Mitt #Romney, Pamela Geller, EDL’s Tommy Robinson, Robert Spencer and John Bolton

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• Exhibit A: Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney with hate group leader Pamela Geller

Mitt Romney and Pamela Geller

About Pamela Geller:

Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement’s most visible and flamboyant figurehead. She’s relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims, such as that President Obama is the “love child” of Malcolm X. She makes no pretense of being learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to her Stop Islamization of America partner Robert Spencer. Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps. She has taken a strong pro-Israel stance to the point of being sharply critical of Jewish liberals.

Continues.

• Exhibit B: EDL’s Tommy Robinson, Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller

Tommy Robinson, Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and Pamela Geller

About Tommy Robinson:

Geller invited the notorious British anti-Muslim group English Defence League (EDL) to her September 2010 anti-mosque rally in New York. The previous May, a report by the British newspaper The Guardian revealed the EDL as thugs who hold anti-Muslim protests intended to provoke violence. Because of its racism and history, the EDL’s leader, Tommy Robinson, was denied entry at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York and sent back to England.

About Robert Spencer:

Proving yet again that nothing is beneath him, anti-Muslim propagandist Robert Spencer has put himself firmly in the camp of open white nationalists with an article published yesterday in Crisis magazine, a conservative Catholic publication. Replete with fawning references to the superior accomplishments of Western culture and the Catholic Church, the piece, titled ‘Is Multiculturalism Evil?,’ proposes that Western civilization is superior to all others and that multiculturalists (aligned with ‘Islamic supremacists’) are colluding to bring it to its knees.

• Exhibit C: Mitt Romney Campaign Senior Foreign Policy Adviser John Bolton and Pamela Geller

Romney foreign policy adviser with hate group leader Pamela Geller in numerous meetings.

About John Bolton:

John Robert Bolton (born November 20, 1948) is an American lawyer and diplomat who has served in several Republican administrations. Appointed on a recess appointment, he served as the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 until December 2006. He resigned in December 2006, when the recess appointment would have otherwise ended, because he was unlikely to win senate confirmation.

John Bolton and Mitt Romney

Bolton is currently a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), frequent op-ed contributor to the Wall Street Journal and the National Review, Fox News Channel commentator, foreign policy adviser to 2012 presidential candidate Mitt Romney, and of counsel to the law firm Kirkland & Ellis, in their Washington D.C. office…

The reader should be reminded of the connection between Anders Breivik and Pamela Geller. There is also a connection between Anders Brevik and Robert Spencer. Tommy Robinson’s hooliganism and right-wing extremism is notorious and too extensive to cover here. You can however find many articles covering his organization, the English Defence League, which has been covered extensively at LGF including his connection to Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer.

There is no vast conspiracy at play here. However, it should be disturbing enough that the senior foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, John Bolton, has the ear of anti-Islam extremist, Pamela Geller. Her connection with the EDL makes this plainly obvious. This my friends is the post-modern conservative movement, where we find odious characters in the Republican big tent whose lives are intertwined; in this case from Mitt Romney to Pamela Geller; Tommy Robinson (EDL), Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller; and most importantly, the close relationship of John Bolton and Pamela Geller.

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414 comments
1 researchok  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:31:41pm

I'd like to think this were really only about stupid politicians glad handing, photo ops, etc.

Unfortunately while there is certainly some of that, the real story is about bad judgement- if not by Romney himself then by the people around him who advise him.

Bad, bad judgement.

Obama had his Tony Rezko moments but he also had enough sense to head for the hills when it hit the fan and not look back

Romney seems to be doubling down.

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:33:36pm

Mitt Romney's supposed moderation is mostly a mask. If you look at the people he associates with and who help form his thinking, he's about as extreme as it gets. W. Cleon Skousen. Glenn Beck. John Bolton. Kris Kobach. It's like a who's who of the radical right.

I doubt Pamela Geller has any particular influence with Romney, but there's a reason why she's hyping him -- because when Romney starts talking about Muslims and Islam he's pretty hard to tell apart from Geller or Spencer.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:43:34pm

Gus gets the promo again!

4 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:46:47pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Gus gets the promo again!

Thanks. It's the 6 degrees of separation! Kind of scary if you think about it. Romney is bucking to be well to the right of W.

Twitter is currently showing up as over capacity on my end.

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:49:46pm

re: #4 Gus

Thanks. It's the 6 degrees of separation! Kind of scary if you think about it. Romney is bucking to be well to the right of W.

Twitter is currently showing up as over capacity on my end.

Tweetdeck's still working.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:50:40pm

And our tweet button is working too if you want to post something.

7 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:50:57pm

re: #4 Gus

Excellent—woot!

8 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:50:58pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Tweetdeck's still working.

It's acting strange. It'll sometimes let me in but if I click on @connect it always bugs out.

9 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:51:23pm

Looks like it's just Twitter's web interface at this point. I get "Something is technically wrong," which is a lot less charming than the old fail whale.

10 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:51:38pm

re: #7 CuriousLurker

Excellent—woot!

Surely the Romney campaign will fire Mr. Bolton tomorrow!

//

11 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:52:58pm

re: #10 Gus

Surely the Romney campaign will fire Mr. Bolton tomorrow!

//

But of course! //

12 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:54:11pm

re: #11 CuriousLurker

But of course! //

Moderate Mitt!

//

13 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:54:40pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Looks like it's just Twitter's web interface at this point. I get "Something is technically wrong," which is a lot less charming than the old fail whale.

I get whale...

Image: Fail_Whale.JPG

14 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:55:04pm

Twitter web just came back on for me.

15 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:57:46pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Twitter web just came back on for me.

Still sputtering here. I got two Tweets on this out already. Don't want to set up Tweetdeck yet since I misplaced my stalker list and I'm never in the mood to see even one Tweet from the weirdos.

16 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:58:53pm

Great page Gus! Congrads!
You know when I first arrived here on the scene I didn't know Geller until Charles started posting about who her peeps were..Very disturbing about the venom of bigotry she has. Her marching about the mosque in NY sealed it for me. What if Baptists fell out of favor here in the USA? Could we ban their rights to practice religion? We as Americans all have the protections of the Constitution or none at all.

17 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:01:48pm

re: #16 Digital Display

Great page Gus! Congrads!
You know when I first arrived here on the scene I didn't know Geller until Charles started posting about who her peeps were..Very disturbing about the venom of bigotry she has. Her marching about the mosque in NY sealed it for me. What if Baptists fell out of favor here in the USA? Could we ban their rights to practice religion? We as Americans all have the protections of the Constitution or none at all.

She's been dialed to eleventy for over 10 years now.

18 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:02:20pm

There is just no end of reasons never to vote for Romney. I seem to discover a new one every day or two and by now I've entirely lost track of how many thousands there must be.

19 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:04:26pm

The unfortunate part is, that I doubt that a large portion of voters have no idea about who these people are, and what they represent.

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:05:02pm

Pamela Geller's last comments at LGF were in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Her username was "ATLASSHRUGGED". All caps, of course.

21 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:06:08pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Mitt Romney's supposed moderation is mostly a mask. If you look at the people he associates with and who help form his thinking, he's about as extreme as it gets. W. Cleon Skousen. Glenn Beck. John Bolton. Kris Kobach. It's like a who's who of the radical right.

I doubt Pamela Geller has any particular influence with Romney, but there's a reason why she's hyping him -- because when Romney starts talking about Muslims and Islam he's pretty hard to tell apart from Geller or Spencer.

I disagree. I think he's just doing what he needs to do to further build his cred with the far right. I really believe Romney is pretty much just following instructions from his campaign team on where to go, when to go there, who to photo op with, etc. I can't fully explain why but he strikes me as a man who has a hard time thinking for himself in certain situations.

22 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:06:36pm

From Barthnotes:

WND Still Promoting Debunked “Obama Wears Muslim Ring” Conspiracy

...Also more or less on board was Andrew Bostom, who declared that Corsi’s and Gabriel’s evidence “appear to be” sound, as was Pamela Geller:

She said Obama’s “anti-freedom, pro-jihad foreign policy has given the global jihad a new lease on death, and clearly he is happy about that, as this ring indicates.”

Robert Spencer, meanwhile, was slightly more cautious:

[Spencer] said that should the ring on Obama’s finger prove to include an inscription of an Islamic prayer, it could explain his foreign policy attitudes and actions regarding freedom in the Middle East.

...

UPDATE: I wasn’t aware of just how deeply Geller invested in this. On Wednesday 10 October, she wrote:

I’d like to see one member of the press corps ask Obama about this. It certainly jives with Obama’s islamophilia and his pro-sharia foreign policies, and with his extensive Muslim background, as detailed in my book, The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America.

The implications of Obama’s ring aside, the level of his dishonesy is breathtaking. Jerome Corsi over at WND has this blockbuster story.

That entry in her Atlas Shrugs blog has now been deleted – and, as expected, she has felt no need to offer her audience either an apology or an explanation. Robert Spencer behaves in the same way (see here and here for two examples). I’ll repeat what I’ve said before: any blogger dealing in current affairs is likely to make a mistake from time to time; but what separates a serious person from a charlatan or demagogue is how one attempts to put a mistake right (H/T The American Muslim).

23 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:09:42pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's last comments at LGF were in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Her username was "ATLASSHRUGGED". All caps, of course.

Crazy thread. I don't miss those days. At all.

24 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:10:43pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The sense of derangement and betrayal in that comment thread is almost palpable. Suddenly realizing I was dead serious about not associating with Sweden Democrats or Vlaams Belang or any of the neo-fascist right wing Europeans.

And I remain dead serious about that.

25 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:14:43pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's last comments at LGF were in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Her username was "ATLASSHRUGGED". All caps, of course.

Wow, there are very few survivors from that thread.

26 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:15:10pm

re: #22 Gus

From Barthnotes:

WND Still Promoting Debunked “Obama Wears Muslim Ring” Conspiracy

Farah wants to make sure to not leave any money on the table.

27 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:19:00pm

re: #22 Gus

From Barthnotes:

WND Still Promoting Debunked “Obama Wears Muslim Ring” Conspiracy

Robert Spencer, meanwhile, was slightly more cautious:

...

UPDATE: I wasn’t aware of just how deeply Geller invested in this. On Wednesday 10 October, she wrote:

That entry in her Atlas Shrugs blog has now been deleted – and, as expected, she has felt no need to offer her audience either an apology or an explanation. Robert Spencer behaves in the same way (see here and here for two examples). I’ll repeat what I’ve said before: any blogger dealing in current affairs is likely to make a mistake from time to time; but what separates a serious person from a charlatan or demagogue is how one attempts to put a mistake right (H/T The American Muslim).

Are there any rings that DO have Muslim sayings on them, that are actually worn by actual Muslims? I tried Googling but only came up with this WND crap.

28 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:22:16pm

It's a trifecta of insanity!

29 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:22:24pm

re: #27 Sheila Broflovski

Are there any rings that DO have Muslim sayings on them, that are actually worn by actual Muslims? I tried Googling but only came up with this WND crap.

I just tried Islamic rings and came up with a bunch. WND is in there a few times.

30 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:22:28pm

At creationism museum, visitors exhibit strong faith in Romney

[...]


Mr. McGonigal, a Baptist from Pennsylvania, says that his belief very much colours his voting preferences. “It’s important that our leaders adhere to biblical principles,” he said. “That’s the only way they can be moral men.”

For him, that means voting for Mitt Romney.

“But does the fact that Mr. Romney is a Mormon trouble you?” I asked him, referring to the candidate’s faith in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

“Yes, it does trouble me,” he replied. “I wish he had accepted Jesus Christ as his saviour.” (Mormons believe that Jesus was a teacher whose exemplary behaviour should be followed, but that later prophets and writings, such as the 19 th– century Book of Mormon, also offer truths to be followed.)

“But I believe that his beliefs align more with the Bible than [Barack] Obama’s do,” Mr. McGonigal said. “That’s good enough for me.”

[...]

31 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:23:27pm

OT: Speaking of vicious hate and miserable excuses for humanity, please report this disgusting facebook page as hate speech (the closet category to what it is that I could find on their canned options list):

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Nasty little filth-buckets are gloating about 15-year-old Amanda Todd's suicide and also posting what appear to be creepshots of underage boys and girls.

(h/t ausador for pointing it out on this page)

32 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:23:35pm

Muslim hate group leaders, anti-white people groups, a foreign-policy adviser who is clinically a neocon maniac, and one presidential candidate. This would be a good beginning to a "walk into a bar" joke if it wasn't so utterly terrifying. Nice to see Rmoney surrounding himself with some real winners. Only thing scarier than him as president are the legion of half-cocked knuckle-dragging crazies he's going to appoint to various cabinet positions.

Nice work again Gus.

33 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:24:27pm

re: #27 Sheila Broflovski

Are there any rings that DO have Muslim sayings on them, that are actually worn by actual Muslims? I tried Googling but only came up with this WND crap.

This one is better...

