Here’s an excellent video presentation by potholer54 that debunks several very common false claims made by climate change skeptics, tracking them back to original sources and showing the deceptive tactics used by the denial industry. For example, the claim to which the title of this post refers (“Has the Earth Been Cooling for 10 Years?”) is based on a deliberate misinterpretation of temperature data.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:19:09pm |
911? Would you please roll 4 or 5 meatwagons to LGF, and have them bring some charcoal.
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Guanxi88 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:19:51pm |
Talk about hings heating up!
The explosion came a day after India and Pakistan agreed to meet for high-level talks in New Delhi on February 25. New Delhi suspended a four-year-old peace process with Islamabad after the Mumbai attacks, blamed on Pakistani-based militants.
Police said the bomb was hidden in a bag left in the German Bakery restaurant, a favorite of Jewish and European visitors, when it was full of tourists on Saturday evening.
“We heard a big noise and we all rushed out. The impact was so much that there were tiny body parts everywhere,” said Vinod Dhale, an employee at the bakery.
No one has claimed responsibility for the attack, which also wounded 32 people. But any sign of Pakistani involvement would worsen relations between the two nuclear rivals and further destabilize a region overshadowed by war in Afghanistan.
“Let us wait for the forensic report before we draw any conclusion,” said Home (interior) Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram. “Let us not speculate,” he urged reporters and promised that his ministry would issue an official statement on the attack every 4-6 hours.
Debris was strewn all around the bakery, located near an ashram or religious retreat which is also frequented by foreigners, and a Jewish center. The impact of the blast knocked the bakery’s sign off, blew out windows and left a large crater inside the restaurant.
“It (the bomb) was under one of the tables … We transferred lots of people to the ambulances … there is no German Bakery any more,” one foreigner, short of breath and resting against a wall, told local CNN-IBN television.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:25:28pm |
In geological time, 10 years is like TOTALLY FOREVER!!!!!1
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:27:38pm |
Ur-un-us…. (My reaction to how he pronounces it)
“We got tired of that pathetic years ago, now its called Urectum!”
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:31:43pm |
“God is still up there”… I’m surprised to see someone so explicit about the motives behind their denialism. AGW doesn’t exist because God would never allow such a thing.
And I’m totally done with all these discussions about whether the earth is “warming” or “cooling” - just call it climate change and be done with it. Some of it is man-made, some of it is not - we know the properties of the chemicals we release into the atmosphere. etc etc.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:33:57pm |
re: #5 Vambo
“God is still up there”… I’m surprised to see someone so explicit about the motives behind their denialism. AGW doesn’t exist because God would never allow such a thing.
And I’m totally done with all these discussions about whether the earth is “warming” or “cooling” - just call it climate change and be done with it. Some of it is man-made, some of it is not - we know the properties of the chemicals we release into the atmosphere. etc etc.
Well God promised he would never try to wipe out humanity with a gigantic flood ever again, and global warming means the ice caps melt which means, that waters rise, which means floods that might put humanity in danger, and if either G-d is wrong or the data is who are you gonna believe?
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:36:35pm |
re: #6 jamesfirecat
Well God promised he would never try to wipe out humanity with a gigantic flood ever again, and global warming means the ice caps melt which means, that waters rise, which means floods that might put humanity in danger, and if either G-d is wrong or the data is who are you gonna believe?
In an effort to compromise, I’ll posit that the deity is up there, but the deity is Kali.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:37:24pm |
And I’m totally done with all these discussions about whether the earth is “warming” or “cooling” - just call it climate change and be done with it
No ,, the earth is WARMING ,, so call it that
“Climate change’ is too broad a term. It’s a catch all phrase open to anything one wants it to be
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Ojoe Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:37:30pm |
I bet it takes more energy to run an ice age (all the precipitation has to be evaporated in the first place, & then transported on the wind, both taking energy).
Maybe that’s where we are headed.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:42:50pm |
re: #7 Decatur Deb
In an effort to compromise, I’ll posit that the deity is up there, but the deity is Kali.
If I might quote Yatzhee…
“The root problem with Christianity is that their good is suppose to be all powerful and benevolent, it sounds like a easy sell but when life turns completely to s*** you have to come up with all kinds of whacked out reasons for why kindly old Jahova saw fit to run over little Timmy with a combine harvester and leave him in a state of vegetative limbless agony for 18 years. Ancient cultures didn’t have that problem, they knew their gods were a bunch of drunken lunatics who ran around boning their close relatives and turning the gooleys into fruit bear trees.”
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:44:07pm |
re: #10 jamesfirecat
If I might quote Yatzhee…
“The root problem with Christianity is that their good is suppose to be all powerful and benevolent, it sounds like a easy sell but when life turns completely to s*** you have to come up with all kinds of whacked out reasons for why kindly old Jahova saw fit to run over little Timmy with a combine harvester and leave him in a state of vegetative limbless agony for 18 years. Ancient cultures didn’t have that problem, they knew their gods were a bunch of drunken lunatics who ran around boning their close relatives and turning the gooleys into fruit bear trees.”
[Link: www.escapistmagazine.com…]
It’s really simpler than that… there is a problem with mystical thinking, which is defective thinking and carries no relation to critical thinking and logical thinking.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:45:37pm |
“His comments were as offensive as you can get,” a label insider said. “Some African-American artists will definitely stand their ground and just write him off. Mayer’s comments are not only unacceptable, they’re illogical and totally irrational for somebody who is as smart as he is supposed to be.”
looks like Mayer stepped in the shit
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:46:46pm |
re: #12 albusteve
“His comments were as offensive as you can get,” a label insider said. “Some African-American artists will definitely stand their ground and just write him off. Mayer’s comments are not only unacceptable, they’re illogical and totally irrational for somebody who is as smart as he is supposed to be.”
looks like Mayer stepped in the shit
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
I’m so sorry for Him…I really am
How the great have fallen
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:51:16pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:54:47pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:55:02pm |
re: #14 sattv4u2
re: #13 HoosierHoops
Hate to see it. It’s a real quandry when you enjoy a persons work but don’t like ‘him”
I guess you can only grit your teeth and bear it.
I have a strong dislike for people who are antisemitic but that doesn’t mean I can’t think that Ride of the Valkyries sounds awesome during helicopter attack scenes in movies.
Though I suppose there’s another another level of complexity to the whole thing when the person involved is still alive….
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:55:43pm |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
I guess you can only grit your teeth and bear it.
I have a strong dislike for people who are antisemitic but that doesn’t mean I can’t think that Ride of the Valkyries sounds awesome during helicopter attack scenes in movies.
Though I suppose there’s another another level of complexity to the whole thing when the person involved is still alive…
Who is John Mayer?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:55:59pm |
Tales of American entrepreneurship:
Just took my car out of the garage for the first time in over a week. I had to go get an essential prescription before the pharmacy closed, so I just powered through the snow drift into the minimally plowed alley. I figured I’d have a fun time getting back in the garage, e.g. get a heart attack shoveling my way in.
There were two guys with shovels digging out cars as I came to the end of the alley. I asked what they would want for clearing the ice and snow drift in front of the garage. “Twenty bucks, and we’ll be done by the time you get back.” Deal. So I came back and they had cleared the entire area, including my back gate, which I didn’t even ask for.
Two Hopkins med students making money for books. Tim and Tom. Nicest guys you could meet. And when they saw the old BMW motorcycle in the garage that I don’t ride anymore (hard to accommodate a service dog on a bike), they offered me top dollar to buy it. So I spent twenty dollars for good work and stand to make a nice little cash bundle on the bike.
I have always depended on the kindness of strangers and serendipitous chance encounters.
God bless Americans.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:56:15pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:57:06pm |
re: #13 HoosierHoops
I’m so sorry for Him…I really am
How the great have fallen
I don’t even know who he is… but if this is the sort of things he said, I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I’m glad it came out, nothing better than a good example of how not to step in your own shit.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:58:13pm |
re: #18 Cato the Elder
Tales of American entrepreneurship:
snip… So I came back and they had cleared the entire area, including my back gate, which I didn’t even ask for.
Two Hopkins med students making money for books. Tim and Tom. Nicest guys you could meet. And when they saw the old BMW motorcycle in the garage that I don’t ride anymore (hard to accommodate a service dog on a bike), they offered me top dollar to buy it. So I spent twenty dollars for good work and stand to make a nice little cash bundle on the bike.
I have always depended on the kindness of strangers and serendipitous chance encounters.
God bless Americans.
I named my MG Midget “Blanche”, because of all the push-starts.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:59:36pm |
re: #12 albusteve
Whenever you use the N-word, there are going to be serious consequences,” an A-list Hollywood record executive told Pop Tarts.
…
“His comments were as offensive as you can get,” a label insider said. “Some African-American artists will definitely stand their ground and just write him off. Mayer’s comments are not only unacceptable, they’re illogical and totally irrational for somebody who is as smart as he is supposed to be.”
I think it’s kinda odd that Fox news is reporting this “outrage” relying mostly on anonymous sources. I don’t think it’s going to be that bad for him unless somebody uncovers some other racist agenda from him. He is a Ron Paul supporter so it’s a possibility.
He also does standup comedy and hangs out with comedians a lot so I suspect that he’s used to speaking in a less PC tone, as comedians tend to do. It’s also a possibility that this is a manufactured incident designed to generate publicity for himself.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 3:59:38pm |
re: #21 Decatur Deb
I named my MG Midget “Blanche”, because of all the push-starts.
I think I’m in love with you. Except rumor has it you’re really a guy, or did I dream that?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:00:28pm |
re: #18 Cato the Elder
Tales of American entrepreneurship:
Just took my car out of the garage for the first time in over a week. I had to go get an essential prescription before the pharmacy closed, so I just powered through the snow drift into the minimally plowed alley. I figured I’d have a fun time getting back in the garage, e.g. get a heart attack shoveling my way in.
There were two guys with shovels digging out cars as I came to the end of the alley. I asked what they would want for clearing the ice and snow drift in front of the garage. “Twenty bucks, and we’ll be done by the time you get back.” Deal. So I came back and they had cleared the entire area, including my back gate, which I didn’t even ask for.
Two Hopkins med students making money for books. Tim and Tom. Nicest guys you could meet. And when they saw the old BMW motorcycle in the garage that I don’t ride anymore (hard to accommodate a service dog on a bike), they offered me top dollar to buy it. So I spent twenty dollars for good work and stand to make a nice little cash bundle on the bike.
I have always depended on the kindness of strangers and serendipitous chance encounters.
God bless Americans.
yuppers…America is a very cool place, by and large…but then I’m always prowling around for a good vibe, and easy to find too
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:01:19pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
Bottom line, no excuse for this sort of behavior, period. Right?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:02:22pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
I think it’s kinda odd that Fox news is reporting this “outrage” relying mostly on anonymous sources. I don’t think it’s going to be that bad for him unless somebody uncovers some other racist agenda from him. He is a Ron Paul supporter so it’s a possibility.
He also does standup comedy and hangs out with comedians a lot so I suspect that he’s used to speaking in a less PC tone, as comedians tend to do. It’s also a possibility that this is a manufactured incident designed to generate publicity for himself.
I thinks it’s mostly fluff…I’m not gonna hunt down the interview because I don’t really care…who knows? (Fox probably doesn’t)…but you raise good points
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:02:24pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
I think it’s kinda odd that Fox news is reporting this “outrage” relying mostly on anonymous sources. I don’t think it’s going to be that bad for him unless somebody uncovers some other racist agenda from him. He is a Ron Paul supporter so it’s a possibility.
He also does standup comedy and hangs out with comedians a lot so I suspect that he’s used to speaking in a less PC tone, as comedians tend to do. It’s also a possibility that this is a manufactured incident designed to generate publicity for himself.
