Sunday Night Classic: Imogen Heap, “Hide and Seek”

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Every time I listen to this song by Imogen Heap I hear more nuances in the vocal arrangement. An incredible piece of music and poetry.

Where are we? What the hell is going on?
The dust has only just begun to fall,
Crop circles in the carpet, sinking, feeling.
Spin me ‘round again and rub my eyes.
This can’t be happening.
When busy streets amass with people
Would stop to hold their heads heavy.

Hide and seek.
Trains and sewing machines.
All those years they were here first.

Oily marks appear on walls
Where pleasure moments hung before.
The takeover, the sweeping insensitivity of this still life.

Hide and seek.
Trains and sewing machines. (Oh, you won’t catch me around here)
Blood and tears,
They were here first.

Mmm, what you say?
Mm, that you only meant well? Well, of course you did.
Mmm, what you say?
Mm, that it’s all for the best? Of course it is.
Mmm, what you say?
Mm, that it’s just what we need? And you decided this.
What you say?
Mmm, what did you say?

Ransom notes keep falling out your mouth.
Mid-sweet talk, newspaper word cut-outs.
Speak no feeling, no I don’t believe you.
You don’t care a bit. You don’t care a bit.

(hide and seek)
Ransom notes keep falling out your mouth.
Mid-sweet talk, newspaper word cut-outs.
(hide and seek)
Speak no feeling, no I don’t believe you.
You don’t care a bit. You don’t care a bit.

(hide and seek)
You don’t care a bit.
You don’t care a bit.
You don’t care a bit.
(hide and seek)
You don’t care a bit.
You don’t care a bit.

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380 comments
1 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:15:22pm

Seeks, and does not hide!

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:20:56pm
3 ausador  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:25:28pm

Kept skipping ahead in the video waiting for the “auto-tune” intro to stop but it just never did. :(

Is this honestly where even exceptional singers who can stand on their own talent are going to go now? It just seems a bit shortsighted to me for a truly gifted singer to hide her own talent behind computer effects. Aren’t there already enough “auto-tuned” wanna-be singers out there already?

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:30:22pm

re: #3 ausador

Dude! This goes way beyond using auto-tune to hide pitch problems. Listen to it again - she’s not hiding anything, she’s using the technology to form some very sophisticated chords and harmonic passages.

Oh well, everybody doesn’t like what I like, I guess. (But I think this is one of the most impressive solo vocal pieces ever recorded.)

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:40:47pm
6 Ed E. Lishus  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 8:51:26pm

The vocals remind me a bit of the (beginning of) “O Superman” by Laurie Anderson.

7 ausador  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 9:12:15pm

Natural vocals, even by amateur singers can be amazing too…you would swear a delayed reverb effect is being used here…

Youtube Video


And in this one a lone female singer does a duet, both the female and the male parts with an amazing show of vocal range…

Youtube Video

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 9:29:13pm

Whoa. The Walking Dead. Intense.

9 ausador  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 10:08:22pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The Walking Dead. Intense.

Spoiler: Eventually everyone is going to die, it is inevitable.

Besides half of everything we have seen so far is probably just going to end up being rebooted and explained away as a dream by one of the lead characters once the writers finish painting themselves into a corner.

10 The War TARDIS  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 10:24:30pm

I just realized something.

Ian being the Head of the Board of Governors at Coal Hill School means that he likely hired Clara Oswald.

I wonder who would write a letter of recommendation? Perhaps a certain Doctor “Foreman”?

11 Lidane  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 11:18:02pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The Walking Dead. Intense.

Spoiler

The Governor came back a lot faster than I thought he would.

Also, the image of the dead guy in the lake makes me wonder if that’s going to be The Governor’s new thing. Instead of an aquarium filled with heads, a lake full of chained walkers would be even creepier.

12 ausador  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 11:39:11pm

Besides, it has become more and more apparent where “The Walking Dead” writers really stole their story line from…

Youtube Video

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13 sagehen  Sun, Nov 24, 2013 11:54:13pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Whoa. The Walking Dead. Intense.

Spoiler

good ep.

Am I being disloyal if I find the plots and characterization of the 2 Governor episodes more enjoyable than the prison plague episodes? And the Governor’s team looks like a superior battle force to Rick’s team?

14 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 12:13:06am

re: #13 sagehen

Spoiler

It’s the tank. And the fact that The Governor’s team isn’t dealing with disease right now.

I want a Michonne/Governor throwdown with Daryl thrown into the mix. That would rule.

15 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:08:48am

I wonder how long this took to make? An anti-diplomacy video put out on the 22nd.

Youtube Video

16 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:19:02am

Hmm. No. Too contrived for effect. I guess auto-tuning has reached its limits now. I think the lyrics are too precious by half. Just not my cup of tea.

Not as bad, though, as the guy here in the apts who has a loud, souped up pickup that he revs up and runs for 15 minutes (no matter the temp) before he leaves every morning. Wakes the whole neighborhood up, I suspect.

I could have slept in since it’s only 20 deg here, so grumpiness needs to wear off.

17 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:23:19am

So much Stupid in one Tweet.

18 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:25:31am

re: #17 Learned Pie Of Zion

So much Stupid in one Tweet.

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He was courageous for presenting a plastic turkey to those who served their country.

19 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:26:16am

re: #15 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I wonder how long this took to make? An anti-diplomacy video put out on the 22nd.

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And someone was too much of a coward to post any information on who makes and disseminates this propaganda, either. There are 2: this one and “Iran Facts”.

20 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:27:57am

re: #18 Usually refered to as anyways

He was courageous for presenting a plastic turkey to those who served their country.

Mike Andy is just like Prudence, but his specialty is GWB-worship. You know, like certain people accuse liberals of “Obama worship” Mike Andy is really into the GWB worship. So lame it’s actually funny.

21 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:31:25am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Because they’re the only rightwingers who can identify Iran on a map?

22 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:48:18am

“Limited, temporary, reversible.” Deputy National Security Adviser, Tony Blinken, on Iran nuclear deal.

Netanyahu calls it an “historic mistake.” Not surprising.

Plenty in our own Congress are working against this. The lobbyists are going to be very, very busy.

23 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:49:50am

Gah it’s cold in here. Good thing that I left a hoodie and fingerless gloves here last year.

24 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:20:17am

BECAUSE REPUBLICANS SUCK.

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:21:37am

re: #24 Learned Pie Of Zion

BECAUSE REPUBLICANS SUCK.

Why do so many Jewish people continue to support the Democratic party when the Democrats are so bad for Israel?]

Because Israel is a political entity and Judaism is a religion.

Lots of people do not understand this distinction.

26 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:22:28am

re: #25 Sol Berdinowitz

Because Israel is a political entity and Judaism is a religion.

Lots of people do not understand this distinction.

And Jewish people don’t all follow Judaism, anyway. Especially a ton of people in Israel.

27 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:23:37am

re: #26 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

And Jewish people don’t all follow Judaism, anyway. Especially a ton of people in Israel.

And American Jews are American. Also blindly following one political party in Israel is not support for Israel.

28 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:26:10am
29 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:26:48am

re: #18 Usually refered to as anyways

He was courageous for presenting a plastic turkey to those who served their country.

It was a real turkey, and it was good of President Bush to put in that Thanksgiving visit. But it wasn’t an act of great courage, and Obama has done thoughtful things as well.

30 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:27:41am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

It was a real turkey, and it was good of President Bush to put in that Thanksgiving visit. But it wasn’t an act of great courage, and Obama has done thoughtful things as well.

It was a display platter, no soldier took food from that platter, GWB just hoisted it for a photo op.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:29:04am

re: #30 Learned Pie Of Zion

It was a display platter, no soldier took food from that platter, GWB just hoisted it for a photo op.

Some Turkey Truthers insist that he never went to Iraq: those were said to be publiciy shots taken at a soundstage.

32 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:31:51am

re: #31 Sol Berdinowitz

Some Turkey Truthers insist that he never went to Iraq: those were said to be publiciy shots taken at a soundstage.

And those people were being haters. But the fact remains that its not need to run George W. Bush down on this one, because the fault is on the Obama-haters, not him.

33 Dr. Matt  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:33:29am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

It was a real turkey, and it was good of President Bush to put in that Thanksgiving visit. But it wasn’t an act of great courage, and Obama has done thoughtful things as well.

It was a fucking prop and if Prez Obama held up a prop/display turkey the Teabag dipshits would be fuming [once again] and would turn it into yet another non-scandal.

34 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:37:53am

WTFITS
1500 people died on the Titanic

35 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:39:13am

The Daily Mail took the Guardian’s pompous dickery regarding The Day of the Doctor as a challenge.

Jim Shelley of The Daily Mail called the episode “a clever, chaotic, infuriating combination of nifty, knowing tiny detail and big, hollow, pompous bluster.” However, he disliked the effects, accusing the BBC on pandering to the American audience, as well as disliking the Zygons, deeming them not “scary enough,” and naming Matt Smith and David Tennant “irritating.”

Let me borrow from Capaldi for second.

*ahem*

Piss off you fucking small-minded wanker.

36 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:39:59am

re: #34 Learned Pie Of Zion

WTFITS
1500 people died on the Titanic

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Stay Classy, Peggy!


I swear, that woman’s hatred of Barack Obama knows no bounds.

37 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:41:18am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

Stay Classy, Peggy!

I swear, that woman’s hatred of Barack Obama knows no bounds.

She’s just an old dipsomaniac.

38 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:41:48am

re: #35 The War TARDIS

Though, I’m pretty sure they gave glowing reviews of Triumph of the Wills

39 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:44:06am

re: #38 The War TARDIS

Though, I’m pretty sure they gave glowing reviews of Triumph of the Wills

Let’s not indulge in Godwin’s Law violations, shall we?

40 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:45:36am

re: #37 Learned Pie Of Zion

She’s just an old dipsomaniac.

Imagine being that dysfunctional and unhappy.

41 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:48:13am

re: #38 The War TARDIS

Dude, Dr Who is a TV show. I know you love it, but to compare someone not liking it to liking Nazi propaganda is a bit much. Especially if you want people to take you at all seriously as a grown up. If I watched it, didn’t care for it and voiced my opinion, would that make me a glowing supporter of Nazis? It’s a bit early in the day for this, even if it was evening.

42 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:49:51am

re: #40 Justanotherhuman

No. Lol. Peggy could have retired years ago and be sipping Chablis at the Club (dahling). But noooo. I can’t imagine having to live with some of these miserable souls, thank goodness I don’t have to.

43 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:49:54am

re: #37 Learned Pie Of Zion

She’s just an old dipsomaniac.

She hate Obama too much for it to just be the booze.

45 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:51:30am

Well doesn’t that make some of us feel old as shit.

46 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:53:19am

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

I have to wonder the last time half of the pundit class left the DC area. If they actually could sully themselves enough to visit other parts of the country (without looking down their noses at everyone), they’d have to face the fact that they’re wrong most of the time. Which I guess is why they rarely if ever leave. I could be wrong, they just don’t act like they’ve ever been anywhere outside their little comfort zones.

47 Stoatly  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:54:44am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Dude! This goes way beyond using auto-tune to hide pitch problems. Listen to it again - she’s not hiding anything, she’s using the technology to form some very sophisticated chords and harmonic passages.

Oh well, everybody doesn’t like what I like, I guess. (But I think this is one of the most impressive solo vocal pieces ever recorded.)

Poliça lead singer Channy Leaneagh treats her voice with effects too
(you can see her twiddling with the effects box live on this:)
Youtube Video

Personally with her voice I think less is more - the released version of “Lay your cards out” has way too much and the live version I heard sounded much better (to me) with the processing dialled way back (but with enough to keep the other-worldly feel)
Mileages, as ever, vary

48 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:57:55am

re: #41 A Mom Anon

That was more a reference for the Daily Mail’s support of Hitler back in the day. There’s a reason they are called the Daily Heil.

I do wonder why trying to bring an American Audience is a bad thing. Is the mask slipping?

49 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:00:10am

re: #46 A Mom Anon

I have to wonder the last time half of the pundit class left the DC area. If they actually could sully themselves enough to visit other parts of the country (without looking down their noses at everyone), they’d have to face the fact that they’re wrong most of the time. Which I guess is why they rarely if ever leave. I could be wrong, they just don’t act like they’ve ever been anywhere outside their little comfort zones.

Oh, pundits do leave the DC area, but for the most part they stay in their own comfort zone. For a conservative pundit to really “get out there”, they might try taking a tour of some famous places in Chicago and talking to the people they meet. A liberal pundit might try visiting Nashville, Tenn and some the Civil War battlefields of that state and talk to the people around there.

In both cases, such a visit would actually expose them to people who support the other side in a relatively normal setting.

50 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:02:10am

re: #48 The War TARDIS

That was more a reference for the Daily Mail’s support of Hitler back in the day. There’s a reason they are called the Daily Heil.

I do wonder why trying to bring an American Audience is a bad thing. Is the mask slipping?

It’s just cheap Anti-Americanism, PLL. It happens at times in the British press. It bothers me too, but its not something you should take personally.

51 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:02:36am

re: #45 Learned Pie Of Zion

Well doesn’t that make some of us feel old as shit.

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Well, I guess that makes me older than shit because I became a great-grandmother twice—5 yrs ago, and almost 4 yrs ago. Two now, which might be the limit, and hope I live to see them grow up. And I’m only 2 yrs older than Jagger. There will be 4 generations of us here on Thanksgiving. : )

52 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:03:02am

John Cornyn continues to f*ck that chicken.

