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Jim Hoft Flat Out Lies About Panetta and “Waterboarding,” Gets a Drudge Link

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The Dumbest Man on the Internet resorts to a flat out lie today, and is rewarded with a headline link at Drudge Report: Defense Secretary Panetta Admits Information From Waterboarding Led US to Bin Laden (Video) | the Gateway Pundit.

Yes, waterboarding worked.
Today on Meet the Press Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta admitted that information gleaned from waterboarded detainees was used to track down al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden and kill him.

“The real story was that in order to put the puzzle of intelligence together that led us to Bin Laden, there were a lot of pieces out there that were a part of that puzzle. Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used. But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that.

Jim Hoft is such an amazing dimwit that he actually includes the quote that exposes his own brazen lies.

First, Panetta did not even use the word “waterboarding,” and he certainly did not say that information from waterboarding “led to bin Laden.” Hoft simply made that up out of nothing. Panetta specifically said that most of the intelligence that led to bin Laden was put together without using torture.

Second, Panetta’s very next sentence, directly following the section that Hoft clipped for his misleading video, was:

I think we could have gotten bin Laden without that.

This is an absolutely blatant, in your face example of how the right wing blogs tell each other lies, circulate them, and turn them into unquestionable articles of faith. It’s a microcosm of the reality-denying reactionary sickness at the heart of the conservative movement.

Here’s the clip from NBC of Panetta’s actual statement, including the critical sentence that Hoft edited out.

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215 comments

1 erik_t  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:49:33am

Jim, when you’re going to claim in your article that Person A said Thing X, you should probably not include Person A’s quote saying Thing Not X.

Just a friendly journalism tip, because I care.

2 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:55:28am

And that, right there might be why Zero Dark Thirty got the stink eye from the Oscar voters. The very idea that torture helped is both beyond completely unproven, and anathema to us all. So many want to buy in that waterboarding helped. Just to wrongly assuage the conscience.

3 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:55:35am

Does Mr. Hoft ever tell the truth? How influential is Hoft on the Republican Party? Republican politicians seem to always seek out Limbaugh’s approval (see Rubio’s recent appearance on his show to discuss immigration reform), but I’ve not heard much about Mr. Hoft in the mainstream press.

4 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:56:07am

Yes. If it wasn’t for “enhanced interrogation” we would have never known that OBL was hanging out in the open in Abbottabad, Pakistan, 0.8 miles away from Pakistan’s “West Point.” //

5 jaunte  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 10:56:10am

Chuck Todd would improve as a journalist if he wasn’t so enamored of his own voice, and could let Panetta answer the question without interrupting after the first sentence.

6 mr.fusion  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:01:56am

Absolutely shameless

Yet this will seep into the ether of the rightwing just as Charles pointed out. The same way that the “Liberty Tower” lie is ALWAYS brought up to defend Americans torturing their captives, this too will begin to be brought up every time torture is mentioned.

7 anonymous gun expert  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:04:54am

If Jim Holt didn’t lie, he would be speechless.

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:05:43am

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Does Mr. Hoft ever tell the truth? How influential is Hoft on the Republican Party? Republican politicians seem to always seek out Limbaugh’s approval (see Rubio’s recent appearance on his show to discuss immigration reform), but I’ve not heard much about Mr. Hoft in the mainstream press.

Unfortunately, Hoft is actually quite influential. His fake outrages often make it onto Fox News, although they rarely credit him. And this lying post of his is currently the big headline at Drudge Report.

Yes, Jim Hoft is a pretty good representative of the Republican Party. This is where they’re at.

9 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:11:10am

re: #3 Patricia Kayden

Does Mr. Hoft ever tell the truth? How influential is Hoft on the Republican Party? Republican politicians seem to always seek out Limbaugh’s approval (see Rubio’s recent appearance on his show to discuss immigration reform), but I’ve not heard much about Mr. Hoft in the mainstream press.

People like Hoft think differently.

As an example, I’ve listened to right-wing talk shows where the host has quote mined a statement from someone on the left, and when confronted about the context have asked “Did she say those words?”. When you answer “yes” they smile, nod and say “see?”

10 Kid Skeeter  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:28:48am

Limbaugh quotes the King of Derp and his site quite frequently. I would not be shocked if Limbaugh quotes this bullshit tomorrow.

11 Kid Skeeter  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:32:59am

I’ll give Chris Wallace this: he basically just called LaPierre a liar for saying that the Obama girls’ school has armed security. Wallace said his own children went there and there was never armed security then and no armed security now. He looked at LaPierre and said that he and all the others ( like his own network??!! LOL) know it is not true.

12 Lidane  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:35:41am

The seeds of a new RWNJ conspiracy are born:

13 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:36:28am

A few years ago I was arguing with our local talk show host about AGW and the use of the word consensus as used by scientists. I was arguing that consensus was used to mean ‘majority’, he was arguing that scientists were using the word to mean ‘all’. After he cut me off he pulled up six online dictionaries, five of which had his as their #1 definition. In his mind, the fact that the majority of dictionaries had his definition as #1 meant he was right. How the scientists used the word, or what they meant by it meant nothing.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:37:51am

re: #12 Lidane

The seeds of a new RWNJ conspiracy are born:

Watch: Murdered Navy SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle Spoke out Against Obama Gun Grab

You really think his killer has a chance of pleading PTSD now?

15 erik_t  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:38:48am

re: #12 Lidane

The seeds of a new RWNJ conspiracy are born:

Deftly ignoring the fact that, even if this is a fiendish conspiracy by the Obama administration, the facts on the ground are indistinguishable from a single shooter killing multiple trained, alert, armed elite special forces types, thereby making it laughable to claim that possession of a firearm by “good guys” confers magical invincibility against attack by armed “bad guys”.

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:39:31am

re: #13 b_sharp

A few years ago I was arguing with our local talk show host about AGW and the use of the word consensus as used by scientists. I was arguing that consensus was used to mean ‘majority’, he was arguing that scientists were using the word to mean ‘all’. After he cut me off he pulled up six online dictionaries, five of which had his as their #1 definition. In his mind, the fact that the majority of dictionaries had his definition as #1 meant he was right. How the scientists used the word, or what they meant by it meant nothing.

Why were you wasting your time arguing with these people? All we an do is to try to contain the derp and humiliate them by using their own words (especially those not intended for public consumption) as often as we can.

17 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:40:01am

re: #13 b_sharp

A few years ago I was arguing with our local talk show host about AGW and the use of the word consensus as used by scientists. I was arguing that consensus was used to mean ‘majority’, he was arguing that scientists were using the word to mean ‘all’. After he cut me off he pulled up six online dictionaries, five of which had his as their #1 definition. In his mind, the fact that the majority of dictionaries had his definition as #1 meant he was right. How the scientists used the word, or what they meant by it meant nothing.

