Trump’s Fixer Was Paid More Than a Million Dollars by Drug Giant Novartis for Work He Was Unable to Do

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One of the weirdest bits of news about Trump’s longtime fixer and bagman Michael Cohen is how much of the money he received from corporations to provide access to Trump was paid to him even though he ended up doing nothing for them. For example, pharmaceutical giant Novartis:

Novartis said it signed a one-year contract with Cohen’s shell company, Essential Consultants, for $100,000 per month in February 2017, shortly after Trump was inaugurated as president.

Novartis said it believed Cohen “could advise the company as to how the Trump administration might approach certain U.S. health-care policy matters, including the Affordable Care Act.”

But just a month after signing the deal, Novartis executives had their first meeting with Cohen, and afterward “determined that Michael Cohen and Essentials Consultants would be unable to provide the services that Novartis had anticipated.”

But Novartis kept paying Cohen.

Cohen eventually cleared $1.2 million for this deal, providing absolutely nothing in return.

This whole thing just absolutely stinks to high heaven. Trump’s associates and cronies used his election to the presidency as a free ticket to rake in as much loot as possible by promising access to him.

And it wasn’t only Novartis; Cohen was also paid $200,000 by telecom giant AT&T to do nothing.

Meanwhile, telecom giant AT&T was also revealed to have paid Cohen’s shell company $200,000, again with no visible action.

“Essential Consulting was one of several firms we engaged in early 2017 to provide insights into understanding the new administration,” AT&T said in a statement. “They did no legal or lobbying work for us, and the contract ended in December 2017.”

All of these payments were made to a company that has no website or known employees, that was previously described as a “real-estate consulting company,” and that was only set up in October 2016. Crucially, it was the same shell company Cohen used to make a $130,000 payment to Daniels, an adult film actress, and which, according to Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, might have been used to pay off other women for Trump “if necessary.”

UPDATE at 5/9/18 12:20:01 pm by Charles Johnson

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389 comments

1
MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 11:46:45am

Oh, there is more.

2
jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 11:47:29am

Let’s play “name that circle.”

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 11:47:33am

Pay to play scheme

4
Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:48:37am

I wonder if Cohen is enjoying the fixer title actually being attached?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 11:51:07am

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Pay to play scheme

a walking wetlands restoration act

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 11:51:43am
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 11:52:04am

re: #2 jaunte

Let’s play “name that circle.”

How about calling the circle ‘rope’ as in the circular noose that is beginning to tighten around Cohen’s neck? And Hopefully that rope will cause Cohen to cough up the goods on this whole money making scheme The Trump Gang has going on.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:53:56am

re: #6 Bubblehead II

Taking a few of these CEOs down as well wouldn’t be a problem for me.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 11:54:05am

I mentioned this on twitter, but regarding Novartis:

The failure or inability of a party to a contract to perform a material term of the contract is a breach of the agreement and grounds for termination of the agreement. It is also likely fraudulent inducement to tell someone you can do something, negotiate a contract for that, all while knowing that you cannot perform said acts.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:54:16am

Makes me think that this guy is our President and had the nerve to act like he was the ethical one.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:54:46am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Makes me think that this guy is our President and had the nerve to act like he was the ethical one.

That’s because he was acting like the white one.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 11:55:41am

re: #11 Belafon

That’s because he was acting like the white one.

Yep!

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 11:56:34am

re: #8 Belafon

Taking a fewALL of these CEOs down as well wouldn’t be a problem for me.

While I still believe capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the rest, I believe we are reaching a point where the only viable way forward is to bring down the anti-trust hammer on a lot of these big companies (and we should probably start with the banks).

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 11:57:09am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a walking wetlands restoration act

That’s rapidly turning into a walking disaster area. tRump must be shitting a brick right now. Which is probably why he is saber rattling.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 11:57:28am

Several very good friends of mine work for AT&T. They are…not happy about this.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 11:58:18am

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Pay to play scheme

“This is all perfectly fine and what about The Clinton Foundation?!”

//

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 11:59:09am

re: #14 Bubblehead II

That’s rapidly turning into a walking disaster area. tRump must be shitting a brick right now. Which is probably why he is saber rattling.

“All I want is a bilateral agreement. My attorney would also like to talk to you about an influence opportunity.”

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 11:59:39am

re: #8 Belafon

Taking a few of these CEOs down as well wouldn’t be a problem for me.

I would be nice, but I expect if anything happens all they will face is a fine.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 12:00:41pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

I would be nice, but I expect if anything happens all they will face is a fine.

I went and read up on the Teapot Dome Scandal, and none of the companies involved were punished, only government officials.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:02:35pm

re: #16 Sir John Barron

“This is all perfectly fine and what about The Clinton Foundation?!”

//

The sum of all things.

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Mattand  May 9, 2018 • 12:03:43pm

Got caught up on the Cohen (SEZ WHO) news this morning in my daily round up.

All I can think of is that 30 to 40 percent of this country, when presented with this news, will just simply ignore at as all lies.

I’m too young to remember Watergate*, but were conservatives behaving like this as the evidence against Nixon mounted?

*I am old enough to remember getting yelled at by my folks for making too much noise during the Frost/Nixon interviews.

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danarchy  May 9, 2018 • 12:03:46pm

re: #3 Bubblehead II

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Pay to play scheme

Unless they can prove that money made it into the hands of administration officials it isn’t actually pay to play. As unsavory as it is people trade on their contacts all the time. You think Deval Patrick was made a managing director at Bain capital because of his investing prowess?

Maybe they could get him for not registering as a lobbyist?

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Kragar  May 9, 2018 • 12:04:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:04:14pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 12:04:59pm

re: #9 KGxvi

I mentioned this on twitter, but regarding Novartis:

The failure or inability of a party to a contract to perform a material term of the contract is a breach of the agreement and grounds for termination of the agreement. It is also likely fraudulent inducement to tell someone you can do something, negotiate a contract for that, all while knowing that you cannot perform said acts.

What do you want to bet nothing will ever be done legally because they all knew it was just for Trump favor and nothing more. Everyone is just nervously toe-tapping right now because they know they have been caught.

What I hope is ATT and Novartis realize the only way they can look good to the public they count on is to start talking and give up the details.

Also, I bet there are other such ‘deals’ with major players that wanted in on this setup. They are probably hoping it doesn’t come out, but it may be too late. Those raids on Cohen and most likely Manafort got the goods.

Muellers people are still doing the connections on Cohen and once the woman who is going through all the records determines what is good to be used by the prosecutors more is going to be coming out.

Trump did say he would never be on the take and listen to lobbyists…that was Crooked Hillary stuff. No, he would go the old fashion route…The Mob shakedown with the traditional bagman doing the collections and reporting back to The Don who was in and needed political ‘protection.’

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:05:57pm

Shoot me now. This f’in guy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 12:06:53pm

re: #26 MsJ

Victory of what??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:07:42pm
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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:07:43pm

re: #27 Eclectic Cyborg

Victory of what??

Trump gets all the money available and pure adulation. Neither of which is going to happen.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 12:08:16pm

From last thread:

OK, so what does this even mean? “President” Trump announces the US will be leaving the JCPOA Iran deal, presumably refusing to honor its terms; he announces (and implements) a stringent economic sanctions regime for US business, threatens foreign businesses (and by implication, governments) with retaliation for failure to comply with said sanctions - and this doesn’t qualify as a “violation”???!!! WTF is he thinking (if one can even use that word in the context of Donald Trump)??

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 12:08:47pm

re: #23 Kragar

Donny doesn’t even know who this Michael Cohen is, some coffee boy perhaps.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:09:24pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:09:50pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

What do you want to bet nothing will ever be done legally because they all knew it was just for Trump favor and nothing more. Everyone is just nervously toe-tapping right now because they know they have been caught.

What I hope is ATT and Novartis realize the only way they can look good to the public they count on is to start talking and give up the details.

Also, I bet there are other such ‘deals’ with major players that wanted in on this setup. They are probably hoping it doesn’t come out, but it may be too late. Those raids on Cohen and most likely Manafort got the goods.

Muellers people are still doing the connections on Cohen and once the woman who is going through all the records determines what is good to be used by the prosecutors more is going to be coming out.

Trump did say he would never be on the take and listen to lobbyists…that was Crooked Hillary stuff. No, he would go the old fashion route…The Mob shakedown with the traditional bagman doing the collections and reporting back to The Don who was in and needed political ‘protection.’

Honestly: I’ve no fucking clue how this all plays out.

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 12:10:17pm

re: #26 MsJ

Shoot me now. This f’in guy.

President Trump: “Everyone thinks” I deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, but “the prize I want is victory for the world” cnn.it

Victory for the world? What the fuck does that even mean? Is that like one of his Family Feud -esque answers like John Mulaney was talking about.

“OK President Clownstick… ‘Victory for the world’… Survey Said?!”

*ding ding ding*

“Number one answer.”

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:10:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:10:48pm

After a bad first meeting with Cohen, @Novartis kept paying him so as not to “anger” Trump.

jeebus

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 12:11:33pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: “I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program,” Pres. Trump tells @jonkarl. “If they do, there will be very severe consequence.” abcnews.go.com pic.twitter.com

— ABC News

I thought Iran was cheating on the agreement, i.e. already building their nuclear program? So how could they now “start” it?

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 12:12:04pm

re: #22 danarchy

Unless they can prove that money made it into the hands of administration officials it isn’t actually pay to play. As unsavory as it is people trade on their contacts all the time. You think Deval Patrick was made a managing director at Bain capital because of his investing prowess?

Maybe they could get him for not registering as a lobbyist?

See my #6. I think they will get him for a lot more than that. Meuller probably has a shit ton more than what we are seeing now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:12:19pm

re: #37 Sir John Barron

I thought Iran was cheating on the agreement, i.e. already building their nuclear program? So how could they now “start” it?

shut up…

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:13:06pm

re: #38 Bubblehead II

See my #6. I think they will get him for a lot more than that. Meuller probably has a shit ton more than what we are seeing now.

I wish they would hurry up and do something before this fucker starts WW3.

Remember how Germany fared after WW2? Welcome to America 2018.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2018 • 12:13:26pm

re: #34 Jack Burton

Victory for the world? What the fuck does that even mean? Is that like one of his Family Feud -esque answers like John Mulaney was talking about.

“OK President Clownstick… ‘Victory for the world’… Survey Said?!”

*ding ding ding*

“Number one answer.”

He mis-spoke. He means “Victory For Me”.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  May 9, 2018 • 12:13:41pm

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

shut up…

“Shut up, he explained….”

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 12:14:02pm

re: #21 Mattand

Got caught up on the Cohen (SEZ WHO) news this morning in my daily round up.

All I can think of is that 30 to 40 percent of this country, when presented with this news, will just simply ignore at as all lies.

I’m too young to remember Watergate*, but were conservatives behaving like this as the evidence against Nixon mounted?

*I am old enough to remember getting yelled at by my folks for making too much noise during the Frost/Nixon interviews.

No. There were those that said it wasn’t a big thing and wanted to protect Nixon, but there wasn’t a whole party bound and determined to hold on to the president at all costs.

Trump is by far dirtier than Nixon and that is becoming very clear.

And I am thinking the whole Republican party is also caught up in this. The Russian money must go a lot deeper than we know. There is also the connection of the Russians to the NRA then to Republican politicians.

