Sam Donaldson on the Daily Caller

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The wingnut crowd has been frantically casting about for a way to defend Daily Caller “journalist” Neil Munro’s crass behavior at yesterday’s White House announcement, and some of them are comparing Munro to Sam Donaldson and his famously tough questioning of Ronald Reagan. Donaldson responded to these comparisons today:

What this man did yesterday is something new, to me wrong and unusual. I think it is probably the result of the growing incivility of the times, the competition among reporters and news organizations to be noticed not only for the work product but for the theatrics of the gathering…and there is one more factor, let’s face it: Many on the political right believe this president ought not to be there – they oppose him not for his polices and political view but for who he is, an African American!

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1 kmg  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:29:45pm

I see the similarity. Sam Donaldson was also rude. He always seemed so smug.

2 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:30:02pm

Sam said it. That bow tie Tucker even envoked this real journalist. I'm sure the statement in private was a bit more peppery.

3 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:30:09pm

Somewhat related: I walked into a store the other day and one of the first things you see upon entering is a poster of Barack Obama with crosshairs on him and the caption: ENEMY OF THE STATE.

This is a small independently owned business.

I was considering spending some money there but decided not to after seeing that. Thing is, the place was completely packed so obviously his political views weren't hurting business. I also couldn't help but notice that all five employees around at the time just happened to be white and male.

4 jaunte  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:32:58pm

Trying to normalize the interruption of a President's speech or formal remarks is just stupid. It's not comparable to an interruption during an interview.

5 blueraven  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:33:31pm

I dont know if there is racism involved here, or just arrogance and incivility.
But when you add up "YOU LIE" from Joe Wilson, the finger wagging from Governor Brewer, this reporter heckler and the members of congress who have questioned Obama's citizenship, something is wrong.

This has to be stopped or it will become SOP. The press needs to call these people out and keep calling them out.

6 palomino  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:34:30pm

re: #1 kmg

I see the similarity. Sam Donaldson was also rude. He always seemed so smug.

Donaldson interrupted Reagan in the middle of speeches?

No, this is the reporter equivalent of Rep. Joe Wilson's infamous "You lie!" during an Obama address to Congress.

7 blueraven  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:35:07pm

re: #1 kmg

I see the similarity. Sam Donaldson was also rude. He always seemed so smug.

Can you show me once where he ever interrupted a President's prepared remarks?

No? then STFU.

8 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:35:44pm

Ok folks, I need some opinions here. I've been writing steadily on my immigration themed novel and I've just finished this segment featuring a TV news interview in which the interviewee is intended to be a wingnut. What I'm looking for is do you think I'm made him wingnutty enough? Does he seem a fair characterization of the typical far right mentality in this area?

“Joining me today is Arizona Congressman Mike Arnold. Thank you for being here Mr. Arnold.”

“Thank you for having me.”

“Well, let's get down to it. Obviously there are a lot of people that are unhappy with the immigration law Arizona is attempting to put in place. Where do you stand in all of this?”

“Let me make this clear Grayson. I do NOT have a problem with immigrants. This nation was built on immigration and I completely support those who wish to come to the United States LEGALLY. Those who wish to do so by other means are another matter entirely.”

“Are you saying that illegal aliens should have no rights whatsoever?”

“Every human is entitled to the same basic rights Grayson, but here's what this boils down to as far as I'm concerned: A criminal is a criminal. If you commit a crime, you pay the price. Look at the term: Illegal Alien. ILLEGAL Alien. It's pretty self explanatory. People who fall under that definition are in violation of Federal Law and deserve to be punished. What kind of precedent are we setting if we suddenly decide to look the other way on this kind of 'rule breaking'?”

“A lot of people are saying Arizona is overstepping their bounds with this law. The general feeling is that immigration laws and policies should be left up to the Federal Government. Do you agree?”

“Not in the least.”

“So how would you respond to people who hold that view?”

“I'd be more than happy to leave immigration enforcement in the hands of the Federal Government...IF they had shown they were competent and effective in doing so. The truth is though, that this administration seems more than happy to just pretend the immigration problem doesn't really exist and leave states like ours out to dry.”

“Can you explain a little more on what you mean when you say 'out to dry'?”

“Federal Immigration policies and procedures are written by government bureacrats thousands of miles away from the border. This is Arizona. The border is in our backyard. This legislation was written and developed by people who have seen the problems and issues firsthand. We have people dying on and near the border every day due to drug and gang violence. The Feds claim they are cracking down on it and saving lives but I'm sorry, I just don't see it.”

(continues in next post)

9 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:36:18pm
“How do you react to people who say this bill will lead to racial profiling of Hispanics?”

“I think people who feel that way don't understand this law. The law does not say an officer can simply pull anyone off the street and ask them for papers. It SAYS that if an officer is already investigating a crime and has reason to believe that one or more of the persons involved may be in the country illegally, he is obligated to act on that and notify immigration enforcement authorities.”

“What if the law actually does cause an increase in racial profiling?”

“I highly doubt that will happen. I think most fears to that regard are silly and unfounded. As I stated a moment ago, this bill is most definitely NOT a free pass for racial profiling. It was never intended that way.”

“I'd like your reaction to this story if you don't mind: About four months ago, a couple living in the country illegally along with their 11 year old daughter were deported after being found out. The girl had been born in Mexico but had lived in the United States since she was two years old. She had only known America her entire life, but suddenly had to go back to a country she virtually no connections to. Do you think this situation should have been handled differently? Should the girl have been allowed to stay?

Arnold chuckled a bit. “Ok, I know I'm going to catch some heat for what I'm about to say, but I don't care. What happened to that girl was unfortunate, but the fact is she and her parents were here ILLEGALLY. I don't know how many times I need to come back to this. That girl might have had a massive culture shock upon returning to Mexico but guess what? That's where she was born. Neither she nor her parents have any claims to U.S. residency or citizenship. In my opinion the decision was right.

“That could be described as a cold hearted point of view Mr. Congressman.”

“That may be so but it's an accurate point of view nevertheless. Let me make something clear here: The United States of America is NOT responsible for what happened to the girl. Not the American President, Not the American Government and NOT the American people. Why not? Well it's simple. It was her parents...HER PARENTS who made the decision to come to this country illegally. They and they alone bear responsbility for the circumstances the girl now has to live with.

You call me cold hearted. I can't help but wonder if maybe it might be time to get a little cold hearted with these people. I have no desire to coddle criminals. I think the Government of the United States has for far too long been far too lenient and forgiving when it comes to illegal immigration. As a result, Arizona steps up and takes some of the fight into its own hands and yeah, we're going to get a bit of a backlash from that, but you know what? Bring it on.

I'm not scared of Liberals. I'm not scared of Conservatives. I'm not scared of whites, blacks or Mexicans. It's time people started putting their foot down on this more often and I'm glad Arizona is leading the way. It's a proud moment for our great state.”

10 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:37:31pm

re: #5 blueraven

I dont know if there is racism involved here, or just arrogance and incivility.
But when you add up "YOU LIE" from Joe Wilson, the finger wagging from Governor Brewer, this reporter heckler and the members of congress who have questioned Obama's citizenship, something is wrong.

This has to be stopped or it will become SOP when the President is black. The press needs to call these people out and keep calling them out.

FTFY. I can just about guarantee you that if Mitt Romney became President he would probably NEVER be interrupted by a reporter.

11 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:39:15pm

re: #1 kmg

Oh look, another low-post-count sleeper (71 posts since 2006). I wonder if they're related to the one that got clubbed by Stinky a couple of threads back...

12 Kragar  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:40:56pm

Pfff, what does Sam Donaldson know about journalism?
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13 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:43:42pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

re: #9 dragonfire1981

Whoops...didn't catch that that quoted spiel was for a work of fiction.

Seems spot on to me, at least the intent, because it got me pissed off.

14 freetoken  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 7:44:54pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

You could just go to any anti-immigrant hate site and copy their vocabulary, or check your written piece against their writings and see if yours holds up (or down, as the case may be.)

15 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:01:27pm

re: #10 dragonfire1981

FTFY. I can just about guarantee you that if Mitt Romney became President he would probably NEVER be interrupted by a reporter.

However, if Hillary Clinton were president right now, I'm pretty sure this would have happened anyway. Hell, if we had Bill back, in this climate.

16 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:01:53pm

I just like how the story behind Munro's behavior keeps changing. The first version (the truth), that it was intentional, that his employer and the right were proud of his disrespect didn't focus test well so they had to change it up. Version two, that he thought the President was finished with his prepared remarks (disseminated to the press in advance) was simply too patently absurd to pass the smell test. So now they're on to version three, which is just version one fancied up with an historic footnote that doesn't actually bear scrutiny.

Version four will involve Obama controlling Munro with some kind of African bush magic, and therefore really interrupting himself.

17 jaunte  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:09:14pm

Sam Donaldson, Chris Wallace To Conservatives: You Lie

In a post on his Twitter feed, conservative pundit and CNN contributor Erick Erickson asked: "Also, anyone remember Sam Donaldson shouting questions at President Reagan?"

In a reply to Erickson on Twitter, conservative writer John Podhoretz wrote: "Not while he was delivering remarks. Never."

18 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:11:05pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

He seems like an OK guy to me. The following paragraph of yours captured my feelings very well:

You call me cold hearted. I can't help but wonder if maybe it might be time to get a little cold hearted with these people. I have no desire to coddle criminals. I think the Government of the United States has for far too long been far too lenient and forgiving when it comes to illegal immigration. As a result, Arizona steps up and takes some of the fight into its own hands and yeah, we're going to get a bit of a backlash from that, but you know what? Bring it on.

So yo answer your question, Dragonfire: I don't find this character's words wingnutty at all.

