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Chris Christie Takes a Wrecking Ball to the House GOP

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In an extraordinary political moment, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie called a press conference today and took a wrecking ball to the House Republican majority, and especially Speaker John Boehner, for killing the bill that would have provided $60 billion in emergency funds to victims of Hurricane Sandy.

Even for someone not known for mincing words, Christie’s remarks were unusually pointed and direct; he called the House’s failure to act on the Sandy legislation “a disgrace,” “toxic,” and “disgusting,” and said Speaker Boehner had refused to take four phone calls from him last night.

Christie also made it clear that he thinks the “fiscal cliff” debate was a manufactured fiasco, calling it a “fake” and sarcastically referring to it as an “epic battle.”

Note that Christie is still very much a right winger in every way that counts, so as entertaining as this might be, don’t get too starry-eyed about him. For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy, Christie toes the anti-science Republican line.

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1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:45:20pm

Chris Christie is finding out the hard way that those he thought were his friends aren't really his friends. On the flip side, he's also finding out that those who may disagree with aren't spiteful assholes e.g. President Obama. I won't get starry eyed about Christie because I can't see any situation where I vote for him for president over any of the Democrats that will be nominated in 2016 but I still do feel some pity for him. It's part of being a bleeding heart.

2 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:46:04pm

And right now, reliable info is that Boehner killed the bill out of spite, pissed off at Cantor for coming out against the fiscal cliff deal. But not to worry, he says it'll be one of the first things on the agenda of the 113th Congress. Which at this point is rather optimistic of him.

3 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:48:03pm

Here we see the growing chasm between the crazed right-wing servant of the people and the crazed right-wing tear-down-government mole.

It's less fun than I expected, in that it requires the existence and prevalence of the latter.

4 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:50:27pm
5 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:52:19pm

Christie did what he was elected to do. The job of governing for the state of New Jersey and making sure that the state gets the aid it needed and was promised. He gave thanks to those who were involved in those efforts - including his long time political nemeses in Bob Menendez and other NJ Democrats, because they too were doing the job that they were elected to do - making sure that they got Sandy aid done.

He thanked the President, because he too got the job done.

Know who didn't? The GOP and Boehner in particular. That they had three weeks to consider the Sandy bill and did nothing speaks to the gross incompetence on the part of the GOP and the House in particular. There was no excuse.

Christie let them know it in no uncertain terms. This was a BS manufactured crisis (the fiscal cliff/debt ceiling/tax rate), and it's all on Congress for failing the people of NJ and NY and others affected by Sandy.

NJ pays more to the feds than it gets back normally. Now, it's asking for assistance over a true natural disaster of massive proportions along the East Coast, and the GOP abdicated its responsibilities (adjourning at 2pm rather than taking up the bill and passing it).

Some GOPers and right wingers were carping on pork - or more specifically $400m in unrelated items. Yet, the final House version (the pair of bifurcated bills - itself a move to try and get something done on the part of Cantor and the NJ delegation) and the Senate bill had excised that stuff leaving a clean bill.

There were no excuses. Nothing. All Christie got from Boehner's office was nothing but static, and Christie let everyone know he wont stand for that.

That's not bluster. That's calling it as it is.

6 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:52:39pm

re: #4 Lidane

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Rubin suggested that Boehner "save face" by not going through with it? You know there's a phrase for someone who does something like that and it rhymes with miteful basshole.

7 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:52:52pm
8 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:53:14pm

re: #3 erik_t

Here we see the growing chasm between the crazed right-wing servant of the people and the crazed right-wing tear-down-government mole.

It's less fun than I expected, in that it requires the existence and prevalence of the latter.

The GOP civil war (sorry overused phrase) split, or as I think of it- partitioning is as necessary as it is ugly. Maybe the GOP disappears over time, maybe it just segments along regional lines. I'm no good at forecasting, but what else would the decline and fall of a party look like if not a lot like this? The next year is going to be interesting. Too interesting.

9 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:53:49pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

I think the word you're looking for is schism.

10 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:54:04pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

But not to worry, he says it'll be one of the first things on the agenda of the 113th Congress. Which at this point is rather optimistic of him.

Maybe after fifty Odes to St. Reagan in the form of Obamacare repeals.

11 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:54:19pm

Remember when:

"Update, October 29, 12:29 a.m. EST:
With Hurricane Sandy set to make landfall in the Mid-Atlantic,
Mitt Romney's policies for federal emergency management
seem as relevant as ever
."

Romney Proposes Gutting or Privatizing FEMA, Leaving Disaster Relief to States

12 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:54:43pm

GOP really needs to do some deep soul searching about what they stand for. There's a lot of indication that Boehner refused to act on this just because he was pissed about having to go along with the deal. Shame on him. That's not what a leader does. That's middle school bullshit.

13 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:56:00pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

The GOP civil war (sorry overused phrase) split, or as I think of it- partitioning is as necessary as it is ugly. Maybe the GOP disappears over time, maybe it just segments along regional lines. I'm no good at forecasting, but what else would the decline and fall of a party look like if not a lot like this? The next year is going to be interesting. Too interesting.

Absolutely true. I just wish we hadn't lost one of our two functioning political parties in the first place.

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:56:06pm

re: #11 jaunte

Remember when:

We dodged such a bullet by not electing him,

15 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:58:57pm

Peter King now backpedaling vigorously

clown

16 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:59:17pm
Note that Christie is still very much a right winger in every way that counts, so as entertaining as this might be, don’t get too starry-eyed about him. For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy, Christie toes the anti-science Republican line.

Yeah, this. As hard as he's been working to deal with Sandy damage, this is still the same guy who used state troopers to intimidate a citizen who dared to disagree with him.

However, in this case, he's spot on.

17 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 12:59:17pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

And yet, if Romney got the tax deal Obama just hammered out, the GOP would be crowing from every rooftop that they got the Bush cuts made permanent for everyone under $400k. And that they'll work to get the rest done in the next year.

18 butterick  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:00:13pm

Note that Christie is still very much a right winger in every way that counts, so as entertaining as this might be, don’t get too starry-eyed about him.

Baby steps... baby steps...

19 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:00:56pm

re: #9 lawhawk

I think the word you're looking for is schism.

Yes that's it. Schism. Look what the T.P. has brought us. Utter dysfunction. And that's the follow up from the neocon era. Ugh.

I think the Democratic party strategists just can't quite wrap their heads around this much dysfunction in the opposition. All the old rules of order are out the window. I never thought I'd miss the contentious Clinton v Gingrich days as better than what we have now.

20 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:01:49pm

re: #16 Mattand

Yeah, this. As hard as he's been working to deal with Sandy damage, this is still the same guy who used state troopers to intimidate a citizen who dared to disagree with him.

However, in this case, he's spot on.

He is also the guy who publicly launched a bullshit investigation of Bob Menendez on the eve of an election.

An investigation no one ever heard a word about after the election

21 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:01:57pm

Now Boehner's come up with a compromise.

$9 billion to be voted on Friday, and the balance ($51b) to be voted on January 15.

No. The right thing would have been to keep everyone in the Capitol and vote on the bills before the chamber to get it done today. No reason to adjourn at 2pm other than petty bickering and bs. Can't even do a full day's worth of work - a new low for the already know-nothing/do-nothing Congress under Boehner's watch.

22 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:02:25pm

By "Toxic internal politics of the house majority" I suspect he's really referencing Cantor vs Boehner.

23 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:03:35pm

re: #17 lawhawk

And yet, if Romney got the tax deal Obama just hammered out, the GOP would be crowing from every rooftop that they got the Bush cuts made permanent for everyone under $400k. And that they'll work to get the rest done in the next year.

Pretty much.

24 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:04:15pm

re: #22 Randall Gross

That's part of it, but it's probably also referring to the tea party faction that wants to cut everything ignoring that the federal government plays an important and integral role in dealing with things like national defense, infrastructure, natural disaster recovery, etc.

25 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:04:22pm

Rolling!

August 14th, 2012 :

CNN contributor and RedState.com editor in chief Erick Erickson was among the first that suggested Paul Ryan be Mitt Romney's pick. He explains this morning why he thinks Paul Ryan was a good pick by Romney for vice president, and why he thinks the Republican convention will be 'carefully orchestrated.'[Link: earlystart.blogs.cnn.com...]

January 2nd, 2013:
Erick Erickson: The Cult of Paul Ryan

... Ryan is a creature of Washington. He was a Hill staffer. He was a think tanker. Then he went back as a Congressman.

While in Congress, he voted for No Child Left Behind, the Prescription Drug Benefit, TARP, caps on CEO pay, the AIG bill, the GM bailout, the debt ceiling, and now the fiscal cliff. In fact, he is one of less than a dozen Republican congressmen to have voted for every bailout to come before Congress....

26 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:05:54pm
27 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:07:54pm

re: #24 lawhawk

He's not going to come out and say that however, even he can't afford that backlash.

28 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:08:24pm

re: #26 Interesting Times

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Like I pointed out downstairs, that was Cantor's doing. His sticking point was part of the bill that would allow tribal courts to try rapists caught on tribal land who aren't members of tribe. He wanted that part excised and refused to allow the bill to come to a vote otherwise.

29 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:13:28pm

re: #27 Randall Gross

Hence his reluctance to comment on the Tea Party in the presser.

30 dragonfire1981  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:13:54pm

This Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!

Come out and see the King of Orange do battle with the Cantor Crippler!!

It's all out blood feud for control of the House!!

John Boehner...Eric Cantor...A barbed wire steel cage...No time limit...There MUST be a winner!!

31 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:15:00pm

re: #30 dragonfire1981

This Sunday! Sunday! Sunday!

Come out and see the King of Orange do battle with the Cantor Crippler!!

It's all out blood feud for control of the House!!

John Boehner...Eric Cantor...A barbed wire steel cage...No time limit...There MUST be a winner!!

I think that event is going tomorrow actually.

32 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:15:12pm
33 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:19:12pm

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

34 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:19:28pm

Possible explanation for Peter King's ridiculous about-face?

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:19:46pm

re: #33 Joanne

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

If so, I might die laughing.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:19:51pm

re: #25 jaunte

Rolling!

August 14th, 2012 :

January 2nd, 2013:
Erick Erickson: The Cult of Paul Ryan

And Erickson is acting like these are sudden revelations now, why? Seriously, I remember pointing out that Ryan was a fraud when Romney chose him. We all knew that he voted for TARP, the bailouts, secretly requested stimulus money, etc. But yet we were told that Paul Ryan was a "conservative policy wonk" and "principled." Frankly, as much as some of them want to say that it should have been Rubio. Rubio inevitably with time have the same black marks on his record that come with being in Congress for a while.

37 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:20:02pm

re: #33 Joanne

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

Isn't that part of the process before speaker elections?

38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:20:19pm

re: #34 Interesting Times

Possible explanation for Peter King's ridiculous about-face?

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Just when you thought Boehner couldn't be any more a dick.

39 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:20:43pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

If so, I might die laughing.

I might be joining you!

Paul Ryan?

p.s. Bashir and Wolfe do not believe it. Sounds like it's coming from Cantor. More fascinating!

40 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:21:56pm

Obama Says 'Ban Guns' - What Do You Say? Fight Back

i say i have enough trouble dealing with real politicians to spend my time thinking about all the fictional obamas

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:22:13pm

re: #39 Joanne

I might be joining you!

Paul Ryan?

p.s. Bashir and Wolfe do not believe it. Sounds like it's coming from Cantor. More fascinating!

My money's still on Cantor, I thought he might have been deemed "damaged goods" after Plan B, but after last night and today's report that Boehner pulled this bill due to Cantor's "betrayal," I'm most convinced now that Cantor's got his eye on the big chair.

42 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:22:19pm

re: #33 Joanne

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

Does that even happen outside of ethical misconduct and that sort of impropriety?

43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:23:28pm

I think Cantor's always had his eye on the Speaker's chair. He's never once been said to contemplate state wide office. So, the fact he covets Boehner's job really comes as no shock to me.

44 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:23:46pm

how many fictional obamas does it take to change a light bulb?

none - christmas trees are banned under sharia law

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:24:00pm

re: #42 erik_t

Does that even happen outside of ethical misconduct and that sort of impropriety?

It does when it's obvious there's no confidence in said Speaker. Trying to think of precedents but I know it's happened before.

46 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:24:39pm

re: #42 erik_t

Does that even happen outside of ethical misconduct and that sort of impropriety?

Mid-way through his tenure as speaker, you're probably right, but right now, for sure. The vote is tomorrow.

47 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:25:38pm

Good news:

Sec. State Clinton released from hospital in NY, but not clear where she was heading.

48 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:26:17pm

re: #47 lawhawk

Good news:

Sec. State Clinton released from hospital in NY, but not clear where she was heading.

She's leaving the country to avoid testifying! Quick, stop her!!!

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49 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:26:23pm

re: #33 Joanne

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

who is ron meyer? he's not that 'vixens' soft core pr0n filmmaker is he?

50 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:28:46pm

Right now the breitbrats are promoting rumors of an overnight leadership coup, they are pimping Cantor.

51 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:28:59pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

It does when it's obvious there's no confidence in said Speaker. Trying to think of precedents but I know it's happened before.

Bob Livingston, Jim Wright, Gingrich.

52 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:29:40pm

re: #49 engineer cat

who is ron meyer? he's not that 'vixens' soft core pr0n filmmaker is he?

That's Russ.

53 blueraven  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:29:53pm

re: #49 engineer cat

who is ron meyer? he's not that 'vixens' soft core pr0n filmmaker is he?

press secretary for this group: American Majority Action

[Link: americanmajorityaction.org...]

54 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:30:41pm

re: #50 Randall Gross

Right now the breitbrats are promoting rumors of an overnight leadership coup, they are pimping Cantor.

I imagine tomorrow's gonna be entertaining, whether Boehner gets bounced or not.

55 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:30:52pm

if i was boehner i'd resign his seat and retire

i dunno why he puts up with the tsuris

56 MyLGFname  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:31:18pm

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

57 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:31:43pm

re: #33 Joanne

Ron Meyer on MSNBC says Boehner is going to resign the speakership at 5:00 tonight.

No confirmation.

Fascinating.

From his ass to god's ears

58 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:03pm

RE


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59 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:16pm

re: #51 makeitstop

Bob Livingston, Jim Wright, Gingrich.

I thought Wright and Livingston had scandals. Wright was business related and Livingston's was related to the fact that he was a hypocritical dickbag. Gingrich works though because there was an internal coup against him.

