Just coming over the wires: a report that Pakistani officials have arrested Adam Gadahn, the American traitor who’s been Al Qaeda’s anchorman in a series of jihad videos…
UPDATE at 3/7/10 10:41:11 am:
Here’s the AP story: Officers: Pakistan arrests American-born al-Qaida.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:22:46am |
Great timing!
Al-Qaida’s American-born spokesman on Sunday called on Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces to emulate the Army major charged with killing 13 people in Fort Hood.In a 25-minute video posted on militant Web sites, Adam Gadahn described Maj. Nidal Hasan as a pioneer who should serve as a role model for other Muslims, especially those serving Western militaries.
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miguelj Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:23:11am |
Hopefully, they will extradite this guy to the US. If he’s still a citizen, though, he’ll almost certainly have to be tried in civilian court. So be it.
It’d be good to know just who in Pakistan was protecting him until now….
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Stonemason Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:23:26am |
Now that is good news…isn’t he a well spring of info? One can hope.
Glad to see that President Obama keeps this up!
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:24:14am |
re: #2 MandyManners
Will he be extradited to America and who will have jurisdiction, the feds or the military?
He’s an American citizen.
But he could be tried for treason, which if I recall aright carries a potential death penalty.
Popcorn?
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:27:04am |
I’d settle for life in prison with some America-lovin’, meth-dealin’, “Speak English or Get the Fuck Out of This Country” Hell’s Angels, though.
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miguelj Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:27:57am |
He was already indicted for treason, in absentia.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:29:06am |
Treason is a high legal bar. And this asshole cleared it by a mile.
This is one show trial I would heartily endorse.
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:29:45am |
I’m with Cato. Black hole him for life and a day.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:31:10am |
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:31:31am |
Since Gadahn is a US Citizen (I think by birth), then I have no problem with him being tried in civilian courts. For treason, and, hopefully, with punishment being death penalty.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:31:50am |
A short stint in Gitmo with his brothers in arms after he wilts under the stern gaze of his interrogators and spills every last thing he knows would not go amiss.
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cwnorma Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:32:36am |
re: #13 Charles
Beat Drudge Report with this one.
Beating Drudge? Meh. Being the sanest place on the intarwebs? Priceless.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:33:00am |
re: #13 Charles
which is giving me dissonance pains, since ‘Charles the Vanguard of the Great Left’ couldn’t possibly be interested in the security of our nation//
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:34:52am |
re: #17 Cato the Elder
A short stint in Gitmo with his brothers in arms after he wilts under the stern gaze of his interrogators and spills every last thing he knows would not go amiss.
you had me at #8…IMHO Gitmo is a paradise compared to some of our federal penitentiaries. I’d certainly rather have solitary in Cuba than bunk with Bubba the Viking Love Machine in Sing-Sing…
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:35:16am |
See what happens when we demand a little backbone from Pakistan and make it clear that we will cut their aid if they don’t off their asses and do some heavy lifting? Ms. Clinton must have had them pissing themselves.
Well done, State Department, and it’s about damned time!
BIG fish in the creel. Happy, happy, joy joy!
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Lidane Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:35:29am |
Excellent news!
re: #7 Cato the Elder
Popcorn?
Pass it this way. I have no problems celebrating the arrest of a traitor.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:36:04am |
So… what kind of trial should/can/could he get… military or civilian? He was a US civilian… but evidently went to work for a foreign fighting force. Is he a prisoner of “war?”
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:36:16am |
This could mean that we’re getting close to Osama bin Laden — if he’s actually alive, which I still think is doubtful.
Wouldn’t it be something if Barack Obama managed to do what George Bush couldn’t do in 8 years — catch bin Laden?
If that happens, the spinning from the right might knock the Earth off its axis. Massive cognitive dissonance will ensue.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:36:41am |
Prediction: the right will blame Obama for not getting him sooner.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38:33am |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
I just want someone to get him.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38:51am |
re: #24 austin_blue
See what happens when we demand a little backbone from Pakistan and make it clear that we will cut their aid if they don’t off their asses and do some heavy lifting? Ms. Clinton must have had them pissing themselves.
Well done, State Department, and it’s about damned time!
BIG fish in the creel. Happy, happy, joy joy!
You have to give props when due.. The Obama White House has Killing or Capturing a boatload of bad guys..People think Obama is anti-CIA.. He has let the dogs loose this last year on AQ and Taliban leadership..
Thank you Mr. President….
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38:57am |
re: #27 Charles
This could mean that we’re getting close to Osama bin Laden — if he’s actually alive, which I still think is doubtful.
Wouldn’t it be something if Barack Obama managed to do what George Bush couldn’t do in 8 years — catch bin Laden?
If that happens, the spinning from the right might knock the Earth off its axis. Massive cognitive dissonance will ensue.
Somehow I doubt there were ever less than three layers between him and the big guys.
You use a traitor, but you never trust him.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:39:56am |
re: #27 Charles
This could mean that we’re getting close to Osama bin Laden — if he’s actually alive, which I still think is doubtful.
Wouldn’t it be something if Barack Obama managed to do what George Bush couldn’t do in 8 years — catch bin Laden?
If that happens, the spinning from the right might knock the Earth off its axis. Massive cognitive dissonance will ensue.
That would be so childish if anyone went whining about how he was captured because of “what ever” or not captured because of “what ever?” Extremely childish.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:40:21am |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
Prediction: the right will blame Obama for not getting him sooner.
Or they’ll say that it was Bush/Cheney policies that enabled the Obama administration to catch him.
If he’s still alive and we catch bin Laden while Obama is in office, he won’t get the slightest shred of credit for it from the right.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:40:39am |
Note that Gadahn has already been indicted for treason, in 2006.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:41:26am |
re: #31 HoosierHoops
In agreeance.
Obama has allowed the Military to f**k some people up.
Doubled down in some places.
Have no problem with what I have seen about how he is prosecuting the WOT.
KSM? Not so much.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:41:40am |
Congrats to thwe Obama admin and to our tireless military
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:41:57am |
The AP story has now been posted:
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:42:36am |
re: #29 Cato the Elder
Prediction: the right will blame Obama for not getting him sooner.
Prediction: ‘Some’ of the more crazy nutters would claim that it’s all part of the massive sekrit muslin conspiracy that O is involved in, that Bin Liden is in on helping his comrade and the capture is just a part of massive plot of misdirection away from the sekrit conspiracy blah blah yadda yadda.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:42:38am |
re: #34 Lidane
Or they’ll say that it was Bush/Cheney policies that enabled the Obama administration to catch him.
If he’s still alive and we catch bin Laden while Obama is in office, he won’t get the slightest shred of credit for it from the right.
Incorrect ,, I (and many other Lizards) are on the right ,, please see #37
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KathyP Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:42:59am |
I don’t care who gets credit for capturing the son of a bitch. The important thing is that he’s caught. Now, we’ll just have to wait and see if they give him to us.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:44:05am |
Yeah! I’m sorry, but Obama is kicking some ass in Pakistan. I think there is a whole lot going on that we don’t even know about. I appreciated how Biden kept his mouth shut about the coming Taliban leader’s arrest when he was on the Sunday morning shows a couple of weeks ago.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:44:11am |
re: #38 Charles
The AP story has now been posted:
Hmm, they picked him up in Karachi. He wasn’t hiding in some cave in the tribal regions.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:44:39am |
re: #35 Charles
Note that Gadahn has already been indicted for treason, in 2006.
Interesting. Treason is extremely hard to get a conviction on; the bar is set very high. The Founders, familiar with England’s wretched abuse of such charges, wanted to ensure that such abuses weren’t even possible here.
It would be satisfying to see a rare treason conviction in this case, but if prosecutors decline to pursue it in favor of obtaining a conviction on other, easier to prove charges, I totally understand their reluctance.
Anyway, this is excellent news, if true. I wonder how long he’s been in custody, and what he’s had to say so far?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:45:29am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:45:30am |
IIRC ,, doesn’t he come from an upper middle class family in California,, and was some type of a musician?
Right about now ,, i’ll bet he’d give ANYTHINg to be back in moms basement playing Guitar Hero !!!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:45:32am |
I thought the little goat fucker was already dead.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:46:08am |
re: #40 sattv4u2
Incorrect ,, I (and many other Lizards) are on the right ,, please see #37
I should rephrase that— he won’t get the slightest shred of credit for it from the right-wing pundits and talking heads.
Individual conservatives? Sure. They might well give credit where it’s due. The spin masters? Not so much.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:46:25am |
re: #27 Charles
Charles, I’m starting to feel hopeful about that. President Obama likes to go big.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:46:48am |
re: #36 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
In agreeance.
Obama has allowed the Military to f**k some people up.
Doubled down in some places.
Have no problem with what I have seen about how he is prosecuting the WOT.
KSM? Not so much.
Our war on the Leadership of AQ and Taliban has been brilliant..Every other day you can read about a drone strike on some high valued target.. Obama has not winked in this war on terror…I could care less about where the prisoners are tried..Thats all American politics in all it’s glory.. As long as Obama is giving the green light to the CIA kill all those f*ckers..I’ll give him Props…
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cwnorma Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:47:04am |
re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Did you just remember your password or something?
I don’t post a lot either, but this was worth weighing in…
/YMMV
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:48:04am |
re: #34 Lidane
Or they’ll say that it was Bush/Cheney policies that enabled the Obama administration to catch him.
If he’s still alive and we catch bin Laden while Obama is in office, he won’t get the slightest shred of credit for it from the right.
I think there are a few conservative still left here on LGF, last time I looked and your statement is painted with a broad brush. I think this is a “feather” in President Obama’s cap… right?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:48:31am |
re: #43 prairiefire
Yeah! I’m sorry, but Obama is kicking some ass in Pakistan. I think there is a whole lot going on that we don’t even know about. I appreciated how Biden kept his mouth shut about the coming Taliban leader’s arrest when he was on the Sunday morning shows a couple of weeks ago.
Ha! Gotta recognize massive effort…how much physical pain do you think Biden was in?
(props here to Obama, who probably threatened to personally pull his arms out of his sockets if he opened his mouth)
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:49:12am |
re: #50 Lidane
I should rephrase that— he won’t get the slightest shred of credit for it from the right-wing pundits and talking heads.
Individual conservatives? Sure. They might well give credit where it’s due. The spin masters? Not so much.
No… they already ready have, right here. Right?
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:49:22am |
re: #48 Alouette
I thought the little goat fucker was already dead.
Then bring back his bones so we are sure.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:50:28am |
re: #55 Walter L. Newton
It was a poorly phrased post. I was referring to the big media types— the talking heads and pundits, not individual conservatives.
I highly doubt that Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, or any of them would give Obama credit for anything, even catching Osama bin Laden. They’d chalk it up to Bush/Cheney policies working instead.
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emcesq Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:51:13am |
Given the sudden string of successes, I wonder what changed Pakistani minds from protection to interdiction? Threat of cutting off US funds (bribes) or increase of US funds (bribes)? These developoments roughly follow blowing up the CIA operatives some months ago. I would like to think it is the threat of reduction and perhaps rising aQ threat to the very structure of Pakistani gov’t.
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:51:40am |
Don’t you mean Leftist Adam Gadahn? After all, he is pro-Islam.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:52:21am |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:53:34am |
re: #62 bratwurst
Don’t you mean Leftist Adam Gadahn? After all, he is pro-Islam.
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Ha! I propose that we roundly sack the first person who attempts to assign him to a “side” in anything more than jest.
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:54:02am |
re: #55 Walter L. Newton
Obama admin does deserve credit for this capture. All the more puzzling to me why he doesn’t get on with reversing Holder’s mistaken decision to move the KSM and other trials form military to civilian courts. As in, Obama will send in the drones to blow up the islamofascists in Af/Pak (hooray!), but if we capture non-citizen terrorists they get a civilian trial over here.
It’s a mixed message.
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researchok Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:54:21am |
Bigger and better news than all those Olympic medals.
I’m only sorry he wasn’t shot while trying to escape. Now we’ll have to hear about childhood traumas and how AQ is misunderstood in a court room setting.
And how the Jews are to blame for everything.
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emcesq Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:54:25am |
re: #64 prairiefire
I just hope India does not take this the wrong way
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:55:00am |
re: #61 emcesq
Given the sudden string of successes, I wonder what changed Pakistani minds from protection to interdiction? Threat of cutting off US funds (bribes) or increase of US funds (bribes)? These developoments roughly follow blowing up the CIA operatives some months ago. I would like to think it is the threat of reduction and perhaps rising aQ threat to the very structure of Pakistani gov’t.
The recent elections put a new government in power, for one thing. For another, the US has made some quiet rumblings about maybe siding more with India if Pakistan wasn’t willing to secure it’s borders and hinterlands near the Afghanistan border, where the Taliban maintain a safe refuge.
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mj Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:55:16am |
From today’s MEMRI:
Adam Gadahn Praises Nidal Hasan, Calls for More Lone Wolf Attacks’
On March 7, 2010, Al-Qaeda’s media wing Al-Sahab released a new 25-minute video from Adam Gadahn titled “A Call to Arms.” Adam Gadahn, also known as ‘Azzam Al-‘Amriki, is an American citizen who has joined the Al-Qaeda leadership in the Waziristan-Afghanistan region and features regularly and prominently in the organization’s propaganda.