Scientific consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scientists in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity. Scientific consensus is not by itself a scientific argument, and it is not part of the scientific method. Nevertheless, consensus may be based on both scientific arguments and the scientific method.

18 Lidane  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:40:10am

re: #14 Sol Berdinowitz

You really think his killer has a chance of pleqading PTSD now?

LOL no.

The guy got charged with two counts of capital murder in a county that is deeply, deeply red. The only way he avoids death is through some sort of plea bargian, and I don’t see that happening.

19 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:41:04am

There will be no “Obama gun grab.” End of story.

20 dragonath  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:42:10am

Gay marriage: Tory chairmen call for delay on vote

The bill would pass if it were brought up for a vote, both Labour and the Liberal Democrats are in favor.

It warns of “significant damage to the Conservative Party in the run-up to the 2015 election” if the plans enter law.

We’ll see.

21 Lidane  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:44:02am
22 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:45:00am

re: #21 Lidane

Deport @FoxNewsSunday Chris Wallace to the Afghanistan Front with a 7 round magazine and a .22 pistol.

Because America is basically Afghanistan.

23 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:45:39am

re: #21 Lidane

24 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:47:04am

re: #16 Sol Berdinowitz

Why were you wasting your time arguing with these people? All we an do is to try to contain the derp and humiliate them by using their own words (especially those not intended for public consumption) as often as we can.

At the time I averaged 4 hours a day driving on the highway. It was either that or fall asleep.

25 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:49:17am

re: #22 Sol Berdinowitz

Because America is basically Afghanistan.

I stole that.

26 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:49:32am

OT…

Remind me again how the BNP isn’t rooted in neo-Nazism?

27 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:49:40am

re: #12 Lidane

The seeds of a new RWNJ conspiracy are born:

Have there been any recent murders that these people haven’t blamed on Obama? To expand on a page comment I made earlier today, we are at war with a collective of crazy people. They obviously want to use their guns, and settle scores as they see them, but they haven’t quite whipped themselves into enough of a frenzy. As it is, the administration has to walk on eggshells in proposing gun legislation, merely proposing it, lest they incite millions of delusional freaks to come out shooting. One spark may set them off. In the current climate of lies and paranoia, a bungled law enforcement effort like Waco could do it, as could some kind of insane act by someone nominally on our side. Gun control advocates are not by nature violent, of course, but it only takes one unhinged individual among millions.

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:50:21am

re: #25 b_sharp

I stole that.

And according to the NRA, every schoolkid is as endangered as the President’s family…

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:50:48am

Anyone got a quick link to the actual reality behind the whole forced Ethiopian birth control issue? I’ve got a bunch of usefull idiots that need educating.

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:52:15am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

In the current climate of lies and paranoia, a bungled law enforcement effort like Waco could do it, as could some kind of insane act by someone nominally on our side. Gun control advocates are not by nature violent, of course, but it only takes one unhinged individual among millions.

I also dread the next major natural and/or man-made disaster, especially if the government has to declare martial law to restore order. I fear a lot of these gun nuts will take it as a personal declaration of war on their Sovereign Citizenship and come out shooting…it could get ugly.

31 Awea  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:53:03am

re: #21 Lidane

I can see why the Gun Nutz are screaming for his head. He showed some backbone and made LaPierre look like a buffoon.

Flustered LaPierre

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:53:14am

re: #23 Gus

Gabby Giffords was shot while afforded no rally police presence intentionally.

So why wasn’t she packing herself?

33 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:54:06am

re: #32 Sol Berdinowitz

So why wasn’t she packing herself?

Just another conspiracy nut.

34 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:54:13am

re: #12 Lidane

Fact is that there are quite a few high profile folks who have spoken out against Obama and any and all gun regulation. That includes everyone associated with the NRA. They’re still free to talk about their positions.

Kyle was murdered by a former soldier with PTSD. That’s no conspiracy. That’s a tragic combination of factors that led to the murder of two former soldiers, including one who was a highly decorated sniper. That Kyle also happened to be outspoken about gun rights was also a coincidence.

Occam’s Razor and all that.

35 Lidane  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:54:49am

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

To expand on a page comment I made earlier today, we are at war with a collective of crazy people. They obviously want to use their guns, and settle scores as they see them, but they haven’t quite whipped themselves into enough of a frenzy.

Don’t worry, they’re working on it:

36 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 11:56:01am

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s unclear right now. The Israeli health minsitry put out an order that no Ethiopian women are to be given depo-provera without being fully informed and were in no way to be pressured to take it. Some are saying this is an admission that this did occur, others say that this was just to calm fears and backfired.

Meanwhile, a number of Ethopian Jewish women have said they were pressured or tricked into talking it.

The usage of depo-provera by Ethiopian Jews is far, far higher than for average Jews, to the extent that while being about 1-2% of the population they’re accounting for >50% of the depo-provera use in the country.

The argument has been made that this is explained by cultural reasons— the ethiopian women wanting to hide the contraception from their husbands. I haven’t seen any actual support for this argument.

So the biggest thing that needs explaining is what’s up with this enormously high depo-provera rate among Ethiopian Jews in Israel, and the individual women’s stories of being tricked or pressured.

Nothing definitive has been shown yet.

37 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:01:43pm

Argh.

Antisemitic hate site “Veterans Today” linked in Pages today. Me not pleased.

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:05:33pm

re: #36 Obdicut

Thank you. Related at this point, what kind of source is “The Young Turks”?

39 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:06:18pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

Thank you. Related at this point, what kind of source is “The Young Turks”?

Questionable. Highly partisan showmanship. Basically they’re the kind of people that Killgore tries to pretend Rachel Maddow is.

40 jaunte  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:06:24pm

re: #36 Obdicut

You’re liable to have Buck in here in a minute.

41 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:06:49pm

re: #12 Lidane

The seeds of a new RWNJ conspiracy are born:

I was thinking about this just a little bit ago… I bet the rightie nuts are already claiming ZOMGKONSIPRACEE!!!! about that sniper getting shot… Glad to see they don’t disappoint, I guess?

42 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:09:12pm

re: #40 jaunte

You’re liable to have Buck in here in a minute.

Buck mainly stays out of the main threads. And anyway, I don’t think I could have been fairer. The only facts are the women’s stories, the order from the health ministry to not do this, and the depo-provera use. I’m personally unconvinced by the cultural argument because I doubt that, if the motive is ‘hide contraception from your husbands’, that Ethopian Jews are the only ethnic group in Israel who have motive to do that, if they even do have motive to do that.

