Anyone for Windows 7?

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I posted about Apple’s Safari 4 browser earlier, but I don’t want to make our PC users feel unloved, so here’s a link to Amazon, where they’re now accepting pre-orders for Microsoft’s shiny new operating system Windows 7.

Windows 7 has been getting good reviews in tech media; Microsoft may have done it right this time. Amazon includes a handy chart to help you figure out which one of three versions is best for you; Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate.

Yep, that’s what they named it, “Ultimate.”

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628 comments
1 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:21:52pm
Anyone for Windows 7?


No.

2 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:22:52pm

I like C:

3 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:23:30pm

re: #1 Killgore Trout

No.

Why? Is there a Paulian or Tea Party angle to Windows 7 that we don't know about?

/

4 freetoken  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:23:45pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I like C:

And what was wrong with A: and B: ?

5 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:23:52pm

Is this intended to replace Vista?

6 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:24:03pm

re: #5 MandyManners

Is this intended to replace Vista?

Yes.

7 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:24:21pm

re: #3 CynicalConservative

Why? Is there a Paulian or Tea Party angle to Windows 7 that we don't know about?

/

*thud*

ROFLMAO!

8 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:24:56pm

re: #6 CynicalConservative

Yes.

Then why fuck around with Vista and not just go to 7?

I'm beginning to smell a con.

9 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:25:12pm

If it's as good as advertised, it would be nice to be able to jump from XP straight to 7.

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:25:42pm

re: #4 freetoken

And what was wrong with A: and B: ?

A: and B: were floppies. We don't talk about them.

11 cronus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:25:52pm

Unless Windows 7 is the code name for the next Mac OS then no...

12 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:26:03pm

If I were to go to 7, what would I need to replace? The motherlode thingy?

13 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:26:46pm

I'm perfectly happy with XP, no reason to change now.

I can't believe that many IT departments are going to do a switch from XP to 7 either. Then again, those bamboozled into doing Vista might just because they're looking to find a better way.

14 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:26:53pm

re: #10 Charles

Floppies iz a NWO myth!

15 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:27:24pm

re: #8 MandyManners

Then why fuck around with Vista and not just go to 7?

I'm beginning to smell a con.

SOP for MS. Pretend that the steaming pile of crap that was released a few years ago really didn't happen and just move on to the next one. They seem to get it "right" (ymmv) every other version.

16 Taqyia2Me  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:28:02pm

If I need more equipment to go to 7, I'll just switch to Apple all the sooner.

17 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:28:03pm

Board. Motherboard.

18 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:28:58pm

re: #16 Taqyia2Me

If I need more equipment to go to 7, I'll just switch to Apple all the sooner.

Gotta' pay for Baby Gates' braces and pony.

19 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:29:00pm

re: #10 Charles

A: and B: were floppies. We don't talk about them.

... and don't mention Atari ram disk schemes either...

20 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:29:24pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Floppies iz a NWO myth!

There were floppies.. and then there were floppies..

8 inchers..
5 1/4...
and the 3.5 floppy....

I remember doing BASIC programming on the 8 inchers... fun times.

21 freetoken  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:29:29pm

re: #10 Charles

You just brought back to memory a horrible set of jokes based around "floppy" and "hard" drives...

Way back when... I was working in a lab that had a system built around a Zilog chip (Z80 variant) and 8" floppy drives. It used a early version of DOS, before the one that came with the original IBM PC. Talk about awkward operations! Comparing Safari 4 vs. what we had to use back then... mind boggling changes.

22 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:29:48pm

Microsoft can't endure another disastrous OS release. I hope they get it right this time.

23 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:30:59pm

re: #20 lawhawk

No tape drives?
I do have very vague memories of using those index card thingies.

24 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:31:30pm

XP: eXtra Pain.
Vista: Vile Interface Sure To Agonize.

25 Racer X  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:31:55pm

re: #10 Charles

A: and B: were floppies. We don't talk about them.

I thought Viva Vista cured the floppies?

26 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:00pm

re: #21 freetoken

You just brought back to memory a horrible set of jokes based around "floppy" and "hard" drives...

Way back when... I was working in a lab that had a system built around a Zilog chip (Z80 variant) and 8" floppy drives. It used a early version of DOS, before the one that came with the original IBM PC. Talk about awkward operations! Comparing Safari 4 vs. what we had to use back then... mind boggling changes.

I used to maintain Rockwell ACD's ... PDP 11/84's with ugly tape drives and ramdisks, you had to talk to it in assembly and hex... ugh

27 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:13pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Microsoft can't endure another disastrous OS release. I hope they get it right this time.

Agree. From my experience, it's a good effort so far, hopefully the pattern holds.
95 = crap
98 = OK
ME = turbo crap
xp = OK
vista = uber crap
Win 7 = Ok

28 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:13pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

If only that were true. 95 wasn't exactly smooth sailing. 98 was an improvement... 2000 was a mess. XP was much better, and then Vista was a abject disaster.

I recall that many folks stuck with NT rather than go with 95/98 because it was more stable than either one. MSFT benefitted from market penetration and their OS has become ever more bloated and less functional over time.

29 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:32:42pm

Vista install in 2 minutes

Youtube Video
30 dmandman  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:33:07pm

The only thing cute and nice about Vista or Longhorn were the Mascots or Tan's that the Japanese invented for them.

31 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:33:12pm

BTW: I'm going to upgrade to 7 from vista-64, I just don't know when my pain and time quotient will be open enough for it yet.

32 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:33:38pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I actually had a TRS-80, and we used cassette tapes to save data and load programs into the 16kb memory.

That's right boys and girls... they used to have computers where you had to have a program limited to 16k - and still function...

Amazing progress since then...

33 Gella  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:33:53pm

re: #27 CynicalConservative

Agree. From my experience, it's a good effort so far, hopefully the pattern holds.
95 = crap
98 = OK
ME = turbo crap
xp = OK
vista = uber crap
Win 7 = Ok

what about 2000 pro?

34 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:35:02pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

10,000 updings!

35 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:35:24pm

re: #31 Thanos

BTW: I'm going to upgrade to 7 from vista-64, I just don't know when my pain and time quotient will be open enough for it yet.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, most installs and upgrades I've done so far have been smooth. Only ones I struggled with was trying to shoehorn it onto a 7 year old machine.

36 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:36:18pm

re: #33 Gella

what about 2000 pro?

Slightly better than ME as it's part of the same timeframe, but 2k was mostly targeted at business. I preferred 2K vs. Me, but was no picnic by any stretch of the imagination.

37 Gella  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:38:06pm

re: #36 CynicalConservative

Slightly better than ME as it's part of the same timeframe, but 2k was mostly targeted at business. I preferred 2K vs. Me, but was no picnic by any stretch of the imagination.

i prefer 2K over XP, now i have vista unfortunately

38 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:38:39pm

I have never changed any of my PCs' operating systems from whatever came with the machine when I bought it.
Isn't that the way it works for most people?

39 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:38:53pm

re: #35 CynicalConservative

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, most installs and upgrades I've done so far have been smooth. Only ones I struggled with was trying to shoehorn it onto a 7 year old machine.

What's the usual window of time? Does it clean up the registry crap layered in by vista, and will it take two eternities to port over the almost 150 gig of photos I have?

40 dmandman  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:40:05pm

If anyone is interested a link to check out the OS Mascots in Anime form:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

41 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:40:51pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Vista install in 2 minutes

Youtube Video

This might surprise you but, I don't know Jack-crap about OS thingies. However, ROFLMAO!

42 zombie  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:41:38pm
Amazon includes a handy chart to help you figure out which one of three versions is best for you; Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate.

Yep, that’s what they named it, “Ultimate.”

There's a reason they call it "Ultimate" -- because the best use for the install disks is to play Frisbee with them.

43 freetoken  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:03pm

re: #38 Spare O'Lake

If you turn over computers every couple of years I suppose many people wouldn't make the OS upgrades independently.

Since I've returned to the Mac (since 2003) I've never felt compelled to buy the next version of OSX, but the automatic upgrades within a version are pretty much regarded as necessary, for security reasons if nothing else.

44 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:23pm

re: #39 Thanos

What's the usual window of time? Does it clean up the registry crap layered in by vista, and will it take two eternities to port over the almost 150 gig of photos I have?

My experience has been 20-30 minutes depending on hardware; don't know how much crap of Vista's that it clean's up, I did an in-place 32 bit upgrade that was flawless then decided to do a fresh 64 bit install so didn't study the registry. Didn't have issues with media on the upgrade and haven't moved stuff back since the re-install.

45 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:56pm

re: #32 lawhawk

I actually had a TRS-80, and we used cassette tapes to save data and load programs into the 16kb memory.

That's right boys and girls... they used to have computers where you had to have a program limited to 16k - and still function...

Amazing progress since then...

I also started with 16K and cassette tapes, but it was a TI computer (endorsed by Bill Cosby!)

46 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:42:57pm

I'm planning to get it. It's supposed to light enough to run well on a netbook. I have even heard accounts of users "reviving" older machines that couldn't run Vista. I wonder if there's any chance of Microsoft offering a 3 machine license for home users (kinda like the antivirus folks do).

47 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:43:29pm

I wouldn't upgrade an existing computer to Windows 7 but if I bought a new computer or laptop I would probably go with it. We had so many problems upgrading this computer to Vista. It didn't like some of the hardware and it really didn't like older versions of MS software. Backwards compatibility issues. But if the computer and all the software were current, I bet it would run like a scalded dog.

48 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:43:37pm

A Big Windows hit, a blast from the past.

Microsoft Bob

49 ssn697  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:43:45pm

I passed on Vista but will be going to Windows 7.

I started on Windows 286. I should get some sort of discount by now ;-)

50 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:43:47pm

re: #42 zombie

There's a reason they call it "Ultimate" -- because the best use for the install disks is to play Frisbee with them.

Dang! So that's why Wham-O is so pissed off....

/snicker

51 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:44:25pm

It's just been released yet there already is an upgrade? Why not just sell the upgrade version?

52 lawhawk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:45:35pm

Most interesting OS that never got much of a following for PC -

OS/2.

It even had a windows emulator, was rock solid, but it was way too complicated for most people to use - since you could customize everything.

53 Racer X  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:45:45pm

re: #51 MandyManners

It's just been released yet there already is an upgrade? Why not just sell the upgrade version?

Where's the profit in that?

54 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:15pm

re: #47 Mich-again

I wouldn't upgrade an existing computer to Windows 7...

Since all of our machines here are XP machines, I doubt very much if they'd upgrade to 7 even if we wanted to.

We could have gotten Vista to run on one or two of them if we'd so desired, but we did not.

I'll wait until I see 7 running on other people's computers before I get it in any case. I'm pretty sure I can still buy an XP machine if this one has a sudden catastophic failure.

55 zombie  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:40pm

re: #51 MandyManners

Because they can screw with your life more frequently this way. That's what Microsoft likes to do -- get as much info about your personal life as often as possible. By the time I finish previewing this comment, there will probably be another upgrade.

56 albusteve  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:46:59pm

re: #50 Macker

Dang! So that's why Wham-O is so pissed off....

/snicker

$13 for a Frisbee?....wow

57 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:25pm

re: #53 Racer X

Where's the profit in that?

I just don't understand why they would even offer the first one.

58 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:43pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Most interesting OS that never got much of a following for PC -

OS/2.

It even had a windows emulator, was rock solid, but it was way too complicated for most people to use - since you could customize everything.

Yep, IBM... we used it for some of our specialized agent pc's. It was a real pain to maintain after a user got their fingers into it too deep...

59 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:48:53pm
Yep, that’s what they named it, “Ultimate.”

Vista also has an Ultimate. Of course, no one buys it because it's THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS. C'mon, it's an OS.

60 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:49:08pm

re: #55 zombie

Because they can screw with your life more frequently this way. That's what Microsoft likes to do -- get as much info about your personal life as often as possible. By the time I finish previewing this comment, there will probably be another upgrade.

How can they get information about my personal life?

61 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:16pm

re: #49 ssn697

I passed on Vista but will be going to Windows 7.

I started on Windows 286. I should get some sort of discount by now ;-)

Special loyal customer pricing.
How much are you willing to spend?

//

62 daledog  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:25pm

Tested Windows 7 at work. It seems to work well. We use Vista at work, and there has not been one problem. I never 'got' what all the negative hype was all about. Then again, I'm not reflexively anti-Microsoft. I kind of like the company. Direct Access is a new Microsoft technology that allow one to get access to the work network without a VPN. Windows 2008 server R2 and Windows 7 are needed to implement this. Once 7 comes out. I'll set up a test for this. This would be huge for our workplace.

63 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:50:44pm

re: #59 Gearhead

Vista also has an Ultimate. Of course, no one buys it because it's THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS. C'mon, it's an OS.

I don't know anyone who buys operating systems, period.

64 zombie  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:51:10pm

re: #60 MandyManners

How can they get information about my personal life?

Shopping habits, Web usage, all sorts of stuff. I just don't trust 'em.

65 Eyes Wide Open  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:51:26pm

I have pre-Windows 7 installed on my laptop and the best thing I can say it works. For MS that IS a big thing! Also, went out and got one of the coupons for when it comes out this fall. I feel better spending $39.99 for a MS product upgrade than $129.99.

66 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:51:50pm

For some reason, I feel compelled to post this.

Youtube Video
67 experiencedtraveller  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:51:52pm

I'm very happy with VISTA. I see no reason to upgrade...ever.

/gag

68 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:52:35pm

re: #66 MandyManners

For some reason, I feel compelled to post this.

[Video]

Is that due to the phrase "Teenage Wasteland"?

69 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:52:44pm

As I mentioned earlier, I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate on my Dell Mini 9 netbook. I like it, the interface is much simpler than Vista or XP. I haven't had any issues with it (unlike XP and Ubuntu).

70 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:52:59pm

Is Sharmuta around tonight?

71 RadicalRon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:54:26pm

Mandy, et al: I found this little tidbit tidbit regarding the Evil Empire's new cash cow:

Windows XP users need to know that regardless of which edition they currently have installed (Windows XP Home, Windows XP Professional, or Windows XP Media Center Edition) and regardless of which edition of Windows 7 they are moving to (Home Premium, Professional , or Ultimate), they will need to perform a clean install, whether they buy the upgrade or full version ( emphasis moi) . The hassle of backing up applications and user data will fall on the user; a clean install will not back up anything. Using Windows Easy Transfer, users can copy their important files and settings to an external USB stick, external hard drive, or DVD, and then move the data back after the installation.

The installer will verify that XP is genuine and Windows 7 will have to be installed on the same partition as the XP installation. The good news is that Microsoft is allowing XP users to buy the cheaper upgrade version if they want to (Microsoft typically lets owners of the two previous releases of Windows to do this, in this case XP and Vista).

Windows Vista users can follow multiple upgrade paths to Windows 7. As was the case when upgrading from XP to Vista, you will only need to perform a clean install if you are going to a version that is lower on the food chain. For example, if you are going from Windows Vista Ultimate to Windows 7 Home Premium, you would do a clean install. If you are going from Windows Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Ultimate, you do not need to do a clean install. When you switch to a higher version, you're adding on the existing functionality, but when you're going to a lesser version, you're taking away functionality, thus the need for a clean install.

Clean installs will also have to be performed when upgrading from a 32-bit version to a 64-bit version, regardless of edition. Unless the user chooses to repartition or format the current partition, Vista's files from C:WINDOWS will be preserved under C:WINDOWS.OLD, just as when upgrading from Windows XP to Windows Vista.


/retreats to secret command post before shit hits ye olde fan

73 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:32pm

re: #52 lawhawk

Most interesting OS that never got much of a following for PC -

OS/2.

It even had a windows emulator, was rock solid, but it was way too complicated for most people to use - since you could customize everything.

I have not-so-fond memories of OS/2. I was hired to train a system based on OS/2 (WARP, actually), running MS Office in the Windows emulator. And the company didn't want to upgrade its DOS-based proprietary software either, so there were a lot of compatibility issues. The whole thing was a big, temperamental turd.

74 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:55:39pm

re: #64 zombie

Shopping habits, Web usage, all sorts of stuff. I just don't trust 'em.

Oh. I thought you meant that they had direct access to my computer--that they could read my Word and WP documents. As far as buying stuff over the Internet, I've come to accept that that is as secure as the the smarts of those who wish to see my stuff.

I don't pay bills on-line. I don't bank on-line. I *sometimes* buy stuff on-line but, I do so with a credit card that cannot be fucked with.

75 pbird  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:56:49pm

Is there any reason an Ubuntu user should go to Windows 7? BTW I didn't mind Vista. I never had any trouble with it. I just accidentally installed Linux over it. Heh.

76 Mithrax  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:57:19pm

I think I'm gonna be VERY cutting edge retro, I'm gonna go back to pen and paper.

77 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:57:32pm

re: #62 daledog

Tested Windows 7 at work. It seems to work well. We use Vista at work, and there has not been one problem. I never 'got' what all the negative hype was all about. Then again, I'm not reflexively anti-Microsoft. I kind of like the company. Direct Access is a new Microsoft technology that allow one to get access to the work network without a VPN. Windows 2008 server R2 and Windows 7 are needed to implement this. Once 7 comes out. I'll set up a test for this. This would be huge for our workplace.

I've had Vista on my laptop for over two years...no problems.

78 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:59:05pm

re: #63 JamesTKirk

I don't know anyone who buys operating systems, period.

Linux user?

I confess that I have Windows XP upgrade from 95/98. We needed better security at work and Win 98 was like an unzipped fly.

79 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 6:59:28pm

re: #68 Macker

Is that due to the phrase "Teenage Wasteland"?

Nope. The notion related to Bill Gates. Does he need to be forgiven by us mortals?

80 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:00:36pm

re: #71 RadicalRon

I r geek.
I keep my OS, applications and files on separate partitions.
I merely install a new OS on an available partition. If things go kaflooey, reboot to the old OS......

81 Eyes Wide Open  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:33pm

re #75 Pbird,
If you're happy with Ubuntu and it does everything you need then there's no compelling reason to use Windows 7. I've been playing with Ubuntu and I find it faster than blazes.

82 pbird  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:45pm

re: #80 jcm

I r geek.
I keep my OS, applications and files on separate partitions.
I merely install a new OS on an available partition. If things go kaflooey, reboot to the old OS......

I r doofus. I wish I knew how to do that.

83 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:01:56pm

Keep your fingers crossed, I'm bulk processing 3000+ photos from my Alaska trip in the background. Last time I tried this in p-shop it blowed up real good.

84 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:02:25pm

re: #78 Gearhead

re: #63 JamesTKirk
I don't know anyone who buys operating systems, period.
Linux user?

Nope. But all of our computers here (desktops and one laptop) are running the OS (XP) that came with them. We haven't felt the need nor the desire to upgrade to Vista; but we know some people with bootleg Windows install CDs.

I confess that I have Windows XP upgrade from 95/98. We needed better security at work and Win 98 was like an unzipped fly.

But did you pay for it?

85 pbird  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:02:34pm

re: #81 Eyes Wide Open

re #75 Pbird,
If you're happy with Ubuntu and it does everything you need then there's no compelling reason to use Windows 7. I've been playing with Ubuntu and I find it faster than blazes.

It certainly is fast. Thats for sure. I just kind of miss Microsoft Money. Not a big deal.

86 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:05:16pm

re: #84 JamesTKirk

But did you pay for it?

Bought it off the shelf for my home desktop. I also built 3 machines for the office and had to buy it for them.

87 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:05:55pm

re: #3 CynicalConservative

Why? Is there a Paulian or Tea Party angle to Windows 7 that we don't know about?

/


Well, there was a Tea Party very near Microsoft's Millenium building in Redmond on April 15th. I drove by that one. Lots of people there.

