Overnight Open Thread
Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
— Harry Warner
Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
— Harry Warner
1 | jcm Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:14:44pm |
The Overnight Open Thread...
That means I'm up past my bedtime.
Night Honcos!
4 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:16:33pm |
grateful dead or allman brothers while i watch the meteor shower?
y'all choose
5 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:16:40pm |
I've just had an "Ah HA!" moment insight about the whole health care thing. Maybe it's not an insight at all, I dunno -- maybe everyone already realizes it. But all I can say it that it just now occurred to me.
The goal of Obama's health care plan is not to provide coverage for everyone; no, the goal is to redistribute wealth. Obama and the Democrats are saying that tax increases on well-off Americans might be an unavoidable and regretful side-effect of this necessary bill. But I see now that the tax increases are the original goal -- whereas the health care universal coverage simply serves as a justification for taking away well-off people's money and giving it to the less well-off.
The reason this occurred to me was that I got to remembering a dot-com era experience I had. In the late '90s, I was sort of involved in a startup that was making a Web app that required a lot of bits to be transferred to the user. This was "a lot of" in late '90s terms -- an era when most people still had dial-up connections, and broadband was about 5% of the market.
A serious question arose: If our app requires a lot of bits to be transferred, and only 5% of the population has broadband, then really our app can only be used by 5% of computer users, which was really limiting. How was it ever going to get popular with such a small potential user base?
Well, the "money guy" turned this problem completely upside-down, and in his crazed money-guy salesman persona, he rephrased the problem like so when trying to pitch investors:
"The great thing about our product is that it drives the need for broadband. People will have to get broadband in order to use our product. And since our product will be so great, everyone's going to want to use it! But here's how it benefits you, the venture capitalist investor: not only will you make money on this one particular app, but its very existence will drive the need for everyone to get broadband, and since some of your other tech investments also rely on a wide broadband user base, we'll be growing the market share for your other investments as well!"
He was absolutely convinced this was a great pitch, so much so that he seemed to believe the schpiel himself. However, most of the rest of us were very skeptical. It's one thing to be "counterintuitive," and quite another to base your entire business model on re-casting an intractable problem as instead a blessing.
Needless to say, the whole startup -- like most startups -- failed to achieve liftoff, and mostly crashed and burned. (Though it continues to live on in various altered forms -- but that's a different story.)
Anyway. I just now suddenly saw the parallel between our cockamamie fundraising strategy and the actual purpose of the health care plan. Just as our app was going to "drive the need" for mass adoption of broadband, funding universal health care will "drive the need" for tax increases.
In the exact same way that our money guy misrepresented the issue by looking at it from the opposite angle, Obama is misrepresenting his true goal by presenting it to us backwards.
Hence, our flawed product was explained thusly: "The goal is to give people a motivation to buy broadband Internet service. Right? And the way to do that is create applications that can only be used with broadband! So, to solve this problem, we've create a broadband-only app! Brilliant!" Of course the real goal was to trick investors into giving us money.
Similarly, Obama is saying, "The goal is to give everybody health care coverage. Yes, there is an unwanted side effect of needing to raise taxes to pay for it, but the goal is so excellent that we can endure this minor and regretful side issue." Of course the real goal is to trick taxpayers into raising their own taxes; getting us into massive debt to fund a boondoggle health care scheme is just a way to justify the true original goal, which is to redistribute wealth by taxing it the top half of the country and essentially giving it to the bottom half in the form of free medical care.
6 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:16:56pm |
Good night, Lizards! Stay Scaly! Travelling, tomorrow. Remember when it was fun & glamorous? Them days is long gone!
8 | Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:18:13pm |
9 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:18:27pm |
11 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:19:44pm |
re: #2 coldwarrior
fine
You keep saying that, but somehow I get the impression that something isn't "fine".
Sort of like when I ask you "What's wrong", and you respond with "NOTHING!", then storm off to another room.
12 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:19:58pm |
13 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:19:59pm |
re: #5 zombie
Having just spent a week, in your stomping grounds of SF general area, I tip my hat in your general direction. I could NOT live here. It's beautiful, but , DANG! the people. Keep up the good work, Zombie, and please receive my thanks for what you do.
14 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:20:14pm |
15 | Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:21:10pm |
re: #6 Floral Giraffe
Good night, Lizards! Stay Scaly! Travelling, tomorrow. Remember when it was fun & glamorous? Them days is long gone!
Sweet dreams & have a safe trip home.
16 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:21:35pm |
re: #12 Noam Sayin'
One of the legacy brews - Hamm's.
HAMMS? wow, i have some export and some pigs eye in the fridge...along with others
17 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:22:00pm |
re: #7 Noam Sayin'
I think I might have another beer.
There's some cold ones, way down here in the bottom.
18 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:22:23pm |
Heh - this is being added to continuously:
OBAMA IS LITERALLY HITLER
19 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:22:28pm |
re: #11 Slumbering Behemoth
You keep saying that, but somehow I get the impression that something isn't "fine".
Sort of like when I ask you "What's wrong", and you respond with "NOTHING!", then storm off to another room.
LOL
wanna shot?
20 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:23:12pm |
re: #13 Floral Giraffe
SF is fantastic. monterey is my weakness
21 | calcajun Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:24:45pm |
re: #5 zombie
There is the other issue -- a consolidation of power. It will undermine the insurance industry and make more people dependent on the government.
22 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:25:16pm |
re: #18 Jimmah
Heh - this is being added to continuously:
OBAMA IS LITERALLY HITLER
Bookmarked!
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HUNG OUT WITH PINKO COMMIES? HITLER!
Love. It!
24 | pat Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:25:43pm |
re: #5 zombie
Cap & Tax Redux. Destroy America. All about Obama.
25 | calcajun Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:26:01pm |
re: #22 iceweasel
Nah- he only hung with them after he hung them.
26 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:26:06pm |
re: #16 coldwarrior
Do yourself a favor, my friend, and pour the Pig's Eye down the sink - the neighbor's if you can swing such a maneuver. Better yet, walk a block away and pour it in the storm drain. The raccoons might appreciate it.
Out of the bottle, it's not a horrible beer. In the can, it's an offense to nature.
28 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:27:07pm |
re: #5 zombie
The 'money man' didn't understand the #1 rule of marketing - make your product accessible.
29 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:27:07pm |
re: #26 Noam Sayin'
Do yourself a favor, my friend, and pour the Pig's Eye down the sink - the neighbor's if you can swing such a maneuver. Better yet, walk a block away and pour it in the storm drain. The raccoons might appreciate it.
Out of the bottle, it's not a horrible beer. In the can, it's an offense to nature.
GOSPEL! i had pigs eye in MN (camp ripley) my goodness the hangover.
30 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:27:20pm |
re: #22 iceweasel
Bookmarked!
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HUNG OUT WITH PINKO COMMIES? HITLER!
Love. It!
It's definitely a keeper.
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD LAWS? HITLER!
31 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:28:12pm |
re: #5 zombie
There was a lot of weight behind that "spread the wealth around" slip made to the plumber. Much was made of it, but it still didn't sink in.
32 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:28:27pm |
re: #19 coldwarrior
Thanks, I gotta beer. Cheers!
Screw it, I'll take the shot as well. Hangover FTW!
33 | Sharmuta Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:28:28pm |
re: #10 coldwarrior
nice reasoning, i like it.
Yeah- but you also don't see the difference between LGF and the stalker blog, so...
34 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:28:31pm |
re: #13 Floral Giraffe
Having just spent a week, in your stomping grounds of SF general area, I tip my hat in your general direction. I could NOT live here. It's beautiful, but , DANG! the people. Keep up the good work, Zombie, and please receive my thanks for what you do.
Most appreciated.
35 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:29:19pm |
i'm likin' the dragon porter and the flying fish belgian dubbel, and some great lakes edmund fitzgerald
36 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:29:39pm |
re: #30 Jimmah
It's definitely a keeper.
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD LAWS? HITLER!
In hysterics. I think I have my all purpose snarky comeback site now...
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE READ THE NEWSPAPER? HITLER!
38 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:29:57pm |
re: #32 Slumbering Behemoth
Thanks, I gotta beer. Cheers!
Screw it, I'll take the shot as well. Hangover FTW!
one iced tito's vodka...enjoy
39 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:29:57pm |
re: #5 zombie
The Dot Com boom was loaded with really asinine ideas.
That said, I'm sure our resident promoters/apologists for increasing taxation and government control over our private business will be here to riddle your epiphany with holes as with a Tommy Gun eventually.
40 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:30:32pm |
41 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:30:49pm |
Not to toot my own horn too loudly (but better than horning my own toot), but I am currently 648 ups to 68 downs on today's (yesterday's) Comicle article on the Paris burquini flap. [Link: www.sfgate.com...]
The larger point is, obviously even non-Lizards are recognizing the elephant shit in the closet. That's a good sign.
42 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:31:13pm |
re: #29 coldwarrior
GOSPEL! i had pigs eye in MN (camp ripley) my goodness the hangover.
Now you know why we could never ship it out of state - it defied environmental regulations.
Thanks for your service, soldier. I haven't seen you around, but I noticed you're a lizard of long standing.
43 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:31:13pm |
re: #33 Sharmuta
Yeah- but you also don't see the difference between LGF and the stalker blog, so...
i do. dont be an ass.
45 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:32:42pm |
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD A SCIENCE ADVISOR? HITLER!
47 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:33:43pm |
re: #42 Noam Sayin'
i read this site alot, post a few.
i did enjoy that camp riple is where the army has its main mosquito research department. i was there in may...the bugs. OH MY GOD THE BUGS
48 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:34:23pm |
49 | HelloDare Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:34:28pm |
Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?
I don't want to hear Sean Penn and Danny Glover talk.
50 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:34:29pm |
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE TOOK OVER POWER DUE TO A LEADER WHO STARTED A WAR THEY COULD NOT WIN THAT LEAD THE COUNTRY INTO FISCAL ISNTABILITY AND RESULTED IN FAVORABLE CONDITIONS TO THEIR RISE TO POWER? HITLER!
51 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:34:50pm |
re: #46 Sharmuta
Know who else wrote a book? Hitler.
I did. Hasn't been published though. It's a semi-autobiographical account of my time as a night auditor in a San Francisco bed & breakfast.
52 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:35:35pm |
re: #50 iceweasel
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE TOOK OVER POWER DUE TO A LEADER WHO STARTED A WAR THEY COULD NOT WIN THAT LEAD THE COUNTRY INTO FISCAL ISNTABILITY AND RESULTED IN FAVORABLE CONDITIONS TO THEIR RISE TO POWER? HITLER!
That is utterly inaccurate, and using all caps doesn't make it so.
55 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:37:32pm |
re: #28 Noam Sayin'
The 'money man' didn't understand the #1 rule of marketing - make your product accessible.
It wasn't the money guy's fault -- he didn't design the product. He was simply responsible for marketing it to investors. In a sense, he did the best he could, given the terrible bind we placed him in by designing a crap product.
56 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:37:40pm |
re: #52 SFGoth
That is utterly inaccurate, and using all caps doesn't make it so.
It's a quote from here.
57 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:37:42pm |
re: #47 coldwarrior
Something about that part of Minnesota. It's not just the mosquitoes or the horse flies or the deer flies - it's that they're all competing for the same blood supply. It's an aggressive ecosystem.
58 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:37:51pm |
re: #50 iceweasel
YOU KNOW WHO ELSE TOOK OVER POWER DUE TO A LEADER WHO STARTED A WAR THEY COULD NOT WIN THAT LEAD THE COUNTRY INTO FISCAL ISNTABILITY AND RESULTED IN FAVORABLE CONDITIONS TO THEIR RISE TO POWER? HITLER!
nah, the recession is from the greed of the american people. yer house aint worth what ya mortgaged it for! there, I said it, MS, econ, PITT.
59 | freetoken Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:38:34pm |
re: #53 blindy
Yes, the YoY increase of almost $300 billion by China ought to turn heads.
Essentially, China (and to a lesser extent Japan) have been financing our debt.
61 | HelloDare Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:39:02pm |
re: #5 zombie
Obama wants to spread the wealth. He thought Healthcare was one good way to do it. He'll find others.
62 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:39:02pm |
re: #13 Floral Giraffe
Having just spent a week, in your stomping grounds of SF general area, I tip my hat in your general direction. I could NOT live here. It's beautiful, but , DANG! the people. Keep up the good work, Zombie, and please receive my thanks for what you do.
Quite a few people I know have either recently, are currently, or in the near future, plan to move to San Francisco (not just the "Bay Area" but SF City itself). Taking the moonbat concentration out of the equation for a second, I cant see why anyone thinks moving from a city not in the Top 10 least affordable, to the one that is #2 in the country, in this economy... when they aren't independently wealthy... is a good idea. I just cant.
They all range from slightly lefty to flaming moonbat... is there a moonbat magnet in the town that overcomes their income?
63 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:39:31pm |
re: #57 Noam Sayin'
Something about that part of Minnesota. It's not just the mosquitoes or the horse flies or the deer flies - it's that they're all competing for the same blood supply. It's an aggressive ecosystem.
dude, the bugzzz! i had been in the jungle in panama before this! y'all in MN have the WORST mosquitoes ever
64 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:39:32pm |
re: #55 zombie
Oh, so it's your fault.
Finally someone admits that the marketing guy is not the problem.
I hope he learned that, or at least is comfortable in his padded cell.
/
65 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:39:53pm |
Hitler breathed air, drank water, and his body converted carbohydrates into energy... Just like OBAMA!!1!11!
66 | Mr Pancakes Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:40:10pm |
re: #12 Noam Sayin'
One of the legacy brews - Hamm's.
Hamms
The first beer I ever tasted... I was 9... but that's another story.
67 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:40:31pm |
re: #52 SFGoth
That is utterly inaccurate, and using all caps doesn't make it so.
This is satire. What times we live in that this needs to be pointed out? (don't worry, you're not the first to make that error - and with all the nutbaggers who are promoting these comparisons without irony, it's almost an understandable one).
68 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:41:00pm |
re: #62 ArchangelMichael
Quite a few people I know have either recently, are currently, or in the near future, plan to move to San Francisco (not just the "Bay Area" but SF City itself). Taking the moonbat concentration out of the equation for a second, I cant see why anyone thinks moving from a city not in the Top 10 least affordable, to the one that is #2 in the country, in this economy... when they aren't independently wealthy... is a good idea. I just cant.
They all range from slightly lefty to flaming moonbat... is there a moonbat magnet in the town that overcomes their income?
because it is stinking beautiful, a fucking postcard. thats why. i'd live there if i could afford it.
69 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:41:26pm |
Aw geez. Please don't tell me Hitler had a lesbian pr0n collection, I'd hate to be compared to that asshole.
/wait, what?
71 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:41:55pm |
re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw geez. Please don't tell me Hitler had a lesbian pr0n collection, I'd hate to be compared to that asshole.
/wait, what?
SHIT!
72 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:42:24pm |
re: #68 coldwarrior
Out side of the park, the two bridges, and the Presidio I don't see it. Even the "nice" neighborhoods look like ghettos to me.
If I actually saw a home with a yard, I'd pass out.
73 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:42:27pm |
re: #63 coldwarrior
dude, the bugzzz! i had been in the jungle in panama before this! y'all in MN have the WORST mosquitoes ever
Tru dat. But it's only six months out of the year.
/
74 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:42:37pm |
re: #51 SFGoth
I did. Hasn't been published though. It's a semi-autobiographical account of my time as a night auditor in a San Francisco bed & breakfast.
Will it be published soon?
75 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:42:57pm |
re: #67 Jimmah
This is satire. What times we live in that this needs to be pointed out? (don't worry, you're not the first to make that error - and with all the nutbaggers who are promoting these comparisons without irony, it's almost an understandable one).
You know, when I posted that one, I said to myself, How long before someone responds to it seriously? And how many will?
Sigh. Satire is dead. You know who killed it? HITLER!
76 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:43:37pm |
re: #41 SFGoth
Not to toot my own horn too loudly (but better than horning my own toot), but I am currently 648 ups to 68 downs on today's (yesterday's) Comicle article on the Paris burquini flap. [Link: www.sfgate.com...]
The larger point is, obviously even non-Lizards are recognizing the elephant shit in the closet. That's a good sign.
I will also toot my own, riding on your ccoattails. I see this as a direct result of what I call "The Jimjams Effect." Prior to my Jimjams activism, SFGate was dominated by moonbat commenters, aided by sinister admins with a sinister trick. After I exposed them big-time and it got picked up by nearly all the blogs, SFGate had to unban thousands of conservative and skeptical commenters. Suddenly, overnight the character of the site changed, and now most left-biased MSM-type articles have majority snark/neocon comments. It's like the veil was lifted.
Ah, here's my site - haven't looked at it in a year:
77 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:43:40pm |
re: #56 iceweasel
It's a quote from here.
Wouldn't you be better off not adopting it as your own? Hitler came to power because of the Versailles treaty. Last time I checked, no external power has imposed such a treaty on us.
78 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:43:44pm |
re: #72 ArchangelMichael
Out side of the park, the two bridges, and the Presidio I don't see it. Even the "nice" neighborhoods look like ghettos to me.
If I actually saw a home with a yard, I'd pass out.
i have a soft spot for SF. maybe 'cause bullit and the dirty harry movies...nah,
everytime i've been there i had a great time
79 | Racer X Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:44:02pm |
re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw geez. Please don't tell me Hitler had a lesbian pr0n collection, I'd hate to be compared to that asshole.
/wait, what?
LOL!
80 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:44:39pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
You know who else breathed oxygen? Hitler.
Toonses does too! :-> (I [heart] Toonses)
81 | Noam Sayin' Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:44:50pm |
Meanwhile, innernets searches for "hitler" will undoubtedly eventually bring attention to this site...
82 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:44:54pm |
re: #73 Noam Sayin'
Tru dat. But it's only six months out of the year.
/
and the other 6 are ice and curling...and lutefisk
83 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:45:06pm |
re: #71 coldwarrior
Nope, not at all. There are certain pr0n lines I do not cross.
/
84 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:45:07pm |
re: #77 SFGoth
Wouldn't you be better off not adopting it as your own? Hitler came to power because of the Versailles treaty. Last time I checked, no external power has imposed such a treaty on us.
Wouldn't you be better off lightening up a little? C'mon.
85 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:45:15pm |
re: #45 Jimmah
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE HAD A SCIENCE ADVISOR? HITLER!
Actually, most of Hitler's science advisors came to work for us -- either as refugees in the '30s or after the war in the late-'40s/'50s.
86 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:45:35pm |
re: #62 ArchangelMichael
Moonbat magnet might just about explain it... I had a very nice, civilized lunch, at one of the "swift boated" veterans who campaigned for John Kerry. A nice man, politically misguided, IMHO.
88 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:46:25pm |
89 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:46:47pm |
re: #81 Noam Sayin'
Meanwhile, innernets searches for "hitler" will undoubtedly eventually bring attention to this site...
Innernets searches for "hitler" bring you to every site. All roads lead to Hitler in Innernets debate. It's Godwin's Law.
90 | Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:47:08pm |
91 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:47:33pm |
re: #89 iceweasel
the ice is right on that
92 | Aye Pod Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:48:06pm |
re: #85 zombie
Actually, most of Hitler's science advisors came to work for us -- either as refugees in the '30s or after the war in the late-'40s/'50s.
Which means he had science advisers both before and during the war. Know who else had those? OBAMA!
93 | Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:48:24pm |
Thanks for the welcome relief from the SF Dem. zealots. Zombie, hang in there, keep fighting the good fight!
See y'all laters!
95 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:49:17pm |
re: #94 redc1c4
its been a while since i had a fruit cup...may i?
96 | Pvt Bin Jammin Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:49:49pm |
re: #94 redc1c4
FRUITCUP!!!
and legal jargon... %-P
Hey there. I was just heading out of here. Glad you were able to come by last night.
97 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:50:29pm |
re: #68 coldwarrior
because it is stinking beautiful, a fucking postcard. thats why. i'd live there if i could afford it.
It's not *that* unaffordable. You just can't expect to have a 3 bedroom, single-family house. I don't. I have 1,100 sq. feet of lower unit duplex condo w/o garage (though parking isn't really a problem). If you forego impulse purchases of lattes, frou frou snack food, and regular dining out, there is quite a bit to do and see that's cheap or free. We don't have winter or summer, but you can go skiing 4 hours east of here. You can go hiking year round. There are all kinds of cultural events. The drugs are surprisingly cheap for the quality. Hell, you can pick magic mushrooms in both Golden Gate Park and the Presidio.
98 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:50:53pm |
re: #74 Silvergirl
Will it be published soon?
I actually might self-publish, but I need to edit it a bit.
100 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:51:51pm |
re: #92 Jimmah
Which means he had science advisers both before and during the war. Know who else had those? OBAMA!
Hitler was born in Austria and took over Germany. Obama was born in Kenya and took over America. Both men seized control of countries they weren't born in!
101 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:53:12pm |
re: #72 ArchangelMichael
Out side of the park, the two bridges, and the Presidio I don't see it. Even the "nice" neighborhoods look like ghettos to me.
If I actually saw a home with a yard, I'd pass out.
We're a city at the tip of a peninsula you dumbass, not a suburb surrounded by land on all sides. There are homes with yards - front and back - and they're expensive. I have a 25x50 backyard and I'm quite fine with it (as is the cat). We're a whole lot less urban than Manhattan or downtown Chicago.
102 | SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:53:26pm |
103 | redc1c4 Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:53:41pm |
re: #95 coldwarrior
its been a while since i had a fruit cup...may i?
by all means... even if i'm not around, it's always in the frig.
i need a big bowl or two after i get home from classes.
104 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:54:19pm |
re: #92 Jimmah
Which means he had science advisers both before and during the war. Know who else had those? OBAMA!
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WASN’T BORN IN GERMANY? HITLER!
105 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:54:43pm |
re: #78 coldwarrior
i have a soft spot for SF. maybe 'cause bullit and the dirty harry movies...nah,
everytime i've been there i had a great time
I had good times visiting. I just couldn't see myself living there.
Another thing, I wouldn't like being out on that narrow peninsula without any escape routes when The Big One® hits again. Stuck in the middle of 1 million panicing people, possibly with no water, power, food, etc.
That stuff very nearly keeps me up at night out in the suburbs down here as it is, where I have plenty of escape routes and the S.A. Fault is about 200 miles away.
106 | SFGoth Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:03pm |
re: #84 iceweasel
Wouldn't you be better off lightening up a little? C'mon.
Waiting for the muscle relaxant to kick in. Been working on a CA Supreme Court petition, so I'm a little amped. I normally don't do prescription drugs recreationally, but it's getting harder and harder to get more than 4 hours sleep (I just wake the fuck up), and I'd like to get 6 tonight.
107 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:12pm |
I's actually clear tonight where I am...but still no shooting stars visible.
I demand my money back!
108 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:19pm |
re: #97 SFGoth
It's not *that* unaffordable. You just can't expect to have a 3 bedroom, single-family house. I don't. I have 1,100 sq. feet of lower unit duplex condo w/o garage (though parking isn't really a problem). If you forego impulse purchases of lattes, frou frou snack food, and regular dining out, there is quite a bit to do and see that's cheap or free. We don't have winter or summer, but you can go skiing 4 hours east of here. You can go hiking year round. There are all kinds of cultural events. The drugs are surprisingly cheap for the quality. Hell, you can pick magic mushrooms in both Golden Gate Park and the Presidio.
i know...i know...lived in monterey for a year. cyanescens at hand help the argument. but until i am done with a few things here, no dice. gimme 36 months
109 | redc1c4 Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:28pm |
re: #101 SFGoth
We're a city at the tip of a peninsula you dumbass, not a suburb surrounded by land on all sides. There are homes with yards - front and back - and they're expensive. I have a 25x50 backyard and I'm quite fine with it (as is the cat). We're a whole lot less urban than Manhattan or downtown Chicago.
i always laugh when i hear Frisco called "The City"... it's so small it's cute.
/in a backwards sort of way. %-)
110 | ArchangelMichael Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:31pm |
re: #101 SFGoth
That was totally called for...
111 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:37pm |
112 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:55:53pm |
re: #100 zombie
Hitler was born in Austria and took over Germany. Obama was born in Kenya and took over America. Both men seized control of countries they weren't born in!
Hahaha! Good thing you've established yourself here or you'd get run out or grilled for being a Nirth-nut.
113 | redc1c4 Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:56:22pm |
re: #105 ArchangelMichael
I had good times visiting. I just couldn't see myself living there.
Another thing, I wouldn't like being out on that narrow peninsula without any escape routes when The Big One® hits again. Stuck in the middle of 1 million panicing people, possibly with no water, power, food, etc.
That stuff very nearly keeps me up at night out in the suburbs down here as it is, where I have plenty of escape routes and the S.A. Fault is about 200 miles away.
if it hits while you're there, just look for something that will float. %-)
114 | coldwarrior Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:57:12pm |
115 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:57:12pm |
re: #109 redc1c4
i always laugh when i hear Frisco called "The City"... it's so small it's cute.
/in a backwards sort of way. %-)
Don't the natives bridle up "Frisco"?
116 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:57:26pm |
re: #112 Silvergirl
Hahaha! Good thing you've established yourself here or you'd get run out or grilled for being a Nirth-nut.
I have ascended to the level where sarc tags are no longer necessary. It's sort of like reaching nirvana, but less boring.
117 | The Left Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:58:16pm |
re: #106 SFGoth
Waiting for the muscle relaxant to kick in. Been working on a CA Supreme Court petition, so I'm a little amped. I normally don't do prescription drugs recreationally, but it's getting harder and harder to get more than 4 hours sleep (I just wake the fuck up), and I'd like to get 6 tonight.
Have you tried melatonin? Everything else I've tried I just wake up in 4 hours or don't feel rested. It works really well to regulate your body clock. Always use it when I change time zones, etc.
118 | zombie Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:58:44pm |
re: #115 Silvergirl
Don't the natives bridle up "Frisco"?
No, actually, we want everyone else to call it Frisco, so we can more easily identify and then be rude to outsiders.
119 | Silvergirl Wed, Aug 12, 2009 11:59:02pm |
re: #105 ArchangelMichael
I had good times visiting. I just couldn't see myself living there.
Another thing, I wouldn't like being out on that narrow peninsula without any escape routes when The Big One® hits again. Stuck in the middle of 1 million panicing people, possibly with no water, power, food, etc.
That stuff very nearly keeps me up at night out in the suburbs down here as it is, where I have plenty of escape routes and the S.A. Fault is about 200 miles away.
Claustrophobic? "Give me land, lots of land . . . don't fence me in!"
121 | MrPaulRevere Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:00:09am |
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
122 | ArchangelMichael Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:00:19am |
re: #119 Silvergirl
Claustrophobic? "Give me land, lots of land . . . don't fence me in!"
Peoplephobic
123 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:01:33am |
re: #121 MrPaulRevere
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
He's Howard Beale come to life, and that itself is worrisome.
125 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:03:23am |
re: #100 zombie
Hitler was born in Austria and took over Germany. Obama was born in Kenya and took over America. Both men seized control of countries they weren't born in!
re: #104 iceweasel
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WASN’T BORN IN GERMANY? HITLER!
This is true, and funny. My first time in Munich meeting locals (as opposed to spending the night with my girlfriend at the time), I was in a goth club and struck up a conversation with a guy originally from Dresden. He spoke ok English and had lived 9 months in So. Carolina working for BMW, which he loved (So. Car. too). Anyway, he said that America is awesome because it's not as structured as Germany. He then asked why we -- the Allies had to bomb Dresden 6 weeks before the end of WWII, though he made it clear that he realized it was a British-led effort. (Note, downed American pilots had it much easier, although not easy per se, than British pilots, which I surmise is because the Germans found the British night terror bombing reprehensible compared to American daylight strategic bombing.) Anyway, I shrugged my shoulders and said, "I don't care." He was amazed and asked me how I could not care about bombing innocent people in a non-military city. I answered him in German: "Ich bin Jude" -- I am Jewish. He nearly flipped out and profusely apologized, saying he understood, he was sorry, and to make this relevant "Hitler wasn't German, he was from Austria!", which I knew. Still, whenever I discuss WWII with people and they bash the bombing campaign because of its inhumanity, I tell them to do a thought experiment and die of disease in Auschwitz, if they get that far.
126 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:03:29am |
re: #62 ArchangelMichael
Quite a few people I know have either recently, are currently, or in the near future, plan to move to San Francisco (not just the "Bay Area" but SF City itself). Taking the moonbat concentration out of the equation for a second, I cant see why anyone thinks moving from a city not in the Top 10 least affordable, to the one that is #2 in the country, in this economy... when they aren't independently wealthy... is a good idea. I just cant.
They all range from slightly lefty to flaming moonbat... is there a moonbat magnet in the town that overcomes their income?
No, it's the sourdough. Addictive.
127 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:03:30am |
Iceweasel, that that Ken Ham piece on pharyngula is a hoot -
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
I got through! What a waste — he simply denied the evidence that salt levels are in a roughly steady state, and then to my vast amusement, tossed in his strongest argument: PZ Myers is an atheist. Can you say ad hominem, boys and girls? I tried to explain to him that the dating methods used are independent of religion, that both credible Christian geologists and physicists as well as Jewish, atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever scientists have reached a consensus on this, but he just talked over me and claimed that those Christians have all compromised their faith. They are, apparently, not True Christians™.
128 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:03:55am |
re: #121 MrPaulRevere
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
never watched/listened to him, and i doubt i'll ever feel the need.
129 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:04:20am |
re: #121 MrPaulRevere
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
I feel the same way. He has mental health issues for sure and Fox is exploiting them.
I've felt that way ever since he filmed himself from his hospital bed last year and put it on youtube. Whacked out on painkillers and talking about suicide.
There's a number of videomashups of him in the leftysphere mocking him, and (except for one) I can't even look because I can't laugh at him. He needs help.
130 | Emperor Norton Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:04:22am |
A long time ago, my namesake, the original Emperor Norton, outlawed the use of the term "Frisco," by imperial decree.
131 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:04:24am |
re: #68 coldwarrior
because it is stinking beautiful, a fucking postcard. thats why. i'd live there if i could afford it.
I REALLY like him!
132 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:04:55am |
re: #109 redc1c4
i always laugh when i hear Frisco called "The City"... it's so small it's cute.
/in a backwards sort of way. %-)
It's bigger than Frankfurt, Germany, which has one of Europe's largest airports. Then again, we have more bums.
133 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:05:38am |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
No, it's the sourdough. Addictive.
SLO Baking makes great sourdough, and i can drive a mile to get some...
134 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:06:17am |
re: #85 zombie
Actually, most of Hitler's science advisors came to work for us -- either as refugees in the '30s or after the war in the late-'40s/'50s.
"Once the rockets go up
Who cares where they come down?
That's not my department,"
Says Wernher von Braun.
135 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:06:39am |
re: #125 SFGoth
i lived in germany for lotsa years, ...your story is not unique.
136 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:06:43am |
re: #127 Jimmah
Iceweasel, that that Ken Ham piece on pharyngula is a hoot -
[Link: scienceblogs.com...]
It's great, isn't it? reminded me of your convo, too. Atheist as an ad hominem attack!
I need to start hanging out over there again. Cool community.
137 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:07:06am |
re: #89 iceweasel
Innernets searches for "hitler" bring you to every site. All roads lead to Hitler in Innernets debate. It's Godwin's Law.
From tonight's "Leverage"--"Now granted, sharks and Nazis are the heavy hitters of the cable world..."
139 | Silvergirl Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:07:33am |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
No, it's the sourdough. Addictive.
I liked the crooked street, Lombard.
140 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:07:48am |
re: #117 iceweasel
Have you tried melatonin? Everything else I've tried I just wake up in 4 hours or don't feel rested. It works really well to regulate your body clock. Always use it when I change time zones, etc.
I've taken double doses of melatonin. Might was well have been popcorn. I can actually go into REM sleep in 5 minutes hunched over at my desk at work (door closed - I have an office) and wake up 20 minutes later. Works great.
141 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:08:24am |
re: #104 iceweasel
DO YOU KNOW WHO ELSE WASN’T BORN IN GERMANY? HITLER!
Do you know who else had a hot wife? HITLER!
142 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:09:25am |
re: #133 redc1c4
SLO Baking makes great sourdough, and i can drive a mile to get some...
Now SLO *really* stinks. Then again, it has an ag school.
144 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:10:23am |
re: #140 SFGoth
I've taken double doses of melatonin. Might was well have been popcorn. I can actually go into REM sleep in 5 minutes hunched over at my desk at work (door closed - I have an office) and wake up 20 minutes later. Works great.
melatonin requires daily same time dosage repeatedly
145 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:10:41am |
re: #121 MrPaulRevere
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
I think so too - but I can't ignore the fact that people who are mentally ill and who are capable of creating a 'following' can be very dangerous.
146 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:10:48am |
re: #135 coldwarrior
i lived in germany for lotsa years, ...your story is not unique.
Wo haben Sie gewohnt?
147 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:10:55am |
re: #115 Silvergirl
Don't the natives bridle up "Frisco"?
Yes. We accept "San Fran", though. "The City" is preferred.
148 | ArchangelMichael Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:11:05am |
re: #143 ArchangelMichael
I didn't post that... WTF?
149 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:11:53am |
re: #142 SFGoth
Now SLO *really* stinks. Then again, it has an ag school.
i was talking about the bakery, not the town, the school or the prison...
(and let's please forget about the National Guard base... %-)
152 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:12:28am |
re: #144 coldwarrior
melatonin requires daily same time dosage repeatedly
I know, I did. I ended up just taking it for the anti-oxidant value. My body doesn't react easily to anything. I can do amount of cannabis that would have most people dialing 911.
153 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:12:38am |
re: #148 ArchangelMichael
oh yes you did. :)
155 | MrPaulRevere Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:13:04am |
re: #129 iceweasel
Mental illness and suicide runs in his family; Roger Ailes is guilty of gross malfeasance for hiring him. Shiplord Kirel is right, its all about ratings and money: "Beck was born in Mount Vernon, Washington in February 1964, and raised a Roman Catholic. His early life was pitted with tragedies; his mother and one of his brothers committed suicide, and a sibling had a fatal heart attack." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
156 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:13:12am |
157 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:13:34am |
re: #152 SFGoth
I know, I did. I ended up just taking it for the anti-oxidant value. My body doesn't react easily to anything. I can do amount of cannabis that would have most people dialing 911.
have you tried benadryl?
158 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:14:15am |
re: #152 SFGoth
I know, I did. I ended up just taking it for the anti-oxidant value. My body doesn't react easily to anything. I can do amount of cannabis that would have most people dialing 911.
do you work mid shift?
159 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:15:05am |
re: #152 SFGoth
I know, I did. I ended up just taking it for the anti-oxidant value. My body doesn't react easily to anything. I can do amount of cannabis that would have most people dialing 911.
like they could even figure out the numbers to dial... %-)
smoking or eating?
160 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:15:10am |
161 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:15:10am |
re: #69 Slumbering Behemoth
Aw geez. Please don't tell me Hitler had a lesbian pr0n collection, I'd hate to be compared to that asshole.
/wait, what?
You tempt me...
/amazing at what one can find on Youtube...
162 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:15:32am |
re: #157 redc1c4
have you tried benadryl?
Not as a sleep inducer, but the few times I've tried it, not much happened. Maybe I've got some *old* school robo around.
163 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:16:11am |
164 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:16:12am |
re: #157 redc1c4
too much o' that and you loose its intended effect if ya get the sniffles
165 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:16:48am |
re: #159 redc1c4
like they could even figure out the numbers to dial... %-)
smoking or eating?
Eating. I can't even catch a buzz from smoking. I gave it up for that reason.
166 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:17:25am |
168 | Mr Pancakes Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:17:55am |
re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist
San Francisco is a state of mind.
I love Frisco... the Cable Car drivers crack me up and they are like the nicest guys you could meet... how they manage to keep their sanity is beyond me.
169 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:18:34am |
re: #121 MrPaulRevere
After watching the Glenn Beck clip below, I have to say my hostility toward this buffoon has morphed into pity. He is seriously mentally ill and needs help immediately.
I dunno. I am not really hostile towards that buffoon, but I am baffled at those who lose their shit when Beck is justifiably criticized. Even more baffled by those who would defend Libertarian Beck as a STRONG CONSERVATIVE.
As far as him being mentally ill? Perhaps. I think his shtick has more to do with ratings than with insanity. He knows how to sell conspiracy mongering and shit stirring to an audience of willing ideologues, pitching "McDonald's burger" thinking to "junk food" craving minds.
In this way, I see him as being more intellectually dishonest than batshit insane. And he's doing so for money. So I guess that makes him more of a whore than a loon, from my point of view. I still think he is a bit off his rocker, though.
170 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:19:32am |
re: #164 coldwarrior
too much o' that and you loose its intended effect if ya get the sniffles
shouldn't be true, and there's lots of other antihistamines to choose from for that anyway.
171 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:19:55am |
Ok, muscle relaxant (and boutique 2004 Russian River valley zin) kicking in. Nighty night.
173 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:20:03am |
re: #136 iceweasel
It's great, isn't it? reminded me of your convo, too. Atheist as an ad hominem attack!
I need to start hanging out over there again. Cool community.
Atheists are ok as long as they don't shit on believers by expressing any of their iffensive atheistic thoughts./
Yes - it certainly looks it. Lively and informative discussion over there.
174 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:20:17am |
175 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:20:42am |
re: #170 redc1c4
diphenhydramine works everytime, unless the person takes it often.
176 | SFGoth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:20:56am |
re: #173 Jimmah
Atheists are ok as long as they don't shit on believers by expressing any of their iffensive atheistic thoughts./
And this atheist says, and vice versa.
177 | Emperor Norton Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:21:32am |
The cable car crews are not "drivers," but called "gripmen" and "conductors." They ought to be jolly, thanks to a fat union contract, and just a few round trips per day.
179 | MrPaulRevere Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:22:17am |
re: #155 MrPaulRevere
Say what you will about Bill Buckley and National Review, this is what you call dedication to a cause: "As with most political opinion magazines in the United States, National Review carries little corporate advertising and has never turned a profit. The magazine stays afloat by donations from subscribers and black-tie fund raisers around the country. The magazine also sponsors cruises featuring National Review editors and contributors as lecturers.
Buckley said in 2005 that the magazine had lost about $25 million over 50 years." [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
180 | Silvergirl Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:23:38am |
re: #177 Emperor Norton
The cable car crews are not "drivers," but called "gripmen" and "conductors." They ought to be jolly, thanks to a fat union contract, and just a few round trips per day.
Whew! You didn't even mention the Frisco part. I thought Mr. Pancake was going to be shown the griddle.
181 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:23:43am |
re: #175 coldwarrior
diphenhydramine works everytime, unless the person takes it often.
not true: i know someone for whom it is an upper... and if you develop a tolerance, you can increase the dose, at least for awhile. the LD>50 is fairly high, for most folks. %-)
chlorpheneramine, another old school antihistamine, which knocks most people out, makes me more irritable than usual...