That's under "shopping."

34 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:24:41pm

But when do we finally get to Kevin Bacon?

35 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:24:53pm

re: #27 Sheila Broflovski

There's a long history of Berber jewelry in NW Africa. Perhaps you could find something there.

The use of gold rings has been relatively more popular in South Asia, compared to say Europe, for a while, so there may be something there.

36 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:26:09pm

re: #23 Gus

Crazy thread. I don't miss those days. At all.

Neither do I. In a way I'm grateful to Geller and Spencer for trying to build an alliance with the fucking worst political elements of Europe. It was the first big step away from their dead-end bigoted agenda for me, when I really *got* what they were doing.

37 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:26:59pm

re: #30 freetoken

At creationism museum, visitors exhibit strong faith in Romney

Creationism Museum, Mitt Romney...
That was a man who enjoys being lied to.

38 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:27:46pm

re: #33 Gus

This one is better...

That's under "shopping."

That's pretty distinctive, and look NOTHING like Obama's ring, which is kind of Celtic-looking.

39 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:28:53pm

The really effed up thing politically is that the majority of Muslims are fairly socially conservative and therefore a natural, built-in constituency for the GOP.

President G.W. Bush knew that and tried to reach out, then we got thrown under the bus (and they backed up and drove over us again repeatedly for good measure). They've also alienated Blacks, Hispanics, women, young people, and any middle class people with two brain cells to rub together. They drove everyone straight into the arms of the Dems.

The U.S. Muslim population is still fairly small, but it's expected to double to around 6.2 million by 2030. I think it's safe to say the vast majority will be joining the others in pulling the "D" lever in elections for the foreseeable future.

Way to go, GOP! Keep doubling down and pretending that demographics don't matter.

40 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:29:12pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The sense of derangement and betrayal in that comment thread is almost palpable. Suddenly realizing I was dead serious about not associating with Sweden Democrats or Vlaams Belang or any of the neo-fascist right wing Europeans.

And I remain dead serious about that.

What was all the re: stuff on that thread.

41 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:31:25pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

OT: Speaking of vicious hate and miserable excuses for humanity, please report this disgusting facebook page as hate speech (the closet category to what it is that I could find on their canned options list):

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Nasty little filth-buckets are gloating about 15-year-old Amanda Todd's suicide and also posting what appear to be creepshots of underage boys and girls.

Done.

42 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:32:22pm

New web server is now being unboxed.

43 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:33:31pm

Wouldn't having "Allah" on a ring be frowned upon?

44 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:34:15pm

re: #27 Sheila Broflovski

re: #33 Gus

Yeah, there are rings. Men aren't supposed to wear gold though (or silk).

Oh, and Muslims don't wear wedding rings. I mean some probably do now because it's tradition here, but it not an Islamic tradition (for men or women).

45 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:36:02pm

re: #23 Gus

Crazy thread. I don't miss those days. At all.

Pam says that the bad old Nazis were inspired by Muslims
Pam supports good new Nazis because they are anti-Muslim
Makes total sense...NOT!

46 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:36:10pm

re: #44 CuriousLurker

re: #33 Gus

Yeah, there are rings. Men aren't supposed to wear gold though (or silk).

Oh, and Muslims don't wear wedding rings. I mean some probably do now because it's tradition here, but it not an Islamic tradition (for men or women).

It's just amazing how wingnuts just make stuff up out of thin air.

47 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:36:25pm

re: #43 Gus

Wouldn't having "Allah" on a ring be frowned upon?

Yeah, it's kinda iffy since you'd have to take it off when going into the bathroom or handling anything ritually impure. Or at least you should.

48 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:36:33pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

New web server is now being unboxed.

Specs? (for all us techno geeks)

49 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:38:01pm

re: #30 freetoken

At creationism museum, visitors exhibit strong faith in Romney

Wow. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Mr. McGonigal believes that Jesus is Lord above all else, so he's voting for the guy who doesn't believe that because that's the Biblical thing to do.

Ow. I broke something in my parietal lobe.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:38:30pm

re: #48 Gangnam Style

Specs? (for all us techno geeks)

I don't have final specs yet, but it's supposed to be the same dual quad w/HT setup as the database server.

51 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:40:05pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I don't have final specs yet, but it's supposed to be the same dual quad w/HT setup as the database server.

Are you running your own web server? I thought the hosting company did that. I get a little fuzzy on how the high end stuff works at times.

52 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:40:11pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I don't have final specs yet, but it's supposed to be the same dual quad w/HT setup as the database server.

Intel Xeon?

53 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:42:36pm

re: #46 Gus

It's just amazing how wingnuts just make stuff up out of thin air.

[Link: tinyfrog.files.wordpress.com...]

54 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:43:28pm

re: #51 Mattand

Hosting Matters deals with server management, and they're great. I just ask a lot of questions.

55 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:43:32pm

re: #51 Mattand

Are you running your own web server? I thought the hosting company did that. I get a little fuzzy on how the high end stuff works at times.

From the info Charles has given, the web server is the hosting company's.

56 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:43:48pm
57 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #52 Gangnam Style

Intel Xeon?

The hottest blade servers are Hitachi Blades.. Pricey but HP blades run about 24 VM's. Hitachi is 32 and the new blade rocks the world this year.

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:44:38pm

re: #52 Gangnam Style

Intel Xeon?

Indeed.

59 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:46:19pm

Kind of big and manly man rings.

60 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:47:28pm

re: #57 Digital Display

Hello You!

61 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:47:28pm

re: #57 Digital Display

The hottest blade servers are Hitachi Blades.. Pricey but HP blades run about 24 VM's. Hitachi is 32 and the new blade rocks the world this year.

VMWare?

62 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:49:07pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

re: #55 Gangnam Style

Thanks for the info. It sounded like Charles was actually unboxing the server himself.

I'm pretty good with Mac and consumer grade items, but the high end stuff is still new to me.

63 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:49:19pm

re: #56 Gus

ring allah on ebay.

Gold plated... I think Allah would be insulted.

64 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:50:48pm

re: #33 Gus

This one is better...

That's under "shopping."

thanks for reminding me to update the "Jewish Rings" page at the Zionist Mall. It was pretty out of date and some of the products are no longer available.

65 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:51:39pm

I find it hard to accept anyone would actually shop for jewelry on eBay, much less "Allah" jewelry.

66 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:51:55pm

Obama weighs in on Nicki Minaj, Mariah Carey’s ‘American Idol’ feud: ‘I think they are going to be able to sort it out’

President Obama thinks feuding “American Idol” judges Mariah Carey and Nicki Minaj will work it out.

“I think they are going to be able to sort it out, I am confident. I am all about bringing people together, working for the same cause,” the commander in chief told Miami radio host Michael Yo.

“I think both are outstanding artists and they are going to be able to make sure they’re moving forward and not going backwards.”

Obama added that he’s met Carey, “And she’s a wonderful lady. Nicki I don’t know, but I’ve got her on my iPod.”

67 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:52:30pm

re: #65 freetoken

I find it hard to accept anyone would actually shop for jewelry on eBay, much less "Allah" jewelry.

This one is pretty cool.

68 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:53:24pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

New web server is now being unboxed.

What kind of wrapping paper?
;)

69 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:53:28pm

re: #67 Gus

It it's real.

70 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:54:03pm

re: #69 freetoken

It it's real.

It's just 65 bucks so I would assume it's not "real." :)

71 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:54:12pm

re: #69 freetoken

It it's real.

Of course it's real!
Wouldn't be on the internet otherwise!

72 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:54:33pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it's kinda iffy since you'd have to take it off when going into the bathroom or handling anything ritually impure. Or at least you should.

The same rule would also apply to Hebrew rings that have holy names engraved on them, I never even thought about that. Kabbalah jewelry loaded with holy names is a fashion item, ya know, all the celebrities, like Madonna and Ashton and Brittney, have 'em.

73 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:55:18pm

re: #67 Gus

This one is pretty cool.

The hairy fingers are gross.

74 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:55:39pm

re: #62 Mattand

re: #55 Gangnam Style

Thanks for the info. It sounded like Charles was actually unboxing the server himself.

I'm pretty good with Mac and consumer grade items, but the high end stuff is still new to me.

I build Linux servers using high end consumer hardware rather than server hardware because of the cost and none of my customers need hyper-reliability or error checking.

75 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:56:39pm

re: #68 Varek Raith

What kind of wrapping paper?
;)

Green.

76 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:57:52pm

re: #69 freetoken

It it's real.

Looks awful thin. I suspect bent stamped metal.

77 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:58:55pm

re: #73 Sheila Broflovski

The hairy fingers are gross.

Now we're supposed to shave our fingers?

78 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:59:49pm

re: #76 Gangnam Style

Looks awful thin. I suspect bent stamped metal.

Yeah. Something Yngwie Malmsteen would wear.

//

79 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:00:00pm

re: #67 Gus

This one is pretty cool.

Nice. Could be a short Qur'an verse. I can't read it easily when it's calligraphy and the letters are on top of each other and/or have fancy flourishes. There are a dizzying number of different styles.

80 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:00:04pm

re: #61 Gangnam Style

VMWare?

Here is a little down low skinny.. Everybody uses VMware on their blades.. Problem is Hitachi biggest competitor EMC bought VMware.. So I think they will drop a couple billion to buy a programming company to develope a new VM program to drive the new blades..The best in the world. They are blowing companies away with new SAN's and blades. They will be the most powerful cloud in the world soon..

81 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:01:13pm

That's OK, it's just a new web server, the night before what's possibly the most important debate Barack Obama will ever have. I'm fine. Not tense at all.

82 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:02:04pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

Nice. Could be a short Qur'an verse. I can't read it easily when it's calligraphy and the letters are on top of each other and/or have fancy flourishes. There are a dizzying number of different styles.

Better not let Louie Gohmert see that search.

//

83 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:03:17pm

re: #70 Gus

It's just 65 bucks so I would assume it's not "real." :)

Yeah, the quality's not exactly the best. The concept is cool though.

84 danarchy  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:04:04pm

re: #80 Digital Display

Here is a little down low skinny.. Everybody uses VMware on their blades.. Problem is Hitachi biggest competitor EMC bought VMware.. So I think they will drop a couple billion to buy a programming company to develope a new VM program to drive the new blades..The best in the world. They are blowing companies away with new SAN's and blades. They will be the most powerful cloud in the world soon..

Seems it would make more sense to partner with citrix or microsoft and work with them to improve xen or hyperV than to develop from scratch.

85 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:04:28pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Yeah, the quality's not exactly the best. The concept is cool though.

Champagne taste, beer bottle wallet. Struck me as something a rocker or biker would wear.

86 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:04:52pm

My ring has writing on it too!
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

87 dragonath  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:07:59pm

re: #79 CuriousLurker

Having visited a older mosque, the calligraphy was one of my favorite things about it, although, I suppose not many people can read it today (Ottoman Arabic?).

88 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:09:21pm

re: #80 Digital Display

Here is a little down low skinny.. Everybody uses VMware on their blades.. Problem is Hitachi biggest competitor EMC bought VMware.. So I think they will drop a couple billion to buy a programming company to develope a new VM program to drive the new blades..The best in the world. They are blowing companies away with new SAN's and blades. They will be the most powerful cloud in the world soon..

I kind of assumed. I keep hoping KVM and XEN will make inroads into the commercial market, and Virtualbox is advancing quickly.

89 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:10:00pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

That's OK, it's just a new web server, the night before what's possibly the most important debate Barack Obama will ever have. I'm fine. Not tense at all.

So I assume there will be a blackout. ETA on that?

90 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:10:10pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

My ring has writing on it too!
[Link: upload.wikimedia.org...]

I thought that got thrown into a volcano.

91 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:10:38pm

re: #85 Gus

Champagne taste, beer bottle wallet. Struck me as something a rocker or biker would wear.

*tries to picture Afghan biker/rocker...head explodes* LOL

Okay, maybe an Afghan Sufi. He might even have a verse of poetry inscribed on it. ;)

92 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:10:42pm

Well, off to bed.
Very tired. re: #90 Gangnam Style

I thought that got thrown into a volcano.

Yep. Sure did!
*whistles innocently*

93 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:11:59pm

re: #91 CuriousLurker

*tries to picture Afghan biker/rocker...head explodes* LOL

Okay, maybe an Afghan Sufi. He might even have a verse of poetry inscribed on it. ;)

Maybe in a couple of years...

Image: pic_3_video_embed.jpg

94 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:13:13pm

re: #84 danarchy

Seems it would make more sense to partner with citrix or microsoft and work with them to improve xen or hyperV than to develop from scratch.

Hitachi has a close partnership with just about everybody. They developed an open source solution for all O/S's. So in your data center the SAN's can work transparency with all servers. They are the future of technology

95 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:13:21pm

Hillary cutting Romney off on Libya, and spelling it out very slowly so the Republicans can understand it:

I'm in charge of the State Department's 60,000-plus people all over the world (at) 275 posts. The president and the vice president wouldn't be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. They're the ones who weigh all of the threats and the risks and the needs and make a considered decision."