88 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:06:29pm

Just got new 64 bit quad core processor box with 12G ram and windows ultimate. We're getting acquainted now. This post is made on that processor using the Firefox browser. Everything seems to work as advertised. Not sure what improvements might be in the new OS.

89 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:06:41pm

Mac sued when Microsoft stole Windows from them. Now they'd sue if Microsoft tried to give it back.

90 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:07:16pm

re: #88 UncleRancher

Just got new 64 bit quad core processor box with 12G ram and windows ultimate. We're getting acquainted now. This post is made on that processor using the Firefox browser. Everything seems to work as advertised. Not sure what improvements might be in the new OS.

Oops. That's Vista Ultimate.

91 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:07:49pm

I'm always impressed by the amount of computer expertise here. Scary, how far behind I've gotten after being a "first adopter" in the Stone Age.

A quick question, for any and all: I am more happy with XP than I have been with any Windows OS, ever. Maybe luck, but still. How long can I theoretically use XP before it becomes a drawback? My needs are very low-tech...word processing, Web, family photos, audio editing in Audition, and that's about it. No 3-D graphics or games.

Thanks for any advice! (PS: My 80-year-old mom's replacement computer came with Vista, and it's almost impenetrable to me. Like a foreign language. Whenever my XP-ability dies, I would love to leap to 7 or whatever without spending another minute of my life on Vista. Is that workable?)

92 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:26pm

re: #88 UncleRancher

...12G ram...

**geek drool**

Next machine...

93 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:09:44pm

re: #91 ShanghaiEd

I'm always impressed by the amount of computer expertise here. Scary, how far behind I've gotten after being a "first adopter" in the Stone Age.

A quick question, for any and all: I am more happy with XP than I have been with any Windows OS, ever. Maybe luck, but still. How long can I theoretically use XP before it becomes a drawback? My needs are very low-tech...word processing, Web, family photos, audio editing in Audition, and that's about it. No 3-D graphics or games.

Thanks for any advice! (PS: My 80-year-old mom's replacement computer came with Vista, and it's almost impenetrable to me. Like a foreign language. Whenever my XP-ability dies, I would love to leap to 7 or whatever without spending another minute of my life on Vista. Is that workable?)

When you go to a 64 bit processor your XP will be a thing of the past. My experience -- don't be afraid of Vista ultimate. Don't know about the other versions.

94 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:10:08pm

re: #92 Gearhead

**geek drool**

Next machine...

;-)))

95 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:10:54pm

re: #91 ShanghaiEd

Someone posted upthread about that, same drill as Vista - you have to do a fresh install, and then reimport everything when you upgrade.

hrmmm Fireflys are out here, going out on the patio to pour one and watch a while.

96 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:11:54pm

re: #95 Thanos

Someone posted upthread about that, same drill as Vista - you have to do a fresh install, and then reimport everything when you upgrade.

hrmmm Fireflys are out here, going out on the patio to pour one and watch a while.

Fireflies are cool. Never saw one until I got married to a midwest girl.

97 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:12:05pm

re: #76 Mithrax

I think I'm gonna be VERY cutting edge retro, I'm gonna go back to pen and paper.

Digital wireless!

98 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:12:06pm

re: #82 pbird

I r doofus. I wish I knew how to do that.

search for windows multi-boot.

u can 2!

99 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:12:44pm

re: #96 UncleRancher

Fireflies are cool. Never saw one until I got married to a midwest girl.

What an odd wedding gift!

100 UncleRancher  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:13:52pm

re: #99 Kenneth

What an odd wedding gift!

She had a hell of a time wrapping them.

101 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:14:16pm

re: #76 Mithrax

I think I'm gonna be VERY cutting edge retro, I'm gonna go back to pen and paper.

Dip quill on papyrus.

102 Gearhead  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:15:02pm

re: #91 ShanghaiEd

I'm always impressed by the amount of computer expertise here. Scary, how far behind I've gotten after being a "first adopter" in the Stone Age.

A quick question, for any and all: I am more happy with XP than I have been with any Windows OS, ever. Maybe luck, but still. How long can I theoretically use XP before it becomes a drawback? My needs are very low-tech...word processing, Web, family photos, audio editing in Audition, and that's about it. No 3-D graphics or games.

Thanks for any advice! (PS: My 80-year-old mom's replacement computer came with Vista, and it's almost impenetrable to me. Like a foreign language. Whenever my XP-ability dies, I would love to leap to 7 or whatever without spending another minute of my life on Vista. Is that workable?)

I have an XP machine on my desk at work that we put into service in 2003 or 2004. It still runs great. You might run out of hard drive first. As for the Win 7 upgrade, I have not used Win 7 yet, but it's going to be a lot more like Vista than XP, but more secure and efficient (again, second-hand knowledge, here).

103 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:15:32pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Is Sharmuta around tonight?

What?

104 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:17:31pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Is Sharmuta around tonight?

What?

I believe the word you're looking for is "yes".

105 Attaboid  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:17:48pm

Does Citrix still use OS/2?

106 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:18:07pm

re: #104 JamesTKirk

I believe the word you're looking for is "yes".

What?

107 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:18:59pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

What?

What?

108 Stuart Leviton  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:20:25pm

Shouldn't it be "you rang" from lurch?

109 Ateam  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:21:26pm

re: #74 MandyManners

Well, 2M , I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. Not being a big prayer myself to nor G-d around, can only ask some guys on the beach - devoting to that Cabala stuff - to light a candle and say those magic sentences for reliving pain & helping go away.

Be Happy after this event. Life is more then pain.

110 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:22:15pm

re: #108 Stuart Leviton

Shouldn't it be "you rang" from lurch?

I'm not John Kerry

111 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:22:37pm

CNN bugs me! The current headline on the Iran election:

Thousands demonstrate quietly in Iran

Fine. But the picture is from several days ago and it is of a small group of pro-regime protesters in front of the UK embassy, holding crude UK & Israeli flags. They are "protesting" the evil British-Zionist plotters...

What the fuck does this picture have to do with the millions of brave Iranians who have been protesting the regime's attempt to steal the elections for Ahmadinejad?

112 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:26:35pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

I'm not John Kerry

Me neither.

113 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:29:19pm

re: #112 legalpad

Me neither.

Don't let it make you long in the face.

114 Eyes Wide Open  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:29:20pm

re #91: ShanghaiEd
As long as the machine runs...
I had an old Gateway running Win98 and upgraded the OS to Win2K.
Sweet machine until the hard drive fragged.
Windows 7 is unfortunately similar to Windows Vista.
I find it tends to be faster on launch and as I mentioned earlier it isn't prone to BSD.
In essence, you could call Windows 7 Windows Vista SP3.

115 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:29:21pm

re: #110 Sharmuta

I'm not John Kerry

I'm not John Kerry and neither is my wife!

116 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:29:21pm

I'm going to join the somnambulists. Just without all that damn walking.

117 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:30:59pm

re: #113 Thanos

Don't let it make you long in the face.

I'm real happy about not being John Kerry. John Kerry would be happier if he wasn't John Kerry.

118 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:31:46pm

I picked up Gran Torino from Sam's today, but I'm saving it for a depressing day.

119 itellu3times  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:10pm

Michael Jackson passing ... watching an old rerun of MASH ... was life really so much simpler and happier, when all we had to worry about was mutually assured destruction?

120 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:14pm

re: #102 Gearhead

re: #95 Thanos

re: #93 UncleRancher

Thanks, guys! It appears I might can squeeze another couple of years from my XP, at least.

121 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:36pm

re: #115 JamesTKirk

Where have you been lately? We never see you anymore.

122 Shr_Nfr  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:32:39pm

M$ is one of the few firms that have earned my "I will never invest in you and be a partner in your firm" award for their morals. Citibank is another, there are more. I am forced to run M$ product in some incarnations because some applications such as Bloomberg in its native mode and Fidelity Active Trader Pro demand it. XP is just fine thank you. I would still be runing Windoze 2000 except for one app that wanted XP. Translation, maybe someday I will be forced into it. But till then, its XP running under Parallels. The balance of the M$ products can take a hike too. There is no need to upgrade in my mind. Actually quite the opposite.

123 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:07pm

re: #117 legalpad

I'm real happy about not being John Kerry. John Kerry would be happier if he wasn't John Kerry.

Being John Kerry.

Probably wouldn't be as much of a hit as the Malkovich film.

124 itellu3times  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:33:47pm

re: #115 JamesTKirk

I'm not John Kerry and neither is my wife!

I like ketchup.

125 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:34:49pm

re: #111 Kenneth

CNN bugs me! The current headline on the Iran election:

Thousands demonstrate quietly in Iran

Fine. But the picture is from several days ago and it is of a small group of pro-regime protesters in front of the UK embassy, holding crude UK & Israeli flags. They are "protesting" the evil British-Zionist plotters...

What the fuck does this picture have to do with the millions of brave Iranians who have been protesting the regime's attempt to steal the elections for Ahmadinejad?

Change for Iran twitterer agrees with you that CNN (and BBC) aren't doing the job they ought to be doing:

why BBC & CNN reporting things like it's all over now? how can it be over after what gov done to us?
126 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:35:00pm

Heh, Huffpo blogger: My Boyfriend's not so well endowed..

man, I'd hate to be that guy...

127 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:35:02pm

re: #119 itellu3times

Michael Jackson passing ... watching an old rerun of MASH ... was life really so much simpler and happier, when all we had to worry about was mutually assured destruction?

A the old days, nuclear winter, so much simpler.

Youtube Video
128 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:35:48pm

re: #124 itellu3times

I like ketchup.

Ketchup is the condiment of the devil!

/evil nasties stuff it is.......

129 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:14pm

re: #114 Eyes Wide Open

Interesting info. Thanks.

Knock on wood, I've never experienced BSD with XP and hope against the odds to maintain that record. Is there a particular scenario that tends to bring it on, or is it pretty much random?

130 horse  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:36:47pm

re: #76 Mithrax

I think I'm gonna be VERY cutting edge retro, I'm gonna go back to pen and paper.

Preparing to avoid cap and trade charges for server access?

131 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:37:13pm

re: #124 itellu3times

I like ketchup.

Which Doris Day movie was that where she bottled her own ketchup in her basement?

132 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:37:25pm

After several years of decrying Faux-tyranny and imperialism CNN can't recognize true tyranny even when it's wearing jackboots and beating people bloody with clubs in the streets of Tehran.

133 Bear  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:11pm

First 'puter was Apple II. RGR abt tape recorder for programs. Then Kapro C/PM, Finally bit bullet with IBM Kapro and into the 486 and higher machines.
I really miss the control though that DOS gave me and wish some of the DOS functions were available in Windows, especially DISK COPY *.*.

134 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:32pm

Killgore....come in Killgore.....

135 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:38:52pm

re: #129 ShanghaiEd

From my experience it's pretty random. Been running it for three years now on a laptop. Think I have seen BSD about twice. Only because I used to push my machines till they broke. Win98 was bad for BSD's. Would have to do a format and reinstall about every 6 months just to keep the thing stable.

136 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:54pm

re: #125 reine.de.tout

I'm guessing if the BBC or other news agencies that have journalists stuck in Iran were to broadcast any images from the protests, the field reporters in Tehran would be accused of violating the Mullahs' censoring.

137 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:39:59pm

at least we are not typing out half-cards and feeding them into a system 3!

138 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:40:19pm

re: #126 Thanos

Heh, Huffpo blogger: My Boyfriend's not so well endowed..

man, I'd hate to be that guy...

Idiots. Stupid and on the internet.

139 Ateam  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:40:48pm

re: #109 Ateam

Well, 2M , I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. Not being a big prayer myself to nor G-d around, can only ask some guys on the beach - devoting to that Cabala stuff - to light a candle and say those magic sentences for reliving pain & helping go away.

Btw, they ask me to ask you about your mother first name. It's what they say. Don't Know for sure, but positive all this mambo jumbo don't heart. So go with it.

140 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:01pm

re: #121 Sharmuta

Where have you been lately? We never see you anymore.

Busy. I still come here and read the stories (and spinoff links); but when every thread already has 500+ comments, it's a little daunting to try to jump in and catch up.

141 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:42pm

re: #123 Silvergirl

Being John Kerry.

Probably wouldn't be as much of a hit as the Malkovich film.

Or the parody, Being Ron Jeremy.

142 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:44pm

re: #137 quiet man

at least we are not typing out half-cards and feeding them into a system 3!

My CSE prof. described being late for his final project, gather the stack of cards to feed into the machine.....

And dropping them.

He was in such a rush he hadn't numbered them.

143 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:49pm

re: #136 Mich-again

yep and either imprisoned or left for dead somewhere

144 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:41:51pm

re: #134 Sharmuta

Is Killgore around tonight?

145 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:09pm

Killgore- you will have to email me.

It was good to see you, Kirk.

146 Sharmuta  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:35pm

re: #144 legalpad

Is Killgore around tonight?

No.

Later

147 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:42:39pm

re: #142 jcm

Been there..My system 3 was on the show room floor in St Louis during the Permian.

148 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:06pm

re: #126 Thanos

Heh, Huffpo blogger: My Boyfriend's not so well endowed..

man, I'd hate to be that guy...

Simple.

Don't date liberal HuffPo writing women.

149 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:21pm

re: #140 JamesTKirk

Busy. I still come here and read the stories (and spinoff links); but when every thread already has 500+ comments, it's a little daunting to try to jump in and catch up.

Bah, just go to warp speed V

150 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:25pm

re: #148 JamesTKirk

Simple.

Don't date liberal HuffPo writing women.

Oh ... and have a big weiner.

151 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:43:54pm

re: #148 JamesTKirk

A girl must have her standards, ya know

152 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:25pm

re: #147 quiet man

Been there..My system 3 was on the show room floor in St Louis during the Permian.

Actually much of the surface rock south of St. Louis is from the Permian age iirc

153 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:36pm

Why can't we park a satellite over Iran and focus in on the protests and maybe even broadcast a live feed. The resolution wouldn't be very good, but giving Khameni more to cry about would be worth it.

154 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:44:54pm

re: #145 Sharmuta

Killgore- you will have to email me.

It was good to see you, Kirk.

Yep. See you again in four months or so.

155 clgood  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:11pm

That's hilarious. If you pop for "Ultimate" you get three features which are a normal part of OSX.

Tom Clancy was right:

"Never ask a man what sort of computer he drives. If it's a Mac, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?"

156 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:45:42pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

What?

Here are two excellent mp3 files, both are perfectly suited for alerts...courtesy of the late John Colicos:

Kor
Baltar

157 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:07pm

re: #152 Thanos


true, north of there is glaciated..I am crazy for central Kansas now,,by monument rocks..the KS inland ocean during the permian.

158 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:46:50pm

re: #153 Mich-again


I say focus in an obiting Laser..a big one.

159 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:47:31pm

re: #152 Thanos

Actually much of the surface rock south of St. Louis is from the Permian age iirc

Want me to go back there and check?

re: #157 quiet man

true, north of there is glaciated..I am crazy for central Kansas now,,by monument rocks..the KS inland ocean during the permian.

Did they have whales in the inland sea? I should probably get backups.

160 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:00pm

re: #158 quiet man

I say focus in an obiting Laser..a big one.

Not on the protesters, surely.

161 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:05pm

re: #131 Silvergirl

Which Doris Day movie was that where she bottled her own ketchup in her basement?

Help me out here. James Garner also drove his car into the pool in the same movie. I may have to do a search for Doris Day ketchup James Garner pool.

162 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:48:43pm

re: #159 JamesTKirk

yes, just chronoton us all back there for a weekend..BBQ, Beer, and dinosaurs...

163 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:23pm

re: #161 Silvergirl

That worked. The Thrill of It All

164 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:39pm

re: #160 JamesTKirk

Only those standing within a wavelength of light to the supreme leader

165 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:49:43pm

So long.

I'll be back yesterday.

166 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:50:05pm

re: #164 quiet man

Only those standing within a wavelength of light to the supreme leader

No request that I not call you Shirley?

167 sngnsgt  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:14pm

re: #150 JamesTKirk

Oh ... and have a big weiner.

Or just be one...

168 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:14pm

re: #166 JamesTKirk

That comes later...but yes, that part of my life is over for good.

169 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:28pm

OT but Pat Condell has a piece on Burkha's

170 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:51:31pm

re: #153 Mich-again

Why can't we park a satellite over Iran and focus in on the protests and maybe even broadcast a live feed. The resolution wouldn't be very good, but giving Khameni more to cry about would be worth it.

To "park" a satellite, it would have to be out one earth circumference, (24,000 miles)too far that type of surveillance.

171 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:13pm

re: #163 legalpad

That worked. The Thrill of It All

Yes, that's it! Thank you. I'm putting that on Netflix to see how it fares after all the years. I love James Garner. Doris Day too.

172 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:52:41pm

re: #126 Thanos

Heh, Huffpo blogger: My Boyfriend's not so well endowed..

man, I'd hate to be that guy...

Must be all that tofu those lefty moonbat fellers eat. Shrinks the goolies.

173 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:53:41pm

re: #172 Kenneth


He probably wrote "My girlfriend has a big mouth" on Kos

174 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:04pm

re: #126 Thanos

Heh, Huffpo blogger: My Boyfriend's not so well endowed..

man, I'd hate to be that guy...

Her next post:

Now that I'm not dating anyone...

175 JamesTKirk  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:54:17pm

re: #169 A Kiwi Infidel

OT but Pat Condell has a piece on Burkha's

Image: cylonburqa.gif

176 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:55:40pm

re: #109 Ateam

Well, 2M , I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. Not being a big prayer myself to nor G-d around, can only ask some guys on the beach - devoting to that Cabala stuff - to light a candle and say those magic sentences for reliving pain & helping go away.

Be Happy after this event. Life is more then pain.

Thank you, I think.

177 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:04pm

re: #172 Kenneth

Must be all that tofu those lefty moonbat fellers eat. Shrinks the goolies.

Interestingly, there is some truth to that. Tofu is soy based which has isoflavones in it, which is like estrogen. Tends to counter testosterone related things.

178 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:56:59pm

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

179 amphibian  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:57:46pm

Did they put a Windows front end on a Linux distro or something? If not, I'd hold off on installing...

180 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:58:53pm

re: #178 jorline

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

[Flings mud at State Farm.]

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:41pm

re: #169 A Kiwi Infidel

OT but Pat Condell has a piece on Burkha's

When Iran has come up on the thread, Pat Condell may help supply some much needed perspective.

182 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:49pm

re: #178 jorline

They wont be the only ones. The MJ Tsunami has broke and no beach is safe

183 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 7:59:52pm

re: #178 jorline

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

Oh no, more to come. The deification continues. Wait. Make that defecation.

184 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:08pm

I am downloading Windows 7 right now. I found a 160 gb HD in a drawer so I thought I would test it. The beta version works until next year. I want to see if I like it before I pre-order it.

185 quiet man  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:13pm

night all...

186 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:18pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

[Flings mud at State Farm.]


Depends. Does this drop a few quarters in his kid's piggy banks?

187 Bear  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:49pm

re: #171 Silvergirl
To me James Garner will always be Maverik. By the way I believe the first Maverik to air was War of the Silver Kings.

188 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:56pm

re: #186 EmmmieG

Depends. Does this drop a few quarters in his kid's piggy banks?

Are his kids really going to be lacking anything material?

189 3 wood  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:00:56pm

Good evening.

Geez, I go out of town for a week on vacation and a big star like Billie Mays dies. That and a a couple other people I heard of once or twice.

I see the market had a tough week overall.

This week expect to see that unemployment is still increasing, the dollar wil keep dropping in value (thus oil will rise). 10 year treasuries are at 3.54% down a bit from a week or 2 ago but still up about 30% from April.

Had enough of the hope and change yet?

190 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:01:30pm

re: #186 EmmmieG

Depends. Does this drop a few quarters in his kid's piggy banks?

