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1 freetoken  Dec 25, 2014 10:50:27am

Ah … Christmas, the muse that inspired entire genres, in this case in film.

2 freetoken  Dec 25, 2014 10:54:02am

The second one, “Santa Claus”, proves that the horribleness of religious message-driven films predates Kirk Cameron.

3 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 11:16:10am
4 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 11:17:28am

re: #3 #FergusonFireside

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5 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 11:17:55am

Wow, did LGF ever get wide.

7 klystron  Dec 25, 2014 11:22:46am

Went to bed with the inklings of a sore throat last night.

Woke up with a full blown one.

Sigh.

Merry Christmas.

8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 11:24:20am

re: #7 klystron

Went to bed with the inklings of a sore throat last night.

Woke up with a full blown one.

Sigh.

Merry Christmas.

Last Xmas I had a stomach bug…so there are worse things than a sore throat.

9 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 11:24:33am

re: #7 klystron

Went to bed with the inklings of a sore throat last night.

Woke up with a full blown one.

Sigh.

Merry Christmas.

Yah, I’ve been running a slight fever the past two days too.

Viruses don’t observe holidays.

10 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 25, 2014 11:24:48am

Sharknado 2 is quickly becoming my 2nd favorite Christmas (time) movie. Nothing will ever replace A Christmas Story.

11 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 11:26:02am
12 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 11:30:27am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Look out sock puppets got into the room!

Merry Christmas Charles. Thanks for another great year of fun online.

13 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 11:37:40am
14 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 25, 2014 11:39:45am

leg of lamb roasting in the oven.

mmmmmmmm……

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 25, 2014 11:41:09am
16 3eff Jeff  Dec 25, 2014 11:43:44am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

But Paganism is a class of religions… So, the pagan holiday version is still a religious holiday.

17 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 11:45:33am
18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 25, 2014 11:45:34am

re: #16 3eff Jeff

But Paganism is a class of religions… So, the pagan holiday version is still a religious holiday.

You didn’t note the capital “R”?
It stands for “Republican”…

/

ETA: or “R”ightwing…

19 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 11:47:50am
20 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 11:48:24am

Oh hey just in case any of us find a flying machine under the tree the FAA has this holiday helpful safety video….

Video

21 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 11:48:38am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

You didn’t note the capital “R”?
It stands for “Republican”…

/

ETA: or “R”ightwing…

WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION AND CHRISTMAS IS A CHRISTIAN HOLIDAY!!!

now shut up

22 Randall Gross  Dec 25, 2014 11:54:51am

Just stopped by to take a break from revelry and wish everyone a Merry Christmas.

23 3eff Jeff  Dec 25, 2014 11:55:09am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

I stand corrected.

24 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 11:55:15am
25 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 12:18:47pm

Thanks for the holiday cheer, Kragar!

Holly Golightly - Christmas Tree’s On Fire

Holly Golightly - Christmas Tree’s On Fire

27 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 12:38:13pm

We went out for lunch with my youngest daughter & her husband, at a very nice midscale Middle-Eastern place.

I was going to leave a 20% tip but then I saw that they already added an 18% gratuity to the bill without asking.

29 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 12:40:51pm

Somebody got a lump of coal in his stocking this morning:

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 12:42:05pm

re: #27 The Vicious Babushka

I’ve made that mistake a couple of times due to my naively thinking most restaurants only charged mandatory tips for large groups.

31 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 12:42:32pm

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody got a lump of coal in his stocking this morning:

Hike rhymes and missed ameanors?

33 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 12:55:21pm

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody got a lump of coal in his stocking this morning:

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Somebody missed the outcome of the midterm election. Short version: Republicans won.

But “American Pride” is really just ticked off because John Boehner and Mitch McConnell did their jobs and got the budget passed instead of shutting down the government over Obama’s Immigration EO. And because Trey Gowdy used the December meeting of the Select Committee on the Benghazi attack focused on improving embassy security and showed more interest in possible problems with the under-construction embassy in London than in going after Obama and Hillary Clinton for “treason”.

What we have here is a wingnut who is pissed off because Congressional leaders were doing what they are supposed to do. To such an attitude, there can be only one reply:

34 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 12:57:54pm

re: #29 The Vicious Babushka

Somebody got a lump of coal in his stocking this morning:

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Wow - scroll back through his timeline - he’s been posting the same crazy tweets over and over for months. I don’t know how far back it goes. Could be a bot.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 25, 2014 1:00:52pm

Trimmed some Brussels sprouts, cut up some parsnips and red potatoes; tossed them all in olive oil, garlic and herbs; poured into a baking dish; popped in the oven to roast.

Mixing up the Yorkshire pud now….

36 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 1:02:30pm

I made ham.
And potatoes.
Yum.

37 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:02:59pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Wow - scroll back through his timeline - he’s been posting the same crazy tweets over and over for months. I don’t know how far back it goes. Could be a bot.

Or maybe not: Some wingnuts are so single minded you’d think they were bots. Some moonbats are that way too.

38 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:04:19pm
39 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 1:04:58pm

Had a toasted sliced chicken sandwich using Italian buns 2 days beyond their best before date.

I am so going for a burger tomorrow.

40 klystron  Dec 25, 2014 1:05:57pm

Swedish fish.

The Christmas dinner of champions.

41 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 1:06:27pm

Today I made roast turkey. Stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, cranberries and broccoli. Amazing how easy it went…

42 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 1:07:06pm

re: #40 klystron

Swedish fish.

The Christmas dinner of champions.

How do you know it’s Swedish? Does it sound like the Swedish chef?

43 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 1:14:02pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Wow - scroll back through his timeline - he’s been posting the same crazy tweets over and over for months. I don’t know how far back it goes. Could be a bot.

I think you’re right. Same 3 Tweets over and over. But it has more followers than I do!

44 Snarknado!  Dec 25, 2014 1:14:21pm

Tortelloni with pesto sauce. Why yes, that is what I ate for Thanksgiving, how kind of you to notice.

45 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:16:12pm

For a Christmas dose of Cute, we have Luna the sea otter pup (formerly Pup 681) getting her first look at the sea otter exhibit at Chicago’s Shedd Aquarium. She won’t be at the exhibit when the public is around till spring, but she’s ready to start exploring it:

The Great Explorer

46 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:16:45pm

re: #43 The Vicious Babushka

I think you’re right. Same 3 Tweets over and over. But it has more followers than I do!

Twitter is a badly dysfunctional place.

47 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 1:18:30pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

For a Christmas dose of Cute, we have Luna the sea otter pup (formerly Pup 681) getting her first look at the sea otter exhibit at Chicago’s Shedd Aquarium. She won’t be at the exhibit when the public is around till spring, but she’s ready to start exploring it:

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Video

Awww.

48 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 1:19:24pm

OK, all my family calls done. There’s a lot of em & it’s kinda exhausting till I get my script down.

Don’t mean to be a dick, just realistic.

49 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 1:22:49pm
50 freetoken  Dec 25, 2014 1:23:32pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Btw, the videos are now properly centered in Spy mode.

51 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 1:24:39pm

re: #48 #FergusonFireside

OK, all my family calls done. There’s a lot of em & it’s kinda exhausting till I get my script down.

Don’t mean to be a dick, just realistic.

Stanley Sea being a dick. Who’d a thought.

That was sarcasm btw. I’ve never seen you be a dick.

52 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 1:31:24pm

re: #51 b_sharp

Stanley Sea being a dick. Who’d a thought.

That was sarcasm btw. I’ve never seen you be a dick.

:)

53 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 1:33:42pm

Found a firefox plugin that apparently works.

55 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:36:20pm

re: #49 The Vicious Babushka

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From that article:

Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered his government on Wednesday to rein in rising vodka prices, as he battles to preserve his popularity amid an aggravating economic crisis. Putin told a meeting with government officials and regional governors that expensive vodka prices encourage the production of bootleg spirits, which carry greater risks to people’s health than legally produced alcohol.

Russia is facing its worst economic crisis since 1998, when the country devalued the ruble and defaulted on its debt. Putin’s popularity is partly based on his reputation for providing prosperity and stability.

“The overshoot of vodka prices leads only to increasing consumption of bootleg (spirits),” said Putin, who is known for promoting a healthy lifestyle. “I think the relevant structures (government bodies) should think of that,” he added.

Putin’s right about the economics on this issue, but he’s got no way around the larger economic problems Russia is facing. Just the fact he’s employing price controls is the sign of a serious problem.

56 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 1:37:28pm

LOLWHUT this is just so mean

57 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:40:16pm

re: #56 The Vicious Babushka

LOLWHUT this is just so mean

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It’s mean, but he shouldn’t post stuff like that nowadays.

58 Dark_Falcon  Dec 25, 2014 1:43:44pm

BBL

59 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 1:59:48pm
60 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 2:12:53pm

Short people need to be creative. This is what I use daily to reach shit in the top shelves. (Just got the spices down)

62 freetoken  Dec 25, 2014 2:25:32pm

Everytime I see an image of “Jesus” looking especially pale with ginger hair:
Image: jesus-nazareth-105.jpg
or with blue eyes:
Image: jesus-nazareth-425.jpg

I can only walk away with two possibilities:
1) Either God is into the whole Aryan thing, or
2) “Jesus” bio-dad was a Roman army recruit from Scandi or Britannia.

63 BeachDem  Dec 25, 2014 2:26:30pm

So, my usual Dec. 25th activity was getting together with my neighbor/close friend, after she’d done a shift as a nurse, for food and libations.

Except for one year, when her loony daughter’s baby-daddy was going out of town to his cousin’s without her, so I cooked dinner for loony daughter and baby. Except, baby-daddy’s cousin had a “hold my beer and watch this” moment a few days before Christmas and shot his buddy, so baby-daddy came to my house as well. Loony daughter and baby-daddy proceeded to get rip-roaring drunk and when my friend, the nurse, came home, she threw baby-daddy out of her house and I had to let him stay with me, because I feared he was far too drunk to drive.

Anyhoo—sadly, my friend died suddenly last year, right before Christmas, and loony daughter (who I adore, but she is not, shall we say, the most responsible person on earth) and her little girl moved into my friend’s place (baby-daddy and loony daughter are no longer together—thank dog.)

So, she asked me to spend Christmas with them this year, which, in actuality, involves going to her place at 7 pm, after they’ve gone wherever the hell they’re going before that (and, being the punctual person she is, will probably be more like 8:30 or 9:00.) She was going to cook a ham, which has now morphed into cranberry meatloaf?!

I am making wild mushroom bread pudding, and have made a strawberry layer cake that started out being a yule log, but I had grave concerns about my ability to roll it correctly, so went with a stacked cake with whipped cream frosting. It will taste great, but looks like my 8 year old nieces decorated it (if they didn’t live hundreds of miles away, I would definitely blame it on them.)

So, my question is this—is it January 2nd yet?

64 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 2:27:23pm

re: #62 freetoken

Everytime I see an image of “Jesus” looking especially pale with ginger hair:
Image: jesus-nazareth-105.jpg
or with blue eyes:
Image: jesus-nazareth-425.jpg

I can only walk away with two possibilities:
1) Either God is into the whole Aryan thing, or
2) “Jesus” bio-dad was a Roman army recruit from Scandi or Britannia.

Yeshu ben Pandira ;)

65 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 2:27:49pm

re: #62 freetoken

Jesus as a blank slate onto whom people project their idea of the Ideal Son of God. But don’t tell them that.

66 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 2:28:51pm

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Jesus as a blank slate onto whom people project their idea of the Ideal Son of God. But don’t tell them that.

Paul writes that long hair on men is shameful. Lots of illustrators never read their Bibles.

68 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 2:37:48pm

re: #63 BeachDem

Good dog, hang in there. And Happy Christmas.

69 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 2:38:28pm
70 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 2:41:07pm

Everybody blasts The Interview, and most probably fairly too. But the Pussy Riot “art” was also pure shit, OK? That wasn’t the point…

71 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 2:44:52pm
72 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 2:45:21pm

Merry Christmas

73 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 2:46:19pm
74 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 2:46:33pm

re: #72 Gus

Merry Christmas, Gus :)

75 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 2:47:32pm

re: #73 Gus

Chuckuaua also has 2 legs, but only 19000 followers. Roo wins.

76 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 2:47:38pm

re: #74 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Merry Christmas, Gus :)

Back at ya’.

77 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 2:53:53pm

I’m looking for funny on twitter & Christmas is boring so far.

I posted last night, but will finish it off…..This San Diego reporter I follow was putting together some ikea thingy for his kids. The timeline started at 6ish and he wasn’t done at midnight. Very lol. Here’s a recap, because I’m still laughing.

78 Jenner7  Dec 25, 2014 2:55:42pm

We had a great Christmas this year. It actually snowed! On Christmas!

Instead of the normal turkey AND ham, we went with a simple beef roast. Lazy Christmas, but nice and relaxing. Kiddos got what they wanted from Santa and more.

Not a optimistic person, and with Repubs in control in Congress, I worry for the next two years. But I’m hopeful 2015 will be a great year!

79 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 2:55:50pm
80 BeachDem  Dec 25, 2014 2:56:40pm

re: #77 #FergusonFireside

I’m looking for funny on twitter & Christmas is boring so far.

I posted last night, but will finish it off…..This San Diego reporter I follow was putting together some ikea thingy for his kids. The timeline started at 6ish and he wasn’t done at midnight. Very lol. Here’s a recap, because I’m still laughing.

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Too cute. I was really worried for him when he posted the “part 47” tweet, which made my eyes cross. But the end result is adorable.

81 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 2:58:13pm
82 wrenchwench  Dec 25, 2014 2:59:30pm

I still love this

Video

83 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 3:00:00pm

I’m watching a documentary on CNN about Detroit. It’s depressing as shit.

