Not a Surprise: Donald Trump’s Ex-Wife Ivana Disavows ‘Rape’ Allegation

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Shortly after the Daily Beast brought out their story about Ivana Trump last night, I tweeted…

… because, well, I could see this one coming: Donald Trump’s Ex-Wife Ivana Disavows Old ‘Rape’ Allegation.

“I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald,” she said in the statement today. “The story is totally without merit. Donald and I are the best of friends and together have raised 3 children that we love and are very proud of.”

UPDATE at 7/28/15 11:23:27 am by Charles Johnson

I’ll just put this here.

Although the settlement remains sealed by the courts it is rumored that Ivana received $20 million, the $14 million family estate in Connecticut, a $5 million housing allowance, $350,000 annual alimony, all of her jewelry and 49% of Mar-A-Lago, the family home in Palm Beach which also serves as a private club for the Palm Beach elite.

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142 comments
1
Aunty Entity Dragon  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:19:35am

I knew this one was never going anywhere. Two loathesome people being loathesome.

2
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:19:57am
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:20:02am

I hadn’t realized the context of the statements. If I knew they were from years ago I probably would have ignored them as well.

4
Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:20:13am

Was it a legitimate disavowal?

5
jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:20:46am
“I have recently read some comments attributed to me from nearly 30 years ago at a time of very high tension during my divorce from Donald.”

“And I have 14 million reasons not to keep the story alive.”

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:22:37am

Ivana Trump

Although the settlement remains sealed by the courts it is rumored that Ivana received $20 million, the $14 million family estate in Connecticut, a $5 million housing allowance, $350,000 annual alimony, all of her jewelry and 49% of Mar-A-Lago, the family home in Palm Beach which also serves as a private club for the Palm Beach elite.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:22:45am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Was it a legitimate disavowal?

Is there a way we can know?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:22:47am

“I’ll buy a disavowal for 300, Bob!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:22:55am

re: #3 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I hadn’t realized the context of the statements. If I knew they were from years ago I probably would have ignored them as well.

The context of the comments is that they were made during the course of the divorce proceedings.

But, hey, it was 30 years ago, so go ahead and ignore them. Bill Cosby probably agrees with that plan…

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:23:13am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Maybe more than 14 million reasons.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:23:31am

The best disavowal money can buy!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:25:34am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i am looking forward to trump pouring contempt over the other gop front runners and telling them to get fucked

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:26:04am

re: #9 Backwoods_Sleuth

If she never pressed the accusations any farther in the intervening 30 years, we have nothing to go on. That’s completely different from the Cosby case.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:26:08am

re: #3 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I hadn’t realized the context of the statements. If I knew they were from years ago I probably would have ignored them as well.

Well, it was right there in my article, in the quote from the DB:

…his ex-wife Ivana Trump once used “rape” to describe an incident between them in 1989.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:27:12am

C.R.E.A.M.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:27:59am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

I was probably just skimming through and didn’t read thoroughly.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:28:08am

“30 years” is a bit of an exaggeration, by the way. More like 26.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:28:57am

i was rather gratified i must say to hear trump describe how walker has fucked up wisconsin

as long as trump is dismantling other republicans im happy to let him speak

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:29:04am

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If she never pressed the accusations any farther in the intervening 30 years, we have nothing to go on. That’s completely different from the Cosby case.

I would not characterize what we ‘have to go on’ as ‘nothing’. It differs from the Cosby case, but not ‘completely’.

20
jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:29:06am

The story was first told in a deposition, when Ivana Trump was under oath.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:29:17am

re: #7 wrenchwench

Is there a way we can know?

Nope.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:29:23am

re: #13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

If she never pressed the accusations any farther in the intervening 30 years, we have nothing to go on. That’s completely different from the Cosby case.

bullshit.

Go ahead and downding me again.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:29:59am

remember donald is essentially no different than a mafia don

dangerous for people who have been close to him to criticize him

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:30:05am

re: #20 jaunte

The story was first told in a deposition, when Ivana Trump was under oath.