There’s also the possibility of the depo-provera usage statistic being wrong, of course.

43 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:09:24pm

re: #22 Sol Berdinowitz

Because America is basically Afghanistan.

I dunno, man. Seen the news lately? I’ve been thinking of making a sign with pull-away numbers that says “WELCOME TO AMERICA: __ HOURS WITHOUT A MASS SHOOTING”.

I’m bitterly wondering if Afghanistan might be safer…

44 Mattand  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:11:43pm

re: #11 Kid Skeeter

I’ll give Chris Wallace this: he basically just called LaPierre a liar for saying that the Obama girls’ school has armed security. Wallace said his own children went there and there was never armed security then and no armed security now. He looked at LaPierre and said that he and all the others ( like his own network??!! LOL) know it is not true.

I was thinking abou this earlier. As a conservative, you have to be really off your nut that even Fox News, an organization for whom facts are at best suggestions, won’t back you up.

45 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:13:53pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Fact is that there are quite a few high profile folks who have spoken out against Obama and any and all gun regulation. That includes everyone associated with the NRA. They’re still free to talk about their positions.

Kyle was murdered by a former soldier with PTSD. That’s no conspiracy. That’s a tragic combination of factors that led to the murder of two former soldiers, including one who was a highly decorated sniper. That Kyle also happened to be outspoken about gun rights was also a coincidence.

Occam’s Razor and all that.

But they consider Occam’s Razor as a weapon wielded by the enemy trying to take away their guns.

46 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:15:13pm

re: #35 Lidane

Don’t worry, they’re working on it:

What a dangerous idiot. During the first year of World War 2, several million allied troops armed with machine guns, tanks, artillery, and warplanes, failed to halt or even notably impede the Nazi conquest of continental Europe. The French army, 3 million strong, heavily fortified, and with both more and better tanks and artillery than the Germans, held out for barely a month. How does he think Jewish civilians with small arms could have done any better? They might well have stopped the first squad of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might even have done the same to the einsatzgruppe that followed. They would not have stopped the panzer grenadiers who would have arrived soon after that though.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:16:11pm

re: #44 Mattand

I was thinking abou this earlier. As a conservative, you have to be really off your nut that even Fox News, an organization for whom facts are at best suggestions, won’t back you up.

The recent mass-shooting tragedies have started to act as a powerful emetic, bringing up the noxious green bile that has been lingering in the pit of America’s collective stomach in the course of the gun control debate.

And even the conservatives have to distance themselves from this pool of fetid puke that has been spewing forth.

48 Skeetghazi  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:18:03pm

Who’s made their guac? I’m about ready to get down to it.

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:18:10pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

No need to argue it, there is almost no comparison between the political situation in Germany in 1933 and the one in America in 2013, no matter how hard they cherry-pick and/or distort the facts to make their point.

50 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:20:32pm

re: #48 Skeetghazi

Little later today-Guac/chips/Non traditional-Steaks and drinking California Tans. (Guinness floated on Sierra Nevada) Later home made bread pudding with cran raisins.

51 Mattand  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:21:02pm

re: #47 Sol Berdinowitz

The recent mass-shooting tragedies have started to act as a powerful emetic, bringing up the noxious green bile that has been lingering in the pit of America’s collective stomach in the course of the gun control debate.

And even the conservatives have to distance themselves from this pool of fetid puke that has been spewing forth.

If the conservatives I know and who post here are any indication, they’re sure taking their sweet time about it.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:21:59pm

re: #51 Mattand

If the conservatives I know and who post here are any indication, they’re sure taking their sweet time about it.

If Fox news is stepping back, that’s a powerful sign.

53 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:24:03pm

re: #50 Political Atheist

Little later today-Guac/chips/Non traditional-Steaks and drinking California Tans. (Guinness floated on Sierra Nevada) Later home made bread pudding with cran raisins.

I miss California so much, man.

54 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:24:30pm

I’m Ruthing out here with these alien cornballs.

55 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:24:55pm

Sensors detect bad craziness on Twitter today. Already happening. When that gun control ad hits the airwaves it will probably be worse.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:24:56pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

What a dangerous idiot. During the first year of World War 2, several million allied troops armed with machine guns, tanks, artillery, and warplanes, failed to halt or even notably impede the Nazi conquest of continental Europe. The French army, 3 million strong, heavily fortified, and with both more and better tanks and artillery than the Germans, held out for barely a month. How does he think Jewish civilians with small arms could have done any better? They might well have stopped the first squad of collaborationist police who arrived to round them up. With some luck, they might even have done the same to the einsatzgruppe that followed. They would not have stopped the panzer grenadiers who would have arrived soon after that though.

I’ve tried to explain that to a few folks more than once. Especially as that applies to the “Red Dawn” fantasy when here in the real world teh ebil gub’ment has helicopters & drones in addition to the rest of the usual military arms.

57 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:25:22pm

re: #52 Sol Berdinowitz

If Fox news is stepping back, that’s a powerful sign.

Don’t assume Wallace == Fox News.

58 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:26:02pm

re: #53 Obdicut

I miss California so much, man.

I miss warm weather so much.

59 erik_t  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:26:27pm

re: #57 b_sharp

Don’t assume Wallace == Fox News.

No, but we’re seeing similar stuff from the NY Post. Murdoch may have issued the marching orders.

60 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:26:45pm

re: #58 b_sharp

I miss warm weather so much.

Looking forward to temps in the 30s? ;)

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:27:16pm

re: #58 b_sharp

I miss warm weather so much.

Hey, it’s toasty warm up here today - 15 degrees above zero. Oh, that is Fahrenheit, not Celsius… ;)

62 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:28:15pm

re: #53 Obdicut

I miss California so much, man.

California and a few particular LGF-CA residents I can think of would certainly welcome you back for a visit, or a new home someday.

63 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:28:36pm

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

Anyone got a quick link to the actual reality behind the whole forced Ethiopian birth control issue? I’ve got a bunch of usefull idiots that need educating.

I think this is a fair assessment.
How true is it that Israel deceitfully gave Ethiopian Jews birth control injections?

64 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:29:28pm

re: #58 b_sharp

I miss warm weather so much.

It’s not just the warmth. The dry hills of Northern California have always been the place I felt the sanest and most grounded and I haven’t gotten more than a day trip there in years now.

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65 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:31:09pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

I think this is a fair assessment.
How true is it that Israel deceitfully gave Ethiopian Jews birth control injections?

That article doesn’t really dig very deep into it or frame what’s going on well, no.