19 erik_t  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:13:18pm

This kerfluffle has nothing to do with respect for the Office of the President of the United States. I wouldn't interrupt a goddamned high schooler's random class talk in this manner.

It's not about the office of the Other. It's the fact that the Other is an 'Other'. If Obama weren't an 'Other', we wouldn't be talking about this.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:14:07pm

re: #17 jaunte

Sam Donaldson, Chris Wallace To Conservatives: You Lie

I wonder how much hate mail Chris Wallace is going to get for calling "Bullshit!" on Munro's actions. I hope he retains enough of his father to refuse to walk his remarks back tomorrow. Let Fox Nation rage at him, for if he hangs tough he will have done all reporters and even FNC a favor by standing up for honesty and civility/

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:20:24pm

Sam Donaldson: "People ask me about my relationship with President Reagan. I say it was a case of two 'hams' discovering each other. Only I played the 'straight man' and he always had the last word."

22 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:24:29pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

He seems like an OK guy to me. The following paragraph of yours captured my feelings very well:

So to answer your question, Dragonfire: I don't find this character's words wingnutty at all.

PIMF

23 gwangung  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:24:32pm

re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist

Sam Donaldson: "People ask me about my relationship with President Reagan. I say it was a case of two 'hams' discovering each other. Only I played the 'straight man' and he always had the last word."

Hah! That seems a lot more personable that what any so-called journalist can manage these days. Could still remain respectful while acting in an adversarial manner.

24 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:29:58pm

Neil Munroe walked back that he wasn't trying to agitate, just be the first to ask a question. The tape tells a different story.

But he's getting accolades for asking the hard questions.

You can't have it both ways.

25 jaunte  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:30:16pm

Just remember, wait until the President stops speaking, then ask your question.

26 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:30:17pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon

He seems like an OK guy to me. The following paragraph of yours captured my feelings very well:

So yo answer your question, Dragonfire: I don't find this character's words wingnutty at all.

No, he's just prone to abject simplism, equivocation and general non thoughts. We live in a society where demand for low food prices, a cheap domestic workforce and outdoor hard physical labor is largely met by illegal immigration. Ignoring the decades of policies that led people to come and raise families here is really just willful ignorance. Insisting on moronically equating crimes of status with traditional criminality is to admit oneself utterly lacking in basic discretionary intellect. Finally, to moronically wave away the consequences of States arrogating themselves to constitutionally defined federal roles by simply saying "bring it on" is the antithesis of an actual argument.

27 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:30:30pm

re: #23 gwangung

Hah! That seems a lot more personable that what any so-called journalist can manage these days. Could still remain respectful while acting in an adversarial manner.

The current time period did away with such nuance in favor of making a big accusatory show for the viewing enjoyment of the partisans watching FNC or MSNBC. Reporting as entertainment.

28 jaunte  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:32:33pm

There are a few more gems here:

[Link: twitter.com...]

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:36:49pm

Heads are exploding over the SWATgate post tonight.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:46:28pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Heads are exploding over the SWATgate post tonight.

Anything amusing?

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:50:27pm
32 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:51:32pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Heads are exploding over the SWATgate post tonight.

Victims will always be victims. Ha

33 gwangung  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:53:11pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

The current time period did away with such nuance in favor of making a big accusatory show for the viewing enjoyment of the partisans watching FNC or MSNBC. Reporting as entertainment.

Yeah, I know. Irritates me to no end (and I say that no matter what end of the political spectrum it comes from).

Also irritates me when disagreements are seen as partisan attacks. Instead of, like, being objectively wrong (as in evolution attacks).

34 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:55:19pm

Kimberlin/Rauhauser house coming down

WTF is Kimberlin and Rauhauser again?

For such an irrelevant Twitter Stalin you sure do get a lot of Fauxtoshops. But Kimberlin and Rauhauser are relevant.. and you're irrelevant....

Ooohkay.

35 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:56:00pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Heads are exploding over the SWATgate post tonight.

Have you read up on Darby?

Specific claims by others in attendance at the protest (e.g., Ms. Gabby Hicks) state that FBI informant Darby was "...the one to suggest violence, when the rest of us clearly disagreed..." and that "[a]s an older seasoned activist, Darby had a lot of sway over Crowder and McKay, making them susceptible to his often militant rhetoric"[7] i.e. that he acted as an agent provocateur. As well, a former Darby girlfriend and various former colleagues attribute self-serving rather than altruistic or patriotic motivations to Darby's decision to act as an FBI informant.[7]

I really wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to game the system again.

36 jaunte  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:57:05pm

The sensible response to the idea that "swatgate" might be faked, is always "you're fat!"

37 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:57:11pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Heads are exploding over the SWATgate post tonight.

They'll live. In the first place you didn't write it or make that video and neither did I. Osborne Ink simply provided an interesting perspective. They sure can't keep from looking at what they're always calling "an irrelevant blog.

38 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 8:59:53pm

re: #37 Gus

They'll live. In the first place you didn't write it or make that video and neither did I. Osborne Ink simply provided an interesting perspective. They sure can't keep from looking at what they're always calling "an irrelevant blog.

Charles is "irrelevant" right up until the point that the fact that he has PWNed the nuts yet again means he changes into an "evil puppet master". After their butts stop throbbing from the spanking, they go back to calling Charles "irrelevant" again. Self Deception is an ugly thing.

39 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:02:16pm

vagina

40 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:05:55pm

re: #39 Kronocide

vagina

penis

41 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:06:56pm

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

In good smarmy right wing fashion Darby labels himself as an agent provocateur on his twitter page. His description also states "Honored to have served with the FBI," which looks like him falsely trying to imply that he was more of an agent than an informant.

42 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:10:29pm

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

In good smarmy right wing fashion Darby labels himself as an agent provocateur on his twitter page. His description also states "Honored to have served with the FBI," which looks like him falsely trying to imply that he was more of an agent than an informant.

"My plea bargain said I'd have to act like an agent provocateur. Now of course I just tell them I did it for patriotic reasons."

//

43 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:12:09pm

So the SWATter called Stranahan's show... NFW. This has all kinds of stinky agent wingstinkateur all over it.

They're as nutty as the crew over at the stalker site.

44 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:14:21pm

re: #1 kmg

I see the similarity. Sam Donaldson was also rude. He always seemed so smug.

Since when is an arranged one to one interview the same as interrupting the president during a speech well before the question period?

45 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:14:31pm

re: #36 jaunte

The sensible response to the idea that "swatgate" might be faked, is always "you're fat!"

Ponytail!

46 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:15:21pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Since when is an arranged one to one interview the same as interrupting the president during a speech well before the question period?

It's exactly the same if someone can use it to make themselves feel better.

47 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:15:56pm

re: #45 It's a cookbook!

Ponytail!

Lackey!

48 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:15:59pm

Sorry, everyone, but I'm fading and need to sign off for the night.

Sleep Well, all.

49 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:16:26pm

OT: can't friggin' wait for the Civ expansion, which lets you create your own religion for the most part. God that's gonna be fun.

50 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:16:42pm

re: #47 Gus

Lackey!

JAZZY JAZZ MAN!

DERP!

51 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:18:00pm

re: #44 b_sharp

Since when is an arranged one to one interview the same as interrupting the president during a speech well before the question period?

Cheeto Dust!

52 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:20:43pm

re: #47 Gus

Lackey!

Teleprompter!

Ponytail!

Pony-prompter!

53 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:21:39pm

Jazzy fat pony tail cheetoh dust dittos

INTERNETZWON

54 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:22:00pm

re: #51 Kronocide

Cheeto Dust!

What's that orange powder under your nose?

55 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:22:23pm

re: #54 b_sharp

What's that orange powder under your nose?

Oh, that's just the bath salts.

56 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:22:54pm

re: #54 b_sharp

What's that orange powder under your nose?

KIMBERLIN/RAUHAUSER

57 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:23:43pm

re: #54 b_sharp

What's that orange powder under your nose?

As Tony Montana said: It ain't easy, being cheesy.

58 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:26:44pm

re: #55 It's a cookbook!

Oh, that's just the bath salts.

I think there's a big piece of chicken on your chin.

//

59 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:27:20pm

re: #58 Gus

I think there's a big piece of chicken on your chin.

//

Now I just need to figure out how to eat my own chin.

60 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:29:08pm

re: #56 Kronocide

KIMBERLIN/RAUHAUSER

Who's on first?

61 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:29:11pm

re: #58 Gus

I think there's a big piece of chicken on your chin.

//

Complete with 11 herbs and spices.

62 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:29:40pm

re: #60 Gus

Who's on first?

I don't know.

63 Gus  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:31:58pm

re: #62 b_sharp

I don't know.

Thread killer.

//

64 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:33:38pm

re: #63 Gus

Thread killer.

//

It's not dead, it just looks that way.

65 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:34:49pm

My new favorite pastime: convert wingnutticisms to Yoda Speak.

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Wingnut Spice

One in the america I know and love is not which my parents or my baby with down syndrome will have to stand in front of obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, of their 'level of productivity in society based on a subjective judgment,' whether, worthy of health care, are they. Downright evil, such a system is. Herh herh herh.

Wingnut Yoda

66 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:35:38pm

re: #65 Kronocide

My new favorite pastime: convert wingnutticisms to Yoda Speak.

Wingnut Spice

Wingnut Yoda

What say?

67 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:35:53pm
All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years.

Of 'em all, been in front of me over all these years that any of 'em have.

68 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:37:35pm
As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border.

As of the united states of america putin rears his head and comes into the air space, where– where go do they, hmm? Alaska, it is alaska. Just right over the border, it is.

69 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:39:21pm
Especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible.

Of a tragedy unfolding especially within hours, manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn journalists and pundits should not. Reprehensible that is.

