Acoustic Shredding Par Excellence: Nick Johnston, “Sandmonster”

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Sandmonster - Official Music Video - Nick Johnston

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:16:14pm

And now, for some bad news:

Radiocarbon constraints imply reduced carbon uptake by soils during the 21st century

Soil is the largest terrestrial carbon reservoir and may influence the sign and magnitude of carbon cycle-climate feedbacks. Many Earth system models (ESMs) estimate a significant soil carbon sink by 2100, yet the underlying carbon dynamics determining this response have not been systematically tested against observations. We used 14C data from 157 globally distributed soil profiles sampled to 1-meter depth to show that ESMs underestimated the mean age of soil carbon by a factor of more than six (430 ± 50 years versus 3100 ± 1800 years). Consequently, ESMs overestimated the carbon sequestration potential of soils by a factor of nearly two (40 ± 27%). These inconsistencies suggest that ESMs must better represent carbon stabilization processes and the turnover time of slow and passive reservoirs when simulating future atmospheric carbon dioxide dynamics.

In other words, it had been presumed that the soils around the world would sequester the carbon we put in our atmosphere more quickly than the above reported data shows.

A large fraction of emitted carbon gets absorbed by the ocean, or used by plants and thus partially buried in the soils. That’s why the average annual increase in CO2 in the atmosphere does not rise as quickly as we are dumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:17:30pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:18:18pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:18:38pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:29:59pm

Creep-o-rama!

SEE IT: Kentucky clown arrested for lurking in woods

A Middleboro Police officer who spotted a man dressed as a clown lurking in the woods in the middle of the night arrested the bozo for disorderly conduct.
Jonathan Martin, 20, was also charged with wearing a mask in public, a violation of city ordinance, LEX 18 reported. The arrest comes as a rash of bizarre clown sightings have cropped up in at least six southern states.

The officer was driving through Middleboro around 1 a.m. Friday when he noticed Martin crouching down in a wooded area just off the side of the road, police said. The 20-year-old was in a black-and-white clown jumpsuit and a sinister clown mask featuring black stars around the eyes and a tiny top hat.

Gee, why wasn’t he shot?

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:35:54pm

So a hijabi woman has an interview on Playboy Magazine, and you’d expect the vitroilic outrage from the usual Islamophobic suspects, right?

Wrong.

Went through Twitter to gauge the reaction, and was disgusted:

These people conveniently forget that brother Malcolm X was also interviewed by Playboy Magazine, but you won’t see these hypocrites come out and burn effigies or hurl abuse at his grave for such an interview.

This depresses me.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:44:55pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:46:40pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

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Michelle’s next move: Senate.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:46:43pm

re: #6 electrotek

Do they know that Playboy is now nudity free?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:47:43pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

Do they know that Playboy is now nudity free?

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Well, everybody only bought it for the articles anyway, right?

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:48:50pm

re: #10 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Well, everybody only bought it for the articles anyway, right?

I want to buy the issue that has the interview with Malcolm X on it.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:51:03pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

Michelle’s next move: Senate.

It is respect and bipartisanship at its best. I like to see it, because it seems so rare.

(Gators are losing, I can’t even watch)

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:52:46pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

Look, the bottom line about Playboy is that its founder and majority of its audience had the typical male view of women as objects. Good or bad, old fashioned or ancient, that’s what is was.

Since Hefner was anti-religious he also picked up on certain counter-cultural themes and ran with those as an attempt to make Playboy more of social phenomenon.

Strange bedfellows - porn (soft though it was) and social issues - that’s what American wrought in the middle of the 20th century.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 3:55:21pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

I had to go to twitter to see what was the big deal with toilet paper roll-centers….

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:01:52pm

re: #15 freetoken

I had to go to twitter to see what was the big deal with toilet paper roll-centers….

They’re a big deal? Not just for parakeets?

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:04:49pm

LOL

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:05:03pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

They’re a big deal? Not just for parakeets?

I don’t know. I’m using Spy and your tweet didn’t come through completely - no picture.

コロコロ (also ゴロゴロ) = go around and around, or to whir

芯 = usually means “core” or “in the middle of”

中 = center

So it wasn’t clear what was going on.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:06:48pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:12:40pm

re: #18 freetoken

I don’t know. I’m using Spy and your tweet didn’t come through completely - no picture.

コロコロ (also ゴロゴロ) = go around and around, or to whir

芯 = usually means “core” or “in the middle of”

中 = center

So it wasn’t clear what was going on.

Yeah, I never get complete illustrated tweets in the Spy. In Twitter, the translation thingy provided only did the last word: persistent.

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Jay C  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:15:13pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

Creep-o-rama!

SEE IT: Kentucky clown arrested for lurking in woods

Am I remembering too many shlock B-list, made-for-TV cheapies, but doesn’t THIS:

Clowns have been spotted across the South in recent weeks. According to frantic 911 calls from Georgia to North and South Carolina, the jokers have been eerily prowling woods and even trying to abduct children.

In Virginia, law enforcement agencies in Tazewell and Dickenson Counties, as well as police in Bristol, have received reports of clown sightings in neighborhoods. In Tennessee, the Sullivan County Sheriff’s Office also received a clown alert last week at a Piney Flats apartment complex.

sound like a plotline lifted directly from something you’d normally only see on Syfy??

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:16:14pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Japanese have been doing strange things with pets for a long time.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:16:28pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

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I want that dress Michelle’s wearing! It is so damn perfect. (Hope T&L review it on Monday—then I’ll see how far out of my price range it is, but dayum, it’s a great dress)

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scottslemmons  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:18:15pm

re: #22 freetoken

Japanese have been doing strange things with pets for a long time.

Just the Japanese?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:20:49pm

Cuteness Attack - Vote Hillary for the cat’s sake!

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Jay C  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:21:08pm

re: #23 BeachDem

I want that dress Michelle’s wearing! It is so damn perfect. (Hope T&L review it on Monday—then I’ll see how far out of my price range it is, but dayum, it’s a great dress)

It’s probably a Tracy Reese design, so most likely available to those of us not fortunate enough to be FLOTUS Michelle Obama.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:23:35pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

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So newbie is fitting just fine?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:26:48pm

re: #21 Jay C

I want to say there was a series of creepy clown incidents a few years back…I think maybe in the northeast?

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451_Montag  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:29:01pm

OT but…

I’ve just watched Robert De Niro do an advert for Seara Gourmet meat products, a Brazilian meat product line on TV

Wow, talk about destroying an illusion. I will never be able to watch some of my favorite movies again.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:32:23pm

re: #29 451_Montag

OT but…

I’ve just watched Robert De Niro do an advert for Seats Gourmet meat products, a Brazilian meat product line on TV

Wow, talk about destroying an illusion. I will never be able to watch some of my favorite movies again.

I gave up on him when he turned out to be an antivaxer.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:32:52pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

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Vote Hillary or I cut the Ethernet cord!

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Timothy Watson  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:40:07pm

re: #30 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I gave up on him when he turned out to be an antivaxer.

God, really?

Ugh, just ugh.

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:41:01pm

Tasteless as fuck

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:43:55pm

Hang in there, Lizards.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:50:37pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:51:33pm

Times have changed, for the worse.

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:53:58pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Times have changed, for the worse.

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I’m not one to look at 1950s America with rose-tinted glasses at times, but that says a lot about political discourse today.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:56:02pm

Well, the dashcam video of the Keith Scott shooting is out.

Breaking Full Video: Charlotte Police release, dashcam video of Keith Scott shooting

It’s too low resolution to say for sure, but he does seem to have something in his right hand at about :54, and it could be a gun.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 4:57:34pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:01:31pm

If you watch and share nothing else in the next few days, watch and share this.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:04:36pm

re: #32 Timothy Watson

God, really?

Ugh, just ugh.

He said he was just asking questions and wasn’t really anti-vax. But he would recommend holding off until more is known or something equally as box-office take-in ass covering.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:05:18pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Well, the dashcam video of the Keith Scott shooting is out.

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Shit, I had a toy gun that looked exactly like that when I was a kid—like 55 years ago. Guess I was lucky. Oh yeah, I won the skin-color lottery, so no worries.

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:06:58pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

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I see your bunnies and raise you this:

Instagram

Hung out with some #rabbits and fed them lettuce and rabbit food at #okunoshima aka #rabbitisland #japan #bunnies #bunnyisland #island #cutethings

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:07:48pm

re: #42 ObserverArt

He said he was just asking questions and wasn’t really anti-vax. But he would recommend holding off until more is known or something equally as box-office take-in ass covering.

He tried to show Andy Wakefield’s propaganda film at the Tribeca festival and has been appearing with him at showings around the country. Any denials are ludicrous.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:10:48pm

re: #43 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Shit, I had a toy gun that looked exactly like that when I was a kid—like 55 years ago. Guess I was lucky. Oh yeah, I won the skin-color lottery, so no worries.

Looks a lot like a Colt. This is only significant because they’re high end - expensive - hand guns. $1000+ Really unlikely for someone who is hiding their gun from family. Spend that much people tend to want to show it off. Something is very rotten in Denmark.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:11:51pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:11:54pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

Times have changed, for the worse.

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I think that was once called respect for your opponent. /

Respect for one another is tough to come by with some people today.

In the context of the election, Trump has no respect for anyone.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:12:53pm
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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:14:05pm

re: #45 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

He tried to show Andy Wakefield’s propaganda film at the Tribeca festival and has been appearing with him at showings around the country. Any denials are ludicrous.

If you don’t separate artists from their art, life just gets boring and dull, because many of them will just disappoint you (at best) in their personal lives.

I’m not going to boycott De Niro for having anti-vaxxer tendencies, just as I still enjoy a lot of Jim Carrey’s stuff…that’s not to say that their personal beliefs (and the bully pulpit to promote them that they enjoy as a result of their stardom) doesn’t irk me to no end.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:15:44pm

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Odd for a guy whose profile is this:

I enjoy pie.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:18:50pm

re: #44 electrotek

I see your bunnies and raise you this:]

I raise you THIS:

Rabbit Stampede (Original) - Woman Chased By Hundreds of Rabbits - Cuteness

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:20:10pm

re: #52 Le Lapin Tueur

I raise you THIS:

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I’d better hop to it!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:20:46pm

re: #52 Le Lapin Tueur

I raise you THIS:

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It’s all ha-ha funny until Night of the Lepus breaks out.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:20:52pm

I really don’t know what to think of this, from Friday:

More say press is too easy on Trump than said so of Romney, McCain

From the headline one might think “well, good”…. but wait, there’s more. Look at the graphic:

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In which it would appear more people think the press is being too easy on Clinton, and that while many people think the press are too easy on Drumpfskind, more of the pollees also believe that the press is being too hard on Drumpfskind than on Clinton.

Which is running counter to the sentiments here.

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gocart mozart  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:23:14pm
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Jenner7  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:26:14pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Very hard to tell. I’ll tell you one thing. He didn’t deserve to be killed. He didn’t point the gun, his arms were down and he was walking slowly. They could have tackled him. They could have talked him down. There is more than just shoot to kill.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:27:54pm

re: #47 teleskiguy

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:30:19pm

re: #56 gocart mozart

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Okay…gotta ask/wonder, etc. Was this brought out two days before the debate to take away one huuuuuge Trump talking point about Hillary taking big bucks from banks for speeches, uh, pay to play with the banks?

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:32:40pm

We here are a very self-selected group (except when Stinky has to do some natural selection…) and are no doubt not at all representative of the American populace as a whole.

I scan the news feeds everyday, and I know just by inspection that a great amount of “media” is caught up into serving woo to people who are gullible. Everything from quackery to Ancient Aliens to (dare I mention) institutional religion.

I suspect that our self-selection here are for the hyper-rationalists. Archimedeans with attitude. Our sentiments just do not represent the majority of Americans.

So we guffaw at the masses who can’t separate Drumpfskind from his WWE/The Apprentice gimmicks.

Yet the same will vote for that gimmick.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:33:33pm
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jaunte  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:35:23pm

Great defense by Watson of the tripe he writes about chemtrails. “It’s popular!”

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:35:25pm

re: #59 ObserverArt

Okay…gotta ask/wonder, etc. Was this brought out two days before the debate to take away one huuuuuge Trump talking point about Hillary taking big bucks from banks for speeches, uh, pay to play with the banks?

On a Saturday? Nah, if they were trying to game the debate, it would have come out as “An Exclusive” somewhere Monday morning. This is out today because it _doesn’t_ play to the media’s prefered storyline.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:37:11pm

re: #46 William Lewis

Looks a lot like a Colt. This is only significant because they’re high end - expensive - hand guns. $1000+ Really unlikely for someone who is hiding their gun from family. Spend that much people tend to want to show it off. Something is very rotten in Denmark.

It’s one of the original Colt Mustang Pocketlite .380s, from the original ‘83 to ‘96 run, but it’s clearly beat to shit. New ones run about $600 and I don’t think you can get them in blue. If there’s a collectors premium for an older model it’s probably not any more than that in this condition.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:39:31pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

It’s one of the original Colt Mustang Pocketlite .380s, from the original ‘83 to ‘96 run, but it’s clearly beat to shit. New ones run about $600 and I don’t think you can get them in blue. If there’s a collectors premium for an older model it’s probably not any more than that in this condition.