Gadahn begins the video with praise of the Detroit and Khost attacks, both in late December 2009, which he collectively characterized as “a series of moral and material blows” to the Crusader West. He moves on quickly though to the topic of Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan, whom he describes in glowing terms (“a pioneer, a trailblazer and a role model who has opened a door, lit a path, and shown the way forward for every Muslim who finds himself among the unbelievers…”). Gadahn holds up Nidal Hasan as an exemplary figure for his loyalty to Islam and Muslims in defiance of his unbeliever commanders, and for having struck at a sensitive target in the heart of America.
Gadahn then uses the example of Nidal Hasan to call on other Muslims in the “Crusader West,” and especially in the U.S., Britain, and Israel, to undertake lone wolf attacks. He advises his listeners in particular to focus
on targets that will do serious economic damage to these countries, and uses the example of the 9/11 attacks to show that such attacks need not necessarily employ conventional firearms.
The video also mentions “Muslim-only concentration camps in Illinois, Bagram, and elsewhere” - apparently a reference to the proposed transfer of Guantanamo Bay prisoners to the Thomson Correctional Center in Illinois.
To read the full dispatch, visit memrijttm.org
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:55:50am |
re: #62 bratwurst
Don’t you mean Leftist Adam Gadahn? After all, he is pro-Islam.
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Hah! That’s funny, but I won’t be surprised at all if the wingnuts start spouting it.
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:56:05am |
I don’t care how any of these fuckers are tried.
Just as long as they are caught, tried and locked away for life.
Civillian, military, makes no dif to me…though the feds seem to do a better job of getting convictions then military trials do.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:56:05am |
When we read about massive drone strikes in the Pakistan/Afghan border regions in the next 48 hours, we’ll know who to thank.
That’s about how long it’ll take for this Orange County brat to break.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:56:28am |
re: #66 sandbox
Obama admin does deserve credit for this capture. All the more puzzling to me why he doesn’t get on with reversing Holder’s mistaken decision to move the KSM and other trials form military to civilian courts. As in, Obama will send in the drones to blow up the islamofascists in Af/Pak (hooray!), but if we capture non-citizen terrorists they get a civilian trial over here.
It’s a mixed message.
And I already asked in a comment above…
“So… what kind of trial should/can/could he get… military or civilian? He was a US civilian… but evidently went to work for a foreign fighting force. Is he a prisoner of “war?”“
I really don’t know the implications of his activities and how he would/should be handled.
Does anyone know, or have an opinion?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:56:31am |
Oh pleeeease let this be true.
Google his OTHER name, “Azzam al Amriki”. Watch his videos. For being a sanctimonious prick alone, he deserves an EXTREMELY long stint in PMITA prison.
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The Shadow Do Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:56:32am |
I assume he is being held by the Pakistanis. Hope he gets a memorable stay in one of their heart break hotels while we negotiate the particulars of extradition.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:57:35am |
re: #66 sandbox
Obama admin does deserve credit for this capture. All the more puzzling to me why he doesn’t get on with reversing Holder’s mistaken decision to move the KSM and other trials form military to civilian courts. As in, Obama will send in the drones to blow up the islamofascists in Af/Pak (hooray!), but if we capture non-citizen terrorists they get a civilian trial over here.
It’s a mixed message.
America has been trying — and convicting — Islamic terrorists in civilian courts for many years.
There’s no mixed message. If we catch them, they go down, one way or another. That’s the message.
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:57:46am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
Gadahn is a US citizen, so IMO he gets a civilian trial. But not KSM. There is a distinction here.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:58:12am |
He will probably cut a deal by informing on all his former buddies. Enjoy your stay in Supermax, asshole.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:58:47am |
re: #74 Cato the Elder
When we read about massive drone strikes in the Pakistan/Afghan border regions in the next 48 hours, we’ll know who to thank.
That’s about how long it’ll take for this Orange County brat to break.
The stories I’ve seen sort of hint that he was captured some time ago. This is pretty typical - you don’t want the other side to know you’ve got one of theirs until you’ve pumped him for all the intelligence you can get, because they’ll change their plans and scatter the moment they know or suspect. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he’s been held for quite some time, and whatever actionable intelligence he might have had has already been exploited.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:58:53am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
And I already asked in a comment above…
“So… what kind of trial should/can/could he get… military or civilian? He was a US civilian… but evidently went to work for a foreign fighting force. Is he a prisoner of “war?”“
I really don’t know the implications of his activities and how he would/should be handled.
Does anyone know, or have an opinion?
my guess would be that the trial would need to follow the same path set by the indictment in 2006. i think we’ve already paved this road…
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jordash1212 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:58:55am |
I bet all the attention he was getting from the terrorists felt much better than what’s going to happen to him in the hands of the military.
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gadlaw Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:00:50am |
woo hoo! About darn time. I look forward to the first treason trial and a swift escort to the other side for this traitor!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:01:09am |
re: #80 sandbox
Gadahn is a US citizen, so IMO he gets a civilian trial. But not KSM. There is a distinction here.
I’m under the impression if you fight for a enemy of the US, you can loose your citizenship status. Is he still consider legally a US citizen? I ‘m trying to Google the laws/rules, not finding a clear answer.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:01:51am |
re: #83 SixDegrees
The stories I’ve seen sort of hint that he was captured some time ago. This is pretty typical - you don’t want the other side to know you’ve got one of theirs until you’ve pumped him for all the intelligence you can get, because they’ll change their plans and scatter the moment they know or suspect. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he’s been held for quite some time, and whatever actionable intelligence he might have had has already been exploited.
Agreed. This turd was a tool for Al Q. Most likely not ‘in” on any important logistics planning. What he does know probably isn;t much. He may know where a few low level and perhaps one mid level contact is.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:02:20am |
re: #83 SixDegrees
The stories I’ve seen sort of hint that he was captured some time ago. This is pretty typical - you don’t want the other side to know you’ve got one of theirs until you’ve pumped him for all the intelligence you can get, because they’ll change their plans and scatter the moment they know or suspect. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he’s been held for quite some time, and whatever actionable intelligence he might have had has already been exploited.
Yes, the AP story says he was arrested “in recent days.” They’ve had him for a while.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:03:04am |
re: #88 Walter L. Newton
I’m under the impression if you fight for a enemy of the US, you can loose your citizenship status. Is he still consider legally a US citizen? I ‘m trying to Google the laws/rules, not finding a clear answer.
Here it is…
obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).
But I don’t know if you can loose it by proxy, after a fact.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:03:07am |
re: #73 webevintage
I don’t care how any of these fuckers are tried.
Just as long as they are caught, tried and locked away for life.
Civillian, military, makes no dif to me…though the feds seem to do a better job of getting convictions then military trials do.
They do a great job..Look at all the Convictions Law & Order gets on almost no evidence..
I mean how many cases do they get of a crazy men screaming Death to America?! Declaring they are terrorists following God’s personal orders?
It’s a first year law students dream case…
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:03:52am |
slightly OT…for those with a TV on in the background in addition to whatever else they’re doing, CNN is going to broadcast an Amampour interview with Mosab Hassan Yousef, a son of one of the founders of Hamas who later turned double-agent for Israel, converted to Christianity, and now lives in California if i’m not mistaken.
He has a book coming out, or this wouldn’t be as interesting to me…
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:04:16am |
re: #79 Charles
For those of us who view this as a war situation, as opposed to criminal justice, I view this as a mixed message. The fact that some non-citizen radical islamists are tried and convicted in our civilian courts (and I am glad they are convicted) does not make it the right policy. The point I am trying to make is that non- citizen radical islamists don’t deserve access to our criminal justice system. By keeping them in the military justice system we acknowledge the unique belligerent nature of this threat both current and future.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:04:17am |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
It’s a first year law students dream case…
So was the OJ Simpson case ,,
sorry ,, just sayin!!
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:05:21am |
Not a big fish, but a very flashy one, this Gadahn.
Nice work, and a hearty slap on the back to all who made it happen.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:05:34am |
re: #75 Walter L. Newton
And I already asked in a comment above…
“So… what kind of trial should/can/could he get… military or civilian? He was a US civilian… but evidently went to work for a foreign fighting force. Is he a prisoner of “war?”“
I really don’t know the implications of his activities and how he would/should be handled.
Does anyone know, or have an opinion?
The first step will be to have him extradited. I believe the Pakistanis are responsible for the operation that led to his capture. He’s their prisoner, and I’m sure he has information they would like to extract.
Assuming he’s ultimately forked over the the US, I really have no preference at all where he is tried. Well, maybe a slight preference for a civilian court, with it’s open door policy, which gives as much assurance as possible that a fair procedure took place. But either way, civilian or military, works for me.
Note that he’s already been charged with treason. That charge, if brought to trial, will be in whatever jurisdiction issued the charges. I’m pretty certain that was a civilian court.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:05:34am |
re: #61 emcesq
Given the sudden string of successes, I wonder what changed Pakistani minds from protection to interdiction? Threat of cutting off US funds (bribes) or increase of US funds (bribes)? These developoments roughly follow blowing up the CIA operatives some months ago. I would like to think it is the threat of reduction and perhaps rising aQ threat to the very structure of Pakistani gov’t.
Maybe part of it was leaking the fact the CIA was seeking permission to use the drones to attack know hide outs in urban areas. Better to go in and get them that lose some civilians and property.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:06:15am |
re: #95 sattv4u2
It’s a first year law students dream case…
So was the OJ Simpson case ,,
sorry ,, just sayin!!
If KSM gets off and takes up golf in Florida I’m going to be fucking pissed!
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:06:42am |
I’ve been watching the #tcot feed to see what Twitter “conservatives” have to say about this.
The silence is deafening.
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:06:51am |
re: #67 researchok
Bigger and better news than all those Olympic medals.
I’m only sorry he wasn’t shot while trying to escape. Now we’ll have to hear about childhood traumas and how AQ is misunderstood in a court room setting.
And how the Jews are to blame for everything.
He has a *lot* of value alive. Every time we get one of these guys, AQ or Taliban, it’s an opportunity to peel another layer off the onion with timely intel.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:07:07am |
re: #98 avanti
Maybe part of it was leaking the fact the CIA was seeking permission to use the drones to attack know hide outs in urban areas. Better to go in and get them that lose some civilians and property.
Yeah, I imagine the prospect of hellfires raining down in populated areas was a bit more troubling than the prospects of a little bit of cooperation and some assistance from time to time.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:07:09am |
re: #90 Charles
Yes, the AP story says he was arrested “in recent days.” They’ve had him for a while.
They all use similar, ambiguous phrasing. The uncertainty, too, works to our advantage. Even though the news of his capture is now confirmed, the enemy doesn’t know how long he’s been held or what he might have spilled.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:07:12am |
re: #99 HoosierHoops
If KSM gets off and takes up golf in Florida I’m going to be fucking pissed!
it’s ok. i think Holder already said he was guilty, so…
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keloyd Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:07:42am |
We should also raise our glass to Pakistani intelligence. Pakistani army and government incentives do not align with ours every time. Bush essentially coerced Musharraf into being our ally. When they fight Islamists instead of cutting a deal, it costs them a great deal, and even so, they’re regularly doing the right thing. I’m drinking an extra Guinness tonight in honor of Muslims who see beyond their ethnic ties and propaganda and actually get it.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:07:50am |
re: #16 sandbox
Since Gadahn is a US Citizen (I think by birth), then I have no problem with him being tried in civilian courts. For treason, and, hopefully, with punishment being death penalty.
Hell no.
Put him through the legal system, by the book. Do everything the way it’s supposed to be done. When he’s convicted (assuming, but it’s a valid assumption), put him in the same type of shit-hole prison the rest of us are sent to. Don’t make him a Special Case. Let him spend many, many years living in that shit-hole, among the worst people humanity has to offer. Let him spend every single day of the rest of his life having a highschool drop-out prison guard literally looking up his ass with a flashlight on a daily basis. He’s young; that could be a very long time. Then remind him that the American way really does work. Everything he hated treated him fairly, honestly, and justly. He broke his end of the social contract, and now he gets to pay. Remind him that this is the martyrdom he sought.
(That’s also why I prefer civilian courts to military tribunals for most other terrorists as well.)
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:08:29am |
re: #107 negativ
If he’s convicted of treason, it carries the death penalty.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:09:06am |
re: #108 Charles
If he’s convicted of treason, it carries the death penalty.
When was the last time somebody was executed for treason in the U.S.? Was it the Rosenbergs?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:09:11am |
re: #102 austin_blue
He has a *lot* of value alive. Every time we get one of these guys, AQ or Taliban, it’s an opportunity to peel another layer off the onion with timely intel.
gotta make sure to bathe them, first, lest their generally casual attitude towards bathing lead to onion-esque watery eyes…
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:09:55am |
I think that if the prosecution establishes that people were killed because of his actions, the death penalty is certain.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:10:22am |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:10:48am |
Looks like we really did capture Adam Gadahn this time
“We?” Suddenly it’s “we,” after spewing hatred at Obama for more than a year?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:11:41am |
re: #87 MikeySDCA
PMITA = Pound Me In The Ass
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:11:48am |
Excellent News !!! Thanks Charles, this makes my day, my week, my month
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:12:44am |
Yep, the Obama Derangement Syndrome is starting to surface already on Twitter:
Hopefully, Eric Holder isn’t on a plane to Pakistan to read him his rights.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:12:56am |
re: #101 Charles
I’ve been watching the #tcot feed to see what Twitter “conservatives” have to say about this.
The silence is deafening.
unbelievable. any ‘conservative’ who can’t rejoice after a victory over our enemies with no regard to the voter registration of the current POTUS can just go get bent right now, said this conservative.