Yes, it likely will. Point taken, but its still tacky.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:02:03pm

re: #66 MandyManners

I love The Who...saw them twice. There is a biography on John Entwistle on OVTV starting right now.

192 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:02:41pm

re: #178 jorline

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

I could be wrong but, I seem to recall this commercial started earlier.

193 legalpad  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:03:24pm

re: #178 jorline

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

State Farm weasels tried to sue my corporation one time for unearned premium. They lost.

194 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:00pm

re: #189 3 wood
Good to see ya back, missed your posts!


Had enough of the hope and change yet?

yes, since sometime on the evening of November 4, 2008.

195 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:20pm

re: #178 jorline

State Farm just ran a commercial...music was "I'll be there" by Jackson 5.

Cashing in quickly.

Most commercials are filmed and produced at least months in advance of air dates. So don't take it as trying to cash in.

/well, maybe some one should have thought about it and pulled it ASAP.

196 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:04:58pm

re: #188 Silvergirl

Are his kids really going to be lacking anything material?


His finances were beyond a mess, and all the way to federal disaster zone.

197 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:05:22pm

re: #195 BlueCanuck

Most commercials are filmed and produced at least months in advance of air dates. So don't take it as trying to cash in.

/well, maybe some one should have thought about it and pulled it ASAP.

I like your final comment without the sarc.

198 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:20pm

re: #196 EmmmieG

His finances were beyond a mess, and all the way to federal disaster zone.

With all the rich celebrities around, with his adoring mass of fans, those kids will want for nothing. They don't need no stinkin' State Farm ad.

199 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:06:44pm

re: #198 Silvergirl

With all the rich celebrities around, with his adoring mass of fans, those kids will want for nothing. They don't need no stinkin' State Farm ad.

You're right. They need a sane, stable home.

200 Pythagoras  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:02pm

Do people STILL upgrade perfectly good working computers to a new Microsoft operating system? Gee, after all the pain and lost productivity past releases have caused, you'd think there wouldn't be anyone left who'd be willing to take the risk. The potential upside is dwarfed by the potential downside and the batting average ain't encouraging. I know plenty of people who just gave up an bought a new computer after a bad OS upgrade.

Sales projections may prove optimistic.

201 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:02pm

re: #199 EmmmieG

You're right. They need a sane, stable home.

Yes!

202 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:16pm

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

I love The Who...saw them twice. There is a biography on John Entwistle on OVTV starting right now.

The first modern rock and roll song I ever heard was picked up on my nanny's radio one night when my parents were out doing the social thing. It was an AM station, at night, from Chicago.

Youtube Video
203 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:07:37pm

re: #189 3 wood

Good evening.

Geez, I go out of town for a week on vacation and a big star like Billie Mays dies. That and a a couple other people I heard of once or twice.

I see the market had a tough week overall.

This week expect to see that unemployment is still increasing, the dollar wil keep dropping in value (thus oil will rise). 10 year treasuries are at 3.54% down a bit from a week or 2 ago but still up about 30% from April.

Had enough of the hope and change yet?

Uncle

204 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:09:11pm

re: #192 MandyManners

I could be wrong but, I seem to recall this commercial started earlier.

Thanks Mandy...may have, never noticed it.

205 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:10:19pm

re: #202 MandyManners

The first modern rock and roll song I ever heard was picked up on my nanny's radio one night when my parents were out doing the social thing. It was an AM station, at night, from Chicago.


Always a good music choice! Glad Chi-town could help you out that time, Mandy.

206 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:10:20pm

Software plan.
vs.
Software execution.

Youtube Video
207 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:10:53pm

re: #204 jorline

Thanks Mandy...may have, never noticed it.

As I said, I could be wrong. I often am.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:11:44pm

re: #202 MandyManners

The first modern rock and roll song I ever heard was picked up on my nanny's radio one night when my parents were out doing the social thing. It was an AM station, at night, from Chicago.

I bought that album because I liked the cover. After I listened to it, it became one of my favorite albums. I still have the album.

209 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:11:59pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Always a good music choice! Glad Chi-town could help you out that time, Mandy.

Chicago AM radio ROCKED.

210 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:12:58pm

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't even understand what an "album" was.

211 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:13:27pm

re: #207 MandyManners

As I said, I could be wrong. I often am.

Not often. ;)

212 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:13:58pm

Well I am out, I have some reading to catch up on before work tomorrow, so g'nite all

Youtube Video
213 CapitalistTool  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:15:39pm

re: #8 MandyManners

Then why fuck around with Vista and not just go to 7?

I'm beginning to smell a con.

Vista is now, like Leopard. Windows 7 is the next version, like Snow Leopard.

Windows 7 is supposed to be out in October.

214 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:17:37pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Chicago AM radio ROCKED.

I lived in Albany, Georgia before I moved to Pennsylvania in the 70s. The radio station selection in Albany consisted of a top 40 am station, religious am stations, public radio on fm as well as a black station on fm. When I got to Pa I was starting high school and WDVE out of Pittsburgh introduced me to rock music. That's when I heard The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, and others.

215 tblot  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:19:37pm

Apple’s Safari 4 sure does rock

216 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:19:39pm

Just got done watching the new Pat Condell vid that Kiwi Infidel posted a link to. I'll embed it here, because its worth a view, and in my opinion a thread of its own:

Youtube Video
217 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:03pm

re: #211 jorline

Not often. ;)

Horsefeathers!

218 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:32pm

re: #213 CapitalistTool

Vista is now, like Leopard. Windows 7 is the next version, like Snow Leopard.

Windows 7 is supposed to be out in October.

If you have a spare computer (of hard drive) you can download a beta version of Windows 7 here and try it out. It's good till June 1, 2010.

219 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:37pm

re: #213 CapitalistTool

Vista is now, like Leopard. Windows 7 is the next version, like Snow Leopard.

Windows 7 is supposed to be out in October.

The chair is against the wall.

220 Yankee Division Son  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:20:41pm

It's Windows Vista + plus, from what I've been reading, no major new features that I've heard thus far...

221 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:22:13pm

All this tech stuff is great, except I'll never ever be able to afford shit like this and kindle and all the other toys. So I watch and read and maybe know what 1/4 of what Charles and the other computer gurus are talking about!

222 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:22:28pm

re: #170 avanti

To "park" a satellite, it would have to be out one earth circumference, (24,000 miles)too far that type of surveillance.

True. I should have known that. I like watching for satellites traveling across the sky early dusk when I'm out of the city lights which isn't often.

But I could see some inventive news agency using a tethered weather balloon with a camera mounted to it filming video of an event they couldn't get close to on the ground. How hard could it be to do that?

223 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:23:31pm

When I first started using computers, MS-DOS 3.3 was The One That Worked; 4.0 was The One That Sucked, and 5.0 was Revolutionary (omg EMM386.EXE !11). I was an OS/2 zealot for a while, and I am a Linux (Arch and Fedora) zealot right now. Even so, I must admit that Win7 is a gigantic improvement over Vista, and is actually Pretty Good.

224 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:23:56pm

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

I lived in Albany, Georgia before I moved to Pennsylvania in the 70s. The radio station selection in Albany consisted of a top 40 am station, religious am stations, public radio on fm as well as a black station on fm. When I got to Pa I was starting high school and WDVE out of Pittsburgh introduced me to rock music. That's when I heard The Who, Pink Floyd, Led Zep, and others.

I spent many a night in my nanny's bedroom with her radio. There was a Chicago AM station that could be picked up only at night due to the ionosphere or some such.

225 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:24:20pm

Oh, by the way, my avatar is my much-belated Father's Day avatar. I couldn't get the computer that can downsize pictures on Father's Day, but now I can, so I thought I'd do it anyway and give my Dad equal time.

226 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:24:32pm

re: #223 negativ

When I first started using computers, MS-DOS 3.3 was The One That Worked; 4.0 was The One That Sucked, and 5.0 was Revolutionary (omg EMM386.EXE !11). I was an OS/2 zealot for a while, and I am a Linux (Arch and Fedora) zealot right now. Even so, I must admit that Win7 is a gigantic improvement over Vista, and is actually Pretty Good.

MacOSist!

;-P

227 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:25:23pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Horsefeathers!

Butt monkeys!

They're running the commercial again.

228 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:26:06pm

re: #217 MandyManners

Horsefeathers!

Bull Puckey!

229 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:26:38pm

Just watched a dvd I'd forgot I had. Bagdad Bob. What a hoot.

230 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:26:42pm

re: #209 MandyManners

Chicago AM radio ROCKED.

WLS vs. WCFL

231 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:27:08pm

re: #225 EmmmieG

Oh, by the way, my avatar is my much-belated Father's Day avatar. I couldn't get the computer that can downsize pictures on Father's Day, but now I can, so I thought I'd do it anyway and give my Dad equal time.

And is that you he is holding?

232 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:27:23pm

re: #227 jorline
They have a commercial for Butt Monkeys? WTH?

233 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:27:53pm

re: #231 Walter L. Newton

And is that you he is holding?

Yes. I digitized my parents' slides for them a few years back, and kept a copy.

234 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:15pm

BOB SEGER ROCKS.


Youtube Video
235 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:25pm

re: #232 pingjockey

They have a commercial for Butt Monkeys? WTH?

Beer Battered and deep fried!

236 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:37pm

re: #233 EmmmieG

Yes. I digitized my parents' slides for them a few years back, and kept a copy.

Wow, how does you little fingers type so fast on the keyboard, or do you use a little laptop :)

237 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:28:58pm

re: #235 jcm
I thought that was a troll recipe?!

238 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:03pm

re: #232 pingjockey

They have a commercial for Butt Monkeys? WTH?

Yep...I you end up with a four hour woody, cantact your doctor ASAP.

239 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:28pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

Wow, how does you little fingers type so fast on the keyboard, or do you use a little laptop :)

If you check out my Dad's hair, you'll realize the even more amazing part is that I'm posting this from 1970.

240 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:29:46pm

re: #238 jorline

Yep...I you end up with a four hour woody, cantact your doctor ASAP.

Did you take you Ambian already?

241 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:02pm

re: #238 jorline
Mwahaha! The better half and I laugh about the side affects...delayed back ache, gee ya think!

242 tedzilla99  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:17pm

As long as they didn't name it "Extreme" - I can't wait till that particular adjective goes away

243 pingjockey  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:42pm

later folks!

244 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:30:57pm

re: #239 EmmmieG

If you check out my Dad's hair, you'll realize the even more amazing part is that I'm posting this from 1970.

Now you scared me, since I'm old enough to be holding you. I thought I was only 18, I still feel like it.

245 jorline  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:31:08pm

re: #240 Walter L. Newton

Did you take you Ambian already?

Evening Walter...lmao

Ambian is a half hour away.

246 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:32:46pm

re: #234 MandyManners

BOB SEGER ROCKS.

Youtube Video

I like Bob Seger. And his Silver Bullet Band!

Good stuff

247 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:32:49pm

re: #237 pingjockey

I thought that was a troll recipe?!

It's a good recipe for trolls. The next thread we can catch some, let's fire up the deep fryer and give it a try.

248 Ateam  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:33:01pm

re: #176 MandyManners

Thank you, I think.

Nerveless, they are saying they want your mother first name to do a better job on her.
I don't trust this bunch of religious moonbats. But on d other side - what the fuck do yo to regrade firming up your's Mom 1th name?

249 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:33:54pm

G'nite Gracie.

250 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:34:50pm

re: #234 MandyManners

I grew up in Lincoln Park. Everyone from LP knows the song Seger mentioned it.

251 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:35:19pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

It's a good recipe for trolls. The next thread we can catch some, let's fire up the deep fryer and give it a try.

Troll half life has gone way down, we used to toy with them for hours. Now days they melt down in half a dozen comments.

I guess the farm raised trolls just aren't the same as the wild ones.

252 Kenneth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:35:26pm

G'night all. I'm off to the wilds of north Ontario in the morning for a week. No internet, no email, no TV and no LGF... nice.

Play nice and make sure the world don't go to shit while I'm away.

Oh, I forgot it already has ever since Nov. 11th...

In that case, carry on.

253 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:35:49pm

Funny, I just logged on while installing my 8th copy of Windows 7 Ultimate

254 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:36:02pm
255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:37:55pm

re: #250 Mich-again

I grew up in Lincoln Park. Everyone from LP knows the song Seger mentioned it.

Are you from Chicago? I grew up in the Lincoln Park neighborhood of Chicago.

256 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:16pm

Been using it full time on two work PCs for the last couple of weeks. It is a good upgrade for a number of reasons, I set up a dual boot with XP Pro, yet have not yet found reason to log on to XP.

257 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:38:21pm

re: #254 Iron Fist

I thnk that they give you pennicillin for that.

Is that the one in the buttocks with the BIG needle?

*whimper*

258 wiffersnapper  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:14pm

I can't wait for Windows 7! And surprisingly Vista was a good OS for me. Not sure what all the fuss was about really.

PC user because it can game.

259 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:17pm

I think the market gods will be angry tomorrow about the crap & tax vote.

260 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:52pm

Dammit, he's a man.

Bob Seger.

261 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:39:55pm

re: #251 jcm

Troll half life has gone way down, we used to toy with them for hours. Now days they melt down in half a dozen comments.

I guess the farm raised trolls just aren't the same as the wild ones.

Iceweasel, Salamantis, HoosierHoops, and I had a good run pounding on OsamabinAsshat afew weeks back before he got the stick.

262 CapitalistTool  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:40:24pm

re: #48 jcm

A Big Windows hit, a blast from the past.

Microsoft Bob

*shrug* I liked the post-modern rooms.

If people are going to slam Bob, I'd like to see them defend Apple's eWorld.

263 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:40:35pm

re: #259 huckfunn

I think the market gods will be angry tomorrow about the crap & tax vote.

Love to hear 3 Wood's take on it.

264 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:20pm

Oopsie!

265 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:41:32pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Iceweasel, Salamantis, HoosierHoops, and I had a good run pounding on OsamabinAsshat afew weeks back before he got the stick.

I remember the nic, missed the whack-a-thon!

266 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:14pm

re: #263 CynicalConservative

Love to hear 3 Wood's take on it.

Who's 3 Woods?

267 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:43pm

"I'm stalkin' here!" - Catso Rizzo

(Sorry, cat just brought me a "present".)

268 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:42:55pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Not so lucky. I'm referring to the Detroit version. Though I have been in Chicago's LP quite a few times and feel at home there.

269 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:10pm

re: #266 huckfunn

Who's 3 Woods?

Financial guy that posts here a lot.

270 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:19pm

re: #257 jcm

Is that the one in the buttocks with the BIG needle?

*whimper*


Oh hell, dont remind me!

I tripped over a stainless steel benchtop when I was 15 and scraped the skin off my shin down to the bone. My older bro took me to the emergency dept where they stitched it all up, then gave me a TB shot in one cheek and the BIG OLE Needle of penicillen in the other, Shit it hurt. I limped out of the room and my bro says, "Is that from the stitching?" Hell, no, I say, its the bloody needle shot in my arse that hurts! I got no sympathy!

271 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:28pm

re: #262 CapitalistTool

*shrug* I liked the post-modern rooms.

If people are going to slam Bob, I'd like to see them defend Apple's eWorld.

Hah! Not here!

272 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:43:53pm

re: #269 CynicalConservative

Financial guy that posts here a lot.

Thanks; I'll keep my eye peeled for him. What are your thoughts?

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:08pm

re: #265 jcm

I remember the nic, missed the whack-a-thon!

He decided to go on a misogyny bender. Lucky for him Mandy had gone to bed already or he would have really caught it.

274 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:44:42pm

re: #270 A Kiwi Infidel

Oh hell, dont remind me!

I tripped over a stainless steel benchtop when I was 15 and scraped the skin off my shin down to the bone. My older bro took me to the emergency dept where they stitched it all up, then gave me a TB shot in one cheek and the BIG OLE Needle of penicillen in the other, Shit it hurt. I limped out of the room and my bro says, "Is that from the stitching?" Hell, no, I say, its the bloody needle shot in my arse that hurts! I got no sympathy!

ROFL!

275 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:39pm

re: #260 MandyManners

Dammit, he's a man.

Bob Seger.


I'll bet he doesnt look like that now, tho!

276 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:45:55pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

He decided to go on a misogyny bender. Lucky for him Mandy had gone to bed already or he would have really caught it.

LOL! I think I remember seeing a little of it. Distracted lurking.....

277 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:12pm

re: #272 huckfunn

Thanks; I'll keep my eye peeled for him. What are your thoughts?

-200/-300 early, probably stabilize around -150/-200 for the day. No data to back this up, just my guess. If the market was in Pre-Obama days, I'd expect 1K plus losses but given we're so far off the highs, I'll stand by my lower numbers. I think it's going to be bloody regardless.

278 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:19pm

re: #9 Taqyia2Me

If it's as good as advertised, it would be nice to be able to jump from XP straight to 7.

Taqyia2Me -

For the record, YOU CAN. Has to be a "Clean Install" though. For VISTA Machines, more like an update on disc. Have run "7" in virtual and like it. Have pre-ordered "7" upgrade for this machine already. Why not? Your credit card doesn't get charged until it is shipped, at least at the Microsoft Store. As for new computer buyers, Acer/eMachines/Gateway, Asus, Averratec, Dell, HP/Compaq, Sony and Toshiba are participating in the Free "Vista to 7" upgrade program, good thru 1/31/2010. Pre 6/26 purchasers are more limited by time. The $49.95 Home Premium upgrade is only good thru 7/11/2009. Basic Sys Req is a 1Ghz CPU and 1Gb RAM - Double, more or less, those figures and I am sure it will work well for casual users. To use the old Chevy analogy I have used - xp = '55, VISTA = '58, 7 = '64 Chevelle. That is all.

-S-

279 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:31pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

He decided to go on a misogyny bender. Lucky for him Mandy had gone to bed already or he would have really caught it.

Ah to think of the opportunity for tenderizing that was missed.

280 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:44pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

If you have a spare computer (of hard drive) you can download a beta version of Windows 7 here and try it out. It's good till June 1, 2010.

Actually, just install it on the PC with Windows XP to a separate partition an it will install with a dual boot, you choose which version of windows to boot to.

281 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:46:55pm

The Who - My Wife

Youtube Video

With Zak Starkey on drums!

282 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:47:24pm

re: #270 A Kiwi Infidel

Oh hell, dont remind me!

I tripped over a stainless steel benchtop when I was 15 and scraped the skin off my shin down to the bone. My older bro took me to the emergency dept where they stitched it all up, then gave me a TB shot in one cheek and the BIG OLE Needle of penicillen in the other, Shit it hurt. I limped out of the room and my bro says, "Is that from the stitching?" Hell, no, I say, its the bloody needle shot in my arse that hurts! I got no sympathy!

You're making me go weak here. Not the needle part. The shin to the bone part. Not a nurse. Could never be a nurse or doctor.

283 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:17pm

re: #278 Dr. Shalit

Should have no problems running the 32bit version on a PC that runs XP, the 64bit version may be a bit finicky on older hardware, but I've had no problems yet.

284 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:36pm
285 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:37pm

re: #280 Bagua

Actually, just install it on the PC with Windows XP to a separate partition an it will install with a dual boot, you choose which version of windows to boot to.

I don't think I have a separate partition. Where do I look?

286 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:48:40pm

re: #277 CynicalConservative

-200/-300 early, probably stabilize around -150/-200 for the day. No data to back this up, just my guess. If the market was in Pre-Obama days, I'd expect 1K plus losses but given we're so far off the highs, I'll stand by my lower numbers. I think it's going to be bloody regardless.

That's roughly my take. The response from the market has to hit the admin right in the kisser and I hope the Senate is watching.

287 Buck  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:04pm

re: #16 Taqyia2Me

If I need more equipment to go to 7, I'll just switch to Apple all the sooner.

