The latest radical progressive RINO to find himself on the wrong side of the right wing: Glenn Beck.
Weird Nut Drooly is on to him: Meet kinder, gentler Glenn Beck: New ‘global warming’ believer?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:24:58pm |
If Glen Beck ends up saying AGW is real, then Ludwig will be doing one of the biggest end zone dances in LGF history. And both those things will be Good Things.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:25:15pm |
But does Beck hate teh ghey sufficiently? Since that’s the real deal breaker now.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:25:33pm |
Noo! I don’t want Glenn Beck on the right side of this issue. He’ll just fuck it up and turn the country against the planet. Keep being a denier, Glenn…it suits your stupid persona.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:26:49pm |
I’m having a hard time following all the craziness with who’s in, who’s out, and what now passes for an orthodox conservative political position. Following Lost is much easier than that - even if you’ve never watched the show from the start.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:26:51pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
If Glen Beck ends up saying AGW is real, then Ludwig will be doing one of the biggest end zone dances in LGF history. And both those things will be Good Things.
Sadly, if Beck says it’s real it would likely only be to have ALeX JoNEs or someone on to say the progressive totalitarian neo-fascism commie Obama is making it happen, because he wants to destroy not only Amurka but also the EARTH!1!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:27:10pm |
re: #2 iceweasel
But does Beck hate teh ghey sufficiently? Since that’s the real deal breaker now.
Its pure irony that the far right may turn on Glen Beck for not being crazy enough.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:28:33pm |
re: #6 Dark_Falcon
Its pure irony that the far right may turn on Glen Beck for not being crazy enough.
The purges will continue until purity is assured.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:28:50pm |
Is he gonna draw the hockey stick on his magic chalkboard?
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keloyd Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:31:26pm |
Someone has compromised the purity of Glenn Beck’s precious bodily fluids.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:32:48pm |
re: #9 keloyd
Someone has compromised the purity of Glenn Beck’s precious bodily fluids.
They…they…they’ve polluted his essence!
Oh, noes!!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:33:17pm |
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:33:25pm |
You know, I wouldn’t put it past Beck to try and use this as a scam - to draw out who’s on his side or not.
Or - much more likely - he’s seeing a financial angle to his advantage - carbon trading is the new gold.
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jaunte Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:33:46pm |
NPR had this climate change story on this evening during drive time. Part of it has some relation to the conversation here lately about the ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ labels.
Belief In Climate Change Hinges On Worldview..snip..
“People tend to conform their factual beliefs to ones that are consistent with their cultural outlook, their world view,” Braman says.The Cultural Cognition Project has conducted several experiments to back that up.
Participants in these experiments are asked to describe their cultural beliefs. Some embrace new technology, authority and free enterprise. They are labeled the “individualistic” group. Others are suspicious of authority or of commerce and industry. Braman calls them “communitarians.”
In one experiment, Braman queried these subjects about something unfamiliar to them: nanotechnology — new research into tiny, molecule-sized objects that could lead to novel products.
“These two groups start to polarize as soon as you start to describe some of the potential benefits and harms,” Braman says.
The individualists tended to like nanotechnology. The communitarians generally viewed it as dangerous. Both groups made their decisions based on the same information.
…In another experiment, people read a United Nations study about the dangers of global warming. Then the researchers told the participants that the solution to global warming is to regulate industrial pollution. Many in the individualistic group then rejected the climate science. But when more nuclear power was offered as the solution, says Braman, “they said, you know, it turns out global warming is a serious problem.”
And for the communitarians, climate danger seemed less serious if the only solution was more nuclear power. npr.org
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:34:04pm |
re: #10 austin_blue
Yeah, but I’ll still have more fun in Vegas… a guy could have a heck of a time with that stuff…
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:34:22pm |
re: #9 keloyd
Someone has compromised the purity of Glenn Beck’s precious bodily fluids.
I guess something was slipped into his grain alcohol.
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darthstar Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:34:26pm |
re: #7 iceweasel
The purges will continue until purity is assured.
The purges will continue until there are 30 million parties of one.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:36:42pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
If Glen Beck ends up saying AGW is real, then Ludwig will be doing one of the biggest end zone dances in LGF history. And both those things will be Good Things.
huh?…really?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:36:58pm |
re: #13 jaunte
I’m always suspicious of Steppenwolf studies.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:37:00pm |
I just found the anti-Lincoln speech at CPAC….
Freedom Watch Live At CPAC, Part 1
Guests discuss the nation’s history, decline of civil liberties
video.foxnews.com
Glenn Beck’s backup host, Andrew Napalitano, is the moderator. The crowd cheers when they call Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant. Lot’s of Bush bashing too.
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avanti Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:37:33pm |
I think Beck accidentally forgets his stage persona in a interview and goes sane for a few minutes.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:37:44pm |
re: #7 iceweasel
The purges will continue until purity is assured.
We don’t need no stinkin’ purges - we just bully people until they splutter and curse like sailors.
And thus is false sanctity exposed.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:37:51pm |
re: #14 lawhawk
Yeah, but I’ll still have more fun in Vegas… a guy could have a heck of a time with that stuff…
A hunnerd dollers in gold, a hunnerd dollers in rubles, combination Rooshin dictionary and bible…
Classic scene.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:38:23pm |
re: #21 Cato the Elder
We don’t need no stinkin’ purges - we just bully people until they splutter and curse like sailors.
And thus is false sanctity exposed.
Hello, Dear Cato-bot. Good to see you. :)
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:38:27pm |
OT:
Islamic Jihad has joined with Hamas and Fatah in warning of terror attacks against Israel following Israel’s decision to include the Cave of Machpellah among Israel’s natural heritage sites.
Think about it. These terrorists want to start a war with Israel because Israel wants to protect a Jewish heritage site.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:38:30pm |
I read that Sunday paper where it mentioned that about global warming, but I thought it was talked about here already. One thing this article doesn’t have (that I noticed) was the part where he said he was turning into Jabba the Hutt. He said his doctor said he didn’t think he had seen anyone with less muscle mass, and Beck said, “It’s true. I’m made of pudding.”
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:40:51pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I just found the anti-Lincoln speech at CPAC…
Freedom Watch Live At CPAC, Part 1
Guests discuss the nation’s history, decline of civil liberties
[Link: video.foxnews.com…]
Glenn Beck’s backup host, Andrew Napalitano, is the moderator. The crowd cheers when they call Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant. Lot’s of Bush bashing too.
Hey look! Another all-white audience too. Surprise!
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:40:52pm |
re: #21 Cato the Elder
We don’t need no stinkin’ purges - we just bully people until they splutter and curse like sailors.
And thus is false sanctity exposed.
Cato! Able to get out and about? My sister in Ellicot City is still having trouble in her ‘hood. Passable but treacherous.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:42:27pm |
re: #24 lawhawk
OT:
Islamic Jihad has joined with Hamas and Fatah in warning of terror attacks against Israel following Israel’s decision to include the Cave of Machpellah among Israel’s natural heritage sites.Think about it. These terrorists want to start a war with Israel because Israel wants to protect a Jewish heritage site.
Hmmmm…does Islam claim it, too, or are they just pissed because it’s in East ‘Salem?
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:42:45pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
This anti-Lincoln thing to me is the nuttiest and most offensive thing that occurred at CPAC. Not a single lefty blog bothered to expose it but it’s proudly posted on Fox News. Idiots.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:43:01pm |
re: #24 lawhawk
OT:
Islamic Jihad has joined with Hamas and Fatah in warning of terror attacks against Israel following Israel’s decision to include the Cave of Machpellah among Israel’s natural heritage sites.Think about it. These terrorists want to start a war with Israel because Israel wants to protect a Jewish heritage site.
In their mind all relevant Jewish history was supplanted by Islam. Its their own version of Replacement Theology.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:43:51pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Hey look! Another all-white audience too. Surprise!
Much younger than the normal crowd at CPAC. Some of those kids look like they’re still in high school.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:44:29pm |
re: #26 jaunte
Oh, sorry: Any study that says, “People divide up into two groups”. Steppenwolf, the book, for the first half of it talks about the duality of man, and then declares it utter bullshit. It’s fun.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:44:41pm |
you have to stay on top of your game…Beck, Malkin and all the rest have to stay in the heat….controversy, inflammatory rhetoric, the rush to have the first word…these are their tools of the trade…keep it moving, keep your name up there, keep pushing, non of it has to make any sense as long as you keep yourself on the edge….$$$$
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:45:15pm |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Much younger than the normal crowd at CPAC. Some of those kids look like they’re still in high school.
Or junior high. I can’t believe the carp they’re saying… CKKKAP
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Charles Johnson Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:45:15pm |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Much younger than the normal crowd at CPAC. Some of those kids look like they’re still in high school.
The Ron Paul cult is pretty good at hoodwinking gullible young people.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:45:34pm |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Much younger than the normal crowd at CPAC. Some of those kids look like they’re still in high school.
cuttings
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:45:46pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I just found the anti-Lincoln speech at CPAC…
Freedom Watch Live At CPAC, Part 1
Guests discuss the nation’s history, decline of civil liberties
[Link: video.foxnews.com…]
Glenn Beck’s backup host, Andrew Napalitano, is the moderator. The crowd cheers when they call Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant. Lot’s of Bush bashing too.
That will be a painful watch. The Lincoln hating gets to me, and I’ve been through it in the past and found there is no talking or reasoning with that. So I’ll save it for after dinner. Don’t want to have the dry heaves.
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:45:53pm |
re: #3 darthstar
Noo! I don’t want Glenn Beck on the right side of this issue. He’ll just fuck it up and turn the country against the planet. Keep being a denier, Glenn…it suits your stupid persona.
Yeah - stick with the stupid, Beck. For all our sakes.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:46:00pm |
re: #32 Killgore Trout
Much younger than the normal crowd at CPAC. Some of those kids look like they’re still in high school.
Explains the Paul vote too. Lot of young glibertarians attended.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:46:02pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
Light humor break:
Whitest Kids U Know (Very appropriate) Lincoln Sketch.
Note, foul language, hammers, asses.
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jaunte Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:46:32pm |
re: #33 Obdicut
Ah, ok, yes that split is probably a vast oversimplification. I thought what it says about the way people begin to accept new information based on their old preferences is interesting.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:46:49pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
“Lincoln murdered 700,000 people.”
What horseshit revisionism. Lincoln gave his life to defend freedom and America’s core values and these scum throw mud at hit. It just sickens me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:47:05pm |
From teh “article”:
The kinder, gentler, greener and warmer side of Beck, known as a firebrand conservative, came to light in an interview in USA Weekend, which is distributed through more than 600 newspapers.
That’s the problem, right there. If certain types of conservatives/republicans get angry at Beck for “leaving the reservation” as it were, they only have themselves to blame for not listening to him more closely.
Beck himself has stated he’s a libertarian, he was never on the “conservative/republican reservation” to begin with.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:47:08pm |
re: #37 Charles
The Ron Paul cult is pretty good at hoodwinking gullible young people.
Everyone I know who is a Ron Paul fan is a college kid.
I don’t get it.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:47:27pm |
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:47:52pm |
re: #45 Slumbering Behemoth
From teh “article”:
That’s the problem, right there. If certain types of conservatives/republicans get angry at Beck for “leaving the reservation” as it were, they only have themselves to blame for not listening to him more closely.
Beck himself has stated he’s a libertarian, he was never on the “conservative/republican reservation” to begin with.
Plus he’s bat-shit crazy…
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:48:21pm |
re: #39 Silvergirl
That will be a painful watch. The Lincoln hating gets to me, and I’ve been through it in the past and found there is no talking or reasoning with that. So I’ll save it for after dinner. Don’t want to have the dry heaves.
no big deal…they have no clue, just going through the initiation rites, learning the chants and rally calls…history is dead and you can’t stop it
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jaunte Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:48:27pm |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
I think part of his popularity is from the pro-legal-marijuana group.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:48:59pm |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
Everyone I know who is a Ron Paul fan is a college kid.
I don’t get it.
Cause they have those cool ‘Reloveution’ signs!
//
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:49:30pm |
re: #50 jaunte
And a lot of young privileged white kids who would rather not admit they’re privileged, in my experience.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:49:31pm |
re: #48 rwdflynavy
Plus he’s bat-shit crazy…
Why do people continue to insult bat-shit? It’s a great organic fertilizer!
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:50:16pm |
re: #54 austin_blue
Why do people continue to insult bat-shit? It’s a great organic fertilizer!
plus you can make gun-powder from it…
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:50:18pm |
re: #28 austin_blue
Cato! Able to get out and about? My sister in Ellicot City is still having trouble in her ‘hood. Passable but treacherous.
We had rain, lots of it, here in B-more last night. Washed away about 80% of the remaining snow. Except for the giant plow-piles.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:50:53pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
“Lincoln murdered 700,000 people.”
Let’s not forget how Napolitano got his face on television. That would be Fox News and Roger Aisles the latter of which worked with Lee Atwater in carving out the Southern Strategy which later morphed to states rights.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:50:56pm |
re: #48 rwdflynavy
You win the thread with your avatar alone. Excellent choice.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:14pm |
Second Whitest Kids Lincoln sketch:
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:40pm |
re: #58 Slumbering Behemoth
You win the thread with your avatar alone. Excellent choice.
Thank you kind sir!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:41pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
We had rain, lots of it, here in B-more last night. Washed away about 80% of the remaining snow. Except for the giant plow-piles.
check out this bad boy….you might get nicked
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:44pm |
re: #50 jaunte
I think part of his popularity is from the pro-legal-marijuana group.
I’m smoking weed right now and I don’t see the appeal.
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Soap_Man Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:47pm |
re: #46 reine.de.tout
Everyone I know who is a Ron Paul fan is a college kid.
I don’t get it.
I think many are initially attracted to his rabid anti-war stance. That’s the hook.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:51:56pm |
re: #37 Charles
The Ron Paul cult is pretty good at hoodwinking gullible young people.
That “Reloveution” dodge sucked a lot of people in.
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:52:06pm |
re: #29 austin_blue
Rachel’s Tomb is in Bethlehem. Cave of Machpellah (Tomb of the Patriarchs) is in Hebron. Both are in the West Bank.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:52:47pm |
re: #55 rwdflynavy
plus you can make gun-powder from it…
You betcha! A little ground charcoal, a little elemental sulfur….
You can shoot a sentient dinosaur with that stuff, eh, Kirk?
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The Yankee Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:53:25pm |
It seems like they are going the direction of the USSR after 1989 if you are not don’t agree with me 98% of the time you are not one of us.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:53:57pm |
re: #66 austin_blue
You betcha! A little ground charcoal, a little elemental sulfur…
You can shoot a sentient dinosaur with that stuff, eh, Kirk?
We need to turn Beck loose with the bat-shit crazy = bat shit = gun powder = reloveution!!! It’s the new conspiracy theory!!!
//
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:54:42pm |
re: #35 Killgore Trout
“Lincoln murdered 700,000 people.”
“Lincoln’s war against the southern states was treasonous”.
good gawd.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:54:52pm |
re: #61 albusteve
check out this bad boy…you might get nicked
[Link: www.accuweather.com…]
Nah - Maryland’s northeastern corner might get some snowfall, but the “paralyzing” bit looks to miss us completely.
And the forecasts have gotten so good in recent years, I’m not even going to go buy more salt.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:55:30pm |
re: #61 albusteve
check out this bad boy…you might get nicked
[Link: www.accuweather.com…]
Gah! That’s the front that came through here today. It’s packing a shitpot of moisture. We got an inch of rain and then 3” of snow at my house. Didn’t last.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:55:37pm |
re: #69 reine.de.tout
“Lincoln’s war against the southern states was treasonous”.
good gawd.
Slavery was bad, M’kay?
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The Yankee Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:55:37pm |
re: #37 Charles
The Ron Paul cult is pretty good at hoodwinking gullible young people.
I think the Ron Paul movement got allot of youths interested with the whole legalize drugs get the military out of all foreign countries b.s. he mentions when ever he is with in 3 feet of Bill Mahor.
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:56:51pm |
re: #30 Killgore Trout
This anti-Lincoln thing to me is the nuttiest and most offensive thing that occurred at CPAC. Not a single lefty blog bothered to expose it but it’s proudly posted on Fox News. Idiots.
I can’t watch any more of that.
Those people are batshit crazy.
They are rewriting history.
Gah.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:57:16pm |
re: #74 reine.de.tout
It really is very, very Soviet.
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rwdflynavy Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:57:26pm |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey y’all!
What’d Lincoln do?
Lead the Northern War of Aggression.
//
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:57:36pm |
“You’d be an idiot not to notice the temperature change”
Glenn Beck
It’s good to see he’s grasped the concept.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:57:50pm |
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elizajane Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:58:08pm |
I saw this linked elsewhere and thought, brilliant, this will confuse the wingnuts.
But in a sense it doesn’t surprise me. Beck is a loose canon. You never know which way he’s going to explode. That’s why he’ll never really have the power, or the cult following, of Rush. Rush is horribly consistent. You know he has a completely formed hate-filled philosophy and brings it to bear on every topic. Beck? Not so much. That’s why David Frum (wasn’t it?) speculated that Beck might not really believe what he says, whereas Rush definitely does.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:58:16pm |
re: #71 austin_blue
Gah! That’s the front that came through here today. It’s packing a shitpot of moisture. We got an inch of rain and then 3” of snow at my house. Didn’t last.
nothing like that ever happens down here…inclement weather just seems to ignore us…we are like the ho hum region of the country
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lawhawk Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:58:33pm |
re: #71 austin_blue
Ah, a blizzard for the NYC metro area, Hudson River Valley up to Albany and into the NE. Woot.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:58:52pm |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Saved an innocent man from being hung, according to John Ford, in the excellent, excellent film Young Mr. Lincoln
I hear he did other stuff later, too.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:58:59pm |
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Blue Point Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:59:00pm |
ProGRAM! GETCHER PROgram HEEER! PROGRAM! Who GOES unda the WHHEEELLSSS NeXXXT? PROGRAM!
//®
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:59:13pm |
re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hey y’all!
What’d Lincoln do?
Declared martial law and conscripted thousands of poor northerners to fight his war of federal hegemony.
I’m pretty good at this. I need a blog.
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:59:20pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I just found the anti-Lincoln speech at CPAC…
Freedom Watch Live At CPAC, Part 1
Guests discuss the nation’s history, decline of civil liberties
[Link: video.foxnews.com…]
Glenn Beck’s backup host, Andrew Napalitano, is the moderator. The crowd cheers when they call Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant. Lot’s of Bush bashing too.
They’re cheering for secession. Patriots!
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:59:26pm |
re: #2 iceweasel
But does Beck hate teh ghey sufficiently? Since that’s the real deal breaker now.
I think this freakout from SoCons is good news. It means they are getting desperate at seeing their issues take a back seat.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 6:59:52pm |
I think what it is about Paul that attracts many young people is the idea of the government leaving you alone. What they don’t realize is that there are so many things that are part of our every day lives that are due to what would be called socialism or government intervention. I’ve always been pretty economically to the left so Paul never really had much appeal with me personally. His supporters I’ve found to be jerks honestly.
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:00:13pm |
re: #80 elizajane
I saw this linked elsewhere and thought, brilliant, this will confuse the wingnuts.
But in a sense it doesn’t surprise me. Beck is a loose canon. You never know which way he’s going to explode. That’s why he’ll never really have the power, or the cult following, of Rush. Rush is horribly consistent. You know he has a completely formed hate-filled philosophy and brings it to bear on every topic. Beck? Not so much. That’s why David Frum (wasn’t it?) speculated that Beck might not really believe what he says, whereas Rush definitely does.
Beck believes in Beck.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:01:03pm |
re: #86 Jeff In Ohio
Declared martial law and conscripted thousands of poor northerners to fight his war of federal hegemony.
I’m pretty good at this. I need a blog.
ever heard of Camp Douglass?
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:01:51pm |
re: #90 BryanS
Beck believes in Beck.
Glenn Beck can be so very funny when he is just riffing on some offhand topic, like his near total lack of knowledge of sports.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:02:04pm |
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:02:31pm |
re: #69 reine.de.tout
“Lincoln’s war against the southern states was treasonous”.
good gawd.
It’s amazing to watch. I wonder what happens when those kids go back to school with their alternative history.
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:01pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:02pm |
re: #92 Taqyia2Me
Glenn Beck can be so very funny when he is just riffing on some offhand topic, like his near total lack of knowledge of sports.