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emcesq Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:13:06am |
re: #98 avanti
Yep, and that too… All and all, I suspect CIA got REALLY p’ed about the clusterf#### letting themeselves blown up by a “vetted” double-turncoat and managed somehow take this to the next level.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:13:06am |
Speaking of convicted traitors, what’s “Jihad Johnny” Lindh up to these days?
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:13:07am |
re: #114 Charles
“We?” Suddenly it’s “we,” after spewing hatred at Obama for more than a year?
Cognitive dissonance? “Success has a thousand fathers”, don’t you know…
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:13:45am |
re: #115 negativ
PMITA = Pound Me In The Ass
IIRC, from “Office Space”, where they use the term to distinguish such a prison from the nice, country-club type of prison.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:13:48am |
Strange background this guy has:
Grandpa’s a zionist supporter, Dad goes counter-culture, then goes sorta holy-roller, son goes death metal to Al Qaeda.
I can’t even begin to fathom all the steps required to lay out the grid to try to put together a flow-chart on this thing. Odd.
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solomonpanting Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:14:49am |
re: #97 SixDegrees
I believe the Pakistanis are responsible for the operation that led to his capture. He’s their prisoner, and I’m sure he has information they would like to extract.
Hopefully, he wasn’t tortured.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:15:14am |
re: #94 sandbox
For those of us who view this as a war situation, as opposed to criminal justice
What? There’s no conflict there. He’s a traitor. Treason carries the death penalty.
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:15:21am |
re: #114 Charles
“We?” Suddenly it’s “we,” after spewing hatred at Obama for more than a year?
WE?
Is he the mouse in Obama’s pocket?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:15:27am |
re: #121 Alouette
Speaking of convicted traitors, what’s “Jihad Johnny” Lindh up to these days?
I think he’s still in Terre Haute.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:16:06am |
re: #121 Alouette
Speaking of convicted traitors, what’s “Jihad Johnny” Lindh up to these days?
GMTA
I was just thinking..He’s got about 11 years to go before he goes on the Ophrey Show
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:16:44am |
The question you have to ask with all of these recent captures and kills: Can Zawahiri and Bin Laden (if either is still alive,) be far behind in being captured or killed?
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:17:54am |
re: #121 Alouette
Speaking of convicted traitors, what’s “Jihad Johnny” Lindh up to these days?
Serving time. I know one of his appeal attempts failed, rather miserably as I recall.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:18:04am |
re: #108 Charles
I really hope he won’t be sentenced to death. It’s far, far too easy. Most people don’t want to die, but everyone does sooner or later. However, the prospect of spending the next 40-fucking-long-ass-years or so in a prison seems so much worse, to me at least. NOBODY wants that, not even suicidal people. That’s why I think that’s what he should get.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:18:16am |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I think he’s still in Terre Haute.
Is that a Supermax, or just a regular fed?
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:18:50am |
re: #135 Thanos
The question you have to ask with all of these recent captures and kills: Can Zawahiri and Bin Laden (if either is still alive,) be far behind in being captured or killed?
Assuming they’re still alive, if they’re smart they aren’t communicating directly with anyone at all, and using only the most tortuously convoluted methods to send messages if the need arises.
Conversely, if they’re dead - a consummation devoutly to be wished - all involved on the good guys’ side should take pains to conceal the fact, and use every effort to hunt down the guys trying to make contact with them. maybe even a bit of spoofing to draw the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tier guys out to try to consult with the boss.
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:19:10am |
re: #137 negativ
Why should tax payers have to pay for his upkeep for 40 years?
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:19:15am |
re: #27 Charles
If that happens, the spinning from the right might knock the Earth off its axis. Massive cognitive dissonance will ensue.
I have complete confidence that the right would still manage to avoid giving Obama any credit whatsoever, and continue to imply he’s ‘weak on terror’.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:19:27am |
re: #134 MandyManners
There’s no reduced sentence for good behavior in the federal system, is there?
Don’t know.The family’s been doing all sorts of things to try to get him out earlier, though. Even asked Bush for clemency at the end of his term.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:20:16am |
re: #137 negativ
I really hope he won’t be sentenced to death. It’s far, far too easy. Most people don’t want to die, but everyone does sooner or later. However, the prospect of spending the next 40-fucking-long-ass-years or so in a prison seems so much worse, to me at least. NOBODY wants that, not even suicidal people. That’s why I think that’s what he should get.
The number one reason I oppose the death penalty? It lets the perps off the hook. Spending the rest of their lives in jail, much harsher.
My $0.02
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:20:25am |
re: #110 Alouette
When was the last time somebody was executed for treason in the U.S.? Was it the Rosenbergs?
They were convicted under the espionage act so not technically treason, even though it was treasonous.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:20:36am |
re: #138 Alouette
Is that a Supermax, or just a regular fed?
Regular.. It’s where you are put to death in the Federal system…Timothy McVeigh had his last breath here
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:20:36am |
re: #138 Alouette
Is that a Supermax, or just a regular fed?
Regular, I think. He was in Supermax for a while.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:20:58am |
re: #141 iceweasel
I have complete confidence that the right would still manage to avoid giving Obama any credit whatsoever, and continue to imply he’s ‘weak on terror’.
Cue Liz.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:21:25am |
re: #140 sandbox
Take a look at the numbers. Life in prison costs far less than an execution.
Nevertheless, I’m more interested in justice than finances.
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:21:37am |
re: #135 Thanos
The question you have to ask with all of these recent captures and kills: Can Zawahiri and Bin Laden (if either is still alive,) be far behind in being captured or killed?
My thoughts exactly, Thanos. They’ve had Adam in the tank for several days. I imagine the conversation was something like:
“Adam, the faster you spill, the less time you have to spend with the ICI. These people will torture you to death. We won’t. We’ll take you hame and treat you fairly. So, tell us about Zawahiri, bin Laden, and everyone else in your cell.”
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:21:48am |
re: #140 sandbox
Why should tax payers have to pay for his upkeep for 40 years?
Why should he get the pleasure of death? Once he’s dead, that’ it. He doesn’t pass go, he doesn’t go to hell, he’s just dust in the wind.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:22:26am |
re: #147 Stanley Sea
Cue Liz.
She’s still running her McCarthy-esque hunt about the DOJ lawyers, while simultaneously denying that’s what she’s doing, iirc.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:22:37am |
re: #141 iceweasel
I have complete confidence that the right would still manage to avoid giving Obama any credit whatsoever, and continue to imply he’s ‘weak on terror’.
Here you go:
“Of course the left will say this shows Obama ran the war that he previously hated better than BushChimpyetc… completely ignoring how much ground work was necessary (and due to Bush) to be in a position to get these results.”
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:22:43am |
Remember, folks, that the grave is the one and only secure holding cell for a dangerous man.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:24:11am |
re: #153 Guanxi88
Remember, folks, that the grave is the one and only secure holding cell for a dangerous man.
How dangerous is Gadahn? Real question. Does this guy know a lot, or is he just the American in the al Qaeda road show?
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:24:18am |
re: #140 sandbox
Why should tax payers have to pay for his upkeep for 40 years?
In the words of Ken from A Fish Called Wanda:
“Ra-ra-ra-revenge!”
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:24:38am |
Man. The #tcot feed is like a glimpse into the mind of an ignorant, illiterate insane person.
Just posted:
If you believe in #evolution you have more faith than any #Christian & less common sence than a rock!
I have to close that window before it lowers my IQ any more. I can’t afford to lose too many more brain cells.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:24:38am |
re: #153 Guanxi88
Remember, folks, that the grave is the one and only secure holding cell for a dangerous man.
I dunno about that. The US is pretty damned good at locking the bad guys up securely.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:24:39am |
Lets not put the cart before the horse
THE question right now ,,, has he committed any crimes AGAINST the state of Pakistan whereas the Pakistanis will want to try him? If so (and when he’s convicted) he lay never see the US justice system, regardless of civilian or military
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:25:01am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
How dangerous is Gadahn? Real question. Does this guy know a lot, or is he just the American in the al Qaeda road show?
He’s a barker at the side show. Still, as long as we’re at it, he’ll do, if only to warn others.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:25:32am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:25:40am |
re: #159 iceweasel
I dunno about that. The US is pretty damned good at locking the bad guys up securely.
Yeah, but that’s only a comparatively recent thing. Our hanging judges never had to deal with crowded prisons. Time will tell.
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keloyd Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:25:49am |
re: #137 negativ
I agree. It comes up often in Texas with all the death penalty politics. We average killing someone every other week for most of the last several years, and due process is pretty quick - typically between several months and a few years, almost never 20 like the hippie states. I’m 36, so life in prison for me is ~40 years. If it was I who was convicted (let’s say falsely just for giggles) of a major crime, I’d choose death without hesitation. There’s hope of an overturned conviction in many many years -for someone who can’t afford good attorneys - just as there is hope of winning the lotto, imho. It’s a fantasy for professors and college kids to talk about in class, not so much in the real world.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:26:30am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
How dangerous is Gadahn? Real question. Does this guy know a lot, or is he just the American in the al Qaeda road show?
I’m not sure, honestly, but he certainly is dangerous and must have been a major star for them in terms of recruitment.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:28:55am |
From TLWJ:
Gadahn’s capture was first reported in the Pakistani press; he was not directly named, however. Geo News identified the captive al Qaeda leader as Commander Abu Yahya Azam while Dawn identified him as Abu Yahya Mujahdeen al Adam. Adam Gahdan’s nom de guerre is Abu Azzam al Amriki.
“The Pakistani press often incorrectly reports the names of foreign fighters arrested in the country, especially Arabic noms de guerre,” Arif Rafiq, the editor of The Pakistan Policy Blog, told The Long War Journal.
Gadahn was likely detained in the Sohrab Goth neighborhood in Karachi, Rafiq said. “Sohrab Goth is a major Pashtun area in northern Karachi,” he said. “Many Mehsud tribesmen live there.”
Karachi again, which makes a lot of sense if the shura is fleeing the Northlands due to the campaigns there, as well if they are fleeing the country entire.
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:29:21am |
re: #151 iceweasel
She’s still running her McCarthy-esque hunt about the DOJ lawyers, while simultaneously denying that’s what she’s doing, iirc.
she is a horrid, disgusting human being.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:30:21am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:30:21am |
re: #159 iceweasel
I dunno about that. The US is pretty damned good at locking the bad guys up securely.
I Figure if you break out of a supermax prison outside of Chicago and only speak Farsi out in the cornfields and you make it back to Pakistan?
You not only deserve the escape but movie rights also.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:30:22am |
re: #140 sandbox
Why should tax payers have to pay for his upkeep for 40 years?
Let’s say it costs $1 million a year to incarcerate him. That’s surely far more than reality, which I seem to recall is more like $50k - $75k, but we’ll go for the high end. Let’s say he’s in prison for 50 years. That’s a total of $50 million bucks.
There are more than 100 million taxpayers, but we’ll use that as our baseline. So the total cost per taxpayer works out to 50 cents - total, for his entire incarceration. A penny per year.
I’ve got a whole pocketful of change I’ll happily toss in, for those who don’t figure this is a bargain. Hell, with advances in medical science over the next half century, and the right kind of sentence, we might be able to keep him in there for a whole century. Plenty of time for him to ponder his decisions.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:31:49am |
Looks like drudge is electing to not cover the story. He did recently add an Adam Gadahn link though….
Al-Qaida calls on US Muslims to attack America
Al-Qaida’s American-born spokesman on Sunday called on Muslims serving in the U.S. armed forces to emulate the Army major charged with killing 13 people in Fort Hood.In a 25-minute video posted on militant Web sites, Adam Gadahn described Maj. Nidal Hasan as a pioneer who should serve as a role model for other Muslims, especially those serving Western militaries.
No mention of his capture.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:31:56am |
Just got here. HALLELUJAH!! Got the bastard alive too.
I agree that they are probably closing in on bin Laden, thanks to increased cooperation from the Pakistanis and quite possibly to some innovations that cannot yet be discussed in public.
Since Gadahn is a citizen and has already been indicted in federal court, he will certainly be tried by a civil court. With any luck he’ll get the needle before I die of natural causes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:32:20am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
So the total cost per taxpayer works out to 50 cents
I’d rather buy myself an extra cup of coffee
/
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:32:25am |
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:33:06am |
re: #174 SixDegrees
Do we have to give him prayer books and Halal food and meeting with his lawyers?
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Randy W. Weeks Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:33:20am |
The guy would be a hero with some segments of the prison population.
He needs the needle.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:33:25am |
re: #156 SanFranciscoZionist
How dangerous is Gadahn? Real question. Does this guy know a lot, or is he just the American in the al Qaeda road show?
Traitors should be tried and shot.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:33:30am |
re: #175 ryannon
We could also skin him alive limb by limb in the arena and let him crawl around until we throw him to the wild boars. Remember how much the plebe used to love that?
Good times, man.
That was completely unnecessary, and altogether untrue:
The Romans almost never used boars for those purposes.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:33:32am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:34:29am |
re: #182 LoneStarSpur
I smell something?
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:34:36am |
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:34:46am |
#tcot is a cesspool of crazy and hate, is there a liberal tag that compares?
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:35:32am |
re: #169 webevintage
she is a horrid, disgusting human being.
Oh yes.
In fact, if I had to predict the wingnut spin, it would be this:
1) what avanti said about “oh this is all because of the great groundwork by Bush, thank you Bush!”
