South Carolina Primary Thread

The South will vote again
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Here’s a thread to keep up on breaking news from South Carolina, where it looks like a former Speaker of the House who was forced to resign in disgrace is going to be the choice of the Republican Party…

UPDATE at 1/21/12 5:11:19 pm

And there we have it — Mitt Romney has conceded the South Carolina primary to Newt Gingrich. Apparently, 73% of the votes for Gingrich came from evangelicals, who are oddly unconcerned about Newt’s sleazy, very “liberal” personal life. But at least he’s not a Satanic Mormon.

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496 comments
1 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:41:50pm

You definitely called the inevitability of Romney a bit early. This year has been completely crazy. Combine that with the fact that delegates are being assigned perportionally until April I believe, and we could have a close primary season for months.

2 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:42:23pm

LOLGOP LOLGOP
Mitt Romney is still up by 13% in the Cayman Islands.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:43:20pm

re: #1 Alexzander

You definitely called the inevitability of Romney a bit early. This year has been completely crazy. Combine that with the fact that delegates are being assigned perportionally until April I believe, and we could have a close primary season for months.

Nope, I still think Romney’s nomination is inevitable.

4 elizajane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:44:07pm

Linking back to the previous thread:

“Given what South Carolina did tonight to keep a black man in office, I think they’ve atoned for any previous racism.”

twitter.com

When your party has used fury, hatred, and misrepresentation incessantly for three solid years, your electorate ends up rewarding angry demagogues. However, I expect the Republican machine to come down on Newt very, very hard over the next week. He was supposed to be useful to them. Winning the nomination would not, in fact, be useful.

5 thatthatisis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:45:28pm

After this, Romney had better release his tax returns, or stay home.

Those tax returns must be really, really interesting. It’s already rumored he pays less than 15%; and it’s already out that he parks money offshore. So what else could they show that’s worse than that?

6 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:45:57pm

Fox talking heads loving Newt for ‘standing up’ to mainstream media/John King.

7 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:46:11pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope, I still think Romney’s nomination is inevitable.

As do I. I just think it’s going to take longer, which only helps Obama as the GOP spends weeks/months tearing each other to bits on live TV. A drawn out, contentious primary season and the potential for a contested convention is the GOP’s worst nightmare this year.

8 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:46:14pm

re: #3 Charles

I don’t know, I see a path for Gingrich, much more so than for Santorum or Paul.

9 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:46:28pm

Apparently South Carolinians love someone doing the alpha male thing…

How did Herman Cain/Steven Colbert do?

10 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:46:40pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope, I still think Romney’s nomination is inevitable.

It should be. The fact that Romney has not yet buried this incredibly weak field speaks volumes about what a weak candidate he himself is.

11 elizajane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:47:34pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope, I still think Romney’s nomination is inevitable.

Republicans are now stuck with either a weak and damaged candidate, or a brokered convention. I think that the higher-ups have been watching Mitt over the past few days and getting quite nervous about what they had set up as inevitable.
BTW, only 22% of Evangelicals in SC voted Mitt, according to the exit polls. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

12 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:47:39pm

re: #9 calochortus

Apparently South Carolinians love someone doing the alpha male thing…

How did Herman Cain/Steven Colbert do?

They probably won’t even count any votes for Cain since he withdrew from the race.

13 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:47:46pm

re: #5 thatthatisis

Those tax returns must be really, really interesting. It’s already rumored he pays less than 15%; and it’s already out that he parks money offshore. So what else could they show that’s worse than that?

LOLGOP LOLGOP
If Newt Gingrich’s past is less embarrassing than your tax return, you are the .0001%.

14 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:48:39pm

re: #12 aagcobb

Maybe not, but inquiring minds want to know.

15 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:48:50pm

re: #3 Charles

Nope, I still think Romney’s nomination is inevitable.

That’s bold but I think you are probably right as Romney doesn’t have as many skeletons in his closet to derail him in the coming months. He is sitting at 66.6 percent likelihood of winning the nomination on Intrade right now heh.

16 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:49:27pm

re: #11 elizajane

Republicans are now stuck with either a weak and damaged candidate, or a brokered convention. I think that the higher-ups have been watching Mitt over the past few days and getting quite nervous about what they had set up as inevitable.
BTW, only 22% of Evangelicals in SC voted Mitt, according to the exit polls. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

The adulterer has repented and been forgiven, whereas Romney is still a hell-bound satanist. Big difference to evangelicals.

17 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:50:10pm

re: #11 elizajane

. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

Sure. Anyone could just sort of fall into sin (adultery) and you can be forgiven for that. Heresy? Not so much.

18 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:50:32pm

re: #11 elizajane

Republicans are now stuck with either a weak and damaged candidate, or a brokered convention. I think that the higher-ups have been watching Mitt over the past few days and getting quite nervous about what they had set up as inevitable.
BTW, only 22% of Evangelicals in SC voted Mitt, according to the exit polls. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

Erick Erikson was just talking about that. According to the polls, more conservative voters went with Gingrich by a wide margin.
Erik son of Erik’s excuse? “Romney isn’t Mormon enough!”

19 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:50:50pm

re: #16 aagcobb

Great minds obviously think alike :-)

20 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:51:25pm

re: #15 Alexzander

That’s bold but I think you are probably right as Romney doesn’t have as many skeletons in his closet to derail him in the coming months. He is sitting at 66.6 percent likelihood of winning the nomination on Intrade right now heh.

Florida should work for Romney because its the 1st big state with expensive media markets. However, the Gingrich superpac will help even things up, and Gingrich eats Romney’s lunch in debates.

21 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:52:56pm

re: #20 aagcobb

At least the average Florida voter should be old enough to remember Newt as Speaker and his problems there.

22 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:53:13pm

@sarahposner
Most important candidate quality “strong moral character,” Newt wins 5% of those voters, Romney 20%, Santorum 38%
cnn.com

23 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:54:03pm

73% of the votes for Gingrich came from evangelicals.

Who are curiously unconcerned about his very liberal personal life.

24 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:54:32pm

Most important candidate quality “Can Defeat Obama,” Newt wins 51% of those voters, Romney 37%, Santorum 8%

25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:54:42pm

re: #5 thatthatisis

After this, Romney had better release his tax returns, or stay home.

Those tax returns must be really, really interesting. It’s already rumored he pays less than 15%; and it’s already out that he parks money offshore. So what else could they show that’s worse than that?

If he releases 10 years worth, like other candidates, I’d say the donations to Planned Parenthood and the Log Cabin Republicans might me problematic.

//

26 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:55:50pm

re: #11 elizajane

Republicans are now stuck with either a weak and damaged candidate, or a brokered convention. I think that the higher-ups have been watching Mitt over the past few days and getting quite nervous about what they had set up as inevitable.
BTW, only 22% of Evangelicals in SC voted Mitt, according to the exit polls. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

of course it is. Evangelicals think Mormons are a depraved cult

27 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:56:00pm

re: #24 jaunte

Most important candidate quality “Can Defeat Obama,” Newt wins 51% of those voters, Romney 37%, Santorum 8%

It is quite interesting. I suspect it has to do with Republican insecurity about the ‘intelligence’ of their party. Hence the total inability of Perry to get his campaign rebooted, despite being the closest to “Generic Republican.”

28 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:56:04pm

re: #21 calochortus

At least the average Florida voter should be old enough to remember Newt as Speaker and his problems there.

Actually, old Republicans fondly remember Gingrich leading the GOP takeover of the House and impeaching Clinton.

29 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:56:48pm

re: #23 Charles

73% of the votes for Gingrich came from evangelicals.

Who are curiously unconcerned about his very liberal personal life.

Because the evangelicals would apparently walk on their hands and knees through hot coals and broken glass to vote for anyone but a Mormon.

30 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:57:02pm

re: #24 jaunte

Most important candidate quality “Can Defeat Obama,” Newt wins 51% of those voters, Romney 37%, Santorum 8%

Can’t…breathe…laughing…too…hard…

31 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:57:23pm

re: #27 Alexzander

It is quite interesting. I suspect it has to do with Republican insecurity about the ‘intelligence’ of their party. Hence the total inability of Perry to get his campaign rebooted, despite being the closest to “Generic Republican.”

Can defeat Obama= The person who will do the best job of calling him a ni**** without calling him a ni****.

32 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:58:07pm

re: #11 elizajane

Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon?

Yes. Evangelicals consider Mormons a cult that is barely a half-step above Satanist. They consider LDS to be irredeemable heretics. They’d absolutely vote for a serial adulterer before a Mormon.

Can a Republican win without the evangelicals?

If the GOP nominates Romney we’ll find out the answer.

33 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:58:23pm

Romney out on stage to let his “supporters” know where their respective buses are for the ride home.

34 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:58:42pm

re: #28 aagcobb

Actually, old Republicans fondly remember Gingrich leading the GOP takeover of the House and impeaching Clinton.

And shutting down the government and holding up their checks…

35 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:59:40pm

re: #27 Alexzander

Newt wins for “which candidate best embodies your nasty mood?”

36 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:59:45pm

re: #24 jaunte

Most important candidate quality “Can Defeat Obama,” Newt wins 51% of those voters, Romney 37%, Santorum 8%

Man, they’re really fooling themselves into think that Newt’s gonna be let anywhere near the general election; I’ll wager there’ll be a brokered convention before that happens.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

37 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:00:14pm

re: #26 WindUpBird

OT: Look what I found on jezebel - identity theft? ;)

38 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:00:18pm

re: #11 elizajane

Republicans are now stuck with either a weak and damaged candidate, or a brokered convention. I think that the higher-ups have been watching Mitt over the past few days and getting quite nervous about what they had set up as inevitable.
BTW, only 22% of Evangelicals in SC voted Mitt, according to the exit polls. Is it really possible that they prefer a serial adulterer to a Mormon? Can a Republican win without the evangelicals? Interesting questions for the Christianist right.

This is only a question if you are still confused or in denial about how far and how deep their prejudice goes. Adultery is forgivable, being a member of the wrong tribe is not.

39 justaminute  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:01:39pm

Rumor has it that the Romney camp sent the Gingrich camp a cake today celebratin­g that today is the 15th anniversar­y of Gingrich’s ethics violation charges. Heh

40 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:01:43pm

Mitt can take some comfort knowing he won the $200,000+ demographic by a wide margin.

Christina Bellantoni

41 BishopX  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:02:45pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

Wrong gender, wrong ocean….not enough metal references.

42 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:03:30pm

Even Romney’s family is getting bored with this

43 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:03:33pm

re: #39 justaminute

Rumor has it that the Romney camp sent the Gingrich camp a cake today celebratin­g that today is the 15th anniversar­y of Gingrich’s ethics violation charges. Heh

Romney’s new tactic, which we might see at the next debate, is to respond to Newt’s calls for his tax returns by demanding he release the thousands of pages still locked up about the ethics charges against him.

44 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:03:46pm

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Gingrich says he got a call from Obama: “He stopped laughing just long enough to say congratulations.”

45 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:03:55pm

Jesus God. FOX exit polls are reporting that Newt won married women. Apparently Republican women are as insane as Republican men. Was Dr. Ablow right?

thinkprogress.org

46 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:03:59pm

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

Can defeat Obama= The person who will do the best job of calling him a ni*** without calling him a ni***.

Pretty much…

47 blueraven  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:04:35pm

It is so comforting that Mitt knows exactly how/what Obama thinks./

He is a premier jerk. No wonder he lost. Plastic man talking about the Soul of America. What a joke.

48 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:05:10pm

re: #47 blueraven

In other words, a Ken doll?

49 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:05:16pm

re: #42 SpaceJesus

Even Romney’s family is getting bored with this

LOL!

50 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:05:53pm

re: #45 moderatelyradicalliberal

Jesus God. FOX exit polls are reporting that Newt won married women. Apparently Republican women are as insane as Republican men. Was Dr. Ablow right?

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

Does Newt have the Kavorka?

(probably didn’t spell that right…)

51 Stanley Sea  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:05:53pm

re: #23 Charles

73% of the votes for Gingrich came from evangelicals.

Who are curiously unconcerned about his very liberal personal life.

It all comes down to hating that black man.

52 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:05:57pm

So, when Santorum withdraws, will he endorse Romney in hopes of getting the VP slot?

53 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:06:16pm

re: #47 blueraven

It is so comforting that Mitt knows exactly how/what Obama thinks./

He is a premier jerk. No wonder he lost. Plastic man talking about the Soul of America. What a joke.

Come on now, Mitt’s seen the real streets of America!

///

54 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:06:38pm

re: #45 moderatelyradicalliberal

Jesus God. FOX exit polls are reporting that Newt won married women. Apparently Republican women are as insane as Republican men. Was Dr. Ablow right?

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

Some women love “bad boys”; remember the whole Clinton “power crackling from his jeans” and the like?

55 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:07:23pm

Romney looks like he wants to cry.

56 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:07:42pm

re: #54 talon_262

Some women love “bad boys”; remember the whole Clinton “power crackling from his jeans” and the like?

So that’s what they call it now.

57 BishopX  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:08:02pm

re: #52 aagcobb

My guess is he’s going to endorse gingrich unless gingrich is losing badly… Santourom (and paul for that matter) are both doing well enough they will have delegates to pledge.

58 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:08:24pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

Romney looks like he wants to cry.

Mitt can cry?

59 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:08:45pm

what a romneybotic concession speech

60 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:09:53pm

re: #58 JasonA

Mitt can cry?

the Wind Cries Mitt…
Youtube Video

61 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:10:13pm

re: #58 JasonA

Mitt can cry?

I don’t know if that app has been uploaded onto Romneybot yet.

62 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:10:46pm

re: #58 JasonA

Mitt can cry?

He’s like the Terminator, the computer in his head is a learning computer. He can observe human behavior and imitate it somewhat. He can’t cry, but he knows the circumstances under which people do cry and the faces that they make.

63 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:11:25pm

re: #37 publicityStunted

OT: Look what I found on jezebel - identity theft? ;)

It ain’t me! I don’t have a gawker account, and even if I did, the only gawker blog I’d comment on would be jalopnik :D

64 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:11:25pm

re: #58 JasonA

Mitt can cry?

“I know now why you cry…but it’s something I could never do.”

65 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:11:27pm

re: #54 talon_262

Some women love “bad boys”; remember the whole Clinton “power crackling from his jeans” and the like?

And then some of us just prefer to honor our marriage vows. Shockingly, I am a liberal and an atheist, so I’m doomed to eternal damnation. Oh well.

66 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:12:00pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

Romney looks like he wants to cry Boehner.

Fixed.

67 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:13:07pm

re: #54 talon_262

Some women love “bad boys”; remember the whole Clinton “power crackling from his jeans” and the like?

In Newt’s case, it’s more like “bad Grandaddy.”

