Tea Party Crowing Over Bennett's Scalp in Utah

Tea Party Crowing Over Bennett’s Scalp in Utah

PoliticsMay 2010 • Views: 4,564

Like a paranoid old turtle pulling its head back into its shell and ignoring the rest of the world, the Republican Party is letting itself be taken over by the atavistic, extreme right wing forces of the tea party movement, as one of the most conservative Senators in Congress is unceremoniously thrown out by teabaggers because he wasn’t conservative enough for them: Tea party wins victory in Utah as incumbent GOP senator loses bid for nomination.

It’s a portrait of a political party so far off the rails I’m beginning to doubt they’ll ever find their way back to sanity.

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781 comments

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 9, 2010 9:51:56am

I'm probably not conservative enough for the TPers either. Fuck 'em. (the kooks)

darthstar Sun, May 9, 2010 9:52:01am

Happy mother's day, Charles! Yes, the Bennet flounce is going to have some repercussions. Let's hope the good people of Utah decide that moving further right isn't a great idea and that they throw that seat over to the blue-dog moderate (let's face it, the progressive democrat doesn't have a prayer in the runoff primary)...otherwise, the Senate's sergeant at arms will be busy the next six years saying, "Sit the fuck down, asshole. That's not how we do things in the Senate."

webevintage Sun, May 9, 2010 9:53:35am

I guess it would be something to crow over if it had been a real primary, but since the voters did not get to vote on the candidate it really seems like a hollow win.
But yeah, there is nothing good about moderates getting kicked out of either party.

Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 9:57:30am

re: #2 darthstar

Happy mother's day, Charles! Yes, the Bennet flounce is going to have some repercussions. Let's hope the good people of Utah decide that moving further right isn't a great idea and that they throw that seat over to the blue-dog moderate (let's face it, the progressive democrat doesn't have a prayer in the runoff primary)...otherwise, the Senate's sergeant at arms will be busy the next six years saying, "Sit the fuck down, asshole. That's not how we do things in the Senate."

I'd rather Bennet ran as an independent, with the RNC funding him as a object lesson to the teabaggers: "You have the grassroots, but we've got the money. Be reasonable."

/It won't happen though.

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 9:58:26am

From a Tea Party supportive site:

Republican party earthquake. This may serve as a message to Rep elites - don't be talking down to or mocking the Tea Party folks - in any way.

Sheesh.

Charles Johnson Sun, May 9, 2010 9:58:35am

re: #3 webevintage

I guess it would be something to crow over if it had been a real primary, but since the voters did not get to vote on the candidate it really seems like a hollow win.
But yeah, there is nothing good about moderates getting kicked out of either party.

Bob Bennett is pretty far from being a "moderate." "Far right" might be an exaggeration, but not by much.

thatthatisis Sun, May 9, 2010 9:58:39am

The real problem is not the existence of the Tea Partiers. The real problem is that no one in Republican leadership will stand up against the insanity. With no adults in that room, the little children are taking the place over.

pharmmajor Sun, May 9, 2010 9:59:30am

The more insanity I see from the right, the more hopeful I am that voters will finally wise up and throw their support behind independents and third party candidates.

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 10:00:02am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

Apparently he can't run as an independent.

Bennett's defeat marks the first time a sitting Senator has lost in an intraparty fight since 2006 when Sen. Joe Lieberman was ousted by wealthy businessman Ned Lamont in the Democratic primary. Lieberman went on to run and win as an independent; under state law Bennett cannot pursue that course.

euphgeek Sun, May 9, 2010 10:01:29am

Bennett would have to run as a write-in candidate if he hopes to win the election. And that's a very slim hope, as write-in candidates rarely win.

Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:02:40am

Going to lunch with my family. BBL

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:04:01am

TPM says there will be a primary:

Late Update: There will be a primary. Bridgewater took 57.28%, short of the magic 60%, to Lee's 42.72%.

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:04:06am

Just to wrap up what we were discussing in the last thread, I wanted to post the actual cause of the drop, in a chart, in real time, in all its terrifying beauty.

Logician Sun, May 9, 2010 10:04:26am

because he wasn’t conservative enough for them

Might it not merely indicate that how conservative he is matters less to supporters of the tea party movement than whether he believes in low taxes, low spending, and low government involvement in the economy generally?

If so, wouldn't this be a good thing? Since those are among the more rational aspects of conservatism.

Charles Johnson Sun, May 9, 2010 10:06:46am

re: #14 Logician

Might it not merely indicate that how conservative he is matters less to supporters of the tea party movement than whether he believes in low taxes, low spending, and low government involvement in the economy generally?

If so, wouldn't this be a good thing? Since those are among the more rational aspects of conservatism.

No, it's not a good thing, because these "rational aspects" are riding in on the back of a populist movement based on demagoguery, paranoia, conspiracy theories, and racism.

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 10:09:47am

re: #6 Charles

Bob Bennett is pretty far from being a "moderate." "Far right" might be an exaggeration, but not by much.

what's sad is that, however you want to define his part of the spectrum, he seems to have been willing to work in a bipartisan fashion. when bipartisanship is a slur, democracy is not improved...

PhillyPretzel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:09:51am

Depending on the state rules Bennett can run as an independent if he can get the financial support.

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:11:10am

F_ck Bill Bennet. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

As ye reap, so shall ye sow.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 9, 2010 10:11:18am

re: #17 PhillyPretzel

Depending on the state rules Bennett can run as an independent if he can get the financial support.

See FG's #9.

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 9, 2010 10:11:50am

Worky. See ya'll tonight.

PhillyPretzel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:12:32am

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fine. If he can't, he can't.

euphgeek Sun, May 9, 2010 10:13:32am

re: #15 Charles

Not only that, but "low" is a relative term. How low do you have to believe taxes, spending and government involvement should be? That's something I've never heard a conservative define.

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:13:50am

re: #14 Logician

Might it not merely indicate that how conservative he is matters less to supporters of the tea party movement than whether he believes in low taxes, low spending, and low government involvement in the economy generally?

If so, wouldn't this be a good thing? Since those are among the more rational aspects of conservatism.

The teabaggers aren't motivated by rationality, and know shockingly little about their supposed core issue, taxes. I've posted this before but it's worth a repost:

The Misinformed Tea Party Movement: For an antitax group, they don't know much about taxes.

Curious about the factual knowledge these people have regarding the issues they are protesting, my friend David Frum enlisted some interns to interview as many Tea Partyers as possible on a couple of basic questions. They got 57 responses--a pretty good-sized sample from a crowd that numbered between 300 and 500 people. (Survey results are here.)

....
Takeaway:

n short, no matter how one slices the data, the Tea Party crowd appears to believe that federal taxes are very considerably higher than they actually are, whether referring to total taxes as a share of GDP or in terms of the taxes paid by a typical family.
Tea Partyers also seem to have a very distorted view of the direction of federal taxes. They were asked whether they are higher, lower or the same as when Barack Obama was inaugurated last year. More than two-thirds thought that taxes are higher today, and only 4% thought they were lower; the rest said they are the same.

As noted earlier, federal taxes are very considerably lower by every measure since Obama became president.

It's not a movement based on facts or rationality.

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:15:03am

What I find pleasantly ironic is that, if you remember, this is the exact same thing the right-wing had been crowing about in both the Democratic presidential primaries and right after Obama took office - gleefully claiming that the Democratic party had been taken over/hijacked by the most extreme element in its ranks; stating over and over that we were watching the self-destruction of the party.

Well, turns out they were half-right.

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 10:15:35am

re: #18 Sigma_x

F_ck Bill Bennet. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

As ye reap, so shall ye sow.

que?

Killgore Trout Sun, May 9, 2010 10:16:10am

re: #23 iceweasel

It's not a movement based on facts or rationality.

Agreed. Their policies are disastrous and simply won't work in the real world.

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:16:27am

re: #18 Sigma_x

F_ck Bill Bennet. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

As ye reap, so shall ye sow.

It's not Bill Bennet. (former morals czar and gambler).

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:18:00am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Their policies are disastrous and simply won't work in the real world.

They (the teabaggers themselves) don't have policy recommendations as such. Their masters (freedomworks et al) certainly do.

The baggers are essentially the same people saying they didn't want gubbmint in their Medicare.

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:18:08am

re: #25 Aceofwhat?

que?

Oh, I'm sorry - did I "generalize" again? "Paint with a broad brush?" My bad.

I think it's pretty clear what I'm talking about - Bennet and all those like him have created a Frankenstien's Monster that has turned on its creator.

As I said - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:19:41am

re: #29 Sigma_x

Oh, I'm sorry - did I "generalize" again? "Paint with a broad brush?" My bad.

I think it's pretty clear what I'm talking about - Bennet and all those like him have created a Frankenstien's Monster that has turned on its creator.

As I said - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

We're not talking about Bill Bennet, but Robert Bennet. (not that I have much love for the latter myself, but that was why Ace queried you).

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:20:34am

re: #27 iceweasel

It's not Bill Bennet. (former morals czar and gambler).

re: #27 iceweasel

It's not Bill Bennet. (former morals czar and gambler).

Oh. Oops. Well, f_ck him, too.

Killgore Trout Sun, May 9, 2010 10:20:47am

re: #29 Sigma_x

Bennet and all those like him have created a Frankenstien's Monster that has turned on its creator.

I will agree with you on that one point. Republicans have been pandering to the Tea Party idiots. It's a big mistake on many different levels.

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:21:43am

Atavism, atavism:
Strong as the seed in and old man's jism.

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 10:21:58am

re: #31 Sigma_x

Oh. Oops. Well, f_ck him, too.

good to see you're putting so much thought into your positions...

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 10:22:44am

re: #30 iceweasel

We're not talking about Bill Bennet, but Robert Bennet. (not that I have much love for the latter myself, but that was why Ace queried you).

i promise not to make it sound as if you were defending Bill Bennett;)

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:26:35am

When the teabaggers say "limited government", they cross their fingers behind their backs to except any laws they might make to force their "morals" on the rest of us.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 10:29:39am

I liked the Book of Virtues.

Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 10:29:58am

re: #31 Sigma_x

Oh. Oops. Well, f_ck him, too.

You're so right, even when you are wrong.
/

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:30:19am

OT: Today marks 50 years since the FDA approved the Pill, marking the beginning of women's liberation. Fittingly, it's Mother's Day!

Let's celebrate a half century of women choosing when and how they will become mothers, and continue working to ensure that all women, everywhere, have children by choice-- and a world where all children are loved and wanted.

Youtube Video

This old maternity dress I've got
Is goin' in the garbage
The clothes I'm wearin' from now on
Won't take up so much yardage
Miniskirts, hot pants and a few little fancy frills
Yeah I'm makin' up for all those years
Since I've got the pill
I'm tired of all your crowin'
How you and your hens play
While holdin' a couple in my arms
Another's on the way
This chicken's done tore up her nest
And I'm ready to make a deal
And ya can't afford to turn it down
'Cause you know I've got the pill
This incubator is overused
Because you've kept it filled
The feelin' good comes easy now
Since I've got the pill

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 10:31:33am

The sad/amusing thing about this is, is there any chance the fact that we've got such an Ultra Conservative running mean that there's any hope for a democratic victory in Utah?

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:31:39am

re: #35 Aceofwhat?

i promise not to make it sound as if you were defending Bill Bennett;)

Thanks, I'd appreciate that. ;)

*shakes tiny liberal fist in your direction*

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:32:07am

re: #40 MikeySDCA

Have any of these people ever heard of the Whigs? Guess not.

You standing in for Ojoe today?

erraticsphinx Sun, May 9, 2010 10:32:36am

Republican candidate and frontrunner for the AL governor nomination forced to do....this.

Theocratic howler monkeys.

And his brethren, Roy Moore of 10 commandments fame, and Tim James of "English ad" fame, are no better.

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:32:53am

re: #33 Cato the Elder

ΠΙΜΦ: "an"

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 10:33:02am

re: #39 iceweasel

"I had a dream that all of the babies prevented by the pill came back. They were mad."
-Steven Wright

Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:33:41am

re: #13 Sigma_x

Just to wrap up what we were discussing in the last thread, I wanted to post the actual cause of the drop, in a chart, in real time, in all its terrifying beauty.

Image: ScreenHunter_01+May.+08+14.19.gif

Another interesting one.

jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 10:33:59am

re: #5 Floral Giraffe

From a Tea Party supportive site:

Sheesh.

Ironically when I read the phrase "don't be talking..." I hear it in my head spoken with by "African American voice" which is unlikely to be the kind of voice I hear at any Tea Party event...

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:34:04am

re: #46 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"I had a dream that all of the babies prevented by the pill came back. They were mad."
-Steven Wright

There is nowhere for them to "come back" from. What you talkin' about, Willis?

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:35:04am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I liked the Book of Virtues.

Pah! I prefer the Book of Kells.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 10:35:50am

re: #49 Cato the Elder

Ask Steven.

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 10:40:46am

Howabout a virtuous story?

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:42:03am

SO ,, when I want a haircut I wait till I get a Sports Clips or Great Clips coupon. For about 8 bucks and a 2 dollar tip,, VIOLA

yesterday I took Einstein (a 12 pound mutt) and McDuff (a 16 pound West Highland Terrier) to the groomers

End result,,,, I'm $90 poorer ($41 each plus tip)

Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:43:29am

re: #39 iceweasel

OT: Today marks 50 years since the FDA approved the Pill, marking the beginning of women's liberation. Fittingly, it's Mother's Day!

Let's celebrate a half century of women choosing when and how they will become mothers, and continue working to ensure that all women, everywhere, have children by choice-- and a world where all children are loved and wanted.

[Video]

I have no problem with the ethics of the Pill. This tho is a problem on the flip side.

[Link: www.sciencedaily.com...]

Earlier research by Brunel University and the University of Exeter has shown how female sex hormones (estrogens), and chemicals that mimic estrogens, are leading to ‘feminisation’ of male fish.

Found in some industrial chemicals and the contraceptive pill, they enter rivers via sewage treatment works. This causes reproductive problems by reducing fish breeding capability and in some cases can lead to male fish changing sex.

Other studies have also suggested that there may be a link between this phenomenon and the increase in human male fertility problems caused by testicular dysgenesis syndrome. Until now, this link lacked credence because the list of suspects causing effects in fish was limited to estrogenic chemicals whilst testicular dysgenesis is known to be caused by exposure to a range of anti-androgens.

Lead author on the research paper, Dr Susan Jobling at Brunel University’s Institute for the Environment, said: “We have been working intensively in this field for over ten years. The new research findings illustrate the complexities in unravelling chemical causation of adverse health effects in wildlife populations and re-open the possibility of a human – wildlife connection in which effects seen in wild fish and in humans are caused by similar combinations of chemicals.

We have identified a new group of chemicals in our study on fish, but do not know where they are coming from. A principal aim of our work is now to identify the source of these pollutants and work with regulators and relevant industry to test the effects of a mixture of these chemicals and the already known environmental estrogens and help protect environmental health.”

prairiefire Sun, May 9, 2010 10:44:53am

My kids are playing office right now. They keep telling each other, "No, the economy is bad right now. I can't afford to buy that."
Now they are planning their lunch.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:45:36am

re: #55 prairiefire

My kids are playing office right now. They keep telling each other, "No, the economy is bad right now. I can't afford to buy that."
Now they are planning their lunch.

teach em brown bagging!

Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:45:51am

re: #47 Bobibutu

Image: ScreenHunter_01+May.+08+14.19.gif

Another interesting one.

Well, that bombed. I'll try for a workaround.

HoosierHoops Sun, May 9, 2010 10:46:30am

re: #53 sattv4u2

SO ,, when I want a haircut I wait till I get a Sports Clips or Great Clips coupon. For about 8 bucks and a 2 dollar tip,, VIOLA

yesterday I took Einstein (a 12 pound mutt) and McDuff (a 16 pound West Highland Terrier) to the groomers

End result,,, I'm $90 poorer ($41 each plus tip)

Winston get's an oatmeal bath..His teeth done and a 45 dollar haircut..
Spoiled doesn't begin to describe him...

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:46:36am

re: #54 Bobibutu

Early versions of the pill (by which I mean the first few decades) have all seemed to have way higher amounts of the hormones than needed. This is probably due in part to that.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:46:57am

re: #55 prairiefire

re: #56 sattv4u2

teach em brown bagging!

Had a co-worker for years would always complain about having no money
Whereas I subsided on left overs for my lunches, he would order out EVERY FRAKKIN DAY

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:48:22am

re: #58 HoosierHoops

Winston get's an oatmeal bath..His teeth done and a 45 dollar haircut..
Spoiled doesn't begin to describe him...

I would have had to kick in an extra $5 each for their toenails to be clipped but both had them done last week at the Vets while they were there for their annual heartworm ($$$$$$$) test

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 10:49:03am

re: #60 sattv4u2

re: #56 sattv4u2

Had a co-worker for years would always complain about having no money
Whereas I subsided on left overs for my lunches, he would order out EVERY FRAKKIN DAY

ordering out is pricey....you can eat leftovers or even a decent Lean Cuisine for 1/3 the price of even the cheapest lunch most places.

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:50:40am

re: #47 Bobibutu

Image: ScreenHunter_01+May.+08+14.19.gif

Another interesting one.

It didn't show, the link you posted. Can you please post it again?

Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:51:02am

re: #59 iceweasel

Early versions of the pill (by which I mean the first few decades) have all seemed to have way higher amounts of the hormones than needed. This is probably due in part to that.

And the massive volume a day that is excreted by those on it even at the lower levels seems to threaten our existence as well as fish and probably marine mammals as well.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:51:27am

re: #62 PT Barnum

ordering out is pricey...you can eat leftovers or even a decent Lean Cuisine for 1/3 the price of even the cheapest lunch most places.

At work, we do 12 hour shifts (mostly 4 days a week), so more than likely you're eating two meals a day there. We have a fridge/ freezer, a toaster oven and a microwave oven

I have a few cheap frozen dinners stocked away bit mostly I take a LOT of stuff from home

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:02am

re: #64 Bobibutu

And the massive volume a day that is excreted by those on it even at the lower levels seems to threaten our existence as well as fish and probably marine mammals as well.

Hopefully they'll get to work on more forms of male birth control. :)

Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:25am

re: #65 sattv4u2

At work, we do 12 hour shifts (mostly 4 days a week), so more than likely you're eating two meals a day there. We have a fridge/ freezer, a toaster oven and a microwave oven

I have a few cheap frozen dinners stocked away bit mostly I take a LOT of stuff from home

We have a bigger selection for lunch at our place.

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:37am

re: #64 Bobibutu

And the massive volume a day that is excreted by those on it even at the lower levels seems to threaten our existence as well as fish and probably marine mammals as well.

I'm of the opinion that we have soiled our nest so badly that we will be extinct in the next 200 years. Unless we start picking up our crap, the planet will become uninhabitable.

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:39am

re: #66 iceweasel

Hopefully they'll get to work on more forms of male birth control. :)

An IQ test for sperm would not go amiss.

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:41am

Some times you gotta make a mess to fix a mess. That is what we are witnessing with regards to the Tea Party's endeavors. More interesting will be watching to see what evolves out of the liberals' side of things to counter the far right leanings of the Tea Party. Oh, wait, that far left wing radical element already exists does it not? It is called the obama political machine. For every yin, there is a yang. Things have yet to balance themselves.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:52:53am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

We have a bigger selection for lunch at our place.

CLEAN UP IN AISLE 3

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 10:53:04am

re: #67 Walter L. Newton

We have a bigger selection for lunch at our place.

Don't you work at a grocery store?

Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 10:53:31am

Here's my question to the "cut taxes/reduce the deficit" crowd - where on Earth would you go, other than America, could you go to be taxed at what you would consider a sufficient rate? Is there such a place?

I never understood the rational behind all this breathless anxiety over taxes in America from the right? Is there some example you could name of a country where you believe taxes to be fair? Just curious....

Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 10:53:42am

re: #72 PT Barnum

Don't you work at a grocery store?

Humor impaired?

AntonSirius Sun, May 9, 2010 10:54:04am

re: #40 MikeySDCA

Have any of these people ever heard of the Whigs?

At this point I'd peg the odds of the GOP hitting bottom, sobering up and chasing away the crazies at something around 10%, and the odds of the GOP becoming irrelevant and a new right-wing party needing to rise up in its place at about 90%.

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 10:54:41am

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Humor impaired?

No but I wasn't sure, so I was trying to confirm..How are ya Walter..did you have any luck with Rent a Coder?

Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 10:55:20am

Let's see. Bob Bennett (R-UT) got a rating of 84 in the 2009 ACU ratings. Many there have scores of 100 in their conservative rank. I guess Bennett's 84 wasn't good enough.

The litmus test is getting more difficult now within the GOP as it is being influenced by outside forces like the Tea Party. Although it's hard to argue that it's completely outside forces when you have insider involved such as Dick Armey. However I think the message is clear in that they want candidates who will march in lock step to an ideological script and are able to score 100 in a litmus test.

jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 10:55:36am

re: #70 scrooster

Some times you gotta make a mess to fix a mess. That is what we are witnessing with regards to the Tea Party's endeavors. More interesting will be watching to see what evolves out of the liberals' side of things to counter the far right leanings of the Tea Party. Oh, wait, that far left wing radical element already exists does it not? It is called the obama political machine. For every yin, there is a yang. Things have yet to balance themselves.

How is Obama's administration anywhere near as far left wing as the Tea Party is Right Wing?

Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 10:56:38am

re: #66 iceweasel

Hopefully they'll get to work on more forms of male birth control. :)

I'm willing to bet we are past the tipping point on this one.

MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 10:57:10am

Testicular dysgenesis?

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 10:57:12am

re: #73 Sigma_x

More to my point, it's cutting red tape/ taxes on businesses. We see it all the time in state to state battles over attracting business. Here in Georgia the state has attracted LOTS of businesses to relocate due to favorable initial tax breaks. The result is more employement and extremely low property taxes
More employement equals more tax revenues for the state (more people working paying state income tax, and even those are low compared to what I paid when living in MAssachusetts and North Carolina)

iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 10:57:59am

re: #79 Bobibutu

I'm willing to bet we are past the tipping point on this one.

You think it's more of a threat than AGW?

Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 10:58:38am

re: #75 AntonSirius

At this point I'd peg the odds of the GOP hitting bottom, sobering up and chasing away the crazies at something around 10%, and the odds of the GOP becoming irrelevant and a new right-wing party needing to rise up in its place at about 90%.

If that is the case, you have a very narrow understanding of politics, history and the dynamics of how culture works. You're world is not the only world, you're politics are not the only politics and there are forces bigger and more powerful than you whole are pulling the strings, on both sides.

Look up plutocracy and kleptocracy... the two parties will firmly live on as long as they are serving those two masters.

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 10:59:39am

re: #81 sattv4u2

Except that it doesn't always work like that, and in fact, taxes are not usually the largest cost of doing business.

Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 11:01:47am

re: #76 PT Barnum

No but I wasn't sure, so I was trying to confirm..How are ya Walter..did you have any luck with Rent a Coder?

I read to many bad reviews about them, indications that a lot of their coders have no real clue as to what real analysis is, a lot of the project sounded like hit and run coding, and there is no way I want to be that divorced from what I code and the pride I take in being able to service a client.

Rent a Coders came across to me just what they sounded like, like pulp and hack soap opera writers, churning out basically shit.

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:03:54am

re: #81 sattv4u2

More to my point, it's cutting red tape/ taxes on businesses. We see it all the time in state to state battles over attracting business. Here in Georgia the state has attracted LOTS of businesses to relocate due to favorable initial tax breaks. The result is more employement and extremely low property taxes
More employement equals more tax revenues for the state (more people working paying state income tax, and even those are low compared to what I paid when living in MAssachusetts and North Carolina)

And what happens when the company leaves because some other state offers a better deal?

Part of the problem here is that giving corporations tax cuts is essentially transferring the costs of infrastructure and everything otherwise supported by those taxes to the people in that community. Unless that balances out, tax cuts as a recruiting tool isn't such a good deal.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:04:28am

re: #84 PT Barnum

Except that it doesn't always work like that, and in fact, taxes are not usually the largest cost of doing business.

I never stated that they are the largest cost. As a former (multiple) small business owner salaries/wages/benefits were by FAR the biggest expense. If I were in manufacturing I would have moved from Mass to New Hampshire, but in that we did sales/ service and were on the road and most of my clients were within the route 495 belt of Boston it was untenable to relocate.

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 11:04:42am

re: #73 Sigma_x

Here's my question to the "cut taxes/reduce the deficit" crowd - where on Earth would you go, other than America, could you go to be taxed at what you would consider a sufficient rate? Is there such a place?

I never understood the rational behind all this breathless anxiety over taxes in America from the right? Is there some example you could name of a country where you believe taxes to be fair? Just curious...

Wrong question.

Better question: every day, businesses learn to do more with less. Might i ask the same of our elected officials?

Personally, i'd concede the current tax rates ad infinitum, if they could be thus frozen.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:04:58am

re: #86 PT Barnum

And what happens when the company leaves because some other state offers a better deal?

Do what I did 12 years ago. Move with them!

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:05:39am

re: #85 Walter L. Newton

I read to many bad reviews about them, indications that a lot of their coders have no real clue as to what real analysis is, a lot of the project sounded like hit and run coding, and there is no way I want to be that divorced from what I code and the pride I take in being able to service a client.

Rent a Coders came across to me just what they sounded like, like pulp and hack soap opera writers, churning out basically shit.

I don't blame you. I have the same problem with one of my clients. They were looking for someone to patch their database with a new bandaid, and got frustrated with me because I pointed out that until they fix all the broken bones, the patient will hold on, but it will die a horrible death eventually.

I think I'm gonna lose em for that, but oh well.

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 11:05:53am

re: #75 AntonSirius

At this point I'd peg the odds of the GOP hitting bottom, sobering up and chasing away the crazies at something around 10%, and the odds of the GOP becoming irrelevant and a new right-wing party needing to rise up in its place at about 90%.

so you'll give me 9-to-1 odds? deal.

Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:06:34am

US Troops March in Red Square!

Where is the outrage! //

No wait it "enraged Communists"...

U.S. military personnel march along Red Square during a military parade in Moscow May 9, 2010. NATO troops will march across Red Square on Sunday as Russia marks the 65th anniversary of victory over Nazi Germany, a gesture of friendship to the West which has won praise from President Barack Obama but enraged Communists.

sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:06:35am

re: #86 PT Barnum

Part of the problem here is that giving corporations tax cuts is essentially transferring the costs of infrastructure and everything otherwise supported by those taxes to the people in that community

Hence the part of my #81 that stated The result is more employement

Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 11:07:12am

re: #92 Gus 802

US Troops March in Red Square!

Where is the outrage! //

No wait it "enraged Communists"...

that's hilarious

KingKenrod Sun, May 9, 2010 11:07:22am

re: #86 PT Barnum

And what happens when the company leaves because some other state offers a better deal?

Part of the problem here is that giving corporations tax cuts is essentially transferring the costs of infrastructure and everything otherwise supported by those taxes to the people in that community. Unless that balances out, tax cuts as a recruiting tool isn't such a good deal.

What should a community do if too many of its citizens are unemployed?

Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:07:35am

re: #89 sattv4u2

And what happens when the company leaves because some other state offers a better deal?

Do what I did 12 years ago. Move with them!

not everyone can do that, first of all. We have had several big employers get bought out/leave for Mexico in my state. Those jobs go away, but family and other attachments and responsibilities don't.

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 11:08:01am

re: #78 jamesfirecat

How is Obama's administration anywhere near as far left wing as the Tea Party is Right Wing?

You are kidding, right? You are asking this about an administration led by Barry "Judge me by the people who surround me" Obama?

Tim Geithner - Tax cheat

Kathleen Sebelius - Tax cheat

Tom Dascle - Tax cheat

Kevin Jennings - Safe School Czar - cofounder and executive director of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), told attendees at a GLSEN conference over a decade ago that he looked forward to the day when promoting homosexuality in schools will be seen in a positive light. (See the remarks here) Also BROKE LAW, as a teacher by NOT notifying authorities of a sexual relationship between one of his male students, and an adult male.

Van Jones - Green Jobs Czar - Admitted racist, avowed communist

John Holdren - Science Czar - Supports FORCED Sterylization, and the drugging of drinking water

Cass Sunstein - Regulatory Czar - Wants to ban hunting, ban guns, give animals lawyers, and the right to sue. Monitor, and control internet blogging etc.

Mark Lloyd - FCC Diversity Czar - Hugo Chavez admirer, and racist who wants qualified whites to step down to make room for minorities and gays, AND also wants to silence free speech (opposing views) conservative radio, by implementing a 100% tax on talk radio operating costs..

Harold Koh - State Dept Legal Advisor - Says "Sharia Law could apply to disputes in US courts"

Adolfo Carrion - Urban Czar - Pocketed thousands of dollars in campaign cash from city developers whose projects he approved or funded with taxpayers' money.

