GOP: The Party of “Legitimate Rape”

“He may be a caveman, but he’s OUR caveman”
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You remember when Missouri Republican caveman Todd Akin made his weird and disgusting comments about “legitimate rape,” and all the GOP bigwigs fell all over themselves to condemn Akin and call for him to drop out of the Missouri Senate race?

“Oh, this is just terrible!” cried the bigwigs.

You remember how incredibly obvious it was that they were just doing it for show, because they thought it might hurt Mitt Romney’s chances of being elected?

Well, yeah, it was a clown show, all right, and they’re not finished beclowning themselves yet: NRSC Takes a Fresh Look at Todd Akin.

With the deadline passed for Todd Akin to drop out of the Missouri Senate race, the National Republican Senatorial Committee says it’s taking a fresh look at the contest.

“There is no question that for Missourians who believe we need to stop the reckless Washington spending, rein-in the role of government in people’s lives, and finally focus on growing jobs in this country that Todd Akin is a far more preferable candidate than liberal Senator Claire McCaskill,” NRSC Executive Director Rob Jesmer said in a statement.  “As with every Republican Senate candidate, we hope Todd Akin wins in November and we will continue to monitor this race closely in the days ahead.”

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GOP Lawmaker Who Called For Akin To Drop Out Now Supporting Him Newt Gingrich implores GOP leaders to back Todd Akin Rick Santorum, Jim DeMint Back Todd Akin in Missouri Senate

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539 comments
1 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:24:40pm

“There is no question that for Missourians who believe we need to stop the reckless Washington spending, rein-in the role of government in people’s lives, and finally focus on growing jobs in this country..."

Bwwwhahahahhahhaha

2 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:24:43pm

Spineless and shameless.

And they think their voters will put up with it. So far they don't mind being lied to, but it's gotta rankle after awhile, right?

3 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:25:37pm

It was pretty obvious from the beginning that the "outrage" was over the worry that they'd lose any chance at a Senate majority if Akins stayed in the race and lost. They couldn't care less what he said, what they cared about was he said it loud enough that others could hear it.

4 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:26:37pm

Well. Now that no one is looking!
-- NRSC

5 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:28:28pm

GOP Lawmaker Who Called For Akin To Drop Out Now Supporting Him

Sen. Roy Blunt (R-MO) released a statement Tuesday backing Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), a little less than a month after publicly calling for an end to his campaign after Akin’s “legitimate rape” debacle. Akin withstood the clamoring of many Republican lawmakers and fundraisers to stay in the race. But his party seems to be making their peace with him now that the official deadline for his withdrawal has passed. Blunt echoed Newt Gingrich, who exhorted Republicans to overlook Akin’s comments and support him because of a “moral obligation” to win a majority in the Senate.

Newt Gingrich implores GOP leaders to back Todd Akin

Republican leaders have a “moral obligation” to get fully behind Akin, Gingrich said. He warned it would be “historically irrational” to sit out a crucial race and that a “monied establishment” should not lecture Missouri voters about a nominee who fairly won his primary battle.

When Akin wins, Gingrich predicted, they would invite every “idiot naysayer” in Washington to the victory party.

“If Todd and the people of Missouri prove it’s a close race, what’s the moral case for not backing the Republican nominee picked by the people of Missouri who is in a close race with an incumbent liberal Democrat?” Gingrich told reporters and Akin supporters packed into a rustic train station. “How do they go back to their donors and say, ‘I don’t want to throw the Senate away’?”

6 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:30:23pm

So apparently the Republican Party doesn't have a mechanism to detect legitimately terrible candidates and shut this whole thing down.

7 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:32:27pm
finally focus on growing jobs in this country

"Which we'll do just as soon as we vote again to repeal the ACA and tell the Fed not to follow its mandate on full employment. Then, jobs, absolutely."

8 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:33:07pm

If this doesn't turn people off from the Republican party, nothing will.

9 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:33:46pm

Here is whats happening. They are afraid (with good reason) that Romney will lose this election. That leaves them with one option; concentrate on the senate races.

10 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:34:43pm

Sounds like the GOP has discovered it's too late to pull out so they might as well try lay back and make the best of it/.. if Todd Akin isn't a legitimate candidate then the body politic has ways of making sure nothing bad happens.

11 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:36:07pm

It's stories like this, and all the wingnuts that are now trying to excuse the behavior of Brown staffers by arguing that racist displays are okay if aimed at a Democrat, that continue to make me feel right in abandoning the GOP for the foreseeable future.

12 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:37:03pm

re: #9 blueraven

Here is whats happening. They are afraid (with good reason) that Romney will lose this election. That leaves them with one option; concentrate on the senate races.

You nailed it. I think the GOP will have to concentrate more on downticket races, especially the Senate.

Despite their claims that all the polls are "skewed", I'd love to see the GOP internal polls. They've gotta be praying that Romney doesn't totally blow it during the debates; one wrong word or smirk, and he's truly finished.

13 nines09  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:37:19pm

The only thing Akin did wrong was to speak out loud on camera what the majority of the GOP thinks and believes. A vote for a GOP dog catcher in Podunk is a vote for this cretin.

14 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:37:30pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

well if they just lay back and enjoy it then they aren't being legitimately raped are they?

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:39:48pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

You nailed it. I think the GOP will have to concentrate more on downticket races, especially the Senate.

Despite their claims that all the polls are "skewed", I'd love to see the GOP internal polls. They've gotta be praying that Romney doesn't totally blow it during the debates; one wrong word or smirk, and he's truly finished.

Yeah, I do love that, how we're supposed to accept the argument that the national/state polls are all "skewed" from folks who won't let us see what the polls "really" say. If the internal polls were such that the GOP felt confident in making such arguments, they'd be fools to hide them.

16 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:41:50pm

Makes this even more appropriate:

17 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:43:46pm

re: #13 Blue Point Crab

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

18 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:44:19pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

Then why are they now turning around and supporting this repellent slug?

19 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:45:50pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

And temporary.

20 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:45:54pm

re: #17 EdDantes

re: #18 Obdicut

It is the party line. Support our candidates. Rah Rah Rah ///

21 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:46:03pm

re: #18 Obdicut

well, to be fair, winning at all costs no matter how odious the candidate is part of their SOP.

22 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:46:05pm

Santorum, DeMint back Akin

23 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:46:16pm

re: #16 Interesting Times

Makes this even more appropriate:

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I sent her my measly ten bucks today.
They are really going to go after her now, as she is in a vulnerable state for a democrat.
Now that the republicans have decided Akin is not such a liability after all, McCaskill is going to get slammed.

24 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:47:06pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

I can't hear what you're saying for what you're doing. Akins - and numerous officials who say similar (though not as blunt) things keep getting re-elected.

If the majority of the party does not agree, the people saying these things will no longer be the official candidates after primaries.

25 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:47:08pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

And came with an expiration date.

26 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:47:18pm

Give it time. The GOP is going back towards the center. The moderates are coming back.

//

27 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:47:56pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

I'm assuming you left out your sarc tag.

28 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:48:53pm

re: #8 Iwouldprefernotto

If this doesn't turn people off from the Republican party, nothing will.

It won't. The Republican Party/right wing is at least focused like a laser beam on at least one thing: Getting Barack Obama out of the White House.

Now I'm not saying Akin is going to help that effort but I AM saying that there's a probably larger than we think contingent of voters who will be happy to vote for Romney on election day simply because they dislike Obama and no amount of "legitimate rape" or "47%" or other gaffes is going to change that.

29 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:49:12pm

re: #18 Obdicut

Then why are they now turning around and supporting this repellent slug?

they might believe that there are bigger issues involved than what some benighted senatorial candidate believes.I don't know. My point was that that was a very broad unsubstantiated statement.

30 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:50:13pm

re: #27 JamesWI

I'm assuming you left out your sarc tag.

No sarc tag necessary.

31 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:50:46pm

My surprise, let me show you it.

What GOP war on women?

32 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:50:48pm

re: #29 EdDantes

they might believe that there are bigger issues involved than what some benighted senatorial candidate believes.I don't know. My point was that that was a very broad unsubstantiated statement.

It's a might hard to accept that a majority of the party does not accept this when moves to throw party support behind Akin are met with silence from those who were previously calling for him to drop out.

33 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:51:33pm

re: #29 EdDantes

they might believe that there are bigger issues involved than what some benighted senatorial candidate believes.I don't know. My point was that that was a very broad unsubstantiated statement.

The GOP's vice presidential candidate co-sponsored a bill with Todd Akin that had almost identical "legitimate rape" language. Todd Akin's statement was poorly timed, but it was absolutely a statement of mainstream right wing opinion.

34 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:52:37pm

Roman Catholic Bishop: Democrats Endorse 'Intrinsic Evils' and Supporters put their 'Soul in Serious Jeopardy'

The Roman Catholic Bishop of Springfield, Illinois, is warning that the Democratic Party has endorsed “intrinsic evils” and consequently, voters who back Democratic candidates have put their eternal salvation at risk. In the Catholic Times, the official newspaper of the Springfield diocese, Bishop Thomas John Paprocki uses the manufactured controversy about mentioning “God” in the Democratic Platform to argue that the Democrats are hostile to faith, and went on to attack Democrats for endorsing gay rights and opposing the criminalization of abortion. He said those two planks demonstrate that the Democrats “explicitly endorse intrinsic evils,” while noting that he has “read the Republican Party Platform and there is nothing in it that supports or promotes an intrinsic evil or a serious sin.”

Paprocki concludes with a warning that while he is “not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against,” backing the Democratic Party may put your eternal salvation at risk: “a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.”

"I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you'll burn in eternal hellfire if you make the wrong choice."

No pressure.

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:53:13pm

It's gonna be really hard for me not to refer to Romney and Ryan from this point on as "Stench and Gilligan." But I'll make that effort, because I care.

36 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:53:13pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Indeed; it their (the GOP) internal polls were so great, and could prove their assertion that the polls are "skewed" by the

"librul lamestream media"

they'd be trumpeting them to the high heavens on every broadcast network 24/7.

The fact that they're not tells me their internal polls may very well be tracking within a few points of what other polling groups are reporting. And that potentially means big trouble for the GOP come Election Day.

37 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:53:59pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

The GOP's vice presidential candidate co-sponsored a bill with Todd Akin that had almost identical "legitimate rape" language. Todd Akin's statement was poorly timed, but it was absolutely a statement of mainstream right wing opinion.

That women have a way of preventing pregnancy due to rape?

38 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:54:33pm

Seriously, it's hard to accept that a majority of the GOP meant their denunciations of Akin when those denunciations lasted right up til the initial deadline for him to drop out passed, then just as suddenly went silent.

39 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:54:49pm

gilligan

i thot we had reserved this for bobby jindal!!

40 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:54:55pm

re: #29 EdDantes

they might believe that there are bigger issues involved than what some benighted senatorial candidate believes.I don't know. My point was that that was a very broad unsubstantiated statement.

The only reason they denounced it in the first place was because they figured (correctly) that it would hurt their chances, not only in the Presidency, but in all the Congressional races.

Now that they see Romney has pretty much no chance, and former "toss-ups" in the Senate are going Democrat, they realize they no longer need to worry about Akin hurting them, and they're scrambling to get any seats they can.

The fact that you actually take their previous denouncements seriously after they've been reversed in less than a month is astonishing.

41 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:55:06pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this.

Read the national party platform sometime. Read the state GOP platforms, and every piece of GOP legislation regarding rape laws and abortion that they've either proposed or passed in the last years.

YES, this is what they believe. They buy into this "forcible rape" and "legitimate rape" garbage full stop. That rhetoric has been part of the so-called "pro-life" movement for decades. It's not new. Akin just said it out loud.

42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:55:27pm

re: #34 Kragar

can we start seriously looking into revoking their tax exempt status now?

43 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:56:06pm

re: #37 EdDantes

That women have a way of preventing pregnancy due to rape?

How Todd Akin and Paul Ryan Partnered to Redefine Rape

44 gwangung  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:56:30pm

re: #29 EdDantes

they might believe that there are bigger issues involved than what some benighted senatorial candidate believes.I don't know. My point was that that was a very broad unsubstantiated statement.

No, it isn't. It is quite WELL established and substantiated.

45 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:56:33pm

re: #34 Kragar

Roman Catholic Bishop: Democrats Endorse 'Intrinsic Evils' and Supporters put their 'Soul in Serious Jeopardy'

"I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you'll burn in eternal hellfire if you make the wrong choice."

No pressure.

I'm getting closer to considering the contemporary Catholic Church an "intrinsic evil."

46 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:56:36pm

re: #42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

can we start seriously looking into revoking their tax exempt status now?

But he said he wasn't telling anyone how to vote!
///

47 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:57:30pm

August 19th:
Republican bigwigs: "EEeww! Akin's comments are disgusting! Throw him under the bus!"
September 26th: "Ooh! Look what we found by the side of the road. Let's hose him off and see what he can do!"

48 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:58:13pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

August 19th:
Republican bigwigs: "EEeww! Akin's comments are disgusting! Throw him under the bus!"
September 26th: "Ooh! Look what we found by the side of the road. Let's hose him off and see what he can do!"

But really, you should only take that first one seriously!

/EdDantes'd

49 Jolo5309  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:58:43pm

re: #45 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

I'm getting closer to considering the contemporary Catholic Church an "intrinsic evil."

I can't see how people view it as "intrinsically good".

50 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 12:58:44pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

Sure, back when they thought they were going to gain control of the Senate no matter what.
Funny how the possibility of losing seats corresponds with the loss of any semblance of integrity from the NRSC.

51 garhighway  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:00:19pm

Has anyone seen any polling on this race?

52 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:00:46pm
53 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:01:10pm

re: #45 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

I'm getting closer to considering the contemporary Catholic Church an "intrinsic evil."

Bishop Thomas Paprocki: Holy Warrior

Plenty of pucks have hit Paprocki since his arrival in Springfield 18 months ago. He doesn’t shy from strong statements, which has earned him critics who call him divisive, arrogant, inflammatory – and worse.

The final straw for Maryam Moustoufi came last Christmas Eve. During midnight mass, Paprocki ripped airport security personnel for not profiling Arabs and warned that Muslims could impose Islamist values in the United States if they keep moving here until they reach a majority. He also gave a history lesson about a failed invasion of Europe by Muslim soldiers.

“The commander of the defeated Ottoman army, Kara Mustafa Pasha, was executed in Belgrade on Dec. 25, 1683,” Paprocki preached. “Merry Christmas!”

...

In 2007, Paprocki told a group of judges and lawyers in Michigan that monetary awards to victims of sexual abuse by priests were excessive and that the legal system needed reform.

“Today in North America and elsewhere, the law is being used to undermine the charitable works and the religious freedom of the Church,” Paprocki said four years ago. “This attack is particularly directed against bishops and priests, since the most effective way to scatter the flock is to attack the shepherd. We must also use our religious discernment to recognize that the principal force behind these attacks is none other than the devil.”

54 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:01:32pm

re: #51 garhighway

Has anyone seen any polling on this race?

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

55 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:01:36pm

OT In Google Chrome my little wrench has been replaced with three horizontal bars. I can still clean up my history but what happened to the little wrench.

56 garhighway  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:02:05pm

re: #51 garhighway

Answered my own question: RCP has The Dem up 5. But that's before the big media spends kick in.

57 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:02:08pm

re: #37 EdDantes

That women have a way of preventing pregnancy due to rape?

Here you go:

[Link: www.christianliferesources.com...]

Check the date. That's from 1999. It's been making the rounds in the "pro-life" movement for years. The author of that piece is not only Akin's source for his legitimate rape garbage, but he's endorsed Romney too.

58 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:02:24pm

re: #37 EdDantes

I understand that this isn't your opinion, and good for you. But maybe you should take a look at the rest of your team, because an uncomfortably large number of Republicans see nothing wrong at all with what Todd Akin said. And that includes top politicians, right up to the vice presidential candidate.

59 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:04:37pm

re: #51 garhighway

Has anyone seen any polling on this race?

TPM Poll average has it within 1%. But the polls are all over the place.

A poll sponsored by Citizens United (yes, that Citizens United) has Akin up 5. Rasmussen has McCaskill up 6. PPP had McCaskill only up 1 (a month ago).

Really, I don't think we have any clue what's going to happen. But if Rasmussen says the Dem is up 6, I have to think that means Akin's not going to win.

60 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:05:35pm

re: #53 Kragar

During midnight mass, Paprocki ripped airport security personnel for not profiling Arabs and warned that Muslims could impose Islamist values in the United States if they keep moving here until they reach a majority.

WTF? Maybe in 500 years if only Muslims move here and everyone else stops breeding.

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:07:32pm

re: #59 JamesWI

TPM Poll average has it within 1%. But the polls are all over the place.

A poll sponsored by Citizens United (yes, that Citizens United) has Akin up 5. Rasmussen has McCaskill up 6. PPP had McCaskill only up 1 (a month ago).

Really, I don't think we have any clue what's going to happen. But if Rasmussen says the Dem is up 6, I have to think that means Akin's not going to win.

I figure that Akin must still be seen as competitive if the NRSC is risking giving him support again. If he was truly a goner, they probably would continue to enforce the freeze-out.

62 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:09:00pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

WTF? Maybe in 500 years if only Muslims move here and everyone else stops breeding.

Guy seems like a real scumball.

63 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

I figure that Akin must still be seen as competitive if the NRSC is risking giving him support again. If he was truly a goner, they probably would continue to enforce the freeze-out.

64 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:09:49pm

re: #34 Kragar

It's gonna get better:
[Link: www.addictinginfo.org...]

They're planning on taking this to the Supreme Court.

65 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:11:03pm

I'm really getting tired of the nastiness.

Politics should NOT BE an all out war of "good vs. evil" with the only acceptable outcome being that one side must gain victory at all costs.

However it seems some on the right wing, since they vilify liberals and Democrats, would apparently like nothing more than to see a 100% Republican House, 100% Republican Senate, 100% Republican Supreme Court and a GOP President.

Such a scenario would of course give the GOP COMPLETE and total control over America. A virtual dictatorship if you will.

And yet they rail against Obama and the Democrats for allegedly wanting to do the exact same thing, albeit for the "other side".

The idea of having two different political ideologies is NOT so that we can have a virtual fight to the death to determine which ideology is ultimately the right one. It's so we can bring together different viewpoints and beliefs, then meet somewhere in the middle on a compromise that everyone (or at least mostly everyone) can agree on.

66 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:11:53pm

re: #17 EdDantes

No, the majority of the GOP does not believe or think this. That is why conservative denunciations were swift and unequivocal.

Then why is Blount, among other GOP muckety-mucks, walking back what they said about Akin now, if what Akin said was wrong (and it was wrong)?

67 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:12:41pm

Our full Connecticut poll finds Chris Murphy leading Linda McMahon 48-42.

Sounds like Linda needs the help of a ref bump right about now.