He was drunk during the Playboy interview too — malt whisky. Hittin’ the hard stuff. He has “not ready for massive success” syndrome.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:02:50pm |
re: #20 Walter L. Newton
I don’t even know who he is… but if this is the sort of things he said, I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I’m glad it came out, nothing better than a good example of how not to step in your own shit.
I saw John in Chicago in 2007.. He dedicated every note from his Guitar to BB King…
I have a friend in California that when we hug it out.. He says ..My White Boy..
I say my N*gger.. We are deeply close and nothing or no one will ever change that…
I’m sorry this happened.. and yes..It brings tears to my eyes…
Thou shall not judge man….or his heart…
Mayer is not a bigot cause he said a word…There is no color to our soul.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:03:35pm |
re: #29 Charles
He was drunk during the Playboy interview too — malt whisky. Hittin’ the hard stuff. He has “not ready for massive success” syndrome.
a star is born!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:05:09pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:05:27pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:07:42pm |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
re: #29 Charles
re: #31 albusteve
re: #30 HoosierHoops
So, I’m confused… if this report is correct, and drunk or not, no one has a problem with this?
Just asking.
I don’t condone using that word in any circumstance…whether he is my soul brother or not…if I did Charley would knock the shit out of me…just not cool
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:07:50pm |
I haven’t read the original comments so will reserve opinion. If he were a politician or some such, it would matter. He’s an entertainer. I still watch drunk a-hole Mel Gibson. People say and do stupid stuff. And I think its hyper ridiculous that people who make their living saying the most disgusting things to their friends, relatives, and fans (b——, whore, etc.) then can’t stand it when their least favorite word gets bantied about.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:08:06pm |
re: #32 Walter L. Newton
re: #29 Charles
re: #31 albusteve
re: #30 HoosierHoops
So, I’m confused… if this report is correct, and drunk or not, no one has a problem with this?
Just asking.
It’s incompletely reported from a suspect source. It’s also about the entertainment world, which has learned the value of manicured outrage.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:09:40pm |
re: #36 Decatur Deb
It’s incompletely reported from a suspect source. It’s also about the entertainment world, which has learned the value of manicured outrage.
“Manicured outrage”! I love it.
Sorta ties in with the Limousine Liberal ethos, doesn’t it?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:09:45pm |
re: #35 Escaped Hillbilly
I still watch drunk a-hole Mel Gibson.
That’s a good point. It’s even worse for Mel because he has a history of antisemitic remarks and his father is a raving bigot. Mel survives just fine.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:10:36pm |
re: #37 Cato the Elder
“Manicured outrage”! I love it.
Sorta ties in with the Limousine Liberal ethos, doesn’t it?
“No such thing as bad publicity….”
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:11:13pm |
John Mayer will continue his rise to fame…guaranteed…a month from now nobody will give a shit what he said to anybody
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keloyd Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:11:58pm |
I did not know who this boy band musician was until this quote appeared and I put his name to some songs I don’t like but recognized. That said, his comments were not racist. A drunk guy’s words were unguarded and vulgar, not for the first or last time. The language was vulgar in a racist way instead of a sexist or scatological way, but they ultimately carry no real meaning, given the context.
It was more racist when Teddy Kennedy or Barney Frank used silver tongued and pleasant words to say that various minorities are like children who need to be looked after by benevolent patron saints like themselves.
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:12:06pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
Agree worse because there’s a history. Disagree worse because of his father. Sins of the father? No. My grandparents were so rantingly bigoted and sexist they could have given Archie Bunker a run for his money. Not so my mom and less so my dad. Think people are responsible for themselves, not their antecedents.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:12:13pm |
re: #40 albusteve
John Mayer will continue his rise to fame…guaranteed…a month from now nobody will give a shit what he said to anybody
Gravity..
Stay the hell away from me…
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:12:34pm |
re: #38 Killgore Trout
That’s a good point. It’s even worse for Mel because he has a history of antisemitic remarks and his father is a raving bigot. Mel survives just fine.
he’s worth billions…that makes a difference, jus sayin
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:13:32pm |
re: #12 albusteve
looks like Mayer stepped in the shit
[Link: www.foxnews.com…]
Yeah, he’s a douchebag…
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:13:33pm |
As far as believing what you read on a blog - I doubt just about everything nowadays. In fact, I’m 93.7325% sure you people are all a figment of my imagination.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:13:41pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:13:59pm |
re: #36 Decatur Deb
It’s incompletely reported from a suspect source. It’s also about the entertainment world, which has learned the value of manicured outrage.
I love it… if it’s an entertainer, then there are excuses… if it were a conservative… all hell would break loose. I wish someone would produce a list to let me know all the levels of racism and when it’s appropriate and when it’s not.
//
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:15:02pm |
re: #46 Racer X
As far as believing what you read on a blog - I doubt just about everything nowadays. In fact, I’m 93.7325% sure you people are all a figment of my imagination.
Then damn it, start imagining me in Tahiti…also, I could lose a few pounds please.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:15:31pm |
re: #48 Walter L. Newton
I love it… if it’s an entertainer, then there are excuses… if it were a conservative… all hell would break loose. I wish someone would produce a list to let me know all the levels of racism and when it’s appropriate and when it’s not.
//
I think someone just said he leans Paulish. I don’t know anything about him except the music played here.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:16:17pm |
Meyer is a musical genius who happens to be an arrogant little Paulian racist.
When John Lennon said, arrogantly, that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ it created a momentary sensation but most fans gave him a musical pass. That is what should happen here, unless Meyer himself keeps digging.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:16:20pm |
re: #48 Walter L. Newton
I love it… if it’s an entertainer, then there are excuses… if it were a conservative… all hell would break loose. I wish someone would produce a list to let me know all the levels of racism and when it’s appropriate and when it’s not.
//
you have to nuance these situations…it’s a very complicated, thinking man’s game…find a book
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:17:04pm |
re: #36 Decatur Deb
It’s incompletely reported from a suspect source. It’s also about the entertainment world, which has learned the value of manicured outrage.
MTV is a suspect source…
mtv.com
LA Times is a suspected source…
latimesblogs.latimes.com
ABC News is a suspected source…
abcnews.go.com
Shows you what I don’t know.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:18:39pm |
re: #46 Racer X
As far as believing what you read on a blog - I doubt just about everything nowadays. In fact, I’m 93.7325% sure you people are all a figment of my imagination.
Are you sure you even have a body these days? You might just be a brain in a vat!
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:18:55pm |
re: #51 Spare O’Lake
Meyer is a musical genius who happens to be an arrogant little Paulian racist.
When John Lennon said, arrogantly, that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ it created a momentary sensation but most fans gave him a musical pass. That is what should happen here, unless Meyer himself keeps digging.
have you ever seen the Lennon interview?…he was in fact ripping on the hysteria surrounding the band, and in fact tried to clarify his statement more than once….if you really think that was made from arrogance than I say you are wrong…it wasn’t….Lennon was anything but arrogant
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:20:32pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
MTV is a suspect source…
[Link: www.mtv.com…]LA Times is a suspected source…
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com…]ABC News is a suspected source…
[Link: abcnews.go.com…]You over-rate my concern about this guy. I’ve got 60 heavily armed racists between me and the next stoplight.
Shows you what I don’t know.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:20:32pm |
re: #55 albusteve
have you ever seen the Lennon interview?…he was in fact ripping on the hysteria surrounding the band, and in fact tried to clarify his statement more than once…if you really think that was made from arrogance than I say you are wrong…it wasn’t…Lennon was anything but arrogant
I only saw it about a million times.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:21:10pm |
re: #51 Spare O’Lake
Meyer is a musical genius who happens to be an arrogant little Paulian racist.
When John Lennon said, arrogantly, that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ it created a momentary sensation but most fans gave him a musical pass. That is what should happen here, unless Meyer himself keeps digging.
Here’s the exact line if anyone here is interested, I am since I’ve been playing a lot of Beatles Rockband recently….
“Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now; I don’t know which will go first - rock ‘n’ roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.”
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:21:15pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:21:34pm |
re: #57 Decatur Deb
Yea… I love the knee-jerk reaction because the link was to Fox.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:22:27pm |
re: #59 jamesfirecat
Here’s the exact line if anyone here is interested, I am since I’ve been playing a lot of Beatles Rockband recently…
“Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn’t argue with that; I’m right and I will be proved right. We’re more popular than Jesus now; I don’t know which will go first - rock ‘n’ roll or Christianity. Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.”
seems he was right with regard to America and the religious right…good call John
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:22:34pm |
re: #53 Walter L. Newton
[Link: abcnews.go.com…]
Ha-ha, last sentence in ABC story…he failed. Douchebag. Still don’t care (seeing as how I didn’t know who he was before). Still think his biggest critics are being a bit hypocritical.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:22:42pm |
re: #62 Walter L. Newton
Yea… I love the knee-jerk reaction because the link was to Fox.
I wouldn’t trust any of those sources for anything significant.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:22:51pm |
re: #62 Walter L. Newton
Yea… I love the knee-jerk reaction because the link was to Fox.
hahaha!….it’s all a lie!
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:23:22pm |
re: #63 albusteve
seems he was right with regard to America and the religious right…good call John
Yep, as the saying goes,
Jesus was way Cool!
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laZardo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:24:23pm |
re: #59 jamesfirecat
Didn’t Pele claim to be more popular than Jesus at one point?
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:24:33pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
Yep, as the saying goes,
Jesus was way Cool!
[Link: tvtropes.org…]
He was a wine-bibber. Cool enough for me.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:25:26pm |
Happy New Year everyone!
Wishing good health, happiness and wealth to all!
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Escaped Hillbilly Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:25:33pm |
Well, I have midnight to morning duty so had better get a bit of sleep in. Bye all.
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:25:40pm |
I think John Mayer will continue on the same trajectory. He’ll be judged on the strength of his next album, like anyone else.
He puts himself out there with these interviews and twitters. I think he tells everyone way too much information. I think he has some strange views of women. I am way past thinking that artists should be judged as someone involved in my life. I don’t know these people. Why should I expect them to be balanced and rational when a)they are artistic people and b)it has nothing to do with me?
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:25:51pm |
re: #68 laZardo
Didn’t Pele claim to be more popular than Jesus at one point?
That I’ve got no idea about. I don’t follow Soccer /non American Football…
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:26:06pm |
re: #7 Decatur Deb
In an effort to compromise, I’ll posit that the deity is up there, but the deity is Kali.
What’s in a name?
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:26:07pm |
re: #70 Racer X
Happy New Year everyone!
Wishing good health, happiness and wealth to all!
Year of the Tiger!
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:26:44pm |
Charles,
I applaud your efforts to clear the air IRT global warming, climate change, or whatever it’s being called these days. With that being said, I think your efforts, while valiant, are largely falling on deaf ears. It isn’t that the “science” isn’t behind you; anyone who does an iota of research knows that the earth is warming and has been for quite some time. It isn’t that your arguments aren’t well reasoned or well cited; you clearly stay on topic and don’t rant an rave like a lunatic. The problem with this issue is that there has been the “appearance” or “perception” of scientific impropriety which has been trumped up by the talking heads (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.). We live in a world where perception is reality. Unfortunately, many people do not want to take the time or put in the effort needed to properly educate themselves on any issue. They would rather let someone else do all the thinking for them and then press the “I believe” button and call it a day. As much as it sucks, I don’t think this attitude towards science or important issues is going away anytime soon. So it doesn’t matter if there is irrefutable scientific proof that the earth is going to be 100 degrees Celsius in 50 years or whatever the prediction; people don’t give a s*** because someone has told them not to. Present company excluded, we live in a world of morons, the likes of which are easily swayed by Rush, Sean and Glenn. The only real solution to this intelligence problem is to convince the populace one person at a time. Thank you for fighting the good fight and helping the cause. I applaud your persistence and maybe that is all we need; a start.
v/r
JP1101
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:27:40pm |
re: #67 jamesfirecat
Yep, as the saying goes,
Jesus was way Cool!