I thought he was pretty funny at the CPAC gig….he’s got his thing down tight
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:17pm |
re: #91 albusteve
ever heard of Camp Douglass?
Is that near Camp Ramapo? We sang Christian songs there one year, it was quite moving. Later, I joined an evangelical youth group. In the end it seems the only thing we had in common were hard ons.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #88 BryanS
I think this freakout from SoCons is good news. It means they are getting desperate at seeing their issues take a back seat.
Sort of….it’s the last stand of the old culture warriors. We’ll see a lot of homophobia breaking out on the right this year for that reason. DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, etc.
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The Yankee Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:26pm |
re: #89 HappyWarrior
I think what people forget is the one thing worst then Big Government (which is bad), is Big Business. They are suppose to counter each other now they are simply helping each other out.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:31pm |
American Idol is over.. I’m first voting for #10 Magnus.. She sang Wicked game and stunned the house..Just genius..I have never heard a girl cover that song in my life..It’s a guy song..She ripped it off big time..
And #11.. She is the closest thing I’ve ever heard to Cheryl Crow..Amazing talent.. Frankly..The rest kindof sucked…Everybody said the girls group was really strong this year..Not after tonight….2 girls stood out..The rest not so much…
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:50pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
It’s amazing to watch. I wonder what happens when those kids go back to school with their alternative history.
the teachers will leap for joy!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:03:50pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #73 The Yankee
I think the Ron Paul movement got allot of youths interested with the whole legalize drugs get the military out of all foreign countries b.s. he mentions when ever he is with in 3 feet of Bill Mahor.
He’s Bill Maher’s favorite right-of-center person. Partly because he makes right of center look bad.
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Taqyia2Me Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:04:47pm |
re: #96 albusteve
I thought he was pretty funny at the CPAC gig…he’s got his thing down tight
I just happened to be able to follow the blog stream here a bit, did not actually hear him speak.
Hearing him talk about pro football is almost as funny as talking with my wife!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:05:05pm |
Abraham Lincoln was killed by Indians.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:05:10pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
It’s amazing to watch. I wonder what happens when those kids go back to school with their alternative history.
I couldn’t believe my ears. That video was like the right-wing version of Howard Zinn. Lincoln “the murderer,” US imperialism, general anti-war rhetoric especially regarding the Taliban, etc. All under the noses of CPAC.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:05:11pm |
re: #3 darthstar
Noo! I don’t want Glenn Beck on the right side of this issue. He’ll just fuck it up and turn the country against the planet. Keep being a denier, Glenn…it suits your stupid persona.
I’m just afraid of what Beck followers will be like if they go green.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:05:37pm |
Beck may be wavering on AGW, but I bet he still hates frogs.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:06:03pm |
So Smoky is shacked up with Claire, good on him. But she has developed a temper.
Jack has smashed the mirrors, he also has a temper. Interesting.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:06:06pm |
re: #24 lawhawk
OT:
Islamic Jihad has joined with Hamas and Fatah in warning of terror attacks against Israel following Israel’s decision to include the Cave of Machpellah among Israel’s natural heritage sites.Think about it. These terrorists want to start a war with Israel because Israel wants to protect a Jewish heritage site.
This from the jihadist wing of Islam that blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas, and destroyed the Bahai temple in Iran.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:06:13pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:06:41pm |
re: #104 Taqyia2Me
I just happened to be able to follow the blog stream here a bit, did not actually hear him speak.
Hearing him talk about pro football is almost as funny as talking with my wife!
I hit the football jackpot with my third wife…she absolutely loved the game and learned how it’s played and was a lot of fun
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:06:52pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Beck may be wavering on AGW, but I bet he still hates frogs.
I think I’d like to infiltrate a Westboro Church protest with a sign saying God Hates Frogs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:07:22pm |
re: #24 lawhawk
OT:
Islamic Jihad has joined with Hamas and Fatah in warning of terror attacks against Israel following Israel’s decision to include the Cave of Machpellah among Israel’s natural heritage sites.Think about it. These terrorists want to start a war with Israel because Israel wants to protect a Jewish heritage site.
Machpelah and Kever Rachel were both put on the list.
And now the world will whine about it.
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elizajane Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:07:45pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Beck may be wavering on AGW, but I bet he still hates frogs.
But frogs will be the fist victims of AGW! Or do we refer here to the French?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:07:49pm |
re: #111 austin_blue
The north’s Douglassville?
pretty awful place…seems like Lincoln could have prevented such an atrocity
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:07:50pm |
re: #99 The Yankee
I think what people forget is the one thing worst then Big Government (which is bad), is Big Business. They are suppose to counter each other now they are simply helping each other out.
You got a great point here.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:08:12pm |
re: #116 albusteve
pretty awful place…seems like Lincoln could have prevented such an atrocity
“seems like”
lol
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:08:42pm |
re: #113 iceweasel
I think I’d like to infiltrate a Westboro Church protest with a sign saying God Hates Frogs.
The Chapel of Hate?
Can you imagine how Embarrassed God is?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:08:50pm |
re: #116 albusteve
pretty awful place…seems like Lincoln could have prevented such an atrocity
Fox News completely ignored it because he was a Republican.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:09:14pm |
Federalism can be out of control sometimes but if it wasn’t for Federalism this nation would be a banana country.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:09:18pm |
re: #115 elizajane
But frogs will be the fist victims of AGW! Or do we refer here to the French?
Tossup.
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:09:28pm |
re: #98 iceweasel
Sort of…it’s the last stand of the old culture warriors. We’ll see a lot of homophobia breaking out on the right this year for that reason. DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, etc.
Yes, but it’s looking more and more like it is a last stand. Now a foe can often be most dangerous right before its downfall as it recognizes its impending defeat, but I think it’s dawning on the SoCons the gay issue is on its way to being lost for them.
Moreover, I really am sensing among Republicans a strong will to accept a broader base. Yes, I know it doesn’t seem that way. But you have to look at races in context. Scott Brown will not be pilloried for his recent support of the jobs bill. He even had the backing of DeMint. DeMint may be far right, but he’s not stupid enough to no know what he was supporting. The New York special election was a case where the person running on the R ticket did not reflect the majority of the districts Republican voters.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:09:48pm |
re: #27 Gus 802
Hey look! Another all-white audience too. Surprise!
Look. They’re not doing it on purpose. People who aren’t white are FREE TO ATTEND. The anti-Lincoln people would LOVE to have them. For some reason, they all keep making excuses about washing their hair. Or walking their dogs. Or sudden business appointments in Vladivostok. Or they just make it to the three-minute mark and throw up on Napolitano’s shoes.
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:10:04pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
Beck may be wavering on AGW, but I bet he still hates frogs.
nothing like a little pad thai and red pepper sauce up the nose
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:10:13pm |
re: #113 iceweasel
I think I’d like to infiltrate a Westboro Church protest with a sign saying God Hates Frogs.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:10:36pm |
re: #123 BryanS
I think you’re more optimistic than I am. I don’t see the GOP pulling out of their tailspin til 2012— if then.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:10:52pm |
re: #121 Gus 802
They also don’t see the irony by claiming that a war to end slavery somehow was the end of freedom in America.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:11:01pm |
So, since denouncing Abe and Teddy has become sport for this new right wing? When do they come out and start denouncing Eisenhower as Democratic lite for not destroying the New Deal and for not blowing up Russia?
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:11:09pm |
re: #119 HoosierHoops
The Chapel of Hate?
Can you imagine how Embarrassed God is?
Yep. Reminds me of this:
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:11:14pm |
re: #111 austin_blue
The north’s Douglassville?
And it was located in Chicago. I saw a History Channel special about it on Sunday.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:11:23pm |
re: #29 austin_blue
Hmmm…does Islam claim it, too, or are they just pissed because it’s in East ‘Salem?
It’s the 528,072nd holiest site of Islam, and must therefore be free of the polluting presence of Joooosss.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:12:48pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
They think his brand of Libertarianism gives them an out when it comes to screwing and toking.
Like they need an ancient doddering fool behind them to carry on with those projects.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:12:50pm |
re: #109 Bagua
Not everyone here lives in the same timezone, buddy. Stow that crap or use a ***SPOILER ALERT***
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:12:57pm |
re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist
Look. They’re not doing it on purpose. People who aren’t white are FREE TO ATTEND. The anti-Lincoln people would LOVE to have them. For some reason, they all keep making excuses about washing their hair. Or walking their dogs. Or sudden business appointments in Vladivostok. Or they just make it to the three-minute mark and throw up on Napolitano’s shoes.
Of course they’re free to attend. The point is that it exclusively attracts whites because CPAC and the associated sideshows, such as Napolitano’s, speak exclusively to “nativist white interests.”
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:13:00pm |
re: #123 BryanS
Scott Brown will not be pilloried for his recent support of the jobs bill. He even had the backing of DeMint.
Brown weaseled a bit on it, but he did do the “gay marriage is settled law” thing, and he is pro-choice. Yes, it’s MA, but I wonder how many tea partiers know their Republican comeback started with a guy ok with gay marriage and abortion.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:13:17pm |
Napalitano claims that FDR was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor (Part 2, 3:30)
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:13:33pm |
re: #133 The Sanity Inspector
It’s the 528,072nd holiest site of Islam, and must therefore be free of the polluting presence of Jooosss.
Sure you’re not thinking of ‘Salem’s Lot?
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:13:57pm |
Oh, becky louuuu….
The son of a leading Hamas figure, who famously converted to Christianity, served for over a decade as the Shin Bet security service’s most valuable source in the militant organization’s leadership, Haaretz has learned.
Mosab Hassan Yousef is the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, a Hamas founder and one of its leaders in the West Bank. The intelligence he supplied Israel led to the exposure of a number of terrorist cells, and to the prevention of dozens of suicide bombings and assassination attempts on Israeli figures.
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:14:42pm |
re: #127 iceweasel
I think you’re more optimistic than I am. I don’t see the GOP pulling out of their tailspin til 2012— if then.
It will take the right fit of a leader to emerge. The politics of the moment could still change, and the Rs could take over one of more houses and just f things up. Anyone that might be a leader now, probably won’t be the one to lead. Seems like they tend to crop up out of nowhere. SoCons could also regain influence again once Republicans increase their numbers, fouling up the party again.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:14:46pm |
re: #135 Slumbering Behemoth
Not everyone here lives in the same timezone, buddy. Stow that crap or use a ***SPOILER ALERT***
OOPs, sorry.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:14:58pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Napalitano claims that FDR was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor (Part 2, 3:30)
she attended public schools I imagine
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:15:07pm |
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:15:37pm |
re: #144 albusteve
she attended public schools I imagine
Not she. He’s talking about Fox New Corporation’s Andrew Napolitano.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:15:48pm |
re: #143 Bagua
Do it again and I will pee in your mailbox!
/
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:15:53pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:14pm |
re: #29 austin_blue
Hmmm…does Islam claim it, too, or are they just pissed because it’s in East ‘Salem?
Islam considers the site religiously important because Machpelah is the burial place of Abraham. They’ve honored it for centuries, building a mosque over the caves, and, unfortunately, forbidding Jews to pray there for at least part of the time Muslims controlled the area. (Not sure about pre-twentieth century.) The father of a woman I know grew up in a Jewish family in Baghdad. His father used to take the trip to Hebron each year to pray near the Tomb of the Patriarchs, but was not permitted to actually go into the complex.
In addition, there’s been a developing trend of Palestinian denial of Jewish connection to various holy and historic sites, plus there’s the land control issue.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:22pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
Not she. He’s talking about Fox New Corporation’s Andrew Napolitano.
I know, I goofed
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:24pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
News damn it. What is it with me missing my “s” key all the time.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:39pm |
re: #148 albusteve
Andrew Napalitano, Fox news presenter.
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Jimmah Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:54pm |
Virginia State Delegate Bob Marshall : Disabled children are ‘vengeance’ from nature For abortion :
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:16:57pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:17:05pm |
re: #142 BryanS
It will take the right fit of a leader to emerge. The politics of the moment could still change, and the Rs could take over one of more houses and just f things up. Anyone that might be a leader now, probably won’t be the one to lead. Seems like they tend to crop up out of nowhere. SoCons could also regain influence again once Republicans increase their numbers, fouling up the party again.
We’ll see. Everything changes. Especially the political climate.
For now the GOP has deliberately decided to run with the socons and theocrats and they appear to not care about the demographics.
Nonetheless I fully expect them to make electoral gains in the midterms. And the bottom line for 2012 nationally will be, as it always is, the economy.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:17:08pm |
re: #119 HoosierHoops
The Chapel of Hate?
Can you imagine how Embarrassed God is?
Its continued existence (it’s in Tornado Alley!) reinforces my Deism. An active God would have scraped it off the map.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:17:47pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Islam considers the site religiously important because Machpelah is the burial place of Abraham. They’ve honored it for centuries, building a mosque over the caves, and, unfortunately, forbidding Jews to pray there for at least part of the time Muslims controlled the area. (Not sure about pre-twentieth century.) The father of a woman I know grew up in a Jewish family in Baghdad. His father used to take the trip to Hebron each year to pray near the Tomb of the Patriarchs, but was not permitted to actually go into the complex.
In addition, there’s been a developing trend of Palestinian denial of Jewish connection to various holy and historic sites, plus there’s the land control issue.
Muslims never cared about the Tomb of Rachel. The Ottoman rulers allowed Sir Moses Montefiore to build a shrine on the site. They would have never allowed it if the site had any significance for Muslims.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:18:10pm |
re: #154 Killgore Trout
Andrew Napalitano, Fox news presenter.
my cynicism overwhelms me sometimes…they all look the same to me
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:18:12pm |
Oh the FDR let Pearl Harbor happen, it’s the original LIHOP. Well that crazy DVD Zeigeist claims new target of hatred, Woodrow Wilson let the Lusitiana be sunk.
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:18:19pm |
re: #137 torrentprime
Brown weaseled a bit on it, but he did do the “gay marriage is settled law” thing, and he is pro-choice. Yes, it’s MA, but I wonder how many tea partiers know their Republican comeback started with a guy ok with gay marriage and abortion.
I saw a lot of people on Hot Air commenting on the eve of his election that they don’t expect to count on him for a lot of issues. They want to see him vote the party way on health care, just about anything else will be tolerated.
Hell, if he wasn’t such a douche having ticked off his previous party, even Spector would find it not too much difficulty in being a Republican these days.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:18:48pm |
re: #77 rwdflynavy
Lead the Northern War of Aggression.
//
That’s “The War of Northern Aggression”, IIRC.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:19:49pm |
re: #162 HappyWarrior
Oh the FDR let Pearl Harbor happen, it’s the original LIHOP. Well that crazy DVD Zeigeist claims new target of hatred, Woodrow Wilson let the Lusitiana be sunk.
and the Gulf of Tonkin set up…that was good for a few million
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:21:06pm |
re: #91 albusteve
ever heard of Camp Douglass?
Yes.
But I don’t think any of these people were out in front of Zombie’s camera protesting about Abu Ghraib, so I call shenanigans if they’re seriously pissed off about that.
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:21:06pm |
re: #156 Jimmah
Virginia State Delegate Bob Marshall : Disabled children are ‘vengeance’ from nature For abortion :
[Video]
Oh for Pete’s sake.
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:21:16pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Napalitano claims that FDR was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor (Part 2, 3:30)
Isn’t that the original stupidass conspiracy theory?
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BryanS Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:21:33pm |
re: #158 iceweasel
We’ll see. Everything changes. Especially the political climate.
For now the GOP has deliberately decided to run with the socons and theocrats and they appear to not care about the demographics.Nonetheless I fully expect them to make electoral gains in the midterms. And the bottom line for 2012 nationally will be, as it always is, the economy.
I’d like to see the SoCons go down in flames. As long as our deficit and spending crisis is so huge, that will sharpen attentions to fiscal conservatism among all factions of the right.
It seems that when things are going hunky dory, the SoCons crawl out of the woodwork to tout their pet issues. Don’t think the Republicans can afford that kind of diversion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:21:34pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
It’s amazing to watch. I wonder what happens when those kids go back to school with their alternative history.
Nothing good. We have a youthful Paulbot at my school.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:22:05pm |
re: #98 iceweasel
Sort of…it’s the last stand of the old culture warriors. We’ll see a lot of homophobia breaking out on the right this year for that reason. DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, etc.
I get culture war migraines.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:22:21pm |
re: #168 albusteve
and the Gulf of Tonkin set up…that was good for a few million
Oh yeah that too. The thing I remember most about that documentary was the Congressman from Pennsylvania who railed against the Fed who they make out to be this great hero, Louis MacFadden was one of the House’s biggest anti semites and apologists for Hitler.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:22:33pm |
re: #171 cliffster
Isn’t that the original stupidass conspiracy theory?
I hadn’t heard of that one before.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:23:28pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:23:33pm |
re: #166 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s “The War of Northern Aggression”, IIRC.
yep, the Triumph of the Tacos…that one
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:24:23pm |
re: #136 Gus 802
Of course they’re free to attend. The point is that it exclusively attracts whites because CPAC and the associated sideshows, such as Napolitano’s, speak exclusively to “nativist white interests.”
I was trying to be funny. The key words to clue you in to that were ‘Vladivostok’ and ‘throwing up’.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:24:47pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Napalitano claims that FDR was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor (Part 2, 3:30)
OK—what the fuck IS it with these people?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:24:57pm |
re: #171 cliffster
Isn’t that the original stupidass conspiracy theory?
the incident is ripe for conspiracy theories, you have to admit
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:25:01pm |
re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist
I was trying to be funny. The key words to clue you in to that were ‘Vladivostok’ and ‘throwing up’.
I know. I’m tired and my neck is acting up again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:25:33pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Napalitano claims that FDR was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor (Part 2, 3:30)
“But did we give up after FDR bombed Pearl Harbor?”
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:25:52pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
OK—what the fuck IS it with these people?
They have an alternate reality.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:26:01pm |
re: #146 Gus 802
Not she. He’s talking about Fox New Corporation’s Andrew Napolitano.
Thank God. If it was Janet, we’d have a somewhat bigger problem.
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Stuart Leviton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:26:02pm |
re: #133 The Sanity Inspector
It’s the 528,072nd holiest site of Islam, and must therefore be free of the polluting presence of Jooosss.
Machpella is where Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and Sarah and Leah, the progenitors of Judaism and Islaam are buried.
Netanyahu made a dumb decision to turn over Hebron to the Pals the last time he was in office. I get the feeling Netanyahu is trying to undo his error and to incite the Arabs who in turn will incite we, Jews. It is one way to raise Netanyahu’s polling numbers. So, yes, I am cynical as to his motive though I am also glad he is doing what he is doing.
In the Torah, Machpella - within Hebron - was the first piece of land the Jewish people bought in the land of Canaan. It was to be a burial site. The tradition is that one of the first things a Jew is to do when founding a new town is to build a cemetery. Doing kindness for the dead (emet ve chesed) is one of the highest kindnesses one can do in Judaism because the dead can never return the favor (simplistically stated).
The very first place the Jewish people visited after breaking free of Egyptian slavery was Hebron and Machpella - the story of the regalim. They visited Hebron so as to honor their ancestors.
Machpella is important to the Arabs and Islaam in that they too claim to descend from Abraham. The Arabs claim is that Abraham converted to Islaam before he died - even though Islaam wouldn’t arrive for another several thousand years. The Arab claim is that Abraham traveled to Saudi Arabia at one point of his life and purified the kaabah, the big rock in Mecca.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:26:03pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
OK—what the fuck IS it with these people?
they are unique…they get attention…it will get worse
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:26:13pm |
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SteveC Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:26:25pm |
re: #184 SanFranciscoZionistlittlegreenfootballs.com
“But did we give up after FDR bombed Pearl Harbor?”
“FDR?”
“He’s rollin’.”
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:27:14pm |
re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist
“But did we give up after FDR bombed Pearl Harbor?”
FDR was a Nazi?….I thought so!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:27:44pm |
re: #159 austin_blue
Its continued existence (it’s in Tornado Alley!) reinforces my Deism. An active God would have scraped it off the map.
Have you considered that God might be completely fascinated by it? Or that God might just keep giving Phelps opportunities to repent, in ongoing amazement at the man’s ability to keep going?
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:28:12pm |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
I hadn’t heard of that one before.
