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1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:22:46pm

And this is why I love LGF. I like political banter but I like fine music even more. This is fine guitar. I remember singing this song once during karaoke a few years back in college. Hard Day's Night isn't quite Sergeant Pepper's but it's a very good album on its own merits.

2 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:26:08pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And this is why I love LGF. I like political banter but I like fine music even more. This is fine guitar. I remember singing this song once during karaoke a few years back in college. Hard Day's Night isn't quite Sergeant Pepper's but it's a very good album on its own merits.

Im partial to Rubber Soul.

3 CarleeCork  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:26:51pm

Beautiful.

4 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:27:21pm

re: #2 PT Barnum

Im partial to Rubber Soul.

That has "In My Life" on it. Have a special liking for that one since my folks danced to it at their wedding. My one small complaint if I have one about the Beatles is they didn't use George enough. No disrespect to Paul and John but Harrison was a fine artist too.

5 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:34:45pm

Makes me wish I could play guitar.
Probably wouldn't take though; I still have to look at the keyboard when I type...

6 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:37:38pm

From an article on Yahoo on Romney getting blasted for politicizing the tragedy:

A senior Romney aide, who declined to be named, dismissed the idea that the Republican candidate had been damaged by his response to the attacks in Libya and Egypt. The aide insisted to Yahoo News that the election would likely come down to an "overall referendum" on Obama's performance in office—including on foreign policy and the economy. "'Are you better off than you were four years ago?' is the question that will determine the election," the Romney aide said.

Is this the aide that thought putting Clint Eastwood on prime-time was a good idea? Or the one that thought praising Bill Clinton before his speech was a good idea? Or the one who thought releasing Romney's angry "response" to Obama's speech.....before Obama had even finished the speech....was a good idea? Or maybe it was the aide who suggested picking Paul Ryan as his running-mate and shifting the focus of the race from the economy and Obamacare, to Medicare and Social Security?

WORST. CAMPAIGN. EVER.

(I also find it funny that this guy is out there saying there was nothing wrong with Romney's reaction, and that it wouldn't be damaging.....but isn't willing to put his name on it. Even this aide doesn't want to associate his name with statements this stupid.)

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:39:44pm

re: #6 JamesWI

From an article on Yahoo on Romney getting blasted for politicizing the tragedy:

Is this the aide that thought putting Clint Eastwood on prime-time was a good idea? Or the one that thought praising Bill Clinton before his speech was a good idea? Or the one who thought releasing Romney's angry "response" to Obama's speech.....before Obama had even finished the speech....was a good idea? Or maybe it was the aide who suggested picking Paul Ryan as his running-mate and shifting the focus of the race from the economy and Obamacare, to Medicare and Social Security?

WORST. CAMPAIGN. EVER.

(I also find it funny that this guy is out there saying there was nothing wrong with Romney's reaction, and that it wouldn't be damaging.....but isn't willing to put his name on it. Even this aide doesn't want to associate his name with statements this stupid.)

Well the guy is going to need a job if Mitt loses. Unless Mitt runs again in 2016 which I highly doubt.

8 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:40:39pm

re: #6 JamesWI

Or maybe it was the aide who suggested picking Paul Ryan as his running-mate and shifting the focus of the race from the economy and Obamacare, to Medicare and Social Security?

Yeah, that's working out real well so far:

Fox Poll: Obama By 5 Points, Tied With Romney On Economy

When Faux News is posting those kinds of numbers, you know the internal Romney HQ polls are utter shit.

9 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:42:32pm

re: #5 OhNoZombies!

Makes me wish I could play guitar.
Probably wouldn't take though; I still have to look at the keyboard when I type...

In a way, I think being a non-musician sort of helps me appreciate music more but man oh man I wish I could play an instrument too. Was really pleased that my kid brother's learning one in school. That's one of my regrets from grade school- not learning an instrument.

10 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:04pm

For those who remember the 1996 campaign, were the latter days of Dole's run anything like this? I'm curious if the Republicans did a better job of managing expectations or there was just a whole lot more vote splitting going on back then.

11 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:44:47pm

re: #10 dragonath

For those who remember the 1996 campaign, were the latter days of Dole's run anything like this? I'm curious if the Republicans did a better job of managing expectations or there was just a whole lot more vote splitting going on back then.

I'm curious about that too. I only remember Kang and Kodos running for office that year heh.

12 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:44:48pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

In a way, I think being a non-musician sort of helps me appreciate music more but man oh man I wish I could play an instrument too. Was really pleased that my kid brother's learning one in school. That's one of my regrets from grade school- not learning an instrument.

Same here. I always wanted to play violin or cello.

13 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:44:49pm

re: #10 dragonath

For those who remember the 1996 campaign, were the latter days of Dole's run anything like this? I'm curious if the Republicans did a better job of managing expectations or there was just a whole lot more vote splitting going on back then.

I used to say that this reminded me of Kerry's run back in '04, but even got a modest bounce out of the DNC. Romney got virtually nothing, and Obama's started to pull away. Unless he can find some way to fake charisma in time for the debates, the fix is in.

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:48pm

re: #12 OhNoZombies!

Same here. I always wanted to play violin or cello.

Violin, yeah! Or the fiddle. Love the fiddle in traditional Celtic music. I listen to Celtic a music a ton when I'm writing or studying.

15 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:46:29pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

I used to say that this reminded me of Kerry's run back in '04, but even got a modest bounce out of the DNC. Romney got virtually nothing, and Obama's started to pull away. Unless he can find some way to fake charisma in time for the debates, the fix is in.

He's doomed.

16 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:31pm
17 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:38pm

My oldest just started the violin in her school orchestra.

18 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:50:15pm

re: #16 JamesWI

Such a absolutely brutal picture. Makes Bush look gracious by comparison.

19 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:50:38pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Violin, yeah! Or the fiddle. Love the fiddle in traditional Celtic music. I listen to Celtic a music a ton when I'm writing or studying.

I like Celtic music too, but i find that when I'm in the car, I have to roll up my windows...
I have a very eclectic taste in music.
Some of the looks I get are hilarious.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:50:47pm

re: #16 JamesWI

Image: tumblr_ma9ojsQioF1qmgvpro1_1280.jpg

Really not the most flattering photo.

21 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:51:08pm

re: #17 Kragar

My oldest just started the violin in her school orchestra.

You still have a school orchestra? Lucky.

I'm surprised we still have shop--Home Ec bit it on the last round of cuts.

I'm pretty sure the only reason we have band is that if they get rid of him, they have to find something to do with 65 kids during those hours.

22 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:51:37pm

Image: tumblr_ma90b5npxR1rgxeeio1_500.jpg

I like this one too. I bet he probably had that smirk after Clint's speech, thinking "Man, Clint really took it to Obama there!"

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:51:59pm

re: #19 OhNoZombies!

I like Celtic music too, but i find that when I'm in the car, I have to roll up my windows...
I have a very eclectic taste in music.
Some of the looks I get are hilarious.

Heh I'm pretty weird myself. I can go from stuff like Perry Como that my Dad's folks enjoyed to your typical classic rock that my Dad grew up on, and then anything in between. Really though, it amuses me when I hear people say there's no good new music these days. You just have to look.

24 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:13pm

re: #18 dragonath

Such a absolutely brutal picture. Makes Bush look gracious by comparison.

I don't know if you all are missing the subtle addition to the photo. McKayla is not impressed with Mitt's statement.

25 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:30pm

re: #16 JamesWI

Image: tumblr_ma9ojsQioF1qmgvpro1_1280.jpg

Like I said earlier, that's the smirk of a guy who thinks he's got the upper hand.

26 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:39pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Heh I'm pretty weird myself. I can go from stuff like Perry Como that my Dad's folks enjoyed to your typical classic rock that my Dad grew up on, and then anything in between. Really though, it amuses me when I hear people say there's no good new music these days. You just have to look.

Lies!
No good music anywhere!!!
:P

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:53:19pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Lies!
No good music anywhere!!!
:P

Kids and Lawns!

28 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:54:23pm

I like how no one has noticed the gymnast.

29 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:54:31pm

re: #16 JamesWI

Image: tumblr_ma9ojsQioF1qmgvpro1_1280.jpg

The expressions on the faces of the audience are very informative.
Puts that smirk in perspective.

30 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:14pm

Can't wait for Boardwalk Empire's season premiere Sunday night.

31 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:17pm

re: #28 Kragar

I like how no one has noticed the gymnast.

She wasn't impressed. Heh.

32 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:45pm

re: #26 Varek Raith

Lies!
No good music anywhere!!!
:P

33 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:57pm

re: #10 dragonath

Dole was a different sort of guy, though what he has in common with Romney is both were tagged "it" by the GOP institution and thus waited their turn.

34 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:56:47pm

re: #28 Kragar

I like how no one has noticed the gymnast.

I caught that. Looks like she swallowed a fly.
Or caught a whiff of bullshit.

35 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:57:29pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

Like I said earlier, that's the smirk of a guy who thinks he's got the upper hand.

When this is all over, he will have lost, he may even be humiliated, without a shred of dignity left, but he'll still have mucho dinero.

36 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:58:49pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Can't wait for Boardwalk Empire's season premiere Sunday night.

SPOILER WARNING FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T WATCHED THE PREVIOUS SEASON:

I just don't know if they can carry it without Michael Pitt's character in the show. I don't think Nucky and Lapsed-Catholic-Irish-lady can carry the show all on their own.

They don't have the benefit that Game of Thrones had when they killed off (redacted for possible spoilers): That is, the benefit of a hundred different storylines to take his place.

37 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:59:19pm

What a weird fucking day.

38 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:12pm

re: #35 Mocking Jay

When this is all over, he will have lost, he may even be humiliated, without a shred of dignity left, but he'll still have mucho dinero.

39 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:43pm

re: #36 JamesWI

SPOILER WARNING FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T WATCHED THE PREVIOUS SEASON:

I just don't know if they can carry it without Michael Pitt's character in the show. I don't think Nucky and Lapsed-Catholic-Irish-lady can carry the show all on their own.

They don't have the benefit that Game of Thrones had when they killed off (redacted for possible spoilers): That is, the benefit of a hundred different storylines to take his place.

I think they can do it. I'm a big fan of Michael Kenneth Williams' character and the guy who plays Rothstein is also awesome. Still shocked about the second season finale though. Friend of mine worked on the show and had to keep that secret the whole summer and fall.

40 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:49pm

re: #36 JamesWI

maybe the time sequence will not be linear

41 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:01:00pm

re: #38 dragonath

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You know what? I needed that.

42 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:09pm

Ugh, Netflix, what is your deal? You can't get me the second season of The Walking Dead, but you can get Highlander 2?!

43 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:24pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Ugh, Netflix, what is your deal? You can't get me the second season of The Walking Dead, but you can get Highlander 2?!

Iknowrite

44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:35pm

re: #40 engineer cat

maybe the time sequence will not be linear

From what I understand, they're going to 1923 so that means we're going to see Harding's death and the revealations of corruption within that administration including Harding's AG who has been featured in a few episodes.

46 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:03:16pm

Speaking of smells...
We finally turned off the air-conditioner and opened all the windows, and a stupid skunk sprayed. I think it probably got run over cause my house has smelled like skunk ass for the past three hours.
It's giving me a headache.

47 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:03:59pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Ugh, Netflix, what is your deal? You can't get me the second season of The Walking Dead, but you can get Highlander 2?!

I went through this with Breaking Bad. They probably won't get WD2 until a week or so before the next season premiers because fuck you that's why.

48 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:04:26pm

re: #45 Mocking Jay

538 Nowcast: Obama with 91.6% chance of victory and 100 vote electoral margin (bonus: new MI polls)

I really can't see outside a dramatic downturn in economic fortune how Romney wins this thing. People seem to be growing more optimistic and people are seeing what a rube Mitt is.

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:05:00pm

Gosh I need to get into Breaking Bad and 30 Rock. So many shows, so little time. Same thing with books and video games. And oh yeah and then there's my social life.

50 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:05:39pm

re: #45 Mocking Jay

538 Nowcast: Obama with 91.6% chance of victory and 100 vote electoral margin (bonus: new MI polls)

What's the difference between the Now-cast and the Nov 6? Is it just the Now-Cast is what would happen if the vote was today, while the Nov. 6 tries to take into account things that will happen between now and November?

51 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:06:18pm

re: #45 Mocking Jay

43% for Romney is mighty low. That's like, McCain territory. Lower, actually.

52 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:06:26pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

I really can't see outside a dramatic downturn in economic fortune how Romney wins this thing. People seem to be growing more optimistic and people are seeing what a rube Mitt is.

It would have to be a dramatic downturn in the next couple weeks. Somebody linked me to an article the other day from back in July, which was wildly optimistic about Romney's chances, but did point out the reality that with the various rules for early voting in effect, the power of major events to alter the election diminishes as we get closer to Election Day, rather than increasing.

53 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:06:48pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Gosh I need to get into Breaking Bad and 30 Rock. So many shows, so little time. Same thing with books and video games. And oh yeah and then there's my social life.

Drop the social life. It really doesn't bring much to the table...

54 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:10pm

re: #53 Mocking Jay

Drop the social life. It really doesn't bring much to the table...

Ha!

55 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:13pm

re: #50 JamesWI

What's the difference between the Now-cast and the Nov 6? Is it just the Now-Cast is what would happen if the vote was today, while the Nov. 6 tries to take into account things that will happen between now and November?

Pretty much. Nate's forecast has to take into effect that Romney has a narrowing chance of actually retaking the lead, whether through the debate or through some outside force.

56 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:34pm

re: #53 Mocking Jay

Drop the social life. It really doesn't bring much to the table...

Life? What's that?

57 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:09:09pm

re: #50 JamesWI

What's the difference between the Now-cast and the Nov 6? Is it just the Now-Cast is what would happen if the vote was today, while the Nov. 6 tries to take into account things that will happen between now and November?

Uhhh yeah, sure, why not...

58 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:09:15pm

re: #16 JamesWI

Image: tumblr_ma9ojsQioF1qmgvpro1_1280.jpg

he was already smirking during the question part

what a shithead

59 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:09:39pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

Life? What's that?

I won't remember after next Tuesday when Borderlands 2 comes out.

60 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:10:58pm

Honest call me crazy but I thought Mitt was in trouble the second he had trouble finishing up the primary. I know Obama was in a tough one too but there's a difference between going up against Hillary Clinton as your top rival and Rick Santorum. Well it helps to be likable in the first place which Obama is and Romney ain't. I am though in the middle of September still amazed that Santorum ended up being Romney's top challenger.

61 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:11:51pm

Off to bed.
Hope tomorrow is relatively normal.
Sweet lizard-y dreams everybody.

62 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:12:17pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Honest call me crazy but I thought Mitt was in trouble the second he had trouble finishing up the primary. I know Obama was in a tough one too but there's a difference between going up against Hillary Clinton as your top rival and Rick Santorum. Well it helps to be likable in the first place which Obama is and Romney ain't. I am though in the middle of September still amazed that Santorum ended up being Romney's top challenger.

It was really just his turn at the top of the polls.

63 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:15:23pm

Wow. The man who insulted our closest ally during their moment of pride managed to fuck up a foreign policy moment. Whodathunkit?

64 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:15:28pm

re: #59 Mocking Jay

I won't remember after next Tuesday when Borderlands 2 comes out.

Holding out for XCOM.

65 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:11pm

re: #64 Kragar

Oh yeah.

66 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:32pm

re: #62 Mocking Jay

It was really just his turn at the top of the polls.

Ayep, he was the latest and last "Not Romney." They first looked at Bachmann and decided she was too batshit, looked at Perry and decided he was too stupid, looked at Cain and decided he was too sleazy, looked at Gingrich and decided he was too immoral, and finally settled on Santorum. Problem was, by that time, Romney had taken so much of a lead in the primaries that there was no way Rick could really challenge him anymore.

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:17:29pm

re: #62 Mocking Jay

It was really just his turn at the top of the polls.

I agree but still if he was a better fundraiser, he could have given Mitt a fight. Remember how important Michigan and Ohio were for Mitt. I had thought that he would have had it locked up by then.

68 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:17:55pm

XCOM: Enemy Unknown first look - in-game footage and interview

69 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:18:05pm

re: #64 Kragar

Holding out for XCOM.

And I'm waiting til next year's tax return so I can finally upgrade my new computer with a proper gaming video card. Figure I'll enjoy TF2 in the mean time.

70 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:20:07pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

And I'm waiting til next year's tax return so I can finally upgrade my new computer with a proper gaming video card. Figure I'll enjoy TF2 in the mean time.

Got a new PC back in January, but just swapped my old video card over. It died this week. New one should be here tomorrow.

71 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:21:27pm

re: #70 Kragar

Got a new PC back in January, but just swapped my old video card over. It died this week. New one should be here tomorrow.

I'd considered that, but I'd still have to upgrade the power supply. And I don't have the equipment to check if the card's in good shape or not.

72 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:21:35pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

1923 will be interesting. actually, as nearly as i can make out the wild and crazy part of the 20s didn't really get started until 1924 or 1925, so maybe they will depict nucky feeling old fashioned as the partying gets wilder and his fellow gangsters get more and more violent

73 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:21:48pm

re: #59 Mocking Jay

I won't remember after next Tuesday when Borderlands 2 comes out.

Heh.

Have you seen the Borderlands 2 Skill Tree Calculator? Now you can plan your obsession before it starts.

74 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24:12pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I'd considered that, but I'd still have to upgrade the power supply. And I don't have the equipment to check if the card's in good shape or not.

Thats why I just went and ordered it from Dell. They had my PC specs so I just typed in the service tag and they listed all the cards they had which would work with my system.

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:25:31pm

re: #72 engineer cat

1923 will be interesting. actually, as nearly as i can make out the wild and crazy part of the 20s didn't really get started until 1924 or 1925, so maybe they will depict nucky feeling old fashioned as the partying gets wilder and his fellow gangsters get more and more violent

That's an interesting idea. The historical characters are interesting to me but I like the fictional ones as well. Forgot to mention that my favorite character on the show is probably Harrow, the vet with the disfigured face. He's a fascinating character.

