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1
Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:11:19pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:13:05pm

“Likeable” ladies are hard to define. I find Nancy Pelosi quite likeable, but there might be some that don’t. Beauty is in the text of the sealed indictment.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:14:26pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

I see what you did there.

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:16:25pm

Two years of “Don’t you think she looks tired?” reporting, with every yawn, sniffle, and stumble analyzed as “proof” of every medical malady commonly known and a few culled from the deeper parts of WebMD.

Every frown or pinched look criticized as looking “mean” to voters, with at least one moron (bonus points if they have a uterus) suggesting the female candidates would gain more in the polls if they “smiled more.”

Open discussions about the “dangers” of a woman president, with numerous PMS jokes made as though the current occupant of the Oval Office is the very model of restraint and emotional stability.

And all the usual remarks about “stamina,” “presence,” and the general suggestion that a female president just wouldn’t be taken “seriously” compared to her male counterparts. Because a fat-ass who needs a golf cart to keep up with other world leaders commands so much more respect, dontchaknow.//////

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:17:30pm

Please tell me again how trump is likable.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:17:43pm

A lot of Bernie Sanders fans remind me VERY MUCH of Ron Paulians. Same irrational devotion and vitriol toward critics.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:18:31pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

A pathology finding a vector.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:18:46pm

“Likable Ladies” and “Dudes You’d Want to Have a Beer With” are inventions of a fourth estate too lazy to do the hard work of keeping the public informed about governing and politics and being a check on power.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:18:56pm
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jaunte  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:19:51pm

What sane person finds Trump likeable?

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Alephnaught  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:20:18pm

From last thread:

re: #20 Joe Bacon 🌹

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:22:47pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:23:10pm

OT I am taking a break from this insanity by watching Bob Ross on the local PBS station. His paintwork and voice are very relaxing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:25:52pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

A lot of Bernie Sanders fans remind me VERY MUCH of Ron Paulians. Same irrational devotion and vitriol toward critics.

Yeah they attract a lot of the same types of people.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:25:57pm

re: #12 jaunte

Halloween was months ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:26:45pm

sharing just because of #SatansSnotRag

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:28:59pm

So Jack Dorsey is stealing from the Steve Jobs playbook.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:30:19pm

Trump’s Chief of Staff was on Face the Nation spinning like a top.

1. Trump is willing to shut down the gov’t again in three weeks.
2. We’re facing a serious humanitarian and security crisis.
3. Trump doesn’t WANT to shut down the gov’t so don’t make him do it.
4. Rank and file democrats in the House agree with Trump, but Nancy Pelosi is so mean.

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MsJ  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:30:22pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

A lot of Bernie Sanders fans remind me VERY MUCH of Ron Paulians. Same irrational devotion and vitriol toward critics.

Equally Lyndon LaRouche.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:30:53pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

you aяе теяяiбle peяsoи!!!

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MsJ  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:31:24pm

re: #11 Alephnaught

From last thread:

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I’m sure Jack has the word Nazis filtered so he’ll never see that tweet.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:34:57pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:34:58pm

re: #18 Teddy’s Person

Trump’s Chief of Staff was on Face the Nation spinning like a top.

1. Trump is willing to shut down the gov’t again in three weeks.
2. We’re facing a serious humanitarian and security crisis.
3. Trump doesn’t WANT to shut down the gov’t so don’t make him do it.
4. Rank and file democrats in the House agree with Trump, but Nancy Pelosi is so mean.

#4 is really the biggest thing they’re gonna take away from this whole shitshow: “The House Dems wanted to vote for a wall, but Nancy wouldn’t let them!” That means Nancy is a Speaker the likes we have not seen since Tip O’Neill. She commands power and respect in her caucus that John of Orange and the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver could never have hoped to wield within their own.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:37:10pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

#4 is really the biggest thing they’re gonna take away from this whole shitshow: “The House Dems wanted to vote for a wall, but Nancy wouldn’t let them!” That means Nancy is a Speaker the likes we have not seen since Tip O’Neill. She commands power and respect in her caucus that John of Orange and the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver could never have hoped to wield within their own.

The GOP voted for a clean resolution but Mitch didn’t allow it.

Nancy has decided to take the outcome of the 2018 elections as a signal to come out swinging and the Trump and GOP are still reeling from it…

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:37:39pm

Just read that Steve Schmidt has been advising Howard Schultz (CEO-Starbucks) on his toe-dipping into 2020. How in the holy hell does the guy who thought Sarah Palin was VP material get a gig advising anyone on their potential candidacy? Man, white dudes get so many second chances there needs to be some new math invented to keep track.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:37:51pm

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:39:43pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

We’ll never know. The only Dem on record voting for any wall funding is Joe Manchin. By contrast, House Repubs and Senate Repubs were on record as supporting bills without wall funding in order to end the shutdown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:39:55pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

among the millions who would have voted for him but had their votes stolen or cancelled out by an illegal immigrant

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:40:20pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

Having cocktails with “everyone says” and “most people think.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:40:24pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

We probably both like Katz’s Deli.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:41:09pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

A lot of Bernie Sanders fans remind me VERY MUCH of Ron Paulians. Same irrational devotion and vitriol toward critics.

Ie asshats

(No, not to be confused with arhat)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:41:44pm

re: #29 Teddy’s Person

Having cocktails with “everyone says” and “most people think.”

They seem to frequent hipster coffee shops.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:42:49pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Live and on the ground in Fort Lauderdale: Roger Stone has put up a giant Nixon poster in his front door’s window

Roger stone: Florida man

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:46:35pm

Roger Stone used his national platform to have this exchange:

“Are you prepared to spend the last years of your life in jail?” ABC host George Stephanopoulos asked at one point.

But Stone dismissed the notion, insisted that he would be “vindicated.”

“My attorneys… believe this indictment is thin as piss on a rock,” he argued. “So, I’m prepared to fight for my life. I have to go to the public at stonedefensefund.com to ask for their support.”

Always be grifting.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:47:19pm

Stone is coyly suggesting he might put out for the right inducement:

Roger Stone, ahead of arraignment, won’t categorically rule out cooperation agreement with special counsel

abcnews.go.com

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:49:03pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

#4 is really the biggest thing they’re gonna take away from this whole shitshow: “The House Dems wanted to vote for a wall, but Nancy wouldn’t let them!” That means Nancy is a Speaker the likes we have not seen since Tip O’Neill. She commands power and respect in her caucus that John of Orange and the Zombie-Eyed Granny Starver could never have hoped to wield within their own.

If that’s the case cf: Mitch McConnell
Then stfu

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:49:25pm

re: #24 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP voted for a clean resolution but Mitch didn’t allow it.

Nancy has decided to take the outcome of the 2018 elections as a signal to come out swinging and the Trump and GOP are still reeling from it…

Oops
Gmta

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:49:44pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

Maybe this one… //

In an interview on Sunday, MSNBC host Alex Witt asked Rep. Mark DeSaulnier (D-CA) if he would be willing to fund a border barrier in exchange for protections for immigrants who were brought to the U.S. as children.

“I’ve got to say that after this last [shutdown], the president and many of his associates are sociopaths,” DeSaulnier replied. “Sociopaths don’t have any empathy for the cruelty that that they impose on other people. They are pathological liars, clinically. And they have a great sense of grandiosity.”

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:51:36pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Stone is coyly suggesting he might put out for the right inducement:

Roger Stone, ahead of arraignment, won’t categorically rule out cooperation agreement with special counsel

abcnews.go.com

Like I said downstairs, Mueller would not have had this asshole drug like Saddam out of his spiderhole if he was looking to make a deal for information. He either figures he has all Stone could offer or he will get it by going through Stone’s electronic devices. IANAL, but I don’t think prosecutors have you tossed in the back of a car at the ass crack of dawn if they’re looking to get on your good side.

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:56:40pm

re: #38 Teddy’s Person

Maybe this one… //

I should correct myself that one House DINO did signal that he would vote for wall funding, so I guess Mulvaney could argue that two Dems are on record as being supporting of such.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:56:53pm

Here’s a run down of Roger Stone’s five sleaziest dirty tricks. Trump isn’t his first rodeo.

alternet.org

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:57:12pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Like I said downstairs, Mueller would not have had this asshole drug like Saddam out of his spiderhole if he was looking to make a deal for information. He either figures he has all Stone could offer or he will get it by going through Stone’s electronic devices. IANAL, but I don’t think prosecutors have you tossed in the back of a car at the ass crack of dawn if they’re looking to get on your good side.