Really? I’ve been hearing that shit since I was in high school.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:28:15pm |
re: #164 darthstar
We’ve been expecting you, Mr. Bond
Pardon my silent friend with the gun
You are a most extraodinary man
Time and again you have upset my plan
You’re reputation preceeds you
And though Her Majesty needs you,
Put down your weapon and put up your hands, Mr. Bond
We’ve been expecting you, Msr. Bond
You must be weary. Why not sit down?
You’re quite the Bon Vivant, so I’ve heard
You like your martini shaken, not stirred
You’re reputation preceeds you
And though Her Majesty needs you,
Do you have any clever last words, Mr. Bond?
So, Mr. Bond, we finally meet
Here in my fortress retreat
Pity you won’t have time to stay
I admire you perseverence, but this is your last interference
I could shoot you right now, but no!
Hahahahaaaa…there’s a better way!
We’ve been expecting you, Mr. Bond
Looks as if all your luck is finally gone
You single-handedly outwit my guards,
Make love to my woman, beat me at cards
Your reputation preceeds you
And though Her Majesty needs you,
You are facing impossible odds!
Mr. Bond, it’s time for you to die!
Haaahaaahaaahaaahaaa……
Goodbye, Mr. Bond
haahaahaa….
Aahhaaahhaaaa!
AAAAHHAAAHAAAAAAAAAHAAAAaaaaaaa….!!!!
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SteveC Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:28:20pm |
I’m in Hotlanta to see my Cardiologist tomorrow. Weather forecast: low 30’s in the morning, possible SNOW, no accumulation.
Hotlanta my ass!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:28:32pm |
re: #162 HappyWarrior
Oh the FDR let Pearl Harbor happen, it’s the original LIHOP. Well that crazy DVD Zeigeist claims new target of hatred, Woodrow Wilson let the Lusitiana be sunk.
Let’s take this from a different angle. What U.S. presidents should NOT have been tried for war crimes or high treason?
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:28:44pm |
re: #188 albusteve
they are unique…they get attention…it will get worse
They have internet blogs to give them attention now.
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:29:28pm |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
You never heard that CT? Thats one of the great ones. How about the Lusitania? Another one.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:29:59pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
Let’s take this from a different angle. What U.S. presidents should NOT have been tried for war crimes or high treason?
Andrew Johnson…..
…distant relative. Shout out to my homie Andy J.!
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:27pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
Have you considered that God might be completely fascinated by it? Or that God might just keep giving Phelps opportunities to repent, in ongoing amazement at the man’s ability to keep going?
Not if he (or she or it) is omniscient.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:31pm |
re: #199 Jeff In Ohio
Andrew Johnson…
…distant relative. Shout out to my homie Andy J.!
Yes, but he was actually impeached…
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:31pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
Let’s take this from a different angle. What U.S. presidents should NOT have been tried for war crimes or high treason?
Ha, I’ve heard that Grover Cleveland is real popular in that crowd. Cleveland to me is the ultimate presidential dick. Honest guy by and large from what I know but you don’t dodge the draft and pay for a replacement only to deny veterans their pensions.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:32pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
I know. I’m tired and my neck is acting up again.
What happened to your neck? (apologies if this is too intrusive)
Hope it’s better soon!
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SteveC Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:40pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
Have you considered that God might be completely fascinated by it? Or that God might just keep giving Phelps opportunities to repent, in ongoing amazement at the man’s ability to keep going?
“PETER! Bring me the Red Telephone!”
*Picks up phone, which is a direct line to the Archangel Michael*
“Mike? Fred Phelps. Smite him!”
*Hangs up*
“But sir, if Michael smites him, he will be here in twenty minutes.”
*Yanks up phone* “MIKE! CANCEL THAT LAST ORDER!”
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:43pm |
re: #187 Stuart Leviton
[…] The Arab claim is that Abraham traveled to Saudi Arabia at one point of his life and purified the kaabah, the big rock in Mecca.
Wow, that’s weird, I’m just looking at a picture of the Kaabah because my mate named his event after it, then I look and some-one is talking about the Kaabah here. Right after a Lost episode.
Collective unconscious or something.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:31:56pm |
re: #199 Jeff In Ohio
Andrew Johnson…
…distant relative. Shout out to my homie Andy J.!
He was a vindictive asshole, but the act he was charged with violating was unconstitutional.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:32:17pm |
re: #200 austin_blue
Not if he (or she or it) is omniscient.
All is foreseen, but free will is granted. And Fred Phelps has put his to uses that must boggle even the divine mind.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:32:31pm |
re: #198 Mich-again
You never heard that CT? Thats one of the great ones. How about the Lusitania? Another one.
I’m still waiting on that ship to come in.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:33:04pm |
re: #51 MandyManners
The old joke is libertarians are republicans who want to get high.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:01pm |
And once again watching the far right tear each other apart gives me great schadenfreude. Just tonight, a friend emailed me this piece called Glenn Beck the anti conservative. While I agree with aspects of their critique, they’re also big on being anti science, Islamophobes, and the other memes certified by Fox. They eat their own.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:10pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
Let’s take this from a different angle. What U.S. presidents should NOT have been tried for war crimes or high treason?
I nominate Gerald Ford, never elected, utterly forgettable and didn’t have enough time to truly fuck anything up … beyond the Nixon pardon that is.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:37pm |
re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but he was actually impeached…
well, if your going to start moving the goal posts….
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:40pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
All is foreseen, but free will is granted
Doesn’t explain other forms of evil and suffering, as I am sure you know. Natural disasters, etc. This is the real problem of theodicy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:46pm |
re: #204 SteveC
“PETER! Bring me the Red Telephone!”
*Picks up phone, which is a direct line to the Archangel Michael*
“Mike? Fred Phelps. Smite him!”
*Hangs up*
“But sir, if Michael smites him, he will be here in twenty minutes.”
*Yanks up phone* “MIKE! CANCEL THAT LAST ORDER!”
I was taught not to assume that anyone is in hell who doesn’t choose to be—well, on that side of the family where we believe in hell—but I think that God can count on not having Fred’s company in the hereafter.
For one thing, even if Fred is eligible for heaven, he’s gonna head to hell on his own, just to search out all the people he expects to find there and scream “I told you so!!!”
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:50pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
All is foreseen, but free will is granted. And Fred Phelps has put his to uses that must boggle even the divine mind.
when Phelps is run over by a bus, I may reconsider some divine power
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:56pm |
re: #209 Rightwingconspirator
The old joke is libertarians are republicans who want to get high.
I’m good with that.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:34:58pm |
re: #198 Mich-again
You never heard that CT? Thats one of the great ones. How about the Lusitania? Another one.
I knew that we were flying combat missions against the Japanese over China before Pearl Harbor. I think we also started to tighten their oil supply. Is that what they’re talking about?
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:35:22pm |
re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist
OK—what the fuck IS it with these people?
LOL
I understand we were squeezing the Japanese and they snapped on us..Sure FDR didn’t expect it..How could?
Foreign policy can have as much effect as a 2000lb bomb on a mission..
Look we won’t let any country in the world buy or sell to you….
You damn well be ready for the backlash for that action..If you are really going to stand up to Iran you better have a spine and not one of these..jeez..Why would they ever attack the USA? I can’t imagine what set them off.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:36:00pm |
re: #214 iceweasel
Doesn’t explain other forms of evil and suffering, as I am sure you know. Natural disasters, etc. This is the real problem of theodicy.
I have no answers for theodicy.
I also have no answers for Fred Phelps, who theoretically I should have more in common with than God. Being mammals and all.
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SteveC Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:36:28pm |
re: #216 albusteve
when Phelps is run over by a bus, I may reconsider some divine power
What if Fred isn’t run over by a hydrogen powered bus? :)
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:37:19pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
Andrew Johnson’s Philosophy of Life (runs in that side of the family)
That’s right, I’ll do what I want, bitch.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:37:21pm |
re: #209 Rightwingconspirator
The old joke is libertarians are republicans who want to get high.
“Want to”? I was under the impression some/several of them had successfully brought that dream to life. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:37:46pm |
re: #197 cliffster
They have internet blogs to give them attention now.
And if that isn’t enough attention, they can buy one of those bumper stickers from Whirled Nuts Daily.
Let them know what you really think. Get “Global Warming Is A Hoax” Magnetic/Easy-Off Adhesive Bumper Sticker
I have to say though, what kind of coward gets a magnetic easy-off bumper sticker?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:38:25pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
I knew that we were flying combat missions against the Japanese over China before Pearl Harbor. I think we also started to tighten their oil supply. Is that what they’re talking about?
no, the fact that the isolationists were stronger than FDR who indeed wanted war with Japan (the premise, that it was unavoidable)…the carriers were out to sea etc….he got lucky, more or less…the pilots in China were flying for the Chinese govt, on loan
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:38:33pm |
re: #212 MandyManners
Or hide it. For Conservatives-Drunk is okay stoned Not At All.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:38:35pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
Phelps is one deeply dark soul. There’s not many times that I can say that evil has a face. But he’s one.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:13pm |
The FDR conspiracy theorists act like FDR provoked the Japanese by putting the economic sanctions on Japan totally neglecting the fact that the Japanese were far from innocent.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:27pm |
re: #223 torrentprime
Yeah, it’s just the joint looks funny with the bow tie…
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Stuart Leviton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:30pm |
re: #205 Bagua
Wow, that’s weird, I’m just looking at a picture of the Kaabah because my mate named his event after it, then I look and some-one is talking about the Kaabah here. Right after a Lost episode.
Collective unconscious or something.
That’s wild. BTW, I’m in an alternate universe - wink, wink.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:37pm |
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austin_blue Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:37pm |
re: #207 SanFranciscoZionist
All is foreseen, but free will is granted. And Fred Phelps has put his to uses that must boggle even the divine mind.
God may grant free will by not intervening, but an omniscient God can’t be boggled.
QED
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:39:52pm |
re: #227 Irenicum
Phelps is one deeply dark soul. There’s not many times that I can say that evil has a face. But he’s one.
I feel bad for the little kids (his grandkids) being raised in that crazy cult compound. Breaks my heart to see them carrying those signs.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:40:22pm |
re: #224 Mich-again
I have to say though, what kind of coward gets a magnetic easy-off bumper sticker?
Someone who doesn’t want to hurt their car’s resale value.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:40:39pm |
re: #203 iceweasel
What happened to your neck? (apologies if this is too intrusive)
Hope it’s better soon!
Chronic problem. You know makes cracking noises. Feels warm — like arthritis.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:40:54pm |
re: #228 HappyWarrior
The FDR conspiracy theorists act like FDR provoked the Japanese by putting the economic sanctions on Japan totally neglecting the fact that the Japanese were far from innocent.
20/20 Hindsight said we should have prepared for a backlash…It was a different time…
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:41:10pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
I knew that we were flying combat missions against the Japanese over China before Pearl Harbor. I think we also started to tighten their oil supply. Is that what they’re talking about?
No its more than that. In short, the CT goes that FDR was told that the Japanese were planning an attack, but he refused to take any action and invited the attack to get America behind the war so the US could join in and bail out Papa Joe. The classic-rock CTs were all about the communist influence over American policy. Even the one about Pearl Harbor.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:42:27pm |
re: #219 HoosierHoops
LOL
I understand we were squeezing the Japanese and they snapped on us..Sure FDR didn’t expect it..How could?
Foreign policy can have as much effect as a 2000lb bomb on a mission..
Look we won’t let any country in the world buy or sell to you…
You damn well be ready for the backlash for that action..If you are really going to stand up to Iran you better have a spine and not one of these..jeez..Why would they ever attack the USA? I can’t imagine what set them off.
to impose their will on us, take out our Pacific carriers and make war undesirable…they truly believed we did not have the stomach for war since we would be involved with the fight against Hitler….Yamamoto himself knew better and was opposed to the plan…he knew all about Americans
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:42:54pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
I feel bad for the little kids (his grandkids) being raised in that crazy cult compound. Breaks my heart to see them carrying those signs.
Also, they are not (only) religious zealots. I watched one of the docus on the family, and the kids have learned, almost scarily well, how to balance their beliefs with “getting along with people in the 21st century.” They know what not to say, what will cause problems for them, etc. Part of me thinks that’s great, as they have learned to believe but get along with those who disagree, part of me finds it scary that they have learned such a political game so early.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:43:51pm |
re: #235 Gus 802
My Uncle Ted has a problem with his neck… the muscles in the back of his neck contract and spasm jerking his face skyward.
Was outside a grocery store once having a pretty severe attack (wasn’t real painful) heard a strange voice beside him say, “What in the hell are you looking at?”
Guy had been standing beside him for two minutes looking up into the sky with him.
They had to do some cutting to calm it down. And it did help.
Ted’s funny as hell about it.
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Jeff In Ohio Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:43:59pm |
re: #224 Mich-again
I have to say though, what kind of coward gets a magnetic easy-off bumper sticker?
Someone who plays redneck bars and doesn’t
1. want his car keyed
2. get in fights where I work
3. be bothered while I’m smoking weed between sets
You know, sometimes boys just want to have fun.
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Killgore Trout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:44:30pm |
re: #237 Mich-again
Wow, I hadn’t heard that one before.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:45:16pm |
re: #238 MandyManners
Not for me.
Have to share something in response to the the pro-pot movement on this board.
I had my jaw wired shut today (cue jokes) to heal two breaks, and I’m looking at 6-8 weeks of this mumblemumble crap. I have to admit, medical marijuana is seeming like more and more of a great idea as the day goes on.
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:45:44pm |
re: #240 albusteve
to impose their will on us, take out our Pacific carriers and make war undesirable…they truly believed we did not have the stomach for war since we would be involved with the fight against Hitler…Yamamoto himself knew better and was opposed to the plan…he knew all about Americans
awakening a sleeping giant, and what not
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:45:47pm |
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:46:26pm |
re: #242 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My Uncle Ted has a problem with his neck… the muscles in the back of his neck contract and spasm jerking his face skyward.
Was outside a grocery store once having a pretty severe attack (wasn’t real painful) heard a strange voice beside him say, “What in the hell are you looking at?”
Guy had been standing beside him for two minutes looking up into the sky with him.
They had to do some cutting to calm it down. And it did help.
Ted’s funny as hell about it.
That would be dangerous if one was driving. Glad he’s doing better.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:46:27pm |
re: #230 Stuart Leviton
That’s wild. BTW, I’m in an alternate universe - wink, wink.
Say say you have a Jazz club in Chicago, and you decide to name it the ‘Jazz Kaaba’ (meaning the Jazz place everyone wants to go to) Think anyone would take exception to the name?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:46:33pm |
re: #247 cliffster
awakening a sleeping giant, and what not
that’s what they should have named the first A bomb
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:47:07pm |
re: #240 albusteve
to impose their will on us, take out our Pacific carriers and make war undesirable…they truly believed we did not have the stomach for war since we would be involved with the fight against Hitler…Yamamoto himself knew better and was opposed to the plan…he knew all about Americans
Exactly. Nagumo also knew how strong America could be when angered. The problem for Japan was that to back off in China would have meant openly backing down to foreign pressure and that was seen as an intolerable sign of weakness.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:47:48pm |
re: #233 iceweasel
I agree. back in my undergrad, we ad a similar type visit our school for a fews years going. He would stand between our library and chapel declaring that everybody passing by was going to hell. It woulda been funny if it weren’t for the fact that he often included his wife and kids along for the display. Very sad to see them stand there like zombies as he spouted hate masquerading as love. A Greek prof of mine tried reasoning with him but got nowhere, finally declaring that the guy was beyond reaching.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:48:43pm |
re: #245 torrentprime
Have to share something in response to the the pro-pot movement on this board.
I had my jaw wired shut today (cue jokes) to heal two breaks, and I’m looking at 6-8 weeks of this mumblemumble crap. I have to admit, medical marijuana is seeming like more and more of a great idea as the day goes on.
You know. From my experience pot makes me talkative. Not sure how that would work.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:50:14pm |
re: #249 Gus 802
Yeah. Since it’s fixed, he drives again. Never exceeds 50 mph, even on the interstate.
America is very pissed.
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:08pm |
There is a distant shoestring relative of mine, met him maybe a few times, a real old guy, not even sure he’s still alive, who gave me a book he wrote called “A Guide for Exuberant Living” which what I can figure is a collection of every classic conspiracy theory from WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and the days of the Red Influence, each CT footnoted, annotated and cited like a textbook. Chock full of racism too. A good primer for spelunking into the mind of the classic Bircher CT nut.
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prairiefire Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:18pm |
There are plenty of Republicans smoking the weed in Missouri. Probably growing it in the southern part, too.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:25pm |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
Exactly. Nagumo also knew how strong America could be when angered. The problem for Japan was that to back off in China would have meant openly backing down to foreign pressure and that was seen as an intolerable sign of weakness.
right, it get a bit more complicated…but I’m only good for a few sentences…they really did not want a shooting war with the US and the Aussies in the S Pacific but they stupidly forced themselves exactly into that situation….I never heard of a plan to invade Australia, they just wanted to take New Guinea and be left alone…heh, wrong again
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:39pm |
re: #254 Gus 802
You know. From my experience pot makes me talkative. Not sure how that would work.
ROTFL. Have to admit, I didn’t think of that.
“Captain, all the pithy observations are being directed inward! She canna handle the strain!”
re: #255 MandyManners
Same with the munchies.
That will be one of the (the only?) next two months’ upside: my diet just got a lot easier.
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cliffster Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:39pm |
re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. Since it’s fixed, he drives again. Never exceeds 50 mph, even on the interstate.
America is very pissed.
I hate your uncle.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:51:53pm |
re: #254 Gus 802
You know. From my experience pot makes me talkative. Not sure how that would work.
Bill Cosby had a great bit on cocaine.
Someone said, “Cocaine intensifies your personality.”
Cos said, “What if you’re an asshole?!”
The only curse word I’ve ever heard him say.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:52:50pm |
re: #256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah. Since it’s fixed, he drives again. Never exceeds 50 mph, even on the interstate.
America is very pissed.
That’s funny. I think I ran into him. /
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:52:58pm |
Was WND absorbed by The Onion while nobody was looking? This stuff is really starting to look like parody.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:52:58pm |
re: #240 albusteve
to impose their will on us, take out our Pacific carriers and make war undesirable…they truly believed we did not have the stomach for war since we would be involved with the fight against Hitler…Yamamoto himself knew better and was opposed to the plan…he knew all about Americans
In order to graduate from a Nuclear Apprenticeship From Mare Island we had to give a 6 minute speech on what it means to work for the Nuclear Navy in a huge auditorium in front of hundreds of people..
One by one people were giving the same old tired speeches about what it meant to work for the Navy…I was having none of it…
I read about 5 minutes of true accounts of the Pearl Harbor attack..
Then I explained why it would be my deepest honor to work for the United States Navy…
It wasn’t play school and I’m serious about the Navy..
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reine.de.tout Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:53:21pm |
re: #246 Jeff In Ohio
Yoga, baby, Hatha.
Agreed, BUT I would add he should check with his doc, first.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:54:12pm |
re: #253 Irenicum
I agree. back in my undergrad, we ad a similar type visit our school for a fews years going. He would stand between our library and chapel declaring that everybody passing by was going to hell. It woulda been funny if it weren’t for the fact that he often included his wife and kids along for the display. Very sad to see them stand there like zombies as he spouted hate masquerading as love. A Greek prof of mine tried reasoning with him but got nowhere, finally declaring that the guy was beyond reaching.
I’ve read some quite frightening investigative reporter stuff about how Phelps raised his family and also about his general life. This is one disturbed individual.
One of his sons who left forever when he was 18 spoke at the American Atheists convention last year. He’s only been an atheist since 2005 or so, however. His speech is primarily about his father and growing up in that family — highly recommend if you want an inside look at the family dynamics. He’s a monster.
**trigger warning for survivors of domestic violence and child abuse**
atheistnexus.org
This isn’t from that speech, but elsewhere:
The mattock, a close cousin of the pickaxe, is used to dig through tough, earthy surfaces—it loosens soil, breaks rock, and tears through knotted grass. Its handle is a three-foot wooden shaft, twice the density of a baseball bat and its dual-sided iron head is comprised of a chisel and a pick. It was Pastor Fred Phelps’s weapon of choice when beating his children according to his son, Nate Phelps.
“The Bible says ‘spare the rod, spoil the child,’” explained Nate, “and he would be screaming that out as he was beating us.” One Christmas night, Pastor Phelps hit Nate over 200 times with a mattock’s handle, swinging it like a baseball player.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:54:48pm |
re: #260 torrentprime
That will be one of the (the only?) next two months’ upside: my diet just got a lot easier.
