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mmmirele  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:40:04am

Oh man, I got CL’ed. Going to repost this. I think Robert Mueller’s days are numbered.

My congresscritter, Andy “I won $10 million in the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes” Biggs, has posted the following in the last 24 hours.

First this, yesterday afternoon:

Yeah, it’s gonna happen.

Now this video, from his DC office:

Who told Andy Biggs to do this???

I’d note his constituents are telling him off. But he’s one of those hard-Rs and is completely shoved up Trump’s nether parts.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:41:51am

re: #1 mmmirele

Oh man, I got CL’ed. Going to repost this. I think Robert Mueller’s days are numbered.

My congresscritter, Andy “I won $10 million in the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes” Biggs, has posted the following in the last 24 hours.

First this, yesterday afternoon:

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I’d note his constituents are telling him off. But he’s one of those hard-Rs and is completely shoved up Trump’s nether parts.

If they force Mueller out, that’s all the more reason not to trust the bastards at all.

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garzooma  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:43:40am

re: #1 mmmirele

I’d note his constituents are telling him off. But he’s one of those hard-Rs and is completely shoved up Trump’s nether parts.

I put on his Facebook post “Whatever you say, Ivan”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:44:01am

New thread just in the nick of time…such “both-sides” whinging has begun downstairs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:44:41am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

New thread just in the nick of time…such “both-sides” whinging has begun downstairs.

I’m looking for a fight I admit.

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makeitstop  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:45:13am

Good tune. I’m happy they’re going to release the extra material from OK Computer. I miss that Radiohead.

Also, I believe that’s Yorke sitting on the curb at about 2:53.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:47:32am

Okay, I’m done with that shit.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:49:28am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:52:03am

re: #1 mmmirele

Oh man, I got CL’ed. Going to repost this. I think Robert Mueller’s days are numbered.

My congresscritter, Andy “I won $10 million in the Publishers Clearing House Sweepstakes” Biggs, has posted the following in the last 24 hours.

First this, yesterday afternoon:

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I’d note his constituents are telling him off. But he’s one of those hard-Rs and is completely shoved up Trump’s nether parts.

You know you can embed Facebook posts directly in an LGF comment, right? Here’s how:

littlegreenfootballs.com

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:53:18am
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:54:04am

I’ve bicycled around Barcelona - it’s really easy to get lost because every block looks the same.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:55:01am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I like the way they angle the corners of each block.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:56:32am

This kind of reality denying retardation is super fucking useful.

It’s the reason that modern socialists aren’t going to get anywhere. They’re stuck in perpetual bitch mode, where revisionist history fuels a constant blaming of the Democratic Party’s incremental pragmatism for blocking some unicorn magic based ideal end game solution to health care.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:57:00am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I’ve bicycled around Barcelona - it’s really easy to get lost because every block looks the same.

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Beautiful city but like so many cities, one that having my handheld Garmin device is essential. Some of the best food I’ve ever had too.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:57:32am

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

This kind of reality denying retardation is super fucking useful.

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It’s the reason that modern socialists aren’t going to get anywhere. They’re stuck in perpetual bitch mode, where revisionist history fuels a constant blaming of the Democratic Party’s incremental pragmatism for blocking some unicorn magic based ideal end game solution to health care.

That’ll change their minds. // What the hell is wrong with them?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 11:59:35am

Yes. Play fucking hardball.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:00:50pm

re: #16 I Would Prefer Not To

Yes. Play fucking hardball.

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I agree. Show the world how hostile this administration is to a free press.

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:01:12pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

New thread just in the nick of time…such “both-sides” whinging has begun downstairs.

He seems to always show up in brand new dead threads. It’s almost like he’s looking for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:03:15pm

re: #18 MsJ

lol! and now he’s left because he’s “not being understood”….

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:03:23pm

re: #18 MsJ

It’s remarkable how consistent the expression of troll pathology is across all the people that engage in it.

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Ming5000  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:03:31pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

I went to our Democratic congressional district meeting a week ago. The only protesters there were SANDERS supporters. Sander Levin kept trying to explain we were fighting to save the ACA and they were complaining we didn’t have single payer. As clueless as the right.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:03:53pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol! and now he’s left because he’s “not being understood”….

Good.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:04:56pm

re: #21 Ming5000

I went to our Democratic congressional district meeting a week ago. The only protesters there were SANDERS supporters. Sander Levin kept trying to explain we were fighting to save the ACA and they were complaining we didn’t have single payer. As clueless as the right.

Sanders has inspired a bunch of people to be total brats about how reality actually works. That’s why it disappoints me so much that so many people my generation are so attracted to him. You’d think a guy like him who’s been around a while would understand incrementalism but nope.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:05:28pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I’ve bicycled around Barcelona - it’s really easy to get lost because every block looks the same.

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Well, except for the Sagrada Familia there in the center, yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:07:15pm

re: #24 austin_blue

Well, except for the Sagrada Familia there in the center, yeah.

I was so fortunate that I got to see that when I was there a few years ago.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:07:40pm

I give the headline a 10 and the story an 6, but I’m posting anyway.

Joe Biden Rips Into Billionaire Hedge Fund Manager Ackman: “Shut the Hell Up”

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:07:51pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:08:32pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

I was so fortunate that I got to see that when I was there a few years ago.

She Who Must Be Obeyed described Gaudi as “a Jesuit on Acid”.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:10:50pm

re: #28 austin_blue

She Who Must Be Obeyed described Gaudi as “a Jesuit on Acid”.

Hahaha, he was something. I really enjoyed the Gaudi sites while I was there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:10:58pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Well said.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:12:17pm

re: #24 austin_blue

Well, except for the Sagrada Familia there in the center, yeah.

Not all blocks!

/

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:14:39pm

St. Peter’s Church
Church of our Lady (cross, magnet)
Glockenspiel im Rathastrum
Munich Residence
Muencher Stadtmuseum
NS Documentation Center

This is a day in Munich I have planned this summer on my brother and I’s trip. Been to Munich before but it’s going to be his first time abroad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:30:33pm

Poke.

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TedStriker  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:33:58pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Sanders has inspired a bunch of people to be total brats about how reality actually works. That’s why it disappoints me so much that so many people my generation are so attracted to him. You’d think a guy like him who’s been around a while would understand incrementalism but nope.

Shorter BernieBros: “We want what we want and we want it right now…and we are willing to burn it all down if we don’t get out way!”

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:35:15pm

Out walking in the drizzle

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BigPapa  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:38:25pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Poke.

Poke? Okay.

Poke? Okay
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:38:37pm

re: #34 TedStriker

Shorter BernieBros: “We want what we want and we want it right now…and we are willing to burn it all down if we don’t get out way!”

It’s frustrating. TBH I’m not even sure if Scandinavian style is the best fit for us. I’m all in favor of analyzing it but they seem to want single payer or bust and that’s reckless.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:39:29pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Sanders has inspired a bunch of people to be total brats about how reality actually works. That’s why it disappoints me so much that so many people my generation are so attracted to him. You’d think a guy like him who’s been around a while would understand incrementalism but nope.

And they end up coming across as the stereotypical millennial.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:41:49pm

re: #38 Timothy Watson

And they end up coming across as the stereotypical millennial.

Exactly and man I hate that stereotype with a passion.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:42:54pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

As to a healthcare plan one should make a study of what is out there and come up with a hybrid of the parts we need and work with that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:43:46pm

re: #40 PhillyPretzel

As to a healthcare plan one should make a study of what is out there and come up with a hybrid of the parts we need and work with that.

Sounds good to me.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:49:10pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I’ve bicycled around Barcelona - it’s really easy to get lost because every block looks the same.

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Not going to lie

All those blocks immediately made me think of computer chips from that perspective.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:50:13pm

Conservatives are “burning it down” not berniebros. As annoying as they are.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:52:12pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Conservatives are “burning it down” not berniebros. As annoying as they are.

Main thing seems to be, Conservatives are burning down the entire political landscape. Berners seem focused solely on burning down the Dem party. Conservatives are obviously worse, but it doesn’t help that the lefter-than-thous are focused more on fighting us than the giant Elephant in the Oval Office.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:53:39pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Conservatives are “burning it down” not berniebros. As annoying as they are.

I agree but at the same time the BBs hurt our ability to prevent conservatives from burning it down.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:54:35pm

Nobody is standing in Schumers way.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:54:40pm

re: #42 Citizen K

Not going to lie

All those blocks immediately made me think of computer chips from that perspective.

Gonna need a tiny bicycle to ride around those.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:56:00pm

re: #46 Amory Blaine

Nobody is standing in Schumers way.

True. Anyhow really hope things go well locally here this fall. I’d love to retain the Va governorship and flip Jersey.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:57:04pm
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Belafon  Jun 24, 2017 • 12:58:46pm

re: #46 Amory Blaine

Nobody is standing in Schumers way.

Schumer has two tools: 46+2 senators, and the message. One of those +2 senators keeps interfering with the message.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:01:29pm

Okay time for daily laps at the pool. Later.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:05:26pm

Afternoon/Evening Lizardim from the storm-swept wild north country. It is particularly ill timing, as I had Mrs. Fish’s brown beastie all buffed, waxed, and prepped for a car show at the local town festival. We were there for a few hours, but when the thunder started, i brought her home and got her in the garage. How go things among the lizardfolk on this cool, cloudy, rainy, exceedingly windy Saturday?

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Ming5000  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:07:57pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.
It is going well. This was my first, now on my second. (Margarita!) Great Michigan Saturday.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:08:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:10:16pm

You’re making me talk to this dipshit? Yeah, insulted.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:12:23pm

re: #35 jaunte

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Out walking in the drizzle

If you hear a boom, get inside a room! Looks like lightning too.

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Ming5000  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:12:27pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Kushner on phone with WH, “Dad, Abbas was a total dick to me.”
Trump, “I’ll handle it.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:12:52pm

re: #52 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We’re going to be off to one of the local county fairs shortly. This is after I celebrated one year of regular running by …well, running.

Off to see if mr. klys is at the point where my hands are better suited for changing the lightbulb for the headlight.

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TedStriker  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:13:32pm

re: #50 Belafon

Schumer has two tools: 46+2 senators, and the message. One of those +2 senators keeps interfering with the message.

