Rand Paul on Trump: "Someone Has to Point Out to the American Public That He's a Fake"

Rand Paul on Trump: “Someone Has to Point Out to the American Public That He’s a Fake”

A poignant cry from the right

PoliticsSeptember 2015 • Views: 54,148

Rand Paul’s campaign is pretty much running on fumes at this point, and this quote almost made me feel sad for him — because he obviously understands he’s being whipped by a creepy charlatan.

Rand tells me re: Trump: “Someone has to bring him down. Someone has to point out to the American public that he’s a fake.”

— Steve Peoples (@sppeoples) September 13, 2015

Of course, some people might point out that Rand Paul is a bit of a creepy charlatan himself. But Donald Trump is the miserable dead end of modern conservatism, and he’s stepping in and leveraging all the hard work people like Rand Paul put into debasing the right wing electorate, without paying for it himself. The conservative base has been primed for a demagogue like Donald Trump for years, and now the GOP establishment can only watch in horror as he makes them all look like fools.

UPDATE at 9/12/15 6:27:42 pm by Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, here’s Trump’s take on Rand’s flailing:

I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, @RandPaul, didn’t get the right gene.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 12, 2015

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416 comments

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:01:10pm

But Donald Trump is the miserable dead end of modern conservatism, and he’s leveraging all the hard work people like Rand Paul put into debasing the right wing electorate.

In other words, Trump is doing what so many corporations do today, in trying to monetize the work someone else has done, without paying them for it.

Charles Johnson Sep 12, 2015 • 6:01:35pm

re: #1 freetoken

In other words, Trump is doing what so many corporations do today, in trying to monetize the work someone else has done, without paying them for it.

Exactly.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:02:12pm

Trump is just a better fake than you are Rand.

jaunte Sep 12, 2015 • 6:03:58pm

Jennifer Rubin, May 30 2015:

How many times has Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., falsely suggested the National Security Agency is listening to the content of millions of phone calls? Before reversing himself, he also gave support to the anti-vaccine hooey. At what point do voters say, “You know, that’s not the mind-set or character of someone who we’d want as president.”
…..snip….
On one level it is amusing, but it is also a sign that social media have made it increasingly easy for charlatans and con men to gain an audience.

Worse, it also debases our political culture, hampers serious debate and further erodes self-governance itself.
dallasnews.com

jaunte Sep 12, 2015 • 6:04:46pm

I don’t think it’s ‘social media’s’ fault.

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:06:25pm

Another one trying to survive the Trump steamroller:

Walker looks to be more ‘aggressive’ at CNN debate

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker is preparing to ditch his Midwestern-nice persona and show a sharper edge at the CNN Republican debate next week.

“I think we’re going to step it up and be more aggressive this time,” Walker told CNN Saturday, in between playing a game of cornhole and meeting tailgaters ahead of Iowa’s biggest football rivalry: the Iowa/Iowa State game.

“I really hope to be aggressive and make the case that we’re ready to wreak havoc on Washington,” Walker added.

[…]

Because that is what Republicans want - havoc in DC.

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:06:54pm

I’m beginning to get the feeling this election is going to have two possible outcomes:

1. A very close race due to incredibly depressed turn out (like the lowest in the modern era)

2. The ultimate test of the crazification factor

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:07:55pm

In an exclusive with Post-Dispatch, #Rand #Paul calls @realDonaldTrump “juvenile” and swaggering teenager. http://t.co/cz3p262dLb

— Chuck Raasch (@craasch) September 13, 2015

In an exclusive interview with the Post-Dispatch this evening, presidential candidate Rand Paul used some of his strongest language yet in attacking GOP rival Donald Trump, calling the real estate mogul “juvenile” and “dangerous” and comparing him to a swaggering teenager.

At one point in the interview, Paul broke into a Trump impersonation, mimicking his throaty New York accent.

“‘Ah, I’m so rich, I’ve got to be smart, look at me, I’m successful,’” said Paul, impersonating Trump.

“It’s like, really? Is that the level of our discourse? I think, ultimately people are going to wake up and say, ‘You know what, we had an infatuation with a celebrity, but now that we know he’s a fake and he’s not really conservative, we’re really not going to have someone as juvenile as that running our country.’”

Skip Intro Sep 12, 2015 • 6:08:41pm

Scotty’s decided not to come to the big GOP hatefest in California, leaving the field open to America’s favorite lunatic preacher, Mike Hucksterbee.

Belafon Sep 12, 2015 • 6:09:23pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah, I’m so rich, I’ve got to be smart, look at me, I’m successful

I’m pretty sure that’s part of the Republican party platform.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:09:34pm

This is pretty funny coming from a huge faker himself.

Charles Johnson Sep 12, 2015 • 6:09:54pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

The smell of desperation is upon him.

Skip Intro Sep 12, 2015 • 6:10:36pm

re: #6 freetoken

I’ve read that Scotty looks like Joel Hodgson playing a moron.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:11:32pm

Donald had to sign a loyalty pledge, time to start asking those jokers if they’ll vote for Trump if he gets the nomination.

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:12:50pm

re: #14 b.d.

Of course they’ll vote for Trump in the general. They’ll also campaign for him… If only for the off chance that he wins and they can get a cabinet gig

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:12:54pm

Rand Paul wants the GOP field to take on Trump more aggressively: “I mean, this is combat, you know?” http://t.co/2JNMQEGJqy

— Sean Sullivan (@WaPoSean) September 13, 2015

thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 6:13:08pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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THUNDERDOME!!!

Skip Intro Sep 12, 2015 • 6:13:27pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It’s like, really”?

Now those sound like the words of a ~~valley girl~~ fount of maturity and wisdom.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:13:32pm

I think this is hilarious since these guys have all poisoned the level of discourse themselves. Has Rand forgotten when his supporters stomped on a woman? Has Bobby forgotten that he threatened the POTUS not to talk about Climate Change at the Katrina anniversary ceremony? I mean these guys do have legitimate criticisms of Trump but it’s just so hollow coming from them. Trump is the result of what professional politicians like Paul and Jindal have been doing to the GOP base for years. They’re just angry because the base likes him and not them.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:14:03pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I missed where you were being shot at Rand.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:14:03pm

Hey GOP field, if you can’t beat Trump how are you going to beat ISIS?

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:14:37pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I missed where you were being shot at Rand.

It’s as close as he’s ever gotten.

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:14:58pm

Another wannabe:

Carly Fiorina: Trump’s an ‘Entertainer,’ I’m a ‘Leader’

Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina Saturday responded further to Donald Trump’s recent derisive comments about her appearance in response to a question about the businessman’s contributions to the level of discourse in the 2016 presidential race.

“I think Donald Trump is an entertainer. And I think I am a leader,” she told reporters after speaking to a crowd at the Strafford County BBQ & Beer Bash in Dover, New Hampshire. “What I do is talk to the American people about the issues that I care about and I think they hear what I’m talking about.”

She confirmed that she does not plan on asking Trump to apologize for his comments because “there’s a long line of people asking him to apologize.”

[…]

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:15:32pm

re: #22 b.d.

Rand strikes me as an 82nd Chairborne vet

The Ghost of a Flea Sep 12, 2015 • 6:15:41pm

Trump isn’t some kind of astounding aberration from what’s been sold to the electorate for years: hyperbole, empty bellicosity, and prominent streak of anti-intellectualism that is nonetheless elitist.

Donald Trump is not the pusher-man who got your base hooked on bullshit. He”s just developed a more efficient delivery method for a purer product.

And your tracked-up regulars fucking love it.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:16:13pm

Trump appeared bothered today by the attention Carson and Fiorina are getting. “What about me? I’m leading.” http://t.co/2GFImdMhNg

— Sean Sullivan (@WaPoSean) September 13, 2015

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:16:20pm

re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea

So, Trump is Heisenberg?

William Lewis Sep 12, 2015 • 6:16:59pm

re: #6 freetoken

Because all professional politician Walker knows how to do is destroy. He couldn’t create something if his life depended upon it.

Skip Intro Sep 12, 2015 • 6:17:19pm

“I mean, this is combat, you know?” Paul said. “

For the love of God, Rand, just STFU.

CuriousLurker Sep 12, 2015 • 6:19:11pm

ZOMG, the Islamization of Apple!!

I sooooo hope Geller has an iPhone:

Apple iOS 9.1 Will Add Mosque, Synagogue, Kaaba & Menorah Icons For The Faithful http://t.co/jYykTAk3kN #RWNJ freak out in 5… 4… 3…

— CuriousLurker (@CuriousLurker) September 13, 2015

Muslim, Jewish Emoji: Apple iOS 9.1 Will Add Mosque, Synagogue, Kaaba And Menorah Icons For The Faithful

Among highly anticipated new emojis like the taco and unicorn, the faithful will also have more to choose from. The new release includes a synagogue, a mosque and even the Kaaba, the black cubical structure in Mecca that serves as Islam’s most famous and significant house of God.

There will also a be a Jewish menorah with nine branches, prayer beads, and a generic symbol of a person on his knees, signifying a place of worship. There had long been several Christian church emojis to choose from. […]

dholmes32 Sep 12, 2015 • 6:19:21pm

re: #7 KGxvi

I’m beginning to get the feeling this election is going to have two possible outcomes:

1. A very close race due to incredibly depressed turn out (like the lowest in the modern era)

Or

2. The ultimate test of the crazification factor

My on-again, off-again boyfriend (currently off-again) is convinced that Trump will flame out and pass his followers on to Ted Cruz.

One reason my boyfriend is “off-again” is because he doesn’t like to hear my response, which is, “yay, the return of the religious wars in Europe, this time imported to America!” He also doesn’t like to hear me talk about leaving the country. And yes, I have talked about leaving the country, because Ted and his dad Rafael have some very radical religious beliefs. It would be an uncomfortable time, even with the checks and balances.

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:20:20pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

I like how his “Make America Great Again” cap is using a camo-pattern cloth.

Trump’s people have researched wingnut America well.

CuriousLurker Sep 12, 2015 • 6:20:48pm

re: #30 CuriousLurker

And on that happy note, I’m out for the night.

Later, lizards.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:20:48pm

re: #30 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, the Islamization of Apple!!

I sooooo hope Geller has an iPhone:

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What about the devilworshipping Hook ‘em Horns sign that is now on there too?

FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:21:26pm

re: #24 KGxvi

Rand strikes me as an 82nd Chairborne vet

PhillyPretzel Sep 12, 2015 • 6:22:06pm

re: #34 b.d.

You can have your “hook’em horns” and I will have my LaSalle Explorer. okay?

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:22:51pm

re: #30 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, the Islamization of Apple!!

I sooooo hope Geller has an iPhone:

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Sharmoji law?

dholmes32 Sep 12, 2015 • 6:23:09pm

re: #34 b.d.

What about the devilworshipping Hook ‘em Horns sign that is now on there too?

Before it was the horns of the devil, it was the sign of the University of Texas Longhorns. I knew that use of it well before I became a metalhead.

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:23:12pm

.@RandPaul slams GOP rivals for lacking consistency. http://t.co/o06ZcTXb8l #IAcaucus

— Des Moines Register (@DMRegister) September 13, 2015

Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul stressed his conservative principles and his desire to enforce all ten of the amendments in the Bill of Rights at three stops Saturday morning.

The Kentucky senator offered a slew of attacks for his political rivals vying for the same nomination, alleging that they have been unwilling to deliver on all the same principles.

Speaking of Gov. Jeb Bush, Paul accused his father and brother of failing to scale back the size of government, citing President George H.W. Bush’s increase of taxes in 1991 and President George W. Bush’s support for the Iraq War, which brought about a surge in military spending and a supposed softening of Fourth Amendment rights as a means of countering terrorism.

At a stop in Marshalltown, Paul pointed to Trump’s support for eminent domain as a means of suggesting his platform lacks any constitutional inspiration.

“That’s his business model, and he’s also said he supports the Supreme Court decision that allowed that. There’s nothing really conservative about that so I continue to tell people that I think he’s a fake conservative,” Paul asserted of Trump’s use of eminent domain while in the private sector.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:23:20pm

re: #32 freetoken

I like how his “Make America Great Again” cap is using a camo-pattern cloth.

Trump’s people have researched wingnut America well.

Trump is holding a rally in Dallas on Monday at the American Airlines Center (where the Dallas Mavericks and the Dallas Stars play)

It’s sold out. (free passes and they’re selling them on Craigist)

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:23:47pm

re: #32 freetoken

I like how his “Make America Great Again” cap is using a camo-pattern cloth.

Trump’s people have researched wingnut America well.

It’s going to be interesting to see how he does with the Jesus talk. Some people myself included think that may be his undoing with the GOP primary electorate.

nines09 Sep 12, 2015 • 6:24:03pm

Someone should find a big life sized cardboard cutout of Rand, and put a cartoon balloon over his cardboard head saying “HE’S FAKE!”

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:24:38pm

This one caught my eye:

I truly understood the appeal of Ron Paul, but his son, @RandPaul, didn’t get the right gene.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 12, 2015

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:25:17pm

re: #38 dholmes32

Before it was the horns of the devil, it was the sign of the University of Texas Longhorns. I knew that use of it well before I became a metalhead.

If Texas gets beats by Rice tonight (21-14 Texas, 2nd Quarter) being a devil worshiper may be more popular.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:25:21pm

re: #43 freetoken

This one caught my eye:

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Ouch.

PhillyPretzel Sep 12, 2015 • 6:25:37pm

re: #43 freetoken

Which one? The “X” or the “Y”

jaunte Sep 12, 2015 • 6:25:59pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

@RandPaul slams GOP rivals for lacking consistency.

Rand Paul Has His Own History of Flip-Flops
nbcnews.com

Belafon Sep 12, 2015 • 6:26:19pm

re: #46 PhillyPretzel

Which one? The “X” or the “Y”

Simmons.

nines09 Sep 12, 2015 • 6:26:25pm

Donald Trump on Jesus; “He’s GREAT. Really nice guy. Cleans my pool at my mansion in Palm Beach!”

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:26:40pm

re: #47 jaunte

Rand Paul Has His Own History of Flip-Flops
nbcnews.com

Rand can flip flop several times in a single day.

PhillyPretzel Sep 12, 2015 • 6:26:59pm

re: #48 Belafon

lol

The Ghost of a Flea Sep 12, 2015 • 6:27:21pm

re: #27 KGxvi

So, Trump is Heisenberg?

Tyrone Biggums

Dave Chappelle - Red Balls Sketch

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:27:31pm

re: #31 dholmes32

I’ve contemplated the ex-pat move too. And it really is because I’m not sure there’s any potential general election match up that makes me feel good about the future.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:27:34pm

re: #47 jaunte

Rand Paul Has His Own History of Flip-Flops
nbcnews.com

Yep and I expect Trump to hit back with that. Trump may be a meathead but he’s wealthy enough to have researchers that will tell him that his rivals aren’t exactly consistent either. Rand especially, one minute he wants to be the darling of his father’s wing of the party and the other he wants to be just another GOP hawk.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:28:09pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rand can flip flop several times in a single day.

Rand bought his flip flops at the same store that Mitt Romney did.

PhillyPretzel Sep 12, 2015 • 6:28:59pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

And they were on sale too. lol

thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 6:29:25pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Rand bought his flip flops at the same store that Mitt Romney did.

Wal-Mart?

/half, because Mitt Romney would never even approach the doors of a Wal-Mart

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:29:48pm

re: #56 PhillyPretzel

And they were on sale too. lol

If you look closely, you can see the Romney for President sticker that Mitt left in there.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:30:55pm

re: #57 thedopefishlives

Wal-Mart?