Was thinking it was a .45 Commander but then, I don’t do Colt being a S&W shooter. Thanks for the correction. It still doesn’t fit the circumstances very well except as something that fell out of a back pocket ala “LA Confidential”.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:41:49pm

Keith Scott’s wife on her video repeatedly said just before he was shot: “Keith, don’t do it; Keith, don’t do it.” We don’t know what she meant. The ugly thing in many of these cases is that there is often just that bit of circumstantial evidence that allows not only police to get away with it, but for the casually racist public to think (and say) “s/he had it coming” without ever wondering why a life was so cheap. I could be wrong, but I think that this is a part of the gun culture that has been nurtured in the last 50 years. “Got a problem? My friends Smith and Wesson have a solution.” Washington Post, NYT, other sort-of-mainstream newspapers get blah comments on most topics, but post an article about guns and gun violence and fucking bat signal goes out within seconds. Anyway, I think police actions are to some extent a product of this mentality.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:44:34pm

OH THANK GOD! I was beside myself with worry.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:47:00pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Annoying as it is, that might just help with some younger people. Shrug. I’ll take anyone who helps drive a stake through the vampire heart of Trump.

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Snarknado!  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:48:22pm

re: #60 freetoken

Upding for Archimedeans with attitude.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:48:43pm

re: #68 William Lewis

I suspect you are correct. At least for the under-30 crowd. Kim’s endorsement of Hillary might even be more effective than Cruz’ endorsement of Drumpfskind.

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MsJ  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:50:31pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

OH THANK GOD! I was beside myself with worry.

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Honestly, I was worried. Very much so. This is a personality election equally as much, possibly more so, than one of worth, experience, and ability.

I’ll take a small win (Kardashian) with 15 million followers.

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Bass Reeves  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:52:44pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

So, at this point I’d like to point out that the police weren’t actually there for Mr. Scott. They were waiting to serve a warrant on somebody else, and knew nothing whatsoever about him. I would also like to point out that NC is an open carry state, so there should not have been a public health hazard for him holding a handgun in his car. They literally had no reason to interact with him in the first place.

But now days later, he was high (on marijuana) and armed and aggressive. And we’re not going to release the videos from the angle of the shooter, we’re just going to show you the victim’s back. We’re not going to talk about why we ignored the interaction and attempted calming of the situation by the spouse.

But I will say this, they sounded like they considered attempting first aid. I wonder if laying someone on their bullet wounds and pulling their hands behind their backs improves their medical state?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:53:10pm

re: #71 MsJ

Honestly, I was worried. Very much so. This is a personality election equally as much, possibly more so, than one of worth, experience, and ability.

I’ll take a small win (Kardashian) with 15 million followers.

Kim Kardashian will influence a hell of a lot more potential voters than Chachi.

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Skip Intro  Sep 24, 2016 • 5:58:35pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:00:19pm

re: #72 Bass Reeves

He definitely did not seem to be making threatening moves toward the police. He was moving slowly, and his hands were down by his sides.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:09:30pm
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Bass Reeves  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:09:34pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

I’ll have to correct myself, they seem to have released the video from the actual shooter, but that camera is in a crappy place, so most of the view is blocked by his head or pointing away from the action.

But still, having a gun in an open carry state, and apparently they left the scene and came back AFTER seeing the gun. Like, this is how you get riots.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:11:50pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

He definitely did not seem to be making threatening moves toward the police. He was moving slowly, and his hands were down by his sides.

In our free gun society, you can hold a gun in a non-confrontational easily if white. If black, nope. Boom.

We are basically still living in the slave era.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:12:08pm

re: #77 Bass Reeves

The bottom line is still this, though: in our society, a dark-skinned-man-with-a-gun is perceived as more dangerous than a light-skinned-man-with-a-gun.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:13:33pm

Freetoken and others who have lived in Japan may be interested in this. Today I heard an interesting story on “This American Life” about a man who put a phone box in his garden to connect spiritually with his cousin who had vanished in the waves of the tsunami that hit northeastern Japan on 3/11/2011. Over time, many people started to appear at his garden to use the phone box and the old rotary phone to call their vanished family members to leave messages of comfort. It hit me hard on a personal level because I lived nearby for two years in the late 1980s and visited this town and many others on the coast (I lived further inland and still have people there whom I consider family). But it is also touching on a human level for all of us. I’ve been crying for the last hour as I watched this video. It won’t help those who don’t understand Japanese, but the images are still poignant.

風の電話

Here is the “This American Life” link:

thisamericanlife.org

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:14:28pm
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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:15:13pm

re: #79 freetoken

The bottom line is still this, though: in our society, a dark-skinned-man-with-a-gun is perceived as more dangerous than a light-skinned-man-with-a-gun.

Even though a white “sovereign citizen” with multiple guns is far more likely to shoot and kill a cop than any black man.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:15:23pm
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dangerman  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:16:31pm

re: #79 freetoken

The bottom line is still this, though: in our society, a dark-skinned-man-withwithout-a-gun is perceived as more dangerous than a light-skinned-man-with-a-gun.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:17:19pm

re: #79 freetoken

The bottom line is still this, though: in our society, a dark-skinned-man-with-a-gun is perceived as more dangerous than a light-skinned-man-with-a-gun.

And if there’s no gun, and no man, but there is dark skin, there is still danger perceived. In Winslow, AZ, a trans woman Navajo was shot dead by a cop this year, for one

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:17:37pm

re: #80 Barefoot Grin

Freetoken and others who have lived in Japan may be interested in this. Today I heard an interesting story on “This American Life” about a man who put a phone box in his garden to connect spiritually with his cousin who had vanished in the waves of the tsunami that hit northeastern Japan on 3/11/2011. Over time, many people started to appear at his garden to use the phone box and the old rotary phone to call their vanished family members to leave messages of comfort. It hit me hard on a personal level because I lived nearby for two years in the late 1980s and visited this town and many others on the coast (I lived further inland and still have people there whom I consider family). But it is also touching on a human level for all of us. I’ve been crying for the last hour as I watched this video. It won’t help those who don’t understand Japanese, but the images are still poignant.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:20:13pm

re: #63 William Lewis

On a Saturday? Nah, if they were trying to game the debate, it would have come out as “An Exclusive” somewhere Monday morning. This is out today because it _doesn’t_ play to the media’s prefered storyline.

And does that not take away a talking point? If it kills the media, it kills Trump’s use of it too. The media can’t defend him. It shuts both sides up…especially Fox.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:20:21pm

re: #80 Barefoot Grin

That is so beautiful and so Japanese.

I only spent about a month there & mostly in the Tokyo region but in the early 80’s it was a fascinating set of lessons for a guy just out of the Army in Germany. Took a side trip to Thailand too. My mother was po’d at how I used my money but I’d say that I learned more in those couple of months than I did in all the time I spent in college classrooms.

“Forever gaijin” …

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:21:50pm

As a former high school debater, one of the things that irritates the living fuck out of me is when people talk about who “won” a political debate. There’s no objective measurement of who wins these debates - facts, supporting documentation, logic, all the things that count in a real formal debate simply don’t matter. The issue of who “wins” is decided by … the feelings of the journalists covering it.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:22:22pm

re: #80 Barefoot Grin

It works in lieu of a headstone (or a family marker in a Japanese cemetery, where cremains would be kept, or in the Butsudan.) In American culture gravesites are usually marked. People buy plots or niches, with markers, to be remembered, of course.

But they are also important for the living. We go to the plot or niche and have a tremendous need to talk to our dead family. In my journey through life one of the more enlightening phenomena is when I stand at a grave site and see what comes out of my mouth.

So yes, it is very touching and powerful form of human grief expression.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:24:23pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:30:57pm

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Mountains as art. Beautiful curtains of the #chilkat Range

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:32:34pm

re: #72 Bass Reeves

So, at this point I’d like to point out that the police weren’t actually there for Mr. Scott. They were waiting to serve a warrant on somebody else, and knew nothing whatsoever about him. I would also like to point out that NC is an open carry state, so there should not have been a public health hazard for him holding a handgun in his car. They literally had no reason to interact with him in the first place.

But now days later, he was high (on marijuana) and armed and aggressive. And we’re not going to release the videos from the angle of the shooter, we’re just going to show you the victim’s back. We’re not going to talk about why we ignored the interaction and attempted calming of the situation by the spouse.

But I will say this, they sounded like they considered attempting first aid. I wonder if laying someone on their bullet wounds and pulling their hands behind their backs improves their medical state?

Your comment bears repeating.

The cops had zero reason for ever approaching him. He was in a car—did they run the tags? Doubtful. The first approach was unmarked cars—how was he supposed to know it wasn’t some guys coming to rob him?

I also hate that they refer to these innocent people that they kill as “suspects.” Until they kill them, they weren’t suspected of anything. Same with the guy in Baltimore who called 911 for an ambulance—cops show up and kill him instead of getting a fucking ambulance. And then they call him the “suspect.” Yeah, he suspected that he needed an ambulance, not a death sentence.

Officer Bowman controlled Suspect Boyd’s head and arms by holding him down with his arms while I held Suspect Boyd down by leaning on his buttocks/thigh area with my knees and using my arms.”

rawstory.com

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:33:31pm

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One step at a time.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:38:10pm

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Another reason why telemark skiing in Japan should be on your bucket list. Sharing this one from telemark skier Martin Brennan | Hokkaido, Japan | Photo: Rene Kelly #SpreadTelemark

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:40:19pm

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Back on snow today and went straight into downhill with the MEN. It was no joke, but having SO much FUN!!!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:40:55pm

re: #88 William Lewis

That is so beautiful and so Japanese.

I only spent about a month there & mostly in the Tokyo region but in the early 80’s it was a fascinating set of lessons for a guy just out of the Army in Germany. Took a side trip to Thailand too. My mother was po’d at how I used my money but I’d say that I learned more in those couple of months than I did in all the time I spent in college classrooms.

“Forever gaijin” …

It’s funny, but I didn’t make it to Tokyo to live until the early 2000s. I was in Shikoku in 1982-83; Iwate 1988-1990; and Nara 1994-96. I still regret not going to South Korea or mainland China. I took a couple of long trips to Taiwan and a journey to Singapore. And, yes, we all are and will forever be gaijin to Japanese, even to many Japanese living here in America.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:42:12pm

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Happy birthday @gretegirl! This girl absolutely rips in “Here, There & Everywhere.” Make sure you come see her on the big screen this fall!
Photo: @grant_gunderson
@myswitzerland @volklskis #warrenmiller #bts #67 #inLOVEwithSWITZERLAND

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:42:36pm

It’s Saturday night, so I don’t feel bad about posting cool skiing pictures.

:)

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:43:10pm

I love skiing pictures. Hope we can one day have a chance to ski down Mount Demavand soon.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:43:18pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

It was 90 here today, so they look good to me!

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:43:32pm

re: #72 Bass Reeves

So, at this point I’d like to point out that the police weren’t actually there for Mr. Scott. They were waiting to serve a warrant on somebody else, and knew nothing whatsoever about him. I would also like to point out that NC is an open carry state, so there should not have been a public health hazard for him holding a handgun in his car. They literally had no reason to interact with him in the first place.

But now days later, he was high (on marijuana) and armed and aggressive. And we’re not going to release the videos from the angle of the shooter, we’re just going to show you the victim’s back. We’re not going to talk about why we ignored the interaction and attempted calming of the situation by the spouse.

But I will say this, they sounded like they considered attempting first aid. I wonder if laying someone on their bullet wounds and pulling their hands behind their backs improves their medical state?

Ayep, for days the cops have let simmer this idea that it was a case of mistaken identity or Scott doing “something suspicious” that warranted the cops zeroing in on him. But now, suddenly it’s they sighted him having a joint in his truck and decided that made too dangerous to just leave the fuck alone. They had to order him out, to the point they were prepared to bust a window, just to arrest him. Unmarked cops are supposed to be serving a warrant, but they take time out from that to bust a black man for smoking reefer.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:44:40pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:46:38pm

Not for the queasy.

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There was no farting around in training today. 💩 was real. #goprosnow

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:50:23pm

re: #104 teleskiguy

Not for the queasy.

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Funny how I could never imagine doing that yet I’d love to get a shot at a Luge sled which is possibly even more insane. :D LOL

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:50:44pm

re: #103 Barefoot Grin

I saw a few people tele skiing. I never understood what that was about.

It looks cool, is a great workout, and faceshots are easier to come by.

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@teleroots making a couple smooth turns with a bamboo lurk courtesy of Alta Ski Patrol. #FreeheelLife #SpreadTelemark

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:51:31pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

And then they kill him.

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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:57:27pm

I’ve been referring to our cats’ ‘outfits’ as complete, self-cleaning onesies.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2016 • 6:59:23pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:01:34pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

As a former high school debater, one of the things that irritates the living fuck out of me is when people talk about who “won” a political debate. There’s no objective measurement of who wins these debates - facts, supporting documentation, logic, all the things that count in a real formal debate simply don’t matter. The issue of who “wins” is decided by … the feelings of the journalists covering it.