I did try medical grade pot once. It wasn’t like regular pot and seemed to just floor me. I guess you can say it made me feel super baked.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:55:06pm |
re: #257 Mich-again
Oh, that would be fun reading, if only for the insights to the mindset behind it psychologically. And speaking of such themes, I got in the mail today two book on just that topic: The Paranoid Style in American Politics by Hofstadter and Voodoo Histories by David Aaronovitch, which is a new one. Hope to get to them relatively soon.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:56:01pm |
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:56:16pm |
re: #266 HoosierHoops
In order to graduate from a Nuclear Apprenticeship From Mare Island we had to give a 6 minute speech on what it means to work for the Nuclear Navy in a huge auditorium in front of hundreds of people..
One by one people were giving the same old tired speeches about what it meant to work for the Navy…I was having none of it…
I read about 5 minutes of true accounts of the Pearl Harbor attack..
Then I explained why it would be my deepest honor to work for the United States Navy…
It wasn’t play school and I’m serious about the Navy..
the USN is the most awesome, destructive, war machine the world has ever seen, or maybe ever will…OOH RAH!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:57:03pm |
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:57:39pm |
re: #274 albusteve
the USN is the most awesome, destructive, war machine the world has ever seen, or maybe ever will…OOH RAH!
Go Navy. We are fortunate to have such guardians.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:57:52pm |
re: #270 Gus 802
I did try medical grade pot once. It wasn’t like regular pot and seemed to just floor me. I guess you can say it made me feel super baked.
too potent to enjoy…there is a limit
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:58:07pm |
re: #269 iceweasel
Why is this monster not in a federal prison?
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:58:52pm |
re: #271 Irenicum
The writer was a Professor in Metallurgical Engineering for decades, even though that subject was never mentioned in the book. He was no dummy. You get the clear impression he was convinced of every tiny detail in each ct.
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Stuart Leviton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:59:02pm |
re: #250 Bagua
Say say you have a Jazz club in Chicago, and you decide to name it the ‘Jazz Kaaba’ (meaning the Jazz place everyone wants to go to) Think anyone would take exception to the name?
Interesting idea. In some neighborhoods, I can imagine that would be a hip name. The name has all sorts of possibilities - I could imagine Sunra being one of the opening acts. Or they could call it The Cubbie Bear or something like that. But I know little about business. Is that what your friend is considering doing? I would love to see more jazz in Chicago.
Is Joe Segal’s Jazz Showcase still around?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:59:21pm |
re: #279 Irenicum
Why is this monster not in a federal prison?
he’s not broken any laws…scratch him and his kin, they don’t mean much in the bigger picture…just noise
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 7:59:51pm |
re: #270 Gus 802
I did try medical grade pot once. It wasn’t like regular pot and seemed to just floor me. I guess you can say it made me feel super baked.
That is referred to as “the crippler”. Been a loong time.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:00:47pm |
re: #276 Bagua
Go Navy. We are fortunate to have such guardians.
I wish we could demonstrate that to the Iranians
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:01:06pm |
re: #281 Stuart Leviton
I changed some details to protect the anonymous. My thinking was it could bring unwanted attention like the Moe cartoons did. But what the hey, free country and all.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:01:12pm |
re: #269 iceweasel
I call bullshit on that. (Not you Ice).
Ever swung a mattock handle? You can kill someone pretty easy with one of those.
Now, do I think that the guy was abusive? Oh yeah.
That particular anecdote strikes me as hyperbole.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:01:13pm |
re: #283 Mich-again
That is referred to as “the crippler”. Been a loong time.
I couldn’t see doing that every day. Would need a chauffeur.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:01:30pm |
re: #245 torrentprime
You will be ordering or making some really creative smoothies if you go for it. :)
All kidding aside, if you want to do marijuana smoking or edible or whatever-you want to get away from the illegality. Most of the bad revolves around the criminal angle. None of us want to get arrested, and none of us want to fund FARC or Mexican cartels.
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Mich-again Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:02:00pm |
re: #287 Gus 802
I couldn’t see doing that every day. Would need a chauffeur.
aka wheelchair weed. ha.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:02:48pm |
re: #280 Mich-again
Oh conspiracists usually aren’t dummies. They’re usually very smart, in selected areas of specialization. But they get fixated on seeing “patterns” in evidence that’s conjured up in their own mind and in the minds of kindred souls. It’s a fascinating and scary process to see at work.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:03:32pm |
Does anyone watch “The Deep End”? Originally known as Gray’s Anatomy in a law firm? The law is a little thin, but I’m enjoying it more and more as time goes on.
Anyhoo, they did a little leap-in-time the other day with a pot-themed episode: they live and work in a California that has successfully passed a pot-legalization ballot initiative, setting up a direct conflict between federal and state law, etc, etc. Fun to contemplate, really.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:04:25pm |
re: #252 Dark_Falcon
You guys should read Imperial Cruise. How Teddy westernized Japan with the explicit desire to give them Korea and take China for our selves. By way of the “white mans burden” to “civilize” all the Asian peoples west of us. Western expansion. By James Bradley.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:04:29pm |
re: #284 albusteve
I wish we could demonstrate that to the Iranians
We there already. You can no doubt see the US Navy from off the coast on a routine basis. They know that they are sitting ducks whenever the US decides to pay a visit. May that day come soon.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:04:30pm |
re: #288 Rightwingconspirator
You will be ordering or making some really creative smoothies if you go for it. :)
All kidding aside, if you want to do marijuana smoking or edible or whatever-you want to get away from the illegality. Most of the bad revolves around the criminal angle. None of us want to get arrested, and none of us want to fund FARC or Mexican cartels.
my doctor claims I am eligible for med pot…..hahaha!…the irony…anyway I don’t think FARC is involved with pot
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:04:33pm |
Wait! Read Phelps’ wiki! Check this out…
In the 1980s Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP for his work on behalf of black clients.
That kind of surprises me.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:04:46pm |
re: #288 Rightwingconspirator
You will be ordering or making some really creative smoothies if you go for it. :)
All kidding aside, if you want to do marijuana smoking or edible or whatever-you want to get away from the illegality. Most of the bad revolves around the criminal angle. None of us want to get arrested, and none of us want to fund FARC or Mexican cartels.
Agree about legality. Nothing I can do about the DEA, but obtaining a card and scrip isn’t terrifically difficult.
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Gus Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:05:19pm |
re: #296 torrentprime
Agree about legality. Nothing I can do about the DEA, but obtaining a card and scrip isn’t terrifically difficult.
Give it a shot.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:05:31pm |
re: #295 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wait! Read Phelps’ wiki! Check this out…
In the 1980s Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP for his work on behalf of black clients.
That kind of surprises me.
He was a civil rights lawyer, wasn’t he, before he decided teh ghey was far worse than everything that ever existed?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:05:36pm |
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:05:50pm |
This is hard to believe..But I have on women’s figure skating from the Olympics and not College Basketball…
It’s an upside down world
/Is there anything NBS is selling that I want to buy? nahhh
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:06:13pm |
re: #279 Irenicum
Why is this monster not in a federal prison?
Hasn’t broken any federal laws. He’s also a lawyer who specialises in tying up the legal system. Several of his children are lawyers as well. Everything he does as part of his ‘church’, no matter how morally repulsive, is also protected under the First Amendment.
He and one of his daughters are barred from entering the UK, however. Hate speech laws.
There was an investigative reporter who put together a ton of info on Phelps, planning a book. AFAIK the book hasn’t come out, nor do I know if he even had a publisher, but a lot of the material was available on the web. I’ll see if I can find it.
Also also, IIRC, there was some extremely creepy stuff about Phelps’ homophobia that he dug up. In the early years of his ‘ministry’, before it was reduced to basically his homegrown congregation (his kids). Phelps was pretty obsessed with the sex lives of his congregation (if we can call it that.)
Very Jim Jones kind of stuff. Quizzing the males about their ‘homosexual tendencies’, forbidding them to sleep with their wives, very weird and very Jim Jones-ish. I’ll see if I can locate that info.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:06:38pm |
re: #293 Bagua
We there already. You can no doubt see the US Navy from off the coast on a routine basis. They know that they are sitting ducks whenever the US decides to pay a visit. May that day come soon.
the sky filled with cruise missiles!…think what sight that would be!
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:06:45pm |
re: #294 albusteve
Right not FARC but the Mexican cartel angle is bad enough. Too many killings, undermining the governance of the borders.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:07:14pm |
re: #298 torrentprime
I’ve been too busy ignoring him to look him up.
His picture on Wikipedia should have the following caption, “Does this Tuxedo make me look KWAZY?!?”
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:07:17pm |
re: #300 HoosierHoops
This is hard to believe..But I have on women’s figure skating from the Olympics and not College Basketball…
It’s an upside down world
/Is there anythingNBSNBC is selling that I want to buy? nahhh
Leno made me do that
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:07:28pm |
re: #286 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I call bullshit on that. (Not you Ice).
Ever swung a mattock handle? You can kill someone pretty easy with one of those.
Now, do I think that the guy was abusive? Oh yeah.
That particular anecdote strikes me as hyperbole.
Dunno, FBV, — there’s a lot more detail in the actual speech by the son. Clearly he couldnt have been hitting the kid in the head, that’s true.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:07:46pm |
re: #304 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’ve been too busy ignoring him to look him up.
His picture on Wikipedia should have the following caption, “Does this Tuxedo make me look KWAZY?!?”
LOL. That needs more ups than I can give it.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:08:32pm |
re: #301 iceweasel
Quizzing the males about their ‘homosexual tendencies’, forbidding them to sleep with their wives
Yeah. That’ll help.
/
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:09:13pm |
re: #296 torrentprime
Precisely my experience. Outside of a National Park or museum you have no worries. You learn the limitations. If your medicine is in your car trunk, and you get searched by CHP, you have no problem as a MMR patient. If its half a joint in the car ashtray you get a DUI. You get to relax buying it. No more proverbial dark alleys.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:10:19pm |
re: #307 MandyManners
He and Gore were once associated.
Phelps supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic Party primary election. In his 1984 Senate race, Gore opposed a “gay bill of rights” and stated that homosexuality was not something that “society should affirm”. Phelps has stated that he supported Gore because of these earlier comments. Wikip
At least Phelps is consistent in his hatred. “You once oppressed the same people I do! Bro!”
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:10:41pm |
I’ve seen the fact that Phelps was a registered Democrat as justification for the assertion by some on the right that he’s a liberal. I’ve never seen such a bad argument. The guy clearly wants to return to a time period where people would be executed for being gay. Is he a mainstream conservative? Of course not but is he the very definition of far right wing in that he wants to go back to past policies of say the Middle Ages? Absolutely. THe Phelps freaks were actually here since they were pissed off that my college elected a drag queen as our homecoming queen. We also had a guy named Brother Micah here this past fall. Not sure if anyone of you all have heard of him but he basically goes around telling college kids they’re going to hell because some of us smoke pot, voted for Obama, have sex, and condone homosexuality. It’s fun times. I took some pictures of it and there was even a guy who had a sign that said I’m With Satan that stood next to Micah.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:11:09pm |
re: #303 Rightwingconspirator
Right not FARC but the Mexican cartel angle is bad enough. Too many killings, undermining the governance of the borders.
if the Mex cartels got their act together, they could effectively take on the federalis…and in fact separate rival factions are joining together for some sort of push…I’ve posted about it, but there is little interest here about that stuff….can’t compete with Phelps for a headline…oh and btw, BO wants to reduce our presence at the border….even more
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:11:24pm |
re: #302 albusteve
the sky filled with cruise missiles!…think what sight that would be!
Expensive though, for such a small payload. I reckon they’d only use a few in the beginning against air defence and such, from then on the US could fly over at leisure. It would be a case of the blind fighting the sighted. No contest.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:12:24pm |
Speaking of all things Phelps, here’s Derek Webb’s new song called Freddy Please. The audio’s not great, but the song is masterful.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:12:26pm |
I too am surprised at him getting NAACP awards since he’s not just bigoted towards gays but towards pretty much any group you can think of.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:13:19pm |
Wow… this Japanese skater was lovely.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:14:11pm |
re: #314 Bagua
Expensive though, for such a small payload. I reckon they’d only use a few in the beginning against air defence and such, from then on the US could fly over at leisure. It would be a case of the blind fighting the sighted. No contest.
but they hit what you aim them at…low level, turning and twisting and seeking out it’s target…I love those things….granted they are already old fashioned
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:15:15pm |
re: #313 albusteve
Screw reducing the forces. As screwed up as the minutemen might be (lots of BS about them is “common knowledge”) a real militia is truly needed down there. If I were Governor I would have my state guard doing a lot of practice maneuvers around El Centro and further south.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:17:42pm |
Less typie typie more sleepie sleepie…
G’night knuckleheads.
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HoosierHoops Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:17:51pm |
re: #318 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wow… this Japanese skater was lovely.
Beautiful..But since I only watch ladies figure skating every 4 years I can’t help but think they are wearing costumes more like dancing with the stars and one disastrous wardrobe malfunction away on live TV during the Olympics…
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:17:56pm |
re: #314 Bagua
What did you think of the episode tonight? I just finished watching.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:18:05pm |
re: #312 HappyWarrior
THe Phelps freaks were actually here since they were pissed off that my college elected a drag queen as our homecoming queen.
Some of his church came to my town to protest Adam Lambert.
Talk about a waste of effort. I mean, honestly - we aren’t even sure if we want to be proud of Lambert; for WBC to protest him was just ridiculous.
I heard later a bunch of my (straight) friends went running outside of their work when WBC started in order to counterprotest. /proud of my friends
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Virginia Plain Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:18:07pm |
Time for some music:
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:18:42pm |
re: #320 Rightwingconspirator
Screw reducing the forces. As screwed up as the minutemen might be (lots of BS about them is “common knowledge”) a real militia is truly needed down there. If I were Governor I would have my state guard doing a lot of practice maneuvers around El Centro and further south.
mmm. not sure its a job for militia. feels like a policing job. you want to make sure that the drugs (and cartel members) are off the streets in US. a full on invasion of drug members into US territory feels incredibly unlikely.
Militia could be used to guard against smuggling across the border.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:18:44pm |
re: #319 albusteve
but they hit what you aim them at…low level, turning and twisting and seeking out it’s target…I love those things…granted they are already old fashioned
They are amazing, no doubt about it. I’m sure a few would come skimming in off of submarines, as would UAVs, and GPS guided ordnance from aircraft too high to touch.
The first the Mullahs would hear of it would be the sounds of the explosions.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:19:39pm |
re: #315 MandyManners
[Link: www.lcrga.com…]
Teh ghey has driven lots of politicians apeshit, ‘tis true.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:19:44pm |
re: #324 Walter L. Newton
What did you think of the episode tonight? I just finished watching.
I mentioned it earlier and got scolded because some people are on ‘time-zones’.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:19:54pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:20:01pm |
re: #326 torrentprime
Some of his church came to my town to protest Adam Lambert.
Talk about a waste of effort. I mean, honestly - we aren’t even sure if we want to be proud of Lambert; for WBC to protest him was just ridiculous.I heard later a bunch of my (straight) friends went running outside of their work when WBC started in order to counterprotest. /proud of my friends
I was going to counterprotest myself but the Phelps clan was doing their protesting at 7:30 AM that day. I am just not a morning person period but I am proud of the people who did protest them of course.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:20:07pm |
re: #329 Bagua
They are amazing, no doubt about it. I’m sure a few would come skimming in off of submarines, as would UAVs, and GPS guided ordnance from aircraft too high to touch.
The first the Mullahs would hear of it would be the sounds of the explosions.
i’d hope they wouldn’t hear the explosions. Like the Sopranos—you’ll never see [or hear] it coming.
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:20:47pm |
re: #332 Varek Raith
Have you visited the leftorium lately?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:20:52pm |
re: #320 Rightwingconspirator
Screw reducing the forces. As screwed up as the minutemen might be (lots of BS about them is “common knowledge”) a real militia is truly needed down there. If I were Governor I would have my state guard doing a lot of practice maneuvers around El Centro and further south.
a couple of weeks ago I drove down the NM bootheel and into AZ…the San Bernadino valley, right along the state line, check your atlas….extremely rugged and remote, but TONS of Border Patrol…some on horseback, some with full auto stuff…roadblocks, mobile IR TV stations….man, you name it….I was very impressed…but nevertheless if a Mex cartel wanted to shoot their way up through there and fan out, they’d be gone, unstoppable
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:20:53pm |
re: #331 Bagua
I mentioned it earlier and got scolded because some people are on ‘time-zones’.
You mean you can’t say “bad, good, excellent?”
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:21:13pm |
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:21:39pm |
re: #323 HoosierHoops
Beautiful..But since I only watch ladies figure skating every 4 years I can’t help but think they are wearing costumes more like dancing with the stars and one disastrous wardrobe malfunction away on live TV during the Olympics…
Those costumes don’t show all that much—there is a lot of flesh-colored material. They are more covered up than you might think.
Did anyone see the Turkish Muslim girl who skated early in the program?
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:21:39pm |
re: #338 Varek Raith
Well at least you’re in your right mind!
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:21:45pm |
re: #334 EastSider
i’d hope they wouldn’t hear the explosions. Like the Sopranos—you’ll never see [or hear] it coming.
They would hear the secondary explosions of all their precious rockets being blown up.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:22:06pm |
re: #329 Bagua
They are amazing, no doubt about it. I’m sure a few would come skimming in off of submarines, as would UAVs, and GPS guided ordnance from aircraft too high to touch.
The first the Mullahs would hear of it would be the sounds of the explosions.
and they can change their mind in mid flight!….we bad
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:22:08pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:22:16pm |
re: #330 torrentprime
Teh ghey has driven lots of politicians apeshit, ‘tis true.
Of course, by 1998 the ‘association’ between phelps and gore is that WBC picketed Gore’s father’s funeral…
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:22:22pm |
re: #329 Bagua
They are amazing, no doubt about it. I’m sure a few would come skimming in off of submarines, as would UAVs, and GPS guided ordnance from aircraft too high to touch.
The first the Mullahs would hear of it would be the sounds of the explosions.
Speaking of. We’ve gotten some big fish in Afghanistan lately. What’re your thoughts (you’ve been pretty knowledgeable on the topic in the past).
Also, to Charles (not complaining), I haven’t noticed any posts about the shift in Pakistan’s actions. That feels like something right in the wheelhouse for a front page post. Any chance of that coming up? Or have I missed it.
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Virginia Plain Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:22:35pm |
Here is another great song from Sailing to Philadelphia, my favorite:
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:23:15pm |
re: #341 Bagua
Why are we having a good time about the Mullah’s getting bombed? Did I miss something. Is that suppose to be funny, enjoyable some sort of sport?
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:23:54pm |
re: #328 EastSider
I only say that based on the fact that the police have not been sent, the California National Guard has not been sent, and the hits , kidnappings, gunfights keep coming. Americans on the border are being bribed to let these killers transit their ranch land. The alternative could be a dead sister or wife. Take the money or the tears.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:24:17pm |
re: #342 albusteve
and they can change their mind in mid flight!…we bad
The Mullahs are wracking their brains on stuff we mastered decades ago. All that stuff they have sitting in the desert means nothing against the US.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:24:18pm |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
Why are we having a good time about the Mullah’s getting bombed? Did I miss something. Is that suppose to be funny, enjoyable some sort of sport?
we declared war on Iran while you were watching TV….historic, and you missed it
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:25:03pm |
re: #298 torrentprime
He was a civil rights lawyer, wasn’t he, before he decided teh ghey was far worse than everything that ever existed?
Yeah, and the SPLC timeline on Phelps informs me one of his ‘civil rights’ cases was….suing Reagan for visiting the Vatican.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:25:39pm |
re: #336 albusteve
If the whole thing was like that we would have less trouble. Have you read about the “virtual” fence, all radar high tech and FAIL?
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Irenicum Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:25:51pm |
All right gang, back to some Jerry Garcia Acoustic Band. Y’all have a mellow yellow night.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:25:52pm |
re: #343 Bagua
Excellent.