/half, because Mitt Romney would never even approach the doors of a Wal-Mart

Nah Wingnuts R Us. They sell everything from guns to pose with for photo ops to make yourself look like you know guns to Bibles to make yourself appear pious. It’s somewhere between Iowa and New Hampshire.

teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 6:31:43pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul stressed his conservative principles and his desire to enforce all ten of the amendments in the Bill of Rights at three stops Saturday morning.

I didn’t know quartering soldiers was a problem.

jaunte Sep 12, 2015 • 6:32:15pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

Jade Helm!!!

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:32:42pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

I didn’t know quartering soldiers was a problem.

Ha!

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:33:50pm

Is Rand wearing a new rug by the way? He looks blonder than usual.

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:34:26pm

re: #60 teleskiguy

That won’t last past the first time someone points out that things like abortion rights and gay marriage are easily defensible positions based on the text of the ninth amendment

thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 6:34:40pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Is Rand wearing a new rug by the way? He looks blonder than usual.

He’s taking the Trump approach. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, all that jazz.

FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:34:43pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Is Rand wearing a new rug by the way? He looks blonder than usual.

got his tips frosted

Backwoods_Sleuth Sep 12, 2015 • 6:35:02pm

re: #56 PhillyPretzel

And they were on sale too. lol

And you can probably get a personally autographed pair at his campaign store!

The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 12, 2015 • 6:35:18pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And yet they’re all for Canadians eminent-domaining the US from border to Gulf just to shift oil from Alberta to overseas….

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:35:24pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

got his tips frosted

Oh that means it’s 2004 again right.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:36:39pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

And you can probably get a personally autographed pair at his campaign store!

It still amazes me that he sells signed autograph baseballs for a higher price than a signed baseball by someone worth a damn.

gocart mozart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:38:49pm

@BobbyJindal @realDonaldTrump “LOOKAT ME, I’M BOBBY JINDAL DAMNIT I CAN BE AS CRAZY AS TRUMP WHY WON’T ANYONE PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!”
— gocartmozart(@attymix1) September 13, 2015

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:39:09pm

re: #24 KGxvi

Rand strikes me as an 82nd Chairborne vet

Available at the Rand store.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:40:47pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Rand bought his flip flops at the same store that Mitt Romney did.

Rand’s are custom made

KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 6:40:58pm

re: #72 b.d.

Ok, I’m just going to go ahead and start packing for Belize or Costa Rica now.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:41:28pm

re: #73 b.d.

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You gotta be shitting me.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:42:12pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

You gotta be shitting me.

Nope

teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 6:42:38pm

I think the talk of expatriating - on both sides of the aisle - is silly.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:44:02pm

re: #76 b.d.

Nope

Nah I knew they were real but man campaign gear flip flops? I mean I get things like shot glasses and heh I actually once did a shot from Romney for president shotty.

FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:44:20pm

Let’s play a game.
What in this tweet do you find most troubling?

3 inmates dead, 5 injured in ‘disturbance’ at Cushing, Okla., correctional facility, company says - @JonathanMcCall http://t.co/hjMWp788PA

— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) September 13, 2015

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:44:42pm

re: #77 teleskiguy

I think the talk of expatriating - on both sides of the aisle - is silly.

It’s always a bit over the top. However, with someone like Trump I understand it especially if you’re an immigrant already.

nines09 Sep 12, 2015 • 6:45:26pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

The word company.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:45:28pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

Let’s play a game.
What in this tweet do you find most troubling?

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Company says

teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 6:46:05pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

Let’s play a game.
What in this tweet do you find most troubling?

The prison is privately owned?

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:47:28pm

re: #83 teleskiguy

The prison is privately owned?

It would appear so, “Company says.” I think these private prisons should be done away with entirely. A for profit prison just sounds like something from the worst dystopia. And after reading about what happened in Luzrene County, Pennsylvania with those two crooked judges, I think that opinion is justified.

The Ghost of a Flea Sep 12, 2015 • 6:47:38pm

The hilarious thing about Trump campaign is it’s the Emperor’s New Clothes of GOP internal politics. Much time and energy into gussying up and justifying the various vices and -isms of appealing to the base, making them sound like “serious” policy. You can’t look at a transcript of a Trump interview or Q&A and claim he’s focused or on point. He’s a full-on patent medicine salesman, all gleaming generalities, big emotions, and theatrical contempt for the “losers” that question. He routinely says nothing.

Even if—and personally, I think its when—Trump quits, the success of his performance demonstrates something about the bloc that likes him: that you can’t put a merkin on their utter credulousness and pretend that there’s some deep, thoughtful undercurrent that’s driving their anger and acting-out.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:49:19pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

The hilarious thing about Trump campaign is it’s the Emperor’s New Clothes of GOP internal politics. Much time and energy into gussying up and justifying the various vices and -isms of appealing to the base, making them sound like “serious” policy. You can’t look at a transcript of a Trump interview or Q&A and claim he’s focused or on point. He’s a full-on patent medicine salesman, all gleaming generalities, big emotions, and theatrical contempt for the “losers” that question. He routinely says nothing.

Even if—and personally, I think its when—Trump quits, the success of his performance demonstrates something about the bloc that likes him: that you can’t put a merkin on their utter credulousness and pretend that there’s some deep, thoughtful undercurrent that’s driving their anger and acting-out.

Yeah I think Trump’s popularity says a lot about the GOP base. The establishment has to be wondering about the monster they’ve created. But they’ve always known this. Bush’s re-election was boosted by the state GOPs putting anti-gay marriage referendums on the ballot to get out the Fundie base to vote for so they know that hatred sells to their base.

gocart mozart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:51:27pm

@realDonaldTrump my grandpa’s also gonnavote for the first time in decades for you. here’s the last time he voted. pic.twitter.com/FRAhegK6Wu

— graham hobgood(@soft_btw) September 12, 2015

FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:52:30pm

re: #81 nines09

The word company.

re: #82 b.d.

Company says

DING, DING, DING
Company
Even if you’ve contracted out services, if someone is dead the damn State better be briefing the damn press about the situation

re: #83 teleskiguy

The prison is privately owned?

I googled, yes, CCA, Corrections Corporation of America

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:53:08pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

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Okay, I doubt he’ll fall for that but I laughed out loud when he did retweet the photo of Fred and Rosemary West (British serial killer couple). And then he got mad and threatened to sue.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:53:32pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart

DING, DING, DING
Company
Even if you’ve contracted out services, if someone is dead the damn State better be briefing the damn press about the situation

I googled, yes, CCA, Corrections Corporation of America

Prison Industrial Complex. Egads.

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 6:53:32pm

re: #88 FormerDirtDart

Do Oklahomans care?

stpaulbear Sep 12, 2015 • 6:56:17pm

Scott Walker is a big fan of private prisons.

Edit: One link of many from a google search.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 6:57:15pm

re: #92 stpaulbear

Scott Walker is a big fan of private prisons.

That does not surprise me at all.

b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 6:57:38pm

re: #92 stpaulbear

Scott Walker is a big fan of private prisons.

He might end up in one.

//?

William Lewis Sep 12, 2015 • 6:58:16pm

re: #94 b.d.

He might end up in one.

//?

From your lips to God’s ears.

gocart mozart Sep 12, 2015 • 6:59:55pm

@realDonaldTrump Go Donald! I’ve named my baby after you. pic.twitter.com/6YTo5eMTwd

— paulusthewoodgnome(@woodgnomology) September 12, 2015

Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 12, 2015 • 7:01:09pm

re: #33 CuriousLurker

I replied back in the Shah thread two doors down.

HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 7:01:10pm

re: #94 b.d.

He might end up in one.

//?

I believe the term is poetic justice.

Amory Blaine Sep 12, 2015 • 7:03:14pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The smell of desperation is upon him.

It stings the nostrils.

100

freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 7:03:28pm

Why Russians Hate America. Again.

[…]

Intellectuals pointed me to books on Berlin in the 1920s and the concept of “ressentiment,” a philosophical term that describes a simmering resentment and sense of victimization arising out of envy of a perceived enemy. It often has its roots in a culture’s feeling of impotence. In Berlin in the early 20th century, it helped explain the rise of German fascism. In Russia in August, it seemed to have many targets: Ukraine, gay people, European dairy products and above all the United States.

“America stuffs its democracy in our face,” bellowed a cabdriver named Kostya in the city of Nizhny Novgorod. (His main beef was with the “propaganda of pederasts,” using a derogatory word used to describe homosexuals, a few weeks after the Supreme Court’s approval of gay marriage.) “If you’re saying yes, yes, yes, all the time and nodding your head, well sometimes you have to say no,” he said, explaining that Russia had finally stood up to the United States.

[…]

“Ressentiment” also describes well wingnut America and the current GOP political circus.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 7:05:08pm

re: #99 Amory Blaine

It stings the nostrils.

That smells like pure gasoline.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 7:11:13pm

re: #87 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Lest we forget what started off the whole “watch what dumb-ass Trump re-tweets” thing

If you don’t know, that’s good old Cpt. Jeffery MacDonald.
And if you don’t know who he is, I’ll let you google it

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 7:12:01pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

Lest we forget what started off the whole “watch what dumb-ass Trump re-tweets” thing

Embedded Image

Okay I plead ignorance here.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 7:13:11pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Okay I plead ignorance here.

~~Lt. Calley, My Lai massacre.~~ I stand corrected by FormerDirtDart in #105.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 7:13:34pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Okay I plead ignorance here.

I added an edit:
If you don’t know, that’s good old Cpt. Jeffery MacDonald.
And if you don’t know who he is, I’ll let you google it

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nines09 Sep 12, 2015 • 7:13:42pm

re: #96 gocart mozart

Maybe Donald can give that child some comb over tips?

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freetoken Sep 12, 2015 • 7:18:38pm

Not noticed by many but is part of the big picture:

US oil output to collapse next year on low prices - IEA

Lower oil prices will force non-Opec producers including the US to cut output by the steepest rate in more than two decades next year, rebalancing an oversupplied oil market, the International Energy Agency said yesterday.

The IEA, which advises the world’s biggest economies on energy policy, said global oil demand was poised to climb to a five-year high this year thanks to lower prices.

[…]

The report is one of the most bullish for Opec since the group shocked markets last year by deciding against cutting production, choosing to fight for market share and depress the output of higher-cost producers such as the US.

[…]

“Oil’s price collapse is closing down high-cost production from Eagle Ford in Texas to Russia and the North Sea, which may result in the loss next year of half a million barrels a day - the biggest decline in 24 years.”

The projected drop in output would be the largest since 1992, when non-Opec supply contracted by one million barrels per day (bpd) from the previous year, with the collapse of the former Soviet Union.

[…]

The IEA said it now expected US light, tight oil production to shrink by 0.4 million bpd next year after expanding by a record 1.7 million bpd in 2014.

[…]

Before the market rebalances in the second half of 2016, global inventories - already at record levels - will continue to grow and put further pressure on oil prices.

And by the time markets begin to rebalance, Iranian oil could return in big volumes if sanctions are lifted. Iran’s crude exports have fallen from roughly 2.2 million bpd at the start of 2012 to around one million bpd in August.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge Sep 12, 2015 • 7:19:08pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

I added an edit:
If you don’t know, that’s good old Cpt. Jeffery MacDonald.
And if you don’t know who he is, I’ll let you google it

“Acid is groovy!”

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gocart mozart Sep 12, 2015 • 7:20:13pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

Jeffrey Robert MacDonald (born October 12, 1943) is an American convicted in 1979 for the murders of his pregnant wife and two daughters in February 1970. At the time of the murders, MacDonald was a U.S. Army officer (Special Forces Green Beret), medical doctor, and practicing physician. MacDonald maintains that a group of Charles Manson-type hippies committed the crimes and has filed several unsuccessful appeals attempting to overturn his convictions.

What’s up with making me look things up myself with the Google? Good thing I’m not a conservative so my religious beliefs did not prohibit me doing it.

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nines09 Sep 12, 2015 • 7:20:30pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

My grandfather says you remind him of his hero. He’s going to vote for you if it kills him.

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Belafon Sep 12, 2015 • 7:22:15pm

re: #107 freetoken

A gas station here in North Texas has gas for $1.79. That’s the lowest, but even the median price is now $1.93.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 7:27:40pm

Gas & Grass: Could buying weed at the gas station be the next big thing in Colorado? http://t.co/dAbsPMSvP5

— 7NEWS Denver Channel (@DenverChannel) September 13, 2015

Gives a nice literal meaning of the phrase “Ass, Gas, or Grass - Nobody rides for free.”

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BongCrodny Sep 12, 2015 • 7:32:54pm

Letters to Donald, Part 6:

September 12, 2015
His Holyness Dr. Donald Trump
New York, NY

Dear Dr. Trump:

I’m writing this time because I had yet another brilliant idea for your campaign (you get the benefit of not only my innermost thoughts, but also my outermost and middlemost thoughts as well!).

You were all over the TV this week with your wonderful “winning” quote where you said “We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with winning.” I don’t know why anybody thinks you need to have detailed plans when you can come up with stuff like that off the top of your head!

Anyway, I had this idea that goes hand-in-hand with your winning quote, but I’m sure you are probably way, way ahead of me on this one. You may remember that I originally suggested that Sarah Palin be your Vice President, but on reflection I’m not so sure that’s a good idea. “Bristol’s mom has got it going on,” if you get my drift. Although I would certainly welcome it, I think the country may not be quite ready for a little “Trumpalin” in the White House. We wouldn’t want to make Mrs. Trump mad!

So my idea is this: Who better a Vice Presidential choice to drive across your “so much winning” quote than the original “winning” quotester? You know who I’m talking about: That’s right, Mr. Hollywood legend himself, Charlie Sheen!

I firmly believe that if you examine ALL the evidence, you’ll reach the same conclusion I did: Charlie Sheen can deliver not one, not two, but THREE important voting blocs: 1) Women; 2) Latinos; and 3) Drunks.

You really only need to keep a tight lid on him until the election—if he overdoses after that, you can probably hire back that guy you’re always firing. Hey, I’ll bet that’s where you perfected your famous “YOUR FIIIIIIIIRED!” quote!

I was also thinking that you might get Trump University involved in some sort of Voter Outreach Program, voter education program, something like that where people can get informed of the really important issues of the day, like immigration and Tom Brady. I’ll bet the faculty at ol’ TU would be champing at the bit to get a piece of that action! (Speaking of which, I went to your web site to register for classes but I got something called the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative instead. I’m not sure, but it sounds to me like someone is trying to steal your thunder, so you might want to keep a watchful eye on that. It sounds like a Big Bang Theory episode! “The Doofus Loofus Experiment,” or “The Invertebrate Potato Conundrum” or “The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative.” I’d almost say it was a few nonsensical words randomly grouped together in order to convey something meaningful if it wasn’t YOU we were talking about!)

Respectfully,

Bong J. Crodny
Your #2 Fan
P.S. - Vote Donald — and think “V.D.!”

P.S.S. Here’s another great idea. When you get elected and take possession of the White House, you should issue one of those proclamations changing the address of your magnificence. “One Billion Pennsylvania Street” is more appropriate for someone of your stature, wouldn’t you agree?

P.S.S.S. You don’t have to pay me for that one, either.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 7:44:34pm

re: #92 stpaulbear

Scott Walker is a big fan of private prisons.

