Analog Obligations Open Thread
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Yes, it’s another open thread, while my lizardoid robot simulacra and I (overseen by the inestimable Stinky Beaumont) deal with some pressing business in the world of meat.
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:28:25pm |
It is such a nice day here, I almost feel guilty about it.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:28:31pm |
Tempted to check out a site. Cinecast. May make time on weekends fly by for me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:29:35pm |
while my lizardoid robot simulacra and I deal with some pressing business in the world of meat.
Gak! TMI! TMI! TMI!
Brain-bleach, STAT!
///
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:32:03pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Open thread = chore time.
Or in my case, shower/shave time, going to Easter Service tonight.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:34:10pm |
re: #4 albusteve
I myself am of the World of Meat....a Meatist
I qualify as an official CARNIVORE as well
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Truck Monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:34:30pm |
re: #4 albusteve
I myself am of the World of Meat....a Meatist
My nickname in college was 'meat'. Long story. I just realized that I am 6 points away from having 1000 of these here karma credits. When can I cash them in. Is there a catalog I can look at so as to pick something out?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:36:08pm |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:36:12pm |
re: #2 rawmuse
It is such a nice day here, I almost feel guilty about it.
What's the weather today? It always seems to the same in SF, no matter what time of year.
Here in the Upper Sonoran Desert, we had something we have not seen in months -RAIN! It rained some last night and into this morning. Now, it is pleasantly sunny and a warm 70 something(not hot!)
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:36:16pm |
re: #11 Truck Monkey
My nickname in college was 'meat'. Long story. I just realized that I am 6 points away from having 1000 of these here karma credits. When can I cash them in. Is there a catalog I can look at so as to pick something out?
WELL ,, you're not getting any closer with that post !
//
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:36:46pm |
re: #11 Truck Monkey
My nickname in college was 'meat'. Long story. I just realized that I am 6 points away from having 1000 of these here karma credits. When can I cash them in. Is there a catalog I can look at so as to pick something out?
You'll get an email from AIPAC with instructions
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:37:12pm |
Yes, it’s another open thread, while my lizardoid robot simulacra and I (overseen by the inestimable Stinky Beaumont) deal with some pressing business in the world of meat.
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gettinby Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:37:58pm |
re: #11 Truck Monkey
My nickname in college was 'meat'. Long story. I just realized that I am 6 points away from having 1000 of these here karma credits. When can I cash them in. Is there a catalog I can look at so as to pick something out?
There ya go! Only shy by one now.
/This is considered being on the wealthy side of karma income. Send in your 90% on or before April 15.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:38:03pm |
pressing business in the world of meat.
PETA crowd shows up to downding Charles in 5 ,,, 4,,,,3,,,,2,,,,
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:38:05pm |
re: #13 Desert Dog
65 degrees, sunny, light breeze. I am out on my deck with the laptop and a cigar. I can see the Farallone islands, a long way off.
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jwb7605 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:38:47pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
WELL ,, you're not getting any closer with that post !
//
Look again. I think it was me that put him in catalog territory!
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:38:55pm |
re: #19 rawmuse
65 degrees, sunny, light breeze. I am out on my deck with the laptop and a cigar. I can see the Farallone islands, a long way off.
Nice
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:39:28pm |
re: #11 Truck Monkey
My nickname in college was 'meat'. Long story. I just realized that I am 6 points away from having 1000 of these here karma credits. When can I cash them in. Is there a catalog I can look at so as to pick something out?
Well you made it past the thousand mark. ;)
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Randall Gross Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:39:39pm |
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Truck Monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:40:29pm |
I feel honored to have passed this magical milestone. You people like me..... you really, really like me!
/
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:40:44pm |
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:40:46pm |
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:40:53pm |
re: #19 rawmuse
65 degrees, sunny, light breeze. I am out on my deck with the laptop and a cigar. I can see the Farallone islands, a long way off.
Whatcha smokin?
I enjoy a good Avo myself - or the La Flor Dominicana chisel if I'm feeling adventurous.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:41:29pm |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:41:43pm |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:42:11pm |
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elevenbravo1969 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:42:29pm |
Re-post for the French Laundry fans who may have missed it on the previous thread...Nancy Pelosi owns the joint...in partnership, I think.
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:43:15pm |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:43:24pm |
re: #24 Truck Monkey
I feel honored to have passed this magical milestone. You people like me..... you really, really like me!
/
We just like monkeys and trucks :-)
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GodsOwnGoober Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:43:54pm |
re: #27 rhino2
Whatcha smokin?
I enjoy a good Avo myself - or the La Flor Dominicana chisel if I'm feeling adventurous.
Both good choices. I have a nice rocky patel waiting for me for after dinner.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:43:57pm |
re: #4 albusteve
I myself am of the World of Meat....a Meatist
I guess Fat Bastard Vegetarian can't participate in this thread then....
/
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:44:35pm |
re: #29 DEZes
P.E.T.A.
People Eating Tasty Animals.
Carnivore Restaurant in Nairobi Kenya I've been there it's yummy.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:44:41pm |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:45:33pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:45:45pm |
I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.
Got a call center in Pakistan.
I told them I was suicidal.
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:46:41pm |
re: #4 albusteve
I myself am of the World of Meat....a Meatist
Hey, that's good. Another epithet to add to the leftists arsenal:
- Racist
- Sexist
- Homophobe
- Xenophobe (I guess this means you're afraid of xenon's?//)
- Meatist. To be hurled by PITA libtards.....
I love it....
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Idle Drifter Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:47:09pm |
re: #28 MandyManners
I love it when those entrails go flying up. Looks like linked sausages.
It's especially gruesome with the rest of the scene as some of the orcs being literally eaten alive until the Horsemen come in from no where and wipe out the camp.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:47:13pm |
re: #31 elevenbravo1969
Re-post for the French Laundry fans who may have missed it on the previous thread...Nancy Pelosi owns the joint...in partnership, I think.
Huh?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:47:29pm |
re: #43 LGoPs
Hey, that's good. Another epithet to add to the leftists arsenal:
- Racist
- Sexist
- Homophobe
- Xenophobe (I guess this means you're afraid of xenon's?//)
- Meatist. To be hurled by PITA libtards.....I love it....
They're in the pocket, no?
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Bobblehead Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:47:33pm |
re: #41 sattv4u2
I was depressed last night, so I called Lifeline.
Got a call center in Pakistan.
I told them I was suicidal.
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
Black humor at its semi finest.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:47pm |
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:52pm |
re: #43 LGoPs
Hey, that's good. Another epithet to add to the leftists arsenal:
- Racist
- Sexist
- Homophobe
- Xenophobe (I guess this means you're afraid of xenon's?//)
- Meatist. To be hurled by PITA libtards.....I love it....
PITA libtards. Great LOL. Isn't that the Greek recipe for Gyros?
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:56pm |
re: #35 GodsOwnGoober
I've only had one Rocky Patel, friend of mine had them, great smoke.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:48:59pm |
just a piece of meat...........
Afghan Cleric Defends Law Legalizing Rape in Marriage
The law, passed last month, says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse, and regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home alone.
"It is essential for the woman to submit to the man's sexual desire," the law says.
/pass the tenderizer...........
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sattv4u2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:49:01pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:49:01pm |
Stuffs needs doings.
Later Lizards.
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:49:48pm |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:51:22pm |
re: #51 callahan23
My ancestors didn't climb to the top so we eat tofu.
Omnivores unite.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:51:32pm |
re: #53 IslandLibertarian
just a piece of meat...........
Afghan Cleric Defends Law Legalizing Rape in Marriage
The law, passed last month, says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse, and regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home alone."It is essential for the woman to submit to the man's sexual desire," the law says.
/pass the tenderizer...........
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:51:40pm |
Later SB, rhino2. Take care of yourselves out there.
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:51:54pm |
re: #53 IslandLibertarian
regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home alone
Back to the Taliban.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:52:31pm |
re: #51 callahan23
PITA libtards. Great LOL. Isn't that the Greek recipe for Gyros?
I love gyros.There's a middle eastern variant too called shwarma. uses chicken mainly. Love that too.
How you doing today Callahan? Hope you're well as can be.
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elevenbravo1969 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:54:26pm |
re: #45 MandyManners
Nancy Pelosi is a part-owner of the French Laundry in Yountville.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:55:59pm |
re: #64 elevenbravo1969
Nancy Pelosi is a part-owner of the French Laundry in Yountville.
I will make it my business to never go there. Not even as a joke to get my laundry done......
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:56:47pm |
re: #58 DEZes
My ancestors didn't climb to the top so we eat tofu.
Omnivores unite.
I am not descended from some monkey. I am sure that I am descended from a primate that liked baby back ribs slathered in Sweet Baby Rays.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:56:47pm |
Massive rally in support of terrorism in the UK......
100,000 Tamil supporters march through London
At least 100,000 people marched in London on Saturday to demand an immediate end to Sri Lanka's military offensive against Tamil Tiger rebels.
Ethnic Tamils and their supporters packed the streets of the capital, brandishing Tamil Tiger flags and urging the U.K. to suspend development aid to Sri Lanka, a former British colony.
RoP not involved. Shocka.
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Digital Display Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:57:48pm |
re: #57 MandyManners
Nice restaurant in California.
Hey Mandy..We were talking about that I grew up a mile and half from the French Laundry in Yountville..Back then it was called the Yountville Cafe.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:57:50pm |
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:58:27pm |
re: #63 LGoPs
I love gyros.There's a middle eastern variant too called shwarma. uses chicken mainly. Love that too.
How you doing today Callahan? Hope you're well as can be.
Hi LGoPs thanks,
I am re-developing my grumpy old self.
Ohh, that's backwards evolution? ///
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:58:28pm |
re: #66 opnion
I am not descended from some monkey. I am sure that I am descended from a primate that liked baby back ribs slathered in Sweet Baby Rays.
MMMMMM, ribs!
Homer mode off.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:58:47pm |
re: #53 IslandLibertarian
just a piece of meat...........
Afghan Cleric Defends Law Legalizing Rape in Marriage
The law, passed last month, says a husband can demand sex with his wife every four days unless she is ill or would be harmed by intercourse, and regulates when and for what reasons a wife may leave her home alone."It is essential for the woman to submit to the man's sexual desire," the law says.
/pass the tenderizer...........
THis is crazy. If you don't let women leave home alone, how can she run out & get you a pizza?
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:59:59pm |
re: #27 rhino2
Whatcha smokin?
I enjoy a good Avo myself - or the La Flor Dominicana chisel if I'm feeling adventurous.
Monte Cristo, it was a gift.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:00:40pm |
re: #72 opnion
THis is crazy. If you don't let women leave home alone, how can she run out & get you a pizza?
Where's that clue by four!
*WHACK*
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:00:42pm |
re: #73 rawmuse
Monte Cristo, it was a gift.
Don't lie to us - I can see you've got a pipe in your mouth right now!
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:00:49pm |
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:01:56pm |
re: #74 reine.de.tout
Where's that clue by four!
*WHACK*
I knew that it was coming, but I figured it would be Mandy.
Et tu Reine?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:02:03pm |
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Shug Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:02:23pm |
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:02:49pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Massive rally in support of terrorism in the UK......
100,000 Tamil supporters march through LondonRoP not involved. Shocka.
England is gonna go off like huge Roman candle someday...huge fireworks
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:03:13pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
LOL.........SJ needs it.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:03:42pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
Consider yourself lucky it wasn't your grey matter.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:03:48pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
Yes, but did you hear the worst part? LGF is being forced to take Treasury dollars, and they're replacing stinky woth spacejeebus.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:04:05pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
Obama is adhering to the karmanist manifesto......
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:04:39pm |
re: #82 DEZes
Consider yourself lucky it wasn't your grey matter.
Look, SJ may be many things, but no one has yet accused him of being a zombie member of the ambulatory deceased cerebro-phagic community.
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Truck Monkey Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:05:03pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
The Mexicans have a space program?
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:05:19pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
Ouch, where would your karma-to-comments ratio go?
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:05:49pm |
re: #85 Guanxi88
Look, SJ may be many things, but no one has yet accused him of being a
zombiemember of the ambulatory deceased cerebro-phagic community.
Thier coming to get you Barbra.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:06:47pm |
re: #89 DEZes
Thier coming to get you Barbra.
Easily the crappiest line from the crappiest scene of a classic movie.
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:07:10pm |
Yes, it’s another open thread, while my lizardoid robot simulacra and I (overseen by the inestimable Stinky Beaumont) deal with some pressing business in the world of meat.
Meatspace is indeed becoming more and more bothersome and demanding these days. When will the meatbags leave me alone? Always wanting wanting wanting this or that.
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Taqyia2Me Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:07:49pm |
re: #83 Guanxi88
Yes, but did you hear the worst part? LGF is being forced to take Treasury dollars, and they're replacing stinky woth spacejeebus.
Up is down, back is forth, right is left.
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:08:22pm |
For tomorrow I have a 12 lb. Smithfield smoked ham.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:09:22pm |
re: #90 Guanxi88
Easily the crappiest line from the crappiest scene of a classic movie.
Cant argue with that.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:09:39pm |
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:09:45pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:10:02pm |
re: #98 LGoPs
That's how he's smoking the ham........
:)
I thought Barry was the Ham that smoked itself (menthol, yet!)
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:11:14pm |
re: #100 Guanxi88
I thought Barry was the Ham that smoked itself (menthol, yet!)
Menthol, I mean mint-sauce is only good with lamb.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:11:32pm |
re: #98 LGoPs
That's how he's smoking the ham........
:)
What's the secret, I can't keep them going.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:11:56pm |
re: #100 Guanxi88
I thought Barry was the Ham that smoked itself (menthol, yet!)
Yeah really. Be nice to see him take some shit the from cigarette nazi crowd for having a bad influence on children. Never happen.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:12:15pm |
re: #100 Guanxi88
I thought Barry was the Ham that smoked itself (menthol, yet!)
Heck granny Clampet smoked crawdads.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:12:31pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:12:44pm |
re: #103 LGoPs
Yeah really. Be nice to see him take some shit the from cigarette nazi crowd for having a bad influence on children. Never happen.
I'll give him this though - at least he has the decency to keep this vice of his to himself.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:13:58pm |
Blue Seattle News media goes ballistic........
Mason County's Tim Sheldon defends off-color remark
Sheldon, a Democrat, had told the Shelton-Mason County Journal weekly newspaper earlier this week that he thinks the county's well-armed residents can better withstand budget cuts to police services than residents in other counties."There is no bag limit," he told reporter Kevan Moore. "There's always an open season on criminals in Mason County... I think the Mason County citizens are very well aware of how to protect themselves in a situation that might need a response."
[snip]"
Our sheriff thinks we're a magnet for crime, because we're a rural county. My point is our citizens are probably better armed than any other county. So the message is, don't attempt a home invasion in Mason County or you may get a hot Mason County lead enema," Sheldon said.
[snip]
He also said he usually finds himself in the middle of a ruckus each session. Most years, it seems, it's his bucking of fellow Democrats on budget matters that gets him in trouble with his colleagues, some of whom question his loyalty to the party.
Citizen defending themselves?! The horror! The horror!
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:14:14pm |
re: #107 DEZes
Meat eating plants.
In a sense, I'm a plant eating meat, since I'm an omnivore.......
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:14:37pm |
re: #106 Guanxi88
I'll give him this though - at least he has the decency to keep this vice of his to himself.
He's embarrassed,the smoking Nazis are mostly Liberals.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:15:09pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:16:08pm |
re: #77 opnion
I knew that it was coming, but I figured it would be Mandy.
Et tu Reine?
yes.
You really deserved that one.
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:17:17pm |
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:17:22pm |
re: #114 LGoPs
Stop your haming and hawing......
:)
Hock it off, it' s nout any of your business.
;-P
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:17:27pm |
re: #113 opnion
He's embarrassed,the smoking Nazis are mostly Liberals.
I've noticed a certain cognitive dissonance on that score:
Marijuana? That's fine and should be legalized, and is an amusing and important part of the counter-culture from which these types hail.
Tobacco? Cultivated and used ceremonially and daily but Native Americans since time immemorial, a great comfort to many, a cheap anti-depressant/anti-anxiety agent? Verboten.
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vagabond trader Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:18:06pm |
Don't any of the movie channels show good old fashioned biblical epics on Easter and Passover week anymore? All I can find is "The Ten Commandments" on ABC with commercials.Geesh.,
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:18:41pm |
re: #119 Guanxi88
I've noticed a certain cognitive dissonance on that score:
Marijuana? That's fine and should be legalized, and is an amusing and important part of the counter-culture from which these types hail.
Tobacco? Cultivated and used ceremonially and daily but Native Americans since time immemorial, a great comfort to many, a cheap anti-depressant/anti-anxiety agent? Verboten.
I've noticed a similar sort of puritanism among pot-heads, who look (with red, blood-shot eyes) down on those who prefer a drink, or who use tobacco. Funny.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:18:41pm |
re: #116 USBeast
Very funny. Haw, haw haw.
What, are you Lord Haw Haw....?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
:)
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:18:53pm |
re: #115 reine.de.tout
yes.
You really deserved that one.
Eyes darting around..... Ah, you know, I ah didn't meant it the way it sounded. Yeah that's it, that's the ticket. No wait , it wasn't really me.
Hold on minute , my wife just got home with the pizza.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:19:10pm |
re: #120 vagabond trader
Don't any of the movie channels show good old fashioned biblical epics on Easter and Passover week anymore? All I can find is "The Ten Commandments" on ABC with commercials.Geesh.,
But why should today be different from any other? :)
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:19:52pm |
re: #118 JCM
Hock it off, it' s nout any of your business.
;-P
be nice or you will reap what you sow......
:)
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:20:15pm |
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USBeast Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:21:32pm |
re: #127 opnion
Hmmm, I may outnumbered here & in some serious trouble. Damn!
There isn't a soul on this planet that isn't outnumbered.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:21:37pm |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:21:44pm |
Hello and good day everyone. I'm posting the link, the only way I know how--from NASA about their stereo probes looking for Theia. Wouldn't it be exciting if they actually found some of it?
Your text to link...
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:22:22pm |
re: #128 USBeast
There isn't a soul on this planet that isn't outnumbered.
That was a VERY clever riposte, sir or madam!
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:22:57pm |
re: #125 LGoPs
be nice or you will reap what you sow......
:)
I see, I'll be a roast if I don't knuckle under.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:14pm |
re: #129 DEZes
When pigs fly.
/ liquid smoke
Stop needling me. You're just like a pork-u-pine.....
:)
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:17pm |
re: #123 opnion
Eyes darting around..... Ah, you know, I ah didn't meant it the way it sounded. Yeah that's it, that's the ticket. No wait , it wasn't really me.
Hold on minute , my wife just got home with the pizza.
Did she have to drive about a thousand miles? ;-)
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:30pm |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:47pm |
re: #133 LGoPs
Stop needling me. You're just like a pork-u-pine.....
:)
That's what people do with a thread--needle. (ducks)
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:52pm |
re: #128 USBeast
There isn't a soul on this planet that isn't outnumbered.
That is so deep., makes me want to toke.
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:23:55pm |
re: #79 Shug
I just heard Obama is going to redistribute some of my karma to space jesus.
We joke, but this kind of stuff is going on in American schools all the time. I've been reading about a common "teaching technique" that is now nearly universal:
Instead of students each doing their own work individually, they instead are assigned to work in "teams" of anywhere between 4 and 8 kids for each assignment (writing a paper, doing a project, etc.) Each team is supposed to work cooperatively. There are two options: Either the team produces a single assignment to represent the whole group; or they each produce their own thing, and then they "teach each other" which entails publicly critiquing each paper/etc. in a circle, and then each student making corrections on other student's essays. The final edited products are then turned into the teacher for grading.
However, as may have already surmised, what inevitably happens is that the best student in each "team" ends up doing all the work for all the lesser students. This becomes especially egregious because, according to educational theory, each team must be as "diverse" as possible in regards to student abilities. In other words, it not allowed to have a team of all the smartest kids in the class, and a different team of all the goof-offs. Each team must have a smart kid, a medium-smart kid, a struggling kid, and a goof-off kid.
In each possible scenario, the smart kid either does all the work for the whole team's group project, or makes all the necessary editing and corrections on the goof-off kids' papers. Etc.
Consequently -- and the real whole purpose to this set-up -- is that the goof-off kids get better grades while getting all their work done for them. It is in essence a way of redistributing academic credit.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:24:13pm |
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:24:51pm |
re: #134 katemaclaren
Did she have to drive about a thousand miles? ;-)
Naw, I love her, I keep it within a mile. Besides I want the pizza hot.
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:24:55pm |
re: #137 katemaclaren
That's what people do with a thread--needle. (ducks)
They'll never pin that one on you.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:09pm |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:14pm |
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Lincolntf Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:32pm |
re: #130 katemaclaren
I'm a Big Splat guy myself, but it would be cool if they found something new (old).
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:33pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:25:40pm |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:26:06pm |
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:26:10pm |
re: #139 zombie
We joke, but this kind of stuff is going on in American schools all the time. I've been reading about a common "teaching technique" that is now nearly universal:
Instead of students each doing their own work individually, they instead are assigned to work in "teams" of anywhere between 4 and 8 kids for each assignment (writing a paper, doing a project, etc.) Each team is supposed to work cooperatively. There are two options: Either the team produces a single assignment to represent the whole group; or they each produce their own thing, and then they "teach each other" which entails publicly critiquing each paper/etc. in a circle, and then each student making corrections on other student's essays. The final edited products are then turned into the teacher for grading.
However, as may have already surmised, what inevitably happens is that the best student in each "team" ends up doing all the work for all the lesser students. This becomes especially egregious because, according to educational theory, each team must be as "diverse" as possible in regards to student abilities. In other words, it not allowed to have a team of all the smartest kids in the class, and a different team of all the goof-offs. Each team must have a smart kid, a medium-smart kid, a struggling kid, and a goof-off kid.
In each possible scenario, the smart kid either does all the work for the whole team's group project, or makes all the necessary editing and corrections on the goof-off kids' papers. Etc.
Consequently -- and the real whole purpose to this set-up -- is that the goof-off kids get better grades while getting all their work done for them. It is in essence a way of redistributing academic credit.
And, the teachers pair the smart ones with the lazy and/or dumb ones....so, one kid does all the work and the others get a free ride. That is lazy of the teacher. But, you know what, it's a lesson for real life for the smart kid...people will ride on your efforts if you let them
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:27:39pm |
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:00pm |
re: #139 zombie
A disincentive to be smart. Perfect. Just what our schools need. /
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:18pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:27pm |
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:28:54pm |
re: #150 Desert Dog
And, the teachers pair the smart ones with the lazy and/or dumb ones....so, one kid does all the work and the others get a free ride. That is lazy of the teacher. But, you know what, it's a lesson for real life for the smart kid...people will ride on your efforts if you let them
It's basically "academic socialism" -- an intentionally designed mechanism for redistributing credit and school grades. It's not just "lazy" of the teachers -- though it does have a certain appeal to the lazy teachers as well -- it's a way of raising up the goofballs and dragging down the excellers.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:29:17pm |
anyone for some North-Korean-Jerky?
good with Kim-chee.........
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:29:51pm |
re: #153 rawmuse
A disincentive to be smart. Perfect. Just what our schools need. /
Dumb it down, easier to control & elect demagogues.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:29:55pm |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:00pm |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:22pm |
OBAMA'S BROTHER REFUSED ENTRY TO UK
President's half-sibling is denied British visa over claims of attempted sex assault on girl in Berkshire
ttp[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]
Hey this is better than Pizza!
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:34pm |
re: #158 IslandLibertarian
anyone for some North-Korean-Jerky?
good with Kim-chee.........
Yeah, he looks a little thin these days, don't he? Kinda dessicated. Where's the apple-cheeked psycho we all knew and loved? Whatever's wrong with him (physically, that is) I hope it's painful and lingering.
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:43pm |
re: #139 zombie
Equality of outcome as opposed to equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is the goal of liberals, equality of opportunity, the goal of conservatives.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:30:47pm |
re: #157 Guanxi88
I tell ya, SNL's got mutton on LGF.
Trouble with SNL is that they just RAM it down one's throat!
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:31:00pm |
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:31:16pm |
re: #158 IslandLibertarian
anyone for some North-Korean-Jerky?
good with Kim-chee.........
Couldn't you have warned us? A NSFW would have sufficed. Bleach where is my BLEACH?
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:31:55pm |
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:07pm |
re: #153 rawmuse
A disincentive to be smart. Perfect. Just what our schools need. /
It's preparing our kids for the real world: If you earn a lot of money, it will be taken away from you via excess taxation and given to people who don't earn anything. So, as "school preparation" for getting used to this system, they take away your schoolwork and give it to other kids who coast along on your smarts and effort.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:12pm |
re: #123 opnion
Eyes darting around..... Ah, you know, I ah didn't meant it the way it sounded. Yeah that's it, that's the ticket. No wait , it wasn't really me.
Hold on minute , my wife just got home with the pizza.
heh.
The Roi sent me out last night for po-boys.
And I went.
But he asked really nice.
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brookly red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:28pm |
re: #162 Nevergiveup
uhhhh, all I got was a big lizzard w/a stop sign?
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:31pm |
Stay away from the trafe, Charles! Or not. ;-)
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:40pm |
re: #164 quickjustice
Equality of outcome as opposed to equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome is the goal of liberals, equality of opportunity, the goal of conservatives.
Bingo.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:32:56pm |
re: #158 IslandLibertarian
anyone for some North-Korean-Jerky?
good with Kim-chee.........
I'm ferelling rill today. Wary Wary rill.
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:33:31pm |
re: #117 wrenchwench
I had to backup and upding that SNAIL mail! He sure does walk softly!
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:34:23pm |
re: #170 zombie
It's preparing our kids for the real world: If you earn a lot of money, it will be taken away from you via excess taxation and given to people who don't earn anything. So, as "school preparation" for getting used to this system, they take away your schoolwork and give it to other kids who coast along on your smarts and effort.
Welcome to the US Public Educational System.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:35:31pm |
re: #172 brookly red
uhhhh, all I got was a big lizzard w/a stop sign?
[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]
try this
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USBeast Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:35:33pm |
re: #174 zombie
Bingo.
Wasn't it Robert Frost who said: "I don't believe in a homogenized society. I want the cream to rise."?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:35:39pm |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:35:49pm |
re: #169 DEZes
Sheep!
Get a gander of THESE sheep:
Your text to link...
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:00pm |
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:25pm |
re: #139 zombie
This is the biggest complaint of my two high school aged kids. Everything is done in groups, and my kids usually do most of the work. Oh, and did I mention rampant cheating throughout? On homework, during tests.... all the time, every day.
I tell them that, ultimately, their diligence and hard work will pay off because they will know something.... whereas the kids who move through life will finally pay the price for their laziness... (and they will pay that price when they can least afford it!)
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:38pm |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
heh.
The Roi sent me out last night for po-boys.
And I went.
But he asked really nice.
To be honest, if I tried to send my wife for pizza she would say "that sounds good. Where are you going to get it?"
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:52pm |
re: #182 rawmuse
The Grasshopper is winning.
No, that's a locust. They do look much alike, but they're easy to tell apart:
The grasshopper doesn't work, and simply sits by and starves;
The locust strips the countryside bare, feeding and gorging on the fruits of the labor of others.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:36:59pm |
re: #180 USBeast
Wasn't it Robert Frost who said: "I don't believe in a homogenized society. I want the cream to rise."?
Sure the cream rises to the top, but shit also floats. The trick is trying to figure out which is which.
/my $0.02
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:21pm |
re: #188 BlueCanuck
Sure the cream rises to the top, but shit also floats. The trick is trying to figure out which is which.
/my $0.02
Smell, maybe?
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:26pm |
re: #139 zombie
"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need." Hmmm. There's a name for that-- what is it?
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:28pm |
re: #139 zombie
Yes, my daughter has had a few assignments like this.
fortunately:
1. Her school does not do this very often.
2. In most cases (but not all), each student must turn in his/her work with the team's effort, so the teacher can see that each contributed.
3. Daughter is in "honors" classes and all of her teammates are also "honors" students, and are all making good grades on their own on solo assignments.
But in schools where those conditions are not available - yes, it ends up as a redistribution of "credit", and often the worst student gets a better grade than he/she would have, but the best student may also end up with a worse grade that he/she would have gotten.
Bad results all the way around.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:30pm |
re: #184 IslandLibertarian
Sheep Thrills.........
I only have eyes for ewes...........
Sheepless in Seattle.
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:38pm |
re: #185 WindHorse
(that should be "the kids who move through life doing as little as possible")
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:45pm |
re: #184 IslandLibertarian
Flock to my #184 for some sheep thrills.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:47pm |
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:37:55pm |
re: #190 quickjustice
"From each according to his ability; to each according to his need." Hmmm. There's a name for that-- what is it?