(wrestling joke)

68 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:12:59pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Thank you for understanding my point. To summarize:

1. I don't believe that GOP'ers believe that women have a natural defense against conception through rape.

2. "legitimate" rape is an oxymoron.

3. I don't know why Akin would now be supported by conservatives other than the expectation of gaining a senate seat. In which case I would call that a Pyrrhic victory.

69 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:13:26pm

re: #34 Kragar

Roman Catholic Bishop: Democrats Endorse 'Intrinsic Evils' and Supporters put their 'Soul in Serious Jeopardy'

"I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you'll burn in eternal hellfire if you make the wrong choice."

No pressure.

I have already voted for Obama I guess there is no hope for me I will just have to accept the fact I will burn in hell, damn I hate that.

70 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:13:54pm

re: #68 EdDantes

The worst part of Akin's views aren't that, though, they're the desire to criminalize all abortion-- and that is a central GOP party plank.

71 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:15:21pm

re: #42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

can we start seriously looking into revoking their tax exempt status now?

The Catholic Church? Not a chance in Hell.

72 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:15:23pm

I just love looking at the InTrade graphs of Obama and Romney.

I know they're not really going to change day to day, but it still cheers me up to see Romney's numbers drop off the cliff right after the conventions and his Sept 11 remarks.

73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:15:40pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

I'm really getting tired of the nastiness.

Politics should NOT BE an all out war of "good vs. evil" with the only acceptable outcome being that one side must gain victory at all costs.

However it seems some on the right wing, since they vilify liberals and Democrats, would apparently like nothing more than to see a 100% Republican House, 100% Republican Senate, 100% Republican Supreme Court and a GOP President.

Such a scenario would of course give the GOP COMPLETE and total control over America. A virtual dictatorship if you will.

And yet they rail against Obama and the Democrats for allegedly wanting to do the exact same thing, albeit for the "other side".

The idea of having two different political ideologies is NOT so that we can have a virtual fight to the death to determine which ideology is ultimately the right one. It's so we can bring together different viewpoints and beliefs, then meet somewhere in the middle on a compromise that everyone (or at least mostly everyone) can agree on.

Politics is generally not about absolutes. But once you heavily contaminate it with religion - which often *is* about absolutes you start getting political statements like these.

74 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:15:53pm

re: #60 Shiplord Kirel

This is where the stupidity of the RWNJ's really comes into play.

I'm a Muslim. I'm a big, shaved-headed 6' 2" American guy (Swedish/German extraction), ok, I have a goatee and mustache, but you'd never in a million years figure me for a "Muslim" by just looking at me.

Oh yes, I have blue eyes as well, and I often pepper my speech with Yiddish expressions: thanks, Mel Brooks.

So how are these f***ing rocket scientists going to be able to spot me as a Muslim? I'd really like to know.

75 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #71 aagcobb

The Catholic Church? Not a chance in Hell.

The property taxes alone would probably cut the national debt by half. Or more.

76 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:17:51pm

re: #75 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

The property taxes alone would probably cut the national debt by half. Or more.

Worked for Henry VIII.

77 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:18:47pm

re: #63 Interesting Times

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The Senate majority they thought was going to be theirs is slipping away from them, so they can't afford to concede any race in which they have a chance.

78 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:19:24pm

re: #68 EdDantes

Thank you for understanding my point. To summarize:

1. I don't believe that GOP'ers believe that women have a natural defense against conception through rape.

2. "legitimate" rape is an oxymoron.

3. I don't know why Akin would now be supported by conservatives other than the expectation of gaining a senate seat. In which case I would call that a Pyrrhic victory.

Even the governor of New Mexico, a former district attorney known for prosecuting sex crimes with intensity, has allowed the term "legitimate rape" to creep into documents that come from her office. Because she's a Republican and that's the line they take. Supporting any Republican supports that bullshit.

79 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:19:25pm

Speaking of stupid GOP philosophies, here's why those who argue in "environment OR economy" terms are dangerous fucking idiots:

80 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:19:46pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Sounds like the GOP has discovered it's too late to pull out inevitable so they might as well try lay back and make the best of enjoy it

Another immortal classic from the Texas GOP wingnut Clayton Williams.

81 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:21:16pm

re: #73 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Politics is generally not about absolutes. But once you heavily contaminate it with religion - which often *is* about absolutes you start getting political statements like these.

Which I understand. But you see me, I'm a Christian. I don't expect anyone to go out of their way to accommodate me nor do I desire to force my beliefs upon others (NOTE: I consider there to be a difference between evangelizing and forced conversion).

But as far as I'm concerned, the Jewish guy next door, the Muslim guy down the street and the Buddhist around the corner should all be free to practice and follow their own beliefs without interference from me or anyone else.

I may not agree with some of what these people believe but I understand and respect that they have a right to believe it. After all, I treat people the way I want to be treated, just like the Bible says:

Luke 6:31

Do to others as you would have them do to you

82 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:22:02pm

re: #22 Kragar

Santorum, DeMint back Akin

Now there's a pair. Frothy and the Rebel. Sounds like a cancelled tv show from 1978.

83 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:22:04pm

re: #69 Tigger2

I have already voted for Obama I guess there is no hope for me I will just have to accept the fact I will burn in hell, damn I hate that.

You'll be in good company.

84 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:22:53pm

re: #75 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

The property taxes alone would probably cut the national debt by half. Or more.

I agree, but its politically impossible.

85 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:23:08pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

It's gonna be really hard for me not to refer to Romney and Ryan from this point on as "Stench and Gilligan." But I'll make that effort, because I care.

Hey, that's a pretty big slight on Bob Denver, RIP...

///

86 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:23:49pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

OT In Google Chrome my little wrench has been replaced with three horizontal bars. I can still clean up my history but what happened to the little wrench.

Wrenched away!

87 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:24:10pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

It's gonna be really hard for me not to refer to Romney and Ryan from this point on as "Stench and Gilligan." But I'll make that effort, because I care.

The Prince of Stench?

Youtube Video
88 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:24:15pm

re: #68 EdDantes

Thank you for understanding my point. To summarize:

1. I don't believe that GOP'ers believe that women have a natural defense against conception through rape.

2. "legitimate" rape is an oxymoron.

3. I don't know why Akin would now be supported by conservatives other than the expectation of gaining a senate seat. In which case I would call that a Pyrrhic victory.

1. was always a diversion. Physicians for Life, the org that Akin got his information from, posited that the physical trauma from a "real" violent rape would tend to cause a miscarriage.

2. Yet it is exactly what the GOP has tried to legislate, the idea that it's not rape unless there's actual documented violence involved. Not the threat of violence, not overwhelming physical intimidation, not the display of a weapon nor statutory rape, but only actual violence leaving physical trauma.

3. Conservatives are supporting Akin because he's what the modern national GOP has become, an atavistic throwback diametrically opposed to abortion in any conceivable circumstance.

89 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:24:24pm

re: #86 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

lol

90 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:24:53pm

re: #55 PhillyPretzel

OT In Google Chrome my little wrench has been replaced with three horizontal bars. I can still clean up my history but what happened to the little wrench.

Have you asked wrenchwrenchwrench?

91 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:25:06pm

Archbishop of Omaha instructs pastors to fight against anti-discrimination laws

"Dear Father,
You will soon learn from the local media about an effort that is underway to repeal the City of Omaha’s sexual orientation anti-discrimination ordinance. The sponsor of this initiative – the Heritage Coalition – must collect 12,000 signatures from October to November to place the ordinance on the spring (2013) mayoral ballot. The sponsor believes that if given the opportunity, Omahans will vote to repeal this ordinance.

Representatives of the Heritage Coalition may try to solicit your support. As pastor of your parish, you are free to exercise your discretion in determining if and how you want to involve yourself or your parishioners in this effort which addresses an important moral issue. Examples of your involvement may include speaking about the issue in your parish, giving petitioners access to your parish events, scheduling information nights at your parish to discuss the issue, providing informational handouts to your parishioners, etc. If you and your parishioners choose to participate in this petition drive, I ask that there be no undue disruption of parish liturgies, nor distraction from the important moral issues at stake in national and state elections this fall.

You can contact Deacon Tim McNeil if you have questions about this ballot initiative. In the meantime, thank you for the care you provide the souls entrusted to you.

Sincerely yours in Christ,

Archbishop George Lucas"

92 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:25:51pm

re: #90 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

lol

93 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:27:05pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

Interesting.

94 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:27:24pm

re: #91 Kragar

Archbishop of Omaha instructs pastors to fight against anti-discrimination laws

Because its morally important to fire people because of who they love./

95 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:27:27pm

re: #91 Kragar

"Sincerely in Christ."

I am not going to use the language in here that I am currently using in front of the monitor at home.

96 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:29:01pm

re: #93 EdDantes

Interesting.

And utterly refuting.

97 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:30:40pm

re: #95 celticdragon

"Sincerely in Christ."

I am not going to use the language in here that I am currently using in front of the monitor at home.

I swear, sometimes I want Christianity to be true just so I can watch what Christ says to these people when he returns and finds out what they've been up to in his name.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

98 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:33:02pm

re: #95 celticdragon

I'll just say,May They Endure the Misery They Wish to Inflict Upon Others. Fuckers.

99 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:33:10pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

And utterly refuting.

Indeed. Color me devastated

100 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:35:33pm

re: #9 blueraven

Here is whats happening. They are afraid (with good reason) that Romney will lose this election. That leaves them with one option; concentrate on the senate races.

They have to embrace Akin to get the base to show up for downticket races around the country, but I think it could disgust a whole lot more folks and convince them to show up to vote anti-GOP. Bizarre decision, IMHO.

101 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:36:14pm

re: #99 EdDantes

Indeed. Color me devastated

Do you get that criminilization of abortion is a GOP party plank, and that Romney said he'd be 'delighted' to sign a bill banning all abortion?

102 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:38:40pm

re: #67 dragonfire1981

Our full Connecticut poll finds Chris Murphy leading Linda McMahon 48-42.

Sounds like Linda needs the help of a ref bump right about now.

(wrestling joke)

If this keeps up, all of the ladders and folding chairs one can muster won't be able to save McMahon's campaign.

103 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:39:59pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Do you get that criminilization of abortion is a GOP party plank, and that Romney said he'd be 'delighted' to sign a bill banning all abortion?

No, but direct me to the relevant portion of the platform and I will comment on it.

104 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:40:20pm

re: #102 Gert Fröbe

If this keeps up, all of the ladders and folding chairs one can muster won't be able to save McMahon's campaign.

And her husband can't appear as the hidden (and hooded) mastermind behind the opposition party.

105 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:40:21pm

re: #100 funky chicken

They have to embrace Akin to get the base to show up for downticket races around the country, but I think it could disgust a whole lot more folks and convince them to show up to vote anti-GOP. Bizarre decision, IMHO.

You play the hand you're dealt.

106 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:40:58pm

re: #101 Obdicut

Do you get that criminilization of abortion is a GOP party plank, and that Romney said he'd be 'delighted' to sign a bill banning all abortion?

And that the whole ruse of "her body has a way to shut that down" is an attempt to say that the effect of forcing women to carry a rapist's baby to term wouldn't be so bad?

107 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:41:05pm

re: #69 Tigger2

I have already voted for Obama I guess there is no hope for me I will just have to accept the fact I will burn in hell, damn I hate that.

Hey, at least you'll not have to spend eternity with Todd Akin.

108 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:41:28pm

re: #103 EdDantes

No, but direct me to the relevant portion of the platform and I will comment on it.

It's there. Look it up yourself. Avoiding it is irresponsible.

109 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:43:08pm

Stanley goes to space.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

110 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:43:31pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

Not supporting your position with a link is irresponsible. It's an old LGF tradition.

111 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:44:09pm

re: #103 EdDantes

No, but direct me to the relevant portion of the platform and I will comment on it.

The convention was over two weeks ago. If you don't know what's in the platform by now, then I can only guess it's due to willful ignorance.

112 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:46:25pm

re: #103 EdDantes

No, but direct me to the relevant portion of the platform and I will comment on it.

[Link: bobcesca.com...]

There ya go.

113 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:47:51pm

re: #110 EdDantes

Not supporting your position with a link is irresponsible. It's an old LGF tradition.

Fuck you.

114 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:49:11pm

re: #110 EdDantes

Not supporting your position with a link is irresponsible. It's an old LGF tradition.

The whole thing (.pdf)

115 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:49:31pm

re: #105 blueraven

You play the hand you're dealt.

In this case I'd say they chose the cards themselves. What they didn't expect was that Akin would so clearly tip the hand.

116 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:49:49pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

The whole thing (.pdf)

Was just fixing to post that.

117 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:49:58pm

Oh lords, GMO nutters have invaded my facebooks again.

Nothing better than the good old Wednesday Afternoon Purge.

118 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:50:26pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Fuck you.

Also see RNC 2012 - The Road to Jeb Bush 2016 - Abortion Law & The Republican Platform

119 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:51:29pm

Full GOP platform statement on abortion

Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.
(continues at link)

120 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:51:36pm

re: #116 Gert Fröbe

Was just fixing to post that.

Allow me.

121 gwangung  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:51:54pm

re: #110 EdDantes

Not supporting your position with a link is irresponsible. It's an old LGF tradition.

This actually applies to YOU, sir. You claimed that Akin is not representative of Republican thought. You need to support that, which you have utterly failed to do.

Posters have cited several counter examples, which you have purposely disdained. The move is now up to you to support your position.

122 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:52:42pm

re: #103 EdDantes

No, but direct me to the relevant portion of the platform and I will comment on it.

I see plenty of people have linked to it. Here is Romney saying that he'd be delighted to ban all abortion.

[Link: www.rhrealitycheck.org...]

123 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:52:46pm

bbl

124 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:53:17pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Fuck you.

Thank you for your inclusive open-minded response. I apologize for my boorish behavior.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:53:56pm

I think my fellow lizards who've posted links to the platform might have been better off refusing to do so. While it's true than an LGF tradition is to provide links to support ones assertions, it's a two-way street. When you defend an assertion, you're obligated to back it up. Demanding the other side do the work for you is intellectually lazy, as well as insulting.

126 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:54:09pm

Since Romney has no problem taking Obama out of context, every chance he can.....I have no problem posting this picture:

Image: the-crap-we-missed-0926-18-580x435.jpg

And saying Romney is clearly a neo-Nazi.

127 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:55:11pm

[Link: www.gop.com...]

If you want a link to a page that includes the section pasted in an earlier comment.

128 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:55:14pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

I think my fellow lizards who've posted links to the platform might have been better off refusing to do so. While it's true than an LGF tradition is to provide links to support ones assertions, it's a two-way street. When you defend an assertion, you're obligated to back it up. Demanding the other side do the work for you is intellectually lazy, as well as insulting.

Exactly.

129 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:56:17pm

re: #124 EdDantes

Thank you for your inclusive open-minded response. I apologize for my boorish behavior.

And now are you going to comment on it?

130 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:56:48pm

re: #124 EdDantes

Thank you for your inclusive open-minded response. I apologize for my boorish behavior.

Would you mind acknowledging the many links that have showed you that the GOP's position on abortion is criminalization? And in case this is all just somehow new to you, a personhood amendment with 14th amendment protections for the unborn would effectively criminalize all abortion.

131 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:57:00pm

re: #110 EdDantes

Not supporting your position with a link is irresponsible. It's an old LGF tradition.

So is doing your own research to back up your position. Asking others to do it for you is lazy at best.

132 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:58:19pm

re: #119 jaunte

True story -- I went to go and read through the GOP platform and Windows decided it was time to crash and restart my laptop.

Even my computer didn't want to deal with the fail that is the Republican party.

133 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:58:22pm
134 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:58:35pm

re: #130 Obdicut

Ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages would also have to be investigated to determine whether they were "legitimate."

135 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 1:59:56pm

re: #134 jaunte

Ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages would also have to be investigated to determine whether they were "legitimate."

And the death rate would increase by 20-50%. And a whole host of other ridiculous things.

136 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:00:19pm

re: #131 Bubblehead II

So is doing your own research to back up your position. Asking others to do it for you is lazy at best.

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

137 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:00:36pm

re: #134 jaunte

Ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages would also have to be investigated to determine whether they were "legitimate."

Every period gets crime scene tape until the investigation is complete.

138 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:01:16pm

re: #136 EdDantes

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

Meanwhile, you still have provided no support for your position.

139 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:01:39pm

re: #136 EdDantes

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

Bullshit.

140 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:01:44pm

re: #136 EdDantes

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

Actually, no, you expressed your ignorance about the GOP party plank on abortion, as well as Mitt Romney's position on it.

It's not my 'position' that that's the GOP party plank, that's simply reality.

141 gwangung  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:02:11pm

re: #136 EdDantes

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

And that's all you did.

You did not, as I've noted, do any work to support your own position.

You can do so now.

142 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:02:22pm

HUZZAH!!! My extensively indexed and crossreferenced porn collection allowed me to come up with a brand new security indexing system at work.

143 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:03:02pm

re: #142 Kragar

HUZZAH!!! My extensively indexed and crossreferenced porn collection allowed me to come up with a brand new security indexing system at work.

...

Who says porn serves no constructive purpose?

/

144 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:03:14pm

re: #142 Kragar

I hear that Leibniz worked in much the same manner.

145 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:04:48pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

I regret having only one upding to give!

146 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:04:48pm

re: #136 EdDantes

I merely asked for a link to support the position of someone else.

No, you were asking the Lizards to do your work for you. How hard is it to Google GOP 2012 Abortion Plank? Not very fucking hard at all.

147 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:05:43pm

re: #119 jaunte

Full GOP platform statement on abortion

i would have to imagine, though, that while they would support spending money on enforcing that every pregnancy is carried to term, they would, in the classic gop manner, shrink in horror from the notion that the woman should otherwise be assisted financially in the case that the pregnancy presented a difficult economic challenge to her

148 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:06:54pm

re: #134 jaunte

Ectopic pregnancies and other miscarriages would also have to be investigated to determine whether they were "legitimate."

Small government! Healthcare dollars spent right!

/

149 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:07:44pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

You nailed it. I think the GOP will have to concentrate more on downticket races, especially the Senate.

Despite their claims that all the polls are "skewed", I'd love to see the GOP internal polls. They've gotta be praying that Romney doesn't totally blow it during the debates; one wrong word or smirk, and he's truly finished.

Newt Gingrich is right about what Mitt needs to do in the first debate, but I'm not sure Romney can pull it off:

He said Romney needs to offer specifics about his own vision for the country, and can't back down when Obama launches a counter-attack.

"Gov. Romney has the challenge in the very first debate to communicate precisely what he's going to do," Gingrich said. "I think he's got to draw a sharp contrast between a Romney recovery and Obama stagnation -- he's got to say, with all due respect, Mr. President, this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression. ... He's got to say it in a way that's direct and clear, and when the president counter-attacks he can't flinch."