You actually need less equipment for 7. I have installed it on a couple of older laptops, and it seems to work well. These are laptops that seemed slow with XP.

288 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:18pm

re: #281 NJDhockeyfan


Love the WHO, Found a CD of "Whos next" and took it home. The teen kids got hold of it and now its downloaded onto their ipods.

289 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:49:59pm

re: #277 CynicalConservative

-200/-300 early, probably stabilize around -150/-200 for the day. No data to back this up, just my guess. If the market was in Pre-Obama days, I'd expect 1K plus losses but given we're so far off the highs, I'll stand by my lower numbers. I think it's going to be bloody regardless.

Monday futures show the market down 13 points, but some market indicators due out could make it go higher or lower.
I don't expect a monster move either way.

290 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:50:47pm

re: #285 NJDhockeyfan

Usually you set up partitions when you first format the drive and install windows, however, it is also possible to add a partition after the fact. It is better to make a separate partition for each OS, but may work fine without, I haven't tested that.

291 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:12pm

re: #286 huckfunn

That's roughly my take. The response from the market has to hit the admin right in the kisser and I hope the Senate is watching.

I agree with the assessments that the razor thin margin in the house is a death knell for the bill in the Senate. Market's still gonna suck for the forseeable future (unless you're rose colored glasses avanti) and I expect tomorrow to be a stellar example of Obamanomics.

292 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:14pm

re: #266 huckfunn

Who's 3 Woods?

Don't be an ass.

293 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:31pm

re: #277 CynicalConservative

-200/-300 early, probably stabilize around -150/-200 for the day. No data to back this up, just my guess. If the market was in Pre-Obama days, I'd expect 1K plus losses but given we're so far off the highs, I'll stand by my lower numbers. I think it's going to be bloody regardless.

You may be pretty close, but we could also be a little surprised. The vote in the House was too close for comfort for the administration, and the Senate looks to be pretty queasy about all this. Small sell-off Friday could make your prediction a pretty good one, but we might also see a small increase tomorrow with the big sell on Tuesday.

Bloody? Oh yeah, I think you're right. To me it's only whether it's Monday or Tuesday.

294 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:34pm

re: #283 Bagua

Should have no problems running the 32bit version on a PC that runs XP, the 64bit version may be a bit finicky on older hardware, but I've had no problems yet.

Bagua -

Pray Tell, why install 64 bit without at least a Core Duo or equivalent and 4 Gb minimum of RAM?

-S-

295 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:36pm
296 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:51:52pm

re: #288 A Kiwi Infidel

Love the WHO, Found a CD of "Whos next" and took it home. The teen kids got hold of it and now its downloaded onto their ipods.

Sweet! My favorite record is Quadrophenia. I wore out a few tapes of that one.

5:15

Youtube Video
297 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:52:10pm

re: #287 Buck

You actually need less equipment for 7. I have installed it on a couple of older laptops, and it seems to work well. These are laptops that seemed slow with XP.

Same hear, my "old" sony Vaio single core with 1gig ram(the max) runs much better on Windows 7 according to subjective observations.

298 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:01pm

re: #289 avanti

Monday futures show the market down 13 points, but some market indicators due out could make it go higher or lower.
I don't expect a monster move either way.

We shall see. Futures are often wrong and given the mass of pablum based news in the past 72 hours, I expect a stunning wake-up call some time shortly after the market opens and the Michael Jackson euphoria wears off.

299 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:54pm

re: #290 Bagua

Usually you set up partitions when you first format the drive and install windows, however, it is also possible to add a partition after the fact. It is better to make a separate partition for each OS, but may work fine without, I haven't tested that.

I found a spare hard drive today. I planned on using that one for 7.

300 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:53:56pm

re: #298 CynicalConservative

We shall see. Futures are often wrong and given the mass of pablum based news in the past 72 hours, I expect a stunning wake-up call some time shortly after the market opens and the Michael Jackson euphoria wears off.

Yes; but how long will the Billy Mays euphoria last?

301 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:54:30pm

re: #294 Dr. Shalit

Good point, yes of course I'm only referring to a core duo, AMD64, or similar 64bit CPU.

And yes I run 4-8gig standard, however, my laptop has 1gig ram and runs great on Windows 7, gave it a new life, and 2 gig is probably more than enough for most users.

302 MandyManners  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:54:47pm

re: #275 A Kiwi Infidel

I'll bet he doesnt look like that now, tho!

What about Betty Lou?


Youtube Video
303 pegcity  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:19pm

i have windows 7 RC1, i love it

304 huckfunn  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:21pm

re: #292 MandyManners

Don't be an ass.

'scuse me?

305 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:28pm

re: #299 NJDhockeyfan

I found a spare hard drive today. I planned on using that one for 7.

Yes, that will be even better than a second partition, just install to it from XP and a dual boot will set up automatically.

306 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:34pm

re: #291 CynicalConservative

I agree with the assessments that the razor thin margin in the house is a death knell for the bill in the Senate. Market's still gonna suck for the forseeable future (unless you're rose colored glasses avanti) and I expect tomorrow to be a stellar example of Obamanomics.

You may be correct, but I bought in fairly heavy when the market was down 30% from today's and some on here were predicting it would go lower. We'll know in a few hours.

307 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:55:38pm

re: #300 huckfunn

Yes; but how long will the Billy Mays euphoria last?

With no disrespect to the family, I hope it doesn't make the Monday news cycle.

308 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:10pm

After watching a few clips of Michael Jackson interviews these last few days I have to say that the movie "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" with Johnny Depp is one-half a remake of the original Willy Wonka movie, and one-half a biography of Michael Jackson.

I have watched the Depp movie dozens of times with the kids, its one of the great kid films ever. But not until MJ passed did I get the impression it was about him. But the two characters have lots in common.

309 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:16pm

re: #303 pegcity

i have windows 7 RC1, i love it

Me too. Never looked back after installing.

310 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:54pm

Well well well, look who wants to get into talk radio? savage_nation himself: "I think if I got a talk show, it would be incredible, given my life experiences and insights.

I’m gonna put together some type of demo tape and shop it around, couldn’t hurt."

311 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:56:57pm

re: #302 MandyManners

What about Betty Lou?

Youtube Video


Betty Lou, Betty Lou, oh how I got the hots for you!

312 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:22pm

re: #306 avanti

You may be correct, but I bought in fairly heavy when the market was down 30% from today's and some on here were predicting it would go lower. We'll know in a few hours.

Couldn't resist the jab and not wishing bad on your market positions. We shall indeed see in the next 12 hours. Hope to see you online in the morning, and not so you can serve me a fresh plate of crow. :-)

313 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 8:58:30pm

re: #309 CynicalConservative

Me too. Never looked back after installing.

I thought I'd still use the XP, but I only use the Win7, it has too many useful features to not choose.

314 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:10pm

re: #306 avanti

You may be correct, but I bought in fairly heavy when the market was down 30% from today's and some on here were predicting it would go lower. We'll know in a few hours.

Congrats on the Positive Karma, that's an stunning recovery from -2K.

315 dapperdave  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:19pm

I think I'll stick to my Linux, I dual boot to Windows xp because of some software that I have wont run on Linux, other than that it's Linux all the way.

316 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:00:20pm

re: #310 MrPaulRevere

Well well well, look who wants to get into talk radio? savage_nation himself: "I think if I got a talk show, it would be incredible, given my life experiences and insights.

I’m gonna put together some type of demo tape and shop it around, couldn’t hurt."

Savage from the blomocracy!? He's going to have to change his nic, if so.

317 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:04pm

re: #312 CynicalConservative

Couldn't resist the jab and not wishing bad on your market positions. We shall indeed see in the next 12 hours. Hope to see you online in the morning, and not so you can serve me a fresh plate of crow. :-)

Look, we're both guessing, the market may well move up or down because of some data that comes out that neither of us expected, so no crow from me even if it does not make a big drop.

318 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:51pm

re: #314 CynicalConservative

Congrats on the Positive Karma, that's an stunning recovery from -2K.

Thanks, you and some other Lizards are responsible.

319 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:51pm

re: #135 BlueCanuck

Blue: That's encouraging. Thanks. Fortunately, I don't know enough about what I'm doing to "push" anything with XP. Installing memory chips in my laptop was my big adventure, and I haven't pushed my luck since.

I do seem to remember lots of blue days with Windows 98, but that was in a galaxy long ago and far away.

320 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:01:56pm

re: #317 avanti

Look, we're both guessing, the market may well move up or down because of some data that comes out that neither of us expected, so no crow from me even if it does not make a big drop.

Works for me.

321 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:30pm

re: #310 MrPaulRevere

Well well well, look who wants to get into talk radio? savage_nation himself: "I think if I got a talk show, it would be incredible, given my life experiences and insights.

I’m gonna put together some type of demo tape and shop it around, couldn’t hurt."

We should take his demo tape and dissolve it in alcohol. We could market as 100 proof Crazy.

322 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:02:48pm

re: #315 dapperdave

If you mainly use Linux there would be not much reason to switch to Win 7
re: #318 avanti

I'm dinging you down just so you don't get over-confident.

;-)

323 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:38pm

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

"I think if I got a talk show, it would be incredible, given my life experiences and insights." I have a sneaky feeling that would take about 15 minutes.

324 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:04:41pm

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

"The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair."

I guess the euphemism for raising taxes is now "revenue"?
And the euphemism for speaking out against raising taxes is now being called a "terrorist"?

Didn't the Iranian Mullahs call the protesters "terrorists" also?

325 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:05:41pm

Good evening y'all!
I'm running VISTA because when my XP motherboard and then Hard Drive failed, Best Buy - after trying for three months couldn't get a new motherboard or hard drive that wasn't defective.
So they gave me full credit for the price I paid for my XP-Pro, gave me a hot shot Vista and their "black tie" warranty (if any software or hardware goes down for 3 years after purchase, they will come to MY house and Fix or Replace it FREE).
I didn't want Vista, but - contrary to all y'all who are technilogical genuses, I've actually come to like Vista. I know, I know. But I do. Course it came with 5 Gig RAM which helped and I don't do any web designing or anything, just use it to surf the net (ok, mostly just to come to LGF) and e-mail. I AM NOT going to upgrade to Billy Gates 7.

326 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:05:46pm

re: #296 NJDhockeyfan

Sweet! My favorite record is Quadrophenia. I wore out a few tapes of that one.

5:15


NJDHockeyFan -

Which is WHY, "Back in the Day" the way to go was:

1. Buy (Borrow?) the LP.
2. Tape it within the first 5 or so plays.
3. Play the Tape after that, putting the LP to sleep.
4. If/when the tape breaks/gets melted - Re-Tape from the LP.

When CD first got popular, the way to go was:

1. Buy (Borrow?), the CD.
2. Tape the CD for Car Play, Play the CD at home, unless borrowed.
3. If/when the tape breaks/gets melted - Re-Tape from CD.

Today.

1. Burn Backup Copy CD or Download to iPod or MP3.

'Ain't Technology Wonderful?

-S-

327 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:17pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Taxpayers have long been considered "revenue providers" in California.
It's working out so well, here!
/////

328 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:06:32pm

re: #24 Macker

XP: eXtra Pain.
Vista: Vile Interface Sure To Agonize.

All I can say is I've never gotten the BSOD with either XP or Vista. It was a regular occurrence with 98.

329 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:04pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

"The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair."

I guess the euphemism for raising taxes is now "revenue"?
And the euphemism for speaking out against raising taxes is now being called a "terrorist"?

Didn't the Iranian Mullahs call the protesters "terrorists" also?

I guess some don't understand Representative Republic.

If the Congresscritters piss us off, we fire their ass.

330 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:49pm

A few key features I like:

The way multiple monitors are handled, big improvement and removes the need for UltraMon, which caused some problems.

The Snip tool is great, replaces 95% of Snagit use for screen capture.

The Explorer is better, the task bar is handy, the chess game is an improvement to solitaire, and everything just looks nicer.

331 A Kiwi Infidel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:07:51pm

OK outa here, bak 2moro

332 dapperdave  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:08pm

Hey Buck, bite me!

333 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:08:25pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

"The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair."

I guess the euphemism for raising taxes is now "revenue"?
And the euphemism for speaking out against raising taxes is now being called a "terrorist"?

Didn't the Iranian Mullahs call the protesters "terrorists" also?

Yep. Tyrants all talk the same way. They butcher language on their way to butchering people. And yes, I think that many leftists are would-be tyrants. I would also call what conservative host do "holding legislators to account".

334 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:14pm

re: #297 Bagua

Same hear, my "old" sony Vaio single core with 1gig ram(the max) runs much better on Windows 7 according to subjective observations.

Bagua -

I assume these were "Clean Installs" or at minimum "dual boot." Bet a "clean RE install" of XP would have also worked wonders.

-S-

335 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:48pm

re: #325 realwest

Windows 7 is basically a service pack and dress up to Vista, but the small change was enough to make it better.

336 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:09:57pm

re: #329 jcm

I guess some don't understand Representative Republic.

If the Congresscritters piss us off, we fire their ass.

I guess that makes me a terrorist, because I speak out about higher taxes revenues all the time.

:)

337 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:31pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

"The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair."

I guess the euphemism for raising taxes is now "revenue"?
And the euphemism for speaking out against raising taxes is now being called a "terrorist"?

Didn't the Iranian Mullahs call the protesters "terrorists" also?

Wow! No wonder California is about to become the roadmap for state implosion. Huge deficits, no curb on spending, the U-Haul's taking productive folks out of the state in a manner that reminds me of the Embarkation from Cythera, and now a speaker who thinks all they need is more "revenue" and that anyone in the legislature against raising taxes is a victim of "terrorism".

"Don't Cry for Me Sacaramento" - from the musical Evicta.

338 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:10:34pm

re: #310 MrPaulRevere

Do you have any idea what it would be like when anyone heard him? They would take their radios and throw them out the window..in a skyscraper it would be horrific! And people in cars? An unmitigated disaster!

He seriously needs psychiatric care in a mental institution...delusions of grandeur, at the very least! ;)

339 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:20pm

re: #329 jcm

I guess some don't understand Representative Republic.

If the Congresscritters piss us off, we fire their ass.

They don't think it should work that way. They think we should shut up and let them run things as they wish. The think anyone who objects is the one with the problem. Its called an Oversized Ego, and its a problem i understand very well, because I suffer from it at times.

340 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:28pm

Hi guys. Just got back home from the Big Apple.

341 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:11:47pm

re: #324 DesertSage
Hey Sage! How are you doing my friend? I hate to say this, but the speaker of the California Assembly needs to look in the mirror and ask herself "what's wrong with cutting expenses, other than you risk political capital if you cut anything meaningful, dollar- wise. Why is the answer always tax folks MORE and have the California Government do LESS with the money?"

342 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:00pm

re: #318 avanti

Thanks, you and some other Lizards are responsible.

I'm responsible on both sides. Was a lemming down-dinger for a while, for which I apologize. I try to avoid any feedback based on ideology now and base it on content.

343 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:05pm

re: #321 Dark_Falcon

We should take his demo tape and dissolve it in alcohol. We could market as 100 proof Crazy.

Why didn't I think of that?

344 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:45pm

re: #338 NY Nana

I was thinking of registering over there and raising some you know what, but Charles disapproves. But man it would be fun!

345 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:50pm

re: #334 Dr. Shalit

Correct on the new installs, however, my XP Pro install is also a fresh, highly stripped down version of XP, so even XP runs much better than what the Vaio came with.

I keep a fresh install image of every OS I use and "flash" it whenever there is any problem or slow down.

The Windows 7 made a difference in several area that are a subjective improvement.

346 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:12:59pm

What do I think of Windows 7? Let me just say that the last set of computers I bought, I paid a premium to have XP installed, because Vista SUUUUUUUUUUCKS

347 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:13:13pm

re: #335 Bagua What small change in 7 would make it better for someone like me?
Serious question here - I'm not quite as tech stupid as I frequently appear.

348 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:13:59pm

re: #336 DesertSage

I guess that makes me a terrorist, because I speak out about higher taxes revenues all the time.

:)

It makes me a terrorist as well.

349 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:10pm

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

They don't think it should work that way. They think we should shut up and let them run things as they wish. The think anyone who objects is the one with the problem. Its called an Oversized Ego, and its a problem i understand very well, because I suffer from it at times.

Sometimes I think we've crossed the line into Oligarchy. The Professional Political Class we have now is damn close to it, if not it.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:14pm

re: #326 Dr. Shalit

Yes but there is something special about taking the album off the shelf, taking the record out and playing it on the record player while reading the cover and looking at the art work. The covers were also great for cleaning your pot on.

351 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:14:50pm

re: #340 Alouette Hey, didja all enjoy your trip to my hometown?!

352 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:15:20pm

re: #347 realwest

What small change in 7 would make it better for someone like me?
Serious question here - I'm not quite as tech stupid as I frequently appear.

Not Bagua, but....

Just the fact that Win 7 doesn't ask you 3 times for approval every time you click a button is a huge improvement (yeah, I'm exagerrating, but you know...). It's much better at assessing what is actual user interaction vs. malware hi-jack situations.

353 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:15:37pm

re: #326 Dr. Shalit

One tape which I actually played to death was a cassette of "Fables of The Reconstruction" by R.E.M. I'm glad I did 'cause it helped me get through that divorce so long ago!

354 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:24pm
355 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:16:43pm

re: #352 CynicalConservative

Not Bagua, but....

Just the fact that Win 7 doesn't ask you 3 times for approval every time you click a button is a huge improvement (yeah, I'm exagerrating, but you know...). It's much better at assessing what is actual user interaction vs. malware hi-jack situations.

But having the software ask permission made be feel......
Important!

;-)

356 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:16pm

re: #342 CynicalConservative

I'm responsible on both sides. Was a lemming down-dinger for a while, for which I apologize. I try to avoid any feedback based on ideology now and base it on content.

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

357 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:27pm

re: #347 realwest

Good question, I am comparing it exclusively to XP Pro as I refused any version of Vista. I know it deals with many of the nagging things Vista users complained about, and is less of a resource hog.

A lot of what I like now is the way windows, task bar works to operate multiple programs and windows. The Snip tool is very handy. Beyond that it appears very stable, and this is only a Release Candidate, Vista was a real problem until the first service pack.

358 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:49pm

re: #355 jcm

But having the software ask permission made be feel......
Important!

;-)

Software must a (d) near it's name to need the external validation...

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:17:56pm

re: #349 jcm

Sometimes I think we've crossed the line into Oligarchy. The Professional Political Class we have now is damn close to it, if not it.

Quite Concur. I've also gotten a sudden surge of enthusiasm for anti-tax rallies. Yes we have to keep racists away from them, but remarks like what the Cal Speaker made show why they are needed. The legislatures need to be kept on notice: "Behave like bunch of robber barons and you'll get bounced out on your asses!"

360 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:18:52pm

re: #356 avanti

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

Exactly. The trap I had to remove myself from. Evaluate the content and context.

361 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:19:17pm

re: #356 avanti

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

Well you did dig your way out. From -1100 to +73, congrats!

362 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:19:33pm

I'd add that if one considers an upgrade to a Solid State Hard Drive, which would probably be the best single update they ever do, then Windows 7 is ready for this while XP Pro needs many tweeks and fussing about.

363 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:19:35pm

re: #355 jcm

But having the software ask permission made be feel......
Important!

;-)


ROTFL! Evening jcm - how are you tonight?

364 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:19:46pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Well you did dig your way out. From -1100 to +73, congrats!

Over -2000 at some point.

365 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:06pm

If Venezuela attacks Honduras, which way will Obama waiver?

Can he dare oppose Hugo, Hollywierds idol of the day?

366 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:14pm

re: #351 realwest

Hey, didja all enjoy your trip to my hometown?!


The only reason I go to NY is because my kids live there. If I could find a "I Yucky Face New York" souvenir, I would buy it.