2) Obama doesn’t get any credit, it was all our military. (temporary amnesia about CiC, etc)
3) Demands that we torture Gadahn regardless of how much info we already have.
4) (and this is the big one) Concern trolling about criminal trials, Miranda warnings, constitutional rights, — subtext being that Obama, Holder and the DOJ are somehow being ‘soft’ or ‘weak’ on terror and maybe— who knows? Al-Q sympathisers!!!11!
“Is it irresponsible to speculate?— it would be irresponsible not to!”
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:35:43am |
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:35:44am |
re: #185 Thanos
I’m twitter illiterate. How would I watch the # page myself?
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gadlaw Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:35:57am |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Looks like drudge is electing to not cover the story. He did recently add an Adam Gadahn link though…
Al-Qaida calls on US Muslims to attack America
No mention of his capture.
To be fair - it’s Oscar Hype time you know. All I’m seeing at the top of Drudge is Oscar ‘news’
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:36:38am |
re: #190 Walter L. Newton
It’s called DU… just larger tweets.
Oh, and they have gardening fora and such.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:36:51am |
re: #181 sandbox
Do we have to give him prayer books and Halal food and meeting with his lawyers?
We generally respect the religious rights of prisoners, within reason, and the ability to meet with one’s attorney’s isn’t going to be abridged for anyone.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:37:19am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:37:31am |
re: #181 sandbox
Do we have to give him prayer books and Halal food and meeting with his lawyers?
If he requests them.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:37:54am |
re: #191 Jadespring
I’m twitter illiterate. How would I watch the # page myself?
I just learned on the fly. Go to top of this page - on right side, follow me on twitter. Then bookmark that page, you can return @ any time.
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:38:38am |
re: #184 Guanxi88
That was completely unnecessary, and altogether untrue:
The Romans almost never used boars for those purposes.
True. But they did have public torture sessions in which they literally skinned people alive, leaving them to agonize death ensued.
As for being unnecessary, I’m just responding to Cato’s suggestion of inflicting life-long mental and physical torture at the taxpayer’s expense. This way, they could sell tickets and even turn a profit.
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keloyd Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:39:24am |
re: #196 Walter L. Newton
AND because we’re the grownups who are setting the example for the rest of humanity - either a good example or a cautionary example.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:39:40am |
re: #92 HoosierHoops
They do a great job..Look at all the Convictions Law & Order gets on almost no evidence..
I mean how many cases do they get of a crazy men screaming Death to America?! Declaring they are terrorists following God’s personal orders?
It’s a first year law students dream case…
That’ll probably be the season opener.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:39:50am |
re: #198 ryannon
True. But they did have public torture sessions in which they literally skinned people alive, leaving them to agonize death ensued.
As for being unnecessary, I’m just responding to Cato’s suggestion of inflicting life-long mental and physical torture at the taxpayer’s expense. This way, they could sell tickets and even turn a profit.
bah! prisoners who assault their fellow inmates are punished for it. Besides, better to fantasize about what the evil do to each other, than to try our hands at it.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:40:03am |
re: #198 ryannon
I think he was sarcastically chastising you for demeaning the boars.
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Or, not. My sarc meter’s in the shop.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:40:32am |
re: #202 Varek Raith
I think he was sarcastically chastising you for demeaning the boars.
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.
Or, not. My sarc meter’s in the shop.
my sarc tag’s un-needed - according to the wife, it’s my default mode.
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Shiplord Kirel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:41:12am |
re: #198 ryannon
True. But they did have public torture sessions in which they literally skinned people alive, leaving them to agonize death ensued.
As for being unnecessary, I’m just responding to Cato’s suggestion of inflicting life-long mental and physical torture at the taxpayer’s expense. This way, they could sell tickets and even turn a profit.
Good plan. I guess crucifixion in the Capitol parking lot might not sit well with certain religious leaders though.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:41:48am |
re: #205 Shiplord Kirel
Good plan. I guess crucifixion in the Capitol parking lot might not sit well with certain religious leaders though.
Depends, if there’s a menorah and a Kwanzaa display….
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:42:13am |
Ok let’s pretend we are UBL and Zawahiri for a second or two. We know that Obama is bombing the crap out of everything in Both Waziristans and sometimes other places if it even smells like AQ or Taliban from 50k feet.
We know that many old allies have fallen, and there aren’t any totally safe havens in the frontiers anymore.
If we are in either Peshawar, Karachi, or Quetta in an exurban compound we can feel the hunt closing in.
So where do we go next? Do we get the heck out of Pakistan? Do we head to Kashmir, Chechnya, Somalia, or Yemen if we do? Do we try for disguise and go someplace totally unexpected like UAE Venezuela or Brazil?
There aren’t many places of egress that aren’t welll watched at the moment - with the recent election problems and demos as well as the Jundullah bombings crossing via Iran doesn’t seem appealing unless you have a clear cut deal, and you know that the Pakistani authorities are going to be watching Taftan…. So is it a long trek to Srinagar, or boat, plane, train or auto out of Karachi?
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:42:25am |
re: #189 iceweasel
Oh yes.
In fact, if I had to predict the wingnut spin, it would be this:1) what avanti said about “oh this is all because of the great groundwork by Bush, thank you Bush!”
2) Obama doesn’t get any credit, it was all our military. (temporary amnesia about CiC, etc)
3) Demands that we torture Gadahn regardless of how much info we already have.
4) (and this is the big one) Concern trolling about criminal trials, Miranda warnings, constitutional rights, — subtext being that Obama, Holder and the DOJ are somehow being ‘soft’ or ‘weak’ on terror and maybe— who knows? Al-Q sympathisers!!!11!“Is it irresponsible to speculate?— it would be irresponsible not to!”
4. Is big on Hot Air. Holder flying over to read him his rights, a slap on the hand then a media tour according to some posts
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sandbox Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:43:02am |
Regarding numerous comments above—the gist of which is that if Gadahn was given life imprisonment, he would be tortured and beaten, etc by the other prisoners. So life imprisonment, in his case, is preferable to the death penalty. I do not think our prisons should be places where the prisoners are subject to beating by the guards and other prisoners.
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:43:03am |
Sorry for misreading…. but I believe it’s part of our duty as a nation not to sink to the same level of those we are punishing - no matter their crime.
Other than that, I’m quite happy they finally netted this mofo.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:43:05am |
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:43:30am |
re: #208 avanti
4. Is big on Hot Air. Holder flying over to read him his rights, a slap on the hand then a media tour according to some posts
That will be the dominant wingnut meme in the coming weeks.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:44:02am |
re: #209 sandbox
…?…?
?
Did I miss something?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:44:07am |
re: #108 Charles
If he’s convicted of treason, it carries the death penalty.
His position is somewhat like the Tokyo Rose(s) and Ezra Pound. I don’t think we went for the death penalty, and that was a very serious war.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:44:29am |
re: #165 keloyd
I’m in Texas, too. You’ve probably noticed the alarming number of people who have recently been released from Huntsville after DNA evidence proved them innocent. We’re not talking about procedural technicalities. We’re talking about scientific proof that the person on trial did not commit the crime of which they were accused and convicted. It’s not unreasonable to assume that similarly flawed prosecutions have lead to unjust executions.
People love to castigate lawyers as a bunch of malevolently dishonest bottom-feeders (a sentiment with which I don’t necessarily disagree), but somehow that distrust is suspended for prosecutors from the DA’s office. There are corrupt and/or stupid police, prosecutors, judges, and juries. In my opinion, a person can be trusted, but people cannot be trusted.
See why I’m against the death penalty?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:44:34am |
re: #208 avanti
4. Is big on Hot Air. Holder flying over to read him his rights, a slap on the hand then a media tour according to some posts
Those HA folks so conveniently forget he “you’re either with us or against us” rule.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:45:09am |
re: #214 Decatur Deb
Pound was clearly insane, though.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:45:20am |
Over on Hot Air, ‘Dusty’ writes:
So, what are the chances the WH told the Pakistanis that they needed a terrorist for a civilian trial and asked them to deliver Gadahn?
Well, I’ll be! Didn’t know you could do that! Can civilians fill in requests?
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:46:03am |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
Those HA folks so conveniently forget he “you’re either with us or against us” rule.
No they haven’t. Trust me, when Ed Morrissey tweets “we got him”, he and everyone else will continue to elaborate on the notion that Obama is not part of ‘we’.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:46:15am |
re: #214 Decatur Deb
His position is somewhat like the Tokyo Rose(s) and Ezra Pound. I don’t think we went for the death penalty, and that was a very serious war.
Lord Haw Haw.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:46:21am |
re: #217 Stanley Sea
Those HA folks so conveniently forget he “you’re either with us or against us” rule.
Ah, but subsection C, paragraph 3 states: This rule is null en void in the event that the your party is currently out of power.
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solomonpanting Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:47:09am |
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Randy W. Weeks Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:47:18am |
re: #186 Walter L. Newton
I smell something?
Sorry, Mr. Newton, but I don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:48:05am |
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:48:29am |
I suspect that if they go all nuclear bile on Obama for capturing Adam Gadahn that it will be a wake up moment for some in the TP movement, indeed for some it will be like a Major League “fuck you Jobu!” moment….
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:48:41am |
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:48:48am |
re: #218 Obdicut
Pound was clearly insane, though.
Poor old nut-job. Brilliant mind, but fundamentally unsound.
Like Kurtz in Apocalypse Now:
The man is clear in his mind, but his soul is mad.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:48:52am |
re: #226 Decatur Deb
He was Brit. Did they execute him?
I think he might be the last one they did for treason, yes.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:49:02am |
re: #226 Decatur Deb
He was Brit. Did they execute him?
They sure did. Actually he was not a Brit, he was Irish-American.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:49:27am |
re: #223 solomonpanting
Even for McVeigh?
I prefer to call it the death reward!
McVeigh planned and did what he wanted too so well, that how he gor ‘rewarded”!!
// somewhat
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:49:54am |
re: #225 LoneStarSpur
Sorry, Mr. Newton, but I don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
Another from the class of 2004.. You’ve made 15 posts in 5 years..
Mayday!
Mayday!
Nobody is buying the Bullshit
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reine.de.tout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:50:01am |
re: #191 Jadespring
I’m twitter illiterate. How would I watch the # page myself?
If you want to just watch, you can go to tweetgrid.com
And in the boxes above each column, you can use #tcot in one box,
#tcot #lgf in another box, and #lgf in another box. You’ll see everything going on with those tags.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:50:19am |
Constitution definition of treason.
“Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”
And it seems like the death penalty is the only warranted punishment.
” such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH; and that if any person “
NYT article…
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:50:31am |
re: #233 HoosierHoops
Another from the class of 2004.. You’ve made 15 posts in 5 years..
Mayday!
Mayday!
Nobody is buying the Bullshit
…what if you’re a farmer?!?!?
/
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:50:31am |
re: #187 Varek Raith
Retweet, is that like a sophisticated dogpile?
;)
“Don’t make me steamroll you. Steamroller!”
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:50:58am |
I am thankful that the son-of-a-gun. It does not matter how or who.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:51:12am |
re: #231 Alouette
They sure did. Actually he was not a Brit, he was Irish-American.
A lot of the Irish (my ethnos) hated the British enough to help the Axis. Quite a deal with theDevil.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:51:35am |
re: #233 HoosierHoops
Another from the class of 2004.. You’ve made 15 posts in 5 years..
Mayday!
Mayday!
Nobody is buying the Bullshit
I don’t know… the comment was odd… just wondering. We’ll find out, or Charles will.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:07am |
re: #227 Thanos
I suspect that if they go all nuclear bile on Obama for capturing Adam Gadahn that it will be a wake up moment for some in the TP movement, indeed for some it will be like a Major League “fuck you Jobu!” moment…
My guess is the wingnuts will complain about whatever trial arrangements are made, lawyers appointed, judges etc. The Neo-con thing is pretty freshly dead on the right and the Alex Jones conspiracies about the War on Terror are still taking hold on the right. Give them another year or so and the Tea Parties will be claiming these arrests are false flag operations to justify World Government.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:09am |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
A lot of the Irish (my ethnos) hated the British enough to help the Axis. Quite a deal with theDevil.
And a lot gritted their teeth and went to throw in with the British war effort. To be perfectly fair.
;)
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:13am |
addendum: was caught. Sorry my brain is not working too well today.
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keloyd Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:31am |
re: #216 negativ
So would you rather be the innocent who dies in prison after 40 years or die in 6 months at Huntsville? Of course competent and honest law enforcement is preferable, but I’m saying I’d rather get the nonsense overwith and take the lethal injection, if it was me, and I was innocent. I may be in the minority on that.
There’s a local pol in Dallas who is a big player in the “Innocence Project” that raises funds for DNA testing…whose name escapes me. He was on Colbert’s show once. If you know local Dallas politics, know this. John Wiley Price hates this guy, which is all I need to know to love this guy. So far, he’s only been able to test a few hundred convicts. If you’re innocent and in prison, the odds are you will rot there. I’ll take the quick exit.
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:48am |
re: #225 LoneStarSpur
Sorry, Mr. Newton, but I don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
I think he’s suspicious that you have posted 15 times in six years.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:52:52am |
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
Constitution definition of treason.
“Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”
And it seems like the death penalty is the only warranted punishment.
” such person or persons shall be adjudged guilty of treason against the United States, and SHALL SUFFER DEATH; and that if any person “
NYT article…
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
“Now, you’re going to feel a little pressure here, and then just a slight stick…”
(BTW - why do they use alcohol pads to sterilize the insertion site? Always puzzled me.)
