The Mueller Report: Annotated and Searchable

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The Washington Post has a very informative annotated version: Read the Mueller report: The full redacted version, annotated.

But even better, here’s a searchable version, since Trump’s stooge William Barr deliberately released it in an unsearchable form.

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UPDATE at 4/18/19 11:04:04 am by Charles Johnson

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503 comments

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:38:57am

Searchable version not loading. Server down?

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:39:43am

“…In November 2016, the Russians sent spearphishing emails to more than 120 accounts used by Florida elections officials. The emails contained malicious software. The FBI believes that the GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency, was able to gain access to a network of at least one Florida county government.”

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:40:12am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Hamsters are tired.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:44:42am

re: #2 jaunte

TOTALLY VINDICATED

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:45:18am

re: #2 jaunte

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And Trump continues to say there was no interference let alone interference to benefit him. Treasonous pig.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:47:35am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

And Trump continues to say there was no interference let alone interference to benefit him. Treasonous pig.

“That part of the Mueller Report is wrong but the part that TOTALLY VINDICATES DJT is right.”

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Alephnaught  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:48:33am
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Jay C  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:50:00am

re: #6 Sir John Barron

“That part of the Mueller Report is wrong but the part that TOTALLY VINDICATES DJT is right.”

You may jest, but I’m sure a version of that statement is going to be an integral theme of the RW blogosphere in no time (probably already has).

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:52:24am

NO OBSTRUCTION…because folks wouldn’t do what Trump asked…

NO COLLUSION…because that’s not a crime. No criminal conspiracy because Trump’s family and Manafort were too stupid.

TOTAL EXONERATION…except it specifically says the opposite.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:52:40am

re: #8 Jay C

You may jest, but I’m sure a version of that statement is going to be an integral theme of the RW blogosphere in no time (probably already has).

Oh I know

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:54:13am
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Sir John Barron  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:54:59am

re: #9 Mike Lamb

NO OBSTRUCTION…because folks wouldn’t do what Trump asked…

NO COLLUSION…because that’s not a crime. No criminal conspiracy because Trump’s family and Manafort were too stupid.

TOTAL EXONERATION…except it specifically says the opposite.

Funny how Conflicted Mueller and 17 Angry Democrats issued a report that ‘totally vindicated’ Trump.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:55:01am

re: #8 Jay C

You may jest, but I’m sure a version of that statement is going to be an integral theme of the RW blogosphere in no time (probably already has).

Tactically, what Barr and Trump did to try to push out their version long before the report had to drop, made sense. They were able to pre-emptively put out a narrative to their mouth-breather Fox audience.

Strategically, the delay, and then a release with blacked-out portions just keeps dragging this story out longer and longer. And what Joe Sixpack hears is “Trump and his guy Barr keep delaying and hiding stuff. And the more we learn, the more we figure out that maybe there was something there all along…”

WIll this penetrate?

Maybe.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:55:50am

re: #11 jaunte

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We are a client state of the Russian Federation and I’m sad to say that a good chunk of the population is okay with this.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:57:41am

I’m hoping we can eventually investigate Barr and disbar him and hopefully he is never in the position to do what eh did here and after Iran-Contra ever again. For a bunch of people who raged against the Swamp, it was the Swamp that saved their precious Trump. Trump did all he could to obstruct the investigators from finding the truth about what happened. He needs to go and if he’s not impeached and removed, defeated in 2020 and then put on trial. No pardons. No nothing. Let him and his family rot in jail cells.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:57:46am

re: #9 Mike Lamb

NO COLLUSION!*

*some conditions apply

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:59:58am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

We are a client state of the Russian Federation and I’m sad to say that a good chunk of the population is okay with this.

As long as Fox tells them that it’s sucking Russian dick or being beheaded by the scary MOOSLIMS!!1! they’ll bend over for anything Putin and his puppet Trump say.

Relative of mine in upstate Wisconsin said that if Hilary had been elected, then ISIS would have been marching down the main street of his tiny town the next day, decapitated Christian heads in their hands, chanting “Allahu Akbar!”

When I asked him how they would get from Syria to Rusk county, he said that ISIS was “out there, just waiting, but now we’re safe.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:00:07am

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

NO COLLUSION!*

*some conditions apply

in the very narrowest sense of the word, he is correct, which is why he says nothing else in any detail

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:03:09am

As if they didn’t know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:04:18am

re: #19 jaunte

Putting aside the Barr macro-spin, the report is *full* of the Trump admin lying to reporters.

As if they didn’t know.

As if they fucking cared. They would rather be lied to by Trump than hear the truth from anyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:04:33am

re: #17 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

As long as Fox tells them that it’s sucking Russian dick or being beheaded by the scary MOOSLIMS!!1! they’ll bend over for anything Putin and his puppet Trump say.

Relative of mine in upstate Wisconsin said that if Hilary had been elected, then ISIS would have been marching down the main street of his tiny town the next day, decapitated Christian heads in their hands, chanting “Allahu Akbar!”

When I asked him how they would get from Syria to Rusk county, he said that ISIS was “out there, just waiting, but now we’re safe.”

Yeah they actually believe crazy shit like that. It is so fucked up. But the FNC propaganda works. It’s how they seriously believe that Trumo is responsible for an “economic miracle.” A large chunk of our population doesn’t reside in reality.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:04:39am
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Interesting Times  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:05:56am

re: #23 jaunte

I prefer this version:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:06:09am

re: #23 jaunte

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Dumb and racist usually go hand and hand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:06:38am

re: #23 jaunte

I love when the president takes a break from just being racist to remind us he’s also dumb as shit

He is being very smart in his own way when it comes to dealing with the media and his followers…he has handed them a tag line to shut down any real discussion of the Mueller Report

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:08:13am

re: #24 Interesting Times

I prefer this version:

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I like a version where they’re all found guilty and their sentences are shown on the screen and a message on the screen tells us that Putin got overthrown by his own people and sentenced to life in prison and died alone in Siberia.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:08:36am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Game Over” vs.
“I’m Fucked”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:08:59am

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is being very smart when it comes to dealing with the media and his followers…he has handed them a tag line to shut down any real discussion of the Mueller Report

Has that happened though? He’s trying to do that but I strongly disagree that he’s succeeding at that. Yeah he might be on FNC but even Chris Wallace thinks Barr acted more like his personal lawyer than the AG.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:09:25am

re: #28 jaunte

“Game Over” vs.
“I’m Fucked”

He’s fucked. Maybe not right now but he will be when he leaves office. That’s the real reason his son wants to run in 2024.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:10:30am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Too Dumb To Be Charged With A Crime 2024!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:11:27am

re: #31 jaunte

Too Dumb To Be Charged With A Crime 2024!

Pretty much.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:11:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:12:24am

re: #28 jaunte

“Game Over” vs.
“I’m Fucked”

Fucked Over

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:13:09am

I remain glass half full guys. Trump didn’t rise in the polls after Barr’s initial bullshit and he’s not going to here. I feel we can beat him. Again, my worry is about defeating Trumpism as much as Trump himself. The two are similar but not identical.Just like we defeated Hitler but it took a little more time (see De-Nazification and Nuremberg) to defeat Nazism’s hold over Germany.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:13:29am

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Has that happened though? He’s trying to do that but I strongly disagree that he’s succeeding at that. Yeah he might be on FNC but even Chris Wallace thinks Barr acted more like his personal lawyer than the AG.

Last I heard around 65% of the American public does not believe him about collusion and obstruction. I think those numbers will hold and maybe even go up with today’s Bill Barr Show.

All the spinning is doing is holding the base together as best as they can. That is all Trump has.

He has won nothing.

Politically he may be done.

It would not surprise me if there is encouragement for him not to put himself through this anymore and to not run in 2020…for the sake of what is left of the steaming pile we call the GOP.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:14:02am

I wonder if it was Trump or Barr that though that releasing an optical only version of the report would make it hard on people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:14:29am

re: #37 Belafon

I wonder if it was Trump or Barr that though that releasing an optical only version of the report would make it hard on people.

Barr. Trump ain’t that fucking smart.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:14:29am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

it brings me no pleasure to report this, but the mueller report has two spaces after every period

Disqualified!!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:15:18am

re: #36 ObserverArt

Last I heard around 65% or the American public does not believe him about collusion and obstruction. I think those numbers will hold and maybe even go up with today’s Bill Barr Show.

All the spinning is doing is holding the base together as best as they can. That is all Trump has.

He has won nothing.

Politically he may be done.

It would not surprise me if there is encouragement for him not to put himself through this anymore and to not run in 2020…for the sake of what is left of the steaming pile we call the GOP.

I agree with all except I think he wlil run for a second term. His ego won’t allow him to go out like this but I do think that the majority of the American people want him gone now and will gladly vote against him in November 2020. Will it be enough? I think so but we got 18 months and about 12-14 to find the right person.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:16:16am

Hoarse has his usual pithy take. He’s not wrong - Barr thought he was playing by Iran-Contra-era rules.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:17:20am

re: #38 Eclectic Cyborg

Barr. Trump ain’t that fucking smart.

Obviously Barr isn’t that smart, either. OCR, what be dat?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:17:21am

By defeating Trumpism, it means we make sure our base knows to vote in every election, that we don’t take our own accomplishments for granted, that we pay attention to rising hateful elements, etc. I’m not saying that we did this but I think there are people on the left who do take what Obama accomplished for granted.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:18:12am

re: #41 makeitstop

Hoarse has his usual pithy take. He’s not wrong - Barr thought he was playing by Iran-Contra-era rules.

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More like a coach :). Plus Reagan was easier to lie for than Trump. And yeah I know he was Bush I’s AG but the crimes he covered up were for Reagan and his guys.

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rhuarc  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:18:25am

I have to say after seeing many relevant sections on here and via Twitter that impeachment needs to happen. I was previously not a fan knowing that the Senate would not convict and that it would be used for political purposes. After this release, though, I don’t care if they won’t convict. Republicans in the Senate not voting for conviction will be an albatross around their neck in their futures.

Additionally, with Mueller testifying and other relevant investigations ongoing more and more damaging info will come out. It will become obvious to a large % of citizens that the Republican party is actively covering up for a criminal president.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:18:40am
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Old Liberal  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:19:04am

re: #17 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

As long as Fox tells them that it’s sucking Russian dick or being beheaded by the scary MOOSLIMS!!1! they’ll bend over for anything Putin and his puppet Trump say.

Relative of mine in upstate Wisconsin said that if Hilary had been elected, then ISIS would have been marching down the main street of his tiny town the next day, decapitated Christian heads in their hands, chanting “Allahu Akbar!”

When I asked him how they would get from Syria to Rusk county, he said that ISIS was “out there, just waiting, but now we’re safe.”

Rusk county is the asshole of Wisconsin. Poor and dumb as shit. ISIS wouldn’t behead anyone there because they’d have to pry the heads out of their colons first

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:20:06am

re: #45 rhuarc

I have to say after seeing many relevant sections on here and via Twitter that impeachment needs to happen. I was previously not a fan knowing that the Senate would not convict and that it would be used for political purposes. After this release, though, I don’t care if they won’t convict. Republicans in the Senate not voting for conviction will be an albatross around their neck in their futures.

Additionally, with Mueller testifying and other relevant investigations ongoing more and more damaging info will come out. It will become obvious to a large % of citizens that the Republican party is actively covering up for a criminal president.

I have to agree knowing what we know in the report. We know now that Trump did attempt to obstruct the investigation in every way he could. I want to know what he asked people like McGahn to impede Mueller. This isn’t like where the public felt that the Congress had no business impeaching and removing Clinton over Monica. This is something different.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:20:12am

Fucking Senate Intel Chair Perfectly OK With Russian Interference.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:02am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

it brings me no pleasure to report this, but the mueller report has two spaces after every period

We’ve had computers cranking out documents with proportional fonts on every desktop for how long now, and people still do this?

Heathens. Burn them. Burn them all.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:05am

re: #21 Shropshire Slasher

Amazing. I only wish that Robert Goddard, Sergei Korolev and Wernher von Braun were around to see it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:21am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I agree with all except I think he wlil run for a second term. His ego won’t allow him to go out like this but I do think that the majority of the American people want him gone now and will gladly vote against him in November 2020. Will it be enough? I think so but we got 18 months and about 12-14 to find the right person.

Oh he’s going to try to run again. All I was saying is it would not surprise me if he gets pressured not to run. Other’s political careers are on the line and after today, there is little left for them to save. They’ve propped him up as long as they could.

As I said the other day, this may be an opening for Mitt to get in again and be the ‘change the party’ candidate that the big money might back. Weld may make a big thing of this report.

If the money people let Trump know he is done and Mitch McConnell stops by and tells him, we did all we could for you, you are now too damaged politically for me and the Senate to back you any further, Trump is a leaking boat with no engine and no sails stuck in a real bad storm. That is political death.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:30am

re: #46 jaunte

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Disgraceful asshole. And oyu know what, I bet Burr doesn’t even like Trump that much but this was all pure partisanship. If a Democratic president did anything close to what Trump has done, FNC would be urging public executions. Me? I just want Trump and his crooked team out of the WH and into prison and away from any sort of political influence in this country ever again.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:32am

re: #11 jaunte

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Exactly. Trump is not a legitimate President.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:22:39am

re: #24 Interesting Times

I prefer this version:

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Obviously ‘shopped. The hands are too big.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:24:53am

re: #50 Colère Tueur de Lapin

We’ve had computers cranking out documents with proportional fonts on every desktop for how long now, and people still do this?

Heathens. Burn them. Burn them all.

