The Bob Cesca Podcast: The Chosen One

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Christmas Injury Lawyers:

The Chosen One — NSFW! The Goth Ninjas, Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson are here; Trump’s brain worms are on the march; Moscow Mitch is accidentally funny with his filibuster oped in the New York Times; Tom Cotton says Greenland was his idea; More drunken Larry Kudlow; Trump’s attack on the 14th Amendment; Jay Inslee is out; Joe Walsh is in; Ben Shapiro is an idiot; How the Civil War and Reconstruction inform today’s politics; With music by After The Fight and Pacific Standard; and more!

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223 comments

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:31:29pm

DOW now 600 down.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:33:43pm
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SteelPH  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:33:52pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

DOW now 600 down.

I’m so fucking tired of all this winning.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:35:42pm

re: #3 SteelPH

I’m so fucking tired of all this winning.

Well Metamucilini DID say we’d get tired of all that winning!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:35:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:35:54pm

So far today, I’ve gotten FOUR calls on my phone from different numbers, pushing not only the old “Department of Social Security Administration” scam, where they say they ‘suspended your account’ after detecting ‘fraudulent activity’, but also a new one, where ‘an arrest warrant has been issued on your name’, also releted to fraudulent activity on my Social Security account.

I can only imagine what happens in an old person’s mind when they get these calls. The idea of not getting your Social Security benefits, plus whatever level of senility they suffer from, must make these calls very frightening!

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b.d.  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:37:28pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:37:38pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Refresh

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:38:38pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

DOW now 600 down.

WHEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:39:06pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:40:14pm
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William Lewis  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:41:39pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’m tempted to say “no shit” < whistles innocently >

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:43:06pm

re: #12 William Lewis

I’m tempted to say “no shit” < whistles innocently >

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:46:24pm
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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:47:36pm

I was very angry earlier this week that the President of the United States saw fit to whip up hatred toward me and my family by calling us “disloyal” for daring to see the situation in Israel differently than he and Netanyahu do.

Today I am downright frightened. What he’s done today to throw the market into panic not only fucks with the ability of millions of Americans to retire, it shows a shocking (yes, even for him) lack of judgement that indicates a dangerous level of delusion. I hate to insult people suffering from mental illness by calling Trump mentally ill, but the man is not even close to being fit for office.

This is a new level of panic for me. It’s beyond time for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. I am sincerely concerned that our country and our world cannot deal with even another 18 months of this.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:48:52pm

re: #15 lawhawk

[The Dow is down 573 points perhaps on the news that Representative Seth Moulton, whoever that may be, has dropped out of the 2020 Presidential Race!

How am I supposed to respond to a tweet like this? MY first thoughts are violence. No one likes to be mocked, but especially from the POTUS. It’s beyond evil. Hell is too good for this POS.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:53:15pm

WTFITS

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:53:30pm

re: #7 b.d.

The Chinese leadership has no fear of Trump. They know full well he’s a paper tiger.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:54:29pm

Down over 700 and falling.

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SteelPH  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:54:54pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

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The Chinese leadership has no fear of Trump. They know full well he’s a paper tiger.

They know full well what’s left of his mental state is crumbling before their very eyes.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:55:08pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:55:51pm

Trump ordering companies to relocate their manufacturing would indeed be a sign of fascism if companies felt obliged to comply with this order; they will, instead, ignore it. There may be some that have been considering other locations anyway (e.g. Viet Nam) but Trump has reduced our government to a paper tiger that no one — business or foreign adversaries — takes seriously, except for farmers who have been devastated financially by his missteps.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:57:10pm

re: #21 SteelPH

They know full well what’s left of his mental state is crumbling before their very eyes.

Oh yeah. They watch the same news we do. And of course, Chinese news media is all too gleeful to report “Hey, folks! The President of the United States thinks he’s some kind of god! He called himself ‘The Chosen One’ on live TV! AHAHAHAHAHA!!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:57:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:57:24pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

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The Chinese leadership has no fear of Trump. They know full well he’s a paper tiger.

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danarchy  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:58:12pm

re: #16 bratwurst

Today I am downright frightened. What he’s done today to throw the market into panic not only fucks with the ability of millions of Americans to retire, it shows a shocking (yes, even for him) lack of judgement that indicates a dangerous level of delusion. I hate to insult people suffering from mental illness by calling Trump mentally ill, but the man is not even close to being fit for office.

This is a new level of panic for me. It’s beyond time for the 25th Amendment to be invoked. I am sincerely concerned that our country and our world cannot deal with even another 18 months of this.

A large one day drop in the market hardly elicits a yawn from me these days. I’ll worry if the market strings together a few days of big losses and and at least a 10% overall drop.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:59:10pm

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

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And the only reason he delayed those tariffs is because he was worried it would hit the holiday shopping season later this year.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 23, 2019 • 12:59:18pm

re: #13 Blind Frog Belly White

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

BOOO!

Giphy

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:00:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:03:53pm

This guy gets worse every goddamn day.

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steve_davis  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:05:16pm

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

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the pie looks good but I’m now eating dinner after my third and final class of the day, and I’m contemplating filling the glass once again with bota box and retiring to a weekend of jack aubrey and stephen maturin. I want to read all 20 completed novels again, though that will take me a bit longer than the weekend.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:05:16pm

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

And the only reason he delayed those tariffs is because he was worried it would hit the holiday shopping season later this year.

But since the Chinese are paying the tariffs, surely it must have been THEIR Christmas season he didn’t want to damage, right?
///

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:06:12pm

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

Can I send you my address for same day delivery?

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:06:23pm

re: #27 danarchy

A large one day drop in the market hardly elicits a yawn from me these days. I’ll worry if the market strings together a few days of big losses and and at least a 10% overall drop.

My issue has much more to do with his lack of understanding of the importance of a Federal Reserve independent of politics and making a Seth Moulton joke as millions of people panic about losing their savings than a large one day drop in the market.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:06:46pm

I really don’t understand the point of starting a recession right before an election, but what do I know, I went to kollege.

The cynic in me fears that if the economy gets bad enough he can declare national emergency……

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SteelPH  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:08:03pm

re: #36 I Would Prefer Not To

I really don’t understand the point of starting a recession right before an election, but what do I know, I went to kollege.

The cynic in me fears that if the economy gets bad enough he can declare national emergency……

To blame it on the opposition and hope the public will be stupid enough to buy it.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:10:43pm

re: #33 Blind Frog Belly White

But since the Chinese are paying the tariffs, surely it must have been THEIR Christmas season he didn’t want to damage, right?
///

LOL

I do online tutoring, and I have quite a few students from the PRC. I’ll have to ask them this weekend what’s being reported in the Chinese media about all this; they’re straight forward and quite a few of them are in the business community so I’m interested in hearing their take on all this.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:10:47pm

re: #36 I Would Prefer Not To

I really don’t understand the point of starting a recession right before an election, but what do I know, I went to kollege.