This is getting bigger by the day. The problem is our country is obviously way more corrupted than in the 70s. Nixon didn’t have the rabid support from the likes of the wingnuts.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:15:27pm

re: #30 Jay C

From last thread:

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OK, so what does this even mean? “President” Trump announces the US will be leaving the JCPOA Iran deal, presumably refusing to honor its terms; he announces (and implements) a stringent economic sanctions regime for US business, threatens foreign businesses (and by implication, governments) with retaliation for failure to comply with said sanctions - and this doesn’t qualify as a “violation”???!!! WTF is he thinking (if one can even use that word in the context of Donald Trump)??

Here’s the worst case scenario:

Trump tries to unilaterally reimpose sanctions on Iran and any company/government trying to do business with Iran. This leads to sanctions against several European businesses, as well as possibly Japanese and South Korean businesses (not to mention the other category of nations that are China and Russia). This leads to those countries retaliating against US sanctions. That leads to a trade war where it’s literally US against the world. It means the US dollar stops being the de facto reserve currency around the world. That leads to the isolation of the US, the tanking of the American economy, and an economic depression that is localized in the US, as the US economy tumbles down the list of largest economies in the world.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 12:15:39pm

re: #30 Jay C

From last thread:

OK, so what does this even mean? “President” Trump announces the US will be leaving the JCPOA Iran deal, presumably refusing to honor its terms; he announces (and implements) a stringent economic sanctions regime for US business, threatens foreign businesses (and by implication, governments) with retaliation for failure to comply with said sanctions - and this doesn’t qualify as a “violation”???!!! WTF is he thinking (if one can even use that word in the context of Donald Trump)??

He, like most people today, don’t understand how we are bound to the UN, specifically because we ratified the UN treaty. They don’t realize that it’s precisely due to the Constitution that he have to follow agreements that come from it.

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Mattand  May 9, 2018 • 12:15:46pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, how would expect a Republican like Manchin to vote…

Oh, wait…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:16:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:17:40pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 12:17:58pm

re: #31 Sir John Barron

Donny doesn’t even know who this Michael Cohen is, some coffee boy perhaps.

/

Well, he said Cohen was a businessman and he didn’t know much about his business. So, he is up a few rungs from coffee boy.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:18:15pm

re: #42 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

“Shut up, he explained….”

Archer shut up

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:18:42pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

NEW: “I would advise Iran not to start their nuclear program,” Pres. Trump tells jonkarl. “If they do, there will be very severe consequence.”

so we withdraw from a deal that was created to keep them from developing nuclear weapons and now you are threatening them if they do so?

I am growing more convinced that he feels he needs a war (with this “world victory” quote) to distract from his growing problems

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2018 • 12:19:09pm

Trump org employee as well, correct? This is rarely mentioned.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:20:19pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really wish someone would have asked the question about whether she believed the defense of “just following orders” was valid when CIA operatives were following guidelines that were facially illegal on torture.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 12:20:34pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus

Buncha dumbasses running that company. I bet changes are coming in management and the board. They really look bad in this.

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 12:22:20pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jeebus

But it has nothing to do with Trump.

Convenient that Trump also had dinner with the incoming CEO of Novartis in Davos. Maybe Trump has dinner with the guy regardless, but….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:24:37pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:25:23pm

re: #55 Mike Lamb

But it has nothing to do with Trump.

Convenient that Trump also had dinner with the incoming CEO of Novartis in Davos. Maybe Trump has dinner with the guy regardless, but….

As we’ve discussed with obstruction of justice, there are things that while otherwise legal, done in certain contexts become illegal. It’s perfectly legal and within the powers of the president to fire the FBI director, it is not legal or within his powers to do so in order to shut down an investigation into him/his campaign/his family/his business dealings. That dinner might have been perfectly legal, but it now falls under the cloud of potential bribery/corruption and needs to be investigated.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 12:25:29pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:26:12pm

re: #26 MsJ

Shoot me now. This f’in guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:26:40pm

but does he have any identifiable features?

yikes!

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 12:28:19pm

re: #40 MsJ

I wish they would hurry up and do something before this fucker starts WW3.

Remember how Germany fared after WW2? Welcome to America 2018.

You mean WW1? Because we helped rebuild W Germany after the war. E Germany though got screwed over by the USSR.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:28:31pm

MAGA =

Michael
Avenatti
Greatest
Asskicker

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sauceruney  May 9, 2018 • 12:29:32pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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but does he have any identifiable features?

yikes!

He looks like a bad guy from an anime like Bleach or the Monogatari series.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 12:29:35pm

re: #45 Belafon

He, like most people today, don’t understand how we are bound to the UN, specifically because we ratified the UN treaty. They don’t realize that it’s precisely due to the Constitution that he have to follow agreements that come from it.

Yeah, well, I wouldn’t imagine Trump (still less his enablers in Congress, and even less the yahoo/Deplorable “base”) to put much stock in anything to UN says or does. Unless, of course, it’s unquestioned and loudly-applauded approbation of some policy the US (i.e. Republicans) proposes. After all, Trump’s Party is one which has - for decades - derided the United Nations as an “anti-American debating society”, a “Third-World dictator’s club” and a mortal/existential threat to our “sovereignty”, and made it quite clear that it is an organization we will ignore and disparage unless it defers to us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:31:43pm

re: #63 sauceruney

He looks like a bad guy from an anime like Bleach or the Monogatari series.

or Beetlejuice gone really bad.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:32:07pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

You mean WW1? Because we helped rebuild W Germany after the war. E Germany though got screwed over by the USSR.

I meant how they were viewed.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 12:34:25pm

re: #64 Jay C

Yeah, well, I wouldn’t imagine Trump (still less his enablers in Congress, and even less the yahoo/Deplorable “base”) to put much stock in anything to UN says or does. Unless, of course, it’s unquestioned and loudly-applauded approbation of some policy the US (i.e. Republicans) proposes. After all, Trump’s Party is one which has - for decades - derided the United Nations as an “anti-American debating society”, a “Third-World dictator’s club” and a mortal/existential threat to our “sovereignty”, and made it quite clear that it is an organization we will ignore and disparage unless it defers to us.

This time around, Donny’s decided to put all that “if we pay money in, we expect obedience” bullshit that wingnuts have pushed for years into practice. Examples such as “taking names” and highlighting the percentage of votes that don’t go “our way” as excuses for why the US should pull its funding and support from UN missions. But we (of course) totally expect to keep our veto and expect total compliance with any resolutions that we support.

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b.d.  May 9, 2018 • 12:34:28pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:34:48pm

re: #43 ObserverArt

No. There were those that said it wasn’t a big thing and wanted to protect Nixon, but there wasn’t a whole party bound and determined to hold on to the president at all costs.

Trump is by far dirtier than Nixon and that is becoming very clear.

And I am thinking the whole Republican party is also caught up in this. The Russian money must go a lot deeper than we know. There is also the connection of the Russians to the NRA then to Republican politicians.

This is getting bigger by the day. The problem is our country is obviously way more corrupted than in the 70s. Nixon didn’t have the rabid support from the likes of the wingnuts.

Art, I’ve said all along that Putin has Kompromat on Republicans and that’s why they’re acting just like neutered and spayed puppies.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:35:35pm

re: #66 MsJ

I meant how they were viewed.

Trump vs. The World: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

(start at about the 10:45 mark for how they’re still viewed)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:36:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:37:19pm

Chess pal from Germany e-mailed me and asked, “Could you folks please send us Sarah Palin instead of the current clown who made a total fool of himself on his first day?”

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Bubblehead II  May 9, 2018 • 12:38:56pm

re: #66 MsJ

I meant how they were viewed.

Ahh.Well we’re pretty much there. If he makes it the rest of his term, we may be considered in a even worse light.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 12:39:05pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:39:26pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So not smiling and waving merits a cop call and being treated like a criminal? Got it.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:40:40pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bill, have you met the host of the O’Reilly factor ever? Looks just like you and repeatedly did the same thing to people.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:02pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

And, if they’d waved, the cops would have been called because they were obviously hiding something.

The neighbor should not assume that blacks are robbers.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:17pm

Besides Cohen isn’t in jail. We investigate criminal allegations dumbass.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:19pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is America in May 2018. A place where all allegations against powerful people instantly become truth.

Um, yeah, I’m 40 and in my life time: more often than not when allegations surface against powerful people, they turn out to be true about 96.8% of the time. And pretty much 100% of the time there’s at least some there there.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:20pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I read somewhere last night that one of the AirBNB renters is Bob Marley’s granddaughter. They might have pissed a whole island off if true.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 12:41:23pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Bill Clinton the Rapist”

“Hillary Clinton gave secrets to our enemies.”

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:42:03pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

So not smiling and waving merits a cop call and being treated like a criminal? Got it.

Only if you’re young and darker than printer paper.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 9, 2018 • 12:43:25pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 12:44:04pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Some of these aren’t allegations. We know the payments from Novartis and ATT to Cohen occurred. We also know the payment to Daniels occurred. And, frankly, given what we know, the odds that Daniels’ story of having sex with Trump and being paid to be quiet being false in any material way are vanishingly small.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 12:44:18pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shorter statement: “Be white.” That’s what it really comes down to in the end, assure the jittery white folk that you’re “one of them” by smiling, waving, wearing a sign saying “I’m a tourist,” moving in a “non-threatening” manner, keeping them appraised of everything you do, etc, etc.

The idea that you can go about your business and not get manhandled by the cops because of a hysterical white woman is just ludicrous in this country now.

////////

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:44:19pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:45:31pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:47:28pm

Allegations are to be ignored if it involves people we like but we can say vindicated and absolved people were guilty on FNC because we don’t like them! See Clinton, Hillary!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:49:53pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bob Marley’s granddaughter will sue California police after they mistook her for an Airbnb burglar.

they did not just “mistake her for a burglar”, they sent in a fucking police helicopter.

On the one hand, I can understand a neighbor’s concern at the sight of strange people taking things out of a house…but I cannot begin to understand why the police saw no need to simply investigate and establish what was happening before breaking out the tactical gear.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:50:52pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Wouldn’t her neighbor know by now that the neighbor RNBs her place out by now?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 12:51:09pm

re: #88 JordanRules

I smell another job for Jared Kushner!

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:51:20pm

re: #81 JordanRules

I read somewhere last night that one of the AirBNB renters is Bob Marley’s granddaughter. They might have pissed a whole island off if true.

D’oh! Missed it in the first tweet.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:51:22pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

To be honest, they’re lucky they weren’t shot.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:51:45pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t her neighbor know by now that the neighbor RNBs her place out by now?

I’ve always been skeptical of AirBNB type arrangements. This is another reason that I’m going to add to the list.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 12:51:55pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t her neighbor know by now that the neighbor RNBs her place out by now?

You would think, but it’s sadly easy to give human beings too much credit these days.

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meteor  May 9, 2018 • 12:52:16pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:52:45pm

re: #95 KGxvi

I’ve always been skeptical of AirBNB type arrangements. This is another reason that I’m going to add to the list.

I prefer hostels if I want to stay cheap but yeah I hear ya. I’ve done it once before.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:52:52pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t her neighbor know by now that the neighbor RNBs her place out by now?

think about it: if the neighbor had known, there would have been even less reason for her to call the police…

needless to say, my girlfriend always told her neighbors that she was renting her place out when she was away

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:53:37pm

re: #95 KGxvi

I’ve always been skeptical of AirBNB type arrangements. This is another reason that I’m going to add to the list.

