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Zildjian LIVE! Season 2, Episode 7: Gergo Borlai
“The Hungarian Nightmare” - written by Gergo Borlai and arranged by Robert Sput Searight
Performed by: Gergo Borlai and Ghost-Note
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Zildjian LIVE Season 2 represents the energy and passion that’s generated when you bring together artists from around the world for a true Zildjian Family Experience!

Season 2 is hosted by Aaron Spears, musically directed by Robert “Sput” Searight and features the band Ghost-Note!

Gergo’s Cymbal Setup:
15” A Custom Mastersound HiHats
22” Oriental China Trash
17” A Custom Crash
19” A Custom Crash
22” A Custom Ride
18” A Custom Crash
20” A Custom Crash

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Zildjian LIVE! Season 2 Schedule:
Episode 1: Matt Greiner – April
Episode 2: Sarah Thawer – May
Episode 3: Marcus Gilmore – June
Episode 4: JD Beck – July
Episode 5: Stanton Moore – August
Episode 6: Ash Soan – September
Episode 7: Gergo Borlai – October
Episode 8: Dennis Chambers- November

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Ghost-Note Band:
Robert Sput Searight - music director/keyboards
Nathaniel Werth- percussion
Dywane “MonoNeon” Thomas Jr. - bass
Sylvester Onyejiaka – baritone sax, flute
Jonathan Mones – alto sax, flute
Mike Jelani Brooks – tenor saxophone, flute
Xavier Taplin – keyboards
Peter Knudsen – guitar
Mike Clowes - guitar

Audio Engineers:
Kevin Majorino
Tyler Shields

Sphere Audio Assistants:
Matt Cerritos
Xavier Stephenson
Daniel Morris

Audio Mixer:
Ben Burget at 206 Studios

Audio Mastering:
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Videographers:
Trevor Bowman
Scott Quade
Dean Fisher
Evan Chapman
Kevin Eikenberg
Taylor Davis
Mark Wessels

Photographers:
Ian Grom

Special thanks to:
Sphere Studios and Mackenzie Coats
Livemix for providing the monitoring system
Earthworks for providing the microphones

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1
i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:55:05pm

GOTV! Go Doug Jones! FP (Perdue)!

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:55:10pm
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Teddy's Person ✌  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:57:03pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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I wonder what Moscow winters are like when Putin no longer has any use for you?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:57:13pm
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:59:11pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

They captured Eichmann, I think we can grab Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:59:12pm

This is the first time I heard of this guy Gergo and damn. I mean, goddamn.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 5:59:51pm

And he doesn’t look anything like what you’d expect someone who plays like that should look. I love it.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:02:17pm

re: #2 teleskiguy

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To address a concern that was raised a couple of threads back, I believe he can take his Secret Service agents with him when he absconds. Unless a warrant has somehow already been issued at that point, they cannot keep him by force. When they get to Moscow, the USSS detail simply reports to the US embassy and takes the next plane home.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:05:24pm

re: #3 Teddy’s Person ✌

I wonder what Moscow winters are like when Putin no longer has any use for you?

Moscow? Nyet, comrade. Those who fall afoul of Comrade Putin find themselves wandering the Siberian tundra.

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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:07:38pm

Ah.

Worldometers says 71k+ today in the US.
Indiana showing 2.3k, which is 15% more than the previous daily record.
Stop the world, I want to get off.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:10:03pm

re: #10 NetworkKed

Ah.

Worldometers says 71k+ today in the US.
Indiana showing 2.3k, which is 15% more than the previous daily record.
Stop the world, I want to get off.

Minnesota was at 2.2k - but they also had 45k tests, which is an enormous increase in their testing compared to previously, and still has us sitting near a 5% new positive/test %.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:14:30pm

re: #9 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Moscow? Nyet, comrade. Those who fall afoul of Comrade Putin find themselves wandering the Siberian tundra.

Yeah- Donald can lord it as the CEO of the Klubski Golfski in scenic Trumpograd on the banks of the picturesque Ob…

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:14:36pm
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:15:54pm

re: #12 Jay C

But what kind of show would that be? He won’t be able to drag himself away from the cameras.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:17:40pm

re: #14 jaunte

But what kind of show would that be? He won’t be able to drag himself away from the cameras.

I’m sure RT would give him some airtime.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:18:18pm

re: #14 jaunte

But what kind of show would that be? He won’t be able to drag himself away from the cameras.

Considering the alternative is taking a polonium-boosted dirt nap, I think he’ll find a way.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:18:37pm

“He just couldn’t make it in New York.”

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:25:09pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

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Why was he going to Venezuela?

They don’t have an extradition treaty.

Oh, what should we do with him, then?

Put him back on a plane to Venezuela for God’s sake.

What did we learn?

I don’t know. I guess we learned to never do it again. Whatever it was.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:25:13pm

He should go to Mar-a-Lago and announce his campaign for the 2024 GOP primary.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:25:52pm
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i(m)p(each)sos  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:34:28pm

re: #3 Teddy’s Person ✌

I wonder what Moscow winters are like when Putin no longer has any use for you?

The yellow showers will keep him warm, though…

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:35:25pm

re: #21 i(m)p(each)sos

In Norilsk, it’s just sulfur dioxide rain.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:36:54pm

re: #21 i(m)p(each)sos

The yellow showers will keep him warm, though…

He will be to busy counting trees…

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:38:15pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:39:25pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:43:41pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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I remember watching you break that story. I’ll admit, at the beginning I kind of had the thought, “There’s no way this could be real.” Then you produced the Throbbing Memo. That was a no-doubter; it was as plain as day.

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calochortus  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:44:11pm

My ballot has been received and “will be counted.” Yay.

Also, I’d be fine with Trump fleeing the country after the election. A pretty straightforward admission of guilt, and we could still try various associates and family members that didn’t make the flight.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:47:34pm

It would be such a shame if Trump, all of his cronies decide to flee the US ..and the plane just happened to be shot down over the sea…

Edited…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:48:14pm

re: #28 🌹UOJB!

Well, for one thing, it wouldn’t be Air Force One anymore, because by the time of their fleeing the country, he would no longer be President.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:49:44pm

re: #29 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, for one thing, it wouldn’t be Air Force One anymore, because by the time of their fleeing the country, he would no longer be President.

Well that may keep Trump in the country: who is going to charter him a plane without the cash up front…?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:50:25pm

re: #30 Jay C

Sadly, the answer appears to be, “A lot of people.” For some unknown reason, people still seem to think he’s worth something, and that he’ll pay them.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:51:21pm

re: #28 🌹UOJB!

I do not wish our AF officers to be shot down.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:51:23pm

Throbbing memo gif. Those were the days.

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LadyBehir  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:51:29pm

Who would be piloting? Why would they take off? Load the airplane and then just sit on the runway. What’s he going to do, fly it himself?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:51:32pm

re: #30 Jay C

Well that may keep,Trump in the country: who is going to charter him a plane without the cash up front…?

Аэрофлот!

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:54:05pm

re: #29 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The plane doesn’t belong to him in the first place. It belongs to the American People. It’s not his property. Neither is the Secret Service. I can’t see the pilot just doing his bidding and flying him anywhere on command. What’s Trump going to do? Fire them? Isn’t there something in the law about defying illegal orders? If not why the hell not?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:55:24pm

re: #36 A Mom Anon

The plane doesn’t belong to him in the first place. It belongs to the American People. It’s not his property. Neither is the Secret Service. I can’t see the pilot just doing his bidding and flying him anywhere on command. What’s Trump going to do? Fire them? Isn’t there something in military codes about defying illegal orders?

If he flees he loses everything and still might be put in jail. He’s not running. He thinks he can beat the rap.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 6:55:34pm
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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:00:08pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:00:18pm
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:00:28pm

oops

The health department’s top lawyer is warning in an internal memo that President Trump’s plan to give seniors $200 discount cards to buy prescription drugs could violate election law,” Politico reports.

“The lawyer’s objection, coupled with his advice to seek approval from the Department of Justice, is a significant blow to Trump’s hope to promote the hastily devised plan before Election Day.”

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:01:00pm

re: #37 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t think he’s going to run either. He’s never suffered any consequences for anything he’s done wrong, from childhood to today. He most likely does think he can beat any charges and will do so again. He’s got too big of an ego to just fade away to Moscow or wherethefuckever. He will relish the attention and further tv time he’ll get, press conferences and so on while any legal proceedings take place. Unless he feels seriously cornered and his kids and other associates bail on him or end up in jail. Then I could see him trying to get outta Dodge.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:05:02pm

re: #36 A Mom Anon

The plane doesn’t belong to him in the first place. It belongs to the American People. It’s not his property. Neither is the Secret Service. I can’t see the pilot just doing his bidding and flying him anywhere on command. What’s Trump going to do? Fire them? Isn’t there something in the law about defying illegal orders? If not why the hell not?

um… doesn’t he actually have a plane of his own? With his name painted on the side?

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:05:38pm

Trump’s company has a suitable plane of its own, a Boeing 757 called Trump Force One. It will seat Cheeto, Melania and Barron (maybe), and 40 stooges, accomplices, lackeys, and other fugitives. It can carry a lot more if they cram the escapees into the aisles and under the beds. It has auxiliary fuel tanks in the luggage compartments and can make the flight to Russia from DC.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:05:46pm

re: #43 sagehen

um… doesn’t he actually have a plane of his own? With his name painted on the side?

That one was likely repossessed years ago….

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:09:19pm

The Pete Souza documentary is just starting on MSNBC. I’m already getting choked up.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:14:54pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:18:24pm

Probably like many people here, I was an ardent watcher of Stargate SG-1 when it was running. At times it tried to dabble in hard sci-fi, but mostly it was a light affair with plenty of comedy.

One thing that bothered me was when the characters would throw out galaxy names. Case in point, the “Pegasus” galaxy which became the premise setting for the spin-off Stargate Atlantis. I’d watch the show and go “no such thing is known”, and wonder why the writers didn’t use the name of one of the many known dwarf galaxies near our own galaxy.

Well, today I’m watching a presentation on Large Magellanic Cloud modeling as a test of dark matter, and the presenter throws up this map of the latest compilation of known small galaxies around the Milky Way:

And lo and behold.. there is “Peg3” in the middle. So when did that appear?

Turns out in 2015 (after Stargate had its TV run) the discovery was announced: A Hero’s Dark Horse: Discovery of an Ultra-Faint Milky Way Satellite in Pegasus

Peg3 should not be confused with the “Pegasus Dwarf Galaxy” which is a companion of M31, the great galaxy in Andromeda.

When Stargate first mentioned “Pegasus galaxy” they could not have referred to the Andromeda companion as that would be too far away. So the writers were just making things up.

Turns out, the writers can now ret-con in Peg3 should Stargate ever be rebooted.

(It should be noted that Pegasus as a constellation covers a large section of the sky, so there are a great many galaxies in the direction of Pegasus, but they are all far, far away and the Stargate “Pegasus” galaxy was supposed to be close to the Milky Way, close enough to reach it with the show’s premised inventions.)

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:27:25pm

OK, Hamilfans, what did you think? It was interesting—not exactly what I expected, but “The Room Where It Happens” number was worth it all.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:32:11pm

re: #49 BeachDem

OK, Hamilfans, what did you think? It was interesting—not exactly what I expected, but “The Room Where It Happens” number was worth it all.

Totally not what I expected but fascinating inside baseball thing. Was hoping for more music. The end was excellent. Daveed Diggs is so chill. I kinda love him.

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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:34:34pm

re: #50 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Totally not what I expected but fascinating inside baseball thing. Was hoping for more music. The end was excellent. Daveed Diggs is so chill. I kinda love him.

Moi aussi! Are you a Kimmy Schmidt fan? He is on one of the later seasons and is just adorable.

I guess I’ll have to watch the show again (this will be #4) tomorrow.

Edit to add—I was impressed that they had more than 100,000 people watching and I believe he said 45-50% were first time donors, and they figured a lot were young peeps.

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steve_davis  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:37:39pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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To address a concern that was raised a couple of threads back, I believe he can take his Secret Service agents with him when he absconds. Unless a warrant has somehow already been issued at that point, they cannot keep him by force. When they get to Moscow, the USSS detail simply reports to the US embassy and takes the next plane home.

do you imagine his secret service agents are boarding a plane with him, with the clear understanding that Trump is fleeing the country? Their responsibility and oath of office is to protect the president against foreign and domestic adversaries. They certainly aren’t going to allow the president to wander off to Russia for a debriefing.

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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:37:49pm

re: #48 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

When Stargate first mentioned “Pegasus galaxy” they could not have referred to the Andromeda companion as that would be too far away. So the writers were just making things up.

Turns out, the writers can now ret-con in Peg3 should Stargate ever be rebooted.

(It should be noted that Pegasus as a constellation covers a large section of the sky, so there are a great many galaxies in the direction of Pegasus, but they are all far, far away and the Stargate “Pegasus” galaxy was supposed to be close to the Milky Way, close enough to reach it with the show’s premised inventions.)

So… I’m going to mildly disagree with you. Stargate canon was that those Asgard hyperdrives were capable of Ludicrous Speed (tm) more or less. And maybe it’s just fanon but it makes sense they can really cut loose when they’re out of the galactic halo and there’s nothing (like puny dwarf galaxies) to dodge.

But while they did a decent job keeping canon under control, you’re right that it was pretty soft sci fi so this sort of stuff really can just be ignored.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:38:54pm

re: #13 Dave In Austin

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The USA has no Extradition Treaty with Russia, which makes Russia eligible as a last resort for a criminal Trump Crime Family.