The cynic in me fears that if the economy gets bad enough he can declare national emergency……

I saw a tweet today, which I won’t bother to look up, that said his economic advisers started warning him this month that there are signs of a possible downturn on the horizon. He has NO OTHER CASE to make for reelection other than the economy, to anyone beyond his white nationalist base, so if the economy goes South he knows he’s royally fucked - and not like when he pretended Princess Di was calling him wanting to go out.

The tweet also mentioned that these same signs were clear to REAL economists several months prior.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:12:11pm

We will be truly fucked if Trump gets another SCOTUS appointment.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:12:42pm

re: #23 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump ordering companies to relocate their manufacturing would indeed be a sign of fascism if companies felt obliged to comply with this order; they will, instead, ignore it. There may be some that have been considering other locations anyway (e.g. Viet Nam) but Trump has reduced our government to a paper tiger that no one — business or foreign adversaries — takes seriously, except for farmers who have been devastated financially by his missteps.

Moving production to other countries, like Vietnam for example, would have been easier if we were signatories to the Trans Pacific Partnership… but that was negotiated and signed by Obama, so of course Trump had to pull us out of it and give China a better hand in the international market place.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:13:04pm

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a tweet today, which I won’t bother to look up, that said his economic advisers started warning him this month that there are signs of a possible downturn on the horizon. He has NO OTHER CASE to make for reelection other than the economy, to anyone beyond his white nationalist base, so if the economy goes South he knows he’s royally fucked - and not like when he pretended Princess Di was calling him wanting to go out.

The tweet also mentioned that these same signs were clear to REAL economists several months prior.

And Trump’s advisers know damn well they have to walk on eggshells around him because he’ll pitch an absolute temper tantrum at any suggestion that his idiocy is responsible for a downturn.

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danarchy  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:14:29pm

After China announced their tariffs the market was up modestly because they had been expecting that move from China. It didn’t really tank until Trump’s tweet. I predict over the weekend, they are going to realize his tweet is meaningless and there will be a bit of a bounce back. The China uncertainty is still going to dampen things but I doubt this is the start of a trend.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:16:20pm

re: #27 danarchy

A correction in the DJIA would mean that from the recent high of 27,349, you’d have to get down to 24614. We’re more than 1,000 points from that level with today’s close at 25,628.90 - we’re just about at a 5% drop from the recent highs.

So yeah, it’s a roller coaster ride, but with Trumpworld, who knows who in the admin is profiting from every utterance he spews among his friends and family.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:16:22pm

re: #42 Dr Lizardo

And Trump’s advisers know damn well they have to walk on eggshells around him because he’ll pitch an absolute temper tantrum at any suggestion that his idiocy is responsible for a downturn.

Being a White House staffer is its own reward. It’s amazing that they accept a paycheck.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:18:19pm

A thought: Companies that pay off the college debt of their employees get to claim them on taxes.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:19:46pm

re: #46 Belafon

I thought: Companies that pay off the college debt of their employees get to claim them on taxes.

has anyone heard of the forgiven loans are gonna be classified as taxable income?

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:20:52pm

re: #46 Belafon

A thought: Companies that pay off the college debt of their employees get to claim them on taxes.

As dependents?

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:20:52pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:21:31pm

re: #47 DangerMan

has anyone heard of the forgiven loans are gonna be classified as taxable income?

Part of the noise surrounding the disabled vet forgiveness said specifically that it was not to be taxable. IOW—Who knows?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:22:28pm
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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:26:19pm

re: #41 KGxvi

Companies are always on the hunt for cheaper production markets. They have already been moving clothing to places like Honduras, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc., but as those areas see higher costs, they move elsewhere. But spotting where to build new factories and invest in the supply chains takes time and money to set up.

It’s faster with some kinds of tech, like software, which can be done pretty much anywhere, but many companies outsource to India.

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Mescalero09  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:26:34pm

Trumps next move is to announce on national TV at 9PM one night that all we are asking for is “Sudetenland. Some call it Greenland, some call it other names. But it has a long history with America as some of the first white people came from there. But that is all we ask. And will pay a fair and equitable price. And if the disloyal among us do not approve, well I’m not sure what could happen.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:27:18pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

FIVE times.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:28:13pm

re: #53 Mescalero09

Trumps next move is to announce on national TV at 9PM one night that all we are asking for is “Sudetenland. Some call it Greenland, some call it other names. But it has a long history with America as some of the first white people came from there. But that is all we ask. And will pay a fair and equitable price. And if the disloyal among us do not approve, well I’m not sure what could happen.”

“President Trump will be speaking to you from his own Lebensraum….”

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:28:20pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

As dependents?

The debt, not the people.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:30:06pm

re: #46 Belafon

I thought: Companies that pay off the college debt of their employees get to claim them on taxes.

I think there’s a tax break for companies that pay for tuition of current employees, up to about $5k or so. But then you run into problems where companies will expect an employee to stay on the payroll for a while or refund them the money.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:30:36pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Primanti’s pastrami sandwich

That’s from Primanti Bros. at their original store location. Hot pastrami, vinegar slaw, tomatoes, lettuce, and hot fries on a hand slice bread. Definitely a good sandwich.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:30:49pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:31:34pm

re: #51 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A buddy of mine had their new sandwich and said it is delicious and way better than Chik-fil-at (not hard to do). Friends went at lunch to get a bunch for us and the line was out the damn door.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:32:42pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Tom not so Terrific.

Dude got slapped down in official USPTO filing denial. Instead of withdrawing app, he reaffirmed that the one and only Tom Terrific is Seaver.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:33:19pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:33:40pm

Donnie was correct….all this winning is getting exhausted. Please, no more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:34:05pm

re: #60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

A buddy of mine had their new sandwich and said it is delicious and way better than Chik-fil-at (not hard to do). Friends went at lunch to get a bunch for us and the line was out the damn door.

They put in a Popeye’s near our old location, but it didn’t open till we moved to the new location, and now it’s a little far to justify going to for lunch.

I think I’ll wait till the furor dies down, then go get one.

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Mescalero09  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:34:34pm

re: #55 Blind Frog Belly White

“Speaking live to you tonight from Fortress Mar-A-Lago in the Free State Of Florida Man
is our Glorious Leader General Trump. All Rise….”