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:53:03am |
re: #228 Jadespring
LOL. As I said illiterate. I have no idea what this even means. Thank you though I should just get with it a learn how to use it.
Ok go to the retweet button up top, it should pull up your twitter page when you click it. The text and link will be in the message box, so just type in #tcot at the end and press return
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:53:13am |
re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist
And a lot gritted their teeth and went to throw in with the British war effort. To be perfectly fair.
;)
Most of those who didn’t sit it out, I would hope.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:53:18am |
re: #233 HoosierHoops
Another from the class of 2004.. You’ve made 15 posts in 5 years..
Mayday!
Mayday!
Nobody is buying the Bullshit
Three words.
Time. Dilation. Field.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:53:37am |
re: #246 Guanxi88
“Now, you’re going to feel a little pressure here, and then just a slight stick…”
(BTW - why do they use alcohol pads to sterilize the insertion site? Always puzzled me.)
Force of habit, I think. You follow the procedures, no matter how looney they become in the face of an execution.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:54:39am |
re: #246 Guanxi88
“Now, you’re going to feel a little pressure here, and then just a slight stick…”
(BTW - why do they use alcohol pads to sterilize the insertion site? Always puzzled me.)
Irony.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:54:43am |
re: #248 Decatur Deb
Most of those who didn’t sit it out, I would hope.
Although there is a charming joke about a U-Boat that surfaces on the west coast of Ireland, looking for an operative they know only as Murphy…
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:54:51am |
re: #241 Killgore Trout
My guess is the wingnuts will complain about whatever trial arrangements are made, lawyers appointed, judges etc. The Neo-con thing is pretty freshly dead on the right and the Alex Jones conspiracies about the War on Terror are still taking hold on the right. Give them another year or so and the Tea Parties will be claiming these arrests are false flag operations to justify World Government.
I agree, I suspect by time we get to start of election season 2012 (which will be after 1st q 2011) that the Tea partiers and Republicans in general will go full bore anti war.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:54:53am |
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:54:57am |
re: #205 Shiplord Kirel
Good plan. I guess crucifixion in the Capitol parking lot might not sit well with certain religious leaders though.
Even as he was about to be arrested he published praise for his fellow traitor, the Ft. Hood Islamofascist terrorist mass murderer.
For a treasonous scumbatg like him a firing squad would work just fine for me.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:55:27am |
re: #250 SanFranciscoZionist
Force of habit, I think. You follow the procedures, no matter how looney they become in the face of an execution.
Probably correct - there’s so much ritual that comes to be built up around executions that I suppose this is just our addition to “tipping the headsman,” the last cigarette, etc.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:56:06am |
re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist
Although there is a charming joke about a U-Boat that surfaces on the west coast of Ireland, looking for an operative they know only as Murphy…
Don’t know it (though the problem is obvious). Tell it on St. Patrick’s Day.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:56:40am |
re: #258 Guanxi88
I just remembered why!
Its for the mental health of the technicians… They feel much better if it feels like a medical procedure.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:56:44am |
I have a dream. It involves GW or someone like him getting pushed over the edge about the direction the far right is heading and speaking out in time to right the ship. Like I said, just a dream, but we need another “Have you no shame moment” IMHO.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:56:57am |
re: #256 windsagio
Innocent people sometimes get vindicated later, and get out, dead people don’t :p
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
would you know what ‘corruption of blood’ means? Also, that’s one scary law.
Yes… ‘corruption of blood’ is in regards to “sins of the father” and the fact that under US law, a fathers (family member) actions do not reflect down on the family… no punitive actions can be taken against the family.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:57:20am |
re: #261 windsagio
I just remembered why!
Its for the mental health of the technicians… They feel much better if it feels like a medical procedure.
That makes sense, that makes a lot of sense. It had never occurred to me that the tech’s doing it might have qualms.
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simoom Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:57:29am |
re: #189 iceweasel
Oh yes.
In fact, if I had to predict the wingnut spin, it would be this:
…
2) Obama doesn’t get any credit, it was all our military. (temporary amnesia about CiC, etc)
How about a variation on that where Obama gets some credit, but only for motivating the Pakistanis by being so incredibly weak on terror.
Hot Air commenter:
It does seem that the Pakistanis are doing a better job of rounding up the terrorists hiding in their country.My take is that after the election of Obama, knowing that he is weak, they knew that they couldn’t count on the support and help they need from him.
Since the terrorists have designs on taking over the Pakistani government and so get control of their nukes, they are smart enough to see that they can’t trust Obama to have their backs.
Jvette on March 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:10am |
re: #264 Guanxi88
Apparently executioners don’t last long at the job, unless they’re REALLY REALLY SICK.
Another example also: The 5 blanks 1 bullet firing squad.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:21am |
re: #256 windsagio
Innocent people sometimes get vindicated later, and get out, dead people don’t :p
re: #235 Walter L. Newton
would you know what ‘corruption of blood’ means? Also, that’s one scary law.
IIRC, ‘corruption of blood’ traditionally referred to the concept in English law that penalties also went to the relatives of a convicted traitor, in terms of inheritance (property went to the Crown), etc., etc.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:24am |
re: #266 simoom
It’s a double reverse twist with a backward Lindy-hop… and he sticks the landing!
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:47am |
re: #266 simoom
How about a variation on that where Obama gets some credit, but only for motivating the Pakistanis by being so incredibly weak on terror.
Oh wingnuttery, you never disappoint me!
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:55am |
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:58:56am |
re: #262 avanti
I don’t think that will happen until after 2012.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:59:08am |
re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist
IIRC, ‘corruption of blood’ traditionally referred to the concept in English law that penalties also went to the relatives of a convicted traitor, in terms of inheritance (property went to the Crown), etc., etc.
…and not for vampirism…?
;)
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:59:38am |
re: #271 Walter L. Newton
We have fun unless we get on the subject of <REDACTED> :D
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:59:43am |
re: #228 Jadespring
LOL. As I said illiterate. I have no idea what this even means. Thank you though I should just get with it a learn how to use it.
i disagree. resist. i’m sure i could figure it out too but somehow people always post the most important tweets!
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bratwurst Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:00:10pm |
re: #264 Guanxi88
It had never occurred to me that the tech’s doing it might have qualms.
Don’t go all “bleeding heart” on us now.
/
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Randy W. Weeks Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:00:40pm |
re: #245 austin_blue
/shrug
I’m not particularly well read or bright and don’t usually have much to say so I lurk and learn.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:00:45pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:00:58pm |
re: #266 simoom
Hot Air commenter:
It does seem that the Pakistanis are doing a better job of rounding up the terrorists hiding in their country.
My take is that after the election of Obama, knowing that he is weak, they knew that they couldn’t count on the support and help they need from him.Since the terrorists have designs on taking over the Pakistani government and so get control of their nukes, they are smart enough to see that they can’t trust Obama to have their backs.
Jvette on March 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM
That’s a good one! I’ll bet that becomes the talking point. Watch as every right wing blogger starts parroting it.
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:01:42pm |
re: #270 iceweasel
Oh wingnuttery, you never disappoint me!
They really are easy to predict aren’t they?
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:01:45pm |
re: #267 windsagio
“Welcome to Hanging House. Not to worry, all are equal in my eye.”
— Blazing Saddles
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:01:52pm |
re: #276 bratwurst
Don’t go all “bleeding heart” on us now.
/
Little risk of that. My neurologist, the therapist - along with my wife and damned near everyone who’s ever had to deal with me - knows I have a real problem with the “empathy thing.” Buncha whiners!
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:01pm |
re: #279 Charles
That’s a good one! I’ll bet that becomes the talking point. Watch as every right wing blogger starts parroting it.
That’s one hell of a good logic pretzel!
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:07pm |
re: #266 simoom
Newspeak from the right: “Weakness is strength” Obama is so weak, we are kicking ass out of fear./
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jaunte Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:12pm |
re: #266 simoom
My take is that after the election of Obama, knowing that he is weak, they knew that they couldn’t count on the support and help they need from him.
Incredibly twisty.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:22pm |
re: #225 LoneStarSpur
Sorry, Mr. Newton, but I don’t have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.
Well think about it.. You are a member of the famous class of 2004.. Most of you folks flounced out last year.. Don’t be pulling the I don’t know what you are talking about Bullshit here…You have made 15 posts over the years and come here now talking trash.. This is your chance to be be righteous or get your ass kicked…
Trust me..something is going to happen one way or another…
I don’t think the Lizards are going to buy the bullshit anymore pal…
Be straightup…We’ve seen better than you that will ever be flounce here.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:27pm |
re: #279 Charles
That’s a good one! I’ll bet that becomes the talking point. Watch as every right wing blogger starts parroting it.
See 278 Kerry and Obama Dunnit, the stories and trips are in the archives and they can’t deny it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:34pm |
re: #277 LoneStarSpur
/shrug
I’m not particularly well read or bright and don’t usually have much to say so I lurk and learn.
You’ll learn more faster if you jump in with something outrageous.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:02:57pm |
re: #284 avanti
Hey its very biblical: “blessed are the meek” and all that :)
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:03:15pm |
re: #277 LoneStarSpur
/shrug
I’m not particularly well read or bright and don’t usually have much to say so I lurk and learn.
Join in anyway… there is no test for acceptance in this group, except for a thick skin and a warped sense of humor.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:03:22pm |
re: #288 Decatur Deb
You’ll learn more faster if you jump in with something outrageous.
SpaceJesus has positive karma.
:P
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:03:26pm |
re: #280 webevintage
They really are easy to predict aren’t they?
There’s always some little twist, like the one simoon just posted. “The credit doesn’t go to Obama, it goes to Pakistan! PS and it’s because Obama’s WEAK!”
I hope we can start calling them fake-triots now.
Ah wingnuttery, I just can’t quit you.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:04:16pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:04:17pm |
great news … props to all involved … elections today in Iraq and the capture of a legitimate traitor. EVERYONE’s policies worked today.
Now I wonder …. who will be gadanh’s lawyer? Is lynn stewart out of the joint and still practicing?
/
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:04:35pm |
re: #275 Aceofwhat?
i disagree. resist. i’m sure i could figure it out too but somehow people always post the most important tweets!
Tweetgrid seems to works well. I can watch but don’t have to sign up for anything or get drawn further into another time sucker.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:04:47pm |
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:04:55pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:05:08pm |
Ah, nothing like good news to make one silly.
:)
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:05:36pm |
re: #299 Ojoe
Actually I’m from 1950 in that sense.
Well, you’ve managed to fit in fairly well here, although I’ll warn you that your support for the Whigs is a real “tell”.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:05:37pm |
re: #285 jaunte
Incredibly twisty.
Even a leftie spinner would have to be impressed by that one, and we are pretty good at it.
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:05:46pm |
The rest of the story: Zardari is in a world of hurt right now and needs all the help he can get, PPP is trying to stay in power.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:05:47pm |
re: #294 Guanxi88
They need to lend me their machines. There’s a few concerts I wanna go back and see.
You willin’ to help a brother out, Joe?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:06:27pm |
re: #294 Guanxi88
Dammit! How many time-travelers we got here, anyway?
I’m kindof feeling bad.. Dude seems cool but we have had so many freaks from 2004 this last year..
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Randy W. Weeks Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:06:43pm |
re: #286 HoosierHoops
Well think about it.. You are a member of the famous class of 2004.. Most of you folks flounced out last year.. Don’t be pulling the I don’t know what you are talking about Bullshit here…You have made 15 posts over the years and come here now talking trash.. This is your chance to be be righteous or get your ass kicked…
Trust me..something is going to happen one way or another…
I don’t think the Lizards are going to buy the bullshit anymore pal…
Be straightup…We’ve seen better than you that will ever be flounce here.
umm…guess I should go back to lurking. I like Charles even though I’m a progressive. But I also am glad we got this asshat and even though I’m generally against the death penalty, I’ll make an exception with this turd.
Sorry…no flounces here. I like the place and most of the people.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:06:51pm |
re: #305 windsagio
They need to lend me their machines. There’s a few concerts I wanna go back and see.
You willin’ to help a brother out, Joe?
Screw the concerts, man! I’m buying stock and baseball cards!
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:21pm |
I’m not a big fan of psychological analysis of political issues but this article from Psychology Today is interesting….
We Need to Have Empathy for Tea Partiers
Paranoid beliefs about Obama and the government promulgated by the ultra-right have a similar genesis and meaning. In the Times story about the tea-party movement, the writer describes how most tea-party activists are not loyal Republicans. “They are frequently political neophytes,” he writes, “who prize independence and tell strikingly similar stories of having been awakened by the recession. Their families upended by lost jobs, foreclosed homes and depleted retirement funds, they said they wanted to know why it happened and whom to blame.”
They began listening to Beck, reading the Federalist Papers, books by Ayn Rand and George Orwell, and started visiting radical right wing websites. The Times writer then makes a crucial observation: “Many describe emerging from their research as if reborn to a new reality.” In other words, like my patients, the tea party folks find in their paranoid views about politics a narrative that “explains it all,” that reduces their sense of helpless confusion, and that channels their feelings of victimization into ones of self-righteous militancy. They go from passive victim to active agent, from guilty to innocent, but all at the price of distorting reality into one full of malevolent conspiracies.
The payoff is that they are no longer confused. They are reborn and now, thankfully, have the “answer.” And that answer is that big forces are hurting and enslaving them.
It’s worth a read for those curious about the irresistible attraction of anti-government conspiracies.