I learned to type in middle school on an IBM Selectric and the two spaces rule was pounded into our brains by the teacher. If I managed to get over it so can everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:25:06am

re: #52 ObserverArt

Oh he’s going to try to run again. All I was saying is it would not surprise me if he gets pressured not to run. Other’s political careers are on the line and after today, there is little left for them to save. They’ve propped him up as long as they could.

As I said the other day, this may be an opening for Mitt to get in again and be the ‘change the party’ candidate that the big money might back. Weld may make a big thing of this report.

If the money people let Trump know he is done and Mitch McConnell stops by and tells him, we did all we could for you, you are now too damaged politically for me and the Senate to back you any further, Trump is a leaking boat with no engine and no sails stuck in a real bad storm. That is political death.

Ohhh I see what you mean now. Honestly, I don’t know about Mitt. He plays a weird game. Mitt has more in common with Trump than he doesn’t though so it wouldn’t surprise me if he did ultimately try to do something that would get Trump out since Trump being ousted as the 2020 GOP nominee would increase the chance of Mitt becoming President and Mitt’s concern is not what’s good for the country or even his party, it’s what is good for Mtit and that’s what he has in common with Trump.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:25:17am

re: #41 makeitstop

Hoarse has his usual pithy take. He’s not wrong - Barr thought he was playing by Iran-Contra-era rules.

Baud rates were a lot lower back then.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:26:36am
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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:27:01am

re: #46 jaunte

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Burr looking bad…go figure. He has been putting on a show like he is the good Republican Senator in all of this all along.

The GOP congress members all need to answer for obstruction. Since McConnell drug his feet when told about Russia just prior to the election they have done nothing but get in the way of any truth.

Dismantle the Republican Party!

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Sir John Barron  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:27:34am

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

That’s it, I’ve had enough. Can’t anyone do anything right?

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Jay C  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:27:40am

re: #45 rhuarc

Additionally, with Mueller testifying and other relevant investigations ongoing more and more damaging info will come out. It will become obvious to a large % of citizens that the Republican party is actively covering up for a criminal president.

Yes, but the bigger problem (to which there is NO easy solution) is the decidedly non-trivial percentage of the voting citizenry who will note this fact - and NOT FUCKING CARE IN THE FUCKING LEAST - and still reflexively and unquestioningly pull the lever for the (R) election after election. Mainly for what can easily be construed as negative reasons, but unfortunately, votes cast out of bigotry, ignorance, fanaticism, etc. still count as much as those cast for nobler purposes.
The best we can hope for is a large-enough majority to try to marginalize said percentage….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:27:48am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The on going matter could refer to Stone IMO who I believe was the middle man between Trump’s team and Wikileaks.

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:28:21am

OT:
I will simply note that (sigh) Windows 10 still has the BSOD.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:30:43am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

The on going matter could refer to Stone IMO who I believe was the middle man between Trump’s team and Wikileaks.

Stone and Jerome Corsi are specifically noted in the report as being the subjects of ongoing investigations.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:32:38am

re: #65 Eclectic Cyborg

Stone and Jerome Corsi are specifically noted in the report as being the subjects of ongoing investigations.

Yep. It’s not over despite’s what Trump thinks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:34:12am
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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:35:06am

re: #64 William Lewis

OT:
I will simply note that (sigh) Windows 10 still has the BSOD.

I have been using Windows for a long time. I think the last blue screen of death I had was on a Windows 98 system that had issues because of non-Y2k drivers in a SCSI card.

In other words…what are you doing to get it?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:35:27am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hypocrites have no shame at all.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:36:09am

re: #64 William Lewis

OT:
I will simply note that (sigh) Windows 10 still has the BSOD.

The last BSOD I had was a real death-knell to my computer. The MB fried.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:37:02am

I don’t know that I’ve heard Mueller speak, but I get the sense that he wouldn’t sit idly by as Gym Jordan, Meadows, etc. went full banana pants on him in any sort of committee hearing.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:37:34am

re: #64 William Lewis

OT:
I will simply note that (sigh) Windows 10 still has the BSOD.

No program is perfect, but they have gotten those way down. I remember when I ran Windows 3.1, that one of the brags was how many times we had reinstalled it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:38:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:39:28am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:39:33am

re: #71 Mike Lamb

I don’t know that I’ve heard Mueller speak, but I get the sense that he wouldn’t sit idly by as Gym Jordan, Meadows, etc. went full banana pants on him in any sort of committee hearing.

I haven’t either. I’m sure there are clips of his fbi director confirmation hearing. I’m sure he’d be calm if Jordan or Meadows tried to bait him.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:40:20am

re: #47 Old Liberal

Rusk county is the asshole of Wisconsin. Poor and dumb as shit. ISIS wouldn’t behead anyone there because they’d have to pry the heads out of their colons first

I swear, it didn’t use to be like that. When I first went there as a lad, it was a little hardscrabble, sure, lots of farms where the barns hadn’t been painted in pretty much forever … but it’s mean now. Mean and angry.

Was it the big copper mining operation that shat all over the land? The collapse of the blue-collar industries in Eau Claire and Chippewa Falls that fed into economic activity in the surrounding counties?

I’d also save asshole for one of the counties further north & east. There are some serious rednecky enclaves up near the U.P.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:40:21am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not Game Over.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:40:43am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:40:47am

re: #70 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The last BSOD I had was a real death-knell to my computer. The MB fried.

Mine was last week after the power outage. Hard drive didn’t want to read properly. Finally got it up and haven’t turned it off since. Have a spare 500GB standing by for when it finally gives up the ghost. All relative files backed up as well.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:41:27am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh I’m so glad that Baby Donald is happy.//

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:43:04am

re: #68 ObserverArt

I have been using Windows for a long time. I think the last blue screen of death I had was on a Windows 98 system that had issues because of non-Y2k drivers in a SCSI card.

In other words…what are you doing to get it?

I have an external drive connecting by USB that was formatted as ext4 for my previous Ubuntu system. I intended to reformat it as NTFS to use as a backup device for installer files and the like. Using Storage Manager I deleted the partition and told it to recreate a partition and format it. Start of format, Boom! BSOD in cache manager. Now simply trying to plug the drive in to a USB port does the same thing. Have not had a chance to troubleshoot beyond that so far.

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Interesting Times  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:43:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:43:48am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:44:35am

Apparently, Rod Rosenstein’s frozen expression is being noticed:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:47:09am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

From Kellyanne, this means that he is gnawing the furniture, mainlining Diet Coke, and shitting octagonal cinderblocks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:47:50am

the NAFTA report is out:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:47:51am

He’s happy if she’s telling the truth because he’s going to purge more people.

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:48:16am

re: #72 Belafon

No program is perfect, but they have gotten those way down. I remember when I ran Windows 3.1, that one of the brags was how many times we had reinstalled it.

When I ran 3.11 I would reinstall once a month, just because. That was why I shifted first to OS/2 Warp and then to Linux later.

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piratedan  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:48:55am

and as of yet, no one has connected the dots of “if you’re innocent of any wrongdoing” how come you committed so many acts of obstruction over your actions…

they’ve already perjured, obstructed, not identified as foreign agents, solicited actions from foreign agents and likely also committed campaign finance violations… broken the emoluments clause multiple times and directed staff to also break the law in damn near every department and the Press… STILL wants to lend this administration some legitimacy.

This election was to use the kindest word, compromised

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:50:50am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:51:06am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

the NAFTA report is out:

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Was there a real doubt that it would probably be pretty similar? It’s called NAFTA lite for a reason.

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:51:29am

re: #76 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I swear, it didn’t use to be like that. When I first went there as a lad, it was a little hardscrabble, sure, lots of farms where the barns hadn’t been painted in pretty much forever … but it’s mean now. Mean and angry.

Was it the big copper mining operation that shat all over the land? The collapse of the blue-collar industries in Eau Claire and Chippewa Falls that fed into economic activity in the surrounding counties?

I’d also save asshole for one of the counties further north & east. There are some serious rednecky enclaves up near the U.P.

Mostly it’s been the Meth that has hurt Rusk, Sawyer and Douglas counties. Over east (Forest, Oconto, Marinette, etc) that’s still Posse Comitatus & Neo-Nazi country.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:52:06am
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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:52:54am

re: #81 William Lewis

I have an external drive connecting by USB that was formatted as ext4 for my previous Ubuntu system. I intended to reformat it as NTFS to use as a backup device for installer files and the like. Using Storage Manager I deleted the partition and told it to recreate a partition and format it. Start of format, Boom! BSOD in cache manager. Now simply trying to plug the drive in to a USB port does the same thing. Have not had a chance to troubleshoot beyond that so far.

Ouch. Is it confused because of Ubuntu and doesn’t know what the operating system is and Windows is just flat conflicting?

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:53:30am

re: #93 Scottish Dragon

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I knew a $20 hooker once who had more honor than Barr.

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sagehen  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:54:16am

re: #93 Scottish Dragon

Barr comes out of this looking like a cheap hooker, although that’s a slander to prostitutes, in truth.

He does not. He comes out of this looking like a very expensive hooker.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:54:51am

re: #95 William Lewis

I knew a $20 hooker once who had more honor than Barr.

One just gives you a service for currency, the other operates exclusively for the benefit of GOP Presidential clean ups.

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:57:15am

re: #94 ObserverArt

Ouch. Is it confused because of Ubuntu and doesn’t know what the operating system is and Windows is just flat conflicting?

My guess is the partition table was left in a bad state by Storage Manager when it deleted the old partition. I’ll see if I can boot with it plugged in when the system is powered off and if it will, then I’ll fire up good old fashioned command line fdisk and format and see if I can rebuild it that way. If so, cool, if not, toss it. I can buy a refurb 2TB for $30 these days.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:57:18am
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Jay C  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:58:30am

re: #70 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The last BSOD I had was a real death-knell to my computer. The MB fried.

I get them all the time on my older (12/2013) Dell laptop (still running Win 7 Pro): I just manually reboot. Usually about once a month. I “replaced” it with a newer HP laptop last year, but it was scarcely an improvement: I really can’t stand Win 10: but then again, rien á faire….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:58:44am

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

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And that’s why we shouldn’t feel bad if she’s told she’s not wanted in a restaurant. She can stay at the WH and eat junk food with Trump.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 11:58:53am

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

I wonder if Trump will fire her since she wasn’t willing to lie to save his skin.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:02:02pm

re: #102 Belafon

I wonder if Trump will fire her since she wasn’t willing to lie to save his skin.

She disgusts me. Lies repeatedly to the American people but did all she could to save her own skin.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:03:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:03:30pm

this bit is amusing

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Jay C  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:07:06pm

re: #102 Belafon

I wonder if Trump will fire her since she wasn’t willing to lie to save his skin.

Actually, I thought Sarah was on her way out at the start of the year (obviously, I was incorrect) - but I’m not sure her job is in jeopardy: after all, she only lied to the Mueller Commission, and since they COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY EXONERATED THE PRESIDENT FROM PARTISAN WITCH-HUNT CHARGES!!!!! - who’s to notice or care? Outside of the press and public, of course, but their considerations have been ignored since January, 2017, why should today be different?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:07:40pm

re: #104 lawhawk

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My high school classmate,(Sink) still a good journalist after all these years.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:14:23pm

Hearing some people here: “F Linux.”

Windows makes the easy things easy.
Linux keeps the hard things from being any harder than they have to be.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:23:12pm

This woman is just so on point.

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William Lewis  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:24:33pm

re: #108 Belafon

I’ve been using Unix in one form or another since 1986. I stopped using Windows regularly at XP so going back to it at 10 is a bit of a system shock for me. I am very much more accustomed to the Unix way of doing things. The beta of NT4 before they removed the RISC builds and moved the video drivers into Ring 0 was the best version of Windows ever but it couldn’t run games fast enough for the home market. Hence the changes and we get what we have today. Insecure, moderately stable, but, hey, Warframe screams under Direct X 12…

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:26:23pm

sciencedaily.com

Using what they call DASH (DNA-based Assembly and Synthesis of Hierarchical) materials, engineers constructed a DNA material with capabilities of metabolism, in addition to self-assembly and organization—three key traits of life.

“We are introducing a brand-new, lifelike material concept powered by its very own artificial metabolism. We are not making something that’s alive, but we are creating materials that are much more lifelike than have ever been seen before,” said Dan Luo, professor of biological and environmental engineering.

The paper published in Science Robotics.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:26:49pm
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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:27:18pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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Ooo. Bosch. Nice choice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:27:27pm
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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:29:10pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:30:31pm

re: #113 Teukka

Ooo. Bosch. Nice choice.

I got one too, with the hidden control panel. Stone quiet, too.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:33:14pm

re: #116 Eric The Fruit Bat

Yup. Got a Bosch after my Kenmore died prematurely. Spent extra to get one… and am liking the way it cleans and how quiet it is.

Still not a huge fan on how it dries plastics (it really doesn’t do a great job there - because there isn’t a heat element within the cleaning space). But that also means you can put plastics anywhere they can fit.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:36:04pm

It should be the end of his presidency and this corrupt admin, but it wont - mostly because the GOP continue to protect him, and the media still isn’t knocking down doors to get answers and expose this admin because they still put access above all else.

The siege mentality in the West Wing is only going to get worse because everyone there should know by now that Barr’s performance this morning convinced absolutely no one of Trump’s innocence or exoneration on anything. What we do know is Mueller handed off obstruction to Congress to impeach and multiple criminal investigations are still underway.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:40:44pm

re: #117 lawhawk

Yup. Got a Bosch after my Kenmore died prematurely. Spent extra to get one… and am liking the way it cleans and how quiet it is.