150 EdDantes  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:09:42pm

re: #146 Bubblehead II

Is this it?

THE SANCTITY AND DIGNITY OF HUMAN LIFEFaithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life. We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

151 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:10:32pm

re: #147 engineer cat

i would have to imagine, though, that while they would support spending money on enforcing that every pregnancy is carried to term, they would, in the classic gop manner, shrink in horror from the notion that the woman should otherwise be assisted financially in the case that the pregnancy presented a difficult economic challenge to her

They also say

We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children

but if the kid is already born and his or her parents are undocumented at the time, they don't want 14th Amendment rights to apply.

152 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:11:06pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

The problem is Mitt has so many specific visions, and they change every few days depending on the audience.

153 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:11:22pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Newt Gingrich is right about what Mitt needs to do in the first debate, but I'm not sure Romney can pull it off:

Seriously, the presidential debates are a piss-poor time to start coming clean with the electorate. If by now folks don't know what he intends to do, then he's failed at making a case for his presidency.

154 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:11:38pm

re: #150 EdDantes

Yes. The 14th amendment applying to unborn children would mean criminalization of abortion except in the rarest of cases-- when the fetus had zero chance of survival.

155 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:11:40pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

They also say

but if the kid is already born and his or her parents are undocumented at the time, they don't want 14th Amendment rights to apply.

Oh, what a tangled wed we weave, when first we practice to deceive.

156 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:11:54pm

re: #148 funky chicken

Small government; small enough to fit in your pants.

157 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:12:40pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

He said Romney needs to offer specifics about his own vision for the country

Gee. You mean a candidate for POTUS actually has to run FOR something instead of just AGAINST the other guy? Who knew?!

That was what the RNC was supposed to be for. The GOP ticket were supposed to lay out a specific vision for the country moving forward, and lay out exactly what they would do if they were elected. They didn't.

158 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:12:46pm

re: #156 jaunte

Small government; small enough to fit in your pants.

Her. Her pants.

Ain't nobody lookin' to criminalize condoms.

160 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:14:02pm

re: #150 EdDantes

That's part of it. Now look up the criminalization part. If you are going to support these People, at least educate yourself on where they stand.

161 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:16:36pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Newt Gingrich is right about what Mitt needs to do in the first debate, but I'm not sure Romney can pull it off:

Pull it off? He avoids doing that like the plague.

162 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #160 Bubblehead II

That's part of it. Now look up the criminalization part. If you are going to support these People, at least educate yourself on where they stand.

That actually implies criminilzation. 14th amendment rights being given to the unborn means that they couldn't be 'killed' without it being unlawful.

163 calochortus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:17:12pm

re: #150 EdDantes

Ya know, between the time several people gave you links, or just straight up copied out the relevant parts of the GOP platform, and my returning to my computer having made myself a cup of coffee and fed my sourdough starter in the interim, all you have managed is to copy the relevant part yourself and ask if that was 'it'.

You are beginning to bore me.

164 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:17:22pm

re: #74 Dr Lizardo

So how are these f***ing rocket scientists going to be able to spot me as a Muslim? I'd really like to know.

...borrow a Thetan tester from the Scientologists maybe? *shrug*

165 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:17:54pm

re: #152 Kragar

The problem is Mitt has so many specific visions, and they change every few days depending on the audience.

Newt's making the point that he can't do that. That chameleon routine often works with sales and convincing people to invest money (I've pretended to be someone I'm not personality-wise when selling a good number of times), but it does not work in a political campaign.

But since I mentioned "chameleon":

Youtube Video
166 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:18:46pm

re: #161 makeitstop

Pull it off? He avoids doing that like the plague.

And if he does that in the debate, then he'll doom himself.

167 allegro  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:19:27pm

re: #157 Lidane

Gee. You mean a candidate for POTUS actually has to run FOR something instead of just AGAINST the other guy? Who knew?!

That was what the RNC was supposed to be for. The GOP ticket were supposed to lay out a specific vision for the country moving forward, and lay out exactly what they would do if they were elected. They didn't.

Actually, I think they have done this very well, that's what's driving voters away more and more every day. They are seeing exactly what they'd be getting with this out-of-touch, sociopathic package and they don't like it.

That this was not the intended message is another issue altogether.

168 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:20:18pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

And if he does that in the debate, then he'll doom himself.

You're right. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he actually tried it.

I predict that 'We don't know what Congress is going to look like' word salad will be used.

169 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:20:31pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Newt's making the point that he can't do that. That chameleon routine often works with sales and convincing people to invest money (I've pretended to be someone I'm not personality-wise when selling a good number of times), but it does not work in a political campaign.

But since I mentioned "chameleon":

[Embedded content]

Indeed, Willard has coasted this far by being as vague as possible. Part of what's kept him afloat is never nailing his positions down, never doing more than making vague promises that any candidate can do. If he starts offering real ideas/policies, his goose is cooked.

170 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:20:52pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

From a purely strategic point of view, I agree with Gingrich. It's actually sound advice. Even though I might disagree with Mr. Gingrich on many issues, he's a canny and capable politician. I think of him as the GOP's answer to LBJ in some ways, another canny and capable politician

Like you said, I don't think Romney can pull it off.

171 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:20:58pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Newt Gingrich is right about what Mitt needs to do in the first debate, but I'm not sure Romney can pull it off:

"Gov. Romney has the challenge in the very first debate to communicate precisely what he's going to do," Gingrich said.

The problem is, Romney has gone to considerable lengths to specifically AVOID communicating precisely what he's going to do. The 60 Minutes interview was painful to watch. The interviewer kept on asking for the details of Mitt's tax plan, and Mitt continually tried to change the subject. At one point, the interviewer said "The devil's in the details" to which Romney painfully responded with something like "Well, the devil may be in the details....but.....the angels.....are in the policy!"

172 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:21:05pm

6 Conservatives Who Think The Media Is Fixing The Polls For Obama

With six weeks until Election Day, new polling from Quinnipiac, the New York Times and CBS News shows President Obama leading in crucial swing states including Ohio, Florida and Iowa. As Obama’s lead grows, so does the number of conservatives who claim polls in general are biased and cannot be trusted. Similar to their dismissal of fact-checkers who flagged lies in Romney’s ads and Paul Ryan’s convention speech, conservatives are now claiming the media outlets that conduct the polls are attempting to discourage Republicans from voting by falsely tipping the polls toward Democrats.

Helping this narrative along is a new website, Unskewed Polls, which claims, after liberal media bias is removed, Romney is in fact beating Obama by a wide margin in every poll. Business Insider unpacked how the website is manipulating data to come up with a Romney victory.

Nicknamed “poll sample truthers” by Dave Weigel, the skeptics are falling over each other to explain how the numbers are lying:

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:21:37pm

re: #172 Kragar

6 Conservatives Who Think The Media Is Fixing The Polls For Obama

Thought that was an article from Cracked there for a sec.

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:21:40pm

re: #159 Kragar

Fischer on Whether Obama is a Forerunner to the Antichrist: 'It's Too Early To Say'

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What a numb-nuts.

175 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:21:52pm

From the PDF of the 2012 GOP platform; compare this:

Ensuring Consumer Choice in Healthcare
Consumer choice is the most powerful factor in healthcare reform. Today’s highly mobile work force requires portability of insurance coverage that can go with them from job to job. The need to maintain coverage should not dictate where families have to live
and work. Putting the patient at the center of policy decisions will increase choice and reduce costs while ensuring that services provide what Americans actually want. We must end tax discrimination against the individual purchase of insurance and allow consumers to purchase insurance across State lines. While promoting “co-insurance” products and alternatives to “fee for service,” government must promote Health Savings Accounts and Health Reimbursement Accounts to be used for insurance premiums and should encourage the private sector to rate competing insurance plans. We will ensure that America’s aging population has access to safe and affordable care. Because seniors overwhelmingly desire to age at home, we will make home care a priority in public policy. We will champion the right of individual
choice in senior care. We will aggressively implement programs to protect against elder abuse, and we will work to ensure that quality care is provided across the care continuum from home to nursing
home to hospice.

with this:

Protecting Individual Conscience in Healthcare
No healthcare professional or organization should ever be required to perform, provide for, withhold, or refer for a medical service against their conscience. This is especially true of the religious organizations which deliver a major portion of America’s healthcare, a service rooted in the charity of faith communities. We do not believe, however, that healthcare providers should be allowed to withhold services because the healthcare provider believes the patient’s life is not worth living. We support the ability of all organizations to provide, purchase, or enroll in healthcare coverage consistent with their religious, moral or ethical convictions without discrimination or penalty. We likewise support the right of parents to consent to medical treatment for their children, including mental health treatment, drug treatment, and treatment involving pregnancy, contraceptives and abortion. We urge enactment of pending legislation that would require parental consent to transport girls across state lines for abortions.

Seems diametrically opposed to me...

176 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:22:47pm

Obama Works It

Youtube Video
177 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:22:51pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Fuck you.

Love it !!!

178 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:23:04pm

re: #175 Gert Fröbe

It's also a "You should have kept Terry Schiavo's body hooked up to the machines forever, because god likes it when we're ghoulish for some damn reason" position.

179 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:23:16pm

re: #156 jaunte

Small government; small enough to fit in your pants.

Repeated for it's EXCELLENCE!

180 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:25:10pm
We oppose the non-consensual withholding or withdrawal of care or treatment, including food and water, from people with disabilities, including newborns, as well as the elderly and infirm, just as we oppose active and passive euthanasia and assisted suicide.

Translation: We can't accept the fact that we lost the fight to indefinitely keep brain dead Terri Schiavo on life support.

Extrapolate the implementation of such a policy just a few years into the future, healthcare costs dominated by care for zero hope patients with no cognitive ability whatsoever and coma wards as a growth industry. Imagine nearly every family having a brain dead relative in the hospital. The family unable to bury them or move on, haunted unnecessarily by the unthinking husk of a loved one sustained artificially and against their will on life support.

GOP policy, taken to it's logical conclusion, is some incredibly cold shit.

181 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:26:21pm

re: #161 makeitstop

Pull it off? He avoids doing that like the plague.

that's because his polls are skewed

182 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:26:22pm

re: #178 Obdicut

It's also a "You should have kept Terry Schiavo's body hooked up to the machines forever, because god likes it when we're ghoulish for some damn reason" position.

God only works thru rapists and dumbasses who drunk drive or have a gun, never thru doctor or scientists.

183 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:27:07pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Translation: We can't accept the fact that we lost the fight to indefinitely keep brain dead Terri Schiavo on life support.

Extrapolate the implementation of such a policy just a few years into the future, healthcare costs dominated by care for zero hope patients with no cognitive ability whatsoever and coma wards as a growth industry. Imagine nearly every family having a brain dead relative in the hospital. The family unable to bury them or move on, haunted unnecessarily by the unthinking husk of a loved one sustained artificially and against their will on life support.

GOP policy, taken to it's logical conclusion, is some incredibly cold shit.

Makes me think of Coma.

184 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:27:23pm

Lets play Texas Pennywise.

Report: Family Planning Cuts Caused 53 Clinics to Close

More than 50 clinics that provide family planning services have closed as a result of state budget cuts, according to a report published Wednesday by the New England Journal of Medicine.

“We are witnessing the dismantling of a safety net that took decades to build and could not easily be recreated even if funding were restored soon,” states the report, which was produced by sociologists at the Population Research Center at the University of Texas in Austin as part of a three-year study of the impact of budget cuts to family planning services in Texas.
.....
Well-woman exams and contraception "remain out of reach for some of the poorest women," sociologists conclude in the report. “The organizational leaders we spoke to reported that women who can pay the newly instated fees are choosing less-effective methods, purchasing fewer pill packs, and opting out of testing for sexually transmitted infections to save money.”

185 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:27:31pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Translation: We can't accept the fact that we lost the fight to indefinitely keep brain dead Terri Schiavo on life support.

Extrapolate the implementation of such a policy just a few years into the future, healthcare costs dominated by care for zero hope patients with no cognitive ability whatsoever and coma wards as a growth industry. Imagine nearly every family having a brain dead relative in the hospital. The family unable to bury them or move on, haunted unnecessarily by the unthinking husk of a loved one sustained artificially and against their will on life support.

GOP policy, taken to it's logical conclusion, is some incredibly cold shit.

Don't forget the family being billed for the long term care.

186 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:27:42pm

re: #168 makeitstop

You're right. But I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he actually tried it.

I predict that 'We don't know what Congress is going to look like' word salad will be used.

That line can only be used in a debate on the margins, meaning as a response to a detailed follow-up. For the main question, Romney has to make clear what he wants to do and how he intends to do it. And then he has to be ready to defend it, because Obama will surely move to counter any plan put forward.

187 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:29:36pm

re: #171 JamesWI

At one point, the interviewer said "The devil's in the details" to which Romney painfully responded with something like "Well, the devil may be in the details....but.....the angels.....are in the policy!"

I wish Pelley had responded "The Leprechaun is in answering the fucking question."

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:30:55pm

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

I wish Pelley had responded "The Leprechaun is in answering the fucking question."

That's a good line, is it original?

189 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:31:13pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Indeed, Willard has coasted this far by being as vague as possible. Part of what's kept him afloat is never nailing his positions down, never doing more than making vague promises that any candidate can do. If he starts offering real ideas/policies, his goose is cooked.

Because if he sticks to the batshit insanity espoused in the gop platform he'll turn off 75% of voters. But if he deviates from it his entire motivated base will abandon him and scream RINO.

190 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:31:41pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

That's a good line, is it original?

Yes.

191 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:33:19pm

re: #164 Pawn of the Oppressor

...borrow a Thetan tester from the Scientologists maybe? *shrug*

LOL!!

I've always found it darkly humorous that many on the right assume that all Muslims are, shall we say, rather swarthy-looking folks.

Now here's a little mind-blower for you. When I learned how to recite Surah-Al Fatiha in Arabic, the person who helped me was.....

...a Jesuit priest who spoke Arabic fluently. He also explained to me, in great detail, some of the key concepts of the great Islamic and Sufi philosophers. Between him and my Sheikh, I learned a great deal about the more esoteric and mystical side of Islam that is so often overlooked by so many.

I personally have very deep respect for the men of "God's Marines". There was a group of retired Jesuits I knew in Germany who opened their homes to men and women of dubious legal status in Germany and helped them get legally straightened out with the German immigration system. They also ran a soup kitchen for the homeless in cooperation with the Sufis.

If there were more people of goodwill like these men (and with the Sufis, some of them women as well), the world would be a far, far better place.

192 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:33:48pm

re: #178 Obdicut

It's also a "You should have kept Terry Schiavo's body hooked up to the machines forever, because god likes it when we're ghoulish for some damn reason" position.

and when the government pays millions a year to do it.

i do think the long, slow dehydration death is ghoulish. she should have been allowed the dignity of a quick, peaceful passing...but that would be euthanasia, of course.

193 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:34:21pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

That line can only be used in a debate on the margins, meaning as a response to a detailed follow-up. For the main question, Romney has to make clear what he wants to do and how he intends to do it. And then he has to be ready to defend it, because Obama will surely move to counter any plan put forward.

Romney's campaign has relied upon not taking a stance that it can't slither out from under when pounded on. If he stands up there on stage and starts adding details on what his plans are, he's either gonna further alienate independents or he's gonna totally discourage the base.

I figure he's gonna do what he did during the Republican primary debates: He's gonna try to avoid direct confrontation and focus instead on doing nothing more than offering criticism to anything Obama puts forward. His focus is going to be on "looking presidential."

194 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:34:56pm

warm regards,

i didn't know people still used this archaic form in emails, but i guess i'd rather have my regards served up warm instead of room temperature

damp and reheated regards,
-engineer cat

195 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:36:00pm

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Translation: We can't accept the fact that we lost the fight to indefinitely keep brain dead Terri Schiavo on life support.

Extrapolate the implementation of such a policy just a few years into the future, healthcare costs dominated by care for zero hope patients with no cognitive ability whatsoever and coma wards as a growth industry. Imagine nearly every family having a brain dead relative in the hospital. The family unable to bury them or move on, haunted unnecessarily by the unthinking husk of a loved one sustained artificially and against their will on life support.

GOP policy, taken to it's logical conclusion, is some incredibly cold shit.

I can hardly imagine a more nightmarish, dystopian future. It's incredibly cold shit, as you put it, but it would make for one hell of a dystopian sci-fi film.

196 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:36:53pm

LOL....someone on Twitter I'm following retweeted this one with the perfect analysis of "RSM hits the Derp trifecta in one tweet."

Climate change denialism, anti-evolutionism, and "the polls are skewed" all in one tweet

197 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:37:17pm

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

What a numb-nuts.

I think the numbness extends a lot higher than that.

198 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:37:51pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I can hardly imagine a more nightmarish, dystopian future. It's incredibly cold shit, as you put it, but it would make for one hell of a dystopian sci-fi film.

I'm not sure when the DVD is supposed to come out, but check out the miniseries version of Coma. It's pretty much that nightmare, put on film.

199 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:37:54pm

re: #162 Obdicut

That actually implies criminilzation. 14th amendment rights being given to the unborn means that they couldn't be 'killed' without it being unlawful.

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Translation: We can't accept the fact that we lost the fight to indefinitely keep brain dead Terri Schiavo on life support.

Extrapolate the implementation of such a policy just a few years into the future, healthcare costs dominated by care for zero hope patients with no cognitive ability whatsoever and coma wards as a growth industry. Imagine nearly every family having a brain dead relative in the hospital. The family unable to bury them or move on, haunted unnecessarily by the unthinking husk of a loved one sustained artificially and against their will on life support.

GOP policy, taken to it's logical conclusion, is some incredibly cold shit.

Why does this evoke memories of this movie.

Youtube Video
200 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:38:03pm

re: #197 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

From the neck upward?

201 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:38:10pm

Robert Stacy McCain

Like Darwinism and global-warming theory, poll-based coverage involves the illusion of "scientific" certainty.

certainty??

science fail!

202 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:38:36pm

re: #196 JamesWI

LOL....someone on Twitter I'm following retweeted this one with the perfect analysis of "RSM hits the Derp trifecta in one tweet."

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Climate change denialism, anti-evolutionism, and "the polls are skewed" all in one tweet

"Derp Trifecta" is right. God, what a dumbass.

203 allegro  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:39:12pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I can hardly imagine a more nightmarish, dystopian future. It's incredibly cold shit, as you put it, but it would make for one hell of a dystopian sci-fi film.

Already did. See "Coma" by Robin Cook. Great book and movie.

204 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:40:36pm

re: #203 allegro

For some reason, "Coma" (book and film) totally slipped my mind. Now that I recall it, yeah, that's some creepy shit.

205 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:41:19pm

re: #199 Bubblehead II

re: #180 goddamnedfrank

Why does this evoke memories of this movie.

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I think Sci-Fi Channel just showed a re-make of that movie.