Also found this interesting…..
I have never been able to help a paranoid patient even a little bit by arguing with his or her view of reality. Not one bit. The only way I have been able to make any headway is use our relationship to provide real experiences that have a shot at providing an alternative and more satisfying “solution” to their underlying fears. Only then can I begin to offer a counter-narrative, one that acknowledges their pain and innocence, but enables them to more accurately identify its sources and, therefore, its antidote.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:22pm |
re: #309 LoneStarSpur
umm…guess I should go back to lurking. I like Charles even though I’m a progressive. But I also am glad we got this asshat and even though I’m generally against the death penalty, I’ll make an exception with this turd.
Sorry…no flounces here. I like the place and most of the people.
Then stick around and contribute
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:33pm |
re: #309 LoneStarSpur
This really is a Centrist place if you ask me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:41pm |
re: #310 Guanxi88
Screw the concerts, man! I’m buying stock and baseball cards!
Hello? Time machine. Think grander!
;)
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:44pm |
re: #223 solomonpanting
Even for McVeigh?
What’s done is done, but I’d rather know that he’s in the day room, utterly and completely unable to do anything about the fact that Barak Obama is President of the United States. For years and years and years and years.
McVeigh was a guy who was so pissed off at what he thought was “The Government” that it was, in his view, totally okay to murder hundreds of men, women, and children that were not in any way responsible for the things that pissed him off so much.
So yes… to me, that warrants decades in a shit-hole far more than an appointment with a needle.
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:45pm |
re: #302 Guanxi88
Well, you’ve managed to fit in fairly well here, although I’ll warn you that your support for the Whigs is a real “tell”.
And what is your exact relationship to the Mt. Wilson Towercam?
Don’t think we haven’t noticed things like that.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:07:54pm |
re: #310 Guanxi88
I think its funny that neither of us would solve the great mysteries of History >>
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:08:24pm |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
hey ,, did you call your insurance company!?!?
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:08:40pm |
re: #309 LoneStarSpur
Sorry..I really am.. You came on with a standard template from this last year..
I’m deeply sorry.. Please post and tell us about yourself…
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:08:43pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
I’m kindof feeling bad.. Dude seems cool but we have had so many freaks from 2004 this last year..
It’s like the Oort Cloud. Every once in a while a disturbance sends one crashing through.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:08:50pm |
re: #246 Guanxi88
“Now, you’re going to feel a little pressure here, and then just a slight stick…”
(BTW - why do they use alcohol pads to sterilize the insertion site? Always puzzled me.)
alcohol lyses everything. don’t get me started about triclosan-based soap!
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:08:52pm |
re: #314 Varek Raith
Hello? Time machine. Think grander!
;)
You’re not proposing I go and loot all of history, are you? ‘Cause if so, I’m gonna need some help hauling the swag back.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:09:40pm |
re: #295 _RememberTonyC
great news … props to all involved … elections today in Iraq and the capture of a legitimate traitor. EVERYONE’s policies worked today.
Now I wonder … who will be gadanh’s lawyer? Is lynn stewart out of the joint and still practicing?
/
Geoffrey Feiger.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:10:19pm |
re: #320 Decatur Deb
Well you know, back in the day they couldn’t tell the stance on islam from political belief in general. Once the difference started showing, they were shocked and appalled.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:10:21pm |
re: #322 Guanxi88
You’re not proposing I go and loot all of history, are you? ‘Cause if so, I’m gonna need some help hauling the swag back.
But, you’ll have all the time in the world!
I’ll help. Taj Mahal goes in the back.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:10:37pm |
re: #317 windsagio
I think its funny that neither of us would solve the great mysteries of History >>
hey, i leave that to those better equipped. Me? I;d just try to enrich myself.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:11:20pm |
re: #325 Varek Raith
But, you’ll have all the time in the world!
I’ll help. Taj Mahal goes in the back.
Seems to me you could but a coupla galleons in the Taj. If ya pack things tightly like that, far fewer trips.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:11:27pm |
re: #325 Varek Raith
you guys are so crude.
Why risk changing history, when all you have to do is go back and take some video of the sermon on the mount (presuming it happened) or maybe Caesars entrance into Rome?
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Randall Gross Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:11:30pm |
Hoo haa!
Wooo eeeee!
Adam Gadahn Eat Me!
/sorry couldn’t resist
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:11:40pm |
re: #323 Alouette
Geoffrey Feiger.
didn’t fieger also represent jack kevorkian? there’s a certain symmetry there!
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:11:45pm |
re: #277 LoneStarSpur
/shrug
I’m not particularly well read or bright and don’t usually have much to say so I lurk and learn.
heh. never stopped me…
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:12:00pm |
re: #328 windsagio
you guys are so crude.
Why risk changing history, when all you have to do is go back and take some video of the sermon on the mount (presuming it happened) or maybe Caesars entrance into Rome?
Why bother, amigo? With CGI and what have you, it would never be believed.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:12:20pm |
re: #311 Killgore Trout
This bit certainly fits the Glen Reynolds piece linked earlier:
For new tea-party members, however, the drift toward paranoia is facilitated by the right-wing media machine that offers several ready-made narratives perfectly designed to help its consumers clear up their confusion, understand their helplessness, absolve them of any blame, and offer a way out. The conspiratorial alliance of business and government, a growing tyranny intended to disenfranchise, disarm, and exploit ordinary citizens, secret pacts to overthrow the constitution, etc. all currently led by an un-American, godless, colored, elitist, contemptuous, foreigner—Barack Hussein Obama. A grim and frightening picture of the world to be sure.Psychologically speaking, however, it offers relief from helplessness and a sense that things are falling apart. It offers a sense of cohesion and identity based on certainty, a commonality of interests, innocence, and even martyrdom. While the world of the tea-party’ers is filled with danger, it is a danger mitigated by moral certainty, clarity of purpose, and a definable external enemy.
psychologytoday.com
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:12:26pm |
re: #324 windsagio
Well you know, back in the day they couldn’t tell the stance on islam from political belief in general. Once the difference started showing, they were shocked and appalled.
I don’t know LGF from much before the last election. I think there were just a lot of shocked people around after 9/11.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:12:57pm |
re: #332 Guanxi88
hmm. Maybe steal the true cross then? I want something that people won’t NOTICE.
Altho that goes back to your stock manipulations >>
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:13:13pm |
re: #328 windsagio
you guys are so crude.
Why risk changing history, when all you have to do is go back and take some video of the sermon on the mount (presuming it happened) or maybe Caesars entrance into Rome?
Temporal paradoxes are not my concern… Besides, I’ll go back in time, again, and prevent myself from changing history….while still keeping what I pilfered from the now alternate time line.
Win-win.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:13:24pm |
Wow #tcot is interesting. I just learned that Obama’s socks don’t match his pants!
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:13:30pm |
re: #335 Decatur Deb
That’s a better way to put it, thanks :)
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:13:46pm |
re: #329 Thanos
Hoo haa!
Wooo eee!
Adam Gadahn Eat Me!
/sorry couldn’t resist
Is that you, Bernd Brandes?
(really bad taste here)
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:14:04pm |
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:14:04pm |
re: #340 MandyManners
I sense great anger in you, young one.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:14:27pm |
re: #336 windsagio
hmm. Maybe steal the true cross then? I want something that people won’t NOTICE.
Altho that goes back to your stock manipulations >>
Autographs - I’d collect a TON of autographs.
And I’d pay the Italian and Dutch masters to do duplicates of their works.
Oh! And I’d help the romans develop gunpowder and the steam engine.
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Pamela Gellar [sic(k)] Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:14:30pm |
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:14:46pm |
re: #338 Jadespring
Alert the fashion mavens. They must know of this “breech.” LOL
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:15:19pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Autographs - I’d collect a TON of autographs.
And I’d pay the Italian and Dutch masters to do duplicates of their works.Oh! And I’d help the romans develop gunpowder and the steam engine.
Though, for fun, we should give a few tactical nuclear devices…
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:15:21pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Maybe whisper to Augustus: “You know that guy Tiberius? Bad idea.”
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:15:31pm |
re: #336 windsagio
hmm. Maybe steal the true cross then? I want something that people won’t NOTICE.
Altho that goes back to your stock manipulations >>
“Look at me,” I said to my husband. “Do you know who you are looking at? You are looking at a vain and shallow woman who left St. Peter’s while the Pope was celebrating Mass to buy a splinter of the True Cross from a man wearing twelve wristwatches.”
—Erma Bombeck
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:07pm |
By the way, Fox News and the right wing kookosphere have been gradually bringing Alex Jones into the mainstream for the past year — and last night Fox News finally stopped tiptoeing around and put Jones on Geraldo’s mindless show.
He complained that people “demonize” 9/11 Truthers, which is one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever heard. They’re self-demonizing.
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:08pm |
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:36pm |
re: #310 Guanxi88
Screw the concerts, man! I’m buying stock and baseball cards!
Cremona, 1710:
How much you want for them fiddles, Signor Stradivari??
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:51pm |
re: #350 Charles
They’re just victims of the evil (left or right, pick)-leaning MSM!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:52pm |
re: #267 windsagio
Apparently executioners don’t last long at the job, unless they’re REALLY REALLY SICK.
Another example also: The 5 blanks 1 bullet firing squad.
I could never do that job, nor witness an execution. Ever.
Another job where people burn out really quickly is at your local animal pound; the folks who put the animals “to sleep” get burned out really fast.
I don’t know how any normal person could do either execution job and feel right about it.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:16:54pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Autographs - I’d collect a TON of autographs.
And I’d pay the Italian and Dutch masters to do duplicates of their works.Oh! And I’d help the romans develop gunpowder and the steam engine.
Screw that “Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur’s Court” crap!
“Crazed Jewbilly in the Reign of Augustus” has a far better ring to it.
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:17:04pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Oh! And I’d help the Romans develop gunpowder and the steam engine.
THAT would really be interesting!
The Romans had concrete already (they invented it)
I would give them rebar.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:17:19pm |
re: #352 austin_blue
those woulnd’t work, they have to age to get their sound. I guess you could stash them somewhere >>
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:17:20pm |
re: #352 austin_blue
Cremona, 1710:
How much you want for them fiddles, Signor Stradivari??
Do I get a break if I buy three or more?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:17:34pm |
re: #330 _RememberTonyC
didn’t fieger also represent jack kevorkian? there’s a certain symmetry there!
Feiger represented Jack the Dripper initially, but then dropped him like a hot potato after Jack wanted to play the video of him offing his patient.
Feiger doesn’t like to lose, but that’s all he’s been doing for the last several years.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:17:43pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
“Look at me,” I said to my husband. “Do you know who you are looking at? You are looking at a vain and shallow woman who left St. Peter’s while the Pope was celebrating Mass to buy a splinter of the True Cross from a man wearing twelve wristwatches.”
—Erma Bombeck
A piece from a church in Vicenza was on eBay about a week ago.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:18:05pm |
re: #318 sattv4u2
hey ,, did you call your insurance company!?!?
Nobody’s there on weekends. I’ll call tomorrow but I’m pretty sure I’ve figured out what’s happening. White House Seizes On Goldman Sachs Report Of Health Premiums Rising. Basically the insurance companies have figured out that if they jack up rates enough they price some consumers out of the market but the extra money from increased premiums from people who are still capable of paying increases their profits.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:18:09pm |
re: #354 reine.de.tout
I could never do that job, nor witness an execution. Ever.
Another job where people burn out really quickly is at your local animal pound; the folks who put the animals “to sleep” get burned out really fast.
I don’t know how any normal person could do either execution job and feel right about it.
I think I’d do better with people who were convicted of something bad than animals who just got sick, or were ‘extra’. Emotionally speaking.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:18:53pm |
re: #334 jaunte
This bit certainly fits the Glen Reynolds piece linked earlier:
Yeah, I think it fits pretty well.
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zora Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:18:58pm |
the interview has begun on cnn with the hamas double agent.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:06pm |
re: #355 Guanxi88
Screw that “Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur’s Court” crap!
“Crazed Jewbilly in the Reign of Augustus” has a far better ring to it.
On your way to Masada you might want to blow the springs at Ein Gedi.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:11pm |
re: #295 _RememberTonyC
great news … props to all involved … elections today in Iraq and the capture of a legitimate traitor. EVERYONE’s policies worked today.
Now I wonder … who will be gadanh’s lawyer? Is lynn stewart out of the joint and still practicing?
/
You know who needs another wacky client?
Oily Taintz Esquire, DDS, Realtor, that’s who.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:25pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Autographs - I’d collect a TON of autographs.
And I’d pay the Italian and Dutch masters to do duplicates of their works.Oh! And I’d help the romans develop gunpowder and the steam engine.
There’s actually a really bizarre couple of books set in an alternative history where, among other things, the Roman develop the steam engine, and then find the New World.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:49pm |
re: #350 Charles
By the way, Fox News and the right wing kookosphere have been gradually bringing Alex Jones into the mainstream for the past year — and last night Fox News finally stopped tiptoeing around and put Jones on Geraldo’s mindless show.
He complained that people “demonize” 9/11 Truthers, which is one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever heard. They’re self-demonizing.
Wow.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:19:51pm |
re: #355 Guanxi88
Screw that “Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur’s Court” crap!
“Crazed Jewbilly in the Reign of Augustus” has a far better ring to it.