Me too. I can’t see any reason is ever use them. It’s begging for problems that are not easily resolved especially after traveling somewhere. Give me a hotel and points.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:54:00pm

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

think about it: if she had, there would have been even less reason to call the police…

needless to say, my girlfriend always told her neighbors that she was renting her place out when she was away

Which is why her blaming the renters for not waving is stupid. I don’t wave at people I don’t know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:54:29pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I prefer hostels if I want to stay cheap but yeah I hear ya. I’ve done it once before.

my girlfriend gave it up after her guests illegally downloaded a film and she got a nasty letter from a lawyer threatening to sue her

and after some guests wrecked her tabletop and counter by setting hot pots on them

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 12:55:02pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 12:55:06pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I prefer hostels if I want to stay cheap but yeah I hear ya. I’ve done it once before.

In the mountain town ski areas and by the beaches out here, they have short term rentals, and I’ve used them, but they’re always through a rental agency. The houses usually have a property management sign on them, and I’m comfortable in that scenario. But AirBNB, and the whole gig economy generally, is not something I’m a fan of.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:55:39pm

re: #100 MsJ

Me too. I can’t see any reason is ever use them. It’s begging for problems that are not easily resolved especially after traveling somewhere. Give me a hotel and points.

Well they’re popular with younger people who can’t afford a hotel maybe. I’ve never been domestically in a city where I had to stay too long as an adult. I understand Air BNBs appeal.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:56:13pm

re: #104 KGxvi

In the mountain town ski areas and by the beaches out here, they have short term rentals, and I’ve used them, but they’re always through a rental agency. The houses usually have a property management sign on them, and I’m comfortable in that scenario. But AirBNB, and the whole gig economy generally, is not something I’m a fan of.

It definitely requires its unique regulations.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2018 • 12:56:32pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I prefer hostels if I want to stay cheap but yeah I hear ya. I’ve done it once before.

There’s a growing backlash by renters here in Los Angeles against Air B’nB because landlords are converting more and more apartments into timeshares and evicting renters.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:02pm

re: #102 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my girlfriend gave it up after her guests illegally downloaded a film and she got a nasty letter from a lawyer threatening to sue her

and after some guests wrecked her tabletop and counter by setting hot pots on them

Yeah I don’t blame her. I’d never rent my property out to strangers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:07pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon 🌹

There’s a growing backlash by renters here in Los Angeles against Air B’nB because landlords are converting more and more apartments into timeshares and evicting renters.

that should be expressly forbidden by zoning laws

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:25pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon 🌹

There’s a growing backlash by renters here in Los Angeles against Air B’nB because landlords are converting more and more apartments into timeshares and evicting renters.

Agh that’s fucked up.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:38pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that should be expressly forbidden by zoning laws

Definitely.

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EPR-radar  May 9, 2018 • 12:57:51pm

re: #69 Joe Bacon 🌹

Art, I’ve said all along that Putin has Kompromat on Republicans and that’s why they’re acting just like neutered and spayed puppies.

Maybe some of the GOP congressional leaders are compromised by Russia, but most Republicans require no external inducement to act like spineless jellyfish that miraculously still manage to embody an undying dedication to pure evil.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 12:58:39pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Well they’re popular with younger people who can’t afford a hotel maybe. I’ve never been domestically in a city where I had to stay too long as an adult. I understand Air BNBs appeal.

How cheap is it? I’ve seen motels for $40. It’s just too much risk for me.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 12:58:45pm

This “host” could have been smart and kept quiet or even taken the middle lane by saying the police response was over the line. But no, she decided to make her property toxic to future renters by saying anybody who stays there must be sure to make sure her neighbors don’t get jittery and call the police.

Fuck that.

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 12:58:58pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Which is why her blaming the renters for not waving is stupid. I don’t wave at people I don’t know.

“I shot at them because they gestured at me.”

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 1:00:14pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

This “host” could have been smart and kept quiet or even taken the middle lane by saying the police response was over the line. But no, she decided to make her property toxic to future renters by saying anybody who stays there must be sure to make sure her neighbors don’t get jittery and call the police.

Fuck that.

She should be disallowed from renting in the future.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:00:21pm

re: #113 MsJ

How cheap is it? I’ve seen motels for $40. It’s just too much risk for me.

re: #113 MsJ

How cheap is it? I’ve seen motels for $40. It’s just too much risk for me.

Around 75-100 iirc but if you pool with friends, easy to save up. Uber has a similar appeal.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:03:30pm
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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:04:10pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

Well they’re popular with younger people who can’t afford a hotel maybe. I’ve never been domestically in a city where I had to stay too long as an adult. I understand Air BNBs appeal.

I thought the biggest appeal was that you get a home feel on your vacation, away from all the other hotel renters. I can see it being cheaper if you can share the rent.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 1:04:32pm

re: #117 HappyWarrior

Around 75-100 iirc but if you pool with friends, easy to save up. Uber has a similar appeal.

I get it if it’s an apartment for that money. But you can put 4-6 people in a hotel room. And not have to clean up after yourself.

I guess I’m just old.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:04:48pm

re: #119 Belafon

I thought the biggest appeal was that you get a home feel on your vacation, away from all the other hotel renters. I can see it being cheaper if you can share the rent.

That too.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:05:45pm

re: #120 MsJ

I get it if it’s an apartment for that money. But you can put 4-6 people in a hotel room. And not have to clean up after yourself.

I guess I’m just old.

TBH I find hotels uncomfortable. I actually prefer hostels. I think it’s just a generation thing.

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 1:05:50pm

re: #104 KGxvi

In the mountain town ski areas and by the beaches out here, they have short term rentals, and I’ve used them, but they’re always through a rental agency. The houses usually have a property management sign on them, and I’m comfortable in that scenario. But AirBNB, and the whole gig economy generally, is not something I’m a fan of.

Not a fan of the gig economy either, especially AirBnB, but I don’t mind Lyft (over Uber, they seem to be somewhat less evil), but that’s mostly because I hate Taxis with a burning passion of a thousand suns.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 9, 2018 • 1:06:08pm

re: #119 Belafon

I thought the biggest appeal was that you get a home feel on your vacation, away from all the other hotel renters. I can see it being cheaper if you can share the rent.

As a renter it doesn’t seem too bad, but being an ABNB host means strangers having sex all over your home.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:06:36pm

I’ve started tipping when I Uber.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2018 • 1:07:03pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:07:19pm

re: #124 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

As a renter it doesn’t seem too bad, but being an ABNB host means strangers having sex all over your home.

I’m mildly paranoid. I’d be worried about my shit being messed with.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:07:23pm

re: #120 MsJ

I get it if it’s an apartment for that money. But you can put 4-6 people in a hotel room. And not have to clean up after yourself.

I guess I’m just old.

In one hotel room? I’m too old for that. LOL
You can get a whole ass house with more room for less and cook your own meals and do extended stays for business cheaper. And be in the non-hotel areas.
Needs lots more regulation tho for sure.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 1:09:27pm

re: #128 JordanRules

In one hotel room? I’m too old for that. LOL
You can get a whole ass house with more room for less and cook your own meals and do extended stays for business cheaper. And be in the non-hotel areas.
Needs lots more regulation tho for sure.

Yeah you get the spirit heh. When my friends and I did it in Philly, it was cheaper and closer to the non hotel areas. Plus we had a couple among us and we wanted to give them their space.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 1:09:31pm

re: #123 Jack Burton

Not a fan of the gig economy either, especially AirBnB, but I don’t mind Lyft (over Uber, they seem to be somewhat less evil), but that’s mostly because I hate Taxis with a burning passion of a thousand suns.

I won’t use Uber no matter what. Just because they suck as a company. Lyft was pretty painless. I’d use them again easily. They aren’t as prevalent, though.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:10:08pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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Honestly, the question that needs to be asked today is “Why are you assholes so up in arms about potentially losing your press credentials if you don’t DO anything with them?!”

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2018 • 1:10:45pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

[It’s a weird, disturbing, dysfunctional relationship.]

Dysfunction is better than no function.

/it’s worse

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2018 • 1:11:16pm
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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 1:11:36pm

re: #124 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

As a renter it doesn’t seem too bad, but being an ABNB host means strangers having sex all over your home.

There was a Monk episode where he was in a hotel room in Vegas and he wiped out a blacklight to show the…remnants of human activity all over the place, including the ceiling. I was dying!

But I never sat buck naked in a hotel quilt again.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:12:37pm

re: #130 MsJ

I won’t use Uber no matter what. Just because they suck as a company. Lyft was pretty painless. I’d use them again easily. They aren’t as prevalent, though.

I find plenty of cars that are both Lyft and Uber.

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sagehen  May 9, 2018 • 1:12:41pm

re: #107 Joe Bacon 🌹

There’s a growing backlash by renters here in Los Angeles against Air B’nB because landlords are converting more and more apartments into timeshares and evicting renters.

In New York there’s whole BUILDINGS that are nothing but airbnb… the city atty is pretty pissed off, calling them illegal unlicensed hotels.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 1:13:37pm

re: #135 Belafon

I find plenty of cars that are both Lyft and Uber.

I know. I just won’t give Uber one cent of my income.

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Teukka  May 9, 2018 • 1:13:53pm

re: #134 MsJ

There was a Monk episode where he was in a hotel room in Vegas and he wiped out a blacklight to show the…remnants of human activity all over the place, including the ceiling. I was dying!

But I never sat buck naked in a hotel quilt again.

I have a blacklight flashlight myself. UV has its forensic uses, as well as putting the fear of G-d into people after they say they’ve cleaned things up :P

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 1:15:36pm

re: #85 Mike Lamb

Some of these aren’t allegations. We know the payments from Novartis and ATT to Cohen occurred. We also know the payment to Daniels occurred. And, frankly, given what we know, the odds that Daniels’ story of having sex with Trump and being paid to be quiet being false in any material way are vanishingly small.

Nicole Wallace just said the Steele Dossier is still alive and kicking and not one detail in it has been proven wrong yet.

And we don’t even know if the pee tapes are real or not.

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 1:15:56pm

re: #136 sagehen

In New York there’s whole BUILDINGS that are nothing but airbnb… the city atty is pretty pissed off, calling them illegal unlicensed hotels.

This shit right here is why I’m against AirBNB.

Although I haven’t researched it yet, so this is anecdotal evidence, but it seems they don’t do any kind of inspection on the houses or background check on the hosts. I hear significantly more horror stories about AirBNB than I do good things.

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sagehen  May 9, 2018 • 1:17:33pm

re: #140 Jack Burton

This shit right here is why I’m against AirBNB.

Although I haven’t researched it yet, so this is anecdotal evidence, but it seems they don’t do any kind of inspection on the houses or background check on the hosts. I hear significantly more horror stories about AirBNB than I do good things.

There’s also a per-night, per-room, hotel tax. As in any city that’s a popular tourist destination. The city’s getting ripped off pretty bad.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:19:16pm

I adore nice hotels. If I was super rich I might make one of my residences in a fancy hotel penthouse but there are a lot of situations where other options make more sense to me.
There’s nothing like renting a house close to the water with a bunch a friends where you have great outdoor accommodations and can grill fresh caught seafood. You could do it before AirBNB and now you can do it with and your options increased a lot. You can get a shack or a mansion, they have a wide array of price points all over the world.