Edit: One link of many from a google search.

All conservatives are. Show me one who has said one peep about it.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 7:45:19pm

re: #27 KGxvi

So, Trump is Heisenberg?

He’s one of the people who would employ Walter White / Heisenberg. Donald Trump lacks White’s ability to take pains and if he tried to make Heisenberg’s blue crystal meth he’d most likely succeed in blowing himself up.

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Blind Frog Belly White Sep 12, 2015 • 7:49:48pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

He’s one of the people who would employ Walter White / Heisenberg. Donald Trump lacks White’s ability to take pains and if he tried to make Heisenberg’s blue crystal meth he’d most likely succeed in blowing himself up.

Trump would employ a substandard Meth chemist, then tell everyone his meth is total quality, Heisenberg’s blue meth is substandard, and Heisenberg is a dummy and a loser.

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The War TARDIS Sep 12, 2015 • 7:51:30pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Almost done with my page on the connections between Final Fantasy VIII, and Doctor Who in terms of thematic elements, and how that changes Final Fantasy VIII.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 7:52:24pm

re: #102 FormerDirtDart

Lest we forget what started off the whole “watch what dumb-ass Trump re-tweets” thing

[Embedded content]

If you don’t know, that’s good old Cpt. Jeffery MacDonald.
And if you don’t know who he is, I’ll let you google it

That isn’t the first time Trump’s been associated with a military picture that wasn’t properly vetted. Back in July Trumps campaign put up a composite image which featured a sub-image of soldiers marching. Only they were WWII reenactors, not soldiers. And worse, the unit they were portraying was the 1st SS Panzer Division.

Donald Trump’s campaign needs to vet its images better.

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KGxvi Sep 12, 2015 • 7:53:17pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

i suppose that makes sense, I’m still working my way through the series on netflix… somewhere in the middle of season four at the moment.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 7:55:00pm

Official theme song of the 2016 Republican presidential primary.

NoFX - Idiots Are Taking Over

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The War TARDIS Sep 12, 2015 • 8:00:33pm

re: #117 The War TARDIS

I should also note that, I have heard a new theory about Final Fantasy VII.

Essentially, that Rufus Shinra was helping the heroes, at least to some extent during the game.

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Charles Johnson Sep 12, 2015 • 8:04:40pm

No, Dan. No. http://t.co/8RHGcg12ev When you come at a sitting president, you make sure you have it. You did not. pic.twitter.com/7JRG6iLC5y

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) September 13, 2015

@jayrosen_nyu This is very disturbing. Hollywood is preparing to revise history.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 13, 2015

@Green_Footballs Certainly seems that way. In a way it’s Hollywood vs. journalism, as well as history.

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) September 13, 2015

@jayrosen_nyu Nobody from this production tried to contact me about this. They’re not even interested in the truth.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 13, 2015

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thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 8:05:45pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Oh, Jesus. Is he STILL butthurt over that? Dan. You were wrong. Get over it.

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Charles Johnson Sep 12, 2015 • 8:07:18pm

@jayrosen_nyu I hope you’re right.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) September 13, 2015

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:09:12pm

re: #123 thedopefishlives

Oh, Jesus. Is he STILL butthurt over that? Dan. You were wrong. Get over it.

It looks like instead Hollywood is going to go for a movie that will make some smug people on the left feel good, make liberals who actually care about the facts cry, and greatly reinforce conservative feelings about the ‘liberal media’.

Yes, it seems an EPIC FAIL is in progress.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 8:09:25pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t the first time Trump’s been associated with a military picture that wasn’t properly vetted. Back in July Trumps campaign put up a composite image which featured a sub-image of soldiers marching. Only they were WWII reenactors, not soldiers. And worse, the unit they were portraying was the 1st SS Panzer Division.

Donald Trump’s campaign needs to vet its images better.

I tend not to get worked up by campaigns screwing up usage of stock images. They all screw up.
And, let’s face it, WWII German helmets look very similar the helmets US troops have worn for nearly three and a half decades. So, you can kind of understand the mistake not jumping out at whoever looked at to approve it.

Now, simply re-tweeting images just ain’t smart to me. I mean, who the hell takes strangers for granted on social media??
Google image search is your friend

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thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 8:10:47pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

It looks like instead Hollywood is going to go for a movie that will make some smug people on the left feel good, make liberals who actually care about the facts cry, and greatly reinforce conservative feelings about the ‘liberal media’.

Yes, it seems an EPIC FAIL is in progress.

In other words, SOP for Hollywood. The only thing they’ve managed to get even halfway right is superhero movies, and even those have had as many flops as mega-hits (see: the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four reboots).

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gocart mozart Sep 12, 2015 • 8:10:59pm

Donald Trump DESTROYED By President Obama

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:11:54pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart

I tend not to get worked up by campaigns screwing up usage of stock images. They all screw up.
And, let’s face it, WWII German helmets look very similar the helmets US troops have worn for nearly three and a half decades. So, you can kind of understand the mistake not jumping out at whoever looked at to approve it.

Now, simply re-tweeting images just ain’t smart to me. I mean, who the hell takes strangers for granted on social media??
Google image search is your friend

But SS reenactors? That’s still a substantial screwup in my eyes.

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thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 8:12:54pm

I bet Dan Rather will have the words, “I was right, Bush was AWOL” inscribed on his tombstone. I don’t know exactly why he is doubling down on his story, but hey, if that’s the hill he wants to die on, we have plenty of ammunition.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 8:16:37pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

Donald Trump DESTROYED By President Obama

Video

Yeah, Trump definitely doesn’t seem to be enjoying that, at all

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:20:51pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

In other words, SOP for Hollywood. The only thing they’ve managed to get even halfway right is superhero movies, and even those have had as many flops as mega-hits (see: the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four reboots).

It’s also an attempt to build a legend of having “stood bravely in the face of the Tyrant Fool Bush”. Because those making this piece of crud seem to think that admitting Dan Rather bought into a fake story because he wanted it to be true and hoped to would help defeat George W. Bush would be like saying they all supported carpet bombing Iraq.

And call Dan Rather ‘Pharaoh’, because he’s the King of Denial!

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b.d. Sep 12, 2015 • 8:21:34pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Video

I think that is the moment that Trump decided that he was going to be president.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:21:56pm

re: #130 thedopefishlives

I bet Dan Rather will have the words, “I was right, Bush was AWOL” inscribed on his tombstone. I don’t know exactly why he is doubling down on his story, but hey, if that’s the hill he wants to die on, we have plenty of ammunition.

And we’ve got the hill zeroed in thanks to our evil drones.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 8:22:20pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

But SS reenactors? That’s still a substantial screwup in my eyes.

Nah, just nonsense, to dwell on some staffer’s screw-up is just pointless. It was noted, time to move on

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Belafon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:23:08pm

I got to see the Andromeda Galaxy with my telescope. There’s enough light pollution that it’s more of a gray smear that gets brighter toward the center. But even then, you can tell it’s huge. There’s a smaller galaxy nearby.

In four weeks, with it higher in the sky and the moon roughly the same phase, I’m going to find a darker area. Hopefully I can get a picture then.

I wish I had the deluminator from Harry Potter, or a way to trip the breaker in my neighborhood.

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thedopefishlives Sep 12, 2015 • 8:26:01pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

And we’ve got the hill zeroed in thanks to our evil drones.

I did always want to be an artilleryman.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:27:28pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart

Nah, just nonsense, to dwell on some staffer’s screw-up is just pointless. It was noted, time to move on

That’s not acceptable to me. I at least want that staffer shot pour encourager les autres.

//entirely kidding, and I take your point.

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Jenner7 Sep 12, 2015 • 8:31:12pm

Lawmakers Who Hailed 9/11 Heroes Still Shun Bill To Help Them

The old law to help those responders passed nearly five years ago. It begins expiring next month, yet legislation to extend that aid remains stuck in Congress. More than a dozen lawmakers threw their support behind the bill over the last week, but that brings the numbers to only 145 out of 435 House members and 37 of 100 senators.

That’s far fewer than the majority required to pass a long-term version of the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, and head off interruptions in care to more than 33,000 ill 9/11 responders around the country.

Yet many of the legislators who wrapped themselves in declarations of “Never Forget” on the Friday anniversary are among those who have not backed the bill, or even voted against the original measure.

huffingtonpost.com

Shame.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 12, 2015 • 8:32:51pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

That’s not acceptable to me. I at least want that staffer shot pour encourager les autres.

//entirely kidding, and I take your point.

I mean, if you’re looking for things to say “WTF is this crap from the Trump campaign”, hell, talk about that BS folder of “polling information” that they handed out at a press conference a week or so ago, that was nothing but screen-grabs from different networks programming. half of which Trump’s people misrepresented as positive.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 8:33:19pm

re: #136 Belafon

Where are you located?

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 8:39:11pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

I added an edit:
If you don’t know, that’s good old Cpt. Jeffery MacDonald.
And if you don’t know who he is, I’ll let you google it

I do yeah.

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Jenner7 Sep 12, 2015 • 8:39:44pm

Donald Trump Interviews Himself In the Mirror, The Tonight Show. Holy shit, Jimmy Fallon’s wall idea is even better than Trumps! lololol

Video

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Belafon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:47:21pm

re: #141 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Rockwall, TX, an eastern suburb of Dallas.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 8:56:13pm

re: #143 Jenner7

Donald Trump Interviews Himself In the Mirror, The Tonight Show. Holy shit, Jimmy Fallon’s wall idea is even better than Trumps! lololol

[Embedded content]

It’s fun and funny. Though unlike with some other people who get hit for their ego, Trump is in on the gag in this one.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:00:18pm

OK, now I know that Stanley Sea doesn’t like the band NOFX, or she doesn’t believe that the GOP are populated by idiots and they’re taking over. Noted.

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blueraven Sep 12, 2015 • 9:06:28pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

OK, now I know that Stanley Sea doesn’t like the band NOFX, or she doesn’t believe that the GOP are populated by idiots and they’re taking over. Noted.

Or…mistake. Which is more probable.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:07:35pm

re: #128 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Video

And there it is. He needs to make America great again, to that place where he’s not the butt of the joke.

Come on Donald, we’ll be kind.

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 12, 2015 • 9:08:53pm

re: #139 Jenner7

Are you fucking kidding me? If there is one bill I would think could pass without partisan bullshit this would be it.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:09:06pm

Strange math secret discovered regarding Pi. The truth will set you free. pic.twitter.com/Y4IvySeeGH

— Cliff Pickover (@pickover) September 13, 2015

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blueraven Sep 12, 2015 • 9:11:08pm

Good grief. Tom is being an ass tonight (again) fighting with everyone over this tweet.
He sounds like an entitled jerk.

Dear Every Cashier in America: the proper response to “thank you” is “you’re welcome,” not “no problem.” And *you’re* supposed to thank *me*
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) September 13, 2015

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 12, 2015 • 9:11:25pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

I wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not. Interestingly it was Mapes’ book, which I picked up at a dollar store, that led me to LGF in the first place.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:11:25pm

re: #144 Belafon

Lovely countryside. Drove from San Antonio to Dallas once. Not through your neighborhood I guess, but I’m a sucker for scenery.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 12, 2015 • 9:11:55pm

re: #149 Eclectic Cyborg

Are you fucking kidding me? If there is one bill I would think could pass without partisan bullshit this would be it.

The breakdown isn’t wholly partisan as 6 Republican senators are supporting it and 13 Democratic senators are not. Most likely it a case of senators wanting something to support the bill.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:14:34pm

re: #147 blueraven

Or…mistake. Which is more probable.

Doesn’t appear so.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:15:09pm

Note to self: Don’t post NOFX songs anymore.

:-(

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:15:40pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

I wish I could say I’m surprised but I’m not. Interestingly it was Mapes’ book, which I picked up at a dollar store, that led me to LGF in the first place.

I was a regular reader of Attytood on philly.com. On the right hand margin was a list of blogs separated into various categories, and LGF was in the “If you must” category. Eventually I clicked on it and started following somewhere in 2008. As I understand it I missed the worst of the right wing insanity.

BTW did you ever have a youtube page with four or five videos that you wanted to see, and each of those led you to a couple more?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:16:05pm

Is NOFX anything like Roxette?

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:17:17pm

re: #158 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Is NOFX anything like Roxette?

Heavens no! NOFX is a melodic hardcore punk band.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:19:30pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

OK, now I know that Stanley Sea doesn’t like the band NOFX, or she doesn’t believe that the GOP are populated by idiots and they’re taking over. Noted.

My friend. I’m probably what you would call as the older persuasion. I know nothing of NOFX. forgive.

I DO believe tho, that the GOP is populated by idiots taking over.

We good?

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The War TARDIS Sep 12, 2015 • 9:20:00pm

I finally finished it.

Unfortunately, I had to leave one question unanswered, because of the esoteric imagery at the end of Final Fantasy VIII.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:20:07pm

re: #147 blueraven

Or…mistake. Which is more probable.

Did I down ding?

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:20:25pm

re: #160 #CampaignZero

My friend. I’m probably what you would call as the older persuasion. I know nothing of NOFX. forgive.

I DO believe tho, that the GOP is populated by idiots taking over.

We good?

The downding is perplexing. But yeah, we good.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:21:39pm

re: #155 teleskiguy

Doesn’t appear so.

WHAT

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:22:12pm

Bad Religion - Struck A Nerve

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:23:30pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

The downding is perplexing. But yeah, we good.

Finally getting to the comment that nailed it down. Give me the comment # & I’ll reverse.

I only down ding when the comment makes me puke. NOFX didn’t do that (I didn’t listen)

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blueraven Sep 12, 2015 • 9:23:52pm

re: #162 #CampaignZero

Did I down ding?

It appears that you did.

We have all done so by accident.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:24:38pm

re: #166 #CampaignZero

Finally getting to the comment that nailed it down. Give me the comment # & I’ll reverse.

I only down ding when the comment makes me puke. NOFX didn’t do that (I didn’t listen)

It’s really no big deal. But if you insist. #120

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:25:57pm

Bad Religion - Slumber

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:26:32pm

Found it, corrected. Terrible mistake.

I’m so freaking happy in my new patio addition that I DONT GIVE A FUCK.

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:26:49pm

Blind Pilot - One Red Thread (HD)
Well since we’re in music time mode.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 12, 2015 • 9:27:16pm

re: #160 #CampaignZero

My friend. I’m probably what you would call as the older persuasion. I know nothing of NOFX. forgive.

Been around since the mid 80’s. They’re not on my radar either, but they ain’t new.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:28:22pm

Check this

Big Sean - I Don’t Fuck With You (Explicit) ft. E-40

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:28:34pm

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

Been around since the mid 80’s. They’re not on my radar either, but they ain’t new.

They’ve been around that long? Jeez. I would have guessed mid 90’s earliest tops. I think they had a son called Idiot Son of an Asshole about Bush.

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sagehen Sep 12, 2015 • 9:31:01pm

re: #160 #CampaignZero

My friend. I’m probably what you would call as the older persuasion. I know nothing of NOFX. forgive.

I DO believe tho, that the GOP is populated by idiots taking over.

We good?

Maybe this is more your speed?

Fun Boy Three - The Lunatics Have Taken Over The Asylum

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:31:02pm

If you aren’t getting downdinged once in a while, you’re not trying very hard.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:34:52pm

I was in a bonafide touring punk rock band before I graduated high school, we were called The Stiffies. I played lead guitar and harmony vocals. Those were some days, man! We opened for The Mighty Mighty Bosstones in Denver and toured Colorado with Guttermouth. Punk rock will always course through my veins because of that crazy/amazing part of my life.