Policy; the new name for that is "policy"
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:38:38pm |
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:07pm |
re: #170 zombie
It's preparing our kids for the real world: If you earn a lot of money, it will be taken away from you via excess taxation and given to people who don't earn anything. So, as "school preparation" for getting used to this system, they take away your schoolwork and give it to other kids who coast along on your smarts and effort.
The tax code says to the Middle Class, 'You can go this far & no further."
I think that it is going to get lots worse.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:12pm |
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Pigtown Water Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:13pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:17pm |
re: #192 JCM
Sheepless in Seattle.
Stop it or I will have to lambaste you with more puns.......
I'm ruminating over it.....
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:21pm |
sheeple
sheeple who need sheeple
are the luuuuckiest sheeple in the world...
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:39:26pm |
re: #184 IslandLibertarian
Sheep Thrills.........
I only have eyes for ewes...........
Oh, that "ewes" gives it away? Would you be a sheep from New Joisey?
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:40:03pm |
re: #201 LGoPs
Stop it or I will have to lambaste you with more puns.......
I'm ruminating over it.....
I don't think you MINT that!
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:40:38pm |
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:40:54pm |
We are going to get on Zombie's last nerve here--Zombie is SERIOUS. Bah.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:40:57pm |
Damn. I think I tried this in the previous thread just as it went quiet.
I'll try again here ...
I'd like a lizard opinion on something.
I've lived in Canada for over ten years. I pay taxes here and my children attend public school. I'd like to have some say in local politics. I don't think that I would run for office but I'd like to vote and maybe serve on committees.
To do either, I would have to get Canadian citizenship.
I qualified to apply after only three years here. (Yes ... it's quite easy in Canada.)
However ... I'm an American. I don't think that I could swear allegiance to the Queen or another country.
What do you think about dual citizenship?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:28pm |
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Lincolntf Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:37pm |
re: #162 Nevergiveup
"He then followed them into a cafe where he became aggressive and was asked to leave by the owner."
A cafe or a "pizza place" hmmm? A brother in Kenya? Who may or may not live in a "hut". Pizza, Obama, Hut ...Pizza Hut!
I smell a massive conspiracy. Follow the pies...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:43pm |
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quickjustice Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:52pm |
re: #188 BlueCanuck
That's the problem with sorting out the financial crisis. Many of the Wall Streeters and their accomplices in Washington, D.C. who caused the meltdown now are prominently being bailed out by the U.S. Treasury. It's a classic case of rewarding failure. Moral hazard has disappeared from the highest circles of the financial system, and crony capitalism has replaced it.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:41:58pm |
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brookly red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:13pm |
re: #179 Nevergiveup
got that, but what can I say... I have had bad experiences before (not here mind you) that came from commenting on the one's family...
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:17pm |
Well, guys it has been pun, but I've got to goat.
Easter baskets to pack.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:30pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:35pm |
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MandyManners Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:41pm |
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:42:51pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:01pm |
re: #216 katemaclaren
Well, guys it has been pun, but I've got to goat.
Easter baskets to pack.
Hop to it!
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:19pm |
re: #139 zombie
This isn't new. When I was a kid, science class was exactly like that. I just did all of the work so that no one else would ruin my average.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:24pm |
re: #216 katemaclaren
Well, guys it has been pun, but I've got to goat.
Easter baskets to pack.
see ya later, kid
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:24pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:40pm |
re: #216 katemaclaren
Well, guys it has been pun, but I've got to goat.
Easter baskets to pack.
You sound like a hard-boiled traditionalist.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:42pm |
re: #208 meeshlr
Tough choice. Are you allowed dual citizenship? I know you want to be involved, it definitely is a tough choice. Is your SO a Canadian?
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katemaclaren Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:43:59pm |
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:44:03pm |
re: #208 meeshlr
Inasmuch as I do not like having non-US citizens influencing US elections, I would think that Canadians have similar sentiments.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:44:20pm |
re: #207 katemaclaren
We are going to get on Zombie's last nerve here--Zombie is SERIOUS. Bah.
Your kids can still get a good education from public schools. My older boys are doing very well. My senior has been accepted to three universities and his younger brother is hoping for a scholarship. It takes being completely involved in your children's education. I know their teacher's names. I know what they are doing in their classes. It drove them crazy, but they have both thanked me for my diligence in this matter. My little one loves school and is thriving as well. Just like most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:44:54pm |
re: #225 pre-Boomer Marine brat
You sound like a hard-boiled traditionalist.
Thats her sunny side showing up.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:06pm |
re: #228 rawmuse
Inasmuch as I do not like having non-US citizens influencing US elections, I would think that Canadians have similar sentiments.
I thought their primitive nervous systems only allowed them to have reflexes and autonomic responses.
////
(I kid; everybody knows I'm talking about the Irish when I say such things.)
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:34pm |
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:45:44pm |
re: #208 meeshlr
What do you think about dual citizenship?
Why not go for it?
"0"(pronounced zero) is a citizen of the world.
/I couldn't give up my citizenship........
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:09pm |
re: #233 Guanxi88
Careful there, some of us do know how to use rifles. ;)
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:41pm |
re: #232 JCM
You have a weaning way about you, I'm sure we'll get to the root of it.
Well, at least now you nose what a shoat ring is.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:46:56pm |
re: #236 BlueCanuck
Careful there, some of us do know how to use rifles. ;)
I once had a Canadian rifle, a 1905 Ross.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:47:11pm |
re: #230 Desert Dog
Your kids can still get a good education from public schools. My older boys are doing very well. My senior has been accepted to three universities and his younger brother is hoping for a scholarship. It takes being completely involved in your children's education. I know their teacher's names. I know what they are doing in their classes. It drove them crazy, but they have both thanked me for my diligence in this matter. My little one loves school and is thriving as well. Just like most things in life, you get out of it what you put into it.
my two kids rocket through public school like a hot knife through butter...then both went on to very good colleges...it's all a matter of geography I guess...SF must be a nightmare
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Captain Amercia Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:47:18pm |
Ingineer66, who has been commenting on my blog just about as long as I can remember, has asked for some opinions/advice. I figured he may get more replies if I just went and turned it into a post. Here’s his comment. Feel free to offer him your best thoughts and advice.
Oh and not really related, but since a few military type folks and plenty of fire service folks stop in here I was wondering if I could indulge your blog to take a survey. My son is seriously considering going into the Marines as a Crash Fire Rescue firefighter. Instead of paying to go to the fire academy at the local Junior College this way he will get paid and get out of town, which is a good thing for him right now, and he will get all the certifications he needs plus Veterans Preference to get picked up by a department when he gets out. Does anybody have any thoughts on this idea, good or bad? Thank you Captain, for allowing me to ask.
FIRST IN
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:47:22pm |
re: #226 BlueCanuck
Yes. He's Canadian. Our children are dual citizens.
Currently, dual citizenship is allowed although the US simply doesn't recognize the other citizenship which is as it should be. I would never renounce my American citizenship or do anything to jeopardize it.
Honestly, I will probably just get as involved as I can be hear without citizenship. People have advised that I just take the oath with "fingers crossed" but that is dishonest.
I wonder if all people with dual citizenship have a hierarchy in their hearts/minds as to their true citizenship and which country really comes first?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:47:33pm |
re: #229 Wishing
Off, but on Topic:
White House pup Tuesday
Water dogs are great dogs, I mean really great dogs.
So much for the rescued pup. They are selling that this dog was returned back to the breeder, so you know it's kinda like a rescue.
What a bunch of crap! It's a pedigreed dog from a good breeder, just say it.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:48:17pm |
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:48:24pm |
re: #243 opnion
Water dogs are great dogs, I mean really great dogs.
So much for the rescued pup. They are selling that this dog was returned back to the breeder, so you know it's kinda like a rescue.
What a bunch of crap! It's a pedigreed dog from a good breeder, just say it.
However it is 6 months old, which suggests to me that there may be behavior problems.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:06pm |
re: #243 opnion
Water dogs are great dogs, I mean really great dogs.
So much for the rescued pup. They are selling that this dog was returned back to the breeder, so you know it's kinda like a rescue.
What a bunch of crap! It's a pedigreed dog from a good breeder, just say it.
Michelle looks like Lawrence Taylor...hunkahunka
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:07pm |
re: #245 Wishing
However it is 6 months old, which suggests to me that there may be behavior problems.
You mean the new owners?
| 248 |
So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:07pm |
Analog thread....hmmm....does that mean I have to take a hammer to all my old vinyl LPs?
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:13pm |
re: #243 opnion
Sad, but the shelters are overflowing with abandoned dogs, good ones, right now.
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Aviator Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:39pm |
re: #245 Wishing
However it is 6 months old, which suggests to me that there may be behavior problems.
Fits right in with the One and his associates.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:49:48pm |
re: #245 Wishing
However it is 6 months old, which suggests to me that there may be behavior problems.
the dog or the owners?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:50:16pm |
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:50:21pm |
re: #249 rawmuse
Sad, but the shelters are overflowing with abandoned dogs, good ones, right now.
Agree, I have a one year old Red bone Coonhound that I got at my local shelter. She is a beauty!
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:12pm |
re: #230 Desert Dog
I couldn't agree more. The teacher and the school district can only do so much.... beyond that, it is up to the individual kid as to what they achieve in school.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:21pm |
What does "analog thread" mean in Charles/Lizard-speak?
Just began seeing it today.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:26pm |
For the love of all things holy and good, the next time I decide to go grocery shopping the day before Easter please stop me.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:29pm |
re: #237 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Well, at least now you nose what a shoat ring is.
You had me in in a pickle, I had to rack my brain on that one.
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Captain Amercia Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:35pm |
My kids go to a very decent public grade school. It is a smaller neighborhood school. However my wife is adamant about being 100% involved in their lessons and home work. The school only goes to 5th grade and then they must go to middle school. I am not thrilled with that. But public school is absolutely a mixed bag. Some are very good and some are little more than prisons. I know plenty people who have pulled their kids out of Catholic school so you never really can tell. I believe the most important thing is parental involvement.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:37pm |
re: #249 rawmuse
Sad, but the shelters are overflowing with abandoned dogs, good ones, right now.
Got my dog from the Local Humane Society. He would have been a goner if I waited a few more days they told me. He is the best dog I've ever had....a mutt.
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brookly red Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:51:59pm |
re: #243 opnion
Water dogs are great dogs, I mean really great dogs.
So much for the rescued pup. They are selling that this dog was returned back to the breeder, so you know it's kinda like a rescue.
What a bunch of crap! It's a pedigreed dog from a good breeder, just say it.
Why stop now? why not adopt a poor child too... you know one that didn't get aborted.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:10pm |
re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat
What does "analog thread" mean in Charles/Lizard-speak?
Just began seeing it today.
Charles is dealing with real world things today......
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zombie Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:11pm |
re: #200 Pigtown Water Dog
re: #185 WindHorse
There is always "one more chance" for the slug students at school.
Not in my day. At least where I went to school. As crazy and moonbatty as my school district was, it was still somewhat stuck in the "olden days" where grades were grades, and there were never any "extra chances." If the teacher says the essay is due Wednesday by 3pm, it was due Wednesday by 3pm. Show up at 3:05pm, and the classroom door is locked. Try to complain, and you get an "uncooperative" mark next to your "F."
It may seem harsh, but it was good for us, because it taught me at least to meet deadlines and be truly responsible. As soon as you start cutting students slack and more slack, they become lazy and procrastinators. And, as adults, terrible workers who feel entitled. Better to get "stung" by reality a few times when you're young then grown up and maintain a bad attitude for your whole life.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:18pm |
re: #249 rawmuse
Sad, but the shelters are overflowing with abandoned dogs, good ones, right now.
Yeah & rescuing one is a great idea. Mutts can be some of the best dogs & seem to have less health issues.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:22pm |
re: #257 JCM
You had me in in a pickle, I had to rack my brain on that one.
Had you over a barrel did he?
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:38pm |
re: #256 loppyd
For the love of all things holy and good, the next time I decide to go grocery shopping the day before Easter please stop me.
No kidding, eh? I wanted to go, but then I remembered.
/guess who went for a "few things" Christmas Eve morning? LOL.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:52:48pm |
re: #243 opnion
White House dog...........
anyone else see a resemblance to Rick James?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:53:12pm |
re: #253 Wishing
Agree, I have a one year old Red bone Coonhound that I got at my local shelter. She is a beauty!
How old when you got her & did she housebreak easy?
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:53:33pm |
re: #257 JCM
You had me in in a pickle, I had to rack my brain on that one.
Heh, I saw them on the shelf in the (blue-chip, first-rate) hardware store I shopped at in Tucson. That's the only reason I knew. The boxes had a logo of a ring in a pig's nose.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:53:34pm |
re: #258 Captain Amercia
My kids go to a very decent public grade school. It is a smaller neighborhood school. However my wife is adamant about being 100% involved in their lessons and home work. The school only goes to 5th grade and then they must go to middle school. I am not thrilled with that. But public school is absolutely a mixed bag. Some are very good and some are little more than prisons. I know plenty people who have pulled their kids out of Catholic school so you never really can tell. I believe the most important thing is parental involvement.
That is exactly right. Most teachers tend to lean left, but I would be hard pressed to question their love of the kids. Even at a substandard school, you kids can get out of there with a decent education. If you, the teachers and the student all strive at it....
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:07pm |
re: #265 OldLineTexan
No kidding, eh? I wanted to go, but then I remembered.
/guess who went for a "few things" Christmas Eve morning? LOL.
It was insane! No shopping carts. Can't fit a case of water in a basket.
I've shopped Christmas Eve morning....it was kind of fun, actually.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:23pm |
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:26pm |
re: #264 DEZes
Had you over a barrel did he?
He just about let the cat out of the bag, I've been citified for too long.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:38pm |
We're dogsitting for friends. He's an adorable Cavalier King Charles Spaniel (what a pretentious name.....) puppy. i've dubbed him Cujo....which is the exact opposite of what his size and demeanor reflect. :)
Our own beagle gets along great with him. They've become fast friends........
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:38pm |
re: #261 JCM
Charles is dealing with real world things today......
Damn!
I was hoping the Digital Revolution was finally getting its comeupance.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:54:52pm |
re: #266 IslandLibertarian
White House dog...........
anyone else see a resemblance to Rick James?
That dog's a supa freak, she's supa freaky!
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:55:22pm |
re: #267 opnion
How old when you got her & did she housebreak easy?
She was about 3 months old, was found wandering around some neighborhood in town.
She is very stubborn but was easy to housebreak. That was the ONLY easy thing with her. lol
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:55:49pm |
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IslandLibertarian Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:55:51pm |
re: #266 IslandLibertarian
White House dog...........
anyone else see a resemblance to Rick James?
(r-rated)
really!
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:55:57pm |
re: #238 OldLineTexan
I once had a Canadian rifle, a 1905 Ross.
Great hunting rifle, poor military weapon. It was the Canadian infantry weapon in WW1. Chosen because the Prime minister at the time enjoyed using it on his hunts. The CEF cursed his name every day in the trenches.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:56:16pm |
re: #278 Wishing
She was about 3 months old, was found wandering around some neighborhood in town.
She is very stubborn but was easy to housebreak. That was the ONLY easy thing with her. lol
wait til she starts barking at the moon....you'll need pills
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:56:20pm |
re: #273 JCM
He just about let the cat out of the bag, I've been citified for too long.
I was rooting for you.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:56:29pm |
re: #278 Wishing
She was about 3 months old, was found wandering around some neighborhood in town.
She is very stubborn but was easy to housebreak. That was the ONLY easy thing with her. lol
Sounds like you have a pal.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:56:46pm |
re: #277 opnion
That dog's a supa freak, she's supa freaky!
when you get home she's got incense wine and candles...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:13pm |
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:20pm |
re: #282 albusteve
wait til she starts barking at the moon....you'll need pills
So far so good. She has a heck of a voice, but is an indoor dog so the barking is to a minimum.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:22pm |
re: #256 loppyd
For the love of all things holy and good, the next time I decide to go grocery shopping the day before Easter please stop me.
I went today too.
Big mistake.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:26pm |
re: #242 meeshlr
I guess it boils down to your decision. At least you can probably push and goad your husband to get involved as well. I am sure there are tons of ways you can get involved with out getting a dual citizenship as well. What ever choice you make, will probably be a correct one.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:57:37pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:06pm |
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:14pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:21pm |
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:30pm |
re: #281 BlueCanuck
Great hunting rifle, poor military weapon. It was the Canadian infantry weapon in WW1. Chosen because the Prime minister at the time enjoyed using it on his hunts. The CEF cursed his name every day in the trenches.
Yes, had a horrible reputation for locking up with any dirt/mud, and you could assemble the bolt such that it would not lock, and go back through your forehead when you pulled the trigger. They fixed that in the 1910 version, but as I understand it Canadian troops would "trade" dead/wounded Commonwealth soldiers for their SMLEs.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:36pm |
re: #186 opnion
To be honest, if I tried to send my wife for pizza she would say "that sounds good. Where are you going to get it?"
Your wife sounds like she's a lot smarter than I am.
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DEZes Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:42pm |
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:49pm |
re: #284 opnion
Sounds like you have a pal.
lol twins, in fact, and even I don't pee on the carpet! But, like her, I don't sit still for anyone very long either!
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:58:55pm |
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:03pm |
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:04pm |
re: #269 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Heh, I saw them on the shelf in the (blue-chip, first-rate) hardware store I shopped at in Tucson. That's the only reason I knew. The boxes had a logo of a ring in a pig's nose.
Grandpa was a dairy farmer(left side of the street (I can still find it!)), but kept pigs, and other live stock to add variety to the dinner table. It's been a long time.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:32pm |
re: #288 Wishing
So far so good. She has a heck of a voice, but is an indoor dog so the barking is to a minimum.
friend of mine had em...Bones and Ticks...good LORD!...they were all HUGE and barked at everything....ROARED!...lovable tho, like gigantic beagles, that's all they are...HOWL!
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:39pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 3:59:43pm |
re: #293 DEZes
You need to go hog wild then.
You're sayin' ... "razorback and attack something" ...?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:18pm |
re: #278 Wishing
She was about 3 months old, was found wandering around some neighborhood in town.
She is very stubborn but was easy to housebreak. That was the ONLY easy thing with her. lol
Awww.
The BF rescued his dearly departed dog from a dumpster while attending Clemson. I never got to meet her, but she was a beauty. They think she was part Lab, part Rhodesian Ridgeback.
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:23pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:34pm |
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:00:56pm |
re: #303 albusteve
friend of mine had em...Bones and Ticks...good LORD!...they were all HUGE and barked at everything....ROARED!...lovable tho, like gigantic beagles, that's all they are...HOWL!
She does talk alot, yammers, I guess you could say. And she talks to herself as well, Funny as all get out!
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:01:19pm |
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:01:19pm |
About the Somali pirates. I just had a thought. They want $2 million dollars right?
So give them a few suitcases full of well counterfeited money. I'm sure they don't have a counterfeit expert aboard. Once they release the American Captain, the US opens fire and sends them all to the bottom of the ocean.
With a big banner: DON'T FUCK WITH US!
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:01:35pm |
I'm trying a new recipe tonight, and if it works out, I'll be submitting it to the LGF Cookbook which is still seeking recipes from the Lizards!
Don't forget Reine is also looking for gardening tips, as well as canning, pickling, and jam making tips.
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:04pm |
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:05pm |
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:35pm |
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:38pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:02:54pm |
re: #314 Sharmuta
I'm trying a new recipe tonight, and if it works out, I'll be submitting it to the LGF Cookbook which is still seeking recipes from the Lizards!
Don't forget Reine is also looking for gardening tips, as well as canning, pickling, and jam making tips.
I plan on getting pickled tonight......but I guess that's not the kind you are referring to?
:)
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:03:02pm |
US ship reaches Kenya minus kidnapped captain
Maersk President John Reinhart said from Norfolk, Virginia that the ship was still a crime scene and the crewmen could not leave until the FBI investigates the attack.
Is the Navy going to Mirandize these scurvy fucks or kill them?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:03:12pm |
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:03:37pm |
re: #314 Sharmuta
I'm trying a new recipe tonight, and if it works out, I'll be submitting it to the LGF Cookbook which is still seeking recipes from the Lizards!
Don't forget Reine is also looking for gardening tips, as well as canning, pickling, and jam making tips.
I was a well known expert at pickling in my day...
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:03:56pm |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:15pm |
I just got a shock. I got an E-Mail from my Unit. Another Lt. Commander in the Unites States Navy Dental Corp died in his sleep on Friday. He was the first person I met when I came on board and we had become pretty friendly. He had left the Blue ( Navy ) side and gonna over to the Green ( Marine ) side. I think he did it because he loved dressing in Cammie's -The camouflage fatigues. He loved being with the Marines and wore that Uniform proudly. Every time they needed an extra Dentist he dragged me out top the field to help out. I was glad to go of course. He was always the life of the party and always had a joke to tell. I don't think there were to many Dentist's in the Navy Medical Corp that didn't know him. No matter were I went Navy or Marines, they all knew and liked Mike. He was from Brooklyn NY, and well he was Brooklyn. Last time I saw him he had a shiner, seems he forgot to duck outside a bar in that Borough, but that was Mike. The Navy is gonna miss him, The country is going to miss him, and I am going to miss him.
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DistantThunder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:27pm |
For those of you experiencing beautiful weather - there will be a tax on that, too.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:28pm |
re: #321 loppyd
You ever watch Dave Chapelle?
Best.skits.ever.
Cocaine is a powahful drug.
/Except Player Hater Science Fair!
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:30pm |
Has TOTUS rescued our hostage yet?
/rhetorical question
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:52pm |
re: #314 Sharmuta
I fired one off to her this afternoon. Macaroni and cheese.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:04:57pm |
re: #289 reine.de.tout
I went today too.
Big mistake.
Did this become clear when you pulled into the parking lot? Or when you entered the store and saw the lines the back of the joint?
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:05:20pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:05pm |
re: #325 Nevergiveup
May he rest in peace. {Nevergiveup}
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:22pm |
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Kosh's Shadow Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:29pm |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:51pm |
re: #333 wrenchwench
May he rest in peace. {Nevergiveup}
He is really the first close friend of mine who has died. He was only 40.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:06:56pm |
re: #313 So?
About the Somali pirates. I just had a thought. They want $2 million dollars right?
So give them a few suitcases full of well counterfeited money. I'm sure they don't have a counterfeit expert aboard. Once they release the American Captain, the US opens fire and sends them all to the bottom of the ocean.With a big banner: DON'T FUCK WITH US!
Give 2 million in real currency, and still sink 'em.
Message, we'll kill you all, screw the cost.
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alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:07:31pm |
re: #325 Nevergiveup
* * **
Naval Dentist, sorry for your loss(es). Thank you for sharing these special people's story.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:07:39pm |
re: #336 Nevergiveup
He is really the first close friend of mine who has died. He was only 40.
lucky you...all but one of my high school buddies are dead...long gone
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Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:07:58pm |
re: #330 BlueCanuck
I fired one off to her this afternoon. Macaroni and cheese.
Cool! I still have a couple more to go besides the one I'm trying tonight. Can't decide if I should submit the family Spaghetti sauce. I asked my cousin for input, Grandpa already submitted it to a church cookbook, but it feels too much like our little family thing, so I don't know what to do.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:02pm |
Did I say hostage?
/damn, I take a nap and TOTUS loses 16 more
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:20pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:50pm |
I have a recipe for a reverse peanut butter sandwich. I put the peanut butter on the opposite side of the bread. It's the kind of meal that sticks to your outsides.........
:)
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:08:52pm |
re: #263 opnion
Yeah & rescuing one is a great idea. Mutts can be some of the best dogs & seem to have less health issues.
The shelter where I volunteer has several nice purebred dogs, the kind you would spend $400-500 to buy on the market. Labs, Rottys, Jack Russells, and the like. People have been losing their houses, and they abandon the pets.
Breaks my heart, really.
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:09:43pm |
re: #332 albusteve
maybe the pirates have that scenario covered...jus sayin
How? They're going to send it inland for inspection. Even if they do, you give them the most sophisticated counterfeit money that would be hard to detect. In fact, the US should agree to pay off the ransoms of all the ships seized over the last week. A goodwill gesture on behalf of Obama to his muslim brethren. Then destroy them all. But he wouldn't have the balls.
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debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:09:58pm |
re: #88 callahan23
Ouch, where would your karma-to-comments ratio go?
Replaced with useless carbon credits.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:10:01pm |
re: #326 DistantThunder
For those of you experiencing beautiful weather - there will be a tax on that, too.
I am screwed then.....from Sept to May, it's nice here just about everyday
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wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:10:14pm |
re: #336 Nevergiveup
He is really the first close friend of mine who has died. He was only 40.
No wonder it is such a shock!
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So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:10:27pm |
re: #337 JCM
Give 2 million in real currency, and still sink 'em.
Message, we'll kill you all, screw the cost.
Either way. So why don't they do it?
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:10:37pm |
re: #337 JCM
Give 2 million in real currency, and still sink 'em.
Message, we'll kill you all, screw the cost.
I'd pay them in 2 million dollars worth of hot lead.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:11:04pm |
re: #320 JCM
Is the Navy going to Mirandize these scurvy fucks or kill them?
Fantasy Island scenario: Beam Obambi up, outfit him in camo and boots, beam him down onto the Bainbridge's bridge, tell him (via a Cosmic Voice) "DEAL WITH IT", then sit back and watch his reaction.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:11:24pm |
re: #314 Sharmuta
I'm trying a new recipe tonight, and if it works out, I'll be submitting it to the LGF Cookbook which is still seeking recipes from the Lizards!
Don't forget Reine is also looking for gardening tips, as well as canning, pickling, and jam making tips.
Please - submit recipes and other stuff, or SHARMUTA WILL KEEP YELLING AT YOU.
| 357 |
So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:11:39pm |
Maybe Shillary should send in Dr. Phil to negotiate. And have it televised live. That should do it.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:11:43pm |
my only regret would be that any smoking hole in the ocean would be (a) short-lived and (b) the inevitable damage to teh sea kittehs.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:12pm |
re: #347 So?
How? They're going to send it inland for inspection. Even if they do, you give them the most sophisticated counterfeit money that would be hard to detect. In fact, the US should agree to pay off the ransoms of all the ships seized over the last week. A goodwill gesture on behalf of Obama to his muslim brethren. Then destroy them all. But he wouldn't have the balls.
it's not the money, it's the getaway...they are not gonna let themselves get blown away after the fact...there are scores of other hostages to be concerned about....the use of firepower is a dead end now...pay them and let them go...until the end
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:33pm |
re: #357 So?
Maybe Shillary should send in Dr. Phil to negotiate. And have it televised live. That should do it.
Obama should ask Oprah to build them a school.
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:45pm |
re: #325 Nevergiveup
Sorry for your loss. As for dying in your sleep, all I can say is, there are lots of worse ways to go. God bless that good man, and his desire to help out in the effort.
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SixDegrees Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:50pm |
Obama is giving the commencement address at ASU. And graduating students are scalping their tickets.
Capitalism thrives.
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:53pm |
re: #343 opnion
Just a little. What I have seen is really funny.
He does Rick James better than Rick James...
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:12:58pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Cool! I still have a couple more to go besides the one I'm trying tonight. Can't decide if I should submit the family Spaghetti sauce. I asked my cousin for input, Grandpa already submitted it to a church cookbook, but it feels too much like our little family thing, so I don't know what to do.
Do you name these recipes? When you submit it....(example) Is it Sharmuta's marinara sauce?
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:13:08pm |
re: #346 rawmuse
The shelter where I volunteer has several nice purebred dogs, the kind you would spend $400-500 to buy on the market. Labs, Rottys, Jack Russells, and the like. People have been losing their houses, and they abandon the pets.
Breaks my heart, really.
That is a bummer, even the pets are suffering.
I do not want to hear from BHO or Geitner that we need to lower our expectations, I want a strong economy back.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:13:14pm |
re: #319 LGoPs
I plan on getting pickled tonight......but I guess that's not the kind you are referring to?
:)
If you have a recipe for whatever it is you plan to get pickled on - sure, we'll take it!
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callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:13:40pm |
re: #325 Nevergiveup
I am so sorry to hear of your loss. - So young. - Best wishes {Nevergiveup} and to his family.
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Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:13:43pm |
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:00pm |
Trade the captain for Helen Thomas.
No....wait a minute. No reason to get uncivilized about this....
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:03pm |
I have a pretty great and easy Key Lime Pie recipe. Would that work?
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loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:07pm |
re: #327 OldLineTexan
Best.skits.ever.
Cocaine is a powahful drug.
/Except Player Hater Science Fair!
