Glenn Greenwald and IAVA’s Paul Rieckhoff Get Into a Shouting Match on “Real Time”

Confronting the Mighty G
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Last night’s Bill Maher show featured a panel with Paul Rieckhoff of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) and the Mighty Glenn Greenwald, who got into a very heated exchange beginning when Greenwald asserted that US troops in Iraq should be considered terrorists.

It turned into a full-blown yelling match when Rieckhoff said Edward Snowden was “hiding in Russia,” and should come back to the US and “face the music” — at which point Greenwald interrupted him with, “That is total bullshit.”

And it got even louder and more contentious when Rieckhoff pressed Greenwald further on the issue of whether Snowden’s leaked documents have endangered American lives. I have to say kudos to Mr. Rieckhoff for confronting Greenwald over his “aggressive certainty” that nobody could possibly be harmed by the information he’s released. Greenwald’s attitude about this issue is incredibly cavalier, and it was good to see someone who didn’t just accept his facile rationalizations for a change.

After the show, Rieckhoff posted the following on Twitter:

So you’d assume this meant there was mutual respect, no hard feelings, that kind of thing, right?

Well, you don’t know Glenn Greenwald then, because he also took to Twitter to post several comments sniping at Rieckhoff:

You can almost see the sneer.

So Greenwald went with @PaulRieckhoff after the show and had a drink, I would assume acted friendly, then came back on Twitter and immediately started trashing him. Pure class.

Greenwald’s fans, meanwhile, replied to his tweets about endangering CIA agents with even more class:

I love how he wishes for all these people to be murdered, then ends it with a smiley face.

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648 comments
1 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 4:27:59pm

PUTIN IS ALL POWERFUL BUT EVEN HE COULDN’T GET SNOWDEN PAST AN AEROFLOT GATE CLERK AND ONTO A PLANE, HE’S ONLY HUMAN

2 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 4:31:37pm

Happy 47th Birthday Pierre Omidyar.

Somehow I reminded of how in the past some of the extremely wealthy would collect a menagerie

(from downstairs)

3 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 21, 2014 4:40:06pm

He just has to tear down everyone who is not him, doesn’t he?

4 sauceruney  Jun 21, 2014 4:40:31pm

Rieckhoff said endangered, not killed. Nice how Greenwald has to continue to distort the truth in an attempt to make himself look good.

Edit - listening again, he asked how Greenwald knows he hasn’t gotten people killed, which arguably isn’t the same as accusing him of getting them killed.

5 bratwurst  Jun 21, 2014 4:41:57pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

He just has to tear down everyone who is not him, doesn’t he?

I would really like to know if he thinks anyone has made a valid criticism of him EVER.

6 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 4:44:32pm

re: #5 bratwurst

I would really like to know if he thinks anyone has made a valid criticism of him EVER.

Maher is his ally and he pissed him off by attacking Bill’s buddy Richard Clarke.

What a loathsome creature.

7 Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2014 4:44:36pm

Dude, he suggested Snowden was guilty of a crime! KILL HIM!!!

8 Targetpractice  Jun 21, 2014 4:48:49pm

Hmm, might have gone too far with the parody. It killed the thread.

9 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 4:50:38pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Sometimes that happens.

10 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 4:50:55pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Hmm, might have gone too far with the parody. It killed the thread.

I made a pot of pinto beans. Burnt my lip tasting one. Kinda in pain.

11 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 4:51:23pm

I love how his first response to someone challenging him is a combination of reversal of burden of proof AND demanding proof of a negative. It’s like the schoolboy, “Nuh-uh, prove I didn’t!” argument, played out on the global media stage. The Hypnowald, it appears, is eternally 10 years old.

12 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 4:51:33pm

Amateur move.

13 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 4:51:50pm

By the way, folks - new feature! We now have a complete icon font that you can use in comments and Pages: the Font Awesome icons.

Here’s a complete list of all the icons in the font, and if you can click on one it shows you the code to make it appear. And here are some examples.

And you can even do things like this:

14 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 4:54:37pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Wow. Thank you Charles for improving this website. :)

15 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 4:56:45pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

I made a pot of pinto beans. Burnt my lip tasting one. Kinda in pain.

You tasted the pot?

No wonder you burnt your lips

16 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 4:56:52pm

re: #14 PhillyPretzel

Wow. Thank you Charles for improving this website. :)

Improving websites is a must, I heard that freerepublic.com was really considering going color.

//

17 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:00:22pm

You can even make these icons really large.

18 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:00:29pm

re: #15 sattv4u2

You tasted the pot?

No wonder you burnt your lips

The bean was on fire.

19 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:01:41pm

fa-spoon

20 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:01:48pm

Oops

21 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 5:02:16pm

What kind of drink does Greenwald drink?

I’m trying to imagine what drink fits his personality and the closest thing that comes to mind is him being a Dewar’s and Soda kind of guy, they’re always jerks.

//

22 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:02:28pm

23 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:03:43pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

That’s fa-bomb

24 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:03:53pm

How do you enbiggen?

25 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:04:17pm

I’m not seeing any of these. I just reloaded the page.

26 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:04:46pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

How do you enbiggen?

Just add a class for the size you want: fortawesome.github.io

27 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:05:30pm

fa-fire

28 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:05:43pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

I’m not seeing any of these. I just reloaded the page.

Ah, it’s me being in Spy mode what’s done it. Boo hiss.

29 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:05:47pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

How do you enbiggen?

fa-3x

30 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2014 5:05:51pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

By the way, folks - new feature! We now have a complete icon font that you can use in comments and Pages: the Font Awesome icons.

Here’s a complete list of all the icons in the font, and if you can click on one it shows you the code to make it appear. And here are some examples.

And you can even do things like this:

Very kewl. Thanks!

31 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:06:01pm

re: #28 thedopefishlives

Ah, it’s me being in Spy mode what’s done it. Boo hiss.

Coming soon to Spy mode.

32 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:06:30pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Coming soon to Spy mode.

You’re the best. No, really, I mean it.

33 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:06:44pm

Greenwald’s got a voice that was made for newspaper. God he’s annoying to listen to.

34 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:08:21pm

Now visible in Spy mode.

35 Shazam  Jun 21, 2014 5:08:42pm

Just once I’d like to see someone confront GG on a show not only about negative consequences of his leaks, but what exactly good came out of them. Seems all of his bombshells have been duds. No one really challenges him on the fact that all of his actual claims are without merit.

36 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2014 5:08:58pm

Dammit, Firefox. The spinning ones are all jittery in FF, but they’re fine in Chrome, Safari, and IE.

37 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:09:02pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Now visible in Spy mode.

To borrow a quote, BAM!

38 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:09:27pm

39 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:09:48pm

re: #35 Shazam

Just once I’d like to see someone confront GG on a show not only about negative consequences of his leaks, but what exactly good came out of them. Seems all of his bombshells have been duds. No one really challenges him on the fact that all of his actual claims are without merit.

Question The Hypnowald? OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

40 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2014 5:09:54pm

re: #29 darthstar

fa-3x

Um, excuse me, but I believe that’s mine. //

41 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:10:48pm

In which Greenwald conflates personal privacy with not giving away your password, esp to internet crooks and hackers like Snowden and suggesting that you cannot make decisions based on your own personal ethics but just on what other people think. Maybe that’s the way he thinks, but if I don’t go to porn sites, it’s because I’m not interested in porn, not because I worry about what other people might think of me nor afraid of the govt finding out. Additionally, if I’m careful online, it’s because I wasn’t born yesterday and know there are people out there who would stalk, rob, or just make life miserable if I offered too much information to strangers. There are plenty of precautions you must take in life, and worrying about whether the govt is “spying” on me isn’t one of them.

I let those who would harm us as a society worry about that.

42 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:11:34pm

fa-dudebro

43 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:12:06pm
44 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:12:34pm

re: #42 darthstar

fa-dudebro

I should have put that in fa-spoiler.

45 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 5:12:37pm

It even responds to Dudebro font.

Awesome.

46 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:12:45pm

You can see them on iPhone. I am sorry I cannot figure how to use them. :/

47 CuriousLurker  Jun 21, 2014 5:13:12pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Now visible in Spy mode.

WTF? They’re not jittery in the Spy in FF.

48 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:13:22pm

re: #40 CuriousLurker

Um, excuse me, but I believe that’s mine. //

too bulky for a vest, no !?!?!

//

49 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:14:09pm

Don’t pay attention to how long it is taking me.

50 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:14:33pm

Damn, I make one fine Chicken Parm, if I do say so myself!!

51 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:15:25pm

hmm. Let me try this one. fa-tree

52 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:15:51pm

Good, cut and paste still works.

53 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:16:22pm

Hell-O

54 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:16:31pm

re: #52 PhillyPretzel

Good cut and paste still works.

Does bad cut and paste still work also??

55 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 5:17:03pm

re: #40 CuriousLurker

Um, excuse me, but I believe that’s mine. //

Le Bombe Suprise

56 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:17:13pm

Testing.

Nevermind.

57 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:17:35pm

re: #55 b.d.

Le Bombe Suprise

best henchmen evah!!

58 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 5:17:48pm

Iraqi Military Out of Hellfires in Battle Against ISIS

The Iraqi military ran out of Hellfire missiles six days ago, and though the U.S. is rushing more missiles into the country, Iraq has only two modified Cessna aircraft to launch them in their battle against the radical Islamic militia ISIS.

ISIS has captured 28 tanks and shot down three helicopters, a significant percentage of the government force, and the militia killed an entire Iraqi Security Force brigade in the last couple of days at the border with Syria, which ISIS now controls.

The losses have left the Iraqi military with no offensive capability, and no real air force.

59 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:18:30pm

60 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:18:55pm

61 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:19:16pm

62 darthstar  Jun 21, 2014 5:19:20pm

History

Youtube Video

63 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:20:19pm

No cut and paste there. Gawd, I’m so lame… : )

64 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:20:22pm

I tried 20x. No worky

65 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:20:56pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Oh noes! The world is going to end!!!1!111

66 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:21:14pm

“Greenwald asserted that US troops in Iraq should be considered terrorists.”

Thus demonstrating clearly that Glenn Greenwald neither understands nor cares about international law and suffers from extreme moral confusion.

67 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:21:42pm

I’m the first?

68 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:21:48pm

69 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:22:30pm

70 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:23:41pm

OK, you cannot continue onto the next line?

71 BeachDem  Jun 21, 2014 5:24:02pm

Ugh. If Greenwald were any more full of hot air, he’d need thousand pound weights to tether his ego to earth. I can’t look at him. I can’t listen to him.

To cleanse my brain, in honor of the three young men who were murdered 50 years ago today, Tom Paxton (I hope I do this right.)

Youtube Video

72 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:24:18pm

re: #65 thedopefishlives

Oh noes! The world is going to end!!!1!111

So the Mayans WERE right after all!!!

73 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:24:33pm

74 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:25:33pm

75 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:25:51pm

re: #70 Justanotherhuman

OK, you cannot continue onto the next line?

No… the code for the icon has to all be on one line.

76 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:25:53pm

My lip stopped hurting.

77 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:26:25pm




78 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:27:12pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

My lip stopped hurting.

because a bear stepped on them??

79 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:27:18pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

My sinuses are killing me. Allergies are bad and there are a couple of lows in my area. hpc.ncep.noaa.gov

80 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 5:27:20pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

And Dante is getting dog piled.

81 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:27:41pm

re: #69 Gus

82 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:28:29pm

83 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:28:34pm

re: #80 b.d.

And Dante is getting dog piled.

He dared to criticize The Hypnowald. ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOWALD.

84 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:28:48pm

[color re: #77 Justanotherhuman

Yeah, that kind of stuff there? Not gonna work. Right now all we support are the <i> tags. I may expand it later.

Right now I’m working on a way to be able to set text to any color.

85 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:29:06pm

Thanks Charles!!!! We are so easily amused. Lucky you.

86 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:29:12pm

re: #82 Gus

Why is Robin Hood sucking on a ,,,ummm,,, nevahmind!!

87 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:29:19pm

88 thedopefishlives  Jun 21, 2014 5:29:33pm

re: #87 Gus

We’re men, we’re men in tights (TIGHT tights!)

89 Varek Raith  Jun 21, 2014 5:30:33pm

Wot’s all dis den?

90 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:30:48pm

re: #89 Varek Raith

Wot’s all dis den?

Lots o dat!

91 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:31:04pm

92 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:31:05pm

re: #80 b.d.

And Dante is getting dog piled.

Of course, the other assholes get upset. It’s what assholes do.

93 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:31:19pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

Iraqi Military Out of Hellfires in Battle Against ISIS

That piece neglects to mention the Mi-28 ‘Havoc’ gunship helicopters Iraq has receive from Russia, in addition to the fact that the Iraqi Air Force also took delivery of six additional Mi-35M ‘Hind’ gunships this year*. Iraq has more gunships than that reporter knew and it has been the gunships that have kept ISIS from being able to seize Baji oil refinery.

With its hyperbolic tone and omission of key facts, that article is better suited for Fox News Channel instead of ABC.

*: Iraq has operated the Hind since the 1980s, but the six received this year are new built instead of being refurbished. They are updated in many ways, but most notably by the replacement of the 4-barrel 12.7mm Gatling gun with a duel-barrel 23mm cannon.

94 Kid A  Jun 21, 2014 5:31:59pm

My wingnut child.

95 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:33:10pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

FA

96 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 5:33:23pm

97 Kid A  Jun 21, 2014 5:33:59pm

My dudebro child.

98 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:34:01pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Of course, the other assholes get upset. It’s what assholes do.

Check your DMs.

99 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 5:34:26pm

100 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2014 5:34:41pm

So when I want to show thinking hard about that last question….

101 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:03pm

102 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:15pm

Color?

103 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:21pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

FA

What did I do wrong? Killgore presented a piece I felt was in error, so I rebutted it.

104 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:44pm

Dudebro truck.

105 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:54pm

re: #98 Gus

Check your DMs.

Straight for the smear, every time.

106 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:58pm

re: #96 Lidane

re: #101 Lidane

Stay on Target!

107 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:35:59pm

re: #100 Rightwingconspirator

So when I want to show thinking hard about that last question….

Why do I hear squeaking???

108 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:37:08pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Straight for the smear, every time.

That’s one strange person.

109 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:38:37pm

110 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 5:38:42pm

re: #104 Gus

Wingnut Waaaaambulance.

111 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:38:57pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

What did I do wrong? Killgore presented a piece I felt was in error, so I rebutted it.

Kilgore always presents a piece in error. Avoid the bait.

fa-flag-checkered (in case)

112 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:40:06pm

Alex Jones

113 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 5:41:28pm

114 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:41:40pm

re: #112 Gus

Alex Jones

Bullshithorn

115 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 5:41:47pm

It’s a feature.

116 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 5:42:15pm

Confirmed FACT.

117 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:42:34pm

re: #112 Gus

re: #114 sattv4u2

Bullshithorn

OR

In his case

Bullshithorn

118 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:42:44pm

I do have a pair of Jane’s articles that will give some detail on the situation in Iraq. One is only a teaser, if you aren’t a subscriber, but it bears on the piece Killgore linked to:

Iraq shows interest in surplus Czech helicopters

The other is available as a full article:

Iraqi Army collapse paves way for escalating sectarian conflict

This second article should be read by all here, since it helps establish what ISIS captured in Mosul (artillery, among other things) and what they did not (the accompanying photo helps demonstrated that ISIS did not capture any UH-60 Blackhawks in Mosul).

119 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:42:58pm

start a new paragraph

120 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:43:07pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

DE-

121 Skip Intro  Jun 21, 2014 5:43:39pm

Lunatic birther and all around horrible person Orly Taitz has an idea on how to “help” “Mexican” children.

Kidnap them and drop them off at the border.

Here is an example. Recently a man was hailed as a good Samaritan when he picked up a lost child, who wandered out of the house.
Now there are a lot of lost Mexican children, who wandered into the US territory. Well, it is time for every American to become a good Samaritan and help the lost Mexican children by driving them to the border and taking them to thecustody of Mexican border patrol, so that Mexican border patrol that speaks Spanish, can reunite them with their families in Mexico.

I’d stay away from her site unless you’re running full shields up against malware, but she’s east to find if you want. She’s also licensed to practice law in California by the mythical California Bar.

122 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:43:48pm

re: #119 PhillyPretzel

start a new paragraph

oh

I thought that was a Greek column!

123 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:44:55pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Kilgore always presents a piece in error. Avoid the bait.

fa-flag-checkered (in case)

The problem is that if you don’t answer an erroneous article with the facts, some people will read the bad article and think its accurate.

I’m not accusing Killgore of posting that article in bad faith, BTW, but he used an article that is in my opinion seriously in error.

124 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 5:45:41pm

re: #122 sattv4u2

You better put on your thinking cap.

125 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:47:10pm

Birth-

126 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 5:47:41pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Lunatic birther and all around horrible person Orly Taitz has an idea on how to “help” “Mexican” children.

Kidnap them and drop them off at the border.

Here is an example. Recently a man was hailed as a good Samaritan when he picked up a lost child, who wandered out of the house.
Now there are a lot of lost Mexican children, who wandered into the US territory. Well, it is time for every American to become a good Samaritan and help the lost Mexican children by driving them to the border and taking them to thecustody of Mexican border patrol, so that Mexican border patrol that speaks Spanish, can reunite them with their families in Mexico.

I’d stay away from her site unless you’re running full shields up against malware, but she’s east to find if you want. She’s also licensed to practice law in California by the mythical California Bar.

Heh. ‘Mexican Border Patrol’. Last time I crossed the border, they didn’t even look up.

127 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 5:48:26pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Lunatic birther and all around horrible person Orly Taitz has an idea on how to “help” “Mexican” children.

Kidnap them and drop them off at the border.