70 freetoken  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:43:53pm

Our America, June 16, 2012 edition:

Pinellas School Board candidates talk testing, parent involvement

[...]

One question, about whether creationism should be taught in biology classes, drew a range of responses. Givens and Elliott Stern, who's running in District 1, agreed that there was room to teach about evolution and creationism.

"As long as it's facts that are being taught in our schools, that's what counts," Stern said.

Cassandra Jackson, who's running in District 7, prompted laughter when she paused and said, "I guess if we're going to tell the truth, tell the whole truth, under God."

Notice, once again, how everyone misses the entire point of the actual rulings of our judicial system. When, oh when, will a candidate come out and simply speak the legal truth: creationism is a sectarian religious dogma, and as such in this country the government cannot endorse (in this case by teaching) sectarian religious tests.

71 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:46:02pm
Reporter Philip Klein of The Washington Examiner blogger Duane Lester, of AllAmericanBlogger.com and LibertyNews.com, and citizen film director Andrew Marcus, who produced the much-anticipated movie Hating Breitbart, were the recipients of the inaugural Breitbart Awards at the Future of Journalism Summit in Providence, Rhode Island on June 8.

There's a Breitbart Award?

The zombie apocalypse is in full swing.

72 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:46:21pm

re: #70 freetoken

The definition of the word "fact" eludes these people.

73 gwangung  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:47:06pm

re: #70 freetoken

Our America, June 16, 2012 edition:

Pinellas School Board candidates talk testing, parent involvement

Notice, once again, how everyone misses the entire point of the actual rulings of our judicial system. When, oh when, will a candidate come out and simply speak the legal truth: creationism is a sectarian religious dogma, and as such in this country the government cannot endorse (in this case by teaching) sectarian religious tests.

Well, simpler than that.

Do BIOLOGISTS treat creationism as a fact? No? Then stop acting like the Communists and let the curriculum be.

74 freetoken  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:50:44pm

re: #73 gwangung

Well, simpler than that.

No matter what the field of biology may hold, our constitution is quite clear: the United States is a secular government that is expressly forbidden in upholding religious tests or endorsing religions.

Creation dogmas are found in a variety of religions and to teach one or more of them in a setting funded by public monies has been found by our court system to be incompatible with our constitutional government.

75 gwangung  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:57:27pm

re: #74 freetoken

Oh, pretty much...but I like hammering them as many ways as I can. Most people have a hard time with one argument, let alone multiple ones (particularly when they're all winners). Start with the simple ones. Then work up.

76 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:03:00pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

I just like how the story behind Munro's behavior keeps changing. The first version (the truth), that it was intentional, that his employer and the right were proud of his disrespect didn't focus test well so they had to change it up. Version two, that he thought the President was finished with his prepared remarks (disseminated to the press in advance) was simply too patently absurd to pass the smell test. So now they're on to version three, which is just version one fancied up with an historic footnote that doesn't actually bear scrutiny.

Version four will involve Obama controlling Munro with some kind of African bush magic, and therefore really interrupting himself.

This made me giggle.

77 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:04:37pm
Politico reporter Tim Mak interviewed several conservative activists about Daily Caller reporter interrupting President Obama during the amnesty press conference yesterday.

The general consensus was that Munro may have been off on his timing, but the media was worse in making it the story and not Obama’s amnesty push.

Ah yes... it was a non-story, a minor mistake. But teh lamestreem media made it a story when the amnesty push was the real story.

Don't tell that to the other wingers who triumphulated about Munroe's Donaldsonesque badgery.

78 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:12:02pm
A group of Republican senators on Thursday introduced legislation aimed at blocking the Obama administration’s controversial efforts to extend minimum wage and overtime protections to 2 million in-home care providers through Department of Labor regulations.

Sens. Mike Johanns, R-Neb., and Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., along with 11 other lawmakers, introduced a bill known as the Companionship Exemption Protection Act, to amend the Fair Labor Standards Act to preserve the current state of the law’s so-called companionship services exemption.

LOL, it's like they're trying to be cartoonishly evil. Hey, you know those people washing grandpa, cooking his meals, taking his blood pressure making sure he don't get bedsores? Yeah - well fuck 'em.

79 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:21:16pm

You're not getting it.

Freakishly low paid people should not have any wage protections. Freakishly wealthy people should have to pay even less taxes. This is good for the economy.

Paid for by ONBWARP (objective newsjournalist bloggers who are real patriots

80 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:21:34pm

I'm sorry but um, we don't think going into old people's homes and cleaning up their shit really rises up to the level of minimum wage worthy work. We'd prefer a reward structure that attracts the worst of the worst for that job, people who are absolutely unqualified to do anything else. That's how we show the elderly that we really care about their safety and well being.

81 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:29:35pm

Hey there, um Juanita is it? No? Well whatever. I know that grandpa can be unbelievably racist, won't stop grabbing your ass, misses the toilet seat on purpose and that this isn't exactly an OSHA compliant work environment, but paying you overtime to put up with all this crap is simply out of the question, m'kay.

82 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:30:43pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

It's simultaneously part of the voluntary deportation and the exciting new "voluntary death panels" initiative.

83 Kronocide  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:32:53pm
Neil Munroe was Sam Donaldson before Sam Donaldson was Sam Donaldson. But the real story is that Neil Munroe being Sam Donaldson is not a story, the story is the lamestream media reporting that Neil Munroe is not actually being Sam Donaldson when he is actually Sam Donaldson being Sam Donaldson Before Sam Donaldson Was Sam Donaldson, but Obama gave amnesty to illegals.


RightOnline blogger when asked WTF he is talking about

84 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:04:29pm

re: #79 Kronocide

2011 was a good year to show how lower corporate taxes and higher profits aren't proportional to job creation. There was a one-year window for bonus depreciation that allowed corporations to depreciate 100% of a capital asset purchased in 2011 on their 2011 taxes. Corporate profits soared to the highest level ever.

But just ask the GOP how much job creation the lower taxes and higher profits translated to. And now, the program is over and the businesses that took advantage of the tax break last year have to pay the piper this year and five more.

85 freetoken  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:05:16pm
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86 Kragar  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:06:26pm

We've determined by 8 year old is the female Barney Stinson.

87 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:10:01pm

re: #84 Mich-again

2011 was a good year to show how lower corporate taxes and higher profits aren't proportional to job creation. There was a one-year window for bonus depreciation that allowed corporations to depreciate 100% of a capital asset purchased in 2011 on their 2011 taxes. Corporate profits soared to the highest level ever.

But just ask the GOP how much job creation the lower taxes and higher profits translated to. And now, the program is over and the businesses that took advantage of the tax break last year have to pay the piper this year and five more.

The GOP's gonna do what they did prior to 2010: Gonna whine that extension, rather than the making permanent, of the tax cuts didn't erase the "uncertainty" that they will go away. And it's that "uncertainty" that is keeping companies from creating jobs and expanding, because they're afraid that unless the tax cuts are made permanent, they'll have to pay more next year.

88 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:22:01pm

While the GOP talks about lower taxes, all you need to do is look at my home State to see what happens when the GOP/Tea Party takes over the State Government. In early 2013, a tax bomb is going to go off in Michigan when people figure out how much higher their State tax bill is going up due to lost tax deductions..

All major tax credits except the Homestead Property Tax Credit are now gone. Donations to food banks, shelters, and food kitchens: gone. Donations to charities: gone. Donate your car: gone.

Taxes are instituted or increased on private and public pensions for certain groups of senior citizens/retirees.

Deduction for children in the family has been eliminated.

Homestead Property Tax Credit (HPTC) has been taken away for over a quarter million Michiganders with incomes between $50,000 and $82,650. Poorer and richer people still get it.

Taxes paid to cities (like Detroit) are no longer deductible on your State tax. So taxpayers will pay the full State income tax on the 1.5% of their earnings that went to pay Detroit city taxes. Nice form, Tea Party.

89 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:25:52pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

The GOP's gonna do what they did prior to 2010: Gonna whine that extension, rather than the making permanent, of the tax cuts didn't erase the "uncertainty" that they will go away. And it's that "uncertainty" that is keeping companies from creating jobs and expanding, because they're afraid that unless the tax cuts are made permanent, they'll have to pay more next year.

The volcano god is angry, throw in another virgin to appease it.

The companies are uncertain, give them another tax break to get them back to job creation.

F'ing cargo cult economics.

90 Mich-again  Sat, Jun 16, 2012 11:38:26pm

The only path to sustainability is to conserve resources. Wasting less will reduce the demand and lower prices. When prices for resources fall, so will prices for finished products and this improves everyone's standard of living. So much of what we use is wasted.

91 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:15:29am

Mitt Romney’s Plan To Unite Evangelicals: Pretend He’s Rick Santorum:

From the Etch-a-Sketch's mouth:

“We’re going to have to get America recommitted to those anchors, to the power of family,” Romney told the crowd at the Faith & Freedom Coalition conference in downtown Washington, D.C. Saturday via satellite link. “We need to strengthen the commitment that exists in this country to family.”

“Familes are an important source of strength for the nation,” Romney told the crowd. “Rick Santorum is fond of reminding us of the study that was carried out by the Brookings Institution where they looked at the qualities that were the best predictors of happiness and in this case financial wherewithal.”

“Culture matters,” Romney told the Liberty crowd. “The power of these values is evidenced by a Brookings Institution study that Senator Rick Santorum brought to my attention.”

Because the only thing missing from my bingo sheet of reasons not to vote for Romney was echoing Rick "fuck the gays, pagans, and shamefully independent womenfolk, they have no rights unless we give them" Santorum as a guiding light on social matters.

