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Full Video: Obama’s Second Inaugural Speech Draws a Line on Climate Change

“We will respond to the threat of climate change”
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Across the nation wingnut heads are a-poppin’ as President Obama’s second inauguration parade gets ready to start. The First Lady is rockin’ the bangs today, and the President gave a stirring speech, laying out a very progressive-sounding agenda for his second term: Obama’s Second Inaugural Speech.

Yep, he threw down the gauntlet, all right, but there’s a huge obstacle in the way of climate change action: a Republican Party that is utterly lost in a cloud cuckoo land of anti-science denial.

The Luddites of the right wing have totally convinced themselves that the world’s scientists are pulling an evil hoax on them; this delusion is fed and sustained by many millions of dollars worth of anti-science propaganda from a fossil fuel industry that benefits from the status quo. If President Obama is serious about taking action on this all-important issue, he’ll have to find a way to either reach these appallingly closed minds, or circumvent their efforts to sabotage him.

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1 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:06:08am
2 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:10:52am

So, how best to go about dealing with climate change?

I’m kind of all over the place on this. I have faith that the free market will eventually make green energy more cost-effective than carbon based energy, as carbon-based energy is a limited resource and solar-based energy (wind is just a derivative of solar energy anyway) is unlimited. Simple supply and demand. I also imagine that the world’s financial empires are going to try to avoid losing zillions of dollars in investments that could be wrecked due to more climate-related disasters.

But is it too late, give how much CO2 we’ve already pumped into the atmosphere, and how much will be pumped there in the foreseeable future while we wait for solar to be more cost-effective than coal? So what then? Geoengineering schemes to cool the planet? Technology to remove carbon from the atmosphere?

I’d love to hear lizards’ opinions on this.

3 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:14:43am

“Crippling drought”

I’ll say. Last week, the Cargill corporation announced they will close their meat-packing plant in Plainview, 40 miles north of Lubbock. Two thousand people will be laid off (not a typo, 2000). This is 22% of the workforce in Plainview and almost 2% of the whole area workforce. Since these were relatively good-paying jobs in a cheap labor area, the actual effect will be even worse than the numbers would indicate. The ripple effect is will be pervasive throughout the region.
The cause according to Cargill is a severe shortage of cattle in this region, the direct result of long-term drought.

Cargill Meat Solutions said declining livestock supplies at the plant because of years of drought would force it to shut down operations, putting 2,000 workers out of a job.

4 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:15:25am

re: #1 wrenchwench

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I wonder how many people attended that. lol

I also wonder where the republicans are meeting this year to plot undercuting
Obama and the American people.

5 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:17:05am

re: #4 Tigger2

I wonder how many people attended that. lol

I also wonder where the republicans are meeting this year to plot undercuting
Obama and the American people.

In the House and the Senate.

6 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:22:00am

re: #5 wrenchwench

In the House and the Senate.

Now that’s not where they plot that’s where they carry out their plot and fine tune it.

7 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:23:42am
8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:28:39am

Some more thoughts added above:

Yep, he threw down the gauntlet, all right, but there’s a huge obstacle in the way of climate change action: a Republican Party that is utterly lost in a cloud cuckoo land of anti-science denial.

The Luddites of the right wing have totally convinced themselves that the world’s scientists are pulling an evil hoax on them; this delusion is fed and sustained by many millions of dollars worth of anti-science propaganda from a fossil fuel industry that benefits from the status quo. If President Obama is serious about taking action on this all-important issue, he’ll have to find a way to either reach these appallingly closed minds, or circumvent their efforts to sabotage him.

9 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:30:08am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Some more thoughts added above:

Yep, he threw down the gauntlet, all right, but there’s a huge obstacle in the way of climate change action: a Republican Party that is utterly lost in a cloud cuckoo land of anti-science denial.

The Luddites of the right wing have totally convinced themselves that the world’s scientists are pulling an evil hoax on them; this delusion is fed and sustained by many millions of dollars worth of anti-science propaganda from a fossil fuel industry that benefits from the status quo. If President Obama is serious about taking action on this all-important issue, he’ll have to find a way to either reach these appallingly closed minds, or circumvent their efforts to sabotage him.

Along with closed minds there is also trillions of corporate dollars against him.

10 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:31:12am

re: #2 Ian G.

So, how best to go about dealing with climate change?

#TGDN has the answer. Pretend it doesn’t exist:

11 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:32:45am

The #TGDN Two-Minutes Hate against Obama has lasted 4 years now.

12 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:33:59am

BBL.

13 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:34:20am

*headdesk*

14 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:34:50am
If President Obama is serious about taking action on this all-important issue, he’ll have to find a way to either reach these appallingly closed minds, or circumvent their efforts to sabotage him.

He needs to do the same to keep medicare running, medicaid, ACA, the EPA, the department of education, pay to put up any satilites that monitor weather… ie run the country at all

Todd Akin type ignoramuses have the House and the House controls the country’s purse strings. We’re not just screwed on climate change, we’re screwed on having a modern country at all, and this is for fucking ever since they’ve gerrymandered themselves a permanent House and permanent state control.

15 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:36:39am

re: #13 Lidane

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*headdesk*

To me it sounded more like help thy neighbor kind of biblical.

16 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:36:41am

re: #13 Lidane

Obviously these freaking assholes did not pass the “works and plays well with others” part of kindergarten. Seriously, it’s now bad to love and care for the members of your community. What the hell is wrong with these fucking people?

Jesus Wept.

17 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:36:55am

Tell the #TDGN idiots that “collective” always refers to 7 of 9

18 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:37:04am

re: #10 Lidane

#TGDN has the answer. Pretend it doesn’t exist:

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It’s snowing? In January? My god, that’s obviously a sign of impending ice age doom.////

19 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:37:40am

I replaced the video above with the official White House video of the swearing-in and speech.

20 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:38:22am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

No doubt they hated other black men before him. I don’t think Obama is the first time any of these people have felt hate.

21 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:39:01am

re: #16 A Mom Anon

What the hell is wrong with these fucking people?

They’re completely sheltered behind the RWNJ noise machine. They’ve convinced themselves that they are entirely self-made people, and tht helping another human being or any sort of group or community effort automatically equals communism or socialism.

22 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:40:29am

Here’s one of the obstacles to climate change action:

He’s a tea partier who made his millions in the oil business. My congressman.

23 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:40:40am

re: #13 Lidane

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*headdesk*

We are Borg.

24 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:42:52am

re: #21 Lidane

They’re completely sheltered behind the RWNJ noise machine. They’ve convinced themselves that they are entirely self-made people, and tht helping another human being or any sort of group or community effort automatically equals communism or socialism.

I’m constantly reminded of the capitalist essay “I Pencil” when I hear the “self-made” argument. Idiots really don’t understand economics. Sad, when I can see that —me, who can’t do math.

25 Ming  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:44:40am

The “fossil fuel industry that benefits from the status quo” is playing it both ways; they’re also planning lots of oil drilling in the soon-to-be-more-liquid Arctic.

26 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:45:37am

re: #16 A Mom Anon

Obviously these freaking assholes did not pass the “works and plays well with others” part of kindergarten. Seriously, it’s now bad to love and care for the members of your community. What the hell is wrong with these fucking people?

Jesus Wept.

Remember the debates? These are the people that clapped & cheered the 200+ executions under Perry and booed him over Texas giving in-state college tuition to children of illegal immigrants. Hell, they even booed the mention of Romney’s dad being born in Mexico.

27 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:46:15am

re: #21 Lidane

While they claim to be Christian. (((sigh)))

My neighbors in “The Compound” are like this, and you simply cannot talk to them. If it’s not on FOX or conservative talk radio and internet sites then it’s wrong or biased or lies. Meanwhile, they go to church every Sunday and fervently believe they’re good and everyone else isn’t.

This is the shit I have trouble forgiving the rank and file GOP for. They had more than one chance to put a stop to this shit and they stood by and did nothing. They used it to turn neighbors and families against each other to win elections. They didn’t give a damn who they hurt or how much damage they created. I don’t know how we can clean this shit up if these folks are constantly being fed lies and bullshit on a daily basis.

28 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:47:56am

I just wish all these wannabee Galts would go away to their Gulch already.

29 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:48:07am

re: #27 A Mom Anon

While they claim to be Christian. (((sigh)))

My neighbors in “The Compound” are like this, and you simply cannot talk to them. If it’s not on FOX or conservative talk radio and internet sites then it’s wrong or biased or lies. Meanwhile, they go to church every Sunday and fervently believe they’re good and everyone else isn’t.

This is the shit I have trouble forgiving the rank and file GOP for. They had more than one chance to put a stop to this shit and they stood by and did nothing. They used it to turn neighbors and families against each other to win elections. They didn’t give a damn who they hurt or how much damage they created. I don’t know how we can clean this shit up if these folks are constantly being fed lies and bullshit on a daily basis.

Thats why I don’t go to church, I believe but I wont go to church.

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:48:33am

re: #23 Varek Raith

We are Borg.

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

- Benjamin Franklin, famed collectivist

31 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:49:19am

re: #26 CuriousLurker

I know. It just breaks my heart sometimes though. I suppose being here in the South isn’t helpful in my outlook for the future, but since 9/11 I’ve watched reasonable conservative people turn into complete raging tea party assholes and it really pisses me off.

32 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:50:15am

re: #27 A Mom Anon

I blame Rupert Murdoch. Propaganda works. And he came to our country to poison it.

The laws against foreign ownership of American media should have been stronger. They should have applied to naturalized Americans like Murdoch too.

33 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:23am

re: #29 Tigger2

Thats why I don’t go to church, I believe but I wont go to church.

There are ever more people like that.