Charlie Murphaaaaay!
| 372 |
So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:07pm |
re: #359 albusteve
it's not the money, it's the getaway...they are not gonna let themselves get blown away after the fact...there are scores of other hostages to be concerned about....the use of firepower is a dead end now...pay them and let them go...until the end
so you pay for all the hostages...let these somali scum flee to shore , then kaboom
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alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:21pm |
Maybe I've missed the democrats' demanding action to save Capt. Phillips' life.
When it's a matter of providing sanctuary cities, citizenship, and lots of bennies to complete aliens, Democrats are out there leading the protests and demanding your tax dollars.
When it's an honorable brave self-sacrificing American hero who needs help in the face of CERTAIN death, FUGGEDABOUDIT.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:21pm |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Please - submit recipes and other stuff, or SHARMUTA WILL KEEP YELLING AT YOU.
*whimper/cring* ... I thought I had a quick and easy recipe for a sausage&beans crockpot dish ... ARRRGGHH ... BUT I CAN'T FIND IT!
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:28pm |
re: #369 LGoPs
Trade the captain for Helen Thomas.
No....wait a minute. No reason to get uncivilized about this....
hahaha!...oooff
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BlueCanuck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:35pm |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Please - submit recipes and other stuff, or SHARMUTA WILL KEEP YELLING AT YOU.
/hunts furiously......
//I know I have another one rambling around in my gray matter, where did I file it again?
| 377 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:14:56pm |
re: #331 loppyd
Did this become clear when you pulled into the parking lot? Or when you entered the store and saw the lines the back of the joint?
I knew as soon as I turned into the parking lot.
But silly me - I went into the store anyhow.
I ended up very carefully getting the exact maximum number of items that would let me get into the "express" line.
Which means I'll have to go back in a day or two. But no way I was going to stand in the longer lines.
| 378 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:05pm |
| 379 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:17pm |
re: #355 reine.de.tout
Please - submit recipes and other stuff, or SHARMUTA WILL KEEP YELLING AT YOU.
Plese see my question at 364
| 380 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:22pm |
A couple weeks ago someone I know made mock apple pie. It was ok but somehow I'd be more interested in a mock Ritz Cracker pie.........
| 381 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:23pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Cool! I still have a couple more to go besides the one I'm trying tonight. Can't decide if I should submit the family Spaghetti sauce. I asked my cousin for input, Grandpa already submitted it to a church cookbook, but it feels too much like our little family thing, so I don't know what to do.
What is the secret ingredient?
| 382 |
So? Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:29pm |
re: #360 OldLineTexan
Obama should ask Oprah to build them a school.
The way negotiations are going, they'll need a school to educate the children and children's children
| 383 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:30pm |
re: #364 NYCHardhat
Do you name these recipes? When you submit it....(example) Is it Sharmuta's marinara sauce?
It needs a theme name:
Quick Gazan rooster with honco dumplings (that's mine)
taqqiyas with hot sauce
Hillary's hot left wings
Barry's Special Brownies
Offspring of apes and pigs in a blanket
| 384 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:15:32pm |
re: #374 pre-Boomer Marine brat
*whimper/cring* ... I thought I had a quick and easy recipe for a sausage&beans crockpot dish ... ARRRGGHH ... BUT I CAN'T FIND IT!
you have time!
Calm down - look around - think hard.
It'll come to you.
| 385 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:16:00pm |
re: #362 SixDegrees
Obama is giving the commencement address at ASU. And graduating students are scalping their tickets.
Capitalism thrives.
* * * *
Yes, there's a sucker born every minute.
| 386 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:16:22pm |
re: #341 Sharmuta
Cool! I still have a couple more to go besides the one I'm trying tonight. Can't decide if I should submit the family Spaghetti sauce. I asked my cousin for input, Grandpa already submitted it to a church cookbook, but it feels too much like our little family thing, so I don't know what to do.
Oh, send it in!
And name it for Grandpa.
| 387 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:16:30pm |
re: #383 OldLineTexan
It needs a theme name:
Quick Gazan rooster with honco dumplings (that's mine)
taqqiyas with hot sauce
Hillary's hot left wings
Barry's Special Brownies
Offspring of apes and pigs in a blanket
politically themed? Does "NYCHardhat's gubment cheesecake" work?
| 388 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:16:41pm |
re: #372 So?
so you pay for all the hostages...let these somali scum flee to shore , then kaboom
pretty much...not pay for all the hostages, just our American guy...we know where the pirates are...they aren't going anywhere....all that is moot tho with BO the Pirate Lover in charge...they will get off
| 390 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:16:52pm |
re: #364 NYCHardhat
I've just named them what they're called. IF I submit the sauce, it will be called Great-Grandma's Spaghetti Sauce, because that's where it originated. Otherwise, no- I don't add my name to the recipe because Reine already credits the Lizard who submitted the recipe.
| 391 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:17:32pm |
re: #381 debutaunt
What is the secret ingredient?
See! This is why I hesitate to submit it. You would all know the secret ingredient!
| 392 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:17:50pm |
re: #390 Sharmuta
I've just named them what they're called. IF I submit the sauce, it will be called Great-Grandma's Spaghetti Sauce, because that's where it originated. Otherwise, no- I don't add my name to the recipe because Reine already credits the Lizard who submitted the recipe.
thank you. see my name for my cheesecake at 387. What do you think?
| 393 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:17:51pm |
re: #387 NYCHardhat
politically themed? Does "NYCHardhat's gubment cheesecake" work?
I'll have 90% of it. Now, please.
/
| 394 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:17:54pm |
re: #384 reine.de.tout
you have time!
Calm down - look around - think hard.
It'll come to you.
BTW, was it you who lost a set of rings?
If so, did you find it/them?
| 395 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:16pm |
re: #364 NYCHardhat
Do you name these recipes? When you submit it....(example) Is it Sharmuta's marinara sauce?
Not required, but it would be great if you would!
Particularly if you can be creative with the economizing theme, or any name that reflects threads here at LGF.
| 396 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:27pm |
re: #377 reine.de.tout
I knew as soon as I turned into the parking lot.
But silly me - I went into the store anyhow.
I ended up very carefully getting the exact maximum number of items that would let me get into the "express" line.Which means I'll have to go back in a day or two. But no way I was going to stand in the longer lines.
GMTA - I did the same thing! Got the bare minimum and then headed to a smaller specialty store that I really don't need an excuse to go to, but this was a good one!
| 397 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:28pm |
re: #389 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Off the coast of Morocco?!
WTF!
Foreign policy is in good hands.
Calm down.
*hysterical laughter*
| 398 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:45pm |
re: #388 albusteve
BO the Pirate Lover in charge...they will get off
stop it youre killing me with mental imagery
| 399 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:18:57pm |
re: #383 OldLineTexan
It needs a theme name:
Quick Gazan rooster with honco dumplings (that's mine)
taqqiyas with hot sauce
Hillary's hot left wings
Barry's Special Brownies
Offspring of apes and pigs in a blanket
You're good at this!
I'm gonna send you the recipes that are sent in without names, and you can give 'em names.
| 400 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:20:08pm |
re: #395 reine.de.tout
Not required, but it would be great if you would!
Particularly if you can be creative with the economizing theme, or any name that reflects threads here at LGF.
Do you REALLY want a recipe for buttocks?
/or boobs?
/or ... ... ... *slapping hand over a tender part of my anatomy*
| 401 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:20:17pm |
re: #390 Sharmuta
I've just named them what they're called. IF I submit the sauce, it will be called Great-Grandma's Spaghetti Sauce, because that's where it originated. Otherwise, no- I don't add my name to the recipe because Reine already credits the Lizard who submitted the recipe.
I told you a cookbook would be fun...now there is a second one!...
| 402 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:20:43pm |
| 403 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:21:16pm |
| 404 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:22:08pm |
re: #388 albusteve
pretty much...not pay for all the hostages, just our American guy...we know where the pirates are...they aren't going anywhere....all that is moot tho with BO the Pirate Lover in charge...they will get off
Sadly, I think that you are right. BHO will view them as troubled yoots that have been held down by the man.
He will want a resolution to the immediate situation, but I doubt if he will do anything to eradicate the central problem. Hope I'm wrong.
| 405 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:22:10pm |
re: #392 NYCHardhat
thank you. see my name for my cheesecake at 387. What do you think?
I think it's probably not as good as my chocolate cheesecake recipe on Volume 1.
;p
| 406 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:22:12pm |
re: #397 JCM
Foreign policy is in good hands.
Calm down.
*hysterical laughter*
That makes two of us.
Seriously, did we ever have a problem with MORROCO regarding sea pirates? Land "pirates", yeah, but I don't recall the other kind.
| 407 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:22:32pm |
re: #405 Sharmuta
I think it's probably not as good as my chocolate cheesecake recipe on Volume 1.
;p
Ohhhhhhhhhh! its war honey!
| 408 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:09pm |
re: #394 pre-Boomer Marine brat
BTW, was it you who lost a set of rings?
If so, did you find it/them?
It was my mom's engagement and wedding ring.
No, I have not found them, and I'm still sick about it.
I believe what I did was slip them off my finger, and then on the way to put them up, there was a napkin or something that I picked up and threw away and, well . . . by the time I realized the rings were gone, that trash had been taken out and picked up.
Insurance says I do not have coverage for "mysterious disappearances". Just theft. But they weren't stolen, so . . .
| 409 |
SixDegrees Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:10pm |
re: #313 So?
About the Somali pirates. I just had a thought. They want $2 million dollars right?
So give them a few suitcases full of well counterfeited money. I'm sure they don't have a counterfeit expert aboard. Once they release the American Captain, the US opens fire and sends them all to the bottom of the ocean.With a big banner: DON'T FUCK WITH US!
It's unlikely they're that dumb. First, they have banks in Somalia, believe it or not. Ransoms are typically paid through wire transfers, not with suitcases full of money. More importantly, however, they're not going to trade off said suitcase for the captain in the middle of the ocean. You can be certain that Phillips will be going along with them somewhere inland, where he'll be left once the money transfer is confirmed.
That's the way it's been done in the past.
None of this poses a real concern. The whole region is currently crawling with surveillance equipment of all descriptions. Watching the pirate's movements will reveal all sorts of interesting things about their facilities and capabilities.
We can go in with guns blazing, make a few rednecks back home real happy, and solve nothing. Or, we can be patient and solve the problem permanently. I'm favoring the latter.
| 410 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:20pm |
re: #391 Sharmuta
See! This is why I hesitate to submit it. You would all know the secret ingredient!
Tell us then kill us.
Simple.
| 411 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:42pm |
Good afternoon everyone!
I was just reading this rather disturbing story...I had no idea the Philippines performed actual crucifixions in celebration of Easter. A bit extreme, would you not agree?
[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]
| 412 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:55pm |
re: #408 reine.de.tout
It was my mom's engagement and wedding ring.
No, I have not found them, and I'm still sick about it.I believe what I did was slip them off my finger, and then on the way to put them up, there was a napkin or something that I picked up and threw away and, well . . . by the time I realized the rings were gone, that trash had been taken out and picked up.
Insurance says I do not have coverage for "mysterious disappearances". Just theft. But they weren't stolen, so . . .
RATS!
*condolences*
| 413 |
The Other Les Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:23:58pm |
Thought for the Day:
Anyone who believes that they're perfect isn't paying attention.
| 414 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:24:33pm |
You have got to be kidding me.
ASU Faculty Receive Threats for denying their savior an honorary degree
| 415 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:25:01pm |
re: #396 loppyd
GMTA - I did the same thing! Got the bare minimum and then headed to a smaller specialty store that I really don't need an excuse to go to, but this was a good one!
That's a little trick I learned when my daughter was a baby.
It was easier to go a couple of times a week and get out of there in the "express" line, than it was to load up and wait in the slow lines, and then have to unload a large batch of groceries.
| 416 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:25:01pm |
re: #404 opnion
Sadly, I think that you are right. BHO will view them as troubled yoots that have been held down by the man.
He will want a resolution to the immediate situation, but I doubt if he will do anything to eradicate the central problem. Hope I'm wrong.
they are victims of color...connect the dots
| 417 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:25:45pm |
Beans are EZ!
Crockpot Beans:
1 lb beans
1 onion, diced
heaping tablespoon minced garlic
sausage OR hambone OR hocks OR bacon OR salt pork (I am into hocks lately)
chopped celery (optional)
sliced carrots (optional)
salt (to taste)(reserved)
pepper (to taste)
Sort beans in a large bowl because dirt tastes bad. Rinse thoroughly. Cover with water and allow to soak overnight. Six to eight hours in advance of mealtime, drain beans and add to crockpot along with all other ingredients EXCEPT SALT. Add sufficient water to cover and stir. Start crockpot with appropriate time and wait.
Note: I prefer LOW, but HIGH is usually OK.
Further note: Some beans are tougher than others, so watch your cooktimes unless you like thick gravy (sign me up for that, except with pintos and the like).
| 419 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:26:41pm |
re: #412 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Thanks!
I really am sick about it.
| 420 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:04pm |
re: #411 CapeCoddah
Good afternoon everyone!
I was just reading this rather disturbing story...I had no idea the Philippines performed actual crucifixions in celebration of Easter. A bit extreme, would you not agree?
[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]
it's a cultural thing...they are deep in...I have no problem with it
| 421 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:08pm |
| 422 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:29pm |
re: #418 OldLineTexan
Gotta get 'em organized a little bit.
I'll send an e-mail later and will give you a heads up here.
That would be great!
| 423 |
callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:43pm |
re: #406 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That makes two of us.
Seriously, did we ever have a problem with MORROCO regarding sea pirates? Land "pirates", yeah, but I don't recall the other kind.
And it seems that bloke to her left is a Moroccan official who is as clueless of his own countries history as the Hillary is.
Reminds me of a supposedly history teacher from Tunisia in a course I was lecturing in, was as clueless as this 'official'.
| 424 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:47pm |
| 425 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:49pm |
re: #407 NYCHardhat
Ohhhhhhhhhh! its war honey!
The only way you could judge my cheesecake would be to make it. Do you have a copy of Volume 1?
| 426 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:52pm |
re: #411 CapeCoddah
Good afternoon everyone!
I was just reading this rather disturbing story...I had no idea the Philippines performed actual crucifixions in celebration of Easter. A bit extreme, would you not agree?
[Link: www.abs-cbnnews.com...]
My wife is from Pampanga, Philippines, not far from this place and has actually witnessed this spectacle. That is taking it to the extreme for sure. They have a procession to the "mount" where these guys flail themselves. Then the other guys carry the cross and they literally get nailed to the cross.
| 427 |
Stonemason Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:54pm |
re: #409 SixDegrees
The same way Carter solved the problem in '79?
Reagan in '83?
Bush in '91?
Clinton in (take your pick)
Bush in '01?
I for one am not holding my breath, I was 13 in 1979, I didn't understand, I was 17 in 1983 and was so pissed at Mr. Reagan that I was writing in my high school english journal about it, I still have that journal.
Bullies respond to force, nothing else, never have, never will.
| 428 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:27:59pm |
re: #417 OldLineTexan
OK, I just grabbed that one.
| 430 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:28:23pm |
Geez, pay the pirates what they want and be done with it.
/they earned it and it's worth every penny if they'll just promise to stop humiliating us
| 431 |
wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:10pm |
re: #417 OldLineTexan
Beans are EZ!
Crockpot Beans:
1 lb beans
1 onion, diced
heaping tablespoon minced garlic
sausage OR hambone OR hocks OR bacon OR salt pork (I am into hocks lately)
chopped celery (optional)
sliced carrots (optional)
salt (to taste)(reserved)
pepper (to taste)Sort beans in a large bowl because dirt tastes bad. Rinse thoroughly. Cover with water and allow to soak overnight. Six to eight hours in advance of mealtime, drain beans and add to crockpot along with all other ingredients EXCEPT SALT. Add sufficient water to cover and stir. Start crockpot with appropriate time and wait.
Note: I prefer LOW, but HIGH is usually OK.
Further note: Some beans are tougher than others, so watch your cooktimes unless you like thick gravy (sign me up for that, except with pintos and the like).
| 432 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:13pm |
re: #430 Killian Bundy
Geez, pay the pirates what they want and be done with it.
/they earned it and it's worth every penny if they'll just promise to stop humiliating us
you got a better idea?
| 433 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:13pm |
re: #406 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That makes two of us.
Seriously, did we ever have a problem with MORROCO regarding sea pirates? Land "pirates", yeah, but I don't recall the other kind.
"to the shores of Tripoli"
Yes, we had a problem with the pirates of the Barbay Coast. After independence fron Great Britain, American ships had no protection from the world's best navy. So Thomas Jefferson had to fix it.
| 434 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:19pm |
re: #420 albusteve
I could see tying them to the cross, but actually nailing them? That is insane!
| 435 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:40pm |
re: #417 OldLineTexan
sausage OR hambone OR hocks OR bacon OR salt pork (I am into hocks lately)
It's okay. Once Obama's economic policy takes effect we'll all be in hock.
| 436 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:29:51pm |
re: #417 OldLineTexan
Beans are EZ!
Crockpot Beans:
1 lb beans
1 onion, diced
heaping tablespoon minced garlic
sausage OR hambone OR hocks OR bacon OR salt pork (I am into hocks lately)
chopped celery (optional)
sliced carrots (optional)
salt (to taste)(reserved)
pepper (to taste)Sort beans in a large bowl because dirt tastes bad. Rinse thoroughly. Cover with water and allow to soak overnight. Six to eight hours in advance of mealtime, drain beans and add to crockpot along with all other ingredients EXCEPT SALT. Add sufficient water to cover and stir. Start crockpot with appropriate time and wait.
Note: I prefer LOW, but HIGH is usually OK.
Further note: Some beans are tougher than others, so watch your cooktimes unless you like thick gravy (sign me up for that, except with pintos and the like).
sez u
| 437 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:30:03pm |
re: #434 CapeCoddah
I could see tying them to the cross, but actually nailing them? That is insane!
rubber nails...
| 438 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:30:14pm |
re: #428 reine.de.tout
OK, I just grabbed that one.
It has a goof. After beans are cooked, salt to taste. Or not. ;)
| 439 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:30:42pm |
| 440 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:30:55pm |
re: #423 callahan23
And it seems that bloke to her left is a Moroccan official who is as clueless of his own countries history as the Hillary is.
Reminds me of a supposedly history teacher from Tunisia in a course I was lecturing in, was as clueless as this 'official'.
Might the big fellow be in Morocco's Foreign Office?
*biting tongue, rolling eyes, looking away, whistling*
BTW, how are you doing today?
| 442 |
loppyd Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:13pm |
| 443 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:17pm |
OMG,
The Ten Commandments is on tv, Edward G. Robinson kissing Pharaoh's ass!
Lookout, Charlton Heston, they're out to get you!
on ABC tv
| 444 |
The Other Les Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:25pm |
Another Thought for the Day:
Good intentions never result in large body counts.
| 445 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:47pm |
| 446 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:31:52pm |
re: #438 OldLineTexan
It has a goof. After beans are cooked, salt to taste. Or not. ;)
well hell ya!...one can Beef-O-Roni, one can of salt
| 447 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:32:58pm |
re: #425 Sharmuta
The only way you could judge my cheesecake would be to make it. Do you have a copy of Volume 1?
No. I'm sure its good. I love chocolate, and I love cheesecake. So both would be amazing.
| 448 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:33:45pm |
| 449 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:34:12pm |
re: #438 OldLineTexan
It has a goof. After beans are cooked, salt to taste. Or not. ;)
No secret ingredient? Are you serious? Some pork ribs would be nice in there.
| 450 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:34:20pm |
re: #432 albusteve
you got a better idea?
Yeah, like let the SEALs do their job.
/there's something seriously wrong with someone who not only has no military experience, but loathes the military and couldn't get a security clearance in a million years being in charge of [expletive deleted] like this
| 452 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:34:50pm |
| 453 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:34:59pm |
| 454 |
callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:03pm |
re: #440 pre-Boomer Marine brat
... BTW, how are you doing today?
Better thanks, but the reality of it all starts to settle in. I am continuing with my life. New shores await me ...
| 455 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:06pm |
re: #447 NYCHardhat
No. I'm sure its good. I love chocolate, and I love cheesecake. So both would be amazing.
ORDER A COOKBOOK!
| 456 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:44pm |
| 457 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:48pm |
re: #433 OldLineTexan
"to the shores of Tripoli"
Yes, we had a problem with the pirates of the Barbay Coast. After independence fron Great Britain, American ships had no protection from the world's best navy. So Thomas Jefferson had to fix it.
I'm well aware of that, but Tripoli is a long way from present-day Morocco.
(Technically, yes, present-day Morocco can be lumped into the "Barbary Coast". My question was regarding Hillary's words, about seafaring pirates operating from what's now Morroco.)
| 458 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:50pm |
I call for Lizards to submit omelette recipes!
I love preparing omelettes, and eating them.
I guess I will just have to invent one of my own (now where's that chocolate syrup?).
| 459 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:35:55pm |
The Ten Commandments' Charlton Heston (Moses) is building the pyramids...ABC tv
Bo Derek's husband John is a stone cutter to Pharaoh....SPeaking truth to power...
| 460 |
rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:36:00pm |
re: #411 CapeCoddah
They've been doing that for a long time.
| 461 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:36:06pm |
Tiger Woods needed to close the gap today...he didn't..you can stick a fork in him now...
| 463 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:36:37pm |
The Ten Commandments on ABC TV
"Let my people go!"
| 464 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:36:57pm |
| 465 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:40pm |
re: #460 rawmuse
They've been doing that for a long time.
Why? That is so brutal, it is unimaginable that people volunteer to do it.
| 466 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:47pm |
| 467 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:49pm |
re: #459 alegrias
The Ten Commandments' Charlton Heston (Moses) is building the pyramids...ABC tv
Bo Derek's husband John is a stone cutter to Pharaoh....SPeaking truth to power...
What a glorious looking man he was.
| 468 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:50pm |
Now Fox is reporting that the pirates are not part of the Islamic movement in Somalia.
They have either reversed themselves or I misunderstood their earlier report.
This is good news if true, because it would mean that these thugs are just about the cash & don't want to die.
They should be told, "Give up the Captain & maybe we won't kill you. You have ten minutes."
| 469 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:50pm |
re: #454 callahan23
Better thanks, but the reality of it all starts to settle in. I am continuing with my life. New shores await me ...
Hang tough. It'll take awhile for the pain to go away.
| 470 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:37:52pm |
whatever happened to the mass tip jar? Did I miss it?
| 471 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:38:48pm |
re: #462 Sharmuta
Proceeds go to charity and the LGF tip jar.
What! I thought it goes to Congress?
/
| 472 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:38:49pm |
| 473 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:39:27pm |
re: #464 debutaunt
How are the sales? I like your heavy-handed sales pitch!
For the single male Lizards- it's a must have. Impress the ladies with recipes from moms & grandmas. They'll be impress.
| 474 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:39:27pm |
re: #450 Killian Bundy
Yeah, like let the SEALs do their job.
/there's something seriously wrong with someone who not only has no military experience, but loathes the military and couldn't get a security clearance in a million years being in charge of [expletive deleted] like this
how?...trying to spring the captain is full of problems now...the pirates are not stupid, I'm sure they are waiting for it...I assume they will kill him in a heartbeat...pay them off
| 475 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:39:37pm |
re: #470 Desert Dog
whatever happened to the mass tip jar? Did I miss it?
It was a poor box. I think it fell apart after awhile.
| 476 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:40:31pm |
re: #449 debutaunt
No secret ingredient? Are you serious? Some pork ribs would be nice in there.
Secret ingredient recipe mods:
Southwestern pintos - no celery, no carrots, double onions, fresh chilis (mild are best, chopped, no seeds), cayenne, and cumin powder. Add chopped cilantro near end of cooking.
Navy/great northern beans - cook with a hambone (honey ham preferred, wow!), add diced ham near end, use lots of celery and carrots.
Anasazi beans (these are worth finding) - cook like pintos but cut back on other flavors ... anasazis have a naturally "meaty" taste that you do not want to cover up.
Butterbeans (speckled butterbeans are teh BEST) - careful with the water, cook them a little longer with a few stirs to break open the beans for a thick, hearty soup.
| 477 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:40:54pm |
re: #464 debutaunt
How are the sales? I like your heavy-handed sales pitch!
The first "payment" was for $400, and that was split between LGF and Soldier's Angels.
Right now there is $100 sitting at LULU.com, and as soon as they "pay" the cookbook fund, I will split that between LGF and Soldier's Angels.
Each cookbook sold makes a $5 profit.
100 books have sold - 80 for the first cycle, and 20 since then.
I have a post up at the blog about it.
| 478 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:41:02pm |
re: #475 pre-Boomer Marine brat
It was a poor box. I think it fell apart after awhile.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I thought we were all supposed to send in donations on one day this week.....April something....to honor a certain person that happens to run this joint, no?
| 479 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:41:39pm |
AOL search : Tea Party
LGF made the 1st page of results. That's gonna piss some people off.
| 480 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:42:30pm |
| 481 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:42:45pm |
re: #476 OldLineTexan
Secret ingredient recipe mods:
Southwestern pintos - no celery, no carrots, double onions, fresh chilis (mild are best, chopped, no seeds), cayenne, and cumin powder. Add chopped cilantro near end of cooking.
Navy/great northern beans - cook with a hambone (honey ham preferred, wow!), add diced ham near end, use lots of celery and carrots.
Anasazi beans (these are worth finding) - cook like pintos but cut back on other flavors ... anasazis have a naturally "meaty" taste that you do not want to cover up.
Butterbeans (speckled butterbeans are teh BEST) - careful with the water, cook them a little longer with a few stirs to break open the beans for a thick, hearty soup.
and, judging my this menu, lots and lots of this
| 482 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:42:53pm |
re: #474 albusteve
how?...trying to spring the captain is full of problems now...the pirates are not stupid, I'm sure they are waiting for it...I assume they will kill him in a heartbeat...pay them off
/SEALs wait in the water until they open a hatch, stun grenades in, four dead terrorists in less that 30 seconds, that's what they do
| 483 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:43:34pm |
I'm going to make pickles this year for the first time. I'll be interested to see what pickling tips people come up with.
| 484 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:43:42pm |
re: #473 Sharmuta
For the single male Lizards- it's a must have. Impress the ladies with recipes from moms & grandmas. They'll be impress.
TESTIMONIAL:
I bought two copies of Volume One. There are dozens of women encamped outside my door. Last night, several tried to climb in my bedroom window.
/ ... (*wondering if I should hide under the computer desk*)
| 485 |
debutaunt Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:44:08pm |
re: #477 reine.de.tout
The first "payment" was for $400, and that was split between LGF and Soldier's Angels.
Right now there is $100 sitting at LULU.com, and as soon as they "pay" the cookbook fund, I will split that between LGF and Soldier's Angels.
Each cookbook sold makes a $5 profit.
100 books have sold - 80 for the first cycle, and 20 since then.
I have a post up at the blog about it.
It's a very entertaining cookbook!
| 486 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:44:30pm |
re: #465 CapeCoddah
Why? That is so brutal, it is unimaginable that people volunteer to do it.
* * * *
Well, consider in some cultures,
The concept of suffering as expiation for your sins is taken seriously by many people.
In the West, we say someone is a masochist who punishes themselves out of guilt.
We have consciences. Some people feel no guilt and no need for confession nor absolution from their feelings of guilt, whether real or perceived.
| 487 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:44:30pm |
re: #484 pre-Boomer Marine brat
TESTIMONIAL:
I bought two copies of Volume One. There are dozens of women encamped outside my door. Last night, several tried to climb in my bedroom window./ ... (*wondering if I should hide under the computer desk*)
Yeah, I have that problem too. I just don't have the cookbook.
| 489 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:45:25pm |
re: #483 Killgore Trout
I'm going to make pickles this year for the first time. I'll be interested to see what pickling tips people come up with.
If you do can I call you a dillweed? /
| 490 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:45:44pm |
re: #482 Killian Bundy
/SEALs wait in the water until they open a hatch, stun grenades in, four dead terrorists in less that 30 seconds, that's what they do
sounds easy...wait how long in the water?...the lifeboat has several days to go before it runs out of water...how do you get them to open the hatch?...ring the doorbell?
| 491 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:45:51pm |
re: #485 debutaunt
It's a very entertaining cookbook!
We hope to make the 2nd one just as entertaining.
| 493 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:09pm |
re: #179 Nevergiveup
[Link: www.newsoftheworld.co.uk...]
try this
what a scary looking sob.
imagine the msm feeding frenzy if sarah palin had a brother like that.
| 494 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:23pm |
re: #486 alegrias
* * * *
Well, consider in some cultures,
The concept of suffering as expiation for your sins is taken seriously by many people.In the West, we say someone is a masochist who punishes themselves out of guilt.