Not just interfering, actively sabotaging it for his own ends.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:15:00pm

re: #58 klys (maker of Silmarils)

We’re going to be off to one of the local county fairs shortly. This is after I celebrated one year of regular running by …well, running.

Off to see if mr. klys is at the point where my hands are better suited for changing the lightbulb for the headlight.

Should be fun. Congrats on the running streak. Keep it up!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:15:59pm

re: #60 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Should be fun. Congrats on the running streak. Keep it up!

Fun fact: by distance, I have run from San Jose, CA to Vancouver, BC. Or, alternately, Edinburgh to London and then Paris to Berlin, roughly.

Off to the fair now. :)

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:20:09pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

You’re making me talk to this dipshit? Yeah, insulted.

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“The Israeli-Palestinian thing is extremely complicated ok; noboby knew how complicated this is.”

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:23:59pm

Philly, you’ll appreciate this.

I’m binge watching Poldark season 2.

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PhillyPretzel  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:25:25pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

I do. And I am watching Victoria. :)

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:36:19pm
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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:42:16pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:47:38pm

Thanks Krager. Made my day. Surfing with dogs.

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austin_blue  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:56:03pm

re: #67 I Would Prefer Not To

Thanks Krager. Made my day.

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The Dude abides.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:57:21pm

re: #67 I Would Prefer Not To

Thanks Krager. Made my day. Surfing with dogs.

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I want to go surfing with my cats!

/I’ve never surfed (with a board)

/cats ain’t gonna do it

/but one of them will jump onto my shoulder from the counter. It’s a start!

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nines09  Jun 24, 2017 • 1:59:07pm

re: #67 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m having a great day and that just made it so much greater.

And just for the sheer hell of it…….”Cancer!..And my name is Larry. Because I love everything and everybody, and you remember that at the divorce…”

The Floaters - Float On [Long Version]

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:07:05pm

Far right emboldened here, there and everywhere…
Germany:

Canada:

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:14:32pm
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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:16:47pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:18:00pm

re: #73 lawhawk

How the… How the FUCK do they think this is supposed to come across as a good idea?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:18:03pm

re: #70 nines09

Oh, I always preferred this version!

Cheech Y Chong - Bloat On

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:22:32pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

How the… How the FUCK do they think this is supposed to come across as a good idea?

This is yet another manifestation of how and why the GOP doesn’t know how insurance works, or why people might miss a payment. It’s malicious, vindictive, and undermines every argument the GOP ever made about Obamacare.

They bitched about Obamacare’s individual mandate penalties, which were designed to encourage people to get covered instead of waiting until they were sick to do so. The reality of the IM penalties was that they weren’t harsh enough (but were slowly moving in that direction under the existing law). The penalties weren’t harsh to start because they wanted to phase in the system and not harm people who might otherwise benefit from coverage instead of going without and hoping that they don’t fall ill.

Trumpcare takes all the worst ideas of health coverage, throws them in a blender, and then adds gutting coverage for Medicaid/Medicare, plus the pre-existing conditions nonsense. Those two aspects affect 85% of insureds - a not insignificant number.

The GOP doesn’t care about any of this except the sweet tax breaks. Well, that’s not exactly true. They get their one and only shot to destroy the Great Society and even New Deal if they can move on Social Security too (and look for them to try).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:23:10pm

House of Reps: Lets write the worst healthcare bill in history.
Senate: Hold my beer.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:23:59pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Didn’t the House bill include measure to impose severe financial penalties for any lapse in coverage?
So, the Senate wants to kick you off coverage if you miss a payment, for which the House will fine you for having a lapse in coverage…

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature…

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:27:30pm
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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:30:28pm

Asian carp found in Chicago canal, just 9 miles from Lake Michigan shores

Asian carp are on the move toward Lake Michigan, even as the Trump administration refuses to release an ambitious new plan to block the migration of the fish up the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and into the Great Lakes.

A single live Asian carp was pulled from the Chicago canal Thursday — above an electric barrier system operated by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.

The fish, more than two feet in length, was captured in a net approximately nine miles from the shores of Lake Michigan.

America is rudderless and also has a nut aboard that’s drilling holes in the hull.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:32:39pm

re: #69 wrenchwench

I want to go surfing with my cats!

/I’ve never surfed (with a board)

/cats ain’t gonna do it

/but one of them will jump onto my shoulder from the counter. It’s a start!

… if your ambition is to be a surfboard.

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covfefe  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:34:05pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

If they were good eating, I wouldn’t be so concerned about these damn things…

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Amory Blaine  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:34:39pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

Be sure to check the comments for hot takes from the locals.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:34:59pm

re: #82 covfefe

The problem is that they’d destroy the existing ecosystem and drive out all the other fish in the Great Lakes. It would be absolutely catastrophic to the Great Lakes habitat.

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nines09  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:37:20pm

re: #75 Joe Bacon 🌹

Cheech and Chong are vastly underrated. Vastly.

Cheech & Chong - Earache My Eye

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:39:21pm
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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:41:04pm
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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:43:57pm

These fuckers think that short is good.

Their supporters buy this claptrap too.

Just because something is short doesn’t mean a goddamned thing. So what Obamacare was 2700 pages long. It was creating a brand new health care system. That requires pages upon pages to define terms, set parameters for a program, etc. It created chapters of law.

How do you repeal such a thing? A single line of text.

It’s far easier to destroy a thing than to create a thing (Genesis project notwithstanding, where you can destroy and create at the same time - Bones)

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:44:49pm

re: #81 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

… if your ambition is to be a surfboard.

That would be body surfing with a passenger. I’ve done the body surfing, just need a Kevlar wet suit to avoid the claws. And a co-operative cat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:45:29pm

re: #87 jaunte

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up is down

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:45:40pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

That would be body surfing with a passenger. I’ve done the body surfing, just need a Kevlar wet suit to avoid the claws. And a co-operative cat.

That may just be your problem.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:47:15pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:47:58pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:50:18pm

A small thought.*

Is it possible that the healthcare law is a setup? The house and senate pass terrible bills and Trump gets to be the hero by vetoing? Trump has said the bill is mean and loves to play the hero. In the short term his popularity would go up. Republicans can say they tried and promise to try again. I have a hard time believing that most members of congress want to defend this POS when they are up for reelection.

*I hate conspiracy theories, but in the age of Trump:

“The issue’s not whether you’re paranoid, Lenny, I mean look at this shit, the issue is whether you’re paranoid enough.” Strange Days.

If I am correct, you guys owe me a beer

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:50:29pm

re: #85 nines09

Cheech and Chong are vastly underrated. Vastly.

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Video

Beasty Boys owe them a debt.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:52:18pm

re: #94 I Would Prefer Not To

A small thought.*

Is it possible that the healthcare law is a setup? The house and senate pass terrible bills and Trump gets to be the hero by vetoing? Trump has said the bill is mean and loves to play the hero. In the short term his popularity would go up. Republicans can say they tried and promise to try again. I have a hard time believing that most members of congress want to defend this POS when they are up for reelection.

*I hate conspiracy theories, but in the age of Trump:

Could be, but Ockham says they’re all just assholes.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:53:32pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Could be, but Ockham says they’re all just assholes.

If they are passing a fake bill, they are still assholes.

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lawhawk  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:54:24pm

re: #94 I Would Prefer Not To

Doubt he knows what the hell is in the bill. And the GOP is expending capital among their own caucus to negotiate a plan. That isn’t done lightly.

Trump isn’t doing a goddamned thing here to stop the repeal of Obamacare. He’ll sign whatever Congress throws in front of him, even if its a squishy shit sandwich (and Trumpcare meets that definition to a T).

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:56:11pm

re: #87 jaunte

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I also want to know if there’s still an open enrollment period for purchasing insurance? As far as I can tell there will be, and if so then a six month ban for missing a payment could hypothetically turn into an 16 1/2 month mandated uninsurability period if the missed payment is timed just right.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:57:39pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

I also want to know if there’s still an open enrollment period for purchasing insurance? As far as I can tell there will be, and if so then a six month ban for missing a payment could hypothetically turn into an 16 1/2 month mandated uninsurability period if the missed payment is timed just right.

I’m also hoping that whatever happens there will be court challenges.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:57:53pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

It’s difficult not to conclude that this bill is designed to get rid of sick people.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:58:19pm

I hope that was civil enough for the tone police.

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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 2:59:40pm

re: #94 I Would Prefer Not To

A small thought.*

Is it possible that the healthcare law is a setup? The house and senate pass terrible bills and Trump gets to be the hero by vetoing? Trump has said the bill is mean and loves to play the hero. In the short term his popularity would go up. Republicans can say they tried and promise to try again. I have a hard time believing that most members of congress want to defend this POS when they are up for reelection.

*I hate conspiracy theories, but in the age of Trump:

They dug themselves quite a hole the past 8 years vowing to repeal the ACA on day one. Then they got their wish to be in power and have to produce. Something. If they succeed, they fail. If they don’t succeed, they fail. They likely figure if they’re fucked either way they may as well get richer and further enrich their future employers since they’ll be out of their current jobs anyway. Therefore, I think they’ll go for it and a whole bunch of us die. That they don’t care about.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:00:30pm

re: #94 I Would Prefer Not To

The problem for Republicans, if this is how they are thinking, Trump could sign it in a fit of rage at Republicans, Comey, are Jared; or he could sign it because he just thinks he’ll be winning.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:02:16pm

re: #94 I Would Prefer Not To

A small thought.*

Is it possible that the healthcare law is a setup? The house and senate pass terrible bills and Trump gets to be the hero by vetoing? Trump has said the bill is mean and loves to play the hero. In the short term his popularity would go up. Republicans can say they tried and promise to try again. I have a hard time believing that most members of congress want to defend this POS when they are up for reelection.

*I hate conspiracy theories, but in the age of Trump:

If I am correct, you guys owe me a beer

No. He will sign any bill the GOP Congress sends to him.
Remember, they’ve stated repeatedly, have to do health insurance before they can do “Tax Reform”.
Only by “reducing” healthcare costs from the budget can they justify slashing tax revenue.
And, they will be slashing tax revenue come hell or high water.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:05:55pm

re: #101 jaunte

It’s difficult not to conclude that this bill is designed to get rid of sick people.