68 Kragar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:13:16pm

Fucking hypocritical dumbass Evangelicals

69 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:13:50pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking hypocritical dumbass Evangelicals

that’s a penalty

70 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:13:54pm

This is fantastic! Brokered convention, here they come.

71 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:13:59pm

re: #8 ProLifeLiberal

I am not sure if there’s a path for Newt or not, but the longer the various candidates spend time and $$ bashing each other, the better it is for Obama.

72 elizajane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:14:03pm

re: #55 moderatelyradicalliberal

Romney looks like he wants to cry.

He didn’t just lose, he got slaughtered — right now, by 40% to 27%. And he knows that the 17% who voted for Santorum did it because they too despised him.
I actually feel a little bit sorry for him. Just a little. It’s embarrassing to be wiped out by such an obvious toad.

BTW, in a state that’s 28% black, 99% of the Republican primary voters were white. Where did that 1% come from??

73 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:14:13pm

re: #61 aagcobb

I don’t know if that app has been uploaded onto Romneybot yet.

Now I really want to ask Mitt what the weather will be like tomorrow…

74 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:14:28pm

re: #54 talon_262

Some women love “bad boys”; remember the whole Clinton “power crackling from his jeans” and the like?

Well some of us like men who can sing Al Green songs. ;)

wonkette.com

75 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:15:06pm

41-26 right now…Santorum’s only 9 points behind Romney. Come on Rick! Close the gap! Come in second tonight!

76 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:15:13pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking hypocritical dumbass Evangelicals

Remember Kragar, being faithful to your wife of many years doesn’t matter if you belong to a “cult,” unlike the fellow he’s running against that sees nothing wrong with screwing around behind two wives backs.

//

77 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:15:45pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well some of us like men who can sing Al Green songs. ;)

[Link: wonkette.com…]

so why do people hate Hendrix?

78 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:15:51pm

From Huffpost:

Santorum Speaks On Primary Race, Future Of Campaign

When asked why he didn’t “kick butt” himself, Santorum said he didn’t get the support he hoped for after officially winning the Iowa Caucus.

“We didn’t get the bump that we really hoped for out of Iowa. We did well, but we didn’t win,” Santorum said.

The former Pennsylvania senator credited rival Rick Perry dropping out as part of the reason for his ongoing “momentum.”

“These last few days, I think you’ll see, we picked up some momentum,” Santorum said.

“We felt like we did get some support out there and some lift, and we’re going to see that play out in a much bigger way as we go down the line,” Santorum said of his continuing campaign.

Loosely translated, “Looks like I’m going back to Pennsylvania.”

79 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:15:51pm

Evangelicals would normally shun someone with a history of sleazy affairs like Gingrich - but they were overcome by his grandiosity.

80 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:16:01pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well some of us like men who can sing Al Green songs. ;)

[Link: wonkette.com…]

I know we both are married and all, but, damn. It is so weird to be attracted to a national politician! Have you seen him wear a cowboy hat?

81 Robert O.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:16:46pm

Based on CNN exit polls, I am now ready to predict:

1. The “Open Marriage” Social Conservative: 40%
2. Corporations are People my friend: 27.5%
3. Frothy mixture: 18%
4. Turn back the clock 100 years: 13.5%

82 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:16:54pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking hypocritical dumbass Evangelicals

A paragon of family values already lives in the White House, but he’s a liberal and he’s black so it doesn’t count.

83 Kragar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:00pm

re: #79 Charles

Evangelicals would normally shun someone with a history of sleazy affairs like Gingrich - but they were overcome by his grandiosity.

“Newt’s the victim here” - Rush Limbaugh

84 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:03pm

re: #41 BishopX

Wrong gender, wrong ocean…not enough metal references.

Wears J.Crewe—fuggeddaboudit.

85 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:09pm

re: #76 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Remember Kragar, being faithful to your wife of many years doesn’t matter if you belong to a “cult,” unlike the fellow he’s running against that sees nothing wrong with screwing around behind two wives backs.

I think it’s more like the excuses they made for Bristol Palin. “She sinned but asked for the lord’s forgiveness so it’s all OK.”

86 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:12pm

re: #79 Charles

Evangelicals would normally shun someone with a history of sleazy affairs like Gingrich - but they were overcome by his grandiosity.

Which makes all their pearl-clutching and vapor-getting over Clinton’s own exploits so much rancid bullshit in hindsight. The GOP has ceased to be the party of “family values.”

87 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:13pm

Newt.

“The Most Interesting Man In Their World.”

88 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:20pm

re: #73 JasonA

Now I really want to ask Mitt what the weather will be like tomorrow…

“Global warming is fake, because Rush Limbaugh that’s why”

89 prairiefire  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:37pm

re: #79 Charles

Evangelicals would normally shun someone with a history of sleazy affairs like Gingrich - but they were overcome by his grandiosity.

Angry Newt!

90 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:17:52pm

re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking hypocritical dumbass Evangelicals

How dare you flaunt this aggressive reality.

91 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:18:50pm

re: #80 prairiefire

I know we both are married and all, but, damn. It is so weird to be attracted to a national politician! Have you seen him wear a cowboy hat?

Oh yeah. As a native Texan he pulled it off better then most.

Image: obama-in-cowboy-hat.jpg

92 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:19:15pm

re: #79 Charles

Evangelicals would normally shun someone with a history of sleazy affairs like Gingrich - but they were overcome by his grandiosity.

droolers, played like a fiddle…you have to wonder how this system will look like 40-50 years from now…moving into Heinlein like paradigms…celebrity worship

93 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:19:49pm

Does Ron Paul even understand the deficit

94 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:20:02pm

Paulians on Fox are excited; they’ll be peaking in 2036.

95 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:20:35pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

Does Ron Paul even understand the deficit

Ron Paul has his own deficit. He just doesn’t know it.

96 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:20:51pm

re: #86 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which makes all their pearl-clutching and vapor-getting over Clinton’s own exploits so much rancid bullshit in hindsight. The GOP has ceased to be the party of “family values.”

But they are still the party of slut shaming and gay bashing so they start with 40% of the vote in any given election.

97 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:21:07pm

Fed again… sigh

98 Kragar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:21:20pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

Does Ron Paul even understand the deficit

Sure, its all because we left the gold standard

99 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:21:46pm

re: #97 JasonA

Fed again… sigh

dessert?

100 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:22:12pm

re: #94 jaunte

Paulians on Fox are excited; they’ll be peaking in 2036.

New poll: Zombie Reagan vs Zombie Paul.

Who will win the Living Dead vote?

101 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:22:15pm

re: #96 moderatelyradicalliberal

But they are still the party of slut shaming and gay bashing so they start with 40% of the vote in any given election.

Very much so. **sigh**

102 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:22:27pm

My goodness, what is Ron Paul babbling about? Someone needs to call Adult Protective Services.

103 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:22:37pm

newt 41%
mitt 26%

newt isn’t beating mitt, he’s whuppin’ him

104 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:22:57pm

re: #100 BigPapa

New poll: Zombie Reagan vs Zombie Paul.

Who will win the Living Dead vote?

Zombie Jesus.

/

105 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:23:14pm

@MittRomney
Tonight, I congratulate Speaker Gingrich on a hard-fought campaign here in South Carolina.

106 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:23:14pm

The South will fall again. Hooray for the “noble” lost cause.

107 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:23:16pm

unemployment is 20%

108 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:11pm

Thank the Deity for TiVo, so I don’t have to suffer through all the candidate speeches.

109 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:14pm

re: #103 engineer dog

newt 41%
mitt 26%

newt isn’t beating mitt, he’s whuppin’ him

This level of whooping is bound to give Newt a lot of momentum going into Florida.

110 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:18pm

re: #103 engineer dog

newt 41%
mitt 26%

newt isn’t beating mitt, he’s whuppin’ him

On the real streets of America we call this a “curb stomp.”

111 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:31pm

re: #103 engineer dog

newt 41%
mitt 26%

newt isn’t beating mitt, he’s whuppin’ him

And Santorum is at 18%…only 8 points behind Mitt now….still 60% left to report. If Mitt can come in third…that would be heaven.

112 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:36pm

Cain just surpassed Perry by 200 votes.

113 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:24:46pm

Meanwhile back at the White House……..

Image: Obama-laughing-it-up.jpg

114 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:25:15pm

re: #102 moderatelyradicalliberal

My goodness, what is Ron Paul babbling about? Someone needs to call Adult Protective Services.

we need to get back on the imperial spanish reál standard

115 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:25:41pm

re: #72 elizajane

He didn’t just lose, he got slaughtered — right now, by 40% to 27%. And he knows that the 17% who voted for Santorum did it because they too despised him.
I actually feel a little bit sorry for him. Just a little. It’s embarrassing to be wiped out by such an obvious toad.

BTW, in a state that’s 28% black, 99% of the Republican primary voters were white. Where did that 1% come from??

Seoul.

116 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:26:19pm

re: #114 engineer dog

we need to get back on the imperial spanish reál standard

Screw that we need to go back to trading cowrie shells.

117 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:27:15pm

re: #111 darthstar

And Santorum is at 18%…only 8 points behind Mitt now…still 60% left to report. If Mitt can come in third…that would be heaven.

Even if Santorum doesn’t beat out Romney, that he’s within single digits of Romney says all we need to know, that Romney is still very much beatable and while he may eventually win the nomination, it will be a very bloody battle and will leave him in a very poor position to run against Obama this fall.

118 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:27:19pm

Paul needs to just realize that he had 90% of his support at “I’m fine with legalized marijuana” and just stop talking.

119 The Yankee  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:27:23pm

I still can not believe that Santorum has a chance to win this thing. I thought he was going to be one of the first to drop out.

Can some one confirm this for me. Santorum did win Iowa now and will get the delegates right, because of the recount?
So that means that Mitt has only won NH correct?

120 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:28:01pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

Screw that we need to go back to trading cowrie shells.

Nah, let’s put America on the bottlecap standard.

//

121 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:28:38pm

re: #119 The Yankee

I still can not believe that Santorum has a chance to win this thing. I thought he was going to be one of the first to drop out.

Can some one confirm this for me. Santorum did win Iowa now and will get the delegates right, because of the recount?
So that means that Mitt has only won NH correct?

He gets about half—they aren’t really committed, though.

122 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:28:42pm

(PNS reporting from the CAYMAN ISLANDS) Addressing complaints from English-speaking voters that his new Spanish-language Nosotros TV commercial was Greek to them, Gov. Mitt Romney’s campaign today released a subtitled version of the ad, available here for the first time as a POCHO exclusive video.


POCHO ÑEWS SERVICE PNS IS A WHOLLY-FICTITIOUS SUBSIDIARY OF THE POCHO CORPORATION, WHO IS A PERSON ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT. DON’T ASK US, WE JUST WORK HERE.


Youtube Video

123 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:28:51pm

Romney might stage a bit of a comeback as the votes come in. As is the American Tradition, the urban, aka “not crazy”, vote will come in the latest and might narrow the gap for Romney a little. He’ll still come in 2nd.

124 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:28:54pm

re: #72 elizajane

He didn’t just lose, he got slaughtered — right now, by 40% to 27%. And he knows that the 17% who voted for Santorum did it because they too despised him.
I actually feel a little bit sorry for him. Just a little. It’s embarrassing to be wiped out by such an obvious toad.

BTW, in a state that’s 28% black, 99% of the Republican primary voters were white.

The blacker the state, the whiter the Republican party.

125 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:29:08pm

re: #119 The Yankee

I still can not believe that Santorum has a chance to win this thing. I thought he was going to be one of the first to drop out.

Can some one confirm this for me. Santorum did win Iowa now and will get the delegates right, because of the recount?
So that means that Mitt has only won NH correct?

Iowa is proportional, so though Santorum had 39 more votes, he and Mitt will get the same number of delegates. But, yes, Mitt has only won NH.

126 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:29:36pm

re: #116 moderatelyradicalliberal

Screw that we need to go back to trading cowrie shells.

Or stone:

As no more disks are being produced or imported, this money supply is fixed. The islanders know who owns which piece but do not necessarily move them when ownership changes. Their size and weight (the largest ones require 20 adult men to carry) make them very difficult to move around. Although today the United States dollar is the currency used for everyday transactions in Yap, the stone disks are still used for more traditional or ceremonial exchange. The stone disks may change ownership during marriages, transfers of land title, or as compensation for damages suffered by an aggrieved party.
en.wikipedia.org

127 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:29:46pm

re: #121 Decatur Deb

He gets about half—they aren’t really committed, though.

Well, they should be!

[rimshot]

128 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:29:57pm

re: #118 SpaceJesus

Paul needs to just realize that he had 90% of his support at “I’m fine with legalized marijuana” and just stop talking.

So long as he leaves it at that. If he points out that decriminalizing it at the federal level does not mean the states will do so in kind, all the stoners will leave in droves.

129 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:31:11pm

The eyes of the people standing behind Paul are staring to glaze over.

130 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:31:28pm

re: #123 Charleston Chew

Romney might stage a bit of a comeback as the votes come in. As is the American Tradition, the urban, aka “not crazy”, vote will come in the latest and might narrow the gap for Romney a little. He’ll still come in 2nd.

He’s losing by 15%…he didn’t win New Hampshire by 15%. This is an ass-whupping. Pure and simple.

131 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:31:49pm

Romney is still likely to win. Better organization, more money, less of a bombastic loose cannon than Newt.

But this is hardly an impressive showing. He’s actually only 1-for-3 now, since the recount showed him losing narrowly to Santorum in Iowa.

Ultimately I think most republicans can read a poll, and thus realize that Newt’s way behind Obama in head to head national matchups, while Mitt runs very close. Moreover, Newt’s unfavorables are sky high with moderates and independents. Then again, a lot of tea partiers still want to purify the party by kicking out alleged RINOs like Mitt. And a lot of Republicans have convinced themselves that Gingrich is the second coming of Churchill and will thus destroy Obama in debates. (As if debates were normally that pivotal, which they’re not.)

132 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:32:25pm

oh thank god he’s done talking

133 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:33:32pm

“Steady growth…. one supporter at a time until I retire and publish newsletters again.”

134 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:33:44pm

re: #128 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So long as he leaves it at that. If he points out that decriminalizing it at the federal level does not mean the states will do so in kind, all the stoners will leave in droves.

that’s fine…there is an ocean of pot out there, might be best to leave it at that

135 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:34:15pm
@MexicanMitt Mexican Mitt Romney
TRANSLATION: “CHINGA TE GUEY!” RT @MittRomney: Tonight, I congratulate Speaker Gingrich on a hard-fought campaign here in South Carolina.
136 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:34:53pm

LGF has to keep this up for about 40 more TPGOP primaries. I’ve got to order a pallet of box wine.

137 calochortus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:35:38pm

re: #131 palomino

While I would never say ‘never’ about the eventual nominee, it seems to me there’s a lot of fantasy going on in the minds of many conservatives right now. It goes along with the idea that the birther lawsuit in GA will keep Obama off the ballot in the general election.