76 Digital Display  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:26:42pm

ok..painkillers wearing off...I'm out so I'm going to be one pissed off boy in the morning but the knee is so much better. ( you know it's bad when you refuse to go pee and hold it and just lay in bed. I'm sorry Jesus but I've sure said a lot of bad words for 5 days..:) I worked in a shipyard building Subs for 20 years.. My cursing is a thing of beauty.

My next post in a few will be about guitar playing and music in general

77 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:28:35pm

re: #74 Kragar

Thats why I just went and ordered it from Dell. They had my PC specs so I just typed in the service tag and they listed all the cards they had which would work with my system.

Thing is, I'm working with a HP computer, and they don't have anything that nice for me. So I'm stuck doing the heavy lifting.

78 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:34:12pm

Ah well, I still got games to occupy me. I...uhm...well, I never finished Mass Effect 3. Or Skyrim. Or got all the endings for New Vegas.

79 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:38:26pm

re: #78 Targetpractice

Ah well, I still got games to occupy me. I...uhm...well, I never finished Mass Effect 3. Or Skyrim. Or got all the endings for New Vegas.

Such a pain in the ass getting all the bad karma endings for NV. I act like a total bastard, then kills some ghouls and my karma shoots right back up.

80 Digital Display  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:40:44pm

Sorry I killed the thread..Will talk about music in a few...
Found out today I don't get postal service where I am moving to. I'm going all Green Acres on everybody...So once a week Winston and I will drive into town for supplies and mail. I am getting so jacked up to start a new life...I pinch myself..Yes this is really going to happen!

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:42:56pm

re: #79 Kragar

Such a pain in the ass getting all the bad karma endings for NV. I act like a total bastard, then kills some ghouls and my karma shoots right back up.

"I'm a complete monster!"
*Hour of ghoul killing later*
"Son of a bitch!"

82 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:46:16pm

wow - it seems that the great one, sidney bechet, played a buescher tru-tone soprano of the same vintage as the one i got - a pre 1927 model with the antique style pearl g# key

83 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:49:09pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

"I'm a complete monster!"
*Hour of ghoul killing later*
"Son of a bitch!"

"So I lured an innocent man to his death by sniper, blew away an old lady for her special gun and stolen everything that wasn't nailed down. Let me kill these mindless creatures so I can get upstairs and gun down some peaceful ghoul refugees...

... and I'm a hero again. Fuck."

84 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:59:26pm

re: #83 Kragar

"So I lured an innocent man to his death by sniper, blew away an old lady for her special gun and stolen everything that wasn't nailed down. Let me kill these mindless creatures so I can get upstairs and gun down some peaceful ghoul refugees...

... and I'm a hero again. Fuck."

I played the House storyline right up til you have to take care of the Brotherhood...then found out that the storyline's bugged so that you can't convince House to spare them/initiate an alliance with them. And playing the Legion storyline was just too far over the line for me.

85 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:00:35pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

I played the House storyline right up til you have to take care of the Brotherhood...then found out that the storyline's bugged so that you can't convince House to spare them/initiate an alliance with them. And playing the Legion storyline was just too far over the line for me.

I AM LEGION

86 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:01:14pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

I played the House storyline right up til you have to take care of the Brotherhood...then found out that the storyline's bugged so that you can't convince House to spare them/initiate an alliance with them. And playing the Legion storyline was just too far over the line for me.

I ran every story line, even ran the whole campaign as a pacifist before the DLCs came out. Ran the whole game and never fired a shot and had no kills.

87 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:02:28pm

re: #86 Kragar

I ran every story line, even ran the whole campaign as a pacifist before the DLCs came out. Ran the whole game and never fired a shot and had no kills.

Still think it's cool that they actually took the time to put everything in you'd need for a pacifist run.

88 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:07:00pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Still think it's cool that they actually took the time to put everything in you'd need for a pacifist run.

Luckily, the pacifist route meant it was okay to use Boone and Ed-E mercilessly.

89 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:07:10pm

The hobby store I ordered from for years went of business recently. I looked around at other online outlets and finally settled on one in Minnesota. They had a good selection and reasonable prices. I placed a 31 dollar order. They sent an e-mail confirming the order. This included the heretofore unsuspected news that they take 2-3 weeks to ship orders. That's right, weeks to even process and send the order. I am not in urgent need of model planes and related products but a 2 or 3 week delay in shipping an order strikes me as the absolute nadir of customer service.

I'm usually very careful about reading fine print but this is something so weird and unheard of in this business you wouldn't think of asking about it until you actually see it. There was no warning at all about this, you don't see the shipping time until you actually place the order.

They have a phone number but there is no human being answering it and there is no provision for cancelling an order on their website.

Fortunately, they don't bill your credit card until they actually ship, though I might have died or the dollar could have become worthless by that time.
I don't know what's up with these clowns but I suspect they don't have a lot of repeat business. They certainly won't get any from me.

90 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:10:18pm

re: #88 Kragar

Luckily, the pacifist route meant it was okay to use Boone and Ed-E mercilessly.

"It's not technically killing if I don't fire the shot."

91 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:14:51pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

"It's not technically killing if I don't fire the shot."

Cosmo: I cannot kill my friend.
[to his henchmen]
Cosmo: Kill my friend.

92 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:15:50pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Ugh, Netflix, what is your deal? You can't get me the second season of The Walking Dead, but you can get Highlander 2?!

As how much they'll pay you to watch Highlander 2. (pro tip: whatever they offer, it isn't enough).

93 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:21:22pm

re: #92 sagehen

As how much they'll pay you to watch Highlander 2. (pro tip: whatever they offer, it isn't enough).

I like how they have The Omen parts 1 and 3, but not 2.

Because fuck you part 2.

94 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:24:00pm

re: #93 Kragar

I like how they have The Omen parts 1 and 3, but not 2.

Because fuck you part 2.

I've lost track of the number of sequels they have, but not the original movies themselves.

95 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:24:48pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

I've lost track of the number of sequels they have, but not the original movies themselves.

I'm talking about just the original 3.

96 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:28:24pm

Is anybody here willing to talk "Sons of Anarchy" with me, the new season??

97 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:28:54pm

re: #95 Kragar

I'm talking about just the original 3.

I was speaking in general. They've got Iron Man 2, Captain America, and Thor, but no Iron Man or The Incredible Hulk. And Transformers: Dark of the Moon, but Transformers and Transformers 2 aren't there. But if you're willing to add $8 more a month, you can get them on DVD.

I'm pretty convinced by now that they do this shit because they know they milk your wallet for more if you add DVDs to your subscription.

98 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:22pm

Wow, what a day. Romney's campaign just went under.

99 Big Joe  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:31pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

I've lost track of the number of sequels they have, but not the original movies themselves.

They do have all 9 Hellraisers though!

100 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:33:22pm

re: #98 Kronocide

Wow, what a day. Romney's campaign just went under.

Somehow, I don't think the man has succeeded in plumbing the depths of his own stupidity just yet. Get the feeling that there's worse things to come yet.

101 Big Joe  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:33:39pm

I'm also getting discouraged about all the HD content that isn't available on the PC, now mostly TV-only.

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:34:23pm

Ugh, I've stayed up way too late. Need to get some rack time. Laters.

103 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:41:06pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Somehow, I don't think the man has succeeded in plumbing the depths of his own stupidity just yet. Get the feeling that there's worse things to come yet.

I'm really looking forward to the debates.

104 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:42:15pm
105 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:47:37pm

re: #103 Kronocide

I'm really looking forward to the debates.

An exciting new venue for Mitt to fuck up in.

106 Digital Display  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:58:37pm

re: #105 Kragar

An exciting new venue for Mitt to fuck up in.

Whoever wins the debates will be the President.
It will be a worthy test for both men to determine the fate of the free world.
I just love this time of the election season. The Super Bowl of politics every 4 years. ( Like the Olympics )
Never ever underestimate your opponent. Mitt will not be a pussy pushover on National TV. I think the debates will be classic with Obama winning. ( I hope )

107 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:36:19am

Franz Ferdinand - Ulysses

108 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:41:29am

scissor sisters- take me out

109 freetoken  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:52:00am

re: #96 sagehen

Is anybody here willing to talk "Sons of Anarchy" with me, the new season??

I'm sorry to let you down... but I still haven't watched it.

Maybe not many SoA fans around here?

Heck, I've not watched the latest Dr. Who episode... and DWTS and Strictly Come Dancing are just around the corner. I'm not sure I'll even get to The Walking Dead when it starts up - just too few hours in the day.

110 researchok  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 12:57:15am

Morning, all

111 researchok  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 1:06:20am

re: #108 Kragar

Very good.

112 Digital Display  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 1:15:16am

re: #110 researchok

Morning, all

Morning..

113 freetoken  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 1:31:27am
114 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:17:37am

Uh-oh, now an attack in Yemen...

Yemeni protesters storm U.S. embassy in Sanaa: witnesses

(Reuters) - Hundreds of Yemeni demonstrators stormed the U.S. embassy in Sanaa on Thursday in protest at a film they consider blasphemous to Islam, and security guards tried to hold them off by firing into the air.

The attack followed Tuesday night's storming of the United States Consulate in Benghazi, where the ambassador and three other staff were killed. President Barack Obama said the perpetrators would be tracked down and ordered two destroyers to the Libyan coast, but there were fears protests would spread to other countries in the Muslim world.

Witnesses in Sanaa said the demonstrators smashed windows of the security offices outside the embassy before breaking through the main gate of the heavily fortified compound in eastern Sanaa. Security guards opened fire.

Film on al-Jazeera television showed demonstrators jumping up and down on the parapet of the building and scaling the walls.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

115 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:18:09am

re: #114 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Uh-oh, now an attack in Yemen...

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Yemeni crickets!

116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:28:28am

Now the AP version...

SANAA, Yemen — Protesters angered by an anti-Islam film stormed the US Embassy compound in Yemen's capital, Sanaa Thursday.

The protesters were on the embassy's grounds but did not enter the building housing the offices.

Before storming the embassy compound, the demonstrators removed the embassy's sign on the outer wall and set tires ablaze. Once inside the compound, they brought down the U.S. flag and burned it.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Let us hope that this is all it amounts to, people letting of steam and doing vandalism instead of an organized attack.

117 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:31:25am

So we have countries full of undereducated people who have almost no concept of free speech or artistic freedom. They assume that any article or film that comes out must be approved if not sponsored by the governmnet.

We have people in these countries that do understand freedom of the press, they are just happy to get the masses worked up.

Like the Danish Mohammed cartoons and US Koran burnings, these things would have bassed with barely a notice had people not made an active effort to rile up the masses over them.

And they seem to succeed every time, which only encourages them.

118 Pip's Squeak  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:38:37am

re: #113 freetoken

Vaughan Williams?

119 freetoken  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:39:01am

re: #117 Expand Your Ground

So we have countries full of undereducated people who have almost no concept of free speech or artistic freedom. ....

Notice though that the rioters number in only the hundreds (maybe a bit more in Egypt), and this is in nations made up of millions of people.

This suggests to me that these things, while not exactly "staged", are being intentionally orchestrated by agitators who are really trying to put themselves over as the power brokers in their societies.

120 simoom  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:42:26am

re: #116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

BBC says the outer compound is back under control but the protests outside continue:

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Police shot in the air in an attempt to hold back the crowds, but failed to prevent them gaining access to the compound and setting fire to vehicles.

A number of people were reported to have been injured.

...

Security force reinforcements in Sanaa used tear gas, water cannon and live fire to drive back protesters.

They have now regained control of the Sanaa compound, but protests are continuing outside.

121 freetoken  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:44:48am

re: #118 Pip's Squeak

Elgar.

122 simoom  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:46:31am

re: #120 simoom

CBS says 3-4K protesters:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

(CBS News) LONDON - There were clashes Thursday between anti-U.S. protesters and Yemeni police at the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa. CBS News sources say a large group of protesters reached the walled compound, but failed to breach any of the buildings inside the compound as police fired warning shots to try to disperse the crowd.

All U.S. embassies and diplomatic posts were ordered to increase security measures Wednesday by President Obama, following the deadly attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, on Tuesday.

The number of protesters in Sanaa was estimated between 3,000 and 4,000, according to sources speaking to CBS News partner network Sky News.

123 simoom  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:46:59am

I'm off, back later in the day.

124 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:52:17am

re: #123 simoom

I'm off, back later in the day.

which day?
/

125 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:00:14am

Morning Honcos.

126 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:03:30am

wow. up to a whole dozen. Canadian football team!

127 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:04:46am

re: #126 Expand Your Ground

wow. up to a whole dozen. Canadian football team!

GO TIE CATS!!!

128 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:08:01am

re: #126 Expand Your Ground

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

8 teams ,,and two of them had the same name!!!

129 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:09:35am

re: #128 sattv4u2

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

8 teams ,,and two of them have the same name!!!

If it wasn't for the CFL we have never seen Pamela Anderson nekkid and wouldn't know the dangers of Hepatitis C.

130 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:10:03am

I do, however, like the larger field, especially with how much bigger and faster players are nowadays!

131 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:10:11am

re: #128 sattv4u2

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

8 teams ,,and two of them have the same name!!!

Doesn't matter, all the players are named Murray and respond to any question with "Eh?"

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:11:39am

re: #130 sattv4u2

I do, however, like the larger field, especially with how much bigger and faster players are nowadays!

What I love is the fact that they have no "fair catch" rule. Then you see American players put up their hand on a punt. The entire stadium stands in anticipation for what is coming next.

133 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:15:02am

I always though that the Alouettes are the gay-est sounding name for a team evah!!

NTTAWWT!!!

Coaches fire-up speech

Men , go out there and pluck some feathers out of a lark!!!

((what the song is about))

134 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:15:34am

MIAMI (CBSMiami) — Three people were charged with child abuse after a dentist operating out of a home left a 14-year-old girl with permanently disfigured teeth.

And now the victim’s mother is speaking out, urging others to use licensed dentists and never trust anyone who is performing dentistry out of their home.
[Link: miami.cbslocal.com...]
From the "No Shit" file.

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:16:24am

re: #133 sattv4u2

You are toast when Alouette shows up!!!

136 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:16:37am

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

MIAMI (CBSMiami) — Three people were charged with child abuse after a dentist operating out of a home left a 14-year-old girl with permanently disfigured teeth.

And now the victim’s mother is speaking out, urging others to use licensed dentists and never trust anyone who is performing dentistry out of their home.
[Link: miami.cbslocal.com...]
From the "No Shit" file.

It would only make sense if he was a home schooled dentist...

137 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:17:12am

re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar

MIAMI (CBSMiami) — Three people were charged with child abuse after a dentist operating out of a home left a 14-year-old girl with permanently disfigured teeth.

And now the victim’s mother is speaking out, urging others to use licensed dentists and never trust anyone who is performing dentistry out of their home.
[Link: miami.cbslocal.com...]
From the "No Shit" file.

All those people that have been using him are now looking for a dentist in a van in a parking lot of the local Dennys!

138 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:17:24am

re: #135 Cannadian Club Akbar

You are toast when Alouette shows up!!!

LOL

139 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:17:32am

Good morning. Have some Lyrics Born.

140 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:23:34am

New Thermal Imaging System Could Help Detect Drunk People
PATRAS, Greece (CBS Seattle) – A new use for old technology could give police a hand in spotting drunks in public.
[Link: seattle.cbslocal.com...]
Note to self: Avoid Greece.

141 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:24:00am

re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar

New Thermal Imaging System Could Help Detect Drunk People
PATRAS, Greece (CBS Seattle) – A new use for old technology could give police a hand in spotting drunks in public.
[Link: seattle.cbslocal.com...]
Note to self: Avoid Greece.

Or drink wine coolers

142 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:24:36am

re: #140 Cannadian Club Akbar

Note to self: Avoid Greece.

My doctor has been telling me that for years, but I just love fried foods!!!
/

143 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:25:56am

re: #141 Expand Your Ground

Or drink wine coolers

I hear thats going to be the name of the next Canadian Football team

The Quebec Wine Coolers!

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:30:35am

re: #143 sattv4u2

I hear thats going to be the name of the next Canadian Football team

The Quebec Wine Coolers!

I would expect that from the French.
///

145 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:31:47am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would expect that from the French.
///

Well, that is why the Alouettes are Jaunty!!!!
/

146 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:33:17am

and all wet

147 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:35:21am

Japanese robot to take top-ranked university exam
[Link: www.myfoxdc.com...]

He's also being recruited to play quarterback!!

148 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:38:42am

re: #147 sattv4u2

Japanese robot to take top-ranked university exam
[Link: www.myfoxdc.com...]

He's also being recruited to play quarterback!!

As soon as it learns to do bong hits standing on its head...

149 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:39:37am

re: #148 Expand Your Ground

As soon as it learns to do bong hits standing on its head...

And how to accept cash in an envelope and a new car every semester from a booster!

150 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:39:56am

Morning all. Day off work - yippee!

151 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:40:04am

re: #147 sattv4u2

I am in a "Dead Pool" for the NFL season. You pick the winner (and the spread is involved). You lose, you out. Last week I took SF over GB +5.5. This week I took B'more over Philly, in Philly, +5.5.

152 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:42:35am

re: #150 Aye Pod

Morning all. Day off work - yippee!

Don't let ICE know

The Honey Do List WILL be addressed!!

153 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:43:03am

re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am in a "Dead Pool" for the NFL season. You pick the winner (and the spread is involved). You lose, you out. Last week I took SF over GB +5.5. This week I took B'more over Philly, in Philly, +5.5.

Good choice

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:44:00am

re: #153 sattv4u2

Good choice

Talk about needing a QB. Philly has "issues".

155 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:45:56am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

Talk about needing a QB. Philly has "issues".

AND ,, it looks as if Ray Lewis and Ed Reed know this is their last (real) shot at it

156 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:47:40am

re: #154 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #155 sattv4u2

After week 1, it looks like the only things that are standing in the way of the Patriots going 16-0 is their games against the Ravens and the 49ers

157 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:47:41am

re: #47 Mocking Jay

I went through this with Breaking Bad. They probably won't get WD2 until a week or so before the next season premiers because fuck you that's why.