It is a mistake to think that the RW wants to get rid of sick people/wants the poor dead, etc. That implies that they give the first shit about anyone except The Elect.

They don’t even want you dead.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:06:26pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

“Cost reduction.”

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:07:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:08:34pm

re: #107 jaunte

“Cost reduction.”

Yup. Whether the poor and sick thus live or die is not of interest.

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sagehen  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:08:51pm

re: #63 Stanley Sea

Philly, you’ll appreciate this.

I’m binge watching Poldark season 2.

I also appreciate it. Ross is DREAMY!!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:09:33pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:14:14pm
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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:23:52pm

Your random flying cat moment:

[…]

Modern domestic cats appear to have all originated in one of two places. The first was Anatolia, which roughly corresponds to modern-day Turkey.

[…]

Wow. My cats still go for turkey first.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:24:55pm

re: #110 sagehen

I also appreciate it. Ross is DREAMY!!

Beyond dreamy!!

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:31:42pm

OK—if you want to see a timeline with a complete collection of conspiracy loons, check out Jack Posobiec’s hysteria that UPS won’t give him, A VETERAN (whatever the hell that has to do with anything) his package of books he wrote about Trump (I’m sure it’s a winner) because reasons.

I’ll link to the wonkette article that has it, because it also explains the dueling alt-idiots rallies planned for tomorrow. These people are just not right. (well, they’re “alt-right” but they’re oh so not right)

wonkette.com

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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:32:00pm

My plans for tonight include catching up with the rest of… everyone. A friend loaned me the first season of Game of Thrones. I am the only person left who hasn’t seen any of it yet, aren’t I?

Got my mohitos ready. :)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:35:55pm

re: #115 BeachDem

OK—if you want to see a timeline with a complete collection of conspiracy loons, check out Jack Posobiec’s hysteria that UPS won’t give him, A VETERAN (whatever the hell that has to do with anything) his package of books he wrote about Trump (I’m sure it’s a winner) because reasons.

I’ll link to the wonkette article that has it, because it also explains the dueling alt-idiots rallies planned for tomorrow. These people are just not right. (well, they’re “alt-right” but they’re oh so not right)

wonkette.com

You know for people who insist liberals whine all the time, they sure do a lot themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:37:02pm

re: #116 allegro

My plans for tonight include catching up with the rest of… everyone. A friend loaned me the first season of Game of Thrones. I am the only person left who hasn’t seen any of it yet, aren’t I?

Got my mohitos ready. :)

I still need to watch the latest season. I’m going to be doing that next week when I return from my mini 4th of July trip.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:37:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:38:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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No, they don’t.

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:40:24pm

re: #116 allegro

My plans for tonight include catching up with the rest of… everyone. A friend loaned me the first season of Game of Thrones. I am the only person left who hasn’t seen any of it yet, aren’t I?

Got my mohitos ready. :)

Nope. I have never watched a minute. I will be the only one probably…but I think there are others. It’s a secret society.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:41:53pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Nope. I have never watched a minute. I will be the only one probably…but I think there are others. It’s a secret society.

Ima member.

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:42:21pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
@SenBobCasey Asking Republicans to “examine their conscience” is like asking a dog to do calculus.
6:38 PM - 24 Jun 2017
2 2 Retweets 1 1 like

I bet the dogs get further along though. They will at least give some effort.

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wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:42:55pm

re: #116 allegro

My plans for tonight include catching up with the rest of… everyone. A friend loaned me the first season of Game of Thrones. I am the only person left who hasn’t seen any of it yet, aren’t I?

Got my mohitos ready. :)

I have seen none of it.

I have never had a mojito.

I am a freak.

I am realizing it’s not the (big, green) helmet that makes me one. It just completes me.

Oooh, it’s a club. Can I get anyone a helmet?

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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:43:46pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Ima member.

I figure if I like it I’ll get the whole set (about $40 on Ebay). Once I’m done we can mail it around to all the other members so we can be culturally current. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:49:57pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:50:33pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

How the… How the FUCK do they think this is supposed to come across as a good idea?

You have to look at it from a Republican POV. It’ll kill the weak and unlucky just like Conservative God wants.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:51:24pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:53:04pm

Another video, this one for cat lovers

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:54:25pm

re: #128 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You have to look at it from a Republican POV. It’ll kill the weak and unlucky just like Conservative God wants.

I tend to agree with what is said upthread. I don’t think they’re explicitly trying to kill off the underprivileged. It’s simply a side benefit. Their true god is money, and anything that pinches even a penny is a benefit to them, regardless of whom it hurts or how.

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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:55:53pm

re: #131 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I tend to agree with what is said upthread. I don’t think they’re explicitly trying to kill off the underprivileged. It’s simply a side benefit. Their true god is money, and anything that pinches puts in their pockets even a penny is a benefit to them, regardless of whom it hurts or how.

FTFY

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covfefe  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:57:40pm

re: #84 lawhawk

Oh I am definitely aware. They really suck. If they make it into Lake Michigan, they’ll make it into every river in NE IL.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:58:20pm
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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:58:53pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Ima member.

Me three.

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Cheechako  Jun 24, 2017 • 3:59:20pm

re: #135 BeachDem

Me three.

Same here.

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:03:10pm

re: #115 BeachDem

OK—if you want to see a timeline with a complete collection of conspiracy loons, check out Jack Posobiec’s hysteria that UPS won’t give him, A VETERAN (whatever the hell that has to do with anything) his package of books he wrote about Trump (I’m sure it’s a winner) because reasons.

I’ll link to the wonkette article that has it, because it also explains the dueling alt-idiots rallies planned for tomorrow. These people are just not right. (well, they’re “alt-right” but they’re oh so not right)

wonkette.com

I watched the Jack Posobiec video they had linked at Wonkette. What did I watch???

And I learned some of the haters don’t like some of the other haters because they hate a little too much and they hate that, so they are forming their own hate demonstration and the original haters hate that.

We were talking about tribalism earlier.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:06:05pm

re: #130 I Would Prefer Not To

Another video, this one for cat lovers

I just got back from walking my dogs, and it’s to freakin’ hot here for my brain to even begin to comprehend that

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:07:02pm

The scariest thing to me is if the GOP gets this shitshow of a bill passed we have a Supreme Court that will mostly likely uphold the fucking thing even if it were challenged.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:08:26pm

Completely and utterly OT…

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:08:38pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:09:15pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mike Pence ✔ @mike_pence
Before summer’s out, we’ll repeal/replace Obamacare w/ system based on personal responsibility, free-market competition & state-based reform
12:41 PM - 24 Jun 2017

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mike Pence ✔ @mike_pence
That’s the Republican way. That’s the American way. And, that’s the way we’re going to reform health care in the 21st Century.
12:42 PM - 24 Jun 2017
407 407 Retweets 2,753 2,753 likes

Certainly is the Republican way: throw 10’s of millions off health care, reduce benefits for most of the rest, hike up premiums, and allow a million to die prematurely because they are unable to get necessary treatment.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:09:25pm

re: #136 Cheechako

Same here.

We have a quorum!

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:13:11pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

We have a quorum!

We’ll need secret passwords, door knocks and hand signals.

We may have already given up too much in this thread.

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Cheechako  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:13:16pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

We have a quorum!

Enough for a binge watching party?

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:18:26pm
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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:18:33pm

re: #145 Cheechako

Enough for a binge watching party?

Just about to start. Come on over!

May I just whine about the fact that my BluRay player is sitting on top of my electric fireplace (and under my TV) and they are both set at the same remote frequency? It’s over 90 degrees and my fireplace keeps turning on. Do. Not. Like. But the mohitos are ice cold so that’s something.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:20:38pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:22:09pm

And, like probably most of you I first read this tweet and thought, “Wait one damn minute, last weeks London attack was done by….”
Luckily, before shot of a profane reply tweet, I bothered to read the linked article.

“…There was one crucial difference, of course: The attacker was trying to kill Muslims—as ISIS itself does when it targets Shia mosques—ramming a van into a crowd leaving a London mosque after iftar on Sunday…”

“…Any ISIS operatives monitoring the situation at the mosque in London must have been delighted. The attacker may not have claimed allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, but he adopted ISIS’s approach and weapons, and in doing so, he helped further the group’s motive of undermining the power of European governments.”

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unproven innocence  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:22:48pm

British Parliament Hit by Cyberattack, Affecting Email Access
By STEVEN ERLANGER JUNE 24, 2017
Excerpt:

Last week, there were reports in The Times of London that the passwords of British cabinet ministers, ambassadors and senior police officers were being sold online after Russian hacking groups gained access.

According to The Times, the stolen data revealed the private login details of 1,000 British members of Parliament and parliamentary staff, 7,000 police employees and more than 1,000 Foreign Office officials.

What a revolting development this is. Hope they don’t get spooked into passing some really stupid laws in response to it.

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Weaselone  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:24:19pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Don’t play that game. The Democrats aren’t running against the white working class. The whole framing of that tweet was BS.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:25:47pm

HAHAHAHA!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:26:09pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Kurt Akemann @Dark_Falcon7
@RMPLabradog @20committee Trump Derangement Syndrome strikes again.
4:50 PM - 23 Jun 2017]

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:28:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:30:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:32:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:35:40pm

re: #151 Weaselone

Don’t play that game. The Democrats aren’t running against the white working class. The whole framing of that tweet was BS.

The problem is that WWC being the largest demographic is a common misconception that Bernie himself has espoused multiple times.

This persistent framing in our politics that paints the white working class as either the largest or the most dispassionate, ideologically neutral and purely economically motivated voting block is utter garbage.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:36:06pm

re: #116 allegro

My plans for tonight include catching up with the rest of… everyone. A friend loaned me the first season of Game of Thrones. I am the only person left who hasn’t seen any of it yet, aren’t I?

Got my mohitos ready. :)

I’m going through it now for the first time. Hold on.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:36:08pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:37:20pm

Well, that’s encouraging…
//
Given that it’s not likely they can actually set up new “Koch towns” I guess they’ll have just rename a few existing towns/villages…

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:38:19pm

re: #152 Dave In Austin

HAHAHAHA!!!