Exactly - technically, she just admitted she committed perjury.

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:30:41am

And she’s not under oath now.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:30:50am

re: #22 Backwoods_Sleuth

bullshit.

Go ahead and downding me again.

OK. Gainsaying is not an argument.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:31:59am

Again, pure Machiavelli. Trump has nothing to lose by these allegations, but it opens the field to bringing up Bill Clinton’s indiscretions, which will rub off on Hillary.

Has Karl Rove take up with Trump?

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ObserverArt  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:32:15am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

“30 years” is a bit of an exaggeration, by the way. More like 26.

But “we” can bring up Monica Lewinski and the Clintons all the damn time because that was only 20 years ago!

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:34:41am

re: #20 jaunte

The story was first told in a deposition, when Ivana Trump was under oath.

Far from ‘nothing’. She was lying under oath then or she’s lying, probably for money, now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:35:57am

re: #29 wrenchwench

Far from ‘nothing’. She was lying under oath then or she’s lying, probably for money, now.

wimmenz always lie about that stuff and trick men all the time…

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:36:13am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

To bring up the bad old CLinton days (there I go again!), perjury had a standard in which the lie had to be subtantive, or made a difference in the court case. In Clinton’s case, it was a testimony for a case that was never heard in court, so it wasn’t actually perjury in the strictest legal definition (From what I remember after all these years). I think the same would apply for Ivana Trump’s deposition. The divorce was settled out of court, so I guess it wound up having no bearing on the case.

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:37:16am

re: #29 wrenchwench

Far from ‘nothing’. She was lying under oath then or she’s lying, probably for money, now.

I’m sure she feels no threat from Trump’s legal army./

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:37:48am

re: #31 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

To bring up the bad old CLinton days (there I go again!), perjury had a standard in which the lie had to be subtantive, or made a difference in the court case. In Clinton’s case, it was a testimony for a case that was never heard in court, so it wasn’t actually perjury in the strictest legal definition (From what I remember after all these years). I think the same would apply for Ivana Trump’s deposition. The divorce was settled out of court, so I guess it wound up having no bearing on the case.

‘Settled out of court’ does not mean nothing took place in a courtroom, nor that she wasn’t under oath in a deposition.

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:38:05am

She left him for a reason, I reckon. Being her bestest friend and father of her children didn’t keep her with him. Maybe he’s an abusive asshole?

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:38:31am

re: #34 allegro

What are the chances?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:38:33am

re: #34 allegro

She left him for a reason, I reckon. Being her bestest friend and father of her children didn’t keep her with him. Maybe he’s an abusive asshole?

she wasn’t woman enough for him

/

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:38:52am

re: #34 allegro

She left him for a reason, I reckon. Being her bestest friend and father of her children didn’t keep her with him. Maybe he’s an abusive asshole?

He traded her in for a newer model.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:39:00am

Just to amplify on the way I see the difference between Trump and Cosby, Cosby had an accuser who pushed back and forced him to testify, and later other people made charges and didn’t back off of them. In Trump’s case, the accusation was made originally and pressed no farther. I just compared the cases, and did not judge the accusers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:39:38am

re: #33 wrenchwench

‘Settled out of court’ does not mean nothing took place in a courtroom, nor that she wasn’t under oath in a deposition.

And a divorce may have settlement negotiations outside of court, but it is always finalized in a court of law.
So, yes, if she lied in her deposition, she committed perjury.

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darthstar  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:40:28am

You think you’re going to bring down a GOP front runner as YOOGE as the Donald? I mean, he’s got a direct article in front of his name for god’s sake…”the Donald”…you’re going to need something a little more unsavory than spousal abuse and rape. In the Republican party that only leaves raising taxes (which he hasn’t done) and protecting the environment (which he definitely hasn’t done).

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:41:13am

re: #33 wrenchwench

‘Settled out of court’ does not mean nothing took place in a courtroom, nor that she wasn’t under oath in a deposition.

Granted, but the testimony was ultimately immaterial because there was no court case. That’s the way I remember the talking heads discuss perjury back then. The false testimony had to had some effect on the outcome of the case (which didn’t happen because of the settlement).