367 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:18pm

re: #356 avanti

So, I guess that week at the reeducation camp worked out?
;)

368 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:20:31pm

re: #365 Syrah

If Venezuela attacks Honduras, which way will Obama waiver?

Can he dare oppose Hugo, Hollywierds idol of the day?

Present!

369 Bagua  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:04pm

And, the little software build ins do a better, more integrated job than the add on programs needed for XP, the alone covers the upgrade cost.

370 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:13pm

re: #357 Bagua Ah, ok. Thanks for getting back to me.

371 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:23pm

re: #344 MrPaulRevere

I was thinking of registering over there and raising some you know what, but Charles disapproves. But man it would be fun!

Please don't dumpster dive! That place is actually a cesspool...seriously, Charles is 2,000,000% right. They spit on him there, along with any Lizard who dares to comment about them, and the reason they have a green background is that they are so jealous of LGF that they actually turned green.

They are not lizard green...more like toothless alligator green.

/If Charles were to let the hamsters loose? They would wet their pants in fear.

372 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:21:42pm

re: #356 avanti

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

Hi avanti! That's why you've never gotten a down ding from me, but have gotten up dings. You've always been civil -- and sometimes even funny -- without being a jerk. If I disagree, I just shrug. If I agree, I up ding.

Heck, sometimes I've given ya an up ding even when we've disagreed, just because you've been a gentleman about it.

;-)

373 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:16pm

re: #360 CynicalConservative

Exactly. The trap I had to remove myself from. Evaluate the content and context.

Now if we could just the the politicians to do that. Not all GOP idea's should be bad idea's to Dems, and the reverse. If LGF was run like Congress if you updinged me, you'd get a million down dings for being a RINO.
For example the GOP had some excellent amendments to the cap and trade bill, but because they came from the other side they were rejected. If the GOP takes power, they'll repay the favor, and off we go again.

374 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:26pm

re: #348 Pvt Bin Jammin

It makes me a terrorist as well.

Me three!

375 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:40pm

re: #363 realwest

ROTFL! Evening jcm - how are you tonight?

Teething today....
Not me, munckin. We met with the biological grandparents of our adopted daughter, we meet with them once a month, we have a great time. The only grandchild from this mom they see is the one that's adopted, the others are with the bio-fathers and they never see them. So they like seeing the boys and their "real" grand daughter. Spent the afternoon in the park, and a picnic got a little sunburn. Worn the kids completely out!

376 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:24:57pm
377 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:25:09pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

You just can't fix stupid.

378 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:26:18pm

re: #377 Wendya

You just can't fix stupid.

When stupid ceased being painful, stupid became more common.

379 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:26:27pm

re: #376 Iron Fist

He'll vote present and quitely let the Chinese and Russianas expand down into the area. Obama is all about projecting American weakness abroad. And the evil ones smell the weakness. It is like blood in the water to sharks. By the time we wake up and get a clue we're going to have Russian and Chinese colonies to the south (in additional to places with outright rule by the drug lords. We've already got those)

With Mexico on the brink as it is, I fear that we are in for an interesting time.

380 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:26:27pm

re: #373 avanti

Now if we could just the the politicians to do that. Not all GOP idea's should be bad idea's to Dems, and the reverse. If LGF was run like Congress if you updinged me, you'd get a million down dings for being a RINO.
For example the GOP had some excellent amendments to the cap and trade bill, but because they came from the other side they were rejected. If the GOP takes power, they'll repay the favor, and off we go again.

I watched the markup and the floor debate. There aren't numbers adequate to express my disgust with both sides. For sure it's a viscous cycle and we the people lose every time.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:26:38pm

re: #374 NY Nana

Me three!

Me four. The left is trying to de-legitimize us and our ideas. Let's not let them. Make it your mission this week to educate someone about one of the left's bad ideas.

382 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:27:02pm

re: #365 Syrah

If Venezuela attacks Honduras, which way will Obama waiver?

Can he dare oppose Hugo, Hollywierds idol of the day?

Well first someone will have to show President Obama where Honduras is on a map.
Then someone will have to explain why the President of Honduras was the subject of a coup: he disregared the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court.
Then someone will have to try to explain to him why Hugo Chavez really isn't such a nice fellow after all!
(word is that Chavez had all of the ballots in the unconstitutional election impounded by HIS troops, Air Force).
And even then, I'm STILL not sure what President Obama's response will be to any invasion by Venezuela.

383 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:27:15pm

re: #377 Wendya

So I guess one man's terrorist isn't another man's freedom fighter after all...

/

384 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:27:55pm

re: #348 Pvt Bin Jammin

It makes me a terrorist as well.

You're in good company then.

385 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:27:58pm

re: #366 Alouette
Oh, okay then, thankew very much for that slap in the face.

386 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:18pm

re: #356 avanti

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

I wouldn't mind seeing that particular function go away.

It's a hell of a lot easier to down ding someone than it is to address what they said.

387 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:51pm

re: #382 realwest

You left out the part where the American public is distracted by the untimely passing of Billy Mays.

388 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:52pm

re: #382 realwest

Well first someone will have to show President Obama where Honduras is on a map.
Then someone will have to explain why the President of Honduras was the subject of a coup: he disregared the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court.
Then someone will have to try to explain to him why Hugo Chavez really isn't such a nice fellow after all!
(word is that Chavez had all of the ballots in the unconstitutional election impounded by HIS troops, Air Force).
And even then, I'm STILL not sure what President Obama's response will be to any invasion by Venezuela.

Ice cream in a waffle cone.........

389 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:28:57pm

re: #379 Syrah

With Mexico on the brink as it is, I fear that we are in for an interesting time.

Mexico has a good chance to get healthy, but if they can't hold the line then look out: The drugs wars will cross the border and places like Phoenix could end up far worse. Obama won't do much unless he is pushed.

390 dapperdave  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:29:27pm

re: #377 Wendya

Notice how we can't address the real terrorist as terrorist but it's o.k. to call conservatives terrorist? It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.

391 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:09pm

re: #373 avanti
Excellent comment avanti. Thanks for that one.

392 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:16pm

re: #371 NY Nana

You are right, of course. Any regular here would raise the collective IQ there by 100%. My hell raisin' days are over in any event.

393 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:18pm

re: #367 Floral Giraffe

So, I guess that week at the reeducation camp worked out?
;)

It worked out fine, I was taught to disagree without being disagreeable and not to lose the good in pursuit of the perfect.

394 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:37pm

re: #390 dapperdave

Notice how we can't address the real terrorist as terrorist but it's o.k. to call conservatives terrorist? It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.

Well, look at the bright side. At least the administration hasn't called conservatives "man made disasters".

Yet.

395 kansas  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:48pm

That's about right though, having to terrorize Republicans into actually being Republicans.

396 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:30:55pm

re: #382 realwest

Well first someone will have to show President Obama where Honduras is on a map.
Then someone will have to explain why the President of Honduras was the subject of a coup: he disregared the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court.
Then someone will have to try to explain to him why Hugo Chavez really isn't such a nice fellow after all!
(word is that Chavez had all of the ballots in the unconstitutional election impounded by HIS troops, Air Force).
And even then, I'm STILL not sure what President Obama's response will be to any invasion by Venezuela.

Obama's reaction was shocking.

I wonder if he pays any attention at all too his CIA and State Department briefings. But then again, I suppose it is entirely possible that the briefing aren't worth spit either.

397 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:31:27pm

re: #385 realwest

Oh, okay then, thankew very much for that slap in the face.

I'm not slapping YOU in the face. You moved away, didn't you?

398 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:31:42pm

re: #380 CynicalConservative

I watched the markup and the floor debate. There aren't numbers adequate to express my disgust with both sides. For sure it's a viscous cycle and we the people lose every time.

Dude, you just got sucker punched by spell check. You meant vicious cycle.

(Although, Congress is a sticky mess.)

399 swamprat  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:00pm

re: #111 Kenneth

CNN bugs me! The current headline on the Iran election:

Thousands demonstrate quietly in Iran

Fine. But the picture is from several days ago and it is of a small group of pro-regime protesters in front of the UK embassy, holding crude UK & Israeli flags. They are "protesting" the evil British-Zionist plotters...

What the fuck does this picture have to do with the millions of brave Iranians who have been protesting the regime's attempt to steal the elections for Ahmadinejad?

Because a picture of actual protesters would get them killed.

400 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:08pm

re: #375 jcm
Well it sure sounds like you had a great day! I am, however skeptical that you "wore out" all the kids!

401 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:15pm

re: #390 dapperdave

Notice how we can't address the real terrorist as terrorist but it's o.k. to call conservatives terrorist? It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.

That's it exactly. To many leftists (not to be confused with tolerant liberals like avanti or iceweasel) conservative Asmericans are the worst enemy there is, because we refuse to go along with their grand plan to remake the nation.

402 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:20pm

re: #371 NY Nana

/If Charles were to let the hamsters loose? They would wet their pants in fear.

Yes they would:

Youtube Video
403 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:21pm

re: #390 dapperdave

It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.


Some of the more rabid left wingers believe conservative thought should be a crime.

It may well be that some on the right believe leftist thought should be a crime but if they do, I haven't run across them yet.

404 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:38pm

re: #390 dapperdave

Notice how we can't address the real terrorist as terrorist but it's o.k. to call conservatives terrorist? It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.

It's who scares them more.

A radical islamist is a statist, albeit a religious statist.
A liberal is a secular statist.
Now a conservative / classical liberal is a terrifying creature.
Life, liberty, property, with minimal need for the state.

A statists have more in common with each other than the conservative / classical liberal.

405 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:48pm

re: #398 EmmmieG

Dude, you just got sucker punched by spell check. You meant vicious cycle.

(Although, Congress is a sticky mess.)

LOL! Good catch, but sometimes a typo is really cool. I mean, what the heck, they're all oily bastards aren't they?

;-)

406 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:32:55pm

re: #398 EmmmieG

Dude, you just got sucker punched by spell check. You meant vicious cycle.

(Although, Congress is a sticky mess.)

wipes bleeding nose... bows in shame...


;-)

407 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:40pm

re: #356 avanti

The problem with digging out of a minus Karma hole, is the minus Karma itself. A Lizard will read a comment, check my Karma and think " I don't really disagree that much with the post, but he's obviously a ass hole", DING. :)

Being new helps. We had an exchange about your car hobby and you seemed like a nice guy and I wasn't noticing the dings. As for karma, didn't the ability to check karma come in at some point after November? I logged in my first time in November and it wasn't here at first, I don't think. By the time I realized you were supposed to be this pariah, too bad.

408 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:43pm

re: #386 Wendya

I wouldn't mind seeing that particular function go away.

It's a hell of a lot easier to down ding someone than it is to address what they said.

I don't mind the ding downs, if the dinger explains his/her disagreement. You can't be a slave to Karma though, I'll risk a big down ding if feel strongly about a unpopular issue.

409 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:33:55pm

re: #393 avanti

You are always (IIRC) a gentleman, and add value with your insight.
Congratulations on the karma, it is well earned.

410 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:34:04pm

re: #400 realwest

Well it sure sounds like you had a great day! I am, however skeptical that you "wore out" all the kids!

ROFL!

They do keep us hoppin'!

411 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:34:17pm

re: #324 DesertSage

Conservative Talkers Are Terrorists

"The Republicans were essentially threatened and terrorized against voting for revenue. Now [some] are facing recalls. They operate under a terrorist threat: "You vote for revenue and your career is over." I don't know why we allow that kind of terrorism to exist. I guess it's about free speech, but it's extremely unfair."

I guess the euphemism for raising taxes is now "revenue"?
And the euphemism for speaking out against raising taxes is now being called a "terrorist"?

Didn't the Iranian Mullahs call the protesters "terrorists" also?

Democrats say the darndest things. [shrug]

She's not only a Democrat but speaker of the California Assembly. Additionally she's was co-chair of Barack Obama's California 2008 presidential campaign and a member of "Barack Obama's national African American Leadership Council."

Birds of a feather.

412 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:34:48pm
413 kansas  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:34:52pm

re: #403 Wendya

Some of the more rabid left wingers believe conservative thought should be a crime.

It may well be that some on the right believe leftist thought should be a crime but if they do, I haven't run across them yet.

And you won't. That explains why Ginsberg was treated the way she was. Compare that to Thomas, Roberts, and Alito. Sotomayor will be confirmed politely also. Questioned thoroughly, agressively even, but politely. No Borking for her.

414 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:35:35pm

re: #408 avanti

Have a ding on me brother.

415 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:04pm

re: #390 dapperdave

Notice how we can't address the real terrorist as terrorist but it's o.k. to call conservatives terrorist? It seems to these liberals that their fellow Americans are the enemy.

Dave, unfortunately that bad habit didn't start yesterday, or with liberals. Remember Secretary of Education Rod Paige calling the National Education Association "a terrorist group"?

He later apologized, but he wasn't the first or last to use that stupid hyperbole. Totally counter-productive, whoever does it.

416 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:36:29pm

re: #408 avanti

I don't mind the ding downs, if the dinger explains his/her disagreement. You can't be a slave to Karma though, I'll risk a big down ding if feel strongly about a unpopular issue.

Oh yeah? Oh yeah? Okay, buddy, try me. Just try me. I'm sittin' right here with my finger on the down ding. You want a piece of me? Well? Do ya?

(oops, sorry, do you think six espresso's might be too many?)

:-)

417 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:37:22pm

re: #396 Syrah Well I have doubts about the CIA briefings just cause Panetta - with no background in intelligence work - is in charge of it.
As for the State Department, I wonder if Hillary actually understands the situation well enough to explain it to President Obama.
Either way, as some wag put it upthread, he'll probably just vote present anyway.

418 Racer X  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:37:39pm

re: #412 Iron Fist

Well, folks, we'rr well into six months since Obama was elected, and we see several of those "bad choices where you'll think we're wrong but we won't be. We've got to traverse the rocky waters and the shoals beyond now that we're here. Because he sure looks like he's being tested, and he is definately making the wrong decisions.

I can't think of any great accomplishments. Did I miss them?

419 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:37:42pm

re: #396 Syrah

Obama's reaction was shocking.

I wonder if he pays any attention at all too his CIA and State Department briefings. But then again, I suppose it is entirely possible that the briefing aren't worth spit either.

My opinion is that the POTUS and the rest of the west can't publicly support a military coup against another Democracy even if we don't like the leader. Privately, the west may not be at all upset.

420 dapperdave  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:37:52pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon

Not only that but conservatives will be more truth and straight up with the people and the libs can't stand that, I just can't figure out how why so many people vote for them.

421 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:38:36pm

re: #397 Alouette

I'm not slapping YOU in the face. You moved away, didn't you?


Only out of financial necessity. And yes, I still consider NYC - particularly Manhattan, my hometown.

422 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:38:37pm

re: #403 Wendya

Some of the more rabid left wingers believe conservative thought should be a crime.

It may well be that some on the right believe leftist thought should be a crime but if they do, I haven't run across them yet.

For some people, politics is a substitute for religion. Such people do not see their opponents as being simply wrong or mistaken, they see them as agents of evil. It is not possible to deal rationally with such people.

423 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:38:55pm

re: #417 realwest

Well I have doubts about the CIA briefings just cause Panetta - with no background in intelligence work - is in charge of it.
As for the State Department, I wonder if Hillary actually understands the situation well enough to explain it to President Obama.
Either way, as some wag put it upthread, he'll probably just vote present anyway.

Wag, wag, wag. ;-)

424 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:40:18pm

So that's what his speeches on Iran were--verbose ways to say "Present."

Sigh.

425 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:40:42pm

re: #415 ShanghaiEd

Dave, unfortunately that bad habit didn't start yesterday, or with liberals. Remember Secretary of Education Rod Paige calling the National Education Association "a terrorist group"?

He later apologized, but he wasn't the first or last to use that stupid hyperbole. Totally counter-productive, whoever does it.

Karen Bass will not apologize. In fact, they never apologize.

426 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:41:10pm

re: #424 EmmmieG

So that's what his speeches on Iran were--verbose ways to say "Present."

Sigh.

Just like he's voting "Present" on Honduras.

427 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:19pm

He should have used his "I won" line on Dinnerjacket.

"Hey, Dinnerjacket! I won. Seriously. That's where you have more votes than your opponent, and you don't have to kill anyone to keep office."

(I may not like the fact that he one, but he did. Legitimately.)

428 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:43pm

re: #382 realwest

Well first someone will have to show President Obama where Honduras is on a map.
Then someone will have to explain why the President of Honduras was the subject of a coup: he disregared the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court.
Then someone will have to try to explain to him why Hugo Chavez really isn't such a nice fellow after all!
(word is that Chavez had all of the ballots in the unconstitutional election impounded by HIS troops, Air Force).
And even then, I'm STILL not sure what President Obama's response will be to any invasion by Venezuela.

Obama's media allies are still pushing the misleading "military coup" theme, though there have been some surprising exceptions. The BBC, for example, played it straight and at least one AP story pointed out that the arrest was ordered by a lawful and constitutional process. The media and the *spit* state department know what the facts are and that there has been no unlawful action by the Honduran congress and courts. This kind of deception and propaganda is pretty ironic, not to mention hypocritical, coming as it does from people whose favorite fantasy was too see federal marshals ordered to arrest Bush while he was still in office.

As for the tactical situation, Hugo's regular forces are too far away to intervene directly and they might not try even if they could. What he can do is fly goons, weapons, and propaganda teams into neighboring Nicaragua for infiltration into Honduras.

429 Racer X  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:45pm

Now that we've had a week to look back at it, should Obama have come out more strongly on the crackdown in Iran? He got blamed for "interfering" anyway.

430 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:42:56pm

re: #427 EmmmieG

He should have used his "I won" line on Dinnerjacket.

"Hey, Dinnerjacket! I won. Seriously. That's where you have more votes than your opponent, and you don't have to kill anyone to keep office."

(I may not like the fact that he one, but he did. Legitimately.)

Hey Cynical Conservative. Now it's my turn.

he....won...

431 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:43:03pm

re: #411 Gus 802

Democrats say the darndest things. [shrug]

She's not only a Democrat but speaker of the California Assembly. Additionally she's was co-chair of Barack Obama's California 2008 presidential campaign and a member of "Barack Obama's national African American Leadership Council."

Birds of a feather.

She was also a community organizer. I may never trust community organizers again.

I did like her causes, which appear to be worthy. ". . . crusading for foster care and against the myriad liquor stores in South Los Angeles" according to the intro to the interview.

432 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:43:14pm

re: #427 EmmmieG

He should have used his "I won" line on Dinnerjacket.


I'm surprised he hasn't. That particular line just shows how damned insecure he is.

433 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:43:33pm

re: #419 avanti

My opinion is that the POTUS and the rest of the west can't publicly support a military coup against another Democracy even if we don't like the leader. Privately, the west may not be at all upset.

I guess that for some, it depends on how the coup is brought about. An illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of power by a thug who wants to be president for life is not exactly something the West should ignore with a wink and a nod.

434 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:43:50pm

re: #417 realwest

Well I have doubts about the CIA briefings just cause Panetta - with no background in intelligence work - is in charge of it.
As for the State Department, I wonder if Hillary actually understands the situation well enough to explain it to President Obama.
Either way, as some wag put it upthread, he'll probably just vote present anyway.

Which mean's Panetta is only a "smart" as his briefers in the CIA. He doesn't know what questions to ask to find out how the data is being filtered when it gets to him.

HRC and staff couldn't verify the translation on a gag gift to the Russians. She completely at the mercy of the apparatchiks at foggy bottom.

Both places need a firm hand, that can reign in the respective organizations.