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In the world according to me, the only person allowed to wear a man bun EVAH is Lin Manuel Miranda. That is all.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:39:49pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

The one that got away.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:40:16pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

So yeah, while we’re not at war with the white working class we absolutely should be at war with the idea that we need to re-center our politics around them. They’re by and large poorly educated and motivated by cultural revanchism. Democratic Party CANNOT win them over, period, and even if we could it would come at the expense of losing (and more importantly, deserving to lose) the votes within the minority demographics in Obama’s coalition that are actually growing.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:40:48pm

re: #161 BeachDem

In the world according to me, the only person allowed to wear a man bun EVAH is Lin Manuel Miranda. That is all.

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I think he has removed the topknot at this point.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:41:45pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

The problem is that WWC being the largest demographic is a common misconception that Bernie himself has espoused multiple times.

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This persistent framing in our politics that paints the white working class as either the largest or the most dispassionate, ideologically neutral and purely economically motivated voting block is utter garbage.

Half or more of the working class is female, and it isn’t particularly white. Unite or die.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:44:01pm

re: #164 Dave In Austin

I think he has removed the topknot at this point.

Yes, but IMO he is the only person who ever wore one and didn’t look like a total dork.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:44:38pm

Cool. Joaquin Castro just followed me on Twitter.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:46:45pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Half or more the working class is female, and it isn’t particularly white. Unite or die.

Which is my other point, when people like Bernie conflate the working class in explicit terms with white people it’s a rather flagrant form of erasure.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:46:50pm
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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:49:42pm

re: #166 BeachDem

Yes, but IMO he is the only person who ever wore one and didn’t look like a total dork.

There is another:

David Garrett. Ooof.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:49:53pm

re: #168 goddamnedfrank

Which is my other point, when people like Bernie conflate the working class in explicit terms with white people it’s a rather flagrant form of erasure.

I’m not seeing much use of the term “White Working Class/WWC” from the progressive side. It’s mostly used by those who want to see people fragmented. Don’t know where to find non-anecdotal stats on that.

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allegro  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:57:55pm

Now I’m really outa here. Gonna lose my GoT virginity. :D

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:58:47pm

re: #172 allegro

Now I’m really outa here. Gonna lose my GoT virginity. :D

We’ll still respect you in the morning.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 4:59:14pm

re: #172 allegro

Now I’m really outa here. Gonna lose my GoT virginity. :D

Spoiler alert: If you like a character, they’ll die. Horribly.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:00:03pm

re: #174 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Spoiler alert: If you like a character, they’ll die. Horribly.

Even if you don’t like them.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:06:14pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

Never had any. He could just echo his father, and make excuses for the mad things Republicans say and do.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:09:10pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

It really seems he was never not one, much like the majority of the so-called ‘Never Trump’ principled conservatives. THe ones who actually remained Never Trump out of principle countable on two hands (hey there Ms. Navarro and Mr. McMullin).

I didn’t have as much experience with him as most of you guys seemed to, but his supposed existential crisis over his Republican creds came off as insincere and the fig leaf grew smaller and smaller every time he spoke.

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Broad With Sass  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:09:37pm

re: #136 Cheechako

make it quadrophonic

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Weaselone  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:09:41pm

re: #175 retired cynic

Even if you don’t like them.

It’s the horrible deaths of characters your don’t like that make the whole thing worthwhile.///

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:10:11pm

re: #179 Weaselone

It’s the horrible deaths of characters your don’t like that make the whole thing worthwhile.///

You’ll note that I said the characters you like die horribly. The ones you don’t die … rather satisfyingly.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:11:01pm

re: #180 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’ll note that I said the characters you like die horribly. The ones you don’t die … rather satisfyingly.

“Nice doggy”.

Mopping on a nice baste for the mosquitoes and walking my dog. BBL.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:11:27pm

re: #181 Decatur Deb

“Nice doggy”.

Mopping on a nice baste for the mosquitoes and walking my dog. BBL.

Mrs. Fish literally stood up and cheered at that one.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:11:30pm

Had tickets, but was turned away for thoughtcrime.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:12:27pm

re: #140 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #140 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:13:09pm

re: #183 jaunte

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Had tickets, but was turned away for thoughtcrime.

After all, it’s a Republican district. If you’re there and look like you might disagree with her, you obviously aren’t REALLY a constituent. WInner-take-all and all that. That’s how it works, right?….right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:13:54pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

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I’m shocked…how about the rest of y’all?

*spit*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:20:08pm

re: #151 Weaselone

Don’t play that game. The Democrats aren’t running against the white working class. The whole framing of that tweet was BS.

Somebody should tell that to Bernie and his fan club.

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:21:12pm

re: #183 jaunte

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Had tickets, but was turned away for thoughtcrime.

Not sure how they figured the ticket-holder was a dirty fucking dissenter, but the temporary solution (though it’s nauseating that it’s even necessary) is to, as much as possible, dress up like one of the “desirables”*

*Assuming that you’re already the right skin color. If the ticket-holder was rejected due to failing this test, then… o_O

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:23:05pm

re: #154 jaunte

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I want Pence to walk that premature baby through the steps of personal responsibility and then explain to that baby how he/she ran through the lifetime cap of coverage before first birthday.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:24:29pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

Fischer’s people might have recognized them as a non-supporter. Still, Fisher is supposed to be senator for the whole state.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:24:58pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Cool. Joaquin Castro just followed me on Twitter.

He could be pres. someday.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:25:29pm

This may be more of the Trump effect: representing only your supporters.

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:25:47pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want Pence to walk that premature baby through the steps of personal responsibility and then explain to that baby how he/she ran through the lifetime cap of coverage before first birthday.

Durr hurr, it’s the parents’ fault for not being personally responsible enough to set aside enough $$$$$ to cover that outcome before they decided to have kids. Derp.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:28:27pm
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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:29:52pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want Pence to walk that premature baby through the steps of personal responsibility and then explain to that baby how he/she ran through the lifetime cap of coverage before first birthday.

I want Pence to utter one sentence that doesn’t sound like it came from a meme generator. (My needs are simple.)

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MsJ  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:32:45pm

re: #195 BeachDem

I want Pence to utter one sentence that doesn’t sound like it came from a meme generator. (My needs are simple.)

I’d not hold your breath. You’ll need the insurance they’re taking away from you.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:33:45pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

After what he posted about my son, I don’t give an aerodynamic intercourse aimed at Earth’s natural satellite what he tweets…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:35:57pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want Pence to walk that premature baby through the steps of personal responsibility and then explain to that baby how he/she ran through the lifetime cap of coverage before first birthday.

Vice President Asshole will tell the parents to beg for help from private charities and churches. If a couple bingos and bake sales aren’t enough to cover the cost of care there’s the next step—put coin canisters in the local 7-11s!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:36:00pm

Off to the races he is….

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TedStriker  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:36:56pm

re: #183 jaunte

I’m at Deb Fischer’s campaign event in Lincoln. They are screening attendees at the door. I was turned away as someone likely to dissent

— Indivisible Lincoln (@indivisibleLNK) June 24, 2017

Had tickets, but was turned away for thoughtcrime.

re: #188 Interesting Times

re: #183 jaunte

Not sure how they figured the ticket-holder was a dirty fucking dissenter, but the temporary solution (though it’s nauseating that it’s even necessary) is to, as much as possible, dress up like one of the “desirables”*

*Assuming that you’re already the right skin color. If the ticket-holder was rejected due to failing this test, then… o_O

re: #190 jaunte

Fischer’s people might have recognized them as a non-supporter. Still, Fisher is supposed to be senstor for the whole state.

re: #192 jaunte

This may be more of the Trump effect: representing only your supporters.

This is also massaging the crowd for the media: no dissenters in the crowd and the media feeds present a united Republican front supporting the senator (and Trump, by extension).

Goebbels would be proud.

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:38:43pm

Damn, I could have gone some more time not having to see HA Goodman mentioned. No offense, but I had sort of forgotten about him since the turn of the year.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:40:05pm
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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:40:52pm

re: #201 ObserverArt

Damn, I could have gone some more time not having to see HA Goodman mentioned. No offense, but I had sort of forgotten about him since the turn of the year.

But but… He’s being represented in the proper light…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:42:00pm

re: #203 Dave In Austin

But but… He’s being represented in the proper light…

The proper light to represent Goodman is Kirlovian radiation from a pair of plutonium nuggets

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:43:20pm

re: #204 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ooooo.. Blue Light Special!!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:44:46pm

Someones on a roll…..

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darthstar  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:45:02pm

I threw a dry rub on some country style pork spare ribs last night. This morning, at around 6:30, I threw them in a 165 degree circulating water bath for 9 hours…they’ve been in the grill with a smoker box for the last two hours…the smell of smoke is now wafting in through the open windows…Sometimes it’s good to take a down day and just cook some slow food.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:47:56pm

Ha. I was looking for a certain photo on Facebook, and went to the home of a person I thought would have it. Hit Music instead of Photos, and his first pick was Al Jarreau! I knew he had good taste.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:51:56pm

re: #207 darthstar

I threw a dry rub on some country style pork spare ribs last night. This morning, at around 6:30, I threw them in a 165 degree circulating water bath for 9 hours…they’ve been in the grill with a smoker box for the last two hours…the smell of smoke is now wafting in through the open windows…Sometimes it’s good to take a down day and just cook some slow food.

That’s pretty slow, but I’ve made some damn good ribs in my rented condo’s electric oven at a slow cook for four hours, followed by a 5-minute blast after application of honey mustard sauce.

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:54:11pm

This is how you do bumper-sticker slogans that are still a) substantial and b) truthful:

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:54:56pm

CNBC gives some free publicity to one of the worst people in America.

cnbc.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:57:43pm

re: #179 Weaselone

It’s the horrible deaths of characters your don’t like that make the whole thing worthwhile.///

Too bad they die after causing terrible deaths of those you do like!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:57:57pm

Too harsh?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 5:59:04pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Too harsh?

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Not harsh enough!

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Archangelus  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:03:18pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Too harsh?

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Not harsh enough for my tastes.

Was actually not that far from him at one point during his visit to the country. Thankfully not too much near him though, as the temptation to shout something specifically anti-trump and generally obscene (combined with the word ‘shmuck’ of course) would probably have been too immense….