“jewbilly”
LOL.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:20:02pm |
re: #350 Charles
By the way, Fox News and the right wing kookosphere have been gradually bringing Alex Jones into the mainstream for the past year — and last night Fox News finally stopped tiptoeing around and put Jones on Geraldo’s mindless show.
He complained that people “demonize” 9/11 Truthers, which is one of the most hilarious things I’ve ever heard. They’re self-demonizing.
roger ailes will soon be getting an email from me ….. again
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:20:04pm |
re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist
Alternate historians love Rome and the Civil war more than all other subjects combined :)
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:20:22pm |
re: #356 Ojoe
THAT would really be interesting!
The Romans had concrete already (they invented it)
I would give them rebar.
Fritos and Coca-Cola. And then I’d buy Capri and retire.
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Guanxi88 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:20:31pm |
re: #355 Guanxi88
Screw that “Connecticut Yankee at King Arthur’s Court” crap!
“Crazed Jewbilly in the Reign of Augustus” has a far better ring to it.
Roman Legions with flintlocks! Tuterborg Forest goes down as yet ANOTHER pointless germanic attack, with folk back in Rome complaining about the waste of powder on those savages.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:20:51pm |
The implications of the Adam Gadahn arrest are starting to sink in at #tcot:
MSM gearing up for love-fest…We better thicken our skin if Bin Laden is captured/killed on Obamas watch
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:04pm |
this guy Yousef on Amampour is riveting, BTW.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:16pm |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Just make sure you get names/ times of whoever you talk too. Be pro-active with them and get on record
I have been there with insurance, credita card companies and other people I owed monies too
MOST will work with you IF you take the initiative and they don’t have to come to you
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:20pm |
re: #376 ryannon
I’d be careful about that, its a good way to get found guilty of treason so some sybarite emperor can have your island and villa for free >>
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:26pm |
re: #357 windsagio
those woulnd’t work, they have to age to get their sound. I guess you could stash them somewhere >>
Sure. Once you gotcher time machine, anything goes. Woo Hoo!
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:36pm |
re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist
The novel The Far Arena is about a Roman gladiator who was frozen for about 2,000 years then brought back to our time.
It is a great read.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:45pm |
Sure enough, here it is….
Alex Jones on Geraldo Media sought to demonize 9/11 truth Exposed
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:54pm |
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:21:58pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:22:11pm |
re: #377 Guanxi88
Roman Legions with flintlocks! Tuterborg Forest goes down as yet ANOTHER pointless germanic attack, with folk back in Rome complaining about the waste of powder on those savages.
Meanwhile another Roman delegation returns empty-handed from negotiations with the Judean Empire.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:23:01pm |
re: #380 MandyManners
Of course Amanpour has to frame it as “growing up under Israeli occupation”.
speaking of annoying biatches
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:23:16pm |
re: #388 Alouette
Meanwhile another Roman delegation returns empty-handed from negotiations with the Judean Empire.
Not even a token bag of Myhrr!?!?!
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jaunte Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:23:37pm |
Glen Reynolds /Roger Kimball are noting Gadahn’s capture, with an immediate ‘BUT!’ where will Eric Holder try him?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:23:39pm |
re: #384 Ojoe
The novel The Far Arena is about a Roman gladiator who was frozen for about 2,000 years then brought back to our time.
It is a great read.
I started a writing a bad one about a neural re-creation of Dante. He would think us all to be demons.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:24:12pm |
re: #359 Alouette
Feiger represented Jack the Dripper initially, but then dropped him like a hot potato after Jack wanted to play the video of him offing his patient.
Feiger doesn’t like to lose, but that’s all he’s been doing for the last several years.
then gadahn should be right up his alley ……. add another loser to the list ….
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:24:15pm |
re: #374 windsagio
Alternate historians love Rome and the Civil war more than all other subjects combined :)
Harry Turtledove, anyone?
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:24:26pm |
re: #392 Decatur Deb
Did you ever read Niven’s Dante book? Pretty interesting stuff.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:24:34pm |
re: #267 windsagio
Apparently executioners don’t last long at the job, unless they’re REALLY REALLY SICK.
Another example also: The 5 blanks 1 bullet firing squad.
I believe it’s five bullets, one blank. You can’t be sure the guy will croak with just one round.
In Gadahn’s case, I would pay to be one of the party.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:24:54pm |
re: #381 sattv4u2
I don’t expect much in terms of results from talking to them, I’m just curious if they can give me a projection about future rate increases (which I don’t think they’d tell me even if they wanted to). I don’t have any confidence that they’ll actually pay my costs even if I do get seriously sick anyways. They’d probably just drop me. I think paying the premiums might just be a waste of money.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:25:12pm |
re: #393 MandyManners
I’ll watch it as long as she shuts up and lets him speak.
i’ll stay with Lakers/Magic on ABC for now :)
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:25:15pm |
re: #380 MandyManners
Of course Amanpour has to frame it as “growing up under Israeli occupation”.
she’s powerless next to him.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:25:19pm |
re: #397 Cato the Elder
That certainly does make alot more sense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:25:22pm |
Thing is, except for Lindsay Davis, I really can’t hardly stand anything that gets written about Rome.
Oh, and I liked the HBO show.
But basically, I don’t LIKE the Roman Empire very much.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:25:40pm |
re: #395 austin_blue
Nah. I am saving my pennies for “Mission of Honor.”
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:20pm |
re: #385 Killgore Trout
It’s still amazing to see that on Fox? Could you imagine this happening on FOX 2 years ago?
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:27pm |
with a time machine you could buy a 1913 Mercer
and stash it & retrieve it today when it would be worth $$$.
BBL
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:50pm |
re: #374 windsagio
Alternate historians love Rome and the Civil war more than all other subjects combined :)
What if…?
The Russian Revolution failed
The Muslims won at Vienna
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was really true
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:58pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Thing is, except for Lindsay Davis, I really can’t hardly stand anything that gets written about Rome.
Oh, and I liked the HBO show.
But basically, I don’t LIKE the Roman Empire very much.
I liked Russel Crow in Gladiator.
What a stud
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:26:58pm |
re: #405 PhillyPretzel
Nah. I am saving my pennies for “Mission of Honor.”
Two words:
“Public Library”
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:27:26pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Greeks are SO much more interesting than Romans.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:27:39pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Thing is, except for Lindsay Davis, I really can’t hardly stand anything that gets written about Rome.
Oh, and I liked the HBO show.
But basically, I don’t LIKE the Roman Empire very much.
I like the way they were portrayed in “Life of Brian.” A bunch of fun loving guys.
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:06pm |
re: #410 Alouette
If the Union had lost the Civil War the USA would not have been there to help stop Hitler; only 80 years separate the two conflicts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:24pm |
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:25pm |
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:25pm |
re: #414 Alouette
I like the way they were portrayed in “Life of Brian.” A bunch of fun loving guys.
Hello, Centurian!!
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:27pm |
re: #410 Alouette
Its a brave psychopath that touches that last one.
There have been a few good ‘nazis win WW2’ and ‘russians invade america’ ones, tho’.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:34pm |
re: #396 windsagio
Did you ever read Niven’s Dante book? Pretty interesting stuff.
Can’t find a Niven on the shelf. What title? I’ve got something like “In the Hand of Dante”. Can’t find it either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:37pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:28:48pm |
re: #413 windsagio
No, however, in terms of engineering and construction.
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Cato the Elder Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:29:00pm |
Death by firing squad is actually quite humane compared to the chair or needles or hanging.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:29:24pm |
re: #404 SanFranciscoZionist
Thing is, except for Lindsay Davis, I really can’t hardly stand anything that gets written about Rome.
Oh, and I liked the HBO show.
But basically, I don’t LIKE the Roman Empire very much.
You might be Censored, soon.
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theheat Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:29:27pm |
re: #344 Guanxi88
Me? First stop, the wild west, circa late 1870s. Drop me off anywhere near Colorado or Arizona, give me a horse, and I’d be a happy camper. If I avoided hanging, being an atheist and a woman not riding sidesaddle, my next stop would be visit ole Jesus himself.
After a burning question and answer session, I’d suggest he adds “Don’t be a fucking hater asshole” in much, much plainer terms, to his words to live by. I’d tell him in about 2,000 years, this would be especially helpful, because he has no idea how his message would be twisted in the future by hater assholes claiming to act in his name.
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austin_blue Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:30:15pm |
re: #422 Decatur Deb
Can’t find a Niven on the shelf. What title? I’ve got something like “In the Hand of Dante”. Can’t find it either.
Here:
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:30:32pm |
re: #421 windsagio
Its a brave psychopath that touches that last one.
There have been a few good ‘nazis win WW2’ and ‘russians invade america’ ones, tho’.
Zedushka and I have been thinking of an “Elders of Zion” novel for a long time. We were planning to use our “insider” knowledge.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:30:34pm |
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:31:03pm |
re: #429 windsagio
True that.
Did you know that most of the distance a Roman aqueduct ran, it went in a tunnel underground?
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:31:13pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:31:14pm |
re: #425 Cato the Elder
Death by firing squad is actually quite humane compared to the chair or needles or hanging.
The guillotine is supposed to be the most humane method of execution ever devised.
But it’s just messy.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:32:27pm |
re: #434 Ojoe
I didn’t! I knew that tunnels were involved in the Claudian aqueduct, but didn’t know that they were the majority. Makes a ton of sense tho’.
One of the coolest things when I was in Rome as a kid was seeing a hunk of aqueduct built (or repurposed) into the side of a building. Or at least that’s what I thought it was at the time :P
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:32:35pm |
re: #438 MandyManners
Allah is the gangster of the world.
Says a former Muslim and Hamas member, mind you.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:32:39pm |
Gerandlo ends his interview with Alex Jones, “Thank you very much and we’ll continue to stay in touch. ” It’s entirely possible Alex Jones is going to start appearing on Fox more often.,
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:33:35pm |
MSM gearing up for love-fest…We better thicken our skin if Bin Laden is captured/killed on Obamas watch
el-oh-el
Yeah, how fucking STINGING and UNCOMFORTABLE it would be if our generation’s most heinous asshole were captured or killed.
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Bob Dillon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:33:38pm |
Shees! Such a wonderful morning. Went out got the wheels washed, shopping, helped someone figure out a Vista nightmare, only to come home and find that the day just got even better.
Did Mr. Rogers have a song about that?
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Ojoe Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:34:01pm |
re: #439 windsagio
The book Man the Builder by Gosta Sandstrom has an excellent chapter on the aqueducts.
It is a generally fine book in fact.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:34:04pm |
re: #434 Ojoe
True that.
Did you know that most of the distance a Roman aqueduct ran, it went in a tunnel underground?
I’ve stared at some, trying to imagine the forest acreage that went into the millions of bricks.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:34:11pm |
re: #445 Bobibutu
about someone getting sent up the river for treason, and executed? I don’t think so :p
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:34:47pm |
re: #412 austin_blue
True. But there is supposed to be a CD inside the book. If so, then I get all of the Honor Harrington novels and quite a few more.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:35:48pm |
re: #422 Decatur Deb
Can’t find a Niven on the shelf. What title? I’ve got something like “In the Hand of Dante”. Can’t find it either.
Inferno.
Premise is a sleazy SF writer offs himself accidentally & wakes up in hell. He learns that everyone can eventually make it to heaven via Dante’s route in The Comedy and is guided there by a jolly good fellow who turns out to be non-other that fun loving guy Benito Mussolini. Ok writing marred by N&P’s usual love of authoritarian governments.
William
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:35:54pm |
Any good mystery novels set during the time of the Roman Empire?
I highly recommend C.J. Samson’s series set during the time of Henry VIII.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:36:42pm |
re: #436 Alouette
Write to Sophie Scholl and get her opinion on the matter.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:36:51pm |
re: #450 PhillyPretzel
True. But there is supposed to be a CD inside the book. If so, then I get all of the Honor Harrington novels and quite a few more.
The best Italian food I have ever eaten was in South side of Philly..
Flat out
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:36:51pm |
re: #452 wlewisiii
where do you get the authoritarian gov’t thing in that one? Also, put in damn spoiler warnings :P
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Bob Dillon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:36:52pm |
re: #448 windsagio
about someone getting sent up the river for treason, and executed? I don’t think so :p
No, no, no. That he has been taken off-line - yes. The sorrow over a human life being lost … that comes later if it ever comes to that.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:37:49pm |
re: #453 Alouette
I am sorry I do not know of any. There are a couple of the late Robert B. Parker that I am going to read soon.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:38:24pm |
re: #458 Bobibutu
you see the thing he did to counsel parents who would grieve over his own death?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:38:30pm |
re: #453 Alouette
Any good mystery novels set during the time of the Roman Empire?
I highly recommend C.J. Samson’s series set during the time of Henry VIII.
Lindsay Davis writes a series set in Rome around 80 AD, (?) starring ‘private informer’ Marcus Didius Falco. Falco was described by an early reviewer as ‘Sam Spade in a ratty toga’. They’re well-plotted, very funny, and as far as I can tell, well-researched.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:38:34pm |
re: #452 wlewisiii
Inferno.
Premise is a sleazy SF writer offs himself accidentally & wakes up in hell. He learns that everyone can eventually make it to heaven via Dante’s route in The Comedy and is guided there by a jolly good fellow who turns out to be non-other that fun loving guy Benito Mussolini. Ok writing marred by N&P’s usual love of authoritarian governments.
William
Neat. My son insists classic ’50s SciFi is hard right. Probably true of Cordwainer Smith, fer sure. “The Lady Who Sailed the ‘Soul’” is still great.