Michelle Obama - Oversaw patient dumping scheme for profit, as the vice president Of University of Chicago Hospital, where she also coincidently went from 100K to over 300K promotion upon Barack Obama becoming state senator.

Tony Rezko - Chicago Slum lord, Convicted on 16 counts of corruption

Jeremiah Wright - Obama spiritual mentor 20 years, who promoted anti-government, anti-white sentiment.

ACORN - Corrupt federally funded organization, who Obama gave 800K to, and who Obama lawyered for, and benefitted from politically. Fraudulant voter registration drives. Recently exposed advising a pimp , and prostituute on how to bring in minors from other countries for purposes of prostitution, how to get illegal tax breaks, and how to stash away profits.

William Ayers - Weather Underground domestic terrorist who Obama partnered with (Chicago Annenberg Challenge) (Woods Fund) on radical left projects with the intent of indocrtinating youth.Obama also launched his bid for Chicago senate from Ayers home.

Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:09:03am

re: #94 Aceofwhat?

that's hilarious

The British and the French also showed up.

JEA62 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:09:15am

Only after the GOP gets trounced a few times will they realize they went too far to the right and self-correct.

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:09:20am

re: #93 sattv4u2

Part of the problem here is that giving corporations tax cuts is essentially transferring the costs of infrastructure and everything otherwise supported by those taxes to the people in that community

Hence the part of my #81 that stated The result is more employement

and when that employment leaves, who pays for the wear and tear on the infrastructure or the costs of four or five hundred people suddenly becoming unemployed?

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:09:41am

re: #96 PT Barnum

not everyone can do that, first of all. We have had several big employers get bought out/leave for Mexico in my state. Those jobs go away, but family and other attachments and responsibilities don't.

Again, it's about choices. ALL of my immediate family (parents, two sisters and their spouses/ children) all still live in Mass.

I moved from there twice for jobs. It was more important for me to take care of MY wife and child than for me to see my niece in a dance recital

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:10:32am

re: #97 scrooster

John Holdren - Science Czar - Supports FORCED Sterylization, and the drugging of drinking water

lol @ u.

Your whole list is laughable, but now I know where you get your wingnut info.

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:10:42am

re: #101 sattv4u2

Again, it's about choices. ALL of my immediate family (parents, two sisters and their spouses/ children) all still live in Mass.

I moved from there twice for jobs. It was more important for me to take care of MY wife and child than for me to see my niece in a dance recital

If that worked for you, fine, but it doesn't mean everyone else is able to make that same choice, for any number of reasons.

And how does it feel that a corporation can yank you around that easily?

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 11:11:10am

re: #97 scrooster

Your cut-and-paste contains the same 'Sterylization' typo as this one:
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com...]

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 11:11:32am

re: #68 PT Barnum

I'm of the opinion that we have soiled our nest so badly that we will be extinct in the next 200 years. Unless we start picking up our crap, the planet will become uninhabitable.

38 years ago I was hiking in the remote jungles of Irian Jaya. I came across a couple of locals sawing a large felled tree into boards. One stood on top and the other below working a massive hand saw as a team to do the job.

About a year or so later I was in the same area ... this time the silence of the forrest was broken by the sound of a chain saw.

Probably the same two guys who now were being much more productive.

I knew we already had problems with slash and burn in Africa and The Amazon but this really impacted me because we are talkin' the middle of frikkin' nowhere.

Closest city maybe 1000 miles. Nothing but small villages and they were few and far between.

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:12:29am

re: #105 Bobibutu

38 years ago I was hiking in the remote jungles of Irian Jaya. I came across a couple of locals sawing a large felled tree into boards. One stood on top and the other below working a massive hand saw as a team to do the job.

About a year or so later I was in the same area ... this time the silence of the forrest was broken by the sound of a chain saw.

Probably the same two guys who now were being much more productive.

I knew we already had problems with slash and burn in Africa and The Amazon but this really impacted me because we are talkin' the middle of frikkin' nowhere.

Closest city maybe 1000 miles. Nothing but small villages and they were few and far between.

It's just gonna get worse.

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:12:51am

re: #104 jaunte

Your cut-and-paste contains the same 'Sterylization' typo as this one:
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com...]

Well, at least he's a green wingnut who recycles. /

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:12:51am

re: #97 scrooster

Drugging of drinking water!!1!1

Flouride!!!1111

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 11:13:03am

re: #92 Gus 802

US Troops March in Red Square!

Where is the outrage! //

No wait it "enraged Communists"...

I seem to recall it enraging a few people here at LGF too a while back.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:14:03am

re: #109 Renaissance_Man

I seem to recall it enraging a few people here at LGF too a while back.

Did it? Is this the first time we had an Army contingent show up at Red Square?

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:14:04am

re: #103 PT Barnum

If that worked for you, fine, but it doesn't mean everyone else is able to make that same choice, for any number of reasons.

And how does it feel that a corporation can yank you around that easily?

Better than how I would feel seeing my wife and son on the gov't dole while I sat and complained!

Here's the thing that people don't get

This is not "MY JOB". It's the companies job. I just happen to have a skill set at a mutually agreeable salary that benefits us both!

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:14:10am

re: #108 Gus 802

Drugging of drinking water!!1!1

Flouride!!!1111

/

Someone needs more Lithium in his water cooler....

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 11:15:29am

re: #97 scrooster

Even if any of your talking points were accurate, you would be conflating 'corrupt' with 'far left'. I realise that in your mind, all things evil are the province of the far left, but you might try running your argument past a five year old before putting it out here.

Oh, and your talking points are laughable. Please find a large pot of boiling water in which to render the fat in your head.

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 11:15:38am

re: #82 iceweasel

You think it's more of a threat than AGW?

It will be an interesting race to the finish line. Really won't matter. I don't think we have the smarts or cleverness to turn either around in time. So, don't worry, be happy and get on with your life.

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16:12am

re: #111 sattv4u2

Better than how I would feel seeing my wife and son on the gov't dole while I sat and complained!

Here's the thing that people don't get

This is not "MY JOB". It's the companies job. I just happen to have a skill set at a mutually agreeable salary that benefits us both!

I'm not suggesting that you sit around and complain, just recognize that not everyone can pull up stakes so easily.

My point was that the costs of using tax cuts to attract businesses aren't necessarily limited to just the cost of the tax cuts and may not be a good return on investment in the long run.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16:24am

re: #112 iceweasel

Someone needs more Lithium in his water cooler...

We have Poland Springs at work. I didn't know that was an option!!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16:39am

re: #97 scrooster

You are kidding, right? You are asking this about an administration led by Barry "Judge me by the people who surround me" Obama?

Tim Geithner - Tax cheat

Kathleen Sebelius - Tax cheat

Tom Dascle - Tax cheat

Kevin Jennings - Safe School Czar - cofounder and executive director of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), told attendees at a GLSEN conference over a decade ago that he looked forward to the day when promoting homosexuality in schools will be seen in a positive light. (See the remarks here) Also BROKE LAW, as a teacher by NOT notifying authorities of a sexual relationship between one of his male students, and an adult male.

Van Jones - Green Jobs Czar - Admitted racist, avowed communist

John Holdren - Science Czar - Supports FORCED Sterylization, and the drugging of drinking water

Cass Sunstein - Regulatory Czar - Wants to ban hunting, ban guns, give animals lawyers, and the right to sue. Monitor, and control internet blogging etc.

Mark Lloyd - FCC Diversity Czar - Hugo Chavez admirer, and racist who wants qualified whites to step down to make room for minorities and gays, AND also wants to silence free speech (opposing views) conservative radio, by implementing a 100% tax on talk radio operating costs..

Harold Koh - State Dept Legal Advisor - Says "Sharia Law could apply to disputes in US courts"

Adolfo Carrion - Urban Czar - Pocketed thousands of dollars in campaign cash from city developers whose projects he approved or funded with taxpayers' money.

Michelle Obama - Oversaw patient dumping scheme for profit, as the vice president Of University of Chicago Hospital, where she also coincidently went from 100K to over 300K promotion upon Barack Obama becoming state senator.

Tony Rezko - Chicago Slum lord, Convicted on 16 counts of corruption

Jeremiah Wright - Obama spiritual mentor 20 years, who promoted anti-government, anti-white sentiment.

ACORN - Corrupt federally funded organization, who Obama gave 800K to, and who Obama lawyered for, and benefitted from politically. Fraudulant voter registration drives. Recently exposed advising a pimp , and prostituute on how to bring in minors from other countries for purposes of prostitution, how to get illegal tax breaks, and how to stash away profits.

William Ayers - Weather Underground domestic terrorist who Obama partnered with (Chicago Annenberg Challenge) (Woods Fund) on radical left projects with the intent of indocrtinating youth.Obama also launched his bid for Chicago senate from Ayers home.

This is gonna take a while to go through so lets start with the most obvious one.

Obama couldn't have thrown Jeremiah Wright under a bus any more obviously without leaving tire marks on the man's back.

William Ayers had given up being a member of the Weather Underground by the time Obama met him along with being cleared of all charges levied against him. This was because of a mistake in the way the government tried to gather evidence against him, but if we live in a nation of laws I don't think its exactly fair to hold something against a man when he wasn't convicted of the crime in the first place.

Your "ACORN" is littered with errors for one thing we cut federal funding to them recently. For another, you do know that oh say just about nothing James O'Keefe "found out" about ACORN was actually true.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:16:51am

re: #112 iceweasel

Someone needs more Lithium in his water cooler...

Aquafina™ now with Lithium©.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:18:11am

re: #108 Gus 802

Drugging of drinking water!!1!1

Flouride!!!1111

/

Ice cream Mandrake, children's ice cream!

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:18:12am

re: #118 Gus 802

Aquafina™ now with Lithium©.

They're already doing it, you just don't know about it.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:18:22am

re: #115 PT Barnum

I'm not suggesting that you sit around and complain, just recognize that not everyone can pull up stakes so easily

I'd be willing to wager a lot more would, if they got rid of the notion that a company owes them a job!

the costs of using tax cuts to attract businesses aren't necessarily limited to just the cost of the tax cuts and may not be a good return on investment in the long run.

And my point is the increases tax revenues from the newly employed at said business far outweigh the "cuts" that business got

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 11:18:39am

re: #117 jamesfirecat

I still hold OJ Simpson completely responsible for the deaths of his wife and that kid.

How do you feel about it?

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:18:48am

re: #120 PT Barnum

They're already doing it, you just don't know about it.

Dang...I tried to put a tinfoil hat tag on that and it didn't show...

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:19:42am

re: #97 scrooster

Anus præter, much?

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:21:32am

re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I still hold OJ Simpson completely responsible for the deaths of his wife and that kid.

How do you feel about it?

You raise a valid point.

I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to treat someone who was found innocent of a crime that in truth they committed since they can no longer do "penance" for the crime by serving jail time for it....

Obviously as satisfying as mob justice might sound we live in a nation of laws and so that can't be the correct answer. Should we just have a universal shunning of that person?

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:21:43am

re: #120 PT Barnum

They're already doing it, you just don't know about it.

Every time I see a contrail I put on my protective gear because I know that high in the sky in the pointy end of the plane is the evul Dr. John Holdren in his top hat twirling his sinister mustache while he spreads the contraceptive chemicals!

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:22:35am

LGF: Sterylization™ for Trollz!

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:24:00am

re: #125 jamesfirecat

I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to treat someone who was found innocent of a crime that in truth they committed

Neither OJ nor Ayers were found 'innocent'

They were found "not guilty"

Big difference
AND,, in both cases I would make sure I had NO relationship with them even tangentially KNOWING that "in truth they committed" the crime

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:24:08am

re: #125 jamesfirecat

You raise a valid point.

I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to treat someone who was found innocent of a crime that in truth they committed since they can no longer do "penance" for the crime by serving jail time for it...

Obviously as satisfying as mob justice might sound we live in a nation of laws and so that can't be the correct answer. Should we just have a universal shunning of that person?

What would be wrong with that?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 11:24:15am

re: #125 jamesfirecat

You are so damned intellectually honest, you drive me nuts.

That is a compliment, btw...

And Obama should've shunned Mr. Ayers.

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 11:25:26am

re: #39 iceweasel

OT: Today marks 50 years since the FDA approved the Pill, marking the beginning of women's liberation. Fittingly, it's Mother's Day!

Let's celebrate a half century of women choosing when and how they will become mothers, and continue working to ensure that all women, everywhere, have children by choice-- and a world where all children are loved and wanted.

[Video]

That video again? You're shamelessly ripping off Pandagon, you!

Thank God for the pill. Not just for its role in women's liberation! It really made everybody's lives better.

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 11:25:30am

re: #106 PT Barnum

It's just gonna get worse.

Yes. It has all been downhill and accelerating all the while.
I'm fortunate I was able to experience some of the remote and exotic parts of the world before pollution started destroying them.
I made a decision early on (in my 20s) to see as much of the world as possible as soon as possible because it would probably be: a. dangerous to go off the beaten tourist track and b. hosed environmentally and c. I would not be able to have the physical capabilities to do and go where I wanted by the time I retired and could travel at leisure.
I am now soon to be 68 - I think I was right.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:27:19am

re: #128 sattv4u2

Neither OJ nor Ayers were found 'innocent'

They were found "not guilty"

There is in fact no such thing as a verdict of "innocent" in law.

There is only the dropping of charges, before or after the fact.

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 11:27:21am

re: #128 sattv4u2

I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to treat someone who was found innocent of a crime that in truth they committed

Neither OJ nor Ayers were found 'innocent'

They were found "not guilty"

Big difference
AND,, in both cases I would make sure I had NO relationship with them even tangentially KNOWING that "in truth they committed" the crime

Ayers was not found not guilty. The charges were dropped.

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:27:32am

re: #131 Nimed

That video again? You're shamelessly ripping off Pandagon, you!

Thank God for the pill. Not just for its role in women's liberation! It really made everybody's lives better.

heh. I've been seeing that vid all week all over the progosphere. Hadn't been to pandagon yet, but I'm not surprised it's there too.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:27:40am

re: #128 sattv4u2

I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to treat someone who was found innocent of a crime that in truth they committed

Neither OJ nor Ayers were found 'innocent'

They were found "not guilty"

Big difference
AND,, in both cases I would make sure I had NO relationship with them even tangentially KNOWING that "in truth they committed" the crime

First has anyone ever been found "innocent" just so I know for sure.

Secondly, to my memory Ayers was never actually even brought to court (IE the charges against him were dropped) due to the way the people investigating f***ed up their own case in the process of gathering evidence, make of that what you will when it comes to the difference between being found "innocent" and "not guilty"....

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:29:13am

re: #136 jamesfirecat

First has anyone ever been found "innocent" just so I know for sure.

Secondly, to my memory Ayers was never actually even brought to court (IE the charges against him were dropped) due to the way the people investigating f***ed up their own case in the process of gathering evidence, make of that what you will when it comes to the difference between being found "innocent" and "not guilty"...

I was making a point about YOUR point that because neither OJ not Ayers were found "guilty" that they should be welcomed back into society with open arms. Yes ,, BOTH should be shunned and damned

of course, imho

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:30:11am

Are we seriously going to have another conversation about Ayers? Is it August 2008 again?

Move ON dot org already.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 11:30:53am

re: #133 Cato the Elder

Of course civil court found him guilty. And if charges are dropped before trial, they can be re-instated. A "not guilty" verdict, spoken of in common terms as "innocent" protects the person charged from further criminal trial.

As for Ayers, well since he admitted his involvement and much later spoke in favor of the effort, we can accept him as guilty by his own admission.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 11:30:57am

re: #138 iceweasel

I was talking about OJ...
/

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:31:01am

re: #133 Cato the Elder

re: #134 MandyManners

Thank you both. I was just tryiong to make a point to James and for brevity didn't go into mechanizations of each (OJ/ Ayers) case

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 11:32:03am

re: #138 iceweasel

This is just using OJ and Ayers as thought experiments on shunning. And how we treat the "not guilty".

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:32:07am

re: #138 iceweasel

Are we seriously going to have another conversation about Ayers? Is it August 2008 again?

Move ON dot org already.

Seriously. I was just thinking, "not William Ayers again." And I can't stand that little rich boy Ayers.

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 11:32:24am

re: #128 sattv4u2

Ayers and Che.

Youtube Video

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 11:35:03am

re: #70 scrooster

Some times you gotta make a mess to fix a mess. That is what we are witnessing with regards to the Tea Party's endeavors. More interesting will be watching to see what evolves out of the liberals' side of things to counter the far right leanings of the Tea Party. Oh, wait, that far left wing radical element already exists does it not? It is called the obama political machine. For every yin, there is a yang. Things have yet to balance themselves.

Yet another Conservative who succumbed to those orientalist hippie memes of the 60s.

If you have to talk about yin and yang and harmony and all that crap, you already lost the war, buddy. You'll be trying to sense our auras soon, aren't you?

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shiplord kirel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:35:13am

biographical note: Bennett's maternal grandfather was Heber J. Grant, the seventh president of the LDS church and the last to practice "plural marriage." Mr. Grant died in 1945, when the future senator was 12 years old.
Bennett's wife, Joyce, is the granddaughter of the ninth LDS president, David O. McKay.
The Bennetts have 6 children.
You could not get more Mormon than this couple, yet they are not conservative enough for the tea party.

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:36:12am

re: #143 Gus 802

Seriously. I was just thinking, "not William Ayers again." And I can't stand that little rich boy Ayers.

I hate him with a flamey white hot passion.

Here's Katha Pollitt slamming him in the Nation. (reprinted in the guardian)
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again.

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:36:37am

I was at my kid's concert the other night and one of the songs was "Darling you can't love three" all I could think of was "unless you're a mormon"

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:36:47am

re: #141 sattv4u2

re: #134 MandyManners

Thank you both. I was just tryiong to make a point to James and for brevity didn't go into mechanizations of each (OJ/ Ayers) case

The judiciary is mechanized now?

That explains a lot.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:37:41am

re: #147 iceweasel

I hate him with a flamey white hot passion.

Here's Katha Pollitt slamming him in the Nation. (reprinted in the guardian)
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again.

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

But I love you flamey!

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Nervous Norvous Sun, May 9, 2010 11:37:54am

re: #147 iceweasel

I hate him with a flamey white hot passion.

Here's Katha Pollitt slamming him in the Nation. (reprinted in the guardian)
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again.

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

My what a terrible past you have..
The better to smear you with, my dear

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:38:46am

re: #146 shiplord kirel

You could not get more Mormon than this couple

WTF does that mean? BroadBrush enough?

I am very close friends with two Morman families. They couldn't be any further apart politically
One voted for Obama, the other for McCain (only because their 1st choice, Duncan Hunter then their second, Romney didn't win the nomination!)

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:38:54am

re: #138 iceweasel

Are we seriously going to have another conversation about Ayers? Is it August 2008 again?

Move ON dot org already.

Hey, he (scrooster) started it!

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bratwurst Sun, May 9, 2010 11:39:22am

re: #147 iceweasel

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

For some folks, the answer is not no...it's "hell no!"

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 11:39:29am

Ayer's position on the American flag.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:39:40am

re: #149 Cato the Elder

The judiciary is mechanized now?

That explains a lot.

Yup ,,,, instead of talking into the mimeograph, you have to TYPE!

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:40:18am

re: #147 iceweasel

I hate him with a flamey white hot passion.

Here's Katha Pollitt slamming him in the Nation. (reprinted in the guardian)
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again.

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

Nothing in President Obama's policies remotely approaches Ayers's philosophy. Although, I have pointed out before that Ayers shared a table with many people including some Republicans while at Annenberg.

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:41:13am

Here's something cooler for the Pill's Birthday! h/t/ Balloon Juice

I Spent My Last 10 Bucks on Birth Control and Beer:

Youtube Video

When I was a young girl like normal girls do
I looked to a woman`s love to help get me through
I never needed any more than a feminine touch
I hated the thought of kissing a man it really was too much

I did not drink, I did not smoke I did not say `goddamn`
I was polite I was sensitive before I loved a man
My family, they were proud of me were proud of what I am
But then along came Lester and my tell of woe began

(Chorus)
I spent my last ten dollars on birth control and beer
My life was so much simpler when I was sober and queer
But the love of a strong hairy man has turned my head I fear
And made me spend my last ten bucks on birth control and beer

It was June 1983 when Mary Lou and I did part
She said she loved another dyke my god, it broke my heart
I was bitter and disillusioned to lose another girlfriend
Lester came to work at Papa`s store and decided to ease on in

Before my last heartbreak nothing made me more sick
Than a hairy-chested, cheap double-breasted suited man with a hard dick
I guess that I was courios I guess that I was young
I guess it was that rum and coke I guess that I was dumb

(Chorus)

For of course, for a woman to love a man she must also love to booze
If a woman don`t drink beside her man then she will surely lose him
As I sit in this hetero honky-tonk and reflect upon my past
I think about those girlfriends and why they didn`t last

For there`s certain thrills that lesbian love simply cannot supply
Like paying for abortions from sperm gone awry
And so I say to you my friends without this man I`d die
So listen to my tell of woe and hang your head and cry

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 11:41:22am

re: #147 iceweasel

I hate him with a flamey white hot passion.

Here's Katha Pollitt slamming him in the Nation. (reprinted in the guardian)
Bill Ayers Whitewashes History, Again.

Seriously though, can we quit pretending he's Obama's BFF?

yeah, that's the point that James should have made and didn't. the point isn't that Ayers is A-OK because the charges were dropped.

the point is - the suggestion that Ayers had any influence whatsoever on the Prez is so contrary to the plain facts.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:41:47am

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Hey, he (scrooster) started it!

He's gone now. A cut-and-paste, post-and-run troll.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:42:46am

re: #160 Cato the Elder

He's gone now. A cut-and-paste, post-and-run troll.

Are you sure? I don't wana come out from under my bed till I know the bad man is gone....

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:42:50am

re: #150 Cato the Elder

But I love you flamey!

And I love you all the time. :) In a Jimmah-approved Platonic way, of course.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:42:53am

re: #155 MandyManners

Ayer's position on the American flag.

Who the fuck cares?

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 11:42:56am

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Hey, he (scrooster) started it!

Pavlov

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:44:16am

Shower time
Anyone (without testicles) care to join me!?!?
//

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reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 11:44:33am

re: #129 Cato the Elder

What would be wrong with that?

That seems to be pretty much how OJ was handled.
For a guy accustomed to lots of adoring attention, it must be excrutiating to be so ignored.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:45:32am

re: #166 reine.de.tout

That seems to be pretty much how OJ was handled.
For a guy accustomed to lots of adoring attention, it must be excrutiating to be so ignored.

Since the trial, he's done everything to NOT be ignored!

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:45:50am

re: #166 reine.de.tout

That seems to be pretty much how OJ was handled.
For a guy accustomed to lots of adoring attention, it must be excrutiating to be so ignored.

He had to pay for friends.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:46:21am

re: #166 reine.de.tout

re: #167 sattv4u2

Since the trial, he's done everything to NOT be ignored!

Me ,, I would have quietly slinked off to a tropical island for the rest of my days

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #146 shiplord kirel

biographical note: Bennett's maternal grandfather was Heber J. Grant, the seventh president of the LDS church and the last to practice "plural marriage." Mr. Grant died in 1945, when the future senator was 12 years old.
Bennett's wife, Joyce, is the granddaughter of the ninth LDS president, David O. McKay.
The Bennetts have 6 children.
You could not get more Mormon than this couple, yet they are not conservative enough for the tea party.

As I understand it, in the Alternative Universe of the American Conservative, it is not because Bennett wasn't conservative enough.

Really. That's what I'm reading.

The argument is that he wasn't activist enough. I quote, 'despite coming from one of the reddest states in the country, he was never a leading light for conservatism. ... I almost never saw Bennett out there in front of an issue - making a powerful case for conservative policies and castigating liberal ones...'

Emphasis mine. That's why he's out. He didn't make enough big statements. He didn't hate liberals enough. He didn't publicly attack liberals enough. He was only a reasonably reliable vote. That's not enough any more - it's not enough for the modern Conservative to simply vote your beliefs or represent values, you must also actively war against the other side.

It is the only principle that matters to the modern Conservative cult. All of the rest - small government, low taxes, freedom of markets and individuals - are catchphrases at best, and negotiable principles more often than not. The only thing that matters is how much you hate 'liberals', and how much they hate you. Uphold that principle, and the Tea Party will vote for you every time.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:47:41am

re: #168 Cato the Elder

He had to pay for friends.

And rounds of golf. He spent a good portion of the following years scouring every golf course for the "real" killers

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 11:47:42am

re: #168 Cato the Elder

He had to pay for friends.

He has lots of buddies now.

He is now serving his sentence as Nevada Department of Corrections Inmate #1027820 at the Lovelock Correctional Center.

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reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 11:47:50am

re: #153 jamesfirecat

Hey, he (scrooster) started it!

LOL.
Your youth is showing!
(but yes, he did start it)

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 11:48:26am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

He has lots of buddies now.

He is now serving his sentence as Nevada Department of Corrections Inmate #1027820 at the Lovelock Correctional Center.

What happens in Nevada... stays in Nevada...

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:48:50am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

He has lots of buddies now.

He is now serving his sentence as Nevada Department of Corrections Inmate #1027820 at the Lovelock Correctional Center.

hopefully having to put a daily "lovelock" on some bubbas love muscle

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 9, 2010 11:49:03am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

This is a theme that goes back to the first Puritans who settled here: it is not just a mater of how righteously you live, it is how loudly you rail against sin and godlessness.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:49:18am

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

He has lots of buddies now.

He is now serving his sentence as Nevada Department of Corrections Inmate #1027820 at the Lovelock Correctional Center.

I wonder how many times he's been in a lovelock already.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 11:49:37am

re: #175 sattv4u2

Clinton's there?

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reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 11:49:38am

re: #160 Cato the Elder

He's gone now. A cut-and-paste, post-and-run troll.

Registered yesterday afternoon, he waited almost an entire day to post his cut 'n paste.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:49:48am

re: #175 sattv4u2

hopefully having to put a daily "lovelock" on some bubbas love muscle

As a tight end or a wide receiver?

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:50:33am

re: #180 Cato the Elder

As a tight end or a wide receiver?

Depends on Bubbas' ,, ummm,,, qualifications I would guess!

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 11:50:49am

re: #158 iceweasel

Here's something cooler for the Pill's Birthday! h/t/ Balloon Juice

I Spent My Last 10 Bucks on Birth Control and Beer:

[Video]

Sigh... That was great.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 11:51:11am

re: #180 Cato the Elder

As a tight end or a wide receiver?

As a wide receiver, he could handle all sorts of balls coming his way.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 11:51:56am

Anyone watching the Senate candidate debate on ABC? At the Holocaust Museum.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:53:33am

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

As a wide receiver, he could handle all sorts of balls coming his way.

A fine quality as long as you don't come apart under pressure!

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 11:54:52am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

As I understand it, in the Alternative Universe of the American Conservative, it is not because Bennett wasn't conservative enough.

Really. That's what I'm reading.

The argument is that he wasn't activist enough. I quote, 'despite coming from one of the reddest states in the country, he was never a leading light for conservatism. ... I almost never saw Bennett out there in front of an issue - making a powerful case for conservative policies and castigating liberal ones...'

Emphasis mine. That's why he's out. He didn't make enough big statements. He didn't hate liberals enough. He didn't publicly attack liberals enough. He was only a reasonably reliable vote. That's not enough any more - it's not enough for the modern Conservative to simply vote your beliefs or represent values, you must also actively war against the other side.

It is the only principle that matters to the modern Conservative cult. All of the rest - small government, low taxes, freedom of markets and individuals - are catchphrases at best, and negotiable principles more often than not. The only thing that matters is how much you hate 'liberals', and how much they hate you. Uphold that principle, and the Tea Party will vote for you every time.

I think you're right about that. I skimmed through his biography on wikipedia. The guy has a conservative record but no record of making outrageous statements about Obama and the Democrats.

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 11:55:05am

re: #163 Cato the Elder

Who the fuck cares?

I do. Went to protest and hear him speak at St. Mary's College last year. This guy is a liar to start with and scary with his subtle, non violent, government funded, injection of his philosophy into our educational system.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 11:56:02am

re: #184 Rightwingconspirator

Anyone watching the Senate candidate debate on ABC? At the Holocaust Museum.

It's your local ABC affiliate. NAtionally, ABC doesn't have anything scheduled till 3:00 (eastern) NBA Basketball

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iceweasel Sun, May 9, 2010 11:56:05am

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

Emphasis mine. That's why he's out. He didn't make enough big statements. He didn't hate liberals enough. He didn't publicly attack liberals enough. He was only a reasonably reliable vote. That's not enough any more - it's not enough for the modern Conservative to simply vote your beliefs or represent values, you must also actively war against the other side.

Edit-Quoted for brevity-- excellent post. Absolutely spot on.