A survey found that young people are quitting the church over the constant money-making attacks on gays, not over lack of belief.

34 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:47am

At a GOP inauguration:

- The President-elect would swear both on a Bible and on a stack of $100 bills
- He would have one hand over his heart and the other on his gun
- The Koch brothers would conduct the ceremony
- The ceremony would take place not in D.C. but the middle of Wall Street
- There would be no latinos anywhere.
- Security would be provided by Joe Arpaio and his posse, along with other volunteer minuteman groups and county sheriffs.

35 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:53:12am

re: #34 dragonfire1981

At a GOP inauguration:

- Security would be provided by Joe Arpaio and his posse, along with other volunteer minuteman groups and county sheriffs. EVERYONE ATTENDING because they would all be carrying their own personal weapons.

ftfy

36 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:53:29am

re: #33 stabby

There are ever more people like that.

A survey found that young people are quitting the church over the constant money-making attacks on gays, not over lack of belief.

Do you have a link for that?

37 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:54:11am

A couple thoughts.. Instead of beating our heads against the wall arguing with climate deniers and trying to convince them that climate change is real, why not just point out that if we work together to reduce wasted consumption of fossil fuels, then we can create a glut in the supply and that will bring the prices down, which would help create economic growth as consumers spend less on fuel.

Americans are driving less miles these days and the fleet is getting more fuel efficient every year so we are making headway, but there is a lot more we can do to keep reducing wasted consumption.

I’m not a big fan of simply cranking up fuel taxes to get people to use less because that tends to shrink economic growth and hurt the companies that need to invest in new efficient capital equipment. We need a strong economy to provide the continuing source of funds to build a modern energy efficient infrastructure. This will take decades.

I’m also not a fan of just saying drill baby drill! because you can not base economic growth on increasing the supply of limited resources. It is pure ignorance to think we can forever grow the economy by increasing the supply of fossil fuels. Drill baby drill is like pinata capitalism. Grab it fast!

The most feasible strategy for the short term is to reduce wasted consumption in a million small ways.

38 austin_blue  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:55:33am

re: #2 Ian G.

So, how best to go about dealing with climate change?

I’m kind of all over the place on this. I have faith that the free market will eventually make green energy more cost-effective than carbon based energy, as carbon-based energy is a limited resource and solar-based energy (wind is just a derivative of solar energy anyway) is unlimited. Simple supply and demand. I also imagine that the world’s financial empires are going to try to avoid losing zillions of dollars in investments that could be wrecked due to more climate-related disasters.

But is it too late, give how much CO2 we’ve already pumped into the atmosphere, and how much will be pumped there in the foreseeable future while we wait for solar to be more cost-effective than coal? So what then? Geoengineering schemes to cool the planet? Technology to remove carbon from the atmosphere?

I’d love to hear lizards’ opinions on this.

It’s never too late. If you read the post from Shiplord immediately after yours, you will notice what the greenhouse is doing to us *right now*. Those that say we can “manage the change” are talking out of their collective asses- and are often well paid to do so.

39 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:55:44am

re: #33 stabby

There are ever more people like that.

A survey found that young people are quitting the church over the constant money-making attacks on gays, not over lack of belief.

I’m 60, when I was young church was not like it is now there was more caring and acceptance.

40 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:56:09am

The implosion of the GOP is complete

41 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:56:53am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

The implosion of the GOP is complete

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By “Oldest Republican club” does that mean every member is at least 75?

42 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:56:56am

re: #36 dragonfire1981

it was in an interview by Terry Gross on Fresh Air with someone who did surveys of religious people

He also said that most American church goers no longer believe the dogma that people from other denomination will go to hell and no longer believe the dogma that gays will go to hell. This includes evangelicals who are about evenly split

He said that a group of Lutheran ministers found that news very depressing

He said that most Americans have a best friend who isn’t from their denomination. And most have a gay or lesbian relative or friend.

Familiarity ends that kind of belief.

Can we conclude that all the obama-hating wingnuts actually don’t have a black best friend? I think we can.

43 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:58:26am

re: #39 Tigger2

I’m 60, when I was young church was not like it is now.

That’s sad. I didn’t know that.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:01:29pm

re: #13 Lidane

Never thought I would see a day where President refers to communist “collective” terminology in inauguration speech! WOW SCREW THAT! #TGDN

*headdesk*

These are people who get upset at a mention of the “distributive principle” in an algebra textbook…

45 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:03:00pm

re: #38 austin_blue

It’s never too late. If you read the post from Shiplord immediately after yours, you will notice what the greenhouse is doing to us *right now*. Those that say we can “manage the change” are talking out of their collective asses- and are often well paid to do so.

But how many people in Lubbock do you think will accept that this is the reality of climate change? Not many, I’d wager.

And obviously we can’t manage the worst effects of climate change and still want to exist in the kind of moderate climate we’ve experienced since the beginning of human civilization. We need to do something about it. I just wonder what will be effective in dealing with it. Even if James Inhofe decided tomorrow to introduce a bill banning any carbon-based forms of energy, we’d still be dealing with the massive increase in carbon use in the developing world.

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:03:56pm

re: #32 stabby

I blame Rupert Murdoch. Propaganda works. And he came to our country to poison it.

The laws against foreign ownership of American media should have been stronger. They should have applied to naturalized Americans like Murdoch too.

Partisan propaganda cable networks are only a symptom of the larger problem. They serve a need for emotional gratification. If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:05:02pm

re: #44 Sol Berdinowitz

These are people who get upset at a mention of the “distributive principle” in an algebra textbook…

They probably recoil in horror when the collection plate goes around in church.
:p

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:05:44pm

Not a surprising position from Morsi
Egypt’s Morsi Opposes French Intervention in Mali

49 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:06:14pm
50 gwangung  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:07:59pm

re: #44 Sol Berdinowitz

These are people who get upset at a mention of the “distributive principle” in an algebra textbook…

Isn’t “We the people” and “in order form a more perfect union” and “general welfare” kinda collectivist in nature?

51 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:09:36pm

re: #50 gwangung

Isn’t “We the people” and “in order form a more perfect union” and “general welfare” kinda collectivist in nature?

LIES! We know the Founders were all about the self-made man and about equal opportunity. Not like that Kenyan Nazi Commie Moozlim Usurper King in the White House!

///

52 Stanghazi  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:10:24pm

I can’t wait to see the Mars Rover replica in the parade!!!

53 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:10:40pm
54 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:10:54pm

Oh Hell.

One of my neighbors just posted a pic of an AK and Rosa Parks on his facebook page. It says:

Ask me why I “need” an AK-47 and I will ask you why Rosa Parks had a “need” to sit at the front of the bus.

Just kill me now. Seriously. And seriously, does this mean this redneck idiot has an AK or 5 in addition to the fucking pistols and hunting rifles they’ve got over there? Shit. I somehow do not feel safe knowing this.

55 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:11:06pm

Trends in Tax Expenditures, 1985-2016

Conclusions
Tax expenditures have composed a significant component of the cost of government for decades. The 1986 Tax Reform Act cut them substantially but they subsequently rebounded, recovering more than half their decline from tax reform, measured as a share of GDP.

The composition of tax expenditures has changed over the years. Individual tax expenditures have increased relative to corporate tax expenditures and personal tax expenditures have grown relative to business tax expenditures. Credits and exclusions have increased relative to deductions and deferrals. Outlays from refundable credits remain a small share of the total cost of tax expenditures, but have experienced a huge growth over the past 25 years.

From the Brookings Institute. Some interesting graphs at the link.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:11:22pm

re: #37 Mich-again

A couple thoughts.. we can create a glut in the supply and that will bring the prices down, which would help create economic growth as consumers spend less on fuel.

Good for consumers, bad for producers. And who has the more powerful lobby?

57 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:11:53pm
58 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:13:04pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

One of my neighbors just posted a pic of an AK and Rosa Parks on his facebook page. It says:

Ask me why I “need” an AK-47 and I will ask you why Rosa Parks had a “need” to sit at the front of the bus.

Yeah, that’s the newest bit of douchebaggery from the gun nuts. They’re trying to pretend that they’re civil rights crusaders.

You know, because if only those black people in Selma had had guns, they wouldn’t have had to fight for their rights. Or something.

59 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:13:06pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Partisan propaganda cable networks FoxNews is only a symptom of the larger problem. They serve a need for emotional gratification. If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

Tweaked for truth.
;)

60 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:13:42pm

re: #56 Sol Berdinowitz

Good for consumers, bad for producers. And who has the more powerful lobby?

And if the gas pricing pressures ease you’ll see a comeback of the gas guzzling SUV. Unless the path is simply to pass the regulations pressuring less use of gasoline from the pump to the car lot.

And that is also ignoring where the gas taxes are going. Are they simply a revenue stream for the state, or do they actually go towards necessary maintenance and improvement of infrastructure?

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:15:00pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

Tweaked for truth.
;)

Hey you can’t do that - you took away his precious MBF!!

62 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:16:03pm

re: #56 Sol Berdinowitz

Good for consumers, bad for producers. And who has the more powerful lobby?

True, but individuals are the consumers. Already there are signs of a glut in North America. They will soon be reversing the direction of a major pipeline between Houston and Cushing Oklahoma in order to get North American oil to the Gulf to export to take advantage of the $15-20 per bbl price tag that Brent Crude fetches over West Texas Intermediate. The tanks in Cushing are near full even with millions of additional bbl capacity added the last couple years.

The housing market crash showed how a glut in supply will not just lower prices but it can make them fall off the table.

63 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:16:08pm

re: #58 Lidane

Yeah, that’s the newest bit of douchebaggery from the gun nuts. They’re trying to pretend that they’re civil rights crusaders.