We have consciences. Some people feel no guilt and no need for confession nor absolution from their feelings of guilt, whether real or perceived.
One of my biggest problems with organized religions. I believe in God absolutely, but this is ridiculous.
| 495 |
wrenchwench Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:23pm |
re: #476 OldLineTexan
Butterbeans (speckled butterbeans are teh BEST) - careful with the water, cook them a little longer with a few stirs to break open the beans for a thick, hearty soup.
Then there's this Butterbean...[Warning--violence]
| 496 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:28pm |
re: #481 Desert Dog
and, judging my this menu, lots and lots of this
Beans are GOOD for you!
Eat some pineapple for dessert and enjoy Hawaiian music. ;)
HOWEVER - I am still looking for a BELIEVABLE version of an Old South cooking method known as "rolling" beans to de-gas them. Genteel Southern belles would discreetly inquire as to whether beans in a dish had been "rolled" so as to avoid embarrassment.
| 498 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:46:52pm |
re: #487 NYCHardhat
Yeah, I have that problem too. I just don't have the cookbook.
DAMN! And I spent all that money when I didn't have to!
| 499 |
Killgore Trout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:47:01pm |
re: #489 Bloodnok
You wouldn't be the first.
| 500 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:47:16pm |
re: #491 reine.de.tout
We hope to make the 2nd one just as entertaining.
Yes- SUBMIT FUNNY COMMENTS TOO, FOLKS!
| 501 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:47:18pm |
re: #483 Killgore Trout
I'm going to make pickles this year for the first time. I'll be interested to see what pickling tips people come up with.
Too bad my Mother is not a Lizard; she is an expert pickler, especially dills and bread-and-butters (I hate those!).
| 502 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:47:22pm |
| 505 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:47:51pm |
re: #498 pre-Boomer Marine brat
DAMN! And I spent all that money when I didn't have to!
Yeah. Its a tough life of an adoarble conservative.
//////
| 507 |
rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:14pm |
re: #465 CapeCoddah
Why? That is so brutal, it is unimaginable that people volunteer to do it.
To remind us of the suffering of Jesus on Good Friday.
| 508 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:32pm |
re: #501 OldLineTexan
Too bad my Mother is not a Lizard; she is an expert pickler, especially dills and bread-and-butters (I hate those!).
Have mom write them down and send them in! Can't ever have too many good pickle recipes!
| 509 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:44pm |
re: #500 Sharmuta
Yes- SUBMIT FUNNY COMMENTS TOO, FOLKS!
Who wrote the "Creationist meltdown form letter" (with multiple choice) a few weeks ago? I could kick myself for not favoriting it. That should be in there.
| 510 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:46pm |
| 511 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:48:51pm |
re: #496 OldLineTexan
Beans are GOOD for you!
Eat some pineapple for dessert and enjoy Hawaiian music. ;)
HOWEVER - I am still looking for a BELIEVABLE version of an Old South cooking method known as "rolling" beans to de-gas them. Genteel Southern belles would discreetly inquire as to whether beans in a dish had been "rolled" so as to avoid embarrassment.
I think my sons and I prefer the non rolled then.....competition is tough here for the "champion" of the house
| 512 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:49:04pm |
re: #507 rawmuse
To remind us of the suffering of Jesus on Good Friday.
LOL, I got that. A bit extreme.
| 513 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:49:22pm |
re: #493 nyc redneck
what a scary looking sob.
imagine the msm feeding frenzy if sarah palin had a brother like that.
Palin's daughter's situation and her boyfriend are nowhere NEAR that awful, and look at the feeding frenzy over that.
| 514 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:49:58pm |
re: #490 albusteve
sounds easy...wait how long in the water?...the lifeboat has several days to go before it runs out of water...how do you get them to open the hatch?...ring the doorbell?
I guess you missed the part where the pirates repelled a surface attack earlier today.
/whoever's brilliant idea that was
| 515 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:50:00pm |
re: #483 Killgore Trout
I'm going to make pickles this year for the first time. I'll be interested to see what pickling tips people come up with.
Oh, and growing dill is too easy ... it is the zucchini of herbs.
| 517 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:51:01pm |
re: #509 Bloodnok
Who wrote the "Creationist meltdown form letter" (with multiple choice) a few weeks ago? I could kick myself for not favoriting it. That should be in there.
It was Zimriel, and I did stick it in my favorites. Here's your chance.
I'm going to send it to Reine right now.
| 519 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:04pm |
re: #514 Killian Bundy
I guess you missed the part where the pirates repelled a surface attack earlier today.
/whoever's brilliant idea that was
did not return fire
IIRC, that is one of our new-fangled warmaking tricks since Viet Nam.
| 520 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:17pm |
re: #516 wrenchwench
Later, lizards.
later wench.........
Arrrrrrr...divide up the wenches. Shiver me timbers......Arrrrrrr
:)
| 521 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:35pm |
re: #507 rawmuse
To remind us of the suffering of Jesus on Good Friday.
They are VERY Catholic in the Philippines. It is old school and hardline. They inherited a very strict version from the Spanish governors. It is infused with the local cultures as well. There is a beautiful Easter ceremony here with the Yaqui Indians that live near Phoenix. They have a dance that shows the passion, but in native costume and music. Nobody gets nailed to the cross though. However, they do "kill" the devil.
| 522 |
axegrinder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:52pm |
re: #514 Killian Bundy
I guess you missed the part where the pirates repelled a surface attack earlier today.
/whoever's brilliant idea that was
Probably hostage negotiation strategy. Keep the terrorist's already frayed nerves agitated. Hopefully they are losing sleep.
| 523 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:57pm |
re: #501 OldLineTexan
Too bad my Mother is not a Lizard; she is an expert pickler, especially dills and bread-and-butters (I hate those!).
Well -
Are you in contact with your Mom?
Can she write them down?
Good grief, man - can't you figure this out?
| 524 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:52:59pm |
re: #476 OldLineTexan
Secret ingredient recipe mods:
Southwestern pintos - no celery, no carrots, double onions, fresh chilis (mild are best, chopped, no seeds), cayenne, and cumin powder. Add chopped cilantro near end of cooking.
Navy/great northern beans - cook with a hambone (honey ham preferred, wow!), add diced ham near end, use lots of celery and carrots.
Anasazi beans (these are worth finding) - cook like pintos but cut back on other flavors ... anasazis have a naturally "meaty" taste that you do not want to cover up.
Butterbeans (speckled butterbeans are teh BEST) - careful with the water, cook them a little longer with a few stirs to break open the beans for a thick, hearty soup.
i love beans. comfort food. always affordable even when you're down on your
luck. and they're great for camping trips. (also nutritious)
| 525 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:53:46pm |
re: #523 reine.de.tout
Well -
Are you in contact with your Mom?
Can she write them down?
Good grief, man - can't you figure this out?
LOL, OK, OK!
/please don't have Sharm yell at me
| 526 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:53:48pm |
re: #474 albusteve
how?...trying to spring the captain is full of problems now...the pirates are not stupid, I'm sure they are waiting for it...I assume they will kill him in a heartbeat...pay them off
The captain is one hostage, the pirates have a bunch more scattered around.
The pirates as you say aren't stupid, they won't give up all the hostages at once. Because they know what would follow.
At some point rescue ops will be required, whether for Capt. Phillips or other hostages.
We can't let the pirates dictate our response, or the time line. They'll just keep adding to the hostage total if we wait too long.
The other larger looming issue over all this is the Thugs of World are watching. They are gauging the response.
It will be disastrous to let the pirates drive the sequence of events. There is much, much more at stake than the life of Capt. Phillips and the rest of the hostages.
If this situation is dealt with in a manner perceived as weak by all those eyes watching, down the road it might be Anchorage, or Tel Aviv thats held hostage. A weak response will put far more people in danger than those held by the pirates.
| 527 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:54:14pm |
re: #518 Bloodnok
I love that we can favorite comments now. I have a "lmao" section, and sometimes it's great to go back and read some of those.
| 528 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:54:14pm |
re: #524 nyc redneck
i love beans. comfort food. always affordable even when you're down on your
luck. and they're great for camping trips. (also nutritious)
My hiking food! Red beans and rice.
| 529 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:54:39pm |
re: #514 Killian Bundy
I guess you missed the part where the pirates repelled a surface attack earlier today.
/whoever's brilliant idea that was
I read that but there was no explanation for it...were they trying to storm the lifeboat or what?...sounds kind of micky mouse to me...that captains life means everything to me...I have no solutions except pay them and then fix it after the fact
| 530 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:55:01pm |
re: #524 nyc redneck
i love beans. comfort food. always affordable even when you're down on your
luck. and they're great for camping trips. (also nutritious)
Oh, and ANY bean recipe in teh world can evolve into a new creature with a can of Ro-Tel tomatoes and a short simmer on the stove.
| 531 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:55:32pm |
re: #524 nyc redneck
i love beans. comfort food. always affordable even when you're down on your
luck. and they're great for camping trips. (also nutritious)
I love beans too.
| 532 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:55:51pm |
re: #522 axegrinder
Probably hostage negotiation strategy. Keep the terrorist's already frayed nerves agitated. Hopefully they are losing sleep.
/the point is they couldn't have fired at our sailors without opening a hatch on the lifeboat, that should have been the last thing they ever did
| 533 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:56:19pm |
re: #528 CapeCoddah
My hiking food! Red beans and rice.
OK, now I have to send in my complex and delicious red beans and rice recipe.
That is a LOT of typing.
The things I do for y'all.
/
| 534 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:56:39pm |
re: #533 OldLineTexan
OK, now I have to send in my complex and delicious red beans and rice recipe.
That is a LOT of typing.
The things I do for y'all.
/
Oh, gotta have it!
| 535 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:56:54pm |
re: #531 NYCHardhat
I love beans too.
[Video]
Growing up, we had a poem about beans:
Beans, beans the wonderful fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.
| 536 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:57:18pm |
| 537 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:57:22pm |
Are you classified as human?
"Negative - I am a meat popsicle"
- Korben Dallas
| 538 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:57:33pm |
re: #533 OldLineTexan
OK, now I have to send in my complex and delicious red beans and rice recipe.
That is a LOT of typing.
The things I do for y'all.
/
and don't forget mom's bread and butters... I love those!
| 539 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:57:48pm |
re: #526 JCM
I've said all that days ago...the window has closed for the captain... I keep having to make a distinction between now and later...we have to get that guy back no matter what...i don't give a shit what it cost...after that we all agree what needs to be done
| 540 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:57:50pm |
re: #535 reine.de.tout
Growing up, we had a poem about beans:
Beans, beans the wonderful fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.
Beans, beans, the musical fruit
The more you eat, the more you toot
The more you toot, the better you feel
So let's have beans at EVERY meal
/
| 541 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:58:10pm |
re: #535 reine.de.tout
Growing up, we had a poem about beans:
Beans, beans the wonderful fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.
another version:
beans, beans they're good for your heart
the more you eat,...
you get my point
| 542 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:58:26pm |
re: #527 Sharmuta
I love that we can favorite comments now. I have a "lmao" section, and sometimes it's great to go back and read some of those.
I didn't notice the tags feature! Cool. Mine are split between "LMAO" and "Links to look at later or they'll get me fired".
| 543 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:58:35pm |
re: #528 CapeCoddah
My hiking food! Red beans and rice.
Red beans and rice are traditionally served on MONDAYS in Louisiana.
Mondays were "wash days", and it was easy to put on a pot of red beans that needed no tending while you spent hours washing clothes.
| 544 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:59:18pm |
re: #540 OldLineTexan
Beans, beans, the musical fruit
The more you eat, the more you toot
The more you toot, the better you feel
So let's have beans at EVERY meal/
YES.
That's it.
I couldn't recall the whole thing.
It was mostly my brothers who just looooooooooved to sing that.
| 545 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:59:21pm |
re: #543 reine.de.tout
Red beans and rice are traditionally served on MONDAYS in Louisiana.
Mondays were "wash days", and it was easy to put on a pot of red beans that needed no tending while you spent hours washing clothes.
I love dirty rice with shrimp, too!
| 546 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 4:59:57pm |
re: #542 Bloodnok
I didn't notice the tags feature! Cool. Mine are split between "LMAO" and "Links to look at later or they'll get me fired".
I was just perusing, and remembered this- the funniest typo ever.
| 547 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:00:04pm |
| 548 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:00:27pm |
Also, a New Orleans lizard needs to send a Shrimp entoufee recipe... please!
| 549 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:04pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
I was just perusing, and remembered this- the funniest typo ever.
With Mandy you never really know for sure.
| 550 |
callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:17pm |
re: #537 Racer X
Are you classified as human?
"Negative - I am a meat popsicle"
- Korben Dallas
Yeah great. 'The Fifth Element' with Bruce Willis as 'Korben Dallas'
| 551 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:22pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
I was just perusing, and remembered this- the funniest typo ever.
Calling Dr. Freud, Calling Dr. Freud, it appears we have a slip
| 552 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:27pm |
re: #547 reine.de.tout
Who doesn't?
Well, maybe Walter.
The shrimp quality in Colorado would be questionable, my guess.
| 553 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:42pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
I was just perusing, and remembered this- the funniest typo ever.
LMAO!
I don't think Mandy made a typo.
| 554 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:49pm |
re: #548 CapeCoddah
Also, a New Orleans lizard needs to send a Shrimp entoufee recipe... please!
OK, I'll make sure one gets in there!
| 555 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:01:59pm |
re: #546 Sharmuta
I was just perusing, and remembered this- the funniest typo ever.
lololol poor mandy!
| 556 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:02:01pm |
re: #552 CapeCoddah
The shrimp quality in Colorado would be questionable, my guess.
The Rocky Mountain Oysters are plentiful though
| 557 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:02:03pm |
Oh, and how long can SEALs stay in the water?
/is that a rhetorical question?
| 558 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:02:43pm |
re: #539 albusteve
I've said all that days ago...the window has closed for the captain... I keep having to make a distinction between now and later...we have to get that guy back no matter what...i don't give a shit what it cost...after that we all agree what needs to be done
The whole thing about the FBI, the hostage negotiator, making the ship a crime scene does not bode well. For the short term outcome, or the long term ramifications.
| 559 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:03:04pm |
re: #557 Killian Bundy
Oh, and how long can SEALs stay in the water?
/is that a rhetorical question?
no
| 560 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:03:22pm |
re: #556 Desert Dog
The Rocky Mountain Oysters are plentiful though
Thanks, I will pass.... I think I will stick with Wellfleet oysters!
| 561 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:03:36pm |
| 563 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:04:16pm |
re: #557 Killian Bundy
Oh, and how long can SEALs stay in the water?
/is that a rhetorical question?
A long time. Water should be pretty warm off of Somalia.
| 564 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:04:24pm |
| 565 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:04:26pm |
| 566 |
pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:04:44pm |
re: #551 Desert Dog
Calling Dr. Freud, Calling Dr. Freud, it appears we have a slip
I'm here, I'm here! ...but only to give Old Line Texan his gas-less bean instructions for rolling.
The secret is to boil the beans before soaking them overnight. That's it - that's the secret to gas-less bean dishes. It works with all types of beans. Get a big pot of water to a rolling boil. Add a pound of beans and let the water/beans begin to boil again. Boil for 3 minutes. While their boiling you'll notice a white foam build up on the surface of the water and then mysteriously disappear. The ingredient in beans which causes the gas in humans is water soluble. This means it just disappears in water. It appears as a bubbly white foam (it is a gas) then just goes away. When this gas is released during the boiling process, there is no odor (not like you'd have if you decide to skip this step). Now after 3 minutes of boiling remove from the heat and transfer to a bowl or large Tupperware container and let them soak in the refrigerator for 6 - 8 hours. Make sure the beans are completely covered with water. They'll soak up some of the water and expand.
/that's what my grandma did
/Reine, do NOT yell at me, I am getting back to work!
/I think Mandy really meant 'erection' ;-)
| 567 |
axegrinder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:05:16pm |
re: #532 Killian Bundy
/the point is they couldn't have fired at our sailors without opening a hatch on the lifeboat, that should have been the last thing they ever did
Must smell pretty bad in that lifeboat by now. I'd drop some pork flavored water and some bacon down to them.re: #535 reine.de.tout
Growing up, we had a poem about beans:
Beans, beans the wonderful fruit.
The more you eat, the more you toot.
That's the G version. We had the 'good for the heart' version.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:05:36pm |
re: #558 JCM
The whole thing about the FBI, the hostage negotiator, making the ship a crime scene does not bode well. For the short term outcome, or the long term ramifications.
the whole issue is a backbreaker...the US could have fixed this thing to a large degree...BO is tossing away a golden opportunity...people will die from his decisions
| 570 |
axegrinder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:06:42pm |
re: #563 JCM
A long time. Water should be pretty warm off of Somalia.
As long as they can stay hydrated; days. Dehydration is the biggest problem in prolonged water submersion. Water leeched the moisture from your body.
| 571 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:07:22pm |
| 572 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:07:24pm |
re: #513 reine.de.tout
Palin's daughter's situation and her boyfriend are nowhere NEAR that awful, and look at the feeding frenzy over that.
exactly,
there was no criminal wrong doing regarding the personal family problems the palin's were having.
but, i bet the msm completely ignores this story abt. o's brother being arrested for trying to sexually assault a young teenage girl. and then being blocked from entering britain because of the criminal charges.
why wasn't he thrown in jail?
| 573 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:07:55pm |
re: #563 JCM
A long time. Water should be pretty warm off of Somalia.
so you are talking bobbing in the water near the lifeboat?...do you think the pirates may suspect such a thing?...if it can happen I'm all for it...I want the captain back
| 574 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:08:03pm |
re: #568 albusteve
the whole issue is a backbreaker...the US could have fixed this thing to a large degree...BO is tossing away a golden opportunity...people will die from his decisions
It should have been handled a long time ago.
But we have the confluence of events, a naif in the White House, an American Flagged vessels gets taken, and the Thugs are getting uppity.
Bad, bad mojo in the air.
| 575 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:08:33pm |
re: #558 JCM
Course not. Just as the War on Terror is now going to be prosecuted as a criminal affair.
Watch and see.
| 576 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:08:49pm |
re: #573 albusteve
so you are talking bobbing in the water near the lifeboat?...do you think the pirates may suspect such a thing?...if it can happen I'm all for it...I want the captain back
Couldn't they just poke a little hole in the bottom of the boat?
Seems easy enough.
| 577 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:09:24pm |
re: #559 albusteve
no
Well several days at least.
/and it's not like they couldn't work in shifts, closed circuit diving means never having to announce your presence
| 578 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:09:32pm |
re: #542 Bloodnok
I didn't notice the tags feature! Cool. Mine are split between "LMAO" and "Links to look at later or they'll get me fired".
I'm looking through my favorites and based on what I see I think I have come up with two more categories:
1) I must have been trying to ding it up and missed.
2) The Iron Fist rule applies to favoriting too.
| 579 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:09:38pm |
re: #573 albusteve
so you are talking bobbing in the water near the lifeboat?...do you think the pirates may suspect such a thing?...if it can happen I'm all for it...I want the captain back
The pirates are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier to be taking on the US navy in a drifting motor launch. These morons cannot even swim, I doubt they have a line on the thought process of the US Navy Seals.
| 580 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:09:38pm |
re: #573 albusteve
so you are talking bobbing in the water near the lifeboat?...do you think the pirates may suspect such a thing?...if it can happen I'm all for it...I want the captain back
We need the Captain back and the scumbags either dead or scarred shitless,
| 581 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:09:39pm |
re: #574 JCM
It should have been handled a long time ago.
But we have the confluence of events, a naif in the White House, an American Flagged vessels gets taken, and the Thugs are getting uppity.
Bad, bad mojo in the air.
yes indeed bro...they have turned it on us...we can square it but that will come later...that is my position at this point
| 582 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:10:25pm |
re: #313 So?
About the Somali pirates. I just had a thought. They want $2 million dollars right?
So give them a few suitcases full of well counterfeited money.
Good idea plus, the nearest country that counterfeits US currency a lot is Iran, right near by.
| 583 |
callahan23 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:10:57pm |
Past 2 am. Need some sleep, urgently. Greetings to the good Lizards.
Later ...
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:11:52pm |
re: #583 callahan23
Past 2 am. Need some sleep, urgently. Greetings to the good Lizards.
Later ...
Good night!
| 585 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:12:16pm |
re: #580 Desert Dog
We need the Captain back and the scumbags either dead or
scarred shitless,dead.
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:12:16pm |
re: #573 albusteve
so you are talking bobbing in the water near the lifeboat?...do you think the pirates may suspect such a thing?...if it can happen I'm all for it...I want the captain back
Just below on snorkel, or more likely rebreathers (no bubbles) those have something like 6-8 hours. Teams could switch off. If they playing the game, trackers would already be on the hull, maybe even a charge to disable or destroy the boat.
However I think that all overt actions are stood down in favor of negotiations.
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:12:36pm |
re: #583 callahan23
Past 2 am. Need some sleep, urgently. Greetings to the good Lizards.
Later ...
later broseph
| 588 |
Desert Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:14:04pm |
See y'all later on....gotta get some stuff done around here
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:14:31pm |
re: #575 irongrampa
Course not. Just as the War on Terror is now going to be prosecuted as a criminal affair.
Watch and see.
It's already the Overseas Contingency Operation, and acts of terror are Manmade Disasters.
Looking down the road, there is some serious shit brewing and the Admin acting like it's a fucking community to be organized.
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:14:48pm |
| 592 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:15:20pm |
because my thing is all about the captain I get hammered with all these questions...I don't exactly know what Seals are capable of at this point...I know they can stay in the water...their stealth is legendary...can't we gun them down or force their boat with holes...fire power, stun grenades...whatever...I don't know....I want the capatain back and I don't much give a fuck about the pirates...they can take their cut and go to the Riviera...so be it....I want that captain back in one piece...what other consideration is there at this point....I assume he is bound with an AK in his face...think about that Rambo
| 593 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:15:46pm |
re: #522 axegrinder
Probably hostage negotiation strategy. Keep the terrorist's already frayed nerves agitated. Hopefully they are losing sleep.
That occurred to me also, and how much ammo did the pirates bring with them ? A few fake runs at them could waste some ammo plus drive them a little batty. You could make a frontal assault to disguise a SEAL attack too.
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axegrinder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:15:58pm |
re: #576 Wishing
Couldn't they just poke a little hole in the bottom of the boat?
Seems easy enough.
I thought this too. But it's those pesky 'rules of engagement' problems they have to deal with. Obama could order it done but since he is apparently a giant gaping pussy he won't do it. Pardon my french.
| 595 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:16:39pm |
re: #590 Racer X
Unbelievably good film. Funny as hell, perfect song parodies and uncannily accurate. Lots of "in-references" to a Beatles fanatic like me.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:16:39pm |
re: #589 JCM
It's already the Overseas Contingency Operation, and acts of terror are Manmade Disasters.
Looking down the road, there is some serious shit brewing and the Admin acting like it's a fucking community to be organized.
Four days & the President of the United States has not commented.
Unless it is a strategy to avoid giving the pirates status, I don't get it.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:16:42pm |
| 598 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:17:07pm |
Howdy, lizards, just checking in. Anything new and exciting going on? I've been to busy to check most of the threads.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:17:08pm |
re: #586 JCM
However I think that all overt actions are stood down in favor of negotiations.
I don't trust that data-less sentence in the CNN article, about sailors having been repelled. Probably our bullshit clueless press at work.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:17:30pm |
re: #596 opnion
Four days & the President of the United States has not commented.
Unless it is a strategy to avoid giving the pirates status, I don't get it.
See axegrinder's 594.
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NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:17:33pm |
re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin
Howdy, lizards, just checking in. Anything new and exciting going on? I've been to busy to check most of the threads.
Give reine a recipe for something.
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:17:46pm |
re: #594 axegrinder
I thought this too. But it's those pesky 'rules of engagement' problems they have to deal with. Obama could order it done but since he is apparently a giant gaping pussy he won't do it. Pardon my french.
Gaping is french? Who knew?
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irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:18:30pm |
On a brighter note, this morning's breakfast was 4 nice fresh Brook Trout, courtesy of a pretty little stream and just enough residual skill.
| 604 |
pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:18:38pm |
re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin
Howdy, lizards, just checking in. Anything new and exciting going on? I've been to busy to check most of the threads.
How's Mr. Pvt Bin Jammin's recuperation coming along?
| 605 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:18:40pm |
re: #602 Wishing
Gaping is french? Who knew?
No I think the french word was Obama. I could be wrong.
| 606 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:18:44pm |
re: #589 JCM
It's already the Overseas Contingency Operation, and acts of terror are Manmade Disasters.
Looking down the road, there is some serious shit brewing and the Admin acting like it's a fucking community to be organized.
you are the only person that has consistently made sense throughout this ordeal....I want the captain back alive and healthy...that's ALL I care about no matter who calls me an appeaser...I'm not
| 607 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:19:13pm |
re: #598 Pvt Bin Jammin
Howdy, lizards, just checking in. Anything new and exciting going on? I've been to busy to check most of the threads.
Sharmuta's "promoting" cookbook sales.
| 608 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:19:19pm |
re: #594 axegrinder
I thought this too. But it's those pesky 'rules of engagement' problems they have to deal with. Obama could order it done but since he is apparently a giant gaping pussy he won't do it. Pardon my french.
The rules of engagement allow a attack to protect human life, no issue there.
| 609 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:19:41pm |
re: #596 opnion
Four days & the President of the United States has not commented.
Unless it is a strategy to avoid giving the pirates status, I don't get it.
/he's waiting for the carrier group to get there
| 610 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:02pm |
hey hey, I see that wretchard/belmont club/pajamas media site now has added the ability to revise and extend your post for five minutes. wish we had that here, allow us to fix typos and omissions at which I seem to excel. did pajamas site have to add their first Ajax to make that work?
| 611 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:14pm |
re: #609 Killian Bundy
/he's waiting for the carrier group to get there
Oh, are they bringing the teleprompters?
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CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:15pm |
re: #592 albusteve
because my thing is all about the captain I get hammered with all these questions...I don't exactly know what Seals are capable of at this point...I know they can stay in the water...their stealth is legendary...can't we gun them down or force their boat with holes...fire power, stun grenades...whatever...I don't know....I want the capatain back and I don't much give a fuck about the pirates...they can take their cut and go to the Riviera...so be it....I want that captain back in one piece...what other consideration is there at this point....I assume he is bound with an AK in his face...think about that Rambo
We all want the Captain back, also, Steve. This hits close to home for me, as my uncle is Capt. Tom Bushy, who is the Captain of the Massachusetts Maritime Academy's training ship. The second in command on the hijacked ship, Capt. Murphy's dad works at the academy with my uncle, and has been to several of my family's events. I have met Capt. Murphy the younger a couple of times,
But have not met Capt. Phillips. We all want him safe, but this has to be done a certain way. Have faith in the Navy. They will get him back.
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alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:16pm |
re: #579 CapeCoddah
The pirates are not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier to be taking on the US navy in a drifting motor launch. These morons cannot even swim, I doubt they have a line on the thought process of the US Navy Seals.
* * * *
Toto,
The US Navy isn't in charge anymore. (There's been a change)
| 614 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:24pm |
re: #600 pink freud
See axegrinder's 594.
But BHO sees himself as an expert on everything.
If he orders a rescue, even if it goes badly the MSM willl gush over his courage.
I really don't get his silence.
| 615 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:20:33pm |
re: #592 albusteve
because my thing is all about the captain I get hammered with all these questions...I don't exactly know what Seals are capable of at this point...I know they can stay in the water...their stealth is legendary...can't we gun them down or force their boat with holes...fire power, stun grenades...whatever...I don't know....I want the capatain back and I don't much give a fuck about the pirates...they can take their cut and go to the Riviera...so be it....I want that captain back in one piece...what other consideration is there at this point....I assume he is bound with an AK in his face...think about that Rambo
I understand.
Unless this ended with a bunch of dead pirates and wreaked pirate stuff we just going to do it again, another ship another captain. Maybe they'll get bolder and take a cruise liner and 1000 people.
We cannot, as hard and as cold as it is lose sight of the big picture.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:21:04pm |
re: #603 irongrampa
On a brighter note, this morning's breakfast was 4 nice fresh Brook Trout, courtesy of a pretty little stream and just enough residual skill.
Now did you REALLY have to post THAT?!?!
/*grit teeth* ... cooking frozen fish for supper
... :D
| 617 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:21:09pm |
re: #596 opnion
Four days & the President of the United States has not commented.
Unless it is a strategy to avoid giving the pirates status, I don't get it.
Pirate "aargh!" is not sufficiently clean and articulate for himself to wish to deal with.
| 618 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:21:12pm |
re: #601 NYCHardhat
I am such a non-cook. Most things I do are straight out of a cookbook, LOL, but I'd still like to send in something. Has she set a deadline?