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:36pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

Your bucket of FAIL has arrived.

61 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:46pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

Sure didn't see the grammar fail coming.

/

62 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:49pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

If that was an attempt at sarcasm, it was rather poor.

63 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:32:54pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

Ooh, a climate scientist!

Welcome, hatchling.

64 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:33:07pm

Mboyle1 is an "investigate reporter for Breitbart" -- which means bullshit artist.

65 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:33:41pm

re: #49 engineer cat

who is ron meyer? he's not that 'vixens' soft core pr0n filmmaker is he?

[Link: www.americanowradio.com...]

66 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:34:18pm

re: #53 blueraven

press secretary for this group: American Majority Action

[Link: americanmajorityaction.org...]

Beat me to it. :-)

67 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:34:28pm
68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:34:51pm

re: #67 lawhawk

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*Bites tongue*

69 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:35:07pm

Let's ask an actual expert.

Are we likely to see more such storms in the future?

Global warming theory (Emanuel, 2005) predicts that a 2°C (3.6°F) increase in ocean temperatures should cause an increase in the peak winds of the strongest hurricanes of about about 10%. Furthermore, warmer ocean temperatures are expected to cause hurricanes to dump 20% more rain in their cores by the year 2100, according to computer modeling studies (Knutson et al., 2010). However, there has been no published work describing how hurricane size may change with warmer oceans in a future climate. We've seen an unusual number of Atlantic hurricanes with large size in recent years, but we currently have no theoretical or computer modeling simulations that can explain why this is so, or if we might see more storms like this in the future. However, we've seen significant and unprecedented changes to our atmosphere in recent decades, due to our emissions of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide. The laws of physics demand that the atmosphere must respond. Atmospheric circulation patterns that control extreme weather events must change, and we should expect extreme storms to change in character, frequency, and intensity as a result--and not always in the ways our computer models may predict. We have pushed our climate system to a fundamentally new, higher-energy state where more heat and moisture is available to power stronger storms, and we should be concerned about the possibility that Hurricane Sandy's freak size and power were partially due to human-caused climate change.

70 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:35:10pm

re: #57 wilburs

From his ass to god's ears

I don't know...Cantor's truly nuts. Boehner just plays like he's nuts.

71 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:35:15pm

re: #67 lawhawk

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No commento.

72 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:35:57pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I thought Wright and Livingston had scandals. Wright was business related and Livingston's was related to the fact that he was a hypocritical dickbag. Gingrich works though because there was an internal coup against him.

Correct. I just listed the ones I remembered off the top of my head.

Wright's 'scandal' wouldn't raise an eyebrow in the DC of today. It was possibly the first manufactured wingnut outrage.

73 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:36:09pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

GOP really needs to do some deep soul searching about what they stand for. There's a lot of indication that Boehner refused to act on this just because he was pissed about having to go along with the deal. Shame on him. That's not what a leader does. That's middle school bullshit.

We already know what they stand for... and it's not this country when there's a black man as President.

74 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:36:54pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Especially since Newt turned around and did the same thing bascially

75 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:38:06pm

Heard on the radio while I was out earlier - 2012 was the warmest year on record for New York City.

76 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:39:08pm

re: #74 wilburs

Especially since Newt turned around and did the same thing bascially

Yeah the Republican Revolution of 1994 ended being a bunch of frauds who got elected and or elevated to majority party status by bitching at others for what they themselves did.

77 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:39:52pm
78 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #75 makeitstop

December 2012 was 4 degrees warmer than average in NYC.

Total precip for 2012 well below average, and would have been worse but for noreaster. In 2011, the total precip would have been worse than that, but for Hurricane/TS Irene/Lee dumping tremendous rain in short period of time.

But across the nation, we're seeing unprecedented drought conditions - as bad or worse than anything seen during the Dust Bowl years.

79 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:42:37pm

Geller: 'How Long do Jews have in Obama's America?'

Leave it to Pamela Geller to warn that under President Obama, Jewish Americans will face immense persecution as it won’t be long “before we can’t walk down the street with a kippah or a Star of David.” She even suggested that the U.S. may soon ethnically cleanse Jews to create “Judenrein” areas. Perhaps Geller should ask the nearly 70 percent of Jewish Americans who backed Obama’s re-election why they voted for their own imminent demise.

80 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:44:35pm

re: #79 Kragar

Geller: 'How Long do Jews have in Obama's America?'

Can't even respond to this without laughing hysterically. Yes, Pam, the president with numerous Jewish friends and advisers is going ethnically cleanse the Jewish people but your friends who actually hate Jews are good for Europe and America.

81 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:44:52pm

Erik Rush Suggests Founders Would Hang 'Evil' Obama for Seeking to 'Enslave Us'

Conservative writer and frequent Fox News guest Erik Rush is so completely off the deep end that we really aren’t all that surprised by his latest column where he suggests that the Founders would have hanged President Obama and that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid “deserves” to be dragged behind a truck. This time, Rush is upset about the fiscal cliff negotiations and the possibility of new gun laws which he warns are both part of a global plot by Marxists, corporations and bankers to destroy America.

82 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:45:41pm

re: #79 Kragar

Geller: 'How Long do Jews have in Obama's America?'

I'm not sure if this is projection or simple crazy pills.

83 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:46:35pm

re: #78 lawhawk

December 2012 was 4 degrees warmer than average in NYC.

Total precip for 2012 well below average, and would have been worse but for noreaster. In 2011, the total precip would have been worse than that, but for Hurricane/TS Irene/Lee dumping tremendous rain in short period of time.

But across the nation, we're seeing unprecedented drought conditions - as bad or worse than anything seen during the Dust Bowl years.

2011- Oklahoma recorded the hottest temps in recorded history.

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:47:06pm

re: #82 erik_t

I'm not sure if this is projection or simple crazy pills.

Bet you she doesn't know that he has a Jewish brother in law. Michelle's brother is a convert. Errr realized that I think it's her cousin but still. Pam just wants to make POTUS out to be Anti-Semitic so she can feel oppressed. It's pathetic really.

85 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:47:07pm

re: #81 Kragar

Erik Rush Suggests Founders Would Hang 'Evil' Obama for Seeking to 'Enslave Us'

further proof that no one is too crazy for Fox News

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:47:08pm

re: #81 Kragar

Erik Rush Suggests Founders Would Hang 'Evil' Obama for Seeking to 'Enslave Us'

I always thought that Marxists and Corporatists were the most natural alliance on the face of the planet.
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87 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:47:54pm

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

I always thought that Marxists and Corporatists were the most natural alliance on the face of the planet.
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This is actually an old one. One that the Russian rightists of the early 20th century would be proud of.

88 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:48:17pm

'How Long do Jews have in Obama's America?'

I would venture a guess at significantly longer than Muslims and other non-judeochristian minorities would have in Pam's America.

89 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:48:30pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Bet you she doesn't know that he has a Jewish brother in law. Michelle's brother is a convert.

That's why he's such a good anti-Jew manchurian candidate! The perfectness of the disguise is proof of the conspiracy.

/

90 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:49:02pm

re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader

I always thought that Marxists and Corporatists were the most natural alliance on the face of the planet.
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Second only to the grand Atheist/Islamist alliance.

91 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:49:49pm
92 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:50:24pm

The Nazis actually used the Communist-Capitalist alliance one a lot too. Not sure how old it is but I saw it come alot when I was researching 1880-1910 Russia for my term paper last year. It was really common among Russian rightists.

93 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:51:12pm
94 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:51:27pm

re: #70 Joanne

I don't know...Cantor's truly nuts. Boehner just plays like he's nuts.

This is actually a good point. If Boehner were truly off the rails, he would have rubber stamped every Tea Party wish, regardless of how stupid.

It's very easy to visualize Cantor going down that road. And we saw how well radical conservatism did in November.

95 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:53:58pm

re: #94 Mattand

This is actually a good point. If Boehner were truly off the rails, he would have rubber stamped every Tea Party wish, regardless of how stupid.

It's very easy to visualize Cantor going down that road. And we saw how well radical conservatism did in November.

That's because Boehner has some resemblance of leadership. Cantor not so much. He's the Tea Party's water carrier. It's too bad he has such a safe district because I would love for him to actually have to fight for re-election for once rather than just coasting buy but them's the breaks.

96 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:54:25pm

re: #79 Kragar

Geller: 'How Long do Jews have in Obama's America?'

Leave it to Pamz to pull a fucking Godwin.

Fucking drunkard twit...

97 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:54:40pm

re: #82 erik_t

I'm not sure if this is projection or simple crazy pills.

Gin and crazy pills is a heady brew.

98 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:54:53pm

re: #94 Mattand

This is actually a good point. If Boehner were truly off the rails, he would have rubber stamped every Tea Party wish, regardless of how stupid.

It's very easy to visualize Cantor going down that road. And we saw how well radical conservatism did in November.

Cantor as Speaker will hasten the demise of the TPGOP. The trail of devastation getting there will be a long and messy one, though.

99 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:55:48pm

re: #81 Kragar

Erik Rush Suggests Founders Would Hang 'Evil' Obama for Seeking to 'Enslave Us'

You know what's really sad? Half of the Founding Fathers held black people as property, and I doubt even they would say something that blatantly racist.

100 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:56:03pm

re: #94 Mattand

This is actually a good point. If Boehner were truly off the rails, he would have rubber stamped every Tea Party wish, regardless of how stupid.

It's very easy to visualize Cantor going down that road. And we saw how well radical conservatism did in November.

I think Cantor as speaker is unbelievably frightening. He would completely go along with not raising the debt limit - and the repercussions would be felt world-wide. A US created global depression; one created for no reason whatsoever. US Dollar as world reserve currency? Buh bye forever.

101 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:56:04pm

re: #96 TedStriker

Leave it to Pamz to pull a fucking Godwin.

Fucking drunkard twit...

"ROBERT! THE MUSE IS UPON ME! ANOTHER GIN SMOOTHIE!"

102 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:57:08pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Cantor as Speaker will hasten the demise of the TPGOP. The trail of devastation getting there will be a long and messy one, though.

Yeah, I'm not really looking forward to being collateral damage.

103 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:57:33pm

re: #90 Kragar

Second only to the grand Atheist/Islamist alliance.

Excuse me, good Sir, but as a Muslim I must correct you.

That's the Grand IslamoatheistLGBTcommienazi Conspiracy.

I should know......I'm a card-carrying member. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

104 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:58:14pm

You know if Obama was the monster Pam says he is. He'd done so much more by now. Worst dictator ever.

105 Mattand  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:59:10pm

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

Excuse me, good Sir, but as a Muslim I must correct you.

That's the Grand IslamoatheistLGBTcommienazi Conspiracy.

I should know......I'm a card-carrying member. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Your t-shirts for the annual picnic must be a bitch to print.

106 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:59:14pm

Qatar owned Current TV. Classic.

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 1:59:34pm

re: #91 Lidane

[Embedded content]

"The US is becoming like Greece! We must enact austerity in order to get our house in order!"
"Uhm, austerity has actually kept Greece from getting back on its feet and plunged much of Europe back into a second recession."
"Well, they just didn't cut deep enough! Socialism is killing them!!!"

108 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:00:50pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

"The US is becoming like Greece! We must enact austerity in order to get our house in order!"
"Uhm, austerity has actually kept Greece from getting back on its feet and plunged much of Europe back into a second recession."
"Well, they just didn't cut deep enough! Socialism is killing them!!!"

On The Nose. Economic morons making moronic statements.

109 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:00:53pm

re: #105 Mattand

Your t-shirts for the annual picnic must be a bitch to print.

Actually, the T-shirts aren't so bad.

Now the business cards..........oh brother, let me tell you! That's a royal pain!

110 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:01:04pm

re: #100 Joanne

I think Cantor as speaker is unbelievably frightening. He would completely go along with not raising the debt limit - and the repercussions would be felt world-wide. A US created global depression; one created for no reason whatsoever. US Dollar as world reserve currency? Buh bye forever.

We pretty much only have the constitutional option in that case. Shit goes all kinds of pear-shaped at that point.

111 BongCrodny  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:01:35pm

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

Excuse me, good Sir, but as a Muslim I must correct you.

That's the Grand IslamoatheistLGBTcommienazi Conspiracy.

I should know......I'm a card-carrying member. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #105 Mattand

Your t-shirts for the annual picnic must be a bitch to print.

Fuck the t-shirts -- can you imagine the tattoo?

112 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:01:39pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

"The US is becoming like Greece! We must enact austerity in order to get our house in order!"
"Uhm, austerity has actually kept Greece from getting back on its feet and plunged much of Europe back into a second recession."
"Well, they just didn't cut deep enough! Socialism is killing them!!!"

Plus the fact that no one pays taxes, tax evasion is their national sport

113 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:01:44pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

"The US is becoming like Greece! We must enact austerity in order to get our house in order!"
"Uhm, austerity has actually kept Greece from getting back on its feet and plunged much of Europe back into a second recession."
"Well, they just didn't cut deep enough! Socialism is killing them!!!"

It really is amazing how ignorant the are when it comes the reality of European politics.

114 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:01:46pm

New Obama Rule Allows Some Undocumented Spouses And Children To Remain With U.S. Family

For undocumented immigrants, even those with a spouse or child in the United States, applying for legal residency can mean leaving the country for as long as ten years. A new rule issued Wednesday by the the Department of Homeland Security will ease the process starting March 4 for as many as 1 million of the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the United States, by allowing immigrants who can prove that time away from a parent, spouse or child will cause “extreme hardship” to return to the United States while they apply for legal status.

115 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:02:11pm

re: #112 wilburs

Plus the fact that no one pays taxes, tax evasion is their national sport

A true patriot does all he can to avoid paying taxes or some crap like that.

116 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:02:35pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

Thirty minutes later, no longer on the page, I guess it's a two-month-sleeper drive-by.

My surprise, let me show it to you.

117 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:02:41pm

re: #114 Kragar

New Obama Rule Allows Some Undocumented Spouses And Children To Remain With U.S. Family

Now watch without any sense of irony this called tyrannical by the nutters.

118 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:03:23pm

re: #106 Gus

Qatar owned Current TV. Classic.

Heh.

119 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:03:40pm
120 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:06:57pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Heh.

Strange but true. AJ is owned by the government of Qatar. They said something about using this to compete with CNN. Cenk Uygur has the personality of a rusty nail so they should make him their lead anchor. Now, the word is that AJ Arabic engages in some censorship WRT to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AJ English however doesn't. AJ generally avoids human rights abuses within Qatar. The same government that's behind this.