You know, because if only those black people in Selma had had guns, they wouldn’t have had to fight for their rights. Or something.

If all those people would have had guns there would have been permanent gun banning laws passed.

64 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:17:35pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

De-friend. Seriously. I generally run in more liberal circles, and I don’t like the idea of de-friending people on Facebook for obnoxious political views (and I do get some from a few wingers in my feed), but crossing the line into racism about the civil rights movement would do it for me.

65 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:17:36pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

I always wondered why the took My Mother The Car off TV!!
[Link: www.imdb.com…]

66 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:17:51pm

A great shot from CNN:

Image: ZZ10FFB59E.jpg

67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:17:56pm
68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:18:31pm

Oh noes! Redcoats and men in tricorne hats with bayonets marching in Washington! The revolution is on!
/// ;)

69 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:18:57pm

re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader

And if the gas pricing pressures ease you’ll see a comeback of the gas guzzling SUV. Unless the path is simply to pass the regulations pressuring less use of gasoline from the pump to the car lot.

And that is also ignoring where the gas taxes are going. Are they simply a revenue stream for the state, or do they actually go towards necessary maintenance and improvement of infrastructure?

I disagree that if gas prices lower than people will just run out and buy Giant SUV’s. One thing is that CAFE standards are getting higher and gas guzzler taxes will soon be causing those vehicles to get a lot more expensive. And the companies have lowered capacity for building those giant SUV’s. Families are getting smaller, people are driving less, and the small cars and SUV’s have become much nicer in recent years.

70 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:20:58pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

Oh Hell.

One of my neighbors just posted a pic of an AK and Rosa Parks on his facebook page. It says:

Ask me why I “need” an AK-47 and I will ask you why Rosa Parks had a “need” to sit at the front of the bus.

Just kill me now. Seriously. And seriously, does this mean this redneck idiot has an AK or 5 in addition to the fucking pistols and hunting rifles they’ve got over there. Shit. I somehow do not feel safe knowing this.

I would unfriend that jackass neighbor.

71 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:21:33pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Erick son of Erick tries to tone down the crazy and is eaten alive

Good luck with that Eric, I think to many years of spreading hate and fear by you will not let that happen.

72 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:22:54pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Erick son of Erick tries to tone down the crazy and is eaten alive

I would say I feel sorry for him, but nah, he can go fuck himself.

Some choice comments:

“do you know how many similarities BHO and Adoph [sic] Hitler have?”

Um, they’re both members of the species Homo Sapiens? They both have hair? They’re both men?

73 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:23:46pm

re: #65 sattv4u2


If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

I always wondered why the took My Mother The Car off TV!!
[Link: www.imdb.com…]

Dobbie Gillis!

74 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:23:47pm

re: #58 Lidane

You know, because if only those black people in Selma had had guns, they wouldn’t have had to fight for their rights. Or something.

IF ONLY THOSE BLACK PEOPLE IN SELMA HAD HAD GUNS, THEY COULD’VE KILLED ALL THOSE DAMNED HONKIES! Hey, wait a minute….

75 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:23:57pm
“do you know how many similarities BHO and Adoph [sic] Hitler have?”

Do you know how many similarities you and a pile of shit have?

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:24:02pm

re: #36 dragonfire1981

Do you have a link for that?

I saw that article too, can’t remember where NPR or BBC probably.

77 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:24:26pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Erick son of Erick tries to tone down the crazy and is eaten alive

Heh, I was going to leave a comment reminding Eric that he’s responsible for much of the hatred he suddenly has the vapors about.

I signed up over at Red State, but according to their policies:

There is a 24 waiting period required for new users before commenting is enabled.

Verbatim copy-n-paste. 24 what? Hours? Minutes? Millennia? Epochs?

78 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:24:39pm

re: #70 Mich-again

Yeah, he’s gone. I’m still friends with his wife though, she’s at least partly reasonable. I think his problem is that he’s a dry drunk and a born again Catholic who feels so much guilt about being a punk when his kids were little that he’s gone to the other extreme. They have two of the sweetest daughters, and honestly are not awful people but this political slide of his has been really sad to watch.

79 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:25:21pm
80 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:25:32pm

re: #77 Mattand

Heh, I was going to leave a comment reminding Eric that he’s responsible for much of the hatred he suddenly has the vapors about.

I signed up over at Red State, but according to their policies:

Verbatim copy-n-paste. 24 what? Hours? Minutes? Millennia? Epochs?

No, see, you have to watch the tv series 24.
There will be a quiz on how it lead to the killing of OBL afterward.

81 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:25:57pm

re: #78 A Mom Anon

Yeah, he’s gone. I’m still friends with his wife though, she’s at least partly reasonable. I think his problem is that he’s a dry drunk and a born again Catholic who feels so much guilt about being a punk when his kids were little that he’s gone to the other extreme. They have two of the sweetest daughters, and honestly are not awful people but this political slide of his has been really sad to watch.

Dry Drunks are miserable people. Very difficult to reach.

82 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:26:32pm

re: #63 Tigger2

If all those people would have had guns there would have been permanent gun banning laws passed.

And if they’d had guns during the Selma marches, they would’ve all been shot and/or lynched. These nutjobs are delusional if they think the white Jim Crow South would have been understanding if a bunch of armed African-Americans demanded their rights.

83 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:26:49pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Partisan propaganda cable networks are only a symptom of the larger problem. They serve a need for emotional gratification. If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

Yes, DAMN YOU, MSNBC, AND YOUR UNRELENTING, JUGGERNAUT-LIKE GRIP ON THE MODERN MEDIA LANDSCAPE!

Apparently Magical Balance Fairies don’t get MLK Day off. But then again, MLK was no different than George Wallace.

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:26:57pm

re: #77 Mattand

Heh, I was going to leave a comment reminding Eric that he’s responsible for much of the hatred he suddenly has the vapors about.

I signed up over at Red State, but according to their policies:

Verbatim copy-n-paste. 24 what? Hours? Minutes? Millennia? Epochs?

Jack Bauer coming and torturing you for being a liberal commie terrorist. Of course.
///

85 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:27:03pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I’m having a really hard time working up any sympathy for that ass beret. You reap what you sow there Erick. I’ll break out my tiny violins someday,honest I will.

86 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:27:43pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Dobbie Gillis!

Yeah, but that show lasted

My Mother The Car, not so much

87 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:27:56pm

re: #63 Tigger2

If all those people would have had guns there would have been permanent gun banning laws passed.

In both the Raj and the South, the primary myth was of benevolent stewardship of a lesser people, belying a reality of calculatedly disproportionate retaliation for any form of violent resistance…and in the South an ongoing terror campaign that was not part of the state, but served the ends of the state. Passive resistance was a tactical as well as a conscientious choice.

These big talking types fail at both history and strategy. They really seem to be stuck in an action movie mindset.

88 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:29:10pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Partisan propaganda cable networks are only a symptom of the larger problem. They serve a need for emotional gratification. If viewers didn’t watch the programing would change pretty quickly.

Hatred is self sustaining.

If propaganda succeeds in creating hatred, then it creates a permanent market and a permanent problem. It creates permanent madness.

Fox succeeds in creating hatred and madness in the way that antisemites succeed.

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:29:15pm

For the numbers people out there. Does any of this add-up?

90 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:31:30pm

Fear has a similar, but easier to fix effect.

Fear rivets people’s attention and drives out all other thought.

A station that succeeds in creating fear also has a permanent market

That isn’t proof that people have a problem it’s just a fact of animal psychology.

91 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:32:09pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

Oh Hell.

One of my neighbors just posted a pic of an AK and Rosa Parks on his facebook page. It says:

Ask me why I “need” an AK-47 and I will ask you why Rosa Parks had a “need” to sit at the front of the bus.

Just kill me now. Seriously. And seriously, does this mean this redneck idiot has an AK or 5 in addition to the fucking pistols and hunting rifles they’ve got over there? Shit. I somehow do not feel safe knowing this.

You need to move. Your neighbors won’t be happy until they’re recreated Ruby Ridge.

92 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:32:39pm

re: #87 The Ghost of a Flea

In both the Raj and the South, the primary myth was of benevolent stewardship of a lesser people, belying a reality of calculatedly disproportionate retaliation for any form of violent resistance…and in the South an ongoing terror campaign that was not part of the state, but served the ends of the state. Passive resistance was tactical as well as a conscientious choice.

These big talking types fail at both history and strategy. They really seem to be stuck in an action movie mindset.

In the British Raj, there were some fig leaves to support the fable of benevolent stewardship (e.g., suppressing suttee), but let’s be real here. No colonial power ever got into the game for any reasons other than its own self interest, usually based on serious exploitation of the colonies.

That is why “anti-colonial” as somehow being a bad thing in RW mythology is ludicrous.

93 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:34:11pm

Oh, goody!
Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi announced that his ministry would display several defense achievements in the next few days

[Link: english.farsnews.com…]

94 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:34:25pm

Put concisely, my fear is that the Administration’s discussion of climate change has a “shiny bobble” quality to it, and that once the (renewed) novelty wears off the political machinery in DC will just grind on with the usual topics of pork and then more pork, intermingled with gamesmanship on debt ceiling rises.

And, no doubt, the GOP will point out that the “solutions” all cost money and that whatever the President proposes will simply be to funnel money to his key constituencies/donors.

Climate change is an issue around which the progressive caucus in American politics will rally, but it then gets transformed into “social justice” and other more nebulous causes.

The more nebulous the cause the more ethereal the solutions seem to become.

US emissions of greenhouse gases did go down - due to the deep recession. As the US economy grows (even if slowly) emissions will tend upwards, though the improved CAFE standards do help.