Still not a huge fan on how it dries plastics (it really doesn’t do a great job there - because there isn’t a heat element within the cleaning space). But that also means you can put plastics anywhere they can fit.

We’re another Bosch dishwasher family. Damn thing is so quiet I don’t even realize when it’s running sometimes.

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mmmirele  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:40:58pm

re: #50 Colère Tueur de Lapin

We’ve had computers cranking out documents with proportional fonts on every desktop for how long now, and people still do this?

Heathens. Burn them. Burn them all.

We have a proportional font on our reports generated from a massive program that tracks problem tickets, change requests, work orders and every single desktop, laptop, mainframe, midrange, server cluster, networks, applications, etc. etc. etc. AND THE FONT STINKS. It’s a sans serif font not designed for reports. Our last manager requested we use two spaces after a period because the proportionality of the font is awful. I write my reports in Word and would just go through with a search to find anything with only one space after the period and put in an extra space.

Our current manager, she doesn’t care.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:42:55pm

re: #119 makeitstop

One thing I think would make a much improved interface is that if you have the hidden controls and you see the LED light on the bottom indicating that it’s operating, they could put in a counter that shows time remaining that projects on the floor. It’d be a boon since the only way to know how much time remains is looking at the screen hidden from view.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:48:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:52:10pm
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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:55:11pm

re: #23 jaunte

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“game” over?

this isnt a fucking game

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:55:49pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

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OK, the ‘ongoing matter’ is not Bernie’s campaign, or that one more sentence would be blacked out. What other ‘ongoing matter’ might be harmed? A certain presidency?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:57:07pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

OK, the ‘ongoing matter’ is not Bernie’s campaign, or that one more sentence would be blacked out. What other ‘ongoing matter’ might be harmed? A certain presidency?

I think it’s Roger Stone?

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:58:18pm

re: #50 Colère Tueur de Lapin

it brings me no pleasure to report this, but the mueller report has two spaces after every period

We’ve had computers cranking out documents with proportional fonts on every desktop for how long now, and people still do this?

Heathens. Burn them. Burn them all.

how do we know they’re in the original?

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 12:59:54pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

I think it’s Roger Stone?

That’s another ongoing matter to which I would not mind some harm coming.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:00:36pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

OK, the ‘ongoing matter’ is not Bernie’s campaign, or that one more sentence would be blacked out. What other ‘ongoing matter’ might be harmed? A certain presidency?

There are ongoing indictments against Roger Stone and Julian Assange that are still open.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:02:03pm

re: #129 lawhawk

There are ongoing indictments against Roger Stone and Julian Assange that are still open.

and Corsi.

Also, Mueller isn’t finished with Flynn, Manafort and Cohen.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:02:16pm

re: #129 lawhawk

There are ongoing indictments against Roger Stone and Julian Assange that are still open.

OK, don’t harm the indictments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:03:04pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:04:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:06:58pm

O_o

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:07:23pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

All ready for #Passover with a brand new dishwasher from @Lowes

what a load of Bosch that’s going to be

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:07:46pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He really shouldn’t take press his luck since they’re investigating the DA he, his sis, & brother in law may have paid off.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:08:03pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Don Jr bragging about being too stupid to be indicted is an all-timer.]

I’ve seen a claim of stupidity work out as a defense, but let’s leave my family out of it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:08:43pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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I disagree but we can make the argument against re-electing him the same as impeaching.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:10:38pm

meanwhile in Canada:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:11:02pm

That argument is that he’s a liar, bully, unconcerned with Russian meddling, & flat out can’t be trusted.

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:12:15pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

“Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told @DanaBashCNN .

an impeachment investigation now, R senate or no, is necessary to rehabilitate the integrity of the office of the presidency

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:12:59pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:14:20pm

re: #141 Man, DangerMan

an impeachment investigation now, R senate or no, is necessary to rehabilitate the integrity of the office of the presidency

House: Give us these documents!
White House: No
House: Back us on this, Senate.
Senate:

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:14:35pm

Devil’s Advocate on impeachment - the pros/cons of impeachment (and removal)

The case for impeachment: prevent Trump from sending more right wing extremists into the judiciary for a lifetime of rolling back civil/voting rights. Senate Dems can’t block nominations, but should be making the case that all nominations should cease based on impeachable acts by Trump and that McConnell is defending and protecting a corrupt and criminal Trump.

The case against impeachment: political expediency to prevent GOP from using this to rally around Trump. Election is 18 months away and you don’t want to muddy whatever vision the Democrats have for post-Trump administration.

Impeachment is a punishing tool - and helps cleanse the WH of criminal misconduct (Graham’s own words). Leaving Trump in place would allow the harm to continue.

I get some Democrats’ reluctance to go after Trump and impeach, but there’s a solid case on impeaching (removing again falls short thanks to McConnell and the GOP who may not even take up the case for trial in the Senate claiming that they’ve done a head-count and they wont get 2/3 to convict).

Every Democrat needs to make it their mission to hold the entire GOP accountable for this mess - and to defeat Trump and every GOPer at every level from now til forever.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:19:34pm

re: #144 lawhawk

He must be incapacitated. Removal is preferable, but not without its own problems (mainly Pence). Perhaps incapacitation in place would prevent the most harm. He’s causing deaths.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:19:44pm
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ipsos  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:19:47pm

If the front page of tomorrow’s NY Daily News isn’t a picture of the Orange Numpty with “I’M FUCKED” over it, I will be very disappoint.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:20:20pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re lying about lying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:21:24pm

re: #147 ipsos

If the front page of tomorrow’s NY Daily News isn’t a picture of the Orange Numpty with “I’M FUCKED” over it, I will be very disappoint.

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:23:08pm

re: #143 Belafon

House: Give us these documents!
White House: No
House: Back us on this, Senate.
Senate:

it is absurd that anyone would have control over a report from an independent investigation into him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:23:14pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:24:11pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would stay standing and talk as loudly as I could. Fuck ‘em.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:24:39pm

re: #146 gocart mozart

There’s also the bit where the report says that campaign and White House officials lied about contacts with Russia making it difficult to determine if there was a conspiracy. Which, really, should be evidence of a conspiracy, but I understand why it’s not.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:25:49pm

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure “permitless carry” is not what the Framers had in mind when they wrote that part about “A well regulated militia”

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:26:36pm

re: #141 Man, DangerMan

an impeachment investigation now, R senate or no, is necessary to rehabilitate the integrity of the office of the presidency

heh:

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:27:47pm

re: #144 lawhawk

Devil’s Advocate on impeachment - the pros/cons of impeachment (and removal)

The case for impeachment: prevent Trump from sending more right wing extremists into the judiciary for a lifetime of rolling back civil/voting rights. Senate Dems can’t block nominations, but should be making the case that all nominations should cease based on impeachable acts by Trump and that McConnell is defending and protecting a corrupt and criminal Trump.

The case against impeachment: political expediency to prevent GOP from using this to rally around Trump. Election is 18 months away and you don’t want to muddy whatever vision the Democrats have for post-Trump administration.

Impeachment is a punishing tool - and helps cleanse the WH of criminal misconduct (Graham’s own words). Leaving Trump in place would allow the harm to continue.

I get some Democrats’ reluctance to go after Trump and impeach, but there’s a solid case on impeaching (removing again falls short thanks to McConnell and the GOP who may not even take up the case for trial in the Senate claiming that they’ve done a head-count and they wont get 2/3 to convict).

Every Democrat needs to make it their mission to hold the entire GOP accountable for this mess - and to defeat Trump and every GOPer at every level from now til forever.

the house must, absolutely must continue to investigate carefully and soberly.

they must fight to get every piece of evidence (ie the mueller report) they would need in order to fulfill their duties and determine if actual impeachment proceedings - ie voting on a resolution, is warranted

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:28:02pm
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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:28:18pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

He must be incapacitated. Removal is preferable, but not without its own problems (mainly Pence). Perhaps incapacitation in place would prevent the most harm. He’s causing deaths.

release the house flies

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:28:19pm

This seems like a big deal:

The investigation did not always yield admissible information or testimony, or a complete picture of the activities undertaken by subjects of the investigation. Some individuals invoked their Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination and were not, in the Office’s judgment, appropriate candidates for grants of immunity.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:28:48pm

John Heilemann on Nicole Wallace is saying forget about crimes Mueller clearly established the President was obstructing the investigation by limited cooperation and that alone set him up for impeachment.

He is saying anyone with a political brain knows Trumps can be impeached easily with what we now have and the Democrats face a tough decision if they should go ahead because they have a great case.

But…Republicans.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:29:26pm

re: #156 Man, DangerMan

Arguably, they’re already engaging in an impeachment without actually impeaching by doing all these investigations and calling Trumpworld figures to testify. I’d suggest that they bring back every last one who testified and was named in the report and have them all testify under oath, from Huckabee Sanders on down. Grill them all (preferably until they’re toast).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:29:44pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:31:20pm

re: #158 Man, DangerMan

release the house flies

Can I throw in a horsefly and a couple bumblebees? They’ll either hurt him, or make him hurt himself.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:32:24pm
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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:32:57pm

re: #161 lawhawk

Arguably, they’re already engaging in an impeachment without actually impeaching by doing all these investigations and calling Trumpworld figures to testify. I’d suggest that they bring back every last one who testified and was named in the report and have them all testify under oath, from Huckabee Sanders on down. Grill them all (preferably until they’re toast).

bingo.
100% exactly what i meant.

…then hit the ‘toast’ button again

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:32:59pm
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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:33:04pm

re: #144 lawhawk

Devil’s Advocate on impeachment - the pros/cons of impeachment (and removal)

The case for impeachment: prevent Trump from sending more right wing extremists into the judiciary for a lifetime of rolling back civil/voting rights. Senate Dems can’t block nominations, but should be making the case that all nominations should cease based on impeachable acts by Trump and that McConnell is defending and protecting a corrupt and criminal Trump.

The case against impeachment: political expediency to prevent GOP from using this to rally around Trump. Election is 18 months away and you don’t want to muddy whatever vision the Democrats have for post-Trump administration.

Impeachment is a punishing tool - and helps cleanse the WH of criminal misconduct (Graham’s own words). Leaving Trump in place would allow the harm to continue.

I get some Democrats’ reluctance to go after Trump and impeach, but there’s a solid case on impeaching (removing again falls short thanks to McConnell and the GOP who may not even take up the case for trial in the Senate claiming that they’ve done a head-count and they wont get 2/3 to convict).

Every Democrat needs to make it their mission to hold the entire GOP accountable for this mess - and to defeat Trump and every GOPer at every level from now til forever.

I forget the rules exactly, but I vaguely recall during the Clinton Impeachment the rule was that the trial superseded everything else on the Senate calendar. If that’s still the case, it would at least stop confirmation votes for a little while.

I think even if there’s no chance to remove Trump from office, from a moral perspective I think the House has an obligation to say that this isn’t acceptable behavior of a president.

And from a purely political one, force every Republican in Congress to go on the record saying that this kind of action is acceptable. Then beat them over the head with it during the campaign.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:33:44pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Can I throw in a horsefly and a couple bumblebees? They’ll either hurt him, or make him hurt himself.

Maybe some angry wasps?

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:33:46pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Can I throw in a horsefly and a couple bumblebees? They’ll either hurt him, or make him hurt himself.

anything’s fine with me, up to and including the Kraken

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:34:02pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:35:02pm

re: #169 Man, DangerMan

anything’s fine with me, up to and including the Kraken

LOL this requires the cleansing power of Cthulhu.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:35:11pm

re: #169 Man, DangerMan

anything’s fine with me, up to and including the Kraken

Maybe those little bees that can live in a person’s eyes and drink their tears…

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:35:48pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Tapes!

So basically just about every damn thing in the Steele Dossier has proven correct.

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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:37:35pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s off to Mar a Lago again for the weekend….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:38:17pm

re: #174 lawhawk

He’s off to Mar a Lago again for the weekend….

he also does not look calm and happy

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:38:41pm

re: #173 ObserverArt

Tapes!

So basically just about every damn thing in the Steele Dossier has proven correct.

Pee tape is real I bet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:39:42pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

he also does not look calm and happy

and melanoma looks like she’s making a fist

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:40:01pm

I wonder how much of the stuff blacked out due to “harm to ongoing matter” on the Russian interference part of the report is about the indictment against the troll farms and how much is about stuff we don’t actually know about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:40:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:41:12pm

re: #167 KGxvi

I forget the rules exactly, but I vaguely recall during the Clinton Impeachment the rule was that the trial superseded everything else on the Senate calendar. If that’s still the case, it would at least stop confirmation votes for a little while.

I think even if there’s no chance to remove Trump from office, from a moral perspective I think the House has an obligation to say that this isn’t acceptable behavior of a president.

And from a purely political one, force every Republican in Congress to go on the record saying that this kind of action is acceptable. Then beat them over the head with it during the campaign.

Agreed. Get them all on record as saying obstruction is okay if it’s a GOP President.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:41:39pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah cleared. Game over for you, Donnie.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:42:12pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s probably furious. He’s not a happy camper, that’s for sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:43:03pm

SQUIRREL!

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piratedan  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:43:30pm

as evil as the current Trump Administration is, NONE of this shit goes down without the Senate Majority Leader actively participating and abetting what took place in 2016.

If you only have to arrest one traitorous motherfucker this year, it SHOULD be Mitch McConnell.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:45:39pm

re: #184 piratedan

as evil as the current Trump Administration is, NONE of this shit goes down without the Senate Majority Leader actively participating and abetting what took place in 2016.

