In Which Infamous Troll Chuck C. Johnson Stalks Michelle Fields in Cleveland

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Discredited white supremacist troll Chuck C. Johnson has been hanging around the outskirts of the Republican Convention in Cleveland, sans press credentials, looking for an opportunity to make himself the center of the story as he always does.

And today, since no opportunity was forthcoming, he apparently decided to manufacture one.

He recognized former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields on the street, walking with her fiancé Jamie Weinstein, and decided to follow and harass her, and have one of his cronies record it while he tried to provoke Weinstein into attacking him.

Then he actually posted the video of his stunt online, apparently unaware that instead of showing him being “assaulted” as he claims, it actually reveals him as an extremely creepy person who stalks and harasses women and films it.

Here’s the video he posted on YouTube tonight.

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The first words you hear in this video are “Is it recording?” as they get ready to stage their scene. Then they say “She probably went that way,” and Chuck takes off quickly walking to catch up with Fields.

Johnson turns around several times to make sure he’s still being filmed by his crony Mike Cernovich, who says at one point “I got you” to let Chuck know it’s all being recorded.

Chuck walks for about a block and a half before catching up with Fields and Weinstein, and takes off his red Trump cap as he gets close. Then, as Weinstein turns around and sees Johnson approaching them, Johnson looks back one more time to make sure the camera’s still on him.

After this he starts walking even faster toward Fields, and Weinstein gets between them and pushes Chuck away from his fiancée, saying “Get the fck away from us,” while Chuck tries to make a big deal out of it, saying “Jamie, did you just hit me?”

All this is going on while Chuck’s crony, “men’s rights advocate” Mike Cernovich stands nearby with a camera.

Note that Johnson has posted almost a dozen incredibly vicious articles at his blog attacking Michelle Fields, her aunt, her mother, and anyone else associated with Fields he could find. He’s been unhealthily obsessed with Fields for a long time, so there’s a background context to this incident as well.

I’ve seen creepy stunts by right wing operatives like James O’Keefe, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a transparent, obvious attempt at a set-up. And remember, Johnson is married. I wonder what his wife Berna Dette thinks of escapades like this?

This isn’t the first time Chuck C. Johnson has physically stalked and harassed people he sees as enemies; he did it to me last year, showing up outside an apartment where I used to live and posting photos on Twitter of himself standing outside the entrance.

Johnson has also taken photos of himself stalking the offices of Twitter in San Francisco, not once but three times now, and also posted a photo of himself stalking the private residence of Thad Cochran in Washington, DC.

Now he’s graduated to staging phony confrontations and trying to pump them up into “assaults,” when it’s actually Fields and Weinstein who should be seeking a restraining order against him.

And tonight, after staging this incident, Chuck Johnson posted the following tweet to one of the accounts he’s managed to evade Twitter’s ban with. It’s all a big joke to him:

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438 comments

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Jenner7  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:31:57pm

What a clown.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:32:22pm

Men are fiancés, women are fiancées, boss.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:37:46pm

While his HAW is in Fresno earning the house payment, Rage Furby is accosting people in the streets of Cleveland for the lulz. And publicizing it.

0_o

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jaunte  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:41:04pm
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whitebeach  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:42:15pm

Jesus Christ, this is the lamest and most pathetic attempt to grab a few clicks I’ve ever seen. Funniest part of it is that this suppurating anal cyst thinks of himself as an Alpha male.

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teleskiguy  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:43:06pm
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teleskiguy  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:45:19pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

I think Michelle Fields is a hack. I still wouldn’t wish UpChuck upon her in any way shape or form. UpChuck is … something else.

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Lidane  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:48:02pm

Sorry for the early OT, but what the actual fuck?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:49:47pm

Trump looks so weak right now. Granted, the vitriol on the GOP side far outpaced anything between Sanders and Clinton, but isn’t that also kind of the point. There was genuine acrimony between the two and Hillary still managed to cajole Bernie via party platform concessions into standing on stage next to her and endorsing her vociferously. She hired a lot of people and reached out, doing everything she could to earn the votes of all but the most bitter, hardcore Animal Farm brocialist dead enders, for whom nothing would’ve ever been enough.