I am the chosen One.
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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:35:07pm

re: #57 KGxvi

I think there’s a tax break for companies that pay for tuition of current employees, up to about $5k or so. But then you run into problems where companies will expect an employee to stay on the payroll for a while or refund them the money.

I got a bonus when I hired here that required me to stay for 18 months. I don’t see a requirement for staying being that bad, as long as it’s limited.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:35:15pm

re: #60 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Friends went at lunch to get a bunch for us and the line was out the damn door.

When I was domiciled in the Twin Cities the majority of the KFC outlets closed and were replaced by Popeye’s. I love Popeye’s spicy tenders.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:35:19pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Yikes!

Makes me glad we had a Japanese nanny. If anything she was more lenient with us than Americans would typically have been in those days. It’s been 64 years and I still stay in contact with her. She eventually became an English teacher and school administrator and is still very active at age 88.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:36:42pm

re: #58 lawhawk

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That’s from Primanti Bros. at their original store location. Hot pastrami, vinegar slaw, tomatoes, lettuce, and hot fries on a hand slice bread. Definitely a good sandwich.

Not a good sandwich. A great one.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:38:16pm

re: #65 Mescalero09

Oh, Trump and Idi Amin would’ve gotten along famously, I don’t doubt it.

All righty, then. Gonna call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:38:33pm

re: #62 The Pie Overlord!

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Well done on her part. It won’t stop the usual suspects from attacking her but she’s doing the right thing.

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Mescalero09  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:39:53pm

re: #70 Dr Lizardo

“Great people. Great. Did you see how much fertilizer they produced from next to nothing? Great business. Love them.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:40:24pm

re: #66 Belafon

I got a bonus when I hired here that required me to stay for 18 months. I don’t see a requirement for staying being that bad, as long as it’s limited.

Federal employees who take a government-paid move accept an obligation as long as 3 years, with the costs pro-rated.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:40:49pm
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Mescalero09  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:45:33pm

Need to find this in quantity….

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:46:13pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:47:07pm

Administration Seeks To Legalize Firing Gay Workers

“The Trump administration took its hardest line yet to legalize anti-gay discrimination on Friday when it asked the Supreme Court to declare that federal law allows private companies to fire workers based only on their sexual orientation,” BuzzFeed News reports.

“An amicus brief filed by the Justice Department weighs in on two cases involving gay workers and what is meant by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which bans discrimination ‘because of sex.’ The administration argues courts nationwide should stop reading the civil rights law to protect gay, lesbian, and bisexual workers from bias because it was not originally intended to do so.”

imagine applying that logic to, oh i dont know, maybe the 2A?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:49:09pm

re: #77 DangerMan

Administration Seeks To Legalize Firing Gay Workers

imagine applying that logic to, oh i dont know, maybe the 2A?

But, you know, Trump said he got an award from the Log Cabin Republicans because he’s so good on LGBT issues!

Narrator voice: He didn’t.

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lawhawk  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:49:10pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

So porn and the Internet is a government conspiracy? Who knew?!

The Internet Is For Porn - CLICK LINK FOR IMPROVED VERSION!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:50:32pm

re: #77 DangerMan

Administration Seeks To Legalize Firing Gay Workers

imagine applying that logic to, oh i dont know, maybe the 2A?

Assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:50:44pm

re: #46 Belafon

A thought: Companies that pay off the college debt of their employees get to claim them on taxes.

Employees would probably have to declare the paid off debt as income

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:50:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:51:22pm

We do need a federal law protecting lgbt people that said so this crap is harder.

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:52:02pm
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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:52:12pm

re: #75 Mescalero09

Need to find this in quantity….

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I do believe that is Buttercup at the Sloth rescue center in Central America.

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jaunte  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:53:46pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:54:32pm

re: #84 bratwurst

I like Ambassador Mollari’s take on the Trump administration:

Arrogance and Stupidity Londo Mollari

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:56:01pm

re: #62 The Pie Overlord!

You are either serious about protecting religious minorities of all stripes or you are not serious about any.

omar heard me through the ether:

you either mean liberty and justice for all, or you don’t
it’s right there in the pledge

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Dr. Matt  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:56:41pm

There will be a book chapter from the book detailing Donnie’s lunacy named: From I’m the Chosen One to I hereby Order.

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Belafon  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:59:23pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

We do need a federal law protecting lgbt people that said so this crap is harder.

It’s time to write a law that says that unless something impacts a persons ability to do their job, you can’t use it as a reason to keep them from working. And, you must reasonably accomodate any conditions that do (if most of the work at a company is sitting in front of a computer, for example, then you can’t penalize a person for not being able to lift 20 lbs.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:59:31pm

re: #89 Dr. Matt

There will be a book chapter from the book detailing Donnie’s lunacy named: From I’m the Chosen One to I hereby Order.

Where the usual assholes try to act like they were moderating influences on him.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 1:59:45pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Employees would probably have to declare the paid off debt as income

normally forgiven debt is, yes.
im fine with totally disabled vets being excluded

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:00:00pm

re: #90 Belafon

It’s time to write a law that says that unless something impacts a persons ability to do their job, you can’t use it as a reason to keep them from working. And, you must reasonably accomodate any conditions that do (if most of the work at a company is sitting in front of a computer, for example, then you can’t penalize a person for not being able to lift 20 lbs.)

Agreed$

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:03:01pm

re: #90 Belafon

It’s time to write a law that says that unless something impacts a persons ability to do their job, you can’t use it as a reason to keep them from working. And, you must reasonably accomodate any conditions that do (if most of the work at a company is sitting in front of a computer, for example, then you can’t penalize a person for not being able to lift 20 lbs.)

- how about a person’s private life is not their employer’s goddamned business
- unless it impacts the employer’s business

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:04:17pm
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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:04:31pm

re: #77 DangerMan

The administration argues courts nationwide should stop reading the civil rights law to protect gay, lesbian, and bisexual workers from bias because it was not originally intended to do so.”

Alternative argument:

Firing someone because of their sexual orientation is also discrimination based on religion. Because the only argument an employer can offer is that employing someone of a non-cis/non-straight orientation violates the employer’s religious beliefs, which are obviously different from the employee’s religious beliefs. Ergo, religious discrimination.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:04:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:05:01pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Oh.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:06:39pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Seriously…. Good Job!

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:06:58pm
“I don’t know if he has early stage dementia, but he does have early stage fascism.”

- Anthony Scaramucci

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:07:59pm

re: #94 DangerMan

- how about a person’s private life is not their employer’s goddamned business
- unless it impacts the employer’s business

Exactly. If you can’t employ people based on sexuality, then you shouldn’t be employing people at all imo.