The shitstorm of outrage if someone does this and the child ends up being an American citizen would be amazing to watch.

“I wuz just tryna help the little Messican get home!”

“She’s from San Diego, ace. Now STFU and let me cuff you for kidnapping.”

128 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 5:49:04pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

That piece neglects to mention the Mi-28 ‘Havoc’ gunship helicopters Iraq has receive from Russia, in addition to the fact that the Iraqi Air Force also took delivery of six additional Mi-35M ‘Hind’ gunships this year*. Iraq has more gunships than that reporter knew and it has been the gunships that have kept ISIS from being able to seize Baji oil refinery.

With its hyperbolic tone and omission of key facts, that article is better suited for Fox News Channel instead of ABC.

*: Iraq has operated the Hind since the 1980s, but the six received this year are new built instead of being refurbished. They are updated in many ways, but most notably by the replacement of the 4-barrel 12.7mm Gatling gun with a duel-barrel 23mm cannon.

Liveleak has been posting videos of those russia choppers in action. But that doesn’t make me feel better about the situation. I would assume replacement parts and ammo for most of the Iraqi airforce will come from Iran and Russia. That might be good for Maliki but it’s not great for our involvement in the country.

129 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 5:49:57pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

I do have a pair of Jane’s articles that will give some detail on the situation in Iraq. One is only a teaser, if you aren’t a subscriber, but it bears on the piece Killgore linked to:

Iraq shows interest in surplus Czech helicopters

The other is available as a full article:

Iraqi Army collapse paves way for escalating sectarian conflict

This second article should be read by all here, since it helps establish what ISIS captured in Mosul (artillery, among other things) and what they did not (the accompanying photo helps demonstrated that ISIS did not capture any UH-60 Blackhawks in Mosul).

Thanks, I’ve been reading a bit of Janes lately. Good stuff

130 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:50:23pm

131 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:50:57pm

re: #121 Skip Intro

Lunatic birther and all around horrible person Orly Taitz has an idea on how to “help” “Mexican” children.

Kidnap them and drop them off at the border.

Here is an example. Recently a man was hailed as a good Samaritan when he picked up a lost child, who wandered out of the house.
Now there are a lot of lost Mexican children, who wandered into the US territory. Well, it is time for every American to become a good Samaritan and help the lost Mexican children by driving them to the border and taking them to thecustody of Mexican border patrol, so that Mexican border patrol that speaks Spanish, can reunite them with their families in Mexico.

I’d stay away from her site unless you’re running full shields up against malware, but she’s east to find if you want. She’s also licensed to practice law in California by the mythical California Bar.

The right wing is jumping on this full force. Forget that we are talking about kids, you pro-lifer assholes.

132 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 5:51:31pm

133 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:52:23pm

re: #125 Gus

Birth-

Birth BP?

134 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2014 5:52:34pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why do I hear squeaking???

Needs oil.

135 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 5:53:53pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Liveleak has been posting videos of those russia choppers in action. But that doesn’t make me feel better about the situation. I would assume replacement parts and ammo for most of the Iraqi airforce will come from Iran and Russia. That might be good for Maliki but it’s not great for our involvement in the country.

From Russia only, and them only for missiles and rockets. Iraq can produce 12.7X101mm, 23mm, and 30mm ammunition domestically.

And as for our involvement, I reply by saying that Iraq needs gunships it can use now, not in 3 months. If we want to send a few modified Cessnas, we should do so. But even Congress approved the AH-64 sale to Iraq on Monday it would be months before they could arrive.

Needs must when the Devil drives, you know.

136 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 5:55:19pm

137 jonhendry  Jun 21, 2014 5:55:33pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

By the way, folks - new feature! We now have a complete icon font that you can use in comments and Pages: the Font Awesome icons.

Here’s a complete list of all the icons in the font, and if you can click on one it shows you the code to make it appear. And here are some examples.

And you can even do things like this:

So are you going to need $300,000 now?

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138 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 5:57:24pm

139 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 5:57:53pm

Face it, Greenwald has always been a fucking creep, narcissist, liar, obfuscator, misogynist, and self-hating Jew. This is what he said about a Jewish female who was an avid supporter of the President in 2010 (an amateur blogger, not a pro).

Image: greenwald-tweet.jpg

I don’t know all the background on this person, who was evidently “run out” of DKos for some reason, but for him to compare any Obama supporter to a Nazi propagandist is total assholery.

One final gesture to Greenwald:

140 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 5:58:02pm

re: #138 Gus

NOTE TO SELF

do NOT take a taxi ride from Gus

141 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:00:09pm

142 Shazam  Jun 21, 2014 6:00:35pm

re: #139 Justanotherhuman

That’s the kind of person I want making national security decisions.

143 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:00:55pm

144 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 6:02:24pm

Later, lizards.

145 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:03:30pm

Since we’ve been talking about the Mi-24 Hind, here’s another interesting piece, which talks about how an Mi-24 purchased by the Sudan has been operating in Benghazi.

The UN panel of experts has reported that Sudan has leased three Mi-24/35 combat helicopters to Libya in contravention of the arms embargo. One of the helicopters crashed in July 2013 and photographs posted on the Binina Airbase’s Facebook page indicate that at least one (an Mi-24/35P with serial number 959) of the two survivors is currently operating in support of Haftar’s forces.

The ‘Haftar’ mentioned is of course General Haftar, who has been fighting the Islamist radicals. As you might have guessed, I wrote that lead in as a form of clickbait, forming it as wingnuts might. The twist is that the Hind I mentioned is being used against the militias responsible for the 2012 Benghazi Attack.

146 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:03:32pm

re: #137 jonhendry

So are you going to need $300,000 now?

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Yes, can has $300,000 plz?

147 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:03:58pm

re: #141 Gus

I still cannot get the spinner.

148 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:04:47pm

re: #147 PhillyPretzel

I still cannot get the spinner.

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

fa-spin

149 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:05:32pm

re: #148 Gus

Nice. What is the code?

150 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:05:37pm

re: #148 Gus

fa-spin

color???

151 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:05:54pm

152 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:06:08pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea

color???

Wingnut or dudebro works.

153 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:06:18pm

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

fa-spin

154 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:06:19pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

Nice. What is the code?

fa-spin is the code.

155 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:06:52pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

I just tried it did not work. :(

156 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:06:54pm

re: #149 PhillyPretzel

Nice. What is the code?

fa-spin inside the quotes at the end.

157 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:07:34pm

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

158 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 6:07:50pm

re: #147 PhillyPretzel

I still cannot get the spinner.

maybe you need a new rubberband!!

Youtube Video

159 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:08:06pm

I forget where to put the wingnut code.

160 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:08:57pm

re: #143 PhillyPretzel

yes. Thanks Gus

161 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:09:02pm


162 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:09:10pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

However, the piece I posted may be relevant to the Benghazi Select Committee:

The Libyan Air Force posted a photograph of a military transport on its Facebook page on 15 January, alleging it was a Qatari aircraft that had landed at a base controlled by one of the country’s militias.

Much of the Libyan Air Force, including the people who control the Facebook page, is loyal to Khalifa Haftar, a former Libyan Army officer who launched an offensive against Islamist militias in the east of the country in May without approval from the country’s weak central authorities.

The aircraft in the photograph is a Boeing C-17 Globemaster III strategic transport aircraft with a Qatari flag on its tail. While the Qatar Emiri Air Force (QEAF) operates four C-17s that were delivered between 2009 and 2012, there is nothing to prove the photograph was taken in Libya.

Flight records obtained by the panel of experts that monitors the UN arms embargo on Libya show that Qatari C-17s visited Tripoli’s Mitiga International Airport twice and Binina Airbase outside Benghazi once between 15 January and 16 April 2013.

The panel is attempting to investigate allegations that the aircraft picked up arms shipments in Libya that were flown to Turkey and supplied to Syrian insurgents. It noted in its 19 February report that, after the three Libyan flights returned to Qatar’s Al-Ubeid Airbase, the next C-17s to depart flew to Ankara.

If the Libyan Air Force’s allegations are true, then chairman Gowdy and ranking member Lewis are going to need to ask some rather pointed questions of the government of Qatar.

163 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:09:44pm

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

yes. Thanks Gus

PHILLY!!!!!!!

164 The Awkward Guy  Jun 21, 2014 6:10:13pm

Needs a spinning BENGHAZI.

165 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:11:54pm
166 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 6:12:15pm

HAPPY BIRTHDAY COMRADE EDWARD SNOWDEN

(he shares the same birthday as Pierre)

167 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:12:22pm

168 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 6:12:24pm

As much as I thought the Patriot Act was a big mistake and it annoys the hell out of me that I now have to have a passport to head to the US, I can’t stand Greenwald’s ideas or his attitude.

He’s a zealot, pure and simple. His grasp of reality is tenuous and the world he has formed in his head is impossible and undesirable. His defense of that world lacks all rational thought. His anger is just a small indicator of his unrealistic expectation and demands. The chip on his shoulder is his entire head.

He should be ignored by the media and his husband/boy friend should suggest he undergo therapy.

169 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:13:30pm
170 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 6:13:43pm

re: #151 Gus

Man, I knew you were dizzy.

Nice to see Charles has given us access to html classes.

171 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:14:02pm

Reload the page and you will now be able to set any color for a block of text, including the new icons.

TEST

172 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 6:16:01pm

Ahh. The Big Bands. njtvonline.org

173 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:16:42pm

re: #164 The Awkward Guy

Needs a spinning BENGHAZI.

Again, go here for something really about Benghazi that might actually be relevant to the Benghazi Committee.

174 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:17:24pm

To set the color, wrap the text with:

[ color COLOR_NAME ]_TEXT_[ /color ]

(Remove the spaces from the square bracket tags, but leave the space after ‘color’ to separate it from the color name.)

The color names are the standard CSS color names, as defined here: w3schools.com

Color names are case-sensitive, so “SpringGreen” is correct, “springgreen” isn’t.

175 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:19:04pm

A MediumVioletRed spinner:

176 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:19:47pm

TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST
TEST

177 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:19:59pm

Colored text. Yes, it’s come this.

178 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:22:21pm

wheee

179 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:22:30pm

But that’s enough world news from Jane’s for the moment. Lets go to a piece about something dear to American hearts:

Eurosatory 2014: Colt debuts CK901 rifle

Colt Defense have unveiled their new CK901 assault rifle, chambered in the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm cartridge, at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris.

Speaking to IHS Jane’s , a Colt Defense representative stated that the CK901 has been ordered by the Yemeni Republican Guard to replace their existing AK-47s.

According to Colt Defense representatives, the CK901 was designed for military customers in countries that use the AK-47, or AK-47-based rifles, and therefore still utilise, manufacture or possess large stockpiles of 7.62 x 39 mm ammunition.

The distinctive feature of CK901 is that it can be fed from all types of standard and non-standard AK-47 pattern magazines. Colt has thoroughly tested the rifle on all available steel or polymer magazines to assure reliable feeding of cartridges, the company stated. The company also offers the weapon with a US-made 30 round magazine manufactured by US Palm.

The CK901 is a gas-operated rifle based on the existing Colt Modular CM901 multicalibre (5.56 or 7.62 mm NATO) weapon family debuted in 2010.

A semi-auto version of theCK901 will be available for civilian sales in the US, of course. So if you want AR-15 accuracy and accessorization while firing the 7.62X39mm round, this might be the rifle for you.

180 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:22:42pm

181 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:22:46pm

fail. I no nothing of this html stuff.

182 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:23:23pm

183 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 6:25:24pm

re: #169 Gus

[Embedded content]

Of course. And then Greenwald has the gall to call the female author a “misogynist”.

184 jonhendry  Jun 21, 2014 6:27:56pm

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Liveleak has been posting videos of those russia choppers in action. But that doesn’t make me feel better about the situation. I would assume replacement parts and ammo for most of the Iraqi airforce will come from Iran and Russia. That might be good for Maliki but it’s not great for our involvement in the country.

I would think parts and ammo are pretty widely available, given how many countries use those helicopters, many of which we’re friendly with. Israel (or a company therein) sells upgrades/modernization kits for them.

185 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2014 6:28:30pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Again, go here for something really about Benghazi that might actually be relevant to the Benghazi Committee.

Relevant how? Everything detailed in that article took place several months after the Benghazi attack.

186 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:34:54pm

re: #185 goddamnedfrank

Relevant how? Everything detailed in that article took place several months after the Benghazi attack.

If Qatar supplied weapons to militias that took part in the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, even after the attack, it is relevant. Because if any weapons were sent to groups that had attacked the consulate, then Qatar knowingly provided weapons to America’s enemies. If that is the case, then it would appear that Qatar is not reliable as an ally and perhaps should not be an ally of ours at all.

187 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2014 6:35:04pm

If you like fire, as in 4500F fire and gold you might like this video. It shows how jewelers make white gold out of pure, shown in about 2 1/2 minutes. One of a series I’m doing for the gold biz. If you like what you see please subscribe.

Youtube Video

188 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 6:37:35pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

If Qatar supplied weapons to militias that took part in the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, even after the attack, it is relevant. Because if any weapons were sent to groups that had attacked the consulate, then Qatar knowingly provided weapons to America’s enemies. If that is the case, then it would appear that Qatar is not reliable as an ally and perhaps should not be an ally of ours at all.

That also ,ight explain why that Libyan general was recently claiming Qatar was trying to kill him
bloomberg.com

189 MomSense  Jun 21, 2014 6:38:57pm

That exchange was really bizarre. Greenwald was incredibly defensive—which I suppose is understandable since he has become very close with Snowden—but it’s probably not smart.

Anyway, he completely dismisses Richard Clarke’s analysis of the fallout from the Snowden leaks as just the propaganda that administrations do and compares the Obama administration to the Nixon administration. I find that very offensive for a number of reasons. President Obama actually asked the Justice Dept. to complete a comprehensive audit of the NSA which was completed in 2010 so not something they did only because of pressure from the Snowden leaks. The Justice Dept. recommended and Obama approved additional oversight by Congress. It is quite rare for the executive to voluntarily give power to the legislative branch without being forced to do so.

I definitely think we could do more to add transparency and oversight to the process. At the same time, most of the leaks have been about our sigint outside of the US and if the alternative to fighting the “war on terror” is to combat terrorism in a manner more like law enforcement then I’m not so sure we want to hinder our sigint outside of the US. It seems to me that this does far more harm than fighting wars which lead to so much suffering by civilians.

190 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:41:46pm

BURNT SIENNA

191 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:43:06pm

Saddle Brown

192 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 6:43:26pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

BURNT SIENNA

Totally burnt

It’s black!!

193 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 6:43:46pm

Can we use hexadecimal?

I guess not.

194 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:44:52pm

re: #193 b_sharp

Nope, just the CSS color keywords right now.

195 sattv4u2  Jun 21, 2014 6:46:21pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

((followed by a few hours shut eye, then the long quiet drive back here for another fun filled day in paradise!!)))

196 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2014 6:48:41pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

If Qatar supplied weapons to militias that took part in the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, even after the attack, it is relevant. Because if any weapons were sent to groups that had attacked the consulate, then Qatar knowingly provided weapons to America’s enemies. If that is the case, then it would appear that Qatar is not reliable as an ally and perhaps should not be an ally of ours at all.

You Republicans should try winning an election, then you can conduct your own foreign policy based on an inconclusive picture posted to some random rogue Libyan general’s Facebook page. As it is now the Benghazi committee is investigating the attack, for the n-th time, and the last thing this country needs are idiot GOP Congressmen going off on another wild goose tangent. It doesn’t even appear that your reading of the situation is correct.

The panel is attempting to investigate allegations that the aircraft picked up arms shipments in Libya that were flown to Turkey and supplied to Syrian insurgents. It noted in its 19 February report that, after the three Libyan flights returned to Qatar’s Al-Ubeid Airbase, the next C-17s to depart flew to Ankara.

So it seems that the planes were picking up weapons in Libya and taking them to Syrian rebel groups, groups that we have considered arming.

The thing is that other ME governments are going to look after their own interests, often in ways that might not pass our own political test of which enemy of our enemy are the assholes we’re supporting du jure. Between the Syrian uprising, ISIS, and us having pulled out of Iraq and not looking to reengage there I’d expect to see more of other governments in the region stepping in to fill the dumbshit shaped hole we’ll be leaving.

197 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:52:03pm

198 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Jun 21, 2014 6:52:19pm

I’m so old that I remember when the Internet wasn’t just a gossip and soap opera machine.

199 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:52:36pm

1980s

200 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 6:52:43pm

re: #189 MomSense

Wonderful comment, but I don’t think GG is “close” to Snowden in the sense that he’s actually a “friend” as we would have. GG uses everyone around him and Snowden gave him a gold mine out of which to enrich himself.

Greenwald is a loathsome creature.

201 Amory Blaine  Jun 21, 2014 6:53:20pm

202 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 6:54:06pm

re: #198 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m so old that I remember when the Internet wasn’t just a gossip and soap opera machine.

Never happened.

203 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:54:47pm

204 Amory Blaine  Jun 21, 2014 6:55:02pm

205 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:55:09pm

206 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 6:55:46pm

re: #203 Gus

pls type out how the color code is inserted?

207 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 6:56:27pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

pls type out how the color code is inserted?

Gently and with panache.

208 MomSense  Jun 21, 2014 6:56:37pm

re: #200 Justanotherhuman

Perhaps it is more accurate to say that Greenwald’s reputation and status is inextricably linked to Snowden. Greenwald has an interest in defending Snowden.

209 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 6:57:17pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

pls type out how the color code is inserted?

See #174

210 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 6:57:21pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

I was civil and now you’ve gone back to firing off insults. And this isn’t the first time you’ve done that, either.

Stop being an ass, Frank.