96 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:15:10pm

re: #89 Gus

So I assume there will be a blackout. ETA on that?

If things are done in the right order, we shouldn't see much of a transition. In this case they aren't trying to replace a dead system so they can configure the new one while using the old one.

97 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:16:28pm

re: #87 dragonath

Having visited a older mosque, the calligraphy was one of my favorite things about it, although, I suppose not many people can read it today (Ottoman Arabic?).

Yeah, even people who can read & write Arabic can't read it, especially the really elaborate stuff. The only people I've met who can are those that have studied calligraphy some. Even then, some of it would require a professional calligrapher to decipher.

Along with the repeating geometric patterns & stylized arabesques of things from nature, calligraphy & manuscript illumination are at the top of my list of favorite things. I love any kind of calligraphy--Western, Asian, Islamic, you name it.

98 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:21:04pm

re: #94 Digital Display

Hitachi has a close partnership with just about everybody. They developed an open source solution for all O/S's. So in your data center the SAN's can work transparency with all servers. They are the future of technology

They'll have to deal with the loss of VSphere, but with today's hardware running on Linux in a Xen Dom0 or using KVM isn't much of a disadvantage.

99 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:23:43pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

Yeah, even people who can read & write Arabic can't read it, especially the really elaborate stuff. The only people I've met who can are those that have studied calligraphy some. Even then, some of it would require a professional calligrapher to decipher.

Along with the repeating geometric patterns & stylized arabesques of things from nature, calligraphy & manuscript illumination are at the top of my list of favorite things. I love any kind of calligraphy--Western, Asian, Islamic, you name it.

I used to do calligraphy. Practiced several styles. Learned how to improvise and create my own styles. Would use if on survey drawings for the street names.

100 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:24:32pm

re: #87 dragonath

Speaking of calligraphy & illumination, the BBC documentary below, Illuminations: Treasures of the Middle Ages, is fantastic. I watched it a couple of months ago and am frankly quite surprised it's still available.

101 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:25:54pm

re: #99 Gus

I used to do calligraphy. Practiced several styles. Learned how to improvise and create my own styles. Would use if on survey drawings for the street names.

Nice! I try to practice sometimes, but it requires a LOT of patience, which I'm often short on, heh.

102 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:26:19pm

re: #99 Gus

I used to do calligraphy. Practiced several styles. Learned how to improvise and create my own styles. Would use if on survey drawings for the street names.

I can barely print legibly. The computer has made my life much easier.

103 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:27:00pm

re: #102 Gangnam Style

I can barely print legibly. The computer has made my life much easier.

Can you read your own hand writing?

//

104 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:27:23pm

re: #103 Gus

Can you read your own hand writing?

//

Not always.

105 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:27:24pm

re: #96 Gangnam Style

If things are done in the right order, we shouldn't see much of a transition. In this case they aren't trying to replace a dead system so they can configure the new one while using the old one.

Right, we don't have a server failing in midstream, so there's no need to put the whole site in maintenance mode. In theory we should be able to set up the new box, copy everything over, and jam.

The actual process of moving things over is a lot simpler than with the database. No data needs to be imported -- just files copied.

106 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:28:34pm

re: #98 Gangnam Style

They'll have to deal with the loss of VSphere, but with today's hardware running on Linux in a Xen Dom0 or using KVM isn't much of a disadvantage.

Watch out for Hitachi.. They have the hardware and software to be the most powerful cloud and solution this year. When Oracle bought Sunmicro they blew both off..We don't need you. You need us.
And they are right..

107 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:30:47pm

Twitter: Users may be experiencing issues accessing Twitter, 'engineers are currently working to resolve the issue'

twitter engineers tweaking the tweet engine

108 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:31:22pm

Had to be a poe, and a very successful one apparently...since it got picked up by HuffPo. (06/18/2012)

So an Ohio man sent in a letter to the editor...

Ohio Man Demands State Revoke 'Bisexual' Buckeye's Status As State Tree

“The buckeye is our state tree and most of us gladly wear the nickname, "buckeyes." But it is shameful and unacceptable that a bisexual tree should represent us! We are flaunting the Holy Bible!

I urge everyone to contact their state representative and demand legislation removing the buckeye as our state tree and condemning the use of the term "buckeye" as a nickname for residents of Ohio.”

In the article it explains of the Buckeye tree that "it bears male, female and bisexual flowers on the same tree."

Sigh...please let it be a poe...

109 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:31:27pm

re: #104 Gangnam Style

Not always.

One of the worst things about handwriting is watching your mother's or father's handwriting over the years.

110 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:32:45pm

re: #107 engineer cat

Twitter: Users may be experiencing issues accessing Twitter, 'engineers are currently working to resolve the issue'

twitter engineers tweaking the tweet engine

Frikkin engineers are always breaking something so they have something to fix. In other words, the fix is in.

111 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:32:47pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller's last comments at LGF were in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Her username was "ATLASSHRUGGED". All caps, of course.

re: #23 Gus

Crazy thread. I don't miss those days. At all.

re: #24 Charles Johnson

The sense of derangement and betrayal in that comment thread is almost palpable. Suddenly realizing I was dead serious about not associating with Sweden Democrats or Vlaams Belang or any of the neo-fascist right wing Europeans.

And I remain dead serious about that.

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Neither do I. In a way I'm grateful to Geller and Spencer for trying to build an alliance with the fucking worst political elements of Europe. It was the first big step away from their dead-end bigoted agenda for me, when I really *got* what they were doing.

Man, talk about a trip in the Fucked-Up Wayback Machine; there's only a few Lizards that posted in that thread, besides Charles, that are still active or haven't been given the stick (KT, Mich-again, Randall Gross, Pawn of the Oppressor). Hell, I was only registered for a few months by the time of that thread, but I was still mostly lurking at that point.

BTW, I didn't know that Sharmuta got the stick; I thought they just went on hiatus and didn't come back.

112 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:32:51pm

HuffPo

huff or po? pick one but not both

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:32:59pm
114 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:33:52pm

Hi Floral! Always nice seeing you here.

115 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:34:12pm

Tarantino produced a martial arts movie with Russel Crowe and Lucy Liu and no one told me about it?

116 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:34:20pm

re: #109 Gus

One of the worst things about handwriting is watching your mother's or father's handwriting over the years.

I haven't noticed.

117 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:34:51pm

re: #116 Gangnam Style

I haven't noticed.

I have.

118 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:35:50pm

I've also used this...

Image: K_E_LEROY-14-450x204.jpg

119 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:36:28pm

Woohoo! Although this went on into the 80s...

[Link: www.patrickkerr.com...]

120 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:36:46pm

re: #118 Gus

I've also used this...

Image: K_E_LEROY-14-450x204.jpg

are those the rulers of the known universe?

121 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:37:54pm

re: #120 engineer cat

are those the rulers of the known universe?

For lettering. It was called LeRoy lettering.

Image: ke_leroy-1970-p03.gif

One. Letter. At. A. Time.

122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:38:43pm

VOCABULARY WORD FOR THE DAY:

BOFFIN: A boffin is a stock character in United Kingdom culture: a scientist, engineer, or other person engaged in technical or scientific research. The original World War II conception of war-winning researchers means that the character tends to have a more positive aspect than related characterisations.[1]

123 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:39:59pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Speaking of calligraphy & illumination, the BBC documentary below, Illuminations: Treasures of the Middle Ages, is fantastic. I watched it a couple of months ago and am frankly quite surprised it's still available.

[Embedded content]

Reminds me of Connections.

124 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:40:27pm

re: #108 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

“The buckeye is our state tree and most of us gladly wear the nickname, "buckeyes." But it is shameful and unacceptable that a bisexual tree should represent us! We are flaunting the Holy Bible!

I would have thought he meant "flouting", but upon reflection, perhaps he really did mean "flaunting".

126 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:40:58pm

re: #120 engineer cat

Heck, I still have one of those somewhere...

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:44:33pm

Greta is running a segment questioning if the War on Women exists or ever existed.

I have some words for her.

128 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:44:38pm

re: #126 calochortus

Heck, I still have one of those somewhere...

One. Letter. At. A. Time.

129 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:48:01pm

re: #128 Gus

But it did make for beautifully even text. Slow, beautifully even text.

130 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:48:18pm

re: #127 ggt

Greta is running a segment questioning if the War on Women exists or ever existed.

I have some words for her.

See #125. Women didn't just magically get to their professional positions today. Many men were literally forced to change their attitudes about women in "traditional" male roles. It wasn't done voluntarily in many cases. In one sense, that military has been good for that not only for women but blacks, etc. There's more to this obviously. There are also people that would want to go back.

131 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:50:41pm

Somehow, TPM's PollTracker currently has Romney winning Iowa (by 0.1%).....even though there's only one poll there from the last month that has Romney winning...and it's a poll sponsored by the Iowa Republican Party.

Yeah, that makes sense. :P

132 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:50:47pm

re: #125 Gus

Impressive!

133 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:51:04pm

BTW. I think George McGovern was transferred to hospice care today.

134 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:52:29pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

Impressive!

COLONEL JEANNIE M. LEAVITT

135 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:55:41pm

Now we're seeing the right-wings next pathetic attempt to reverse the "War on Women" tag:

(In case anyone is just going to say "Jennifer Rubin is simply incredibly stupid" yes, I know that....but I saw at least one other prominent wingnut going with this idea).

They're "making" the woman take responsibility for.....the Department she is in charge of!!!!! See, they're the ones with the War on Women! Forget about how we don't think women should make their own medical decisions!!!!

136 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:57:52pm

re: #134 Gus

Looks like your Page got the stalkers all worked up, Gus.

137 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:57:59pm

re: #132 CuriousLurker

Impressive!

Happened because of President William Jefferson Clinton... 1991

The wingnuts are still complaining.

Listen to Rush Limbaugh any day.

So yeah. What war on women?

138 prairiefire  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:58:29pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

That's OK, it's just a new web server, the night before what's possibly the most important debate Barack Obama will ever have. I'm fine. Not tense at all.

Hang in there, Boss.

139 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:58:49pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Looks like your Page got the stalkers all worked up, Gus.

I figured that. Heh. Well. By tomorrow I will have forgotten about Ms. Geller. In fact I already have. Tomorrow? They will not have forgotten me.

140 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:02:48pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

Looks like your Page got the stalkers all worked up, Gus.

Tell them to write to the SPLCenter and Glenn Greenwald.

141 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:04:06pm

Game changer!

//

142 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:04:39pm
143 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:08:55pm

re: #124 calochortus

I would have thought he meant "flouting", but upon reflection, perhaps he really did mean "flaunting".

"I don't give a damn if he's foundering or floundering, the point is, the man is going under the water for keeps!"

144 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:09:29pm

I didn't call Geller a fascist. I didn't say she was a totalitarian. Or that she comes from a mindset of a historical European fascist ideology -- Stalin, Hitler or Mao. I don't ride that way. I said nothing of her religion or her ethnicity. In fact I am my usual polite self. The worst one could feel is the hate. For good reason.

145 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:16:22pm

I'm still pro-drone. I hate the Taliban; even more I hate Al Qaeda. And yes, I believe in the concept of peace through strength. Beyond that I'm pretty much a flaming liberal. Of course there is the free-market stuff.

[Scratches beard.]

[Dobro slide.]

146 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:20:03pm

get we get uri geller to levitate her somewhere?

147 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:20:21pm

re: #145 Gus

I'm still pro-drone. I hate the Taliban; even more I hate Al Qaeda. And yes, I believe in the concept of peace through strength. Beyond that I'm pretty much a flaming liberal. Of course there is the free-market stuff.

[Scratches beard.]

[Dobro slide.]

I certainly wish we could put a Hellfire on those shitheads that tried to kill that 14-year-old Pakistani girl...

148 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:21:14pm

re: #147 MittDoesNotCompute

I certainly wish we could put a Hellfire on those shitheads that tried to kill that 14-year-old Pakistani girl...

Fuck yeah.

149 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:21:29pm

re: #114 Digital Display

Hi Floral! Always nice seeing you here.

Smooch & back atcha! (ahem, you owe me a mail, someday...)

150 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:21:31pm
151 LadyBehir  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:22:35pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

Speaking of calligraphy & illumination, the BBC documentary below, Illuminations: Treasures of the Middle Ages, is fantastic. I watched it a couple of months ago and am frankly quite surprised it's still available.

[Embedded content]

Thank you for posting this. I will have fun exploring this series.

152 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:23:17pm
153 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:24:29pm

re: #152 Gus

[Embedded content]

Such a pretty girl. You don't expect someone who looks like that to have more guts than the average platoon.

154 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:25:25pm

I enjoyed going back and reading through that old thread from back when Gellar flounced. I had Fjordman tagged as a supremacist by then and hated his guts even though he had so many adoring fans. Such a piece of garbage.