138 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:36:44pm

re: #70 prairiefire

This is fantastic! Brokered convention, here they come.

That would be hilarious. I’d actually subject myself to the fail of the Republican National Convention if it was brokered.

139 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:37:07pm

According to exit polls, SC Republicans do not believe that Willard can beat Obama.

They are right.

140 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:37:55pm

re: #139 moderatelyradicalliberal

According to exit polls, SC Republicans do not believe that Willard can beat Obama.

They are right.

But they think Newt CAN beat Obama, which means they’re also delusional.

141 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:38:39pm

I waded in over at Red State just now to see their comment threads dissing Romney as a “milquetoast moderate”.

Wow. Utterly different reality.

142 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:40:29pm

Santorum shows something Romney can’t…graciousness in defeat.

That’s what class looks like, Mitt…sure, Santorum’s still an asshole, but at least he understands common courtesy.

143 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:40:29pm

It’s to the President’s advantage that the Republican field contains no truly affable candidates. Intelligent, well-educated candidates like Gore got hurt by the jealous resentment of insecure lower-class whites which Bush took advantage of. None of the GOP field are of the would-like-to-have-a-beer-with variety, giving our somewhat-affable President the leeway to be more openly wonky.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:40:33pm

Let me, as a long-time conservative voter, give a nice banner headline for Matt Drudge…


“Well? Fuck.”

145 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:41:51pm

re: #140 Lidane

And speaking of delusional, the Freepers are hilarious as always:

freerepublic.com

146 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:42:42pm

re: #145 Lidane

And speaking of delusional, the Freepers are hilarious as always:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

Sarah Palin’s endorsement was Game Changer for Newt

LOL

147 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:42:54pm

re: #139 moderatelyradicalliberal

According to exit polls, SC Republicans do not believe that Willard can beat Obama.

They are right.

Which does not bode well for him in the general, as that feelings going to follow him all the way up to Election Day. If they don’t believe he can win, what’s motivating them to show up at the polls?

148 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:42:57pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

LGF has to keep this up for about 40 more TPGOP primaries. I’ve got to order a pallet of box wine.

In the Sheila Jackson Lee thread, engineer dog posted the Super Tuesday schedule:

March 6 (Super Tuesday) – Alaska, Georgia, Idaho, Massachusetts Republican caucuses, Minnesota Democratic caucuses, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia, Wyoming Republican caucuses

Based on tonight’s results, I can see Newt easily winning Alaska, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Virginia and the Wyoming caucuses.

There would be no way for Mitt to positively spin losing 6 out of 10.

I’d say order the wine. This thing’s got a long way to go.

149 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:43:24pm

re: #141 sprezzatura

I waded in over at Red State just now to see their comment threads dissing Romney as a “milquetoast moderate”.

Wow. Utterly different reality.

They don’t call it RedState for nothing. They can’t stand Romney, who governed as a moderate in a blue state. Much as Obama has governed as a moderate in a deeply divided purple country.

150 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:43:45pm

re: #148 BongCrodny

In the Sheila Jackson Lee thread, engineer dog posted the Super Tuesday schedule:

Based on tonight’s results, I can see Newt easily winning Alaska, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Virginia and the Wyoming caucuses.

There would be no way for Mitt to positively spin losing 6 out of 10.

I’d say order the wine. This thing’s got a long way to go.

Newt isn’t on the ballot in Va. Only Romney and Paul are.

151 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:44:09pm

re: #148 BongCrodny

Gingrich isn’t on the Virginia Ballot.

Only Paul and Romney.

I half-expect Paul to get Virginia.

152 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:44:31pm

re: #148 BongCrodny

Newt’s not on the ballot in VA.

153 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:44:43pm

re: #148 BongCrodny

In the Sheila Jackson Lee thread, engineer dog posted the Super Tuesday schedule:

Based on tonight’s results, I can see Newt easily winning Alaska, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Virginia and the Wyoming caucuses.

There would be no way for Mitt to positively spin losing 6 out of 10.

I’d say order the wine. This thing’s got a long way to go.

He can’t win Virginia, because he’s not on the ballot. Insert joke here about he spent his time looking for wife # 4 instead of getting the paperwork in on time.

154 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:44:47pm

re: #143 Charleston Chew

It’s to the President’s advantage that the Republican field contains no truly laffable candidates. Intelligent, well-educated candidates like Gore got hurt by the jealous resentment of insecure lower-class whites which Bush took advantage of. None of the GOP field are of the would-like-to-have-a-beer-with variety, giving our somewhat-affable President the leeway to be more openly wonky.

155 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:45:53pm

Newt’s the Uniter!!! We’ll all hold hands!!!

156 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47:21pm

Whew…Santorum’s staying in. Sorry Mitt. Sorry Newt. This clusterfuck will continue.

157 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47:26pm

re: #150 aagcobb

Newt isn’t on the ballot in Va. Only Romney and Paul are.

Oh, yeah — forgot about that.

Be awfully interesting to see the write-in vote there.

158 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47:35pm

re: #155 Amory Blaine

Newt’s the Uniter!!! We’ll all hold hands!!!

Just don’t cough next to him unless you want your hand slapped away for a younger, sexier one.

//

159 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47:43pm

Foxnews.com is feeding me anti- Scott Brown ads. That must sting Brown, coming from the official Republican mouthpiece.

160 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:48:57pm

Fox News Exit Poll from South Carolina

Are you:

White 99%

Black 1%

161 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:49:19pm

re: #147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Which does not bode well for him in the general, as that feelings going to follow him all the way up to Election Day. If they don’t believe he can win, what’s motivating them to show up at the polls?

The GOP establishment was hoping that they could force Mitt onto Republicans and then hope that their hatred of Obama would take over and do all of the work that a truly inspiring candidate normally does. They do hate Obama, but Mitt’s coronation is over and the GOP base despises him too. I think they are screwed no matter which one of these clowns win. Hatred is not enough and all of their candidates are unlikeable and deeply flawed.

162 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:49:38pm

re: #146 aagcobb

LOL

I just checked out freerepublic. The front page is about Christmas. Are they early for next year or did they forget to change from last?

163 Carlos Diggler  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:49:40pm

re: #143 Charleston Chew

None of the GOP field are of the would-like-to-have-a-beer-with variety, giving our somewhat-affable President the leeway to be more openly wonky.

No, they’re not worthy of having a beer. They’re Dicks, Assholes, and Pussies.

Obama likes tequila.

164 Charleston Chew  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:49:43pm

re: #160 jaunte

Fox News Exit Poll from South Carolina

Are you:

White 99%

Black 1%

1% margin of error, I assume.

165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:50:10pm

re: #160 jaunte

C’mon. What’s wrong with white people!?

No one said anything about the President with a black audience at the Apollo the other day!

/half

166 garzooma  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:50:52pm

Anyone see the Rolling Stone article “What Mitt Romney Learned From His Dad”? Apparently, George Romney was an early opponent of the Vietnam war. In 1968, he was running against Richard Nixon for the Republican nomination:

The Mormon bishop, however, did not quit. Instead he leapfrogged across New Hampshire telling unseasonable truths – that LBJ was “spinning a web of delusion,” and that “when you want to win the hearts and minds of people, you don’t kill them and destroy their property. You don’t use bombers and tanks and napalm to save them.”

His opponent, meanwhile, running what you might call a robotic campaign, just bullshitted about Vietnam, hinting he had a secret plan to end it. The truth was a dull weapon to take into a knife fight with Richard Nixon – who kicked Romney’s ass with 79 percent of the vote.

Read more: rollingstone.com

Apparently, Mitt’s decided that he wasn’t going to make the mistake of telling any unseasonable truths.

167 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:50:58pm

2011: The 9th Warmest of Past 121 Years

Depressingly the accompanying Yahoo poll shows that 50% of Americans think global warming is fabricated. What an idiocracy.

168 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:51:31pm

re: #157 BongCrodny

Oh, yeah — forgot about that.

Be awfully interesting to see the write-in vote there.

Are write-ins allowed in VA?

169 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:51:32pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

According to that polling data, Newt is very popular among white people between 45 and 64.

170 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:51:45pm

re: #161 moderatelyradicalliberal

The GOP establishment was hoping that they could force Mitt onto Republicans and then hope that their hatred of Obama would take over and do all of the work that a truly inspiring candidate normally does. They do hate Obama, but Mitt’s coronation is over and the GOP base despises him too. I think they are screwed no matter which one of these clowns win. Hatred is not enough and all of their candidates are unlikeable and deeply flawed.

Yep, it’s ‘04 for them, trying to run a campaign against Obama rather than for their own candidate, hoping that hate will be enough to win the day. Problem is, they vastly overestimate the public’s hate of Obama and vastly underrate the hate directed at the GOP for continuing to stand in the way of any progress in Congress.

171 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:52:18pm

re: #169 jaunte

According to that polling data, Newt is very popular among white people between 45 and 64.

And that is most of the GOP Base.

172 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:52:27pm

re: #160 jaunte

Fox News Exit Poll from South Carolina

Are you:

White 99%

Black 1%

That’s not 1%, that’s just 1 black person. I think it’s that crazy Alvine Greene up to shenanigans again.

thedailybeast.com

173 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:52:48pm

re: #168 sprezzatura

Are write-ins allowed in VA?

Not for primaries:

articles.latimes.com

174 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:53:24pm

re: #160 jaunte

Fox News Exit Poll from South Carolina

Are you:

White 99%

Black 1%

That’s in a state with a 30% black population. But to hear Breitbart, Beck, Limbaugh, et al. tell it, Dems and blacks are the real racists because…food stamps!

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:54:55pm

re: #169 jaunte

According to that polling data, Newt is very popular among white people between 45 and 64.

Here’s my take. If Satan is gracious and Newt is the nominee…

Everyone on the right will scream how Newt kicked the President’s ass in the debates and is on his way to the White House.

Women on the right will find election day as a good day to finally get that storage closet re-arranged…

176 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:54:58pm

Some girl just threw a coke at Santorum and got dragged out.

177 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:55:43pm

re: #176 darthstar

Santorum and Coke is not recommended.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:56:15pm

re: #176 darthstar

Some girl just threw a coke at Santorum and got dragged out.

Idiot. She should be arrested.

179 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:56:32pm

re: #176 darthstar

Some girl just threw a coke at Santorum and got dragged out.

Fashionista.

180 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:57:10pm

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Here’s my take. If Satan is gracious and Newt is the nominee…

Everyone on the right will scream how Newt kicked the President’s ass in the debates and is on his way to the White House.

Women on the right will find election day as a good day to finally get that storage closet re-arranged…

I thought that too, but it doesn’t look like women were Newt’s problem. He won married women. Women on the right may be as crazy as the men.

181 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:57:42pm

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Idiot. She should be arrested.

just a coke, not a shoe…relax…
it’s going to be typical

182 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:58:31pm

re: #176 darthstar

Some girl just threw a coke at Santorum and got dragged out.

LOL! Coke is brown and frothy!

Oh and she should seriously be arrested.

183 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:59:05pm

Sounds like Paterno just died. Sad that his career had to end in a cloud of shame, but he could have prevented that a decade ago.

184 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:59:25pm

re: #182 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL! Coke is brown and frothy!

Oh and she should seriously be arrested.

pepper spray her first…maybe some CS

185 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:59:48pm

re: #183 darthstar

Sounds like Paterno just died. Sad that his career had to end in a cloud of shame, but he could have prevented that a decade ago.

Wait. What?

186 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:00:05pm

re: #181 albusteve

just a coke, not a shoe…relax…
it’s going to be typical Classic

187 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:00:35pm

re: #183 darthstar
Yahoo says serious condition.

188 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:00:35pm

re: #183 darthstar

Sounds like Paterno just died. Sad that his career had to end in a cloud of shame, but he could have prevented that a decade ago.

no shit?…I can’t find anything

189 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:00:43pm

re: #184 albusteve

pepper spray her first…maybe some CS

Pepper spray is just a food product.

190 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:00:49pm

re: #182 moderatelyradicalliberal

LOL! Coke is brown and frothy!

Oh and she should seriously be arrested.

Thrown out of the rally, yes. Throwing a drink isn’t a crime. If she threw a cup of something harmful, sure…arrest her.

191 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:29pm

re: #190 darthstar

Thrown out of the rally, yes. Throwing a drink isn’t a crime. If she threw a cup of something harmful, sure…arrest her.

I guess I was think of a can of coke. That would be dangerous.

192 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:36pm

Former Penn State coach Joe Paterno dies at 85

Joe Paterno, the man who for decades was synonymous with Penn State football and was known by the college football world as just “JoePa”, has died. Paterno, 85, had been receiving chemotherapy as part of his treatment for lung cancer, and complications from that treatment claimed the longtime Penn State coach’s life on Saturday.

193 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:41pm

Oh shit that was some coke right there

194 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:01:48pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

Yahoo says serious condition.

Huffpo has him dead.
huffingtonpost.com

195 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:02:03pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

Pepper spray is just a food product.

While Coke is carbonic acid.

196 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:02:11pm

Paterno is gone…whoa

197 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:02:54pm

re: #191 moderatelyradicalliberal

I guess I was think of a can of coke. That would be dangerous.

I saw it…it was from a cup…just the liquid…Santorum just looked as if he said “Whoa!” and smiled as his security grabbed and dragged.

198 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:03:11pm

I will wait for the local news. KYW1060 should have something soon.

199 sprezzatura  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:03:13pm

re: #188 albusteve

no shit?…I can’t find anything

It’s on Twitter but I don’t see a link yet.

His legacy is that of a coach who chose protecting a child molester over tarnishing Penn State. Let his family mourn him, I will not.

200 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:05:00pm

CBS Philly says gravely ill. philadelphia.cbslocal.com

201 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:05:20pm

Paterno’s not dead

202 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:06:03pm

re: #201 recusancy

Paterno’s not dead

maybe he is in some tweener world…sort of alive but not quite

203 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:06:09pm

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

204 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:06:51pm

re: #203 jaunte

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

spitballs will be a common afront soon

205 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:06pm

SC Delegates must be by region/county. Looks like Gingrich will get them all if that’s the case because Mitt Romney isn’t winning anywhere.

206 b_sharp  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:41pm

re: #203 jaunte

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

Shoes in the other hand…

207 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:44pm

This will now be a long battle for the nomination. Romney has money, organization and endorsements. What he doesn’t have is charisma or credibility, which is why he can’t put away a weak field of flawed challengers. The long Obama Clinton battle actually helped Obama, because Clinton was a credible candidate in her own right, and the battle elevated them. Romney having a death match with Newt only serves to reveal all of his own flaws.

208 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:51pm

Can the Ging appear on the VA ballot in the general?