211 Amory Blaine  Jun 21, 2014 6:57:48pm

212 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 6:58:02pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

Check out this comment:

#174

213 goddamnedfrank  Jun 21, 2014 6:59:10pm

What kind of fucking Nazi decided icons could only spin clockwise?!?!

214 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 7:00:17pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

What kind of fucking Nazi decided icons could only spin clockwise?!?!

If you post online under the equator they show up counter-clockwise.

215 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 7:00:22pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

What kind of fucking Nazi decided icons could only spin clockwise?!?!

Widdershins is the devil’s direction.

216 Amory Blaine  Jun 21, 2014 7:00:44pm

==

217 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 7:01:02pm

re: #209 Gus

re: #212 Charles Johnson

I did, I did. Do not understand where in the “fa-” to put it. no biggie.

218 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:01:06pm

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219 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:01:33pm

re: #217 Stanley Sea

I did, I did. Do not understand where in the “fa-” to put it. no biggie.

That’s something else.

220 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:05:02pm

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221 The Awkward Guy  Jun 21, 2014 7:07:04pm

Criticism = flinging insults. Nice to know.

222 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 7:09:18pm

color?

not coloring the fa item. FA!

223 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 7:11:22pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

color?

not coloring the fa item. FA!

You put the color tags around just the text - put the starting color tag right before the <i> tag.

224 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 7:14:57pm

Kids and their toys.

226 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:20:01pm

Back in the day, newspapers, magazines, etc. could eliminate the crazies, the illiterate and gadflies who pestered them on a daily basis. But the internet allows one and all to “get their say” no matter how it is said.

I used to write “letters to the editor” on issues to a major newspaper. They were all accepted, as I recall, but not before I got a call from the paper guaranteeing I still wanted it printed. Controversy and difference of opinion were readily printed, but hate, lies, libelous attacks, etc. were not.

It’s up to us where we go on the internet and who we pay attention to. This isn’t to say that we should avoid those we don’t agree with, but all too often, disagreement is not tolerated, even if it’s expressed in non-threatening ways.

The internet can be a terrible lesson in how not to be fair and democratic.

227 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 7:20:04pm

re: #221 The Awkward Guy

Criticism = flinging insults. Nice to know.

When delivered in his hostile and berating manner, yes.

228 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 7:20:56pm
According to the sources, he wanted the money to be transferred to UN agencies, which would then transfer it to Hamas inside Gaza.
229 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 7:21:00pm
230 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 7:22:18pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Avigdor, sage of all that is righteous.

Gah.

Exemplary trolling.

231 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 7:25:34pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

Avigdor, sage of all that is righteous.

Gah.

Exemplary trolling.

We’ll see what happens with the allegations but the UN should not be transferring money to terrorist organizations.

232 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:26:24pm

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233 Killgore Trout  Jun 21, 2014 7:26:37pm

..and once again we’re seeing Qatar playing a role. They sure are active there lately.

234 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 7:28:25pm

re: #232 Gus

I don’t want to hear any more complaints from you kids that you don’t have enough colors to play with!

235 Charles Johnson  Jun 21, 2014 7:30:38pm

The Mighty G is going to be mighty pissed off that Paul Rieckhoff replied and followed me.

236 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 7:33:28pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

..and once again we’re seeing Qatar playing a role. They sure are active there lately.

Sorry Stanley, but I have to counter-ding in Killgore’s favor, if only because I put him on the Qatar trail. I can’t blame him if he follows it.

237 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:34:14pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I don’t want to hear any more complaints from you kids that you don’t have enough colors to play with!

████████ Olive
████████ OliveDrab
████████ YellowGreen
████████ LimeGreen
████████ Lime
████████ LawnGreen
████████ Chartreuse
████████ GreenYellow
████████ SpringGreen
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████████ LightGreen
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████████ ForestGreen
████████ Green
████████ DarkGreen

238 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:34:53pm

Lots of sources for color names. Those from Wikipedia.

239 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:35:13pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

The Mighty G is going to be mighty pissed off that Paul Rieckhoff replied and followed me.

He was in SD tonight. I think it’s on to Chicago now.

240 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 7:35:29pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Sorry Stanley, but I have to counter-ding in Killgore’s favor, if only because I put him on the Qatar trail. I can’t blame him if he follows it.

Report back with actual facts. Not bullshit JPost Lieberman propaganda.

241 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 7:36:11pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I don’t want to hear any more complaints from you kids that you don’t have enough colors to play with!

It’s going to look like a kindergarten class that just got the 120 count Crayola box around here, isn’t it?

Haha.

242 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:38:37pm

re: #237 Gus

████████ Olive
████████ OliveDrab
████████ YellowGreen
████████ LimeGreen
████████ Lime
████████ LawnGreen
████████ Chartreuse
████████ GreenYellow
████████ SpringGreen
████████ MediumSpringGreen
████████ LightGreen
████████ PaleGreen
████████ DarkSeaGreen
████████ MediumSeaGreen
████████ SeaGreen
████████ ForestGreen
████████ Green
████████ DarkGreen

What, no sage green? Fuggedaboutit.

243 b.d.  Jun 21, 2014 7:39:19pm

I need a built in sharpener on the side of my laptop now.

244 TedStriker  Jun 21, 2014 7:39:29pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

The Mighty G is going to be mighty pissed off that Paul Rieckhoff replied and followed me.

Hell, GG probably blocked Rieckoff right after that tweet of his last night, so he wouldn’t even have to see Rieckoff’s reply (if any).

GG is such a fucking weasel, I wouldn’t put it past him.

245 Lidane  Jun 21, 2014 7:39:40pm

So. Many. Colors.

Youtube Video

246 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:41:36pm

I love this color.

Beautiful Sage Green

If I could paint my LR, it would be this.

247 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 7:42:44pm

re: #239 Justanotherhuman

He was in SD tonight. I think it’s on to Chicago now.

He’ll be in Rosemont on the 26th. I live near there but will not be attending. I get enough stress at work, I don’t need that egomanical dudebro adding to it.

248 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:44:36pm

BEES

249 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:48:55pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

He’ll be in Rosemont on the 26th. I live near there but will not be attending. I get enough stress at work, I don’t need that egomanical dudebro adding to it.

Oh yeah, at the Crowne Plaza O’Hare. He’ll get to schmooze with Amy Goodman.

250 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 21, 2014 7:49:05pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

He’ll be in Rosemont on the 26th. I live near there but will not be attending. I get enough stress at work, I don’t need that egomanical dudebro adding to it.

That´s one thing I´ve really come to like about my job at the Motel. It may be all night but the stress is pretty minimal and I still have my mornings to do stuff for myself or for others.

This morning it was serving as lector, acolyte & Eucharistic minister at a funeral at my parish because it was one of the little things I can do to give back to a group of people that have been enormously helpful to me.

251 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 21, 2014 7:49:31pm





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252 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 21, 2014 7:50:11pm

Yeah, I’m an idiot.

Yay!

253 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:52:22pm

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

This event is part of the program for Socialism 2014 Conference. Full or partial paid registration for the Conference includes admission to the Glenn Greenwald event. We encourage you to check out the incredible list of speakers at the conference and consider joining us for the whole weekend!

Cheeez.

254 Dark_Falcon  Jun 21, 2014 7:52:25pm

re: #250 William Barnett-Lewis

That´s one thing I´ve really come to like about my job at the Motel. It may be all night but the stress is pretty minimal and I still have my mornings to do stuff for myself or for others.

This morning it was serving as lector, acolyte & Eucharistic minister at a funeral at my parish because it was one of the little things I can do to give back to a group of people that have been enormously helpful to me.

Check this out.

255 RealityBasedSteve  Jun 21, 2014 7:53:01pm

Kewl. Great job Charles.

Well Lizards, I did survive today, basically did ok, but I had a bit of a minor freak-out coming up from my deep dive (90 feet). I was using a regulator (turns the 3000 psi air in the tank to a pressure I can breathe underwater). Mine doesn’t have the mod that would prevent it from freezing up in cold water (it will shortly). I didn’t change the lever on the reg to make it breath easier at depth, and as a result felt like I wasn’t getting enough air. We hadn’t been down anywhere long enough (like 3 minutes) that I was in danger from the bends or anything, and I let the instructor know I WAS NOT ok, and started up to the top at a safe rate. Once up there, I was ok, and once we got thing straightened out, had a great dive from that point forward.

The Instructor (who is fantastic, wish I had taken my intital training from him) and I had a long talk about what happened, how to help prevent it, and while I’m very disappointed at myself, he’s not upset, says I’ll get there, no problem.

Did lots of other fun stuff. The quarry is great, different depths, lots of things to look at (like old boats, vans, a school bus) scattered around. Plenty of fish (cat fish, bluegill and bass). There was a BIG bass in the school bus.

I’m physically wiped out… Thought I was in good shape, but this is a whole different type of activity, and I’m feeling it. Picked up a basket of potato wedges and an order of wings, ate all the potatoes and a lot of the wings. My body was craving the carbs more than the protein. Have taken a shower, gear is rinsed off for tomorrow, and I’m not long for bed.

Just wanted to share. I’m stoked.

Going back tomorrow, more fun and adventure.

RBS

256 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:58:01pm

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257 Justanotherhuman  Jun 21, 2014 7:58:38pm

The rack beckons, so later, Lizards!

258 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 7:58:53pm

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259 jaunte  Jun 21, 2014 7:59:15pm

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260 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 21, 2014 8:00:33pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

Check this out.

Sure, I brag about no stress and you go and stress me about being broke :LOL: Sounds like a cheap way to get a Russian Contract Musket & the carbine would be a good hunting rifle too.

261 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:01:30pm

re: #21 b.d.

What kind of drink does Greenwald drink?

I’m trying to imagine what drink fits his personality and the closest thing that comes to mind is him being a Dewar’s and Soda kind of guy, they’re always jerks.

//

He thinks the Dos Equis guy wants to be him.

262 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:03:55pm

RAINBOW

263 sagehen  Jun 21, 2014 8:04:46pm

re: #246 Justanotherhuman

I love this color.

Beautiful Sage Green

If I could paint my LR, it would be this.

awww… i’m flattered.

264 missliberties  Jun 21, 2014 8:06:57pm

For some reason Greenwald reminds me of Lance Armstrong & Bill O’Reilly.

Must win at all costs and never dare to disagree with him or else *lots of shouting*.

265 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:09:32pm

266 De Kolta Chair  Jun 21, 2014 8:09:58pm

I came here to see what fascinating topics were being bandied about tonight and I discover that everyone but me is on acid.

267 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:10:11pm

I didn’t see any fa-pie.

268 jaunte  Jun 21, 2014 8:10:13pm

re: #265 Gus

Urgent call.

269 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:10:19pm

270 jaunte  Jun 21, 2014 8:10:43pm

re: #269 Gus

*Gus flips phone*

271 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 21, 2014 8:12:46pm

Off to work. Till later folks.

272 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:13:22pm

re: #270 jaunte

*Gus flips phone*

Flips desktop.

273 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 8:21:22pm

I wanna play, too!

This way please

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat.

274 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 8:21:29pm

re: #267 Pie-onist Overlord

I didn’t see any fa-pie.

There is no pie. Fa.

275 Snarknado!  Jun 21, 2014 8:24:32pm

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi

I wanna play, too!

This way please

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat.

adipiscing? REALLY?

276 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 8:26:46pm


277 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 8:27:54pm

re: #275 Snarknado!

I grabbed it from a Google listing. It’s gibberish, just used for filler.

279 sagehen  Jun 21, 2014 8:30:36pm

I bought a new computer today (baby’s first laptop!), and I’m finding it hard to get used to the embedded square clicker thingie that pretends it’s a mouse.

On the upside, wow have computers gotten cheaper since the last time I bought, and even cheaper-cheaper since the first time I bought. My first Macintosh, 30 years ago, even with a student discount, cost 50% more $$ than today’s macbook pro. For hundreds of dollars more I could have gotten a modem. I’m not even sure what that means in adjusted-for-inflation dollars.

280 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 8:33:39pm

This is better Latin:

Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur. Hi omnes lingua, institutis, legibus inter se differunt. Gallos ab Aquitanis Garumna flumen, a Belgis Matrona et Sequana dividit. Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent important, proximique sunt Germanis, qui trans Rhenum incolunt, quibuscum continenter bellum gerunt.

281 b_sharp  Jun 21, 2014 8:33:58pm

re: #279 sagehen

I bought a new computer today (baby’s first laptop!), and I’m finding it hard to get used to the embedded square clicker thingie that pretends it’s a mouse.

On the upside, wow have computers gotten cheaper since the last time I bought, and even cheaper-cheaper since the first time I bought. My first Macintosh, 30 years ago, even with a student discount, cost 50% more $$ than today’s macbook pro. For hundreds of dollars more I could have gotten a modem. I’m not even sure what that means in adjusted-for-inflation dollars.

Big Mac and a root beer.

282 Stanley Sea  Jun 21, 2014 8:34:03pm

Signing off friends. Have a great evening.

(never figured out the color thingy FA!)

283 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 8:35:05pm

re: #282 Stanley Sea

Signing off friends. Have a great evening.

(never figured out the color thingy FA!)

What, no kitteh?

/

284 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:37:09pm

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal…

285 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 8:41:35pm

re: #279 sagehen

I bought a new computer today (baby’s first laptop!), and I’m finding it hard to get used to the embedded square clicker thingie that pretends it’s a mouse.

On the upside, wow have computers gotten cheaper since the last time I bought, and even cheaper-cheaper since the first time I bought. My first Macintosh, 30 years ago, even with a student discount, cost 50% more $$ than today’s macbook pro. For hundreds of dollars more I could have gotten a modem. I’m not even sure what that means in adjusted-for-inflation dollars.

Personal computer price comparison - 1982

Adjusted for inflation, that $2,295 for Apple II is like $5,650 now. bls.gov

286 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:42:56pm

287 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2014 8:42:58pm

So this new icon/color/motion thing works in Pages too right?

288 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 8:43:33pm

re: #279 sagehen

Go for a few One to One sessions to learn about the MacBook Pro. I came from Windows and now I am pretty decent with my Mac. You can also get a usb plug in mouse if you cannot adjust to the mousepad.

289 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 8:44:54pm

re: #287 Rightwingconspirator

It probably does.

290 wrenchwench  Jun 21, 2014 8:49:13pm

re: #287 Rightwingconspirator

So this new icon/color/motion thing works in Pages too right?

No color in the Spy yet.

291 sagehen  Jun 21, 2014 8:49:41pm

re: #288 PhillyPretzel

Go for a few One to One sessions to learn about the MacBook Pro. I came from Windows and now I am pretty decent with my Mac. You can also get a usb plug in mouse if you cannot adjust to the mousepad.

The guy at the Apple Store mentioned that, but… the whole point of getting a laptop is I need to get out in the sun more. I doubt the mouse (even with a mousepad) would work well on a lawn or a park bench.

292 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 21, 2014 8:50:20pm

re: #286 Gus

That guy on the left… Wide stance?

293 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:50:51pm

WTFITS
Mitt thinks he’s gonna run again?

294 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 8:51:32pm

re: #293 Pie-onist Overlord

Oy Vey not again.

295 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:53:09pm

re: #292 Rightwingconspirator

That guy on the left… Wide stance?

Yep. The tap dancer. //

296 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:53:36pm

re: #294 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey not again.

Jeb Bush thinks it’s HIS TURN

297 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:54:02pm

Nixon won in ‘68 after losing in ‘60

298 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:54:58pm

Also, I’m really not too thrilled about Hillary. I kinda wish some other Democrat would show up out of freaking nowhere, like Obama did in ‘08.

299 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 21, 2014 8:55:30pm

Joe Biden would be better than Hillary.

300 PhillyPretzel  Jun 21, 2014 8:56:08pm

re: #291 sagehen

You could try it with a lap desk. Amazon has many types. amazon.com

301 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:58:18pm

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

Joe Biden would be better than Hillary.

I’m starting to like Elizabeth Warren.

302 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 8:59:38pm

Like as in POTUS potential.

303 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 9:00:18pm

re: #299 Pie-onist Overlord

Joe Biden would be better than Hillary.

Biden was actually my favorite Dem in 2008.

304 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 9:01:34pm

Warren started out as a Republican. Before the walls fell.

305 sagehen  Jun 21, 2014 9:07:30pm

re: #296 Pie-onist Overlord

Jeb Bush thinks it’s HIS TURN

If the 2016 race ends up being Bush v. Clinton… not enough facepalms in the world.

306 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 9:08:49pm

Bob Dole!

307 sagehen  Jun 21, 2014 9:09:18pm

re: #301 Gus

I’m starting to like Elizabeth Warren.

Connor Friedersdorf has been concern-urging lefties to consider Russ Feingold. Not a bad choice, actually… but losing a Senate race does not bode well for a presidential run.

308 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 9:09:43pm

BOB DOLE
E
E
S

Coincidence? I think not.

309 The War TARDIS  Jun 21, 2014 9:09:49pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

And that’s news how?

With the exception of Oman, that is true of all the Persian Gulf states.

Hell, Iran has been a better enemy than the Saudis and their clowns have been as Allies. Their response to 9/11, Katrina, and then Sandy shows that they should be respected.

310 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 9:20:24pm

Felix the cat. The wonderful, wonderful cat. Whenever he gets in a fix he reaches into his bag of tricks!

311 Gus  Jun 21, 2014 10:16:23pm

Junior Brown - Broke Down South Of Dallas

Youtube Video

312 jonhendry  Jun 21, 2014 11:17:23pm

re: #279 sagehen

I bought a new computer today (baby’s first laptop!), and I’m finding it hard to get used to the embedded square clicker thingie that pretends it’s a mouse.