155 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:25:53pm

Giants Win!!
And you want to know creepy? Going back in time reading LGF comments..All the deletes on the threads. Remember those days when we would do an over/under on deleted comments? I'll bet Charles was exhausted after that year..It was only 5 simple rules you dumbasses!

156 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:27:09pm

re: #153 SanFranciscoZionist

Such a pretty girl. You don't expect someone who looks like that to have more guts than the average platoon.

She's in a soldiers' hospital in the UK. A very good facility. She's surrounded by fighting men and women.

157 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:30:24pm
158 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:33:31pm

re: #149 Dancing along the light of day

Smooch & back atcha! (ahem, you owe me a mail, someday...)

Hi You! I'm so sorry..life has been crazy.. Call me anytime..I have so much to tell you.. I bought a fucking farm.. Is that insane?

159 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:35:23pm

I can't stay, I"m wiped and must sleep.

Have a great evening all.

Congrats Gus!

160 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:35:27pm

Ha:

161 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:35:59pm

re: #159 ggt

I can't stay, I"m wiped and must sleep.

Have a great evening all.

Congrats Gus!

Thanks! They're all looking for my phone number!

//

Late-er.

162 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:36:34pm

Mongo was a Democrat. :)

163 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:38:59pm

Guess I shouldn't be surprised that the GOP gets what they supposedly want, which is somebody to step forward and offer a mea culpa, and now whine because it wasn't Obama.

164 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:41:27pm

re: #157 Gus

Related:

165 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:41:27pm

My take is that the underlying object in Afghanistan is to provide some kind of stability until the mines are up and running. There are an estimated trillion dollars in reserves of all sorts of precious metals, rare earth metals, lithium, etc.. in Afghanistan. The contracts are being doled out now, mostly the Chinese and Indian mining companies, but even the nations that have no involvement in the mining profits will benefit from lower market prices from the increase in supply from the new mines in Afghanistan. Yeah I wish I could say we are there to provide freedom and protection for the Afghan people from the Taliban, but I think that's too idealistic. There are dozens of other Nations we could go to war with over human rights violations, but we don't. Afghanistan is different.

166 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:41:51pm

re: #145 Gus

I'm still pro-drone. I hate the Taliban; even more I hate Al Qaeda. And yes, I believe in the concept of peace through strength. Beyond that I'm pretty much a flaming liberal. Of course there is the free-market stuff.

[Scratches beard.]

[Dobro slide.]

Just a theory I've been tossing around;

Historically, all military organizations can be broken down into one of 2 basic camps, which I call the warrior and soldier camps.

The warrior camp generally approach combat as a challenge, either physically or spiritually. Their fighting style, goals, and strategy generally revolve around the mythos of a single combatant archetype fighting for his own glory. Examples would include your Celtic tribes, Vikings, American Indians, etc.

The solider camp treats war as a profession. The enemy is a problem to be solved, either by direct or indirect means, by the group. This culture is more likely to engage in "war by other means", such as economic or cultural pressures, but generally tends to have well organized militaries working along side such efforts, such as the Romans, the Ottoman Turks, and the modern US military.

A warrior culture would decry the use of drones as a cowards weapon, a failure to engage the enemy on equal footing. A soldier culture looks at drones as the easiest solution to the problem of dealing with enemy targets in remote locations.

167 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:43:04pm

re: #166 Kragar

I've thought of this. You have to feel the death.

168 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45:36pm

re: #160 Interesting Times

Cheney was the guy who estimated the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would cost $80 billion tops. He was off by a factor of 30, it will be closer to $2.4 trillion and that is just the direct costs, not all the other associated costs.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:46:22pm

re: #166 Kragar

Just a theory I've been tossing around;

Historically, all military organizations can be broken down into one of 2 basic camps, which I call the warrior and soldier camps.

The warrior camp generally approach combat as a challenge, either physically or spiritually. Their fighting style, goals, and strategy generally revolve around the mythos of a single combatant archetype fighting for his own glory. Examples would include your Celtic tribes, Vikings, American Indians, etc.

The solider camp treats war as a profession. The enemy is a problem to be solved, either by direct or indirect means, by the group. This culture is more likely to engage in "war by other means", such as economic or cultural pressures, but generally tends to have well organized militaries working along side such efforts, such as the Romans, the Ottoman Turks, and the modern US military.

A warrior culture would decry the use of drones as a cowards weapon, a failure to engage the enemy on equal footing. A soldier culture looks at drones as the easiest solution to the problem of dealing with enemy targets in remote locations.

It wasn't that the Celts didn't know how to do a shield wall.

It was that they preferred not to.

170 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:47:27pm

re: #151 LadyBehir

Thank you for posting this. I will have fun exploring this series.

My pleasure. There are tons of wonderful documentations on YouTube, it's just a matter of finding them.

171 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:47:28pm

re: #168 Mich-again

Cheney was the guy who estimated the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would cost $80 billion tops. He was off by a factor of 30, it will be closer to $2.4 trillion and that is just the direct costs, not all the other associated costs.

He's also the one who said we'd be greeted as liberators. IIRC he also said the war would be easy and over quickly.

172 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:49:07pm

re: #171 Lidane

He's also the one who said we'd be greeted as liberators. IIRC he also said the war would be easy and over quickly.

He was somewhat right, knocking over the government was a quick and easy matter. Building a new one virtually from scratch? Yeah, that was a much longer affair.

173 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:49:19pm

re: #158 Digital Display

Gotcher phone handy?

174 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:49:50pm

re: #173 Dancing along the light of day

Gotcher phone handy?

Yup!

175 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:55:11pm

re: #172 Targetpractice

He was somewhat right, knocking over the government was a quick and easy matter. Building a new one virtually from scratch? Yeah, that was a much longer affair.

Before the war Ryan C. Crocker and David Petraeus wrote a brief for the Bush administration that spelled out how if the Government in Iraq were to be toppled, it would set off a horrific sectarian war and bring utter chaos in cities and villages throughout Iraq. And then it all unfolded exactly how Crocker and Petraeus told them it would go down in one big giant I TOLD YOU SO. That is probably why Bush promoted them both and why the war eventually turned.

176 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:56:01pm
177 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:56:07pm

re: #175 Mich-again

Before the war Ryan C. Crocker and David Petraeus wrote a brief for the Bush administration that spelled out how if the Government in Iraq were to be toppled, it would set off a horrific sectarian war and bring utter chaos in cities and villages throughout Iraq. And then it all unfolded exactly how Crocker and Petraeus told them it would go down in one big giant I TOLD YOU SO. That is probably why Bush promoted them both and why the war eventually turned.

I could see how that would be very likely.

178 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:57:09pm

Wow.

179 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:59:12pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

I could see how that would be very likely.

You can almost hear Bush saying, allright fellers now you two go fix it while Dick Cheney sat there grimacing.

180 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:02:27pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

It wasn't that the Celts didn't know how to do a shield wall.

It was that they preferred not to.

Exactly, their culture focused on a strong individual ethos in combat, proving ones prowess on the field of battle.

181 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:03:09pm

Correction from my earlier post.. It wasn't Petraeus...

According to the book, Soldier: The Life of Colin Powell by Washington Post reporter Karen DeYoung, as the Bush administration was preparing for war with Iraq in late 2002, then Secretary of State, Colin Powell ordered Crocker and then Special Assistant to the Secretary of State, William Burns to prepare a secret memo examining the risks associated with a U.S. invasion of Iraq. The six-page memo, titled "The Perfect Storm", stated that toppling Saddam Hussein could unleash long-repressed sectarian and ethnic tensions, that the Sunni minority would not easily relinquish power, and that powerful neighbors such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia would try to move in to influence events. It also cautioned that the United States would have to start from scratch building a political and economic system because Iraq's infrastructure was in tatters.

182 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:08:22pm

Trippy. Content warning.

25 dogs attack a cyclist (with subtitles)
Greece

183 jaunte  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:13:41pm

Greetings from a cheap motel on Route 66 in Flagstaff, home of slow internet connection.

184 labman57  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:13:52pm

Talk about weapons of mass delusion.
Throw in Bachmann, Palin, and Cain and you could attain critical mass for a psycho-conspiratorial explosion.

185 jaunte  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:15:26pm

re: #178 Gus

Nice work on the post, Gus.

186 jaunte  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:18:04pm

re: #185 jaunte

Nice work on the post, Gus.

It's like the darkside version of the Kevin Bacon degrees of separation game.

187 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:19:08pm
188 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:19:33pm

re: #186 jaunte

It's like the darkside version of the Kevin Bacon degrees of separation game.

I did say it wasn't a conspiracy, yes.

189 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:20:16pm

Agree with Jaunte...nice work, Gus. Yours will be a name spit with derision from the lips of the right. That's the highest compliment I can think of.

190 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:21:06pm

re: #189 darthstar

Agree with Jaunte...nice work, Gus. Yours will be a name spit with derision from the lips of the right. That's the highest compliment I can think of.

I'm like a one man Gawker.

191 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:26:14pm

Teabaggers might want to rethink their revolution plans.

Gee, whodathunk it? Members of the military don't want the guy who wants to start more wars as President? It's like they don't want to die in pointless battles or something!

192 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:26:21pm
193 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:29:43pm
194 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:30:25pm

re: #193 JamesWI

Scooped ya!

Checking data.

195 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:32:34pm

ROFL. Paul Ryan's fail has even made it to the land of metal heads:

Did Paul Ryan Steal 'Bean' Story From Kurt Cobain? -

Did Republican vice presidential nominee and Tea Party darling Paul Ryan steal the story about his first child being nicknamed "Bean" from NIRVANA's Kurt Cobain? According to The Pulse Of Radio, that was the buzz on Twitter after Ryan told his version of the story during Thursday night's (October 11) debate with current vice president Joe Biden. While dodging a question about his extreme anti-choice views on a woman's right to have an abortion, Ryan related that he and his wife nicknamed their first child, Liza, "Bean" after noticing that she looked like a "bean" when they first saw her at an early stage during an ultrasound exam.

As a number of people on Twitter pointed out, the late Cobain told a similar story while he was alive, even making his daughter Frances' middle name Bean after seeing her on his wife Courtney Love's ultrasound scan. Ryan has stated that he is a big fan of NIRVANA, as well as groups like RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE and TOOL.

196 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:39:14pm

re: #192 Gus

Armed Forces Show Overwhelming Support for Obama

Willard means more war. Obama has brought them home and Willard wants to send them to war somewhere else.

Vote for Romney/Ryan if you want more war planning and less family planning.

197 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:44:47pm

re: #196 moderatelyradicalliberal

Willard means more war. Obama has brought them home and Willard wants to send them to war somewhere else.

Vote for Romney/Ryan if you want more war planning and less family planning.

And keep this in mind. The auto bailouts costed about 1% of the cost for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Had Mitt been in charge we would have skipped the bailouts and spent 1% more on the war.

198 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:28:51am

- 47% remark

- lack of details on closing loopholes

mitt knows he's very likely to be called out on those and he's been prepped with slippery evasions that will seek to turn the tables

199 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:30:30am

pool reporters

that's the problem

too much chlorine in the news

200 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:41:43am

tap tap tap is this thing on?

lizard sleeping potion working very well dr mabuse yesss yesss

201 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:56:37am

The Triumph of the Willard.

Basically, what I fear most is that if he gets elected, he is going to sit back and continue to give content-less speeches on broad policy while the lunatics like Ryan, Bolton, Bachmann and Todd Akin have run of policy and shaping legislation.

I always fall into the Dead Lizard Zone when I go online here in Germany.

202 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:03:07am

re: #201 AK-47%

The triumph of the WIllard.

Basically, what I fear most is that if he gets elected, he is going to sit back and continue to give content-less speeches on broad policy while the lunatics like Ryan, Bolton, Bachmann and Todd Akin have run of policy and shaping legislation.

you can count on it

and we'll see a lot of that clip where grover norquist says that all the next republican president needs to be able to do is to muster enough working digits to grasp a pen and sign their bills

203 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:05:15am

re: #202 engineer cat

you can count on it

and we'll see a lot of that clip where grover norquist says that all the next republican president needs to be able to do is to muster enough working digits to grasp a pen and sign their bills

I think that is why the GOP Base finally relented and accepted Mitt, they know that he will knuckle under to their pressure if they just shout and stamp their feet loud enough.

204 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:08:50am

Morning, all

205 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:10:32am

re: #204 researchok

Morning, all

who did the painting in your icon?

it's cool!

206 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:11:51am

recall that image from somewhere, is it not one of the oldest know human renderings?

207 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:15:38am

re: #205 engineer cat

I forgot the guys name...but it really does suit me given my profession.

208 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:16:22am

re: #206 AK-47%

recall that image from somewhere, is it not one of the oldest know human renderings?

you mean mine?

it's a rendering of a famous paleolithic cave painting known as the wizard of Trois-Frères

209 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:17:26am

re: #207 researchok

I forgot the guys name...but it really does suit me given my profession.

you bind emo rock singers in bales of twine?