The true wingnuts don't even care if the 'war' engaged in is merely theatre either-- that is, they will settle for signs and symbols, like flag pin wearing bullshit (rather than the enacting of actual policy initiatives they support.)

They need the noise, the sound and fury. They want the rhetoric turned up to eleven. What else can you expect though? This is the culmination of two decades of the rightwing scream machine employing extreminationist and eliminationist rhetoric about anyone even center left: a liberal 'virus', a 'parasite', 'vermin'.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 11:57:34am

re: #189 iceweasel

Edit-Quoted for brevity-- excellent post. Absolutely spot on.

The true wingnuts don't even care if the 'war' engaged in is merely theatre either-- that is, they will settle for signs and symbols, like flag pin wearing bullshit (rather than the enacting of actual policy initiatives they support.)

They need the noise, the sound and fury. They want the rhetoric turned up to eleven. What else can you expect though? This is the culmination of two decades of the rightwing scream machine employing extreminationist and eliminationist rhetoric about anyone even center left: a liberal 'virus', a 'parasite', 'vermin'.

The parasite hates three things, free markets, free will and free men.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 11:58:15am

re: #188 sattv4u2

Oh heck. Should have known. I'll dig up a link and post it forthwith. Fiorina Vs Campbell & DeVore. Maybe ABC has a link I can page. Thanks

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 11:59:24am

re: #187 Bobibutu

I do. Went to protest and hear him speak at St. Mary's College last year. This guy is a liar to start with and scary with his subtle, non violent, government funded, injection of his philosophy into our educational system.

Meesa so scaaared!

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 11:59:46am

re: #190 jamesfirecat

The parasite hates three things, free markets, free will and free men.

In a few weeks, if the LGF Pages character count has increased, I think I'm going to do something involving Atlas Shrugged.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:00:58pm

re: #193 Renaissance_Man

In a few weeks, if the LGF Pages character count has increased, I think I'm going to do something involving Atlas Shrugged.

If its MST3King it line by line I can be one of your robot pals.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:01:38pm

Sarah Palin's position on the American flag: whichever one the customer is paying her to assume.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:05:44pm

"The euro slid to $1.2715 from $1.3293 in the past week, and is down 15 percent since late November. European stocks sank the most in 18 months, with the Stoxx Europe 600 Index tumbling 8.8 percent to 237.18."

I want it to get down to around .85... Europe here I come.

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 12:06:50pm

re: #187 Bobibutu

I do. Went to protest and hear him speak at St. Mary's College last year. This guy is a liar to start with and scary with his subtle, non violent, government funded, injection of his philosophy into our educational system.

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:07:44pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

"The euro slid to $1.2715 from $1.3293 in the past week, and is down 15 percent since late November. European stocks sank the most in 18 months, with the Stoxx Europe 600 Index tumbling 8.8 percent to 237.18."

I want it to get down to around .85... Europe here I come.

I'm old enough to remember fixed rates of exchange. Four marks to the dollar! The world was young and greener then, and all things did conspire at love.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:09:07pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

I'm old enough to remember fixed rates of exchange. Four marks to the dollar! The world was young and greener then, and all things did conspire at love.

Hell, back in 2001, it was 7 francs to the dollar, that was one wild vacation in Burgundy.

200

Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:09:20pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Surely there must be someplace on the web that actually appreciates your efforts.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:09:49pm

re: #191 Rightwingconspirator

Oh heck. Should have known. I'll dig up a link and post it forthwith. Fiorina Vs Campbell & DeVore. Maybe ABC has a link I can page. Thanks

try the local stations call letters

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:10:30pm

re: #197 MandyManners

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

Found at Factcheck:

STANLEY KURTZ’ WORK ON OBAMA AND THE ANNENBERG CHALLENGE IS FILLED WITH FALSITIES, BASELESS CLAIMS, AND CONVENIENT OMISSIONS
KURTZ CLAIM: KURTZ HAS REPEATEDLY DOWNPLAYED THE MAINSTREAM NATURE OF THE ANNENBERG CHALLENGE, INSTEAD IMPLYING THAT IT WAS A “RADICAL” GROUP RUN ONLY OBAMA AND AYERS REALITY: KURTZ DOES NOT MENTION THAT THE CHALLENGE WAS MADE POSSIBLE BY WALTER ANNENBERG, A STAUNCHLY CONVERSVATIVE NIXON APPOINTEE, MAJOR GOP DONOR, AND LONGTIME FRIEND OF RONALD REAGAN Walter Annenberg Was A “Conservative Republican” Who Donated A Total Of $128,100 To Republican Candidates From 1981-2000. In 1990, the Los Angeles Times described Walter Annenberg as a “conservative Republican” who was “familiar of kings, princes, and Presidents.” According to FEC reports, Walter H. Annenberg, Jr. donated a total of $128,100 to Republican candidates and Republican campaign committees between 1981 and 2002. [fec.gov, accessed 4/20/08; Los Angeles Times, 8/12/90]

[Link: factcheck.barackobama.com...]

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:11:37pm

Fact Check: Stanley Kurtz And The Chicago Annenberg Challenge
September 23, 2008
CHICAGO TRIBUNE CALLED STANLEY KURTZ’ ANNENBERG WORK “ALICE IN WONDERLAND JOURNALISM” BECAUSE OF ITS “CONCLUSION FIRST! RESEARCH AFTERWARD!”

Chicago Tribune: Stanley Kurtz’ Work On Obama And The Annenberg Challenge Is “Alice In Wonderland Journalism – Conclusion First! Research Afterward!” On August 31, 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported, “Kurtz had just started poring over nearly 1,000 archival files of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge at the University of Illinois at Chicago. But even before he’d gotten access to the documents, he’d assured National Review Online readers they would ‘provide significant insight into a web of ties linking [former Annenberg board chairman Barack] Obama to various radical organizations.’ This is Alice in Wonderland journalism—Conclusion first! Research afterward!” [Chicago Tribune, 8/1/08]

• Chicago Tribune Called Stanley Kurtz A “Partisan Attack Dog” Who Is “Actively Engaged” In The “Guilt-By-Association Campaign Against Obama.” On August 31, 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported, ”WGN-AM 720 host Milt Rosenberg erred Wednesday night when he had partisan attack dog Stanley Kurtz as his only guest for a two-hour show….Rosenberg, who is himself quite the partisan, tut-tutted right along with Kurtz. It all disguised that Kurtz really had nothing new to add to the insinuations and innuendo in the guilt-by-association portion of the campaign against Obama in which he’s actively engaged.” [Chicago Tribune, 8/31/08]

• 8/27/08: Kurtz Said “There’s A Lot That We Don’t Know That We Would Like To Know” When Asked About His View Of The “Content” Of The Obama-Ayers Relationship. On August 27, 2008, Milt Rosenberg’s asked Stanley Kurtz on his radio show, “What’s the content of the Obama-Ayers connection?” Stanley Kurtz responded, “There’s a lot that we don’t know that we would like to know.”
[Audio Clip, Stanley Kurtz on Obama and Ayers, Milt Rosenberg (WGN), 8/27/08]

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:11:47pm

Okay ,,, fair warning

If the Boston Celtics/ Red Sox/ Bruins all lose again today (Celts and Sox) and tomorrow( Bruins) I'm taking a hostage!!
/

That stated, if I had to have only one of the three win ,, Celtics,,, If I were allowed 2/3 ,,, Celts/ Sox

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:12:09pm

For those watching the Euro debt crisis, you are getting a preview of what will be happening here. Maybe in just a year or two. Fiscal conservatives are being dismissed out of hand in debate, in no small part due to the Tea Party / Paulian thing.

[Link: www.investors.com...]
Excerpt
In the wake of the financial crisis and recession, Moody's Investors Service has brought new transparency to its sovereign ratings analysis — so much so that 2018 lights up as the year the U.S. could be in line for a downgrade if Congressional Budget Office projections hold.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:12:56pm

"“Iran is the only chance for the US to solve its problems in the Middle East region,” President Ahmadinejad said."

[Link: www.irna.ir...]

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 12:13:31pm

I love how the heavily Republican Annenberg family suddenly became a bunch of anti-American left wing yahoos who fund radical leftist projects during the 2008 election.

That will never not be funny to me.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, May 9, 2010 12:13:36pm

re: #196 Walter L. Newton

"The euro slid to $1.2715 from $1.3293 in the past week, and is down 15 percent since late November. European stocks sank the most in 18 months, with the Stoxx Europe 600 Index tumbling 8.8 percent to 237.18."

I want it to get down to around .85... Europe here I come.

It was down to that not long after its inception. The real purchasing power of the euro is about 1:1 with the dollar, but it was never the strength of the euro that kept it so high, it was the weakness of the dollar.

Now as its own weaknesses show, it is starting to slide back to parity.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 12:13:45pm

It’s a portrait of a political party so far off the rails I’m beginning to doubt they’ll ever find their way back to sanity.

No they won't.

Check out the Modern Whig Party instead.

I joined.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:14:50pm

re: #209 Ojoe

No they won't.

Check out the Modern Whig Party instead.

I joined.

We know. You won't let us forget about it.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:15:00pm

re: #208 ralphieboy

It was down to that not long after its inception. The real purchasing power of the euro is about 1:1 with the dollar, but it was never the strength of the euro that kept it so high, it was the weakness of the dollar.

Now as its own weaknesses show, it is starting to slide back to parity.

I've done France at about 1.27, but I really want it down further, since I am much poorer than I've been in the past.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:15:58pm

re: #209 Ojoe

No they won't.

Check out the Modern Whig Party instead.

I joined.

Still holding meetings in a phone booth? (with room to spare for a table!!)

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:16:23pm

Stanley Kurtz Tries to Tie Gay Marriage to Divorce, Accidentally Does Opposite
By BARRETT BROWN

Does the legalization of gay marriage really contribute to the decline of heterosexual marriage? A good number of our fair republic’s cultural conservatives seem to believe that it does, which is to say that it probably doesn’t. But perhaps we should check anyway.

“[I]n the Netherlands and places where they have tried to define marriage [to include gay couples], what happens is that people just don’t get married,” evangelical kingpin James Dobson told a typically credulous Larry King in November of 2006. “It’s not that the homosexuals are marrying in greater numbers,” he continued, although obviously homosexuals are indeed marrying in greater numbers since that number used to be zero and is now something higher than zero, “it’s that when you confuse what marriage is, young people just don’t get married.”

If what James Dobson says is true, several of the states which have been have been moving towards equal rights for gays are going to be in huge trouble, and Massachusetts, which legalized gay marriage in 2004, must already be. Of course, James Dobson is wrong. But where is the degenerate old fascist getting his disinformation from this time?

The culprit in this case may be Stanley Kurtz, a regular contributor to the perpetually terrible Weekly Standard, the consistently amusing National Review, and the description-defying Commentary. A few years ago, Kurtz wrote a highly influential essay which set out to refute the work of William N. Eskridge, Jr., the John A. Garver professor of jurisprudence at Yale University, and Darren Spedale, a New York investment banker, who together had recently written a book called Gay Marriage: For Better or For Worse? What We’ve Learned From the Evidence. The authors discussed their preliminary findings in a Wall Street Journal op-ed before their work was more formally published (in fact, Kurtz weirdly dismisses it as “unpublished” several times in his article, as if it were somehow unseemly for a paper to exist between the time it is written and the time it is published)...

/Quack

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:16:37pm

re: #211 Walter L. Newton

I've done France at about 1.27, but I really want it down further, since I am much poorer than I've been in the past.

any wiser?
/

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:17:29pm

BBIAB... got to get ready for a short shift at the store...

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:18:33pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

BBIAB... got to get ready for a short shift at the store...

you have to wear a tiny outfit!?!?

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:18:36pm

re: #201 sattv4u2
Thanks just found it.

Now if I can get video to embed in my LGF "page"...

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:19:43pm

re: #217 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks just found it.

Now if I can get video to embed in my LGF "page"...

Thasokay,,, I'll wait for the Cliff Notes version!!
//

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:20:26pm

re: #217 Rightwingconspirator

Thanks just found it.

Now if I can get video to embed in my LGF "page"...

After it's in youtube that should work.

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Liberal Classic Sun, May 9, 2010 12:20:28pm

re: #213 Gus 802

I believe in equal rights. Homosexual people should have the same opportunity to enjoy divorce as Heterosexual people.

/ducks

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 12:20:58pm

re: #192 Cato the Elder

Meesa so scaaared!

Good! That is a healthy response.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 12:21:05pm

re: #210 Cato the Elder

re: #212 sattv4u2

Doing my part to make some basic changes...

It won't fit in a phonebooth.

Happy Mother's day all.

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:21:17pm

re: #205 Rightwingconspirator

For those watching the Euro debt crisis, you are getting a preview of what will be happening here. Maybe in just a year or two. Fiscal conservatives are being dismissed out of hand in debate, in no small part due to the Tea Party / Paulian thing.

[Link: www.investors.com...]
Excerpt
In the wake of the financial crisis and recession, Moody's Investors Service has brought new transparency to its sovereign ratings analysis — so much so that 2018 lights up as the year the U.S. could be in line for a downgrade if Congressional Budget Office projections hold.

Fiscal conservatives are dismissed because they still worship the Laffer Curve and think fiscal responsibility is lowering taxes. [Link: www.forbes.com...]

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:21:35pm

From a review of the "ridiculous crap" known as "The Manchurian President":

9. Déjà vu all over again

If there's one thing the world didn't need, it's yet another drawn-out exercise detailing Obama's "connections" -- no matter how tangential or imagined -- to the various "radicals" and communists of the world. National Review's Stanley Kurtz, bigoted liar Jerome Corsi, and Fox News' Sean Hannity each put out their own "exposés" of Obama's "radical" background and associations way back in 2008. Much of Klein's book is simply a retread of the same tired ground these pioneering wingnuts already covered -- indeed, Klein cites Kurtz and Corsi at length, and was Hannity's exclusive guest last night. Their work had absolutely no impact back in 2008, so there's really no reason to believe anyone's going to care two years later.

This book might be a reason why we're going to see a rehash of Ayers all over again. World Nut Daily material.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 12:22:36pm

re: #204 sattv4u2

Okay ,,, fair warning

If the Boston Celtics/ Red Sox/ Bruins all lose again today (Celts and Sox) and tomorrow( Bruins) I'm taking a hostage!!
/

That stated, if I had to have only one of the three win ,, Celtics,,, If I were allowed 2/3 ,,, Celts/ Sox

i have bad news...LeBron's elbow got better!

go Cavs!

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 12:22:49pm

As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:24:11pm

re: #225 Aceofwhat?

i have bad news...LeBron's elbow got better!

go Cavs!

I know. I was watching Friday night. As his pain subsided, mine increased!!

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 12:24:33pm

Indeed, the education department at the University of Illinois is a hotbed for the radical education professoriate. As Ayers puts it in one of his course descriptions, prospective K–12 teachers need to “be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, a teacher teaching for social justice and liberation.” Ayers’s texts on the imperative of social-justice teaching are among the most popular works in the syllabi of the nation’s ed schools and teacher-training institutes. One of Ayers’s major themes is that the American public school system is nothing but a reflection of capitalist hegemony. Thus, the mission of all progressive teachers is to take back the classrooms and turn them into laboratories of revolutionary change.

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MandyManners Sun, May 9, 2010 12:25:07pm

re: #225 Aceofwhat?

i have bad news...LeBron's elbow got better!

go Cavs!

LeBron is an idol for The Kid.

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 12:25:38pm

Ayers didn't mean shit in 2008, and he means even less in 2010.

The only thing that matters anymore is Obama's performance as President. Period.

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 12:26:01pm

re: #104 jaunte

Your cut-and-paste contains the same 'Sterylization' typo as this one:
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com...]

The imagery is really goddamn disturbing. That's why I just can't take these people seriously. Who would go to the trouble of creating an animated gif of a sitting president morphing into the devil? And how does he expect to be taken seriously?

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:27:28pm

re: #223 recusancy

Well the argument to cut spending gets no traction at all. Getting certain tax monies out in employment and business expansion is a good thing. Under Kennedy and Reagn federal revenues did increase as the economy grew. Then spending ruined the deal. Cutting taxes can force the necessary spending cuts. Prop 13 did a lot of that for all it's alleged flaws.

Laffer curve? Look have you ever heard economists were created to make weathermen look good? Ask 3 economists anything and get 4 answers. Adding partisan crap to that mix just muddies the waters.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 12:28:43pm

re: #229 MandyManners

LeBron is an idol for The Kid.

the Kid could do worse. not many 18yr-olds have handled fame and wealth as well as LeBron. he's not perfect, but he's no Tiger/Plaxico Burress/Gilbert Arenas/Michael Vick/etc...

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 12:29:55pm

Good grief. Ayers is soooooo 2008.

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:30:30pm

re: #234 beekiller

Good grief. Ayers is sooo 2008.

Actually more 1960's.

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:30:56pm

re: #234 beekiller

Good grief. Ayers is sooo ~~2008~~ 1968.

ftfy

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:31:17pm

re: #221 Bobibutu

Good! That is a healthy response.

Idiot.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 12:31:28pm

re: #230 Lidane

Ayers didn't mean shit in 2008, and he means even less in 2010.

It appears that he means a lot to Mandy.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 12:32:02pm

re: #235 recusancy

Actually more 1960's.

Good grief. Ayers is sooo 1960's. ;)

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:32:39pm

re: #238 Reginald Perrin

It appears that he means a lot to ~~Mandy~~ Obama.

//
c'mon ,, you opened yourself up to that one!!!

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lostlakehiker Sun, May 9, 2010 12:32:56pm

re: #23 iceweasel

It's not a movement based on facts or rationality.

As if the rest of our political system is? The TP's don't seem to understand that with our national debt where it is, even if they did prevail politically and rescind a lot of spending programs, taxes would still have to go up, not down, to balance the budget, much less pay down the national debt.

Under any honest accounting, the national debt is mostly held off the books, out of sight, as obligations that are politically inescapable but not legally binding. These obligations include social security payments, medicare, medicaid, and now, new health care promises.

The fairy tale we are asked to believe is that economic growth will outpace our spendthrift habits. It won't, for two reasons. First, no amount of economic growth can keep up with bad spending habits. Just ask anyone with a high-maintenance spouse. Second, we aren't at all likely to see much growth for quite a while. Our schools are a mess. The demographics of the next generation is more heavily weighted with children from groups that have struggled economically, and while better schools might make this irrelevant, we don't have those better schools. We're hitting "peak oil"; this source of energy has been next to free compared to what it's going to cost over the next few decades. China is a rising economic power but they don't seem to be inclined to buy what we have to sell. Europe is a sinking economic force, we cannot expect any relief from that corner.

Another fairy tale we are asked to believe is that the health care bill just passed will pay its own way. Social security hasn't and won't. Medicare likewise. Why will strike 3 be any different from strikes 1 and 2? Casey isn't even holding the bat.

Current policy isn't remotely characterizable as based on facts and rationality. The TP alternative throws science out the window and chants drillbabydrill, as if there were oil there to be drilled for, in the needed quantities, and as if we had a safe place to put the CO2 that burning it would generate, if we somehow magically found enough oil to dispense with other technologies.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 12:33:27pm

re: #104 jaunte

Your cut-and-paste contains the same 'Sterylization' typo as this one:
[Link: www.usmessageboard.com...]

Yeah, but I got mine from a far right wing confederate supremacy website that I spend 20 hrs a day frequenting ... at least that's what you are hoping I would admit, correct?

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 12:33:34pm

EU Preps Euro-Fund to Fight off 'Wolfpack' Debt Crisis

Asian index futures are down across the board, currently, with China looking particularly grim. European futures the same. Forex and U.S. futures are set to open for trading in about 3 hours. If Asia opens down big, & Europe follows, expect a Black Monday-type situation; the kind they talk about for 50 years.

It could get really ugly this week. This is historic, what's happening. Could make the days after Lehman went bankrupt look like the Good Old Days.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:34:10pm

re: #222 Ojoe

re: #212 sattv4u2

Doing my part to make some basic changes...

The "Natural Law Party" has a better chance than the Whigs.

Get over yourself.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 12:35:13pm

Fields of Glory - John Tesh, no vocals.

Youtube Video

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:35:17pm

re: #238 Reginald Perrin

It appears that he means a lot to Mandy.

Just looking for a way to rationalize their irrational hatred of Obama.

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 12:35:39pm

re: #230 Lidane

Ayers didn't mean shit in 2008, and he means even less in 2010.

The only thing that matters anymore is Obama's performance as President. Period.

I'm curious then. Would it be OK with you for Ayers to have trained your kids teachers how and what to teach? Assuming you have children or grandchildren.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:35:43pm

re: #242 scrooster

Yeah, but I got mine from a far right wing confederate supremacy website that I spend 20 hrs a day frequenting ... at least that's what you are hoping I would admit, correct?

Thought you were gone.

Dark Falcon! Grill time!

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 12:36:29pm

I guess it's the first "victory" the tea partiers can claim, and I doubt they would have gotten this in a real election; any news on whether Bennett will go I or not?

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sattv4u2 Sun, May 9, 2010 12:36:37pm

Games started

BBL (unless I'm hunting the medicine cabinates for pain killers!!)

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:36:38pm

re: #244 Cato the Elder

The "Natural Law Party" has a better chance than the Whigs.

Get over yourself.

Maybe it's the catnip smoking, college dorm room dwelling, pizza scarfing liberal in me, but let the man have his dreams!

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 12:37:26pm

re: #242 scrooster

No, but it would be more straightforward if you just linked to the list, or said it was something you had read elsewhere, instead of just posting it as if you were the original author. Were you?

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 12:37:29pm

re: #250 sattv4u2

Games started

BBL (unless I'm hunting the medicine cabinates for pain killers!!)

better pop a tylenol...Cavs are picking up where they left off!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:37:43pm

re: #249 Thanos

I guess it's the first "victory" the tea partiers can claim, and I doubt they would have gotten this in a real election; any news on whether Bennett will go I or not?

You're wrong, their first "victory" was NY-23!

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:38:09pm

re: #254 jamesfirecat

You're wrong, their first "victory" was NY-23!

lol

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jvic Sun, May 9, 2010 12:38:14pm

re: #207 Lidane

I love how the heavily Republican Annenberg family suddenly became a bunch of anti-American left wing yahoos who fund radical leftist projects during the 2008 election.
That will never not be funny to me.

I have nothing against Walter Annenberg and his family.

One word, one proper noun: Gramsci.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:38:57pm

re: #254 jamesfirecat

You're wrong, their first "victory" was NY-23!

Let's not forget their second "victory" in Texas: Debra Medina.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 12:39:13pm

re: #113 Renaissance_Man

Even if any of your talking points were accurate, you would be conflating 'corrupt' with 'far left'. I realise that in your mind, all things evil are the province of the far left, but you might try running your argument past a five year old before putting it out here.
Oh, and your talking points are laughable. Please find a large pot of boiling water in which to render the fat in your head.

Oh, by no means is the far left the sole purveyors of corruptness when it comes to politics. As a matter of fact, that too is well balanced. However, the Tea Party, by sheer reason of its adolescence, has yet to be corrupted in terms of deed, yet perhaps not in terms of philosophy.

I gather from your grammar, and quickness to resort to name calling, that you too are experiencing your adolescent years? Not really what one would expect from a "Renaissance_Man" now is it - your grammar, reasoning and adolescent retort that is.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:39:22pm

re: #256 jvic

I have nothing against Walter Annenberg and his family.

One word, one proper noun: Gramsci.

Oh, God, not this shit again.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:40:13pm

re: #258 scrooster

Oh, by no means is the far left the sole purveyors of corruptness when it comes to politics. As a matter of fact, that too is well balanced. However, the Tea Party, by sheer reason of its adolescence, has yet to be corrupted in terms of deed, yet perhaps not in terms of philosophy.

I gather from your grammar, and quickness to resort to name calling, that you too are experiencing your adolescent years? Not really what one would expect from a "Renaissance_Man" now is it - your grammar, reasoning and adolescent retort that is.

Your list has shown that Obama is corrupt.
You've admitted that corruption is equally spread among political parties give or take the tea party.

How does this prove that Obama is of the far left then?

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:41:17pm

re: #258 scrooster

Out of curiosity, who do you think personifies the moderate left?

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 12:42:15pm

re: #242 scrooster

at least that's what you are hoping I would admit, correct?

And that's just the beginning. We have such high hopes for you.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 12:42:40pm

re: #258 scrooster

You are wrong there. The same people who gave us Randall Duke Cunningham, JD Hayworth and Ambramoff, and that Ralph Reed thing are definitely part of the tea party. Ever hear of Dick Armey by change? Same fricking machine, so get a clue.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:42:41pm

re: #261 recusancy

Out of curiosity, who do you think personifies the moderate left?

Oh I know this one!

Charlie Crist and Dede Scozzafava!

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:43:23pm

re: #244 Cato the Elder

But what has a better shot at filling the vacuum left by a collapsed Republican party? Would the Dems split into the Blue Dogs and the rest?

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 12:43:59pm

re: #258 scrooster

Pretentious writing style doesn't get you and bonus points.

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 12:44:41pm

re: #261 recusancy

Out of curiosity, who do you think personifies the moderate left?

Newt Gingrich.

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:44:46pm

re: #266 dugmartsch

Pretentious writing style doesn't get you and bonus points.

Damned elitist.

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 12:45:00pm

re: #261 recusancy

Out of curiosity, who do you think personifies the moderate left?

Pat Buchanan.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:45:25pm

re: #258 scrooster

I'm probably one of the closet to my adolescence years here. So allow me to do the honors.

Go troll your worn out, debunked, idiotic Obama slurs somewhere else you tea bagging wingnut.

Cool?

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 12:45:47pm

If Obama is perceived by some as far left, its a sign of how FAR right (some) conservatives have gone. Jeeze.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:02pm

re: #258 scrooster

However, the Tea Party, by sheer reason of its adolescence, has yet to be corrupted in terms of deed, yet perhaps not in terms of philosophy.

Maybe where you come from the Tea Party movement is pure as the driven snow, but in the reality based universe it is an astro-turf movement that receives a lot of funding from people like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:03pm

re: #258 scrooster

Oh, by no means is the far left the sole purveyors of corruptness when it comes to politics. As a matter of fact, that too is well balanced. However, the Tea Party, by sheer reason of its adolescence, has yet to be corrupted in terms of deed, yet perhaps not in terms of philosophy.

I gather from your grammar, and quickness to resort to name calling, that you too are experiencing your adolescent years? Not really what one would expect from a "Renaissance_Man" now is it - your grammar, reasoning and adolescent retort that is.

I would love to stick around for your inevitable slow roasting, but I have to go see my mom for Mother's Day.

There is nothing wrong with RM's grammar that I can see. Yours, however, your entire linguistic habitus, in fact, reeks of early-onset Alzheimer's or at the very least an advanced case of wet brain.

For example, you think "corruptness" is a word.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:07pm

re: #244 Cato the Elder

We shall see.

I've sworn off voting for D or R, except in extreme emergency.

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bratwurst Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:18pm

Well at least we are re-hashing the most recent presidential campaign. I walked into a thread about a month or so ago in which Kerry's lack of fitness to be POTUS was being asserted.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:24pm

re: #117 jamesfirecat

Obama couldn't have thrown Jeremiah Wright under a bus any more obviously without leaving tire marks on the man's back.

William Ayers had given up being a member of the Weather Underground by the time Obama met him along with being cleared of all charges levied against him. This was because of a mistake in the way the government tried to gather evidence against him, but if we live in a nation of laws I don't think its exactly fair to hold something against a man when he wasn't convicted of the crime in the first place.

Your "ACORN" is littered with errors for one thing we cut federal funding to them recently. For another, you do know that oh say just about nothing James O'Keefe "found out" about ACORN was actually true.

Those tire marks on Wright's back were for political expediency and under the guise of Obama recognizing the errors of his 20 some-odd years of Wright worship, coincidentally right around election time. Yeah, right.

With regards to Ayers, ummmmmm, right. And we'll not hold anything against O.J. for nearly chopping the head of his wife off on her front steps and then stabbing some poor waiter to death who was delievering her glasses to her either, shall we? I mean, O.J. was found innocent as well and, better yet, he never admitted his guilt as Ayers has found the courage to do so lately under the Obango administration.

Actually, ACORN received enough federal grant money to help get Obango elected. They are corrupt enough, as exposed by O'Keefe, to have felt the need to withdraw, regroup and rename themselves ... so I guess you could technically say that, under this current administration, they are now in the witness protection program.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:58pm

re: #271 beekiller

If Obama is perceived by some as far left, its a sign of how FAR right (some) conservatives have gone. Jeeze.

Obama is not far left... you want to hear far left, listen to Thom Hartmann, Bernie Sanders, Ed Shultz... Hartmann hasn't like much of anything that the current administration has done.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:46:59pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Go thank your mother for raising you right, from all of us.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:47:45pm

re: #276 scrooster

And the racism starts to come out. Stay classy tea party.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:48:25pm

re: #274 Ojoe

We shall see.