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Cheechako  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:08:07pm

I expect, when the Democrats take power, the ability of the President to impose tariffs will be severely curtailed.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:08:29pm

re: #100 DangerMan

- Anthony Scaramucci

I’m glad he’s saying this but wtf took him so long.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:08:32pm

re: #96 KGxvi

Alternative argument:

Firing someone because of their sexual orientation is also discrimination based on religion. Because the only argument an employer can offer is that employing someone of a non-cis/non-straight orientation violates the employer’s religious beliefs, which are obviously different from the employee’s religious beliefs. Ergo, religious discrimination.

oh that’s very good
i’ll be totally stealing and employing elsewhere

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:09:08pm

re: #102 Cheechako

I expect, when the Democrats take power, the ability of the President to impose tariffs will be severely curtailed.

Honestly, his use of tariffs should be another article of impeachment for abuse of power/office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:10:32pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:10:35pm
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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:10:40pm

Ugh.

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wrenchwench  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:12:58pm
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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:14:02pm

NY Magazine

“With a China less willing to back down and a trade war maybe too far along to stop, the president is backed into a corner. He may feel he can’t save the economy by folding. And so he may follow his instinct — one of the few consistent policy views he has expressed for decades — that protectionism is good for the economy, and that despite what the markets and his advisers are telling him, trade wars are good and easy to win and more tariffs and more disruption will only mean more winning for the U.S.

“What the president showed us today is he’s prepared to hit the gas as he approaches the cliff. That should make us all worried about the economic outlook — and it should make Republicans very worried about the political outlook.”

this is how every gambler thinks

‘im due’. ‘one more big score’, whatever.

odd that when he owned a casino he couldnt capitalize on this

and ps - he wont do this (more tariffs) based on “instinct”
he’ll do it because it’s the only play he knows

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:14:19pm
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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:14:39pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:15:16pm
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Jay C  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:15:37pm

re: #6 Blind Frog Belly White

So far today, I’ve gotten FOUR calls on my phone from different numbers, pushing not only the old “Department of Social Security Administration” scam, where they say they ‘suspended your account’ after detecting ‘fraudulent activity’, but also a new one, where ‘an arrest warrant has been issued on your name’, also releted to fraudulent activity on my Social Security account.

I can only imagine what happens in an old person’s mind when they get these calls. The idea of not getting your Social Security benefits, plus whatever level of senility they suffer from, must make these calls very frightening!

Weird, I got that very same scam call (minus the “arrest warrant” shit) on my cell just yesterday. I reported it via the SSA website. NOT an easy process.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:16:24pm

re: #112 bratwurst

An Illinois resident just died from a mysterious vaping-related illness. It could be the first death linked to vaping in the U.S.

Way back in the late 80s the death of one child inspired a grieving father to get lawn darts banned from sale forever.

Something tells me big tobacco is going to be harder to take down than big lawn dart.

Let’s use Lawn Darts to take down big tobacco!!!
///

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:16:55pm

re: #112 bratwurst

An Illinois resident just died from a mysterious vaping-related illness. It could be the first death linked to vaping in the U.S.

Way back in the late 80s the death of one child inspired a grieving father to get lawn darts banned from sale forever.

Something tells me big tobacco is going to be harder to take down than big lawn dart.

That’s a vice I’m glad I haven’t picked up. While teen cigarette smoking is down, vaping among teens is up.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:17:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:17:49pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

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“Nice marmot.”

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:17:54pm

re: #110 DangerMan

NY Magazine

this is how every gambler thinks

‘im due’. ‘one more big score’, whatever.

odd that when he owned a casino he couldnt capitalize on this

and ps - he wont do this (more tariffs) based on “instinct”
he’ll do it because it’s the only play he knows

I’d make one slight adjustment… it’s how gambling addicts think. The smart/good pro poker players are self-aware enough that they know they have to study and review their actions and possibly change strategies based on situations.

Gambling addicts, like all addicts, generally lack that self-awareness and discipline. I’m willing to bet we can find many examples from his public life to suggest that Trump displays classic addict traits and tendencies, and because he lacks self-awareness and discipline (internal or external), he lets those traits run his entire life.

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:18:08pm

re: #112 bratwurst

An Illinois resident just died from a mysterious vaping-related illness. It could be the first death linked to vaping in the U.S.

Way back in the late 80s the death of one child inspired a grieving father to get lawn darts banned from sale forever.

Something tells me big tobacco is going to be harder to take down than big lawn dart.

Vaping isn’t Big Tobacco, per se. Lots of small players. I’m sure BT would love to see them go away.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:19:07pm
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makeitstop  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:19:14pm

So, the very day we decide to go on vacation, our neighborhood lost power. Our house has been without electricity for two days.

Should we just roll the fridge out to the curb when we get home next week? Asking for my wife.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:20:02pm

re: #92 DangerMan

normally forgiven debt is, yes.
im fine with totally disabled vets being excluded

there already is a program for that

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:20:11pm

re: #112 bratwurst

Way back in the late 80s the death of one child inspired a grieving father to get lawn darts banned from sale forever.
.

And yet a mountain of bullet riddled corpses has still led us to do absolutely nothing about guns.

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KGxvi  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:21:32pm

re: #114 Jay C

Weird, I got that very same scam call (minus the “arrest warrant” shit) on my cell just yesterday. I reported it via the SSA website. NOT an easy process.

I no longer answer phone calls from numbers that aren’t in my phone. If they don’t leave a message they get blocked. If they are a scam and leave a message they get blocked.

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:27:15pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

That’s a vice I’m glad I haven’t picked up. While teen cigarette smoking is down, vaping among teens is up.

Vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking for the simple reason that pretty much everything on earth is safer than smoking. There is a legitimate harm reduction argument to be made in favor of giving smokers this option.

Having said that, the very limited regulatory oversight seems destined to lead to more corpses.

re: #120 MsJ

Vaping isn’t Big Tobacco, per se.

This was true as of a few years ago. Now, not so much.

Marlboro owner invests $12.8 billion in e-cigarette maker Juul
Altria owns 35 percent of the company, which is now valued at $38 billion.

Vuse is owned by R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company, a subsidiary of Reynolds American Inc

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:28:15pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

And yet a mountain of bullet riddled corpses has still led us to do absolutely nothing about guns.

Well, now, that’s not entirely true. It inspired lots of Americans to go buy even more guns.

Wish I were ///ing.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:31:00pm

re: #119 KGxvi

I’d make one slight adjustment… it’s how gambling addicts think. The smart/good pro poker players are self-aware enough that they know they have to study and review their actions and possibly change strategies based on situations.