I too, was a master debater in high school.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:05:00pm

HOW DARE YOU CALL US DEPLORABLE!!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:06:01pm

I can’t stop thinking what if Trump decides to knock over the podium and jump on Hillary and start pounding her like it’s Wrestlemania.

The Battle of the Billionaires takes place at WrestleMania

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:06:06pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:06:56pm

re: #110 Eclectic Cyborg

I too, was a master debater in high school.

Were you a cunning linguist?

//

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:07:18pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Also relevant: How easy it is to bait Trump into making a huge mistake.

A “Please Proceed” moment would make me a happy camper.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:09:56pm

re: #115 William Lewis

A “Please Proceed” moment would make me a happy camper.

I like the image of Hillary smiling as Trump (inevitably) calls attention to Flowers to go “Well Donald, while we’re calling attention to mistresses in the audience, let’s give one of yours a round of applause. Melania, go ahead and take a bow.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:11:53pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:20:18pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:34:03pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:35:51pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:38:59pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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majii  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:39:02pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

I don’t care how may times Trump trots Gennifer Flowers out. It still will not make me blame HRC for what her husband did. I don’t think the Trumpters “get” that this is 20+ years in the past, Pres. Clinton is still one of our most popular and well-liked former presidents, and most Americans tend not to hold a spouse responsible when his/her spouse cheats on them. I think what many GOPers really don’t like is that the Clintons are a true example of a married couple that actually believes in family values in that they decided to remain married to each other and work things out between the two of them. The bottom-line is that GOPers would have talked if they had broken up their marriage or if they had stayed together because that’s who/what they are. Plus, they’re more than willing to overlook the fact that some of the major players in their party like Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Donald Trump are not examples of family values politicians. They make me sick with their double standards. They pretend to hold certain values and principles in high regard, but when the rubber meets the road, they throw them into the nearest dumpster to support a politician they “like.” Second bottom-line—-they’re full of sh*t.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:39:38pm

re: #120 teleskiguy

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I can barely contain my suspense. Is he Latino or Muslim? The wingnuts need to know which stereotype this shooting will justify.

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electrotek  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:44:54pm

re: #121 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Suspect arrested in Cascade Mall shooting; attack may have been random

Guess it wasn’t another Elliot Rodger type of vendetta.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:45:40pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

I can barely contain my suspense. Is he Latino or Muslim? The wingnuts need to know which stereotype this shooting will justify.

Shooting four women in the makeup department? Smells like MRA to me.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:46:24pm

re: #122 majii

And then you have the Obama’s example where you don’t even have the problems of the Clinton’s marriage? It infuriates those who pretend to hold family values dear. Fuck them with a rusty bucksaw blade.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:53:01pm

re: #49 gocart mozart

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Ted Cruz 2020: I never endorsed that charlatain!

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:54:17pm
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majii  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:56:48pm

re: #123 Targetpractice

“I can barely contain my suspense. Is he Latino or Muslim? The wingnuts need to know which stereotype this shooting will justify.”

We won’t have to wait too long because the screenshots show the possible suspect has dark hair. Based on my long-term observations of how many on the right behave, that alone is enough to get them riled up and jumping to the conclusion that he’s either Latino/Hispanic or Muslim and an immigrant that should have never been allowed in the country. They never seem to need facts and they hate waiting before drawing conclusions about incidents and persons. I expect SMOTI to be the first to speculate on this incident because he seems to have a serious impulse control problem.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 7:57:45pm

Yes, this picture was taken today at Silverton Mountain in the San Juan Mountains in Colorado.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:00:55pm

re: #129 majii

“I can barely contain my suspense. Is he Latino or Muslim? The wingnuts need to know which stereotype this shooting will justify.”

We won’t have to wait too long because the screenshots show the possible suspect has dark hair. Based on my long-term observations of how many on the right behave, that alone is enough to get them riled up and jumping to the conclusion that he’s either Latino/Hispanic or Muslim and an immigrant that should have never been allowed in the country. They never seem to need facts and they hate waiting before drawing conclusions about incidents and persons. I expect SMOTI to be the first to speculate on this incident because he seems to have a serious impulse control problem.

Unofficial—according to witnesses where he was picked up in Oak Harbor, he’s a Turkish immigrant. Confirmed by his friends and family. No official announcement yet.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:01:33pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Unofficial—according to witnesses where he was picked up in Oak Harbor, he’s a Turkish immigrant. Confirmed by his friends and family. No official announcement yet.

Ah, rats!!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:01:59pm

re: #131 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Streaming newscast from KIRO.

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majii  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:06:29pm

re: #132 retired cynic

“Ah, rats!!!”

This is exactly my reaction to VRBK’s comment. If the info is correct, we’ll be subjected to Round 1001 of anti-immigrant bashing, and Trump will take to Twitter to claim again that he’s right about restricting Muslim immigration to America.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:09:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:09:05pm

Nate’s still out there trying to sell the horserace, generate those clicks and get paid. Really disappointing seeing this cashing by one of the biggest names in data driven journalism. In past elections he would have been the first to call out anybody doing what he’s doing now.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:10:23pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Nate’s still out there trying to sell the horserace, generate those clicks and get paid. Really disappointing seeing this cashing by one of the biggest names in data driven journalism. In past elections he would have been the first to call out anybody doing what he’s doing now.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:12:11pm

If he’s an Islamist, this facebook pic is kinda strange:

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majii  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:12:17pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Consider it a badge of honor that you don’t judge people based on the amount of melanin in their skin. Some people operate based only on tribalism. The dude probably hasn’t had as much contact with persons from different races and religions as you have had. It’s his loss.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:24:09pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:24:46pm

Obama is just such a regular dude.

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President Obama snaps a photo of former President George W. Bush, former First Lady Laura Bush and members of the Bonner Family following the opening of the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History. The Bonner Family are descendants of Ellijah B. Odom, a young slave who escaped to freedom.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:25:53pm

So is Uncle Joe

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Vice President Joe Biden greets 99-year-old Ruth Bonner, a daughter of a young slave who escaped to freedom, as Dr. Jill Biden greets another generation of the Bonner family who rang the Freedom Bell with the President and First Lady to mark the official opening of the Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:30:22pm

THE DEALS ON YOUR HEALTH WILL BE TREMENDOUS, BIGLY HEALTHCARE!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:32:24pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So is Uncle Joe

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:33:17pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:34:20pm

re: #142 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So is Uncle Joe

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It’s amazing that a daughter of a slave could be alive in 2016. Shows that slavery wasn’t as far back in time as some racists always like to claim.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:37:33pm

Time to crash. Good night, all.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:39:38pm

re: #147 William Lewis

Time to crash. Good night, all.

Hope you are feeling better!

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:42:52pm

It’s not a violent riot, it’s a raucous celebration!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:43:36pm

2 things:

1, while it does appear that the polls Nationally are beginning to open up towards Hillary again, on the state level, there seems to be a lag. Is that true.

2, very worried about the debates, as it looks like CNN and NBC want to give the debate to Trump.

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Interesting Times  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:44:09pm

re: #138 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

If he’s an Islamist, this facebook pic is kinda strange:

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:44:30pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:45:23pm

re: #150 Ziggy_TARDIS

I *really* wish I could give you some cannabis.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:47:16pm

re: #153 teleskiguy

I *really* wish I could give you some cannabis.

They should be passing it out nationwide!

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:49:19pm

re: #154 retired cynic

They should be passing it out nationwide!

Not only do I think cannabis should be legal, I think it should be *mandatory.*

-Bill Hicks

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:49:57pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:50:21pm

re: #146 Patricia Kayden

It’s amazing that a daughter of a slave could be alive in 2016. Shows that slavery wasn’t as far back in time as some racists always like to claim.

More amazing that she could mark her 100th year by seeing the first Female president elected.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:50:54pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

Speaking of facebook…

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Good find—nobody on TV was writing down his name. I had the first name mentally spelled correctly (bare “c” for j-sound) but I was hearing F-A-K or T-I (dotted or not)-N or M, so I would never have found it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:51:58pm

Just watched the first episode of “This is Us”’ with my wife. Looks like it could be a good one.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 8:57:05pm

Oh, this looks to be interesting.

Our shooter’s twitter, and who he follows. Give me 5 minutes.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:00:36pm

Ok, a few things.

One: Follows not a single Muslim, but there are a lot of Bible Quotes for the people he follows.

Two: He follows multiple MHP accounts. The MHP is a hardline, secularist, hyper-nationalist party in Turkey. Racist, and populist which leads to….

Three: He was following a Pro-Trump Account.

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Interesting Times  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:04:38pm

re: #161 Ziggy_TARDIS

See my 151 as well. Talk about upending initial stereotypes - I have no idea how to interpret this.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:07:21pm

re: #161 Ziggy_TARDIS

More info on the MHP, as they are charming bunch:

In July 2015, inmidst a wave of protests against the Xinjiang conflict, MHP-affiliated Ülkücü attacked South Korean tourists on Istanbul’s Sultanahmet Square.[27] In an interview to Turkish columnist Ahmet Hakan, MHP leader Devlet Bahçeli played the attacks down,[28] stating that “These are young kids. They may have been provoked. Plus, how are you going to differentiate between Korean and Chinese? They both have slanted eyes. Does it really matter?”[29] Bahceli’s remarks were widely considered racist, and together with a banner reading “We crave Chinese blood” at the Ülkücü Istanbul headquarters, the affair caused an uproar in both Turkish and international media.

The Grey Wolves is their Paramilitary Wing.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:08:14pm

re: #162 Interesting Times

Gordian Knot solution:

He’s an MHP fanboy. That literally fits every piece of evidence, including the Trump support.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:10:19pm

re: #162 Interesting Times

See my 151 as well. Talk about upending initial stereotypes - I have no idea how to interpret this.

There was something on the news about him possibly having been abused by his uncle earlier in life, and having had boyfriends and girlfriends in the past. I’m getting a very Omar Mateen vibe—but of course in the public mind his nationality will trump his motivation.

News conference coming up at 9:30 supposedly….

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:11:16pm

re: #162 Interesting Times

Someone on FARK noticed something in his twitter history.

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:12:15pm

re: #144 Barefoot Grin

God, I love Joe.

He’s going to be in SC this week to raise money for Fran Person, his former aide, who is running against Mick Mulvaney for Congress. (Friends are going to a fundraiser in Charleston—I’m not—sniff) Person is one of the rare dems in this state who is actually raising a bunch of money (having old handsome Joe helping you doesn’t hurt!)

He probably won’t win because it is south by dog carolina, but it is fun to watch a fired up campaign that is at least making the Republicans sweat.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:16:27pm

re: #163 Ziggy_TARDIS

The Grey Wolves are most famous because of their alleged connection to the man who attempted to assassinate John Paul II.

They are also behind anti-Kurdish violence in Europe.

So, uh, do we have names of the victims yet, because I could almost see a Kurd being a fatality.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:20:20pm
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Great White Snark  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:24:31pm

So I hired a drone pilot to get some footage in difficult airspace. Thanks to some local help and some flying skills we have some great footage. I just wanted to share a little bit of the fun part after the serious shots were done. We had to fly from private property, stay under 400 feet and not present any kind of hazard. The airspace is the Los Angeles Jewelry district. Shot in 4k. Just kinda first pass edited. Hope you guys enjoy a peek. No sound, just a color test

YouTube

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:29:52pm

re: #170 Great White Snark

Really cool!

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Great White Snark  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:32:52pm

re: #171 retired cynic

Thanks. It was a trip getting there. Meetings, LAFilm rules, FAA and insurance. Going back for some pick up shots but this will be used in a number of ways. primarily in a historical documentary about the LA Jewelry district as told by a local jewelry family biz over four generations. From 1918 through current. The drone stuff is all for the 3rd act where the district is going next.

I’m so used to being the camera guy, directing a crew of good pros is really empowering.

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Interesting Times  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:32:55pm

re: #164 Ziggy_TARDIS

Gordian Knot solution:

He’s an MHP fanboy. That literally fits every piece of evidence, including the Trump support.

Of course, if you google his name now, the top results are filled with the likes of SMOTI, Geller, JihadWatch, etc, all screaming TURKISH MOOSLEM!!11!!

And based on this Jan 18 2015 tweet, people are also claiming he supports HRC. But that makes zero sense if you look at these follow-ups:

…so I think the older one is sarcasm on his part, especially in light of the stuff you found.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:35:27pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

As for case, he seems a lot like Roosh V.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:39:18pm

Ok, no Kurds were among the victims. But it looks like our shooter was not Muslim, and heavily supported Trump.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:41:21pm

re: #175 Ziggy_TARDIS

You’re starting to sound like RWNJs who get all giddy and happy when they find out that a Muslim committed mass murder.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:41:41pm

re: #170 Great White Snark

So I hired a drone pilot to get some footage in difficult airspace. Thanks to some local help and some flying skills we have some great footage. I just wanted to share a little bit of the fun part after the serious shots were done. We had to fly from private property, stay under 400 feet and not present any kind of hazard. The airspace is the Los Angeles Jewelry district. Shot in 4k. Just kinda first pass edited. Hope you guys enjoy a peek. No sound, just a color test

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Nice shot! Really like it!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:42:30pm

Zuhdi Jasser is using Cetin to attack the mainstream Muslim Community.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:45:02pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

You’re starting to sound like RWNJs who get all giddy and happy when they find out that a Muslim committed mass murder.