I was a latecomer to Breaking Bad (I swear, I am always late to the party), and by the time Season 4 had finished its broadcast run, I was hooked like a meth addict -- so tired of waiting for Netflix, that I bought the individual episodes from ITunes.

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:48:30am

re: #155 sattv4u2

AND ,, it looks as if ray Lewis and Ed Reed know this is their last (real) shot at it

Yahoo Sports had a nice article about how Cam Newton was pouting after the Bucs game. He had 8 total TD's last year against us. Last Sunday he had 4 yards rushing, albeit he threw for 300.

159 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:48:33am

re: #148 Expand Your Ground

As soon as it learns to do bong hits standing on its head...

Please don't hit me.

160 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:49:44am

re: #159 BongCrodny

Please don't hit me.

Stop standing on your head!

161 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:50:00am

re: #152 sattv4u2

Don't let ICE know

The Honey Do List WILL be addressed!!

12:00 Do the dishes.

12:30 Political activism in town square

2:00 Ironing.

3:00 Drink!

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:50:28am

re: #157 BongCrodny

I've been watching "Walking Dead" and "The Unit". The Unit kinda rules. Figures since Eric Haney is the supervising producer and the series was made from his book "Inside Delta Force".

163 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:50:54am

re: #161 Aye Pod

12:00 Do the dishes.

12:30 Political activism in town square

2:00 Ironing.

3:00 Drink!

I figured with you doing the list, she'd start drinking WAY earlier than that!!

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:55:52am

re: #163 sattv4u2

I figured with you doing the list, she'd start drinking WAY earlier than that!!

I would drink before the political activism.
/

165 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:56:37am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

I would drink before the political activism.
/

I do both at the same time

I'm a multi tasker

166 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:57:37am

re: #160 sattv4u2

Stop standing on your head!

The view is better.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:57:55am

re: #165 sattv4u2

I do both at the same time

I'm a multi tasker

168 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:58:07am

re: #163 sattv4u2

I figured with you doing the list, she'd start drinking WAY earlier than that!!

Reply censored by iceweasel/

Btw, still laughing at your Dahmer comment on last night's thread.

169 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:02:04am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've been watching "Walking Dead" and "The Unit". The Unit kinda rules. Figures since Eric Haney is the supervising producer and the series was made from his book "Inside Delta Force".

What I'm really enjoying about "Walking Dead" is how the TV series is an adaptation, but not an *exact* adaptation, of the comic book. Certain characters in the comic have died while the characters are still alive in the TV series, and vice versa.

While I don't expect a happily ever after -- Kirkman, if I recall correctly, has said that the show is about the end of the human race -- the show has its own set of surprises (coughSophiacough) different from the comic book storyline.

170 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:02:34am

re: #168 Aye Pod

Reply censored by iceweasel/

Btw, still laughing at your Dahmer comment on last night's thread.

thanks

my (small) contribution to that madness

171 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:03:40am

re: #156 sattv4u2

re: #155 sattv4u2

After week 1, it looks like the only things that are standing in the way of the Patriots going 16-0 is their games against the Ravens and the 49ers

Probably 18-1, if the Giants win again. ;-P

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:04:40am

re: #169 BongCrodny

Yea. The Sophie thing was a a nice touch for the rest to look and evaluate their beliefs in killing those who are already dead.

173 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:05:19am

re: #171 BongCrodny

Probably 18-1, if the Giants win again. ;-P

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! It's funny because it's true!!!
/

174 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:05:53am

re: #171 BongCrodny

Probably 18-1, if the Giants win again. ;-P

neener neener neener (fingers in ears)

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:06:01am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! It's funny because it's true!!!
/

TWICE!!!

176 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:06:03am

re: #173 Cannadian Club Akbar

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! It's funny because it's true!!!
/

SHUTTY!

177 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:06:15am

re: #175 Cannadian Club Akbar

TWICE!!!

SHUTTY TWICE!!

178 Aye Pod  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:10:52am

Need to get tickets to see this guy soon:

179 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:11:05am

re: #46 OhNoZombies!

Speaking of smells...
We finally turned off the air-conditioner and opened all the windows, and a stupid skunk sprayed. I think it probably got run over cause my house has smelled like skunk ass for the past three hours.
It's giving me a headache.

It probably met another skunk and got romantic.

180 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:12:23am

re: #179 Sheila Brovlofski

It probably met another skunk and got romantic.

181 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:13:22am

re: #179 Sheila Brovlofski

my house has smelled like skunk ass

I've never gotten that close to a skunks ass to determine what it smells like!!
/

(reminds me of an old joke)

"Do you like the smell of moth balls?"
"Yes, I do"

"Really? How far do you have to hold their wings apart so you can smell them??"

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:16:31am

There is a spokesman for a group that doesn't want CAIR to talk to kids in skools and a guy from CAIR on my radio. Heh. I personally don't want any religious group talking to kids in public skools. But then again, I have no childrens, so.....

183 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:17:19am
184 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:18:25am

re: #183 Sheila Brovlofski

Well shitfire, they're attacking the embassy in Yemen now.

And in Cairo, again!

[Link: rt.com...]

185 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:18:50am

re: #182 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a spokesman for a group that doesn't want CAIR to talk to kids in skools and a guy from CAIR on my radio. Heh. I personally don't want any religious group talking to kids in public skools. But then again, I have no childrens, so.....

Nor do you understand that this is a Christian Nation where Christians may speak in schools about American Values, which are rooted in the Bible and Christianity, and not in Islam and the Koran!

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:19:22am

A job on Craig's List. Listing: New Adult Talent. Here is an excerpt.
I am currently trying to set up meetings with potential stars for a new adult project. It is reality themed, as this genre has recently seen a surge in popularity. All participants will be consenting adults. I am only looking for ladies at this point as I have had an overwhelming response from the male actors

Once again, from the "No Shit" file.

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:23:04am

NYC big-soda crackdown plan goes to vote today
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Well it's about time.
///

188 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:24:07am

re: #187 Cannadian Club Akbar

NYC big-soda crackdown plan goes to vote today
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Well it's about time.
///

Soon there will be back-alley Big Gulp vendors springing up everywhere...

189 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:24:54am

re: #188 Expand Your Ground

Soon there will be back-alley Big Gulp vendors springing up everywhere...

(((pssstt,,, buddy ,, hey ,, buddy ,,,, pssst ,, wanna big gulp!?!?!)))

Wait ,, that doesn't sound right !!!

190 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:26:14am

re: #189 sattv4u2

(((pssstt,,, buddy ,, hey ,, buddy ,,,, pssst ,, wanna big gulp!?!?!)))

Wait ,, that doesn't sound right !!!

Wanna suck on a big, juicy 40-ouncer?

191 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:28:53am

re: #188 Expand Your Ground

Soon there will be back-alley Big Gulp vendors springing up everywhere...

You can still buy a 2-liter bottle of soda at a bodega.

192 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:29:13am

re: #188 Expand Your Ground

Soon there will be back-alley Big Gulp vendors springing up everywhere...

re: #189 sattv4u2

(((pssstt,,, buddy ,, hey ,, buddy ,,,, pssst ,, wanna big gulp!?!?!)))

Wait ,, that doesn't sound right !!!

If I were a store owner I would say "free refills" all day and write the date of purchase on the extra thick strofoam cups.:)

193 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:29:50am

re: #191 Sheila Brovlofski

You can still buy a 2-liter bottle of soda at a bodega.

You're harshing Bloomberg's buzz!!!

194 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:34:34am

re: #191 Sheila Brovlofski

You can still buy a 2-liter bottle of soda at a bodega.

One step at a time ,, one step at a time!!!

195 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:35:02am

re: #191 Sheila Brovlofski

You can still buy a 2-liter bottle of soda at a bodega.

I assume you will have to drink it out of a brown paper bag in public...

196 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:35:39am

re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar

A job on Craig's Lst. Listing: New Adult Talent. Here is an excerpt.
I am currently trying to set up meetings with potential stars for a new adult project. It is reality themed, as this genre has recently seen a surge in popularity. All participants will be consenting adults. I am only looking for ladies at this point as I have had an overwhelming response from the male actors

Once again, from the "No Shit" file.

he rejected your resume, huh?

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:36:50am

re: #196 sattv4u2

he rejected your resume, huh?

I was offered a "fluffer" job but I told him I don't like bunnies. Wait, what?

198 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:40:03am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was offered a "fluffer" job but I told him I don't like bunnies. Wait, what?

you fetch fluffy slippers to keep their feet warm?

199 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:44:09am

re: #198 Expand Your Ground

you fetch fluffy slippers to keep their feet warm?

Most popular guy in the room can carry 8 doughnuts and 2 cups of coffee.

200 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:45:30am

giggiddy

201 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:48:58am

re: #200 Tommy's cone of shame

giggiddy

Had more than a 16 ounce soda already, didjya?

202 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:50:53am

Texas woman approved for double arm transplant
[Link: www.boston.com...]

203 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:50:54am

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

two words

Electric
Fence

204 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:51:29am

re: #133 sattv4u2

I always though that the Alouettes are the gay-est sounding name for a team evah!!

NTTAWWT!!!

Coaches fire-up speech

((what the song is about))

I named myself after that team. I blame Canada.

205 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:52:14am

re: #202 Cannadian Club Akbar

Texas woman approved for double arm transplant
[Link: www.boston.com...]

This amazing young lady lives in the subdivision across the road from mine

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

206 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:53:17am

re: #205 sattv4u2

This amazing young lady lives in the subdivision across the road from mine

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I remember that story.

207 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:53:29am

re: #204 Sheila Brovlofski

I named myself after that team. I blame Canada.

It's why I failed French

Mom asked me how I could get an "F" in that class

I told her that the teacher isn't allowed to give "G"s !!

208 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 4:57:09am

re: #206 Cannadian Club Akbar

I remember that story.

Yeah. Sometimes I walk our dogs through that subdivision (it's a lot larger than ours, and at the end of ours a guy has several large dogs that are sometimes loose)

So anyway, one day I'm walking our dogs there and I notice a HUGE construction project going on at one of the houses. I stopped and talked to a foreman there and he told me that they were doing a $200,000 addition/ renovation to the house for when she came home from the hospital

ALL donated,,, labor, materials, EVERYTHING

209 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:07:24am

Paul Ryan has great faith in Romney--but he's keeping his parachute packed.

[Link: gawker.com...]

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:08:55am

China construction elevator falls; 19 workers die
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Work safety is a big problem in China, where regulations are routinely ignored. Although the government says it is taking measures to reduce fatalities, more than 75,500 people died in work-related accidents last year, according to the State Administration of Work Safety.

Did expect that!!
/

211 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:10:30am

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar

China construction elevator falls; 19 workers die
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Work safety is a big problem in China, where regulations are routinely ignored. Although the government says it is taking measures to reduce fatalities, more than 75,500 people died in work-related accidents last year, according to the State Administration of Work Safety.

Did expect that!!
/

NOTE TO SELF

When in China,, take the stairs!!

/

212 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:11:17am

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar

I basically have no problem with letting other nations compete based on wages: it should serve as our incentive to remain more productive.

But when we let other countries undercut us based on lax safety or environmental standards, we are not only shooting ourselves in the foot, we are doing these people no favor, either.

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:13:46am

re: #212 Expand Your Ground

Like China gives a rat's ass what others think of them.

214 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:15:39am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

Paul Ryan has great faith in Romney--but he's keeping his parachute packed.

[Link: gawker.com...]

Can't recall the last pol running for Prez or VP that gave up his seat in either house. I know there was one in the last 20 (or so) years but it escapes me right now

I know McCain didn't,,, I know Kerry and Edwards didn't either

For some reason, I'm thinking Dole!?!?

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:16:52am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Can't recall the last pol running for Prez or VP that gave up his seat in either house. I know there was one in the last 20 (or so) years but it escapes me right now

I know McCain didn't,,, I know Kerry and Edwards didn't either

For some reason, I'm thinking Dole!?!?

Kemp?

216 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:18:24am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Can't recall the last pol running for Prez or VP that gave up his seat in either house. I know there was one in the last 20 (or so) years but it escapes me right now

I know McCain didn't,,, I know Kerry and Edwards didn't either

For some reason, I'm thinking Dole!?!?

Not as obvious for senators--2/3 of them are likely not up for election in the year they run for 'promotion'.

217 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:20:06am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like China gives a rat's ass what others think of them.

as long as they can make money from us, they will not care how

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:20:21am

Leiberman. Biden. Gore?

219 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:22:06am

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

Leiberman. Biden. Gore?

no, no AND no

Again, I think it was Dole

220 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:24:08am

re: #219 sattv4u2

no, no AND no

Again, I think it was Dole

I got it ass backwards. D'oh!!

221 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:25:37am

Good Morning all....

222 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:25:46am

re: #220 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got it ass backwards. D'oh!!

You should have put that on your resume for that adult talent job!!!

223 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:26:08am

re: #221 PT Barnum

Good Morning all....

all what?

224 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:27:08am

re: #223 sattv4u2

all what?

All the Young Dudes

225 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:30:24am

re: #224 PT Barnum

All the Young Dudes

:(

leaves me out!

226 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:31:10am

This is why you can't take a politician's words and apply them to a business.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

227 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:31:56am

re: #225 sattv4u2

:(

leaves me out!

Me too.

I'm beginning to hit that age where my age is going to be an impediment to being employed.

228 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:41:32am

re: #227 PT Barnum

Me too.

I'm beginning to hit that age where my age is going to be an impediment to being employed.

I applied for a job in a certain town at a certain location. Dude calls me yesterday asking me to meet him at 2:30 for an interview. I went there at 2:30 and asked for him. Staff said, "He doesn't work at this store, he works at the (20 miles away) store". Idjit.

229 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:41:55am

re: #226 Cannadian Club Akbar

This is why you can't take a politician's words and apply them to a business.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Will they have to take Bloody Marys off the menu too as insulting to Scottish Catholics?

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:42:33am

re: #229 Expand Your Ground

Will they have to take Bloody Marys off the menu too as insulting to Scottish Catholics?

And the Irish Car Bombs.

231 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:43:54am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

And the Irish Car Bombs.

Would "Rum Runner" be an insult to the Kennedy's?:)

232 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:51:45am

I always feel a twinge ordering a "Black and Tan" in a good Irish pub.

233 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 5:55:34am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

I always feel a twinge ordering a "Black and Tan" in a good Irish pub.

And feel the waitress after the third one?
/

234 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:03:14am

HA HA HA

235 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:12:01am

re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar

And feel the waitress after the third one?
/

Always bring my Designated Wife along. That's how much I hate DWI.

236 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:17:11am

re: #178 Aye Pod

Need to get tickets to see this guy soon:

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Why do I think "Tron" when I watch that?

237 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:18:48am

re: #214 sattv4u2

Can't recall the last pol running for Prez or VP that gave up his seat in either house. I know there was one in the last 20 (or so) years but it escapes me right now

I know McCain didn't,,, I know Kerry and Edwards didn't either

For some reason, I'm thinking Dole!?!?

Yes, it was Dole. He resigned his Senate seat to run for President. None of the three senators who have run for president since him has done so.

238 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:20:24am

re: #236 BongCrodny

Why do I think "Tron" when I watch that?

Some of the computer animation looks similar.

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:22:57am

re: #232 Decatur Deb

I always feel a twinge ordering a "Black and Tan" in a good Irish pub.

240 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:23:23am

re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar

A job on Craig's List. Listing: New Adult Talent. Here is an excerpt.
I am currently trying to set up meetings with potential stars for a new adult project. It is reality themed, as this genre has recently seen a surge in popularity. All participants will be consenting adults. I am only looking for ladies at this point as I have had an overwhelming response from the male actors

Translation: I'm trying to get laid, but all these fucking guys keep getting in my way.

241 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:26:43am

Crazy fascist says what?

242 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:27:20am

re: #241 Lidane

Crazy fascist says what?

[Embedded content]

I'm sure Bryan was fantasizing about that over and over.

243 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:30:58am
244 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:32:39am
245 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:34:47am
246 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:36:17am

Some questions that still haven't been answered:

How did that sucky "movie trailer" go viral?

247 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:36:29am

re: #241 Lidane

Crazy fascist says what?

248 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:41:15am

re: #244 Lidane

The analyst would be Ralph Peters. I saw that being promoted by some right wingers this AM.

My first question to them is who exactly is to be killed. No one has identified the groups yet. It might be an AQ affiliated group, a bunch of Khadafi dead-enders, or some heretofore unknown group. To go in guns a blazing without knowing who/what we're up against? That's just folly.

Obama has sent a FAST team, two warships (one of which is already on station), and a drone unit. That kind of response is sufficient to gather intel, guard the US diplomatic mission/personnel, and conduct operations against those responsible.

If they have sufficient intel, I would expect that in coming days and weeks we'll learn that those involved have been killed by UAV strikes, captured by the FAST team, or hunted down and captured by the Libyan government, which has pledged to assist the US efforts.

Obama's shown repeatedly the willingness to use force to go after those who have carried out attacks against the US and its interests around the world. Why would anyone on the right think he wouldn't do so in this case - when he even sent in our elite forces to go and kill/capture OBL in Pakistan. Oh wait, I can answer that question too - because it's all part of an ongoing narrative that the President somehow hates America, apologizes (when none was actually made) and that he wouldn't protect the nation.

His actions have spoken louder than words. Which is more than one can say about the current state of affairs for the GOP and the Mitt apologists/excusers.

249 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:41:35am

re: #244 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Fox analyst on the Libya attack: "They kill four of ours, you kill 400 of theirs" bit.ly/PvF2oM

Someone at Fox has been reading Gestapo porn again.

Godwin it all you want.

250 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:42:43am

re: #244 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Fox analyst on the Libya attack: "They kill four of ours, you kill 400 of theirs"

Not certain that Bloods v. Crips diplomacy is good long-term strategy, but that's just me.