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:41:34am

The Gathering of the Memes

Several stereotypes clash in this one:

Alabama Man Caught Having Sex With Pig In WalMart Bathroom

now8news.com

Needs more dry rub.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:41:40am

re: #40 darthstar

You think you’re going to bring down a GOP front runner as YOOGE as the Donald? I mean, he’s got a direct article in front of his name for god’s sake…”the Donald”…you’re going to need something a little more unsavory than spousal abuse and rape. In the Republican party that only leaves raising taxes (which he hasn’t done) and protecting the environment (which he definitely hasn’t done).

He does have plenty of flip-flops…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:42:27am

re: #41 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Granted, but the testimony was ultimately immaterial because there was no court case. That’s the way I remember the talking heads discuss perjury back then. The false testimony had to had some effect on the outcome of the case (which didn’t happen because of the settlement).

Of course there was a court case! People don’t just get to decide to be divorced without a court ruling.

Good grief.

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#FergusonFireside  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:43:18am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

The Gathering of the Memes

Several stereotypes clash in this one:

Alabama Man Caught Having Sex With Pig In WalMart Bathroom

now8news.com

Needs more dry rub.

oh my

Edit, then I click & see the mug shot.

day ruined.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:43:56am

re: #41 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Granted, but the testimony was ultimately immaterial because there was no court case. That’s the way I remember the talking heads discuss perjury back then. The false testimony had to had some effect on the outcome of the case (which didn’t happen because of the settlement).

Immaterial to who? We are not talking about a court case here, we’re talking about a candidate for one party’s nomination for president. It is material.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:44:26am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

The Gathering of the Memes

Several stereotypes clash in this one:

Alabama Man Caught Having Sex With Pig In WalMart Bathroom

now8news.com

Needs more dry rub.

“Dry rub” and “Sex” are two things I don’t like to think about together.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:44:45am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

The Gathering of the Memes

Several stereotypes clash in this one:

Alabama Man Caught Having Sex With Pig In WalMart Bathroom

now8news.com

Needs more dry rub.

The accused was heard to tell police, “But it was the pretty one!”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:45:42am

re: #39 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll admit I don’t what is filed with the court when there is a settlement, so I don’t know if all depositions are included. However, If the court accepts the settlement, it would seem to me that both parties have accepted the testimony supplied and are not contesting anything. That would make the accusations immaterial to the result of the case, and not perjury.
Besides, there is no way to determine whether she is lying now, or if she was lying then.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:46:50am

re: #48 Higgs Boson’s Mate

The accused was heard to tell police, “But it was the pretty one!”

Snug’ums.

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KGxvi  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:47:00am

re: #41 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

actually, the testimony likely did have some influence on the outcome of the case. most litigation goes through the discovery process, which includes depositions. once depositions are taken, cases tend to get settled - attorneys see how witnesses will be on the stand, they have testimony that is under oath, basically you have the best idea of what happened and what will happen at trial and you explain to your client why a settlement is a good idea and on what terms.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:47:50am

re: #46 wrenchwench

Immaterial to who? We are not talking about a court case here, we’re talking about a candidate for one party’s nomination for president. It is material.

I’m using “material” as a legal term, because I was discussing perjury. So I kind of WAS talking about a court case here. There are two discussions going on, one about a train wreck and the other about a court case.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:48:44am

re: #49 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’ll admit I don’t what is filed with the court when there is a settlement, so I don’t know if all depositions are included. However, If the court accepts the settlement, it would seem to me that both parties have accepted the testimony supplied and are not contesting anything. That would make the accusations immaterial to the result of the case, and not perjury.
Besides, there is no way to determine whether she is lying now, or if she was lying then.

Even though we cannot know which time she was lying, the fact that she has made contradictory statements does not go away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:50:07am

re: #52 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m using “material” as a legal term, because I was discussing perjury. So I kind of WAS talking about a court case here. There are two discussions going on, one about a train wreck and the other about a court case.