I thought so too… especially the part where the Smoke Monster showed up at the birthday celebration of Dogens 623 birthday and blew out all the candles on the rice cake birthday cake.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:26:17pm |
re: #301 iceweasel
Hasn’t broken any federal laws. He’s also a lawyer who specialises in tying up the legal system. Several of his children are lawyers as well. Everything he does as part of his ‘church’, no matter how morally repulsive, is also protected under the First Amendment.
He and one of his daughters are barred from entering the UK, however. Hate speech laws.
There was an investigative reporter who put together a ton of info on Phelps, planning a book. AFAIK the book hasn’t come out, nor do I know if he even had a publisher, but a lot of the material was available on the web. I’ll see if I can find it.
Also also, IIRC, there was some extremely creepy stuff about Phelps’ homophobia that he dug up. In the early years of his ‘ministry’, before it was reduced to basically his homegrown congregation (his kids). Phelps was pretty obsessed with the sex lives of his congregation (if we can call it that.)
Very Jim Jones kind of stuff. Quizzing the males about their ‘homosexual tendencies’, forbidding them to sleep with their wives, very weird and very Jim Jones-ish. I’ll see if I can locate that info.
Few publishers would be willing to publish a hostile book about a litigious lawyer. The threat of a suit for slander looms large. Phelps might not win such a suit, but it would still make things unpleasant for the folks targeted by it.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:27:00pm |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
Why are we having a good time about the Mullah’s getting bombed? Did I miss something. Is that suppose to be funny, enjoyable some sort of sport?
We are reflecting on the fact that the belligerent Mullahs can make all the threats they want, but the real power is with the US. It is good to visualise victory ahead of a conflict to keep morale up.
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Vambo Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:27:37pm |
re: #355 MandyManners
He was nuts to begin with. He got disbarrred for haranguing witnesses on the stand.
Al Gore?!?! oh wait n/m. LOLZ.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:28:20pm |
re: #355 MandyManners
He was nuts to begin with. He got disbarrred for haranguing witnesses on the stand.
Speaking of Jack Thompson…. No, one of the eleventy hundred reasons he got disbarred included sending gay porn to a judge as evidence, and that evidence was viewable from the court’s Web site.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:28:20pm |
re: #354 Walter L. Newton
I thought so too… especially the part where the Smoke Monster showed up at the birthday celebration of Dogens 623 birthday and blew out all the candles on the rice cake birthday cake.
What? How did I miss that?
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Virginia Plain Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:28:35pm |
Difford and Tillbrook:
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:28:52pm |
re: #269 iceweasel
This violence was a fact of life in our home, and is interwoven from my earliest memories as a child. Already facing the responsibilities of a wife and 13 children, my father made the decision to go to law school. The physical and mental demands led him to take prescription
amphetaminesto keep him going.
I friggin’ knew it. I’ve often wondered if that dude was on meth. Close enough.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:28:55pm |
A question Lizards…. six years ago during our divorce my ex filed a quit claim deed for the timeshare property we’d bought early in our marriage. Now I’m planning to deed the property back to the timeshare company, but I need both the original warranty deed (which I have) and the quit claim deed (which I can’t find). Should I be able to obtain a copy of the quit claim from the county where we were divorced?
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:29:35pm |
re: #356 Dark_Falcon
Few publishers would be willing to publish a hostile book about a litigious lawyer. The threat of a suit for slander looms large. Phelps might not win such a suit, but it would still make things unpleasant for the folks targeted by it.
Yep. Phelps himself can’t practice any more, but he has a gigantic history of using the law to file suits that are basically designed to harass others. Plus he has his own home-grown lawyers now— his kids.
The SPLC timeline is useful but it only runs through 2000 — it’s from the Spring 2001 SPLC Intelligence Report.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:29:45pm |
re: #352 Rightwingconspirator
If the whole thing was like that we would have less trouble. Have you read about the “virtual” fence, all radar high tech and FAIL?
a bit, I wonder about the response capability tho…if Mexicans decide to just pour across the border they can do it, easily
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:29:50pm |
re: #348 Rightwingconspirator
I only say that based on the fact that the police have not been sent, the California National Guard has not been sent, and the hits , kidnappings, gunfights keep coming. Americans on the border are being bribed to let these killers transit their ranch land. The alternative could be a dead sister or wife. Take the money or the tears.
Hmmm. My opinion would be that “they’re in already.” If the cartel’s objective was to get a number of operatives into the country, there are far easier ways to get people across the border than a frontal assault involving an actual shooting match w/ border patrol. Easier to sneak 5 in at a time (and certainly they have experience doing this).
The result is that this is more of a police operation. We’ve dealt with gangs and drug violence for decades and in many locations, and we should use what we’ve learned to effectively combat what’s already in place.
As for the Americans on the border—that’s an extremely tough position. I would hope that they would act to not put there family in danger, but to alert the proper authorities of what was happening.
Its not a good situation at all. American guns, American money, Mexican drugs coupled with violence, murder, and anarchy for everyone.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:30:38pm |
re: #363 Tigger2005
A question Lizards… six years ago during our divorce my ex filed a quit claim deed for the timeshare property we’d bought early in our marriage. Now I’m planning to deed the property back to the timeshare company, but I need both the original warranty deed (which I have) and the quit claim deed (which I can’t find). Should I be able to obtain a copy of the quit claim from the county where we were divorced?
Either there or from the county where your ex filed the deed (which could be a separate county).
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:30:57pm |
re: #360 Bagua
What? How did I miss that?
That was a faux spoiler for all those on the West Coast who just started to watch tonight’s episode… you knew that… right?
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:31:07pm |
re: #357 Bagua
We are reflecting on the fact that the belligerent Mullahs can make all the threats they want, but the real power is with the US. It is good to visualise victory ahead of a conflict to keep morale up.
Victory?… They’re gonna get nukes regardless of what we, or Israel, do.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:31:30pm |
re: #357 Bagua
We are reflecting on the fact that the belligerent Mullahs can make all the threats they want, but the real power is with the US. It is good to visualise victory ahead of a conflict to keep morale up.
Visualize away - no disagreement there. But the comment “may that day come soon” might be taken as crossing from visualization to hoping, imho.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:32:27pm |
re: #367 iceweasel
Either there or from the county where your ex filed the deed (which could be a separate county).
Thanks. I’m pretty sure she filed it in this county, but it could have been the neighboring county.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:32:28pm |
re: #363 Tigger2005
The Register of Deeds for that county would have it.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:33:12pm |
re: #366 EastSider
Hmmm. My opinion would be that “they’re in already.” If the cartel’s objective was to get a number of operatives into the country, there are far easier ways to get people across the border than a frontal assault involving an actual shooting match w/ border patrol. Easier to sneak 5 in at a time (and certainly they have experience doing this).
The result is that this is more of a police operation. We’ve dealt with gangs and drug violence for decades and in many locations, and we should use what we’ve learned to effectively combat what’s already in place.
As for the Americans on the border—that’s an extremely tough position. I would hope that they would act to not put there family in danger, but to alert the proper authorities of what was happening.
Its not a good situation at all. American guns, American money, Mexican drugs coupled with violence, murder, and anarchy for everyone.
of course they are here, and so is AQ and anybody else that wants to walk in
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:34:28pm |
re: #371 Tigger2005
Thanks. I’m pretty sure she filed it in this county, but it could have been the neighboring county.
If I’m correct, it has to be filed in the county that the property is situated in.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:35:17pm |
re: #370 torrentprime
Visualize away - no disagreement there. But the comment “may that day come soon” might be taken as crossing from visualization to hoping, imho.
so what?…we should have cranked up hostilities against Iran during the Iraqi ‘surge’ imo
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:35:17pm |
re: #368 Walter L. Newton
That was a faux spoiler for all those on the West Coast who just started to watch tonight’s episode… you knew that… right?
Actually no, I calculated that to be 1823, and it didn’t ring a bell. I’m with you now. It will start in CA in 20 minutes so we will be able to comment then.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:35:28pm |
re: #369 Varek Raith
Victory?… They’re gonna get nukes regardless of what we, or Israel, do.
In that case, might as well kiss civilization goodbye already, and party until the lights go out.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:35:48pm |
re: #363 Tigger2005
A title company with an office in that county might be able to find out.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:36:13pm |
re: #369 Varek Raith
Victory?… They’re gonna get nukes regardless of what we, or Israel, do.
Is that you Harry Reid.
“This war is lost.”
Nobody knows the future.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:36:17pm |
re: #375 MandyManners
Isn’t there a strong Hiz’ballah presence in Paraguay?
don’t know…I don’t see why not tho
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:36:23pm |
re: #366 EastSider
The staus quo is inadequate, to say the least. That’s where I think you have got it wrong. The cartels objective is to get their drugs here. Then get their money out of here. The lengths they go to for those two things make deadly headlines. The carnage on their side of the border would be dramatically reduced by a real effective barrier here on this side.
Given the existing situation, with current efforts “already there”… If I lived on the border I would organize with my neighbors as best as possible. I would want my land to be land the bad guys avoid rather than transit. Kinda sucks when 9-11 takes a minute too long to have a cop show up.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:36:33pm |
re: #377 Bagua
Actually no, I calculated that to be 1823, and it didn’t ring a bell. I’m with you now. It will start in CA in 20 minutes so we will be able to comment then.
Bagua… IT WAS A JOKE ON MY PART.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:36:46pm |
Hello all!
Did you see the unbelievable cuteness at zooborns today?
Much more satisfying than Glenn Beck, don’t you think? Sometimes, you just need to see reality from a different (well, real) angle.
How are you-all?
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:37:38pm |
re: #369 Varek Raith
Not if they are stopped by force, as tragic & devastating as that would be.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:37:50pm |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
If I’m correct, it has to be filed in the county that the property is situated in.
Yes, that’s what I’m thinking. There will have been a copy submitted with the divorce paperwork in the county where the divorce was filed, but to obtain access to the copy yourself you’ll likely need to apply to the county where the q-c deed was filed— and I expect that to be the county where the property is located.
Might be possible to get a copy of the deed via the divorce paperwork, but I think unlikely for Tigger’s purposes. (they’ll want the original certified or whatever yadda yadda).
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:37:52pm |
re: #376 albusteve
so what?…we should have cranked up hostilities against Iran during the Iraqi ‘surge’ imo
Walter wanted to know why it seemed like we were enjoying the idea. I can’t imagine where he got the idea. /
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:38:03pm |
re: #380 Bagua
Is that you Harry Reid.
“This war is lost.”
Nobody knows the future.
No, just being a realist. What can we do to prevent them from obtaining one? Full scale invasion and occupation? At best, we can delay it with tactical strikes.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:38:17pm |
re: #370 torrentprime
Visualize away - no disagreement there. But the comment “may that day come soon” might be taken as crossing from visualization to hoping, imho.
I absolutely hope the US removes the Iranian nuclear threat. I think it is long overdue, or just in time. As long as they are stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons. This needs to happen soon and I’m counting the days with worry.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:38:20pm |
re: #374 Walter L. Newton
If I’m correct, it has to be filed in the county that the property is situated in.
I dunno. She was giving up her interest in the property to me, not deeding the property back to the timeshare owner. The timeshare is in this state but is 2 or 3 hours away and I don’t think she would have gone down there to file the quit claim.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:38:25pm |
re: #382 Rightwingconspirator
The staus quo is inadequate, to say the least. That’s where I think you have got it wrong. The cartels objective is to get their drugs here. Then get their money out of here. The lengths they go to for those two things make deadly headlines. The carnage on their side of the border would be dramatically reduced by a real effective barrier here on this side.
Given the existing situation, with current efforts “already there”… If I lived on the border I would organize with my neighbors as best as possible. I would want my land to be land the bad guys avoid rather than transit. Kinda sucks when 9-11 takes a minute too long to have a cop show up.
Isn’t that what the Minute Men were trying to do? It’s been so long since I’ve seen an article on them, I’ve forgotten.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:38:40pm |
re: #369 Varek Raith
There is no saying that they will get nukes; there is still the possibility that the civilized peoples of the world will make contact with their own inner barbarians and take the nuclear ambitious mullahs out by force.
My inner barbarian has been telling me for years now that we need to do that.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:40:00pm |
Does anyone else think that they ought to find a way to award more than one figure skating medal per category. I’m serious.
Gymnastics awards one for every event, one all-around, and one team medal.
Imagine if skiing had exactly one, and you had to complete multiple events to get it.
They should have a short program medal, long program medal, and an all-around medal.
Less pressure, and it could open up for some interesting variations.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:40:13pm |
re: #371 Tigger2005
It has to be the county where the property is located, doesn’t matter where the divorce happened. The Register of Deeds has jurisdiction.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:40:14pm |
re: #387 torrentprime
Walter wanted to know why it seemed like we were enjoying the idea. I can’t imagine where he got the idea. /
I certainly enjoy the idea
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:40:15pm |
re: #392 Ojoe
There is no saying that they will get nukes; there is still the possibility that the civilized peoples of the world will make contact with their own inner barbarians and take the nuclear ambitious mullahs out by force.
My inner barbarian has been telling me for years now that we need to do that.
I’d still like to hope that the Iranians themselves will take care of the Mullahs and come to the “World Stage” in good faith.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:40:38pm |
re: #384 ggt
Hello all!
Did you see the unbelievable cuteness at zooborns today?
Much more satisfying than Glenn Beck, don’t you think? Sometimes, you just need to see reality from a different (well, real) angle.
How are you-all?
Worried about money, but it looks like I’ll be able to keep my home, so the bulk of today’s news is good.
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Tigger2005 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:05pm |
re: #388 Varek Raith
No, just being a realist. What can we do to prevent them from obtaining one? Full scale invasion and occupation?
Yes.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:17pm |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
Worried about money, but it looks like I’ll be able to keep my home, so the bulk of today’s news is good.
Glad to hear!
:)
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:23pm |
The posts no longer have the name of the replied to nic, just the post number. Is my browser screwed or has a change been made?
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:28pm |
re: #389 Bagua
I absolutely hope the US removes the Iranian nuclear threat. I think it is long overdue, or just in time. As long as they are stopped from acquiring nuclear weapons. This needs to happen soon and I’m counting the days with worry.
I don’t disagree. The idea of being overjoyed when our troops go into battle is, I’m guessing, what got attention - I know it got mine.
To be clear, I’m not saying there is anything wrong with it, with your opinion, etc. Fervently wishing for our guys (women as of today?) to go into battle jarred me a bit, that’s all.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:56pm |
re: #391 ggt
Isn’t that what the Minute Men were trying to do? It’s been so long since I’ve seen an article on them, I’ve forgotten.
The problem with the minute men, and the major handcuff on local police, is that for everyone one mexican drug operative in the county you have several legal mexican immigrants.
It makes it tough to effectively police, and opens up private citizens who defend their land (per RWC’s suggestion) to their own criminal or civil charges if they act against the wrong individuals. Not to mention the physical harm they might invite upon themselves (or their neighbors) by shooting back against cartel members.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:41:59pm |
re: #390 Tigger2005
I dunno. She was giving up her interest in the property to me, not deeding the property back to the timeshare owner. The timeshare is in this state but is 2 or 3 hours away and I don’t think she would have gone down there to file the quit claim.
Procure your state’s quitclaim deed form.
Step
2
In the blanks provided, fill out the grantee and the grantors’ names and current addresses.
Step
3
Fill out the legal description of the property. You can get the legal description from your original deed or from the property appraiser’s office. There should also be a place for the address of the property.
Step
4
Sign and notarize the deed. Some deeds only require one or two witnesses, while some deeds require a notary stamp, depending on which state you are in.
Step
5
Record the deed at your county’s recording office. You will have to pay doc stamps on the deed and recording fees. Doc stamps and recording fees vary depending on your county or state.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:42:22pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:42:32pm |
re: #390 Tigger2005
I dunno. She was giving up her interest in the property to me, not deeding the property back to the timeshare owner. The timeshare is in this state but is 2 or 3 hours away and I don’t think she would have gone down there to file the quit claim.
Try the county where the divorce was filed first to see if it’s submitted with that supporting paperwork (it would have been) and see if 1) you can get a copy of it there and 2) if the copy they’ll give you is sufficient for your legal purposes. Might not be— you might need a certified copy of the original quit claim deed, which would need to be obtained from the county where that deed was filed.
I’d probably contact the lawyer who handled your divorce and ask them first. Just went through some similar documentation bs myself.
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aagcobb Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:42:33pm |
re: #19 Killgore Trout
I just found the anti-Lincoln speech at CPAC…
Freedom Watch Live At CPAC, Part 1
Guests discuss the nation’s history, decline of civil liberties
[Link: video.foxnews.com…]
Glenn Beck’s backup host, Andrew Napalitano, is the moderator. The crowd cheers when they call Lincoln a dictator and a tyrant. Lot’s of Bush bashing too.
Anyone else find it ironic that the CPAC crowd would label Lincoln and the other founders of the GOP as RINOs?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:42:46pm |
re: #388 Varek Raith
No, just being a realist. What can we do to prevent them from obtaining one? Full scale invasion and occupation? At best, we can delay it with tactical strikes.
yup, bomb the shit out of their tech sites every six months….trouble is we don’t know where those sites are, but I bet Israel does
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:43:28pm |
re: #376 albusteve
so what?…we should have cranked up hostilities against Iran during the Iraqi ‘surge’ imo
Well before, when it was clear they were behind the EFP attacks. But Bush was gelded by the media and lost his nerve, either that or the time was just not yet for reasons only those in the know would understand.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:44:01pm |
re: #391 ggt
Isn’t that what the Minute Men were trying to do? It’s been so long since I’ve seen an article on them, I’ve forgotten.
liberals trashed them so bad, the whole thing fell apart…I like the idea
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:44:37pm |
re: #408 Bagua
Well before, when it was clear they were behind the EFP attacks. But Bush was gelded by the media and lost his nerve, either that or the time was just not yet for reasons only those in the know would understand.
So Bush chose not to attack a country due to a disapproving media? Was the second time the charm?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:44:50pm |
re: #113 iceweasel
I think I’d like to infiltrate a Westboro Church protest with a sign saying God Hates Frogs.
Giraffes?
LOL!
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:45:17pm |
re: #409 MandyManners
You do not have to wreck what is inside the mountain if you effectively seal the entrances.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:45:39pm |
re: #411 torrentprime
So Bush chose not to attack a country due to a disapproving media? Was the second time the charm?
media, congress, and public opinion was pretty strong in favor of iraq. and, given that afgh = first, iraq = second, it would appear that the third time was the charm. as it were.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:45:41pm |
re: #409 MandyManners
The sites are under ground and they’re planning on building two more insidea a mountain.
yup, and so it goes…we are getting further and further behind, trying to scare the mullahs with Hilary Clinton is not working
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:46:42pm |
re: #397 Dark_Falcon
Worried about money, but it looks like I’ll be able to keep my home, so the bulk of today’s news is good.
That is good news!
I always try to remember how bad it really could be. I could have been born 5th daughter to a family in China 500 years ago and sold into slavery. Hell, that could happen. In the end, I was born a white American. What do I really have to complain about?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:47:47pm |
re: #383 Walter L. Newton
Bagua… IT WAS A JOKE ON MY PART.
Nope, I don’t buy it. Is it fate or free will? Everything happens for a reason and for some reason the Island wanted you to pick that number. I’m researching it further now. 1823
Dogen is a central player. But then, Ben was important once as was Richard. The humble becoming mighty and the mighty becoming humble seems a common theme.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:47:49pm |
re: #415 albusteve
yup, and so it goes…we are getting further and further behind, trying to scare the mullahs with Hilary Clinton is not working
I think Hillary only makes conservatives pee their pants.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:48:50pm |
re: #402 EastSider
The problem with the minute men, and the major handcuff on local police, is that for everyone one mexican drug operative in the county you have several legal mexican immigrants.
It makes it tough to effectively police, and opens up private citizens who defend their land (per RWC’s suggestion) to their own criminal or civil charges if they act against the wrong individuals. Not to mention the physical harm they might invite upon themselves (or their neighbors) by shooting back against cartel members.
How can anyone beconvicted of apprehending and holding a person who trespasses on one’s own private property—legal immigrant or not?
Oh, I forgot, private protery doesn’t mean shit anymore.
grrrr!
/partially
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:49:17pm |
re: #414 EastSider
media, congress, and public opinion was pretty strong in favor of iraq. and, given that afgh = first, iraq = second, it would appear that the third time was the charm. as it were.
I thought you just said the media was in favor of the Iraq debacle war. Assuming that they were in favor of Afghanistan….