In general, you’re not going to find unbiased, good articles ending with stuff like this, Killgore:

When it comes to pointing a big, white Western finger at Israel and accusing it of carrying out the kind crimes of racism and colonialism that the rest of us grew out of years ago – a favoured pastime of so many liberal campaigners today – it seems facts count for little.

66 lawhawk  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:31:40pm

re: #51 Mattand

It looks like if you follow the money, you may be seeing a reaction to the fringe and tea party types. The money is looking to protect establishment candidates and insulate against challenges from the right (tea party and the wackaloon wing).

67 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:34:19pm

re: #60 Gus

Looking forward to temps in the 30s? ;)

Even 30F would be an improvement.

68 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:35:33pm

re: #64 Obdicut

It’s not just the warmth. The dry hills of Northern California have always been the place I felt the sanest and most grounded and I haven’t gotten more than a day trip there in years now.

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Those look a lot like the valleys we have here.

69 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:36:44pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

Times like these beckon to wrapping oneself up in wingnut clothes to cash in.

70 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:38:29pm

re: #64 Obdicut

I love Northern California. Spent 10 days there a couple years ago and didn’t want to leave. I wish we could find work out there,I’d leave in a heartbeat, even if it meant downsizing some. I can’t explain it, there’s just something about the place. But for me it was the redwoods that brought such peace,the forest floor seems to soak up all outside sounds and the trees have this “thing” I can’t explain but I want to have my ashes scattered there when I die. Sigh.

We’re supposed to go to Yosemite, Kings Canyon and Sequoia this summer for another 10 days. Depends on the kiddo’s school and finding reliable people to take care of the house and critters while we’re gone.

71 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:39:00pm

re: #68 b_sharp

Those look a lot like the valleys we have here.

Where are you at?

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:39:01pm

re: #64 Obdicut

That does look like God’s own country, the sort of country he gave us firearms to protect…

/

73 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:39:19pm

re: #64 Obdicut

It’s not just the warmth. The dry hills of Northern California have always been the place I felt the sanest and most grounded and I haven’t gotten more than a day trip there in years now.

Image: Dutch-Creek-12-6401.jpg
Image: field-truck.png
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Here ya go…

Start your road trip.

74 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:39:42pm

re: #26 Gus

See, I read Golden Dawn and thought of Crowley.

75 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:39:57pm

re: #70 A Mom Anon

Fun fact: The area around Tahoe was totally logged before the turn of the century, and the guys who did it got so bummed out that they planted new trees there. That’s why there are so many redwoods there.

76 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:40:26pm

re: #71 Obdicut

Where are you at?

Saskatchewan.

Very flat where I am, but we have valleys cut into the flatness by the receding glaciers of 10,000 years ago.

77 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:42:09pm

re: #42 Obdicut

Buck’s freakout about the Depo-Provera story actually caused me to look into the Israeli Educational TV reporter who broke the story, and I discovered that she’s a reputable left-leaning journalist. The original story the way she reported it seems to be quite true - some Ethiopian women did say they were given the contraceptive without their knowledge.

Some sources took this bit of info and exaggerated it into “forced sterilization,” which it wasn’t. From what I’ve been able to dig up, it looks like a small-scale mistake — a serious mistake, but definitely not some vast racist conspiracy to sterilize immigrants.

78 makeitstop  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:43:10pm

Latest wingnut twist to the Kyle ‘conspiracy’ - the guy who shot him was ‘all loaded up on pharmaceuticals.’

Big Pharma!!1ty

79 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:44:26pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Agreed. Maddow is actually a journalist, but the Young Turks seem… propagandistic for their causes? And there’s a lack of… straight journalism/newscasterdom (?) in their online shows.

Professionalism?

IDK.

80 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:45:35pm

Sigh. Time to go out and shovel snow before it gets dark.
BBL

81 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:46:59pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Hmm, didn’t know that. We went up the coast from San Francisco to Crescent City and then drove all over the place to as many old growth forests as we could find. Spent one day at Crater Lake in Oregon, but the rest of the time driving and hiking and driving some more. I could live there.

If you get the chance, read The Wild Trees by Richard Preston. It’s about the redwoods and the scientists who study them, one of the few books I could actually get my husband to read (that’s not action/adventure fiction). He was so taken by the book that he planned that trip and surprised us with it.

82 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:47:41pm
83 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:49:14pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Argh.

Antisemitic hate site “Veterans Today” linked in Pages today. Me not pleased.

WTF! Who linked to that shit?

84 mr.fusion  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:49:50pm

Well, the Drudge headline/link to Gateway Pundit has been completely removed. The Panetta “story” isn’t even on the site anymore — at least as far as I can tell

85 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:50:41pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

It could be a lot of things. It could have been just one doctor’s office, one clinic that they set up in Ethiopia. It could even be ‘left-wing’ doctors aggressively pushing depo-provera on Ethiopian women by making the same assumption as Buck, that their husbands pressure them into having kids or would otherwise react negatively to them being on birth control. It’s unlikely to have been a systematic thing where the immigration officials sat down and said “Now how can we keep those durn Beta Israel from reproducing so much, because as Jews, we’re all about stopping people, especially other Jews, from reproducing”.

I don’t want to just discount the women’s stories, and the statistic— which is sourced back, in the stories I’ve read, to the Israeli reporter citing a government report, so if she is reputable it’s unlikely to be that wrong— of depo-provera use being so much higher is worrying, but it’s not that worrying, since depo isn’t that common a choice among women anyway. So it is possible there’s something about Ethiopian Jews and depo-provera that’s a big match, but the ‘because they want to hide it from their husbands’ comes from a claim by a doctor, and that weirds me out because the story only broke because the women were talking about it, so if they wanted to hide it from their husbands then contacting a reporter is a rather odd way to go about it.

86 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:51:07pm

re: #84 mr.fusion

Well, the Drudge headline has been completely removed. The Panetta “story: isn’t even on the site anymore — at least as far as I can tell

They never admit they were wrong, they just start onto the next derp.

87 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:51:38pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Buck’s freakout about the Depo-Provera story actually caused me to look into the Israeli Educational TV reporter who broke the story, and I discovered that she’s a reputable left-leaning journalist. The original story the way she reported it seems to be quite true - some Ethiopian women did say they were given the contraceptive without their knowledge.

Some sources took this bit of info and exaggerated it into “forced sterilization,” which it wasn’t. From what I’ve been able to dig up, it looks like a small-scale mistake — a serious mistake, but definitely not some vast racist conspiracy to sterilize immigrants.

I heard similar conspiracy tales when I lived in Israel 40 years ago—about the Yemenites.