I've sworn off voting for D or R, except in extreme emergency.

If you swapped the D and the R, that would rhyme.

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bratwurst Sun, May 9, 2010 12:48:30pm

re: #276 scrooster

Van Jones...Ayers...Obango...ACORN

WINGNUT BINGO!

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 12:48:39pm

re: #276 scrooster

I am a republican, but don't slur my president. It's disgusting. Have some common decency, for God's sake.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 12:48:41pm

So Rooster -- who do you think you are talking about when you bring up Tea party if you aren't talking about the wing of the tea party I mentioned above? The same old religious right socon shitheads who are going to screw us again if they get elected? The constitution party Tea party whackballs who want theocracy? The birch wing of the Tea party? The Council of Conservative Citizens Tea party? The Neconfederates? The Nativist division?

/as you can see some of the lines get blurry between those divisions, but those groups have all hosted tea parties...

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 12:49:07pm

re: #247 Bobibutu

I'm curious then. Would it be OK with you for Ayers to have trained your kids teachers how and what to teach? Assuming you have children or grandchildren.

Oh lawd. Are you serious? Old meme is old. That horse got beaten to death years ago and is barely more than dust now.

Look-- right now, my state's Board of Education is trying to erase Thomas Jefferson from the history books in favor of John Calvin. They're also a bunch of Creationist, far right, anti-science and anti-reason yahoos. At this point, I'll take anybody who favors teaching real science and real history in the classroom, so my state doesn't fall apart in 20 years, despite the best efforts of the wingnuts.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 12:49:33pm

re: #280 Cato the Elder

A new slogan ...

LOL

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 12:50:01pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton

Obama is not far left... you want to hear far left, listen to Thom Hartmann, Bernie Sanders, Ed Shultz... Hartmann hasn't like much of anything that the current administration has done.

Agreed.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 12:50:54pm

This crispy chicken smells familiar...

/leghorn?

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:50:56pm

re: #277 Walter L. Newton
I have been reading some of the left blogs gashing away at Obama. Best example
Code Pink members debating Obama as a war criminal or not. Or others about how single payer/ public option was do or die for the administration. On and on.

I'm afraid if a right wingnut article touches a far left article on Obama we will have a matter-doesn't matter explosion.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 12:51:11pm

re: #286 beekiller

For very far left listen to Pacifica Radio & Amy Goodman.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:51:23pm

re: #276 scrooster

I think you may not last until I get back, so let me wish you a swift and painless stunning blow to the head and an honored place on the Lizard high table, with some scraps for me when I return.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:51:37pm

re: #286 beekiller

Agreed.

Full disclosure... I'm not happy with much of what has come out of the Obama administration either... for different reasons than people like Hartmann and Sanders.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 12:51:57pm

re: #276 scrooster

Those tire marks on Wright's back were for political expediency and under the guise of Obama recognizing the errors of his 20 some-odd years of Wright worship, coincidentally right around election time. Yeah, right.

With regards to Ayers, ummm, right. And we'll not hold anything against O.J. for nearly chopping the head of his wife off on her front steps and then stabbing some poor waiter to death who was delievering her glasses to her either, shall we? I mean, O.J. was found innocent as well and, better yet, he never admitted his guilt as Ayers has found the courage to do so lately under the Obango administration.

Actually, ACORN received enough federal grant money to help get Obango elected. They are corrupt enough, as exposed by O'Keefe, to have felt the need to withdraw, regroup and rename themselves ... so I guess you could technically say that, under this current administration, they are now in the witness protection program.

What a stunningly superficial douche-bag. Are you spoon-fed all your talking points from Sean Hannity?

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:52:37pm

re: #291 Walter L. Newton

Full disclosure... I'm not happy with much of what has come out of the Obama administration either... for different reasons than people like Hartmann and Sanders.

I think its safe to say that disagreeing with Obama does not make someone far left, far right, or anything in between. Of course it doesn't rule those things out either.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 12:52:43pm

C'mon now. Just scroll the troll.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:11pm

re: #276 scrooster

Obango? Why don't you go back to Free Republic or World Nut Daily.

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:15pm

re: #276 scrooster

Those tire marks on Wright's back were for political expediency and under the guise of Obama recognizing the errors of his 20 some-odd years of Wright worship, coincidentally right around election time. Yeah, right.

With regards to Ayers, ummm, right. And we'll not hold anything against O.J. for nearly chopping the head of his wife off on her front steps and then stabbing some poor waiter to death who was delievering her glasses to her either, shall we? I mean, O.J. was found innocent as well and, better yet, he never admitted his guilt as Ayers has found the courage to do so lately under the Obango administration.

Actually, ACORN received enough federal grant money to help get Obango elected. They are corrupt enough, as exposed by O'Keefe, to have felt the need to withdraw, regroup and rename themselves ... so I guess you could technically say that, under this current administration, they are now in the witness protection program.

O'Keefe the same guy who spends his spare time bugging a senator's office. And you look really great calling the president Obango. What are you five?

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:21pm

re: #288 Rightwingconspirator

I have been reading some of the left blogs gashing away at Obama. Best example
Code Pink members debating Obama as a war criminal or not. Or others about how single payer/ public option was do or die for the administration. On and on.

I'm afraid if a right wingnut article touches a far left article on Obama we will have a matter-doesn't matter explosion.

Popular progressive radio talk show host Thom Hartmann has already said on his show last year that the far left is in many ways more aligned with the Tea Parties than the Democrats.

I linked to those statements last year, don't have them now, but it's fact that he said it.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:31pm

re: #179 reine.de.tout

Registered yesterday afternoon, he waited almost an entire day to post his cut 'n paste.

No ... I'm still here. Been waiting years to get in, will be here for years to come. Thanks for the warm welcome. :)

Once I learn the board tools, I'll no doubt be able to use reference material without the appearance of it being a simple cut and past doothingy.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:41pm

re: #293 McSpiff

I think its safe to say that disagreeing with Obama does not make someone far left, far right, or anything in between. Of course it doesn't rule those things out either.

No... just racist.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:53:48pm

re: #294 Rightwingconspirator

But its our one real family activity here!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:00pm

re: #281 bratwurst

WINGNUT BINGO!

How can you have bingo with only four dots?

Are you playing with a "free space" in the middle?

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:19pm

In Less Than 72 Hours, Louisiana Beaches Will Be Pasted With Oil...

Drill, baby, drill indeed.

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Bob Dillon Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:21pm

re: #284 Lidane

Oh lawd. Are you serious? Old meme is old. That horse got beaten to death years ago and is barely more than dust now.

Look-- right now, my state's Board of Education is trying to erase Thomas Jefferson from the history books in favor of John Calvin. They're also a bunch of Creationist, far right, anti-science and anti-reason yahoos. At this point, I'll take anybody who favors teaching real science and real history in the classroom, so my state doesn't fall apart in 20 years, despite the best efforts of the wingnuts.

I actually took the time to sit down and politely listen to him speak for over an hour. Yep, there are lots of problems out there. He is one of them. Rate him low on your personal list if you must however writing him off is not wise. Just my opinion after listening and observing him personally.

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bratwurst Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:28pm

re: #298 scrooster

will be here for years to come

I am not a betting man, but I would wager against that.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:43pm

re: #292 Sigma_x

What a stunningly superficial douche-bag. Are you spoon-fed all your talking points from Sean Hannity?

I think he gets it through a tube and shits it out into an enterostoma bag, which he then dumps indiscriminately over the heads of blog readers.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 12:54:57pm

re: #299 Walter L. Newton

err I accused the troll of being racist for using 'Obango' or whatever slur he picked but I'm not sure why'd you be taking offense to that...

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freetoken Sun, May 9, 2010 12:55:06pm

re: #232 Rightwingconspirator

Cutting taxes can force the necessary spending cuts. Prop 13 did a lot of that for all it's alleged flaws.

If Prop 13 forced "necessary spending cuts", then why did the California budget increase so much?

Rather than your assertion, I believe the opposite has happened. What Prop 13 ended up doing is delocalizing the funding of local government. In other words, counties and incorporated communities grew increasingly reliant on state programs or state and federal funds.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 12:55:24pm

Don't quote the Troll, folks!

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recusancy Sun, May 9, 2010 12:55:54pm

re: #303 Bobibutu

I actually took the time to sit down and politely listen to him speak for over an hour. Yep, there are lots of problems out there. He is one of them. Rate him low on your personal list if you must however writing him off is not wise. Just my opinion after listening and observing him personally.

Then take it up with the University of Chicago. He isn't teaching anybody I know including the President.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:56:17pm

re: #298 scrooster

No ... I'm still here. Been waiting years to get in, will be here for years to come. Thanks for the warm welcome. :)

Oh, the blind self-confidence of youth - or the witless maunderings of age! Take your pick.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:56:22pm

re: #298 scrooster

No ... I'm still here. Been waiting years to get in, will be here for years to come. Thanks for the warm welcome. :)

Once I learn the board tools, I'll no doubt be able to use reference material without the appearance of it being a simple cut and past doothingy.

I think the reference was in regards to you simply trying to make a point by totally clipping and pasting a talking point. Most of us here will state opinions in our own words, with links and/or quotes from material... but a whole comment of clip and paste is sort of a red flag that you are a troll with no desire to actually engage in conversation and debate.

Just a little advice for a newbie.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 12:57:24pm

re: #306 McSpiff

err I accused the troll of being racist for using 'Obango' or whatever slur he picked but I'm not sure why'd you be taking offense to that...

Speaking of racism. The name "Obango" is very popular at Stormfront.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 12:57:46pm

re: #290 Cato the Elder

I think you may not last until I get back, so let me wish you a swift and painless stunning blow to the head and an honored place on the Lizard high table, with some scraps for me when I return.

i'll try to save you part of a gluteus, but i can't promise anything...it can get vicious trying to defend a good scrap of gamey heinie...

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 12:58:11pm

re: #303 Bobibutu

I actually took the time to sit down and politely listen to him speak for over an hour. Yep, there are lots of problems out there. He is one of them. Rate him low on your personal list if you must however writing him off is not wise. Just my opinion after listening and observing him personally.

Yeah, because Bill Ayers's influence is at least as broad and deep as the guy on my street who sells cheap incense and essential oils.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 12:58:27pm

re: #302 Sigma_x

In Less Than 72 Hours, Louisiana Beaches Will Be Pasted With Oil...

Drill, baby, drill indeed.

Drill, baby, drill... on land... the administrationre: #306 McSpiff

err I accused the troll of being racist for using 'Obango' or whatever slur he picked but I'm not sure why'd you be taking offense to that...

Obango was the Kenyan politician, it was not a reference to President Obama. And I am saying that MY opposition to man of the administrations policies have offered me the opportunity to be called a racist.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 12:59:03pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Speaking of racism. The name "Obango" is very popular at Stormfront.

On a happier note seeing that phrase reminded me of this...

Chico: I think he's a Ubangi.

Groucho: Well, I'll get the hammer and "Ubangi" that right off.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 12:59:11pm

re: #252 jaunte

No, but it would be more straightforward if you just linked to the list, or said it was something you had read elsewhere, instead of just posting it as if you were the original author. Were you?

No, but as I stated earlier, it was my very first post and I had yet to understand how to use the quote feature ... my bad. Trust me, it'll not happen again Sir!

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 12:59:13pm

re: #289 Ojoe

For very far left listen to Pacifica Radio & Amy Goodman.

I've never heard of them. I'll google them.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:05pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Obango was the Kenyan politician, it was not a reference to President Obama. And I am saying that MY opposition to man of the administrations policies have offered me the opportunity to be called a racist.

Or maybe I was wrong, you're right, scootershit was using a slur for Obama.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:08pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

As Gus pointed out in #312, 'Obango' has been latched onto by many racist groups as a more African label for Obama. Anyways, I know that you disagree with Obama for many reasons, but never because of his race. Hope I didn't come across as suggesting you did, to you or any other poster.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:19pm

re: #318 beekiller

They're very very very far left.

Grouchy too.

Pacifica was started by a WW2 pacifist.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:27pm

re: #317 scrooster

What did you mean by "Obango?"

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Killgore Trout Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:30pm

re: #318 beekiller

I've never heard of them. I'll google them.

I used to listen to Amy Goodman all the time. I was fascinated with her because I couldn't figure out if she was crazy or stupid. I never did figure her out.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:01:41pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Obango was the Kenyan politician, it was not a reference to President Obama. And I am saying that MY opposition to man of the administrations policies have offered me the opportunity to be called a racist.

No. Scrooster used "Obango" in reference to the Obama administration. And as I already posted it is also used to reference Obama at Stormfront.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:02:03pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Speaking of racism. The name "Obango" is very popular at Stormfront.

I couldn't stand Bush but I never called him anything but President Bush the entire 8 years he was our President. Respect for the office...

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:02:20pm

re: #320 McSpiff

re: #324 Gus 802

See my re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Or maybe I was wrong, you're right, scootershit was using a slur for Obama.

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Killgore Trout Sun, May 9, 2010 1:02:29pm

re: #324 Gus 802

No. Scrooster used "Obango" in reference to the Obama administration. And as I already posted it is also used to reference Obama at Stormfront.

It's also common terminology at Hot Air.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:02:52pm

re: #260 jamesfirecat

Your list has shown that Obama is corrupt.
You've admitted that corruption is equally spread among political parties give or take the tea party.

How does this prove that Obama is of the far left then?

Because there are extremes that are measured by action, word and deed. Obama has, consistently, taken action, spoken words and done deeds which are indicative of the far left although, admittedly, he saved the words until after he was elected. Prior to being elected, immediately prior to being elected, you would have thought he was the most center-of-the road moderate liberal SOB to have ever walked the face of the earth. It's part of his charm, how he lies with such a straight face and smooth delivery. He is the master of deception, that I'll give him.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:02:59pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

re: #324 Gus 802

See my re: #319 Walter L. Newton

Roger, just saw that. Thanks.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:02pm

re: #315 Walter L. Newton

Obango was the Kenyan politician, it was not a reference to President Obama. And I am saying that MY opposition to man of the administrations policies have offered me the opportunity to be called a racist.

que? there are people out there calling Obama "Obango". Of what politician do you speak?

i am also assuming it's a slur, given that it is an actual slur presently in use.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:03pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

I used to listen to Amy Goodman all the time. I was fascinated with her because I couldn't figure out if she was crazy or stupid. I never did figure her out.

Self-infatuated and sure that she's always right = a female pantaloon.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:23pm

re: #317 scrooster

re: #328 scrooster

What did you mean by "Obango?"

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:32pm

You know what's gonna be fun to watch - when the market crash big time in the next few weeks/months, the right is going to place the blame squarely on Obama's "failed economic policies," regardless of the inconvenient fact that this is solely about European sovereign debt putting the breaks on any global recovery; about the big banks in the U.S. and their huge exposure to said European sovereign debt; and and the credit market freezing up all over again as a result of all this,.. etc. etc.

At the same time, you're gonna see the dollar go completely vertical and take off like someone shoved a hot pepper up its ass. But you won't hear anything about that out of the right. It'll just go to show you that the right will take any and all opportunities to try and paint Obama as being the cause of everything that goes wrong in the world, whether it's supported by the truth or not. In my eyes (call me crazy) if you have to lie to support your position, then your position is bullshit to begin with. In fact, as far as I can tell, the right currently has no position. Period.

As the late, great Daniel Moynihan once said - "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But not their own facts."

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:37pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Yep, me and you are on the same page Walter. Maybe scooter really did mean to reference the Kenyan politician, but I won't hold my breath.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 1:03:41pm

re: #323 Killgore Trout

Well stupid anyway, in her misapprehension of human nature and history.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:04:26pm

re: #325 beekiller

I couldn't stand Bush but I never called him anything but President Bush the entire 8 years he was our President. Respect for the office...

I might have called him "Shrub" now and again.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 1:04:53pm

re: #298 scrooster

will be here for years to come.

If by here you are referring to living in your own little world, I agree.

If you're talking about LGF, ask not for whom the charcoal glows, the charcoal glows for thee.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:05:03pm

re: #307 freetoken

Well the answer in recent terms would be that as with growth revenues increased, spending increased apace and more. Critical Point-No provision was made for reduced revenues as in the recession.

In the end at every level of government spending it takes from $1.10 to $1.?? to spend one dollar of revenue. Real craven corruption helped exacerbate the issues in pensions.

Firm ties between spending and revenues would be the general principle that has been set aside at our peril. That IMHO is real fiscal conservatism right there. Well that and a willingness to set aside real funds for emergencies like disasters.

Six words. Firm ties between spending and revenues. Thats how to start.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:05:11pm

re: #261 recusancy

Out of curiosity, who do you think personifies the moderate left?

Joe Lieberman and many of the Blue Dogs although, finding a moderate Democrat is becoming more and more difficult.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:05:17pm

re: #328 scrooster

Because there are extremes that are measured by action, word and deed. Obama has, consistently, taken action, spoken words and done deeds which are indicative of the far left although, admittedly, he saved the words until after he was elected. Prior to being elected, immediately prior to being elected, you would have thought he was the most center-of-the road moderate liberal SOB to have ever walked the face of the earth. It's part of his charm, how he lies with such a straight face and smooth delivery. He is the master of deception, that I'll give him.

Dude you've said he's taken action that is of the far left, but you haven't told me what actions those are.

Please explain what actions he's taken have been of the far left and stop dodging my question.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:05:52pm

re: #339 scrooster

What did you mean by "Obango?"

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:05:56pm

re: #334 McSpiff

Yep, me and you are on the same page Walter. Maybe scooter really did mean to reference the Kenyan politician, but I won't hold my breath.

Impossible. This is what he said:

...I mean, O.J. was found innocent as well and, better yet, he never admitted his guilt as Ayers has found the courage to do so lately under the Obango administration.

Actually, ACORN received enough federal grant money to help get Obango elected...

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 1:06:07pm

re: #328 scrooster

ROFL.

If you seriously believe that Obama has ever been anything that could remotely be called "far left", I don't know what to tell you. As President, the guy is barely to the left of Clinton. He's nowhere near the far left. At all.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:06:16pm

re: #341 Walter L. Newton

What did you mean by "Obango?"

What the hell do you think he meant?

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:06:51pm

re: #342 Gus 802

Shit, you're right. Alright, he's firmly listed as "Douchebag racist troll" again. Thanks for grabbing the quote.

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 1:07:06pm

re: #336 jamesfirecat

I might have called him "Shrub" now and again.

I called him Dubya when he did or said something particularly stupid, but mostly kept to calling him President Bush.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:07:23pm

Hmmm. A bunch of comments containing a certain recent insult upon our president may go away in a digital puff of deleted bits.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:07:43pm

re: #344 Sigma_x

What the hell do you think he meant?

Fuck you... I ask scooter shit, not you... stuff it.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:07:45pm

re: #345 McSpiff

Shit, you're right. Alright, he's firmly listed as "Douchebag racist troll" again. Thanks for grabbing the quote.

Fire up the grill! Who'll chop the onions? Where's Dark_Falcon?

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 1:07:53pm

I always find it amusing when people call Obama far left. Since the real far left can't stand the guy. I didn't get to see it during the campaign but Colbert apparently had the real Socialist Party candidate on and he was like uh Obama isn't one of ours. I myself have my disagreements with Obama from the left. And shocker I am not a Communist or even a Socialist.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:08:02pm

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Fuck you... I ask scooter shit, not you... stuff it.

You are an ugly, stupid old man.

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 1:08:06pm

re: #343 Lidane

The far left can't stand Obama, actually.

They feel very let down by him.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:08:22pm

re: #345 McSpiff

Shit, you're right. Alright, he's firmly listed as "Douchebag racist troll" again. Thanks for grabbing the quote.

That's why I'm question him, a number of times, but it seems like scooter shit doesn't want to fess up with an answer.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:08:34pm

re: #351 Sigma_x

You are an ugly, stupid old man.

Yawn.

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 1:09:12pm

re: #332 Walter L. Newton

re: #328 scrooster

What did you mean by "Obango?"

I am too naive to understand the name-calling, here. Is it just me?

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Tigger2005 Sun, May 9, 2010 1:09:31pm

re: #328 scrooster

Because there are extremes that are measured by action, word and deed. Obama has, consistently, taken action, spoken words and done deeds which are indicative of the far left although, admittedly, he saved the words until after he was elected. Prior to being elected, immediately prior to being elected, you would have thought he was the most center-of-the road moderate liberal SOB to have ever walked the face of the earth. It's part of his charm, how he lies with such a straight face and smooth delivery. He is the master of deception, that I'll give him.

Huh? It seemed kind of the opposite to me. Obama talked a lot more leftist while he was running than he's talked and acted since he was elected.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:09:49pm

re: #355 dugmartsch

I am too naive to understand the name-calling, here. Is it just me?

Let's see what scooter has to say about the name "Obango?"

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 1:09:56pm

re: #352 Ojoe

The far left can't stand Obama, actually.

They feel very let down by him.

That's the insidious part of his secret Manchurian plan.
/

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Ojoe Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:13pm

BBL

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abbyadams Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:20pm

re: #54 Bobibutu

Also, though, you've got things like tributyltins that are and have been used as slimicides, antifoulants, and fungicides on boats, piers, docks, etc...they also contribute to sex switching. I would think that's a bigger issue than contraceptives.

Plus they might be making us fat.
Obesogens.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:26pm

re: #333 Sigma_x

If the dollar goes vertical you can forget about manufacturing here getting growth. Cheap gold and tons of things sitting in warehouses. And hordes of hungry 99ers, folks who have run out their 99 weeks on unemployment. I sure hope you are wrong here.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:32pm

re: #348 Walter L. Newton

Fuck you... I ask scooter shit, not you... stuff it.

It's alright, Walter - I'm not mad at'cha. If I were as old, ugly, lonely as you, and had no life outside of this message board (aside from my shit job working as grocery-bag packer) I'd be as angry and as ornery as you.

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Tigger2005 Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:40pm

re: #358 jaunte

That's the insidious part of his secret Manchurian plan.
/

Ah yes. When does he activate the sleepers?

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:54pm

re: #362 Sigma_x

It's alright, Walter - I'm not mad at'cha. If I were as old, ugly, lonely as you, and had no life outside of this message board (aside from my shit job working as grocery-bag packer) I'd be as angry and as ornery as you.

Whatever.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:10:56pm

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

His silence is speaking volumes, at least for myself. You're free to come to your own conclusions of course.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:11:20pm

re: #346 Lidane

I called him Dubya when he did or said something particularly stupid, but mostly kept to calling him President Bush.

My dad called him that and he adored him.

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freetoken Sun, May 9, 2010 1:11:21pm

re: #338 Rightwingconspirator

Six words. Firm ties between spending and revenues. Thats how to start.

Well then, Prop 13 hasn't helped in that regard.

Ultimately the differences between spending and revenue will be resolved by insolvencies of various cities, and the workers/retirees that depend upon tax revenues will get their pay cut. Same with counties, and even the state. So the ultimate "solution" is not a mystery. The angst we have today is that we want to avoid that misery.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:11:36pm

re: #361 Rightwingconspirator

If the dollar goes vertical you can forget about manufacturing here getting growth. Cheap gold and tons of things sitting in warehouses. And hordes of hungry 99ers, folks who have run out their 99 weeks on unemployment. I sure hope you are wrong here.

You're absolutely right - a strong dollar is just about the worst thing that can happen to the U.S. right now. It kills exports, for one.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:12:05pm

re: #365 McSpiff

His silence is speaking volumes, at least for myself. You're free to come to your own conclusions of course.

Agreed.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:12:48pm

re: #368 Sigma_x

You're absolutely right - a strong dollar is just about the worst thing that can happen to the U.S. right now. It kills exports, for one.

Well if nothing else we can always print more money to pay off the national debt, that will weaken the dollar!

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:12:56pm

re: #263 Thanos

You are wrong there. The same people who gave us Randall Duke Cunningham, JD Hayworth and Ambramoff, and that Ralph Reed thing are definitely part of the tea party. Ever hear of Dick Armey by change? Same fricking machine, so get a clue.

See, you mistake me for being someone who gives a flying horse $#!+ about the Tea Party. I merely commented that they are part of the cosmic propensity that eventually forces balance from everything. Just as I am here to provide balance to the 100 or so of the far left wingnuts in this community as evidenced by this thread. :) Much like Gordon Geiko's greed - Balance is right, balance works. Balance clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Balance, in all of its forms; balance for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And honestly, balance is never achieved. Thus we have the political swinging and tottering back and forth - and will have forever.

Read more: [Link: www.creditwritedowns.com...]

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:12:59pm

re: #362 Sigma_x

It's alright, Walter - I'm not mad at'cha. If I were as old, ugly, lonely as you, and had no life outside of this message board (aside from my shit job working as grocery-bag packer) I'd be as angry and as ornery as you.

Dude, that's a low blow.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 1:13:12pm

re: #351 Sigma_x

You are an ugly, stupid old man.

And you are so far out of your league here I doubt you'll last much longer than Scrooster.

I smelled it comin' off you when you first showed up.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:14:01pm

re: #371 scrooster

What did you mean by calling the President "Obango?"

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:14:07pm

re: #307 freetoken

I did not answer your second paragraph-Yes it did exactly that. Especially in small population counties. Cutting taxes to head off spending is a slash and burn tactic. Far better to rationalize the spending process.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:14:27pm

re: #270 McSpiff

I'm probably one of the closet to my adolescence years here. So allow me to do the honors.

Go troll your worn out, debunked, idiotic Obama slurs somewhere else you tea bagging wingnut.

Cool?

Yeah, cool, now go *&^# yourself. Cool to you? :)

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 1:14:36pm

re: #362 Sigma_x

It's alright, Walter - I'm not mad at'cha. If I were as old, ugly, lonely as you, and had no life outside of this message board (aside from my shit job working as grocery-bag packer) I'd be as angry and as ornery as you.

If I were a day-trader with as little clue about real life as you have, I'd maybe be as arrogant as you are.

Here's hoping your house of cards crumbles, then burns.

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 1:15:14pm

re: #366 beekiller

My dad called him that and he adored him.

Nicknames are fine, i think. I mean really what does it matter?

I could understand dubya, at least. Middle name is W, has the same name as a recent president, gotta call him something. I get it.

But Obango? Who's he been banging?

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:15:26pm

re: #371 scrooster

See, you mistake me for being someone who gives a flying horse $#!+ about the Tea Party. I merely commented that they are part of the cosmic propensity that eventually forces balance from everything. Just as I am here to provide balance to the 100 or so of the far left wingnuts in this community as evidenced by this thread. :) Much like Gordon Geiko's greed - Balance is right, balance works. Balance clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Balance, in all of its forms; balance for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And honestly, balance is never achieved. Thus we have the political swinging and tottering back and forth - and will have forever.

Read more: [Link: www.creditwritedowns.com...]

You're going to balance LGF's by being our resident racist? What did you mean by calling our President "Obango?"

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:15:48pm

re: #372 Gus 802

Dude, that's a low blow.

on his course, that's par.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:16:37pm

re: #272 Reginald Perrin

Maybe where you come from the Tea Party movement is pure as the driven snow, but in the reality based universe it is an astro-turf movement that receives a lot of funding from people like Dick Armey and the Koch brothers.

Oh, so the Tea Party currently has elected officials holding office and voting in Congress? I must have missed that. Matter of fact, just for giggles, is there ia single Tea Party candidate holding office anywhere, doing anything?

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:16:54pm

re: #371 scrooster

See, you mistake me for being someone who gives a flying horse $#!+ about the Tea Party. I merely commented that they are part of the cosmic propensity that eventually forces balance from everything. Just as I am here to provide balance to the 100 or so of the far left wingnuts in this community as evidenced by this thread. :) Much like Gordon Geiko's greed - Balance is right, balance works. Balance clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Balance, in all of its forms; balance for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And honestly, balance is never achieved. Thus we have the political swinging and tottering back and forth - and will have forever.

Read more: [Link: www.creditwritedowns.com...]

Golden Mean Fallacy.

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

Golden Mean Fallacy!

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:16:55pm

re: #373 Cato the Elder

And you are so far out of your league here I doubt you'll last much longer than Scrooster.

I smelled it comin' off you when you first showed up.

Yeah, I got called a "troll" a "stalker" and a "sock puppet" when I first showed up, by a select group of individuals who happen to be particularly territorial when it comes to the LGF boards (interestingly enough, by the more right-wing among you; shocking, I know.)

And yet, at the end of the day, I'm still here.

Walter comes out of nowhere and says, "Fuck you" to me. But it's me that gets taken to task for giving it right back to him. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 1:17:55pm

re: #383 Sigma_x

You could just scroll on by...

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:17:56pm

re: #371 scrooster

I'll be the balance. You keep slurring the president. Just don't pretend to belong to my party while you're at it. You're what's wrong with the right at the moment.