On the upside, wow have computers gotten cheaper since the last time I bought, and even cheaper-cheaper since the first time I bought. My first Macintosh, 30 years ago, even with a student discount, cost 50% more $$ than today’s macbook pro. For hundreds of dollars more I could have gotten a modem. I’m not even sure what that means in adjusted-for-inflation dollars.

Go into System Preferences, and select Trackpad. You can select the gestures and behaviors you want, and they’re illustrated by little videos. When you move the pointer over one of the options, that option is illustrated in the video.

And, yeah, my first Mac was an SE/30 with 1MB of RAM and a 40 MB hard drive, which I bought when I started freshman year at Drexel in 1989. (They encouraged everyone to buy a Mac.) It cost $3499 with the academic discount. $6,713.00 in 2014 dollars.

Today that would buy a pretty loaded new Mac Pro with 32 GB of RAM, 1TB SSD, dual 3GB video cards, and a 27” LCD. And I’d have hundreds of dollars left over. None of Apple’s other computers can be configured to cost over $6000 based on hardware alone.

313 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 21, 2014 11:49:40pm

re: #312 jonhendry

Go into System Preferences, and select Trackpad. You can select the gestures and behaviors you want, and they’re illustrated by little videos. When you move the pointer over one of the options, that option is illustrated in the video.

I like using trackpads. myself. My Lenovo SL400’s Synaptics pad, however, has been possessed by demons for three years at least. I have to disable it, or it will fight with the other pointer devices for control of the cursor. It also has an annoying habit of right-clicking even when my hands are nowhere near. It seems to be a problem with this particular trackpad model, and Lenovo in its infinite wisdom does not include a BIOS toggle to disable it. It’s controlled only by the OS.

314 Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2014 12:16:39am

Feingold!

315 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:22:58am

Undocumented features are always cool ;)

316 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:25:01am

Hello, world!

317 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:27:33am

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I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!
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318 klys  Jun 22, 2014 12:30:42am

re: #315 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Undocumented features are always cool ;)

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I …cannot unsee the horror.

319 Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2014 12:32:05am

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320 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:32:31am

re: #318 klys

I …cannot unsee the horror.

321 klys  Jun 22, 2014 12:33:16am

re: #320 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

WHAT DID I UNLEASH with the Gohmert head.

322 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:34:10am

323 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:40:52am

...

324 Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2014 12:41:41am

325 Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2014 12:43:13am

re: #318 klys

I …cannot unsee the horror.

Hunter is that you?

326 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:54:55am

head spins
head spins

327 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 12:57:39am

And can you by no drift of circumstance
Get from him why he puts on this confusion,
Grating so harshly all his days of quiet 1685
With turbulent and dangerous lunacy?

And can you by no drift of circumstance
Get from him why he puts on this confusion,
Grating so harshly all his days of quiet 1685
With turbulent and dangerous lunacy?

And can you by no drift of circumstance
Get from him why he puts on this confusion,
Grating so harshly all his days of quiet 1685
With turbulent and dangerous lunacy?

And can you by no drift of circumstance
Get from him why he puts on this confusion,
Grating so harshly all his days of quiet 1685
With turbulent and dangerous lunacy?

328 Shvaughn  Jun 22, 2014 12:59:28am

I’m… not sure this is a great idea.

329 klys  Jun 22, 2014 1:00:19am

re: #328 Shvaughn

I’m… not sure this is a great idea.

I have vague hopes that the boys will get it out of their systems eventually.

Maybe.

…Ok, probably not.

330 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:00:45am

re: #329 klys

Give it a day.

331 klys  Jun 22, 2014 1:01:19am

re: #330 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Give it a day.

I know, I’m not legit worried.

Probably should have sarc-tagged it, but… :)

332 klys  Jun 22, 2014 1:01:48am

re: #330 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Give it a day.

Although I swear to god never do the damn Gohmert head spinning again.

333 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:02:45am

re: #332 klys

Although I swear to god never do the damn Gohmert head spinning again.

OK.

/

334 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 1:08:48am

re: #328 Shvaughn

I’m… not sure this is a great idea.

Look at it this way — this is a Greenwald thread. All the silliness is way more tolerable than anything GG says. :)

335 KiTA  Jun 22, 2014 1:09:41am

Welp. Managed to sleep through 3 alarm clocks and my Carnivorous Plants’ grow lights kicking on. And discovered my MagicJack won’t let me call my job because the Casino I work at is technically a party line. And it took 30 minutes and 4 attempts to get the shift manager to answer the cellphone.

Thank $DIETY for Google Voice.

336 klys  Jun 22, 2014 1:13:27am

Since it’s quiet here tonight (for some definition of quiet…), have some stitching progress.

This is where we were last time.

Here’s tonight’s progress mark.

337 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:14:51am
338 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:18:00am

Can I spin the whole blog?

//

339 Shvaughn  Jun 22, 2014 1:24:48am

340 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:26:52am

re: #339 Shvaughn

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Aha!/

341 Shvaughn  Jun 22, 2014 1:37:52am
342 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:41:02am

re: #341 Shvaughn

Power

Power

343 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:42:40am

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344 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 1:45:54am
345 Shvaughn  Jun 22, 2014 1:48:32am

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346 Shvaughn  Jun 22, 2014 1:50:10am

Okay I am done for now. Sleepy time!

347 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:50:23am

re: #345 Shvaughn

Looks like somebody has caught a virus ;)

348 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:50:44am

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349 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 1:51:02am
350 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:53:41am

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351 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 1:55:03am

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352 jonhendry  Jun 22, 2014 3:05:44am

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

If Qatar supplied weapons to militias that took part in the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, even after the attack, it is relevant. Because if any weapons were sent to groups that had attacked the consulate, then Qatar knowingly provided weapons to America’s enemies. If that is the case, then it would appear that Qatar is not reliable as an ally and perhaps should not be an ally of ours at all.

Libya was awash in weapons after the revolution. The Libyan armories and caches were looted. There was no need for Qatar to supply arms.

353 jonhendry  Jun 22, 2014 3:11:22am

354 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 22, 2014 3:30:13am

I feel as if the whole room is spinning. What have you done!?

//

355 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 3:59:45am

re: #354 wheat-dogghazi

I feel as if the whole room is spinning. What have you done!?

//

Nothing is spinning, maybe get checked at a spin-doctor’s? //

356 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 4:03:49am
357 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 4:13:07am

358 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 4:54:27am
359 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 5:17:34am

<rant on>

CANDY CRUSH, YOU ARE A TIME-WASTING, SOUL-SUCKING DEMON FROM THE LOWEST DEPTHS OF HELL!

Whew. Thank you.

<rant off>

360 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 5:18:28am

re: #353 jonhendry

[Embedded image]

Can you do that with a floating Louie Gohmert head?

361 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 5:20:42am

re: #360 BongCrodny

See upthread.

362 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 5:21:15am

re: #315 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Undocumented features are always cool ;)

[Embedded image]

Ah. Read first, post later.

I’ll get it one of these years.

363 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 5:21:55am

re: #361 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

See upthread.

It’s so hypnotic!

364 BongCrodny  Jun 22, 2014 5:27:19am

re: #293 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS
Mitt thinks he’s gonna run again?

[Embedded content]

Who else they got?

Everybody else on the national level is either the brother of a disaster (Bush), tainted by scandal (Christie, Walker) or a complete fucking lunatic (everybody else).

365 Lidane  Jun 22, 2014 5:27:24am

re: #359 BongCrodny

<rant on>

CANDY CRUSH, YOU ARE A TIME-WASTING, SOUL-SUCKING DEMON FROM THE LOWEST DEPTHS OF HELL!

Whew. Thank you.

<rant off>

Let me guess — been stuck on the same level for a few days? :)

366 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 5:56:49am

Decided to look up “Snowtown Murders” on Netflix last night.

Wish I hadn’t.

367 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 6:04:04am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Decided to look up “Snowtown Murders” on Netflix last night.

Wish I hadn’t.

A rather grim little movie, isn’t it? Of course, taste in films is highly subjective - I found Once Upon A Time In Anantolia to be nothing short of a modern-day masterpiece, whereas people I know found it to be a snoozefest. I liked Snowtown, largely owing to some tour de force acting by Daniel Henshall as the Australian serial killer John Bunting.

A disturbing film, to be sure, but given the subject matter, somewhat inevitable that it would be.

368 A Mom Anon  Jun 22, 2014 6:12:42am

OK looking at spinny things with a headache is not a good thing. Yeessh.

Shhh, don’t tell anyone ,but I’ve had a crush on Paul Rieckoff since he first started with IAVA and started speaking for veterans. This confrontation is one of the reasons why.

Sigh. I suppose I should go take some Aleve and be productive today. Sigh. Again….

369 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:13:37am

re: #307 sagehen

Connor Friedersdorf has been concern-urging lefties to consider Russ Feingold. Not a bad choice, actually… but losing a Senate race does not bode well for a presidential run.

Abe Lincoln lost a Senate race before running for President.

370 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 6:16:12am

Time to go for my weekly swim.

371 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 6:17:28am

Hey y’all,

Been lurking for what seems like ages and since everyone’ll be asleep maybe a general ‘hi’ might appear obtuse… uh, fuckit, hi!!

I think my last post came before the Bergdahl drama and since then it seems the wingnut world has gone utterly insane on an almost exponentional grade. It can only mean that the anti-RWNJ serum is working, right?

Or has the worm burrowed deeper still?

372 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 6:19:28am

re: #366 Justanotherhuman

Decided to look up “Snowtown Murders” on Netflix last night.

Wish I hadn’t.

My brother had the misfortune of watching the film with his then-prospective parents-in-law.

Brilliant film, IMO.

373 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 6:38:26am

New Moderate Leadership!

Iran rejects U.S. action in Iraq as militants push east

The statement by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was the clearest statement of opposition to a U.S. plan to dispatch of up to 300 military advisers in response to pleas from the Iraqi government and runs counter to speculation that old enemies Washington and Tehran might cooperate to defend their mutual ally in Baghdad.

“We are strongly opposed to U.S. and other intervention in Iraq,” IRNA news agency quoted Khamenei as saying. “We don’t approve of it as we believe the Iraqi government, nation and religious authorities are capable of ending the sedition.”

374 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 6:48:21am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

New Moderate Leadership!

Iran rejects U.S. action in Iraq as militants push east

We shouldn’t be sending anyone. Period. Let them sort it all out.

375 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 6:48:50am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

Not terribly surprising. Cooperation between Washington and Tehran was always going to be sketchy at best even on the issue of rampaging and destabilising Sunni fighters. I never put much stock in it myself. I only expect things to get truly hairy if it appears Baghdad might fall and that is a big if.

376 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 6:49:07am

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

A rather grim little movie, isn’t it? Of course, taste in films is highly subjective - I found Once Upon A Time In Anantolia to be nothing short of a modern-day masterpiece, whereas people I know found it to be a snoozefest. I liked Snowtown, largely owing to some tour de force acting by Daniel Henshall as the Australian serial killer John Bunting.

A disturbing film, to be sure, but given the subject matter, somewhat inevitable that it would be.

Oh, don’t get me wrong. It was an excellent, well done movie, although I would advise people to read something about those murders before watching the movie. I was actually saying out loud, “Why are you listening to this man? Where is your moral core?” I hated him, and just can’t imagine someone having such little control over themselves that someone could talk him or her into actually murdering or helping to murder someone, taking that kind of revenge. Even the murders were almost incestuous—most knew each other or had varying relationships with the others of one kind of another.

It certainly gave me a different perspective on Australian life as well and should remind us that sociopaths can infest every culture.

377 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 6:54:45am

Speaking of sociopaths, this is another case I followed with some puzzlement about the tendency of peer pressure to “conform” even when you think you’re being hip and edgy.

Michael Alig: ‘We didn’t even realise he was dead’

Michael Alig was the darling of the New York club scene, a magnet for misfits and a lightning rod for conservative outrage. Then he killed a friend. On his release from prison, Emma Brockes unravels a story of our times

theguardian.com

Someone will come along and give this malignant narcissistic sociopath a means of profiting from his infamy with interviews, a book, and other venues. And he will do it, because he really is, unfortunately, incurable.

378 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 6:55:53am

re: #376 Justanotherhuman

It should be read as a cautionary tale against the kind of vigilante action that gets taken up by sociopaths for their own ends. Add an abused schizophrenic to a psychopathic father-figure and its about what you might expect. Not sure myself what the exact particulars of the case were, but the psychological aspects of the film itself, even if they had to make certain artistic embellishments, were spot on.

379 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:00:15am

re: #374 Sionainn

We shouldn’t be sending anyone. Period. Let them sort it all out.

It does seem we’ve completely failed to contain Iran and left huge swath of territory for them to expand their influence. Giving them further military cooperation to assist their expansion seems like a really bad idea to me.

380 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 7:00:18am

re: #369 Pie-onist Overlord

Abe Lincoln lost a Senate race before running for President.

Afraid I wouldn’t vote for anyone that little Conor endorsed.

381 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 7:03:37am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

It does seem we’ve completely failed to contain Iran and left huge swath of territory for them to expand their influence. Giving them further military cooperation to assist their expansion seems like a really bad idea to me.

Since when have we ever tried to “contain” Iran?

Seems to me that all our meddling in the Middle East has gotten us nothing but dead Americans, debt, and hatred from the people who live there.

382 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:04:21am

re: #379 Killgore Trout

It does seem we’ve completely failed to contain Iran and left huge swath of territory for them to expand their influence. Giving them further military cooperation to assist their expansion seems like a really bad idea to me.

Please mention that our failure to contain Iran came precisely because we invaded Iraq, whose previous unconventional arms programs were funded by the West. Our inability to contain Iran seems to have come from our desire to contain an utterly neutered Iraq.
Feckin’ strange, that.

383 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:04:24am

re: #375 Alyosha

Not terribly surprising. Cooperation between Washington and Tehran was always going to be sketchy at best even on the issue of rampaging and destabilising Sunni fighters. I never put much stock in it myself. I only expect things to get truly hairy if it appears Baghdad might fall and that is a big if.

I find it hard to believe that ISIS could take Bagdahd but it does seems serious concern. My guess is they might be able to take Baghdad with no intention of holding it; Get in, clean house, round up enemies, have some mass executions, steal whatever they can take and get out. That ISIS commander seems a decent tactician, maybe he can make that happen.

384 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:07:09am

re: #383 Killgore Trout

I find it hard to believe that ISIS could take Bagdahd but it does seems serious concern.my guess is they might be able to take Baghdad with no intention of holding it; Get in, clean house, round up enemies, have some mass executions, steal whatever they can take and get out. That ISIS commander seems a decent tactician, maybe he can make that happen.

This isn’t Cambodia and ISIS isn’t the Khmer Rouge. Sadr City alone will bloody their noses. I’m more concerned about the reaction to the push, rather than the push itself.

385 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:07:19am

re: #382 Alyosha

Please mention that our failure to contain Iran came precisely because we invaded Iraq, whose previous unconventional arms programs were funded by the West. Our inability to contain Iran seems to have come from our desire to contain an utterly neutered Iraq.
Feckin’ strange, that.

Well, Iran would have loved to invade Iraq, depose Saddam and install a puppet government with loyalty to Iran but they lacked they military might to accomplish that. We did it for them.

386 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:10:06am

The “recent headlines” displayed on Google news….
- Sunni Militants Capture Iraq’s Last Major Border Post With Syria
- Most uplifting stories of the week
- In Ugandan district noted for ritual murder, residents drum alarms to rescue missing children

387 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:10:33am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

Well, Iran would have loved to invade Iraq, depose Saddam and install a puppet government with loyalty to Iran but they lacked they military might to accomplish that. We did it for them.

I doubt that they would have ‘loved’ to invade Iraq given the interest of the states fearful of Persian influence. It is true that Tehran has gained the most from the US occupation of Iraq but it remains to be seen whether they will ultimately benefit from any lengthy campaign that now spans the breadth of the Levant.

388 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 7:11:14am

re: #378 Alyosha

It should be read as a cautionary tale against the kind of vigilante action that gets taken up by sociopaths for their own ends. Add an abused schizophrenic to a psychopathic father-figure and its about what you might expect. Not sure myself what the exact particulars of the case were, but the psychological aspects of the film itself, even if they had to make certain artistic embellishments, were spot on.

You should read more about the relationships of the perps to each other and their victims. Did you know that David Johnson, the last victim, and step-brother of James Vlassakis, who was lured to the bank bldg where the barrels were kept, also was cannibalized? Parts of his flesh were fried and eaten by 2 of the perps and possibly Vlassakis as well. Even Elizabeth Harvey, Vlassakis’s mother, participated with Wagner in the strangllng of 26 yr old Ray Davies, a mentally-challenged man. Harvey died of cancer in 2001.

theage.com.au

There are still many documents related to the trials that have still not been released by The Crown prosecutors. Also, Vlassakis is imprisoned under another name, as he gave a lot of evidence which led to the convictions of the others, and is housed at an undisclosed location.

389 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 7:11:52am

re: #385 Killgore Trout

Well, Iran would have loved to invade Iraq, depose Saddam and install a puppet government with loyalty to Iran but they lacked they military might to accomplish that. We did it for them.

And what would intervening militarily now do but keep that puppet in power? Think of it like a market correction: We seriously unbalanced the powers in the region and now they’re righting themselves in our absence. In some parts of the world, that usually takes the form of friendly governments being removed in bloodless coups or simply voted out in the next major election. In this case, it’s a civil war.

390 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:15:05am

re: #388 Justanotherhuman

You should read more about the relationships of the perps to each other and their victims. Did you know that David Johnson, the last victim, and step-brother of James Vlassakis, who was lured to the bank bldg where the barrels were kept, also was cannibalized? Parts of his flesh were fried and eaten by 2 of the perps and possibly Vlassakis as well. Even Elizabeth Harvey, Vlassakis’s mother, participated with Wagner in the strangllng of 26 yr old Ray Davies, a mentally-challenged man. Harvey died of cancer in 2001.

theage.com.au

There are still many documents related to the trials that have still not been released by The Crown prosecutors. Also, Vlassakis is imprisoned under another name, as he gave a lot of evidence which led to the convictions of the others, and is housed at an undisclosed location.