I’m not giddy, but I am grateful it doesn’t play into a bad scenario. It doesn’t change the disaster for the people who were killed, all the families involved.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:46:53pm

re: #176 teleskiguy

I’m not giddy, I am relieved that American Muslims can’t be blamed for this, and that this time, the shoe is on the other foot.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:48:38pm

So. I just watched the first episode of the Exorcist tv series. And well. Holy shit.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:50:02pm

re: #181 GlutenFreeJesus

So. I just watched the first episode of the Exorcist tv series. And well. Holy shit.

So, is it good shit, or bad shit?

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2016 • 9:56:55pm

re: #182 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

So, is it good shit, or bad shit?

I think you can assume it’s good shit.

No stems, no seeds, sticky buds.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:00:54pm

re: #180 Ziggy_TARDIS

I’m not giddy, I am relieved that American Muslims can’t be blamed for this, and that this time, the shoe is on the other foot.

Then your relief must be measured, because on this end I can almost see the smile on your face.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:02:05pm

I agree. Lovely!

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:02:13pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Point taken.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:02:41pm

re: #182 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Very very good. Might not sleep well tonight.

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ninja cat  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:17:44pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

Speaking of facebook…

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:27:18pm

re: #188 ninja cat

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Yeah, women buying cosmetics at a department store. Real tough dude.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:28:20pm

Tonight in Charleston, SC, my favorite band! They got back up and finished the song.

Instagram

Rock stars. @umphreysmcgee #umphreys

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ninja cat  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:29:47pm

Looking thru his posts on FB I just get the sense of a pretty annoying, rejected male. Not getting any real politics vibe.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:32:29pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

Tonight in Charleston, SC, my favorite band! They got back up and finished the song.

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Lordy!

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:36:53pm

So the mass shooter in Washington state is in jail tonight. Is The Donald™ going to go off on the campaign trail about how well he’s being treated and how he’s going to have the best lawyers and that - in essence - he should be tortured for more information and then starved to death?

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:37:22pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

Probably, if history is our guide.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2016 • 10:41:50pm

I guess we’re going to have to ban all immigrants/visitors from Turkey now, too, no?

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Bass Reeves  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:06:36pm

I have to admit, I was not expecting this. What’s frightening is the amount of the people who think this ruling gives preferential treatment to black people. I’m sure a venn diagram of that population and the population that thinks you can shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect overlaps almost perfectly.

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austin_blue  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:06:46pm

The shooter appears to be a blivit, an old military term that means a highly negative, but uncertain level of negativity. It assumes a huge level of shit, but the ultimate definition is decidedly unclear.

If I was looking for a definition of how to describe this guy tonight, given the dearth of information available, I would say say he was an American clone of Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turk who shot the pope in 1981 after murdering a journalist in 1979. He claimed that he was a lone wolf assassin and associated with the Grey Wolves. He was a freelance sociopath.

en.wikipedia.org

This has nothing to do with refugees, immigrants, or terrorists. That’s the salient point.

Yes, yes, I know it’s a pointless argument, in this cycle, but it must be said. This was a partisan, not terrorist, shooting. The nuance will be lost among the gaspers.

And good night, all. What a fucking brutal election cycle. A sweet and scaly dreamscape is my best wish for all of you.

Just hoping for some clarity when the debates begin. Sheesh.

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Bass Reeves  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:14:05pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Before you get too harsh, realize you aren’t part of a population that routinely gets scapegoated when something bad happens, and continues to get scapegoated even when there is no actual connection (Pulse). Emotions are complex and it seems to me perfectly understandable to both have sadness and relief here.

RWNJs are different, because they never actually care about the victims except to use them as cudgels.

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danarchy  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:14:33pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

I want to say there was a series of creepy clown incidents a few years back…I think maybe in the northeast?

If you go to youtube and search for “creepy clown surveillance” there are tons of these things where people dressed as clowns walk up to surveillance cameras in the middle of the night and either just stand there looking creepy or doing weird stuff.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:16:57pm

re: #199 danarchy

If you go to youtube and search for “creepy clown surveillance” there are tons of these things where people dressed as clowns walk up to surveillance cameras in the middle of the night and either just stand there looking creepy or doing weird stuff.

No thank you, I’d like to sleep tonight.

Half /

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:17:13pm

Michelle *killed it* with that dress. That is seriously some cool shit.

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prairiefire  Sep 24, 2016 • 11:43:05pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Literally all encompassing circle of acceptance.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2016 • 12:23:23am

Few words demonstrate the trodden nature of contemporary language as well as that crutch of modern American vernacular: “virtual”.

Poll: Clinton, Trump in virtual dead heat on eve of first debate

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump will meet Monday night for their first debate in a virtual dead heat in the race for the White House, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, with the Democratic nominee’s August advantage erased after recent difficulties and the GOP nominee still facing doubts about his qualifications and temperament.

Likely voters split 46 percent for Clinton and 44 percent for Trump, with Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson at 5 percent and Green Party nominee Jill Stein at 1 percent. Among registered voters, Clinton and Trump are tied at 41 percent, with Johnson at 7 percent and Stein at 2 percent.

[…]

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Decatur Deb  Sep 25, 2016 • 1:30:40am

It’s Three-thirty in Birmingham. That should be a Stones song, but it isn’t.

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teleskiguy  Sep 25, 2016 • 1:44:44am

Shouldn’t the United States be ahead with this stuff? I don’t know, man.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2016 • 1:46:29am

re: #205 teleskiguy

Shouldn’t the United States be ahead with this stuff? I don’t know, man.

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Well, the US briefly funded SETI for awhile, but that got shot down sometime in the 1990s, as I recall.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 25, 2016 • 1:48:00am

re: #205 teleskiguy

Shouldn’t the United States be ahead with this stuff? I don’t know, man.

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Puerto Rico has been ahead since 1960. But they don’t have much snow.

en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Sep 25, 2016 • 1:52:19am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Well, the US briefly funded SETI for awhile, but that got shot down sometime in the 1990s, as I recall.

SETI—acoustic snipe hunting.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2016 • 2:12:46am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

It’s Three-thirty in Birmingham. That should be a Stones song, but it isn’t.

Tell me about it. Went to bed at 10. Woke up at 1:30 with a coughing fit, haven’t been back to sleep yet. Been reading 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed about the first great collapse of history from civilization to a dark age. Not conducive to happy thoughts. Great book, summarizing the current state of knowledge but still more than a wee bit depressing.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2016 • 2:19:56am

re: #209 William Lewis

Tell me about it. Went to bed at 10. Woke up at 1:30 with a coughing fit, haven’t been back to sleep yet. Been reading 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed about the first great collapse of history from civilization to a dark age. Not conducive to happy thoughts. Great book, summarizing the current state of knowledge but still more than a wee bit depressing.

I’ll have to look for that; I didn’t know there was a book on the Late Bronze Age Collapse. Sounds interesting.

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CarolJ  Sep 25, 2016 • 2:32:30am

re: #157 Eclectic Cyborg

My late mother was born in 1920 (she passed this year), the first year women could vote. She lived to see the first black president and doubtless voted for him. If she lived a few more months, she would have voted for Hillary. This woman, who could have been her older sister, will probably have done both.

Progress.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 25, 2016 • 2:36:06am

re: #209 William Lewis

Tell me about it. Went to bed at 10. Woke up at 1:30 with a coughing fit, haven’t been back to sleep yet. Been reading 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed about the first great collapse of history from civilization to a dark age. Not conducive to happy thoughts. Great book, summarizing the current state of knowledge but still more than a wee bit depressing.

“It is from their foes, not their friends, that cities learn the lesson of building high walls.”
—Civ4

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:19:55am

re: #209 William Lewis

Tell me about it. Went to bed at 10. Woke up at 1:30 with a coughing fit, haven’t been back to sleep yet. Been reading 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed about the first great collapse of history from civilization to a dark age. Not conducive to happy thoughts. Great book, summarizing the current state of knowledge but still more than a wee bit depressing.

Thanks for the tip. I just bought it for my Kindle. I’m fascinated by ancient history.

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2016 • 3:34:32am

Heh. Good to hear that my lack of sleep is good for someone :)

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:07:16am

re: #211 CarolJ

My late mother was born in 1920 (she passed this year), the first year women could vote. She lived to see the first black president and doubtless voted for him. If she lived a few more months, she would have voted for Hillary. This woman, who could have been her older sister, will probably have done both.

Progress.

My condolences on your mother’s passing.

My mother is a generation younger (1940) so I presume (hope) she’ll be around for a while longer yet, and will see the first woman elected for President.

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weave  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:20:29am

Ted Cruz on Trump four months ago. 😭

Ted Cruz unloads on Trump

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:32:20am

re: #216 weave

Ted Cruz on Trump four months ago. 😭

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Once again proving politics makes strange bedfellows.

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weave  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:37:44am

re: #217 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Once again proving politics makes strange bedfellows.

My Christian relatives tell me that Cruz is being a good Christian and practicing forgiveness, to which I say “please show me where Trump ever apologized to Ted Cruz for the things he said about his family. “

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BeenHereAwhile  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:52:30am

re: #204 Decatur Deb

It’s Three-thirty in Birmingham. That should be a Stones song, but it isn’t.

WHEN THE BULLET HITS THE BONE

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CarolJ  Sep 25, 2016 • 4:57:30am

re: #215 Anymouse Thank You.

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Weaselone  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:03:20am

re: #218 weave

A good Christian is supposed to forgive others before sundown. An spineless, unprincipled weasel forgives shortly after the RNC promises to make his life difficult if he doesn’t offer an endorsement.

Although in fairness to Cruz, Donald says about 50 things a day that require forgiveness.

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weave  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:07:39am

re: #221 Weaselone

A good Christian is supposed to forgive others before sundown. An spineless, unprincipled weasel forgives shortly after the RNC promises to make his life difficult if he doesn’t offer an endorsement.

You’re right. You don’t have to get an apology to be forgiving. I stand corrected. But we *are* in agreement Cruz is the weasel. His motivation almost certain is not forgiveness else it would have happened “before sundown” as you said.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:29:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:31:44am

re: #195 freetoken

I guess we’re going to have to ban all immigrants/visitors from Turkey now, too, no?

Islamic country, yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:32:53am

re: #197 austin_blue

This has nothing to do with refugees, immigrants, or terrorists. That’s the salient point.

Yes, yes, I know it’s a pointless argument, in this cycle, but it must be said. This was a partisan, not terrorist, shooting. The nuance will be lost among the gaspers.

The argument is this: if we had not let any Muslims/Mexicans into our country, this shooting would not have happened!

Hard to argue with anyone who embraces that sort of logic.

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Jayleia  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:42:51am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hard to argue with anyone who embraces that sort of logic.

As Cousin Slowhands might say “Two theories when arguing with yak. Neither one works.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:43:23am

The New York Times has endorsed Hillary Clinton, which is not too surprising since the Times has traditionally favored Democrats.

Rather than compare Clinton to Trump, the editorial board reviewed Clinton’s substantial accomplishments as a public servant, while dismissing as largely irrelevant her few faults. Of Trump, the editorial says little, except for this nice little dig in the closing paragraph. The Big Yam will probably have some snappy snippy comeback on Twitter soon.

Through war and recession, Americans born since 9/11 have had to grow up fast, and they deserve a grown-up president. A lifetime’s commitment to solving problems in the real world qualifies Hillary Clinton for this job, and the country should put her to work.

nytimes.com

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 5:45:33am
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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:09:36am

re: #227 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The New York Times has endorsed Hillary Clinton, which is not too surprising since the Times has traditionally favored Democrats.

Rather than compare Clinton to Trump, the editorial board reviewed Clinton’s substantial accomplishments as a public servant, while dismissing as largely irrelevant her few faults. Of Trump, the editorial says little, except for this nice little dig in the closing paragraph. The Big Yam will probably have some snappy snippy comeback on Twitter soon.

nytimes.com

yeah - this:

In any normal election year, we’d compare the two presidential candidates side by side on the issues. But this is not a normal election year. A comparison like that would be an empty exercise in a race where one candidate—our choice, Hillary Clinton—has a record of service and a raft of pragmatic ideas, and the other, Donald Trump, discloses nothing concrete about himself or his plans while promising the moon and offering the stars on layaway. (We will explain in a subsequent editorial why we believe Mr. Trump to be the worst nominee put forward by a major party in modern American history.)

i’m waiting for part 2

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:11:19am
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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:11:21am

huffpo.

In fact, in reviewing nearly every publicly available video of a police shooting over the past year or so, it is close to impossible to find footage of an officer aiding the person who has been shot.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:17:12am

re: #229 dangerman

yeah - this:

i’m waiting for part 2

Should be epic.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:17:38am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

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“Hillary’s inviting Mark Cuban to the debate.”

“Well, I’ll invite Gennifer Flowers!”

“Great idea, boss.”

*One reaming in the media later*

“HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID?!”

“I’m not stupid, it was your idea!”

“WELL, FIX THIS!”