But regulation. We need it desperately for much of the gig economy and social media.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:20:41pm
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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 1:20:45pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:21:37pm
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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:22:25pm

re: #144 jaunte

It’s the 1980’s in the White House and you can’t convince them otherwise.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:22:47pm
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BlueSpotinAL  May 9, 2018 • 1:24:42pm

All Iran has to do to get Trump to reinstate the Iran agreement is to “hire” Essential Consulting.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:26:02pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 1:26:16pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
So infuriating to watch these pointless “press conferences” with Sarah Sanders. Why does the media just sit there and keep asking even-handed questions as if this is all normal, while Sanders blatantly lies and obfuscates? It’s a weird, disturbing, dysfunctional relationship.

4:05 PM - May 9, 2018

Going through the motions. They have this whole tradition set and Trump is running over it all and they are too stupid to put a stop to it.

If Trump has done one thing, he has shown he has a feel for all the holes in our systems and he is using them to get away with all this stuff.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:26:17pm

re: #147 JordanRules

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And Russia’s budget woes begin to melt away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:28:34pm
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whitebeach  May 9, 2018 • 1:29:11pm

re: #145 JordanRules

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True. But it actually reads better in the original Choctaw.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:29:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:31:43pm
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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:31:57pm

re: #154 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So either it started and ended as bribery or started as bribery and ended as hush money. Which do they think looks less illegal?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:32:34pm

re: #153 whitebeach

True. But it actually reads better in the original Choctaw.

Absolutely!!

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:33:05pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

Polite people don’t talk about reparations.

//////

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:36:00pm
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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:36:58pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why. Are. You. Complaining?

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 1:37:16pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

So either it started and ended as bribery or started as bribery and ended as hush money. Which do they think looks less illegal?

Bribery is completely legal. See McDonnell v. United States.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:38:21pm

re: #160 Belafon

Why. Are. You. Complaining?

Same reason anybody in a particular profession who has no connection to a disaster will still sit there and criticize those who are.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 1:38:36pm
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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 1:39:29pm

re: #161 Skip Intro

Bribery is completely legal. See McDonnell v. United States.

“McDonnell 7, United States 0. See it can be done!”

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 1:41:34pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Same reason anybody in a particular profession who has no connection to a disaster will still sit there and criticize those who are.

I’m thinking if Guiliani wants to talk, I’m going to give him all the camera time in the world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:43:02pm

“meant to do that!”

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whitebeach  May 9, 2018 • 1:43:30pm

re: #165 Belafon

I’m thinking if Guiliani wants to talk, I’m going to give him all the camera time in the world.

Sure, why not? Everybody else is.

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 1:44:29pm

re: #120 MsJ

I get it if it’s an apartment for that money. But you can put 4-6 people in a hotel room. And not have to clean up after yourself.

I guess I’m just old.

It’s because I’m older that I don’t want to have 4-6 people in a hotel room. That was for Spring Break in college. With a family, AirBnb’s are much more comfortable and cheaper.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 1:46:32pm
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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2018 • 1:46:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:48:54pm
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Mattand  May 9, 2018 • 1:51:16pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Speaking of giant monsters: anyone with a PS4 owes it to themselves to play the new God of War, even if they just rent it from Redbox for the night.

I’m an admitted fanboy of the series, but Good Lord, this is easily one of the greatest video games of all time.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 1:51:32pm

re: #169 gocart mozart

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And Donny has only himself to blame for wanting to fight this out in the court of public opinion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 1:51:47pm

heh

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 1:51:56pm

re: #140 Jack Burton

This shit right here is why I’m against AirBNB.

Although I haven’t researched it yet, so this is anecdotal evidence, but it seems they don’t do any kind of inspection on the houses or background check on the hosts. I hear significantly more horror stories about AirBNB than I do good things.

If you stick to “super-hosts”, host with good ratings/large number of reviews, and/or locations rated highly by families, you should be fine.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 1:53:32pm

Watching Nicole Wallace and it is obvious Donny Deutsch is a close friends and a bit of an excuse maker for Michael Cohen. He kept trying to downplay Cohen’s activities and stress that Cohen was only doing it all for Trump.

Not how it works Donnie. That crap doesn’t sell in a court.

Also, Deutsch seems to have issues with Avenatti. He asked why a lawyer on a a simple sex case and pay-off to Stormy is getting all tangled up in Trump/Russia collusion. He said he is acting more like g-man than a lawyer.

Donny seems to be butt hurt over some of this. Shut up Donny…you are just an advertising hack. You’re lucky you get these gigs on TV because you know Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 1:56:24pm

re: #95 KGxvi

I’ve always been skeptical of AirBNB type arrangements. This is another reason that I’m going to add to the list.

I’ve stayed in an airbnb in Miami and in Montreal. No problems at all. Cheap accommodations at much more affordable prices than local hotels. I’ve heard about Black people having problems booking accommodations but so far I haven’t encountered any. Knock on wood, I guess.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 1:56:25pm

vice.com

And, apparently, he needs the money. Like—really needs it. According to a Facebook post from the co-owner of a bar in Spencer’s hometown of Whitefish, Montana, the guy who popularized the euphemistic term “alt-right” couldn’t even afford a $4.25 bourbon over the weekend.

Facebook Post

I’m tickled!
Great price on Bulleit!

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 1:58:09pm
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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 1:58:26pm

re: #163 gocart mozart

with a heart of gold

Not so fast.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 1:58:58pm

what’s the big deal here?

cohen is deputy finance chairman of the RNC
and trump’s personal attorney

i don’t see it

i could copy —-> “/” <——- this 16245 time (the LGF limit) and it still wouldn’t be enough

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2018 • 1:59:49pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 2:00:35pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Hostels sound scary after all those torture porn movies, tbh.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 2:01:08pm

re: #178 JordanRules

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I’m tickled!
Great price on Bulleit!

It warms my cold, black heart to see this fuckstick reduced to financial ruin. Sometimes you don’t need a magic gauntlet to bring balance to all things.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:01:32pm

I see somehow Monica Lewinski has been forced into the headlines again, at the top of my Facebook news feed.

Purely a coincidence, I’m sure.

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 2:04:13pm

re: #178 JordanRules

I’m tickled!
Great price on Bulleit!

My S.O. and I are boycotting Bulleit.

Because of this infuriating turn of events.

That is probably viewed as a positive thing to an asshole like Spencer though.

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 2:04:15pm

re: #178 JordanRules

Dang. He’s poorer than I am. Who knew that White Supremacist wasn’t a well paid position?

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 2:05:09pm

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

Dang. He’s poorer than I am. Who knew that White Supremacist wasn’t a well paid position?

He’s apparently even worse at the wingnut welfare grift than Rage Furby.

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whitebeach  May 9, 2018 • 2:07:33pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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In Celtic mythology, Balor was king of the Fomorians, a race of demonic giants. Balor had one large eye in the middle of his forehead that would wreak destruction when opened. When his eye was closed, it required four strong men to lift his very heavy eyelids with forks

Given that opening the eye leads to destruction, where would you find four strong men stupid enough to do this job? Oh wait. Any Republican convention. In fact, this whole story is kinda 2016-ish, isn’t it?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:09:33pm

re: #186 Jack Burton

My S.O. and I are boycotting Bulleit.

Because of this infuriating turn of events.

That is probably viewed as a positive thing to an asshole like Spencer though.

That’s terrible. Welp, I can certainly do without it. I hope Hollis prospers!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:10:11pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 2:11:42pm

Ohio GovernorJohny Kasich just signed an executive order allowing testing of ‘smart’ vehicles in Ohio. All Ohio roads are now open to the testing.

Not sure what I think about this.

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stpaulbear  May 9, 2018 • 2:12:40pm

re: #168 Mike Lamb

It’s because I’m older that I don’t want to have 4-6 people in a hotel room. That was for Spring Break in college. With a family, AirBnb’s are much more comfortable and cheaper.

I played in a band in my misspent youth and we’d always have to share five to one motel room for how ever many days the club gig lasted. One summer we just decided to start using KOA RV campgrounds because almost every town we played in had one nearby. We each already owned small tents, so it was the easiest way to get some privacy. We weren’t really that into late night partying so it was cheap and kind of fun.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2018 • 2:12:43pm

re: #186 Jack Burton

My S.O. and I are boycotting Bulleit.

Because of this infuriating turn of events.

That is probably viewed as a positive thing to an asshole like Spencer though.

Well that sucks ass. That’s the finest mass market rye in the US. Exquisite for Manhattans. Foo. Oh, well, no more Bulleit for me either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:13:11pm
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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 2:15:50pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“We won’t turn over this classified information to you because we worry for the safety of a confidential source, BUT we’ll gladly give you a briefing upon it with a pinky-promise swear that you won’t go to the press or your buddy in the White House.”

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 2:16:34pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

It all seems like theatre to me.

A way to get Nunes to spill out some more selected information but not tell the whole truth.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:16:47pm

re: #187 Patricia Kayden

Dang. He’s poorer than I am. Who knew that White Supremacist wasn’t a well paid position?

Ha! He’s poorer than I am too and that is hard to accomplish.

His family will come thru with funds for him I’m sure but I do love that polite society is rejecting him. He’s not very supreme.

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BigPapa  May 9, 2018 • 2:16:50pm

Gurl!

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BeachDem  May 9, 2018 • 2:18:37pm

re: #176 ObserverArt

Watching Nicole Wallace and it is obvious Donny Deutsch is a close friends and a bit of an excuse maker for Michael Cohen. He kept trying to downplay Cohen’s activities and stress that Cohen was only doing it all for Trump.

Not how it works Donnie. That crap doesn’t sell in a court.

Also, Deutsch seems to have issues with Avenatti. He asked why a lawyer on a a simple sex case and pay-off to Stormy is getting all tangled up in Trump/Russia collusion. He said he is acting more like g-man than a lawyer.

Donny seems to be butt hurt over some of this. Shut up Donny…you are just an advertising hack. You’re lucky you get these gigs on TV because you know Trump.

Yep—to your last paragraph—if not for the Apprentice, anyone outside of the advertising world would have been spared from ever hearing of Donny Deutsch. And wouldn’t that have been a good thing?

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:22:13pm

re: #146 Belafon

It’s the 1980’s in the White House and you can’t convince them otherwise.

Nah, in the 80’s we would confront the Russians. It’s more like 1993 in the White House - the Soviets have fallen and AOL isn’t a thing yet because WIndows 95 hasn’t launched.

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 2:23:09pm

re: #147 JordanRules

Gas prices are close to $3 in Southern Maryland and I can see that they’re probably going to rise much higher now that Trump has pulled out of the Iran deal. What a great gift to Russian oil oligarchs.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:23:24pm

re: #200 BeachDem

Yep—to your last paragraph—if not for the Apprentice, anyone outside of the advertising world would have been spared from ever hearing of Donny Deutsch. And wouldn’t that have been a good thing?

Didn’t he get invited on cause he was already a thing? He had that MSNBC show I think. Not saying he was huge but he was known I thought. I knew him.

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Sea Mexican!  May 9, 2018 • 2:23:36pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a genius! This way, the FBI can’t raid his office!!! /s

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:24:42pm

re: #25 ObserverArt

What do you want to bet nothing will ever be done legally because they all knew it was just for Trump favor and nothing more. Everyone is just nervously toe-tapping right now because they know they have been caught.

the question is going to be the disbursements out of EC, LLC - ie what was expected and what did cohen actually do with the money?

was cohen going to keep the money himself? or somehow transfer, er, hide, er, launder it in some way to trumps empire somehow? and did he in fact? did he disburse funds on behalf of trump, etc?

for example, if the daniels 130k payment actually came out of this money and not a home equity line of credit cohen deposited to the LLC, that’s a link to trump (fec issues aside).