210 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:18:14am

re: #209 engineer cat

LOLOL

Close
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I'm a behaviorist (predictive)

211 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:20:39am

re: #209 engineer cat

My office

212 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:21:55am

re: #210 researchok

LOLOL

Close
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I'm a behaviorist (predictive)

ah

i took two semesters of skinnerian psych in kollij

trained my poor little white rat extensively

213 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:24:20am

re: #212 engineer cat

Believe or not, Skinner's work is making a comeback.

I'm a big fan of Rollo May. He had the temerity to endorse the idea actions/behaviors had consequences.

Imagine that.

214 ozbloke  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:26:21am

Astronomers discover planet with four suns.

An international team of amateur and professional astronomers has discovered a planet whose skies are lit up by four suns - the first known case of such a phenomenon.

The planet, located about 5,000 light years from Earth, has been dubbed PH1 in honour of Planet Hunters, a program led by Yale University in the United States, which enlists volunteers to look for signs of new planets.

PH1 is orbiting two suns, and in turn is orbited by a second distant pair of stars. Only six planets are known to orbit two stars, researchers say, and none of those are orbited by other distant stars.

"Circumbinary planets are the extremes of planet formation," said Yale's Meg Schwamb, lead author of a paper presented at the annual meeting of the Division for Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in Nevada.

"The discovery of these systems is forcing us to go back to the drawing board to understand how such planets can assemble and evolve in these dynamically challenging environments."

US citizen scientists and Planet Hunters participants Kian Jek and Robert Gagliano were the first to identify PH1. Their observations were then confirmed by a team of US and British researchers working in Hawaii.

PH1 is a gas giant with a radius about 6.2 times that of Earth, making it slightly larger than Neptune.

It orbits a pair of eclipsing stars that are 1.5 and 0.41 times the mass of the Sun roughly every 138 days.

More...

215 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:10am

We grew up in this odd generatio that though that "freedom" meant freedom from any and all responsibility.

But true freedom means taking responsiblity for every damn thing you do, since if you are free, nobody is forcing you to do anything against your will.

216 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:36am

re: #214 ozbloke

No need to get up early to watch a sunrise.
/

217 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:28:07am

re: #216 researchok

No need to get up early to watch a sunrise.
/

Must have some hellacious tides

218 ozbloke  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:29:12am

re: #216 researchok

No need to get up early to watch a sunrise.
/

Yay for those who make sunscreen.
Boo to those who make curtains that fade.

219 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:30:36am

re: #215 AK-47%

There are a whole lot of people who avoid responsibility by claiming individual 'rights'.

On a more serious note, that is one reason why politics has become so divisive.

Religious people claim everything they want as a 'right' and non religious people insist on lesser or no 'rights' for people of faith.

And there is everything in between.

220 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:38:46am

I see your "natual rights" being limited only at the point where they interfere with others' rights, which shapes my views on gay marriage and drug use.

221 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:40:08am

re: #214 ozbloke

PH1 is a gas giant

i'm getting bored with politicians

222 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:41:22am

re: #220 AK-47%

No argument here.

I'm a long time supporter of gay marriage. Anything that strengthens society is a good thing.

As for drugs, I believe regulation/taxation (like booze) is in order, at least for softer drugs like pot, hash, etc.

The stronger stuff is more problematic for me.

223 researchok  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:41:47am

re: #221 engineer cat

Get to the back of the line.

224 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:50:58am

re: #222 researchok

No argument here.

I'm a long time supporter of gay marriage. Anything that strengthens society is a good thing.

As for drugs, I believe regulation/taxation (like booze) is in order, at least for softer drugs like pot, hash, etc.

The stronger stuff is more problematic for me.

This is the crux of the recent debate on health insurance and birth control: churches & religious groups have the right to continue to denounce it as immoral, but we are not infringing on their "rights" by making them obey the law in providing it.

Hard drugs, especially the highly addictive ones , are problematic because they start to influence behavior beyond just an "illegal smile" at 4:20.

And there is an entirely different dynamic to their lobbying efforts than the alcohol industry.

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:52:05am

I work at 4PM today. Guess this is what they mean as "getting a start on the day".
Morning Honcos.

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:07:03am

Hulk Hogan sues Bubba the Love Sponge, Gawker over sex tape
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

BTLS is the bluest of blue radio. And apparently, a douche. Wait, I already knew that.

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:35:36am

Heartbreak for autistic toddler after thugs decapitate his therapy chickens
A two-year-old autistic boy who sought refuge in his pet chickens faces heartache after it emerged the birds were savagely beheaded over the weekend.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

228 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:37:21am

re: #227 Cannadian Club Akbar

Heartbreak for autistic toddler after thugs decapitate his therapy chickens
A two-year-old autistic boy who sought refuge in his pet chickens faces heartache after it emerged the birds were savagely beheaded over the weekend.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Harkens back to a time when a kid like that would've been just shut up in an attic room and forgotten...

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:37:35am

Citizen wants city commissioner prosecuted for living in sin
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:42:49am

French president pushing homework ban as part of ed reforms
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That'll teach 'em!!! Or not...
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231 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 2:54:55am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

[...]

Whether Hollande really gets all of this done is open to question. But his homework position is not original; some school districts in the United States did the same thing going back more than a century. Early in the 1900s, the influential Ladies’ Home Journal magazine called homework “barbarous,” and school districts such as Los Angeles abolished it in kindergarten through eighth grade. In fact, some educators said it caused tuberculosis, nervous conditions and heart disease in the young and that children were better off playing outside. The American Child Health Association in the 1930s labeled homework and child labor as leading killers of children who contracted tuberculosis and heart disease.

Today people who oppose homework have different objections, among them, the research that suggests it doesn’t really help young children learn.

232 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:11:36am

re: #231 freetoken

I had to get a TB shot and didn't do my homework. Guess that was a double inoculation.
/

233 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:17:07am

When I had to do a science project in 7th grade I made a telegraph. Bad news was the morning it was due my 9V battery was dead. Hooked it up to a battery charger instead and used an inch think piece of rubber to tap with. There were sparks.:)

234 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:23:45am

Our biology teeacher used to assign us "projects" for each quarter-year: an insect collection, reading/reviewing a book, dissecting a frog and reporting on it, etc.

It was his excuse for blowing us off and leaving us unattended for days on end.

They made up 1/4 of our grade. But I found out right away that even blowing them off, if I aced all the exams and quizzes, I still squeaked through with a B, and that was good enough for me and my folks...

Learned a lot that way.

235 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:26:55am

re: #234 AK-47%

I remember the frog thing. Made some people ill.

236 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:30:22am

Russia Plane Crash Pilots Were Drunk, Says Probe
MOSCOW -- Russia's investigative agency says both the pilots of a plane that crashed last month in Russia's far east, killing 10 people, were drunk.

The Investigative Committee said Monday that a forensic study found the first pilot of the local flight was lightly intoxicated and his co-pilot was moderately intoxicated when their An-28 slammed into a forest on the Kamchatka Peninsula on Sept. 12. Ten of 14 people on board, including both pilots, were killed.

Investigators say they are looking into who was responsible for letting the pilots board.

Russia has had a series of deadly crashes in recent years, rooted in lax government controls, poor crew training and neglect of safety rules. Investigators determined that the pilot of a plane that crashed in June 2011, killing 47, was also drunk.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

237 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:35:53am

re: #236 Cannadian Club Akbar

Russia has had a series of deadly crashes in recent years, rooted in lax government controls, poor crew training and neglect of safety rules.
]

One could simply argue that this was Russia trying to "reduce the regulatory burden that is stifling free enterprise"

238 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:41:16am

re: #237 AK-47%

One could simply argue that this was Russia trying to "reduce the regulatory burden that is stifling free enterprise"

/

I blame the Forrest for getting in the way.
/

239 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:43:25am

Run, Forrest, run!

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:46:13am

re: #239 AK-47%

Run, Forrest, run!

I remember a "Far Side" where 2 pilots were looking at each other and saying, "What is that goat doing up in the clouds"?

241 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:53:31am

re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar

I remember a "Far Side" where 2 pilots were looking at each other and saying, "What is that goat doing up in the clouds"?

Skydiving?

242 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:56:18am

re: #241 AK-47%

The bad thing about a "Far Side" calendar; You get it home and read the whole thing in 10 minutes.

243 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:01:55am
244 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:02:18am

re: #242 Cannadian Club Akbar

The bad thing about a "Far Side" calendar; You get it home and read the whole thing in 10 minutes.

I still want to get the complete "Far Side" Collection: it is not cheap, best part of $100, but it has everything he ever published, and a lot of ones that never got published for various reasons, plus a load of background history. Worth the price.

245 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:34:21am

Huh. That's nothing! My daughter had a 12-lb baby delivered at home!

She gave birth to Eric Cartman.

246 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:40:49am

re: #245 Sheila Broflovski

At home? Wow. My son was 12 lb 4 oz. at birth. Doc wouldn't even consider letting me go into labor,c-section was planned a few days after the due date. My hat's off to her. Yowza. I'm too big of a sissy for that sort of thing,lol.

247 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:42:50am

re: #246 A Mom Anon

At home? Wow. My son was 12 lb 4 oz. at birth. Doc wouldn't even consider letting me go into labor,c-section was planned a few days after the due date. My hat's off to her. Yowza. I'm too big of a sissy for that sort of thing,lol.

The home birth thing just totally freaks me out. Even though my daughter is a medical professional there are just so many things that can go wrong with a home birth.

248 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:49:47am

re: #228 AK-47%

WTF is wrong with people? That poor little boy. I really hope they find the asshole responsible for that shit.

When my son was little I had a "friend"who suggested I have him institutionalized,made a ward of the state. Needless to say the friendship kinda crashed and burned after that. She had a kid a couple of months after my son was born,so this was a mother who said this to me. Someone I had known for 10 years. That sort of attitude dies hard in some places I guess. I often wonder about all the wasted humanity shut off from the world and treated like crap back in those times. It still happens,but at least it's not widely acceptable anymore.

249 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 4:55:15am
251 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:19:30am

Citigroup CEO plans for succession, but doesn't plan to leave now, WSJ reports
Citigroup (C) CEO Vikram Pandit is taking steps to ensure that the company has a worthy successor upon his retirement, though he doesn't plan to leave for several years, the Wall Street Journal reports. A lead contender to be Pandit's successor could be Mike Corbat, the head of the company's operations in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, sources say.
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

Reuters has a breaking news banner that says dude just stepped down. No link yet. Link posted is from August 3, 2012

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:31:29am

re: #251 Cannadian Club Akbar

The CEO and COO step down at the same time.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

253 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:35:02am

re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar

Citizen wants city commissioner prosecuted for living in sin
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Heh.

A good party game would be to collect real-life stories of this and other forms of bat-shittery, strip out all the identifying details, and then try to guess whether the story came from Florida or Arizona.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:37:09am

re: #253 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

A good party game would be to collect real-life stories of this and other forms of bat-shittery, strip out all the identifying details, and then try to guess whether the story came from Florida or Arizona.

Besides the names of cities and counties, the words "meth" and "lab" will have to go.

255 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:00:17am

re: #254 Cannadian Club Akbar

Besides the names of cities and counties, the words "meth" and "lab" will have to go.

And "goat".

256 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:13:38am

Police question 2 at Pakistani girl's hospital
BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) — British police questioned two people Tuesday at a hospital where a teenage Pakistani activist is recovering after being shot, raising fears about the girl's safety amid pledges by the Taliban to finish the job.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Tough guys. And the 2 arrested were thought to just be curious about the girl.

257 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:29:09am

re: #256 Cannadian Club Akbar

Police question 2 at Pakistani girl's hospital
BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) — British police questioned two people Tuesday at a hospital where a teenage Pakistani activist is recovering after being shot, raising fears about the girl's safety amid pledges by the Taliban to finish the job.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Tough guys. And the 2 arrested were thought to just be curious about the girl.

I just had to read the comments section...
Sheesh.

258 RadicalModerate  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:33:41am

Followup to the story about the Reddit sleazeball troll who was outed over the weekend - not surprisingly, his employer didn't take too kindly to his online persona, and he's been fired.

Violentacrez Fired: Michael Brutsch Loses Job After Reddit Troll Identity Exposed By Gawker

Actions have consequences, which is something Michael Brutsch is just starting to learn.

Brutsch, aka "Violentacrez," was Reddit's biggest troll until Gawker exposed his true identify, revealing to the world the man behind questionable forums, such as r/creepshots -- a space dedicated to pictures of women unaware that their photographs had been taken.

259 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:40:37am

re: #258 RadicalModerate

Really bizarre that he's trying to hide behind his disabled wife. Yeah, the insurance system sucks. It sucks for a fucking lot of people, not just you. I'd love it if we had a health care system that'd take care of your wife.

Also, cue the idiots talking about first amendment rights.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:49:03am

re: #259 Obdicut

Also, cue the idiots talking about first amendment rights.