53 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:06:15am

re: #52 b.d.

Is it true that Cornyn is a Master of Disasters? Also, project much Senator?

54 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:06:18am

re: #52 b.d.

John Cornyn continues to f*ck that chicken.

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55 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:07:52am

WTFITS
CONFIRMED. FACT.

56 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:10:21am

I suppose it’s too much to expect, in the spirit of the holiday, for these derpshits to lay off the lies and manufactured outrage for just a few days.

57 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:12:39am

No you asshat. Socialism is when the means of production is owned BY THE WORKERS. Jesus, wingnuts are stupid.

58 The War TARDIS  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:13:08am

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Shockingly, it occurred in the Daily Mail this time, not the Guardian.

Maybe 23/11 was opposite day.

59 chadu  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:19:37am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Dude! This goes way beyond using auto-tune to hide pitch problems. Listen to it again - she’s not hiding anything, she’s using the technology to form some very sophisticated chords and harmonic passages.

Oh well, everybody doesn’t like what I like, I guess. (But I think this is one of the most impressive solo vocal pieces ever recorded.)

Agreed.

I personally like this one even better.

Youtube Video

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:20:37am

re: #57 Learned Pie Of Zion

No you asshat. Socialism is when the means of production is owned BY THE WORKERS. Jesus, wingnuts are stupid.

Socialism is when the means of production is owned and controlled by the gov’t. Does GM come to mind? How about healthcare?

“Socialsm” is anything these people don’t like, just like some people use “fascism” to describe anything they don’t like.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:23:09am

re: #57 Learned Pie Of Zion

No you asshat. Socialism is when the means of production is owned BY THE WORKERS. Jesus, wingnuts are stupid.

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Actually, that’s more like communism. Socialism is more the government mandating certain standards of living and redistributing to ensure same.

62 chadu  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:24:59am

re: #57 Learned Pie Of Zion

No you asshat. Socialism is when the means of production is owned BY THE WORKERS. Jesus, wingnuts are stupid.

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Isn’t it Fascism when the means of production is owned and controlled by the government? Or is that Communism?

no /

63 darthstar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:27:03am

Mornin’ gang…how about an extra scoop of diplomacy with your cornflakes.

64 Stoatly  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:29:10am

re: #48 The War TARDIS

That was more a reference for the Daily Mail’s support of Hitler back in the day. There’s a reason they are called the Daily Heil.

And the Guardian refused to print Malcolm Muggeridge’s exposé of Stalin’s famine because that would have been anti-Socialist

I do wonder why trying to bring an American Audience is a bad thing. Is the mask slipping?

The danger (seen from this side of the Atlantic, and maybe from yours as well) with trying too hard to appeal to a US audience is turning something distinctly British in feel to just another American import.
That happen with Mcgann’s Doctor - and IIRC was the main cause of the lukewarm reception, particularly his use of a gun

(Though it’s also possible the Mail is blowing a dog-whistle too - Anti-Americanism is one of the many Anti-s popular among the conservative blue-rinses who read the Mail)

65 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:32:16am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the right wing is pitching yet another fit over the Iran deal, and a few tweets seemed to claim that this deal was contrived to get people to not focus on Obamacare.

Well, news flash.

The workings of this deal were set in motion eight months ago when diplomats began meeting in secret in Oman with representatives of Iran. Everyone was in the dark, until the US let Israel know that talks were ongoing, and then talks were expanded to the P5+I format to try and formalize the discussions that had been ongoing between Iran and the US.

This was no sudden breakthrough in the past few weeks. It’s the culmination of a lengthy secret discussion.

That this was all going on in secret could help explain why the French were upset with the talks; it cut them out of being key intermediaries since the US and Iran were directly dealing.

It was at this first high-level gathering at a secure location in the Omani capital of Muscat that the Obama administration began laying the groundwork for this weekend’s historic nuclear pact between world powers and Iran, The Associated Press has learned.

Even America’s closest allies were kept in the dark. Obama first shared the existence of the secret diplomacy with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in September, and only then offered a limited recounting of how long the discussions between Iran and the United States had been taking place.

The Obama administration then informed the five other nations negotiating alongside the U.S. — Britain, China, France, Germany and Russia. And since then much of their public diplomacy with Iran has focused on incorporating and formalizing the progress made in the private U.S.-Iranian talks.

The AP has learned that at least five secret meetings have occurred between top Obama administration and Iranian officials since March.

Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and Jake Sullivan, Vice President Joe Biden’s top foreign policy adviser, led each U.S. delegation. At the most recent face-to-face talks, they were joined by chief U.S. nuclear negotiator Wendy Sherman.

It was at the final get-together that the two sides ultimately agreed on the contours of the pact signed before dawn Sunday by the so-called P5+1 group of nations and Iran, three senior administration officials told the AP. All officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to be quoted by name talking about the sensitive diplomacy.

The AP was tipped to the first U.S.-Iranian meeting in March, shortly after it occurred, but the White House and State Department disputed elements of the account and the AP could not confirm the meeting. As the Geneva talks appeared to be reaching their conclusion, senior administration officials confirmed to the AP the details of the extensive outreach. They spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss by name the secret talks.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:35:50am

re: #62 chadu

Isn’t it Fascism when the means of production is owned and controlled by the government? Or is that Communism?

no /

This is a bit smartassed but close to the truth:

SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows. You give one to your neighbour that had no cows.

COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk.

FASCISM
You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk.

NAZISM
You have 2 cows. The State takes both and shoots you.

BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away…

TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income.

SURREALISM
You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

AN AMERICAN CORPORATION
You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead.

ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM
You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States, leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public then buys your bull.

THE ANDERSEN MODEL
You have two cows. You shred them.

A FRENCH CORPORATION
You have two cows. You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows.

A JAPANESE CORPORATION
You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called ‘Cowkimon’ and market it worldwide.

A GERMAN CORPORATION
You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

AN ITALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows, but you don’t know where they are. You decide to have lunch.

A RUSSIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 2 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

A SWISS CORPORATION
You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you. You charge the owners for storing them.

A CHINESE CORPORATION
You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity. You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation.

AN INDIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows. You worship them.

A BRITISH CORPORATION
You have two cows. Both are mad.

AN IRAQI CORPORATION
Everyone thinks you have lots of cows. You tell them that you have none. No-one believes you, so they bomb the **** out of you and invade your country. You still have no cows, but at least now you are part of a Democracy.

A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION
You have two cows. The one on the left looks very attractive.

AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION
You have two cows. Business seems pretty good. You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate.

67 darthstar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:36:14am

Got sucked into the vortex of dealing with a GG defender last night. I still feel dirty.

68 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:39:42am

re: #67 darthstar

Got sucked into the vortex of dealing with a GG defender last night. I still feel dirty.

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“Mona” may be a GG sockpuppet. “Mona” is also into Holocaust denial.

69 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:39:51am

Meanwhile, the efforts to eliminate CW from the Syria hit a snag as no third party is willing to accept the weapons for dismantling and destruction. It had been hoped that Albania would accept the weapons, but they’ve refused.

It may be done at sea, but that poses issues considering that the weaponized form has far more dangerous chemicals that must be disposed of than the precursor chemicals that the weapons inspectors have destroyed in place to date.

There’s some 500 tons of CW that need to be disposed - not the precursor materials, but the chemical weapons themselves that have been fashioned by the Assad regime.

Shipping them to facilities elsewhere in the world is a dangerous undertaking - moving them by plane carries significant hazards, but so too does transporting them by ship. This issue will have to be undertaken soon.

Here’s a possible way around this: Israel ratifies the CWC (they’ve signed it, but the Knesset hasn’t ratified), and does so by including taking in the Syrian CW for destruction. It would solve a problem with safe transport, and it would show Israel’s goodwill and acceptance of the CWC.

70 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:41:28am

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

Hilarious. Maybe it should be updated with a Wall Street Investment Bank?

You have two cows, their milk gets divided into derivatives and everyone drinks watered-down milk until the cows die for lack of food.

or something.

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:44:42am

re: #70 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Hilarious. Maybe it should be updated with a Wall Street Investment Bank?

You have two cows, they’re milk gets divided into derivatives and everyone drinks watered-down milk until the cows die for lack of food.

or something.

Good one.

I was also thinking that “traditional Capitalism” needs to mention how the unregulated cow poop from that many cows pollutes the water supply and kills all the cows in the end.

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:47:15am

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

One of the cows has no health insurance due to a pre-existing condition. It goes untreated, infects the other cow and they both die.

73 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:48:44am

TWO DERPSHITS BRAG ABOUT THEIR MOMENT OF DERP

74 darthstar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:48:47am

re: #68 Learned Pie Of Zion

“Mona” may be a GG sockpuppet. “Mona” is also into Holocaust denial.

Apparently she’s someone who used to work with him.

75 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:49:30am

re: #74 darthstar

Apparently she’s someone who used to work with him.

Whatevs, it’s a real piece of work, this “Mona”

76 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:50:49am

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

This is a bit smartassed but close to the truth:

That’s pretty funny.

77 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:51:17am

re: #6 Ed E. Lishus

The vocals remind me a bit of the (beginning of) “O Superman” by Laurie Anderson.

Yeah, I have no idea what technique was actually used but to me it sounds more like a vocoder than auto-tune.

78 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:51:20am

WHY CAN’T THEY ALL JUST GO GALT?

79 Flounder  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:52:20am

What kind of tree grows in your hand?

A Palm tree!

80 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:52:24am

re: #52 b.d.

John Cornyn continues to f*ck that chicken.

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I love the implication that the agreement with Iran was just something that Obama did at the last minute to divert the news away from the Obamacare website’s problems. You know, because brokering a deal with the mullahs is just something that you do over the weekend.

And this dipshit is one of my Senators. WTF.

81 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:53:45am

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

The udderly good thing about that one is that it leaves no one’s ox ungored.

82 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:55:11am

Right on cue, here’s my other dipshit Senator:

83 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 6:59:30am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Dude! This goes way beyond using auto-tune to hide pitch problems. Listen to it again - she’s not hiding anything, she’s using the technology to form some very sophisticated chords and harmonic passages.

Oh well, everybody doesn’t like what I like, I guess. (But I think this is one of the most impressive solo vocal pieces ever recorded.)

I agree with you. While autotune gets slammed (and deservedly so) 99% of the time, this is one of the exceptions to the rule. And it is beautifully complex and fragile. Would that the technology7 were used more in an innovative manner like this - this is what it was invented for.

85 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:08:40am

Forbes GOPsplains why healthcare subsidies IS JUST LIKE FOOD STAMPS!!!!!111!!!!1TY FOR TEH LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!!111!!!!

86 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:08:57am

Black Widows Found On Grapes At Supermarkets In Several States

A Pennsylvania woman got quite the shock Thursday when she was washing some red grapes and felt her fingers brush up against something slimy. Yvonne Whalen saw a long spider leg creep over the top of one of the pieces of fruit and immediately dropped the colander into the sink.

A spider expert later confirmed what Whalen’s initial Internet search revealed — it was a young black widow crawling on the grapes.

The appetite-ruining find follows several similar instances of the deadly spiders found on grapes at supermarkets in Michigan, Missouri, Minnesota and Wisconsin, Food Safety News reports.

Yvonne Duckhorn was inspecting a container of red grapes at an Aldi supermarket in Wauwatosa, Wis., earlier this month, when she spotted something peculiar.

“I saw the legs moving frantically,” Duckhorn recalled to the Milwaukee-Wisconsin Journal Sentinel. “I’ve seen bugs on fruit before, and I thought, ‘That is a very big spider.’ Nothing I’d ever seen before.”

87 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:10:38am

re: #85 Learned Pie Of Zion

Forbes GOPsplains why healthcare subsidies IS JUST LIKE FOOD STAMPS!!!!!111!!!!1TY FOR TEH LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!!111!!!!

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Srsly they actually are saying this:

First, it encourages people to work less. Since the plan only offers tax credits below a certain income level, Americans will face a strong disincentive to stop working once they reach the income level where their subsidies are cut off.

In fact, benefits experts are already advising their self-employed clients to work fewer hours in order to take advantage of the law’s subsidies. That’s especially true in high wage areas, since Obamacare’s subsidies are not adjusted for differences in the cost of living among states.

In effect, Obamacare levies a massive increase in marginal tax rates on middle- and upper-income workers. That tax hike will act as a drag on the economy.

I just can’t even.

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:12:07am

re: #85 Learned Pie Of Zion

Forbes GOPsplains why healthcare subsidies IS JUST LIKE FOOD STAMPS!!!!!111!!!!1TY FOR TEH LAZY MOOCHERS!!!!!111!!!!

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Neither Forbes nor the Pacific Research Institute is part of the Republican Party.

Though Wile E. Coyote likely couldn’t use Obamacare, since any carrier would drop him after a year due to the number of cliff dives he takes.

89 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:12:43am

slate.com

OFFS.

Thanksgiving is falling on Hannukah for the first and only time in American history (the last time Hannukah was this early in the secular calendar, Thanksgiving didn’t actually exist).

The next time it’s supposed to happen? Thousands of years from now.

And we’re to think that this combined holiday is going to lead to bad things? Really? It’s a once in a lifetime type event. If someone wants to try and combine food traditions of both holidays, go for it. It’s just one time.