The President knows the US power generation is turning from coal to natural gas because the latter is so incredibly cheap these days, thanks in part to fracking. Thus there is an on-paper decrease in emissions do to electricity generation.

What happens when (eventually, even if it takes 10 years) natural gas prices go up? Will coal return?

It may seem strange coming from me, since I’ve been writing about climate change here at LGF for quite some time (and in the beginning took quite a beating for it), but I am still skeptical that all this talk about climate change will actually produce meaningful mitigation measures. It might lead to better adaptation planning.

95 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:35:07pm

re: #72 Ian G.

I love this comment over there:

we don’t need background checks on person to person sales or at gun shows. we don’t need any part of gun ownership regulated or infringed (see the Constitution for that word). it is illegal regardless what any justice has said for government to regulate guns.

O RLY? Good luck with that.

96 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:35:26pm

re: #91 Mattand

I wish I could move. I’ve wanted to for a long time now. Economics won’t allow it though. Our house is over 30 yrs old(fully remodeled by us, but not new)and we’re surrounded by new houses, we’d have to take a substantial loss. I thought about actually approaching this whole extended family to see if they want it for their idiotic Compound. (seriously, who the fuck is proud of that sort of terminology?)

97 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:36:40pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

That is why “anti-colonial” as somehow being a bad thing in RW mythology is ludicrous.

LOL, I remember hearing that for the first time from Newt Gingrich. He kept saying Obama inherited an anti-colonial mindset from his father.

My reaction was, “WTF? America was a group of colonies that broke away from England. I thought you guys would be proud to be anti-colonial.”

Someone here explained it to me later. Still doesn’t make any sense as an insult, though.

98 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:36:48pm

So, on a day when GOPers are saying that no other president had as low a rating as President Obama in his first term (and FWIW, he was reelected by a landslide in the Electoral College and quite comfortably in popular vote against a GOP that simply couldn’t get its act together and engaged in collective wishful thinking that the polls were skewed in favor of the Democrats), here comes Scott Rasmussen to remind us that even now the Democrats would win a generic Congress race compared to the GOP.

5 point advantage, which when factoring in the Rasmussen effect, is probably a few points more than that.

99 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:36:54pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

Oh, goody!
Iranian Defense Minister Brigadier General Ahmad Vahidi announced that his ministry would display several defense achievements in the next few days

[Link: english.farsnews.com…]

Photoshoppers are working overtime.

100 Varek Raith  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:37:37pm

re: #95 Lidane

I love this comment over there:

O RLY? Good luck with that.

I can haz constantion write to nukular weapons????
/

101 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:38:27pm

re: #94 freetoken

but I am still skeptical that all this talk about climate change will actually produce meaningful mitigation measures.

It won’t until there is an end in sight (say a 25 year window) of the world running out of fossil fuels

102 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:39:09pm

re: #97 Mattand

LOL, I remember hearing that for the first time from Newt Gingrich. He kept saying Obama inherited an anti-colonial mindset from his father.

My reaction was, “WTF? America was a group of colonies that broke away from England. I thought you guys would be proud to be anti-colonial.”

Someone here explained it to me later. Still doesn’t make any sense as an insult, though.

There’s an imaginary line somewhere in the 1800s or early 1900s. Before it things were good and after it things were bad. Or vice-versa. And that seems to switch from case to case as well…
;)

103 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:39:34pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

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I just watched the whole thing. I highly recommend it, even if you saw the original airing in 1965. What a history lesson. (If you stay ‘til the very end, you even see some of the panelists lighting up cigarettes on TV!)

104 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:39:45pm
105 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:40:14pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Photoshoppers are working overtime.

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Photoshoppers are working overtime.

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106 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:40:38pm

re: #96 A Mom Anon

I wish I could move. I’ve wanted to for a long time now. Economics won’t allow it though. My house is over 30 yrs old(fully remodeled by us, but not new)and we’re surrounded by new houses, I’d have to take a substantial loss. I thought about actually approaching this whole extended family to see if they want it for their idiotic Compound. (seriously, who the fuck is proud of that sort of terminology?)

I hope wasn’t coming off as being flippant. I know it’s not a good answer, but from the way you describe these people, there’s nothing more they’d enjoy than murdering a few police officers and government agents.

Just be careful if you decide to approach them. They may decide than can get a lower price by ratcheting up their crazy.

107 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:40:40pm

re: #92 EPR-radar

That is why “anti-colonial” as somehow being a bad thing in RW mythology is ludicrous.

Well, it’s ludicrous but I think it’s unintentionally honest. These are people that like the colonial model…the resource stripping and the ideological bludgeon role.

108 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:40:53pm

re: #102 Feline Fearless Leader

There’s an imaginary line somewhere in the 1800s or early 1900s. Before it things were good and after it things were bad. Or vice-versa. And that seems to switch from case to case as well…
;)

I think color coding explains all here —- if the colonial power is white, and the colonists are black/brown, then anti-colonialism is clearly unacceptable.

109 Tumulus11  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:41:37pm

O/T

. The President’s motorcade is rolling slowly down Pennsylvania Ave. Security is several notches beyond tight. Skies in Washington are sunny and it’s a great day.

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:42:20pm

re: #108 EPR-radar

I think color coding explains all here —- if the colonial power is white, and the colonists are black/brown, then anti-colonialism is clearly unacceptable.

Can toss in yellow if you want to toss China and Southeast Asia into the mix.

111 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:43:10pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, it’s ludicrous but I think it’s ultimately honest. These are people that like the colonial model…the resource stripping and the ideological bludgeon role.

Precisely. In fact, that world view covers much more than just issues relating to colonial models —- it is their model for everything. The aristocracy (which can be defined in various ways) is entitled to exploit the hell out of everyone else.

112 iossarian  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:43:43pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

I can haz constantion write to nukular weapons????
/

Death ray or GTFO

113 erik_t  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:44:16pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

the aristocracy (which can be defined in various ways)

No it can’t — the aristocrats are, curiously, always them.

114 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:44:44pm

re: #109 Tumulus11

O/T

. The President’s motorcade is rolling slowly down Pennsylvania Ave. Security is several notches beyond tight. Skies in Washington are sunny and it’s a great day.

And I’m thankful for that. My happy thought for today is they we did not have shots fired at POTUS during the Inauguration.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:45:09pm

re: #113 erik_t

No it can’t — the aristocrats are, curiously, always them.

Would oligarchy be a better term than aristocracy?

116 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:45:55pm

re: #113 erik_t

No it can’t — the aristocrats are, curiously, always them.

Yes, but the variety I had in mind was more along the lines of aristocracy by inheritance, by wealth, by race, etc.

117 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:46:29pm

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

Would oligarchy be a better term than aristocracy?

Only if it’s spelled OLIGARHY. ;)

118 erik_t  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:46:42pm

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

Would oligarchy be a better term than aristocracy?

I tend to prefer plutocracy. Or assholecracy. That last one might be best.

119 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:47:31pm

And he’s out. POTUS and FLOTUS have begun their walk.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:48:03pm

re: #118 erik_t

I tend to prefer plutocracy. Or assholecracy. That last one might be best.

exploitocracy?

121 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:48:13pm
122 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:48:28pm

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

Would oligarchy be a better term than aristocracy?

Interesting question. My gut reaction is that aristocracy better captures the entitlement that these masters of the universe feel so strongly.

It is not enough that they rule (i.e., oligarchy). Their rule must be blessed as “the ways things ought to be”.

123 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:48:47pm

re: #121 Lidane

Silly things Senators say.

124 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:48:47pm

re: #121 Lidane

Do what now? LOL.

125 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:49:28pm

They’re out of the limo now, walking down Pennsylvania.

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126 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:49:48pm

re: #121 Lidane

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At one time didn’t he also say he didn’t think healthcare reform had a chance of passing.

127 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:50:22pm

re: #121 Lidane

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I’ll bite your legs off!

128 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:50:26pm

re: #121 Lidane

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I could have sworn that was a tweet from the campaign until I checked the date. WTF, Chuck?

129 erik_t  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:50:53pm

re: #121 Lidane

Checkmates. How do they work?

130 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:52:08pm

re: #128 Interesting Times

I could have sworn that was a tweet from the campaign until I checked the date. WTF, Chuck?

Seriously. He’s tweeting that garbage on the day that POTUS starts his second term?

El Oh El.

131 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:52:50pm

Took a spin over to Fox Nation. Lead story is from someone named Mark Levin, interviewed by Ben “Women who like sex makes me and Jesus cry” Shapiro.

The comments, as always, are Freeper level foaming at the keyboard. One interesting thing is the amount of “comment has been deleted” notices all over the forum. Looks like their mods are actually doing their job, although their fingers are probably sprained at this point.

132 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:53:00pm

This is scary.

133 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:53:17pm

re: #129 erik_t

Checkmates. How do they work?

I still like that comment from the other day (I forget who to credit) that went something like Obama is playing Chess, while the GOP is eating the checkers pieces.

134 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:53:41pm

“For our journey is not complete until our wives, our mothers, and daughters can earn a living equal to their efforts. Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law – for if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.”

Equality for women and homosexuals? Well, that’s sure to piss off Conservatives.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:53:56pm

re: #122 EPR-radar

Interesting question. My gut reaction is that aristocracy better captures the entitlement that these masters of the universe feel so strongly.

It is not enough that they rule (i.e., oligarchy). Their rule must be blessed as “the ways things ought to be”.

I’ll grant aristocracy given the latter definitions, especially #5:

ar·is·toc·ra·cy/ˌær əˈstɒk rə si/ Show Spelled [ar-uh-stok-ruh-see] Show IPA
noun, plural ar·is·toc·ra·cies.
1. a class of persons holding exceptional rank and privileges, especially the hereditary nobility.
2. a government or state ruled by an aristocracy, elite, or privileged upper class.
3. government by those considered to be the best or most able people in the state.
4. a governing body composed of those considered to be the best or most able people in the state.
5. any class or group considered to be superior, as through education, ability, wealth, or social prestige.