Their first knee-jerk inclination will be Europe (obviously where white people are) but the Extradition issue looms large there. Hungary or some other Eastern European country might likely seem an obvious destination for the short term. Another candidate is Brazil which has a Trumpy President but does have an Extradition with the US. Ultimately, the UAE would seem to be great for Trump, but reveal his total hypocrisy with the US Muslim-hating Base. It remains to be seen if he cares to shed his US Base or stick with the con. The UAE needs US Military assistance with Iran so Trump would soon be unwelcome there in any regard. Putin would like a pet, but a misbehaved loon like Trump would soon overstay his welcome despite causing embarrassment propaganda for the US. Would Putin be content to keep the most noteworthy propaganda trophy in world history or would Trump soon cause problems inside Russia itself? I guess it remains to be seen because Trump will be fleeing like the sorry coward he is soon.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:40:21pm

re: #52 steve_davis

do you imagine his secret service agents are boarding a plane with him, with the clear understanding that Trump is fleeing the country? Their responsibility and oath of office is to protect the president against foreign and domestic adversaries. They certainly aren’t going to allow the president to wander off to Russia for a debriefing.

They can’t keep him without a warrant. They could decline to board with him, but they can’t stop him from boarding.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:42:04pm

re: #51 BeachDem

Moi aussi! Are you a Kimmy Schmidt fan? He is on one of the later seasons and is just adorable.

I guess I’ll have to watch the show again (this will be #4) tomorrow.

Edit to add—I was impressed that they had more than 100,000 people watching and I believe he said 45-50% were first time donors, and they figured a lot were young peeps.

I’ve never seen Kimmy Schmidt. I’ll have to watch for it.

The only reason I knew about this was because someone here posted the tweet. It wasn’t very visible on Twitter. It would have been much bigger had it been advertised more.

They should so another one that’s a read/sing through. And advertise it more!

I loved it. I’m always fascinated by the behind the scenes stuff. It’s all new knowledge to me.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:44:07pm

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I would venture to guess that after the Trump election loss, the Secret Service to a man will refuse any assignment that might remotely be considered a criminal flight attempt.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:45:17pm

re: #54 Florida Panhandler

The USA has no Extradition Treaty with Russia, which makes Russia eligible as a last resort for a criminal Trump Crime Family.

Their first knee-jerk inclination will be Europe (obviously where white people are) but the Extradition issue looms large there. Hungary or some other Eastern European country might likely seem an obvious destination for the short term. Another candidate is Brazil which has a Trumpy President but does have an Extradition with the US. Ultimately, the UAE would seem to be great for Trump, but reveal his total hypocrisy with the US Muslim-hating Base. It remains to be seen if he cares to shed his US Base or stick with the con. The UAE needs US Military assistance with Iran so Trump would soon be unwelcome there in any regard. Putin would like a pet, but a misbehaved loon like Trump would soon overstay his welcome despite causing embarrassment propaganda for the US. Would Putin be content to keep the most noteworthy propaganda trophy in world history or would Trump soon cause problems inside Russia itself? I guess it remains to be seen because Trump will be fleeing like the sorry coward he is soon.

Trump absconding to any country is a threat to national security. That ain’t gonna happen.

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mmmirele  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:45:27pm

re: #48 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I just wanted to say that if we could see it fully, Andromeda galaxy would be four times the size of the full moon. The reason we *don’t* see it with the naked eye, or by just looking through a telescope, for example, is due to low surface brightness. All those gorgeous pictures of galaxies, planetary nebulas, supernova remnants, etc.? It takes hours and hours of just pointing a telescope at the object to get enough photons hitting the photographic plate (old days) or sensors (today). For today’s images, light is collected at different wavelengths and processing can bring out things we wouldn’t see in “normal” light.

So, for example, this amateur astronomer did an image of the Crab Nebula (aka Messier 1, aka the remnant of SN 1054) and it took 22 hours (look at the bottom of the page).

mikesastrophotos.com

This Peg3 discovery is not surprising to me. It’s kind of like discovering Luhman 16, which is a binary brown-dwarf system 6.5 light years from us. The telescope data was collected in 2010 and 2011, but it wasn’t until 2013 that the discovery was announced. Which is in part due to the fact that, as brown dwarfs, Luhman 16 is very cool and would be another “low surface brightness” object since they aren’t properly stars. I suspect as time goes on, we’re going to find a lot of low surface brightness objects in both near and far stellar neighborhoods.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:46:25pm

Yes, I do want to be Mr. Biden’s Neighbor!

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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:47:25pm

re: #54 Florida Panhandler

Putin would like a pet, but a misbehaved loon like Trump would soon overstay his welcome despite causing embarrassment propaganda for the US. Would Putin be content to keep the most noteworthy propaganda trophy in world history or would Trump soon cause problems inside Russia itself? I guess it remains to be seen because Trump will be fleeing like the sorry coward he is soon.

So if Trump flees to Russia, Putin would stick him in a room with FSB interrogators for two months to suck out everything classified he ever heard as prez which somehow stuck to his brain. (Debatable how much that would be, but it would have to be done.) Any future appearances would be massively stage-managed.

I cannot imagine for an instant how Trump could cause Putin problems in Russia. By the time he was allowed the freedom to do so, he’d know that it would buy an instant dirtnap.

…and all this is why the Secret Service would try to keep him from fleeing. But if Trump simply says he’s going to take a vacay in Berlin or something and takes a quick detour into the Russian embassy, it could happen. If Trump does get prosecuted for anything expect to see restrictions on leaving the country, which would allow his SecServ team to act.

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steve_davis  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:48:19pm

re: #58 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Trump absconding to any country is a threat to national security. That ain’t gonna happen.

exactly. until biden takes the oath, trump has the nuclear football. no way in hell is Trump going to wake up one day, say “let’s go to russia now that I’ve lost the election,” and not have enormous red flags go up all over the place.

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prairiefire  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:50:25pm

re: #50 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Totally not what I expected but fascinating inside baseball thing. Was hoping for more music. The end was excellent. Daveed Diggs is so chill. I kinda love him.

I love him as well and Leslie Odom sings like a smooooth angel. I enjoyed it and am glad they had such a good turn out.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:55:40pm

re: #62 steve_davis

exactly. until biden takes the oath, trump has the nuclear football. no way in hell is Trump going to wake up one day, say “let’s go to russia now that I’ve lost the election,” and not have enormous red flags go up all over the place.

Don’t be surprised if Republican Congress-critters get orders from their corporate masters that Trump’s election loss and resulting nuclear meltdown is “bad for business” and the 25th Amendment is finally invoked before the Biden Inauguration.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:57:31pm
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BeachDem  Oct 16, 2020 • 7:58:59pm

re: #56 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’ve never seen Kimmy Schmidt. I’ll have to watch for it.

The only reason I knew about this was because someone here posted the tweet. It wasn’t very visible on Twitter. It would have been much bigger had it been advertised more.

They should so another one that’s a read/sing through. And advertise it more!

I loved it. I’m always fascinated by the behind the scenes stuff. It’s all new knowledge to me.

I loved Kimmy Schmidt. To me it’s just silly and fun and has some great characters/actors. How can you go wrong with Carol Kane playing a landlady named Lillian Kaushtupper who dates Robert Durst? And a long arc about getting the Washington Redskins to change their name.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:08:44pm

re: #53 NetworkKed

When Stargate writers introduced the “Pegasus” galaxy, as a location of Atlantis, the SG team had available only limited craft to make the journey. IIRC, it took weeks for the travel time between Earth and Atlantis.

This is why Atlantis stories included the plot to make the stargate bridge, because travel time in the first generations of Earth craft were too long, and Stargate Command only had one or two working Earth-designed ships.

This limitation of ships is what drove some of the more interesting story lines. Like usual in fiction, when the actors/plot are constrained the writing has be more creative.

Now in the final episodes of the SG-1 series, Earth inherits the full Asgard body of knowledge. This wasn’t exploited much, IIRC though, in the Atlantis series which ran for a few years longer after SG-1 ended.

Anyway, in storyline “Pegasus” was supposed to be a small neighboring galaxy to the Milky Way, and now Peg3 can be ret-conned in should the need arise.

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retired cynic  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:09:22pm

Coyotes are all around the house, really singing. They combined the beans “in the front yard” yesterday, and they must be hunting.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:16:03pm

Y’all, seriously, you have to watch the Pete Souza documentary, it’s just beautiful and wonderful and amazing. If you get the chance, watch it.I am crying and laughing, and then crying again. Just. so. Everything….

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IngisKahn  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:21:51pm

re: #69 A Mom Anon

It’s amazing. Really drives home what we lost.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:26:46pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:41:22pm

re: #71 jaunte

My brother is one of many people that argues “Why could those people get away with marching when people couldn’t have funerals?”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:41:55pm

Caught Perdue’s mocking of Senator Harris’: name. Instant observation but he’s emulating Trump not just the behavior but the body language. Fuck Trump and GOTV.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:42:41pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Not much besides “This is it?” So far, we’ve got an email referencing a meeting that they can’t prove took place, a bunch of photos that show Hunter and his father being human beings, and (last I heard) a text exchange involving a very understanding father trying to help a son struggling with drug addiction.

How exactly this is supposed to hurt Joe, I’ve no clue.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:43:07pm

re: #71 jaunte

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Yep needs to be on trial. I hate that this is necessary but it needs to happen.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:44:05pm

The Nautilus is tooling around the west coast and was off of San Diego a couple of days ago. Here’s some clips from their dive off of Monterey, with an amazing nudibranch at the end:

Descending the Cascading Walls of Pioneer Canyon | Nautilus Live

..

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:45:27pm

To be filed under “Because of course”

Calling it now: if all (or most) goes well and Biden wins, the 2024 GOPer nominee will be a Q-ball.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:48:08pm

Sorry, but that is not showing up in any data I’m seeing. School districts are going to tele-learning because too many teachers are getting sick.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:52:44pm

re: #77 Interesting Times

To be filed under “Because of course”

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Calling it now: if all (or most) goes well and Biden wins, the 2024 GOPer nominee will be a Q-ball.

Yeah, we’ve seen this movie before, though back then it was called “The Tea Party.” Same bunch of cosplay “patriots,” only even more up their own asses and totally whacked out.

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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:59:12pm

I didn’t think Hayes was usually that delusional. Was he trying to quote someone and missing badly?

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 8:59:14pm

re: #78 Dread Pirate Ron

Sounds like the San Francisco mayor needs to be replaced with someone less racist.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:00:15pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

Not much besides “This is it?” So far, we’ve got an email referencing a meeting that they can’t prove took place, a bunch of photos that show Hunter and his father being human beings, and (last I heard) a text exchange involving a very understanding father trying to help a son struggling with drug addiction.

How exactly this is supposed to hurt Joe, I’ve no clue.

70% they’re playing to the prurient interests of the pundits and access journalists, who will inflate this because there’s gold to be made in them there molehills.

20% they’re unable to conceive of an audience that wouldn’t see addiction, and loving an addict, as weakness.

10%…it’s fucking cruel. Not just a tu quoque, a direct violation of the father-son bond held up to be mocked and used to spawn further cruel speculation.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:03:07pm

re: #91 Eric The Fruit Bat

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:05:21pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:06:46pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:17:09pm

re: #78 Dread Pirate Ron

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We haven’t even managed a single semester yet without schools needing to quarantine students/staff. You have schools being picketed and their staff being harassed for requiring masks and distancing. There’s enormous pressure to go back to “normal” for school sports.

It’s always easy to make demands when it’s not you or yours in danger.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:19:01pm

re: #11 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Minnesota was at 2.2k - but they also had 45k tests, which is an enormous increase in their testing compared to previously, and still has us sitting near a 5% new positive/test %.

The Nebraska Panhandle’s cumulative cases chart slope is now almost vertical. Today 21 more people were reported positive.

By age, 10-19, 20-29, 40-49, and 50-59 are all tied.

Weekly positivity rate: 22.3% (genocide territory).

Total positive since April 1: 1,300. Active: 321 (about a quarter of all cases)

pphd.org

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:20:09pm

re: #3 Teddy’s Person ✌

I wonder what Moscow winters are like when Putin no longer has any use for you?

If Trump goes to Russia he will fall out of a window within a week.

Putin knows Trump can’t keep his mouth shut, and dead men tell no tales.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:25:48pm

*sigh*

We know where this shit is going. The media has hoped in vain for a “scandal” that would revive the “horse race” narrative and so they’re latching onto whatever floats by. Of course, next step in this farcical dance?

“Voters troubled that Biden won’t answer questions about Hunter!”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:27:07pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:28:15pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

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cat-tikvah  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:32:13pm

re: #35 🌹UOJB!

Over 30 years ago I visited the Soviet Union with a group of fellow nurses. We dubbed Aeroflot the “subway of the skies”.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:33:13pm

Memories of Grandma Bacon talking about the 1918 epidemic.

Grandma said that the second was hit hard in September 1918. People laid the blame on Wilson and that November the Republicans got control of Congress. The GOP campaign whipped up the blame game.

I’m wondering if the pattern will repeat in 2020…with a massive Democratic sweep.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:41:46pm

re: #80 NetworkKed

I didn’t think Hayes was usually that delusional. Was he trying to quote someone and missing badly?

Yes. He was quoting Mayor London Breed of San Francisco, and displayed a letter from her office.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:42:40pm

Go fuck yourself, Jonah.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:43:20pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

We haven’t even managed a single semester yet without schools needing to quarantine students/staff. You have schools being picketed and their staff being harassed for requiring masks and distancing. There’s enormous pressure to go back to “normal” for school sports.

It’s always easy to make demands when it’s not you or yours in danger.

The children who are suffering most because of distance learning are minorities. As an African-American, and someone who attended San Francisco public schools, she’s probably pretty sensitive to that issue.

On the other side, San Francisco has now reached category orange, the second best level in California. With a population of about 880,000, it has a .9% rate of positive tests, and had 25 new cases today (numbers have been dropping steadily since late August.). There is a total of 29 hospitalized patients. That, and the problems with distance learning, are what is driving the conflict here.