[Link: tvtropes.org…]
He was a 1st century “Rabbi” who met the same end as all the other rebels that roused themselves against the establish order of the time. And then his small band of followers expanded on the myth until we have what we have today.
Sort of like the Tea Party.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:27:50pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:29:16pm |
re: #79 sattv4u2
Wasn;’t that Mel Gibsons ‘excuse’ regarding anti-semetic remarks??
John Barleycorn…troublemaker
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:29:26pm |
re: #77 Jetpilot1101
Charles,
I applaud your efforts to clear the air IRT global warming, climate change, or whatever it’s being called these days. With that being said, I think your efforts, while valiant, are largely falling on deaf ears. It isn’t that the “science” isn’t behind you; anyone who does an iota of research knows that the earth is warming and has been for quite some time. It isn’t that your arguments aren’t well reasoned or well cited; you clearly stay on topic and don’t rant an rave like a lunatic. The problem with this issue is that there has been the “appearance” or “perception” of scientific impropriety which has been trumped up by the talking heads (Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.). We live in a world where perception is reality. Unfortunately, many people do not want to take the time or put in the effort needed to properly educate themselves on any issue. They would rather let someone else do all the thinking for them and then press the “I believe” button and call it a day. As much as it sucks, I don’t think this attitude towards science or important issues is going away anytime soon. So it doesn’t matter if there is irrefutable scientific proof that the earth is going to be 100 degrees Celsius in 50 years or whatever the prediction; people don’t give a s*** because someone has told them not to. Present company excluded, we live in a world of morons, the likes of which are easily swayed by Rush, Sean and Glenn. The only real solution to this intelligence problem is to convince the populace one person at a time. Thank you for fighting the good fight and helping the cause. I applaud your persistence and maybe that is all we need; a start.
v/r
JP1101
Well, come back Monday, I will be posting an interesting essay on the subject.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:30:23pm |
re: #79 sattv4u2
Wasn;’t that Mel Gibsons ‘excuse’ regarding anti-semetic remarks??
I believe it was… and because of that, I won’t support any future Mel Gibson ventures of any sort.
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:30:45pm |
re: #13 HoosierHoops
If he appears truly remorseful and keeps his mouth shut for a while, except when singing, I think he’ll be alright. To me his comments are more stupid than malicious. His “ghetto pass” as he put it will probably just be suspended and not revoked.
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Jetpilot1101 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:31:05pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
I should be around although I do have to work. I look forward to reading it.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:32:25pm |
re: #82 Walter L. Newton
I believe it was… and because of that, I won’t support any future Mel Gibson ventures of any sort.
In vino veritas - when someone is drunk, what they say tends to be what the really think.
It should be a precept of law to give more weight to intoxicated statements than sober.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:32:49pm |
re: #78 Walter L. Newton
He was a 1st century “Rabbi” who met the same end as all the other rebels that roused themselves against the establish order of the time. And then his small band of followers expanded on the myth until we have what we have today.
Sort of like the Tea Party.
To be fair, didn’t the original Tea Partiers win in the end unlike Jesus?
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:32:50pm |
I saw this over on Balloon Juice and was wondering if any other polling outfits break down their respondents by region?
Because Research 2000 (yes I know it is a poll paid for Daily KOS) breaks down Obama’s approval rating by region and only in the South does he actually have a low rating.
dailykos.com
BARACK OBAMA
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
NORTHEAST………89 8 3
SOUTH… ………..26 70 4
MIDWEST…………61 37 2
WEST…………….60 38 2
REST OF USA……..69 29 2
I
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:35:58pm |
this just in…
Jennifer Aniston No Longer Has Hollywood’s ‘Most Desired’ Body
Jennifer Aniston may have a figure that most would consider close to perfect, but apparently it wasn’t enough to help her keep her title as Hollywood’s most desired body.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:35:59pm |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
In vino veritas - when someone is drunk, what they say tends to be what the really think.
It should be a precept of law to give more weight to intoxicated statements than sober.
Hmmm,,,, perhaps there should be a new rule
Whilst testifying in open court, you must have had a fifth before being allowed to TAKE 5th!!!
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ulmsey123 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:36:07pm |
I’m confused. Didn’t the IPCC admit that the Earth did in fact actually cool the last ten years? And didn’t the warmers suggest that this cooling period was just a blip in the larger picture of global warming? Why change the story now?
And hasn’t the world been warming for thousands of years since the last ice age?
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:36:52pm |
re: #85 Cato the Elder
In vino veritas - when someone is drunk, what they say tends to be what the really think.
It should be a precept of law to give more weight to intoxicated statements than sober.
I once interviewed a guy for a job who was drunk. He didn’t get the job.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:37:28pm |
re: #91 Racer X
I once interviewed a guy for a job who was drunk. He didn’t get the job.
Unless the job was professional wine taster you made the right choice.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:39:22pm |
re: #72 prairiefire
I think John Mayer will continue on the same trajectory. He’ll be judged on the strength of his next album, like anyone else.
He puts himself out there with these interviews and twitters. I think he tells everyone way too much information. I think he has some strange views of women. I am way past thinking that artists should be judged as someone involved in my life. I don’t know these people. Why should I expect them to be balanced and rational when a)they are artistic people and b)it has nothing to do with me?
I think you make a good point, with one small proviso. In the case of a song-writer who happens on occasion to exhibit right wing racist views, it might cause a bit of anxiety concerning the sincerity of some of his song lyrics. Maybe just a little.
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laZardo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:39:50pm |
In Cuba, all drivers are equal, but some drivers are more equal than others.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:40:49pm |
re: #92 jamesfirecat
UnlessEven if the job was professional wine taster you made the right choice.
FTFY.
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NogenDavid Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:41:06pm |
Phil Jones still thinks that most of the global warming in the second part of the twentieth century is anthropogenic. But in his very recent BBC interview, he also acknowledges that the MWP may have been as warm, that there have been similar rises in temperatures in the past, and that there are many uncertainties:
Q”When scientists say “the debate on climate change is over”, what exactly do they mean - and what don’t they mean?
A. “It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don’t believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well. “
The science is settled?
Mr. Jones does not seem to think so.
I believe a reasonable person can have less confidence than Mr. Jones continuing view about the probable causes of GW in in the 1990s. Data about the past and even the present leaves much uncertainty; there is limit in addressing a complex and unique system to how much understanding can be derived from controlled and isolated experiments in the way that hard sciences like basic physics progress; some of the causal factors in climate change are poorly understood. Others may be unknown or undiscovered. And the political biases of scientists matter because subject estimates of how much is unknown, for example, depend largely on intuition, not hard science, and that tends to be influenced by ideology.
The routine answers are not convincing. “The scientific principles are known.” Some trivial ones are: Co2 is a greenhouse gas. But even if they all were - and this is very doubtful - how simple principle interact with uncertain initial conditions in complex conditions is hard to predict and understand.
No more convincing are the familiar rhetorical tricks to hide the decline in reasons for believing the previous orthodoxy. You can characterize “sceptics are “deniers”; say they do not have arguments, only “talking points”. Much as this may strengthen group solidarity and deter the questioner, these are not devices that should sway anone interested in the substance of the debate.
You can keep saying the refereed publications are all in favour of AGW but what about the over 500 that aren’t; populartechnology.net ?)
As for the point that I have no right to an opinion because I am not a climate scientist, public policy (and court cases) are not decided by specialists, but lay people who listen to experts and arrive at their rational assessments of them. That applies to you who think the science is settled no less than me.
A peaceful and pleasant weekend to you all.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:41:16pm |
re: #92 jamesfirecat
Unless the job
was professional wine tasterOtis,,, Town drunk, Mayberry RFD,,you made the right choice.
ftfy
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:42:16pm |
SixPackTech.
Friday Night Blue Collar Brew Review – Three Floyds Alpha King Pale Ale
…The more I sipped on this beer the more I liked it and the more I appreciated the guys who rave over these hoppy beers. Thrown into that mix, add the brewers at Three Floyds for making a beer which is tasty and flavorful and doesn’t destroy your tonsils on the way down. At 66 IBUs, this is rated high in bitterness in my head. But when I taste how the hops blend in with the rest of the ingredients in this beer, I must give proper credit to the 3F’s brewmasters. This is a helluva good tasting beer.
[snip]
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:42:21pm |
re: #93 Spare O’Lake
That’s true. And for the people who are interested in the artist, they can plumb those depths.
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:43:00pm |
re: #92 jamesfirecat
Unless the job was professional wine taster you made the right choice.
The professionals don’t become inebriated.
Similar to practitioners of another profession, they don’t swallow.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:44:26pm |
re: #101 ryannon
The professionals don’t become inebriated.
Similar to practitioners of another profession, they don’t swallow.
I know, I was making a joke at the time but sadly it doesn’t seem to have played that well, forgot my protective smiley face…
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exelwood Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:44:59pm |
I’ll believe anything told in a plummy accent. :)
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:45:33pm |
Every year, the self-styled world’s biggest party in the Brazilian beach-side city brings with it the pungent perfume conjured up by thousands of beer-soaked revellers relieving themselves on the nearest wall or in gutters.
savages….neandethals
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:45:44pm |
re: #94 laZardo
In Cuba, all drivers are equal, but some drivers are more equal than others.
Its tecnicolor repression!
I mean so many rulers there days only care for blacks and greys its just so boring!
;)
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:46:15pm |
re: #101 ryannon
The professionals don’t become inebriated.
Similar to practitioners of another profession, they don’t swallow.
Tell that to my sommelier friend. He swallows. He also smokes Dunhills like a fiend. When I asked whether that affected his wine judgment, he told me no, many tasters are heavy smokers. They call it the “tobacco palate”, and it’s supposed to enhance your powers.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:46:59pm |
re: #77 Jetpilot1101
I agree with you. I know a smart person who thinks AGW is a hoax because that’s what Limbaugh calls it.
The only real solution to this intelligence problem is to convince the populace one person at a time.
That’s the key. I became convinced here, now I’m working on the smart person I know. One key so far was showing why Limbaugh believes as he does, ie: “God is still up there…” as Inhofe said in the above video. Chip away at the disbelief.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:47:10pm |
re: #97 NogenDavid
Have you looked on the excellent site skepticalscience.com, for the answers to most of your questions?
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:47:37pm |
re: #88 albusteve
this just in…
Jennifer Aniston No Longer Has Hollywood’s ‘Most Desired’ BodyJennifer Aniston may have a figure that most would consider close to perfect, but apparently it wasn’t enough to help her keep her title as Hollywood’s most desired body.
Wow, the surprising things one never knew. Good thing only Hollywood was voting.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:49:06pm |
re: #109 Naso Tang
Wow, the surprising things one never knew. Good thing only Hollywood was voting.
the heartbeat of America!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:49:39pm |
re: #109 Naso Tang
Wow, the surprising things one never knew. Good thing only Hollywood was voting.
I was surprised to read the article and discover that “most desired body” does not mean “the body I’d most like to fuck” but “the body I’d most like to have”.
If I were a girl looking for surgically produced perfection, I must say I’d want to be Angelina far more than Jen.
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:51:05pm |
It appears that the, University of Alabama Killer, killed her younger brother 20 yrs ago.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:51:12pm |
re: #108 Obdicut
Have you looked on the excellent site [Link: www.skepticalscience.com,…] for the answers to most of your questions?
And on Monday, I will be posting an essay that I wrote that will delve deeply in the process, procedure and policy problems with the data modeling programs that have been used at CRU for almost 20 years. It is over 14 thousand words and it will be posted in 3 or 4 continuing comments.
I will also post a link to the complete WORD document for those who want to have the complete essay in one document.
This essay is not a monograph against AGW, but it does discuss the problems with certain people and organizations who are doing more harm than good to honest climate science and the climate science community.
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:52:47pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:53:20pm |
re: #112 zora
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
It appears that the, University of Alabama Killer, killed her younger brother 20 yrs ago.