251 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:46:24am

re: #246 Sheila Brovlofski

Million dollar question - particularly since it appears to have been uploaded in July, saw less than a few thousand hits since, and then exploded into the nexus of an international conflagration in concert with 9/11.

I don't believe in coincidences. Nor do I believe what anyone involved the movie has had to say thus far - because much of what they've said can't be confirmed by anyone. Sam Bacile doesn't appear to have existed except as a pseudonym/agent provocateur. Morris Sedak is an agitator. Steve Klein has ties to extremist groups. The references to Jewish donors/backers/Israel is a misdirection play to try and bring the usual assortment of anti Jewish and anti-Israel sentiment to a head and to inflame passions even further.

Is it possible that AQ or another terror group took advantage of the protests in Egypt to use similar protests in Libya to carry out the deadly attacks there? Possibly, and the US government is looking at that possibility quite seriously.

The situation in Egypt also appears to have taken on a life of its own, and there are reports of protests elsewhere, including Yemen. This isn't necessarily by coincidence either.

252 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:47:04am

re: #250 BongCrodny

Not certain that Bloods v. Crips diplomacy is good long-term strategy, but that's just me.

It's all these crazy people know. They cannot seem to process the fact that the Marines going in and indiscriminately slaughtering people is a bad idea for a whole host of reasons.

253 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:47:44am

re: #250 BongCrodny

It's the Chicago way.

If one of theirs pulls a knife. You pull a gun.
If one of theirs sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue.

That's the Chicago way. /in best Sean Connery brogue.

254 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:48:38am

re: #244 Lidane

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What are we, the fucking mob now?

255 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:49:10am

re: #253 lawhawk

It's the Chicago way.

If one of theirs pulls a knife. You pull a gun.
If one of theirs sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of theirs to the morgue.

That's the Chicago way. /in best Sean Connery brogue.

One of my favorite movies...

256 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:49:10am

re: #251 lawhawk

Million dollar question - particularly since it appears to have been uploaded in July, saw less than a few thousand hits since, and then exploded into the nexus of an international conflagration in concert with 9/11.

I don't believe in coincidences. Nor do I believe what anyone involved the movie has had to say thus far - because much of what they've said can't be confirmed by anyone. Sam Bacile doesn't appear to have existed except as a pseudonym/agent provocateur. Morris Sedak is an agitator. Steve Klein has ties to extremist groups. The references to Jewish donors/backers/Israel is a misdirection play to try and bring the usual assortment of anti Jewish and anti-Israel sentiment to a head and to inflame passions even further.

Is it possible that AQ or another terror group took advantage of the protests in Egypt to use similar protests in Libya to carry out the deadly attacks there? Possibly, and the US government is looking at that possibility quite seriously.

The situation in Egypt also appears to have taken on a life of its own, and there are reports of protests elsewhere, including Yemen. This isn't necessarily by coincidence either.

I watched 5 minutes of the sucky "movie clip" and it is obvious that all references to Mohammed and Islam were overdubbed--badly. Some of the actors have come forward and said that the scenes they appeared in had nothing to do with Muslims or Mohammed, that they thought it was a generic ancient Middle-East "Life of Brian" kind of thing.

257 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:49:59am

re: #246 Sheila Brovlofski

Some questions that still haven't been answered:

How did that sucky "movie trailer" go viral?

Had anyone not directly involved in its production even heard about the existence of it before a couple of days ago?

258 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:51:18am

Good morning lizards!

259 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:51:36am
260 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:56:43am

I saw the protests in Yemen this morning. That is scary shit.

261 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:57:09am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like China gives a rat's ass what others think of them.

Romney is jealous that we don't have that attitude as well.

262 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 6:57:48am

Not sure I'm down with this whole diplomacy via Twitter thing...

263 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:01:27am

Libya makes 'arrests' in deadly US consulate attack

BENGHAZI, Libya (AFP) - Libya has made several arrests over an attack on the US consulate in Benghazi that killed the ambassador and three other United States (US) nationals, the deputy interior minister told AFP on Thursday.

"The interior and justice ministries have begun their investigations and evidence gathering and some people have been arrested," Wanis al-Sharif said.

He declined to give any details of the number of people in custody or their backgrounds "so as not to hamper the smooth running of the investigation."

264 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:04:15am

Might just be the collection of "the usual suspects".

Though given the importance of this they probably brought in twice as many as they usually do.

265 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:05:46am
266 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:07:44am

re: #254 Mocking Jay

What are we, the fucking mob now?

In that movie, Connery is playing a police officer. The tactic has some merit in this case. Granted, we don't know who exactly did this. But we can likely locate one of the groups of violent Islamists. One such located group should be subjected to a drone strike, posthaste. We don't go killing innocents that way, but by killing some bad guys right away you let the rest of the scum know you mean business.

267 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:08:25am

re: #264 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Might just be the collection of "the usual suspects".

Though given the importance of this they probably brought in twice as many as they usually do.

Your winnings, Captain.

268 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:17:24am

Because making a factually wrong argument is something to be proud of:

269 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:21:14am

re: #262 Mocking Jay

Not sure I'm down with this whole diplomacy via Twitter thing...

[Embedded content]

Maybe I need a couple of hours but I'm not seeing a smackdown there.

270 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:21:35am
271 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:23:21am

Professional Islam Hater Robert Spencer has a screed out today that blames Ambassador Christopher Stevens for his own murder. Whatever else he said, Mitt Romney at least had the sense to speak appropriately about the ambassador and to give proper condolences. Robert Spencer, however, just goes in hating:

Christopher Stevens: Devoured by a Monster He Helped Create

When the Libyan uprising against Muammar Gaddafi began to gather steam in April 2011, American diplomat Christopher Stevens was determined to get there, but it wasn’t easy. “We arrived April 5th,” he later explained. “It was difficult to get there at the time. There weren’t any flights. So we came in by a Greek cargo ship and unloaded our gear and our cars and set up our office there” – in Benghazi, that is, the center of the uprising.

There were already numerous indications that the Libyan rebels were not the democratically-minded, America-loving pluralists of media myth. Rolling Stone magazine, of all publications, had warned in their March 21 issue that “America is now at war to protect a Libyan province that’s been an epicenter of anti-American jihad.”

That province was Cyrenaica, with its capital Benghazi. Rolling Stone noted that in 2008, “a West Point analysis of a cache of al Qaeda records discovered that nearly 20 percent of foreign fighters in Iraq were Libyans, and that on a per-capita basis Libya nearly doubled Saudi Arabia as the top source of foreign fighters.” The main source of those fighters – who mostly became jihad martyrdom suicide bombers, was Cyrenaica.

Stevens’ experience of Benghazi, however, was different – or at very least, the presence of al-Qaeda operatives among the rebels didn’t trouble him. According to a December 2011 piece in the State Department’s magazine State, “Stevens said the Libyans were genuinely grateful to the United States for supporting their aspirations for freedom, as demonstrated by the greeting the team received. The Libyans had hoisted British, French, Qatari and American flags at Freedom Square, the vast open area in front of the Benghazi courthouse.”

There is no way to tell whether any of the Libyans expressing their gratitude to Stevens in April 2011 were among those who brutally tortured and murdered him on September 11, 2012, but it’s entirely within the realm of possibility. Whatever the case, Christopher Stevens has now become the quintessential symbol of what U.S. foreign policy is doing vis-a-vis the global jihad, and of what ultimately will be the outcome for the U.S. if this continues. His story also demonstrates yet again how the establishment Left creates monsters that then devour their creators – as well as numerous bystanders.

Perhaps the most notorious example of relatively recent times is Jimmy Carter’s betrayal and abandonment of the Shah of Iran in 1979, in favor of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Khomeini and his fellow mullahs showed their gratitude to Carter by storming the U.S. embassy and taking hostages that they kept until Ronald Reagan’s first Inauguration Day. Carter had no one but himself to blame for his crushing defeat the previous November, for there would have been no hostages, and Khomeini would not have been in Tehran, had it not been for his efforts.

I'd prefer not to link to this piece of filth, if that's OK with everyone.

272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:23:42am

re: #269 Gus

Maybe I need a couple of hours but I'm not seeing a smackdown there.

"By the way, we know you're lying to us because we know what you're saying in your Arabic-language feeds. Did you think we wouldn't?"

273 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:25:00am

re: #272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

"By the way, we know you're lying to us because we know what you're saying in your Arabic-language feeds. Did you think we wouldn't?"

Ooooh.

[Edith Bunker voice.]

274 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:25:30am

Warning. Links to Breitbart.

275 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:26:21am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Professional Islam Hater Robert Spencer has a screed out today that blames Ambassador Christopher Stevens for his own murder. Whatever else he said, Mitt Romney at least had the sense to speak appropriately about the ambassador and to give proper condolences. Robert Spencer, however, just goes in hating:

I'd prefer not to link to this piece of filth, if that's OK with everyone.

You are setting the bar awfully low here. Yes, Mitt did better than ROBERT SPENCER.

276 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:27:25am

re: #272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

"By the way, we know you're lying to us because we know what you're saying in your Arabic-language feeds. Did you think we wouldn't?"

It was lovely in its elegant mockery of the the two-faced policies of the MB.

277 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:28:29am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Professional Islam Hater Robert Spencer has a screed out today that blames Ambassador Christopher Stevens for his own murder. Whatever else he said, Mitt Romney at least had the sense to speak appropriately about the ambassador and to give proper condolences. Robert Spencer, however, just goes in hating:

Christopher Stevens: Devoured by a Monster He Helped Create

I seem to recall a huge thread here yesterday in which somebody here said virtually the same thing and then complained about all the downdings he was getting (while loving all the attention)

278 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:29:59am

re: #275 bratwurst

You are setting the bar awfully low here. Yes, Mitt did better than ROBERT SPENCER.

I'm not trying to set the bar for Romney. I was trying to preempt any comparison between what Romney said and what Spencer wrote. Spencer was considerably worse and I didn't want Mitt tarred by sentiments he clearly did not express.

It is, however, a Hell of a note when you have to shield your candidate from those who say they are on your side.

279 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:31:31am

Craziness is out already of course. Here's one.

US Ambassador To Libya Killing: False Flag To Revive Economy?

Disclaimer: I'm merely positing a question.
Web conspiracy theorists have been clacking away at their keyboards since the recent assassination of US Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens. Their common "false flag" theory is that the killing was conducted by Mossad at the behest of warhawk Israelis who want to stir up anti-American sentiment in the Middle East in order to convince us to join them in invading Iran. Admittedly, it is coincidental that the US and Israel are in an open feud over Iran, the White House declined Netanyahu's request to meet with Obama just days before the Ambassador's assassination, and the Libya killing has indeed resulted in a firestorm of anti-American sentiment throughout the Middle East. It's also coincidental that the killing took place just days before tomorrow's Federal Open Market Committee Meeting, where Bernanke is expected to announce QE3, which will expand the money supply and allow the federal government to increase borrowing. (For a war?)

Many people theorize that one reason the Federal Reserve was created was to fund WWI, which the US coincidentally entered immediately after the Fed was founded. After all, money printing is good for wartime spending, which can provide an ailing economy a quick, temporary fix. (The country was mired in recession when the Federal Reserve Act was passed.) Something to think about: History has repeated itself, and, like the Great Depression, Washington and the Fed have prolonged this economic depression with their liquidity pumping and profligate spending, which has pushed us over the critical 90% debt to GDP ratio, the point at which debt has a negative impact on GDP. Liquidity pumping and the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression, but America's entry into WWII (Washington's last hope of reviving the economy?) did a good job of pulling us out of the economic malaise of the late 1930's (until the post-war recession of 1946 crashed the economy again). Could the central planners be planning to throw the Hail Mary and attempt to pull us out of this economic depression with another world war, this one centered around the Middle East? I'm not convinced, but it's something to think about.

Riiiiight. He's just asking questions and closing by talking about "central planners."

280 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:32:47am
281 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:32:50am

re: #279 Gus

What's the fount of that bit of wisdom?

282 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:32:53am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Professional Islam Hater Robert Spencer has a screed out today that blames Ambassador Christopher Stevens for his own murder. Whatever else he said, Mitt Romney at least had the sense to speak appropriately about the ambassador and to give proper condolences. Robert Spencer, however, just goes in hating:

I'd prefer not to link to this piece of filth, if that's OK with everyone.

We could use Buzz Aldrin sometimes.

//

283 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:34:28am

re: #281 Decatur Deb

What's the fount of that bit of wisdom?

Ecominoes dot com. "Seth Mason's LIBERTARIAN economics and politics blog."

284 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:35:06am

Vroom vroom.

285 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:35:23am

re: #277 Sheila Brovlofski

I seem to recall a huge thread here yesterday in which somebody here said virtually the same thing and then complained about all the downdings he was getting (while loving all the attention)

That was Destro, and his karma fell more than 250 points on that thread. One of his comments was -12, it was a graphic fantasy of Saddam Hussein conquering Saudi Arabia and having Wahabists "dunked in acid tanks".

Here's the thread.

286 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:37:07am

re: #279 Gus

Craziness is out already of course. Here's one.

Riiiiight. He's just asking questions and closing by talking about "central planners."

Which goofball put that DERP out?

287 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:38:21am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Which goofball put that DERP out?

See 283.

288 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:38:56am

Hahaha. Sounds about right:

289 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:40:34am

What's with the Guy Fawkes masks is Egypt?

290 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:42:07am

re: #256 Sheila Brovlofski

At this point, the motivations of the actors of the film or how it got made are besides the point. Whoever spread the anti Muslim overdubbed versions basically did their own Hitler's bunker-style routine to rant against Islam. We need to know who was behind the overdub, and at the same time, do more to track down who was responsible for the Libya attack and provide increased protection to our other embassies and consulates.

We've got debunk the nonsense online that rabble rousers and militant mullahs are spreading to those who are now protesting/rioting - mostly without even seeing the film clips at issue or knowing. It's not easy since the mindset of those who would protest and engage in violence are primed to act, and it confirms the biases of both those militant Islamists and socons who think Islam is an enemy of civilization.

291 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:42:08am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

What's with the Guy Fawkes masks is Egypt?

It's the international symbol for "I'm a douchebag"

292 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:42:52am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

What's with the Guy Fawkes masks is Egypt?

That's just Barrett Brown visiting the Sphinx.

293 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:45:03am

Video from Yemen looks more serious than the article I read earlier


Protesters brought some pretty heavy artillery and seemed to be having quite a party inside the compound.
294 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:46:16am

Derp.

295 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:46:21am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

What's with the Guy Fawkes masks is Egypt?

Idiots who don't know the history behind it. The author of "V for Vendetta" who not have approved.

I don't think Guy Fawkes himself would have either, though he likely would have supported having those who publicly blasphemed handed over to the Inquisition.

296 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:47:52am

re: #294 Gus

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Derp.

It's a stupid idea, that would only make Bacile into a "martyr".

297 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:48:01am

re: #294 Gus

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Derp.

Would never want him jailed on a speech issue, but if he turns out to be a resident alien, I have no trouble with making him persona non grata.

298 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:48:23am

re: #294 Gus

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Derp.

You know, I think we've all at one time entertained the idea of puttng dipshits like the ones responsible for this film behind bars. One could even argue that what they are doing is putting our national security at risk with their stone-age antics. But that is not how we do things here in the US, nor should it ever be.

299 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:49:33am

re: #290 lawhawk

At this point, the motivations of the actors of the film or how it got made are besides the point. Whoever spread the anti Muslim overdubbed versions basically did their own Hitler's bunker-style routine to rant against Islam. We need to know who was behind the overdub, and at the same time, do more to track down who was responsible for the Libya attack and provide increased protection to our other embassies and consulates.

We've got debunk the nonsense online that rabble rousers and militant mullahs are spreading to those who are now protesting/rioting - mostly without even seeing the film clips at issue or knowing. It's not easy since the mindset of those who would protest and engage in violence are primed to act, and it confirms the biases of both those militant Islamists and socons who think Islam is an enemy of civilization.

My original question still stands, though. This "movie clip" sat there for 6 weeks and nobody paid any attention to it, then suddenly BLAMMO!

Was the video altered or overwritten in any way from the time it was first uploaded? Was there an earlier version that did not contain the inflammatory overdubs?

300 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:50:00am

re: #298 Targetpractice

You know, I think we've all at one time entertained the idea of puttng dipshits like the ones responsible for this film behind bars. One could even argue that what they are doing is putting our national security at risk with their stone-age antics. But that is not how we do things here in the US, nor should it ever be.

Agree, but he is shouting "Fire" in a crowded world.

301 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:50:13am

It doesn't end there.

Houston. We've got a problem if we're going to be held hostage like this.

302 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:50:59am

re: #299 Sheila Brovlofski

the video sat there until some head of some coptic group posted it to a bunch of Islamic blogs and sites. I am betting they did so as incitement.

303 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:51:27am

re: #301 Gus

It doesn't end there.

Houston. We've got a problem if we're going to be held hostage like this.

Dang it. They deleted the Tweet. Here it is again.

304 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:51:38am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Agree, but he is shouting "Fire" in a crowded world.

No. Please don't go there. I do not want the violent masses to be able to determine what's permissible speech for an American citizen.

305 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:51:38am

re: #299 Sheila Brovlofski

From what I've read, it appears that the film was first uploaded in July, and then overdubbed with the incendiary language only eight days ago. Who was behind the overdub, and what were their goals/purposes. That's the question.

Was it "Sam Bacile", Morris Sedak? Others not yet named? I don't know - and neither does anyone else at the moment.

306 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:52:43am

re: #304 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

No. Please don't go there. I do not want the violent masses to be able to determine what's permissible speech for an American citizen.

Not talking citizen, supporting my persona non grata status for a resident alien, which he might be.

307 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:53:35am

Gotta bail on, this. Alabama wants me to renew my lapsed driver's license now. BBL

308 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:54:12am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Agree, but he is shouting "Fire" in a crowded world.

Yes, but its a problem we're stuck with. His actions are not incitement, and the 1st Amendment does not permit action to be taken based on what people in other countries might do. The so-called "fighting words" exception (sometimes invoked in cases of inflammatory words leading to violence) cannot be stretched that far.