121 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:07:16pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

It really is amazing how ignorant the are when it comes the reality of European politics.

2009: "Europe's got the right idea! We should respond to this recession by implementing austerity measures, to wipe out our deficits and curb our debt!"
2012: "Yeah, much of Europe has had lackluster growth and even plunged back into recession, but damnit, that's because they didn't cut enough!"

It's like the argument for communism, because "It's never been done right!"

122 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:07:19pm

Dear Pam,
How long will Muslims last in your America?

123 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:08:23pm

re: #122 Varek Raith

Dear Pam,
How long will Muslims last in your America?

Stop asking silly questions.

There would be no Muslims in Pam's America.

124 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:09:45pm
125 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:12:07pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Heh.

The poet given life is Mohammed al-Ajami. Here's the search results for him at AJ English. Nada.

126 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:12:24pm

Apropos of nothing, if Boehner does indeed get ousted somehow, I call dibs on the headline "Orange Crushed."

127 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:13:18pm

re: #111 BongCrodny

re: #105 Mattand

Fuck the t-shirts -- can you imagine the tattoo?

Either it would take up the entire back, or it would have to be in really, really tiny print.

128 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:14:55pm

re: #120 Gus

AJ Arabic engages in some censorship WRT to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

I can confirm that

One of our clients carries both the Arabic and English versions. Stories that are carried on the Eng. version from the region aren't carried on the Arabic version(s)

129 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:16:20pm
130 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:17:25pm

re: #120 Gus

Strange but true. AJ is owned by the government of Qatar. They said something about using this to compete with CNN. Cenk Uygur has the personality of a rusty nail so they should make him their lead anchor. Now, the word is that AJ Arabic engages in some censorship WRT to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. AJ English however doesn't. AJ generally avoids human rights abuses within Qatar. The same government that's behind this.

It's not really that strange. It's an odd relationship but they'll get along just fine. I think the anti-American imperialism/anti-Western colonialism thing is the tie that binds.

131 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:17:30pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

AJ Arabic engages in some censorship WRT to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

I can confirm that

One of our clients carries both the Arabic and English versions. Stories that are carried on the Eng. version from the region aren't carried on the Arabic version(s)

You know what's hilarious? Study: Qatar maintains world's highest per capita carbon footprint That and the original owner of Current.

133 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:19:04pm

re: #126 Interesting Times

Apropos of nothing, if Boehner does indeed get ousted somehow, I call dibs on the headline "Orange Crushed."

134 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:19:24pm

re: #131 Gus

You know what's hilarious? Study: Qatar maintains world's highest per capita carbon footprint
That and the original owner of Current.

A dozen Deisel BMW's per household will do it !!!

//

135 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:19:29pm
136 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:20:14pm

re: #135 Gus

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By "dissolved" do they mean ,,,,,

//

137 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:21:07pm

re: #135 Gus

[Embedded content]

If only they had more guns!

138 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:21:18pm

re: #114 Kragar

New Obama Rule Allows Some Undocumented Spouses And Children To Remain With U.S. Family

From there:

Among those deported over the past two years were more than 200,000 undocumented immigrants whose children were U.S. citizens. More than 5,100 children landed in foster care as a result of parent deportations, and that number is projected to increase to 15,000 if the current rate of deportations continues.

Those anchor babies aren't working very well. Short chains?

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:22:43pm

re: #135 Gus

[Embedded content]

Is it to be turned instead into the First Galactic Empire?

//

140 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:22:53pm

Fischer: Fiscal Cliff Legislation is 'Demonic'

Bryan Fischer is not at all pleased with the legislation passed last night by the House of Representatives in an effort to avoid the "fiscal cliff, "declaring that it is a violation of the Ten Commandments' prohibition on covetousness, meaning that the Democratic Party is driven by a "Satanic" ideology and the resulting legislation is "demonic":

Corporations making record profits prove they are blessed by Jesus.
Taxing those profits obviously would have to be Demonic.

141 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:24:26pm

re: #132 Gus

Whoa!

Current TV Reportedly To Be Purchased By Al Jazeera, Programming To Be ‘Dissolved’

Maybe that's how Al Jazeera gets on the air in the US. Dissolve Current TV's programming, and replace it with Al Jazeera programming.

142 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:24:57pm

re: #140 Kragar

Fischer: Fiscal Cliff Legislation is 'Demonic'

Corporations making record profits prove they are blessed by Jesus.
Taxing those profits obviously would have to be Demonic.

How are we sure that Bryan's not just talking about his impotency again?

143 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:25:36pm

So in a nutshell. Al Gore's Current TV is getting bought by Qatar owned Al Jazeera and see it's programing allegedly dissolved. Qatar is of course an oil rich nation and member of OPEC with the highest carbon footprint per capita in the world.

144 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:25:52pm

re: #139 Targetpractice

Is it to be turned instead into the First Galactic Empire?

//

Order 666!!1!

145 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:26:16pm

Oh the irony.

146 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:26:28pm

re: #143 Gus

So in a nutshell. Al Gore's Current TV is getting bought by Qatar owned Al Jazeera and see it's programing allegedly dissolved. Qatar is of course an oil rich nation and member of OPEC with the highest carbon footprint per capita in the world.

And Al Gore is fat, or something.

Earth Tones!!!

/

147 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:26:45pm

re: #143 Gus

So in a nutshell. Al Gore's Current TV is getting bought by Qatar owned Al Jazeera and see it's programing allegedly dissolved. Qatar is of course an oil rich nation and member of OPEC with the highest carbon footprint per capita in the world.

Capitalism!

148 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:27:03pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

It really is amazing how ignorant they are when it comes the reality of European politics damn near everything.

FTFY

149 sattv4u2  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:27:42pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Maybe that's how Al Jazeera gets on the air in the US. Dissolve Current TV's programming, and replace it with Al Jazeera programming.

It's already available via Direct TV, Channel - 375 and Dish Network, Channel - 9410 as well as some cable systems
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

150 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:27:44pm

re: #140 Kragar

Fischer: Fiscal Cliff Legislation is 'Demonic'

Corporations making record profits prove they are blessed by Jesus.
Taxing those profits obviously would have to be Demonic.

What, precisely, would the esteemed Mr. Fischer have to say in order for us to conclude it was a joke?

Can an purported speaker for God say something so stupid even His Alleged Representative couldn't personally believe it?

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:27:56pm

re: #146 makeitstop

And Al Gore is fat, or something.

Earth Tones!!!

/

Has a beard too. Can't trust a guy with a beard. Says so in the Bible.

152 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:27:56pm

re: #140 Kragar

Fischer: Fiscal Cliff Legislation is 'Demonic'

Corporations making record profits prove they are blessed by Jesus.
Taxing those profits obviously would have to be Demonic.

If Fischer's knocking boots with Creflo Dollar (one of the televangelist proponents of the Prosperity Gospel), I'd die laughing.

153 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:28:35pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

Capitalism!

Outrageous outrage!

154 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:29:04pm

Critical thinking lock.

155 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:29:50pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

It's already available via Direct TV, Channel - 375 and Dish Network, Channel - 9410 as well as some cable systems
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

Ah, OK. Well, it's been a long time since I've been stateside. 11 years.

156 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:30:27pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

AJ Arabic engages in some censorship WRT to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

I can confirm that

One of our clients carries both the Arabic and English versions. Stories that are carried on the Eng. version from the region aren't carried on the Arabic version(s)

Back when Memri clips were a topic here we used to see some pretty nasty stuff from Al Jaz arabic. The English version is very toned down by comparison.

157 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:30:57pm

While driving home from the dentist I listened to Jeff Sessions rail against the Senate Majority for not following the rules of the Senate . . .then he was interrupted (with permission) from the Senator from New Mexico (I think). This Democratic Senator asked if Sessions was aware that the Constitution allowed the Senate to make it's own rules.

It was a thoroughly enjoyable listening moment.

BTW, I have a perfectly clean and orderly set of teeth.

158 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:31:41pm

re: #157 FemNaziBitch

While driving home from the dentist I listened to Jeff Sessions rail against the Senate Majority for not following the rules of the Senate . . .then he was interrupted (with permission) from the Senator from New Mexico (I think). This Democratic Senator asked if Sessions was aware that the Constitution allowed the Senate to make it's own rules.

It was a thoroughly enjoyable listening moment.

BTW, I have a perfectly clean and orderly set of teeth.

And if we're lucky, in a few days, we might see that in action.

159 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:33:14pm
160 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:33:18pm

Did Christie mention anything about the VAWA?

And so, for the first time since 1994, the Violence Against Women Act is no more. Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), the Democratic point person on VAWA, said in a statement:

“The House Republican leadership’s failure to take up and pass the Senate’s bipartisan and inclusive VAWA bill is inexcusable. This is a bill that passed with 68 votes in the Senate and that extends the bill’s protections to 30 million more women. But this seems to be how House Republican leadership operates. No matter how broad the bipartisan support, no matter who gets hurt in the process, the politics of the right wing of their party always comes first.”

Or did he tow the GOP line about money and ignore the majority of voters?

161 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:33:35pm
162 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:34:32pm

Gotta love that conservative optimism:

163 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:34:33pm

re: #160 FemNaziBitch

Did Christie mention anything about the VAWA?

Or did he tow the GOP line about money and ignore the majority of voters?

I'll be honest. I didn't know about that. Another boner by Boehner.

164 efuseakay  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:34:41pm

re: #126 Interesting Times

Apropos of nothing, if Boehner does indeed get ousted somehow, I call dibs on the headline "Orange Crushed."

I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush...

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:35:27pm

re: #162 Lidane

Gotta love that conservative optimism:

[Embedded content]

Emo-cons.

166 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:35:31pm

re: #164 efuseakay

I've got my spine, I've got my orange crush...

167 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:36:38pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I'll be honest. I didn't know about that. Another boner by Boehner.

Perhaps more accurately, another example of his pathetic child-like inability to take a fucking challenging stand against anything a single Teahadiist doesn't like.

Sniveling coward.

168 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:36:47pm

re: #161 Joanne

How the Release of Mental Patients Began.

A major, and very expensive, policy failure

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:37:09pm

re: #167 erik_t

Perhaps more accurately, another example of his pathetic child-like inability to take a fucking challenging stand against anything a single Teahadiist doesn't like.

Sniveling coward.

He really is a coward. As opposed to Cantor who's just a dick.

170 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:37:57pm

Laser-like focus on the important issues:

171 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:38:06pm

It will be interesting to see what they do with Current TV but I think MSNBC has the progressive market locked up. I'm not sure if there's room for another lefty news channel for American audiences..

172 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:38:14pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I'll be honest. I didn't know about that. Another boner by Boehner.

Cantor killed that one by himself. Bastard.

173 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:39:02pm

Every time Obummer talks, the markets crash! Eleventy!

174 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:39:12pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

He really is a coward. As opposed to Cantor who's just a dick.

I'm relatively sure, to borrow a rather off-color speech from Team America, that Cantor is an asshole. He just wants to shit on everything.

175 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:39:26pm

re: #172 makeitstop

Cantor killed that one by himself. Bastard.

Can't spell Cantor without Can't. Seriously, embarrassed that this guy is my state's most powerful Congress member. He does nothing constructive.

176 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:39:58pm

re: #161 Joanne

How the Release of Mental Patients Began.

State's Rights only work if State's take responsibility.

"Dr. Ewalt said the 1963 act was supposed to have the states continue to take care of the mentally ill but that many states simply gave up and ceded most of their responsibility to the Federal Government."

I hope you Paged this article. It is important.

177 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:40:06pm

re: #157 FemNaziBitch

While driving home from the dentist I listened to Jeff Sessions rail against the Senate Majority for not following the rules of the Senate . . .then he was interrupted (with permission) from the Senator from New Mexico (I think). This Democratic Senator asked if Sessions was aware that the Constitution allowed the Senate to make it's own rules.

It was a thoroughly enjoyable listening moment.

BTW, I have a perfectly clean and orderly set of teeth.

Must have been Tom Udall.

Senator Tom Udall, who has been a vocal proponent of filibuster reform since entering the Senate, says that a new plan by Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich, Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., and John McCain, R-Ariz., to reform the filibuster does not go far enough to address the problems the Senate faces. Udall says it would do nothing to reduce the “paralysis” that the Senate currently suffers from.

Udall said in a statement to New Mexico Telegram that he still prefers his “Constitutional Option” to the proposal put forward by the group of Senators.

“I appreciate the work that Senators Levin, McCain, and others have done to craft this proposal. However, I am concerned that it doesn’t do enough to address the root causes of our gridlock. Their proposal does not end the paralysis, but merely shifts it to a different stage of the legislative process. As we begin a new Congress, the Constitutional Option provides a path for a simple majority of senators to enact real reforms, such as the talking filibuster.”

[...]

Congrats on the teeth!

178 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:40:25pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

It will be interesting to see what they do with Current TV but I think MSNBC has the progressive market locked up. I'm not sure if there's room for another lefty news channel for American audiences..

I don't know what's going on but I doubt that AJ wants Current TV's market but their infrastructure. AJ isn't "lefty" and its AJ English format isn't even close to Current TV's format. They said they want to compete with CNN.

179 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:40:31pm

re: #173 Lidane

[Embedded content]

"Obama's totally decimated the economy! Nobody's better today than he was four years ago!"
"The stock market's been climbing for months on end."
"Yeah, and what good does that do for me?!"

180 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:41:23pm

Funny how personal responsibility goes out the window when they want to blame Obama for their problems huh.

181 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:42:26pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

I'll be honest. I didn't know about that. Another boner by Boehner.

Another HUGE battle in the on-going War on Women that isn't being covered by the media. There are lots of organizations screaming and posting on facebook, but unless one is subscribed to them, one never hears.

I've Posted about it and I know, at some point before Newtown, we were discussing it.

Children of these women are the most vulnerable and are going to be negatively affected. But all the GOP seems to see is that is has been amended to include immigrants, LBGT Community and Native American Women.

182 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:42:26pm

Al Jazeera Is Said to Be Acquiring Current TV
By BRIAN STELTER

Al Jazeera is putting the final touches on a deal to take over Current TV, the low-rated cable channel that was founded by Al Gore and his business partners seven years ago.

If the deal is completed, Current will provide the pan-Arab news giant with something it has sought for years: a pathway into American living rooms. Current is available in about 60 million of the 100 million homes in the United States with cable or satellite service.