We broke up after less than a year, the drummer and lead singer/guitarist were brothers, you see, and they didn’t get along. Our last gig, in Vail, CO, we were fired about three or four songs into the set because the brothers got into a fist fight on the stage in the middle of a performance. So punk rock!

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goddamnedfrank Sep 12, 2015 • 9:34:56pm

LOL. How did I miss this?

Daniel Radcliffe Raps Blackalicious’ “Alphabet Aerobics”

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:36:14pm

re: #173 #CampaignZero

Check this

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I only know about that song because it played on a limo bus bachelorette party I went to. My favorite crazy person sang all the lyrics while doing the pole. Unforgettable.

So that’s how I learn new music.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 12, 2015 • 9:37:43pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Wow, he took his jacket off.

HE TOOK HIS JACKET OFF.

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:37:52pm

re: #177 teleskiguy

I was in a bonafide touring punk rock band before I graduated high school, we were called The Stiffies. I played lead guitar and harmony vocals. Those were some days, man! We opened for The Mighty Mighty Bosstones in Denver and toured Colorado with Guttermouth. Punk rock will always course through my veins because of that crazy/amazing part of my life.

We broke up after less than a year, the drummer and lead singer/guitarist were brothers, you see, and they didn’t get along. Our last gig, in Vail, CO, we were fired about three or four songs into the set because the brothers got into a fist fight on the stage in the middle of a performance. So punk rock!

My cousin was in a funk band for a little while. They broke up. It was too bad. They were talented enough to be invited to perform at the 9:30 Club. I found out latter that the lead guitarist/lead singer was a bit of a diva though. Hoping my cousin stays with music though. He’s a talented bassist. I always wish I had musical talent but my dexterity issues along with having a difficult time reading music would make it difficult for me. I am just here to enjoy the music others. That’s crazy that they got into a fist fight though.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 12, 2015 • 9:39:58pm

Harry Potter busting out Blackalicious backed by The Roots. It’s like a time capsule from 1999 exploded.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 12, 2015 • 9:40:34pm

I’ll just leave this here without comment:

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:41:49pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

They’ve had a lot of great music skits. Here’s one of my faves:

The Doors Sing “Reading Rainbow” Theme (Late Night with Jimmy Fallon)

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:42:39pm

Jimmy’s Neil Young impressions are fun. I am normally not a big Fallon fan but as someone who has been listening to Neil most of my life, I enjoy those.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:43:29pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

My cousin was in a funk band for a little while.

That reminds me of one of my favorite Bill Hicks one-liners.

I don’t do drugs any more…… than say, the average touring funk band.

— Bill Hicks (@Bill_Hicks_RIP) August 16, 2015

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:47:07pm

re: #184 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

They’ve had a lot of great music skits. Here’s one of my faves:

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Video

Um, insane wood. lol.

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sagehen Sep 12, 2015 • 9:47:59pm

talkingpointsmemo.com

Celebrity tycoon and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump told members of the Alabama Republican party on a Thursday night conference call that his plan to remove undocumented immigrants from the U.S. would only take “18 months to two years if handled properly,” CBS News reported Friday.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that more/quicker transport than even the Gestapo managed?

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:48:07pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

That reminds me of one of my favorite Bill Hicks one-liners.

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I really need to see more of his material. It was a shame the band didn’t last though. It’s easy to see why most bands fold though.

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:48:41pm

re: #188 sagehen

talkingpointsmemo.com

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that more/quicker transport than even the Gestapo managed?

with much more people., yes.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:49:04pm

re: #188 sagehen

talkingpointsmemo.com

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that more/quicker transport than even the Gestapo managed?

Box Cars. Someone (haha) needs to ask him about box cars.

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:49:50pm

Jenner my sister.

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blueraven Sep 12, 2015 • 9:50:23pm

Jack Black and Jimmy Fallon “More Than Words”

Jimmy Fallon & Jack Black Recreate “More Than Words” Music Video

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#CampaignZero Sep 12, 2015 • 9:51:03pm

Nighty ya’ll.

Teleski, especially to you friend.

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:51:26pm

re: #193 blueraven

Jack Black and Jimmy Fallon “More Than Words”

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Always have liked Jack Black going back to the Tenacious D days.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 9:52:16pm

re: #193 blueraven

Jack Black and Jimmy Fallon “More Than Words”

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I’m gonna listen to that in a minute, but I thought that song was the funniest of all time. It was the theme of countless proms, but nobody I knew ever got the joke.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 9:52:31pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

It was a shame the band didn’t last though. It’s easy to see why most bands fold though.

I’ve been in a few bands. It’s humans trying to be creative and at the same time precise. It rarely works out. When it does it’s a beautiful thing. Which is why my favorite touring musical act is Umphrey’s McGee. A six-person band with over 300 songs in their repertoire that has been playing for almost 18 years? That’s a goddamned miracle!

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HappyWarrior Sep 12, 2015 • 9:53:54pm

re: #197 teleskiguy

I’ve been in a few bands. It’s humans trying to be creative and at the same time precise. It rarely works out. When it does it’s a beautiful thing. Which is why my favorite touring musical act is Umphrey’s McGee. A six-person band with over 300 songs in their repertoire that has been playing for almost 18 years? That’s a goddamned miracle!

Yep. Damn though. 6 person band with that amount of songs and that kind of longevity. It of course still amazes me that the Stones have lasted over a half century.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 10:03:26pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Yep. Damn though. 6 person band with that amount of songs and that kind of longevity.

Since I’ve piqued your curiosity, I present to you every song Umphrey’s McGee has played live in concert.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 10:05:08pm

Yo.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 10:06:07pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

Yo

…is Oy backwards.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 10:06:58pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

…is Oy backwards.

No waii.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 10:15:17pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

No waii.

Uh, Whey

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 10:19:05pm

Choices: Repent Walpurgis (Procul Harum), Karla with a K (Hooters), No Matter What (Badfinger), Roll With the Changes (REO Speedwagon), Change the World (Eric Clapton and Babyface). I could be here all night and everytime I click one, I get a few more I want to see. YouTube is cruel.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 10:22:12pm

re: #204 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Choices: Repent Walpurgis (Procul Harum), Karla with a K (Hooters), No Matter What (Badfinger), Roll With the Changes (REO Speedwagon), Change the World (Eric Clapton and Babyface). I could be here all night and everytime I click one, I get a few more I want to see. YouTube is cruel.

Just like tvtropes.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 12, 2015 • 10:22:30pm

Oh yeah I think I’ll give you that seat, even though there are forty empty seats and thirty people are standing on the bus:

philly.com

Bedbugs on SEPTA buses, and oh yeah, the Pope’s coming in two weeks!

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Jenner7 Sep 12, 2015 • 10:26:27pm

re: #192 #CampaignZero

Ya?

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Jenner7 Sep 12, 2015 • 10:29:54pm

Oh darn, I missed Stanley….

I was busy watching SNL The Barry Gibb Show skits. I almost peed my pants, I was laughing so hard.

Night all. Have a peaceful Sunday.

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Pip's Squeak Sep 12, 2015 • 10:34:38pm

re: #204 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Ernest Fanelli. Louis Glass. Georges Enescu. Gyorgyi Ligeti.

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darthstar Sep 12, 2015 • 10:35:38pm

I got decent seats for the game tonight. A one-hitter for Bumgarner (would have been perfect if Melvin Upton Jr. didn’t get a hit in the top of the eighth…23 batters in a row before that fucker). Anyhoo…the only people closer to the plate were the guy on deck, the umpire, and the catcher.

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The War TARDIS Sep 12, 2015 • 10:35:54pm

Updated my page.

I forgot love.

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darthstar Sep 12, 2015 • 10:36:48pm

re: #211 The War TARDIS

Updated my page.

I forgot love.

Love is good.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 10:37:27pm

re: #210 darthstar

I got decent seats for the game tonight. A one-hitter for Bumgarner (would have been perfect if Melvin Upton Jr. didn’t get a hit in the top of the eighth…23 batters in a row before that fucker). Anyhoo…the only people closer to the plate were the guy on deck, the umpire, and the catcher.

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Did you get to yell at them for bad calls?
:P

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darthstar Sep 12, 2015 • 10:40:04pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Did you get to yell at them for bad calls?
:P

I kept telling the Padres players in the on-deck circle, “If Madison strikes you out can I have your bat?” Then, after they struck out, I’d say, “Hey, I thought we had a deal!” It’s good being close enough to heckle effectively.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 10:40:51pm

re: #214 darthstar

I kept telling the Padres players in the on-deck circle, “If Madison strikes you out can I have your bat?” Then, after they struck out, I’d say, “Hey, I thought we had a deal!” It’s good being close enough to heckle effectively.

Ha!

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darthstar Sep 12, 2015 • 10:45:18pm

BYU’s Hail Mary play is unstoppable http://t.co/2IeZGKmfqj pic.twitter.com/nNOmoOIOea

— SB Nation (@SBNation) September 13, 2015

@SBNation If there’s one thing BYU knows, it’s how to appeal to a virgin.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 13, 2015

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The War TARDIS Sep 12, 2015 • 10:46:43pm

re: #216 darthstar

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 10:57:25pm

American football.

Once again, I’m going to use this internet comment as a space holder for a comment that is true but not productive.

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darthstar Sep 12, 2015 • 10:59:17pm

re: #218 teleskiguy

American football.

Once again, I’m going to use this internet comment as a space holder for a comment that is true but not productive.

It’s going to snow soon…and then we’ll forget football ever existed.

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Varek Raith Sep 12, 2015 • 11:00:08pm

SKI PLUTO!

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 11:00:49pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

SKI PLUTO!

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 11:05:46pm

Shoutout to the poor bastard whose ex-girlfriend did the Siri voice.

— Jesse Case (@jessecase) September 13, 2015

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 11:09:18pm

There’s been a marked owl theme in LGF comments as of late. Here’s my contribution.

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palomino Sep 12, 2015 • 11:14:03pm

Trump’s right. Rand is an even shittier candidate than his dad Ron. At least Ron could raise money, and always count on 10-15% of the Republican base lining up to cheer for him and his libertarian nonsense.

But Rand can’t even reach that admittedly low bar. I think it’s because he’s trying to appeal to his father’s crowd while simultaneously appealing to the gop establishment. He’s failed on both counts, so nobody’s interested in him now. Also he’s a total douchebag and most people have now recognized it.

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teleskiguy Sep 12, 2015 • 11:20:09pm

Was listening to Wings Pt. 1 and 2 by Tool on the 10,000 Days album. And I thought

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 12:21:55am

re: #136 Belafon

I got to see the Andromeda Galaxy with my telescope. There’s enough light pollution that it’s more of a gray smear that gets brighter toward the center. But even then, you can tell it’s huge. There’s a smaller galaxy nearby.

In four weeks, with it higher in the sky and the moon roughly the same phase, I’m going to find a darker area. Hopefully I can get a picture then.

I wish I had the deluminator from Harry Potter, or a way to trip the breaker in my neighborhood.

Train a squirrel suicide squad

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 12:30:53am

re: #177 teleskiguy

I was in a bonafide touring punk rock band before I graduated high school, we were called The Stiffies. I played lead guitar and harmony vocals. Those were some days, man! We opened for The Mighty Mighty Bosstones in Denver and toured Colorado with Guttermouth. Punk rock will always course through my veins because of that crazy/amazing part of my life.

We broke up after less than a year, the drummer and lead singer/guitarist were brothers, you see, and they didn’t get along. Our last gig, in Vail, CO, we were fired about three or four songs into the set because the brothers got into a fist fight on the stage in the middle of a performance. So punk rock!

Computer trivia for ya: when I was in South Africa ages ago, my mates called the 3.5” 1.44 MB disks “stiffies,” because the 5.25” disks were “floppies.”

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 12:40:47am

Happy to announce I’m back on Twitter & excited to use this platform for mature dialogue & thoughtful humor. pic.twitter.com/QPwsQBU7ig

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) September 8, 2015

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 12:50:23am

re: #30 CuriousLurker

highly anticipated new emojis

WTF is wrong with the world? /grampa

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 12:56:32am

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Iconic CBS news anchor Dan Rather

Nice typo for “disgraced” there.

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 1:01:08am

re: #230 Nyet

The whole Dan Rather 2004 Journalism Hollywood Film and the information we have about it makes me want to puke. I thought they’d at least portray Charles in some capacity. I was hoping Danny Trejo was going to play Charles.

I proved Dan Rather wrong. I’m also a scientist of love. -dialogue from the new Dan Rather movie from Charles Johnson, as portrayed by Danny Trejo.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 1:05:23am

re: #231 teleskiguy

inorite
The guy did everything a journalist shouldn’t do.
Moreover, the story about Bush’s service had legs and he basically killed it by using these fakes.
And he was sour for years thereafter like a baby, as if anyone else were to blame.

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 1:10:48am

re: #232 Nyet

And he was sour for years thereafter like a baby, as if anyone else were to blame.

He’s still fuckin’ sour. I find it infuriating that Dan Rather - 11 years after he was proven absolutely wrong - still insists he’s right. And it’ll be portrayed as such in the upcoming motion picture production and will largely be ignored by discerning mainstream media. They’ll just lionize him, because he’s old, old media, whatever.

Whatever.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 1:14:24am

re: #233 teleskiguy

They should have called the film Pravda.

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 1:15:35am

re: #234 Nyet

WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 1:21:13am

“Nobody to this day has proved these documents were fraudulent,” Rather said. “The story was true.”

Fuck you, idjit. To start with, the burden of proof was always on you.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 1:24:29am

I’m gonna pimp my friend’s book here. Lynn and I went to high school together.

The New Bostonians: How Immigrants Have Transformed the Metro Region Since the 1960s
By Marilynn S. Johnson, Boston College
University of Massachusetts Press, August 2015
thenewbostonians.com

On the New Bostonian Facebook page, Dr. Johnson relates how she managed to track down the immigrants on the cover of her book.

How I Discovered New Bostonians in My Own Backyard…

For months now I’ve been trying to find out the identity of the immigrants featured on the cover of my book. Today I learned who two of them are: Yasin Aden and his daughter Anisa Yasin—the two Somalis shown in the photo’s foreground. I found them thanks to Asahar Iman—shown with me in this photograph. Asahar works at the Goddard House in Brookline, an assisted living residence where my father lives. Asahar is on the nursing staff there and saw the book in my father’s walker. Needless to say, she was surprised to see her father and sister on the cover.

This morning we met and I learned a bit about her family. They are originally from Mogadishu where ongoing wars and instability have forced many to flee in the past two decades. Asahar left with her mother and siblings in 2000. They went initially to Ethiopia and later to Pakistan. Eventually they were able to come as refugees to the United States, where they settled in Boston. Asahar’s father arrived a few years later, and he and his daughter Anisa were sworn in as citizens at a ceremony at Fenway Park in 2008. This is where the cover photograph was taken.

Marilynn Johnson and Asahar Iman, both of Boston

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teleskiguy Sep 13, 2015 • 2:10:20am

Blast from the past.

Funny, funny that you think he’s winning. Couldn’t be because of deeply ideological blinders? @teleskiguy

— AndrewBreitbart (@AndrewBreitbart) January 14, 2012

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 2:11:58am

re: #238 teleskiguy

Ironic, that.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 2:16:06am

Here’s the cover of the book, showing Yasin Aden and his daughter Anisa Yasin at the citizenship ceremony in Fenway Park.