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:03pm |
re: #423 MandyManners
Maybe we should threaten to play a recording of her cackle non-stop over their radios for two weeks.
They’d just jam the signals.
;)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:06pm |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:37pm |
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:40pm |
re: #388 Varek Raith
No, just being a realist. What can we do to prevent them from obtaining one? Full scale invasion and occupation? At best, we can delay it with tactical strikes.
Delay the inevitable? Hows Saddam Hussein’s pet projects looking these days? Whatever they happened to be?
Make no mistake, the US can change the reality in Iran at will if force is on the table.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #423 MandyManners
Well AC/DC music helped loosen Noriega out of a sanctuary way back when. I’ll guess Hilary’s voice could do it in half the time.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:50:56pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:51:49pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:52:32pm |
re: #416 ggt
That is good news!
I always try to remember how bad it really could be. I could have been born 5th daughter to a family in China 500 years ago and sold into slavery. Hell, that could happen. In the end, I was born a white American. What do I really have to complain about?
Good point. I’m a lucky man, even if I sometimes don’t feel like it.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:52:54pm |
re: #427 Bagua
Given a sane and stable government Iran would be welcome to have nuclear electricity and even become a maker of medical isotopes. Short of that non proliferation is nothing less than life and death for millions.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:52:58pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:53:01pm |
re: #427 Bagua
Delay the inevitable? Hows Saddam Hussein’s pet projects looking these days? Whatever they happened to be?
Make no mistake, the US can change the reality in Iran at will if force is on the table.
In what way? Do you think the Obama Admin would invade and occupy Iran? If we have the ability to change the reality in Iran, why did we not do so in NK? Pakistan?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:53:49pm |
re: #427 Bagua
Delay the inevitable? Hows Saddam Hussein’s pet projects looking these days? Whatever they happened to be?
Make no mistake, the US can change the reality in Iran at will if force is on the table.
Not easily. And they can change our reality in Iraq. The Iranians are too strong to simply knock over.
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:54:12pm |
re: #431 MandyManners
Yeah a Catholic sanctuary for a drug dealing tyrant. Surreal is right.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:54:18pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
In what way? Do you think the Obama Admin would invade and occupy Iran? If we have the ability to change the reality in Iran, why did we not do so in NK? Pakistan?
there’s a difference between having the ability and actually doing something about it.
The latter is not always necessary if people know you have the former.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:54:20pm |
re: #401 torrentprime
I don’t disagree. The idea of being overjoyed when our troops go into battle is, I’m guessing, what got attention - I know it got mine.
To be clear, I’m not saying there is anything wrong with it, with your opinion, etc. Fervently wishing for our guys (women as of today?) to go into battle jarred me a bit, that’s all.
Oh agreed. I don’t want to see any troops sent in, except perhaps Special Forces and rescue types. I fear for the safety of the brave men and woman flying the aircraft and crewing the ships.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:55:40pm |
re: #411 torrentprime
So Bush chose not to attack a country due to a disapproving media? Was the second time the charm?
The first time everyone was on board, even Hillary IIRC.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:55:40pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
In what way? Do you think the Obama Admin would invade and occupy Iran? If we have the ability to change the reality in Iran, why did we not do so in NK? Pakistan?
and because we (the american people) may not be happy when the bill comes due. we “changed the reality” in afghanistan and iraq, but the cost in blood and dollars was too high for some.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:56:04pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
In what way? Do you think the Obama Admin would invade and occupy Iran? If we have the ability to change the reality in Iran, why did we not do so in NK? Pakistan?
invade and occupy?…man, that’s rad…why would we do that?
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:56:25pm |
re: #445 Bagua
The first time everyone was on board, even Hillary IIRC.
that’s what she got attacked for by Obama, If I recall.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:57:08pm |
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Political Atheist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:57:18pm |
re: #438 Dark_Falcon
I bet we can all agree our military has more than enough on its plate already. We must retain our conventional deterrence or we will regret it. Imagine having to suddenly pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan to go to North Korea…
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:57:20pm |
re: #440 EastSider
You also have to use, from time to tome, some of your force, so that the bad guys think there is a possibility that you might use it on them.
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.
This is a point completely not understood by the left.
Now good night really.
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laZardo Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:58:13pm |
re: #450 Rightwingconspirator
I bet we can all agree our military has more than enough on its plate already. We must retain our conventional deterrence or we will regret it. Imagine having to suddenly pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan to go to North Korea…
Though technically we’ve had a presence in the R.O.K. for 50 years now.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:58:16pm |
re: #257 Mich-again
There is a distant shoestring relative of mine, met him maybe a few times, a real old guy, not even sure he’s still alive, who gave me a book he wrote called “A Guide for Exuberant Living” which what I can figure is a collection of every classic conspiracy theory from WWI, WWII, Vietnam, and the days of the Red Influence, each CT footnoted, annotated and cited like a textbook. Chock full of racism too. A good primer for spelunking into the mind of the classic Bircher CT nut.
… And see fish without eyes
Bats with their heads
Hanging down towards the ground
(Laura Veirs)
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:58:24pm |
re: #451 Ojoe
You also have to use, from time to tome, some of your force, so that the bad guys think there is a possibility that you might use it on them.
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.
This is a point completely not understood by the left.
Now good night really.
are you implying that we *haven’t* used force? Is that a joke?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:58:38pm |
re: #437 Varek Raith
In what way? Do you think the Obama Admin would invade and occupy Iran? If we have the ability to change the reality in Iran, why did we not do so in NK? Pakistan?
I don’t see the need to invade and occupy, that’s a drag as we saw with Iraq. The priority is to stop the nuclear program, that wouldn’t need an invasion.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:58:43pm |
re: #451 Ojoe
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.
Rubbish.
Good night.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:07pm |
re: #420 torrentprime
I think Hillary only makes conservatives pee their pants.
All Iranian lady politicians wear pantsuits, so they fail to see what is so funny about Hillary.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:13pm |
re: #450 Rightwingconspirator
I bet we can all agree our military has more than enough on its plate already. We must retain our conventional deterrence or we will regret it. Imagine having to suddenly pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan to go to North Korea…
we could lay waste to the Norks in twenty minutes…a simple flyover and back
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:14pm |
re: #451 Ojoe
You also have to use, from time to tome, some of your force, so that the bad guys think there is a possibility that you might use it on them.
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.
This is a point completely not understood by the left.
Now good night really.
What two countries border Iran, east and west? Did that convince them of getting rid of their nuke program?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:35pm |
re: #418 iceweasel
I haven’t had a cigarette in 3 days.
Im planning to increase the count of days.
YEAH!
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:54pm |
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 8:59:55pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:00:18pm |
re: #460 Floral Giraffe
I haven’t had a cigarette in 3 days.
Im planning to increase the count of days.
YEAH!
CONGRATS! That’s great!
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laZardo Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:00:51pm |
re: #452 laZardo
Though technically we’ve had a presence in the R.O.K. for 50 years now.
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:00:54pm |
re: #462 torrentprime
Disregard Bagua’s quote in my post; I hit an extra key and PIMF.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:00:55pm |
re: #451 Ojoe
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.This is a point completely not understood by the left.
We do not fight six-year-olds.
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Ojoe Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:00:56pm |
re: #459 Varek Raith
No, they are crazy in Iran and force will have to be applied there, not next door.
BBL
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:01:30pm |
re: #459 Varek Raith
What two countries border Iran, east and west? Did that convince them of getting rid of their nuke program?
if anything it probably pushed their pedal to the metal. Iraq was the best military in the region and we were in Baghdad in 3 weeks.
Now you go ahead and tell me how easy it would be to govern one contiguous region in the middle east thats 1/3 the size and 1/3 the population of the US. Oh, and they speak dozens of languages, have huge internal religious strife, limited technology, and the only thing that binds them all together is that they don’t like us being there.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:01:33pm |
re: #455 Bagua
I don’t see the need to invade and occupy, that’s a drag as we saw with Iraq. The priority is to stop the nuclear program, that wouldn’t need an invasion.
I’m no general. I’m just running the possibilities through my head. Would limited strikes accomplish our goal, or just delay it so that the Iranian gov gets it through their head that we’re serious?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:01:34pm |
re: #460 Floral Giraffe
I haven’t had a cigarette in 3 days.
Im planning to increase the count of days.
YEAH!
good for you!…that’s a big deal
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:01:52pm |
re: #455 Bagua
I don’t see the need to invade and occupy, that’s a drag as we saw with Iraq. The priority is to stop the nuclear program, that wouldn’t need an invasion.
Also, it seems a bit hypocritical if we begin a nuclear energy program and then tell them they can’t have theirs. What we need is transparency—some hard facts that we can trust them with nuclear power.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:02:01pm |
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:02:17pm |
re: #438 Dark_Falcon
Not easily. And they can change our reality in Iraq. The Iranians are too strong to simply knock over.
Keep in mind the US is on its way out of Iraq, and the Iraqis have decided the Iranian militias are unwelcome. Where they are already attacking the US/UK is in Afghanistan. The Iranians act with impunity attacking US, UK, Israeli and other allies. Once they are made to pay a price for this they will grow very quiet and be spending most of their energy keeping their own citizens from revolting.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:03:01pm |
re: #472 Dark_Falcon
Goodnight, ice.
Aw, I’m still here but thought it wasn’t nice to not say goodnight to Ojoe, who’d said he was out.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:03:18pm |
re: #468 EastSider
if anything it probably pushed their pedal to the metal. Iraq was the best military in the region and we were in Baghdad in 3 weeks.
Now you go ahead and tell me how easy it would be to govern one contiguous region in the middle east thats 1/3 the size and 1/3 the population of the US. Oh, and they speak dozens of languages, have huge internal religious strife, limited technology, and the only thing that binds them all together is that they don’t like us being there.
who suggested we govern Iran?
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:04:17pm |
re: #463 iceweasel
Thanks!
I’m off to a flower show for the week, and plan to keep it up.
It’s been scarily easy.
I just have to stay distracted!
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:04:21pm |
re: #469 Varek Raith
I’m no general. I’m just running the possibilities through my head. Would limited strikes accomplish our goal, or just delay it so that the Iranian gov gets it through their head that we’re serious?
Strikes would likely only delay the Iranian bomb. Not even Israel knows where all their sites are and they keep their research backed up too. We might delay them for years, but we would not shut them down completely. And we might well rally their public around the mullahs.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:04:41pm |
re: #471 ggt
Also, it seems a bit hypocritical if we begin a nuclear energy program and then tell them they can’t have theirs. What we need is transparency—some hard facts that we can trust them with nuclear power.
what of their stated intention of liquidating Israel?…just dismiss that?
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:05:27pm |
Dammit, what is it with Firefox and PDFs???
Sigh.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:05:53pm |
re: #475 albusteve
who suggested we govern Iran?
no one specifically. just was making an assumption of the logical end of using force against Iran.
I suppose that’s the danger of assumptions, but my model is what’s happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. We wound up either standing up or propping up a local government in both places. So we aren’t governing directly, but are on the hook (for $ and for reputation) for the actions of the government.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:06:30pm |
re: #479 Varek Raith
Dammit, what is it with Firefox and PDFs???
Sigh.
its probably adobe. there are other pdf readers out there you can try. acrobat is a bulky, annoying program.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:07:02pm |
Good night all.
Play nicely with each other.
See you in a few days.
{{LGF’rs}}
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:07:03pm |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
Strikes would likely only delay the Iranian bomb. Not even Israel knows where all their sites are and they keep their research backed up too. We might delay them for years, but we would not shut them down completely. And we might well rally their public around the mullahs.
too bad….Israel’s security trumps whatever those people rally around
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:07:22pm |
re: #478 albusteve
what of their stated intention of liquidating Israel?…just dismiss that?
Stated intentions need to be weighed against capabilities and likelihoods. (Also against sincerity, but I don’t think there is much doubt about that)
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Hector1980 Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:07:31pm |
I expect a chalkboard clearly explaining how AGW is caused by liberals and progressives soon.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:07:50pm |
re: #469 Varek Raith
I’m no general. I’m just running the possibilities through my head. Would limited strikes accomplish our goal, or just delay it so that the Iranian gov gets it through their head that we’re serious?
Air-strikes, and then enforce a no fly zone. Blockade, shut off their Gas, their economy. They would be in no position to build new plants and the threat would be removed.
re: #471 ggt
Also, it seems a bit hypocritical if we begin a nuclear energy program and then tell them they can’t have theirs. What we need is transparency—some hard facts that we can trust them with nuclear power.
I suppose it is a bit unfair we don’t allow suicide bombers to travel without interference. The Mullah regime has sacrificed any ‘right’ to nuclear power they may have had.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:08:53pm |
Kinda funny:
Slide Show: Scott Brown Dada Protest Art
Scott Brown’s vote yesterday to block the GOP filibuster of the $15 billion jobs bill has cost him nothing less than his own Facebook page. Tea Partiers have not only hijacked the Wall of his Fanpage—and the Wall of his daughter’s Fanpage—they’ve also uploaded a stream of tasteful anti-Scott Brown protest images. Herewith, a slide show of some of the fan photos uploaded in the last 24 hours. Original captions have been preserved, although a picture is of course worth a thousand randomly selected and misspelled words.
Slideshow at link.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:09:30pm |
re: #480 EastSider
no one specifically. just was making an assumption of the logical end of using force against Iran.
I suppose that’s the danger of assumptions, but my model is what’s happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. We wound up either standing up or propping up a local government in both places. So we aren’t governing directly, but are on the hook (for $ and for reputation) for the actions of the government.
the situations are not comparable….same with Iraq and Afghanistan…we have every legit reason to declare war in Iran if we wanted to…Iran has to go down somehow, someday….it’s going to happen one way or the other
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:11:09pm |
re: #488 albusteve
Iran has to go down somehow, someday…it’s going to happen one way or the other
Luke…. it is your destiny….
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:11:24pm |
re: #484 torrentprime
Stated intentions need to be weighed against capabilities and likelihoods. (Also against sincerity, but I don’t think there is much doubt about that)
their capabilities are nearly complete…they don’t like to talk, diplomacy will not work
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:11:31pm |
re: #476 Floral Giraffe
Thanks!
I’m off to a flower show for the week, and plan to keep it up.
It’s been scarily easy.
I just have to stay distracted!
Are you changing other habits—the ones most connected with smoking—that you’re able to change? My sister had such a hard time with her triggers. She had to get up and move right after eating when that was never her way before. I’ve known a lot of success stories with all kinds of different ways of going about it. Of course state of mind is number one, and you probably know if you’re mentally up for the big step. Applause for your three days, Floral!
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:11:36pm |
re: #478 albusteve
what of their stated intention of liquidating Israel?…just dismiss that?
Well, personally, no. BUT, I think Israel can take care of themselves. If Isarel asks our help, well, that would be different.
My point is more to nuclear energy. If they are truly trying to develope nuclear energy, they need to be transparent about it. I don’t know how we can deny them a “planet friendly” form of energy when we are hoping to develope it ourselves and it seems to be all the rage these days.
Do I believe that is what they are doing with all the uranium? Doesn’t matter, they need to PROVE it to us and the rest of the world. Unless,we have hard evidence to the contrary, I don’t know how we can justify any military intervention.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:11:55pm |
re: #486 Bagua
I suppose it is a bit unfair we don’t allow suicide bombers to travel without interference. The Mullah regime has sacrificed any ‘right’ to nuclear power they may have had.
not disagreeing. But here’s the downside of that strategy:
you’ve just killed 1000s of civilians (10,000s by their count). you blew them up, starved them to death, and prevented the kids from getting medicine. You’ve just created a whole new generation of Iranians and sympathetic Middle Easterners who hate America. They’ll come to power, and some nutjob will takeover [insert country name here] and begin a nuclear program.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:12:31pm |
re: #488 albusteve
the situations are not comparable…same with Iraq and Afghanistan…we have every legit reason to declare war in Iran if we wanted to…Iran has to go down somehow, someday…it’s going to happen one way or the other
what are the legit reasons we have to declare war on iran?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:13:21pm |
re: #477 Dark_Falcon
Strikes would likely only delay the Iranian bomb. Not even Israel knows where all their sites are and they keep their research backed up too. We might delay them for years, but we would not shut them down completely. And we might well rally their public around the mullahs.
Delay? When is Saddam’s bomb going to finally make its appearance? Or any of his chemical weapons?
Don’t doubt the ability of the US to shut down that nuclear program for as long as necessary. Whatever it takes. Who cares? The US still has troops in Japan and Germany, they haven’t built any nuclear weapons. Who are the Iranians?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:13:28pm |
re: #485 Hector1980
I expect a chalkboard clearly explaining how AGW is caused by liberals and progressives soon.
there is certainly a case to be made for some of the CO2 unnecessarily pumped into the air as the result of liberal politics…that’s undeniable
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:14:35pm |
re: #486 Bagua
I suppose it is a bit unfair we don’t allow suicide bombers to travel without interference. The Mullah regime has sacrificed any ‘right’ to nuclear power they may have had.
Under what law?
Unfortunately, we have to work with politicals and laws here. What you or I may think is right, has to pass scrutiny before we put our troops in harms way.
As it stands, do we have any hard evidence they are using the nuclear material for anything but “clean” energy?
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:14:41pm |
re: #496 albusteve
there is certainly a case to be made for some of the CO2 unnecessarily pumped into the air as the result of liberal politics…that’s undeniable
Can they institute a cap-and-trade with the tea parties?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:14:45pm |
re: #491 Silvergirl
Are you changing other habits—the ones most connected with smoking—that you’re able to change? My sister had such a hard time with her triggers. She had to get up and move right after eating when that was never her way before. I’ve known a lot of success stories with all kinds of different ways of going about it. Of course state of mind is number one, and you probably know if you’re mentally up for the big step. Applause for your three days, Floral!
agreed…it takes a lot of habit change to quit…all the little things must change, and it’s a bitch
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:15:39pm |
re: #493 EastSider
not disagreeing. But here’s the downside of that strategy:
you’ve just killed 1000s of civilians (10,000s by their count). you blew them up, starved them to death, and prevented the kids from getting medicine. You’ve just created a whole new generation of Iranians and sympathetic Middle Easterners who hate America. They’ll come to power, and some nutjob will takeover [insert country name here] and begin a nuclear program.
Rinse and repeat. You’re afraid they will hate America? Bit late for that.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:16:01pm |
re: #496 albusteve
there is certainly a case to be made for some of the CO2 unnecessarily pumped into the air as the result of liberal politics…that’s undeniable
What does conservative politics emit, methane? SO2?
/:)
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:16:29pm |
re: #492 ggt
Well, personally, no. BUT, I think Israel can take care of themselves. If Isarel asks our help, well, that would be different.
My point is more to nuclear energy. If they are truly trying to develope nuclear energy, they need to be transparent about it. I don’t know how we can deny them a “planet friendly” form of energy when we are hoping to develope it ourselves and it seems to be all the rage these days.
Do I believe that is what they are doing with all the uranium? Doesn’t matter, they need to PROVE it to us and the rest of the world. Unless,we have hard evidence to the contrary, I don’t know how we can justify any military intervention.
well they have not been transparent, in fact they have lied their asses of…we have no intention of denying them electricity
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:16:42pm |
re: #500 Bagua
Rinse and repeat. You’re afraid they will hate America? Bit late for that.
H,mm. Who inside hates us? Meaning, which ones? What about the pro-American, democracy-hungry kids we keep hearing about?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:16:52pm |
re: #451 Ojoe
You also have to use, from time to tome, some of your force, so that the bad guys think there is a possibility that you might use it on them.
This is why peace rallies and peace symbols make war more likely by the way; they convince the actual bad actors that it is safe for them to go ahead and start something.
This is a point completely not understood by the left.
Now good night really.
ahahaha the old smear. Total made up bullshit, but hey! It fits the tribal mold, right?
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:17:22pm |
re: #502 albusteve
in fact they have lied their asses of [sic]
But we are to trust completely their capability statements.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:17:58pm |
My sister had a baby less than a week ago. She already has a scrapbook page with pictures from the hospital posted on her blog.
This is the same sister that once ran a marathon in the Grand Canyon on two broke legs (spiral fractures she was unaware of).
I bumped my knee tonight. Probably going to bruise.
Think I’ll sit on the couch all day.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:18:27pm |
re: #497 ggt
Under what law?
Darwin.
Unfortunately, we have to work with politicals and laws here. What you or I may think is right, has to pass scrutiny before we put our troops in harms way.