I remember seeing that, I think in the post script of the movie.
I haven’t actually thought of the case in about a year since it was mentioned here. Might look for a good book treatment,

391 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:17:22am

re: #384 Alyosha

This isn’t Cambodia and ISIS isn’t the Khmer Rouge. Sadr City alone will bloody their noses. I’m more concerned about the reaction to the push, rather than the push itself.

To that point,,

A Shia cleric loyal to anti-US cleric Moqtada al Sadr has warned that the 300 US military advisers en route to Iraq will be attacked.

In a sermon from Baghdad’s Sadr City district, Nassir al Saedi threatened what he called “the occupier”, saying: “We will be ready for you if you are back.
news.sky.com

392 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:18:36am

re: #389 Targetpractice

And what would intervening militarily now do but keep that puppet in power?

Obama has plans to push Maliki out of power. I’m wary of how well this might work or even of it’s a good idea. We tried and failed the same thing with Karzai and it didn’t go so well.

393 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:18:44am

re: #373 Killgore Trout

New Moderate Leadership!

Iran rejects U.S. action in Iraq as militants push east

Iran can say whatever it wants as long as it leaves our advisers alone. For our part, we can be critical of them but we should likewise leave any Quds Force people in Iraq alone.

Iran is neither a friend nor and ally. The current situation in Iraq warrants a good measure of mutual toleration or as I like to call it, “live and let kill”. But that’s about it. Sec. Kerry should make very clear to Iran that if it causes something to happen to our people, Iran will badly regret having done so. But unless they do that, the prevailing situation should be both nation’s advisers keeping their distance from each other and working to bring down ISIS.

394 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:19:47am

re: #391 sattv4u2

Well, Moqtada survived a revolt against the US forces in Iraq from pretty much 2004 onwards. Why hasn’t Bush captured him yet!!!

/

395 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 7:19:51am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Obama has plans to push Maliki out of power. I’m wary of how well this might work or even of it’s a good idea. We tried and failed the same thing with Karzai and it didn’t go so well.

Which should have been our first clue that it was better to sit back and watch the fireworks. It’s not our job to save them from themselves.

396 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:21:50am

re: #394 Alyosha

Well, Moqtada survived a revolt against the US forces in Iraq from pretty much 2004 onwards. Why hasn’t Bush captured him yet!!!

/

/ aside

iirc, there was some sort of “agreement” that Moqtada would stand down and on the US’s part we basically left the Sadr city area alone

397 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:21:57am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Obama has plans to push Maliki out of power. I’m wary of how well this might work or even of it’s a good idea. We tried and failed the same thing with Karzai and it didn’t go so well.

To be fair, it looks like efforts against al-Maliki gave Grand Ayatollah al-Sistani in their corner, which gives them a good bit more heft.

398 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 7:24:46am

re: #395 Targetpractice

Which should have been our first clue that it was better to sit back and watch the fireworks. It’s not our job to save them from themselves.

It’s not just about the people, though, it’s also about the oil. Iraq has too much of it for other nations (including the US) to permit it to descend into prolonged failed-state status.

399 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:25:34am

re: #396 sattv4u2

/ aside

iirc, there was some sort of “agreement” that Moqtada would stand down and on the US’s part we basically left the Sadr city area alone

There was. It was almost level-headed of the then administration to defuse a situation that might have involved about 60% of the population at a time when the most dedicated resistance was coming from the ‘Sunni Triangle’, as it was then stupidly nominated.

400 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:26:06am

Yeah ,,, ummm,,,, NO!!!

news.yahoo.com

A Nazi-themed cafe in Indonesia that closed shop after sparking international outrage reopened Saturday with its walls still bearing swastikas and a painting of Adolf Hitler.

401 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 7:26:57am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

It’s not just about the people, though, it’s also about the oil. Iraq has too much of it for other nations (including the US) to permit it to descend into prolonged failed-state status.

FTFY

402 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:32:20am

Again, sourcing this concern from a Lizard I cannot name and echoing the tone of George Packer in his book “Assassins Gate”, we cannot assume domestic partisan positions on this issue. Using the issue of Iraq for political points is distasteful. While I don’t want more American lives to be expended in putting off the next crisis, my first worry is with the Iraqis who recovered from the most recent war who now must consider becoming refugees AGAIN. That is a situation I cannot begin to comprehend.

403 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:33:49am

re: #402 Alyosha

^^^^^ amen

404 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:34:13am

re: #395 Targetpractice

Which should have been our first clue that it was better to sit back and watch the fireworks. It’s not our job to save them from themselves.

I try to avoid the “not our job/problem” arguments. It would be nice if we could help but I agree that it’s often not practical.

405 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 7:37:08am

re: #378 Alyosha

It should be read as a cautionary tale against the kind of vigilante action that gets taken up by sociopaths for their own ends. Add an abused schizophrenic to a psychopathic father-figure and its about what you might expect. Not sure myself what the exact particulars of the case were, but the psychological aspects of the film itself, even if they had to make certain artistic embellishments, were spot on.

From what I’ve read regarding the “Bodies-in-the-barrels” case, the film-makers didn’t do a lot in the way of artistic embellishment. The film adheres very closely to the actual events of the case - which makes it all the more disturbing.

406 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:39:26am

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

Still pushing Snowtown, huh?? you getting risiduals on the sales/ rentals?!?!?!?

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407 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 7:39:27am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

I try to avoid the “not our job/problem” arguments. It would be nice if we could help but I agree that it’s often not practical.

Yet we don’t help the Iraqi people by fixing their domestic problems for them. Nobody fought our Civil War for us, we had to hash it out and let the victor set the rules after the dust had settled. If we intervene on the behalf of one side or the other, then the matter will never be fixed, it will simply go back to festering until we leave again.

408 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:40:41am

re: #403 sattv4u2

The most important point on my advocating comprehensive immigration reform in my own country is this latter point. We need to remember that the people we are taking in aren’t only peasants from bomb-blasted fields. They’re professionals too. Just trying to spare their families from the chaos they might have experienced themselves.

Al Jazeera did a piece on PTSD in Australian vets. Al Jazeera.Commercial stations won’t touch that kind of story even as they couch themselves in the aura of the martial pride of state angle that bad journalism seems to go for.

409 KerFuFFler  Jun 22, 2014 7:43:00am

re: #161 Gus


Getting vertigo here———please stop! :)

410 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:44:09am

re: #408 Alyosha

bad journalism seems to go for.

unfortunately, bad journalism sells

good, measured, reasoned journalism, not so much

The old adage If It Bleeds It Leads is even more prevalent today

411 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 7:45:10am

re: #406 sattv4u2

Still pushing Snowtown, huh?? you getting risiduals on the sales/ rentals?!?!?!?

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YES! BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS IN RESIDUALS!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

:D

412 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 22, 2014 7:45:43am

re: #400 sattv4u2

Yeah ,,, ummm,,,, NO!!!

news.yahoo.com

A Nazi-themed cafe in Indonesia that closed shop after sparking international outrage reopened Saturday with its walls still bearing swastikas and a painting of Adolf Hitler.

People in Asia don’t understand why some matters of Western history and culture are repulsive to Westerners. The finer points of referring to African-Americans are lost on my Chinese students, until I point out the necessity of avoiding offense. Many Chinese books on US history still use “negro” or “Negro,” which students (not knowing better) repeat in class.

413 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:49:29am

re: #412 wheat-dogghazi

Hell, people in my country don’t understand how blackface is offensive. And yet the older generation understand how minstrel music is touchy. It skipped a generation here, sadly.

414 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:50:02am

re: #412 wheat-dogghazi

People in Asia don’t understand why some matters of Western history and culture are repulsive to Westerners

yeah, but this guy “knew”

Henry Mulyana voluntarily shut down his SoldatenKaffee last year after media reports exposed his swastika-clad establishment, prompting death threats and accusation of inciting racial hatred

WW 2 wasn’t “western history and culture”. It encompassed the WORLD

415 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:52:00am

re: #414 sattv4u2

People in Asia don’t understand why some matters of Western history and culture are repulsive to Westerners

yeah, but this guy “knew”

Henry Mulyana voluntarily shut down his SoldatenKaffee last year after media reports exposed his swastika-clad establishment, prompting death threats and accusation of inciting racial hatred

WW 2 wasn’t “western history and culture”. It encompassed the WORLD

I wonder if they respond differently to Dutch or Japanese occupation differently.

416 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:56:13am

Odd Reuters headline for a stub. Made odder with all caps
KERRY SAYS U.S. WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN LIBYA, NOR IS IT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ TODAY

Out of context click baiting or gaffe? place your bets!

417 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 7:58:29am

I’m guessing click bait, there’s probably some nuance to that statement.

418 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 7:58:53am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

I’m guessing click bait, there’s probably some nuance to that statement.

kinda light on the story itself, huh!

419 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 7:59:18am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

I’m guessing click bait, there’s probably some nuance to that statement.

No!
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420 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:00:06am

re: #416 Killgore Trout

Odd Reuters headline for a stub. Made odder with all caps
KERRY SAYS U.S. WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED IN LIBYA, NOR IS IT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT IS HAPPENING IN IRAQ TODAY

Out of context click baiting or gaffe? place your bets!

Given that this John Kerry, who went goose hunting in designer hunting gear in 2004, I’m going to go with ‘gaffe’.

421 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 8:00:13am

re: #418 sattv4u2

kinda light on the story itself, huh!

They do that sometimes for some reason. I guess it’s an editorial decision to get the headline out there first then flesh out the article later.

422 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 8:00:15am

re: #412 wheat-dogghazi

People in Asia don’t understand why some matters of Western history and culture are repulsive to Westerners. The finer points of referring to African-Americans are lost on my Chinese students, until I point out the necessity of avoiding offense. Many Chinese books on US history still use “negro” or “Negro,” which students (not knowing better) repeat in class.

Are they just really old books?

I tried using “African-American” for awhile, until my Jamaican friends took offense (their families left Jamaica 60 years ago, but all the generations still identify very strongly with the culture). Some are US citizens, some are Brits, they’re willing to accept West Indian, and from white people who are discussing larger demographics they’ll take Black as the group descriptor, but they definitely don’t like African American as it seems to lump their culture with people whose families have been here since antebellum times.

(I think the reason they’re so sensitive about it is that most of the Caribbean slaves were freed by revolts of their own doing, they were under Black self-rule for 100 years before the U.S. got rid of Jim Crow.)

423 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:01:40am

What’s a good movie I can add to my Netflix queue?

424 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 8:03:58am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s a good movie I can add to my Netflix queue?

Mrs Satty and I just saw;

Monuments Men (two thumbs up )
Wolf of wall Street (two thumbs down)
Secret life of Walter Mitty (two thumbs sideways)

ymmv

425 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 8:06:47am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s a good movie I can add to my Netflix queue?

Tokyo Story (1953) directed by Yasujirō Ozu. Considered one of the greatest films of all time

426 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:07:27am

re: #424 sattv4u2

Mrs Satty and I just saw;

Monuments Men (two thumbs up )
Wolf of wall Street (two thumbs down)
Secret life of Walter Mitty (two thumbs sideways)

ymmv

I saw “Secret Life of Walter Mitty” years ago, with Danny Kaye. I understand the current version stars Ben Stiller? He’s slightly less insufferable than Adam Sandler, but only slightly.

427 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 8:08:23am

re: #426 Pie-onist Overlord

I saw “Secret Life of Walter Mitty” years ago, with Danny Kaye. I understand the current version stars Ben Stiller? He’s slightly less insufferable than Adam Sandler, but only slightly.

yes. And surprisingly he was pretty good in this. Not the goofball he usually is cast as

428 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:09:29am

When I went to summer camp they showed movies when it rained and outdoor activities were cancelled. Always the same movies over and over. “Old Yeller,” “The Last Voyage” (a disaster movie like Titanic, I think it was about the Andrea Doria) and “Godzilla.”

“Godzilla” was far and away everybody’s favorite.

429 sagehen  Jun 22, 2014 8:10:15am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s a good movie I can add to my Netflix queue?

How long has it been since you watched “West Side Story”?

Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, Jerome Robbins, all at the top of their game. And the cast is pretty good too.

430 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 8:11:55am

re: #428 Pie-onist Overlord

“The Last Voyage” (a disaster movie like Titanic, I think it was about the Andrea Doria)

Was that the one that slid into the water like an old man into a bath?

431 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:13:33am

re: #429 sagehen

How long has it been since you watched “West Side Story”?

Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, Jerome Robbins, all at the top of their game. And the cast is pretty good too.

I was a theater intern for the summer theater season at Detroit Institute of Arts, and worked on costumes and set design for “West Side Story” and “Funny Girl.” The season was cancelled due to the 1967 riots.

I must have watched the stage production and the movie like eleventy bazillion times.

432 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:14:07am

re: #429 sagehen

How long has it been since you watched “West Side Story”?

Leonard Bernstein, Stephen Sondheim, Jerome Robbins, all at the top of their game. And the cast is pretty good too.

Marnie Nixon, singing out of Natalie Wood’s mouth.

433 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 8:16:01am

Reuters just changed the headline and fleshed out the “article”
Kerry says U.S. wants Iraqis to find inclusive leadership

Secretary of State John Kerry said on Sunday the United States wanted the Iraqi people to find a leadership that is prepared to represent all Iraqis but Washington would not pick or choose the leadership in Baghdad.

434 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 22, 2014 8:16:41am
435 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 8:16:48am

re: #431 Pie-onist Overlord

I was a theater intern for the summer theater season at Detroit Institute of Arts, and worked on costumes and set design for “West Side Story” and “Funny Girl.” The season was cancelled due to the 1967 riots.

I must have watched the stage production and the movie like eleventy bazillion times.

Wow! I wish you were my babushka.

436 EmmaAnne  Jun 22, 2014 8:17:24am

437 wheat-dogghazi  Jun 22, 2014 8:17:44am

re: #422 sagehen

Are they just really old books?

I tried using “African-American” for awhile, until my Jamaican friends took offense (their families left Jamaica 60 years ago, but all the generations still identify very strongly with the culture). Some are US citizens, some are Brits, they’re willing to accept West Indian, and from white people who are discussing larger demographics they’ll take Black as the group descriptor, but they definitely don’t like African American as it seems to lump their culture with people whose families have been here since antebellum times.

(I think the reason they’re so sensitive about it is that most of the Caribbean slaves were freed by revolts of their own doing, they were under Black self-rule for 100 years before the U.S. got rid of Jim Crow.)

Yes. Some texts look like they were written* in the 1960s or earlier and never updated. One oral English text we were using when I first came had people ringing up the doctor to make a house call, and asking the operator to make an international call. These have been discarded, thankfully.

re: #414 sattv4u2

People in Asia don’t understand why some matters of Western history and culture are repulsive to Westerners

yeah, but this guy “knew”

Henry Mulyana voluntarily shut down his SoldatenKaffee last year after media reports exposed his swastika-clad establishment, prompting death threats and accusation of inciting racial hatred

WW 2 wasn’t “western history and culture”. It encompassed the WORLD

Well, then he’s trying for free publicity, or he’s trying to make some kind of neo-Nazi statement. As for your second comment, it was a world war, but the Nazis never occupied Indonesia or China. The regional demons are still the Japanese.

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*I say “written” loosely, as many Chinese English texts are mere copies of texts printed in the US or UK. Some parts of one of my current text are ripped from the “pages” of WIkipedia. The Chinese have a very incomplete sense of copyright and plagiarism.

438 ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2014 8:21:10am

re: #377 Justanotherhuman

Speaking of sociopaths, this is another case I followed with some puzzlement about the tendency of peer pressure to “conform” even when you think you’re being hip and edgy.

Michael Alig: ‘We didn’t even realise he was dead’

Michael Alig was the darling of the New York club scene, a magnet for misfits and a lightning rod for conservative outrage. Then he killed a friend. On his release from prison, Emma Brockes unravels a story of our times

theguardian.com

Someone will come along and give this malignant narcissistic sociopath a means of profiting from his infamy with interviews, a book, and other venues. And he will do it, because he really is, unfortunately, incurable.

I followed along on many stories about Alig back when all that was happening. He and that whole crowd was way way out of control. Scary lifestyles all around.

Thanks for the link…hadn’t heard anything about him for some time.

439 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 8:21:23am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Reuters just changed the headline and fleshed out the “article”
Kerry says U.S. wants Iraqis to find inclusive leadership

yeah. That’s how it was being reported while I was driving in this morning

440 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:24:12am

My new Page:

Paul Ryan Just Hammered the IRS
Almost everyone thinks the agency deserves it.

The title is from Slate and it is apt. Please do read the article though, because its easy to think it a wingnut piece based solely on the title, but that conclusion would be incorrect.

441 allegro  Jun 22, 2014 8:29:10am

re: #440 Dark_Falcon

My new Page:

Paul Ryan Just Hammered the IRS
Almost everyone thinks the agency deserves it.

The title is from Slate and it is apt. Please do read the article though, because its easy to think it a wingnut piece based solely on the title, but that conclusion would be incorrect.

Because we’re supposed to believe that this whole witch hunt is about protecting taxpayers?

442 EmmaAnne  Jun 22, 2014 8:31:17am

443 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 8:32:17am

re: #440 Dark_Falcon

My new Page:

Paul Ryan Just Hammered the IRS
Almost everyone thinks the agency deserves it.

The title is from Slate and it is apt. Please do read the article though, because its easy to think it a wingnut piece based solely on the title, but that conclusion would be incorrect.

Schadenfreude.