92 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:17:17am

re: #70 freetoken

Our America, June 16, 2012 edition:

Pinellas School Board candidates talk testing, parent involvement

Notice, once again, how everyone misses the entire point of the actual rulings of our judicial system. When, oh when, will a candidate come out and simply speak the legal truth: creationism is a sectarian religious dogma, and as such in this country the government cannot endorse (in this case by teaching) sectarian religious tests.

This. It opens up a huge can of worms. If schools start teaching the Christian version of creation, then it's only a matter of time before the parents of children of other religions demand that their versions be taught as well.

93 freetoken  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:20:55am
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94 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:26:56am

re: #92 CuriousLurker

This. It opens up a huge can of worms. If schools start teaching the Christian version of creation, then it's only a matter of time before the parents of children of other religions demand that their versions be taught as well.

We are all maggots living on Ymir. The stars are Þjazi's eyes, ripped from his skull by Odin and flung into the sky.

Teach the controversy!

95 Kragar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:33:54am

re: #94 The Ghost of a Flea

We are all maggots living on Ymir. The stars are Þjazi's eyes, ripped from his skull by Odin and flung into the sky.

Teach the controversy!

Pff, its all Elder Gods and Great Old Ones.

96 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 12:39:17am

re: #95 Kragar

Pff, its all Elder Gods and Great Old Ones.

You make your voucher request from Louisiana, and I'll make mine.

97 freetoken  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 1:16:16am

An encore of some Saint-Saens:

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98 researchok  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 1:17:20am

Morning, all

99 researchok  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 1:19:45am

re: #93 freetoken

Sammy- Still missed after all these years, to borrow a phrase.

100 Mr. Crankypants  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 1:47:07am

Howdy! Been a long time since I been around. Who flounced/got the banhammer in the last few months?

101 freetoken  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 3:40:34am
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103 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 4:40:11am

re: #102 Kragar

John McCain: ‘Foreign money’ is dominating Mitt Romney campaign

I believe I can speak for most Americans when I say: "No shit, Sherlock."

Not that it's gonna matter to the Right, because so long as they win, having their ads paid for by Saudi princes or Chinese businessmen is a-okay.

104 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 4:59:01am

re: #69 Kronocide

Except that she was right on that one, Kronicide. The tragedy Sarah Palin was referring to was Jared Lee Loughner's wounding of Con. Gabby Giffords (D, AZ) and killing of 4 other people. But despite the now-infamous 'target map', we now know that Lounghner is a nutcase who was motive to attack Giffords due to his own delusions, not in response to anything Sarah Palin said or did.

105 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:01:41am

re: #9 dragonfire1981

I found him to be an ideologue, that is some one who knows he's right and that anything he does is right and if people get hurt doing it he's cool with that. As long as the people being hurt are not himself or those who think like him.

So yeah, he was a wingnut.

I thought he sounded a bit too articulate myself. From what I've seen the wingnuts tend to be, um, a bit short of communication skills. Sarah Palin being the exemplar of that. I believe lowering the level of Mr. Arnold's vocabulary might bring his wingnuttiness across better.

The next bit of advice comes from my own experience as a writer. I think that adding body language and voice inflections would help. In my experience wingnuts don't much care for being challenged. So make Mr. Arnold's body language aggressive and/or fearful. Make him growl or snap when answering questions.

I hope this helps.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:01:47am

re: #103 Targetpractice

I believe I can speak for most Americans when I say: "No shit, Sherlock."

Not that it's gonna matter to the Right, because so long as they win, having their ads paid for by Saudi princes or Chinese businessmen is a-okay.

This an issue of long-standing concern to John mcCain. The law Citizens United overturned was called the McCain-Feingold law, after all.

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:08:18am

re: #105 Romantic Heretic

I found him to be an ideologue, that is some one who knows he's right and that anything he does is right and if people get hurt doing it he's cool with that. As long as the people being hurt are not himself or those who think like him.

So yeah, he was a wingnut.

I thought he sounded a bit too articulate myself. From what I've seen the wingnuts tend to be, um, a bit short of communication skills. Sarah Palin being the exemplar of that. I believe lowering the level of Mr. Arnold's vocabulary might bring his wingnuttiness across better.

The next bit of advice comes from my own experience as a writer. I think that adding body language and voice inflections would help. In my experience wingnuts don't much care for being challenged. So make Mr. Arnold's body language aggressive and/or fearful. Make him growl or snap when answering questions.

I hope this helps.

I'd say don't do such a thing. Don't make people into caricatures, leave them as full human beings.

I'd also reiterate my conviction that the character in question did not sound nutty at all. Arizona's hand has in many ways been forced by the refusal of the federal government to take action to halt illegal immigration. SB 1070 wasn't the best way to deal with the issue, but that does not mean Arizona's desire to take action is not justified.

108 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:24:34am

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Version four will involve Obama controlling Munro with some kind of African bush magic, and therefore really interrupting himself.

Awesome.

109 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:27:24am

Israel wrong to demand release of American traitor

(CNN) -- The next time an Israeli official petitions the U.S. government to release American traitor Jonathan Pollard from prison, we should tell our friend and longtime ally in an unequivocal tone: He will die in an American prison, so stop asking!

Now, I know that's not how our State Department practices diplomacy, but there is no reason for the United States to be diplomatic with Israel when it comes to Pollard, a former Navy intelligence officer who stole secrets from this country and passed them on to Israel.

Since he was convicted of espionage in 1987 and sentenced to life in prison, thousands of Israelis have made it their mission to get him released and sent to Israel. Why? So he could be treated like a hero?

Let's be clear: Jonathan Pollard is no hero. Other than an American killing a president, he committed the most heinous crime someone from this country could do. You don't go against your own country by passing on secrets to another nation, even if it's an ally like Israel. The crime of treason is even specifically addressed in the U.S. Constitution.

This week, Israeli President Shimon Peres, who was in Washington to receive the United States' Presidential Medal of Freedom, brought with him a petition signed by 70,000 Israelis calling for the released of Pollard.

110 Aye Pod  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:27:39am

Morning folks!

I'm working on a new social networking site for wingnuts, to be called 'Grunt'. It will have a 14 character limit.

111 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:29:17am

re: #62 b_sharp

re: #60 Gus

Just for you two.

Youtube Video
112 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:30:37am

re: #111 PhillyPretzel

Youtube Video
113 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:31:37am

re: #110 Aye Pod

Morning folks!

I'm working on a new social networking site for wingnuts, to be called 'Grunt'. It will have a 14 character limit.

Not enough space. It has to have enough room to allow the writer to post:

KENYAN MUSLIM OBAMA WANTS TO SEND REAL AMERICANS TO FEMA CAMPS!!11

114 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:32:12am

re: #110 Aye Pod

Morning folks!

I'm working on a new social networking site for wingnuts, to be called 'Grunt'. It will have a 14 character limit.

Just enough for them to type WHORE!1!1!!

115 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:32:56am

re: #112 Varek Raith

I think Bud and Lou do a better job.

116 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:33:48am

re: #115 PhillyPretzel

I think Bud and Lou do a better job.

Yep.

117 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:34:59am

PSA, fresh green beans are awesome.

118 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:38:30am

Daredevil completes walk across Niagara Falls

To abide with immigration law, he had a U.S. passport tucked in a plastic bag in his pocket during the trip, according to the affiliate. Two border guards were waiting as soon as he stepped on Canadian soil to ensure he had the correct paperwork.

Lol.
Also, he's nuts.

119 Targetpractice  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:39:53am

re: #118 Varek Raith

Daredevil completes walk across Niagara Falls

Lol.
Also, he's nuts.

What were they going to do if he didn't, make him walk back across?

120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:41:26am

And since LGF's power couple is here now, lets have some photos from the Laura Jarrett wedding the Obamas attended yesterday. The Chicago Tribune did the reporting on this one. but the [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...] has a much better spread of photos.

The photos focus on Michelle Obama and First Daughters Sasha and Malia more than one Barack, but that's fitting: Weddings are for the ladies ultimately, and all three dressed well for the event, as did Michelle's mother.

121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:50:05am

The Tea Party has to dump another turkey:

An elderly Tea Party leader has been forced to step down after telling a racist joke during a rally.

Inge Marler surprised party members with a quip about black welfare recipients that she said she found online.

She was apparently using the inappropriate joke as an ice-breaker prior to her speech on June 9 and had given no warning that she would be telling it.

‘I had no idea,’ Richard Caster, founder of the Ozark Tea Party, told the Huffington Post.

‘She had given me her whole speech, and it was about her growing up in Yugoslavia and coming to America.

‘I am on stage and then she said something not like what she gave me. I was shocked. I looked at the guy next to me and he said “oh my gosh”.’

In the joke, Marler describes a black child asking his mother what a democracy is.

‘Well, son, that be when white folks work every day so us poor folks can get all our benefits,’ the mother responds.

I included the HuffPo link, but had to use the DM article because HuffPo did not say what the racist joke was.

122 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 5:50:14am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Cool! Looking now

123 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:00:06am

Those pictures were great, DF. Malia and Sasha are beautiful.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:09:37am

re: #123 Millicent Islam

Those pictures were great, DF. Malia and Sasha are beautiful.

I thought the photos would be well received. June is the height of the wedding season here in Chicagoland.

125 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:11:12am

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

The Tea Party has to dump another turkey:

I included the HuffPo link, but had to use the DM article because HuffPo did not say what the racist joke was.

The larger surprise is that there are still Tea Party rallies happening.

126 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:11:30am

What are your plans for Father's Day?

I cried a little bit.

127 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:13:07am

re: #126 Learned Mother of Zion

That reminds me I have to call my dad later today to see if his Father's Day gift arrived.

128 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:15:01am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

The larger surprise is that there are still Tea Party rallies happening.

Hope springs eternal in the human breast;


They sat back and watched the OWS crowd freeze during the winter protests!