This person also seems to have issues with trying to explain different holiday traditions of different faiths to her kids because she’s Jewish and her husband isn’t. Get over it. Explaining these differences is part of your job description and teaching your kids (or anyone else at the table, for that matter).

90 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:13:40am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

The udderly good thing about that one is that it leaves no one’s ox ungored.

A line like that one is just axing for it. Who’s the next one who wants to milk this thread?

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:15:57am

re: #87 Learned Pie Of Zion

Srsly they actually are saying this:

I just can’t even.

I’m going to ask you “How is the author of the piece wrong?”

92 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:16:13am

re: #89 lawhawk

slate.com

OFFS.

Thanksgiving is falling on Hannukah for the first and only time in American history (the last time Hannukah was this early in the secular calendar, Thanksgiving didn’t actually exist).

The next time it’s supposed to happen? Thousands of years from now.

And we’re to think that this combined holiday is going to lead to bad things? Really? It’s a once in a lifetime type event. If someone wants to try and combine food traditions of both holidays, go for it. It’s just one time.

This person also seems to have issues with trying to explain different holiday traditions of different faiths to her kids because she’s Jewish and her husband isn’t. Get over it. Explaining these differences is part of your job description and teaching your kids (or anyone else at the table, for that matter).

WTFITS.

It’s not like the Turkey processing industry and Teh Zionist Elders got together and said HEY LET’S MAKE HANUKKAH & THANKSGIVING HAPPEN TOGETHER THIS YEAR SO WE CAN MAKE MOAR MONEYS!!!!

I do not understand why Alison is freaking out about this. She needs to calm the fuck down.

93 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:17:06am

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to ask you “How is the author of the piece wrong?”

HURR HURR GIVING PEOPLE HEALTHCARE SUBSIDIES WILL MAKE THEM NOT WANT TO WORK!!!111!!!! JUST LIKE FOOD STAMPS!!!!11!!!!

94 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:17:55am

re: #83 makeitstop

There are some artists who use the tech to push new boundaries of music; others use it as a crutch for a lack of talent.

Dave Grohl of Foo Fighters recently did a documentary of Sound City (highly recommended if you’re a music history buff), and purchased the soundboard of the studio after it closed, because he wanted it. He also got together a bunch of different artists to jam and record songs using the classic board.

That included Trent Reznor of NIN, who’s known for his tech (both on tour and in the studio), and Reznor commented that the ability to do music organically allows for experimentation and serendipity to get to a classic sound. Thought that was right on the mark.

They also lament that technology has let people with no talent achieve fame and fortune - specifically pointing out the auto-tune miasma.

95 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:18:34am

re: #89 lawhawk

There was a good piece on NPR about it the other day… let’s see…
here it is: npr.org

96 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:19:11am

re: #24 Learned Pie Of Zion

Yet another winger who feels that he knows what’s best for American Jews. It’s really not all that different from the bullshit about African-Americans being brainwashed into voting for the “plantation” by voting Dem.

One of the creepiest wingnut comments on American Jews and Israel I ever saw was along similar lines and said “I don’t understand why American Jews so hate their country [Israel].” Uh……most of the Jewish people I know were born in the US, have lived their whole lives in the US, and consider the US “their country”. That quote went a long way towards telling me that the right still considers Jews to be an alien presence in the US.

97 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:19:34am

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

I’m going to ask you “How is the author of the piece wrong?”

Because very few people are going to leave their jobs for one that pays less just so they can get health insurance.

98 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:20:21am

re: #93 Learned Pie Of Zion

HURR HURR GIVING PEOPLE HEALTHCARE SUBSIDIES WILL MAKE THEM NOT WANT TO WORK!!!111!!!! JUST LIKE FOOD STAMPS!!!!11!!!!

No, it’s “Subsidies can cause people to restrict their earnings in order to obtain them.”

And the article says nothing about food stamps.

99 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:21:03am

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s “Subsidies can cause people to restrict their earnings in order to obtain them.”

And the article says nothing about food stamps.

It’s the same reasoning.

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:21:21am

re: #96 Ian G.

One of the creepiest wingnut comments on American Jews and Israel I ever saw was along similar lines and said “I don’t understand why American Jews so hate their country [Israel].” Uh……most of the Jewish people I know were born in the US, have lived their whole lives in the US, and consider the US “their country”. That quote went a long way towards telling me that the right still considers Jews to be an alien presence in the US.

As I mentioned earlier, Israel is a political entity, Judaism is a religion. There are a lot of people who do not understand that distinction.

101 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:21:27am

re: #97 Lidane

Because very few people are going to leave their jobs for one that pays less just so they can get health insurance.

That passage was referring to self-employed people, though.

102 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:21:59am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

That passage was referring to self-employed people, though.

That makes even less sense.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:22:30am

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s “Subsidies can cause people to restrict their earnings in order to obtain them.”

And the article says nothing about food stamps.

At the same time, it encourages employers to cut employee hours to escape having to pay their insurance. A win-win situation all around eh?

104 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:23:37am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

That passage was referring to self-employed people, though.

It’s the same stupidity though. If you’re earning enough as a self-employed worker, WHY would you cut your own personal income down to the point where you qualify for subsidies?

105 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:23:58am
106 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:25:27am

WTFITS, I can’t even…

107 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:25:31am

re: #95 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I had seen that.

There’s so many ways to combine food traditions in a tasty manner.

I experimented making sweet potato latkes last week. Had issues with keeping them from falling apart, but they were damned tasty. Heck, they were awesome without any condiments, but went in a different direction with a bit of sriracha on top (okay, a bit more than a bit, but still). Sweet, savory, hot, and spicy. Crisp, chewy, and would make a great side to a roast turkey.

Desserts work the same way - jelly donuts would be a great end to the meal, or say a cinnamon/nutmeg honey cake. The Mrs. does sugar cookies, and is doing chocolate gelt too - flavor them with raspberry or orange for a twist.

There are lots of flavors to play with, and playing outside the box is a great way to come up with new food traditions (or just meal ideas for the rest of the year).

108 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:28:18am

ZOMG TYRANNY:

109 Mike Lamb  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:29:14am

re: #87 Learned Pie Of Zion

I’d love to meet the person who wants to stay at poverty-level wages. They’ll be on a rainbow unicorn. I’ve wanted to see one of those for a long time.

110 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:30:04am

Worst. Marxofascist. EVAR.

111 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:30:57am

re: #104 Lidane

It’s the same stupidity though. If you’re earning enough as a self-employed worker, WHY would you cut your own personal income down to the point where you qualify for subsidies?

You wouldn’t if you’re already well over the cap, but if you’re close to the cap it could become a consideration. The basic concern about a dramatic fall-off in a subsidy is that if a $1000 rise in income is going to result in insurance costing $5000 more, then people are not going to try to higher incomes if they think they’re liable to get caught in that gap. It must be said, though, that it would likely be possible to escape such a trap by giving the excess money to charity.

The later argument in the article that Obamacare has a “marriage penalty” merits review. If the subsidy regime does indeed contain that kind of problem, then it should be amended to correct said problem.

112 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:31:36am

re: #106 Learned Pie Of Zion

Wow, that’s tasteful. I have a hard time believing that this organization is even Jewish given the flippant use of Holocaust imagery, and then I remember there are loons like David Horowitz and Pam Gellar out there….

113 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:31:41am

re: #109 Mike Lamb

I’d love to meet the person who wants to stay at poverty-level wages. They’ll be on a rainbow unicorn. I’ve wanted to see one of those for a long time.

EXACTLY THIS! Poverty sucks, and it’s hard to wrap my head around people who think others are just jumping at the chance to lower their wages for the chance at subsidies.

114 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:34:16am

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

You wouldn’t if you’re already well over the cap, but if you’re close to the cap it could become a consideration.

Bulllshit. Very few self-employed people are going to decide to lower their paycheck on purpose just to get health care. It’s a stupid argument.

115 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:36:12am

re: #109 Mike Lamb

I’d love to meet the person who wants to stay at poverty-level wages. They’ll be on a rainbow unicorn. I’ve wanted to see one of those for a long time.

It seems to be an article of faith among wingers that everyone on this planet would gladly stop working in order to barely get by in poverty and that’s why we need to end welfare. I think it says a lot more about the work ethic of the person making the claim than it does about programs to help the poor.

My wingnut uncle rants about welfare queens on the dole often enough. I usually ask him why he didn’t go that route if it’s so wonderful: live in a cramped project apartment in East New York surrounded by drug gangs, with his kids attending failing schools. He never has a straight answer for me.

116 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:37:50am

re: #113 Rev_Arthur_Belling

EXACTLY THIS! Poverty sucks, and it’s hard to wrap my head around people who think others are just jumping at the chance to lower their wages for the chance at subsidies.

re: #109 Mike Lamb

I’d love to meet the person who wants to stay at poverty-level wages. They’ll be on a rainbow unicorn. I’ve wanted to see one of those for a long time.

It’s a popular wingnut meme that FOOD STAMPZ!!!!1!! and WELFARES!!!!11!!! and now TEH HEALTHCARE SUBSIDIES!!!11!!1!!1 are so appealing that TEH LAZY MOOCHERS WILL NEVER GET OFF THEIR BEHINDS TO GET A REAL JRRB!!!!11!!!!!

When you point out that many of these “lazy moochers” are not sitting around all unemployed all day, but working for poverty wages at Walmart and McDonalds, the answer is HURR HURR IF THEY BETTER THEMSELVES WITH MOAR EDUCATIONS THEY CAN GET A BETTER JRRB, JUST LIKE ME I WORKED 6 JRRBS UPHILL 10 MILES IN TEH SNOW BOTH WAYZ & I SERVED IN TEH MARINES AND TEH NAVY SEALZ & TEH DELTA FORCE WITH NOTHING BUT MY GUMPTION & MY CAN-DO ATTITUDE & MY WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE & I JUST PAID CASH ON THE BARREL HEAD FOR A BRAND NEW MERCEDES!!!!!!11!!!!!!1

117 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:39:08am

Move to Angola, Bryan. Hell, I’d chip in for your one way ticket.

118 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:40:07am
119 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:40:59am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

Move to Angola, Bryan. Hell, I’d chip in for your one way ticket.

Can we also send Rand Paul and the rest of the glibertarian dudebros to Somalia while we’re at it? I’ll take up a collection.

120 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:41:43am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

Oh please Bryan; try to dismantle a mosque. I fucking dare you.

121 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:41:54am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

Move to Angola, Bryan. Hell, I’d chip in for your one way ticket.

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Dear Bryan, most things can be banned for a little while

122 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:45:43am

Ah. Now I see it, since a wingnut friend of mine just posted it on FB. The derp that Obamacare discourages both work and marriage comes from Heritage.

This is my shocked face.

123 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:45:57am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

Move to Angola, Bryan. Hell, I’d chip in for your one way ticket.

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124 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:48:07am

re: #89 lawhawk

slate.com

OFFS.

Thanksgiving is falling on Hannukah for the first and only time in American history (the last time Hannukah was this early in the secular calendar, Thanksgiving didn’t actually exist).

The next time it’s supposed to happen? Thousands of years from now.

And we’re to think that this combined holiday is going to lead to bad things? Really? It’s a once in a lifetime type event. If someone wants to try and combine food traditions of both holidays, go for it. It’s just one time.

This person also seems to have issues with trying to explain different holiday traditions of different faiths to her kids because she’s Jewish and her husband isn’t. Get over it. Explaining these differences is part of your job description and teaching your kids (or anyone else at the table, for that matter).

I actually went and READ THE WHOLE THING.

I just can’t even.

WTF is wrong with this person? She needs anger management therapy or something.

125 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:48:53am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

lol. Bryan needs Christianity to be banned more than anything.

How is he supposed to achieve martyrdom if he isn’t oppressed 24/7/365?

126 chadu  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:50:14am

re: #109 Mike Lamb

I’d love to meet the person who wants to stay at poverty-level wages. They’ll be on a rainbow unicorn. I’ve wanted to see one of those for a long time.

Lady Rainicorn

You’re welcome.

127 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:50:52am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

The fail is especially strong with this one.

For one, the Angolan government seems to have no problem shooting and imprisoning unarmed protesters.

Second, the government of Angola is, and has been since independence, run by the MPLA, a Marxist party. Bryan might be dimly aware that Cuba sent troops to support the MPLA during the 1980s civil war, while Reagan supported the opposition UNITA.

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:51:46am

Now, here’s a ‘knockout game’ story that’s real:

Marvell Weaver, Teen Playing ‘Knockout’ With Stun Gun, Shot Twice By Victim

A Michigan teenager who assaulted a man with a stun gun was shot twice when the victim defended himself with a legally concealed pistol.

In May, Marvell Weaver, 17, was playing a variation of “knockout,” a brutal and senseless game in which an assailant sucker punches an unsuspecting person with the intention of knocking him unconscious with one blow. The difference was that Weaver decided to attack his victim with a stun gun.

But Weaver, who said he’d played the game about six or seven other times, didn’t anticipate what would happen next. The intended victim, a 28-year-old father who was waiting for his 6-year-old daughter to get dropped off from school at a bus stop, had a gun on him.

SNIP

According to Michigan Live, Weaver told the man who had just shot him, “I’m sorry, please don’t kill me. I don’t know why I did that. I’m high, you know. I just wanna go home.”