Well does this just add another new wonderful layer of WTFery to the whole mix?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:53:52pm |
re: #112 zora
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
It appears that the, University of Alabama Killer, killed her younger brother 20 yrs ago.
Instapundit put up a post today accusing her of being a violent socialist.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:54:11pm |
BO drops the gloves…he’s gonna bust a few heads!
WASHINGTON — With much of his legislative agenda stalled in Congress, President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:54:25pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
Instapundit put up a post today accusing her of being a violent socialist.
*Facepalm*
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:54:57pm |
re: #116 Killgore Trout
Instapundit put up a post today accusing her of being a violent socialist.
maybe she is…4 dead bodies in her wake
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:55:24pm |
re: #117 albusteve
BO drops the gloves…he’s gonna bust a few heads!
WASHINGTON — With much of his legislative agenda stalled in Congress, President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities.[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Sounds like its time for Barack to become “The Rock” if I remeber the plot of a certain SNL skit correctly….
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:56:09pm |
re: #120 jamesfirecat
Sounds like its time for Barack to become “The Rock” if I remeber the plot of a certain SNL skit correctly…
he’s got no mojo….he’s getting desperate…big whoop
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:56:54pm |
re: #112 zora
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
It appears that the, University of Alabama Killer, killed her younger brother 20 yrs ago.
Add Huffpost to my list of suspect sources. The story as presented is very dis-believable.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:57:52pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Add Huffpost to my list of suspect sources. The story as presented is very dis-believable.
you don’t trust the police?….step over there please—————>
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:58:41pm |
re: #114 Racer X
Scientists who doubt climate change’s manmade origins are unpatriotic.
- Bill Nye (The Science Guy)
Ehh, no, that’s not what he said.
Behold!
Bill Nye, the Science Guy, agrees, going so far as to tell MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow that scientists who doubt climate change’s manmade origins are unpatriotic. “If you want to get serious about it, these guys claiming that the snow in Washington disproves climate change are almost unpatriotic — it’s as if they’re denying science,” Nye said.
Bolded for emphasis.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:59:31pm |
re: #87 webevintage
I saw this over on Balloon Juice and was wondering if any other polling outfits break down their respondents by region?
Because Research 2000 (yes I know it is a poll paid for Daily KOS) breaks down Obama’s approval rating by region and only in the South does he actually have a low rating.[Link: www.dailykos.com…]
BARACK OBAMA
FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
NORTHEAST……89 8 3
SOUTH… …26 70 4
MIDWEST……61 37 2
WEST……60 38 2
REST OF USA……69 29 2I
Here’s what they say:
A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally.
I will tell you that I have had a problem with their polls, because the adult population nationally is about 12-13% black. However, in the south it is double that, 30% or so, and in the town where I live, it’s actually very close to 50%.
If 30% of the population of many southern states is black, but calls into those states are polling only 12-13% in that state, then the poll numbers are not truly representative of “the south”.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:59:49pm |
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 4:59:58pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Add Huffpost to my list of suspect sources. The story as presented is very dis-believable.
CNN
Police: Alabama college shooting suspect killed her brother in 1986
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Unakite Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:00:07pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Add Huffpost to my list of suspect sources. The story as presented is very dis-believable.
I heard same on the radio this evening. Had an interview with the chief of police at the time. seems to be true.
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zora Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:00:28pm |
here it is, missed it the 1st time
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:00:42pm |
re: #122 Decatur Deb
Add Huffpost to my list of suspect sources. The story as presented is very dis-believable.
It’s being taken up by the NYT, the Boston Globe and the AP.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:00:47pm |
re: #128 Decatur Deb
Oh. That settles it then.
the guy said this at a news conference…would he go on the record and lie about it?…for what reason?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:01:59pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
Accidentally shot him after firing the shotgun four times.
now the records are missing?….COMMIE!
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:02:10pm |
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Racer X Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:02:24pm |
re: #134 MandyManners
Accidentally shot him after firing the shotgun four times.
Well, thats interesting.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:02:56pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:03:04pm |
re: #119 albusteve
maybe she is…4 dead bodies in her wake
Unlike the Tea Party activists who’ve been arrested with grenade launchers, it seems that her violence isn’t politically motivated.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:03:12pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:03:25pm |
re: #133 albusteve
the guy said this at a news conference…would he go on the record and lie about it?…for what reason?
I’d want to see some background docs on someone who puts several rounds into a person, then dances away with no paper trail. Could happen, needs lots of explanation.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:03:57pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Unlike the Tea Party activists who’ve been arrested with grenade launchers, it seems that her violence isn’t politically motivated.
it’s the politics of tenure…sure enough
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:04:11pm |
re: #142 MandyManners
How did people do it before gun powder?
Swords, before that, stones, before that…etc
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:04:27pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:05:27pm |
re: #143 Decatur Deb
I’d want to see some background docs on someone who puts several rounds into a person, then dances away with no paper trail. Could happen, needs lots of explanation.
only the deceased knows…and he ain’t talkin
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:06:51pm |
re: #148 MandyManners
Sticks?
Probably. We’ve been killing each other with just about anything we can for tens of thousands of years.
Humans!
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:07:14pm |
I said, put the bunny back in the box.
Such a cheesy movie, but great lines…..
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:08:09pm |
re: #111 Cato the Elder
I was surprised to read the article and discover that “most desired body” does not mean “the body I’d most like to fuck” but “the body I’d most like to have”.
If I were a girl looking for surgically produced perfection, I must say I’d want to be Angelina far more than Jen.
Since you take the frank approach, I’ll admit I was going to say it’s all relative to the position imagined.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:08:11pm |
re: #144 MandyManners
So? Dead is dead.
Yes, but her motivation for the murders does not appear to be politically motivated. The Tea Party guys who are stockpiling weapons to use against the their fellow Americans are politically motivated. Muslims who commit terrorism are religiously motivated. Motives are important.
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:08:33pm |
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:09:42pm |
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TampaKnight Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:09:57pm |
So I bought a banjo today….this should be fun.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:10:34pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Yes, but her motivation for the murders does not appear to be politically motivated. The Tea Party guys who are stockpiling weapons to use against the their fellow Americans are politically motivated. Muslims who commit terrorism are religiously motivated. Motives are important.
Radical Islam is a political religion.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:11:30pm |
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laZardo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:11:41pm |
re: #153 Varek Raith
Probably. We’ve been killing each other with just about anything we can for tens of thousands of years.
Humans!
So much for the value of life, eh?
/Comedian mode
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:12:27pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:13:02pm |
re: #163 Spare O’Lake
Radical Islam is a political religion.
Ummm… in this particular case, how do you go from “denied tenure” to “radical Islam”?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:13:06pm |
re: #157 ryannon
Officer Solimini informed me that before the booking process was completed Ms. Bishop was released from custody without being charged.I (Chief Frazier) spoke with the retired Deputy Chief who was then a Lieutenant and was responsible for booking Ms. Bishop. He said he had started the process when he received a phone call he believes was from then Police Chief John Polio or possibly from a captain on Chief Polio’s behalf. He was instructed to stop the booking process. At some point Ms. Bishop was turned over to her mother and they left the building via a rear exit.
Wow, they never even filed charges. Maybe her family is really well connected or something.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:13:10pm |
re: #112 zora
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
It appears that the, University of Alabama Killer, killed her younger brother 20 yrs ago.
Yup. Shot him. After an argument. Accidentally. Hence no charges.
Somehow, I think it’ll be hard to mount a similar defense with six people shot and three of them dead.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:13:41pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:14:18pm |
re: #157 ryannon
Chief Honco Cop Tells All:
Amy Bishop’s 1986 shooting of her brother, Seth
[Link: www.boston.com…]
I opened the pdf of the handwritten police day log. It was carried as “accidental”, at least for the entries shown.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:15:02pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Unlike the Tea Party activists who’ve been arrested with grenade launchers, it seems that her violence isn’t politically motivated.
TPers have committed violent acts using grenade launchers? When? Where?
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TampaKnight Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:15:20pm |
God bless our Marines fighting alongside NATO forces….surge began today. First to fight, last to leave!
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:15:33pm |
re: #174 Decatur Deb
She shot him three times with a shotgun. Accidentally.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:16:09pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
TPers have committed violent acts using grenade launchers? When? Where?
mortar barrage on the capitol…where were you?
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:16:48pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
Wow, they never even filed charges. Maybe her family is really well connected or something.
It’s odd that manslaughter charges weren’t filed, even in a case of an accidental shooting (although another police officer familiar with the case mentioned that the shooting took place after an argument).
Like I said yesterday, we’ll now start hearing about this woman’s questionable past.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:16:56pm |
re: #177 ryannon
She shot him three times with a shotgun. Accidentally.
an example of really bad gun control
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:17:24pm |
re: #177 ryannon
She shot him three times with a shotgun. Accidentally.
As I’m reading it, she hit him once, others rounds went in all directions.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:18:35pm |
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:18:48pm |
re: #181 Decatur Deb
As I’m reading it, she hit him once, others rounds went in all directions.
What kind of shotgun was it? Does anybody know? I mean you can pull the trigger on a loaded gun by mistake but how do you pump the next round into the chamber by accident?
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:19:11pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
Ummm… in this particular case, how do you go from “denied tenure” to “radical Islam”?
Lateral thinking is not a bad thing.
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:19:17pm |
re: #180 albusteve
an example of really bad
gunself control
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:19:17pm |
re: #184 jamesfirecat
What kind of shotgun was it? Does anybody know? I mean you can pull the trigger on a loaded gun by mistake but how do you pump the next round into the chamber by accident?
duh
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:19:23pm |
re: #182 ryannon
It had to be a pump action, then.
My 12 ga lets me fire just by pumping with the trigger held down.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:20:27pm |
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:20:28pm |
re: #188 Decatur Deb
My 12 ga lets me fire just by pumping with the trigger held down.
You should photoshop that onto your avatar.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:21:21pm |
re: #175 SixDegrees
TPers have committed violent acts using grenade launchers? When? Where?
That’s not what I said so I assume your question is not an honest one.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:21:28pm |
re: #164 MandyManners
Gotta’ go find The Kid. Bath time.
I like that you call him “The Kid”. I have a loony-left friend who calls her five-year-old “Little Man”. Gaaah!
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:05pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:10pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:12pm |
re: #184 jamesfirecat
What kind of shotgun was it? Does anybody know? I mean you can pull the trigger on a loaded gun by mistake but how do you pump the next round into the chamber by accident?
We don’t have much solid info. Don’t even know if it was a pump. Every way I turn this, it comes up with wrong answers. All will be revealed in time.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:17pm |
re: #187 albusteve
duh
Sorry my “catnip smoking liberal” side is showing. The only shotgun I’ve ever fired is an over under double barreled for skeet shooting, and even then I was horrible at it.
Too much time playing Light Gun games in the arcade, used to being able to take one shot and then correct my aim based on how I missed….
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:26pm |
the thread has moved on, but I wanted to post this anyways:
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:32pm |
re: #192 Cato the Elder
I like that you call him “The Kid”. I have a loony-left friend who calls her five-year-old “Little Man”. Gaaah!
You give The Kid a bath, but don’t know where he is?
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:53pm |
re: #166 laZardo
So much for the value of life, eh?
/Comedian mode
Human nature default, Neutral Evil.
;)
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Shiplord Kirel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:22:54pm |
re: #140 Killgore Trout
Unlike the Tea Party activists who’ve been arrested with grenade launchers, it seems that her violence isn’t politically motivated.
Hey, maybe the Tea Party guy just had a tenure review coming up.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:23:16pm |
re: #196 jamesfirecat
Sorry my “catnip smoking liberal” side is showing. The only shotgun I’ve ever fired is an over under double barreled for skeet shooting, and even then I was horrible at it.