129 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:16:39am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

The larger surprise is that there are still Tea Party rallies happening.

The head of the Ozark Tea Party, Richard Caster, is very young, only 21. He may figure he's the guy who can 'change the mold' of the Tea Party in Arkansas and keep it extant as a going concern. At least he understands the importance of not allowing racist speech during his events.

130 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:21:32am

Cat roomba video:

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Hope everyone has a great day! We're out for lunch.

131 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:22:28am

We've talked family and the the South, so this next part is as well timed as its gonna get. This is a link to 'StephOU07's YouTube channel, which interested me due to its clips of Jamie Lynn Spears performing in Nashville this week. The audio isn't great, but its decent and Spears' singing is good, though it is country music. So if you dislike country music, you won't like it but otherwise have a listen:

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132 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:24:54am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

Have you read up on Darby?

I really wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to game the system again.

From his wiki page...

In left-wing activist communities, Darby is widely despised for his role in McKay's conviction. He has been welcomed by conservative organizations as a patriot

When I checked his twitter feed yesterday there were lots of Anon types taunting him as a traitor. The voices don't match. There are easily dozens, if not hundreds, of other people that could be presented with the same level of "match". So why implicate Darby? It looks to me like he was chosen as a previously hated target by leftists with a drudge. Seriously, think about. What do you really think the chances are that Darby is making the calls? I'd guess it would be about 1% chance. Maybe less. If it wasn't for his association with Breitbart I'd say he might be a stand up guy.

133 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:39:31am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

The guy's got a wiki page? Color me impressed. Seriously, you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to give a fuck about Darby. As I said yesterday, the fact that he's now feeling the heat of presumed guilt by the community (and I'm not saying he didn't do it) is simply poetic justice. Live by the lie...

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:41:37am

re: #133 darthstar

The guy's got a wiki page? Color me impressed. Seriously, you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to give a fuck about Darby. As I said yesterday, the fact that he's now feeling the heat of presumed guilt by the community (and I'm not saying he didn't do it) is simply poetic justice. Live by the lie...

And what 'community' would that be, Darth?

135 BongCrodny  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:43:25am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

Ozark Tea Party

Redundancy alert!

136 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:44:32am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

And what 'community' would that be, Darth?

The internet community, where these rightwing "celebrities" try to make themselves famous so they can maybe start a blog and make money off of the people who like them. It's the only community that matters. This shit isn't going to wash into his personal life. Certainly he compartmentalizes enough to have an off-line existence.

137 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:46:14am

re: #136 darthstar

The internet community, where these rightwing "celebrities" try to make themselves famous so they can maybe start a blog and make money off of the people who like them. It's the only community that matters. This shit isn't going to wash into his personal life. Certainly he compartmentalizes enough to have an off-line existence.

Here's that communities latest work of art: #WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay

Pretty creepy aye?

138 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:49:01am

Sarah Palin has now picked up on the "SWATing" theme:

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It's about 33-33 minutes in. Had to tell you since I would not feel right making anyone listen to 35 minutes of Sarah Palin.

139 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:51:42am

re: #137 Gus

Here's that communities latest work of art: #WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay

Pretty creepy aye?

Here's some of their 'wit', especially from a little charmer called Keith Ziegler:

keith ziegler ‏@spike7667

#WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay a copy Karl Marx teachings.
from University Park, IL

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1m GayAgendaDalek GayAgendaDalek ‏@NotGayDalek

@GeePickens #WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay A SNIPER RIFLE
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2m keith ziegler keith ziegler ‏@spike7667

#WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay more epa regulation.
from University Park, IL

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Dinner w/ Anne Wintour #WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay
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#WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay A Shiny New Crack Pipe
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#WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay nothing because they are little bitches. Now send them to fetch lattes #caring
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#WhatLiberalsGetDadOnFathersDay a new chevy volt that will burst into flames.:-)
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140 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:52:15am

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

Sarah Palin has now picked up on the "SWATing" theme:

[Embedded content] It's about 33-33 minutes in. Had to tell you since I would not feel right making anyone listen to 35 minutes of Sarah Palin.

Yeah. Two or three (I don't remember the count) "conservatives" get swatted (allegedly -- and by liberals!) over a period of two years and suddenly it's a conspiracy by leftists to silence conservatives. We're all in on it too. Just like Charles and me running the Twitter gulag.

//

141 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:53:42am

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Here's some of their 'wit', especially from a little charmer called Keith Ziegler:

Awesome. What a bunch of losers. Here's a mug shot of one of them: [Link: a0.twimg.com...]

Kind of what I pictured in my mind.

142 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:53:51am

re: #140 Gus

Yeah. Two or three (I don't remember the count) "conservatives" get swatted (allegedly -- and by liberals!) over a period of two years and suddenly it's a conspiracy by leftists to silence conservatives. We're all in on it too. Just like Charles and me running the Twitter gulag.

//

WTF?!?!
Don't I get to run anything nefarious?!?1

143 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:55:43am

re: #133 darthstar

The guy's got a wiki page? Color me impressed. Seriously, you're going to have a hard time getting anyone to give a fuck about Darby. As I said yesterday, the fact that he's now feeling the heat of presumed guilt by the community (and I'm not saying he didn't do it) is simply poetic justice. Live by the lie...

Lies. Exactly why I have an issue with it. I checked the youtube channel that uploaded the video. Just two days ago he posted a video claiming that someone named Randy Taylor-Hahn was the voice of the swatter with a link to the guy's address, phone number, pictures of his house, etc. No evidence aside from the claim that the voice matches and a long confusing story about a personal/political grudge. These "matches" have much more to do with other things than the truth.

144 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:56:18am

re: #142 Varek Raith

WTF?!?!
Don't I get to run anything nefarious?!?1

You're the mastermind of higher power that stays in the background and only appears in the sequel after the first set of minions are defeated.

145 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:56:25am

For Father's Day 2009 I got my Dad a set of vintage WW2 photography books of the Pacific Theater, featuring his ship the USS White Plains.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:56:29am
147 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:57:38am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

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COOOOBBBBRRRRAAAA!!!

148 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 6:59:29am

Killgore, I think Zeigler's your evil half-brother:

149 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:00:21am

re: #143 Killgore Trout

Lies. Exactly why I have an issue with it. I checked the youtube channel that uploaded the video. Just two days ago he posted a video claiming that someone named Randy Taylor-Hahn was the voice of the swatter with a link to the guy's address, phone number, pictures of his house, etc. No evidence aside from the claim that the voice matches and a long confusing story about a personal/political grudge. These "matches" have much more to do with other things than the truth.

Lies!! // Don't know what Randy Taylor-Hahn has to do with this swatting butthurt but that guy's been lifting articles from news sites and claiming he wrote it. That is he's been seriously plagiarizing from places like the New York Times.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:02:35am

re: #147 Varek Raith

COOOBBBRRRAAA!!!

It was adopted when Dana Loech started using the box art from GI Joe's 'Lady Jayne' action figure. I thought: "If she's playing as Lady Jayne, then by extension LGF must be Cobra Command." hence the logo.

151 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:06:26am

re: #149 Gus

Dear god, another rising star...

Most of his tweets are unoriginal aphorisms, and indeed originality is not his strong suit. “Randy” often tweets links to his blog (named “Somewhere In The Middle”) that consist of material plagiarized from all over the internet. There is zero original material at Randy’s blog. This is a major tell that he may not actually be anything he claims to be, as original phrasing is a hallmark of liberalism.

This…isn’t even trying. It’s below the level of a professional moron. Naked, unwashed plagiarism like this would get you kicked out of a podunk community college.

Love that bolded part...funny in the context of this piece on Randy.

Here's the link: [Link: www.osborneink.com...]

And with that my googling of these guys has come to an end.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:06:47am

Some liberals are replying to the haters using Father's Day as an excuse to spew. Most are clever, but this next one just spewed back:

153 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:10:29am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

It was adopted when Dana Loech started using the box art from GI Joe's 'Lady Jayne' action figure. I thought: "If she's playing as Lady Jayne, then by extension LGF must be Cobra Command." hence the logo.

WHAT!
BLASPHEMY!

154 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:12:22am

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

"Republiturd"?
Hurrdurr clever!
/

155 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:12:59am

I'm gonna stop soon, but this one pissed me off:

You know, Trayvon's dad wishes his son was alive to celebrate Father's Day with him.

156 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:16:14am

re: #151 darthstar

Dear god, another rising star...

Love that bolded part...funny in the context of this piece on Randy.

Here's the link: [Link: www.osborneink.com...]

And with that my googling of these guys has come to an end.

I waded through the wall of text as best I could. No evidence that he's the swat caller aside from the false claim that there's a voice match. He seems to just claim that bloggers he doesn't like are making illegal calls to police. I don't hear voice matches and he offers no other evidence that I can see in either case. It looks to me like he's just carrying out a vendetta and I see no reason to take his claims seriously. He appears to be lying to me.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:29:09am

And over on Stalker site "Diary of Daedalus Dorkus" long absent Stalker "panoftheforest" goes on a truly pathetic tirad on the "Twitter Wars" that showcases far right victim mentality perfectly. An excerpt (no link, since its the Stalkers):

I’ve noticed that some of our audience is not engaged in the twitter wars, and some of our posts have become disengaged in some of our Twitter War posts. Please allow me to explain why Twitter is important. Not only for the DOD, but for this election.

See, shortly after the Portly Proletariat met Rauhauser, he began stifling his critics on Twitter. No big deal, right? I mean it’s only Twitter. Wrong, the fat goon didn’t know it, but he’s found himself tangled in a web of liberal tactics to stifles conservative speak during an election year.