309 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:54:39am

re: #306 Decatur Deb

Not talking citizen, supporting my persona non grata status for a resident alien, which he might be.

Fine, but your "shouting fire in a crowed world" reference points to a Supreme Court case concerning the First Amendment rights of U.S. citizens.

310 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:55:15am

re: #300 Decatur Deb

Agree, but he is shouting "Fire" in a crowded world.

IOW, it's OK to make fun out of any religion except Islam. That's a problem. This case would fail all the way to the supreme court.

311 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:56:29am

re: #305 lawhawk

From what I've read, it appears that the film was first uploaded in July, and then overdubbed with the incendiary language only eight days ago. Who was behind the overdub, and what were their goals/purposes. That's the question.

Was it "Sam Bacile", Morris Sedak? Others not yet named? I don't know - and neither does anyone else at the moment.

So the movie was not originally offensive, just plain sucky.

312 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:56:37am
313 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:58:26am

re: #312 Gus

Uh oh. Expect more weirdness from the ME today.

Maybe. That was 30 years ago. Al Jazeera doesn't seen to be inciting anything here. They're just doing a historical retrospective, which is a normal thing for a news agency.

314 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:58:27am

Someone clearly never told Romney HQ the first rule of holes.

315 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:58:49am

SICK FASCIST FANTASIZING AGAIN

Dumbass, SCOTUS will declare a winner like they did in 2000.

316 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:58:51am

Hold the line. Increase security at the consulates and embassies. We will not change American society to please cavemen.

317 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:00:21am

re: #314 Lidane

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Someone clearly never told Romney HQ the first rule of holes.

I think the shock value of Romney's bullshit has run its course. Now folks are just rolling their eyes and going "Here we go again..."

318 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:00:50am

re: #315 Sheila Brovlofski

Why does that man have any influence? WTF.

319 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:01:53am

T-shirt seen in Tulsa
"I went to the GOP convention and all I got was this stupid candidate"

320 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:02:02am
321 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:03:38am

re: #319 PT Barnum

T-shirt seen in Tulsa
"I went to the GOP convention and all I got was this stupid candidate"

awesome.

322 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:03:48am

re: #315 Sheila Brovlofski

SICK FASCIST FANTASIZING AGAIN

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Dumbass, SCOTUS will declare a winner like they did in 2000.

If the electoral college ended in a tie, then the House would indeed choose the president, and the Senate would choose the veep. So Fischer is correct in what would happen in that scenario, but it is a very unlikely scenario.

That said, if it happened the voting in the House is by state. So Illinois with 19 congresspeople has as much say as Montana has with 1. Most likely outcome would be Mitt Romney as President.

323 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:04:37am

re: #321 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

awesome.

I made that up, I wonder how long it will take me to get a couple hundred made and put them on Ebay?

324 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:05:15am

re: #323 PT Barnum

Cafepress.com

325 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:06:17am

Well....
Haven't been here in a while!
With all that's going on in the world I've decided to not read or watch the news till Nov 7th!If it's not DVR'd or Netflix I'm not looking!
Nope!
I just hope that when the SHIT hits the fan we're on the upwind side!
But...it's not looking good!
Hope all is well with y'all!

326 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:07:24am

NY Times tries to track the origin of the mysterious film clip:

As the movie, “Innocence of Muslims,” drew attention across the globe, it was unclear whether a full version exists. Executives at Hollywood agencies said they had never heard of it. Hollywood unions said they had no involvement. Casting directors said they did not recognize the actors in the 14-minute YouTube clip that purports to be a trailer for a longer film. Production offices had no records for a movie of that name. There was a 2009 casting call in BackStage, however, for a film called “Desert Warrior” whose producer is listed as Sam Bassiel.

327 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:07:37am

re: #314 Lidane

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Someone clearly never told Romney HQ the first rule of holes.

That is simply mind-boggling. The fact that sane people on both sides were hammering them for getting it wrong yesterday seems to mean nothing to them any more.

Gotta conclude that they've given up on swaying sane people. Idiots.

328 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:07:50am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

So what you're saying is that at this point Mitt Romney's best hope is an electoral tie?

329 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:10:54am

So, good morning. I assume the whirlwind of hateful-derp-from-those-who-should-know-better only intensified as I was getting my beauty sleep.

330 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:12:23am

re: #325 reloadingisnotahobby

Well....
Haven't been here in a while!
With all that's going on in the world I've decided to not read or watch the news till Nov 7th!If it's not DVR'd or Netflix I'm not looking!
Nope!
I just hope that when the SHIT hits the fan we're on the upwind side!
But...it's not looking good!
Hope all is well with y'all!

Dude, you're using up our supply of exclamation points.

/

331 The Left  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:12:24am

Just catching up on the old threads...what a weird couple of days.

332 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:12:29am

Your liberal media at work....

I’m not sure what’s up with this. But earlier this evening the Times ran a story entitled “Behind Romney’s Decision to Attack Obama on Libya.” The byline was David Sanger and Ashley Parker. The big news out of the story was that Romney himself had been the driver of last night’s decision making. That and a lot of other color and interesting news. As I write, it’s still that piece and lede that’s on the front page. But now it’s been replaced (same url) by an almost unrecognizable piece entitled “A Challenger’s Criticism Is Furiously Returned”, bylined by Peter Baker and Ashley Parker.

I first saw the story through a blast email. Then I saw it on the Times website. Then it was gone.

The thrust of the piece is dramatically different and, unless I’m missing something, leaves out this critical quote from a Romney senior advisor explaining their rationale. “We’ve had this consistent critique and narrative on Obama’s foreign policy, and we felt this was a situation that met our critique, that Obama really has been pretty weak in a number of ways on foreign policy, especially if you look at his dealings with the Arab Spring and its aftermath.”

So basically, we saw this thing happen. It fit with our campaign narrative. So we pounced.

The Times has some explaining to do.

333 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:12:54am

Andres Serrano

[Cough.]

334 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:13:20am

re: #331 The Left

Just catching up on the old threads...what a weird couple of days.

You learn something new everyday.

335 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:14:55am
336 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:15:32am

re: #322 Dark_Falcon

How are you doing today? Yesterday must have been tough on you with your candidate going full-Palin and accusing the President of sedition in order to score a couple of cheap political points on the blood of American diplomats. I tell you, if my candidate did that, I'd be a fuckin' mess.

337 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:15:47am

re: #328 Lidane

So what you're saying is that at this point Mitt Romney's best hope is an electoral tie?

No, I was saying what would likely happen in the highly unlikely scenario Bryan Fischer outlined.

338 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:15:56am

re: #316 Gus

Hold the line. Increase security at the consulates and embassies. We will not change American society to please cavemen.

I get your sentiment here Gus. But look at WWII..."loose lips sink ships"
What these people like Terry Jones are doing are putting our troops and our diplomats in danger, and they are doing it deliberately without regard for the lives of others.
They bear some responsibility for inciting these riots.
I dont know what the answer is, but it is not as simple as black and white.

339 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:16:50am

Josh Marshall is going to post the original Times story, in full, shortly.

I'd like to know why NYT pulled its punches on this, and whether the original story is in the print edition.

340 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:17:11am

Al Qaeda leader urges support for ousting Syria's Assad

(Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri has called on all Muslims to back the rebels in Syria, saying the overthrow of President Bashar al-Assad would bring them closer to the ultimate goal of defeating Israel, according to an audio recording posted on the Internet on Thursday.

What a mess. The choices are a genocidal leader who is killing thousands of his own people or a resistance who is fighting along side a terrorist group who's ultimate plan is to destroy Israel.

341 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:17:40am

re: #328 Lidane

So what you're saying is that at this point Mitt Romney's best hope is an electoral tie?

I think if someone offered Romney an electoral tie right now, he'd find a way to hang himself with it.

342 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:17:42am

re: #336 darthstar

I was in transit and out of the loop on news most of the day. When I finally got home after dinner I was having a serious narcoleptic episode and went straight to bed.

343 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:18:04am

re: #338 blueraven

I get your sentiment here Gus. But look at WWII..."loose lips sink ships"
What these people like Terry Jones are doing are putting our troops and our diplomats in danger, and they are doing it deliberately without regard for the lives of others.
They bear some responsibility for inciting these riots.
I dont know what the answer is, but it is not as simple as black and white.

We are not going to trample on the 1st Amendment for the sentiment of foreigners. If it's a question of safety then you increase the amount of forces in these backwards and volatile areas. Otherwise, we can simply close those facilities.

344 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:18:09am

Wired is covering the embassy attack as well as any of the big boys-CNN, CBS etc.

A still-unknown number of American security personnel, dodging small arms fire and flame, attempted unsuccessfully to regain control of the main building 45 minutes after the attack began, retreating to an adjacent building annex. By 5:20 p.m. Washington time, Libyan security forces, assisted by what was described as a sympathetic local militia, regained control of the main building, and assisted an evacuation of the staff of approximately 25 to 30 to the annex. But by 6 p.m., the assailants began to attack the annex with small arms fire. It was there that two other, as-yet-unidentified U.S. nationals died.

It was not until 8:30 p.m. D.C. time that the attack was suppressed. But the security forces had lost track of Stevens.

345 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:18:21am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

I was in transit and out of the loop on news most of the day. When I finally got home after dinner I was having a serious narcoleptic episode and went straight to bed.

Well, great! I guess you have a moment to explain why your candidate isn't an embarrassment to his attempted office, then.

346 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:18:39am

re: #335 Mocking Jay

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Bad nanny-state idea.

347 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:20:13am

re: #343 Gus

We are not going to trample on the 1st Amendment for the sentiment of foreigners. If it's a question of safety then you increase the amount of forces in these backwards and volatile areas. Otherwise, we can simply close those facilities.

But isn't there some civic duty to not endanger the lives of our soldiers and diplomats overseas?

348 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:21:08am

re: #343 Gus

We are not going to trample on the 1st Amendment for the sentiment of foreigners. If it's a question of safety then you increase the amount of forces in these backwards and volatile areas. Otherwise, we can simply close those facilities.

However, I would emphatically support Youtube's heavy-handed suppression of hate speech of this sort. Assholes have no constitutional right to a third-party international soapbox.

Let them go back to wearing pants on their head and banging on old buckets on the street corner. That is a 1st-Amendment-relevant situation.

349 Gus  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:22:03am

Bye.

350 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:22:22am

re: #347 blueraven

But isn't there some civic duty to not endanger the lives of our soldiers and diplomats overseas?

I wonder if the fuckers who oberdubbed the film clip and then released it to incite the Islamist mob were hoping the Jews would be attacked, not the U.S.

351 The Left  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:22:30am

re: #349 Gus

Bye.

hey, where are you going? I just got here. :(

352 gwangung  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:23:44am

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

Al Qaeda leader urges support for ousting Syria's Assad

What a mess. The choices are a genocidal leader who is killing thousands of his own people or a resistance who is fighting along side a terrorist group who's ultimate plan is to destroy Israel.

Yeah, no kidding.

I wish more people would realize that our foreign policy often is a choice between bad and worse.

353 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:23:56am

re: #342 Dark_Falcon

I was in transit and out of the loop on news most of the day. When I finally got home after dinner I was having a serious narcoleptic episode and went straight to bed.

You didn't miss anything of importance. Mitt's doing great right now! Full steam ahead!

354 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:24:29am

re: #350 Sheila Brovlofski

I wonder if the fuckers who oberdubbed the film clip and then released it to incite the Islamist mob intended for the Jews to be attacked, not the U.S.

That is very possible. I suspect they want to create turmoil in the ME and force all out war, whatever that entails.

355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:25:03am

re: #332 makeitstop

Your liberal media at work....

The Times has some explaining to do.

The US media, political campaigns, and pundits seem to act like the rest of the world is static, unchanging, and simply exists to react to our pronouncements. Thus you get to see these articles and statements "blaming" this or that administration for events like they are puppet masters able to make thousands of foreign nationals act via a single tweet or email.

This is the same sort of blindness and ignorance that leads to rose-tinted glasses views of what happens when you invade a foreign country to "liberate" it. Not to mention the "short victorious war" syndrome as well where foreign policy and war becomes an oversimplified extension of internal politics.

356 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:29:42am

You know, it's funny, but for all those declarations that they'd rather have four more years of Obama than spend four years defending Romney, the wingnuts are quick to entrench themselves around him and fight to the death.

357 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:29:48am

re: #355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The US media, political campaigns, and pundits seem to act like the rest of the world is static, unchanging, and simply exists to react to our pronouncements.

Well duh. America is Exceptional, after all. We say jump, they ask how high.

Why do you hate America?

///

358 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:31:00am
359 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:31:30am
360 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:33:16am

re: #358 Mocking Jay

@jamisonfoser I’ll give Romney this: He successfully distracted me from his tax returns & Paul Ryan’s dishonest know-nothingism. That ain’t easy.

LOL JK

As part of its vetting, the Romney campaign required at least some of the candidates on the short list—including the eventual winner of the GOP veepstakes, Ryan—to submit fully 10 years of tax returns, according to a knowledgeable source.

The requirement was consistent with the past practices of both Republican and Democratic campaigns. Indeed, in 2008, Mitt Romney turned over 23 years of taxes to John Mccain’s campaign when he was under consideration to be the Arizona senator’s running mate.

...

In response to questions about the 10-year requirement, Romney campaign press secretary Andrea Saul declined comment. “We do not discuss the VP selection process,” she wrote in an email.

361 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:40:11am

Wingnut Fail, Episode 2,945
GOP Rep. on Egypt, Libya Situation: Obama ‘Built That’

(CNSNews.com) – Representative Jeff Landry (R-La.) suggested the Obama administration bears some of the blame for the current crises in Egypt and Libya because it pursued policies that helped both regimes rise to power, adding that President Barack Obama had “built that.”

“In light of the recent developments, if the president were to come back and demand that the amount of money that's in that CR [continuing resolution] for Libya and Egypt be stripped out, that would be tremendous leadership because, remember, the regimes that are in place in those two countries came under his policies – he built that, okay,” Landry said at a press conference on Wednesday.

I didn't know 'the regimes' attacked the embassies. Or that his policies 'built that.' The ignorance is overshadowed only by the crass partisanship.

362 dragonath  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:40:19am

Both Murdoch newspapers are going all in focusing on how it's the media's fault that Romney got flat footed in an easily refuted lie. The Wall Street Journal leads with:

Doesn't he know he's not supposed to debate foreign policy? — Tuesday's assaults on the U.S. Embassies in Benghazi and Cairo have injected foreign policy into the Presidential campaign, but suddenly the parsons of the press corps are offended by the debate.

And the New York Post runs:

Romney: Facing down ridiculous press assault over his reasonable critique of Obama policies in the wake of Tuesday’s attacks.

363 Coracle  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:40:25am

re: #360 erik_t

I was just coming here to post that. Sauce for the goose is apparently for the goose only.

Rules for thee but not for me. This is one of the fundamental subtexts of this election.

364 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:41:15am

re: #355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The US media, political campaigns, and pundits seem to act like the rest of the world is static, unchanging, and simply exists to react to our pronouncements. Thus you get to see these articles and statements "blaming" this or that administration for events like they are puppet masters able to make thousands of foreign nationals act via a single tweet or email.

This is the same sort of blindness and ignorance that leads to rose-tinted glasses views of what happens when you invade a foreign country to "liberate" it. Not to mention the "short victorious war" syndrome as well where foreign policy and war becomes an oversimplified extension of internal politics.

The problem is that politicians have little choice but to promise a "short victorious war". How would people respond if a president said this instead:

This crisis demands we send our armed forces to remove that tyrant and stabilize Country X. But I must tell you not to expect swift progress. This is likely to take years and our forces will face an insurgency from the tyrant's supporters. Defeating that and giving a new government a chance will take time, and that is all we will ultimately be able to do. All armed intervention can ultimately do is by time for the new leaders of Country X to fix the political problems that left them in such a bad place.

A president who said that would likely find Congress cutting off funds for the intervention.

365 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:42:01am

re: #363 Coracle

I was just coming here to post that. Sauce for the goose is apparently for the goose only.

Rules for thee but not for me. This is one of the fundamental subtexts of this any election.

corrected.

366 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:42:16am

re: #356 Targetpractice

You know, it's funny, but for all those declarations that they'd rather have four more years of Obama than spend four years defending Romney, the wingnuts are quick to entrench themselves around him and fight to the death.

A major reason for at least part of that group is because the sheriff is near...

Then you get to add in effects like tribalism (us vs them), ego (we can't be wrong about this after investing so much emotion and effort into it), and simple ignorance (willful or due to laziness) about facts and issues.

367 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:42:18am

Quotes For The Day

"This is the time for us as a nation and a people to stand united,' - Ronald Reagan, Republican candidate, after president Carter's botched mission to save US hostages.

"I unequivocally support the president of the United States -- no ifs, ands or buts -- and it certainly is not a time to try to go one-up politically. He made a difficult, courageous decision," - George H.W. Bush, a candidate at the same time.

And people tell me the GOP hasn't changed.

368 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:42:32am

re: #362 dragonath

Both Murdoch newspapers are going all in focusing on how it's the media's fault that Romney got flat footed in an easily refuted lie. The Wall Strret Journal leads with:
And the New York Post runs:

Good. They can keep throwing good money after bad, and shred whatever remains of their popular credibility.

369 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:43:46am

re: #362 dragonath

The day that Murdoch got his slimy hands on the WSJ was the day it lost all credibility. What a tragic waste of a once good paper.

370 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:43:47am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that politicians have little choice but to promise a "short victorious war". How would people respond if a president said this instead:

A president who said that would likely find Congress cutting off funds for the intervention.

Then maybe we shouldn't be getting into that war in the first place.

371 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:43:55am

re: #339 makeitstop

Josh Marshall is going to post the original Times story, in full, shortly.

I'd like to know why NYT pulled its punches on this, and whether the original story is in the print edition.

The New England print edition has the replacement story. I don't know about the NY edition.