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:04pm

re: #381 scrooster

Oh, so the Tea Party currently has elected officials holding office and voting in Congress? I must have missed that. Matter of fact, just for giggles, is there ia single Tea Party candidate holding office anywhere, doing anything?

Sarah Palin until she quit, right?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:13pm

re: #371 scrooster

So you have no brain, no thoughts, no real position, you just quote people, and are generally contrarian. I think I get it.

I don't expect you to last long.

NOW

What did you mean by "Obango"? What's the purpose of using that term? Please explain in detail we are all highly interested.

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:19pm

re: #382 jamesfirecat

Golden Mean Fallacy.

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

Golden Mean Fallacy!

A TV Tropes link on LGF? You get an upding for that.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:29pm

re: #367 freetoken
in the end prop 13 did not work as well as I would hope. It did leave considerable monies in the hands of property owners to spend, invest or save as they saw fit. And LA would have suffered the consequences of excessive property taxation at the time. Can you calculate the negative effect the higher property taxes would have had on first time home buyers?

The angst we have today is that we want to avoid that misery.

That is so true.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:45pm

re: #279 McSpiff

And the racism starts to come out. Stay classy tea party.

Oh boy ... it's already a racism thing huh? This is going to be fun. :)

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:18:50pm

re: #373 Cato the Elder

Point of order: Some of us enjoy being totally out of our league here. I love being told why I'm wrong, just makes my arguments that much stronger I like to think. At the very least I feel like my grammar is improving.

Now, Sigma's comments to Walter were totally out of line, make no mistake about it.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:19:04pm

re: #209 Ojoe

No they won't.

Check out the Modern Whig Party instead.

I joined.

Of course the GOP won't find its way back to sanity soon. They are about to pick up a lot of seats in November.

This will hardly dissuade them in their move farther to the right and over the cliff. On the contrary, they are likely to be further emboldened and fanatical following midterm victories.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 1:19:41pm

re: #383 Sigma_x

I don't think you're a troll so much as a flaming moron.

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #390 scrooster

Yes. Using racial slurs about the president makes it a racial thing, oddly enough.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:20:23pm

re: #377 Cato the Elder

If I were a day-trader with as little clue about real life as you have, I'd maybe be as arrogant as you are.

Here's hoping your house of cards crumbles, then burns.

I'm supposed to be intimidated by a 108-year old bag-boy and an equally old, delusional creepy pervert who relentlessly spins tall tales about how all the young girls find him irresistible?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:20:25pm

re: #390 scrooster

You made it a racism thing by using a slur, now what did you mean by "Obango" -- what's the purpose of distorting a name that way?

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:20:59pm

re: #390 scrooster

Well what did you mean by your term if not a racist insult? Sure struck me that way.

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:21:00pm

re: #390 scrooster

Oh boy ... it's already a racism thing huh? This is going to be fun. :)

Then explain why you would use a term that is a highly popular racial slur with groups like StormFront... simple question, which you have been asked a number of times, and up to know, seem to refuse to answer.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:21:07pm

re: #283 Thanos

So Rooster -- who do you think you are talking about when you bring up Tea party if you aren't talking about the wing of the tea party I mentioned above? The same old religious right socon shitheads who are going to screw us again if they get elected? The constitution party Tea party whackballs who want theocracy? The birch wing of the Tea party? The Council of Conservative Citizens Tea party? The Neconfederates? The Nativist division?

/as you can see some of the lines get blurry between those divisions, but those groups have all hosted tea parties...

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:21:36pm

re: #226 MandyManners

As the association between Obama and Ayers came to light, it would have helped the senator a little if his friend had at least shown some remorse. But listen to Ayers interviewed in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, of all days: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” Translation: “We meant to kill that judge and his family, not just damage the porch.” When asked by the Times if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don’t want to discount the possibility.”

You do realize that you lost the 2008 election, right?

Maybe you enjoy looking like a cry baby dead-ender.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:21:49pm

re: #399 scrooster

Answer the friggin question everyone's asking you, or are you afraid to?

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:22:44pm

re: #399 scrooster

Why should we be terrified? According to your bunch of freaks, now that Dear Leader is in office, we get to be part of the civilian national defense army that rounds your stupid asses into FEMA camps.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:22:47pm

re: #399 scrooster

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

Yes we're also terrified of Sarah Palin, whatever you do please don't have her run against Obama in 2012!

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 1:22:57pm

re: #399 scrooster

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

He pulls the "sudden realization"!

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McSpiff Sun, May 9, 2010 1:23:25pm

Back in a minute. Dad is cooking lobster and we just realized we don't have rolls! Mother's Day fail.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:24:39pm

re: #404 Nimed

He pulls the "sudden realization"!

yep. i hate it when trolls are boring. it's like flat tonic...spoils the whole drink.

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freetoken Sun, May 9, 2010 1:24:53pm

re: #389 Rightwingconspirator

in the end prop 13 did not work as well as I would hope. It did leave considerable monies in the hands of property owners to spend, invest or save as they saw fit.

Including, among other things, to feed the housing bubble here by bidding up housing prices.

Paying 1% on a $500,000 house here in San Diego (pretty normal price in large swaths nearer the coast) is the same as paying 5% on a $100,000 house in another state, a house built just a well (maybe even better).

Property prices in California are driven by much more than property taxes, of course, but the net result is this: Californians pay low property tax on very expensive property (compared to many other states.)

What drives our budgets out here is a desire to live a lifestyle that is not sustainable.

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freetoken Sun, May 9, 2010 1:26:06pm

Where's DF when we need him - the coals need fired up, I think.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:26:51pm

re: #403 jamesfirecat

Yes we're also terrified of Sarah Palin, whatever you do please don't have her run against Obama in 2012!

LMAO!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:27:28pm

re: #408 freetoken

Where's DF when we need him - the coals need fired up, I think.

We also need Charles to check his IP as much of a pain in the backside as Scrooster is being he hasn't done anything beside disagree with us and common sense, has he?

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:27:31pm

re: #383 Sigma_x

Yeah, I got called a "troll" a "stalker" and a "sock puppet" when I first showed up, by a select group of individuals who happen to be particularly territorial when it comes to the LGF boards (interestingly enough, by the more right-wing among you; shocking, I know.)

And yet, at the end of the day, I'm still here.

Walter comes out of nowhere and says, "Fuck you" to me. But it's me that gets taken to task for giving it right back to him. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

That was the most honest self definition of "cluelessness" that I have ever read... really, you should submit that to the Random House American Dictionary.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:28:32pm

re: #393 Cato the Elder

I don't think you're a troll so much as a flaming moron.

As opposed to you, I suppose? Well, even if I were stupid, what crime is that? You can learn valuable things even from stupid people, you know.

I think it shows a serious lack of character on your part that you'd a) jump to Walter's defense after he was rude in a way that was clearly uncalled for, and b) go about impugning my intelligence simply because I had the audacity to give it back to him in kind.

And it's all because Walter and you have been on the board longer than me, clearly have no life whatsoever outside of this board, are snarlingly territorial when it comes to this board, and you think you can get away with saying whatever you want to whomever you want, simply by virtue of you obsessively posting here and claiming the board as your own... all because you can't make friends out in the real world.

One of these days, you and/or Walter are gonna find yourselves banned from LGF for being such assholes to the new posters. I'd pay good money to see the looks on your aged faces when/if that were to happen (and don't think for a second it can't.)

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:28:38pm

re: #322 Walter L. Newton

What did you mean by "Obango?"

I meant complete and total disrespect. Sounded better than "obango."

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 1:28:44pm

re: #408 freetoken

He's off at a Mother's day lunch. We can use the extra large freezer!

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:29:05pm

re: #410 jamesfirecat

We also need Charles to check his IP as much of a pain in the backside as Scrooster is being he hasn't done anything beside disagree with us and common sense, has he?

disagreeing and not making a lot of sense are one thing...openly slurring the prez is another thing altogether.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:29:21pm

re: #276 scrooster

Do your fellow teabaggers laugh when you refer to the president as "Obango?" They should, it's really fucking clever.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:29:47pm

re: #324 Gus 802

No. Scrooster used "Obango" in reference to the Obama administration. And as I already posted it is also used to reference Obama at Stormfront.

Look, I didn't even know what "stormfront" was until this very moment. So don't try that bravo sierra.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:30:39pm

re: #110 Gus 802

Did it? Is this the first time we had an Army contingent show up at Red Square?

I don't know, but it absolutely outraged a number of people here, who just felt sick at the thought of American troops parading past Lenin.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:30:48pm

re: #417 scrooster

Look, I didn't even know what "stormfront" was until this very moment. So don't try that bravo sierra.

Obviously you hadn't been reading this board for that long before you decided to register then...

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:20pm

re: #413 scrooster

Lack of respect how? We asked for details, why pick that particular term, why do you think it is disrespectful?

Don't be a coward here, explain why you think it's disrespectful.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:32pm

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know, but it absolutely outraged a number of people here, who just felt sick at the thought of American troops parading past Lenin.

Just wait till you see what happens if America ever invites Russian troops to help celebrate our victory in World War 2 in DC.....

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dugmartsch Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:38pm

re: #399 scrooster

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

LGF is now the far left. Huh?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:45pm

re: #417 scrooster

Bullshit

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:46pm

re: #417 scrooster

If the shoe fits, wear it.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:56pm

re: #417 scrooster

Look, I didn't even know what "stormfront" was until this very moment. So don't try that bravo sierra.

Bravo Sierra?!

Mountain Range Congratulations?

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Walter L. Newton Sun, May 9, 2010 1:31:56pm

I have to get off to my shit job working as grocery cashier. See you all later.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:32:07pm

Rondo just drove with no fear against LeBron. 170 lbs against, what 290?

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:32:39pm

re: #415 Aceofwhat?

disagreeing and not making a lot of sense are one thing...openly slurring the prez is another thing altogether.

What can I say, I'm a catnip smoking dorm dwelling liberal I like to think the best of everyone and would rather keep this guy around for target practice until he unquestionably f***s up.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:32:45pm

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

Be well Walter.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:32:54pm

So please explain SC we are waiting

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:33:26pm

re: #410 jamesfirecat

We also need Charles to check his IP as much of a pain in the backside as Scrooster is being he hasn't done anything beside disagree with us and common sense, has he?

I'm sure he'll be concerned with racist terms being left on his site. LGF has ideological brawls all the time but members don't use terms common on Stormfront/Free Republic/HotAir.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:33:27pm

re: #399 scrooster

One day, and know how to post an avatar? Wow, that's impressive.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:33:40pm

re: #298 scrooster

It's not the form of your cut and paste that's the problem, it's the substance. If you're just going to puke up lying incoherent editorials from right-wing sites, you won't find much interest here.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:33:46pm

re: #410 jamesfirecat

Your post has been recommended.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:34:04pm

re: #325 beekiller

I couldn't stand Bush but I never called him anything but President Bush the entire 8 years he was our President. Respect for the office...

Horse crap. Horse frakken crap. Respect for the office of what? Since when? The last thing anyone in this country has anymore is respect for the office of the President of the United States ... and no one has in years. What a joke. Respect for the office went out the window with Bush, Sr's "read my lips," Slick Willy's lip service received hummer and definition of the word "is," and Dubya's flight deck announcement that the war was won.

Respect for the office of the presidency of the US? Screw'em all. I'll show respect when they do something to earn respect for a change. It need not be left or right, just be frakken honest and do wtf you say you are going to do.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:35:17pm

re: #155 MandyManners

Ayer's position on the American flag.

I'd be more interested in Ayers' past--although God knows, I don't think there's anything left I don't know--if we could find just one person on LGF who has a nice word to say about the man.

No one likes him. Let's mosey along.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:35:28pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rondo just drove with no fear against LeBron. 170 lbs against, what 290?

260. still, gutsy.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:35:43pm

re: #157 Gus 802

Nothing in President Obama's policies remotely approaches Ayers's philosophy. Although, I have pointed out before that Ayers shared a table with many people including some Republicans while at Annenberg.

My God!! Who were they!! I have to know, so I can mention Ayers every time they come up!!

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:35:51pm

re: #427 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rondo just drove with no fear against LeBron. 170 lbs against, what 290?

6'1" 171lbs

6'8" 250lbs.

Brave, IMO.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:35:52pm

re: #435 scrooster

We are still waiting to know why you think that term is disrespectful, you going to continue your blatant cowardice or are you going to illuminate us all?

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:36:12pm

re: #435 scrooster

Horse crap. Horse frakken crap. Respect for the office of what? Since when? The last thing anyone in this country has anymore is respect for the office of the President of the United States ... and no one has in years. What a joke. Respect for the office went out the window with Bush, Sr's "read my lips," Slick Willy's lip service received hummer and definition of the word "is," and Dubya's flight deck announcement that the war was won.

Respect for the office of the presidency of the US? Screw'em all. I'll show respect when they do something to earn respect for a change. It need not be left or right, just be frakken honest and do wtf you say you are going to do.

So in other words, the last president you respected was Reagan...

Color me surprised.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:37:21pm

re: #435 scrooster

It's scrooster against the world! Or in this case it's scrooster against Little Green Footballs. What the hell did you come here for anyway. It's pretty obvious that you're trolling. You don't even have the decency of adhering to common internet protocol as noob. You simply signed up to stir up shit.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:37:55pm

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

As I understand it, in the Alternative Universe of the American Conservative, it is not because Bennett wasn't conservative enough.

Really. That's what I'm reading.

The argument is that he wasn't activist enough. I quote, 'despite coming from one of the reddest states in the country, he was never a leading light for conservatism. ... I almost never saw Bennett out there in front of an issue - making a powerful case for conservative policies and castigating liberal ones...'

Emphasis mine. That's why he's out. He didn't make enough big statements. He didn't hate liberals enough. He didn't publicly attack liberals enough. He was only a reasonably reliable vote. That's not enough any more - it's not enough for the modern Conservative to simply vote your beliefs or represent values, you must also actively war against the other side.

It is the only principle that matters to the modern Conservative cult. All of the rest - small government, low taxes, freedom of markets and individuals - are catchphrases at best, and negotiable principles more often than not. The only thing that matters is how much you hate 'liberals', and how much they hate you. Uphold that principle, and the Tea Party will vote for you every time.

Poor Bob Bennett--serving the people of Utah may have been what he was elected for, but by God, it wasn't enough.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:38:26pm

re: #441 jamesfirecat

So in other words, the last president you respected was Reagan...

Color me surprised.

I'll admit I was pretty disrespectful toward Clinton. I've given our current President a heap more respect than I gave to President Clinton.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:39:34pm

SC, you aren't a rooster, you are a chicken.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:39:52pm

re: #426 Walter L. Newton

I have to get off to my shit job working as grocery cashier. See you all later.

See, it'd be so easy for me to come after you; it'd be so easy for me to ask - in a rhetorical fashion, of course - why it is that, at your advanced age, you're can only find work as a grocery store cashier, if you're so much smarter than me? Why it is your writing isn't going anywhere, despite the years and years of work you've put into it? Why you spend every second of every day you're not working your shit job as a grocery store clerk socializing with a bunch of complete strangers on the internet, relentlessly, obsessively posting on this board, rather than spending time with friends out in the real world?

But I got too much class for that.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:39:58pm

re: #435 scrooster

Horse crap. Horse frakken crap. Respect for the office of what? Since when? The last thing anyone in this country has anymore is respect for the office of the President of the United States ... and no one has in years. What a joke. Respect for the office went out the window with Bush, Sr's "read my lips," Slick Willy's lip service received hummer and definition of the word "is," and Dubya's flight deck announcement that the war was won.

Respect for the office of the presidency of the US? Screw'em all. I'll show respect when they do something to earn respect for a change. It need not be left or right, just be frakken honest and do wtf you say you are going to do.

How old are you?

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:40:28pm

re: #340 jamesfirecat

Dude you've said he's taken action that is of the far left, but you haven't told me what actions those are.

Please explain what actions he's taken have been of the far left and stop dodging my question.

Dude ... you cannot be that dense? You want examples of far left wing socialist liberal action? Well, off the top of my head I would offer:

1) Socialized health care and the eventual government takeover of the health care system.
2) The hiring of, and surrounding himself with, well known socialists - even admitted socialists.
3) The catering to the socialist unions, complete with sweetheart deals and special favors.
4) The government takeover of the banking system.
5) Obama's call for the redistribution of wealth in this country.

Shall I continue?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:40:32pm

re: #445 Thanos

Oh! South Carolina Rooster... my head was reading it like "screwster"...
or "Punky Brewster"

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:40:41pm

re: #207 Lidane

I love how the heavily Republican Annenberg family suddenly became a bunch of anti-American left wing yahoos who fund radical leftist projects during the 2008 election.

That will never not be funny to me.

I just hope it was funny to them. That kind of thing can really mess with a person's sense of self.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:40:59pm

re: #447 beekiller

Perhaps close in age to a Young ... nah...

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:41:23pm

re: #448 scrooster

No, just answer the question that everyone's been asking you all thread in detail you coward.

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Political Atheist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:41:42pm

re: #451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Very different phraseology imo. Nah. 'nother one.

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Henchman 25 Sun, May 9, 2010 1:42:01pm

re: #448 scrooster

Get new memes, please. Preferably ones that haven't already been thoroughly debunked.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:42:07pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

My God!! Who were they!! I have to know, so I can mention Ayers every time they come up!!

There was a) former Governor Jim Edgar (R-IL), b) Walter Annenberg (who was a Republican) and c) Arnold R. Weber ("appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon as executive director of the Cost of Living Council and who later was tapped by Republican President Ronald Reagan to serve on an emergency labor board. More recently, Weber has given $1,500 to John McCain's presidential campaign this year."

More here.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:42:57pm

re: #230 Lidane

Ayers didn't mean shit in 2008, and he means even less in 2010.

The only thing that matters anymore is Obama's performance as President. Period.

But Obama is failing to do anything really scary. We gotta fill in for him somehow.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:43:26pm

re: #448 scrooster

Dude ... you cannot be that dense? You want examples of far left wing socialist liberal action? Well, off the top of my head I would offer:

1) Socialized health care and the eventual government takeover of the health care system.
2) The hiring of, and surrounding himself with, well known socialists - even admitted socialists.
3) The catering to the socialist unions, complete with sweetheart deals and special favors.
4) The government takeover of the banking system.
5) Obama's call for the redistribution of wealth in this country.

Shall I continue?

How has Obama socialized healthcare exactly? He didn't even give us a public option let alone force all the other companies out of business!

Which socialist unions are you talking about (are their non socialist unions?) and how has he been catering to them exactly?

I recall Obama saying he wanted to spread the wealth around, what has he done to actually live up to those words in a hard left fashion?

There's a difference between taxing rich people and socialism....

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:43:33pm

re: #324 Gus 802

No. Scrooster used "Obango" in reference to the Obama administration. And as I already posted it is also used to reference Obama at Stormfront.

Based on his use of "Obango" for the president, Screwloose is really gonna love this: 83 percent of the U.S. population growth since 2000 was minority, part of a trend that will see minorities become the majority by midcentury.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:43:35pm

Radioactive Water in New Jersey:

LACEY TOWNSHIP, N.J. — Radioactive water that leaked from the nation’s oldest nuclear power plant has now reached a major underground aquifer that supplies drinking water to much of southern New Jersey, the state’s environmental chief said Friday.

So let's build more!

We could engage in all kinds of efforts to make nuclear energy safer and to regulate the industry. But those safety measures are just one bad election away from being stripped out in a wave of deregulation and, for lack of a better term, Cheneyism. We're gonna make energy cheaper!

Why do the Democrats want to raise your energy prices! LOUD NOISES!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:46:00pm

re: #247 Bobibutu

I'm curious then. Would it be OK with you for Ayers to have trained your kids teachers how and what to teach? Assuming you have children or grandchildren.

Because, you know, teachers are a pack of blooming idiots, unguided by anyone but some ancient asshole teaching theory of revolution.

We have no other teachers. We have no college degrees, nor brains. When we arrive in the classroom we have no responsibility to the curriculum, the state standards, the principal, or the parents.

We just roll up our sleeves and spend all fucking day teaching the radical dribblings of that dude from U. Illinois.

Because teachers are just dumb as dirt.

//Vay's mir.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:46:40pm

re: #249 Thanos

I guess it's the first "victory" the tea partiers can claim, and I doubt they would have gotten this in a real election; any news on whether Bennett will go I or not?

Well, they claimed Scott Brown. Who is now suggesting that you can have your citizenship stripped for getting arrested on the wrong charges.

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 1:47:11pm

re: #446 Sigma_x

See, it'd be so easy for me to come after you; it'd be so easy for me to ask - in a rhetorical fashion, of course - why it is that, at your advanced age, you're can only find work as a grocery store cashier, if you're so much smarter than me? Why it is your writing isn't going anywhere, despite the years and years of work you've put into it? Why you spend every second of every day you're not working your shit job as a grocery store clerk socializing with a bunch of complete strangers on the internet, relentlessly, obsessively posting on this board, rather than spending time with friends out in the real world?

But I got too much class for that.

Dude, seriously, you're now officially being more annoying than scrooster. In what world does a "fuck you" warrant the kind of personal invective that you spouted in 362?

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 1:47:33pm

re: #446 Sigma_x

But I got too much class for that.

Apparently not.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:47:51pm

re: #256 jvic

I have nothing against Walter Annenberg and his family.

One word, one proper noun: Gramsci.

Oh, to hell with Gramsci. Two people even remember who the hell he was. Old-school commies, and the wingnuts who KNOW THE TRUTH.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:48:07pm

re: #379 Walter L. Newton

You're going to balance LGF's by being our resident racist? What did you mean by calling our President "Obango?"

!
*&*)(*(*&! ^* )(*&! (*& (*&! How many times are you going to ask that you impatient ... nevermind. I answered you somewhere in here - find it for yourself Walter.

Why the fawk does everything have to be about racism? Talk about the same old same old bravo sierra. "Obango" has nothing, nothing to do with racism and I don't have to justify that to you. Don't ask me again.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:48:11pm

re: #328 scrooster

Because there are extremes that are measured by action, word and deed. Obama has, consistently, taken action, spoken words and done deeds which are indicative of the far left although, admittedly, he saved the words until after he was elected. Prior to being elected, immediately prior to being elected, you would have thought he was the most center-of-the road moderate liberal SOB to have ever walked the face of the earth. It's part of his charm, how he lies with such a straight face and smooth delivery. He is the master of deception, that I'll give him.

This is probably the biggest fallacy regarding Obama. His policies on Iraq, Afghanistan, bailouts, gay rights, HCR public option, etc. are clearly not far left.

But the right has their talking points, and will continue to spew them regardless of facts. When he nominates the centrist Elena Kagan to the SC in a few days, her record will be ignored completely in favor of spin that she's the second coming of Emma Goldman.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:49:01pm

I'm taking my nieces to the park. Have a good afternoon, Lizards!

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:49:12pm

re: #459 Sigma_x

It's just heavy water, get real. You have some in you right now. It's found in the ocean and other places, it's everywhere, and the "RADIATION!" isnt' strong enough to penetrate your skin. To cause harm to yourself with it you have to drink a lot of it constantly for a couple of eternities.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:49:20pm

re: #270 McSpiff

I'm probably one of the closet to my adolescence years here. So allow me to do the honors.

Go troll your worn out, debunked, idiotic Obama slurs somewhere else you tea bagging wingnut.

Cool?

Great! When we have our online seder next year, you can say the Fir Kashes.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 1:49:48pm

re: #465 scrooster

!
*&*)(*(*&! ^* )(*&! (*& (*&! How many times are you going to ask that you impatient ... nevermind. I answered you somewhere in here - find it for yourself Walter.

Why the fawk does everything have to be about racism? Talk about the same old same old bravo sierra. "Obango" has nothing, nothing to do with racism and I don't have to justify that to you. Don't ask me again.

Yes calling our half black president by an overly Africanized version of his name has nothing to do with racism and in turn we all are racists for suggesting it does!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:49:59pm

re: #274 Ojoe

We shall see.

I've sworn off voting for D or R, except in extreme emergency.

What would a hypothetical emergency of that nature look like? Just curious.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:50:12pm

re: #352 Ojoe

The far left can't stand Obama, actually.

They feel very let down by him.

Which should be a sign that he's actually doing what he said he would--governing as a Democratic centrist.

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PhillyPretzel Sun, May 9, 2010 1:50:21pm

re: #467 beekiller
Have a good afternoon. I think I am going to head over to America's Test Kitchen.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:50:28pm

re: #386 dugmartsch

Sarah Palin until she quit, right?

I asked, "holding office now." The Tea Party was not even around when Palin was in office.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:50:54pm

re: #462 Nimed

Dude, seriously, you're now officially being more annoying than scrooster. In what world does a "fuck you" warrant the kind of personal invective that you spouted in 362?

Ahhh, it goes back a ways with me and Walter. Since the day I came on this board I've gotten nothing but unwarranted attacks from him; totally uncalled for insults and derisive comments, etc. etc.

You're a little late to the game. I can see how, if you just read those posts - Walter saying, "fuck you" to me out of nowhere and for no reason - and me responding the way I did, you'd think I was over the top with my response.

But that dude has had that coming for a long time now. I'm sick to death of, every time I post something, him coming after me in that fashion simply because I'm a new poster and he thinks he can treat me anyway he wants; like this was a frat-house and I was a pledge.

I just got sick of it, is all. As I think just about anyone would've.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:51:27pm

re: #289 Ojoe

For very far left listen to Pacifica Radio & Amy Goodman.

Oh they're not even THAT far. The FAR left is farther left than that.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 1:51:29pm

re: #465 scrooster

!
*&*)(*(*&! ^* )(*&! (*& (*&! How many times are you going to ask that you impatient ... nevermind. I answered you somewhere in here - find it for yourself Walter.

Why the fawk does everything have to be about racism? Talk about the same old same old bravo sierra. "Obango" has nothing, nothing to do with racism and I don't have to justify that to you. Don't ask me again.

You're a troll and an ass. You obviously came here to troll and contribute nothing to LGF. Buzz off.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:51:55pm

re: #394 McSpiff

Yes. Using racial slurs about the president makes it a racial thing, oddly enough.

obango is a racial slur? How so if you do not mind me asking?

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 1:51:59pm

re: #448 scrooster

Dude ... you cannot be that dense? You want examples of far left wing socialist liberal action? Well, off the top of my head I would offer:

1) Socialized health care and the eventual government takeover of the health care system.
2) The hiring of, and surrounding himself with, well known socialists - even admitted socialists.
3) The catering to the socialist unions, complete with sweetheart deals and special favors.
4) The government takeover of the banking system.
5) Obama's call for the redistribution of wealth in this country.

Shall I continue?

You use this word a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 9, 2010 1:52:50pm

Celtics doing a nice job in the first half, leading the Cavs by 9 at halftime ...

Go Celtics

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:53:35pm

re: #312 Gus 802

Speaking of racism. The name "Obango" is very popular at Stormfront.

Is that pronounced Oh-bane-go or O-bonn-go?

/Why do I care?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:54:29pm

re: #478 scrooster

Please first explain why you think it's disrespectful, we've been waiting to hear.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:54:34pm

re: #468 Thanos

It's just heavy water, get real. You have some in you right now. It's found in the ocean and other places, it's everywhere, and the "RADIATION!" isnt' strong enough to penetrate your skin. To cause harm to yourself with it you have to drink a lot of it constantly for a couple of eternities.

yep. and dude thinks it's the republicans' fault we don't have more nuclear power. NIMBY, anyone? going once...going twice...

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:54:37pm

re: #318 beekiller

I've never heard of them. I'll google them.

They're local to me.

One of their volunteers bit a cop a couple of years ago, but she was pregnant (the biter, not the cop), and I figure that allowances need to be made.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 1:54:44pm

re: #399 scrooster

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

Yes, we are terrified of monochromatic fascism and revanchist populism, as represented by the baggers. Though most of the commenters here hardly qualify as far left.

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reloadingisnotahobby Sun, May 9, 2010 1:55:04pm

I was going to hop in here and say hi to my friends ....
My reflexes not being what they used to be I think I'll
back out of the room slooowly with my hands in view....
In Walters defense ...he does have friends....LOTS!

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:55:06pm

re: #468 Thanos

It's just heavy water, get real. You have some in you right now. It's found in the ocean and other places, it's everywhere, and the "RADIATION!" isnt' strong enough to penetrate your skin. To cause harm to yourself with it you have to drink a lot of it constantly for a couple of eternities.

It'stritium leaking into the water, and that is something you don't want to be drinking.

So you just came out of nowhere and decided all on your own that it was Heavy Water? That's a pretty neat trick.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:55:35pm

21 comments and it's closing fast with a negative 200 karma...

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:55:38pm

re: #325 beekiller

I couldn't stand Bush but I never called him anything but President Bush the entire 8 years he was our President. Respect for the office...

I admit that I sometimes called him Shrub, but only when I was feeling warmly toward him.