(*not* a good thing. %-)
182 | ArchangelMichael Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:23:43am |
re: #169 Slumbering Behemoth
I dunno. I am not really hostile towards that buffoon, but I am baffled at those who lose their shit when Beck is justifiably criticized. Even more baffled by those who would defend Libertarian Beck as a STRONG CONSERVATIVE.
I bet many of the same people wouldn't vote for Romney because he was a mormon too. Cognative Dissonance for epic fail.
183 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:24:17am |
You know who else hated smokers... Aw shit, this game is too easy.
/please don't tell me he had a lesbian pr0n collection...
185 | Mr Pancakes Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:24:23am |
re: #177 Emperor Norton
The cable car crews are not "drivers," but called "gripmen" and "conductors." They ought to be jolly, thanks to a fat union contract, and just a few round trips per day.
Whatever man... I was a tourist...
187 | Silvergirl Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:24:43am |
re: #178 coldwarrior
wtf...
Why do people just say that out of the blue? What are you commenting on? Life in general?
188 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:24:45am |
re: #183 Slumbering Behemoth
You know who else hated smokers... Aw shit, this game is too easy.
/please don't tell me he had a lesbian pr0n collection...
no: but he was a lesbian!
190 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:25:33am |
re: #187 Silvergirl
Why do people just say that out of the blue? What are you commenting on? Life in general?
well, now we know...
191 | Silvergirl Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:26:03am |
re: #186 coldwarrior
oh man, my neighbors house is opn fire
Well that may explain your earlier comment. You better get moving.
192 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:26:13am |
re: #173 Jimmah
Atheists are ok as long as they don't shit on believers by expressing any of their iffensive atheistic thoughts./
Atheists are ok if they'll just shut up and get with the program.
And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]
193 | redc1c4 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:26:24am |
reville and school in a few hours...
hasta y'all... and tell LoL i said "high!"
L8r!
194 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:27:18am |
195 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:27:45am |
re: #179 MrPaulRevere
Integrity is hard enough to find in others, but to find it politically is nearly unheard of. It's why Buckley was such a gem, and same with LGF.
196 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:30:35am |
re: #188 redc1c4
no: but he was a lesbian!
You have just ruined pr0n for me forever. I hope you're happy. Bastard.
/
197 | Mr Pancakes Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:33:27am |
re: #180 Silvergirl
Whew! You didn't even mention the Frisco part. I thought Mr. Pancake was going to be shown the griddle.
What part? I've lived in CA for 54 years... it's always been Frisco to me.
198 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:35:30am |
On the topic of lesbian pr0n...
believe it or not, there's a huge Israeli market for Nazi pr0n.
I haven't seen this documentary yet myself
[Link: www.salon.com...]
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
199 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:36:31am |
So, this guy drew a dick on the game show Jeopardy...
200 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:37:01am |
the neighbor is the other corner of the street. and they weren't on fire, much. their HS aged children were having a party, cause mom and dad are (and this is not even a john hughes reference, in 'Europe'...looks like they set fire to the shrubs.
201 | SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:38:34am |
re: #200 coldwarrior
the neighbor is the other corner of the street. and they weren't on fire, much. their HS aged children were having a party, cause mom and dad are (and this is not even a john hughes reference, in 'Europe'...looks like they set fire to the shrubs.
Well...good luck to everyone involved.
202 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:40:22am |
203 | Silvergirl Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:41:08am |
re: #197 Mr Pancakes
What part? I've lived in CA for 54 years... it's always been Frisco to me.
Comments 118, 130, 147.
Ignore that my question is missing an "at" as in "Don't the natives bridle up at "Frisco"?
204 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:41:09am |
205 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:42:19am |
re: #204 Slumbering Behemoth
japanese porn can be as bad
206 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:42:42am |
re: #202 coldwarrior
idiots :)
i dont want to know how it happened.
A friend in HS had a party while his parents were in Europe...as I recall, the highlight was when some people running around in the attic fell through the floor--in other words, through the ceiling into the master bedroom.
That didn't get covered up too easily.
207 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:42:51am |
re: #192 iceweasel
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]
And though I am a committed Christian, I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Jewish or Muslim. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.
Brilliant!
208 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:44:50am |
re: #206 iceweasel
A friend in HS had a party while his parents were in Europe...as I recall, the highlight was when some people running around in the attic fell through the floor--in other words, through the ceiling into the master bedroom.
That didn't get covered up too easily.
DAMN! no coverage there.
my younger brother had a party 'cause my parents were in europe to visit me. my parents still blame me for the damage.
209 | Mr Pancakes Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:44:50am |
re: #203 Silvergirl
Comments 118, 130, 147.
Ignore that my question is missing an "at" as in "Don't the natives bridle up at "Frisco"?
Ok ... they can bridle if they like... fair enough. I missed those posts.
I still call it Frisco, as most people I know do... no disrespect intended.
210 | MrPaulRevere Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:48:04am |
re: #195 Sharmuta
You know, when Buckley died I was not not surprised, it was expected as he was in poor health. I never expected his death to coincide with the collapse of the sane center-right. Its depressing and I fear it's a turning point in American political discourse.
211 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:50:29am |
re: #210 MrPaulRevere
You know, when Buckley died I was not not surprised, it was expected as he was in poor health. I never expected his death to coincide with the collapse of the sane center-right. Its depressing and I fear it's a turning point in American political discourse.
If he weren't already dead, he'd die of shame at this point.
And I'm a Buckley fan. I mean this in all sincerity. It's criminal what NRO has turned into. And the right.
212 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:52:59am |
re: #210 MrPaulRevere
political discourse ended when the baby boomers got the reigns of power. you wont see reagan V o'neill again.
instead, ya got pelosi, beck, olberman, obama, limbaugh, msm, blogs, und zo weite...
213 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:54:13am |
214 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:54:13am |
re: #211 iceweasel
i disagree, nro subscriber, 1982
215 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:54:55am |
re: #210 MrPaulRevere
You know, when Buckley died I was not not surprised, it was expected as he was in poor health. I never expected his death to coincide with the collapse of the sane center-right. Its depressing and I fear it's a turning point in American political discourse.
You really have to wonder where Goldwater conservatives would feel welcome were it not for Charles and LGF.
216 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:55:14am |
re: #214 coldwarrior
i disagree, nro subscriber, 1982
It's changed a LOT since then though, wouldn't you agree?
217 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:56:22am |
re: #216 iceweasel
It's changed a LOT since then though, wouldn't you agree?
Psst- he can't tell the difference between LGF and the stalker blog...
218 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:56:47am |
re: #211 iceweasel
And I'm a Buckley fan. I mean this in all sincerity. It's criminal what NRO has turned into. And the right.
No kidding.
I remember watching Buckley on PBS, on b&w tv when I was young. For some reason I found Buckely's show and Dick Cavet's to be stylistically similar, though one concentrated on current events and politics and the other on the entertainment industry.
219 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:58:20am |
re: #209 Mr Pancakes
It's not really disrespectful, it just shows that "yer not frum 'round here, are ya boy".
Seriously, if you find yourself in the Greater Bay Area of CA, do not call "The City" "Frisco". The locals will steal your socks and pee in your wallet.
/'kay, maybe I made that last part up...
220 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:59:06am |
re: #215 Sharmuta
You really have to wonder where Goldwater conservatives would feel welcome were it not for Charles and LGF.
You know, that's a good point. I can think of virtually no other respectable center/right places for them, apart from here.
re: #218 freetoken
Before my time, unfortunately. Wish I'd seen that. I'm sort of TV-illiterate in general, though.
Have people read God & Man at Yale? I haven't; always assumed I should.
221 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:00:45am |
re: #217 Sharmuta
Psst- he can't tell the difference between LGF and the stalker blog...
wow, it only took u 8 seconds to jump on ice's post...
222 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:02:38am |
re: #221 coldwarrior
Wow- it took you 4 minutes to think up this deep response.
223 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:02:55am |
re: #217 Sharmuta
Psst- he can't tell the difference between LGF and the stalker blog...
Well, that's a bit like not knowing the difference between shit and chocolate, isn't it?
Hey! You got stalker blog in my peanut butter! Blearg!
/back to the german pr0n references, i guess...
224 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:04:40am |
re: #222 Sharmuta
Wow- it took you 4 minutes to think up this deep response.
yeah, its slow. i'm getting posts in chunks.
225 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:06:01am |
re: #214 coldwarrior
i disagree, nro subscriber, 1982
They have been known to give a soap box to anti-science conspiracy mongers with a theocratic agenda.
227 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:08:02am |
228 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:08:12am |
re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth
They have been known to give a soap box to anti-science conspiracy mongers with a theocratic agenda.
NRO is shit now. It's an embarrassment. They're also publishing Andy McCarthy, an apologist for the nirthers, even while officially taking the line that nirtherism is hooey.
229 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:09:03am |
re: #225 Slumbering Behemoth
They have been known to give a soap box to anti-science conspiracy mongers with a theocratic agenda.
if your ran a publication for 50 years...
230 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:10:05am |
re: #229 coldwarrior
if your ran a publication for 50 years...
What, an infinite number of monkeys typing inevitably leads to creationist claptrap?
Wait, i did say monkeys...
231 | Mr Pancakes Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:10:41am |
re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth
It's not really disrespectful, it just shows that "yer not frum 'round here, are ya boy".
Seriously, if you find yourself in the Greater Bay Area of CA, do not call "The City" "Frisco". The locals will steal your socks and pee in your wallet.
/'kay, maybe I made that last part up...
Nope I'm not frum around ther dude... I lived in TJ man where they could steal your undies without removing your pants and shit on your flip flops.
I'll call it "The City" from now on... but it will be with a smirk.
232 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:12:41am |
re: #229 coldwarrior
if your ran a publication for 50 years...
... your publication and it's reputation would only be as good a it's recent offerings.
You grab the crazy stick, the crazy stick sticks.
233 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:13:22am |
re: #229 coldwarrior
It's more than just the longevity. In the early days NR was a vector to get Buckley's thoughts into a larger audience, and it became a means for a new generation of "conservatives" to find intellectual nutriment.
Over the past few years NR/NRO has moved from leading the discussion to being more of me-too venue for those who want the label of "conservative" applied to them.
234 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:14:03am |
re: #232 Slumbering Behemoth
hey man, i dont run nro. but i guess they are just being inclusive :)
235 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:15:56am |
re: #233 freetoken
It's more than just the longevity. In the early days NR was a vector to get Buckley's thoughts into a larger audience, and it became a means for a new generation of "conservatives" to find intellectual nutriment.
Over the past few years NR/NRO has moved from leading the discussion to being more of me-too venue for those who want the label of "conservative" applied to them.
i'm a libertarian...i like to read all sides.
238 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:17:57am |
re: #234 coldwarrior
You posed a hypothetical question: "if your ran a publication for 50 years..."
And I gave what I thought was a reasonable answer: "... your publication and it's reputation would only be as good a it's recent offerings."
I did not accuse you of running NRO.
240 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:21:12am |
Coming to the young women near you:
241 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:21:47am |
re: #233 freetoken
It's more than just the longevity. In the early days NR was a vector to get Buckley's thoughts into a larger audience, and it became a means for a new generation of "conservatives" to find intellectual nutriment.
Over the past few years NR/NRO has moved from leading the discussion to being more of me-too venue for those who want the label of "conservative" applied to them.
Yeah, Buckley sort of singlehandedly rebuilt the conservative movement and made it not just intellectually reputable but also kind of cool, really.
Now, -- I can only speak for NRO/the Corner, not the print mag-- it's a shambles. Saying it's "me-too" almost dignifies it. These are people who are publishing intellectual frauds like Jonah Goldberg and nirther shills like Andy McCarthy. I read it, but I read it to mock it, and it makes me cringe.
BTW, is American Conservative any good? Anyone know?
242 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:26:58am |
243 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:28:06am |
re: #241 iceweasel
Hi ice. I haven't read it but Pat Buchanan is associated with it so it's probably an anti-semitic POS.
244 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:30:19am |
245 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:31:09am |
re: #243 BatGuano
Hi ice. I haven't read it but Pat Buchanan is associated with it so it's probably an anti-semitic POS.
Hello B to the G! :)
Well that's bad news.
I asked because they publish Daniel Larison, who to my mind is one of the best conservative writers around (though not yet much heard of). I only read him over there.
I'd really like some respectable center/right things to read. they all seem to have collapsed in the last couple of years.
Better opposition party, please.
246 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:31:26am |
no, 16inch meade newtonian optics. 75lbs of pyrex.
247 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:31:37am |
248 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:33:10am |
re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth
i have no answer.
249 | ThingFish Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:33:35am |
250 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:33:38am |
re: #246 coldwarrior
16" reflector? Mind if I ask, where do you live to make use of a 16? telescope?
251 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:34:22am |
re: #249 ThingFish
The effort is to mainstream the style, so it won't be limited to just the anime freaks.
252 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:35:45am |
re: #247 Slumbering Behemoth
These guys? Fuck 'em.
Oh shit-- that IS them. And poking around I see other shitty stuff.
Sigh, ok. Accepting submissions now for decent conservative stuff to read, if anyone has any.
BTW-- Eunomia, Daniel Larison's blog over there, is possibly the one corn kernel in a pile of shit. Still recommend him highly. Hopefully he'll find a better home soon.
253 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:38:40am |
Damnit. An ice fisher drops bait, and I snag before it has a chance to reach its target. Maybe.
254 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:40:40am |
re: #245 iceweasel
There could be some very good things in it. But Buchanan has tainted all he has associated himself with. I defended him for almost 15 years until he went
Mel Gibson on us (Or should I say, Mel Gibson went Buchanan?).
I'm sorry sorry I ended the second sentence with a preposition, but I don't believe in Latin grammar.
255 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:43:16am |
re: #250 freetoken
16" reflector? Mind if I ask, where do you live to make use of a 16? telescope?
WVa
256 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:44:15am |
re: #252 iceweasel
Sigh, ok. Accepting submissions now for decent conservative stuff to read, if anyone has any.
Sharmuta seems to have a nice reading list going, you should ask her.
257 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:44:40am |
re: #254 BatGuano
There could be some very good things in it. But Buchanan has tainted all he has associated himself with. I defended him for almost 15 years until he went
Mel Gibson on us (Or should I say, Mel Gibson went Buchanan?).
I'm sorry sorry I ended the second sentence with a preposition, but I don't believe in Latin grammar.
dont like him either
258 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:45:25am |
re: #250 freetoken
16" reflector? Mind if I ask, where do you live to make use of a 16? telescope?
I tried a 16" reflector in San Jose, California 10 years ago; it soaked up every stray photon from headlights, streetlights, reflections off clouds, and every light source imaginable. Massive light bucket but not good in a metropolitan area.
259 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:48:46am |
re: #256 Slumbering Behemoth
Sharmuta seems to have a nice reading list going, you should ask her.
Oh i know! i mean blogs or online conversations, not books. Where is the movement today? kind of in tatters, i think
re: #254 BatGuano
One of my first political memories is watching his horrifying culture war speech in 92. That was it for me.
260 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:50:02am |
re: #252 iceweasel
"...the one corn kernel in a pile of shit."
Ice, you are not a farm girl are you? :)
261 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:51:14am |
re: #260 BatGuano
"...the one corn kernel in a pile of shit."
Ice, you are not a farm girl are you? :)
Just a potty-mouth with an affinity for a barnyard turn of phrase. :(
I think it would have been very cool to grow up on a farm.
262 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:52:56am |
re: #259 iceweasel
Oh i know! i mean blogs or online conversations, not books. Where is the movement today? kind of in tatters, i think
Too many Wedgies.
263 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:53:40am |
re: #258 BatGuano
i prefer my wife's 10in Ritchey-Chrétien, it allows a nicer view. the 16 is, well just too much, but fun!
264 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:55:34am |
re: #259 iceweasel
It's not a movement anymore. Just a bunch of cranky dudes standing around in a smoke filled room, drinking beer and talking about chicks.
/wait... what were we talking about?
266 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:36am |
re: #258 BatGuano
I tried a 16" reflector in San Jose, California 10 years ago; it soaked up every stray photon from headlights, streetlights, reflections off clouds, and every light source imaginable. Massive light bucket but not good in a metropolitan area.
That's the problem with large telescopes. Down here people have to live in the mountains or the desert to make use of them.
267 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:50am |
re: #263 coldwarrior
Yes, you should choose you telescope based upon (among other things) where you intend to primarily use it. I wanted a Cassegrain but I knew I would have to haul it up into the Palo Alto hills to make it worthwhile and I could not do that on a night night basis.
268 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 1:59:58am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
271 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:01:04am |
re: #268 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Help yourselves!
Thank you littleoldlady!
276 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:01:45am |
re: #266 freetoken
That's the problem with large telescopes. Down here people have to live in the mountains or the desert to make use of them.
put it in a large SUV and go.
it works
277 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:02:22am |
278 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:02:49am |
280 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:03:32am |
re: #268 littleoldlady
Fruitcup is on the buffet → → → → →
Yay! Definitely looks tastier than the watermelon I bought tonight... I just cut it and it was... sour!
That is a problem with these large seedless watermelon we get this time of year. The early ones from Mexico are much better, and I've not found a traditional (seeded) watermelon in any of my local stores.
282 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:04:21am |
re: #267 BatGuano
we have several scopes, many years of astronomy tends to do this to people.
283 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:04:36am |
re: #280 freetoken
freetoken! :-)
A watermelon sent me to the hospital with food poisoning once.
/be careful!
287 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:08:44am |
re: #283 littleoldlady
When I was kid I found that the best watermelons were stolen. This was in Oklahoma where it was kinda expected that the kids would steal a few.
288 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:09:06am |
re: #286 coldwarrior
it was good persieds
Damn...it was too cloudy here yesterday/night before last to see anything...still cloudy now...bummer, missed it!
289 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:09:45am |
290 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10:11am |
re: #288 srb1976
Damn...it was too cloudy here yesterday/night before last to see anything...still cloudy now...bummer, missed it!
every year...
291 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:10:48am |
re: #287 BatGuano
To add insult to injury, I paid a small fortune for that sucker in the local corner grocery... :-(
292 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:11:15am |
re: #289 littleoldlady
good dew soaked astronomy morning to u!
293 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:11:58am |
re: #285 coldwarrior
Lucky! Between high thin clouds, bay area lights and the moon I only saw three. Next year I'm gonna stay at you house. What are doing for the Aquarids? ;)
294 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:11am |
i'm out, the moon is killing the meteorites.
295 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:27am |
296 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:12:42am |
re: #293 BatGuano
Lucky! Between high thin clouds, bay area lights and the moon I only saw three. Next year I'm gonna stay at you house. What are doing for the Aquarids? ;)
same as i did tonight...
g'night
298 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:14:15am |
299 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:17:39am |
Boy, Her Royal Stoutness is pissed!!! She woke up a minute ago wanting a fresh diaper...and did NOT want to go back to bed!
300 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:20:25am |
re: #299 srb1976
Boy, Her Royal Stoutness is pissed!!! She woke up a minute ago wanting a fresh diaper...and did NOT want to go back to bed!
Tell me about it.. (father of three girls two of which were twins). :)
301 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:23:13am |
re: #300 BatGuano
Tell me about it.. (father of three girls two of which were twins). :)
I am immensely grateful that she is just one child! The girl is a pretty impressive little schemer, even at (almost) 2...can't imagine trying to keep up with 2 at once!!
302 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:34am |
Here is some good news:
Our ancient ancestors were not knuckle draggers!
See, we really did come down from the trees...
303 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:29:54am |
304 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:32:54am |
re: #301 srb1976
The relationship between the amount of work required to raise multiple children is not linear. It increases in geometric proportions. ie., twins do not require twice the attention of a single but 4 times: triplets, 9 times. Octuplets, 64 times., etc. I figured this out by experience.
305 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:09am |
re: #304 BatGuano
The relationship between the amount of work required to raise multiple children is not linear. It increases in geometric proportions. ie., twins do not require twice the attention of a single but 4 times: triplets, 9 times. Octuplets, 64 times., etc. I figured this out by experience.
I don't doubt that for a second...that's why I'm glad that Her Royal Stoutness was born after the Little Man was already potty trained...1 set of diapers at a time! = )
I have nothing but respect for ya'll that manage it, but better you than me = )
306 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:37:38am |
Has anyone heard from gmsc? I haven't seen him around for awhile and I don't know what happened on this day in history and I need a math fix.
307 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:38:49am |
308 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:39:58am |
re: #305 srb1976
I don't doubt that for a second...that's why I'm glad that Her Royal Stoutness was born after the Little Man was already potty trained...1 set of diapers at a time! = )
I have nothing but respect for ya'll that manage it, but better you than me = )
Thank you, but it was the best years of my life.
309 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:40:48am |
310 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:12am |
re: #307 littleoldlady
Such a delicate balance, raising twins.
gmsc is fine...
Thank you littleoldlady.
311 | Aye Pod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:41:47am |
312 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:45:50am |
re: #309 Slumbering Behemoth
I knew it! You're the Octo-Mom!
/The Behemoth said, whilst doing this.
Donald Sutherland scared the crap out of me in that one! And no, I'm not the octomom. I'm a virile male who loves the ladies (and the ladies love me).
313 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:47:38am |
re: #308 BatGuano
Thank you, but it was the best years of my life.
That I don't doubt either...we even kinda miss the "getting up in the middle of the night to feed the baby" phase...Not enough to do it again, mind you, but a little = )
314 | Throbert McGee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:50:47am |
Morning, lizards! I've been quiet for the past several days because I've been feverishly catching up and dialoguing with my born-again fundie right-wing evangelical Christian friends from high school. I rather abruptly stopped talking to them after I came out as a homo in my fourth year of college -- not because they were mean about it, 'cause they weren't at all, but because trying to translate my Ayn-Randroid / atheist / libertarian / homo thoughts into evangelical Christian super-fundie (they're pretty much YEC!) was just too much tsuris at the time. Anyway, we've been rapidly rebuilding our old friendships via FaceBook (20-year HS reunion is coming up on 19 September), and they've actually mellowed a lot on homosexuality, though not so much on the Creationism thing -- but oh well, I figure they make a nice counterweight to pushy atheist dicks like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.
ANYWAY, they're surprisingly supportive of my "frot blog" -- and on that note, check out the new Freudian visual-double-entendre logo that I PhotoShopped a couple days ago.
Pretty spiffy, eh? (Content advisory: The frot blog strives to stay within the PG-13 to R range as much as is possible when the subject is dick-to-dick rubbing as an ultra-safe homosexual practice. That said, it's obviously not kid-appropriate, but is PROBABLY work-safe unless your office is extremely prudish.)
315 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:51:05am |
So- should we start a pool on when the mud starts flying this morning?
I pick #653.
316 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:53:55am |
317 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:57:40am |
Today is the 5 years anneversary of Hurricane Charlie. It was supposed to hit where I live, but made a hard right south of me. 145 MPH winds. Katrina hit NO with 125 MPH winds.
318 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:34am |
re: #315 Sharmuta
So- should we start a pool on when the mud starts flying this morning?
I pick #653.
534.
I'm feeling fiesty, plus I'm waitin on the first 'ZOMG ice was talking about nazi pr0n and posted a furry video!!!' hilarious misconception.
319 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:51am |
re: #316 littleoldlady
Indeed. "Tsuris" is, I suspect, the only word migrated into the English language that starts with "tsu" that doesn't have a Japanese origin.
320 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:58:58am |
re: #317 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oops, forgot to spell check.
321 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:09am |
re: #315 Sharmuta
So- should we start a pool on when the mud starts flying this morning?
I pick #653.
There's mud later?
I miss all the good stuff!
/
322 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:44am |
re: #318 iceweasel
I could always post a bunch of AGW news stories... that might get people going.
323 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 2:59:46am |
re: #314 Throbert McGee
This is 2009: Why would they be concerned about the "tsuris" in this day and age? I guess I' hopelessly naive. In any case, more power to you. :)
324 | Flyers1974 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:01:52am |
re: #303 iceweasel
That's my safe word.
/can't. stop. laughing!
Good morning IW. What's up with those furries anyway?
325 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:02:10am |
re: #323 BatGuano
This is 2009: Why would they be concerned about the "tsuris" in this day and age? I guess I' hopelessly naive. In any case, more power to you. :)
Am I the only one who had to look up "tsuris" to find out what it meant?
327 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:03:21am |
re: #319 freetoken
I know nothing about Japanese. Which "tsu" words (other than tsunami?)
I don't know much Yiddish either, but I do know that the "ts" sound comes from a Hebrew letter, Tsadik: צ
328 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:04:24am |
re: #325 srb1976
You're the only one that bothered. ;-)
330 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:05:59am |
re: #325 srb1976
I don't know. I love Yiddish even though I am in no way fluent.
331 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:06:06am |
332 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:11am |
re: #306 BatGuano
On this day in history...
August 13th, 1864 After consulting with one of his wife's trusted mystics, Abraham Lincoln travels back through time to beat the crap of of an adolescent John Wilkes Booth.
August 13th, 670 B.C. Phartacles positions a burning ember near his backside prior to emitting gas, and dubs it "Greek Fire". Rumors of the event reach gastronomical proportions.
August 13th, 1745 Coastal Fisherman Jebidiah Behemoth misspells the word "prawn" in a letter to his cousin, thus planting the seed for an internet pornography meme far in the future.
August 13th, 1969 Jim Morrison shocks his friends, band mates, and family by not being drunk.
/
Shit, where is GMSC?
333 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:08:17am |
re: #327 littleoldlady
The "tsuba" is a part of a sword:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
There are a couple of other words too, I think, but they are not normally seen.
334 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:09:15am |
Here is a nice image of a tsuba mounted on a sword:
335 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:11:22am |
re: #332 Slumbering Behemoth
On this day in history...
August 13th, 1864 After consulting with one of his wife's trusted mystics, Abraham Lincoln travels back through time to beat the crap of of an adolescent John Wilkes Booth.
August 13th, 670 B.C. Phartacles positions a burning ember near his backside prior to emitting gas, and dubs it "Greek Fire". Rumors of the event reach gastronomical proportions.
August 13th, 1745 Coastal Fisherman Jebidiah Behemoth misspells the word "prawn" in a letter to his cousin, thus planting the seed for an internet pornography meme far in the future.
August 13th, 1969 Jim Morrison shocks his friends, band mates, and family by not being drunk.
/Shit, where is GMSC?
I miss him more than ever now, but thank you for your attempt...
/ (shit, how do we get rid of this guy?)
336 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:11:47am |
re: #327 littleoldlady
I know nothing about Japanese. Which "tsu" words (other than tsunami?)
I don't know much Yiddish either, but I do know that the "ts" sound comes from a Hebrew letter, Tsadik: צ
What's funny is that if you talk to a Russian Jew, they have a different pronunciation...same with tchotchke. The ts and the tch sounds can be different in different places.
love yiddish, but also by no means fluent.
342 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:15:33am |
343 | Flyers1974 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:17:59am |
re: #340 littleoldlady
Shhh! JINX!
;-)
I almost forgot they had Pedro Martinez. Is he still good? He was good enough last night at least.
344 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:41am |
re: #75 iceweasel
You know, when I posted that one, I said to myself, How long before someone responds to it seriously? And how many will?
Sigh. Satire is dead. You know who killed it? HITLER!
You know who else liked satire? HITLER!!
345 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:19:52am |
re: #336 iceweasel
I think they are different letters altogether. "tch" comes from Yiddish; "ts" is Hebrew.
Tsactske has a different meaning than chatchke.
/at least it does in my family, but we've been known to make these things up...
But you are right. Yiddish pronunciation is different among Polish, Hungarian, Russian (etc) Jews. Sometimes so different that we don't know what a non-countryman is talking about.
346 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:15am |
So the new job (at the same place) that I've been moved to, starts nearly an hour later than the old one...it's really hard to convince myself that I am not running late this morning!
Messes with my routine!
347 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:39am |
re: #324 Flyers1974
Good morning IW. What's up with those furries anyway?
Let's pretend we're bunny rabbits
Let's do it all day long
Let abbots, Babbitts and Cabots
Say Mother Nature's wrong
And when we've had a couple'a'beers
We'll put on bunny suits
I long to nibble your ears
And do as bunnies do
Let's pretend we're bunny rabbits
Let's do it all day long
Rapidly becoming rabid
Singing little rabbit songs
348 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:20:45am |
re: #343 Flyers1974
I almost forgot they had Pedro Martinez. Is he still good? He was good enough last night at least.
I think he surprised even himself! ;-) He sounded just happy to be playing again in the post-game interview.
349 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:22:47am |
re: #332 Slumbering Behemoth
August 13th, 1864 After consulting with one of his wife's trusted mystics, Abraham Lincoln travels back through time to beat the crap of of an adolescent John Wilkes Booth.
Oddly enough, my interest in getting the dates close to correct on the above goofery lead me to this piece of crap:
Google cache link, so you don't have to worry about giving that crap site any hit counts.
350 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:30am |
re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth
Oddly enough, there are a large number of apparently non-racist southerners who are not huge fans of Lincoln. Not to say that I agree with them, but their disagreements are not about wanting to continue slavery...
351 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:25:43am |
re: #345 littleoldlady
I think they are different letters altogether. "tch" comes from Yiddish; "ts" is Hebrew.
Tsactske has a different meaning than chatchke.
/at least it does in my family, but we've been known to make these things up...
But you are right. Yiddish pronunciation is different among Polish, Hungarian, Russian (etc) Jews. Sometimes so different that we don't know what a non-countryman is talking about.
I think you're right and they're different letters completely.
I don't know about the two words you mention; strangely enough, if I heard how you pronounce them I might know. The spelling conventions are all different too...my russian friend and I would laugh because we had some of the same words, but very different pronunciations-- yet we understood each other. :)
Anyway, mazel tov!
352 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:03am |
353 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:28:54am |
re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth
What does Μολὼν λάβε have to do with John Wilkes Booth? Come and take them? Take what?
354 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:29:32am |
re: #350 srb1976
Have it your way, but that linked to a post that was clearly someone wishing a POTUS was assassinated much earlier than he actually was.
355 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:31:27am |
re: #354 Slumbering Behemoth
Have it your way, but that linked to a post that was clearly someone wishing a POTUS was assassinated much earlier than he actually was.
I'm sorry...I'm not saying that's "my way" or that I agree...and I completely agree that the post you linked to was, fact racist...
I apologize if I didn't say (type?) that well...
356 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:34:27am |
re: #349 Slumbering Behemoth
Sorry,I just saw that. JWB was four years tardy.
357 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:36:28am |
re: #353 BatGuano
What does Μολὼν λάβε have to do with John Wilkes Booth? Come and take them? Take what?
Take our weapons.
It's a bunch of keyboard warriors pretending they're 1) classics scholars, and 2) tough guys.
It's the answer the Spartans sent back at thermopylae when the persians asked for their weapons. "Come and take them".
All these assholes learned it because of the movie 300-- and by the way, Μολὼν λάβε is now being used as a signature and rallying cry for some of the real right wing extremists at the moment, very frightening people (Stormfront and worse)
358 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:37:27am |
re: #355 srb1976
Lost in translation then, so to speak.
Anyway, I'll be logging off. It's too drunk, and I'm too late. Or something like that.
Later Lizards.
361 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:38:19am |
re: #358 Slumbering Behemoth
Lost in translation then, so to speak.
Anyway, I'll be logging off. It's too drunk, and I'm too late. Or something like that.
Later Lizards.
Eh...wouldn't be the first time I have stuck my foot in my mouth early int he morning...
Have a good night/day = )
363 | srb1976 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:42:02am |
And on that note...
Looks like it's time to get to work...take it easy folks!
Have a great day!
364 | littleoldlady Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:43:59am |
365 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:36am |
re: #357 iceweasel
Specifically, it was leonidas who reportedly said that. So, they get their history from an absurd (but entertaining) movie like "300", without knowing the history behind it? (rhetorical question). I suppose they also think there were elephants and rhinos at the battle.
366 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:44:57am |
Good Morning LGF.
And a hearty Μολὼν λάβε to Charlton Heston.
368 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:52:30am |
re: #366 Spare O'Lake
Michael Moore shamelessly took advantage of Heston's Alzheimers to mock him. A low point in movie making.
369 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 3:58:49am |
re: #365 BatGuano
Specifically, it was leonidas who reportedly said that. So, they get their history from an absurd (but entertaining) movie like "300", without knowing the history behind it? (rhetorical question). I suppose they also think there were elephants and rhinos at the battle.
That's right. And yeah, it's weird. There is this mythic cult of keyboard kommandos who have embraced that slogan as their own, and by it they mean "the gubbmint wants to come take my guns!"
It's like the old slogan, "you can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands" but unlike that one, this Molon Labe! shit is scary. It implies the belief that you're fighting off a siege til death, and you're actively begging for 'them' (whoever 'they' are) to "come take them".
Also, as I said, it's gained currency in a lot of very, very scary places. Not just a kind of normal, second amendment respecting, gunowning community slogan.
It's also being used by the kind of people who keep talking about armed revolution, death camps, 'taking our country back' and worse. I have a couple of links somewhere about that slogan and its growing popularity among the frightening fringe. (not everyone who uses it is automatically nuts, but it's one of these things percolating up from the very nasty, very fringe right)
371 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:06:23am |
Good morning.
Economy hopes fuel rise in U.S. stock futures
U.S. stock futures rose Thursday as a surprise rise in German and French output in the second quarter combined with the more upbeat assessment from the Federal Reserve to buoy the case for a world economy moving past its worst.S&P 500 futures rose 9.8 points to 1,012.00 and Nasdaq 100 futures increased 14.75 points to 1,633.50. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 82 points.
Sounds good, but this still needs to be backed up by actual growth in GDP and increasing employment to be sustained.
372 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:07:01am |
Yes, we are becoming more polarized. I see it right here on LGF.
Stephen Stills said it best 40 years ago (in my youth)
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
374 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:08:57am |
re: #372 BatGuano
Yes, we are becoming more polarized. I see it right here on LGF.
Stephen Stills said it best 40 years ago (in my youth)
There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
There's a man with a gun in his hand...
376 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:10:46am |
378 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:12:20am |
379 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:13:21am |
re: #372 BatGuano
Yes, we are becoming more polarized. I see it right here on LGF.
I think it's partly because of the demonizing of any and all political opponents. Most of our countrymen are not our enemies, even if we disagree with them. I'd like to save the demonizing for those who have earned it- like nazis, Bill Ayers, and other freaks.
380 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:13:26am |
re: #376 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crap! That means I'm old, too!
/
That means we have a lot of great memories.
381 | SteveC Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:14:16am |
And in the naked light I saw
ten thousand people maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
383 | SteveC Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:10am |
re: #379 Sharmuta
I think it's partly because of the demonizing of any and all political opponents. Most of our countrymen are not our enemies, even if we disagree with them. I'd like to save the demonizing for those who have earned it- like nazis, Bill Ayers, and other freaks.
Nail. meet head!
384 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:15:57am |
US Home Foreclosures Set Another Record in July
U.S. home loans failed at a record pace in July despite ongoing federal and state programs to avoid foreclosures, which have severely strained housing and the economy.
Foreclosure activity jumped 7 percent in July from June and 32 percent from a year earlier as one in every 355 households with a loan got a foreclosure filing, RealtyTrac said on Thursday.
Filings — including notices of default, auction and bank repossession — have escalated with unemployment.
"July marks the third time in the last five months where we've seen a new record set for foreclosure activity," James J. Saccacio, RealtyTrac's chief executive, said in a statement.
But, but,but I thought unemployment dropped to 9.4% and so everything was just fine?
Hope and change!
385 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:16:10am |
re: #381 SteveC
And in the naked light I saw
ten thousand people maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.
Simon and Garfunkle-1965
386 | SteveC Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:18:33am |
re: #385 BatGuano
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence.Simon and Garfunkle-1965
%&^%#^&!!!
Printing documents that printers never print! GRRR!
Ask Mr. Springfield if I may borrow his gun!
387 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:18:33am |
re: #372 BatGuano
Stephen Stills said it best 40 years ago (in my youth)
A fall-down-drunk Steven Stills literally fell out of his limo onto my feet in 1976.
388 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:19:47am |
re: #379 Sharmuta
I think it's partly because of the demonizing of any and all political opponents. Most of our countrymen are not our enemies, even if we disagree with them. I'd like to save the demonizing for those who have earned it- like nazis, Bill Ayers, and other freaks.
Wow. What a statement to wake up to.
389 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:05am |
re: #387 3 wood
A fall-down-drunk Steven Stills literally fell out of his limo onto my feet in 1976.
At least he didn't blow chunks on them (Did he?)
390 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:21:33am |
re: #388 thedopefishlives
I try, Fishie. Good morning to you.
391 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:22:02am |
re: #379 Sharmuta
I think it's partly because of the demonizing of any and all political opponents. Most of our countrymen are not our enemies, even if we disagree with them. I'd like to save the demonizing for those who have earned it- like nazis, Bill Ayers, and other freaks.
Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line,
The man comes and takes you away
392 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:22:23am |
394 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:24:01am |
re: #390 Sharmuta
I try, Fishie. Good morning to you.
And to you as well. Have I missed anything significant?
396 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:04am |
re: #394 thedopefishlives
And to you as well. Have I missed anything significant?
I started a morning thread mud slinging pool. Care to pick a number?
397 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:25:15am |
Wal-Mart posts unexpected profit increase
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT 51.34, +0.83, +1.64%) said Thursday that its fiscal second-quarter profit rose to $3.45 billion, or 88 cents a share, from $3.4 billion, or 87 cents a share, a year earlier.
398 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:26:12am |
re: #389 BatGuano
At least he didn't blow chunks on them (Did he?)
Oh yeah, along with the better part of a bottle of whiskey.
399 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:27:11am |
re: #396 Sharmuta
I started a morning thread mud slinging pool. Care to pick a number?
Hmm, that's a toughy. You can put me down for 500, I guess.
400 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:01am |
Morning lizards. How are you all today? I'm starting vacation tomorrow, so I'll be doing a weeks worth of work in one day. Well, I'll be trying, anyway. ;)
401 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:31am |
re: #396 Sharmuta
I started a morning thread mud slinging pool. Care to pick a number?
Well, I'm back now. And feeling rather ornery!
I'll keep my little self on a leash though. promise.
402 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:29:42am |
re: #392 iceweasel
mre: #392 iceweasel
Im on the pavement
Thinking about the government
The man in the trench coat
Badge out, laid off
Says hes got a bad cough
Wants to get ipaid off
Look out kid
Its somethinG you did
God knows when
But you're doin it again
You better duck down the alley way
Lookin for a new friend
The man in the coon-skin cap
In the big pen
Wants eleven dollar bills
YOU ONLY GOT TEN.
OR, SOMRHING LIKE THAT.