Self-selected group for the most part as well. But not a hereditary nobility.

136 bws58  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:54:03pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

This is scary.

Glad I’m not the only one

137 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:54:07pm

And that’s it.

138 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:55:02pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

This is scary.

What is?

139 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:56:45pm

I have to admit I don’t like this “get out of the limo and walk” tradition. Makes me nervous. I’m glad it’s over.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:58:25pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I don’t like this “get out of the limo and walk” tradition. Makes me nervous. I’m glad it’s over.

I imagine the Secret Service guys are saying much the same thing…

141 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:58:33pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I have to admit I don’t like this “get out of the limo and walk” tradition. Makes me nervous. I’m glad it’s over.

Sad, we know white people so well, we are truly afraid for the POTUS.

142 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 12:58:52pm

re: #121 Lidane

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I think it was deleted. Anybody got a screenshot?

143 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:00:08pm

so, the next time a Whacko™ says that a citizen has the right to be as armed as the government., ask him how many nuclear bombs he think he wants to buy. When he tells you it is obviously a ridiculous thing to ask, tell him “oh, so you DO believe regulation is Constitutional?”

144 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:01:04pm

And lets go to the Derp…

145 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:01:08pm

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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146 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:03:16pm

re: #145 jaunte

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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It’s not often that I’d like Krauthammer to be correct in his analysis. If Obama’s second term means Reaganite thinking becomes dead and buried, I’ll do the happy dance.

147 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:03:29pm

“A government big enough to subsidize oil companies is a government big enough to switch that subsidy to solar energy research.”

148 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:04:05pm
149 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:04:07pm

re: #145 jaunte

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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I expect “Good, its about time” is not the response he was hoping for.

150 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:04:10pm

re: #145 jaunte

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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Gee, that makes it sound like Krauthammer does not see civil rights as a good thing.

151 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:04:40pm

re: #145 jaunte

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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I hope it is an end of Reaganism and the end of hate for the unions comes next.

152 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:05:26pm

re: #144 Kragar

Matthew 5:34: “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth for it is his footstool.”

Fischer is aware that there’s more to the Bible than all that crap about who should be stoned to death in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, right?

153 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:06:57pm

re: #152 Ian G.

Matthew 5:34: “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth for it is his footstool.”

Fischer is aware that there’s more to the Bible than all that crap about who should be stoned to death in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, right?

But the only thing Fischer cares about is who to hate. Therefore, the only relevant parts of the Bible are those that can be most easily twisted toward this end.

154 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:07:06pm

re: #147 jaunte

“A government big enough to subsidize oil companies is a government big enough to switch that subsidy to solar energy research.”

So on my fb

155 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:09:35pm

re: #145 jaunte

Krauthammer with the Fox Insta-Reponse:
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The End of Reaganism —does anyone really believe Reagan wanted a tyranny of the elite?

The pendulum swings back and forth. I think we are at the back end now and are ready to go forward.

156 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:10:07pm

re: #151 Tigger2

I hope it is an end of Reaganism and the end of hate for the unions come next.

I agree with the first half of a lot of Reaganisms: Government is not the solution, it is a means of helping find and develop solutions to problems that arise. Problems like global warming, dependence on foreign resources and the threat of terrorism.

And I agree that best social program you can offer someone is a job, but not one without benefits at minimum wage that still leaves the person working eligible for food stamps. Modern jobs require training and skills, and those do not come for free.

157 Mattand  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:11:37pm

re: #152 Ian G.

Matthew 5:34: “But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth for it is his footstool.”

Fischer is aware that there’s more to the Bible than all that crap about who should be stoned to death in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, right?

Mattand 8:10: “And ye shall look upon the wingnuts, and their tiny brains and their delicious tears, and ye shall proclaim, “Dudes. Seriously, WTF?”

158 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:11:51pm

re: #151 Tigger2

I hope it is an end of Reaganism and the end of hate for the unions comes next.

I noticed that when a company goes under (or whatever) the Top Management always get their pay and bonuses because they have contracts that have to be honored. The Lowest Level workers get their pay and benefits packages because they belong to Unions and those contracts have to be honored.

It’s the non-union hourly workers and middle management that get screwed.

Get rid of unions and then there will be more for the shareholders.

159 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:12:23pm

re: #157 Mattand

Good one.

160 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:13:19pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Society is bifurcating between right wing nuts and the rest of us. The nuts have the House for the forseeable future.

Country is screwed. Things aren’t about to get better. The nuts will get ever more angry because they think they’ve been cheated out of ruling.

161 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:14:55pm

re: #160 stabby

Society is bifurcating between right wing nuts and the rest of us. The nuts have the House for the forseeable future.

Country is screwed. Things aren’t about to get better. The nuts will get ever more angry because they think they’ve been cheated out of ruling.

I tell all the young people I know that are in school (who aren’t) to learn a second language and be prepared to work anywhere on the planet because they can’t depend on jobs or stability in this country as previous generations have.

162 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:15:08pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

The End of Reaganism —does anyone really believe Reagan wanted a tyranny of the elite?

The pendulum swings back and forth. I think we are at the back end now and are ready to go forward.

Few people are openly for a tyranny, and Reagan was not among them. However, much of what he did tended to go significantly in the direction of more concentrated wealth/power for elites.

163 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:15:34pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

I noticed that when a company goes under (or whatever) the Top Management always get their pay and bonuses because they have contracts that have to be honored. The Lowest Level workers get their pay and benefits packages because they belong to Unions and those contracts have to be honored.

It’s the non-union hourly workers and middle management that get screwed.

Get rid of unions and then there will be more for the shareholders.

I hope there is a resurgence of unions the country needs it.
To me one of the worst things that happened to working Americans was the birth of the temporary agencies.

164 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:16:48pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

;_;

:(

:

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:17:22pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

I noticed that when a company goes under (or whatever) the Top Management always get their pay and bonuses because they have contracts that have to be honored. The Lowest Level workers get their pay and benefits packages because they belong to Unions and those contracts have to be honored.

It’s the non-union hourly workers and middle management that get screwed.

Get rid of unions and then there will be more for the shareholders.

But if you make everyone a shareholder then it’s communism!
/

166 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:17:32pm

re: #162 EPR-radar

Few people are openly for a tyranny, and Reagan was not among them. However, much of what he did tended to go significantly in the direction of more concentrated wealth/power for elites.

I agree, yet I don’t think that was his intention. I have no doubt that there were those in the wings waiting for the opportunity to screw people. Reagan seemed to be naive about human flaws. At least about non-Communist humans.

167 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:18:36pm

re: #163 Tigger2

I hope there is a resurgence of unions the country needs it.

Agreed. I’d like to see unionization for pretty much everyone who is not a corporate executive or self employed. Addressing the power imbalance between labor and capital is a really basic issue, and the only ways I can think of to deal with it are full unionization, or truly massive (and most likely unworkable) government intervention.

168 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:20:59pm

Reagan campaigned heavily on the support of the Christian fundamentalists, but pretty much abandoned them as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told her the stars were propitious to do so.

They learned their lesson and started insinuating their people into the highest levels of business, government, administration and education. (For some reason they do not do as well at making inroads into science and in the arts… )

The current Conservative movement is very much a product of this approach, we are already into the second generation of such conservatives: they are fully entrenched at state and local levels, but cannot seem to grasp the Ring of national power.

169 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:21:20pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

I agree, yet I don’t think that was his intention. I have no doubt that there were those in the wings waiting for the opportunity to screw people. Reagan seemed to be naive about human flaws. At least about non-Communist humans.

Certainly, in the time of Reagan, one could claim that supply side economics was good for all with more credibility than can be done today.

However, his breaking of the air traffic controllers strike showed a hard edge.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:22:12pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

I agree, yet I don’t think that was his intention. I have no doubt that there were those in the wings waiting for the opportunity to screw people. Reagan seemed to be naive about human flaws. At least about non-Communist humans.

I suspect that the ideal seems to veer towards a desire for some sort of benevolent dictatorship. The orderliness and clear decision making of the dictator that avoids the ugly give-and-take of the democratic process. Combined with a benevolence that is aimed towards the greater good of the society and nation as a whole - presumably long-term as well.

And since such a set-up with the *right* people in charge would obviously be of the greatest good for all the nay-sayers and detractors have to be hell-bent on the destruction of the country.

171 iossarian  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:22:42pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

I agree, yet I don’t think that was his intention. I have no doubt that there were those in the wings waiting for the opportunity to screw people. Reagan seemed to be naive about human flaws. At least about non-Communist humans.

Thing is, though, if you’re a functioning adult human, you have to be essentially willfully ignorant if you think that right-wing economic and social policies don’t lead to a concentration of wealth and power. I mean the evidence is pretty stark, both across different time periods (observe wealth concentration in Europe between 1900 and 2000, for example) and geographies (US vs. other industrialized nations, etc.).

In other words, right-wing politicians are either very gullible and naive, or calculating pro-oligarchy stooges.

172 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:23:03pm

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

173 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:23:15pm

SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT

Pamela is linking to my site as a source for the bogus MLK “Letter to an Anti-Zionist” WHERE I TOTALLY SAY THIS LETTER IS A HOAX.

Pam is so PWN3D now.

174 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:23:37pm
175 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:23:40pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

Certainly, in the time of Reagan, one could claim that supply side economics was good for all with more credibility than can be done today.

However, his breaking of the air traffic controllers strike showed a hard edge.