I seriously doubt that school sports are much of a factor — all the pressure I’ve seen about school sports has been at college level.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:47:11pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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We know where this shit is going. The media has hoped in vain for a “scandal” that would revive the “horse race” narrative and so they’re latching onto whatever floats by. Of course, next step in this farcical dance?

“Voters troubled that Biden won’t answer questions about Hunter!”

Biden had the right response. It would be far better to go that angle.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:49:20pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

*sigh*

Joe Biden blasts CBS reporter for asking about NY Post report on Hunter Biden.

We know where this shit is going. The media has hoped in vain for a “scandal” that would revive the “horse race” narrative and so they’re latching onto whatever floats by. Of course, next step in this farcical dance?

“Voters troubled that Biden won’t answer questions about Hunter!”

You go Joe. Blast them some more.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:50:35pm

re: #96 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

The children who are suffering most because of distance learning are minorities. As an African-American, and someone who attended San Francisco public schools, she’s probably pretty sensitive to that issue.

On the other side, San Francisco has now reached category orange, the second best level in California. With a population of about 880,000, it has a .9% rate of positive tests, and had 25 new cases today (numbers have been dropping steadily since late August.). There is a total of 29 hospitalized patients. That, and the problems with distance learning, are what is driving the conflict here.

I seriously doubt that school sports are much of a factor — all the pressure I’ve seen about school sports has been at college level.

They’re playing football here in Texas because it’s part of our religion here. Bands are marching. Well, some, and only at home games. Alvarado high school’s entire band is in quarantine because ten of them tested positive.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:51:19pm

It’s funny because Conan:

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:54:39pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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We know where this shit is going. The media has hoped in vain for a “scandal” that would revive the “horse race” narrative and so they’re latching onto whatever floats by. Of course, next step in this farcical dance?

“Voters troubled that Biden won’t answer questions about Hunter!”

Did she do the Michael Tracey thing, too?

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:55:30pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 9:57:57pm

re: #102 Belafon

As for early voting, after three days of balloting, Denton County led Texas with 21% of its registered voters having cast ballots in person or by mail. The share of registered voters who had cast ballots was also noticeably high in Collin County, at 19%. Following Collin were Dallas County (15%) and Tarrant County (14%).

Add in Harris County (16%), Bexar County (14%), Travis County (16%) and El Paso County (14%), and all eight of the state’s most populous counties saw at least 14% of their registered voters cast ballots by the end of the first three days of early voting.

Through the first three days, Harris County led the way in cumulative in-person and mail voters, with 399,713. On Friday, Harris County posted its fourth straight day of turnout over 100,000, pushing its total ballot count to roughly 500,000.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:13:58pm

re: #96 A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con

The children who are suffering most because of distance learning are minorities. As an African-American, and someone who attended San Francisco public schools, she’s probably pretty sensitive to that issue.

Here the problem is a bit different: The people suffering most under distance-learning are rural students, due to the lack of connexions due to the prohibitive cost from our monopoly telephone company as the only provider.

The cost of my Internet service went up again this month. It is now $138 a month to maintain ADSL service.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:14:31pm

Kansas City-area hospitals overwhelmed, turn away ambulances

[…]

“I worry that if we don’t start taking this seriously as a metropolitan area, we’re going to be the next New York,” Larsen said. “We’re going to be the next hot spot, because though we have a lot of hospitals, we have a lot of capacity in the area, we are filling up fast.”

[…]

That ship has sailed. The Missouri governor is all Trumper and won’t have for no government tyranny of masks and distancing.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:15:02pm

Erdogan no give a shit, Trump do nothing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:17:40pm

re: #106 Dread Pirate Ron

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Erdogan no give a shit, Trump do nothing.

I fear Trump’s fuckups are going to trigger the next massive world war.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:17:59pm

re: #95 Dread Pirate Ron

Why are you saying that?
I don’t care for Lumpy Pantload either but this is in defense of Joe dealing with his sons addiction.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:18:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:19:31pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In three months my Internet service cost exceeds my property tax bill.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:19:34pm

I teach all my dogs english, always a mistake. They use my words against me. My dog demands the evening walk I promised him at noon. Bastard.
re: #108 Dave In Austin

Why are you saying that?
I don’t care for Lumpy Pantload either but this is in defense of Joe dealing with his sons addiction.

Oh! My bad, I misread that.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:20:38pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:21:36pm

re: #95 Dread Pirate Ron

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Go fuck yourself, Jonah.

I haven’t seen the exchange in question so shouldn’t comment but isn’t Jonah’s tweet basically supporting Joe, unless of course the purported texts are all fraudulent.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:22:50pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:26:01pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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I wonder how many people make that reference not knowing where it comes from.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:27:44pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I don’t understand what that means.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:29:05pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t understand what that means.

It’s from Demolition Man.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:29:16pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t understand what that means.

Oh this is one of the times Google is your friend…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:30:37pm

Weird, it’s just before midnight here and Panhandle Public Health District just revised the cases by age bar graph. Total cases today did not change.

Now most by age its 20-29, then 40-49, then 10-19, then 50-59 (the had them all tied a couple hours ago).

Were they confusing ten year olds with fifty year olds?

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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:30:57pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I don’t understand what that means.

There was this awesomely bad 90’s star vehicle/action flick in which Sylvester Stallone woke up in the future and couldn’t figure out how to use the toilet…

Wesley Snipes, and Sting on the soundtrack. Saw that so many times.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:33:24pm

re: #118 🌹UOJB!

Oh this is one of the times Google is your friend…

Google is often my friend — especially in trying to resolve minor printer and other computer-related problems. And in tracking down casts and episodes for various series or movies!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:34:15pm

re: #118 🌹UOJB!

Oh this is one of the times Google is your friend…

I put in “three shells washcloth toilet” and got a bunch of videos of a clip from the 1993 film “Demolition Man” and an explanatory video I put below.

I feel like Temperance Brennan on “Bones” who responds to pop culture references with “I don’t know what that means.”

(5:33)

Demolition Man 3 Shells Mystery - Curious To Know

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:36:21pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

In three months my Internet service cost exceeds my property tax bill.

I know you’re out in the boonies and may have addressed this and I missed it, but have you looked into a satellite internet system?

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:37:53pm

So the hacks at CBS are now doing what hacks do best: Whining.

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:41:59pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Here the problem is a bit different: The people suffering most under distance-learning are rural students, due to the lack of connexions due to the prohibitive cost from our monopoly telephone company as the only provider.

The cost of my Internet service went up again this month. It is now $138 a month to maintain ADSL service.

Not all that different. The people who are having trouble are having it because the costs are prohibitive to them. Sometimes “infrastructure” is a problem, too.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:46:28pm

re: #123 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I know you’re out in the boonies and may have addressed this and I missed it, but have you looked into a satellite internet system?

Yes. It is actually more expensive, as every company but two are now out of the business.

satelliteinternet.com

Free Installation

Viasat offers free installation to qualifying customers, a low equipment leasing fee of just $9.99 per month, and plenty of ways to contact customer service if you have any issues. To get free installation, customers need to have a credit check and receive a high score. If a customer’s credit score isn’t high enough to qualify for free installation, Viasat will charge a $99.99 installation fee.

Lots of choices

There are a variety of Viasat plans with different internet speeds, pricing, and data caps—although Viasat likes to call them “data thresholds” because your service won’t get cut off if you hit the limit.

If you reach the threshold before the end of the month, Viasat will deprioritize your data on the network. That means your connection will be much slower for the rest of the month. So, pick a plan that gives you enough priority data to last through the month.

Homelessness has ruined my credit forever; when I married my wife they lowered her credit rating.

HughesNet offers the best value on satellite internet because it gives you the most speed for the lowest price. Viasat does have one cheaper package than HughesNet, but the download speed on that package is only 12 Mbps, which falls below the FCC broadband standard. When you compare only satellite plans that meet the broadband standard, you could save over $10 per month by choosing HughesNet.

Data bonus zone

HughesNet data caps range from 10 GB per month up to 50 GB per month. If you hit your data limit, your service will still work, but it will be much slower for the rest of the month. So instead of experiencing download speeds of 25 Mbps like you normally would, your connection will be slowed to 1 to 3 Mbps, which may prevent you from streaming video content steadily. (Netflix’s lowest recommended speed is 1.5 Mbps, although they recommend at least 3 Mbps for standard definition streaming.) You can buy extra data if you need it, but you can save data by using the Bonus Zone. The Bonus Zone is during the off-peak hours between 2:00 a.m. and 8:00 a.m. You get 50 GB per month of Bonus Zone data with each plan.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:46:33pm

The ratio:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:50:10pm

re: #127 Belafon

The ratio:

I recall about a year ago conservative politicians trying to work the refs at Twitter saying they needed to hide the engagement numbers on tweets because ratios were censorship.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:54:06pm

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yes. It is actually more expensive, as every company but two are now out of the business.

satelliteinternet.com

Homelessness has ruined my credit forever; when I married my wife they lowered her credit rating.

O.K. I was just wondering if it would be a viable alternative for you.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:55:47pm
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NetworkKed  Oct 16, 2020 • 10:56:01pm

Unfortunately I’ve never seen a satellite plan that wasn’t a complete disaster on multiple levels. Price, speeds, caps, and the impossible latency numbers…

Locally, people off the cable and DSL grids tend to find the next option is cellular modem/tethering. It’s not a great option, but if you have the signal then the plans are usually national deals, not locally-priced gouging. If you’re waaaaay off the map that may not be an option.

There are a couple of companies around here which sell direct tower-to-tower wireless, even to residential clients. The startup costs on that tend to be fearsome unless you luck out on LOS, though. And weather has a tendency to break things.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:04:45pm

re: #131 NetworkKed

Unfortunately I’ve never seen a satellite plan that wasn’t a complete disaster on multiple levels. Price, speeds, caps, and the impossible latency numbers…

Locally, people off the cable and DSL grids tend to find the next option is cellular modem/tethering. It’s not a great option, but if you have the signal then the plans are usually national deals, not locally-priced gouging. If you’re waaaaay off the map that may not be an option.

There are a couple of companies around here which sell direct tower-to-tower wireless, even to residential clients. The startup costs on that tend to be fearsome unless you luck out on LOS, though. And weather has a tendency to break things.

The bold text is what I use at my secondary residence (AT&T go phone “unlimited” data” plan). If memory serves me well. AM is in a cell dead zone. That’s why I was asking/wondering about satellite service.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:05:17pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Jon Ossoff
@ossoff

US Senate candidate, GA
My opponent, GOP Sen. David Perdue of anti-Semitic attack ad infamy, just mocked Sen. Harris’ name as “Kamala-mala-mala-whatever” at a Trump rally.

We are so much better than this.

Not true of anyone supporting the GOP. They are exactly like this. Recall the late Herman Cain achieved some notoriety years ago by jokingly pronouncing Uzbekistan as “Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan”.

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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:05:39pm

re: #112 🌹UOJB!

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No matter what the original patent says, as a practical matter, it doesn’t really matter which way you hang your toilet paper. It’s like arguing over exactly how well or rare you prefer to have your steak or what sauce(s) you put on it. It is utterly insignificant.

However, if you have cats who like to bat the toilet paper roll and make it spin, enrolling the paper onto the floor, putting the paper on the “wrong” way is more useful in preserving your supply.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:12:29pm

re: #132 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

The bold text is what I use at my secondary residence (AT&T go phone “unlimited” data” plan). If memory serves me well. AM is in a cell dead zone. That’s why I was asking/wondering about satellite service.

Yes I’m in a cell dead zone (called western Nebraska). There is cell service in the towns.

We even have a cell tower only three blocks from my house, but the signal is oriented to provide service up and down US-26, so only a couple people in town can actually use the service (Viero is the provider).

A competitor to CenturyLink, a wireless company from Colorado named VistaBeam, came to town to set up wireless service from our water tower. The day after they completed installing their antennas, electrical boxes, and alarm system, the town was hit by a tornado and destroyed their equipment. They have not replaced it.

Assuming they do, you can only use the service if you have line-of-sight to the water tower (I don’t).

Their pricing is here.
vistabeam.com (it ain’t cheap)

Vistabeam taking over Panhandle, eastern Wyo. (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, April 2, 2009)

That takeover is sure taking a long time.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:18:04pm

re: #134 A Three Hour Tour

However, if you have cats who like to bat the toilet paper roll and make it spin, enrolling the paper onto the floor, putting the paper on the “wrong” way is more useful in preserving your supply.

Until the cats learn how to bat the roll the “wrong” way as well….

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IngisKahn  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:24:08pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Hopefully Starlink will be available soon.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:32:44pm

re: #137 IngisKahn

Hopefully Starlink will be available soon.

SpaceX Indicates More Beta Testers Are Receiving Access to Starlink (PC Magazine, nine hours ago)

SpaceX’s presentation to the FCC also shows the company has introduced a software upgrade that can boost the satellite network’s speeds by 2.5 times from the previous speed tests

SpaceX is indicating more beta testers for Starlink have begun trying out the high-speed satellite internet network.

On Tuesday, the company gave an update to the Federal Communications Commission on its progress with developing the satellite broadband network. According to the presentation slides, Starlink has already “begun beta service for users across multiple US states.”

Whether the beta testers were recruited through starlink.com’s email newsletter, which anyone can sign up for, is unclear. But the same presentation references how SpaceX last month began offering access to Starlink for certain residents in Washington state who had their homes burnt down in the recent wildfires.

The company also notes Starlink has been “providing service to previously unserved students in rural areas.” This might include a Native American Tribe based in Washington state, which has also received early access to Starlink

(more)

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2020 • 11:42:08pm

re: #46 A Mom Anon

The Pete Souza documentary is just starting on MSNBC. I’m already getting choked up.