209 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:07:58pm

re: #203 jaunte

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

Cream pies are okay…The Three Stooges proved that.

210 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:08:02pm

re: #204 albusteve

I wouldn’t mind the candidates throwing drinks at each other.

211 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:08:36pm

re: #205 darthstar

SC Delegates must be by region/county. Looks like Gingrich will get them all if that’s the case because Mitt Romney isn’t winning anywhere.

then we’ll all just ride Newt into the big dance…what the hell, jolly up

212 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:08:40pm

Here comes Gingrich.

213 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:09:29pm

re: #208 SpaceJesus

Can the Ging appear on the VA ballot in the general?

Not according to Intrade.

214 b_sharp  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:09:34pm

re: #209 darthstar

Cream pies are okay…The Three Stooges proved that.

Ladders are fine too, Laurel and Hardy proved that.

215 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:09:45pm

re: #211 albusteve

I for one, will not be riding Newt into any kind of jolly anything

216 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:09:46pm

re: #210 jaunte

I wouldn’t mind the candidates throwing drinks at each other.

or Glock 17’s….what’s to lose?

217 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:10:01pm

re: #214 b_sharp

Ladders are fine too, Laurel and Hardy proved that.

It’s hard to sneak a ladder past the metal detectors.

218 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:10:20pm

re: #216 albusteve

or Glock 17’s…what’s to lose?

What kind of idiot throws a Glock at someone?

219 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:10:29pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

If that happens, then Obama can lose Ohio and Florida and still win. He literally might not have to campaign

220 b_sharp  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:10:42pm

re: #217 darthstar

It’s hard to sneak a ladder past the metal detectors.

Try a wooden one then.

221 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:11:00pm

re: #218 darthstar

What kind of idiot throws a Glock at someone?

Someone with 16 enemies.

222 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:11:35pm

re: #221 Decatur Deb

Someone with 16 enemies.

That’s a lot of glocks to throw.

223 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:11:55pm

@davidaxelrod:

@fivethirtyeight Nate, you’re good with math. If you & SuperPac spend $4.7m, and get zero delegates, how much did you spend per delegate?

224 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:12:10pm

re: #222 darthstar

That’s a lot of glocks to throw.

A real glockenspiel.

225 b_sharp  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:12:12pm

re: #218 darthstar

What kind of idiot throws a Glock at someone?

Ask Superman.

226 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:12:22pm

re: #208 SpaceJesus

Can the Ging appear on the VA ballot in the general?

Do you mean Gingrich? If he is the GOP nominee for President, he will be on the ballot in all fifty states in November.

227 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:13:33pm

okay..I disavow any notion that congress would explode in mayhem which leaves them all unalive…but think about it

228 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:13:49pm

re: #225 b_sharp
They can’t take the safety off? /

229 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:15:33pm

Hot Air lives up to its name:

hotair.com

230 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:15:33pm

Image: onsaturdayscpickspresident1.jpg

Romney’s probably wishing he didn’t post that.

231 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:18:34pm

re: #230 darthstar

Image: onsaturdayscpickspresident1.jpg

Romney’s probably wishing he didn’t post that.

Whoops…

232 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:19:09pm

Jeb Bush endorsing Romney is also not true

233 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:19:30pm

No offense to any lizards who live there, but these early states are effin’ nuts.

234 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:19:54pm

Hey Joe
Youtube Video

235 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:21:22pm

re: #233 JasonA

No offense to any lizards who live there, but these early states are effin’ nuts.

People from Iowa are trying to disavow that notion: Youtube Video

236 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:23:16pm

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
A sign of Gingrich’s new confidence: he just changed his Facebook status to “in an open relationship.”

237 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:24:00pm

re: #208 SpaceJesus

Can the Ging appear on the VA ballot in the general?

“The Ging” sounds like a communicable disease.

Had a hot date with Sally last week, caught the Ging.

238 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:25:02pm

re: #5 thatthatisis

After this, Romney had better release his tax returns, or stay home.

Those tax returns must be really, really interesting. It’s already rumored he pays less than 15%; and it’s already out that he parks money offshore. So what else could they show that’s worse than that?

No charitable contributions?

239 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:25:53pm

re: #238 funky chicken

No charitable contributions?

Aren’t Mormons supposed to tithe 10%?

240 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:26:07pm

re: #203 jaunte

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

Wasting drinks is just wrong peroid.

241 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:26:10pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

And that’s what you get for mixing Santorum.

242 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:26:31pm

unspeakable blowhard about to crow about the greatest moment in his life soon

i’ll need a drink if i’m gonna listen to this…

243 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:29:44pm

re: #242 engineer dog

unspeakable blowhard about to crow about the greatest moment in his life soon

i’ll need a drink if i’m gonna listen to this…

What are you watching? I wanna see!!!! :p

244 albusteve  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:30:07pm

re: #242 engineer dog

unspeakable blowhard about to crow about the greatest moment in his life soon

i’ll need a drink if i’m gonna listen to this…

I’ve decided that elections to the left is the very same as NASCAR is to the right…round and round, repeating itself over and over…have your drink

245 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:32:50pm

Sarah Posner:

In the wake of Newt Gingrich’s victory in the South Carolina Republican primary tonight, Mike Huckabee said Mitt Romney needs to address his faith.
Romney’s not the one with the religion problem, even if he still faces anti-Mormon prejudice. The religious right has a huge religion problem.
religiondispatches.org

246 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:32:53pm

Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

247 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:33:43pm

re: #242 engineer dog

unspeakable blowhard about to crow about the greatest moment in his life soon

i’ll need a drink if i’m gonna listen to this…

Booze wouldn’t be enough, and OK doesn’t allow medical marijuana, so I’ll just have to pass on the speech.

248 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:35:09pm

re: #233 JasonA

No offense to any lizards who live there, but these early states are effin’ nuts.

Iowa and South Carolina—making it a little less embarrassing to live in Oklahoma.

249 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:35:59pm

!!!!!!!

Gingrich just said he absolutely agrees with Ron Paul on fiscal issues; the Fed, fiat money and inflation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:36:40pm

re: #233 JasonA

No offense to any lizards who live there, but these early states are effin’ nuts.

We here in Oregon have made an art of having contempt for the flag-slinging wackos in GOP primaries :D

251 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:36:54pm

re: #249 Alexzander

!!!

Gingrich just said he absolutely agrees with Ron Paul on fiscal issues; the Fed, fiat money and inflation!!!

On economic issues, the GOP has become the Libertarian Party.

252 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:37:21pm

re: #249 Alexzander

!!!

Gingrich just said he absolutely agrees with Ron Paul on fiscal issues; the Fed, fiat money and inflation!!!

Guess it makes sense in his mind, make an appeal to the Paul supporters. But he’s already come out against pot legalization, so I don’t Paulians joining him.

253 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:38:06pm

re: #249 Alexzander

!!!

Gingrich just said he absolutely agrees with Ron Paul on fiscal issues; the Fed, fiat money and inflation!!!

I honestly think Gingrich may be trying to lose…but GOP primary voters are so crazed and stupid that they keep voting for him no matter what he says.

254 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:38:25pm

Seven three-hour debates.
Heh.

255 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:38:38pm

newt is being gracious becuz he imagines that he has now won the nomination

he’s got another thing coming

if it even begins to look like he’ll beat romney in delegates, the party will kill him ded ded ded and it will hurt

these here fellers don’t play nice

256 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:39:45pm

re: #255 engineer dog

newt is being gracious becuz he imagines that he has now won the nomination

he’s got another thing coming

if it even begins to look like he’ll beat romney in delegates, the party will kill him ded ded ded and it will hurt

these here fellers don’t play nice

I don’t know. If there’s one thing the right does well it’s fall in line.

257 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:39:55pm

Obama should challenge Newt to seven three-step staircases.

258 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:40:13pm

Gingrich: “The centerpiece of this campaign is American exceptionalism versus the radicalism of Saul Alinsky.”

259 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:41:00pm

re: #257 jaunte

Obama should challenge Newt to seven three-step staircases.

That would be mean.

260 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:42:06pm

Ah, food stamp president.

261 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:42:06pm

And there it is — the “food stamp President” line. You knew it was coming.

262 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:43:18pm

re: #258 Charles

Gingrich: “The centerpiece of this campaign is American exceptionalism versus the radicalism of Saul Alinsky.”

Like I asked on Thursday, who in that crowd really knows who Saul Alinsky was? Besides the blue-hairs at the back who still think that Obama’s “uppity”?

263 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:43:24pm

re: #261 Charles

And there it is — the “food stamp President” line. You knew it was coming.

He has to do something to get rid of those blacks who did vote in this primary, doesn’t he?

264 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:44:46pm

re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Like I asked on Thursday, who in that crowd really knows who Saul Alinsky was? Besides the blue-hairs at the back who still think that Obama’s “uppity”?

That’s the thinking and rhetoric of Gingrich and most of the TPGOP, in a nutshell.

265 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:44:54pm

re: #261 Charles

And there it is — the “food stamp President” line. You knew it was coming.

Alinsky (jewish) √
Food Stamp (black) √

266 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:45:01pm

re: #256 recusancy

I don’t know. If there’s one thing the right does well it’s fall in line.

Yes and no. If they fell in line that easily, Mitt would be in a cakewalk since it’s supposed to be “his turn” this year.

267 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:45:02pm

The “Bow” thing…fucking stupid.

268 Robert O.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:45:22pm

I like the result. A big Gingrich victory is going to keep this nomination alive. Unlike 2008, when Obama and Clinton basically agreed with each other on everything apart from a difference in style, and were mostly civil, these Republicans are like spitting cobras. The longer this race goes on, the more they are going to soften up the eventual nominee for the general election. Democrats must NOT ease off in anticipation of victory though. The aim for Democrats must be to give President Obama the longest coattails he can possibly get, and ensure a strong Democratic Congress, and the possibility of more liberal judges in the Supreme Court to stop the damage that has already been done in SCOTUS in the last 12 years.

269 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:45:24pm

re: #244 albusteve

I’ve decided that elections to the left is the very same as NASCAR is to the right…round and round, repeating itself over and over…have your drink

if we didn’t have elections we might have to face up to the fact that very little ever actually changes, eh?

270 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:45:50pm

Newt Gingrich: President Blutarsky.

271 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:46:01pm

re: #267 darthstar

The “Bow” thing…fucking stupid.

Unbelievably fucking stupid. A completely fake outrage that has become a right wing article of faith.

272 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:46:28pm

re: #270 BongCrodny

Newt Gingrich: President Blutarsky.

Only Speaker in history fined by the ethics committee!

273 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:47:41pm

re: #272 jaunte

Only Speaker in history fined by the ethics committee!

Fired by Congress?

Feature, not bug.

274 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:47:42pm

re: #258 Charles

Gingrich: “The centerpiece of this campaign is American exceptionalism versus the radicalism of Saul Alinsky.”

Dear GOP —

No one under 75 gives a damn about Saul Alinsky, or even knows who he is. If you want to be relevant to anyone who’s not retired, try pushing the cultural references forward a few decades.

Also, please try not to be a bunch of atavistic Neanderthals. We’re in the 21st Century now. Try to acknowledge that once in a while.

No love,
Me

275 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:48:12pm

re: #261 Charles

And there it is — the “food stamp President” line. You knew it was coming.

Gingrich is feeling cocky (pun intended), for sure. Like they say (and I hope it holds true), pride comes before a fall.

He’s too arrogant not to fuck up sometime.

276 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:48:38pm

re: #275 talon_262

Andy Borowitz @BorowitzReport
Gingrich: “In closing, I am staying at the Marriott, Rm. 205. Ladies?”

277 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:48:50pm

If what Newt is saying was true, we’d be in another actual civil war.

278 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:06pm

Gingrich came into South Carolina race-baiting, and he’ll leave the same way.

279 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:14pm

Czars!

280 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:44pm

re: #249 Alexzander

!!!

Gingrich just said he absolutely agrees with Ron Paul on fiscal issues; the Fed, fiat money and inflation!!!

He’s just trying to get laid w/ a Ronulan girl.

281 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:48pm

re: #278 Charles

Gingrich came into South Carolina race-baiting, and he’ll leave the same way.

Which will likely continue to be the centerpiece of his campaign in the South.

282 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:53pm

This is the Glenn Beck candidate.

283 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:49:53pm

re: #278 Charles

Gingrich came into South Carolina race-baiting, and he’ll leave the same way.

And they loved him for it…

*retch*

284 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:50:30pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

He’s just trying to get laid w/ a Ronulan girl.

Newt’s into dirty, sloppy sex?

Kinky…

285 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:50:38pm

‘Danger to the country’ vs. ‘the most eloquent and virile 68-year-old debater on Earth.’

286 justaminute  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:50:45pm

I really doubt the Republican establishment wants Gingrich as their nominee. I expect the long knives to come out for him tomorrow. After all their the ones who really, really know him.

287 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:51:09pm

re: #278 Charles

Gingrich came into South Carolina race-baiting, and he’ll leave the same way.

Hostility is what defines him. Without it he wouldn’t have gotten very far.

288 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:51:23pm

re: #284 talon_262

Newt’s into dirty, sloppy sex?

Kinky…

He loves America that much!

289 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:51:37pm

re: #286 justaminute

I really doubt the Republican establishment wants Gingrich as their nominee. I expect the long knives to come out for him tomorrow. After all their the ones who really, really know him.

Perhaps details “slipping out” about the actual ethics charges against him?

290 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:52:01pm

re: #282 recusancy

This is the Glenn Beck candidate.

Didn’t Beck come out emphatically against Newt?

291 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:52:27pm

re: #290 JasonA

Didn’t Beck come out emphatically against Newt?

I don’t know but he seems to have the same crazy.

292 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:52:32pm

re: #286 justaminute

I really doubt the Republican establishment wants Gingrich as their nominee. I expect the long knives to come out for him tomorrow. After all their the ones who really, really know him.

Correct. He is an absolute disaster.

This is the Obama campaign right now:

Image: obama-laughing.jpg

293 justaminute  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:53:20pm

re: #289 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Perhaps details “slipping out” about the actual ethics charges against him?

Yes, and more. He’s not exactly popular there.

294 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:53:30pm

In the last six days, Gingrich gained 26 percentage points in South Carolina. Unbelievable.

Romney spent 4.7 million and will receive no delegates.

295 Lidane  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:55:19pm

re: #286 justaminute

I really doubt the Republican establishment wants Gingrich as their nominee. I expect the long knives to come out for him tomorrow. After all their the ones who really, really know him.

What’s sad about that is that the GOP establishment could pull out the long knives and spill all the gory details about Newt’s time as Speaker and the morans in the base would just love Newt that much more. They’d chalk all the long knives up to bitterness that a Real Conservative is beating a RINO.

296 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:56:28pm

re: #293 justaminute

Yes, and more. He’s not exactly popular there.