372 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:45:05am

re: #362 dragonath

Romney jumped the gun, it has to be said. he spoke before it was understood that the attack in Libya was a well-planned assault, not just a mob action. But Mitt spoke as if it was a mob action and thus left himself in error.

Given that we're likely looking at a Al Qaeda affiliate here, this attack is more revenge for Abbottabad than revenge for any film.

373 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:45:16am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that politicians have little choice but to promise a "short victorious war". How would people respond if a president said this instead:

A president who said that would likely find Congress cutting off funds for the intervention.

If a politician isn't willing to throw away his political career for a war, he damned well shouldn't be willing to throw away even a few dozen military lives for said war.

But you just keep doin' your party-of-personal-responsibility thing, saying that lying to further your own goals is totally a sensible thing to do.

374 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:45:19am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that politicians have little choice but to promise a "short victorious war". How would people respond if a president said this instead:

A president who said that would likely find Congress cutting off funds for the intervention.

Yep. And if you don't have the political capital and will to do it right maybe you shouldn't do it at all. One reason Cheney poo-pooed the need for a 500,000 man occupation force for Iraq is that he knew it would not fly. So instead we got a half-ass operation, no "post-win" plan worth talking about, non-budgeted costs (covered by spending resolutions as things went along), and essentially built our own quagmire in the desert.

375 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:46:49am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Romney jumped the gun, it has to be said.

That's the best you can do? Really?

376 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:46:55am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Romney jumped the gun, it has to be said..

He didn't just jump the gun. He lied AND he tried to exploit a diplomat's death in order to rile up the base.

377 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:47:29am

re: #370 Mocking Jay

Then maybe we shouldn't be getting into that war in the first place.

The problem is that by that logic all an enemy ever has to do is use asymmetric tactics and we'd be stymied. The American public needs to become more accepting of long wars, if it seeks to have any victorious wars.

378 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:48:31am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that by that logic all an enemy ever has to do is use asymmetric tactics and we'd be stymied. The American public needs to become more accepting of long wars, if it seeks to have any victorious wars.

Oh brother.

379 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:48:50am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that by that logic all an enemy ever has to do is use asymmetric tactics and we'd be stymied. The American public needs to become more accepting of long wars, if it seeks to have any victorious wars.

The modern American public has a 100% track record of supporting wars we had any business fighting. They've supported a solid decade plus of intervention in Afghanistan. They supported WW2, obviously.

I see no reason the public should become more accepting of moronic quagmire nation-building bullshit like Vietnam or Iraq.

380 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:49:05am

Apparently the new narrative being pushed by the wingnuts is that Romney overrode his campaign's midnight embargo because of the State Department's condemnation of the original Egyptian embassy tweets. They're trying to portray it as him calling attention to an effort to throw the embassy staffer "under the bus" in order to cover up the tweets.

And upon reflection, I could see that, but not in the way they imagine. I think the Romney campaign saw the tweets, saw the violence in Egypt and Libya, and thought "We can set the narrative on this!" They wrote the statement, thinking that the embassy tweets would still go unnoticed until after the embargo had passed. But when the State Department disavowed the tweet, the campaign panicked because they saw their line of attack disappearing, and hit the "panic" button.

381 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:49:05am

re: #340 NJDhockeyfan

Al Qaeda leader urges support for ousting Syria's Assad

What a mess. The choices are a genocidal leader who is killing thousands of his own people or a resistance who is fighting along side a terrorist group who's ultimate plan is to destroy Israel.

I have pointed this out before and I'll do it again. The resistance came to the west for help and got border sealings but no direct aid. Al quaeda approached them and said they'd provide money, bullets, and people.

In a fight for survival, do you turn away something like that?

382 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:49:23am

Hey I have an idea: let's not fight wars unless we really fucking have to.

383 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:50:00am

Good Morning Everyone in Lizardia! Happy Thursday to you all, hows it going for y'all today? I'm only here for a few mins, a quick pop in to say hi.

384 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:51:44am

Oh hey nice job Daily News putting a picture of our ambassador's corpse on the front page.

385 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:53:31am

re: #381 kirkspencer

I have pointed this out before and I'll do it again. The resistance came to the west for help and got border sealings but no direct aid. Al quaeda approached them and said they'd provide money, bullets, and people.

In a fight for survival, do you turn away something like that?

If you're smart, yes. Better off dead than living in Al Qaeda idea of an ideal state.

/Yes, that's a derivative of "better Dead than Red" in case you were wondering.

386 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

Romney jumped the gun, it has to be said. he spoke before it was understood that the attack in Libya was a well-planned assault, not just a mob action. But Mitt spoke as if it was a mob action and thus left himself in error.

Given that we're likely looking at a Al Qaeda affiliate here, this attack is more revenge for Abbottabad than revenge for any film.

What about basing his statement on a bald-faced lie, and then repeating it after people in both parties called him on it?

And what about reports that he and his staff continue to ride with the lie today?

What about that?

387 Coracle  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:56:12am

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

corrected.

Meh. It's stronger this year than it has been recently. Romney and his supporters are virtually campaigning on it.

388 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:56:34am
389 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:59:44am

re: #388 Mocking Jay

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Have I mentioned lately how much a hate John Kasich? Not just his DERPy words, but that simpering, syrupy voice. I can't watch the vid at that link because I cannot stand the sound of that man's voice!

390 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:59:51am

re: #384 Mocking Jay

Yeah, that's the Daily News for you. Respectful and discrete, that's their motto //

391 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 8:59:55am

re: #367 Mocking Jay

Quotes For The Day

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some undecideds read the Reagan/Bush statement at the time and thought "Okay, that's patriotic...and Presidential."

And then there's Mitt "Shameless" Romney.

392 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:00:10am

re: #386 makeitstop

You go with what you got... and Romney's got nothing to lose by lying - and continuing to lie. His base is running with it, those who know better are running with it, and they seem to think that it's a winning issue to show that Obama is 1) weak on foreign policy; (2) is an apologist for US; and (3) doesn't have US' best interests in mind because he's indecisive.

Each is a facet of the other, but it's all part of longstanding GOP claims against the Administration. And that's even though on the GWOT, the Obama Administration has largely continued Bush era policies and in many respects gone even more aggressively against terror groups, including killing OBL in the Abbottabad Pakistan raid. It's kinda tough to claim that the President isn't going after terrorists enough, when he was willing to invade a nominal ally with military forces to kill/capture OBL.

But that's what cognitive dissonance will do.

393 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:01:17am

re: #367 Mocking Jay

Quotes For The Day

Related:

394 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:02:16am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

If you're smart, yes. Better off dead than living in Al Qaeda idea of an ideal state.

/Yes, that's a derivative of "better Dead than Red" in case you were wondering.

*****

"Better dead than Red" was an anti-Communist phrase, possibly first used during World War II (in German as "Lieber tot als rot") and later during the Cold War by the United States. It was possibly coined by Nazi Germany's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, in the end phase of the Second World War to motivate the German military and population to fight the Soviet Red Army to the end.

Hmm...

395 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:04:40am
396 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:05:03am

re: #392 lawhawk

Oh God, please don't say that to my Father! He would go so ballistic that I'd never ever hear the end of it! No joke, Fox has him so brainwashed its not funny. Every time I see him, which is two to three times a week, he demands to know who I'm voting for and it had better not be Obama! Sigh....

397 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:05:06am

re: #394 BongCrodny

It was possibly coined by Nazi Germany's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, in the end phase of the Second World War

This seems unlikely for the simple reason that it rhymes nicely in English but not in German. If Goebbels coined a catchy anti-Communist phrase (which I can easily imagine he did), it would be only tangentially related.

(EDIT) Durrrr of course it does. Been too long since HS German, methinks.

398 Mattand  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:05:41am

re: #385 Dark_Falcon

If you're smart, yes. Better off dead than living in Al Qaeda idea of an ideal state.

/Yes, that's a derivative of "better Dead than Red" in case you were wondering.

Not that I endorse an Al Qaeda way of life by any of stretch, but it's really easy to make those kind of pronouncements when you and your family aren't being threatened by imminent slaughter.

399 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:05:53am

re: #396 Donna Ballard

Oh God, please don't say that to my Father! He would go so ballistic that I'd never ever hear the end of it! No joke, Fox has him so brainwashed its not funny. Every time I see him, which is two to three times a week, he demands to know who I'm voting for and it had better not be Obama! Sigh....

So... who is it?!?

/

400 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:06:23am

re: #397 erik_t

This seems unlikely for the simple reason that it rhymes nicely in English but not in German. If Goebbels coined a catchy anti-Communist phrase (which I can easily imagine he did), it would be only tangentially related.

I dunno. Seems to have a good cadence in German, also.

401 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:06:32am

re: #397 erik_t

This seems unlikely for the simple reason that it rhymes nicely in English but not in German. If Goebbels coined a catchy anti-Communist phrase (which I can easily imagine he did), it would be only tangentially related.

Besser todt wie rot rhymes in German.

402 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:06:35am

re: #398 Mattand

Not that I endorse an Al Qaeda way of life by any of stretch, but it's really easy to make those kind of pronouncements when you and your family aren't being threatened by imminent slaughter.

true, but I still mean it.

403 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:07:28am

re: #400 BongCrodny

I dunno. Seems to have a good cadence in German, also.

See above. Let's see how this goes...

Ich denke dass soll ich mehr Kaffe trinken.

404 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:07:53am

re: #397 erik_t

This seems unlikely for the simple reason that it rhymes nicely in English but not in German. If Goebbels coined a catchy anti-Communist phrase (which I can easily imagine he did), it would be only tangentially related.

"tot" and "rot" don't rhyme in German?

405 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:08:35am

re: #396 Donna Ballard

Oh God, please don't say that to my Father! He would go so ballistic that I'd never ever hear the end of it! No joke, Fox has him so brainwashed its not funny. Every time I see him, which is two to three times a week, he demands to know who I'm voting for and it had better not be Obama! Sigh....

Try buying him some books written by non-liberals that differ from the FNC line, stuff that won't trigger his automatic rejection reflex. Then use that as a pry bar to get him to open up a bit.

406 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:08:46am

It'd be cool if edits auto-reloaded in the same way that new comments ajaxily appear at the bottom of the screen. Clearly this is not currently how things work.

407 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:09:11am

re: #399 Mocking Jay

So... who is it?!?

/

Like I told him, its none of his business. You think he liked that answer? Noooo.... He continues to torment me over it! The last time I saw him he said to me, and I quote, "do me a favor, vote for Romney" I just stared at him and said nothing. Sigh...

408 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:09:15am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Try buying him some books written by non-liberals that differ from the FNC line, stuff that won't trigger his automatic rejection reflex. Then use that as a pry bar to get him to open up a bit.

If any books like that exist, I'll be amazed.

409 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:11:09am

re: #407 Donna Ballard

Like I told him, its none of his business. You think he liked that answer? Noooo.... He continues to torment me over it! The last time I saw him he said to me, and I quote, "do me a favor, vote for Romney" I just stared at him and said nothing. Sigh...

As if your vote's going to matter in California...

410 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:11:16am

re: #401 Sheila Brovlofski

Besser todt wie rot rhymes in German.

Actually, his line was "Lieber tot als rot."

411 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:11:16am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

I tried that, he wont read 'em. I found the books in the recycle bin. Oh well, I did try. Like to old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.....

412 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:11:42am

re: #408 Lidane

If any books like that exist, I'll be amazed.

The problem is that once you're Foxified, any book that differs from the wingnut line is automatically by a liberal.

413 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:11:56am

re: #410 kirkspencer

Actually, his line was "Lieber tot als rot."

Yiddish gets in the way of correct German for me.

414 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:12:16am

re: #407 Donna Ballard

Like I told him, its none of his business. You think he liked that answer? Noooo.... He continues to torment me over it! The last time I saw him he said to me, and I quote, "do me a favor, vote for Romney" I just stared at him and said nothing. Sigh...

heh - "No, see, I want you to have your medicaid when you need it for your nursing home."

415 Mattand  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:12:38am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

Try buying him some books written by non-liberals that differ from the FNC line, stuff that won't trigger his automatic rejection reflex. Then use that as a pry bar to get him to open up a bit.

Ain't gonna happen. I've seen what happens to Republican seniors who watch Fox News; every prejudice and paranoid fear is exploited, justified, and magnified by a factor of 50. It's very sad.

416 dragonath  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:13:24am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

What part of "easily refutable lie" did you miss?

417 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:14:36am

re: #409 Mocking Jay

As if your vote's going to matter in California...

Boy you got that right! Besides voting for me is moot, the electoral collage will decide, not little independent people like me..... I have a brain, I don't follow the rest of the flock so I don't matter and neither does my vote.

418 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:15:16am

re: #411 Donna Ballard

I tried that, he wont read 'em. I found the books in the recycle bin. Oh well, I did try. Like to old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.....

How about something historical? Look for something written by a Republican, something more than 5 years old. that way it will not seem 'suspicious' but on reading it might help open his eyes. An honest look at the war in Iraq called In the Red Zone by the late Steven Vincent might be a good place to start.

419 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:16:19am

re: #416 dragonath

What part of "easily refutable lie" did you miss?

I said what I was willing to say.

420 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:16:31am

re: #417 Donna Ballard

Boy you got that right! Besides voting for me is moot, the electoral collage will decide, not little independent people like me..... I have a brain, I don't follow the rest of the flock so I don't matter and neither does my vote.

That is true in a sense, but popular vote matters.
I have the same (reverse) issue here in TX. But I always think my vote counts.

421 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:16:33am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

How about something historical? Look for something written by a Republican, something more than 5 years old. that way it will not seem 'suspicious' but on reading it might help open his eyes. An honest look at the war in Iraq called In the Red Zone by the late Steven Vincent might be a good place to start.

Does it have sufficent truthiness? If it disagrees with what he believes, then it must be written by a liberal.

422 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:16:35am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

I haven't tried that one, I'll look it up. It cant hurt to try again. I hope.

423 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:17:10am

Argh.

I'm on a mailing list for an RPG and I get it in digest mode since I usually only have time to read it to mine good info from it. But, alas, digest mode means I can't filter the idiots out easily. Right now there's a Randian whining almost daily because a retired Army officer called her (Rand) out as the sociopath she was. I'd post "please don't feed the troll" but of course by the time I get the digest, several have.

Just needed a brief whine myself. Thank you for putting up with it.

Hope everyone else is having a good morning.

424 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:17:44am

re: #415 Mattand

Ain't gonna happen. I've seen what happens to Republican seniors who watch Fox News; every prejudice and paranoid fear is exploited, justified, and magnified by a factor of 50. It's very sad.

I'm lucky then: My father doesn't watch TV news. He waits to read it in the Chicago Tribune, which does not spew Bad Craziness.

425 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:18:40am

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

I said what I was willing to say.

Ah, the 'if I don't admit it it didn't happen' school of thought. I think I tried that when I was five.

426 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:18:49am

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

I said what I was willing to say.

So you're not willing to admit that Mitt Romney attacked the POTUS with an easily refuted lie, tried to exploit a man's death for political gain, and then doubled down on his idiocy when he was rightly attacked for it?

427 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:19:00am

re: #423 William Barnett-Lewis

Argh.

I'm on a mailing list for an RPG and I get it in digest mode since I usually only have time to read it to mine good info from it. But, alas, digest mode means I can't filter the idiots out easily. Right now there's a Randian whining almost daily because a retired Army officer called her out as the sociopath she was. I'd post "please don't feed the troll" but of course by the time I get the digest, several have.

Just needed a brief whine myself. Thank you for putting up with it.

Hope everyone else is having a good morning.

which rpg? I run Basic Fantasy Role Playing [Link: www.basicfantasy.org...]

Best old school ruleset out there.

428 BongCrodny  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:19:15am

re: #410 kirkspencer

Actually, his line was "Lieber tot als rot."

I note that a "singer" named Ander Luders did a song called "Lieber tot als rot."

I note that Mr. Luders is a Neo-Nazi.

Forgive me if I don't think "better dead than red" is an especially noble motto.

429 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:20:18am

re: #423 William Barnett-Lewis

Argh.

I'm on a mailing list for an RPG and I get it in digest mode since I usually only have time to read it to mine good info from it. But, alas, digest mode means I can't filter the idiots out easily. Right now there's a Randian whining almost daily because a retired Army officer called her out as the sociopath she was. I'd post "please don't feed the troll" but of course by the time I get the digest, several have.

Just needed a brief whine myself. Thank you for putting up with it.

Hope everyone else is having a good morning.

I hope you have a good morning, 'cause it's gonna be a sad evening for you, Cheesehead! The Bears are comin' to Green Bay and they'll be leaving in victory. I hope you got a beer that still tastes good after you cry into it up there!

/Mandatory pro-Bears trash-talking

430 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:20:25am

re: #415 Mattand

Ain't gonna happen. I've seen what happens to Republican seniors who watch Fox News; every prejudice and paranoid fear is exploited, justified, and magnified by a factor of 50. It's very sad.

All I can do is try. I do have one bright spot about my visiting my parents, my Dad's finally stopped watching Fox News when I go over. I guess he's gotten tired of listening to me refute them at the top of my lungs... LOL!

431 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:20:30am

Hulu Plus has every season of Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea available. Guilty pleasure today.

432 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:21:34am

re: #428 BongCrodny

Better Dead than Red is like "WOLVERINES!!!" to me. It's an outdated Cold War relic that has no relevance today, and which is simplistic nonsense.

433 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:21:40am

re: #430 Donna Ballard

All I can do is try. I do have one bright spot about my visiting my parents, my Dad's finally stopped watching Fox News when I go over. I guess he's gotten tired of listening to me refute them at the top of my lungs... LOL!

I do that when my wife watches the psychic and paranormal shows. Except I got banished to the other room, so I maybe need to rethink my approach.

434 Coracle  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:22:04am

re: #417 Donna Ballard

Boy you got that right! Besides voting for me is moot, the electoral collage will decide, not little independent people like me..... I have a brain, I don't follow the rest of the flock so I don't matter and neither does my vote.