Rather than simply use Current to distribute its English-language channel, called Al Jazeera English and based in Doha, Qatar, Al Jazeera will create a new channel based in New York, according to people with knowledge of the deal negotiations. The channel may be called Al Jazeera America. Roughly 60 percent of the programming will be produced in the United States, while the remaining 40 percent will come from Al Jazeera English.

Al Jazeera may absorb some Current TV staff members, according to the people, who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. But Current’s schedule of shows will most likely be dissolved in the spring.

The plan will bring Al Jazeera, which is financed by the government of Qatar, into closer competition with CNN and other news channels in the United States.

Continues.

183 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:42:48pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

State's Rights only work if State's take responsibility.

I hope you Paged this article. It is important.

I didn't. I rarely do. I am working while reading. Software testing doesn't require the same level of concentration, but not enough to really write anything.

Please...feel free!!

184 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:44:43pm

Think about it for a second. If Romney had won the election, the news today of the market having its best opening since '09 would be "proof" that electing Republicans instills "confidence" in the market.

185 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:46:13pm

re: #183 Joanne

I didn't. I rarely do. I am working while reading. Software testing doesn't require the same level of concentration, but not enough to really write anything.

Please...feel free!!

Done, with credits going to you .

186 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:46:19pm

re: #178 Gus

I don't know what's going on but I doubt that AJ wants Current TV's market but their infrastructure. AJ isn't "lefty" and its AJ English format isn't even close to Current TV's format. They said they want to compete with CNN.

I don't know if Al JAz intentionally markets towards lefty audiences but that's pretty much the demographic that they get. I'll tune in for live coverage of event in the Arabic speaking world since they often the only ones with reporters on the scene but the only places I see high praise for the network in lefty blogs. It could be interesting to see what they do. Over the previous decades major western news org have cut way back on their international offices so they might have a niche market but I still think it'll be a tough sell for American audiences who aren't that interested in international affairs. They might do better in Europe.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:46:29pm

re: #181 FemNaziBitch

Another HUGE battle in the on-going War on Women that isn't being covered by the media. There are lots of organizations screaming and posting on facebook, but unless one is subscribed to them, one never hears.

I've Posted about it and I know, at some point before Newtown, we were discussing it.

Children of these women are the most vulnerable and are going to be negatively affected. But all the GOP seems to see is that is has been amended to include immigrants, LBGT Community and Native American Women.

I knew about the bill but I didn't know about them dropping the ball on it is what I mean. GOP are a bunch of dicks- fuck you I got mine seems to be their mindset to anyone who's downtrodden.

188 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:46:35pm

re: #182 Gus

I think my Cenk Uygur consumption will remain at zero.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:48:08pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Think about it for a second. If Romney had won the election, the news today of the market having its best opening since '09 would be "proof" that electing Republicans instills "confidence" in the market.

Yep. Too true.

190 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:49:19pm

re: #188 jaunte

I think my Cenk Uygur consumption will remain at zero.

I only watch John Fugelsang and that's just on Youtube.

191 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:50:05pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I knew about the bill but I didn't know about them dropping the ball on it is what I mean. GOP are a bunch of dicks- fuck you I got mine seems to be their mindset to anyone who's downtrodden.

Maddow seems to have been covering it, but not much else in the news. NOt with any urgency.

So, your local women's shelter, needs your cash donations even more.

192 danarchy  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:51:18pm

re: #108 Joanne

On The Nose. Economic morons making moronic statements.

Greece's problem was that their options were not austerity or stimulus spending, it was austerity or default. Nobody was willing to loan them money for stimulus spending because they knew it would never get paid back. There is a good argument to be made that default would have been a better option, but that would also mean leaving the euro and cause a whole host of other issues.

193 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:51:20pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

Done, with credits going to you .

Thanks but you did all the work!! :-)

194 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:51:59pm

re: #188 jaunte

I think my Cenk Uygur consumption will remain at zero.

He's an asshole and look forward to him losing his job at Current:

195 Political Atheist  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:52:06pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

BTW I left you a link in the Page on the new social media law.

196 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:52:55pm

re: #194 Gus

He's an asshole and look forward to him losing his job at Current:

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Who's this, some Firebagger with delusions of relevancy?

197 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:52:57pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

From what I have seen, AJ tends towards what we used to consider journalism. They hired some incredible journalistic talent from all over the world.

I can't say what they do in their own backyard, but from all I have read, AJ has done good work. I follow them on Twitter and sometimes read their stories.

198 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:56:01pm

re: #192 danarchy

Greece's problem was that their options were not austerity or stimulus spending, it was austerity or default. Nobody was willing to loan them money for stimulus spending because they knew it would never get paid back. There is a good argument to be made that default would have been a better option, but that would also mean leaving the euro and cause a whole host of other issues.

For Greece, yes. I understand that they were (and are) in a bad place, the majority I hate to say, of their own making. That said, my post was that the US is NOT Greece. We are not going to become Greece. We are not going to default (unless the GOP teatards determine that they hate the US that much). My comment was nothing about Greece's problems, it was about idiots here in the US making ignorant Greece comparisons.

199 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:56:09pm

re: #141 Dr Lizardo

Maybe that's how Al Jazeera gets on the air in the US. Dissolve Current TV's programming, and replace it with Al Jazeera programming.

re: #178 Gus

I don't know what's going on but I doubt that AJ wants Current TV's market but their infrastructure. AJ isn't "lefty" and its AJ English format isn't even close to Current TV's format. They said they want to compete with CNN.

That's exactly what AJ's doing; they're buying Current TV for its carriage agreements and infrastructure, while the programming gets the shredder.

200 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:58:04pm
201 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 2:59:55pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Bet you she doesn't know that he has a Jewish brother in law. Michelle's brother is a convert. Errr realized that I think it's her cousin but still. Pam just wants to make POTUS out to be Anti-Semitic so she can feel oppressed. It's pathetic really.

He's not just Jewish, he's a prominent rabbi.
[Link: forward.com...]

202 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:00:38pm

re: #195 Political Atheist

BTW I left you a link in the Page on the new social media law.

Thanks dude.

203 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:03:17pm

re: #201 sagehen

He's not just Jewish, he's a prominent rabbi.
[Link: forward.com...]

Very cool and fascinating.

204 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:04:45pm

re: #132 Gus

Whoa!

Current TV Reportedly To Be Purchased By Al Jazeera, Programming To Be ‘Dissolved’

So they're buying it just for cable carrier contracts and throwing away the rest of it?

205 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:06:31pm

re: #204 sagehen

It appears so. I hope someone buys the Vanguard series of documentaries and continues to make new ones, that's one of the highlights of Current, IMO.

206 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:06:38pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

It's already available via Direct TV, Channel - 375 and Dish Network, Channel - 9410 as well as some cable systems
[Link: www.aljazeera.com...]

I can only get it on the intertuubbz.

207 Randall Gross  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:06:58pm

re: #204 sagehen

So they're buying it just for cable carrier contracts and throwing away the rest of it?

Dude, you don't get creeping shariah at all do you?

///

208 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:07:32pm

re: #199 TedStriker

re: #178 Gus

That's exactly what AJ's doing; they're buying Current TV for its carriage agreements and infrastructure, while the programming gets the shredder.

AJ buying Current and using it as a vehicle to possibly create Al Jazeera America is a major move.

Cue up Pammy Gellar in 5...4...3...2....

CREEPING SHARIA!1!!

209 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:08:57pm

re: #205 A Mom Anon

It appears so. I hope someone buys the Vanguard series of documentaries and continues to make new ones, that's one of the highlights of Current, IMO.

Oh, those are really good.

210 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:10:18pm

re: #204 sagehen

So they're buying it just for cable carrier contracts and throwing away the rest of it?

That's what it says in the NYT. I imagine they'd keep things like Vanguard which is very similar to what AJE does for documentaries. They have studios/offices in LA, San Francisco, and Manhattan. Possibly more.

211 ninja cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:13:14pm

re: #205 A Mom Anon

It appears so. I hope someone buys the Vanguard series of documentaries and continues to make new ones, that's one of the highlights of Current, IMO.

Agreed. That's the only programming I ever watch on Current.

212 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:13:44pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I don't know if Al JAz intentionally markets towards lefty audiences but that's pretty much the demographic that they get. I'll tune in for live coverage of event in the Arabic speaking world since they often the only ones with reporters on the scene but the only places I see high praise for the network in lefty blogs. It could be interesting to see what they do. Over the previous decades major western news org have cut way back on their international offices so they might have a niche market but I still think it'll be a tough sell for American audiences who aren't that interested in international affairs. They might do better in Europe.

They market towards people who care what's going on in other places besides the US; people who think the rest of the world actually matters. Ergo, lefty audiences.

213 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:14:25pm

re: #201 sagehen

He's not just Jewish, he's a prominent rabbi.
[Link: forward.com...]

“He really jumped on everyone’s radar after the 2004 convention,” Funnye said. “That’s when some people said, ‘Isn’t he related to you or something?’ I said, ‘Yeah, he’s married to my cousin, and she’s making him everything that he is.’”

Read more: [Link: forward.com...]

I think I like this Rabbi! :)

214 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:15:25pm
215 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:17:06pm

I fail to see the outrage with regards to AJ and CTV.

216 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:17:13pm

re: #212 sagehen

They market towards people who care what's going on in other places besides the US; people who think the rest of the world actually matters. Ergo, lefty audiences.

The screaming media faces and bubbleheads at Fox News are gonna shriek about this, rest assured.

ZOMG THE MUSLIMS NOW HAVE ACCESS TO OUR MEDIA TO IMPOSE THEIR MUSLIMY COMMIEFASCIST SHARIA STEALTH JIHAD AGENDA !1!

217 ninja cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:17:58pm

re: #186 Killgore Trout

but the only places I see high praise for the network in lefty blogs.

I can't really imagine someone at Red State or a Freeper commenting that 'they were just watching on AJ...'

218 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:18:13pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

I fail to see the outrage with regards to AJ and CTV.

Squint harder.
/

219 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:18:43pm

re: #214 Gus

Ugh #CurrentAlJazeeraShowPitches

Stupid.

Some exceptions:

220 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:18:49pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

I fail to see the outrage with regards to AJ and CTV.

I see irony.

221 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:19:06pm

re: #219 Interesting Times

Some exceptions:

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222 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:19:07pm

"Jim Treacher," still a clown.

"We’re told she collapsed and hit her head and got a concussion, and that’s why she can’t testify about Benghazi this week. And we’re supposed to just take her word for it."
[Link: dailycaller.com...]

"When I questioned Hillary Clinton’s health claims, I was relying on the best intelligence available at the time. Oh, that one doesn’t work for you all of a sudden, lefties? How about that."
[Link: dailycaller.com...]

Wahh!

223 biorabbi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:19:22pm

I really like Christie. One of the things that initially impressed me was his defending a Muslim official in a legal department I believe from detractors based on religious arguments... ie of the ilk of Gellar. Christie would have none of it and defended this official and mocked the religious issue entirely.

If the choice were Hillary versus Christie in '16, I would vote for Christie. Biden versus Christie, I would be seriously conflicted as I like both men very much. What I love most about Christie is his honesty. He really doesn't care what people say.

Actually, a 'Fusion' Biden--Christie ticket would be quite interesting in '16.

224 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:19:59pm

re: #212 sagehen

They market towards people who care what's going on in other places besides the US; people who think the rest of the world actually matters. Ergo, lefty audiences.

And possibly people who are brainwashed into believing that any contact with anything Arabic or Persian will turn them into some sort of perceived evil islamist drone.

The permanently paranoid are really just cowards who are afraid to use their own brains.

225 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:20:14pm

re: #204 sagehen

So they're buying it just for cable carrier contracts and throwing away the rest of it?

Pretty much.

I wonder if they'll keep the Current TV brand or start a new one, in order to go after prospective viewers who are immediately distrustful of Al-Jazeera (see: RWNJs).

226 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:20:15pm

re: #204 sagehen

So they're buying it just for cable carrier contracts and throwing away the rest of it?

That would be the smartest step. Keep the infrastructure, kill the programming.

Honestly, Al Jazeera English is really well done. All the RWNJ freak-outs aside, they're damn good at what they do.

227 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:21:33pm

re: #214 Gus

Ugh #CurrentAlJazeeraShowPitches

Stupid.

228 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:21:35pm

re: #225 TedStriker

Pretty much.

I wonder if they'll keep the Current TV brand, in order to go after prospective viewers who are immediately distrustful of Al-Jazeera (see: RWNJs).

That wouldn't work. RWNJs hate CTV because Al Gore.

229 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:21:48pm

Christie has actually angered the likes of Marc Morano and Sen. Inhofe with his statements about global warming. He's not toeing the standand anti-science GOP line.

In the past I’ve always said that climate change is real and it’s impacting our state. There’s undeniable data that CO2 levels and other greenhouse gases in our atmosphere are increasing. This decade average temperatures have been rising, temperature changes are affecting weather patterns and our climate. In order to best deal with climate change we have to understand its causes. That was the root of the question that I was asking at the time of my town hall meetings and it’s gotten a lot of attention. So in the last number of months since that time I’ve taken some time to develop a better understanding of the role that humans play in global warming and what impact human activity has on our climate. The last few months I’ve sat down with experts both inside the government and outside the administration in academia and other places, to discuss the issue in depth. I’ve also done some reading on my own on the topic as well. I’m certainly not a scientist which is the first problem.

So, I can’t claim to fully understand all of this. Certainly not after just a few months of study. But when you have over 90% of the world’s scientists who have studied this stating that climate change is occurring and that humans play a contributing role it’s time to defer to the experts. Climate science is complex though and we’re just beginning to have a fuller understanding of humans’ role in all of this. But we know enough to know that we are at least a part of the problem. So looking forward, we need to work to put policies in place that act at reducing those contributing factors.

[Link: www.state.nj.us...]

I know some people are likely to point out that Christie made these statements while pulling out of RGGI, but Christie's reasons for doing so (among others, because Pennsylvania and states outside of RGGI would just undercut NJ energy with cheap dirty energy) are a real problem with regional cooperatives and point to the need for a national energy strategy, which no one seems to be talking about.

230 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:22:06pm

re: #228 makeitstop

That wouldn't work. RWNJs hate CTV because Al Gore.

Just thought of that and edited.