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darthstar  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:06:03pm

Jesus…you offer a little constructive criticism, and it gets misunderstood, then retweeted…and she retweeted herself.

My TL is going to go to shit for the next few days, isn’t it? Fuck.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:06:24pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Too harsh?

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Just about right—and for you, Frank:

In the days and weeks after the election, self-proclaimed “cooler heads” sifted through the ashes and came away with the conclusion that those of us with brains in our heads hadn’t been listening to the people who swept Trump into office. We were told that elitists who lived on either coast had failed to gauge the mood of the country.

Well, I wear a WalMart wardrobe and I live in land-locked, sweltering Arizona, but I’ve always known that there are way too many pissed-off white people. And they’re pissed off for the wrong reason or no valid reason at all.

tucsonweekly.com

And his intro is me—every fucking day:

About all we have is that one moment in the morning between where we wake up and see that the sun is shining and when we remember who is the President of the United States.

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Archangelus  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:06:27pm

By the way, for the Doctor Who fans among us here, if you haven’t yet watched tonight’s episode, brace yourself for shock and awe - and for the love of all things holy to mankind, steer clear of the internet short of LGF until you do! /YouHaveBeenWarned

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:10:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:18:24pm

re: #190 jaunte

Fischer’s people might have recognized them as a non-supporter. Still, Fisher is supposed to be senator for the whole state.

Exactly. Suddenly all these GOP senators and congresspeople are like “I only represent Republicans!”

NO, you FUCKING DON’T. You represent everyone in your district and any assertion to the contrary is as blatant an anathema to the heart of American democracy as I’ve ever seen.

This is getting way too out of hand and we’re only 5 months into the Trump Presidency.

It’s gonna be a long 4 years if not a long 8…

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JordanRules  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:21:06pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Damn right!! And it should always be called out.
Keep remembering and proclaiming this is not normal. Not okay and not normal.

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:22:01pm

re: #220 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s gonna be a long 4 years if not a long 8…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:23:27pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

CNBC gives some free publicity to one of the worst people in America.

cnbc.com

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Gah.

Fuck it, that’s it. I’m never watching any NBC network ever again.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:23:31pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:24:40pm

re: #222 Interesting Times

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:25:15pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

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If they object, they’ll lose “access”.
Just like if Twitter objects, they’ll lose advertising revenue.
Or if Bernie objects, he’ll lose his white working class.
And Blue Lives Matter as long as it’s a white life in the blue uniform.
And so on. No one with power cares.
We are a de facto white supremacist state but they won’t worry about making it a de jure one since this way they can pretend to still let everyone be “free”.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:37:26pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

CNBC gives some free publicity to one of the worst people in America.

cnbc.com

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Wow—and apparently she just took everything the furby said at face value:

But he says the evidence in a case he solved-a video of Barack Obama during an early trip to Kenya which raised over $10,000 and an purported early manuscript of “Dreams From My Father” which raised over $7,800-cost Johnson and his team money to obtain, he said.

Yeah—that certainly “solved” things. Arrggh.

And this just made me cringe (not only for the idiocy, but for the terrible writing and lack of proofreading):

We Searcher’s cut is higher than other crowdfunding platforms, Johnson says, to offset mounting costs from things such as fending off online attacks and arguments with payment processing companies, Johnson said.

All in all, I rate this article pathetic: 1/10—go home, Michelle Castillo, you’re drunk.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:40:03pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

Wow. I’ve never seen that NPR interview before. Sanders’ comments are disgusting on multiple levels especially his equation of White people with the working class. Is he not aware of the Black and Brown working class? Or do they not matter?

Hope he doesn’t run again in 2020 for the Democratic Presidential candidacy. His words don’t sit well with me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:40:07pm

car tunes have my mind remembering the best ones:

Johnny Cash One Piece At A Time

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:40:31pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

re: #227 BeachDem

Meanwhile, you seemingly can’t pay a print journalist to even bring it upon themselves to interview a Hillary voter.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:40:54pm

It really irritates me the way so many people are now voicing their disappointment with Obama like he could’ve realistically (or responsibly) done any different.

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Citizen K  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:42:40pm

re: #228 Patricia Kayden

Wow. I’ve never seen that NPR interview before. Sanders’ comments are disgusting on multiple levels especially his equation of White people with the working class. Is he not aware of the Black and Brown working class? Or do they not matter?

Hope he doesn’t run again in 2020 for the Democratic Presidential candidacy. His words don’t sit well with me.

The ultimate irony, and one I and others pointed out when he was beating this drum in the immediate aftermath of the electiion, is that most of that vaunted “White Working Class” wouldn’t even consider someone Jewish like Bernie ‘white’.

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

Complainers are pretending that those who didn’t believe Hillary when she said it would have believed Obama if he said it, or that Obama even attempting to sound an alarm wouldn’t be seen as the worst attempt to influence an election evar and send even more people reflexively away from Hillary’s camp.

This was a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation if this is how it really played out.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:45:50pm
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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:46:45pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:49:07pm

re: #218 Archangelus

By the way, for the Doctor Who fans among us here, if you haven’t yet watched tonight’s episode, brace yourself for shock and awe - and for the love of all things holy to mankind, steer clear of the internet short of LGF until you do! /YouHaveBeenWarned

On that note, goodnight then. Until tomorrow night.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:49:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:49:54pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

yeppers, “white men” is the operative phrase here because the white WOMAN said it often and we know how well that worked out.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:51:09pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Not harsh enough. I can’t believe that Trump had the nerve to send Kushner to the Middle East in the first place. He has zero qualifications except being married to his daughter. What is the Secretary of State doing? Why wasn’t he sent?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:51:09pm

re: #232 Citizen K

The ultimate irony, and one I and others pointed out when he was beating this drum in the immediate aftermath of the electiion, is that most of that vaunted “White Working Class” wouldn’t even consider someone Jewish like Bernie ‘white’.

Complainers are pretending that those who didn’t believe Hillary when she said it would have believed Obama if he said it, or that Obama even attempting to sound an alarm wouldn’t be seen as the worst attempt to influence an election evar and send even more people reflexively away from Hillary’s camp.

This was a damned if you do damned if you don’t situation if this is how it really played out.

Bernie thinks because he gets elected in Vermont which really isn’t as working class he claims (19/50 by state median income), he gets to speak for all the working class people. He really thinks he is the only elected official who understands their concerns and frankly I find it patronizing as hell as do I his attitude towards key members of our coalition.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:51:21pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

Too harsh?

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Not. Harsh. Enough.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:51:38pm

re: #238 Patricia Kayden

Not harsh enough. I can’t believe that Trump had the nerve to send Kushner to the Middle East in the first place. He has zero qualifications except being married to his daughter. What is the Secretary of State doing? Why wasn’t he sent?

You said it already, Jared’s married to his daughter, Tillerson is not.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:52:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:53:53pm

We need to be honest about the WWC and Sanders just lacks any honesty on that subject. The fact of the matter is we started to lose that demographic not by moving ot the center on economics but because that group was bothered by the fact that the Democratic Party became vocal supporters of civil and economic rights for all Americans regardless of skin color. I really don’t appreciate a man whose state has barely any racial minorities telling us to ignore race. You can’t ignore it. You can’t ignore that Sanders has served in Congress with people who got to their positions by race baiting and others like John Lewis who witnessed first hand racism at its worst.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:55:05pm

re: #153 Hecuba’s daughter

Pretty sad how DF has become such a Trump acolyte; he certainly seems to have lost any capacity for independent thought

I honestly wonder if he ever had any and a lot of what we saw here was an act because he knew if he showed his true colors, he’d get chewed out.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:57:10pm

Someones shooting fireworks outside.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:57:54pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Happy 24th!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:58:32pm

re: #246 jaunte

Happy 24th!

Thank you! Oh wait that’s next month. I’m not 30 yet!

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:58:44pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Someones shooting fireworks outside.

Someone shot some fireworks off last night, scared the shit out of my dog. He went into his crate and wouldn’t come out for almost two hours.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:58:54pm

I think Malcolm has a mission. He has no love for the Mensch….

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:59:15pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

You said it already, Jared’s married to his daughter, Tillerson is not.

What credentials did Tillerson have? Knowing how to negotiate with oil-rich nations to get a good deal for Exxon? His knowledge of Middle East history is probably no better than Jared’s.

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LastYearsMan  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:59:24pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I’ve bicycled around Barcelona - it’s really easy to get lost because every block looks the same.

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Love that photo. I can nearly see my old apartment, when is just out of frame to the left (by the old bullfighting stadium). Despite the view in that photo, there’s actually a fair amount of open space and parks around there. Was a great place to live.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 6:59:48pm

re: #248 teleskiguy

Someone shot some fireworks off last night, scared the shit out of my dog. He went into his crate and wouldn’t come out for almost two hours.

Jerks. Fortunately our dogs can handle it but still.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:00:07pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

What credentials did Tillerson have? Knowing how to negotiate with oil-rich nations to get a good deal for Exxon? His knowledge of Middle East history is probably no better than Jared’s.

Yeah Tillerson in himself was a whopper.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:00:29pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

I honestly wonder if he ever had any and a lot of what we saw here was an act because he knew if he showed his true colors, he’d get chewed out.

Without taking this analogy too far I’m reminded of Gollum and Smeagol. I think what we saw was a struggle towards expressing the version of himself he very much wanted to be, but that addiction to party never allowed him to actually become.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:00:44pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Someones shooting fireworks outside.

“On the stairs I smoke a cigarette alone
Mexican kids are shooting fireworks below
Hey Baby, it’s 4th of July…”

X - 4th of July

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:01:08pm

re: #250 Hecuba’s daughter

I think Tillerson’s only interest is freeing up Siberian oil.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:02:23pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

Without taking this analogy too far I’m reminded of Gollum and Smeagol. I think what we saw was a struggle towards expressing the version of himself he very much wanted to be, but that addition to party never allowed him to actually become.

Yep. It’s why I keep trying to work him towards what I thought he could be.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:03:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:04:01pm

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

Without taking this analogy too far I’m reminded of Gollum and Smeagol. I think what we saw was a struggle towards expressing the version of himself he very much wanted to be, but that addition to party never allowed him to actually become.