I remember Thursday night, John Sununu stating that if all the facts about Gingrich’s ethics investigation got out, his presidential campaign would be dead. And Pelosi’s made it clear she’d risk facing ethics charges herself to release the full those facts to the press if Gingrich become the nominee.

297 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:56:39pm

re: #286 justaminute

I really doubt the Republican establishment wants Gingrich as their nominee. I expect the long knives to come out for him tomorrow. After all their the ones who really, really know him.

I just had a frightening thought: If this tug-of-war goes on between Newt and Mitt throughout the primaries, we might wind up with a Mitt/Newt ticket (or even vice versa) at the GOP convention.

Barring any bombshells that don’t Teflon off Newt, of course…

298 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:58:01pm

re: #296 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I remember Thursday night, John Sununu stating that if all the facts about Gingrich’s ethics investigation got out, his presidential campaign would be dead. And Pelosi’s made it clear she’d risk facing ethics charges herself to release the full those facts to the press if Gingrich become the nominee.

Stupid question time, but why don’t we know those details?

299 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:58:17pm

Just a reminder: Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council bought a mailing list from white supremacist David Duke.

300 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:58:39pm

re: #297 talon_262

I just had a frightening thought: If this tug-of-war goes on between Newt and Mitt throughout the primaries, we might wind up with a Mitt/Newt ticket (or even vice versa) at the GOP convention.

With the daggers they have out for each other? I doubt it.

301 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:59:08pm

re: #300 Coracle

With the daggers they have out for each other? I doubt it.

Two words: brokered convention.

302 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:59:27pm

re: #299 Charles

Just a reminder: Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council bought a mailing list from white supremacist David Duke.

Hey—Nazis have families, too.

304 justaminute  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:59:41pm

re: #295 Lidane

What’s sad about that is that the GOP establishment could pull out the long knives and spill all the gory details about Newt’s time as Speaker and the morans in the base would just love Newt that much more. They’d chalk all the long knives up to bitterness that a Real Conservative is beating a RINO.

Well, If Romney lost to Obama, the base will just think they are not conservative enough and go even further into outer space. But if Gingrich lost to Obama they may start thinking that maybe their the ones with the problems. Maybe.

305 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 6:59:42pm

The South (remember, the Civil War started in SC) picked one of their own.

The Tofu candidate didn’t stew in the confederate broth long enough. Perhaps next time the Tofu ought to take a note from the 1000 year egg delicacy and sit in the confederate soil for a bit longer.

306 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:00:41pm

re: #304 justaminute

Well, If Romney lost to Obama, the base will just think they are not conservative enough and go even further into outer space. But if Gingrich lost to Obama they may start thinking that maybe their the ones with the problems. Maybe.

Nahhhhh…it’s never their fault, always someone else’s.

307 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:00:48pm

re: #304 justaminute

Well, If Romney lost to Obama, the base will just think they are not conservative enough and go even further into outer space. But if Gingrich lost to Obama they may start thinking that maybe their the ones with the problems. Maybe.

Nah—the factional message is that both are RINOs.

308 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:02:44pm

re: #298 JasonA

Stupid question time, but why don’t we know those details?

Most of the investigation was done behind closed doors, hence the records are sealed. What’s been released so far amounts to some like 1230 pages, but there’s supposed to be thousands more that only Newt could release. Pelosi, having been part of the investigation, is threatening to release the truly juicy details if he wins the nomination.

309 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:03:10pm

New Rules for New Radicals: The Tea Party Discovers a Taste for….
Saul Alinsky!

Over the next four decades, Rules for Radicals, which Alinsky wrote as a handbook on how to organize for progressive political change, managed to stay in print, typically selling a few thousand copies a year—until last year. In the first six months of 2009, a period that included Barack Obama’s Inauguration and the rise of the Tea Party, an astonishing 37,987 copies of Rules for Radicals went out the door.

Yes, the Tea Partiers discovered Saul Alinsky! They are gobbling up copies of Rules for Radicals because many, if not most, believe that Alinsky is the reason we have a President Obama.

310 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:03:27pm

In 2001 Family Research Council leader (and MSNBC commentator) Tony Perkins gave a speech to the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.

311 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:05:06pm

re: #310 Charles

In 2001 Family Research Council leader (and MSNBC commentator) Tony Perkins gave a speech to the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.

Well they need someone to take Pat’s old role, don’t they??

312 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:06:31pm

According to the NYT blog on the primary, Gingrich said in his victory speech:

“They have no understanding, no care” about the people, he said, adding that those elites have been “trying for a half century” to tell people not to be Americans.

Hmmm… half a century… that would be 1961… which is conveniently before the Civil Rights Act and the real desegregation of the South.

Oh yes, Gingrich knows his audience.

313 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:07:58pm

re: #312 freetoken

According to the NYT blog on the primary, Gingrich said in his victory speech:

Hmmm… half a century… that would be 1961… which is conveniently before the Civil Rights Act and the real desegregation of the South.

Oh yes, Gingrich knows his audience.

He also called the elites anti religious bigots. He actually used the word bigots. Another thing the right does really well is project.

314 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:08:17pm

The more that both Newt and Mitt speak, the clearer their disdain for the intelligence of their audience.

315 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:09:48pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

Does Ron Paul even understand the deficit

No, he only understands within narrow boundaries. The realities of politics and the consequent need for compromise is utterly foreign to him. That is why I say that I would vote for Obama over Ron Paul: because Ron Paul’s judgement is so bad that he could never actually govern anything.

316 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:09:56pm

Nate Silver:

Turnout Up in S.C. Among Registered Republicans

Once all votes are in, turnout may be up roughly 30 percent overall from 2008, and by 15 to 20 percent among registered Republicans.

317 dr. luba  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:10:42pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is only a question if you are still confused or in denial about how far and how deep their prejudice goes. Adultery is forgivable, being a member of the wrong tribe is not.

I noticed the same thing when Palin’s daughter was found to be pregnant and unmarried. I thought it would upset the evangelical right, but it didn’t. Sinners are OK, if they’re their sinners.

Other folks (e.g. Clinton) will be excoriated for doing the same things that their folks (pastors, politicians, et. al.) can do with impunity.

I guess it’s to be expected that Newt would be forgiven—after all the group in the US with the highest divorce rates is the evangelicals. By having three sequential wives, Newt is proving he’s one of them.

318 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:10:46pm

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

Would you vote for Obama over Gingrich?

319 justaminute  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:11:30pm

re: #314 jaunte

The more that both Newt and Mitt speak, the clearer their disdain for the intelligence of their audience.

After listening to the audience reaction at the debates it’s kinda of hard for me to fault Newt and Mitt for that.

320 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:11:37pm

re: #316 jaunte

Nate Silver:

Turnout Up in S.C. Among Registered Republicans

Once all votes are in, turnout may be up roughly 30 percent overall from 2008, and by 15 to 20 percent among registered Republicans.

Again, not the best sign in the world for Romney.

321 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:11:51pm

re: #292 Alexzander

Correct. He is an absolute disaster.

This is the Obama campaign right now:

Image: obama-laughing.jpg

Photoshop Carville on one side and Bill Clinton on the other, all laughing, and you’d have it.

322 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:12:32pm

re: #318 recusancy

Would you vote for Obama over Gingrich?

I’ll take a stab at that for D_F, since he’s a Party First guy: Probably not.

Correct me if I’m wrong…

323 dr. luba  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:12:46pm

Who was it that said that Newt was a stupid person’s idea of what a smart person sounds like?

324 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:13:46pm

re: #262 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Like I asked on Thursday, who in that crowd really knows who Saul Alinsky was? Besides the blue-hairs at the back who still think that Obama’s “uppity”?

Those people don’t really know who Alinsky was either. They only know about the ALINSKY!!1 of Fox News legend, not the real historical figure.

325 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:14:00pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is only a question if you are still confused or in denial about how far and how deep their prejudice goes. .

YEs.

And let’s not be confused or in denial about just how many still insist on being confused and in denial. /

326 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:14:12pm

re: #322 talon_262

I’ll take a stab at that for D_F, since he’s a Party First guy: Probably not.

Correct me if I’m wrong…

Oh Recusancy already knows the answer to that. Just wants to hear him say it.

327 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:14:45pm

re: #320 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Again, not the best sign in the world for Romney.

According to the county map, Romney only took the metropolitan counties of Charleston and Columbia - and those by only slim margins.

The rich and well educated (yes, some Republicans have advanced degrees) will go for Romney, but the real people go for Newt.

328 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:15:45pm

re: #327 freetoken

pimf

ooops, Columbia is in Richmond county. That’s the one Romney took.

329 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:15:57pm

Really bad night for Romney. Not only did Newt butt-stomp him, but Santorum and Paul combined for 20,000 more votes than Romney got.

330 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:16:11pm

pimf Richland


…sigh….

331 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:16:36pm

re: #330 freetoken

pimf Richland

…sigh…

Coffee, STAT!

332 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:16:42pm

re: #318 recusancy

Would you vote for Obama over Gingrich?

Nope.

333 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:16:45pm

re: #327 freetoken

According to the county map, Romney only took the metropolitan counties of Charleston and Columbia - and those by only slim margins.

The rich and well educated (yes, some Republicans have advanced degrees) will go for Romney, but the real people go for Newt.

Yep, which means that he’s in for a world of hurt in the South, as well as other rural states. He may ultimately end up with the nomination, but he’s in for a long, bloody fight.

334 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:18:36pm

re: #328 freetoken

pimf

ooops, Columbia is in Richmond county. That’s the one Romney took.

re: #330 freetoken

pimf Richland

…sigh…

Richmond County is Augusta (GA), Richland County is Columbia (SC)

335 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:19:09pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Mitt Romney Tofu is an “urban elite”.

Everyone knows it… but his campaign can’t allow that to be accepted, so he’s tried (and tried and tried) to cast himself as one of the masses, even though he stumbles over himself all the time when trying.

336 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:19:48pm

re: #333 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep, which means that he’s in for a world of hurt in the South, as well as other rural states. He may ultimately end up with the nomination, but he’s in for a long, bloody fight.

For all those gung-ho about the prospect of a brokered GOP convention, be careful what you wish for.

You might just get it.

337 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:19:57pm

re: #335 freetoken

Mitt Romney Tofu is an “urban elite”.

Everyone knows it… but his campaign can’t allow that to be accepted, so he’s tried (and tried and tried) to cast himself as one of the masses, even though he stumbles over himself all the time when trying.

He wears his belt too high to be rural.

338 recusancy  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:20:17pm

I’ll take silence as an embarrassed no. And with that I’m out for the night.

339 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:21:34pm

re: #336 talon_262

For all those gung-ho about the prospect of a brokered GOP convention, be careful what you wish for.

You might just get it.

A brokered convention is going to mean nobody’s happy, which won’t mean good things for them going into the general.

340 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:22:37pm

re: #318 recusancy

Would you vote for Obama over Gingrich?

I do not know.

341 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:22:58pm

re: #339 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A brokered convention is going to mean nobody’s happy, which won’t mean good things for them going into the general.

And who would be the nominee? A lot of the Base think Christie is a RINO. I can’t imagine Jeb could win just 4 years after Dubya left office.

342 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:23:30pm

re: #339 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

A brokered convention is going to mean nobody’s happy, which won’t mean good things for them going into the general.

My GOP ‘brokered convention’ dream includes Sarah Palin riding into the area. Either Joan of Arc or Lady Godiva will do.

343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

I do not know.

You will be voting for whatever white nationalist-lite hypocritical, self-righteous Christian bigot the GOP puts up.

No point in lying about it.

344 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:25:06pm

Well, Romney took the last county, Beaufort, but by a small margin.

It looks to be a sort of vacation/resort area, and is probably a get-a-way location for those in Charleston or in Savannah GA.

Anyway, Mitt is a rich Yankee boy - he might as well just own it.

345 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:25:25pm

re: #338 recusancy

I’ll take silence as an embarrassed yes. And with that I’m out for the night.

You should take it as I was taking care of some record-keeping. No more, no less.

For right now, I’ll say I will not be voting for Newt in the Illinois primary.

346 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:26:56pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

My GOP ‘brokered convention’ dream includes Sarah Palin riding into the area. Either Joan of Arc or Lady Godiva will do.

Neither works. She hasn’t the ‘gravitas’ of either of those two women, she’s too much a twit.

347 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:27:16pm

re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

GAZE

348 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:28:09pm

re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You will be voting for whatever white nationalist-lite hypocritical, self-righteous Christian bigot the GOP puts up.

No point in lying about it.

Oh look, at least one person thinks Mitt’s a Christian.

349 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:28:18pm

re: #342 Decatur Deb

My GOP ‘brokered convention’ dream includes Sarah Palin riding into the area. Either Joan of Arc or Lady Godiva will do.

Nekkid?

350 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:28:53pm

@AriBerman
With 99 % reporting, nearly 600,000 voted in SC GOP primary, surpassing Dem & GOP turnout in ‘08

351 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:29:01pm

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Neither works. She hasn’t the ‘gravitas’ of either of those two women, she’s too much a twit.

Brunhilde, then.

Image: bugs_fathorse.jpg

352 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:29:02pm

re: #341 aagcobb

And who would be the nominee? A lot of the Base think Christie is a RINO. I can’t imagine Jeb could win just 4 years after Dubya left office.

At this point, it’s hard to speculate. Before last week, it was pretty much a given that Romney would win S.C. and Florida, cement the nomination, and begin the victory lap. Now? Newt’s got S.C., is gaining ground in Florida, and may start seeing a revival through the South. And Santorum’s still in this, which means he could take votes out West.

353 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:29:16pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

lmao Perry voter.

354 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:29:36pm

re: #348 EmmmieG

Oh look, at least one person thinks Mitt’s a Christian.

Afaic, yeah, he’s as Christian as the rest.

355 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:29:47pm

re: #343 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You will be voting for whatever white nationalist-lite hypocritical, self-righteous Christian bigot the GOP puts up.

No point in lying about it.

Hahaha. Imagine how this conversation would go if we were in all in bar together right now.

356 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:30:11pm

re: #354 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Afaic, yeah, he’s as Christian as the rest.

I would say thank you, but I’m not sure that is a compliment.

357 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:30:13pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

Look, it’s pretty clear your vote will be against Obama rather than for any particular Republican. It’s OK. People are ruled by ideology or blind party loyalty all the time. But really, why pretend that’s not where you are?

358 darthstar  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:30:53pm

re: #347 Dark_Falcon

GAZE

She has a point, Dark…you’ve admitted as much here several times. It’s okay. There’s nothing wrong with party loyalty…just don’t expect others to understand your reasoning.

359 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:31:45pm

The GOP deserves this.