88 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:53:10pm
89 erik_t  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:54:25pm

re: #88 Gus

@seculardotorg Super Bowl Sunday: Poll: Quarter of Americans say God influences sporting events [Link: bit.ly…] #superbowl

They count me in their number. I mean, I defy anyone to come up with any other explanation for the Bills.

/

90 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:56:35pm

‘Bump fire’ devices turn rifles into machine guns: How is that legal?

A defense of assault-style rifles like the AR-15 used in the Sandy Hook massacre is that they’re basically just semi-automatic rifles with cosmetic improvements. In other words, each bullet needs an individual trigger pull in order to explode out of the barrel. Actual spray-trigger machine guns, after all, have been illegal on the civilian market since 1986.

But debate around so-called “bump fire” devices that “simulate” automatic fire by utilizing a rifle’s recoil to shoot the next bullet have caused some to wonder whether the devices could inspire a bureaucratic reclassification of assault weapons into machine guns, which in turn could lead to a de facto ban without Congress getting involved. That question may be politically sharper now, especially since an all-out assaults weapon ban, according to University of Virginia political scientist Larry Sabato, is “dead in the water.”

“If the ATF wants to now come and ban [bump fire devices], they basically have to modify the definition of a machine gun,” Jeremy Cottle, an Iraq War veteran and inventor of the Slide Fire stock, told the Guns America blog.

91 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 12:58:14pm

Early rumors floating around that Bethesda is recruiting voice actors for Fallout 4

92 dragonfire1981  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:00:37pm

re: #91 Kragar

Early rumors floating around that Bethesda is recruiting voice actors for Fallout 4

I’d be willing to bet that will be a next gen title (Playstation 4/Xbox 720)

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:01:39pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

I heard similar conspiracy tales when I lived in Israel 40 years ago—about the Yemenites.

I may personally have a huge problem with Buck, but he does have a grain of salt in that this story has turned into a far more sinister story. It’s what I call the Holocaust Paradox. The Holocaust Paradox is that even though Jews were one of the chief victims of the Holocaust, nowadays if Jews do anything even slightly reminiscent of the Holocaust in any way (which is a very broad category— the Nazis were excessive, not that inventive) it’s judged far more harshly than if other countries do it. In other words, that being the victims of the Holocaust placed a moral obligation on Jews to be better than other people.

So because this story has a vague overtone of eugenics, it reminds people of the Holocaust, and so it makes people go “Jews acting like Nazis!” It’s a cliche, it’s Manichean, I don’t know what it is, but it blows.

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:02:45pm

re: #90 Kragar

‘Bump fire’ devices turn rifles into machine guns: How is that legal?

I have heard that these devices make a gun all but impossible to aim, but if you are firing into a mass target…

95 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:04:38pm

re: #88 Gus

27% crazification.

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:05:13pm

re: #93 Obdicut

So because this story has a vague overtone of eugenics, it reminds people of the Holocaust, and so it makes people go “Jews acting like Nazis!” It’s a cliche, it’s Manichean, I don’t know what it is, but it blows.

There’s an ugly nuance to it: antisemites see the Jews as “using the Holocaust” to “escape blame” for the evil they are purportedly still wreaking on the Gentile world.

If there were irregularities, they should be investigated and corrected. End of story.

97 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:09:18pm

re: #93 Obdicut

The Holocaust Paradox is that even though Jews were one of the chief victims of the Holocaust, nowadays if Jews do anything even slightly reminiscent of the Holocaust in any way (which is a very broad category— the Nazis were excessive, not that inventive) it’s judged far more harshly than if other countries do it. In other words, that being the victims of the Holocaust placed a moral obligation on Jews to be better than other people.

As a goy, I’ve seen that. Agreed.

I still don’t know what the Israelis are up to, given your lens.

98 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:10:30pm

re: #92 dragonfire1981

I’d be willing to bet that will be a next gen title (Playstation 4/Xbox 720)

While PC remains PC

99 Kragar  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:13:25pm

Off to the store, later

100 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:14:27pm

re: #31 Awea

I can see why the Gun Nutz are screaming for his head. He showed some backbone and made LaPierre look like a buffoon.

Flustered LaPierre

Next will come the charge that LaPierre was “AMBUSHED!!1”. Unlike most wingnut charges, this will strike a chord with some nonwingnuts who hear it, as Chris Wallace’s father was known for ‘ambush reporting’.

But I saw the footage and the question was no ambush: It was simply Chris Wallace using his knowledge and ability to argue to smack down a brain-dead talking point. He treated LaPierre fairly, and gave the man plenty of time to make his case. But when LaPierre could not do so, Wallace was not afraid to say that LaPierre had failed and to explain why.

All in all, a tough but fair interview.

101 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:15:34pm

re: #93 Obdicut

I may personally have a huge problem with Buck, but he does have a grain of salt in that this story has turned into a far more sinister story. It’s what I call the Holocaust Paradox. The Holocaust Paradox is that even though Jews were one of the chief victims of the Holocaust, nowadays if Jews do anything even slightly reminiscent of the Holocaust in any way (which is a very broad category— the Nazis were excessive, not that inventive) it’s judged far more harshly than if other countries do it. In other words, that being the victims of the Holocaust placed a moral obligation on Jews to be better than other people.

So because this story has a vague overtone of eugenics, it reminds people of the Holocaust, and so it makes people go “Jews acting like Nazis!” It’s a cliche, it’s Manichean, I don’t know what it is, but it blows.

If the Israelis could perpetrate a birth control program on unsuspecting women belonging to unpopular demographic groups, don’t you think they would do it to the Haredim (especially the Sephardic Haredim, who vote for the Shas party)?

That shows how much they suck at population control.

102 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:16:24pm

re: #40 jaunte

You’re liable to have Buck in here in a minute.

Given his recent meltdown, where he deleted most, if not all, of his pages, and hasn’t been seen posting since, I’m guessing the likelyhood of that approaches zero.

103 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:16:47pm

Looking on the bright side, the Drudge link pretty much killed Hoft’s site while it was up. Couldn’t get on at all for a while.

104 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:17:16pm
105 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:18:22pm

re: #102 RadicalModerate

Given his recent meltdown, where he deleted most, if not all, of his pages, and hasn’t been seen posting since, I’m guessing the likelyhood of that approaches zero.

He’s been having a poo fight with an anti-Israel poster on an old aigle thread.

106 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:20:55pm

Yes America. God influences professional football games in which players, owners, and advertisers make billions of dollars per year while a young boy in Africa makes a soccer ball from “plastic bags twined with tree bark.”

*I realize that 27% isn’t exactly a massive number.

107 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:21:54pm

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

If the Israelis could perpetrate a birth control program on unsuspecting women belonging to unpopular demographic groups, don’t you think they would do it to the Haredim (especially the Sephardic Haredim, who vote for the Shas party)?