They show a few “brave” entrepreneurs but a city that is mostly wasteland.

84 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 3:00:46pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

I still love this

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Merry Christmas {{{{wrenchwench}}}}!

85 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 3:02:30pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

I’m watching a documentary on CNN about Detroit. It’s depressing as shit.

They show a few “brave” entrepreneurs but a city that is mostly wasteland.

Tell me about it, I come from Gary, Indiana.

86 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 3:03:11pm

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Tell me about it, I come from Gary, Indiana.

Yeah but you don’t still live there.

87 jaunte  Dec 25, 2014 3:03:39pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

Hey, Merry Christmas, wrenchwench, how you doing?

88 wrenchwench  Dec 25, 2014 3:03:48pm

re: #84 Gus

Merry Christmas {{{{wrenchwench}}}}!

Same to you! {{{{{{{Gus}}}}}}}}

89 wrenchwench  Dec 25, 2014 3:06:36pm

re: #87 jaunte

Hey, Merry Christmas, wrenchwench, how you doing?

Doing ok, Merry Christmas to you!

90 _RememberTonyC  Dec 25, 2014 3:07:04pm

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the Lizards and Lizardettes. Although I no longer participate in your forum, I remember many of you fondly and wish all of you good health and happiness for the new year.

91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 3:08:34pm

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah but you don’t still live there.

And there is a reason that of the six kids in our family, only one lives anywhere near Gary, in Valparaiso, Indiana.

93 blueraven  Dec 25, 2014 3:10:30pm
94 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:10:55pm

re: #90 _RememberTonyC

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all the Lizards and Lizardettes. Although I no longer participate in your forum, I remember many of you fondly and wish all of you good health and happiness for the new year.

Thanks Tony (I know the meaning of your nic, but not sure what to call you!)

best wishes.

95 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 3:11:06pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Doing ok, Merry Christmas to you!

Good!

96 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:12:11pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

Doing ok, Merry Christmas to you!

Happy Christmas WW.

97 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:13:54pm
98 BigPapa  Dec 25, 2014 3:15:30pm
99 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 3:15:42pm

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And there is a reason that of the six kids in our family, only one lives anywhere near Gary, in Valparaiso, Indiana.

And there is a reason that of my nine kids, none of them live in Michigan.

Four live in Brooklyn, two in Miami, one in Alabama, one in Toronto and one in Jerusalem.

But I get to visit a bunch of cool places!

100 unproven innocence  Dec 25, 2014 3:16:10pm

re: #73 Gus

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Nifty design, except that breathing might be significantly impaired.

101 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 3:17:52pm
102 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 3:21:11pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

And there is a reason that of my nine kids, none of them live in Michigan.

Four live in Brooklyn, two in Miami, one in Alabama, one in Toronto and one in Jerusalem.

But I get to visit a bunch of cool places!

We are strewn from Arizona to Florida, with me in Germany. Checked out Google street view of my old hood, and basically, almost all the houses they had built since I left are boarded up, as are many that were already there when I left.

103 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 25, 2014 3:22:11pm

re: #100 unproven innocence

Nifty design, except that breathing might be significantly impaired.

applies to most fashion…

106 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 3:32:15pm

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We are strewn from Arizona to Florida, with me in Germany. Checked out Google street view of my old hood, and basically, almost all the houses they had built since I left are boarded up, as are many that were already there when I left.

Last summer I took my son, visiting from Toronto, with his family, to the neighborhood in Detroit where I grew up, and we were very pleasantly surprised to find the house occupied and well maintained by a very nice family. The homeowner, a realtor, even gave us a tour.

107 BigPapa  Dec 25, 2014 3:34:54pm

Brett Bozell’s blog:

The Ku Klux Con Job Award for Smearing Conservatives with Phony Racism Charges

Not as funny as Key and Peele, but pretty funny.

108 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:36:19pm

..edited version. deleted.

Mayer Hawthorne.

109 SteelPH  Dec 25, 2014 3:38:37pm

Merry Christmas, lizards!

110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 3:39:15pm

Is there a fast utility for batch-removing tags with their contents from html files? I have dreamweaver which would do the job, but I wanna something perhaps lighter/quicker right now.

111 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 3:39:33pm

re: #109 SteelPH

Merry Christmas, SteelPH.

112 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:42:14pm

re: #109 SteelPH

Merry Christmas, lizards!

To you as well. Hope you are enjoying.

113 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 3:51:31pm

re: #110 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

OK, never mind, using DW.

114 ObserverArt  Dec 25, 2014 3:56:08pm

Evening LGFers.

Good to see you Wrench!!! Gus…good to have you back too.

I see Charles is posting up some music videos tonight. I’ve been doing my usual Holiday thing…going through YouTube digging through stuff I haven’t listened to in a long time, watching some documentaries, finding the odd.

I came upon this little redo of a classic Cream hit…by Dread Zeppelin. I did not know they did an album of classics.

Yeah, it’s was that kind of a Christmas eve.

Enjoy. Really it is an interesting take. Their typical reggae Zep mix with Cream added. I know they were a joke band, but the dudes really aren’t bad musicians. But, I’m easy…’specially when having fun with it all.

Dread Zeppelin - Sunshine Of Your Love

115 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 3:57:35pm

Roasted Chicken (Thanks Gus for the retweet) I’m going to get Julia Child on that bird sometime.

Baked tomatoes w/bread crumbs and a swiss melt, along with scalloped potatoes.

116 austin_blue  Dec 25, 2014 3:58:31pm

A very Merry Christmas to Lizards across the length and breadth of this suffering’ old world.

It’s going to be a very interesting year, isn’t it? Hugs all around!

117 PT Barnum  Dec 25, 2014 4:02:59pm

I got invited to the North Pole to celebrate with the reindeer, but declined, since I didn’t want to be part of the Donner Party.

118 PT Barnum  Dec 25, 2014 4:03:23pm

Merry Whatever Lizards.

119 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 4:06:34pm

I have never seen the Princess Bride. Yes, cultural fail.

Marathon on Sundance. I will be redeemed.

121 austin_blue  Dec 25, 2014 4:07:20pm

re: #117 PT Barnum

I got invited to the North Pole to celebrate with the reindeer, but declined, since I didn’t want to be part of the Donner Party.

I see what you did, there.

Oh, and my favorite Christmas song:

Christmas Is All Around from Love Actually Billy Mack {Bill Nighy}

122 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 4:07:26pm
123 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 4:10:25pm
125 austin_blue  Dec 25, 2014 4:16:33pm

re: #123 Gus

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Merry X-mas, Gus. Good to have you back, you old curmudgeon.

Signed, austin_blue: another old curmudgeon who appreciates the company.

127 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 4:25:39pm

re: #123 Gus

Very good :)

128 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 4:28:04pm

re: #125 austin_blue

Merry X-mas, Gus. Good to have you back, you old curmudgeon.

Signed, austin_blue: another old curmudgeon who appreciates the company.

Thanks!

Was spacing out here for a couple of minutes. :D

129 PhillyPretzel  Dec 25, 2014 4:33:59pm

re: #128 Gus

Welcome Back Gus. :)

130 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 4:34:22pm

re: #129 PhillyPretzel

Welcome Back Gus. :)

Thanks!

131 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 4:35:46pm

Christmas Dinner = good

132 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 4:40:39pm

re: #109 SteelPH

Merry Christmas!

133 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 4:42:21pm
134 austin_blue  Dec 25, 2014 4:45:31pm

We saw The Imitation Game today. Outstanding!

Now, off to Ollie Rajamani’s for dinner! He’s cooking for the band.

135 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 4:45:35pm

I’m falling back on a major PR event. Sony made it all up. geeze.

136 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 4:50:15pm

Happy Holidays to all and bless your scales!

My lovely wife and I are decompressing after our weeks-long marathon of study, research, and paper writing at the end of her Master’s classes. Those were the last two, one was the capstone class. She came away with excellent grades and once she completes the comp exam she’ll have her Master’s in Public Administration. Woo-hoo! After she will be looking for a better job.

137 PhillyPretzel  Dec 25, 2014 4:51:41pm

re: #136 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Good Luck for your wife in the comp exam and in getting a better job.

138 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 4:52:01pm

re: #136 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Happy Holidays to all and bless your scales!

My lovely wife and I are decompressing after our weeks-long marathon of study, research, and paper writing at the end of her Master’s classes. Those were the last two, one was the capstone class. She came away with excellent grades and once she completes the comp exam she’ll have her Master’s in Public Administration. Woo-hoo! After she will be looking for a better job.

Congratulations Wife of Higgs!!!

140 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 5:01:33pm

We had a lovely hike earlier, came home and opened our presents and are now having the thrill of trying to get the new DVR set up. I think it’s working out OK, but who knows until we get through everything? (What does this button do?)

(edit: It seems to be working. Yay!)

141 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 5:13:17pm
142 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 5:25:43pm
143 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 5:31:20pm

re: #137 PhillyPretzel

re: #138 #FergusonFireside

Thank you! It was a challenge because we’re both getting on. My wife is still a few years from retirement so she was working full time throughout.

145 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 5:44:55pm

re: #143 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Thank you! It was a challenge because we’re both getting on. My wife is still a few years from retirement so she was working full time throughout.

Even more power to ya. Enjoy your fruits!

146 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 5:49:56pm
147 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 5:51:25pm
148 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 5:54:34pm

Sorry Boston, you is what you is

149 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 5:56:13pm
150 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 5:56:36pm

re: #148 #FergusonFireside

Sorry Boston, you is what you is

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But what does #4 (nature scene) say about my flower avatar?

(edited because you’d think I could remember what my avatar here actually is.)

151 Kaessa  Dec 25, 2014 5:57:17pm

Delurking to wish all of the lizards a very merry holiday. I don’t post much, but I don’t know what I’d do without all of you. Thanks for being here.

152 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 5:57:26pm

re: #150 calochortus

But what does #4 (nature scene) say about my poppy avatar?

You don’t troll racist, you are fine.

153 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 5:58:13pm

re: #151 Kaessa

Delurking to wish all of the lizards a very merry holiday. I don’t post much, but I don’t know what I’d do without all of you. Thanks for being here.

XXoo

154 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 5:58:21pm

re: #152 #FergusonFireside

You don’t troll racist, you are fine.

What a relief. ;)

155 Kragar  Dec 25, 2014 6:01:53pm

A Christmas gift for all the horror fans out there:

Coming 2015 - Phantasm: RaVager

Unwrapping the brand new PHANTASM sequel!

156 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 6:02:13pm

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

157 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 6:04:20pm
158 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:09:42pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

159 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 6:10:56pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

I’m considering this. Fault me, but in this world, $$ wins.

160 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 6:15:34pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

With the nice fillip that a bunch of “America, fuck yeah!” types are going to have to sit through a bad movie.

161 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:19:30pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

I’m guessing the hack was real but didn’t come from North Korea. The terrorist threat was either fabricated or it was just another “bomb threat” someone sent — that is, not real. Sony then took advantage of the alleged “terrorist threats” to their advantage.

162 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 6:27:52pm

re: #161 Gus

How did they co opt the FBI?

163 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 6:31:11pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

They could make a movie about a studio that produced a movie that sucked so hard, they had to stage a “hack” in order to generate enough motivation to get people to watch this piece of crap movie.

164 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:31:11pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

How did they co opt the FBI?

The FBI would be right about the email hack but possibly not North Korea. Even if it was from North Korea none of The Interview PR had much to do with the email hack alone. It was the “terrorist threat” that set the wheels in motion.

165 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 6:32:19pm

re: #162 Rightwingconspirator

How did they co opt the FBI?

The FBI for all its glamour, is the DMV.

166 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 6:34:50pm

Well crap. Guess where I am.

167 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 6:35:09pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Well crap. Guess where I am.

:(

168 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:36:17pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Well crap. Guess where I am.

{{{b_sharp}}}

169 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 6:36:35pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Well crap. Guess where I am.

Take care. Love to V. Tell her.

170 gwangung  Dec 25, 2014 6:36:47pm

re: #161 Gus

I’m guessing the hack was real but didn’t come from North Korea. The terrorist threat was either fabricated or it was just another “bomb threat” someone sent — that is, not real. Sony then took advantage of the alleged “terrorist threats” to their advantage.

That’s what it seems like to me. Also possible, if less probable, is North Korea commissioning groups to find a hack.

171 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 6:38:06pm

re: #169 #FergusonFireside

Take care. Love to V. Tell her.

As soon as she wakes up. She’s sitting in a wheelchair asleep right now.

172 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:38:40pm

re: #171 b_sharp

As soon as she wakes up. She’s sitting in a wheelchair asleep right now.

Emergency surgery?

173 Charles Johnson  Dec 25, 2014 6:39:14pm

At last word the FBI was still claiming to have evidence linking the hack to North Korea they can’t reveal because it’s based on sensitive intelligence sources. Which isn’t implausible, but a lot of people are declining to trust the FBI in the post-Snowden era.

174 Skip Intro  Dec 25, 2014 6:39:21pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

Anyone have a count of how many theaters showing this film have been blown up so far?

It pains me tremendously to say this, but the abominable UpChuck may have been right about this all along.

175 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 6:40:44pm

re: #172 Gus

Emergency surgery?

Don’t think so. Her incisions are leaking a bad smelling pus now.

She’s just not getting a break.

176 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 6:42:05pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

It pains me tremendously to say this, but the abominable UpChuck may have been right about this all along.

Then I’ll be the Queen of England.
;)

177 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 6:42:46pm

re: #176 Varek Raith

Then I’ll be the Queen of England.
;)

You don’t have the hair.