Too much time playing Light Gun games in the arcade, used to being able to take one shot and then correct my aim based on how I missed…
ah, the point is, it wasn’t an accident
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:23:24pm |
re: #192 Cato the Elder
I like that you call him “The Kid”. I have a loony-left friend who calls her five-year-old “Little Man”. Gaaah!
We always refer to my son as “The Boy”…
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:23:41pm |
re: #192 Cato the Elder
“Little Man” sounds like they’re about to beat him up >>
“What’re you gonna do about it, little man?”
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:23:49pm |
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:24:35pm |
re: #189 albusteve
It’s ancient. When I found the safety literature, it made it sound unusual.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:25:01pm |
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:25:32pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
I will tell you that I have had a problem with their polls, because the adult population nationally is about 12-13% black. However, in the south it is double that, 30% or so, and in the town where I live, it’s actually very close to 50%.
If 30% of the population of many southern states is black, but calls into those states are polling only 12-13% in that state, then the poll numbers are not truly representative of “the south”.
Interesting.
I wonder how they break down the population regionally.
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laZardo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:25:36pm |
Gonna collapse for a bit due to 10K run this morning.
Happy New Year of the (HOLY CRAP THAT GUY’S TURNING INTO A) Tiger!
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:26:06pm |
re: #198 Naso Tang
You give The Kid a bath, but don’t know where he is?
I think that was meant for Mandy?
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:26:13pm |
re: #170 jamesfirecat
Ummm… in this particular case, how do you go from “denied tenure” to “radical Islam”?
The whole tenure angle seems to be fading. Most reports aren’t mentioning it anymore, and police are saying they don’t currently know of a motive.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:26:14pm |
re: #194 albusteve
mine…
[Link: www.stoegerindustries.com…]
Nice. I bet you could shoot turkey with it too.
The one I always wanted is a Drilling of one sort or another, but pricey as hell.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:26:29pm |
re: #195 Decatur Deb
We don’t have much solid info. Don’t even know if it was a pump. Every way I turn this, it comes up with wrong answers. All will be revealed in time.
One thing we already know for sure: she is one of those women you definitely don’t want to piss off.
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:29:00pm |
re: #211 SixDegrees
The whole tenure angle seems to be fading. Most reports aren’t mentioning it anymore, and police are saying they don’t currently know of a motive.
Clearly an accident.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:29:11pm |
re: #215 Bear
A semi-auto perhaps?
I’ll go back to the police document page. There are others I didn’t open.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:29:19pm |
re: #212 Naso Tang
Nice. I bet you could shoot turkey with it too.
The one I always wanted is a Drilling of one sort or another, but pricey as hell.
18” barrel…mostly for bad guys…but I could hit a turkey or a deer with a reasonable shot
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:30:13pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
It’s a big house and he’s nine. I can’t keep up with him all the time.
RFID. RFID…
:)
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:30:28pm |
re: #171 Killgore Trout
Wow, they never even filed charges. Maybe her family is really well connected or something.
More on this here, including this connection:
Chief John Polio dismissed detectives from the case and ordered the department to release Amy Bishop after a telephone conversation with former district attorney William Delahunt, who is currently a U.S. congressman from Massachusetts.
The way the shooting of the brother is described in this article, it does sound like an accident.
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:30:38pm |
re: #220 MandyManners
It’s a big house and he’s nine. I can’t keep up with him all the time.
More cowbell.
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:31:25pm |
re: #191 Killgore Trout
That’s not what I said so I assume your question is not an honest one.
No, it’s what you implied:
Unlike the Tea Party activists who’ve been arrested with grenade launchers, it seems that her violence isn’t politically motivated.
Your #156 only amplifies your implication.
I think it’s very clear what you meant.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:31:28pm |
re: #224 MandyManners
And I don’t give him a bath. I just tell him it’s time to do so himself.
get an air horn…that’s what I did
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:32:09pm |
re: #217 MandyManners
He prefers “Your Royal Highness” but I ain’t that much of a push-over.
I don’t know how old The Kid is, but my own parents refused to acknowledge my royalty until after I learned to bathe myself and wipe my own butt.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:33:22pm |
re: #208 webevintage
Interesting.
I wonder how they break down the population regionally.
I don’t know. It’s hard to tell from the information they give in their breakdown. This isn’t the first poll where I think the numbers in the “south” are skewed - now, the President could very well be much less popular here than in other areas of the country - but that is a HUGE difference, and I suspect it has to do with the polls not using regional demographics, but just the average nationally.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:33:40pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
That’d scare the snot out of the cat. He’d pack his valise and leave after a few days.
we lived in the country…cats were a secondary matter
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:33:42pm |
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SixDegrees Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:33:43pm |
re: #216 ryannon
Clearly an accident.
Yeah, that’s it.
Right now, though, I’m not trusting the media to do a good job. They basically suck at reporting events like this, and simply fall back on repeating anything and everything they hear, without any actual investigation or even thought applied.
I wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the tenure explanation was vaporware.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:34:17pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
That’d scare the snot out of the cat. He’d pack his valise and leave after a few days.
Hmm, he’d probably tell you all to pack your bags and keep the house to himself.
/;)
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:34:18pm |
re: #127 reine.de.tout
I will tell you that I have had a problem with their polls, because the adult population nationally is about 12-13% black. However, in the south it is double that, 30% or so, and in the town where I live, it’s actually very close to 50%.
If 30% of the population of many southern states is black, but calls into those states are polling only 12-13% in that state, then the poll numbers are not truly representative of “the south”.
I agree that it is odd. I wouldn’t believe any poll not conducted by one of the main companies for obvious reasons. Personally I never participate in polls because most of them are actually selling something. In addition my experience in Florida is that most black households use cell phones, not listed landlines and will never be called.
I suspect this poll has one or more sampling biases.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:34:33pm |
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:35:10pm |
re: #230 MandyManners
That’d scare the snot out of the cat. He’d pack his valise and leave after a few days.
The first song on this album is about a cat and his little suitcase. I listened to it all day yesterday.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:35:23pm |
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:35:32pm |
re: #235 SixDegrees
Yeah, that’s it.
Right now, though, I’m not trusting the media to do a good job. They basically suck at reporting events like this, and simply fall back on repeating anything and everything they hear, without any actual investigation or even thought applied.
I wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the tenure explanation was vaporware.
True, that. There’s often an echo-chamber + amplifier effect. And then everyone discovers it was just more idiot wind.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:35:37pm |
re: #235 SixDegrees
Yeah, that’s it.
Right now, though, I’m not trusting the media to do a good job. They basically suck at reporting events like this, and simply fall back on repeating anything and everything they hear, without any actual investigation or even thought applied.
I wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the tenure explanation was vaporware.
one round may be an accident…four is no accident…it’s gotta be one way or the other
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:36:03pm |
re: #234 ryannon
Sometimes you almost seem likable.
Steve may not be likable, but he is liked. And he’s a mensch.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:36:03pm |
re: #210 Cato the Elder
I think that was meant for Mandy?
Sorry. Slippery fingers. Pass it to her please.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:36:10pm |
re: #218 Decatur Deb
I’ll go back to the police document page. There are others I didn’t open.
Here is more complete police report. Describes several people who should not be around guns.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:36:36pm |
re: #243 Cato the Elder
Steve may not be likable, but he is liked. And he’s a mensch.
is that before or after a putze?
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:37:11pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:37:12pm |
re: #244 Naso Tang
Been meaning for years to ask about your nick.
“Naso” is Latin for nose. “Tang” is what spacemen drink.
Link?
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:37:14pm |
re: #235 SixDegrees
Yeah, that’s it.
Right now, though, I’m not trusting the media to do a good job. They basically suck at reporting events like this, and simply fall back on repeating anything and everything they hear, without any actual investigation or even thought applied.
I wouldn’t surprise me at all to learn that the tenure explanation was vaporware.
I’m gonna be really ticked off if it turns out she was a recent convert to a radical Islamic sect.
/
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:37:59pm |
re: #237 Naso Tang
I’ve read some pretty good articles on the land line issue. The essential argument that comes out is that telephone polls (well some hit cells now, but not many) always trend older and whiter, and thus, somewhat more conservative.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:38:30pm |
re: #246 albusteve
is that before or after a putze?
“Mensch” is at the top of the list.
Putz, yutz, schlemiehl, schlamazzl, gonif and schmuck come after, in descending order.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:38:56pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
“Mensch” is at the top of the list.
Putz, yutz, schlemiehl, schlamazzl, gonif and schmuck come after, in descending order.
wooohooo!…I made it!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:39:56pm |
re: #251 windsagio
I’ve read some pretty good articles on the land line issue. The essential argument that comes out is that telephone polls (well some hit cells now, but not many) always trend older and whiter, and thus, somewhat more conservative.
Most of the telephone poles I have seen are sort of a dark brown. But they do generally seem old.
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:00pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:15pm |
re: #251 windsagio
I’ve read some pretty good articles on the land line issue. The essential argument that comes out is that telephone polls (well some hit cells now, but not many) always trend older and whiter, and thus, somewhat more conservative.
Which is obviously because, socio-economically speaking, older white people are more likely to keep the same landline number for years or decades than anyone else.
My parents have had the same phone number since 1969.
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webevintage Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:36pm |
re: #237 Naso Tang
I agree that it is odd. I wouldn’t believe any poll not conducted by one of the main companies for obvious reasons.
Well I’m not sure how much I trust any polling company, but I do know that Nate Silver over at FiveThirtyEight has said they are a reputable company.
I’d like to see other companies break their Presidential approval ratings down by region. If the south pulls the numbers down so much, it might be a factor folks should be aware of.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:44pm |
re: #250 Spare O’Lake
I’m gonna be really ticked off if it turns out she was a recent convert to a radical Islamic sect.
/
You’ll have a right to be if that is the case, but right now I’m going to place my chips on “not likely”
Given that it looks like there’s strong evidence she shot her brother (and in a way that makes an accident hard to fathom) I think we’re just dealing with a good old fashioned sociopath, religion won’t enter into it they’re just crazy pants, like that NASA lady a while back (since Cato brought up Tang) who drove cross country to try and kill her old boyfriends new girlfriend (do I have that right?)
If I am proven wrong you may slam me for it.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:44pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
“Mensch” is at the top of the list.
Putz, yutz, schlemiehl, schlamazzl, gonif and schmuck come after, in descending order.
Ulterkukker works for me.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:40:46pm |
re: #255 Walter L. Newton
we have some grey metal ones, but they’re newer I think.
They also trend tall :p
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reine.de.tout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:41:31pm |
re: #258 Cato the Elder
Which is obviously because, socio-economically speaking, older white people are more likely to keep the same landline number for years or decades than anyone else.
My parents have had the same phone number since 1969.
My parents had the same phone number from 1956 until the day we had the phone disconnected in 2007. Fifty-one years.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:41:35pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
“Mensch” is at the top of the list.
Putz, yutz, schlemiehl, schlamazzl, gonif and schmuck come after, in descending order.
A schlemiehl is someone who constantly spills the soup. A schlamazzl is the one who get the soup spilled on him.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:42:15pm |
re: #263 MandyManners
I might have to listen to it, too.
It’s a commie cat, but the album is delightful.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:42:20pm |
re: #265 Walter L. Newton
A schlemiehl is someone who constantly spills the soup. A schlamazzl is the one who get the soup spilled on him.
I believe there was once a Americas Funniest Home Videos section which detailed that difference….
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:42:34pm |
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:42:53pm |
re: #261 Spare O’Lake
Ulterkukker works for me.
I know it as “alter kacker”. Old shitter.
Then there’s the immortal Yiddish brush off: “Geh kack’n oyf’n yam.”
Go take a shit in the ocean.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:43:13pm |
re: #226 SixDegrees
I implied nothing and my statement was clear. I’m not going to battle your strawmen. Go ahead and ignore the violent conspiracy nuts in the Tea Party movement. Playing dumb about the violent extremists and anti-government militias in the Tea Parties isn’t going to get you anywhere although I’m sure you’ll carry on anyways. I’m not going to squabble with you about things I didn’t say.