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:43:24pm

re: #193 Targetpractice

Romney's campaign has relied upon not taking a stance that it can't slither out from under when pounded on. If he stands up there on stage and starts adding details on what his plans are, he's either gonna further alienate independents or he's gonna totally discourage the base.

I figure he's gonna do what he did during the Republican primary debates: He's gonna try to avoid direct confrontation and focus instead on doing nothing more than offering criticism to anything Obama puts forward. His focus is going to be on "looking presidential."

Then he'll lose. "Looking presidential" only works for the frontrunner, which is not him right now. If he wants to win, he's going to have to show he can hold fast during a pounding and then pound back. That may lead him to a victory or it may lead him to a severe defeat, but he'll at least have a chance to win.

The sentence in italics is derived from the Duke of Wellington's remark about Waterloo: "Hard pounding this, gentlemen. Let's see who can pound the longest." Wellington knew that risks must sometimes be taken, and if he wants to win this election Mitt Romney must function on that assumption.

207 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:44:02pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

I checked that out; I didn't even know there was a remake, but I live in the Czech Republic, so unless it comes out on DVD, it'll probably be a year or two before it hits Czech television.

208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:44:26pm

re: #200 PhillyPretzel

From the neck upward?

That would work, but I meant from the nuts upward (and including both the heart and the head).

209 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:45:25pm

re: #208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The whole body in other words? That is how I meant it.

210 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:45:31pm

re: #205 makeitstop

I think Sci-Fi Channel just showed a re-make of that movie.

Ridley and Tony Scott redid it into a miniseries for A&E that just aired about 2-3 weeks ago.

211 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:45:34pm

re: #207 Dr Lizardo

I checked that out; I didn't even know there was a remake, but I live in the Czech Republic, so unless it comes out on DVD, it'll probably be a year or two before it hits Czech television.

*nods* It's pretty good, by which I mean creepy as fuck.

212 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:45:59pm

'2016: Obama's America' Producers Say 'Dirty Tricks' Used to Stop Moviegoers

Producers of the movie "2016: Obama's America" say there was an organized effort to drive viewers away from the theatrical showing of the successful documentary this past weekend by posting illegally uploaded copies on YouTube. The effort included a disinformation campaign that spread the rumor that Fox News Channel planned to show the movie in its entirety last Sunday, filmmakers said.

"The reports of the movie appearing on Fox before the election are completely untrue and we strongly suspect that they are the result of dirty tricks by our opponents who spread this rumor in order to confuse the general public and keep them from going to their local theaters," said the film's writer/director, Dinesh D'Souza. "We urge all Americans to ignore these efforts and go to their local theater and enjoy the movie on the big screen."

Yeah, I'm sure that is totally what happened.

213 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:46:42pm

re: #150 EdDantes

What the hell happened to Ed?

I gotta go fix some bikes. bbl

214 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:46:43pm

re: #205 makeitstop

I think Sci-Fi Channel just showed a re-make of that movie.

It definitely creeped me out when I first saw it. The "auction" scene was probably the creepiest part of the movie.

215 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:47:48pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Then he'll lose. "Looking presidential" only works for the frontrunner, which is not him right now. If he wants to win, he's going to have to show he can hold fast during a pounding and then pound back. That may lead him to a victory or it may lead him to a severe defeat, but he'll at least have a chance to win.

The sentence in italics is derived from the Duke of Wellington's remark about Waterloo: "Hard pounding this, gentlemen. Let's see who can pound the longest." Wellington knew that risks must sometimes be taken, and if he wants to win this election Mitt Romney must function on that assumption.

Thing is, nothing I've seen shows Romney is a risk taker. Quite the opposite, he seems to be risk adverse. That has a large part to do with the reality that the base is only tentatively on his side and very likely will abandon him if he does not conform to their crazy ideology all the way to Election Day. So I don't expect him to do more than continue to offer vague promises while trying to lob as much shit as he can Obama's way in the hopes that something will stick.

216 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:48:03pm

re: #205 makeitstop

I think Sci-Fi Channel just showed a re-make of that movie.

No, it was A&E. Unlike SyeFye, they make far fewer movies and use quality actors in their movies. The miniseries version of Coma starred Lauren Ambrose (Can't Hardly Wait, Six Feet Under) and featured Geena Davis, James Woods, Ellen Burstyn, and Richard Dreyfuss (he of "Mr. Holland's Opus" as the old LGF meme pointed out).

217 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:48:20pm

re: #212 Kragar

'2016: Obama's America' Producers Say 'Dirty Tricks' Used to Stop Moviegoers

Yeah, I'm sure that is totally what happened.

And Atlas Shrugged hasn't been a box-office smash because it's not being shown on enough screens.

///

218 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:49:18pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

And Atlas Shrugged hasn't been a box-office smash because it's not being shown on enough screens.

///

I'm sure the Torrent sites are just swamped with links to download the both of them.

219 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:49:34pm

re: #212 Kragar

Why is it that everything's a damned conspiracy to so many on the right? Is it some kind of mental illness? Conspiracies of being persecuted, twitter gulag, FEMA camps, creeping sharia.....I've never seen such lunacy being peddled in my 43 years on the planet.

It's like a rather significant chunk of the American population has had some sort of psychotic episode, and they're spewing their delusional rantings to anyone who'll listen.

220 calochortus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:49:47pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

What the hell happened to Ed?

Terminal cognitive dissonance?

221 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:50:28pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

Thing is, nothing I've seen shows Romney is a risk taker. Quite the opposite, he seems to be risk adverse. That has a large part to do with the reality that the base is only tentatively on his side and very likely will abandon him if he does not conform to their crazy ideology all the way to Election Day. So I don't expect him to do more than continue to offer vague promises while trying to lob as much shit as he can Obama's way in the hopes that something will stick.

That's actually the greater risk, though. Newt's idea of being actually presidental (meaning offering policy goals and outlines and defending them) has a greater chance of delivering a victory than simply "looking presidential".

222 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:51:20pm

re: #208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

That would work, but I meant from the nuts upward (and including both the heart and the head).

Heh. I always take it to mean from the top down to there. To phrase it in an appropriately biblical manner, he has Pharaoh's hardness of heart.

223 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:51:23pm

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Why is it that everything's a damned conspiracy to so many on the right? Is it some kind of mental illness? Conspiracies of being persecuted, twitter gulag, FEMA camps, creeping sharia.....I've never seen such lunacy being peddled in my 43 years on the planet.

It's like a rather significant chunk of the American population has had some sort of psychotic episode, and they're spewing their delusional rantings to anyone who'll listen.

I think that there's an interesting cognative dissonance between the fetish for individual responsibility and initiative and the idea that there is always someone behind the scenes pulling the strings.

224 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:51:25pm

re: #212 Kragar

'2016: Obama's America' Producers Say 'Dirty Tricks' Used to Stop Moviegoers

Yeah, I'm sure that is totally what happened.

It couldn't be that most Americans have figured out the movie is full of lies and bullshit.

225 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:52:16pm

re: #224 Tigger2

It couldn't be that most Americans have figured out the movie is full of lies and bullshit.

But we believe it's true so it must be!

226 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:52:47pm

re: #126 JamesWI

Since Romney has no problem taking Obama out of context, every chance he can.....I have no problem posting this picture:

Image: the-crap-we-missed-0926-18-580x435.jpg

And saying Romney is clearly a neo-Nazi.

No, he's just a frustrated aircraft designer:
Image: airlinerdesign.jpg

227 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:52:55pm

re: #212 Kragar

'2016: Obama's America' Producers Say 'Dirty Tricks' Used to Stop Moviegoers

Yeah, I'm sure that is totally what happened.

I did see Facebook posts repeating a 'rumor' that Fox was gonna run it. But yeah, they're paranoid.

228 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:54:19pm

re: #225 Mr. Crankypants

But we believe it's true so it must be!

I'm glad I don't live on the Republicans planet, "Planet Propaganda"

229 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:54:43pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

And Atlas Shrugged hasn't been a box-office smash because it's not being shown on enough screens.

///

It's all because audiences aren't CONSERVATIVE enough, so they need to blanket the country by releasing it to every theater!

///

230 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:55:08pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

That's actually the greater risk, though. Newt's idea of being actually presidental (meaning offering policy goals and outlines and defending them) has a greater chance of delivering a victory than simply "looking presidential".

Mitt's got a CEO's eye. Risk is evaluated on a day-to-day stock trader's basis. He may have an extremely high risk of not being elected with this waffley bullshit strategy, but he's got a very low risk of plummeting his Intrade stock on any given day.

It's a feature of the modern businessman's mindset, not a bug.

231 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:55:46pm

Every band needs this drummer

Youtube Video

Give it at least 1:30 to get to the drummer

232 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:55:50pm

re: #218 Kragar

I'm sure the Torrent sites are just swamped with links to download the both of them.

Actually a quick check shows 19 hits for "2016" at the usual suspect place. The most popular has 687 seeds and 1266 leeches. My guess is even the wingnuts aren't willing to pay to see it.

233 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:56:08pm

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Why is it that everything's a damned conspiracy to so many on the right? Is it some kind of mental illness? Conspiracies of being persecuted, twitter gulag, FEMA camps, creeping sharia.....I've never seen such lunacy being peddled in my 43 years on the planet.

It's like a rather significant chunk of the American population has had some sort of psychotic episode, and they're spewing their delusional rantings to anyone who'll listen.

It's that way to the Far Left, too. Many people on the far edges of the political spectrum are "Failed Historian" conspiracists. Such people use conspiracy theories to explain away the cognitive dissonance that results when the world refuses to produce the results demanded by their ideology.

234 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:56:18pm

re: #223 Mr. Crankypants

There's something I remember reading many, many years ago, called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (or I think that's the name of it). It was written in the either the 1950s or 1960s.

I remember thinking after reading it, "Well, thank heavens that kind of bullshit is now long past." Little did I know that it would be end up being almost prophetic.

I think if President Obama is re-elected, some of the folks on the right are gonna totally lose it in epic fashion.

235 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:56:24pm

DNC's great response to Mitt's new ad (where he pretends to be concerned about poor people).

236 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:57:43pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

That's actually the greater risk, though. Newt's idea of being actually presidental (meaning offering policy goals and outlines and defending them) has a greater chance of delivering a victory than simply "looking presidential".

The greater risk is he'd depreciate his already low status with the base by staking a left-leaning strategy, with no guarantee that the independents will make up for the losses. Likewise playing to the base so far does not seem to be a winning strategy. So "looking presidential," while it may not seem it, is the lower risk option when your campaign is based upon being as vague as possible.

237 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:58:36pm

re: #234 Dr Lizardo

There's something I remember reading many, many years ago, called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (or I think that's the name of it). It was written in the either the 1950s or 1960s.

I remember thinking after reading it, "Well, thank heavens that kind of bullshit is now long past." Little did I know that it would be end up being almost prophetic.

I think if President Obama is re-elected, some of the folks on the right are gonna totally lose it in epic fashion.

Wikipedia

238 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 2:58:37pm

re: #212 Kragar

'2016: Obama's America' Producers Say 'Dirty Tricks' Used to Stop Moviegoers

Yeah, I'm sure that is totally what happened.

Meanwhile, I would be willing to wager that "mass purchases" by right wing groups (much like those used to keep wingnut books in the New York Times bestsellers list) have played a role in keeping that movie in theaters this long.

239 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:00:23pm

re: #230 erik_t

Mitt's got a CEO's eye. Risk is evaluated on a day-to-day stock trader's basis. He may have an extremely high risk of not being elected with this waffley bullshit strategy, but he's got a very low risk of plummeting his Intrade stock on any given day.

It's a feature of the modern businessman's mindset, not a bug.

I'd say he has the ability to be more far-seeing if he wishes. Bain's merger of two small steel companies to form Steel Dynamics is some evidence of that.

240 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:00:34pm

Good evening.
I seem to be having trouble opening a window on my Death Star.
Why won't it open?

241 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:12pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

It's that way to the Far Left, too. Many people on the far edges of the political spectrum are "Failed Historian" conspiracists. Such people use conspiracy theories to explain away the cognitive dissonance that results when the world refuses to produce the results demanded by their ideology.

As much as you'd like to trot out the MBF on this, there is ABSOLUTELY no comparison between the RWNJs in today's GOP and the moonbats who happen to reside in the Democratic Party.

The moonbats have largely been sidelined and marginalized from any real power in the Democratic Party for years, while the RWNJs have been steadily mainstreamed in the GOP and are more-or-less in control of the party.

242 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:41pm

re: #234 Dr Lizardo

There's something I remember reading many, many years ago, called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (or I think that's the name of it). It was written in the either the 1950s or 1960s.

I remember thinking after reading it, "Well, thank heavens that kind of bullshit is now long past." Little did I know that it would be end up being almost prophetic.

I think if President Obama is re-elected, some of the folks on the right are gonna totally lose it in epic fashion.

I need to get that on my nook and read it. I've been reading more political books lately.

243 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:45pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

I'd say he has the ability to be more far-seeing if he wishes. Bain's merger of two small steel companies to form Steel Dynamics is some evidence of that.

Sure, it's easy to play god with several smaller business units. This is mortgaging his personal future, and I've seen precious little evidence he has the ability to do so.

244 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:53pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

It's that way to the Far Left, too. Many people on the far edges of the political spectrum are "Failed Historian" conspiracists. Such people use conspiracy theories to explain away the cognitive dissonance that results when the world refuses to produce the results demanded by their ideology.

You're quite right. Many leftists I've known are living in Delusionville, right down the road from Paranoiaburg; it's both sides, usually at the fringes of the political spectrum.

I guess it just galls me to see that fringe wack-jobs and tin-foil-hat wearers emerging to the fore of the American socio-political scene. Is there no one in either the GOP (or the Democratic party for that matter when their nuts pipe up) to just say, "Hey....STFU. You're insane." Is it that hard to do? Are political parties so afraid of alienating potential voters that they can no longer call out insanity when it's so glaringly obvious?

245 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:55pm

re: #234 Dr Lizardo

There's something I remember reading many, many years ago, called "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" (or I think that's the name of it). It was written in the either the 1950s or 1960s.

I remember thinking after reading it, "Well, thank heavens that kind of bullshit is now long past." Little did I know that it would be end up being almost prophetic.

I think if President Obama is re-elected, some of the folks on the right are gonna totally lose it in epic fashion.

it makes interesting reading today since it essentially describes the modern wingnut movement in utero as it were

246 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:01:59pm

re: #240 Varek Raith

Good evening.
I seem to be having trouble opening a window on my Death Star.
Why won't it open?

My Lord, that's the viewscreen.

/

247 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:02:20pm

re: #241 Gert Fröbe

As much as you'd like to trot out the MBF on this, there is ABSOLUTELY no comparison between the RWNJs in today's GOP and the moonbats who happen to reside in the Democratic Party.

Wait, you mean Cindy Sheehan isn't employed by CNN anymore?!

/

248 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:02:41pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

My Lord, that's the viewscreen.

/

Ah.
...
Open it.

249 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:02:48pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

Newt Gingrich is right about what Mitt needs to do in the first debate, but I'm not sure Romney can pull it off:

snip...Gingrich said. "I think he's got to draw a sharp contrast between a Romney recovery and Obama stagnation -- he's got to say, with all due respect, Mr. President, this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression. ...

You guys keep saying that. It is stupid. This has been the worst economic recession/downturn/depression, whatever you want to call it, since the Great Depression. And it happened under a republican administration.

It is dumb to try to compare the recovery to milder recessions since the 30s. Stop it.

250 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:04:33pm

re: #248 Varek Raith

Ah.
...
Open it.

Very well, My Lord. *pops cover off viewscreen*

251 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:04:36pm

offering policy goals and outlines

seems clear to me that mitt and paul are clear on the idea that offering anything more than they have been doing by way of specifics will certainly lose them the election

"so, mr fox, could you be a little more specific on how you hope to achieve this goal of improvement in hen house management?"

252 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:04:52pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

I'd say he has the ability to be more far-seeing if he wishes. Bain's merger of two small steel companies to form Steel Dynamics is some evidence of that.

I disagree. Romney never stayed with any of the companies he "turned around" to make sure they were successful long term. His entire business model was to rape and pillage and figure there was always another place he could go. Unfortunately for him, people are starting to figure out his bullshit and don't want the same kind of treatment.

253 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:05:43pm

re: #240 Varek Raith

Good evening.
I seem to be having trouble opening a window on my Death Star.
Why won't it open?

Magnets.

254 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:06:27pm

If only this picture was from London this year, instead of Salt Lake City in 2002, we could have had our own "Dukakis in a tank" moment:

Image: enhanced-buzz-21456-1348689994-4.jpg

255 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:06:29pm

re: #253 Kragar

Magnets.

How do they work?

256 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:07:02pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

How do they work?

Aliens

257 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:07:05pm

re: #254 JamesWI

If only this picture was from London this year, instead of Salt Lake City in 2002, we could have had our own "Dukakis in a tank" moment:

Image: enhanced-buzz-21456-1348689994-4.jpg

WTF is "Gateway"???
/

258 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:07:23pm

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Newt's idea of being actually presidental (meaning offering policy goals and outlines and defending them) has a greater chance of delivering a victory than simply "looking presidential".

It's not Newt's idea. It's Elections 101. Mitt's running for POTUS, not dog catcher. It helps to actually tell people what you stand for and what you intend to do if you're elected. He hasn't done that and shows no signs of actually doing it anytime soon, and it's less than two months until the election.

The RNC should have been the big showcase. Romney and Ryan should have laid out a specific agenda that they were going to implement once elected. The speeches that entire week should have embraced that agenda and defended it from start to finish. Just look at the DNC -- every speech was about some policy or some agenda piece that Biden and Obama are running on, and they spent all week drawing clear, unambiguous contrasts between the Democratic and Republican visions for the country.

At this point, it's too late to start laying out an agenda. That should have happened months ago.

259 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:08:16pm
260 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:08:54pm

re: #237 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Thanks. Yes, that brought some memories back.

For all the lizards, here's a link to the full text of the essay:

[Link: karws.gso.uri.edu...]

Fascinating reading, even though it's over 50 years old. And uncannily accurate.

261 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:09:06pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

WTF is "Gateway"???
/

A now-gone company that employed a cow as its mascot. Very big in Real America, eating cows. Some people actually raise them there I hear.

/Fake Ann Romney (she'd never say anything like this in real life)

262 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:09:43pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

WTF is "Gateway"???
/

It's a helluva drug...

/Rick James

263 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:11:19pm

re: #249 blueraven

Plus,we have people in Congress right now obstructing and abusing the filibuster to put a stop to any possibility of progress. Solely for the purpose of making one political party look bad,so they can run around and bitch about how badly things are broken. They want to play politics,the do not know how nor do they want to govern. Had we not shed so many public sector jobs and had stimulus money redirected away from projects things might be doing better now.