/iCE HOW OLD ARE YOU?
403 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:24am |
re: #400 VioletTiger
Don;t work too hard. What is this "vacation" you speak of?
404 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:31:55am |
Libor-OIS Spread Drops to Greenspan’s ‘Normal’ as Credit Thaws
Aug. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The Libor-OIS spread narrowed to a level former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said he regarded as “normal,” adding to evidence the freeze in credit markets is thawing.
The spread, which gauges the reluctance among banks to lend, fell 1 basis point to 25 basis points today, the least since Jan. 24, 2008. The spread soared to 364 basis points on Oct. 10 last year after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.’s collapse in September. Greenspan said in a June 2008 interview he wouldn’t consider credit markets back to “normal” until the spread was at 25 basis points.
The thing I find interesting in all this, is not the technical aspects of the rate spread, but that Alan Greenspan is still running his yap about all this. Usually, former Fed Chairmen have the good sense and class to zip their lips and avoid making comments on policy once they leave the office
Greenspan, you retired, you set up many of the conditions that contributed to the economy melting down, just go away already.
405 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:32:55am |
The more I read these articles about the fracturing of the GOP the more I think that a real leftist party not tied to the traditional "machines" should seize the moment and replace it on the national stage.
/and how are we all this evening?
406 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:33:42am |
re: #402 BatGuano
Bat to the G, I have a sneaking suspicion that you and I are far more alike politically than we think.
/iCE HOW OLD ARE YOU?
Old enough to know better, young enough not to care. :(
Mid 30's. But i defend my right to be immature!
407 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:29am |
re: #406 iceweasel
Bat to the G, I have a sneaking suspicion that you and I are far more alike politically than we think.
Old enough to know better, young enough not to care. :(
Mid 30's. But i defend my right to be immature!
22 since last July 19th. And you think you feel old?
408 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:32am |
Maggie comes flat foot
face full of black soot,
talking that the heatl put,
pants int he but but..
somethin;, somethin..
I give up. :)
409 | Sharmuta Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:34:38am |
re: #401 iceweasel
Well, I'm back now. And feeling rather ornery!
I'll keep my little self on a leash though. promise.
You don't even need to be here for a fight about you to break out. Amazing.
410 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:36:24am |
re: #408 BatGuano
Maggie comes flat foot
face full of black soot,
talking that the heatl put,
pants int he but but..
somethin;, somethin..
I give up. :)
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I met the Bishop on the road
And much said he and I.
'Those breasts are flat and fallen now,
Those veins must soon be dry;
Live in a heavenly mansion,
Not in some foul sty.'
'Fair and foul are near of kin,
And fair needs foul,' I cried.
'My friends are gone, but that's a truth
Nor grave nor bed denied,
Learned in bodily lowliness
And in the heart's pride.
'A woman can be proud and stiff
When on love intent;
But Love has pitched his mansion in
The place of excrement;
For nothing can be sole or whole
That has not been rent.'
411 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:12am |
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee answers phone while at a town hall while cancer survivor is asking her a question. Saw the footage.
Think she'll have a target on her back for the coming elections?
412 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:24am |
re: #403 BatGuano
Don;t work too hard. What is this "vacation" you speak of?
I don't quite remember, since I have not had one in quite a while.
I think you relax. I'll let you know.
413 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:31am |
re: #409 Sharmuta
You don't even need to be here for a fight about you to break out. Amazing.
That almost made me not come back ever. It freaks me out.
414 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:37:55am |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee answers phone while at a town hall while cancer survivor is asking her a question. Saw the footage.
Think she'll have a target on her back for the coming elections?
RIHGT WING EXTREIMST!
/because "racsit!" was getting old.
415 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:38:08am |
APTS TO RENT: $2B
TARP SURPLUS MAY GO TO STOP BUILDING FORECLOSURES
First it was the banks and automakers that got a helping hand from Uncle Sam -- and soon some New York City apartment complexes could get one, too.
A bill winding its way through Congress proposes to prop up deteriorating apartment complexes by injecting $2 billion from the Troubled Asset Relief Program into an effort to stabilize multifamily properties in default or foreclosure.
The bill, which is called the TARP for Main Street Act and was sponsored by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and Rep. Nydia Velazquez (D-Brooklyn and Manhattan), would use TARP funds that have been returned by banks and plow it into programs that, according to the bill, would create "sustainable financing" for the complexes as well as provide funding for property rehabilitation.
416 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:05am |
re: #415 3 wood
There's something particularly nostalgic about Harlem as compared to, say, "da Bronks."
417 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:34am |
re: #415 3 wood
Anything with Barney Frank's name on it should automatically be suspect.
418 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:52am |
re: #406 iceweasel
Could be. In my misspent youth, I memorized every line to that song but my memory has faded over the years. I'm impressed that you are even aware of it. So few remember the FIRST RAP SONG!
419 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:39:55am |
re: #406 iceweasel
Bat to the G, I have a sneaking suspicion that you and I are far more alike politically than we think.
Old enough to know better, young enough not to care. :(Mid 30's. But i defend my right to be immature!
awww ICE, such a young lady! Yesterday someone asked you to be more personal, let us know about you, thanks. Now there is more of a reference when you bloviate. Good morning to you.
421 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:40:50am |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee answers phone while at a town hall while cancer survivor is asking her a question. Saw the footage.
Think she'll have a target on her back for the coming elections?
Oh, I hope so.
Such arrogance. I hope the voters remember.
422 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:42:01am |
re: #414 laZardo
RIHGT WING EXTREIMST!
/because "racsit!" was getting old.
Nothing worse than an old racsit...I think. ;)
423 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:43:49am |
re: #418 BatGuano
Could be. In my misspent youth, I memorized every line to that song but my memory has faded over the years. I'm impressed that you are even aware of it. So few remember the FIRST RAP SONG!
You're totally right!
re: #419 apachegunner
awww ICE, such a young lady! Yesterday someone asked you to be more personal, let us know about you, thanks. Now there is more of a reference when you bloviate. Good morning to you.
Hey AG, good to see you.
yeah, not interested in being very personal. I'm not that interesting, I promise. :)
But, happy to give people some points of reference for my Bloviation Nation Sensation! (that's the name for my upcoming tour, of course)
425 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:44:41am |
re: #421 VioletTiger
Oh, I hope so.
Such arrogance. I hope the voters remember.
I don't think so, not in her district anyway. remember cold cash jefferson and who is the convicted senator (notice no capitol letter there) from Floriday? Hastings?
426 | esch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:10am |
re: #411 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee answers phone while at a town hall while cancer survivor is asking her a question. Saw the footage.
Think she'll have a target on her back for the coming elections?
The attack ads just write themselves lately.
427 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:45:31am |
re: #424 BatGuano
Yeats?
Loving my Bat, all the time...
yes. Maggie reminded me of "crazy jane".
"Crazy Jane talks to the bishop" is the poem.
428 | Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:49:56am |
re: #425 apachegunner
I don't think so, not in her district anyway. remember cold cash jefferson and who is the convicted senator (notice no capitol letter there) from Floriday? Hastings?
[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]
429 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:50:36am |
Good morning one and all. I see things are peaceful, at the moment. I give it a couple of hours...
/wish I was kidding.
431 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:51:26am |
re: #427 iceweasel
I have a little inferiority complex here. I never went past high school and there are so many educated people posting here I have too rack my brain to keep up:Rely on fuzzy memories.
432 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:53:29am |
re: #429 BlueCanuck
There was blood letting a few hours ago. I stayed out of to keep my knickerbockers from getting soiled.
433 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:54:45am |
re: #417 thedopefishlives
Anything with Barney Frank's name on it should automatically be suspect.
Did you notice that they are re=spending our returned TARP money.
Geez, these Dem's can't spend our money fast enough.
434 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:54:46am |
re: #432 BatGuano
Ouch, sounds painful. Usual or new suspects.
435 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:55:15am |
re: #427 iceweasel
Never would have remebered the name of it. :)
436 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:57:05am |
re: #431 BatGuano
I have a little inferiority complex here. I never went past high school and there are so many educated people posting here I have too rack my brain to keep up:Rely on fuzzy memories.
But everyone knows that formal education has nothing to do with intelligence.
Two of the dumbest people I know have PhDs from Ivy League schools...and one of the smartest and most well-read persons I've ever known was a high school drop-out.
True stories.
{bat}
437 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:57:19am |
re: #434 BlueCanuck
They were new to me. Although some had been around awhile. Not frequent posters. Circus folk, really. Small hands, smell like cabbage.
438 | Taqyia2Me Thu, Aug 13, 2009 4:58:33am |
re: #404 3 wood
Libor-OIS Spread Drops to Greenspan’s ‘Normal’ as Credit Thaws
The thing I find interesting in all this, is not the technical aspects of the rate spread, but that Alan Greenspan is still running his yap about all this. Usually, former Fed Chairmen have the good sense and class to zip their lips and avoid making comments on policy once they leave the officeGreenspan, you retired, you set up many of the conditions that contributed to the economy melting down, just go away already.
The pundit class sures seems to be talking UP the economy, as opposed to the last 8 years or so.
439 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:00:00am |
re: #436 iceweasel
But everyone knows that formal education has nothing to do with intelligence.
Two of the dumbest people I know have PhDs from Ivy League schools...and one of the smartest and most well-read persons I've ever known was a high school drop-out.
True stories.
{bat}
I agree.
My dad never had the opportunity to go to college. Joined the Navy right out of high school near the end of WWII. He was the smartest person I have ever known. He read every science book he could get his hands on. I wish he had lived to see the internet.
440 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:00:12am |
re: #433 3 wood
Did you notice that they are re=spending our returned TARP money.
Geez, these Dem's can't spend our money fast enough.
Apparently, they seem to think that giving themselves a license to spend money means that they HAVE to spend it. Sounds like a lot of people I know with their credit cards.
441 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:02:05am |
re: #439 VioletTiger
My dad only went to the 10th grade. His father got him a full time job at 16. Still had a better grasp of english then I did. Of course his lack of intelligence in other areas only became apparent in later life.
442 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:03:16am |
re: #439 VioletTiger
I agree.
My dad never had the opportunity to go to college. Joined the Navy right out of high school near the end of WWII. He was the smartest person I have ever known. He read every science book he could get his hands on. I wish he had lived to see the internet.
Your dad reminds me of someone I know.
He was 17 for Pearl Harbour, went to enlist and the recruiter told him to walk around the block and come back in and claim he was a year older.
Your dad sounds amazing. I'm sorry he's not still with you.
443 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:04:39am |
re: #442 iceweasel
Your dad reminds me of someone I know.
He was 17 for Pearl Harbour, went to enlist and the recruiter told him to walk around the block and come back in and claim he was a year older.
Your dad sounds amazing. I'm sorry he's not still with you.
My dad did the same thing, though his mother came down and lied for him. He ended up as a Frogman and was in most of the major invasions in the Pacific.
444 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:09:18am |
re: #436 iceweasel
Society still follows the rule that the people who make large amounts of money already pretty much had that amount of money to start with.
At least that's how it went in my school and college later on.
445 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:37am |
Morning, all. Ice, I updinged you on your nice comment just to start the day off right.
446 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:10:41am |
re: #443 Lucius Septimius
My dad did the same thing, though his mother came down and lied for him. He ended up as a Frogman and was in most of the major invasions in the Pacific.
That's just so-- I'm in awe. Total respect for that generation.
The person I'm thinking of, his mother didn't want him to go at all. He wound up in the Pacific (IIRC) but never saw combat. Still, such amazing courage by him and his friends to join up.
I'm a lefty and all and a pacifist, basically, and I hate war, but I have a lot of military in my family and amongst friends and I have nothing but purest respect, admiration, and support for our troops.
447 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:11:48am |
re: #445 Spenser (with an S)
Cheers, updinged you back to say hi.
448 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:13:58am |
Brb, dinnar.
If you've ever heard of/like Pokémon, I drew something that may or may not get me hanged in Iran.
449 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:06am |
re: #444 laZardo
Society still follows the rule that the people who make large amounts of money already pretty much had that amount of money to start with..
To make it, you need a requisite amount of capital; lacking that or access to it, and it doesn't matter how hard you work or how much you save.
There are really four "classes" in America defined largely in terms of access to credit. There are those who can't get it, or only at loan-shark rates. Those are the genuinely impoverished, but that group is remarkably small. Then there is the lower middle class, which is basically poor people with credit. The upper middle class are those with good incomes and access to credit, but it's worth noting that their access is not substantially greater than the folks below them but significantly lower that that of the true rich.
The rich have access to vast reserves of capital that are simply out of reach of ordinary working stiffs. Now that access changes -- during the 90s we saw an increasingly widening group in society having access to those reserves, but the spiggot was tightened of late. The rich, moreover, are able to produce wealth through their access in ways that the upper middle class cannot. UMC folks discovered that all their borrowing made them debtors and they lost the McMansions; the rich still made money.
So the question is: who decides who gets access?
450 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:15:56am |
re: #448 laZardo
That sound you hear is the crane truck pulling up outside your house ...
454 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:26:44am |
re: #449 Lucius Septimius
So the question is: who decides who gets access?
The same people who have always decided. Your nic attests to your knowledge of this, I'd think.
BTW, loved your comment, but the demarcation you draw between lower and upper middle class was a bit too stark for me. I know it's a silly cliche to say "it's who you know" but in the middle class, that is a major line--and it is one that separates the lower from the upper in your schematic.
You call your brother the lawyer when you need legal advice, your dad the doctor for medical, someone else for insurance help, someone else for advice on mechanics. You're in this web of networks-- not in some "old boy network", but a kind of community safety net that people in that group take for granted. "My car broke down, who do I call?" -- people in the 'lower' bracket get systematically shafted all the time, not only because they don't have funds but because they don't have access to the same kind of help and advice.
455 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:26:49am |
The be fruitful and multiply thing, wur doin it rite.
456 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:26:50am |
So these "czars" we get to pay for? Totally unaccountable, even to our patsies on the hill. More than 3 dozen of them? With a couple of notable exceptions, their salaries are between $150k-172k. Plus, 35 states have their own Stimulus Czars at about $100k ea. Vermont's the exception as their guy would only accept minimum wage more along the lines of the experts used by FDR in WWII who helped out for $1/yr.
457 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:30:05am |
re: #456 Spenser (with an S)
So these "czars" we get to pay for? Totally unaccountable, even to our patsies on the hill.
This isn't true. "czar" is basically a media title meaning "person is charge of stuff".
Obama only has 3 (poss 4) 'czars' in the sense that they 1) have the title of special envoy/special advisor and 2) aren't accountable/can't be subpeonaed.
BTW, Bush had the same amount.
458 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:30:24am |
"The first aim of every constitution should be to obtain rulers with wisdom and virture to discern and pursue the common good, and to make provision to keep the virtuous while holding the public trust" (Hamilton or Madison) Federalist Papers. Are these just words?
459 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:33:34am |
re: #457 iceweasel
From the liberal Atlanta Journal and Constitution- Among others I can find...
Obama has appointed nearly three dozen “czars” — an unofficial name for special aide — to oversee policy areas. Their salaries are apparently paid by the White House, funded by taxes. Critics, including U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), say the special aides duplicate duties carried out by Cabinet officers and that their budgets are not subject to congressional oversight. Unlike Cabinet members, the so-called czars don’t undergo Senate confirmation. Obama’s steady creation of the positions was also blasted by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) “As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, and to virtually anyone but the president,” Byrd wrote in a February letter to Obama. Kingston has introduced an amendment on an appropriations bill to withhold funding from any czar not confirmed by the Senate. According to a list compiled by Kingston’s staff, posted on his Web site, salaries range from $172,200 for energy czar Carol Browner, terrorism czar John Brennan and regulatory czar Cass Sunstein to $98,000 for faith-based czar Joshua DuBois.
460 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:35:08am |
re: #457 iceweasel
This isn't true. "czar" is basically a media title meaning "person is charge of stuff".
Obama only has 3 (poss 4) 'czars' in the sense that they 1) have the title of special envoy/special advisor and 2) aren't accountable/can't be subpeonaed.
BTW, Bush had the same amount.
Okay, care to name a few? Not that I don't believe you, but I don't recall any offhand.
461 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:35:36am |
re: #457 iceweasel
This isn't true. "czar" is basically a media title meaning "person is charge of stuff".
Obama only has 3 (poss 4) 'czars' in the sense that they 1) have the title of special envoy/special advisor and 2) aren't accountable/can't be subpeonaed.
BTW, Bush had the same amount.
I disagree, nobama has appointed many more, unbeholden to the public, and unanswerable to congress, who wield power over the nation and are all unsupenable because of their position as "advisor" to the president.
462 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:22am |
re: #457 iceweasel
You are being somewhat disengenuous. The media may have named them Czars, but it is true they exist and aren't constitutionally accountable.
Reuters link (not exactly a right wing source)
Your text to link...
463 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:36:47am |
re: #457 iceweasel
The first Czar that I remember was William Simon, Nixon's energy "Czar". At least that is the way I remember it. At the same time the Saudi Arabian oil minister was Sheik Ahmed Taki Aliyamani ( this was during the Arab oil embargo) . I'm not kidding.
464 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:37:51am |
re: #463 BatGuano
The first Czar that I remember was William Simon, Nixon's energy "Czar". At least that is the way I remember it. At the same time the Saudi Arabian oil minister was Sheik Ahmed Taki Aliyamani ( this was during the Arab oil embargo) . I'm not kidding.
get outta here! :>)
465 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:39:36am |
re: #460 thedopefishlives
Okay, care to name a few? Not that I don't believe you, but I don't recall any offhand.
Just a few of Bush's czars:
466 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:15am |
re: #464 apachegunner
get outta here! :>)
Ok. You forced to the internets. Was close on the name. It's a 36 year old memory.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
467 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:45am |
re: #465 iceweasel
Just a few of Bush's czars:
I didn't read all of the links, but in a quick glance-through, I see at least one of them did mention "if confirmed by the Senate". I don't see any such thing regarding Obama's czars, unless I am mistaken.
468 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:41:58am |
Hi all.
The socialist crap sandwich.
The Health Care Bill: What HR 3200 Says: ‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009”
469 | freetoken Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:42:22am |
re: #463 BatGuano
The first Czar that I remember was William Simon, Nixon's energy "Czar".
Hadn't heard that name in 30 some years!
He was a deputy secretary when named to the energy position.
470 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:43:10am |
re: #465 iceweasel
I'm trying to be pleasant and factual but again, I think you understand what I was trying to say. Not that no other president had them (one of my favorite people is Bill Bennet, who was Reagan's Edu and Drug Czar I beleive), and not that they are actual Russian rulers who will take over my village. He has a lot of them and they're very expensive and they don't answer to me in any way.
472 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:44:49am |
re: #461 apachegunner
I disagree, nobama has appointed many more, unbeholden to the public, and unanswerable to congress, whast mao wield power over the nation and are all unsupenable because of their position as "advisor" to the president.
Link and prove it.
Show me the list of those with the title special envoy or special advisor-- because those are the only people who don't have to answer to Congress--and then show me a link proving he has "many more" than Bush did.
I'm telling you folks-- "czar" is a made up title, bestowed by the media, and the vast majority of 'czars' in both the Bush and Obama admins 1) were confirmed by congress and 2) have to answer to them.
Last I checked, Obama only had about 3 or 4. No more than Bush did.
473 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:45:38am |
re: #468 FrogMarch
Hi all.
The socialist crap sandwich.
The Health Care Bill: What HR 3200 Says: ‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009”
Ohh looky, another 'soak the rich' clause here, too.
5. Does the plan TAX successful Americans more THAN OTHERS?Here is what the bill says, pages 197-198, SEC. 441. SURCHARGE ON HIGH INCOME INDIVIDUALS
‘‘SEC. 59C. SURCHARGE ON HIGH INCOME INDIVIDUALS.
‘‘(a) GENERAL RULE.—In the case of a taxpayer other than a corporation, there is hereby imposed (in addition to any other tax imposed by this subtitle) a tax equal to—
‘‘(1) 1 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $350,000 but does not exceed $500,000,
‘‘(2) 1.5 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $500,000 but does not exceed $1,000,000, and
‘‘(3) 5.4 percent of so much of the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer as exceeds $1,000,000.
EVALUATION OF THE PASSAGE:
1. This bill amends the Internal Revenue Code.
2. Tax surcharges are levied on those with the highest incomes.
3. The plan manipulates the tax code to redistribute their wealth.
4. Successful business owners will bear the highest cost of this plan.
I sure hope those rich keep working hard.../
474 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:46:36am |
re: #473 VioletTiger
WHAT?! Can they even DO that?
475 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:46:37am |
For an administration supposedly turning the country Soviet, there sure are a lot of Tsars up on Capitol Hill.
/in post-Soviet Russia, President assassinates YOU!
476 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:47:40am |
re: #454 iceweasel
Oh I agree the line is starkly drawn; but there are networks at all levels, and some of those networks can cross lines. I've seen highly functional networks among mechanics and tradesmen, as vital to those individual's success as the networks among doctors and lawyers. And sometimes its possible to leverage success in one network into entry into another, but it takes some doing.
I suppose one other major distinction between upper and lower middle class has to do with educational achievement, and that is culturally determined as much as anything else. Some folks view college and professional education as a matter of course; for others it's not even on the radar screen. Higher education not only is the gate keeper for professions (and hence certain income levels) but also the formal entry into certain networks, though, by and large, one's educational choices often reflect membership of a network.
What I'm really saying, I guess, is that in many ways wealth follows social distinctions, rather than the other way around. American society (like any primate society) is profoundly unequal; one's place is determined by personal characteristics, but also by membership in any number of overlapping groupings, most of which one is born into. And society recognizes fairly rigid boundaries between groups and gets grumpy when we don't honor them.
477 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:47:46am |
[Link: search.yahoo.com...] to name but a few much more than four
478 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:48:22am |
re: #470 Spenser (with an S)
I'm trying to be pleasant and factual but again, I think you understand what I was trying to say. Not that no other president had them (one of my favorite people is Bill Bennet, who was Reagan's Edu and Drug Czar I beleive), and not that they are actual Russian rulers who will take over my village. He has a lot of them and they're very expensive and they don't answer to me in any way.
I understood you to be claiming that Obama has a raft of people, called 'czars' who are appointees, bypassed a confirmation process, and are not answerable to congress.
This is not true.
[Link: www.prospect.org...]
479 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:49:01am |
re: #478 iceweasel
I understood you to be claiming that Obama has a raft of people, called 'czars' who are appointees, bypassed a confirmation process, and are not answerable to congress.
This is not true.
[Link: www.prospect.org...]
that is true
480 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:49:13am |
re: #459 Spenser (with an S)
I'm not all that surprised that the Urinal -Constipation would say bad things about Obama's policies. After all, he's no part of the Andy Young/Maynard Jackson clique.
481 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:49:18am |
482 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:49:23am |
re: #472 iceweasel
Link and prove it.
Show me the list of those with the title special envoy or special advisor-- because those are the only people who don't have to answer to Congress--and then show me a link proving he has "many more" than Bush did.
I'm telling you folks-- "czar" is a made up title, bestowed by the media, and the vast majority of 'czars' in both the Bush and Obama admins 1) were confirmed by congress and 2) have to answer to them.
Last I checked, Obama only had about 3 or 4. No more than Bush did.
CyberSpace Czar
Technology Czar
Drug Czar
Copyright Czar
Climate Czar
Car Czar
Energy Czar
Health Care Czar
WMD Czar
Education Czar
Economic Czar
Housing Czar
Mortgage Czar
they are linked on this blog at the bottom. (I know nothing about this blog...I just googled Obama czar and found it)
[Link: informpeople.blogspot.com...]
484 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:50:20am |
485 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:50:47am |
re: #482 Charpete67
CyberSpace Czar
Technology Czar
Drug Czar
Copyright Czar
Climate Czar
Car Czar
Energy Czar
Health Care Czar
WMD Czar
Education Czar
Economic Czar
Housing Czar
Mortgage Czar
they are linked on this blog at the bottom. (I know nothing about this blog...I just googled Obama czar and found it)
[Link: informpeople.blogspot.com...]
ya forgot the "regulatory" czar
486 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:12am |
re: #473 VioletTiger
I sure hope those rich keep working hard.../
Certainly, hitting up "the rich" for more during a time of economic recession will do wonders for employment and the economy as a whole.
/NOT.
As zombie says above - this entire Ponzi scheme is just another opportunity for the Democrats to raise taxes and re-distribute. Progress on the road to socialism.
487 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:19am |
I'm holding out for "Bar Czar" -- I'd be the guy making sure the taps are all working properly.
488 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:29am |
re: #479 apachegunner
that is true
I'd be perfectly happy if we all had a debate on whether adding an extra level of admin to the process is helpful at all-- because that's what this czar stuff in many cases amounts to.
Just not happy with the lie that "obama appointed more!" and "they don't answer to congress!"
489 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:59am |
re: #487 Lucius Septimius
I'm holding out for "Bar Czar" -- I'd be the guy making sure the taps are all working properly.
and i'd get to know you personally!
490 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:51:59am |
re: #485 apachegunner
ya forgot the "regulatory" czar
here's an article from reuters that talks about over 20 czars
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
491 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:26am |
re: #489 apachegunner
"Set 'em up! It's Stimulus Time!"
492 | BatGuano Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:34am |
Good night/morning everyone. I must be off now.
493 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:42am |
re: #482 Charpete67
To be honest, that's a list of times the media has preferred to use the term for those particular occasions, not always pointing out that there was an appointment.
The WMD Czar, for example, is suggested, not named.
494 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:49am |
re: #488 iceweasel
I'd be perfectly happy if we all had a debate on whether adding an extra level of admin to the process is helpful at all-- because that's what this czar stuff in many cases amounts to.
Just not happy with the lie that "obama appointed more!" and "they don't answer to congress!"
just as rove was not answerable to congress nor are they
495 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:49am |
re: #482 Charpete67
Ummm, I don't think you want to use that blog to support your claim. Here's the front page. On it are the headlines "Swine Flu May be Man Made", "Homeland Security Training Boy Scouts For Future Employees"...
/looks like a nutter site.
496 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:52:51am |
Okay, look, I know that class envy is alive and well in the United States today, that's fairly obvious. Everybody - well, _almost_ everybody - wants more than what they have right now. But is it REALLY necessary to tax those who have managed to propel themselves to success? Look, I envy the blue-blood East Coast Democrats who have inherited their millions and never had to work for a cent in their lives, but that doesn't mean I think they should be taxed to hell so I can get a cut of it.
497 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:01am |
498 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:01am |
re: #479 apachegunner
Over 3 dozen not yet confirmed by Congress and not working for any agency or department created by Congress.
499 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:18am |
re: #478 iceweasel
I understood you to be claiming that Obama has a raft of people, called 'czars' who are appointees, bypassed a confirmation process, and are not answerable to congress.
Originally, my post was appalled by more than 3 dozen people paid more than $150k/yr in taxpayer money when many are hurting. Everything I've read, including my link above, says they will not go before congress. They answer only to Obama, since it's the WH pocket their pay comes from.
501 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:49am |
re: #495 BlueCanuck
As well reading further down for more headlines you get genmod food craziness, Luap Nor craziness, and a bit of Alex Jones as well.
502 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:49am |
re: #496 thedopefishlives
The real scandal is that the upper 1% of income earners LOVE the left. That's who they bankroll, that's who they vote for. And they do it because they have all sorts of protections against taxation. Meanwhile, it's the folks who are trying to move up who are taking it in the shorts.
As P.J. O'Rourke says, it's all about "I've got my pile and I'm not going to let you have any."
503 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:51am |
re: #495 BlueCanuck
Ummm, I don't think you want to use that blog to support your claim. Here's the front page. On it are the headlines "Swine Flu May be Man Made", "Homeland Security Training Boy Scouts For Future Employees"...
/looks like a nutter site.
you may be right...like I said, I just googled it. I used it because each of the czar titles is linked, but like the other poster mentioned, the WMD czar is only suggested.
504 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:54:59am |
505 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:55:15am |
re: #498 rwdflynavy
Over 3 dozen not yet confirmed by Congress and not working for any agency or department created by Congress.
thank you
506 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:56:09am |
re: #488 iceweasel
I'd be perfectly happy if we all had a debate on whether adding an extra level of admin to the process is helpful at all-- because that's what this czar stuff in many cases amounts to.
Just not happy with the lie that "obama appointed more!" and "they don't answer to congress!"
Only problem is that he did and they don't!
507 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:57:10am |
re: #503 Charpete67
You must be careful out there when linking web pages to support your argument. That's why when something is thrown on the table I will double check my rebuttal links.
/been caught out a few times myself.
508 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:57:16am |
re: #493 laZardo
To be honest, that's a list of times the media has preferred to use the term for those particular occasions, not always pointing out that there was an appointment.
The WMD Czar, for example, is suggested, not named.
Exactly. BC pointed out it's a wacko site, but the real point here is that czar is a madeup title the media bestows because it's shorter, sexier, and snappier than saying "advisor to the president on blah blah blah"
If you're worried about the confirmation process/subpoena issue, look at the people with the title special envoy or special advisor.
Those are the only ones who bypass all that-- and last I checked Obama only had 3. One is an advisor on Somalia. It's really not something to lose it over.
509 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:58:01am |
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (71 degrees going up to 73 degrees) and damp, grey skied Charlotte!
Me and Mom are doing ok today, how is everyone else doing?
510 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:58:08am |
re: #504 FrogMarch
PhRMA’s participation is key, because the group has promised to kick in as much as $150 million for advertising and grassroots activity to help pass the president’s plan.
yeah- grassroots only counts if you are washed 150 million dollars for the big socialist.
511 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:58:17am |
re: #508 iceweasel
Actually Lazardo linked to a news site. Not the crazy site that was first linked.
512 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:58:32am |
Morning all.
I see that Barry is taking his "Obfuscation Tour '09" to Montana today. Can we play a game of "pick the plant" during the Q+A session? If that girl from NH shows up again, bonus points for Id'ing her.
513 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:58:57am |
514 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:59:01am |
re: #509 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a coolish (71 degrees going up to 73 degrees) and damp, grey skied Charlotte!
Me and Mom are doing ok today, how is everyone else doing?
mornng RW glad to hear that, keep it up will ya?
515 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 5:59:11am |
re: #488 iceweasel
Just not happy with the lie that "obama appointed more!" and "they don't answer to congress!"
Please show me where I'm wrong, but I've researched this and have shown you articles from liberal sources so please don't tell people I'm lying to you.
Obama has appointed nearly three dozen “czars” — an unofficial name for special aide — to oversee policy areas. Their salaries are apparently paid by the White House, funded by taxes. Critics, including U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), say the special aides duplicate duties carried out by Cabinet officers and that their budgets are not subject to congressional oversight. Unlike Cabinet members, the so-called czars don’t undergo Senate confirmation. Obama’s steady creation of the positions was also blasted by Sen. Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) “As presidential assistants and advisers, these White House staffers are not accountable for their actions to the Congress, to cabinet officials, and to virtually anyone but the president,”
516 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00:04am |
re: #499 Spenser (with an S)
Originally, my post was appalled by more than 3 dozen people paid more than $150k/yr in taxpayer money when many are hurting. Everything I've read, including my link above, says they will not go before congress. They answer only to Obama, since it's the WH pocket their pay comes from.
You're reading the wrong things.
Seriously.
For example, John Holdren, the 'science czar', had to be confirmed and is answerable to congress et al.
517 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00:17am |
at the end of the day, both administrations surround themselves with people who's power probably would be better measured by whether or not they have the ear of the president. I would imagine Condi Rice had more influence on Bush than HRC has on Obama.
I would also imagine there are people that Obama wants advising him, but he doesn't want them in a position to have to go through confirmation because they have an illegal cleaning their house, but still wants them there because he values them. I would think Bush did the same.
518 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:00:27am |
re: #513 Lucius Septimius
Hey, howdy back atcha Lucius! Good to see you again!
How are you and yours doing?
519 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:01:21am |
re: #507 BlueCanuck
You must be careful out there when linking web pages to support your argument. That's why when something is thrown on the table I will double check my rebuttal links.
/been caught out a few times myself.
got it...but the titles link to outside sites..., but your point is well taken.
520 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:01:21am |
re: #514 apachegunner
Hey Guns - I'm doing my best to keep it up! How are y'all doing today?
521 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:01:29am |
I predict future happiness for Americans
if they can prevent the Government
from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretence of taking
care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
That about sums it up!!
522 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:01:51am |
re: #520 realwest
Hey Guns - I'm doing my best to keep it up! How are y'all doing today?
doing fine partner!
523 | Lucius Septimius Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:02:30am |
re: #518 realwest
Ok, I guess. Busier than a one-armed paper hanger.
524 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:03:14am |
re: #511 BlueCanuck
I'm not really that concerned though. Appointing 'czars' seems to be a tradition for Presidents these days.
525 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:03:37am |
re: #521 reloadingisnotahobby
I predict future happiness for Americans
if they can prevent the Government
from wasting the labors of the
people under the pretence of taking
care of them.Thomas Jefferson
That about sums it up!!
good Reload, got my Federlist Papers, fully indexed, and sitting here on my desk also
526 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:04:29am |
re: #523 Lucius Septimius
What has you so busy? Getting ready for fall semester or didja have to teach a summer semester and are tryng to get final grades in?!
527 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:04:44am |
Some people were asking how much the "czars" get paid so I did some research. I'm currently underemployed and 3 doz. and more advisers getting more than $155k/ yr. sounded like a lot to me. They are not sinister or doing unheard-of work. Other Presidents had some of them.
/that is all.
528 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:05:57am |
re: #519 Charpete67
Yeah, you still have to watch out for it though. Using a nutter site as a portal will dilute your point or make it worthless. Skepticism is necessary in this day and age.
529 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:07:28am |
OH, and a good morning to you realwest. They are forecasting a weekend of summer weather finally. Sun and heat. Going to have to find something to do on Saturday. Maybe make a picnic lunch and go find some park area to hang out and "bird" watch. :)
530 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:08:18am |
re: #528 BlueCanuck
Yeah, you still have to watch out for it though. Using a nutter site as a portal will dilute your point or make it worthless. Skepticism is necessary in this day and age.
maybe there should be a "bullshit czar"...they would moderate a public dialogue that would call out all of the crap coming out of Washington.
531 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:10:51am |
Highlights:
- On health care, protests at contentious town hall meetings with lawmakers are drawing widespread attention. And a majority of those who have heard about the meetings say that the way people have been protesting against current proposals is appropriate (61%).
- About three-in-ten (29%) say they are hearing mostly bad news about the economy, down from 41% in July, while the number hearing mostly good news is up from 3% to 11%. The percentage hearing a mix of good and bad is largely unchanged (59% now; 56% in July).
- Despite strong interest in news about the economy, the public again followed news about the health care debate more closely than any other major story last week (36%). About two-in-ten (21%) say they followed reports about the economy most closely, making these the week’s top stories.
- Nearly eight-in-ten say they heard a lot (49%) or a little (29%) about the at-times angry community meetings. By a 58% to 43% margin, Republicans were more likely than Democrats to say they heard a lot about the protests over health care at town hall meetings.
- Of those who had heard at least a little about the meetings, 61% say they think the way people have been protesting is appropriate; 34% say they see the protests as inappropriate. Not surprisingly, there is a large partisan divide: 80% of Republicans see the protests as appropriate, compared with 40% of Democrats and 64% of independents. A majority of Democrats (56%) say the way people have been protesting is inappropriate, compared with 15% of Republicans and 30% of independents.
More at the link.
532 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:19am |
re: #530 Charpete67
maybe there should be a "bullshit czar"...they would moderate a public dialogue that would call out all of the crap coming out of Washington.
That's our job. You don't want the government involved in that. Take everything a politician says and fine strain it for any nuggets of truth.
533 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:34am |
re: #529 BlueCanuck
Hey Blue! I'm glad SOMEBODY is gonna have some summer weather! I envy your being able to bird watching picknick! Just remember to bring a cooler with those otherwise God awful Wine Coolers with ya; iirc it helps get the birds you're watching somewhat closer, especially on a hot day!
534 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:11:43am |
re: #515 Spenser (with an S)
Sorry Spenser-- I'm not saying you're lying. I believe you're mistaken, but I know you're not lying and wouldn't.
btw, I know you're right about the salaries-- i did the same research too.
I'll come back and bring you some links tomorrow, if that's cool-- remind me if I forget-- at the moment I'm a little scattered and doing a few things at once. :)
535 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:12:29am |
re: #525 apachegunner
Goodmorning all!
Remember the old saying,
" Hard work never killed anyone"
Still not sure I should risk it!!
LOL
These for tens are starting to wear me down!
536 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:13:44am |
re: #534 iceweasel
Sorry Spenser-- I'm not saying you're lying. I believe you're mistaken, but I know you're not lying and wouldn't.
btw, I know you're right about the salaries-- i did the same research too.
I'll come back and bring you some links tomorrow, if that's cool-- remind me if I forget-- at the moment I'm a little scattered and doing a few things at once. :)
I think you are right about the confirmation process (at least for many of them). To what extent can they keep information "close" under executive privilege? Not that it would be a different issue for Obama than for Bush since there were some complaints about his use of Czars too, but just wondering.
537 | KenJen Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:14:05am |
Good morning. Check out this smart puppy. No treats from Obama.
538 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:15:21am |
539 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:15:42am |
re: #531 Pianobuff
it's interesting that even though the poll reflects the partisan view...40% of dems say the protests were okay...that's higher than what I would have thought.
540 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:15:56am |
re: #531 Pianobuff
"...A majority of Democrats (56%) say the way people have been protesting is inappropriate,"
This is actually encouraging. More than 40% of Dems see through the smokescreen that Pelosi, Obama, etc. are putting up. Combined with the large majorities of Republicans and Independents who have rejected the MSM attempt to characterize protest as hateful and dangerous, I have to think that Obama is rapidly losing momentum in the polls.
I'll be curious to see what today's HC event will be like. Any lizards live in Montana?
541 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:16:20am |
Election 2010: Pennsylvania Senate Election
Pennsylvania Senate: Toomey 48%, Specter 36%
Thursday, August 13, 2009
Uncomfortable town hall meetings are just the tip of the iceberg for Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter. He now trails Republican Pat Toomey by double digits in his bid for reelection next year and is viewed unfavorably by a majority of the state’s voters.
The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Pennsylvania voters shows 48% would vote for Toomey if the election were held today. Just 36% would vote for Specter while four percent (4%) prefer a third option, and 12% are not sure.
These figures reflect a dramatic reversal since June. At that time, before the public health care debate began, Specter led Toomey by eleven.
Just 43% now have a favorable opinion of Specter while 54% offer an unfavorable assessment of the longtime GOP senator who became a Democrat rather than face Toomey in a party primary. Those numbers have reversed since June when 53% had a favorable opinion of him.