Weaver survived the shooting and was sentenced to a year in jail for the attack. He now regrets playing “knockout” and admits he got off easy for it.

Weaver is lucky he only got shot in the butt. I really do hope he’s learned his lesson.

129 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:51:53am

re: #124 Learned Pie Of Zion

I actually went and READ THE WHOLE THING.

I just can’t even.

WTF is wrong with this person? She needs anger management therapy or something.

Proof that people nowadays can, and will, get pissed about just about anything.

130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:53:36am

re: #127 Ian G.

The fail is especially strong with this one.

For one, the Angolan government seems to have no problem shooting and imprisoning unarmed protesters.

Second, the government of Angola is, and has been since independence, run by the MPLA, a Marxist party. Bryan might be dimly aware that Cuba sent troops to support the MPLA during the 1980s civil war, while Reagan supported the opposition UNITA.

Bryan Fischer only knows about REAGAN!!1 The actions taken by the real Ronald Reagan to fight Soviet Communism were too complex for Fischer’s hard-wired brain to comprehend.

131 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:57:08am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

Move to Angola, Bryan. Hell, I’d chip in for your one way ticket.

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re: #119 Lidane

Can we also send Rand Paul and the rest of the glibertarian dudebros to Somalia while we’re at it? I’ll take up a collection.

I think we’d be exporting terror. 1/2 sarc.

132 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:58:01am

re: #124 Learned Pie Of Zion

I actually went and READ THE WHOLE THING.

I just can’t even.

WTF is wrong with this person? She needs anger management therapy or something.

Seriously. What’s so bad about Thanksgiving and Hanukkah happening at the same time? That’s just an opportunity for cultural blending and more food options.

Seems like a win-win to me.

133 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:58:13am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

I’m not on twitter, so can someone tweet some facts about Angola’s government at Bryan? The fuckwit might have a twinge of embarrassment when he realizes he endorsed a Marxist government’s suppression of religious liberty.

Then again, probably not.

134 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:58:24am
135 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:58:57am

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

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Some background: Angola is 95% Christian, mostly Catholic and evangelical. Islam…there’s maybe a few hundred thousand Muslims in a nation of 14-16 millions. The former are mostly immigrants from West Africa. You don’t get very far in looking for stuff on the Islam ban before you hit the bad crazy of Gellar-like proportions, intermingled with Christian nationalist sentiments.

The reasoning being given for the ban is a fear of Wahhabism, but there’s a lot of textured stuff going on. Muslims are associated with illegal immigration, there’s unverified reports of “Muslims mobs” attacking Christians, There’s also the question of whether this ban fits into a larger picture of Angola as a nation in an ongoing internal conflict…I don’t know the situation well enough to speculate intelligently, but the nation has just had a shakeup to its political process, so power is even more concentrated with one party.

No-one’s going to ban Christianity…and that’s exactly why Fischer is excited.

136 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 7:59:55am

re: #132 Lidane

Seriously. What’s so bad about Thanksgiving and Hanukkah happening at the same time? That’s just an opportunity for cultural blending and more food options.

Seems like a win-win to me.

Like srsly. My family is all excited about this great fun time and this crabby killjoy is like all BAH HUMBUG.

137 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:01:35am

re: #122 Lidane

I guess Heritage dusted off the old welfare bashing talking points for the ACA.

138 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:03:03am

re: #117 Learned Pie Of Zion

I wonder if Angola has a constitution like America’s which recognizes the Freedom of Religion, including non-Christian religions? What’s that? It doesn’t? Oh. Sorry, Bryan. //

139 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:03:56am

re: #132 Lidane

more food options.

Works for me.

140 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:04:05am

re: #136 Learned Pie Of Zion

Contrarian being contrary. But it’s more than that. This person seems to have real issues with her faith, explaining it to her family/kids, and doesn’t get that it’s a holiday that’s meant to be fun and about eating.

Heck, with her crabbiness, I’m not surprised that she’s ranting about how everything this time of year is infused with “pumpkin flavorings” even though it’s really just dumping a bunch of cinnamon, nutmeg, and related spices/herbs into anything that is consumable, whether it needs it or not.

141 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:04:36am

re: #137 Bulworth

I guess Heritage dusted off the old welfare bashing talking points for the ACA.

Pretty much. Between the “Obummercare will encourage people to cut their own paychecks!” fail and the “Married people will divorce so they qualify for benefits!” idiocy, there’s no difference between the ACA derp and the welfare derp.

142 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:06:05am

re: #135 The Ghost of a Flea

Some background: Angola is 95% Christian, mostly Catholic and evangelical. Islam…there’s maybe a few hundred thousand Muslims in a nation of 14-16 millions. The former are mostly immigrants from West Africa. You don’t get very far in looking for stuff on the Islam ban before you hit the bad crazy of Gellar-like proportions, intermingled with Christian nationalist sentiments.

The reasoning being given for the ban is a fear of Wahhabism, but there’s a lot of textured stuff going on. Muslims are associated with illegal immigration, there’s unverified reports of “Muslims mobs” attacking Christians, There’s also the question of whether this ban fits into a larger picture of Angola as a nation in an ongoing internal conflict…I don’t know the situation well enough to speculate intelligently, but the nation has just had a shakeup to its political process, so power is even more concentrated with one party.

No-one’s going to ban Christianity…and that’s exactly why Fischer is excited.

Not that would, but they could. And an overweening government wouldn’t have to ban Christianity to make life miserable for believing Christians who disagree with it, or who land it decided to take to give to some Chinese mining company.

Twitter does not allow for such distinctions, though. My post was right near its limit as it was.

143 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:06:28am

I’m self employed.
Thoughts on cutting my pay?
Lolno.

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:08:24am

re: #138 Bulworth

I wonder if Angola has a constitution like America’s which recognizes the Freedom of Religion, including non-Christian religions? What’s that? It doesn’t? Oh. Sorry, Bryan. //

Angola does pretty well on evaluations of freedoms w/r/t religion…though, as others have noted, there’s a new party in power so that may change.

I doubt Fischer’s aware of the ideological orientation of the MPLA…in his head, all that matters is religious discrimination against Islam. Doubtless he’ll see an opportunity to make a properly Christian nation of Angola, with even more religious discrimination built into governance.

145 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:09:26am

re: #136 Learned Pie Of Zion

Like srsly. My family is all excited about this great fun time and this crabby killjoy is like all BAH HUMBUG.

Killjoy is right. I’m not Jewish, but I would think that a secular holiday that is supposed to be about gratitude would easily incorporate into Hanukkah. Plus, more food, which is always awesome.

146 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:09:27am
147 Mattand  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:09:47am

OT rant:

I just do not know how people can work IT jobs.

“Wow, you know a lot about computers. Can youu fix mine? Why doesn’t it work?”

“Do this to fix it, and here’s why it didn’t work.”

“I don’t want to do the thing you told me to do, fuck you, you don’t know anything.”

Jesus God, if you’re not going to listen to me, go make someone else miserable.

148 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:10:19am

re: #146 Learned Pie Of Zion

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Whut.

149 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:10:49am

re: #147 Mattand

OT rant:

I just do not know how people can work IT jobs.

“Wow, you know a lot about computers. Can youu fix mine? Why doesn’t it work?”

“Do this to fix it, and here’s why it didn’t work.”

“I don’t want to do the thing you told me to do, fuck you, you don’t know anything.”

Jesus God, if you’re not going to listen to me, go make someone else miserable.

Ain’t it grand????

150 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:10:52am

Dear Crabby Killjoy who wrote the Slate article:

WHAT PART OF FUN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

Sincerely,

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

151 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:11:46am

Bryan Fischer is objectively pro-Marxist.

152 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:12:48am

re: #150 Learned Pie Of Zion

Dear Crabby Killjoy who wrote the Slate article:

WHAT PART OF >FUN DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

Sincerely,

Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

Fun is unconstitutional.

153 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:14:40am

re: #151 Internet Tough Guy

Bryan Fischer is objectively pro-Marxist.

Tweet that, and add a #tcot tag, or even better an #LNYHBT tag. Then sit back and watch the frenzy.

154 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:15:46am
155 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:17:33am

Teh GOP run VA BOE didn’t steal teh elecshun!!

156 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:18:06am
157 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:19:52am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Not that would, but they could. And an overweening government wouldn’t have to ban Christianity to make life miserable for believing Christians who disagree with it, or who land it decided to take to give to some Chinese mining company.

Twitter does not allow for such distinctions, though. My post was right near its limit as it was.

Fischer is an unapologetic follower of tribal morality; banning Christianity would be a terrible injustice…but it would be an injustice that would make a perfect excuse to social-engineer a society where Christians were the ones doing the punching downward. He’s the embodiment of my repeated refrain about the basis of the current brand of American “evangelical” social conservatism being about the future opportunity to mete out retaliation…both on a personal and metaphysical level.

I mean, that’s everything Fischer stands for…Real True Christians with the power, striking at everyone that’s not Of The Tribe. It’s literally fascism (in the Eco sense)…a tiered society where inequality is built into the basic morality—where some can do no wrong.

158 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:22:22am

You ever notice that apologetics folks are unapologetic? Why is that?

159 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:22:37am

How can anybody NOT LIKE Thanksgiving & Hanukkah together?

What’s not to like?

160 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:23:29am

re: #157 The Ghost of a Flea

Fischer is an unapologetic follower of tribal morality; banning Christianity would be a terrible injustice…but it would be an injustice that would make a perfect excuse to social-engineer a society where Christians were the ones doing the punching downward. He’s the embodiment of my repeated refrain about the basis of modern conservatism being about the future opportunity to mete out retaliation…both on a personal and metaphysical level.

I mean, that’s everything Fischer stands for…Real True Christians with the power, striking at everyone that’s not Of The Tribe. It’s literally fascism (in the Eco sense)…a tiered society where inequality is built into the basic morality—where some can do no wrong.

I don’t agree with your characterization of conservatism, but I do think you understand Bryan Fischer very well.

161 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:23:35am

re: #159 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

Especially pumpkin pies.

162 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:24:57am

God this guy is a douche:

163 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:25:14am

re: #155 Gus

Teh GOP run VA BOE didn’t steal teh elecshun!!

So, what was the purpose of that after the fact rule change in Fairfax County that only affected Fairfax?

164 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:25:28am

re: #153 Dark_Falcon
Feel free to steal; I avoid the twitterz.

165 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:26:41am

re: #159 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

How can anybody NOT LIKE Thanksgiving & Hanukkah together?

What’s not to like?

Well, there are people who just plain don’t like the holiday season, and then there are the the egotistical types who feel that “If something makes me feel bad or awkward then its EVIL!!1” Then lastly there are atheists who don’t like religious holidays, including Hanukkah.

166 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:27:34am

re: #163 Varek Raith

So, what was the purpose of that after the fact rule change in Fairfax County that only affected Fairfax?

One Democrat brought up concerns about the results. I think the GOP itself tried making that rule change and the board turned them down. I believe there are two Republicans and one Democrat on that board. Not all provisional ballots were accepted but in the end Herring won by a slim margin. Would have been slim even with the unaccepted ballots.

167 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:28:05am

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree with your characterization of conservatism, but I do think you understand Bryan Fischer very well.

My bad, that should say current brand of American “evangelical” social conservatism.

I’m going to correct it.

168 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:28:09am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Well, there are people who just plain don’t like the holiday season, and then there are the the egotistical types who feel that “If something makes me feel bad or awkward then its EVIL!!1” Then lastly there are atheists who don’t like religious holidays, including Hanukkah.

If they don’t like them, they are free to not observe.

I don’t observe Christmas but I don’t get all butthurt because other people enjoy it.

169 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:29:10am

I haz no turkey day here. Take note stalkers! Maybe blog about it. :P

170 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:30:06am

It seems the Senate may not go along with the Iran deal:

171 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:30:09am

Eh, screw it. I hereby declare this Thanksgiving week.

172 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:30:25am

That said, I can understand that there is a “Seasonal Affective Disorder” that can afflict some people, because of unrealistic expectations, dysfunctional family gatherings, and also the burden of holiday preparations can be oppressive.

173 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:31:48am

re: #171 Gus

Eh, screw it. I hereby declare this Thanksgiving week.

I dunno, too much food…

174 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:32:11am

*headdesk*

175 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:33:07am

And…. again…

News reports are still coming in, but it appears someone phoned in that they spotted a man with a gun on campus from a phone booth (wait, what?!).

176 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:33:24am

re: #173 Varek Raith

I dunno, too much food…

Feel free to celebrate Gus’s Thanksgiving Holiday Week as you desire. //

177 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:33:31am

re: #168 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

If they don’t like them, they are free to not observe.

I don’t observe Christmas but I don’t get all butthurt because other people enjoy it.

Hey, I’m not one of those kill-joys. I dislike ‘em as much as you do.

178 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:34:06am

re: #176 Gus

Feel free to celebrate Gus’s Thanksgiving Holiday Week as you desire. //

You doing better?

179 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:34:34am

re: #167 The Ghost of a Flea

My bad, that should say current brand of American “evangelical” social conservatism.

I’m going to correct it.

Thank you.

180 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:35:18am

re: #178 Varek Raith

You doing better?

Meh. Still drinking coffee. I’ll get tired again soon after. Nothing new to report as they say.

181 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:36:29am

I plan to enhance my daughter-in-law’s enjoyment of Thanksgivukkah by baby sitting while she goes to the mall on Black Friday.