178 jaunte  Dec 25, 2014 6:42:57pm
179 unproven innocence  Dec 25, 2014 6:43:04pm

re: #176 Varek Raith

Then I’ll be the Queen of England.
;)

Hey, we hold no special regard for royalty here. /

180 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 6:43:30pm

re: #177 b_sharp

You don’t have the hair.

Horse hockey!

181 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:43:37pm

re: #175 b_sharp

Don’t think so. Her incisions are leaking a bad smelling pus now.

She’s just not getting a break.

Damn it.

182 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 6:44:32pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

Anyone have a count of how many theaters showing this film have been blown up so far?

It pains me tremendously to say this, but the abominable UpChuck may have been right about this all along.

Bite your tongue.

183 Sionainn  Dec 25, 2014 6:45:35pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

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Just noticed the Santa cap. Nice!

184 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 6:48:33pm
185 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 6:48:34pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

Right up there with truthers and birthers AFAIK. The idea the US government via FBI or WH statements is going to back a deceptive and fraudulent play like that to help Sony pictures is just beyond laughable. And statements from NK that essentially say we deny it it but if Sony & the US don’t behave you get more of the same or worse pretty much put the nails in the coffin of that idea.

186 Stephen T.  Dec 25, 2014 6:50:25pm

re: #155 Kragar

A Christmas gift for all the horror fans out there:

Coming 2015 - Phantasm: RaVager

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Video

I know what movie I’m saving up to see in theaters next year.

187 PhillyPretzel  Dec 25, 2014 6:51:14pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

Yeah. My sounds have to be reloaded everyday since Dec 22. Apple had me download a program overnight and that only worked for the day. Next day I had to reload the the sounds again. I used my backup drive. I had to do that today too. I am going to make an appointment with the Genius Bar on Saturday. I hope they can fix the problem.

188 Skip Intro  Dec 25, 2014 6:51:56pm

re: #178 jaunte

Pauly Shore needs to leak that there’s been a threat from N. Korea over his next movie. He’d draw such a crowd he might win an Oscar.

Things like this really draw out the cynic in me.

189 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 6:52:19pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Conspiracy theory: Sony staged this whole cyber attack to sneakily launch a new era of digital major film distribution, through the back door.

Great idea, but do you really think the FBI would have gone along so readily with such a scheme?

Also, does that mean we are potentially admitting CCJ was right about this?

Feels wrong, doesn’t it?

/

190 CuriousLurker  Dec 25, 2014 6:53:39pm

Just popped in to say Merry Christmas to those of you who’re celebrating it and, well… I guess Happy Long Holiday Weekend to the rest of you. ;-)

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

Hey, long tome no see! I hope things are looking up for you.

191 PhillyPretzel  Dec 25, 2014 6:54:16pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

I am okay. :)

192 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 6:54:27pm

Merry Christmas Lizards!

NSFW

Eazy E- Merry Mutafuckin’ Xmas

194 Skip Intro  Dec 25, 2014 6:57:13pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

PlayStation, Xbox users forced offline in possible attack
e_e

The hacker group Lizard Squad said it was “smacking” the two systems, apparently one of several attacks in December.

All right, you know who you are. Go stand in the corner.

195 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 6:57:14pm

Heh.

196 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 6:59:29pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

PlayStation, Xbox users forced offline in possible attack
e_e

Millions of thumbs will become arthritic a few days later than they would have.

197 unproven innocence  Dec 25, 2014 7:00:08pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

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Heh.

We still hold no special regard for royalty here.
:)

198 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 7:00:47pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

PlayStation, Xbox users forced offline in possible attack
e_e

The REVENGE of North Korea!!

199 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 7:00:59pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

PlayStation, Xbox users forced offline in possible attack
e_e

My son is very pissed right now because his friends got him a Playstation for Hanukkah and he hasn’t even been able to login to initialize it. He is 31 years old BTW.

200 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 7:01:44pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Well crap. Guess where I am.

I’m so sorry. I hope V gets the care she needs and starts improving immediately if not sooner.

201 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 7:01:56pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

Just popped in to say Merry Christmas to those of you who’re celebrating it and, well… I guess Happy Long Holiday Weekend to the rest of you. ;-)

Thanks! Got mah vacation mode on. No not “boots and pants and boots and pants” (Sure hope that silly Geico commercial plays in your area)

202 #FergusonFireside  Dec 25, 2014 7:03:56pm

re: #201 Rightwingconspirator

lol, I love the mike mike mike mike Wednesday camel. There’s a new one. crack up.

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 7:04:22pm

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

I’m 33 and I’d be pissed if that happened to me too lol.

204 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 7:04:58pm

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m 33 and I’d be pissed if that happened to me too lol.

I’m 31 and don’t have a PS3/4 or Xbox.
:P

205 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 7:05:44pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

I’m 31 and don’t have a PS3/4 or Xbox.
:P

Your friends suck. Get new friends.

206 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 7:09:03pm
207 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 7:12:57pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

I’m 31 and don’t have a PS3/4 or Xbox.
:P

I don’t have one either. I had sell my Xbox 360 awhile back for cash and have subsisted on mobile gaming since then. I’ll get another console eventually.

208 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 7:13:45pm

I’m 32 and I also don’t have any video game systems. I used to love video games, then I hit a personal crux.

I remember when the original Grand Theft Auto came out on PC. The game was kind of fun, but the graphics were cheesy and the gameplay tedious at best. I remember thinking to myself “If this game were in 3D, this would be the best game ever.”

Well, that happened with PS2. Last game I played was GTA San Andreas. After I finished that game I had a moment, I said to myself “It cannot get better.” Sold all my video games and gave all my vintage Nintendo shit to my sister, where I know it’s in good hands (she’s a hardcore gamer/cosplayer). Haven’t played video games since.

Besides, I’m too busy skiing or mountain biking for video games.

209 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 7:16:47pm

re: #208 teleskiguy

I’m 32 and I also don’t have any video game systems. I used to love video games, then I hit a personal crux.

I remember when the original Grand Theft Auto came out on PC. The game was kind of fun, but the graphics were cheesy and the gameplay tedious at best. I remember thinking to myself “If this game were in 3D, this would be the best game ever.”

Well, that happened with PS2. Last game I played was GTA San Andreas. After I finished that game I had a moment, I said to myself “It cannot get better.” Sold all my video games and gave all my vintage Nintendo shit to my sister, where I know it’s in good hands (she’s a hardcore gamer/cosplayer). Haven’t played video games since.

Besides, I’m too busy skiing or mountain biking for video games.

Pshaw, you can do those in games.
:P

210 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 7:17:17pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

Your friends suck. Get new friends.

XD

211 OhNoZombies!  Dec 25, 2014 7:18:44pm

Just wanted to stop by and wish everyone a happy holiday season.
Xoxo

212 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 25, 2014 7:22:27pm
213 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 25, 2014 7:25:03pm

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Adam Sandler named most overpaid actor in Hollywood…again

The only thing that would make The Interview suck harder would be if Adam Sandler was in it.

214 Pip's Squeak  Dec 25, 2014 7:25:29pm

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Adam Sandler named most overpaid actor in Hollywood…again

Who the hell is Adam Sandler?

215 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 7:29:21pm

re: #214 Pip’s Squeak

Who the hell is Adam Sandler?

He was that guy who was funny for a time in the 90s.

216 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 7:33:10pm

I am feeling very happy tonight.

217 William of Orange  Dec 25, 2014 7:34:20pm

This will bring out the inner geek in you. Basketball trick shots…. with a portal gun!

Portal Trick Shots

218 Pip's Squeak  Dec 25, 2014 7:34:37pm

re: #216 The War TARDIS

I am feeling very happy tonight.

Don’t worry. It will pass.

219 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 25, 2014 7:35:16pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

You never saw a Republican do that! Impeach!!

//

220 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 7:35:24pm

Tom Hall just followed me. Your gaming arguments are invalid!

221 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 7:35:56pm

re: #218 Pip’s Squeak

Hey, why you so grumpy?

222 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 7:38:43pm

I worked odd jobs all summer when I was 14 so I could buy the original PlayStation. The best gift I got for Christmas when I was a kid was the Nintendo 64 with the legacy games (Mario, Zelda). I used to love video games.

Now I love the internet, I guess. I’m pushing 10K tweets and that an obscene amount of tweets for my close circle of friends who even tweet.

223 Pip's Squeak  Dec 25, 2014 7:40:56pm

re: #221 The War TARDIS

Nothing personal. I hope you continue to enjoy your evening.

224 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 7:41:11pm

My dad has started liking Doctor Who.

After this last episode, Mom thinks the Doctor and Clara are an item.

225 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 7:42:28pm

re: #224 The War TARDIS

My dad has started liking Doctor Who.

After this last episode, Mom thinks the Doctor and Clara are an item.

I started out hating House.

226 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 7:43:32pm

I haz grammar.

227 Pip's Squeak  Dec 25, 2014 7:45:27pm

re: #226 Gus

There’s nothing like a perfect particle.

228 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 7:45:54pm

re: #225 Gus

I started out hating House.

Was it Lupus?

229 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 25, 2014 7:46:20pm

re: #227 Pip’s Squeak

There’s nothing like a perfect particle.

Or a dangling preposition

230 bratwurst  Dec 25, 2014 7:47:10pm

A wingnut has been drinking tonight:

231 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 7:47:42pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

Was it Lupus?

Oh, I don’t remember.

232 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 7:48:01pm

re: #230 bratwurst

Wait, I have a response.

233 Kragar  Dec 25, 2014 7:48:16pm

re: #226 Gus

I haz grammar.

234 dell*nix  Dec 25, 2014 7:48:34pm

re: #175 b_sharp

Post surgical care takes a lot of attention, gauze and disinfectant. Hope she makes a speedy recovery.

235 Varek Raith  Dec 25, 2014 7:49:01pm

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Or a dangling preposition

Ha Ha! Dangly Parts!

236 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 7:52:15pm

re: #232 The War TARDIS
Check out @The_War_TARDIS’s Tweet:

237 Belafon  Dec 25, 2014 7:52:22pm

re: #230 bratwurst

Reagan would have starred in a movie about screening a movie that made fun of killing a foreign leader.

238 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 7:54:12pm
239 Single-handed sailor  Dec 25, 2014 7:57:01pm
Pooh S Thompson
240 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 7:58:21pm

re: #238 teleskiguy

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241 prairiefire  Dec 25, 2014 7:58:41pm

So my dad has been paying for 5 months of “text to” messages. From reading the texts on his phone, folks have been texting to a 78 year old white guy instead of a 23 year old Latina gal.

242 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 7:59:27pm

Shakin’ Stevens rockin’ out old skool style with So Long Christmas

So Long Christmas - Shakin’ Stevens

243 jaunte  Dec 25, 2014 8:01:11pm

re: #230 bratwurst

“Why won’t Obama lead screen?”
—Topical Wingnut

244 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 8:01:37pm

*sigh* So BBC America will show Doctor Who the day it shows on BBC in the UK, but I have to wait a week for the new Top Gear special to air. *grumblegrumble*

245 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 8:03:24pm
246 Iwouldprefernotto  Dec 25, 2014 8:05:43pm
Chewie

As a Jew, I do not observe the Christian/Pagan holiday of Christmas, but the dog is totally into it. So…

247 Fineday  Dec 25, 2014 8:09:31pm

re: #62 freetoken

Everytime I see an image of “Jesus” looking especially pale with ginger hair:
Image: jesus-nazareth-105.jpg
or with blue eyes:
Image: jesus-nazareth-425.jpg

I can only walk away with two possibilities:
1) Either God is into the whole Aryan thing, or
2) “Jesus” bio-dad was a Roman army recruit from Scandi or Britannia.

I remember going on a tour of the LDS visitors’ center in Salt Lake City, and the thing that struck me the most was that Jesus was depicted as a blond, blue-eyed guy with a trimmed beard in every single picture they had of him. And they had a lot!

248 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 8:11:21pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

Maybe, just maybe, it is because Jeremy Clarkson is a worthless, evil bigot who would be torn apart by our media for his crap. Just like he should.

249 prairiefire  Dec 25, 2014 8:15:47pm

Dr. Who Christmas special was fantastic, and a great lead in to more.

250 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 8:16:21pm

re: #248 The War TARDIS

Maybe, just maybe, it is because Jeremy Clarkson is a worthless, evil bigot who would be torn apart by our media for his crap. Just like he should.

No, I imagine the reason we’re forced to wait a week is because they have to figure out where to cut it to jam in commercials for American audiences.

251 psddluva4evah  Dec 25, 2014 8:18:43pm

Rep John Lewis is a really good guy.

252 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 8:20:47pm
253 teleskiguy  Dec 25, 2014 8:21:34pm

I love my sisters! They got me Christmas presents this year. The Oba Mao tee#238, a SteriPen UV water purifier, an Onion 2015 daily calendar, and as yet to be determined because it’s still in the mail.

254 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 8:22:47pm
255 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 8:22:50pm

re: #250 Targetpractice

True, that is a point. Doctor Who was having a problem with this.

But, if you show him on Christmas here, you have a 50%+ chance of him saying something foul.

Then BBC America and AMC get calls and yelling, and then you have a shitshow.

256 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 8:25:27pm

re: #255 The War TARDIS

True, that is a point. Doctor Who was having a problem with this.

But, if you show him on Christmas here, you have a 50%+ chance of him saying something foul.

Then BBC America and AMC get calls and yelling, and then you have a shitshow.

I’m well aware of Clarkson’s political and personal views. I just tend to treat them as secondary to the humor that’s generally on display in an episode of Top Gear.

257 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 25, 2014 8:27:30pm

Hope you all had a good Christmas, got a book on Naval Tactics, an English cuisine cookbook (Bubble & Squeek!) & a flannel shirt. Good enough for me.

Now off to work once again, at least the Pizza Hut was closed today so only the hotel tonight. Back at both tomorrow.