The current figures include 15% with a Very Favorable opinion of Specter and 36% with a Very Unfavorable view.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
Specter has found himself front and center in the health care debate just as support for the reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to new lows nationwide. In Pennsylvania, 42% of voters support the plan while 53% are opposed.
Those who like the congressional health care plan favor Specter 70% to nine percent (9%) for Toomey. Those who are against the legislative effort oppose Specter and give Toomey an 82% to nine percent (9%) advantage.
If Congressman Joe Sestak is the Democratic nominee instead of Specter, Toomey still leads but by a smaller margin. The polling shows 43% for Toomey and 35% for Sestak. In June, Sestak had a six-point edge over Toomey.
542 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:17:44am |
re: #537 KenJen
Link it to the SNITCH SITE!!!
LOL Give that dog a STEAK!!
LOL
I've always said dogs are better judges of character than
most people!!
543 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:17:47am |
re: #541 Pianobuff
The takeaway from this article? Attaching yourself to Obama's idiotic policies is taking the short train to unemployment.
544 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:18:21am |
re: #541 Pianobuff
Sesstak actually acted as if he gave a damn about what his potential constits said...In fact, I thought he was alright.
He didnt answer his phone during the questiions, either..which is a nice gesture
545 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:18:22am |
re: #536 Pianobuff
I think you are right about the confirmation process (at least for many of them). To what extent can they keep information "close" under executive privilege? Not that it would be a different issue for Obama than for Bush since there were some complaints about his use of Czars too, but just wondering.
To be honest, Bush really extended all the secrecy laws and the power of the executive branch/executive privilege.
Obama has, in every single instance, embraced Bush-era policies and theories in that area AND has actively sought to extend them.
546 | jjmckay1216 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:18:35am |
547 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:18:43am |
re: #534 iceweasel
s'okay... I don't want to spread wrong info. I do think you are mistaken on the amount of them, though. And the car czars and some others aren't on the list I saw of 3 dozen because they are under treasury.
548 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:19:55am |
re: #531 Pianobuff
Our hot house flower political elites.
"I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere, but it occurred to me with all the media wetting themselves over the tenor of the town hall meetings, haven’t they ever watched Question Time on C-Span? I realize the ones doing the questioning are other politicians, but the whole atmosphere is hardly polite. Lots of jeering, laughing, shouting out, and the Prime Minister has to stand there and take it and dish it out as well. And these are the Brits! I thought we Americans are the ones who were supposed to be so rough around the edges. Our politicians act like a bunch of hot house flowers at these meetings. My son does middle school debate – one of the time-honored traditions during your opponent’s speech is to knock on the desk and shout “shame!”. If a bunch of middle-schoolers can handle it why can’t a seasoned Congressperson?"
via insta
549 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:20:25am |
re: #547 Spenser (with an S)
s'okay... I don't want to spread wrong info. I do think you are mistaken on the amount of them, though. And the car czars and some others aren't on the list I saw of 3 dozen because they are under treasury.
I'll check again. It's like 3 weeks since I last looked at the list. Will def let you know tomorrow or later today.
(i'm thinking about watching a south park episode at the moment instead-- it's about where my brain is at!)
550 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:20:32am |
551 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:05am |
re: #545 iceweasel
To be honest, Bush really extended all the secrecy laws and the power of the executive branch/executive privilege.
Obama has, in every single instance, embraced Bush-era policies and theories in that area AND has actively sought to extend them.
I kind of felt that way too. When the partisan Bush-era fighting was going on over this issue, I was thinking..."this one's going to hurt on the rebound". I was right. Ha.
552 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:10am |
re: #545 iceweasel
Obama has, in every single instance, embraced Bush-era policies and theories in that area AND has actively sought to extend them.
Yep, that's what I've been telling my Obama-voting friends. Rendition? Check. Secret WH logs? Check.
553 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:33am |
re: #540 lincolntf
"...A majority of Democrats (56%) say the way people have been protesting is inappropriate,"
This is actually encouraging. More than 40% of Dems see through the smokescreen that Pelosi, Obama, etc. are putting up. Combined with the large majorities of Republicans and Independents who have rejected the MSM attempt to characterize protest as hateful and dangerous, I have to think that Obama is rapidly losing momentum in the polls.
I'll be curious to see what today's HC event will be like. Any lizards live in Montana?
I think a big part of it is when they see these protesters, even if they are over the top, it's their mom and dad doing the protesting.
554 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:21:47am |
re: #548 FrogMarch
Do you mean questions for the PM??
I think if we actually had that in our congress..weekly hard questions televised and on the web our reps might not be so contemptuous and our people would be far more in touch
555 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:22:27am |
re: #541 Pianobuff
If Congressman Joe Sestak is the Democratic nominee instead of Specter, Toomey still leads but by a smaller margin. The polling shows 43% for Toomey and 35% for Sestak. In June, Sestak had a six-point edge over Toomey.
Specter should get his ass kicked to curb. Really disgusted that the Dems want to take him in.
556 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:22:36am |
re: #544 quiet man
Sesstak actually acted as if he gave a damn about what his potential constits said...In fact, I thought he was alright.
He didnt answer his phone during the questiions, either..which is a nice gesture
Yes. He was wrong (imo), but credible, service-minded, etc. Seemed like a stand-up guy even if I disagree.
557 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:22:58am |
re: #552 Spenser (with an S)
enemies list: check
IRS empowerment: Checkcheckcheck
558 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:23:01am |
Good Morning, {all y'all}
I posted this on Facebook last night and Erik the Red said I needed to post here, so here goes...
What to do on a plane if the passenger next to you is irritating you.
1- Remove your laptop from its bag.
2- Open the laptop slowly and carefully.
3- Turn it on.
4- Make sure that the passenger next to you is watching your screen.
5- Access the Internet.
6- Close your eyes for a brief moment, open them again, turn your gaze upwards to the skies as if in deep prayer.
7- Take a slow, deep breath and open this website:
[Link: www.myit-media.de...]
8- Observe the facial expression of your “neighbor” and then pray the consequences aren't too severe!!
559 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:23:21am |
re: #544 quiet man
I worked for Sestak in the Navy and have to tell you he is an unmitigated Ass.
He was fired by the CNO for poor command climate and he has gone through many staff members in Congress due to the way he treats his people.
560 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:24:03am |
re: #548 FrogMarch
Good morning FrogMarch! Hope you're doing well today!
You asked or quoted someone who asked "If a bunch of middle-schoolers can handle it why can’t a seasoned Congressperson?" and the answer is simple; most folks have never even written their congresscritters or e-mailed 'em, and so asking them questions during town hall discussions is new to Americans.
It's one of the reasons why I wish there had been the dozen or so town hall meetings between Obama and McCain that McCain had suggested - would have helped everyone prepare for what's going on now!
561 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:24:19am |
562 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:24:25am |
re: #554 quiet man
Do you mean questions for the PM??
I think if we actually had that in our congress..weekly hard questions televised and on the web our reps might not be so contemptuous and our people would be far more in touch
You're kidding right? We have the same up here. I can't think of a single person that watches that stuff. All we see are the clips on t.v. when things get exciting. Most of the time the House of Commons is empty and boring.
563 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:24:25am |
re: #541 Pianobuff
Political trouble? Just jump to the other side. It's long past time to throw out these unprincipled economically illiterate senators-for-life.
564 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:25:04am |
re: #556 Pianobuff
Thats what I got, too..I did not agree, but I admired the way he responded.
Honest representatives are so rare, and I do admire professionalism in the competition.
565 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:25:53am |
re: #559 rwdflynavy
I worked for Sestak in the Navy and have to tell you he is an unmitigated Ass.
He was fired by the CNO for poor command climate and he has gone through many staff members in Congress due to the way he treats his people.
thanks for that rwd, its too bad this isn't generally known, although i still think he'd be better than than ass specter
566 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:25:56am |
re: #559 rwdflynavy
Hmmm...the guy knows when to pout on the pretty bonnet when needed then..
567 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:25:58am |
re: #552 Spenser (with an S)
Yep, that's what I've been telling my Obama-voting friends. Rendition? Check. Secret WH logs? Check.
And just for the record, Extraordinary Rendition of terrorists was a practice begun by President Bill Clinton. Vice-President Al-"Render his ass!"- Gore supported it.
568 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:26:07am |
re: #554 quiet man
Do you mean questions for the PM??
I think if we actually had that in our congress..weekly hard questions televised and on the web our reps might not be so contemptuous and our people would be far more in touch
I agree.
569 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:26:12am |
re: #553 Charpete67
That, plus some common sense. I mean, as a nation we've seen far "worse" (louder, rowdier, more extreme) protests at virtually every public appearance by Bush Admin. officials for years.
Combined with the fact that the only injuries involved have been inflicted by pro-Government extremists, it kinda steals the thunder from the "shut 'em up before someone gets hurt" crowd.
570 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:26:48am |
re: #563 FrogMarch
Political trouble? Just jump to the other side. It's long past time to throw out these unprincipled economically illiterate senators-for-life.
every damn one of em
571 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:27:01am |
Unemployment unexpectedly rises, sales suck, record spending, right wing militias on the rise, home foreclosures setting records, and that beootch Sheila Jackson Lee is still yacking on her cell phone. Oh ... good morning everyone, what are we talking about today?
572 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:27:15am |
re: #552 Spenser (with an S)
Yep, that's what I've been telling my Obama-voting friends. Rendition? Check. Secret WH logs? Check.
re: #551 Pianobuff
I kind of felt that way too. When the partisan Bush-era fighting was going on over this issue, I was thinking..."this one's going to hurt on the rebound". I was right. Ha.
Well-- civil liberties is my main area of interest.
I'm not surprised Obama made the decisions he's made. I expected him to, because everyone always thinks excessive power is just fine so long as they're the ones wielding it.
Really, really disgusted with all the people who hated Bush for the same things though, but now have no problem when Obama does it.
(Also disgusted with the people who loved it when Bush did, and now suddenly have an issue)
573 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:27:46am |
re: #562 BlueCanuck
well..you should have watched it..especially during the last PM and his horror show were operatiing.
It can be boring stuff...but we have nothing like it..our repres can do whatever they wish without challenge if they kiss the right rumps.
574 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:27:54am |
re: #567 Kenneth
Hey good morning Kenneth my friend! How are you doing today?
575 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:34am |
re: #559 rwdflynavy
I worked for Sestak in the Navy and have to tell you he is an unmitigated Ass.
He was fired by the CNO for poor command climate and he has gone through many staff members in Congress due to the way he treats his people.
Wow. Never would have thunk it from the impression he's made on me through TV interviews, etc.
576 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:38am |
re: #572 iceweasel
Really, really disgusted with all the people who hated Bush for the same things though, but now have no problem when Obama does it.
(Also disgusted with the people who loved it when Bush did, and now suddenly have an issue)
Right for me, not for thee. Got that one right.
/or is it left? ;)
577 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:40am |
578 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:40am |
re: #567 Kenneth
And just for the record, Extraordinary Rendition of terrorists was a practice begun by President Bill Clinton. Vice-President Al-"Render his ass!"- Gore supported it.
I watched a part of that liberal wet-dream movie "Rendition" the other night and it was crap, but they did say that Clinton had started the process.
579 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:53am |
re: #571 turn
Unemployment unexpectedly rises, sales suck, record spending, right wing militias on the rise, home foreclosures setting records, and that beootch Sheila Jackson Lee is still yacking on her cell phone. Oh ... good morning everyone, what are we talking about today?
how everything is getting better turn
580 | jacksontn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:28:57am |
re: #564 quiet man
Thats what I got, too..I did not agree, but I admired the way he responded.
Honest representatives are so rare, and I do admire professionalism in the competition.
QM ... Good Morning ya'll ...
Yes he did sound like he was at least listening but he made it pretty clear that he was going to vote yes on the healthcare bill no matter what the people in his district wanted ... he said so in his interview after the townhall ...
As to Obama keeping many of the Bush things about the war, etc. ... I am pretty sure when he got his first intel briefing he shit his pants and thought better about things ... easy to preach what should be done when you don't have all the intel ... it is a friggin scary world out there and plenty of people wanting to cut our heads off ... speeches only go so far and then you have to start living in the real world ...
581 | Pianobuff Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:29:24am |
re: #555 iceweasel
Specter should get his ass kicked to curb. Really disgusted that the Dems want to take him in.
Yeah... I don't think he's feeling the love from any quarter these days.
582 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:29:32am |
Now this is my kind of therapy.
[Link: rawstory.com...]
Heart attack survivors who eat chocolate two or more times per week cut their risk of dying from heart disease about threefold compared to those who never touch the stuff, scientists have reported
583 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:29:44am |
re: #565 apachegunner
I have no love for arlen..but a poor command climate from a 3 star admiral??
that sounds prettyt f-ed up to me..I was AF tho and it's different
584 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:30:00am |
re: #573 quiet man
You have to have cable for c-span up here. Haven't seen the use of paying $60 per month to watch nothing. Besides most of the time I am busy with working or living my life.
/still pay attention to what each side is saying though.
585 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:30:35am |
re: #438 Taqyia2Me
The pundit class sures seems to be talking UP the economy, as opposed to the last 8 years or so.
Paul Krugman predicted a recession every year from 2000 through 2008.
586 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:30:38am |
587 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:30:42am |
re: #581 Pianobuff
The libs didnt want to take arlen in..they just wanted the effect it had until the guy is gone.
588 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:31:37am |
re: #579 apachegunner
how everything is getting better turn
Morning gunner, yeah I feel so relieved O is in charge. NOT!
589 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:31:38am |
re: #584 BlueCanuck
I didnt mean to challenge you personally...and lets face it..if you pay attention you already know the other sides bull crap in advance.
590 | KenJen Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:32:26am |
re: #571 turn
Unemployment unexpectedly rises, sales suck, record spending, right wing militias on the rise, home foreclosures setting records, and that beootch Sheila Jackson Lee is still yacking on her cell phone. Oh ... good morning everyone, what are we talking about today?
Morning turn. Look on the bright side. We are gonna get free health care!/ Go check out my #537. You may get a chuckle out of it.
591 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:32:35am |
592 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:32:45am |
re: #585 3 wood
Paul Krugman predicted a recession every year from 2000 through 2008.
What 3W, you don't hold Krugman in high regard?
/
How are you doing today?
593 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:32:55am |
re: #560 realwest
Good morning FrogMarch! Hope you're doing well today!
You asked or quoted someone who asked "If a bunch of middle-schoolers can handle it why can’t a seasoned Congressperson?" and the answer is simple; most folks have never even written their congresscritters or e-mailed 'em, and so asking them questions during town hall discussions is new to Americans.
It's one of the reasons why I wish there had been the dozen or so town hall meetings between Obama and McCain that McCain had suggested - would have helped everyone prepare for what's going on now!
If Obama couldn't have control, he wasn't interested.
Hi RealWest. Town Hall meetings are just an excuse for the left to bus in paid political operatives with pre-written talking points handed to them.
Yes - The left do not want to debate. They just want a nice, cushy, familiar, softball Q & A - and a red carpet with a fawning audience.
594 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:33:14am |
re: #590 KenJen
Morning turn. Look on the bright side. We are gonna get free health care!/ Go check out my #537. You may get a chuckle out of it.
Haha, I did already, oh I forgot to ding ya
595 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:33:21am |
re: #576 BlueCanuck
Right for me, not for thee. Got that one right.
/or is it left? ;)
Obama does not want to be the pres that allows another attack because he didn't want to violate the civil rights of some jihadi dead ender...no matter what he says in public.
596 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:34:08am |
re: #589 quiet man
I know, it's hard trying to stay on top of federal, provincial, and municipal politics. Especially when you have three+ parties to sift through. Have you heard the latest news about the New Democrat Party up here? Looking to rebrand and change their names to the Democrat Party...
597 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:34:47am |
re: #576 BlueCanuck
Right for me, not for thee. Got that one right.
/or is it left? ;)
Exactly!
I consider the Obama admin worse than the Bush/Cheney admin in this regard--and I am not the only one. Lots of people on the left are saying the same. At least Bush/cheney were open about their theories about executive power and what they were doing.
Obama admin makes the right noises and then does what it wants-- like quietly filing a legal argument with SCOTUS tacking on an extension to the State Secrets act (last week).
598 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:35:22am |
re: #580 jacksontn
re: #564 quiet man
QM ... Good Morning ya'll ...Yes he did sound like he was at least listening but he made it pretty clear that he was going to vote yes on the healthcare bill no matter what the people in his district wanted ... he said so in his interview after the townhall ...
As to Obama keeping many of the Bush things about the war, etc. ... I am pretty sure when he got his first intel briefing he shit his pants and thought better about things ... easy to preach what should be done when you don't have all the intel ... it is a friggin scary world out there and plenty of people wanting to cut our heads off ... speeches only go so far and then you have to start living in the real world ...
Good morning to you!!
I understood his reasons..and standing his ground, tho wrong was a bit refreshing. McCaskil lied thru her teeth at a town hall, Boxer answered he cell phone and the others are out there calling people names.
Not a one will call Dowd out for saying it is all just old white malcontents...
If they are so certain of their plan, the proper way for them to speak to us is just like sessak said...tho I know not to actually trust that too far
599 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:35:32am |
re: #582 Locker
Now this is my kind of therapy.
[Link: rawstory.com...]
Does it have to be dark chocolate, though? I don't like dark chocolate.
:-p
600 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:35:49am |
re: #595 Charpete67
Obama does not want to be the pres that allows another attack because he didn't want to violate the civil rights of some jihadi dead ender...no matter what he says in public.
I'm sure he was scared shitless during his first security briefing and I'll bet there was a little satisfaction in showing His Smugness what was planned and stopped and what might happen soon.
/gulp
601 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:36:22am |
re: #577 MandyManners
...I can't believe I watched that whole video...
602 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:36:33am |
603 | JacksonTn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:36:56am |
re: #598 quiet man
Good morning to you!!
I understood his reasons..and standing his ground, tho wrong was a bit refreshing. McCaskil lied thru her teeth at a town hall, Boxer answered he cell phone and the others are out there calling people names.Not a one will call Dowd out for saying it is all just old white malcontents...
If they are so certain of their plan, the proper way for them to speak to us is just like sessak said...tho I know not to actually trust that too far
QM ... the best line for me from McCaskill (cannot stand her) ... was when she asked at the townhall ... "Don't you trust me?" ... hahahaha .. they crowd yelled ... No! ...
604 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:05am |
re: #574 realwest
Hey good morning Kenneth my friend! How are you doing today?
Morning real, oh I have to go upthread to get your local weather forecast for today. 98 and sunny here today, all and all a very pleasant summer in Sac. Hope you and mom are feeling good today.
605 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:08am |
re: #597 iceweasel
like quietly filing a legal argument with SCOTUS tacking on an extension to the State Secrets act (last week).
Another one?
606 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:13am |
“How does it happen,” he asked, eying the parade of lissome ladies who wandered past, “that all these beautiful women are all escorted by losers. Cheap leeches. How do they hang on to women far better than they are, how?” I considered the question momentarily and answered: “easy, it’s the bihag ng pagibig phenomenon“. “The what?” he asked me to explain. I said, “have you ever had a woman take you aside for advice and tell you that she can’t stand her boy friend? That he’s a good for nothing; takes her money; cheats on her; lies. Until finally you ask the obvious question: ‘why not leave him?’ only to get the answer: ‘but I still love him’. But I still love him.” I chuckled. I said, “that’s what bihag ng pag-ibig means. It means “the slave to love.” He turned the answer over in his mind for a while and finally he turned to me and asked, “can we play that game?” “Never,” I answered, “because we can’t take ourselves seriously. I mean, look at us. We look like a couple of clowns. And we’d hate ourselves for doing it, even if we could.”
Camille Paglia, writing in Salon, concludes that “I still love him” in an article describing the lies, deceit and imbecilities of Barack Obama’s health care program. And why does she think this, after listing out his catastrophic public policy? Well, because the President is so handsome and well spoken, that’s why.
607 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:29am |
608 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:43am |
re: #596 BlueCanuck
I haven't kept up so much with your politics this year, so no I haven't seen that. Also I agree it is hard to keep up with the three parties and the factions within..I thought Quebec was going to pull out for sure a couple of times..my Canadian friends always say that is just them blow smoke
609 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:45am |
re: #603 JacksonTn
Never ask a question if you don't want the answer.
610 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:37:54am |
re: #595 Charpete67
Obama does not want to be the pres that allows another attack because he didn't want to violate the civil rights of some jihadi dead ender...no matter what he says in public.
why would anyone attack, he is giving what they want already. if he keeps the course steady we'll be listening to the call to morning prayers all over the america, no need to kill anymore innocent people
612 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:38:19am |
re: #580 jacksontn
Good morning jacksontn!
Well you know there have always been (at least) two schools of thought about what Congresscritters should do: a) vote the way their constituents wish them to as they are "representatives" of the people and b) vote the congresscritter's own mind, because the people elected him/her based upon what he/she said during the campaign.
To be candid, although the ideal of a) appeals to me, in today's world, it seems to me that we often wind up with b) voting for someone we exepect to do the right thing whether or not we ever communicate with 'em directly or not.
OF course, that's two different ideals; the MSM and political money and have sorta skewed those views of repesentational democracy.
613 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:38:29am |
re: #574 realwest
Hey real! I'm doing fine, thanks. Beautiful summer weather has finally arrived in Toronto. Shame I have to work. I hope you are feeling well today.
614 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:38:42am |
re: #610 apachegunner
why would anyone attack, he is giving what they want already. if he keeps the course steady we'll be listening to the call to morning prayers all over the america, no need to kill anymore innocent people
...yes...I forgot...problem solved...///...mess cleaned up...
615 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:39:01am |
Sometimes it's okay to just drop the rope.
616 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:39:02am |
617 | reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:40:06am |
re: #597 iceweasel
. . .
Obama admin makes the right noises and then does what it wants-- like quietly filing a legal argument with SCOTUS tacking on an extension to the State Secrets act (last week).
And that right there is why so many of us on the right have so little trust in Obama.
Morning, all!
And also goodbye for now, have to leave for yoga.
618 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:40:31am |
re: #603 JacksonTn
Laughing
yes, that surprised her.
But does it show how the dems expect us to view government?? Between them and the LSM for the past 8 years Government is untrustworthy and borderline evil has been hammered into us each day.
I do not trust her with a burnt out match myself. She should not have been surprised at the answer to her idiotic question
619 | JacksonTn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:40:51am |
re: #612 realwest
Good morning jacksontn!
Well you know there have always been (at least) two schools of thought about what Congresscritters should do: a) vote the way their constituents wish them to as they are "representatives" of the people and b) vote the congresscritter's own mind, because the people elected him/her based upon what he/she said during the campaign.
To be candid, although the ideal of a) appeals to me, in today's world, it seems to me that we often wind up with b) voting for someone we exepect to do the right thing whether or not we ever communicate with 'em directly or not.
OF course, that's two different ideals; the MSM and political money and have sorta skewed those views of repesentational democracy.
RW ... Hey! ... hope you are well today ...
I understand what he was saying about representational democracy ... but there comes a time when the "I know what is best for you" crap needs to stop ... but maybe he will get voted out ...
I WISH THE GENERAL ELECTION COULD BE HELD TOMORROW!!! ... I bet Obama would be back in Chicago with his "friends from the neighborhood" ... and sleeping in church ...
620 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:40:52am |
621 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:41:22am |
re: #616 redstateredneck
Cheetos are passe? ? ?
Oh, noes! ! !
;-)
*shakes up bottle of Mountain Dew*
622 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:41:29am |
re: #599 redstateredneck
Does it have to be dark chocolate, though? I don't like dark chocolate.
:-p
Perhaps we can organize a humanitarian exchange. Your dark chocolate for my milk chocolate, which I can't stand. See... left and right can work things out in a mutually beneficial way.
redstateredneck and bluestateblueneck (ok so maybe bluestateslightlyblueneck) working together to heart disease and promote deliciousness... one chocolate bunny at a time.
623 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:41:32am |
re: #608 quiet man
Yeah, Quebec separtists are always whining about how they don't get a fair shake in our great Dominion. Most of our Prime Ministers have come from Quebec, the party that used to control Quebec controlled the government, they have gotten pork barrel deals as bribes for votes...
/I could go on, unfortunately that would take several pages of the political pandering that Quebec gets. Sore spot.
624 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:41:38am |
re: #610 apachegunner
why would anyone attack, he is giving what they want already. if he keeps the course steady we'll be listening to the call to morning prayers all over the america, no need to kill anymore innocent people
I don't necessarily agree. There are those with a strategic 50-yr. plan, but there are many who just hate and want to punish us now or ASAP.
625 | JacksonTn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:42:34am |
re: #618 quiet man
Laughing
yes, that surprised her.
But does it show how the dems expect us to view government?? Between them and the LSM for the past 8 years Government is untrustworthy and borderline evil has been hammered into us each day.
I do not trust her with a burnt out match myself. She should not have been surprised at the answer to her idiotic question
QM ... yep ... and she said something like ... Don't make me talk to you with my "mothers" voice ... oh, yeah Claire .. you are a mother ... just not the kind you are talking about ... she was just another under the desk you know what for Obama during the general ... she made me want to vomit ...
626 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:42:35am |
627 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:42:44am |
re: #620 MandyManners
I want what's in your coffee this morning...
628 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:43:01am |
re: #615 MandyManners
Sometimes it's okay to just drop the rope.
Is it ok to piss up it sometimes?
/
Morning MM
629 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:43:10am |
re: #585 3 wood
Good morning my friend! Say, didja all get my e-mail from last night?
630 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:43:18am |
re: #623 BlueCanuck
and they are good at it..like I said, as an outsider, I would have bet the last time they said it that they were going...even teased a friend up there that I would try to make sure we didn't shoot him for his views on the US when he became a citizen by annexation.
631 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:43:19am |
re: #616 redstateredneck
Well du~h! It's all about Tostitos now!
/especially the "Hint of Lime" flavor, mmm~
632 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:43:51am |
634 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:44:41am |
635 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:45:08am |
re: #624 Spenser (with an S)
I don't necessarily agree. There are those with a strategic 50-yr. plan, but there are many who just hate and want to punish us now or ASAP.
they are smart enought to realize a strike against us right now would be counterproductive, besides the president has apoligized to them and insure them it was the president of the United States of America to insure no one said anymore bad things about them.
636 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:45:35am |
637 | FrogMarch Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:45:48am |
re: #606 Kenneth
Camille Paglia, writing in Salon, concludes that “I still love him” in an article describing the lies, deceit and imbecilities of Barack Obama’s health care program. And why does she think this, after listing out his catastrophic public policy? Well, because the President is so handsome and well spoken, that’s why.
Sad.
638 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:46:36am |
re: #622 Locker
Hey, you're new. If you like chocolate you are going to fit in just fine. Me not so much - the chocolate thing that is. Welcome to LGF
639 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:46:47am |
re: #617 reine.de.tout
And that right there is why so many of us on the right have so little trust in Obama.
Morning, all!
And also goodbye for now, have to leave for yoga.
No, the right in general decided they hated Obama from the beginning. That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all. That's also why they aren't a true opposition party at the moment, but are more of an oppositional-defiant-disorder party.
LGF is different, mostly. Charles always gives Obama credit for decisions he thinks were good.
Have fun at yoga!
640 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:46:56am |
re: #623 BlueCanuck
I share your general sentiment, but I have to quibble with this...
..Most of our Prime Ministers have come from Quebec,
Only 5 Canadian PM's were from Quebec:
Chretien
Mulroney
Trudeau
St. Laurent
Wilfrid Laurier
641 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:04am |
So I've got some summer pics of the kids that are so frickin' great that I'd like to share a couple w/ lizards. Beautiful Lake MI shoreline and 4 happy kids. Is there a site that would let me safely upload a few and allow access just on the ones that I would link to?
642 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:10am |
re: #636 MandyManners
...just sent that to my wife...I'll let you know if it works...
643 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:35am |
I've decided to attend the first scheduled march on washington, I believe it is 9/12. I hope a lotta lizards on the east coast try and make it
644 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:38am |
re: #560 realwest
Good morning FrogMarch! Hope you're doing well today!
You asked or quoted someone who asked "If a bunch of middle-schoolers can handle it why can’t a seasoned Congressperson?" and the answer is simple; most folks have never even written their congresscritters or e-mailed 'em, and so asking them questions during town hall discussions is new to Americans.
It's one of the reasons why I wish there had been the dozen or so town hall meetings between Obama and McCain that McCain had suggested - would have helped everyone prepare for what's going on now!
Morning real.
Obama didn't want the Town Hall meetings. Too hard to pack with only his supporters. He couldn't get away with astroturf like this.
645 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:46am |
re: #637 FrogMarch
Sad, but it was the basis for his election.
No one voted for Obamas policies and intentions..they voted for the rock star and some nebulous bullcrap starry eyed lies.
The fall from such heights will take a while and the hit will be hard when they slam the floor
646 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:47:59am |
re: #641 Spenser (with an S)
So I've got some summer pics of the kids that are so frickin' great that I'd like to share a couple w/ lizards. Beautiful Lake MI shoreline and 4 happy kids. Is there a site that would let me safely upload a few and allow access just on the ones that I would link to?
I use flickr. East to set up and upload.
647 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:48:42am |
re: #639 iceweasel
That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all.
I like his choice of Dr. Francis Collins as head of NIH.
648 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:48:52am |
649 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:49:11am |
re: #603 JacksonTn
QM ... the best line for me from McCaskill (cannot stand her) ... was when she asked at the townhall ... "Don't you trust me?" ... hahahaha .. they crowd yelled ... No! ...
I found it weird that she tried to be miss sweetness and light after how she behaved in the campaign. Didn't she tell Romney she spit on a microphone?
650 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:49:25am |
re: #641 Spenser (with an S)
So I've got some summer pics of the kids that are so frickin' great that I'd like to share a couple w/ lizards. Beautiful Lake MI shoreline and 4 happy kids. Is there a site that would let me safely upload a few and allow access just on the ones that I would link to?
Flicker spenser
651 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:50:17am |
re: #646 redstateredneck
I use flickr. East to set up and upload.
10-4. We're still on film if you can believe it so I've got to scan them.
652 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:50:28am |
Some more brain food from fivethirtyeight.com this morning:
[Link:Are The Health Care Protests Working? And are Liberals Helping Them? ]
But the real upside to the protests is that they perpetuate misinformation about the Democrats' bills. Forget the birthers -- I want to know how many Americans believe in the "death panels". (I also want to know whether Chuck Grassley, since he seems to be one of them, would accept the following trade: Democrats will drop the "death panels" if you'll drop your opposition to the public option.)
653 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:50:31am |
re: #639 iceweasel
Do you think we didnt have a reason to dislike Obama from the beginning??
The man lied straight in our faces,,and altho I know democrats love this trait in their leaders..Republicans do not.
654 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:50:40am |
Initial claims rise 4,000 to 558,000
First-time claims for state unemployment benefits ticked up by 4,000 to 558,000 in the week ending Aug. 8, the Labor Department reported Thursday.
Economists polled by MarketWatch were looking for initial claims of 543,000. In the week ending Aug. 1, the number of people who continued to collect benefits fell 141,000 to 6.2 million, the lowest level since April. While claims are down from a peak earlier this year, the latest data are weak, wrote Ian Pollick, economics strategist at TD Securities, in a research note.
"This report is still quite soft as initial claims rose during the week and the decline seen in continuing claims likely does not reflect any semblance of real job creation," Pollick wrote. "We know the U.S. labor market continues to move in slow-motion."
Understand that some of the peopleno longer collecting benefits is becasue they ran out of time,not cause they found employment.
More detail
Compared with a year earlier, initial claims were up 27%, while continuing claims were up 83%. The four-week average of new claims, which can smooth out distortions, rose 8,500 to 565,000. The four-week average of continuing claims fell 27,750 to 6.26 million.Initial claims represent job destruction, while continuing claims represent job creation. Continuing claims have fallen from their peak, a trend that could indicate increased hiring or workers exhausting their benefits.
Get ready to be spun that this is a good thing.
655 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:51:07am |
re: #622 Locker
Welcome newbie. Where you located, generally speaking?
657 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:51:19am |
re: #645 quiet man
No one voted for Obamas policies and intentions..they voted for the rock star and some nebulous bullcrap starry eyed lies.
This is as false, and insulting, as when 'teh left' claimed that "Only morons and idiots voted for Bush".
658 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:52:01am |
re: #657 iceweasel
This is as false, and insulting, as when 'teh left' claimed that "Only morons and idiots voted for Bush".
and the ignert rednecks from the redstates.
659 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:52:18am |
re: #641 Spenser (with an S)
So I've got some summer pics of the kids that are so frickin' great that I'd like to share a couple w/ lizards. Beautiful Lake MI shoreline and 4 happy kids. Is there a site that would let me safely upload a few and allow access just on the ones that I would link to?
there are several good ones, just google it. I can't remember which I use but I have used several and all were good
660 | JacksonTn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:52:37am |
Was not just the right who did not like Obama from the beginning and it had EVERYTHING to do with who Obama is ... what he stands for ... and what he has always wanted for this country ... and it is not good ... maybe it was because we DID get to "know" Obama ... maybe it was because we did dig up as much as we could about him and the policies he wants to impose on Americans ... many were not just drooling over his sunglasses and the cool way he slings his jacket over his shoulder ...
to say that it was the "right" that did not like him from the beginning is just not true ... many many democrats did not want him and still do not want him ... and from the looks of things many of the independents who voted for him are now realizing that the "historic" thing was maybe not so great in this case with this man ... he was and is NOT qualified to be the leader of this great country ...
Now off to feed the tax machine ...
Hope ya'll have a great day ...
661 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:53:00am |
re: #653 quiet man
Do you think we didnt have a reason to dislike Obama from the beginning??
The man lied straight in our faces,,and altho I know democrats love this trait in their leaders..Republicans do not.
Another downding for claiming that "democrats love this trait in their leaders".
This is the kind of poison that is ruining our political discourse.
662 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:53:33am |
This is the fucking creep who called Young Republicans "brownshirts".
What's your take, Robert? Forty per cent?
663 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:12am |
re: #640 Kenneth
Ooops my bad. It just seems that way for me. The only Prime ministers I remember NOT being from La Belle province were Turner (months), Clark(months), Campbell (weeks), and Harper. So for most of my life it's been Quebecers at 24 Sussex drive. :)
664 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:21am |
re: #651 Spenser (with an S)
10-4. We're still on film if you can believe it so I've got to scan them.
film? geesh, why didn't ya use a polaroid?
665 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:41am |
re: #658 redstateredneck
ignite inert ignert rednecks turn says
666 | KenJen Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:44am |
I heard this morning on the Bill Bennett show that there will be a town hall meeting next Tues. at the Holiday Inn in the shopping center where I work. The organizers invited our congressman (Yarmuth-D) to attend. His secretary informed them that he said he didnt have time to sit around and listen to a bunch of whining housewives. So, instead they will have a panel of local doctors anwsering questions. Should be good. I plan to go.
667 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:47am |
re: #657 iceweasel
re: #645 quiet man
This is as false, and insulting, as when 'teh left' claimed that "Only morons and idiots voted for Bush".
Sorry, but it isn't..Obama didn't share his agenda with the country..he made zero mention of Czars and government take overs.
Most people thought he was going to give them things and wave a magic wand.
I can link up to dozens of stories like that from prospective Obama supporters. I assume you want to forget about anybody but Bush as a voting basis??
668 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:54:52am |
re: #653 quiet man
Do you think we didnt have a reason to dislike Obama from the beginning??
The man lied straight in our faces,,and altho I know democrats love this trait in their leaders..Republicans do not.
Seriously? They sure seem to like it didn't bother Republicans that much after two terms of Bush/Cheney. Disliking a politician because they lie pretty much means you dislike all politicians, regardless of party or affiliation. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
669 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:55:23am |
re: #658 redstateredneck
and the ignert rednecks from the redstates.
Yes. That was offensive and bullshit too-- and the left does it all the time.
BTW, I also hate the lies about the 'arrogant elitist bluestate people that aren't real America." For the same reasons.
670 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:55:25am |
re: #639 iceweasel
No, the right in general decided they hated Obama from the beginning. That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all. That's also why they aren't a true opposition party at the moment, but are more of an oppositional-defiant-disorder party.
LGF is different, mostly. Charles always gives Obama credit for decisions he thinks were good.
Have fun at yoga!
any credit BO deserves is small and insignificant compared to the damage in the works...many of us did our homework on BO well before the election and had plenty of reason to dislike him, and even more now...he is a total bust
671 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:55:28am |
673 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:56:09am |
A repost from Raellen's e-mail to me about Congressman John Tanner of ennessee and the chairman of the local Democrats, Robert T. Hill, a plaintiff's attorney.
[Link: www.jacksonsun.com...]
674 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:56:54am |
re: #668 Locker
The lies of Bush and Chaney were pretty much expounded on by the left and have little basis in fact.
I do not recall Bush saying someone he knew intimately was just a guy ion his neighborhood.
675 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:56:59am |
re: #669 iceweasel
Yes. That was offensive and bullshit too-- and the left does it all the time.
BTW, I also hate the lies about the 'arrogant elitist bluestate people that aren't real America." For the same reasons.
Of course that's not true; that leaves out the union thugs.
;-)
676 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:57:45am |
re: #654 3 wood
Wood, I really appreciate you keeping an eye on these stats and reminding us of the filters. I just created my own full-time job by working half-time for two software firms who needed sales and marketing help, but couldn't hire FT now. I am not on those lists right now, but not because the economy is better. Also, I am not buying any big-ticket items and there are a bunch of projects on my house that I can't take on right now so I'm not spreading any wealth around to contractors either. Plus the housing crisis can't be over because we've got 12% (official) unemployment in my county and a big % of those people will eventually lose their houses, correct?
677 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:57:46am |
I got yer brownshirt *right here*, Robert.
678 | turn Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:58:09am |
re: #671 redstateredneck
{turn} !
hey {red}, I'm out the door, bb this afternoon with a Luke story. Have fun. Bye
679 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:58:32am |
re: #661 iceweasel
re: #653 quiet man
Another downding for claiming that "democrats love this trait in their leaders".This is the kind of poison that is ruining our political discourse.
Again you forget how the press and the dems marveled at Clintons ability to spin out a lie
Shall I provide a link to that??
680 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:58:50am |
re: #674 quiet man
The lies of Bush and Chaney were pretty much expounded on by the left and have little basis in fact.
I do not recall Bush saying someone he knew intimately was just a guy ion his neighborhood.
Well the first thing that pops up is the completely fabricated case for attacking Iraq. Kind of hard to pretend that didn't happen and personally that seems to be a much larger deception than the debate over the definition of "intimately".
682 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:59:25am |
re: #676 Spenser (with an S)
Upding for working two jobs and taking control of your situation.