I tried listing the people around the President who most need to do time, and try as I might, I couldn’t work Stone into better than 5th place.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:57:48pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Like I said downstairs, Mueller would not have had this asshole drug like Saddam out of his spiderhole if he was looking to make a deal for information. He either figures he has all Stone could offer or he will get it by going through Stone’s electronic devices. IANAL, but I don’t think prosecutors have you tossed in the back of a car at the ass crack of dawn if they’re looking to get on your good side.

as has already been said

the true target of Friday’s F.B.I. actions was not Mr. Stone himself, but his electronic devices.”

and

Mueller does not need Stone to get to someone else and, even if he did, he could not rely on whatever Stone told him. Stone has nothing to sell that Mueller would be interested in buying.”

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KerFuFFler  Jan 27, 2019 • 12:59:19pm

Well, we were all warned that the Trumps were bad at math:

YouTube

(It also pisses me off the way Ivanka tries to make it the guys’ job to answer math questions——-such a liberated role model.)

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:00:39pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

I should correct myself that one House DINO did signal that he would vote for wall funding, so I guess Mulvaney could argue that two Dems are on record as being supporting of such.

No correction needed for your post, and I’m not sure if I need to clarify that my post was snark. 😀

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Jay C  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:00:56pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

The ones collecting at that hipster coffee bar Jacob Wohl hangs out at…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:02:26pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sharing just because of #SatansSnotRag

Steven Miller is Satan’s buttplug.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:04:30pm

re: #44 KerFuFFler

Well, we were all warned that the Trumps were bad at math:

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Video

(It also pisses me off the way Ivanka tries to make it the guys’ job to answer math questions——-such a liberated role model.)

I majored in math as an undergrad and tutored a few of my male friends. I came home from class one day to find a copy of an article claiming that women are not as good at math as men taped to my door. I found the guys I tutored, threw the crumpled up article at them, and told them to never ask me for help with their math again.

narrator: They never did.

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:06:06pm

Forget doing your job, Border Patrol, we need you to provide evidence to back up Trump’s duct tape fantasies:

All,

We require your assistance on a quick turnaround for C-1.

Please forward any information that you may have (in any format) regarding claims “that traffickers tie up and silence women with tape before illegally driving them through the desert from Mexico to the United States in the backs of cars and windowless vans.” Reference the news article below for further info.

washingtonpost.com

We require this information to be submitted to BPHQG2 by 1200 EST.

V/R,

Armando Sianez — Acting Assistant Chief
US Border Patrol Headquarters

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:11:29pm

re: #49 jaunte

Somewhere in a hole in the wall in DC someone is saying, “Let’s get the Border Patrol to back up what DT said.”

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jaunte  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:13:40pm

re: #50 PhillyPretzel

Trump will corrupt anyone foolish enough to go along with him.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:16:22pm

re: #50 PhillyPretzel

Somewhere in a hole in the wall in DC someone is saying, “Let’s get the Border Patrol to back up what DT said.”

Note to self: Check recent Border Control credit card receipts for purchases of blue tape.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:21:13pm
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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:21:50pm

re: #49 jaunte

Forget doing your job, Border Patrol, we need you to provide evidence to back up Trump’s duct tape fantasies:

re: #50 PhillyPretzel

Somewhere in a hole in the wall in DC someone is saying, “Let’s get the Border Patrol to back up what DT said.”

re: #51 jaunte

Trump will corrupt anyone foolish enough to go along with him.

Five’ll get you ten someone at the Border Patrol is already hard at work making “evidence”.

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Targetpractice  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:22:20pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

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6. Fucking the furniture.

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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:22:28pm

re: #52 bd(it’s all true)

Note to self: Check recent Border Control credit card receipts for purchases of blue tape.

And U-Haul/Enterprise rentals.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:23:29pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

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Don’t think Trump’s heavy breathing is a debate trick. It’s he default setting. Dude’s not healthy.

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Alephnaught  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:25:22pm

re: #12 jaunte

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Funny how that ends up looking like Obama, doesn’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:26:54pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:27:30pm

re: #49 jaunte

Forget doing your job, Border Patrol, we need you to provide evidence to back up Trump’s duct tape fantasies:

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Six Characters in Search of an Author

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:27:35pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:29:43pm

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:30:06pm

something for HW:

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:30:43pm

Yep, here they come.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:32:40pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Yep, here they come.

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put a red conical hat on him and he’s a dead ringer for an ancient garden gnome

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:33:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:34:52pm
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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:35:09pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Yep, here they come.

Bernie’s been in a position “to change the world” for over 25 years. What exactly has he done? I guess getting elected to office is an accomplishment but that’s just the first step. Bernie supporters seem to think that’s all it takes.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:37:26pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

DT will say the crowds at his inauguration were bigger.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:38:09pm

re: #69 PhillyPretzel

DT will say the crowds at his inauguration were bigger.

so will Bernie and the Berners

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:39:43pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Yep, here they come.

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He’s on his fifth President. No signature legislation at all.

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can't think of a decent username  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:40:23pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Yep, here they come.

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I think I’ve seen that “(Name)IsABerner” style of username more than once. IOW, probably not a real person.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:44:45pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:47:30pm

re: #72 can’t think of a decent username

I think I’ve seen that “(Name)IsABerner” style of username more than once. IOW, probably not a real person.

And they repeat the same exact Tweets.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:48:08pm

I expect any of his supporters to answer these.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:49:32pm

re: #74 Joe Bacon 🌹

And they repeat the same exact Tweets.

If they are, we will have to figure out how to flag them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:53:16pm

re: #75 Belafon

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I expect any of his supporters to answer these.

Seriously how can he legitimately call Trump out on transparency with this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:53:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:53:37pm
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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:57:52pm

More on DT’s latest Venezuela business:

washingtonmonthly.com

by Joshua Alvarez.

The Trump administration’s actions against the Nicolas Maduro regime in Venezuela have been met with praise. But Nicolas Maduro’s reign of power in Venezuela is illegitimate. Not only was his latest election to the presidency stolen, he’s presiding over a failed state that is harming its own citizens and causing South America’s own gigantic refugee crisis. Through actual statecraft—and only looping in the president after moves were in motion-administration officials secured an international diplomatic coalition declaring Maduro illegitimate and Juan Guaido, the head of the National Assembly, as the country’s rightful interim president.

Goes on to wonder if DT is standing up for human rights and democracy here, why does he recognize Guatemalan President Morales or Honduras President Hernandez, and isn’t it odd that those countries are where the dreaded “caravans” are originating?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:58:11pm

I just found out I was on a Twitter list of “Bernie Sanders Supporters” probably from 3 years ago when I voted for him in the primary.

No more tho. Blocked that Bernoid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 1:59:40pm

but of course…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:01:25pm

JFC

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:02:34pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

but of course…

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But it will be an American citizen team building exercise!

We can all take off our MAGA/Pussy Hats, lock arms and sing kumbaya while watching the dead Venezuelan civilians on tv.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:03:23pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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You literally wrote for a site called Red State.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:04:09pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You literally wrote for a site called Red State.

lol

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:04:39pm

re: #84 bd(it’s all true)

But it will be an American citizen team building exercise!

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We can all take off our MAGA/Pussy Hats, lock arms and sing kumbaya while watching the dead Venezuelan civilians on tv.

Uh no Hugh. Maduro is a monster but so are many of the admin’s allies. Fuck your war lust.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:05:08pm

re: #86 bd(it’s all true)

lol

I mean. He acts like he’s this independent guy when he’s anything but.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:05:41pm

I’m old enough to remember how the Vietnam war united all Americans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:05:44pm

Seriously, who tf even pays attention to Ben Stein any more?

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EPR-radar  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:05:44pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

You literally wrote for a site called Red State.

More that that. IIRC Erick Erickson was a founder of RedState, and the entire purpose of RedState was precisely to place political combat above reporting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:06:52pm

re: #90 The Vicious Babushka

Seriously, who tf even pays attention to Ben Stein any more?

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Uh no Ben. STFU you old irrelevant hack.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:07:05pm

re: #91 EPR-radar

More that that. IIRC Erick Erickson was a founder of RedState, and the entire purpose of RedState was precisely to place political combat above reporting.

Precisely

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:07:34pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:08:00pm

re: #83 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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This thread is an amazing summary of how the newspaper business got into such trouble:

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:09:02pm

THREAD

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:10:25pm
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:10:39pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

“Likeable” ladies are hard to define. I find Nancy Pelosi quite likeable, but there might be some that don’t. Beauty is in the text of the sealed indictment.