258 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 8:28:41pm

re: #256 Targetpractice

I won’t watch a car show with him, since he is damn close to be a Rush Limbaugh analogue.

I will wish that he has an encounter with a group of angry badgers that deprives him of his twigs and berries.

259 Lancelot Link  Dec 25, 2014 8:30:51pm

For some reason i thought of this…
Father Ted | Down with This Sort of Thing | Channel 4

260 psddluva4evah  Dec 25, 2014 8:31:57pm

I actually had to work at the hospital today, but afterwards I brought my Maddie her present. Then, I took Maddie and her crew (my lil girl cousins) to see Annie. They all said they liked it. Maddie gave Annie an A+. I liked it but other than Jamie Foxx, nobody really sounded good. Me and my cousin, both agreed they should have just dubbed the voices. Still I liked it and the actors other than Cameron Diaz were good. And honestly, I could have taken the movie even with Cameron Diaz, but the singing really wasn’t up to what you’d expect from the Annie musical.

Still, the appropriate age group loved it, singing or not!

261 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 8:36:20pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

*sigh* So BBC America will show Doctor Who the day it shows on BBC in the UK, but I have to wait a week for the new Top Gear special to air. *grumblegrumble*

As a still practicing gearhead I couldn’t wait to see Top Gear after a friend told me about the show. So I watched three episodes and that was it.

“The 485 thousand dollar Caproni Magnum Velocette goes really fast and it’s quite comfortable to drive.”

Well, no shit it’s a nice car. For that kind of money the car should give you a blowjob on demand and make great coffee. It just struck me as silly.

262 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 8:40:30pm

re: #258 The War TARDIS

I won’t watch a car show with him, since he is damn close to be a Rush Limbaugh analogue.

I will wish that he has an encounter with a group of angry badgers that deprives hI’m of his twigs and berries.

A Rush Limbaugh analogue? Whatever the man’s faults, he is nowhere near as bad as Limbaugh.

263 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 8:42:11pm

re: #261 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I actually need to confess something about the last sentence.

I always have seen that sex act as a form of power over someone. I really don’t find it sexy.

And I agree with your thoughts on the show.

264 The War TARDIS  Dec 25, 2014 8:43:46pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

He has said something truly vicious things, on a regular basis. You may think it harsh, but it is the truth.

265 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 8:47:01pm

Google earth is really helpful at times like this. Just looking around in a 4 or 5 hour drive radius for a quiet nice place to get some landscape or wildlife shots. Get somewhere photogenic and stay a couple days on a budget.

Took a look at Death Valley. OMG $550 a night! The search continues.

266 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 8:50:14pm

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

Google earth is really helpful at times like this. Just looking around in a 4 or 5 hour drive radius for a quiet nice place to get some landscape or wildlife shots. Get somewhere photogenic and stay a couple days on a budget.

Took a look at Death Valley. OMG $550 a night! The search continues.

Seems kind of high.

267 Targetpractice  Dec 25, 2014 8:50:30pm

re: #264 The War TARDIS

He has said something truly vicious things, on a regular basis. You may think it harsh, but it is the truth.

Yes, I’m aware of the things he’s said. But there’s a difference between careless comments and intentional cruelty, and I maintain that Limbaugh is squarely in the latter category.

268 BeachDem  Dec 25, 2014 8:50:39pm

Back from my holiday adventure with my next-door neighbor (loony daughter who moved in when her mother, my dear friend, died last year.)

Went at 7, the time she said dinner would be (she was going to make a ham, but changed to cranberry meatloaf—whatever.) The only aromas discernible upon arriving were grass and cat, and, for some reason, Gone with the Wind was playing on TV.

She said that she forgot that she didn’t have any ground beef, so couldn’t make the meatloaf and was thinking about going with a rice-a-roni dish instead. I went home, grabbed some ground beef from the freezer and she proceeded to make the meatloaf. At about 8:15, it finally went in the oven.

We finally ate at about 9:45—by then, the wild mushroom bread pudding I’d made had dried out to near brick-like consistency (but was still the best thing on the plate.)

We watched the whole first season of “Drunk History,” ate various portions of brown and beige foods, then had dessert (which I brought) and finally I came home.

The end.

269 jaunte  Dec 25, 2014 8:52:20pm

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

Bishop has some inexpensive places to stay.

270 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 8:54:47pm

re: #269 jaunte

That might just work. Not too far like Vegas.

271 jaunte  Dec 25, 2014 8:56:15pm

re: #270 Rightwingconspirator

I liked the area when I drove through it last, and it was a reasonable haul to Death Valley.

272 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 25, 2014 8:57:23pm

Reading the comments in this thread I can’t help but compare them to the comments in this thread.

273 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 9:02:45pm

Found under the metaphorical xmas tree this morning: “The Complete Heinz 1962-1965” by Heinz Burt, German-born, UK-raised singer and bassist, the UK’s answer to Eddie Cochran. Danke schatz!

Youtube Video

274 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 9:10:27pm

re: #269 jaunte

Bishop has some inexpensive places to stay.

Ridgecrest might be cheaper and is marginally closer.

275 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 9:11:39pm

re: #271 jaunte

looking at lone Pine. Not quite so far up but from the satellite view I might get some interesting landscapes. Severe and beautiful.

276 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 25, 2014 9:13:33pm

re: #274 calochortus

Yeah up 395 it is. Maybe aim to catch that bit of weather forecast early next week for interesting sky.

277 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 9:14:45pm

re: #275 Rightwingconspirator

Lone Pine would be a good choice too, if you’re not up for a stay at the Furnace Creek Inn (presumably your $550 choice?)

278 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 9:15:00pm

I’m so bored I’m eavesdropping on other patients. V is asleep but they keep waking her to change dressing.
My phone is down to 19%

279 retired cynic  Dec 25, 2014 9:15:35pm

re: #278 b_sharp

Thinking of you!

280 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 9:15:46pm

re: #278 b_sharp

I’m so bored I’m eavesdropping on other patients. V is asleep but they keep waking her to change dressing.
My phone is down to 19%

Waking people up is what hospitals seem to do best.

281 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 9:19:18pm

I forgot to mention I have an itchy elbow.

282 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 9:20:03pm

re: #278 b_sharp

The nurses are usually pretty good about scaring up a charger. Ask at the nursing station.

283 calochortus  Dec 25, 2014 9:24:14pm

Good night all. Hasta mañana.

284 ipsos  Dec 25, 2014 9:24:23pm

re: #265 Rightwingconspirator

Head east from DV to Beatty, Nevada and it gets cheaper quickly. Or go up the Owens Valley and try Independence, Big Pine or Bishop.

285 prairiefire  Dec 25, 2014 9:24:52pm

re: #278 b_sharp

{{v}}

286 retired cynic  Dec 25, 2014 9:25:01pm

re: #281 b_sharp

Has she been moved to a room, or are you still stuck in ER?

287 ipsos  Dec 25, 2014 9:25:40pm

re: #284 ipsos

If you really want some impressive desolation, hang a right off 395 at 168 in Big Pine and go up the Westgard Pass and then down into Deep Springs Valley. If they’ve had rain there lately, it should be magnificent.

288 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 25, 2014 9:27:30pm

Hey cool. I need a new camera body (probably a used E-PL5) and hope to find a used 25/1.8 normal prime when the tax refund comes it. So I was looking at keh. Now most of the page ads here are for keh rather than wingnut politics. HOORAY!

289 Jenner7  Dec 25, 2014 9:28:01pm

G’night.

Thinking of Mrs. Sharp…

Have a great weekend all!

290 De Kolta Chair  Dec 25, 2014 9:33:31pm
291 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 25, 2014 9:34:32pm

re: #278 b_sharp

{{{b_s & v}}}

292 goddamnedfrank  Dec 25, 2014 9:35:32pm

re: #287 ipsos

If you really want some impressive desolation, hang a right off 395 at 168 in Big Pine and go up the Westgard Pass and then down into Deep Springs Valley. If they’ve had rain there lately, it should be magnificent.

Salton Sea. Ain’t nothing else in California got that combination of apocalyptic fucked-upness mixed with wildlife preserve. Winter is a good time for bird watching there.

293 Snarknado!  Dec 25, 2014 9:35:42pm

re: #278 b_sharp

Hang in there! Thinking of you.

294 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 9:40:00pm
295 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 9:42:20pm
296 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 9:47:31pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

Salton Sea. Ain’t nothing else in California got that combination of apocalyptic fucked-upness mixed with wildlife preserve. Winter is a good time for bird watching there.

Salton Sea, particularly Bombay Beach, is downright surreal. For amazing and desolate landscapes try the Borrego Badlands.

297 ipsos  Dec 25, 2014 9:49:01pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

This.

“Imperial” by William T. Vollman is a good (if very long) read about the area and its bizarre history and people. (Bonus: Vollman went to the little college in the Deep Springs Valley, as mentioned upthread,)

298 goddamnedfrank  Dec 25, 2014 9:54:38pm

re: #297 ipsos

This.

“Imperial” by William T. Vollman is a good (if very long) read about the area and its bizarre history and people. (Bonus: Vollman went to the little college in the Deep Springs Valley, as mentioned upthread,)

The Sea also only has about three years left. In 2018 they’re going to stop sending any mitigation water and what’s left of it is probably going to disappear forever.

299 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 25, 2014 10:09:26pm

re: #298 goddamnedfrank

The Sea also only has about three years left. In 2018 they’re going to stop sending any mitigation water and what’s left of it is probably going to disappear forever.

That is one of the worst ideas I’ve ever heard. The sediment of the Salton Sea is loaded with heavy metals, pesticides and various salts. Once the sea dries up the winds will blow those things to hell and gone with devastating health effects.

300 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:18:45pm
301 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:26:28pm
302 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:34:40pm

What?!

//

303 Kragar  Dec 25, 2014 10:35:06pm

Current Status:

304 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:43:15pm

Let them eat, pie!

305 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:46:45pm
306 A Cranky One  Dec 25, 2014 10:47:11pm

re: #278 b_sharp

Sorry to hear that the problems continue. Best wishes; hope they get the infection under control.

And that your elbow stops itching ;)

307 b_sharp  Dec 25, 2014 10:55:44pm

Quick update before I head to bed.

I’m home, V is in a room at the hospital plugged back into pain meds, saline and whatever else they feel they want to inject into her.

The surgeon will be looking in on her tomorrow morning and deciding what to do. I just hope they don’t have to open her up again, the poor woman has gone through enough pain.

G’night folks.

I hope to get a few hours sleep before I head back to the hospital.

308 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 10:59:05pm

re: #307 b_sharp

Quick update before I head to bed.

I’m home, V is in a room at the hospital plugged back into pain meds, saline and whatever else they feel they want to inject into her.

The surgeon will be looking in on her tomorrow morning and deciding what to do. I just hope they don’t have to open her up again, the poor woman has gone through enough pain.

G’night folks.

I hope to get a few hours sleep before I head back to the hospital.

Besos.

309 Usually refered to as anyways  Dec 25, 2014 10:59:32pm

re: #307 b_sharp

{{{ b_sharp}}}
Not the best way to spend Christmas, thoughts and prayers go out to you and V.

310 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 11:03:19pm
311 Gus  Dec 25, 2014 11:18:33pm
312 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 12:10:39am

Along the same lines as that second bulletin, the BBC reported that two Saudi women who defied the ban on driving will be tried in a terrorism court.

313 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 12:38:41am

Forgot the link to the BBC story. bbc.com

314 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 2:58:50am

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Along the same lines as that second bulletin, the BBC reported that two Saudi women who defied the ban on driving will be tried in a terrorism court.

Let us not deceive ourselves to thinking these were “lone she-wolf” incidents: it is all part of the War on Ramadan!!!

/

315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 3:11:31am

re: #312 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Along the same lines as that second bulletin, the BBC reported that two Saudi women who defied the ban on driving will be tried in a terrorism court.

Meanwhile in a so-called “secular” state:

Turkey teenager accused of insulting president released

316 Dr Lizardo  Dec 26, 2014 3:24:33am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It’s Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code; it gets Turkey a lot of grief from the EU, to say the least. It’s a bizarre law, and if one of these days, Turkey does find itself as an EU member state, it’ll probably have to go.

317 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 3:45:38am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

It’s Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code; it gets Turkey a lot of grief from the EU, to say the least. It’s a bizarre law, and if one of these days, Turkey does find itself as an EU member state, it’ll probably have to go.

Along with the law making it illegal to refer to the Armenian Genocide as such.

318 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 4:16:56am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

It’s Article 301 of the Turkish Penal Code; it gets Turkey a lot of grief from the EU, to say the least. It’s a bizarre law, and if one of these days, Turkey does find itself as an EU member state, it’ll probably have to go.

Thailand has a similar law regarding the monarchy. Any criticism of the king or the royal family will land you in jail quicker than you can say Chulalongkorn.

319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 4:19:58am

re: #318 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Thailand has a similar law regarding the monarchy. Any criticism of the king or the royal family will land you in jail quicker than you can say Chulalongkorn.

No toilet jokes about king Bhumibol having a loud BM?

320 Dr Lizardo  Dec 26, 2014 4:21:15am

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Along with the law making it illegal to refer to the Armenian Genocide as such.

Oh, yeah…..if there’s anything guaranteed to get someone’s blood up faster in Turkey, it’s that one.

321 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 4:23:50am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

No toilet jokes about king Bhumibol having a loud BM?

You can’t even suggest that Bhumibol is maybe too old to be king and should step down. The military junta in control now has incorporated pro-monarchy political “education” in the schools now, so it is going to take another King Mongkut or Chulalongkorn to demote the monarch to mere mortal.

322 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 4:30:28am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

Oh, yeah…..if there’s anything guaranteed to get someone’s blood up faster in Turkey, it’s that one.