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:38:47pm |
re: #453 Alouette
Thanks for the suggestion, Alouette. Have you ever read “The Tudor Wench” By Elswyth Thane?
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:39:51pm |
re: #441 Killgore Trout
Gerandlo ends his interview with Alex Jones, “Thank you very much and we’ll continue to stay in touch. ” It’s entirely possible Alex Jones is going to start appearing on Fox more often.,
I’m sending a link to this interview to this far leftie truther I know along with the congratulations on getting Fox to finally ‘see the light’. He hates Fox and wingnuts with a passion and rants against their stupidity and ignorance all the time. It will be interesting to see what the response is. I’m expecting some major mindbending.
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SixDegrees Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:40:13pm |
re: #244 keloyd
So would you rather be the innocent who dies in prison after 40 years or die in 6 months at Huntsville? Of course competent and honest law enforcement is preferable, but I’m saying I’d rather get the nonsense overwith and take the lethal injection, if it was me, and I was innocent. I may be in the minority on that.
There’s a local pol in Dallas who is a big player in the “Innocence Project” that raises funds for DNA testing…whose name escapes me. He was on Colbert’s show once. If you know local Dallas politics, know this. John Wiley Price hates this guy, which is all I need to know to love this guy. So far, he’s only been able to test a few hundred convicts. If you’re innocent and in prison, the odds are you will rot there. I’ll take the quick exit.
Those who have been released, even after years and even decades of false imprisonment, seem to unanimously disagree with you.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:40:18pm |
re: #462 Decatur Deb
It all tends to be totalitarian one way or another, some are more left-dictatorships tho :P
| 467 |
PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:40:23pm |
re: #456 HoosierHoops
Sou’ Philly has a few good restaurants.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:40:29pm |
re: #453 Alouette
Any good mystery novels set during the time of the Roman Empire?
I highly recommend C.J. Samson’s series set during the time of Henry VIII.
Henry VIII was a Roman !?!?
Who knew!!!
//
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:41:08pm |
re: #462 Decatur Deb
Which leads me to want to carry on about how George Lucas hates democracy (really!)
/but I”ve done that one before :p
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:41:37pm |
re: #457 windsagio
where do you get the authoritarian gov’t thing in that one? Also, put in damn spoiler warnings :P
Sorry, I should have put in a warning. As for the other, I didn’t care for they way they whitewashed Benito. This is more a problem of one writer than the other, however.
William
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prairiefire Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:07pm |
re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist
I will pass that along to my mom. She has to have a steady stream of mysteries for her voracious appetite.
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Velvet Elvis Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:09pm |
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:14pm |
re: #455 negativ
Write to Sophie Scholl and get her opinion on the matter.
She was the anti-Nazi activist of “The White Rose”
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:34pm |
re: #438 MandyManners
Allah is the gangster of the world.
Please tell the Arab Christian’s to throw away the Bible in Arabic, use the English Bible instead./ The Arabic word “Allah” means GOD.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:38pm |
re: #469 windsagio
Which leads me to want to carry on about how George Lucas hates democracy (really!)
/but I”ve done that one before :p
No argument here. Feh. The second trilogy was politically disgusting.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:39pm |
re: #469 windsagio
Which leads me to want to carry on about how George Lucas hates democracy (really!)
/but I”ve done that one before :p
When I took the kids to first Star Wars, I told them it was one of the best WWII movies.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:42:41pm |
re: #470 wlewisiii
since we know he’s in there anyways, I took that more as his (Benito’s) own POV rather than editorializing by the authors. Of course he thought that! I thought the characterization of him was one of the strong points.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:43:16pm |
re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist
Lindsay Davis writes a series set in Rome around 80 AD, (?) starring ‘private informer’ Marcus Didius Falco. Falco was described by an early reviewer as ‘Sam Spade in a ratty toga’. They’re well-plotted, very funny, and as far as I can tell, well-researched.
Any characters like “Biggus Dickus” and “Naughtius Maximus”?
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:43:19pm |
re: #464 Jadespring
I’m sending a link to this interview to this far leftie truther I know along with the congratulations on getting Fox to finally ‘see the light’. He hates Fox and wingnuts with a passion and rants against their stupidity and ignorance all the time. It will be interesting to see what the response is. I’m expecting some major mindbending.
hehe. poking the bear is just good clean fun.
| 480 |
windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:43:53pm |
Ok, I’m gonna go play a game for a while, peaces!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:43:58pm |
re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist
Lindsay Davis writes a series set in Rome around 80 AD, (?) starring ‘private informer’ Marcus Didius Falco. Falco was described by an early reviewer as ‘Sam Spade in a ratty toga’. They’re well-plotted, very funny, and as far as I can tell, well-researched.
Also—I won’t tell you which book or in what context—Falco is the only ancient Roman PI ever to be almost hired to find the Ark of the Covenant. (He turns the job down.)
| 482 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:44:14pm |
re: #422 Decatur Deb
If you have even the teeniest bit of interest in sci-fi, you MUST read Larry Niven. Especially “Lucifer’s Hammer”, “The Mote in God’s Eye”, and “N-Space” (a collection of great short stories)
| 483 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:03pm |
re: #481 SanFranciscoZionist
Also—I won’t tell you which book or in what context—Falco is the only ancient Roman PI ever to be almost hired to find the Ark of the Covenant. (He turns the job down.)
I really hope they don’t think that the AotC was in the 2nd Temple.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:11pm |
re: #472 Conservative Moonbat
I dare you to make that into a t-shirt.
God is a gangster, would not go over well even using the Arabic or Jewish name for that matter.
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windsagio Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:17pm |
re: #482 negativ
“Gift from Earth” and “The magic goes away” are his most interesting, and everybody has to read Ringworld >>
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:17pm |
re: #474 avanti
Please tell the Arab Christian’s to throw away the Bible in Arabic, use the English Bible instead./ The Arabic word “Allah” means GOD.
she was quoting Mosab Hassan Yousef.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:17pm |
re: #478 Alouette
Any characters like “Biggus Dickus” and “Naughtius Maximus”?
No, but there is a laundry-running landlady who figures that if you live in her building, all your urine belongs to her.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:45:47pm |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:46:27pm |
re: #471 prairiefire
I will pass that along to my mom. She has to have a steady stream of mysteries for her voracious appetite.
Let me plug Donna Leon’s “Brunetti” mysteries if you haven’t found them. He’s a Venetian vice-commissario of police, loves his wife, kids, Venice and food. Few are ever brought to trial, but justice is always served. I’ll try to put in some Amazon pages, I’m told it helps LGF.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:48:21pm |
re: #455 negativ
Write to Sophie Scholl and get her opinion on the matter.
Die Sonne scheint noch. I have placed white roses in the university gate.
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Jadespring Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:50:08pm |
re: #479 Aceofwhat?
hehe. poking the bear is just good clean fun.
Yes it satisfies my teeny tiny evil side. I can admit it. :D
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:50:50pm |
gadahn appeard in a video with ayman al zawahiri in 2006. gee … I sure hope when the interrogators ask him about the location of the “big guys,” they don’t slap him in the face or anything mean like that …
(need I?)
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:51:01pm |
re: #485 windsagio
“Gift from Earth” and “The magic goes away” are his most interesting, and everybody has to read Ringworld >>
Niven is far more interesting than his writing partner. The only good things Pournelle ever wrote were his columns for BYTE once upon a future past…
William
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:51:18pm |
re: #486 Aceofwhat?
she was quoting Mosab Hassan Yousef.
who, as an Arab Christian, apparently believes it’s worth risking his life to explain that Allah is the key problem.
i guess some Arab Christians really do believe there’s a measurable distinction between the Allah of Hamas et al and the God of the Bible.
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avanti Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:51:51pm |
re: #486 Aceofwhat?
she was quoting Mosab Hassan Yousef.
Then he should have used Mohammad if he wanted to attack Islam, not one of Gods names. Just as a Christian would not should slam the various Old Testament Names for God.
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zora Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:52:35pm |
the hamas spokesperson, on cnn, just said he will not be on air with any israeli. so fuck him. i hope they don’t ask him another question.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:52:40pm |
re: #495 avanti
Then he should have used Mohammad if he wanted to attack Islam, not one of Gods names. Just as a Christian would not should slam the various Old Testament Names for God.
we don’t get to say that to ex-members of Hamas with any real conviction.
walk a mile in his shoes.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:53:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:56:30pm |
re: #494 Aceofwhat?
who, as an Arab Christian, apparently believes it’s worth risking his life to explain that Allah is the key problem.
i guess some Arab Christians really do believe there’s a measurable distinction between the Allah of Hamas et al and the God of the Bible.
An Arab, raised Muslim, who became a Christian. There’s a distinction there. I don’t want to bash this man, but he was raised in a violent subsect of Islam, and has now rejected the faith completely.
I respect his deeds, but I am not about to get into polytheism, or worse, dualism, on his behalf.
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Aceofwhat? Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:59:21pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
An Arab, raised Muslim, who became a Christian. There’s a distinction there. I don’t want to bash this man, but he was raised in a violent subsect of Islam, and has now rejected the faith completely.
I respect his deeds, but I am not about to get into polytheism, or worse, dualism, on his behalf.
i don’t disagree. But neither would i say that he’s bigoted. of course he means “Allah” as understood by the violent subsect of Islam. Asking him to be more precise rings, to me, of hollow piety. We know what he meant.
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 12:59:45pm |
re: #409 Ojoe
with a time machine you could buy a 1913 Mercer
and stash it & retrieve it today when it would be worth $$$.BBL
I can haz Voisin Roadster?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:01:15pm |
re: #490 Decatur Deb
Jetzt muss ich gehen.
When I finally get my time machine working, Sophie is on my top 10 list of people I must rescue from the dumbassery of human history.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:02:13pm |
re: #500 Aceofwhat?
i don’t disagree. But neither would i say that he’s bigoted. of course he means “Allah” as understood by the violent subsect of Islam. Asking him to be more precise rings, to me, of hollow piety. We know what he meant.
Sure. And coming from his background, I get it. I know what he means.
No excuses for me, though, because I also know what I mean. ;)
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ryannon Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:03:18pm |
re: #434 Ojoe
True that.
Did you know that most of the distance a Roman aqueduct ran, it went in a tunnel underground?
Did you know that the Vatican is built on what was formerly Nero’s palace grounds?
| 505 |
Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:03:21pm |
Gotta go. It’s wife’s birthday, and I have been appointed Cappuccino Churl.
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:03:39pm |
I bet Gadahn is thinking he’d like to get sent to Gitmo right about now instead of trying his luck with the Pakistani courts.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:08:53pm |
re: #506 Mich-again
I bet Gadahn is thinking he’d like to get sent to Gitmo right about now instead of trying his luck with the Pakistani courts.
Yeah. I’d take my chances with us instead of the Pakistanis. Of course, if they have had him for a while now…
Tough luck, Azzam al-Amriki…
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webevintage Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:21:14pm |
re: #461 SanFranciscoZionist
Lindsay Davis writes a series set in Rome around 80 AD, (?) starring ‘private informer’ Marcus Didius Falco. Falco was described by an early reviewer as ‘Sam Spade in a ratty toga’. They’re well-plotted, very funny, and as far as I can tell, well-researched.
Thanks SFZ, I am always on the look out for a new mystery series to delve into.
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9Iron Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:23:13pm |
I’m a conservative, been registered for a years but haven’t posted much since the site went left. All that being said, I’m glad we got that shit bird Gadahn, will give Obama the credit that Bush didn’t get when the wars took a good turn, and serious props to the CIA (assuming they were involved) for bringing in a shiny fish. It would piss me off to no end when the left would attempt to sabotage the war in Iraq for political purposes, now if there are those on the right doing that now that a Dem is in office that don’t make it right either. Politics should end at the shoreline, especially when we’re at war. Kudos to everyone involved in bringing him in!
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 7, 2010 1:27:54pm |
re: #500 Aceofwhat?
i don’t disagree. But neither would i say that he’s bigoted. of course he means “Allah” as understood by the violent subsect of Islam. Asking him to be more precise rings, to me, of hollow piety. We know what he meant.
From the transcript:
YOUSEF: Exactly. This is absolutely right. It’s ideological conflict. It’s ideological war. In other wars, it’s a war between two gods, the god of the Koran and the god of Torah or the god of the Bible. So people are victims of this war.
…
YOUSEF: After 10 years of working against terrorism, this is what I realized as a Christian, that our problem with terrorism is not with bunch of terrorists in Afghanistan mountains or in Gaza Strip or any other places. Our problem is with their ideology. Our problem is with their god, the god of the Koran.
I know this is very dangerous, and I know this is — this can offend many people, and I — I want them to understand that my problem is not with them. They are my family. Muslim people are my family. When I think about them, I think about my dad, I think about my mother. My problem is with their god.
Like it or not he makes clear that his intent is to extrapolate from his own experience to paint ALL of Islam. He’s quite fluent in English, if he wanted to broadcast a more nuanced position I’m fairly sure he would have.
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 7, 2010 3:03:35pm |
CNN says not so fast. $8 hour rule, I guess.
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Tigger2005 Sun, Mar 7, 2010 4:34:13pm |
Whoopsie! Did Adam patronize the Karachi Dairy Queen one time too many?
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The Sanity Inspector Sun, Mar 7, 2010 4:34:19pm |
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marsl Sun, Mar 7, 2010 4:52:42pm |
Come to America, Adam. Uncle Sam have a nice rope to put in your neck…
That’s the price of high treason.
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