I'm sure KT will be along shortly full of concern.

261 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:54:08am

re: #16 Digital Display

Great page Gus! Congrads!
You know when I first arrived here on the scene I didn't know Geller until Charles started posting about who her peeps were..Very disturbing about the venom of bigotry she has. Her marching about the mosque in NY sealed it for me. What if Baptists fell out of favor here in the USA? Could we ban their rights to practice religion? We as Americans all have the protections of the Constitution or none at all.

It's been well-established by the Republican Party in this nation that the United States Constitution™ only applies when they think it should apply, and only grants rights to people they feel should have those rights.

262 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:55:18am

re: #259 Obdicut

Really bizarre that he's trying to hide behind his disabled wife. Yeah, the insurance system sucks. It sucks for a fucking lot of people, not just you. I'd love it if we had a health care system that'd take care of your wife.

Also, cue the idiots talking about first amendment rights.

The 1st Amendment is protection against being punished by the government for speech. It does not protect you from being fired if your boss doesn't like what you are saying.

263 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 6:58:07am

re: #257 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I just had to read the comments section...
Sheesh.

Forget it, ONZ, it's Yahoo.

264 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:00:43am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

Yep. But lots of people like to confuse the issue of first amendment rights by pretending that negative consequences for speech serve to suppress it. It's stupid, but people always make that argument. They made it over Limbaugh's slut comments, they'll make it on this one.

It shouldn't be as easy as it is in this country to just fire someone, but that's thanks to the weakness of our unions and worker's right's laws.

265 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:06:07am

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

The 1st Amendment is protection against being punished by the government for speech. It does not protect you from being fired if your boss doesn't like what you are saying.

It does in some cases. This, however, is not one of those cases.

266 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:06:13am

re: #264 Obdicut

Yep. But lots of people like to confuse the issue of first amendment rights by pretending that negative consequences for speech serve to suppress it. It's stupid, but people always make that argument. They made it over Limbaugh's slut comments, they'll make it on this one.

It shouldn't be as easy as it is in this country to just fire someone, but that's thanks to the weakness of our unions and worker's right's laws.

That last is a debate for another time. For right now I'd argue that even if 'at will' employment was discontinued, any proper 'for cause' replacement would cover firing someone who had engaged in behavior such as that of Michael Brutsch. His moral turpitude would have tarnished his employer and lowered the moral of his co-workers had he stayed. That is cause enough for termination in my book.

267 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:07:07am

re: #264 Obdicut

Yep. But lots of people like to confuse the issue of first amendment rights by pretending that negative consequences for speech serve to suppress it. It's stupid, but people always make that argument. They made it over Limbaugh's slut comments, they'll make it on this one.

It shouldn't be as easy as it is in this country to just fire someone, but that's thanks to the weakness of our unions and worker's right's laws.

If the boss can make the case that your actions are detrimental to the company's image and to the morale of your co-workers, that is grounds enough, even in countries with stricter labor laws.

268 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:12:38am

re: #267 AK-47%

If the boss can make the case that your actions are detrimental to the company's image and to the morale of your co-workers, that is grounds enough, even in countries with stricter labor laws.

Oh sure, this dude would get fired under nearly any circumstances, anywhere. But people conflate shit like this with people getting fired because they're gay.

I'm really not looking forwards to all the lousy arguments that will be made on behalf of this creep.

269 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:15:15am

To expand. Your employer cannot fire you for your religious activities outside work. Your employer cannot fire you for your political activities outside work. There are caveats to those caveats, but the rule holds in general.

270 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:16:05am

re: #268 Obdicut

Oh sure, this dude would get fired under nearly any circumstances, anywhere. But people conflate shit like this with people getting fired because they're gay.

I'm really not looking forwards to all the lousy arguments that will be made on behalf of this creep.

Well, firing someone because of their race, sex, religion, disability status, or sexual orientation is illegal and should be. Getting fired because you violated other people's privacy and have a creepy obsession with young girls is another thing entirely.

271 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:18:19am

re: #269 kirkspencer

To expand. Your employer cannot fire you for your religious activities outside work. Your employer cannot fire you for your political activities outside work. There are caveats to those caveats, but the rule holds in general.

In Germany, the employer has to make a case that your actions are so dire that they endanger his ability to focontinue to employ you and other co-workers. Publishing peeping tom shots would probably fall under that in most cases unless you were working for an Internet porn site...

272 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:20:53am

Yay!!!
I figured out how to embed a video!
And to think, all I had to do is follow the directions...
Anyway, I thought this was kinda funny, but it's prolly not to everyone's taste.
Plus I was experimenting.

273 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:30:12am

re: #271 AK-47%

In Germany, the employer has to make a case that your actions are so dire that they endanger his ability to focontinue to employ you and other co-workers. Publishing peeping tom shots would probably fall under that in most cases unless you were working for an Internet porn site...

Because of one of his sites, I think it would be easier in Germany. Even without that one, he's easily met standards for dismissal in most nations.

Trolling is borderline (if not full) incitement. It's intended to disrupt, to evoke reactions so strong it derails normal behavior. And he ran several such sites.

He doesn't just have creepshots and jailbait. He also had n*****jailbait and jewmerica and hitler (the one that'd get him in Germany) and picsofdeadkids and a lot more equally bad if not worse. All were intended to troll - to offend and evoke disruptive reaction.

I am completely unsurprised he is losing his job.

274 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:35:11am

Last night I saw Camille Paglia on Joy Behar's show claiming that if Romney won he would be a moderate President. She also claimed that the Tea Party was a grassroot organization and to call it racist was a mistake.

Can't believe that sensible people are falling for Romney's moderate bs. How can he be moderate when (a) he has surrounded himself with former Bush Officials and (b) when he's signed Norquist's anti-tax pledge and NOM's anti-gay pledge?

[Link: technorati.com...]

He's also promised to defund Planned Parenthood and support anti-abortion legislation/Supreme Court Judges.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

275 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:37:07am

re: #268 Obdicut

I'm really not looking forwards to all the lousy arguments that will be made on behalf of this creep.

Already seen way too much of that, even around here. Again, if this guy had become an internet "celebrity" by posting pictures of MY child, I would have no issue whatsoever with him losing his anonymity. I am sure that the vast majority of free speech fetishists would probably agree if they found themselves as a parent in this situation.

276 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:38:41am

re: #275 bratwurst

Already seen way too much of that, even around here. Again, if this guy had become an internet "celebrity" by posting pictures of MY child, I would have no issue whatsoever with him losing his anonymity. I am sure that the vast majority of free speech fetishists would probably agree if they found themselves as a parent in this situation.

Did they ever identify the guy(s) who made the Facebook page that eventually caused Amanda Todd to kill herself?

277 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:39:24am

re: #273 kirkspencer

A guy like that is definitely a detriment to the morale of his co-workers, yes...

278 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:40:50am

re: #274 Patricia Kayden

Last night I saw Camille Paglia on Joy Behar's show claiming that if Romney won he would be a moderate President. She also claimed that the Tea Party was a grassroot organization and to call it racist was a mistake.

Can't believe that sensible people are falling for Romney's moderate bs. How can he be moderate when (a) he has surrounded himself with former Bush Officials and (b) when he's signed Norquist's anti-tax pledge and NOM's anti-gay pledge?

[Link: technorati.com...]

He's also promised to defund Planned Parenthood and support anti-abortion legislation/Supreme Court Judges.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

It is clear that if Mitt gets elected he is going to smile and blow soap bubbles while letting the kooks like Bolton, Ryan, Michelle Bachmann and Todd Akin and the like make policy. He does not have the will or the ability to stand up to them.

279 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:41:15am

Another right-wing propaganda film?

They like films.

280 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:42:16am

re: #278 AK-47%

It is clear that if Mitt gets elected he is going to smile and blow soap bubbles while letting the kooks like Bolton, Ryan, Michelle Bachmann and Todd Akin and the like make policy. He does not have the will or the ability to stand up to them.

True, he will be a meat puppet like Bush was. Possibly even worse than Bush was.

281 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:43:19am

re: #280 Eventual Carrion

True, he will be a meat puppet like Bush was. Possibly even worse than Bush was.

Remember what Grover Norquist said about just needing a president to sign the laws they make. I believe that is why the GOP base finally aquiesced and accepted Mitt, they saw he would be good for that.

282 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:43:23am

re: #278 AK-47%

It is clear that if Mitt gets elected he is going to smile and blow soap bubbles while letting the kooks like Bolton, Ryan, Michelle Bachmann and Todd Akin and the like make policy. He does not have the will or the ability to stand up to them.

Bachmann is going to be gone from Congress (and good riddance), while Todd Akin is too much of a 'lone wolf' to make policy. John Bolton and Paul Ryan are not kooks and would serve Mitt Romney well in policy matters.

283 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:44:30am

Whatever you call them, they are far from "moderate" and would be the ones actually shaping policy.

284 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:46:16am

re: #279 Gus

Another right-wing propaganda film?

[Embedded content]

They like films.

No, it was produced by the Chicago Machine and they run it every Election Day.

/not really kidding.

285 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:46:19am

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Bachmann is going to be gone from Congress (and good riddance), while Todd Akin is too much of a 'lone wolf' to make policy. John Bolton and Paul Ryan are not kooks and would serve Mitt Romney well in policy matters.

Bolton and Ryan are spastic ideologue dooshnozzles of the highest order.

286 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:47:07am

re: #285 Eventual Carrion

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

287 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:47:19am

re: #279 Gus

Another right-wing propaganda film?

[Embedded content]

They like films.

Yeah, I remember when they were really concerned about this four/eight/twelve/sixteen years ago!

Oh.

288 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:47:58am

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

Bachmann is going to be gone from Congress (and good riddance), while Todd Akin is too much of a 'lone wolf' to make policy. John Bolton and Paul Ryan are not kooks and would serve Mitt Romney well in policy matters.

John Bolton is a kook.

289 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:50:09am
290 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:51:34am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

You're entitled to your wrong opinion.

That's cute.

291 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:53:07am
292 Kronocide  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:54:38am

Ha ha, pretty funny.

[Link: www.romneytaxplan.com...]

293 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 7:55:21am

re: #292 Kronocide

Ha ha, pretty funny.

[Link: www.romneytaxplan.com...]

Lol.

294 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:00:43am

re: #274 Patricia Kayden

Last night I saw Camille Paglia on Joy Behar's show claiming that if Romney won he would be a moderate President. She also claimed that the Tea Party was a grassroot organization and to call it racist was a mistake.

Can't believe that sensible people are falling for Romney's moderate bs.

Paglia isn't a sensible person.

295 calochortus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:01:27am

re: #292 Kronocide

Ha ha, pretty funny.

[Link: www.romneytaxplan.com...]

I just dropped by to post that myself. Love it.

296 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:02:18am

re: #292 Kronocide

Ha ha, pretty funny.

[Link: www.romneytaxplan.com...]

The most infuriating thing about it is that the media apparatus of this country lacks the spine to say "Well, if you refuse to give us any details, we're just going to have to report that your tax plan is full of fairy dust and bullshit". It's preposterous that they're allowed to claim these magical numbers with little or no challenge by the news media while not having any obligation to explain even the broadest detail about how they're actually going to achieve them.

297 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:04:03am

Mornin' everybody.

298 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:04:20am

re: #296 GunstarGreen

The most infuriating thing about it is that the media apparatus of this country lacks the spine to say "Well, if you refuse to give us any details, we're just going to have to report that your tax plan is full of fairy dust and bullshit". It's preposterous that they're allowed to claim these magical numbers with little or no challenge by the news media while not having any obligation to explain even the broadest detail about how they're actually going to achieve them.

Obama is at a distinct advantage: he has to run on his record. Unless his record whows a decline in umemployment, at which the statistics are called into question...

Mitt can just blow soap bubbles and let them reflect whatever the target audience wants to see in them.

299 jaunte  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:05:36am

Saw a Romney/Ryan ad at the top of the page this morning, with a red 'contribute' button. It's still strange to me that a man worth $200 million (at least) is asking me for money.
....
Driving across the hinterlands from Houston to Alamogordo to Flagstaff over the past few days, spotted only two Romney car stickers, only one Obama.
Anecdotal low enthusiasm in the Southwest?

300 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:07:43am

re: #299 jaunte

Saw a Romney/Ryan ad at the top of the page this morning, with a red 'contribute' button. It's still strange to me that a man worth $200 million (at least) is asking me for money.

The one I'm currently seeing at the top of the page asks if we'd be 'better off with $5 trillion of new debt.'

Umm... Isn't that exactly what we'd be getting from Romney's tax cut?

301 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:08:41am

re: #300 makeitstop

The one I'm currently seeing at the top of the page asks if we'd be 'better off with $5 trillion of new debt.'

Umm... Isn't that exactly what we'd be getting from Romney's tax cut?

No, because the market fairies will take care of it.