360 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:31:52pm

Curious Lurker tweets:

Newt Gingrich and the Politics of Resentment

…That anger, and his ability to channel the same in others, explains why Gingrich’s performance at Monday’s debate—when he dismissed Fox News’ Juan Williams’ suggestion that he was playing to racial stereotypes by denigrating food stamps—has resonated so deeply. “I am so tired, personally, of racial prejudice,” says Tommie Derry of Walterboro, a Gingrich supporter. “The way blacks are handling it, if you weren’t racially prejudiced, it’d make you racially prejudiced” Gingrich’s retort to Williams went beyond a simple debating coup; it was cathartic. “When I hear the Juans of the world, I get upset.”

361 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:32:00pm

re: #357 Coracle

Look, it’s pretty clear your vote will be against Obama rather than for any particular Republican. It’s OK. People are ruled by ideology or blind party loyalty all the time. But really, why pretend that’s not where you are?

People change. There was something to work with in Mandy M.

362 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:32:08pm

re: #350 jaunte

@AriBerman
With 99 % reporting, nearly 600,000 voted in SC GOP primary, surpassing Dem & GOP turnout in ‘08

The ATHIEST! MARXIST! MOSLEM! guy in the Whitehouse has the masses scared ghost white, so they know they need to find a real American Conservative to save them.

363 Alexzander  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:32:12pm

re: #357 Coracle

Look, it’s pretty clear your vote will be against Obama rather than for any particular Republican. It’s OK. People are ruled by ideology or blind party loyalty all the time. But really, why pretend that’s not where you are?

Forget the Republicans and Democrats; I’m voting for the Silly Party!

Youtube Video

364 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:32:25pm

re: #356 EmmmieG

I would say thank you, but I’m not sure that is a compliment.

It’s not a compliment or an insult, just a historical fact in my book. I don’t have a personal litmus test on who is and who isn’t Christian.

Of course, that’s far more generous than Mormonism has ever been to my type.

365 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:34:06pm

re: #363 Alexzander

Youtube Video

366 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:34:23pm

Joshua Holland @JoshuaHol
2 Alinskys, food stamp pres, elites, teleprompters, Tsars, drill baby, American exceptionalism, soft on Iran… #NoTalkingPointLeftBehind

367 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:35:50pm

re: #352 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

At this point, it’s hard to speculate. Before last week, it was pretty much a given that Romney would win S.C. and Florida, cement the nomination, and begin the victory lap. Now? Newt’s got S.C., is gaining ground in Florida, and may start seeing a revival through the South. And Santorum’s still in this, which means he could take votes out West.

I have to wonder if Frothy is going to have the money to stay in the race. It looks like evangelicals went with Newt, and Frothy would need a lot of money from them to campaign in Florida.

368 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:36:09pm

Ahem. A story.

When my third child was nine days old (For those of you keeping track, this means I was nine days postpartum), my second child became very ill. The pediatrician saw us that day and sent us to the specialist, who told me we would have to hospitalize him.

Mr. EmmmieG was not as his desk when I called, so I had to call the receptionist to page him, which caused me to start crying (again, nine days postpartum). The staff at the specialists were bringing me sprite and talking to me in really soft voices by this time.

They got him and I told him what was going on. He said that he’d meet me at the hospital. He was there when I got there (I had had my mother, the sick child, the oldest well child, and the brand new baby all in tow the entire time). He took over and said he’d spend the night with the sick one and I should just go home with the baby. (And Grandma and The Princess, who was four).

There’s nothing in this world like a man you can count on in your hour of need.

Why am I telling this story now? You guess.

369 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:37:35pm

re: #357 Coracle

Look, it’s pretty clear your vote will be against Obama rather than for any particular Republican. It’s OK. People are ruled by ideology or blind party loyalty all the time. But really, why pretend that’s not where you are?

re: #357 Coracle

Look, it’s pretty clear your vote will be against Obama rather than for any particular Republican. It’s OK. People are ruled by ideology or blind party loyalty all the time. But really, why pretend that’s not where you are?

It’s just cowardice. Even a Tiffany’s tool like Newt openly pandering to South Carolina Jake Knotts neo-Confederates has more integrity.

370 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:38:15pm

re: #368 EmmmieG

Sooo… it’s never going to happen between us?

371 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:39:08pm

re: #370 JasonA

Sooo… it’s never going to happen between us?

SMACK!

372 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:39:23pm

re: #367 aagcobb

I have to wonder if Frothy is going to have the money to stay in the race. It looks like evangelicals went with Newt, and Frothy would need a lot of money from them to campaign in Florida.

I figure he won’t drop out unless, like Perry and Huntsman, it looks like there’s no way for him to do better than third place. Question is, if he does drop out, who does he endorse?

373 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:40:10pm

Normally I would think this was a viral marketing campaign but I think this is real….
Violinista tocando el tono de nokia
Youtube Video
Shot at an awkward angle the the audio isn’t great, I think it’s genuine. Brilliant if true.

374 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:40:55pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I figure he won’t drop out unless, like Perry and Huntsman, it looks like there’s no way for him to do better than third place. Question is, if he does drop out, who does he endorse?

Probably whoever shat on him the least. Which likely means Romney, who has largely ignored him.

375 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:44:20pm

re: #366 jaunte

No kidding. Newt is maliciously bright and knows a good button to push when he sees it.

I note that the talking heads in Murdoch-land will lend him much support. E.g., today’s opinion piece in the WSJ, The New American Divide

America is coming apart. For most of our nation’s history, whatever the inequality in wealth between the richest and poorest citizens, we maintained a cultural equality known nowhere else in the world—for whites, anyway. “The more opulent citizens take great care not to stand aloof from the people,” wrote Alexis de Tocqueville, the great chronicler of American democracy, in the 1830s. “On the contrary, they constantly keep on easy terms with the lower classes: They listen to them, they speak to them every day.”

Americans love to see themselves this way. But there’s a problem: It’s not true anymore, and it has been progressively less true since the 1960s.

People are starting to notice the great divide. The tea party sees the aloofness in a political elite that thinks it knows best and orders the rest of America to fall in line. The Occupy movement sees it in an economic elite that lives in mansions and flies on private jets. Each is right about an aspect of the problem, but that problem is more pervasive than either political or economic inequality. What we now face is a problem of cultural inequality.

[…]

Over the past 50 years, that common civic culture has unraveled. We have developed a new upper class with advanced educations, often obtained at elite schools, sharing tastes and preferences that set them apart from mainstream America. At the same time, we have developed a new lower class, characterized not by poverty but by withdrawal from America’s core cultural institutions.

[…]

There’s also been a notable change in the rates of less-than-full-time work. Of the men in Fishtown who had jobs, 10% worked fewer than 40 hours a week in 1960, a figure that grew to 20% by 2008. In Belmont, the number rose from 9% in 1960 to 12% in 2008.

[…]

As I’ve argued in much of my previous work, I think that the reforms of the 1960s jump-started the deterioration. Changes in social policy during the 1960s made it economically more feasible to have a child without having a husband if you were a woman or to get along without a job if you were a man; safer to commit crimes without suffering consequences; and easier to let the government deal with problems in your community that you and your neighbors formerly had to take care of.

[…]

Hmmm… 1960… that’s, well, that’s 50 years ago. Before all those nasty social changes in the 1960’s.

This is Newt’s political platform that stormed SC. The AEI shill summed up a portion of that nicely.

376 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:45:02pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

Normally I would think this was a viral marketing campaign but I think this is real…
Violinista tocando el tono de nokia

[Video]
Shot at an awkward angle the the audio isn’t great, I think it’s genuine. Brilliant if true.

Something like that actually just happened at the NY Phil

artsjournal.com

One of those “ok, I’m going to go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, now” moments, eek.

377 Amory Blaine  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:45:17pm

re: #270 BongCrodny

Newt Gingrich: President Blutarsky.

You know Pres Blutarsky sounded great when I was 10.

378 Petero1818  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:45:48pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I figure he won’t drop out unless, like Perry and Huntsman, it looks like there’s no way for him to do better than third place. Question is, if he does drop out, who does he endorse?

The other Catholic natch.

379 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:46:19pm

re: #360 jaunte

Curious Lurker tweets:

Newt Gingrich and the Politics of Resentment

Translation: “I’m wasn’t a racist until black people started talking and expressing their opinions. Thank God Newt shut that uppity ni**** down. I can’t wait for him to do it to Obama.”

380 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:47:12pm

re: #376 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Something like that actually just happened at the NY Phil

[Link: www.artsjournal.com…]

One of those “ok, I’m going to go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, now” moments, eek.

I think that’s what makes that violinist video so brilliant. What would Mozart have done? Stop the show and throw a fit? He would have rolled with it.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:48:01pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I figure he won’t drop out unless, like Perry and Huntsman, it looks like there’s no way for him to do better than third place. Question is, if he does drop out, who does he endorse?

Well, one reason for Santorum to stay in would be the specter of neither Romney nor Gingrich gaining a majority. Remember that after Florida there are no more winner-take-all primaries until April, the March primaries being proportional by RNC rule. Thus it is possible to see no one gaining a majority. In that scenario, Santorum might win the nomination by being few people’s first choice, but everyone’s second choice (except for those voting for Crazy Uncle Ron, but those would carry no weight at a convention).

382 Decatur Deb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:48:03pm

re: #377 Amory Blaine

You know Pres Blutarsky sounded great when I was 10.

At least President Neidermeyer dropped out.

Image: AM-Perry_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

383 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:49:11pm

re: #375 freetoken

No kidding. Newt is maliciously bright and knows a good button to push when he sees it.

I note that the talking heads in Murdoch-land will lend him much support. E.g., today’s opinion piece in the WSJ, The New American Divide

Hmmm… 1960… that’s, well, that’s 50 years ago. Before all those nasty social changes in the 1960’s.

This is Newt’s political platform that stormed SC. The AEI shill summed up a portion of that nicely.

It’s what we’ve known for awhile, that the GOP is a party that thinks that America’s best days are behind it and thinks the only to recapture that faded glory is to drag America back to the 1950s, if not earlier.

384 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:49:21pm

re: #31 moderatelyradicalliberal

Can defeat Obama= The person who will do the best job of calling him a ni*** without calling him a ni***.

Quoted for truth.

385 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:49:48pm

re: #372 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I figure he won’t drop out unless, like Perry and Huntsman, it looks like there’s no way for him to do better than third place. Question is, if he does drop out, who does he endorse?

I don’t think it will matter. Newt doesn’t seem to need endorsements.

386 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:50:58pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

At least President Neidermeyer dropped out.

Image: AM-Perry_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

Didn’t Neidermeyer end up getting fragged in ‘Nam?

387 blueraven  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:51:35pm

re: #316 jaunte

Nate Silver:

Turnout Up in S.C. Among Registered Republicans

Once all votes are in, turnout may be up roughly 30 percent overall from 2008, and by 15 to 20 percent among registered Republicans.

Voter fraud!!!

388 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:51:49pm

re: #382 Decatur Deb

At least President Neidermeyer dropped out.

Image: AM-Perry_jpg_800x1000_q100.jpg

“A PLEDGE PIN?!?!”

389 AlexRogan  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:52:36pm

re: #386 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Didn’t Neidermeyer end up getting fragged in ‘Nam?

By his own troops…

390 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:53:25pm

the pundit conversation on msnbc sounds to me like this now:

“what the fuck?? I mean, what the fuck? I mean, what do you think, Chris?”

“Definitely what the fuck, Matt - I mean, this is some crazy fucking shit!!!”

391 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:54:15pm

re: #390 engineer dog

the pundit conversation on msnbc sounds to me like this now:

“what the fuck?? I mean, what the fuck? I mean, what do you think, Chris?”

“Definitely what the fuck, Matt - I mean, this is some crazy fucking shit!!!”

“We all said he couldn’t win, so how the fuck did he win?!”

392 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:54:39pm

re: #383 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

It’s what we’ve known for awhile, that the GOP is a party that thinks that America’s best days are behind it and thinks the only to recapture that faded glory is to drag America back to the 1950s, if not earlier.

Yeah but what are they going to do when all the white-resentment olds finally kick the bucket? At least the ones willing to give them any money. /Schadenfreude

393 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 7:58:46pm

re: #391 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

“We all said he couldn’t win, so how the fuck did he win?!”

That’s because they are all in denial about how insane the GOP has become. They want anger, resentment, and barely veiled bigotry in their nominee. Mitt can win without it, but the base will never, ever accept him as one of the tribe and enthusiastic enough for him to win the general election. That increase in turnout was the neo-Confederates who were probably going to say home deciding to vote for Newt in the last 48 hours.

394 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:03:11pm

J. S. Bach: Cantata
Nº 208, ‘Sheep May Safely Graze’, BWV 208

Youtube Video

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:06:44pm

re: #385 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don’t think it will matter. Newt doesn’t seem to need endorsements.

maybe Trojan can endorse him

396 Olsonist  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:06:49pm

I definitely think Newt has the edge on Romney at this point vis a vis the Republican base. Basically, the base can’t stand Romney. Ok, the party elites can’t stand Gingrich but in this Tea Party election, the base is going to speak. Yes, the rich irony is that Dick Armey kinda created the Tea Party and he can’t stand Gingrich. Just love that. Armey played Cantor to Gingrich’s Boehner but with persona’s reversed.

[Iowa Elections Market has Romney at BID 0.612 and Gingrich at BID 0.252. Strangle, Santorum doesn’t even appear.]

Gingrich is a gifted campaigner. He recruited and campaigned a House majority into existence. Not an easy task. You can laugh at him and his multiple foibles all you want but he has that Reaganesque ability to just move forward. Clinton had that too.

But Gingrich has an Achilles heel. The guy is completely undisciplined and listens to no one. Why listen when you’re the smartest motherfucker in the universe? Romney is the opposite and Obama is the opposite. They listen. Very disciplined.

So this could be a matchup between a puncher and an artist. And I think Obama’s discipline would grind Gingrich down. But one thing the Republicans will rue in their choice of Newt. Newt only cares about Newt. Sorry Callista. And he’ll take down the entire party with him in general if he face plants.

397 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:07:06pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

You OK in the Weather Blitz?

Edit..
Baaah!

398 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:07:16pm

Josh Marshall:

Look at these numbers: nationwide Newt Gingrich’s favorability number is 26.5%, unfavorable 58.6%. (see the chart here.)

It would be quite difficult for Newt Gingrich to beat President Obama. The bigger story is that he would likely devastate the congressional Republican party. He’d probably weigh down the GOP up and down the ticket. And that puts the whole thing in much sharper relief for Republican officeholders, committee chairs and money folks.
talkingpointsmemo.com

Go, Newt, go!

399 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:09:06pm

re: #398 jaunte

Josh Marshall:

Go, Newt, go!

I doubt that a Romney nomination really helps them all that much. They need somebody with charisma out there, who can convince people to come to the polls in November. Instead, they’d have this cardboard cut-out who would leave people convinced he can’t win, which would mean low Republican turnout and thus a piss-poor showing at the polls.