It goes without saying here, of course, that all three of these Somalis have become American in the very basic sense of joining the community of Boston, getting jobs and building their future in their new homeland — the same as every immigrant to American shores has, no matter their national origin.

Bigots will look at the head coverings and assume they are terrorists or participants in some nefarious Muslim plot to impose Sharia law on the USA. Fear of immigrants is nothing new in the United States, but somehow I had hoped that, by the dawn of the 21st century, we could put that sort of nonsense behind us. It really pisses me off that Trump has used nativism and fear as part of his campaign. Sure, he has brought it out into the open, but wouldn’t a better strategy been to embrace the immigrant vote, rather than antagonize those voters? That’s what a real leader would have done, instead of a carnival show barker pandering to the basest elements of American voters.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 2:17:22am

Here is an introductory article about Isaak Babel by Borges:

thecharnelhouse.org

If you look for fine script at the end, you can see a link to a pdf with Babel’s complete works, about 1000 pages.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 2:55:54am

A follow-up on the Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota family murder/suicide:

On Saturday afternoon, investigators estimated that the deaths occurred late Monday night or early Tuesday morning and said they had not determined a motive in the killings. Earlier in the day, the Hennepin County Medical Examiner’s office released confirmation of the family members’ names and causes of death. Each died of a shotgun wound to the head.

Brian Short’s fatal injury is described as “self-inflicted.” The medical examiner said the time of death was listed as 12:07 p.m. Thursday, which is when the bodies were discovered.

Siitari again on Saturday asked for the public’s patience as police investigate what is being described as a complex and “gruesome” case. “There are many moving parts in an investigation of this magnitude,” he said.

As to a motive, nothing yet from the authorities. The only apparent trouble Mr. Short faced was described as:

He was facing a federal lawsuit from a New Jersey-based company, although it is unclear whether it posed much of a legal or financial threat to his business. In the lawsuit, Achieve Test Prep alleged that AllNurses failed to delete anonymous defamatory comments from its website and was sending business to a competitor.

The suit was filed in New Jersey, but on Aug. 28, the judge ordered that the case be moved to Minnesota.

This (to me, at least) may hint at a possible motive - some kind of financial trouble.

A couple of 17-year-old Cole’s friends told the Star Tribune this week that Cole had told them the family was planning to sell the house soon because it was too big for them.

About three months ago, the family abruptly ended weekly cleaning services with Polina’s Cleaning Services. The family had paid for the service for about seven months.

“It was really strange; out of nowhere they said they were stopping,” said company representative Roman Peysakhovich. When he asked Karen Short why, she gave no reason, he said.

startribune.com

ETA: I came across this related article, which leads me to think that sadly, finances (a struggling business on Mr. Short’s part) played a part in this gruesome crime.

Kaitlyn Ancello, of Minotola, N.J., a friend of Cole’s on Facebook, said she spoke with the teen over the phone and over Skype frequently after they became friends playing video games across the Internet about a year ago. Cole loved his family, his friends and his dog, she said, and they exchanged photos of their pets. He seemed to come from a nice, well-to-do family, she said.

They often vented to each other about their daily lives, Ancello said, and frequently played video games when Cole wasn’t working at a local pet store. His sister Brooklyn sometimes played, too, Ancello said, though she never really spoke to her.

Ancello was shocked to learn that her friend across the country had been killed. The last time she spoke to Cole on the phone — Saturday or Sunday, she thought — he wasn’t very talkative: “He seemed like not in the mood, I think he was upset they were moving soon.”

Cole had told her that the family had to move because his dad’s business was not going well and was losing money and they were struggling financially, Ancello said.

Ancello said Cole didn’t know where they were going to move, but thought it would be to a different house with a smaller mortgage in the same area.

I presume Ms. Ancello will be interviewed by the authorities, as well as others. That will most likely shed light on what led up to this grim massacre.

startribune.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 3:23:45am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

That’s a really sad story, for a guy to be so bereft about his future to kill his entire family and himself. It sounds like everything went to hell in a handbasket in a short time, leaving them no chance to adapt.

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William Lewis Sep 13, 2015 • 3:31:10am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

Financial failure is perceived as one of the worst things imaginable to many Americans. Even if they are not active church people, the whole success shows you are of the elect heresy pervades our subconscious as does the correlary: failure proves that you are not Godly. Very sad, indeed.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 3:33:31am

re: #243 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

That’s a really sad story, for a guy to be so bereft about his future to kill his entire family and himself. It sounds like everything went to hell in a handbasket in a short time, leaving them no chance to adapt.

I would imagine that (if indeed it’s true) facing the possibility of business failure as well as having to downsize to a smaller home with a less expensive mortgage would have engendered feelings of failure and inadequacy in Mr. Short, which in turn, might have led to act out in the fashion he did in order to spare the family the “shame” of failure or a perception of “poverty”.

It’s twisted thinking to say the least, and I’m basing that supposition on the case of John List, who massacred his family for somewhat similar reasons, though Mr. List didn’t kill himself, he went on the lam for a couple of decades before being apprehended. As I recall, the capture of John List was one of the first major successes of America’s Most Wanted, which was a new show at the time on the (then) fledgeling Fox Network.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 3:36:34am

re: #244 William Lewis

Financial failure is perceived as one of the worst things imaginable to many Americans. Even if they are not active church people, the whole success shows you are of the elect heresy pervades our subconscious as does the correlary: failure proves that you are not Godly. Very sad, indeed.

You’re quite right; for a good number of Americans, death would be preferable to financial failure. Sad but true.

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goddamnedfrank Sep 13, 2015 • 3:47:01am

I mean, how do you define success? Is it personal satisfaction, is it money? The answer is money!
That’s the dark, honest truth. I would say 70 percent of people who are in therapy are in therapy not because of their upbringing, not because of their mean sister or obsessions, but because of anxiety brought about by lack of financial security. I didn’t understand that until I had a measure of financial security which, by rights, I should have because I am trained as a literary theoretician that worked in book publishing, then worked in magazine publishing as a freelance writer. By rights, I should be dead in a gutter right now.

-John Hodgman

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 4:11:54am

Milo quotes Kluwe’s response to him:

Chris Kluwe was the only supporter to respond. He sent the following, incomprehensible comment: “I have difficulty believing any claims from a journalist who sources not only from obvious satire sites as a primary source (ED), not only from hacked records of dubious provenance that have been shown to be recently altered, but also publishes stories based on unvetted information from terrorists. Your story is as much ‘news’ as the drunken ramblings of a street corner doomsayer.”

Kluwe is outright lying though. The provenance of most of the main sources is excellent - straight from Nyberg’s site, from her postings at forums and LJ and, most importantly, never denied by Nyberg herself. The primary sources are not ED but rather various web archival services which are completely neutral.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 4:42:32am

re: #234 Nyet

They should have called the film Pravda.

Ouch, that one’s gotta leave a mark!

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 4:47:01am

re: #244 William Lewis

Financial failure is perceived as one of the worst things imaginable to many Americans. Even if they are not active church people, the whole success shows you are of the elect heresy pervades our subconscious as does the correlary: failure proves that you are not Godly. Very sad, indeed.

A legacy of the Puritans, who oddly also believed in predestination.

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Romantic Heretic Sep 13, 2015 • 4:52:09am

re: #242 Dr Lizardo

When will guys, and it’s usually guys, learn that families aren’t property that you can destroy if you’re afraid you’re going to lose them?

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William Lewis Sep 13, 2015 • 4:53:58am

re: #250 Dark_Falcon

It was a legacy of Calvin (who disliked the idea) and Knox (who embraced it). The whole thing required a lack of free will and a belief in predestination to work. Which is why this Anglican protestant considers it a form of heresy.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 4:54:25am

re: #251 Romantic Heretic

When will guys, and it’s usually guys, learn that families aren’t property that you can destroy if you’re afraid you’re going to lose them?

Not in our lifetime, and perhaps never. A man’s family is deeply connected to his feelings of self-worth, and that’s not a connection easily broken.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 4:56:00am

re: #252 William Lewis

It was a legacy of Calvin (who disliked the idea) and Knox (who embraced it). The whole thing required a lack of free will and a belief in predestination to work. Which is why this Anglican protestant considers it a form of heresy.

I concur in your evaluation from a Catholic perspective. But its woven so deeply into the American psyche that removing it is likely impossible.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 5:04:01am

So, I invite all Lizards to listen to some fine jazz/blues/funk this Sunday morning on KMHD 89.1, broadcasting out of Gresham, OR from Mt. Hood Community College. A nice way to start a Sunday - or indeed, any day of the week.

opb.org

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 5:20:30am

The myth of internet permanence:

The Disappearing Web: How we’re losing the battle to preserve the Internet

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Decatur Deb Sep 13, 2015 • 5:47:39am

re: #256 Nyet

The myth of internet permanence:

The Disappearing Web: How we’re losing the battle to preserve the Internet

You mean this shit is ephemeral? I’ve wasted years here.

(Speaking of Pravda, this photo you might know was buried in the Kvetchlandia site. Many layers of truth and falsehood here:)

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 5:58:11am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

Koltsov and Babel were on the same shooting list approved personally by Stalin.
stalin.memo.ru

Koltsov was shot a few days later than Babel.

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Decatur Deb Sep 13, 2015 • 6:03:45am

re: #258 Nyet

Koltsov and Babel were on the same shooting list approved personally by Stalin.
stalin.memo.ru

Koltsov was shot a few days later than Babel.

She translated an interview with Koltsov and one of the anarchist leaders. Both wound up dead.

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Decatur Deb Sep 13, 2015 • 6:07:45am

re: #258 Nyet

Looked at the list. The first page is barely into the “B’s”. Busy, busy.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 6:27:13am

re: #260 Decatur Deb

K. was #137: stalin.memo.ru

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A Mom Anon Sep 13, 2015 • 6:42:51am

re: #251 Romantic Heretic

I think it’s also part of this whole “I am the man, I make the money, I make the rules and I do what I want” mindset. Money makes you the head of the household, without it, you are powerless, or with less of it you have less power. I’m contending with that attitude in my house right now(minus the danger, just to be clear), and let’s just say it’s not flying very well. Men talk to each other about this stuff and reinforce it. Nevermind that I spent 22 yrs raising an autistic young man and spent huge amounts of time giving him the therapies he needed myself, with no training. If someone had to pay for that help he wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss it. Someone’s friends have wives with careers that “contribute something” whereas I apparently haven’t. And I’m not trying hard enough to find a shitty job, because the world is totally seeking out women over 55 who’ve been out of the workforce for 20 plus years. I’m trying to start my own business, but it’s not going well. It’s hard to do that with little money and no family or friend support.

I guess I don’t get it because I’ve never been rich. Having less money, as much as say, most people have, isn’t the end of the world. This guy put a dollar amount on the lives of everyone closest to him and himself. It’s not just sad, it’s COMMON thinking. Look at how we treat the poor or people who need help. Like they’re taking something from those who really “deserve” it. Or even people who work and don’t make a lot of money, but they still work and still try hard to support themselves and oftentimes a family. It makes me so sad. Our priorities are fucked, and it results in life seeming cheap unless your bank account says you’re “worth something”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:07:20am

re: #262 A Mom Anon

It’s that Protestant Calvinist work ethic mentioned above, combined with the Horatio Alger mythos, and the male ego. It’s a volatile mix, and people who are desperate often find it hard to find other solutions to what may seem overwhelming obstacles, and just pop.

Then there are people who survive and rebuild. I read about a guy who was a successful ad executive, who was downsized out of a job. In his late 50s, he had trouble finding any job at all, surprisingly. He lost his house, his vacation home, his cars, his boat, and his wife. He was offered a job as a barista at Starbucks, and he took it. He wrote about it, and said despite the radical change in his lifestyle, he actually enjoyed his new job. Less stress, more fun.

goodreads.com

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 7:16:21am

Summer 2015 began w/one crazy white woman who thinks she’s black & ended w/another who thinks she’s Christian. #FunFactsAboutKimDavis

— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) September 12, 2015

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 7:26:39am

@rudepundit It’s a little sad. Soon the Democrats will be doing it too.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 13, 2015

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:30:00am

PunditFact: No, ‘Denali’ is not a Kenyan word for ‘black power’

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 7:30:40am

Big, slow, lumbering reptiles…

Oh just a crocodile propelling its entire body out of a river with its tail http://t.co/67jIefJPsY pic.twitter.com/9pV2IW3d0q

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) September 13, 2015

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:31:42am

re: #264 darthstar

So he implies that Dolezal is black after all? Because Davis is certainly a Christian.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:31:50am

re: #267 darthstar

Big, slow, lumbering reptiles…

that have been successful at eating things for millions of years.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:33:05am

re: #268 Nyet

So he implies that Dolezal is black after all? Because Davis is certainly Christian.

I suspect he’s implying that she’s not acting in a Christian manner, at least as he sees it.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:34:01am

re: #270 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I suspect he’s implying that she’s not acting in a Christian manner, at least as he sees it.

I’m pretty sure Davis also doesn’t think Fugelsang is acting as a Christian.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 7:34:18am

re: #267 darthstar

Big, slow, lumbering reptiles…

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Holy shit. Go watch the short video of this. The croc slowly raises himself out of the water as he’s baited.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:35:29am

re: #271 Nyet

I’m pretty sure Davis also doesn’t think Fugelsang is acting as a Christian.

Well, that’s been a Christian problem since Peter and Paul. It’s a feature, not a bug.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 7:36:15am

re: #271 Nyet

I’m pretty sure Davis also doesn’t think Fugelsang is acting as a Christian.

She’s entitled to her wrong opinion.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 7:37:44am

re: #271 Nyet

I’m pretty sure Davis also doesn’t think Fugelsang is acting as a Christian.

“acting as a Christian?” Hell, that’s my new insult. Dude…stop acting like a Christian…it’s embarrassing.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:38:11am

re: #273 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Well, that’s been a Christian problem since Peter and Paul. It’s a feature, not a bug.

“We don’t like them so they’re not Christian” has, historically, been a fundie way of thinking. I’m seeing more and more liberal Christians falling into the same trap lately.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:38:53am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

She’s entitled to her wrong opinion.

As is Fugelsang.

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FormerDirtDart Sep 13, 2015 • 7:40:27am

re: #272 darthstar

Holy shit. Go watch the short video of this. The croc slowly raises himself out of the water as he’s baited.

I’m not sure about the “slowly” part, the video is slowed significantly.
Definitely makes me rethink how “safe” I was on an everglades boat tour years ago

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:40:29am

Ms Palaszczuk said priority would now be given to anyone who attended the front counter of a police station on domestic violence issues.
Police supervisors will also conduct mandatory quality checks on all over-the-counter requests for domestic violence orders.

“You will not be standing in a queue,” the Premier said.

“My government is acting quickly and responsibly.

Queensland police review domestic violence rules after three deaths in four days</aTwo women were killed on the Gold Coast this week, a six-year-old girl was allegedly murdered by her father in Brisbane’s north and a woman was lucky to survive a machete attack in Wacol.

One of the Gold Coast victims, Tara Brown, 24, was killed less than a week after she sought help from police, only to be turned away.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:41:02am

re: #276 Nyet

“We don’t like them so they’re no Christian” has, historically, been a fundie way of thinking. I’m seeing more and more liberal Christians falling into the same trap lately.

Sectarianism has divided Christianity up into thousands of pieces, some large, some small, but all convinced they are the One True Church.