That shows how much they suck at population control.

Well, that’s what I thought of with the explanation of depo use being higher among Ethiopian Jews because they were hiding it from their husbands. If that’s the explanation, then there are some ‘ultra-orthodox’ groups where one could assume that you’d want to hide any contraception use from your husband. Or parents.

I am having trouble finding any statement by the Israeli government actually either saying it didn’t happen or that it did happen. I’m not treating the “Don’t do this, whatever you do” memo as an admission that it occurred.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:22:54pm

re: #94 Sol Berdinowitz

I have heard that these devices make a gun all but impossible to aim, but if you are firing into a mass target…

It’s very hard to aim with them, unless you’ve got lots of training and practice. Thankfully, the latest such device has not been used in any crimes (yet).

109 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:22:59pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

He’s been having a poo fight with an anti-Israel poster on an old aigle thread.

Okay, I’ve learned two things here.
1) I need to turn on spy mode more often
2) Damn, that is some weapons-grade OCD going on there.

110 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:24:52pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

He’s been having a poo fight with an anti-Israel poster on an old aigle thread.

Fighting between Buck and ‘War on Music” over a thread posted by a bot.

Now there’s a hole with no bottom.

111 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:25:39pm
112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:32:06pm

re: #111 Gus

Bad Gus, you broke the thread again!

113 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:34:23pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Bad Gus, you broke the tread again!

Damn tires. //

114 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:35:25pm

re: #111 Gus

Reading through the #RolandsRules right now. Holy crap these are some awesome tweets.

115 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:36:25pm

re: #114 RadicalModerate

Reading through the #RolandsRules right now. Holy crap these are some awesome tweets.

Ewwwwwwwww.

116 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:38:33pm
117 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:39:15pm

re: #116 Gus

Sorry kids. God’s busy intervening in football games.

118 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:39:42pm
119 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:41:53pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Mike, for the love of all that is holy, stay the hell away from /sp/ over on 4chan.

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:43:29pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Is he THE Godwin?

121 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:43:46pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Qwls are fricking awesom! Take that back or… I may TYPE more at you!!!eleventy!!!

122 RadicalModerate  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:43:53pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Is he THE Godwin?

Yes. One and the same.

123 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:45:13pm

T.H.U.N.D.E.R.D.E.R.P.S. ARE GO!

124 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:45:48pm

re: #122 RadicalModerate

Yes. One and the same.

Mike Godwin
@sfmnemonic

American attorney and author, first staff counsel of EFF, creator of the Internet adage Godwin’s Law. Constitutional lawyer. inter alia. Joker on Twitter.

125 Kid Skeeter  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:46:41pm

re: #82 Kragar

Etch A Sketch Inventor Dies at 86

Mitt Romey died?
//

126 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:47:59pm

Superb Owls rock tha joint, y’all.

They’re all stealthy and cool (nature’s ninja’s, y’all!) and turnin’ their heads around and horking up a pellet and then VOOM: dead mouse.

Superb Owls come silently in the night.

127 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:48:21pm

re: #125 Kid Skeeter

Mitt Romey died?
//

No, no…Rmoney didn’t invent the Etch-A-Sketch, he just flogged the shit out of it like he stole it.

///

128 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:48:43pm

re: #116 Gus

I notice that in some of the film from the celebrations yesterday. In much of North Africa (Morocco, Egypt) it’s not uncommon to see the occasional satellite dish on even the most humble tin roof shack. I didn’t see any of that in the footage from Mali.
Pro Tip: When navigating an unfamiliar city pay attention to the satellite dishes. They always point south.

129 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:48:58pm

Sup’, ‘er bowls?

130 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:49:19pm

re: #126 chadu

Superb Owls rock tha joint, y’all.

They’re all stealthy and cool (nature’s ninja’s, y’all!) and turnin’ their heads around and horking up a pellet and then VOOM: dead mouse.

Superb Owls come silently in the night.

Beh, cats do all of that but hork up pellets and they look good doing it, too.

131 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:49:54pm

Supper Bowl

132 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:50:32pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Pro Tip: When navigating an unfamiliar city pay attention to the satellite dishes. They always point south.

Curse you Killgore,

Yours sincerly
Lost in Tasmania.
/

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:51:26pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

I notice that in some of the film from the celebrations yesterday. In much of North Africa (Morocco, Egypt) it’s not uncommon to see the occasional satellite dish on even the most humble tin roof shack. I didn’t see any of that in the footage from Mali.
Pro Tip: When navigating an unfamiliar city pay attention to the satellite dishes. They always point south.

Satellite dishes are like traditional Chinese compasses in that way.

(In traditional China, south is the sacred direction and compasses were made with the main needle pointing south when fully aligned.)

134 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:51:58pm
135 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:52:30pm

re: #132 Usually refered to as anyways

Curse you Killgore,

Yours sincerly
Lost in Tasmania.
/

Well, it only applies north of the Equator. If you’re down in Cape Town, for example, the dishes would point north.

136 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:53:43pm
137 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:56:06pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

138 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:57:22pm

You know who else liked owls?

//

139 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:58:34pm

re: #111 Gus

That looks good.

140 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:58:46pm

Prepare for gun nut nuclear meltdown on Twitter.

141 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 1:59:12pm

Not quite Pageworthy but amusing and interesting. Joseph Gordon Levitt turns the tables on the paparazzi

[Link: www.petapixel.com…]

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:00:49pm

re: #56 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve tried to explain that to a few folks more than once. Especially as that applies to the “Red Dawn” fantasy when here in the real world teh ebil gub’ment has helicopters & drones in addition to the rest of the usual military arms.

Not to mention that without a valid AAA capability eventually an AC-130 would be brought in.

143 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:02:03pm

re: #111 Gus

And now I want mustard or collard greens.

HATE YOU. ///

144 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:02:47pm

re: #143 chadu

And now I want mustard or collard greens.

HATE YOU. ///

#StruggleChicken

145 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:04:58pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I got some cats, and nope, owls are more fly when horkin, yo.

146 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:05:42pm

re: #138 Gus

You know who else liked owls?

//

Athena?

147 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:06:47pm

re: #142 Feline Fearless Leader

Not to mention that without a valid AAA capability eventually an AC-130 would be brought in.

And in fact in Red Dawn Mi-24 Hinds are eventually brought in against the Wolverines. These are depicted as original Hind-A/B models with a standard cockpit, rather the definite two man stepped cockpit of the Hind D, because the filmmakers could not produce a flyable mockup of the Hind D and wanted the depicted units in the film to look like what Soviet vehicles and helicopters looked like in real life.