To me that was the beginning of union hate adopted by the right that is still going on.

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:24:00pm

re: #172 freetoken

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

Didn’t truth in advertising demand that they change the name to “Ignorance by Design”?
/

177 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:24:33pm

re: #172 freetoken

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

When folks like the National Center for Science Education tell you there’s “no controversy,” “no debate” about Darwinian evolution, that’s true only insofar as the controversy and the debate are deliberately suppressed through intimidation.

Oh, whah.

178 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:24:56pm

re: #172 freetoken

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

Math is not a civil rights issue.

179 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:25:09pm

I should check my referer logs more often.

180 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:25:24pm

re: #178 Gus

Math is not a civil rights issue.

Neither is science, but these morons keep trying.

181 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:26:35pm

re: #180 Lidane

Neither is science, but these morons keep trying.

Astronomy is a civil rights issue! Derp.

182 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:28:04pm

re: #181 Gus

Stop intimidating Astrologers!!!!

183 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:28:09pm
184 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:28:23pm

re: #172 freetoken

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

Just like Galileo?

185 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:30:04pm

re: #177 jaunte

the controversy and the debate are deliberately suppressed through intimidation.

Oh, whah.

Saying “You are incorrect” is considered suppression through intimidation. So is “You are a fucking idiot.”

186 erik_t  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:30:40pm

re: #183 Lidane

@pourmecoffee Good luck to anyone still trying to sell America on the idea that this man hates America.

I thought Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods already covered this. He only hates real America.

187 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:33:21pm

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

188 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:33:31pm

re: #172 freetoken

Have you had your RDA (Recommended Derp Allowance) yet today?

On MLK Day, Remember that Intelligent Design Is a Civil Rights Issue

It’s a case of derp within derp. First, there is the idiocy of ID as a civil rights issue. Second, there is the idiocy of any internal message control at Americans United (AU) for Separation of Church and State (a private organization) possibly violating anyone’s civil rights.

Apparently these knuckle draggers think they have a civil right to participate in AU and infect it with their stupidity.

OK, then can I find a particularly strident atheist, and insist that he has a civil right to preach the Flying Spaghetti Monster at your fundie Sunday schools?

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:33:39pm

More Left Wing Intimidation

Paul Ryan Booed at Inauguration

further proof that leftists hate real America

190 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:33:44pm

re: #144 Kragar

Bryan Fischer@BryanJFischer
Obama uses cannons for 21 gun salute. Wait a minute - aren’t those “military-style assault weapons?”

Yes, Bryan, they are. They also belong to a well regulated militia.

191 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:33:53pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

comes up for me.

192 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:02pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

On and off. It’s acting very strangely.

193 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:15pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

Unfortunately not. (Tweetdeck seems to be down, though)

194 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:19pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

Banned lol I don’t have an account.

195 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:20pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Tweetdeck is working fine.

196 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:22pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Yes.

197 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

Yes. I keep getting API errors on HootSuite.

198 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:35:02pm

Tweetdeck is loading but very slowly.

199 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:35:25pm
200 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:36:03pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Yes. Just crapped out a few moments ago.

201 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:36:26pm

re: #172 freetoken

HELP HELP, I’M BEING OPPRESSED!

For a political philosophy supposedly dedicated to pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, there’s an awful lot of wallowing in whiny victimhood on the right.

202 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:37:10pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel

Never mind that they’re fired by members of the US Armed Forces, and that Joe Q Wingnut isn’t allowed them.

203 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:37:45pm

re: #2 Ian G.

But is it too late, give how much CO2 we’ve already pumped into the atmosphere, and how much will be pumped there in the foreseeable future while we wait for solar to be more cost-effective than coal? So what then? Geoengineering schemes to cool the planet? Technology to remove carbon from the atmosphere?

what do really expect to happen?

denial, despair, desperate measures that fall short, blame, and finally adjustment to the radically changed planet after decades of economic chaos, death, and dislocation

204 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:37:58pm

I’ve just been reading some tweets by local salsa promoters, and by Joe Biden, NBC, etc. Haven’t tried to post any tweets, though.

205 Tigger2  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:38:07pm

re: #201 Ian G.

HELP HELP, I’M BEING OPPRESSED!

For a political philosophy supposedly dedicated to pulling oneself up by the bootstraps, there’s an awful lot of wallowing in whiny victimhood on the right.

The Right is the definition of hypocrisy.

206 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:38:44pm

re: #202 lawhawk

Never mind that they’re fired by members of the US Armed Forces, and that Joe Q Wingnut isn’t allowed them.

JOE Q. WINGNUT IS BEING OPPRESSED!

RESTRICTIONS ON FIREARMS ARE ILLEGAL PER THE SECOND AMENDMENT. WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THE MILITARY HAS!

/David Barton

207 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:38:46pm

And like that, Twitter is back up.

208 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:38:54pm

re: #202 lawhawk

Never mind that they’re fired by members of the US Armed Forces, and that Joe Q Wingnut isn’t allowed them.

Plus those are inert shells. Derpity derp Fischer.

209 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:39:01pm

Yeah, looks like some kind of regional problem. I guess it’s the inauguration traffic.

210 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:39:50pm

The web interface is up but Tweetdeck isn’t back yet.

211 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:40:12pm

Jihadwatch is also linking to my site, they are pwn3d too.

212 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:40:27pm

Since it’s a new term, the problem of the economy will come up.

This graph by CalculateRisk is pretty illustrative:

Image: NHSNov2012.jpg

213 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:41:35pm

The GWB era economic “boom” really was just a real estate bubble.

We have yet to fully recover from the burst.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:42:49pm

CO2 and guns…just too much of them in circulation, nothing we can do will change very much…

215 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:43:18pm

A goal of the “alternative” energy push, a la inaugural speech, is in part to stimulate long term investment in in-nation construction. The administration knows not to call it a “stimulus”, but in practice that is what such investment would be.

216 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:45:33pm
217 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:46:09pm

re: #203 engineer cat

what do really expect to happen?

denial, despair, desperate measures that fall short, blame, and finally adjustment to the radically changed planet after decades of economic chaos, death, and dislocation

Denial, Despair and Desperate Measures.

New name for a musical trio?
;)

219 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:46:35pm

re: #16 A Mom Anon

Obviously these freaking assholes did not pass the “works and plays well with others” part of kindergarten. Seriously, it’s now bad to love and care for the members of your community. What the hell is wrong with these fucking people?

Jesus Wept.

you can’t say ‘community’ without ‘communist’

seriously, they think of society as the struggle of all against all, and that this requires winners and losers

democrats, you see, are maliciously trying to help the losers, when every good american knows that losers deserve to lose

220 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:47:13pm
221 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:47:47pm

OT: The troll that was caught earlier today is almost ready to be served. Please form a line at the entrance of the dining room. Thank you.

222 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:48:31pm

re: #217 Feline Fearless Leader

Denial, Despair and Desperate Measures.

New name for a musical trio?
;)

opening act for joe sartre and the existentialist despair?

223 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:48:38pm

re: #219 engineer cat

democrats, you see, are maliciously trying to help the losers, when every good american knows that losers deserve to lose

Because they’re sinners, obviously, or they would be successful.

224 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:48:50pm

re: #220 Gus

Those bangs on Michelle are great.

225 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:48:54pm
226 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:49:16pm
227 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:50:16pm

Clearly a librul commie:

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:50:24pm

re: #222 engineer cat

opening act for joe sartre and the existentialist despair?

Hmm, D, D, & DM are obviously an Irish folk act (with a modern twist). Would they fit the venue correctly to be an opener?

229 bws58  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:50:32pm

The First Gentleman, just stood up and assisted his wife with getting her coat off…sigh :)

230 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:50:43pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

Purple seems to be a favorite color of the President’s daughters. Sharp.

231 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:51:18pm

re: #221 PhillyPretzel

OT: The troll that was caught earlier today is almost ready to be served. Please form a line at the entrance of the dining room. Thank you.

You mean commonsenseiswelldone now? Will there be a side of lostlakehiker?

232 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:51:50pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

yes.

233 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:52:30pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

The Obama family.

Sasha: ‘Sup?

Malia: ZOMG!

FLOTUS: Oh Hai!

POTUS: WTF? Share with the rest of the class.

234 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:54:05pm

Can’t embed Tweets

235 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:54:38pm

PBO was just plugging in the latest drone coordinates. /

236 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:54:38pm

re: #187 Charles Johnson

Is Twitter down for anyone else?

Twitter has been busy allocating more resources to add more space and upgrade the security systems to the gulag compounds throughout the world.
There had been reports about the gulag and some sited by the UN.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:55:48pm

re: #235 Gus

PBO was just plugging in the latest drone coordinates. /

Did an actual drone do a touch-and-go on the anti-drone protest?
/

238 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:56:16pm

re: #221 PhillyPretzel

For some reason I don’t think there’s enough heat in the universe to cook the e coli out of that one.

239 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:56:33pm

re: #233 Lidane

Sasha: ‘Sup?

Malia: ZOMG!

FLOTUS: Oh Hai!

POTUS: WTF? Share with the rest of the class.

Joe Biden off-screen to the left telling a joke?
;)

240 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:57:31pm

re: #67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Erick son of Erick tries to tone down the crazy and is eaten alive

Dear Mr. Erickson et al.

This is the monster that you have fed and led for decades now slipping from its leash. Unchecked, it will destroy at least the GOP and may take the US and world with it.

To steal a phrase from your hero, you are either with this madness or against it.

241 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:57:35pm

::: in best Downton Abbey butler’s voice ::: tonight’s dinner of troll is now being served.