Meanwhile, France has laws making it illegal to deny the Armenian Genocide. Good luck reconciling those two laws should Turkey ever join the EU…

323 Maggie's Pa  Dec 26, 2014 4:52:37am

re: #319 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Up-ding for using BM in a sentence. I don’t think I have ever seen that used here. Reminds me of my Ma, spoken with a Brooklyn accent.

324 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 4:57:44am

re: #323 Maggie’s Pa

Up-ding for using BM in a sentence. I don’t think I have ever seen that used here. Reminds me of my Ma, spoken with a Brooklyn accent.

We were watching Mell Brooks’ Men in Tights last night and it comes up in the dialogue.

325 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 5:54:56am
326 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 5:56:07am

re: #325 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

“Took the second place in the losers’ contest.”

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In China?

327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 5:56:27am

re: #326 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Sevastopol.

328 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 5:57:27am

OK

329 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 5:57:42am

re: #325 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Leaving this comment for Charles: the video titles don’t seem to display Russian (and I suppose some other) characters properly.

330 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 6:00:46am

Look on the bright side: now Crimea has its own falling tower.

331 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 6:02:27am

Greets and saluts on this Boxing Day, post-Christmas quiet morning from the NYC metro area. The NYPD has been busy arresting people who have allegedly made threats against the Department in the wake of the assassination of the two officers last week.

I wonder if anyone’s bothered to arrest the Bundy clan and those who were out at the ranch pointing rifles at law enforcement there - a direct and imminent threat against law enforcement. Of course, those were feds, and it was Nevada, but seems like there was no such crackdown against the people who were threatening law enforcement.

My sense is that the events in NYC are getting wider play because it: 1) happened in NYC; and 2) the racial background of the shooter.

332 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 26, 2014 6:13:25am

re: #329 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Leaving this comment for Charles: the video titles don’t seem to display Russian (and I suppose some other) characters properly.

I get that sometimes, too, when the Chinese characters are not in Unicode but some meshuginna Microsoft format

333 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 26, 2014 6:44:45am

We can be heroes just for one day…

Among the self-proclaimed heroes who went to a movie theater Christmas Day and “defended” their right to freedom of speech by seeing Seth Rogen-James Franco comedy The Interview were a ragtag group in an Austin Alamo Drafthouse that sang Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA” at their screening.
Similar moments of pre-movie singing were reported in an Atlanta theater as well. This is the incredible, irony-free lede from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution’s story: “The movie, and the singing, served as a statement from many theatergoers that a foreign power would not dictate what forms of entertainment Americans could or could not enjoy.”

via Gawker

334 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 6:47:31am

re: #331 lawhawk

Greets and saluts on this Boxing Day, post-Christmas quiet morning from the NYC metro area. The NYPD has been busy arresting people who have allegedly made threats against the Department in the wake of the assassination of the two officers last week.

I wonder if anyone’s bothered to arrest the Bundy clan and those who were out at the ranch pointing rifles at law enforcement there - a direct and imminent threat against law enforcement. Of course, those were feds, and it was Nevada, but seems like there was no such crackdown against the people who were threatening law enforcement.

My sense is that the events in NYC are getting wider play because it: 1) happened in NYC; and 2) the racial background of the shooter.

In reply:

1. I’d note that the guy who actually killed two cops in Las Vegas got kicked off of the Bundy ranch for his obviously violent tendencies, so it could be at least argued that those around Bundy were no longer responsible for his actions.

2. It indeed in part about police being killed in NYC commanding more attention, but it could not be otherwise. Though as a Chicagoan it annoys me to admit it, New York City is the largest and most important city in the United States. What happens there and how safe the city is presumed to be is of outsized importance to the nation.

3. The decision about whom to prosecute is also involved. Simply put, it is easier to find a jury in New York City that will convict someone for openly threatening the NYPD that it is to find a Jury in rural Nevada that would convict for openly threatening the Bureau of Land Management.

Successful police work produces defenders, those who feel their lives are better because of police vigilance or because the police protected someone close to the defender from crime or caught the person who had committed a crime that hit close to home. The work the BLM does produces few local defenders. Most ranchers see the BLM as unfriendly and run by distant bureaucrats. People with that sort of view are more likely to nullify in when on a jury.

335 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 6:49:33am

re: #333 Higgs Boson’s Mate

We can be heroes just for one day…

via Gawker

Eh, let folks do that. It’s massively overdone, I grant, but flipping the foreign tyrant the bird is very much in America’s civic tradition and it’s good for public morale.

336 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 6:55:31am

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

It’s comical. But they should have a right to do that without foreign interference.

337 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 6:58:02am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

The jury wouldn’t be in rural Nevada. It would likely be in Las Vegas in federal court. Bundy’s ranch is in Clark County, home of Las Vegas.

338 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:00:07am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

Additionally, ranchers don’t give a rat’s ass if their livelihood destroys the environment.

339 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:02:40am

re: #338 Sionainn

Additionally, ranchers don’t give a rat’s ass if their livelihood destroys the environment.

True, but that’s why they’re likely to nullify.

340 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:03:43am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

True, but that’s why they’re likely to nullify.

There aren’t too many ranchers in a jury pool in Las Vegas. On top of that, the other ranchers in Nevada are pissed off at Bundy for his antics and not paying.

341 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:07:44am

re: #340 Sionainn

There aren’t too many ranchers in a jury pool in Las Vegas. On top of that, the other ranchers in Nevada are pissed off at Bundy for his antics and not paying.

The fact remains that the BLM is widely disliked. I’d also point out it would be very difficult to prove that Bundy ordered sharpshooters into position, and it would also be hard to prove those sharpshooters actually had federal agents in their sights. The photos that were released wouldn’t prove the case, not against people with private lawyers.

342 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 7:09:35am

re: #334 Dark_Falcon

1) I’m not just talking about the two people who were kicked off the ranch and later killed Nevada law enforcement officers. I’m talking about the guys on the overpasses with the rifles aimed at BLM. I’m talking about the other people at the ranch with firearms that were threatening to use them if BLM carried out their lawful actions to seize Bundy’s livestock for his repeated failure to pay grazing fees.

They were protecting a law breaker, and were threatening use of force against duly authorized law enforcement with deadly force. There’s no other way to sugar coat that. The only thing stopping the Bundy ranch supporters from opening fire was that the BLM instead chose to deescalate the situation rather than provoke a deadly outcome for many involved (both civilian and law enforcement).

2) No question NYC is the media capital, but the level of coverage for the assassination of the two cops in Nevada pales in comparison to the coverage of the two NYPD officers killed, or even that of the PA state trooper killed in a sniper attack - even though both were on par with the same kind of deadly outcomes and anti-law enforcement backgrounds of the shooters.

3) The decision to prosecute? The feds limited their response so as to prevent the loss of life that would have come from the Bundy ranch escalating the level of violence. They should have prosecuted on that basis alone - threatening law enforcement, obstruction of justice, and the failure to do so only gives the Bundy ranch/sovereign citizen movements nationally more of an impetus to act lawlessly, arm and threaten law enforcement when the law enforcement comes to enforce duly enacted laws all because they’ve got some misbegotten understanding of law and their belief that the law doesn’t apply to them. The failure of the BLM and the feds to act only feeds the Bundy ranch supporters in their vindication that they can do whatever they want with no legal repercussions. That has long term consequences that only means bad things for everyone.

343 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:10:35am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

I think that’s your own prejudice, thinking that the BLM is widely disliked. The rest of us are more than happy that the BLM is managing our wilderness areas. In Nevada, I can go camp darn near anywhere I want because it’s public land. Hunters can hunt just about anywhere they want because it’s public land. All they need is a license which doesn’t cost much at all.

344 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 7:13:10am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Bundy didn’t have to order the sharpshooters. Each could be prosecuted individually for threatening law enforcement. Those that held the line in the ranch (and stayed on Bundy’s ranch) could likewise face prosecution for their acts individually.

BLM doesn’t have to be liked - the ranchers still have to abide by the law. Bundy used to pay his fees, until the BLM changed the fee structure. Bundy didn’t like that and stopped paying. That you hate the government or the agency doesn’t mean you can simply ignore it, or the consequences of the actions.

345 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 7:14:45am

re: #343 Sionainn

In fact, the BLM fees are still quite low considering what the ranchers get out of the deal. They don’t have to actually own the land on which their herds are grazing (a significant cost savings). Bundy was complaining about a fee that is still ridiculously low.

346 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:26:29am

re: #344 lawhawk

Getting back to what you said originally, i think it does come back in other ways to where things went down. Nevada is out in the periphery of the nation while NYC is at the very center. Acts of defiance that might be endurable down in the boondocks are not tolerable in the nation’s largest city.

Moreover, it’s easier to take down the kind threats we’re talking about in New York City. Regardless of who is making the arrest (local or federal), law enforcement can deploy in overwhelming force with excellent knowledge of the area. This virtually ensures that even if the suspects violently resist they’ll be either arrested or killed.

In Nevada outside of Las Vegas, law enforcement does not have as great a depth nor the same knowledge of the terrain. Thus a raid is more likely to end with the suspect escaping or in a prolonged standoff.

347 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 7:34:22am
348 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:39:46am

re: #347 lawhawk

He hasn’t ended any wars. Iraq had ended as a war before US troops left, only to flare back up because of the civil war in Syria. And as for Afghanistan, ending US involvement in a war is not the same thing as ending the war.

349 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2014 7:40:42am

My mute settings got wiped out on my laptop so I’m getting a bunch of derp from gun-fuckers who keep insisting that HURR HURR BUNCHA RANDOM PEOPLE WITH GUNS WOULD HAVE SO TOTALLY STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!!

350 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 7:41:00am

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

He hasn’t ended any wars. Iraq had ended as a war before US troops left, only to flare back up because of the civil war in Syria. And as for Afghanistan, ending US involvement in a war is not the same thing as ending the war.

He did not start either of those wars…

351 NJDhockeyfan  Dec 26, 2014 7:41:46am

Good morning lizards! I hope you all had a great Christmas :) We spent the morning unwrapping presents and having breakfast then spent the rest do the day at my aunts house. I didn’t realize how big my family is. Hole cow. In Virginia we had my wife’s sister and her redneck in-laws to visit, here my kids get to know a huge part of their family they didn’t know existed.

Oh, and my kids got a PS4 yesterday which is nothing more than a large paper weight right now. Fuck the hackers.

352 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:42:06am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Getting back to what you said originally, i think it does come back in other ways to where things went down. Nevada is out in the periphery of the nation while NYC is at the very center. Acts of defiance that might be endurable down in the boondocks are not tolerable in the nation’s largest city.

Moreover, it’s easier to take down the kind threats we’re talking about in New York City. Regardless of who is making the arrest (local or federal), law enforcement can deploy in overwhelming force with excellent knowledge of the area. This virtually ensures that even if the suspects violently resist they’ll be either arrested or killed.

In Nevada outside of Las Vegas, law enforcement does not have as great a depth nor the same knowledge of the terrain. Thus a raid is more likely to end with the suspect escaping or in a prolonged standoff.

Las Vegas is not the “boondocks.” There are plenty of people who know the “terrain.” Good grief.

353 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:42:45am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He did not start either of those wars…

I didn’t say he did. All I said was that he has ended any wars, not that he has begun them.

354 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:43:40am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards! I hope you all had a great Christmas :) We spent the morning unwrapping presents and having breakfast then spent the rest do the day at my aunts house. I didn’t realize how big my family is. Hole cow. In Virginia we had my wife’s sister and her redneck in-laws to visit, here my kids get to know a huge part of their family they didn’t know existed.

Oh, and my kids got a PS4 yesterday which is nothing more than a large paper weight right now. Fuck the hackers.

Yeah, what’s up with this “Lizard Squad” who apparently are the hackers? C’mon, people, ‘fess up.
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355 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:44:31am

re: #352 Sionainn

Las Vegas is not the “boondocks.” There are plenty of people who know the “terrain.” Good grief.

The places where the wingnuts who were at the Bundy ranch with guns live are mostly rural areas, and the ranch isn’t in the city.

356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 7:46:08am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

The places where the wingnuts who were at the Bundy ranch with guns live are mostly rural areas, and the ranch isn’t in the city.

The feds were correct in deciding that once anybody started shooting, things would escalate and get out of hand. It was a temporary moral”victory” for the chowderheads who insist that they have the right to selectively decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, but it does not change the legal situation.

357 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:46:09am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

My mute settings got wiped out on my laptop so I’m getting a bunch of derp from gun-fuckers who keep insisting that HURR HURR BUNCHA RANDOM PEOPLE WITH GUNS WOULD HAVE SO TOTALLY STOPPED TEH HOLOCAUST!!!!!!!

What’s funny is that the photos they post are all of partisans holding guns provided to them by one of the Allied governments.

358 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:46:28am

re: #356 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The feds were correct in deciding that once anybody started shooting, things would escalate and get out of hand. It was a temporary moral”victory” for the chowderheads who insist that they have the right to selectively decide which laws to obey and which to ignore, bu it does not change the legal situation.

Quite Concur.

359 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 7:47:34am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

The places where the wingnuts who were at the Bundy ranch with guns live are mostly rural areas, and the ranch isn’t in the city.

The ranch isn’t in the boonies, either. If anyone knew the terrain, it wouldn’t be the assholes coming in from other states, it would be the Nevada BLM and police officers.

360 NJDhockeyfan  Dec 26, 2014 7:49:34am

Speaking of hackers…

But our playstation is safe!
///

361 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 7:51:54am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards! I hope you all had a great Christmas :) We spent the morning unwrapping presents and having breakfast then spent the rest do the day at my aunts house. I didn’t realize how big my family is. Hole cow. In Virginia we had my wife’s sister and her redneck in-laws to visit, here my kids get to know a huge part of their family they didn’t know existed.