Look, he’s stupid and we all know it. This site is dedicated to showing that he’s a moron who Riverdances on his cock ad nauseum. However, he’s really got himself in some deep shit this round. We can usually speedbag the fat clown pretty good, but he’s in pretty deep on a conspiracy to silence conservatives that is now transcending Twitter. I know many of you don’t believe in the power of keeping the #Twittergulag as apparent as the holocaust museum, but I do. We ARE witnessing, in REAL TIME, the stifling of conservative speech, and the oppression of opposing views due to the “free media forum”.

Fight back. It’s as simple as that, and fight back at the fat bastard while you’re at it. This country is as much mine as it is the forces that SWAT me, criticize me, ban me from Twitter, and try to intimidate me. Rodan, Chen, Zappa, et al…We’re JUST bloggers, right? Take a look at this Malkin video:

158 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:29:48am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Nope, no evidence that he's the SWAT caller. And again, I'm not saying he didn't do it. The question needs to be asked. The public has a right to know.

The guy at osborneink does a fairly thorough job of decimating fake Randy, but what's the point? A moderately funded mole in a #stoprush movement? Meh.

159 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:32:54am

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

"Riverdance on his cock ad nauseum" - That's pretty funny. I might steal that.

160 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:33:39am

re: #158 darthstar

The guy at osborneink does a fairly thorough job of decimating fake Randy, but what's the point? A moderately funded mole in a #stoprush movement? Meh.

I couldn't figure that out. Is Randy a lefty? Are they claiming he's a wingnut posing as a lefty?

161 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:34:48am

re: #156 Killgore Trout

Although I believe that Brandon Darby is a borderline dirtbag, I agree that a recording of a recording of a recording of a phone call is incredibly weak evidence against either Darby or (at Patterico's assertion) Ron Brynaert. The accusations revolve around the whole Weinergate thing and Darby being behind the swating doesn't account for the Mike Stack episode or the false statements by Kimberlin that he was SWATed too. It seems to me that someone who likes Weiner a hair too much was behind the SWATs but I still don't see any real evidence linking Kimberlin to any of it. The SWATing and the lawsuits could be 2 completely unrelated issues. Both bad, neither a right/left issue IMO, but not necessarily linked.

OTOH, Calling Kimberlin a crazy, threatening, lying nutjob isn't hyperbole and anyone that intentionally associates with him is tainted. He has a decades long record of filing hundreds of frivolous lawsuits against people who piss him off for the smallest of slights culminating in the Aaron Walker arrest. That's despicable behavior but it doesn't rise to the level of trying to get someone taken out by their local PD.

162 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:34:56am

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I couldn't figure that out. Is Randy a lefty? Are they claiming he's a wingnut posing as a lefty?

He's pointing out Randy is a charlatan.
Simple as that.

163 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:36:06am

Morning folks. An exciting day so far.

(6am)
Me: z-z-z-z-z
FO: Meow, meow, MEOW, meow (Get up and feed me!)
Me: Mmmmph! go away. (Rolls over)

FO comes over to other side of bed, paws at face and nuzzles it with wet cold nose.
FO: Marrrroowww! NOW!
Me: z-z-z-gack! ok OK, keep your fur on!

(FO moves to foot of bed and I get up and stumble to kitchen to put food in cat's dish.)

(I return to find FO curled up in warm spot.)
FO: Mrrrr? (I thought you were done here.)
Me: Move over.
FO: Meow! (Hey, quit hogging! I don't care if you're 10x my size!)
Me: Mmmmph.

(I give up after 30 minutes, get up, read stuff and then make breakfast.)

(9:30am)
FO: Meow! MEOW! (Bastard! You made biscuits and didn't save me any!)
Me: :p
FO: Meow! Mrrr... (I'll get you! Oh look, turkey and gravy with cheese bits! Om NOM NOM!)

164 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:37:35am

re: #161 RogueOne

Although I believe that Brandon Darby is a borderline dirtbag, I agree that a recording of a recording of a recording of a phone call is incredibly weak evidence against either Darby or (at Patterico's assertion) Ron Brynaert. The accusations revolve around the whole Weinergate thing and Darby being behind the swating doesn't account for the Mike Stack episode or the false statements by Kimberlin that he was SWATed too. It seems to me that someone who likes Weiner a hair too much was behind the SWATs but I still don't see any real evidence linking Kimberlin to any of it. The SWATing and the lawsuits could be 2 completely unrelated issues. Both bad, neither a right/left issue IMO, but not necessarily linked.

OTOH, Calling Kimberlin a crazy, threatening, lying nutjob isn't hyperbole and anyone that intentionally associates with him is tainted. He has a decades long record of filing hundreds of frivolous lawsuits against people who piss him off for the smallest of slights culminating in the Aaron Walker arrest. That's despicable behavior but it doesn't rise to the level of trying to get someone taken out by their local PD.

Agreed.

165 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:38:29am

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I couldn't figure that out. Is Randy a lefty? Are they claiming he's a wingnut posing as a lefty?

I think so, but I suspect they think he's hired by Limbaugh's lawyers to worm his way into the left to learn about the inner workings of our great conspiracy machine...but Netroots Nation was last week. Still, the sockpuppetry and focus on #stoprush seems kind of odd and not exactly random.

166 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:39:38am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

And that doesn't even take the whole blowing people up thing into it. People should stay away from lying dangerous animals and those that support them.

167 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:40:15am

re: #161 RogueOne

Nobody's saying Brandon Darby didn't do it.

168 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:41:22am

Too many names. I'm confused.
;)

169 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:41:29am

Happy Fathers day, may your wallet remain closed for your one holy day.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:42:49am

re: #166 RogueOne

And that doesn't even take the whole blowing people up thing into it. People should stay away from lying dangerous animals and those that support them.

Quite Concur.

And on that note:

German police raid scores of radical Islamists' homes

BERLIN (Reuters) - About 1,000 police raided scores of buildings across Germany on Thursday in a clampdown on radical Salafist Islamists suspected of plotting against the state.

German officials fear the Salafists, who trace their roots to Saudi Arabia and want to establish Sharia (Islamic) law in Europe, are fuelling militancy among a small minority of socially alienated young Muslims in Germany.

SNIP

Among the homes targeted was that of radical preacher Ibrahim Abu Nagie, who is associated with a campaign to distribute free copies of the Koran that German officials fear could contribute to radicalization of young Muslims.

"Today's operation shows we are raising the pressure on the Salafists and are acting with resolve against their anti-democratic behavior," Spiegel Online quoted Ralf Jaeger, the interior minister of North-Rhine Westphalia, Germany's most populous state, as saying.

Friedrich said last month Germany was considering a legal ban on all Salafist groups, saying they were "ideologically close to al Qaeda" and bent on destroying liberal democracy.

171 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:45:56am

re: #166 RogueOne

And that doesn't even take the whole blowing people up thing into it. People should stay away from lying dangerous animals and those that support them.

There are a lot of dishonest and shady folks in this story but Kimberlin is the top of the heap. I could understand a bit more if he had some change of heart and owned up for his past but that doesn't seem to be the case. Just yesterday I read an article about a guy convicted of eco-terrorism who went on to get a degree in Environmental Studies. I was expecting the usual celebration/excuses for radicalism in pursuit of a greater good but was pleasantly surprised to see him talk about regret for his past and how his professors guided him to show him the errors of his past. People can change.

172 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:46:00am

re: #167 darthstar

Nobody's saying Brandon Darby didn't do it.

I'm saying there isn't any evidence he did. I don't think there's any actual evidence that anyone specific did it yet. My take on the Osbourne video is that it's a mistake for people to turn this into a R vs L issue. My dislike/distaste of Patterico has been on record ever since I got here (I brought it here from a different blog) but no one, anywhere, needs a visit from their local SWAT team because we disagree on politics/criminal justice.

173 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:47:47am

If the right thinks Kimberlin did it, there have to be voice recordings for comparison and voice print analysis somewhere, are they doing that?

174 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:48:10am

Its a total non troversy to me so I haven't been paying much attention.

175 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:49:38am

re: #173 Randall Gross

If the right thinks Kimberlin did it, there have to be voice recordings for comparison and voice print analysis somewhere, are they doing that?

Somebody did do a voice comparison youtube video claiming a match to a Kimberlin associate. It wasn't any more convincing than the new lefty video implicating it was a wingnut inside job.

176 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:50:03am

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

And on that note:

German police raid scores of radical Islamists' homes

Among the homes targeted was that of radical preacher Ibrahim Abu Nagie, who is associated with a campaign to distribute free copies of the Koran that German officials fear could contribute to radicalization of young Muslims.

SNIP

I hope there's more to it than a devious plan to distribute a book.

177 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:51:04am

Zedushka just told me what he wants for Father's Day: A New Laptop!

I told him to go to Dell.com and pick out what he wants.

178 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:51:14am

re: #173 Randall Gross

If the right thinks Kimberlin did it, there have to be voice recordings for comparison and voice print analysis somewhere, are they doing that?

They'd like it to be Kimberlin or at least linked to him. So far, no one has produced a drop of evidence. I certainly wouldn't put it past him but that doesn't make it true.

179 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:51:16am

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Link? I'd like to listen now that I've heard the other.

180 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:51:21am

I've seen no evidence that this is some lefty conspiracy to silence the right.

181 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:51:52am

re: #172 RogueOne

I'm saying there isn't any evidence he did. I don't think there's any actual evidence that anyone specific did it yet. My take on the Osbourne video is that it's a mistake for people to turn this into a R vs L issue. My dislike/distaste of Patterico has been on record ever since I got here (I brought it here from a different blog) but no one, anywhere, needs a visit from their local SWAT team because we disagree on politics/criminal justice.