Trump, in contrast, just shit all over his rivals, nonstop, earning their enmity in spades, and then made the colossal mistake of letting two of them speak without securing explicit pledges of endorsement beforehand. Now he looks like he’s been played, because he has. He looks like he can’t unify his party, because he can’t. He looks like an ineffectual, divisive, pathetic asshole, because he is.

Jolly good show.

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Kragar  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:51:47pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:51:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:52:26pm

re: #6 teleskiguy

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FYI “has your six” sounds a bit snarky. Unintentional I’m sure. She’s well aware that he’s stalking her.

re: #7 teleskiguy

I think Michelle Fields is a hack. I still wouldn’t wish UpChuck upon her in any way shape or form. UpChuck is … something else.

He’s a deranged psychopath.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:52:54pm

My sense is that Chuckie, Milo, and all their ilk feel like their moment has finally come, just like the admitted white supremacists do. This is a frightening, frightening time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:54:22pm

BTW, Chuckie - “Alpha Males” don’t stalk women and provoke confrontations for clicks. That’s what sniveling losers do.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:54:58pm

re: #13 Blind Frog Belly White

My sense is that Chuckie, Milo, and all their ilk feel like their moment has finally come, just like the admitted white supremacists do. This is a frightening, frightening time.

They’ve convinced themselves that Trump is going to win the election, opening the way for all the white alpha males to take over the country.

It’s all a fantasy.

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teleskiguy  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:56:44pm

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:57:46pm

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

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I’m really disappointed in Susan Hutchison. After watching her on the news all those years—when I watched the news.

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teleskiguy  Jul 20, 2016 • 9:58:25pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

FYI “has your six” sounds a bit snarky.

She wrote for Breitbart “News” so allow me to be a tad loose with politeness. ;)

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jonhendry  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:00:58pm

Hutchison: “She is the Executive Director of the Charles and Lisa Simonyi Fund for Arts and Sciences. She has led the $100 million foundation from its inception in 2003”

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Ia! Ia! Trump Ftaghn! (née Sophist)  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:01:41pm

re: #8 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but what the actual fuck?

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STRENGTH!

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:02:25pm

re: #18 teleskiguy

She wrote for Breitbart “News” so allow me to be a tad loose with politeness. ;)

Legit point.

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jonhendry  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:04:22pm

re: #8 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but what the actual fuck?

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Franklin Foer thinks Trump fits the mold of other people Putin has manipulated to gain influence over countries.

If the Russian president could design a candidate to undermine American interests—and advance his own—he’d look a lot like Donald Trump.

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Nyet  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:07:49pm

re: #8 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but what the actual fuck?

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Anybody who didn’t know that Trump is Putin’s candidate, raise your hands. ;)

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Nyet  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:09:09pm
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blueraven  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:11:52pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:16:06pm

re: #23 Nyet

Anybody who didn’t know that Trump is Putin’s candidate, raise your hands. ;)

Manafort’s probably helping negotiate a secret agreement between Trump and Putin to divide the world between them.

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:16:22pm

re: #8 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but what the actual fuck?

Ya know, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Russian speakers in those countries that need to be protected. Putin/Trump bromance in action. Trump likes him a strongman.

The fact that it would result result in an actual shooting war is beyond him. And it would. NATO would be destroyed if it didn’t.

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insert_funny  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:16:51pm

This is just pathetic. Donations must be down at both GotNews and WeSearchr to have to stoop this low for publicity.

Too bad being a sad piece of alt-right trash isn’t enough of an offense to get him a straitjacket and a padded room.

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Nyet  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:19:12pm

I’m pretty sure that every speech is pre-screened and that he gave assurances to stick to the script. Which confirms his moniker “Lying Ted”, even if, this one time, sort of “positively” .

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TedStriker  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:21:20pm

re: #26 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Manafort’s probably helping negotiate a secret agreement between Trump and Putin to divide the world between them.