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Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:21:56pm |
Just so's y'all will know:
I just posted 5 spinoff links. Two are moonbat links - Ben Stein rebounding from his rejection by the University of Vermont by being invited to give the commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University and a creationist article in Pravda. The other three are about recent advances in evolutionary bioscience.
| 620 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:22:00pm |
re: #596 opnion
Four days & the President of the United States has not commented.
Unless it is a strategy to avoid giving the pirates status, I don't get it.
That's exactly what it's about. If the POTUS makes a public comment on a hostage, you both increase the perceived value of the hostage and interfere with the hostage negotiators.
| 621 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:22:11pm |
re: #616 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Been told I have a sadistic streak.
| 622 |
Bloodnok Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:22:56pm |
re: #606 albusteve
you are the only person that has consistently made sense throughout this ordeal....I want the captain back alive and healthy...that's ALL I care about no matter who calls me an appeaser...I'm not
I, for one, agree with your stance. The Captain is all that matters and he can not be collateral damage. There's time after he is returned to go after the people that did this. Harshly.
| 623 |
Pigtown Water Dog Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:23:01pm |
re: #408 reine.de.tout
I know that sick feeling. I am sorry.
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:23:39pm |
re: #514 Killian Bundy
I guess you missed the part where the pirates repelled a surface attack earlier today.
/whoever's brilliant idea that was
My Opinions on the CNN article:
1. CNN is crap.
2. From the article: "Pirates have been searching the waters off Africa's coast for the Alabama's lifeboat, a U.S. military official with knowledge of the situation said Friday. They are using hijacked vessels and skiffs launched from larger ships, the official said." All the Pirates have to do is locate the USS BAINBRIDGE, which is within a few hundred yards of the lifeboat.
3. From the article: "The gunfire forced the sailors, who did not return fire, back to the guided missile destroyer USS Bainbridge, the official said." BULL. The ship's lookouts saw him jump, but had no advance warning of his escape attempt. The crew had no time to launch a small boat (RIB) to rescue him before the Pirates got him back. The warning shots were for the Maersk Skipper, not the Navy.
4. Did I mention that CNN is Crap?
| 625 |
pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:23:51pm |
re: #614 opnion
But BHO sees himself as an expert on everything.
If he orders a rescue, even if it goes badly the MSM willl gush over his courage.
I really don't get his silence.
His focus group is probably still brainstorming to come up with something that will play well across the board. Unfortunately, that's impossible. The man should at least SAY something. The void of his silence is being filled by our enemies as an indication of weakness and indecision.
| 626 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:23:57pm |
I keep hoping Capt. Phillips will pull the plug and scuttle the lifeboat, let those bastards sink like stones, and swim out.
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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:24:20pm |
re: #621 irongrampa
Been told I have a sadistic streak.
*shrieking*
*banging head on keyboard*
... *grin*
| 628 |
Alberta Oil Peon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:24:28pm |
re: #490 albusteve
sounds easy...wait how long in the water?...the lifeboat has several days to go before it runs out of water...how do you get them to open the hatch?...ring the doorbell?
Do something to pique their curiosity. Maybe play a tape recording of a bunch of giggling women splashing around in a rowboat. Pirate goes, "WTF?", opens hatch for a look-see.
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nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:24:34pm |
re: #574 JCM
It should have been handled a long time ago.
But we have the confluence of events, a naif in the White House, an American Flagged vessels gets taken, and the Thugs are getting uppity.
Bad, bad mojo in the air.
we have a fcking slacker for pres.
he just wants to flounce around and read cloying drivel off the prompter.
he doesn't want to actually BE pres.
he wants to just PLAY pres.
bill clinton was right when he called o's plan to be potus, a fairy tale.
| 630 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:24:59pm |
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:25:27pm |
re: #592 albusteve
Well even after he tried to escape, the news reports said ( maybe accurate maybe not ) that he was walking around on deck?
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:26:36pm |
re: #620 avanti
That's exactly what it's about. If the POTUS makes a public comment on a hostage, you both increase the perceived value of the hostage and interfere with the hostage negotiators.
He's an American. That alone is an indicator of his value, at least it used to be. Are you really saying that if Potus says nothing, his value won't increase?
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:06pm |
The rest of the crew is safe and gave credit to this Captain for offering to be a captive to ensure the safety of his crew.
It is good to have true American heroes.
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pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:08pm |
re: #632 OldLineTexan
You're welcome! It should work for you.
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OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:12pm |
re: #628 Alberta Oil Peon
Do something to pique their curiosity. Maybe play a tape recording of a bunch of giggling
womengoats splashing around in a rowboat. Pirate goes, "WTF?", opens hatch for a look-see.
Amended for local flavor.
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opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:26pm |
re: #620 avanti
That's exactly what it's about. If the POTUS makes a public comment on a hostage, you both increase the perceived value of the hostage and interfere with the hostage negotiators.
That may be it.
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CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:33pm |
re: #631 Nevergiveup
Well even after he tried to escape, the news reports said ( maybe accurate maybe not ) that he was walking around on deck?
No deck, it is a closed 30 something foot lifeboat. No where else to put him but the main cabin.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:27:49pm |
re: #624 NelsFree
Sounds like bullshit to me. Maybe the Navy sent out a supplies or to make contact per instructions from the FBI negotiating team, but this was no recsue effort.
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Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:28:02pm |
re: #634 Wishing
The rest of the crew is safe and gave credit to this Captain for offering to be a captive to ensure the safety of his crew.
It is good to have true American heroes.
More so because it is Easter week, imo.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:28:32pm |
re: #638 CapeCoddah
No deck, it is a closed 30 something foot lifeboat. No where else to put him but the main cabin.
But they can see into the cabin
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:29:07pm |
re: #631 Nevergiveup
Well even after he tried to escape, the news reports said ( maybe accurate maybe not ) that he was walking around on deck?
there is no deck...pictures have been posted of the lifeboat...it is sealed and he is inside, probably bound tighter that two coats of paint...expecting him to swim for his life in some event is folly...they got him
| 643 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:29:10pm |
re: #634 Wishing
The rest of the crew is safe and gave credit to this Captain for offering to be a captive to ensure the safety of his crew.
It is good to have true American heroes.
Hell the whole crew fought back, and got the ship back.
| 644 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:29:49pm |
re: #641 Nevergiveup
But they can see into the cabin
Early on, 'twas reported that the pirates were blocking the portholes.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:30:23pm |
re: #624 NelsFree
My Opinions on the CNN article:
1. CNN is crap.
2. From the article: "Pirates have been searching the waters off Africa's coast for the Alabama's lifeboat, a U.S. military official with knowledge of the situation said Friday. They are using hijacked vessels and skiffs launched from larger ships, the official said." All the Pirates have to do is locate the USS BAINBRIDGE, which is within a few hundred yards of the lifeboat.
3. From the article: "The gunfire forced the sailors, who did not return fire, back to the guided missile destroyer USS Bainbridge, the official said." BULL. The ship's lookouts saw him jump, but had no advance warning of his escape attempt. The crew had no time to launch a small boat (RIB) to rescue him before the Pirates got him back. The warning shots were for the Maersk Skipper, not the Navy.
4. Did I mention that CNN is Crap?
For starters, they'll need to find the Bainbridge by dead reckoning because their commercial GPS is suddenly no longer working very well, snicker.
Second, this was a story from today.
/the captain tried to swim for it like two days ago
| 646 |
axegrinder Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:30:33pm |
re: #606 albusteve
you are the only person that has consistently made sense throughout this ordeal....I want the captain back alive and healthy...that's ALL I care about no matter who calls me an appeaser...I'm not
You are reacting like a family member or close friend. I respect and admire the Captain but he made his bed. He sailed in dangerous waters, he essentially gave his life to save his crew. I do not expect him to survive. This situation is bigger then him now. I would feel differently if he was my brother. We aren't supposed to negotiate with terrorists. In contrast, I would have negotiated for the life of that 2 year old on the French yacht. It's not his fault his parents made a foolish mistake.
| 647 |
jdog29 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:30:56pm |
I think the captain has figured out by now as has the rest of the world. He's on his own.
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albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:31:04pm |
re: #643 JCM
Hell the whole crew fought back, and got the ship back.
awsome story...then the cap gave himself up....I want this dude back
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JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:31:05pm |
re: #641 Nevergiveup
But they can see into the cabin
This is the type of lifeboat.
Self righting, multiple sealed air chambers.
The hatches can be opened from the outside, a possibility for a SEAL to get on and flash bang, but slim.
| 650 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:31:36pm |
i hope we get the captain back tomorrow. on easter.
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:31:38pm |
re: #638 CapeCoddah
No deck, it is a closed 30 something foot lifeboat. No where else to put him but the main cabin.
Also made of foam, unsinkable, can roll over 180 and right itself.
Here's a thought. Psyops. The BAINBRIDGE can keep the lifeboat lit up with searchlights, play loud music 24/7. The khat that the Pirates chew is probably used up and worn off by now. Wear them out. It would have been nice to be able to jam their comms with other Pirates, too.
| 652 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:06pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
For starters, they'll need to find the Bainbridge by dead reckoning because their commercial GPS is suddenly no longer working very well, snicker.
Second, this was a story from today.
/the captain tried to swim for it like two days ago
Yep, today's gunfire:
CNN said on Saturday the Bainbridge sent a small boat to approach the lifeboat to open communication, but the pirates responded with gunfire.
| 653 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:09pm |
4 guys on a tight-as-a-drum 30 footer suggests that they are by this time getting heavily on one and others nerves. How much water do they have? Are we just waiting for the thirst factor to kick in maybe?
| 654 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:24pm |
re: #619 Salamantis
Just so's y'all will know:
I just posted 5 spinoff links. Two are moonbat links - Ben Stein rebounding from his rejection by the University of Vermont by being invited to give the commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University and a creationist article in Pravda. The other three are about recent advances in evolutionary bioscience.
Very very interesting "Shared Differences" link about CNVs. That big chunks of DNA can be deleted and repeated should not be shocking news, it certainly helps to explain macro-evolution! But it's interesting in its own right. Note that it makes the current human genome data suspect, it may have to be redone - which is no big deal, given new equipment, but the equipment depends on certain algorithms that assume a lot less CNVs than appear to be present. I'd have to see some numbers to figure out what the impact of that is, on modern sequencing systems.
| 655 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:29pm |
re: #644 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Early on, 'twas reported that the pirates were blocking the portholes.
Well both what I read and what we are all reading is probably bullshit anyway. At least I hope so. I hope they know ( NAVY ) what they are doing, and I hope we really have no idea what they are doing till its over.
| 656 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:32:48pm |
re: #626 CapeCoddah
I keep hoping Capt. Phillips will pull the plug and scuttle the lifeboat, let those bastards sink like stones, and swim out.
* * * *
I pray Capt. Phillips doesn't abandon all hope, knowing Pres. Obama's Jimmy Carter II incarnate.
| 658 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:33:33pm |
re: #648 albusteve
awsome story...then the cap gave himself up....I want this dude back
So do I, so do I.
But I'm afraid will get him back and the admin will call it good.
Then it will be really bad the next time.
| 659 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:33:39pm |
re: #618 Pvt Bin Jammin
I am such a non-cook. Most things I do are straight out of a cookbook, LOL, but I'd still like to send in something. Has she set a deadline?
Not yet. Click her name and it will gve you some info.
| 660 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:33:44pm |
re: #578 Bloodnok
I'm looking through my favorites and based on what I see I think I have come up with two more categories:
1) I must have been trying to ding it up and missed.
2) The Iron Fist rule applies to favoriting too.
Thankfully, they're deletable.
| 661 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:33:48pm |
re: #641 Nevergiveup
But they can see into the cabin
Yes, thru the portholes. Not much more than glimpses possible.
See the lifeboat here...
[Link: www.capecodonline.com...]
| 662 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:33:57pm |
One thing that we should NEVER DO is pay these assholes ransom. Ransom money is like water poured into a hand pump; it primes it, and the flow of boatjackers increases.
| 663 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:34:01pm |
re: #646 axegrinder
You are reacting like a family member or close friend. I respect and admire the Captain but he made his bed. He sailed in dangerous waters, he essentially gave his life to save his crew. I do not expect him to survive. This situation is bigger then him now. I would feel differently if he was my brother. We aren't supposed to negotiate with terrorists. In contrast, I would have negotiated for the life of that 2 year old on the French yacht. It's not his fault his parents made a foolish mistake.
he made a deal and the Somalis stiffed him...why is the situation 'bigger than him now'?...that's bravado bullshit...we negotiate with terrorists all the time...check the court records
| 664 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:34:16pm |
re: #649 JCM
a possibility for a SEAL to get on and flash bang, but slim.
/SEALs eat slim for breakfast and [expletive deleted] reality
| 665 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:34:32pm |
re: #651 NelsFree
Also made of foam, unsinkable, can roll over 180 and right itself.
Here's a thought. Psyops. The BAINBRIDGE can keep the lifeboat lit up with searchlights, play loud music 24/7. The khat that the Pirates chew is probably used up and worn off by now. Wear them out. It would have been nice to be able to jam their comms with other Pirates, too.
Darn it, forgot the unsinkable part!
| 666 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:34:34pm |
re: #653 Wishing
4 guys on a tight-as-a-drum 30 footer suggests that they are by this time getting heavily on one and others nerves. How much water do they have? Are we just waiting for the thirst factor to kick in maybe?
Last we heard, they were being fed, presumably including water, from the Bainbridge.
| 667 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:35:29pm |
How about drugging the food or water, or introducing gas, or have I been watching too many James Bond movies ?
| 668 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:35:31pm |
| 669 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:35:34pm |
re: #662 Salamantis
One thing that we should NEVER DO is pay these assholes ransom. Ransom money is like water poured into a hand pump; it primes it, and the flow of boatjackers increases.
We don't negotiate with terrorists- full stop.
| 670 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:36:13pm |
re: #655 Nevergiveup
Well both what I read and what we are all reading is probably bullshit anyway. At least I hope so. I hope they know ( NAVY ) what they are doing, and I hope we really have no idea what they are doing till its over.
Ship reaches Kenya; pirate lifeboat drifts toward land
"Drifts toward land"? Are you kidding me?!? Capt. Phillips will be our next Gilad if they get to land. They can't let them take him away!
| 671 |
NYCHardhat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:36:37pm |
| 672 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:36:56pm |
clearance banana bread
when the bananas have to go before they turn into brown goo.
warning: this is a sweet, dense cake more than a bread.
Ingredients:
1 box el-cheapo store-brand yellow cake mix without pudding
1 4-serving size instant banana pudding mix
1 cup water
1/4 cup oil
1/2 cup chopped nuts (optional for you nut-less heathens)
3-4 almost sticky overripe bananas
4 large eggs
Use a normal cake pans or a loaf pan. I prefer a Bundt pan, personally.
Grease the pan, and preheat oven to 350F.
Beat eggs and add cake mix, pudding mix, water, and oil. Mix well.
Add bananas (mashed if necessary) and nuts. Mix in.
Pour into prepared pan(s) and bake one hour or until done. Cool ten minutes before removing from pan.
NOTE: due to moisture, this is a short-lived cake; store with caution, discard if green.
| 674 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:37:15pm |
re: #655 Nevergiveup
Well both what I read and what we are all reading is probably bullshit anyway. At least I hope so. I hope they know ( NAVY ) what they are doing, and I hope we really have no idea what they are doing till its over.
In my humble (and possibly mistaken) belief, the fact that FBI hostage negotiators were called in (they're in Washington, DC, mind you) says control of the operation was pre-empted at a very high level.
/possibly at a VERY high level
| 675 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:37:16pm |
Paying money for this man's life now will just cost more lives later. That's the way economics works; as long as there's profit to be made by doing something, the people doing it keep doing it, and more people join in.
| 676 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:37:43pm |
re: #659 NYCHardhat
Not yet. Click her name and it will gve you some info.
Thanks, I don't know why I didn't think to do that myself.
| 677 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:37:44pm |
re: #662 Salamantis
One thing that we should NEVER DO is pay these assholes ransom. Ransom money is like water poured into a hand pump; it primes it, and the flow of boatjackers increases.
oh fuck it...pay them...who are you to put a value on the captains life?...if the feds had any guts they would have dealt with this last year...the did not, so to make some political statement of principle now you'd sacrifice this guy?...big talk and pretty hypocritical imo
| 678 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:38:00pm |
re: #670 Sunlight
Ship reaches Kenya; pirate lifeboat drifts toward land
"Drifts toward land"? Are you kidding me?!? Capt. Phillips will be our next Gilad if they get to land. They can't let them take him away!
Within 20 miles of shore. That's still a long swim. I am sure they will NOT let it get to shore. At least I hope so.
| 679 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:38:06pm |
re: #667 avanti
How about drugging the food or water, or introducing gas, or have I been watching too many James Bond movies ?
Would *probably* work, but tell it to bambi. Anyway, the FBI believes in talk-talk, ... though just what expertise they have in talk-talking to third-world failed state Islamic pirates, I dunno.
I will note, that so far the pirates are not famous for actually killing anybody or blowing stuff up. I guess that's a good thing, right?
| 680 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:04pm |
re: #674 pre-Boomer Marine brat
In my humble (and possibly mistaken) belief, the fact that FBI hostage negotiators were called in (they're in Washington, DC, mind you) says control of the operation was pre-empted at a very high level.
/possibly at a VERY high level
Are you suggesting that the POTUS doesn't trust our military?
/shocked
| 681 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:09pm |
re: #645 Killian Bundy
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
While the BAINBRIDGE may have SpecOps on board, the BOXER has lots more capability and certainly lots of SEALS, Marine Recon, etc.
Ulitmately, it will probably come down to Obama's call whether to rescue or negotiate. We can all guess which choice he'll make.
/Spit
| 682 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:14pm |
re: #664 Killian Bundy
/SEALs eat slim for breakfast and [expletive deleted] reality
About 3 am, neoprene gloves and boat would be real quite. Get to the hatch, and go, go, go......
Good chance to have a dead Captain.
It may come down to it.
Running out of options with all the fiddle fartin' around.
| 683 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:24pm |
Paying ransom provides incentive to do it again.
| 684 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:41pm |
re: #667 avanti
How about drugging the food or water, or introducing gas, or have I been watching too many James Bond movies ?
The latter, I think.
Remember when the Russians had some Chechens take over the opera house in Moscow? Definitely a recipe for disaster, trying to drug the bad guys.
| 685 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:39:42pm |
re: #677 albusteve
oh fuck it...pay them...who are you to put a value on the captains life?...if the feds had any guts they would have dealt with this last year...the did not, so to make some political statement of principle now you'd sacrifice this guy?...big talk and pretty hypocritical imo
Pay them and they will take more hostages, and some of those future hostages will surely die.
| 686 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:40:01pm |
re: #677 albusteve
oh fuck it...pay them...who are you to put a value on the captains life?...if the feds had any guts they would have dealt with this last year...the did not, so to make some political statement of principle now you'd sacrifice this guy?...big talk and pretty hypocritical imo
Bring out a laser and drill a hole below the water line... this whole thing is just unbelieveable. And to think Captain Phillips jumped out of the boat to break the standoff and our govt did NOTHING! Take the clue, folks.
| 687 |
Pvt Bin Jammin Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:40:37pm |
re: #668 reine.de.tout
here i am, nic and all.
LOL Clicked your earlier post. I'll get some kind of a good recipe to you soon. I was just worried about the deadline. It's been crazy and busy here at my house & hubby just had surgery, which went well, thank goodness.
| 690 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:40:55pm |
re: #675 Salamantis
Paying money for this man's life now will just cost more lives later. That's the way economics works; as long as there's profit to be made by doing something, the people doing it keep doing it, and more people join in.
you are connecting one scenario to another I have not made...costing more lives later is a call BO can make...the lives cost will be Somalian pirates in my world....don't make me out to be an appeaser when I'm not
| 691 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:41:29pm |
re: #677 albusteve
oh fuck it...pay them...who are you to put a value on the captains life?...if the feds had any guts they would have dealt with this last year...the did not, so to make some political statement of principle now you'd sacrifice this guy?...big talk and pretty hypocritical imo
I'm so sorry, albus. I don't like it, either, but no one should pay for a hostage.
| 694 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:41:53pm |
re: #680 Wishing
Are you suggesting that the POTUS doesn't trust our military?
/shocked
He does trust them, that's his issue. He doesn't want them to succeed at stopping the thugs in Africa (or anywhere else).
| 695 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:07pm |
re: #690 albusteve
you are connecting one scenario to another I have not made...costing more lives later is a call BO can make...the lives cost will be Somalian pirates in my world....don't make me out to be an appeaser when I'm not
Feeding a crocodile is feeding a crocodile, no matter what you call it.
| 696 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:17pm |
re: #690 albusteve
you are connecting one scenario to another I have not made...costing more lives later is a call BO can make...the lives cost will be Somalian pirates in my world....don't make me out to be an appeaser when I'm not
They're no different than terrorists. They will only be emboldened to do this more if they think people will pay money for hostages.
| 697 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:20pm |
re: #681 NelsFree
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
While the BAINBRIDGE may have SpecOps on board, the BOXER has lots more capability and certainly lots of SEALS, Marine Recon, etc.
Ulitmately, it will probably come down to Obama's call whether to rescue or negotiate. We can all guess which choice he'll make.
/Spit
Bainbridge will have a full electionics suite. Put a Queer over head and the pirates will have bumpkis.
| 698 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:21pm |
re: #681 NelsFree
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
While the BAINBRIDGE may have SpecOps on board, the BOXER has lots more capability and certainly lots of SEALS, Marine Recon, etc.
Ulitmately, it will probably come down to Obama's call whether to rescue or negotiate. We can all guess which choice he'll make.
/Spit
The Boxer is the flag ship for a multination anti-piracy task force. The Boxer resembles a small aircraft carrier. It has a crew of more than 1,000, a mobile hospital, missile launchers and about two dozen helicopters and attack planes. And almost 1,900 marines.
| 699 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:24pm |
re: #685 Salamantis
Pay them and they will take more hostages, and some of those future hostages will surely die.
you are not listening....all blather
| 700 |
Bobblehead Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:31pm |
re: #682 JCM
Running out of options with all the fiddle fartin' around.
Fiddle fartin' around indeed. President Panty's first foreign policy triumph.
I'm so mad I could spit.
| 701 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:42:41pm |
re: #690 albusteve
I don't think you're an appeaser. I think you're a compassionate person.
You may be wrong, but your position is a kinder one than mine.
| 702 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:02pm |
re: #681 NelsFree
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
While the BAINBRIDGE may have SpecOps on board, the BOXER has lots more capability and certainly lots of SEALS, Marine Recon, etc.
Ulitmately, it will probably come down to Obama's call whether to rescue or negotiate or sacrifice. We can all guess which choice he'll make.
/Spit
Fixed.
| 703 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:25pm |
re: #693 Racer X
No. This is the pop quiz that takes place the day before.
| 704 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:27pm |
re: #680 Wishing
Are you suggesting that the POTUS doesn't trust our military?
/shocked SHOCKED
Forgive me for tagging along
| 705 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:31pm |
re: #681 NelsFree
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
While the BAINBRIDGE may have SpecOps on board, the BOXER has lots more capability and certainly lots of SEALS, Marine Recon, etc.
Ulitmately, it will probably come down to Obama's call whether to rescue or negotiate. We can all guess which choice he'll make.
/Spit
Why is it I have so little confidence in a Community Organizer knowing what to do?
| 706 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:33pm |
re: #696 Sharmuta
They're no different than terrorists. They will only be emboldened to do this more if they think people will pay money for hostages.
Insurance companies have been paying off these thugs for YEARS, but this is the first time in 200 years that an American flag-ship was taken, I think. (read that somewhere, no link)
| 707 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:53pm |
re: #696 Sharmuta
They're no different than terrorists. They will only be emboldened to do this more if they think people will pay money for hostages.
you people are blind as a bat...you have this mantra
| 708 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:53pm |
re: #679 itellu3times
Would *probably* work, but tell it to bambi. Anyway, the FBI believes in talk-talk, ... though just what expertise they have in talk-talking to third-world failed state Islamic pirates, I dunno.
I will note, that so far the pirates are not famous for actually killing anybody or blowing stuff up. I guess that's a good thing, right?
That's why these things go on for months, they a cheap thugs, but not known as brutal killers.
| 709 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:43:55pm |
re: #694 Sunlight
He does trust them, that's his issue. He doesn't want them to succeed at stopping the thugs in Africa (or anywhere else).
Well, that's cynical.
| 710 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:44:04pm |
re: #684 Dianna
The latter, I think.
Remember when the Russians had some Chechens take over the opera house in Moscow? Definitely a recipe for disaster, trying to drug the bad guys.
I think our drugs are better than theirs. Anyway theirs drug was effective , they just used to much and neglected to have the antidote handy. Russians have a different view of life than we do.
| 711 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:44:27pm |
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
| 712 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:44:56pm |
re: #681 NelsFree
GPS jammers only work over a small area. The GPS satellite system is global. It cannot be jammed over a large area at one time.
Wanna bet?
/we control the satellites and have the option of degrading the accuracy of the commercial GPS network on order for just this very reason
| 713 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:00pm |
re: #682 JCM
About 3 am, neoprene gloves and boat would be real quite. Get to the hatch, and go, go, go......
Good chance to have a dead Captain.
It may come down to it.
Running out of options with all the fiddle fartin' around.
Problem is, getting on board to get to that top-mounted hatch will probably alert the pirates inside.
| 714 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:14pm |
re: #682 JCM
About 3 am, neoprene gloves and boat would be real quite. Get to the hatch, and go, go, go......
Good chance to have a dead Captain.
It may come down to it.
Running out of options with all the fiddle fartin' around.
I'm trying to avoid this topic since it's out of my hands but if we were to storm the lifeboat, you are correct in that the Captain would die but you also take the chances of losing a SEAL member.
This would have no effect on Somali piracy and only result in the death of one US citizen and possibly the deaths of one or more US service members for no net gain. It would not serve as a deterrent to future acts.
| 715 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:16pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
Yes, and do it a week ago, please.
| 716 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:18pm |
| 717 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:37pm |
re: #708 avanti
That's why these things go on for months, they a cheap thugs, but not known as brutal killers.
Regardless, when this is over, however it works out, they need to be brutally killed.
| 718 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:45:48pm |
The ONLY reason to pay ransom would be to hunt down and kill ALL known pirates the day after we get our people back.
| 719 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:17pm |
re: #710 Nevergiveup
I think our drugs are better than theirs. Anyway theirs drug was effective , they just used to much and neglected to have the antidote handy. Russians have a different view of life than we do.
I will agree with every word you wrote, and still think that attempting to introduce drugs will be a disaster.
| 720 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:23pm |
re: #707 albusteve
History has shown that playing nice with muslim pirates only gets you larger demands for "tribute". When America kicks their ass, we don't have to put up with their shit.
| 721 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:28pm |
re: #690 albusteve
you are connecting one scenario to another I have not made...costing more lives later is a call BO can make...the lives cost will be Somalian pirates in my world....don't make me out to be an appeaser when I'm not
Steve, no one thinks yoou are an appeaser, and we understand your wanting the Captain back at any cost...we all do. But, I would bet money even the Captain would not want us to pay ransom, understanding the big picture. I say that, because he knew exactly what he was doing when he sacrificed himself for his crew. He did that knowing the USA does not negotiate with or pay ransom to terrorists and pirates. It does not matter if it is a somali pirate, or an anywhere USA bank robber who is cornered.
| 722 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:39pm |
re: #705 LGoPs
Why is it I have so little confidence in a Community Organizer knowing what to do?
Because his style will be to organize the aggrieved pirates and terrorists, with their root causes.
| 723 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:40pm |
re: #693 Racer X
Is this that test Joe was talking about?
No. I'm certain he'd been briefed upon something/s which hostile NATIONS could be expected to do.
| 724 |
formercorpsman Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:43pm |
re: #677 albusteve
Listen, the only way I would go with giving in to this, (realize, doing this is completely opposite to why we have a Navy to begin with) is for it to be a hoax.
This piracy issue has come to a head.
Nail their asses. Nail their asses hard, and then nail them again. It is ugly, but something like this if allowed to fester could be a disaster economically.
| 725 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:44pm |
re: #718 Racer X
The ONLY reason to pay ransom would be to hunt down and kill ALL known pirates the day after we get our people back.
"ALL" isn't going to happen, it's not like they have a central union hall, but "more" is probably achievable.
| 726 |
Bobblehead Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:46:58pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
It's a mess isn't it? Imagine hoe helpless his family feels?
| 728 |
AuldTrafford Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:05pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I agree - and anything else that moves in Somalia. They harbor those thugs, and serve no useful purpose that I'm aware of.
| 729 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:14pm |
John McCain and our over 700 military POWS were trained to withstand capture & torture, and many had to put their training to the test.