400 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:09:37pm

re: #396 Olsonist

And he’ll take down the entire party with him in general if he face plants.

One can only pray.

401 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:10:34pm

re: #397 Floral Giraffe

You OK in the Weather Blitz?

We’re fine here. A little cold, a little windy, a little rainy but nothing too serious. We had a few sun breaks this afternoon and I took a nap n the new greenhouse which zoomed up to 70 degrees when the sun came out.

402 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:12:25pm

re: #399 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I don’t know. ODS is stronger than BDS ever was, or CDS. B and C were the right color at least.

Yes, I believe a combination of overt and silent racism will make _any_ 2012 matchup a less than 5% margin election.

403 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:12:35pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Nice. Thank you.

404 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:16:57pm

re: #402 Coracle

I don’t know. ODS is stronger than BDS ever was, or CDS. B and C were the right color at least.

Yes, I believe a combination of overt and silent racism will make _any_ 2012 matchup a less than 5% margin election.

One of the lessons ‘04 taught us is that hatred alone can’t carry a candidacy. More importantly, what it needs is somebody who can stoke it, who can keep the haters energized enough to draw them to the polls. This past week has demonstrated that Romney’s either unable or unwilling to play the race card.

405 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:18:53pm

re: #404 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

One of the lessons ‘04 taught us is that hatred alone can’t carry a candidacy. More importantly, what it needs is somebody who can stoke it, who can keep the haters energized enough to draw them to the polls. This past week has demonstrated that Romney’s either unable or unwilling to play the race card.

Maybe not, but his surrogates and PACs will for him. ‘08 was closer than it should have been by several points because of this. ‘12 will be no different.

406 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:20:21pm

Even odds now that Romney will release his tax returns this coming week. He’s really fucked this issue up needlessly.

407 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:22:35pm

Perfect summary of Gingrich’s appeal:

…voters felt that Gingrich had put Fox News’ Juan Williams in his place for suggesting that Gingrich might have been racially insensitive when he called President Obama a “food stamp president.” As one voter told me, “When I hear the Juans of the world, I get upset.” Source…

Also see: Newt Gingrich and the Politics of Resentment

Racial resentment. Poor, poor oppressed white folks. Someone (liberal, feminist, environmentalist, scientist, socialist, gay, secularist, Muslim, black, brown) is always stealing what belongs to them and they want it back. Gingrich is Palin, but with more education & political experience.

This is gonna get really, really ugly.

408 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:24:49pm

re: #406 goddamnedfrank

Even odds now that Romney will release his tax returns this coming week. He’s really fucked this issue up needlessly.

And when he does, rather than the “So he did it, so what?” flippant attitude they might have received, they’re now going to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb, looking for everything that might seem out of order. If it’s true that he pays 15% or less annually, then he’s fucked.

409 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:25:51pm

re: #407 CuriousLurker

Gingrich is Palin, …

Trying to visualize Newt in high heels…

OMG.

410 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:26:49pm

re: #409 freetoken

Trying to visualize Newt in high heels…

OMG.

Gah! Brain bleach, stat! LOL

Then again, if someone could come up with a photo of that…

411 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:27:37pm

re: #409 freetoken

Puffy feet.

412 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:28:00pm

re: #407 CuriousLurker

Perfect summary of Gingrich’s appeal:

Racial resentment. Poor, poor oppressed white folks. Someone (liberal, feminist, environmentalist, scientist, socialist, gay, secularist, Muslim, black, brown) is always stealing what belongs to them and they want it back. Gingrich is Palin, but with more education & political experience.

This is gonna get really, really ugly.

Those n*****s and sp*cs dhimmis aren’t letting me kick them in the face, anymore!!

HOW DARE THEY!!!@1

Dumb, stupid white supremacist cons. /Schadenfreude

413 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:28:31pm

re: #405 Coracle

Maybe not, but his surrogates and PACs will for him. ‘08 was closer than it should have been by several points because of this. ‘12 will be no different.

As we saw this week, the idea of Super PACs slinging shit is becoming extremely unpopular. That a candidate can sit back and not have to answer for those groups is not something that’s likely to go over well as we move further into the primaries.

414 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:28:52pm

re: #409 freetoken

Trying to visualize Newt in high heels…

OMG.

And, red lipstick!

415 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:29:32pm

re: #414 Floral Giraffe

And, red lipstick!

*retching sounds*

Carrots? I don’t remember eating carrots.

/

416 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:30:00pm

re: #413 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

As we saw this week, the idea of Super PACs slinging shit is becoming extremely unpopular. That a candidate can sit back and not have to answer for those groups is not something that’s likely to go over well as we move further into the primaries.

It won’t go over well, but it will still work. That’s what the Roves of this world know.

417 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:31:07pm

re: #409 freetoken

What were those red shoes of her called? Naughty Monkey I think.

*picturing Callista snapping a whip at Newt in his red pumps and saying: Get over here you naughty, naughty monkey…*

Aaaarrggh!! Effing imagination!

418 palomino  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:32:51pm

re: #407 CuriousLurker

Perfect summary of Gingrich’s appeal:

Racial resentment. Poor, poor oppressed white folks. Someone (liberal, feminist, environmentalist, scientist, socialist, gay, secularist, Muslim, black, brown) is always stealing what belongs to them and they want it back. Gingrich is Palin, but with more education & political experience.

This is gonna get really, really ugly.

Between Newt’s race baiting and Romney’s xenophobic “Obama doesn’t understand and love America” I’ve become completely disgusted by the current gop. They deserve to lose badly, and eventually they will. Demographics are destiny.

419 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:36:05pm

re: #418 palomino

Between Newt’s race baiting and Romney’s xenophobic “Obama doesn’t understand and love America” I’ve become completely disgusted by the current gop.

I’m disgusted too. I’m also worried that someone will eventually end up getting hurt. There are a lot of unwell people out there and any one of the could snap.

They deserve to lose badly, and eventually they will. Demographics are destiny.

QFT. They’re ruining their chances of remaining a viable party.

420 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:37:44pm

Lol.
Youtube Video

421 Professor Chaos  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:38:01pm

re: #396 Olsonist

Armey played Cantor to Gingrich’s Boehner but with persona’s reversed.

That might be the dirtiest thing I’ve ever read on this site.

422 Olsonist  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:38:34pm

When Obama ran in 2008 against McCain, they were both members of the club, both sitting Senators. They knew each other and McCain wasn’t willing to do a scorched earth policy Willie Horton style. I’m no McCain fan but it had been done to him by Bush in SC and it just wasn’t in him.

Gingrich can’t wait.

Ugly is going to be bad. Ugly is going to be very destructive. I detect a certain Democratic zeitgeist of wanting Gingrich since he has so much baggage. I’d rather have Romney.

423 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:39:00pm

re: #418 palomino

Between Newt’s race baiting and Romney’s xenophobic “Obama doesn’t understand and love America” I’ve become completely disgusted by the current gop. They deserve to lose badly, and eventually they will. Demographics are destiny.

They’re both smart enough to know it’s stupid and wrong, but they think it will work so they do it anyway.

424 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:39:10pm

re: #408 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

If it’s true that he pays 15% or less annually, then he’s fucked.

The real news down the line, assuming he gets the nomination, is that he’s on record stating that the capital gains tax rate should be zero. Mitt is for lowering his own tax obligation to zero while advocating war with Iran. He also thinks Obama should have kept in Iraq, how he doesn’t say. As President, Romney will be willing to get soldiers killed as long as the burden of paying for it largely falls on others, who don’t make their money through investments.

The fact that Republicans who purport to champion the value of work, actually applaud the idea that members of the upper class, born wealthy, should be able to live their entire lives without having to pay any federal taxes on their investment income is simply amazing.

425 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:40:19pm

@johnsberman
Mitt Romney is first candidate in history to lose IA and SC in the same week.

426 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:41:20pm

re: #425 jaunte

Um.. they were 18 days apart. Unless he meant something other than “week”?

427 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:41:39pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

The real news down the line, assuming he gets the nomination, is that he’s on record stating that the capital gains tax rate should be zero. Mitt is for lowering his own tax obligation to zero while advocating war with Iran. He also thinks Obama should have kept in Iraq, how he doesn’t say. As President, Romney will be willing to get soldiers killed as long as the burden of paying for it largely falls on others, who don’t make their money through investments.

The fact that Republicans who purport to champion the value of work, actually applaud the idea that members of the upper class, born wealthy, should be able to live their entire lives without having to pay any federal taxes on their investment income is simply amazing.

Should be interesting to see, a presidential candidate trying to run the “47% don’t pay federal income taxes” meme while wanting to cut his own tax burden to 0%.

428 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:41:45pm

re: #426 freetoken

He means the IA result was delayed.

429 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:42:11pm

re: #426 freetoken

It’s because Iowa was finally certified for Santorum this week.

430 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:42:31pm

re: #426 freetoken

Um.. they were 18 days apart. Unless he meant something other than “week”?

The totals changed and frothy officially won Iowa now.

431 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:43:01pm

Scientists plan to make a volcano into a generator

This could be exciting in multiple ways.

432 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:43:11pm

I see that the true conservatives are turning against their tokens. On the Townhall thread crowing over the Newt win:

Eileen for Freedom/Liberty Wrote: 8 minutes ago (11:26 PM)

And it looks like Governor Haley won’t be winning another election after coming out for a ‘pretender’ and ‘fence sitter’.

Perhaps she has forgotten now that she has the power that ‘real’ conservatives put her in the governorship to get something done…she got something done alright…she sided with NWO Romney and sold her conservative citizens down the tubes…just like Brown in MA!

433 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:43:51pm

re: #428 jaunte

re: #429 Coracle

re: #430 wlewisiii

Ok, now the post makes sense.

I still assume the final ticket will be Romney/Santorum.

434 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:44:34pm

Scott Brown, proof that the Tea Party loves you until you wander off the reservation.

435 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:44:52pm

re: #427 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should be interesting to see, a presidential candidate trying to run the “47% don’t pay federal income taxes” meme while wanting to cut his own tax burden to 0%.

And all Obama has to do is point out that the Republican goal of getting that 47% to have a net >0 income tax bill means eliminating things like the per child tax credit, capital loss write off, and mortgage & tuition deductions. That should be popular.

436 CuriousLurker  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:45:15pm

I’m gonna go watch a movie or something to try to take my mind off the impending ugliness. Have a good night, all.

437 Professor Chaos  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:45:18pm

re: #427 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Should be interesting to see, a presidential candidate trying to run the “47% don’t pay federal income taxes” meme while wanting to cut his own tax burden to 0%.

Kneel! Kneel before the Job Creators!

438 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:45:54pm

National Organization for Marriage Congratulates Newt Gingrich on South Carolina Win

Not the Onion!

439 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:46:02pm

re: #431 jaunte

Er. Fracking style injection for geothermal power out of a volcano? Fantastic! What could possibly go wrong?

440 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:46:42pm

re: #435 goddamnedfrank

And all Obama has to do is point out that the Republican goal of getting that 47% to have a net >0 income tax bill means eliminating things like the per child tax credit, capital loss write off, and mortgage & tuition deductions. That should be popular.

While at the same time passing a plethora of tax cuts and loopholes for the 1%, on the empty promise that doing so will lead to regained economic prosperity and job creation.

441 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:47:09pm
“NOM congratulates Newt Gingrich on his impressive come-from-behind victory in South Carolina.” said Brown.

It just keeps on.

442 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:47:13pm

re: #437 Girth

Kneel! Kneel before the Job Creators!

Kneel before Zod!

//

443 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:48:21pm

re: #438 jaunte

National Organization for Marriage Congratulates Newt Gingrich on South Carolina Win

Not the Onion!

Look—Newt’s been married three times. Santorum and Romney have only been married once each. Now, if Newt had eaten at Joe’s pizza three times, and Santorum and Romney had only eaten there once each, who would you say loved Joe’s pizza more?

I love logic, don’t you?

444 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:48:37pm

re: #442 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Kneel before Zod!

//

Youtube Video

445 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:48:59pm

re: #443 EmmmieG

Who is more expert in marriage than Newt?

446 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:49:31pm

re: #445 jaunte

Almost anyone?

447 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:50:15pm

re: #445 jaunte

Who is more expert in marriage than Newt?

He’s had a lot of practice cutting that cake, that’s for sure.

448 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:50:52pm

Holy crap. Did you know there was a moneybomb campaign for Santorum ending tonight? Conservatives Unite Moneybomb. For Santorum.

I will not acronymize that for you.

449 Professor Chaos  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:51:04pm

re: #438 jaunte

National Organization for Marriage Congratulates Newt Gingrich on South Carolina Win

Not the Onion!

The National Organization for Marriage values quantity over quality.

450 freetoken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:51:39pm

That Townhall article comment section is a fountain of stupid (well, most of them are). CL noted that there are a lot of “unwell people” in this country… no doubt if the internet is any evidence.

BTW, this is a good place for me to pimp my latest Page, on why I expect our society to keep producing this type backwards political idiocy. The Old America for which the Tea Partiers lust isn’t going to come back - instead, our society will continue to change to adapt to the breakneck speed of global development. Even if global development is slowed (say, due to problems with oil supplies), the US dominance of the world is slowly fading, and with that will come a loss of testosterone-boosting fighting, and the chest-beaters aren’t going to like that.

451 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:52:38pm

re: #448 Coracle

Holy crap. Did you know there was a moneybomb campaign for Santorum ending tonight? Conservatives Unite Moneybomb. For Santorum.

I will not acronymize that for you.

No. Just no. I do not believe that.

452 Targetpractice  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:52:44pm

re: #438 jaunte

National Organization for Marriage Congratulates Newt Gingrich on South Carolina Win

Not the Onion!

Yes, congratulations to the man who has made an absolute mockery of marriage. *rolls eyes*

453 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:53:16pm

Good Night.

454 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:53:19pm

re: #451 JasonA

No. Just no. I do not believe that.

ricksantorum.com

For Santorum…

455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:53:53pm

re: #422 Olsonist

Ugly is going to be bad. Ugly is going to be very destructive. I detect a certain Democratic zeitgeist of wanting Gingrich since he has so much baggage. I’d rather have Romney.

Same here. People sitting tucked away in their gated communities, who will never be affected by teabagger/pitchfork/confederate rabblerousing, might think it funny and cute if a demagogue-lite gets the nomination. But they are not thinking critically. Or historcially.

456 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:54:02pm

re: #451 JasonA

No. Just no. I do not believe that.

ricksantorum.com

457 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:54:46pm

re: #454 Coracle

[Link: www.ricksantorum.com…]

For Santorum…

holy shit

458 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:55:07pm

re: #455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Same here. People sitting tucked away in their gated communities, who will never be affected by teabagger/pitchfork/confederate rabblerousing, might think it funny and cute if a demagogue-lite gets the nomination. But they are not thinking critically. Or historcially.