231 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:23:31pm

re: #225 TedStriker

RWNJs aren't going to watch Current TV because the evil devil in earth tones owned it and created it, no matter what AJ does to keep the Current brand alive.

232 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:23:57pm

Damn. That's one nasty trend.

233 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:24:02pm

re: #226 Lidane

That would be the smartest step. Keep the infrastructure, kill the programming.

Honestly, Al Jazeera English is really well done. All the RWNJ freak-outs aside, they're damn good at what they do.

Al Jazeera English is well done. When I want to catch up on international news (in English), that's usually who I watch online. They have good coverage, and not just of the Middle East only.

234 Kragar  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:25:54pm

GOP obstruction kills 18-year-old Violence Against Women Act

Though the Senate approved the VAWA last year with bipartisan support, Republicans in the U.S. House had opposed the legislation because it added new protections for illegal immigrants, LGBT individuals, and Native Americans.

“The House Republican leadership’s failure to take up and pass the Senate’s bipartisan and inclusive VAWA bill is inexcusable,” Sen. Patty Murray said in a statement to The Maddow Blog. “This is a bill that passed with 68 votes in the Senate and that extends the bill’s protections to 30 million more women. But this seems to be how House Republican leadership operates. No matter how broad the bipartisan support, no matter who gets hurt in the process, the politics of the right wing of their party always comes first.”

Rather than vote on the Senate version of the VAWA, House Republicans passed their own watered-down version of the bill that omitted the new provisions. The White House warned it would veto the House bill, which was opposed by groups like the National Network to End Domestic Violence, the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, the National Alliance to End Sexual Violence, the American Bar Association, and others because it ignored vulnerable populations.

Vice President Joe Biden and Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA) were reportedly in last-minute talks to resolve the differences between the House and Senate bills, but nothing materialized before the legislative session ended.

235 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:26:10pm

Cue the RWNJ freak-outs:

236 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:28:10pm

Al Jazeera English is very well done, I agree, except when the subject turns to Israel, when the bias just drips off the screen - at least in the shows I've watched, which hasn't been a lot, I'll admit.

I'll never forget seeing a show that aired on the Arabic version of Al Jazeera, though - a birthday party for the Palestinian terrorist who sneaked into an Israeli community and murdered several members of an Israeli family in an absolutely horrible way, and was released in a prisoner swap. It was a truly loathsome show, and that wasn't just right wing propaganda; they treated this mass murderer as a celebrity and a hero. Left a lasting bad impression on me.

Having said that, I do agree that AJ English is not like this; most of the time it's very professional.

237 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:28:49pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

Al Jazeera English is very well done, I agree, except when the subject turns to Israel, when the bias just drips off the screen - at least in the shows I've watched, which hasn't been a lot, I'll admit.

I'll never forget seeing a show that aired on the Arabic version of Al Jazeera, though - a birthday party for the Palestinian terrorist who sneaked into an Israeli community and murdered several members of an Israeli family in an absolutely horrible way, and was released in a prisoner swap. It was a truly loathsome show, and that wasn't just right wing propaganda; they treated this mass murderer as a celebrity and a hero. Left a lasting bad impression on me.

Having said that, I do agree that AJ English is not like this; most of the time it's very professional.

It's pretty ugly here: #CurrentAlJazeeraShowPitches

238 sagehen  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:29:10pm

re: #223 biorabbi

I really like Christie. One of the things that initially impressed me was his defending a Muslim official in a legal department I believe from detractors based on religious arguments... ie of the ilk of Gellar. Christie would have none of it and defended this official and mocked the religious issue entirely.

If the choice were Hillary versus Christie in '16, I would vote for Christie. Biden versus Christie, I would be seriously conflicted as I like both men very much. What I love most about Christie is his honesty. He really doesn't care what people say.

Actually, a 'Fusion' Biden--Christie ticket would be quite interesting in '16.

I hereby predict: Hillary's not going to run in 2016.

She's taking some time to savor how much people like her right now, how many people who hated her 4 years ago have changed their minds... but after a book tour, she'll realize (or admit publically, having realized it already), that people born in 1947 really ought not run for president in 2016.

Joe Biden will also not run, because he was born in 1942.

239 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:30:43pm

I've not found any evidence that Chris Christie has been vocal about Reproductive Rights or any issue regarding women other than jobs.

He is GOP Economy and Money all the way.

240 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:30:54pm

re: #229 KingKenrod

He said something very different here: Gov. Christie Says He's Skeptical That Global Warming Is Caused by Humans.

241 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:31:43pm

re: #223 biorabbi

I really like Christie. One of the things that initially impressed me was his defending a Muslim official in a legal department I believe from detractors based on religious arguments... ie of the ilk of Gellar. Christie would have none of it and defended this official and mocked the religious issue entirely.

If the choice were Hillary versus Christie in '16, I would vote for Christie. Biden versus Christie, I would be seriously conflicted as I like both men very much. What I love most about Christie is his honesty. He really doesn't care what people say.

Actually, a 'Fusion' Biden--Christie ticket would be quite interesting in '16.

I can't get over the Bob Menendez thing...that was right out of the Karl Rove playbook, and unfitting any candidate i could take seriously

242 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:32:15pm

I don't really understand PETA, but I will say, I enjoy this ad.

243 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:32:40pm

re: #223 biorabbi

I couldn't ever vote for Christie. I just don't like him. He is completely overbearing, and, while not a crazy Republican, he still rolls over workers whenever he can.

He's no different than any sane Republican (granted, few and far between), but he is still all about business and nothing about people.

244 Varek Raith  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:32:58pm

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

I don't really understand PETA, but I will say, I enjoy this ad.

Hah!
Didn't realize it was you, ggt.
Tricksy.

245 KingKenrod  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:33:06pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

He said something very different here: Gov. Christie Says He's Skeptical That Global Warming Is Caused by Humans.

He alluded to that ("town halls" etc) in the statement I posted, which was made later.

246 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:34:36pm

re: #244 Varek Raith

Hah!
Didn't realize it was you, ggt.
Tricksy.

Who else would it be?

;)

247 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:35:10pm

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

I don't really understand PETA, but I will say, I enjoy this ad.

PETA is a terrorist organization. They kill animals. If you have a pet and they get their mitts on him or her, they will kill them. Their rabid members let dogs out of crates only so they can get hit by cars (I used to show dogs and that happened twice). Ingrid and her rabid followers can suck my ass.

248 majii  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:35:35pm

It's a shame, but sometimes things have to get personal before some are able to see the real people behind their "purity," and it seems that Christie, Peter King, and some other republicans just had an epiphany about this. They've blindly carried water for the GOP for so long that they had begun to think that the pettiness, lack of empathy, and selfish behavior didn't apply to them and their constituents, but as of yesterday, their eyes have been opened to the fact that with some republicans, there are no exceptions. Just as republicans in Congress have denied millions of Americans' cries for assistance with finding employment and saving their homes since 2008, some republican lawmakers in Congress are getting a taste of what they've been doing to other Americans.

249 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:36:16pm

re: #238 sagehen

I hereby predict: Hillary's not going to run in 2016.

She's taking some time to savor how much people like her right now, how many people who hated her 4 years ago have changed their minds... but after a book tour, she'll realize (or admit publically, having realized it already), that people born in 1947 really ought not run for president in 2016.

Joe Biden will also not run, because he was born in 1942.

That's probably for the best. Both of them have been wonderful public servants but it will be time for some new blood. There's a lot of good Democratic senators and governors out there who would make good standard bearers for the party. I think it will be a competitive race.

250 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:36:28pm

re: #245 KingKenrod

Also: Critics: Christie Deep-Sixed Climate Change Prep | Transportation Nation.

Thrift is an issue Christie is comfortable talking about. Climate science isn't. As Sandy was bearing down on the region , WNYC's Bob Hennelly asked Christie if the Governor was discussing the increasing severity of storms with climate change scientists.

"No, that's over my head.," Christie replied.

That's been Christie's approach to questions about climate change. Once he said he was "skeptical." When he was pressed about the increasing severity of storms, he maintained he's a lawyer, not a scientist.

"But that's what we have an academic community to do is to think about those bigger issues and if those experts have an answer for me, my door is always open to listen to them," Christie said.

So he may do the chameleon thing depending on who he's talking to, but when it comes to the bottom line he's no different than any other Republican.

251 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:36:36pm

re: #237 Gus

It's pretty ugly here: #CurrentAlJazeeraShowPitches

And of course, cue the asylum inmates Freepers:

To: autumnraine

What better vehicle to unleash cells already here than coded messages
on Current TV to terrorist ready to strike.
What better vehicle to hide behind when u are caught taking video or
pictures of potential targets. Hide behind freedom of the press.
Great idea for terrorist, bad idea for Americans.

20 posted on Thursday, January 3, 2013 0:33:43 by tennmountainman
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Now, who didn't see that coming?

252 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:37:17pm

re: #248 majii

While I can understand Peter King's anger, he voted against hurricane relief himself in the past.

I feel sorry for all American's who have become nothing more than pawns in the disgusting political environment that has become America.

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:38:00pm

Christie may not be as bad as Romney but I'd still vote for the Dem nominee over him with ease. That said, if there were more Republicans like Christie, their party wouldn't suck as much but they still would suck. Get over the culture war crap Republicans and stop telling Americans that their gay and lesbian friends and family marrying is a threat to us because it's just not.

254 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:38:24pm

re: #247 Joanne

PETA is a terrorist organization. They kill animals. If you have a pet and they get their mitts on him or her, they will kill them. Their rabid members let dogs out of crates only so they can get hit by cars (I used to show dogs and that happened twice). Ingrid and her rabid followers can suck my ass.

Well, coming from a long line of hunters and meat-eaters, I've never really paid attention to them. I did read that they euthanize animals which is blatant hypocrisy.

255 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:38:25pm

re: #252 Joanne

While I can understand Peter King's anger, he voted against hurricane relief himself in the past.

If you're talking about Katrina, I believe it's already been established that that was the other douchebag clownshoes Rep. King, Steve of Iowa.

256 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:39:00pm

Potato leek soup for dinner tonight. Only thing that's missing is the Guinness and corned beef and cabbage.

257 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:39:22pm

re: #255 erik_t

If you're talking about Katrina, I believe it's already been established that that was the other douchebag clownshoes Rep. King, Steve of Iowa.

No, it wasn't Katrina...I read it on HuffPo today. I **think** it was Irene. I read it off Twitter. Let me see if I can find it.

258 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:39:49pm

re: #255 erik_t

If you're talking about Katrina, I believe it's already been established that that was the other douchebag clownshoes Rep. King, Steve of Iowa.

Yep. Peter King voted yes.

259 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:40:20pm

re: #257 Joanne

No, it wasn't Katrina...I read it on HuffPo today. I **think** it was Irene. I read it off Twitter. Let me see if I can find it.

Not surprised. As I said earlier. I understand a little why he's upset but goddamn dude look at yourself and your party. This isn't exactly uncharted ground for the GOP to oppose hurricane relief funds.

260 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:40:23pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Potato leek soup for dinner tonight. Only thing that's missing is the Guinness and corned beef and cabbage.

with garlic, I hope.

261 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:40:38pm

re: #232 Gus

Damn. That's one nasty trend.

Ugh, just looked at it. As usual, the wingnuts are taking it as license to post any old bigoted thing they feel like spewing.

262 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:41:29pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

with garlic, I hope.

Not sure. Hopefully the boss knows what she's doing.

263 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:41:44pm

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

Who else would it be?

;)

This is why you need an avatar.

And don't change the avatar and the nic at the same time!

264 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:43:06pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Christie may not be as bad as Romney but I'd still vote for the Dem nominee over him with ease.

Yeah, this. Voting GOP means voting for things I don't agree with on principle. That's not going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

That said, if there were more Republicans like Christie, their party wouldn't suck as much but they still would suck. Get over the culture war crap Republicans and stop telling Americans that their gay and lesbian friends and family marrying is a threat to us because it's just not.

Seriously. The sooner the GOP ditches the mouth-breathers and culture warrior bullshit, the better off the Republicans will be in the long run.

265 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:45:20pm

re: #264 Lidane

Yeah, this. Voting GOP means voting for things I don't agree with on principle. That's not going to happen anytime soon, if at all.

Seriously. The sooner the GOP ditches the mouth-breathers and culture warrior bullshit, the better off we'll all bewill be in the long run.

FTFY. But yeah. I'm a social liberal. Just because Chris Christie isn't totally insane when it comes to disaster relief, Islam, President Obama isn't going to make me forget that I disagree with him considerably more than I agree with him. Nor will I forget that he was a huge cheerleader for Mitt Romney, a man who I really think would have been worse than both previous Republican nominees for president.

266 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:45:40pm

re: #257 Joanne

No, it wasn't Katrina...I read it on HuffPo today. I **think** it was Irene. I read it off Twitter. Let me see if I can find it.

There was never any specific aid from congress provided for hurricane Irene.

267 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:46:02pm

At 13 minutes he comes awefully close to calling John Boehner flatout a liar.

268 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:46:14pm

Now this all said, I do appreciate it when Christie tells the jackasses in his party and on the right to fuck off. They need that sometime from one of their own. Probably more than they need it from someone on the left.

269 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:47:18pm
270 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:47:21pm

re: #255 erik_t

If you're talking about Katrina, I believe it's already been established that that was the other douchebag clownshoes Rep. King, Steve of Iowa.

Maybe you're right. I cannot find the source now.

271 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:48:05pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

Now this all said, I do appreciate it when Christie tells the jackasses in his party and on the right to fuck off. They need that sometime from one of their own. Probably more than they need it from someone on the left.

Yes, I think he is trolling for political capital more than anything else.

272 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:48:59pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. I see the flow of derp continues in an unbroken stream from our beloved wingnuts. What's new, lizardfolk?

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:49:00pm

re: #270 Joanne

Maybe you're right. I cannot find the source now.

I think it may have been Steve King. Because I remember a really stupid quote by him about Katrina relief being posted. Peter King's dickhead specialty seems to be about Muslims. So many dickheads, I can see why it gets confusing.

274 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:49:56pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

This is why you need an avatar.

And don't change the avatar and the nic at the same time!

I'll think about it. . . .

275 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:50:59pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I think it may have been Steve King. Because I remember a really stupid quote by him about Katrina relief being posted. Peter King's dickhead specialty seems to be about Muslims. So many dickheads, I can see why it gets confusing.

Something about "Gucci bags and massage parlors?"