“Alright, it’s not happening, we’re revoking the invitation. In fact, we never invited her. And anybody who says different is lying to make us look bad. Quick, somebody scrub that tweet!”

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:21:47am

re: #233 Targetpractice

“…Quick, somebody scrub that tweet!”

Thank G-d the internet is forever. Keep retweeting it. ::: evil grin :::

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:27:36am

re: #234 PhillyPretzel

“…Quick, somebody scrub that tweet!”

Thank G-d the internet is forever. Keep retweeting it. ::: evil grin :::

Ayep. And when asked, they’ll first deny, then they’ll say it was a “joke,” then when asked how it’s funny to joke about Gennifer Flowers, they’ll scream that the media is being mean to them again.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:30:56am

re: #229 dangerman

to follow up:

trump has managed to cobble together enough poll/voter support to make a not implausable stab at the nom.

at the same time virtually no one other than the actual voting class supports him.

the workers want him to be the boss - almost like high school / popularity / student council.

the rest of management, the interviewers etc see that he hasnt a clue how to be an effective boss let alone understand the ramifications and nuance of the job.

one might call that populist, or anti-elitist (except for he himself), anti-establishment (also except for himself) anti-insider, party loyalty, whatever.

i think its something else entirely.

its a demonstration that those who use critical thinking to evaluate how/whether they think he can do the job, almost uniformly know he cant

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:32:44am

Today is Gold Star Mothers and Families Day. (My flag is out.)

Conservatives are still banging away against Hillary Clinton and Gold Star Families.

They still do not understand that though the deaths in Benghazi are tragic, the survivors are not Gold Star Family members. Gold Star Families are specifically defined in law as the direct survivors of military members who died in combat.

Ambassador Stevens family has asked that conservatives quit politicising his death. They also ignore the scores of people killed during the GW Bush Administration embassy attacks (blank stares on who Ambassador David Foy was).

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:32:53am

re: #233 Targetpractice

“Hillary’s inviting Mark Cuban to the debate.”

“Well, I’ll invite Gennifer Flowers!”

“Great idea, boss.”

*One reaming in the media later*

“HOW COULD YOU BE SO STUPID?!”

“I’m not stupid, it was your idea!”

“WELL, FIX THIS!”

“Alright, it’s not happening, we’re revoking the invitation. In fact, we never invited her. And anybody who says different is lying to make us look bad. Quick, somebody scrub that tweet!”

did i also read that her name was spelled “Jennifer” in the early tweet?

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:34:28am
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:35:08am

So, according to a wingnut on another board, Trump is now trying to rewrite the narrative by saying that Hillary can’t get in his head by inviting Mark Cuban, and he’s not going to invite Flowers but he will welcome Flowers’ vote.

This is the guy who almost half the nation supports, a man whose grip on reality is so tenuous that he can’t keep track of shit he did a day ago.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:37:01am

re: #237 Anymouse

They still do not understand

wilful ignorance and truth twisting that will never change because it does not fit their narrative.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:38:08am
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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:39:15am

re: #240 Targetpractice

So, according to a wingnut on another board, Trump is now trying to rewrite the narrative by saying that Hillary can’t get in his head by inviting Mark Cuban, and he’s not going to invite Flowers but he will welcome Flowers’ vote.

This is the guy who almost half the nation supports, a man whose grip on reality is so tenuous that he can’t keep track of shit he did a day ago.

scope of trump falsehoods unprecedented

and

a week of lies

both from politicalwire.com

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b.d.  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:41:03am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

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LOL, now no Flowers!?

Have the people who were cheering this on started saying how Trump never would have invited her anyways and that this is all a Dem. plant story?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:42:08am

Here is a wingnut who thinks Gennifer Flowers is “Hillary’s worst nightmare” WARNING: May cause brain cell loss.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:42:22am

re: #244 b.d.

LOL, now no Flowers!?

Have the people who were cheering this on started saying how Trump never would have invited her anyways and that this is all a Dem. plant story?

They’re being issued that very talking point now. Trump never actually invited her, it was just a ruse to shake up Hillary, he looks better for not giving in to the bait, yada yada. “It was a joke” won’t be far behind.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:43:40am
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:44:35am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a wingnut who thinks Gennifer Flowers is “Hillary’s worst nightmare” WARNING: May cause brain cell loss.

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It really is hilarious to watch the train wreck of the collision between yesterday’s talking point and today’s.

“Hillary is gonna be so embarrassed by Flowers being there and reminding everybody of Bill’s affair! Who’s gonna want to vote for a wife that let her man stray?!”

“Flowers was never invited, it was all a ruse and Hillary bought it! Look how dumb she looks for the Cuban invitation now!”

*WHAM!*

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:45:29am

re: #246 Targetpractice

They’re being issued that very talking point now. Trump never actually invited her, it was just a ruse to shake up Hillary, he looks better for not giving in to the bait, yada yada. “It was a joke” won’t be far behind.

interesting because she and her assistant have confirmed her attendance
buzzfeed

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b.d.  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:45:57am

re: #246 Targetpractice

They’re being issued that very talking point now. Trump never actually invited her, it was just a ruse to shake up Hillary, he looks better for not giving in to the bait, yada yada. “It was a joke” won’t be far behind.

Deplorable

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:47:36am

Behold the Great Dealmaker==>

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:47:49am

re: #243 dangerman

scope of trump falsehoods unprecedented

and

a week of lies

both from politicalwire.com

The New York Times is doing it too

A Week of Whoppers From Donald Trump

31, many of which are the go-to’s he’s been using repeatedly.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:48:21am

if they both did attend and no one referenced either one

cuban’s presence: as a trump peer, has the credibility to question trumps net worth and other claims

flowers presence: is gonna do what to clinton?

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:49:16am

Thank you VFW. (One reason I am a member.)

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:50:10am

re: #253 dangerman

if they both did attend and no one referenced either one

cuban’s presence: as a trump peer, has the credibility to question trumps net worth and other claims

flowers presence: is gonna do what to clinton?

I sort of like the image of Cuban just sitting there in the audience, counting a big stack of bills as Trump natters on. “1 billion one…1 billion two…1 billion three…”

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:50:42am

re: #252 sagehen

yeah - that was actually buried in the “week of lies” link - an article by the nyt and another one by wapo

the first link was the la times

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:51:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:52:48am
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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:52:48am

Here’s one for you folk who use the “automatic blocking function” to look at:

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:53:12am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I sort of like the image of Cuban just sitting there in the audience, counting a big stack of bills as Trump natters on. “1 billion one…1 billion two…1 billion three…”

“he donny, i got ten one-billion dollar bills in my pocket. how much you go on ya?”

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:53:22am

re: #237 Anymouse

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:54:33am

Pushback against conservaderp has begun there:

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:55:33am

re: #261 Belafon

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Anybody wanna remind them about how they went off on the 9/11 Widows for “cashing in” on their husbands’ deaths?

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BigPapa  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:58:08am

I’ve about had it with the Lesser of Two Evils talk. That usually means they’re voting for Trump but don’t have the guts to come out and say it. So Hillary has issues with trust (Trump lies all the time); Hillary has issues with honesty (Trump lies all the time); Hillary makes tons o $ off the Clinton Foundation (that’s a lie, but Trump is a billionaire that screws people over).

The Lesser of Two Evils is a mealy mouthed equivalence to provide some seemingly rational reason to vote for the known bigot/racist/fascist but seem like you’re not voting for a bigot/racist/fascist.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:59:20am

re: #264 BigPapa

Facebook Post

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 6:59:51am

You think Bibi might mention the “Alt right” and Donald’s drooling nazi deplorables?
Nah.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:01:56am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

Why is Bibi even coming to talk to Trump?

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:02:40am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

19 pages of “nope, lie, 4 pinnochios, not true, false, never happened” and he’s still viable

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:03:40am

re: #265 Belafon

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I brought up to a Bro months ago about how a lot of Hillary supporters were going to end up seeing him as the “lesser of two evils,” might even sit out the election or vote third party because he simply did not have the means to win them over.

The response I got was pretty much what I expected, first engaging in the hypocritical “You’ll be to blame if Trump wins” and then doubling up the hypocrisy by saying that Hillary supporters would have to support Bernie because he was the party’s pick.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:05:22am

re: #264 BigPapa

I’ve about had it with the Lesser of Two Evils talk. That usually means they’re voting for Trump but don’t have the guts to come out and say it. So Hillary has issues with trust (Trump lies all the time); Hillary has issues with honesty (Trump lies all the time); Hillary makes tons o $ off the Clinton Foundation (that’s a lie, but Trump is a billionaire that screws people over).

The Lesser of Two Evils is a mealy mouthed equivalence to provide some seemingly rational reason to vote for the know bigot/racist/fascist but seem like you’re not voting for a bigot/racist/fascist.

its just an improvisation on the false equivalency thing and it doesnt stand up to scrutiny. again, the nyt this morning:

Hillary Clinton—has a record of service and a raft of pragmatic ideas,

Donald Trump, discloses nothing concrete about himself or his plans while promising the moon and offering the stars on layaway

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:07:56am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

I see the big three papers are all covering the same thing with Trump’s lying.

Question is, will that percolate into the TV Media.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:11:44am
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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:11:50am

This is his plan:

And now I’m depressed.

Sigh…

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jeffreyw  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:12:21am

Imgur


Good morning!

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:13:35am

re: #271 Ziggy_TARDIS

I see the big three papers are all covering the same thing with Trump’s lying.

Question is, will that percolate into the TV Media.

also over at they nyt:

how to cover a charlatan like trump

WITH presidential debates approaching, we in journalism are locked in a fierce dispute: How should we report on a duplicitous demagogue?

If a known con artist peddles a potion that he claims will make people lose 25 pounds and enjoy a better sex life, we don’t just quote the man and a critic; we find ways to signal to readers that he’s a fraud. Why should it be different when the con man runs for president?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:13:58am

re: #273 Jenner7

So, what do the demographics of the poll look like?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:14:18am

re: #274 jeffreyw

Looks like dinner.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:14:30am

re: #275 dangerman

The pessimist part of me says they will ignore that.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:14:45am

Horrible news. Horrible.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:15:09am

re: #274 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

*tosses out bowl of cream of wheat*

Yes, please.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:16:01am

re: #279 Stanley Sea

And 2016 strikes again.

Very sad news.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:16:03am

re: #276 Ziggy_TARDIS

No clue.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:16:24am

re: #273 Jenner7

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And now I’m depressed.

Sigh…

That reminds me of Paul Ryan’s “Medicare Vouchers”:
GRANDMA LOVES BARGAIN HUNTING & COUPON CLIPPING!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:17:03am

re: #280 Targetpractice

*tosses out bowl of cream of wheat*

Yes, please.

If I lived with jeffreyw, I’d gain weight for sure!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:18:07am

I googled Washington shooters name and my first page is almost entirely sites like SMOTI, Breitbart, WND, etc. They’re really getting out in front of this to set the narrative as “muslim shooter.” Sigh.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:18:13am

I want to believe that she’ll pull away in polls after tomorrow’s debate, but I also know the media has already declared Trump the winner.

Trump’s pulling the biggest scam in America. It’s quite galling how he’s been able to get away with it. I just hope Americans don’t fall for it.

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BigPapa  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:18:21am

Feel the Johnson
Gary Johnson has bizarre tongue-wagging episode on Morning Joe (Warning: this is disturbing)

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:18:54am
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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:20:25am

also from nyt / kristoff back on august 6, 2016 on the false equivalency thing

Yet the idea that they are even in the same league is preposterous. If deception were a sport, Trump would be the Olympic gold medalist; Clinton would be an honorable mention at her local Y.

In short, Clinton is about average for a politician in dissembling, while Trump is a world champion who is pathological in his dishonesty. Honestly, there is no comparison.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:21:17am

re: #287 BigPapa

Feel the Johnson
Gary Johnson has bizarre tongue-wagging episode on Morning Joe (Warning: this is disturbing)

Johnson’s as nutty as that guy who wears a rubber boot on his head.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:23:00am

Seven deadly lies of Trump, here are the first two:

FALSE: Trump opposed the Iraq War.

Washington Post: Trump: “I was totally against the war in Iraq.” // Four Pinocchios.

FALSE: Trump opposed intervention in Libya.

factcheck.org: Donald Trump on Libya, May 20 interview on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe”: I would have stayed out of Libya.” // False.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:26:11am

re: #230 goddamnedfrank

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And why are all of these “serious news reporters” even asking about something so ridiculously unimportant in the first place? (Rhetorical question.)

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:28:19am

re: #267 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why is Bibi even coming to talk to Trump?

Because he’s Republican.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:32:11am

re: #245 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a wingnut who thinks Gennifer Flowers is “Hillary’s worst nightmare” WARNING: May cause brain cell loss.

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I thought Carly Fiorina was Hillary’s (and everyone’s) worst nightmare?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:32:15am

re: #267 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Why is Bibi even coming to talk to Trump?

He’s also meeting with Clinton

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b.d.  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:34:20am

How dare they schedule a debate at the same time as an NFL game!?!?

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:41:56am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

You think Bibi might mention the “Alt right” and Donald’s drooling nazi deplorables?
Nah.

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And of course the yam has to mention that the meeting is at TRUMP Tower. Because that’s what’s important to the yam.