If you only have to arrest one traitorous motherfucker this year, it SHOULD be Mitch McConnell.

I was glad to see Schumer recruited Amy McGrath to run against him. Time to crack the turtle’s shell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:45:51pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:46:06pm

Impeachment proceedings would make me feel pretty good, even recognizing they probably wouldn’t result in even a single Republican vote for conviction in the Senate (side note: who knew that when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose votes, he meant the Senate). However, I think Hoyer/Pelosi have a pretty good handle on the practical impacts: namely, it wouldn’t get anywhere in the Senate; it would be used as a rallying cry by the GOP; and possibly most importantly, the media would report through a “It’s just politics” lens. I think it could do more harm than good.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:47:57pm

Dems seemed united in their narrative and they are right about Barr.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:49:02pm

re: #187 Mike Lamb

Impeachment proceedings would make me feel pretty good, even recognizing they probably wouldn’t result in even a single Republican vote for conviction in the Senate (side note: who knew that when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose votes, he meant the Senate). However, I think Hoyer/Pelosi have a pretty good handle on the practical impacts: namely, it wouldn’t get anywhere in the Senate; it would be used as a rallying cry by the GOP; and possibly most importantly, the media would report through a “It’s just politics” lens. I think it could do more harm than good.

I can see both sides of the argument for or against.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:49:29pm

re: #174 lawhawk

He’s off to Mar a Lago again for the weekend….

It’d be nice if it was permanently.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:49:44pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Dems seemed united in their narrative and they are right about Barr.

But the CCCP will endlessly recite how Democrats are divided.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:50:42pm

re: #191 Joe Bacon 🌹

But the CCCP will endlessly recite how Democrats are divided.

Of course they will.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:50:58pm

re: #187 Mike Lamb

Impeachment proceedings would make me feel pretty good, even recognizing they probably wouldn’t result in even a single Republican vote for conviction in the Senate (side note: who knew that when Trump said he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose votes, he meant the Senate). However, I think Hoyer/Pelosi have a pretty good handle on the practical impacts: namely, it wouldn’t get anywhere in the Senate; it would be used as a rallying cry by the GOP; and possibly most importantly, the media would report through a “It’s just politics” lens. I think it could do more harm than good.

That’s kind of where I am, that any plan to force the GOP to own it relies a whole lot on the media. And they are more likely to say that while the report is damaging, there might not be enough there to impeach than to hound the Republicans about why they continue to stand behind the president.

Any plan that relies on more than about 6 people in the media is dangerous.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:51:01pm

Elijah Cummings remarks on the release of the Mueller report:

“The President and his Attorney General expect the American people to be blind to what we can now see. This report catalogues in excruciating detail a proliferation of lies by the President to the American people, as well as his incessant and repeated efforts to encourage others to lie. Contrary to Attorney General Barr’s attempts at misdirection, it is crystal clear from the report that the Justice Department’s policy against indicting a sitting President played a key role in Special Counsel Mueller’s analysis—in fact, it is the very first point in the obstruction section of his report. Unfortunately, we still have only part of the story, and Congress must subpoena the full report and all underlying documents.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:51:49pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:52:40pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:53:17pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’d be nice if it was permanently.

Maybe he’ll stamp his little foot and refuse to return to the White House.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:53:55pm
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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:55:30pm

Jalopnik awards Worst In Show at the NY Auto Show - the Karlmann King.

$2.2 million worth of ‘Fuck, is that ugly.’

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:56:02pm

re: #196 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It’s easy to see why he’s so touchy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:56:43pm

I have lots of those.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:56:48pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Blumenthal knows how to get under Trump’s skin.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:56:56pm

re: #195 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s the kicker: Trump is in the same spot-when Clinton was impeached, he was saved by the Senate.

And unfortunately, Clinton singed off on many bills that would lead to the Great Recession after he was acquitted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:57:14pm

re: #200 makeitstop

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$2.2 million worth of ‘Fuck, is that ugly.’

origami gone bad

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:57:30pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

It’d be nice if it was permanently.

We could only be so lucky.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:58:37pm

re: #200 makeitstop

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$2.2 million worth of ‘Fuck, is that ugly.’

Finally the Pontiac Aztek has been knocked from the crown!

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:58:42pm

What I think Democrats in the House should do is pick out the parts that look like obstruction or conspiracy and state that they are using these as the basis to build a case for impeachment. Make these the things you call people in for, and then go after them for not showing up, and make not showing a reason for going after them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:58:59pm

Imagine the reaction if this kind of report had come out about Obama.

Now think about why that’s NOT happening with Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:59:08pm

also, we see how waiting until the elections worked out for Merrick Garland.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 18, 2019 • 1:59:28pm

re: #200 makeitstop

They managed to make a Pontiac Aztek look sporty

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:01:01pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:02:50pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Yeah they actually believe crazy shit like that. It is so fucked up. But the FNC propaganda works. It’s how they seriously believe that Trumo is responsible for an “economic miracle.” A large chunk of our population doesn’t reside in reality.

Instead, we have Nazis running amok.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:03:00pm

re: #208 Belafon

What I think Democrats in the House should do is pick out the parts that look like obstruction or conspiracy and state that they are using these as the basis to build a case for impeachment. Make these the things you call people in for, and then go after them for not showing up, and make not showing a reason for going after them.

I want the investigations to continue until the election, and i want them ongoing afterwards. Impeachment i am on the fence about, I do not want to make a martyr out of him and i don’t want anyone getting used to Pence as president and not wanting to make a change. As long as Trump is neutered, I don’t care how it is done.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:03:51pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So Mark, how do Trump’s balls taste in your mouth? The report didn’t clear him. In fact, his obstruction arguably is why we don’t know if collusion happened or not. And he still denies Russia interfered to benefit him let alone that they did at all. You should resign. You weren’t elected to protect Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:04:27pm

It really irks me that the RW keeps insisting that the Dems were all-in about collusion.
Collusion was ALL TRUMP TALKED ABOUT; no one outside of the right wing echo chamber went on and on about “collusion”.
But the RW lunatics managed to solidify that alternate reality.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:05:31pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

origami gone bad

Trump would think it was invisible.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:05:44pm

re: #213 GlutenFreeJesus

Instead, we have Nazis running amok.

We have the man who was for the longest time the most influential voice for Republicans wondering aloud why white nationalists get a bad rap all the while they throw fauxrage at a Democratic freshman congresswoman who correctly pointed out that the actions of a few Muslims were used to scapegoat the Muslim American community.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:06:07pm

re: #217 makeitstop

Trump would think it was invisible.

or he’d think it was a nifty little Transformer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:06:39pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

It really irks me that the RW keeps insisting that the Dems were all-in about collusion.
Collusion was ALL TRUMP TALKED ABOUT; no one outside of the right wing echo chamber went on and on about “collusion”.
But the RW lunatics managed to solidify that alternate reality.

Yeah obstruction was a big part especially after he admitted to Lester Holt to firing Comey over the “Russian thing.”

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:08:01pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

It really irks me that the RW keeps insisting that the Dems were all-in about collusion.
Collusion was ALL TRUMP TALKED ABOUT; no one outside of the right wing echo chamber went on and on about “collusion”.
But the RW lunatics managed to solidify that alternate reality.

Parroting Trump.

No collusion…no collusion…squawk!

They’d follow Donny to their own demise so reality is not going to touch ‘em now. Pure cult.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:12:02pm

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

$100 million for the National Enquirer, National Examiner and the Globe.
That seems pretty cheap

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:12:28pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We need to be ready for it happening again. I suspect the Russian game will be try to inflame public opinion against Democratic candidates who will stand up to Putin’s shit and try to strengthen our alliances that have been weakened since Trump took over. So imo watch for over the top anti Harris and Biden stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:12:42pm

Burglar had a very bad day.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:13:04pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

$100 million for the National Enquirer, National Examiner and the Globe.
That seems pretty cheap

Fire sale. If Pecker doesn’t sell, Bezos is gonna take it from him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:13:27pm

re: #224 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

$100 million for the National Enquirer, National Examiner and the Globe.
That seems pretty cheap

damaged goods always go for a huge discount.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:14:12pm

re: #227 makeitstop

Fire sale. If Pecker doesn’t sell, Bezos is gonna take it from him.

Hey OT, great article on ESPN on our favorite Serbian-American basketball coach in San Antonio.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:17:40pm

I’m definitely going to be wary of stories that spread via meme and talking point. The Beto TOOK MILLIONS FROM THE OIL COMPANIES is a great example.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:21:48pm

If you want to see what the deniers go through….

STEPHEN COHEN: You are absolutely right, only not right enough. This expression, which has become a truth in the media and for too many politicians that “Russia attacked America during the 2016 presidential election” is both exceedingly dangerous and a complete falsehood. Why is it dangerous? Because if a great power is attacked, that great power has to eventually attack back, counterattack. This is a ticking time bomb in relations with Russia. No attack on America occurred in 2016. I was awake, present, and observant. I saw no missiles descending on our country. No Russian paratroopers. No Russian submarines. No Russian combat planes. Nothing. It’s a complete fiction.

It’s a form, I guess, of hyperbole. Did the Russians meddle? Some Russians? I don’t know. I’m not even sure the Kremlin knew anything about it. But the Russiagate story is that Putin decided he wanted Trump to be in the White House. So he attacked American elections and rigged it. So Trump is now in the White House. I don’t know how many people actually believe this. But too many continue to say it, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC. Too many influential news outlets are putting out an exceedingly dangerous fiction which is a form of warmongering. It didn’t happen, but they won’t let go of it.

So I agree with you. There was no attack on America. But they’re keeping this up. Was there meddling? As you say, sure. So let’s do the-briefly-the history of Russian-American meddling in each other’s politics. Where would you like to begin? Should we begin with the American intervention in the Russian Civil War in 1918? I mean, Wilson sent about 8,000 American troops to try to help overthrow the new red Communist government. Was that meddling? Really, is it meddling? You tell me. Sounds like meddling to me.

PAUL JAY: It’s armed intervention.

STEPHEN COHEN: It’s armed intervention. All right. What about, to leap forward, 1996? I was in Moscow, I observed it. Then-president of post-Soviet Russia Boris Yeltsin stood no chance of being reelected. No chance whatsoever. He was like 3 percent in the polls. But the Clinton administration desperately needed to keep him in power. So they meddled, big time. They sent electoral experts-not unlike, by the way, Paul Manafort. Guys who make a living advising other countries about how to rig elections. We’ve got lots of them who do this for big money. So they set up in the presidential hotel. You could see them. Clinton arranged, I think, it was $10 billion, I may be wrong there, IMF loan to Yeltsin so Yeltsin could pay pensions and salaries he hadn’t paid for five years. I mean, we did the whole-I mean this was a massive intervention into Russia’s election. And basically we kept Russia, Yeltsin, in the presidency. Is that meddling? Is that meddling?

Just because Russia didn’t go Amerkia is how I would respond to him. And since Russia is now pretty much a failed state, given how readily they off dissenters (at least the US keeps people alive, but the system pretty much breaks them psychologically), his Occam’s razor seems somewhat dull.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:24:43pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Hey OT, great article on ESPN on our favorite Serbian-American basketball coach in San Antonio.

Cool! I’ll go find it, thx.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:26:36pm

re: #231 Eric The Fruit Bat

If you want to see what the deniers go through….

Just because Russia didn’t go Amerkia is how I would respond to him. And since Russia is now pretty much a failed state, given how readily they off dissenters (at least the US keeps people alive, but the system pretty much breaks them psychologically), his Occam’s razor seems somewhat dull.

I would think more of my fellow Americans would resent a former KGB man fermenting our divisions to elect a profoundly unqualified man President would bother people. Russia wouldn’t win in a conventional war against the US but under the table stuff like what was done is how a country can do that. I’d say it’s akin to the sci fi movie trope where the alien takes control of a human host. That said, this never would have been possible without the right and left wingers who hated HRC so much that they were willing to do this shit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:27:58pm

This is 21st century warfare. Words and images on Twitter are the machine gun and fighter plane of this era. War is fought not for tangible territory but for ideas.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:29:39pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

This is 21st century warfare. Words and images on Twitter are the machine gun and fighter plane of this era. War is fought not for tangible territory but for ideas.

Yep. Hell, promoting the Anti-vaxxer mentality could be seen as a form of biological warfare.

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:29:52pm

My head is spinning with all I am reading and seeing coming out of this report. None of it seems good for Donny. And it’s only been a few hours.

By Monday the heat on Trump will be turned up because the press now has something to work with from a source trusted by both sides. Also, we can see if the Republicans are going to be sticking to their boy as they have so far.

And now that the report is out, some people that may have been in the shadows might have the platform they need to come out and give their stories. They have a better chance of being believed.

The hunt is on…the dogs have the scent. Lots of new story lines are gonna pop up out of all this.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:30:22pm

Russia can succeed in the West without a single Russian soldier west of Ukraine by playing us against ourselves. Social Media is a powerful tool and dangerous in the wrong hands.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:31:10pm

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Hell, promoting the Anti-vaxxer mentality could be seen as a form of biological warfare.

Yep and culture wars. The Star Wars and gamergate shit was definitely used to incite rage against women and minorities.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:34:01pm

Holy hell… in the obstruction section there’s a paragraph entitled “Conduct towards Flynn, Manafort, [redacted: HOM]”. The paragraph talks about how Trump would talk about Flynn and Manafort in a “hostile” manner after Flynn dropped the joint defense agreement and Manafort pled guilty. The last two lines, presumably about the third person involved in an ongoing matter, are redacted.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:34:31pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Russia can succeed in the West without a single Russian soldier west of Ukraine by playing us against ourselves. Social Media is a powerful tool and dangerous in the wrong hands.