Likability for politicians is, I think, a mostly visceral thing for most voters. Same with “authenticity” - it’s not necessarily about policy, it’s about trust. I think voters want to be able to trust the president (and this is one of the things that has made Trump a fundamentally unpopular president through the course of his presidency).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:11:42pm

re: #94 Dave In Austin

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So fucking patronizing.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:11:45pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

Why the fuck is ICE messing around with domestic travel?

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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:14:49pm

Time to put this up again.

NEWSWEEK - DNC RULE CHANGE MAY BLOCK BERNIE SANDERS FROM RUNNING AS DEMOCRAT IN 2020

new rule adopted by the Democratic National Committee may block Bernie Sanders and other political outsiders from seeking the Democratic Party’s nomination in the 2020 presidential election.

Randi Weingarten, a member of the DNC and president of the American Federation of Teachers, posted a photo of the rule change on Twitter saying that the rules and bylaws committee had “changed the rules to ensure to run for President as a Democrat you need to be a Democrat.”

In order to seek the party’s nomination, a candidate must publicly announce that they are a registered Democrat, will accept the Democratic nomination, and will “run and serve” as a member of the Democratic Party.

…more at link…

Image from Newsweek…

Another source, same info…

The Hill - DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:14:57pm

re: #100 KGxvi

Why the fuck is ICE messing around with domestic travel?

Because they feel like it and that’s how they get their jollies.

They have FUN with this.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:15:18pm

re: #84 bd(it’s all true)

Hugh, the Christian thing would be “taking in the Venezuelans” not taking them on.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:16:02pm

re: #84 bd(it’s all true)

But it will be an American citizen team building exercise!

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We can all take off our MAGA/Pussy Hats, lock arms and sing kumbaya while watching the dead Venezuelan civilians on tv.

There will be a lot of Americans uniting against it.

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EPR-radar  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:16:16pm

re: #100 KGxvi

Why the fuck is ICE messing around with domestic travel?

Because getting to ‘papers, please’ in the US is one of the few things depraved enough to get jaded conservatives hard.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:16:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:17:40pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:18:08pm

re: #94 Dave In Austin

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:18:57pm

We need a universal twitter rejection of Sanders that everyone uses….. and that’s all they get

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:19:14pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The guys on PSA keep mentioning this… if a lot of Trump’s public statements had instead been private letters/emails or recorded private conversations, we’d all recognize it as conspiracy/collusion/obstruction of justice. But because he does his crimes in public, it sort of fries everyone’s brains and a lot of people just can’t recognize it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:20:04pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They love milking that right wing victim wagon.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:20:54pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

We need a universal twitter rejection of Sanders that everyone uses….. and that’s all they get

Lindsey Graham is recognized as Butters from South Park… in that vein, we can recognize Bernie as Mr. Garrison.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:20:56pm
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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:21:49pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Remember, ICE and the other INS descendant organizations have a culture of abuse and racism dating back to the 19th Century and focussing on non-whites.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:23:52pm

re: #8 Teddy’s Person

“Likable Ladies” and “Dudes You’d Want to Have a Beer With” are inventions of a fourth estate too lazy to do the hard work of keeping the public informed about governing and politics and being a check on power.

Plus the hard work isn’t very profitable.

Nothing gets done in America if it doesn’t make somebody money. Preferably someone who already has far more than they need.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:25:20pm

re: #112 KGxvi

Lindsey Graham is recognized as Butters from South Park… in that vein, we can recognize Bernie as Mr. Garrison.

Ha.

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ipsos  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:27:54pm

re: #114 gwangung

I suspect it was actually CBP, not ICE, doing the harassing in this case. They’re commonly seen (albeit in marked cars) at the train and bus stations here in western NY… that whole asinine rule that gives them search powers within 100 miles of the border.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:31:05pm
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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:31:55pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Time to put this up again.

NEWSWEEK - DNC RULE CHANGE MAY BLOCK BERNIE SANDERS FROM RUNNING AS DEMOCRAT IN 2020

Image from Newsweek…

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Another source, same info…

The Hill - DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

HOW DARE THE DEMOCRATS DEMAND THAT ONLY DEMOCRATS RUN IN THEIR PRIMARY!!!! SO MUCH FOR BEING THE BIG TENT PARTY!!

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:36:18pm

re: #84 bd(it’s all true)

For the hashtag:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:41:57pm

re: #120 Belafon

For the hashtag:

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That Intercept hot take about Trump’s FP is looking great.//

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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:43:18pm

re: #117 ipsos

I suspect it was actually CBP, not ICE, doing the harassing in this case. They’re commonly seen (albeit in marked cars) at the train and bus stations here in western NY… that whole asinine rule that gives them search powers within 100 miles of the border.

Yes, that’s what I said about the INS descendant; they have the xenophobic DNA that has them itching to unleash the wrath of God on the unworthy (i.e., the non-white).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:46:26pm

re: #117 ipsos

I suspect it was actually CBP, not ICE, doing the harassing in this case. They’re commonly seen (albeit in marked cars) at the train and bus stations here in western NY… that whole asinine rule that gives them search powers within 100 miles of the border.

And the really fucked up thing is that if I had been on that bus, and I have the same documents this lady had, I probably would have been ignored because I have white skin.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:53:13pm

Interesting that the news that Treasury is lifting sanctions on 3 of Deripaska’s businesses is rolled out on a Sunday evening.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:53:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 2:57:46pm

Thread.

Read it now.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:01:49pm

re: #112 KGxvi

Lindsey Graham is recognized as Butters from South Park… in that vein, we can recognize Bernie as Mr. Garrison.

The comparison of Lindsey to Trump and Butter to Cartman is pretty eerie.

Bernie almost reminds me of Officer Barbrady… loud and annoying but absolutely useless.

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fern01  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:06:07pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

Stone is coyly suggesting he might put out for the right inducement:

Roger Stone, ahead of arraignment, won’t categorically rule out cooperation agreement with special counsel

abcnews.go.com

How would anyone believe what he says? He would be another who agreed to co-operate and then lied.

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Old Liberal  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:06:08pm

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD

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In the old days a Senator would call the Department head and shake them over shit like this. Not in Trumpworld I imagine

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:07:22pm

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Who are these mysterious “Democrats who agree with Trump” that no one is willing to name?

Republicans.

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unproven innocence  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:08:08pm

re: #124 Barefoot Grin

Interesting that the news that Treasury is lifting sanctions on 3 of Deripaska’s businesses is rolled out on a Sunday evening.

Mere days after this young woman was taken into custody at Moscow Airport:

Model With 2016 Secret Fights To Escape Russia, Oleg Deripaska’s Reach | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:10:24pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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totally believable that a dog would name a stuffed animal ‘sebastian’

no ——->>> ///

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:10:32pm

re: #127 Myron Falwell

The comparison of Lindsey to Trump and Butter to Cartman is pretty eerie.

Bernie almost reminds me of Officer Barbrady… loud and annoying but absolutely useless.

Graham was actually being called Butters long before Trump came on the scene. As far back as at least 2010 (Andrew Sullivan was the first one I remember calling him that). Barbrady is a pretty good one for Sanders, particularly with the “nothing to see here” part.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:11:00pm

re: #94 Dave In Austin

LauraIsABerner responded with a link to Bernie’s Senate webpage, as if that somehow “proves” he has more “accomplishments” than any other professional politician, like NANCY PELOSI.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:13:37pm

re: #132 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

totally believable that a dog would name a stuffed animal ‘sebastian’

no ——->>> ///

Well, he is smart enough to tweet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:15:23pm

re: #112 KGxvi

Lindsey Graham is recognized as Butters from South Park… in that vein, we can recognize Bernie as Mr. Garrison.

Bernie is Mr. Mackey.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:16:39pm

This just in: Trump is a wuss and a coward

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:19:16pm

re: #94 Dave In Austin

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the question is what’s bernie afraid of?

- why isnt he a registered loud and proud democrat?
- why wont he release his tax returns?

and that’s just for openers, because it’s not like he hasn’t been asked for both

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:22:23pm

re: #132 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

totally believable that a dog would name a stuffed animal ‘sebastian’

no ——->>> ///

Would if its name were “Belle”.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:22:57pm

re: #135 Belafon

Well, he is smart enough to tweet.

and to manage that without thumbs!

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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:25:03pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Since the risk of death is currently 100% for all human beings, does this mean if you eat fried chicken every day the risk would be 117%?