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Alyosha  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:42:29am
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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:43:39am

re: #268 dangerman

19 pages of “nope, lie, 4 pinnochios, not true, false, never happened” and he’s still viable

And still polling as “straightforward” and “honest and trustworthy.” Gah

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BigPapa  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:44:27am

I’m not expecting much of a debate. Trump Gish Galloping and Hillary trying to be the adult. On talker radio they think he’s brilliant for not preparing for the debate. But they also thought it was brilliant he said bombing within 2 hours of dumpsters being blown up in New York.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:44:36am

We’re basically getting a preview of foreign policy under the Trump administration right now. His opponent got under his skin, so he popped off like a hothead and now is trying to pathetically walk it back. French minister says something “off the record,” here comes President Trump ripping up a trade treaty with the French in response, then trying to walk it back by saying it was to “reopen negotiations.”

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jeffreyw  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:44:57am

re: #277 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Looks like dinner.

Yes, may be the last steak I cook entirely on the grill, just ordered a sous vide device and am looking forward to trying it on a juicy rib eye.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:48:15am

Today’s Doonesbury.

Who lies more:

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:49:00am

re: #297 BeachDem

And of course the yam has to mention that the meeting is at TRUMP Tower. Because that’s what’s important to the yam.

He’s going to get paid by the Israeli government for hosting & security.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:49:20am

How many warnings do we need, America?

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:49:31am

General Flynn…”Mark Cuban is not a legitimate person.”

In response to Chucky Todd asking about Gennifer Flowers.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:52:50am

re: #306 ObserverArt

General Flynn…”Mark Cuban is not a legitimate person.”

In response to Chucky Todd asking about Gennifer Flowers.

So this is their play now, trying to beat up on Mark Cuban to make it seem as if inviting him was “equally bad” to inviting Flowers?

No dice.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:53:43am

re: #304 Stanley Sea

He’s going to get paid by the Israeli government for hosting & security.

Is Trump going to make Israel pay protection money for security/military assistance too?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 7:57:44am

LOLWUT

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:04:02am

re: #261 Belafon

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:05:21am

Fucking hell. Seriously?

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:07:06am

re: #311 Jenner7

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Fucking hell. Seriously?

Seriously, the Trump campaign’s talking point today seems to be “Hillary is wrong for thinking facts have a place in a debate.”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:08:27am

re: #312 Targetpractice

And I am guessing their is no pushback?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:09:12am

Emailing the local Hillary person to ask how I can help, as I am scared again.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:10:52am

I do notice that, at least on Twitter, the Washington Shooting has completely fallen off the radar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:12:01am

Mouth of Sauron doubles down on debunked Birther talking points

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:12:59am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

And Stephanopoulos doesn’t rebut her.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:13:15am

re: #315 Ziggy_TARDIS

That is because the suspect was arrested. It is on the front page of The Wall Street Journal.

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:14:20am

re: #269 Targetpractice

I brought up to a Bro months ago about how a lot of Hillary supporters were going to end up seeing him as the “lesser of two evils,” might even sit out the election or vote third party because he simply did not have the means to win them over.

The response I got was pretty much what I expected, first engaging in the hypocritical “You’ll be to blame if Trump wins” and then doubling up the hypocrisy by saying that Hillary supporters would have to support Bernie because he was the party’s pick.

That bit in bold…wish I had a dollar for every time I have seen that comeback. I would have enough to buy a nice new Windows 10 computer with every bell and whistle I could get for a graphic designer.

This whole election seems to be a ‘it’s not my fault’ America could have an Orange Clown running the country. We sure can bitch as a nation but we also sure can do nothing about it because we don’t want to be held responsible for anything.

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gwangung  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:15:14am

re: #318 PhillyPretzel

That is because the suspect was arrested. It is on the front page of The Wall Street Journal.

If there was a Islamic connection, it’d still be there.

Far as I can tell, a lot of domestic violence and maybe MRA traces….so nothing to see here, move along….

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:15:20am

re: #319 ObserverArt

I need to have a Canada plan.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:15:39am

re: #312 Targetpractice

Seriously, the Trump campaign’s talking point today seems to be “Hillary is wrong for thinking facts have a place in a debate.”

Well, that is literally what Trump thinks. Debate are about showmanship and putting your opponents in their place. Showing how dominant you are.

But the idea that the media should NOT serve as neutral fact checkers? That’s bizarre. I understand that Trump’s working the refs as he always does, but Conway’s statement goes a step beyond that, indicating it’s not the role of the media to look at the two sides and find the truth.

What, then, IS their role?

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:17:44am

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

For that Trump person the press is there to show how “great” he is.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:17:54am

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

Problem is, the media doesn’t think it should be fact-checking either. Look at Chuck Todd.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:19:51am

re: #324 Ziggy_TARDIS

Problem is, the media doesn’t think it should be fact-checking either. Look at Chuck Todd.

Big articles in the Washington Post, New York Time, and LA Times in the last few days on Trump’s dishonesty. I think the Birther thing was a bridge too far. Not sure why constant lying before that wasn’t.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:20:09am
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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:26:11am

re: #279 Stanley Sea

Horrible news. Horrible.

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Heard that on ESPN radio a little while ago. Tragic. It sadly brings back the memories of two Cleveland Indians pitchers killed in a boating accident in 1993, also in Florida.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:26:14am

re: #321 Ziggy_TARDIS

I need to have a Canada plan.

Warming up my hammer to break the “in political emergency break glass” case I have full of Canadian money hanging on my wall.

Wingnuts gotta wing:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:29:18am

re: #328 Anymouse

I naturally am an incredibly nervous person, so this election is not doing good things for my health.

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:30:41am

re: #328 Anymouse

Warming up my hammer to break the “in political emergency break glass” case I have full of Canadian money hanging on my wall.

Wingnuts gotta wing:

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Soldiers could fight for our freedoms from home by not voting for Trump.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:32:56am

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, that is literally what Trump thinks. Debate are about showmanship and putting your opponents in their place. Showing how dominant you are.

But the idea that the media should NOT serve as neutral fact checkers? That’s bizarre. I understand that Trump’s working the refs as he always does, but Conway’s statement goes a step beyond that, indicating it’s not the role of the media to look at the two sides and find the truth.

What, then, IS their role?

Trump and his campaign seem to have decided that the argument here is a debate is not for hashing out the differences between the candidates, it’s for him standing upon the stage, acting like a loud and boorish asshole while she wilts under the spotlights. Somebody apparently dropped a history book that opened onto the page about the Kennedy/Nixon debate and they decided “There! That’s our strategy! Make her sweat on TV and it’s all over and done with!”

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:35:15am

re: #331 Targetpractice

They tried that at the Benghazi hearings.

Unfortunately, the media doesn’t care about the lives of minorities.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:35:30am

From what I’m reading about the polling, Trump is close entirely because of dominating with a single demographic - white men who did not go to college. With every other demographic, he’s running well behind where Romney was 4 years ago.

Say what you will about him, his strategy of appealing to the worst impulses in white America has been pretty successful. He’s only 2-4% behind, nationally.

But if he does win with this strategy, it will be a terrible day for America, over and above the simple fact of his winning.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:36:12am

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

I naturally am an incredibly nervous person, so this election is not doing good things for my health.

Well, I don’t know about my health, but I am not pleased with what is going on.

Fortunately, I live in a small enough village where I know every person, and am pretty much able to talk everyone out of voting for Mr. Trump.

The folk in my town have to weigh my liberal leanings against:

-disabled veteran
-Gold Star Family member
-elected official (including the things I’ve done on the village board)
-village Flag Committee chair (the liberal hippie is the guy who ensures the flag is properly displayed in the village)

They see the caricature of a liberal on FOX News, but live with a real liberal. The two don’t match. (Our ex-mayor told me the other day he is done watching FOX because he is tired of propaganda. You win one small battle at a time to win the war.)

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:38:07am

re: #333 Blind Frog Belly White

From what I’m reading about the polling, Trump is close entirely because of dominating with a single demographic - white men who did not go to college. With every other demographic, he’s running well behind where Romney was 4 years ago.

Say what you will about him, his strategy of appealing to the worst impulses in white America has been pretty successful. He’s only 2-4% behind, nationally.

But if he does win with this strategy, it will be a terrible day for America, over and above the simple fact of his winning.

This white guy who didn’t go to college did not consider Cheeto Jesus for a minute.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:38:11am

re: #331 Targetpractice

Trump and his campaign seem to have decided that the argument here is a debate is not for hashing out the differences between the candidates, it’s for him standing upon the stage, acting like a loud and boorish asshole while she wilts under the spotlights. Somebody apparently dropped a history book that opened onto the page about the Kennedy/Nixon debate and they decided “There! That’s our strategy! Make her sweat on TV and it’s all over and done with!”

Yeah. There’s a flaw in that approach. Hillary Clinton literally doesn’t sweat.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:39:13am

re: #327 ObserverArt

Heard that on ESPN radio a little while ago. Tragic. It sadly brings back the memories of two Cleveland Indians pitchers killed in a boating accident in 1993, also in Florida.

It happened at 330 in the morning. So dangerous.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:40:37am
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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:42:41am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:42:51am

re: #338 Stanley Sea

Shit.

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MsJ  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:44:26am

re: #301 Targetpractice

We’re basically getting a preview of foreign policy under the Trump administration right now. His opponent got under his skin, so he popped off like a hothead and now is trying to pathetically walk it back. French minister says something “off the record,” here comes President Trump ripping up a trade treaty with the French in response, then trying to walk it back by saying it was to “reopen negotiations.”

This. Exactly this.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:44:27am
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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:44:39am
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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:44:56am

re: #334 Anymouse

I am getting physically sick over this, is how hyper-sensitive I am to this.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:45:26am

re: #205 teleskiguy

Shouldn’t the United States be ahead with this stuff? I don’t know, man.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:46:33am

re: #343 Tigger2

More worrying is Colorado.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:47:46am

re: #339 Stanley Sea

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So this disinvitation and denial it all ever happened is like when you bounce back up afterwards and exclaim “I’m alright!”

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:48:18am

re: #237 Anymouse

Where are the tweets asking about Trump’s attacks against the Gold Star Family who gave a speech at the DNC? Our side should be pushing back hard.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:50:47am

re: #346 Ziggy_TARDIS

More worrying is Colorado.

Well, I live in the most likely House district to vote for Mr. Trump (NE-3). Pretty much my whole county knows I am supporting Mrs. Clinton (something something only elected Democrat). No threats or such, despite my very outspoken opinion pieces in our local conservative leaning newspaper that everyone across the Panhandle reads.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:53:29am

re: #339 Stanley Sea

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And now trying to walk it off by going “I totally meant to do that! Did you see the power behind that swing? If I’d connected, your jaw would be on the floor, that’s how powerful a swing it was!”

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:53:30am

re: #348 Patricia Kayden

Where are the tweets asking about Trump’s attacks against the Gold Star Family who gave a speech at the DNC? Our side should be pushing back hard.

Well, I am not on Twitter, so I cannot make such pushbacks.

Mr. Trump’s New York campaign manager alleged that the Khans were part of the Muslim Brotherhood, and Gold Star Families that support him are supporting terrorism.

I took issue with that to the state president of the Gold Star Mothers organisation here, and she responded “they didn’t want to get involved in politics.” (I suppose as a Congressionally-chartered organisation they have to tread carefully, but damn.)

I told her I would loudly protest, that even if I weren’t an elected official I would defend us against such smears.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:53:46am

re: #349 Anymouse

I am still under the impression that, if Trump wins, that I will lose almost everything, even if I go to Canada.

Though, it finally appears some in the media are pushing back. Probably too little, too late.

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Joe Bacon  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:54:01am

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

You think Bibi might mention the “Alt right” and Donald’s drooling nazi deplorables?
Nah.

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Booby Nincompoopo went all in with the Republicans and it’s going to come back to haunt him.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:54:27am
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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:55:49am

5 dead in WA, 8 injured in Baltimore, and now this.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:57:54am

The article referenced in this tweet is good:

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 8:58:54am

And another step back.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:00:06am

re: #357 Ziggy_TARDIS

And another step back.

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The shorter article: “Why couldn’t Bernie be the nominee?!”

Just ignore The Gray Lady, she’s developed dementia.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:01:08am

re: #349 Anymouse

Well, I live in the most likely House district to vote for Mr. Trump (NE-3). Pretty much my whole county knows I am supporting Mrs. Clinton (something something only elected Democrat). No threats or such, despite my very outspoken opinion pieces in our local conservative leaning newspaper that everyone across the Panhandle reads.

And I live in a county that gave Trump 49% of the vote in a primary that had 17 contenders (one a native son), and yet we’re still plugging along, in a state that the Dems have about a 0% chance of winning.

Spent yesterday helping to organize phonebanks from now till the election. You do what you can.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:01:13am

re: #354 Anymouse

Someone want to tell SMOTI that spouses have killed far more servicemembers than Muslims, and therefore spouses should be put under surveillance?

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:01:19am

re: #358 Targetpractice

Unfortunately, they could give Trump the election.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:02:21am

re: #350 Targetpractice

And now trying to walk it off by going “I totally meant to do that! Did you see the power behind that swing? If I’d connected, your jaw would be on the floor, that’s how powerful a swing it was!”