276 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:51:06pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

I think it may have been Steve King. Because I remember a really stupid quote by him about Katrina relief being posted. Peter King's dickhead specialty seems to be about Muslims. So many dickheads, I can see why it gets confusing.

Steve King said some bullshit about Gucci bags. This was just about not providing aid during Irene without offsets. But I can't find it now.

Of course, I am on a computer and not my beloved Tweets app. I don't understand how Twitter became so popular on a computer. It's interface and how it works on a PC sucks. Tweets makes Twitter usable.

277 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:51:12pm

re: #274 FemNaziBitch

You could make it the photo of that shriveled sausage-fest congressional contraception hearing!

278 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:51:37pm

I'm am still at a loss how Reproductive Rights are not recognized as an Economic Issue.

A MAJOR ECONOMIC ISSUE.

anyone?

279 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:52:31pm

re: #277 Interesting Times

You could make it the photo of that shriveled sausage-fest congressional contraception hearing!

This one?

How do I do that?

280 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:52:36pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

I'm am still at a loss how Reproductive Rights are not recognized as an Economic Issue.

A MAJOR ECONOMIC ISSUE.

anyone?

Because of lady parts. I wish I was kidding.

281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:52:55pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

I'm am still at a loss how Reproductive Rights are not recognized as an Economic Issue.

A MAJOR ECONOMIC ISSUE.

anyone?

Because vagina, that's why.

282 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:53:15pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

I'm am still at a loss how Reproductive Rights are not recognized as an Economic Issue.

A MAJOR ECONOMIC ISSUE.

anyone?

It is...completely. Reproductive rights isn't about reproduction at all. It is about making women dependent upon men, because nothing makes a woman more dependent on someone than a starving, crying child. And a woman having a baby at age 16 is going to, more times than not, be dependent upon someone else.

283 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:53:27pm

re: #276 Joanne

Steve King said some bullshit about Gucci bags. This was just about not providing aid during Irene without offsets. But I can't find it now.

Of course, I am on a computer and not my beloved Tweets app. I don't understand how Twitter became so popular on a computer. It's interface and how it works on a PC sucks. Tweets makes Twitter usable.

Steve King: Hurricane Sandy Aid Must Have Strings Attached To Avoid Waste On 'Gucci Bags'

Also:

And:

Legislative Search Results | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Results for: "hurricane irene"

All bills for Irene remain as "introduced" and nothing ever came out of congress at this time.

284 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:54:28pm

I know we always need to weigh every word thet say since most of it is filth, but Breitbart says that Boehner might resign tonight.

Well, Breitbart is of course the National Enquirer of medialand....

285 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:54:31pm

re: #280 Lidane

Because of lady parts. I wish I was kidding.

re: #281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Because vagina, that's why.

Well, if the last election wasn't enough of a clue . . . .

Women aren't going to stop watching and voting.

286 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:55:20pm

Maybe I'll make my new bumper sticker:

VAGINAS VOTE

287 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:55:59pm

This is the bogus blog post that started the false rumors about Peter King: [Link: freethoughtblogs.com...]

Apparently someone didn't drink enough coffee this morning. I don't mind disliking Peter King but lying and continuing to spread false information is wrong.

288 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:56:17pm

re: #285 FemNaziBitch

re: #281 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Well, if the last election wasn't enough of a clue . . . .

Women aren't going to stop watching and voting.

If they're busy raising kids, they won't be able to wait 6 hrs. in line to vote. Win-win!!

289 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:56:31pm

re: #285 FemNaziBitch

Well, if the last election wasn't enough of a clue . . . .

Women aren't going to stop watching and voting.

Yeah, but in this manly man's world, they're irrelevant. It's only a matter of time. You'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE!

290 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:56:35pm

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

Maybe I'll make my new bumper sticker:

Jesus no likeee

291 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:57:36pm

re: #288 wrenchwench

wanna bet?

292 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:57:51pm

re: #290 wilburs

Jesus no likeee

Well, all the more reason.

293 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:58:46pm

re: #279 FemNaziBitch

This one?

How do I do that?

Go to [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] and then you'll get the option to upload an avatar pic.

294 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 3:59:18pm

Remember, folks, every time a woman does something uppity, God kills a fat old white guy. Please, keep America white; get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

295 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:00:07pm

re: #284 William of Orange

I know we always need to wiegh every word thet say since most of it is filth, but Breitbart says that Boehner might resign tonight.

Well, Breitbart is of course the National Enquirer of medialand....

And of course, you know what picture they will use when Christie goes after his own party...


And look at this language...

Today, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), focusing like a laser on his goal of apparently becoming the Democratic nominee in 2016, attacked House Republicans for failing to pass the pork-laden Hurricane Sandy $60 billion relief bill.

But the rotund demagogue wasn’t quite finished. “Our people were played last night as a pawn,” said Christie. “That’s why people hate Washington, D.C. Last night, my party was responsible.”

Yeah yeah, again about Chirstie's physical appearance.

296 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:00:07pm

OK, my account screen doesn't give me the option of using an image from my image library for my avatar. I have no idea which removable drive I've stored it on, so it will be a while before the Jezebel Congressional Hearing will be my avatar.

297 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:01:18pm

re: #287 Gus

This is the bogus blog post that started the false rumors about Peter King: [Link: freethoughtblogs.com...]

Apparently someone didn't drink enough coffee this morning. I don't mind disliking Peter King but lying and continuing to spread false information is wrong.

Yeah I agree there. I don't like the man but it's not fair to attribute Steve King's asshole behavior and record to him. I mean errors happen but I think as soon as you find out that you're wrong to stop promoting them. Kind of like that stupid meme that claimed Romney's campaign slogan was taken from a Hitler slogan. Attack them for what they actually have done and do. In King's case as was in Romney's case, there's plenty of room.

298 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:01:23pm

Another one. This time from the right:

Mind you, King was one of only 11 congressmen who voted against aid for Hurricane Katrina. He also insisted relief spending for Hurricane Irene needed to be offset by spending cuts elsewhere.

Wrong.

299 Interesting Times  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:01:51pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

You can re-download it from your image library. Or even from here:

Image: webjezebel.jpg

Just right-click (or whatever the Mac equiv. is) and choose "Save image as". Then you'll have a copy on your computer which you can then upload as an avatar.

/I once worked in tech support, can you tell? ;)

300 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:02:22pm

re: #294 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Remember, folks, every time a woman does something uppity, God kills a fat old white guy. Please, keep America white; get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

hmmmmm

What if the woman isn't white?

301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:02:54pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

hmmmmm

Sorry, you don't get to pick the target. Tempting thought, I know.

302 wilburs  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:04:06pm

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

hmmmmm

What if the woman isn't white?

2 old white guys

303 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:07:29pm

re: #299 Interesting Times

You can re-download it from your image library. Or even from here:

Image: webjezebel.jpg

Just right-click (or whatever the Mac equiv. is) and choose "Save image as". Then you'll have a copy on your computer which you can then upload as an avatar.

/I once worked in tech support, can you tell? ;)

You are so kewl!

BTW, I had to resize it to 32K. But, that, I figured-out how to do all by myself!

304 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:09:21pm

re: #301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Sorry, you don't get to pick the target. Tempting thought, I know.

Actually, I'd rather the old white guy just have a brain/heart transplant. A spiritual experience or swift kick to the nuts --what ever would cause him to see reality. Better than killin' him.

I'd really like us to live together in some 'semblence of harmony for the betterment of all. Or at least, to be able to work together from the same set of facts.

305 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:10:09pm

VAREK,

NOW do you know me?

306 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:11:40pm

re: #304 FemNaziBitch

Actually, I'd rather the old white guy just have a brain/heart transplant. A spiritual experience or swift kick to the nuts --what ever would cause him to see reality. Better than killin' him.

I'd really like us to live together in some 'semblence of harmony for the betterment of all. Or at least, to be able to work together from the same set of facts.

It'd be fantastic, but honestly, there will always be an abundance of stupid in the world and said stupid will always get in the way of people being able to coexist peaceably.

307 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:13:08pm

re: #282 Joanne

It is...completely. Reproductive rights isn't about reproduction at all. It is about making women dependent upon men, because nothing makes a woman more dependent on someone than a starving, crying child. And a woman having a baby at age 16 is going to, more times than not, be dependent upon someone else.

It affects not only the women and children, but the good men who work like slaves to support their ever growing family in poverty. How many men have had their dreams dashed because their girlfriend got pregnant and they "had" to get married? How many college educations forsaken? How much have we lost in human resources because of the lack of availability of contraception in the past.

The feudal lords love uncontrolled breeding by the serfs --just gives them more serfs and makes slaves of the parents.

308 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:14:11pm

re: #306 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

It'd be fantastic, but honestly, there will always be an abundance of stupid in the world and said stupid will always get in the way of people being able to coexist peaceably.

Well, without a goal . . . .

309 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:14:24pm

OT, but the Chair of the Illinois Republican Party has just announced his support for same-sex marriage.

The momentum continues to build for same sex marriage in Illinois.

On Wednesday, Pat Brady, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, said he was putting his "full support" behind marriage equality legislation pending in Springfield.

A bit more here: [Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

More fuel for the GOP civil war on the one hand, and a recognition that the times, they are a-changin', as a wise man once put it.

310 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:16:17pm

re: #309 Dr Lizardo

OT, but the Chair of the Illinois Republican Party has just announced his support for same-sex marriage.

A bit more here: [Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

More fuel for the GOP civil war on the one hand, and a recognition that the times, they are a-changin', as a wise man once put it.

That "wise man" was a damn dirty hippie! Eleventy!

Seriously, though -- the mouth-breathers on the socon right are going to have to get used to it. Society is progressing all around them. They can either deal with it or STFU.

311 ninja cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:16:37pm

I must share kitty vid, apropos of nothing.

Sail!

312 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:17:05pm

re: #310 Lidane

Seriously, though -- the mouth-breathers on the socon right are going to have to get used to it. Society is progressing all around them. They can either deal with it or STFU.

They want American to be the Christian version of Iran.

They'll fight blindly until defeated.

313 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:18:35pm

re: #311 ninja cat

I must share kitty vid, apropos of nothing.

Sail!

on my fb

314 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:20:57pm

re: #309 Dr Lizardo

OT, but the Chair of the Illinois Republican Party has just announced his support for same-sex marriage.

The momentum continues to build for same sex marriage in Illinois.

On Wednesday, Pat Brady, chairman of the Illinois Republican Party, said he was putting his "full support" behind marriage equality legislation pending in Springfield.

A bit more here: [Link: blogs.suntimes.com...]

More fuel for the GOP civil war on the one hand, and a recognition that the times, they are a-changin', as a wise man once put it.

Good for him. And yeah the times are a changin' for the better.

315 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:21:08pm

re: #310 Lidane

Seriously, though -- the mouth-breathers on the socon right are going to have to get used to it. Society is progressing all around them. They can either deal with it or STFU.

LOL. A damn dirty hippie.

The SoCons find themselves in a quandry. On the one hand, they can't deal with it....they don't have the mental equipment to do so. On the other hand, them S'tingTFU is highly unlikely. They'll scream and wail and gnash teeth and rend garments, and ultimately they will die, and their worldview will largely die with them. It'll never completely vanish, though. Hell, there's still some folks who would probably love to see interracial marriages made illegal again, so even though society moves on by and large, the stupid will always be with us.

316 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:21:17pm

Well, after making the avatar, I need a rest.

It was a big step.

bbl

317 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:22:58pm

This may have been posted earlier... but, when you have this much antipathy where all you can do is run wide-eyed into denial, then you've got a problem:

318 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:23:04pm

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

Well, after making the avatar, I need a rest.

It was a big step.

bbl

Took you long enough! //

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:24:53pm

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

Well, after making the avatar, I need a rest.

It was a big step.

bbl

Needs more kitties. :(

320 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:24:58pm

And when I read things like this:

Republicans pledge to back Boehner, reversing earlier outrage

Then all I can conclude is that the earlier histrionics were all theater.

321 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:27:52pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Good for him. And yeah the times are a changin' for the better.

Indeed. A Muslim friend of mine, she's a bit more "traditional", if you will (not conservative, just mildly old-fashioned in certain regards) found it hard to believe I support SSM. I told her, look.....the world isn't the same anymore. Societies change, and we can either adapt or perish. Just because SSM exists certainly doesn't mean it's now mandatory. It's between them and God. And as Jesus (a.s.) once said, "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone". And, I concluded, in America, everyone, and that means EVERYONE, is equal before the law.

She understood my point of view. I don't think she's suddenly going to become an outspoken advocate of SSM anytime soon, but she now has a better understanding of the old adage, live and let live.

322 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:29:43pm

re: #321 Dr Lizardo

I'm honestly shocked to realize how many of my younger-generation conservative Christian friends support same-sex marriage. Honestly, I think once the old guard moves on to greener pastures, Christianity might not be in such a terribly backward spot, at least in evangelical Protestant circles.

323 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:34:06pm

re: #322 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I'm honestly shocked to realize how many of my younger-generation conservative Christian friends support same-sex marriage. Honestly, I think once the old guard moves on to greener pastures, Christianity might not be in such a terribly backward spot, at least in evangelical Protestant circles.

There's a significant generation gap on the issue of SSM. Even some of my younger, super-urbane Muslim friends are quite broadly supportive of SSM. They're still trying to work out some kind of theological justification for it, but I figure they will. People are endlessly creative after all.

I think that once the old guard moves on, as you put it, Evangelical Protestant Christianity will probably mellow out considerably.

In Islam, if the younger, more urbane and sophisticated Muslims come to the fore of leadership in the future, the religion itself will change quite dramatically. The current topic of discussion is that Islam needs a Rennaisance Era, much like what Europe went through.

324 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:35:42pm

New study documents the natural relationship between CO2 concentrations and sea level

By comparing reconstructions of atmospheric CO2 concentrations and sea level over the past 40 million years, researchers based at the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton have found that greenhouse gas concentrations similar to the present (almost 400 parts per million) were systematically associated with sea levels at least nine metres above current levels.

The study determined the 'natural equilibrium' sea level for CO2 concentrations ranging between ice-age values of 180 parts per million and ice-free values of more than 1,000 parts per million.

It takes many centuries for such an equilibrium to be reached, therefore whilst the study does not predict any sea level value for the coming century, it does illustrate what sea level might be expected if climate were stabilized at a certain CO2 level for several centuries.