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 2:25:58pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

Perfect. Nunes can then race his behind over to the White House to spill the beans to Trump and his aides. Or just leak the info to the Conservative press like he did with the Comey memos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:26:08pm
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BeachDem  May 9, 2018 • 2:27:29pm

re: #199 BigPapa

Gurl!

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Sounds like the Lorna storyline on Orange is the New Black.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:27:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2018 • 2:27:44pm

Man the next Novartis earnings report conference call is going to be lit.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:28:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:29:15pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:30:05pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Man the next Novartis earnings report conference call is going to be lit.

I told my friend who works for ATT, well at least Ma Bell isnt out here looking as bad as Novartis.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:30:13pm

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

The flat earthers are going to use this as proof that it’s all magnets n shit.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:31:37pm

re: #174 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

We go now to the White House for comment:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:33:14pm
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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:33:57pm

re: #21 Mattand

Got caught up on the Cohen (SEZ WHO) news this morning in my daily round up.

All I can think of is that 30 to 40 percent of this country, when presented with this news, will just simply ignore at as all lies.

I’m too young to remember Watergate*, but were conservatives behaving like this as the evidence against Nixon mounted?

*I am old enough to remember getting yelled at by my folks for making too much noise during the Frost/Nixon interviews.

watergate was different

the break in to bug dnc headquarters didnt actually come off - they got caught.
so nothing ever materialized to be used against the dems

while some heads would have rolled if they owned up to it - they maybe could have kept nixon out of it. maybe.

the problem was they tried to cover it up - and how badly that was bungled as well.

then it came out that nixon had the oval office tape recording system going (not the first pres to do so and not illegal, but the public didnt know….) and there was likely evidence on them

meanwhile agnew was being investigated for taking bribes, extortion and tax problems too.

it became harder and harder to support these guys with a straight face.

agnew was toast by october 73
nixon was gone in august 74

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BeachDem  May 9, 2018 • 2:33:59pm

re: #203 JordanRules

Didn’t he get invited on cause he was already a thing? He had that MSNBC show I think. Not saying he was huge but he was known I thought. I knew him.

His only credits before being on the Apprentice were
Match Game Contestant 1979
60 Minutes segment on advertising 2002
Celebrity Poker Showdown 2004

imdb.com

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nines09  May 9, 2018 • 2:34:01pm

My daughter was at the Phillies game last night. Had a home run ball graze her. That’s her at the 51 second mark laughing with the Phils cap on and dark sweat with her friend.
And today she found her GPA for her senior year at college will be right about a 4.0. Damn proud.
My little girl.
But she should have caught the ball…..//

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 2:34:10pm

Mercy!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:35:06pm

re: #217 dangerman

and then there was Martha Mitchell.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:37:51pm

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so we withdraw from a deal that was created to keep them from developing nuclear weapons and now you are threatening them if they do so?

I am growing more convinced that he feels he needs a war (with this “world victory” quote) to distract from his growing problems

im still not quite convinced he did this to start a war

i think a large part is he has no idea what he did or what he’s doing
he really doesnt know how any of this works

you can bet this whole line of discussion about the UN is the first time he’s hearing it and how it relates to ‘the iran deal’ and why it might be important

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 2:39:05pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

“We won’t turn over this classified information to you because we worry for the safety of a confidential source, BUT we’ll gladly give you a briefing upon it with a pinky-promise swear that you won’t go to the press or your buddy in the White House Kremlin.”

FIFY.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:40:05pm

re: #57 KGxvi

As we’ve discussed with obstruction of justice, there are things that while otherwise legal, done in certain contexts become illegal. It’s perfectly legal and within the powers of the president to fire the FBI director, it is not legal or within his powers to do so in order to shut down an investigation into him/his campaign/his family/his business dealings. That dinner might have been perfectly legal, but it now falls under the cloud of potential bribery/corruption and needs to be investigated.

further - i in my little local rinky-dink business have to be sure to not even show the appearance of impropriety or lack of objectivity or independence

the president, not so much any more

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:40:35pm

re: #217 dangerman

watergate was different

the break in to bug dnc headquarters didnt actually come off - they got caught.
so nothing ever materialized to be used against the dems

while some heads would have rolled if they owned up to it - they maybe could have kept nixon out of it. maybe.

the problem was they tried to cover it up - and how badly that was bungled as well.

then it came out that nixon had the oval office tape recording system going (not the first pres to do so and not illegal, but the public didnt know….) and there was likely evidence on them

meanwhile agnew was being investigated for taking bribes, extortion and tax problems too.

it became harder and harder to support these guys with a straight face.

agnew was toast by october 73
nixon was gone in august 74

I’m fairly certain Watergate was when “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up” became a thing. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised if someone at the RNC took the fall and gave Nixon plausible deniability, that the whole thing would have blown over in after a couple of months.

Agnew probably still goes down because that was a whole other kettle of fish. But if Nixon doesn’t get tangled up in Watergate, how many things change? Ford as VP might win in 1976, meaning no Reagan Revolution in 1980, and a possible Ted Kennedy challenge to Ford in 1980?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:41:02pm
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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:41:06pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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but does he have any identifiable features?

yikes!

he definitely got that smokey eye thing going

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 2:42:22pm

re: #225 KGxvi

I’m fairly certain Watergate was when “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up” became a thing. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised if someone at the RNC took the fall and gave Nixon plausible deniability, that the whole thing would have blown over in after a couple of months.

Agnew probably still goes down because that was a whole other kettle of fish. But if Nixon doesn’t get tangled up in Watergate, how many things change? Ford as VP might win in 1976, meaning no Reagan Revolution in 1980, and a possible Ted Kennedy challenge to Ford in 1980?

Depends who Ford runs against in ‘76.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 2:42:54pm

re: #224 dangerman

further - i in my little local rinky-dink business have to be sure to not even show the appearance of impropriety or lack of objectivity or independence

the president, not so much any more

The rules are different when you’re rich.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 2:43:28pm

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

The rules are different when you’re rich.

there are no rules if you are rich enough.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:43:57pm

re: #222 dangerman

im still not quite convinced he did this to start a war

i think a large part is he has no idea what he did or what he’s doing
he really doesnt know how any of this works

you can bet this whole line of discussion about the UN is the first time he’s hearing it and how it relates to ‘the iran deal’ and why it might be important

A big part of this feels like “i’m undoing something obama did, suck it libtards” and “keeping a campaign promise” to appease the marks. Of course, having FDA certified warmonger John Bolton in the room means there’s a good chance he’s once again going with the last voice he hears, and it’s the mustache of war.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 2:43:59pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

there are no rules if you are rich enough.

That too.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:44:23pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

UPDATE: The owner of the Airbnb says the situation could have been avoided “if the kids had simply smiled at (my neighbor) and waved back…”

if not already obvious, the situation could have been avoided if your neighbor didnt call the cops

and you just admitted that your neighbor called the cops because they didnt “smile and wave”

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:46:31pm

re: #80 KGxvi

Um, yeah, I’m 40 and in my life time: more often than not when allegations surface against powerful people, they turn out to be true about 96.8% of the time. And pretty much 100% of the time there’s at least some there there.

right now they are working off some pretty damning tangible third party records.

if cohen et al are ‘innocent’ that’s gonna be one humdinger of an explanation

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nines09  May 9, 2018 • 2:47:16pm

re: #219 nines09

yourefiredbefore2020 (yourefiredin2020)

WTF is your problem?

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:48:01pm

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Depends who Ford runs against in ‘76.

True. I would assume that Reagan still challenges him in ‘76. Carter’s appeal, I think, was partly due to a backlash against Nixon’s moral failings, so maybe he doesn’t have the same draw?

There’s also a question of how Nixon handles the end of the Vietnam War.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:48:55pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Wouldn’t her neighbor know by now that the neighbor RNBs her place out by now?

maybe only to white people (up to then) // 1/2

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 2:49:43pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 2:51:10pm

re: #236 KGxvi

True. I would assume that Reagan still challenges him in ‘76. Carter’s appeal, I think, was partly due to a backlash against Nixon’s moral failings, so maybe he doesn’t have the same draw?

There’s also a question of how Nixon handles the end of the Vietnam War.

Yeah I think so too regarding Carter. I haven’t studied that primary and it’s also possible Ford retires too. If memory serves, he was going to retire from Congress the year he replaced Agnew. My understanding is Nixon wanted John Connally to replace him but judging by his 1980 showing and Connally being a recent Dem convert and lacking Reagan’s charismatic skills would struggle. It’s an interesting what if.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2018 • 2:52:19pm
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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:52:54pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

So infuriating to watch these pointless “press conferences” with Sarah Sanders. Why does the media just sit there and keep asking even-handed questions as if this is all normal, while Sanders blatantly lies and obfuscates? It’s a weird, disturbing, dysfunctional relationship.

..and dont you dare threaten to take away our press credentials…..

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 2:53:25pm

Sex, Russians, & Business.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:55:56pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think so too regarding Carter. I haven’t studied that primary and it’s also possible Ford retires too. If memory serves, he was going to retire from Congress the year he replaced Agnew. My understanding is Nixon wanted John Connally to replace him but judging by his 1980 showing and Connally being a recent Dem convert and lacking Reagan’s charismatic skills would struggle. It’s an interesting what if.

I haven’t read much on ‘76 either. But the wikipedia page is interesting, apparently it was the first election cycle with modern primaries in the Democratic Party and Carter was the first to recognize the value of winning primaries/caucuses to establish momentum. Still, still like the Nixon corruption played a big part in his wins any way.

Also didn’t realize Ford was reluctant to run in ‘76. In this counterfactual though, if he doesn’t run, it’s possible the Reagan/Bush battle of 1980 happens earlier with a different outcome?

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 2:55:59pm

re: #222 dangerman

im still not quite convinced he did this to start a war

i think a large part is he has no idea what he did or what he’s doing
he really doesnt know how any of this works

you can bet this whole line of discussion about the UN is the first time he’s hearing it and how it relates to ‘the iran deal’ and why it might be important

Fuckface might not have done it to start a war because he’s clueless, but you can be damn sure that Bolton would love to go to war with Iran and knows how it all works…

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:56:57pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

See my post at:

re: #50 KGxvi

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 2:57:01pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Sex, Russians, & Business.

Bitches, Snitches and Riches.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 2:57:41pm

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Bitches, Snitches and Riches.

If someone doesn’t have a book about this administration with that title, we’ve completely failed as a nation.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 2:59:41pm

re: #164 Jack Burton

“McDonnell 7, United States 0. See it can be done!”

excellent haley vs united states reference

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:00:46pm

re: #243 KGxvi

I haven’t read much on ‘76 either. But the wikipedia page is interesting, apparently it was the first election cycle with modern primaries in the Democratic Party and Carter was the first to recognize the value of winning primaries/caucuses to establish momentum. Still, still like the Nixon corruption played a big part in his wins any way.

Also didn’t realize Ford was reluctant to run in ‘76. In this counterfactual though, if he doesn’t run, it’s possible the Reagan/Bush battle of 1980 happens earlier with a different outcome?