444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 8:33:30am

re: #434 Pie-onist Overlord

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Why not Israeli bigot or Swedish bigot?

445 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 8:39:18am

re: #444 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Why not Israeli bigot or Swedish bigot?

I prefer French baguettes!

446 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 8:39:49am

Sorry, I’m not going to grant approval to Ryan’s little tirade because folks subject to audits operate under assumed guilt until they prove themselves innocent. The IRS is doing its job, which often means assuming the worst about a tax payer until proven otherwise. Ryan is just another in the chorus line of Republicans convinced that the IRS is engaged in an agency-wide cover-up to protect the White House from…something. What it is we’re supposed to believe is so heinous, I’ve no idea.

447 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:40:00am

re: #441 allegro

Because we’re supposed to believe that this whole witch hunt is about protecting taxpayers?

No, that’s not what john Dickerson is saying. What he is saying is that the IRS as an agency deserves the hostile and disbelieving reaction it got from Chairman Ryan when it announced the Lerner emails had been lost. Dickerson makes the point that if a taxpayer tried to use the excuse the IRS is using to explain why she did not have a receipt from 5 years ago, the agency would act as if she was lying but at the same time is insisting it not be held to the same stringent standards for record keeping.

448 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 8:40:19am

re: #445 sattv4u2

He hasn’t yet received French citizenship as far as I know. /

449 Eventual Carrion  Jun 22, 2014 8:40:49am

re: #398 Dark_Falcon

It’s not just about the people, though, it’s also about the oil. Iraq has too much of it for other nations (including the US) to permit it to descend into prolonged failed-state status.

It always has been from the start.

450 allegro  Jun 22, 2014 8:44:35am

re: #447 Dark_Falcon

No, that’s not what john Dickerson is saying. What he is saying is that the IRS as an agency deserves the hostile and disbelieving reaction it got from Chairman Ryan when it announced the Lerner emails had been lost. Dickerson makes the point that if a taxpayer tried to use the excuse the IRS is using to explain why she did not have a receipt from 5 years ago, the agency would act as if she was lying but at the same time is insisting it not be held to the same stringent standards for record keeping.

Oh I understand the point. I also understand that it’s just another diversion.

451 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 8:46:27am

The IRS gives people it audits the third degree, so Republicans engaged in a witch hunt giving the IRS the third degree is “just deserts.”

Yegods.

452 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 8:49:23am

So an 11 year old girl shot a 78 and a 78 on consecutive days at the US Womens Open Golf Tourney!

Big deal. I do that every time I play

78 on the front 9
78 on the back 9 !!!!!

453 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 8:49:47am

Attack from Syria kills Israeli teen; Israeli military kills two Palestinians

Israel came under attack Sunday on two fronts, according to the Israeli military.

In an incident near the Israeli-Syrian border, a 15-year-old Israeli civilian was killed and two others were injured, the Israeli military said.

“Today’s event on the Syria border intentionally targeted Israelis. The explosion is the most serious attack against Israel in recent months,” the Israel Defense Forces tweeted from its official account on Sunday morning.

“This is not a case of errant fire, but of an intentional attack,” IDF spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said.

454 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 8:54:24am

re: #450 allegro

Oh I understand the point. I also understand that it’s just another diversion.

And why a bunch of people who espouse a worldview that the federal government is at perpetual fault (when a white guy isn’t calling the shots) and should be deprived of the ability to raise revenue of any kind shouldn’t be subjected to an extra bit of scrutiny as to whether they, in turn, chip in their two-bob’s worth for funding such groups as espouse this libertarian ideal.

I’m SO surprised right wing groups fell under this scrutiny.

455 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 8:57:21am

re: #453 Killgore Trout

Attack from Syria kills Israeli teen; Israeli military kills two Palestinians

At least one of the Palestinians was under mental health care. He may have appeared to be a threat without sanely intending to attack or its possible that like too many mentally ill people he was severely depressed. Because his death does resemble a “suicide by cop” situation.

456 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:00:32am

Maybe Chairman Ryan should give his ol’ buddy Scott Walker a jingle? Maybe ask why the IRS might be interested in sleazy little right-wing money shuffling schemes? I mean, it’s not like it’s a hot topic in his own home state or anything… Oh, that’s right, Ryan spends less time in Wisconsin than Walker.

457 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:01:05am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

At least one of the Palestinians was under mental health care. He may have appeared to be a threat without sanely intending to attack or its possible that like too many mentally ill people he was severely depressed. Because his death does resemble a “suicide by cop” situation.

It’s a sad situation. It’s difficult enough for cops to deal with mentally unstable people, they aren’t mental health professionals. Soldiers, operating in a war zone certainly aren’t prepared to deal with the mentally ill, very dangerous situation.

458 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:02:43am

re: #452 sattv4u2

So an 11 year old girl shot a 78 and a 78 on consecutive days at the US Womens Open Golf Tourney!

Big deal. I do that every time I play

78 on the front 9
78 on the back 9 !!!!!

At 5’1” I don’t think she will never catch up to the prowess of Michelle Wie (6’1”), although at age 11, I don’t think she’s completed her height yet. And at age 11 I don’t think she is ready for the Big Time, either. Didn’t MW burn out, and isn’t that a danger for those who start so young in the pros?

459 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:04:40am
460 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:05:41am

re: #456 alpuz

Ryan spends less time in Wisconsin than Walker.

I would venture to say ALL Senators/ congressmen spend less time in their home states than that states governors, no??

461 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:05:44am

re: #451 Targetpractice

The IRS gives people it audits the third degree, so Republicans engaged in a witch hunt giving the IRS the third degree is “just deserts.”

Yegods.

Confining the IRS to the Sahara?

462 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:07:11am

re: #459 Killgore Trout

Image: Zq4yrox.jpg

If that attitude ever become prevalent, we can kiss the human race adios before we destroy our place on the planet.

463 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:07:16am

Ohhhh, even better! Maybe when Chairman Ryan gives Scott walker a call asking why the IRS might be interested in sleazy little right-wing money scheming groups he can pretend he’s some high roller billionaire GoP money guy? Like one of the Kochs? Or, he can pretend he’s the guy running Crossroads superpac… who’s he?

That way Scott Walker will surely pick up the phone for Chairman Ryan.

464 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:07:16am

re: #458 Justanotherhuman

Didn’t MW burn out

She’s sitting (tied) atop the leader board entering the final round today

AND ,, she herself is only 23 iirc ,, so she still has a long career ahead of her

465 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:07:57am

re: #458 Justanotherhuman

re: #464 sattv4u2

Didn’t MW burn out

She’s sitting (tied) atop the leader board entering the final round today

AND ,, she herself is only 23 iirc ,, so she still has a long career ahead of her

Just checked ,,, 24

466 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:08:59am

re: #456 alpuz

Maybe Chairman Ryan should give his ol’ buddy Scott Walker a jingle? Maybe ask why the IRS might be interested in sleazy little right-wing money shuffling schemes? I mean, it’s not like it’s a hot topic in his own home state or anything… Oh, that’s right, Ryan spends less time in Wisconsin than Walker.

He’s the Chairman of the House Budget Committee. Given that job, Paul Ryan has to spend a good bit of his time in Washington DC.

467 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:09:03am

re: #460 sattv4u2

Well then, you don’t pay attention to Scott Walker.

468 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:09:33am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Lulz. Whooooooosh.

469 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:09:44am

re: #463 alpuz

Crossroads GPS Super PAC is run by Karl Rove.

470 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:10:48am

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

Yes. He’s in Walker’s email contact list. Have you not been paying attention?

471 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:12:51am

re: #470 alpuz

You asked a question, I answered it in a respectful manner. Hostility is not called for.

472 Targetpractice  Jun 22, 2014 9:12:58am

re: #461 Justanotherhuman

Confining the IRS to the Sahara?

My sleeping schedule’s all out of whack from watching a marathon. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

473 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:13:33am

re: #462 Justanotherhuman

If that attitude ever become prevalent, we can kiss the human race adios before we destroy our place on the planet.

I’ll let others take care of perpetuating the species. I have a row of rose bushes in front of my house. Mr Lincoln roses, smell fantastic and all the pretty ladies love to stop and admire them. Sometimes makes me want a wife but I know once you let women into the house, the next thing you know you’re buying new furniture and drapes every year. God forbid they start having babies. I don’t have the patience or finances for it. I cherish my quiet and no drama life. It’s certainly not for everybody but it works for me.

474 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:15:55am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

I’ll let others take care of perpetuating the species. I have a row of rose bushes in front of my house. Mr Lincoln roses, smell fantastic and all the pretty ladies love to stop and admire them. Sometimes makes me want a wife but I know once you let women into the house, the next thing you know you’re buying new furniture and drapes every year. God forbid they start having babies. I don’t have the patience or finances for it. I cherish my quiet and no drama life. It’s certainly not for everybody but it works for me.

Quite some generalities you posit there.

Probably best that you don’t marry and/or have kids. : )

475 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:17:14am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

476 alpuz  Jun 22, 2014 9:17:45am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Actually, Dark… Hostility is Walker’s bread and butter. He wins elections on it.

Now, do you really want to parade Paul Ryan(WisGoP) out as your champion when it comes to calling out the IRS when it comes to sleazy little right wing money scheming groups?

477 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:18:22am

re: #475 Dark_Falcon

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Physician, heal thyself!!

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Hostility is not called for.

478 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:20:51am

re: #474 Justanotherhuman

Quite some generalities you posit there.

Probably best that you don’t marry and/or have kids. : )

Agreed, I think way too many people choose marriage and children because it’s a social norm. Many people aren’t suited for it.

479 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:21:08am

Belgium v Russia in the World Cup right now

No shots of a shirtless Putin in the stands as of yet!!

480 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:22:03am

re: #477 sattv4u2

Physician, heal thyself!!

Hostility is not called for.

When Killgore posts stuff like that, then a certain level of snark is clearly called for, because he is trolling.

481 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:23:50am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

,,,,, I know once you let women into the house, the next thing you know you’re buying new furniture and drapes every year

I’ve seen your furniture/ drapes

You could use an upgrade!!! ((the cable spool coffee table is a nice touch, however,,, as are the cinder block held book shelves!!))
//

482 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:24:09am

Un corbeau fume un joint
Youtube Video

483 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 9:25:29am

re: #473 Killgore Trout

Sometimes makes me want a wife but I know once you let women into the house, the next thing you know you’re buying new furniture and drapes every year. God forbid they start having babies. I don’t have the patience or finances for it. I cherish my quiet and no drama life. It’s certainly not for everybody but it works for me.

What an asinine statement. Downding for your blatant sexism.

484 Alyosha  Jun 22, 2014 9:26:14am

re: #478 Killgore Trout

Agreed, I think way too many people choose marriage and children because it’s a social norm. Many people aren’t suited for it.

Though the tone might be trollish, the content itself isn’t particularly controversial. In my view, I wish the argument might be made without it being considered a fishing exercise.

485 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:27:01am

re: #481 sattv4u2

,,,,, I know once you let women into the house, the next thing you know you’re buying new furniture and drapes every year

I’ve seen your furniture/ drapes

You could use an upgrade!!! ((the cable spool coffee table is a nice touch, however,,, as are the cinder block held book shelves!!))
//

No sarc tags needed. I still have most of the milk crates I stole in college and my mattress is still on the floor. But my house is paid off, no car loan, no alimony, no child support. I live modestly but I might even be able to retire early with a little luck.

486 nines09  Jun 22, 2014 9:27:15am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

This. Late night spoof slap stick can’t count all the stars and going to be stars.

487 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:28:07am

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

When Killgore posts stuff like that, then a certain level of snark is clearly called for, because he is trolling.

“stuff like that”???

What. That he is aware that he doesn’t want a wife. Doesn’t have the financial wherewithal to have kids even IF he wanted them. Is content with the furniture and drapes he has!!

that BASTARD !!

488 blueraven  Jun 22, 2014 9:32:29am

re: #487 sattv4u2

“stuff like that”???

What. That he is aware that he doesn’t want a wife. Doesn’t have the financial wherewithal to have kids even IF he wanted them. Is content with the furniture and drapes he has!!

that BASTARD !!

Pro Tip - Not all women want to buy new furniture and drapes every year.
I have the same furniture for years. Leather sofas last a long time.
I shop garage sales, flea markets, thrift stores and practice DIY.
I manage to keep a fresh look for very little money.

And…I know a LOT of men who need new toys all the time.

489 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 9:32:50am

re: #487 sattv4u2

“stuff like that”???

What. That he is aware that he doesn’t want a wife. Doesn’t have the financial wherewithal to have kids even IF he wanted them. Is content with the furniture and drapes he has!!

that BASTARD !!

The assumption that every woman would necessarily want to buy new drapes and furniture every year is where *that* comes from. Nobody begrudges KT his single life, but his troglodyte statements justifying his choice are beneath contempt.

490 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:35:56am

Charles, this tread is jacked on my iPhone 5S and iPad mini 2. It crashes Safari on both devices when trying to sign in. First time this has ever happened. I can sign in on the main page, and other topics, but if I go into this topic trying to sign in from there, or already signed in, Safari goes kaput.

I’m sure it’s a memory issue. I have cleared history and cache/browsing data on both devices, but that doesn’t help. The only thing I can think of is that those new fun animated icons are causing this. While those are fun and all, I don’t think they really serve any purpose. None of the other topics makes Safari crash, and there have been other lengthier ones that haven’t caused any problems.

Just an FYI!

491 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:36:41am

hyperbole,,,, how does it work

492 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:37:52am

re: #472 Targetpractice

My sleeping schedule’s all out of whack from watching a marathon. That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it.

Marathon, you say?

Youtube Video

493 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:39:44am

re: #487 sattv4u2

“stuff like that”???

What. That he is aware that he doesn’t want a wife. Doesn’t have the financial wherewithal to have kids even IF he wanted them. Is content with the furniture and drapes he has!!

that BASTARD !!

No. That’s not it at all.

494 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 9:39:45am

re: #490 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles, this tread is jacked on my iPhone 5S and iPad mini 2. It crashes Safari on both devices when trying to sign in. First time this has ever happened. I can sign in on the main page, and other topics, but if I go into this topic trying to sign in from there, or already signed in, Safari goes kaput.

I’m sure it’s a memory issue. I have cleared history and cache/browsing data on both devices, but that doesn’t help. The only thing I can think of is that those new fun animated icons are causing this. While those are fun and all, I don’t think they really serve any purpose. None of the other topics makes Safari crash, and there have been other lengthier ones that haven’t caused any problems.

Just an FYI!

Just tried on my iPhone. Same issue. Starts to load then crashes.

495 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 9:40:25am

re: #488 blueraven

Pro Tip - Not all women want to buy new furniture and drapes every year.
I have the same furniture for years. Leather sofas last a long time.
I shop garage sales, flea markets, thrift stores and practice DIY.
I manage to keep a fresh look for very little money.

And…I know a LOT of men who need new toys all the time.

With the exception of my bed - which I bought - my fridge cost $25, my washing machine was a freebie, the sofa came with the apartment, and everything else: stove, coffee table/cloth, microwave, furniture, plates, drinking glasses and cups and other assorted sundries - was all stuff I found that people have thrown away.

Berlin is best for that. I found a SonyEricsson phone, with a bad display, but other than that brand new, with charger. Bought a display online, installed it myself, sold the phone $75. The display cost me $3.50.

It’s amazing what people throw out. And kind of sad, too. People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

496 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 22, 2014 9:41:15am

re: #491 sattv4u2

hyperbole,,,, how does it work

When mixed with the usual concern trolling? Who knows what is and what isn´t ?

497 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 9:42:50am

re: #488 blueraven

Pro Tip - Not all women want to buy new furniture and drapes every year.
I have the same furniture for years. Leather sofas last a long time.
I shop garage sales, flea markets, thrift stores and practice DIY.
I manage to keep a fresh look for very little money.

And…I know a LOT of men who need new toys all the time.

Isn’t that the truth. We bought new furniture when we bought a new house in 2003. In 2007, we needed to move into a different house in order to have my grandmother live with us. We made the furniture work even though it doesn’t really fit this house. It’s starting to get beat up, but I have no plans to get any new furniture anytime soon. My husband, on the other hand, has to have every new Apple product that comes out along with other things that he considers “must haves.” Costs us a lot of money!

As for drama, it only happens if you let it happen. We don’t do too much drama in our home (even with 7 and 9 year old girls).

498 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:43:38am

re: #495 Dr Lizardo

With the exception of my bed - which I bought - my fridge cost $25, my washing machine was a freebie, the sofa came with the apartment, and everything else: stove, coffee table/cloth, microwave, furniture, plates, drinking glasses and cups and other assorted sundries - was all stuff I found that people have thrown away.

Berlin is best for that. I found a SonyEricsson phone, with a bad display, but other than that brand new, with charger. Bought a display online, installed it myself, sold the phone $75. The display cost me $3.50.

It’s amazing what people throw out. And kind of sad, too. People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

Want to get together? : )

499 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:44:28am

re: #494 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Just tried on my iPhone. Same issue. Starts to load then crashes.

So I’m not alone. For once. lol

500 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 9:45:40am

re: #498 Justanotherhuman

Want to get together? : )

Heh.

I’m good at finding things, and here at least, a lot of people throw away perfectly usable items for whatever reasons. I guess I’m the Fred Sanford of Ostrava. I should open a business.

:D

501 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:46:00am

re: #496 William Barnett-Lewis

When mixed with the usual concern trolling? Who knows what is and what isn´t ?

Which was my point, and I thank you for the help in making it. If you or Satt or Dr. Lizardo had said that, I’d have taken it as being said in jest. But Killgore has on many occasions said things in order to draw a reaction and ASFAICT this was one of those occasions.