Just watched it. OMG, what a stunning film. Oscar contender, for sure. (also, I somehow hadn’t heard about his 2nd book, Shade. I have to buy it right away.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:05:35am

The judiciary committee of the Unicameral got a stunning revelation about police training in Nebraska yesterday.

The Legislature’s Judiciary Committee was about four hours into a hearing on police reform when senators heard the revelation.

In Nebraska, police can be hired in small communities across the state and work a year with no training.

Brandon Lorenson, past president of the Police Officers Association of Nebraska and a Fremont Police Department detective, told the committee a person could begin working as a police officer without being certified or trained by the Nebraska Law Enforcement Training Center in Grand Island.

Training is expensive, and small cities and villages can’t really afford it. It is compounded by the fact when a village or city does get a trained police officer, they frequently move to a larger city with better pay.

(Our town marshal has been to the Law Enforcement Training Center; he is an exception for most small towns.)

But the discussion on officers working without training stunned some members of the committee.

Sen. Steve Lathrop: “So, I can carry a gun, wear a badge and enforce the law in Small Town, Nebraska … not going through the training academy at Grand Island first?”

Lorenson: “That is accurate.”

Lathrop asked again. Could he come from a job flipping burgers to being a sworn police office for a year before going to the police academy? And again, Lorenson said, yes, as long as the person was 21, and had a high school or general educational diploma.

(more)

Judiciary Committee hears six hours of testimony on policing in Nebraska (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:16:38am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

These satellites will be the bane of astronomers.

And they are also a sign that we’re heading into the glibertarian dystopia, where anyone can do anything without having governments regulate them.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:23:08am

A milestone in pop music:

The Penguins - Earth Angel (SINGLE TRACK)



..

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:28:51am

re: #81 Belafon

Sounds like the San Francisco mayor needs to be replaced with someone less racist.

“Racist”? Really?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:30:19am

There’s this thing that is happening that does not get enough though and reflection by talking head programs that fill our lives, though a few historians probably take note.

We are now living in a period that allows us to hear people from one, two, or three generations (or more) who lived before us.

And in the performing arts that means we now have genres that have a phenomenon that hadn’t happened in the past, a type of time travel if you will.

We now make cultural connections through sound and visual means, not just written, across decades, and now even centuries.

I’m not sure where this is leading, in regards to creativity in arts. I don’t know if someone 200 years from now will still have access to what was recorded in say the 1950’s, since we don’t know what sort of dystopias may lay before us. Perhaps we will continue on somehow with our high energy per capita lifestyles and our digital information will remain accessible.

If so, I wonder how music, dancing, and theatre will be at that time. Will everyone compare themselves to the greats of the 20th century? Or will people just give up doing new work, and just keep rewatching/rehearing old material?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:40:27am

re: #78 Dread Pirate Ron

We could play battling anecdotes all day … my area one of the highest age groups for the disease is 10-19. If staff is getting sick, I wonder who’s making them that way as conservatives here force schools open despite their statements in April saying they would close if transmission went to “high.”

re: #143 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

“Racist”? Really?

Mayor Breed gets attacked by racists. I don’t recall her being accused of racism.

‘Blatantly racist’ billboard attacking SF Mayor London Breed slammed by local leaders (San Francisco Chronicle)

She was also sued by wingnuts for trying to pressure advert agencies to remove racist advertising. That suit went nowhere.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:55:52am

An Anti-Choice Lady Made A Sitcom And It Is Like A D&C For Your Brain (Wonkette)

If there is anything conservatives love to complain about, it is the evils of Liberal Hollywood. They love to claim that there is some kind of evil conspiracy keeping conservatives from being big time movie stars (except for Mel Gibson, James Woods, and at least half the cast of Deliverance) and from writing and directing movies about things from their perspective. And that’s true. We very rarely see heartwarming films telling the stories of bakers who just want to be allowed to discriminate against gay people or hero insurance executives saving their companies from financial ruin by refusing to cover someone’s cancer treatment.

To that, I always say, “Well then make your own movies! Do your own things! What do you need our help and approval for? Whatever happened to personal responsibility?”

Well, sometimes they oblige.

Janet Porter is an anti-choice, anti-gay activist who is the president and founder of Faith2Action, a Southern Poverty Law Center-designated hate group. She is best known for lobbying for so-called Heartbeat bills and Partial Birth Abortion bills and other dubiously described bills. Oh, and for being a spokesperson for Roy Moore during his 2017 campaign, because if there is anything a lady of upstanding Christian moral character loves, it is an adult man who gets kicked out of the mall for leching after teenage girls.

(more on this wonderful lady at the link)

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 12:57:19am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:02:06am

Twitter appears to be out of commission again, at least me accessing their Website.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:03:38am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I’m still able to access my Home twitter page.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:06:33am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:08:25am

re: #149 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m still able to access my Home twitter page.

It came back for me. Apparently there was a burp or something.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:12:39am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You have some real winners out there.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:13:56am

Alphabet’s companies offer all these services for “free” like Youtube and Google, but of course then they don’t feel obliged to respond to complaints.

I don’t like that I can’t stop Autoplay on Youtube, at least for some playlists. The old Autoplay switch is just gone. Kaput.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:16:20am

And of course the “Help” sections of both Youtube and Google are full of out of date answers. They just don’t apply anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:17:53am

re: #152 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

You have some real winners out there.

Senator Greone represents the area around North Platte. He’s a conservative’s conservative.

Meanwhile, Wonkette linked this tweet in their article above.

The second half of the trailer is in the second tweet in the thread.

Needless to say, there is ruthless mockery of every aspect of this pilot.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:18:01am

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Why doesn’t someone bankroll the old PAX network? Dick Van Dyke’s estate can use more residuals from airing Diagnosis Murder for the 821st time.

Seriously, if popular culture is so bad and filthy, there have to be a lot of people who shelter-in-place metaphorically. Where are they?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:37:05am

re: #9 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Moscow? Nyet, comrade. Those who fall afoul of Comrade Putin find themselves wandering the Siberian tundra.

He can still be of great use to Vlad as a destabilizing factor.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:39:21am

It’s not just Catholics, they just get better press.

A Popular Christian Singer Was Accused of Sexual Abuse at Church Retreats (Friendly Atheist)

Chris Rice spent more than two decades as a popular Christian singer and songwriter, even winning a Dove Award (a.k.a. a Christian Grammy) in 1999. During his most prolific period, from 1995 to 2003, he also led worship at church retreats sponsored by Tates Creek Presbyterian Church in Kentucky.

The church’s former pastor had been accused of sexual abuse, so the leadership decided to hire investigators to look into the matter last year. In the process of gathering facts, they discovered that Rice himself had abused children during those retreats. They issued a statement [goes to Tate’s Creek Presbyterian Church] about the matter yesterday:

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:41:04am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He can still be of great use to Vlad as a destabilizing factor.

Trump proclaiming a government-in-exile or something, directing the hordes of the Faithful from afar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:43:27am

re: #56 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’ve never seen Kimmy Schmidt. I’ll have to watch for it.

The only reason I knew about this was because someone here posted the tweet. It wasn’t very visible on Twitter. It would have been much bigger had it been advertised more.

I read a review describing it as the sort of show you either watch with your girlfriend or watch on your own so that you can at least talk about to women at the party so they don’t brush you off as undateable.

I even watched the first two episodes but did not continue, but I would have watched it with my GF at the time. Current GF is into Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:45:22am

re: #73 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Caught Perdue’s mocking of Senator Harris’: name. Instant observation but he’s emulating Trump not just the behavior but the body language. Fuck Trump and GOTV.

This is where the Oxford Comma is most needed:

Fuck Trump and GOTV

vs

Fuck Trump, and GOTV

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:51:18am

Speaking of the future (which I was upstream), now for something completely different:

Maurice Béjart – Mass For The Future Time

..

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:53:27am
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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 1:54:42am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:04:00am
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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:16:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:20:23am

re: #92 cat-tikvah

Over 30 years ago I visited the Soviet Union with a group of fellow nurses. We dubbed Aeroflot the “subway of the skies”.

Socialist Ryan Air

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:21:38am

re: #93 🌹UOJB!

Memories of Grandma Bacon talking about the 1918 epidemic.

Grandma said that the second was hit hard in September 1918. People laid the blame on Wilson and that November the Republicans got control of Congress. The GOP campaign whipped up the blame game.

I’m wondering if the pattern will repeat in 2020…with a massive Democratic sweep.

Biden will face one tough decision not long after taking office: to continue to keep the stock market artificially afloat with another half a trillion in cash infusions or let it crash and recover back to where it would be without the Trump pump.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:22:09am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:22:39am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:27:14am
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steve_davis  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:42:41am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

They can’t keep him without a warrant. They could decline to board with him, but they can’t stop him from boarding.

they cannot “decline to board with him.” They’re his security detail and they ultimately answer to their oath and to Treasury. “You fellas stay here while I board this plane.” “Sorry, can’t do that sir.” “All right. Then you all come along while I board this plane that is not Air
Force One and we fly to Russia without having provided a flight plan or had anyone do any pre-ground security check for when we land.” “Sorry, can’t do that sir.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:48:03am

Regardless of the outcome on Nov 3, Trump will still have the full powers of the Executive Branch at his disposal until January 20th…

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Alephnaught  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:54:16am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:03:48am

You are not safe from racist Christians anywhere.

Whites-only church eyes small town; residents fear becoming ‘hate capital of Minnesota’ (NBC)

There is no doubt that if a case went to the courts, conservatives would rule on the grounds of “religious freedom” over racism.

Plans by a little-known whites-only church to open in a small Midwestern town drew sharp opposition Wednesday from residents, who don’t want their community known as “the hate capital of Minnesota.”

Nearly 50 residents of Murdock filed into a town hall to largely voice opposition to the Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) which wants to establish its Midwest regional center in the western Minnesota city that’s home to less than 300 people.

The AFA, based inBrownsville, California, calls its teachings an “expression of the native, pre-Christian spirituality of Europe.”

And on its website’s “Declaration of Purpose,” the church says teachings and membership are for those of strictly European bloodlines, saying, “Let us be clear: By European folks, we mean white people.”

Lifelong Murdock resident Pete Kennedy told lawmakers and neighbors on Wednesday that if AFA is allowed into town, the community would be known as “the hate capital of Minnesota.”

Kennedy told NBC News on Thursday that he fears other discriminatory groups could follow AFA into town and permanently tarnish Murdock’s reputation.

(more at NBC News)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:06:02am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You are not safe from racist Christians anywhere.

Whites-only church eyes small town; residents fear becoming ‘hate capital of Minnesota’ (NBC)

There is no doubt that if a case went to the courts, conservatives would rule on the grounds of “religious freedom” over racism.

(more at NBC News)

Didn’t the Mormon Church have to choose between racism and tax-free status at one point?

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John Hughes  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:07:13am

re: #134 A Three Hour Tour

However, if you have cats who like to bat the toilet paper roll and make it spin, enrolling the paper onto the floor, putting the paper on the “wrong” way is more useful in preserving your supply.

In the video game Fallout 4 many people complain that the CIT (analog of MIT) puts it’s TP the “wrong” way round.

If you explore all their base you can find a hidden corridor filled with cat corpses.

(The TP joke carried on in Fallout 76, the TP in your room is the “right” way round with a post-it note stuck next to the holder reminding you).

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:13:25am

re: #174 Alephnaught

I was going to post a profound thought but that calf made me forgetted it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:14:13am

re: #171 Sufficient unto the day…

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Any time I hear “Dr/Prof (insert name) has a model that has correctly predicted elections going back…,” I immediately roll my eyes and stop reading. It might have been impressive to say that 5 of 6 elections that he’s applied it to before the final vote tally was known. But when you try the “It accurately predicts past elections!,” that’s a might like saying “I can accurately predict last week’s weather!”

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:14:55am
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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:17:48am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t the Mormon Church have to choose between racism and tax-free status at one point?

Yes. The church leader had a convenient revelation that blacks should be welcomed in his church.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:18:19am

re: #179 Targetpractice

Psycho-history and the mathematics behind it are still in their infancy. Give it a few hundred years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:20:29am

re: #181 Sherlock Hound

Yes. The church leader had a convenient revelation that blacks should be welcomed in his church.

God works in mysterious ways.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:20:43am

re: #182 Dread Pirate Ron

Psycho-history and the mathematics behind it are still in their infancy. Give it a few hundred years.

I can’t remember the SF novel I read: A cabal DID run the world using a kind of psychohistory.

They were incompetent.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:21:37am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Didn’t the Mormon Church have to choose between racism and tax-free status at one point?

This case is a bit more complicated. The church existed before the town planning commission did, as a Presbyterian church. As such, when the planning commission laid out zoning for the town, the church was excepted from residential zoning in that area because it was there first.

The church closed many years ago; as such, any new purchaser can only use the church as a residence (it must now comply with the zoning regulations).

The town government is expected to vote on the zoning issue in a few days; the new church is confident the town will grant them the permit. Failing that, they intend to take a town of 300 people as far up the court system as they can afford, and they have a lot more money than a Minnesota village.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:30:20am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

Given current events, a theory such as that must be investigated as a possibility…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:31:46am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

I can’t remember the SF novel I read: A cabal DID run the world using a kind of psychohistory.

They were incompetent.

Issac Asimov’s “Foundation,” “Foundation and Empire,” and “Second Foundation.”

The Foundation were the psychohistorians who predicted the fall of the sclerotic Galactic Empire by a series of events which could be predicted by the behaviour of masses of large numbers of people.

The psychohistorians themselves were also puppeteers who helped guide the course of events, until a single person came along that their mathematics could not predict and upset the whole balance.