/End of conversation
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:43:28pm |
re: #267 jamesfirecat
I believe there was once a Americas Funniest Home Videos section which detailed that difference…
That “line” is a very old Yiddish saying, much much older than any TV show. Or TV. Or radio…
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:44:17pm |
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:44:28pm |
re: #272 MandyManners
I think its okay, as long as you slam him for other things :p
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:44:52pm |
re: #252 Cato the Elder
“Mensch” is at the top of the list.
Putz, yutz, schlemiehl, schlamazzl, gonif and schmuck come after, in descending order.
You forgot schmeckelfresser.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:45:36pm |
re: #270 Killgore Trout
I implied nothing and my statement was clear. I’m not going to battle your strawmen. Go ahead and ignore the violent conspiracy nuts in the Tea Party movement. Playing dumb about the violent extremists and anti-government militias in the Tea Parties isn’t going to get you anywhere although I’m sure you’ll carry on anyways. I’m not going to squabble with you about things I didn’t say.
/End of conversation
what violence?…talk is cheap, so wait and see…I really don’t think there is armed revolution in the air….remember they burned Elvis Presley records out of paranoia too…relax
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:46:20pm |
re: #271 Walter L. Newton
That “line” is a very old Yiddish saying, much much older than any TV show. Or TV. Or radio…
Not saying it isn’t, just commenting on where I learned the difference.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:46:47pm |
re: #249 Cato the Elder
Been meaning for years to ask about your nick.
“Naso” is Latin for nose. “Tang” is what spacemen drink.
Link?
I think you are the first to do so since 2006. :=)
This could be my opportunity to come up with something really cool, maybe, but in truth it is more mundane.
I was a saltwater aquarium buff for 30 years or more. Had a 300 gallon tank at home (sold it last year; sniff) and happened to be googling fish, Tangs to be precise, when a registration to LGF came up.
I had a brain freeze and there was this Naso Tang (not exactly the one in the picture, from Disney) on the screen.
The rest is history, but I do recall some of the dips who used to hang out here back then thought they were being piercingly witty with name calling based on it. I considered it good bait however.
There you go.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:46:52pm |
re: #277 albusteve
I dunno man, stockpiling military weapons is generally a pretty threatening act >>
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:46:58pm |
Hi lizards..Damn I love the Olympics!
Since the time I was 12…I absolutely love the Olympics…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:47:36pm |
re: #280 windsagio
I dunno man, stockpiling military weapons is generally a pretty threatening act >>
I have at least 10 in this house, and all sorts of ammo. So?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:47:59pm |
re: #281 HoosierHoops
I’m gonna watch the weird after-hours sports when I get to work >> Don’t have TV at home ;)
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:48:36pm |
re: #282 Walter L. Newton
Let me know when you have about 365 (one for each day!), and I’ll start to worry.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:48:55pm |
re: #271 Walter L. Newton
That “line” is a very old Yiddish saying, much much older than any TV show. Or TV. Or radio…
Yep…I’m pretty sure Moses had to explain that to Pharaoh somewhere around the 5th or 6th plague.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:49:24pm |
re: #274 MandyManners
Does he have a little red beret?
No beret, but his little mouse friend, Lefty, wears a driving cap.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:50:15pm |
re: #269 Cato the Elder
I know it as “alter kacker”. Old shitter.
Then there’s the immortal Yiddish brush off: “Geh kack’n oyf’n yam.”
Go take a shit in the ocean.
Speaking of insults in general, my all time favorite, which translates poorly is “espece de malsorti”
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:50:15pm |
re: #280 windsagio
I dunno man, stockpiling military weapons is generally a pretty threatening act >>
people have done that forever…it’s just connecting these dots via the media, and internet that it seems magnified…and we are talking very few people…the gun laws are very strict when it come to full auto stuff and beyond…whoever they are and whatever they have planned don’t stand a chance….all this drama is ridiculous, and it’s playing right into their strong arm ideology
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ryannon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:50:54pm |
re: #258 Cato the Elder
Which is obviously because, socio-economically speaking, older white people are more likely to keep the same landline number for years or decades than anyone else.
My parents have had the same phone number since 1969.
Free associating:
“Butterfield 8” Elizabeth Taylor’s first Academy Award.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:51:54pm |
re: #281 HoosierHoops
Hi lizards..Damn I love the Olympics!
Since the time I was 12…I absolutely love the Olympics…
I spent the entire 1972 Olympics on my parents’ couch in the family room with a mild case of meningitis. When I say “mild”, I mean “not enough to put me in the ICU with an IV drip”. I couldn’t move my neck or my spine without moaning or shrieking, depending on the time of day.
So I vegetated on the couch and saw every event that was broadcast.
Including the Black September slaughter of the Israeli athletes.
That was the start of my immovable support for Israel and my gut-level disgust at any American leftist bastard who wears a keffiyeh.
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:52:34pm |
re: #289 ryannon
Free associating:
“Butterfield 8” Elizabeth Taylor’s first Academy Award.
That’s Murray Hill area. Dated a girl there, wasn’t Elizabeth Taylor.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:53:08pm |
re: #288 albusteve
The collection of weapons fits in a particular place in the militia mindset (We must arm to protect ourselves from the government!!).
And I think thats the difference…. Stockpiles + strong anti-government rhetoric = people find it threatening.
Also, things like landmines are a bit different.
Also also, the guy he was referring to above did break the laws, we know about him ‘cuz he got arrested.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:53:16pm |
re: #291 Decatur Deb
That’s Murray Hill area. Dated a girl there, wasn’t Elizabeth Taylor.
Liz doesn’t date people named “Deb”. ;^)
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:54:58pm |
re: #290 Cato the Elder
so your support of Israel is based on an emotional reaction from when you were a kid?
Dunno about that man…
/battens down the hatches.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:56:00pm |
re: #294 windsagio
so your support of Israel is based on an emotional reaction from when you were a kid?
Dunno about that man…
/battens down the hatches.
emotional reaction?….wtf does that mean?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:57:38pm |
re: #294 windsagio
so your support of Israel is based on an emotional reaction from when you were a kid?
Dunno about that man…
/battens down the hatches.
And your support of Israel is based on… ?
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:57:39pm |
re: #290 Cato the Elder
I spent the entire 1972 Olympics on my parents’ couch in the family room with a mild case of meningitis. When I say “mild”, I mean “not enough to put me in the ICU with an IV drip”. I couldn’t move my neck or my spine without moaning or shrieking, depending on the time of day.
So I vegetated on the couch and saw every event that was broadcast.
Including the Black September slaughter of the Israeli athletes.
That was the start of my immovable support for Israel and my gut-level disgust at any American leftist bastard who wears a keffiyeh.
I love the Olympics games!
The best athletes in the world
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:58:10pm |
re: #297 HoosierHoops
I love the Olympics games!
The best athletes in the world
Professional or amateur?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:58:37pm |
re: #296 Walter L. Newton
The fact that they have the right ot exist as a nation and the fact that they’re our allies?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:58:57pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
sadly, that question is so 1980s :p
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:59:21pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:59:28pm |
re: #288 albusteve
people have done that forever…it’s just connecting these dots via the media, and internet that it seems magnified…and we are talking very few people…the gun laws are very strict when it come to full auto stuff and beyond…whoever they are and whatever they have planned don’t stand a chance…all this drama is ridiculous, and it’s playing right into their strong arm ideology
People have done this forever? The specific case in question is regarding Gregory Girard:
Kristine Girard told police that while her husband hadn’t threatened her, she was afraid to return home after an argument.
She said her husband had recently told her, “Don’t talk to people, shoot them instead,” and “It’s fine to shoot people in the head because traitors deserve it,” Segal said, reading from a police report.
The following day, an Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent contacted Manchester police about a tip they had received about grenades inside the condo. That tip came from a friend of Girard’s wife.
Police arrested Girard late Tuesday night after a brief standoff outside the 23 Bridge St. condo where he had been living with his wife and their 16-year-old son.
Inside the condo, police found six grenades, 11 rifles, two handguns, two bayonets, two Kevlar vests, two Kevlar helmets, six pairs of handcuffs, two billy clubs, two expandable batons, two flare guns and 17 military containers full of ammunition, which was still being counted, prosecutor Honor Segal told a judge.
They also discovered a shooting range set up in the attic storage area, which was littered with shell casings. Girard said he fires his .22-caliber rifle inside of that loft area and had installed a steel backstop.
Police found numerous other military-style items, including clothing, backpacks, knives, flashlights, batteries and radios through the home, along with large quantities of dried food stored in bag.
That’s not drama but a real case. His comments on “shooting people in the head” are just the tip of the iceberg and does not reflect a laundry list of insane posts at Patriot’s for America.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 5:59:54pm |
re: #294 windsagio
so your support of Israel is based on an emotional reaction from when you were a kid?
Dunno about that man…
/battens down the hatches.
Your hatches won’t avail.
Fuck you for that comment.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:00:50pm |
re: #302 Walter L. Newton
I was making a joke man :)
Just about everyone has thrown out ‘amateur’ now. Its pretty sad, I miss the old days.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:01:08pm |
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:01:13pm |
re: #298 windsagio
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I’ve told you, I don’t open your links…but I will say this…that is one of the most stupid questions I’ve ever heard asked here at LGF…congratulations…and I would not doubt Cato might not even bother to reply to such drivel
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:01:23pm |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
Professional or amateur?
Depends on the sport…Remember the Dream team? No one on the face of the Earth could ever Beat the dream team…
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:01:24pm |
re: #280 windsagio
I dunno man, stockpiling military weapons is generally a pretty threatening act >>
Shhhh…they don’t want to hear it. They’re waiting to fake shock and surprise when acts of terrorism come out of the Tea Parties.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:02:52pm |
re: #303 Gus 802
That’s not drama but a real case. His comments on “shooting people in the head” are just the tip of the iceberg and does not reflect a laundry list of insane posts at Patriot’s for America.
I’m familiar with the story, thanks…you misunderstood, he’s not the drama…the paranoia about armed revolution is
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:03:00pm |
re: #306 Spare O’Lake
I love that line, even tho’ it doesn’t make any sense :)
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:03:58pm |
re: #300 windsagio
The fact that they have the right ot exist as a nation and the fact that they’re our allies?
is there no emotion involved with those ‘facts’?…you are not making any sense
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:04:14pm |
re: #311 windsagio
I love that line, even tho’ it doesn’t make any sense :)
I was trying to be kind, fuckwad.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:04:19pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
Depends on the sport…Remember the Dream team? No one on the face of the Earth could ever Beat the dream team…
No… I don’t remember the Dream Team… (sounds like a TV show)… I don’t think there should be a single professional in any of the games… period. If you make any sort of money from sports, you are not an amateur.
I stopped watching the games when the professionals started popping up on the teams.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:04:20pm |
re: #294 windsagio
so your support of Israel is based on an emotional reaction from when you were a kid?
Dunno about that man…
/battens down the hatches.
My support of Israel is based on things that you obviously couldn’t get if I shoved them up your ass with a toothpick.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:04:52pm |
re: #312 albusteve
is there no emotion involved with those ‘facts’?…you are not making any sense
Glug, glug, glug…
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:04:57pm |
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:05:03pm |
re: #295 albusteve
emotional reaction?…wtf does that mean?
it’s what happens just before you type wtf.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:05:04pm |
re: #310 albusteve
I’m familiar with the story, thanks…you misunderstood, he’s not the drama…the paranoia about armed revolution is
How is that paranoia when we frequently hear calls for armed revolution from within the ranks of the Tea Party movement?
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:05:37pm |
re: #286 wrenchwench
No beret, but his little mouse friend, Lefty, wears a driving cap.