You are not discussing a court case, because you earlier said there was no court case.
What she is saying now directly conflicts with what she said under oath in her deposition, which is indeed part of the court case file.
You are trying to make this apples and oranges, when it is no such thing.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:50:15am

re: #52 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I’m using “material” as a legal term, because I was discussing perjury. So I kind of WAS talking about a court case here. There are two discussions going on, one about a train wreck and the other about a court case.

You have admitted that you are discussing the legal aspect from a position of ignorance. Don’t jump into the train wreck under similar circumstances.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:50:51am

re: #46 wrenchwench

Immaterial to who? We are not talking about a court case here, we’re talking about a candidate for one party’s nomination for president. It is material.

Material, but sadly will remain in the category of unsubstantiated allegation, disavowed by the accuser. That will give those who don’t want to believe it wiggle room to deny it, and worse, to accuse anyone who posted the story of trying to libel Trump - even though the allegations are not based on hearsay or ‘anonymous sources’, but rather pulled together from older sources.

My personal feeling? It’s of a piece with his personality. He’s about owning things and people, getting his own way, bullying, threatening. I don’t need this to find him a loathsome excuse for a man, because the rest of his personality points to this, including the way his lawyer responded to the reporters.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:51:34am

re: #53 wrenchwench

Even though we cannot know which time she was lying, the fact that she has made contradictory statements does not go away.

Absolutely, I was just discussing the perjury aspect.

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:51:54am

re: #51 KGxvi

actually, the testimony likely did have some influence on the outcome of the case. most litigation goes through the discovery process, which includes depositions. once depositions are taken, cases tend to get settled - attorneys see how witnesses will be on the stand, they have testimony that is under oath, basically you have the best idea of what happened and what will happen at trial and you explain to your client why a settlement is a good idea and on what terms.

Note that her settlement was YOOOOGE. Kinda doubt that was from the kindness of Donny’s heart.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:52:57am
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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:52:59am

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s of a piece with his personality

That’s where my belief comes from.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:53:04am

Hit the road Mach(iavelli), the big bad Rover is back in town:

Camille Paglia: How Bill Clinton is like Bill Cosby

these SOBs got some moves

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Chan Kobun  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:54:28am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

she’s a special person

Not touching that one!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:55:07am

In other state news:

Group ranks Montgomery as most sexually diseased city

usatoday.com

Upside: Montgomery reported no cases of venereal trichinosis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:56:00am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

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She can be Secretary of Eating Pizza With a Knife and Fork…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:57:09am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

In other state news:

Group ranks Montgomery as most sexually diseased city

usatoday.com

Upside: Montgomery reported no cases of venereal trichinosis.

“Squeal like Ned Beatty!”

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:57:12am

re: #59 The Vicious Babushka

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Like Special Olympics special?

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:57:17am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Hit the road Mach(iavelli), the big bad Rover is back in town:

Camille Paglia: How Bill Clinton is like Bill Cosby

these SOBs got some moves

Attacking Hillary by attempting to attack Bill is about the least feminist thing one can do. Must be a proud moment for Camille.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:57:24am

re: #42 Decatur Deb

The Gathering of the Memes

Several stereotypes clash in this one:

Alabama Man Caught Having Sex With Pig In WalMart Bathroom

now8news.com

Needs more dry rub.

Was there a spider involved?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:57:32am

And suggestions for the GOP alternative to Planned Parenthood just keep on rolling in:

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darthstar  Jul 28, 2015 • 11:58:39am

By the way…had an awesome paddleboard session in the harbor with my wife this morning. There are tons of mackerel and pinhead sardines in the harbor right now, so pretty much every brown pelican, tern, and seagull on the west coast is hanging out. We were paddling through a constant show of pelicans and terns diving into the water around us, popping up with a sardine in its mouth, and then chomping it down as it flew away (they do the funniest shudder as they try to swallow in flight…makes them look almost drunk). Of course there were the local harbor seals rolling and lolling about, but then I saw something new (and wish I’d brought the camera). I thought it was a bloated dead sea lion or maybe a large dog floating in the water…but as I paddled closer and got about twenty feet away from it, it lifted its head and looked at me as if to say, “What the fuck? Can’t you see I’m sunbathing here?” - friggin Sea Otter…I’d never seen one in Half Moon Bay before and didn’t realize how YOOOGE they are. Seriously, you could cover a recliner with one of those suckers. So yeah, I changed direction…I’m not going to have some big ass otter come knock me off my board. Beautiful creatures though.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:00:46pm

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

Was there a spider involved?