683 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:59:35am |
re: #677 MandyManners
Light brown..and maybe silk with flowers in the sleeves??
sounds nice..western
684 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 6:59:52am |
re: #676 Spenser (with an S)
Wood, I really appreciate you keeping an eye on these stats and reminding us of the filters. I just created my own full-time job by working half-time for two software firms who needed sales and marketing help, but couldn't hire FT now. I am not on those lists right now, but not because the economy is better. Also, I am not buying any big-ticket items and there are a bunch of projects on my house that I can't take on right now so I'm not spreading any wealth around to contractors either. Plus the housing crisis can't be over because we've got 12% (official) unemployment in my county and a big % of those people will eventually lose their houses, correct?
my wife and I are just the opposite, we are spending like the demoncrats, wildly. gotta use it before they get it and that won't take long.
685 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:00:18am |
re: #681 laZardo
re: #669 iceweasel
The stereotypes of different kinds of Americans is not just limited to the "Redneck South." There's the "Pushy, Uptight New Yorker," the "Fashion-obsessed Californian/Valley Girl," the "Midwest Dullard..."
/am I missing some? q;
...there's the "really smart good looking guys from Minnesota" stereotype...
686 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:00:30am |
re: #657 iceweasel
This is as false, and insulting, as when 'teh left' claimed that "Only morons and idiots voted for Bush".
Not quite. The difference is that Mr. Obama did not articulate his policies, other than vague references to the need for change.
687 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:00:52am |
re: #664 apachegunner
re: #651 Spenser (with an S)
10-4. We're still on film if you can believe it so I've got to scan them.
film? geesh, why didn't ya use a polaroid?
Well, it takes amazing pictures and we were waiting for them to get better and cheaper and right now we aren't doing any non-necessities.
688 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:00:54am |
re: #680 Locker
Well the first thing that pops up is the completely fabricated case for attacking Iraq. Kind of hard to pretend that didn't happen and personally that seems to be a much larger deception than the debate over the definition of "intimately".
There goes your newbie Karma.
689 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:01:20am |
re: #680 Locker
did you feel that way in 1998?? Cause if you did, you were the only liberal who did..funny how they all went 180 degrees inso short a time.
I do understand that no Iraqi was worth anything to you..there are no "Berlinners" in the democrat party anymore
690 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:02:26am |
re: #688 redstateredneck
I wont down ding merely because we disagree.
/smile
691 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:02:34am |
re: #680 Locker
Well the first thing that pops up is the completely fabricated case for attacking Iraq. Kind of hard to pretend that didn't happen and personally that seems to be a much larger deception than the debate over the definition of "intimately".
errr, welcome newby uh stand to the left will ya?
692 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:03:07am |
re: #680 Locker
Well the first thing that pops up is the completely fabricated case for attacking Iraq. Kind of hard to pretend that didn't happen and personally that seems to be a much larger deception than the debate over the definition of "intimately".
and don't forget, GB bombed the dikes then lied about Katrina...that scored big with the doofi
693 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:03:24am |
re: #688 redstateredneck
There goes your newbie Karma.
Increases to my Karma are fine I guess but honestly I'm hear to learn. Any one with my personal views who expects to have a positive karma on LFG is just asking for pain and suffering. It's all good.
694 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:03:27am |
re: #681 laZardo
re: #669 iceweasel
The stereotypes of different kinds of Americans is not just limited to the "Redneck South." There's the "Pushy, Uptight New Yorker," the "Fashion-obsessed Californian/Valley Girl," the "Midwest Dullard..."
/am I missing some? q;
Uh-oh. I'm originally from Missouri so I guess that makes me a Midwestdullardredstateredneck.
695 | KenJen Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:03:36am |
696 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:03:43am |
re: #663 BlueCanuck
Those 5 PM's did rule for a long time, multiple terms. But the Separatists' response to that fact is to point out they hate Chretien, Trudeau and the rest, so it doesn't count. A "no true Quebecker" kind of argument.
697 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:04:29am |
Would've understood if "Saddam's being an asshole and it's time to take him out," even "I'm gonna finish what my dad started in office." But the WMD angle, that just came right out of nowhere.
698 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:05:16am |
re: #693 Locker
While you might have a bit of a rough ride here, I do hope you appreciate the difference here vs. how anyone slghtly-to-the-right would be treated on Kos or HuffPo.
699 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:05:21am |
re: #696 Kenneth
Somedays I just wish they would leave. Would make the trip to the maritimes much shorter. :)
700 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:05:25am |
re: #679 quiet man
Again you forget how the press and the dems marveled at Clintons ability to spin out a lie
Shall I provide a link to that??
No, I'm really not interested in reading the shrieking harpy today, or a hysterical post about how Hillary killed Vince Foster or anything like that.
Look. You've asserted, repeatedly, that "Democrats like leaders who lie" and other such poisonous statements. You can't back that up, any more than a crazy person on the left could back up an equally awful statement like "Republicans hate poor people!"
I suggest you try to modulate your partisan hatred and think about ways to win an election. Or, just think happy thoughts. You'll live longer.
701 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:05:41am |
re: #697 laZardo
It came out of the Clinton Administration, the CIA and the UN. Not exactly "nowhere".
702 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:05:58am |
re: #673 MandyManners
A repost from Raellen's e-mail to me about Congressman John Tanner of ennessee and the chairman of the local Democrats, Robert T. Hill, a plaintiff's attorney.
[Link: www.jacksonsun.com...]
T. Robert Hill - ambulance chaser. Here's part of his bio from his web page:
Mr. Hill has contributed numerous articles to various trial lawyer publications including Ready for the Plaintiff and Trial Magazine. He regularly speaks at seminars on personal injury litigation. He is a member of the Tennessee Bar Association and the Jackson-Madison County Bar Association.
In 1994, Mr. Hill was trial counsel in a case which resulted in one of the largest Tennessee jury verdicts for a single injury ($6,516,000). He was also lead counsel in McIntyre vs. Ballentine, a history-making appellate case that adopted comparative fault in Tennessee.
Mr. Hill is certified as a Civil Trial Attorney by the National Board of Trial Advocacy. In 1995, he became one of the first lawyers certified in Tennessee as a Civil Trial Specialist by the Tennessee Commission on Continuing Legal Education and Specialization. His primary cases involve nursing home neglect, product liability (phen-fen and Vioxx) and medical malpractice.
[Link: www.hillboren.com...]
703 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:06:09am |
re: #697 laZardo
Would've understood if "Saddam's being an asshole and it's time to take him out," even "I'm gonna finish what my dad started in office." But the WMD angle, that just came right out of nowhere.
sure, sure, your and all your friend just knew he didn't have them right?
704 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:06:22am |
Now I gotta' get busy trying out my new blue eye-mask thingy.
705 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:06:57am |
re: #697 laZardo
actually, you should have paid better attention when Bush was speaking and explaining the war..he said Saddam was an asshole, his regime was pure evil, and we needed to finish what his Father and Clinton had started.
Anyway you should have remembered when ever Democrat said He had WMDs..wasn't very much Prior to Bush saying it.
706 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:15am |
re: #697 laZardo
Would've understood if "Saddam's being an asshole and it's time to take him out," even "I'm gonna finish what my dad started in office." But the WMD angle, that just came right out of nowhere.
...except every international intelligence agency around the world...
707 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:15am |
re: #653 quiet man
Do you think we didnt have a reason to dislike Obama from the beginning??
The man lied straight in our faces,,and altho I know democrats love this trait in their leaders..Republicans do not.
Good morning. Obama at least never played the race card, unless you know he needed it," ...he has a funny name & did I mention that he's Black?"
708 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:25am |
Well y'all - sorry about that but got called away for an important phone call - what did I miss?!
709 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:26am |
re: #703 apachegunner
I've posed the question of whether he had WMDs after 1991, IIRC. They found materials that could be used to make them, but none of the finished product.
I don't recall being shown proof that he'd sold such materials to Al-Q, either.
710 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:29am |
re: #689 quiet man
Yes. I felt that way in 1998. I'm a veteran of Desert Storm, I saw what we did to Saddam's forces personally and felt that he didn't have a slingshot left in his arsenal. Do people actually still maintain that he had weapons of mass destruction? Was building nuclear weapons? Had chemical weapons trucks circling the desert waiting to strike? It was all made up.
711 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:07:58am |
re: #697 laZardo
Would've understood if "Saddam's being an asshole and it's time to take him out," even "I'm gonna finish what my dad started in office." But the WMD angle, that just came right out of nowhere.
something flew way over your head...check out the record of statements by liberal leadership concerning SH before GB was elected...it's all there and I think you know it
712 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:08:07am |
re: #709 laZardo
I've posed the question of whether he had WMDs after 1991, IIRC. They found materials that could be used to make them, but none of the finished product.
I don't recall being shown proof that he'd sold such materials to Al-Q, either.
oh, you didn't listen to him?
713 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:08:29am |
re: #629 realwest
Yes I did and I've tried twice to respond but something is goofy with my email and it won;t go.
Some of it I can respond to here. My analysis of HR 3200 is not yet complete, I'm still slogging through it page by page. So far thought I am very concerned about what I see happening to medicare. given the caps and limits set on paying doctors fee, hospitals and re-admissions, I think there will be a disincentive for doctors to handle medicare patients, thus funneling resources away from the elderly and toward the general public.
With regard to re admissions get this, starting on page :
1 Subtitle C—Provisions Related to
2 Medicare Parts A and B
3 SEC. 1151. REDUCING POTENTIALLY PREVENTABLE HOS
4 PITAL READMISSIONS.
5 (a) HOSPITALS.—
6 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1886 of the Social
7 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395ww), as amended by
8 section 1103(a), is amended by adding at the end
9 the following new subsection:
10 ‘‘(p) ADJUSTMENT TO HOSPITAL PAYMENTS FOR
11 EXCESS READMISSIONS.—
12 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—With respect to payment
13 for discharges from an applicable hospital (as de14
fined in paragraph (5)(C)) occurring during a fiscal
15 year beginning on or after October 1, 2011, in order
16 to account for excess readmissions in the hospital,
17 the Secretary shall reduce the payments that would
18 otherwise be made to such hospital under subsection
19 (d) (or section 1814(b)(3), as the case may be) for
20 such a discharge by an amount equal to the product
21 of—
22 ‘‘(A) the base operating DRG payment
23 amount (as defined in paragraph (2)) for the
24 discharge; and
And it goes on to explain how they do this. On page 287 they define "readmission" like this:
14 ‘‘(E) READMISSION.—The term ‘readmis
15 sion’ means, in the case of an individual who is
16 discharged from an applicable hospital, the ad
17 mission of the individual to the same or another
18 applicable hospital within a time period speci
19 fied by the Secretary from the date of such dis
20 charge. Insofar as the discharge relates to an
21 applicable condition for which there is an en
22 dorsed measure described in subparagraph
23 (A)(ii)(I), such time period (such as 30 days)
24 shall be consistent with the time period speci
25 fied for such measure.
So there will be a disincentive for your hospital or any other "applicable hospital" to readmit you for some time period, likely 30 days, after being discharged for a condition.
714 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:08:46am |
re: #705 quiet man
One particular idiotic warmonger who believed Saddam Hussein had WMD's was appointed Sec. of State by Obama.
Apparently, he was impressed with her assesment of the Iraq situation.
715 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:08:57am |
re: #709 laZardo
I've posed the question of whether he had WMDs after 1991, IIRC. They found materials that could be used to make them, but none of the finished product.
I don't recall being shown proof that he'd sold such materials to Al-Q, either.
and his selling such stuff to aq wouldn't have been a hard step for him to take either.
716 | avanti Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:09:28am |
re: #670 albusteve
any credit BO deserves is small and insignificant compared to the damage in the works...many of us did our homework on BO well before the election and had plenty of reason to dislike him, and even more now...he is a total bust
I'd say it's more like some have disliked him from the beginning and could not see any good if it hit them up side their head. I saw it with Bush, and if anything, it's worse now.
717 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:09:30am |
re: #705 quiet man
actually, you should have paid better attention when Bush was speaking and explaining the war..he said Saddam was an asshole, his regime was pure evil, and we needed to finish what his Father and Clinton had started.
Anyway you should have remembered when ever Democrat said He had WMDs..wasn't very much Prior to Bush saying it.
I was 13 in 2000, unfortunately. Maybe I should've been paying more attention then.
718 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:09:36am |
re: #698 Spenser (with an S)
While you might have a bit of a rough ride here, I do hope you appreciate the difference here vs. how anyone slghtly-to-the-right would be treated on Kos or HuffPo.
Well I don't post there but I wouldn't say that KoS or HuffPo are left side versions of LGF. Just my opinion but those two sites seem far left vs LGF seeming to be right leaning.
It's more interesting here anyway.
719 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:09:49am |
re: #710 Locker
I thank yoy for your service. But you should know that the intelligence agencies of 7 different nations independently of ours came up with the same intelligence estimates of Saddam's capabilities and we knew from his use of Mustard Gas on his own people - the Kurds - that he had no moral qualms about using WMD's. At all.
720 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:10am |
re: #704 MandyManners
Now I gotta' get busy trying out my new blue eye-mask thingy.
How you gonna post with that thing over your eyes?
721 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:20am |
Saw Jersey Boys Tuesday night. Great show! So upbeat. Here's a tune to light the mood at LGF this morning.
Sing, lizards!
722 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:24am |
re: #670 albusteve
any credit BO deserves is small and insignificant compared to the damage in the works...many of us did our homework on BO well before the election and had plenty of reason to dislike him, and even more now...he is a total bust
Uh huh, we did. All you had to do was read his crappy memoirs to realize that the man is a narcissistic personality & far far left.
723 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:39am |
re: #710 Locker
Yes. I felt that way in 1998. I'm a veteran of Desert Storm, I saw what we did to Saddam's forces personally and felt that he didn't have a slingshot left in his arsenal. Do people actually still maintain that he had weapons of mass destruction? Was building nuclear weapons? Had chemical weapons trucks circling the desert waiting to strike? It was all made up.
Oh dear.
Not only do a majority of americans still believe all those lies, -- so do many people who post here.
BTW, thank you for your service.
725 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:46am |
re: #706 Charpete67
Didn't it turn out that the related CIA intel turn out to be false?
726 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:10:54am |
re: #717 laZardo
I was 13 in 2000, unfortunately. Maybe I should've been paying more attention then.
odd, seems like nobama used such an argument, am i correct?
727 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:29am |
re: #708 realwest
Well y'all - sorry about that but got called away for an important phone call - what did I miss?!
You missed your daily huggies from me, that's what!
{ { {realwest} } } !
728 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:36am |
re: #716 avanti
I'd say it's more like some have disliked him from the beginning and could not see any good if it hit them up side their head. I saw it with Bush, and if anything, it's worse now.
he's worse than worthless...BO is destructive...his foreign and domestic policies are in shambles...liberalism will not work in the USA, and you are on the wrong side of history
729 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:39am |
re: #708 realwest
Well y'all - sorry about that but got called away for an important phone call - what did I miss?!
What passes for usual lately. I hope today finds you & yours feeling good.
730 | Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:43am |
Dr. Plant, please call the White House courtesy phone.
Paging Dr. Plant!
Please call the White House courtesy phone!
731 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:53am |
re: #702 Gus 802
[Link: www.hillboren.com...]
The mere idea of tort reform makes his break out in hives.
732 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:11:54am |
re: #726 apachegunner
Only I didn't have any nutjob priests at the church I went to. %P%:
733 | gregb Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:21am |
re: #5 zombie
Dying of curiousity...what company was it? (repl personal)
734 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:36am |
re: #718 Locker
Well I don't post there but I wouldn't say that KoS or HuffPo are left side versions of LGF. Just my opinion but those two sites seem far left vs LGF seeming to be right leaning.
It's more interesting here anyway.
It is more interesting here, but also more moderated (thank you Charles) and not so blatantly hateful as Kos or Huffp.
735 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:44am |
re: #722 opnion
I stopped asking Lib friends/rels if they had ever read either of Obama's books about a month before the election. Too discouraging. Maybe 1 out of 10 of them actually had. The rest just sang along with the press, clueless about the man they were about to elect.
736 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:47am |
re: #717 laZardo
I was 13 in 2000, unfortunately. Maybe I should've been paying more attention then.
LOL. I don't think it would have been possible. I remember that time in my life. Politics was something that happened to the grups.
737 | MandyManners Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:52am |
re: #720 redstateredneck
How you gonna post with that thing over your eyes?
*snicker*
Good night, John-boy.
738 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:12:58am |
re: #724 quiet man
I ewilol atke your suggestion and give it the thought I feel it deserves...
But to illustrate that harpyts are not who I will name..lets review some of the liars the left so loves..Obama
Joe wilson
Hillary
Bill
Kerry
Reid,
Pelosi
Dodd
willam Jeffersonshall we go on??
gawd, that list could go on and on and on
739 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:13:32am |
re: #723 iceweasel
Oh dear.
Not only do a majority of americans still believe all those lies, -- so do many people who post here.
BTW, thank you for your service.
everybody is a liar...got it
740 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:13:43am |
re: #727 redstateredneck
Hey {{{red}}} sorry I missed 'em the first time around, but glad to get 'em later on too!
741 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:13:50am |
re: #639 iceweasel
No, the right in general decided they hated Obama from the beginning. That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all. That's also why they aren't a true opposition party at the moment, but are more of an oppositional-defiant-disorder party.
LGF is different, mostly. Charles always gives Obama credit for decisions he thinks were good.
Speaking for myself, the first time I heard of Obama was his 2004 speech to the Democratic Convention. The speech was uplifting, if vapid, but perfect for a convention. I thought he was intelligent, articulate and might be a significant player one day. Then when he announced he was running for President in January 2007, I looked into his background and discovered his leftists heritage, his dubious friends and associations, and his utter lack of accomplishment. I wondered how anybody in his right mind could vote for such an unqualified candidate. The rest, as they say, is history.
But my disagreement with you aside, I updinged your comment for the "Oppositional defiant disorder" phrase. That sadly describes some sectors of the GOP today. It also aptly describes the vast majority of the Democrats during those dark years of the Bush-Cheney Junta.
744 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:14:32am |
re: #724 quiet man
I ewilol atke your suggestion and give it the thought I feel it deserves...
But to illustrate that harpyts are not who I will name..lets review some of the liars the left so loves..
shall we go on??
I don't know. Shall we go on?
Do you think you can post in English if we go on? Because right now, you're posting in some language I don't speak or read.
745 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:14:43am |
re: #721 VioletTiger
Saw Jersey Boys Tuesday night. Great show! So upbeat. Here's a tune to light the mood at LGF this morning.
[Video]Sing, lizards!
Can't see the video at work but this is my Mom's absolute favorite show. She's probably seen it 15 times. Nice one.
746 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:14:45am |
re: #639 iceweasel
That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all.
I credited Obama for the operation in Somalia against the pirates and other times when he has supported our military.
I have also supported the Treasury and the SEC in their efforts to get their hands around short selling abuses and have championed their efforts to investigate and prosecute shannigans in the market.
747 | Ben Hur Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:14:53am |
He didn't have a nuke program?
He didn't have chemical weapons?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Actually, that's not funny.
At least not to dead Kurds.
748 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:14:57am |
re: #708 realwest
Morning {real}. I'm going grocery shopping in about an hour. Need anything?
749 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:15:11am |
re: #731 MandyManners
The mere idea of tort reform makes his break out in hives.
Yep. He's like a poster boy for the Dem/trial attorney idea of "health reform."
Did you see that the wife of the teacher that died of swine flu in NYC is suing. $40,000,000.
Every other idiot in this country wants to sue and make a "landmark" case. Better not make any "mistakes."
751 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:15:35am |
re: #739 albusteve
everybody is a liar...got it
...9/11 was an inside job...Halliburton...blah, blah, blah, blah...
752 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:15:41am |
re: #736 BlueCanuck
What I did pay attention to was the fact that Gore called for the recount about an hour after he conceded and I was like "what the hell just happened?"
754 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:16:59am |
re: #725 laZardo
Yes, as was the British, Italian, Spanish, Israeli, French and two other nations who's names I've forgotten. Seems like his Generals and Scientists were lying to him about their progress with WMD's only we didn't know they were lying to him.
It's perfectly fine to say that Bush was mislead by bad intel; it's not perfectly fine with ME to say Bush lied about it.
755 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:08am |
re: #748 midwestgak
Morning {real}. I'm going grocery shopping in about an hour. Need anything?
Well, since you're in the midwest with me... my 4 kids go through a gallon of milk a day so that would be helpful. Aldi has it on sale.
756 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:26am |
re: #746 3 wood
I credited Obama for the operation in Somalia against the pirates and other times when he has supported our military.
I have also supported the Treasury and the SEC in their efforts to get their hands around short selling abuses and have championed their efforts to investigate and prosecute shannigans in the market.
I do believe an "advisor" recommend he take action before he crapped his pants 3.
757 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:36am |
re: #699 BlueCanuck
The Separatists are finished. They're an anachronistic joke to most Quebeckers today.
Here's a nice video of a fine song from Quebec:
758 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:41am |
My current stance on the Iraq War is we can go on and on about whether we really should have intervened or not, but the reality remains that we did anyway, and we should clean the place up nice and stable before we leave.
/and that's all I got to say about that. :B
759 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:51am |
re: #719 realwest
I thank yoy for your service. But you should know that the intelligence agencies of 7 different nations independently of ours came up with the same intelligence estimates of Saddam's capabilities and we knew from his use of Mustard Gas on his own people - the Kurds - that he had no moral qualms about using WMD's. At all.
Yup & how aboutr all that footage of semis heading to Syria that we saw ahile we dithered with the UN? Maybe just loads of Christmas gifts?
760 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:17:56am |
Locker we will save this for later
I have to run
but reecall that Saddam was an evil liar who had the world thinking he had the WMDs..and had for years.
Bush did the only sane thing and we got lucky in taking down his regime...given the number of left politicos who quietly supported his right to murder.
761 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:18:05am |
re: #729 opnion
Hey opinon - I'm doing well thanks - and I gather you're telling me I didn't miss much, eh?
762 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:18:34am |
By the way Dick "the Turban" Durbin (D- al Qaida) has announced that he will not meet with the public to discuss health care. Said he will not provide a stage for political theatre.
I guess that makes it real clear who he thinks works for whom.
763 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:18:44am |
re: #754 realwest
It's perfectly fine to say that Bush was mislead by bad intel; it's not perfectly fine with ME to say Bush lied about it.
Yeah, that's actually how I feel about the bad CIA intel. Not a direct "BUSH LIED!" moment as the seething mobs chorus goes.
764 | Digital Display Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:18:48am |
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
765 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:18:57am |
re: #752 laZardo
What I did pay attention to was the fact that Gore called for the recount about an hour after he conceded and I was like "what the hell just happened?"
Our Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, just said something about the 2000 election being "rigged" while she was in a foreign country.
766 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:19:03am |
re: #752 laZardo
What I did pay attention to was the fact that Gore called for the recount about an hour after he conceded and I was like "what the hell just happened?"
yes, and it seems thats the only time the demoncrats lost a recount, it's never happened since and probably never will.
767 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:19:22am |
re: #755 Spenser (with an S)
Well, since you're in the midwest with me... my 4 kids go through a gallon of milk a day so that would be helpful. Aldi has it on sale.
So does Ultra Foods. And they provide plastic and/or paper.
768 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:19:32am |
Anyone know if Franken is having a town hall?
769 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:19:36am |
re: #755 Spenser (with an S)
Well, since you're in the midwest with me... my 4 kids go through a gallon of milk a day so that would be helpful. Aldi has it on sale.
Sounds like you could use your own cow.
770 | quiet man Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:19:42am |
re: #744 iceweasel
I understand...you cannot back up your words so My fast typing while being interrupted is your choice instead.
Thaks for that voctory..I am sure we will speak again soon.
have a nice day
771 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:29am |
re: #766 apachegunner
re: #765 Gus 802
Every now and then on the #iranelection feed on Twitter and assorted blog/video comments, they liken Ahmadinejad's sham victory to Bush's in 2000.
Weird how things turn out.
772 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:31am |
re: #767 midwestgak
So does Ultra Foods. And they provide plastic and/or paper.
Plastic please, with a tank of freon and a bottle of DDT. Oh, and a carton of Marlboros.
//
773 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:32am |
774 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:32am |
*mutter mutter* E-bay is a curse. Trying for a cooling fan for my laptop. Worried that some one will out bid me when I go home. Auction is over in 14 hours and I won't have access to a computer when it happens. Not to mention that I will probably be asleep. :p
775 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:36am |
re: #770 quiet man
I understand...you cannot back up your words so My fast typing while being interrupted is your choice instead.
Thaks for that voctory..I am sure we will speak again soon.have a nice day
Uh...you're welcome?
Have a nice day.
776 | VioletTiger Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:40am |
777 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:20:50am |
re: #764 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
hiya Hoops, you back to work yet?
778 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:21:02am |
re: #735 lincolntf
I stopped asking Lib friends/rels if they had ever read either of Obama's books about a month before the election. Too discouraging. Maybe 1 out of 10 of them actually had. The rest just sang along with the press, clueless about the man they were about to elect.
They do have their talking points & at times smart people sound mindless.
779 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:21:56am |
re: #748 midwestgak
Morning {real}. I'm going grocery shopping in about an hour. Need anything?
Hey {gak} I surely do, but I've sworn off alcohol for good 6 years ago and haven't broken my promise - but thank you anyway!
780 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:21:56am |
re: #771 laZardo
re: #765 Gus 802
Every now and then on the #iranelection feed on Twitter and assorted blog/video comments, they liken Ahmadinejad's sham victory to Bush's in 2000.
Weird how things turn out.
Yeah. I saw those while tracking the Twitter feeds regarding Iran. That was all coming from the silly lefty youth from the states. To be honest, it looked like more than half of the Twitter feed regarding Iran was garbage.
781 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:22:16am |
re: #771 laZardo
re: #765 Gus 802
Every now and then on the #iranelection feed on Twitter and assorted blog/video comments, they liken Ahmadinejad's sham victory to Bush's in 2000.
Weird how things turn out.
only in that case the right man won silly
782 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:22:22am |
re: #761 realwest
Hey opinon - I'm doing well thanks - and I gather you're telling me I didn't miss much, eh?
Same old, if ya get my drift. Glad that your having a good day.
Hey, the VC & NVA couldn't get to you.
783 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:22:23am |
re: #768 Charpete67
Anyone know if Franken is having a town hall?
He could run it like a Stuart Smalley sketch.
784 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:22:36am |
re: #676 Spenser (with an S)
Plus the housing crisis can't be over because we've got 12% (official) unemployment in my county and a big % of those people will eventually lose their houses, correct?
Very likely the could. Also, keep an eye on the commercial real estate market, I think we are going to see a lot of those loans going bad too in the next 6 months.
785 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:22:54am |
786 | Leonidas Hoplite Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:23:01am |
re: #762 3 wood
By the way Dick "the Turban" Durbin (D- al Qaida) has announced that he will not meet with the public to discuss health care. Said he will not provide a stage for political theatre.
I guess that makes it real clear who he thinks works for whom.
So I guess he isn't going back to the senate chamber? Well that's good news...
787 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:23:22am |
re: #772 Gus 802
Plastic please, with a tank of freon and a bottle of DDT. Oh, and a carton of Marlboros.
//
and a case of incandesant bulbs. I've been collecting these bulbs for a year now, have two cases and counting.
788 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:23:34am |
re: #700 iceweasel
No, I'm really not interested in reading the shrieking harpy today, or a hysterical post about how Hillary killed Vince Foster or anything like that.
Look. You've asserted, repeatedly, that "Democrats like leaders who lie" and other such poisonous statements. You can't back that up, any more than a crazy person on the left could back up an equally awful statement like "Republicans hate poor people!"
I suggest you try to modulate your partisan hatred and think about ways to win an election. Or, just think happy thoughts. You'll live longer.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, because I think you are quite clever, well-informed and articulate, and I enjoy reading many of your comments.
But with all due respect, I think you misapprehend some of the comments here. Many lizards like to exaggerate their points and state their positions simply, forcefully and succintly, and most of us here are secure in the knowledge that generous allowances will be made for this style without people responding by flying off the handle.
In any case, the tendency to engage in ad hominem attacks against those with whom one disagrees is a lame way of debating, and we all are best advised to refrain from this type of childish and hurtful response. All.
789 | Digital Display Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:24:07am |
re: #777 apachegunner
hiya Hoops, you back to work yet?
Hey Gunner!
Yes, I'm back.. There are cubes as far as the eye can see...
How are you?
791 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:24:24am |
re: #764 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Lizards!
Hope everyone is well today..
Good Morning {Hoosier}. Have fun today.
792 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:24:45am |
re: #787 apachegunner
and a case of incandesant bulbs. I've been collecting these bulbs for a year now, have two cases and counting.
I try to buy bulbs every time I go to Wally World.
793 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:25:05am |
re: #697 laZardo
Would've understood if "Saddam's being an asshole and it's time to take him out," even "I'm gonna finish what my dad started in office." But the WMD angle, that just came right out of nowhere.
In interrogations after they were captured, several of Saddam's top generals all confirmed that they believed Iraq had plenty of chemical & some biological WMD. This was what Saddam had told them for years. At a planning meeting, just weeks before the US led invasion, the Generals asked Saddam, "So who gets the chemical weapons?" They were all stunned when Saddam finally admitted he did not have any. He had only pretended he still had them to scare the Iranians.
Every intelligence agency in the world, including the Iraqis, believed Iraq had WMD. Bush did not lie.
794 | Digital Display Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:25:31am |
796 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:25:44am |
re: #759 opnion Well I don't think Muslims celebrate Christmas but yeah, I'd like to know what was in those trucks myself.
BTW, weren't they ultimately "parked" under the sand where those Israel's bombed Syria a couple of years ago?
And didn't even the UN's watchdog agree after checking, that there was a LOT of radioactive material around that site after the attack by the Israeli's?
797 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:26:14am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things in Lizardia today?
798 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:26:25am |
re: #774 BlueCanuck
*mutter mutter* E-bay is a curse. Trying for a cooling fan for my laptop. Worried that some one will out bid me when I go home. Auction is over in 14 hours and I won't have access to a computer when it happens. Not to mention that I will probably be asleep. :p
you can set an automatic bid that will stop at a set price BC
799 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:26:44am |
re: #793 Kenneth
In interrogations after they were captured, several of Saddam's top generals all confirmed that they believed Iraq had plenty of chemical & some biological WMD. This was what Saddam had told them for years. At a planning meeting, just weeks before the US led invasion, the Generals asked Saddam, "So who gets the chemical weapons?" They were all stunned when Saddam finally admitted he did not have any. He had only pretended he still had them to scare the Iranians.
Every intelligence agency in the world, including the Iraqis, believed Iraq had WMD. Bush did not lie.
Exactly, see #763.
800 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:26:55am |
801 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:26:59am |
Hiya, {HH}!
How is that Winston?
Is he better?
Do tell!
802 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:27:04am |
Has anyone heard from Biden in the last few weeks?...would that not be a great town hall?
803 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:27:14am |
re: #793 Kenneth
In interrogations after they were captured, several of Saddam's top generals all confirmed that they believed Iraq had plenty of chemical & some biological WMD. This was what Saddam had told them for years. At a planning meeting, just weeks before the US led invasion, the Generals asked Saddam, "So who gets the chemical weapons?" They were all stunned when Saddam finally admitted he did not have any. He had only pretended he still had them to scare the Iranians.
Every intelligence agency in the world, including the Iraqis, believed Iraq had WMD. Bush did not lie.
the whole WMD thing is a last, desperate grab for relevance by the left...the deal was sealed then and they know it...it's pathetic the cannot let it go...what a bunch of baffons
804 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:27:39am |
re: #787 apachegunner
and a case of incandesant bulbs. I've been collecting these bulbs for a year now, have two cases and counting.
Is that the new demon? I use CFs bulbs but the last one when it broke I just tossed it in the garbage. Yeah, that's supposed to be taboo because it has mercury in it. What are we supposed to do take it in our car and drive to the nearest HazMat location to dispose of the bulb?
Everything requires a HazMat team these days -- so it seems. The have labels about every other electronic devices including batteries.
805 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:28:05am |
re: #800 redstateredneck
Business as usual, {yma}.
Hiya, {rsrn}!
Business as usual, hm ... claws sharpened and extra-thick skin on the back then, is it?
806 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:28:24am |
807 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:28:34am |
re: #762 3 wood
Hey since he's an employee of his voters (if indeed not of all of us) maybe we should put HIM on furlough.
Or better yet, maybe Presdient Obama will be kind enough to convince us of the Health Care Reform bills fine points by deleting the exception from it for Federal Employees and certain Unions. Then Dick can hold a meeting with himself for all I care.
808 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:28:56am |
re: #788 Spare O'Lake
In any case, the tendency to engage in ad hominem attacks against those with whom one disagrees is a lame way of debating, and we all are best advised to refrain from this type of childish and hurtful response. All.
No offense taken, and I updinged you. The first to do so.
I agree with you, btw.
I'd ask people who may be random victims of my snark to check out some of the treatment I get here on a daily basis.
I've no problem apologising when I'm over the line, and I can be be convinced that I'm wrong about something...but if I seem much snappier than when i first got here, there's a reason.
I try to be cool and intend to do better, btw.
809 | jaunte Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:29:09am |
re: #773 jill e
Interesting story. The Houston Comical, once again inventing the story they think we need to know.
810 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:29:19am |
re: #714 lincolntf
One particular idiotic warmonger who believed Saddam Hussein had WMD's was appointed Sec. of State by Obama.
Apparently, he was impressed with her assesment of the Iraq situation.
I also seem the recall the UN supporting the operation too. Anybody else remember that?
811 | avanti Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:29:41am |
re: #774 BlueCanuck
*mutter mutter* E-bay is a curse. Trying for a cooling fan for my laptop. Worried that some one will out bid me when I go home. Auction is over in 14 hours and I won't have access to a computer when it happens. Not to mention that I will probably be asleep. :p
Use a snipe program. I set it to bid on dozens of auctions in the last six seconds and your computer does not even have to be turned on.
812 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:29:53am |
re: #794 HoosierHoops
{GAK}
Good morning! How's life?
I know it wasn't to me, but there is a robot who wants to answer anyway:
"Life. Don't talk to me about life"
/Marvin
813 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:30:09am |
re: #789 HoosierHoops
Hey Gunner!
Yes, I'm back.. There are cubes as far as the eye can see...
How are you?
doing well ma man
814 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:30:28am |
re: #809 jaunte
Interesting story. The Houston Comical, once again inventing the story they think we need to know.
...but he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night...
815 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:31:32am |
re: #805 yma o hyd
Hiya, {rsrn}!
Business as usual, hm ... claws sharpened and extra-thick skin on the back then, is it?
You got it!
816 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #768 Charpete67
Anyone know if Franken is having a town hall?
I don't know, but as much of a "joke" as I find the idea of US Senator Al Franken in the first place, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't - hell he just barely got seated in the Senate and the liklihood that he knows about the Health Care Reform Proposal/Bill is something like nil.
817 | Digital Display Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:31:34am |
re: #801 yma o hyd
Hiya, {HH}!
How is that Winston?
Is he better?
Do tell!
He seems to be getting better..no more blood. I'll go home at lunch and check up on him..
{YMA}
818 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:32:04am |
re: #806 jill e
And from the National Inquirer: DNA proves Edwards is the daddy!
Oh, yeah...he's the baby daddy.
819 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:32:26am |
TeamObama doesn't astroturf anymore.
They just use actors and extras.
/
820 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:32:26am |
re: #804 Gus 802
Is that the new demon? I use CFs bulbs but the last one when it broke I just tossed it in the garbage. Yeah, that's supposed to be taboo because it has mercury in it. What are we supposed to do take it in our car and drive to the nearest HazMat location to dispose of the bulb?
Everything requires a HazMat team these days -- so it seems. The have labels about every other electronic devices including batteries.
Our electric company gave a deal to buy some bulbs and a special box to ship the burnt out ones back for recycling. It was a good enough deal that I took it. But even though we use the CF bulbs heavily, it will take me a long time to fill the box, because they last a lot longer. I especially like using one in the light at the top of the stairs; I figure the fewer times I need to take the risks of changing it, the better.
821 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:32:48am |
With regard to a few "Kurd" statements regarding Saddam. Youall know that was in 1988 right? Before Desert Storm? Before we blew the living crap out of him for an entire year?
Are you guys seriously claiming that the reason why we went to Iraq to fight a two front war in the middle of own national crisis was to protect the Iraqi people from something that happened 13 years ago before we crushed him the first time? Are you sure it wasn't weapons of mass destruction? Or a link to Al Qaeda? Or a distraction from not catching Osama Bin Laden?
Just to relate this all back we were discussing Bush and Cheney with regard to bad intel. I also don't mind saying that Bush and/or Cheney were not "misled by bad intel" they lied, period. Of course this is just my opinion.
822 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:33:25am |
823 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:33:34am |
re: #804 Gus 802
Is that the new demon? I use CFs bulbs but the last one when it broke I just tossed it in the garbage. Yeah, that's supposed to be taboo because it has mercury in it. What are we supposed to do take it in our car and drive to the nearest HazMat location to dispose of the bulb?
Everything requires a HazMat team these days -- so it seems. The have labels about every other electronic devices including batteries.
I'd just toss em in the doorway of the local demoncratic offices, they're the ones who insist you use them.
824 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:33:49am |
re: #796 realwest
Well I don't think Muslims celebrate Christmas but yeah, I'd like to know what was in those trucks myself.
BTW, weren't they ultimately "parked" under the sand where those Israel's bombed Syria a couple of years ago?
And didn't even the UN's watchdog agree after checking, that there was a LOT of radioactive material around that site after the attack by the Israeli's?
That's what I recall as well. But look the Left meme is that all wars are for oil.
Viet Nam? All for oil, but where is it? Did Uncle Ho take it with him?
The Revolutionary War? Everbody knows that George Washington was nothing but a tool of Big Oil.
825 | BlueCanuck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:34:31am |
re: #798 apachegunner
Thanks may try that. Although I may have to do some more searching to see if there is another fan on e-bay. Saw another one but the shipping is as much as the part itself. ($22 USD)
re: #811 avanti
Can't use that program. Home computer is mostly dead so unable to install anything like that at the moment. Will keep it in mind for some other items I have seen that I would love to get.
826 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:34:40am |
Morning, everyone.
I've been thinking about technology (of course--one of my favorite pasttimes as well as vocation) and I think I've hit on an issue:
The ebook readers are seriously suffering from an inability to program them. You would think wifi would be more important, but I don't think so. I think the popularity of the iPhone App Store points to something else: people want to have apps for a whole variety of purposes, and the reader market would do well to create an API and allow folks to program for the readers.
Just a musing for this morning.
827 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:34:48am |
Here's some interesting news:
Bloody marvellous Aussies kill carbon emissions bill
From that blog:
'And, in at least the case of Senator Steve Fielding, because they’d done their research and discovered that Anthropogenic Global Warming is a figment of Al Gore’s imagination.'