Thing is, Trump’s a fucking sucker if he ever thinks Putin would treat him like an equal on the world stage; given the chance, Putin would rip The Donald’s still-beating heart right out of his chest.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:23:16pm

re: #29 Nyet

I’m pretty sure that every speech is pre-screened and that he gave assurances to stick to the script. Which confirms his moniker “Lying Ted”, even if, this one time, sort of “positively” .

There reportedly was no endorsement in the approved script, which is why Trump’s people told Cruz’s people that they’d orchestrate a booing campaign if he didn’t squeeze in an endorsement on the fly. Ted did apparently deviate and ad lib, pausing at times in ways that made some there think he might endorse, but he never did and never said he would. He strung them along the entire way.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:23:27pm
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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:24:09pm

re: #28 insert_funny

This is just pathetic. Donations must be down at both GotNews and WeSearchr to have to stoop this low for publicity.

Too bad being a sad piece of alt-right trash isn’t enough of an offense to get him a straitjacket and a padded room.

No, this isn’t pathetic.

It’s excellent! It’s fantastic! It’s the little shitstain at his anemic, insubstantial, and impotent best.

What a poor excuse for a human being. What a poor excuse of an XY chromosome pair. What a poor excuse for an advanced motile life form.

Although I will admit, he’s a damned good example of a functioning spirochete.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:29:25pm
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KGxvi  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:33:23pm

re: #25 blueraven

According to my Facebook feed, the Cruz speech was the first shot fired in a party civil war. Half of the conservatives I see loved it and now think Cruz is every dreamy thing they ever want. The other half think he’s a lying cheating SOB that needs to be catapulted out of Cleveland. More or less.

The half that love it are very much NeverTrump. I don’t have it in me to point out that the difference between Cruz and Trump is that Trump is just Cruz going to 11 (I’m sure I’d get the “Cruz is a real conservative, Trump isn’t really conservative!” line)

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:36:25pm

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:42:22pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:43:21pm

re: #36 KGxvi

According to my Facebook feed, the Cruz speech was the first shot fired in a party civil war. Half of the conservatives I see loved it and now think Cruz is every dreamy thing they ever want. The other half think he’s a lying cheating SOB that needs to be catapulted out of Cleveland. More or less.

The half that love it are very much NeverTrump. I don’t have it in me to point out that the difference between Cruz and Trump is that Trump is just Cruz going to 11 (I’m sure I’d get the “Cruz is a real conservative, Trump isn’t really conservative!” line)

I disagree with your last sentence. I’d say that the Never Trumps who love Cruz can tell that Trump doesn’t mean anything he says, and they likely know that he has NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT HE’S DOING! The NYT article on Trump’s Foreign Policy should cause anyone, but especially anyone on the GOP side, scream, vomit, and faint. The man’s talking about abandoning allies in the face of Russian aggression, for Christ’s sake! I mean, I know they wingnuts LUV ol’ Vlad Putin, but seriously?

So, while Trump’s speeches are Cruz’s policies turned to 11, his actual policy knowledge and proposals are the diammetric opposite of projecting strength.

I mean, he SAYS our allies don’t think they can trust us anymore, and then he talks about not coming to their aid. He says our enemies don’t fear us anymore, and then he talks about pulling our troops out of bases in other countries around the world.

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KingKenrod  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:44:07pm

HRC needs to jump all over Trump’s NATO comments and Putin bromance and hammer him on it relentlessly. Lots of older voters remember the cold war and aren’t going to like it one bit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:44:23pm

Hey BOSS! Twitter pics aren’t loading for me. Chrome on Windows 10.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:46:17pm
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vgranucci  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:49:12pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey BOSS! Twitter pics aren’t loading for me. Chrome on Windows 10.