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:41:22am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Issac Asimov’s “Foundation,” “Foundation and Empire,” and “Second Foundation.”

The Foundation were the psychohistorians who predicted the fall of the sclerotic Galactic Empire by a series of events which could be predicted by the behaviour of masses of large numbers of people.

The psychohistorians themselves were also puppeteers who helped guide the course of events, until a single person came along that their mathematics could not predict and upset the whole balance.

Not Asimov.

I’m thinking Michael Flynn was the author.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:42:35am

Another issue the racist church can use is the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act. That act specifically prohibits using zoning regulations to regulate religious activities.

This is similar to the case a former member of this group who is no longer here asked about a mosque here in Nebraska, which I researched for him including putting in calls to the mosque and talking to CAIR.

In that case, the mosque wished to expand its parking lot to handle increased attendance at the mosque. They already owned the land on which they wanted to expand their parking lot.

The city first tried to oppose it on the grounds that they would have to do a traffic study, widen the street, and install a traffic light, which the city said they couldn’t afford. The mosque offered a compromise in that they said they would pay for all of that.

They then said it would increase traffic in a residential area and the residents would object. Aside from that not being a legal argument, the residents themselves called BS on the city.

The city then pulled out zoning regulations which said that land couldn’t be used to build a parking lot, which is different zoning than a church or mosque.

The mosque then pulled out the RFRA and threatened to go after the city in court. The city backed down and the parking lot went forward, along with the street-widening.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:47:04am

re: #188 Sherlock Hound

Not Asimov.

I’m thinking Michael Flynn was the author.

That book would be “In the Country of the Blind” (1990) though he called it “cliology.”

First paragraphs:

Sarah Beaumont escaped from the modern American ghetto to become a successful journalist, programmer and real estate investor. However, while investigating an idea for developing her latest real estate purchase, she makes a stunning discovery: since the 19th century the course of history has been under the control of one of more groups of powerful and mysterious “cliologists” who use mathematics to predict the future. Like the “psychohistory” of Isaac Asimov’s Foundation stories, cliology is supposed to be able to make use of mathematical analysis of sociological factors in such a way that our 19th century mathematicians were able to predict World War II. Unfortunately, in trying to get America ready to fight the Nazis, they accidentally started the Civil War!

Only a small portion of the book takes place in the 19th century when these early cliologists use their Babbage Analytical Engines to make their predictions. Most takes place “now” while Sarah avenges the death of her friends at the hands of the cliologists.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:47:28am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

kasmana.people.cofc.edu

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:48:19am

Damn, my best friend for over 50 years is in the hospital with Covid. He’s obese, had a heart attack recently and is still recovering from that. He’s been sick for 2 weeks already and his breathing problems have worsened to the point of hospitalization. This timeline sucks. Can we have a reboot?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:51:25am

re: #192 Dread Pirate Ron

[[[DPR]]] I sincerely hope your friend’s health improves soon.

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Targetpractice  Oct 17, 2020 • 3:57:55am

re: #192 Dread Pirate Ron

Damn, my best friend for over 50 years is in the hospital with Covid. He’s obese, had a heart attack recently and is still recovering from that. He’s been sick for 2 weeks already and his breathing problems have worsened to the point of hospitalization. This timeline sucks. Can we have a reboot?

Temporal Accords bar us from resetting the timeline to an earlier version. Last time they tried, they ended up with a timeline where the Nazis won WWII.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:03:33am

re: #192 Dread Pirate Ron

Damn, my best friend for over 50 years is in the hospital with Covid. He’s obese, had a heart attack recently and is still recovering from that. He’s been sick for 2 weeks already and his breathing problems have worsened to the point of hospitalization. This timeline sucks. Can we have a reboot?

Sorry to hear that. One of my best buddies, an American expat living in Zurich, just reported this week that his wife and daughter both have Covid. Not hospitalized at all, both are young and healthy.

But scary.

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:10:56am

re: #195 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry to hear that. One of my best buddies, an American expat living in Zurich, just reported this week that his wife and daughter both have Covid. Not hospitalized at all, both are young and healthy.

But scary.

Yeah, when I heard he had Covid two weeks ago I knew it was going to go south. A lot of times I hate being correct in my assessments of situations. I still stand by my April prediction of 2,000,000 Americans dead before this is over.

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William Lewis  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:17:42am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Despite your love of the mile wide brush, neopaganism - in this case Asatru Norse neopaganism - is emphatically not Christianity. That is, rather the point of these groups and their racism is not from or by us.

If you wish to hate either group as usual, that’s fine, but do be aware that there in fact are differences between the two groups of people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:21:30am

re: #197 William Lewis

Despite your love of the mile wide brush, neopaganism - in this case Asatru Norse neopaganism - is emphatically not Christianity.

It almost makes a certain amount of sense that a religion based on the mythology of a people that knew of no other races would be very racially exclusive.

But again, I thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the divine foresight to separate Church and State. It is one of our strengths as a nation and to weaken that separation will weaken us as a whole.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:26:50am

re: #197 William Lewis

Despite your love of the mile wide brush, neopaganism - in this case Asatru Norse neopaganism - is emphatically not Christianity. That is, rather the point of these groups and their racism is not from or by us.

If you wish to hate either group as usual, that’s fine, but do be aware that there in fact are differences between the two groups of people.

Agreed. I was mistaken in them being Christians. Further reading indicates they claim to be following a pre-Christian Scandinavian religious faith which is contorted wildly from the original. This version only arose in the XIX Century in Austria, then imported into the USA by people like David Lane (he of the infamous fourteen words).

They also have entanglements with the Christian Identity movement (the racist belief that whites are the real Jews described in the Bible, descended from British Israelism, which is not explicitly racist).

I have trouble keeping all my bigots straight. I do know as an atheist they all want me dead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 4:39:46am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I have trouble keeping all my bigots straight. I do know as an atheist they all want me dead.

They just want you to convert (or die).

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:01:51am

re: #39 jaunte

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Axolotl  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:10:07am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Issac Asimov’s “Foundation,” “Foundation and Empire,” and “Second Foundation.”

The Foundation were the psychohistorians who predicted the fall of the sclerotic Galactic Empire by a series of events which could be predicted by the behaviour of masses of large numbers of people.

The psychohistorians themselves were also puppeteers who helped guide the course of events, until a single person came along that their mathematics could not predict and upset the whole balance.

Sounds a bit like the bene gesserits in Dune.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:10:42am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I was a practicing Wiccan for about 5 yrs a long time ago. There was a group of assorted pagans that met at a bookstore(telling you this was indeed awhile ago)and a couple of the guys were Asatru. They were really nice, but very stuck in gender roles and man as provider stuff. I didn’t see the racism, but the group itself was entirely white. This is suburbia after all.

I met quite a few nice people in that group of various neopagan beliefs. But like all religions, eventually a hierarchy forms and you end up with leaders and followers. I left religion entirely because of it. But, one thing I never saw or experienced was a hate of any religion or non believers. Unlike some Christian counterparts. Most of the people I knew, our group grew to around 50, were actually kind and generous. We had cops, full time moms, a doctor and a couple of nurses, a few small business owners, and yes all white. Not perfect people, but decent humans. The owner of the bookstore(a chain store called Border’s Books), was a Christian and had no issue with us meeting there.

I think the issue is more people who wear their beliefs or lack of beliefs,on their sleeves. I’ve lived here for around 25 yrs, and when my son was little, the moms at school had a thing about what church people attended. If you said none, you got excluded from their mommy club but I never gave a shit, I was too busy raising my kid. Beyond that, I have never had religion come up with other people(outside of my jerk face family) in day to day life. Again, I am a very white human, so I miss a lot of things others experience so everyone’s mileage may vary. I can see if I was in people’s faces about their beliefs and my lack of religion made me superior somehow, that wouldn’t go over, but in my life in general it isn’t a thing. There are churches and Christian schools all over the place here, people tend to cluster around their own communities and find their niches. One thing I have noticed over the last decade or so is those church parking lots aren’t as full on Sundays. One church about a mile down the road went bankrupt and has sat empty for a year with a construction project to build a larger parking lot abandoned. This is GA, and at least in north metro Atlanta, the church thing has lost some significance. Maybe we’re becoming a little more aware and accepting, it’s hard to say. The divisions now are liberal vs conservative, and religion does play a part in that but it’s more stupid conservative stereotypes about other aspects of liberalism that’s at issue.

All anecdotal, YMMV etc.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:27:12am

re: #203 A Mom Anon

Southern Poverty Law Center has a very long article on the Neo-Volk or Asatru.

Like most bigot groups, they couch their bigotry in dogwhistles.
splcenter.org

I’ve run into a few Wiccans and I don’t recall any one of them being a bigot. They mostly just want to be left alone.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:28:39am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Southern Poverty Law Center has a very long article on the Neo-Volk or Asatru.

Like most bigot groups, they couch their bigotry in dogwhistles.
splcenter.org

I’ve run into a few Wiccans and I don’t recall any one of them being a bigot. They mostly just want to be left alone.

I have never associated Wiccans with racial issues or identities.

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John Hughes  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:39:00am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

I can’t remember the SF novel I read: A cabal DID run the world using a kind of psychohistory.

They were incompetent.

In the country of the blind by Michael F Flynn?

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Dread Pirate Ron  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:40:48am

re: #203 A Mom Anon

Luckily, I grew up in California. Religion is much less predominant here than in the bible belt. Actually, I’m surprised by some of the states that are shown to be less religious than us. Montana?!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:40:58am

re: #109 Dave In Austin

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THIS is the correct way to replace a roll of TP right?

Not if you have a cat that is infatuated with playing with it. Saying that, our cat doesn’t have that fascination so that is how I hang ours. Supposedly according to the inventors drawings that is the correct way.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:44:03am

re: #124 Targetpractice

So the hacks at CBS are now doing what hacks do best: Whining.

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Fine, if you are going to amplify bullshit, ask tRump why he is boning his daughter.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:51:56am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I wonder how many members there are in these groups and if they combine with other militia types like we’re seeing now. I could see that happening in some parts of the country. I just never associated the Ásatrú guys I met with anything like that. One guy didn’t even own guns,he had swords and different kinds of bows and other stuff I didn’t recognize, blades on various handles, even a mace. He collected and made stuff in his own forge and all that.

I wonder how that group of people would go over now, as far as welcomed into a shop for meetups and stuff. The suburbs here aren’t as white as they were then, and liberal vs conservative wasn’t as contentious and mean. Racism has always had a home here though and that is bigger than conservative vs liberal. We have a fair share of misogyny and then some too, a lot of that was put in the open when Hillary was running for President, and it’s been transferred to Kamala. Georgia is a weird place to live.

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TarHellion  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:52:47am

Absentee and one-stop early voting totals in NC are off the charts compared to 4 years ago. MrsTarH and I plan to vote later today.

On a side note, we have noticed several of these FFVCS merchandise tents being set up each day along a main corridor that runs from where I work to where I live (about 20 miles). Yes, you can buy your very own Orange Anus as Rambo fabric!.

My county went 75 percent for Cheeto Benito in 2016. Here’s hoping the strong numbers that have been reported in Wake, Mecklenburg, Durham and other metro counties offset the rural totals.

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:52:55am

So is trump threatening to leave if when he loses or is he promising?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:53:44am

re: #207 Dread Pirate Ron

pewforum.org

Interestingly, clicking on the map for Nebraska doesn’t give you any sort of breakdown.

Switching to table mode, it says 20% of the state is unaffiliated based on a sample of 312 people, but that’s all they give.

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:56:03am

re: #209 Eventual Carrion

Fine, if you are going to amplify bullshit, ask tRump why he is boning his daughter.

we most certainly can and should normalize insulting reporters for asking stupid irrelevant or idiotic questions:

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jeffreyw  Oct 17, 2020 • 5:56:56am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:03:21am

re: #166 Dread Pirate Ron

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:13:47am

Looks like some grift going in at LP

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John Hughes  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:17:44am

re: #188 Sherlock Hound

Not Asimov.

I’m thinking Michael Flynn was the author.

In Flynn’s “The country of the blind” the problem wasn’t that the cabal were incompet, the problem was that they were divided, partly because it turned out to be “steam engine time” for psychohistory and partly because psychohistorical effects also applied to people attempting to manipulate others using psychohistorical techniques.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:17:54am

This is only a surprise if it’s hard to change channels. Playing on three networks doesn’t mean much in a sea of hundreds:

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A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:18:31am

Looking through some of the articles at pew research, it seems like one trend is younger people enjoying the ritual and family time of going to church, but privately don’t have the same beliefs as their parents. So it’s the routine and structure that is appealing, not necessarily the actual church and religious aspects. That makes sense, it also might help explain those less full parking lots on Sundays.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:21:08am
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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:22:32am
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A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:26:37am

re: #216 Belafon

I know a fun way to get some of that money back. Properly fund and staff the IRS with a team of forensic accountants that can find and tax hidden wealth and rescind tax breaks and close some fucking loopholes.

You know it’s coming too…”we can’t afford to……right now because we’re in too much debt”. Gee, where DID all that money go? Hmmm. Why doesn’t anyone ever ask that question?

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:30:03am

re: #219 Belafon

This is only a surprise if it’s hard to change channels. Playing on three networks doesn’t mean much in a sea of hundreds:

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According to Mark Cuban (reported on the View), the TikTok kids did a Tulsa to get everyone’s TV’s tuned to Biden’s town hall because they knew it would irritate Trump.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:30:29am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:35:41am

re: #217 dangerman

Looks like some grift going in at LP

One comment in the thread:

Quick: Outside the emoluments clauses, where does it say in the Constitution you cannot influence politicians?

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:35:59am

Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s effective, but it’s a first step. It also means we’ll be getting one every year.