Asking for a very worried friend.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 27, 2019

A life without good fried chicken is like a life without sunshine…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:25:10pm

I totally missed that Hewitt said something this morning that was dumber than anything else he’s ever said, which is quite the accomplishment

What a fucking moron

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sagehen  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:27:39pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thread.

Read it now.

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So did the girls find their dog? He doesn’t say. Stonekettle, finish the story!!

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:28:05pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:28:22pm

re: #142 Myron Falwell

Hewitt is the most pompous, infinitely stupid person alive.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:28:33pm

Thread. ICE continues to give itself reasons why they should be shut down and the offices fumigated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:30:46pm

re: #143 sagehen

So did the girls find their dog? He doesn’t say. Stonekettle, finish the story!!

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:30:54pm

re: #137 Myron Falwell

The only reason I can think of that would make Republicans okay with a declaration is that they believe the Courts would strike it down, and that would further weaken Trump’s presidency. They get to distance themselves from (a weakened) Trump without having to do the dirty work themselves.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:31:29pm

re: #145 Ace Rothstein

The most pompous, infinitely stupid person alive.

You really have to work hard to be as fucking stupid as Hugh Hewitt is, he makes it so easy.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:34:23pm

re: #145 Ace Rothstein

Hewitt is the most pompous, infinitely stupid person alive.

MSNBC thinks they hired him to have a thinking conservative voice but they only have the voice of a moron who is smug and thinks he is smart.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:36:36pm

Thread about the Gestapo operating in the Fascist States of America.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:36:40pm

re: #141 TedStriker

In the words of Ian Fleming, “Why should I waste my days trying to make them more?”

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fern01  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:37:04pm

re: #150 bd(it’s all true)

MSNBC thinks they hired him to have a thinking conservative voice but they only have the voice of a moron who is smug and thinks he is smart.

They have Todd and Matthews and Ole’ Joe (the latter will return to normal as soon as trump calls him one of the good guys - or trump is impeached, whichever comes first). Why they have to employ lying, smirking fools is weird.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:38:27pm

re: #149 Myron Falwell

You really have to work hard to be as fucking stupid as Hugh Hewitt is, he makes it so easy.

A decade an a half ago, when in law school, I had a few friends who used to joke that if Hewitt was saying something was going to happen, you knew the opposite was true. It was almost like Always Wrong Bill Kristol. For fuck’s sake, he wrote a book called Painting the Map Red - before the 2006 mid-terms. You just have to remember, he’s from northern Ohio, so he roots for Cleveland sports teams, and I think deep down, his approach to politics is quite similar to a sports’ fan’s approach to rooting for his team. For good or ill, this is my team, and I’m going to defend whatever they do because they’re my team.

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jeffreyw  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:38:32pm

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

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LauraIsABerner responded with a link to Bernie’s Senate webpage, as if that somehow “proves” he has more “accomplishments” than any other professional politician, like NANCY PELOSI.

Bernie kind of reminds me of Ol’ Yeller. Nice dog and all but he went from good to rabid - skipping the heroic part in between.

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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:40:16pm

re: #145 Ace Rothstein

Hewitt is the most pompous, infinitely stupid person alive.

And he seems to becoming more so.

He always has an out that will give Trump the turn that will make a popular and great president.

No Hugh, it is not going to happen no matter how hard you suck.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:41:43pm

re: #142 Myron Falwell

I totally missed that Hewitt said something this morning that was dumber than anything else he’s ever said, which is quite the accomplishment

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What a fucking moron

It will bring us together protesting against another bloody evil, imperialist war.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:42:13pm

re: #146 Myron Falwell

Thread. ICE continues to give itself reasons why they should be shut down and the offices fumigated.

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Beat me to it.

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sizzzzlerz  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:44:30pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

OT I am taking a break from this insanity by watching Bob Ross on the local PBS station. His paintwork and voice are very relaxing.

Revel in the happy clouds and trees and remember to beat the devil out of that brush.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:46:29pm

Really fucked up to see that people still acting like Terry is somehow less of a man because he didn’t throw his freedom and career away. Especially considering that the real demonstration of strength is how he had the courage to come forward with his story knowing this is how many of his peers would react.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:47:00pm

What a moronic idea to begin with created by the moron Kasich:

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:47:51pm

re: #161 bd(it’s all true)

What a moronic idea to begin with created by the moron Kasich:

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Sticking up for Planned Parenthood out loud and definitive, Dems didn’t used to do that so much…

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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:50:42pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Hm.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:51:18pm

re: #154 KGxvi

A decade an a half ago, when in law school, I had a few friends who used to joke that if Hewitt was saying something was going to happen, you knew the opposite was true. It was almost like Always Wrong Bill Kristol. For fuck’s sake, he wrote a book called Painting the Map Red - before the 2006 mid-terms. You just have to remember, he’s from northern Ohio, so he roots for Cleveland sports teams, and I think deep down, his approach to politics is quite similar to a sports’ fan’s approach to rooting for his team. For good or ill, this is my team, and I’m going to defend whatever they do because they’re my team.

I’m from Northern Ohio too, and this really is 100% accurate.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:51:42pm

re: #162 bd(it’s all true)

Sticking up for Planned Parenthood out loud and definitive, Dems didn’t used to do that so much…

A generation of Democrats that are willing and able to be true to themselves and have the courage of their convictions is going to confuse a lot of people.

As for the whole idea of a unity ticket… those will never work in our system. The office of the Vice President is simply too weak, and all executive power ultimately flows from the office of the President.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:52:34pm

re: #149 Myron Falwell

You really have to work hard to be as fucking stupid as Hugh Hewitt is, he makes it so easy.

Just a reminder of what an asshole Hugh Hewitt is.

When he was a commentator on KCET here in Los Angeles, he came into the Sizzler Steakhouse on 4th/Vermont right after I sat down to start on my salad bar. He and his flunky sit down at a table, and they go to the salad bar. Before he sticks the fork in and starts munching, he and his flunky bow their heads and Hewitt starts praying in a very loud voice about how much he loves Jay-Zuss and he’s blessing and sanctifying his veggies in the name of Jesus

The motherfather wouldn’t stop. People looked at him and they started telling him to STFU. Hewitt wouldn’t stop. He kept bullshitting to JC. All this did was piss off people more and more and they kept yelling at him.

It was glorious!

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:56:39pm

re: #166 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s kind of surprising. At Chapman Law, he was also quite charming in person. Even my more liberal classmates that took his con law class (or as it was commonly known on campus “show prep”) seemed to like him on a personal level. I didn’t have a whole lot of interactions with him, but he generally seemed like a nice person, even if he was always on board with whatever stupidity GW Bush was pushing at the moment.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:57:44pm

Tariq is pure trash.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:58:24pm

re: #117 ipsos

I suspect it was actually CBP, not ICE, doing the harassing in this case. They’re commonly seen (albeit in marked cars) at the train and bus stations here in western NY… that whole asinine rule that gives them search powers within 100 miles of the border.

Yeah, I see their cars and vans here on and around I-80 quite a bit. They like to pull off and congregate on the I-80/376 interchange cloverleaf.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 3:59:15pm

re: #165 KGxvi

A generation of Democrats that are willing and able to be true to themselves and have the courage of their convictions is going to confuse a lot of people

It is going to take some getting used to. Coming from being ashamed to use the word liberal to proudly crowing about good progressive ideas? That’s a huge feat.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:03:35pm

re: #170 bd(it’s all true)

It is going to take some getting used to. Coming from being ashamed to use the word liberal to proudly crowing about good progressive ideas? That’s a huge feat.

I think it helps having a generation that didn’t experience the backlash against the Civil Rights Act.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:06:37pm

Looks like there will soon be another North Carolina vacancy in the House.

Rep. Walter Jones has been placed in hospice care.

Sad because he was one of the good ones who turned on Dumbya.

witn.com

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:08:50pm

re: #171 Belafon

I think it helps having a generation that didn’t experience the backlash against the Civil Rights Act.

The other thing, I think, that helps is that the Democrats seem to be the party of optimism now. And in America, optimism wins. Trump and the GOP has no optimism, they just have fear. They’ve gone a long way from Nixon’s “there’s no other time or other place I’d rather live” and Reagan’s shining city on a hill.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:09:01pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:12:12pm

They get dumber every year.