When I was mad at him it was "President Bush".

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:56:07pm

re: #328 scrooster

Because there are extremes that are measured by action, word and deed. Obama has, consistently, taken action, spoken words and done deeds which are indicative of the far left although, admittedly, he saved the words until after he was elected. Prior to being elected, immediately prior to being elected, you would have thought he was the most center-of-the road moderate liberal SOB to have ever walked the face of the earth. It's part of his charm, how he lies with such a straight face and smooth delivery. He is the master of deception, that I'll give him.

Really? What are some of the words he's used since being elected?

You moron.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 1:56:56pm

re: #468 Thanos

It's just heavy water, get real. You have some in you right now. It's found in the ocean and other places, it's everywhere, and the "RADIATION!" isnt' strong enough to penetrate your skin. To cause harm to yourself with it you have to drink a lot of it constantly for a couple of eternities.

Tritium Health Risks...

"Tritium is relatively similar to hydrogen, which makes it bind to OH as tritiated water (HTO), and that it can make organic bonds (OBT) easily. The HTO and the OBT are easily ingested by drinking, through organic or water-containing foodstuffs. As tritium is not a strong beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally, but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food, water, or absorbed through the skin.[13][14][15][16] HTO has a short biological half life in the human body of 7 to 14 days which both reduces the total effects of single-incident ingestion and precludes long-term bioaccumulation of HTO from the environment."

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 1:57:03pm

re: #398 Walter L. Newton

Then explain why you would use a term that is a highly popular racial slur with groups like StormFront... simple question, which you have been asked a number of times, and up to know, seem to refuse to answer.

I could swear I already answered this somewhere ... but, here goes again.

Out of disrespect. Because we are limited to things that roll off of the tongue when it comes to our current president. I mean, we don't really have a "slick willy" or "dubya" moniker we might pin on him now do we? Care to offer one more appropriate Walter? I mean, tell me one derogatory term we might be allowed to use on our first black president that will not be considered racist ..... please.

I do believe that we are witnessing part of the major problem with our current president ... he is untouchable, simply because he is black. And black don't mean $#!+ to me (pardon the vernacular), just as white does not, red does not, yellow does not and brown does not. I am an equal opportunity demander of honesty and integrity when it comes to our office of the President of the United States ... and I've served and fought for that right.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 9, 2010 1:57:21pm

re: #478 scrooster

obango is a racial slur? How so if you do not mind me asking?

Why don't you first tell us where you heard that name and why you use it.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:57:42pm

re: #467 beekiller

I'm taking my nieces to the park. Have a good afternoon, Lizards!

Poison some pigeons. Show them how it's done.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 1:58:08pm

re: #480 _RememberTonyC

Celtics doing a nice job in the first half, leading the Cavs by 9 at halftime ...

Go Celtics

been a fun game...celts are +8 in rebounds, Cavs are shooting 36%, and only down by nine points.

we have the Celtics right where we want them...

go Cavs!

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 1:58:14pm

re: #476 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh they're not even THAT far. The FAR left is farther left than that.

Alexander Cockburn, Leonard Peltier, Noam Chomsky, Ward Churchill, etc. Most are unknown.

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Vicious Babushka Sun, May 9, 2010 1:58:21pm

Gamy buttocks would be a nice Mother's Day treat.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:58:31pm

re: #352 Ojoe

The far left can't stand Obama, actually.

They feel very let down by him.

Their own damn fault. They saw what they wanted to see.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 1:58:59pm

re: #487 Sigma_x

It'stritium leaking into the water, and that is something you don't want to be drinking.

So you just came out of nowhere and decided all on your own that it was Heavy Water? That's a pretty neat trick.

It's still pretty fricking harmless, whether deut or trit it's not pure TRITIUM! it's Tritiated water, there's a big difference. Get a clue.

Tritiated water can be used to measure the total volume of water in one's body. Tritiated water distributes itself into all body compartments relatively quickly. The concentration of tritiated water in urine is assumed to be similar to the concentration of tritiated water in the body. Knowing the original amount of tritiated water that was ingested and the concentration, one can calculate the volume of water in the body.
* Amount of tritiated water (mg) = Concentration of tritiated water (mg/ml) x Volume of body water (ml)

* Volume of body water (ml) = [Amount of tritiated water (mg) - Amount excreted (mg)] / Concentration of tritiated water (mg/ml)

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 1:59:21pm

re: #371 scrooster

See, you mistake me for being someone who gives a flying horse $#!+ about the Tea Party. I merely commented that they are part of the cosmic propensity that eventually forces balance from everything. Just as I am here to provide balance to the 100 or so of the far left wingnuts in this community as evidenced by this thread. :) Much like Gordon Geiko's greed - Balance is right, balance works. Balance clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Balance, in all of its forms; balance for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And honestly, balance is never achieved. Thus we have the political swinging and tottering back and forth - and will have forever.

Read more: [Link: www.creditwritedowns.com...]

Gekko. Gordon Gekko. For God's sake, get it right!!

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 1:59:39pm

re: #493 Alouette

He has a hard time being honest.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 9, 2010 1:59:43pm

re: #495 Aceofwhat?

been a fun game...celts are +8 in rebounds, Cavs are shooting 36%, and only down by nine points.

we have the Celtics right where we want them...

go Cavs!

In the spirit of sportsmanship, I will NOT down ding that comment. see what a good example we are setting for the others on the playground ...

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 1:59:49pm

Sigma? Howabout windfarms. How do you feel about windfarms?

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 2:00:27pm

re: #502 _RememberTonyC

Celtics fan, and gave that an upding... thought it was clever.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, May 9, 2010 2:00:38pm

re: #492 scrooster

and I've served and fought for that right.

Perhaps. But you're still a racist troll and a disgrace to the wings in your avatar.

Fire up the grill. I want some grilled corn along with this troll.

William

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:00:42pm

re: #491 Sigma_x

It's tritiated water, not TRITIUm, you are not breathing it. Even ingested the health risks are relatively minor, and you also have tritium in YOU RIGHT NOW!

/ZOMG!!!!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:00:50pm

re: #402 McSpiff

Why should we be terrified? According to your bunch of freaks, now that Dear Leader is in office, we get to be part of the civilian national defense army that rounds your stupid asses into FEMA camps.

LOL!!

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bratwurst Sun, May 9, 2010 2:01:01pm

How much do you want to bet this is going to be one of those "I made a bet with a friend that I could drive lizards into forming a lynch mob...shame on all of you for proving me right...blah blah blah" kind of things?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:01:05pm

re: #403 jamesfirecat

Yes we're also terrified of Sarah Palin, whatever you do please don't have her run against Obama in 2012!

And whatever you do, do NOT throw me in the briar patch.

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_RememberTonyC Sun, May 9, 2010 2:01:18pm

re: #504 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Celtics fan, and gave that an upding... thought it was clever.

i knew i liked you ...

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:01:39pm

re: #408 freetoken

Where's DF when we need him - the coals need fired up, I think.

DF is visiting his mother, like a normal person. Anyone else got a grill?

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:01:57pm

re: #448 scrooster

Dude ... you cannot be that dense? You want examples of far left wing socialist liberal action? Well, off the top of my head I would offer:

1) Socialized health care and the eventual government takeover of the health care system.
2) The hiring of, and surrounding himself with, well known socialists - even admitted socialists.
3) The catering to the socialist unions, complete with sweetheart deals and special favors.
4) The government takeover of the banking system.
5) Obama's call for the redistribution of wealth in this country.

Shall I continue?

#4 was started by a Republican president. #1 was actually originally dreamt up and put in place by Republicans (Dole and Romney).

The rest are major distortions. You're so full of shit you don't even realize how closed off your information bubble is.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:02:15pm

re: #413 scrooster

I meant complete and total disrespect. Sounded better than "obango."

Why is "Obango" disrespectful? Explain.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 2:02:41pm

re: #474 scrooster

I asked, "holding office now." The Tea Party was not even around when Palin was in office.

Now you are being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, there hasn't been an election since the Tea party movement was founded.
However that said, there are dozens of Republicans holding office who are pandering to the T P, but using your standard we are not allowed to include them.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:03:08pm

re: #441 jamesfirecat

So in other words, the last president you respected was Reagan...

Color me surprised.

Yeah, but then again, I enlisted under Carter and served under Reagan. It was fairly apparent to me which one of them know what the hell they were doing. I voted for Carter - that was a mistake I vowed to never make again.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:04:00pm

re: #508 bratwurst

How much do you want to bet this is going to be one of those "I made a bet with a friend that I could drive lizards into forming a lynch mob...shame on all of you for proving me right...blah blah blah" kind of things?

Can we please keep this one? We could build a thick plexiglas dome, with electric locks, and negative air. I never get to see one up close.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:04:03pm

re: #499 Thanos

So fuck it, right? Lets just let babies and old people drink it whether they like it or not. All so the nuclear power industry's profits aren't hampered by too much regulation.

This isn't even about my being in opposition to building any more nuclear power plants - I'm all for it. It's the old ones I'm worried about, and the right wants to leave things just the way they are, all in the name of free-markets and lashing out against some vague threat of "too much government."

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the GOP has become a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America, and it's time we stopped pretending they're an honest player in any debate. If the right had their way, these old nuclear power plants would go right on polluting the shit out of South Jersey's drinking water. To what end?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:04:09pm

re: #513 SanFranciscoZionist

Why is "Obango" disrespectful? Explain.

He's not going to, unlike many southern gentlemen this guy's a cowardly turd who can't hold up his end of a debate without cut n' pastes from wingnut forums.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:04:53pm

re: #474 scrooster

I asked, "holding office now." The Tea Party was not even around when Palin was in office.

Wrong, tea party started in 2008 to protest bailouts, then gained steam after Obama's election. Palin left in summer of 2009.

Are you EVER not wrong?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:06:16pm

re: #455 Gus 802

There was a) former Governor Jim Edgar (R-IL), b) Walter Annenberg (who was a Republican) and c) Arnold R. Weber ("appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon as executive director of the Cost of Living Council and who later was tapped by Republican President Ronald Reagan to serve on an emergency labor board. More recently, Weber has given $1,500 to John McCain's presidential campaign this year."

More here.

A dank.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:07:05pm

re: #512 palomino

#4 was started by a Republican president. #1 was actually originally dreamt up and put in place by Republicans (Dole and Romney).

The rest are major distortions. You're so full of shit you don't even realize how closed off your information bubble is.

No, don't you see? It was Obama who took over the banks in the U.S., even though it was Bush and Paulson who pushed that one through. You're not allowed to even mention anything Bush did. Otherwise we're "blaming" it all on him and we need to get over the past. Or something like that.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 2:07:11pm

re: #515 scrooster

I actually agree with you on some of you on some things, but you're kind of being a dick about it. And not in a good Cheney way.

But you're not here to please me. So, go ahead.

Enjoy your ostracism.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:07:40pm

re: #466 palomino

This is probably the biggest fallacy regarding Obama. His policies on Iraq, Afghanistan, bailouts, gay rights, HCR public option, etc. are clearly not far left.

That is true - certainly cannot argue with you there.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:09:36pm

re: #517 Sigma_x

When was that NJ plant built? Was the congress Republican when it was authorized or was it DEM?

Was AL Gore and his dad elected by Coal and Coal Union money, or not?

Was Tipper out to censor Rock and Roll?

Think again before you condemn the Republicans for that crap, or corporations for that matter.

How many people actually died the past few weeks due to coal and oil? Could they meet the regs that nuclear plants consistently do nowadays?

How bout that Gulf thing? How bout that radioactive coal ash that's MUCH More harmful to babies that's already in the ground water all over the southern states?

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:09:39pm

re: #470 jamesfirecat

Yes calling our half black president by an overly Africanized version of his name has nothing to do with racism and in turn we all are racists for suggesting it does!

Yeah that's right. And had I wanted to refer to our half black president by an overly africanized name I would have simply referred to him as "Obama." Get a life. When are you left wingnuts going to quit playing the racism card?

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:10:07pm

The Dome Didn't Work...

"Officials for BP on Saturday encountered a significant setback in their efforts to attach a containment dome over a leaking well on the seabed of the Gulf of Mexico, forcing them to move the dome aside while they find another method to cap the crude oil flowing into the Gulf since April 20.
Officials discovered that gas hydrates, ice-like crystals lighter than water, had built up inside the 100-ton metal container. The hydrates threatened to make the dome buoyant, and they also plugged up the top of the dome, preventing it from being effective.

“I wouldn’t say it has failed yet,” Doug Suttles, BP’s chief operating officer, said at a news conference in Robert, La. “What we attempted to do last night hasn’t worked.”

Meanwhile, they continue to dig the relief well -- a process that could take months.

Why hasn't President Obama piloted a diving bell to the dome and personally scraped the gas hydrates from the inside of the dome?!! Why can't he close the deal?! This is Obama's Katrina!! He actually let the eco-terrorists sabotage the rig!!! Impeach him!!!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:10:37pm

re: #465 scrooster

!
*&*)(*(*&! ^* )(*&! (*& (*&! How many times are you going to ask that you impatient ... nevermind. I answered you somewhere in here - find it for yourself Walter.

Why the fawk does everything have to be about racism? Talk about the same old same old bravo sierra. "Obango" has nothing, nothing to do with racism and I don't have to justify that to you. Don't ask me again.

Oh, I'm going to ask again, because if there was an innocent explanation for "Obango", I assume we'd have heard it by now.

Explain. Why do you call the president that? See, I called President Bush 'Shrub' because it was a funny on his name, and people called him 'Dubya', because his middle initial was W. and it distinguished him from his dad, and people called Clinton 'Bubba', because he was a good ol' boy from Arkansas.

Reagan was the Gipper, but I don't know if Bush Sr. was ever cool enough to have a nickname.

Anyway, I can explain all those presidential nicknames, so please, explain yours.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:10:43pm

re: #519 palomino

Wrong, tea party started in 2008 to protest bailouts, then gained steam after Obama's election. Palin left in summer of 2009.

Are you EVER not wrong?

And that's not counting the Ron Paul tributary that was using the meme a year or two earlier. The TP stream has a lot of feeders.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:10:49pm

re: #516 Decatur Deb

Can we please keep this one? We could build a thick plexiglas dome, with electric locks, and negative air. I never get to see one up close.

I will pet him and stroke him and call him George!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:11:03pm

re: #466 palomino

This is probably the biggest fallacy regarding Obama. His policies on Iraq, Afghanistan, bailouts, gay rights, HCR public option, etc. are clearly not far left.

But the right has their talking points, and will continue to spew them regardless of facts. When he nominates the centrist Elena Kagan to the SC in a few days, her record will be ignored completely in favor of spin that she's the second coming of Emma Goldman.

Now, Emma Goldman on the Supreme Court would have been fun.

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 2:11:07pm

re: #515 scrooster

Yeah, but then again, I enlisted under Carter and served under Reagan. It was fairly apparent to me which one of them know what the hell they were doing. I voted for Carter - that was a mistake I vowed to never make again.

So that's what you meant by balance. You're trying to compensate for all the people in LGF who are supporting a Carter candidacy in 2012.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:11:33pm

re: #479 Renaissance_Man

You use this word a lot. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Perhaps not - by all means and if you have the time, please define "the word" for me.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:11:33pm

re: #472 palomino

Which should be a sign that he's actually doing what he said he would--governing as a Democratic centrist.

My God, he's boring.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:12:20pm

re: #478 scrooster

obango is a racial slur? How so if you do not mind me asking?

We'll tell you, if you'll explain what it meant to you when you used it.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:14:01pm

re: #521 Sigma_x

No, don't you see? It was Obama who took over the banks in the U.S., even though it was Bush and Paulson who pushed that one through. You're not allowed to even mention anything Bush did. Otherwise we're "blaming" it all on him and we need to get over the past. Or something like that.

If we can't mention Bush, then I guess we need to stop talking about Iraq, Afghanistan and immigration reform as well.

Obama's continuation of Bush policies is actually one of the best ways to counter the "Obama is a dangerous radical" meme. Unfortunately the far right acts like Bush never existed, except when attempting to turn an oil spill into a hurricane by calling last week "Obama's Katrina."

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:14:15pm

re: #492 scrooster

I could swear I already answered this somewhere ... but, here goes again.

Out of disrespect. Because we are limited to things that roll off of the tongue when it comes to our current president. I mean, we don't really have a "slick willy" or "dubya" moniker we might pin on him now do we? Care to offer one more appropriate Walter? I mean, tell me one derogatory term we might be allowed to use on our first black president that will not be considered racist ... please.

I do believe that we are witnessing part of the major problem with our current president ... he is untouchable, simply because he is black. And black don't mean $#!+ to me (pardon the vernacular), just as white does not, red does not, yellow does not and brown does not. I am an equal opportunity demander of honesty and integrity when it comes to our office of the President of the United States ... and I've served and fought for that right.

FAIL.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:14:46pm

re: #482 Thanos

Please first explain why you think it's disrespectful, we've been waiting to hear.

Thanango ... will you just stfu? I'm not going to answer your stupid @$$ so quit wasting bandwidth and your time. There are some a$$holes around here, no doubt about it. But who knows, I might learn something from some of them over time. But you, you're just a punk idiot so quit directing any of your comments at me with the expectation of me responding please. :) Thank you.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:15:40pm

re: #528 Decatur Deb

And that's not counting the Ron Paul tributary that was using the meme a year or two earlier. The TP stream has a lot of feeders.

The whole Tea Party movement started with Rick Santelli's rant @ 9 in the morning back in February of last year when the Democrats were trying to push through the stimulus bill. Then the wack-a-doo LaRoucher's got in on the act with their Obama-as-Hitler posters that you could download from the Lyndon LaRouche website. After that it just took on a life of its own, with the same racist shitbags we all saw at the McCain/Palin rallies back in '08 taking over, and the GOP trying to incorporate the protests for lack of any real constituency they might have left.

Now they're trying to pretend like it's a legit party, and that the LaRoucher's never had anything to do with it in the first place. Bizarre.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:16:06pm

re: #537 scrooster

no I won't shut up try again, Southern toad

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:16:35pm

Yep, he passed 200 that was quick

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:17:04pm

re: #525 scrooster

Yeah that's right. And had I wanted to refer to our half black president by an overly africanized name I would have simply referred to him as "Obama." Get a life. When are you left wingnuts going to quit playing the racism card?

Uhh, when people like you stop throwing out names like Obango, signs with Obama as a witch doctor or monkey, chain emails with Obama eating fried chicken and watermelon, and blog comments with all manner of vile racist content.

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austin_blue Sun, May 9, 2010 2:18:06pm

re: #448 scrooster

Dude ... you cannot be that dense? You want examples of far left wing socialist liberal action? Well, off the top of my head I would offer:

1) Socialized health care and the eventual government takeover of the health care system.
2) The hiring of, and surrounding himself with, well known socialists - even admitted socialists.
3) The catering to the socialist unions, complete with sweetheart deals and special favors.
4) The government takeover of the banking system.
5) Obama's call for the redistribution of wealth in this country.

Shall I continue?

Please do! This is entertaining!

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:18:10pm

re: #538 Sigma_x

The whole Tea Party movement started with Rick Santelli's rant @ 9 in the morning back in February of last year when the Democrats were trying to push through the stimulus bill. Then the wack-a-doo LaRoucher's got in on the act with their Obama-as-Hitler posters that you could download from the Lyndon LaRouche website. After that it just took on a life of its own, with the same racist shitbags we all saw at the McCain/Palin rallies back in '08 taking over, and the GOP trying to incorporate the protests for lack of any real constituency they might have left.

Now they're trying to pretend like it's a legit party, and that the LaRoucher's never had anything to do with it in the first place. Bizarre.

Santelli is one of the streams, the one that seems most obscure. RP and Freedomworks were already in place. A number of domain names had been registered.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 2:19:01pm

re: #473 PhillyPretzel

Have a good afternoon. I think I am going to head over to America's Test Kitchen.

Same to you! My youngest niece(3 year old) just informed me that she has the poopies and I have to wait on her. :D

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:19:09pm

re: #540 Thanos

Yep, he passed 200 that was quick

Who wants to bet he'll sweep the bottom 10 comments before this is over?

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:19:13pm

re: #530 SanFranciscoZionist

Now, Emma Goldman on the Supreme Court would have been fun.

Damn straight that would have been fun. We certainly wouldn't have been hung up on her sexual orientation.

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 2:19:19pm

You know the funny thing is I remember back when the Tea Parties were a big thing of the Ron Paul people, a lot in the right mocked them but as soon as Obama got elected they embraced them. Somehow, I don't think they would be as vocal if McCain had been elected.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:20:20pm

re: #543 Decatur Deb

Santelli is one of the streams, the one that seems most obscure. RP and Freedomworks were already in place. A number of domain names had been registered.

Untrue - look it up. It all began with a Santelli-rant (he's famous for those, and he's actually one of the few conservatives I actually have respect for; that guy definitely knows his shit) back in February of last year.

As a matter of fact, here it is...

Youtube Video

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:20:43pm

re: #545 jamesfirecat

Who wants to bet he'll sweep the bottom 10 comments before this is over?

If it weren't for Sigma he already would have.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:21:27pm

re: #548 Sigma_x

No, it really began with Luap Nor and the paulian wingnuts.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:21:40pm

re: #549 Thanos

If it weren't for Sigma he already would have.

If I go upding Sigma's comment that I previously down digned then he should sweep.

But I'd rather let him do it himself, it'll mean more to him that way....

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:21:48pm

re: #517 Sigma_x

So fuck it, right? Lets just let babies and old people drink it whether they like it or not. All so the nuclear power industry's profits aren't hampered by too much regulation.

This isn't even about my being in opposition to building any more nuclear power plants - I'm all for it. It's the old ones I'm worried about, and the right wants to leave things just the way they are, all in the name of free-markets and lashing out against some vague threat of "too much government."

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the GOP has become a wholly owned subsidiary of corporate America, and it's time we stopped pretending they're an honest player in any debate. If the right had their way, these old nuclear power plants would go right on polluting the shit out of South Jersey's drinking water. To what end?

To be fair this actually being pursued by the NJ Department of Environmental Protection which is now under the control of newly elected Republican Governor Chris Christie. The spill occurred while Democratic Governor Corzine was in office. During his governorship Corzine was rather slow regarding any action at Oyster Creek.

“Corzine could effectively end all this right now, but he keeps playing all sides,” says Jeff Tittel, director of the New Jersey Sierra Club. “He’s got to choose if he’s a friend of the public or of the corporate interests that were his buddies on Wall Street. If he chooses wrong, Barnegat Bay could very well be dead in twenty years.”

There was also this:

Key environmental group calls Corzine 'hugely disappointing' and backs Christie
By Matt Friedman, PolitickerNJ.com Reporter

Citing a string of broken promises from Gov. Jon Corzine, New Jersey's largest environmental group today backed former U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie for Governor - the first time the organization has endorsed a statewide Republican since its inception.

Members of the political arm of the New Jersey Environmental Federation - which endorsed Corzine in 2005 -- said they were "hugely disappointed" by Corzine's first term environmental record. They specifically mentioned his lack of action in working to create more cooling towers for nuclear plants, a drop off in waterway protection, lack of a commitment to environmental justice and failing to takes sides on a proposed coal plant in Linden.

Republican Governor Christie is also opposed to offshore oil drilling.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:22:47pm

re: #485 palomino

Yes, we are terrified of monochromatic fascism and revanchist populism, as represented by the baggers. Though most of the commenters here hardly qualify as far left.

Monochromatic fascism is something we are already experiencing with the current administration and its close followers. Revanchist populism however, well ... one could only hope. "Baggers?" Is that not a racist term of some sort, some how, some way? Wait. I get it. Put an "O" in front of it and it is "O'Baggers" and at that point it becomes a slur because it begins with the same letter as the first one contained in our first black president's surname.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:22:57pm

re: #552 Gus 802

pfft! I was waiting for him to come back before rubbing his nose in more facts...

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:23:37pm

re: #491 Sigma_x

Tritium Health Risks...

"Tritium is relatively similar to hydrogen, which makes it bind to OH as tritiated water (HTO), and that it can make organic bonds (OBT) easily. The HTO and the OBT are easily ingested by drinking, through organic or water-containing foodstuffs. As tritium is not a strong beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally, but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food, water, or absorbed through the skin.[13][14][15][16] HTO has a short biological half life in the human body of 7 to 14 days which both reduces the total effects of single-incident ingestion and precludes long-term bioaccumulation of HTO from the environment."

it's a radiation hazard at significant doses, sure. and they need to get these leaks under control; plants shouldn't be leaking anything. but AFAIK, the levels present in the water pose less risk than your average twinkie.

and the performance of a 30-year old plant has what bearing on our nuclear energy policy again? do you scrutinize the safety records of 30-year old jets before you step on a new Boeing?

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24:15pm

re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist

I admit that I sometimes called him Shrub, but only when I was feeling warmly toward him.

When I was mad at him it was "President Bush".

See there. Now that's honesty ... but only to a degree. Be glad you did not refer to him as O'shrub else it would have been considered a slur.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24:15pm

re: #548 Sigma_x

Untrue - look it up. It all began with a Santelli-rant (he's famous for those, and he's actually one of the few conservatives I actually have respect for; that guy definitely knows his shit) back in February of last year.

As a matter of fact, here it is...

[Video]

I'll re-assemble some links for you, but I'm working from memory (It wasn't that long ago.) Santelli's rant was a just the starter's gun for a part of the TP activity.
I think he might have been the only one not in the script.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24:21pm

re: #550 Thanos

No, it really began with Luap Nor and the paulian wingnuts.

Nosferatu Illuminati Templars?!

You gotta be shitting me.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:24:55pm

re: #490 SanFranciscoZionist

Really? What are some of the words he's used since being elected?

You moron.

Figure it out for yourself.

You idiot.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:25:44pm

re: #547 HappyWarrior

You know the funny thing is I remember back when the Tea Parties were a big thing of the Ron Paul people, a lot in the right mocked them but as soon as Obama got elected they embraced them. Somehow, I don't think they would be as vocal if McCain had been elected.

The Tea Party movement as it currently exists would not have happened if McCain had won, just as it did not exist under Bush. This is not about taxes.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:25:51pm

re: #554 Thanos

pfft! I was waiting for him to come back before rubbing his nose in more facts...

Yeah. I went off on a tangent there searching for some dirt. Apparently, Governor Corzine didn't do much of anything for the environment which led to the endorsement of Christie by the New Jersey Environmental Federation.

I used to live near Oyster Creek and it there was a rather popular sand pit nearby that we used to party at. Never gave the nuclear plant much thought,

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:25:52pm

re: #502 _RememberTonyC

In the spirit of sportsmanship, I will NOT down ding that comment. see what a good example we are setting for the others on the playground ...

i just updinged you! i swear it had nothing to do with the predictable comeback under way;)

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:25:55pm

re: #552 Gus 802

You won't ever hear me defend Corzine. That conscienceless shit-bag is completely owned by Wall St.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:26:21pm

re: #553 scrooster

Monochromatic fascism is something we are already experiencing with the current administration and its close followers. Revanchist populism however, well ... one could only hope. "Baggers?" Is that not a racist term of some sort, some how, some way? Wait. I get it. Put an "O" in front of it and it is "O'Baggers" and at that point it becomes a slur because it begins with the same letter as the first one contained in our first black president's surname.

There isn't a big enough picture to define all the fail in this...

Oh wait...

Image: shipment-of-fail.jpg

Yes there is!

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:26:55pm

re: #556 scrooster

See there. Now that's honesty ... but only to a degree. Be glad you did not refer to him as O'shrub else it would have been considered a slur.

I love kittenish racists on a Sunday afternoon!

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:27:24pm

re: #558 Sigma_x

WARNING : WINGNUT LUAP NOR VIDEO from 2007 FOLLOWS:

Youtube Video

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:27:25pm

re: #559 scrooster

Figure it out for yourself.

You idiot.

I take it that means you don't actually have any examples, but you still believe in your heart.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:27:30pm

re: #559 scrooster

I spy a troll. Looks like we're going to have a Mother's Day Troll-B-O.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:27:55pm

re: #556 scrooster

See there. Now that's honesty ... but only to a degree. Be glad you did not refer to him as O'shrub else it would have been considered a slur.

I could be wrong (wouldn't be surprised if I was.) But I thought, up until now, that he was the one who coined the phrase Tea Party, in an off-the-cuff fashion.

But now that I listen to it in context, it does sound like it was something that had already been arranged.

My humble apologies.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:28:16pm

re: #553 scrooster

Monochromatic fascism is something we are already experiencing with the current administration and its close followers. Revanchist populism however, well ... one could only hope. "Baggers?" Is that not a racist term of some sort, some how, some way? Wait. I get it. Put an "O" in front of it and it is "O'Baggers" and at that point it becomes a slur because it begins with the same letter as the first one contained in our first black president's surname.