435 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:10pm

re: #401 Dark_Falcon
Hey Dark_Falcon! That's because there are so few "liberals" left in America. The Democratic Party is NOT liberal; they are the Left and most of them the Far Left who, for reasons I can't quite comprehend, really don't LIKE or RESPECT America.
When I think of "liberals" I think of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Scoop Jackson and the like. They could disagree with you but would have intelligent discussions about what and why they disagreed with you.
I've posted this before - still can't find the damn link - but I did read in a few news stories that Nancy Pelosi won't even answer phone calls or e-mails from the House Republican leader. THAT is FAR LEFT behavior.

436 CynicalConservative  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:32pm

re: #430 EmmmieG

Hey Cynical Conservative. Now it's my turn.

he....won...

Grrrr.

Welcome to serfdom?

437 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:44:36pm

re: #419 avanti

re: #396 Syrah


My opinion is that the POTUS and the rest of the west can't publicly support a military coup against another Democracy even if we don't like the leader. Privately, the west may not be at all upset.

Umm...and if that leader continues to undermine the other branches of government (also elected in some cases); such as the congress, military or supreme court?

438 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:15pm

re: #421 realwest

Only out of financial necessity. And yes, I still consider NYC - particularly Manhattan, my hometown.

Hi RW! I too have a soft spot in my heart for Manhattan...but for a very poignant reason. Back a few years (okay, quite a few years), a girl I was very much in love with and I had a wonderful dinner at Windows on the World ...at the top of the WTC (North tower wasn't it?).

It's not there anymore, of course, and I don't know what happened to that lovely young lady.

But I'll always remember that evening.

439 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:19pm

re: #435 realwest

FAR LEFT = Marxist/Leninist ☭ommunism

440 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:31pm

re: #381 Dark_Falcon

Me four. The left is trying to de-legitimize us and our ideas. Let's not let them. Make it your mission this week to educate someone about one of the left's bad ideas.

I have been edumacating our kids, who voted for him, and now? Too late, but they really feel like idiots for falling under the spell of The One. A case of voters' remorse....and it hurts to think what they and our grandkids, the oldest of whom is 9, will face.

Sadly a bad vote cannot be returned like a bad purchase....no warranty.

441 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:45:45pm

re: #431 Silvergirl

She was also a community organizer. I may never trust community organizers again.

I did like her causes, which appear to be worthy. ". . . crusading for foster care and against the myriad liquor stores in South Los Angeles" according to the intro to the interview.

Yeah, the foster care initiatives are a good thing. Never read the legislation -- not that I typically read those things.

I don't know why they say these things and it is as was mentioned hyperbole. In this case it's the liberal version of Godwin's Law.

442 dapperdave  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:46:19pm

re: #425 Gus 802

They don't apologize because they mean it, Paige said something stupid and apologized, you will not see that from these leftist.

443 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:46:59pm

re: #431 Silvergirl

The fact that our current CinC has nothing but 'community organizer' on his resume means I'll never be able to trust a community organizer again.

444 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:01pm

re: #439 Macker

FAR LEFT = Marxist/Leninist ☭ommunism

Hence Mandy name for Obama: FCBBHO.

445 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:09pm

re: #435 realwest

Hey Dark_Falcon! That's because there are so few "liberals" left in America. The Democratic Party is NOT liberal; they are the Left and most of them the Far Left who, for reasons I can't quite comprehend, really don't LIKE or RESPECT America.
When I think of "liberals" I think of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Scoop Jackson and the like. They could disagree with you but would have intelligent discussions about what and why they disagreed with you.
I've posted this before - still can't find the damn link - but I did read in a few news stories that Nancy Pelosi won't even answer phone calls or e-mails from the House Republican leader. THAT is FAR LEFT behavior.

In my mind I have to go back to Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, and Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

446 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:47:20pm

"Micheletti was sworn in at a ceremony inside the Congress building with cheers and chants from fellow legislators of "Honduras! Honduras!" Some coup, I guess they don't make 'em like they used to.

447 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:48:54pm

re: #446 MrPaulRevere

At least one country in Central America is growing up.

448 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:04pm

re: #428 Shiplord Kirel

Obama's media allies are still pushing the misleading "military coup" theme, though there have been some surprising exceptions. The BBC, for example, played it straight and at least one AP story pointed out that the arrest was ordered by a lawful and constitutional process.

I was a bit surprised when I started looking into the story and found that the court had ordered Zelaya removed for violating the Constitution and for firing the head of the army because he would not help Zelaya. This is not a coup and once again, Obama is on the wrong side of the issue.

Perhaps his advisers forgot to tell him that:

A: The Honduran Constitution forbids amendments that would remove term limits.

B: The military is tasked with upholding the Constitution.

449 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:27pm

re: #435 realwest

Hey Dark_Falcon! That's because there are so few "liberals" left in America. The Democratic Party is NOT liberal; they are the Left and most of them the Far Left who, for reasons I can't quite comprehend, really don't LIKE or RESPECT America.
When I think of "liberals" I think of Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Scoop Jackson and the like. They could disagree with you but would have intelligent discussions about what and why they disagreed with you.
I've posted this before - still can't find the damn link - but I did read in a few news stories that Nancy Pelosi won't even answer phone calls or e-mails from the House Republican leader. THAT is FAR LEFT behavior.

I really admired Daniel Patrick Moynihan, God rest his soul. As UN ambassador, he once had the brass big ones to mention that the votes of certain third world delegates could be bought for a few thousand dollars. There was an awful uproar from the usual suspects, who declared the statement demeaning, offensive and undiplomatic (oddly enough, they did not declare it false). Moynihan responded that where he came from, people were taught to call a horse thief a horse thief.

450 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:49:56pm

re: #442 dapperdave

They don't apologize because they mean it, Paige said something stupid and apologized, you will not see that from these leftist.

That's correct. One thing I believe is they not only mean it but they think they are empirically correct. It's a form of liberal moral-dogma. If it's in "the little leftist handbook" then it is irrefutable to the point of being a religion.

Cases in point? Dick Durbin or Janeane Garofalo. There are others. And look at the hell they put Imus through for his comment. After all, aren't the liberals always claiming, "hey, it's just comedy" in the case of Imus.

Hubris to the extreme.

451 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:02pm

re: #448 Wendya

I was a bit surprised when I started looking into the story and found that the court had ordered Zelaya removed for violating the Constitution and for firing the head of the army because he would not help Zelaya. This is not a coup and once again, Obama is on the wrong side of the issue.

Perhaps his advisers forgot to tell him that:

A: The Honduran Constitution forbids amendments that would remove term limits.

B: The military is tasked with upholding the Constitution.

Rule of Law is so darn pesky when there's a community to be organized.

452 Macker  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:23pm

re: #449 Shiplord Kirel

I really admired Daniel Patrick Moynihan, God rest his soul. As UN ambassador, he once had the brass big ones to mention that the votes of certain third world delegates could be bought for a few thousand dollars. There was an awful uproar from the usual suspects, who declared the statement demeaning, offensive and undiplomatic (oddly enough, they did not declare it false). Moynihan responded that where he came from, people were taught to call a horse thief a horse thief.

Daniel Patrick Moynihan, in my book, was an AMERICAN FIRST and a Democrat second.

453 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:50:30pm

re: #433 Syrah

I guess that for some, it depends on how the coup is brought about. An illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of power by a thug who wants to be president for life is not exactly something the West should ignore with a wink and a nod.

No it isn't. But Obama might do that if he was told that the thug is the "progressive". That makes the opposition )though they are the real friends of democracy) the Evil Conservatives. Obama doesn't have the experience or grounding in reality to see the world as it really is.

454 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:51:02pm

re: #425 Gus 802

Karen Bass will not apologize. In fact, they never apologize.

Gus, I don't know anything about Karen Bass or her tendency to apologize. But when you say "they never apologize," do you mean California Democrats or Democrats in general?

455 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:51:22pm
456 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:51:39pm

re: #449 Shiplord Kirel

I really admired Daniel Patrick Moynihan, God rest his soul. As UN ambassador, he once had the brass big ones to mention that the votes of certain third world delegates could be bought for a few thousand dollars. There was an awful uproar from the usual suspects, who declared the statement demeaning, offensive and undiplomatic (oddly enough, they did not declare it false). Moynihan responded that where he came from, people were taught to call a horse thief a horse thief.

He took all kinds of grief for his Moynihan Report on the State of the Black family.
He was prescient with that for sure.

457 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:52:00pm

Narcissist-in-Chief:

Kristol: Barack Obama, Our Personal Trainer

Here’s how President Obama concluded an interview in the Oval Office today:

“But, look, I just think that what we've been doing over the last six months is getting people back into fighting trim. This is a town where there was just a belief that nothing could get done....I'll use just the workout metaphor, and that is, you know, when you start training again and you're pushing your body a little bit harder, sometimes it hurts. But if you keep on at it, after a while your body adjusts. And I think that's what's happening to politics in Washington. Folks have been sitting on the couch for a while, and now they're starting to feel like, hey, you know what, I can run. And that's why we're getting stuff done.”

All hail our new personal trainer! Until he entered the White House, everyone was a mere couch potato.

458 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:52:01pm

re: #446 MrPaulRevere

"Micheletti was sworn in at a ceremony inside the Congress building with cheers and chants from fellow legislators of "Honduras! Honduras!" Some coup, I guess they don't make 'em like they used to.

No doubt a popular coup and likely good news, but it's hard to praise that sort of action publicly. For example, if the Israelis take out Iranian Nukes, the Arabs will piss and moan in public, but give high fives back in the palaces.

459 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:52:02pm

re: #454 ShanghaiEd

Gus, I don't know anything about Karen Bass or her tendency to apologize. But when you say "they never apologize," do you mean California Democrats or Democrats in general?

Specifically I can't say Democrats -- to be fair I guess. But with regards to the what could be called extremist Democrats? No, I don't think they ever do.

460 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:52:44pm

re: #459 Gus 802

Specifically I can't say Democrats -- to be fair I guess. But with regards to the what could be called extremist Democrats? No, I don't think they ever do.

Oops. I'd say PIMF but that never really works. =]

461 [deleted]  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:53:31pm
462 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:54:26pm

It occurs that if stupidity is indeed painless, then few in this administration will ever suffer a moment's discomfort.

463 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:16pm

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan

Narcissist-in-Chief:

Kristol: Barack Obama, Our Personal Trainer

Then let's turn a congressional rebuff on his big priorities into a rat-tail towel across his backside. >:D

464 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:21pm

re: #455 Iron Fist

I think a lot of the Republicans are creationists, who are willing to lie for Jesus, but not fight.

465 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:23pm

re: #433 Syrah
Yep. As Shiplord "corrected" me, this wasn't a coup, the military upheld the Honduran constitution as determined by BOTH the Honduran Supreme Court and the Honduran Congress.
But - and I'm NOT gonna get into Hugo's holding on in Venezuela or how it was accomplished - President Obama needs to understand that saying that America believes in Freedom and Democracy and abiding by the Rule of Law is NOT A BAD THING.
I think he believes that, but has a LOT of trouble saying it (and NO I'm not advocating that the US interven militarily in Iran here either).

466 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:55:49pm

re: #458 avanti

it's hard to praise that sort of action publicly

It's the sort of action that should be praised publicly because it shows the Honduran government operates according to their laws and is not subject to the type of rabble rousing we see in Venezuela. Today's actions shows their government is stable and is able to survive "populist thug" tactics.

467 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:56:05pm

re: #463 Dark_Falcon

Then let's turn a congressional rebuff on his big priorities into a rat-tail towel across his backside. >:D

Snap!

//

468 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:56:36pm

re: #448 Wendya

A: The Honduran Constitution forbids amendments that would remove term limits.

B: The military is tasked with upholding the Constitution.

Pero el constitucion es un documento vivendo!

/But the constitution is a living document!

469 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:56:59pm

re: #434 jcm
"Both places need a firm hand, that can reign in the respective organizations" and frankly I think they've needed that for a LOOONG TIME too. Especially State.

470 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:58:32pm

The Democrats are in for a rude awakening next year....

....if the Republicans can get their shit together.

471 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:59:11pm

ot: Free Yourself - The Untouchables

Youtube Video


a bit of 80's Ska

472 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 9:59:35pm

re: #469 realwest

Oh, hey RW....long time no see.

:')

473 gmsc  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:00:20pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

I like C:

Well, if DOS da way it's gonna be...

///

474 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:00:38pm

re: #459 Gus 802

Specifically I can't say Democrats -- to be fair I guess. But with regards to the what could be called extremist Democrats? No, I don't think they ever do.

Gus, thanks for the clarification. My personal pet peeve is the use of the terms "always" or "never," because when they're applied to such broad topics as national politics, they're (almost) never accurate and (almost) always an exaggeration.

And ironically, those extremists we all decry here often got that way by seeing the world in terms of "always" and "never." Which is how they lost touch with reality. So thanks for humoring me, because I think it's something important enough to keep bringing up.

475 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:01:29pm

re: #469 realwest

"Both places need a firm hand, that can reign in the respective organizations" and frankly I think they've needed that for a LOOONG TIME too. Especially State.

States been a wreak since FDR IMHO.

CIA was fine until the Church Commission, all the airing of dirty laundry turned it into another political organ.

476 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:01:52pm

re: #468 Fenway_Nation

Pero el constitucion es un documento vivendo!

/But the constitution is a living document!

That arguement wouldn't cut ice in this case even with Barney Frank. If the Constitution is entirely clear on a given point, then it must be applied as written, even if we don't like the result. Otherwise there is no rule of law.

477 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:25pm

re: #438 subsailor68
Hi sub! That indeed must have been some evening! I lived in and worked in Manhattan for almost 35 years straight.
I've actually, ya know, lived among them, and New York City folks, although mostly politically stupid, are decent, hard working and NICE people. And I just LOVED the energy of the place. Some folks like a slower, less "pressure cooker" type of atmosphere, and I can understand that and appreciate it, but it really turned me on - hell I'd be energized just walking out the front door of my apartment building!

478 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:02:40pm

re: #456 jcm

He took all kinds of grief for his Moynihan Report on the State of the Black family.
He was prescient with that for sure.

Moynihan was also one of the first really prominent politicians, and almost the only Democrat, to predict the collapse of the Soviet Union many years before it happened. He formulated this idea in the mid-70s when it was virtually heresy across the political spectrum.
He was also the last person to throw a punch on the Senate floor, when he sucker-punched fellow Senator Kit Bond in 1993.

480 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:04:42pm

re: #474 ShanghaiEd

Gus, thanks for the clarification. My personal pet peeve is the use of the terms "always" or "never," because when they're applied to such broad topics as national politics, they're (almost) never accurate and (almost) always an exaggeration.

And ironically, those extremists we all decry here often got that way by seeing the world in terms of "always" and "never." Which is how they lost touch with reality. So thanks for humoring me, because I think it's something important enough to keep bringing up.

OK, so I'm a hypocrite? I attempted to clarify that but remember this. I'm just a 48 year old guy living in an apartment living paycheck to paycheck. I'm not some well off Democrat (or Republican for that matter) with a position in government or that within an NGO. It's just my opinion after working all day on a project for my freelance work while I'm sitting here having a mug of vodka tonic.

That is all.

481 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:05:55pm

re: #478 Shiplord Kirel

Moynihan was also one of the first really prominent politicians, and almost the only Democrat, to predict the collapse of the Soviet Union many years before it happened. He formulated this idea in the mid-70s when it was virtually heresy across the political spectrum.
He was also the last person to throw a punch on the Senate floor, when he sucker-punched fellow Senator Kit Bond in 1993.

I could live with and respected Moynihan, and he was he opposition.

I can barely live with and seldom respect the so called conservatives in DC right now.

482 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:07:14pm

re: #466 Wendya

It's the sort of action that should be praised publicly because it shows the Honduran government operates according to their laws and is not subject to the type of rabble rousing we see in Venezuela. Today's actions shows their government is stable and is able to survive "populist thug" tactics.

Here's my take on the deal again. The entire world has condemned way the bad guy was tossed out, not that the end result might be fine and dandy. The US could hardly take a public stand against the entire Latin American states fear of military coups and expect to work with them in the future.
The world will make a lot of noise, the UN will issues resolutions and the rest, but the end result is a bad guy is gone.

483 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:09:17pm

re: #477 realwest

Hi sub! That indeed must have been some evening! I lived in and worked in Manhattan for almost 35 years straight.
I've actually, ya know, lived among them, and New York City folks, although mostly politically stupid, are decent, hard working and NICE people. And I just LOVED the energy of the place. Some folks like a slower, less "pressure cooker" type of atmosphere, and I can understand that and appreciate it, but it really turned me on - hell I'd be energized just walking out the front door of my apartment building!

Oh yeah! I grew up in upstate NY (just outside Rochester - town called Penfield). We couldn't wait to take trips to the City (yep, capital C for a reason).

I was eighteen when we took a trip to Manhattan. While other kids were hitting the bars (well, it was legal then), I dropped by an antique shop. I bought a British officer's swagger stick (India, Raj) that had a dagger inside. The shop owner wrapped it in paper, and told me to take it right back to the hotel.

Walking back, a NYPD officer walked by me...stopped...turned around and said, "Mind if I ask you what you've got there?"

Being dumb, eighteen, and from upstate, I said, "Sure officer, look! It's a really cool British officer's swagger stick with a dagger inside."

He took a look...looked at me and said, "Well, if you're not a commissioned officer in the British Army, you better get that back to wherever you're staying and put it in the closet until you get ready to go home."

Wouldn't happen today, of course, but that NYPD cop was a pretty good guy!

484 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:09:31pm

re: #482 avanti

Here's my take on the deal again. The entire world has condemned way the bad guy was tossed out, not that the end result might be fine and dandy. The US could hardly take a public stand against the entire Latin American states fear of military coups and expect to work with them in the future.
The world will make a lot of noise, the UN will issues resolutions and the rest, but the end result is a bad guy is gone.

The way he was removed is legal and actually prevented a leftist coup. You can't look at this in terms of how the American system works. They specifically set up their constitution in such a way to give them an immediate and legal remedy for political coup attempts.

485 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:10:18pm

re: #480 Gus 802

OK, so I'm a hypocrite? I attempted to clarify that but remember this. I'm just a 48 year old guy living in an apartment living paycheck to paycheck. I'm not some well off Democrat (or Republican for that matter) with a position in government or that within an NGO. It's just my opinion after working all day on a project for my freelance work while I'm sitting here having a mug of vodka tonic.

That is all.

Whoa. Never said you were a hypocrite, Gus. My point was that we all fall into the habit of hyperbole, and I'm trying to break myself of it as well. I'm in a similar financial situation to you, and a decade older. It sucks.

I certainly apologize for offending you. It was the farthest thing from my intentions.

486 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:10:38pm

re: #457 NJDhockeyfan
Hmm "This is a town where there was just a belief that nothing could get done..." so why did he bring aboard mostly "inside the Beltway" types and Clintonistas to his administration?
I seriously thought he meant it about Hope and Change. I didn't think (and still don't think) he was qualified or experienced enough to be POTUS. But I always thought he'd bring in new minds, fresh voices and all and he didn't even say "present" on that one, he just sorta raised his hand!

487 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:36pm

re: #484 Wendya

The way he was removed is legal and actually prevented a leftist coup. You can't look at this in terms of how the American system works. They specifically set up their constitution in such a way to give them an immediate and legal remedy for political coup attempts.

Looks like it worked too, but Obama will never say anything like that. He likes leftists and doesn't much care how they gain power. He's a true acolyte of Alinsky.

488 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:12:40pm

re: #482 avanti

The Honduran constitution prohibits alteration by referendum, which is what was proposed and attempted-their military did what they swore to do, protect and defend it. And STEPPED BACK--as they should've. This admin was wrong in condemning that procedure,and they damn well were aware of that.

Can't spin around that particular fact.

489 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:14:09pm

I hope this is a false report:

'Kiwi' arrested in Iran?

A leading Twitterer known as "Persian Kiwi" is feared to be have been arrested in Iran.