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mmmirele  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:19:41pm

re: #175 Single-handed sailor

That’s really true, btw. Kelli Ward really did try to get McCain to resign so that Ducey could appoint her to McCain’s seat. Martha McSally is too conservative for my tastes, but she’s certainly no Kelli Ward. The Arizona GOP can go to hell, with her as their leader.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:20:57pm

re: #165 KGxvi

A generation of Democrats that are willing and able to be true to themselves and have the courage of their convictions is going to confuse a lot of people.

re: #171 Belafon

I think it helps having a generation that didn’t experience the backlash against the Civil Rights Act.

The best argument I saw recently, and it’s a shame I can’t find the tweet, is that one major reason AOC and her generation of Democrats are so effective is that they’ve never experienced the Republican Party as anything other than cartoonish villains acting in exceedingly bad faith. Therefore they aren’t hampered by any illusion that they’re arguing over honest differences of opinion with people who also have our country’s best interests at heart.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:21:32pm

re: #175 Single-handed sailor

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They get dumber every year.

No wonder why the rest of his family hates him.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:26:11pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

The best argument I saw recently, and it’s a shame I can’t find the tweet, is that one major reason AOC and her generation of Democrats are so effective is that they’ve never experienced the Republican Party as anything other than cartoonish villains acting in exceedingly bad faith. Therefore they aren’t hampered by any illusion that they’re arguing over honest differences of opinion with people who also have our country’s best interests at heart.

That’s a good observation. They’ve never known an America without Rush Limbaugh or FoxNews……shudder……

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:28:53pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:29:16pm
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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:32:09pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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We could come together by telling you to buzz off, that’s a lot more of a nicer unifier than going to war with Venezuela.

I’ve had it with bothsiderists

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:34:13pm

heh,the similarities never end….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:35:07pm
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plansbandc  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:36:53pm

Schultz is on twitter tweeting about sharing our truth. I shared mine by blocking his ass.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:37:12pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

What is Schultz’s base?

Given the energy and, thus far, quality of the Democratic candidates, I don’t see him drawing much support from Democrats.

So, is it disaffected Republicans? If they’re not inclined to vote for Trump or a Democrat, them voting for an independent/third party candidate isn’t necessarily going to change the calculus. Where that could hurt Democrats is in down ballot races, where disaffected Republicans would be inclined to vote for Republicans in Congress while voting for a third party candidate.

Also, we just tried a “business” “executive” with no real world political experience… and it hasn’t worked out well. What makes him think voters will be on board with that again?

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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:39:25pm

re: #186 KGxvi

What is Schultz’s base?

Given the energy and, thus far, quality of the Democratic candidates, I don’t see him drawing much support from Democrats.

So, is it disaffected Republicans? If they’re not inclined to vote for Trump or a Democrat, them voting for an independent/third party candidate isn’t necessarily going to change the calculus. Where that could hurt Democrats is in down ballot races, where disaffected Republicans would be inclined to vote for Republicans in Congress while voting for a third party candidate.

Also, we just tried a “business” “executive” with no real world political experience… and it hasn’t worked out well. What makes him think voters will be on board with that again?

Way too many pundits seem to think he’s gonna leach from the Democratic side.

Um, they forgot 2018 and the blue wave? And the hot topics now for Dems are M4A and wealth inequality? And they really think a rightish billionaire CEO is gonna sap votes from the DEMS?????

Morons.

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Interesting Times  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:43:35pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

The best argument I saw recently, and it’s a shame I can’t find the tweet, is that one major reason AOC and her generation of Democrats are so effective is that they’ve never experienced the Republican Party as anything other than cartoonish villains acting in exceedingly bad faith. Therefore they aren’t hampered by any illusion that they’re arguing over honest differences of opinion with people who also have our country’s best interests at heart.

This one?

(hint: I found it by searching the LGF Media Library for the words “bad faith”)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:46:17pm

There is just no fucking way this asshole can handle all the smoke coming his way.

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freetoken  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:46:22pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:46:49pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

This one?

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(hint: I found it by searching the LGF Media Library for the words “bad faith”)

Thanks!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:50:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:51:14pm
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:53:39pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

As CEO, he’s probably not specifically bound by the non-disclosures, the corporation is; but he does have an ongoing responsibility to the corporation to abide by the non-disclosure agreements. And as a former CEO, he couldn’t do that without the new CEO and/or board of directors signing off. Then there’s the issue of the corporate employee who was actually responsible for committing the sexual harassment, and their (for lack of a better term) right to have the settlements remain private.

That’s a very long way of saying he won’t because he can’t.

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freetoken  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:54:23pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:54:47pm

Best analogy I can think of on the fly.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:54:50pm

deleted

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:55:55pm

re: #197 bd(it’s all true)

hahahahahahahttps://twitter.com

try that again

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:58:00pm

re: #195 freetoken

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Tom just won’t go away….

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:59:08pm

re: #198 bd(it’s all true)

I like the comment that says Trump was born on third base and thinks he scored a touchdown.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 4:59:38pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:00:06pm

By the way, I’ve met Hugh Hewitt, and he’s exactly that pompous in person too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:00:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:08:11pm

Never mind, Tweet was deleted.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:10:28pm

re: #185 plansbandc

Schultz is on twitter tweeting about sharing our truth. I shared mine by blocking his ass.

I’m going to Dunkin Donuts instead.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:10:41pm

re: #194 KGxvi

As CEO, he’s probably not specifically bound by the non-disclosures, the corporation is; but he does have an ongoing responsibility to the corporation to abide by the non-disclosure agreements. And as a former CEO, he couldn’t do that without the new CEO and/or board of directors signing off. Then there’s the issue of the corporate employee who was actually responsible for committing the sexual harassment, and their (for lack of a better term) right to have the settlements remain private.

That’s a very long way of saying he won’t because he can’t.

I know, but Starbucks’ legal department still better lock that shit down hard ‘cuz everyone there can’t be reliably trusted not to leak over this. The current BoD and stockholders simply can’t be happy with all the negative attention and boycotts this irresponsible vanity stunt is going to bring.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:10:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:12:56pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

By the way, I’ve met Hugh Hewitt, and he’s exactly that pompous in person too.

My condolences.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:15:02pm

The Russian bots are ON IT!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:16:45pm

I just have two words: Tim Horton’s

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:20:42pm

re: #209 goddamnedfrank

The Russian bots are ON IT!

Well, that tears it: Howard Schultz is officially working to make sure that Trump, or a friendly pro-Russian Trump-like thing, is the next President of the United States.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:20:58pm

re: #195 freetoken

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As I said downstairs, I wonder what language Melanoma speaks to her immigrant parents?

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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:20:59pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

I just have two words: Tim Horton’s

Not really an option for those who live south of the metro areas around the Great Lakes.

Correction: they apparently have more US locations than I thought, but their southernmost location appears to be in Ashland, KY.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:22:07pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:22:52pm

re: #213 TedStriker

Not really an option for those who live south of the metro areas around the Great Lakes.

Dunkin’ Donuts for you.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:23:32pm

re: #205 Myron Falwell

I’m going to Dunkin Donuts instead.

McDonald’s coffee is as good and cheaper also.

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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:24:37pm

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

Dunkin’ Donuts for you.

I don’t do coffee, but, as far as donuts, I’ve never been a DD fan; I’ll do some hot glazed Krispy Kremes all day though.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:25:25pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

I just have two words: Tim Horton’s

Tim Horton’s never expanded into the Cleveland market, which is baffling as hell as Dublin-based Wendy’s owned the chain 20 years ago.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:25:49pm

re: #213 TedStriker

Not really an option for those who live south of the metro areas around the Great Lakes.

They just closed the Horton’s in the next town over and opened a Popeye’s chicken. I like Popeye’s red beans and rice, so I am good with it.

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:26:06pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:26:21pm

Zedushka & I don’t eat fast food but we do drink coffee, and we have rated all the coffee places along our various road trips.

1. WaWa
2. Tim Horton
3. Dunkin’ Donuts
4. Random gas station
5. Every other coffee place
6. Startuchas
7. Keurig machine in Holiday Inn hotel room

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:29:13pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

I just have two words: Tim Horton’s

OMG yasss!

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:31:04pm

re: #221 The Vicious Babushka

“We do it just a little bit better at WaWa.” is music to the ears of anyone who has been to Pennsylvania.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:31:45pm

There used to be a nice Mom and Pop chain in Los Angeles called EuroCoffee that specialized in high grade Arabica and Peaberry coffees. Only place where you could get pure Kona, Jamaica Blue Mountain and Puerto Rico Peaberry beans.

There were only 4 of their shops. So Starbucks came in and flooded the city with stores and put them right next to EuroCoffee shops and cut prices.

They forced EuroCoffee out of business.