Yeah I really think Carter benefited from being outside Washington and Watergate. Not sure who replaces Ford in that situation. We’ll probably never know since Nixon was gone before the ground work for the primaries began.

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2018 • 3:00:54pm
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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 3:01:08pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Amazing how two companies have now taken the “We paid him for services, didn’t get what we wanted, but kept paying him until the contract expired” line.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:01:38pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

Amazing how two companies have now taken the “We paid him for services, didn’t get what we wanted, but kept paying him until the contract expired” line.

But he’s draining the swamp!

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:03:26pm

re: #218 BeachDem

His only credits before being on the Apprentice were
Match Game Contestant 1979
60 Minutes segment on advertising 2002
Celebrity Poker Showdown 2004

imdb.com

His Wiki page said he had a show on NBC called The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch back in 2004 to 2008. I had no idea of such a show. I also never watched The Apprentice. I just thought he found his way to Morning Joke by being friends with Trump.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:03:39pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:04:18pm

I always wondered who RFK’s VP would be if he hadn’t been assassinated or how a Gene McCarthy nomination plays out in 1968.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:05:33pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Man the next Novartis earnings report conference call is going to be lit.

i wonder how they recorded the payments on their own books

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:05:39pm

I like studying what ifs because one change could really impact us so much.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:07:08pm

re: #253 ObserverArt

His Wiki page said he had a show on NBC called The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch back in 2004 to 2008. I had no idea of such a show. I also never watched The Apprentice. I just thought he found his way to Morning Joke by being friends with Trump.

Yeah that was it, that’s how I originally knew him. Ahh NBC not MSNBC.

The credit for that show and tons of other media appearances on IMDB is under ‘Self’ not ‘Actor’. I saw him around a lot.

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The Major  May 9, 2018 • 3:07:47pm

re: #256 dangerman

i wonder how they recorded the payments on their own books

Research and Development….

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 3:07:53pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I like studying what ifs because one change could really impact us so much.

I ALMOST bought this at a bookstore the other day.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 3:08:13pm

Two companies contracted with Cohen’s LLC for services he failed to provide, but continued to pay him non-inconsequential sums of money for months until those contracts expired. Neither ever considered suing him for breach of contract in an effort to recoup the money paid to him for something he wasn’t giving them.

This isn’t just bullshit, this is weapons-grade bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:09:38pm

re: #260 Eclectic Cyborg

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I ALMOST bought this at a bookstore the other day.

You should have. That cover alone.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:10:11pm

re: #221 Backwoods_Sleuth

and then there was Martha Mitchell.

right - sometimes i dont remember everything

and haldeman, erlichman, liddy, segretti - good times

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 3:10:14pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:10:27pm

I had this impression as a youngin too.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:11:41pm

re: #265 JordanRules

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I had this impression as a youngin too.

I did too. Shit needs to end.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:11:51pm

re: #264 jaunte

I think Jon Lovett made the joke a week or two ago on PSA that this is the part of the Trump investigation is the part of the movie Conspiracy Theory where we learn that Mel Gibson isn’t crazy because all that stuff actually happened to him.

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Citizen K  May 9, 2018 • 3:11:54pm

“Both sides same thing” wins, forever and anon…

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:12:02pm
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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:12:08pm

re: #225 KGxvi

I’m fairly certain Watergate was when “it’s not the crime, it’s the cover up” became a thing. And I wouldn’t at all be surprised if someone at the RNC took the fall and gave Nixon plausible deniability, that the whole thing would have blown over in after a couple of months.

Agnew probably still goes down because that was a whole other kettle of fish. But if Nixon doesn’t get tangled up in Watergate, how many things change? Ford as VP might win in 1976, meaning no Reagan Revolution in 1980, and a possible Ted Kennedy challenge to Ford in 1980?

i agree. absolutely.
thinking they could hide it and get away with it is what did them in
because they did it just so badly

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 3:13:53pm

re: #269 JordanRules

Louisiana I believe has one of the highest incarceration rates of African Americans in the entire country.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:14:23pm

re: #270 dangerman

i agree. absolutely.
thinking they could hide it and get away with it is what did them in
because they did it just so badly

I definitely agree with those that suggest with a FNC, Nixon survives Watergate.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:14:45pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

Why would Novartis think that not paying Cohen would “anger” Trump unless everyone tacitly understood that they were bribing Trump indirectly through Cohen?

the more this gets crowd-analyzed the worse it’s gonna get

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:15:23pm

re: #244 Mike Lamb

Fuckface might not have done it to start a war because he’s clueless, but you can be damn sure that Bolton would love to go to war with Iran and knows how it all works…

totally agree

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:15:31pm

re: #268 Citizen K

I’d love to know the rational of the 34% “no difference” group. How many of them are saying that because “Trump’s not getting removed anyway”? How many are just cynical assholes?

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:15:51pm

Damn.

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:17:08pm

re: #254 JordanRules

One thing I hope we take away from all this “consulting” stuff is that a lot of rich people get paid for being rich and knowing other rich people and not for doing anything reconizable as work launder money

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The Major  May 9, 2018 • 3:17:23pm

re: #261 Targetpractice

This isn’t just bullshit, this is weapons-grade bullshit.

Pay for play indeed….this revelation alone may cause a massive backlash…

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:18:05pm

re: #261 Targetpractice

Two companies contracted with Cohen’s LLC for services he failed to provide, but continued to pay him non-inconsequential sums of money for months until those contracts expired. Neither ever considered suing him for breach of contract in an effort to recoup the money paid to him for something he wasn’t giving them.

This isn’t just bullshit, this is weapons-grade bullshit.

like i said - crowd-thinking

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:18:10pm

re: #276 MsJ

Damn.

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You still can’t have any of her new family money Junior!!!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 3:18:34pm

re: #279 dangerman

like i said - crowd-thinking

Behold, the considerable power of distributed computing.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:18:57pm

re: #265 JordanRules

There needs to be a civilian version of “color of law” - it’s a waste of resources to call the cops on this shit.

For those who don’t know, color of law is legal term wherein a government official (usually the police) can be liable for illegal/unlawful actions they commit by relying on their position of authority.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:19:13pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Sex, Russians, & Business.

Sex, Russians & Email

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 3:20:25pm

re: #281 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Behold, the considerable power of distributed computing.

us and seti

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Mike Lamb  May 9, 2018 • 3:22:10pm

re: #276 MsJ

Damn.

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Let’s just roll with the insinuations for a second…what does this say about Donnie, Jr.?

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 3:22:19pm

re: #276 MsJ

So she developed her bad taste in men early on.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 3:22:29pm

re: #284 dangerman

us and seti

The funny thing is, as I think about the analogy, places like LGF become the “master process”, coordinating the distributed nodes to communicate results and receive updated information for their calculations.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2018 • 3:22:57pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 3:23:02pm

re: #285 Mike Lamb

Let’s just roll with the insinuations for a second…what does this say about Donnie, Jr.?

That he’s a heartless asshole?

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BeachDem  May 9, 2018 • 3:24:43pm

re: #253 ObserverArt

His Wiki page said he had a show on NBC called The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch back in 2004 to 2008. I had no idea of such a show. I also never watched The Apprentice. I just thought he found his way to Morning Joke by being friends with Trump.

I think he got that show from appearing on the Apprentice (1/04, 10/04, 2/05, 3/05) and the yam and omarosa were frequent guests on it.

Edit to add-it was on CNBC, so you’re not the only one who never heard of it.

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Targetpractice  May 9, 2018 • 3:25:30pm

re: #276 MsJ

Damn.

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Uday learned from daddy, who cut health insurance for his grandnephew the moment his deceased brother’s family contested their father’s will.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 3:27:21pm

re: #214 KGxvi

The flat earthers are going to use this as proof that it’s all magnets n shit.

It is all magnets and shit. But they don’t know how magnets work.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:28:09pm

Thanks re: #291 Targetpractice

Uday learned from daddy, who cut health insurance for his grandnephew the moment his deceased brother’s family contested their father’s will.

Remember when the right tried using Obama’s half brother to attack him. No word about how Donald did that to his brother’s family.

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Jay C  May 9, 2018 • 3:28:21pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

I always wondered who RFK’s VP would be if he hadn’t been assassinated or how a Gene McCarthy nomination plays out in 1968.

Assuming Bobby Kennedy hadn’t been assassinated - and (BIG “if”) he had won the Dem nomination in 1968, my guess is he would have picked someone like Stuart Symington as VP on his ticket: a Party “regular” - but without much Vietnam baggage. I think Gene McCarthy would in any event, have likely faded away into history as the footnote he eventually became.

Mind you, I also think, in this scenario, that Nixon might have won anyway: if the Humphrey nomination tore the Democratic Party apart, an RFK candidacy would probably have had much the same effect, Bobby’s “Kennedy charisma” notwithstanding. The Vietnam War was too raw a wound for the Party (and, rosy ’60s-nostalgia aside, not quite, in 1968, as unpopular as it should have been): any Democrat was looking at an uphill battle. And of course, Nixon and the Republicans’ ratfucking would still have been active….

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 3:28:36pm

re: #220 JordanRules

Mercy!!!!

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Every statement he made about Hillary was misdirection to make everyone look in her stuff instead of his.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 3:28:55pm
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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:29:07pm

re: #290 BeachDem

I think he got that show from appearing on the Apprentice (1/04, 10/04, 2/05, 3/05) and the yam and omarosa were frequent guests on it.

Oh I see now. My timeline was all off. I had no idea that damn show launched him.

Makes me really side-eye him, Burnett and NBC.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:29:14pm

re: #285 Mike Lamb

Let’s just roll with the insinuations for a second…what does this say about Donnie, Jr.?

They have FIVE CHILDREN together.

I hope every single one of those motherfuckers burn in hell for all eternity.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:33:03pm

re: #298 MsJ

They have FIVE CHILDREN together.

I hope every single one of those motherfuckers burn in hell for all eternity.

Dont worry folks she does not mean the kids. Calm down. She is not sending the kids to hell.

LOL ;)

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:33:39pm

Out of curiosity, is any of this Cohen stuff making broadcast evening news?

I don’t watch TV news of any kind (except the occasional Canadian broadcast) so I’m wondering if this is going out to the masses.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 3:34:47pm

re: #300 MsJ

Out of curiosity, is any of this Cohen stuff making broadcast evening news?

I don’t watch TV news of any kind (except the occasional Canadian broadcast) so I’m wondering if this is going out to the masses.

The masses watch Fox, so no it isn’t.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:35:06pm

re: #296 Skip Intro

I’ve said before, I supported McCain in 2000, thought he was the right choice then. I just wish he could have brought himself to endorse Clinton in 2016. We really needed that moment in 2016.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:35:19pm

re: #299 JordanRules

Dont worry folks she does not mean the kids. Calm down. She is not sending the kids to hell.

LOL ;)

Poorly worded. Shame on me. 🙄

Every one of those motherfuckers is every trump, Murdoch, Fox News liars, Huckabee, Conway. Every single last one.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:35:53pm

re: #249 HappyWarrior

Yeah I really think Carter benefited from being outside Washington and Watergate. Not sure who replaces Ford in that situation. We’ll probably never know since Nixon was gone before the ground work for the primaries began.