242 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:59:05pm

re: #189 Sol Berdinowitz

More Left Wing Intimidation

Paul Ryan Booed at Inauguration

further proof that leftists hate real America

Proof the man is still emotionally in Junior High.

243 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:59:06pm

In what passes for the minds of the right, the quite beautiful folk tune Kumbaya has somehow become the very symbol of the godless, America-hating heathen left. In recent references we have heard it most often “cited or alluded to in satirical or cynical ways which suggest false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature,” as wikipedia puts it. I thought I would post the famous Sandpipers rendition to remind everyone of the kind of thought and sentiment the present-day right finds so ridiculous:

244 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:59:15pm
245 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:59:15pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

::: in best Downton Abbey butler’s voice ::: tonight’s dinner of troll is now being served.

I’ll take care of the salad bar and get it set up.

246 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 1:59:22pm

re: #241 PhillyPretzel

::: in best Downton Abbey butler’s voice ::: tonight’s dinner of troll is now being served.

What’s the vintage of the nutjob tears being served? And did VB bring any pwned Geller as an additional side dish?
;)

247 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:00:33pm

re: #144 Kragar

And lets go to the Derp…
[snip]

Obama uses cannons for 21 gun salute. Wait a minute - aren’t those “military-style assault weapons?”

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) January 21, 2013

Yes, and who owns them and who is firing them? I don’t think they got them from Bob down the road and are having his little boy Jimmy activating the firing mechanism.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:00:44pm

re: #243 Shiplord Kirel

In their minds it stands for pacifists who think tht they can solve the world’s problems just by singing the song..it is one of their stock-in-trade cliches.


You know, like people who think they can pray the gay away or end droughts through Statewide Days of Prayer…

250 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:00:47pm

re: #246 Feline Fearless Leader

A vintage champagne is being served. And yes the Feline Overlord is invited too.

251 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:01:15pm

Tentative joy…

Dear God, please inspire him to really mean it about climate.

I think it is possible that the GOP in the course of being so ridiculously intransigent on every matter, large and small, has finally convinced the President that negotiations with thugs who refuse to negotiate are futile. I think it is possible that he is going to throw political caution to the wind, because there is absolutely nothing he can do that will be given a fair hearing by the right.

So here is praying he finds every way in the book to circumvent and render meaningless the GOP when they try to deny science and condemn all of us to a climate collapse. All future generations are riding on him meaning it and convincing others to mean it.

252 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:01:20pm

re: #238 A Mom Anon

For some reason I don’t think there’s enough heat in the universe to cook the e coli out of that one.

And I missed it!

253 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:01:28pm

In regards to the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi opposing Mali’s action:

There have been allegations for the past year that the Algerian Secret Service has been supporting Iyad Ag Ghaly and Ansar Dine.

And remember, the Muslim Brotherhood is part of the coalition in power in Algeria, and the different national branches of the Muslim Brotherhood move in roughly the same direction.

Or, to put it more bluntly, Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood approves of the radicals here. And their destruction of places like Timbuktu. Morsi’s call for a “developmental and peaceful” intervention is bullshit. No such thing is possible without stabilization, which these Taliban-esque nutcases don’t want.

Time to yank Egypt’s aid, and give it to Jordan. Jordan has been a much better Ally anyway.

254 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:02:09pm
255 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:02:19pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

President Obama gives the “shaka” sign as the Punahou marching band goes by.

Ohhh noes… does that mean that there is a black president who was inaugurated on MLK day? Whatever will wingnut America do?

////

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:02:31pm

re: #251 Mad Prophet Ludwig

He had to keep mum about a lot of things to get re-elected. Now, as he mentioned to Russian President Medvedyev, he can be a lot more flexible after the elections…

257 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:03:22pm

re: #255 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Ohhh noes… does that mean that there is a black president who was inaugurated on MLK day? Whatever will wingnut America do?

////

They’ll never believe it’s a Hawaiin thing and not a “black” thing.

258 jaunte  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:03:25pm

re: #251 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I think it is possible that the GOP in the course of being so ridiculously intransigent on every matter, large and small, has finally convinced the President that negotiations with thugs who refuse to negotiate are futile.

It was odd listening to talking heads on the news this morning, suggesting that Obama needs to try much harder to negotiate this time around.

259 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:04:28pm

re: #258 jaunte

It was odd listening to talking heads on the news this morning, suggesting that Obama needs to try much harder to negotiate this time around.

This after POTUS said he was done negotiating with himself on every damn thing, and that he wouldn’t allow the obstructionists to force the same conversations every few months.

260 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:04:41pm

re: #254 Lidane

Maddow Blog: GOP feels left out of Obama inaugural

But why would the party of assbackward racism, superstitious anti-science, greed and corporate corruption feel left out of the inauguration of a forward thinking, pro-science, help the little guy, black man?

261 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:05:40pm

re: #258 jaunte

It was odd listening to talking heads on the news this morning, suggesting that Obama needs to try much harder to negotiate this time around.

The kind of stupidity you have to be a TV talking head to say seriously in public. Do they have special “How to pretend that raging assholes are not raging assholes” courses in journalism school?

262 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:05:54pm
263 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:08:52pm

re: #243 Shiplord Kirel

In what passes for the minds of the right, the quite beautiful folk tune Kumbaya has somehow become the very symbol of the godless, America-hating heathen left. In recent references we have heard it most often “cited or alluded to in satirical or cynical ways which suggest false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature,” as wikipedia puts it. I thought I would post the famous Sandpipers rendition to remind everyone of the kind of thought and sentiment the present-day right finds so ridiculous:

[Embedded content]

It stands for positive aspects of human nature that are utterly rejected by the hard right. Therefore it is anathema. These people really are a cult.

264 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:09:17pm

re: #42 stabby

it was in an interview by Terry Gross on Fresh Air with someone who did surveys of religious people

He also said that most American church goers no longer believe the dogma that people from other denomination will go to hell and no longer believe the dogma that gays will go to hell. This includes evangelicals who are about evenly split

He said that a group of Lutheran ministers found that news very depressing

He said that most Americans have a best friend who isn’t from their denomination. And most have a gay or lesbian relative or friend.

Familiarity ends that kind of belief.

Can we conclude that all the obama-hating wingnuts actually don’t have a black best friend? I think we can.

does anyone believe in Heaven and Hell?

Really? I mean, Really?

265 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:09:22pm

re: #253 ProBosniaLiberal

Not to mention that the MB is trying to destabilize that country. All the Foreign Aid that can be spared should be redirected to keeping Jordan afloat. In addition, the Palestinian Conflict must be manipulated to give the Hashemites more weight against both Saudi and the MB.

266 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:09:56pm

re: #257 FemNaziBitch

They’ll never believe it’s a Hawaiin thing and not a “black” thing.

Nope they won’t, and that is sort of the point. They have crazied themselves into irrelevance. Even middle America is catching on that these are insane and dangerous freaks.

I was pleasantly surprised by how much I find that GOP threats to trash the economy are falling on unsympathetic ears. I was pleasantly surprised to see how many are really tired of and disgusted by yet another round of stupid GOP comments about rape. I was pleasantly surprised how many I have spoken to who were agnostic on gun issues until they saw Alex Jones freak out on Piers Morgan.

I truly think that the middle is turning against the GOP in a very strong way.

The bad news in that is that they still have a lot of power and money and that their freakazoid base is going to feel ever more impotent - which inevitably lead to some wingnut violence.

267 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:10:33pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

does anyone believe in Heaven and Hell?

Really? I mean, Really?

I think a lot of people are simply too afraid not to…

268 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:10:58pm

re: #258 jaunte

It was odd listening to talking heads on the news this morning, suggesting that Obama needs to try much harder to negotiate this time around.

I hear that sentiment as well. I just want to scream when I do.

269 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:11:29pm

re: #243 Shiplord Kirel

In what passes for the minds of the right, the quite beautiful folk tune Kumbaya has somehow become the very symbol of the godless, America-hating heathen left. In recent references we have heard it most often “cited or alluded to in satirical or cynical ways which suggest false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature,” as wikipedia puts it. I thought I would post the famous Sandpipers rendition to remind everyone of the kind of thought and sentiment the present-day right finds so ridiculous:

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That’s a very nice version.

I’m a veteran of the Catholic Church’s old “folk masses”; there might even be a chance (slim, but a chance) I’d still consider myself Catholic had they continued to opt for that more inclusive style of worship than the “dominus vobiscum” nonsense they eventually reverted to.

My favorite version of that song:

Guadalcanal Diary - Kumbayah

It’s less, um, tidy than the Sandpipers’ version. :-)

270 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:11:59pm
271 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:12:06pm

re: #267 Sol Berdinowitz

I think a lot of people are simply too afraid not to…

they’re afraid they’ll go to hell if they don’t believe in hell?

272 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:12:13pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

does anyone believe in Heaven and Hell?

Really? I mean, Really?

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

273 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:12:18pm

SHAKA! Like “Zulu?” OMG, it’s the signal for the race war to start! Black Panther ACORN cells are passing out their shotguns and AKs even as we speak! Grab your own guns! The South shall rise again!

274 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:12:36pm

re: #269 BongCrodny

dominus vobiscum

sounds like a bug or a virus.

275 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:13:01pm

Oh, on the whole “collective” thing.

Ronald Wilson Reagan, January 20, 1981:

Why, then, should we think that collectively, as a nation, we’re not bound by that same limitation?

276 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:13:33pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

does anyone believe in Heaven and Hell?

Really? I mean, Really?

I think belief in heaven and hell is still commonplace. What is getting less common is beliefs that people are going to hell for trivialities such as different denomination or for simply being gay.

277 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:15:16pm

re: #272 Feline Fearless Leader

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

I know, I know, we are back to the different levels of understanding deep thought conversation. I don’t have the patience for it today.