It's all bullshit. He probably didn't do it, or he did. I don't give a crap. Hell, I don't even know who Patterico is. The important takeaway here is that these guys love stirring up shit on the internet. Brave internet warriors they are. That they may be feeling the sting of some unexpected blowback (whether or not it's justified is unimportant) is just par for the course (unless you're Tiger Woods...then it's a bogey).

182 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:52:35am

re: #176 RogueOne

I hope there's more to it than a devious plan to distribute a book.

I'm sure there is. The Germans don't just go after someone for handing out Korans. But sometimes that sort of campaign is intended to draw young men to services done in the radical style.

183 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:52:53am

re: #179 Randall Gross

Link? I'd like to listen now that I've heard the other.

Voice of Patterico's Swatter Compared to Voice of Ron Brynaert.mp4

Youtube Video
184 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:53:10am

re: #177 Learned Mother of Zion

Zedushka just told me what he wants for Father's Day: A New Laptop!

I told him to go to Dell.com and pick out what he wants.

Dell laptops suffer from a poor reputation nowadays. But if it's a matter of convenience, go for it!

185 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:53:25am

re: #176 RogueOne

I hope there's more to it than a devious plan to distribute a book.

Stop Literacy before it stops you!

186 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:53:34am

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Umm, I thought they were saying it was Kimberlin, now it's someone else?

187 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:54:23am

re: #186 Randall Gross

Umm, I thought they were saying it was Kimberlin, now it's someone else?

Some weirdo was saying it was Tommy Christopher. Yes. It's a cluster fuck.

188 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:54:58am

You'll forgive me for not taking the word of proven liars.
;)

189 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:55:09am

re: #180 Varek Raith

I've seen no evidence that this is some lefty conspiracy to silence the right.

It makes much more sense than it coming from Darby (especially since it was Stack who got it first) but I don't believe everyone on the left side of the aisle is tainted by a nut who agrees with their politics. Lets face it, not everyone out there is playing with a full deck.

190 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:55:46am

re: #186 Randall Gross

Umm, I thought they were saying it was Kimberlin, now it's someone else?

Brynaert is an associate of Kimberlin.

191 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:55:58am

re: #188 Varek Raith

You'll forgive me for not taking the word of proven liars.
;)

Yeah. Lee Stranahan is even getting in on the act. It's pretty hilarious.

192 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:56:25am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

I'm sure there is. The Germans don't just go after someone for handing out Korans. But sometimes that sort of campaign is intended to draw young men to services done in the radical style.

Kind of like evangelicals or Mormons? Nothing's more radical than putting on a white shirt and black tie and walking around on a "mission"...except maybe fireboming a women's health clinic.

193 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:56:28am

Except for accent KT, the callers don't sound alike to either me or my wife.

194 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:56:35am

re: #189 RogueOne

It makes much more sense than it coming from Darby (especially since it was Stack who got it first) but I don't believe everyone on the left side of the aisle is tainted by a nut who agrees with their politics. Lets face it, not everyone out there is playing with a full deck.

Youtube Video
195 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:58:25am

re: #180 Varek Raith

I've seen no evidence that this is some lefty conspiracy to silence the right.

It's a lefty posing as a righty posing as a lefty. So everyone thinks the left is guilty at first, then realizes it's really the right that did it - those dishonest bastards - while it was really the left all along! Why do I suddenly want a Scooby snack?

196 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:58:33am

re: #193 Randall Gross

Except for accent KT, the callers don't sound alike to either me or my wife.

Agreed. I think that demonstrates how easy it is to make a youtube video claiming there's a voice match. Some people will believe they hear a match if it fits their agenda.

198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 7:59:43am

This whole thing needs something like a 100-day rule. It's a lot of talking-head drivel, rumor mongering, and mud flinging with no real evidence backing it up. If it's a real issue (SWATTING), let law enforcement deal with it for now. Otherwise, it's simply pot-stirring for the sake of finding a pseudo-issue to yell and scream about.

Off to confuse the cat.

199 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:00:27am

My dog just stuck her head through my screen door. That's the 3rd time, this time because a dove landed on the porch. I need to find a metal grate to cover the damn thing. Replacing that damn screen is starting to get annoying.

200 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:00:31am

re: #198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

This whole thing needs something like a 100-day rule. It's a lot of talking-head drivel, rumor mongering, and mud flinging with no real evidence backing it up. If it's a real issue (SWATTING), let law enforcement deal with it for now. Otherwise, it's simply pot-stirring for the sake of finding a pseudo-issue to yell and scream about.

Off to confuse the cat.

/agree

201 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:01:44am

re: #199 RogueOne

My dog just stuck her head through my screen door. That's the 3rd time, this time because a dove landed on the porch. I need to find a metal grate to cover the damn thing. Replacing that damn screen is starting to get annoying.

It's the dove's fault!

202 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:01:51am

re: #192 darthstar

Kind of like evangelicals or Mormons? Nothing's more radical than putting on a white shirt and black tie and walking around on a "mission"...except maybe fireboming a women's health clinic.

Well, the Islamic radicals would probably do that, too. To them, women are to be subservient and produce children.

BBL

203 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:03:08am

Keep off the grass - Todd Snider

Youtube Video
204 darthstar  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:03:24am

8am...time to go run the dogs on the beach then enjoy a day with my wife.

205 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:05:10am

re: #199 RogueOne

My dog just stuck her head through my screen door. That's the 3rd time, this time because a dove landed on the porch. I need to find a metal grate to cover the damn thing. Replacing that damn screen is starting to get annoying.

There's a way to fix that, Let me take a picture of what we did and post it in a minute.

206 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:05:34am

Here's a sound bite to compare

[Link: www.politicususa.com...]

207 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:06:09am

re: #201 darthstar

It's the dove's fault!

..and it's completely unimpressed with the dogs. They're both standing at the door with their heads hanging through crying about it and the bird is ignoring the both of them.

208 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:08:30am
209 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:09:28am

Has everyone seen this? Kimmel hooks up 7 yr old kid to fake lie detector:

Youtube Video
210 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:10:17am

Good morning,
I just heard on the radio that Rodney King is dead, found at the bottom of a pool. What a shame.

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

211 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:10:52am

re: #208 Gus

He never did get himself cleaned up.

212 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:13:41am

re: #207 RogueOne

..and it's completely unimpressed with the dogs. They're both standing at the door with their heads hanging through crying about it and the bird is ignoring the both of them.

We basically got one of these [Link: www.petdoors.com...] and I drilled out the snaps and sewed it on with heavy duty weed wacker cord since the snap together tabs kept coming undone. Once you see it however, you get the basic idea and you could make your own with wood or plastic strips.

213 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:19:20am

re: #198 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

This whole thing needs something like a 100-day rule. It's a lot of talking-head drivel, rumor mongering, and mud flinging with no real evidence backing it up. If it's a real issue (SWATTING), let law enforcement deal with it for now. Otherwise, it's simply pot-stirring for the sake of finding a pseudo-issue to yell and scream about.

Off to confuse the cat.

That's about right. From reading up on previous swatting cases they are solvable but it takes about 6 months.

214 RogueOne  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #212 Randall Gross

A gate is a good idea, it's on the front porch so I don't think the mailman would like it.//

Time to get ready for the fathers day cookout. Enjoy the day people!

215 Mich-again  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:31:42am

I just saw that Rodney King died. Oh the wingnuts are going to be having a field day in the comments sections all across the interwebs..

216 Randall Gross  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:32:14am

re: #214 RogueOne

Here's pictures in case others are interested:
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

217 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:34:20am

Montana GOP Convention Features ‘Obama Library’ Riddled With Fake Bullet Holes
Pema Levy June 17, 2012, 10:50 AM 844

Outside the Montana state Republican Party convention this weekend was an outhouse labeled the “Obama Presidential Library” and covered in painted-on bullet holes.

Inside the outhouse contained a fake birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama, according to the Helena Independent Record.

It was stamped “Bull——.” A graffito advised “For a Good Time call 800-Michelle (crossed out), Hillary (crossed out) and Pelosi (circled in red.)”

Continues.

218 Kronocide  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:38:31am

Doh Gus!

Stay Classy GOP.

219 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:41:41am

re: #218 Kronocide

Doh Gus!

Stay Classy GOP.

Just noticed the edit. ;)

220 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 8:59:18am

Mitt Romney vows to do 'the opposite' of Obama

No kidding..//

221 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:02:12am

re: #220 Achilles Tang

Mitt Romney vows to do 'the opposite' of Obama

No kidding..//

Doesn't that imply that Romney will immediately recognize a Palestinian state?

222 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:04:46am

re: #217 Gus

What classy people they are. ///

223 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:06:52am

re: #222 Romantic Heretic

What classy people they are. ///

Yeah. Hey, I have an idea. For the Colorado convention let's put together a "Romney library" using an outhouse shot up with bullet holes. That'll be OK right?

//

224 dragonath  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:06:53am

re: #220 Achilles Tang

Romney, the Bizarro

ME AM ROMNEY

HA HA ME STOP OBAMA BEFORE HE IMPROVE WORLD

225 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:08:55am

re: #196 Killgore Trout

Agreed. I think that demonstrates how easy it is to make a youtube video claiming there's a voice match. Some people will believe they hear a match if it fits their agenda.

And some people will not hear a match even if it's obvious, because they have an agenda.

226 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:10:46am

I just listened to that recording again with fresh ears, and one of the swat callers absolutely does sound very similar to Brandon Darby.

I'm not saying it's proof. But it's just flat wrong to say conclusively that they don't match. They do sound very similar, and it's not just me who thinks so.

227 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:12:47am

re: #221 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Doesn't that imply that Romney will immediately recognize a Palestinian state?

That will be a great sound bite for virtually every Obama campaign ad.