I cannot remember all the details…but Carter became a populist candidate by attacking Teddy Kennedy. I remember people talking about a speech back then that ripped Kennedy good as part of the problem with the DC insider power structure and Carter gained a lot out of that. Teddy was not a popular guy back then. He was still having a tough time getting over America’s outrage from his Chappaquiddick mess.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 3:36:29pm

re: #302 KGxvi

McCain has had a lot of chances to act decently. He ignored all of the ones that would have counted.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:36:35pm

re: #301 Skip Intro

The masses watch Fox, so no it isn’t.

I don’t think the that’s true. We wouldn’t be seeing election results like we have if that were true.

Ands I think broadcast still far outnumbers fox (MSNBC does at times).

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2018 • 3:37:08pm

re: #243 KGxvi

Reagan was in bad shape in 1976 after some of the early primaries. But support from GOP Senator Jesse Helms helped him win the North Carolina primary. I was 8 years old and can recall seeing President Ford speak at Lenoir-Rhyne College. Had Reagan not won that primary, he likely would have dropped out of the race and not been seen as a contender in 1980.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:37:16pm

re: #303 MsJ

Poorly worded. Shame on me. 🙄

Every one of those motherfuckers is every trump, Murdoch, Fox News liars, Huckabee, Conway. Every single last one.

I definitely know who you were putting on that train. All those evil fucks. Couldn’t resist the funny tho. Teeheehee…

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:37:49pm

re: #304 ObserverArt

I cannot remember all the details…but Carter became a populist candidate by attacking Teddy Kennedy. I remember people talking about a speech back then that ripped Kennedy good as part of the problem with the DC insider power structure and Carter gained a lot out of that. Teddy was not a popular guy back then. He was still having a tough time getting over America’s outrage from his Chappaquiddick mess.

Teddy didn’t run in ‘76 but you still may be right.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 3:38:10pm

re: #308 JordanRules

I definitely know who you were putting on that train. All those evil fucks. Couldn’t resist the funny tho. Teeheehee…

No prob. I read it again and gave myself the side eye.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2018 • 3:39:32pm

re: #299 JordanRules

Dont worry folks she does not mean the kids. Calm down. She is not sending the kids to hell.

LOL ;)

BURN ALL THE BABIES!

BURN ALL THE BABIES!!!

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:40:10pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 3:40:12pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

BURN ALL THE BABIES!

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Video

What… the… FUCK.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 3:41:03pm

re: #306 MsJ

I don’t think the that’s true. We wouldn’t be seeing election results like we have if that were true.

Ands I think broadcast still far outnumbers fox (MSNBC does at times).

Well the thing is broadcast news will spend, at most, maybe 5 minutes on a story that would require hours. Meanwhile Fox will spend days, weeks, or months on total bullshit.

That Trump isn’t below 20% approval shows just how much Fox controls the dialogue in the US.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:41:19pm

re: #294 Jay C

Assuming Bobby Kennedy hadn’t been assassinated - and (BIG “if”) he had won the Dem nomination in 1968, my guess is he would have picked someone like Stuart Symington as VP on his ticket: a Party “regular” - but without much Vietnam baggage. I think Gene McCarthy would in any event, have likely faded away into history as the footnote he eventually became.

Mind you, I also think, in this scenario, that Nixon might have won anyway: if the Humphrey nomination tore the Democratic Party apart, an RFK candidacy would probably have had much the same effect, Bobby’s “Kennedy charisma” notwithstanding. The Vietnam War was too raw a wound for the Party (and, rosy ’60s-nostalgia aside, not quite, in 1968, as unpopular as it should have been): any Democrat was looking at an uphill battle. And of course, Nixon and the Republicans’ ratfucking would still have been active….

Nixon’s paranoia can probably be traced to 1960 and his interactions with the Kennedys (he and JFK were cordial and even friendly when they served together in Congress and I think on some level he felt betrayed by his “friend” after that election). I think had RFK been the nominee in ‘68 it might have completely broken Nixon.

But then as you mention, Americans still believed at the time that we were fighting a just cause (and I think we were, we just couldn’t get an outcome like Korea to hold).

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calochortus  May 9, 2018 • 3:43:29pm

re: #300 MsJ

Out of curiosity, is any of this Cohen stuff making broadcast evening news?

I don’t watch TV news of any kind (except the occasional Canadian broadcast) so I’m wondering if this is going out to the masses.

Well, it’s on The NewsHour, so yes, but that’s PBS, so not really.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:44:14pm

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

BURN ALL THE BABIES!

[Embedded content]

Video

ROFL!!!

So I switched tabs and when I pop back over to my LGF tab all I see on my tablet screen is burn all the babies in all caps with an ominious shot of the video. I lost it!!! Whew. For real laughing out loud.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 3:44:42pm

re: #312 JordanRules

Pretty sure Hewitt started supporting Trump when it became clear his only other choice was a Not Republican. And specifically a Not Republican who was named Clinton.

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freetoken  May 9, 2018 • 3:46:04pm

re: #312 JordanRules

Salem is a self-declared “Christian” media company.

Of course they force their radio hosts to carry the official dogma.

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Scottish Dragon  May 9, 2018 • 3:46:05pm

re: #315 KGxvi

Nixon’s paranoia can probably be traced to 1960 and his interactions with the Kennedys (he and JFK were cordial and even friendly when they served together in Congress and I think on some level he felt betrayed by his “friend” after that election). I think had RFK been the nominee in ‘68 it might have completely broken Nixon.

But then as you mention, Americans still believed at the time that we were fighting a just cause (and I think we were, we just couldn’t get an outcome like Korea to hold).

We never understood Vietnam and ultimately it was NOT just on our part to keep upholding a preposterously corrupt and autocratic government that had nothing in common (religion and socioeconomics) with the rest of the country. We had a chance to cut a deal with Ho Chi Minh in 1946. We should have taken it.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2018 • 3:47:35pm

re: #294 Jay C

Former N.C. Gov. Terry Sanford would have been a solid VP choice in order to thwart Nixon’s Southern Strategy and limit Wallace’s reach beyond Alabama and Mississippi.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2018 • 3:48:20pm

re: #313 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What… the… FUCK.

Tiny Tina from Borderlands 2. Every game needs a hyperactive teenage demolitions expert. Also she narrates the best DLC in the history of video games.

Borderlands 2 - The First Five Minutes of Tiny Tina’s DLC

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calochortus  May 9, 2018 • 3:48:41pm

The NewHour is also doing a segment on the “This is America” video, so definitely not the network news.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:48:46pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Teddy didn’t run in ‘76 but you still may be right.

Yes, he did not run in ‘76. I think you didn’t catch my drift. Kennedy was so unpopular as an ‘established’ Washington insider of a more than a little hated American power family that he became a tool in a Carter speech. Everyone knew Kennedy and his problems. Many Democrats didn’t like him. Carter played on all of that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 3:49:46pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Tiny Tina from Borderlands 2. Every game needs a hyperactive teenage demolitions expert. Also she narrates the best DLC in the history of video games.

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If I ever play a game where there isn’t somebody who is obsessively fascinated with blowing shit up, I’m going to quit playing it.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:52:31pm

Gloves are off in Cohen trials against Stormy lawyers Avenatti. Cohen lawyers are calling out Avenatti for having no right to have in his possession Cohen bank records.* They think his using them on TV is way out of bounds and they are asking the judge to call Avenatti in and ask how he came in possession.

* An admittance the bank records are in fact legit.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:53:39pm

re: #318 KGxvi

Pretty sure Hewitt started supporting Trump when it became clear his only other choice was a Not Republican. And specifically a Not Republican who was named Clinton.

The ratings/money argument that was included in some of the suggestive communications seems like it could be persuasive to Hugh.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 3:53:56pm

re: #275 KGxvi

I’d love to know the rational of the 34% “no difference” group. How many of them are saying that because “Trump’s not getting removed anyway”? How many are just cynical assholes?

I mark it down as everyone hates politics. It was a very open question.

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Jack Burton  May 9, 2018 • 3:55:57pm

re: #313 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What… the… FUCK.

Forget it Jake. It’s Pandora.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2018 • 3:56:07pm

re: #324 ObserverArt

Yes, he did not run in ‘76. I think you didn’t catch my drift. Kennedy was so unpopular as an ‘established’ Washington insider of a more than a little hated American power family that he became a tool in a Carter speech. Everyone knew Kennedy and his problems. Many Democrats didn’t like him. Carter played on all of that.

Oh yeah. Sorry I assumed the attack was on Kennedy as a fellow candidate like in 1980. Understood.

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Varek Raith  May 9, 2018 • 3:56:41pm

re: #329 Jack Burton

Forget it Jake. It’s Pandora.

JUST FOLLOW THE SOOTHING SOUND OF MY VOICE

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 3:59:01pm

Bad distraction takes were everywhere. Mueller was never distracted.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 4:00:42pm

re: #296 Skip Intro

Kasie Hunt ✔
@kasie
INTERESTING: In his new book, @SenJohnMcCain confirms he gave the Steele dossier to Jim Comey, and defends his role in its getting to the FBI. “I did what duty demanded I do,” he writes.

4:22 PM - May 9, 2018

Devin Nunes…you just got knocked upside the head a good one. This blows a hell of a hole in your BS.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:01:00pm

re: #326 ObserverArt

Gloves are off in Cohen trials against Stormy lawyers Avenatti. Cohen lawyers are calling out Avenatti for having no right to have in his possession Cohen bank records.* They think his using them on TV is way out of bounds and they are asking the judge to call Avenatti in and ask how he came in possession.

* An admittance the bank records are in fact legit.

They are so bad at this.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 4:01:55pm

T-Mobile pays ex-FCC commissioner to lobby for Sprint merger

Republican Robert McDowell says, “T-Mobile-Sprint Merger is great for America.”

Nothing to see here, just business as usual.

arstechnica.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 4:03:29pm

Let the Games Begin!

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 4:04:18pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

Tiny Tina from Borderlands 2. Every game needs a hyperactive teenage demolitions expert. Also she narrates the best DLC in the history of video games.

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The Borderlands games have the beat female characters. they come in all shapes, sizes, and attitudes.

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Varek Raith  May 9, 2018 • 4:05:35pm

To hell with the First Law!

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sagehen  May 9, 2018 • 4:05:40pm

re: #267 KGxvi

I think Jon Lovett made the joke a week or two ago on PSA that this is the part of the Trump investigation is the part of the movie Conspiracy Theory where we learn that Mel Gibson isn’t crazy because all that stuff actually happened to him.

Except he really *is* crazy… he’s got more than a dozen nutty plots he’s trying to expose, but only one of them was real.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 4:06:15pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let the Games Begin!

Inaccurate but true, and we’re really pissed.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2018 • 4:06:16pm

Avenatti will eat them alive unless they get a sympathetic judge.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 4:06:26pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

To hell with the First Law!

Oh shit. Guys, Skynet just became self-aware!

/Ironically, I’m now working in Artificial Intelligence, Skynet is now MY domain

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 4:07:49pm

re: #334 JordanRules

They are so bad at this.

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*snicker*

Pros!

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 4:09:03pm

Pure coinkidink.

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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 4:12:10pm

re: #345 MsJ

Pure coinkidink.

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COINCIDENCE is a “CO” word like COllusion…COnspiracy…and of course COn!

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 4:12:35pm

re: #295 Belafon

Every statement he made about Hillary was misdirection to make everyone look in her stuff instead of his.

and everyone did

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 4:13:53pm

I hope Mueller has some bombs to drop soon.