Not loading for me either. Firefox on Windows 7

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Shiplord Kirel  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:55:32pm

Say what you will about Cruz, and we have said quite a bit, but he is neither timid nor stupid. It took some real brass to go right into the belly of the beast and give Trump the finger in front of his adoring (and notably ill-tempered) multitude. It is also a very astute political move. I think Cruz foresees the epic catastrophe that will befall the GOP ticket in November, current polls notwithstanding, and is very publicly distancing himself from it. This positions him perfectly for 2020.

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Lidane  Jul 20, 2016 • 10:59:27pm

I will never unsee this:

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austin_blue  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:00:53pm

Night all, sweet scaly dreams!

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are flying out west to Sodom and Gomorrah by the Bay tomorrow with her musical partner for some gigs over the next six days. I’ll be the designated driver and harp wrangler. Winter clothes will be packed.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:01:37pm

And the hits just keep coming…

CLEVELAND ― The revelation that Donald Trump’s business staff writer Meredith McIver wrote the partly plagiarized speech given by Melania Trump on Monday night raises questions about whether his campaign is illegally commingling corporate and campaign resources.

McIver does not appear to have any official role in the presidential campaign. Her letter acknowledging her role in the speech debacle appeared on corporate letterhead from the Trump Organization. And she is not listed as being paid by the Trump campaign on any available reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:02:39pm

Since Twitter doesn’t want to embed, I’ll upload this pic:

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BeachDem  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:03:04pm

re: #38 FormerDirtDart

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Good grief, Trump’s lawyer writes at the same butthurt junior high school level as Trump talks. Wah wah—stop saying mean things about Donald, and give us back all the money you earned because you’re acting like a poopyhead.

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Nyet  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:03:27pm

Is today the Groundhog day?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:07:08pm

re: #50 Nyet

Is today the Groundhog day?

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Every day is Groundhog Day—for him and Bill Murray, anyway.

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majii  Jul 20, 2016 • 11:49:17pm

x1re: #37 FormerDirtDart

What Trump said about not being sure he’d keep to the terms of the UN Charter tells me he knows jacksh*t about how the UN operates and doesn’t care. His supporters don’t care that he knows absolutely nothing about anything. He’s their “outsider,” and that’s enough for them. It doesn’t matter to them that their “outsider” would be a disaster as POTUS or that he’d harm U.S. relations with other nations.

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Nyet  Jul 21, 2016 • 12:14:14am

A progressive looks at the creepy Jill Stein:

m.dailykos.com

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Nyet  Jul 21, 2016 • 12:18:13am

re: #31 goddamnedfrank

May be what they want us to think.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 12:36:38am

re: #54 Nyet

May be what they want us to think.

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Shuster’s sources are in direct conflict with other accounts, including from Trump himself.

Like I said from what I gather he did ad lib at certain points, but reportedly there was never an endorsement in the original script nor the promise of one.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 12:51:08am
According to the source, the entire Cruz speech was cleared by the Trump campaign. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, expressly approved the speech at 4:30 PM ET. The source, who was standing on the convention floor at the time of the speech, said that Trump operatives were present, urging the crowd to boo. “This was orchestrated by the Trump campaign to make Senator Cruz a pariah within the party,” said the source.

In fact, the source added, a few hours before the speech, the Trump campaign had been in negotiations with Cruz for Cruz to play a larger role in the campaign, including advising on Israel policy. Minutes after the speech ended, the source noted, the Trump campaign instantly informed them that the offer had been withdrawn.

This is a classic psychopathic response. Trump can’t properly prioritize between the benefits of tearing Cruz down vs. building the GOP as a team up. He doesn’t care how much damage he inflicted on the brand or party unity with that stunt, he thinks he managed to embarrass and harm Cruz and in his view harming a rival is emotionally indistinguishable from personal success. This was just another Prisoner Dilemma test that Trump failed by chasing harm to others as its own reward.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 1:23:35am

“Madness! Madness!”

Madness

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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 1:42:01am

Someone needs to cut a huge check to the former cast of The West Wing and do a 10-20 minute skit with Richard Schiff going on and on about how completely FUBAR this convention has been.