It was nice when the Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf stores entered the Los Angeles market. They managed to knock out a couple Starbucks.

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TedStriker  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:32:27pm

re: #219 Eventual Carrion

They just closed the Horton’s in the next town over and opened a Popeye’s chicken. I like Popeye’s red beans and rice, so I am good with it.

Popeye’s, when the store crew is doing their jobs and it’s fresh, is on point; there’s few things better, fast food-wise

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:35:31pm

re: #224 Joe Bacon 🌹

There used to be a nice Mom and Pop chain in Los Angeles called EuroCoffee that specialized in high grade Arabica and Peaberry coffees. Only place where you could get pure Kona, Jamaica Blue Mountain and Puerto Rico Peaberry beans.

There were only 4 of their shops. So Starbucks came in and flooded the city with stores and put them right next to EuroCoffee shops and cut prices.

They forced EuroCoffee out of business.

It was nice when the Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf stores entered the Los Angeles market. They managed to knock out a couple Starbucks.

I remember EuroCoffee. They were awesome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:36:05pm
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:37:21pm

re: #201 Joe Bacon 🌹

Anderson didn’t cost Carter in 1980. Reagan won a majority of the popular vote, and had a majority in enough states to give him 247 electoral votes. If you count states where he had a 49%+ plurality he was at 346 electoral votes.

Stein didn’t cost Clinton in 2016 either, yes, Stein’s vote totals in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania was more than the difference between Clinton and Trump. But in all three of those states, Johnson won more than twice Stein’s votes - and those most likely would have gone mostly to the Republican nominee if Johnson wasn’t in the race.

2000 in Florida was such a clusterfuck, you can blame Nader, you can blame the Palm Beach butterfly ballot and the unusual votes for Buchanan, you can also blame Gore’s GOTV efforts in Florida, or you can even blame the fact that Gore couldn’t carry his home state of Tennessee.

But the truth is, in most scenarios, a third party nominee doesn’t really play spoiler.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:38:36pm
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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:40:04pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

I remember EuroCoffee. They were awesome.

They’re apparently still alive online.

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nowherenorth2  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:40:58pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

I grew up with Tim Hortons. Where I live is a border crossing. Which leads to two things I was going to mention.
1. We recently got Tim Hortons back in our area about 5 years ago as the akwasasne mohawk business venture brought them back. They were here in the local mall before closing down the store. The border crossing is 10 mins away and about 5 mins to cross.

2. The conversations about ice and border patrol. I live on the st. Lawrence river where the Eisenhower locks are. The village I live in is small. There are town cops, county sheriff’s, state troopers, ICE, Homeland security, and border patrol, not to mention that the biggest job here is being a c.o. it is ridiculous the amount of police state the area is. I have been stopped multiple times on my way to work just to be asked if I am a US citizen.
Goddamn ridiculous. The amount of power they wild here. And some one mentioned earlier be honest to the cops while the cops lie to you. That is the most honest statement I have read in a while.

Sorry for the rant.
Love Tim hortons

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:41:20pm

If you thought today was fun. Tomorrow’s Monday

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:41:52pm

re: #228 KGxvi

Anderson didn’t cost Carter in 1980. Reagan won a majority of the popular vote, and had a majority in enough states to give him 247 electoral votes. If you count states where he had a 49%+ plurality he was at 346 electoral votes.

Stein didn’t cost Clinton in 2016 either, yes, Stein’s vote totals in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania was more than the difference between Clinton and Trump. But in all three of those states, Johnson won more than twice Stein’s votes - and those most likely would have gone mostly to the Republican nominee if Johnson wasn’t in the race.

2000 in Florida was such a clusterfuck, you can blame Nader, you can blame the Palm Beach butterfly ballot and the unusual votes for Buchanan, you can also blame Gore’s GOTV efforts in Florida, or you can even blame the fact that Gore couldn’t carry his home state of Tennessee.

But the truth is, in most scenarios, a third party nominee doesn’t really play spoiler.

I think that analysis is a bit too pat. What third party candidates with no realistic shot at winning do feed is a sense of false equivalence and disillusionment that it is logical to assume has effects beyond their own raw vote totals, and extends into the numbers of people who decide not to vote at all.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:42:47pm

re: #232 Dave In Austin

If you thought today was fun. Tomorrow’s Monday

Time for yet another exciting infrastructure week!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:45:50pm

Are we looking at a hipster coffee shop behind every corner taco truck?

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stpaulbear  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:45:58pm

re: #232 Dave In Austin

If you thought today was fun. Tomorrow’s Monday

We’re supposed to get 5” of snow overnight and then temps of -24 on Tuesday and Wednesday night. I’m not looking forward to this week.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:46:01pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:47:19pm

re: #236 stpaulbear

We’re supposed to get 5” of snow overnight and then temps of -24 on Tuesday and Wednesday night. I’m not looking forward to this week.

Bless you….. 70’s down this way. I may have to fish.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:47:33pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

I think that analysis is a bit too pat. What third parties do feed is a sense of false equivalence and disillusionment that it is logical to assume has effects beyond their own raw vote totals, and extends into the numbers of people who decide not to vote at all.

Most third party candidates get almost no attention. Stein was basically ignored in the MSM. Johnson got some attention because he was an actual real life governor, but even his coverage faded the closer we got to election day. The only third party candidate that got substantial coverage was Perot, and every analysis of 1992 suggests that he drew evenly from both Clinton and Bush.

I think the people that tend to vote for third party nominees are simply not inclined to vote for the major party nominees. And I say this as someone who has voted third party in the past. My hunch is that most of their voters would simply not vote. It’s sort of like Nevada where they have a “none of these” option on the ballot that tends to get about 3-5% of the vote every election.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:48:01pm

A “centrist independent minded businessman.” I remember this guy was his name was Perot.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:48:16pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

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He came highly recommended from Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:49:27pm

re: #236 stpaulbear

We’re supposed to get 5” of overnight and then temps of -24 on Tuesday and Wednesday night. I’m not looking forward to this week.

ouch

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:50:10pm

re: #230 KGxvi

They’re apparently still alive online.

Unfortunately not. The Shop link leads to an error page.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:51:33pm

re: #236 stpaulbear

We’re supposed to get 5” of snow overnight and then temps of -24 on Tuesday and Wednesday night. I’m not looking forward to this week.

Yup. Snow is coming down pretty thick right now. You didn’t mention to them that the high temp on Wednesday is still in the double digits below 0.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:52:29pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately not. The Shop link leads to an error page.

Last update was in 2008. Yeah, they dead.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:52:48pm

I think of the dems run a good candidate, Schultz will be a big zero. He has no base. None.

Hint: Bernie is not a good candidate,

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:54:02pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:57:59pm

re: #246 I Would Prefer Not To

I think of the dems run a good candidate, Schultz will be a big zero. He has no base. None.

Hint: Bernie is not a good candidate,

But Bernie would have beaten the Trump-thing!!!1!111*

* = Hillary technically beat the Trump-thing, AND she beat Bernie fair and square, but let’s not quibble over facts.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 5:59:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:00:12pm

I’m glad most people are telling Schultz off. I don’t dislike his coffee though given the choice I always choose a Mom and Pop place since I like supporting small business but enough of these businessmen.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:00:29pm

re: #246 I Would Prefer Not To

I think of the dems run a good candidate, Schultz will be a big zero. He has no base. None.

Hint: Bernie is not a good candidate,

Yeah I don’t see who he’s going to appeal to.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:00:31pm

LOL…. I’ve been saying that for years.

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William Lewis  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:03:19pm

re: #244 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. Snow is coming down pretty thick right now. You didn’t mention to them that the high temp on Wednesday is still in the double digits below 0.

Yuk. Sounds like we won’t get missed then either. The temps will really suck badly.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:03:37pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t see who he’s going to appeal to.

Russians.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:10:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:14:55pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

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Quite the opposite me, I oppose Bernie because I am a liberal. I don’t want our standard bearer to be a man that has a terrible record standing up for immigrants when we’re dealing with the most xenophobic President since Woodrow Wilson. And I genuinely question how effective a President Sanders would be and who he would surround himself with. Bernie fans are going to be shocked when the most liberal electorate the Democratic Party has ever seen rejects Bernie but it will happen.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:15:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:15:46pm

re: #244 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. Snow is coming down pretty thick right now. You didn’t mention to them that the high temp on Wednesday is still in the double digits below 0.