I just want to hear, “Steeerike three, you’re outta here.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:02:40am

re: #361 Ziggy_TARDIS

Unfortunately, they could give Trump the election.

A lot of people told me that back in ‘12 as well, that the media was going to give Romney the race because they had too many issues with Obama’s presidency to-date.

He won by 4% and over 5 million votes. Trump’s strategy is to drive down turnout. Don’t get depressed, get out there and vote.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:03:02am

Unless/until Clinton wins, I will not be able to relax.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:03:11am

re: #361 Ziggy_TARDIS

Unfortunately, they could give Trump the election.

Well you do what you can. In my case, I channel my energy into stumping for Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Kaine. (I don’t have a lot of downballot Dems to stump for here; elections here are a choice between nutbar Republican and wingnut Republican. Most of my ballot will be turned in blank.)

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:03:54am

Kellyanne Conway: “I can’t believe how easily baited the Clinton campaign was.”

That’s how the debate will go. Trump will lie, and his supporters will bend reality to fit.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:06:30am
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:07:45am

re: #364 Ziggy_TARDIS

Unless/until Clinton wins, I will not be able to relax.

None of us really are relaxed, we’re confident. Confidence goes a long way to, if not making the stress go away, then making it bearable for awhile.

Look at it this way: In the 15+ months since Trump jumped in the race, he’s never held the lead against her. He’s never held a tie that could last more than a couple days. And the best he’s been able to do over the long-term is drag her lead down to the sub-digits.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:10:14am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:10:44am

re: #368 Targetpractice

None of us really are relaxed, we’re confident. Confidence goes a long way to, if not making the stress go away, then making it bearable for awhile.

Look at it this way: In the 15+ months since Trump jumped in the race, he’s never held the lead against her. He’s never held a tie that could last more than a couple days. And the best he’s been able to do over the long-term is drag her lead down to the sub-digits.

That is a good way of looking at it. Honestly, I’m worried but I’m cautiously optimistic too. I really think the debates will wake a lot of people up because only one of the candidates will look presidential and it won’t be Trump. That said, this election is way too close and that does disturb me for another reason.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:10:59am

re: #368 Targetpractice

I guess I have less confidence in Americans overall then most of you then.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:13:35am

re: #98 teleskiguy

What a fantastic shot. So beautiful!

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:13:50am

re: #364 Ziggy_TARDIS

Unless/until Clinton wins, I will not be able to relax.

Well, if you have that much nervous energy, put it to good use! You mentioned that you were emailing the Clinton field rep—keep on it—get out there and work to make sure she does win. Every little bit helps, and FIELD WINS CAMPAIGNS.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:15:44am

re: #371 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I have less confidence in Americans overall then most of you then.

Well, I only live in one tiny village in uber-conservative Nebraska, so my mileage may vary from yours, but, …

This village is made up of veterans from the Vietnam and Korean Wars (all insulted by Mr. Trump’s commentary toward Senator McCain and his flippant response to someone giving him a Purple Heart medal), denigrating Gold Star Families, denigrating women (that’s over half the village), denigrating the disabled (and by extension disabled veterans, including this one), &c.

I can’t say for my whole House district, but he has lost this rural ranching and farming town.

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:16:18am
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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:16:23am

re: #122 majii

I don’t care how may times Trump trots Gennifer Flowers out. It still will not make me blame HRC for what her husband did. I don’t think the Trumpters “get” that this is 20+ years in the past, Pres. Clinton is still one of our most popular and well-liked former presidents, and most Americans tend not to hold a spouse responsible when his/her spouse cheats on them. I think what many GOPers really don’t like is that the Clintons are a true example of a married couple that actually believes in family values in that they decided to remain married to each other and work things out between the two of them. The bottom-line is that GOPers would have talked if they had broken up their marriage or if they had stayed together because that’s who/what they are. Plus, they’re more than willing to overlook the fact that some of the major players in their party like Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, and Donald Trump are not examples of family values politicians. They make me sick with their double standards. They pretend to hold certain values and principles in high regard, but when the rubber meets the road, they throw them into the nearest dumpster to support a politician they “like.” Second bottom-line—-they’re full of sh*t.

Strangely enough, I know a voter or two who do blame Hillary. “I can only see her a wife a a philandering husband. She stayed with him because the Democrats told her if she did she would be POTUS one day.”

Women actually believe that.

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:17:59am

re: #371 Ziggy_TARDIS

I guess I have less confidence in Americans overall then most of you then.

My confidence is based in the demographics that Trump is losing by worse numbers than Romney managed to achieve. Romney got his ass whipped by 5 million votes and he did better than Trump did in pretty much every demographic. So Trump’s only possible avenue to victory is to drive down turnout, make people give up in disgust or despair and win the diehards who will crawl over broken glass and red hot coals to vote for him. Giving into the despair is what’s going to let him win.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:18:03am

re: #375 Tigger2

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If Trump does a Jack Nicholson imitation, I might actually puke. (Note to self—make Monday trip to liquor store to stock up for debate.)

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:18:06am

re: #376 Birth Control Works

Strangely enough, I know a voter or two who do blame Hillary. “I can only see her a wife a a philandering husband. She stayed with him because the Democrats told her if she did she would be POTUS one day.”

Women actually believe that.

Sounds like a post-hoc rationalization to me. But that’s just me.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:18:19am
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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:19:38am

re: #376 Birth Control Works

Strangely enough, I know a voter or two who do blame Hillary. “I can only see her a wife a a philandering husband. She stayed with him because the Democrats told her if she did she would be POTUS one day.”

Women actually believe that.

Which really is the whole “She married her way to success” argument they’ve been making for decades, the idea that she hitched herself to a successful man. That she couldn’t have gone anywhere or been successful at anything without him. You can’t get much more sexist than that.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:21:10am

re: #377 Targetpractice

My confidence is based in the demographics that Trump is losing by worse numbers than Romney managed to achieve. Romney got his ass whipped by 5 million votes and he did better than Trump did in pretty much every demographic. So Trump’s only possible avenue to victory is to drive down turnout, make people give up in disgust or despair and win the diehards who will crawl over broken glass and red hot coals to vote for him. Giving into the despair is what’s going to let him win.

And then there are those like my mother, who never voted before, but will crawl over broken glass and lava to vote for Hillary Clinton, because she is so disgusted by Donald Trump (and Mark Kirk).

For every Trumpalumph out there, there is another that would rather gargle with broken glass than see him elected.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:21:24am

re: #170 Great White Snark

So I hired a drone pilot to get some footage in difficult airspace. Thanks to some local help and some flying skills we have some great footage. I just wanted to share a little bit of the fun part after the serious shots were done. We had to fly from private property, stay under 400 feet and not present any kind of hazard. The airspace is the Los Angeles Jewelry district. Shot in 4k. Just kinda first pass edited. Hope you guys enjoy a peek. No sound, just a color test

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Very cool, nice steady shot.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:21:48am
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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:24:38am

Another deplorable weighs in, referring to Hillary Clinton:

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:26:21am

And an appropriate response to the fascist apologists over at Twitter:

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:27:38am
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:30:48am

re: #387 jaunte

I agree. One tiny nit: Please try to get him to change that “zippo.” Zippo makes a great lighter.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:32:10am

re: #388 PhillyPretzel

I have my uncle’s WW2 vintage Zippo from his time in the Navy. I guess I should smoke something.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:32:33am

I posted this, this morning to my E-mail list of people who cannot escape me (including our state Gold Star Mothers president):

Today is Gold Star Mothers and Families Day, set in law by Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton (D) in 1998. The purpose of the law is to honour those who lost a parent, child, step-child, sibling or half-sibling in the service of the United States Armed Forces in combat.

The last Sunday of September is Gold Star Mothers and Families Day.

law.cornell.edu

Public Law 89-534, passed by Congress and signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson (D) defined the Gold Star Family Lapel Button and who was eligible to receive it.

law.cornell.edu

On April 1, 1968, my father was killed in the Vietnam War, while serving as an aircrewman on a P-3B Orion patrol aircraft. That P-3 is the only Orion ever lost in combat.

Shortly afterward, a Navy Senior Chief and a Navy Chaplain came to our home in Michigan, to give my family the news. At age seven, I was the person who received them. Even today, I can remember that day as if today was that day.

On this day, the nation is reminded that “freedom isn’t free,” and after a war is over, countless people are left to deal with the after effects for the remainder of their lives. It was forty-nine years ago that my father was killed.

I distinctly remember the harassment I received in second grade over the death of my father. While protests raged against the war in the Sixties, they did not extend just to the government’s positions, or even returning soldiers and seamen, airmen and Marines. Those protests extended even to the children, those who had no say over what happened.

After my father’s death, I spent two weeks out of school. Upon my return, I received not only hatred from other children, but teachers as well. Adults shunned not only my sister and me, but even my cousins (whose father was a Marine veteran not involved at all in Vietnam).

Lately, there have been a great number of people attacking Hillary Clinton, who disagreed with the opinion of a woman who is a relative of one of those killed at the Benghazi Embassy. They accuse her of hypocrisy (attacking Donald Trump over the treatment of Gold Star Family members Khzir and Ghazala Khan).

Embassy duty is incredibly dangerous. Ambassadors and embassy staff are sometimes killed (such as Ambassador David Foy under the George W Bush administration), and the scores of others killed in the scores of attacks in his administration. Embassy staff have been killed in nearly every presidential administration. However, as tragic as the loss of life in an embassy or consulate might be, that does not rise to the level of Gold Star Families, who are specifically designated in law.

While I am not trying to politicise the issue of Gold Star Families, the fact remains they are defined in law as those who are the immediate survivors of a member of the Armed Forces fallen in combats defined in law.

The exact number of Gold Star Family members is not known. 472,045 fallen members of the Armed Forces have been registered by family members in the National Gold Star Family Registry.

The Voice of America (the official shortwave outlet of the US Government) has an article on the history of the Gold Star Family (both in text and in audio), for those who English is not a first language, as Gold Star Families have become a political issue in the Presidential campaign:
learningenglish.voanews.com

Most states offer a Gold Star Family license plate for automobiles. The first state to offer such a plate was Massachusetts; since then about half offer them. To obtain a Gold Star Family License Plate, relevant supporting documentation must be provided to a state Division of Motor Vehicles.

Nebraska offers such plates: Vanity plates (up to five characters) are $40, numeric plates are $5.
dmv.nebraska.gov

Eligible recipients of the pin are defined in the original 1944 law, Public Law 80-306. Official pins have the law that authorises them in raised print on the back.

The Next of Kin Lapel Pin is authorised for those who die while on active duty (including reservists) but not in combat.

Pins destroyed or lost through no fault of the recipient will be replaced free upon application; those that are lost or otherwise damaged through negligence can be replaced by paying for them.

Both the Gold Star Family Pin and the Next-of-Kin Lapel Pin may only be displayed by those who are authorised to wear them. This includes such things as stationary and E-mail.

Those who meet the eligibility requirements for a Gold Star Family Lapel Button may apply for one using Form DD-3 (Department of Defense Form 3, which includes what information is required for each branch of the Armed Forces).
(DD Form 3 printable copy with instructions, and addresses for each service where to mail the application)

To apply for a Next-of-Kin Lapel Button, the information is available at the US Army:
sos.army.mil

The Army site includes information about how to apply through other services.

James, in Wyobraska.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:32:39am

re: #329 Ziggy_TARDIS

I naturally am an incredibly nervous person, so this election is not doing good things for my health.

This is why I submerge myself in Science Fiction at times like these.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:33:01am

When shit-for-brains Marsha Blackburn, and no-brains-whatsoever
Andre Bauer are your surrogates, you are truly pathetic—TRUMP—make America as idiotic as possible.

(and CNN, how deep into the crap barrel did you have to dig to come up with these two losers?)

rawstory.com

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:35:05am

re: #391 Birth Control Works

Me too. And the next Honor Harrington book comes out in November. Just in time for the election.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:42:08am

Here’s one you Twitterati ought to dogpile on:

Apparently this tweet is related to a crime in Colorado Springs that occurred in 2012:

kdvr.com

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:44:50am

re: #394 Anymouse

That’s absolutely fascinating, since the last time @MRConservative tweeted anything was back in 2014…

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:45:08am

Really the Flowers tweet caps what seems to be the latest narrative by the Trump campaign, which is “I’m a self-made man, she slept her way to success.” The Trump boys were doing the interview circuit the other day, bullshitting the press about how their daddy made his fortune on his own (and stumbling when their granddaddy’s loans were brought up). And their daddy’s first response to the news about Mark Cuban being invited to the debate was not to find somebody who was equally critical of Hillary, but to default to the “Bill sleeps around!” attack by inviting Flowers. An attack that could not be more self-defeating if you tried.

If I didn’t believe that Trump’s ego was so massive that it has its own gravitational pull, I really would wonder if this whole thing was “The Producers” being acted out in real life.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:46:28am

A spoof of Donald Trump at Twitter:

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:48:10am

re: #385 Anymouse

I hate appeals to authority but if you’re going to do it, you’d better have more than me:


And that doesn’t count the grandparents, uncles and great uncles that are dead.
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Dr. Lexus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:49:53am

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:50:00am

“Wow,” said John Hilboldt, Heritage’s lectures director, as he opened the session. “Where are all the ladies?”