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boredtechindenver  Jul 21, 2016 • 2:03:57am

re: #45 Lidane

I will never unsee this:

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I had this realization early Wednesday. Pence also looks like a smooth faced Orson Bean.

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2016 • 2:24:53am

It is still 80 degrees F here and finally a thunder storm is rolling in. I dread trying to sleep today…

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:03:01am

13 degrees cooler now, some heavy rain but nothing too bad presuming we don’t flood again like two weeks ago… O_o

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:24:20am

From Erick Son of Erick.

Multiple press outlets are confirming what I first reported from Cruz sources. Manafort did threaten Cruz that if he did not change his speech the crowd would boo. Cruz refused and Manafort organized delegates to boo Cruz. They booed before Cruz had even finished a sentence that might have included a endorsement.

They even booed Cruz saying “God bless America.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:29:12am

re: #42 FormerDirtDart

Secret Service investigating Trump adviser who said Clinton should be ‘shot for treason.

A different shot of his cap had subdued E8/E9 stripes on it. He’s also a State legislator, NH I think.

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Alyosha  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:34:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:38:55am

Amidst all the lunacy, here’s a musical interlude:

Alice Francis - St. James Ballroom (Official Video)

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Alyosha  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:43:01am

I was struggling to frame the above in a humorous fashion before I decided that even more than a century later, receiving a severed ear from a tortured but brilliant psychotic is about as funny as being stalked by a bearded and untalented sociopath yesterday.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 3:47:33am

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

From Erick Son of Erick.

LIES ONLY THE DEMOCRATS BOO GOD!1!!

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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:06:43am

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

This is a classic psychopathic response. Trump can’t properly prioritize between the benefits of tearing Cruz down vs. building the GOP as a team up. He doesn’t care how much damage he inflicted on the brand or party unity with that stunt, he thinks he managed to embarrass and harm Cruz and in his view harming a rival is emotionally indistinguishable from personal success. This was just another Prisoner Dilemma test that Trump failed by chasing harm to others as its own reward.

Trump could have also shifted the focus from PlagiarismGate to Pence’s acceptance speech, instead we now have process stories about Cruz’s speech.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:09:44am

Maybe the protesters will bring their A game today, and fire extinguishers.

ohio.com

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:10:21am

re: #43 vgranucci

Not loading for me either. Firefox on Windows 7

Nor on my iPad. But it is working on my work computer; Firefox Windows 7

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Ming5000  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:19:18am

re: #68 Timothy Watson

Still, on the CNN screen as I walked by this morning was a chyron something like “Campaign Writer Admits Milenia’s Speech”. Something like that. Anyway, it was funny that the plagiarism is still a hot discussion topic.
I know many say that they wished the media would focus on substance. However, the plagiarism story is the kind of thing I could imagine seeing in a people magazine feature titled, “Reasons Former Trump Supporters Changed Their Mind”.

Respondent: “I didn’t like the way Donald let Milenia down. She is too good for that!”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:31:45am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:35:32am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:36:58am

re: #68 Timothy Watson

Trump could have also shifted the focus from PlagiarismGate to Pence’s acceptance speech, instead we now have process stories about Cruz’s speech.

He’s the opposite of “no drama” Obama. Every fucking time lately where he could have enjoyed a positive news cycle he’s instead chosen to do something to exacerbate and extend controversy. Nobody really gave that much of a shit over Melania’s plagiarized speech, I mean it was a thing but it really blew up over his campaign’s refusal to simply deal with it honestly, or even label it for what it was. Instead of letting Pence have a good night and conveying a sense of GOP party unity he chose to try and humiliate Ted Cruz, who, as a laboratory experiment to crossbreed snakes with shit to create the world’s first slithering turd, is genetically immune to embarrassment.

Trump can’t win because he STILL hasn’t figured out that the general election is an entirely new beast, with a completely different set of operating rules and electoral math that demands a fundamentally different game plan. Which is the problem, he never even had a game plan to begin with, it’s just been a seat of the pants exercise in winging it and being the biggest asshole imaginable.