May Capt. Phillip keep his wits and his sanity and strength to withstand these evil men who do piracy for fun & profit.
| 730 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:16pm |
re: #716 Dianna
I had to check your link before I updinged you.
I'm gonna down-ding him. I wanted a picture of a winged Bawney Fwank, and all I got was a Prowler!
| 731 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:24pm |
re: #714 Gus 802
I'm trying to avoid this topic since it's out of my hands but if we were to storm the lifeboat, you are correct in that the Captain would die but you also take the chances of losing a SEAL member.
This would have no effect on Somali piracy and only result in the death of one US citizen and possibly the deaths of one or more US service members for no net gain. It would not serve as a deterrent to future acts.
It might serve as a deterrent to future attacks on any American Flagged ships. And then you deal with the scum on shore and their bases.
| 732 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:29pm |
re: #699 albusteve
you are not listening....all blather
You are not rationally supporting your position...all ad hominem.
As long as taking hostages is profitable, these assholes, and others like them, will take hostages, and hostages will die. It is not a deterrent to say you'll hunt them down later, for hostage-takers commonly believe that once they get their hands on the money and get away, that they won't be caught. The only way to deter these fuckwads is to make it abundantly clear that to take hostages is to condemn themselves to death, whatever they do, and that they won't see one damn dime from it.
| 734 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:47:41pm |
re: #700 Bobblehead
Fiddle fartin' around indeed. President Panty's first foreign policy triumph.
I'm so mad I could spit.
You've got a SEAL staging area at Dubai. Load a bunch on C-130's, 1600 miles to the target area 6-7 hours, HALO or HAHO on to the containers (they've trained for that).
I'd bet you bottom dollar the op plans for that kind of mission are on file in the Pentagon. If the Admin got off the stick it could have happened the first day.
| 735 |
David Simon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:21pm |
re: #675 Salamantis
Paying money for this man's life now will just cost more lives later. That's the way economics works; as long as there's profit to be made by doing something, the people doing it keep doing it, and more people join in.
Yep. (And paying people not to do something can be equally disastrous, as the idiotic bribes to Afghan poppy farmers program proved.) There are but two choices to offer the bastard pirates: bad and worse.
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Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:39pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
And sink every single pirate skiff and ship that we can find.
I'm rather tired of this nonsense.
| 737 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:43pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
IIRC the Soviets thad the same philosophy back when kindapping was in vogue in Lebanon in the '80's. Some Isalmic thugs were very brutally dealt with and viola, no more Soviet citizens kidnapped. There was no fanfare or publicity, just some very direct action. These pirates deserve no different.
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Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:48:46pm |
re: #719 Dianna
I will agree with every word you wrote, and still think that attempting to introduce drugs will be a disaster.
I don't think that is how we would do it either. I was just saying we and the Ruskies conduct business differently.
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Bobblehead Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:11pm |
re: #734 JCM
You've got a SEAL staging area at Dubai. Load a bunch on C-130's, 1600 miles to the target area 6-7 hours, HALO or HAHO on to the containers (they've trained for that).
I'd bet you bottom dollar the op plans for that kind of mission are on file in the Pentagon. If the Admin got off the stick it could have happened the first day.
The situation is now so out of hand I am fear it may never be resolved.
| 740 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:25pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
wrong...get our guy back first whatever the cost...that is NOT the end of it but the beginning...there is no point you can teach the Somalis by storming anything...they don't give a shit, they will just do it different next time...there is plenty of time to take out this problem...it is locally fixed and simple to deal with if we have the will to do it...I want the skipper back first...we can EASILY deal with events later...wtf are you thinking to put this man's life at risk to make a point so long overdue as to be ridiculous
| 741 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:49:31pm |
re: #718 Racer X
The ONLY reason to pay ransom would be to hunt down and kill ALL known pirates the day after we get our people back.
Not doable. Look what happened the last time we had troops in Somalia. I lost a good friend and classmate in the Blackhawk Down incident.
| 742 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:50:33pm |
re: #722 Sunlight
Because his style will be to organize the aggrieved pirates and terrorists, with their root causes.
That is the only thing he is qualified to do, sadly.
| 743 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:50:33pm |
re: #717 LGoPs
Regardless, when this is over, however it works out, they need to be brutally killed.
No. Just killed.
There's no need for endless, stupid torment. Just kill the pirates where found.
| 744 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:50:48pm |
re: #731 Nevergiveup
It might serve as a deterrent to future attacks on any American Flagged ships. And then you deal with the scum on shore and their bases.
You may be correct. However, I don't think we're dealing with rational people (the Somali pirates) and in my mind they would no doubt try it again if this evolves as I stated.
| 745 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:51:02pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
History has shown that playing nice with muslim pirates only gets you larger demands for "tribute". When America kicks their ass, we don't have to put up with their shit.
don't patronize me...I know all that.
| 746 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:51:30pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
Just for the record, if I'm ever taken hostage, this is what I want you to do. Don't hesitate. Set an egg timer for 15 seconds and say "you have 15 seconds to drop your guns and lie down with your hands behind your head". And if they are still up when the egg timer dings, have at it. If I'm caught in the crossfire, I'll go down happier than ending up in a beheading video on the internet. What is happening to us? We used to know this.
| 747 |
pat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:51:47pm |
Obama has demonstrated how ineffective his delusional beliefs actually are. As for Clinton, she is not onlt factually challenged, but she apparently thinks this is funny.
| 748 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:51:55pm |
I'm sure Obama is getting good advice on how to deal with this hostage crisis... like from Jimmy Carter.
| 749 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:52:11pm |
re: #746 Sunlight
Just for the record, if I'm ever taken hostage, this is what I want you to do. Don't hesitate. Set an egg timer for 15 seconds and say "you have 15 seconds to drop your guns and lie down with your hands behind your head". And if they are still up when the egg timer dings, have at it. If I'm caught in the crossfire, I'll go down happier than ending up in a beheading video on the internet. What is happening to us? We used to know this.
I think the Captain knows this right well.
| 750 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:52:17pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
So he dies so we can play Rambo rather then wait for a safer opportunity ? What do we lose by waiting, maybe the pirate will just give up after a week or more. Sure, the captain will be uncomfortable too, but he's alive. It's only been a few days, some hostages were held for months. He see no down side for waiting if it keeps the captain alive.
| 751 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:52:57pm |
Whatever the outcome, it's evident that this issue needs resolving on as permanent a basis as can be done.
I would suggest that the home bases and vessels be made into rubble. Certainly the locations are fixed-hard to imagine otherwise.
If doing this results in casualties other than pirates, well here's a TS chit, as my Sgt Major used to say. Letting it continue is going to inevitably result in more than one person's life being lost,can't help but be thus.
But I have no confidence anything remotely resembling that will happen.
| 752 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:02pm |
re: #732 Salamantis
You are not rationally supporting your position...all ad hominem.
As long as taking hostages is profitable, these assholes, and others like them, will take hostages, and hostages will die. It is not a deterrent to say you'll hunt them down later, for hostage-takers commonly believe that once they get their hands on the money and get away, that they won't be caught. The only way to deter these fuckwads is to make it abundantly clear that to take hostages is to condemn themselves to death, whatever they do, and that they won't see one damn dime from it.
I can barely read your posts...piracy does not have to be profitable...the way to deter them is to liquidate them entirely...after we get the captiain back
| 753 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:02pm |
re: #625 pink freud
His focus group is probably still brainstorming to come up with something that will play well across the board. Unfortunately, that's impossible. The man should at least SAY something. The void of his silence is being filled by our enemies as an indication of weakness and indecision.
Good point. I can see not wanting to confer status on these thugs, but a so far four day stand off has already done that.
The World is watching & our enemies our gloating. Third World illiterates send more ships to confront the U.S Navy?
| 754 |
rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:09pm |
re: #720 Sharmuta
History has shown that playing nice with muslim pirates only gets you larger demands for "tribute". When America kicks their ass, we don't have to put up with their shit.
You are correct. Unfortunately we can count on the present powers that be to do exactly the wrong thing. I hope I am surprised, but I am not expecting any other different outcome.
| 755 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:43pm |
If you want to know where to hit theSomali pirates where it'll really hurt, research the town of Eyl.
/cold day in hell before Obama'll even THINK of that, though
| 756 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:44pm |
re: #717 LGoPs
Regardless, when this is over, however it works out, they need to be brutally killed.
I have no problem with that.
| 757 |
AuldTrafford Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:53:47pm |
re: #750 avanti
Maybe you missed it - they took a second ship; check out Drudge. Waiting around does nothing but give them more opportunities to attack.
| 758 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:01pm |
re: #711 Sharmuta
I say storm them. Take our fellow American back. He may get caught in the cross hairs, and that's terrible. But the pirates will think twice about going after American ships if they know they'll get an ass kicking instead of money. Let the euros pay money for their citizens- we don't play like that.
He's my James Bond techno-scenario - let some SEALS tie some rope around this boat, pick it up with a chopper, and land it on the deck of that troop ship. Saw it open. Call the pirates' bluff where they stand no chance at all. Laugh at them. Sneer at them.
If the captain survives, send them home with new t-shirts.
If not, send them home in pieces.
| 759 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:02pm |
re: #750 avanti
Wait. Get the captain back alive. Then kill the pirates.
| 760 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:41pm |
re: #740 albusteve
wrong...get our guy back first whatever the cost...that is NOT the end of it but the beginning...there is no point you can teach the Somalis by storming anything...they don't give a shit, they will just do it different next time...there is plenty of time to take out this problem...it is locally fixed and simple to deal with if we have the will to do it...I want the skipper back first...we can EASILY deal with events later...wtf are you thinking to put this man's life at risk to make a point so long overdue as to be ridiculous
Check our terrorist most wanted list. A lot of these guys have been free for years. What makes you think we can catch the bastards once we hand over the money? And if we don't, their getaway with the moolah will only inspire them to repeat this, and others to join in, and future lives will be lost.
| 761 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:42pm |
re: #757 AuldTrafford
There are dozens of pirate gangs operating independently.
| 762 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:42pm |
re: #744 Gus 802
You may be correct. However, I don't think we're dealing with rational people (the Somali pirates) and in my mind they would no doubt try it again if this evolves as I stated.
These Somali pirates are VERY rational.
| 763 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:54:57pm |
re: #744 Gus 802
You may be correct. However, I don't think we're dealing with rational people (the Somali pirates) and in my mind they would no doubt try it again if this evolves as I stated.
From what I have gathered, they tend not to kill their hostages since a dead hostage is worthless to them. They seem to have a pretty intense profit motive. They don't appear to be suicidal. They may not think like you and me, but they don't appear to be committed jihadists. I think if this fiasco goes badly for them, they would take notice.
| 765 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:55:49pm |
re: #741 CapeCoddah
Not doable. Look what happened the last time we had troops in Somalia. I lost a good friend and classmate in the Blackhawk Down incident.
What would you say to sinking their nasty little boats, though? And maybe going to the villages launching them, clearing them of living beings (people and domestic animals), then firing them, filling in the wells, and bulldozing the rubble? Then, of course, leaving.
I'm sure it would cause immense outcry, but it might start getting a handle on the issue.
| 766 |
AuldTrafford Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:10pm |
re: #761 Kenneth
There are dozens of pirate gangs operating independently.
I think it's more like they act independently together - pursuant to a common plan. And, again according to the stories linked on Drudge - they come to each other's aid.
| 767 |
formercorpsman Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:12pm |
re: #741 CapeCoddah
I'm sorry to hear that, seriously.
To be fair though, having Les Aspin, and Bill Clinton in the pipeline in that situation was a major problem from the get go.
We knew this type of warfare was coming. We had a mock town near the back gate of Lejeune for this type of training prior to the incident.
There is no substitute for allowing the people who train, and are paid to do a job, to do the job they know how.
When politicians run these operations, it rarely turns out for the better.
| 768 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:26pm |
re: #734 JCM
You've got a SEAL staging area at Dubai. Load a bunch on C-130's, 1600 miles to the target area 6-7 hours, HALO or HAHO on to the containers (they've trained for that).
I'd bet you bottom dollar the op plans for that kind of mission are on file in the Pentagon. If the Admin got off the stick it could have happened the first day.
Send a C-130 gunship and shoot a small circle around the boat... that would scare them to death. Then if they don't give up, demolish one end... etc.
| 769 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:39pm |
re: #758 itellu3times
He's my James Bond techno-scenario - let some SEALS tie some rope around this boat, pick it up with a chopper, and land it on the deck of that troop ship. Saw it open. Call the pirates' bluff where they stand no chance at all. Laugh at them. Sneer at them.
If the captain survives, send them home with new t-shirts.
If not, send them home in pieces.
I'd like to see that!
| 770 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:56:57pm |
re: #740 albusteve
wrong...get our guy back first whatever the cost...
This phrase alone completely discredited your position.
| 771 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:00pm |
re: #757 AuldTrafford
Maybe you missed it - they took a second ship; check out Drudge. Waiting around does nothing but give them more opportunities to attack.
They take ships almost every week, the Italian flagged tug boat is the 7th or 8th being held right now, with over 60 hostages being held.
| 772 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:07pm |
re: #765 Dianna
What would you say to sinking their nasty little boats, though? And maybe going to the villages launching them, clearing them of living beings (people and domestic animals), then firing them, filling in the wells, and bulldozing the rubble? Then, of course, leaving.
I'm sure it would cause immense outcry, but it might start getting a handle on the issue.
I would have no problem sinking every pirate vessel we can identify, and I would have no problem with air attacks on pirate strongholds. I do NOT want to see another massacre like Mogadishu.
| 773 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:25pm |
re: #746 Sunlight
Just for the record, if I'm ever taken hostage, this is what I want you to do. Don't hesitate. Set an egg timer for 15 seconds and say "you have 15 seconds to drop your guns and lie down with your hands behind your head". And if they are still up when the egg timer dings, have at it. If I'm caught in the crossfire, I'll go down happier than ending up in a beheading video on the internet. What is happening to us? We used to know this.
Thank you. That's exactly how I feel about it.
Besides, unless it's head, throat or heart, the golden hour rule applies. I'll risk it.
| 774 |
pink freud Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:30pm |
America no longer "kicks ass". That is clear. I wouldn't expect any action based on the kick-ass premise whatsoever.
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itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:53pm |
re: #765 Dianna
What would you say to sinking their nasty little boats, though? And maybe going to the villages launching them, clearing them of living beings (people and domestic animals), then firing them, filling in the wells, and bulldozing the rubble? Then, of course, leaving.
I'm sure it would cause immense outcry, but it might start getting a handle on the issue.
I am against what you suggest, clearing the buildings before blasting them. We have no grudges against the buildings, we do have grudges against the people. This policy, so beloved by the Israelis, makes them look like idiots.
| 776 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:54pm |
powderkeg red beans and rice
this is a high-fiber take on the traditional dish if you use the suggested beans
3-4 slices of bacon, chopped
smoked sausage, diced
1 med. onion, chopped
1 green bell pepper, chopped
1 tsp. minced jalapeno (fresh or pickled, I like pickled)
1/2 tsp. mince garlic
1/3 cup apple cider vinegar
3 tbsp sugar
1/2 tsp. salt
1/2 tsp. pepper
cayenne pepper if you like, but go easy
3-4 cups cooked red beans, rinsed and drained
NOTE: you can use canned, but cooking dried beans is easy and you can find "small red beans" dried. These red beans are much higher in fiber than the big ones ... read the label ... you will be shocked
2 cups fresh, canned, or cooked frozen greens - mustard, collard, turnip, kale, etc.
2 cups cooked rice (I like brown, but it's not traditional).
Cook bacon in a LARGE skillet until it starts to brown; add smoked sausage and brown. Add onion, bell pepper, jalapeno, and garlic. Saute 2-3 minutes. Stir in apple cider vinegar and sugar, salt, and pepper. Heat to simmering. Add cooked beans and warm through. Add greens and cook until wilted/tender (unless using precooked frozen - then just heat through). Serve over rice.
| 777 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:57:59pm |
re: #687 Pvt Bin Jammin
LOL Clicked your earlier post. I'll get some kind of a good recipe to you soon. I was just worried about the deadline. It's been crazy and busy here at my house & hubby just had surgery, which went well, thank goodness.
Take your time; don't worry.
| 778 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:58:26pm |
re: #772 CapeCoddah
I would have no problem sinking every pirate vessel we can identify, and I would have no problem with air attacks on pirate strongholds. I do NOT want to see another massacre like Mogadishu.
I agree with that, entirely.
But, surely, we could clear dispose of the villages before a situation like the one in Mogadishu arose? Those areas aren't at all urban.
| 779 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:58:29pm |
| 780 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:58:52pm |
re: #748 Kenneth
I'm sure Obama is getting good advice on how to deal with this hostage crisis... like from Jimmy Carter.
* * * *
Yesterday Charles Krauthammer said Obama is right to stay away from this hostage crisis, lest he become like Carter during the 1979-80 Iranian hostage crisis of 444 days, and come to be seen by the whole world as too worried, too involved, too WEAK, too consumed, too impotent.
| 781 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:58:57pm |
re: #767 formercorpsman
I'm sorry to hear that, seriously.
To be fair though, having Les Aspin, and Bill Clinton in the pipeline in that situation was a major problem from the get go.
We knew this type of warfare was coming. We had a mock town near the back gate of Lejeune for this type of training prior to the incident.
There is no substitute for allowing the people who train, and are paid to do a job, to do the job they know how.
When politicians run these operations, it rarely turns out for the better.
Thanks. Still miss Jimmy Cavaco. He was a good kid.
| 782 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:10pm |
re: #753 opnion
Good point. I can see not wanting to confer status on these thugs, but a so far four day stand off has already done that.
The World is watching & our enemies our gloating. Third World illiterates send more ships to confront the U.S Navy?
We might begin to expect the words, Disproportionate force! from the MSM.
/Spit
| 783 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:13pm |
hostage negotiations are a well studied art form. The longer this goes on, the more compliant the pirates will get. The negotiation teams are now haggling over water and food, not money and hostages. The pirates will be arguing. Eventually they will just want to give up and get away. Time is on our side. Wait. Get him back alive. Then kill the fuckers.
| 784 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:17pm |
Well, Lizards, there are obviously lots of emotions running strongly through this thread. There is some misinformation (perhaps including mine), many opinions, and most of all lots of gumption. Unfortunately, we are all bystanders. The people on scene should be given the latitude to devise a solution without waiting for approval from anyone else. It is also my opinion that this matter be treated NOT as a crime, but as an act of Piracy, which requres the harshest treatment for the malefactors. I'll have to get up to speed on USN capabilities before posting again. IN THE MEANTIME, good night all.
| 785 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:34pm |
| 786 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:42pm |
re: #763 Nevergiveup
From what I have gathered, they tend not to kill their hostages since a dead hostage is worthless to them. They seem to have a pretty intense profit motive. They don't appear to be suicidal. They may not think like you and me, but they don't appear to be committed jihadists. I think if this fiasco goes badly for them, they would take notice.
For the captain and his family I hope this works out. Something needs to be done about these pirates since it has gone on for too long and has escalated. Somalia is out of control and has been for years.
There needs to be increased security as well as allowing the merchant ship to have greater on board security measures in place. Guess that's a given that I don't need to explain.
| 787 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:59:52pm |
re: #760 Salamantis
Check our terrorist most wanted list. A lot of these guys have been free for years. What makes you think we can catch the bastards once we hand over the money? And if we don't, their getaway with the moolah will only inspire them to repeat this, and others to join in, and future lives will be lost.
again you are not following...why do you persist?...in my scenario the pirates will mostly be dead or scattered a year from now...I have never posted to appease them until this one situation....they can be liquidated...I don't give a shit if we catch them...just kill them in the water or in their villages...you have skewed my point of view...people keep ragging on me that it will go on and on and never said such a thing
| 788 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:04pm |
re: #783 Kenneth
hostage negotiations are a well studied art form. The longer this goes on, the more compliant the pirates will get. The negotiation teams are now haggling over water and food, not money and hostages. The pirates will be arguing. Eventually they will just want to give up and get away. Time is on our side. Wait. Get him back alive. Then kill the fuckers.
You know this to be true, outside of American culture? I sure don't.
| 789 |
AuldTrafford Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:09pm |
re: #780 alegrias
* * * *
Yesterday Charles Krauthammer said Obama is right to stay away from this hostage crisis, lest he become like Carter during the 1979-80 Iranian hostage crisis of 444 days, and come to be seen by the whole world as too worried, too involved, too WEAK, too consumed, too impotent.
Krauthammer actually said Obama was right not to comment on the crisis - not to sit on his hands and do nothing.
| 790 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:23pm |
re: #780 alegrias
It would be the pirates' dream come true if Obama even mentions this issue.
| 791 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:27pm |
re: #746 Sunlight
Just for the record, if I'm ever taken hostage, this is what I want you to do. Don't hesitate. Set an egg timer for 15 seconds and say "you have 15 seconds to drop your guns and lie down with your hands behind your head". And if they are still up when the egg timer dings, have at it. If I'm caught in the crossfire, I'll go down happier than ending up in a beheading video on the internet. What is happening to us? We used to know this.
I'm with you. Don't give them a chance to rape me before they behead me.
| 792 |
pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:56pm |
re: #764 Racer X
YouTube write-up says she jumped into the enclosure. I don't trust that description to begin with, but if it's accurate ... ...
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| 793 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:00:57pm |
re: #780 alegrias
* * * *
Yesterday Charles Krauthammer said Obama is right to stay away from this hostage crisis, lest he become like Carter during the 1979-80 Iranian hostage crisis of 444 days, and come to be seen by the whole world as too worried, too involved, too WEAK, too consumed, too impotent.
As soon as the USN surrounded the boat, he was involved. Whether that was the correct thing to do or not is irrelevant now. The Power And Prestige of the United States has been committed. Now how we handle it from here is the issue.
| 794 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:01:02pm |
re: #752 albusteve
I can barely read your posts...piracy does not have to be profitable...the way to deter them is to liquidate them entirely...after we get the captiain back
Once we get the captain back they will probably be long gone, as they would not release him until they were. And we don't even know for sure who these SOBs are. So how the fuck are we gonna 'liquidate them entirely' later? That's alligator woofing to support a hummingbird position.
| 795 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:01:09pm |
re: #770 Salamantis
This phrase alone completely discredited your position.
I feel exactly the same way about your lunatic point of view
| 796 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:01:11pm |
re: #778 Dianna
I agree with that, entirely.
But, surely, we could clear dispose of the villages before a situation like the one in Mogadishu arose? Those areas aren't at all urban.
Those bastards are like rats, for every one you see, there are hundreds more hiding. Napalm the bastards.
| 797 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:01:55pm |
re: #763 Nevergiveup
From what I have gathered, they tend not to kill their hostages since a dead hostage is worthless to them. They seem to have a pretty intense profit motive. They don't appear to be suicidal. They may not think like you and me, but they don't appear to be committed jihadists. I think if this fiasco goes badly for them, they would take notice.
And you don't think the Iranians of al Qaida, et al will swoop in and "buy" this poor man (who did his part jumping overboard with no help from the U.S. Navy - I still can't believe this - what on earth are their orders?).
| 798 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:02pm |
re: #758 itellu3times
He's my James Bond techno-scenario - let some SEALS tie some rope around this boat, pick it up with a chopper, and land it on the deck of that troop ship. Saw it open. Call the pirates' bluff where they stand no chance at all. Laugh at them. Sneer at them.
If the captain survives, send them home with new t-shirts.
If not, send them home in pieces.
I like Bond scenarios and in fact right before you posted this I was thinking about lifting the boat with a chopper. Attaching the boat to a line would be difficult however that's where the chemical agents come in first. Set off a "sleeping agent" in the vicinity of the boat.
| 799 |
Kenneth Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:40pm |
re: #788 itellu3times
These pirates are isolated at sea. Human nature is closely tied to human physiology. All humans get tired, hungry & thirsty. This is not the same case at all as the Tehran hostages.
| 800 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:52pm |
Fucking media morons.
NBC evening news...
Battleship Bainbridge.
| 801 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:02:55pm |
re: #779 JCM
Nice cute cuddly polar bear.
Same mindset as extending an open hand.
The lady JUMPED into their enclosure.
| 802 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:03:47pm |
re: #764 Racer X
Stupid woman.
She is beyond lucky, and she endangered the bear.
I hate people like that.
| 803 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:03:55pm |
re: #797 Sunlight
And you don't think the Iranians of al Qaida, et al will swoop in and "buy" this poor man (who did his part jumping overboard with no help from the U.S. Navy - I still can't believe this - what on earth are their orders?).
Well that's a possibility if they ever got him to shore, and I doubt that is gonna happen.
| 804 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:03:57pm |
| 805 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:04:26pm |
re: #800 JCM
Fucking media morons.
NBC evening news...
Battleship Bainbridge.
And does the New Jersey arrive next?
| 806 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:04:33pm |
re: #775 itellu3times
I am against what you suggest, clearing the buildings before blasting them. We have no grudges against the buildings, we do have grudges against the people. This policy, so beloved by the Israelis, makes them look like idiots.
Speaking of Israelis, I wonder if they could do these jobs Americans won't do...
| 807 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:04:52pm |
re: #794 Salamantis
Once we get the captain back they will probably be long gone, as they would not release him until they were. And we don't even know for sure who these SOBs are. So how the fuck are we gonna 'liquidate them entirely' later? That's alligator woofing to support a hummingbird position.
we know where they are...you think letting them kill the captain for a belated political point is a good thing?...I don't....Somalia is not going anywhere
| 808 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:05:09pm |
re: #799 Kenneth
These pirates are isolated at sea. Human nature is closely tied to human physiology. All humans get tired, hungry & thirsty. This is not the same case at all as the Tehran hostages.
But when people get tired hungry and thirsty they may start shooting, who knows. Different training, different culture, different goals.
I'm not saying it won't work, just that I don't know what the data shows, if anything, and will not assume that it's in our favor.
| 809 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:05:11pm |
re: #647 jdog29
I think the captain has figured out by now as has the rest of the world. He's on his own.
i hope he becomes resolute and clear in his thinking. calm, alert, watching for opportunities. he has courage. he has shown that. he is capable of greatly
increasing his chances for survival.
we need a ticker tape parade down broadway when he gets free.
| 810 |
pat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:05:42pm |
At the very least they should secure the life boat to the Navy ship. Cable. Either with a navy grappling gun or via a dive team. Then tow the bastards along side.
| 811 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:05:49pm |
re: #775 itellu3times
I am against what you suggest, clearing the buildings before blasting them. We have no grudges against the buildings, we do have grudges against the people. This policy, so beloved by the Israelis, makes them look like idiots.
I'm a little short on the urge to off women and children in job lots.
Sink every pirate boat, no problem, though. Especially if they're far enough off shore that survival is doubtful.
| 812 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:06:09pm |
re: #771 avanti
They take ships almost every week, the Italian flagged tug boat is the 7th or 8th being held right now, with over 60 hostages being held.
Are you saying that because they are prolific, they should get some slack?
This is a U.S registered vessel.
| 813 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:06:16pm |
re: #789 AuldTrafford
Krauthammer actually said Obama was right not to comment on the crisis - not to sit on his hands and do nothing.
* * * **
For Capt. Phillips' sake, I hope you're right in believing our Commander in Chief has told the military do resolve this as they think best.
| 814 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:06:29pm |
| 815 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:07:19pm |
re: #811 Dianna
I'm a little short on the urge to off women and children in job lots.
That's easy, don't shoot.
But if you have any empathy for them, why burn their homes?
You simply have to make up your mind. At least on this, I eschew the middle way.
| 816 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:07:48pm |
re: #771 avanti
They take ships almost every week, the Italian flagged tug boat is the 7th or 8th being held right now, with over 60 hostages being held.
Which says to me that it's past time to put an end to this nonsense.
| 817 |
pat Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:08:07pm |
What a maroon. And the rescue equipment is a joke. Reminds me of the drunken SF Tiger boys.
| 818 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:08:57pm |
re: #672 OldLineTexan
who knew you were such a chef/baker/bean cooker?
;D
| 819 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:09:12pm |
re: #810 pat
At the very least they should secure the life boat to the Navy ship. Cable. Either with a navy grappling gun or via a dive team. Then tow the bastards along side.
"Hey Mohammad, how come the tide is pulling us out towards that boat with all the guns"?
| 820 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:09:21pm |
re: #793 Nevergiveup
As soon as the USN surrounded the boat, he was involved. Whether that was the correct thing to do or not is irrelevant now. The Power And Prestige of the United States has been committed. Now how we handle it from here is the issue.
* * * * *
Agreed.