Unconfirmed reports says Persian Kiwi, also known as PK, has been seized by authorities, while others say his or her Twitter account has been hacked by the Iranian Government.

It is unknown whether PK has any links at all with New Zealand.

Iran has been in turmoil since disputed elections earlier this month allowed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to remain in power. Despite a crackdown on dissent, thousands of people have protested and circumvented the country's strict censorship rules by using Twitter.

PK has been providing an at times minute by minute account from the streets of Tehran.

The "Anonymous Iran" website has started a forum headed "Persian Kiwi Arrested".

"Pls stop the rumours about pk, no one knows anything, they are probably safe and keeping radio silence," said one contribution yesterday.

"PK2 is not real, her writing style does not match up with the old one (too militant to be PK) and she posts with odd keywords. PK always used #IranElection. persiankiwie might be real and I noticed OxG was attempting to get identifying information out of that person, stuff only PK would know. so stay tuned on that one"

490 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:46pm

I wish we could stop living in such interesting times, and just go back to boring and mundane for a while.

Imagine how nice it'd be to adapt to that.

491 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:16:54pm

re: #485 ShanghaiEd

Whoa. Never said you were a hypocrite, Gus. My point was that we all fall into the habit of hyperbole, and I'm trying to break myself of it as well. I'm in a similar financial situation to you, and a decade older. It sucks.

I certainly apologize for offending you. It was the farthest thing from my intentions.

OK, OK. I'm not offended. I was just wondering about the "thanks for humoring me" line. No need to apologize but since you offered I accept. =]

492 avanti  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:18:10pm

re: #488 irongrampa

The Honduran constitution prohibits alteration by referendum, which is what was proposed and attempted-their military did what they swore to do, protect and defend it. And STEPPED BACK--as they should've. This admin was wrong in condemning that procedure,and they damn well were aware of that.

Can't spin around that particular fact.


Ok, let's agree to disagree on this one. I personally feel that if we are publicly supporting the position of the entire world on the issue, I can't assume Obama is off in moon bat territory. Time to go to bed anyway, later Lizards.

493 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:32pm

re: #470 DesertSage
If Cap and Trade get passed, I have NO doubt that the Dems will get their asses handed to 'em whether or not the GOP get's it's act together.
Folks seem to forget that when Bush was POTUS, the Democrats didn't come up with one new idea - NONE - and yet they won total control of the Federal Government by doing nothing more than bitching and moaning, mostly, I'm convinced, because the economy was going down the toilet. If the economy doesn't pick up SOON - and with Cap and Trade it won't pick up at all - I think all the GOP has to do is say NO to these daft spending plans of the Left to win. I'd rather see the GOP come up with lots and lots of positive ideas, TOTALLY INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE LEFT is talking about at the moment, but either way, the Dems will sink surely as the economy will sink.

494 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:19:33pm

I'm going to sign off as well. Goodnight, all.

495 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:20:13pm

re: #472 DesertSage
Sure has been amigo!

496 sngnsgt  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:20:22pm

re: #490 irongrampa

I wish we could stop living in such interesting times, and just go back to boring and mundane for a while.

Imagine how nice it'd be to adapt to that.

It would be nice to just say, "ho-hum" once it a while wouldn't it?

497 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:20:44pm

re: #492 avanti

Done and done.

498 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:20:57pm

re: #487 Dark_Falcon

Looks like it worked too, but Obama will never say anything like that. He likes leftists and doesn't much care how they gain power. He's a true acolyte of Alinsky.

And...

Antonio Gramsci
Karl Marx
Rosa Luxembourg
Friedrich Engels
Fidel Castro
Mao Zedong
Lev Davidovich Trotsky
Vladimir Lenin

499 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:15pm

re: #493 realwest

I respectfully disagree, the left came up with "hope and change".
;)

500 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:21:33pm

re: #496 sngnsgt

Yah, one can always wish.

501 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:22:26pm

re: #494 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to sign off as well. Goodnight, all.

Have a great day tomorrow.

502 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:28pm

Evening folks, did my part to stimulate the economy today (both kids needed bigger clothes and Target has REALLY cute stuff for little girls).

Hope everyone is well!

503 irongrampa  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:23:50pm

Time for the old folk too.

Goodnight, good people.

504 subsailor68  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:24:31pm

Well all, off to bed. The bichon frise we were blessed with when my mom died is pulling at my pant leg. He doesn't seem to like it much when I call him "bitchin' fizzy", but is okay with his new name, Cujo. Hope everyone here has a wonderful evening, and a terrific week!

505 Silvergirl  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:25:38pm

re: #502 srb1976

Evening folks, did my part to stimulate the economy today (both kids needed bigger clothes and Target has REALLY cute stuff for little girls).

Hope everyone is well!

Everyone is tired. Okay, I can't speak for everyone, but this girl is yawning. Good-night all!

Happy economy stimulating, srb1976.

506 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:08pm

re: #490 irongrampa

I miss Bill Clinton. There, I said it.

507 capitalist piglet  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:12pm

re: #504 subsailor68

Well all, off to bed. The bichon frise we were blessed with when my mom died is pulling at my pant leg. He doesn't seem to like it much when I call him "bitchin' fizzy", but is okay with his new name, Cujo. Hope everyone here has a wonderful evening, and a terrific week!

Heh. I have a Welsh Corgi who is hell on wheels. His name is Lou, and I've nicknamed him "Loujo".

Dogs rock. Even the nutty ones.

508 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:49pm

re: #505 Silvergirl

Everyone is tired. Okay, I can't speak for everyone, but this girl is yawning. Good-night all!

Happy economy stimulating, srb1976.

Either I have really bad timing or it was something I said....I show up and everyone leaves = )

509 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:26:50pm

re: #502 srb1976

LOL! My contribution to the economy is being delivered tomorrow, a new washing maching. Dang thing was only 4 years old. They SURE don't make 'em like they used to.
Grumble, grumble, grumble.

510 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:28:48pm

re: #509 Floral Giraffe

Heh....the washing machine was last year, been trying to convince better half that we need to replace the dryer now too (it still works, but now the washer will wash more than the dryer can dry) = )

He's not buying it (neither the bullshit, nor the dryer)

511 realwest  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:29:25pm

Well y'all I gotta go to sleep now too! Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

512 DesertSage  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:30:40pm

re: #493 realwest

If Cap and Trade get passed, I have NO doubt that the Dems will get their asses handed to 'em whether or not the GOP get's it's act together.
Folks seem to forget that when Bush was POTUS, the Democrats didn't come up with one new idea - NONE - and yet they won total control of the Federal Government by doing nothing more than bitching and moaning, mostly, I'm convinced, because the economy was going down the toilet. If the economy doesn't pick up SOON - and with Cap and Trade it won't pick up at all - I think all the GOP has to do is say NO to these daft spending plans of the Left to win. I'd rather see the GOP come up with lots and lots of positive ideas, TOTALLY INDEPENDENT OF WHAT THE LEFT is talking about at the moment, but either way, the Dems will sink surely as the economy will sink.

I don't believe that the economy will get better any time soon. The Democrat cabal that runs Washington is cramming every job killing social program down our throats as fast as they can because they know it will all come crashing down on them next year.

The unemployment rate in your state is almost the same as it is in mine.
The only difference is that your state doesn't have the crushing debt we have.

513 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:30:43pm

re: #511 realwest

Well y'all I gotta go to sleep now too! Hope you all have a great evening/early morning and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Good night, all.

Night RW, sleep well.

514 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:32:15pm

re: #506 MrPaulRevere

I miss Bill Clinton. There, I said it.

LOL I might just have to say that as well.

515 CapitalistTool  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:32:55pm

re: #218 NJDhockeyfan

If you have a spare computer (of hard drive) you can download a beta version of Windows 7 here and try it out. It's good till June 1, 2010.

Thank you VERY MUCH for the link!

I'll try to play around with it at work if i'm allowed to get a key.

My personal situation is that I have a Sony SZ laptop with a 2.4GHz Core 2 Dual and nVidia. I'm planning on upgrading around April, but Sony seems to have switched to ATI which I don't like. If I can't get nVidia from Sony or maybe HP then I'll probably upgrade the drive to an SSD. In either case I'll run Win7 Business.

516 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:35:36pm

re: #506 MrPaulRevere

I miss Bill Clinton. There, I said it.

I can live with that myself. I actually voted for him the first time and gave them 50 bucks. Anything beats the Socialist in Chief we have in there now. Well, almost anything.

517 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:39:13pm

re: #506 MrPaulRevere

I miss Bill Clinton. There, I said it.

I don't.

I don't miss Jimmy Carter either but it sure feels like we're reliving his disastrous Presidency.

518 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:39:21pm

re: #516 Gus 802

That's funny, I was just thinking....Clinton's election was the first time I was old enough to vote for president....and I voted against him, because of Al Gore (and Tipper too)....too funny.

519 teleskiguy  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:40:16pm

As long as it's clean and has a preponderace to computing freely, hellz yeah bitches (A repeat, OY!)!

520 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:41:57pm

re: #516 Gus 802

Bill Clinton had the good fortune of governing in relatively quiet times. He was also a good tactical politician, i.e. a good dancer. The Michael Jackson of politics, if you will.

521 NY Nana  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:42:17pm

re: #509 Floral Giraffe

/Made in China?

Got to go to sleep! Daughter and almost-3 year old bandit grandson are coming back tonight, from Ohio, where they visited friends..son in law was filming this weekend.

I will hit myself on the head, and try to sleep, as I freak out worrying when anyone flies! I am fine when I do, and actually flew back from London, in a blizzard, about 9 years ago...we landed in Chicago, as JFK was shut down. I was as calm as I could be, and some of my cousins were there to take me to their home, to sleep over..but when it is family or friends? I need to be taken off the chandelier, so help me!

On that pleasant thought? I will say g'nite, all! Sweet dreams!

522 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:42:53pm

re: #510 srb1976

Bought the new one, from the same place as the old one. Beat them bloody for a BIG discount. Heh, they really wanted the sale. Now if the 'fridge will just hang on for the rest of the year....

523 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:44:05pm

re: #518 srb1976

That's funny, I was just thinking....Clinton's election was the first time I was old enough to vote for president....and I voted against him, because of Al Gore (and Tipper too)....too funny.

I really like Bob Dole now. By Clinton's second term I couldn't stand him. As for Gore I never liked him including Tipper. There was no way I was going to vote for Gore in 2000 and couldn't stand Lieberman either. Same deal with Kerry who I think is a puke traitor which is why I voted for Bush in 2004. I'm never going to vote for a Democrat again. My plan is to vote Republican regardless of whatever differences I might have in 2010 and 2012.

524 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:44:25pm

re: #521 NY Nana

'Nite Nana. Sweet dreams.

525 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:45:37pm

re: #523 Gus 802

I voted democrat once, I was a boy then. When I became a man I put away childish things.

526 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:45:37pm

re: #521 NY Nana

Nana (hug) on the flying fears you have.
It's really very safe.

General Electric washer. Cost $699 4 years ago, repair would've been $600. New machine $699. Go figure. I was tempted to find a "used appliance" place & see what they had that was older ( and made well) and what their guarantee would be. Decided I needed to do laundry sooner, than later.

527 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:45:40pm

re: #520 MrPaulRevere

Bill Clinton had the good fortune of governing in relatively quiet times. He was also a good tactical politician, i.e. a good dancer. The Michael Jackson of politics, if you will.

True. And by today's "Alinsky Standards" he was a moderate.

528 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:46:21pm

re: #522 Floral Giraffe

Bought the new one, from the same place as the old one. Beat them bloody for a BIG discount. Heh, they really wanted the sale. Now if the 'fridge will just hang on for the rest of the year....

I hope it does...losing the fridge is never any fun....
Both the washer and our fridge crapped out with no warning inside of about 6 months....not a good time

529 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:48:11pm

re: #528 srb1976

I hope it does...losing the fridge is never any fun....
Both the washer and our fridge crapped out with no warning inside of about 6 months....not a good time

I've got a dead dryer, got to rake it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure out what's wrong. Damn thing is 2 years old.

530 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:49:12pm

re: #528 srb1976

I hope it does...losing the fridge is never any fun....
Both the washer and our fridge crapped out with no warning inside of about 6 months....not a good time

Had the fridge and the oven go out last year at about the same time. I opted for repair since we were so broke but even so between the two it was around $500.00.

531 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:49:18pm

re: #529 jcm

I've got a dead dryer, got to rake it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure out what's wrong. Damn thing is 2 years old.

PIMF, take......

532 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:49:26pm

re: #525 MrPaulRevere

I voted democrat once, I was a boy then. When I became a man I put away childish things.

I hear you. I just want to keep my money. Used to be that if you started an IRA in your 20s you'd have close to a million in retirement age. Instead we get FDRs social security in which we pay well over 2 grand per annum. For what? You still have to deal with the bureaucrats over the phone and be subject to the Federal rules. That's how the DNC retirement plan works.

533 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:50:11pm

re: #529 jcm

I've got a dead dryer, got to rake it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure out what's wrong. Damn thing is 2 years old.

The belt probably broke?

534 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:50:42pm

re: #529 jcm

I've got a dead dryer, got to rake it apart tomorrow and see if I can figure out what's wrong. Damn thing is 2 years old.

You know, it used to be that dryers were the least complicated appliance... a motor, a belt and a heating element....not so much anymore

535 andytwi  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:52:14pm

Running Win 7 on two computers since the Release Candidate came out. It's pretty snazzy.. stable, can update drivers without rebooting, and has some really nice shortcuts and features. I've preordered my copy already. :)

536 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:52:22pm

re: #529 jcm

And the worst is? The factory warranty is for one year. This dryer died, withing a week of it's fourth birthday. The machine at Mom's house is at LEAST 15 if not 20 years old. And so much for the environment, all the new stuff comes with things like "done lights" that cannot be disconnected. So you're paying for & using electricity even when the damn thing is off & done. SIGH. Rant off.

537 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:53:45pm

re: #533 Gus 802

The belt probably broke?

Drum is frozen, jammed belt, or jumped a pulley.
re: #534 srb1976

You know, it used to be that dryers were the least complicated appliance... a motor, a belt and a heating element....not so much anymore

Bloody thing has a circuit board with microprocessors, moisture sensors. All kinds of widgets.

538 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:53:56pm

re: #534 srb1976

Front loader here, it was the bearings that went. And, oh, joy, their grease covered the last load of the wash.

539 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:54:42pm

re: #538 Floral Giraffe

Front loader here, it was the bearings that went. And, oh, joy, their grease covered the last load of the wash.

Ouch. That sucks.

540 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:56:05pm

re: #538 Floral Giraffe

Front loader here, it was the bearings that went. And, oh, joy, their grease covered the last load of the wash.

Oh my...that's adding insult to injury isn't it....
We got lucky (I guess) with the washer, I went to start a load of clothes and it just wouldn't go.....I love the new one, but after hearing all the appliance stories here, I wonder about it's life span = )

541 Cygnus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:56:31pm

re: #72 jcm

The real reason the Boeing 787 is delayed, the installed Windows 7.

///

But it goes so nicely with the paint job.

542 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:57:23pm

re: #539 Gus 802

And, I am NOT a fan of public laundromats.
It was something I was so PLEASED about, when I got a real house of my own! Well, new one tomorrow. Wish the presidency was that easy a fix!

543 Syrah  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:57:36pm

re: #532 Gus 802

I hear you. I just want to keep my money. Used to be that if you started an IRA in your 20s you'd have close to a million in retirement age. Instead we get FDRs social security in which we pay well over 2 grand per annum. For what? You still have to deal with the bureaucrats over the phone and be subject to the Federal rules. That's how the DNC retirement plan works.

FDR's Social Security plan was to make sure that a significantly large portion of the voting population was financially dependent on the Democrat Party's good will.

544 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:57:50pm

re: #541 Cygnus

But it goes so nicely with the paint job.

LOL!

545 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:58:47pm

I would recommend to everyone that they get any major home improvements and upgrades done as quickly as possible, if you can do so without going into debt. Even if the predicted hyper- inflation does not materialize, there will no doubt be inflation beyond the norm.

546 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 10:59:19pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

And, I am NOT a fan of public laundromats.
It was something I was so PLEASED about, when I got a real house of my own! Well, new one tomorrow. Wish the presidency was that easy a fix!

I don't think anyone is a fan of laundromats....the last time I used one we still lived in vegas (at least there they have video poker machines) and better half and I were still dating

547 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:00:42pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

And, I am NOT a fan of public laundromats.
It was something I was so PLEASED about, when I got a real house of my own! Well, new one tomorrow. Wish the presidency was that easy a fix!

I have one across the way. Seventy-five cents a load. I don't like public laundromats either. For some reason or another it's like a freak show in one capacity or another.

548 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:01:19pm

re: #546 srb1976

At least you had the poker machines. LOL When I lived in Nevada many years ago it was only the large grocery stores that had them.

549 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:01:37pm

re: #546 srb1976

I don't think anyone is a fan of laundromats....the last time I used one we still lived in vegas (at least there they have video poker machines) and better half and I were still dating

The one thing I like was running all the loads simultaneously.
With 4 kids we have two sets so it doesn't take as much time.

550 aaron's rantblog  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:02:34pm

Waiting for an operating system that "goes to 11".

551 SFGoth  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:03:23pm

re: #448 Wendya


Perhaps his advisers forgot to tell him that:

A: The Honduran Constitution forbids amendments that would remove term limits.

B: The military is tasked with upholding the Constitution.

Bit like Turkey, isn't it? (Just with a lot less at stake.)

552 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:04:50pm

re: #547 Gus 802

LOL! They are all freak shows, aren't they? I used to go to a "nice laundromat" with a fussy neighbor on Sunday mornings. Least freaky time we had found. Fussy neighbor ran an empty load of soap & water before he'd put his clothes in! LOLOL!

553 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:04:53pm

re: #550 aaron's rantblog

Waiting for an operating system that "goes to 11".

Here you go........

554 Cygnus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:05:00pm

re: #544 jcm

LOL!

And now the first flight's been delayed AGAIN! This must be driving the 787 buyers nuts.

555 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:05:03pm

re: #548 Pvt Bin Jammin

At least you had the poker machines. LOL When I lived in Nevada many years ago it was only the large grocery stores that had them.

I was stunned when I first moved there (a dozen or so years ago) there were poker machines in the corner gas station....better half stopped in for more than 1 VERY expensive soda = )

556 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:06:11pm

re: #548 Pvt Bin Jammin

Hi PBJ, they have slots in the fricking airport! I was amazed!

557 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:07:24pm

re: #554 Cygnus

And now the first flight's been delayed AGAIN! This must be driving the 787 buyers nuts.

Quantas cancelled 15 planes, Virgin Atlantic wrote a nasty letter and may cancel. It's already 2 years late, and the airlines have to keep older airframes flying they planned to retire eating up scarce money.

It's not good, rumors up at Lazy B are it may be several more months.

558 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:07:39pm

re: #556 Floral Giraffe

Hi PBJ, they have slots in the fricking airport! I was amazed!

Don't laugh...while I was living there some lady won the Megabucks on her way out of town (rumor has it she extended her stay)

559 Wendya  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:07:50pm

re: #551 SFGoth

Bit like Turkey, isn't it? (Just with a lot less at stake.)

You'd think that Obama would actually study Honduran law before prattling on about upholding the sanctity of the rule of law.

His reaction is an embarrassment. It's no wonder Iran and NK feel so confident slapping him around.

560 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:08:16pm

re: #555 srb1976

I'll bet you were shocked. I grew up in northern Nevada many moons ago. We got them into the Safeway store by the time I was in high school IIRC. The thing that kind of always blew my mind was that the Mormon Church apparently owns a large percentage of Safeway.

561 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:08:40pm

re: #557 jcm

That's not really a surprise is it....can anyone remember the last time Boeing got a project out on time?