There has to be a point where this shit stops,for the good of the country. Maybe it's time we started calling our GOP elected officials every damned day and tell them they need to be doing their damned jobs,stop taking freaking vacations every 6 weeks and do something constructive. At this point,for some of these buffoons watching Schoolhouse Rock DVDs would be more constructive than what they're doing now.

264 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:12:01pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

WTF is "Gateway"???
/

I actually kind of miss the Gateway of old. The boxes were cute & they sold some of the best keyboards outside of IBM or DEC.

265 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:12:43pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

WTF is "Gateway"???
/

I was working for Gateway when the guy in the back took over from Rick Snyder (who is now the governer of Michigan). Jeff Weitzen proceeded to ru the company into the ground by focusing on stock price rather than on customer service and making good products. He later got indicted by the SEC for fraud.

266 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:13:46pm

re: #258 Lidane

It's not Newt's idea. It's Elections 101. Mitt's running for POTUS, not dog catcher. It helps to actually tell people what you stand for and what you intend to do if you're elected. He hasn't done that and shows no signs of actually doing it anytime soon, and it's less than two months until the election.

The RNC should have been the big showcase. Romney and Ryan should have laid out a specific agenda that they were going to implement once elected. The speeches that entire week should have embraced that agenda and defended it from start to finish. Just look at the DNC -- every speech was about some policy or some agenda piece that Biden and Obama are running on, and they spent all week drawing clear, unambiguous contrasts between the Democratic and Republican visions for the country.

At this point, it's too late to start laying out an agenda. That should have happened months ago.

They can't be honest about their agenda because if they do nobody outside their base will vote for them.

267 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:13:49pm

re: #254 JamesWI

Too bad someone didn't give that sled a push.

268 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:14:24pm

re: #265 Mr. Crankypants

I was working for Gateway when the guy in the back took over from Rick Snyder (who is now the governer of Michigan). Jeff Weitzen proceeded to ru the company into the ground by focusing on stock price rather than on customer service and making good products. He later got indicted by the SEC for fraud.

And now Gateway (like eMachines, who had been bought up by Gateway) is nothing more than a divison of Acer, a shell of its former self.

269 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:14:33pm

Anyone up for a blues break? Playing loud in my office

Beth Hart, Les Paul Neil Schon

Youtube Video
270 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:14:44pm

re: #258 Lidane

At this point, it's too late to start laying out an agenda

1. rich people and corporations pay even less in taxes
2. middle class and poorer people get the tax burden shifted down on them even more (happens whenever you lower taxes for people higher up even if you don't do a thing to the existing tax structure for the rest)
3. no regulations except for abortions, immigrants, and persons caught attempting to vote
4. fire as many workers on gov payrolls as you can so as to increase employment
5. "fix" ss and medicare by starting the process of getting rid of it
6. distract attention from all of this by agitating irrelevant issues
7. profit!

271 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:14:56pm

re: #264 William Barnett-Lewis

I actually kind of miss the Gateway of old. The boxes were cute & they sold some of the best keyboards outside of IBM or DEC.

I wish I could find one of the old anykey keyboards. They were spectacularly useful, although a nightmare for customer support.

272 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:15:32pm

Here's the money shot from "The Paranoid Style in American Politics";

The paranoid style is not confined to our own country and time; it is an international phenomenon. Studying the millennial sects of Europe from the eleventh to the sixteenth century, Norman Cohn believed he found a persistent psychic complex that corresponds broadly with what I have been considering—a style made up of certain preoccupations and fantasies: “the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque.”

Yes, that sounds like a fairly accurate description of what I see when I lurk at FR or read Breitbart or RedState and other RWNJ sites. Pam Gellar's site springs to mind immediately.

273 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:15:51pm

re: #258 Lidane

It's not Newt's idea. It's Elections 101. Mitt's running for POTUS, not dog catcher. It helps to actually tell people what you stand for and what you intend to do if you're elected. He hasn't done that and shows no signs of actually doing it anytime soon, and it's less than two months until the election.

The RNC should have been the big showcase. Romney and Ryan should have laid out a specific agenda that they were going to implement once elected. The speeches that entire week should have embraced that agenda and defended it from start to finish. Just look at the DNC -- every speech was about some policy or some agenda piece that Biden and Obama are running on, and they spent all week drawing clear, unambiguous contrasts between the Democratic and Republican visions for the country.

At this point, it's too late to start laying out an agenda. That should have happened months ago.

No, its not too late. But Mitt will need guys like Newt and Ralph Reed to go around to people who lead organizations within the Republican base and explain Romney's debate strategy. They need to be told that he's not going to ignore them, but they need to let him lay out some policy guidelines on economics. They need to be told that if they want the GOP in the White House they're going to need to defend Romney to the followers.

274 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:17:23pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

Ralph Reed? The one who's sure there's a Mysterious Polling Conspiracy to put Obama on top?

I can't tell if this is satire.

275 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:18:05pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

No, its not too late. But Mitt will need guys like Newt and Ralph Reed to go around to people who lead organizations within the Republican base and explain Romney's debate strategy. They need to be told that he's not going to ignore them, but they need to let him lay out some policy guidelines on economics. They need to be told that if they want the GOP in the White House they're going to need to defend Romney to the followers.

Yes, it's too late. The RNC was a national spotlight on the campaign. That was the moment when people were paying attention. The only other time that most voters will look again is during the debates.

Everything else you're talking about should have happened a long time ago. Six weeks before the election and right before the debates is NOT the time to start talking about these things.

276 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:18:11pm

re: #241 Gert Fröbe

As much as you'd like to trot out the MBF on this, there is ABSOLUTELY no comparison between the RWNJs in today's GOP and the moonbats who happen to reside in the Democratic Party.

The moonbats have largely been sidelined and marginalized from any real power in the Democratic Party for years, while the RWNJs have been steadily mainstreamed in the GOP and are more-or-less in control of the party.

I'd say there's very little difference between lefty and righty wingnuts (likely there are more of them on the right at this time), but the real difference is in how seriously they're taken by the parties. And THAT is where the MBF crashes and burns.

277 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:18:54pm

.....Jesus Christ, this man is completely incompetent....

278 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:19:19pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

No, its not too late. But Mitt will need guys like Newt and Ralph Reed to go around to people who lead organizations within the Republican base and explain Romney's debate strategy. They need to be told that he's not going to ignore them, but they need to let him lay out some policy guidelines on economics. They need to be told that if they want the GOP in the White House they're going to need to defend Romney to the followers.

Unfortunately the followers have been convinced that any departure from their strict orthodoxy is absolute sacrilege.

279 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:20:18pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

No, its not too late. But Mitt will need guys like Newt and Ralph Reed to go around to people who lead organizations within the Republican base and explain Romney's debate strategy. They need to be told that he's not going to ignore them, but they need to let him lay out some policy guidelines on economics. They need to be told that if they want the GOP in the White House they're going to need to defend Romney to the followers.

Sorry Dark, but it's way past too late. If he goes to the debates and starts outlining what he intends to do, he's consigning himself to remaining on the defensive right up til Election Day. It's a strategy that's all risk and no guarantees.

280 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:21:02pm

re: #273 Dark_Falcon

In other words,Lie Like a MoFo. Ralph Reed is a nasty piece of work btw, anyone with any sort of moral compass wouldn't put themselves anywhere near him. Yuck DF,seriously. Romney has had plenty of time to let the country know what his policy and plans are,if he can't properly articulate it now,he really should just admit it and take his lumps.

281 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:22:21pm

"The Paranoid Style in Future of American Politics"

282 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:23:13pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

Sorry Dark, but it's way past too late. If he goes to the debates and starts outlining what he intends to do, he's consigning himself to remaining on the defensive right up til Election Day. It's a strategy that's all risk and no guarantees.

His campaign has already repeatedly said that they don't want to give details because they don't think they can win on the issues. The fact that they didn't have a plan beyond a constant chant of Obama Sucks! shows that they weren't going in thinking that they really needed a coherent policy agenda.

283 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:23:39pm

re: #275 Lidane

Everything else you're talking about should have happened a long time ago. Six weeks before the election and right before the debates is NOT the time to start talking about these things.

People are already voting, for crying out loud.

284 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:24:30pm

re: #282 Mr. Crankypants

His campaign has already repeatedly said that they don't want to give details because they don't think they can win on the issues. The fact that they didn't have a plan beyond a constant chant of Obama Sucks! shows that they weren't going in thinking that they really needed a coherent policy agenda.

Reminds me somewhat of 2004.

285 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:24:50pm

Great piece on the right-wing's "Poll Trutherism."

(I know KT will probably come in to proclaim that he didn't read it because it's from the horribly biased "Media Matters," and he only reads horribly-biased sources if they're on the other side)

286 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:25:04pm

My personal hope is that the debates allow Joe Biden to make Paul Ryan look like the pseudo wonk that he is.

287 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:25:09pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Reminds me somewhat of 2004.

"Now, I have a plan..."

288 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:25:32pm

re: #287 Targetpractice

"Now, I have a plan..."

Freaking Cylon.

289 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:25:52pm
VAUGHN, N.M. (AP) — The police chief of the small eastern New Mexico town of Vaughn resigned Wednesday, leaving the town with just one certified member on its police force — a drug-sniffing dog named Nikka.

Dave Romero, attorney for the town, said Wednesday that police Chief Ernest ‘‘Chris’’ Armijo decided to step down after news stories reported that he wasn’t allowed to carry a gun because of his criminal background.

‘‘He decided the attention was distracting from everything as he had to do in his position,’’ Romero said.

State officials said Armijo couldn’t carry a gun since acknowledging owing tens of thousands of dollars in delinquent child support payments in Texas. Armijo also faces new felony charges after being accused of selling a town-owned rifle and pocketing the cash.


[... yes, there's more....]

Had to share that.

290 Lidane  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:26:00pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Reminds me somewhat of 2004.

It's 2004 all over again, but Romney has even less charisma than John Kerry.

291 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:26:09pm

re: #288 Varek Raith

Freaking Cylon.

No no, it's "Fraking Toaster."

Get it right.

292 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:26:38pm

He's really slipping now. He can't even stay consistent for a couple minutes:

293 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:27:14pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Reminds me somewhat of 2004.

The problem is that the GOP has constantly felt they didn't have to work all that hard to present an alternative vision because their opponent was blah. The sad thing is that Obama has repeatedly handed them their ass when push came to shove and there was substantive discussion of the issues.

294 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:27:40pm

re: #292 JamesWI

The debates are going to be AWESOME. I'm stocking up on beer and snacks.

295 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:28:01pm

Shooting at Mobile AL Dem HQ--None dead:

[Link: www.wsfa.com...]

296 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:29:13pm

re: #292 JamesWI

He's really slipping now. He can't even stay consistent for a couple minutes:

[Embedded content]

EMPATHY IS THE PROBLEM!
/

297 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:29:32pm

re: #293 Mr. Crankypants

The problem is that the GOP has constantly felt they didn't have to work all that hard to present an alternative vision because their opponent was blah. The sad thing is that Obama has repeatedly handed them their ass when push came to shove and there was substantive discussion of the issues.

Plan A was the assumption that the economy would either stall out or go back into recession and kill Obama's chances. Problem is that the Romney campaign either has realized Plan A failed and have no Plan B or they refuse to believe that Plan A has actually failed.

298 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:29:38pm

re: #294 A Mom Anon

The debates are going to be AWESOME. I'm stocking up on beer and snacks.

Hopefully, they'll be livestreaming so I can catch them as well.

Must stock up on Kofola (Czech cola, which I've acquired a taste for) and snacks. Should be entertaining.

299 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:29:49pm

re: #293 Mr. Crankypants

The problem is that the GOP has constantly felt they didn't have to work all that hard to present an alternative vision because their opponent was blah. The sad thing is that Obama has repeatedly handed them their ass when push came to shove and there was substantive discussion of the issues.

For some reason I read that as 2008 not 2004. I don't know what Kerry could have done to dismantle the Swift Boat treatment.

300 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:30:01pm

re: #292 JamesWI

He's really slipping now. He can't even stay consistent for a couple minutes:

[Embedded content]

he is composed of romneybot and antiromneybot particles that are repelling each other

that's why he laughs that way

301 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:30:34pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Shooting at Mobile AL Dem HQ--None dead:

[Link: www.wsfa.com...]

Correct that--now said not to be a shooting.

302 blueraven  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:31:33pm

re: #269 Daniel Ballard

Anyone up for a blues break? Playing loud in my office

Beth Hart, Les Paul Neil Schon

[Embedded content]

I really like her. Saw her in about '98 or '99 in Austin. She opened for Jonny Lang. Damn he was just 18 then.

I liked her better than Jonny.

303 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:31:37pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Correct that--now said not to be a shooting.

Gremlins.

304 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:31:45pm

re: #298 Dr Lizardo

Hopefully, they'll be livestreaming so I can catch them as well.

Must stock up on Kofola (Czech cola, which I've acquired a taste for) and snacks. Should be entertaining.

living in the czech republic sounds like fun

i have 'escape fantasies' of living there, either as an english language teacher as if i was 25 or 35 again, or seeing how much a software engineer can make over there

305 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:32:23pm

re: #300 engineer cat

So during the debates, I hope someone can shout out a decent James Doohan impression and say, "Cap'n; I canna hold him together....the romneybot and antiromneybot particles are collidin in a chain reaction! I give it five minutes before he blows entirely!"

306 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:33:38pm

re: #302 blueraven

I can't wait for the new album, and a return to the US. I love it when a local girl does so well. Listen to her passion in this...

Youtube Video

I confess I'm smitten with her music and that voice.

307 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:34:10pm

re: #303 Varek Raith

Gremlins.

Possible delayed glass shatter from an earlier unattended shooting. Wouldn't want to mow grass around a Dem HQ.

[Link: blog.al.com...]

308 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:34:31pm

re: #300 engineer cat

he is composed of romneybot and antiromneybot particles that are repelling each other

that's why he laughs that way

Not a coincidence

Wrong nominee sounds a lot like Romney

309 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:34:39pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Correct that--now said not to be a shooting.

That was fast...remember the shitstorm on Fox when one of Cantor's unmarked offices got struck by a stray bullet during deer season? I don't even think it made it through the glass.

Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor said Thursday that his Richmond campaign office has been shot at and that he's received "threatening e-mails" -- but at the same time the House minority whip accused top Democrats of trying to exploit the threats they've been receiving for "political gain."
Cantor said "a bullet was shot through the window" of his campaign office. The incident happened Monday, Fox News has learned, the latest in a rash of apparent threats and acts of intimidation against members of Congress. Most of the threats so far have been reported by Democrats, but Cantor -- the No. 2 Republican in the House -- is one of about 10 lawmakers who has asked for increased security protection, Fox News has learned.

Of course, CBS posted the real news a day or two later:

The bullet that hit House Republican Whip Eric Cantor's office was the result of random gunfire, the Richmond, Virginia police said today.

310 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:35:38pm

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

So during the debates, I hope someone can shout out a decent James Doohan impression and say, "Cap'n; I canna hold him together....the romneybot and antiromneybot particles are collidin in a chain reaction! I give it five minutes before he blows entirely!"

Cap'n, he cannae take it much longer! He's gonna blow!

311 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:36:01pm

re: #309 darthstar

That was fast...remember the shitstorm on Fox when one of Cantor's unmarked offices got struck by a stray bullet during deer season? I don't even think it made it through the glass.

Of course, CBS posted the real news a day or two later:

This is Lower Alabama--we only score aimed shots.

312 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:36:13pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Shooting at Mobile AL Dem HQ--None dead:

[Link: www.wsfa.com...]

Probably should read the article a bit closer before posting.

Authorities said the glass at the front of the building was broken from previous damage and was not caused by any gunfire.

and

Investigators found existing holes in the glass front area of the building that were covered by what appeared to be repair material. The holes were determined to have existed prior to the glass panel shattering.

313 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:36:40pm

re: #304 engineer cat

It's fun, and not bad. Software engineers can do quite well, especially in Prague. Most of the big companies are located there in business parks. I taught English to Accenture a couple of years ago in a massive business park in Prague 8, tons of tall office buildings. I recall seeing HP, Apple, Microsoft being represented there.

Cost of living wise, Prague is more expensive. Here where I am, Ostrava, I can actually get by on $600 per month in a worst-case scenario. Covers my rent, utilities, and food and transportation, mobile phone bill, and going to a movie or two and occasionally eating out.

314 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:36:41pm
315 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:36:47pm

"I'm a doctor, not an engineer."

316 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:37:34pm

re: #315 Varek Raith

"I'm a doctor, not an engineer."

*arches eyebrow* "Fascinating."

317 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:37:44pm

re: #312 Bubblehead II

Probably should read the article a bit closer before posting.

Authorities said the glass at the front of the building was broken from previous damage and was not caused by any gunfire.

and

Investigators found existing holes in the glass front area of the building that were covered by what appeared to be repair material. The holes were determined to have existed prior to the glass panel shattering.

Got it by neighbourhood phone tree here. I pulled up the latest site out there.

318 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:38:14pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Cap'n, he cannae take it much longer! He's gonna blow!

If someone in the audience actually shouted that out in a Scotty voice, I'd probably laugh myself into a hernia.

319 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:38:25pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

Correct that--now said not to be a shooting.

Minutes late, pennies short on my response.

320 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:40:06pm

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

So during the debates, I hope someone can shout out a decent James Doohan impression and say, "Cap'n; I canna hold him together....the romneybot and antiromneybot particles are collidin in a chain reaction! I give it five minutes before he blows entirely!"

Understood. Proceed with planned ejection of Barack Obama.

///

321 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:40:17pm

re: #319 Bubblehead II

Minutes late, pennies short on my response.

Made no sense, no one would want to shoot up an AL Dem office but a Dem.

322 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:41:26pm

re: #34 Kragar

Roman Catholic Bishop: Democrats Endorse 'Intrinsic Evils' and Supporters put their 'Soul in Serious Jeopardy'

"I'm not going to tell you what to do, but you'll burn in eternal hellfire if you make the wrong choice."

No pressure.

Hell is pleased with Bishop Paprocki.

323 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:41:35pm

re: #287 Targetpractice

"Now, I have a plan..."

I thought that was supposed to be a cunning plan?

324 Archangelus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:41:41pm

re: #291 Targetpractice

No no, it's "Fraking Toaster."

Get it right.

So Say We All

325 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:41:55pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

*arches eyebrow "Fascinating."

Image: SpockFascinating.jpg

326 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:43:18pm

WTF?

327 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:43:33pm

re: #321 Decatur Deb

Made no sense, no one would want to shoot up an AL Dem office but a Dem.

They hate each other that much? Hell, I thought the Repubs were the cannibalistic ones.

328 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:43:33pm

re: #322 Romantic Heretic

Hell is pleased with Bishop Paprocki.

The good bishop needs to be asked if IVF is intrinsically evil. (It is in his program.)

329 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:44:37pm

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

Thanks. Yes, that brought some memories back.