I honestly don’t know. In a way, I find it sad since I did see DF show empathy and sympathy when a member of the community lost a loved one, was ill, and I’m sure if he knows of CL’s passing, it probably saddened him but what struck me about DF even before he left and started to show his true colors is I just never saw any empathy to people he didn’t know. When him and I would have our battles about Cold War policy, he never once put himself in the shoes of a Chilean dissident who would have been persecuted by our installed, Pinchoet, an Iranian done the same by the Shah, etc. It was always the Ends Justify the Means with him. He never could picture himself in the shoes of anyone other than the Cook County white male Republican that he is.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:04:24pm

re: #257 William Lewis

Yep. It’s why I keep trying to work him towards what I thought he could be.

You did very well. You were more patient than most of us were with him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:04:58pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

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My wingnut friend has the same stupid mindset. These people have no idea how actual charities work.

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:09:03pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

My wingnut friend has the same stupid mindset. These people have no idea how actual charities work.

Or how freaking harsh pressure they’re under.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:09:53pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

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I bet that, if Douglas or a family member got cancer, he’d be suddenly open to help.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:10:01pm

re: #262 Teukka

Or how freaking harsh pressure they’re under.

Yeah, you can’t just go to a charity and expect them to pay your medical bills. Man, there’s too much cruelty in this world. No attempts to understand people. It makes me sad.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:10:28pm

re: #263 Belafon

I bet that, if Douglas or a family member got cancer, he’d be suddenly open to help.

Indeed, he’d probably be the biggest supporter of socialized medicine ever if he or a loved one got suddenly sick.

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:12:25pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Yeah, you can’t just go to a charity and expect them to pay your medical bills. Man, there’s too much cruelty in this world. No attempts to understand people. It makes me sad.

Lack of empathy. A symptom of both narcissism (not vanilla and group varieties) and sociopathy.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:12:27pm

I knew a conservative guy. Very conservative on almost every issue except health care. I forget the exact reason but if I recall something had happened to him. And you know what, you do appreciate the about face but I wish conservatives would empathize more overall. I mean it’s great that guys like Portman and Cheney don’t disown their gay children like Alan Keyes did but at the same time, I honestly wish they had recongized the humanity of LGBT people before it impacted them directly.

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Belafon  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:12:48pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

If you’re mad at Obama, then you’re way too easily distracted by shiny objects to be allowed to vote.

Yes, I’m talking to you, too, Brian J.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:12:52pm
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Teukka  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:14:10pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Indeed, he’d probably be the biggest supporter of socialized medicine ever if he or a loved one got suddenly sick.

It happened to a (m) politician here in Sweden during the Alliance reign. He got hit really hard by the Sick Pay and Disability “reforms”. Got dismissed by his colleagues.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:14:25pm

re: #266 Teukka

Lack of empathy. A symptom of both narcissism (not vanilla and group varieties) and sociopathy.

L:ack of empathy is killing modern America. I see in comment sections every day.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:14:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:15:08pm

re: #270 Teukka

It happened to a (m) politician here in Sweden during the Alliance reign. He got hit really hard by the Sick Pay and Disability “reforms”. Got dismissed by his colleagues.

Not surprised. That sort of thing obviously isn’t limited to just in the U.S.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:15:48pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

You did very well. You were more patient than most of us were with him.

Remember our discussion of the church last night? He is a RC and knows the social justice teachings. That’s the source of the dissonance - he knows what he is supposed to do but he also allowed himself to be trapped by his father’s bigoted GOP identity which is where his understanding of the Cold War and the end justifying the means, comes from. That, in the end, is what has won.

He could repent, as the word actually means, and turn away from this path but most people never let themselves look deeply enough into their souls to actually do that and, to carry GDF’s analogy a bit further, would rather dance off the edge into the volcano clutching their “Precious” instead.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:16:36pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know. In a way, I find it sad since I did see DF show empathy and sympathy when a member of the community lost a loved one, was ill, and I’m sure if he knows of CL’s passing, it probably saddened him but what struck me about DF even before he left and started to show his true colors is I just never saw any empathy to people he didn’t know. When him and I would have our battles about Cold War policy, he never once put himself in the shoes of a Chilean dissident who would have been persecuted by our installed, Pinchoet, an Iranian done the same by the Shah, etc. It was always the Ends Justify the Means with him. He never could picture himself in the shoes of anyone other than the Cook County white male Republican that he is.

You should really talk to Joe Bacon to see how the other side of that coin shines.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:16:49pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

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Am I the only one who thinks those Untuckit shirts are as dorky as man buns?

The first time I saw ads for them was in an airline magazine and I thought, “What?”

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Teukka  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:17:07pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Not surprised. That sort of thing obviously isn’t limited to just in the U.S.

No it isn’t. The Tory govt under Cameron copied the Swedish example. A woman who had been in a coma for months got ordered to report to the unemployment bureau…

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:18:02pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

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Truth be told, I understand where the anger and disappointment is coming from, particularly when I read about the sociopathic turtle’s shitbaggery. The first thoughts that went through my head were, “Goddammit, Obama, why did you let yourself get beaten by McConnell?? First Garland, then Russia - you let that hyperpartisan, power-at-all-costs evil fucker WIN.”

And while I take your point about his options being limited due to dumbfuck US systemic racism, I find it hard to believe there wasn’t at least a *little* something extra he could have done. Was it well and truly impossible to strategically leak info, fight fire with fire, as it were? And if not, couldn’t he at the very least have bothered to mention Merrick Garland at the Dem convention and call out GOP obstruction? He honestly seemed to think the American public was capable of figuring things out on their own, which was…one of the grossest miscalculations of his entire presidency.

“No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public” is an enduring cliche for damn good reason.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:18:52pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

You should really talk to Joe Bacon to see how the other side of that coin shines.

I’m aware of that too. When I learned about that, that’s when my opinion on him changed completely.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:19:25pm

re: #277 Teukka

No it isn’t. The Tory govt under Cameron copied the Swedish example. A woman who had been in a coma for months got ordered to report to the unemployment bureau…

JEsus.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:21:35pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

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Which charity can help tens of millions of Americans with healthcare? Idiot.

We pay taxes to the government but are moochers if we expect them to do anything for us, right?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:22:11pm

re: #274 William Lewis

Remember our discussion of the church last night? He is a RC and knows the social justice teachings. That’s the source of the dissonance - he knows what he is supposed to do but he also allowed himself to be trapped by his father’s bigoted GOP identity which is where his understanding of the Cold War and the end justifying the means, comes from. That, in the end, is what has won.

He could repent, as the word actually means, and turn away from this path but most people never let themselves look deeply enough into their souls to actually do that and, to carry GDF’s analogy a bit further, would rather dance off the edge into the volcano clutching their “Precious” instead.

Right. I come from a RC background too though not strict in the slightest. He always seemed to present his GOP identity as someone how he’d be losing his identity if he renounced the GOP. Obviously, I’ve never met his father so I don’t know what kind of man he is but I just hate to think any father or parent would do that sort of thing to their child over their beliefs. But I’m lucky, my Dad and his Dad before him always encouraged lively debate and disagreement was considered not only acceptable but expected between father and son.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:22:49pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Someones shooting fireworks outside.

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:23:12pm

re: #228 Patricia Kayden

Wow. I’ve never seen that NPR interview before. Sanders’ comments are disgusting on multiple levels especially his equation of White people with the working class. Is he not aware of the Black and Brown working class? Or do they not matter?

Hope he doesn’t run again in 2020 for the Democratic Presidential candidacy. His words don’t sit well with me.

I would imagine Bernie would say if you raise the white working class you get an “all boats will rise” effect or something like that.

Of course that would be flawed thinking, but if you gotta do the political dance you could use that as a theoryexcuse. It would be sorta like trickle down economics.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:23:15pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy Birthday Sleuth!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:23:49pm

It’s like these people have no concept of the social contract. Okay, I get it, you don’t like paying taxes for people you don’t know or who you think don’t deserve your support but you know what, that’s fucking how a free society works. A lot of the military tech we spends billions on is going to have problems. I complain about that, I get labeled unpatriotic by these folks. They complain about having to pay for health care.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:24:03pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

Happy Birthday!

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JordanRules  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:24:36pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy Birthday!!!

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:24:52pm

Very off topic, but I have to vent.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:26:19pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

Oooh! Happy Birthday!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:26:39pm

re: #249 Dave In Austin

I think Malcolm has a mission. He has no love for the Mensch….

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Louise called Malcolm a Russian spy and other bullshit.
and this:

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:28:12pm

re: #284 ObserverArt

I would imagine Bernie would say if you raise the white working class you get an “all boats will rise” effect or something like that.

Of course that would be flawed thinking, but if you gotta do the political dance you could use that as a theoryexcuse. It would be sorta like trickle down economics.

Bernie would have probably been a lot more wise if he had stayed in Brooklyn. Of course, if he had stayed in Brooklyn, he’s probably not elected anywhere. I just want ot know where he gets this idea that we’ve been hostile to the working class. We champion unions, minimum wage increases, affordable health care, have much more opposed to outsourcing, etc than the GOP has but here’s the thing. Many of those voters are social conservatives so they prefer the GOP because they’re anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-gun control, etc. For a guy like my mom’s dad, it didn’t make much difference, he definitely was more of a social conservative than I or my mom are but he also saw the GOP for the greedy bastards they are so he couldn’t bother to vote GOP even if he had qualms about legal abortion, stricter gun laws, etc. He by no means was what I’d call a perfect man on the subject of race but I think unlike so many of the WWC, he didn’t resent the fact that his tax dollars went to people of color as well. Another thing as a veteran, he never had a war lust.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:28:51pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

Louise called Malcolm a Russian spy and other bullshit.
and this:

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I don’t know Malcolm that well but I was very impressed with how he confronted the Breitbart bastard the other week on Maher.

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JordanRules  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:31:09pm
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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:31:11pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

Happy birthday, from one old broad to another.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:32:33pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

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Name the specific charity, Douglas.