That's a bad attitude. My state's not in play in any meaningful way, but my vote matters no less than an Ohioans.

435 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:22:10am

re: #430 Donna Ballard

All I can do is try. I do have one bright spot about my visiting my parents, my Dad's finally stopped watching Fox News when I go over. I guess he's gotten tired of listening to me refute them at the top of my lungs... LOL!

Well, it seems clear he does love you and he'd probably rather not see you upset like that. So he put his opinions a set down in the interests of comity in the family. That's a good sign.

436 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:22:38am

re: #419 Dark_Falcon

I said what I was willing to say.

FFS, take the blinders off.

437 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:23:04am

re: #434 Coracle

That's a bad attitude. My state's not in play in any meaningful way, but my vote matters no less than an Ohioans.

If you give up, the bastards have gotten you down, which only helps them.

438 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:23:08am

re: #430 Donna Ballard

All I can do is try. I do have one bright spot about my visiting my parents, my Dad's finally stopped watching Fox News when I go over. I guess he's gotten tired of listening to me refute them at the top of my lungs... LOL!

I used to think of my mom as a moonbat, now I think of her as "right all along." Heh.

439 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:23:29am
440 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:23:40am

re: #427 PT Barnum

which rpg? I run Basic Fantasy Role Playing [Link: www.basicfantasy.org...]

Best old school ruleset out there.

Traveller. My first game in 1977 and still my favorite.

Basic Fantasy - that's one of the modern "white box" clones isn't it? Probably be good for running in Blackmoor if it's the one I'm thinking of.

441 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:24:13am

Rob Portman is an utter fucking piece of dogshit.

During the interview with Portman, CBS’s Norah O’Donnell explained to him the actual chronology of events, asking, “Do you know that?”

Portman conceded that he was unaware of how the events took place, but continued to defend Romney’s response in generally the same way. “No, I was not aware it was issued before there were any attacks,” Portman said. “I still think, Norah, you know, it implies that somehow the attacks could be justified by, again, a video.”

Romney's campaign must have a new talking point for when the speaker is confronted by unpleasant facts.

442 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:24:46am

re: #428 BongCrodny

I note that a "singer" named Ander Luders did a song called "Lieber tot als rot."

I note that Mr. Luders is a Neo-Nazi.

Forgive me if I don't think "better dead than red" is an especially noble motto.

I always wondered why there was no fascist counterpart to the phrase.
Better in the ground than brown?

443 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:25:40am

re: #441 erik_t

Rob Portman is an utter fucking piece of dogshit.

Romney's campaign must have a new talking point for when the speaker is confronted by unpleasant facts.

It doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is accusing POTUS of being an apologist. Fucking shame.

444 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:26:47am

re: #440 William Barnett-Lewis

Traveller. My first game in 1977 and still my favorite.

Basic Fantasy - that's one of the modern "white box" clones isn't it? Probably be good for running in Blackmoor if it's the one I'm thinking of.

I liked traveller, but found that the character generation was the best part. I've always been partial to fantasy RPG over Sci-Fi.

Basic Fantasy is white box with D20 mechanics. I like it because it's very rules light and gets back to what I liked about RPGs, being creative and telling a story not wading through tons of supplemental info to look up some obscure rule.

445 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:27:11am

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Looks like Mitch McConnell likes his tea quite a bit, he hired Ron Paul's campaign manager to run his 2014 re-election campaign.

446 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:27:15am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

It doesn't seem to matter. All that matters is accusing POTUS of being an apologist. Fucking shame.

Portman is apparently representing Obama in Romney's practice debates.

Invest in popcorn futures.

447 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:27:36am

He doesn't always raise money for politicians, but when he does, it's for President Obama:

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

448 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:27:39am

re: #442 HappyWarrior

I always wondered why there was no fascist counterpart to the phrase.
Better in the ground than brown?

Because the Nazis were never visibly accepted into any respectable circles in the US, while Communists had been accepted into some such circles prior to and during WWII.

449 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:28:17am

re: #444 PT Barnum

I liked traveller, but found that the character generation was the best part. I've always been partial to fantasy RPG over Sci-Fi.

Basic Fantasy is white box with D20 mechanics. I like it because it's very rules light and gets back to what I liked about RPGs, being creative and telling a story not wading through tons of supplemental info to look up some obscure rule.

oh by the way, my campaign wiki is at [Link: www(dot)teluria(dot)org...]
The character blogs are pretty fun.

450 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:29:08am

re: #434 Coracle

That's a bad attitude. My state's not in play in any meaningful way, but my vote matters no less than an Ohioans.

Sweetie, when you live in a state where the government routinely hides cash then says its broke and raises taxes to give their employees a raise and then lies to cover their tracks on a regular basis, pushes through multi-billion dollar projects even when the constituents vehemently vote no, you have about as much power with your vote as an ant pushing a locomotive. After 39 years of casting my vote and watching our politicians lie, cheat and steal and get away with it you do tend to get a bit jaded as to the power of the individual vote. Sorry if that bothers you, but it is what it is.

451 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:29:14am

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

Because the Nazis were never visibly accepted into any respectable circes in the US, while Communists had been accepted into some such circles prior to and during WWII.

Mussolini had his admirers. Besides, I was being silly.

452 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:29:32am
453 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:30:17am

Gah. A Facebook friend just likened Bloomberg's soda ban to '1938 Berlin.'

Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
etc.

454 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:30:35am

re: #446 erik_t

Portman is apparently representing Obama in Romney's practice debates.

Invest in popcorn futures.

Yeah I heard about that. Mitt's going to I think need a good performance in the debate and he's also going to need Obama to do poorly.

455 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:30:40am
456 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:31:40am

From the Telegraph...

Latest
17.25 (12.25) Some harrowing footage from the attack in Yemen earlier today.

457 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:31:51am

re: #453 makeitstop

Gah. A Facebook friend just likened Bloomberg's soda ban to '1938 Berlin.'

Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
etc.

Sheesh, Bloomberg's law is stupid in my opinion but really 1938 Berlin? Yeah not being able to as much soda as you want is just like thugs smashing your business if you're Jewish or if you're a dissident being sent to Dachau. People are so stupid when it comes to perspective.

458 Mattand  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:32:20am

re: #453 makeitstop

Gah. A Facebook friend just likened Bloomberg's soda ban to '1938 Berlin.'

Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
etc.

I deal with a guy who literally thinks Obama is vilifying business owners and is running with the "You didn't build that" idiocy.

459 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:32:23am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Mussolini had his admirers. Besides, I was being silly.

Mussolini did, but Hitler really didn't, other than ethic appeal to America's German populations (which was not insignificant, I must say sadly). But I'm pretty careful in talking about that, as I have no desire to get clobbered for inadvertently rehashing a Jonah Goldberg theme.

460 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:32:27am

re: #429 Dark_Falcon

DF, the way the defense is screwed up in GB right now, I fully expect we'll be 1 - 3 on Oct 1. When the Bears win the division this year they'll scapegoat the Defensive Coordinator despite it being the fault of our incompetent GM & coach. Rodger's can only make up for so much.

461 Donna Ballard  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:34:00am

Hey Kids, my time is about up. Its been fun and real but I gotta be going now. I have to go get ready to take my folks out to some friends for theirs for the day. Have fun, and keep smiling!

462 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:34:06am

re: #444 PT Barnum

I liked traveller, but found that the character generation was the best part. I've always been partial to fantasy RPG over Sci-Fi.

Basic Fantasy is white box with D20 mechanics. I like it because it's very rules light and gets back to what I liked about RPGs, being creative and telling a story not wading through tons of supplemental info to look up some obscure rule.

Been meaning to take a look, I'll do so later today.

463 dragonath  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:35:04am

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Hollywood was shockingly lax towards the Nazis, with the exception of Warner Bros. It wasn't until the late 30's that the Hays Office would give anti-Nazi films clearance.

464 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:35:13am

re: #462 William Barnett-Lewis

Been meaning to take a look, I'll do so later today.

Oh did I mention it's also free?

465 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:35:39am

re: #433 PT Barnum

I do that when my wife watches the psychic and paranormal shows. Except I got banished to the other room, so I maybe need to rethink my approach.

Depends. Does this mean you get to play on the computer without interruption?

466 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:35:52am
467 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:36:40am

It's morning.

you?

468 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:36:58am

re: #453 makeitstop

Gah. A Facebook friend just likened Bloomberg's soda ban to '1938 Berlin.'

Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
etc.

I wasn't aware that NYPD is going around smashing up luncheonettes, 7-11's and bodegas that sell Big Gulps.

469 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:37:17am

re: #458 Mattand

I deal with a guy who literally thinks Obama is vilifying business owners and is running with the "You didn't build that" idiocy.

And I have a couple of Republican friends that have swallowed the "Obama apologized for America and got our people killed!" bullshit that the GOP has been peddling. It's annoying.

470 Coracle  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:37:20am

re: #450 Donna Ballard

I feel your disillusionment. I won't play with your ant vs. train metaphor either, though I could. It doesn't change the fact that not voting still relinquishes what power you do have.

471 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:37:22am

re: #466 Lidane

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Oh boy, the paulians and fed conspiracy nuts will go crazy.

472 brennant  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:37:23am

Has anyone been following the "report" that the Marines at the Cairo Embassy were not allowed to carry live ammunition? So far the "report" comes from a Nightwatch... which points to a USMC blog of some sort...

473 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:37:23am

re: #460 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, the way the defense is screwed up in GB right now, I fully expect we'll be 1 - 3 on Oct 1. When the Bears win the division this year they'll scapegoat the Defensive Coordinator despite it being the fault of our incompetent GM & coach. Rodger's can only make up for so much.

So I've heard you say, and I believe you. If it makes you feel any better, we've seen that foolish Kabuki dance perform in Chicago. Only in our case it was the offense that was fouled up. But I'm sure you'll still watch the game, correct? I promise not to gloat if the Bears win, though I will be not be assuming they've won till the final whistle. Rodgers is explosive, and he will give the Bears defense all they can handle and perhaps a bit more. It's going to be up to Jay Cutler and the offense to win this one for the Bears.

474 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:38:38am

re: #472 brennant

Has anyone been following the "report" that the Marines at the Cairo Embassy were not allowed to carry live ammunition? So far the "report" comes from a Nightwatch... which points to a USMC blog of some sort...

I have not heard of that 'report' before now.

475 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:38:39am

re: #453 makeitstop

Gah. A Facebook friend just likened Bloomberg's soda ban to '1938 Berlin.'

Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
Facepalm
Headdesk
etc.

Actually, when I first heard of it, I thought of the same thing. Then it all left my head.

476 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:39:23am

re: #474 Dark_Falcon

I have not heard of that 'report' before now.

It's the wingnut outrageous outrage du jour.

477 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:39:50am

re: #472 brennant

Has anyone been following the "report" that the Marines at the Cairo Embassy were not allowed to carry live ammunition? So far the "report" comes from a Nightwatch... which points to a USMC blog of some sort...

Sounds like bullshit to me.

478 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:40:42am

re: #471 blueraven

Oh boy, the paulians and fed conspiracy nuts will go crazy.

They aren't crazy already?

479 brennant  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:40:59am

re: #477 Lidane

I agree. It's a "report" from a "blog"... I guess I was hoping to dig to the actual blog, but of course, what I found just references it.

480 blueraven  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:41:23am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

They aren't crazy already?

good point

481 erik_t  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:42:02am

re: #477 Lidane

Sounds like bullshit to me.

I think the truthiness quotient could be said to be high.

482 brennant  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:42:17am

This is what they (Red State, Free Beacon) reference.

483 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:42:52am
484 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:43:24am

re: #479 brennant

I agree. It's a "report" from a "blog"... I guess I was hoping to dig to the actual blog, but of course, what I found just references it.

Then ignore it. Wait till something more solid emerges, and if nothing does then it was just bullshit. People use blogs to plant ugly rumors sometimes.

485 dragonath  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:45:08am

Too bad half of the blogosphere has already run with it, then.

486 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:46:16am

re: #482 brennant

This is what they (Red State, Free Beacon) reference.

Check under "contract vehicles". This firm is a government contractor.

487 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:47:44am

re: #482 brennant

This is what they (Red State, Free Beacon) reference.

Time magazine is reporting it to.

488 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:48:41am

re: #487 NJDhockeyfan

Time magazine is reporting it to.

Then it might be true. Link, please?

489 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:48:43am

Ah, Sci-Fi Fans. Guess the novel trivia:

"Why couldn't they swim in something sensible, like lime jello?"

490 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:49:19am
491 brennant  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:49:36am

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

Then it might be true. Link, please?

Link

reports John McCreary, a former veteran Defense Intelligence Agency analyst. Well, Battleland can’t find those blogs; we’ve asked McCreary for them, and also asked the Marines and State Department to respond to what he is reporting.

492 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:51:34am

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

Then it might be true. Link, please?

[Link: nation.time.com...]

493 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:51:45am

re: #491 brennant

Link

Thank You. We'll need to see if McCreary is willing to cite sources. His claim cannot be held to be valid unless he does that.

494 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:53:43am

re: #453 makeitstop

You can be opposed to Bloomberg's soda ban without resorting to nonsensical Godwinning.

I'm opposed to his plans on several grounds. He chose the easiest route to try to reduce caloric intake, even though soda consumption is actually down in recent years. There are other beverages that contain far more calories, but aren't included in the ban. It applies only to fountain sodas 16oz or more.

It doesn't apply to coffee products (think DnD or Starbucks frappes), milk products - milk shakes at Carvel, or to supermarket sodas - 2liter bottles.

It also functions as a tax on soda - such that if someone had been buying soda in those sizes to share among multiple people, they'll be hit up for higher costs. It also ignores refills.

Obesity isn't a product of consumption choices alone. Sedentary lifestyle plays a major role - and we have too many sitting on their asses and not enough activity.

But it's also interesting that he chose soda, and not super sized portions of beef or other foods, which can be as bad or worse than soda. They might not be the empty calories of soda but they could be worse in some ways because of the fats, sugars, and other factors that can adversely affect health.

And what's to stop soda makers from putting vitamins and minerals in the sodas to offset the claims that they're empty calories. That's the dividing line here - juices aren't banned, but soda is, even though juices can contain as many calories as the same sizes of soda.

495 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:54:47am

re: #494 lawhawk

You can be opposed to Bloomberg's soda ban without resorting to nonsensical Godwinning.

I'm opposed to his plans on several grounds. He chose the easiest route to try to reduce caloric intake, even though soda consumption is actually down in recent years. There are other beverages that contain far more calories, but aren't included in the ban. It applies only to fountain sodas 16oz or more.

It doesn't apply to coffee products (think DnD or Starbucks frappes), milk products - milk shakes at Carvel, or to supermarket sodas - 2liter bottles.

It also functions as a tax on soda - such that if someone had been buying soda in those sizes to share among multiple people, they'll be hit up for higher costs. It also ignores refills.

Obesity isn't a product of consumption choices alone. Sedentary lifestyle plays a major role - and we have too many sitting on their asses and not enough activity.

But it's also interesting that he chose soda, and not super sized portions of beef or other foods, which can be as bad or worse than soda. They might not be the empty calories of soda but they could be worse in some ways because of the fats, sugars, and other factors that can adversely affect health.

And what's to stop soda makers from putting vitamins and minerals in the sodas to offset the claims that they're empty calories. That's the dividing line here - juices aren't banned, but soda is, even though juices can contain as many calories as the same sizes of soda.

Good points.

496 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:55:15am

re: #491 brennant

Link

And John McReary is part of KGS, which is the link brennant gave us.

In other words it's all coming from a single source, one which isn't sharing its basis and has a somewhat rightwing bias.

497 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:56:27am

re: #490 Lidane

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My mind totally cannot handle wonk right now.

498 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:57:08am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

Thank You. We'll need to see if McCreary is willing to cite sources. His claim cannot be held to be valid unless he does that.

I hope its not true. I would think we learned our lesson from 1983 when the USMC barracks were bombed in Beirut. If I remember correctly they were not allowed any ammo either.

499 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:57:41am
500 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:57:45am

re: #494 lawhawk

You can be opposed to Bloomberg's soda ban without resorting to nonsensical Godwinning.

I'm opposed to his plans on several grounds. He chose the easiest route to try to reduce caloric intake, even though soda consumption is actually down in recent years. There are other beverages that contain far more calories, but aren't included in the ban. It applies only to fountain sodas 16oz or more.

I quit drinking soda over 10 years ago and my beverage of choice is sparkling water. I once took a sip of 7-Up thinking it was seltzer and it tasted gaggingly sweet to me.

I really think people do not include soda and other beverages when they think about the calories they consume. Maybe they do stop and think if they drink beer or some other alcoholic beverage, or a milkshake or some Starbucks coffee-flavored ice cream thing.

501 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:57:58am
502 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:59:05am

I've never understood the concept of military without bullets. Same with Cops --like in England.

If they don't have the power to stop a person, why have them?

503 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 9:59:24am

re: #498 NJDhockeyfan

I hope its not true. I would think we learned our lesson from 1983 when the USMC barracks were bombed in Beirut. If I remember correctly they were not allowed any ammo either.

How is having ammo going to help against a car bomb or a suicide bomber? Even if they can shoot the bomber, he might be equipped with a "dead man's switch."

504 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:02:43am

re: #503 Sheila Brovlofski

How is having ammo going to help against a car bomb or a suicide bomber? Even if they can shoot the bomber, he might be equipped with a "dead man's switch."

Perhaps shooting at the oncoming car might have killed the driver and prevented him from pulling the trigger. We will never know, will we?

505 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:04:07am

re: #503 Sheila Brovlofski

How is having ammo going to help against a car bomb or a suicide bomber? Even if they can shoot the bomber, he might be equipped with a "dead man's switch."

Yes, but if you gun him down short of the targeted building then the damage to said building would be greatly lessened. And dead man's switches sometimes fail, too. Lastly is the fact that fact that a speeding van could contain a shooter team, as in Libya, instead of a VBIED.

506 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:04:17am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Perhaps shooting at the oncoming car might have killed the driver and prevented him from pulling the trigger. We will never know, will we?