Gambling addicts, like all addicts, generally lack that self-awareness and discipline. I’m willing to bet we can find many examples from his public life to suggest that Trump displays classic addict traits and tendencies, and because he lacks self-awareness and discipline (internal or external), he lets those traits run his entire life.

point taken
- sometimes i assume everyone knows what im thinking
- then again we are talking trump here, so we know i wasnt in the “smart/good pro” ballpark ;-)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:32:29pm

re: #126 bratwurst

Vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking for the simple reason that pretty much everything on earth is safer than smoking. There is a legitimate harm reduction argument to be made in favor of giving smokers this option.

Having said that, the very limited regulatory oversight seems destined to lead to more corpses.

This was true as of a few years ago. Now, not so much.

Marlboro owner invests $12.8 billion in e-cigarette maker Juul
Altria owns 35 percent of the company, which is now valued at $38 billion.

Vuse is owned by R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company, a subsidiary of Reynolds American Inc

True. Just a shame to see kids addicted that young.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:32:52pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

And yet a mountain of bullet riddled corpses has still led us to do absolutely nothing about guns.

lawn darts arent in the constitution

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:33:45pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

True. Just a shame to see kids addicted that young.

Ever seen “Thank you for smoking”? Really great, underrated movie IMO.

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:34:20pm

re: #41 KGxvi

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:34:51pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

Ever seen “Thank you for smoking”? Really great, underrated movie IMO.

Yep.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:37:46pm

I’m going to hold to this:

A lot of what people think is Trump “crazy” is narcissism…not necessarily at a clinical level…compounded by a life of privilege such that “being a person” and “knowing stuff” could be opted out of—capped off by being elected to a position that’s arguably the most powerful in the world.

He is not just a bullshitter, but a person who really believes that his bullshit should go unchallenged, because there is no such thing as truth, or honesty, or morals and ethics that dictate plain speech. He’s not insane, he’s just doesn’t care about human beings as human beings and has done so for so long that his attempts to hide it come across as stilted. There’s few mysteries and basically no subtext; his “jokes” are confessions, his accusations are confessions, because he’s lived isolated from anyone telling him “No.”

Trump has a very predictable pattern of drama-starting, intentionally violating personal boundaries to demonstrate power and license, framing complex issues as black-and-white, punishing people that shame him, and praise-seeking behavior. He gets manic when he’s in front of a cheering crowd, and goes limp like a sulky child when he’s cornered into doing a retraction or a pro forma statement. Twitter is very clearly where he both gets his fix of adulation—hence retweeting anything that’s positive—and most nakedly exercises his malice for anyone that he feels slighted by—hence the outlandish and disproportionate shit-talking.

His public behaviors that people think of as dysfunction are mostly abuse tactics built up to create an environment in which he can rule over chaos rather than be called to operate according to any standards. As I’ve said before, he’s the country’s abusive dad.
They’re not clever, but they are effective because, like most abuse behavior, they’re elaborations of culturally-acceptable behaviors. Hence why he’s got an audience: none of his gross behaviors are unprecedented…quite the opposite, his gross behaviors express the power/control fantasies of completely neurotypical people who are just…gross and unempathetic because they accept premises of class, race, and gender that mean that there are lesser people that can be used for profit, sex, and “entertaining” cruelty.

There are concentric rings of people approving his behavior, so he’s not non-functional relative to societal standards; his beliefs and actions are not wildly inconsistent with existing cultural norms; he has no persistent commanding delusion; his emotional disregulation is…disturbing and harmful to others…but does not impair him from pursuing his own goals.

It’s just that his goals don’t include treating people as people…including his supporters and enablers…such that “business” and “country” exist only as extensions of himself. To the extent people exist, they are means…to obtain praise, sex, profit…never ends. It is monstrous, but it is entirely consistent. His methods are not limited by dysfunction of emotion or delusion, but by basic-bitch self-involvement and prideful ignorance. Everything that seems wrong, “crazy,” is in fact an absence: lack of creativity, lack of curiousity, lack of empathy, lack of self-reflection, lack of mutuality.

I realize on a resolutely anti-Trump board I am gnat-fucking by going through all this “what do we say when we’re calling his behavior mental illness” but it matters for three reasons.

One, mentally ill people don’t deserve to be integrated into a set with Trump, because it elides the consistent, “logically”-pursued immorality of the latter with the impairment of the former. No more than they deserve to be lumped in with serial killers or mass shooters. We make excuses for individual monsters by tagging them with medical terms that don’t actually fit, and we do it because the monsters—consciencelessly driven towards “more”…more sex, more control, more money—are naked representations of things we don’t want to look at within culture and human nature.

Two, we need to confront that there is a systemic, cultural component to existence and empowerment of men like Trump. His “crazy” is only slightly off-model compared to completely-acceptable behavior by other people with privilege. I have consistently compared his behavior to that of domestic abusers, and I would further observe that the excusing of his behavior resembles excuses for domestic abuse. And frankly, we need to have a talk about sadism as a cultural feature…because it will be there once Trump fucks up bad enough that the more sophisticated sociopaths boot him.

Three, Trump-as-abuser matters because it predicts the next one to five years better than Trump-as-“crazy.” His personal cruelty and vanity will undermine everything, even the things he wants to accomplish. As blame mounts and he feels shamed, he will use every available avenue to hurt and punish perceived enemies…and the criterion for who is an “enemy” will be more and more vague. Things aren’t just going to get randomly worse, there is a specific arc of descent in which he hurts the nation more and more as it “fails” to do what he wants…and that arc ends with doing as much harm as possible so that we can’t exist without him. I don’t like saying that; I know it sounds drastic. But I think it accurately describes what we’re already seeing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:38:22pm

re: #130 DangerMan

lawn darts arent in the constitution

Which is good, because from what I’ve read, the Founders drank pretty much constantly, and we’d probably have lost more than just Hamilton to misadventure.

(As an aside, I heard a piece on NPR years ago about lawn darts. Someone who’d been hit by one (non-fatally, of course) said the sound it made penetrating their skull was a “Squinch” sound like when you squeeze snow under your feet. Never forgot that ….)

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:44:31pm

Charlie Pierce doesn’t mind speaking ill of the dead:

Of course, the most lasting damage done by the Kochs is in the area of the climate crisis, in which their money and influence may have paralyzed the response to it until, now, things have gone past the point of control. It is in that spirit that I make the following proposal: If David Koch is to be cremated, I suggest we dispense with all the fuss and bother and just drop his corpse from a helicopter into the fires now consuming the Amazon rainforest. Let him be one with his legacy.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:45:58pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:47:25pm

re: #108 MsJ

Ugh.