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Been waiting for you to show up. This popped up yesterday. It might be totally manufactured, but if I could get a good 16x20 it would go on the wall.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:01:18pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

You are not discussing a court case, because you earlier said there was no court case.
What she is saying now directly conflicts with what she said under oath in her deposition, which is indeed part of the court case file.
You are trying to make this apples and oranges, when it is no such thing.

While the accusation in the depositions may influence the settlement, unless it is presented to the court IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING FACT, it is not material. (I check with my sister in law to see if I had that right). In other words, there is no perjury until the testimony is actually used in court to determine what really happened.

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Kid A  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:01:24pm

So this new video has nothing to do with PP, even Fox got that part right. It has to do with an alleged ex “harvester.” There’s also a part in this STING!!! where someone allegedly picks up a fetus leg and yells “Five stars!!!” How much you want to bet the person that said that is the cretin that was secretly filming the STING!!!!?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:02:23pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

And suggestions for the GOP alternative to Planned Parenthood just keep on rolling in:

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Aspirin tablets. The internet never forgets.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:03:25pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

my sister in law

You know that title does not confer legal expertise?

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:03:32pm

HURR HURR SO HAPPY I MAKE TEH POORS GET SICK & DIE

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:03:58pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

You know that title does not confer legal expertise?

//

Is his sister in law in law?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:04:07pm

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

BTW has anybody noticed nobody ever tells men to keep their pants on?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:04:45pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

BTW has anybody noticed nobody ever tells men to keep their pants on?

Sister Mary Claver did.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:04:46pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

Is his sister in law in law?

I haven’t seen…

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:05:30pm
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Kid A  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:05:32pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

He has ZERO chance of the wingnut nomination let alone the White House.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:05:42pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

BTW has anybody noticed nobody ever tells men to keep their pants on?

So I guess all the men will have to have gay sex with each other.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:05:44pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Been waiting for you to show up. This popped up yesterday. It might be totally manufactured, but if I could get a good 16x20 it would go on the wall.

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Hard to say whether it’s made up, but there are women dervishes out there (at least, that looks like a young woman).

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:05:52pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

You know that title does not confer legal expertise?

//

She’s a general counsel for a particular department of the DOJ. Her next promotion would require confirmation, but she doesn’t want to go through that. She doesn’t want people to know any more than that.
EDIT and REEDIT - she said leave it like that. (She’s also a lurker)

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Kid A  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:07:57pm

I propose #270 and #246 to be attached to every tweet involving wingnuts. 270 is the electoral votes needed to win, 246 is how many the democrat candidate essentially already has locked up.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:08:01pm

re: #84 Dr Lizardo

Hard to say whether it’s made up, but there are women dervishes out there (at least, that looks like a young woman).

I checked into it after seeing the photo. One sect is definitely coed.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:08:24pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR SO HAPPY I MAKE TEH POORS GET SICK & DIE

So “I’m glad I did all I could to keep people from getting healthcare.”

He’s a bigger dick than Christie.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:08:29pm

re: #78 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

BTW has anybody noticed nobody ever tells men to keep their pants on?

Yes. But of course, you know we men can’t be held accountable. We’re unable to control ourselves around w omen wearing bikinis. Or short shorts. Or short skirts. Or long skirts. Or nun’s habits. Or a freaking Burka.

It’s up to women to prevent us from having sex. But if they do, they’re bitches. If they don’t, they’re sluts.

/////

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Mattand  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:09:46pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

My argument to that take on Trump is that, while drunk, he’s absolutely driving in the same direction as the rest of the pack. It’s just that Trump is being honest about what drives the GOP voter base, and using it to his advantage.