Were you born with Downs or did oxygen get cut off at some point?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 2:28:30pm

re: #568 Dark_Falcon

I spy a troll. Looks like we're going to have a Mother's Day Troll-B-O.

D_F! You're here!

(I have to go to the store and get some carrots. Back in a bit.)

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 2:29:05pm

re: #568 Dark_Falcon

I spy a troll. Looks like we're going to have a Mother's Day Troll-B-O.

It's a pretty big one, do we have a supersized grill?

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 2:29:15pm

re: #560 SanFranciscoZionist

The Tea Party movement as it currently exists would not have happened if McCain had won, just as it did not exist under Bush. This is not about taxes.

Yep, so true. The Republicans in Congress were all too happy to support the Bush administration's increasing the government's size and spending yet as soon as Obama gets elected, we have a change of tune.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:29:27pm

Off to prep dinner for Mom's day, back a bit later

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:30:05pm

Ray Allen just got pwned...

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:30:46pm

re: #559 scrooster

Congratulations on making 9 out of 10 bottom comments. You've earned it. Must be hard work being a delta bravo all the time.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:31:32pm

re: #558 Sigma_x

Nosferatu Illuminati Templars?!

You gotta be shitting me.

Here's Huffpost:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Here is a TP source arguing the Paul stream: (Cached, I'm not familiar with the source.)

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:31:41pm

re: #565 SanFranciscoZionist

I love kittenish racists on a Sunday afternoon!

Kittenish? How dare you compare those lovable fluff balls to this guy!

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:31:54pm

re: #566 Thanos

WARNING : WINGNUT LUAP NOR VIDEO from 2007 FOLLOWS:

[Video]

Last year, back when the whole Tea Party movement was gaining steam, I was totally convinced that the association with the LaRoucher's would keep the Republicans from going anywhere near it, for fear that they'd be tainted by association.

Then, come to find, it turns out that the GOP has completely abdicated any and all of the few principles they had remaining, in a desperate effort to try and co-opt any built-in constituency they could muster up, no matter how deranged they happened to be.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:32:57pm

re: #493 Alouette

Why don't you first tell us where you heard that name and why you use it.

Why don't you pound sand up your @$$ - I'm not explaining it again. Take it for what it is worth.

Oh, I will say that I believe the first time I heard that name was either on the Rush Limbaugh show or one of the local radio shows that follows his. I remember laughing and thinking how perfect that name was. Immediately I pictured Barry sitting around his tribal campfire, no wait, at his Madrasah school desk .... no, no wait ... I pictured him out on the beach in Hawaii with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon around a beach party bond fire playing his coconut bongos and reciting beatnik coffee house poetry while all the little white women in their bikinis looked on wishing they could bang him right there in the sand under Kilauea. Thus, "Obango, Obongo." I use both with equal disrespect intended, thank you.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:32:59pm

re: #572 Floral Giraffe

It's a pretty big one, do we have a supersized grill?

No but we can chop it up. And I just made a grocery run, so we've got lots of charcoal and enough soda for all.

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palomino Sun, May 9, 2010 2:33:00pm

re: #567 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it that means you don't actually have any examples, but you still believe in your heart.

Because what you believe, or feel deep down in your gut, is way more important than pesky examples, facts, studies, scientific evidence, or other elitist tropes.

Time to remind screwedup that 83% of US population growth in the last decade was among minorities.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #578 jamesfirecat

Kittenish? How dare you compare those lovable fluff balls to this guy!

they pose similar intellectual threats...

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:33:50pm

re: #579 Sigma_x

I used to think the same about Luap nor, now he's practically leading the party ....

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:34:29pm

re: #583 Aceofwhat?

they pose similar intellectual threats...

Hey if this was 3rd edition we'd be owning you first level commoners!

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:34:34pm

Alright, folks - FOREX trading has just begun, and the Euro has gapped up against the dollar a pretty healthy amount. Which is a good thing.

I don't know if any of you are aware, but what goes on through the night in Asian markets and with major currencies around the world have very significant consequences for our own economy.

If Asia and Europe crash before the market opens here, we really could be looking at another Black-Monday situation that will be talked about for the next 100 years.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 2:34:56pm

re: #580 scrooster

So you are a racist nirther, I think that explains all...

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:35:15pm

re: #580 scrooster

OK, fuckhead, let me explain something to you:

Alouette and SanFranciscoZionist are two of the nicest ladies you'll even meet. If they're mad at you, you've done something wrong. And if you insult them, the whole of the lizard army will unite against you. Shape up or flounce off!

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:36:59pm

re: #580 scrooster

Scrooster sez:

Barry sitting around his tribal campfire...while all the little white women in their bikinis looked on wishing they could bang him right there in the sand under Kilauea. Thus, "Obango, Obongo."

Yep, talks like a duck.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:37:16pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

OK, fuckhead, let me explain something to you:

Alouette and SanFranciscoZionist are two of the nicest ladies you'll even meet. If they're mad at you, you've done something wrong. And if you insult them, the whole of the lizard army will unite against you. Shape up or flounce off!

too late. two of the most intelligent and wonderful souls here, and it was spiteful to both. i'm already mobilized.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:38:26pm

re: #519 palomino

Wrong, tea party started in 2008 to protest bailouts, then gained steam after Obama's election. Palin left in summer of 2009.

Are you EVER not wrong?

My bad ... I guess I simply never heard of them until recently. Like I typed earlier, I could give a flying (%&^ about the Tea Party. However, I do recognize them for the balance they are attempting to achieve - through no conscious will of their own I might add.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:38:35pm

re: #558 Sigma_x

Nosferatu Illuminati Templars?!

You gotta be shitting me.

Here's a left-looking site I can't vouch, but it has a long discussion of the Freedomworks astroturf stream. (I'm grabbing these fast, they're not hard to find.)

[Link: www.prwatch.org...]

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:38:36pm

re: #580 scrooster

So, scrooster. What was your first job after you graduated from 3rd grade?

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:38:51pm

re: #589 Gus 802

Scrooster sez:

Yep, talks like a duck.

No question. I'm thinking a Stalker Blogger has snuck in. I'll check.

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 9, 2010 2:39:09pm

Looks like we have a live one here.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:40:03pm

re: #594 Dark_Falcon

No question. I'm thinking a Stalker Blogger has snuck in. I'll check.

Just give him a few more posts he hasn't completely dominated the bottom 10 yet!

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:40:18pm

re: #522 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I actually agree with you on some of you on some things, but you're kind of being a dick about it. And not in a good Cheney way.

But you're not here to please me. So, go ahead.

Enjoy your ostracism.

Thanks ... I think. And I will, thank you. You know what they say about forums right? The whole absence of facial expression and voice inflection and how confusing that tends to make things at times. :) Well, hopefully, with time, that will prove to be factual in this case. In the meantime though, I feel the need to be a dick.

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Renaissance_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 2:42:39pm

re: #532 scrooster

Perhaps not - by all means and if you have the time, please define "the word" for me.

Well, by 'socialism' I take it to mean a believer in a system where there is collective or governmental ownership of the means of production of distribution and goods. A system in which there is no ownership of private property, or almost none. I think, however, that you think it means anyone who believes the government should do anything outside of legislate morality and run the military.

I don't actually have a lot of time to debate and argue with you, more's the pity. I can only drop in for minutes at a time. However, I don't think there would be a whole lot of point if I could. See, almost every meme you have posted thus far has been either demonstrably false, or entirely baseless and nothing more than the product of a fevered imagination rich in conspiracy theory. Yet you clearly believe them uncritically.

There's no amount of argument that will alter that, even if I had the time to find the appropriate links and post them. Your anger at the President is palpable, no matter how much you cloak it in generic antigovernmental homily. More importantly, though, your belief in such ridiculous memes as labeling a relatively weak and corporate health care bill as 'government takeover of health care' is obviously unassailable. Nobody could claim the things you have cut-and-pasted, such as that and the debunked O'Keeffe ACORN saga, with a straight face unless they were a true believer. And, as such, further discussion with you is pointless from the point of view of educating you. All it will do is show to lurkers reading this thread how easily these memes are debunked, and while that is a noble and just endeavour, I will have to leave it to others today.

As for you yourself, it is possible you will be able to fake surprise that using an epithet that suggests the President is a foreigner is taken badly well enough that you manage to stick around. I personally doubt it - it's only a matter of time before you accidentally cut and paste something from somewhere that really does contain a vile racial epithet, or worse. When you do eventually go, under your own steam or otherwise, no doubt you will congratulate yourself that you managed to tweak the noses of the 'far lefties' with 'facts'. Just remember that repetition of memes does not make them true.

Toodles.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:42:56pm

re: #580 scrooster

Why don't you pound sand up your @$$ - I'm not explaining it again. Take it for what it is worth.

Oh, I will say that I believe the first time I heard that name was either on the Rush Limbaugh show or one of the local radio shows that follows his. I remember laughing and thinking how perfect that name was. Immediately I pictured Barry sitting around his tribal campfire, no wait, at his Madrasah school desk ... no, no wait ... I pictured him out on the beach in Hawaii with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon around a beach party bond fire playing his coconut bongos and reciting beatnik coffee house poetry while all the little white women in their bikinis looked on wishing they could bang him right there in the sand under Kilauea. Thus, "Obango, Obongo." I use both with equal disrespect intended, thank you.

Well, when you back up your position with such reasoned, compelling, thought-inducing imagery, it surprises me that anyone with any sense wouldn't join your school of thought.

You sold me, Einstein.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 2:43:12pm

re: #593 Gus 802

So, scrooster. What was your first job after you graduated from 3rd grade?

Scrooster didn't graduate the third grade. He claims his third grade teacher had it in for him when Scrooster wouldn't lend the teacher his car.

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Charles Johnson Sun, May 9, 2010 2:43:25pm

Kind of appropriate he pops up in a tea party-related thread.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:46:16pm

re: #601 Charles

Kind of appropriate he pops up in a tea party-related thread.

Yep. This one is a proud awardee of the Bronze Cow And Fan, awarded by the Oathkeepers for excellence in shit-stirring.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:46:27pm

re: #558 Sigma_x

Here is a timeline on the Santelli rant, the Playboy retraction, and the timing of domain registrations.

[Link: www.historycommons.org...]

Enough?

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 2:46:36pm

re: #531 Nimed

So that's what you meant by balance. You're trying to compensate for all the people in LGF who are supporting a Carter candidacy in 2012.

Is that b@$+@rd running again in 2012. Oh, wait, you're just yanking my chain. I get it.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:46:38pm

This Just In...

EU Pulls Out Nuclear Option - Proposes 500 Billion Euro Bail-Out Package/Largest in History

"Germany proposed on Sunday evening the establishment of a comprehensive plan of financial aid can be used for countries in the euro area, totaling 500 billion euros and involves the IMF, told AFP European diplomatic source. "Germany has put on the table a proposal of 500 billion euros," she said. It would include 60 billion euros in loans from the European Commission, he was in the last day, and 440 billion would accrue if necessary, the euro zone countries and the International Monetary Fund. This envelope would be established "bilateral loans, collateral for loans and lines of credit from the IMF," the source said. It would be in scale, if the subject of an agreement, an assistance plan is unprecedented in history."

This is huge, folks. And it could very well mean that the global economy was saved from the edge of the abyss once more (at least for now - the check is going to come due sooner or later.) I think the EU just helped to avoid a real Black Monday. No one thought they were gonna do this. This really will come as a surprise to the market.

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reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 2:47:39pm

re: #601 Charles

Kind of appropriate he pops up in a tea party-related thread.

Heh.
I originally read that as "he poops up" in a tea-party thread.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:49:14pm

re: #603 Decatur Deb

Here is a timeline on the Santelli rant, the Playboy retraction, and the timing of domain registrations.

[Link: www.historycommons.org...]

Enough?

Yes. Quite. My humble apologies for ever doubting you. I think it's probably because I pretty much only watch CNBC and Bloomberg that my insight might be stymied by such a myopic view.

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prairiefire Sun, May 9, 2010 2:49:40pm

I'm making spaghetti carbonara for Mum's Day dinner.

Happy Mom's day , moms.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 2:50:13pm

re: #606 reine.de.tout

I originally read that as "he poops up" in a tea-party thread.

I read it as he poops up a tea party thread.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:51:15pm

HE'S DONE IT, HE'S DONE IT, HE'S TAKEN THE ENTIRE BOTTOM TEN, SCROOSTER IS THE MOST UNLIKEABLE PERSON ON THE SITE!

Youtube Video

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:51:36pm

re: #604 scrooster

Question for the group:

If you waterboard a teabagger, does the water turn into tea?

/;)

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 2:52:31pm

re: #608 prairiefire

I'm making spaghetti carbonara for Mum's Day dinner.

Happy Mom's day , moms.

why are you cooking on Mother's Day???

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:52:33pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group:

If you waterboard a teabagger, does the water turn into tea?

/;)

It may turn into a brown liquid, but I would not drink it.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 2:52:46pm

Why do you guys even give this idiot scooster the time of day? By paying him any mind at all, you're feeding into his bullshit and giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

You'd drive him completely around the bend if you were to ignore him altogether.

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allegro Sun, May 9, 2010 2:52:47pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group:
If you waterboard a teabagger, does the water turn into tea?

My Bostonian dad always said that tea from a teabag tasted like piss. I think it might apply.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:53:12pm

re: #607 Sigma_x

s'OK, I don't think there's a single great conspiracy behind this, and most of the faces we see are innocent of it. The Paulians seem actually to be ticked off at having their stream high-jacked.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:54:18pm

I just found Scrooster's theme song:

Youtube Video

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:54:28pm

re: #614 Sigma_x

Why do you guys even give this idiot scooster the time of day? By paying him any mind at all, you're feeding into his bullshit and giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

You'd drive him completely around the bend if you were to ignore him altogether.

Its more fun to see what exactly makes the gears tick inside their twisted little heads.

Psychonaughts, LGF edition!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:55:17pm

re: #612 Aceofwhat?

why are you cooking on Mother's Day???

Troll, just as soon as Charles kills the thing's account.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 2:55:21pm

re: #614 Sigma_x

Why do cats play with their food before killing it?
Endorphins make the meat tastier?

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:55:26pm

re: #618 jamesfirecat

Its more fun to see what exactly makes the gears tick inside their twisted little heads.

Psychonaughts, LGF edition!

And we'll be hearing this crap again, so we might as well stay current.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, May 9, 2010 2:55:50pm

re: #614 Sigma_x

Why do you guys even give this idiot scooster the time of day? By paying him any mind at all, you're feeding into his bullshit and giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

You'd drive him completely around the bend if you were to ignore him altogether.

It's something like playing with your food, although I don't have time to go back and see what this troll is selling.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, May 9, 2010 2:55:59pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

You beat me.

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Gus Sun, May 9, 2010 2:56:02pm

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

I just found Scrooster's theme song:

[Video]

Love it!

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prairiefire Sun, May 9, 2010 2:56:07pm

re: #612 Aceofwhat?

Eh, I need to use up some pulled pork and I just went out for a Girl's Night Out dinner last night with high school classmates.

We are great, we are fine, we are the class of '79!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #621 Decatur Deb

And we'll be hearing this crap again, so we might as well stay current.

Obama is the milkman!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 2:58:33pm

re: #620 Floral Giraffe

Why do cats play with their food before killing it?
Endorphins make the meat tastier?

It also save time by causing the troll to spew its bile now. This empties the troll's guts and thus saves us time and mess when gutting the troll later.

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 2:58:41pm

I sense a screed being prepared.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 2:59:36pm

re: #626 jamesfirecat

?? That fell into the generation gap.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:01:40pm

re: #629 Decatur Deb

?? That fell into the generation gap.

Play Psychonaughts.

It's a freaking shame that Gametap no longer lets you play it for free.

[Link: store.steampowered.com...]

Still for only $10 you'll be getting an unforgettable video game experience!

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 3:03:48pm

re: #625 prairiefire

Eh, I need to use up some pulled pork and I just went out for a Girl's Night Out dinner last night with high school classmates.

We are great, we are fine, we are the class of '79!

Nice! I've been doing cleaning w/kids, dishes and laundry all day. She slept in and has been sitting outside reading all day. I know how to deliver a good, solid mother's day!

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 3:04:26pm

re: #630 jamesfirecat

My only game is Civ IV, and I'm getting sick of losing to it.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 3:04:56pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Troll, just as soon as Charles kills the thing's account.

you misunderstood, although i agree with you...we are indeed having troll! i'm just not going to ask any of the wonderful mothers here to help us prepare it-

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 3:08:43pm

re: #616 Decatur Deb

s'OK, I don't think there's a single great conspiracy behind this, and most of the faces we see are innocent of it. The Paulians seem actually to be ticked off at having their stream high-jacked.

Serves them right - for backing a homophobic nutjob who's only decent contribution to society is fighting to have the Fed audited.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:09:19pm

re: #580 scrooster

Why don't you pound sand up your @$$ - I'm not explaining it again. Take it for what it is worth.

Oh, I will say that I believe the first time I heard that name was either on the Rush Limbaugh show or one of the local radio shows that follows his. I remember laughing and thinking how perfect that name was. Immediately I pictured Barry sitting around his tribal campfire, no wait, at his Madrasah school desk ... no, no wait ... I pictured him out on the beach in Hawaii with Annette Funicello and Frankie Avalon around a beach party bond fire playing his coconut bongos and reciting beatnik coffee house poetry while all the little white women in their bikinis looked on wishing they could bang him right there in the sand under Kilauea. Thus, "Obango, Obongo." I use both with equal disrespect intended, thank you.

Why DO leftwing types like me keep making it all about racism...

Oh yeah. This might be why.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #590 Aceofwhat?

too late. two of the most intelligent and wonderful souls here, and it was spiteful to both. i'm already mobilized.

I'm extremely flattered, but guys, as Molly Ivins once said, it's like being gummed by a newt. It doesn't hurt, but you get slimy gunk on your ankle.

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 3:11:39pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

Why DO leftwing types like me keep making it all about racism...

Oh yeah. This might be why.

Please don't judge all right wingers by this fool.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:12:11pm

re: #614 Sigma_x

Why do you guys even give this idiot scooster the time of day? By paying him any mind at all, you're feeding into his bullshit and giving him exactly what he wants - attention.

You'd drive him completely around the bend if you were to ignore him altogether.

It's a lazy Sunday afternoon...

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:12:22pm

re: #637 NJDhockeyfan

Please don't judge all right wingers by this fool.

He's not. He's saying that people like this sadly keep popping up and its up to us on the left along with the help of sane right wingers like yourself to pound them down.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 3:13:46pm

re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm extremely flattered, but guys, as Molly Ivins once said, it's like being gummed by a newt. It doesn't hurt, but you get slimy gunk on your ankle.

:)

It was far more important to me to seize the opportunity to compliment you and Alouette than to do any real manly defending...like you said, you're being batted at by a kitteh;)

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:15:52pm

re: #637 NJDhockeyfan

Please don't judge all right wingers by this fool.

Oh, heavens, believe me, I don't. I know the Lizards!

It's just that he asked why...and then provided the answer...

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:17:23pm

re: #640 Aceofwhat?

...like you said, you're being batted at by a kitteh;)

Josh Lyman: "Toby! Sam's getting whooped on TV by a girl!"

Toby Ziegler: "I'll bring the popcorn!"

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austin_blue Sun, May 9, 2010 3:19:13pm

re: #508 bratwurst

How much do you want to bet this is going to be one of those "I made a bet with a friend that I could drive lizards into forming a lynch mob...shame on all of you for proving me right...blah blah blah" kind of things?

I don't want him gone! He's a very entertaining troll. Hell, he's the very *caricature* of a troll.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 3:19:21pm

That really is so clever, though, when you think about it. Obango, Obongo! Whew, I keep wiping the tears from my eyes in joyful mirth at the clever word-play.

You get it?! O-bango?! Because all de white women want to "bang" Obama?! It's simply hysterical (and oh so politically on-point.)

I mean, how can you intellectually compete when you're up against such an awesome display of wit?

You just can't. Better to just hand over the reigns of power to them now, and save ourselves any further embarrassment.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:20:10pm

re: #642 SteveC

Josh Lyman: "Toby! Sam's getting whooped on TV by a girl!"

Toby Ziegler: "I'll bring the popcorn!"

Then that girl went on to play a one-dimensional character on CSI: Miami...

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 3:20:15pm

re: #643 austin_blue

I don't want him gone! He's a very entertaining troll. Hell, he's the very *caricature* of a troll.

I think we made him feel unwelcome.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:20:35pm

re: #643 austin_blue

I don't want him gone! He's a very entertaining troll. Hell, he's the very *caricature* of a troll.

By jove I've had a break through!

He's not trolling us, he's creating a piece of post modern performance art for us to enjoy!

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 3:20:41pm

re: #642 SteveC

Josh Lyman: "Toby! Sam's getting whooped on TV by a girl!"

Toby Ziegler: "I'll bring the popcorn!"

well done there-

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 3:20:58pm

re: #644 Sigma_x

That really is so clever, though, when you think about it. Obango, Obongo! Whew, I keep wiping the tears from my eyes in joyful mirth at the clever word-play.

You get it?! O-bango?! Because all de white women want to "bang" Obama?! It's simply hysterical (and oh so politically on-point.)

I mean, how can you intellectually compete when you're up against such an awesome display of wit?

You just can't. Better to just hand over the reigns of power to them now, and save ourselves any further embarrassment.

I thought Obango, Obongo was a dead man's party.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:21:26pm

re: #643 austin_blue

I don't want him gone! He's a very entertaining troll. Hell, he's the very *caricature* of a troll.

I think he's using LGF from his audition. He's planning to make the Stalker Blog his home. He'll fit right in.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 3:21:30pm

re: #649 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Obango, Obongo was a dead man's party.

No, man - that's O-boingo Boingo.

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:21:48pm

re: #645 Dark_Falcon

Then that girl went on to play a one-dimensional character on CSI: Miami...

*pounds head on desk*

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:23:25pm

re: #652 SteveC

*pounds head on desk*

Sorry, thought the joke was good. The troll's gone, so I'm heading upstairs...

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Nimed Sun, May 9, 2010 3:24:26pm

re: #637 NJDhockeyfan

Please don't judge all right wingers by this fool.

NJD, why do you have to be so insensitive? He's right here.

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 3:25:47pm

re: #654 Nimed

I think he's gone off.

He was pretty ripe to begin with.

656

Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, May 9, 2010 3:25:59pm

re: #625 prairiefire

Eh, I need to use up some pulled pork and I just went out for a Girl's Night Out dinner last night with high school classmates.

We are great, we are fine, we are the class of '79!

Heh. Yer older than me...

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:26:16pm

re: #642 SteveC

Josh Lyman: "Toby! Sam's getting whooped on TV by a girl!"

Toby Ziegler: "I'll bring the popcorn!"

I loved Ainsley Hayes.

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Decatur Deb Sun, May 9, 2010 3:26:54pm

BBL

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:26:56pm

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, thought the joke was good. The troll's gone, so I'm heading upstairs...

She's earning a paycheck - but she does have a lot more talent. West Wing proved that.

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 3:26:59pm

This is going to be one of the most interesting weeks in the stock market in the past 20 years. Maybe more. The sustainability of the global recovery rests on trading this week. Bananas.

661

Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 3:27:04pm

So Sc's just another limp dick Rushbot? Bummer I thought it'd pan out to something ya know,... special?

662

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:27:10pm

re: #645 Dark_Falcon

Then that girl went on to play a one-dimensional character on CSI: Miami...

They don't have any other kind of CSI: Miami, although I have to admit that Horatio is sort of fun. Especially when he takes off his sunglasses and looks thoughtfully into the distance...

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 3:27:57pm

re: #654 Nimed

NJD, why do you have to be so insensitive? He's right here.

I am against being sensitive. Grow a some thick skin (or scales) or tough shit.

664

watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 9, 2010 3:29:21pm

re: #328 scrooster

I once used the word "communist" in a post here, now I are one huh?

/shit, I did it again, now I'm probably worse than Stalin!

665

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:29:38pm

re: #649 NJDhockeyfan

I thought Obango, Obongo was a dead man's party.

So bongo, bongo, bongo,
I don't wanna leave the Congo, oh no no no no no
Bingo, bangle, bungle, I'm so happy in the jungle, I refuse to go
Don't want no jailhouse, shotgun, fish-hooks, golf clubs, I got my spears
So, no matter how they coax him, I'll stay right here

Danny Kaye, ladies and gentlemen

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:29:47pm

re: #661 Thanos

So Sc's just another limp dick Rushbot? Bummer I thought it'd pan out to something ya know,... special?

Their dick are only limp right now. They stand up when Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter come into view,

667

jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:30:38pm

re: #665 SanFranciscoZionist

So bongo, bongo, bongo,
I don't wanna leave the Congo, oh no no no no no
Bingo, bangle, bungle, I'm so happy in the jungle, I refuse to go
Don't want no jailhouse, shotgun, fish-hooks, golf clubs, I got my spears
So, no matter how they coax him, I'll stay right here

Danny Kaye, ladies and gentlemen

I know that song because I have it stuck in my head from gunning down Raiders/Fire ants/Enclave Goons

How about you?

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Randall Gross Sun, May 9, 2010 3:30:46pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Their dick are only limp right now. They stand up when Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter come into view,

Yes, it's the tiniest salute you ever saw is what I heard...

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:31:00pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

They don't have any other kind of CSI: Miami, although I have to admit that Horatio is sort of fun. Especially when he takes off his sunglasses and looks thoughtfully into the distance...

I actually like the show a bit, but it does demand a small amount of mocking at times.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:31:45pm

re: #667 jamesfirecat

I know that song because I have it stuck in my head from gunning down Raiders/Fire ants/Enclave Goons

How about you?

It's referenced in a left-wing romance novel by Barbara Kingsolver.

(OK, it's not supposed to be a romance novel, but it totally is, at least the last five chapters or so.)

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austin_blue Sun, May 9, 2010 3:31:47pm

re: #668 Thanos

Yes, it's the tiniest salute you ever saw is what I heard...

Zzzzzzzzing!

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:32:12pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Their dick are only limp right now. They stand up when Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter come into view,

Ann Coluter? Really?

Image: ann-coulter-1019071229469323.jpg

Those eyes those teeth, that face it's like there something dead in side screaming to try and get out....

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 3:33:01pm

re: #670 SanFranciscoZionist

It's referenced in a left-wing romance novel by Barbara Kingsolver.

(OK, it's not supposed to be a romance novel, but it totally is, at least the last five chapters or so.)

Somehow I bet a lot more people are familiar with it from Fallout 3

Right?

Right...?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:37:33pm

re: #673 jamesfirecat

Somehow I bet a lot more people are familiar with it from Fallout 3

Right?

Right...?

Probably!

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 3:38:22pm

I found his explanation of why he calls Obama, Obango very uh telling to say the least. re: #672 jamesfirecat

Ann Coluter? Really?

Image: ann-coulter-1019071229469323.jpg

Those eyes those teeth, that face it's like there something dead in side screaming to try and get out...

Yeah I've never seen anything attractive about her. Too blond and skinny for me. Plus she seems to be a miserable person. I mean really I find it sad she's made a fortune by writing about how liberals hate America.

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:38:51pm

re: #672 jamesfirecat

Ann Coluter? Really?

Those eyes those teeth, that face it's like there something dead in side screaming to try and get out...

I actually saw this comic for sale in Union Station while I was in DC:
Barack Obama, President Evil

In the comic Mr Obama crash-lands Air Force One in Washington to find the city has been taken-over by zombies, all infected by a virus originating from swine flu.

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Aceofwhat? Sun, May 9, 2010 3:39:50pm

re: #675 HappyWarrior

I found his explanation of why he calls Obama, Obango very uh telling to say the least.

Yeah I've never seen anything attractive about her. Too blond and skinny for me. Plus she seems to be a miserable person. I mean really I find it sad she's made a fortune by writing about how liberals hate America.

I don't think that she's attractive either. All i can see is the anger.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 3:41:25pm

re: #661 Thanos

So Sc's just another limp dick Rushbot? Bummer I thought it'd pan out to something ya know,... special?

I think it went to take a nap, so it can get up at 2AM and post the most awesome flounce ever!

679

SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:43:28pm

re: #677 Aceofwhat?

I don't think that she's attractive either. All i can see is the anger.

Yes, the meanie libruls hates us, precious, so I shall respond by yelling insults right back at them.

/// X 14

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:44:59pm

re: #675 HappyWarrior

I found his explanation of why he calls Obama, Obango very uh telling to say the least.

Yeah I've never seen anything attractive about her. Too blond and skinny for me. Plus she seems to be a miserable person. I mean really I find it sad she's made a fortune by writing about how liberals hate America.

I've mentioned this before, but I want to make over Ann Coulter.

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:47:01pm

re: #680 SanFranciscoZionist

I've mentioned this before, but I want to make over Ann Coulter.