302 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:09:02am

re: #297 darthstar

Mornin' everybody.

Good win last night, but St Louise got what it wanted ,,, a split in the 1st two games

303 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:09:33am

Vote for Mitt Romney because he cares about rich people.

//

304 jaunte  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:09:38am

re: #300 makeitstop

The one I'm currently seeing at the top of the page asks if we'd be 'better off with $5 trillion of new debt.'

Umm... Isn't that exactly what we'd be getting from Romney's tax cut?

"We'll make up the losses in volume."

305 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:10:06am

re: #301 GunstarGreen

No, because the market fairies will take care of it.

And Job Creators will be so optimistic that they will ignore the total lack of demand and start hiring again.

306 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:10:51am

re: #299 jaunte

Saw a Romney/Ryan ad at the top of the page this morning, with a red 'contribute' button. It's still strange to me that a man worth $200 million (at least) is asking me for money.
....
Driving across the hinterlands from Houston to Alamogordo to Flagstaff over the past few days, spotted only two Romney car stickers, only one Obama.
Anecdotal low enthusiasm in the Southwest?

Trending: "Mitt Romney's $5"

307 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:11:29am
308 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:12:31am
309 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:12:52am

re: #299 jaunte

Saw a Romney/Ryan ad at the top of the page this morning, with a red 'contribute' button. It's still strange to me that a man worth $200 million (at least) is asking me for money.
....
Driving across the hinterlands from Houston to Alamogordo to Flagstaff over the past few days, spotted only two Romney car stickers, only one Obama.
Anecdotal low enthusiasm in the Southwest?

The Romney campaign has given up on New Mexico entirely, and one poll had Obama up in Arizona, formerly a sure thing for Romney. I imagine that Obama supporters in AZ would be afraid to put it on their car.

310 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:12:57am

So the Giants got their asses handed to them in game 1 of the NLCS, but came back last night with some solid baseball, positive attitude, and won game 2 Decisively.

I'm hoping to see the same out of President Obama tonight. It's town hall style, his best venue. He connects with people, shows compassion for them because he understands what it's like to struggle. He can sympathize with them and still keep a sharp eye on his opponent, who will feel like he's in a cage with hungry animals and will try to explain his way out...and that's when Obama needs to pounce, and call him on his bullshit. If he does that, it will be beautiful, because the audience (unless Romney was allowed to stack it himself, which is entirely possible) will shun him if he gets caught lying to them.

311 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:13:18am

I'm going to be watching the Tigers/Yankees game tonight instead of the debate.

312 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:17:01am

re: #296 GunstarGreen

The most infuriating thing about it is that the media apparatus of this country lacks the spine

Well, this could have something to do with it:

If the problem with our economy is not inadequate demand, as Democrats say, but rather that the rich do not have enough money in their hands, as Republicans contend, then what were we to make of the record $2 trillion in free cash currently sitting idle with America's banks and corporations - a large portion of which I would submit is being sequestered so as to deliberately suppress the economy to Obama's disadvantage in order that America's plutocracy can get the compliant Romney puppet regime these oligarchs so obviously desire.

[Link: open.salon.com...]

The owners want Romney on their team, and they're willing to pay whatever they have to to get him.

313 jaunte  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:18:23am

re: #311 Sheila Broflovski

I'll be at the Grand Canyon tonight, looking at the stars.
If it gets too cold, I might go see if a tv at the Lodge is playing the debate.

314 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:18:52am

re: #311 Sheila Broflovski

I'm going to be watching the Tigers/Yankees game tonight instead of the debate.

Tigers are dominating the yankees right now. Hoping to see them play San Francisco in another week.

315 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:19:52am

Holy shit...it's almost 8:30...I need to go run my dogs.

316 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:20:17am

re: #307 Gus

[Embedded content]

Drudge too a break from Alex Jones links for a while but he's back at it again.

317 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:20:27am
318 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:21:45am

re: #316 Killgore Trout

Drudge too a break from Alex Jones links for a while but he's back at it again.

Did he? I finally went to Drudge after a year and he was still there. Still a mess and chock full of hysteria.

319 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:22:20am

re: #310 darthstar

came back last night with some solid baseball, positive attitude, and won game 2

Something has to be done about the schedule

IF there is a Game 7 in the World Series, it will be played on November 1st

NOVEMBER

Thats all well and fine if the series is in Miami, or San Diego, or Arizona ,,,

But November, in San Fran, or New York, Or St. Louis, or Detriot

NOVEMBER

320 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:26:11am

Well, at least he won't go on The View, with those sharped tongued ladies and all. //

321 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:27:12am


Good video though...watch it.

322 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:28:18am

re: #319 sattv4u2

came back last night with some solid baseball, positive attitude, and won game 2

Something has to be done about the schedule

IF there is a Game 7 in the World Series, it will be played on November 1st

NOVEMBER

Thats all well and fine if the series is in Miami, or San Diego, or Arizona ,,,

But November, in San Fran, or New York, Or St. Louis, or Detriot

NOVEMBER

It's a conspiracy. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

323 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:32:02am

re: #321 darthstar

[Embedded content]


Good video though...watch it.

Ha! So true. Mitt Romney: the one day president.

324 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:32:29am

Meanwhile, in Greece.

325 Girth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:32:49am

re: #322 darthstar

It's a conspiracy. Don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

MLB clearly designed the 5 game LDS format to go all five games by back-loading home field advantage, and it worked to perfection.

326 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:34:30am

re: #325 Girth

MLB clearly designed the 5 game LDS format to go all five games by back-loading home field advantage, and it worked to perfection.

Though the Giants ended up needing to sweep the Reds at home to win.

327 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:35:08am

re: #320 Bulworth

Well, at least he won't go on The View, with those sharped tongued ladies and all. //

Why did Mitt Romney cancel appearance on 'The View'?

328 Girth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:35:44am

re: #326 darthstar

Though the Giants ended up needing to sweep the Reds at home to win.

And the Tigers should have won theirs in four.

329 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:39:53am
330 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:42:00am
331 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:42:49am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Why did Mitt Romney cancel appearance on 'The View'?

Nah. He's chickenshit.

332 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:55:01am

re: #330 Gus

[Embedded content]

That dude's in for a world of hurt if Anon's message is true.

333 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:56:30am

Fuck anon.

334 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:57:03am

re: #294 Obdicut

Paglia isn't a sensible person.

QFT. Paglia was trolling long before the Internet made it popular.

335 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:57:19am

re: #333 Varek Raith

Fuck anon.

Fuck the guy who killed Amanda Todd.

336 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:58:32am

re: #335 Sheila Broflovski

Fuck the guy who killed Amanda Todd.

Yep.
Fuck him too.

337 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:00:15am
338 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:00:48am

re: #317 Gus

The bunny rabbit should be under the hoof of the unicorn, who should have a bird impaled on its horn. Charming, though.

339 blueraven  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:01:09am

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Why did Mitt Romney cancel appearance on 'The View'?

Doing the same thing he always does...changes his mind to float with the political winds.

great apologist for Romney though.

340 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:01:23am
341 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:04:00am

re: #340 DisturbedEma

OT sort of, but someone's in the kitchen without permission

Paul Ryan...ramrod...oooh! How exciting!

342 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:05:32am

re: #335 Sheila Broflovski

Fuck the guy who killed Amanda Todd.

Hey. Have you seen that garbage from gegenkritik yet?

343 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:07:04am

re: #341 AK-47%

Wish I had time to do dishes that were not dirty. . .it is all I can do to keep up with the dirty ones:) Hope the facility is ok, they are nonpolitical to keep their funding from being messed over. . .stupid Paul Ryan

344 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:09:01am

re: #342 Gus

Hey. Have you seen that garbage from gegenkritik yet?

WTF??

345 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:09:25am

re: #342 Gus

Hey. Have you seen that garbage from gegenkritik yet?

I blocked that doofus from my Twitter feed.

347 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:13:58am

re: #344 makeitstop

WTF??

That nut was banned from LGF. If you said "I don't like the traffic around Tel Aviv" he'd call you an antisemite. I'm exaggerating but I'm sure you know what I mean.

348 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:14:34am

re: #342 Gus

Hey. Have you seen that garbage from gegenkritik yet?

Why does that name sound familiar?

349 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:36am

re: #348 Varek Raith

Why does that name sound familiar?

It is the sound you make when you have a chicken bone caught in your throat.

350 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:49am

re: #348 Varek Raith

Why does that name sound familiar?

gegenkritik

This user is blocked.

Karma: -540
Registered since: Apr 3, 2008 at 6:56 pm

No. of comments posted: 460
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Recent comments

351 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:51am

re: #347 Gus

That nut was banned from LGF. If you said "I don't like the traffic around Tel Aviv" he'd call you an antisemite. I'm exaggerating but I'm sure you know what I mean.

Right! Now I remember that fucktard.

352 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:16:30am

re: #351 Varek Raith

Right! Now I remember that fucktard.

Awful person. I mean one of the worst.

353 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:21:28am

It's official...the Irish prefer native (Kenyan) son O'Bama to Ryan.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Ryan's pitch to slash public spending does not go down so well in a country reeling from years of austerity imposed after crippling bank debt forced the government to take a bailout from the European Union and the International Monetary Fund in 2010.

Despite the Ryan connection, few locals are hoping for a Republican victory across the ocean.

"It would give a boost to a nice small town like this, but I would forgo it. I wouldn't want to inflict him on the American people," said Margaret, a 64-year-old cashier, upset by Ryan's plans to cut welfare and Medicare health cover for the elderly. She withheld her family name to avoid angering her employer.

A straw poll of 20 people on a recent afternoon found 12 Obama supporters and none for Ryan and running mate Mitt Romney.

Ninety-six percent of people in Ireland who have decided would back Obama and Irish Catholic running mate Joe Biden if they had a vote, according to a September poll of 1,000 people by Gallup International.

"He's too far right-wing for this part of the world," said Martin Brett, the former mayor of the county's capital Kilkenny, who hosted Ryan's uncle when he came to trace his roots in the region a few years ago.

354 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:22:43am

re: #351 Varek Raith

Right! Now I remember that fucktard.

It makes me smile when I see other people using the word 'fucktard'...one of my favorites that I started using because people were offended by my use of 'retard' with regard to GOP candidates.

355 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:23:46am

re: #330 Gus

[Embedded content]

I hope they actually find the person, and I suspect somebody in Anonymous has the chops to do it. The RCMP will also find the person but they may not release the name quite as quickly.

I have a bit of violence I'd like to share with the perp, even if only virtual.

356 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:25:02am

re: #355 Gangnam Style

I hope they actually find the person, and I suspect somebody in Anonymous has the chops to do it. The RCMP will also find the person but they may not release the name quite as quickly.

I have a bit of violence I'd like to share with the perp, even if only virtual.

Yeah. I still don't believe in vigilantism. It's up to the courts since for all we know this guy could be innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.

357 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:30:09am

re: #356 Gus

Amen- but like with so many other tragic situations, nothing will bring her back. . .but maybe for those that loved her, and those of us who were touched by her horrible situation will find some peace in bringing some sort of justice to those who did this. . .

358 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:32:25am

I knew LGF was a different place before I started posting, but damn!

359 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:32:34am

5 Facts You Should Commit To Memory Before Watching Tonight’s Debate

1. The deficit is largely a product of tax cuts and wars.
2. When US officials asked for more security in Libya, they wanted it in Tripoli, not Benghazi.
3. 72 million people would be uninsured under Romney’s health plan.
4. If the DREAM Act were passed, it would add $329 billion to the economy by 2030.
5. The “six studies” that Romney cites in defense of his tax plan are actually 3 blog posts, 2 right-wing reports and 1 op-ed.

360 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:33:04am

re: #355 Gangnam Style

I'd like the punishment to fit the crime- and imagine that if the person or persons who did this were required to open up their hard drives for the world to see, and were made to publish their contact information, it could come close.

361 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:33:22am

re: #356 Gus

Yeah. I still don't believe in vigilantism. It's up to the courts since for all we know this guy could be innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.

And considering that Anonymous has a long history of harassing teenage girls, this is pretty hypocritical, too.

362 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:34:00am

re: #361 Obdicut

Oh really?? That is interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

363 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:34:57am

re: #356 Gus

Yeah. I still don't believe in vigilantism. It's up to the courts since for all we know this guy could be innocent. Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't believe in vigilantism either, and I will 99% of the time side with waiting until all information is in and due process is followed, but as the target of bullies through most of my childhood I have a few bitter choice words I'd like to pin him to the wall with.

364 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:35:28am

re: #357 DisturbedEma

Amen- but like with so many other tragic situations, nothing will bring her back. .

I HATE THIS STUPID CLICHE!

I don't know why so many people confuse "justice" with "bringing back the dead."

Who ever started this stupid meme of "it won't bring back the dead." Has anyone ever, in the history of the world, ever claimed that prosecuting an evildoer "brings back the dead"?

OK carry on, rant over.