I’ll not hold my breath whilst I wait…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:33:00pm

Seems to me in the past, there was more caring about helping people when they were down but as said, that was before the idea that LBJ especially championed that all Americans regardless of skin color should be helped if they’re in need. It really seems to me that the new right (post WWII) owes its very existence and success to white resentment. And I guess that makes it hard for me to respect the conservative ideology of the past 50 something years. It’s one thing ot me if you disagree with these programs in principle, I vehemently disagree but when I see people, people who are big government recipient benefits themselves bitching about “moochers” and “welfare queens”, I want to smack people.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:36:07pm

If we’re losing the working class like Sanders repeatedly claims, then we should be struggling with working class voters of color. We’re not. And i’d honestly love to see how that group voted in the primary- I know that minority groups in general preferred Clinton but have not seen breakdown among economic status. What the new left doesn’t get is that the same thing the old left did not. And that’s there’s more to struggle than mere economics. LBJ thankfully got that as has every Democratic president since him and I really think would have gone down as a truly great American president had Vietnam been his downfall.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:37:40pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Seems to me in the past, there was more caring about helping people when they were down but as said, that was before the idea that LBJ especially championed that all Americans regardless of skin color should be helped if they’re in need. It really seems to me that the new right (post WWII) owes its very existence and success to white resentment. And I guess that makes it hard for me to respect the conservative ideology of the past 50 something years. It’s one thing ot me if you disagree with these programs in principle, I vehemently disagree but when I see people, people who are big government recipient benefits themselves bitching about “moochers” and “welfare queens”, I want to smack people.

I think Craig T. Nelson summed it up quite succinctly… (/)

Craig T. Nelson on Government Aid

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:39:07pm

re: #299 BeachDem

I think Craig T. Nelson summed it up quite succinctly… (/)

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Video

Ha exactly.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:39:21pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I don’t think people in the past were kinder or more generous. People tend to be kind and generous to people they perceive to be like themselves. This makes sense because there are people out there who will take advantage of others. When we don’t know people as individuals we don’t know who to trust, so we use “in group” status to help us choose who to help.
An example of the good old days that leaps to mind is that financial aid to single mothers generally was restricted to women who were “deserving” (widows, abandoned by their husband, etc.) and the women were subject to checks on morals. For example, it was not unheard of to make unannounced visits to go through closets and bathrooms looking for evidence that there was a man staying over.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:41:08pm

re: #301 calochortus

I don’t think people in the past were kinder or more generous. People tend to be kind and generous to people they perceive to be like themselves. This makes sense because there are people out there who will take advantage of others. When we don’t know people as individuals we don’t know who to trust, so we use “in group” status to help us choose who to help.
An example of the good old days that leaps to mind is that financial aid to single mothers generally was restricted to women who were “deserving” (widows, abandoned by their husband, etc.) and the women were subject to checks on morals. For example, it was not unheard of to make unannounced visits to go through closets and bathrooms looking for evidence that there was a man staying over.

Good points. People definitely are more kind and generous to those they actually know. Didn’t know that about the financial aid to single moms in the past.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:49:31pm

re: #289 wheat-dogg

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:49:34pm
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ObserverArt  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:49:47pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

Happy Birthday Sleuth. I hope you have many more.

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Interesting Times  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:50:00pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

If we’re losing the working class like Sanders repeatedly claims, then we should be struggling with working class voters of color. We’re not.

Well, some say otherwise: The Democrats’ ‘Working-Class Problem’ - It’s not only with whites. It reaches well into the party’s base.

But introspection among progressives—including those at the White House—failed to see the retreat of hard-pressed working-class voters in the new American majority of minorities, unmarried women, and millennials, most of whom do not have a four-year degree. While the president was calling on these base voters to come to the polls to defend the progress we’d presumably made, these voters, too, were angry about the claims of jobs and about Wall Street’s undimmed influence. They knew these jobs paid dramatically less. They saw the government rescue the big banks but do next to nothing about the home foreclosures and lost wealth in their Hispanic and black communities. That is why about 40 percent of the Rising American Electorate disapproved of how the president was doing his job in both 2010 and 2014. Every segment of this progressive base underperformed on vote and turnout in 2010, and their disengagement in 2014 gave us the lowest off-year turnout in any election since World War II and with it, another Republican wave.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:51:07pm

re: #304 Dave In Austin

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This is a cult.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:51:47pm

The Rage Furby reacts…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:52:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:52:52pm

re: #308 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby reacts…

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It’ll be a happy day when that bastard’s stuck making payments to his EX-HAW.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:56:44pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:57:34pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:58:16pm

re: #276 BeachDem

Am I the only one who thinks those Untuckit shirts are as dorky as man buns?

The first time I saw ads for them was in an airline magazine and I thought, “What?”

It’s a gimmick to make money from people who have more money than sense. I’ve always had Untuckit shirts — I take a regular shirt and I don’t tuck it in. Problem solved!

Incidentally, untucking is common in Asia, because of the heat, so that kind of shirt style — long enough to cover the belt and with a straight hem — is very common. I have a few, in fact. The Untuckit people are likely buying these shirts for cheap wholesale and jacking up the price to fleece the unwitting.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 7:58:27pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Good points. People definitely are more kind and generous to those they actually know. Didn’t know that about the financial aid to single moms in the past.

My paternal great grandparents in Sweden couldn’t make a go of it on the farm they rented and fell into the category of inhyseshjon (dependent tenant) which is evidently colloquially translated as “parasite” since they are lodgers who can’t pay rent.
Obviously they received charity-they had a cottage to live in-but they lost 3 babies in 4 years so things must have been difficult in the extreme. Eventually they moved a few miles away where in his late 50s my great grandfather got a job quarrying stone. I cannot imagine.
So, even under those circumstances charity was limited and came with a lot of social censure, though I’m sure the whole community was dirt poor and there wasn’t a lot to go around.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:01:50pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

Happy Birthday!! Hope your day was fabulous.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:06:52pm

re: #294 JordanRules

Ragnarok Lobster @eclecticbrotha
No amount of “Obama should’ve warned us” makes up for the fact white people knew Trump was unfit to be president but voted for him anyway.
12:46 PM - 23 Jun 2017

No they didn’t. Most of his voters really believed him. You cannot underestimate the ignorance of the American public. The racism too — but they are blind to the truth. They live in an information bubble and reject any stories that contradict their closely held beliefs.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:09:15pm

re: #295 BeachDem

Happy birthday, from one old broad to another.

And another!

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:13:48pm

Happy birthday Backwoods_Sleuth!

New Happy Birthday Song?

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:13:55pm

re: #317 retired cynic

And another!

Hmmm, a lot of old broads here-including me.

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Weaselone  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:14:28pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

I’ve pretty much had it with the Nazi Broadcasting Company.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:14:54pm

re: #314 calochortus

My paternal great grandparents in Sweden couldn’t make a go of it on the farm they rented and fell into the category of inhyseshjon (dependent tenant) which is evidently colloquially translated as “parasite” since they are lodgers who can’t pay rent.
Obviously they received charity-they had a cottage to live in-but they lost 3 babies in 4 years so things must have been difficult in the extreme. Eventually they moved a few miles away where in his late 50s my great grandfather got a job quarrying stone. I cannot imagine.
So, even under those circumstances charity was limited and came with a lot of social censure, though I’m sure the whole community was dirt poor and there wasn’t a lot to go around.

My Swedish forebears came from a similar background. My maternal grandmother was a house servant as a young girl. It was a common practice among farm families to send the girls out to be house servants and any boys not needed on the farm to apprentice or be a farm laborer. Grandma Caroline emigrated at 19.

My maternal grandfather was the youngest of seven. He was the last to emigrate (at 20) to the USA, and was the only child to return to Sweden (twice) to bury their parents. He had been apprenticed at a young age as cabinetmaker and carpenter. His parents were tenant farmers just as you described.

My other grandmother came first to Canada, following her immigrant father (a cobbler) at age 13, then ended up working as a maid in Chicago.

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A Cranky One  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:15:02pm

re: #283 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody knows it’s my birthday…

Happy Birthday!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:18:36pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

You should really talk to Joe Bacon to see how the other side of that coin shines.

Frank knows how mean that CENSORED was when it came to the death of my son. That CENSORED was a cold Motherfather!

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:18:42pm
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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:21:20pm

re: #321 wheat-dogg

My Swedish forebears came from a similar background. My maternal grandmother was a house servant as a young girl. It was a common practice among farm families to send the girls out to be house servants and any boys not needed on the farm to apprentice or be a farm laborer. Grandma Caroline emigrated at 19.

My maternal grandfather was the youngest of seven. He was the last to emigrate (at 20) to the USA, and was the only child to return to Sweden (twice) to bury their parents. He had been apprenticed at a young age as cabinetmaker and carpenter. His parents were tenant farmers just as you described.

My other grandmother came first to Canada, following her immigrant father (a cobbler) at age 13, then ended up working as a maid in Chicago.

I gather things were pretty grim in the second half of the 19th century. The thing that astounds me is that my grandfather, coming from that background was able to get an education (first at a Free Church seminary and then in Germany, finally emigrating and spending a year studying in Chicago.) He pastored at various churches in Winnepeg and in the US and as far as I know, he never so much as mentioned the old country to his children.

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JordanRules  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:24:38pm

re: #316 Hecuba’s daughter

Disagree. They like what they were sold especially the super MAGA parts. They agree with it all. They are happy to see decades of dog whistles and “PC culture” get ramped up overnight to out right proclamations, normalisation and salutations for the worst people and ideals. This deplorable Americanism was celebrated. He gave them the hate they wanted and they voted for that and continue to. Handel in Georgia didn’t hide the piece of shit she is and she gets Red Team support regardless.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:25:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:26:59pm

re: #301 calochortus

I don’t think people in the past were kinder or more generous. People tend to be kind and generous to people they perceive to be like themselves.

That is why the traditional praise of Southern hospitality is irritating. Southern hospitality — Southern charm — was always limited to those who were white. They had no problems with separate but “equal”.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:27:57pm

re: #326 JordanRules

Disagree. They like what they were sold especially the super MAGA parts. They agree with it all. They are happy to see decades of dog whistles and “PC culture” get ramped up overnight to out right proclamations, normalisation and salutations for the worst people and ideals. This deplorable Americanism was celebrated. He gave them the hate they wanted and they voted for that and continue to. Handel in Georgia didn’t hide the piece of shit she is and she gets Red Team support regardless.