Oh, and my kids got a PS4 yesterday which is nothing more than a large paper weight right now. Fuck the hackers.

Your kids may have to get used to gaming without online multiplayer. The systems are just proving too vulnerable to hackers.

362 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2014 7:54:08am

I haz a sad. 68° and raining here. :(

363 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2014 7:54:39am

Maybe go Sunday to the beach.

364 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 26, 2014 7:54:42am

good morning Lizards, hope you all had a wonderful Christmas. I discovered the deliciousness of the Jagermeister Vanilla/cinnamon/clove blend mixed with egg nog. Highly recommend it.

365 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 7:55:16am

The point of stealth is that it makes it tougher for radar to paint and identify the incoming planes so that by the time they might be able to get a reading, the stealth plane has already hit its targets and is outbound.

To achieve stealth, the fighters limit the number of external weapons hardpoints and use internal bays to fire missiles or drop bombs. Electronics and avionics suites are also internalized.

The F-35 was designed years ago, and hasn’t taken advantage of the latest in targeting pods that current fighters, including the A-10, F-15, F-16, and F-18 use to paint their targets. Those targeting pods provide an expansive picture of events on the ground and can relay them as well. The F-35? Apparently, its targeting systems don’t have that capability, and a fix would be a costly one.

In other words, the F-35 will not be as useful in air-to-ground situations as the F-16, A-10, and other aircraft that are significantly cheaper per unit, and have long shown their value.

Figures.

366 The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2014 7:56:32am

re: #365 lawhawk

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The point of stealth is that it makes it tougher for radar to paint and identify the incoming planes so that by the time they might be able to get a reading, the stealth plane has already hit its targets and is outbound.

To achieve stealth, the fighters limit the number of external weapons hardpoints and use internal bays to fire missiles or drop bombs. Electronics and avionics suites are also internalized.

The F-35 was designed years ago, and hasn’t taken advantage of the latest in targeting pods that current fighters, including the A-10, F-15, F-16, and F-18 use to paint their targets. Those targeting pods provide an expansive picture of events on the ground and can relay them as well. The F-35? Apparently, its targeting systems don’t have that capability, and a fix would be a costly one.

In other words, the F-35 will not be as useful in air-to-ground situations as the F-16, A-10, and other aircraft that are significantly cheaper per unit, and have long shown their value.

Figures.

How many billions will it cost to upgrade?

367 NJDhockeyfan  Dec 26, 2014 8:00:04am

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Your kids may have to get used to gaming without online multiplayer. The systems are just proving too vulnerable to hackers.

I have a backup, I got them Sims4 for the PC. We are installing it right now :)

368 darthstar  Dec 26, 2014 8:01:59am

Jingle bells, everyone.

369 darthstar  Dec 26, 2014 8:03:14am
370 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:04:04am

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

How many billions will it cost to upgrade?

Unknown.

One of the JSF officials agreed that the EOTS does not speak well for the Pentagon’s ability to buy new weapons. “EOTS is a poster child for one of the ills of the acquisition process,” the official said. “Because all of the subsystems depend on each other, requirements aren’t allowed to change after the design is ‘finalized.’ It’s not a big deal, unless it takes 20 years to field the jet… then it’s a problem.”

The F-35 will likely work out most of its problems, but it should remain the Great Example as to why defense procurement needs reform.

371 Sionainn  Dec 26, 2014 8:04:36am

re: #368 darthstar

I may be falling down in my job as a parent. I don’t think my girls know that version of the song.

372 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 8:04:42am

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

How many billions will it cost to upgrade?

The JSF/F-35 program total cost is nearly $400 billion to date. I haven’t seen any costs associated with upgrades to this particular system, but it’d be considerable. Each plane costs upwards of $178 million averaging the three variants. Total cost to the US for the F-35 program over its lifetime is likely to be well north of $1 trillion (that’s with a T).

The F-22 program is another $60+ billion and the order was limited because the F-35 has overlapping missions.

That’s money that could have gone to so many other programs that are more worthy even within the military, let alone to civilian programs (like infrastructure).

373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:16:03am

re: #365 lawhawk

In other words, the F-35 will not be as useful in air-to-ground situations as the F-16, A-10, and other aircraft that are significantly cheaper per unit, and have long shown their value.

Figures.

This represents the absolute apex of what the Military-Industrial complex is about: a license for defense contractors to print money at tayxpayers’ expense

374 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 8:16:49am

re: #365 lawhawk

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

Hm. Maybe so as they say. But the critics have a history of being spectacularly wrong.

If you go back you will see similar complaints about almost every advanced weapon. You know those precision guided smart missiles we now depend on? The critics phrase was “gold plated weapons” that could not possibly be produced in sufficient numbers given the expense. Then we put cheap precision kits on old vietnam era dumb bombs and dropped them into particular windows of particular buildings wrecking enemy facilities whilst leaving nearby civilian facilities almost undamaged.

The F-15 was called a boondoggle, a huge mistake in comparison to the cheaper lighter f-16. Today the F-15 has an air to air combat record unmatched in the history of air combat. It’s biggest problem is age. Funny how that turned out.

The B-2 is said to become visible if it gets wet. False. Stealth is said to be vulnerable to long wave radar-Somewhat true but long wave is useless for weapons control. A point missed in all the critics articles on the point. And established tactics of dealing with layered threats somehow stay out of these critics memos.

The devices that the F-35 won’t carry are assumed to be too large now and forever apparently. But as a network centric plane it’s not supposed to carry those sensors, it’s supposed to use their data from other craft. Plus in one part of the article it’s claimed they could have planned ahead, but in another admit certain capacities were “undreamed of” when the plane was designed. Newsflash-Development in combat with established craft always proceeds faster than prototypical design.

375 darthstar  Dec 26, 2014 8:18:20am

Wow…Jeb really is serious about running for president.

376 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:19:52am

re: #375 darthstar

Wow…Jeb really is serious about running for president.

Is he going to give back all the money his company made from the ACA?

377 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:24:25am

re: #374 Rightwingconspirator

You’ve got a good point, RWC, but the F-35 has had even more problems than those planes did. I think it will find its place in the fullness of time, but it will still have cost far more and taken far longer to enter service than it should have. And that is a scandal.

[joking]And being that its a scandal, I blame Obama for it.[/joking]

378 Ace-o-aces  Dec 26, 2014 8:27:54am

re: #230 bratwurst

A wingnut has been drinking tonight:

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Well, He did watch a lot of movies:
reagan.utexas.edu

379 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:30:08am

re: #378 Ace-o-aces

Ronald Reagan would have screened “The Interview” in the White House.

WWZRD?

What would Zombie Reagan do?

380 lawhawk  Dec 26, 2014 8:32:08am

re: #374 Rightwingconspirator

The F-15 was expensive per unit as compared to other planes of that generation, but it has managed to become a platform for air to ground, which was something not envisioned, allowing it to keep around. The F-16 was a far cheaper plane, and does things that no other plane in the US inventory can do, including the F-15 or F-18.

Stealth bombers are still a boondoggle because they don’t have the carrying capacity of the B-52, and standoff weapons means that the B-52 can lob more at a target from greater range, than a B-2 could - all while keeping the crew at a safer distance. The cost remains eye-popping per unit for the B-2.

UAVs are starting to do the jobs of the bombers and long range attack fighters, meaning that for a fraction of the cost, you can get a UAV to do deep strike missions that would otherwise be carried out by a F-35 or F-22.

That’s the biggest criticism of the F-35 and F-22; they may indeed be the last manned fighters given the way that UAVs have proliferated in fighting in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Though, there’s a counter-criticism that manned fighters will always be needed to handle complex missions, or to avert a possible cyber attack that might cripple a UAV networked fighter system.

381 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:33:18am

re: #378 Ace-o-aces

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Well, He did watch a lot of movies:
reagan.utexas.edu

And if Barack Obama screened it at the White House, Schilling would complain about Obama’s “low taste in movies”. Schilling’s real objection is that Obama is not the same color as the White House.

382 Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2014 8:34:32am

Yet the thing is, there are several cheaper alternatives to the F-35 on the market today. Hell, Canada’s actually having a bit of a political crisis over the cost of F-35 compared to the alternatives and may cancel its own order. Why? Because the major selling point of the F-35, stealth, only really matters in an aggressive war against an enemy which has a modern air defense set-up and modern fighters. On every other selling point, from performance to reliability, the competitors can either match or beat it. And the biggest selling point? The alternatives are already in service, while the F-35 might be another half a decade before the first combat unit goes operational.

383 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:35:01am

re: #382 Targetpractice

Our military is not about cheap alternatives

384 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:36:33am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

As an expansion, I don’t think Obama’s chiding Sony was Roosevelt-esque (either TR or FDR) but it was good enough. Sony needed to Man Up, and Obama played a big role in getting the company to do that. For that, I give Barack Obama credit.

385 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 8:36:45am

It seems to be a 3 day flu with a lingering cough.

I feel, though, it will be another few days before I feel normal. The fever/chill cycle was vicious.

I hope everyone here stayed healthy.

386 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 8:41:45am

Personally, I think it’s rather obvious that the release for the Interview was planned.

-They decided to say they are not releasing it.
-They get to benefit from the media hype (thank you DRK for the free advertising blitz)
-They choose a few select theatres and announce 2 days in advance, thus not giving any possible terrorists time to act.
-Then, release it online — totally cutting the middle men involved in a nation-wide theatrical release.

What a strategy.

387 Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2014 8:41:54am

re: #383 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Our military is not about cheap alternatives

Ours is not, but the partners in the program are. We have the luxury of being able to afford gold-plated fighters. Meanwhile, as I noted, Canada right now have a political storm brewing over their commitment to the F-35 program. Harper’s getting it with both barrels, not only over the cost and complexity of the program, but also over the failure to put fighter procurement up to a competitive bid.

388 Ace-o-aces  Dec 26, 2014 8:43:34am

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

And if Barack Obama screened it at the White House, Schilling would complain about Obama’s “low taste in movies”. Schilling’s real objection is that Obama is not the same color as the White House.

Actually, I’m sure Obama would get in trouble with the RWNJs for screening some of those movies (especially “Reds”, which in fairness, even Reagan got complaints about him seeing it).
Also, there’s a lot more Woody Allen on that list than I would have guessed.

389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:43:53am

re: #387 Targetpractice

Ours is not, but the partners in the program are. We have the luxury of being able to afford gold-plated fighters. Meanwhile, as I noted, Canada right now have a political storm brewing over their commitment to the F-35 program. Harper’s getting it with both barrels, not only over the cost and complexity of the program, but also over the failure to put fighter procurement up to a competitive bid.

No-bid, cost plus contracts = license to print money

390 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:47:41am

re: #388 Ace-o-aces

Actually, I’m sure Obama would get in trouble with the RWNJs for screening some of those movies (especially “Reds”, which in fairness, even Reagan got complaints about him seeing it).
Also, there’s a lot more Woody Allen on that list than I would have guessed.

Reagan was an actor before he was a politician, and his view of movies always remained that of an actor. It’s one of the things non-fanatical people can see as a Good Thing about Ronald Reagan.

391 Snarknado!  Dec 26, 2014 8:47:45am

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

Personally, I think it’s rather obvious that the release for the Interview was planned.

-They decided to say they are not releasing it.
-They get to benefit from the media hype (thank you DRK for the free advertising blitz)
-They choose a few select theatres and announce 2 days in advance, thus not giving any possible terrorists time to act.
-Then, release it online — totally cutting the middle men involved in a nation-wide theatrical release.

What a strategy.

I don’t think they’re that clever. Or innovative either.

392 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 8:50:45am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Irony alert-To save money we consolidated our military aircraft producers. from many producers to 2 or 3. Ship producers to 1 or 2. Arguably only one sometimes. Now we are stunned at the consequences of the lack of a variety of design approaches, innovations and lack of competition.

And we get mad at them for poor planning? ROFL.

393 Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2014 8:51:57am

Quite honestly, my recommendation would be to cancel the F-35, pay the cancellation fee, turn the aircraft built so far into test aircraft, and license build the Rafale instead.

394 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 8:52:07am

re: #391 Snarknado!

I don’t think they’re that clever. Or innovative either.

Did you forget there is money involved?

395 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 8:52:22am

re: #386 FemNaziBitch

Personally, I think it’s rather obvious that the release for the Interview was planned.

-They decided to say they are not releasing it.
-They get to benefit from the media hype (thank you DRK for the free advertising blitz)
-They choose a few select theatres and announce 2 days in advance, thus not giving any possible terrorists time to act.
-Then, release it online — totally cutting the middle men involved in a nation-wide theatrical release.

What a strategy.

Your comment is much more powerful than you might think when you consider the old studio system, and how studios may no longer own the theaters.

396 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:53:00am

re: #393 Targetpractice

Quite honestly, my commendation would be to cancel the F-35, pay the cancellation fee, turn the aircraft built so far into test aircraft, and license build the Rafale instead.

Not going to happen. Congress would rather eat ground glass than license build a foreign plane.

397 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 8:53:51am

re: #380 lawhawk

Good points. Funny when you consider what may happen is stealth weapons betting launched by B-52’s.

398 Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2014 8:55:45am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Not going to happen. Congress would rather eat ground glass than license build a foreign plane.

Then we need to make peace with the reality that we’re going to fall behind our potential enemies and even our allies. Why? Because we can’t afford to build a huge fleet of bleeding-edge aircraft and keep them one step ahead of measures taken to defeat them. While we’re trying to build superfighters in droves and slowly going bankrupt for the effort, our competitors are upgrading last generation’s fighters with modern equipment and selling them for cheap in large numbers. Hell, countries are still buying the F-15, F-16, and F-18 new off the assembly line.