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:50:38am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

I am so sorry to hear that. (((((((Dr. Lexus)))))

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:06am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

I am sorry to hear that.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:12am

re: #398 Belafon

I hate appeals to authority but if you’re going to do it, you’d better have more than me:

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And that doesn’t count the grandparents, uncles and great uncles that are dead.

I would weigh in, but the Dumpster fire that is Twitter just doesn’t appeal to me. There is no one, absolutely none, who will vote for Mr. Trump in my family. The only Trump supporter was my eldest first cousin, and she dumped him for Mrs. Clinton over his attack on Megyn Kelly.

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:22am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

I am so sorry. There is just no way to prepare for something like this. My condolences to your family.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:43am

On the Feline Overlord front - there’s a Kickstarter now going by the producers of “Pootie Pads” - which are quilted pads that are packed with catnip for cats, but can also be done with lavender for dog or human use. Come in a variety of sizes and different fabric covers.

I have a set of four small ones. One was given to the neighbor cats, and the other three are about the apartment. Every so often Chat Noir will start collecting them.

Gotta collect them all!

Pootie Pad Kickstarter Page

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:48am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

I’m sorry for your loss. That’s way too young.

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:51:49am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

Wow so young, Sorry for your loss.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:52:15am

Been binging Star Trek Deep Space 9 —-I think I’m in the 6th season. The Federeation just retook the Space Station.

Yes, it is a timeless Franchise.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:52:15am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

My sincere condolences. That is terrible news.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:53:33am

A near perfect debate visual from a Wonkette commenter (it has the Wonkette Baby, Donna Rose, and a clever thought—what could be better?)

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:54:52am

Gingrich hops on to the pro-Putin policy train.

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Dr. Lexus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:55:13am

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:55:20am
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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:55:25am

This is where I am with women who hate Hillary.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:56:16am

re: #412 Dr. Lexus

Yes. That is very bad. As I said up thread I am very sorry to hear of your loss.

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Tigger2  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:56:58am

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:58:02am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

Ouch — many sympathies. :(

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calochortus  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:58:04am

re: #400 Birth Control Works

“Wow,” said John Hilboldt, Heritage’s lectures director, as he opened the session. “Where are all the ladies?”

It might surprise some of those folks to meet me. I have a M.S. in geology, but thanks to the vagarities of the oil market, you couldn’t give away a geologist when I got my degree. So, I’ve been married to the same man for nearly 40 years, stayed home and raised 2 kids, baked cookies and drove carpool and all of that. And oh yeah, I’m a liberal with no plans for becoming more conservative.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:58:06am
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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 9:58:46am

re: #385 Anymouse

Another deplorable weighs in, referring to Hillary Clinton:

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what an asinine argument - see watch:

“she supports the military, always has and always will. Just ask me.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:00:19am

re: #347 Blind Frog Belly White

So this disinvitation and denial it all ever happened is like when you bounce back up afterwards and exclaim “I’m alright!”

Followed by “I meant to do it!”

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:03:08am

Just posted a page on the start of Season 2 of Poldark. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Great White Snark  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:04:26am

re: #99 teleskiguy

It’s Saturday night, so I don’t feel bad about posting cool skiing pictures.

:)

Shots like that can come up anytime afaik.

Shameless Page promo, just put up one of Los Angeles at sunset

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:06:27am

re: #376 Birth Control Works

Strangely enough, I know a voter or two who do blame Hillary. “I can only see her a wife a a philandering husband. She stayed with him because the Democrats told her if she did she would be POTUS one day.”

Women actually believe that.

I’d just run across this recently, featuring tweets from a woman who blames the Brangelina divorce on Angelina Jolie’s mastectomy. :(

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:07:16am

re: #424 scottslemmons

I’d just run across this recently, featuring tweets from a woman who blames the Brangelina divorce on Angelina Jolie’s mastectomy. :(

Well, that is sad.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:07:50am

Ugg … T-3 days until my elbow surgery Wednesday at the VA in Cheyenne.

While I will drive to Cheyenne, my wife will be driving home (then for the next couple months). She hates driving, ever since she was T-boned in an accident with an Air Force van in Colorado Springs and nearly killed. (The state moved to charge the driver with reckless driving, the Air Force transferred him overseas so he could not stand trial at that time.)

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:08:27am

re: #393 PhillyPretzel

Me too. And the next Honor Harrington book comes out in November. Just in time for the election.

I’m done with Honor. Just couldn’t get into it after the first couple of books.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:09:53am

re: #427 Birth Control Works

I understand. I actually read “Flag in Exile” first then I read the first one.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:10:03am

re: #426 Anymouse

Sounds like the Air Force.

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Teukka  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:10:46am

Sorry lizardim for dropping off the radar but…

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:12:21am

re: #430 Teukka

I hope you feel better very soon.

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Teukka  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:13:32am

re: #431 PhillyPretzel

I hope you feel better very soon.

I already do, it’s just that it comes in baby steps…

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:13:51am

Worth reading the whole series of tweets about campaigning in “managed democracies.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:14:03am

re: #391 Birth Control Works

This is why I submerge myself in Science Fiction at times like these.

These times are science fiction. America is being invaded by a disease from outer space that is causing them to follow a Big Orange Alien Con Man from another Universe.

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:15:59am

re: #424 scottslemmons

I’d just run across this recently, featuring tweets from a woman who blames the Brangelina divorce on Angelina Jolie’s mastectomy. :(

Ugh, and I just read a tiny fraction of that person’s Twitter feed. Of course she gloats about her Christianity, and of course, she’s the most hateful person on the planet. >:(

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:16:03am

re: #429 Ziggy_TARDIS

Sounds like the Air Force.

She calls the traffic light installed at that corner north of Colorado Springs the “Beth Memorial Traffic Light.”

Last year I went into the party store on the corner, and the clerk there was describing the gruesome accident that killed a software engineer from Digital Equipment (emphasis on the gruesome, adding all sorts of detail to the story).

My wife came in during the storytelling, and could not contain her laughter. She informed the clerk that the software engineer either did not die or was raised from the dead as it was her. (::

They’re still going, I suspect it will be an all-day thing to score points for the fascist talking yam on the loss of families:

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scottslemmons  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:18:07am

re: #434 ObserverArt

These times are science fiction. America is being invaded by a disease from outer space that is causing them to follow a Big Orange Alien Con Man from another Universe.

I’ve been reading buckets of horror, but that’s what I do when Halloween is on the horizon.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:19:28am

re: #436 Anymouse

Having lived in the area, what corner was it?

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:19:45am

Then there are those using the day for proselytisation for their favoured god …

Y’know what? I don’t think I would think “arms of the Lord” to be the equivalent of “in my father’s arms” if he were still here. Screw these holier than thou Christian apologists.

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Ziggy_TARDIS  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:20:27am

Ok, apparently YouGov was the organization to have the narrowed polls in CO.

YouGov is online only. Not only that, but they got the last 2 major British Elections wrong.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:20:33am

re: #438 Ziggy_TARDIS

Having lived in the area, what corner was it?

I cannot say for sure (I have only been there once). My wife is asleep at the moment, but the next time I am on I will ask her where the “Beth Memorial Traffic Light” is.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:20:39am

re: #439 Anymouse

Amen.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:23:16am

re: #442 PhillyPretzel

Amen.

Except for Khzir Khan’s son, who is burning in hell for being a Muslim, according to this deplorable allegedly supporting Gold Star Families.

Hypocrites and liars, all of them (I am referring to the religious thumpers, not Trump supporters).

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:23:48am

re: #422 PhillyPretzel

Just posted a page on the start of Season 2 of Poldark. littlegreenfootballs.com

I’ve also been really enjoying Indian Summers.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:24:26am

re: #444 sagehen

That is a good one too.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:24:46am

It’s Time To Play The ‘Debate Expectations’ Game!

So let’s just take this as a given: We, in the media, are going to screw this up. Some of us will do it accidentally, some with malice aforethought. You should avoid us. Maybe you should close this tab right now ― click the little x! It’s right up there!☝️― and unplug your laptop. Ram a power drill through your hard drive and throw it in the trash, along with your television.

I’m sort of not kidding!

…This isn’t the media immunizing itself. This is the media pre-confessing to the crime it plans to commit

huffingtonpost.com

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:26:26am

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Damn. My 33 yo cousin just died in his sleep.

Way too young. Sorry to hear it. Peace to his family, friends and relatives.

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Jenner7  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:29:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:30:31am

Hillary has to do something theatrical at the debate to get at Trump, trying to pound him with facts alone will not work.

Trump is first and foremost a showman. The person who resonates most with the audience will not necessarily be the one with the best policy positions.

Sadly Trumps unpredictability works to his advantage here. All he has to do is fluster her once or goad her into making an ill timed attack and its all over. Fuck reality, perhaps no debate has ever been more about perception than this one.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:31:58am
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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:33:06am

bbl

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:33:29am

re: #450 Anymouse

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Uhh… I don’t speak whatever language that tweet is written in. Care to translate?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:35:56am

re: #450 Anymouse

Good lord that’s horrible.

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jaunte  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:36:15am

re: #450 Anymouse

#clintonFoudation hashtag is crammed with spelling-challenged wingnuts.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:39:02am

re: #454 jaunte

#clintonFoudation hashtag is crammed with spelling-challenged wingnuts.

Fahrenthold is directly over the target & they are spooked.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:41:24am

re: #452 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Uhh… I don’t speak whatever language that tweet is written in. Care to translate?

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

Good lord that’s horrible.

I think the poster to the Gold Star Mother’s Day Twitter feed is trying to say that Jane Fonda is selling used condoms that the Viet Cong used on her? And that Hillary Clinton approves?

Trump supporters are turning that hashtag into a Dumpster fire.

Just one more reason I am not on Twitter, not a Christian, and certainly not a conservative. None of them have anything resembling empathy.

As for Jane Fonda, she wrote a letter to Navy Times several years ago apologising for her trip to Hanoi; her argument was she was taken in by North Vietnam’s propaganda.

It was good enough for Senator John McCain, who forgave her previous position.

Wingnuts won’t let go though. Neither will conservative Christians (who allegedly accept that a person is forgiven).

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Targetpractice  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:42:52am

re: #449 Eclectic Cyborg

Hillary has to do something theatrical at the debate to get at Trump, trying to pound him with facts alone will not work.

Trump is first and foremost a showman. The person who resonates most with the audience will not necessarily be the one with the best policy positions.

Sadly Trumps unpredictability works to his advantage here. All he has to do is fluster her once or goad her into making an ill timed attack and its all over. Fuck reality, perhaps no debate has ever been more about perception than this one.

As Josh Marshall noted over at TPM, for Trump to crack the polling ceiling that he’s set for himself, he basically has to put to rest the belief that he’s too volatile and unstable to be trusted with the presidency. Going out tomorrow night and being an utter jackass isn’t going to do that. He needs to be solid and steady while commanding an understanding of the facts about topics that will be discussed. The more he tries to bullshit us into believing he has any real answers, the more damage he does to himself.

By contrast, Hillary’s performance is going to get criticized, that’s just a given. But to really “lose” tomorrow night, she would have to make a huge error. As in a gaffe so big that it would be totally uncharacteristic of her. She doesn’t need to get laughs, she doesn’t need to connect with voters, she just needs to seem like the presidential person on the stage. That’s well within her ability to do, despite the inevitable attacks that the media will lob about how she doesn’t seem friendly enough to win over voters.

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Great White Snark  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:42:56am
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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:43:24am

re: #452 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Uhh… I don’t speak whatever language that tweet is written in. Care to translate?

I think it says:

I’m still all pissed off 50 years later about an actress that “sided” with the enemy in a war that America has since admitted was not a good thing for this country.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:43:26am

Aside again from the fact that embassy staff family members are not Gold Star Family members, Hillary Clinton and Huma Abadien did not laugh about any such thing.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:45:17am

uh-oh, the media’s in trouble

Now you media creeps are finding yourself ignored and irrelevant as America proceeds to do whatever the hell it pleases whether you like it or not. We don’t need you; we can and will get our information by ourselves.

We don’t need you. We don’t want you. And we’re laughing at you.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:47:24am

Ann Kirkpatrick weighs in (though she left out the rest of us:

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ObserverArt  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:50:25am

I am listening to the radio, but I have the TV on with some sportsball. I just looked up to see a new Trump commercial flashing images of Trump and Happy people, with overlays of “great” and “again” and it shows the Trump Tower in a grand manner and then flashes to the Clintons in black and white on and old TV…then ends with Trump all “thumbs up and smiling” with Trump Pence Make America Great Again.

The Battle of Ohio is on! I’ve noticed Trump commercials increasing here in the Columbus market the last couple weeks.

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Anymouse  Sep 25, 2016 • 10:51:25am

re: #463 ObserverArt

You poor devil.

I don’t have to suffer from political advertising, as my states abbreviation is GOP.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 25, 2016 • 12:01:23pm

re: #399 Dr. Lexus

Our condolences to you and your family.


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