People believed the parts they liked, whatever they were, and figured “he didn’t really mean” the rest. The triumph of wishful thinking over rational thought.

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jaunte  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:28:22pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:32:50pm

re: #325 calochortus

I gather things were pretty grim in the second half of the 19th century. The thing that astounds me is that my grandfather, coming from that background was able to get an education (first at a Free Church seminary and then in Germany, finally emigrating and spending a year studying in Chicago.) He pastored at various churches in Winnepeg and in the US and as far as I know, he never so much as mentioned the old country to his children.

Yes, Sweden in the mid- to-late-XIXth century was a social and economic mess. It was overpopulated, in that there was not enough arable land to support everyone and at the time very little industry to provide alternative jobs. While there was not an official system of serfdom, as there was in Tsarist Russia, poor families were reduced to tenancy and could barely rub two pennies together. The state church was especially strict — everyone had to belong to the Swedish Lutheran Church and other forms of Christianity were forbidden. Moving upward in socioeconomic class was nearly impossible.

So, it’s no wonder that Swedes (also Norwegians) started emigrating to the USA and Canada beginning in the 1840s. They were still coming in droves even when my grandparents came over in the 1890s.

ICYMI the book series The Emigrants by Vilhelm Moberg paints a pretty accurate (and grim) picture of Sweden in the 1840s and ’50s, and what drove millions to leave it forever.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:34:27pm

re: #328 Hecuba’s daughter

That is why the traditional praise of Southern hospitality is irritating. Southern hospitality — Southern charm — was always limited to those who were white. They had no problems with separate but “equal”.

Southern ladies have a definite talent in appearing all sweet and friendly to your face, and switching to backstabbing witches as soon as you’re gone.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:35:57pm

re: #316 Hecuba’s daughter

Sorry but no, they may claim otherwise but the vast majority of his voters know he’s a racist & misogynistic scumball and voted for him because that’s what they are. That’s what America has always been and, as long as the Others suffer even more than them, they don’t care what it costs to keep it that way.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:38:56pm

re: #331 wheat-dogg

I read The Emigrants a couple years ago-the rest of the series is probably less relevant than the first one. As I recall it takes place a couple decades before my grandfather was born (1868), and things must have lightened up a bit by the late 1880s when he became a Free Church minister. He may well found greener pastures religiously as well as economically in North America.

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freetoken  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:41:49pm

re: #331 wheat-dogg

The introduction of vaccinations in Norway was at least partly to explain the population growth in the 19th century. And it has even less farmland than Norway. It is no wonder so many had to emigrate, otherwise they had not enough food and land.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:42:21pm

re: #333 William Lewis

Sorry but no, they may claim otherwise but the vast majority of his voters know he’s a racist & misogynistic scumball and voted for him because that’s what they are. That’s what America has always been and, as long as the Others suffer even more than them, they don’t care what it costs to keep it that way.

Yes most knew Trump was a racist, misogynist, and bully and didn’t care. But they also believed him when he claimed he was a brilliant businessman, who know how to negotiate with other countries, and would keep jobs here and bring back jobs that had left.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:42:45pm

re: #334 calochortus

I read The Emigrants a couple years ago-the rest of the series is probably less relevant than the first one. As I recall it takes place a couple decades before my grandfather was born (1868), and things must have lightened up a bit by the late 1880s when he became a Free Church minister. He may well found greener pastures religiously as well as economically in North America.

The Swedes who came over then were economic refugees, like many other immigrants of the XIXth. Now, some of their descendants want to keep out darker-skinned people who are economic refugees, and political refugees, because darker skin.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:43:20pm

re: #335 freetoken

The introduction of vaccinations in Norway was at least partly to explain the population growth in the 19th century. And it has even less farmland than Norway. It is no wonder so many had to emigrate, otherwise they had not enough food and land.

“Peace, vaccines, and potatoes.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:43:52pm

re: #330 jaunte

I’ll bet MI-6 knows and they probably still know someone they can trust to pass it to.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:46:22pm

re: #337 wheat-dogg

The Swedes who came over then were economic refugees, like many other immigrants of the XIXth. Now, some of their descendants want to keep out darker-skinned people who are economic refugees, and political refugees, because darker skin.

Canada advertised for Finns to settle in Saskatchewan. Swedish housemaids were quite welcome in many American homes. Scandinavians generally have no experience of that sort of discrimination.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:50:15pm

re: #336 Hecuba’s daughter

I believe that most really didn’t care about the business aspects. Long as he hammers the uppity non-whites & “femi-nazis” the rest was irrelevant. It may have played well in coal country but even there his inability to do squat about jobs doesn’t matter so long as they can abuse minorities.

Unless we can get people to the polls in 2018, this will remain the norm.

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calochortus  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:55:28pm

I’m out for the evening.
Hasta mañana, Lizards

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:55:42pm

re: #341 William Lewis

Unless we can get people to the polls in 2018, this will remain the norm.

No matter what you think of the people who voted for DT (or who didn’t vote), this is the absolutely most important thing to remember. Every day.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:57:51pm

re: #332 wheat-dogg

Southern ladies have a definite talent in appearing all sweet and friendly to your face, and switching to backstabbing witches as soon as you’re gone.

I believe that’s the basis for “Bless your heart.”

Or, in the words of the hilarious Celia Rivenbark

Bless Your Heart, Tramp

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2017 • 8:58:55pm

Watch it before it gets pulled by Prince’s lawyers.

Hot Summer

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Kragar  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:00:41pm
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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:01:05pm

re: #335 freetoken

The introduction of vaccinations in Norway was at least partly to explain the population growth in the 19th century. And it has even less farmland than Norway. It is no wonder so many had to emigrate, otherwise they had not enough food and land.

Hm. Maybe that why the GOP wants to decimate health care. “Reduce the surplus population.”

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:02:59pm

re: #345 teleskiguy

Watch it before it gets pulled by Prince’s lawyers.

[Embedded content]

Video

Too late? It won’t play for me.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:03:31pm

re: #344 BeachDem

I believe that’s the basis for “Bless your heart.”

Or, in the words of the hilarious Celia Rivenbark

Bless Your Heart, Tramp

[Embedded content]

I’ve read parts of that book. And experienced enough of Southern culture to believe every word of it.

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teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:04:11pm

re: #348 retired cynic

Too late? It won’t play for me.

Works for me. Hmm…

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wheat-dogg  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:04:24pm

re: #340 calochortus

Canada advertised for Finns to settle in Saskatchewan. Swedish housemaids were quite welcome in many American homes. Scandinavians generally have no experience of that sort of discrimination.

it’s easy when you’re white

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:04:37pm

Four Million People Can Sue for Mike Huckabee’s Christmas Movie Robocall

Lawyers allege that more than 4 million calls were made on behalf of ‘Last Ounce of Courage,’ a movie about the “War on Christmas” that has a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes.

thedailybeast.com

Article says people from Nebraska to Oklahoma received the mailing, but I got one here in South Carolina as well. (Don’t remember getting the robocall and threw the mailer away.)

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:07:05pm

re: #255 William Lewis

The demo version of that song is awesome.

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:11:23pm

re: #348 retired cynic

Too late? It won’t play for me.

Plays fine on my phone.

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retired cynic  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:11:48pm

re: #354 William Lewis

Plays fine on my phone.

Oh, well. I’ll live!

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:12:46pm

re: #350 teleskiguy

Works for me. Hmm…

No issues here

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William Lewis  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:14:38pm

re: #353 Jebediah, RBG

The demo version of that song is awesome.

Dave Alvin’s (songwriter) version is killer too. A very simple but effective bit of pop song. It was one of the first songs I taught myself on the guitar. I especially love the decending vamp between the verse & prechorus.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:14:46pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:18:37pm

re: #347 wheat-dogg

Hm. Maybe that why the GOP wants to decimate health care. “Reduce the surplus population.”

Not to mention their allies in RWNJ media. The antivaxx movement alone could eradicate whole gentry-hoods full of hipsters.

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BeachDem  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:21:38pm

re: #349 wheat-dogg

I’ve read parts of that book. And experienced enough of Southern culture to believe every word of it.

l love Celia. Have read most of her books and miss her column not being in the newspaper. I got to interview her awhile back for an event we were doing down here. She is as nice as she is funny.

Her website has a weekly column—in her story about Jared—heh:

This is what it must be like to be Jared Kushner, who was no doubt smitten by the lovely, lifelike Ivanka Trump many years ago, thinking at least her family would have less drama than his own, what with dad in prison for witness tampering, etc. WRONG! Oh, how Jared must miss those lazy pre-election weekends at Mar-a-lago with the missus. Now, before dinner’s over, he has somehow agreed to promise “Dad” he’ll make sure no child in America ever goes to bed hungry. Kidding. That never gets talked about.

celiarivenbark.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:30:18pm

The town party is on now at the community centre. The parade this morning was in front of my house (my street is where they put the reviewing stand.)

My wife and I just got back from the fire hall, where the annual giant pot luck/bar-b-que/cookout to raise money for the village fire brigade went until very late. (Our village fire brigade is organised as a non-profit, and virtually all of it is paid for through donations or grants. Without our volunteer fire department, the nearest FD would be nearly twenty miles away.)

Overstuffed on potato salad, baked beans, burgers, ahhhhh… . Tomorrow I’ll be at the village hall with the other water operator tearing through the paperwork to finish the emergency paperwork drill the state dumped on us. We also have to start draining our water tower tomorrow afternoon so it can be empty and ready for the iron company to begin work on Monday. (Gee, I wish I could get paid for this stuff… .)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 24, 2017 • 9:54:03pm

re: #122 ObserverArt

Nope. I have never watched a minute. I will be the only one probably…but I think there are others. It’s a secret society.

I’ve never seen the show nor read the book. I need someone to send along to me the secret handshake.

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Ming5000  Jun 25, 2017 • 5:04:54am

re: #147 allegro

Just about to start. Come on over!

May I just whine about the fact that my BluRay player is sitting on top of my electric fireplace (and under my TV) and they are both set at the same remote frequency? It’s over 90 degrees and my fireplace keeps turning on. Do. Not. Like. But the mohitos are ice cold so that’s something.

THAT is pretty funny.


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