Here’s the song about when Buddy met Lefty. I don’t know about the video accompanying it. Cute enough I guess.
G’nite, lizards. Play nice.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:05:53pm |
re: #312 albusteve
Read the link steve. It’ll explain what I’m getting at.
… of course, that would assume that you’re interested in actual discussion, rather than sniping.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:06:41pm |
re: #315 Cato the Elder
Get a grip man.
You’re being wildly irrational. Chill out and come back.
At worst it was a blog comment.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:06:49pm |
re: #309 Killgore Trout
Shhh…they don’t want to hear it. They’re waiting to fake shock and surprise when acts of terrorism come out of the Tea Parties.
I won’t be shocked…I’ve even predicted as much….acts of terrorism in this country are nothing new, just the direction they come from…lets be tough and not be pussies?….remember?…we can deal with it, especially NYs
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:06:55pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
No… I don’t remember the Dream Team… (sounds like a TV show)… I don’t think there should be a single professional in any of the games… period. If you make any sort of money from sports, you are not an amateur.
I stopped watching the games when the professionals started popping up on the teams.
Jesus Walter…You don’t know who the dream team was?
I still love ya man.. But Jeez
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Decatur Deb Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:07:01pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
No… I don’t remember the Dream Team… (sounds like a TV show)… I don’t think there should be a single professional in any of the games… period. If you make any sort of money from sports, you are not an amateur.
I stopped watching the games when the professionals started popping up on the teams.
IIRC, that breakdown was driven by the East Bloc teams from years ago. Many of their amateurs were full-time players, often on military teams.
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jaunte Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:07:11pm |
re: #321 windsagio
There’s not much to discuss when you begin by belittling someone’s negative reaction to terrorist mass murder.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:07:55pm |
re: #313 Spare O’Lake
I was trying to be kind, fuckwad.
You know… LGF is even more fun sober than I ever expected. Years ago, when I was really slamming them down, I thought I was having fun reading and posting here, but all in all, if you can’t even remember the next morning what went down, that’s not really fun.
Now you can make comments like “I was trying to be kind, fuckwad.” and I can enjoy the remark for days.
I don’t even dare go back into the LGF database and search for any of my posts when I was drinking, it would be scary.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:08:03pm |
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What, me worry? Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:08:36pm |
re: #300 windsagio
The fact that they have the right ot exist as a nation and the fact that they’re our allies?
The murder of the Olympic athletes, the raid on Entebbe, any of the Israeli wars, the Holocaust, the infitada. What difference does it make how you come to know the history as long as you do?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:08:59pm |
re: #319 Gus 802
How is that paranoia when we frequently hear calls for armed revolution from within the ranks of the Tea Party movement?
hitch it up and fear not…there will be no armed revolution
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:09:39pm |
re: #326 jaunte
If I’d expected the reaction (altho’ in hindsight I have no freaking idea why I didn’t expect it) I wouldn’t have made the comment.
It speaks to something I think is an issue with our relationship with Israel. We have to be rational about it.
Thats all I’m saying.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:09:46pm |
re: #327 Walter L. Newton
I don’t even dare go back into the LGF database and search for any of my posts when I was drinking, it would be scary.
Not as scary as some of those no longer here.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:10:01pm |
re: #319 Gus 802
How is that paranoia when we frequently hear calls for armed revolution from within the ranks of the Tea Party movement?
I really wish you all would use the correct lingo.
It’s the lefties who do “armed revolution”.
The righties do “military coup”.
Now then, carry on.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:10:01pm |
re: #321 windsagio
Read the link steve. It’ll explain what I’m getting at.
… of course, that would assume that you’re interested in actual discussion, rather than sniping.
not really…you are an attention whore…there is little to discuss with this emotion angle of yours
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:10:12pm |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:10:42pm |
re: #335 windsagio
to be honest, I enjoyed it to.
“Fuckwad” is an awesome word.
Don’t try to bait me :)
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:11:08pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
I can take it! Gimme your worst!
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:11:30pm |
Sometimes it’s easy to tell who your fellow spy-watchers are.
/Hi Gus! Hi ice!
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:11:32pm |
re: #334 albusteve
Wow, Nobody’s called me an “Attention Whore” before! Updinged for originality!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:11:33pm |
re: #331 windsagio
If I’d expected the reaction (altho’ in hindsight I have no freaking idea why I didn’t expect it) I wouldn’t have made the comment.
It speaks to something I think is an issue with our relationship with Israel. We have to be rational about it.
Thats all I’m saying.
I suspect that was some sort of apology. So, let’s go on with other things, ok?
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:12:00pm |
re: #333 Spare O’Lake
I really wish you all would use the correct lingo.
It’s the lefties who do “armed revolution”.
The righties do “military coup”.
Now then, carry on.
COUP POWER!
gotta get it right here
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:12:06pm |
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iceweasel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:12:22pm |
re: #338 wrenchwench
Sometimes it’s easy to tell who your fellow spy-watchers are.
/Hi Gus! Hi ice!
*waves* Hiya. Spotted you bash the troll too. :)
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:12:30pm |
re: #338 wrenchwench
Sometimes it’s easy to tell who your fellow spy-watchers are.
/Hi Gus! Hi ice!
Hi Wrenchwench. I see you saw that stupid comment from Hugh59.
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albusteve Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:13:04pm |
re: #339 windsagio
Wow, Nobody’s called me an “Attention Whore” before! Updinged for originality!
you did this whole gig the other night…you are clever by half
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Walter L. Newton Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:13:14pm |
Let’s see… it’s 21 degrees (f)… and expecting about 2 inches of snow overnight… so… hows the weather?
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:13:15pm |
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:13:26pm |
re: #342 Walter L. Newton
You’re too nice to me :)
And yeah, I’ll not deny that its half-assed, but it is an apology. I shouldn’t have said that.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:13:26pm |
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:14:13pm |
re: #345 albusteve
Well technically I stole it. I guess thats why it was half.
Darthstar is the Whole Wit.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:15:08pm |
re: #308 HoosierHoops
Depends on the sport…Remember the Dream team? No one on the face of the Earth could ever Beat the dream team…
Yeah, but wasn’t it more fun before the Dream Teams? When we could watch our collegians (still amateur) lose to a bunch of old guys from eastern Europe?
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prairiefire Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:16:25pm |
re: #346 Walter L. Newton
It’s cold in KC. Cloudy, but no snow at the present.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:16:26pm |
re: #352 palomino
It made the winning all the sweeter.
It also made for awesome scandals.
(I’m glad they still won’t accept those damn tainted medals)
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:16:44pm |
re: #22 Killgore Trout
It’s also a possibility that this is a manufactured incident designed to generate publicity for himself.
I’m pretty sure that’s what it is. It sounds like he was bored, what with that boring music he makes and all.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:18:24pm |
re: #322 windsagio
Get a grip man.
You’re being wildly irrational. Chill out and come back.
At worst it was a blog comment.
I don’t need to chill, and I’m coming back at your ass right now.
My support for Israel is based on the FACT that they have been under genocidal attack since before they became a state.
It’s based on the FACT that Israel is a democracy in a sea of Islamofascists who would and daily threaten to wipe out that state regardless of how many of their Muslim brethren would die in the process.
It’s based on the FACT that while there are virtually no Jews left in the Arab world, Israel’s second-biggest, enfranchised, represented population in the Knesset is Arab.
It’s based on the FACT that Israel, when it had no money and no resources, took in every single Jew kicked out of the Arab world and gave them shelter, succor and a chance at making it, whilst the so-called Palestinian “refugees” eternally vegetating in UN-run camps by law can’t get citizenship in any Arab country - because that would decrease their usefulness as puppets to the genocidal anti-Israel polemicists.
It’s based on the FACT that whilst the “resistance” against Israeli “occupation” has always relied on terror, Israeli defense has always sought to minimize civilian deaths and go for the assholes behind the violence.
It’s based on the FACT that Israel officially condemns its crazies, whilst the PLO valorizes and heroizes its “martyrs” with parades and icons.
It is also based on the FACT that I saw and understood all this as a kid in 1972.
Now go take a shit in the ocean.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:18:43pm |
re: #333 Spare O’Lake
I really wish you all would use the correct lingo.
It’s the lefties who do “armed revolution”.
The righties do “military coup”.
Now then, carry on.
Details, details. Here are some previous articles posted by Charles here at LGF:
Missouri GOP Calls for Revolution
Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:05:57 am
Missouri’s Lafayette County Republican Central Committee has put up a billboard proudly advising citizens to prepare for the violent overthrow of the US government: Lafayette County Politics: New I-70 billboard replaces famed OBAMANATION sign. Reads: Vote Out Incumbents. Live Free or Die! UPDATE at 11/22/09 11:28:16 am: More billboard bad craziness: And an …
Video: Chris Matthews Interviews Leader of ‘Oath Keepers’
Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:29:12 pm
Last night Chris Matthews interviewed the founder of the disturbing “Oath Keepers” movement, a group of self-styled patriots who spout militia rhetoric and conspiracy theories, and prepare for armed revolution — against the Obama administration. Also on the show: Southern Poverty Law Center spokesman Mark Potok, who notes the similarity …
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:19:15pm |
re: #350 iceweasel
Howdy, Handsome! Happy Almost-Valentine’s to you! What’s shakin’?
Watching the Olympics tonight… I’m jacked…Having fun…
My Mom passed away ( The killer woman’s Golfer ) 7 hours from now..2 years ago.
The Anniversary of a very special woman that taught me everything I know..
Kind Regards Ice
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:20:00pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:23:03pm |
re: #352 palomino
Yeah, but wasn’t it more fun before the Dream Teams? When we could watch our collegians (still amateur) lose to a bunch of old guys from eastern Europe?
They were losing to professional Basketball players.. IE: Russia..
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Vambo Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:23:15pm |
re: #290 Cato the Elder
That was the start of my immovable support for Israel and my gut-level disgust at any American leftist bastard who wears a keffiyeh.
hey! Rachel Ray doesn’t know any better.
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:25:47pm |
re: #363 iceweasel
Hey Gus! How’s it going?
Worried about life, money, etc. Got a certain pain under control here for the moment. Same old thing. Yourself?
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:26:13pm |
re: #314 Walter L. Newton
No… I don’t remember the Dream Team… (sounds like a TV show)… I don’t think there should be a single professional in any of the games… period. If you make any sort of money from sports, you are not an amateur.
I stopped watching the games when the professionals started popping up on the teams.
When the modern Olympics started in 1896 there were very few pro athletes in any sport. In the US then it was just boxing and baseball. The rest of the world even less.
The amateur ideal is no longer realistic in a hyper media age. If you exclude pros, fewer people will watch or care. Why should athletics be divorced from the money-making incentive that exists in nearly all our other pursuits?
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:27:21pm |
re: #365 palomino
it just changes the storyline some. It would still work, but only if everyone played by the rules. It was clear a looong time ago that that wsn’t gonna be the case.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:27:33pm |
re: #365 palomino
The best athletes in the world..
/This ain’t no play school
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:27:41pm |
re: #365 palomino
When the modern Olympics started in 1896 there were very few pro athletes in any sport. In the US then it was just boxing and baseball. The rest of the world even less.
The amateur ideal is no longer realistic in a hyper media age. If you exclude pros, fewer people will watch or care. Why should athletics be divorced from the money-making incentive that exists in nearly all our other pursuits?
Quite concur. Its made the games less pure, but most people don’t care about purity.
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iceweasel Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:27:49pm |
re: #364 Gus 802
Worried about life, money, etc. Got a certain pain under control here for the moment. Same old thing. Yourself?
Mostly the same as you. No physical pain, just the pain of missin’ Jimmah. It’s making me quite bitchy, I have to admit.
I hope your pain abates soon. :(
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Gus Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:29:52pm |
re: #369 iceweasel
Mostly the same as you. No physical pain, just the pain of missin’ Jimmah. It’s making me quite bitchy, I have to admit.