When the Hinds show up, the Wolverines try to fight them but are put to flight with the loss of one of their own. Though one of the Hinds is crippled, it is not seen exploding or crashing and thus was presumably able to make an emergency landing.

148 Skeetghazi  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:09:01pm

re: #140 Gus

Prepare for gun nut nuclear meltdown on Twitter.

I’m hoping one of the commercials is a PSA about gun violence that will freak the shit out of the freaks. And make the rest of America stand up.

The Newtown singers should do it, but it’s not commercial enough.

We need the Budweiser Frogs or something.

#demandaplan #gunsbeforepeople

149 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:10:06pm

re: #148 Skeetghazi

I’m hoping one of the commercials is a PSA about gun violence that will freak the shit out of the freaks. And make the rest of America stand up.

The Newtown singers should do it, but it’s not commercial enough.

We need the Budweiser Frogs or something.

#demandaplan #gunsbeforepeople

That’s the plan.

150 Skeetghazi  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:11:17pm

re: #149 Gus

That’s the plan.

sweet

151 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:13:17pm

Snow. Everywhere I look is snow.

All I do is move it from one place where it’s in my way now to a place where it will be in my way in spring.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:13:29pm

heh. Ad on the Military Channel just now.

Get your ObamaCare Survival Guide for only $19.95.

Protect yourself, your family, your business.

Pure fear mongering.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:14:06pm

re: #149 Gus

That’s the plan.

I don’t think the impact will be as much as Bloomberg hopes, though he can afford to spend big bucks on an ad that does not offer compromise. One of the perks of being a billionaire, I figure.

154 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:14:39pm

re: #150 Skeetghazi

sweet

Wingnut Splodey Head Checklist:

[x] Beyonce
[x] Newtown Chorus
[x] Gun Control PSA

I’m sure there’ll be moew.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:16:50pm

re: #152 Feline Fearless Leader

heh. Ad on the Military Channel just now.

Get your ObamaCare Survival Guide for only $19.95.

Protect yourself, your family, your business.

Pure fear mongering.

Actually, I saw someone reading that book on the CTA last week. From what I saw, its actually a good bit less crazy than you’d expect. This is because it contains what it purports to be advice for navigating the system Obamacare will put into place, in normal people terms, as opposed to insane Sovereign Citizen terms.

Still may have a good deal of DERP in it, though.

156 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:18:09pm

re: #154 Gus

Wingnut Splodey Head Checklist:

[x] Beyonce
[x] Newtown Chorus
[x] Gun Control PSA

I’m sure there’ll be moew.

[x] San Francisco wins the Super Bowl. Scenes of man kissing other men in celebration in San Fran cause loud shrieks of hate on Twitter.

157 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:23:04pm

re: #151 b_sharp

I feel you man. Once February, our shortest month is over, it’s all down hill. March snow never lasts.

158 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:25:46pm

OT Drive-by - This a bizarre & fascinating story about a family that was discovered living in a remote part of Siberia in 1978 by some Russian geologists:

For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II

159 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:28:25pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by - This a bizarre & fascinating story about a family that was discovered living in a remote part of Siberia in 1978 by some Russian geologists:

For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II

Yeah, someone posted this in a thread earlier this week; I don’t know if you did it or someone else.

Fascinating, yet heartbreaking as well.

160 chadu  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:28:52pm

re: #134 Charles Johnson

[Link: cheezburger.com…]

161 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:30:46pm

re: #159 TedStriker

Yeah, someone posted this in a thread earlier this week; I don’t know if you did it or someone else.

Fascinating, yet heartbreaking as well.

Wasn’t me. I just now saw it thanks to the Smithsonian newsletter. I love that magazine. It is sad.

162 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:32:08pm

re: #160 chadu

[Link: cheezburger.com…]

That site has a very large dose of Cute on its front page, too:

[Link: i.chzbgr.com…]

163 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:33:07pm

re: #157 Amory Blaine

I feel you man. Once February, our shortest month is over, it’s all down hill. March snow never lasts.

It doesn’t? I take it you aren’t above the 50th parallel.

164 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:35:24pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by - This a bizarre & fascinating story about a family that was discovered living in a remote part of Siberia in 1978 by some Russian geologists:

For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II

I can’t wait to see Werner Herzog’s “Happy People: a Year in the Taiga”

I must admit that, admittedly, I adore Herzog for admittedly irrational reasons. Admittedly, this I admit.

165 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:36:44pm

re: #163 b_sharp

I live in Wisconsin.

166 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:39:21pm

re: #158 CuriousLurker

OT Drive-by - This a bizarre & fascinating story about a family that was discovered living in a remote part of Siberia in 1978 by some Russian geologists:

For 40 Years, This Russian Family Was Cut Off From All Human Contact, Unaware of World War II

Certainly puts the current survivalist/”preppers” into perspective, doesn’t it?

167 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:42:09pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Certainly puts the current survivalist/”preppers” into perspective, doesn’t it?

It sure does. O_o

168 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:43:48pm

Marlin Wins.

Fishermen battling a massive black marlin off the coast of Panama took a turn for the worse when the fighting fish appeared to sink their boat.

Seen in a shocking sequence of photos capturing the event on Thursday, the boat teeters toward the hooked marlin splashing above the waves before gradually capsizing and vanishing in the deep.

As both astonishing and affirming as the pictures appear, that this single marlin surely out took an entire boat and its crew, the boat’s alleged manufacturer close to those involved explains otherwise.

It was allegedly a captain’s error that submerged the ship following a rogue wave that knocked him off balance, the source wrote with Marlin Magazine’s photo of the incident on their Facebook wall.

The manufacturer was quick to defend the ship’s strength and performance writing that the boat has previously captured ‘hundreds of Marlin without issue or concern.


Flawless Victory.

169 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:44:36pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

I live in Wisconsin.

Ah, the warm weather must be nice.

Just kidding. My winter is likely a little longer than yours. Snow doesn’t usually start disappearing until late March around here, although there have been years lately where the snow is partially gone by that time.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:45:12pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

Certainly puts the current survivalist/”preppers” into perspective, doesn’t it?

At least one of the smarter ones of that crowd considers this family an example of what not to do, knowing that long term survival does ultimately mean trading with others.

171 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:46:37pm

re: #168 Dark_Falcon

Marlin Wins.


Flawless Victory.

I can’t help but root for the underfish.

172 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:49:08pm

re: #171 b_sharp

I can’t help but root for the underfish.

It’s only when dealing with sharks humans and orcas that a marlin is the lesser. Against smaller fish, it feeds by speeding into a school of them, cutting them with its sword, and then eating those it has wounded and killed.