It would be easy for the terrorists to rig up a "dead man's switch" in case the driver is disabled.

507 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:07:16am

re: #444 PT Barnum

I liked traveller, but found that the character generation was the best part. I've always been partial to fantasy RPG over Sci-Fi.

Basic Fantasy is white box with D20 mechanics. I like it because it's very rules light and gets back to what I liked about RPGs, being creative and telling a story not wading through tons of supplemental info to look up some obscure rule.

I prefer Pendragon myself - but that's pretty genre specific. (And it's a variation on the older BRP in any case IIRC.)

508 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:08:42am

re: #506 Sheila Brovlofski

It would be easy for the terrorists to rig up a "dead man's switch" in case the driver is disabled.

It's possible.

509 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:13:33am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Perhaps shooting at the oncoming car might have killed the driver and prevented him from pulling the trigger. We will never know, will we?

OMG! Have you ever seen the cartridges they use to stop a engine at vehicle checkpoints? They showed them to us at the last "Women & Guns" safety class I took.

510 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:13:33am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Perhaps shooting at the oncoming car might have killed the driver and prevented him from pulling the trigger. We will never know, will we?

How did they know the car was a bomb?

511 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:13:47am

Rush is reporting Marines were not allowed live ammo, must be true then!
/

512 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:14:08am

re: #507 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I prefer Pendragon myself - but that's pretty genre specific. (And it's a variation on the older BRP in any case IIRC.)

I'm going to let you finish, but Chaosium has the best RPG system of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

513 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:16:09am

re: #512 Kragar

I'm going to let you finish, but Chaosium has the best RPG system of all time.

OF ALL TIME.

Pendragon is a Chaosium system - developed (and still getting updated supplements) by Greg Stafford.

514 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:16:22am

I'm glad that this is a front page story where I live
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Makes me humgry. My daughter really wants a tea-cup pig, I said sure, and when you stop take caring of it, I eat it.

515 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:16:55am

Jews Must Be Converted: FRC Vice President

Jerry Boykin is the Executive Vice President of the Family Research Council and Tony Perkins’ right-hand man. FRC is hosting the far right conference that the House Majority Leader, who is Jewish, plans to address tomorrow.

Boykin, much like Bryan Fischer, has a penchant for saying exactly what’s on his mind – things which others know not to say, even when they’re thinking the same thing. While you may know Boykin from his prolific Muslim-bashing, he also has some interesting things to say about Jews.

In a 2009 speech on “Why We Must Stand with Israel,” Boykin spoke out against pastors who say that “the Jews don’t have to come to know Jesus,” complaining that those pastors were “destroying the efforts” to lead Jews to Christ:

516 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:17:47am

re: #510 b_sharp

How did they know the car was a bomb?

They didn't. If you were at a military gate and you saw someone step on the gas headed right for you would you wait to see if it was a car bomb or commence shooting right away?

517 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:18:26am

re: #513 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Pendragon is a Chaosium system - developed (and still getting updated supplements) by Greg Stafford.

Don't distract me with facts.

518 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:18:29am

re: #507 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Ah, BRP ... Pendragon can be fun but RQII was way cool in it's day. I liked the way armor was done piecemeal and that anyone could learn to use a magic spell or three. It was a refreshing change from what had become very stale AD&D sessions for me.

519 garhighway  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:18:46am

re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've been watching "Walking Dead" and "The Unit". The Unit kinda rules. Figures since Eric Haney is the supervising producer and the series was made from his book "Inside Delta Force".

Mamet kicks ass.

520 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:19:17am

re: #517 Kragar

Don't distract me with facts.

You're Mitt Romney and I claim my $5!

;)

521 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:20:15am

All I can say about the new D&D edition is that is should be banished to the deepest layer of the Abyss and never spoken about ever.

522 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:21:19am

re: #515 Kragar

Jews Must Be Converted: FRC Vice President

Lovely guy Boykin is. No wonder why the FRC hired him. He's perfect for their bigoted organization.

523 Kragar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:22:04am

E.W. Jackson and Jerry Boykin Call for a 'Mass Exodus' of Christians from the Democratic Party

On Monday, fringe Religious Right activist and failed Senate candidate E.W. Jackson hosted a press conference to "call for a mass Exodus of Christians from the Democrat party."

And Jackson kicked things off by doing just that, declaring that all Christians and Jews must leave the Democratic Party because "it has turned its back on us; it is time that we turn our back on it." As proof, Jackson cited the plank supporting marriage equality in the party platform, saying that by including this, the Democratic Party has declared that the Bible is a lie and the God is a liar:

I really don't see how someone can say a work of fiction is a lie.

524 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:22:39am

re: #518 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, BRP ... Pendragon can be fun but RQII was way cool in it's day. I liked the way armor was done piecemeal and that anyone could learn to use a magic spell or three. It was a refreshing change from what had become very stale AD&D sessions for me.

One of the best things Pendragon has going for it at this point is a monster campaign source book covering the Arthurian period year by year from before Arthur's birth until the final battle. Makes a really good framework to hang a campaign from. (And the generational aspect of an 80 year long campaign is where Pendragon really shines.)

525 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:22:42am

re: #515 Kragar

Jews Must Be Converted: FRC Vice President

These guys must really have IQ's in the negative numbers if they think any Jew, even (and maybe especially) a wingnut Jew, is going to listen to their Jesus spiel.

526 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:23:18am

re: #521 Kragar

All I can say about the new D&D edition is that is should be banished to the deepest layer of the Abyss and never spoken about ever.

Where do you think it came from in the first place? Along with WOTC wanting to pad their wallets some more.

527 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:23:22am

Shocka!

Ron Paul One Of The Most Corrupt Members Of Congress, Report Finds

Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul has been named one of the most corrupt members of Congress in a new report from the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

The report says Paul "double-billed" his travel expenses a number of times over the last decade, meaning he may have been reimbursed for the same flights both under his official allowance as congressman, and by either non-profit groups under his control or his campaign committee.

The revelation would be ironic in part because Paul made fiscal responsibility a central tenet of his 2012 presidential campaign. The congressman celebrated a major victory in July when his bill to audit the Federal Reserve for greater transparency passed the House.

Paul's possible double-billing has been in the public eye since Roll Call first reported it in February, but CREW says there is no evidence Paul has repaid the money since.

A request for comment from Paul's office was not immediately returned.

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I can hear lots of PaulBot heads exploding : )

528 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:23:29am

Iran Press-TV has got it sorted out!

CIA, Mossad team up to insult Islamic values

He calls himself a religious leader, a “preacher,” this Terry Jones, the man responsible for blaspheming the prophet Mohammed. He has made threats before, burned the Holy Quran, spouted obscenities, demanded attention and has acted with demonic intent.


This week, Jones released a streaming video on his website attacking Islam and purposefully attempting to incite violence against the United States.

Reverend Jones ("the devil's mustache") is a major figure in Iranian conspiracist demonology. The article goes on to link him to the Mossad, the CIA, and Mitt Romney. The latter is somehow in charge of the two Great Satan organizations.
Btw, one of Lubbock's prominent weird-right leaders sometimes cites Iran Press-TV as a source when he is trying to vilify Jews and thinks nobody is checking his links.

529 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:24:23am

re: #523 Kragar

E.W. Jackson and Jerry Boykin Call for a 'Mass Exodus' of Christians from the Democratic Party

I really don't see how someone can say a work of fiction is a lie.

Yeah because Democratic Christians are going to listen to Boykin and Jackson, a guy who was too nuts for the Republican electorate here in Va to be nominated.

530 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:24:40am
531 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:25:00am

QE3 and the DOW is at 120

532 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:25:08am

re: #527 NJDhockeyfan

Shocka!

Ron Paul One Of The Most Corrupt Members Of Congress, Report Finds

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I can hear lots of PaulBot heads exploding : )

But Ron Paul is love. Honestly, I'm not shocked he's crooked.

533 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:25:34am

So now Mitt's attacking the media for not kissing his ass.

534 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:25:40am

GM and Ford conspired together to hire a bunch of people just to make Obama look good.

535 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:27:02am

re: #502 ggt

I've never understood the concept of military without bullets. Same with Cops --like in England.

If they don't have the power to stop a person, why have them?

The report of marines not possessing live ammo is probably false. The embassy would have all sorts of weapons and ammo and I seriously doubt the ambassador would have the authority to prohibit them. The decisions on this sort of thing are made much higher up the chain. Marines on embassy duty have very strict rules about use of force for good reason. Suppose the marines in Libya had been well armed and defended the assault. They could have killed dozens of attacker and protesters and the headlines in the Arab world would be about Americans slaughtering devout Muslims offended by insults to Mo'. The use of force is almost always left to local authorites although Marines could technically defend the Embassy under international law if ordered to do so. Even in Iran in the 80's the embassy had been attacked several times, we knew it was coming. Even then I don't think the Marines were ordered to use force to defend the embassy. It's very rare in modern history and I can think of a recent example of MSG's defending an assault on an embassy.

536 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:27:10am

re: #534 Sheila Brovlofski

GM and Ford conspired together to hire a bunch of people just to make Obama look good.

No, they conspired to crash their own companies (and a chunk of the US economy with it) in order to set the table to make Obama look good by bailing them out.
//

537 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:27:39am

re: #524 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

One of the best things Pendragon has going for it at this point is a monster campaign source book covering the Arthurian period year by year from before Arthur's birth until the final battle. Makes a really good framework to hang a campaign from. (And the generational aspect of an 80 year long campaign is where Pendragon really shines.)

Yep, Grandfather helps get Uther & Arthur in place, father fights alongside Arthur, lastly Son tries to pick up the pieces after the barge sails for the isle...

It has always amazed me how these stories born of legends of the desperate days after Rome left Britain became such an important part of our english mythology.

538 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:28:35am

re: #530 Sheila Brovlofski

Breathtaking Rush FAIL:

Al-Qaeda ‘Gave Up Osama Bin Laden’ To Make ‘Obama Look Good’

That's probably the most hilarious fail. I can just imagine Ayman al-Zawahiri and the other high ups not including OBL of AQ sitting around.
AZ: Guys we need to make Obama look good but how?
AQ1: Bake sale, sir?
AQ2: Renounce terrorism?
AZ: No, you idiots, we tell them where Osama is and then Obama will send the SEALs to get him. Osama will die and Obama will be heralded as a hero which is exactly what we want.
AQ1: But sir don't we hate Obama too?
AZ: Shut up, this is a Rush Limbaugh fantasy. It doesn't have to make sense. *goes into a song and dance routine that Gene Kelly would have envied*.

539 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:29:43am

re: #538 HappyWarrior

That's probably the most hilarious fail. I can just imagine Ayman al-Zawahiri and the other high ups not including OBL of AQ sitting around.
AZ: Guys we need to make Obama look good but how?
AQ1: Bake sale, sir?
AQ2: Renounce terrorism?
AZ: No, you idiots, we tell them where Osama is and then Obama will send the SEALs to get him. Osama will die and Obama will be heralded as a hero which is exactly what we want.
AQ1: But sir don't we hate Obama too?
AZ: Shut up, this is a Rush Limbaugh fantasy. It doesn't have to make sense. *goes into a song and dance routine that Gene Kelly would have envied*.

AQ3: You just want to get out the #2 AQ position since it keeps getting killed, don't you?

540 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:30:18am

re: #530 Sheila Brovlofski

Breathtaking Rush FAIL:

Al-Qaeda ‘Gave Up Osama Bin Laden’ To Make ‘Obama Look Good’

Rush is worried about Alex Jones muscling in on his turf. He's pushing back or, in corporate marketing terms, attempting to win back his market by matching his competitor's product.

541 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:31:29am

BBL

542 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:31:31am

re: #539 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

AQ3: You just want to get out the #2 AQ position since it keeps getting killed, don't you?

Haha. But seriously, this is probably the most ridiculous thing Rush has ever claimed. Yeah Al Queda let its founder and not to mention guy who funded them so a US president would look good. Really, I don't think even Alex Jones could suggest something so inane. Really, Republican leaders, why are you kissing this guy's ass? He's clearly deranged.

543 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:32:12am

re: #525 Sheila Brovlofski

These guys must really have IQ's in the negative numbers if they think any Jew, even (and maybe especially) a wingnut Jew, is going to listen to their Jesus spiel.

Well, there are those messianic jews. I've never understood, but they reconcile it in their minds.

544 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:33:57am

Too-wit too-who are you? New species of 'owl faced' monkey discovered - after its unique bright blue bottom was spotted


Read more: [Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
I think I know this guy.

545 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:34:45am

Rush during WWII: Admiral Donitz surrendered to make Truman look good! Sorry all, I can't stop laughing at that crazy bastard.

546 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:35:19am

'We can read Arabic too!' US embassy tells Egypt's Brotherhood

US calls out Muslim Brotherhood after group officials tweet one thing in English and another in Arabic regarding its stance on ongoing anti-film demonstrations

....

The Muslim Brotherhood's official English-language Twitter account @Ikwanweb reposted a message from the group's deputy head, Khairat El-Shater, saying he was "relieved none of @USembassycairo staff was hurt" and expressing his hope that US-Egypt relations could weather the events.

This reconciliatory tweet, however, was posted while the Brotherhood's Arabic-language Twitter account and its official website were both praising the protests -- staged against a US-made film judged defamatory towards Islam -- and calling for a million man march on Friday.

One Arabic language article on the Brotherhood's site sported the headline 'Egyptians rise to defend the Prophet'.

547 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:35:39am

re: #543 ggt

Well, there are those messianic jews. I've never understood, but they reconcile it in their minds.

Most of the "Messianic Jews" are not really Jews, they just say they are, but they have been totally outed as Christians raised in Christian families, maybe the product of an interfaith marriage where the child was raised by the Christian parent and the Jewish parent went along. They are NEVER practicing Jews who "found Jesus."

548 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:38:13am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

'We can read Arabic too!' US embassy tells Egypt's Brotherhood

...

Get ready, Friday is gonna suck.

549 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:38:56am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

'We can read Arabic too!' US embassy tells Egypt's Brotherhood

....

I suggest we stop payment on any checks we've sent and send them nothing more. Fuck these assholes.

550 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:40:12am
551 danarchy  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:40:21am

re: #527 NJDhockeyfan

Shocka!

Ron Paul One Of The Most Corrupt Members Of Congress, Report Finds

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I can hear lots of PaulBot heads exploding : )

Hehe.

Although, if double billing a few airline tickets is the most corrupt thing happening in congress I would be shocked.

552 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:40:52am

re: #528 Shiplord Kirel

Freeper explanation for the Iranian propaganda attack on Romney:

THE BIG LIE TO PROTECT MUSLIM OBAMA PRESIDENT SO HE CAN FINISH TAKING DOWN USA

Even if I were so far to the right I made Goldwater look like George McGovern, I would still not vote Republican this year, and probably never again. The party of Lincoln has devolved into a collection of drooling crackpots.

553 Coracle  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:40:58am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

Has Canada cut Egypt any checks recently?

554 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:41:20am

SPEAKING OF FAIL

Science.co.il is a collection of random links that has nothing to do with Science, is not affiliated with any Scientific institutions, is not run by Scientists, and has fuck all to do with anything Science-y.

It's like if I add "Trump" to my name, can I live rent-free in one of the Towers?

556 darthstar  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:42:05am

re: #555 Lidane

McCain: Obama Got It Right On Relationship With Egypt

Yes, but McCain's still pretending he doesn't know what Romney said about President Obama siding with terrorists against Americans.

557 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:42:21am
558 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:43:48am

re: #555 Lidane

McCain: Obama Got It Right On Relationship With Egypt

McCain STILL doesn't realize he is a rejected RINO fossil in the GOP. He needs to wake up and take the final step of a public break.

559 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:43:53am

re: #547 Sheila Brovlofski

Most of the "Messianic Jews" are not really Jews, they just say they are, but they have been totally outed as Christians raised in Christian families, maybe the product of an interfaith marriage where the child was raised by the Christian parent and the Jewish parent went along. They are NEVER practicing Jews who "found Jesus."

Yeah, the one I know married a christian woman. It's like they are trying to find common ground and keep one foot in each. Probably to satisfy one family or family member.

561 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:44:13am

re: #554 Sheila Brovlofski

SPEAKING OF FAIL

[Embedded content]

Science.co.il is a collection of random links that has nothing to do with Science, is not affiliated with any Scientific institutions, is not run by Scientists, and has fuck all to do with anything Science-y.

It's like if I add "Trump" to my name, can I live rent-free in one of the Towers?

This guy is another guy who is only where he is due to Daddy.

562 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:45:17am

re: #549 NJDhockeyfan

I suggest we stop payment on any checks we've sent and send them nothing more. Fuck these assholes.

Well, I think this explains Obama's comments yesterday about the government of Egypt not necessarily being an ally. The MB is going to have to make a choice. They can have an unstable and dangerous terrorist shit hole or a stable and secure society. Not Both. They learned pretty quickly that the Islamists in Gaza and Sinai are going to be a problem. Now they're going to have to learn they can't incite religious mob violence against embassies. Let's hope the learn their lesson soon.

563 Lidane  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:45:50am

ZOMG! He keeps apologizing to the terrorists!

Obama: ‘We Will Be Relentless In Pursuing Those Who Attacked Us’

564 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:45:55am

re: #557 ggt

Kilgore the Patio Toad

He's very regal looking. Quite handsome!

565 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:47:19am

re: #563 Lidane

Obama: ‘We Will Be Relentless In Pursuing Those Who Attacked Us’

There's ostrich egg on Mitt Romney's face. Really how could he be so stupid? Oh that's right. He wanted to look tough because his poor widdle feelings were hurt at the DNC and he thought accusing the president of sympathizing with anti American rioters was the thing to do.

566 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:49:00am

re: #564 Killgore Trout

He's very regal looking. Quite handsome!

GGT is pissed because she kissed it and it's STILL a toad!!
/

567 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:00:20am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

And a quadrifecta of bankruptcy reorganizations for corporate entities with his branded name. He's smart at getting other people to lose their money, which he insulates himself against that risk.


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