Wait … how did you know I live in a gated community?

459 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:55:17pm

re: #457 JasonA

holy shit

That pretty much sums it up.

460 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:56:20pm

Let’s see: The marriage people had to choose between:

A man who stood by his wife (only wife) of decades during a devastating loss of a child.

A man who stood by his wife (only wife) of decades during MS and cancer.

Newt Gingrich.

And they picked…

461 funky chicken  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:56:32pm

re: #422 Olsonist

When Obama ran in 2008 against McCain, they were both members of the club, both sitting Senators. They knew each other and McCain wasn’t willing to do a scorched earth policy Willie Horton style. I’m no McCain fan but it had been done to him by Bush in SC and it just wasn’t in him.

Gingrich can’t wait.

Ugly is going to be bad. Ugly is going to be very destructive. I detect a certain Democratic zeitgeist of wanting Gingrich since he has so much baggage. I’d rather have Romney.

amen

462 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:56:44pm

re: #419 CuriousLurker

QFT. They’re ruining their chances of remaining a viable party.

Yeah but Jesus is coming back soon, so it doesn’t matter, anyway.

/ < - half, some of the stupid dupes really do think like this

463 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:57:19pm

re: #458 goddamnedfrank

Wait … how did you know I live in a gated community?

aware of all internet traditions!

464 Professor Chaos  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:57:33pm

re: #448 Coracle

Holy crap. Did you know there was a moneybomb campaign for Santorum ending tonight? Conservatives Unite Moneybomb. For Santorum.

I will not acronymize that for you.

Look at that face….just waiting for that big old Conservatives Unite Moneybomb…

Image: unite-hdr.jpg

465 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 8:58:26pm

re: #455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Same here. People sitting tucked away in their gated communities, who will never be affected by teabagger/pitchfork/confederate rabblerousing, might think it funny and cute if a demagogue-lite gets the nomination. But they are not thinking critically. Or historcially.

Ah, that’s what it is. I’ve been getting a headache all week trying to put a finger on who Newt’s been channeling and that just made it click.

Huey Long. The Kingfish. Same little racist fascist wrapped in a populist glove. It was the OWS/leftist populism pretense that was confusing me.

466 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:01:32pm

re: #465 wlewisiii

Yeah, ‘cept Huey never had a half a million $ credit line at Tiffany’s. /

467 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:03:05pm

re: #455 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Same here. People sitting tucked away in their gated communities, who will never be affected by teabagger/pitchfork/confederate rabblerousing, might think it funny and cute if a demagogue-lite gets the nomination. But they are not thinking critically. Or historcially.

Personally, I think it’d be cathartic, and actually a better thing than my earlier expectations.

My expectation was that the ugly base would win in 2016. Four more years of hatred of not only the left but the Establishment Republicans, all festering. And all happening against while the Democrats are running their replacement for Obama after 8 years of white house occupancy.

If Newt gets the nod, it’ll be ugly. But there’ll be less built up cess, there’ll be an incumbent who’s generally liked and respected by the public… bottom line it’ll be less ugly than it could be even with Newt involved.

The other good thing is that what I think of as the cleansing will happen four years sooner. Now, instead of four years from now, the various parts of the GOP will see their bad side standing up, see what they’ve chained their “honor” to. Some wont change. Some will. I expect to see either a quashing or a split, and that will be good for everyone.

I’m looking forward to it in the same way a patient “looks forward” to long, painful surgery and physical therapy — it’s bad, but not going through all that is worse.

468 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:05:07pm

re: #467 kirkspencer

Personally, I think it’d be cathartic, and actually a better thing than my earlier expectations.

My expectation was that the ugly base would win in 2016. Four more years of hatred of not only the left but the Establishment Republicans, all festering. And all happening against while the Democrats are running their replacement for Obama after 8 years of white house occupancy.

If Newt gets the nod, it’ll be ugly. But there’ll be less built up cess, there’ll be an incumbent who’s generally liked and respected by the public… bottom line it’ll be less ugly than it could be even with Newt involved.

The other good thing is that what I think of as the cleansing will happen four years sooner. Now, instead of four years from now, the various parts of the GOP will see their bad side standing up, see what they’ve chained their “honor” to. Some wont change. Some will. I expect to see either a quashing or a split, and that will be good for everyone.

I’m looking forward to it in the same way a patient “looks forward” to long, painful surgery and physical therapy — it’s bad, but not going through all that is worse.

No, it won’t be cathartic or cleansing for the targets — it never is. For us, these are not abstract matters, they are issues of personal safety.

469 aagcobb  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:05:39pm

Intrade is speaking on what it thinks of these results. Obama’s likelihood of re-election is now over 54%.

470 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:06:24pm

re: #465 wlewisiii

Ah, that’s what it is. I’ve been getting a headache all week trying to put a finger on who Newt’s been channeling and that just made it click.

Huey Long. The Kingfish. Same little racist fascist wrapped in a populist glove. It was the OWS/leftist populism pretense that was confusing me.

Did Huey ever get chucked out by the people he was supposed to be leading?

471 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:06:27pm

re: #456 Varek Raith

Let me guess. The old Prepaid Credit/Debit card dodge to get around reporting requirements?

472 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:07:32pm

re: #468 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, it won’t be cathartic or cleansing for the targets — it never is. For us, these are not abstract matters, they are issues of personal safety.

It never is for the targets, I agree. But it is for the rest of the nation.

And as near as I can tell it’s going to happen. It’s a classic zealotry cycle. The only question, really, is when.

The longer the delay, the worse it’ll be not just for the targets but for the bystanders.

473 Coracle  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:08:51pm

re: #464 Girth

Look at that face…just waiting for that big old Conservatives Unite Moneybomb…

Image: unite-hdr.jpg

Yes! That’s a fantastic Conervatives Unite Moneybomb-shot.

474 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:09:48pm

re: #471 Bubblehead II

Let me guess. The old Prepaid Credit/Debit card dodge to get around reporting regiments?

No, the acronym, in context with santorum.

Santorum’s
Conservatives
Unite
Moneybomb.

475 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:10:00pm

re: #468 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

No, it won’t be cathartic or cleansing for the targets — it never is. For us, these are not abstract matters, they are issues of personal safety.

And even some of us who are not “obvious” targets are rather worried about safety in a world where that rat fucker Pinochet is considered a hero by these people. I’m really glad Wisconsin recently became the 49th state to allow CCW…

476 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:11:09pm

re: #475 wlewisiii

And even some of us who are not “obvious” targets are rather worried about safety in a world where that rat fucker Pinochet is considered a hero by these people. I’m really glad Wisconsin recently became the 49th state to allow CCW…

Repeating myself - now is better than four years from now.

477 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:11:50pm

re: #470 EmmmieG

Did Huey ever get chucked out by the people he was supposed to be leading?

Depends. Is assassination the same as a recall? ///
Sorry, that was a bit snarky even for me.

478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:12:42pm

re: #203 jaunte

We should discourage people from throwing drinks at political candidates, it could escalate.

That being said… please, for the love of all that is Holy… throw some cake at me.

I really like cake.

479 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:12:55pm

re: #422 Olsonist

When Obama ran in 2008 against McCain, they were both members of the club, both sitting Senators. They knew each other and McCain wasn’t willing to do a scorched earth policy Willie Horton style. I’m no McCain fan but it had been done to him by Bush in SC and it just wasn’t in him.

Gingrich can’t wait.

Ugly is going to be bad. Ugly is going to be very destructive. I detect a certain Democratic zeitgeist of wanting Gingrich since he has so much baggage. I’d rather have Romney.

As an African-American, I disagree. No offense, but some white people want to hide from this shit and keep it underwraps. I want it out. I want these motherfuckers to say what they mean and mean what they say. What they have meant for the last 50 years. I’m tired of dancing around it and the plausible deniability given to it by the MSM and people who want to be able to keep ignoring the hate so they can vote GOP because they want lower taxes. Newt is exactly what the GOP deserves because he is exactly what the GOP is. Let him be the nominee and let’s find out what kind of county this is for real. I’m prepared and I’ll take the truth over a lie any day.

480 Bubblehead II  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:14:13pm

re: #474 kirkspencer

Ummm. No. I was trying to stay away from that. More along the lines of using prepaid cards to get around reporting large donations. A charge I believe was leveled against Obama as I remember.

Also, isn’t the ” Money Bomb” a Ron Paul invention?

481 jaunte  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:14:43pm
…people who want to be able to keep ignoring the hate so they can vote GOP because they want lower taxes.

Yes.

482 BadgerB  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:15:00pm

re: #424 goddamnedfrank

The real news down the line, assuming he gets the nomination, is that he’s on record stating that the capital gains tax rate should be zero.

Are you sure on this. I was pretty sure That his tax plan was the only one that didn’t zero it all the way out. It went something like no tax on investment income for combined incomes under some level ($200,000?) and 13% above that. Compared with letting that Bush tax cuts fade away it still cuts his tax in half but overall it would only seriously wound the deficit instead of turning it into a smoking hole when the economy finally comes around.

[Don’t ask me how drop from 15% to 13% in the cap gains rate will make any difference in the behavior of people making six figures and up, I don’t have a clue]

For the record, I think all their tax(cut) plans are nuts but for the four left Romney’s is the least crazy.

483 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:16:43pm

re: #465 wlewisiii

Ah, that’s what it is. I’ve been getting a headache all week trying to put a finger on who Newt’s been channeling and that just made it click.

Huey Long. The Kingfish. Same little racist fascist wrapped in a populist glove. It was the OWS/leftist populism pretense that was confusing me.

You could have also said George Wallace. There is no appeal to white economic populism in America without racism mixed in. That’s OWS’s main problem. Blaming Wall Street is blaming white people. Newts attacks on Bain isn’t why he won. It was his “stay in your place uppity ni****” moment during the first debate.

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:18:01pm

re: #447 EmmmieG

He’s had a lot of practice cutting that cake, that’s for sure.

There’s cake?

485 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:18:02pm

re: #472 kirkspencer

It never is for the targets, I agree. But it is for the rest of the nation.

And as near as I can tell it’s going to happen. It’s a classic zealotry cycle. The only question, really, is when.

The longer the delay, the worse it’ll be not just for the targets but for the bystanders.

Eggs/omelettes, then.

Ok.

486 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:18:10pm

re: #478 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That being said… please, for the love of all that is Holy… throw some cake at me.

I really like cake.

Vegan, gluten free cake?

487 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:19:41pm

re: #480 Bubblehead II

Ummm. No. I was trying to stay away from that.

… yeah. Unfortunately it’s rather blatant when you go to the site. I actually thought it was a parody site. Instead it’s another demonstration that someone on Santorum’s team is either an idiot or a fifth columnist.

488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:20:57pm

re: #486 eclectic infidel

Vegan, gluten free cake?

You could make a “bacon cake” and I’d probably stare longingly at it for a few minutes.

(That’s my sister’s joke.)

489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:22:44pm

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You could make a “bacon cake” and I’d probably stare longingly at it for a few minutes.

(That’s my sister’s joke.)

You know it had to be posted

490 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:22:50pm

re: #472 kirkspencer

It never is for the targets, I agree. But it is for the rest of the nation.

And as near as I can tell it’s going to happen. It’s a classic zealotry cycle. The only question, really, is when.

The longer the delay, the worse it’ll be not just for the targets but for the bystanders.

The real question is if it can be stopped short of what happened in Spain in the 30’s, much less elsewhere on that continent. I have my doubts. That’s part of why I dislike talk about third party candidates by dems/lefties: that plays into the biggest danger the Republic faces in the short term. If we end up with a mess like 2000 again, but with Obama, it could be all it takes to ignite a real nightmare.

491 Pavlovian Hive Mind  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:23:04pm

re: #489 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

You know it had to be posted

DAMN YOU!

492 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:27:18pm

re: #479 moderatelyradicalliberal

As an African-American, I disagree. No offense, but some white people want to hide from this shit and keep it underwraps. I want it out. I want these motherfuckers to say what they mean and mean what they say. What they have meant for the last 50 years. I’m tired of dancing around it and the plausible deniability given to it by the MSM and people who want to be able to keep ignoring the hate so they can vote GOP because they want lower taxes. Newt is exactly what the GOP deserves because he is exactly what the GOP is. Let him be the nominee and let’s find out what kind of county this is for real.

Yeah but that’s not going to happen until their own force them to be accountable to what they say. They don’t have the integrity, or moral fortitude, never have.

I’m prepared and I’ll take the truth over a lie any day.

Part of the issue is, you have two generations of people like yourself and me who aren’t in “we shall overcome” mode anymore. That’s what’s expected in the face of white supremacy/nationalism/conservatism defending itself. I don’t want these tensions stoked any more than they already are by these confederates, who already ruin everything they touch.

493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:33:49pm

re: #490 wlewisiii

The real question is if it can be stopped short of what happened in Spain in the 30’s, much less elsewhere on that continent. I have my doubts. That’s part of why I dislike talk about third party candidates by dems/lefties: that plays into the biggest danger the Republic faces in the short term. If we end up with a mess like 2000 again, but with Obama, it could be all it takes to ignite a real nightmare.

Yeah, it’s pie-in-the-sky talk, more ahistoricity. I keep hearing on left-confederate sites people calling for it to “get so bad” that there’s a revolution, or whatever e_e

They’re pretty easy to deal with, though. They don’t have one name, let alone an actual candidate that can unseat the incumbent and get their agenda — whatever that is, today — forwarded. It then becomes pretty clear that they don’t want an agenda forwarded, except the gripe/groan/piss/moan agenda.

Heh, I say, yeah, let Romney or Newt or one of these other GOP a-holes in the WH in 2012, that’ll give you plenty to bellyache about.

Smartphone revolutionaries, feh.

494 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:35:08pm

re: #488 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You could make a “bacon cake” and I’d probably stare longingly at it for a few minutes.

(That’s my sister’s joke.)

I’ve had bacon cheesecake before and it was very good.

Also, someone at culinary school made glazed donuts with fresh maple bacon bits (on outside). Dee-lish, but so very rich. Sort of like that time when someone soaked bacon in a coconut lime mixture, then breaded it with Panco, then deep fried it and slapped it on a soft roll with cucumber and fresh aioli. Dee-lish, but wicked rich.

495 BongCrodny  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:38:28pm

re: #469 aagcobb

Intrade is speaking on what it thinks of these results. Obama’s likelihood of re-election is now over 54%.

How the hell it’s not at 90%+ with either Gingrich or Romney the nominee is a complete mystery.

496 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jan 21, 2012 9:38:31pm

re: #493 OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin

Heh. There’s a lefty gun site I hang at (yes, they exist) and I PO’d a couple of the resident pie-in-the-sky types by saying that they wanted to “nader MIttens into the White House”. But they’re the kind that are too Pure to get the hint.


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