562 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:09:58pm

re: #552 Floral Giraffe

LOL! They are all freak shows, aren't they? I used to go to a "nice laundromat" with a fussy neighbor on Sunday mornings. Least freaky time we had found. Fussy neighbor ran an empty load of soap & water before he'd put his clothes in! LOLOL!

True! Last one I went to there was some guy wearing a bra under his shirt. Then you get the staring. For some strange reason people that go to laundromats a lot like to stare.

Maybe there's a normal laundromat out there but I have yet to find one.

563 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:10:24pm

re: #561 srb1976

That's not really a surprise is it....can anyone remember the last time Boeing got a project out on time?

It's been awhile, I don't think anything has been this delayed. Part of the cost of outsourcing manufacturing and leaving only the final assembly at Everett. Some of the fuselage section were off by quite a bit.

564 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:10:26pm

re: #560 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'll bet you were shocked. I grew up in northern Nevada many moons ago. We got them into the Safeway store by the time I was in high school IIRC. The thing that kind of always blew my mind was that the Mormon Church apparently owns a large percentage of Safeway.

I dont' know about the Mormon church, but all the mormon folks I've ever met are very nice, very pragmatic people (it makes them lots of money, and they don't have to gamble...so no problem) but like I said, I know very little about the inner workings of the church

565 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:11:31pm

re: #556 Floral Giraffe

Hi PBJ, they have slots in the fricking airport! I was amazed!

That's the only place I gambled on my little vacation in May. LOL Didn't win anything this time but a few years back I hit $50.00 after two pulls on a quarter machine right before our plane loaded. They didn't have the coupons then. I just threw all those quarters in my purse. Not a big win but it sure was fun.

566 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:11:33pm

re: #547 Gus 802

A freak show indeed. When I used them, there was always some stranger who would try to strike up a conversation. I viewed using laundromats as part of paying ones dues before you entered the homeowner class.

567 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:12:11pm

re: #563 jcm

It's been awhile, I don't think anything has been this delayed. Part of the cost of outsourcing manufacturing and leaving only the final assembly at Everett. Some of the fuselage section were off by quite a bit.

The gigantic plant they built for the Delta V project is not far from here, and my understanding is that that one was so delayed that they nearly had the contract pulled out from under them.....course, that was just the local rumor

568 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:13:33pm

Ore. man upset by McDonald's order calls 911 repeatedly

According to a tape of the 911 calls released by Clackamas County 911, a man initially told a dispatcher that he was at the McDonald's near the intersection of Southeast Sunnyside Road and Southeast 82nd Avenue and needed help. The man said he had paid $10 in the drive-thru but only received a single burger and a fry before he was told to pull around.

"Sir, this is not a police matter," the dispatcher told him. "You need to take it up with the manager of the McDonald's."

But a person who identified himself as Martin called back demanding that dispatchers send a police officer to the scene and threatening to sue.

"This is a 911 emergency," the person said. "I got robbed for eight dollars."

"Sir, 911 is life-and-death only," the dispatcher said. "If you do continue calling 911 you will be arrested for misuse."

"Well, arrest me at (expletive) 82nd and Sunnyside Road," the caller responded. "Please send a cop right now. I swear to God all my life..."

569 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:14:23pm

re: #564 srb1976

I dont' know about the Mormon church, but all the mormon folks I've ever met are very nice, very pragmatic people (it makes them lots of money, and they don't have to gamble...so no problem) but like I said, I know very little about the inner workings of the church

I love the Mormons, grew up with many of them and like you said, they don't drink or gamble. I should have shut my mouth without a link. Sorry.

570 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:14:31pm

re: #567 srb1976

The gigantic plant they built for the Delta V project is not far from here, and my understanding is that that one was so delayed that they nearly had the contract pulled out from under them.....course, that was just the local rumor

Big projects have a big sucker factor. Once you get sucked in so far, it's harder and hard to get out, so much has already been sunk into it.

571 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:14:57pm

re: #568 jcm

Ore. man upset by McDonald's order calls 911 repeatedly

He should get an attorney...

John Edwards.

572 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:15:53pm

re: #550 aaron's rantblog

Waiting for an operating system that "goes to 11".

aaron, why is access to your blog restricted? I'm just asking, I love to read.

573 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:16:21pm

re: #571 Gus 802

He should get an attorney...

John Edwards.

Channeling the unbought burger!

574 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:16:53pm

re: #573 jcm

Channeling the unbought burger!

Yep.

/Coffee is hot.

575 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:17:40pm

re: #569 Pvt Bin Jammin

I love the Mormons, grew up with many of them and like you said, they don't drink or gamble. I should have shut my mouth without a link. Sorry.


No big deal....the only 2 I know well are my boss, and an old friend of the family (someone I've known since I was too young to say his name right)
and our friend was a late convert.... I will say that Provo,Utah is one of the nicest places to get stranded with a flat tire that I have ever seen....People jumped at the chance to give us a hand, even on sunday morning = )

576 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:18:15pm

re: #566 MrPaulRevere

Well, after the time I got chased by a drunk reading the Bible at me, I sat in the car & waited for the wash to get done. With the windows closed! :)

577 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:18:25pm

re: #574 Gus 802

Yep.

/Coffee is hot.

I should be rich, I spill coffee and call my self names instead of an attorney.

578 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:18:57pm

re: #576 Floral Giraffe

Well, after the time I got chased by a drunk reading the Bible at me, I sat in the car & waited for the wash to get done. With the windows closed! :)

You'll burn in hell, you know that?

/////////// ;-P

579 freetoken  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:19:40pm

re: #572 MrPaulRevere

I wondered too, so I did a google search and could only find two links to aarons.cc . Likely the domain name is used only for email.

580 sngnsgt  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:20:28pm

re: #568 jcm

He obviously didn't order a "Happy Meal."

581 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:21:17pm

re: #577 jcm

I should be rich, I spill coffee and call my self names instead of an attorney.

Same here. Did that on the Garden State Parkway once. Damn it was hot. My fault though since I put it in the wrong place.

Urban liberal would sue.

582 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:22:53pm

re: #580 sngnsgt

He obviously didn't order a "Happy Meal."

ROFL!

He was Hamburguled!

583 srb1976  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:23:32pm

Ok folks, hot tub is calling....Have great night!

584 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:23:40pm

re: #575 srb1976

Thanks. I've not been to Provo but I have heard similar things about that city.
My dear high school friend lives in St. George, which I hear is nice too. She is an amazing woman..... 61 years old with M.S. and she and her husband did a mission to Africa in 2007.

585 mrshankly01  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:24:33pm

re: #580 sngnsgt

I feel for the dispatcher.

My first and last iPhone post. Too slow. night all.

586 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:24:41pm

re: #583 srb1976

Ok folks, hot tub is calling....Have great night!

Bye SRB.

587 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:25:09pm

re: #583 srb1976

Ok folks, hot tub is calling....Have great night!

Sweet dreams.

588 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:25:21pm

re: #576 Floral Giraffe

Its funny really, I view the time I spent in laundromats, and the time I spent in the lower class generally speaking with a great deal of nostalgia. I'm glad I went through it, it was a tremendous character building experience. But I would never, ever, want to go through it again.

589 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:26:10pm

OT, but since we've gone to laundromats from Windows 7, it's not THAT much of a stretch...
I tried to load an avatar today, read the links provided by the Lizards who teased me yesterday. Tried to load from the c drive, 13255 byte file, from a Canon jpeg, which LGF doesn't like Canon files, so saved & renamed. No go. Then I tried from Fliker, different file, still a jpeg, but no go. Any ideas?
I don't want to bug Charles over an avatar.

590 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:27:03pm

re: #588 MrPaulRevere

Its funny really, I view the time I spent in laundromats, and the time I spent in the lower class generally speaking with a great deal of nostalgia. I'm glad I went through it, it was a tremendous character building experience. But I would never, ever, want to go through it again.

All my time in Laundromats I never saw anyone else reading the Federalist Papers, Common Sense or Wealth of Nations.

Maybe I was the weird one...........

591 Fenway_Nation  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:28:00pm

re: #583 srb1976

Weet dreams!

592 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:28:40pm

re: #590 jcm

LOL! Dad always used to ask if anyone else was washing Polo at the laundromat.

593 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:29:01pm

re: #589 Floral Giraffe

OT, but since we've gone to laundromats from Windows 7, it's not THAT much of a stretch...
I tried to load an avatar today, read the links provided by the Lizards who teased me yesterday. Tried to load from the c drive, 13255 byte file, from a Canon jpeg, which LGF doesn't like Canon files, so saved & renamed. No go. Then I tried from Fliker, different file, still a jpeg, but no go. Any ideas?
I don't want to bug Charles over an avatar.

Does it fail to upload?

If it uploads, do you save changes down at the bottom of the account page?

594 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:29:30pm

re: #588 MrPaulRevere

Its funny really, I view the time I spent in laundromats, and the time I spent in the lower class generally speaking with a great deal of nostalgia. I'm glad I went through it, it was a tremendous character building experience. But I would never, ever, want to go through it again.

You ever notice how when you're trying to exit a gas station or more or less a retail curb cut that the lower classes tend to never stop short and let you exit? I notice that in the low life neighborhoods. You have to sit their and wait.

595 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:29:57pm

re: #593 jcm

I get a "file not found" message on both.

596 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:30:07pm

There that is.

597 SixDegrees  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:30:49pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Microsoft can't endure another disastrous OS release. I hope they get it right this time.

How do you figure? They've got something like 90% market share. It isn't like even the most disastrous flop is going to send all those users over to the Mac or Linux. Another screwup will just produce...more of the same - a whole lot of people pissed off at Microsoft. Nothing will change, in other words.

598 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:31:24pm

re: #589 Floral Giraffe

OT, but since we've gone to laundromats from Windows 7, it's not THAT much of a stretch...
I tried to load an avatar today, read the links provided by the Lizards who teased me yesterday. Tried to load from the c drive, 13255 byte file, from a Canon jpeg, which LGF doesn't like Canon files, so saved & renamed. No go. Then I tried from Fliker, different file, still a jpeg, but no go. Any ideas?
I don't want to bug Charles over an avatar.

OMG, I wish I could remember. I was really lame about it. Somebody had to send me to an avatar site & what I picked was too big. I finally got it downsized but then it took me about three times to get it to take. I'm scared to change it now. LOL

That was really a cute little giraffe that somebody left here for you yesterday.

599 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:32:12pm

re: #594 Gus 802

You ever notice how when you're trying to exit a gas station or more or less a retail curb cut that the lower classes tend to never stop short and let you exit? I notice that in the low life neighborhoods. You have to sit their and wait.

Seattle still has polite traffic culture, much less than it used to be.
If a line of cars are exiting a parking lot, folks on the road will each let one car from the parking lot in, in front of them.

600 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:33:26pm

re: #588 MrPaulRevere

Its funny really, I view the time I spent in laundromats, and the time I spent in the lower class generally speaking with a great deal of nostalgia. I'm glad I went through it, it was a tremendous character building experience. But I would never, ever, want to go through it again.

It's not strange at all. It's easy to look back on that time, once one is safely out of it, with nostalgia. Especially easy to view it with nostalgia when it's also looking back at a time when we were younger, too.
But as you say, no-one having lived that life willingly wants to go back to it.

I think it's an important experience to have had. I know for myself it continues to influence how I see the world and others around me, and it makes me very grateful for what I have.

601 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:34:22pm

re: #595 Floral Giraffe

I get a "file not found" message on both.

What is the three letter extension?

.jpg?

When you hit the browse button to locate the file it shows up fine?

Which program did you use to edit the image?

602 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:35:27pm

re: #599 jcm

Seattle still has polite traffic culture, much less than it used to be.
If a line of cars are exiting a parking lot, folks on the road will each let one car from the parking lot in, in front of them.

Nice. My theory is one per one. One passes you let the other go. When you get to an "entering traffic" location you hit the left lane. You see a cop that pulled someone over, you also merge left. Guess some people never got the memo. ;)

603 mrshankly01  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:36:06pm

re: #591 Fenway_Nation

"Rock of the Marne" Hooah. Okay, that was my last. Dog face soldier, 2002-2008.

604 SixDegrees  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:38:26pm

Speaking of Microsoft - has anyone else found their Bing! advertisements incredibly annoying? These are the ones where someone asks another person a simple question, and the person responds with a bunch of meaningless, unrelated spew. This happens over and over again, far beyond the point where I've started screaming "OK, I get it already! Now shut up!" at the television.

The problem I have, beyond the incredibly awful presentation, is that the "problem" they're trying to portray simply doesn't exist, in my experience. They're saying that when you use other search engines, they hand you back a pile of unusable junk unrelated to your question, which is about as far from the truth as you can get. This is obviously a campaign designed by a marketing department that has created a problem out of thin air where none exists.

The ads also spend 99% of their time attacking other search engines, with a single vague hint about why tacked on at the end - "Bing! is a decision engine!" What the hell is that? When I went to the Bing! website, it turned out that it works just like any other search engine - there's nothing to distinguish it from, say, Google other than the graphics in play. In fact, two test cases I threw at it produced exactly the same list of answers as Google did - an indication that Bing! is probably tapping in to Google for at least some of it's results, as they haven't had time yet to build the extensive server farms and databases that make a large search engine workable.

In my opinion, Bing! will fail epically. And it's ad campaign certainly won't help it at all. It gives me no reason to use the product.

605 jcm  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:38:55pm

It's late gotta' go.

Night Honcos!

606 MrPaulRevere  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:39:30pm

re: #594 Gus 802

Absolutely, a total lack of manners and courtesy in those neighborhoods. I'm really blessed. I live in a working class/middle class neighborhood where we all get along and look out for each other. America, yeah baby!

607 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:39:55pm

re: #601 jcm

First of all, thank you for helping me.
File extension on C drive was .jpeg, Here's the linky for the one that got sent to me. It's a jpeg, but I forgot to check the size of it.
Image: 2526091504_ebc0071e54.jpg

I wondered if the avatar needed to be web hosted, and not from my C drive, but since it uploaded, I thought a C drive would be OK.

608 Gus  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:41:05pm

re: #605 jcm

It's late gotta' go.

Night Honcos!

Bye JCM.

609 ShanghaiEd  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:49:37pm

re: #604 SixDegrees

Amen to that. Another thing that bothers me about Bing is that it seems to presume you want to find a business to buy something from. I occasionally do, but 90 percent of my Internet use is for news and self-education, and I haven't seen a single way Bing outdoes, or even matches, Google in that regard.

Bing thinks I'm a consumer, period. Wrong. The whole concept rubs me the wrong way.

610 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jun 28, 2009 11:52:26pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

I'm from the 'burbs...

611 [deleted]  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 12:05:30am
612 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:03:58am
Windows 7 has been getting good reviews in tech media; Microsoft may have done it right this time.

So did Vista. The tech press couldn't get enough of that heavenly Microsoft goodness. I am literally "not buying it" until it's about two years old, SP1,2,and 3 have been released, and a generation of happy users assure me that I won't be sacrificing data and digital property both to another hastily prepared but well-received bit of full-priced public beta test software.

Those SOBs in Redmond aren't getting another dime until using their OS isn't an exercise in futility, and while I'm at it, I hate HATE hate their misbegotten "we will change things and you will follow" Office "upgrade".

613 haakondahl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:06:43am

re: #429 Racer X

Now that we've had a week to look back at it, should Obama have come out more strongly on the crackdown in Iran? He got blamed for "interfering" anyway.

It certainly didn't take a week to arrive at that conclusion. I was there with both feet on day one.

614 Alberta Oil Peon  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 2:01:27am

re: #382 realwest

Well first someone will have to show President Obama where Honduras is on a map.
Then someone will have to explain why the President of Honduras was the subject of a coup: he disregared the Honduran Congress and the Honduran Supreme Court.
Then someone will have to try to explain to him why Hugo Chavez really isn't such a nice fellow after all!
(word is that Chavez had all of the ballots in the unconstitutional election impounded by HIS troops, Air Force).
And even then, I'm STILL not sure what President Obama's response will be to any invasion by Venezuela.

How exactly would Venezuela invade Honduras? They aren't contiguous; far from it. Does Venezuela really have the naval or air power necessary to invade in force? I could see them making mischief alright, but I think a full-on invasion is beyond their military capabilities.

615 Annar  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 4:33:50am

Appropriate music for Windows users where all paying users are beta testers. I used to program commercial applications for Windows but never bought such a machine for myself. Windows users eventually find out how much something really costs (in lost time and effort) when its cheap, a point to remember in the health care debate.

616 RexMundi  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 4:59:14am

Don't worry, Charles, Microsoft already makes us PC users feel pretty unloved.

617 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 6:41:12am

I'm already running RC and pre-RTM versions of Windows 7 (I'm posting this from a machine running pre-RC Build 7057), and I've been pretty pleased with it. MS has "componentized" the OS this time, which means it doesn't load so much stuff at a time, which makes it run faster and more efficiently. I know someone that's running it on a 1.7GHz P4 desktop (six-year-old machine), and he reports that it runs very well. One of the big improvements over Vista is that it runs much better than Vista on older hardware, and MS even claims that it runs better than XP on some older stuff.

618 MadJadBad  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:12:49am

$200 for Windows 7 Home Premium.
I need a $200 reason to switch from XP to 7.

619 bill shears  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:26:07am

In the Amazon comparison chart, that "Run many existing Windows XP...applications..." sounds ominous.

Many is not as close to all as we gamers like.

620 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 7:49:01am

Since "Ultimate" means "final," I wonder if this is Bill Gates' way of trying to speed up the clock till the End Times. I mean, if anyone would have the Antichrist on speed-dial, Gates would.

//

P.S. Has anyone in the thread suggested "WinWOW!" as an alternate name?

621 Lanzman  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:33:03am

WinDoze . . . ugh. Ya can't polish a turd, kids.

622 Ford Prefect  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:33:12am

re: #10 Charles

Sort of like the globular clusters and comment #17?

623 NY Nana  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:36:56am

Madoff just was sentenced to 150 years!

Not long enough.

624 danrudy  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 9:30:38am

Have been using Windows 7 as Beta for 2 months.
My review:

Excellent and stable operating system.
It is what Vista should have been.
Nice features and is not a memory hog.
Visually very nice interface.

I dont find the need to play on my wifes iMac anymore.


One can upgrade directly from XP and skip the Vista if you wish.

625 Stevie the K  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:01:12pm

re: #10 Charles

I still do.

cue: Jethro Tull "Livin' in the Past"

626 Stevie the K  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:02:08pm

re: #15 CynicalConservative

Sort of like Star Trek movies

627 marsl  Mon, Jun 29, 2009 1:40:22pm

I have installed Windows 7 in both my computers. Microsoft decided to let a free RC version to be downloaded.... and I just got it.

My analysis: a very good one. Both my computers are more faster with W7 than WVista or WXP. And in my notebook, I had a problem with the wireless connection. Neither XP or Vista did a good job to solve it. Windows 7 solved it right at the first time.

And I have a dual-boot system in my desktop pc. Windows 7 64 bits and Linux 64 bits. Very good.

628 crimeshark  Tue, Jun 30, 2009 6:03:36am

Well, let's see now. I have 3 Dells- a laptop, an XPS all-in-one and and a Studio. EVERY one has had problem caused by the OS. The XPS had the "black screen" thing, which the tools at MS still can't explain. The Studio is unstable and the Internet constantly crashes. The browser has been stripped and re-loaded over and over. The laptop wouldn't download updates to the Norton. For a year. The techs at Dell had to fix it over and over. The XPS crashed two days ago and I have the Geek Squad folks coming over to fix it. This after I spent two hours on the phone with a Dell rep, ran a system restore- which didn't work- and finally re-loaded Vista after saving the pics and Word files to a flash drive in safe mode.

Vista should come with a warning label.


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