I was surprised when I learned that Buddhism is not much better.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:42:13am

re: #279 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

I got friends who live around there.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:42:47am

DEBT

Graeber shows that arguments about debt and debt forgiveness have been at the center of political debates from Italy to China, as well as sparking innumerable insurrections. He also brilliantly demonstrates that the language of the ancient works of law and religion (words like “guilt,” “sin,” and “redemption”) derive in large part from ancient debates about debt, and shape even our most basic ideas of right and wrong. We are still fighting these battles today without knowing it.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:43:52am

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sectarianism has divided Christianity up into thousands of pieces, some large, some small, but all convinced they are the One True Church.

I was surprised when I learned that Buddhism is not much better.

MY WAY OR NO WAY !!!

(and I accept Mastercard, Visa, Amex, Discover, PayPal, Cash and Bitcoin)

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:44:30am

re: #282 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

DEBT

The injunction, “neither a debtor nor a lender be,” probably arose from those kind of debates.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:45:35am

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

They are entitled to their opinion, but there is no way for anyone (absent a direct intervention by God) to prove that they represent the one true interpretation of Christianity, or even that there is one such interpretation. Plus there is the fact that everyone cherrypicks the Bible and other Christian writings and reinterpret the places they don’t like. So there is no objectively “Christian behavior”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:48:17am

re: #283 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

MY WAY OR NO WAY !!!

(and I accept Mastercard, Visa, Amex, Discover, PayPal, Cash and Bitcoin)

You can assume they’ve all screwed up the founders’ original messages. Jesus and Buddha have probably shaking been their heads in disgust for the past 2,000 years. “No, no, no, you idiots! That’s not what I fuckin’ said!”

I presume swearing is allowed in Deity-ville.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:49:36am

What one can do though is look at the historical Christianity (without identifying it with “true” Christianity). And the historical Christianity is as illiberal as it gets. So liberal Christians are out of step with it. Which fact I actually find great, but they shouldn’t pretend to have the only true key to the Christian teachings. They are against the weight of 2000 years.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 7:49:47am

re: #280 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Sectarianism has divided Christianity up into thousands of pieces, some large, some small, but all convinced they are the One True Church.

I was surprised when I learned that Buddhism is not much better.

From what I can see, no religion is free from it. It’s honestly one of the things that turns me off most about religion. My philosophy is pretty simple. We should all be free in our own way to find life’s meaning and if that includes God, Gods, or no gods at all so be it. I’m agnostic but if believing in a God gives you comfort, I won’t stop you unless you’re trying to trample on other people’s liberty and rights in the process like Kim Davis is.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 7:52:34am

re: #287 Nyet

What one can do though is look at the historical Christianity (without identifying it with “true” Christianity). And the historical Christianity is as illiberal as it gets. So liberal Christians are out of step with it. Which fact I actually find great, but they shouldn’t pretend to have the only true key to the Christian teachings. They are against the weight of 2000 years.

Very true. The Christianity of our grandparents generations was very outwardly antisemitic for example. I think the RCC only got rid of the official blame of the Jews for the death of Christ in Vatican II. But yeah while I do appreciate liberal Christians and liberal adhoerents of any religion, I do think they need to know they are the exception not the rule. There have been plenty of people who went through all the motions of Christianity every day and then would order the deaths of people without a second thought. I think the reason why you see this though is simple nature. “They’re going to accuse me of not being a real Christian, well I’ll do the same to them.”

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 7:53:26am

re: #276 Nyet

“We don’t like them so they’re not Christian” has, historically, been a fundie way of thinking. I’m seeing more and more liberal Christians falling into the same trap lately.

She also thinks she’s a Democrat. She isn’t.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 13, 2015 • 7:54:16am

re: #256 Nyet

At one time I had an archive of every posted message on the Canopus Research message board before CIS pulled the plug on all of the forums. There were some real gems back when Windows 95 was rolling out buried in there (“4 meg is our mantra”), but I doubt if I even have that anymore. Ah, well.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:55:54am

UPDATE: Jaguar Cub Gets His “Swagger”

zooborns.com

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate Sep 13, 2015 • 7:56:51am

re: #290 Belafon

She also thinks she’s a Democrat. She isn’t.

Kentucky Democrats are more like Republicans.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:57:10am

re: #290 Belafon

She also thinks she’s a Democrat. She isn’t.

She certainly is out of step with the Democratic party.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 7:58:33am

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Kentucky Democrats are more like Republicans.

Yes. I mean McConnell’s last opponent couldn’t even admit to having voted for Obama.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 7:58:54am

This is Osama Al-Ghabad, a former football coach. That woman is not worth the dirt on his shoes. #refugeeswelcome pic.twitter.com/URawaAoFOs

— Alya Marquardt (@AlyaMarquardt) September 11, 2015

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 7:58:58am

This story is from Thursday, but I got a big kick out of it:

David Brock: The New York Times has ‘a special place in hell’

David Brock’s war against the New York Times just went nuclear — and the paper is responding with equal fury.

Brock, the former right-wing journalist-turned-pro-Clinton crusader, takes aim at a top New York Times editor in a soon-to-be released book obtained by POLITICO. In the book, titled “Killing the Messenger: The Right-Wing Plot to Derail Hillary Clinton and Hijack Your Government,” Brock accuses senior politics editor and former Washington bureau chief Carolyn Ryan of helping to turn the paper into a “megaphone for conservative propaganda” by unfairly targeting former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

The founder of liberal watchdog groups Media Matters and Correct the Record casts Bill and Hillary Clinton, whom he tormented in the 1990s as a reporter with the American Spectator, as personal and political angels who offered him access to some of the Democratic Party’s biggest donors.

But he uses the book as a platform to attack the Times — whose editorial board endorsed Clinton over Barack Obama in 2008 — over its approach towards the Clintons from the Whitewater investigations of the 1990s to the current coverage of Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

In reality, David Brock is still a paid attack dog, attacking the New York Times to try to take heat off of Hillary Clinton and bolster her diminished poll numbers. Good Luck with that one David, but you just keeping tryin’ to storm ‘Castle NYT’. I’ll bring the popcorn.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 7:59:26am

re: #294 Nyet

She certainly is out of step with the Democratic party.

I’d like to see her show up at the Democratic convention.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 7:59:33am

Republican candidate Donald Trump says increasing CEO pay is “a total and complete joke” http://t.co/Bc4rcJYAu1 pic.twitter.com/68cnRT0g6D

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 13, 2015

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:00:50am

re: #290 Belafon

She also thinks she’s a Democrat. She isn’t.

That was what she was elected as, so she counts as a Democrat. Of course, if you are welcome to consider her a DINO if you wish.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:01:11am

re: #299 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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This sounds hollow coming from someone who loves bragging about his wealth.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 8:01:45am

REPORTER HITS GIRL IN THE STOMACH, KICKS AND TRIPS MAN WITH CHILD: PETRA LASZLO FIRED AFTER CAMERAWOMAN CAUGHT ON VIDEO HURTING REFUGEES [VIDEO]

What?

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:01:56am

re: #296 Nyet

I can’t quite figure out what is going on.

Edit: Never mind. #302 is the answer.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 8:03:00am

re: #303 Belafon

This is the man whom that —- from Hungary tripped up. His pre-refugee photo.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 8:04:23am

Ben Carson Says He Can’t See Evidence of Global Warming, So Jerry Brown Sends Him Some http://t.co/PAUEjvpxb2

— BlackLivesMatter (@drandreaj) September 13, 2015

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 8:04:57am

He was reportedly arrested and tortured for participating in demonstrations against the Syrian regime.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 13, 2015 • 8:07:36am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

This sounds hollow coming from someone who loves bragging about his wealth.

It sounds hollow, but he makes his money differently from the typical CEO. He doesn’t have a Board of Directors in his pocket voting him stock options. I don’t have a really big beef with high CEO pay if it’s warranted. As I see it the main source of rich/poor disparity gets perverted when the earnings are distributed to the shareholders and the employees who made it happen get stiffed.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:10:02am

From the Onion:

Obamas Decide To Stay In White House Until Daughters Finish High School.

It’s funny in part because we’re staying in our current house until my middle child, who’s in high school, graduates.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:11:01am

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

That was what she was elected as, so she counts as a Democrat. Of course, if you are welcome to consider her a DINO if you wish.

But a DINO would not be a Democrat. That would be like saying a catfish is a cat.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate Sep 13, 2015 • 8:13:37am

re: #309 Belafon

??? Wouldn’t a RINO be a Republican?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 8:13:42am

Should owning your own medical data be a civil right? http://t.co/ZD7jLVd3da

— C. Michael Gibson MD (@CMichaelGibson) September 13, 2015

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:13:50am

re: #307 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It sounds hollow, but he makes his money differently from the typical CEO. He doesn’t have a Board of Directors in his pocket voting him stock options. I don’t have a really big beef with high CEO pay if it’s warranted. As I see it the main source of rich/poor disparity gets perverted when the earnings are distributed to the shareholders and the employees who made it happen get stiffed.

My problem is with executive pay skyrocketing and workers wages being stagnant but that’s another story.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood Sep 13, 2015 • 8:16:36am

bbl

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:16:53am

pic.twitter.com/cKuigmWZ3w

— Bloom County 2015 (@bloomcounty) September 13, 2015

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aagcobb Sep 13, 2015 • 8:17:26am

re: #299 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

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One of Trump’s advantages over the rest of the GOP field is that he takes stances which are actually popular with the GOP Base of elderly whites since he isn’t beholden to the GOP elites. So along with promising to build a wall and deport all the undocumented immigrants, he also supports protecting medicare and social security and increased taxes on the rich. No other GOP candidate has the financial means to take such positions.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:28:13am

Christie: “Just stop reading newspapers” on Bridgegate probe (VIDEO) http://t.co/UqAL452u34 via @meetthepress pic.twitter.com/VZXyeCGEHs

— Matt Arco (@MatthewArco) September 13, 2015

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stpaulbear Sep 13, 2015 • 8:28:25am

re: #315 aagcobb

One of Trump’s advantages over the rest of the GOP field is that he takes stances which are actually popular with the GOP Base of elderly whites since he isn’t beholden to the GOP elites. So along with promising to build a wall and deport all the undocumented immigrants, he also supports protecting medicare and social security and increased taxes on the rich. No other GOP candidate has the financial means to take such positions.

But there’s still no way of knowing if he actually means the stuff he’s saying. He’s making promises and claims that will be impeachable offenses. He may not be beholden to anyone, but he’s not grounded in reality, and he’s proven that he will say dangerously racist stuff. I hope your argument was rhetorical and that you’re not actually liking what the guy says.

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aagcobb Sep 13, 2015 • 8:35:32am

re: #317 stpaulbear

But there’s still no way of knowing if he actually means the stuff he’s saying. He’s making promises and claims that will be impeachable offenses. He may not be beholden to anyone, but he’s not grounded in reality, and he’s proven that he will say dangerously racist stuff. I hope your argument was rhetorical and that you’re not actually liking what the guy says.

On no, I’m not saying I would support Trump for President; it would be a disaster. I’m just pointing out that he is exploiting a gap between what GOP voters actually want and what the GOP elites who bankroll the GOP want. Almost no-one wants Social Security and Medicare cut, especially not the GOP Base who depend on those programs or will soon, but most GOP politicians have to support cuts to Social Security and Medicare because that is what the people who write the checks want.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 8:40:28am

The latest on the refugee crisis here in Europe:

Germany is to reintroduce border controls and will exit temporarily from the Schengen system, according to media reports, after the country’s regions said they could no longer cope with the overwhelming number of refugees arriving from Austria.

According to Der Spiegel, the interior minister, Thomas de Maizière, is poised to announce new restrictive measures at a press conference in Berlin later on Sunday. They include shutting the country’s borders, sending hundreds of additional police officers to Bavaria and allowing entry to Germany only with a valid passport.

The emergency measures are designed to give some respite to Germany’s federal states who are responsible for looking after refugees. There is also discussion inside the government about sending troops to the border with Austria, to reinforce security, Der Spiegel reports.

There’s a meeting coming up tomorrow (Monday) regarding the crisis:

Faymann suggested that if no consensus was reached on Monday in Brussels, Germany and its allies could try to force through a vote on quotas with a qualified majority. He also warned that Austria and Germany - both net contributors to the EU budget - would consider sanctions against countries stubbornly refusing to share the refugee burden.

This might include axing some EU structural funds from which “east European states profit most of all”, Faymann said. As well as quotas, Juncker’s proposal includes establishing hotspots at EU frontiers, including Greece and Italy, where refugees can be registered under a unitary system.

theguardian.com

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:45:10am

re: #319 Dr Lizardo

The latest on the refugee crisis here in Europe:

There’s a meeting coming up tomorrow (Monday) regarding the crisis:

theguardian.com

If Germany forces through refugee quotas, then Great Britain will leave the EU for certain.

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 8:46:46am

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

If Germany forces through refugee quotas, then Great Britain will leave the EU for certain.

Great Britain already has an opt-out, so even if Germany and Austria forced through quotas by simple majority vote, it won’t effect the UK one iota. Granted, it might harden anti-EU attitudes in Britain. I think Denmark also has an opt-out from any refugee quotas as well.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:47:54am

Jeb Bush: A ‘tolerant country’ should allow discrimination based upon ‘religious beliefs’ http://t.co/oMQPQvcYMc #WhatADick

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 13, 2015

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:48:14am

I took a little time-out to think a bit more about my statements. If claiming a label was all it took to be part of Christianity or the Democratic party, then the labels are meaningless. And they probably are anyway. I can claim to be any number of things that are not controlled by mathematics or science (I couldn’t claim to be a woman in any place other than the internet, for instance).

I think Fugelsang’s statement was OK. Because let’s try the non-exclusion version:

As a Christian, she is not doing the things that Jesus said people should do: being kind to others, not judging them, not divorcing - haha. She’s a Christian not being a Christian.

It would be like claiming to be a cyclist because you own a bike. Of course you can claim it, but if you’re not training, I’m pretty sure no professional is going to claim you are.

Ultimately what we’re getting in trouble with is what labels like Christian and Democrat mean. Christian has multiple meanings, and even though I’m an atheist, Fugelsang’s implied definition is closer to what I imagined the term to mean when I was part of the faith. Davis is definitely not a “do not cast stones” Christian.

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 13, 2015 • 8:48:43am

re: #322 darthstar

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Yah, JEB is the smart brother.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:48:44am

re: #322 darthstar

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I thought he was smart. Guess not.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:48:46am

re: #318 aagcobb

I renew my complaint that I have not heard of any talk of cutting Social Security, and I don’t know where you get talk about it from. Reform yes, but not ‘cut’.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:49:10am

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

If Germany forces through refugee quotas, then Great Britain will leave the EU for certain.

I can see now why you’re a Rubio supporter. Where do you get this shit?

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:49:28am

re: #322 darthstar

A tolerant country should also allow the occasional suicide bombing.

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Feline Fearless Leader Sep 13, 2015 • 8:50:27am

re: #328 Belafon

A tolerant country should also allow the occasional suicide bombing.

Or a man walking into a school and shooting 30-40 children?
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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 8:50:49am

Jeb basically says religious people read Christians should get special rights. Uh no.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:51:08am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I renew my complaint that I have not heard of any talk of cutting Social Security, and I don’t know where you get talk about it from. Reform yes, but not ‘cut’.