502 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:46:03am

Pro tip: If you have cats, never buy new furniture. It will decrease half in value by bedtime same day you buy it. : )

503 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:46:44am

re: #500 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’m good at finding things, and here at least, a lot of people throw away perfectly usable items for whatever reasons. I guess I’m the Fred Sanford of Ostrava. I should open a business.

:D

Speaking of Fred Sanford, I saw the X-Men movie last night. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Those of you that have seen it get this post. lol

504 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 9:47:45am

re: #497 Sionainn

Isn’t that the truth. We bought new furniture when we bought a new house in 2003. In 2007, we needed to move into a different house in order to have my grandmother live with us. We made the furniture work even though it doesn’t really fit this house. It’s starting to get beat up, but I have no plans to get any new furniture anytime soon. My husband, on the other hand, has to have every new Apple product that comes out along with other things that he considers “must haves.” Costs us a lot of money!

As for drama, it only happens if you let it happen. We don’t do too much drama in our home (even with 7 and 9 year old girls).

You just wait till those girls enter their teen years, then there’ll be drama a-plenty. :)

505 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 9:47:46am

re: #423 Pie-onist Overlord

What’s a good movie I can add to my Netflix queue?

Clue AND Top Secret. They go together like peas and carrots, yes they do.

506 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 9:48:56am

re: #504 Dark_Falcon

You just wait till those girls enter their teen years, then there’ll be drama a-plenty. :)

I’m going to hide in the spare room and work on projects and let my husband handle it. ;-)

507 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:49:36am

re: #495 Dr Lizardo

People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

yup

With things like that being plentiful and inexpensive to replace we really have become a throw away society. For a few bucks for parts for repairs and some elbow grease you can get 2, 3, 4 times the usage out of something that many would just rather toss and get a shiny new/ in the box/ never been used one. Only to toss that one away once the 1st chip is on it

508 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 9:50:53am

re: #488 blueraven

Pro Tip - …snip

And…I know a LOT of men who need new toys all the time.

Cabin Cruiser 1958
Land Rover 1973
Yamaha Thumper 1980
Paracommander Parachute 1980

But…You must buy classic ‘toys’.

509 blueraven  Jun 22, 2014 9:50:57am

re: #495 Dr Lizardo

With the exception of my bed - which I bought - my fridge cost $25, my washing machine was a freebie, the sofa came with the apartment, and everything else: stove, coffee table/cloth, microwave, furniture, plates, drinking glasses and cups and other assorted sundries - was all stuff I found that people have thrown away.

Berlin is best for that. I found a SonyEricsson phone, with a bad display, but other than that brand new, with charger. Bought a display online, installed it myself, sold the phone $75. The display cost me $3.50.

It’s amazing what people throw out. And kind of sad, too. People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

I find great deals all the time. At a church bazaar I got my sansui 1970s receiver plus an Akai reel to reel with many tapes of 70s music…led zeppelin etc…all for $25. Both work great.

510 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:52:47am

re: #507 sattv4u2


People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

yup

With things like that being plentiful and inexpensive to replace we really have become a threw away society. For a few bucks for parts for repairs and some elbow grease you can get 2, 3, 4 times the usage out of something that many would just rather toss and get a shiny new/ in the box/ never been used one. Only to toss that one away once the 1st chip is on it

I was kind of excited when my microwave finally broke after 15 years. I always wanted to take it apart and see what inside.

511 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:53:09am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

I was kind of excited when my microwave finally broke after 15 years. I always wanted to take it apart and see what inside.

I unplugged it first.

512 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:53:43am

re: #500 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’m good at finding things, and here at least, a lot of people throw away perfectly usable items for whatever reasons. I guess I’m the Fred Sanford of Ostrava. I should open a business.

:D

One word for a lot of items: Paint. You’d be surprised at what old wood furniture brings in when repainted (don’t bother w/the veneer/plastic crap, though). If anything has good bones, I can make it happen, even if a little upholstery is required. I’ve had the same dining room set for 35 yrs. Seats have been redone numerous times. When people come for dinner, a tablecloth comes out. I will never get rid of it and will pass it down. Made in Italy and the only really contemporary thing in my apt.

513 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 9:54:00am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

I was kind of excited when my microwave finally broke after 15 years. I always wanted to take it apart and see what inside.

Sticking your head in a microwave

‘splains a LOT

514 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:54:36am

re: #513 sattv4u2

Sticking your head in a microwave

‘splains a LOT

I put on a tinfoil hat for protection.

515 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 9:55:16am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

I was kind of excited when my microwave finally broke after 15 years. I always wanted to take it apart and see what inside.

There are interesting things you can do with the klystron.

516 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 9:56:34am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

I put on a tinfoil hat for protection.

Hair on fire much?

517 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 9:56:46am

re: #515 Decatur Deb

There are interesting things you can do with the klystron.

I like to tinker but I know my limits. I just looked at the stuff and poked it a bit.

518 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 9:57:21am

re: #507 sattv4u2


People throw away perfectly good stuff. For example, my electric kettle, which I found not long ago - locally manufactured and in almost brand-new condition. I cleaned it up, and voila!

yup

With things like that being plentiful and inexpensive to replace we really have become a throw away society. For a few bucks for parts for repairs and some elbow grease you can get 2, 3, 4 times the usage out of something that many would just rather toss and get a shiny new/ in the box/ never been used one. Only to toss that one away once the 1st chip is on it

I still can’t figure out why the electric kettle was thrown away, other than it’s a discontinued model.

519 Decatur Deb  Jun 22, 2014 9:58:37am

re: #518 Dr Lizardo

I still can’t figure out why the electric kettle was thrown away, other than it’s a discontinued model.

[Embedded image]

Might be the rabid rat tea they made.

520 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 22, 2014 9:58:49am

re: #508 Decatur Deb

Cabin Cruiser 1958
Land Rover 1973
Yamaha Thumper 1980
Paracommander Parachute 1980

But…You must buy classic ‘toys’.

1972 S&W Model 10
1942 Type 99 Arisaka
1932 Brazilian Contract VZ-24
1929 ¨Ex-Dragoon¨ Model 91/30
1904 Elgin 14 jewel watch
Unknown age plain glass oil lamp that is cheaper to fuel than electricity ;)

:whistles:

521 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:01:24am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

I put on a tinfoil hat for protection.

hey. I should talk. I work at a place that has warning signs ALL OVER the place saying that WARNING,, BEYOND THIS POINT you are entering a RADIO FREQUENCY EMISSIONS AREA THAT MAY EXCEED FCC UNCONTROLLED GENERAL POPULATION LIMITS!!

And yes,,,, my head does glow in the dark. Why do you ask ??

522 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 10:04:02am

re: #520 William Barnett-Lewis

1972 S&W Model 10
1942 Type 99 Arisaka
1932 Brazilian Contract VZ-24
1929 ¨Ex-Dragoon¨ Model 91/30
1904 Elgin 14 jewel watch
Unknown age plain glass oil lamp that is cheaper to fuel than electricity ;)

:whistles:

Guns, guns, guns! Geeze, Will, at the rate you’re going you may be able to outfit a liberal militia a few years from now. Wouldn’t that just blow Sean Hannity’s mind?

523 Varek Raith  Jun 22, 2014 10:05:23am

I’m single.
Yet, not an asshole.
Funny, that.
XD

524 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:06:58am

re: #523 Varek Raith

I’m single.
Yet, not an asshole.
Funny, that.
XD

Well. Lets not get carried away!!
/

525 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:09:14am

Where do babby come from?

526 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 10:09:47am

re: #512 Justanotherhuman

One word for a lot of items: Paint. You’d be surprised at what old wood furniture brings in when repainted (don’t bother w/the veneer/plastic crap, though). If anything has good bones, I can make it happen, even if a little upholstery is required. I’ve had the same dining room set for 35 yrs. Seats have been redone numerous times. When people come for dinner, a tablecloth comes out. I will never get rid of it and will pass it down. Made in Italy and the only really contemporary thing in my apt.

The coffee table I found - as well as the tablecloth I found a few weeks later. Someone had thrown both of these out.

527 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:09:57am

Women and their drapes, amiright guys?

528 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:10:42am

Iraqi militants seize 2 more border crossings
ISIS sure is on a winning streak.

529 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:11:15am

re: #518 Dr Lizardo

re: #519 Decatur Deb

Might be the rabid rat tea they made.

“Kettle? I thought it was an electric chamberpot!! Throw that thing away. And make sure you break it so nobody picks it up thinking they can brew coffee in it”

530 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:12:42am

re: #527 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Women and their drapes, amiright guys?

Women and their spontaneous baby production. You can’t explain that.

531 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:13:01am

reminds me of

Youtube Video

532 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 10:13:44am

re: #527 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Women and their drapes, amiright guys?

I dunno, Obdi. In my opinion the right drapes can turn a decent looking window into a very good looking window, and the right table cloth can really give the dining room table the right touch.

;)

533 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:14:35am

re: #525 Gus

Where do babby come from?

i iwll xplin mroing

534 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:14:42am

Curtains and drapes. Yep, not going there.

536 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:15:13am

re: #490 GlutenFreeJesus

Charles, this tread is jacked on my iPhone 5S and iPad mini 2. It crashes Safari on both devices when trying to sign in. First time this has ever happened. I can sign in on the main page, and other topics, but if I go into this topic trying to sign in from there, or already signed in, Safari goes kaput.

I’m sure it’s a memory issue. I have cleared history and cache/browsing data on both devices, but that doesn’t help. The only thing I can think of is that those new fun animated icons are causing this. While those are fun and all, I don’t think they really serve any purpose. None of the other topics makes Safari crash, and there have been other lengthier ones that haven’t caused any problems.

Just an FYI!

More on this… issues on my PC as well. Anyone else have this topic page freeze up when trying to enter anything in any of the text entry fields to the left ie. Google LGF/Search News? Even trying the Contact link freezes the page up when trying to enter in my email to notify Charles.

By freeze up, I mean once you click any of the text entry fields to the left, you’re unable to actually enter anything, or click on any links, but the page scrolls up and down like normal, at least at first. Then the page just totally freezes up. It doesn’t freeze up Chrome as a whole though. I am typing this from another tab right now.

537 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:15:27am

re: #530 Gus

Women and their spontaneous baby production. You can’t explain that.

Sure you can. Tubes!

538 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:16:02am

re: #537 GlutenFreeJesus

Sure you can. Tubes!

Inner or You???

539 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:16:23am

re: #538 sattv4u2

Inner or You???

A series of.

540 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:16:33am

re: #537 GlutenFreeJesus

Sure you can. Tubes!

Spastic tubes can repel a pregnancy. Fact!

541 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:16:38am

re: #530 Gus

Women and their spontaneous baby production. You can’t explain that.

Shit I just realized I bought the drapes for our apartment.

Holy hell I’m a woman. Now I have to learn how to weave and talk about emotions and stop drinking beer and all those other woman things.

Killgore’s post reminded me of this awesome Onion article:

Asshole Admits To Being Asshole In Supreme Asshole Move

542 Sionainn  Jun 22, 2014 10:16:48am

re: #527 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Women and their drapes, amiright guys?

We don’t have drapes. ;-)

543 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:17:34am

re: #536 GlutenFreeJesus

More on this… issues on my PC as well. Anyone else have this topic page freeze up when trying to enter anything in any of the text entry fields to the left ie. Google LGF/Search News? Even trying the Contact link freezes the page up when trying to enter in my email to notify Charles.

By freeze up, I mean once you click any of the text entry fields to the left, you’re unable to actually enter anything, or click on any links, but the page scrolls up and down like normal, at least at first. Then the page just totally freezes up. It doesn’t freeze up Chrome as a whole though. I am typing this from another tab right now.

This thread is basically frozen on my little Chromebook, works fine on a Win7 laptop.

544 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:18:06am

re: #535 Killgore Trout

Hamas warns of third intifada amid West Bank raids

Hmmm, they’re also pretty pissed and the PA. I’m guessing this intifada may include ousting or weakening Fatah in the West Bank.

545 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:18:10am

re: #538 sattv4u2

Inner or You???

Floppyan! (hur hur fallopian)

546 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:18:53am

re: #540 Gus

Spastic tubes can repel a pregnancy. Fact!

Or encourage… depends on your take in the matter. ;)

547 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:19:18am

re: #544 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, they’re also pretty pissed and the PA. I’m guessing this intifada may include ousting or weakening Fatah in the West Bank.

maybe those taking over will install new drapes!!!

548 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:19:30am

re: #543 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

This thread is basically frozen on my little Chromebook, works fine on a Win7 laptop.

Well I have 16GB RAM on my PC, so I don’t think that’s the issue. Oh well.

549 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 10:20:15am

The correct term is curtains, not “drapes” anyway.

Don’t ever let a decorator hear you say “drapes”. You will be crucified forthwith. : )

550 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:20:19am

re: #543 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Prolly because of all the spinning.

551 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:20:37am

re: #547 sattv4u2

maybe those taking over will install new drapes!!!

Outrage!

552 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:21:41am

re: #549 Justanotherhuman

The correct term is curtains, not “drapes” anyway.

Don’t ever let a decorator hear you say “drapes”. You will be crucified forthwith. : )

Elitist antidrapism!

553 Bear  Jun 22, 2014 10:22:07am

Talk about the “throw away” things that are still in working condition, what about all the old computers that have to be junked because an operating system is no longer available.

554 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:22:09am

re: #549 Justanotherhuman

The correct term is curtains, not “drapes” anyway.

Don’t ever let a decorator hear you say “drapes”. You will be crucified forthwith. : )

When I was a kid I called them ‘sashays’. I still think that’s the best term.

555 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 10:23:05am

re: #553 Bear

Talk about the “throw away” things that are still in working condition, what about all the old computers that have to be junked because an operating system is no longer available.

Yeah, I’m on a 2003 Compaq and my grandson wants to build me a new one.

I say, why? It serves my purposes. : )

556 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:23:29am

I should test out my wifi connection on the davenport.

557 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:25:13am

558 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:26:11am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

I should test out my wifi connection on the davenport.

You’re in Iowa!?!?!

559 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 10:26:37am

So, why a photo of a Pakistani addict, Yahoo?

Authorities: Greece makes Europe’s ‘largest ever’ heroin seizure - @AFP
Read more on yahoo.com

560 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:26:46am

re: #549 Justanotherhuman

The correct term is curtains, not “drapes” anyway.

Don’t ever let a decorator hear you say “drapes”. You will be crucified forthwith. : )

Outside-looking-box thing-on-the-wall skirts!

561 BlueSpotinAL  Jun 22, 2014 10:27:15am

re: #521 sattv4u2

I work at a place that has a sign: “Do not look at laser with remaining good eye”

562 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 10:28:03am

Testing, pls ignore…

WTF?

GRAYS

OUTRAGED dudebro!!11!

563 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:28:30am

Registurd Demacrats. CUNFIRMED FACT!!!!!!!!!!

Escapees in Canadian helicopter jailbreak captured

564 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 10:28:51am

re: #557 Gus

Jack & Jill?

565 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:29:00am

re: #562 CuriousLurker

Excuse me, did you say something?

566 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:29:16am

Ok, I have to admit the spinning things are getting annoying to me. Gifs are bad enough, but the mindless rotation of objects for rotation’s sake?

Maybe there could be a way to “turn off” the rotating things in your own browser? So those who enjoy it can have their fun and the curmudgeons like myself can read the thread in peace.

/offmylawn

567 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:29:17am

re: #564 CuriousLurker

Jack & Jill?

Woman. Babby.

568 blueraven  Jun 22, 2014 10:29:26am

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

I dunno, Obdi. In my opinion the right drapes can turn a decent looking window into a very good looking window, and the right table cloth can really give the dining room table the right touch.

;)

But it is the rug that really ties the room together.

569 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:29:30am

FACTS

570 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 10:30:03am

re: #565 GlutenFreeJesus

Excuse me, did you say something?

Heh, nope it wasn’t me.

571 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:30:20am

BEES

572 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:31:36am

573 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:31:48am

God forbid they start having babies.

574 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:31:51am

Also, readability. That lime green font some people were using last night is a strain on the eyes.

575 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:32:06am

Good luck getting through airport security with one of these
Isis Hoodies and T-Shirts For Sale Online As Islamist ‘Brand’ Goes Global

With more than 9,000 likes on Facebook, retailer Zirah Moslem on its website calls itself a purveyor of “Islamic style” and sells clothing that promotes a range of Islamist groups.

In one design, emblazoned with the slogan “Mujahideen Around the World/ United We Stand”, figures wearing keffiyeh and brandishing weapons pose like characters on a Hollywood movie poster.

Other T-shirts promote the Taliban and Hamas, both named as terrorist organisations by the US state department.

Kaos Islamic State of Iraq and al Sham (Isis) sells T-shirts under the outdoor wear/sporting goods section with the name Isis alongside pictures of Kalashnikov rifles and a globe, presumably signifying the group’s plans for world domination.

Other Indonesia-based companies selling jihad-themed clothing online include Kavkaz Struggle Wear, which sells T-shirts emblazoned with the slogan “I Love Jihad” in English and Arabic, and Rezji Islamic Clothing and Shop, which advertises small figures of Isis fighters, which come with a free sticker.

576 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:32:16am

re: #572 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

[Embedded image]

Ha! Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!

577 Snarknado!  Jun 22, 2014 10:32:31am

re: #494 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Just tried on my iPhone. Same issue. Starts to load then crashes.

My tablet (running kit kat and firefox) has just crashed firefox without warning, losing all history of what was running, and is now slowing to a crawl again. First time, I think. Since LGF was tke only thing running…

578 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:33:16am

re: #566 Rev_Arthur_Belling

amen

579 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:33:17am

re: #577 Snarknado!

Because of all the hot action here! /

580 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 10:33:53am

re: #563 GlutenFreeJesus

Registurd Demacrats. CUNFIRMED FACT!!!!!!!!!!