182 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:37:00am

re: #181 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

I plan to enhance my daughter-in-law’s enjoyment of Thanksgivukkah by baby sitting while she goes to the mall on Black Friday.

Can you mail me some food????
KTHX.

183 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:38:02am

re: #176 Gus

Feel free to celebrate Gus’s Thanksgiving Holiday Week as you desire. //

Finally an excuse for me to take off that my boss hasn’t heard before! Thank you Gus!

184 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:38:10am

WHY DIDN’T OBAMA MENTION GOD IN HIS THANKSGIVING MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!???????????

You know that’s coming.

185 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:38:21am

re: #147 Mattand

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186 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:38:55am

re: #183 b.d.

Finally an excuse for me to take off that my boss hasn’t heard before! Thank you Gus!

You’re welcome. Here, have a million dollars. :D

187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:39:04am

re: #175 lawhawk

There are still phone booths?

188 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:41:21am

re: #187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There are still phone booths?

Used solely for urination.

189 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:42:24am

re: #181 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

Thanksgivukkah

I love the sound of this awesome new holiday.

190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:43:27am

re: #188 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Still doesn’t make much sense. I mean, that’s what elevators are for.

191 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:43:45am

re: #189 Bulworth

I love the sound of this awesome new holiday.

There won’t be another one for thousands of years, so enjoy it while you can!

192 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:44:34am

re: #190 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Still doesn’t make much sense. I mean, that’s what elevators are for.

That isn’t funny, The building I live in has a problem with people’s dogs pissing in the elevator.

193 EmmaAnne  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:44:51am

re: #175 lawhawk

And…. again…

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News reports are still coming in, but it appears someone phoned in that they spotted a man with a gun on campus from a phone booth (wait, what?!).

Campuses have phones all over campus that call directly to campus security. Security knows exactly where the call is coming from, and there is no need to remember or dial a number. At my daughter’s campus, there are video cameras at each phone so security can see what’s going on.

194 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:45:06am

re: #187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I know! Odd that this is called in from a phone booth.

I’m checking Google maps street view in the vicinity of the claimed call, and have yet to find a phone booth. There’s bus enclosures there, but not a phone booth.

Note too that the claimed call is from across town - it’s not near the campus at all.

I’m hoping this is some kind of prank, and not the real deal.

195 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:46:52am

re: #193 EmmaAnne

nhregister.com

According to an alert message sent out by the university at 10:17 a.m., New Haven Police received an anonymous call from a phone booth in the 300 block of Columbus Avenue (between Howard Avenue and Hallock Street) reporting a person on the Yale Campus with a gun.

That location isn’t near/on campus.

196 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:47:36am

re: #193 EmmaAnne

yeah, I would think one of those campus security phones, which are usually located on a post with a blue light atop it, not a booth per se.

197 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:47:57am

re: #189 Bulworth

I love the sound of this awesome new holiday.

Will there be fireworks?

198 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:49:01am

re: #197 Gus

Will there be fireworks?

There will be adult beverages.

199 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:49:38am

re: #197 Gus

No, but there will be an airing of grievances. Feats of strength are optional.

200 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:50:02am

Dear Santa Claus. For Christmas I want $350,000,000, a Gulfstream with flight crew, and a 250 foot yacht, with crew. KTHXBI

201 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:50:29am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t funny, The building I live in has a problem with people’s dogs pissing in the elevator.

There’s an parking garage I use semi-frequently whose elevators are permanently piss-scented and have been for as long as I can remember. The best part is that there’s a public restroom on every floor, right next to the elevator shaft.

202 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:50:53am

I’ll build my own holiday!
Youtube Video

203 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:50:57am

re: #186 Gus

You’re welcome. Here, have a million dollars. :D

Awesome, just put it on the pile.

204 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:51:02am

re: #200 Gus

Dear Santa Claus. For Christmas I want $350,000,000, a Gulfstream with flight crew, and a 250 foot yacht, with crew. KTHXBI

Dear Gus

How bout a used ipod instead!

205 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:51:25am

re: #204 sattv4u2

Dear Gus

How bout a used ipod instead!

OK. Sounds good.

206 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:51:35am

re: #201 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There’s an parking garage I use semi-frequently whose elevators are permanently piss-scented and have been for as long as I can remember. The best part is that there’s a public restroom on every floor, right next to the elevator shaft.

Dogs usually aren’t trained to use urinals

207 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:51:38am

re: #159 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

How can anybody NOT LIKE Thanksgiving & Hanukkah together?

What’s not to like?

My Google calendar is set up to show Islamic & Jewish holidays in addition to the regular secular & Christian ones. At the beginning of November when I saw Chanukkah starting on the same day as Thanksgiving, my first reaction was surprise at how unusual it as that Chanukkah was so early (I even went elsewhere to check and make sure it wasn’t a mistake). My second reaction was, “Cool!”

It reminds me of when Thanksgiving falls during Ramadan—I believe the last time was in 2002—it was great fun, a feeling of being extra thankful. For us they coincide around every 30 years (the next one isn’t till 2033), so even if I didn’t like it, it’s not something that happens frequently enough to whine about, FFS

208 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:51:44am

re: #195 lawhawk

Hopefully it’s just some moron who forgot he had a test today.

209 Mike Lamb  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:52:02am

re: #115 Ian G.

It seems to be an article of faith among wingers that everyone on this planet would gladly stop working in order to barely get by in poverty and that’s why we need to end welfare. I think it says a lot more about the work ethic of the person making the claim than it does about programs to help the poor.

My wingnut uncle rants about welfare queens on the dole often enough. I usually ask him why he didn’t go that route if it’s so wonderful: live in a cramped project apartment in East New York surrounded by drug gangs, with his kids attending failing schools. He never has a straight answer for me.

It’s a variation on their equally idiotic talking point that someone would stop working if they were about to hit the new, slightly higher income tax bracket. Anyone that would stop earning money because of a new 3% (or whatever) increase in their marginal rate is dumber than a box of hammers.

210 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:53:36am

It’s just 350 million. I’m not greedy. //

211 sattv4u2  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:56:04am

re: #210 Gus

It’s just 350 million. I’m not greedy. //

Maybe there’s still some stimulus monies available,,,,
OR
Do you have a clunker you can cash in!?!?!

212 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:56:10am

herp derp.

213 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:56:31am

re: #210 Gus

It’s just 350 million. I’m not greedy. //

Ya know, with $350 Mil you could buy your own Gulstream and yacht. Just sayin…..

214 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:56:52am

re: #209 Mike Lamb

It’s a variation on their equally idiotic talking point that someone would stop working if they were about to hit the new, slightly higher income tax bracket. Anyone that would stop earning money because of a new 3% (or whatever) increase in their marginal rate is dumber than a box of hammers.

That’s an insult to the box of hammers. At least a box of hammers has a practical use.

Heh.

215 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #172 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

That would be me. My family takes ALL the fun out of dysfunctional, I mean they aren’t even quirky, they’re mostly just assholes. I do my very best to not drag other people’s holidays down, but it’s really hard for me to see all the happyhappylookathowHAPPYwearedamnit pictures all over the place and the showing off of gifts and all that stuff. I would love to just skip over everything from Nov 1 til about mid January.

216 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:57:45am

re: #209 Mike Lamb

It’s a variation on their equally idiotic talking point that someone would stop working if they were about to hit the new, slightly higher income tax bracket. Anyone that would stop earning money because of a new 3% (or whatever) increase in their marginal rate is dumber than a box of hammers.

Well, many of them don’t understand the whole “marginal rate” thing, and they think the extra 3% will be levied on all their earnings. But I suppose “dumber than a box of hammers” could be construed to cover that misunderstanding.

217 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:57:50am

re: #213 b.d.

Ya know, with $350 Mil you could buy your own Gulstream and yacht. Just sayin…..

How about 30 bucks and two Revell model kits?

218 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:58:00am

re: #207 CuriousLurker

My Google calendar is set up to show Islamic & Jewish holidays in addition to the regular secular & Christian ones. At the beginning of November when I saw Chanukkah starting on the same day as Thanksgiving, my first reaction was surprise at how unusual it as that Chanukkah was so early (I even went elsewhere to check and make sure it wasn’t a mistake). My second reaction was, “Cool!”

It reminds me of when Thanksgiving falls during Ramadan—I believe the last time was in 2002—it was great fun, a feeling of being extra thankful. For us they coincide around every 30 years (the next one isn’t till 2033), so even if I didn’t like it, it’s not something that happens frequently enough to whine about, FFS

The Hebrew calendar is based on a lunar month, but unlike the Islamic calendar which can travel around the secular (solar) calendar, the Hebrew year is anchored by the month of Nisan, because Passover always must occur during the spring.

This means that every few years, a “leap month” is inserted before Nisan, which pushes Passover into the spring and all the other holidays which follow, also get pushed back.

5774/2014 is a “leap year” for both the solar and Hebrew calendars.

219 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:58:11am

re: #215 A Mom Anon

That would be me. My family takes ALL the fun out of dysfunctional, I mean they aren’t even quirky, they’re mostly just assholes. I do my very best to not drag other people’s holidays down, but it’s really hard for me to see all the happyhappylookathowHAPPYwearedamnit pictures all over the place and the showing off of gifts and all that stuff. I would love to just skip over everything from Nov 1 til about mid January.

{{Mom}}

220 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 8:59:16am

re: #217 Gus

How about 30 bucks and two Revell model kits?

All you really want is the glue isn’t it?

221 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:00:01am

re: #220 b.d.

All you really want is the glue isn’t it?

Wood filler. //

222 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:00:33am
223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:00:57am

re: #212 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

herp derp.

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It gets worse, because ole’ You Know Who is involved:

The faith-based nonprofit claims Radio Shack has continued to censor “Christmas” for years despite tens of thousands of consumer requests asking the company to recognize the holiday. The company frequently uses the term “holiday” instead of “Christmas” in its advertising.

“Radio Shack has been one of the most stubborn retailers that we have dealt with,” Bryan Fischer, director of issue analysis for AFA, told The Christian Post. “If you look at Radio Shack’s recent economic performance, the reality is that they are not in a position to offend any of their potential customer base. So we believe when we make it clear to them that the people who are looking to buy Christmas gifts for family and friends expect Radio Shack to be Christmas-friendly this year, we believe that we’ll get their attention.”

AFA wants boycott participants to leave comments on Radio Shack’s Facebook page and call the company’s corporate office to declare that they will shop elsewhere during the Christmas season unless the company makes some changes. The group is also encouraging participants to “politely” inform local store managers of their intentions.

Fischer says Radio Shack franchise owners will not be pleased with corporate leaders because of the boycott.

If Bryan Fischer is your “director of issue analysis”, then your organization is seriously fucked up.

224 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:01:12am

re: #222 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

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OK. That made me laugh.

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:03:57am

re: #222 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

The 14th Amendment made the bill of rights applicable to the states!

Sorry, but all this Fischer-DERP has seriously pissed me off.

226 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:04:37am

re: #219 makeitstop

(((and to you too)))

Sigh. I think it’s just crazy to kill yourself running around, spending money you often don’t really have, cooking for hours(days even) for a meal that ends in 20 minutes, and on and on. Though to be honest, I like the cooking, even if it’s just for me, The Husband and The Teenager. I don’t think having a lot of money would even change that for me, not when I see how nasty people are in the stores this time of year, over and over.

It’s very telling the retailers consider their holiday season the make or break for the whole year. Why should it be like that? I don’t think it was like this always, was it?

227 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:05:12am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

The 14th Amendment made the bill of rights applicable to the states!

Sorry, but all this Fischer-DERP has seriously pissed me off.

Watch this.
Youtube Video

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:05:46am

re: #226 A Mom Anon

(((and to you too)))

Sigh. I think it’s just crazy to kill yourself running around, spending money you often don’t really have, cooking for hours(days even) for a meal that ends in 20 minutes, and on and on. Though to be honest, I like the cooking, even if it’s just for me, The Husband and The Teenager. I don’t think having a lot of money would even change that for me, not when I see how nasty people are in the stores this time of year, over and over.

It’s very telling the retailers consider their holiday season the make or break for the whole year. Why should it be like that? I don’t think it was like this always, was it?

It was true at least as far back as the 1950’s.

229 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:05:59am

On our last cross-country trip, Zedushka & I sampled highway rest stop coffee as we drove from Detroit to NYC.

Best coffee, hands down: Wawa, in eastern PA.

Now we’re driving from Detroit to Huntsville, straight line down the middle of America. What are the best coffee places?

230 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:06:27am

re: #222 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

ZOMG JEFFERSON WAS A MARXISTS11111111!!!!!!!!

231 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:07:43am

re: #172 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

That said, I can understand that there is a “Seasonal Affective Disorder” that can afflict some people, because of unrealistic expectations, dysfunctional family gatherings, and also the burden of holiday preparations can be oppressive.

re: #215 A Mom Anon

That would be me. My family takes ALL the fun out of dysfunctional, I mean they aren’t even quirky, they’re mostly just assholes. I do my very best to not drag other people’s holidays down, but it’s really hard for me to see all the happyhappylookathowHAPPYwearedamnit pictures all over the place and the showing off of gifts and all that stuff. I would love to just skip over everything from Nov 1 til about mid January.