For all the lizards, here's a link to the full text of the essay:

[Link: karws.gso.uri.edu...]

Fascinating reading, even though it's over 50 years old. And uncannily accurate.

Hofstadter was right about almost everything in that essay. He was somewhat wrong about Barry Goldwater, who was a sane person and not the nut has was made out to be. The other error was more minor:

Important changes may also be traced to the effects of the mass media. The villains of the modern right are much more vivid than those of their paranoid predecessors, much better known to the public; the literature of the paranoid style is by the same token richer and more circumstantial in personal description and personal invective. For the vaguely delineated villains of the anti-Masons, for the obscure and disguised Jesuit agents, the little-known papal delegates of the anti-Catholics, for the shadowy international bankers of the monetary conspiracies, we may now substitute eminent public figures like Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower., secretaries of State like Marshall, Acheson, and Dulles, Justices of the Supreme Court like Frankfurter and Warren, and the whole battery of lesser but still famous and vivid alleged conspirators headed by Alger Hiss.

Hofstadter had his reasons for doubting Hiss's guilt, but as it happened he was wrong on that score. Alger Hiss was indeed a Soviet spy. But as I said its a minor point that a mind less pedantic than mine likely wouldn't mention.

330 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:44:49pm

re: #327 Bubblehead II

They hate each other that much? Hell, I thought the Repubs were the cannibalistic ones.

Artur Davis was our shining prince.

331 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:46:28pm
332 palomino  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:46:41pm

re: #68 EdDantes

Thank you for understanding my point. To summarize:

1. I don't believe that GOP'ers believe that women have a natural defense against conception through rape.

2. "legitimate" rape is an oxymoron.

3. I don't know why Akin would now be supported by conservatives other than the expectation of gaining a senate seat. In which case I would call that a Pyrrhic victory.

Most Republicans might not believe a woman "can shut the whole thing down" while being raped. Though this has been a popular talking point misconception on the right, along with "women who get abortions are more likely to get breast cancer, etc."

But you're missing the point. Most Republicans DO believe that a woman who doesn't shut things down, i.e., gets pregnant after rape, should NOT have the right to abort a rapist's baby. A very hardline position not shared by the vast majority of Americans, 80% of whom at least believe in exceptions for rape, incest, life of mother (exceptions not in the GOP platform).

333 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:46:48pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Understood. Proceed with planned ejection of Barack Obama the USS Romney's WarpedSenseOfReality core.

///

FTFY

334 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:47:19pm

re: #326 darthstar

WTF?

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According to the article, just another well-armed paranoid schizophrenic.

335 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:48:08pm

re: #322 Romantic Heretic

Hell is pleased with Bishop Paprocki.

Not sure about that. He's got good support, and he's not talking out his ass doctrine-wise.

336 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:49:16pm

re: #294 A Mom Anon

The debates are going to be AWESOME. I'm stocking up on beer and snacks.

I don't ordinarily watch... but I think I will this time.

337 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:49:25pm

re: #335 Dark_Falcon

Not sure about that. He's got good support, and he's not talking out his ass doctrine-wise.

Catholic doctrine is that LGBT people should be jobless?

338 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:49:26pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

My gut feeling is that President Obama will win re-election; the Senate will stay in the hands of the Democratic Party, and the House Republican, though perhaps slightly diminished.

With Obama, it was the same gut feeling I had when saw Clinton being sworn-in for the first time...."He's a two-termer." It's just a gut feeling, instinct.

Romney's been running for President since 2007. So this is his turn; though the economy is hardly doing well, for whatever reason I can't for the life figure out, he's not doing as well as he should be, in theory. He can't seem to break 50% nationally, thus far at least. Of course, the debates are coming up, and it is possible that things may change; I never say never when it comes to politics.

339 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:51:10pm

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

though the economy is hardly doing well, for whatever reason I can't for the life figure out, he's not doing as well as he should be, in theory. He can't seem to break 50% nationally, thus far at least. Of course, the debates are coming up, and it is possible that things may change; I never say never when it comes to politics.

It's because of the prejudice against artificial life forms./

340 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:52:12pm

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

I think American politics are fascinating. It's interesting to eavesdrop on people. The election, candidates, and the economy seem to be all everyone is talking about.

341 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:52:52pm

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

Romney's been running for President since 2007. So this is his turn; though the economy is hardly doing well, for whatever reason I can't for the life figure out, he's not doing as well as he should be, in theory. He can't seem to break 50% nationally, thus far at least. Of course, the debates are coming up, and it is possible that things may change; I never say never when it comes to politics.

Well, I'm guessing it has to do with the fact that he has no concrete policy positions outside of those that the American people (who are not quite as stupid as we usually think) remember put us into this tire fire in the first place.

Just a hunch.

342 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:52:57pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Artur Davis was our shining prince.

///Waaaa! You didn't provide a link. I actually had to take the time to Google his name. You vicious bastard.

Channeling EdDantes

343 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:53:20pm
344 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:53:56pm

re: #334 aagcobb

According to the article, just another well-armed paranoid schizophrenic.

Oh, a GOP Delegate. Got it.

345 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:54:05pm

George Weigel
Project for the New American Century, PNAC, original signer

PNAC of course was instrumental in pushing for war with Iraq. A war that we now know was based on faulty, some would say fraudulent intelligence.

A war that also led to death of over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. Some say much more.

If I were God I'd send George Weigel to purgatory.

IMO//

346 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:54:13pm

re: #343 darthstar

"Polls go up, polls go down, you can't explain that." -- W.M. Romney

347 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:56:43pm

re: #343 darthstar

There is a weird feeling like he hasn't started yet. It's very Fred Thompson.

348 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #346 erik_t

"Polls go up, polls go down, you can't explain that." -- W.M. Romney

There are lots of things Romney can't explain.



349 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:57:45pm

re: #337 aagcobb

Catholic doctrine is that LGBT people should be jobless?

Yep. They're also pro-war and pro-death penalty.

//

350 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:58:28pm

re: #339 aagcobb

It's because of the prejudice against artificial life forms./

You'll catch it for saying a good word about such abominations when Kragar gets back. He'll sic his Space Marines on you for certain!

/Warhammer 40K gag

351 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:59:18pm

re: #329 Dark_Falcon

You're right that Barry Goldwater was not the raving lunatic he was made out to be. I'd daresay by current GOP standards, he might even be considered a RINO. With Alger Hiss, Prof. Hofstaeder's work was written long before the release of the VERONA docs, and that hinges on whether or not Hiss was ALES.

It's possible he was. But then again, maybe not; personally, I'd want to see irrefutable evidence explicitly naming Hiss as a Soviet agent. But yes, the possibility of that outcome is distinct.

I take a very objective view of politics. For me, it's not so much a life-or-death matter. It's the great game. I would be considered roughly centrist, with left tendencies on some matters, and right tendencies on others.

352 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:59:44pm

re: #348 darthstar

There are lots of things Romney can't explain.

Why he nor his 5 sons has ever served in the military but he's ready to send you & your children to bomb Iran

His sons are serving their country by trying to help him get elected.

No, really.

353 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 3:59:50pm

Image: EXORCISM-popup.jpg

Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield, Ill., in Baltimore on Friday at a conference on exorcism. He organized the two-day event

354 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:00:13pm

re: #339 aagcobb

It's because of the prejudice against artificial life forms./

Ah....the "Uncanny Valley Effect".

An interesting theory.

355 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:00:48pm

For Catholics, Interest in Exorcism Is Revived
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: November 12, 2010

The rite of exorcism, rendered gory by Hollywood and ridiculed by many modern believers, has largely fallen out of favor in the Roman Catholic Church in the United States.

There are only a handful of priests in the country trained as exorcists, but they say they are overwhelmed with requests from people who fear they are possessed by the Devil.

Now, American bishops are holding a conference on Friday and Saturday to prepare more priests and bishops to respond to the demand. The purpose is not necessarily to revive the practice, the organizers say, but to help Catholic clergy members learn how to distinguish who really needs an exorcism from who really needs a psychiatrist, or perhaps some pastoral care.

“Not everyone who thinks they need an exorcism actually does need one,” said Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki of Springfield, Ill., who organized the conference. “It’s only used in those cases where the Devil is involved in an extraordinary sort of way in terms of actually being in possession of the person.

“But it’s rare, it’s extraordinary, so the use of exorcism is also rare and extraordinary,” he said. “But we have to be prepared.”

356 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:01:08pm

re: #353 Gus

Image: EXORCISM-popup.jpg

Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Springfield, Ill., in Baltimore on Friday at a conference on exorcism. He organized the two-day event

Image: image007.jpg
I win.

357 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:01:12pm

re: #351 Dr Lizardo

You're right that Barry Goldwater was not the raving lunatic he was made out to be. I'd daresay by current GOP standards, he might even be considered a RINO. With Alger Hiss, Prof. Hofstaeder's work was written long before the release of the VERONA docs, and that hinges on whether or not Hiss was ALES.

It's possible he was. But then again, maybe not; personally, I'd want to see irrefutable evidence explicitly naming Hiss as a Soviet agent. But yes, the possibility of that outcome is distinct.

I take a very objective view of politics. For me, it's not so much a life-or-death matter. It's the great game. I would be considered roughly centrist, with left tendencies on some matters, and right tendencies on others.

No, between Venona and Whittaker Chamber's Witness, Hiss's guilt is clearly established.

358 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:02:52pm
359 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:03:52pm

re: #358 darthstar

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Those are about as balanced as the numbers from most EdShow polls...which I also dismiss as not exactly scientific.

360 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:04:40pm

re: #355 Gus

For Catholics, Interest in Exorcism Is Revived
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: November 12, 2010

And in hosting that event Bishop Paprocki was making the point that exorcism is only to be used in extreme cases and is not a substitute for psychological counseling and medical care. He was smacking down the charlatans and those who view mental illness as "demon possession". He's not a villain in so doing.

361 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:04:58pm

re: #356 Varek Raith

Image: image007.jpg
I win.

Thought you might like. Give you some ideas...

Laughing Til the Bitter End: The Coffee Table Book of Doom
Book takes light-hearted, but scientific look at how the world will end

362 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:05:28pm

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

And in hosting that event Bishop Paprocki was making the point that exorcism is only to be used in extreme cases and is not a substitute for psychological counseling and medical care. He was smacking down the charlatans and those who view mental illness as "demon possession". He's not a villain in so doing.

I'm saying he's a villain. Just a douche. ;)

363 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:05:39pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

No, between Venona and Whittaker Chamber's Witness, Hiss's guilt is clearly established.

I've never read Witness; I'll have to check it out.

I guess what I meant is that I'd like to see from a Soviet source is a document naming Hiss as a Soviet intelligence operative. Of course, the Soviets being what they were, I concede that may be a remote possibility. They were quite good a keeping secrets......secret. And their modern, non-Soviet intelligence services are likely following in that tradition.

364 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:05:46pm

re: #360 Dark_Falcon

And in hosting that event Bishop Paprocki was making the point that exorcism is only to be used in extreme cases and is not a substitute for psychological counseling and medical care. He was smacking down the charlatans and those who view mental illness as "demon possession". He's not a villain in so doing.

Extreme cases of what?

365 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:06:52pm

So what's the emergency procedure for the end of the world? Like an exorcism what's the equal for say, climate change. A climate change prayer?

366 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:08:46pm

re: #347 Obdicut

There is a weird feeling like he hasn't started yet. It's very Fred Thompson.

I know. I was reading that Obama has run 10,000 more ads than Romney in Ohio and Florida. What happened to that massive money advantage Willard was supposed to have?

367 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:08:53pm

I've got to go in about 15-20 minutes, so I'm going to post some Comedic DERP for your entertainment before I leave. First off we've got Ralph Nader, proving he's a loon yet again:

It’s no surprise that Ralph Nader isn’t a fan of former President George W. Bush. After all, the longtime activist ran against him in both 2000 and 2004. But Nader’s even less a fan of President Barack Obama, if only because he thinks Obama was capable of so much more.

On issues related to the military and foreign policy, Obama’s worse than Bush, “in the sense that he’s more aggressive, more illegal worldwide,” Nader told POLITICO, going so far as to call Obama a “war criminal.”

“He’s gone beyond George W. Bush in drones, for example. He thinks the world is his plate, that national sovereignties mean nothing, drones can go anywhere. They can kill anybody that he suspects and every Tuesday he makes the call on who lives and who dies, supposed suspects in places like Yemen and Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that is a war crime and he ought to be held to account.”

Nader called Obama “below average because he raised expectation levels. What expectation level did George W. Bush raise?… He’s below average because he’s above average in his intellect and his knowledge of legality, which is violating with abandon.”

DERP!

368 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:09:08pm

Even the Malkins can now recognize their candidate's incompetence:

369 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:09:35pm

re: #365 Gus

So what's the emergency procedure for the end of the world? Like an exorcism what's the equal for say, climate change. A climate change prayer?

Wish I was at work

We have a very comprehensive company guide to all types of emergency procedures that I would link for you.

Diesel fuel spills
Radio Frequency leakage
Battery leakage
Hurricanes, floods, tornadoes
We even have a section in the case of a Godzilla Attack!!

370 garhighway  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:10:08pm

re: #338 Dr Lizardo

My gut feeling is that President Obama will win re-election; the Senate will stay in the hands of the Democratic Party, and the House Republican, though perhaps slightly diminished.

With Obama, it was the same gut feeling I had when saw Clinton being sworn-in for the first time...."He's a two-termer." It's just a gut feeling, instinct.

Romney's been running for President since 2007. So this is his turn; though the economy is hardly doing well, for whatever reason I can't for the life figure out, he's not doing as well as he should be, in theory. He can't seem to break 50% nationally, thus far at least. Of course, the debates are coming up, and it is possible that things may change; I never say never when it comes to politics.

The books that come out of this campaign will be interesting. There are so many "what if's". What if Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels had run? What if Mitt had run without flip-flopping? What if Mitt had been aggressive from the beginning instead of acting like the economy would turn his campaign into a coronation?

And who knows? This could still get close, I suppose.

371 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:10:39pm

re: #293 Mr. Crankypants

The problem is that the GOP has constantly felt they didn't have to work all that hard to present an alternative vision because their opponent was blah. The sad thing is that Obama has repeatedly handed them their ass when push came to shove and there was substantive discussion of the issues.

Actually I think it wasn't the majority, I think it was the base.

I believe that what both base and majority thought was that since the economy sucked their victory was inevitable. Race was just the clincher.

372 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:12:15pm

Bishop Paprocki: Voting Democratic puts Soul at Risk, Party backs "Intrinsic Evils"

Youtube Video

I like this comment:

A religious man scaring people with hell to get them to do what he wants?! Color me shocked!

373 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:12:36pm

And for some comedy gold we have our 'old friend' Rush Limbaugh:

Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday that voters should ignore “bogus” swing-state polls that show President Barack Obama pulling away from GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, blaming pollsters for “oversampling” Democrats and accusing them of “trying to get this election finished” before the debates by “suppressing your vote and depressing you.”

SNIP

“It’s not over! It hasn’t even really begun yet. I don’t want anybody thinking this is over. I don’t want anybody falling for this. I’ll analyze these polls and explain to you why they’re bogus,” the conservative radio host said on his program, according to a transcript.

Limbaugh said the polls were part of a Democratic strategy to lower Republicans’ voter enthusiasm ahead of the debates, which begin Oct. 3, and to suppress GOP turnout ahead of the Nov. 6 election.

“They’re trying to wrap this up before the debates even start because I think they’re worried about the debates,” Limbaugh said. “I think they’re trying to get this election finished and in the can by suppressing your vote and depressing you so that you just don’t think there’s any reason to vote, that it’s hopeless. They want you making other plans.”

Ain't no DERP like a Limbaugh DERP!

374 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:13:15pm

re: #367 Dark_Falcon

I've got to go in about 15-20 minutes, so I'm going to post some Comedic DERP for your entertainment before I leave. First off we've got Ralph Nader, proving he's a loon yet again:

DERP!

Naderp

375 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:13:30pm

re: #369 sattv4u2

Wish I was at work

We have a very comprehensive company guide to all types of emergency procedures that I would link for you.

Diesel fuel spills
Radio Frequency leakage
Battery leakage
Hurricanes, floods, tornadoes
We even have a section in the case of a Godzilla Attack!!

In Case of Attack by Godzilla: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!

376 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:14:12pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

In Case of Attack by Godzilla: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!

One line states (paraphrase)

Don't shoot at Godzilla. It only pisses him off.

377 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:14:20pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

In Case of Attack by Godzilla: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!

I thought you were supposed to run into a balsa wood building.

378 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:15:12pm

No. People won't be going to hell for voting Republican.

379 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:16:06pm

re: #375 Dark_Falcon

In Case of Attack by Godzilla: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!

Rule #1: Get the Hell out of Tokyo!

Youtube Video
380 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:16:24pm

re: #358 darthstar

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Wait. At a defacto republican rally they still had people saying Obama would win?

Yep, Romney's doomed.

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:16:24pm

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

No, between Venona and Whittaker Chamber's Witness, Hiss's guilt is clearly established.

That's what the Soviets want you to think. It still amazes me that they've managed to keep secret that their best agent in the US at the time was the junior senator from Wisconsin. It was his mission to spread disinformation and chaos to disrupt the democratic process. Once DIA figured it out, that's why Ike took him out so ruthlessly.

.

.

.

What?

/// I have pondered writing that bit of alt history as a spy novel.

382 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:18:45pm

lololololololololololololololololololol

383 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:19:46pm

re: #382 JamesWI

Did he pull it out of a hat? //

384 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:20:53pm

re: #382 JamesWI

lololololololololololololololololololol

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Image: double_facepalm.jpg

385 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:21:02pm

re: #383 PhillyPretzel

Did he pull it out of a hat? //

Yes, an asshat.

BBL

386 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:21:23pm

Dick Morris LOL!

387 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:22:11pm

re: #384 Gert Fröbe

Image: double_facepalm.jpg

I counter:

388 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:22:57pm

re: #382 JamesWI

lololololololololololololololololololol

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I can hardly wait to see what the nutters babbling about skewed polls say the day after the election.

389 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:23:41pm

re: #388 aagcobb

They will be demanding a recount. /half kidding.

390 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:24:47pm

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

That would be awesome as an alternative history novel.

391 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:25:25pm
392 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:26:23pm

Ah well

Dinner, a nap, a shower, then the long quiet drive to work

Laterz

393 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:26:51pm

re: #387 erik_t

I counter:

There's always this: Image: facepalm_.jpg

394 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:27:08pm

re: #224 Tigger2

It couldn't be that most Americans have figured out the movie is full of lies and bullshit.

And probably really boring.

395 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:27:44pm

Down is up, mass hysteria, dogs and cats, etc.