Lead author Dr Gavin Foster, from Ocean and Earth Science at the University of Southampton which is based at the centre, said, "A specific case of interest is one in which CO2 levels are kept at 400 to 450 parts per million, because that is the requirement for the often mentioned target of a maximum of two degrees global warming."

[...]

The researchers found that the natural relationship displays a strong rise in sea level for CO2 increase from 180 to 400 parts per million, peaking at CO2 levels close to present-day values, with sea level at 24 +7/-15 metres above the present, at 68 per cent confidence limits.

"This strong relationship reflects the climatic sensitivity of the great ice sheets of the ice ages," said Dr Foster. "It continues above the present level because of the apparently similar sensitivity of the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets, plus possibly some coastal parts of East Antarctica."

According to the study, sea level stays more or less constant for CO2 changes between 400 and 650 parts per million and it is only for CO2 levels above 650 parts per million that the researchers again saw a strong sea level response for a given CO2 change.

"This trend reflects the behaviour of the large East Antarctic ice sheet in response to climate changes at these very high CO2 levels. An ice-free planet, with sea level 65 metres above the present, occurred in the past when CO2 levels were around 1200 parts per million."

[...]

So, how about those Vikings beating Green Bay....

325 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:36:28pm

I really do think age does play a role in attitudes on SSM. NOt that there aren't people my generation who are bigots on the issue but by and large 18-30 year olds tend to be more open-minded on the issue than older people in my observations. I would say it's similar to how Civil Rights were in the 1960's in that regard.

326 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:37:20pm

Oh, yes, the money shot:

Based on these results, which document how the Earth system has operated in the past, future stabilization of CO2 at 400-450 parts per million is unlikely to be sufficient to avoid a significant steady long-term sea level rise.

327 Stanghazi  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:37:55pm

re: #315 Dr Lizardo

LOL. A damn dirty hippie.

The SoCons find themselves in a quandry. On the one hand, they can't deal with it....they don't have the mental equipment to do so. On the other hand, them S'tingTFU is highly unlikely. They'll scream and wail and gnash teeth and rend garments, and ultimately they will die, and their worldview will largely die with them. It'll never completely vanish, though. Hell, there's still some folks who would probably love to see interracial marriages made illegal again, so even though society moves on by and large, the stupid will always be with us.

A segue into the Sugar Bowl I'm psyching up for as a Gator fan. Charlie Strong the opposing Coach for Louisville was the defensive coordinator for UF winning 2 national championships. He could not get a head coaching job in the SEC it is said, because he's married to a white woman. Southern racism can even be more: important than SEC footbsll :(

328 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:39:01pm
329 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:42:53pm

re: #327 Stanghazi

A segue into the Sugar Bowl I'm psyching up for as a Gator fan. Charlie Strong the opposing Coach for Louisville was the defensive coordinator for UF winning 2 national championships. He could not get a head coaching job in the SEC it is said, because he's married to a white woman. Southern racism can even be more: important than SEC footbsll :(

Man. But in my personal experience, in the mid 90s I was dating a black girl (hell, I was living with her!) in Portland, Oregon. Tolerant Portland, as Jello Biafra sarcastically described it.

The looks and stares we got from a lot of the white folks were unbelievable. Really creepy, and I heard, "n----- lover" under some people's breaths more than once.

330 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:43:06pm

Did the sun look bigger to you today?

Earth is closest to the sun for 2013 today

331 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:46:11pm

And now it's apparently official. Al Jazeera has acquired Current TV, and will use it as a springboard for Al Jazeera America.

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Pam Gellar to completely freak out shortly.

332 jaunte  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:46:33pm

re: #319 Feline Fearless Leader

Sorry, accidental hit.

333 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:46:52pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

And now it's apparently official. Al Jazeera has acquired Current TV, and will use it as a springboard for Al Jazeera America.

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Pam Gellar to completely freak out shortly.

Anybody else hear that whistling sound? I thought it was a tea kettle, but apparently it's the steam coming out of Pam's head.

334 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:47:27pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

Pam Gellar to completely freak out shortly.

Where'd you get the time machine?

335 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:47:34pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

Some of the right wing blogs are simply using it to pile onto AL GORE!!

336 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:48:08pm

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

And now it's apparently official. Al Jazeera has acquired Current TV, and will use it as a springboard for Al Jazeera America.

[Link: mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Pam Gellar to completely freak out shortly.

Looks like it was updated. Some new info:

Current’s programming will continue for about three months. Then an international feed of Al Jazeera English will be simulcast on the channel. Sometime later in 2013, the rebranded Al Jazeera news channel, with 60 percent American programming, will start.

Al Jazeera intends to open new bureaus across the United States to support the American programming. The news operation currently has bureaus in New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Miami, and Chicago.

337 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:48:09pm

Prediction: all sorts of crowing about how the FCC should prevent this Al Jazeera acquisition; nary a breath about free speech.

338 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:49:47pm

re: #336 Gus

Looks like it was updated. Some new info:

CREEPING SHARIA!

339 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:52:01pm

re: #336 Gus

Al Jazeera intends to open new bureaus across the United States to support the American programming. The news operation currently has bureaus in New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Miami, and Chicago.

And soon to be announced, HQ in Dearbornistan! ///

340 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:52:44pm

re: #333 Targetpractice

Oh, that's what that sound was. I'm sure an insane, barely literate screed will appear in short order on her blog. I'd look, but I don't want to get my computer all dirty and shit.

341 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:53:11pm

Without going all wingnut I'm not totally sanguine about the Al Jazeera purchase of Current either. Don't forget that this is a news organization owned by the royal family of Qatar - it's not a private enterprise. Even putting aside the questionable programming that appears on the Arabic version, we should always be skeptical of a media network owned by an authoritarian monarchy.

342 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:53:18pm

re: #334 erik_t

Where'd you get the time machine?

It's in my basement.

343 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:53:53pm

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

It's in my basement.

So where'd you stash The Doctor?

344 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:56:12pm

re: #327 Stanghazi

A segue into the Sugar Bowl I'm psyching up for as a Gator fan. Charlie Strong the opposing Coach for Louisville was the defensive coordinator for UF winning 2 national championships. He could not get a head coaching job in the SEC it is said, because he's married to a white woman. Southern racism can even be more: important than SEC footbsll :(

Good Luck tonight!
Our game is Friday night and there is going to be a huge party with food and beer.

345 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:56:21pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Without going all wingnut I'm not totally sanguine about the Al Jazeera purchase of Current either. Don't forget that this is a news organization owned by the royal family of Qatar - it's not a private enterprise. Even putting aside the questionable programming that appears on the Arabic version, we should always be skeptical of a media network owned by an authoritarian monarchy.

That's a perfectly legitimate point, and I cannot disagree with any of what you posted.

Wasn't there a big stink about Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp back in the day, because he wasn't an American citizen at the time? I know he got citizenship, but I vaguely recall there was a bit of a fuss kicked up about that issue.

346 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:56:39pm

re: #305 FemNaziBitch

VAREK,

NOW do you know me?

I think I do....

347 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:57:09pm

re: #343 Targetpractice

So where'd you stash The Doctor?

Well, actually, he's flitting about somewhere, I'd presume.

I'm The Master.

348 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:57:19pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Without going all wingnut I'm not totally sanguine about the Al Jazeera purchase of Current either. Don't forget that this is a news organization owned by the royal family of Qatar - it's not a private enterprise. Even putting aside the questionable programming that appears on the Arabic version, we should always be skeptical of a media network owned by an authoritarian monarchy.

That's my biggest concern. I also find it ironic that a nation whose wealth is primarily from petroleum (Qatar is an OPEC nation) will purchase Current TV which is partially owned by Al Gore.

349 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:58:45pm

re: #347 Dr Lizardo

Well, actually, he's flitting about somewhere, I'd presume.

I'm The Master.

Oh...uhm...did I mention I voted Saxon? Even though I'm American?

//

350 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:58:53pm

Derp.

351 dragonath  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:58:57pm

Don't know if anyone caught this one yet:

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

He must be sweating bourbon by now.

352 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 4:59:50pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

we should always be skeptical of a media network

Without discounting the truth of your post in general, an inner message remains.

353 Targetpractice  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:00:00pm

re: #351 dragonath

Don't know if anyone caught this one yet:

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

He must be sweating bourbon by now.

"I'll demand more cuts! I'll stop negotiating! I'll spit in his general direction! Just please don't take the gavel away from me!!!"

354 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:00:04pm

Statement here:

355 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:01:38pm

To me, Current TV is just another cable channel, beside 500 others. It has limited reach, though I can see why Al Jazeera might find it worthwhile in an attempt to broaden its US market.

356 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:03:04pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Without going all wingnut I'm not totally sanguine about the Al Jazeera purchase of Current either. Don't forget that this is a news organization owned by the royal family of Qatar - it's not a private enterprise. Even putting aside the questionable programming that appears on the Arabic version, we should always be skeptical of a media network owned by an authoritarian monarchy.

I wonder how a company that maintains a branch office in Iran and has business dealings in Iran is allowed to operate in the US and not run afoul of the Treasury Department Economic Sanctions.

357 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:03:15pm

re: #351 dragonath

Don't know if anyone caught this one yet:

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

He must be sweating bourbon by now.

No big loss, because the Bronzed Bastard wasn't negotiating in good faith anyway; just ask Chris Christie.

Can't wait for the House GOP's version of the Night of the Long Knives, because Boehner's head is gonna wind up on a pike and Cantor will have put it there.

358 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:04:34pm

make me a sammich

i donwanna be a sammich make me a millionaire nstead pls

359 HappyWarrior  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:04:39pm

re: #351 dragonath

Don't know if anyone caught this one yet:

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

He must be sweating bourbon by now.

Whats the matter Boehner, tired of being outsmarted?

360 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:04:46pm

re: #352 erik_t

Without discounting the truth of your post in general, an inner message remains.

True, but an extra layer of crunchy skepticism is needed when the owner is an insanely wealthy, notoriously corrupt emir.

361 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:05:02pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

Oh...uhm...did I mention I voted Saxon? Even though I'm American?

//

Well, that's good to hear. I thank you.

Still recovering from that dust-up with President Rassilon, but I'll be feeling much better shortly.

362 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:05:21pm

re: #355 freetoken

To me, Current TV is just another cable channel, beside 500 others. It has limited reach, though I can see why Al Jazeera might find it worthwhile in an attempt to broaden its US market.

i'm sure the extra two viewers is well worth the money

363 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:06:13pm

re: #348 Gus

That's my biggest concern. I also find it ironic that a nation whose wealth is primarily from petroleum (Qatar is an OPEC nation) will purchase Current TV which is partially owned by Al Gore.

Look on the bright side: Maybe Al could use the money to buy solar panels made by slave labor in China.
/Seriously, it's probably just all about money. Murdoch, Saudi investors, Gore, Qatar's royal family are mostly concerned with making money. Sure there's some agenda but they're all mostly interested in giving people what they want and taking their money. They'll test market audiences and tell them what they want to hear.

364 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:06:18pm

re: #351 dragonath

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

Shorter Obama: "That's fine, John. I was sick of negotiating with myself anyway."

365 erik_t  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:06:26pm

re: #360 Charles Johnson

True, but an extra layer of crunchy skepticism is needed when the owner is an insanely wealthy, notoriously corrupt emir.

But enough about Rupert Murdoch!

/

366 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:07:47pm

AJ looks to expand its reach, sees low hanging fruit in Currents, and decides to buy them.

What could possibly go wrong? Plenty. AJ has a very distinct agenda, and first and foremost it's as an official mouthpiece of the Qatari regime. They're not exactly unbiased. They may be slick and outwardly professional in their English language programming, but it's still going to lean towards propaganda as long as the regime is involved. They aren't an independent media outlet. And buying into the US market gives them a chance to expand that reach.

Caveat emptor.

367 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:08:33pm

re: #364 Lidane

Obama takes another sip of his mai-tai as he watches the sunset off Lanikai while the GOP self-destructs in Washington, and says, "Please proceed, Mr. Speaker."

368 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:08:48pm

re: #362 engineer cat

I'm not sure about this, but as far as I can remember I've never watched Current TV.

In this contemporary age of overpriced information spouts, I suppose it ought not be surprising that someone paid good money for a limited information stream, yet I can't help but be skeptical that it will matter one whit.

Broadcast and cable media companies are having a hard problem in holding onto their audiences, and average viewership for most tv programs is rather small.

Someday the whole media bubble might collapse spectacularly. I'll wait.

369 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:10:11pm

re: #355 freetoken

To me, Current TV is just another cable channel, beside 500 others. It has limited reach, though I can see why Al Jazeera might find it worthwhile in an attempt to broaden its US market.

Well it is a no-brainer for Al Jazeera as their longstanding international English news channel has been picked up almost nowhere in the US. Having seen that channel while residing abroad, I am certainly convinced there is nothing at all sinister about it from a content perspective.

Having said that, I agree with Charles that allowing UNLIMITED MONEY from a foreign government into a marketplace has serious effects. The (admittedly tiny) world of soccer on US TV has already been turned upside down by the advent of AJ's "beIN Sports" channel. I cannot believe that it is a coincidence that as cable systems add beIN, they are dropping another soccer specific channel (GolTV) to make room.

370 austin_blue  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:10:19pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

"For example, even on issues like global warming, which arguably contributed to the devastation caused by Hurricane Sandy"

Ya, because no hurricane's existed before the industrial revolution.

Great first post, Noob!

371 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:10:52pm

re: #363 Killgore Trout

Look on the bright side: Maybe Al could use the money to buy solar panels made by slave labor in China.
/Seriously, it's probably just all about money. Murdoch, Saudi investors, Gore, Qatar's royal family are mostly concerned with making money. Sure there's some agenda but they're all mostly interested in giving people what they want and taking their money. They'll test market audiences and tell them what they want to hear.

372 makeitstop  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:10:52pm

re: #320 freetoken

And when I read things like this:

Republicans pledge to back Boehner, reversing earlier outrage

Then all I can conclude is that the earlier histrionics were all theater.

Maybe that 'holding Sandy Relief hostage' story was true. The man is a snake.

373 Mich-again  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:12:14pm

re: #351 dragonath

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

Update: He's not going to shoot pool with Minnesota Fats or play poker with Phil Helmuth anymore either.

374 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:15:24pm

re: #56 MyLGFname

Good point! I'll bet nobody ever considered that before.

375 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:16:08pm

re: #350 Gus

[Embedded content]

Derp.

I can't add this dweeb to the Derp list because he blocked me for calling him a dweeb.