399 BigPapa  Dec 26, 2014 8:56:13am

re: #393 Targetpractice

Quite honestly, my recommendation would be to cancel the F-35, pay the cancellation fee, turn the aircraft built so far into test aircraft, and license build the Rafale instead.

Why do you hate America?

400 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 8:57:31am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Not going to happen. Congress would rather eat ground glass than license build a foreign plane.

Did you forget there is money involved?

401 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:59:01am

But let’s turn instead to some military hardware that is more common than high-end jets. This is a new Remington military police rifle called the R4:

R4 full auto

I love the sound of AR/M4-type rifles on full auto. Sounds like Freedom.

/ semi kidding.

402 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 8:59:12am

re: #399 BigPapa

Why do you hate America?

Remember:

Wealth and prosperity are measured in how many resources we consume.

Law and order are measured in how many policemen we employ, and how many criminals we imprison.

Foreign policy success is measured in how many wars we start.

And national defense capability is measured in how much we spend on military contracts.

403 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 8:59:35am

re: #400 FemNaziBitch

Did you forget there is money involved?

Nope.

404 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 9:00:33am

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

Not going to happen. Congress would rather eat ground glass than license build a foreign plane.

Idiots. Is a Tennessee built Toyota a Japanese truck? Building Rafale here in SoCal where we have the history and infrastructure for some of aviation’s greatest aircraft would be a win win. We did it before, the Harrier jet. Um maybe not SoCal but we as in the USA.

405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 9:04:14am

re: #404 Rightwingconspirator

Idiots. Is a Tennessee built Toyota a Japanese truck? Building Rafale here in SoCal where we have the history and infrastructure for some of aviation’s greatest aircraft would be a win win. We did it before, the Harrier jet. Um maybe not SoCal but we as in the USA.

We refused to build the British-designed 17-pounder anti-tank gun in WWII, the only thing capable of defeating German armor. We wound up retrofitting it on our Shermans.

406 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 9:06:22am

re: #404 Rightwingconspirator

Idiots. Is a Tennessee built Toyota a Japanese truck? Building Rafale here in SoCal where we have the history and infrastructure for some of aviation’s greatest aircraft would be a win win. We did it before, the Harrier jet. Um maybe not SoCal but we as in the USA.

Defense contracts are a form of corporate welfare in which taxpayer money is funneled into make-work projects that aid senators and congresspeople in getting re-elected. Nothing is allowed to tamper with that incestuous clusterfuck.

407 Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2014 9:07:41am

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

But let’s turn instead to some military hardware that is more common than high-end jets. This is a new Remington military police rifle called the R4:

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I love the sound of AR/M4-type rifles on full auto. Sounds like Freedom.

/ semi kidding.

And police need a 10” barrel on a rifle why?

408 Snarknado!  Dec 26, 2014 9:08:29am

re: #394 FemNaziBitch

Did you forget there is money involved?

On the contrary, it’s too much risk. They’re not likely to do nearly as well as a theatrical release would, even without the middleman.

409 Dr. Matt  Dec 26, 2014 9:11:59am

Is that a 10” barrel in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

410 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:12:08am

re: #407 Timothy Watson

And police need a 10” barrel on a rifle why?

For ease of use in getting in and out of vehicles. Why do you have a problem with police having such a weapon with a short barrel? Please confine replies to barrel length.

411 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 9:12:15am

re: #408 Snarknado!

On the contrary, it’s too much risk. They’re not likely to do nearly as well as a theatrical release would, even without the middleman.

Americans talk big about defending their freedoms (especially on the Internet), but if Sony had screened it and there was an attack, there would be no end of whining and finger-pointing about Sony putting profits above the safety of American theatergoers.

412 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:14:16am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

We refused to build the British-designed 17-pounder anti-tank gun in WWII, the only thing capable of defeating German armor. We wound up retrofitting it on our Shermans.

No, the USA never retrofitted any Shermans with 17-pounders. A small number of M4A3s (exact number and source cite to follow) were retrofitted for the 17-Pounder, but those were refitted in the UK by Britons.

413 Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2014 9:16:23am

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

For ease of use in getting in and out of vehicles. Why do you have a problem with police having such a weapon with a short barrel? Please confine replies to barrel length.

A fully automatic weapon with a 10” barrel: What’s the point? Police seem to be having no problems with getting shotguns out of their vehicles, which usually have at least 18” barrels, for years.

414 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 9:17:55am

re: #408 Snarknado!

On the contrary, it’s too much risk. They’re not likely to do nearly as well as a theatrical release would, even without the middleman.

Agreed. They had to respond to the threat, but pulling the movie entirely was never in the cards. (barring any credible threat intelligence)

They had to come-up with a strategy.

415 Snarknado!  Dec 26, 2014 9:19:49am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Americans talk big about defending their freedoms (especially on the Internet), but if Sony had screened it and there was an attack, there would be no end of whining and finger-pointing about Sony putting profits above the safety of American theatergoers.

That too, of course. I’ve heard lawyers’ talk about Sony’s vulnerability that would dissuade almost anyone.

416 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 9:21:35am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

Short barrell means less velocity, weight, more ability to turn or move or change aim quick. Useful in a serious gunfight like the North Hollywood bank robbery. Less velocity means more likely to stop on the first object hit, which is important in a city or residential area. Full auto defeats body armor.

Why hinder them with excess length and velocity?

417 Snarknado!  Dec 26, 2014 9:23:59am

re: #414 FemNaziBitch

Agreed. They had to respond to the threat, but pulling the movie entirely was never in the cards. (barring any credible threat intelligence)

They had to come-up with a strategy.

From what I’ve heard (interviews with Sony spokespeople) the plan was a theatrical release later. Obama’s remarks may be what changed all that. (But remember, he’s an irrelevant lame duck. Where have we heard that before?)

418 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:24:16am

re: #416 Rightwingconspirator

Short barrell means less velocity, weight, more ability to turn or move or change aim quick. Useful in a serious gunfight like the North Hollywood bank robbery. Less velocity means more likely to stop on the first object hit, which is important in a city or residential area. Full auto defeats body armor.

Why hinder them with excess length and velocity?

Quoted For Truth.

419 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:25:36am

re: #413 Timothy Watson

A fully automatic weapon with a 10” barrel: What’s the point? Police seem to be having no problems with getting shotguns out of their vehicles, which usually have at least 18” barrels, for years.

I’d point out that law enforcement often has short-barreled shotguns. The US Border Patrol uses Remington 870s with 14” barrels.

420 Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2014 9:26:06am

re: #416 Rightwingconspirator

Short barrell means less velocity, weight, more ability to turn or move or change aim quick. Useful in a serious gunfight like the North Hollywood bank robbery. Less velocity means more likely to stop on the first object hit, which is important in a city or residential area. Full auto defeats body armor.

Were they changing their aim a lot during the North Hollywood shootout when there were only two perpetrators? And why would you want a short barrel if you’re worried about defeating body armor?

Wouldn’t engaging someone at a longer range, with a longer barrel, giving you deeper penetration against a possibly armored target, particularly when a police officer should be able to shoot better than some asshole with an AK-47 be ideal over spraying a couple hundred rounds down a city block?

421 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 26, 2014 9:26:09am

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

No, the USA never retrofitted any Shermans with 17-pounders. A small number of M4A3s (exact number and source cite to follow) were retrofitted for the 17-Pounder, but those were refitted in the UK by Britons.

Unless I am mistaken wasn’t that the fabled Sherman Firefly? (They just released that line in World of Tanks and I am doing the currently painful grind through the Grant to get a Firefly).

422 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 26, 2014 9:28:00am

re: #421 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Unless I am mistaken wasn’t that the fabled Sherman Firefly? (They just released that line in World of Tanks and I am doing the currently painful grind through the Grant to get a Firefly).

Yes, and they parceled them out one per company to begin to have a chance against Tigers and Panthers

423 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 26, 2014 9:28:51am

re: #422 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Yes, and they parceled them out one per company to begin to have a chance against Tigers and Panthers

Thought so. :)

424 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 9:33:22am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

If snipers had gotten deployed, sure. Full auto of lesser impact still puts an armored man down. Back then LAPD was so under armed they wound up illegally getting better guns from a local store. A store that ATF tried to bust for it. And yes they were changing aim all along as those guys walked away under fire. “Only” two perpetrators? You should have seen that neighborhood after “only two” guys shot it up. Brass and bullets and bullet holes turned up for days.

Thing is sometimes it’s a sudden fight. Not like a hostage deal where the bad guys location is fixed and snipers and entry teams can stage up and then finally act. Next time an armored bad guy has at it with military weapons, the first cops on the scene might be able to deal with it. 9mm was always a bad idea for cops or soldiers. Inadequate to the task. Contributes to excessive fire.

425 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:36:11am

re: #421 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Unless I am mistaken wasn’t that the fabled Sherman Firefly? (They just released that line in World of Tanks and I am doing the currently painful grind through the Grant to get a Firefly).

Sherman Firefly is what the British called M4s fitted with the 17-Pounder. The M4A3 model was not issued to the British Army in anything but small numbers for testing. It was, however, the preferred tank for conversion of as far as the US Army was concerned, and over 80 M4A3s plus an few M4s for a total of 100 were converted to the 17-Pounder in the UK for US Army use. These did not become operational til after Germany had surrendered and as a result only 80 were taken into US service (with the other 20 retained by the UK). At one point it was proposed to transfer them to the Pacific for the invasion of Japan, but Japan field no tanks that the US 76mm gun could not defeat and so the proposal was decided against.

Source: M4 (76mm) Sherman Medium Tank: 1943-65, Zaloga, Steven J, Osprey Publishing, 2003.

426 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 9:39:50am

re: #420 Timothy Watson

I had my say, what would you say the police first rolling up on an armed robbery with multiple bad guys on the loose actually have instead? Forget SWAT or HRT, I mean the real first guys responding to automatic gunfire.

I think this is a good point for public debate. We are always downrange from the bad guys or the good guys.

427 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:41:38am

re: #424 Rightwingconspirator

If snipers had gotten deployed, sure. Full auto of lesser impact still puts an armored man down. Back then LAPD was so under armed they wound up illegally getting better guns from a local store. A store that ATF tried to bust for it. And yes they were changing aim all along as those guys walked away under fire. “Only” two perpetrators? You should have seen that neighborhood after “only two” guys shot it up. Brass and bullets and bullet holes turned up for days.

Thing is sometimes it’s a sudden fight. Not like a hostage deal where the bad guys location is fixed and snipers and entry teams can stage up and then finally act. Next time an armored bad guy has at it with military weapons, the first cops on the scene might be able to deal with it. 9mm was always a bad idea for cops or soldiers. Inadequate to the task. Contributes to excessive fire.

The only correction for that I’d make is that the ATF didn’t get as far as seeking arrest warrants. They raised questions about paperwork (for which there had been no time), after which the gun store called the LAPD officers it had provided the rifles and shotguns to, following which the LAPD called the Department of the Treasury (which the ATF was part of at the time), with the result that Treasury Secretary Lloyd Benson quashed the investigation and ordered the ATF to make an exception.

428 Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2014 9:44:38am

re: #425 Dark_Falcon

Sherman Firefly is what the British called M4s fitted with the 17-Pounder. The M4A3 model was not issued to the British Army in anything but small numbers for testing. It was, however, the preferred tank for conversion of as far as the US Army was concerned, and over 80 M4A3s plus an few M4s for a total of 100 were converted to the 17-Pounder in the UK for US Army use. These did not become operational til after Germany had surrendered and as a result only 80 were taken into US service (with the other 20 retained by the UK). At one point it was proposed to transfer them to the Pacific for the invasion of Japan, but Japan field no tanks that the US 76mm gun could not defeat and so the proposal was decided against.

Source: M4 (76mm) Sherman Medium Tank: 1943-65, Zaloga, Steven J, Osprey Publishing, 2003.

Considering that armor on Japanese tanks was so thin that a .50cal BMG round could punch through one side and out the other, firing a 17-pounder at one would be the very definition of “overkill.”

429 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 9:46:49am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

ATF never really let up on those B & B guys. They kept what screws were available tightened way past the intent of the law. When they went bankrupt (not wholly unrelated) I bought big at least for my humble budget. Some of the employees work at the range I help oversee. Quite a few interesting stories.

430 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:47:31am

BTW, the R4 I mentioned has seen the Philippines as its major customer, it and the longer R5. An article at the War Is Boring blog today gave me a good way to link two of our discussions, for the Philippines is buying a dozen low-cost fighters called the FA-50 Golden Eagle from South Korea.

431 Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2014 9:47:41am

re: #424 Rightwingconspirator

If snipers had gotten deployed, sure. Full auto of lesser impact still puts an armored man down. Back then LAPD was so under armed they wound up illegally getting better guns from a local store. A store that ATF tried to bust for it. And yes they were changing aim all along as those guys walked away under fire. “Only” two perpetrators? You should have seen that neighborhood after “only two” guys shot it up. Brass and bullets and bullet holes turned up for days.

Thing is sometimes it’s a sudden fight. Not like a hostage deal where the bad guys location is fixed and snipers and entry teams can stage up and then finally act. Next time an armored bad guy has at it with military weapons, the first cops on the scene might be able to deal with it. 9mm was always a bad idea for cops or soldiers. Inadequate to the task. Contributes to excessive fire.

Right, every cop needs a 10” fully automatic rifle because of one shooting in a metropolitan city.

And you know almost every police department uses .40 S&W nowadays, right?

And the ATF tried to “bust” the store for criminal violations of the law:

In 1993, relations between its founders, brothers Bob and Barry Kahn, soured. This led to litigation between the two over control of the company in 1994, eventually leading to a settlement in 1997 that left the business in the hands of Bob Kahn and his wife, Kathleen. It also racked up $1.75 million in legal and accounting fees, the first cited cause of the bankruptcy.