The rest don’t like being reminded about it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:09:47pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

While the accusation in the depositions may influence the settlement, unless it is presented to the court IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING FACT, it is not material. (I check with my sister in law to see if I had that right). In other words, there is no perjury until the testimony is actually used in court to determine what really happened.

Depositions (again, taken under oath) are also used for finding merits of a case. Even if it doesn’t go to a full blown trial with witnesses testifying on the stand (this may be where your “talking heads” familiarity with perjury is inadequate), it’s STILL perjury.

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:10:13pm

re: #72 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

While the accusation in the depositions may influence the settlement, unless it is presented to the court IN THE PROCESS OF FINDING FACT, it is not material. (I check with my sister in law to see if I had that right). In other words, there is no perjury until the testimony is actually used in court to determine what really happened.

Did she have to swear to tell the truth, etc. at the time of her deposition?

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:10:13pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR SO HAPPY I MAKE TEH POORS GET SICK & DIE

Because “exposing ‘taxpayers’ to Medicaid expansion” would….what?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:10:50pm

The Legal Definition of Perjury:

The common-law crime of perjury is now governed by both state and federal laws. In addition, the Model Penal Code, which has been adopted in some form by many states and promulgated by the Commission on Uniform State Laws, also sets forth the following basic elements for the crime of perjury: (1) a false statement is made under oath or equivalent affirmation during a judicial proceeding; (2) the statement must be material or relevant to the proceeding; and (3) the witness must have the Specific Intent to deceive.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:11:38pm

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR SO HAPPY I MAKE TEH POORS GET SICK & DIE

[Embedded content]

The projected increases for Wisconsin FAR exceed the national average and States that implemented exchanges and expanded Medicaid. He’s just straight up lying about the effects of his decision.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:12:38pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

The projected increases for Wisconsin FAR exceed the national average and States that implemented exchanges and expanded Medicaid. He’s just straight up lying about the effects of his decision.

My surprise, etc.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:13:10pm

Nobody’s ever going to prosecute Ivana Trump for perjury, but it seems pretty clear that if she’s telling the truth now, she committed perjury then.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:14:35pm

On the other hand, if she’s lying now, she didn’t commit perjury. And she’s not under oath, so there are no consequences for lying now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:14:38pm

When it’s a little plastic doll like the thing in this meme that anti-choicers throw at patients visiting a women’s clinic==>

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:14:44pm

re: #95 Varek Raith

Donald Trump’s adviser apologizes for saying it is legal for husbands to rape their wives

The toothpaste is already done squoze outa the tube. Too late now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:14:46pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Nobody’s ever going to prosecute Ivana Trump for perjury, but it seems pretty clear that if she’s telling the truth now, she committed perjury then.

Even though it has happened, people who lie in a deposition are rarely charged or prosecuted for perjury.

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Kid A  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:16:55pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

No 12-week fetus looks like that. What a dumbfuck.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:17:14pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

When is a 12 week old FETUS NOT A BABY?

When it’s a giraffe fetus?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:17:32pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

When it’s a little plastic doll like the thing in this meme that anti-choicers throw at patients visiting a women’s clinic==>

[Embedded content]

And it’s not even accurate.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:17:53pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

It’s that (2) part that I’m talking about. The problem is that there are no “ands” or “ors”. SIL says that perjury isn’t often prosecuted because of that. You really need an airtight case. For example, Ivana could conceivably walk back her testimony if it went into open court and she had to testify, and she could (or might not) clarify (or reinforce) what she said in the deposition. But the fact is there was no further fact finding, and the accusation was ultimately not material to the case. Nobody is going to bring a perjury case now, especially because in most cases the statute of limitations has expired (It varies from state to state, even criminal and civil cases).