376 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:17:26pm

re: #371 Gus

What have you all got against the "job creatorz"?

377 engineer cat  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:17:57pm

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with

Boehner Promises To Become Much Stupider, Also More Childish And Credulous

currently working on forgetting everything learned in college science and math classes

Swears He Will Stop Using Mascara And Never Never Cry Again

378 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:18:48pm

re: #375 Vicious Babushka

I can't add this dweeb to the Derp list because he blocked me for calling him a dweeb.

I forgot what he blocked me for. Didn't insult him or anything. Something he couldn't handle though.

379 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:21:48pm

re: #376 freetoken

What have you all got against the "job creatorz"?

The climate change deniers are going to have a field day with this. He's going to pocket about 100 mil. from a major oil producing nation. It's freaking hypocritical and bad for "the movement."

380 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:22:29pm

re: #379 Gus

He's a "job creator".

Let us celebrate his creations.

381 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:24:15pm

re: #379 Gus

The climate change deniers are going to have a field day with this. He's going to pocket about 100 mil. from a major oil producing nation. It's freaking hypocritical and bad for "the movement."

Nothing unusual here. The Gulf monarchies have been spending huge sums of money for many years to help their political friends in the US. The Clintons have also been big beneficiaries of money from the royal families. Not to mention the Bush family. Business as usual.

382 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:24:53pm

re: #378 Gus

I forgot what he blocked me for. Didn't insult him or anything. Something he couldn't handle though.

One of his fans (or maybe it was MJ himself) posted a comment at my blog "Judaism teaches that name calling is wrong!" I called him a dweeb, not a cocksucking donkey fucker.

Dweeb.

383 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:25:08pm

re: #368 freetoken

I'm not sure about this, but as far as I can remember I've never watched Current TV.

In this contemporary age of overpriced information spouts, I suppose it ought not be surprising that someone paid good money for a limited information stream, yet I can't help but be skeptical that it will matter one whit.

Broadcast and cable media companies are having a hard problem in holding onto their audiences, and average viewership for most tv programs is rather small.

Someday the whole media bubble might collapse spectacularly. I'll wait.

I think tv networks are soon going to follow record companies into the dustbin of history. Users can now easily pick and choose content over the web and soon people are going to learn that self publishing is easy and cheap. There's not much need for big money backing from a network to produce and distribute a show. Any show, comedy, drama or news. It's just writers, some gear for filming and editing and some actors. It's all the same.

384 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:25:54pm

re: #380 freetoken

He's a "job creator".

Let us celebrate his creations.

"Not on my watch." //

385 lostlakehiker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:26:30pm

Christie is a fair bet to be the Republican nominee at some point. The party can only take so many thrashings trying to sell the same old medicine before it will look around for an alternative. And then guys like Christie, Huntsman, and some less prominent young folk will be there.

It's not a matter of overriding importance that Christie acknowledge the reality of AGW right now. Only that he acknowledge the legitimacy of reason and fundamentals over the desire to toe the line laid out by Rove etc.

By and by, if he's committed to taking positions because there are good reasons behind them, he'll come around on AGW.

386 kirkspencer  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:27:33pm

re: #360 Charles Johnson

True, but an extra layer of crunchy skepticism is needed when the owner is an insanely wealthy, notoriously corrupt emir.

Yep, Rupert's all that, but what about the Qatar leadership?

387 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:29:22pm

re: #381 Charles Johnson

Nothing unusual here. The Gulf monarchies have been spending huge sums of money for years to help their political friends. The Clintons have also been big beneficiaries of money from the royal families. Not to mention the Bush family. Business as usual.

SNAFU

388 freetoken  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:29:24pm

re: #383 Killgore Trout

When Amazon can offer 11 hours of quality produced concert music for 99 cents, I can't see how any media conglomerate can think it has a future in trying to control media prices.

This dumping of capital into "media" companies - companies whose products have a temporal value and which can be obsoleted overnight - is, I propose, a symptom of extreme short-horizon thinking.

Rather than spending capitol on, say, building better bridges and waterways and sustainable energy production, market societies around the world are encouraging capital holders to optimize short term "growth" which is mostly just speculation.

Now, I'm sure that Qatari royal family would love to have bigger influence in US society, given ours is still the biggest economy and the heavy-weight actor in the Middle East. Yet I still think they overpaid.

389 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:31:25pm

re: #388 freetoken

When Amazon can offer 11 hours of quality produced concert music for 99 cents, I can't see how any media conglomerate can think it has a future in trying to control media prices.

This dumping of capital into "media" companies - companies whose products have a temporal value and which can be obsoleted overnight - is, I propose, a symptom of extreme short-horizon thinking.

Rather than spending capitol on, say, building better bridges and waterways and sustainable energy production, market societies around the world are encouraging capital holders to optimize short term "growth" which is mostly just speculation.

Now, I'm sure that Qatari royal family would love to have bigger influence in US society, given ours is still the biggest economy and the heavy-weight actor in the Middle East. Yet I still think they overpaid.

Zing!

390 rwdflynavy  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:31:55pm

Re: Current TV purchase. Trending on Twitter:

#CurrentAlJazeeraShowPitches

391 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:33:11pm

re: #388 freetoken

When Amazon can offer 11 hours of quality produced concert music for 99 cents, I can't see how any media conglomerate can think it has a future in trying to control media prices.

I discovered a couple of the tracks on that Beethoven box set are messed up - it sounds like it was ripped from a defective CD, because it does that skipping CD thing in a couple of spots.

The popular market for that kind of classical music is just gone - that's also a big factor in why an entire library of music can be sold for $0.99, because nobody's buying it any other way, except freaks like me.

392 rwdflynavy  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:35:16pm

re: #391 Charles Johnson

I discovered a couple of the tracks on that Beethoven box set are messed up - it sounds like it was ripped from a defective CD, because it does that skipping CD thing in a couple of spots.

The popular market for that kind of classical music is just gone - that's also a big factor in why an entire library of music can be sold for $0.99, because nobody's buying it any other way, except freaks like me.

And me

393 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:35:22pm

"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" is re-running on some cable channel right now. It's amazing to re-watch this movie as an adult, catching all the things I missed as a kid. Gene Wilder quoting Arthur O'Shaugnessy, for example...

But I find that I'm really watching it to see all the bratty kids get what's coming to them. Funny that...

394 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:36:51pm

I really feel sorry for young gifted classical musicians these days - making a decent living as an orchestra player is getting more and more difficult.

395 rwdflynavy  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:37:50pm

re: #393 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" is re-running on some cable channel right now. It's amazing to re-watch this movie as an adult, catching all the things I missed as a kid. Gene Wilder quoting Arthur O'Shaugnessy, for example...

But I find that I'm really watching it to see all the bratty kids get what's coming to them. Funny that...

That movie still creeps me out.

396 bratwurst  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:38:03pm

re: #393 Pawn of the Oppressor

"
But I find that I'm really watching it to see all the bratty kids get what's coming to them. Funny that...

D'oh! Way to spoil it for everyone! /

397 Joanne  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:41:08pm

re: #385 lostlakehiker

He'll never make it past a primary. The GOP won't change enough for 12 years. Gerrymandering gave them a lock for that long...plus a couple extra years for Trpub voters to see the insanity.

398 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:43:03pm

For Stanley:

399 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:43:12pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

I really feel sorry for young gifted classical musicians these days - making a decent living as an orchestra player is getting more and more difficult.

It's hard to find a musician that can even read music or theory unless they are classical or jazz players. It's a dying art. Like the old joke if you want to get a guitarist to turn down put sheet music in front of him.

400 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:43:17pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

I really feel sorry for young gifted classical musicians these days - making a decent living as an orchestra player is getting more and more difficult.

Been like that for a while. The latest trend seems to be the goofy "classical music babes" thing. That's happened with a lot of music too. Of course with classical you still need the virtuosity. The common requirement remains "pretty people."

401 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:44:55pm

re: #400 Gus

Been like that for a while. The latest trend seems to be the goofy "classical music babes" thing. That's happened with a lot of music too. Of course with classical you still need the virtuosity. The common requirement remains "pretty people."

Cue the Janis Ian song.....

402 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:45:34pm

re: #391 Charles Johnson

I discovered a couple of the tracks on that Beethoven box set are messed up - it sounds like it was ripped from a defective CD, because it does that skipping CD thing in a couple of spots.

The popular market for that kind of classical music is just gone - that's also a big factor in why an entire library of music can be sold for $0.99, because nobody's buying it any other way, except freaks like me.

I already have the complete Beethoven symphonies on another album, but I couldn't pass up the 99¢ deal. From what I have listened to so far, I think one of the movements from Symphony #1 was slipped in to "Creatures of Prometheus" I only noticed it because I have listened to Symphony #1 about a gazillion times.

403 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:45:46pm

re: #401 wrenchwench

Cue the Janis Ian song.....

Remind me...

404 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:46:12pm

re: #401 wrenchwench

Cue the Janis Ian song.....

At Seventeen?

405 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:47:07pm

re: #404 Gus

At Seventeen?

406 wrenchwench  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:48:15pm

Image: hE9A61079.jpg

later, lizards

407 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:49:57pm

Wingnuts are all umgebroyzelt* with the latest outrageous outrage.

*umgebroyzelt=my favorite Yiddish word. It means "seething and boiling angry"

408 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:51:55pm

re: #394 Charles Johnson

I really feel sorry for young gifted classical musicians these days - making a decent living as an orchestra player is getting more and more difficult.

Classical composers are writing movie scores, not symphonies.

409 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:52:20pm

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all umgebroyzelt* with the latest outrageous outrage.

*umgebroyzelt=my favorite Yiddish word. It means "seething and boiling angry"

Oh brother. And jail, for this? Seriously? This country just loves putting people in jail for every stupid little thing. If she was some famous actress she wouldn't even be in jail either.

410 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:53:21pm

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all umgebroyzelt* with the latest outrageous outrage.

*umgebroyzelt=my favorite Yiddish word. It means "seething and boiling angry"

Hmmm... I'll have to work that into my everyday vocabulary.

This latest kerfuffle has left the usual suspects umgebroyzelt.

411 lawhawk  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:53:48pm

re: #409 Gus

Shoplifting. That'll do it too.

412 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:54:09pm

re: #409 Gus

Oh brother. And jail, for this? Seriously? This country just loves putting people in jail for every stupid little thing. If she was some famous actress she wouldn't even be in jail either.

The wingnuts are spinning this like

Obuma is letting people buy ipads with bridge cards!

when in fact this person was running a scam.

413 Gus  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:55:51pm

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts are spinning this like

when in fact this person was running a scam.

A scam? OK. Yeah, that other stuff is crazy. People do all kinds of things with these welfare cards. Been happening for a long time now.

414 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:56:19pm

re: #410 lawhawk

Hmmm... I'll have to work that into my everyday vocabulary.

This latest kerfuffle has left the usual suspects umgebroyzelt.

umgebroyzeln zich= verb int. to get oneself worked up into a state of constant seething, boiling anger.

UMGEBAMABROYZELT=to be on a constant state of seething anger over OBAMA. (I just made this word up)

415 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:56:25pm

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

She must be getting some serious food stamp benefits because iPads start at $329 plus tax (for the minis), and she was supposedly trying to buy two.

416 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:56:58pm

re: #415 CuriousLurker

She must be getting some serious food stamp benefits because iPads start at $329 plus tax (for the minis), and she was supposedly trying to buy two.

TRYING is not the same as SUCCEEDING.

417 CuriousLurker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:57:51pm

re: #416 Vicious Babushka

True that, LOL.

418 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 5:59:59pm

Night Lizards As always, being a learning experience.

419 bubba zanetti  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:03:41pm

Classical fans:

1) Click on this video link:

linky

2) Close eyes before it loads.

3) Guess the instrument.

420 TedStriker  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:08:41pm

re: #393 Pawn of the Oppressor

"Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" is re-running on some cable channel right now. It's amazing to re-watch this movie as an adult, catching all the things I missed as a kid. Gene Wilder quoting Arthur O'Shaugnessy, for example...

But I find that I'm really watching it to see all the bratty kids get what's coming to them. Funny that...

I'm not ashamed to say that, as a soon-to-be-38-year-old man, I love Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

There's so many in-jokes for adults; it's a lot like The Simpsons in their prime.

/candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker

421 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:23:54pm

A bit of advice for the menfolk around here. NSFW obvs:

422 Lidane  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:30:46pm

re: #410 lawhawk

Hmmm... I'll have to work that into my everyday vocabulary.

This latest kerfuffle has left the usual suspects umgebroyzelt.

I'd work it into my vocabulary if I had any idea how to pronounce it. My Yiddish is pretty much nonexistent.

OTOH, the project I'm working on at the office has Hebrew as one of its languages. Neat!

423 geoduck  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:29pm

re: #420 TedStriker

I'm not ashamed to say that, as a soon-to-be-38-year-old man, I love Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

There's so many in-jokes for adults; it's a lot like The Simpsons in their prime.

"I am now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!"

424 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:07:33pm

re: #247 Joanne

PETA is a terrorist organization. They kill animals. If you have a pet and they get their mitts on him or her, they will kill them. Their rabid members let dogs out of crates only so they can get hit by cars (I used to show dogs and that happened twice). Ingrid and her rabid followers can suck my ass.

What the hell are you talking about?

425 William of Orange  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:12:05pm

Were's Christie now?

The clip of the press confrence is gone from the top of this topic.

426 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:14:33pm

re: #351 dragonath

Don't know if anyone caught this one yet:

Boehner Says He'll No Longer Negotiate with Obama

He must be sweating bourbon by now.

He sure knows how to give the tea party what it wants.

From bits of debates at PJMedia I would say that the tea party will be happy to default on the debt and destroy the US and the world economy.

Not because they're ok with that, but because they're the most ignorant people on earth, self righteous about being right when they're infinity percent wrong and no more believe how the government actually works, the law actually works, economics actually works than they believe how the climate works or that God allows legitimate rape.

We're due to have our way of life destroyed by mouth-breathing sub-morons from planet Bircher.

427 stabby  Wed, Jan 2, 2013 7:48:54pm

I'm trying to explain the truth to them. We should all take that upon ourselves to avert the ultimate disaster of default, borrowing rates going up and the US really being destroyed by interest payments.

428 Joanne  Thu, Jan 3, 2013 7:47:39am

re: #427 stabby

Stabby, last night you asked what I was talking about RE: PETA.

The Truth About PETA


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