Reform = privatize…let the free market handle it…stop pumping tax dollars into it…which is a way of cutting funding.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:54:05am

re: #327 darthstar

I can see now why you’re a Rubio supporter. Where do you get this shit?

Simple: Even if the UK has an opt-out, the sight of unelected bureaucrats demanding nations take in refugees who will alter local demographics in ways not local advantage will cause anger in the UK and will as Dr. Lizardo hypothesized harden and strengthen anti-EU feelings.

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 8:54:35am

re: #296 Nyet

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*sigh* You see the replies? :(

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:54:43am

re: #329 Feline Fearless Leader

Or a man walking into a school and shooting 30-40 children?
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Senator powerfully indicts colleagues for gun control cowardice: “We are… http://t.co/TX1sg2AZII #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/u8sjcIqXIZ

— The Progressive Mind (@Libertea2012) September 13, 2015

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stpaulbear Sep 13, 2015 • 8:54:58am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Jeb basically says religious people read Christians should get special rights. Uh no.

The NYT editorial board tell Jeb! to go screw himself.

G.O.P. Anti-Gay Bigotry Threatens First Amendment

Edit: and it’s a perfectly apt description to call it GOP bigotry. There is only one D listed by the NYT as willing to go along with this discrimination.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 8:55:49am

re: #331 darthstar

Reform = privatize…let the free market handle it…stop pumping tax dollars into it…which is a way of cutting funding.

No, ‘reform’ means finding ways to get a better return on investment. No changes are to be made for retirees or those soon to retiree.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 8:56:15am

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with a couple bags of ANFO.” - Thomas TeaBag Jefferson

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 8:56:30am

This is pretty interesting, actually:

“We conducted research on kitchen culture, food and bread of Anatolian-Hittite cuisine dating back 4,000 years,” he said. Akkor added that the food was cooked by imitating the period’s conditions. “Ancient settlers wrote that they ate cold meat, cooked onion and bread on a festival day. They did not use yeast while making bread or cook them in moist ovens. The team tried to make it with pounded wheat, not sifted flour,” he said.

Also…..

During the excavations, findings about olive oil, honey, beverages and vegetables were also discovered. Underlining the hygienic measures taken in Hittite kitchens, Akkor said if a chef with a large, unmanaged beard or long, unmanaged hair cooks in the kitchen or an animal wandered into the kitchen, he or she used to receive a death penalty along with their family. The rule was valid for those who cooked without having a bath beforehand. “These rules show how the Hittites took sanitary issues very seriously 4,000 years ago,” he said.

Yeeesh……tough crowd, those Hittites. That’s taking food safety to a whole new level.

dailysabah.com

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 8:59:23am

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

Simple: Even if the UK has an opt-out, the sight of unelected bureaucrats demanding nations take in refugees who will alter local demographics in ways not local advantage will cause anger in the UK and will as Dr. Lizardo hypothesized harden and strengthen anti-EU feelings.

Refugees are not by and large permanently emigrating. They’re seeking temporary shelter. Yes, many will find new homes in their host countries and some assholes will have problems with that, but the crisis takes precedence. Soon the weather will begin to turn toward cooler temperatures and tens of thousands of people sleeping outside in the rain isn’t great optics. The EU is not just an economic entity. It really is a community. And that’s why so many EU countries are doing the right thing, and those that are moving slower are seeing their own people say, “What the fuck?”

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Dr. Matt Sep 13, 2015 • 9:00:03am

Another Texas High School Football Player Hits Ref

If this was Chicago, Fox “news” and am hate radio would make this an issue….and blame Obama.

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 13, 2015 • 9:00:14am

re: #322 darthstar

A tolerant country should be intolerant.
War is peace…

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 9:01:40am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

No, ‘reform’ means finding ways to get a better return on investment. No changes are to be made for retirees or those soon to retiree.

Define soon. Someone who is 63? 60? 57? 54? Eleven years isn’t a ton of time to build a new retirement strategy if one has been paying into another system the last thirty plus years.

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aagcobb Sep 13, 2015 • 9:02:46am

re: #326 Dark_Falcon

I renew my complaint that I have not heard of any talk of cutting Social Security, and I don’t know where you get talk about it from. Reform yes, but not ‘cut’.

Then you didn’t pay any attention to Christie’s plan.

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Dr. Matt Sep 13, 2015 • 9:03:04am

re: #322 darthstar

Jeb Bush: A ‘tolerant country’ should allow discrimination based upon ‘religious beliefs’ t.co #WhatADick
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) September 13, 2015

Watching the GOP clown car try to out bigot one another is quite amusing and a direct result from having a reality star as your leading candidate.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:03:11am

re: #340 Dr. Matt

Another Texas High School Football Player Hits Ref

If this was Chicago, Fox “news” and am hate radio would make this an issue….and blame Obama.

Only if the player was black, Latino and/or was Muslim. If the player was white or a Hindu of Indian ancestry, they’d ignore it.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:03:34am

@Libertea2012 So opposing ineffectual and badly written laws is ‘cowardice’ in your mind. There’s a word for your kind of stupid: Libtarded.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 13, 2015

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:05:07am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Every once in a while I just get annoyed enough that I can’t help throwing a verbal elbow.

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aagcobb Sep 13, 2015 • 9:05:38am

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

This is pretty interesting, actually:

Also…..

Yeeesh……tough crowd, those Hittites. That’s taking food safety to a whole new level.

dailysabah.com

A tad more severe than requiring posted grades at restaurants after health inspections.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 9:06:18am

She Endured 8 Days in Psych Ward Because Cops Didn’t Believe BMW Was Hers
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

Edit -Dark, I think you will appreciate a factor here. What about when registration fails to keep you out of terrible trouble, not with a gun, but a car!?

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 9:10:05am

What the fuck is this shit, I can’t even…

@David_Cameron What next? “Labour Party leaders are cultural marxists, alumni from the Frankfurt School?” *sigh* You just turned brown, sir.

— Teo (@Teukka72) September 13, 2015

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 9:10:23am

re: #340 Dr. Matt

Another Texas High School Football Player Hits Ref

If this was Chicago, Fox “news” and am hate radio would make this an issue….and blame Obama.

Ejected from the game? He should be ejected for the rest of the season. When his parents come in and say, “But he loves football, don’t take that away from him he’s just a kid” say he’s welcome to try out for the team again the next year.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:13:51am

re: #350 Teukka

What the fuck is this shit, I can’t even…

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Look at who Labor just made its leader: a friend of Putin who won’t bomb ISIS, who wants to withdraw from NATO and scrap the UK nuclear deterrant while ending the nation’s special relationship with the USA. I’d say PM Cameron has the right of it. Jeremy Corbyn makes Nancy Pelosi look like Paul Ryan by comparison.

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Dr. Matt Sep 13, 2015 • 9:16:04am

re: #351 darthstar

Ejected from the game? He should be ejected for the rest of the season. When his parents come in and say, “But he loves football, don’t take that away from him he’s just a kid” say he’s welcome to try out for the team again the next year.

This just happened yesterday. So, I’m guessing/hoping that the school district and/or University Interscholastic League will look into this well to hand down additional punishment.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 9:17:57am

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Every once in a while I just get annoyed enough that I can’t help throwing a verbal elbow.

And sometimes you make a complete ass out of yourself in doing so. The cowardice you just defended is true cowardice…it’s not a backing poorly written laws he’s asking for. It’s the complete refusal to even discuss the possibility that new laws might be necessary. That’s the cowardice of the GOP. How does it feel to be a part of that?

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dholmes32 Sep 13, 2015 • 9:19:40am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

This just happened yesterday. So, I’m guessing/hoping that the school district and/or University Interscholastic League will look into this well to hand down additional punishment.

The schools involved are private. Hyde Park High School is a Baptist school in Austin. I don’t remember (it’s been two decades since I lived in Austin) whether private schools were part of the UIL.

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 9:20:27am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Look at who Labor just made its leader: a friend of Putin who won’t bomb ISIS, who wants to withdraw from NATO and scrap the UK nuclear deterrant while ending the nation’s special relationship with the USA. I’d say PM Cameron has the right of it. Jeremy Corbyn makes Nancy Pelosi look like Paul Ryan by comparison.

Can I get sources for all of those allegations, please?
Also, you do realize that merely bombing ISIS won’t do shit, the battle has to be won with hearts and minds.

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darthstar Sep 13, 2015 • 9:20:34am

re: #353 Dr. Matt

This just happened yesterday. So, I’m guessing/hoping that the school district and/or University Interscholastic League will look into this well to hand down additional punishment.

Seriously…suspend him from a couple of games at a minimum. Don’t even let him suit up and ride the bus.

This is how a coach should address a player who pulls that kind of shit (this guy made a throat-cutting gesture after his end-zone celebration).

Florida’s coach went crazy on one of his own players (via @no_cut_card): http://t.co/X2Ep3BElef pic.twitter.com/M6gpPoYYWU

— SB Nation (@SBNation) September 13, 2015

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Dr. Matt Sep 13, 2015 • 9:22:10am

re: #355 dholmes32

The schools involved are private. Hyde Park High School is a Baptist school in Austin. I don’t remember (it’s been two decades since I lived in Austin) whether private schools were part of the UIL.

Ah. Good catch. I don’t know the answer either.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 9:22:47am

re: #354 darthstar

He has a point. Gun control advocates quite often look the other way at very poor laws in an effort to “do something” especially after a high profile shooting. Legit gun owners input dismissed as NRA propaganda etc.

Or pull off a slow motion ban like California has done. In a couple years no handgun will be legal for sale here as it lacks certain legally required technology that does not yet exist (well played Sacramento!) and will not help law enforcement even if it did.

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Dr. Matt Sep 13, 2015 • 9:26:50am

re: #357 darthstar

GF and I were watching the game live last night (she’s a gator) and saw Jim McElwain going ape-shit against his player. Pretty amusing. Great GIF here: Image: 1428016427661788194.gif

Glad to see coaches not tolerate this behavior and I’m glad the player humbly received the ass-chewing and didn’t back talk to his coach.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:30:08am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

The SBNation article was getting onto the coach.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:31:43am

re: #359 Great White Snark

He has a point. Gun control advocates quite often look the other way at very poor laws in an effort to “do something” especially after a high profile shooting. Legit gun owners input dismissed as NRA propaganda etc.

Or pull off a slow motion ban like California has done. In a couple years no handgun will be legal for sale here as it lacks certain legally required technology that does not yet exist (well played Sacramento!) and will not help law enforcement even if it did.

Which might be true if a lot of the laws being proposed only existed right after an attack. A lot of the bills have been around for a while, and they sit around collecting dust because no one wants to fix something when it’s not a problem. And then they don’t want to fix it because “it’s too soon.”

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:32:29am

re: #356 Teukka

You can have this.

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 9:33:39am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

You can have this.

Daily Fail?

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Iwouldprefernotto Sep 13, 2015 • 9:35:06am

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

You can have this.

How did the Iraq war work out for the Brits?

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:35:29am

re: #362 Belafon

What it is is that the issue of mental health (especially as it relates to guns) is both complicated, has the potential to be intrusive, and would require appropriations legislators are not eager to authorize.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:38:32am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

What it is is that the issue of mental health (especially as it relates to guns) is both complicated, has the potential to be intrusive, and would require appropriations legislators are not eager to authorize.

Cowards. Though maybe they aren’t true cowards. I’d have to talk to one to find out for sure.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 9:40:49am

re: #362 Belafon

Nobody here is arguing too soon. And plenty of bills sit around not passed because they suck. Speaking in general here, gun law process has the usual process based flaws but magnified because well guns. I support universal registration. I support safety classes and training and storage requirements as long as they remain reasonable by a common (Not NRA) definition. I reserve the right to oppose the slow motion ban here. The CCW ban imposed by LAPD off and on over the years. etc.

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stpaulbear Sep 13, 2015 • 9:41:13am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

What it is is that the issue of mental health (especially as it relates to guns) is both complicated, has the potential to be intrusive, and would require appropriations legislators are not eager to authorize.

Yes, it is cheaper and less intrusive to allow everyone to have access to a gun.
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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 13, 2015 • 9:41:14am

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

Here are Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn’s own words:

I have always campaigned against neo-colonial wars that are fought for resources on the pretence of fighting for human rights. We need an understanding of our past and our role in the making of the conflicts today, whether it be the Sykes-Picot Agreement or our interventions in the Middle East post 9/11.

I argue for a different type of foreign policy based on political and not military solutions; on genuine internationalism that recognises that all human life is precious, no matter what nationality; and solidarity with the oppressed across the globe from the subjugated Palestinians to the displaced Chagos Islanders.

That sounds dire only if you’re in the weapons business. The west has been bombing various parts of the ME for more than a decade now. If bombing worked then we wouldn’t see tens of thousands fleeing the ME for Europe.

The region is awash with weapons and fractured along dozens, maybe hundreds of lines. Taking out one group will only enable others to expand if the action isn’t a part of a coherent strategy to advance peace and stability in the region.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 9:43:45am

re: #369 stpaulbear

Hmmm might the long sequence of legislative failures and cheapening of state mental health facilities to near non existence have played a part in mass violence? I would say so. Plays a big part in street violence no guns involved at all.

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aagcobb Sep 13, 2015 • 9:46:49am

re: #343 aagcobb

Then you didn’t pay any attention to Christie’s plan.

Lindsey Graham also wants to cut Social Security.

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stpaulbear Sep 13, 2015 • 9:48:57am

re: #371 Great White Snark

Guns don’t kill people, mentally ill people kill people.
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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 9:49:57am

The statecraft going on in the ME for the last few decades has made it a fucking huge mess. Bombing ISIS is just poking a stick at it.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 9:52:08am

re: #373 stpaulbear

I hope the sarc tags indicate you are not trying to hang that bell around my neck. Because the premise is utterly nonsensical. The premise that gun control and a better job of handling the mentally ill short of forced incarcerating the innocent are somehow mutually exclusive. If we can’t do both it’s a legislative fail as much as anywhere.

Surely one of the most mistaken ideas in the whole issue.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:53:43am

It looks like Moses Malone has died: richmond.com.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 9:59:20am

re: #375 Great White Snark

I hope the sarc tags indicate you are not trying to hang that bell around my neck. Because the premise is utterly nonsensical. The premise that gun control and a better job of handling the mentally ill short of forced incarcerating the innocent are somehow mutually exclusive. If we can’t do both it’s a legislative fail as much as anywhere.

Surely one of the most mistaken ideas in the whole issue.

I like how the gun discussion turned to mental health when it wasn’t brought up before. Trying to conflate mental health issues with gun issues is an attempt to derail a legitimate conversation. Perfectly sane people pull out a gun and shoot someone because they got angry.

Guns are designed to kill. The fact that they are means they need to be addressed, in addition to addressing mental health issues.

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Great White Snark Sep 13, 2015 • 10:01:10am

I have been assaulted in downtown LA twice over the years. . Nobody was armed, I never got seriously hurt but in both instances the guys that assaulted me were in need of treatment. One I’ll never really know as he was not caught. the other poor guy had been dosed with a PCP cigarette. That guy hurt a couple cops trying to arrest him for the assault and went to jail. Poor guy, small in stature and street homeless aged beyond his years. Could have got himself shot by LAPD had they displayed less patience.

So there ya go a real intersection of urban life, successful gun control, insane people on the street untreated, what a difference individual police decisions in use of force make. Propagandists try to play this modern life fractal equation as either or. Screw ‘em.