I lived and suffered through 8 years of attacks on our country's Power & Prestige, not to mention dead Americans and Africans killed in acts of war that went UNANSWERED during Clinton's 8 years of dereliction to duty.
| 821 |
AuldTrafford Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:09:33pm |
re: #813 alegrias
For the record, I didn't say that, nor do I believe it. All I said was that Krauthammer said Obama was correct not to make a public statement. None of us necessarily believe Obama will do the right thing behind closed doors - and we reserve the right to criticize him roundly for doing nothing. Saying nothing - OK, but doing nothing (which is probably what he's doing): not OK.
| 822 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:10pm |
re: #819 Nevergiveup
"Hey Mohammad, how come the tide is pulling us out towards that boat with all the guns"?
"Must be a full moon, high tide."
| 823 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:21pm |
re: #803 Nevergiveup
Well that's a possibility if they ever got him to shore, and I doubt that is gonna happen.
They can't let them take him onshore...
| 824 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:31pm |
What is needed is a whole bunch of ships casually floating around this area with Marines hidden on board. Each group of pirates who tries to board the ship gets blown out of the fucking water.
| 825 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:10:31pm |
re: #818 nyc redneck
who knew you were such a chef/baker/bean cooker?
;D
someone has to feed the young'uns, ma'am
/
wait until you try my chili recipe
| 826 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:11:12pm |
re: #815 itellu3times
That's easy, don't shoot.
But if you have any empathy for them, why burn their homes?
You simply have to make up your mind. At least on this, I eschew the middle way.
My empathy, or lack thereof, is neither here nor there. Really, the second you sink the boats, you've killed the supports of the women and children. Clearing the village and burning it is merely making a statement. The women and kids (and any remaining adult males) are now charity cases for their clans, and you are pretty clear, I think, on what that means.
The point is to be harsh without committing atrocities. If atrocity happens, it's on the heads of the people who owe protection to the women and children of the village.
| 827 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:11:24pm |
re: #787 albusteve
again you are not following...why do you persist?...in my scenario the pirates will mostly be dead or scattered a year from now...I have never posted to appease them until this one situation....they can be liquidated...I don't give a shit if we catch them...just kill them in the water or in their villages...you have skewed my point of view...people keep ragging on me that it will go on and on and never said such a thing
You have provided no certain means by which your fantasy scenario could be reified, and these particular pirates not profit from their piracy. If it is true that they won't release the guy until after they receive their ransom and have fled to safety, and instead of making an example of these bastards that all their friends will remember and heed, we just compliantly pay the ransom and wait with our thumbs up our rectums for the guy's release, then they have won and we have lost, and they and all of their greedy violent friends will just keep defeating us and cashing in at our expense again and again and again.
And lives will be lost along the way.
| 828 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:12:11pm |
the US has turned a blind eye to this piracy thing all year...now that an American is a hostage some people want to sit on their lost ideals and let this guy be killed if that's the case...I don't...I care for him more than I care about some phony political statement we try to send a bunch of fucking barbarian pirates out of a country we didn't seem to care about until now...fuck the feds...they fuck up everything
| 829 |
CapeCoddah Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:12:22pm |
re: #808 itellu3times
But when people get tired hungry and thirsty they may start shooting, who knows. Different training, different culture, different goals.
I'm not saying it won't work, just that I don't know what the data shows, if anything, and will not assume that it's in our favor.
I keep wondering what kind of physical shape the pirates must be in. Remember, they chew some kind of leaf/ drug that they must be withdrawing from.
| 830 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:12:23pm |
re: #805 Nevergiveup
And does the New Jersey arrive next?
Why no, The MSM is expecting the Monitor & the Merrimack.
| 831 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:12:28pm |
re: #824 Racer X
What is needed is a whole bunch of ships casually floating around this area with Marines hidden on board. Each group of pirates who tries to board the ship gets blown out of the fucking water.
It's big ocean and so few Marines in the world. Maybe we could recruit some gang members from the inner cities for temporary duty?
| 832 |
WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:14:16pm |
Why is it, exactly, that the merchant vessels aren't armed? I saw earlier someone mentioned insurance.... I would think the insurance brokers would
recognize that they may not lose as many ships (and ransom payments) if these ships had some weapons on board?
| 833 |
Nevergiveup Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:14:19pm |
re: #830 opnion
Why no, The MSM is expecting the Monitor & the Merrimack.
If the democrats had controlled the Defense Budget all these years that is what we would have. Although the USS Constitution still floats.
| 834 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:14:37pm |
re: #795 albusteve
I feel exactly the same way about your lunatic point of view
So 'what does 'whatever the cost' mean? If it means what the english language and dictionary definitions say, then the bastards could demand that the US become a sharia nation tomorrow, and you would bow to Mecca and obey.
You chose that phrase MOST unwisely.
| 835 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:14:44pm |
re: #805 Nevergiveup
And does the New Jersey arrive next?
Nevergiveup -
AND if the NJ showed up with those 16 inchers, what more could it do? The issue is the Captain. We appear not to be ready to take a chance on his death.
-S-
| 836 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:15:25pm |
All this brings to mind the raid in the Entebbe airport. Perhaps that should have been the model of how to deal with these problems.
Hit them hard, fast, and early.
| 837 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:15:38pm |
re: #827 Salamantis
You have provided no certain means by which your fantasy scenario could be reified, and these particular pirates not profit from their piracy. If it is true that they won't release the guy until after they receive their ransom and have fled to safety, and instead of making an example of these bastards that all their friends will remember and heed, we just compliantly pay the ransom and wait with our thumbs up our rectums for the guy's release, then they have won and we have lost, and they and all of their greedy violent friends will just keep defeating us and cashing in at our expense again and again and again.
And lives will be lost along the way.
why are you so windy?...are you deaf?...read my posts...you want to blow up everything right out there there right now...get our guy killed and for what?...to reinforce your idealistic blather?
| 838 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:16:45pm |
let's have a boomer surface under the lifeboat and sit it on the silo hatch deck
| 839 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:24pm |
re: #834 Salamantis
So 'what does 'whatever the cost' mean? If it means what the english language and dictionary definitions say, then the bastards could demand that the US become a sharia nation tomorrow, and you would bow to Mecca and obey.
You chose that phrase MOST unwisely.
'whatever the cost' means pay them the money...don't be ridiculous...you are ranting now
| 840 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:25pm |
re: #807 albusteve
we know where they are...you think letting them kill the captain for a belated political point is a good thing?...I don't....Somalia is not going anywhere
The captain has not been kidnapped by a piece of land, but by anonymous individuals, who could go damn near anywhere with a lot of ransom money. Including to the next US vessel, since the last one proved to be so profitable.
| 841 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:29pm |
Pirates 'kill' hostage in Somalia
Somali pirates, who have been holding a Taiwanese fishing vessel since the middle of last month, have reportedly killed one member of the crew.
A maritime official from neighbouring Kenya says the pirates killed the crewman because the ship's owners had failed to pay a ransom demand.
Yeah, its cool to negotiate with these poor pirates.
/
| 842 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:35pm |
re: #833 Nevergiveup
If the democrats had controlled the Defense Budget all these years that is what we would have. Although the USS Constitution still floats.
True
| 843 |
Sunlight Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:48pm |
re: #832 WindHorse
Why is it, exactly, that the merchant vessels aren't armed? I saw earlier someone mentioned insurance.... I would think the insurance brokers would
recognize that they may not lose as many ships (and ransom payments) if these ships had some weapons on board?
So as not to have arms that can be used in a mutiny (I heard some coast guard type person on the radio saying this).
| 844 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:17:57pm |
re: #838 OldLineTexan
let's have a boomer surface under the lifeboat and sit it on the silo hatch deck
Old Line Texan -
I like that one. A LOT.
-S-
| 845 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:18:05pm |
re: #828 albusteve
the US has turned a blind eye to this piracy thing all year...now that an American is a hostage some people want to sit on their lost ideals and let this guy be killed if that's the case...I don't...I care for him more than I care about some phony political statement we try to send a bunch of fucking barbarian pirates out of a country we didn't seem to care about until now...fuck the feds...they fuck up everything
That's what happens when you don't respond to piracy / terrorism / missile launches / centrifuges early.
It just gets to point of being FUBARed and it takes a butchers bill to un-fuck it.
The longer it goes on, the bigger the FUBAR, the bigger the butchers bill.
And yes the butcher's bill now has a face. In six months it will be a hundred faces, in a year or two thousands.
You can't unscrew the pooch. Just limited the butchers bill.
It fucked from one end to the other, but thats the shit stick we've got.
| 846 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:19:19pm |
re: #840 Salamantis
The captain has not been kidnapped by a piece of land, but by anonymous individuals, who could go damn near anywhere with a lot of ransom money. Including to the next US vessel, since the last one proved to be so profitable.
you are like a brick wall....we need to take down the pirate thing and we can...easily...and I hope we do
| 847 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:19:35pm |
re: #836 irongrampa
All this brings to mind the raid in the Entebbe airport. Perhaps that should have been the model of how to deal with these problems.
Hit them hard, fast, and early.
* * * *
Israel's leader Bibi Netanyahu, lost his brother in that raid.
I am comforted Israel's leader knows what to do about hijackers, hostage takers, terrorists and Ahmedinejads.
| 848 |
rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:19:39pm |
re: #843 Sunlight
I wonder what the chances of that would actually be nowadays?
| 849 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:19:49pm |
re: #841 Racer X
Yeah, its cool to negotiate with these poor pirates.
/
Ok , that did it for mer. Give them ten minutes to toss their weapons & stand down or storm the lifeboat.
| 850 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:21:06pm |
re: #828 albusteve
the US has turned a blind eye to this piracy thing all year...now that an American is a hostage some people want to sit on their lost ideals and let this guy be killed if that's the case...I don't...I care for him more than I care about some phony political statement we try to send a bunch of fucking barbarian pirates out of a country we didn't seem to care about until now...fuck the feds...they fuck up everything
You care for him more than you care for the future lives that will be lost if the US provides pirates with a proven profit incentive.
| 851 |
rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:21:53pm |
re: #832 WindHorse
Why is it, exactly, that the merchant vessels aren't armed? I saw earlier someone mentioned insurance.... I would think the insurance brokers would
recognize that they may not lose as many ships (and ransom payments) if these ships had some weapons on board?
International treaties as well.
| 852 |
David Simon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:22:30pm |
re: #832 WindHorse
Why is it, exactly, that the merchant vessels aren't armed? I saw earlier someone mentioned insurance.... I would think the insurance brokers would
recognize that they may not lose as many ships (and ransom payments) if these ships had some weapons on board?
Hell, a small luxury liner (Seabourn Spirit) repelled two pirate boats with a water hose and a sonic cannon.
/Although that probably qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment to some.
| 854 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:02pm |
Gee... and who was it who was given a hard time months ago for not liking pirates? Hmmm. Let me think....
| 855 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:05pm |
Calling this stretch of Somalia as "Northern Somalia" or "Puntland" is misleading as it ignores past history and solutions to such problems. Worst experience was the callous treatments of survivors in 1801 when the East India Frigate, Weisshelm found itself in difficulties at Hafun causing men to leave ship for land. Survivors unluckily found themselves in peril as naked Majeerteen tribesmen were violently ready to pounce on them; killing, looting and stealing all things considered worthy of selling in the Arab markets of Yemen's Aden port.
Since such savage tribesmen had no capacity to build boats, they prayed to Allah for shipwrecks which to loot as they considered "Kafirs" fair game. At Allula of the 19th century, a Sheikh called Guled Yasin famous in oral history of the Majeerteen resided at Alula to ululate each wreckage as a gift from Allah. Local Sultans encouraged such crimes as means to finance their domain with an ever increasing mouths given the scarce and arid semi desert environment of Majertenia.
After Arab and Indian traders left Majertenia for greener pastures such as today's Kenya, Tanzania, and Zanzibar. Local tribes and slaves were suddenly faced with challenges to organise their society into perceived civilised nature of Sultanates. As a result, confederacies were formed to produce what we today know as the Harti clan which the Majeerteens are affiliated to as a sub-clan of Harti.
Without knowledge in trade and shipping, they depended on serving Arab boats involved in the east Africa slave trade as watchmen, guards and sold anything of use to them including Frankincense, myrrh and sheep. In return, Majeerteen bought Arab horses used by tribal worriers often given out as gifts to other tribes they hope to bring under the new Harti umbrella.
| 856 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:13pm |
re: #826 Dianna
My empathy, or lack thereof, is neither here nor there. Really, the second you sink the boats, you've killed the supports of the women and children. Clearing the village and burning it is merely making a statement. The women and kids (and any remaining adult males) are now charity cases for their clans, and you are pretty clear, I think, on what that means.
The point is to be harsh without committing atrocities. If atrocity happens, it's on the heads of the people who owe protection to the women and children of the village.
I believe in collective guilt and collective punishment, whether it's AIG or Somalia. We normally call the collective a nation. In the case of broken societies like Somalia, we have to fall back on tribes, or simple adjacency.
You can't even stop cockroaches by just killing the ones you see, and humans are far more clever.
I thought the US policy in Serbia - and even in Iraq, with the non-fly zones, was immoral. You fight a war to end it - or else, don't fight. We do not have the moral right to inconvenience others, unless the cause is grave. And if the cause is grave, we have the moral right to be efficient and effective in what we do.
It is a great luxury to treat cases of war as criminal matters, in which we only pursue the individual perpetrators, and not their entire support systems. And I emphasize, those support systems are other people, the buildings and equipment are secondary, almost meaningless. Maybe it is a foolish luxury. And maybe, as I fear is true, it is just plain pointless.
I'm not calling for atrocities. I think the absence of effective action is atrocity, when something like this goes on for years, or centuries. It's not our western way. Nobody was overjoyed by the hundred years war. Our cultural battle against Islam may last that long - I guess I have nothing against cold wars going on for a long time. But in these situations, what I look for is, we make our point, we get their attention, and then it's done, over. Maybe we can then do something nice for them, instead.
OK, maybe - against my reason and aesthetics - these middle-way measured responses are workable. I hope so for Israel's sake, because that's the position they seem to be in now with the Palestinians. But Israel's situation is not the US's situation.
That's how I see it all, anyway.
| 857 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:23pm |
re: #845 JCM
That's what happens when you don't respond to piracy / terrorism / missile launches / centrifuges early.
It just gets to point of being FUBARed and it takes a butchers bill to un-fuck it.
The longer it goes on, the bigger the FUBAR, the bigger the butchers bill.
And yes the butcher's bill now has a face. In six months it will be a hundred faces, in a year or two thousands.
You can't unscrew the pooch. Just limited the butchers bill.
It fucked from one end to the other, but thats the shit stick we've got.
yes and people are going to die...let's just hope it isn't our people...Somalia needs to be blockaded...get some assets ashore and start cleaning up this mess before it gets even worse....the US can do it alone if need be...no more ransoms...no more piracy...starting the second the skipper is freed
| 858 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:28pm |
re: #852 David Simon
Hell, a small luxury liner (Seabourn Spirit) repelled two pirate boats with a water hose and a sonic cannon.
/Although that probably qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment to some.
yes the panty-hat gun has been banned under several treaties as has the butt-naked stacking cannon. pointing and laughing is still allowed although frowned upon.
| 859 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:23:47pm |
re: #847 alegrias
And it seems we've forgotten.
8 years of being safe from scum like these--you can't tell me that those Somalis weren't aware of W, and his actions regarding al qaeda. Didn't take long for the swing.
| 860 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:24:16pm |
WHERE ARE THE CARRIERS?
/I think we're gonna need the entire U.S. surface fleet to resolve this
| 861 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:24:29pm |
re: #837 albusteve
why are you so windy?...are you deaf?...read my posts...you want to blow up everything right out there there right now...get our guy killed and for what?...to reinforce your idealistic blather?
I wanna storm the bastards if they refuse to unconditionally free the captain, and I wanna keep storming bastards like them who try the same shit, until no bastards dare to try it for the NEXT 200 years...which is how long the last lesson lasted.
| 862 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:24:31pm |
re: #850 Salamantis
You care for him more than you care for the future lives that will be lost if the US provides pirates with a proven profit incentive.
I'm really losing faith in you...fast...are you drunk by chance?
| 863 |
nyc redneck Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:25:31pm |
well john fcking kerry is doing his part.
he's mad and has decided we need to have hearings in congress abt. piracy.
we are a nation of talkers. where are do'ers?
| 864 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:25:40pm |
Darn it, can't sleep!
Some background on the USA and Piracy:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The first Navy ship on station: USS BAINBRIDGE,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
named after:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
I hope this helps.
| 865 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:25:53pm |
re: #854 Sharmuta
Gee... and who was it who was given a hard time months ago for not liking pirates? Hmmm. Let me think....
Please accept my apologies for giving you crap that day. I was wrong. You were right. Your wisdom sometimes takes a while to sink in to my thick skull.
;-)
| 866 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:25:59pm |
re: #839 albusteve
'whatever the cost' means pay them the money...don't be ridiculous...you are ranting now
You initially chose your phrase, rather than simply saying pay them the money...
| 867 |
OldLineTexan Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:14pm |
re: #863 nyc redneck
well john fcking kerry is doing his part.
he's mad and has decided we need to have hearings in congress abt. piracy.we are a nation of talkers. where are do'ers?
No, Kerry asked for pirate earrings.
The boy has an awful accent.
| 868 |
irongrampa Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:26:32pm |
Time for the old folk.
Have a blessed Easter, good people.
| 871 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:27:25pm |
/open a hatch, 15 second kill zone
| 872 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:27:28pm |
re: #857 albusteve
yes and people are going to die...let's just hope it isn't our people...
Sorry Steve. You lost me with that remark.
No one deserves to die at the hands of these murderers.
| 873 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:27:39pm |
re: #860 Killian Bundy
WHERE ARE THE CARRIERS?
/I think we're gonna need the entire U.S. surface fleet to resolve this
What?
An old-fashioned destroyer and a couple of frigates, and maybe some kind of small helicopter carrier with a few squads of marines, could take out every vessel in Somalia.
Good grief.
| 874 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:27:50pm |
re: #856 itellu3times
I am not a fan of collective punishment. But I'm very, very clear that pirates do not operate without bases. The base is responsible for the pirates. If the people at the base believe the consequences for supporting the pirates are insupportable, behold! they will cease supporting pirates.
My point is to make them see that the costs are too high.
| 875 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:28:07pm |
re: #868 irongrampa
Time for the old folk.
Have a blessed Easter, good people.
You too! Happy Easter.
| 876 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:28:53pm |
re: #783 Kenneth
hostage negotiations are a well studied art form. The longer this goes on, the more compliant the pirates will get. The negotiation teams are now haggling over water and food, not money and hostages. The pirates will be arguing. Eventually they will just want to give up and get away. Time is on our side. Wait. Get him back alive. Then kill the fuckers.
Major great post, reasonable and to the point. The FBI probably has their best negotiator on the job.
| 877 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:04pm |
re: #870 Kenneth
They're in it for the money.
And when they're clear there is no money in it, then what do they do, bobbing about there in the middle of nowhere?
| 878 |
Dr. Shalit Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:12pm |
re: #852 David Simon
David Simon -
"...Hmmm - Sonic Cannon - brings up images in my mind of Cagney and Max Schell in 1-2-3 - Blast them with 'Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini' for a few days and let them go crazy."
-S-
| 879 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:29:29pm |
re: #857 albusteve
yes and people are going to die...let's just hope it isn't our people...Somalia needs to be blockaded...get some assets ashore and start cleaning up this mess before it gets even worse....the US can do it alone if need be...no more ransoms...no more piracy...starting the second the skipper is freed
I want this Captain out safe too. I hate to sound like a slobering Lib, but he is now America's captain. This guy is worth more than every one of those thugish savages. Howevwer if you think that this government will fix the situation I think that youi are mistaken. I think that we will be lectured about how commercial fishermen forced them into piracy.
| 880 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:09pm |
re: #846 albusteve
you are like a brick wall....we need to take down the pirate thing and we can...easily...and I hope we do
I hope we take down these particular pirates first, and that they see some of the billions we have spent for defence, but not one cent of tribute from the US.
Dandgeld never ends until you end it.
| 881 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:32pm |
re: #874 Dianna
I am not a fan of collective punishment. But I'm very, very clear that pirates do not operate without bases. The base is responsible for the pirates. If the people at the base believe the consequences for supporting the pirates are insupportable, behold! they will cease supporting pirates.
My point is to make them see that the costs are too high.
I think we agree on the basic principles, but the devil is in the details.
| 882 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:36pm |
re: #863 nyc redneck
well john fcking kerry is doing his part.
he's mad and has decided we need to have hearings in congress abt. piracy.we are a nation of talkers. where are do'ers?
The unconstrained vision likes to discuss problems- they think all problems can be reasoned out with lots and lots of talking. You can see how this mindset has over run the world and how we deal with issues globally. It's not to say there are never times when resolving some issues can't be done over a table.
But the constrained vision realizes there's also a time to accept human nature. Deal with these bastards hard, and they'll learn we're not going to sit and pour tea over a nice chat.
| 884 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:30:59pm |
re: #866 Salamantis
You initially chose your phrase, rather than simply saying pay them the money...
they want two mil give it to them....kill them later...it's not complicated and for months I have advocated moving with violence against the pirates...I don't really care what happens to the rest of the shipping industry to a point...my position is and always was to protect American boats and crews...now the shit has hit the fan and I want the captain back...kill pirates somehow, somewhere later...I am no appeaser
| 885 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:31:04pm |
re: #866 Salamantis
Please don't hang this on semantics. I like you, but I also like albusteve (with whom I disagree on this), and if you get petty, I'll have trouble forgiving you.
Stick to the big point, Sal.
| 886 |
Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:31:20pm |
3/08/09
Pirates kill 3, take 2 hostages in southZAMBOANGA CITY, Philippines -- Pirates attacked a fishing boat in the southern Philippines, killing three crewmen and taking two others hostage as they fled with the vessel, a local official said Sunday.
The pirates opened fire on the unidentified vessel late Thursday off the island of Basilan before they boarded it and killed the three crewmen, said Al Rasheed Sakkalahul, Basilan’s deputy governor.
Authorities later recovered the fishing trawler but found no one on board, he said, adding the boat had been completely stripped.
"We don’t know whether the two hostages are still alive or not," Sakkalahul said.
Authorities have not yet named any suspects in the case, but the area is a known stronghold for Muslim extremist groups like the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front and the al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf.
It seems other assholes have found a new way to earn a living.
Because it pays so well.
| 888 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:32:28pm |
re: #872 Racer X
Sorry Steve. You lost me with that remark.
No one deserves to die at the hands of these murderers.
I didn't say they deserved to...there are scores of hostages and no good will come to alot of them
| 889 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:32:34pm |
re: #873 itellu3times
What?
An old-fashioned destroyer and a couple of frigates, and maybe some kind of small helicopter carrier with a few squads of marines, could take out every vessel in Somalia.
Good grief.
And they should!
| 890 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:33:00pm |
re: #857 albusteve
yes and people are going to die...let's just hope it isn't our people...Somalia needs to be blockaded...get some assets ashore and start cleaning up this mess before it gets even worse....the US can do it alone if need be...no more ransoms...no more piracy...starting the second the skipper is freed
Yeah, right, sure...I'm not gonna take another drink, ever...after this one.
| 891 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:33:14pm |
re: #887 Dianna
It's an old joke between Racer X and I from days he and I would chat in the Lounge.
| 892 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:33:25pm |
re: #812 opnion
Are you saying that because they are prolific, they should get some slack?
This is a U.S registered vessel.
No, I'm just saying because they snag a tugboat, does not be mean we have to go all Rambo on the life boat and get the captain killed. They may grab a few more before we get our guy back, but we need to keep our eye on the ball.
| 893 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:33:27pm |
re: #876 avanti
Major great post, reasonable and to the point. The FBI probably has their best negotiator on the job.
With people who don't speak English.
Yeah, great move.
| 894 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:34:28pm |
And if a SEAL can't climb into the lifeboat in five seconds and double tap all four stunned terrorists in ten seconds . . .
/well, maybe it's time for retirement
| 895 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:34:36pm |
re: #881 itellu3times
I think we agree on the basic principles, but the devil is in the details.
Isn't it always?
| 896 |
rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:34:48pm |
re: #892 avanti
I don't think "going all rambo" is required in order to take control of a lifeboat with 4 hostiles and 1 friendly on board. Killgore already posted one great suggestion, there are a few others.
| 897 |
JCM Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:35:04pm |
re: #874 Dianna
I am not a fan of collective punishment. But I'm very, very clear that pirates do not operate without bases. The base is responsible for the pirates. If the people at the base believe the consequences for supporting the pirates are insupportable, behold! they will cease supporting pirates.
My point is to make them see that the costs are too high.
The guerilla fighters to fish swimming in a sea of peasants
Mao.
Some times it becomes necessary to poison the sea.
If the society tolerates the intolerable, the only choice is the unacceptable.
Make it so the supporting society with not tolerate them in their midst.
| 898 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:35:10pm |
re: #862 albusteve
I'm really losing faith in you...fast...are you drunk by chance?
You're the one who is willing to put future lives in danger by paying ransom on this one. Maybe you shouldn't lace your crack with angel dust.
| 900 |
rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:36:11pm |
re: #896 rhino2
I don't think "going all rambo" is required in order to take control of a lifeboat with 4 hostiles and 1 friendly on board. Killgore already posted one great suggestion, there are a few others.
Killian sorry, got my credits mixed up.
| 901 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:36:30pm |
re: #883 Salamantis
Umm---danegeld
Thou and I!
It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
"We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: --
"Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!"
| 902 |
JacksonTn Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:29pm |
re: #862 albusteve
I'm really losing faith in you...fast...are you drunk by chance?
albusteve ... you and Sal are not gonna agree on this ... why don't you go over to the next thread and post some of your great music ... I posted one ...
| 903 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:40pm |
Remember 9 years ago tomorrow morning, on Easter, Pres. Clinton ordered armed attacks on hijackers in a Cuban neighborhood of Miami, to "rescue" a child salvaged from a shipwreck, and returned the child to a bigger terrorist, Fidel Castro--whom the child and his mother tried to escape.
| 904 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:43pm |
US ship reaches Kenya minus kidnapped captain
Nineteen American sailors who escaped a pirate hijacking off the Horn of Africa reached safe harbor on Saturday, exhilarated by freedom but mourning the absence of the captain they hailed for sacrificing his freedom to save them.
"He saved our lives!" second mate Ken Quinn, of Bradenton, Florida, declared from the ship as it docked in the resort and port city of Mombasa. "He's a hero."
What would his sacrifice mean if we cheapened it by paying the bounty?
| 905 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:37:54pm |
re: #882 Sharmuta
The unconstrained vision likes to discuss problems- they think all problems can be reasoned out with lots and lots of talking. You can see how this mindset has over run the world and how we deal with issues globally. It's not to say there are never times when resolving some issues can't be done over a table.
But the constrained vision realizes there's also a time to accept human nature. Deal with these bastards hard, and they'll learn we're not going to sit and pour tea over a nice chat.
I am not sure how you got all the way through Sowell.Dry as dust.
My hat's off to you!
| 906 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:16pm |
re: #880 Salamantis
I hope we take down these particular pirates first, and that they see some of the billions we have spent for defence, but not one cent of tribute from the US.
Dandgeld never ends until you end it.
I have no beef with you personally...but for days I have to keep explaining the difference between now with the skipper and next year or whatever...we can end this problem or at least dilute it to a 'distraction'....but no matter what I want that captain back...lie or cheat or kill or pay makes no difference to me...we are arguing about something we probably are close to agreeing on...it's all about the captain to me right now...next month it's all about Tomahawks and shore troops
| 907 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:45pm |
re: #895 Dianna
I think we agree on the basic principles, but the devil is in the details.Isn't it always?
As a general principle, yes, it's the particulars that really matter.
/that's a little metaphysical paradox there, is what that is!
| 908 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:38:51pm |
re: #890 Salamantis
Yeah, right, sure...I'm not gonna take another drink, ever...after this one.
heh...my brother!
| 909 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:39:09pm |
re: #892 avanti
No, I'm just saying because they snag a tugboat, does not be mean we have to go all Rambo on the life boat and get the captain killed. They may grab a few more before we get our guy back, but we need to keep our eye on the ball.
Hey trust me I want Captain Phillipas bck alive. I woder though if it gets worse for him the longer that this drags on.
I am guessing that if we give these savages an ulimatum that they will fold like a lawn chair. I know that you will say , "but if they don't."
| 910 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:39:42pm |
re: #897 JCM
The guerilla fighters to fish swimming in a sea of peasants
Mao.Some times it becomes necessary to poison the sea.
If the society tolerates the intolerable, the only choice is the unacceptable.Make it so the supporting society with not tolerate them in their midst.