Escapees in Canadian helicopter jailbreak captured

No, you need to get your meme right. American mass shooters are “Registered Democrats”, thugs who break out of a prison in Quebec are “EuroSocialists”.

581 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:34:12am

re: #578 sattv4u2

Wait till Font Awesome adds bouncing etc. ;)

582 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 10:34:48am
583 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 10:35:32am

re: #574 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also, readability. That lime green font some people were using last night is a strain on the eyes.

Pro Tip: Shhh, you’re just gonna make it worse.

584 Justanotherhuman  Jun 22, 2014 10:35:43am

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

No, you need to get your meme right. American mass shooters are “Registered Democrats”, thugs who break out of a prison in Quebec are “EuroSocialists”.

Almost. EuroSocialistTrash.

585 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:35:50am

re: #581 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Wait till Font Awesome adds bouncing etc. ;)

As long as they also add “turn off useless animations” at the same time, I’ll be good. I mean, seriously. This is like the < blink > tag 2.0.

587 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:36:58am

re: #574 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Also, readability. That lime green font some people were using last night is a strain on the eyes.

It’ll be a thing briefly and then calm down to a reasonable level, like the name changed and in-line pictures, and wingnut font.

588 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:37:16am

re: #583 CuriousLurker

Pro Tip: Shhh, you’re just gonna make it worse.

Eh, I kept my mouth shut through 500+ comments.

589 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:37:54am

re: #588 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Eh, I kept my mouth shut through 500+ comments.

It actually gave me a little headache last night

590 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:37:55am

re: #585 Rev_Arthur_Belling

It’s the first day. What do you expect? ;)

591 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:39:07am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

Image: isis-figurine-sold-by-rezimltn-ultimate-islamic-brand-according-its-homepage-facebook.jpg I M A G E ⸩

Ooohhh,,, do they have travel mugs yet?

592 Gus  Jun 22, 2014 10:40:47am

DIZZY

593 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:41:20am

re: #591 sattv4u2

Ooohhh,,, do they have travel mugs yet?

yup
google.com

594 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 10:41:50am

re: #582 Justanotherhuman

[Embedded content]

Unfortunately, they learned from the routing of Al Qaeda in Iraq back in 2007. This time, ISIS is making sure there cannot be an “Anbar Awakening” by killing the leaders who could foment opposition.

595 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 10:43:08am

re: #590 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

It’s the first day. What do you expect? ;)

Like I said, I held my peace through the whole night, and watched all the spinning go on, mildly amused and thinking the same thing. But it’s a mostly useless CSS toy as used here, and annoying to boot. In My Humble Opinion. So, take it fwiw.

I should add that I think the overall use of Font Awesome for various icons and fonts, etc. is a good thing. The rotating, not so much.

596 blueraven  Jun 22, 2014 10:44:12am

re: #595 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Like I said, I held my peace through the whole night, and watched all the spinning go on, mildly amused and thinking the same thing. But it’s a mostly useless CSS toy as used here, and annoying to boot. In My Humble Opinion. So, take it fwiw.

I should add that I think the overall use of Font Awesome for various icons and fonts, etc. is a good thing. The rotating, not so much.

It’s a new toy. Just scroll past.

597 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 10:45:12am
598 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 10:46:02am

re: #593 Killgore Trout

yup
google.com

Different ISIS, I do believe.

599 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:46:10am

re: #595 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hold my beer and watch this rotate…

600 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:48:40am

Putey pute will NOT be happy

2 1/2 minutes left and Russia is losing to Belgium 0-1

601 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 10:50:01am

re: #600 sattv4u2

Putey pute will NOT be happy

2 1/2 minutes left and Russia is losing to Belgium 0-1

Tomorrow’s headline; Russia Declares War On Belgium!

602 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:50:59am

Islamist website is also selling ANON themed gear
Image: zm-43ai.jpg I M A G E ⸩

603 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:54:25am

From the “out of stock” section

Image: 555315_452003971490082_1416271562_n.jpg

I can see how that’d be a big seller

604 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 10:55:57am

re: #603 Killgore Trout

From the “out of stock” section

Image: 555315_452003971490082_1416271562_n.jpg

I can see how that’d be a big seller

“But Mom. All the other kids are wearing THEIRS to the concert jihad “

605 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 10:56:23am

Damn, this one’s sold out too
Image: sold+out.jpg

606 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jun 22, 2014 10:57:11am

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Damn, this one’s sold out too
Image: sold+out.jpg

I’m afraid he’s past his expiration date ;)

607 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 22, 2014 10:59:58am

re: #580 Dark_Falcon

No, you need to get your meme right. American mass shooters are “Registered Democrats”, thugs who break out of a prison in Quebec are “EuroSocialists”.

Who cares. It’s Obama’s fault.

608 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:00:58am

re: #606 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

I’m afraid he’s past his expiration date ;)

hey. Michael Jacksons albums still sell after HE died

609 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 11:01:31am

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Damn, this one’s sold out too
Image: sold+out.jpg

Oh the irony of using a beer brand rip-off to market Jihad.

610 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:02:04am

re: #608 sattv4u2

hey. Michael Jacksons albums still sell after HE died

When Hamas gets ahold of that MJ hologram technology there’ll be one hell of a rally.

611 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:03:57am

re: #609 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Oh the irony of using a beer brand rip-off to market Jihad.

It looks like they’re marketing to western Islamist youth, they aren’t known for being particularly observant.

612 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:04:33am

I couldn;t find the toy section of their website. Too bad, I really liked the ISIS plushie.

613 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 11:11:37am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

It looks like they’re marketing to western Islamist youth, they aren’t known for being particularly observant.

And it’s not like other religious groups haven’t ripped off problematic brands to market their message, either:

ep.yimg.com

614 bratwurst  Jun 22, 2014 11:11:47am

re: #527 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Women and their drapes, amiright guys?

Nothing like misogyny on the first day of summer.

615 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:12:29am

Hiding this one just in case anyone’s prone to seizures…

616 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 11:12:35am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

It looks like they’re marketing to western Islamist youth, they aren’t known for being particularly observant.

The only thing that will ultimately lay ISIS down is a crushing defeat. For instance, like how their intellectual predecessors were dealt with in the Kharijite Rebellion of 866-896 A.D. They were ultimately eliminated for the most part, even though some of their ideas later resurfaced under Muhammad ibn Abd-al Wahhab in the 18th Century.

617 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:14:46am

re: #615 CuriousLurker

Hiding this one just case anyone’s prone to seizures…

[Embedded content]

t/y

618 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:16:29am

re: #613 Rev_Arthur_Belling

And it’s not like other religious groups haven’t ripped off problematic brands to market their message, either:

ep.yimg.com

Wha ,,,,,,, no axes chopping through ‘enemies” skulls!?!?!

feh !!!
/

619 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:17:53am

re: #616 Dr Lizardo

The only thing that will ultimately lay ISIS down is a crushing defeat. For instance, like how their intellectual predecessors were dealt with in the Kharijite Rebellion of 866-896 A.D. They were ultimately eliminated for the most part, even though some of their ideas later resurfaced under Muhammad ibn Abd-al Wahhab in the 18th Century.

It’ll happen eventually, the theological basis for Al Qaeda,ISIS,Boko Haram, etc has been around a while so it’s not going to disappear any time soon. The anti-Islamists are always going on about Fatwas but I think the non-centalized structure of Islam potentially makes it a very adaptable religion. Unfortunately the “conservatives” (i’ll use that term loosely) have a lot of influence now, but that will change.

620 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:18:09am

Stanley Sea, are you paying attention? If so, I left you some examples of using the color tags in my pastebin: pastebin.com

621 Rightwingconspirator  Jun 22, 2014 11:18:14am

re: #615 CuriousLurker
re: #592 Gus
re: #572 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Well certainly glad I do not have a hangover this morning! One of those might have just been the tipping point.

622 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 11:20:08am

re: #618 sattv4u2

Wha ,,,,,,, no axes chopping through ‘enemies” skulls!?!?!

feh !!!
/

I didn’t dig far enough through the Google image search. I was commenting on the ripping off of brands to sell a religious ideology, which certain strands of Christianity have been very successful at, starting with the Coca-Cola Jesus Christ logo many years ago.

I find such crass commercial appeal disgusting, derivative, and ultimately a form of theft of intellectual property.

The blood and gore bit is another topic entirely.

623 ObserverArt  Jun 22, 2014 11:20:45am

re: #587 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

It’ll be a thing briefly and then calm down to a reasonable level, like the name changed and in-line pictures, and wingnut font.

I go by an old family lesson passed down from many a generation.

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

Added to “consideration for others.”

But like I said, they are old lessons. Good…but old.

/

624 Dr Lizardo  Jun 22, 2014 11:23:30am

re: #619 Killgore Trout

It’ll happen eventually, the theological basis for Al Qaeda,ISIS,Boko Haram, etc has been around a while so it’s not going to disappear any time soon. The anti-Islamists are always going on about Fatwas but I think the non-centalized structure of Islam potentially makes it a very adaptable religion. Unfortunately the “conservatives” (i’ll use that term loosely) have a lot of influence now, but that will change.

“Conservatives” would perhaps better be replace with “heretics”. The Islamic tradition I was taught says quite clearly that Wahhabism and Salafism are heresies, and in its more extreme manifestations, outright blasphemy, as those groups tend to give greater weight to the hadith then they do the Qur’an, as they regard the Qur’an as ‘insufficient’.

In other words, they’re putting the words of men (the hadith) above the word of God (the Qur’an). That’s shirk in Islam, idolatry.

625 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:24:48am

I can’t fault them for this, it’s a damn fine car
Syria jihadists now using seized Humvees

Jihadists fighting in Syria’s war have put to use for the first time American-made Humvees they seized during a lightening offensive in Iraq this month.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIL, used the armoured vehicles to capture the villages of Eksar and Maalal in Aleppo province, which borders Turkey, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Sunday.

626 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:26:38am

re: #624 Dr Lizardo

“Conservatives” would perhaps better be replace with “heretics”. The Islamic tradition I was taught says quite clearly that Wahhabism and Salafism are heresies, and in its more extreme manifestations, outright blasphemy, as those groups tend to give greater weight to the hadith then they do the Qur’an, as they regard the Qur’an as ‘insufficient’.

In other words, they’re putting the words of men (the hadith) above the word of God (the Qur’an). That’s shirk in Islam, idolatry.

You’re welcome to make that difference but as an outsider I’ll decline to pass judgement on scriptural interpretation. But I think we can agree they’re still douchebags.

627 Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2014 11:26:49am

re: #620 CuriousLurker

Stanley Sea, are you paying attention? If so, I left you some examples of using the color tags in my pastebin: pastebin.com

Thank you CL! I needed the string typed out in order for this old dog to undertand!

I lost the bookmark for all the colors - will look up.

628 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:27:47am

re: #625 Killgore Trout

I can’t fault them for this, it’s a damn fine car
Syria jihadists now using seized Humvees

They musn’t care for the environment. Those really get shitty gas mileage!!

629 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:28:55am

re: #621 Rightwingconspirator

Well certainly glad I do not have a hangover this morning! One of those might have just been the tipping point.

Heh, I see Charles is using one of the spinners for when you click on someone’s karma. I can see how the spinning stuff would annoy some people, but there’s plenty of behavior here I find annoying (or rude, or just plain stupid), but complaining about it usually only encourages more of it.

————————————

P.S. I was lurking last night when CJ announced it and everyone started playing around. It annoyed me too after a while, so I just went elsewhere and, like magic, it wasn’t able to annoy me anymore.

630 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:30:53am

re: #627 Stanley Sea

Thank you CL! I needed the string typed out in order for this old dog to undertand!

I lost the bookmark for all the colors - will look up.

You did it! *claps*

(You’re welcome. ;-))

631 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:30:56am

re: #628 sattv4u2

They musn’t care for the environment. Those really get shitty gas mileage!!

Do carbon credits count as zakat? I’ll bet there’s a fatwa out there for that one.

632 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:31:45am

re: #627 Stanley Sea

I’m using this list. I like it better because the colors are in groups.

633 Eventual Carrion  Jun 22, 2014 11:32:57am

re: #603 Killgore Trout

From the “out of stock” section

Image: 555315_452003971490082_1416271562_n.jpg

I can see how that’d be a big seller

Is that a 9v battery in the skull?

634 Killgore Trout  Jun 22, 2014 11:34:20am

re: #633 Eventual Carrion

Is that a 9v battery in the skull?

I think that’s supposed to be neck vertebrae

635 Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2014 11:35:19am

636 Stanley Sea  Jun 22, 2014 11:35:58am

OKIE DOKIE

637 Eventual Carrion  Jun 22, 2014 11:36:00am

re: #615 CuriousLurker

Hiding this one just in case anyone’s prone to seizures…

[Embedded content]

No seizure, but I think I entered an altered state.

638 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 11:37:29am

re: #629 CuriousLurker

Heh, I see Charles is using one of the spinners for when you click on someone’s karma. I can see how the spinning stuff would annoy some people, but there’s plenty of behavior here I find annoying (or rude, or just plain stupid), but complaining about it usually only encourages more of it.

————————————

P.S. I was lurking last night when CJ announced it and everyone started playing around. It annoyed me too after a while, so I just went elsewhere and, like magic, it wasn’t able to annoy me anymore.

That spinner has always been there since I’ve been coming to LGF regularly, and is a useful feature when pages are loading, reloading - like when videos begin to stream.

I also went elsewhere last night after a bit, but like a rash, the spinning popped back up late in the thread.

Like I said previously, if anyone wants to get their whirly-gig on, I’m not inherently opposed, but there are those of us who find it annoying and would like to remain a part of the community without having to page through spinning gizmos at random. So give us an option to turn them off, like was done above with the spoiler tag. I really like the spoiler tag (and no, I didn’t click on that one).

I think it’s different when the behavior one finds annoying is related to actual commentary, as opposed to font tricks for no purpose. I will pass by the gun porn comments from certain commenters because it’s not my bag. Similarly, I try to scan the heated 2nd amendment debates for the most part.

As always, YMMV.

639 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:41:21am

re: #637 Eventual Carrion

No seizure, but I think I entered an altered state.

Maine was an ‘altered state”. It used to be part of Massachusetts

/

640 sattv4u2  Jun 22, 2014 11:42:44am

re: #637 Eventual Carrion

re: #639 sattv4u2

Maine was an ‘altered state”. It used to be part of Massachusetts

/

Guess that would make Mass an altered state also

641 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:45:30am

re: #637 Eventual Carrion

No seizure, but I think I entered an altered state.

I almost used this one because the outer concentric circle is spinning counter-clockwise, ion the opposite direction of the Font Awesome spinner. I wasn’t gonna hide it with a spoiler tag either, but then I decided that I should probably fight the urge to be an asshole as there’s already enough of that.

Maybe next time. //

642 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 11:59:53am

re: #638 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Huh, I never noticed the spinner on the karma count before.

To me there’s not a lot of difference whether it’s actual commentary/trolling or some other stuff I’d rather not see—like certain tweets, photos, etc.

I (and others) have asked Charles to give us the ability to ignore or mute other members so we don’t have to waste time scrolling past a bunch of stuff we find annoying, but it hasn’t happened yet and I’m guessing it might never.

But whatever, you know? It’s Charles’ blog and it’s his prerogative to run it as he wishes. As long as the pros continue to outweigh the cons (for me, personally) I’ll keep coming back. Charles has probably seen thousands of people come & go, so I assume he’s well aware of how people react.

643 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 12:07:31pm

re: #642 CuriousLurker

Huh, I never noticed the spinner on the karma count before.

To me there’s not a lot of difference whether it’s actual commentary/trolling or some other stuff I’d rather not see—like certain tweets, photos, etc.

I (and others) have asked Charles to give us the ability to ignore or mute other members so we don’t have to waste time scrolling past a bunch of stuff we find annoying, but it hasn’t happened yet and I’m guessing it might never.

But whatever, you know? It’s Charles’ blog and it’s his prerogative to run it as he wishes. As long as the pros continue to outweigh the cons (for me, personally) I’ll keep coming back. Charles has probably seen thousands of people come & go, so I assume he’s well aware of how people react.

I probably only noticed the spinners because I notice that kind of stuff in web designs.

I think at one point there was an LGF greasemonkey script that allowed you to hide certain users. I know there was one for Balloon Juice. I used it on a couple of people there. I do find the loading of the Tweet cards from Twitter to be a bit annoying, but not so much as the actual content of some Tweets. Gad, there are some morons out there.

And I agree, it’s his prerogative, and he seems to do a good job of tending the comment garden.

I reiterate, the spinning was just my pet peeve of the day. Hopefully it dies down. :)

644 CuriousLurker  Jun 22, 2014 12:17:42pm

re: #643 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I think at one point there was an LGF greasemonkey script that allowed you to hide certain users.

Ah, yes, McSpiff’s AutoGAZE script—I remember it well. I loved that thing and had a big sad when Charles changed the code and it no longer worked. I have a local copy of it, but I’ve never been very good with JavaScript, so I didn’t bother trying to modify it.

I reiterate, the spinning was just my pet peeve of the day. Hopefully it dies down. :)

Once the novelty wears off its use is certain to die down. ;)

645 Amory Blaine  Jun 22, 2014 12:18:49pm

The drapes really tie the room together.

646 prairiefire  Jun 22, 2014 1:08:00pm

re: #645 Amory Blaine

The drapes really tie the room together.

But does the carpet match the drapes?

647 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 1:11:57pm

re: #646 prairiefire

But does the carpet match the drapes?

I predicted this.

648 prairiefire  Jun 22, 2014 1:20:32pm

re: #647 Rev_Arthur_Belling

I predicted this.

I can’t believe it wasn’t until 646 comments.


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