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:39:52am

re: #220 A Mom Anon

Looking through some of the articles at pew research, it seems like one trend is younger people enjoying the ritual and family time of going to church, but privately don’t have the same beliefs as their parents. So it’s the routine and structure that is appealing, not necessarily the actual church and religious aspects. That makes sense, it also might help explain those less full parking lots on Sundays.

Or more car pooling ;-) // (1/2)

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:40:02am

re: #226 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:46:40am

re: #226 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

One comment in the thread:

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Quick: Outside the emoluments clauses, where does it say in the Constitution you cannot influence politicians?

Folks need to check that first amendment

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:47:46am

re: #227 Belafon

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Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s effective, but it’s a first step. It also means we’ll be getting one every year.

Revenue stream vs one and done
A good sound business model

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:49:27am

re: #231 dangerman

Revenue stream vs one and done
A good sound business model

It is funny that nature doesn’t care what type of economy we have.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:52:52am

Fuck the people behind the Lincoln Project. But let them do their thing. They are getting Republicans on board. I’ll take that help. I’ll never forget how we got here (all of them) but for now, let them do their work. They’re savaging trump and his criminal cabal. They hit dirty. Go with God.

And after the election, I’ll still feel about them as I do now.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:53:31am

re: #229 Belafon

A lot of people have complained for a long time on how much money is spent on political campaigns, particularly the presidential campaign.

The Washington Post reported that the estimated amount spent in 2016 on the presidential race, primaries and all, was $6.5 billion (according to Open Secrets).

washingtonpost.com

This kind of falls into the fallacy of large numbers. That’s about $28 per person in the United States.

It also ignores how frightfully expensive radio and television advertising is in some markets. It costs a fuquetonne more to put an advert on a television station in New York City than it does in Scottsbluff.

I’m all for public financing of elections, and getting rid of private funding to the greatest extent possible. The devil would be in the details of how you ensure candidates receive a fair amount of money to run a campaign (plus avoiding running afoul of Freedom of Association for political parties).

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:54:22am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Oct 17, 2020 • 6:56:03am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:01:24am

E.W. Jackson Says Nancy Pelosi’s Prayers Are ‘A Blasphemy Against God’ (Right Wing Watch)

Apparently prayers only count if you’re a conservative.

(with audio from Jackson’s programme.)

On Friday’s episode of his “The Awakening” radio program, right-wing pastor E.W. Jackson railed against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and declared that her prayers are “blasphemy against God.”

Jackson was outraged by Pelosi’s proposal to establish a congressional commission that would have the power to remove a president from office under the 25th Amendment.

“Can Nancy Pelosi get any crazier?” Jackson fumed. “Nancy Pelosi is wasting everybody’s time with this nonsense.”

“Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speak,” Jackson added, quoting a passage from Luke 6. “A good person out of the good treasure of their heart brings forth good things, and an evil person out of the evil treasure of the heart brings forth evil things. I think we can say case closed as to what is in Nancy Pelosi’s heart.”

“She talks about when she prays for the president,” he continued. “Folks, as far as I’m concerned—I’m serious about this—I wouldn’t want Nancy Pelosi praying for me. I really wouldn’t. I really wouldn’t because I just believe that’s a blasphemy against God. I’m serious about that. I believe that’s just a blasphemy against God. You better pray for yourself and ask God to forgive you. That’s what you better do. And ask God to cleanse you of all that mess in your head and in your heart. That’s what you better do. You better ask Jesus to save you.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:06:44am
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:13:52am

re: #134 A Three Hour Tour

No matter what the original patent says, as a practical matter, it doesn’t really matter which way you hang your toilet paper. It’s like arguing over exactly how well or rare you prefer to have your steak or what sauce(s) you put on it. It is utterly insignificant.

However, if you have cats who like to bat the toilet paper roll and make it spin, enrolling the paper onto the floor, putting the paper on the “wrong” way is more useful in preserving your supply.

Depending on the cat.

Tuxedo Cat simply varied how she played with it. Hanging “over the top” she batted at the roll itself to get it to unroll. Hanging “behind the roll” she batted/pulled at the part hanging down and got it to unroll that way.

Tigerlily’s approach is simply to pull the roll off the dispenser and then rake the entire roll with her rear claws. (See picture below where the roll is just to the left of L.C.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:14:30am

Hacksmith Industries YouTube Channel (18:15) manufactures what they claim is the world’s first retractable and fully-functional light sabre. It burns at about 4,000°F.

(18:15 YouTube video embedded in the article)

nerdist.com

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:22:55am

re: #184 Sherlock Hound

I can’t remember the SF novel I read: A cabal DID run the world using a kind of psychohistory.

They were incompetent.

Asimov’s Foundation Series was a group trying to react to psychohistory predicting the Empire collapsing. And a huge wrench tossed in the works by something turning up that psychohistory could not predict.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:23:06am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

This applies to everything these assholes believe. It boils down to white conservatives are human and everyone else is subhuman. Only they deserve to be treated fairly, to have any rights at all. Religion is just one of many excuses to fuck everyone over. I think the good thing here is that it’s turning people away and it’s becoming more out in the open where it can’t be denied. We’re always going to have religion being used to smack people around. I give it til maybe my grandkids are grown before we start seeing shifts away from the extremists and towards the actual teachings of Christ.

I belong to a Facebook page called The Christian Left. I joined to ask questions and stayed because I was treated with dignity and respect. I obviously don’t agree with everything they say, but to me, they are what religious people should strive to be. They are very liberal and support every political position I have. I’m sure that in real life I could actually make friends with many of the members if given the opportunity. It’s a matter of perspective and truly understanding Christ’s teachings, which lean liberal in spite of what we’re told.

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Jay C  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:27:57am

re: #217 dangerman

Looks like some grift going in at LP

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They’re Republicans, after all: what would you expect?

Anyway, at least they produced SOME useful product…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:29:22am

re: #172 steve_davis

they cannot “decline to board with him.” They’re his security detail and they ultimately answer to their oath and to Treasury. “You fellas stay here while I board this plane.” “Sorry, can’t do that sir.” “All right. Then you all come along while I board this plane that is not Air
Force One and we fly to Russia without having provided a flight plan or had anyone do any pre-ground security check for when we land.” “Sorry, can’t do that sir.”

If Trump decides to make an official state visit to Moscow on AF1 on January 19, can anyone stop him short of invoking the 25th?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:32:49am

re: #242 A Mom Anon

This applies to everything these assholes believe. It boils down to white conservatives are human and everyone else is subhuman. Only they deserve to be treated fairly, to have any rights at all. Religion is just one of many excuses to fuck everyone over. I think the good thing here is that it’s turning people away and it’s becoming more out in the open where it can’t be denied. We’re always going to have religion being used to smack people around. I give it til maybe my grandkids are grown before we start seeing shifts away from the extremists and towards the actual teachings of Christ.

I belong to a Facebook page called The Christian Left. I joined to ask questions and stayed because I was treated with dignity and respect. I obviously don’t agree with everything they say, but to me, they are what religious people should strive to be. They are very liberal and support every political position I have. I’m sure that in real life I could actually make friends with many of the members if given the opportunity. It’s a matter of perspective and truly understanding Christ’s teachings, which lean liberal in spite of what we’re told.

I’m not religious at all but Catholicism definitely has had influence on me. And I can really see and hear that listening to Biden. Jackson is a lunatic. He’s a big reason why his party has collapsed statewide here.

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Jay C  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:36:41am

re: #244 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump decides to make an official state visit to Moscow on AF1 on January 19, can anyone stop him short of invoking the 25th?

Well, it’s going to be short “visit”, since at 19:00h Moscow time* on January 20, it will cease to be “official”

*Or 20:00 (8pm) - not sure if Russia adjusts their clocks: the US will revert to Standard Time on Nov. 1.

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ericblair  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:37:08am

re: #244 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump decides to make an official state visit to Moscow on AF1 on January 19, can anyone stop him short of invoking the 25th?

Sure, they can just tell him, fuck no you’re not. What’s he going to do, fight them?

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NetworkKed  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:38:47am

re: #244 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump decides to make an official state visit to Moscow on AF1 on January 19, can anyone stop him short of invoking the 25th?

So… the thing is that as president, there are a whole lot of things which follow in his wake (including the pool reporters!) and I just don’t think it’s possible for him to do that without the entire country learning immediately. Which would either end in the 25th or breaking the national Republican party permanently.

Now, if he decides to get on a private jet on the 21st, that’s a whole different problem. The dozen or whatever SecServ agents can’t control him at all, though again they sure could notify their new boss really quickly.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:39:02am

On the neopagan thing there is a spectrum there and they are not all obsessed with bloodlines and essentially racist divides. Though if you see “folk” in their name it implies they are on the racist side of the split there.

One of my best friends is a self-proclaimed neopagan. Though I don’t recall many conversations concerning it or delving into the background beliefs much. (His wife isn’t, and my guess is their daughter is being brought up agnostic/atheist/areligious essentially given some other factors.)

When he was blogging I did follow some of his posted links to other people and acquaintances of his who posted a lot more pagan and Asatru materials. And a number of them would simply dodge on the discussion of the universalist vs folk split. Possibly wanting to keep such conflict internal… or avoiding admitting what they really were being.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:41:01am

Towards the town keeping the AFA out. How is this different in legalities from them trying to prevent a mosque from buying and using the property?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:41:03am

Via Right Wing Watch:

The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, now led by Billy Graham’s right-wing​-activist son Franklin Graham, has turned the October issue of its “Decision” magazine into a virtual 38-page campaign brochure for President Donald Trump and the Republican Party. Franklin Graham hosted a “prayer march” on the National Mall on Sept. 26, the same day a group of End Time​s “prophets” hosted a rally calling for national repentance and revival.

The over-the-top propagandistic tone is set on the cover, which features a heroic image of Trump and a photo of Democratic presidential Joe Biden caught with a lost puppy look on his face.

Franklin Graham introduces the issue with a column under the headline, “Blessed in the nation whose God is the Lord,” a scriptural quote used often by Christian nationalists who insist the U.S. must “return” to God. Graham describes the Trump presidency as a “wonderful season of progress for the cause of religious freedom and the moral and Biblical values we hold dear​,” and he warns that if Trump loses, all that “wonderful” progress could be quickly and permanently reversed.

The magazine warns that religious freedom is on the ballot, asking, “Will Christians remain free, or will the government impose a godless, immoral social agenda upon them?”

(more)

Billy Graham Evangelistic Association Evangelizes for Trump

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:44:02am

re: #250 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Towards the town keeping the AFA out. How is this different in legalities from them trying to prevent a mosque from buying and using the property?

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act explicitly prohibits using zoning laws to regulate religious activity. You may thank Chuck Schumer for introducing this bill in 1993.

In theory it would not keep anyone from building a mosque. Who wants to put a mosque in that town?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:44:53am

Speaking for Women PAC dumped a flier in my mail.

One side all about protecting babies with a mother wearing a mask while holding a baby.

Backside is how politicians (Biden and Harris) are more of a threat to babies than a pandemic. Fear and hate screed about Biden being the most pro-abortion candidate ever, blah blah blah.

Typical conservative deal selling fear as their only product. And how any Democrat is personally responsible for every abortion ever carried out. (Heard this crap in person from a manager back in 2016 about Clinton. [Conservative Catholic who had pretty much drunken the Flavor-Aid.])

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:47:22am

re: #252 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The Religious Freedom Restoration Act explicitly prohibits using zoning laws to regulate religious activity. You may thank Chuck Schumer for introducing this bill in 1993.

In theory it would not keep anyone from building a mosque. Who wants to put a mosque in that town?

What I meant is that isn’t essentially the AFA wanting the building for their purposes the same as a mosque wanting to do so. (How heinous the AFA might be aside.) The town might well be concerned about what the AFA being there would do to their reputation. But legally do they (or should they) have any recourse?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:55:09am

re: #254 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

What I meant is that isn’t essentially the AFA wanting the building for their purposes the same as a mosque wanting to do so. (How heinous the AFA might be aside.) The town might well be concerned about what the AFA being there would do to their reputation. But legally do they (or should they) have any recourse?

I’m not a lawyer so I cannot say if they have a legal recourse. Subsequent court cases successfully argued the RFRA did not apply to states, only the Federal government.

State courts were ordered to follow this rubric:

Strict scrutiny
Religious liberty can only be limited for a compelling government interest
If religious liberty is to be limited, it must be done in the least restrictive manner possible

That said, the RFRA was successfully used in Hobby Lobby v Burwell to deny women contraceptive coverage through their insurance in arguments against the ACA.

I suppose it depends on how much money these asshats have to push a case through the courts. That said, a village of less than three hundred people doesn’t have a lot to spend trying to fend them off.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 7:55:13am
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A Cranky One  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:04:48am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:06:54am

re: #246 Jay C

Well, it’s going to be short “visit”, since at 19:00h Moscow time* on January 20, it will cease to be “official”

*Or 20:00 (8pm) - not sure if Russia adjusts their clocks: the US will revert to Standard Time on Nov. 1.

Trump just doesn’t come back.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:08:16am

re: #247 ericblair

Sure, they can just tell him, fuck no you’re not. What’s he going to do, fight them?

Who is “they?” Who has the authority to stop the President from traveling?

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:08:19am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

E.W. Jackson Says Nancy Pelosi’s Prayers Are ‘A Blasphemy Against God’ (Right Wing Watch)

Apparently prayers only count if you’re a conservative.

(with audio from Jackson’s programme.)

That clown is one of the main reasons the Virginia GOP is going the way of the California GOP.

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ericblair  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:08:29am

GET READY PEEPS!

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:13:07am

re: #261 ericblair

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GET READY PEEPS!