According to the filing, at this time, Barry Kahn engaged in illegal activities that would have endangered B&B’s licenses and which later got him locked up in federal prison. The filing further alleges that he bought substantial inventory against Bob Kahn’s wishes, which then had to be liquidated at a loss for $425,000. Bad investments followed, and all the while the company found itself with increasing legal headaches.

Beyond that, anti-gun legislation by the city has hurt.

“Gun businesses are dropping like flies in the city of Los Angeles,” said Chuck Michel, a spokesman for the California Rifle and Pistol Association and a lawyer who represented B&B in past lawsuits. “They have ridiculous taxes, ridiculous expenses and it’s impossible to find employees to get their permits approved. The simple truth is that they’ve litigated this store to death, which is what they always wanted to do.”

Two of B&B’s past legal difficulties are cited in the filing. A lawsuit filed by various municipalities in 1999, prosecuting various dealers and manufacturers as contributing to a public nuisance, tied up more funds in legal fees. Last March, agents from the California Department of Justice raided both of B&B’s facilities, alleging that the dealer had defrauded gun buyers.

“B&B believes that these acts were a blatant, premeditated and orchestrated attempt to destroy B&B,” the filing reads.

Hallye Jordan, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, disputed this, saying the department had turned up numerous complaints that the firm had charged buyers for personal transfers of firearms, a transaction that should be free.

“We got some complaints from consumers that they were being charged these fees, then we did some sting operations where our agents were overcharged, as well,” Jordan said. “We talked to the owners and advised them that was illegal. They were warned, which is what led to the search warrants being served.”

thefreelibrary.com

Not to mention, the rifles acquired from the store weren’t even used against the perpetrators, according to another source, it was the LAPD’s SWAT who disabled both shooters (one committed suicide, the other bled to death).

432 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 9:52:12am

re: #429 Rightwingconspirator

ATF never really let up on those B & B guys. They kept what screws were available tightened way past the intent of the law. When they went bankrupt (not wholly unrelated) I bought big at least for my humble budget. Some of the employees work at the range I help oversee. Quite a few interesting stories.

Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat forced to back off. Sounds like the ATF was butthurt that the gun shop had fought back instead of groveling and so decided to punish it with layers of excessive investigation and process.

It curves back to an upthread discussion to note that actions like this are why many people hate federal agencies. Most people at such agencies do their jobs the right way, but there are a few ‘little tin god’ bullies and those bullies get more media attention than the decent employees, human nature being what it is.

433 b_sharp  Dec 26, 2014 9:55:37am

Good morning lizards.

We’re back home and they only partially opened her up.

She was on antibiotics all night, but no pain meds the bastards. They pulled the staples and cut open the main incision to drain it, then packed it with antibiotic laced gauze. We have to take her to the clinic every day to have the gauze changed.

She says the pain went from a 6 to a 3 after the incision was drained. Now to see if we can get it to less than 1.

The surgeon told her that what she is going through is very unusual. That doesn’t help.

For the first time in a week I’ve had a full night of sleep knowing she was in good hands at the hospital.

434 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 10:00:08am

re: #431 Timothy Watson

Nice strawman there. Every cop?

Violations of the law… Overcharged some fees. Fees most gun control fans want raised way up anyway. Chuck Michel (disclosure-my attorney on one case where i wanted my CCW) is exactly right, LA City ran the shops out of business and proudly so. Strip club that serves beer? No problem. Gun shop with all the proper licenses? Run for your life. Unfreaking fair and deliberately so. Fan of equal protection under the law? Not if you favor that sort of thing.

So, anyway about the question I actually asked????

435 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:02:57am

re: #434 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks for the retweet, BTW.

436 Timothy Watson  Dec 26, 2014 10:03:19am

re: #434 Rightwingconspirator

Nice strawman there. Every cop?

Violations of the law… Overcharged some fees. Fees most gun control fans want raised way up anyway. Chuck Michel (disclosure-my attorney on one case where i wanted my CCW) is exactly right, LA City ran the shops out of business and proudly so. Strip club that serves beer? No problem. Gun shop with all the proper licenses? Run for your life. Unfreaking fair and deliberately so. Fan of equal protection under the law? Not if you favor that sort of thing.

So, anyway about the question I actually asked????

It’s amazing that the NRA has conditioned its supporters so well the supporters get mad at a government agency when it stops a business from defrauding its customers.

437 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 10:05:47am

re: #433 b_sharp

Good morning lizards.

We’re back home and they only partially opened her up.

She was on antibiotics all night, but no pain meds the bastards. They pulled the staples and cut open the main incision to drain it, then packed it with antibiotic laced gauze. We have to take her to the clinic every day to have the gauze changed.

She says the pain went from a 6 to a 3 after the incision was drained. Now to see if we can get it to less than 1.

The surgeon told her that what she is going through is very unusual. That doesn’t help.

For the first time in a week I’ve had a full night of sleep knowing she was in good hands at the hospital.

{{{b sharp}}}

438 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 10:06:21am

It’s the day after Xmas Gun thread.

439 Ace-o-aces  Dec 26, 2014 10:08:14am
440 Skip Intro  Dec 26, 2014 10:11:27am

re: #438 FemNaziBitch

It’s the day after Xmas Gun thread.

How about a gun porn topic so the rest of us can opt out?

441 b_sharp  Dec 26, 2014 10:11:27am

re: #438 FemNaziBitch

It’s the day after Xmas Gun thread.

That’s why I’m watching one of the Xmen.

442 Snarknado!  Dec 26, 2014 10:11:57am

re: #433 b_sharp

{{{V and b_sharp}}}

I hope the recovery goes smoothly from now on.

443 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:12:19am

re: #431 Timothy Watson

re: #432 Dark_Falcon

re: #434 Rightwingconspirator

We’re not going to agree on this one, simply because we’re beginning from different places. TW, you’re not going to convince we and you are highly unlikely to convince RWC that the gun shop is the party at fault. There’s no conclusive evidence and both of us are quite skeptical of the ATF.

For our part, RWC, we’re not at all likely to bring TW around, because we don’t have anything definitive and he prefers to defend the ATF and fault the gun shop.

It’s cheap and lame to say, but both sides believe what they believe, and nothing short of definitive proof (which will not happen in this case) will resolve the disagreement.

May I suggest we get back to the tactical issues of the North Hollywood shootout, in view of how they are relevant to police weapons? For my part, I apologize for having gone off on a tangent in my #427.

444 b_sharp  Dec 26, 2014 10:12:23am

re: #442 Snarknado!

{{{V and b_sharp}}}

I hope the recovery goes smoothly from now on.

Thank you, so do I.

445 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 10:17:30am

re: #433 b_sharp

Good morning lizards.

We’re back home and they only partially opened her up.

She was on antibiotics all night, but no pain meds the bastards. They pulled the staples and cut open the main incision to drain it, then packed it with antibiotic laced gauze. We have to take her to the clinic every day to have the gauze changed.

She says the pain went from a 6 to a 3 after the incision was drained. Now to see if we can get it to less than 1.

The surgeon told her that what she is going through is very unusual. That doesn’t help.

For the first time in a week I’ve had a full night of sleep knowing she was in good hands at the hospital.

No pain killers??? Must be a medical reason.. But that sucks horribly.

446 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 10:18:06am

re: #436 Timothy Watson

It’s amazing that the NRA has conditioned its supporters so well the supporters get mad at a government agency when it stops a business from defrauding its customers.

Straw man #2, Please stop it.

447 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2014 10:20:35am
448 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 10:22:43am

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

re: #436 Timothy Watson

I got better things to do an my vacation. Typical of a straw man argument poster to also completely lack an answer to an honest question that hews to honest debate on a topic. Guns or whatever. Moving on.

449 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2014 10:23:22am
450 Ace-o-aces  Dec 26, 2014 10:24:59am

wonkette.com

451 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:30:18am

re: #448 Rightwingconspirator

Oh no…

452 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 10:32:54am

re: #447 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

wind?

453 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:34:27am

Memo to Erica Garner: You’re right to see the grand jury letting off the cop who killed your father as a travesty, but doxing his partner and five possible relatives is a rotten thing to do.

454 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2014 10:35:14am

re: #452 FemNaziBitch

wind?

no doubt.

455 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:35:18am

re: #451 Dark_Falcon

Dear Stanley,

What did I do wrong?

Yours,

DF

456 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2014 10:35:38am
457 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 10:35:48am

re: #446 Rightwingconspirator

Straw man #2, Please stop it.

Having been slowly de-conditioned, I have to agree with the poster.

NRA drones are strangely brainwashed.

This past month we get to see friends we’ve missed thruout the year. Most are NRA Conservatives. I was really, I mean really, shocked at the rhetoric I heard —same old stuff without any acknowledgment of known facts.

It was like 911 was yesterday.

458 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 10:36:34am

re: #445 Rightwingconspirator

No pain killers??? Must be a medical reason.. But that sucks horribly.

No pain killers is akin to torture.

Sometimes I really wonder about the medical community.

459 #FergusonFireside  Dec 26, 2014 10:37:30am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Dear Stanley,

What did I do wrong?

Yours,

DF

Accidental. Sorry!

460 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:39:03am

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

But RWC is no NRA drone. He’s been quite critical of the NRA many times ever the last couple years. But his willingness to question and criticize the NRA hasn’t meant he stopped being critical of the ATF.

461 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:39:28am

re: #459 #FergusonFireside

Accidental. Sorry!

Thank you.

462 Dr Lizardo  Dec 26, 2014 10:40:23am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

Hello, D_F; hope you had a good Christmas.

You’re from Chicago, so I wanted to ask you…….ever been out to German Church Road? And if so, what’s it like? Is it as creepy as I’ve heard tell?

Also, what do you think happened to the Grimes sisters? I’d be interested to get a Chicagoan’s take on it.

463 Dark_Falcon  Dec 26, 2014 10:41:55am

re: #462 Dr Lizardo

Hello, D_F; hope you had a good Christmas.

You’re from Chicago, so I wanted to ask you…….ever been out to German Church Road? And if so, what’s it like? Is it as creepy as I’ve heard tell?

Also, what do you think happened to the Grimes sisters? I’d be interested to get a Chicagoan’s take on it.

Sorry, but I’ve never been to German Church Road nor am I familiar with the case you mentioned.

464 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 26, 2014 10:43:11am

Schindler flaunts his knowledge of Russian:

Except… konspiratsiya means simply measures to keep something clandestine (be it identity, information, etc.). Sure, spies use it, but so do the police, criminals, revolutionaries, etc. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with conspiracy theories.

465 Dr Lizardo  Dec 26, 2014 10:46:33am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I’ve never been to German Church Road nor am I familiar with the case you mentioned.

OK.

The murder of the Grimes sisters is sort of Chicago’s answer to the Black Dahlia of Los Angeles…….a long-unsolved homicide.

You can read about it here;

prairieghosts.com

466 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 11:51:43am

RightwingConspirator, you still here?

467 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 11:52:07am

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but I’ve never been to German Church Road nor am I familiar with the case you mentioned.

Same here. Never heard of it.

468 FemNaziBitch  Dec 26, 2014 11:54:42am

re: #460 Dark_Falcon

But RWC is no NRA drone. He’s been quite critical of the NRA many times ever the last couple years. But his willingness to question and criticize the NRA hasn’t meant he stopped being critical of the ATF.

I wasn’t implying that RWC is a drone of any kind. I was trying to back up Timothy Watson. He isn’t the only one here with that opinion.

At one time, I would have also cried “strawman”, but no longer.

469 ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2014 12:29:09pm

re: #433 b_sharp

Good morning lizards.

We’re back home and they only partially opened her up.

She was on antibiotics all night, but no pain meds the bastards. They pulled the staples and cut open the main incision to drain it, then packed it with antibiotic laced gauze. We have to take her to the clinic every day to have the gauze changed.

She says the pain went from a 6 to a 3 after the incision was drained. Now to see if we can get it to less than 1.

The surgeon told her that what she is going through is very unusual. That doesn’t help.

For the first time in a week I’ve had a full night of sleep knowing she was in good hands at the hospital.

Good news! Hopefully they are on the right track to get your wife all fixered up.

Your case reminds me of the son of my old boss. Went in for a hip replacement (44 years old), got infected, turned to MRSA had to go on strong meds for 4 months or so the get infection controlled and then they replaced the original hip joint, which they figured was the problem with the infection. Overall, about 1 full year to get him close to right. Somehow in all the operations, they managed to shorten the length of his replaced hip side leg.

Hospitals scare the hell out of me!

470 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 26, 2014 1:22:56pm

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

Having been slowly de-conditioned, I have to agree with the poster.

NRA drones are strangely brainwashed.

This past month we get to see friends we’ve missed thruout the year. Most are NRA Conservatives. I was really, I mean really, shocked at the rhetoric I heard —same old stuff without any acknowledgment of known facts.

It was like 911 was yesterday.

The straw man part is my implied support. plus the idea that when a rational question is asked, like what the poster might suggest instead, well then it was just wave the NRA issue on a long pole and end the rational part of the discussion and take it down to mere rhetoric. Not worth our time. No down dings or nothin’ just really tired of getting lumped in with an organization i don’t support, criticised many times, and that at best represents 10% of gun owners.

Just not the level of conversation that keeps me at the keyboard.

471 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2014 1:22:58pm

re: #453 Dark_Falcon

Memo to Erica Garner: You’re right to see the grand jury letting off the cop who killed your father as a travesty, but doxing his partner and five possible relatives is a rotten thing to do.

The Daily Mail, not known for accuracy in its own right, quotes New York Post as the source for this nonsense.

Totally believable…NOT.


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