I hope your pain abates soon. :(
Thanks. Yeah, if my pain doesn’t go away I have to go to the hospital clinic. Otherwise it’s driving me nuts from time to time.
Sorry to hear about you missing Jimmah.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:36:51pm |
re: #354 windsagio
We totally got screwed in 1972 when the Olympics was a giant stand-in for the Cold War. We got a little revenge with the 1980 hockey team, especially since that wasn’t a game tainted by scandal.
But 1992 was a thing of beauty. Some fools in the 70s and 80s claimed that Russians were better at hoops because of fundamentals—that same old anti-street ball argument you hear from 5’9” white guys.
That Dream Team was so damn good that when Magic got hurt and missed the last few games, no one really even noticed.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:38:58pm |
re: #371 palomino
Dream Team II was a travesty tho’. Goddamn Kobe and his “I already got a gold Medal”.
At least LeBraun has a totally excellent attitude about it :)
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:41:17pm |
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:44:34pm |
re: #360 HoosierHoops
They were losing to professional Basketball players.. IE: Russia..
Exactly, the sad joke of cold war olympics was that all the eastern bloc teams had the worst-paid professioal athletes in the world.
But because of the 1972 loss I had to hear as a kid that Russia really produced hoopsters on a par with America. And of course the USSR used that 1972 gold medal as “proof” of their superiority.
Fact is most of those 1972 Russians couldn’t have even made it in the NBA; they were older than our players and much more physical, but nowhere near as skilled.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:45:42pm |
re: #365 palomino
When the modern Olympics started in 1896 there were very few pro athletes in any sport. In the US then it was just boxing and baseball. The rest of the world even less.
The amateur ideal is no longer realistic in a hyper media age. If you exclude pros, fewer people will watch or care. Why should athletics be divorced from the money-making incentive that exists in nearly all our other pursuits?
It was the Soviets’ use of state-employed athletes, and the Europeans’ use of delayed payment endorsement deals, which killed the Olympic ideal. We had no choice but to allow professionals if we wished to remain competitive.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:46:18pm |
re: #375 Spare O’Lake
In fairness we did the latter too, the money was put into a ‘trust fund’ for the athlete.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:47:59pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The purity still makes sense—at the HS level and below.
But to compete at this level, it’s a full time job. Amateurism is just unrealistic in that context.
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windsagio Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:50:15pm |
re: #377 palomino
Even at HS level the purity is pretty much shot… and even for non-headline sports.
My sister got a ton of scholarship offers from good Schools for Cross Country. She could have focused on that, tossed her highschooling, and been just fine. Things like Basketball and Football are way worse.
… Athough you feel bad for the guys that thought they had it, get all the way through college and then don’t get picked. Always have a backup plan!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:50:17pm |
re: #377 palomino
The purity still makes sense—at the HS level and below.
But to compete at this level, it’s a full time job. Amateurism is just unrealistic in that context.
Quite Concur.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 6:55:59pm |
re: #372 windsagio
Dream Team II was a travesty tho’. Goddamn Kobe and his “I already got a gold Medal”.
At least LeBraun has a totally excellent attitude about it :)
True, but as a Houstonian it was cool to see Hakeem Olajwuon (a naturalized US citizen) win a gold medal in 1996.
But the real Dream Team will always be 1992. They were first and all the stars were in alignment that year. Christian Laettner didn’t belong on the team, but all the rest are all-time greats. Imagine Scottie Pippen as the FIFTH option off the bench!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:01:50pm |
re: #380 palomino
True, but as a Houstonian it was cool to see Hakeem Olajwuon (a naturalized US citizen) win a gold medal in 1996.
But the real Dream Team will always be 1992. They were first and all the stars were in alignment that year. Christian Laettner didn’t belong on the team, but all the rest are all-time greats. Imagine Scottie Pippen as the FIFTH option off the bench!
The 1992 team indeed featured the stars of the NBA’s renaissance of the 1980’s. Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Larry Bird. It was a true parade of the NBA’s rise to greatness.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:05:55pm |
re: #375 Spare O’Lake
And the Sovs tried to have it both ways. They posited a distinction between their pro athletes and ours. Since we were capitalist and our athletes often rich, they saw our form of professionalism as decadent, almost cheating. Their professionalism of course was still in keeping with Olympic spirit, they argued. Total crap, but it worked for them for a while.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:08:47pm |
re: #378 windsagio
True, and the sad fact for all the college hoopsters and football players is that over 90% will never play in a pro league. But when you’re 19, you don’t usually want to face the market reality.
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palomino Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:10:26pm |
re: #381 Dark_Falcon
The 1992 team indeed featured the stars of the NBA’s renaissance of the 1980’s. Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Charles Barkley, Larry Bird. It was a true parade of the NBA’s rise to greatness.
And Bird and Ewing actually became friends while on the 92 Dream Team. It truly was magical, defying all the odds.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Feb 13, 2010 7:12:02pm |
re: #315 Cato the Elder
My support of Israel is based on things that you obviously couldn’t get if I shoved them up your ass with a toothpick.
It’s appreciated, even if some flouncers don’t get it.
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nogendavid Sat, Feb 13, 2010 8:03:54pm |
re: #108 Obdicut
Yes, I’ve looked at all kinds of sites and information, pro and con AGW, and instead of bluffing that “all the answers are there”, you might want to actually read Phil Jone’s BBC interview, or indeed a mass of information that might contradicts your certitude, if that is possible.
You and freetoken might also want to stop reflexively downdinging
every posting I make on global warming (with the occasional support of Charles). I have made my points on the merits, and not without research and reflection. Try and refute them on the merits if you wish - and you might want to address points I actually make, not the usual strawmen arguments - but if LGF wishes to surmount the charge that disagreement is not welcome, and is instead an echo chamber, an openness to genuine argument on global warming would be a step in the right direction, rather than various forms of repetitive harassment - downdinging, the always offensive characterizing scepticism as “denialism, etc, etc, etc.
I’ll stand by what I’ve said in post 99, and a number of others. I think the weight of further analysis and science from many sources will confirm that humility is appropriate given the data we have and and the current understanding of causal mechanism; that the extent to which GW is caused by human activity is unclear. It is legitimate to see the issue as one of managing risk, and that includes assessing potential benefits as well as harms of global warming, and the negative as well as positive consequences of various policy options - such as embracing fraud-prone cap and trade schemes rather than carbon taxes or investment in alternative energy.
I’ll be taking a break for a while for posting on GW, maybe until there is some change in the climate on receptivity to real engagement on the issue.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 8:09:54pm |
re: #386 nogendavid
You and freetoken might also want to stop reflexively downdinging
every posting I make on global warming (with the occasional support of Charles).
FAIL.
I’ll be taking a break for a while for posting on GW, maybe until there is some change in the climate on receptivity to real engagement on the issue.
Come back when you can confidently describe why the Moon and the Earth have different mean temperatures.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sat, Feb 13, 2010 8:34:30pm |
re: #386 nogendavid
Our infrastructure is adapted to current climate. While after the climate changes and stabilized, some places may be better off than before, we’ll have to rebuild pretty much the entire infrastructure of humanity.
That’s going to cost a lot.
A ‘skeptic’ is one who thinks extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. The claim that CO2 added to atmosphere will force warming is not extraordinary; it’s perfectly ordinary. It’s basic physics.
The claim that more than 98% of climatologists who have published on climate change are wrong, that outsiders have a better grasp of the state and limitations of climatological research than practicing scientists, and that massive climate change might prove somehow beneficial— those are all extraordinary claims.
So, no, you’re not a skeptic.
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nogendavid Sat, Feb 13, 2010 10:07:39pm |
Yep, I’m taking a break, but on my way out to the foyer, I’ll respond to the
latest reflexive downdinger, the quality and tone of whose response only proves my point about the nature of the debate here.
Building the entire infrastructure depends on the extent of climate change.
We know that GW will be drastic and that it human caused? Don’t think so.
Sceptical means doubtful about a proposed doctrine. Make up your own arbitrary definitions as you see fit.
Everyone agrees CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Anyone who knows even a little climate science knows that the impact of its addition depends on some very complicated science applied to a mass of data, include sensitivity of the climate and feedback effects, both positive and negative, and the impact of possibly overshadowing independent effects.
The 98% of climatologists figure is an invention, as indicated by the link I provided to a list of 500 articles that are sceptical. It might be that a majority of articles to date favor the IPCC “consensus” I haven’t done the analysis, but even if that is so, minority opinion is sometimes right - and there are fresh reasons to question the majority opinion, e.g., the admission of some significant errors in the sourcing of some of the material in UN reports.
Read the Jones interview in the BBC, note that the late 20th century climate change by his own data is similar (though not identical) to a number of earlier patterns, note the uncertainty in the data that Jones acknowledges, note the uncertainty about whether the MWP was as warm or warmer, note Jone’s own general acknowledgment of uncertainties (although he still thinks his story is probably true).
I never said “massive” climate change is beneficial.
For anyone with a tolerance and complexity, there are issues about how one causal factor - one of many greenhouse gases - interacts with other factors, or is overshadowed by them; the extent of global warming, and whether it is a matter of a few degrees or many; the appropriate mix of policies to deal with the various scenarios, including ones in which the dire predictions turn out to be correct
The quality of the latest razzing by the usual automatic downdingers unintentionally proves my point from my perspective - others can judge for themselves - about the nature of the debate at this site on this issue at this time. I accept that sites have the right to maintain their own culture, so I am simply making my observation, right or wrong, about how I see it operating on this particular issue, it is not one that I see as congenial to a good-natured and informative debate in this regard. Charles has made some brilliant contributions to public debate, but on this point I have a fundamental disagreement about the nature of the discussion; as I understand it, his perspective is that expressions of climate scepticsm are presumptively part of a larger skein of unscientific, anti-scientific or theologically based irrationalism. My view is that there are very solid grounds in evidence and rational analysis to be doubtful on a number of counts. Which doesn’t mean we do nothing, but rather than the uncertainty is factored into the public policy analysis.
I continue to wish everyone here the best, regardless of whether the feeling is reciprocal, and I’ll check in from time to time on this issue and see whether the climate has change.
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Cato the Elder Sat, Feb 13, 2010 10:38:36pm |
re: #386 nogendavid
I would downding you for “Jone’s”, but it’s too obvious.
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freetoken Sat, Feb 13, 2010 10:41:42pm |
You earn your down-dings.
Besides continually trying to tell someone how to run their own blog, you have demonstrated the inability to discern sound science from junk, and yet you play the victim card when someone tries to help you.
For example, the link you shared about the “500 articles are skeptical…” but you don’t even go ahead and say skeptical of what, exactly? Well, the link you provide says clearly:
“The following papers support skepticism of “man-made” global warming or the environmental or economic effects of. “
Economics is quite a bit different than climatology.
So let’s look at this list of which you are so proud:
First two links are to Energy and Environment, a private publication set up to (among other reasons) publish articles by “skeptics” of AGW whose papers can’t cut the mustard in the real refereed climate journals.
Then look who else is on the front page - oh, it’s Fred Singer, friend of anyone who gives him money to lie for them, as has been shown with his work for the tobacco companies.
What else is on that page - hmm, a paper by an energy and power engineer (not a climatologist) published in a journal for such, which means it wasn’t reviewed by climatologists.
And so on. Several of the links on that page are to quite old entries that are simply outdated.
You have demonstrated that you (1) are unable to either know what climatology is or what climatologists do, and (2) that you link to the same old debunked denier, yes “denier” literature.
You are reminiscent of the classic creationist, who believes if he just links to the same misquoted passage of Darwin for the 1001st time that somehow his ignorance won’t become evident by shear persistence of his will to post.
As I mentioned to you earlier, until you can describe to me with confidence why the Earth and Moon have different average surface temperatures you are not in a position to understand the wheat from the chaff, so to speak, in discussions about climate. You are just another noise maker.
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