This BS about JFK Jr. coming back to life…just like the nuts who insist JC and his Sonshine Band are gonna rapture them in a week or 2…and I’ve had to deal with brain dead relatives pushing the rapture crap ever since they became pod people…

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:15:10am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:15:43am

re: #248 NetworkKed

So… the thing is that as president, there are a whole lot of things which follow in his wake (including the pool reporters!) and I just don’t think it’s possible for him to do that without the entire country learning immediately. Which would either end in the 25th or breaking the national Republican party permanently.

Now, if he decides to get on a private jet on the 21st, that’s a whole different problem. The dozen or whatever SecServ agents can’t control him at all, though again they sure could notify their new boss really quickly.

As though Trump gives a shit about breaking the GOP.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:18:26am

re: #261 ericblair

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GET READY PEEPS!

What they didn’t realize is that there’s a Lee Harvey Oswald, Jr., too!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:24:31am

I saw something about a third debate. Is there going to be another whateverthefuck they’re talking about?

Anyone?

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:27:08am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“…Navigating the two candidates through what promises to be yet another incredibly exhausting 90-minute spectacle will be Kristen Welker, one of NBC News’ White House correspondents.”
msn.com

Trump may find a way to weasel out.

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Jay C  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:27:11am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I saw something about a third debate. Is there going to be another whateverthefuck they’re talking about?

Anyone?

I think a third debate had been scheduled for 10/22 (next Thursday), but whether or not it will come off is anybody’s guess.
I haven’t seen any substantive news about it.

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So Cal Greek Hippie  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:29:18am

2020 near San Luis Obispo

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A hollow voice says, Beware the strongman con  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:30:08am

re: #215 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:30:12am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Debate commission announces topics for final debate between Trump and Biden

The Commission on Presidential debates announced on Friday the six topics for the second and final debate between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden set to take place next week.

The topics are: “Fighting COVID-19,” “American Families,” “Race in America,” “Climate Change,” “National Security” and “Leadership.”
The final debate between Trump and Biden is scheduled to take place on October 22 from 9 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. ET in Tennessee. The format is the same as the first debate: Each segment will last about 15 minutes, and the candidates will have two minutes to respond after the moderator, NBC’s Kristen Welker, opens each segment with a question. Welker will then use the rest of the time in the segment to facilitate further discussion on the topic.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:30:32am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

RedState is complaining that Kristin Welker is unfair to conservatives, so that will be the excuse.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:30:33am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I saw something about a third debate. Is there going to be another whateverthefuck they’re talking about?

Anyone?

If there is we know how it will go. No matter what question is addressed to Spready Kruger he will endlessly fart out the Hunter Biden lies hoping that makes Joe lose his cool.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:33:24am

re: #273 🌹UOJB!

If there is we know how it will go. No matter what question is addressed to Spready Kruger he will endlessly fart out the Hunter Biden lies hoping that makes Joe lose his cool.

More important than the questions is going to be how the rules and moderator handle Trump. If they just allow him to steamroller over everything with the Tsunami of Lies than it won’t matter one bit.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:34:31am

re: #274 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Unless they put him in a soundproof box they can open and close, he’ll do what he always does.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:36:10am

re: #275 jaunte

Unless they put him in a soundproof box they can open and close, he’ll do what he always does.

Which I suspect is true. And thus another debate has dubious value since it will simply be another display of Trump being Trump while previous to that the spineless media (or at least some of it) will claim it will be when Trump “pivots” into presidential material.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:37:50am

Trump is a sociopath. He’s not going to follow social mores, polite conversational customs, debate rules, or laws.

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:40:46am

re: #267 jaunte

“…Navigating the two candidates through what promises to be yet another incredibly exhausting 90-minute spectacle will be Kristen Welker, one of NBC News’ White House correspondents.”
msn.com

Trump may find a way to weasel out.

An NBC staffer will let him break as many rules and norms as he feels like. This is what he considers “fair”, so he’s likely to show. They’ll even ask the questions he wants asked.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:41:13am

Ugh. I was hoping that was bullshit. I don’t think another debate has any value at all. Plus, keep Biden away from that fucking psychopath.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:42:52am

re: #263 🌹UOJB!

Also according to Q, the next Trump Administration will also include Lee Harvey Oswald as Ambassador to Russia, Bigfoot as Sec. of Interior and the Loch Ness Monster as Sec.of The Navy.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:45:18am

re: #280 Florida Panhandler

Also according to Q, the next Trump Administration will also include Lee Harvey Oswald as Ambassador to Russia, Bigfoot as Sec. of Interior and the Loch Ness Monster as Sec.of The Navy.

Q is so insane, I read that and thought (for a second), really?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:51:42am

re: #272 jaunte

RedState is complaining that Kristin Welker is unfair to conservatives, so that will be the excuse.

Plus discussing “race” and “climate change.” Those subjects are taboo topics for the faithful.

Structural racism and its effects, and climate change are both liberal hoaxes.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:52:09am

re: #280 Florida Panhandler

Also according to Q, the next Trump Administration will also include Lee Harvey Oswald as Ambassador to Russia, Bigfoot as Sec. of Interior and the Loch Ness Monster as Sec.of The Navy.

With Jimmy Hoffa as Secretary of Labor and Marilyn Monroe as international goodwill ambassador.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:52:17am

re: #266 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I saw something about a third debate. Is there going to be another whateverthefuck they’re talking about?

Anyone?

Who the Hell knows? Trump could change his mind at any moment.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:55:54am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:57:03am

I don’t actually think Trump will flee the country. He has to try to make money with all those bills coming due. I’m looking forward to the collapse of the Trump Organization into bankruptcy, and Trump going to prison.

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:57:32am

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern wins landslide reelection
washingtonpost.com

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand — New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern won a runaway reelection victory after widespread praise for leading a successful battle against the coronavirus pandemic.

With most votes counted, Ardern’s liberal Labour Party was winning 49 percent of the vote compared to 27 percent for the conservative National Party, according to the Associated Press.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:59:20am

re: #261 ericblair

The Great Fappening is TODAY!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 8:59:24am

re: #287 sagehen

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern wins landslide reelection
washingtonpost.com

(sigh … can we borrow Jacinda Ardern for a few weeks?)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:03:17am

re: #288 Sufficient unto the day…

The Great Fappening is TODAY!

Are we ever going to be surprised when Jr. actually does walk out on the stage with Trump! WWG1WGA!!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:09:34am

re: #286 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t actually think Trump will flee the country. He has to try to make money with all those bills coming due. I’m looking forward to the collapse of the Trump Organization into bankruptcy, and Trump going to prison.

AG James is going to be busy next year.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:10:25am

re: #290 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Are we ever going to be surprised when Jr. actually does walk out on the stage with Trump! WWG1WGA!!

And my brainwashed family really believes this bullshit…

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:12:38am

Nate’s latest at 538 has Trump now down to 12/100, Joe stays at 87/100 with 1 tie in their simulations.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:14:09am

re: #292 🌹UOJB!

And my brainwashed family really believes this bullshit…

Mine just disowned me (other than my mother) for my lack-of-belief. As far as I know, none of them buys into the crazy crap which constitutes conservatism, and most support liberal causes and politicians.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:14:14am

re: #293 🌹UOJB!

Nate’s latest at 538 has Trump now down to 12/100, Joe stays at 87/100 with 1 tie in their simulations.

This all posit a relatively fair and untampered-with election. I expect all sorts of interference and fuckery to be going down before, during and after the voting…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:14:56am

re: #293 🌹UOJB!

Nate’s latest at 538 has Trump now down to 12/100, Joe stays at 87/100 with 1 tie in their simulations.

We need to make sure to avoid that tie with a win in NE-2.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:15:22am

re: #294 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Mine just disowned me (other than my mother) for my lack-of-belief. As far as I know, none of them buys into the crazy crap which constitutes conservatism, and most support liberal causes and politicians.

Yeah, I pretty much gave up communicating with a buddy from Flagstaff because he has gone full woo…neither Right nor Left have any bearing on this alternative reality that they have embraced.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:16:53am

re: #293 🌹UOJB!

Nate’s latest at 538 has Trump now down to 12/100, Joe stays at 87/100 with 1 tie in their simulations.

Sounds right. I just don’t see how Trump can do it. You’d need massive suppression like we’ve never seen before. The suppression shit only works when it’s close and it’s not close right now.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:17:56am

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(more)

Each episode is about forty minutes.

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:21:30am

re: #276 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Which I suspect is true. And thus another debate has dubious value since it will simply be another display of Trump being Trump while previous to that the spineless media (or at least some of it) will claim it will be when Trump “pivots” into presidential material.

The dubious value of the first debate partially contributed to the additional five point increase in Biden’s polling lead.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:21:45am

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sounds right. I just don’t see how Trump can do it. You’d need massive suppression like we’ve never seen before. The suppression shit only works when it’s close and it’s not close right now.

The Republicans will stop at nothing to hold on to power. I fully expect to see Trump Thugs go all in to suppress the vote. And when they do I hope Joe blows the dust off of Section 2 of the 14th Amendment to punish Republicans.

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:22:40am

Thanks for the advice on iPhones. Got the SE and it is fabulous. Going to be so much fun having a great phone again.

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KGxvi  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:23:04am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This all posit a relatively fair and untampered-with election. I expect all sorts of interference and fuckery to be going down before, during and after the voting…

The decentralized nature of our electoral system (really thousands of elections at the county level), makes it really hard to engage in effective fuckery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:23:24am

re: #298 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Sounds right. I just don’t see how Trump can do it. You’d need massive suppression like we’ve never seen before. The suppression shit only works when it’s close and it’s not close right now.

Trump will have to try and kick over the table and get the outcome decided invalid and taken to the courts or House of Representatives if he wants to have a chance of not losing.

Thing is, we have never been in a situation like this before where the incumbent knows that he faces multiple criminal charges as soon as he loses Executive immunity. IN addition, he has criminal organizations (The RNC and Trump Organization) backing him up, a meddling foreign government on his side and the full powers of the Presidency at his disposal.

We need to be prepared for the worst imaginable plus…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:24:42am

re: #303 KGxvi

The decentralized nature of our electoral system (really thousands of elections at the county level), makes it really hard to engage in effective fuckery.

He just needs to get enough electoral votes disqualified to make it impossible for either candidate to get a majority, then he can take it to the courts/House

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:24:45am

re: #290 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Are we ever going to be surprised when Jr. actually does walk out on the stage with Trump! WWG1WGA!!

I will still vote for Biden, since I will assume that Jr. was squirreled away by the Russians or some other foreign enemy, and has effectively gone over to them. If the Kremlin can turn the John Birch Society into their loyal tools (and they have) they can surely do this.
How they fooled the Clintons and Teddy Kennedy (who personally viewed the bodies) into thinking Jr. was dead has not yet been explained.
Finally, a Lubbock Q-ball was complaining on FB today about his group being “dehumanized.” Since many of the most effective Q, and other RWNJ/GOP, “activists” literally are not human, it is an understandable tendency.

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KGxvi  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:24:57am

re: #301 🌹UOJB!

I’m slightly surprised nobody has thought to use this provision in response to the Florida legislature trying to override the voting rights referendum

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:26:23am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He just needs to get enough electoral votes disqualified to make it impossible for either candidate to get a majority, then he can take it to the courts/House

He also needs an alien spaceship to show up.

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:26:55am

I love this so much.

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KGxvi  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:30:08am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He just needs to get enough electoral votes disqualified to make it impossible for either candidate to get a majority, then he can take it to the courts/House

And how would he do that?

Keep in mind, under the 12th amendment it’s a majority of appointed electors… if he somehow gets electors disqualified, it wouldn’t mean Biden getting 260 EVs would bar him from winning

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ericblair  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:31:02am

I’d like to hear from somebody living in Ohio, but the whole energy law bribery scandal can’t be helping the goopers.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:33:58am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This all posit a relatively fair and untampered-with election. I expect all sorts of interference and fuckery to be going down before, during and after the voting…

I’m becoming optimistic that the vote will be so overwhelming that it won’t be possible for chicanery to change the ultimate result. One of the advantages of our elections being run locally in many different ways is that you can’t operate one national conspiracy to steal the election.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:37:05am

re: #308 Belafon

He also needs an alien spaceship to show up.

He has a lot of powers at his disposal, including the Space Force…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:37:37am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:38:16am

re: #305 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He just needs to get enough electoral votes disqualified to make it impossible for either candidate to get a majority, then he can take it to the courts/House

A reason why its important to gain control of as many House delegations as possible. The one seat in Montana is up for grabs, and several state delegations are close to even.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:39:00am

re: #312 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m becoming optimistic that the vote will be so overwhelming that it won’t be possible for chicanery to change the ultimate result. One of the advantages of our elections being run locally in many different ways is that you can’t operate one national conspiracy to steal the election.

I hope that is the case as well, but do not forget that the man is desperate and not above criminal acts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:40:17am

re: #314 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

I believe that mirror photo is what is known as an “incelfie”

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:43:40am

re: #314 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

What’s depressing is that I have nephews who post pics of their QAnon and WWG1WGA tats…

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:46:01am

The more you know about her, the worse she gets.

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Citizen K  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:47:30am

Guys, how’s day 10 or so of that Trump tax scandal that should surely bury him because of the dogged media coverage of what should the top story of the month if not year?

…what’s that?

The media dropped that almost immediately but is on day 5 or so of Huntergate? And attacking Biden for his ‘attack’ on a CBS reporter and therefore the integrity of all news, making him just as bad if not worse than Trump in their eyes?

…..god, fucking help me, “Both sides same thing” and IOKIYAR is really going to kill us all, isn’t it?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:47:40am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hope that is the case as well, but do not forget that the man is desperate and not above criminal acts.