My Mom was talking about that. Man talk about bitter cold. It doesn’t get below 0 here that often but I remember when it did, it was brutal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:16:27pm

re: #257 Charles Johnson

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And you don’t support ignoring other problems too. That’s something that happens with the Berner crowd. Racial, gender, etc concerns have to be overlooked so the “revolution” can happen.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:17:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:18:48pm

re: #260 Dave In Austin

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Yet you didn’t when defense spending was considerably bigger than any other country.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:21:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:22:34pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Well, except for the asshole bald ones.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:23:20pm

What I expect from Schultz is that he’ll run on a platform saying that we should trust more businesses to be like his. And while I admire him for paying for education and other benefits, I know businesses are not going to do that stuff.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:24:15pm

Hoarse is getting started…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:24:41pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:24:54pm

I wonder how Schultz is going to pull that off if he gets elected and everything he wants to do is blocked by Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:27:34pm

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

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Really rich people are weird.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:27:59pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

My Mom was talking about that. Man talk about bitter cold. It doesn’t get below 0 here that often but I remember when it did, it was brutal.

Par for the course up here, but I had to laugh - a high school friend of mine was telling me that some of the people in his office said that winters in Northwest Indiana are as brutal as the winters up here. We might have gotten some pretty deep snows thanks to Lake Michigan, but on the few occasions it got down to -20 degrees F, everything stopped.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:28:05pm

re: #267 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wonder how Schultz is going to pull that off if he gets elected and everything he wants to do is blocked by Republicans.

Business guy magic.

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danarchy  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:29:03pm

re: #264 Belafon

What I expect from Schultz is that he’ll run on a platform saying that we should trust more businesses to be like his. And while I admire him for paying for education and other benefits, I know businesses are not going to do that stuff.

What I expect from Schultz is for him to use this to get free publicity for his book tour and then suspends his campaign before it costs him any real money because he knows he doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:29:12pm

re: #269 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Par for the course up here, but I had to laugh - a high school friend of mine was telling me that some of the people in his office said that winters in Northwest Indiana are as brutal as the winters up here. We might have gotten some pretty deep snows thanks to Lake Michigan, but on the few occasions it got down to -20 degrees F, everything stopped.

I’m trying to think the coldest I’ve ever been. I’m not made for real cold weather I’m afraid.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:29:37pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Really rich people are weird.

The old bit about the difference between being crazy and be eccentric is a few million dollars.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:31:19pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to think the coldest I’ve ever been. I’m not made for real cold weather I’m afraid.

One day I had to get up and deliver newspapers during a January blizzard where the temperature was -20. I was bundled up and had two face masks and double gloves on. Only exposed part of my face was my eyes.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:32:00pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to think the coldest I’ve ever been. I’m not made for real cold weather I’m afraid.

I don’t think I’ve been in weather much colder than the high teens Fahrenheit (maybe a Vegas New Years?). But being born and raised in southern California “cold” for me is the low 50s.

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MsJ  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:32:30pm

re: #260 Dave In Austin

So this guy isn’t for anything democratic… Why do people think he’ll pull cord from Dems?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:33:00pm

re: #260 Dave In Austin

“When I hear ppl espousing free govt-paid college, free govt-paid health care and a free govt job for everyone … the question is, how are we paying for all this and not bankrupting the country?”
Former Starbucks Chief Preparing for an Indie 2020 Run

Tuition costs at public universities like the one Galileo taught run 850—1000 Euros per year. Merit-based subsidies help out.

The US can afford to teach all its talented kids.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:33:18pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to think the coldest I’ve ever been. I’m not made for real cold weather I’m afraid.

Fun science demo: When it gets down to -20 degrees F or so, take a pot, boil some water on the stove, then take the boiling water and throw it into the air outside. It makes snow!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:35:19pm

re: #278 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Fun science demo: When it gets down to -20 degrees F or so, take a pot, boil some water on the stove, then take the boiling water and throw it into the air outside. It makes snow!

Mr. Wizard did that on one of his shows.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:35:48pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

Forgot the link:
educations.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:37:17pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

I’m glad most people are telling Schultz off. I don’t dislike his coffee though given the choice I always choose a Mom and Pop place since I like supporting small business but enough of these businessmen.

I’ve lived here in the Seattle area all my life, and it seems like every big company based here is just uniquely sociopathic even for big business. Boeing, Microsoft, PACCAR…. Now the original Starbucks, under the original owners, was a good company, but as soon as they sold out to these big business types, there you go—same thing.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:40:03pm

re: #279 Joe Bacon 🌹

Make sure you throw it properly or you can end up with hot water on you.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:40:18pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

Tuition costs at public universities like the one Galileo taught run 850—1000 Euros per year. Merit-based subsidies help out.

The US can afford to teach all its talented kids.

Undergraduate tuition at Cal State Long Beach is $3,399 per semester. That doesn’t include books or housing. The problem is that Long Beach State (along with half of the CSU system) is impacted, meaning they get more qualified applicants each year than they can admit (when I was there 20 years ago, about a third of the majors were impacted and required department approval). We need more universities, but I don’t know if the state budget could handle building three or four more universities.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:41:11pm

re: #244 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yup. Snow is coming down pretty thick right now. You didn’t mention to them that the high temp on Wednesday is still in the double digits below 0.

My old factory manager grew up at the very beginning of the Mississippi River in MN. He said the coldest winter of his life was spent at submarine training in WI in January 1942. Imagine 500 tons of steel immersed in ice water.

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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:41:50pm

I don’t even like coffee.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:43:40pm

re: #282 Belafon

Make sure you throw it properly or you can end up with hot water on you.

Wish I could find the clip of Don “Mr. Wizard” Herbert doing that on You Tube…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:44:11pm

re: #284 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

My old factory manager grew up at the very beginning of the Mississippi River in MN. He said the coldest winter of his life was spent at submarine training in WI in January 1942. Imagine 500 tons of steel immersed in ice water.

Had a friend of mine who used to be in the Army. He told me about a winter he spent on a base further north that was so cold, all of their trucks and cars on base froze up their cooling systems… All, that is, except for a little air-cooled VW Beetle.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:44:33pm

re: #284 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

To follow up he was saved by the fickle finger of fate. In early 1943 his sub rendezvoused with a tender in the South Pacific. He was ordered off his sub and onto the one on the other side of the ship. The first sub never came back

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:46:15pm

re: #287 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We had a VW bus when I was a kid. The big problem with an air cooled motor is that there is no heat. If had red levers but we think they were just for show

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:46:43pm

There’s essentially no difference between the in-state tuition at UNH and many private universities.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:50:08pm

re: #283 KGxvi

Undergraduate tuition at Cal State Long Beach is $3,399 per semester. That doesn’t include books or housing. The problem is that Long Beach State (along with half of the CSU system) is impacted, meaning they get more qualified applicants each year than they can admit (when I was there 20 years ago, about a third of the majors were impacted and required department approval). We need more universities, but I don’t know if the state budget could handle building three or four more universities.

When I started at Pitt, Undergraduate tuition was $450 a trimester and the board charge was also $450. Total was $1,800 for the year since people mainly went two trimesters per year. Add average $200 for books.

Now…Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster!

For the year…

In-State tuition is $19,080 and board is $10,950, book average is $773 and “other expenses” $2,447.

No way I would be able to go to college if I was 17 and just graduated high school…

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:50:15pm

Coffee…… I’ve been a home roaster for 20 some yrs. It’s hard to find a small batch roaster anymore.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:52:04pm

Wife and I were part of a supporting claque that went to listen to a family friend defend his Master’s thesis. It was held in one of Galileo’s classrooms.

Outside things got weird, him standing on a granite block in the University street with a codfish sticking out of his underwear. While his classmates taunted him, and his mother stood by beaming, he recited a long obscene history of his college career in verses prepared by his friends. There was some anointing with canned corn, then we all went to eat.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:52:40pm

re: #289 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We had a VW bus when I was a kid. The big problem with an air cooled motor is that there is no heat. If had red levers but we think they were just for show

There must have been something wrong with your ductwork. I’ve had a bus (well, Campmobile), a Squareback, and two 412 wagons, and the heaters on all of them would roast your eyeballs.

The 412s had gas heaters that were supposed to start heating you up until the heat from the engine took over, but they never worked that I was able to observe.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:52:57pm
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danarchy  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:53:26pm

re: #290 Barefoot Grin

There’s essentially no difference between the in-state tuition at UNH and many private universities.

I was looking at some of the in state tuitions in MA out of curiosity and I saw Worcester State was inder $1000/year. Then underneath that fees were listed and there was a “General Fee” that was like $8400/year.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:54:19pm

re: #266 The Vicious Babushka

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MsJ  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:57:23pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

I don’t even like coffee.