Hell, that was mostly their strategy during the Cold War.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:34:45pm
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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:36:36pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

Hey OT, great article on ESPN on our favorite Serbian-American basketball coach in San Antonio.

Interesting angle on that story, Hap. Who knew he was a wine conoisseur? Fascinating man.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:36:54pm

re: #240 KGxvi

Hell, that was mostly their strategy during the Cold War.

It was. They failed then though because imo people knew the USSR was no good. Now? You got plenty of right wingers here and abroad who prefer Putin to Merkel and the EU leadership establishment. Lefties too btw. I’m looking at you Oliver Stone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:37:27pm
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gwangung  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:37:32pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is ANYONE taking Tracey seriously after his continual parade of idiotic takes?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:38:01pm

re: #242 makeitstop

Interesting angle on that story, Hap. Who knew he was a wine conoisseur? Fascinating man.

A Renaissance man truly. I’m a beer and whiskey guy but I’d love to chat with Pop about basketball, food, wine, etc over a nice Italian dinner and fine wine.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:38:25pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Young Turd lies again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:39:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:39:32pm

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pretty slick move on their part. Lie to the American people but be truthful when their own ass was on the line.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:39:50pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:40:38pm
I would think more of my fellow Americans would resent a former KGB man fermenting our divisions to elect a profoundly unqualified man President would bother people. Russia wouldn’t win in a conventional war against the US but under the table stuff like what was done is how a country can do that.

Let’s see what happens when Congress gets their mitts on the un-redacted copy.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:41:01pm

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

The report doubles down on that point:

With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has authority to prohibit a President’s corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:41:27pm

re: #251 Eric The Fruit Bat

Let’s see what happens when Congress gets their mitts on the un-redacted copy.

For sure. I just think the whole thing should have people livid no matter what our ideology.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:41:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:42:02pm

re: #252 KGxvi

The report doubles down on that point:

For that reason, they should take up impeachment imo.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:44:16pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s also more than a bit disingenuous to completely leave out that a big reason that Mueller didn’t find enough to establish a criminal conspiracy was because Kushner, Junior, and Manafort were ignorant of the laws and therefore didn’t have the requisite intent (in Mueller’s view). In any non-technical or purely ethical sense, they were conspiring, colluding if you will, with Russians.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:45:17pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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also, we see how waiting until the elections worked out for Merrick Garland.

As wary as I am of how an impeachment will go, i don’t give a shit about Hoyer’s views after the way he’s acted toward Omar, AOC, and Tlaib.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:45:34pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

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Yeah absolutely. I’m sorry. But he did everything to obstruct this investigation. Imo you leave this not even attempted to be impeached, you set up a dangerous precedent. I understand why Pelosi was wary about Bush but Trump needs to be impeached. The people of this country need to know Trump was so angry at the investigation that he tried to subvert it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:46:21pm

re: #257 Belafon

As wary as I am of how an impeachment will go, i don’t give a shit about Hoyer’s views after the way he’s acted toward Omar, AOC, and Tlaib.

Hoyer is someone I wouldn’t mind saying good bye to in 2020.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:46:45pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

If we let Trump get away with this because we think he won’t be convicted by Republicans, we’re establishing an absolutely horrible precedent — we’re giving a pass to future right wing monsters like Trump. This isn’t even really about politics.

If Congress doesn’t act… they are rendering themselves irrelevant. Republican or Democrat, the executive becomes supreme.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:46:49pm

Was a counter report released? (asking for a very lazy friend).

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:47:41pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

Somehow, through Trump, we need to make that a lot more visible.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:48:40pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Hoyer is someone I wouldn’t mind saying good bye to in 2020.

While I am not always super thrilled by Pelosi’s leadership, I am glad she stuck around. Hoyer would likely have been next in line to be Speaker and would have drove me fucking nuts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:49:35pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

^^THIS^^ ^^SO MUCH THIS^^

I am so sick and tired of people saying “The Senate won’t convict, so why bother”

Fuck that noise.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:50:25pm

re: #257 Belafon

As wary as I am of how an impeachment will go, i don’t give a shit about Hoyer’s views after the way he’s acted toward Omar, AOC, and Tlaib.

those wimmin are uppity…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:50:46pm

re: #263 KGxvi

While I am not always super thrilled by Pelosi’s leadership, I am glad she stuck around. Hoyer would likely have been next in line to be Speaker and would have drove me fucking nuts.

I didn’t know much about Hoyer, but had a good impression whenever he spoke on TV. But after his comments on the “freshmen” Representatives (basically stabbing Omar in the back) I suspect he’s got judgment problems.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:51:10pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

She disgusts me. Lies repeatedly to the American people but did all she could to save her own skin.

Lying to the American public is legal. Lying to law enforcement is not. Apparently, she obeyed the law and answered Mueller’s questions honestly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:51:35pm

re: #263 KGxvi

While I am not always super thrilled by Pelosi’s leadership, I am glad she stuck around. Hoyer would likely have been next in line to be Speaker and would have drove me fucking nuts.

Hoyer is way, way too cautious. I know some don’t like Schumer but he’s AOC compared to Steny.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:54:29pm

re: #263 KGxvi

While I am not always super thrilled by Pelosi’s leadership, I am glad she stuck around. Hoyer would likely have been next in line to be Speaker and would have drove me fucking nuts.

Can you imagine him as leader with the Thee Amigas.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:54:31pm

re: #266 Barefoot Grin

I didn’t know much about Hoyer, but had a good impression whenever he spoke on TV. But after his comments on the “freshmen” Representatives (basically stabbing Omar in the back) I suspect he’s got judgment problems.

I forget where in MD his district is but he’s always been a pretty middle of the road type. I really don’t like how he handled Omar either. I mean even if you agree her comments about the Benjamins were wrong, you don’t fucking give Bibi what he wants with that crap while ignoring the big elephant in the room which is the GOP’s embrace of nationalism as their ideology. Rep. Omar never went after Jews. I thought it was interesting that most of the people who were angered by her comments were right wing Christians. And she was talking about them, people like Rubio who try to punish Americans who support BDS. I don’t support BDS for the record but one shouldn’t be punished for supporting it. Israel is an ally but it’s not beyond criticism. It would be if we punished Americans during the heart of the troubles that expressed criticism of the British government’s actions in Northern Ireland.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:54:44pm

I think they should move to impeach Barr. He swore an oath to protect the constitution and has not done so.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:55:15pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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^^THIS^^ ^^SO MUCH THIS^^

I am so sick and tired of people saying “The Senate won’t convict, so why bother”

Fuck that noise.

Impeachment is a political process, and that is how it will be judged.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:55:25pm

re: #267 Hecuba’s daughter

Lying to the American public is legal. Lying to law enforcement is not. Apparently, she obeyed the law and answered Mueller’s questions honestly.

That’s what I mean. It’s slimy shit. I do wonder though if telling the truth may get her booted though.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:56:47pm

re: #271 I Would Prefer Not To

I think they should move to impeach Barr. He swore an oath to protect the constitution and has not done so.

I’d like to see Barr disbarred, pun intended. He should haev never been able ot come back as AG after what he did in the early 90’s and that’s the only reason why he’s here. The guy is nothing but a fixer for GOP administration crimes. I hope we don’t hear from him again the next time a GOP administration does something shady.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:57:52pm

re: #261 I Would Prefer Not To

Was a counter report released? (asking for a very lazy friend).

Not yet. But considering how Barr’s little tap dance this morning went, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t just decide to scotch it altogether.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 2:59:07pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

those wimmin are uppity…

It’s hard to keep ‘em home once they’ve been in the House.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:01:00pm

re: #275 makeitstop

Not yet. But considering how Barr’s little tap dance this morning went, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t just decide to scotch it altogether.

I almost fell sorry for the staffers that have to try and write some BS all weekend long.

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Jay C  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:05:28pm

re: #231 Eric The Fruit Bat

If you want to see what the deniers go through….

JFC, this is stupid stuff, even by RWNJ standards. So, basically: “Well, Russia tried to fuck with our election, but they didn’t use missiles or paratroopers, so it’s all OK, and besides, Wilson sent troops over there in 1918, so who are we to talk?
I’m surprised he didn’t remind us that Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat, while he was at it….
Dumbshit.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:05:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:07:59pm

re: #279 Barefoot Grin

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Reminder again that he got over 40% of the vote running for Va’s Lt Governor. Totally different than when Obama creamed Alan Keyes for the Senate. A lot of people tried to retroactively accuse Northam of racism for refusing to shake Jackson’s hand at the debate. If you look at Jackson’s past, he’s said a lot of extremely homophobic crap and messed up shit about abortion rights.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:08:42pm

I have three reasons I worry about jumping into impeachment:
1. I lived through Clinton’s. The thing that kept him from being convicted was the public was not convinced he should be. That hurt Republicans.
2. I live in a very red area, so I see what a lot of people around here think of Trump. Someone even wrote G.O.A.T. for Trump at the gym.
3. Fox.

I want him out of office in 2020 and a Democrat in office and Democrats in control of both chambers. That is my only goal. Whatever makes that happen.

I think there are a lot of people who will have to be convinced. Right now, Manchin will vote against conviction, and there will probably be a few House Reps that Pelosi would have to let go. And that would destroy party unity. That’s why I think we will have to build up to it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:10:13pm

re: #278 Jay C

JFC, this is stupid stuff, even by RWNJ standards. So, basically: “Well, Russia tried to fuck with our election, but they didn’t use missiles or paratroopers, so it’s all OK, and besides, Wilson sent troops over there in 1918, so who are we to talk?
I’m surprised he didn’t remind us that Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat, while he was at it….
Dumbshit.

I suspect the Russophiles on the right will have a different tune if Bernie gets elected and it’s obvious that it was done to benefit Russia. Obviously, I hope that doesn’t happen but there’s no way in hell they’d be engaging in this kind of excuse making if it was Bernie beating let’s say Rubio with Russian help and interference.

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plansbandc  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:11:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:12:10pm

re: #45 rhuarc

Betty Cracker of Balloon Juice has a great article on why House Democrats must initiate impeachment procedures regardless of the fact that McConnell won’t convict in the Senate. This is a matter of upholding laws that underpin our democracy. Trump cannot be allowed to flout these laws and still remain in power without any consequences or being called on the carpet. Either we’re a democracy or we’re something else. House Democrats need to do their job and expose Trump for what he is: a despot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:13:00pm

moron is still askeert

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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:13:18pm

re: #281 Belafon

I have three reasons I worry about jumping into impeachment:
1. I lived through Clinton’s. The thing that kept him from being convicted was the public was not convinced he should be. That hurt Republicans.
2. I live in a very red area, so I see what a lot of people around here think of Trump. Someone even wrote G.O.A.T. for Trump at the gym.
3. Fox.

I want him out of office in 2020 and a Democrat in office and Democrats in control of both chambers. That is my only goal. Whatever makes that happen.

I think there are a lot of people who will have to be convinced. Right now, Manchin will vote against conviction, and there will probably be a few House Reps that Pelosi would have to let go. And that would destroy party unity. That’s why I think we will have to build up to it.

We are a representative government. It is now time for the public to weigh in. It is time for the media to make a change on how they see all of this so the public can start to get the real message. There has got to be heat put on all of congress.

Or, the Republicans will stonewall any impeachment and turn it all into a game to rile up that nasty base and try to sell America it was all a Democratic stunt to take down a president for politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:14:18pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:15:24pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

We are a representative government. It is now time for the public to weigh in. It is time for the media to make a change on how they see all of this so the public can start to get the real message. There has got to be heat put on all of congress.

Or, the Republicans will stonewall any impeachment and turn it all into a game to rile up that nasty base and try to sell America it was all a Democratic stunt to take down a president for politics.

Because that’s what the Clinton impeachment was for.

I’m curious if people think Clinton’s impeachment helped, hurt, or did nothing to our democracy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:15:25pm
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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:15:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:15:44pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is still askeert

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You know Donald, I can’t hear you because Jesse Walter’s balls are in your mouth. You weren’t framed, you weren’t fighting back,. You were afraid the truth would get out so you tried to get your underlings to lie for you and not even Sarah lied for you. Because as unethical as she is, she didn’t want to go to jail for you and I don’t blame her. You’re not worth the price of a prison handjob.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:15:58pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PIEROGIS!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:16:21pm

re: #281 Belafon

I have three reasons I worry about jumping into impeachment:
1. I lived through Clinton’s. The thing that kept him from being convicted was the public was not convinced he should be. That hurt Republicans.
2. I live in a very red area, so I see what a lot of people around here think of Trump. Someone even wrote G.O.A.T. for Trump at the gym.
3. Fox.

I want him out of office in 2020 and a Democrat in office and Democrats in control of both chambers. That is my only goal. Whatever makes that happen.

I think there are a lot of people who will have to be convinced. Right now, Manchin will vote against conviction, and there will probably be a few House Reps that Pelosi would have to let go. And that would destroy party unity. That’s why I think we will have to build up to it.

Got it. Senate may not convict, but a lot of evidence will come out. Most of it will have no effect on anyone, but some of it might convince independents in swing states to vote against the republicans.

There is no cross examination on Fox. I think republicans fear this and may encourage trump to resign.

Holding back is what often gets dems in trouble.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:16:59pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Reminder again that he got over 40% of the vote running for Va’s Lt Governor. Totally different than when Obama creamed Alan Keyes for the Senate. A lot of people tried to retroactively accuse Northam of racism for refusing to shake Jackson’s hand at the debate. If you look at Jackson’s past, he’s said a lot of extremely homophobic crap and messed up shit about abortion rights.