I think a big part of it might be the commercialization of the holidays, especially Christmas. When I became Muslim and stopped celebrating it, it was such a HUGE relief not to be facing the financial burden of having to buy a bunch of gifts. I do miss the tree & ornaments & stuff though… Nowadays, since Muslims also revere Jesus (a.s.) as a prophet, I use the Christmas season to reflect on his life and how it changed the world.

Anyway, my family is spread far & wide so, thankfully, I don’t have to deal with dysfunctional family gatherings. ;)

232 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:08:52am

re: #226 A Mom Anon

(((and to you too)))

Sigh. I think it’s just crazy to kill yourself running around, spending money you often don’t really have, cooking for hours(days even) for a meal that ends in 20 minutes, and on and on. Though to be honest, I like the cooking, even if it’s just for me, The Husband and The Teenager. I don’t think having a lot of money would even change that for me, not when I see how nasty people are in the stores this time of year, over and over.

It’s very telling the retailers consider their holiday season the make or break for the whole year. Why should it be like that? I don’t think it was like this always, was it?

It’s true that the cooking (and especially the food shopping) is very hard work, but it’s also the most rewarding.

As for the gift giving tell me about it. I have 35 grandkids!

I’m thankful that this year I have a good job so I can send them nice things, Thank G-D for Amazon Prime!

233 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:09:16am


Right. Tea Party… John Galt, Ayn Rand, et al. Uh huh.

234 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:09:34am

re: #218 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

The Hebrew calendar is based on a lunar month, but unlike the Islamic calendar which can travel around the secular (solar) calendar, the Hebrew year is anchored by the month of Nisan, because Passover always must occur during the spring.

This means that every few years, a “leap month” is inserted before Nisan, which pushes Passover into the spring and all the other holidays which follow, also get pushed back.

5774/2014 is a “leap year” for both the solar and Hebrew calendars.

Ohhhhhh, I had no idea about Nisan! Thanks for the info.

235 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:10:06am

re: #226 A Mom Anon

(((and to you too)))

Sigh. I think it’s just crazy to kill yourself running around, spending money you often don’t really have, cooking for hours(days even) for a meal that ends in 20 minutes, and on and on. Though to be honest, I like the cooking, even if it’s just for me, The Husband and The Teenager. I don’t think having a lot of money would even change that for me, not when I see how nasty people are in the stores this time of year, over and over.

It’s very telling the retailers consider their holiday season the make or break for the whole year. Why should it be like that? I don’t think it was like this always, was it?

Well, I’m 60 years old and people have been grousing about the commercialization of Christmas as long as I can remember. For retailers, it’s a chance for an end-of-the-year bump to their bottom line.

For the rest of us, it’s a chance to see Christmas tree displays just before Halloween, which is just ridiculous AFAIC.

236 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:10:23am

re: #233 Gus

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Right. Tea Party… John Galt, Ayn Rand, et al. Uh huh.

Should we let them in on Rand’s views of religion???
/

237 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:10:39am

re: #234 CuriousLurker

Ohhhhhh, I had no idea about Nisan! Thanks for the info.

I don’t know why the Japanese named a car after the month in which Passover occurs.

238 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:12:25am

re: #237 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

I don’t know why the Japanese named a car after the month in which Passover occurs.

LMAO

239 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:12:43am

HURR HURR. WHY DIDN’T MITT WIN HE GOT ALL TEH RED SPACES!!!!!!

240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:13:29am

re: #233 Gus

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Right. Tea Party… John Galt, Ayn Rand, et al. Uh huh.

Another ‘End Times’ head case. that woman needs to being a better Christian herself and worry less about forcing others to believe.

241 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:13:51am

re: #237 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

I don’t know why the Japanese named a car after the month in which Passover occurs.

It was their Tokyo stock market abbreviation.

242 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:14:58am

Why do I know such odd things???
:)

243 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:15:56am

re: #231 CuriousLurker

yep, the commercialization is depressing to me. It might not be so bad if people weren’t such assholes to each other over sales and stuff. A lot of it feels forced, I don’t know, it’s just not that fun for me.

But, when I say my family sucks the fun out of dysfunctional I’m not kidding. My siblings are both idiot racist tea party freaks and my parents, who aren’t “quite” as bad, feel like they have to choose between me and the other two kids so I don’t put them in the position. My brother is not allowed in my house for a host of reasons, not the least of which was interfering with my relationship with my oldest kid, he did a ton of damage that took years to fix, so he can bite me. I don’t want The Teenager exposed to his crap either, so again, he is invited to do nothing but bite me.

244 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:16:05am

re: #241 Varek Raith

It was their Tokyo stock market abbreviation.

Why would the Tokyo stock market name themselves after a Hebrew month?//

245 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:16:35am

re: #244 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

Why would the Tokyo stock market name themselves after a Hebrew month?//

Got me there.
:P

246 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:16:56am
247 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:17:56am

re: #246 Lidane

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Oh please, we all know God is too busy preparing the turkeys.

248 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:18:59am

Flurries.

249 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:19:46am

re: #248 Gus

Flurries.

30 right now.

250 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:20:15am

Uh oh. Greenwald has a case of Unite Blue butthurt.

251 darthstar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:20:19am
252 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:22:17am
253 Bear  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:22:29am

28 here. had been 15.

254 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:22:38am

re: #249 Varek Raith

30 right now.

29 here.

255 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:22:41am

Iran’s Supreme Leader Hopes Nuke Deal Distracts Attention from Obamacare

“It’s true, we’ve resisted any deal on nukes for over three decades,” the Ayatollah said. “But when we saw how much trouble Obama was having with his Web site, we realized it would be uncaring of us not to try to help him out.”

Rofl.

256 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:23:10am

He says this like it’s a bad thing:


You know, because drawing attention to sensitive negotiations is a surefire way to make them happen.

257 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:24:03am

re: #249 Varek Raith

30 right now.

Google WX sez 34 and light snow.

258 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:24:24am

re: #251 darthstar

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The deal has gotten a mixed reaction in the Senate. Feinstein praised it but Schumer criticized it. Harry Reid’s remarks were mixed, but he said the Senate would look into passing additional sanctions anyways.

259 Gus  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:24:40am

My WX: 34, feels like 30 below and light flurries.

260 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:25:44am

Gah, clients. Gotta get back to work. BBL

261 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:26:16am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

The deal has gotten a mixed reaction in the Senate. Feinstein praised it but Schumer criticized it. Harry Reid’s remarks were mixed, but he said the Senate would look into passing additional sanctions anyways.

Which would scuttle the whole deal.
Then we’ll bitch about Iran being unreasonable while we continually shove them in to the corner.

262 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:27:28am

re: #256 Lidane

He says this like it’s a bad thing:

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You know, because drawing attention to sensitive negotiations is a surefire way to make them happen.

Heck No!!1 Secret negotiations are just governments plotting to oppress the people, man!!!11 If its not public and open then it’s clearly EVIL!!!!111

I renew my request for a ‘dudebro’ font.

263 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:27:33am

George W. Bush’s ambassador to the UN:

264 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:27:47am

re: #261 Varek Raith

Just out of curiosity, how much more sanctions can we do? Also, what about the other 5 nations involved? Can’t they tell the Senate to pound sand?

265 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:28:36am

re: #252 Gus

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So Glenn would have blabbed all about it. I wonder if the Guardian knew
about the talks?

266 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:29:05am

re: #261 Varek Raith

Which would scuttle the whole deal.
Then we’ll bitch about Iran being unreasonable while we continually shove them in to the corner.

Then we can bomb them! Hooray!

/GOP

267 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:29:23am

I just don’t get why war is some peoples first and only solution to problems.

268 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:29:28am

re: #256 Lidane

He says this like it’s a bad thing:

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You know, because drawing attention to sensitive negotiations is a surefire way to make them happen.

[greenwald] Anne Frank is hiding in the attic [/greenwald]

269 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:30:04am

re: #268 b.d.

[greenwald] Anne Frank is hiding in the attic [/greenwald]

That little shit would blab about that, wouldn’t he.

270 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:30:19am

re: #267 Varek Raith

I just don’t get why war is some peoples first and only solution to problems.

Because beating people into submission is easier than trying to talk to them.

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:30:38am

re: #261 Varek Raith

Which would scuttle the whole deal.
Then we’ll bitch about Iran being unreasonable while we continually shove them in to the corner.

I doubt the Senate will end up passing the bill, but perhaps Harry Reid is saying that to put Iran on notice. The idea being to let Iran know that if they start off with acts of bad faith, then ‘Good Cop Obama’ will give way to ‘Bad Cop US Senate’ and they won’t like what happens then. More likely Reid is just covering his ass.

272 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:32:14am

re: #263 Lidane

George W. Bush’s ambassador to the UN:

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When all you’ve got is a hammer, everything looks like bombing Iran.

273 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:32:16am

re: #222 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

So he doesn’t know anything about the government of the US or the government of Angola. Par for the course.

274 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:33:00am

re: #264 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Just out of curiosity, how much more sanctions can we do? Also, what about the other 5 nations involved? Can’t they tell the Senate to pound sand?

They could refuse to cooperate with us, but if Congress passed a sanctions bill President Obama would have to either implement it or veto it.

275 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:35:28am

re: #246 Lidane

And Khomeini thought God was on his side in his Iranian revolution. Hey, at least the Shah actually was a dictator in reality, unlike Obama, a dictator only in the fever dreams of nutcases like Klayman.

276 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I doubt the Senate will end up passing the bill, but perhaps Harry Reid is saying that to put Iran on notice. The idea being to let Iran know that if they start off with acts of bad faith, then ‘Good Cop Obama’ will give way to ‘Bad Cop US Senate’ and they won’t like what happens then. More likely Reid is just covering his ass.

I hope it’s a simple as that.

277 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:37:13am

re: #263 Lidane

George W. Bush’s ambassador to the UN:

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I wish I should take this pathetic little warmonger more seriously, but just look at him.

278 AlexRogan  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:41:13am

re: #277 Ian G.

I wish I should take this pathetic little warmonger more seriously, but just look at him.

Bolton is the walrus…

279 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:41:33am

DROOONNEESS!!!11

‘Killer robots’ ban must be part of Geneva talks, says campaign group
Campaign to Stop Killer Robots says UN-sponsored meeting must stop development of fully autonomous weapons

An international coalition of disarmament and human rights groups has said that UN-sponsored talks in Geneva this week must seize the opportunity to ban the development of fully autonomous weapons, dubbed “killer robots”.

The Campaign to Stop Killer Robots said that such weapons, once activated, would select and engage targets without human intervention.

Though they have yet to be fully developed, robotic systems with various degrees of autonomy and lethality are used by the US, Israel, South Korea, and the UK, while other nations, including China and Russia, are believed to be moving toward systems that would give full combat autonomy to machines, the campaign warned.

“In recent months, fully autonomous weapons have gone from an obscure, little-known issue, to one that is commanding international attention”, it said.

The Geneva meeting is expected to lead to an agreement to place the issue of “killer robots” firmly on the agenda of the UN Convention on Conventional Weapons. “Most fundamentally, an international ban is needed to ensure that humans will retain control over decisions to target and use force against other humans,” said Mary Wareham of Human Rights Watch (HRW).

280 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:43:02am

re: #218 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

The Hebrew calendar is based on a lunar month, but unlike the Islamic calendar which can travel around the secular (solar) calendar, the Hebrew year is anchored by the month of Nisan, because Passover always must occur during the spring.

This means that every few years, a “leap month” is inserted before Nisan, which pushes Passover into the spring and all the other holidays which follow, also get pushed back.

5774/2014 is a “leap year” for both the solar and Hebrew calendars.

Passover is a fixed point in time. /The Doctor

281 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:45:34am

Steve you dumb shit, Walmart FIRES workers who participate in strikes.

282 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:46:37am
Campaign to Stop Killer Robots

Kind of hard to take them seriously with a name like that.

284 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:47:08am

re: #254 CuriousLurker

29 here.

34 here, with an overnight low forecast for 26 and snow.

285 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:48:57am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

How’s an honest man to make a living if I can’t sell assassin droids to shady characters?

286 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:49:28am

It must frustrate Glenn that some journalists have consciences.

287 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:50:56am

ICYMI: Judicial conservative group that once severely conservatively supported filibuster reform now decides it’s against it.

Seeking a ‘consensus’ candidate is not the right thing to do. It is not what the Constitution contemplates, in our system built on the consent of the governed. Majorities didn’t elect George W. Bush and 55 Republican Senators to do that. For the President to choose a Justice on this basis would retroactively disenfranchise the voters in these elections. The people elected the President so that he would exercise his own judgment according to the criteria he stated in two elections. By definition, those will never be ‘consensus’ nominees. Justices Ginsburg and Breyer were not ‘consensus’ nominees, nor should any Republican nominees be — particularly when Republicans control the Senate, for heaven’s sake.

I mean, ‘for heaven’s sake’. //

288 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:52:29am

re: #281 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

Speaking of Stockman:

Stockman’s filings don’t explain his income

Both as a candidate and as a congressman, Rep. Steve Stockman of Clear Lake has failed to make federally required disclosures about business affiliations that stretch from Texas to the British Virgin Islands, and has provided no details about the business he claims as his sole source of income.

Stockman returned to office in 2013 after 16 years away from Congress - crediting a low-budget, come-from-behind campaign to which he claimed to have lent more than $100,000 of his own money.

Stockman failed to file a federal disclosure form during his candidacy in 2012 when he ran for the newly created District 36, which stretches east and north from Southeast Harris County, around Beaumont, and beyond to the Louisiana line.