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10 Reasons We Need A 99% Income Tax On The Highest Bracket.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:47:36pm

re: #124 Eclectic Cyborg

And yet a mountain of bullet riddled corpses has still led us to do absolutely nothing about guns.

Ain’t no lawn darts in the constitution

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gocart mozart  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:48:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:49:12pm

re: #140 gocart mozart

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Fuck you Rod. If you become a Neo Nazi, it’s completely your fault. Go fuck off with the NazisZ

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:49:35pm

I go to bed after work, wake up, and discover that Trump has totally embrace Thelma and Louise economics.

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.//

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A Cranky One  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:51:15pm

re: #126 bratwurst

Vaping is almost certainly safer than smoking for the simple reason that pretty much everything on earth is safer than smoking. There is a legitimate harm reduction argument to be made in favor of giving smokers this option.

Having said that, the very limited regulatory oversight seems destined to lead to more corpses.

This was true as of a few years ago. Now, not so much.

Marlboro owner invests $12.8 billion in e-cigarette maker Juul
Altria owns 35 percent of the company, which is now valued at $38 billion.

Vuse is owned by R.J. Reynolds Vapor Company, a subsidiary of Reynolds American Inc

I’ve heard the latest round of vaping injuries are due to folks using black market cannabis vaping fluids. Apparently the fluids are being made by folks in garages, etc. in places where cannabis is illegal. So no quality control and who knows what ingredients being used.

My guess is that a lot of those affected are reluctant to share that information.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:52:13pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

I go to bed after work, wake up, and discover that Trump has totally embrace Thelma and Louise economics.

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.//

This week has been one hell of a year, hasn’t it?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:53:32pm

Re/ vaping:

Removing combustion tar—random volatile organic compounds in aerosol—from inhalation is better, but nicotine is still a cell-function-impeding poison by itself, and it’s going to take time to ascertain what it means to hose your alveoli with vape juice.

Going back to Paracelsus…the poison is in the dosage.

Extrapolating from Paracelsus (para-Paracelsus?)…the poison is also defined by exposure location. Suspension media for vape juice are based on propylene glycol and glycerine, which are generally safe under test conditions, but previously not used as inhalants. Many flavoring agents are essential oils…and essential oils can irritate tissue and cause burns.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:53:43pm

re: #144 Blind Frog Belly White

This week has been one hell of a year, hasn’t it?

And it’s only Friday…

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A Cranky One  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:56:51pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

Re/ vaping:

Removing combustion tar—random volatile organic compounds in aerosol—from inhalation is better, but nicotine is still a cell-function-impeding poison by itself, and it’s going to take time to ascertain what it means to hose your alveoli with vape juice.

Going back to Paracelsus…the poison is in the dosage.

Extrapolating from Paracelsus (para-Paracelsus?)…the poison is also defined by exposure location. Suspension media for vape juice are based on propylene glycol and glycerine, which are generally safe under test conditions, but previously not used as inhalants. Many flavoring agents are essential oils…and essential oils can irritate tissue and cause burns.

I’ve heard the flavoring agents have been blamed for popcorn lung.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:57:18pm

re: #145 The Ghost of a Flea

A point that I continually make to people that vape with the “it’s just nicotine and water I’m inhaling ” schtick. It’s also a carcinogen by itself. You may have implied that, Ghost, but I wanted to make it explicit.

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 2:59:12pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:00:46pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:04:02pm

re: #148 Colère Tueur de Lapin

When I said “poison” I meant it literally. It messes with cardio-pulmonary fuction, and a lethal dose is possible.

You’re right, I neglected to say that it is also a carcinogen unto itself.

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Jay C  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:04:15pm

re: #148 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A point that I continually make to people that vape with the “it’s just nicotine and water I’m inhaling ” schtick. It’s also a carcinogen by itself. You may have implied that, Ghost, but I wanted to make it explicit.

And a hefty dose of nicotine, too. I recently read an article (NYT?) about the Juul company’s pitching of their products: apparently, a vaping system (Juul’s, anyway) actually delivers more nicotine than smoking regular cigarettes does: and the dosage is much more consistent. The takeaway was that while vaping is touted as being “safer” than smoking, it is still getting people hooked on an addictive substance. And quicker.

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b.d.  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:04:19pm

How are the Q Anon morons dealing with the RGB cancer diagnosis, considering they are sure she has been dead for a year?

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DangerMan  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:05:37pm

re: #148 Colère Tueur de Lapin

A point that I continually make to people that vape with the “it’s just nicotine and water I’m inhaling ” schtick. It’s also a carcinogen by itself. You may have implied that, Ghost, but I wanted to make it explicit.

reminder that mrs dm lost 1/2 her left lung last year
- we’re pretty sure it was through no fault of her own (not a smoker etc)
- we did not suddenly become lung activists and are not crusaders at all.

so while it’s generally none of my business,

other than air and certain mixed breathing gases, anything you drag into your lungs pretty much doesnt belong there. and then there’s the stuff you suck in unknowingly

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:06:13pm

re: #153 b.d.

How are the Q Anon morons dealing with the RGB cancer diagnosis, considering they are sure she has been dead for a year?

The were problems with the clone.

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TedStriker  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:06:30pm

re: #136 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce doesn’t mind speaking ill of the dead:

Personally, where I live, I’m dealing directly with the aftermath of the Kochs’ meddling bullshit:

Let’s look at one particular project. In 2018, the city of Nashville proposed to build a $5.4 billion rapid-transit project involving high-speed rail. To pay for it, the city proposed to raise four taxes, including the sales tax. Which is about when someone lit up the Koch Signal. The Kochs hate rapid transit. It keeps people from buying cars, which run on the fuels that make the Koch family rich. They also produce the asphalt for the roads on which those cars run. Acting through a Koch-funded astroturfing operation, Americans For Prosperity, the Kochs lavishly funded the opposition and killed the plan. This kind of eye-on-the-sparrow bludgeoning is a measure of how thoroughly the Koch money has infected our politics all the way down to the local level.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:07:39pm

re: #134 The Ghost of a Flea

He’s a Rapist. He rapes… Everything. Economies, egos, policies, people. Everything he touches is seen in terms of force. Consent is weakness to him.

President Rape. Nothing more, nothing less.