Yep - and one outstanding scientist he consulted happens to be an Aussie, who has written a brilliant book:
Heaven and Earth: Global Warming, the Missing Science (Paperback)
by Ian Plimer
I can highly recommend that book - even though the copy editing is a bit sloppy in places.
There's a jaw-hits-floor moment on practically every second page!
828 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:35:03am |
re: #796 realwest
The Syrian reactor was built by North Koreans and paid for by the Iranians. A few days before the Israelis bombed the site, a North Korean freighter landed at a Syrian port to unload "cement". Which is odd, because Syria makes plenty of cement themselves and could easily import cement from Jordan, Lebanon or Turkey. Anyway, at the same as that ship arrived in Syria, the North Korean Minister of Mines, who happens to be the general in the North Korean army responsible for their nuclear research sites, was in Tehran visiting officials. What a coincky-dink?
829 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:35:21am |
re: #806 jill e
And from the National Inquirer: DNA proves Edwards is the daddy!
Of the bat boy?
/couldn't resist.
In any case, it calls for a Frank Zappa song
The idiot bastard son
The father's a Nazi in congress today
The mother's a hooker somewhere in LA
The idiot bastard son
830 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:35:24am |
re: #823 apachegunner
I'd just toss em in the doorway of the local demoncratic offices, they're the ones who insist you use them.
Mercury! Call HazMat!
I wouldn't be surprised to see building evacuation from the use of CFs sometime soon. Heck, they're doing that if someone accidentally knocks over a Comet dispenser and walks away.
"White powder!"
/
832 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:35:51am |
re: #794 HoosierHoops
{GAK}
Good morning! How's life?
Got a nibble on a resume I posted earlier this week. A local municipality. I'm to take a test at their location on Sept. 9th at 4:45 p.m. The time seems a bit odd, but I'll be there.
833 | Charpete67 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:36:20am |
re: #821 Locker
With regard to a few "Kurd" statements regarding Saddam. Youall know that was in 1988 right? Before Desert Storm? Before we blew the living crap out of him for an entire year?
Are you guys seriously claiming that the reason why we went to Iraq to fight a two front war in the middle of own national crisis was to protect the Iraqi people from something that happened 13 years ago before we crushed him the first time? Are you sure it wasn't weapons of mass destruction? Or a link to Al Qaeda? Or a distraction from not catching Osama Bin Laden?
Just to relate this all back we were discussing Bush and Cheney with regard to bad intel. I also don't mind saying that Bush and/or Cheney were not "misled by bad intel" they lied, period. Of course this is just my opinion.
...yeah...they lied...they really wanted the war...Bush is elected and then lies to get us in to a war to settle the score for his dad and prop up Haliburton...///
really?...that's what you're going with?
834 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:36:26am |
re: #822 3 wood
I guess the Kurds were lying when they got gassed.
there is a disconnect here that I actually find amusing...defending such a washed up theory...
835 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:36:34am |
re: #816 realwest
I don't know, but as much of a "joke" as I find the idea of US Senator Al Franken in the first place, I wouldn't blame him if he didn't - hell he just barely got seated in the Senate and the liklihood that he knows about the Health Care Reform Proposal/Bill is something like nil.
the guy is too stupid to chew gum, just like most of all those on his side of the aisle
836 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:36:36am |
re: #809 jaunte
Interesting story. The Houston Comical, once again inventing the story they think we need to know.
They know what's best for us!
837 | Digital Display Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:37:21am |
re: #832 midwestgak
Got a nibble on a resume I posted earlier this week. A local municipality. I'm to take a test at their location on Sept. 9th at 4:45 p.m. The time seems a bit odd, but I'll be there.
How about civil service tests? Obama is hiring!
Good Luck!
838 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:37:33am |
re: #831 redstateredneck
Hey, {vx}
Hey, {red}! How are you today? Are you kicking my butt in Scrabble?
839 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:37:47am |
re: #817 HoosierHoops
He seems to be getting better..no more blood. I'll go home at lunch and check up on him..
{YMA}
Thank God for that - I was that worried!
Its one thing when the dog in question is a big hulking brute - but for someone like Winston, thats really scary.
Madame sends her virtual licks, wuffs and wags.
And you must be soo relieved!
840 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:37:53am |
re: #832 midwestgak
Got a nibble on a resume I posted earlier this week. A local municipality. I'm to take a test at their location on Sept. 9th at 4:45 p.m. The time seems a bit odd, but I'll be there.
Good luck on your test. Just some info but that is a fairly normal test time for local government exams. Lots of times folks stick around for a few hours after work to give the exam and make a bit of overtime since paying for testing contractors is normally not in the budget. Once again... GOOD LUCK!
841 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:06am |
re: #820 Kosh's Shadow
Our electric company gave a deal to buy some bulbs and a special box to ship the burnt out ones back for recycling. It was a good enough deal that I took it. But even though we use the CF bulbs heavily, it will take me a long time to fill the box, because they last a lot longer. I especially like using one in the light at the top of the stairs; I figure the fewer times I need to take the risks of changing it, the better.
I started using them by "accident" too. They last a long time which is why I use them now -- I always have the lights on. Not using them because Bono or Algore thinks I should. ;)
842 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:21am |
re: #820 Kosh's Shadow
Our electric company gave a deal to buy some bulbs and a special box to ship the burnt out ones back for recycling. It was a good enough deal that I took it. But even though we use the CF bulbs heavily, it will take me a long time to fill the box, because they last a lot longer. I especially like using one in the light at the top of the stairs; I figure the fewer times I need to take the risks of changing it, the better.
your right about that, I also use them in high places but still don't like the light type
843 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:35am |
re: #832 midwestgak
Got a nibble on a resume I posted earlier this week. A local municipality. I'm to take a test at their location on Sept. 9th at 4:45 p.m. The time seems a bit odd, but I'll be there.
Prayers!
844 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:37am |
re: #828 Kenneth
Kim Jong-Il suddenly being "healthy" when Bill Clinton came over to visit reminded me of this one History Channel documentary on Mao Zedong. Apparently the Chairman was in failing health when Nixon came over, and what the Party officials did was stash medical equipment behind plants and other nooks and crannies just in case.
845 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:42am |
re: #797 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things in Lizardia today?
Doing well, you? BTW, I love Border collies and my friend from the UK has attempted to teach me rugby so I like your profile's description. He came over to Texas in the 80's for a while and he says the rugby players always find work and housing for each other and look out for each other. "like a fraternity with no brains" he says.
846 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:38:50am |
re: #797 yma o hyd
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are things in Lizardia today?
Morning yma. Lizards are posting, can you believe it?/
847 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:39:01am |
re: #780 Gus 802
Yeah, I think a lot of those "twitter feeds" from Iran were just bullshit.
Course, if Achmadinnerjacket hadn't cut cell phone and computer services, and for a period of time intercepted the BBC's satellite uploads, we might have had more of a shot at the truth.
But failing that, the twitter feeds were all we had to go on. And some of the Videos taken by those cell phones and sneaked out left very little doubt in my mind that the ruling thugs in Iran did indeed deliberately murder their own citizens and beat the crap out of a lot of others.
Compare and contrast the Iranian elections with the "Blue Thumb" Iraqi elections.
849 | avanti Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:40:27am |
re: #728 albusteve
he's worse than worthless...BO is destructive...his foreign and domestic policies are in shambles...liberalism will not work in the USA, and you are on the wrong side of history
Both conservatives and liberals have made this country the way it is, and we need both. If you are talking about liberalism standing alone, I'd agree, just as conservatism would fail on it's own. One would allow government to spin out of control, the other would stop some useful government services dead in its tracks.
850 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:40:28am |
Interesting from an Obama interview with David Leonhardt of the NY Times:
THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.
DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you — how do we deal with it?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.
851 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:41:25am |
re: #847 realwest
Yeah, I think a lot of those "twitter feeds" from Iran were just bullshit.
Course, if Achmadinnerjacket hadn't cut cell phone and computer services, and for a period of time intercepted the BBC's satellite uploads, we might have had more of a shot at the truth.
But failing that, the twitter feeds were all we had to go on. And some of the Videos taken by those cell phones and sneaked out left very little doubt in my mind that the ruling thugs in Iran did indeed deliberately murder their own citizens and beat the crap out of a lot of others.
Compare and contrast the Iranian elections with the "Blue Thumb" Iraqi elections.
When that nut shot that guard in DC at the Holocaust Museum there were some false feeds. Some dummy turned New Jersey Street into the State of New Jersey. Happens all the time I guess.
852 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:41:33am |
re: #821 Locker
With regard to a few "Kurd" statements regarding Saddam. Youall know that was in 1988 right? Before Desert Storm? Before we blew the living crap out of him for an entire year?
FYI: Saddam kept on killing the Kurds, Shiites and other Iraqis after Desert Storm.
Congress passed a resolution authorizing the president to go to war, siting some 22 different reasons, including the protection of Iraqi minorities. It wasn't the main reason, but it was one of them.
I also don't mind saying that Bush and/or Cheney were not "misled by bad intel" they lied, period. Of course this is just my opinion.
Could you please be specific? About what did they lie? If you have zero facts upon which to base your assertion, then it is no longer an opinion, it's a delusion.
853 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:42:20am |
re: #833 Charpete67
...yeah...they lied...they really wanted the war...Bush is elected and then lies to get us in to a war to settle the score for his dad and prop up Haliburton...///
really?...that's what you're going with?
Ah sorry Charp our discussion goes back to #653. We were just talking about this statement:
The man lied straight in our faces,,and altho I know democrats love this trait in their leaders..Republicans do not.
So the only place I was going was to talk about lying, which all politicians seem to do.
854 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:42:38am |
855 | jaunte Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:42:41am |
Life in a small office: received in my email this morning:
Subject: Ectoplasm spill in refrigerator
A goodly glob of someone's magenta colored ectoplasm spilled in the fridge.
I cleaned it up.
Don't want the owner to think someone is pilfering their beet goo,
or whatever the hell this stuff is
856 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:43:09am |
re: #850 jill e
Interesting from an Obama interview with David Leonhardt of the NY Times:
THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?
I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.
DAVID LEONHARDT: So how do you — how do we deal with it?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. It is very difficult to imagine the country making those decisions just through the normal political channels. And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you guidance. It’s not determinative, but I think has to be able to give you some guidance. And that’s part of what I suspect you’ll see emerging out of the various health care conversations that are taking place on the Hill right now.
That statement you bolded could be interpreted a number of ways and be referring to several different parts of the health care system. But it seems to me that local decisions are the best ones in most cases.
857 | albusteve Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:43:52am |
re: #852 Kenneth
Could you please be specific? About what did they lie? If you have zero facts upon which to base your assertion, then it is no longer an opinion, it's a delusion.
his defiance of the no-fly zone agreements...oil for food...paying off Pali bombers...
860 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:44:29am |
re: #845 Spenser (with an S)
Doing well, you? BTW, I love Border collies and my friend from the UK has attempted to teach me rugby so I like your profile's description. He came over to Texas in the 80's for a while and he says the rugby players always find work and housing for each other and look out for each other. "like a fraternity with no brains" he says.
Hiya Spenser-with-an-S!
Rugby players are a fraternity - but nowadays, they do ahve brains as well - certainly those professionals who are on top of their game!
There are two otustanding young international players in Wales - one is studying for a law degree while playing professional rugby, and the other is studying medicine. Both are spoken about as future captains ...
And as for ex-players turning to coaching: if they haven't got some stuff between their ears, commonly called 'brains', they don't get far ...
What position did your friend try to teach you?
861 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:44:34am |
re: #782 opnion
Well they and especially the Khmer Rouge sure as hell tried though!
Just lucky that's all.
863 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:44:34am |
re: #817 HoosierHoops
He seems to be getting better..no more blood. I'll go home at lunch and check up on him..
{YMA}
Great news! Hope all will be well.
We all get so attached to our pets, who are so darn lovable and helpless.
Last week my wife made me rush to the vet for an emergency checkup after our lab stepped in a ground nest of hornets and got a few stings - she wouldn't have done that for me!
864 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:45:11am |
re: #852 Kenneth
Could you please be specific? About what did they lie? If you have zero facts upon which to base your assertion, then it is no longer an opinion, it's a delusion.
President Bush, for example, made 232 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and another 28 false statements about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Secretary of State Powell had the second-highest total in the two-year period, with 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq's links to Al Qaeda. Rumsfeld and Fleischer each made 109 false statements, followed by Wolfowitz (with 85), Rice (with 56), Cheney (with 48), and McClellan (with 14).
866 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:45:27am |
Hmmm, I saw on the news this morning that those ruffian Town Hall protestors are really hurting their own cause, like the young man in the wheel cahir & the stage four cancer victim that got the correction from the SEIU pecekeepers.
Public opnion is now trending even stronger against this health rationing scheme.
867 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:45:29am |
re: #863 Spare O'Lake
Great news! Hope all will be well.
We all get so attached to our pets, who are so darn lovable and helpless.
Last week my wife made me rush to the vet for an emergency checkup after our lab stepped in a ground nest of hornets and got a few stings - she wouldn't have done that for me!
So--did the vet proclaim you healthy?
/rimshot
868 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:45:51am |
869 | garycooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:46:26am |
Something more dire than AGW...(ominous chords...dunh-dunh-duuuhhnn!)
[Link: thepeoplescube.com...]
Industrial Nations Threaten Globe Again
A new menace to the planet has been discovered and validated by a consensus of politically reliable scientists: Anthropogenic Continental Drift (ACD) will result in catastrophic damage and untold suffering, unless immediate indemnity payments from the United Sates, Europe, and Australia be made to the governments of non-industrial nations, to counteract this man-made threat to the world's habitats.
Science is Unquestionable
The continents rest on massive tectonic plates. Until the beginning of the Industrial Revolution in the mid 18th century, these plates were fixed in place and immobile. However, drilling for oil and mining for minerals has cut these plates loose from their primordial moorings and left them to drift aimlessly. "The potential for damage is truly catastrophic," said Hans Brinker, a spokesman for the International Panel on Continental Drift (IPCD). "The continents are adrift due to the ruthless capitalist exploitation of the environment for profit. Unless immediate steps are taken to halt all oil and mineral extraction, we can expect a massive surge in earthquakes and volcanos by next Tuesday." The representative seemed close to tears during his announcement, a clear indicator of the severity of the threat.
870 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:46:28am |
re: #846 midwestgak
Morning yma. Lizards are posting, can you believe it?/
Hiya, {gak} - nooo, are they?
Well I never!
Do you have any of those delish nectarines left from yesterday?
(Not that I want to deprive you, but just one leettle piece, perhaps? Pleeease?)
871 | jaunte Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:46:49am |
re: #868 Kenneth
I may have to invent a recipe for that to include in the next Lizardia cookbook.
872 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:47:38am |
re: #805 yma o hyd
Hey there {Yma} - hope you're doing well today - when's your appointment with the doctor from the NHS again? Is it this year?!
/
873 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:48:45am |
re: #809 jaunte
Interesting story. The Houston Comical, once again inventing the story they think we need to know.
Reading some of the comments there (people contacting the school, and the state), it looks like "Dr." Mayer may have gotten herself in a shitload of trouble.
875 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:49:17am |
re: #832 midwestgak
Got a nibble on a resume I posted earlier this week. A local municipality. I'm to take a test at their location on Sept. 9th at 4:45 p.m. The time seems a bit odd, but I'll be there.
Is it a test or is there also an interview? If there is an interview , ask good questions about the position, tell them why the position describes you & ask for the job.
Interviewers like that.
877 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:50:04am |
878 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:50:22am |
re: #810 3 wood
Why you know, I think you're right about that! Didn't that noted Republican Colin Powell put on an impressive display at the UN convincing the delegates there to vote for it (and to enforce the exsting 17 UN sanctions against Iraq)?
879 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:50:51am |
re: #877 redstateredneck
TOTALLY SCREWED UP DOUBLE POST. PLEASE IGNORE ME!
880 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:50:55am |
re: #877 redstateredneck
no.
*hangs head in shame*
I have no doubt--NO doubt--that you will again tromp me to the floor. It just may not be in this game.
Hey, how hot is it down there today? We're supposed to hit 85, which is cool for August.
881 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:50:55am |
882 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:51:02am |
re: #863 Spare O'Lake
Great news! Hope all will be well.
We all get so attached to our pets, who are so darn lovable and helpless.
Last week my wife made me rush to the vet for an emergency checkup after our lab stepped in a ground nest of hornets and got a few stings - she wouldn't have done that for me!
Course not - you can drive yourself!
Your lab can't ...
:-)))
(Hope your lab was ok!)
883 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:51:10am |
'Hamas ready to deal positively with Obama's ME peace plan'
Hamas is prepared to deal "positively" with US President Barack Obama's Middle East peace plan, a top political aide to Ismail Haniyeh, the organization's prime minister, said Thursday."We have an initial readiness to accept it and deal with it positively, but we will also reject it if it doesn't include an American recognition of the Palestinian rights," Yousef Rizka told the Chinese Xinhua news agency.
"The plan should endorse Palestinian statehood with Jerusalem as its capital," Rizka was quoted as saying. "Hamas will take an in-depth study of the plan when it is made public."
885 | Irish Rose Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:52:04am |
Good morning lizardia!
Another beautiful summer day on tap, here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.
Are we still talking health care?
887 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:52:11am |
re: #881 Spare O'Lake
Woof
Heh. But you know, I'd do the same thing if my cat were sick. Lately she has been so sweet and coming over and loving me and licking my hand. It's like I've moved up from concierge to friend.
888 | Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:52:16am |
A load of crap from CNN...
Experts: Many young Muslim terrorists spurred by humiliation
Basel Saleh, an assistant economics professor at Radford University in Virginia, recently studied the socioeconomic factors that helped shape 82 Palestinian suicide bombers and 240 militants.
He says he knows those factors firsthand.
...
Saleh says if Israel did more to help improve Palestinians' living conditions, fewer Palestinian youths would turn to violence."You have to open a new path for them [Palestinians]," he says. "They want freedom of movement. Give them an airport, a port. Don't demolish their schools and their universities. Pay attention to basic human rights."
890 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:04am |
re: #864 Locker
That's a carefully-polished moonbat site (and they said you couldn't polish a turd - ha!). Try again, troll.
891 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:13am |
re: #880 vxbush
I have no doubt--NO doubt--that you will again tromp me to the floor. It just may not be in this game.
Hey, how hot is it down there today? We're supposed to hit 85, which is cool for August.
It's not too hot...92-93. June was a real killer but now not so bad. Very, very humid, though.
892 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:29am |
Iraq? WMDs?
How about, search for al qaeda training camps Iraq.
893 | 96RoadKing Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:38am |
re: #885 Irish Rose
Good morning lizardia!
Another beautiful summer day on tap, here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.
Are we still talking health care?
Naw...! We've moved beyond that to the problem of Manmade Global Tectonic Shift!
894 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:53:43am |
re: #883 Kosh's Shadow
...Then you realize ...POSITIVLY...in Hamas speak,
means "On the Offensive"...Everyone *DUCK!!
895 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:54:04am |
re: #860 yma o hyd
Yes, my friend has a lot of brains and is a natural leader. I think he was trying to teach me fullback, but I have to say, it was nearly as incomprehensible as cricket. "So the blind 5/8 leaves the scrum and scissor-kicks the rapier..." Fun to try, though.
896 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:54:23am |
re: #878 realwest
Why you know, I think you're right about that! Didn't that noted Republican Colin Powell put on an impressive display at the UN convincing the delegates there to vote for it (and to enforce the exsting 17 UN sanctions against Iraq)?
Well, that was before Powell had the epiphany that the Repulican Party nominated candidates that are too Conservative. He wanted a Moderate Republican. What the hell is John McCain?
Not one person had the guts to ask him if his endorsement of Obama
was guided by race.
897 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:54:59am |
re: #870 yma o hyd
Hiya, {gak} - nooo, are they?
Well I never!Do you have any of those delish nectarines left from yesterday?
(Not that I want to deprive you, but just one leettle piece, perhaps? Pleeease?)
898 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:55:10am |
re: #895 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, my friend has a lot of brains and is a natural leader. I think he was trying to teach me fullback, but I have to say, it was nearly as incomprehensible as cricket. "So the blind 5/8 leaves the scrum and scissor-kicks the rapier..." Fun to try, though.
now that's funny! (former scrum half here!)
899 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:56:09am |
re: #872 realwest
Hey there {Yma} - hope you're doing well today - when's your appointment with the doctor from the NHS again? Is it this year?!
/
Hiya, {rw}!
Hope you are well today!
Yep - I'll be seeing one in October ... and hopefully the results from the private treatments I shelled out for will mean I won't need to go under his knife!
Boy, was that money well spent!
900 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:56:17am |
re: #890 Ward Cleaver
That's a carefully-polished moonbat site (and they said you couldn't polish a turd - ha!). Try again, troll.
Mythbusters proved you can polish a turd.
901 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:56:22am |
re: #883 Kosh's Shadow
can't you just imagine what those fools would do with Jerusalem? they don't deserve the sand they stand on
902 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:56:42am |
re: #890 Ward Cleaver
That's a carefully-polished moonbat site (and they said you couldn't polish a turd - ha!). Try again, troll.
Hit the positive just as he was hitting the negative!
903 | Ward Cleaver Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:56:57am |
904 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:57:43am |
re: #900 Kosh's Shadow
it required a lot of work tho.
905 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:58:15am |
re: #875 opnion
Is it a test or is there also an interview? If there is an interview , ask good questions about the position, tell them why the position describes you & ask for the job.
Interviewers like that.
Good advise. No word on the interview yet, so I think it's just a test to see if I might be of interest to them.
906 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:58:42am |
re: #883 Kosh's Shadow
So - now they ask for Jerusalem - not just East Jerusalem - as their capital?
Ah well - since they regard all of Israel as 'occupied territory' - what else would one expect ..
907 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:58:46am |
Good morning. There's a fairly funny editorial cartoon in today's "Examiner" (freebie mini-paper they had out in the Metro, associated I believe with the Washington Times), captioned "The Great American 'Discussion'"
First Panel: Sean Hannity on Fox News: "Democrats are going to set up DEATH PANELS to herd up an EUTHANIZE Senior Citizens!"
Second Panel: Keith Olbermann on MSNBC: "Republican TERRORISTS don't want the TRUTH heard about Obama's, dare I say, MASTERFUL health care plan!"
Third Panel: Larry King on CNN: "TONIGHT... Kathy Griffin and Joan Rivers weigh in on the Teen Choice Awards."
908 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:58:49am |
re: #850 jill e
Hey jill e - from your link:
THE PRESIDENT: So that’s where I think you just get into some very difficult moral issues. But that’s also a huge driver of cost, right?I mean, the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80 percent of the total health care bill out here.
Um, since y'all are talking about Me and My Mom (as we are chronically ill - mom with diabetes and me with cancer) do y'all think maybe we could be a part of that conversation? Cause there are a FEW things I'd like you to know that it is manifest you do not.
909 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:59:02am |
re: #898 coldwarrior
Yes, my friend has a lot of brains and is a natural leader. I think he was trying to teach me fullback, but I have to say, it was nearly as incomprehensible as cricket. "So the blind 5/8 leaves the scrum and scissor-kicks the rapier..." Fun to try, though.
now that's funny! (former scrum half here!)
Oh, yes. "Scrum half leaves the maul and works to the Line-out"
//??
910 | BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 7:59:14am |
re: #888 Killgore Trout
A load of crap from CNN...
Experts: Many young Muslim terrorists spurred by humiliation
"You have to open a new path for them [Palestinians]," he says. "They want freedom of movement. Give them an airport, a port. Don't demolish their schools and their universities. Pay attention to basic human rights."
They have the Gaza coast & the backing of the oil ticks - build your own damn port, HAMAS!
911 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:00:19am |
re: #909 Spenser (with an S)
Oh, yes. "Scrum half leaves the maul and works to the Line-out"
//??
well, yeah...what else would a scrum half do?
912 | vxbush Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:00:36am |
re: #884 albusteve
new VDH...
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]
Interesting article. Having never gone overseas, I have no idea what it's like. But Hansen always does a great job of putting together disparate topics and making them connect.
914 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:01:08am |
re: #864 Locker
From your link, here is just one example of the kind of distortions the "Bush Lied" crowed peddles:
In July 2002, Rumsfeld had a one-word answer for reporters who asked whether Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda terrorists: "Sure." In fact, an assessment issued that same month by the Defense Intelligence Agency (and confirmed weeks later by CIA Director Tenet) found an absence of "compelling evidence demonstrating direct cooperation between the government of Iraq and Al Qaeda." What's more, an earlier DIA assessment said that "the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
Let's analyze that paragraph shall we? The website authors claim that Rumsfled lied by saying Iraq had relationships with Al Qaeda. They offer as proof of that "lie" this statement:
"the nature of the regime's relationship with Al Qaeda is unclear."
In fact, that statement confirms what Rumsfeld said, that Iraq did indeed have a relationship, of some undetermined nature, with Al Qaeda. It's not a refutation, it's a confirmation. The several post-invasion investigations into Saddam's WMD and his contacts with Al Qaeda all confirmed that Iraqi agents had met with Al Qaeda in Sudan and in Afghanistan, offering chemical weapons (Iraq did still possess small quantities of nerve agents and mustard gas). Saddam had also offered Al Qaeda sanctuary in Iraq. The reports did conclude the contacts had not yet evolved into full working relationships. Bush was not content to wait for that to happen.
Finally, during the initial invasion of Iraq, the US forces encountered approximately 4000 well armed and trained foreign fighters. Hundred of these people were captured (some dead, others alive). On their persons they were all carrying passports stamped at the same Syrian border crossing. On the form section where it asked, "Reason for visiting Iraq", the one word answer was written in "Jihad". Now, there is a very short list of possible organizations who could have provided 4000 Sunni Arab fighters to Iraq. The top of that list would be Al Qaeda. Subsequent events in Iraq confirm that conclusion.
915 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:01:26am |
re: #909 Spenser (with an S)
Oh, yes. "Scrum half leaves the maul and works to the Line-out"
//??
ooops, missed part of that. my earlier response would be, of course, after the maul breaks down
916 | Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:01:46am |
re: #910 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Looks like CNN is doing a new series on Islam with Christine Amanpour.
I anticipate the usual white wash.
917 | reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:01:57am |
Turds are very useful if you have a twisted sense of humour!!
[Link: cowpieclocks.com...]
918 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:02:08am |
re: #913 laZardo
Ooooh. Scan/link plz?
I have it on dead trees. If you like, look it up... washingtonexaminer.com
919 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:02:12am |
re: #895 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, my friend has a lot of brains and is a natural leader. I think he was trying to teach me fullback, but I have to say, it was nearly as incomprehensible as cricket. "So the blind 5/8 leaves the scrum and scissor-kicks the rapier..." Fun to try, though.
Fullback is one of the most important positions: the player has to read the game exceedingly well, field all the balls kicked at him from the opposition, run the attacking lines, and kick the ball like billy-oh!
Lots of brains needed, lots of stamina, lots of technical skills ...
(I still think Cricket is far more incomprehensible than Rugby!)
920 | midwestgak Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:02:16am |
Thank Lizards for all your support and advice. Going grocery shopping now.
Gave away all my nectarines and grapes. :).
bbl
921 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:06am |
From the Daily NK:
As the State rationing system collapses...an underground market starts to take its place.
/bwahahahaha
922 | jill e Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:23am |
re: #908 realwest
Hey jill e - from your link:
Um, since y'all are talking about Me and My Mom (as we are chronically ill - mom with diabetes and me with cancer) do y'all think maybe we could be a part of that conversation? Cause there are a FEW things I'd like you to know that it is manifest you do not.
They don't want to get TOO personal! It's all about viable outcomes, dontcha know!
923 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:30am |
re: #911 coldwarrior
There's a man sitting in the front row at the Rugby World Cup Finals, but amazingly, there's an empty seat beside him. Another man spots it, goes up to him and says: "Do you mind if I sit here?"
"No, not at all," replies the first man. "It's my wife's seat, but she died recently.."
"So why didn't you get one of your family to come," asks the second man out of curiosity.
"They're all at the funeral."
924 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:41am |
re: #851 Gus 802
"When that nut shot that guard in DC at the Holocaust Museum there were some false feeds" Oh I agree, and as terrible and horrible as his actions were at the Holocaust Museum, however, I think they kinda pale compared to a GOVERNMENT that shuts down it's adversaries at every turn.
Murdering those folks at the Museum was a terrible thing; what Achmadinnerjacket had done was much more massive in scale - hey even Obama condemned it!
Well, I mean he didn't use the words "Freedom or Democracy" but he really gave the Iranians heck over the way they handled those protestors!
925 | BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:41am |
re: #919 yma o hyd
Fullback is one of the most important positions: the player has to read the game exceedingly well, field all the balls kicked at him from the opposition, run the attacking lines, and kick the ball like billy-oh!
Lots of brains needed, lots of stamina, lots of technical skills ...(I still think Cricket is far more incomprehensible than Rugby!)
P.J. O'Rourke had a great line about cricket, I wish I could remember it!
926 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:03:52am |
re: #916 Killgore Trout
Looks like CNN is doing a new series on Islam with Christine Amanpour.
I anticipate the usual white wash.
But wait... fighting negative stereotypes about Islam, wherever they may appear... I thought that was the President's job?
/
927 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:04:00am |
re: #897 midwestgak
Love grapes - thank you!
Reminder for all dog owners: don't feed grapes to your dogs, may they look ever so beseechingly at you!
Grapes and raisins can damage their kidneys, and can be lethal.
930 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:04:59am |
re: #919 yma o hyd
(I still think Cricket is far more incomprehensible than Rugby!)
Have you read Bill Bryson's riff on Cricket? Hilarious.
932 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:05:22am |
re: #898 coldwarrior
now that's funny! (former scrum half here!)
Hiya, scrummie!
What club did you play for?
What country do you support?
Who, do you think, is the best scrummie in the NH right now?
933 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:05:35am |
re: #907 Occasional Reader
At least Larry King is carrying some serious news!
934 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:05:39am |
re: #930 Spenser (with an S)
Have you read Bill Bryson's riff on Cricket? Hilarious.
i tivo'd the Ashes series, getting ready to put it on now.
935 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:06:51am |
re: #911 coldwarrior
well, yeah...what else would a scrum half do?
Distribute the ball from the base of the scrum?
;-)
936 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:07:17am |
re: #905 midwestgak
Good advise. No word on the interview yet, so I think it's just a test to see if I might be of interest to them.
Probably it is just a test.
When you advance to the interview , be assertive in a plesant way & make the interviewers job easier.
I have interviewd applicants & at times I just want to say, "Tell me why, I should hire you? Tell me that you want this job?"
937 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:07:22am |
re: #931 buzzsawmonkey
A load of crap indeed.
Just by the way, the universities he is talking about were built for them by Israel.
But the joos keep shutting down their frat parties! IT'S GENOCIDE, I TELLSYA!
938 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:07:32am |
re: #932 yma o hyd
Hiya, scrummie!
What club did you play for?
What country do you support?
Who, do you think, is the best scrummie in the NH right now?
us army
love the all blacks, such a small population, such magnificent ruggers
i have a soft spot for januarie from SA, but he's just about done now
939 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:07:48am |
re: #933 Kenneth
One of my little brothers bears a curious resemblance to Nick Jonas.
I'm not making this up. o__O
940 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:07:53am |
New limerick:
Pat Robertson begs on teevee:
"Send your almighty dollars to me!
Cash in hand, I shall pray
That your ills drop away.
No such luck? It's God's will! Teeheehee.
941 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:08:13am |
re: #935 yma o hyd
Distribute the ball from the base of the scrum?
;-)
making sure that the ball is fed straight :)
942 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:08:14am |
re: #937 Occasional Reader
But the joos keep shutting down their frat parties! IT'S GENOCIDE, I TELLSYA!
"Don't oppress me, brah!"
944 | apachegunner Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:08:57am |
946 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:09:19am |
re: #693 Locker
Increases to my Karma are fine I guess but honestly I'm hear to learn. Any one with my personal views who expects to have a positive karma on LFG is just asking for pain and suffering. It's all good.
You know so much about karma and stuff. What handle did you use before you were banned the last time?
947 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:09:24am |
re: #934 coldwarrior
i tivo'd the Ashes series, getting ready to put it on now.
Don't you dare!
Its not over yet - series is a draw, so far!
(Thats all I know about it - disregard me ...)
948 | garycooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:09:35am |
re: #827 yma o hyd
Ya think the AGW-ites aren't incensed over Plimer's book, and ratcheting up the rhetoric to near-Bush-Derangement-Syndrome levels of rage?
Think again: [Link: scienceblogs.com...]
949 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:09:44am |
re: #931 buzzsawmonkey
Meanwhile, some sanity is breaking in...
Major Arab reporter calls for Palestinian Arab resettlement
Opposition to [refugee] resettlement is specious; it is tantamount to the slow murder of the Palestinians…"
These countries must stop treating the Palestinians like a plague, using slogans which, as we all know, have become nothing but empty utterances in a loathsome struggle. We must break the isolation of the Palestinians in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan. A Palestinian should be made to feel like a welcome and dear guest - before some external intervention comes along and grants him the right to live in dignity, to everyone's consternation. "We must support the Palestinians like the West supported the Jews. We must reassess the whole idea of refugee camps, before they collapse on top of us. Be God-fearing [in handling the issue of] the refugee camp dwellers. Stop fighting at the expense of the Palestinian people's dignity.
951 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:10:19am |
re: #943 buzzsawmonkey
How can they have frat parties without beer?
Abu Otter and Muhammad al-Blutarsky always find a way.
952 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:10:51am |
"God forgive me, but an old person without money is pathetic."
- Simon & Garfunkel, Bookends
And scared shitless, too.
953 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:11:32am |
re: #947 yma o hyd
Don't you dare!
Its not over yet - series is a draw, so far!(Thats all I know about it - disregard me ...)
i'm still trying to understand cricket like i understand baseball...just gimme a few decades!
954 | BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:11:56am |
re: #937 Occasional Reader
But the joos keep shutting down their frat parties! IT'S GENOCIDE, I TELLSYA!
Makes me wonder what a Palestinian version of Animal House would look like. No beer, no playing cards, no peeking at the sorority pillow fights. But the ROTC training sketch would last a good 120 minutes.
955 | garycooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:12:07am |
re: #876 vxbush
So, what are we supposed to offset, then: limestone, instead of carbon?
/
Lime-Ade, instead of grape Kool-Ade. ;)
956 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:12:39am |
re: #953 coldwarrior
i'm still trying to understand cricket like i understand baseball...just gimme a few decades!
Isn't cricket the game with the field positions entitled "Silly"? At least an MLB catcher gets a mask and a chest protector. Crazy stuff.
957 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:13:10am |
re: #954 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Makes me wonder what a Palestinian version of Animal House would look like. No beer, no playing cards, no peeking at the sorority pillow fights. But the ROTC training sketch would last a good 120 minutes.
All that jumping through flaming hoops!
958 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:13:16am |
re: #954 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Makes me wonder what a Palestinian version of Animal House would look like. No beer, no playing cards, no peeking at the sorority pillow fights. But the ROTC training sketch would last a good 120 minutes.
And then the Sayaret Matkal would should up and ask ominously, "do you MIND if we DANCE wif yo' DATES?".
959 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:13:51am |
re: #958 Occasional Reader
And then the Sayaret Matkal would
shouldshow up and ask ominously, "do you MIND if we DANCE wif yo' DATES?".
Feh.
960 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:14:03am |
re: #938 coldwarrior
us army
love the all blacks, such a small population, such magnificent ruggers
i have a soft spot for januarie from SA, but he's just about done now
Excellent!
The all Blacks have been pretty much trounced by the Bokkes, as have the Aussies.
Did you see any of the Lions matches earlier this summer?
The Lions scrummie was outstanding, and had the Bokkes in all sorts of bother - so said all.
So its not just local patriotism when I claim the best scrummie in the NH for my country, Wales: Mike Phillips!
962 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:14:51am |
Lizards, I have to say, as an unwilling IE user during, ah, business hours; this business with the control buttons jumping around is really getting to be a drag. Posting takes twice as long as it used to. HELP US, OBI-STINKY-KENOBI. YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE.
963 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:02am |
re: #906 yma o hyd
So - now they ask for Jerusalem - not just East Jerusalem - as their capital?
Ah well - since they regard all of Israel as 'occupied territory' - what else would one expect ..
Fatah has been saying the same thing - Israel must withdraw from Jerusalem, or they won't even talk. What would they talk about? How quickly Jews should jump in the sea?
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964 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:09am |
re: #940 Cato the Elder
Yes, haha. Pat Robertson is an idiot. Don't lump all well-known preachers together, however. Did you know that Franklin Graham's group has quietly worked for 35 years, giving away 10's of millions of $ to the most hurting and poverty-stricken around the world? Much of it given by those suckers who send in pennies to tv shows. There are many more, but they're not so funny.
965 | BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:14am |
re: #958 Occasional Reader
And then the Sayaret Matkal would should up and ask ominously, "do you MIND if we DANCE wif yo' DATES?".
"Her name was Fatima & she died in a tragic workplace explosion."
966 | garycooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:20am |
re: #874 laZardo
Everything was better back when Pangaea was the only continent on earth!
/ XD
Unless you were a pirate. Business was slow.
967 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:23am |
Funny and smart... An interview with an angry mob.
968 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:15:52am |
It seems to me that the Seniors at the Town Halls are not being at all paranoid about having their healthcare rationed & even denied.
That is not a leap when you consider that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator not to support the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act."
He failed to agree that babys born alive during a botched abortion deserve medical care.
970 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:16:06am |
re: #908 realwest
Um, since y'all are talking about Me and My Mom (as we are chronically ill - mom with diabetes and me with cancer) do y'all think maybe we could be a part of that conversation? Cause there are a FEW things I'd like you to know that it is manifest you do not.
No worries my friend.
Obama has a pill for you and your Mom to take.
971 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:16:16am |
re: #964 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, haha. Pat Robertson is an idiot. Don't lump all well-known preachers together, however. Did you know that Franklin Graham's group has quietly worked for 35 years, giving away 10's of millions of $ to the most hurting and poverty-stricken around the world? Much of it given by those suckers who send in pennies to tv shows. There are many more, but they're not so funny.
You'll notice that the only person I mentioned in my epic poem was - Pat Robertson.
;^)
972 | reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:16:23am |
re: #639 iceweasel
No, the right in general decided they hated Obama from the beginning. That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all. That's also why they aren't a true opposition party at the moment, but are more of an oppositional-defiant-disorder party.
LGF is different, mostly. Charles always gives Obama credit for decisions he thinks were good.
Have fun at yoga!