Be clear, though. This is a very traditional case for a dis-incentive. We're not dealing with a rogue society, we're dealing with a very old, and very workable, economic model. The point is that we civilized types have to make it clear to the barbarians that their model is out of date.
| 911 |
David Simon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:39:46pm |
re: #856 itellu3times
I believe in collective guilt and collective punishment, whether it's AIG or Somalia.
What an odd juxtapostion.
| 912 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:39:59pm |
re: #902 JacksonTn
albusteve ... you and Sal are not gonna agree on this ... why don't you go over to the next thread and post some of your great music ... I posted one ...
we will end it like gentlemen...as long as he agrees with me
| 913 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:40:19pm |
re: #903 alegrias
Remember 9 years ago tomorrow morning, on Easter, Pres. Clinton ordered armed attacks on hijackers in a Cuban neighborhood of Miami, to "rescue" a child salvaged from a shipwreck, and returned the child to a bigger terrorist, Fidel Castro--whom the child and his mother tried to escape.
I do remember, it's one of the most absurd and repulsive events of the entire Clinton fiasco. The photo of that FBI SWAT guy in full body armor, threatening the kid with an automatic weapon, ...
| 916 |
Sharmuta Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:40:41pm |
re: #905 Wishing
I am not sure how you got all the way through Sowell.Dry as dust.
My hat's off to you!
I'm not all the way through it yet, but I find it fascinating.
| 917 |
itellu3times Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:41:12pm |
| 918 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:41:30pm |
| 919 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:41:39pm |
re: #884 albusteve
they want two mil give it to them....kill them later...it's not complicated and for months I have advocated moving with violence against the pirates...I don't really care what happens to the rest of the shipping industry to a point...my position is and always was to protect American boats and crews...now the shit has hit the fan and I want the captain back...kill pirates somehow, somewhere later...I am no appeaser
You can't guarantee that we'll be ABLE to kill them later, or that they and their friends won't do more of the same in the future for future ransom payoffs, and that more American lives won't be lost as a result.
But we can kill these bastards now, and the rest of the bastards will hear about it, and think twice before they dare to fuck with another American-flagged vessel.
| 920 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:42:20pm |
re: #893 Dianna
With people who don't speak English.
Yeah, great move.
The pirates don't speak English ? You'd think we would have noticed that by now.
| 921 |
opnion Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:43:25pm |
Good night all. I hope that by morning that this has had a good conclusion.
| 922 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:43:46pm |
You can plan and prepare and gird yourself to resist all manner of nasty interrogation techniques.
/stun grenades, not so much
| 923 |
reine.de.tout Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:44:10pm |
re: #818 nyc redneck
who knew you were such a chef/baker/bean cooker?
;D
fulla hot air, if you ask me.
| 924 |
albusteve Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:44:40pm |
re: #919 Salamantis
You can't guarantee that we'll be ABLE to kill them later, or that they and their friends won't do more of the same in the future for future ransom payoffs, and that more American lives won't be lost as a result.
But we can kill these bastards now, and the rest of the bastards will hear about it, and think twice before they dare to fuck with another American-flagged vessel.
indeed...if the cap survives unhurt go for it...if not there will be a worse hell to pay and I will take it out on you first
| 925 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:45:06pm |
re: #920 avanti
The pirates don't speak English ? You'd think we would have noticed that by now.
.50 Caliber and 7.62mm are universal translators......
| 926 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:45:10pm |
re: #904 Sharmuta
US ship reaches Kenya minus kidnapped captain
What would his sacrifice mean if we cheapened it by paying the bounty?
I did put up Dane-geld.
Not that anyone cares, but Kipling put it in stark but accurate terms.
| 927 |
alegrias Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:45:42pm |
re: #920 avanti
The pirates don't speak English ? You'd think we would have noticed that by now.
* * * *
You know, I know and the American people know, these guys have somali-Minnesotan family in the US.
They want their ranson in British pounds, not Euros.
It may be pidgin English, but you bet someone speaks English amongst these thugs that drive BMWs, Mercedes Benzes, and live pretty phat for pirates.
| 928 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:45:55pm |
re: #920 avanti
The pirates don't speak English ? You'd think we would have noticed that by now.
You're making a wild assumption about the competence of this administration. One I'm not prepared to make.
| 929 |
Wishing Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:47:58pm |
Might be back later, if not,
Good night lizards.
Sleep well.
| 930 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:49:33pm |
re: #906 albusteve
I hate to say this, because you won't agree. But, in the end, you have to make it clear that you will not hesitate to sacrifice your own to take the bad guys out.
It's really awful. But...well.
| 931 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:50:41pm |
re: #906 albusteve
I have no beef with you personally...but for days I have to keep explaining the difference between now with the skipper and next year or whatever...we can end this problem or at least dilute it to a 'distraction'....but no matter what I want that captain back...lie or cheat or kill or pay makes no difference to me...we are arguing about something we probably are close to agreeing on...it's all about the captain to me right now...next month it's all about Tomahawks and shore troops
The US does NOT PAY RANSOM to ISLAMIST PIRATE THUGS, and hasn't for 200 FUCKING YEARS! If we set foot on your slippery slope primrose path now, who knows when or if we'll EVER get off it? All they'll have to do to stay fat, happy and safe is to keep at least one US hostage in hand at all times; that's a helluvan incentive for taking more - even more than they'll ever be willing to release, with or without ransom.
| 932 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:50:58pm |
re: #918 albusteve
No, it's not.
Disagreement is one thing, that remark was another.
And I am damned if I'm going to ignore it. If two posters I like are going at it, I'm gonna insist it stays clean!
| 934 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:51:44pm |
How long before the pirates start calling Dominos?
/mmm, pizza
| 935 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:52:07pm |
re: #927 alegrias
* * * *
You know, I know and the American people know, these guys have somali-Minnesotan family in the US.They want their ranson in British pounds, not Euros.
It may be pidgin English, but you bet someone speaks English amongst these thugs that drive BMWs, Mercedes Benzes, and live pretty phat for pirates.
I was being facetious, most Somali's speak passable English. If none of the 4 did, I assume a interpreter would be used.
| 938 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:54:37pm |
re: #935 avanti
I was being facetious, most Somali's speak passable English. If none of the 4 did, I assume a interpreter would be used.
Interpreter?
/hell, they have lawyers, this is big business
| 939 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:54:45pm |
re: #914 Dianna
Hey! Out of line!
Then why didn't you downding the post I was replying to in kind, if your purpose is to be fair and evenhanded?
| 940 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:55:21pm |
re: #933 Iron Fist
no actual disagreement. Just a few nuances.
| 941 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:55:57pm |
Some more background. A recent article in PROCEEDINGS, a Naval Institute magazine, described the arrangement for the Somali Pirates. They are not truly terrorists, but organized crime groups. The bosses usually live near Mombasa, Kenya, which is more tolerant of the lifestyle afforded to gangsters than Somalia. The bosses get info from bribing Port Authority staff about contents and routes. The MAERSK ALABAMA was carrying foostuffs and relief supplies for Kenya, Uganda, and Somalia, which made it a prime target. These items fetch a good price on the black market instead of being distributed free by Charities. Insurance companies find that paying ransom is an acceptable price. The costs of carrying arms to defend the ship are higher than ransom, according to the insurance companies. Pirates can easily disguise themselves as fishing vessels. The ocean there is too big and the vessels too many to search by only a few Navy ships. So, there are several solutions that ought to be implemented. Human intel (HUMINT) to identify the bosses and track the money. Convoy routes that are "no-go" zones for any other vessels. Swift and violent confrontation of any vessel attacking a merchant ship. Amphibious operations against one or two Somali pirate bases to make a demonstration. No treaty is possible since Somali government is defunct. Other efforts should be based on Somali culture.
| 942 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:56:29pm |
re: #939 Salamantis
Then why didn't you downding the post I was replying to in kind, if your purpose is to be fair and evenhanded?
Because I missed it? Damn, Sal, I'm reading and replying more than I ever do! Sorry.
Tell me the number, I'll go down-ding.
| 943 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:57:28pm |
re: #928 Dianna
You're making a wild assumption about the competence of this administration. One I'm not prepared to make.
Don't let your ODS color your opinion of the FBI or the military, they are on the case, not BHO.
| 944 |
JacksonTn Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:58:57pm |
re: #943 avanti
Don't let your ODS color your opinion of the FBI or the military, they are on the case, not BHO.
Don't let your Blinded Love for Obama color your take on the events either mister Avanti ... she does not have ODS ...
| 945 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:59:00pm |
re: #924 albusteve
indeed...if the cap survives unhurt go for it...if not there will be a worse hell to pay and I will take it out on you first
No, if it becomes clear to them that we are unwilling to pay ransom under any circumstances, they lose the financial incentive to kidnap future Americans, and gain a great disincentive - their certain deaths.
| 946 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 6:59:29pm |
re: #943 avanti
Don't let your ODS color your opinion of the FBI or the military, they are on the case, not BHO.
It's not ODS - and don't you ever accuse me of that again - it's the fact that hostage negotiation is culturally constrained to an extent you don't begin to comprehend.
Get a fucking clue. Sending an American hostage negotiator is just freakin' stupid.
| 947 |
Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:01pm |
re: #942 Dianna
Because I missed it? Damn, Sal, I'm reading and replying more than I ever do! Sorry.
Tell me the number, I'll go down-ding.
# 862
| 949 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:00:41pm |
re: #947 Salamantis
I'm on my way to go down-ding #862, then I'm having dinner with my Male and my friends.
| 951 |
LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:02:44pm |
re: #941 NelsFree
Some more background. A recent article in PROCEEDINGS, a Naval Institute magazine, described the arrangement for the Somali Pirates. They are not truly terrorists, but organized crime groups. The bosses usually live near Mombasa, Kenya, which is more tolerant of the lifestyle afforded to gangsters than Somalia. The bosses get info from bribing Port Authority staff about contents and routes. The MAERSK ALABAMA was carrying foostuffs and relief supplies for Kenya, Uganda, and Somalia, which made it a prime target. These items fetch a good price on the black market instead of being distributed free by Charities. Insurance companies find that paying ransom is an acceptable price. The costs of carrying arms to defend the ship are higher than ransom, according to the insurance companies. Pirates can easily disguise themselves as fishing vessels. The ocean there is too big and the vessels too many to search by only a few Navy ships. So, there are several solutions that ought to be implemented. Human intel (HUMINT) to identify the bosses and track the money. Convoy routes that are "no-go" zones for any other vessels. Swift and violent confrontation of any vessel attacking a merchant ship. Amphibious operations against one or two Somali pirate bases to make a demonstration. No treaty is possible since Somali government is defunct. Other efforts should be based on Somali culture.
Use Humint and bribes to find out who the bosses are and disappear them using extreme prejudice. And by all means don't discuss it on the 6:00 news. All that leads to is analysis paralysis. Repeat until message is recieved by the intended audience.
The world is a brutal, dark place and the antidote is determined, harsh action.
| 953 |
Dianna Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:04:00pm |
Dianna is now taking a break for dinner.
/s/
The cooks.
| 954 |
avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:05:08pm |
re: #944 JacksonTn
Don't let your Blinded Love for Obama color your take on the events either mister Avanti ... she does not have ODS ...
OK, if you call me for love of the Obama because I think the FBI is competent regardless of the POTUS, that is a stretch IMHO. I trust the FBI can figure out how to talk the pirates even with BHO as POTUS, but that's just me.
| 955 |
rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:05:35pm |
| 956 |
JacksonTn Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:24pm |
re: #954 avanti
OK, if you call me for love of the Obama because I think the FBI is competent regardless of the POTUS, that is a stretch IMHO. I trust the FBI can figure out how to talk the pirates even with BHO as POTUS, but that's just me.
Do not want to verbally spar with you ... not worth it ... I mainly commented to indicate you are wrong for saying that about Dianna ... gazing ...
| 957 |
Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:06:58pm |
re: #950 rawmuse
Apparently a SEAL boat was sent out, and fired upon.
Hey, back off and relax.
FBI Launches Criminal Piracy Probe
FBI agents are investigating the Somali pirates who hijacked a U.S. ship and are holding its captain hostage, U.S. officials said Saturday, raising the possibility of federal charges against the men if they are captured.
Even as Navy warships were in a standoff with the pirates floating in a lifeboat in the Indian Ocean, FBI agents from New York were investigating how the hijacking unfolded, according to two officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
Attorney General Eric Holder said this past week that the Justice Department had not seen a case of piracy against a U.S. ship in hundreds of years. But authorities have prepared for such an event as the threat of piracy along the African coast has risen.
/what's next, Congressional hearings?
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Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:07:06pm |
We cannot afford to treat this case in isolation and pony up ransom, for such profit ensures that it will be the beginning of a terrible trend.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:08:07pm |
re: #943 avanti
Don't let your ODS color your opinion of the FBI or the military, they are on the case, not BHO.
regardless of the FBI or the miltary's prowess, the civilian leadership can have a debilitating impact. remeber Mogadishu? Don't you think the miltary would have loved to stay and deal with the fuckers that dragged our soldiers thru the streets. Clinton pulled them out. Clinton also deballed the FBI. remeber Jamie fucking Gorelick and her #wall of separation'. Remember Carter famously fucking up Desert One with his amateurish micro managing.
Civilians can and do fuck things up. the wise ones let the professionals do their job. Obama and the democrats are not wise.
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:08:43pm |
re: #946 Dianna
It's not ODS - and don't you ever accuse me of that again - it's the fact that hostage negotiation is culturally constrained to an extent you don't begin to comprehend.
Get a fucking clue. Sending an American hostage negotiator is just freakin' stupid.
OK, I can't argue your opinion, but I still trust the FBI to know how to negotiate. Just because Obama is POTUS, it does not strike the entire government dumb.
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:08:47pm |
re: #950 rawmuse
Apparently a SEAL boat was sent out, and fired upon.
What you are calling a SEAL boat was a Rubberized Inflatable Boat (RIB) carried by all ARLEIGH BURKE class DDGs. Two are carried, one is the "Prime RIB" the other one is the "Spare RIB".
Please, folks! Emotions are running high here! There is lots of misinformation posted, opinions expressed as facts, and aspersions cast in all manner of directions. Lest we chase each other around with Clue-by-fours, let's calm down and have a civil discussion, lest we end up like the DKOS or HuffPo. Please.
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Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:09:16pm |
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Racer X Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:11:58pm |
re: #960 avanti
Just because Obama is POTUS, it does not strike the entire government dumb.
You are correct.
Some are Republicans.
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Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:12:13pm |
re: #957 Killian Bundy
/what's next, Congressional hearings?
This is not uncommon. Keep in mind to recent events involving the FBI:
1. USS Cole
2. Lockerbie/Pan Am
This is an investigation involving a US Flagged Merchant vessel as well as being crewed by United States citizens and one US citizen hostage.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:12:14pm |
Wow,TOTUS is aiming to arrest the pirates.
/so they can be charged with a crime
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:12:26pm |
re: #956 JacksonTn
Do not want to verbally spar with you ... not worth it ... I mainly commented to indicate you are wrong for saying that about Dianna ... gazing ...
I should have used disliked or hated BHO instead of ODS I guess. I just had no other explanation for disrespecting the FBI, but perhaps there is one.
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hazzyday Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:13:57pm |
Pres Obama will probably negotiate to move the perps to Pittsburgh.
I like the option above of wearing them out. I would also confiscate any and all boats and guns up and down the coast. No fishing allowed for a year.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:21pm |
re: #964 Gus 802
This is an investigation involving a US Flagged Merchant vessel as well as being crewed by United States citizens and one US citizen hostage.
/so we can't just kill the suspects and deprive them of a trial?
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:37pm |
re: #963 Racer X
You are correct.
Some are Republicans.
OK, then hope that it's a Republican FBI negotiator and lets move on.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:14:41pm |
re: #965 Killian Bundy
Wow,TOTUS is aiming to arrest the pirates.
/so they can be charged with a crime
Hey! These are alleged pirates. Who are you to jump to conclusions?
//////
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JacksonTn Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:16:08pm |
re: #968 Killian Bundy
/so we can't just kill the suspects and deprive them of a trial?
that is so yesterday ... geez ... get with the program ... trials for all terrorists ... no shooting first ...
///blow their friggin heads off ...
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:40pm |
re: #951 LGoPs
Use Humint and bribes to find out who the bosses are and disappear them using extreme prejudice. And by all means don't discuss it on the 6:00 news. All that leads to is analysis paralysis. Repeat until message is recieved by the intended audience.
The world is a brutal, dark place and the antidote is determined, harsh action.
The CIA would handle the DTUEP, if allowed to perform. UNFORTUNATELY, the head of CIA is...
Leon Panetta!?!?!?
A post on [Link: www.sodahead.com...] on Panetta:
"Obama appointed Leon Panetta as head of the CIA. I met Leon Panetta back in the early 1980's when I was working at Cribari winery in Fresno, CA. I can honestly say that he is a guy who is not a secret keeping type guy. Panetta is 100% humanitarian and environmentalist which goes against what the CIA does, and to appoint him as head of the CIA is 100% RETARDED!"
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Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:17:58pm |
re: #968 Killian Bundy
/so we can't just kill the suspects and deprive them of a trial?
I'm sure if the opportunity presents itself during any operation or fire fight that is an option.
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:18:15pm |
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rawmuse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:08pm |
re: #973 NelsFree
I have met Mr. Panetta. He is a nice man. Nice, soft, pliable. He means well.
Just the type of guy you don't want in charge of the CIA, which is precisely why he was appointed, IMHO.
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:20:23pm |
re: #975 rawmuse
re: #962 Gus 802
OK, the type of boat frequently used by SEAL teams.
I hope they have a few SEALS handy, if ever there was time to deploy them, this is it.
USS BOXER will have the SpecOps onboard, and sufficient support facilities to mount a more complex op that the BAINBRIDGE could do.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:21:34pm |
re: #973 NelsFree
The CIA would handle the DTUEP, if allowed to perform. UNFORTUNATELY, the head of CIA is...
Leon Panetta!?!?!?A post on [Link:
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Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:12pm |
re: #975 rawmuse
re: #962 Gus 802
OK, the type of boat frequently used by SEAL teams.
I hope they have a few SEALS handy, if ever there was time to deploy them, this is it.
Maybe. I was thinking perhaps another opportunity may present itself upon landing of the life boat. Last saw that it was 35 KM off the coast of Somalia. I'm not an expert by any means but any teams would have to be in place near the vicinity of the landing and not advertise itself which seems to be what they've been doing. Would have to be an underwater team and land team would be my guess.
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NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:22:56pm |
Another interesting thought. The USS BAINBRIDGE has the Remote Mine-Hunting System onboard. First in her class with it. The deployable unmanned submersible can locate and identify underwater objects. Might come in handy, with an imaginative crew...
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:39pm |
Day 342 . . .
/pirates demand an immediate upgrade of the DirectTV on their brand new 53' houseboat or they'll kill Captain Phillips
| 982 |
NelsFree Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:23:58pm |
Okay, NOW I'm really going to bed! G'nite, Lizards!
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:24:40pm |
re: #904 Sharmuta
I'm not sure I agree with you that paying these idiots off would somehow cheapen his act of heroism. I say, pay them off.... get him back safely - then open a major can of whup-ass.....
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:25:46pm |
re: #983 WindHorse
I'm not sure I agree with you that paying these idiots off would somehow cheapen his act of heroism. I say, pay them off.... get him back safely - then open a major can of whup-ass.....
I'd prefer to get him back safely precisely by opening a major can of whoop-ass.
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Killian Bundy Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:21pm |
re: #977 NelsFree
USS BOXER will have the SpecOps onboard, and sufficient support facilities to mount a more complex op that the BAINBRIDGE could do.
The SEALs have been there for days already, awaiting orders.
/the Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:31pm |
hah. Avanti's fall back position on everything.... "You have ODS."
hah.
(hey Avanti, what is the total now that the US has provided to the Italians as aid money for the earthquake?)
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:34pm |
"Obama appointed Leon Panetta as head of the CIA. I met Leon Panetta back in the early 1980's when I was working at Cribari winery in Fresno, CA. I can honestly say that he is a guy who is not a secret keeping type guy. Panetta is 100% humanitarian and environmentalist which goes against what the CIA does, and to appoint him as head of the CIA is 100% RETARDED!"
The trouble started with the Church committe hearings in the 70's. Dangerously naive and responsible for the loss of our Humint capabilities. Continued with Carter and Stansfield Turner and got the coup de gras from Clinton and Torricelli. democrats have phenomenally bad judgement and shouldn't be trusted with anything more deadly than nerf toys.
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Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:26:44pm |
re: #984 Iron Fist
I'm not hacking on you, but those two examples are probably the best examples of how to fuck something up as you could come up with. The Cole was the worst. An attack on a Naval Vessel has been an act of war for as long as humans have been building civilizations higher than a few daub and wattle huts beside a river. Letting something like that just slide was the height of irresponsibility, but then, it was
That's fine but it wasn't of my doing. I was just pointing out that the FBI was involved in those two events. There are other examples of the FBI being involved in hostage matter which are carried out by the FBI Extraterritorial Squad.
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hazzyday Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:28:01pm |
I do think like above that this is an act of war and requires a warlike response. We can be more deliberate about it than 200 years ago and faster and more painful. Basically somali ass has to be handed back to them so that they think twice for a generation on pirating another ship.
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:35:29pm |
for all of the millions and billions we (as a country) have spent frivolously, a couple of million (or twenty) for Captain Phillips safety is (to me) a no-brainer. This guy is a hero and we need people like this alive and well.
then kick some ass......
| 994 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:39:22pm |
re: #993 Iron Fist
PIMf. I lost about half my post. I was just bagging on the Clinton Administration. The Cole was just the culmination of the unseriousness with which Clinton took his role as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He let an American warship be attacked without any practical response. I also speculated a bit about Sandy Berger's clandestine trips to the National Archives, and what kind of information he considered worth going to jail for in order to cover it up.
I think they should have water-boarded Berger until he gave up the goods on Clinton. It would have been fascinating.
Thought I saw something about Hillary Clinton consulting with Sandy Berger today.
| 995 |
Gus Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:41:50pm |
re: #994 Gus 802
Thought I saw something about Hillary Clinton consulting with Sandy Berger today.
Nevermind, I that was an old story I saw.
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Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:10pm |
re: #983 WindHorse
I'm not sure I agree with you that paying these idiots off would somehow cheapen his act of heroism. I say, pay them off.... get him back safely - then open a major can of whup-ass.....
I sday thaat if they refuse to release him unconditionally, open up a major can of whup-ass NOW - so they, or others like them, will avoid a repetition of the act for fear of a repitition of its consequences.
Taking hostages should ENDANGER one's safety, not ENSURE it. And it should NEVER be allowed to be a way to quick and easy wealth.
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David Simon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:42:12pm |
re: #984 Iron Fist
I'm not hacking on you, but those two examples are probably the best examples of how to fuck something up as you could come up with. The Cole was the worst. An attack on a Naval Vessel has been an act of war for as long as humans have been building civilizations higher than a few daub and wattle huts beside a river. Letting something like that just slide was the height of irresponsibility, but then, it was
Exactly. Bin Laden was well on his way to becoming a penniless nobody. After Al Qaeda pulled off that attack, money began flowing into the terrorist coffers. The message was clear: you could attack the U.S. with near impunity.
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Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:45:25pm |
re: #992 WindHorse
for all of the millions and billions we (as a country) have spent frivolously, a couple of million (or twenty) for Captain Phillips safety is (to me) a no-brainer. This guy is a hero and we need people like this alive and well.
then kick some ass......
Nope. If we pay the ransom, we make the pirating Somali kidnappers heroes to THEIR people - and droves of Somalis will flock to emulate them. And future US lives will be lost as a result.
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:46:50pm |
re: #987 WindHorse
hah. Avanti's fall back position on everything.... "You have ODS."
hah.
(hey Avanti, what is the total now that the US has provided to the Italians as aid money for the earthquake?)
So far just the 50K from the embassy but Italy has 10 weeks to summit requests for aid from Europe so may wait with them to evaluate the funds needed for the damage done. If you want a big check earlier ask your Congressman :
"Italy has 10 weeks to say how much the damage is and the funds can be mobilized quite quickly once we have received the information," the spokesman told AFP after Italy's EU ambassador made the request.
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:47:49pm |
re: #996 Salamantis
Hey, I like your style.... but, if we can save Captain Phillips life, we should. If we as a country had an attitude that absolutely stomped on everyone's ass the minute they looked at us cross-eyed, then this sort of thing would never have happenend. But, that isn't how we are.
So, to me, the solution is to get him back and then do some major spanking.
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LGoPs Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:47:51pm |
re: #993 Iron Fist
PIMf. I lost about half my post. I was just bagging on the Clinton Administration. The Cole was just the culmination of the unseriousness with which Clinton took his role as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. He let an American warship be attacked without any practical response. I also speculated a bit about Sandy Berger's clandestine trips to the National Archives, and what kind of information he considered worth going to jail for in order to cover it up.
I think they should have water-boarded Berger until he gave up the goods on Clinton. It would have been fascinating.
Yeah, can you imagine a Republican getting away with what Berger got away with? That blatant kind of double standard is what gives me DDS. Democratic Derangement Syndrome............
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rhino2 Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:51:48pm |
re: #1000 WindHorse
There are more ways to whoop pirate ass than to just torpedo the boat.
/4 hostiles isn't that many.
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WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:54:25pm |
re: #999 avanti
So, do you think (under any circumstances) Italy will ask the US for aid?
They won't.
(And they shouldn't have to.)
We should have (as a country) kicked in some serious money, an amount that would have really made a difference, say 50-million instead of 50-thousand. Again, compared to the frivolous waste that passes for "stimulus", this is nothing. It was needed, we didn't respond (as needed) and the quake victims are suffering.
imo
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avanti Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:57:52pm |
re: #1003 WindHorse
So, do you think (under any circumstances) Italy will ask the US for aid?
They won't.
(And they shouldn't have to.)
We should have (as a country) kicked in some serious money, an amount that would have really made a difference, say 50-million instead of 50-thousand. Again, compared to the frivolous waste that passes for "stimulus", this is nothing. It was needed, we didn't respond (as needed) and the quake victims are suffering.
imo
I prefer to wait and see the need, but if you want to have a check cut, speak up. BTW, I thought I was the liberal. : )
| 1005 |
WindHorse Sat, Apr 11, 2009 7:59:59pm |
re: #1004 avanti
I do not see spending money as a political stance. Screw it. If people need help, we help.
I don't know what that makes me.... but it is how I see things.
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Salamantis Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:00:02pm |
re: #1000 WindHorse
Hey, I like your style.... but, if we can save Captain Phillips life, we should. If we as a country had an attitude that absolutely stomped on everyone's ass the minute they looked at us cross-eyed, then this sort of thing would never have happenend. But, that isn't how we are.
So, to me, the solution is to get him back and then do some major spanking.
And if we CAN'T get him back, do some major spanking. But regardless, we shouldn't pay those bastards one thin dime.
If there is a trend to be encouraged by our actions, I want it to be a trend AWAY from pirating our vessels and kidnapping our citizens, not a trend TOWARDS it. And paying ransom would only encourage the SOBs, and alla their greedy friends, not deter them.
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David Simon Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:18:06pm |
Timely WSJ op-ed:
Though they don't often employ the term, many legal experts agree that al Qaeda fighters are latrunculi -- hardly distinguishable by their actions from pirates and the like. Robert Kogod Goldman, an American University law professor has commented: "I think under any standard, the captured al Qaeda fighters simply do not meet the minimum standards set out to be considered prisoners of war." And according to Marc Cogen, a professor of international law at Ghent University in Belgium, "no 'terrorist organization' thus far has been deemed a combatant under the laws of armed conflict." Thus al Qaeda members "can be punished for all hostile acts, including the killing of soldiers, because they have no right to participate directly in hostilities." But the Obama administration is about to extend legal rights -- intended to protect civilians -- to the very latrunculi who want to blow them up by considering the possibility of trying them in U.S. courts. Indeed, Attorney General Holder did not rule out trying the Somali pirates.
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
Left unsaid: How much useful information will be gleaned by our enemies if they are allowed access to U.S. courts?
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, Apr 11, 2009 8:25:23pm |
re: #740 albusteve
Say a prayer tonight & for as many nights as it takes, for the good Captain & his family. Pray hard. It's all we can constructively do.
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meeshlr Sat, Apr 11, 2009 10:19:01pm |
re: #228 rawmuse
Inasmuch as I do not like having non-US citizens influencing US elections, I would think that Canadians have similar sentiments.
I know however no one here has really minded but I think that they assume that I'm a citizen. I haven't really done anything for an election. Maybe if anyone criticizes me, I should ask how they feel about the Saskatchewan college students who went to the US to work on Obama's campaign.
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