I hadn’t heard of him. Weird dude.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:17:24pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have to agree with AOC’s take. I understand the more cautious approach but at the same time, I think if you don’t impeach this, you set up a potentially troubling precedent down the road. Impeachment wasn’t created for political reasons, it was created so public officials who violated the law could be dealt with by Congress and in this case, the President did violate the law.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:17:52pm

And I was so close to deciding on Mayor Pete—-

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:18:08pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:18:39pm

re: #294 I Would Prefer Not To

Holding back is what often gets dems in trouble.

And I worry about that as well.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:18:49pm

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

I hadn’t heard of him. Weird dude.

I hadn’t either before he was the nom for Lt. Governor here. The Virginia GOP has nominated some real doozies since Tom Davis and John Warner retired. Hell George Allen looks reasonable compared to them and I’m talking about the guy who used a slur on an Indian-American student who was doing the usual campaign opps stuff.

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ipsos  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:19:02pm

re: #295 Barefoot Grin

I hadn’t heard of him. Weird dude.

Dude’s been around and crazy for a very, very long time. He was in Massachusetts, of all places, in the 80s and 90s.

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:19:22pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had the right to end the whole Witch Hunt if I wanted. I could have fired everyone, including Mueller, if I wanted. I chose not to. I had the RIGHT to use Executive Privilege. I didn’t!

You had a duty to honor the Constitution.

You didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:19:27pm

re: #297 Barefoot Grin

And I was so close to deciding on Mayor Pete—-

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Beto has better taste. And Phish being in town would make a trip to my dispensary tough.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:19:48pm

re: #301 ipsos

Dude’s been around and crazy for a very, very long time. He was in Massachusetts, of all places, in the 80s and 90s.

Oh so the Massholes shipped him down to us. Figures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:19:51pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:21:19pm

re: #297 Barefoot Grin

And I was so close to deciding on Mayor Pete—-

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Think of it as proof that you will never put him up on a pedestal: “I am ok with him as president, but PHISH?!!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:21:28pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I wonder if the Rich family can sue Assenge for this now that he’s out of the embassy. That shit alone is yeah why he’s awful. I am so glad that I never jumped on the Wikileaks is good boat that a lot of lefties did. I’m all for government transparency but I have never trusted WL i both their methods and we know now motivations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:21:36pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:21:41pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

PIEROGIS!

Pawrogis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:22:27pm

re: #309 wrenchwench

Pawrogis.

all the updings!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:23:06pm

re: #306 Belafon

Think of it as proof that you will never put him up on a pedestal: “I am ok with him as president, but PHISH?!!”

I can’t help but to think about what my Dad told me later after Bill’s first inaguaral which he took me to as a four and a half year old that he was glad that Bill won because the music would have been better than for H.W. Bush who was closer to his parents age than his age. He was joking since he’s a lifelong liberal minded guy but he was glad that the first Democratic President since Carter had good taste in tunes.

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ipsos  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:23:54pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Oh so the Massholes shipped him down to us. Figures.

“While running a Christian radio station in Boston in the 1980s, a small business Jackson had founded for this purpose accumulated nine state and federal tax liens within 10 years. A personal tax lien also was filed against him.

Jackson’s financial trouble resulted in a personal bankruptcy in 1993. Three years later, his wife also filed for bankruptcy.”

Looks like he was fleeing financial issues. Grifters gonna grift.

richmond.com

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:24:25pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Beto has better taste. And Phish being in town would make a trip to my dispensary tough.

Ha! Not only would the inaugural crowd double Trump’s, but you’d have to bus in food vendors. Side note: the sad truth is that many 30-something national reporters claim to be huge Phish fans, makes me suspect their journalistic integrity.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:24:51pm

re: #312 ipsos

“While running a Christian radio station in Boston in the 1980s, a small business Jackson had founded for this purpose accumulated nine state and federal tax liens within 10 years. A personal tax lien also was filed against him.

Jackson’s financial trouble resulted in a personal bankruptcy in 1993. Three years later, his wife also filed for bankruptcy.”

Looks like he was fleeing financial issues. Grifters gonna grift.

richmond.com

Ah that makes sense. I honestly didn’t know he had been around that long. I thought he was just some astroturf TP nutso.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:25:09pm

re: #306 Belafon

Think of it as proof that you will never put him up on a pedestal: “I am ok with him as president, but PHISH?!!”

Good point. It always helps to have something to fall back on when accused of idolizing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:25:17pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:26:01pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gravel!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:26:05pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:27:30pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:28:07pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

Impeach Trump. Impeach him in the House. Take up the investigation, one he CANNOT stop or obstruct, and impeach him if that’s where the evidence leads.

If the Senate then refuses to convict, refuses its duty, then make them fucking OWN it in 2020.

Let the nation know the true extent of his grift and how deeply he is beholden to foreign influences. If the Senate will not act, then let them go on the record as complicit.

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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:28:10pm

re: #297 Barefoot Grin

That’s a fun (and necessarily distracting, for the moment) game: who would you want to play your inauguration?

My list, in no particular order:

Jimmy Buffett (just not the national anthem, after what he did to it at the Saints-Rams game)
Beyonce (just watched her Coachella movie on Netflix and damn, she can put on a show)
Brian Setzer (especially if we can get a little swing going)
Valley Queen (a band that I saw one night at a small venue in Long Beach that has since shown up here on the tiny desk series - would love giving a little band “nobody’s heard of” that kind of big break)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:28:15pm
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ipsos  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:29:05pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Ah that makes sense. I honestly didn’t know he had been around that long. I thought he was just some astroturf TP nutso.

“Party of personal responsibility” and all that…

//

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:29:17pm

re: #281 Belafon

I have three reasons I worry about jumping into impeachment:
1. I lived through Clinton’s. The thing that kept him from being convicted was the public was not convinced he should be. That hurt Republicans.
2. I live in a very red area, so I see what a lot of people around here think of Trump. Someone even wrote G.O.A.T. for Trump at the gym.
3. Fox.

I want him out of office in 2020 and a Democrat in office and Democrats in control of both chambers. That is my only goal. Whatever makes that happen.

I think there are a lot of people who will have to be convinced. Right now, Manchin will vote against conviction, and there will probably be a few House Reps that Pelosi would have to let go. And that would destroy party unity. That’s why I think we will have to build up to it.

I am hoping for the Pelosi managed slow drip.

Someone is preparing the bullet points. Hammer it strongly & thoroughly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:29:50pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Today he also praised Dan Snyder as a “very good owner.” Daniel Snyder’s Washington Football team has never made a SB during his ownership or even a conference championship or even I believe consecutive division titles. Trump really is unintelligent. And I can tell you as LGF’s former resident paralegal that lawyers definitely do take notes. That was the first thing my boss told me to instruct our clerks on how we ran our ship.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:30:55pm

re: #321 KGxvi

That’s a fun (and necessarily distracting, for the moment) game: who would you want to play your inauguration?

My list, in no particular order:

Jimmy Buffett (just not the national anthem, after what he did to it at the Saints-Rams game)
Beyonce (just watched her Coachella movie on Netflix and damn, she can put on a show)
Brian Setzer (especially if we can get a little swing going)
Valley Queen (a band that I saw one night at a small venue in Long Beach that has since shown up here on the tiny desk series - would love giving a little band “nobody’s heard of” that kind of big break)

Upding for Valley Queen because I know them through reading about them on Paste as a good up and coming band. Man though, this is tough. I like where you’re going though. A little bit of everything for everyone which is what Bill did at the 1992 one. Sorry 1993 and I was 5 1/2 not 4 1/2.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:31:38pm

re: #285 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is still askeert

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He acts like the report said that Trump sat idly by while Mueller did his thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:32:02pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Today he also praised Dan Snyder as a “very good owner.” Daniel Snyder’s Washington Football team has never made a SB during his ownership or even a conference championship or even I believe consecutive division titles. Trump really is unintelligent. And I can tell you as LGF’s former resident paralegal that lawyers definitely do take notes. That was the first thing my boss told me to instruct our clerks on how we ran our ship.

One of my go-to rules in life is “If it ain’t written down, it didn’t happen.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:32:27pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You mean the same Russians that your dimwit father denied even interfered? You’re a dumbass Donnie Jr. Even a moron like your father sees you for what you are and that’s saying something. You would be just another broke loser if you weren’t born in to affluence.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:32:54pm

Evening Lizardim. Long time no see. How go things among the lizardfolk?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:33:40pm

re: #328 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of my go-to rules in life is “If it ain’t written down, it didn’t happen.”

There’s so much the lawyers have to know. Anyhow Roy Cohn. Love how Mr. Anti-Swamp talks romantically about Roy Cohn who was part of the Swamp when Trump was terrorizing his music teacher.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:33:52pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:36:02pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I would think more of my fellow Americans would resent a former KGB man fermenting our divisions to elect a profoundly unqualified man President would bother people. Russia wouldn’t win in a conventional war against the US but under the table stuff like what was done is how a country can do that. I’d say it’s akin to the sci fi movie trope where the alien takes control of a human host. That said, this never would have been possible without the right and left wingers who hated HRC so much that they were willing to do this shit.

I’m not surprised by it. Much of the hatred of the Soviet Union was based on envy. The authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives were so jealous of The Soviet Union’s ability to quash political dissent.

Now that ‘communism’ has been taken out of the equation they can admire Putin and his ability to quash political dissent, and they appreciate his help in doing it in America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:37:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:37:38pm

re: #333 Romantic Heretic

I’m not surprised by it. Much of the hatred of the Soviet Union was based on envy. The authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives were so jealous of The Soviet Union’s ability to quash political dissent.

Now that ‘communism’ has been taken out of the equation they can admire Putin and his ability to quash political dissent, and they appreciate his help in doing it in America.

I never thought about the right’s hatred o the USSR in that way. Speaking of the USSR though, I’m getting my father into Russian history. Russia’s history is one of my favorite historical topics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:38:04pm
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KGxvi  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:38:04pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Upding for Valley Queen because I know them through reading about them on Paste as a good up and coming band. Man though, this is tough. I like where you’re going though. A little bit of everything for everyone which is what Bill did at the 1992 one. Sorry 1993 and I was 5 1/2 not 4 1/2.

When I saw Valley Queen, they were still Mojo Stone, so I was legit in on the ground floor.

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gwangung  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:38:34pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Try for $2.5 million.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:39:11pm

re: #337 KGxvi

When I saw Valley Queen, they were still Mojo Stone, so I was legit in on the ground floor.

Ha! It’s cool to see a band before they get big. I saw uh Of Monsters and Men at the Fillmore in Silver Spring, Maryland and a few months later I was hearing them on the radio every day. That was pretty cool.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:39:39pm

re: #177 Backwoods_Sleuth

and melanoma looks like she’s making a fist

You try walking across a lawn in 6” stiletto shoes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:40:07pm

re: #336 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I like hearing this. As you guys know my grand uncle was a parish priest for a poor congregation in Louisiana. I’m happy that Notre Dame will be rebuilt but these churches need it more IMO.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:41:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:44:21pm

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:45:53pm

yeah, start with Barr.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:46:07pm

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

You try walking across a lawn in 6” stiletto shoes.

Extremely slow turf aeration. Needs ankle straps.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:47:18pm

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Correct. We started to get a clear picture of the depths Trump’s corruption.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:47:33pm

sigh

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:48:04pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

If I’m reading that paragraph in the tweet preview correct - and I like to think that I am - Mueller basically said, “I can’t impeach this motherfucker or indict him, but if it were up to me, I absolutely would.”

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:48:16pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:50:37pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

And this is why I love AOC.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:51:16pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:52:49pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:54:32pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

Bill Clinton was impeached. The Republicans love to hold that over our heads. If Trump were impeached, even if not convicted - as was the case with Clinton - wouldn’t that still be a huge black mark on his record?

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:55:35pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

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That latter point is a good one and something I had not considered.

Honestly, the biggest concern is that the media will have its thumb on the scale.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:56:13pm

re: #352 gocart mozart

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Pelosi had said there was no reason to impeach. That’s different than saying no basis and McConnell will do whatever Trump wants.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:57:00pm

re: #353 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

[…] If Trump were impeached, even if not convicted - as was the case with Clinton - wouldn’t that still be a huge black mark on his record?

More importantly (to me), Trump would hate it almost as much as getting convicted.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:57:20pm

re: #356 wrenchwench

More importantly (to me), Trump would hate it almost as much as getting convicted.

YES PLEASE.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 3:59:53pm
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piratedan  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:00:49pm

re: #354 Mike Lamb

to be honest, they will regardless, the key point being which channel offers them the better clickbait, because apparently that trait supersedes any other set of considerations, ethical, moral, legal….

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:02:41pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

I’m getting into Ancient History myself.

I just finished reading Ghost In The Throne which is about the death of Alexander The great and how his empire fell apart in less than a decade after his passing away.

Game of Thrones has nothing on the asshole in this book. The only halfway decent person involved made a great play for it but ended up strangled in his cell. At least Antigonus One Eye, a former friend, gave him a proper cremation.

Fascinating book.

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garzooma  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:04:16pm

re: #308 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Joshua Holland 🔥

@JoshuaHol
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Broken windows theory holds that ignoring small crimes & antisocial behavior leads to more serious crimes and worse behavior.

Impeachment Is the only Constitutional remedy for a lawless President*, and impunity is already leading him to escalate his assaults on the rule of law.