Anyway got an important phone call coming up, hoping to roll out something soon for all of us here to enjoy. *crossed fingers*

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 10:02:16am

There’s one other point regarding mental health matters of all kinds, and that is that while the legislature and the executive propose, it is bureaucratic agencies under the executive that dispose. And they sometimes try to avoid dealing with those who have more severe mental illnesses in favor of those who can be more readily helped. This is both to try to positively impact a larger number of people (which is an honorable motive) and to make sure their official statistics look good (which is a less-than-honorable motive).

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Dr Lizardo Sep 13, 2015 • 10:06:45am

Looks like the El Nino coming up here is gonna be a whopper.

The developing El Nino is stronger than the last major event of its type in 1997.

According to the US National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the UK Met Office, this El Nino is shaping up to be the strongest since records began in 1950.

El Nino is a natural phenomenon which occurs every two to seven years and lasts between six and 18 months.

In North America, where much of the south and west has been experiencing the worst drought in a century, the El Nino could bring the benefit of rain, although if the El Nino of 1997-98 is anything to go by, that rain could result in severe flooding and deaths.

Even Europe is not immune from the effects of an El Nino. If this year’s event follows the pattern of previous ones, then winter weather here could be colder and drier than average and last well into spring.

aljazeera.com?

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 10:08:37am

re: #370 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Let’s just call the guy a socialist and be done with him. It’s the patriotic freedom liberty thing to do. Being objective and thinking about things is for freedom hating commies.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:18:53am

Mental health needs to be addressed but at the same time, we need to stop assuming mental illness = violent. Mentally ill people are far more likely to be victims of crime than commit it.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:20:20am

I’ll take the right seriously on mental illness when they oppose mental health cuts. That is one point I give Kasich credit on.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:22:21am

We use mental health because the thought that a sound mind could plan mass murder scares the crap out of us.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:25:18am

And honestly fuck the NRA for telling the father of the murdered reporter not to be too emotional, the guy just lost his daughter and that’s what they say? Sorry I’ve ran out of patience for the gun lobby. They have no empathy for those who lose their families to guns. And then there was the NRA spokesman who blamed the minister in Charleston for his own death.

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 13, 2015 • 10:26:31am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Uh, huh-just like Reagan’s Tax Reform Act in the 1980’s. I just started my career in IT when he went into office. After the reforms were enacted my taxes went UP.

And so did a lot of other peoples.

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Dark_Falcon Sep 13, 2015 • 10:27:12am

BBL

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:31:02am

re: #354 darthstar

And sometimes you make a complete ass out of yourself in doing so. The cowardice you just defended is true cowardice…it’s not a backing poorly written laws he’s asking for. It’s the complete refusal to even discuss the possibility that new laws might be necessary. That’s the cowardice of the GOP. How does it feel to be a part of that?

It’s also the deflecting to blame everything from music to increased tolerance of glbr people so the poor widdle guns won’t get criticized. Yep it’s cowardice by a party who the gun lobby controls by the balls.

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Teukka Sep 13, 2015 • 10:36:09am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

Mental health needs to be addressed but at the same time, we need to stop assuming mental illness = violent. Mentally ill people are far more likely to be victims of crime than commit it.

Can’t upding this enough. A part of the stigmatization of mental illness is the notion that mentally ill people are violent. Far from all are.

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 13, 2015 • 10:38:52am

So I was thinking about how RWNJs complain about intolerant supposedly “tolerant” Liberals are about things.

Which led me to the question: What exactly does tolerance mean in this context?

Pondering that further, I came up with this: Tolerance means that I believe you have the right to believe and do whatever you want so long as such activity is legal, but it doesn’t mean I don’t get to call you an asshole when you do or say stupid stuff.

Is that the basic idea?

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 13, 2015 • 10:39:58am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I don’t like the gun lobby either. In fact, I say tear down the entire building!

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Higgs Boson's Mate Sep 13, 2015 • 10:41:26am

re: #381 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Let’s just call the guy a socialist and be done with him. It’s the patriotic freedom liberty thing to do. Being objective and thinking about things is for freedom hating commies.

He’s so ill mannered that he actually said that the £80 billion that Britain would spend on Trident would be better spent elsewhere. Trident is, for a military the size of the UK’s, like having chrome plated tracks on their tanks.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:42:19am

re: #391 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t like the gun lobby either. In fact, I say tear down the entire building!

I wouldn’t shed a tear if the NRA and GOA had to declare bankruptcy. They’re racists too.

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jaunte Sep 13, 2015 • 10:43:07am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

So I was thinking about how RWNJs complain about intolerant supposedly “tolerant” Liberals are about things.

It’s just another technique they can use for saying “shaddup” when you argue with their pronouncements.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:44:14am

re: #389 Teukka

Can’t upding this enough. A part of the stigmatization of mental illness is the notion that mentally ill people are violent. Far from all are.

Yep and it causes societal fear. Lanza and Rodger are a big part of why I don’t disclose my Asperger’s to prospective employers and dates. Most people are tolerant mind you but I take no chances.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:46:32am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

So I was thinking about how RWNJs complain about intolerant supposedly “tolerant” Liberals are about things.

Which led me to the question: What exactly does tolerance mean in this context?

Pondering that further, I came up with this: Tolerance means that I believe you have the right to believe and do whatever you want so long as such activity is legal, but it doesn’t mean I don’t get to call you an asshole when you do or say stupid stuff.

Is that the basic idea?

I’m tolerant to a point. I can tolerate their wacko beliefs when it’s just that but when it’s what Davis wants which is to actually discriminate then all bets are off.

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Eclectic Cyborg Sep 13, 2015 • 10:48:05am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

I’m tolerant to a point. I can tolerate their wacko beliefs when it’s just that but when it’s what Davis wants which is to actually discriminate then all bets are off.

Makes sense. There’s a difference between believing what you want and actively forcing those beliefs on others.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 10:49:53am

re: #397 Eclectic Cyborg

Makes sense. There’s a difference between believing what you want and actively forcing those beliefs on others.

Right, which is why the idea that Davis is having her rights violated is laughable at the very least.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 10:52:39am

The Never-Ending Stadium Boondoggle

You and I continue to foot a large part of the bill for America’s billionaire sports owners.

Are you ready for some football?

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FormerDirtDart Sep 13, 2015 • 10:59:29am

Kim Davis mocked by ‘marriage’ billboard in her hometown http://t.co/2FZvG91OKJ pic.twitter.com/SIQQAJdvbg

— NBC News (@NBCNews) September 13, 2015

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Eric The Fruit Bat Sep 13, 2015 • 11:04:40am

re: #399 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

And the ironies of ironies: The CATO institute (aka The Koch paid shills) has constantly bemoaned about these subsidies, and yet their Golden Boy Scott Walker went ahead and gave the Milwaukee Bucks owner a cool $250 million in Tax Breaks by stealing that same amount from the University of Wisconsin System.

At least one person in CATO took notice, but used Jon Oliver as his shield.

SO in the end, nothing to see here, move along.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016 Sep 13, 2015 • 11:06:18am

Subsidies only suck when they help the poors.

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Belafon Sep 13, 2015 • 11:06:35am

re: #400 FormerDirtDart

@AmericanFact @NBCNews Any day now, because He couldn’t do something when the ruling came out. Probably too busy with football games.
— Lonnie Mask (@LonnieMask) September 13, 2015

“When are you going to strike them down, God?”

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 11:08:44am

re: #403 Belafon

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“When are you going to strike them down, God?”

He didn’t even do anything when Massachusetts started doing gay marriages back in 2004. This idea that SSM is going to cause some kind of divine retribution is just sick and mentally ill as fuck.

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Nyet Sep 13, 2015 • 11:09:36am

re: #323 Belafon

1. Calling oneself a Christian is not analogous to calling oneself a Democrat. For one thing, there is one Dem party with an official platform, but many Christian churches. There are further problems that make the comparison unreasonable.

2. Fugelsang’s definition is OK in the sense in which Jack Chick’s definition, that excludes Catholics, is OK.
Nobody prohibits private, sectarian definitions. But they’re useless in a non-sectarian context.

Any def that says that a Christian is only someone who is “doing the things that Jesus said people should do”, rather than using general descriptive statements like “believes there is God and Jesus is his resurrected Son” (or something akin to that) will be overly subjective, standing on a shaky ground, imposing the definitions of vague terms like “kindness” and “judging” on other people - and those will likely be modern definitions too.
The objections to such interpretations are not hard to predict: kindness is showing the gays the error of their ways, “judging” means something else and you know it too, or you wouldn’t be judging Davis, and so on. Moreover, you will be “proven” with thorough Biblical citations that Christianity is first of all about accepting Jesus as savior (or some other competing interpretation), and even if a Christian acts not in accordance with Jesus’ teachings, that makes them a bad Christian, not a non-Christian.

There are tens of thousands of volumes variously interpreting almost each word of the Bible, and you want to impose one “naive” (in a non-pejorative sense) interpretation on all Christians? Not gonna work. And any definition that excludes hundreds of millions of modern Christians, as well as 99% of the historical ones, is plainly useless.

One further problem is that for untold millions of Christians (formally - for all Catholics and the Orthodox) the Bible is not the only sacred book; the writings of the Church Fathers, interpreting the Bible and specifically Jesus’ words (sort of the Christian analog to the Talmud), and the statements of the Councils are almost as authoritative as the Bible. “Sola Scriptura” is a Protestant concept. While Davis is a Protestant, this still precludes any naive definition based on conduct, because you can’t take your own understanding of the Biblical teachings and apply it directly, without running it through the filter of the Tradition in case of these branches of Christianity.

Finally, this is not so much an argument as a word of caution: we want believers to be liberal; therefore we don’t want them to follow their sacred books strictly, because these books contain lots of outdated, often plain scary stuff. We want the believers to reinterpret these places in accordance with the modern norms. Conduct-based definitions based on naive readings of sacred texts are *not* conductive towards this goal.

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HappyWarrior Sep 13, 2015 • 11:11:03am

re: #402 Camacho DeezNuts 2016

Subsidies only suck when they help the poors.

Just like spending is only bad when it’s not on defense.

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A Mom Anon Sep 13, 2015 • 11:26:12am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

I’m not going to be popular for this, but I’m getting to the point where I no longer give two shits. Or even one.

My deepest wish for you, or for anyone who tosses around the “tarded”, be it lib, re, or conserva, is that you NEVER have to watch your own child fight and struggle to learn the simplest things. Not because he’s stupid, but because his brain is wired differently than most. I hope you never ever have to watch other kids drive by yours while he’s waiting for the bus and hear them scream “FUCKING RETARD!!! FAGGOT!” at him. Or to have kids throw bottles of tobacco spit at him that break all over his clothes so he has to come back into the house, heartbroken, to shower and change. I hope you never have to watch your child gather up all his courage not to cry, because boys don’t cry, when he’s told he doesn’t belong somewhere because he’s “retarded”. I seriously pray you never ever have to feel that, because I swear, I would rather be beat with a fucking hose than feel that. And if I feel that, the depth to which he feels it is something so heart shattering I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. It’s not ok. It’s just not.

I am normally not the word police, because I curse like a fucking sailor and I’m not always the sweetest little petunia in the garden. But this word, and the variations of it in this context sucks. I’ll shut up now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Sep 13, 2015 • 11:30:48am

re: #389 Teukka

Can’t upding this enough. A part of the stigmatization of mental illness is the notion that mentally ill people are violent. Far from all are.

It has to do with the fact that a lot of violent people are mentally ill,,,

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A Cranky One Sep 13, 2015 • 11:31:47am

re: #407 A Mom Anon

Thank you. I had the same reaction to the use of the word. Down-dinged Dark’s comment for that reason.

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ipsos Sep 13, 2015 • 11:35:31am

re: #409 A Cranky One

Me three.

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Reality Based Steve Sep 13, 2015 • 11:37:18am

So Kim davis is getting ready to keep not doing the thing the judge told her to not not do. My guess it’s that her argument will be that since her deputies represent her, Havingt hem sign is the same as her signing the license.

Rand Paul haz a bad case of the sads because he isn’t the flakest candidate running.

Rick Perry finds that a new set of glasses doesn’t make him any more likable and says “screw you guys, I’m going home”

Does that pretty much sum up the news?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Sep 13, 2015 • 11:40:18am

i officially no longer understand what’s going on

A Monmouth University poll released Thursday found that in head-to-head matchups with nine top members of the GOP field, the real-estate mogul beat each of his rivals—except for Mr. Carson. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who for months was the field’s front-runner, lost with 37% to Mr. Trump’s 56%. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s margin was similarly poor: 38% to 52%. Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker lost 38% to 53%; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul 27% to 60%; Ohio Gov. John Kasich 29% to 62%; and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie 30% to 63%. Former Hewlett-Packard chief executive Carly Fiorina and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz came the closest, losing 37% to 50% and 41% to 48%, respectively.

In a matchup with Mr. Carson, Mr. Trump didn’t even come close. He lost with 36% of GOP voters’ support, compared with 55% for Mr. Carson. Neither candidate has ever held elected office.

wsj.com

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A Mom Anon Sep 13, 2015 • 11:40:38am

re: #409 A Cranky One

I don’t recall ever downdinging a comment here, (I may have, I just don’t think so) not even this one. I don’t think Dark Falcon is mean, but I hope he thinks about it before using it again. That’s really all I could hope for, is some thinking to happen. Hell I’ve used the word, in the past, but it’s not part of my vocabulary anymore. Too much sadness and hurt is evoked from it. There’s a huge difference between stupidity and disability, and yes, retard has other meanings, like stopping the growth of or inhibiting something, but lets be real about this particular context; it’s calling someone or a group of people stupid and belittling them. It’s meant to hurt and demean, it’s not conducive to any kind of meaningful conversation to figure out fixing things that are broken.

My two cents and a quarter anyhow….

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸ Sep 13, 2015 • 11:43:43am

re: #411 Reality Based Steve

So Kim davis is getting ready to keep not doing the thing the judge told her to not not do.

she is waiting for the issue to be decided once and for all by God The Angry Daddy zapping all the mean people

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CleverToad Sep 13, 2015 • 12:05:21pm

re: #407 A Mom Anon

Updinged in memory of my cousin, who had cerebral palsy and was partially deaf, and as a result was very difficult to understand in speech, painfully awkward in movement. They told my aunt when he was three that he should be put into a home for life because he was hopelessly retarded (this was 1958, when they had homes). She didn’t — she’d seen him come home from a trip to the grocery store and spell out words he had seen on packages using his alphabet blocks. At three.
He grew up being called a retard, being called dummy, being called stupid. Had an eidetic memory, wound up memorizing the Interstate road system as they built it out in the 60’s and 70’s; he worked with AAA proofing maps. Functional brain trapped in an inadequate body, and denigrated most of his life.
Yes, any variation of ‘-tard’ as an insult echoes. Late to the party, sorry to pile on, DF, but that immature elbow you threw looks like it caught people on the raw.

If ‘PC’ means ‘Pause for Courtesy’, I’m for it.

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palomino Sep 13, 2015 • 5:52:49pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Every once in a while I just get annoyed enough that I can’t help throwing a verbal elbow.

Too busy with your perverse man-child gun obsession to acknowledge the fact that we have a big fucking problem: far higher gun homicide rates than any other developed nation, all of which have stricter gun safety laws. Does that even matter to you?

I know you probably don’t actually fellate your guns, but it sure sounds like you have a close, intimate, and loving attachment to them. And thus empathy towards human firearm victims becomes secondary to love of an inanimate object. Like I said, it’s perverse.

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