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jaunte  May 9, 2018 • 4:13:53pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

It’s amazing how interchangeable local news broadcast teams are, all around the country.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 4:14:01pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

COINCIDENCE is a “CO” word like COllusion…COnspiracy…and of course COn!

I’m thinking co-conspirators.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:14:08pm

re: #347 dangerman

and everyone did

Damn. That painful truth is painful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 4:15:56pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:16:13pm

re: #341 Dave In Austin

Avenatti will eat them alive unless they get a sympathetic judge.

I mentioned the other day that litigating cases in public is a dangerous game. Avenatti’s decision to go public with these documents, at this time, is not the decision I would have made. In part because it exposes him to having to answer the question of how he got them. And in part because it is always much more fun to surprise the other side with information like this in a motion (or deposition/discovery setting) that they aren’t prepared for rather than on TV, and giving them the chance to go to the judge to accuse you of bad acts.

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plansbandc  May 9, 2018 • 4:16:22pm

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 4:18:58pm
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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 4:19:59pm

re: #354 plansbandc

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that’s a fact

he grates on me

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2018 • 4:20:16pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trumpstapo.

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 4:20:21pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:20:34pm

Another point, Avenatti has been going on TV touting this report that he made public while also claiming the work product privilege on his sources. I’m not sure a judge is going to be too keen on allowing the work product privilege when Avenatti is going to have to produce evidence to establish that these records are true and correct.

He also had a hard time answering Nicole Wallace’s question about how it was directly tied to the Daniels’ case(s). The smart answer would be that this goes to show whether Trump actually performed his duties under the contract, and also ties into his knowledge of the agreement, since he couldn’t be a party to an agreement that he didn’t know about (no meeting of the minds).

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 4:20:39pm

re: #355 jeffreyw

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can we come and live with you?
or maybe just come for meals?

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:21:32pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Patriot. Much respect.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 9, 2018 • 4:21:44pm

re: #358 jeffreyw

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And I just had one of those for dinner. My mom made Italian beef for years, and she passed the recipe on to my wife. NOM.

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JordanRules  May 9, 2018 • 4:24:34pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 9, 2018 • 4:24:36pm

re: #354 plansbandc

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Make America Grate Again.

Yep, it’s happening.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2018 • 4:24:59pm

re: #300 MsJ

Out of curiosity, is any of this Cohen stuff making broadcast evening news?

I don’t watch TV news of any kind (except the occasional Canadian broadcast) so I’m wondering if this is going out to the masses.

Totally on CNN

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:26:34pm

Well, looks like my worst case scenario on Iran is already onto step 2:

The Germans, it turns out, were not pleased:

“It’s not up to me to teach the U.S. ambassador how to be diplomatic, but he does seem to need a bit of tutoring,” said Andrea Nahles, the leader of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, according to German broadcaster Deutsche Welle.

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Renaissance_Man  May 9, 2018 • 4:26:38pm

re: #359 KGxvi

Another point, Avenatti has been going on TV touting this report that he made public while also claiming the work product privilege on his sources. I’m not sure a judge is going to be too keen on allowing the work product privilege when Avenatti is going to have to produce evidence to establish that these records are true and correct.

He also had a hard time answering Nicole Wallace’s question about how it was directly tied to the Daniels’ case(s). The smart answer would be that this goes to show whether Trump actually performed his duties under the contract, and also ties into his knowledge of the agreement, since he couldn’t be a party to an agreement that he didn’t know about (no meeting of the minds).

I appreciate the legal insight, and I too am worried that Avenatti has made an error by going public with this. That said, isn’t he also one of those people who has always been excellent professionally - first in class, highly recruited, etc? I thought I read that somewhere.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2018 • 4:27:41pm

Holy cow, I hadn’t heard about this one:

Sen. Susan Collins: If the President gave you a direct order to waterboard a terrorism suspect, what would you do?
Gina Haspel: “I do not believe the President would ask me to do that”

from Charlie Pierce’s column.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:28:29pm

re: #368 retired cynic

Holy cow, I hadn’t heard about this one:

Sen. Susan Collins: If the President gave you a direct order to waterboard a terrorism suspect, what would you do?
Gina Haspel: “I do not believe the President would ask me to do that”

from Charlie Pierce’s column.

That’s not an answer to that question.

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Stanley Sea  May 9, 2018 • 4:29:02pm

re: #344 Varek Raith

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Video
O_o

That’s actually very pretty!

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:30:08pm

re: #367 Renaissance_Man

I appreciate the legal insight, and I too am worried that Avenatti has made an error by going public with this. That said, isn’t he also one of those people who has always been excellent professionally - first in class, highly recruited, etc? I thought I read that somewhere.

Not sure. But I’ve seen plenty of those sorts of attorneys fuck up out of hubris.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 4:30:14pm
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ObserverArt  May 9, 2018 • 4:30:30pm

re: #353 KGxvi

I mentioned the other day that litigating cases in public is a dangerous game. Avenatti’s decision to go public with these documents, at this time, is not the decision I would have made. In part because it exposes him to having to answer the question of how he got them. And in part because it is always much more fun to surprise the other side with information like this in a motion (or deposition/discovery setting) that they aren’t prepared for rather than on TV, and giving them the chance to go to the judge to accuse you of bad acts.

Big question in all of this. Who does Michael Avenatti work for? Do we know all in that regards. Sure, he works for Stormy; does that mean that is all he can do and is doing in this case?

I know nothing of the law, just looking around. As an artist one of the biggest lessons I learned was you have to learn to look at the negative shapes in the design. In other words, what is between and around the obvious shapes, because those shapes can have as much impact on the design as those positive and known.

What are the unknowns about Avenatti? All I know is he is sharp, quick-witted and fun as hell to watch just by his nature and what he is doing. But I don’t know all.

He has been cagey about making it clear. He doesn’t commit to coming out and saying Stormy pays him and he is her lawyer and her lawyer only. He often times says that isn’t something everyone needs to know.

I like him, but you may be on to something and it may just end up being that Avenatti may have a bigger role in some of this than what is totally known. Even if he was tipped to be the guy to take this case by ‘someone’ unknown. How did they get together?

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 4:31:24pm

re: #360 dangerman

can we come and live with you?
or maybe just come for meals?

Sure! I’ll leave the light on for ya… mind the crocs in the moat, now.

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 4:31:47pm

re: #358 jeffreyw

Mmmmmmmmm! Luke’s all the way!

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2018 • 4:33:14pm

re: #362 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And I just had one of those for dinner. My mom made Italian beef for years, and she passed the recipe on to my wife. NOM.

We finished off a batch of ‘em last month

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2018 • 4:35:28pm

Well, isn’t this just swell.

CNN poll: Democrats’ 2018 advantage is nearly gone

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MsJ  May 9, 2018 • 4:37:38pm

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Totally on CNN

I was thinking CBS, NBC, ABC. That’s what I was curious about.

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Belafon  May 9, 2018 • 4:37:45pm

re: #377 Skip Intro

Well, isn’t this just swell.

CNN poll: Democrats’ 2018 advantage is nearly gone

Which is why they keep getting +13 in votes.

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petesh  May 9, 2018 • 4:41:43pm

re: #373 ObserverArt

Avenatti does have a rather good legal record (see wiki or his own website) and did sue Trump & the Apprentice producers and settle in 2006; that was just before he set up his own form, so I suppose he may have some residual distaste. Or maybe he just despises the President* as Pierce calls him. Also, he cut his political teeth under Rahm Emmanuel, another hardball kind of asshole. Yes, he could be overstepping but he has clearly decided to take Trump on via TV, and so far he’s doing a good job of it.

Note that we still have heard essentially nothing from the official investigators. If
Avenatti screws up, that doesn’t hurt them; and if he doesn’t, that might help. So I say, go for it!

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:43:13pm

re: #373 ObserverArt

Big question in all of this. Who does Michael Avenatti work for? Do we know all in that regards. Sure, he works for Stormy; does that mean that is all he can do and is doing in this case?

I know nothing of the law, just looking around. As an artist one of the biggest lessons I learned was you have to learn to look at the negative shapes in the design. In other words, what is between and around the obvious shapes, because those shapes can have as much impact on the design as those positive and known.

What are the unknowns about Avenatti? All I know is he is sharp, quick-witted and fun as hell to watch just by his nature and what he is doing. But I don’t know all.

He has been cagey about making it clear. He doesn’t commit to coming out and saying Stormy pays him and he is her lawyer and her lawyer only. He often times says that isn’t something everyone needs to know.

I like him, but you may be on to something and it may just end up being that Avenatti may have a bigger role in some of this than what is totally known. Even if he was tipped to be the guy to take this case by ‘someone’ unknown. How did they get together?

Sometimes as a plaintiff’s attorney you end up representing multiple parties against the same defendant on similar cases. That was the case for me early in my legal career when I was working for a guy that did a lot of landlord/tenant warranty of habitability cases, we often sued the Irvine Company. As a result, we would often have information in one case that could be relevant in another.

It might be the case that Avenatti has another client/case which resulted in him getting some of this information. But process matters in the law, and cutting corners is frowned upon.

The question will be whether these documents can be verified as true and correct. Obviously, companies coming out saying they’re true helps in that regard. But at this point, they are hearsay. And I’m going to keep a skeptical eye on him.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 4:44:38pm

More things happened in Hawaii..

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KGxvi  May 9, 2018 • 4:47:06pm

re: #381 KGxvi

One more thought, regardless of all of this, Avenatti owes Daniels a fiduciary duty. If he does things that end up hurting her case - for example releasing this information results in a discovery sanction that makes it inadmissible as evidence, and they lose the case, he could be liable for malpractice.

For the record, I’m not accusing him of malpractice, but this release does at least raise the specter depending on how things play out.

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Single-handed sailor  May 9, 2018 • 4:49:03pm
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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2018 • 4:50:10pm

re: #360 dangerman

can we come and live with you?
or maybe just come for meals?

Do you have wings?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2018 • 5:04:49pm

re: #172 Mattand

Speaking of giant monsters: anyone with a PS4 owes it to themselves to play the new God of War, even if they just rent it from Redbox for the night.
I’m an admitted fanboy of the series, but Good Lord, this is easily one of the greatest video games of all time.

Even without touching the game, I know you’re wrong. The honor of best game ever goes to Horizon: Zero Dawn.

Sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2018 • 5:15:04pm

re: #379 Belafon

Which is whyth

Bernie woulda won!!!!!

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 5:24:56pm

re: #353 KGxvi

I mentioned the other day that litigating cases in public is a dangerous game. Avenatti’s decision to go public with these documents, at this time, is not the decision I would have made. In part because it exposes him to having to answer the question of how he got them. And in part because it is always much more fun to surprise the other side with information like this in a motion (or deposition/discovery setting) that they aren’t prepared for rather than on TV, and giving them the chance to go to the judge to accuse you of bad acts.

i was wrong that clinton was gonna win
i was wrong that congress would step up
i was wrong that the press would step up
i was wrong that the president’s doctor was an honest, stand up guy and wouldnt fudge a physical in peril of his career

of all the public actors in this drama, i think Avenatti would be the one who actually has a plan / is playing some form of chess to their checkers.

i dont really want to be wrong again

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dangerman  May 9, 2018 • 5:27:12pm

re: #385 Barefoot Grin

Do you have wings?

i can bring a bucket o’


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