It’s the same with the big twitter breakdown yesterday of how policies didn’t have a point, it was all about cruelty and sadism, and so on… I replied, “in short, he’s Evil”. It really is that simple IMO.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:10:09pm

To Trump, almost everything and everyone is either consumable or expendable…or both.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:12:31pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

To Trump, almost everything and everyone is either consumable or expendable…or both.

Trump’s viewpoint is totally transactional, i.e. everything is either an asset or an expense. If you’re making him money or inflating his ego, then you’re an asset and he’ll shower praise upon you. But start costing him money or in some way injure his ego and you immediately become an expense…one which he will quickly divest himself of in the most ruthless fashion possible.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:13:04pm

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

To Trump, almost everything and everyone is either consumable or expendable…or both.

To narcissists, we’re all NPCs in their game.

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BeachDem  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:18:17pm

re: #156 TedStriker

Personally, where I live, I’m dealing directly with the aftermath of the Kochs’ meddling bullshit:

From June: (edit—slight correction, from June of 2018)

How the Koch Brothers Are Killing Public Transit Projects Around the Country
Since 2015, Americans for Prosperity has coordinated door-to-door anti-transit canvassing campaigns for at least seven local or state-level ballots, according to a review by The New York Times. In the majority, the Kochs were on the winning side…

And this mind-blowing double-speak:

Public transit, Americans for Prosperity says, goes against the liberties that Americans hold dear. “If someone has the freedom to go where they want, do what they want,” Ms. Venable said, “they’re not going to choose public transit.”
nytimes.com

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:18:24pm

I’ll call it now, by Monday, Trump will have backed off the threats to raise tariffs again. Either somebody will convince him that it’s a bad idea for the market, or that China will capitulate if he looks magnanimous, or something to stroke his ego. The Dow will slowly start to regain ground, possibly closing back above 26K, and the media will quietly go back to acting as though this is “business as usual” until we get another frenzied outburst from the Toddler in Chief.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:23:23pm
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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:28:23pm

You know, it is just hard for me to find anything funny in any of this any more. The dark humor is no longer cutting it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:31:15pm

re: #130 DangerMan

lawn darts arent in the constitution

A bitter failure on the part of the National Lawn Dart Association.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:33:31pm

re: #157 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yep.

This is why I describe him…and all the people like him, even the ones who are nominally “Never Trump”…as DeSadian nihilists.

Nothing matters but their sense of license, such that the only thing that is Wrong is attempts to limit or criticize use of power. Any power available is meant to be abused. Anybody that can be hurt should be hurt, so long at its gratifying.

These kind of people are largely pooling in the party that believes in natural hierarchy because pyramids—whether they’re feudal or capitalistic or racial—always create a class of acceptable targets…but they can colonize any idea and turn it towards the desired end of a justification system in which the victimized are in the wrong.

We have Trump because others have laid a cultural groundwork for him. Capitalism, Christianity, personal liberty, US law…each of these things is flawed and worthy of criticism unto itself…but each is also being colonized by people who want cover for no system, a wearable shell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:33:43pm

re: #165 retired cynic

You know, it is just hard for me to find anything funny in any of this any more. The dark humor is no longer cutting it.

I feel you. I really do. I just want Trumps reign of terror can be over so I can feel like I have a country again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:34:06pm

re: #122 makeitstop

So, the very day we decide to go on vacation, our neighborhood lost power. Our house has been without electricity for two days.

Should we just roll the fridge out to the curb when we get home next week? Asking for my wife.

is the power back on now?
if not, is there someone who can go in and empty the fridge?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:36:54pm

re: #165 retired cynic

You know, it is just hard for me to find anything funny in any of this any more. The dark humor is no longer cutting it.

If gets to be too much, take a break. Take the kids down to a National Petting Zoo to see the children.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:37:12pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:38:21pm

re: #165 retired cynic

You know, it is just hard for me to find anything funny in any of this any more. The dark humor is no longer cutting it.

Yes, this week has been a real drain on the soul.

I told myself a long time ago that it has to get worse before it can get any better. I knew it would get bad, but the was in which it is getting bad is nerve-deadening.

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fern01  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:40:42pm

What needs to be remembered in all this trump turmoil - when a democrat is elected President in 2020 and he/she tries to undo many of trump’s policies - there will be no trust from anyone - inside and outside the US - that any new policies will last longer than the election of a GOP President.

Undoing contracts/agreements signed in good faith by previous political leaders does not entice one to sign any such document again without many more guarantees (that may not exist) that the document is binding past the existing administration.

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Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:42:06pm

re: #173 fern01

If the GOP holds the Senate they won’t let a Dem president do anything, and as soon as they try the Trump executive order crap all hell will break lose.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:42:44pm

re: #173 fern01

What needs to be remembered in all this trump turmoil - when a democrat is elected President in 2020 and he/she tries to undo many of trump’s policies - there will be no trust from anyone - inside and outside the US - that any new policies will last longer than the election of a GOP President.

Undoing contracts/agreements signed in good faith by previous political leaders does not entice one to sign any such document again without many more guarantees (that may not exist) that the document is binding past the existing administration.

If Trump inspires enough revulsion, there won’t be a GOP to elect a president. It’s a goal, anyways.

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fern01  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:42:47pm

re: #164 The Pie Overlord!

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trump likes to tell other Nations “We are ready to assist”. Under previous administrations it was always “Our assistance is on the way”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:43:48pm

re: #176 fern01

trump likes to tell other Nations “We are ready to assist”. Under previous administrations it was always “Our assistance is on the way”

Trump is waiting to get paid first…or at least get the credit for the assist.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:44:29pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

If the GOP holds the Senate they won’t let a Dem president do anything, and as soon as they try the Trump executive order crap all hell will break lose.

I was just thinking about bringing up that regardless of whether they keep the Senate or not next year, if the Dems win the White House, the GOP will suddenly find themselves fascinated again with putting restrictions on the powers of the executive branch. But not, you know, actually putting any such restrictions in place because they won’t want to hinder the next wannabe fascist their party conjures up.

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fern01  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:44:42pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

If Trump inspires enough revulsion, there won’t be a GOP to elect a president. It’s a goal, anyways.

That is a thought I like to hold close.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:46:31pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

I was just thinking about bringing up that regardless of whether they keep the Senate or not next year, if the Dems win the White House, the GOP will suddenly find themselves fascinated again with putting restrictions on the powers of the executive branch. But not, you know, actually putting any such restrictions in place because they won’t want to hinder the next wannabe fascist their party conjures up.