Well, I didn't hate Obama from the beginning. But from the beginning, it was obvious to me (and perhaps many others) that what he said often did not match up with what he did. And that's what gave me pause from early on. I was not pleased with the R's choice of McCain. Not one bit. But Obama did not do anything to win me over.
973 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:16:32am |
re: #922 jill e
Well I reckon if they deny medical care to Mom or me which would help us stay alive, then I have to say that IS very fucking personal, ya know?
974 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:16:44am |
re: #964 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, haha. Pat Robertson is an idiot. Don't lump all well-known preachers together, however. Did you know that Franklin Graham's group has quietly worked for 35 years, giving away 10's of millions of $ to the most hurting and poverty-stricken around the world? Much of it given by those suckers who send in pennies to tv shows. There are many more, but they're not so funny.
I got my letter from Operation Christmas Child just last week. That's one of his that I love to support.
975 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:17:02am |
re: #941 coldwarrior
making sure that the ball is fed straight :)
Heh!
The trick nowadays is to only make it look for the ref as if the ball is fed straight, and not do it!
There's a former English hooker commentating for the Beeb, whom we all adore: Brian Moore. He gets apoplectic every time he sees the crooked feeds - hilarious!
Did you manage to catch the match between the Eagles and our lot, in Chicago, earlier this summer?
976 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:17:05am |
re: #961 buzzsawmonkey
Funniest line in that movie; when Fatima attempts to self-detonate, and is instead propelled through the bedroom window of a young Palestinian boy, who promptly says, "thank you, Allah!".
977 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:17:37am |
re: #885 Irish Rose
Good morning lizardia!
Another beautiful summer day on tap, here along the Lake Michigan shoreline.
Are we still talking health care?
Not at the moment. Refighting the war in Iraq, apparently. :)
Good morning, IR!
978 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:17:39am |
re: #962 Occasional Reader
Lizards, I have to say, as an unwilling IE user during, ah, business hours; this business with the control buttons jumping around is really getting to be a drag. Posting takes twice as long as it used to. HELP US, OBI-STINKY-KENOBI. YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE.
I was trying to post with IE8. I kept having to wait for the text I typed to appear on the screen. I checked task manager and found that IE8 was taking up 99% of the cpu when it wasn't loading a page. WTF is it doing? (This was posted from Safari which I also don't like... it keeps locking up or crashing)
979 | MikeAlv77 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:17:46am |
Question - Why is it that only Palestinians need to have jobs, schools or whatever or they will go all suicidal on people but when you look at other much WORSE countries and oppressed people, they are not blowing up themselves and killing civilians ( and justifiying it with religious rhetoric..)
Things that make me go... hmmm...
980 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:18:42am |
re: #906 yma o hyd
So - now they ask for Jerusalem - not just East Jerusalem - as their capital?
Ah well - since they regard all of Israel as 'occupied territory' - what else would one expect ..
Ever since they learned that the U.S. will not acknowledge any part of Jerusalem as belonging to Israel, they have become much bolder in announcing their true intentions.
981 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:18:46am |
re: #931 buzzsawmonkey
A load of crap indeed.
Just by the way, the universities he is talking about were built for them by Israel.
And they mostly teach how bad Israel and the Jews are anyway.
Maybe if they taught some useful skills, instead of Advanced Martyrology, the youts would have a future.
982 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:18:48am |
re: #930 Spenser (with an S) I've read most of Bryson's travel books and must say not one of them was anything but hilarious and informative!
983 | coldwarrior Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:19:08am |
re: #960 yma o hyd
the lions v SA match was fantastic.
yer phillips is a great one.re: #975 yma o hyd
'fed straight' is purely an illusion!
i cant watch the eagles, they just depress me. if we could have our pro NFL athletes play rugby, well, the rest of the world would have another reason to hate us!
984 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:19:32am |
re: #979 MikeAlv77
Question - Why is it that only Palestinians need to have jobs, schools or whatever or they will go all suicidal on people but when you look at other much WORSE countries and oppressed people, they are not blowing up themselves and killing civilians ( and justifiying it with religious rhetoric..)
Things that make me go... hmmm...
People in other oppressed countries can't blame their troubles on the Juice.
985 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:20:37am |
re: #971 Cato the Elder
I know, sorry if I'm too sensitive. Just a pre-emptive reminder to others that they're not all the same.
986 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:20:46am |
I was following the links from a post about a creationist "museum" put up by Thanos.
I saw the following quote.
I had come to this place expecting a Gish Gallop of misdirection, in which they'd hurl a barrage of half-truths, out-of-context information, and outright lies about the science at the viewer, which usually puts the informed critic in the position of having to struggle with correcting point after point, each one requiring more time to address than the creationist spent asserting it. This place is very different. Instead, we get a Ham Hightail, in which he hurtles along heedlessly pretending that the evidence simply doesn't exist, so he doesn't need to argue against it, and it's enough to back up his claims by quoting Bible verses.
After some experience trying to dispel the myths and half truths and sometimes lunacy of the anti AGW crowd, I can testify to how this is for mor than just dealing with the anti-evolution crowd.
It can take a long time to piece together a scientific argument. When some person refuses to even look at the steps, let alone piece them together, it is impossible to reach them. The second you get done painfully arguing some basic bit of physics, they move onto their next talking point and a bunch of political hysteria, without even pausing to consider the implications of the previous point.
989 | MikeAlv77 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:21:12am |
re: #984 Alouette
People in other oppressed countries can't blame their troubles on the Juice.
Thanks... I forgot the Joos are responsible for all problems... hate it when I make that mistake...
990 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:21:16am |
Gawd - I can't keep up!
Am having a bit of a bother with the broadband connection - so forgive me please for not answering all your replies!
991 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:22:03am |
re: #973 realwest
Well I reckon if they deny medical care to Mom or me which would help us stay alive, then I have to say that IS very fucking personal, ya know?
It's all up to the Blue Dogs now. Setting up these Town Halls & calling ordinary people racists, nazis, KKK & a dangerous mob did not work.
The trend is going the other way.
If Obama does not get a bill he will have a wounded Presidency, which is why he will sign anything that comes to his desk & call it victory.
992 | reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:22:08am |
re: #990 yma o hyd
Gawd - I can't keep up!
Am having a bit of a bother with the broadband connection - so forgive me please for not answering all your replies!
YMA!
Good to see you.
If you'd like a good laugh, check your e-mails.
993 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:22:43am |
re: #976 Occasional Reader
Funniest line in that movie; when Fatima attempts to self-detonate, and is instead propelled through the bedroom window of a young Palestinian boy, who promptly says, "thank you, Allah!".
He probably thought he died and went to paradise, and there would be 71 more coming.
994 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:23:07am |
re: #991 opnion
It's all up to the Blue Dogs now. Setting up these Town Halls & calling ordinary people racists, nazis, KKK & a dangerous mob did not work.
The trend is going the other way.
If Obama does not get a bill he will have a wounded Presidency, which is why he will sign anything that comes to his desk & call it victory.
Or he could rescue his ass by starting a war somewhere.
It's worked before.
995 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:23:10am |
re: #984 Alouette
People in other oppressed countries can't blame their troubles on the Juice.
... but sometimes they still do, of course.
I remember a thread way back about fervent Jew-hatred being stirred up in a mosque in Indonesia. It occured to me that to the average Indonesian, a "Jew" is an entirely abstract concept; he's never actually seen one. And yet, these wonderful Saudi-funded mosques had managed to convince a boatload of Indonesians that these abstract beings were the source of all their troubles. It's like if you saw people pouring out of, say, Lutheran church in Winsconsin screaming "death to the Paraguayans!"... you'd kind of have to wonder what was up with that church.
996 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:24:35am |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
I was following the links from a post about a creationist "museum" put up by Thanos.
I saw the following quote.
After some experience trying to dispel the myths and half truths and sometimes lunacy of the anti AGW crowd, I can testify to how this is for mor than just dealing with the anti-evolution crowd.
It can take a long time to piece together a scientific argument. When some person refuses to even look at the steps, let alone piece them together, it is impossible to reach them. The second you get done painfully arguing some basic bit of physics, they move onto their next talking point and a bunch of political hysteria, without even pausing to consider the implications of the previous point.
Rock on, LVQ. People support and appreciate what you do, even if it doesn't feel like that to you all the time.
997 | MikeAlv77 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:24:35am |
re: #995 Occasional Reader
... but sometimes they still do, of course.
I remember a thread way back about fervent Jew-hatred being stirred up in a mosque in Indonesia. It occured to me that to the average Indonesian, a "Jew" is an entirely abstract concept; he's never actually seen one. And yet, these wonderful Saudi-funded mosques had managed to convince a boatload of Indonesians that these abstract beings were the source of all their troubles. It's like if you saw people pouring out of, say, Lutheran church in Winsconsin screaming "death to the Paraguayans!"... you'd kind of have to wonder what was up with that church.
You saw that church in Wisconsin too!!!?!?!?!
Damn Paraguayans... Its all their fault.
//
998 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:25:04am |
re: #991 opnion
Yup. The fact that he's been forced to go into overdrive with the "astro-turfing" method is telling.
When you need fake doctors and manipulated 11-year olds to push your message, you are totally screwed.
999 | Killian Bundy Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:25:31am |
re: #962 Occasional Reader
Lizards, I have to say, as an unwilling IE user during, ah, business hours; this business with the control buttons jumping around is really getting to be a drag. Posting takes twice as long as it used to. HELP US, OBI-STINKY-KENOBI. YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE.
/turn off the auto-update while you compose your comment
1001 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:25:36am |
OK, this is odd. Looking at the BBC News and saw this headline:
'Many hurricanes' in modern times
Hurricanes in the Atlantic are more frequent than at any time in the last 1,000 years, according to research just published in the journal Nature.
Now, from a pedestrian point of view I have to ask on what data are they relying upon? 1000 years ago would make the zero year 1009. There was no data at that time let alone much in the name of global exploration. They're basing this on palaeoclimatic data points?
Never mind I think I see the rationale behind this:
"The implication is that if everything else is equal - and we don't know that about El Nino - then warming of the tropical Atlantic should lead to increasing levels of Atlantic tropical cyclone activity."
1002 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:26:00am |
re: #970 3 wood
I'm sure he does, but who winds up taking those pills, well [DELECTED] [DELETED] and [DELETED].
1003 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:26:04am |
re: #982 realwest
re: #930 Spenser (with an S) I've read most of Bryson's travel books and must say not one of them was anything but hilarious and informative!
“What an odd thing tourism is. You fly off to a strange land, eagerly abandoning all the comforts of home, and then expend vast quantities of time and money in a largely futile attempt to recapture the comforts that you wouldn't have lost if you hadn't left home in the first place.”
1004 | avanti Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:26:28am |
re: #968 opnion
It seems to me that the Seniors at the Town Halls are not being at all paranoid about having their healthcare rationed & even denied.
That is not a leap when you consider that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator not to support the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act."
He failed to agree that babys born alive during a botched abortion deserve medical care.
I hate to see that lie repeated over and over. Infanticide is and has been illegal and distortions like that are just wrong. Just do a google search to get the true story on the bill that even the AMA opposed.
1005 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:27:31am |
re: #983 coldwarrior
the lions v SA match was fantastic.
yer phillips is a great one.re: #975 yma o hyd
'fed straight' is purely an illusion!
i cant watch the eagles, they just depress me. if we could have our pro NFL athletes play rugby, well, the rest of the world would have another reason to hate us!
Well - I had that discussion with dear rw a few times, about how the rugby lads would stand up to your NFL lads ...
In my private and very humble opinion, I'd have to say that they wouldn't stand a chance against the top ten nations in rugby: the skills, the physicality and the stamina required are simply too great to just step from the one to the other.
The Eagles aren't that bad - a bit more support and they could get into the top ten. I mean - if Italy can do it ...!
1006 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:27:33am |
re: #994 Cato the Elder
Or he could rescue his ass by starting a war somewhere.
It's worked before.
Who would Obama attack? Israel?
With Samantha Power, I wouldn't put it past him.
1007 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:27:34am |
re: #996 iceweasel
Rock on, LVQ. People support and appreciate what you do, even if it doesn't feel like that to you all the time.
Thanks Ice.
1008 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:27:56am |
re: #1003 Spenser (with an S)
“What an odd thing tourism is. You fly off to a strange land, eagerly abandoning all the comforts of home, and then expend vast quantities of time and money in a largely futile attempt to recapture the comforts that you wouldn't have lost if you hadn't left home in the first place.”
I'm going to share that quote with my wife. Honestly though I don't think it's gonna get me out of that road trip to Oklahoma to see her relatives.
1009 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:27:56am |
NOAA Lowers Hurricane Season Outlook, Cautions Public Not to Let Down Guard
August 6, 2009
According to its August Atlantic hurricane season outlook, NOAA now expects a near- to below-normal Atlantic hurricane season, as the calming effects of El Niño continue to develop. But scientists say the season’s quiet start does not guarantee quiet times ahead. The season, which began June 1, is entering its historical peak period of August through October, when most storms form...
1010 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:28:08am |
re: #1000 buzzsawmonkey
Given the huge brouhaha in this country over same-sex marriage, a lot of churches have been getting upset over pair-a-gay rights.
I think you're making an unwarranted asunción.
1011 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:28:54am |
re: #992 reine.de.tout
YMA!
Good to see you.
If you'd like a good laugh, check your e-mails.
Thanks - will do!
1012 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:29:05am |
re: #1001 Gus 802
OK, this is odd. Looking at the BBC News and saw this headline:
That's a rather mild version of the headline on my default Firefox feed:
"Atlantic hurricanes at '1000-year high'"
1014 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:29:40am |
re: #999 Killian Bundy
/turn off the auto-update while you compose your comment
Er, couldya point me to the auto-update?
1015 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:29:43am |
re: #1008 Locker
I'm going to share that quote with my wife. Honestly though I don't think it's gonna get me out of that road trip to Oklahoma to see her relatives.
See, Bryson's a lefty that I appreciate.
1016 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:30:12am |
re: #1012 laZardo
That's a rather mild version of the headline on my default Firefox feed:
"Atlantic hurricanes at '1000-year high'"
Yeah, which I mentioned in #1001.
You know, back in the year 1009 when the hurricanes were milder. /
1017 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:30:13am |
re: #978 eschew_obfuscation
I was trying to post with IE8. I kept having to wait for the text I typed to appear on the screen. I checked task manager and found that IE8 was taking up 99% of the cpu when it wasn't loading a page. WTF is it doing? (This was posted from Safari which I also don't like... it keeps locking up or crashing)
That's why I went back to IE7 from IE8; don't like Safari and don't like FireFox (for different reasons) but Safari locked up on me too.
But the jumping around O.R. is talking about is happening to me too with IE 7.
1018 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:30:17am |
re: #994 Cato the Elder
Or he could rescue his ass by starting a war somewhere.
It's worked before.
Yeah, but he would probably attack Israel or another ally.
Beside in't BHO now the hero of a surge in Afghnistan? He already has a war.
1019 | Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:30:20am |
Jamie Oliver: ministry of food, quick salmon tikka with cucumber yoghurt (Video)
Looks really good.
1020 | avanti Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:05am |
Off to the casino, see all you lizards tomorrow, play nice.
1021 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:11am |
re: #986 LudwigVanQuixote
It can take a long time to piece together a scientific argument. When some person refuses to even look at the steps, let alone piece them together, it is impossible to reach them. The second you get done painfully arguing some basic bit of physics, they move onto their next talking point and a bunch of political hysteria, without even pausing to consider the implications of the previous point.
The same is true for any emotionalized political debate.
Someone took this Palin-talking-points dump on me yesterday while I was merely trying to explain why Obama is not comin' to kill yo Mama:
I am wondering how this is going to be paid for? The majority of people are happy with their healthcare. Why should we trust what Obama says? Gov't should not have a say in peoples [sic] health...beaurocrats [sic] have no place in a doctor-patient relationship. I am all for smaller gov't and capitalism. The gov't has no history of running anything successfully..and we want them to control our healthcare?
Try answering that seriously and their eyes glaze over by the second point. They're not trying to discuss anything with you, they're burying you in slogans.
1022 | Killian Bundy Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:17am |
re: #1014 Occasional Reader
Er, couldya point me to the auto-update?
/directly to the left of the new comments button
1023 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:32am |
re: #1014 Occasional Reader
Er, couldya point me to the auto-update?
It's a check box at the very bottom of the comments but above where you type your comment text.
1024 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:53am |
re: #1007 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks Ice.
No prob. I completely understand and agree with your comment, btw, especially this bit:
It can take a long time to piece together a scientific argument. When some person refuses to even look at the steps, let alone piece them together, it is impossible to reach them. The second you get done painfully arguing some basic bit of physics, they move onto their next talking point and a bunch of political hysteria, without even pausing to consider the implications of the previous point.
Exactly. Afterwards you feel like you've just had a pillow fight where all the pillows were lightly treated with nitrous oxide. No blows ever land and it's all a swing and a miss, right?
Really awful. BUT-- you're fighting the good fight and winning. :)
1025 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:31:59am |
re: #1019 Killgore Trout
"Ministry of Food"... isn't that Obama's next big initiative?
1026 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:32:03am |
re: #1019 Killgore Trout
Yum. I'm making that salmon this week. I will grill it, though.
1027 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:32:25am |
re: #1006 Kosh's Shadow
Who would Obama attack? Israel?
With Samantha Power, I wouldn't put it past him.
He does seem to scold Israell & quote the Koran to the other guys.
1028 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:33:12am |
Thanks for the down ding on my 970 Cato the elder, coming from you that is a compliment.
Here's an interesting provision in HR 3200. In the Medicare section, you find that certain limits are set on how much expansion some medicare providing hospitals can do. On page 322 you find this:
6 ‘‘(C) PERMITTED INCREASE.—
7 ‘‘(i) IN GENERAL.—Subject to clause
8 (ii) and subparagraph (D), a hospital
9 granted an exception under the process de
10 scribed in subparagraph (A) may increase
11 the number of operating rooms, procedure
12 rooms, or beds of the hospital above the
13 baseline number of operating rooms, proce14
dure rooms, or beds, respectively, of the
15 hospital (or, if the hospital has been grant
16 ed a previous exception under this para
17 graph, above the number of operating
18 rooms, procedure rooms, or beds, respec
19 tively, of the hospital after the application
20 of the most recent increase under such an
21 exception).
22 ‘‘(ii) 100 PERCENT INCREASE LIMITA23
TION.—The Secretary shall not permit an
24 increase in the number of operating rooms,
25 procedure rooms, or beds of a hospital
and over onto the next page:
1 under clause (i) to the extent such increase
2 would result in the number of operating
3 rooms, procedure rooms, or beds of the
4 hospital exceeding 200 percent of the base
5 line number of operating rooms, procedure
6 rooms, or beds of the hospital.
7 ‘‘(iii) BASELINE NUMBER OF OPER
8 ATING ROOMS, PROCEDURE ROOMS, OR
9 BEDS.—In this paragraph, the term ‘base
10 line number of operating rooms, procedure
11 rooms, or beds’ means the number of oper
12 ating rooms, procedure rooms, or beds of a
13 hospital as of the date of enactment of this
14 subsection.
15 ‘‘(D) INCREASE LIMITED TO FACILITIES
16 ON THE MAIN CAMPUS OF THE HOSPITAL.—
17 Any increase in the number of operating rooms,
18 procedure rooms, or beds of a hospital pursuant
19 to this paragraph may only occur in facilities on
20 the main campus of the hospital.
Draw you own conclusions.
1029 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:33:26am |
re: #1022 Killian Bundy
/directly to the left of the new comments button
That's already unchecked. Always has been (for me). So that's not the problem.
1030 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:33:41am |
re: #639 iceweasel
No, the right in general decided they hated Obama from the beginning. That's why they're incapable of giving Obama credit for anything at all. That's also why they aren't a true opposition party at the moment, but are more of an oppositional-defiant-disorder party.
Not agreeing with someone, and noticing that that person has difficulty telling the truth, is not the same thing as hating.
Maybe you're confusing your Presidents.
1031 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:33:46am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
Exactly. Afterwards you feel like you've just had a pillow fight where all the pillows were lightly treated with nitrous oxide. No blows ever land and it's all a swing and a miss, right?
Wow, now if feel like all the pillow fights I've had were so . . . pedestrian.
1032 | Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:33:49am |
re: #1026 Spenser (with an S)
He has a really interesting technique. No oil in the pan. I'll have to give that a try.
1033 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:34:01am |
re: #1012 laZardo
That's a rather mild version of the headline on my default Firefox feed:
"Atlantic hurricanes at '1000-year high'"
Ah, but wait. Here's an excerpt from the BBC:
Study leader Michael Mann from Penn State University believes that while not providing a definitive answer, this work does add a useful piece to the puzzle.
"It's been hotly debated, and various teams using different computer models have come up with different answers," he told BBC News.
So at least he admits that it's being "hotly debated" and that there are "different answer." However, for the time being only those reports that meet the requirements of the status quo will be announced in the media.
1034 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:34:11am |
re: #1025 Occasional Reader
MiniFood?
Well, the idea of food in digestable compact pill form has been around since the 60s.
/ q;
1035 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:35:04am |
re: #1028 3 wood
Thanks for the down ding on my 970 Cato the elder, coming from you that is a compliment.
In that case I'll go ding you up, you Palineo-Beckian fear-monger.
1036 | ladycatnip Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:35:28am |
Has anyone else seen this Sheila Jackson Lee video? She's taking a cell phone call while being asked a question at a very calm TH meeting. Unbelievable.
1037 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:35:41am |
re: #1031 Creeping Eruption
Wow, now if feel like all the pillow fights I've had were so . . . pedestrian.
You needed to be having them with chicks in lingerie, obviously. :)
Oh you meant the nitrous oxide comment...ok, that too. *whistles, drags toe innocently in dirt*
1038 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:35:55am |
re: #1035 Cato the Elder
What in the name of all that is unholy did I just walk into.
1039 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:36:00am |
re: #1004 avanti
I hate to see that lie repeated over and over. Infanticide is and has been illegal and distortions like that are just wrong. Just do a google search to get the true story on the bill that even the AMA opposed.
Check the vote on the legislation. He voted no in committe & present in the full Senate, that is just a fact. Nobody said anything about killing the baby, they were just denying care which amounts I guess to the same thing.
Google it before you call it a distortion, it is not.
1040 | sattv4u2 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:36:43am |
re: #1004 avanti
I hate to see that lie repeated over and over. Infanticide is and has been illegal and distortions like that are just wrong. Just do a google search to get the true story on the bill that even the AMA opposed.
Here's one "lie" that can't be refuted
The proposal in the house intends to partially fund health care reform by cutting 500 BILLION from Medicade.
With the baby boomers entering 'medicade" age, that means
1) more people in need of it
and
2) less money funded to it
Any sentient person can figure out that will result in
3) rationing of services
1041 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:37:02am |
As to hurricane frequency, this is again something that needs to be looked at over long term trends. Isolated dips and peaks in activity, do not a long term trend make.
For instance, if you know a smoker who got pancreatitis, that does not mean that smoking causes pancreatitis. That is akin to the person who says it is hot today, there must be global warming.
ON the other hand, far more dangerous, stupid and wrong, is the person who says, "I know a guy who smoked four packs a day and died of old age! Therefore smoking does not cause cancer."
Those are the people who say, "It's cold here today. Therefore there is no global warming."
The way you tell with smoking is you look at long term trends of the health of smokers. They really do get more cancer than non-smokers.
The fact is that as you add energy/heat to the atmosphere, the atmosphere has more energy to make storms.
The fact is that hurricane frequency has increased over the last half century.
1043 | irish rose Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:37:19am |
re: #977 iceweasel
Not at the moment. Refighting the war in Iraq, apparently. :)
Good morning, IR!
Good morning, ice :).
1044 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:37:33am |
re: #1039 opnion
Check the vote on the legislation. He voted no in committe & present in the full Senate, that is just a fact. Nobody said anything about killing the baby, they were just denying care which amounts I guess to the same thing.
Google it before you call it a distortion, it is not.
It's a distortion, if not a totaly lie, and it's been exposed here more than once as such.
1045 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:37:54am |
re: #1024 iceweasel
Exactly. Afterwards you feel like you've just had a pillow fight where all the pillows were lightly treated with nitrous oxide. No blows ever land and it's all a swing and a miss, right?
No offense intended, but this is how I feel sometimes arguing a point with you. A point, followed by a non-sequitur. Just so you know not all the frustration is on your end.
1046 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:38:04am |
re: #1034 laZardo
MiniFood?
Well, the idea of food in digestable compact pill form has been around since the 60s.
/ q;
Don't worry, MiniFood is just there to keep the private sector producers of food honest, and give them something to compete against. If you're happy with your private food supplier, you can keep it! What's that you say? MiniFood doesn't have to actually turn a profit, and can be subsidized with an unlimited amount of taxpayer money? SHUT UP YOU UNAMERICAN NAZI!
1047 | lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:38:11am |
re: #1027 opnion
Hopefully, Israelis (like many Americans) have completely tuned out Obama after his humiliating little attempts to make the Arab nations unclench.
While I'm sure Obama would never attack Israel, he probably wouldn't have much of a beef with strengthening their enemies, which might amount to the same thing.
Let's hope that Obama sticks with imaginary health care plans and "beer-summits", leaving the real world to people who actually know a thing or two about it.
1048 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:38:30am |
re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote
As to hurricane frequency, this is again something that needs to be looked at over long term trends. Isolated dips and peaks in activity, do not a long term trend make.
For instance, if you know a smoker who got pancreatitis, that does not mean that smoking causes pancreatitis. That is akin to the person who says it is hot today, there must be global warming.
ON the other hand, far more dangerous, stupid and wrong, is the person who says, "I know a guy who smoked four packs a day and died of old age! Therefore smoking does not cause cancer."
Those are the people who say, "It's cold here today. Therefore there is no global warming."
The way you tell with smoking is you look at long term trends of the health of smokers. They really do get more cancer than non-smokers.
The fact is that as you add energy/heat to the atmosphere, the atmosphere has more energy to make storms.
The fact is that hurricane frequency has increased over the last half century.
The heat can't be evenly distributed, though; Venus has a much hotter atmosphere, but it is evenly distributed, so it has minimal surface winds and weather.
1049 | J.S. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:38:42am |
re: #1032 Killgore Trout
"Good Eats" just had on a program about cooking salmon (Alton Brown detailed three basic ways to cook salmon...) He also had a very interesting way to keep salmon in the frig -- he used two plastic containers, nested, the top one filled with ice, but with holes in the bottom, so melted ice water would drain into the bottom container. Lay the fish on top of a piece of tin foil (tin foil is over the crushed ice), etc. This way, the fish remains cold, but never becomes water logged...
1050 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:38:55am |
re: #1042 buzzsawmonkey
Why don't you just come right out and declare any and all opposition to Obama "racist" on its threshold? That's clearly your implication here.
I've no idea where you get that from. Clearly your intent is to lie and start a fight.
1051 | badger1970 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:39:32am |
re: #983 coldwarrior
I did feel sorry for them when they had to play the All-Blacks a few years ago. I don't have satellite anymore so I can't catch "alternative" sports on FSC The only way Union will catch on if the US can promote Rugby League (sort of like football, but not). Maybe the transition of armored brutes who go on for 4-10 sec spurts to a bunch of unarmored brutes go on for 40min halves would be smoother.
I prefer Union since it takes more concentration to watch v. League (though league has it's moments).
1052 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:40:06am |
re: #1037 iceweasel
You needed to be having them with chicks in lingerie, obviously. :)
Oh you meant the nitrous oxide comment...ok, that too. *whistles, drags toe innocently in dirt*
Chicks in Lingerie is so Animal House. I was talking about the Nitrous. I simply cannot believe I was not exposed to this debauchery while attending UW-Madison. I thought I had seen all a Big 10 school had to offer. Sigh . .. the sad state of education these days.
1053 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:40:16am |
re: #1042 buzzsawmonkey
Why don't you just come right out and declare any and all opposition to Obama "racist" on its threshold? That's clearly your implication here.
That's it , all of those tea Partiers & Town Hall people are just straight up racists, even the African Americans, Yeah that's the ticket.
1054 | Eowyn2 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:40:57am |
re: #888 Killgore Trout
A load of crap from CNN...
Experts: Many young Muslim terrorists spurred by humiliation
GREENHOUSES FOR GAZA
/
1055 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:41:12am |
re: #1052 Creeping Eruption
Chicks in Lingerie is so Animal House. I was talking about the Nitrous. I simply cannot believe I was not exposed to this debauchery while attending UW-Madison. I thought I had seen all a Big 10 school had to offer. Sigh . .. the sad state of education these days.
Maybe you can sue them and demand a refund. :)
1056 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:41:24am |
re: #1051 badger1970
I did feel sorry for them when they had to play the All-Blacks a few years ago.
I think it's barbaric that Rugby still has racially-segregated teams.
//
1057 | gregb Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:41:41am |
re: #773 jill e
Didn't that nurse who funded her own award in CT just get criminally busted for that same thing?
1058 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:41:55am |
re: #1035 Cato the Elder
In that case I'll go ding you up, you Palineo-Beckian fear-monger.
Apparently you missed the comment Obama made the other day, in response to a woman asking if her 100 year old mother would still get a pace maker under the proposed legislation, and Obama responded with words to the effect that sometimes its better to just give someone a pain pill than have surgery.
I'm just taking Obama at his own word.
1059 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:42:31am |
re: #968 opnion
It seems to me that the Seniors at the Town Halls are not being at all paranoid about having their healthcare rationed & even denied.
That is not a leap when you consider that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator not to support the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act."
He failed to agree that babys born alive during a botched abortion deserve medical care.
This is a complete distortion of the truth.
The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants "born alive." It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.
This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:
[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]
This is NOT as simple as "Obama supports baby-killing." I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there's a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue -- from the right-wing side.
1060 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:42:38am |
re: #991 opnion
Well actually, while I agree - as does Rasmussen and Gallup, the fact is that it shouldn't be up to the Blue Dogs - it should be up to the American Voters. Especially this cost of caring for the elderly and those who require "expensive" medical care. Someday everyone in their 30's, 40's and 50's are gonna understand what those of us in our 60's and above already KNOW. IT doesn't matter how much YOU'VE PAID into Social Security or to Medicare; it doesn't matter what you have or have not done for your country during your more "productive years" it has to do with what we, as the American people, think is the morally RIGHT thing to do.
If y'all think well fuck 'em, they aren't gonna help us any in the future, so deny them or make it too expensive for them to get the health care they need,
then you are an IMMORAL PERSON and a piss-poor example of a human being. And STUPID, cause if you're lucky, you'll someday be at an age where YOU will be considered "throw away" material not PEOPLE many of whom have made great personal sacrifices for this Country.
I can't really say anymore, cause I'd really rather not be banned.
1061 | Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:42:51am |
re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote
The study was over the past 1,500 years, LVQ, not just the past 1/2 century. If anything, the data seem to line up pretty nicely with the current warm period and the Medieval Climatic Optimum with a lull between them. That's the long term trend.
1062 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:43:02am |
How Israel became South Africa by Margaret Wente
Which evil regime finds itself in the crosshairs of Canada's largest church? Israel, of course.
It's a bad old world out there. Tens of thousands are being raped in war-torn eastern Congo. In Sudan, a woman faces 40 lashes for daring to wear pants. The Iranians have brutally suppressed a peaceful uprising and shot protesters in the streets. The tyrants who run Burma have sentenced the brave Aung San Suu Kyi to more house arrest.
So which evil regime finds itself in the crosshairs of Canada's largest church? Israel, of course.
The United Church of Canada (which seems to be more interested in social justice than in God) is engaged in one of its periodic wrangles over Israel. Is Israel really, really bad, or just sort of bad? Should the church call for a boycott of Israeli universities or just stop buying Jaffa oranges? These questions are consuming a large portion of its general council meeting this week in Kelowna. To their credit, delegates have backed off from the most offensive stuff. They've decided not to refer to Israel as an “apartheid state.”
1063 | badger1970 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:43:31am |
re: #1052 Creeping Eruption
Yea, no more pink flamingos or Lady Liberty in the Lake.
1064 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:43:53am |
re: #1044 iceweasel
It's a distortion, if not a totaly lie, and it's been exposed here more than once as such.
Your wrong. Obama himself said that he could not support it in Committee because it did not have the Federal language protecting Roe.
Ok ,that language was put in & he still voted 'Present" in the fulll Senate.
When was this exposed as a distortion here?
Check it out, it is not wrong because you wish it to be.
1065 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:44:08am |
Another Bill Bryson quote to chuckle over...
“And I find chopsticks frankly distressing. Am I alone in thinking it odd that a people ingenious enough to invent paper, gunpowder, kites and any number of other useful objects, and who have a noble history extending back 3,000 years haven't yet worked out that a pair of knitting needles is no way to capture food?”
1066 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:44:46am |
1067 | irish rose Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:44:56am |
re: #1050 iceweasel
I've no idea where you get that from. Clearly your intent is to lie and start a fight.
... and what would the morning DT be these days, without a fight and a pile-on?
Sigh.
1068 | Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:12am |
re: #1049 J.S.
"Good Eats" just had on a program about cooking salmon (Alton Brown detailed three basic ways to cook salmon...) He also had a very interesting way to keep salmon in the frig -- he used two plastic containers, nested, the top one filled with ice, but with holes in the bottom, so melted ice water would drain into the bottom container. Lay the fish on top of a piece of tin foil (tin foil is over the crushed ice), etc. This way, the fish remains cold, but never becomes water logged...
Good tip from a great show.
1069 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:26am |
1070 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:27am |
re: #1055 iceweasel
Maybe you can sue them and demand a refund. :)
Ahaha! I saw that article about the girl in New York suing her college because they didn't work hard enough to find her a job. Hilarious.
1071 | gregb Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:38am |
re: #1046 Occasional Reader
I always thought "cap-and-trade" legislation for fast food consumption was next on this year's political agenda.
1072 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:44am |
re: #1048 Kosh's Shadow
That's completely true, but also a false analogy. The heat on Earth is not evenly distributed. Earth also has a different orbit, a different angle of rotation, giant oceans and a totally different atmosphere.
Part of what makes the heat on Venus so even distributed (it isn't as even as you might think anyway, but more so than Earth) is because Venus has so very much CO2 in it's atmosphere and the night side just doesn't cool as well there as our night side does here.
1073 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:45:53am |
re: #999 Killian Bundy
Doesn't help Killian - I keep the auto update feature off all the time and still get the "jumpy buttons" with IE 7.
1074 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:46:04am |
re: #888 Killgore Trout
A load of crap from CNN...
Experts: Many young Muslim terrorists spurred by humiliation
They are "humiliated" by the fact that they have failed to murder more Juice.
1075 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:46:08am |
re: #1049 J.S.
"Good Eats" just had on a program about cooking salmon (Alton Brown detailed three basic ways to cook salmon...) He also had a very interesting way to keep salmon in the frig -- he used two plastic containers, nested, the top one filled with ice, but with holes in the bottom, so melted ice water would drain into the bottom container. Lay the fish on top of a piece of tin foil (tin foil is over the crushed ice), etc. This way, the fish remains cold, but never becomes water logged...
Thanks for the tip
1076 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:46:28am |
re: #1065 Spenser (with an S)
Another Bill Bryson quote to chuckle over...
“And I find chopsticks frankly distressing. Am I alone in thinking it odd that a people ingenious enough to invent paper, gunpowder, kites and any number of other useful objects, and who have a noble history extending back 3,000 years haven't yet worked out that a pair of knitting needles is no way to capture food?”
Heh!
I will say that my chopstick skills improved tremendously after I dated a Japanese girl some years back, and she helped improve my technique. (In many things... badda-bing... but I digress.) But I still think cutlery makes a lot more sense.
1077 | J.S. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:46:40am |
re: #1062 Kenneth
Wente: "to their credit.." O brother. According to the National Post this "church" has been antisemitic since at least the 70s...and now, it's just going back to the "same old, same old."
1078 | gregb Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:47:41am |
re: #1058 3 wood
Apparently you missed the comment Obama made the other day, in response to a woman asking if her 100 year old mother would still get a pace maker under the proposed legislation, and Obama responded with words to the effect that sometimes its better to just give someone a pain pill than have surgery.
I'm just taking Obama at his own word.
My dad's in a wheelchair. When he broke his leg falling out trying to pick up the tv controller, they didn't do reconstructive surgery on his knee as he'll never walk on it again. They gave him a cast and some pain pills.
It all worked out...no government involved.
1079 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:47:53am |
re: #1070 Locker
Ahaha! I saw that article about the girl in New York suing her college because they didn't work hard enough to find her a job. Hilarious.
Yes, she even claimed that the job placement office at her uni "offered special treatment" to the straight A students!
She had a 2.5 or a 2.4, btw.
1080 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:48:06am |
Obama will come kill yo Mama!
He likes that because of the drama.
If yo Mama ain't ill
He'll slip her a pill
Or a poison shot through her pajama!
1081 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:48:49am |
re: #1065 Spenser (with an S)
Another Bill Bryson quote to chuckle over...
“And I find chopsticks frankly distressing. Am I alone in thinking it odd that a people ingenious enough to invent paper, gunpowder, kites and any number of other useful objects, and who have a noble history extending back 3,000 years haven't yet worked out that a pair of knitting needles is no way to capture food?”
I am positive that it would reduce the obesity problem...the chopstick diet!
1082 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:49:05am |
re: #1075 Creeping Eruption
re: #1049 J.S.
"Good Eats" just had on a program about cooking salmon (Alton Brown detailed three basic ways to cook salmon...) He also had a very interesting way to keep salmon in the frig -- he used two plastic containers, nested, the top one filled with ice, but with holes in the bottom, so melted ice water would drain into the bottom container. Lay the fish on top of a piece of tin foil (tin foil is over the crushed ice), etc. This way, the fish remains cold, but never becomes water logged...
Thanks for the tip
Yes, also don't be afraid to cook it to medium. It will continue to cook for 5-7min after taken off the heat source. Tender and moist.
1083 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:49:09am |
re: #1050 iceweasel
I've no idea where you get that from. Clearly your intent is to lie and start a fight.
With all due respect, it looks to me as if you're using the words 'lie', 'fight' and 'liar' quite a lot in the last two days I've been back here on LGF.
I'm not interested in what went on previously while I was away - but don't you think it would make for a better debate if said words weren't used by you in every second post?
1084 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:49:15am |
re: #1021 Cato the Elder
Try answering that seriously and their eyes glaze over by the second point. They're not trying to discuss anything with you, they're burying you in slogans.
And since you don't bleat the same cant, you must be a socialist who is also out to kill their mother.
It's all very saved vs. the unsaved.
1085 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:49:15am |
re: #1072 LudwigVanQuixote
That's completely true, but also a false analogy. The heat on Earth is not evenly distributed. Earth also has a different orbit, a different angle of rotation, giant oceans and a totally different atmosphere.