Can you buy anti-anxiety medication at your local hairdresser? Because I think that unless you give her quite a few does, you're wasting your money and time.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:47:37pm

re: #676 SteveC

I can see Sarah Palin as "Paladin":

Have gun, will shoot own party in the foot.

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HappyWarrior Sun, May 9, 2010 3:49:47pm

re: #680 SanFranciscoZionist

I've mentioned this before, but I want to make over Ann Coulter.

Sounds like an adventure.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 3:50:31pm

re: #682 Dark_Falcon

I can see Sarah Palin as "Paladin":

Have gun, will shoot own party in the foot.

Jokes aside, if any political figure was likely to survive a zombie apocalypse it would be Sarah Palin. She's a good shot and can live off the land. Sadly, that would mean if the zombies were beaten back, she'd be in charge. Being lead by Sarah Palin would be better than being a zombie, but not by too much.

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:51:00pm

re: #682 Dark_Falcon

I can see Sarah Palin as "Paladin":

Have gun, will shoot own party in the foot.

Or the classic line from Capricorn One:

"Do you want the gun?"

"I'll shoot myself in the foot."

"Do you want the gun?"

"I'll shoot him in the foot."

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 3:53:47pm

re: #683 HappyWarrior

Sounds like an adventure.

I can't remember who this is, but there's a lesbian humorist who did a piece on the straight people she works with. One of her concerns about straight women is how they try to be like men, with the power dressing. (This was in the 80s.) She can't help but think how beautiful they would be in something soft and feminine, like an old plaid flannel shirt.

My imagined makeover of Ann Coulter is rather similar--if she dressed like a bohemian college professor, I know her inner beauty would just shine through.

Also, that superblond look has GOT to go.

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SteveC Sun, May 9, 2010 3:55:12pm

Need to go everyone - I hope all my friends, and especially the mothers here, have a wonderful Mother's Day!

*Blows kiss*

688

Varek Raith Sun, May 9, 2010 3:58:08pm

Looking like Obama's gonna get another term.
Hell, I don't think the Rs are going gain anywhere near the seats they think they're going to get in November.

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 3:59:28pm

re: #688 Varek Raith

Looking like Obama's gonna get another term.
Hell, I don't think the Rs are going gain anywhere near the seats they think they're going to get in November.

Michael Moore disagrees with you.

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Macha Sun, May 9, 2010 4:00:00pm

re: #395 Sigma_x

I'm supposed to be intimidated by a 108-year old bag-boy and an equally old, delusional creepy pervert who relentlessly spins tall tales about how all the young girls find him irresistible?

You poor schmuck, you don't have a clue, do you? Your irrelevance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 4:00:51pm

re: #689 NJDhockeyfan

Michael Moore disagrees with you.

Interesting, although I don't know how astute he really is. What does Nate Silver say these days?

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Varek Raith Sun, May 9, 2010 4:05:36pm

re: #97 scrooster

Karma: -502

scrooster

lover, fighter, wild bull rider

Registered since: May 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 34
No. of links posted: 0

Dood....

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 9, 2010 4:06:51pm

re: #692 Varek Raith

Karma: -502

scrooster

lover, fighter, wild bull rider

Registered since: May 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 34
No. of links posted: 0

Dood...

Hey. You mess with the bull, you get the horns...

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Sigma_x Sun, May 9, 2010 4:11:41pm

re: #690 Macha

You poor schmuck, you don't have a clue, do you? Your irrelevance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

Ow. I can't tell you how badly the biting words of a complete stranger on the internet hurts. I'll probably have trouble sleeping tonight. You've made me re-examine my entire life.

I'll probably go kill myself. What's the point of going on, if I can't win your approval?

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 4:12:33pm

re: #693 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey. You mess with the bull, you get the horns...

More like you can only dish out so much bull before people get tired of you.

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prairiefire Sun, May 9, 2010 4:23:45pm

re: #399 scrooster

Wow ... wow wow wow. I just realized something. The far left is truly terrified of the Tea Party. It's not just a myth - you left wing nut jobs are absolutely terrified of the Tea Party. I may have to contribute to them after all.

I wonder if he is the rooster that blogs on RedState.

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Varek Raith Sun, May 9, 2010 4:31:19pm

scrooster. Trolling. You're doing it right.
:P

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 4:35:05pm

re: #697 Varek Raith

scrooster. Trolling. You're doing it right.
:P

Scrooster...is that short for rooster scrotum?

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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 9, 2010 4:38:04pm

re: #688 Varek Raith

Looking like Obama's gonna get another term.
Hell, I don't think the Rs are going gain anywhere near the seats they think they're going to get in November.

Too soon to tell, way too soon, hell stuff sometimes happens in local races with only a few days to go that changes the polls completely. Anyone who thinks they can call this race from here/now is either an optimistic fool or an complete idiot.

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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, May 9, 2010 4:41:44pm

re: #694 Sigma_x

Ow. I can't tell you how badly the biting words of a complete stranger on the internet hurts. I'll probably have trouble sleeping tonight. You've made me re-examine my entire life.

I'll probably go kill myself. What's the point of going on, if I can't win your approval?

That was extremely snarky and actually kinda mean...I sorta liked it.

/ now play nice or I will have to lecture you about your posting deficiencies. ;)

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 9, 2010 5:06:00pm

re: #97 scrooster

For some reason I find your spelling of "Sterylization" incredibly funny

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, May 9, 2010 5:06:52pm

re: #689 NJDhockeyfan

Michael Moore disagrees with you.

Michael Moore is not credible as a political strategist. 8-)

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NJDhockeyfan Sun, May 9, 2010 5:30:47pm

re: #702 WindUpBird

Michael Moore is not credible as a political strategist. 8-)

I bet he knows where all the best buffets are though.

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Mark Pennington Sun, May 9, 2010 5:39:07pm

re: #692 Varek Raith

Karma: -502

scrooster

lover, fighter, wild bull rider

Registered since: May 8, 2010 at 4:43 pm
No. of comments posted: 34
No. of links posted: 0

Dood...

Better late than never...Play him off, Keyboard Cat...

Youtube Video

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Querent Sun, May 9, 2010 7:25:43pm

re: #33 Cato the Elder

not quite worth a down-ding, but certainly in poor taste.

(i thought you held yourself to higher standards there, Cato...)

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Oh no...Sand People! Sun, May 9, 2010 7:30:58pm

Not much to say about Bennett, but when it comes to Orrin Hatch, the dude has been in the senate since 1976. Longer than I've been alive.

Regardless of what he has done... it's time for him to go. Just go. Go.

Retirement is 65, I would love politicians to be forced to stop at that age also. But that's just me.

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Oh no...Sand People! Sun, May 9, 2010 7:34:07pm

"Yeah....they come to snuff the scrooster....ohhh..yeah..
Yeah, here comes the scrooster...YEAH!! No he ain't gonna die!! Nooo..noo..no.. no he ain't gonna die!"

Apologies to Alice in Chains.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 7:35:20pm

re: #706 Oh no...Sand People!

Not much to say about Bennett, but when it comes to Orrin Hatch, the dude has been in the senate since 1976. Longer than I've been alive.

Regardless of what he has done... it's time for him to go. Just go. Go.

Retirement is 65, I would love politicians to be forced to stop at that age also. But that's just me.

What you forget is, retirement is no longer mandatory. I'm older than dirt, and my dad is older than I, and no one is asking (or offering) for either of us to retire.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 7:36:19pm

re: #705 Querent

not quite worth a down-ding, but certainly in poor taste.

(i thought you held yourself to higher standards there, Cato...)

You must have mistaken me for Cato the Younger.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 7:51:34pm

re: #705 Querent

By the way, my specialty is obscene poetry, with a focus on the lesser-known pre-Catullus Roman poets.

"When correctly viewed
Everything is lewd.
Why, I could tell you things about Peter Pan!
And the Wizard of Oz. (There's a dirty old man.)"

--Tom Lehrer

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 7:54:51pm

re: #541 palomino

Uhh, when people like you stop throwing out names like Obango, signs with Obama as a witch doctor or monkey, chain emails with Obama eating fried chicken and watermelon, and blog comments with all manner of vile racist content.

I've never done any of those things so surely you are not stroking with that broad of a brush palimango?

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Bagua Sun, May 9, 2010 8:00:15pm

re: #586 Sigma_x

Alright, folks - FOREX trading has just begun, and the Euro has gapped up against the dollar a pretty healthy amount. Which is a good thing.

I don't know if any of you are aware, but what goes on through the night in Asian markets and with major currencies around the world have very significant consequences for our own economy.

If Asia and Europe crash before the market opens here, we really could be looking at another Black-Monday situation that will be talked about for the next 100 years.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

You fancy yourself some-sort of blog Cramer? The S&P is up 28 points and you're calling for a Black Monday?

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:02:28pm

re: #576 Gus 802

Congratulations on making 9 out of 10 bottom comments. You've earned it. Must be hard work being a delta bravo all the time.

Even if I knew what that meant, I still wouldn't give a fat baby's butt. I believe in the Bob Fosse theory of reviews ... "don't read'em."

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 8:03:55pm

re: #711 scrooster

I've never done any of those things so surely you are not stroking with that broad of a brush palimango?

Dude you call him "Obango" already on the thread.... your short term memory isn't so hot is it?

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:09:30pm

re: #702 WindUpBird

Michael Moore is not credible as a ~~political strategist~~ filmmaker. 8-)

FTFY.

I wanted to like Bowling for Columbine. I really did. I could see the beginnings of a great deconstruction of the culture of fear here in the States, and the media manipulation that keeps people scared rather than informing them of anything. Sadly, he ruined his own film with dumb theatrics and by making himself a part of the story.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:12:59pm

re: #588 Dark_Falcon

OK, fuckhead, let me explain something to you:

Alouette and SanFranciscoZionist are two of the nicest ladies you'll even meet. If they're mad at you, you've done something wrong. And if you insult them, the whole of the lizard army will unite against you. Shape up or flounce off!

You scare me. Now let me explain something to you fuckhead. Judging by the hero worship you received prior to your appearance, I'd say you have an grossly overblown narcissistic personality disorder as you sit their with your flabby little punk @$$ droopy beer-gut hanging over your soiled and stenchy, and at one time white, bikini bvds. But you see, I know your type - you're just another Internet loser to me. One that has never really achieved anything other than being revered by a bunch of people who really do not know you. So, you see, if you want to debate or argue or whatever, that's fine, bring it on. You may actually convince me of something or other before it is over. But if you want to threaten me with your Dark Falconese ... then know in advance that I am laughing at you. Okay? :) Thank you. Let's move on shall we?

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:13:20pm

re: #688 Varek Raith

Looking like Obama's gonna get another term.

Even I'm not ready to make that prediction, and I voted for the guy.

I think it will all come down to the economy in 2012. If people feel like we're doing better, and the GOP run a Tea Party loony or otherwise overreach on the TP rhetoric, then he wins a second term. If things are lousy at the time, he loses.

Hell, I don't think the Rs are going gain anywhere near the seats they think they're going to get in November.

They're definitely going to gain seats, that's for sure. However, if a lot of far right TP types start showing up more and more and bringing teh crazeh, their gains won't be as big as the GOP would like.

718

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, May 9, 2010 8:16:16pm

re: #716 scrooster

Wow. Your ability to find the nicest people on this blog and throw feces at them like a monkey in a cage is amazing.

You are wrong all the way around.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:17:01pm

re: #602 Dark_Falcon

Yep. This one is a proud awardee of the Bronze Cow And Fan, awarded by the Oathkeepers for excellence in shit-stirring.

Wow ... go figure. I am actually a member of Oath Keepers. A proud organization we are too I must say. You have a good eye DF.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 8:17:19pm

re: #716 scrooster

Hey scrooster, don't hold it back, tell us how you really feel.
///

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:17:40pm

re: #716 scrooster

Because really, the best way to get along when you're new to a blog is by insulting long-time members and acting like a total jerk.

You might have registered yesterday, but I don't think you'll be here much longer at the rate you're going.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 8:20:03pm

re: #718 EmmmieG

Wow. Your ability to find the nicest people on this blog and throw feces at them like a monkey in a cage is amazing.

You are wrong all the way around.

Please encourage him, Emmie. This is a troll with staying power. He's told us he'll be here for years.

I welcome that.

A troll in a cage, whom we can fatten up like a fois gras goose!

It's been a long time since I could look forward to such a feast.

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Bagua Sun, May 9, 2010 8:21:42pm

re: #716 scrooster

Nope, Darkfalcon is good people, and his comment was spot on, SFZ and Alouette are two of the nicest and most civil posters here.

Please apologise and calm down.

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Cato the Elder Sun, May 9, 2010 8:21:47pm

re: #721 Lidane

Because really, the best way to get along when you're new to a blog is by insulting long-time members and acting like a total jerk.

You might have registered yesterday, but I don't think you'll be here much longer at the rate you're going.

Oh, Charles, please let us play with him a while!

An Oathkeeper™!

I would like to pick his brain.

Slowly.

725

Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, May 9, 2010 8:22:05pm

re: #722 Cato the Elder

Please encourage him, Emmie. This is a troll with staying power. He's told us he'll be here for years.

I welcome that.

A troll in a cage, whom we can fatten up like a fois gras goose!

It's been a long time since I could look forward to such a feast.

Fine, throw him some gizzards and bones.

But if he goes after people like Alouette and Reine, he's going to get his nose rubbed in his own feces.

726

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:25:11pm

re: #611 Dark_Falcon

Question for the group:

If you waterboard a teabagger, does the water turn into tea?

/;)

ROFLMAO! Gotta love that one! That is strong! I like your self-esteem deficient sorry @$$ already DF. You remind me of the sperm chunker in Silence of the Lambs. Ugly, pathetic, sickening ... but somehow funny.

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:26:21pm

re: #724 Cato the Elder

An Oathkeeper™!

I would like to pick his brain.

Oathkeepers have brains?

728

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:27:01pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Now, Charles is the legend. I've been a fan of his for years .... seriously.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:27:47pm

re: #728 scrooster

Now, Charles is the legend. I've been a fan of his for years ... seriously.

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed, after his nap!

730

reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 8:29:00pm

re: #725 EmmmieG

Fine, throw him some gizzards and bones.

But if he goes after people like Alouette and Reine, he's going to get his nose rubbed in his own feces.

And SFZ, and Dark Falcon.
He's an equal opportunity idiot.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 8:30:40pm

re: #719 scrooster

Wow ... go figure. I am actually a member of ~~Oath~~ Oaf Keepers. A proud organization

FTFY

732

sagehen Sun, May 9, 2010 8:31:44pm

re: #727 Lidane

Oathkeepers have brains?

Top condition, never used.

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Querent Sun, May 9, 2010 8:31:55pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

and i will always upding Ton Lehrer!

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:34:52pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't get your panties all in a wad sanfranzionist ... I was just giving you what you wanted. It was the only way I was going to get all you left wingnuts to stfu about what I refer to the anointed one as obango.

You know, I've got these really really really good friends in Frisco, a gay couple ... she's a doctor, her partner is a fitness guru. Got these other really good friends out there ... musicians. I'll not name drop because that's not really fair, but I suspect you'd know them as they are quite well known. Love visiting out there. I have to laugh at the thought of how hard they would laugh if they knew some were referring to me as a racist. It would be ... funny to them, as it is to me. There is this preacher down in Atlanta. My wife and I attended his church one time while visiting there with friends. Dr. Manning ... he refers to Obama as, "that long legged mack daddy." I ask you - is Dr. Manning a racist?

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:36:31pm

re: #734 scrooster

Sexism and racism are two different things, in case you didn't know...

736

erraticsphinx Sun, May 9, 2010 8:37:27pm

re: #734 scrooster

I bet you even let all of those people use your bathrooms!

737

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:38:39pm

re: #653 Dark_Falcon

Nahhhh - just had to take the wife and kids and grandkids out to dinner and a movie. Chicago Uno and Ironman 2 - a fine fine Sunday evening.

738

b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 8:40:15pm

re: #734 scrooster

Don't get your panties all in a wad sanfranzionist ... I was just giving you what you wanted. It was the only way I was going to get all you left wingnuts to stfu about what I refer to the anointed one as obango.

You know, I've got these really really really good friends in Frisco, a gay couple ... she's a doctor, her partner is a fitness guru. Got these other really good friends out there ... musicians. I'll not name drop because that's not really fair, but I suspect you'd know them as they are quite well known. Love visiting out there. I have to laugh at the thought of how hard they would laugh if they knew some were referring to me as a racist. It would be ... funny to them, as it is to me. There is this preacher down in Atlanta. My wife and I attended his church one time while visiting there with friends. Dr. Manning ... he refers to Obama as, "that long legged mack daddy." I ask you - is Dr. Manning a racist?

Name dropping without mentioning names, I'm impressed. Sounds like we have a real 'Trailer Park Boys' level intellect here.

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:40:39pm

re: #734 scrooster

"It is a good thing to follow the First Law of Holes: if you are in one, stop digging."

740

jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 8:41:34pm

re: #739 Lidane

It's not really a hole, it's a huge pile.

741

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:42:33pm

re: #739 Lidane

"It is a good thing to follow the First Law of Holes: if you are in one, stop digging."

But, if you are a True Troll, dig harder & faster. You might *cough* convert someone to your point of view.
NOT!

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:42:36pm

re: #740 jaunte

It's not really a hole, it's a huge pile.

What he's shoveling? Yeah. It's a pile of something, all right. And it reeks.

Still, some people just don't know when to stop digging, and they need to be reminded once in a while.

743

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:42:37pm

re: #659 SteveC

She's earning a paycheck - but she does have a lot more talent. West Wing proved that.

West Wing ... I should'uv known. That's where you lefties migrated to during your imaginary "we're still in control after Slick Willy" years while Bush was busy frakken-up things, correct? Seriously, it was your escape, having Martin Sheen run the country and all.

(Note to self, you're in the incurable ward of the insane asylum - watch your six.)

744

jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 8:42:37pm

re: #739 Lidane

"It is a good thing to follow the First Law of Holes: if you are in one, stop digging."

What those fools don't realize is that if I keep at it a little longer I'm bound to reach China!

745

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:44:32pm

re: #720 Reginald Perrin

Hey, didn't you borrow a Troll hammer earlier today?
Pretty please use it on this one, if it'll work!
TIA!

746

reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 8:45:50pm

Scrooster And Companion

747

jvic Sun, May 9, 2010 8:46:32pm

re: #464 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, to hell with Gramsci. Two people even remember who the hell he was. Old-school commies, and the wingnuts who KNOW THE TRUTH.

SFZ (cc: Lidane), excuse me for not giving the extended response your comment warrants, but it's late here.

IMO the thought leaders on the right and left know who Gramsci was. Per Bagua in his discussion with Nimed in the latest Spillane post, IMO it's worth knowing the intellectual history even if the history is not directly topical.

If not Gramsci, how about Joseph Schumpeter?

Schumpeter's theory is that the success of capitalism will lead to a form of corporatism and a fostering of values hostile to capitalism, especially among intellectuals. The intellectual and social climate needed to allow entrepreneurship to thrive will not exist in advanced capitalism; it will be replaced by socialism in some form. There will not be a revolution, but merely a trend in parliaments to elect social democratic parties of one stripe or another. He argued that capitalism's collapse from within will come about as democratic majorities vote for the creation of a welfare state and place restrictions upon entrepreneurship that will burden and destroy the capitalist structure. Schumpeter emphasizes throughout this book that he is analyzing trends, not engaging in political advocacy. In his vision, the intellectual class will play an important role in capitalism's demise. The term "intellectuals" denotes a class of persons in a position to develop critiques of societal matters for which they are not directly responsible and able to stand up for the interests of strata to which they themselves do not belong. One of the great advantages of capitalism, he argues, is that as compared with pre-capitalist periods, when education was a privilege of the few, more and more people acquire (higher) education. The availability of fulfilling work is however limited and this, coupled with the experience of unemployment, produces discontent. The intellectual class is then able to organise protest and develop critical ideas.

Schumpeter ("creative destruction") approved of capitalism but feared that it would be undermined by its very success.

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b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 8:47:24pm

re: #734 scrooster

You know, I've got these really really really good friends in Frisco, a gay couple ... she's a doctor, her partner is a fitness guru.

Gee, I just about missed the all important "really, really, really (3 no less) good gay friends", 'innocence by association' argument. Next thing you know, he'll be passing that innocence on to all his anti-gay buddies by 'association'.

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scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:47:38pm

re: #666 Dark_Falcon

Their dick are only limp right now. They stand up when Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter come into view,

::::::::::: sarcasm on ::::::::::::
That's true you know. It is a well known fact that Conservative women are far more attractive than liberal women - especially as they grow older. Just look at Janeane Garofalo and Rosie O'Donnell ... dogs, total mutts and quite typical of most liberal females in the looks department.
::::::::::: sarcasm off ::::::::::::

.... had to do the sarcasm toggles just in case the wife happens to read this.

750

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:48:20pm

re: #743 scrooster

So, would your Mom approve of how you are behaving?

751

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:49:36pm

re: #668 Thanos

Yes, it's the tiniest salute you ever saw is what I heard...

Thongnogos ... I have no doubt that you have seen your share up close and personally. Of that I am absolutely certain.

752

reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 8:49:58pm

re: #750 Floral Giraffe

So, would your Mom approve of how you are behaving?

Or the wife, or the sister, or the daughter . . .

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:50:08pm

re: #747 jvic

Gramsci and Schumpeter are both new to me. I've never heard of either of them. Looks like I have some reading in my future. Heh.

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b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 8:50:27pm

re: #750 Floral Giraffe

So, would your Mom approve of how you are behaving?

I'm sure she's used to having him leave the contents of his skull all over the place. Probably feeds it to the dog.

755

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:51:08pm

re: #751 scrooster

LOL!
Engage the current conversation?
NO! Incapable. Must answer every previous post!
The stupid is strong in this one.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 8:51:49pm

re: #745 Floral Giraffe

re: #720 Reginald Perrin

Hey, didn't you borrow a Troll hammer earlier today?
Pretty please use it on this one, if it'll work!

They are called whack a troll ™ mallets and I own a complete set.

I'm rather reluctant to nail this troll with a heavy mallet, he's so full of shit it would create one awful smelly mess.

757

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:52:56pm

re: #684 Dark_Falcon

Jokes aside, if any political figure was likely to survive a zombie apocalypse it would be Sarah Palin. She's a good shot and can live off the land. Sadly, that would mean if the zombies were beaten back, she'd be in charge. Being lead by Sarah Palin would be better than being a zombie, but not by too much.

Wow wow wow ... no Michelle Maulkin digs yet? Y'all are really terrified of Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin are you not? I mean it shows.

This has been an enlightening experience for me. I cannot wait to report back to central command what I have learned here today/tonight. It has been an education.

758

Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 8:53:48pm

re: #757 scrooster

It has been an education.

Glad you are FINALLY getting one!

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Lidane Sun, May 9, 2010 8:54:08pm

re: #756 Reginald Perrin

They are called whack a troll ™ mallets and I own a complete set.

I'm rather reluctant to nail this troll with a heavy mallet, he's so full of shit it would create one awful smelly mess.

That's what the Tantalus field is for.

/Trek nerd

760

b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 8:55:24pm

re: #756 Reginald Perrin

They are called whack a troll ™ mallets and I own a complete set.

I'm rather reluctant to nail this troll with a heavy mallet, he's so full of shit it would create one awful smelly mess.

I'd be afraid of bending the handle with this one, the shit is thicker than normal.

761

scrooster Sun, May 9, 2010 8:55:55pm

re: #693 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey. You mess with the bull, you get the horns...

I would imagine that you've probably "gotten a few horns" in your life lady. :) That's not to take anything away from your basic goodness and sweetness though, I'm sure.

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b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 9:00:39pm

re: #757 scrooster

Wow wow wow ... no Michelle Maulkin digs yet? Y'all are really terrified of Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin are you not? I mean it shows.

This has been an enlightening experience for me. I cannot wait to report back to central command what I have learned here today/tonight. It has been an education.

Afraid of Coulter and Palin? No more than we're afraid of Minnie Mouse. You seem to be afraid of reality though, hiding behind the frilly dresses of two underpowered right-wing intellectual giants.

763

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 9, 2010 9:05:40pm

Behold the power of cheese.

764

Soap_Man Sun, May 9, 2010 9:05:55pm

re: #757 scrooster

Wow wow wow ... no Michelle Maulkin digs yet? Y'all are really terrified of Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin are you not? I mean it shows.

This has been an enlightening experience for me. I cannot wait to report back to central command what I have learned here today/tonight. It has been an education.

wow wow wow.

wow-wow wow.

wow wow-wowwy wow wow.

wow.

765

reine.de.tout Sun, May 9, 2010 9:06:14pm

re: #764 Soap_Man

wow wow wow.

wow-wow wow.

wow wow-wowwy wow wow.

wow.

Wow.

766

Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, May 9, 2010 9:07:20pm

re: #757 scrooster

Doesn't she spell her name, Malkin??

767

Charles Johnson Sun, May 9, 2010 9:07:46pm

This is getting repetitious and very tedious now. The troll has been bounced.

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Reginald Perrin Sun, May 9, 2010 9:07:49pm

re: #761 scrooster

What is it that you are trying to accomplish here today?

You came here loaded for bear, kicked down the door and unloaded with your first comment.

You've insulted three of the nicest bloggers on this site and your last comment to SFZ crossed the line.

I am glad Charles didn't ban you earlier today thus allowing you to come back and further make a fool of yourself. Your kind doesn't belong here, why don't you pack it in and go back to the sewer you crawled out of and let the sane people post in peace?

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sagehen Sun, May 9, 2010 9:08:22pm

re: #734 scrooster

You know, I've got these really really really good friends in Frisco, a gay couple ... she's a doctor, her partner is a fitness guru. Got these other really good friends out there ... musicians. I'll not name drop because that's not really fair, but I suspect you'd know them as they are quite well known. Love visiting out there.

If they were really your really really really good friends, and you really have other really good friends out there, and love visiting out there... you wouldn't call it Frisco.

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pingjockey Sun, May 9, 2010 9:08:24pm

Well crap.

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jaunte Sun, May 9, 2010 9:08:25pm

re: #766 Cannadian Club Akbar

Doesn't she spell her name, Malkin??

He's had his spell check sterylized.

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b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 9:09:16pm

re: #761 scrooster

I would imagine that you've probably "gotten a few horns" in your life lady. :) That's not to take anything away from your basic goodness and sweetness though, I'm sure.

Predictable and common insults. I suggest you go back to the right-wing web site you memorized them from and try to get past chapter one. We're all quite familiar with trolls regurgitating what they learned at 'Remedial Insults for the Incompetent'.

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pingjockey Sun, May 9, 2010 9:09:40pm

re: #769 sagehen
My aunt was a stewardess for United Airlines and had a fit if I called San Francisco "Frisco".

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 9:09:56pm

re: #761 scrooster

You came in here ugly and you just gotten worse. You sir, are the worst insulter I have ever seen. Get thee to the Stalker Blog. That place is more your style. You've had your fun here, now please FOAD.

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jamesfirecat Sun, May 9, 2010 9:10:13pm

Well folks I haven't got the energy to stay up any later so I'm for bed, just keep in mind that I was the first one to respond to this troll's post, so when it comes to all the fun you had at his expense you can thank me for luring him out from under his bridge!

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #767 Charles

This is getting repetitious and very tedious now. The troll has been bounced.

Thank you Charles.

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b_sharp Sun, May 9, 2010 9:10:53pm

re: #767 Charles

This is getting repetitious and very tedious now. The troll has been bounced.

Charles, I just started. :(

OK, I'll go upstairs.

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Dancing along the light of day Sun, May 9, 2010 9:12:11pm

re: #767 Charles

Hooray!

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sagehen Sun, May 9, 2010 9:14:45pm

re: #684 Dark_Falcon

Jokes aside, if any political figure was likely to survive a zombie apocalypse it would be Sarah Palin. She's a good shot and can live off the land. Sadly, that would mean if the zombies were beaten back, she'd be in charge. Being lead by Sarah Palin would be better than being a zombie, but not by too much.

Is there any actual evidence that Sarah Palin is a good shot?

Moose are very large, they don't move, really if you can hit the broad side of a barn that's skill enough.

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jvic Sun, May 9, 2010 9:15:37pm

re: #753 Lidane

Gramsci and Schumpeter are both new to me. I've never heard of either of them. Looks like I have some reading in my future. Heh.

I'm glad they're of interest. My cunning plan: I don't have in-depth knowledge of either, but I expect you'll share what you learn.

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Dark_Falcon Sun, May 9, 2010 9:23:26pm

re: #779 sagehen

Is there any actual evidence that Sarah Palin is a good shot?

Moose are very large, they don't move, really if you can hit the broad side of a barn that's skill enough.

Moose are actually faster than humans and they're very strong, so you have to hit them from longer range. And long range shooting is evidence of proficiency.

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