Which is why I hope the next Dem President gives absolutely no shits about pissing off the GOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:51:32pm

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is why I hope the next Dem President gives absolutely no shits about pissing off the GOP.

does not matter, they will get torn apart as “obstructionist” and “partisan” regardless of how many olive branches they offer

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:52:17pm

re: #181 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

does not matter, they will get torn apart as “obstructionist” and “partisan” regardless of how many olive branches they offer

Yep. So they might as well fix it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 3:59:39pm
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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:01:05pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

EVERYTHING is bonkers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:01:38pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

President Manbaby.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:01:58pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

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It’s 2019 and people are still acting surprised by anything this man does.

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Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:01:59pm

re: #183 The Pie Overlord!

Nobody else wants him to go either.

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Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:04:04pm

Basically the other members of the G7 agreed to an extra day of this summit just so he has an open mike to stroke his ego out in public. Otherwise he didn’t want to go because he doesn’t think the other leaders of the major world economies give much of a shit that he won an election in 2016.

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:05:53pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

He’s right there.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:08:28pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Flea

When I said “poison” I meant it literally. It messes with cardio-pulmonary fuction, and a lethal dose is possible.

You’re right, I neglected to say that it is also a carcinogen unto itself.

Just to put nicotine’s toxicity in perspective its LD50 is about the same as arsenic, heroin, and meth.

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Skip Intro  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:08:32pm

So when he comes back next week will he jack the tariffs to 50% because everybody at the G7 laughed at him?

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b.d.  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:09:09pm

CNN & all other news folks could get YUGE! ratings if they addressed and pointed out the fact that our POTUS is crazy as a loon and something must be done.

Just sayin….

Breaking into regular network programming to point out that our POTUS is nuts would be warranted too.

I promise to buy any product advertised on such news broadcast….for the good of the republic.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:22:58pm

I will vote for anyone for POTUS who promises NOT to end every Tweet with a “!”

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Amory Blaine  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:24:58pm

Me, everyday now

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Dread Pirate  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:25:29pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:27:41pm

Have they prepared the royal golf cart at G7?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:27:45pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

Just to put nicotine’s toxicity in perspective its LD50 is about the same as arsenic, heroin, and meth.

What I find myself thinking about is arsenic eaters and Mithradatism.

Consistent ingestion of the poison means tolerance, and thus less symptoms that rise to the level of pathology…but the presence of the poison is still messing up the tissues and organs they’re in primary contact with, meaning that there’s a bill that wil come due.

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b.d.  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:29:01pm

re: #194 Amory Blaine

Me, everyday now

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me too. those are coca leaves, right?

lol, i’ve always loved that picture

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MsJ  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:31:02pm

This is like WAY worse than when I first heard about it this morning.

This is sickening. This is in my backyard.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:31:07pm

re: #153 b.d.

How are the Q Anon morons dealing with the RGB cancer diagnosis, considering they are sure she has been dead for a year?

There are church groups who pray for RBG’s death.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:31:53pm

re: #197 The Ghost of a Flea

What I find myself thinking about is arsenic eaters and Mithradatism.

Consistent ingestion of the poison means tolerance, and thus less symptoms that rise to the level of pathology…but the presence of the poison is still messing up the tissues and organs they’re in primary contact with, meaning that there’s a bill that wil come due.

I just don’t get stimulant chasers, with my essential hypertension that’s the last shit I need.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:33:30pm

re: #199 MsJ

This is like WAY worse than when I first heard about it this morning.

This is sickening. This is in my backyard.

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“Michigan City should be as white as possible…. I mean, they can come to work in yards and so forth, but they’d better be gone by sundown.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:33:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:34:30pm

re: #199 MsJ

This is like WAY worse than when I first heard about it this morning.

This is sickening. This is in my backyard.

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52 years after Loving.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:35:06pm

re: #203 The Pie Overlord!

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What a narcissistic piece of shit he is.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:36:44pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:36:46pm

Trumporrhoids will have to pay 15% more for their Trump tchotchkas.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:42:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:44:06pm

re: #197 The Ghost of a Flea

What I find myself thinking about is arsenic eaters and Mithradatism.

Consistent ingestion of the poison means tolerance, and thus less symptoms that rise to the level of pathology…but the presence of the poison is still messing up the tissues and organs they’re in primary contact with, meaning that there’s a bill that wil come due.

Find myself thinking about the box wine my friend shopped up for me—4X EPA level for water.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:44:40pm

See you on the other side of Shabbat!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:44:41pm

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

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Oh grow up snowflake.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:45:58pm

OT I finally upgraded my iPhone SE to an iPhone 8. It seems to be okay and I have to get used to a on/off button that is on the right side of the phone. I also have to get new cases for it.

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retired cynic  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:47:57pm

re: #212 PhillyPretzel

OT I finally upgraded my iPhone SE to an iPhone 8. It seems to be okay and I have to get used to a on/off button that is on the right side of the phone. I also have to get new cases for it.

That’s what I have had for a year or two, and I like it very well.

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bratwurst  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:48:42pm

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

Can you or someone else explain what Liz Mair has to do with this? She’s…uh…not generally noted for her satirical humor.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:49:09pm

Sigh.

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:49:46pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

This is the raddest thing I’ve seen this month!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:52:04pm

re: #214 bratwurst

Can you or someone else explain what Liz Mair has to do with this? She’s…uh…not generally noted for her satirical humor.

She’s an Anti-Trump GOPer.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:52:32pm

re: #214 bratwurst

Can you or someone else explain what Liz Mair has to do with this? She’s…uh…not generally noted for her satirical humor.

No, that’s what’s truly interesting. I think we have yet to know why he picked on her of all people.

When I think of this I think of (as I too frequently do) a line from Firesign Theater: “while I hate to sanction stupidity as our national sport….”

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Stanley Sea  Aug 23, 2019 • 4:53:43pm

re: #214 bratwurst

Can you or someone else explain what Liz Mair has to do with this? She’s…uh…not generally noted for her satirical humor.

I believe she is the cow

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teleskiguy  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:06:20pm

re: #210 The Pie Overlord!

Have a good Sabbath!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:07:26pm

re: #198 b.d.

me too. those are coca leaves, right?

lol, i’ve always loved that picture

eucalyptus, IIRC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 23, 2019 • 5:07:58pm

re: #199 MsJ

This is like WAY worse than when I first heard about it this morning.

This is sickening. This is in my backyard.

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That is one horribly obvious wig on her head

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makeitstop  Aug 24, 2019 • 1:39:32am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

is the power back on now?
if not, is there someone who can go in and empty the fridge?

My wife informed me that the power came back on at about 7:00 this morning (1:00 AM NY time).

Her aunt has graciously volunteered to go in and get rid of the stuff in the fridge, thank dog. I was dreading getting home and dealing with all manner of bad stuff.


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