“Ed, do you buy into this theory, and there are some people on the right who say, look, mainstream media is going to talk down Romney's chances of winning. They're going to show Mr. Obama way up in the polls just to tamp down enthusiasm so Republicans go, ‘You know, why even bother voting because it's a foregone conclusion the guy’s going to get four more years?’” Doocy said.

“Well," Gillespie replied, "we have a no whining rule in Boston about coverage in the media. We just deal with the facts.”

396 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:27:47pm

re: #361 Gus

Thought you might like. Give you some ideas...

Laughing Til the Bitter End: The Coffee Table Book of Doom
Book takes light-hearted, but scientific look at how the world will end

XD

397 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:27:59pm

re: #382 JamesWI

lololololololololololololololololololol

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morris' analysis

polling assumes democrats will turn out like 2008, but morris psychically knows this won't happen because shut up and how would that change the numbers exactly i. said. shut. up.

rassmussen is the only true gospel of polling and it only shows obama 1 or 2 points ahead in ohio and virginia and florida and nevada

therefore romney is winning because the wind will be coming from the right on election day and the chickens will all lean in the same direction, tipping romney ahead in all the swing states that even rassmussen puts him behind in

qed! [x]

398 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:28:35pm

re: #388 aagcobb

I can hardly wait to see what the nutters babbling about skewed polls say the day after the election.

They'll insist the "skewed polls" were incorrect, and the through massive voter fraud, President Obama stole the election.

I see that trope already being developed. Simply put, the wingnuts can never allow themselves to be wrong.

399 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:28:37pm

re: #365 Gus

So what's the emergency procedure for the end of the world? Like an exorcism what's the equal for say, climate change. A climate change prayer?

Kiss your ass goodbye seems apropos.

400 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:29:20pm

re: #399 Varek Raith

Kiss your ass goodbye seems apropos.

I knew I should have taken up yoga.

401 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:29:26pm

re: #399 Varek Raith

Kiss your ass goodbye seems apropos.

Rapture!

Youtube Video
402 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:30:24pm

re: #393 Dr Lizardo

There's always this: Image: facepalm_.jpg

Image: implied-facepalm1.jpg

403 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:30:39pm

re: #397 engineer cat

morris' analysis

polling assumes democrats will turn out like 2008, but morris psychically knows this won't happen because shut up and how would that change the numbers exactly i. said. shut. up.

rassmussen is the only true gospel of polling and it only shows obama 1 or 2 points ahead in ohio and virginia and florida and nevada

therefore romney is winning because the wind will be coming from the right on election day and the chickens will all lean in the same direction, tipping romney ahead in all the swing states that even rassmussen puts him behind in

qed! [x]

You left out the best part of his analysis. Any state where Obama doesn't have over 50% in the polls, Obama will lose. Doesn't matter if it's 49%-39 in favor of Obama, 100% of the undecideds will vote for Romney.

404 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:32:32pm

re: #403 JamesWI

You left out the best part of his analysis. Any state where Obama doesn't have over 50% in the polls, Obama will lose. Doesn't matter if it's 49%-39 in favor of Obama, 100% of the undecideds will vote for Romney.

Well, it's not like Morris has any credibility left to lose. May as well go full throttle.

405 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:32:41pm

re: #402 Varek Raith

I'm actually quite good at doing that particular look. It usually appears when one of my students says something so outlandish that even a lunatic would be hard-pressed to swallow it.

406 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:33:30pm

re: #403 JamesWI

You left out the best part of his analysis. Any state where Obama doesn't have over 50% in the polls, Obama will lose. Doesn't matter if it's 49%-39 in favor of Obama, 100% of the undecideds will vote for Romney.

I wonder what color the sky is on the planet Mr. Morris lives on?

407 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:33:48pm

re: #405 Dr Lizardo

I'm actually quite good at doing that particular look. It usually appears when one of my students says something so outlandish that even a lunatic would be hard-pressed to swallow it.

See also, too: "You lost another submarine?"

408 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:35:28pm

re: #407 erik_t

See also, too: "You lost another submarine?"

A guy in my rpg group lost an entire fleet...
XD

409 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:36:17pm

re: #408 Varek Raith

A guy in my rpg group lost an entire fleet...
XD

What happened, did a wormhole open up and swallow them?

410 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:37:21pm

re: #409 Targetpractice

What happened, did a wormhole open up and swallow them?

Using capital ships in a very low planetary orbit.
Gravity is a bitch.

411 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:37:28pm

re: #407 erik_t

See also, too: "You lost another submarine?"

Or a former student of mine (let's just call her Lenka) who somehow managed to lose, over the course of five weeks, six Apple iPhone 4's. And wrecked her car, a brand new Skoda Superb. Two weeks after it was purchased for her. Because she was drunk. On her 20th birthday.

Why her father kept buying her new things was beyond me.

412 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:37:39pm

re: #395 erik_t

I think Ed Gillespie called Steve Doocey a whiner. LOL. Or am I reading that wrong?

413 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:37:47pm

re: #406 Dr Lizardo

I wonder what color the sky is on the planet Mr. Morris lives on?

Coal-black...like his heart.

414 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:38:24pm

Trying to apply Newtonian physics to Star Wars is fun.
;)

415 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:38:47pm

re: #410 Varek Raith

Using capital ships in a very low planetary orbit.
Gravity is a bitch.

Whoops!

416 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:39:06pm

Coming from a person who has never played WoW before, does anyone else find it hilarious that their newest expansion is essentially "Kung Fu Panda"?

417 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:39:11pm

Uh oh. Julian Assange said something.

418 garhighway  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:39:17pm

re: #379 aagcobb

Rule #1: Get the Hell out of Tokyo!

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Interesting thing: on 9/11, I watched from my office building downtown (on Water Street, over by the East River) when the first tower fell. The debris cloud came shooting across Manhattan on the cross streets like Fulton St and Maiden Lane. The crowds running away from that debris cloud looked just like those scenes from Godzilla and the other flicks in that genre. Those movies may have been cheesy, but in those scenes they got it right.

419 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:39:55pm

re: #413 Gert Fröbe

Coal-black...like his heart.

Ah, so Mr. Morris is a denizen of Giedi Prime? I never knew he was a Harkonnen. He must dye his hair.

420 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:40:03pm

re: #410 Varek Raith

Using capital ships in a very low planetary orbit.
Gravity is a bitch.

Yeah, when the engines go, you got nowhere to go but down.

421 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:40:32pm

re: #417 Gus

Uh oh. Julian Assange said something.

Sorry, that was me. Beans last night.

422 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:41:25pm

re: #417 Gus

Alright who mouth did his foot land in? Another words who got it this time?

423 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:41:37pm

re: #421 erik_t

Sorry, that was me. Beans last night.

It appears that Assange's "speech" included some sort of lecture towards Obama. Something about, time for action.

424 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:41:57pm

re: #422 PhillyPretzel

Alright who mouth did his foot land in? Another words who got it this time?

Obama!

425 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:42:46pm

re: #422 PhillyPretzel

Alright who mouth did his foot land in? Another words who got it this time?

426 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:43:47pm

re: #420 Targetpractice

Yeah, when the engines go, you got nowhere to go but down.

He wasn't amused to find out a SD's engines were not sufficient to escape the gravity of a massive gas giant.

427 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:44:23pm

re: #426 Varek Raith

He wasn't amused to find out a SD's engines were not sufficient to escape the gravity of a massive gas giant.

Oooh, nasty. Didn't so much crash as slowly get crushed to death. Bad way to go.

428 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:44:50pm
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429 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:46:00pm

re: #427 Targetpractice

Oooh, nasty. Didn't so much crash as slowly get crushed to death. Bad way to go.

Yep. The D20 ruleset has some basic physics. We just expanded it to be as realistic as possible.
Not really Star Wars anymore movement wise. But fun.
Heh.

430 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:46:34pm

re: #396 Varek Raith

XD

I preferred the B5 ending. The Sun going Super Nova. But Humans going Vorlon.

Youtube Video
431 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:48:26pm

re: #426 Varek Raith

He wasn't amused to find out a SD's engines were not sufficient to escape the gravity of a massive gas giant.

Well that's... silly. Even a moderately low orbit puts you halfway to anywhere, with no particular minimum thrust to do so.

432 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:48:59pm

re: #425 Gus

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You can read the rest of this guy's timeline. It's rather annoying.

433 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:49:03pm

re: #425 Gus

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Time for Obama to change Assange into an orange jumpsuit.

434 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:49:26pm

re: #401 Gus

Rapture!

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ROTFLMAO!

That was harsh. Funny, but harsh.

435 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:50:35pm

re: #407 erik_t

See also, too: "You lost another submarine?"

+1 for the Hunt For Red October reference.

436 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:51:57pm

re: #429 Varek Raith

Yep. The D20 ruleset has some basic physics. We just expanded it to be as realistic as possible.
Not really Star Wars anymore movement wise. But fun.
Heh.

Realistically, under physics as we currently understand them, a SD would be a very slow-moving hulk.

437 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:52:41pm

re: #431 erik_t

Well that's... silly. Even a moderately low orbit puts you halfway to anywhere, with no particular minimum thrust to do so.

He didn't know that.
;)

438 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:52:58pm

re: #436 Targetpractice

That is why in the Honorverse she goes for the high orbitals.

439 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:54:33pm

Brace yourselves, more Mo' movies are coming...
Is Islam's prophet Muhammad to have more screen time?

A second film in preproduction is the work of Ali Sina, an atheist raised Muslim in Iran. A prominent critic of Islam, he maintains websites that promote what he calls "the truth" about the religion.

To date he says he has raised $2 million from Southern California investors for the film, which does not yet have a title but will portray the prophet as a cult leader in the vein of David Koresh or Jim Jones. He hopes to raise a total of $10 million, he said, and begin filming next year.

Now a resident of Canada, Sina began contemplating a biopic about Muhammad a decade ago, but stepped up his effort in the last two years as technological advances made it feasible to circumvent government censors and wary exhibitors.

"We can bypass theaters completely and sell the movie online with a profit to a large number of people, especially Muslims," Sina said. "They can download it and watch it even if they are living in Karachi or Mecca or Medina."

As movies, music, art, literature become more free of corporate influence we're going to see a lot more freedom of expression. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. In the end I think it will be very positive for the arts to be done with corporate influence.

440 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:56:33pm

re: #433 Killgore Trout

Time for Obama to change Assange into an orange jumpsuit.

Sweden needs to stop fucking around. I seriously doubt that the USA has any interest in pursuing Assange or Wikileaks. That's a conspiracy theory being promoted by Wikileaks itself since it increases contributions to their organization. Manning of course is a different story. So, Sweden needs to stop playing the prima donna so they can get this squared away. The end result is that we won't have to keep hearing from the cult leader, Julian Assange, with such intensity. We have to be careful about creating martyrs. Do I want peace and change? Certainly. But I'm in no way interested in change being brought under the terms of the Wikileaks cult.

441 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:57:43pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Brace yourselves, more Mo' movies are coming...
Is Islam's prophet Muhammad to have more screen time?

As movies, music, art, literature become more free of corporate influence we're going to see a lot more freedom of expression. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. In the end I think it will be very positive for the arts to be done with corporate influence.

Huh. On a par with Koresh's Waco compound?

Last I heard there were over a billion Muslims around the world. That's some cult!

Oh, and an uplifting Yom Kippur to our Jewish cohort.

442 Kragar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:58:27pm

re: #436 Targetpractice

Realistically, under physics as we currently understand them, a SD would be a very slow-moving hulk.

All the cool kids have space hulks

443 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 4:59:31pm

re: #440 Gus

Sweden needs to stop fucking around. I seriously doubt that the USA has any interest in pursuing Assange or Wikileaks. That's a conspiracy theory being promoted by Wikileaks itself since it increases contributions to their organization. Manning of course is a different story. So, Sweden needs to stop play the prima donna so they can get this squared away. The end result is that we won't have to keep hearing from the cult leader, Julian Assange, with such intensity. We have to be careful about creating martyrs. Do I want peace and change? Certainly. But I'm in no way interested in change being brought under the terms of the Wikileaks cult.

Maybe, but I find it hard to imagine Assange will be allowed to continue with his work. Somebody will get him, one way or the other. There's just some stuff you can't mess around with.

444 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:00:46pm
Youtube Video

Do it yourself videos (this won a contest by moveon) of people responding to Romneys's 47% bullshit.

Please watch.

445 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:07:27pm

re: #443 Killgore Trout

Maybe, but I find it hard to imagine Assange will be allowed to continue with his work. Somebody will get him, one way or the other. There's just some stuff you can't mess around with.

Well. For one it would involve Australia. If Assange was an American citizen it would be a different story. It would be tried in a civilian court as it should be. That being the case it would somewhat expose some rather embarrassing aspects of the Iraq War at some points. The other thing being that it would also give ammunition to critics of America. I don't think it's worth the time and trouble.

446 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:12:44pm

The more I think about the Akin thing, the more I think they must have polling data that has them panicking that even the evangelical crazy base isn't motivated to vote. They need those folks to show up for down-ticket races. I still think it will backfire, and hope it costs them the House too. People like Tommy Thompson won't be able to blame Mitt Romney for embracing Akin.

447 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:15:19pm

I'm out.
Half asleep already.
Later.

448 freetoken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:21:45pm

Romney: Obama engaged in "character assassination"

Mitt Romney told CBS News Wednesday that despite calls from conservatives to be more aggressive, he is not going to engage in a campaign of "character assassination" - despite the Obama campaign's willingness to do so.

"This is a campaign, not about character assassination, even though that's what I think has come from the Obama camp by and large," Romney told CBS News' Jan Crawford before a rally in Toledo, Ohio. Crawford asked Romney if he was saying the Obama campaign was engaged in character assassination.

"Oh yeah, sure, they try and completely misrepresent my point of view, along with why I'm in this race," he said.

[....]

Uh huh...

Later, Crawford asked Romney if the mainstream media is "in the tank for President Obama," as many conservatives allege.

"Well, I think we have a system of free press, people are able to provide their own perspective based on their own beliefs, I think there's some people who are more in my camp, there's a lot of people who are more in his camp, and I don't worry about that," Romney responded.

Pressed, Romney added: "I don't think anybody in my business thinks they wouldn't like to re-write the stories, and write the media accounts in a way that's more favorable to them, but I don't worry about that. I take my message out, I know I'll have a chance through ads, through the debates, to get my message home to the American people."

[...]

His "business".

Romney sees this whole thing as a "business".

This is not a gaffe. This is Mitt Romney.

449 freetoken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:32:49pm

Men on the mind: Study finds male DNA in women's brains

For this research, scientists examined brain autopsy specimens from 59 women who had died between the ages of 32 and 101. Male microchimerism was detected in 63 percent of subjects, was distributed in multiple brain regions and was potentially persistent throughout the human lifespan; the oldest female in whom male fetal DNA was detected in the brain was 94.

I'm sure this could be the basis of a story or two.

450 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:35:20pm

re: #448 freetoken

Romney: Obama engaged in "character assassination"

Uh huh...

His "business".

Romney sees this whole thing as a "business".

This is not a gaffe. This is Mitt Romney.

DARVO

451 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:35:42pm

re 448: freetoken

Romney sees this whole thing as a "business".

This is not a gaffe. This is Mitt Romney.

Mitt's business experience was from being a "knight in shining armor" who saved failing companies, or maybe he was a corporate raider that only saved them to carve them up, but either way, he always negotiated from strength and he is accustomed to people on the other side of the table being very polite and appreciative that Mitt himself is stooping to intervene on their behalf.

That's why Mitt is lashing out now. He can't handle the rejection.

452 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:36:49pm

I just registered with VoteRides.COM

Via a tweet I got. Providing rides on election day. I'll take off & drive all day. Hopefully it gets out there.

453 dragonath  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:37:53pm

Has anyone ever noticed how bizarre Buzzfeed comments are? There's a section of insane wingnut comments from Facebook, then a line of liberal comments hosted by the site itself.

For example:

Also does anybody know why ALL liberals are weirdos? They're either gay, ugly, fat, transgender, don't take showers, have speech impediments, cross dress, have full facial hair that never is trimmed, all tattooed and pierced up or hundreds of other oddball behaviors!

then...

Dear commentators on this page: if you want to convince people that your political opinions are right and theirs are wrong, why not just clearly state all the facts that argue in favour of your opinion rather than insulting the other person 10 times in one sentence.

Sigh.

454 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:39:02pm

What the hell. Flash has been a nightmare since last night. Even after uninstalling and reinstalling this morning. Make my mouse go nuts. It's freaking annoying.

455 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:39:52pm

Study finds male DNA in women's brains

write your own joke

456 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:41:26pm

re: #454 Gus

What the hell. Flash has been a nightmare since last night. Even after uninstalling and reinstalling this morning. Make my mouse go nuts. It's freaking annoying.

the part of my brain that still lives in 1958 finds this whole narrative incomprehensible and disturbing

457 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:41:34pm

re: #452 We're All Welfare Queens Now

I just registered with VoteRides.COM

Via a tweet I got. Providing rides on election day. I'll take off & drive all day. Hopefully it gets out there.

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You just earned a spot in my "This is how it's done" file.

458 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:42:47pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the part of my brain that still lives in 1958 finds this whole narrative incomprehensible and disturbing

Makes me want to pull out a sledge hammer.

459 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:43:39pm

Later, lizards.

460 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:43:59pm

re: #457 wrenchwench

You just earned a spot in my "This is how it's done" file.

I am so trailing D-Deb, but he's my inspiration.

462 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:50:05pm

re: #458 Gus

Makes me want to pull out a sledge hammer.

generally, when at work i deal with these things by hitting the arm of the aeron chair five times very quickly and vigorously while saying "fuck!"

463 sagehen  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:54:16pm

Cherokee Chief Demands Apology From Scott Brown

Bill John Baker, chief of the Cherokee Nation, is demanding that Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) apologize after a video surfaced showing members of his staff make tomahawk chops and “Indian war whoops” at Elizabeth Warren supporters, reports the New York Times:

“The conduct of these individuals goes far beyond what is appropriate and proper in political discourse,” the chief, Bill John Baker, said in a statement. “The use of stereotypical ‘war whoop chants’ and ‘tomahawk chops’ are offensive and downright racist. It is those types of actions that perpetuate negative stereotypes and continue to minimize and degrade all native peoples.”

464 freetoken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:55:10pm

First look inside the ark in Darren Aronofsky's Noah movie

It will be received as a documentary by some, I suppose.

465 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:55:15pm

re: #461 Gus

Bob Beckel Calls Out Fox News' Obsession With Rev. Wright

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Now mah head hurtz.

466 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 5:56:34pm

Evening folks. What's up, other than the usual?

I have some advice based on my experience the last month or so. If you ever live in the same, big, house for 20 years, try to plan to die there instead of moving, to a smaller one.

Having said that, all is well and it was a good thing and I am sitting here with the crickets on the porch, a beer and my IPad, and happy, and I highly recommend vacuum pack back bags when downsizing.

Cheers.