Of course, the President would do the right thing with the best advice from all branches.
As it stands, do we have any hard evidence they are using the nuclear material for anything but “clean” energy?
You must be joking.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:18:41pm |
re: #500 Bagua
Rinse and repeat. You’re afraid they will hate America? Bit late for that.
I don’t believe the rank n’ file Iranian hates America. I think they are like the rank n’ file American—more concerned with paying their bills than with hating or loving any other country.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:18:41pm |
re: #500 Bagua
Rinse and repeat. You’re afraid they will hate America? Bit late for that.
Why does Iran hate America?
Thinking…thinking… thnking…en.wikipedia.org
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:19:46pm |
re: #494 EastSider
what are the legit reasons we have to declare war on iran?
they declared war on us
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:20:12pm |
re: #508 ggt
I don’t believe the rank n’ file Iranian hates America. I think they are like the rank n’ file American—more concerned with paying their bills than with hating or loving any other country.
I think the average Iranian is right to view the west suspiciously. The west has done terrible things to them.
And no, this does not excuse Iran’s government’s behavior. it just explains why anti-American rhetoric holds their attention.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:20:38pm |
re: #500 Bagua
Rinse and repeat. You’re afraid they will hate America? Bit late for that.
the casualness of “rinse and repeat” as a phrase describing the endless loss of life is a little jarring.
Call me liberal. But I think the root cause of the Iranian threat, and the root cause of terrorism is anti-American sentiment. And you’ll never be able to bomb people until they love us. There will always be someone left who is so incredibly pissed off and motivated that he’ll commit as large an act of violence as he is allowed. So yes, you can neuter their nuclear program, limit tactical weapons flow, stop gun transfer, and say that knives are illegal. But at the end of the day theres going to be a number of extremely angry people who are out to kill as many Americans as possible.
I don’t have a “right answer.” And I agree that war and violence is sometimes justified. But I don’t think “bomb them into submission” is a workable solution for the future.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:21:09pm |
re: #501 Varek Raith
What does conservative politics emit, methane? SO2?
/:)
bullshit and methane cross political boundaries…basically as for the feds, I hate ‘em all
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:21:21pm |
re: #502 albusteve
well they have not been transparent, in fact they have lied their asses of…we have no intention of denying them electricity
I know. Very similar to Saddam—and we all know how that turned out.
Facts don’t matter, only the spin. For all the good our Troops have done and continue to do in Iraq—all we hear is “Where are the WMD’s?”
Regardless, I think Israel has to take the lead in any action against Iran—as things stand now.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:22:04pm |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:22:34pm |
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:22:52pm |
re: #503 torrentprime
H,mm. Who inside hates us? Meaning, which ones? What about the pro-American, democracy-hungry kids we keep hearing about?
Bring them the freedom they are dreaming of, marching in the streets for, desperate for. Set the Iranians free from the Mullahs and they will love America for ever. I’ve heard of them begging Israel on call in talk shows to repay the debt to Cyrus and come liberate them. Seen that in comments from Iranians. They have a long memory.
But first things first. Shut down the nuclear threat and the supplying of terrorists is Afghanistan/Iraq/Lebanon/Syria/Israel, and then see what develops.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:23:31pm |
re: #510 albusteve
they declared war on us
Well, we deposed their democratically elected leader because he wanted to nationalize their oil, and installed a vicious dictator.
Also, they actually declared real war on us? I must have missed that :D
Who made who
who made you
who made who
aint nobody told you
if you made them and they made you
who picked up the middle and who made who
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:24:17pm |
re: #498 torrentprime
Can they institute a cap-and-trade with the tea parties?
I have no clue…I would not try to predict anything, I think politics and it’s associated leadership and representation is off the rails, left and right…I am very pessimistic about our future
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torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:24:45pm |
re: #517 Bagua
Bring them the freedom they are dreaming of, marching in the streets for, desperate for. Set the Iranians free from the Mullahs and they will love America for ever. I’ve heard of them begging Israel on call in talk shows to repay the debt to Cyrus and come liberate them. Seen that in comments from Iranians. They have a long memory.
To be fair, you were responding to the proposition of, “you’ve just killed 1000s of civilians (10,000s by their count). you blew them up, starved them to death, and prevented the kids from getting medicine” as the way to do this. I am sure that “freedom” will solve everything, but let’s at least consider how we do it.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:25:23pm |
re: #509 WindUpBird
Why does Iran hate America?
Thinking…thinking… thnking…[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Your problem if you empathise with why Iran hates America. I could care less about the terrorists’ concerns or historical grievances.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:26:02pm |
re: #517 Bagua
Bring them the freedom they are dreaming of, marching in the streets for, desperate for. Set the Iranians free from the Mullahs and they will love America for ever. I’ve heard of them begging Israel on call in talk shows to repay the debt to Cyrus and come liberate them. Seen that in comments from Iranians. They have a long memory.
I think they have a long enough memory that they’re not going to suddenly love us. Regardless of what we do. They’re pretty aware that America’s interests are not exactly pure and virtuous.
| 523 |
torrentprime Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:27:52pm |
OK, time for some (liquid) vicodin and (liquid) antibiotics and (liquid)… ah hell, bed time.
Night all.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:28:24pm |
re: #505 torrentprime
But we are to trust completely their capability statements.
we can see in real time, their missile capabilities and they continue to improve what they consider their long range hardware…fix up a warhead and presto! you have a nuclear power in the ME with a blood thirsy history and a very aggressive posture…just wreck the facilities and be done with it…we have the moral side of it wrapped up…people will love us again, if that’s a worry
| 525 |
EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:29:32pm |
wait, so did Iran actually declare war on us? And if not, do we have legit reasons to “declare war” on them?
I don’t think I ever got answers to those.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:29:34pm |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:29:39pm |
re: #520 torrentprime
To be fair, you were responding to the proposition of, “you’ve just killed 1000s of civilians (10,000s by their count). you blew them up, starved them to death, and prevented the kids from getting medicine” as the way to do this. I am sure that “freedom” will solve everything, but let’s at least consider how we do it.
I think their freedom has to be THEIR freedom. WE may have to stand-by and watch for the next few years. Invading and “giving” it to them seems to not sit well with the ME psyche. Hopefully nothing will happen that will give us cause us to intervene.
Again, it’s Israel’s call. IMHO
| 528 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:29:45pm |
re: #521 Bagua
Your problem if you empathise with why Iran hates America. I could care less about the terrorists’ concerns or historical grievances.
hahahahahaha historical gievances?
WE DEPOSED THEIR LEADER AND INSTALLED A DICTATOR
We did that. Us. America and the UK.
I guarantee you, that if Iran had some sort of cosmic power, had George Bush deposed and installed a Mullah in the white house, it’d make an impression on you. It might perhaps color your opinion of Iran! And your children’s opinion of Iran.
And if you care less about historical grievances, and yet say in the same breath that if america does X then the Iranian people will love us forever, isn’t that basically a completely uninformed opinion? if you don’t care about recent history, how are you coming up with any sort of informed opinion about Iran’s people and their trust of America?
| 529 |
Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:29:57pm |
Hmm, some of you seem to be making taking out Iran’s nuclear capabilities a cakewalk…
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:30:12pm |
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:30:26pm |
re: #520 torrentprime
To be fair, you were responding to the proposition of, “you’ve just killed 1000s of civilians (10,000s by their count). you blew them up, starved them to death, and prevented the kids from getting medicine” as the way to do this. I am sure that “freedom” will solve everything, but let’s at least consider how we do it.
Do you have any idea of the suffering, death and destruction emanating from that country? Any collateral damage is on their conscience, not ours. The US, Britain, Israel, all our allies, fight with respect for human life and in the most humane way possible.
My fear is if it is left to Israel. I don’t see how Israel can remove this threat without using horrendous force. On the other hand, the US could completely contain the situation with the least force necessary. The US would own the skies over Iran.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:31:27pm |
re: #529 Varek Raith
Hmm, some of you seem to be making taking out Iran’s nuclear capabilities a cakewalk…
A yellowcakewalk.
Hee hee hee.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:31:34pm |
re: #524 albusteve
we can see in real time, their missile capabilities and they continue to improve what they consider their long range hardware…fix up a warhead and presto! you have a nuclear power in the ME with a blood thirsy history and a very aggressive posture…just wreck the facilities and be done with it…we have the moral side of it wrapped up…people will love us again, if that’s a worry
Google Mossadegg, and really, then tell me in all honesty that you still believe that Iran will suddenly love us.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:31:38pm |
Ugh, how horrible:
wusa9.com
Two People Shot At Middle School In Littleton, Colorado
Two students have been shot at a middle school in the same town where the Columbine shootings occurred, including a 14-year-old. Investigators have a suspect in custody.
Jacki Kelley, spokesperson for the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office, says one victim was found inside the school and the other was found outside the school.
She says it happened around 3 p.m. which is about when children would be getting out of school. Both of the victims were teenagers.
Suspect’s in custody, adult male. The two kids are in the hospital and no one died, but still. Ugh.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:31:55pm |
re: #521 Bagua
Your problem if you empathise with why Iran hates America. I could care less about the terrorists’ concerns or historical grievances.
its not the existing terrorists i’m worried about. its the future terrorists. there’s millions of young men who haven’t yet been turned. and those represent thousands of more enemy combatants and hundred more american soldiers dead (and how many more dollars spent) trying to achieve peace.
its a vicious cycle.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:31:59pm |
re: #506 EmmmieG
My sister had a baby less than a week ago. She already has a scrapbook page with pictures from the hospital posted on her blog.
This is the same sister that once ran a marathon in the Grand Canyon on two broke legs (spiral fractures she was unaware of).
I bumped my knee tonight. Probably going to bruise.
Think I’ll sit on the couch all day.
That’s the best response to sibling rivalry.
Take care of that knee! Do you need an icepack?
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:32:00pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:32:45pm |
re: #536 Silvergirl
That’s the best response to sibling rivalry.
Take care of that knee! Do you need an icepack?
No, I need a brain. I decided to try and open the chest freezer with my knee to “save time.”
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:32:59pm |
re: #499 albusteve
I’ve been thinking really hard about quitting for a long time.
I found a good book, and have read it many times.
“Teh easy way to quit smoking”, I think it’s called.
(I’m at a friends house, on a MAC for the first time.
Thing is kinda cool, but don’t tell?)
Anyway, I’m travelling & will have a week of not smoking, before returning home. I plan to do whatever it takes, to keep up being “quit”. I think it helps, that I have been exercizing.
So, thanks for the support!
See you soon!
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:33:15pm |
re: #522 WindUpBird
I think they have a long enough memory that they’re not going to suddenly love us. Regardless of what we do. They’re pretty aware that America’s interests are not exactly pure and virtuous.
what would those be in your opinion?
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:33:16pm |
re: #528 WindUpBird
And if you care less about historical grievances, and yet say in the same breath that if america does X then the Iranian people will love us forever, isn’t that basically a completely uninformed opinion? if you don’t care about recent history, how are you coming up with any sort of informed opinion about Iran’s people and their trust of America?
1) Yes, and 2) he isn’t.
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Dancing along the light of day Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:34:22pm |
re: #506 EmmmieG
You should rest. Take care of yourself!
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:34:26pm |
re: #534 iceweasel
Ugh, how horrible:
[Link: www.wusa9.com…]
Two People Shot At Middle School In Littleton, Colorado
Suspect’s in custody, adult male. The two kids are in the hospital and no one died, but still. Ugh.
The people of that town have to be feeling it. When you’ve had one tragedy I think in the back of your mind you think your odds of having it strike again have to be way down there. But no. No guarantees.
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Racer X Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:34:42pm |
Those in power in Iran want one thing - for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. They hate the West - America and everyone else in the West (OK maybe not Venezuela). There is nothing we can do to make them like us.
This will not end well no matter what. Who would you prefer it end badly for - us or them?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:36:08pm |
re: #540 albusteve
what would those be in your opinion?
Not opinion: fact. it is a fact we deposed Mossadegg because he nationalized Iran’s oil. Our interests are realpolitik, as national motives usually are But we shouldn’t be surprised when we ruin a country for their resources, install a maniac because the maniac is friendly to US interests, and then the people in that country are suspicious of our motives!
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:36:31pm |
re: #531 Bagua
Do you have any idea of the suffering, death and destruction emanating from that country? Any collateral damage is on their conscience, not ours. The US, Britain, Israel, all our allies, fight with respect for human life and in the most humane way possible.
My fear is if it is left to Israel. I don’t see how Israel can remove this threat without using horrendous force. On the other hand, the US could completely contain the situation with the least force necessary. The US would own the skies over Iran.
yeah, its on their conscience, but do you think their leaders are going to blame internal issues or the US airstrikes and boycotts for the bulk of their problems.
and to clarify, collateral damage = 1000s of people dead. just making sure we’re talking about the same thing.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:36:46pm |
re: #538 EmmmieG
No, I need a brain. I decided to try and open the chest freezer with my knee to “save time.”
I was singing the scarecrow’s song myself this morning after returning to the house house twice for things I forgot. At least I didn’t get all the way down the driveway.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:37:07pm |
re: #528 WindUpBird
hahahahahaha historical gievances?
WE DEPOSED THEIR LEADER AND INSTALLED A DICTATOR
We did that. Us. America and the UK.
I guarantee you, that if Iran had some sort of cosmic power, had George Bush deposed and installed a Mullah in the white house, it’d make an impression on you. It might perhaps color your opinion of Iran! And your children’s opinion of Iran.
And if you care less about historical grievances, and yet say in the same breath that if america does X then the Iranian people will love us forever, isn’t that basically a completely uninformed opinion? if you don’t care about recent history, how are you coming up with any sort of informed opinion about Iran’s people and their trust of America?
so what…that was then, it’s a new world and a new paradigm…if you don’t draw the line somewhere you get sucked into a never ending spiral of blame and revenge…just bomb the facilities and be done with it…all this blather about past grievances is a waste of breath
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:37:50pm |
re: #543 Silvergirl
The people of that town have to be feeling it. When you’ve had one tragedy I think in the back of your mind you think your odds of having it strike again have to be way down there. But no. No guarantees.
Just horrible. Imagine the trauma of hearing the news bulletins for all the people who lived through Columbine and may have lost friends or family — or kids — then. Nightmarish.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:38:36pm |
re: #528 WindUpBird
hahahahahaha historical gievances?
WE DEPOSED THEIR LEADER AND INSTALLED A DICTATOR
We did that. Us. America and the UK.
So what? That is old history. The whole region was carved up. What about the Spanish/American war or the Civil War? WWII is over as well and the German and Japanese are allies.
I guarantee you, that if Iran had some sort of cosmic power, had George Bush deposed and installed a Mullah in the white house, it’d make an impression on you. It might perhaps color your opinion of Iran! And your children’s opinion of Iran.
When you start talking ridiculous what is the point? Whatever. The nuclear weapons and the terrorism are their choice. If their is some historical grievance, we can talk about it during the surrender talks.
And if you care less about historical grievances, and yet say in the same breath that if america does X then the Iranian people will love us forever, isn’t that basically a completely uninformed opinion? if you don’t care about recent history, how are you coming up with any sort of informed opinion about Iran’s people and their trust of America?
I’ve spoken with many Iranians, read comments and articles from many Iranians, and followed them for decades. My opinion is informed but I’m happy to consider new information.
But as to will they love or hate us, that is not the key issue to me. I’m not looking to be loved, though that is nice, I’m looking to be free of the threat of nuclear war and state sponsored terrorism. I’m for stopping the Iranians from creating hell on earth.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:39:11pm |
re: #544 Racer X
Those in power in Iran want one thing - for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. They hate the West - America and everyone else in the West (OK maybe not Venezuela). There is nothing we can do to make them like us.
This will not end well no matter what. Who would you prefer it end badly for - us or them?
I don’t really see this as a zero sum game. I don’t take it as fact that iran will absolutely attack Israel. I think it’s rhetoric. I think it’s a possibility, and that we should definitely prepare for the possibility, but I don’t accept at all the premise that it’s a certainty.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:39:11pm |
re: #539 Floral Giraffe
I’ve been thinking really hard about quitting for a long time.
I found a good book, and have read it many times.
“Teh easy way to quit smoking”, I think it’s called.
(I’m at a friends house, on a MAC for the first time.
Thing is kinda cool, but don’t tell?)Anyway, I’m travelling & will have a week of not smoking, before returning home. I plan to do whatever it takes, to keep up being “quit”. I think it helps, that I have been exercizing.
So, thanks for the support!
See you soon!
If you can get through the first 72 hours without cracking you are going to be good to go.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:39:21pm |
So, I scrolled down the Giraffe page and hit “older zooborns.”
This video is a hoot! I whhaaaanat a giraffe!
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:40:10pm |
re: #544 Racer X
Those in power in Iran want one thing - for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth. They hate the West - America and everyone else in the West (OK maybe not Venezuela). There is nothing we can do to make them like us.
This will not end well no matter what. Who would you prefer it end badly for - us or them?
You’ve just perfectly embodied one stereotype of American society.
I’m not going to shit daisy’s on you and tell you the Iranians want to be our friends right now. All I’m saying is that its this kind of bravado, zero-sum positioning, and trading in absolutes that leads to extreme decisions and loss of life.
The people there are not that different than you and I. They want to eat well, be healthy, and ensure that their kids have a good life.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:40:29pm |
re: #530 EastSider
just did, couldn’t find anything.
ove running our embassy and taking hostages for ransom is an act of war
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:42:18pm |
re: #535 EastSider
its not the existing terrorists i’m worried about. its the future terrorists. there’s millions of young men who haven’t yet been turned. and those represent thousands of more enemy combatants and hundred more american soldiers dead (and how many more dollars spent) trying to achieve peace.
its a vicious cycle.
We are not talking about terrorists as such, but nuclear weapons and things like missiles being supplied to terrorists. The individual terrorists are a separate problem, it is the state sponsors of terrorism that create existential threats.
We can no more stop all individual acts of terrorism than we can stop people like the nut who flew into the IRS. The point is to deprive them of nuclear weapons, not to win their love.
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:42:56pm |
re: #555 albusteve
ove running our embassy and taking hostages for ransom is an act of war
That’s different than declaring war. also we’d be a little late in retaliation for that (30 years?)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:43:01pm |
re: #548 albusteve
so what…that was then, it’s a new world and a new paradigm…if you don’t draw the line somewhere you get sucked into a never ending spiral of blame and revenge…just bomb the facilities and be done with it…all this blather about past grievances is a waste of breath
I’m not talking about blame and revenge. I’m talking about facts. Simple facts, cause and effect. Why do they dislike us? because of what we did. Therefore, the premise that they will instantly love us, for any reason? is ludicrous. And that premise is being advanced right here.
Like I said above, if a US president was assassinated by Iran when you were in your 20’s and a brutal dictator beholden to Iran’s interests ran America for many years, you’d remember, and you wouldn’t dismiss it as a past grivenace and you wouldn’t talking about how it’s a “new paradigm”. There is no new paradigm. These people, they’re not stupid. They remember what we did. And it seems like conservatives right here on this blog want to wave it off and dismiss it, as if it was a gaffe or a little diplomatic brouhaha.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:44:14pm |
re: #555 albusteve
ove running our embassy and taking hostages for ransom is an act of war
That’s old news. Past grievances, and all that jazz.
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:44:15pm |
I still haven’t heard—do we have any hard evidence that Iran is not developing nuclear capabilities for anything but clean energy?
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:45:09pm |
re: #545 WindUpBird
Not opinion: fact. it is a fact we deposed Mossadegg because he nationalized Iran’s oil. Our interests are realpolitik, as national motives usually are But we shouldn’t be surprised when we ruin a country for their resources, install a maniac because the maniac is friendly to US interests, and then the people in that country are suspicious of our motives!
They’re pretty aware that America’s interests are not exactly pure and virtuous.
don’t quite understand the wording…surely the US would like to see the mullahs deposed…is that not virtuous?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:00pm |
re: #559 Varek Raith
That’s old news. Past grievances, and all that jazz.
Shit they did to us: WORST THING EVER DESTROY THEM AND ALL THEIR MINIONS
Shit we did to them: hey man, that’s you know, like, a bummer! But it’s all in the past! Let’s not play the blame game!
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:02pm |
re: #561 Bagua
Who asked your opinion?
I realise you’re getting your ass handed to you again, but is that really any reason for Baby Bagua to throw another tantrum?