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:18:34pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

“…this image isn’t a photograph of a real fetus. It’s a picture of a hand-painted resin doll crafted by artist Donna Lee and sold through the One Tiny Life organization for the stated purpose of using them in schools and pregnancy centers to educate prospective mothers”
snopes.com

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:21:16pm

Townhall, right on cue with the afternoon
agit-email:

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:21:25pm

re: #101 allegro

The toothpaste is already done squoze outa the tube. Too late now.

He showed himself to be stupid on a matter he has every reason to be knowledgeable about. This means he doesn’t care enough about his profession, nor about women.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:21:37pm

re: #106 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

It’s that (2) part that I’m talking about. The problem is that there are no “ands” or “ors”. SIL says that perjury isn’t often prosecuted because of that. You really need an airtight case. For example, Ivana could conceivably walk back her testimony if it went into open court and she had to testify, and she could (or might not) clarify (or reinforce) what she said in the deposition. But the fact is there was no further fact finding, and the accusation was ultimately not material to the case. Nobody is going to bring a perjury case now, especially because in most cases the statute of limitations has expired (It varies from state to state, even criminal and civil cases).

Are you personally privy to the facts of the case? How do you know FOR A FACT that there was no further fact finding and that her deposition was not material to the case?

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:21:56pm

re: #107 jaunte

It isn’t educating them on what a 12 week fetus looks like.

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jaunte  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:22:35pm

re: #111 allegro

They don’t want their audience going “eww.”

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:22:38pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are you personally privy to the facts of the case? How do you know FOR A FACT that there was no further fact finding and that her deposition was not material to the case?

Because they settled and the court accepted the settlement.

EDIT - like my SIL said, if the COURT has to decide the facts, and the lie interferes with the court’s fact finding, you’re in a world of shit. If you settle, and YOU present the terms and the facts to the court, the court doesn’t care.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:22:59pm

re: #113 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Because they settled and the court accepted the settlement.

That does not mean what you said.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:23:54pm

re: #113 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Because they settled and the court accepted the settlement.

That doesn’t mean anything about the statements made in depositions.

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Varek Raith  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:24:34pm

re: #112 jaunte

They don’t want their audience going “eww.”

I’m not saying it looks like an alien
But it’s aliens.
/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:25:48pm

Keyvan is back in the pages.

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Jayleia  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:25:50pm
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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:26:01pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

From my 113:
EDIT - like my SIL said, if the COURT has to decide the facts, and the lie interferes with the court’s fact finding, you’re in a world of shit. If you settle, and YOU present the terms and the facts to the court, the court doesn’t care.

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darthstar  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:26:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:27:03pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

That does not mean what you said.

I suspect the only one who really could bring this back to the attention of a court, and get her charged with Perjury, would be the party allegedly injured by the alleged perjury, and he’s absolutely the last person who’s gonna go there. Not speaking as a matter of law here, but rather as a practical matter.

So, whether it’s legally perjury or not, whether there was further inquiry or not, the practical effect is that it doesn’t matter.

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:27:33pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

Keyvan is back in the pages.

‘Stress-release’ downdinging?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:27:40pm

re: #119 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From my 113:
EDIT - like my SIL said, if the COURT has to decide the facts, and the lie interferes with the court’s fact finding, you’re in a world of shit. If you settle, and YOU present the terms and the facts to the court, the court doesn’t care.

And your point?
I’m sure The Donald would have just loved having Ivana on the stand repeating what she said in her deposition instead of settling quietly.

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:28:03pm

re: #118 Jayleia

[Embedded content]

So he’s claiming a belief that men are just rapists by nature.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:28:29pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

‘Stress-release’ downdinging?

More of his unsourced propaganda.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:28:31pm

re: #120 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Danielle and the lion’s den(tist)?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:29:30pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

And your point?
I’m sure The Donald would have just loved having Ivana on the stand repeating what she said in her deposition instead of settling quietly.

No doubt about it. Or he could dare her to prove it. Who knows?
The Donald wasn’t as crazy back then (I think)

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allegro  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:29:45pm

re: #119 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From my 113:
EDIT - like my SIL said, if the COURT has to decide the facts, and the lie interferes with the court’s fact finding, you’re in a world of shit. If you settle, and YOU present the terms and the facts to the court, the court doesn’t care.