173 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 2:57:42pm

re: #169 b_sharp

Yep. I’m probably a bit north of Amory Blaine and snow lasts through March.

I have a solid 1-1.5 inches of ice under packed snow in the driveway(after last week’s melt/snow/deep freeze/snow). When the melt finally comes it’s going to be one big puddle.

174 William of Orange  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:09:51pm

Mitt Romney will be crying hemself to sleep tonight….

Andre Cassagnes, inventor of the Etch-a Sketch, died at the age of 86.

175 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:16:06pm

WHYY is having a mini marathon of Downton Abbey.

176 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:18:27pm

Where is everybody?

Have the aliens finally arrived?

177 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:18:30pm

Here’s Arkansas state senator Jason Rapert, sounding like a parody of 1948.

Imagine if there had been a civil war about 150 years ago or so. Just think how differently guys like that would think today.

178 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:19:59pm

re: #176 b_sharp

Where is everybody?

Have the aliens finally arrived?

The Superbowl is about to start.

179 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:21:26pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

The Superbowl is about to start.

So?

I’d rather have a chili bowl.

180 freetoken  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:22:25pm

re: #174 William of Orange

Mitt Romney will be crying hemself to sleep tonight….

Andre Cassagnes, inventor of the Etch-a Sketch, died at the age of 86.

What! No more clean slate Presidential candidates?

181 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:24:07pm

re: #179 b_sharp

So?

I’d rather have a chili bowl.

Don’t worry. It’s like a funeral.

182 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:24:16pm

Maybe a wake.

183 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:26:12pm

re: #182 Gus

Maybe a wake.

Lots of booze, lots of useless prayers and lots of wailing?

184 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:26:13pm
185 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:26:40pm

Patriots should have been there, give the whole country somebody to root against. :-)

186 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:28:53pm

re: #183 b_sharp

Lots of booze, lots of useless prayers and lots of wailing?

I’m waiting for the benediction.

187 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:29:18pm

Been a while since I watched football. They all look so pampered.

188 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:29:32pm

re: #186 Gus

I’m waiting for the benediction.

owa
tagoo
fyam.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:29:35pm

Feline Overlords took a spin out in the hall. L.C. was on the far side of the building when the elevator pinged indicating an arrival. He timed his scramble for the apartment just right to almost trip the person coming out of the elevator. Must be some instinctive timing thing.

No injuries, just startled them as a black cat streaked by in a totally unexpected spot. Hope they aren’t superstitious either.

190 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:29:55pm

You can watch live here: [Link: www.cbssports.com…]

191 freetoken  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:30:10pm

There’s a silver lining in every cloud:


At Work: Climate change can provide job opportunities

192 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:30:22pm

Damn, I had tails.

And I was so looking forward to that free Papa John’s pizza.

193 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:30:57pm

re: #138 Gus

You know who else liked owls?

//

Harry Potter?

194 freetoken  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:31:00pm

Because “sea level” is too technical a term for a headline:

Scientists try to see how high the oceans can go from warming

195 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:31:04pm

re: #187 Gus

Been a while since I watched football. They all look so pampered.

I’m watching Auntie Mame.

Today is wife’s choice day.

Actually every day is wife’s choice day.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:32:06pm

Hmm, no new thread for the Superb Owl kick-off?

197 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:32:20pm

Kicker did a sign of the cross.

198 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:32:44pm

One of the players has tattoo with the word “God” something or another.

199 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:32:46pm

re: #197 Gus

Kicker did a sign of the cross.

God Damn!!

200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:32:46pm

re: #189 Feline Fearless Leader

Feline Overlords took a spin out in the hall. L.C. was on the far side of the building when the elevator pinging indicating an arrival. He timed his scramble for the apartment just right to almost trip the person coming out of the elevator. Must be some instinctive timing thing.

No injuries, just startled them as a black cat streaked by in a totally unexpected spot. Hope they aren’t superstitious either.

Display of supremacy, reminding the arriving human of its obligation to defer to the Feline Overlord.

201 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:34:17pm
202 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:35:00pm

re: #194 freetoken

Because “sea level” is too technical a term for a headline:

Scientists try to see how high the oceans can go from warming

Words are hard.

203 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:35:18pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

I like the ones in the black tights.

204 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:35:22pm

(I’m doing taxes. Not mine. I don’t do mine until April.)

205 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:36:01pm

re: #195 b_sharp

I’m watching Auntie Mame.

Today is wife’s choice day.

Actually every day is wife’s choice day.

The Music Man is next! Our tv is taken over by the football monster.

206 Gus  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:36:06pm

Sproink.

207 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:36:48pm

Oooh, Spanglish!

Bad Spanglish.

208 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:37:02pm

re: #205 prairiefire

The Music Man is next! Our tv is taken over by the football monster.

Sounds like you’ve got some trouble, right there in River City. ;)

209 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:37:46pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

(I’m doing taxes. Not mine. I don’t do mine until April.)

I really like the Outright application that ties my PayPal and Ebay fees together for me. I can control my cost of goods sold and expenses easily as well.

210 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:39:22pm

re: #207 wrenchwench

Oooh, Spanglish!

Bad Spanglish.

Baltimuerte! I love it.

211 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:43:09pm

re: #209 prairiefire

Best avatar yet. Although I can’t remember all of them well enough to say for sure….

212 Political Atheist  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 3:49:59pm

re: #209 prairiefire

New avatar, or have I been slow to notice? Sunrise… What morning person photogs like to shoot. (Not me, sunset kinda guy)

213 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 4:02:36pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

re: #212 Political Atheist

Thank you! The missouri river is running along the horizon and I think it reflects back the sunlight. I used to live in an old house with big windows on a bluff by the river. The sunsets would fill the upstairs rooms with blood orange colors. Kind of made up for the ghetto neighborhood.
I miss that house. A brick two story New York townhouse style, turn of the century.

I stole that photo off a friend’s facebook picture album. He took it from his loft. Anyway, when I swiped it from the Facebook album page, it looks like it spreads out further, lengthwise in the avatar!

214 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 4:04:44pm

re: #116 Gus

Apple cores! Deat Rats! Nothing! Absolutely Nothing!

215 JeffFX  Sun, Feb 3, 2013 7:41:50pm

I just found out from a friend (who didn’t know that I know the victim) that a waitress at the Denny’s I eat at regularly was brutally murdered. She was a friendly, pretty baby-faced girl.

She seems to have chosen her friends very poorly due to her own background, as they look like they’d do exactly what they did.

There’s already a racist in the comments using these scumbags to disparage the DREAM act.

[Link: www.chicagotribune.com…]

This sucks.


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