Every other Texan in Congress, whether incumbent or freshman, filed a report in 2012.

289 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:52:29am

re: #281 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

And obviously no one in the community or country besides the workers themselves should give a sh$t about people who work at Walmart or how things are bought/sold in this country. //

290 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:53:37am

re: #279 Dark_Falcon

DROOONNEESS!!!11

‘Killer robots’ ban must be part of Geneva talks, says campaign group
Campaign to Stop Killer Robots says UN-sponsored meeting must stop development of fully autonomous weapons

“Killer robots” sounds funny but the concept is actually really spooky if you think about it…it’s a continuation of the ethical discussion of practices like spamming land mines and other area denial weapons with no regard for civilian casualties.

But consider role of the land mine in past and current conflicts…and, in particular, how their indiscriminate use has created humanitarian issues that linger long after the conflict. Then make the landmine “smarter”—motion detection instead of pressure plate activation—and then “smarter” still—a mobile unit instead of a buried trap.

Addendum: I think there’s actually Philip Dick story that deals with this idea.

291 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:53:42am

re: #288 Lidane

That this ninny might have once had a profitable business venture, or a business venture of anykind, is almost as troubling as his having ever been elected to Congress.

292 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:55:03am

re: #278 AlexRogan

Drive-by - If this guy isn’t exaggerating, then it looks like this agreement pissed off pretty much everyone on all sides:

Historic US-Iran Deal Is First Step Toward Peace

The substance of the accord reached in Geneva is a breakthrough, but the politics of the agreement is equally important. President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry signed the deal in explicit, full-frontal defiance of American hawks, neoconservatives and hardliners, the Israel lobby and anti-Iran partisans in Congress. Foreign Minister Javad Zarif and his team, backed by President Hassan Rouhani — elected in June with a mandate to do exactly this — have similarly defied their own country’s hardliners and skeptics, led by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and by what Zarif calls Iran’s own tea party. And the United States struck the deal despite outright hostility, bordering on hysteria, from its two chief allies in the Middle East, Israel and Saudi Arabia. […]

billmoyers.com

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I doubt the Senate will end up passing the bill, but perhaps Harry Reid is saying that to put Iran on notice. The idea being to let Iran know that if they start off with acts of bad faith, then ‘Good Cop Obama’ will give way to ‘Bad Cop US Senate’ and they won’t like what happens then. More likely Reid is just covering his ass.

From the same article as above:

Interestingly, a statement from the White House early today explicitly rules out the imposition of additional sanctions, which is a direct message to leaders of the US Senate, including majority leader Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who’d hinted that they’d move ahead with yet another round of sanctions in December. The accord, says the White House, commits the parties of the P5+1, including the United States, to “not impose new nuclear-related sanctions for six months, if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems.” […]

293 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:55:15am
294 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:55:28am

re: #282 Varek Raith

Kind of hard to take them seriously with a name like that.

Forget killer robots, we need a convention to deal with the threat of killer rabbits!

Youtube Video

295 Belafon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:56:16am

re: #256 Lidane

Imagine Greenwald during the discussions that gave us our current constitution.

296 Mattand  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:56:55am

re: #185 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Image: tech_support_cheat_sheet.png

Thank you. I’m posting that later. Source is XKCD?

297 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:58:08am

re: #293 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

The NLRB….ah, another entity for the teabag party to hate on. Less government, freedom, libertay

298 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:58:55am

re: #292 CuriousLurker

Right. Countless thousands of lives spared and a couple trillion dollars left unspent on a ruinous war must be a bad thing.
////

What is wrong with these people? How many of them were ready to bomb India, Pakistan, or North Korea when they tested and or deployed nukes?

299 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 9:59:20am

re: #297 Bulworth

The NLRB….ah, another entity for the teabag party to hate on. Less government, freedom, libertay

HURR HURR YOONYUN THUGZ!!!!1!!!1!11

300 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:01:46am
And they’re right. It is the lower middle class—that strata of independent farmers, small shopkeepers, craft and highly skilled workers, and small-scale entrepreneurs—that has been hit hardest by globalization. “Western industry has displaced traditional crafts—female as well as male—and large-scale multinational-controlled agriculture has downgraded the independent farmer to the status of hired hand,” writes journalist Barbara Ehrenreich. This has resulted in massive male displacement—migration, downward mobility. It has been felt the most not by the adult men who were the tradesmen, shopkeepers, and skilled workers, but by their sons, by the young men whose inheritance has been seemingly stolen from them. They feel entitled and deprived—and furious. These angry young men are the foot soldiers of the armies of rage that have sprung up around the world.

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301 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:01:56am

Morning all!

How is it by you?

302 Stoatly  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:02:29am

Youtube Video
Just had fun opening this in a different tab to the original video and playing them in and out of sync with each other

303 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:03:16am

re: #298 Political Atheist

Right. Countless thousands of lives spared and a couple trillion dollars left unspent on a ruinous war must be a bad thing.
////

What is wrong with these people? How many of them were ready to bomb India, Pakistan, or North Korea when they tested and or deployed nukes?

A lot. Seriously, go read articles from back then.

The thing is, back then most of them were the extremists that hung on conservatism’s right shoulders. Now they’re the main voice.

304 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:03:27am

re: #278 AlexRogan

Bolton is the walrus…

and he looks like one too!

305 Belafon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:05:47am

re: #296 Mattand

Yes.

306 Ian G.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:06:17am

re: #298 Political Atheist

Peter Beinart has a good article about this. A lot of the same people howling about this deal with Iran were howling every time St. Ronaldus Mangus reached out to make a deal with the Soviets.

307 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:07:36am

re: #292 CuriousLurker

Drive-by - If this guy isn’t exaggerating, then it looks like this agreement pissed off pretty much everyone on all sides:

From the same article as above:

The thing is that Congress could simply ignore said agreement. No executive agreement can override an act of congress, so if 2/3rds of the House and Senate decided to punish Iran the rest of the world could not prevent them from passing sanctions to do so.

308 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:08:32am

re: #298 Political Atheist

Okay, disclosure: I just looked up the Wiki entry for the article’s author, who is a foreign policy and defense writer for The Nation. Seems he was involved with the Lyndon LaRouche movement. Isn’t LaRouche like a total moonbat or something? It doesn’t make the reporting incorrect, I’m just saying that we have to pay more attention to sources these days as everything seems designed to push certain psychological buttons and I’m leery of being manipulated.

309 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:09:12am
Gualtieri says 20 percent of the state’s homicides stem from domestic violence. But one of the biggest challenges in fighting domestic violence is getting victims to report it.

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310 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:10:08am

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

I heard an interview with the author a week or so ago. I think he nails a lot of this, it sort of makes it clear as to why in some parts of the country, the younger generations keep holding the same old grudges. It’s on my ever growing reading list, which means I may get to it before 2020, lol.

311 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:12:32am

re: #306 Ian G.

Peter Beinart has a good article about this. A lot of the same people howling about this deal with Iran were howling every time St. Ronaldus Mangus reached out to make a deal with the Soviets.

Pencil Is Your Friend, it’s “Magnus”, not “Mangus”.

312 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:13:37am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Congress could simply ignore said agreement. No executive agreement can override an act of congress, so if 2/3rds of the House and Senate decided to punish Iran the rest of the world could not prevent them from passing sanctions to do so.

The sad thing is I’m sure there are those in Congress right now who would be happy to say FUCK PEACE and do so. And then there are those who are pissed that Obama’s administration orchestrated these talks and would be happy to fuck it up just to spite him.

Hopefully not 2/3rds, though. Democrats: please don’t be idiots here.

313 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:14:56am

re: #303 kirkspencer

A lot. Seriously, go read articles from back then.

The thing is, back then most of them were the extremists that hung on conservatism’s right shoulders. Now they’re the main voice.

I don’t recall any calls for U.S. military action against India or Pakistan. A little sabre rattling for N.K. but that was obviously theater.

See

How the world warmed to a nuclear India

inside.org.au

314 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:15:34am

OH, YEAH! Just heard on NPR radio about the Superintendent, HS Principal & 2 coaches being charged in Stubenville OH over the rape they tried to cover up. Still piss-ant charges but at least they’ll have to go to court and try to defend their slimy behavior.

315 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:16:23am

re: #310 A Mom Anon

I heard an interview with the author a week or so ago. I think he nails a lot of this, it sort of makes it clear as to why in some parts of the country, the younger generations keep holding the same old grudges. It’s on my ever growing reading list, which means I may get to it before 2020, lol.

I keep thinking that we are creating our own China situation in a way.

316 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:16:52am

re: #314 William Barnett-Lewis

OH, YEAH! Just heard on NPR radio about the Superintendent, HS Principal & 2 coaches being charged in Stubenville OH over the rape they tried to cover up. Still piss-ant charges but at least they’ll have to go to court and try to defend their slimy behavior.

FINALLY! I was floored with the coach’s contract was renewed.

317 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:17:21am

re: #309 FemNaziBitch

I think the same mindset that says “she’s lying” in rape cases exists with domestic violence too. Having had to run for my life years and years ago, I can attest to the fact that there are not enough safe spaces out there for women and their children-it’s better now, but we have miles to go. And there are certainly not enough people who believe women when they speak up. Leaving IS the most dangerous time, I think women instinctively know this and stay for that, and many other reasons. Not enough support being the main reason.

Here in GA, there’s another organization that deals with another aspect of this issue- Pets. Many times the abuser will also hurt the family pet to coerce the victims into staying because most DV shelters will not deal with animals. Ahimsa House finds either temporary or permanent homes for the animals in violent families, they’ve even taken in bearded dragons and iguanas.

318 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:22:05am

re: #313 Political Atheist

I don’t recall any calls for U.S. military action against India or Pakistan. A little sabre rattling for N.K. but that was obviously theater.

See

inside.org.au

In contrast, CNS archives show world condemnation. And this from the Brookings Institute shows that certain parties were saying sanctions weren’t enough and force was called for - with India being a specific case in point.

319 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:22:18am

re: #317 A Mom Anon

I think the same mindset that says “she’s lying” in rape cases exists with domestic violence too. Having had to run for my life years and years ago, I can attest to the fact that there are not enough safe spaces out there for women and their children-it’s better now, but we have miles to go. And there are certainly not enough people who believe women when they speak up. Leaving IS the most dangerous time, I think women instinctively know this and stay for that, and many other reasons. Not enough support being the main reason.

Here in GA, there’s another organization that deals with another aspect of this issue- Pets. Many times the abuser will also hurt the family pet to coerce the victims into staying because most DV shelters will not deal with animals. Ahimsa House finds either temporary or permanent homes for the animals in violent families, they’ve even taken in bearded dragons and iguanas.

Pets (in Illinois at least) can be included in Orders of Protection (as listed property). Our Shelter also has a couple of places that will take pets while the survivor is in shelter.

It’s a big deal, many, many women will not leave because they do not want to leave their pet and we can’t accept them in shelter.

One advocate even took a lady’s cat once.

I am constantly amazed at the level of dedication the social workers have—for so little pay —compared to their education levels committment.

320 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:23:09am

re: #316 FemNaziBitch

FINALLY! I was floored with the coach’s contract was renewed.

This is par for the course given that the main offenders were juveniles, but it still grates on me:

A grand jury then began investigating whether others should be charged. In October, it indicted William Rhinaman, 53, the director of technology for Steubenville City Schools, on charges of tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, obstructing official business and perjury.

His daughter, Hannah Rhinaman, 20, of Mingo Junction, Ohio, was also indicted that month on two counts of receiving stolen property and one count of grand theft, according to a news release from DeWine’s office.

The charges against Hannah Rhinaman are separate and unrelated to the indictment against her father, the October news release said.

If convicted, Walter Rhinaman could be sentenced to four years in prison, which is longer than the two teens convicted of rape will serve.

321 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:25:14am

re: #318 kirkspencer

I’ll read that link a bit later, thanks!

322 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:25:30am

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

This is par for the course given that the main offenders were juveniles, but it still grates on me:

Considering they are/were juveniles. …

If they were black adults, it would have been different.

323 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:27:55am

re: #308 CuriousLurker

The LaRouche movement occupies its own kinda place on the political spectrum. I’ve never been too sure quite how to describe them.

324 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:28:54am

re: #215 A Mom Anon

That would be me. My family takes ALL the fun out of dysfunctional, I mean they aren’t even quirky, they’re mostly just assholes. I do my very best to not drag other people’s holidays down, but it’s really hard for me to see all the happyhappylookathowHAPPYwearedamnit pictures all over the place and the showing off of gifts and all that stuff. I would love to just skip over everything from Nov 1 til about mid January.

I agree. Not because my family are dicks, I just hate the disruption of routine, the forced family fun and total havoc it plays with my budget.

I swear, I could be debt free in less than a year if we could just skip the holiday season ONCE.

325 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:29:05am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

The LaRouche movement occupies its own kinda place on the political spectrum. I’ve never been too sure quite how to describe them.

Whacko?

326 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:29:38am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

The LaRouche movement occupies its own kinda place on the political spectrum. I’ve never been too sure quite how to describe them.

Dining room tables - Barney Frank

327 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:29:50am

re: #312 dr. klys

The sad thing is I’m sure there are those in Congress right now who would be happy to say FUCK PEACE and do so. And then there are those who are pissed that Obama’s administration orchestrated these talks and would be happy to fuck it up just to spite him.