What the court may think or do in a specific case has no bearing on whether one committed perjury or not. If she lied under oath it is by definition perjury.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:29:54pm

re: #124 allegro

So he’s claiming a belief that men are just rapists by nature.

Well, he considers himself to be a Man among men, so you can draw your own conclusions about what that means….

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wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:29:55pm

re: #119 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

From my 113:
EDIT - like my SIL said, if the COURT has to decide the facts, and the lie interferes with the court’s fact finding, you’re in a world of shit. If you settle, and YOU present the terms and the facts to the court, the court doesn’t care.

And if you lie much much later about a case you settled years ago, the court cares even less.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:31:53pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

And if you lie much much later about a case you settled years ago, the court cares even less.

With The Donald and Ivana, it’s all just business.

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ObserverArt  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:32:21pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

He showed himself to be stupid on a matter he has every reason to be knowledgeable about. This means he doesn’t care enough about his profession, nor about women.

And the people that TRUMP has attracted to his campaign only care about The Donald™ so they wouldn’t care about women or what his lawyer said. They just want The Donald™ protected.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:33:31pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

And if you lie much much later about a case you settled years ago, the court cares even less.

I remember an episode of some Lawyer show back in the 1960s, where a wife was on trial for murder, and her husband confessed, so she was acquitted. Then he recanted his confession and provided an unimpeachable alibi, so he was also acquitted of murder, though he was to be tried for perjury as the episode ended, with the defense team all standing around with a bad taste in their mouths for their role in helping the two of them get away with murder.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:33:35pm

re: #108 jaunte

Townhall, right on cue with the afternoon
agit-email:

[Embedded content]

When will Congress and the media accept our explanation of these videos and do what we want even though we’re lying our asses off about everything?

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ObserverArt  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:33:45pm

re: #111 allegro

It isn’t educating them on what a 12 week fetus looks like.

Which is exactly why they created that cute little bay-bee.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:34:26pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

With The Donald and Ivana, it’s all just business.

“Sorry about your father, Mike. It wasn’t personal. Just business.”

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:34:36pm

re: #108 jaunte

Townhall, right on cue with the afternoon
agit-email:

[Embedded content]

We know we’re bullshitting and that PP isn’t selling anything, but we’re just gonna keep repeating it all the same.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:35:33pm

re: #108 jaunte

Townhall, right on cue with the afternoon
agit-email:

[Embedded content]

here’s another video you should watch but allow us to interpret for you.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:38:29pm

re: #128 allegro

Charles posted a definition of perjury in #94. There is more to perjury than just lying. For example, you could say you were home in bed when the bank was robbed and the jury doesn’t believe you. You probably won’t get charged with perjury, or else every convicted felon who plead not guilty committed perjury.
Take a witness who recants her/his testimony. There is a lie somewhere. Maybe they were intimidated or bought off, or something else. Perjury is a very difficult case to make.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:42:52pm

re: #139 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Charles posted a definition of perjury in #94. There is more to perjury than just lying. For example, you could say you were home in bed when the bank was robbed and the jury doesn’t believe you. You probably won’t get charged with perjury, or else every convicted felon who plead not guilty committed perjury.
Take a witness who recants her/his testimony. There is a lie somewhere. Maybe they were intimidated or bought off, or something else. Perjury is a very difficult case to make.

And we’re left with the unsatisfying knowledge that there’s a lot of perjury, and damned little punishment for it, which is one reason why there’s so much. Still, one would not want to see everyone who skated around the edges of the truth get imprisoned for a couple years.

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jamesfirecat  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:43:47pm

re: #86 Kid A

I propose #270 and #246 to be attached to every tweet involving wingnuts. 270 is the electoral votes needed to win, 246 is how many the democrat candidate essentially already has locked up.

Assumption is the mother of all f@&k-ups.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Jul 28, 2015 • 12:46:46pm

re: #141 jamesfirecat

Assumption is the mother of all f@&k-ups.

Voter ID is just starting to come into force.


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