I just want sometimes to bank my head against the wall when I hear about such “one size fit’s all” concepts —like Heaven and Hell.

“Eat your Peas” or you will go to hell -type of thinking just doesn’t compute with me.

278 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:16:02pm

not sure where the belief in burning in hell for eternity came in since it certainly was not present in judaism when jesus was alive and practicing judaism

279 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:16:13pm

re: #275 Shvaughn

Oh, on the whole “collective” thing.

Ronald Wilson Reagan, January 20, 1981:

Seems like some morons like Joel Pollak can’t tell the difference between an adjective and a noun.

280 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:16:23pm

re: #271 engineer cat

they’re afraid they’ll go to hell if they don’t believe in hell?

They are afraid to let go of a religious system of belief that they were raised in.

281 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:16:33pm

re: #272 Feline Fearless Leader

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

― George Carlin

Carlin should have said “median”, but then too many people wouldn’t get the joke.

282 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:16:45pm

re: #273 Shiplord Kirel


Chaka Kahn

283 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:17:02pm

THIS IS EPIC
Watch FLOTUS roll her eyes at Boehner.

(Video can’t be embedded, you have to go over to Gawker to see it)

284 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:17:13pm

re: #278 engineer cat

not sure where the belief in burning in hell for eternity came in since it certainly was not present in judaism when jesus was alive and practicing judaism

Dante

285 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:18:08pm

re: #279 Gus

Seems like some morons like Joel Pollak can’t tell the difference between an adjective and a noun.

essentially wingnuttia has decided to conflate marxism with levying taxes

286 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:18:47pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Dante synthesized the Medieval European world view. Its origins are earlier.

287 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:18:48pm

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS EPIC
Watch FLOTUS roll her eyes at Boehner.

(Video can’t be embedded, you have to go over to Gawker to see it)

ZOMG! See! Absolute proof she hates whitey!

I’m using the wingnut tag for snark, but I’ve actually seen this reaction online.

288 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:18:54pm

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

does anyone believe in Heaven and Hell?

Really? I mean, Really?

You thought they were joking?

Really? I mean REALLY?

289 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:19:07pm

re: #230 PhillyPretzel

Purple seems to be a favorite color of the President’s daughters. Sharp.

What?

290 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:19:10pm

OUTRAGE!

291 iossarian  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:19:51pm

re: #281 EPR-radar

Carlin should have said “median”, but then too many people wouldn’t get the joke.

“Think how many people don’t know what ‘median’ means, and then realize that many of them work at jobs that require some kind of numerical skill.”

292 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:21:22pm

re: #290 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

‘Groupon’

“groupon” - the name betrays its radical marxist ideology

293 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:21:28pm

re: #271 engineer cat

they’re afraid they’ll go to hell if they don’t believe in hell?

YES THEY ARE. Is that so hard to understand? You’ve put your finger on the precise mechanism by which religion destroys the human mind’s ability to become sentient. Fear of rationality is what obliterates the potential for rationality.

294 Gus  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:21:38pm

bbl

295 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:22:15pm

re: #290 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Move to boycott ‘Groupon’ for abrupt new anti-gun policy

Isn’t buying guns en masse at a discount the very sort of thing a well-regulated militia does?

296 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:23:19pm

More Chaka

definitely subversive11ty!

297 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:23:37pm
298 erik_t  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:23:47pm

re: #291 iossarian

“Think how many people don’t know what ‘median’ means, and then realize that many of them work at jobs that require some kind of numerical skill.”

It’s that bit in the middle of the road what separates my lanes from the lanes goin’ the other way.

/

299 iossarian  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:23:49pm

re: #295 Sol Berdinowitz

Isn’t buying guns on mass at a discount the very sort of thing a well-regulated militia does?

Where will the US military realize the savings required by sequestration now???

300 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:24:30pm

re: #265 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, I do feel for the Palestinians, and my intensity as such can make me iconoclastic here.

But in the long run, getting rid of the Saudi Government is more important. Even if that means the Palestinians never get their own state, but get subsumed into Jordan.

Aside from that, I would like to see multi-national regional projects like the AMU and the East African Federation become the norm. And Palestine being part of that.

If Britain hadn’t been a bit of an idiot at the beginning of WWI, it may have been possible that the Ottoman Empire would still be around. Probably a Great Power along the lines of the UK, possibly more so. And much of this shit would not have gone down.

301 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:24:51pm

I also gotta say, I think the First Lady’s bangs are looking good.

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS EPIC
Watch FLOTUS roll her eyes at Boehner.

(Video can’t be embedded, you have to go over to Gawker to see it)

And that is perfect. It is refreshing to see her honest response to an unpatriotic, anti-american, delusional slime bucket.

Boner wants to shut down the economy for more leverage… well…

He is as full of worth as a 30 minute old cooling gob of spurted pus. I am glad to see the first lady ignore the cretin.

302 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:24:57pm

re: #295 Sol Berdinowitz

Isn’t buying guns on mass at a discount the very sort of thing a well-regulated militia does?

Well yes, but in this case the ZOMG OUTRAGE is because Groupon cancelled an offer for concealed carry classes.

303 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:26:32pm

re: #300 ProBosniaLiberal

Then again, it’s possible the Ottoman Empire would have been healthier had that POS Abdulhamid II not become Sultan.

304 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:30:28pm

re: #293 stabby

YES THEY ARE. Is that so hard to understand? You’ve put your finger on the precise mechanism by which religion destroys the human mind’s ability to become sentient. Fear of rationality is what obliterates the potential for rationality.

The fancy term for this stupid line of reasoning is Pascal’s Wager, which runs something like this:

I can choose to be an atheist or a believer.

1) I can be an atheist. If I’m wrong, it’s eternity spent hip deep in molten lead. If I’m right, I get the benefits of not going to church (e.g., more time on Sundays).

2) I can be a believer (or at least pretend). If I’m wrong, I’m out a few Sundays. If I’m right, heaven (probably) awaits.

Belief then follows as a consequence of risk mitigation.

The essential futility of this line of reasoning is apparent once the question of exactly which beliefs need to be subscribed to in order to get out of hell is raised.

305 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:34:16pm

I have to run to get food… blood sugar so low

I just wanted to say i was arguing with a wingnut and the new conspiracy theory is:
Obama is running a 3rd world style campaign of enforcers.

As Haitian dictators had their “technicals” and Robert Mubage has his “veterans” and Putin has his Nashi youth or Chavez and his red shirts, Obama launched an activist base

Every time an activist group on facebook boycotts a Rush Limbaugh advertiser - that’s Obama silencing the press
When a newpaper prints a map that uses public records to show what neighborhoods gun owners live in, that’s Obama outing the gun nuts to destroy them
etc etc etc
every single thing that happens in the US is part of a vast conspiracy run by the President.

And of course he darkly threatened that if this tactic works (and he says he prays it doesn’t) then of course the Republicans will have no choice but to adopt these tactics.

Sigh. You can see this coming a mile away. They’ve invented this conspiracy theory in order to excuse the coming Republican enforcers.

It’s like how #TGDN started out hallucinating that liberals are deliberately conspiring to get them banned and now they’re a group that … deliberately conspires to get liberals banned.

But worse. This isn’t necessarily an organic bunch of paranoids with a delusion. It sounds more like an excuse for dirty tricks already being planned.

306 stabby  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:36:27pm

re: #304 EPR-radar

The problem is the assumption that one can choice beliefs based on external rewards rather than be forced to take beliefs by the evidence.

I originally typed “eternal rewards” instead of “external rewards” slip

307 austin_blue  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:40:14pm

re: #277 FemNaziBitch

I know, I know, we are back to the different levels of understanding deep thought conversation. I don’t have the patience for it today.

I just want sometimes to bank my head against the wall when I hear about such “one size fit’s all” concepts —like Heaven and Hell.

“Eat your Peas” or you will go to hell -type of thinking just doesn’t compute with me.

Half the people in this country have a real problem getting around the concept of evolution. Of *course* they believe in the reality of heaven and hell.

308 Lidane  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 2:44:34pm

Yes, because heavier cars are always safer:

309 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 4:57:09pm

re: #171 iossarian

Thing is, though, if you’re a functioning adult human, you have to be essentially willfully ignorant if you think that right-wing economic and social policies don’t lead to a concentration of wealth and power. I mean the evidence is pretty stark, both across different time periods (observe wealth concentration in Europe between 1900 and 2000, for example) and geographies (US vs. other industrialized nations, etc.).

In other words, right-wing politicians are either very gullible and naive, or calculating pro-oligarchy stooges.

Indeed. It has to be remembered that even if the GOP were to regain its collective sanity, this analysis would apply. There is always going to be a political party that essentially stands for concentration of wealth and power.

I would like that party in the US to be sane.

310 chadu  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 7:36:49pm

re: #15 Tigger2

Fricking agreed. In a twit-discussion with Alec Baldwin re: “collectivism.”

311 chadu  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 7:38:46pm

re: #43 stabby

I’m 41, and church wasn’t like that.

312 chadu  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 7:41:16pm

re: #37 Mich-again

Why not just do something? Fuck the idiots.

313 chadu  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 7:42:56pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

He’s fricking brave.

314 ThomasLite  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 1:20:27pm

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS EPIC
Watch FLOTUS roll her eyes at Boehner.

(Video can’t be embedded, you have to go over to Gawker to see it)

Hmm, this comment on that link looks more likely to me:

It looks like she was reacting to whatever her husband and Boehner were talking about behind her (most likely the latest episode of ‘Downton’). But as usual, this will probably get blown out of proportion.

It seems like a perfectly jolly conversation to me - no indication Boehner was being his usual (un)professional self…


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