What will Romney do on reproductive rights? The opposite of Obama.
What will Romney do on immigrant rights? The opposite of Obama.
What will Romney do on gay rights? The opposite of Obama.
What will Romney do on terrorist? The opposite of Obama.

I like it.

228 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:13:14am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

So why implicate Darby? It looks to me like he was chosen as a previously hated target by leftists with a drudge.

The focus is on Darby because he's been involved in these claims from the very beginning, and has a history of double-dealing and dirty tricks. Seems pretty obvious to me why some people suspect him.

229 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:16:25am

Note to Bob Schieffer: When Romney says that if Obama wanted to do something about immigration, he should have done so in the first three years of his administration, you are supposed to point our that the president tried to get the Dream Act passed and that Republicans blocked it. Not just let the comment stand and ask if Romney thinks the president is politically motivated in his timing.

But, that's our liberal media for you. I wonder when these news shows with falling ratings are going to figure out that it's because they are losing liberal viewers and not just conservatives?

230 Artist  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:19:06am

re: #220 Achilles Tang

Mitt Romney vows to do 'the opposite' of Obama

No kidding..//

Does that mean Romney's going to try and resurrect Osama Bin Laden?

231 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:19:37am

There are lots of people with more training in voice analysis than me, and I'm no expert. But I did spend many years training my ears to listen closely to music and voices; this doesn't automatically make my opinion the correct one, but it's not just based on an "agenda," and frankly it's insulting to suggest that.

232 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:20:19am

re: #230 Artist

Does that mean he's going to try and resurrect Osama Bin Laden?

No, but there are plans for a postmortem baptism.

//

233 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:24:37am

Another unfortunate soundbite from Rmoney via Twitter.

Sam Stein ‏@samsteinhp

Romney says "things are getting better in America", realizes implication of remark, adds "as long as we get off the path" Obama's chosen

234 The Left  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:26:48am

re: #217 Gus

A graffito advised “For a Good Time call 800-Michelle (crossed out), Hillary (crossed out) and Pelosi (circled in red.)”

Nope, no woman-hating there. /

235 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:27:54am

Gee, I wonder what Sheldon Adelson will get for buying the White House for Mitt Romney?

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Probes by the Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission focus on the casino company's operations in Macau, the world's biggest gambling hub, court documents show. A former executive in Adelson's empire, whose allegations are believed to be central to the probe, cites potential illegal dealings with a public official, as well as a tie to an organized crime figure. (That link was first reported by Reuters in a 2010 special report: High-rollers, triads and a Las Vegas giant -

236 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:30:49am

re: #234 Millicent Islam

Nope, no woman-hating there. /

Piltdown man politics.

238 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:42:11am

re: #231 Charles Johnson

There are lots of people with more training in voice analysis than me, and I'm no expert. But I did spend many years training my ears to listen closely to music and voices; this doesn't automatically make my opinion the correct one, but it's not just based on an "agenda," and frankly it's insulting to suggest that.

The source of these claims has posted two youtube videos claiming to match two different people to the swatting calls. Neither one is a very good match and both are people he has personal/political grudges with. He's also posting personal information, addresses and pictures of people's homes. I don't consider him a reliable source. We are talking about a crime here, I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of a serious crime based on such flimsy evidence.

239 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:47:05am

re: #238 Killgore Trout

The source of these claims has posted two youtube videos claiming to match two different people to the swatting calls. Neither one is a very good match and both are people he has personal/political grudges with. He's also posting personal information, addresses and pictures of people's homes. I don't consider him a reliable source. We are talking about a crime here, I don't think it's fair to accuse someone of a serious crime based on such flimsy evidence.

Are you aware that every single point you're making here can also be applied to the claims being made by the right wingers -- with even less evidence for them?

Where is the real evidence that Brett Kimberlin -- who seems to be a real creep, yes, we know that -- had anything to do with these incidents? There is a sum total of zero evidence for this claim. It's nothing but supposition and assumptions.

Yet, you seem much more willing to believe the right wing narrative.

240 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:48:37am

re: #217 Gus

Montana GOP Convention Features ‘Obama Library’ Riddled With Fake Bullet Holes
Pema Levy June 17, 2012, 10:50 AM 844

Silence conservatives hey? Their agenda to dehumanize and marginalize democrats and liberals is going quite well.


The billboard in the link is on display between Madison and Milwaukee. The more they talk the less they have to say.

241 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:53:46am

Not only is the right accusing Kimberlin with no evidence, they're also trying to tie me to this crap, in any way they can, with less than zero evidence. You'll have to excuse me if that tends to make me suspicious of their claims. These are people with a long history of lying and fraud.

242 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:58:21am

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Are you aware that every single point you're making here can also be applied to the claims being made by the right wingers -- with even less evidence for them?

Where is the real evidence that Brett Kimberlin -- who seems to be a real creep, yes, we know that -- had anything to do with these incidents? There is a sum total of zero evidence for this claim. It's nothing but supposition and assumptions.

Yet, you seem much more willing to believe the right wing narrative.

The evidence that these calls are related to Kimberlin is circumstantial. The victims of the prank calls share the common thread of having written about him or had run ins with him in the past. Sure the wingnuts are known liars and their voice analysis video isn't any better than the moonbat ones. Occam's razor leads to to lean towards thinking that the swatting is probably from their political opponents. I see no evidence that it's an inside job and they swatted themselves.

243 Gus  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 9:58:33am

re: #241 Charles Johnson

Not only is the right accusing Kimberlin with no evidence, they're also trying to tie me to this crap, in any way they can, with less than zero evidence. You'll have to excuse me if that tends to make me suspicious of their claims. These are people with a long history of lying and fraud.

The old right-wing nutjob "absence of evidence is evidence." They tie this all in with you, Soro, Barbra Streisand, Pelosi, me, EIEIO. Those knuckleheads think I authored that piece from Osborne Ink so clearly now I'm part of the conspiracy with the usual suspects. Plus these nut, and that includes Michelle Malkin, have add their dripping conspiracy about #Twittergulag into this.

244 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 10:02:06am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

The evidence that these calls are related to Kimberlin is circumstantial.

No, it's not. There's a difference between circumstantial evidence -- for example, a fingerprint at a crime scene -- and unsupported assumptions. The wingnut crowd has neither direct nor indirect evidence for their accusations.

245 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 10:21:24am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

The evidence that these calls are related to Kimberlin is circumstantial. The victims of the prank calls share the common thread of having written about him or had run ins with him in the past. Sure the wingnuts are known liars and their voice analysis video isn't any better than the moonbat ones. Occam's razor leads to to lean towards thinking that the swatting is probably from their political opponents. I see no evidence that it's an inside job and they swatted themselves.

Having generated antagonistic relationships with a large group of people isn't circumstantial evidence against one man. The swattees all wrote negatively about a lot of the same people. You don't seem to know that circumstantial evidence actually is.

You also don't explain your reasoning behind your assumption of Occam's tilt. Why is it easier to think that the swatting is an opponent plot rather than a home grown publicity stunt? All you give is raw assertion with absolutely reasoning. Apparently it doesn't strike you as odd that Erick Erickson claims he preemptively warned the police that he was likely to be swatted before it happened. I find that kind of behavior and apparent certainty of foreknowledge very odd.

246 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 10:55:45am

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Having generated antagonistic relationships with a large group of people isn't circumstantial evidence against one man. The swattees all wrote negatively about a lot of the same people. You don't seem to know that circumstantial evidence actually is.

Agreed. It could be anybody making the calls. They've collectively pissed off a lot of different people.

You also don't explain your reasoning behind your assumption of Occam's tilt. Why is it easier to think that the swatting is an opponent plot rather than a home grown publicity stunt? All you give is raw assertion with absolutely reasoning. Apparently it doesn't strike you as odd that Erick Erickson claims he preemptively warned the police that he was likely to be swatted before it happened. I find that kind of behavior and apparent certainty of foreknowledge very odd.

Sure it's possible that the wingnuts are swatting themselves but it just seems unlikely. They are prone to publicity stunts and fake videos, etc. If they are swatting themselves they are they are putting their own families in danger to manufacture these incidents. Using their own well known activists to make the calls and be recording and screaming at the top of their lungs to get a congressional investigation which sill surely result in their own arrests. Sure wingnuts are stupid but it's unlikely that they'd hatch this grand conspiracy without someone bailing out getting nervous about the inevitable jail time.
Swatting has been around for a while mostly in Anon/4chan hacker types for quite some time. They would be the most likely suspects.
On the basis of the new voice comparison video, which is the only evidence of an inside job, I think it's highly unlikely that the FBI is going to add Darby (or that other dude) to their list of suspects.

247 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 1:36:28pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Who is EBL?

248 kmg  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 2:41:37pm

Smug Sam should also take off that ridiculous looking toupee already. It does nothing to improve his credibility. We know he's bald and like 80 years old. It's time :-)

249 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 3:39:32pm

re: #248 kmg

Weak.

Weak insult, weak trolling...just all-round flaccid.

250 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 3:51:52pm

Good for Mr. Donaldson for coming forward to respond to the Righty's bs that he engaged in conduct similar to Munro.

The WHY should ban Murno/Daily Caller from the press room.

251 Patricia Kayden  Sun, Jun 17, 2012 3:52:31pm

Last sentence should read "The WH" -- typing too fast.

252 mjohnso27  Mon, Jun 18, 2012 11:07:04am

re: #3 dragonfire1981

Hi Dragonfire1981:
I know I'm late to the party, but I've got a quick question re: the following statement in your initial post:

I walked into a store the other day and one of the first things you see upon entering is a poster of Barack Obama with crosshairs on him and the caption: ENEMY OF THE STATE.

Was this a store in the U.S.? If so, you probably should let your local Secret Service office know about it. It could count as a violation of the federal law that makes it illegal to threaten the President.


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