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:20pm |
re: #562 albusteve
They’re pretty aware that America’s interests are not exactly pure and virtuous.
don’t quite understand the wording…surely the US would like to see the mullahs deposed…is that not virtuous?
WE act in our own self-interest. A free and democratic world citizenry is in our self-interest.
Ayn Randian stuff.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:34pm |
re: #560 ggt
I still haven’t heard—do we have any hard evidence that Iran is not developing nuclear capabilities for anything but clean energy?
No, we don’t.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:55pm |
That would be an interesting question, and one that I can not answer: The Prime Minister was overthrown in 1953. The mullahs have been ruling since 1979. Which do the people of Iraq today care about more?
Adults my age would remember better that they have been living under oppression their whole lives.
What they want is a no-brainer. Freedom, but Iranian rule by legitimate election. How to get there is the issue.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:46:58pm |
re: #551 WindUpBird
I don’t really see this as a zero sum game. I don’t take it as fact that iran will absolutely attack Israel. I think it’s rhetoric. I think it’s a possibility, and that we should definitely prepare for the possibility, but I don’t accept at all the premise that it’s a certainty.
reminds me of the Pearl Harbor talk upthread…all rhetoric eh?
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:47:05pm |
re: #556 Bagua
We are not talking about terrorists as such, but nuclear weapons and things like missiles being supplied to terrorists. The individual terrorists are a separate problem, it is the state sponsors of terrorism that create existential threats.
We can no more stop all individual acts of terrorism than we can stop people like the nut who flew into the IRS. The point is to deprive them of nuclear weapons, not to win their love.
Agree. Mathematically, the # of terrorist attacks and deaths on US soil looks like this:
# deaths = [(# of terrorists) * (lethality of attacks)] / (US Ability to Defend)
= (N*L)/D
So you’re arguing that we should minimize the Lethatlity. A perfectly admirable aim. I’m saying that that will increase N and might not net out to any increase in our overall safety. We have to do both.
Also note that increasing D (another debate we’ve had) moves the number of deaths towards 0, but this has implications for our own personal freedoms.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:47:24pm |
re: #564 iceweasel
I realise you’re getting your ass handed to you again, but is that really any reason for Baby Bagua to throw another tantrum?
And lo I am summoned!
I do do love watching you fry mealy mouthed scum ice. How are you doing tonight?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:47:40pm |
re: #546 EastSider
yeah, its on their conscience, but do you think their leaders are going to blame internal issues or the US airstrikes and boycotts for the bulk of their problems.
and to clarify, collateral damage = 1000s of people dead. just making sure we’re talking about the same thing.
Not necessarily. I assume we would announce our intentions first, give them a chance to disarm voluntarily. Then the US would plan, and execute their missions with the least amount of civilian casualties possible. We could even give then a couple days to evacuate every area before we level it. The US, and Israel for that matter, will always do the utmost to avoid killing innocents.
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Racer X Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:48:13pm |
re: #554 EastSider
You’ve just perfectly embodied one stereotype of American society.
I’m not going to shit daisy’s on you and tell you the Iranians want to be our friends right now. All I’m saying is that its this kind of bravado, zero-sum positioning, and trading in absolutes that leads to extreme decisions and loss of life.
The people there are not that different than you and I. They want to eat well, be healthy, and ensure that their kids have a good life.
I agree with you 100%. The people of Iran are not our enemy. The mullahs and short shit are. They intend to do harm to Israel. Hell, they are already doing as much harm as they possibly can. They were helping to kill Americans in Iraq. They are the largest supporter of terror world wide.
I have zero sympathy for the Iranian regime. If they start shit they can expect a shitstorm in return. I’m OK with that.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:48:19pm |
re: #570 LudwigVanQuixote
And lo I am summoned!
I do do love watching you fry mealy mouthed scum ice. How are you doing tonight?
Just fine, darlin’. About to have a drink I think and continue laughing. How are you?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:48:32pm |
Also, that Iran Air Flight 655.
I wonder why iran is so mad at us? I mean, it was only one passenger jet! New paradigm, man. en.wikipedia.org
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:48:36pm |
re: #570 LudwigVanQuixote
You’re missing a comma in there. Changes everything:
Let’s eat, Grandma!
Let’s eat Grandma!
Poor Grandma.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:49:35pm |
re: #568 albusteve
reminds me of the Pearl Harbor talk upthread…all rhetoric eh?
Hey, I’m talking about iran. I still have not really been convinced as to how Iran will love us after we fucked up their country. That is the subject at hand.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:50:43pm |
re: #573 iceweasel
Just fine, darlin’. About to have a drink I think and continue laughing. How are you?
Oh the usual, I spent some time explaining today that if you think that the gold market is more important than African lives you are a racist because yould likely be pissed if they were dead white people.
I went on to explain that if you hate Saudi for financing terror, then buying blood gold and blood diamonds is just as evil and the same thing.
I concluded by having to explain that no it is not ok if Republicans do it.
Busy day here for me.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:50:59pm |
re: #552 LudwigVanQuixote
If you can get through the first 72 hours without cracking you are going to be good to go.
72 hours?….sorry but that’s laughable…it takes 2-3 weeks just to purge the nicotine and other toxins out of your body….the mental part may never be overcome…of course there is are the one in a million addicted smokers who simply stop and that’s the end…give it a few weeks or a couple of months and you might be able to say “good to go”
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:51:55pm |
re: #578 albusteve
Ahhh, I thought you weren’t talking to me. I know from experience and the experience of many that the cravings and the shakes go in 72 hours.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:52:05pm |
re: #559 Varek Raith
That’s old news. Past grievances, and all that jazz.
not to them…this is the ME, stuff lasts forever
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EastSider Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:52:12pm |
re: #571 Bagua
Not necessarily. I assume we would announce our intentions first, give them a chance to disarm voluntarily. Then the US would plan, and execute their missions with the least amount of civilian casualties possible. We could even give then a couple days to evacuate every area before we level it. The US, and Israel for that matter, will always do the utmost to avoid killing innocents.
Lets flip the scenario:
Lets say that in 15 years, our economy is so in the shitter that we’re no longer the world player that we were, and someone like China has emerged as the unilateral position of power.
They demand that we account for and dismantle all of our existing nuclear weapons, because we’ve a history of attack first warfare and we can’t be trusted to secure our own nukes given our destabilization.
China says it will airstrike our likely nuclear facilities and stop all shipments of their goods to us (think about THAT) unless we comply.
What does a President do then? Does that constitute an act of war?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:53:35pm |
re: #534 iceweasel
Ugh, how horrible:
[Link: www.wusa9.com…]
Two People Shot At Middle School In Littleton, Colorado
Suspect’s in custody, adult male. The two kids are in the hospital and no one died, but still. Ugh.
Hasn’t that town been through enough for everyone’s lifetime?
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:54:17pm |
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FemNaziBitch Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:13pm |
I’m out of here.
Have a great evening all!
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:55:25pm |
Oh, goody, another pointless squabble!
:rolls eyes:
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:56:09pm |
NO actually, I am just reading up on the nwe shootings. No squabble now.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:57:06pm |
re: #585 SanFranciscoZionist
Hasn’t that town been through enough for everyone’s lifetime?
You’d think so. Some dirtbag didn’t.
The middleschool he targeted is on “West Columbine Drive”.
Certainly a sicko, and probably somewhat inspired by the Columbine shootings, I guess.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:57:13pm |
We should set up a LGF Modern Warfare 2 Battle Royale. Good way to vent anger!
;)
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:57:22pm |
So, all, what’s new in your world?
*Dodges flying vase*
Two new nephews this month for me.
*Chair crashes into wall couple of feet away*
They’re cuties, and one of them got here at 38 weeks, after his mother was on medication for 8 of those weeks to prevent pre-term labor. (Her other three were all preemies.)
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:58:29pm |
re: #578 albusteve
72 hours?…sorry but that’s laughable…it takes 2-3 weeks just to purge the nicotine and other toxins out of your body…the mental part may never be overcome…of course there is are the one in a million addicted smokers who simply stop and that’s the end…give it a few weeks or a couple of months and you might be able to say “good to go”
The 72 hours is a milestone of sorts. All the rest you mention truly are physical and mental adjustments, but that first step of deciding you’re really going to quit and finding yourself not smoking three days later is huge! I imagine “good to go” was LVQ’s brand of encouragement, which I commend as much as the encouragement you gave earlier.
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Silvergirl Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:34pm |
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Stanley Sea Tue, Feb 23, 2010 9:59:35pm |
re: #574 WindUpBird
Also, that Iran Air Flight 655.
I wonder why iran is so mad at us? I mean, it was only one passenger jet! New paradigm, man. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I remember that well. Woke up on July 4th and saw the front page a photo of the bodies in the water. Horrible. I said something that made my step brother call me a communist. Ah, memories.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:00:21pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:00:22pm |
re: #597 Silvergirl
The 72 hours is a milestone of sorts. All the rest you mention truly are physical and mental adjustments, but that first step of deciding you’re really going to quit and finding yourself not smoking three days later is huge! I imagine “good to go” was LVQ’s brand of encouragement, which I commend as much as the encouragement you gave earlier.
It is also the period of time in which you are most likely to crack. If you make it three days, it is much easier to say why not four. If you have made it one day, it is very easy and desirable to say, ahhh just one then I start for real.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:01:13pm |
re: #576 WindUpBird
Hey, I’m talking about iran. I still have not really been convinced as to how Iran will love us after we fucked up their country. That is the subject at hand.
fuck up a very small part of it…the nuclear site….I gotta go but lets say this…
if we let Iran achieve their bomb grade fuel, which they openly admit to, they have the delivery system, it can be assumed that the warhead tech has already long ago been sold to them by the Norks or Pakis, and we consider their passionate, relentless, overt declaration to destroy Israel (and the Saudis?)….if all this is taken into consideration, then why are we better off to do nothing because of some legit grievance from decades or longer ago?…is it rational to allow this to happen because of something that happened in the past, with different players in a different political world….how far do we go to allow history to dictate the actins of the present?….
I’m out like the Shah
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:01:39pm |
re: #601 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, in my case you can leave them out and the kids will finish them off for you.
…
…
…
chocolate chip cookies. What did you think I was addicted to?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:03:13pm |
re: #604 EmmmieG
Well, in my case you can leave them out and the kids will finish them off for you.
…
…
…
chocolate chip cookies. What did you think I was addicted to?
cigarettes.
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albusteve Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:05:17pm |
re: #580 LudwigVanQuixote
Ahhh, I thought you weren’t talking to me. I know from experience and the experience of many that the cravings and the shakes go in 72 hours.
wrong….anyway I don’t trust your judgment…I have quit many times through the years from a few weeks to several years and never did the cravings cease in 72 hours…if that were typical, very few people would still be smoking….but of course, as usual, you are a supreme exception as you illustrate
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:05:49pm |
re: #605 LudwigVanQuixote
I do feel compassion for those of you who are fighting this. I’ve watched that battle, and it is ugly.
I knew a woman who had been able to quit for her pregnancy, but went right back on again after the birth. She kept trying to pretend she was pregnant again, but no dice.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:05:51pm |
Giving up cigarettes was relatively easy for me, once I got past the first three days (mentioned earlier), but I think saying “I’m quitting” vs “I’m going to try to quit” was the key for me. Now Popeye’s spicy chicken… that monkey won’t come off my back… completely untameable.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:06:44pm |
re: #608 albusteve
Ahhh, I thought you weren’t talking to me. I know from experience and the experience of many that the cravings and the shakes go in 72 hours.
wrong…anyway I don’t trust your judgment…I have quit many times through the years from a few weeks to several years and never did the cravings cease in 72 hours…if that were typical, very few people would still be smoking…but of course, as usual, you are a supreme exception as you illustrate
As usual you are just blowing random shit out of your ass because you are bored and someone you “don’t like” actually opened their mouth. You are very, very predictable.
| 613 |
freetoken Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:09:32pm |
When Glenn Beck states on his TV show that (1) evolution is real, (2) the Earth is over 4 billion years old, and (3) we descended from earlier hominids who themselves shared a common ancestor with the great apes…
Then, then we’ll know the end is near…
| 614 |
iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:09:49pm |
America’s Worst Governor Has America’s Worst Sexual Assault Alibi
Meet Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons (R-Skeezeball). A former playboy model is suing him for allegedly sexually assaulting her in 2006. Gibbbons’ defense? He hasn’t had sex in 15 years.
The federal civil suit was brought by Chrissy Mazzeo, a cocktail waitress who says that Gibbons assaulted and groped her in a parking lot after spending hours drinking at a Las Vegas restaurant. The alleged assault never resulted in any criminal charges, but on February 5 of this year, the governor was deposed for four hours by Mazzeo’s attorney, Bob Kossack. During the deposition, Gibbons claimed that he hasn’t been sexually intimate with any woman since 1995, and that he’s “living proof that you can survive without sex for that long.”
This is highly unlikely because 1) Gibbons has recently come under fire for sexxxy late-night texts on Nevada’s dime with a friend. and 2) Mustang Ranch.
Obviously, Gibbons is just angling for a pity fuck to go along with the huge settlement he is going to have to pay when he inevitably loses this case.
ha!
Link to CBS news, etc., in the gawker acct.
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Varek Raith Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:15:09pm |
:)
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:15:34pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:16:24pm |
Yeah, I’m gone, too, and you can all stay and fight about Gren Beck till the wee hours.
Interesting to see how much of this thread is still here in the morning.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:16:25pm |
Threat neutralized. Proceed with patrol pattern Kilo Two Seven.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:24pm |
re: #619 EmmmieG
Yeah, I’m gone, too, and you can all stay and fight about Gren Beck till the wee hours.
Interesting to see how much of this thread is still here in the morning.
Actually I misspelled that.. it’s suppose to be Gren Breck. Night.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:18:56pm |
Cree. Pee.
Stalking App Can Give Creepy Strangers Your Phone Number
A Swedish app called Recognizr lets you point your smartphone camera at someone and retrieve their online profiles via face recognition. You don’t even have to know the person, unlike with competing apps.
The technology isn’t quite stalker friendly yet; only people who have opted in can be recognized, and the code only runs on Android smartphones. But we figure it’s only a matter of time before someone writes a no-holds-barred, recognize-anyone version for the massive iPhone platform, and makes a bundle in the process. After that happens, there will be no need to make up fake phone numbers for creeps in bars — the creeps will already have your contact info. Progress.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:20:12pm |
re: #623 Bagua
How old are you? Seriously, are you a teenager?
I thought you were ‘gazing’?
New record even for you, there.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:20:27pm |
re: #622 iceweasel
Cree. Pee.
Stalking App Can Give Creepy Strangers Your Phone Number
That reminds me of the school which was allegedly monitored students via their laptop webcams at home. Disturbing.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:21:32pm |
re: #625 Locker
That reminds me of the school which was allegedly monitored students via their laptop webcams at home. Disturbing.
I was just reading about that last night— super creepy and invasive. Definitely appears the school did something very, very wrong, if the account I read was accurate.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:23:09pm |
re: #626 iceweasel
I was just reading about that last night— super creepy and invasive. Definitely appears the school did something very, very wrong, if the account I read was accurate.
Yea I’m with you but I’m going to wait a bit and see what shakes out. If the school did snap a picture with that laptop webcam and use it to discipline a student, it’s all over for them I would imagine.
How’s things? You guys long or short distance atm?
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:24:17pm |
re: #624 iceweasel
I thought you were ‘gazing’?
New record even for you, there.
Laugh you know an attention whore can’t help their self. Doesn’t matter if it’s positive or negative reinforcement, they gotta have their fix. Damn junkies are everywhere…
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freetoken Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:25:15pm |
re: #614 iceweasel
His Wikipedia entry reads like an adventure in sleaze-land…
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:09pm |
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:26:25pm |
re: #628 Locker
Yea I’m with you but I’m going to wait a bit and see what shakes out. If the school did snap a picture with that laptop webcam and use it to discipline a student, it’s all over for them I would imagine.
How’s things? You guys long or short distance atm?
Long. I think that’ll change next week, though. Jim-ski is close to finishing up collecting his legal docs, then he’ll fly over to NYC to wait with me. So that will be cool, at least!
Yeah, that’s what I’d heard about how the laptop cam issue came to light. We’ll see.
How’s tricks? (bbiab)
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:27:49pm |
re: #630 freetoken
Ok free this may seem random but I’ve been meaning to ask you a question. It seems you perform quite a bit of research on various topics and I’m wondering which information sources you consider to be the closest to “objective”.
That can be a slippery topic as the definer affects what objective means but I’m speaking of sources that impart information with the least amount of “messenger taint”.
Just curious, thanks man.
| 636 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:32:15pm |
Crap, now I wish we were trading cliches about Iran again, which is saying something.
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:33:04pm |
re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist
Crap, now I wish we were trading cliches about Iran again, which is saying something.
Iran is so stupid she told me to meet her on the corner of “Walk” and “Don’t Walk”.
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freetoken Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:33:54pm |
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Locker Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:35:05pm |
re: #638 freetoken
Can’t play that unless I want my wife to wake up and slug me. You are lucky in your objectivity. I’m a forking taint factory… just the way it is…
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:46:29pm |
re: #637 Locker
Iran is so stupid she told me to meet her on the corner of “Walk” and “Don’t Walk”.
Iran is so stupid she went to Dr. Dre for a pap smear!
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55:12pm |
re: #560 ggt
I still haven’t heard—do we have any hard evidence that Iran is
notdeveloping nuclear capabilities for anything but clean energy?
FTFY.
And yes, we do. Statements by Iranians. Lots of ‘em.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:58:09pm |
re: #602 albusteve
fuck up a very small part of it…the nuclear site…I gotta go but lets say this…
if we let Iran achieve their bomb grade fuel, which they openly admit to, they have the delivery system, it can be assumed that the warhead tech has already long ago been sold to them by the Norks or Pakis, and we consider their passionate, relentless, overt declaration to destroy Israel (and the Saudis?)…if all this is taken into consideration, then why are we better off to do nothing because of some legit grievance from decades or longer ago?…is it rational to allow this to happen because of something that happened in the past, with different players in a different political world…how far do we go to allow history to dictate the actins of the present?…
I’m out like the Shah
This isn’t actually the point I was addressing. Strategic reasons why we should hit Iran pre-emptively are beyond my pay grade. I believe they’re dangerous, I believe we should keep an eye on them, and I believe they’re angry at us for real reasons. These are all real truths, and they can all coexist! Just because I believe that we fucked Iran up and they have every right to hate us like poison, doesn’t mean we should let our guard down.
I don’t accept the premise that it is CERTAIN they will hit Israel. I believe that Iran is engaging in rhetoric about hitting Israel because it’s politically viable. Many people here seem to think Iran’s leadership are suicidal. I don’t. Is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? I don’t believe so.
The point that I was actually addressing is, you cannot talk about the predicted behavior of the Iranian people while dismissing their very recent negative history with the USA and Great Britain. If you dismiss that, you have no informed opinion regarding how the Iranian people will view us.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:59:48pm |
Israel should strike while the Iran is hot.
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iceweasel Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:04:34pm |
re: #649 Bagua
Bagua, why don’t you take your own advice, and ignore those posts and those posters you have a problem with? It’s incredibly boring to read your whining, and it’s very bad for the blog and its readers and commenters.
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Cato the Elder Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:06:24pm |
re: #647 WindUpBird
I don’t accept the premise that it is CERTAIN they will hit Israel.
They’ve been braying about it for years.
“Certainty” is not something Israel can really afford to wait for.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:07:26pm |
re: #647 WindUpBird
The point that I was actually addressing is, you cannot talk about the predicted behavior of the Iranian people while dismissing their very recent negative history with the USA and Great Britain. If you dismiss that, you have no informed opinion regarding how the Iranian people will view us.
You are also quite correct. And no doubt that segment of the Iranian population who chant ‘death to America’ and join the Basjid are not going to love us post strike. My view of them welcoming liberation applies more to the Urban population, the young people, the minority religions, ethnic minorities, gays, and oppressed groups.
Also, you are quite right there is a history, it is also a new situation and we live in the present and must move forward. Historic grievances need to be settled and not be the source of unending hostility, especially by those playing with nuclear power and ballistic missiles.
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Bagua Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:57:44pm |
re: #657 iceweasel
Now that was funny! + ding.
I still like the fun, witty Iceweasel. Can’t she come out and play more consistently?
| 660 |
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