That’s how you keep the AIPAC checks coming in.

328 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:29:54am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

The LaRouche movement occupies its own kinda place on the political spectrum. I’ve never been too sure quite how to describe them.

Freakazoid nutburgers that make Glenn Beck look totally sane and sober (in all meanings of that word)?

329 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:31:07am

How cute is this?

Talk about upcycling old clothing. …

330 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:33:02am

Be still m y beating heart.

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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — Katie Couric is joining Yahoo to anchor a news program for the Internet company as it tries to expand its audience and sell more advertising.

Monday’s announcement confirms recent published reports that Couric would diversify into online video programming after spending decades in broadcast television as a talk-show host and news anchor.

Couric, 56, will continue to host her daytime talk show, “Katie,” on ABC even after she becomes Yahoo’s “global anchor” beginning next year.

wfaa.com

331 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:33:03am

re: #325 FemNaziBitch

re: #326 Stanley Sea

re: #328 William Barnett-Lewis

I guess any of the above would fit. They’re certainly pretty out there.

332 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:35:05am

Glad to see there are more charges in the Steubenville case.

They’re calling for sleet and rain here tonight. I commented to my g-son that the sky looked like a snow sky, so we shall see.

MSNBC reports “storm” heading east.

333 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:35:22am

Family Guy killed-off Brian?

I keep thinking it’s going to be like New Coke.

334 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:37:31am

Pay attention to your local judicial appointments and elections.

335 Kragar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:38:22am
336 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:39:53am

Contractor charged with murder in Philly collapse

hosted.ap.org

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The contractor who oversaw a botched building demolition that killed six people in a Salvation Army thrift store in Philadelphia is being charged with murder, manslaughter and reckless endangerment.

“Officials said Monday that Griffin Campbell is also charged with risking a catastrophe and criminal conspiracy in addition to the six counts of third-degree murder, six counts of involuntary manslaughter and 13 counts of endangerment. In the collapse, an unsupported wall crashed down onto the neighboring thrift store, trapping and killing shoppers inside.”

337 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:39:55am

re: #326 Stanley Sea

Dining room tables - Barney Frank

….

At a Barney Frank town hall meeting in Dartmouth, MA, a constituent asks, “Why are you supporting this Nazi policy?”

Frank responds: “On what planet do you spend most of your time?” He then calls her approach “vile, contemptible nonsense.” He closes by saying: “Trying to have a conversation with you would be like arguing with a dining room table.”

338 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:40:01am

Baby elephant!!!

339 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:41:13am

re: #328 William Barnett-Lewis

Freakazoid nutburgers that make Glenn Beck look totally sane and sober (in all meanings of that word)?

That describes them well. LaRouchites are one of a very small group, as they are creatures of neither the left nor the right.

340 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:42:25am

re: #339 Dark_Falcon

That describes them well. LaRouchites are one of a very small group, as they are creatures of neither the left nor the right.

I think they seamlessly ping-pong back and forth from one ideology to the other.

341 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:42:56am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

Baby elephant!!!

Well, that family seems ready for a Christmas vacation. They’ve certainly got enough trunk space. :D

342 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:42:59am
Twenty-three states (Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, and Wisconsin) have laws prohibiting insurance coverage of abortion in state exchanges. Eight of those states - Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, and Utah - go even further and reach all plans in the state, banning insurance coverage of abortion in plans outside the exchange as well.

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343 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:43:16am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Well, that family seems ready for a Christmas vacation. They’ve certainly got enough trunk space. :D

groan

344 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:48:29am

I love this author. I started “Animals Make Us Human” by Temple Grandin last night.

Dogs evolved to be with people. It is their natural state —not being in the wild. Ms. Grandin posits that the opposite is true. Than Humans evolved to be with dogs. That it is our natural state.

I have to agree.

345 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:50:57am
346 Mattand  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:51:07am

re: #344 FemNaziBitch

I love this author. I started “Animals Make Us Human” by Temple Grandin last night.

Dogs evolved to be with people. It is their natural state —not being in the wild. Ms. Grandin posits that the opposite is true. Than Humans evolved to be with dogs. That it is our natural state.

I have to agree.

Very appreciative of my dog right now, as he doesn’t ask me to help fix his iPod, and then get pissy with me when I give an answer he doesn’t like.

(Sorry for the call back, in a very foul obsessive mood today. Promise to be nicer in future posts.)

347 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:51:33am

Shaking my head.

348 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:52:18am

HURR HURR NOBODY IS FORCED TO WORK AT WALMART, THEY CAN LEAVE ANY TIME THEY WANT, THEREFORE IT’S NOT SLAVERY, WHAT ARE THESE STUPID YOONYUN THUGZ COMPLAINING ABOUT!!!!11!!!!!

349 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:52:35am

re: #333 FemNaziBitch

Family Guy killed-off Brian?

I keep thinking it’s going to be like New Coke.

Don’t forget that Stewie has a time machine. Retconning that would be easy.

350 darthstar  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:53:01am
351 gwangung  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:53:30am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

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Oh, lawd ….. what morons……

352 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:53:43am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

feckin’ diplomacy, how does it work? If they could rub two brain cells together, the answer is staring them in the face, i.e., the freakstorm that’s emerged since the deal was announced.

353 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #24 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion

BECAUSE REPUBLICANS SUCK.

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I’m asked this a lot. I tell them I’m not willing to live in an evangelical Christian theocracy where women are treated as property to prove I love a nation that can easily defend itself.

354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

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355 piratedan  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:55:23am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

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these people must be the same folks that announce to Facebook who they’re having sex with as a status update.

356 Lidane  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:55:32am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

Gee. I can’t imagine how making any talks between the US and Iran public before a deal is struck could be a bad thing.

357 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:55:59am

Remember, unless Glenn Greenwald specifically says “THIS IS A BAD THING,” you’re not allowed to draw any conclusions based on his entire freaking body of work.

Oh brother.

358 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:56:27am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

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The negotiations should have done over the internets with open commenting, polls, resolutions and open mike time.

//

359 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:56:50am

I think I might again be an involuntary donor to the upcoming Democratic campaigns. President Obama will be making his 16th visit to LA, with all the costs and inconveniences that go with a visit by a superpower head of state.

Can I console myself this is about foreign policy? Maybe a meet with experts and officials to better implement the ACA? Meet with people about the new agreement with Iran? Persuade California congressmen about domestic policy?

Nope.
It’s just a fundraiser for the party.
Why during a holiday week? What was wrong with last week or next week?

360 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:57:40am

re: #357 Charles Johnson

And his snitty responses are not counted because it’s your fault for making him respond like that.

361 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:58:10am

re: #358 b.d.
On 4chan, in /b/

362 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 10:59:54am

re: #359 Political Atheist

I don’t think it’s true that while Obama is in LA all he’ll be doing is fundraising.

Do you?

363 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:01:13am

“He was never treated like a suspect”

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364 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:05:27am

re: #362 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Yes.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

In L.A. on Tuesday, Obama attends another DNC event before giving an economic speech at a major outpost of the entertainment industry, DreamWorks Animation.

“The American motion picture and television industry is a growing industry and continues to create thousands of jobs all across the country,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest.

Obama returns to the White House Tuesday night.

No other official business is mentioned.

365 b.d.  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:06:09am

re: #357 Charles Johnson

Remember, unless Glenn Greenwald specifically says “THIS IS A BAD THING,” you’re not allowed to draw any conclusions based on his entire freaking body of work.

Oh brother.

It’s a policy that applies only to Greenwald, like neutral linking.

366 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:07:26am

re: #364 Political Atheist

Yes.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

No other official business is mentioned.

“An economic speech” is official business.

367 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:10:01am

re: #364 Political Atheist

Yes.

losangeles.cbslocal.com

No other official business is mentioned.

Hah. You seriously think he’s not going to do anything else there? The Labor Board calls him and he says “Fuck off, dudes, I’m fundraising”? He’s not carrying out his duties as President while he’s there?

368 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:12:35am

re: #367 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hah. You seriously think he’s not going to do anything else there? The Labor Board calls him and he says “Fuck off, dudes, I’m fundraising”? He’s not carrying out his duties as President while he’s there?

He leaves all the paperwork in the Oval Office and turns off his Blackberry, didn’t you see that memo?

///

369 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:13:44am

re: #366 kirkspencer

“An economic speech” is official business.

And that speech is happening in Los Angeles rather than say from the White House because he is here on a fundraising trip. Or is there compelling reason it has to happen here, this week?

GWB and past Presidents pull the same stunt. Just enough “official” business so the party does not have to re-imburse travel on AF1 etc. The state and cities still bear a significant cost.

Anyway that’s the game such as it is.

But srsly, this week?

370 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:15:01am

re: #369 Political Atheist

And that speech is happening in Los Angeles rather than say from the White House because he is here on a fundraising trip. Or is there compelling reason it has to happen here, this week?

GWB and past Presidents pull the same stunt. Just enough “official” business so the party does not have to re-imburse travel on AF1 etc. The state and cities still bear a significant cost.

Anyway that’s the game such as it is.

But srsly, this week?

To be fair, it is LA.

How the hell are you going to tell the difference when it comes to traffic?

/only half

371 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:15:38am

re: #346 Mattand

Very appreciative of my dog right now, as he doesn’t ask me to help fix his iPod, and then get pissy with me when I give an answer he doesn’t like.

(Sorry for the call back, in a very foul obsessive mood today. Promise to be nicer in future posts.)

I think I missed something …

372 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:21:47am

re: #367 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Hah. You seriously think he’s not going to do anything else there? The Labor Board calls him and he says “Fuck off, dudes, I’m fundraising”? He’s not carrying out his duties as President while he’s there?

Ad absurdum dude.

I looked at his schedule, saw that it is all about fundraising, and came to the rather unremarkable conclusion that this is a fundraising trip.

And you should have taken notice my bitch was mostly about the timing. That and being an involuntary donor to the DNC cause.

373 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:33:36am

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

I doubt the Senate will end up passing the bill, but perhaps Harry Reid is saying that to put Iran on notice. The idea being to let Iran know that if they start off with acts of bad faith, then ‘Good Cop Obama’ will give way to ‘Bad Cop US Senate’ and they won’t like what happens then. More likely Reid is just covering his ass.

I thought I heard Lindsay Graham say they’ll pass the tougher sanctions but will postpone for 6 months.

374 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:40:44am

re: #345 Charles Johnson

More times than I can count have I seen negotiations processes - especially the diplomatic kind - implode because the negotiations were public, and they were doomed from the outset.

Middle East peace deals especially are sensitive to scuttling due to politicization due to publicity. It allows extremists and rabble rousers to undermine any potential deal.

Backchannels negotiations and talks allow the parties to work unfettered by the media weight on their backs and you can get a more frank discussion.

Oslo didn’t occur under the glare of the media spotlight. It was announced after the terms had been agreed upon by Palestinian and Israeli negotiators. Madrid was an attempt at a public negotiation and it failed.

Had word of this negotiation and opening of relations leaked at the outset, it is likely that the GOP and hardliners generally would have scuttled the talks even before any progress could be reached - talks on talks.

Backchannel talks and secret diplomacy is a critical part of the foreign relations tool chest. Revealing those talks before a deal is struck can and will have disastrous consequences for the talks.

375 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:40:58am

re: #349 Lidane

Don’t forget that Stewie has a time machine. Retconning that would be easy.

That was in the plot - Stewie had dismantled the time machine and couldn’t get parts for it, so he couldn’t go back and save Brian.

376 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:45:40am

re: #370 dr. klys

Hah! Enjoy a whole +1

377 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 11:47:08am

re: #376 Political Atheist

Hah! Enjoy a whole +1

I’ve had the misfortune of driving around LA too many times.

Really, once is too many times. But it’s more than once. ;)

378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 12:04:26pm

re: #372 Political Atheist

Ad absurdum dude.

I looked at his schedule, saw that it is all about fundraising, and came to the rather unremarkable conclusion that this is a fundraising trip.

And you should have taken notice my bitch was mostly about the timing. That and being an involuntary donor to the DNC cause.

Dude, that’s exactly what I”m pointing about. Is this just another “Obama shouldn’t take vacations, it’s on my dime that he does it!” kind of deal? Obama traveled to LA. In LA, he’s doing fundraising. He’s obviously also doing all kinds of other presidential shit, no matter what shows up on his schedule.

So how are you a ‘donor’, exactly?

379 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 2:31:56pm

re: #378 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Dude, that’s exactly what I”m pointing about. Is this just another “Obama shouldn’t take vacations, it’s on my dime that he does it!” kind of deal? Obama traveled to LA. In LA, he’s doing fundraising. He’s obviously also doing all kinds of other presidential shit, no matter what shows up on his schedule.

So how are you a ‘donor’, exactly?

No this is not one of those nut job deals. It’s merely what I said. I said this is the 16th trip, the timing sucks and I’m in on the costs. Can’t a guy have a mild criticism without getting lumped in?

Indirectly a donor of course. The state and city has significant non reimbursed costs. Some may say “hey did I ever bitch about GWB?” Probably not much, but I don’t recall him in town in a holiday week, and I said nothing about Obama the first 15 trips.

It’s pretty odd to get called out for saying his trip is what he himself and his staff say it is. I totally don’t get that.

380 William of Orange  Mon, Nov 25, 2013 4:13:31pm

Back in 2008 this was a floorfiller remixed by DJ Tiesto.

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