Part of what makes the heat on Venus so even distributed (it isn't as even as you might think anyway, but more so than Earth) is because Venus has so very much CO2 in it's atmosphere and the night side just doesn't cool as well there as our night side does here.
Yes, the greenhouse effect (and it is a runaway one on Venus) prevents loss of heat, so it would make the temperature even.
1086 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:02am |
re: #1082 Spenser (with an S)
Yes, also don't be afraid to cook it to medium. It will continue to cook for 5-7min after taken off the heat source. Tender and moist.
I am a fan of planking my Salmon on Cedar.
1087 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:04am |
re: #1074 Alouette
They are "humiliated" by the fact that they have failed to murder more Juice.
I think you got it.
The Israelis are humiliating them by keeping them out of where they can kill Jews. It all fits together.
1088 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:33am |
The "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" controversy is a perfect example of why the GOP is out of power right now. They promote a fanatical social conservative agenda, they LIE about their intentions in creating anti-abortion legislation, then they LIE again and try to turn it into a talking point against Barack Obama.
1089 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:38am |
re: #1056 Occasional Reader
I think it's barbaric that Rugby still has racially-segregated teams.
//
Not really - they also have a team called 'Barbarians' ...
:-)))
1090 | Creeping Eruption Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:49am |
re: #1081 Spare O'Lake
I am positive that it would reduce the obesity problem...the chopstick diet!
Snicker bites are just the right size for chop-sticks. Training wheels so to speak.
1091 | irish rose Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:50:58am |
re: #1086 Creeping Eruption
I am a fan of planking my Salmon on Cedar.
I love salmon.
Had a bagel with lox last Sunday afternoon... a real treat.
1092 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:51:11am |
re: #1059 Charles
This is a complete distortion of the truth.
The Born Alive Infant Protection Act was not simply a bill to protect infants "born alive." It was an attempt by the anti-abortion lobby to change the way abortion is defined in the law, and undercut Roe v. Wade. The bill Obama opposed was intended to increase the liability for doctors and hospitals that perform abortions.
This is a good post about it, with lots of quotes from the actual bills and the deceptive language introduced by the Stanek-Santorum crowd:
[Link: blogs.chicagotribune.com...]
This is NOT as simple as "Obama supports baby-killing." I am NO FAN OF BARACK OBAMA, but there's a lot of dishonesty going on in this issue -- from the right-wing side.
Charles when language similar to the Federal legislation was inserted , he still voted presen. Every single IL Senator Dem & Republican supported the Act , with one exception, Obama.
Eric Zorn is a huge Obama supporter & talks about things that happened before the votes in question
1093 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:51:21am |
1094 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:51:40am |
re: #1091 irish rose
I love salmon.
Had a bagel with lox last Sunday afternoon... a real treat.
It's especially good in the evening
Salmon chanted evening.
/stolen from Kip Adotta
1095 | Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:51:53am |
re: #1072 LudwigVanQuixote
That's completely true, but also a false analogy. The heat on Earth is not evenly distributed. Earth also has a different orbit, a different angle of rotation, giant oceans and a totally different atmosphere.
Part of what makes the heat on Venus so even distributed (it isn't as even as you might think anyway, but more so than Earth) is because Venus has so very much CO2 in it's atmosphere and the night side just doesn't cool as well there as our night side does here.
However, part of that is that, unlike Earth, Venus lacks any sort of carbon cycle. Thus, CO2 takes up some 96% of Venus's atmosphere, rendering it radically different from Earth's atmosphere, and not a good analog for Earth's atmosphere. Venus also has far denser clouds and cloud cover than Earth, and those clouds, instead of being composed of water vapor, are composed of sulphur dioxide and droplets of sulphuric acid. Again, radically different than Earth.
1096 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:52:03am |
re: #1089 yma o hyd
Not really - they also have a team called 'Barbarians' ...
:-)))
Which is the team that does the Maori war dance before each match?
I think if I were on the other team, I'd just give up and go home right then and there!
1098 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:52:18am |
re: #1084 LudwigVanQuixote
And since you don't bleat the same cant, you must be a socialist who is also out to kill their mother.
It's all very saved vs. the unsaved.
I can't bleat cant. I've tried, Lord knows, but I'm constitutionally incapable of it.
Damn those critical thinking skills they foisted on me in school! I could be a happy bleating follower of something, and I'm stuck working it all out for myself!
1099 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:52:20am |
re: #1092 opnion
Charles when language similar to the Federal legislation was inserted , he still voted presen. Every single IL Senator Dem & Republican supported the Act , with one exception, Obama.
Eric Zorn is a huge Obama supporter & talks about things that happened before the votes in question
The bill was a deceptive piece of legislation, created and sponsored by anti-abortion fanatics. I would have voted "present" too.
1101 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:52:35am |
re: #1088 Charles
The "Born Alive Infant Protection Act" controversy is a perfect example of why the GOP is out of power right now. They promote a fanatical social conservative agenda, they LIE about their intentions in creating anti-abortion legislation, then they LIE again and try to turn it into a talking point against Barack Obama.
Life begins from the moment you get her bra off!
All good Americans know this! And for the sake of our troops, who are better men than you or me, would you please be respectful of this fact!
1102 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:52:38am |
re: #1077 J.S.
I think Wente was being sarcastic when she wrote, "To their credit, delegates have backed off from the most offensive stuff."
The United Church of Canada has a rich vein of old fashioned anti-Semitism running through it, recently reinvigorated with a cadre of post-modern anti-western third-world crypto-Marxist activism. James Loney, one of the Christian Peacemaker Team taken hostage in Iraq in 2005 is a United Church member, and frequently speaks to congregations.
1103 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:53:01am |
re: #1101 LudwigVanQuixote
That was sarcasm...
1104 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:53:12am |
re: #1069 iceweasel
Uh, no.
Please see this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
The Chicago Tribune wrote an article prior to endorseing Obama that laid out that he was the only non-supporting vote.
1105 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:53:13am |
re: #1041 LudwigVanQuixote
The fact is that hurricane frequency has increased over the last half century.
Another fact is that hurricane observations along with satellite, radar, space and other scientific observations have increased exponentially in the past 50 years. That would set the first year at 1959 which is several years before space exploration even came to the forefront. NEXRAD and other methods as well as data acquisition of meteorological events are essentially a modern activity. The Saffir–Simpson Hurricane Scale didn't even come to use until 1971.
1106 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:53:35am |
re: #1087 Kosh's Shadow
I think you got it.
The Israelis are humiliating them by keeping them out of where they can kill Jews. It all fits together.
The "Nakba" consists of their "humiliation" at not achieving their goal of driving all the Jews into the sea and then taking all the loot. The "refugees" were told to clear the way for the triumphant Arab armies, who planned on annihilating everything in their path, after which they could partake of the loot that would be left over after the triumphant Arab armies took first dibs.
Damn those Juice for denying them all their loot!
1107 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:00am |
re: #1101 LudwigVanQuixote
Life begins from the moment you get her bra off!
All good Americans know this! And for the sake of our troops, who are better men than you or me, would you please be respectful of this fact!
Ludwig, why do you hate America? ///
1108 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:18am |
1109 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:27am |
re: #1004 avanti
Hey avanti - good morning to you! How's about we limit the discussion to his first line: "It seems to me that the Seniors at the Town Halls are not being at all paranoid about having their healthcare rationed & even denied."?
And yes, I've seen where some people out here think that private insurance companies do the same thing and can only offer anecdotal evidence to rebut that: friend of mine had private insurance at about the same age I am (when you're on SSDI as I am, you have to take Mediare,like it or not), had the same medical condition I do and was in fact given the life prolonging treatment my oncologist fears I will need in the next year or so. I seriously doubt, as 3 wood has analyzed the poposal or bill above, that I would get that same treatment under our Health Care Reform program.
So I don't think seniors are being paranoid at all.
1110 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:30am |
re: #1084 LudwigVanQuixote
And since you don't bleat the same cant, you must be a socialist who is also out to kill their mother.
It's all very saved vs. the unsaved.
Lots of martyr-type feelings here today among the moderates. I promise to not repeat a slogan to you but please also look in the mirror. It's very natural; you believe something very deeply and you are "saved" on that topic. Someone who disagrees is "unsaved". You both get frustrated that the other just doesn't get it and, since you personally are correct, they must be intellectually lazy.
1111 | Occasional Reader Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:32am |
re: #1095 Honorary Yooper
Oh, come on, global warming on Venus is caused by Republicans driving around in sport yutes, everyone knows that!
1112 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:40am |
re: #1105 Gus 802
That's fair. None the less, the people in hurricane prone regions know that they are getting hit more and not less often.
1113 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:54:59am |
re: #1099 Charles
The bill was a deceptive piece of legislation, created and sponsored by anti-abortion fanatics. I would have voted "present" too.
Charles no matter who was behind it, it had the Roe Neutral language inserted & therefore mirrored the Federal legislation.
1114 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:56:10am |
re: #1104 opnion
The Chicago Tribune wrote an article prior to endorseing Obama that laid out that he was the only non-supporting vote.
Obama had the balls to call out the so-con agenda for what it was. Lies. Lies intended to undermine Roe v Wade.
But keep running with this if you think it's a winner.
1115 | 3 wood Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:56:22am |
re: #1078 gregb
My dad's in a wheelchair. When he broke his leg falling out trying to pick up the tv controller, they didn't do reconstructive surgery on his knee as he'll never walk on it again. They gave him a cast and some pain pills.
It all worked out...no government involved.
I am very glad for your Dad that it worked out.
1116 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:56:32am |
re: #1096 Occasional Reader
Which is the team that does the Maori war dance before each match?
I think if I were on the other team, I'd just give up and go home right then and there!
Heh - the Barbarians don't dance - thats them all Blacks, that is!
There are ways of countering that Haka (thats the anme of the war dance) - both the Fwench and our lads did it, in their own different ways, and the All Blacks were hugely impressed, nay flustered ... got beaten by the Fwench ... and we ahd them udner the cosh for 40 mins ...
Never give up til the final whistle - law of Rugby!
1117 | laZardo Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:56:32am |
Headin' to bed to oppress the poor, neglected cold virus behind a cruel wall of medication. :D Nighty1
1118 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:57:36am |
re: #1099 Charles
The bill was a deceptive piece of legislation, created and sponsored by anti-abortion fanatics. I would have voted "present" too.
If you felt that way I'm pretty sure you would've had the balls to vote against the bill, not "present".
1119 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:58:10am |
re: #1112 LudwigVanQuixote
That's fair. None the less, the people in hurricane prone regions know that they are getting hit more and not less often.
OK I realize it's more complicated and I'm just a layman. I was thinking about earthquake frequencies and if that might reflect a similar result due to increased monitoring.
1120 | KingKenrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:58:24am |
Mickey Kaus, writing for notorius right-wing hate site Slate.com, points out that Obama kinda sorta maybe endorsed the idea of a kinda sorta maybe non-binding panel that kinda sorta maybe might be construed as a death panel. By some people.
[Link: www.slate.com...]
I think the purpose of these panels is not to make death decisions, but to make the hard decisions politicians don't want to be blamed for. Where these groups go in the future is anybody's guess.
1121 | J.S. Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:59:06am |
re: #1102 Kenneth
I find the UCC utterly despicable...but, maybe there's an upside (?) since, at least, one can have no doubts about where they're coming from...(similar, I find, to the Islamists).
1122 | Honorary Yooper Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:59:17am |
re: #1112 LudwigVanQuixote
That's fair. None the less, the people in hurricane prone regions know that they are getting hit more and not less often.
However, hurricane activity also seems to come and go in cycles. It is know that the earlier part of the 20th Century saw more hurricanes and more powerful hurricanes along the Gulf and Atlantic coasts than the mid-20th Century did. A lot of development of the Gulf and Atlantic coasts occurred in this lull of activity. A lot of people unfamiliar with hurricanes also moved into those hurricane prone areas during that time period. After Andrew (1992), hurricane activity ramped back up during the 1990s and early 2000s. Currently, we seem to be ramping back down in activity (post 2005 season).
1123 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:59:25am |
re: #1113 opnion
Charles no matter who was behind it, it had the Roe Neutral language inserted & therefore mirrored the Federal legislation.
The bottom line on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act:
The history makes it clear that Obama's role in delaying "born-alive" legislation was minor and based on very understandable reservations of many pro abortion rights legislators in Springfield. There is simply no way to paint him as an "extremist" when multiple versions of this same legislation failed in both chambers, often over bi-partisan concerns -- though Jill Stanek is apparently having some success pushing this angle with those who don't have the patience you've had to wade through all the bills and arguments.
This right wing talking point that Obama voted in favor of "infanticide" is 100% pure crap.
1124 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:59:38am |
re: #1110 Spenser (with an S)
Lots of martyr-type feelings here today among the moderates. I promise to not repeat a slogan to you but please also look in the mirror. It's very natural; you believe something very deeply and you are "saved" on that topic. Someone who disagrees is "unsaved". You both get frustrated that the other just doesn't get it and, since you personally are correct, they must be intellectually lazy.
No, actually.
I was convinced of the situation by mountains of evidence and clear analysis. I don't believe anything about AGW. I don't believe in special relativity. I don't believe in evolution.
I am instead convinced of these things by the science and the facts.
Again, science is not a matter of deeply held beliefs. Deeply held beliefs are for politics and religion.
1125 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 8:59:43am |
OT but the food talk has me looking at one of the local pizza joints for lunch specials and see that they serve Moose Drool beer. This is right up there with watching someone rub a Carl's Junior burger all over their face or a scary plastic King headpiece on the list of marketing idea that convince me NOT to use a product. Moose drool is gross! And no I don't want a sip of your St. Bernard Slobber Lite Ale either!
1126 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:00:50am |
re: #1114 iceweasel
Obama had the balls to call out the so-con agenda for what it was. Lies. Lies intended to undermine Roe v Wade.
But keep running with this if you think it's a winner.
Damn , ya got me. Obama was ballsy huh? New concept.
1127 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:00:50am |
Obama is after your daughter!
He needs little lambs for the slaughter.
If your daughter can run
That's even more fun:
He'll just send out his thugs till they've caught her.
1128 | opnion Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:16am |
re: #1123 Charles
This right wing talking point that Obama voted in favor of "infanticide" is 100% pure crap.
I did not say that he supported infanticide, just that he did not vote for the Act & all others did.
1129 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:17am |
Just to enliven your day, here's a comment from my side of the Big Pond:
The US will never understand the logic of NHS rationing
From that link:
'However hysterical some of the US attacks may be, the central core of the argument is indisputable: the NHS relies on the principle of rationing. Whatever resources there are should be distributed absolutely evenly (which may mean thinly) regardless of circumstances, and no one should receive what can not be made avaliable to everyone. If a given drug or procedure cannot be offered to the entire population (or to all those who might benefit from it), then it should not be offered to anyone at all because that would be “unfair”. This doctrine is carried to its logical conclusion by the prohibition on top-up payments in which patients can be refused NHS treatment (even when they have paid for it through years of taxation) if they choose to buy medication out of their own funds. This is something that most Americans would find shocking and even positively immoral. And there are a good many British patients (and doctors) who would agree with them.'
1130 | MJ Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:26am |
I posted this last night:
Yale Press Bans Images of Muhammad in New Book
The book is about the controversy.
This is an Academic book and Yale caved in.
Outrageous.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
1131 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:43am |
re: #1124 LudwigVanQuixote
No, actually.
I was convinced of the situation by mountains of evidence and clear analysis. I don't believe anything about AGW. I don't believe in special relativity. I don't believe in evolution.
I am instead convinced of these things by the science and the facts.
Again, science is not a matter of deeply held beliefs. Deeply held beliefs are for politics and religion.
This one gets a favorite.
1132 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:45am |
re: #1127 Cato the Elder
Obama is after your daughter!
He needs little lambs for the slaughter.
If your daughter can run
That's even more fun:
He'll just send out his thugs till they've caught her.
You think race-baiting is OK if you rhyme it?
1133 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:02:55am |
re: #1124 LudwigVanQuixote
No, actually.
I was convinced of the situation by mountains of evidence and clear analysis. I don't believe anything about AGW. I don't believe in special relativity. I don't believe in evolution.
I am instead convinced of these things by the science and the facts.
Again, science is not a matter of deeply held beliefs. Deeply held beliefs are for politics and religion.
According to the wingnut talking points, scientists have something called "darwinism" as a religion, and atheism is all about hating jesus, as opposed to genuinely not believing any god exists at all.
So, there you go.
1134 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:03:16am |
re: #1095 Honorary Yooper
However, part of that is that, unlike Earth, Venus lacks any sort of carbon cycle. Thus, CO2 takes up some 96% of Venus's atmosphere, rendering it radically different from Earth's atmosphere, and not a good analog for Earth's atmosphere. Venus also has far denser clouds and cloud cover than Earth, and those clouds, instead of being composed of water vapor, are composed of sulphur dioxide and droplets of sulphuric acid. Again, radically different than Earth.
That's completely true. That's why I said in my first sentence (of what you were replying to) that it was a bad analogy and went on to say that Venus has a radically different atmosphere.
1137 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:06:25am |
re: #1127 Cato the Elder
Truly putrid and not even a reply to anything the most fever-brained right-winger here has said. Just for nasty fun, huh?
1138 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:06:45am |
re: #1044 iceweasel
It's a distortion, if not a totaly lie, and it's been exposed here more than once as such.
So, here are the guts of the bill from Wikipedia:
* Defines a "Born alive infant" as "Person, human being, Child, Individual"
* Gives rights as a human to any child born with in the United States. [5]
* "Born Alive" is defined as the complete expulsion of an infant at any stage of development that has a heartbeat, pulsation of the umbilical cord, breath, or voluntary muscle movement, no matter if the umbilical cord has been cut or if the expulsion of the infant was natural, induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion[4].
So, what do you believe the distortion to be?
Did Obama vote against, then present, on the bill simply because he viewed it as redundant legislation? Does he have a history of being opposed to redundancy in other legislation? Or did he actually oppose the content of the bill? Did he make any statements about his reasoning before he was questioned about it during his Presidential run?
1139 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:06:51am |
re: #1128 opnion
I did not say that he supported infanticide ...
Yes, you did. Quote:
That is not a leap when you consider that Obama was the only Illinois State Senator not to support the "Born Alive Infant Protection Act."
He failed to agree that babys born alive during a botched abortion deserve medical care.
1140 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:06:56am |
re: #1124 LudwigVanQuixote
No, actually.
I was convinced of the situation by mountains of evidence and clear analysis. I don't believe anything about AGW. I don't believe in special relativity. I don't believe in evolution.
I am instead convinced of these things by the science and the facts.
Again, science is not a matter of deeply held beliefs. Deeply held beliefs are for politics and religion.
Exactly!
But then again, as a scientist, one must start asking questions when one sees that the data which are presented as 'incontrovertible' turn out to have been misrepresentations.
Looking at the Mann hockey-stick graph must lead a serious scientist to ask - what else is incorrect - what else has been overlooked.
Science is open-ended, it can never be 'closed', it can never be finished, the debate can never be shut down in science.
1141 | Sheila Broflovski Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:02am |
re: #1127 Cato the Elder
Obama is after your daughter!
He needs little lambs for the slaughter.
If your daughter can run
That's even more fun:
He'll just send out his thugs till they've caught her.
That limerick makes no sense unless you replace "Obama" with "Bill Clinton"
1142 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:05am |
1143 | Lincolntf Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:15am |
re: #1126 opnion
I knew he was ballsy when he claimed that electing him would cause the seas to fall. Seriously, who says that?
Of course, when he claimed that the massive debacle that is his HC plan wouldn't add to the deficit, that was beyond ballsy. That's just insane.
1144 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:07:18am |
re: #1138 NukeAtomrod
So, what do you believe the distortion to be?
Did Obama vote against, then present, on the bill simply because he viewed it as redundant legislation? Does he have a history of being opposed to redundancy in other legislation? Or did he actually oppose the content of the bill? Did he make any statements about his reasoning before he was questioned about it during his Presidential run?
I suggest you read the link I posted above.
1145 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:08:07am |
re: #1133 iceweasel
According to the wingnut talking points, scientists have something called "darwinism" as a religion, and atheism is all about hating jesus, as opposed to genuinely not believing any god exists at all.
So, there you go.
Well that's part of what I meant by projection in a post I made the other day.
To them science is a jukebox that you can pick and choose the things you like while discarding the rest - or even decide not to put a coin in and call all of the music horrible.
To them it is nothing more than a belief system and they approach it as such. Therefore science that disagrees with their beliefs as to what is good - is not science to them, but rather the "beliefs" of an opposing sect.
1146 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:08:07am |
Did I just hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
1147 | Spenser (with an S) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:09:55am |
re: #1140 yma o hyd
Science is open-ended, it can never be 'closed', it can never be finished, the debate can never be shut down in science.
Yes, it can and apparently has been. Please don't be dense and pay attention to your betters.
///
1148 | Scion9 Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:12:37am |
re: #1124 LudwigVanQuixote
LVQ, the chain of posts above shows a political argument above posted by Cato as the example of a 'saved versus unsaved' perspective, not a scientific one.
1149 | eschew_obfuscation Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:14:15am |
Here are a couple of interesting links on hurricane frequency...
Decreasing frequency through 1994.
Last 5 years of activity.
1150 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:15:06am |
Obama's the doom of your brother,
Who surely did something or other.
If no fault can be found
He'll just run him to ground,
Hold him down, grab a pillow, and smother.
1151 | Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:16:06am |
re: #1146 redstateredneck
Did I just hear that Les Paul has died at age 94?
I just checked google news. Loss of a legend. Dang.
[Link: www.google.com...]
1152 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:16:18am |
re: #1146 redstateredneck
I hadn't heard that red - where did you hear it or see it?
1153 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:16:36am |
re: #1140 yma o hyd
Exactly!
But then again, as a scientist, one must start asking questions when one sees that the data which are presented as 'incontrovertible' turn out to have been misrepresentations.
Looking at the Mann hockey-stick graph must lead a serious scientist to ask - what else is incorrect - what else has been overlooked.Science is open-ended, it can never be 'closed', it can never be finished, the debate can never be shut down in science.
BUt be very very careful about that first in the general and then in the specific.
Don't confuse hypothesis with theory. Hypothesis get shot down all of the time. Theories have withstood multiple attempts to be shot down while making accurate predictions.
In the general case, science is always built on observations. Any new theory that comes to refine a previous one, has to explain all of the same known observations and observed predictions that the original theory got right as well as whatever new ones have come about as well.
That means, that the original theory does not die as much as get refined or incorporated into a better understanding. As an example, Einstienian gravity replaced Newton's. However, Einsteinian gravity also contains Newton's equations - it reduces to them in a certain limit - the exact limit that Newton was looking in. We still teach Newton today for more than historical reasons.
In the specific case of the hockey stick.
1. There is actually an amazingly technical debate about how to do the statistics going back and forth by the few who still care.
2. Suppose you are correct about that example. Suppose it is total bunk, So what. We are not debating the directly observed Keeling curves or the ice cores.
1154 | realwest Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:18:06am |
re: #1151 Mad Al-Jaffee
Damn, that's a shame and a true loss to the music industry - sympathies and condolences to his family.
RIP Les Paul.
1155 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:18:21am |
re: #1148 Scion9
LVQ, the chain of posts above shows a political argument above posted by Cato as the example of a 'saved versus unsaved' perspective, not a scientific one.
Truth, but even political discussions need to be based in reality and logic at some point. It is purely political to argue what you think the way we should run something is. It is a pure matter of fact that the actual bill has no "we will kill your grandmother because she is now useless to society" clause.
1156 | redstateredneck Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:19:32am |
re: #1152 realwest
I hadn't heard that red - where did you hear it or see it?
I heard it on the radio but Mad al Jaffe has confirmed it. RIP, Mr. Paul. You were the best!
1157 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:19:57am |
re: #1145 LudwigVanQuixote
Well that's part of what I meant by projection in a post I made the other day.
To them science is a jukebox that you can pick and choose the things you like while discarding the rest - or even decide not to put a coin in and call all of the music horrible.
To them it is nothing more than a belief system and they approach it as such. Therefore science that disagrees with their beliefs as to what is good - is not science to them, but rather the "beliefs" of an opposing sect.
Absolutely. It represents a profound misunderstanding of what science itself is-- and even more worrying, a misunderstanding ( and distrust!) of reason itself and Enlightenment values.
This is the truly worrying form of 'relativism' that people on the right have always claimed the 'left' (and especially the 'academic left') wants to advance.
It's extremely odd to see the party of personal responsibility and the party that claims to despise moral relativism eagerly endorse anti-science and anti-intellectual principles--- and fall all over themselves to say "the left did it first!" when excusing horrible behaviour by their own side.
It's really a toss-up as to who I dislike more: Republicans or Democrats. Pretty disgusted with the behaviour of the right lately though--just as I was by the left in 2000 and later.
1159 | yma o hyd Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:16am |
re: #1153 LudwigVanQuixote
Not disagreeing with you, in general - but may I perhaps point out that Climate Change, regardless of warming or cooling, has been around for a very long time indeed.
It did not happen just in the last 150 years.
Therefore it would seem at least unwise, if not unscientific, to disregard the findings from all other disciplines which have done research into past climates.
A physician, for example, would look at the past medical history of a patient before they prescribe a drug or an intervention. They would most certainly not solely act on a patient's ringing them every five minutes about his blood pressure measurements going up - no, its down a bit - oh no, its up a bit ... I'm gonna die!
(Sorry for being a bit flippant!)
1160 | Locker Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:25:23am |
re: #1142 Mad Al-Jaffee
You probably wouldn't like this candy from Denmark:
[Link: www.allbusiness.com...]
Eeeewww Dog Fart Candy!
1161 | 1SG(ret) Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:26:55am |
Here's the problem I have with AGW debate. Science should be able to go where the studies takes it. When politics and funding (have and have not) are inserted into the mix, it will cause people to question said science. I don't know the science, and when I'm told by anyone they have all the truths, science is no longer needed. Equal funding for both sides of the issue would give me a better feeling about what I'm told. When the science funding is allocated according to one's belief I tend to always question the science data. Future funding allocations given by what you conclude sucks.
1163 | Kenneth Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:35:36am |
re: #1139 Charles
The full quote of Obama's argument against the bill makes it clear he was not in favor of infanticide:
[T]he only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made the assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, let’s say for the purposes of the mother’s health, is being — that — that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, and in fact this was not a nonviable fetus but, in fact, a live child, that the physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical procedures and practices that would be involved in saving that child.Now, if — if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I — I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects that doctors feel that they would already be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations, and that essentially adding a — an additional doctor who the has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.
Now, if that’s the case –and — and I know some of us feel very strongly one way or the other on that issue — that’s fine, but I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births. Because if these children are being born alive, I, at least, have confidence that a doctor who is in that room is going to make sure they’re looked after.
However, it is unreasonable to paint anti-abortion activists as fanatics for supporting this bill. Row vs Wade left open the question of when viability can be determined. That was left to states to decide. The pro-choice side want to move that limit upward. This bill was an attempt to move that age limit downward.
1164 | Gus Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:39:03am |
re: #1149 eschew_obfuscation
Here are a couple of interesting links on hurricane frequency...
Decreasing frequency through 1994.
Last 5 years of activity.
Maybe unrelated but:
Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellites
"The first GOES was launched on Oct. 16, 1975. The early GOES satellites were spin stabilized and viewed the earth only about ten percent of the time. These satellites were in operation from 1975 until 1994. From April 13, 1994, to the present, a the next generation of spacecraft, which are three-axis stabilized, (GOES I-M) has been in operation. GOES-8 was the first three-axis stabilized spacecraft and was launched April 13, 1994. The remaining spacecraft in this series, GOES 9 - 12, were successfully launched between 1994 and 2001. This generation of satellites view the earth 100 percent of the time, taking continuous images and soundings. GOES satellites provide data for severe storm evaluation, information on cloud cover, winds, ocean currents, fog distribution, storm circulation and snow melt, using visual and infrared imagery. The satellites also receive transmissions from free-floating balloons, buoys and remote automatic data collection stations around the world.
The spike (1995 season) seems to correlate with GOES-8 which was launched on April 13, 1994. First soundings were received on June 6, 1994. This satellite was a groundbreaking leap.
1165 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:40:18am |
re: #1144 Charles
I suggest you read the link I posted above.
Okay. I did so. And I followed this link which gave more information about the legislation. The only difference between the bill Obama said he'd support vs the one he was against was this section:
(c) A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law.
So it's fair to say that Obama was against the proposed legislation because it gave legal recognition and protection to a baby born during a botched abortion.
While this does not explicitly make him a proponent of infanticide, I'm still having a hard time discerning the rationale behind his objection. I would appreciate it if someone could enlighten me.
1166 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:41:44am |
re: #1157 iceweasel
Absolutely. It represents a profound misunderstanding of what science itself is-- and even more worrying, a misunderstanding ( and distrust!) of reason itself and Enlightenment values.
This is the truly worrying form of 'relativism' that people on the right have always claimed the 'left' (and especially the 'academic left') wants to advance.
It's extremely odd to see the party of personal responsibility and the party that claims to despise moral relativism eagerly endorse anti-science and anti-intellectual principles--- and fall all over themselves to say "the left did it first!" when excusing horrible behaviour by their own side.
It's really a toss-up as to who I dislike more: Republicans or Democrats. Pretty disgusted with the behaviour of the right lately though--just as I was by the left in 2000 and later.
You and I are so very much in the same boat. Back in the days when the words liberal and conservative meant something more than an angry insult to scream at the other side, I would have been considered to be a lefty on many social issues - like actually opposing discrimination of any kind against minorites and women and gay people, protecting the environment, being weary of big business always having a pure motive, being pro science etc...
However, the left became something raving and silly and turned the legitimate rights of people to be treated fairly into some sort of P.C. nightmare. They decided that rather then being honest about the abuses of big business, that if a corporation does it, it must be evil. Rather than being pro-science, they became some sort of no-animal testing, anything with the word nuclear in it must be evil, and crystal worshiping sorts who believe in "alternative" medicine from gurus. They also have the notion that anything with the word military in it must be evil as well.
I used to be considered to the right on certain issues too - before the right mutated as well. I was alway pro-military, pro vigorous national defense and strong foreign policy. I was always interested in limiting government spending, not because I feel that social programs are a bad thing in of themselves, but rather because you have to eventually be able to pay for what you buy at some point.
Of course the GOP is much worse at deficit spending than the Dems until very recently. It is one thing to be tax and spend, it is another to be spend and spend. If the moonbats never saw a tree they didn't want to hug, then the GOP takes pride in cutting them down. No presidency castrated the EPA like Bush. As to being anti science, well, please. The Right today is the home of the Creationists and the AGW deniers and people who just couldn't think scientifically if their lives depended on it. They actively mock science and academics in speeches. Only a republican would consider a "i'm just a country boy folksy thing" as a selling point - that ignorance, and being a joe-sixpack, just like you makes you qualified to discuss complicated issues that you proudly proclaim you know nothing about.
I could go on about the raving hysteria that is penetrating the right. But everyone here knows about that too.
In the end, I have no party that I would support. I only wrote against candidates - trying to choose the lesser of idiots.
1168 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:43:23am |
re: #1163 Kenneth
The full quote of Obama's argument against the bill makes it clear he was not in favor of infanticide:
Yes, it certainly does make it clear. This talking point drives me crazy, because it is such an obviously dishonest smear.
However, it is unreasonable to paint anti-abortion activists as fanatics for supporting this bill. Row vs Wade left open the question of when viability can be determined. That was left to states to decide. The pro-choice side want to move that limit upward. This bill was an attempt to move that age limit downward.
The fanatics I was talking about were the creators of the bill, Jill Stanek and Rick Santorum, who fit the definition of "fanatic" to a T.
1169 | zombie Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:44:31am |
re: #733 gregb
Dying of curiousity...what company was it? (repl personal)
Sorry, can't say! Need to keep anonymous. Besides which, you almost certainly have never heard of the company or product. As I said, it crashed and burned before really getting off the ground.
1170 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:45:00am |
re: #1166 LudwigVanQuixote
odd typo correction PIMF...
In the end, I have no party that I would support. I only vote against candidates - trying to choose the lesser of idiots.
1173 | The Left Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:51:24am |
re: #1166 LudwigVanQuixote
As to being anti science, well, please. The Right today is the home of the Creationists and the AGW deniers and people who just couldn't think scientifically if their lives depended on it. They actively mock science and academics in speeches. Only a republican would consider a "i'm just a country boy folksy thing" as a selling point - that ignorance, and being a joe-sixpack, just like you makes you qualified to discuss complicated issues that you proudly proclaim you know nothing about.
I could go on about the raving hysteria that is penetrating the right. But everyone here knows about that too.
In the end, I have no party that I would support. I only wrote against candidates - trying to choose the lesser of idiots.
Agree with everything you've said, as often happens, but had to pull out this bit in particular.
Yes, yes, yes.
I can't possibly vote for, or like, a party that not only sneers at education and science but positively celebrates and elevates ignorance.
I will never, ever support the GOP until they dump this-- and the so-con agenda. It's really the anti-intellectualism plank that frightens me most. How is it even possible that in this country, we are talking about teaching creationism in biology classes? How does that even happen?
1174 | zombie Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:52:49am |
re: #1130 MJ
I posted this last night:
Yale Press Bans Images of Muhammad in New Book
The book is about the controversy.
This is an Academic book and Yale caved in.
Outrageous.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
re: #1135 buzzsawmonkey
I guess Yale is definitely not the place for zombie to ultimately donate the Mohammed Image Archive.
Outrageous is right.
But notice that the N.Y. Times quite obviously referred to the Mohammed Image Archive when writing the article. On my Dante's Inferno page, I have rendition's of Mohammed in Hell by Gustave Doré, Boticelli, William Blake, August Rodin, and Salvador Dali. It is the only place in the world where all these versions have been brought together. Lo and behold, the NY Times writes:
What’s more, they suggested that the Yale press also refrain from publishing any other illustrations of the prophet that were to be included, specifically, a drawing for a children’s book; an Ottoman print; and a sketch by the 19th-century artist Gustave Doré of Muhammad being tormented in Hell, an episode from Dante’s “Inferno” that has been depicted by Botticelli, Blake, Rodin and Dalí.
At least it's good to know that the site is influencing public discourse. Now that the N.Y. Times has promulgated this info, all their readers are now aware that depicting Mohammed was commonplace even by the great artists, not an outrage.
1175 | Kosh's Shadow Thu, Aug 13, 2009 9:59:39am |
re: #1164 Gus 802
The spike (1995 season) seems to correlate with GOES-8 which was launched on April 13, 1994. First soundings were received on June 6, 1994. This satellite was a groundbreaking leap.
It was just the hurricanes acting up so they'd be on TV.
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1176 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:26:57am |
re: #1165 NukeAtomrod
Really. I'd appreciate an explanation, because I'm just guessing at this point. Does he believe it is a threat to Roe vs Wade? I don't see how...
It appears to me that Obama isn't for infanticide, he just isn't particularly concerned about the possibility that infanticide might occur after a botched abortion. Perhaps, because he has the political motivation of protecting legal abortion via Roe vs Wade against all threats, real or imagined.
I wasn't sure how this connected to the health care debate until now. Maybe the seniors speaking out at the town halls are actually worried that Obama, similarly, is not particularly concerned about the possibility of delayed or denied medical treatment of people in the twilight years of their lives. Because of his political motivation of achieving a single-payer health care system.
1177 | Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:31:14am |
re: #1176 NukeAtomrod
It IS a threat to Roe v. Wade. It was deliberately written to undercut Roe v. Wade. And it wasn't even "stealth" legislation -- Stanek was pretty open about her intent. I thought you said you read the link I posted?
1178 | Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:31:54am |
Of course it's a tactic. Name a bill the "Don't Kill My Mama Act of 2009", then load it with all kinds of crazy shit that has nothing to do with my mama.
And then call anyone who votes against it a mama-killer.
1179 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:43:25am |
re: #1140 yma o hyd
Exactly!
But then again, as a scientist, one must start asking questions when one sees that the data which are presented as 'incontrovertible' turn out to have been misrepresentations.
Looking at the Mann hockey-stick graph must lead a serious scientist to ask - what else is incorrect - what else has been overlooked.Science is open-ended, it can never be 'closed', it can never be finished, the debate can never be shut down in science.
This is what makes me nervous about the AGW/Anti-AGW and Darwinism/Creationism/ID debates. Folks implying the debate is over, the science is settled and anyone who doesn't agree is anti-science.
Imagine folks ridiculing Einstein's theories since Newtonian Physics is "settled science"? It seems ludicrous to us now, but wouldn't have at the time.
1180 | NukeAtomrod Thu, Aug 13, 2009 10:56:34am |
re: #1177 Charles
It IS a threat to Roe v. Wade. It was deliberately written to undercut Roe v. Wade. And it wasn't even "stealth" legislation -- Stanek was pretty open about her intent. I thought you said you read the link I posted?
I understand that that's what Stanek intended, but I don't see the threat. It doesn't seem to be overly broad language. It doesn't include the unborn. It just says, regardless of the reason a living baby completely exits the womb, that baby has rights and protections under the law... so what's the problem?
1181 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 11:11:44am |
re: #1159 yma o hyd
I'm not trying to critique you harshly. What you said would have been a perfectly reasonable skeptical stance in 1990. Mountains more evidence have come in since then and the mechanisms are much better understood.
In 2009, that analysis no longer hold up.
1182 | Almost Killed by Space Hookers Thu, Aug 13, 2009 11:15:21am |
re: #1179 rwdflynavy
This is what makes me nervous about the AGW/Anti-AGW and Darwinism/Creationism/ID debates. Folks implying the debate is over, the science is settled and anyone who doesn't agree is anti-science.
Imagine folks ridiculing Einstein's theories since Newtonian Physics is "settled science"? It seems ludicrous to us now, but wouldn't have at the time.
Only they didn't. Einstein made his case and the evidence backed him up. There were those who did not buy GR right away, but then the evidence coupled with the power of the argument convinced them. The same is the case for AGW.
Also, the myth of the lone scientist challenging the orthodoxy of his times with the other less capable scientists is an overly romanticized view of how real science gets done.
Consider QM... The overwhelming view began to form that QM was indeed the way the universe worked. The lone brave scientist who held out longer and more cleverly than anyone else was Einstein himself. Einstein was wrong about QM.
1183 | ladycatnip Thu, Aug 13, 2009 12:32:47pm |
#1179 rwdflynavy
Imagine folks ridiculing Einstein's theories since Newtonian Physics is "settled science"? It seems ludicrous to us now, but wouldn't have at the time.
That's the lovely thing about science (the non-politicized version) is that it IS open-ended. Even Einstein, the godfather of quantum physics, didn't agree with some aspects of it - the uncertainty principle - because he believed there could be nothing uncertain about physics. [no, I am not a physicist - just a wannabe who loves reading about it.] At least he didn't have a political party mocking him for that.