365 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:37:50am

re: #361 Obdicut

And considering that Anonymous has a long history of harassing teenage girls, this is pretty hypocritical, too.

This is one time I'm willing to look the other way, if and only if they contribute to the discovery of the guilty person.

366 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:38:07am

re: #362 DisturbedEma

Oh really?? That is interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

Well, it's the nature of the beast. Anonymous is anyone who wants to be anonymous on the chans or other places like that. That's all. So yeah, most of their time is spent harassing people and being assholes.

Jessi Slaughter is a good example.

367 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:38:15am

re: #359 Varek Raith

5 Facts You President Obama Should Commit To Memory Before Watching Tonight’s Debate

368 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:38:23am

My boss went on a rant this morning: "Why do they call the people who work at the Apple stores 'geniuses'? They are some of the stupidest people I have ever met!"

369 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:38:40am

re: #364 Sheila Broflovski

I HATE THIS STUPID CLICHE!

I don't know why so many people confuse "justice" with "bringing back the dead."

Who ever started this stupid meme of "it won't bring back the dead." Has anyone ever, in the history of the world, ever claimed that prosecuting an evildoer "brings back the dead"?

OK carry on, rant over.

Understandable.
I think, though, it's just a reference to the fact that justice is imperfect.

370 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:39:46am
371 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:40:16am

re: #370 Gus

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372 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:44:17am

Mitt's friends suck more than he does. And that's saying something.

373 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:44:43am

Coulter calls for ‘Disown Your Son Day’ in response to ‘Coming Out Day’

The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) is calling for people to wear purple in support of LGBT youth after conservative columnist Ann Coulter joked that “Disown Your Son Day” should follow last week’s “National Coming Out Day.”

In a post to Twitter earlier Tuesday morning, Coulter wrote, “Last Thursday was national ‘coming out’ day. This Monday is national ‘disown your son’ day.”

Out of the dozens of people responding on Twitter, not one seemed to find any humor in Coulter’s joke.

I'd call her a hate-filled vindictive psycho-bitch, but I don't feel its descriptive enough.

374 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:44:59am

re: #368 Sheila Broflovski

My boss went on a rant this morning: "Why do they call the people who work at the Apple stores 'geniuses'? They are some of the stupidest people I have ever met!"

Most of them are Apple nerds. They know a lot about one tiny little thing and little about anything else.

Expecting more than that will certainly lead to disappointment.

375 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:45:18am

re: #370 Gus

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It was such an obvious attempt at voter suppression.
The bulk of black people and working class voters depend on being able to vote on the weekend.
Yay!

376 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:46:17am

re: #373 Kragar

Coulter calls for ‘Disown Your Son Day’ in response to ‘Coming Out Day’

I'd call her a hate-filled vindictive psycho-bitch, but I don't feel its descriptive enough.

I call on humanity to disown Ann.

377 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:46:37am

re: #376 Varek Raith

I call on humanity to disown Ann.

She's human?

378 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:46:49am

re: #374 Gangnam Style

Most of them are Apple nerds. They know a lot about one tiny little thing and little about anything else.

Expecting more than that will certainly lead to disappointment.

Idiot Savants is a more accurate term.

379 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:46:52am

You know what I hate? Aside from onions and boiled cabbage, I mean.

I hate it when a 4 year old laptop battery decides it's done enough work for the day and shuts your system down mid sentence.

F^%$ing thing.

380 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:47:10am

re: #373 Kragar

Coulter calls for ‘Disown Your Son Day’ in response to ‘Coming Out Day’

I'd call her a hate-filled vindictive psycho-bitch, but I don't feel its descriptive enough.

And she's not anti-gay enough for the idiots who run CPAC, why?

381 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:47:55am

re: #364 Sheila Broflovski

Um ok- point taken and while you might not like it, I find it useful for putting things into perspective.

382 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:49:19am

re: #361 Obdicut

And considering that Anonymous has a long history of harassing teenage girls, this is pretty hypocritical, too.

Anonymous has a long history of being internet vigilantes, for better or for worse.

In the first place, one has to understand that referring to "Anonymous" as some kind of organized group is a bit silly. There is no centralized leadership of an organized group, it's just random anonymous people, mostly from 4chan's /b/ board but not exclusively from there. Nobody directs them, it's just that one or two of them post up an idea and some number of people glom onto it until it becomes a thing. It's more or less anarchy. /b/ posters were calling themselves Anonymous and Legion long before groups of them ever did anything newsworthy.

From there, the things that 'Anonymous' does as an 'organization' -- again, to truly call it that isn't really correct -- can best be classified as some odd form of internet vigilantism. In the early days they did physical protest rallies against the Church of Scientology due to its very shady past and practices. Then there was Jessi Slaughter. Yeah, it was bullying a teenage girl. They justified it by reminding folks that she liked to put up youtube videos talking about how she was going to 'cap bitches' and such, basically being an internet tough girl, and their intent was to knock her down several pegs.

Not saying it was right (it wasn't), but that was their reason.

And now digging up information on Amanda Todd's harasser. To characterize them as inherently good or bad is to ignore their checkered history. It's more complex than just good or bad.

383 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:49:38am
conservative columnist Ann Coulter joked that “Disown Your Son Day” should follow last week’s “National Coming Out Day.”

Prolife. //

384 blueraven  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:49:44am

re: #370 Gus

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I anticipated this, but you never know for sure with the SC.
Great news, and fuck those Ohio republicans anyway.

385 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:49:47am

re: #377 Sheila Broflovski

She's human?

On some level she must be. I'm assuming her parents were more than department store mannequins.

386 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:50:56am

Anderson Cooper calls out Romney for claiming ‘blog posts’ are tax plan studies

“The suggestion is that these are full-blown academic studies,” Cooper noted on Monday. “Actually, three are blog posts, one is a Wall Street Journal op-ed. In the Wall Street Journal piece, Martin Feldstein, who’s also a campaign advisor, makes the math work but only by using a different definition of middle class than Mr. Romney uses in his own plan.”

“In another study cited by Mr. Romney, Princeton economist Harvey Rosen assumes the tax cuts would generate enough economic growth to offset the cost but for many, that is — that’s a rather large assumption. One that’s also by the way questioned by many conservative economists as well.”

Cooper concluded: “Bottom line, though, that word assume. Every one of these authors in each of these studies or so-called studies is making assumptions. As some may be solid assumptions, others dubious, but they’re all just assumptions because neither Mitt Romney nor Paul Ryan nor any of their surrogates have yet come forward with specifics.”

387 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:51:07am

re: #383 Bulworth

Prolife. //

Freedom/
Individual liberties/
Unless that person is gay. Really Coulter's whole act is tiring. It always was pathetic though. All her books are the same tired shit about how liberals are evil.

388 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:51:38am

re: #369 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Exactly, and also reminds you that even if you were able to bring a world of hurt to the people responsibile, the pain they caused and effects of their actions remain unchanged. In my personal experience with loss, having the courts impose "justice" meant that another family also suffered loss, and if it makes me a wuss, for considering the pain of others while trying to get justice, well, I'm ok with that.

389 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:51:42am
390 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:51:52am

re: #386 Kragar

Anderson Cooper calls out Romney for claiming ‘blog posts’ are tax plan studies

Mitt's lame. Claiming blog posts are studies now? What a lame ass. I hope this is called out tonight.

391 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:54:06am

re: #370 Gus

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Activist judges! Black-robed cabal!!!ty

392 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:54:11am

re: #389 Gus

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Awww!
Panda's are so cute -- even the grown ones...
Until you stick your face through the fence, and they try to hug you.

393 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:54:42am

re: #382 GunstarGreen

Dude, as well as being vigilantes, they do exactly they kind of shit they vigilantize against others for. Because it's Anonymous. It's just a big random bunch of bored internet assholes.

Sometimes there will be a sub-clave who organizes something, like the LOIC attacks, but mostly it's a pretty random collection of targets.

So no, they're not internet vigilantes. Not unless harassing 11 year old girls is now somehow vigilantism.

394 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:55:06am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

Did anyone ever debate in school? Is that debate model extinct? You'd think with so much on the line, there would be fact checking in real time, not the day after. For Goodness sake, it's like recapping The Voice, rather than a real debate.

395 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:58:11am
396 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:59:47am

re: #319 sattv4u2

came back last night with some solid baseball, positive attitude, and won game 2

Something has to be done about the schedule

IF there is a Game 7 in the World Series, it will be played on November 1st

NOVEMBER

Thats all well and fine if the series is in Miami, or San Diego, or Arizona ,,,

But November, in San Fran, or New York, Or St. Louis, or Detriot

NOVEMBER

Global warming will take care of that...
;P

397 Girth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:59:57am

re: #394 DisturbedEma

Did anyone ever debate in school? Is that debate model extinct? You'd think with so much on the line, there would be fact checking in real time, not the day after. For Goodness sake, it's like recapping The Voice, rather than a real debate.

We've been sold optics and spin rather than reasoned debate for a long time now.

398 blueraven  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:00:33am

re: #394 DisturbedEma

Did anyone ever debate in school? Is that debate model extinct? You'd think with so much on the line, there would be fact checking in real time, not the day after. For Goodness sake, it's like recapping The Voice, rather than a real debate.

I like the Joe Biden debate model: Never let them get away with a lie, call them out in real time.

399 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:02:46am

King's crisis
Religion | After a meteoric rise in the evangelical world, The King’s College president Dinesh D’Souza now faces his board’s likely questions about his relationship to a woman not his wife

400 GunstarGreen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:03:51am

re: #393 Obdicut

Dude, as well as being vigilantes, they do exactly they kind of shit they vigilantize against others for. Because it's Anonymous. It's just a big random bunch of bored internet assholes.

Sometimes there will be a sub-clave who organizes something, like the LOIC attacks, but mostly it's a pretty random collection of targets.

So no, they're not internet vigilantes. Not unless harassing 11 year old girls is now somehow vigilantism.

I thought I'd made clear that I wasn't saying that was right of them to do, nor that they are good for doing it. Vigilantism is illegal in many (if not all? Can't say I'm up on the laws of every part of the US) areas for a reason; most would-be vigilantes are just thugs that don't feel like abiding by the law of the land.

My purpose was not to endorse or condemn them, but to provide context for those that might not understand the group's history or why they'd be helping to catch Amanda Todd's harasser after having harassed Jessi Slaughter themselves.

401 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:03:56am

Simon Cowell should be the next moderator,
" That was truly awful. You should never be allowed on any stage, anywhere."

"You don't know nuthin', man! Nuthin'! I'ma be president one day, you'll see..."

402 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:08:15am

Get the Details of the Romney Tax Plan here.

403 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:10:51am

re: #402 Big Joe

Get the Details of the Romney Tax Plan here.

LOL !

404 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:13:04am

Bryan Fischer on CNN Likens Anti-Bullying Program to Poisoned Halloween Candy, Defends Gay-Nazi Claims

American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer appeared on CNN today and told host Carol Costello that the Southern Poverty Law Center’s “Mix It Up at Lunch Day” program, which the AFA is protesting, is “toxic” to the “moral health” of students, much like “poisoned Halloween candy” injected with cyanide.

After Fischer did his normal routine of arguing that Hitler was gay and that the Stormtroopers were largely comprised of gay members while making wild claims about the supposed dangers of homosexuality, Costello abruptly ended the interview, adding, “thanks for sharing your views, I guess.”

405 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:15:23am

Why is the guy on CNN to start with? That's half of society's problems, right there.

406 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:15:40am
407 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:16:50am

re: #400 GunstarGreen

I thought I'd made clear that I wasn't saying that was right of them to do, nor that they are good for doing it.

You did make that clear. What I'm making clear is that their primary mode is not being vigilantes, but just being assholes in general. Sometimes their targets happen to be people who do bad shit, but most of the time it's just whoever crops up.

It's no more vigilantism than kids going around knocking over mailboxes.

408 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:17:05am
409 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:17:22am
410 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:19:05am

prediction:

audience questions tonite will be full of wingnut straw men like, "presnit obama, don't you think that when you took gazillions of dollars away from medicare to pay for muslimcare, um, i mean obamacare, that the tax increases that resulted will kill my grandmother with a death panel?"

in other words, manure spreading is the tactic of the day

411 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:20:18am

re: #408 Gus

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I didn't realize that Jennifer Rubin was a columnist. I thought she was just some dumb woman on Twitter. Geesh.

412 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:26:02am

re: #404 Kragar

Bryan Fischer on CNN Likens Anti-Bullying Program to Poisoned Halloween Candy, Defends Gay-Nazi Claims

What the fuck was CNN expecting when they got him on TV anyhow? Fischer to be rational? The man is clearly mentally deranged.

413 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:03:24am

re: #398 blueraven

It was as close to the debates I did in high school as I've seen

414 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:41:43pm

Gus

By the way, I told Loon Watch about this, and they mentioned you and your post here.

This is What You Can Expect From a Mitt Romney Presidency: Islamophobia
[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]


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