467 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:05:57pm

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468 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:05:58pm

You know, the obsession with Elizabeth Warren's Native American ancestry is bizarre to me.
So, she looks white, but I'll tell you, when I went to a Native American festival for my Cultural Anthro. class in college, nearly all of the people in the ceremony had light hair, and light eyes. Some were even blonde.
These were full members of the tribe.

The point is, you shouldn't/can't go by looks when it comes to determining a person's heritage.

If Scott Brown and his lackeys had a bit of sense, they would be ashamed of themselves.
But they don't.

469 freetoken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:06:40pm

re: #468 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Genetics iz hard.

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:06:53pm

re: #467 Gus

Image: 2007091.jpg

Ah, Me-109 POV...

471 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:07:12pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Here's the money shot from "The Paranoid Style in American Politics";

The paranoid style is not confined to our own country and time; it is an international phenomenon. Studying the millennial sects of Europe from the eleventh to the sixteenth century, Norman Cohn believed he found a persistent psychic complex that corresponds broadly with what I have been considering—a style made up of certain preoccupations and fantasies: “the megalomaniac view of oneself as the Elect, wholly good, abominably persecuted, yet assured of ultimate triumph; the attribution of gigantic and demonic powers to the adversary; the refusal to accept the ineluctable limitations and imperfections of human existence, such as transience, dissention, conflict, fallibility whether intellectual or moral; the obsession with inerrable prophecies…systematized misinterpretations, always gross and often grotesque.”

Yes, that sounds like a fairly accurate description of what I see when I lurk at FR or read Breitbart or RedState and other RWNJ sites. Pam Gellar's site springs to mind immediately.

I don't know how anyone could believe this is "confined to our own country and time." In fact it used to be something most Americans defined themselves AGAINST--"We in America believe in reason, compromise, common sense, moderation, finding solutions that work for all, vs. the extremism and radicalism we see elsewhere." There have been times that attitude has been tested--the Civil War, the Great Depression, the Red Scare--but we always pulled back before falling off the cliff (even the Civil War and its aftermath could have been far worse). All my life I've never worried that the U.S. could succumb to extremism but I'm no longer so sure. Why? Because so many people are untutored in logical thinking, because so many people are untutored in history, because so many people want fast, easy solutions, because so many people childishly want it "my way, now" instead of having a sober adult outlook that embraces tolerance and compromise and accepts that you can't always get exactly what you want.

We also have churches that are deeply invested in keeping their members from thinking critically, for fear of losing them. They encourage dishonest, illogical, fallacious thinking and arguments against Biblical scholarship, evolution, etc. It's not surprising that this carefully inculcated contempt for facts and reason in favor of blind faith spills over into politics.

472 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:07:28pm

re: #469 freetoken

Genetics iz hard.

Brazil would cause heads to asplode!

473 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:09:27pm

Just got off the phone and it looks like a made another sale. I haven't crunched the numbers yet but it looks like I made more money in the past two weeks and I've ever made in a year! (that's not saying a whole lot, I've been very poor in my adult life). It's a bit short notice to make it to auction in London for the end of October but I might even look into business class. I could use the deduction this year.

474 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:09:54pm

re: #470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Ah, Me-109 POV...

I was watching some old gun footage from the Germans during WWII. Depressing and sad.

475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:11:57pm

re: #474 Gus

I was watching some old gun footage from the Germans during WWII. Depressing and sad.

Watching a lot of footage like that requires some sense of detachment since if you start thinking about most of it is young men killing other men or dropping piles of bombs that are going to kill civilians.

476 erik_t  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:13:30pm

re: #475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Watching a lot of footage like that requires some sense of detachment since if you start thinking about most of it is young men killing other men or dropping piles of bombs that are going to kill civilians.

I dunno, I can go all Nazi-handwave on most any of the WW2 material.

Vietnam footage hits me much more strongly.

477 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:14:07pm

re: #471 Tigger2005

Other than climate, this is probably the human condition that destroys civilizations, but it doesn't need so many big words to describe; ignorance and stupidity will do nicely.

478 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:15:30pm

re: #475 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Watching a lot of footage like that requires some sense of detachment since if you start thinking about most of it is young men killing other men or dropping piles of bombs that are going to kill civilians.

I can't. Those were my guys on my side.

479 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:15:47pm

re: #476 erik_t

I dunno, I can go all Nazi-handwave on most any of the WW2 material.

Vietnam footage hits me much more strongly.

A lot of archive footage is German-made, so it's not "Nazis" getting shot up or bombed. Gus was referring to footage from German aircraft gun cameras showing B-17s getting shot up.

480 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:16:48pm

re: #474 Gus

I was watching some old gun footage from the Germans during WWII. Depressing and sad.

I always find the gun cam footage fascinating. Here's the modern version, it's a hell of a lot more scary.
U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight

Youtube Video

" I got a hit a total of 4 times. My helmet cam died and i made it down the mountain on my own. I was also hit in the side of my helmet and my eye pro was shot off of my face. We were doing overwatch on the village to recon and gather intel. I was point heading down the face of the hill with the LT. when we got hit. the rest of the squad was pinned down by machine gun fire. I didn't start the video until a few mins into the firefight for obvious reasons. I came out into the open to draw fire so my squad could get to safety."

"A round struck the tube by my hand of the 203 grenade launcher which knocked it out of my hands. When I picked the rifle back up it was still functional but the grenade launcher tube had a nice sized 7.62 cal bullet hole in it and was rendered useless. "

481 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:19:43pm

I just posted on craigslist, and will continue to do so every week

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH.

Need a ride to your voting booth? We will drive you. No charge, just good ol American community service.

Go to VoteRides.com

Enter your zip code.

Find a ride!! People are going to be driving all day.

It's your duty as a citizen to exercise your right, we're going to make it easier!

482 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:25:52pm

I just got called for a poll on the presidential and local congressional race, so I guess I skewed it./

483 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:28:37pm

Poll: Obama surges ahead among Catholic voters

On June 17, Obama held a slight edge over Mitt Romney among Catholics (49-47 percent), according to the Pew Research Center. Since then, Obama has surged ahead, and now leads 54-39 percent, according to a Pew poll conducted on Sept. 16.

484 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:30:53pm

re: #483 jaunte

Poll: Obama surges ahead among Catholic voters

That's a lot of Hell-bound Catholics!/

485 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:31:04pm

[Link: theobamadiary.com...]

Photos from Ohio today.

486 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:31:39pm

Stop over in Amsterdam...hmmm. Interesting possibilities.

487 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:32:04pm

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

Youtube Video
488 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:32:15pm

re: #484 aagcobb

That's a lot of Hell-bound Catholics!/

SANE, hell-bound Catholics. Who respect their fellow man/woman.

489 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:34:04pm

re: #486 Killgore Trout

Stop over in Amsterdam...hmmm. Interesting possibilities.

So what sort of sins are you into, hmmmmm?

490 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:34:30pm

re: #487 goddamnedfrank

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

[Embedded content]

Double facepalm!

491 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:34:49pm

re: #489 aagcobb

So what sort of sins are you into, hmmmmm?

Mayo on French fries. I can get weed here in Portland.

492 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:34:55pm

re: #489 aagcobb

So what sort of sins are you into, hmmmmm?

Depends on how much money KT has, right?

///

493 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:35:47pm

re: #485 We're All Welfare Queens Now

[Link: theobamadiary.com...]

Photos from Ohio today.

He's just visiting liberal commie ivory tower institutions like colleges. They'd never vote for Romney anyway. Obama is afraid to go outside those confines and meet the Real Americans!
//// (massive)

494 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:35:54pm

re: #490 aagcobb

Double facepalm!

Ask and ye shall receive:
Image: double_facepalm.jpg

495 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:37:18pm

re: #487 goddamnedfrank

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

[Embedded content]

He describes the experience as feeling like he's about to get it in the back of the head... at least he's still a sane enough conservative to realize that Romney is blowing it big time.

496 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:37:34pm

re: #487 goddamnedfrank

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

[Embedded content]

Sweet Jesus.

497 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:37:38pm

re: #483 jaunte

Poll: Obama surges ahead among Catholic voters

Catholic Bishops Make Urgent Appeal For Surge Protectors

498 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:38:19pm

re: #487 goddamnedfrank

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

[Embedded content]

Oh, and did you catch Joe referencing Alfredo out on the boat in the Godfather?

holy shit

499 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:40:06pm

re: #487 goddamnedfrank

Oh God, this is just awesome. Romney reacts to crowd cheering for Ryan by trying to lead them in a cheer of Romney/Ryan. He fails embarrassingly and you feel every ounce of Joe Scarborough's pain as he reacts to the clip. A tart serving of verguenza ajena topped with delicious, creamy schadenfreude.

[Embedded content]

I can't decide who's funnier, Romney or Scarborough.

500 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #498 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Oh, and did you catch Joe referencing Alfredo out on the boat in the Godfather?

holy shit

So, what? Is Romney gonna ice Ryan out on the lake or vice versa?

///

501 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:43:10pm

Sweet letter from someone who managed a $15 donation to Barack Obama. Read it.
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

502 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:44:10pm

re: #494 Gert Fröbe

Ask and ye shall receive:
Image: double_facepalm.jpg

Triple Facepalm

503 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:46:09pm

re: #498 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Oh, and did you catch Joe referencing Alfredo out on the boat in the Godfather?

holy shit

That clip is just hilarious all around, the hushed silence after immediately followed by Joe's "Sweet Jesus!" Mika Brzezinski's pitch perfect apology for being so hard on him, the Fredo reference.

What I really thought deserved notice though was Romney's reaction to Ryan being more popular than him. That shit clearly pisses him off, to the point where he's out there correcting the crowd's cheer. I'm not sure it's possible for him to be more of a douche if being the biggest douche imaginable was actually his goal.

504 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:46:13pm

re: #499 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I can't decide who's funnier, Romney or Scarborough.

Scarborough didn't want to say it, but the Hail Mary ends with "...pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death, Amen."

He was talking about the death of the Romney campaign.

505 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:47:21pm

re: #502 Sheila Brovlofski

Triple Facepalm

Image: 5aef357b_1007.FACEPALM_5F00_wrong.jpg

506 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:48:41pm

The worst part about alcohol enemas (aside from the death it can induce) is getting the cherry off the toothpick stuck in your ass.

507 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:50:52pm

re: #502 Sheila Brovlofski

Triple Facepalm

Quadruple facepalm

508 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:52:20pm

re: #504 darthstar

Scarborough didn't want to say it, but the Hail Mary ends with "...pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death, Amen."

He was talking about the death of the Romney campaign.

LBJ said when he signed the Civil Rights Act that the Democrats had lost the South for a generation. But now the GOP is the captive of the neoconfederates, and this incoherent mess of a campaign is the end result. The GOP may never win another presidential election until it can break the death grip of the reactionaries and reclaim the proud progressive tradition of Republican greats such as Lincoln and Roosevelt.

509 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:52:50pm

re: #507 bratwurst

510 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:56:08pm

re: #507 bratwurst

Quadruple facepalm

Fuck it, we're going to five!

Quintuple facepalm

511 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:57:51pm

re: #504 darthstar

Scarborough didn't want to say it, but the Hail Mary ends with "...pray for us sinners, now and in the hour of our death, Amen."

He was talking about the death of the Romney campaign.

Well, what else can he say when he sees his Emperor out with no clothes on?
Again.

512 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:58:11pm

"Jack Cashill, author of the charmingly insane book Deconstructing Obama, claims to have unearthed yet another shocking bombshell about Barack Obama's past. According to Cashill's WorldNetDaily column this morning, this photo of young Barack Obama and his grandparents in New York is a forgery into which Obama has been photoshopped:
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

513 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:58:25pm

re: #509 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The freepers are not amused. But I think its fuckin hilarious.

514 freetoken  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:58:39pm

Meanwhile, over in the wacky world of conspiratorial racists, former Forbes (and National Review) editor Peter Brimelow, on his site VDARE, goes even farther into anarcho-variant of their atavism:

[...]

But it has also made the need for VDARE.com more imperative. It has enabled Main Stream Media ideological gatekeepers to co-ordinate their political line (painfully evident in the coverage of the hapless Romney campaign) and to orchestrate hysterias, like this year’s Trayvon Martin scam, and witch hunts, like the ones that claimed the MSM careers of VDARE.com contributors Pat Buchanan and John Derbyshire.

I anticipate that this repression will increase after the Presidential election—regardless of who wins, but especially if Obama is re-elected. I believe that the leaders of what I have called the nation of “Anti-America” are absolutely conscious that there is still time for the historic nation of America to unite, to throw off what from a demographic point of view is undeniably a Minority Occupation Government, and to stop its Electing A New People through immigration policy.

And they are absolutely determined to prevent the historic nation of America from uniting—by “any means necessary.”

[...]

Increasingly, at VDARE.com. we will focus on the struggle to retrieve something from the wreck—for example, we will shortly run an article challenging Paul Kersey’s optimistic report of white a.k.a. American suburban secession in Atlanta by analyzing the Obama Administration’s coercive concept of “Regional Equity.”

But I must report that, twice in the last year, I have been told, quite casually and spontaneously, by perfectly responsible adults, one an older woman, that all this—America’s ongoing immigration crisis and the resultant balkanization—will come to blood.

[...]

Brimelow is not alone in the racist right, in his fantasizing about the coming dystopia. There are several writers on places like Alternative Right that are starting to sing the praises of anarchy.

Assuming Obama is re-elected, I wonder what their next step will be.

515 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:59:00pm

Kinky Friedman sighting!

516 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:03:41pm

"C'mon everybody, follow me now! ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan!"

517 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:05:15pm

re: #516 jaunte

"C'mon everybody, follow me now! ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan!"

Youtube Video
518 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:05:17pm

re: #516 jaunte

"C'mon everybody, follow me now! ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan ROMNEY Ryan!"

Romney Lyin' Romney Lyin'....how am I doing?

519 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:05:43pm

Can someone explain to me how RealClearPolitics.com's polling average includes the +1 Obama Associated Press/GfK from 9/13 to 9/17 but drops the Obama +7 poll from Reason-Rupe/PSRAI, which covers the same date range?

RCP seems to have a fairly, let's say flexible criteria for when they choose to drop polls from their average.

520 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:05:52pm

re: #518 darthstar

Romney Lyin' Romney Lyin'....how am I doing?

The same thought occurred to me.

521 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:06:40pm

re: #503 goddamnedfrank

That clip is just hilarious all around, the hushed silence after immediately followed by Joe's "Sweet Jesus!" Mika Brzezinski's pitch perfect apology for being so hard on him, the Fredo reference.

What I really thought deserved notice though was Romney's reaction to Ryan being more popular than him. That shit clearly pisses him off, to the point where he's out there correcting the crowd's cheer. I'm not sure it's possible for him to be more of a douche if being the biggest douche imaginable was actually his goal.

Little Mitt Romney has never been anything but privileged. And it shows.

522 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:06:59pm

re: #519 goddamnedfrank

Can someone explain to me how RealClearPolitics.com's polling average includes the +1 Obama Associated Press/GfK from 9/13 to 9/17 but drops the Obama +7 poll from Reason-Rupe/PSRAI, which covers the same date range?

RCP seems to have a fairly, let's say flexible criteria for when they choose to drop polls from their average.

They include only one poll per pollster at a time, so maybe there is a more recent poll by them.

523 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:08:39pm

re: #522 aagcobb

They include only one poll per pollster at a time, so maybe there is a more recent poll by them.

Nope, that's not the reason. You got me.

524 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:09:36pm

re: #522 aagcobb

They include only one poll per pollster at a time, so maybe there is a more recent poll by them.

Already checked that, there's no new poll to supersede the one they dropped.

525 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:09:51pm

re: #503 goddamnedfrank

What I really thought deserved notice though was Romney's reaction to Ryan being more popular than him. That shit clearly pisses him off, to the point where he's out there correcting the crowd's cheer. I'm not sure it's possible for him to be more of a douche if being the biggest douche imaginable was actually his goal.

These people just won't take responsibility for correcting their own cheers.

526 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:10:43pm
527 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:11:11pm

re: #526 darthstar

[Embedded content]

SKEWED POLLS!!!

//

528 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:11:24pm

re: #526 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Romney's down to 18% at fivethirtyeight and 25% at intrade

529 jaunte  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:11:28pm

Voter purge fail:

530 darthstar  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:11:55pm

re: #527 Gus

SKEWED POLLS!!!

//

Romney's skewed.

531 Gus  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:12:08pm

[Link: o.onionstatic.com...]

532 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:12:57pm

Seems like Ryan should have been the cheerleader for Romney, but he just stood back and watched the leader of his party make a complete ass of himself.

I wonder if that knife left a mark in Mitt's back?

533 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:18:49pm

re: #529 jaunte

The people fighting back against voter suppression-- from activists and journalists, from election officials to county clerks to people at every level of government-- are doing good and necessary work. Lot of victories this year-- the court system hasn't fallen to the disease of right-wing extremism yet, and Obama's re-election is probably most important for that reason alone: picking judges.

534 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:20:23pm

re: #529 jaunte

Voter purge fail:

[Embedded content]

Utter bullshit. But let's be worried about someone going down to the polling location, on the date indicated, by car, during their work day, and entering a false vote under a fake donald duck name.

535 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:21:44pm

re: #491 Killgore Trout

Mayo on French fries. I can get weed here in Portland.

I bet you eat mayo & peanut butter sammiches too!

536 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:22:12pm

re: #532 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Seems like Ryan should have been the cheerleader for Romney, but he just stood back and watched the leader of his party make a complete ass of himself.

I wonder if that knife left a mark in Mitt's back?

I have realized the Romney/Ryan ticket is a milestone of sorts. This is probably the last time one of the major parties will run two white men together. From now on, I bet every presidential ticket will include a woman and/or a minority.

537 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:24:55pm

re: #467 Gus

Image: 2007091.jpg

New wallpaper!

538 Tigger2005  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:39:54pm

re: #536 aagcobb

I have realized the Romney/Ryan ticket is a milestone of sorts. This is probably the last time one of the major parties will run two white men together. From now on, I bet every presidential ticket will include a woman and/or a minority.

I'd rather they choose the two most qualified regardless of race color or gender, instead than trying to appeal to certain demographics...hahahahhaaahhhh I crack myself up.

539 Stephen T.  Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:17:13pm

re: #270 engineer cat

1. rich people and corporations pay even less in taxes
2. middle class and poorer people get the tax burden shifted down on them even more (happens whenever you lower taxes for people higher up even if you don't do a thing to the existing tax structure for the rest)
3. no regulations except for abortions, immigrants, and persons caught attempting to vote
4. fire as many workers on gov payrolls as you can so as to increase employment
5. "fix" ss and medicare by starting the process of getting rid of it
6. distract attention from all of this by agitating irrelevant issues
7. profit!

Somewhere in there you should remember to include "Start a war with Iran, but make no plans for ending it."


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