Duuuuuuude. What?

That’s blasphemy.

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KGxvi  Jan 27, 2019 • 6:58:45pm

re: #291 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I started at Pitt, Undergraduate tuition was $450 a trimester and the board charge was also $450. Total was $1,800 for the year since people mainly went two trimesters per year. Add average $200 for books.

Now…Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster!

For the year…

In-State tuition is $19,080 and board is $10,950, book average is $773 and “other expenses” $2,447.

No way I would be able to go to college if I was 17 and just graduated high school…

I lucked out, when I was in college (96-00), we had the dotcom bubble and California was cutting tuition every semester. I think my freshman year it was about $1,500 a semester, by my senior year it was less than $900 a semester. Delivering pizzas in Orange County was enough to cover tuition and books.

At the UC schools now, apparently tuition is over $16k a year. Private schools like Chapman or USC are in the $50-70k per year range. And neither of those include books or housing.

At about $7000 a year, I could probably figure out a way to make it work. There’d be financial aid and a job like I had back then. But, I think I could pull it off.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:00:42pm
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calochortus  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:01:28pm

re: #299 KGxvi

I am sooooo glad my kids got through their respective UCs before the tuition got up near where it is now. It’s obscene. We need to educate kids, and I’m quite willing to spend my tax dollars on it.

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Jay C  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:01:50pm

re: #289 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

We had a VW bus when I was a kid. The big problem with an air cooled motor is that there is no heat. If had red levers but we think they were just for show

Probably an artifact of the heat ducts on a VW bus being so far from the heat source: I recall when I had a Beetle (back in the Paleolithic) yanking the red lever all the way up led to a few wafts of hot air eventually drifting up around your feet and warming the periphery of the windshield. And that was maybe 8-10 feet. Good thing I lived in SoCal…

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ObserverArt  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:02:34pm

re: #298 MsJ

Duuuuuuude. What?

That’s blasphemy.

Well, that was meant more in the spirit of I am not voting for any coffee guy. But no, I have never been a fan of coffee. I drink tea, but not all the time.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:02:41pm

re: #301 calochortus

I am sooooo glad my kids got through their respective UCs before the tuition got up near where it is now. It’s obscene. We need to educate kids, and I’m quite willing to spend my tax dollars on it.

You’re willing to spend your money on other kids, and so many are too blind to see any benefit in that.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:03:31pm

re: #299 KGxvi

I lucked out, when I was in college (96-00), we had the dotcom bubble and California was cutting tuition every semester. I think my freshman year it was about $1,500 a semester, by my senior year it was less than $900 a semester. Delivering pizzas in Orange County was enough to cover tuition and books.

At the UC schools now, apparently tuition is over $16k a year. Private schools like Chapman or USC are in the $50-70k per year range. And neither of those include books or housing.

At about $7000 a year, I could probably figure out a way to make it work. There’d be financial aid and a job like I had back then. But, I think I could pull it off.

Before Reagan was governor, and wrecked the system, much of CA education was free or near it. CCNY was free. I was able to cover almost all costs at UofLouisville on the GI Bill. We are screwing our kids and making education the realm of the rich and the debt-slaves.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:03:37pm

re: #298 MsJ

Duuuuuuude. What?

That’s blasphemy.

Coffee is like beer and red wine, all flavors of bitter, more bitter, and wow, that’s bitter.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:09:36pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:09:39pm

re: #306 Belafon

Coffee is like beer and red wine, all flavors of bitter, more bitter, and wow, that’s bitter.

“Bitter” isn’t a pejorative term in coffee-tasting parlance—some are more bitter, some are less—what most people call “bitter”, tasters call “sour”, and it’s an artifact of not being roasted long enough so that a lot of the green vegetation flavor remains. This is the main problem with grocery-store coffee—in order to roast it as much as it should be without burning it, you have to pay attention, and they can’t afford to do that, so you wind up with half-green, sour, “cinnamon roast”.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:11:25pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

Before Reagan was governor, and wrecked the system, much of CA education was free or near it. CCNY was free. I was able to cover almost all costs at UofLouisville on the GI Bill. We are screwing our kids and making education the realm of the rich and debt-slaves.

After he retired, my dad was seriously contemplating going to back to CCNY to finish the degree he had to abandon back during the Depression. He didn’t get around to it, because of health issues, though. I think he said they still had his transcript on file after 40+ years.

I liked being a student. If I could decide now what I’d like to study, I’d consider going back to school — if I could afford it.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:12:18pm

re: #308 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m overly sensitive to bitter, which means I can barely get any of those things down. It’s just me.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:13:35pm

re: #309 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

After he retired, my dad was seriously contemplating going to back to CCNY to finish the degree he had to abandon back during the Depression. He didn’t get around to it, because of health issues, though. I think he said they still had his transcript on file after 40+ years.

I liked being a student. If I could decide now what I’d like to study, I’d consider going back to school — if I could afford it.

I’ve always wanted to be a professional student. I would even teach at college as a side-gig. My oldest son is getting to do that.

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calochortus  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:14:47pm

re: #304 Belafon

You’re willing to spend your money on other kids, and so many are too blind to see any benefit in that.

Maybe we could use the money we’d save by treating drug and alcohol addiction properly to give people a better future through education.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:15:54pm

re: #309 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

After he retired, my dad was seriously contemplating going to back to CCNY to finish the degree he had to abandon back during the Depression. He didn’t get around to it, because of health issues, though. I think he said they still had his transcript on file after 40+ years.

I liked being a student. If I could decide now what I’d like to study, I’d consider going back to school — if I could afford it.

(Still harping on Italy) They have Universita per Anziani. Retirees can attend classes for free, don’t get a degree, just an education. It helps the kids to have the ancients around the schools, keeps the olds off the streets.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:17:22pm

re: #310 Belafon

I’m overly sensitive to bitter, which means I can barely get any of those things down. It’s just me.

There’s a vegetable here in China called bitter melon (kugua). It’s part of the cucumber family and yes, it is mouth puckeringly bitter. You’d hate it, for sure. I’ve managed to get used to it, but only in small quantities.

The kind I see here looks like a knobbly cucumber. Pic:
Image: Bittermelonfruit.jpg

But there are other kinds eaten all over Asia.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:27:10pm

Ha:

The diary is going over some of the results from polls taken before and after the shutdown fight. This one I thought was really interesting:

The ABC News/Washington Post poll reveals that Pelosi and Congressional Democrats were favored on illegal immigration by a 5-point margin over Trump and congressional Republicans.

Trump held a 10-point edge over congressional Democrats when voters were asked before the shutdown who they trusted more on border security. A Quinnipiac poll taken after the shutdown had congressional Democrats with a 5-point edge over Trump on border security.

And a whole lot of people learned what we knew:

Voters think that Pelosi is better than Trump at “Washington gamesmanship” by 6 points, according to the latest Fox News poll.
Put another way, the shutdown turned Trump’s strengths into weaknesses.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:36:27pm

Stone wants to talk about the gestapo, while he’s on national television. Oh. The irony.

Meanwhile, here’s the real gestapo:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:46:20pm

re: #316 GlutenFreeJesus

Stone wants to talk about the gestapo, while he’s on national television. Oh. The irony.

Meanwhile, here’s the real gestapo:

[Embedded content]

You ain’t kidding.

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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2019 • 7:49:42pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

I’m trying to think the coldest I’ve ever been. I’m not made for real cold weather I’m afraid.

15 below (F) with wind chills of 75 below. Had to suture a big 3-cornered tear on a horse’s forehead. It took most of the day, because we would thaw out about 1/4 inch of the tear, trim it to get blood flow, sew it, and then have to stop because our hands were frozen. Go in, thaw out, and do it again. Tear healed so you could hardly see the scar at all. But I will remember that day as long as I live!

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retired cynic  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:05:50pm

re: #318 retired cynic

My father said the coldest he ever was was in the panhandle of Florida during basic training going into WW2. He said the army had thrown up barracks, but since it was Florida, they hadn’t bothered to insulate them. He said the cold and the damp nearly killed him.

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:07:33pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:39:32am

re: #311 Belafon

I’ve always wanted to be a professional student. I would even teach at college as a side-gig. My oldest son is getting to do that.

I got lucky in that during my last 23 years of professional work I got to pretty much treat change in higher education as my topic, and was essentially a well paid graduate student without classes or exams, just had to learn a lot in a changing field and publish a lot of books and journals and other things.


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