Trump is willing to do anything, but since he is so incapable fraud on that scale is only possible if lots of capable people are willing to committ a huge number of crimes on his behalf. Bill Barr can’t do it by himself, and I doubt he’s willing to. I mean, Trump had to get Rudy to unleash his fizzle of an “October surprise” because Barr produced squat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:48:32am

re: #319 jaunte

Amy Coney Barrett reversed a jury award to a pregnant teen raped by a prison guard because raping pregnant teens wasn’t part of his job description.

not a “formal” part of the job description…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:49:29am

re: #321 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump is willing to do anything, but since he is so incapable fraud on that scale is only possible if lots of capable people are willing to committ a huge number of crimes on his behalf. Bill Barr can’t do it by himself, and I doubt he’s willing to. I mean, Trump had to get Rudy to unleash his fizzle of an “October surprise” because Barr produced squat.

This is true. He is unable and/or unwilling to find competent people and delegate.

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:50:15am

“…Prosecutors charged Thicklen with several counts of sexual assault but dismissed the charges in exchange for his guilty plea of felony misconduct in public office in 2014.

The woman identified as “Jane Doe” says she was in the early stages of pregnancy when she was jailed and that Thicklen raped her during and after her pregnancy. The jury rejected her claim that it was unconstitutional that she was shackled while giving birth.”
usnews.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:52:07am

Damn it! The “Hobby Lobby won’t sell Chanukah merchandise” bullshit is all over FB. I have linked several of these folks to Hobby Lobby’s own Hannukah stuff page, and they still won’t believe it.

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mmmirele  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:52:43am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

You are not safe from racist Christians anywhere.

Whites-only church eyes small town; residents fear becoming ‘hate capital of Minnesota’ (NBC)

There is no doubt that if a case went to the courts, conservatives would rule on the grounds of “religious freedom” over racism.

(more at NBC News)

Just going to point out that the “Asatru Folk Assembly” is not a Christian sect. Rather, they use the notion of the Norse pantheon to actually push a “volkish” (read: white) religion.

en.wikipedia.org

Now, given that information, I think it’s less likely that a conservative court would vote for this, because AFA is obviously not Christian. However, that’s not a zero possibility.

I blame NBC for not being clearer about this. *rolls eyes*

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:58:13am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Damn it! The “Hobby Lobby won’t sell Chanukah merchandise” bullshit is all over FB. I have linked several of these folks to Hobby Lobby’s own Hannukah stuff page, and they still won’t believe it.

The disease that will exterminate the human race is…STUPIDITY!

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jaunte  Oct 17, 2020 • 9:59:41am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

The most convinced are probably regular Hobby Lobby shoppers.

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PrairieQueen  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:01:34am

So a few GOP suddenly decided to speak about how they could not bear the last 4 years of Trump after supporting him, his politically involved family, and toeing the party line at all costs. It wasn’t until overwhelming public favor for Biden they had a voice or opinion that in any way contradicted that fucking asshole. No, they were happy to go along about Hillary’s emails and hating the shit out of Obamacare, fucking the little guy, fucking the planet, and buy into every QAnon outrage in front of them.

The “brave” faces of the GOP areonly pretending to be annoyed because they know if they lose the presidential race, lose the House, lose the Senate, they will be obsolete to the majority of America. The GOP will be a failed experiment, and no amount of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News or the Ghost of Jerry Falwell is going to resurrect them because they no longer resonate with the majority - the majority - of the country.

The tipping point they’ve worried about? It’s here. And once it’s here, it isn’t going back.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:02:47am

What? Hobby Lobby is joining the War on Channukah?!?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:04:06am

re: #322 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not a “formal” part of the job description…

Such a ruling could justify any person’s rape: I’m not aware of rape being part of a person’s job description in any job in the country.

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:04:34am

re: #319 jaunte

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The more you know about her, the worse she gets.

Gee. I would have thought there’s somebody at that prison whose job description included supervising the guards and keeping them from raping inmates.

On the other hand, this is the same jail supervised by the same sheriff where an inmate died of thirst because they disabled the water in his cell and left him there for more than a week.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:04:58am

re: #329 PrairieQueen

The tipping point they’ve worried about? It’s here. And once it’s here, it isn’t going back.

Which is why they will resort to anything, regardless of legality or morality, to put off that inevitability…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:08:31am

re: #326 mmmirele

Just going to point out that the “Asatru Folk Assembly” is not a Christian sect. Rather, they use the notion of the Norse pantheon to actually push a “volkish” (read: white) religion.

en.wikipedia.org

Now, given that information, I think it’s less likely that a conservative court would vote for this, because AFA is obviously not Christian. However, that’s not a zero possibility.

I blame NBC for not being clearer about this. *rolls eyes*

I corrected my misunderstanding of the group at re: #199

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:09:34am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“The man” doesn’t control a whole lot of election stuff

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:14:41am

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:17:16am

re: #336 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

LOL

I’m going to head off to bed. It’s long past sunrise here. Catch y’all later.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:17:46am

If you thought that Pissface couldn’t go any lower…

Trump demanded apology from John McCain in 2017 for withdrawing his endorsement: report

businessinsider.com

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:18:21am

Even when we win, there is so much work ahead. It’s daunting. But we must. Shiny new page on one part of the task at hand. littlegreenfootballs.com

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:19:18am

Note that apostrophe abuse is nothing new.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:24:26am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Damn it! The “Hobby Lobby won’t sell Chanukah merchandise” bullshit is all over FB. I have linked several of these folks to Hobby Lobby’s own Hannukah stuff page, and they still won’t believe it.

Let them fight.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:25:03am

re: #248 NetworkKed

So… the thing is that as president, there are a whole lot of things which follow in his wake (including the pool reporters!) and I just don’t think it’s possible for him to do that without the entire country learning immediately. Which would either end in the 25th or breaking the national Republican party permanently.

Now, if he decides to get on a private jet on the 21st, that’s a whole different problem. The dozen or whatever SecServ agents can’t control him at all, though again they sure could notify their new boss really quickly.

Years ago, I predicted the way this presidency is going to end.

Black SUVs with lights and sirens chasing Trump’s plane down the runway, as Ivanka, Don Jr. and Eric run after it, sobbing “Daddy daddy please don’t leave us!” as the crates full of money are thrown out the door, scattering bills all over.

The Trump plane lumbers into the air and starts heading for international waters, where a squadron of MiGs wait to escort it. Minutes later, the F-35s scrambled from Anacostia-Bolling zoom overhead …

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:28:36am

re: #340 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

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Note that apostrophe abuse is nothing new.

Memories of Ambridge PA before the Civil Rights Act was passed when blacks and Jews could not enter the JC Penney’s store because it was “restricted”.

They were allowed in the Sears store.

Multiple businesses were “restricted” as they were free to choose what people they could exclude.

Blacks were not allowed to use the borough swimming pool.

Blacks were restricted in where they were allowed to live—on First Street by Sewickley Crick.

Chinese were restricted to restaurant or laundry work.

Greeks were restricted to the vending machine business.

Mills employed blacks to work in the hell of the coke ovens.

When the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, our then Congressman Frank Clark was only one of two Northern Democrats who voted against the act.

Big backlash when that law was filibustered in the Senate and George Wallace got a lot of write in votes against LBJ in the primary. Wallace got more votes in the GOP primary than Rockefeller.

More proof that the “good old days” sucked.

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Citizen K  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:31:06am

Stop giving them the benefit of the doubt and pretending it’s mere ignorance or blindness. They’re chasing these things to exclusion because that’s the lesson they took from ‘16. The slavishness toward Trump and the GOP isn’t ignorance, it’s learned. The idea that Dem ‘scandals’ are the real import requiring weeks upon weeks of coverage is something they’ve fully and openly embraced, from how glowingly they describe their ‘16 coverage. They have gone out of their way to give Trump even more leverage and leeway because they convinced themselves they were just too goddamn hard on him and they need to be even MORE fair, more forgiving, more devoted to the real legitimate forever rulers of the US and more damning of Dem usurpers.

Can people just fucking get this?

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BeachDem  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:31:57am

For those who didn’t get to see the Hamilton zoom event last night (and for those who did as well) here’s the zoom “The Room Where It Happens” video. I love it.

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(((Archangel1)))  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:33:28am

As in previous weeks, there are now over a hundred localized city protests currently taking place across Israel as the 2nd national COVID lockdown is expected to end in the coming days.
The “Crime Minister” protests were primarily fixated on the fact that the country was being led by a Prime Minister under criminal investigation, but with growing anger over how the lockdown has been handled, it’s now expanded to include that failure as well.

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plansbandc  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:33:30am

re: #343 🌹UOJB!

And this is exactly what a lot of Republicans want to go back to. Legal discrimination.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:33:50am

re: #329 PrairieQueen

So a few GOP suddenly decided to speak about how they could not bear the last 4 years of Trump after supporting him, his politically involved family, and toeing the party line at all costs. It wasn’t until overwhelming public favor for Biden they had a voice or opinion that in any way contradicted that fucking asshole. No, they were happy to go along about Hillary’s emails and hating the shit out of Obamacare, fucking the little guy, fucking the planet, and buy into every QAnon outrage in front of them.

The “brave” faces of the GOP areonly pretending to be annoyed because they know if they lose the presidential race, lose the House, lose the Senate, they will be obsolete to the majority of America. The GOP will be a failed experiment, and no amount of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News or the Ghost of Jerry Falwell is going to resurrect them because they no longer resonate with the majority - the majority - of the country.

The tipping point they’ve worried about? It’s here. And once it’s here, it isn’t going back.

The stark example of what happened in California haunts the imaginations of all the white Christian extremists. Prop 187 was a pure expression of what metastasized into the core of Trumpism: “F the brown people.”

The 2020 election may well be what happened in the late 90s in California - the relegation of the GOP into a permanent minority party, loud & screeching, but ultimately powerless.

And yeah, they’ll try to gin up tricks from time to time - the recall against Gray Davis & installation of Gov. Arnie - but as long as Democratic voters ride herd on the extreme fringes in a way that the GOP has never bothered to do, they could be in for a long, long stretch of irrelevancy…

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sagehen  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:34:57am

last month, Britain’s Got Talent featured a Black Lives Matter dance number.

Diversity take to the stage with POWERFUL Black Lives Matter performance | Semi-Finals | BGT 2020

Lots of complaints, but the TV station, the show’s producers, and the UK’s FCC-equivalent all strongly supported the dance troupe.

Just 4% of the 24,500 complaints were made in the immediate aftermath of the programme being aired, suggesting these were people who were offended by the original broadcast after watching it live.

The majority were filed over the following weeks, following repeated news stories about the original number of complaints.

theguardian.com

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Sherlock Hound  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:36:00am

re: #206 John Hughes

In the country of the blind by Michael F Flynn?

Yes, that’s it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:36:21am

re: #329 PrairieQueen

So a few GOP suddenly decided to speak about how they could not bear the last 4 years of Trump after supporting him, his politically involved family, and toeing the party line at all costs. It wasn’t until overwhelming public favor for Biden they had a voice or opinion that in any way contradicted that fucking asshole. No, they were happy to go along about Hillary’s emails and hating the shit out of Obamacare, fucking the little guy, fucking the planet, and buy into every QAnon outrage in front of them.

The “brave” faces of the GOP areonly pretending to be annoyed because they know if they lose the presidential race, lose the House, lose the Senate, they will be obsolete to the majority of America. The GOP will be a failed experiment, and no amount of Rush Limbaugh or Fox News or the Ghost of Jerry Falwell is going to resurrect them because they no longer resonate with the majority - the majority - of the country.

The tipping point they’ve worried about? It’s here. And once it’s here, it isn’t going back.

You are overestimating the intelligence of the voters. We will be lucky if the GOP doesn’t regain control of the House in the 2022 midterms.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:42:39am

re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You are overestimating the intelligence of the voters. We will be lucky if the GOP doesn’t regain control of the House in the 2022 midterms.

I’m hoping Joe will not forgive and forget by appointing a Special Prosecutor like Richard Painter to go after the MAGATs. Oh and I’d love to see Attorney General Preet perp walk a bunch of assholes starting with McConnell and Ron Johnsonwax!

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:43:49am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:44:38am

re: #351 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You are overestimating the intelligence of the voters. We will be lucky if the GOP doesn’t regain control of the House in the 2022 midterms.

But I shouldn’t put it entirely on the voters. A lot of congressional Democrats will refuse to understand there are no resonable Republicans for them to reach across the aisle and work with, so they won’t abolish the filibuster, and will pass nothing except 2 reconciliation bills while they battle over government shutdowns, and the whole disgraceful shitshow of dysfunctional government will turn off huge numbers of voters. I hope I’m wrong about that.

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🌹UOJB!  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:47:50am

re: #353 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

So those fools think they’re playing…

The Rat Patrol (Season1) (Intro) (1966)

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Belafon  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:48:10am

re: #325 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of USPS, Goodyear, and Oreo

Damn it! The “Hobby Lobby won’t sell Chanukah merchandise” bullshit is all over FB. I have linked several of these folks to Hobby Lobby’s own Hannukah stuff page, and they still won’t believe it.

Tell them that the end of the world is coming unless each of them sends you $100.

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dangerman  Oct 17, 2020 • 10:59:12am

re: #303 KGxvi

The decentralized nature of our electoral system (really thousands of elections at the county level), makes it really hard to engage in effective fuckery.

You gotta id and focus on the choke points

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Oct 17, 2020 • 11:03:04am

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

An acquaintance (ex-flatmate/bandmate) is a follower of Asatru and is very anti-racist.

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PrairieQueen  Oct 17, 2020 • 2:32:14pm

re: #356 Belafon

I wouldn’t support Hobby Lobby if they were giving away free water in the desert. I’ve been in the local store a few times and their overt religious horseshit is a freak show under glass, nevermind their ideas about contraception and buying stolen artificats because they have that much money to throw around.

Nope, can’t stand ‘em.


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