This is why I’m backing impeachment. It’s very easy for authoritarianism to take hold in a democracy. We don’t think so, because we haven’t seen it happen here. But it happens way more often than not elsewhere in the world. When you let the winner of an election use the power of the office to attack opponents and maintain power — and letting a president obstruct justice is exactly that — you’re making politics a blood sport and you become just another failed democracy.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:06:44pm

In the Nixon impeachment, the “process” began when the House Judiciary Committee began investigating whether Nixon should be impeached. That’s where we are now, and it should be Nancy’s next step.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:07:43pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:08:12pm

re: #338 gwangung

I’m not caught up but saw this

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:08:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:10:51pm

this is normal…

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Stanley Sea  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:11:30pm

re: #338 gwangung

Just looked, Chrissy Tiegen gave 20k

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:16:34pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:23:50pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:25:37pm

re: #340 The Vicious Babushka

You try walking across a lawn in 6” stiletto shoes.

2” max. I happen to like my feet (and ankles). And I stay the hell off of soft ground when wearing them.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:28:11pm

re: #361 garzooma

This is why I’m backing impeachment. It’s very easy for authoritarianism to take hold in a democracy. We don’t think so, because we haven’t seen it happen here. But it happens way more often than not elsewhere in the world. When you let the winner of an election use the power of the office to attack opponents and maintain power — and letting a president obstruct justice is exactly that — you’re making politics a blood sport and you become just another failed democracy.

As long as we win in 2020. I guarantee you the people around me will ne going apeshit. He’s the G.O.A.T. They’re not going to want to swallow this.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:28:38pm

re: #365 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lol. He can resign after Trump does.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:32:12pm

re: #368 gocart mozart

Chrissy Teigen is another national treasure.

I am loving all of the uppity women in all aspects of our discourse now. From Chrissy to Stormy to AOC to Nancy to Kamala…I can go on. Proud.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:33:28pm

re: #373 BlueGrl21

Chrissy Teigen is another national treasure.

I am loving all of the uppity women in our discourse now. From Chrissy to Stormy to AOC to Nancy to Kamala…I can go on. Proud.

I didn’t really like her to start with, but seeing some of her recent (last ~year ) Twitter has brought me around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:33:44pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:37:33pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Don’t forget that Cohn said “Trump posses ice water!” when Trump found out Cohn had AIDS and cut him loose.

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plansbandc  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:38:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:40:44pm

re: #377 plansbandc

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Had a friend of mine who did a jumping spinning roundhouse kick in high heels. I was deeply impressed.

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plansbandc  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:41:37pm
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Cheechako  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:43:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:44:22pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:44:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:45:08pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:45:28pm

Night Lizards. I got a yard to mow. And it’s not going to be fun. 1st time of the season.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:47:57pm

I’ve been trying to deal with some personal time, on the worst possible day it seems. Just catching up on all of it the best I can….

Trump needs to be impeached. On principle. Just fucking do it, and air it all out, there’s far more basis for it than a BJ, far more lies, far more actual genuine obstruction here to chase than anything Clinton ever did, and that shit haunts him to this day still. Clinton is still used as a bludgeon for every single thing the Dems try to do.

Turn Trump into a bludgeon that the GOP can’t get out from under. And as I said in the tweet, if people still rally around Trump and the GOP through all of this? Then the Republic was already lost before anything happened.

Just. Fucking. Do It.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:49:43pm

Only in 2019 could a report about investigation have to talk about itself.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:49:48pm

Here’s the current CBS news spin:

The release of the Mueller report finds the special counsel’s office found no evidence President Trump colluded with the Russia government. [emph mine] But Mueller details instances when the president tried to gain control over the probe. Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor and CBS News contributor, joins “CBS Evening News” to discuss.

Is the Mueller report a win for Trump?

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:51:12pm

re: #385 Citizen K

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I’ve been trying to deal with some personal time, on the worst possible day it seems. Just catching up on all of it the best I can….

Trump needs to be impeached. On principle. Just fucking do it, and air it all out, there’s far more basis for it than a BJ, far more lies, far more actual genuine obstruction here to chase than anything Clinton ever did, and that shit haunts him to this day still. Clinton is still used as a bludgeon for every single thing the Dems try to do.

Turn Trump into a bludgeon that the GOP can’t get out from under. And as I said in the tweet, if people still rally around Trump and the GOP through all of this? Then the Republic was already lost before anything happened.

Just. Fucking. Do It.

I just want him and the GOP to lose in 2020. Because our principles won’t survive 4 more years of him.

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Citizen K  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:51:23pm

re: #387 freetoken

Here’s the current CBS news spin:

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I swear to god, if I hear anyone moan about ‘liberal media’ again in my presence….just….fuck.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:52:46pm

I also expect the GOP to try to spin going after him for obstruction as being equivalent to Starr going after Clinton for covering up his affair.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:52:53pm

Any news presenter/show who thinks that “the president tried to gain control over the probe” is some sort of revelation simply has to be ignoring 3 years worth of Trump statements (tweets and others.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:53:54pm
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lawhawk  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:54:50pm

re: #391 freetoken

Any news presenter/show who thinks that “the president tried to gain control over the probe” is some sort of revelation simply has to be ignoring 3 years worth of Trump statements (tweets and others.)

That’s count one in an impeachment of Trump.

Along with every other instance of Trump interfering in the ongoing investigations, his firing of Comey, etc. Those all go directly to high crimes and impeachable offenses for which removal is the only response.

Let the GOP defend this indefensible bulkshit.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:55:23pm

re: #393 lawhawk

That’s count one in an impeachment of Trump.

Along with every other instance of Trump interfering in the ongoing investigations, his firing of Comey, etc. Those all go directly to high crimes and impeachable offenses for which removal is the only response.

Let the GOP defend this indefensible bulkshit.

I know what you were going for, but honestly, this is perfect as-is.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:55:24pm

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

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Total vindication would have been Mueller saying Trump did nothing wrong. He didn’t conclude that. We arguably don’t know the truth because Trump did everything to obstruct the investigation.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:56:32pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here kid, take a pass over these notes with your little machine there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:57:16pm

re: #390 Belafon

I also expect the GOP to try to spin going after him for obstruction as being equivalent to Starr going after Clinton for covering up his affair.

Let them. That won’t end well for them.

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wrenchwench  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:57:17pm

re: #394 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I know what you were going for, but honestly, this is perfect as-is.

That IS what he was going for. I think it’s copyrighted, or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:57:18pm
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Old Liberal  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:59:22pm

re: #281 Belafon

I have three reasons I worry about jumping into impeachment:
1. I lived through Clinton’s. The thing that kept him from being convicted was the public was not convinced he should be. That hurt Republicans.
2. I live in a very red area, so I see what a lot of people around here think of Trump. Someone even wrote G.O.A.T. for Trump at the gym.
3. Fox.

I want him out of office in 2020 and a Democrat in office and Democrats in control of both chambers. That is my only goal. Whatever makes that happen.

I think there are a lot of people who will have to be convinced. Right now, Manchin will vote against conviction, and there will probably be a few House Reps that Pelosi would have to let go. And that would destroy party unity. That’s why I think we will have to build up to it.

It will be June before the full report is released. We have SDNY and State of New York to weigh in. You don’t want impeachment hearings during the summer. Take time. build the case, get into October and then introduce articles of impeachment. Run the hearings into January before turning over to the Senate.

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BeachDem  Apr 18, 2019 • 4:59:28pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

This is 21st century warfare. Words and images on Twitter are the machine gun and fighter plane of this era. War is fought not for tangible territory but for ideas.

Also, 20th century—from The Monsters are Due on Maple Street—1960

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill, and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:00:25pm
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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:03:37pm

re: #387 freetoken

Here’s the current CBS news spin:

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That’s painful. Is it too hard to say “Mueller found numerous contacts between the Trump campaign and Russia, but believed he could not meet the evidentiary burden required to prove criminal conspiracy.”?

Fact is, Mueller did Trump a solid by repeatedly differentiating criminal conspiracy and colluding (I don’t mean to imply that it was intentional). In any normal sense of the word, they colluded. Clearly and unequivocally.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:05:10pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:05:15pm

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We’ve had our rescue now for almost six months. In the first couple of weeks she chewed up my son’s soccer cleats and a pair of my slippers (we learned to keep things away). But after that she was good. Today I came home to find a pair of my running shoes on the couch unchewed, but with a slobber mark on the cushion right next to them after she jumped off the sofa. She carefully brought both shoes onto the sofa to sleep with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:09:08pm
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ThomasLite  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:09:32pm

re: #405 Barefoot Grin

We’ve had our rescue now for almost six months. In the first couple of weeks she chewed up my son’s soccer cleats and a pair of my slippers (we learned to keep things away). But after that she was good. Today I came home to find a pair of my running shoes on the couch unchewed, but with a slobber mark on the cushion right next to them after she jumped off the sofa. She carefully brought both shoes onto the sofa to sleep with.

We have a dog like that in the family. Super, super-careful. Won’t even make stuff fall over, he’s so careful traipsing around everything. Wouldn’t ever chew anything (and hasn’t since puppyhood, over a decade now). Just occasionally, when you’re wondering where the other sock has gone, it’s on Micky’s pillow or basket or wherever he’s made his bed. Entirely unharmed of course, maybe just a little drooled on if he’s been using it as a pillow for a while. As far as doggy naughtiness goes, I’ll take it :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:09:41pm

pathetic

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:12:06pm

re: #407 ThomasLite

We have a dog like that in the family. Super, super-careful. Won’t even make stuff fall over, he’s so careful traipsing around everything. Wouldn’t ever chew anything (and hasn’t since puppyhood, over a decade now). Just occasionally, when you’re wondering where the other sock has gone, it’s on Micky’s pillow or basket or wherever he’s made his bed. Entirely unharmed of course, maybe just a little drooled on if he’s been using it as a pillow for a while. As far as doggy naughtiness goes, I’ll take it :)

I love it! Our Westie when I was growing up engaged in acts of small resistance. He would leave chunks of his (probably disgusting) Purina dog chow on the stairs for us to step on. I know he didn’t like it much, but there was no way my dad was going to pay for fancy dog food.

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piratedan  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:13:01pm

re: #408 Backwoods_Sleuth

he right, there was crime right there on the surface, he even admitted to obstruction Live and on TV in an interview with Lester Holt, so he’s absolutely right in saying it wasn’t hidden from view…. ////////////

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:14:09pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:19:26pm

re: #411 gocart mozart

That’s an AOC level tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:19:38pm

and he doesn’t look overly exonerated…

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ThomasLite  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:24:25pm

re: #409 Barefoot Grin

I love it! Our Westie when I was growing up engaged in acts of small resistance. He would leave chunks of his (probably disgusting) Purina dog chow on the stairs for us to step on. I know he didn’t like it much, but there was no way my dad was going to pay for fancy dog food.

Oi, doggy landmines. That’s a new one to me. Heh, the smaller the breed the more fierce and creative they can be about getting their own way, I suppose.
Can’t find a picture of ours with a sock now, but I do have one with a shoe he actually dragged over all the way from downstairs:

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(He’s a dutch sheepdog, they… don’t photograph easily indoors, what with the general fuzziness.)

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:24:30pm

Yeah, go ahead with impeachment, but just do it right.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:26:47pm

re: #406 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ask Elaine’s husband what Obama did you lying sack of shit.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:27:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:28:14pm

re: #415 Belafon

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Yeah, go ahead with impeachment, but just do it right.

Basically imo there’s circumstantial evidence that they did but not enough. That is NOT no collusion.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:28:57pm

re: #417 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Come on attempted obstruction, do they give away a prize for attempted chemistry?
Sideshow Don.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:35:03pm

still watching teevee…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:35:11pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Come on attempted obstruction, do they give away a prize for attempted chemistry?
Sideshow Don.

Attempted chemistry is what we used to call a “work accident” with the suicide bombers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:38:38pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:41:10pm

the flop sweat is flowing

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:43:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:43:26pm

re: #420 Backwoods_Sleuth

still watching teevee…

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Ever heard of John Gotti, Tucker? Oh and HRC was actually cleared of criminal wrongdoing yet you still want to jail her. STFU

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:44:04pm

re: #423 Backwoods_Sleuth

the flop sweat is flowing

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They’re scared. These aren’t people who won the day.

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:49:19pm

re: #417 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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The fact that McGahn disobeyed @realDonaldTrump and never executed Trump’s order to fire Mueller is irrelevant to the requirements for Obstruction of Justice. You only need to “endeavor” to obstruct justice to commit the crime

…and never told anyone that a crime was just committed

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:55:56pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:56:25pm

re: #413 Backwoods_Sleuth

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and he doesn’t look overly exonerated…

Melania could not answer this riddle:

Where do Generals keep their armies?

In their sleevies!

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makeitstop  Apr 18, 2019 • 5:57:34pm

re: #400 Old Liberal

It will be June before the full report is released. We have SDNY and State of New York to weigh in. You don’t want impeachment hearings during the summer. Take time. build the case, get into October and then introduce articles of impeachment. Run the hearings into January before turning over to the Senate.

That’s a great point. If the impeachment process started tomorrow, the public will have reached the burnout stage by the end of the year. The House can lay a lot of groundwork for impeachment by conducting hearing with everyone from Mueller on down over the summer, and then get serious about starting impeachment by the time the primaries are starting.

The greatest benefit of waiting would be that impeachment hearings would be going on in the thick of an election season, forcing Trump to devote time and resources to trying to spin back what would probably be daily revelations and (knowing what a punk he truly is) might even force him off the campaign trail if the heat got too much to bear.

But in Barr’s case, start that shit up in twenty minutes. That motherfucker should lose whatever semblance of a law license he’s still got, and should be so thoroughly humiliated that he’d never show his face in public again.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:02:58pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:04:13pm

re: #414 ThomasLite

Oi, doggy landmines. That’s a new one to me. Heh, the smaller the breed the more fierce and creative they can be about getting their own way, I suppose.
Can’t find a picture of ours with a sock now, but I do have one with a shoe he actually dragged over all the way from downstairs:

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(He’s a dutch sheepdog, they… don’t photograph easily indoors, what with the general fuzziness.)

:) Yeah, at first had a hard time seeing where the boot ended and the pup started.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:09:05pm

Yes he is up to a 355 tweet thread. A new indoor world record.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:09:27pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:10:47pm

I am not a fan of Seth Abramson.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:14:17pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

I am not a fan of Seth Abramson.

Why not?

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:14:36pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

I think he has been mostly correct in his analysis.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:19:32pm

Here are just a few of the reasons.

pastemagazine.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:19:46pm

re: #428 Charles Johnson

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Greenwald is a scumbag. He is no progressive. He just likes using the progressive movement’s naïveté.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:27:34pm

Two things seem pretty obvious to me:

1. Mueller would have indicted Trump on obstruction but for the DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president.

And

2. Kushner and Junior only avoided indictment because they didn’t know federal law.

So total exoneration, of course.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:28:25pm

I became aware of Abramson when he was was promoting LYING as a “meta-narrative” way to get Bernie Sanders elected, dressed up in a whole bunch of pseudo-intellectual postmodernism bullshit.

I do not trust anyone who thinks lying is an acceptable way to promote political ideas.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:30:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:32:09pm

re: #440 Mike Lamb

Two things seem pretty obvious to me:

1. Mueller would have indicted Trump on obstruction but for the DOJ policy against indicting a sitting president.

And

2. Kushner and Junior only avoided indictment because they didn’t know federal law.

So total exoneration, of course.

Especially number 1. The report seems pretty clear that Mueller thinks Congress should act on the obstruction which is why I vehemently disagree with what Hoyer said. If it was more unclear like it is on the collusion or more accurately conspiracy charges, then I would understand but it seems pretty clear to me that Trump did obstruct. I know we won’t get enough Republican votes to convict but to me that’s not the point. We need to put in the history book that Trump did obstruct justice but more importantly we need to set a precedent so a future President does not obstruct justice because “he’s upset by an investigation.”

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:32:54pm

re: #441 Charles Johnson

Perhaps Abramson is just another one of those who believe in a “post-Truth” view of the world, that all that will ever matter is perception, and that there is no objective reality.

There’s something very television-advertisement about this whole view of the world.

We could dig around the writings of Marshall McLuhan and probably find a warning about all of this.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:33:21pm
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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:34:03pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:34:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:35:33pm

re: #445 Charles Johnson

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He’s in a strong Democratic district. I understand why Dems in swing districts tend to be cautious but Hoyer has been there awhile and his district is going to stay Democratic when he dies or retires so why rule out impeachment completely? I think impeachment if done should be done correctly and thoroughly but I don’t like the idea of completely ruling it out either simply because the Republicans won’t vote for it. I want every last Republican in office to say they’re okay with obstructing an investigation into interference by a hostile power into our election.

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gocart mozart  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:36:53pm
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DodgerFan1988  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:36:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:37:00pm

re: #447 gocart mozart

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:37:14pm

re: #438 Charles Johnson

Here are just a few of the reasons.

pastemagazine.com

Damn. I didn’t know all that about him.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:38:02pm

re: #450 DodgerFan1988

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That’s the question I want to force every Republican to answer with impeachment. You impeached or supported the impeachment of a President over perjury and obstruction about a consensual affair. Why should Trump be protected?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:39:44pm

If the Senate won’t do shit, why bother with Impeachment proceedings?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:41:05pm

re: #452 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn. I didn’t know all that about him.

It’s pretty bad if Paste is calling you out for being too much of a Bernie Bro. I love their music stuff but their political stuff like Rolling Stone has become too bro lefty for me. I hate feeling that way. I TBH didn’t dislike HRC and I still don’t but I don’t like the narrative that the 2016 primary was establishment “neo libs” versus upstart “justice progressives.” Especially the hostility to establishment types that frankly did accomplish a lot of for us. Yes I would prefer the Dems be a litle more lefty on economics but I want it done smartly and not done led by a megalomaniac like Bernie that surrounds himself with yesmen and women like Trump.

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freetoken  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:42:24pm

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

If the Senate won’t do shit, why bother with Impeachment proceedings?

Besides the argument that investigating the Executive branch is the clear duty of Congress, the idea that the rule of law is a central tenet to society is a hill on which to die, I propose.

Now I do think that impeachment hearings need to be laid out very strategically. First there should be investigations in general, without explicit design to craft impeachment articles. And that is what I think is happening with a couple of House committees.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:42:26pm

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

If the Senate won’t do shit, why bother with Impeachment proceedings?

Principle. You need to establish a Congressional precedent that what Trump did was unlawful. I’m confident we’ll beat him in 2020 too but future Presidents need to know whether they’re living now or not that what was done was an impeachable offense.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:43:36pm

re: #456 freetoken

Besides the argument that investigating the Executive branch is the clear duty of Congress, the idea that the rule of law is a central tenet to society is a hill on which to die, I propose.

Now I do think that impeachment hearings need to be laid out very strategically. First there should be investigations in general, without explicit design to craft impeachment articles. And that is what I think is happening with a couple of House committees.

Yes, I’m for a smart impeachment. Don’t introduce articles immediately but drag it out some so the American people see this as an open investigation and give them a chance to fully process how Trump broke the law.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:43:36pm
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Archangelus  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:44:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:44:38pm

re: #459 Charles Johnson

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It frustrates me to no end Charles that so many people my age are so enamored with Bernie that they don’t get that they were fucking used.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:44:48pm

re: #460 Archangelus

Sex = bad. Putin = good. Got it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:45:50pm

re: #462 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sex = bad. Putin = good. Got it.

Well you know how the fundies are. They probably think now that it’s established that Putin helped Trump that Putin is a good man and they’ll add him to the foreign leaders they pray for like Bibi and Trump.

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:45:55pm

re: #454 Eclectic Cyborg

If the Senate won’t do shit, why bother with Impeachment proceedings?

-Discovery
-And to protect the integrity of the office of the presidency

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Archangelus  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:46:59pm

re: #461 HappyWarrior

It frustrates me to no end Charles that so many people my age are so enamored with Bernie that they don’t get that they were fucking used.

Swap “Bernie” with “Trump” and you’ve got an equally-troubling mindset on the right…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:49:26pm

re: #465 Archangelus

Swap “Bernie” with “Trump” and you’ve got an equally-troubling mindset on the right…

Sometimes I feel like I’m the only Millennial lefty that cannot stand Bernie Sanders. I know I;m not lol but man it’s tough because so many people in my age bracket think he’s what the Dems and left need. And I see and hear Bernie and I frankly see a lot of Trump in him. And that’s even without knowing the Russians used him. It’s how he carries himself. He’s hostile to the press and people who don’t think he’s all that. I still think NRO comparing him to Maduro was bullshit but he’s not very hostile to small letter d- democracy when it’s not going his way.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:49:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:49:44pm

I called Trump a foreign leader on purpose btw.

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teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:50:46pm

re: #447 gocart mozart

I love Walter. So pure.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:50:58pm

re: #467 Charles Johnson

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I hope that after she’s done with this that she won’t get any job but unfortunately we both know how the wingnut welfare racket is. She’ll probably get a cushy job with one of those “pro family” groups because she’s not blonde or skinny enough for FNC.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:51:08pm

re: #464 Man, DangerMan

-Discovery
-And to protect the integrity of the office of the presidency

It won’t protect the presidency unless the Senate is going to make it count. And Trump will continue blocking discovery, as they have done now.

If they’re going to do impeachment, they’re going to have to make it clear that they are doing exactly what the Constitution says they can do, show that they are doing their jobs, and deal with all of the death threats accordingly.

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teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:52:04pm
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Scottish Dragon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:52:05pm

Those hot takes just won’t bake themselves after all….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:52:47pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:52:57pm

re: #445 Charles Johnson

And his primary challenger:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:53:31pm

re: #473 Scottish Dragon

Those hot takes just won’t bake themselves after all….

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You mean the same report that concluded that he pretty much obstructed justice and should be impeached? And I got news for you Chris, outside your bubble, a lot of people are genuinely disgusted with Trump so shut the fuck up.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:54:23pm

re: #474 Charles Johnson

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That’s unfortunately probably true. There’s no rest with how terrible he is.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:54:53pm

Rudy making the case for corruption.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:55:34pm

re: #476 HappyWarrior

You mean the same report that concluded that he pretty much obstructed justice and should be impeached? And I got news for you Chris, outside your bubble, a lot of people are genuinely disgusted with Trump so shut the fuck up.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:55:44pm

The report seems to have rumpled the usual talking points.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:56:12pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:56:27pm

After taking a break to do laundry, I have concluded that impeachment is the correct course of action. trump has done nothing from protecting us from russian interference in our elections. The report (and all our intelligence agencies) are certain of this. His duty is to protect from all enemies and on this count alone he has failed. It doesn’t matter why. ITMFA

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:57:33pm

People do need to start making a big deal about Russian interference, independent of the obstruction.

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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:57:38pm

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Apr 18, 2019 • 6:58:14pm

re: #481 Charles Johnson

Hey Rudy: Bill Clinton was unavailable for comment.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:00:09pm

re: #473 Scottish Dragon

Those hot takes just won’t bake themselves after all….

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Charles Johnson  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:02:26pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:04:48pm
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jaunte  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:06:26pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:09:20pm

re: #474 Charles Johnson

From now on, we add every unspeakable act to the case for impeachment.

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Man; Anger; DangerMan  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:15:30pm

Pam Keith

@PamKeithFL
“I was gonna vote for the Dems, but they decided to impeach Trump for his many crimes & it’s made me so mad that I’m gonna vote for Trump & the GOP.”

-said NO VOTER, ANYWHERE, EVER!!

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7:21 PM - Apr 18, 2019 * Fort Pierce, FL

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:25:43pm

Barr looks like an evil Muppet.

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teleskiguy  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:28:52pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:32:34pm

re: #492 Belafon

Barr looks like an evil Muppet.

He looked like Elton to me. Listen to him sing…

Elton Barr…he writes the hits for Trump
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Archangelus  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:38:01pm
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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:43:04pm

dailykos.com

Former Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe announced on Wednesday evening that he would not join the Democratic presidential primary, explaining that he feels duty-bound to help flip his state’s closely divided—but Republican-held—legislature this fall.

McAuliffe noted that Virginia has “had a lot of problems” since February, when twin scandals engulfed Gov. Ralph Northam and Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax. Ordinarily, a party’s top statewide officials would be busy raising money to support their legislative candidates, but as this infographic vividly shows, Northam and Fairfax have been rendered impotent pariahs. Northam in fact has only raised $2,500 since his blackface debacle unfolded, something McAuliffe specifically cited in an interview with the New York Times.

McAuliffe is also setting an example other presidential hopefuls (would-be and actual) should follow. This week, Beto O’Rourke campaigned in Virginia on behalf of Democrats running for the legislature, saying, “We want to do everything we can to help you by bringing attention and focus, within the commonwealth and from without, on the importance of these next elections.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:44:38pm

re: #122 Eric The Fruit Bat

John Soloman over at the The Hill all but begs for a Nuremberg against the FBI, CIA, and the Obama administration.

Make sure that you add a comment about how vapid Solomon’s argument is. Mueller laid out evidence of the Trump campaign’s interaction with Russian operatives. Solomon is a joke.

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Belafon  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:47:08pm

Yesterday, Joker from the video game “Persona 5” was added to the Smash Bros video game on the switch. With this one, though, they didn’t just add a character. They added a level to represent the game, that changes colors and music to represent the other Persona games. They added a level builder. Joker’s moves and attacks are drawn from the game. They added other characters from Persona 5 as support. When he wins, the screens look like they’re from Persona 5 and not Smash.

My youngest is so excited.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:51:36pm

re: #496 Belafon

dailykos.com

Good move. Glad to see Beto is here. Maybe my district will be one he’ll visit.

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garzooma  Apr 18, 2019 • 7:52:27pm

re: #483 Belafon

People do need to start making a big deal about Russian interference, independent of the obstruction.

The obstruction is part of the Russian interference. Trump is an accessory after the fact.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2019 • 9:22:04pm

re: #461 HappyWarrior

It frustrates me to no end Charles that so many people my age are so enamored with Bernie that they don’t get that they were fucking used.

I know people much older who were and are enamored of Bernie— voters in their 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Some will vote for whoever is the Democratic but others are true fanatics. One has a FB post comparing the “Divisive Center” to the Unifying Left. I have no doubt she and her friends will let the country burn if Bernie is defeated by some corporatist (i.e. anyone not Bernie) for the nomination.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 18, 2019 • 9:27:08pm

re: #497 Patricia Kayden

Make sure that you add a comment about how vapid Solomon’s argument is. Mueller laid out evidence of the Trump campaign’s interaction with Russian operatives. Solomon is a joke.

Per Wikipedia, he was editor-in-chief of the Washington Times(a right-wing rag) and has been described as biased reporting in favor of conservatives, and of repeatedly manufacturing faux scandals.

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Teukka  Apr 18, 2019 • 10:10:26pm

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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He looks like a guy who sees a disaster coming and can’t do shit to stop it.


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