It’s worked until now because Trump was able to secure the nominating race purely by abusing the shit out of other, mostly white male, craven cock-knockers accustomed to the bully-toadie-victim pecking order. Cruz is just the only one who calculated, correctly or not, that flipping him the finger at the convention was the solid long term play. Everyone else either stayed the fuck away (Bush, Kasich) or found some way to come to terms with the new order, either tacitly accepting (Rubio) or actively sucking up to Trump (Christie, Carson.)

But now shit is completely different and not only can’t he pivot, he still doesn’t recognize the need to pivot. The National Convention was his one real shot at selling himself as a general election candidate, able to pull the GOP together and present a cogent image of a viable statesman, capable of smoothly handing an inherently difficult to manage event. He’s utterly failed at this task. Even if he somehow manages to pull off Day 4 seamlessly, and let’s just say I’m not exactly sanguine on that score, he’s already presided over such a clusterfuck of historic proportions that it can’t possibly make up the deficit.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:38:34am

The Good: The Donald loses the race for POTUS
The Bad: The Donald wins the race for POTUS
The Ugly: If the Donald is POTUS, the Republican Civil war that will unfold. The list is growing of the number of Republicans who probably won’t survive their primary.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:42:12am

Chuck’s blog has coverage of Chuck’s juvenile behavior, written by Peter Duke.

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William Lewis  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:50:49am

re: #72 Dr. Matt

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Sorry but that reminds me of the thinking people exchange

A supporter once called out, “Governor Stevenson, all thinking people are for you!” And Adlai Stevenson answered, “That’s not enough. I need a majority.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:51:44am

re: #73 Timothy Watson

“Just cooperate and you won’t get shot!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:54:42am

Michelle Fields and Jamie Weinstein should carry pepper spray with them. Next time Chuck gets close, nail him and his gang right in their faces.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:57:23am

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

Michelle Fields and Jamie Weinstein should carry pepper spray with them. Next time Chuck gets close, nail him and his gang right in their faces.

The idiots record themselves stalking and chasing Fields and her fiance, and, one could argue, approached them in a very aggressive manner from behind. They should have stood their ground. They would have been justified.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:57:27am

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

It’s worked until now because Trump was able to secure the nominating race purely by bullying the shit out of other craven white male cock-knockers accustomed to the bully-toadie-victim pecking order. Cruz is just the only one who calculated, correctly or not, that flipping him the finger at the convention was the solid long term play. Everyone else either stayed the fuck away (Bush, Kasich) or found some way to come to terms with the new order, either tacitly accepting (Rubio) or actively sucking up to Trump (Christie, Carson.)

But now shit is completely different and not only can’t he pivot, he still doesn’t recognize the need to pivot. The National Convention was his one real shot at selling himself as a general election candidate, able to pull the GOP together and present a cogent image of a viable statesman, capable of smoothly handing an inherently difficult to manage event. He’s utterly failed at this task. Even if he somehow manages to pull off Day 4 seamlessly, and let’s just say I’m not exactly sanguine on that score, he’s already presided over such a clusterfuck of historic proportions that it can’t possibly make up the deficit.

We still have the debates. I assume that tRump can’t/won’t bow out of debating Hillary. That is going to be another popcorn consumption fest for many reasons.

In the (R) debates, tRump attacked any and all people for real or perceived weaknesses. That is going to be a giant fail when confronting Hillary. She is extremely poised and quite used to being attacked in oral confrontations. tRump may be the ‘consummate showman,’ but he is incapable of dealing with pointed, on target discussion with any type of substance. The differences will be extremely apparent under that type of forum.

Now, whether his disastrous showing will sway ration people, all we can do is hope that it will. There is the 27% bugnuts insane fraction who will vote (R) no matter what, but there a still some sane people left in this country, I think. This country has a very large segment of anti-intellectual nutbars, but many of them have their own triggers that tTrump has, uh, triggered and made them unhappy. I hope. Maybe.

I kinda sorta expect some type of attempted bullying of Clinton on that stage, she will respond in a sane way with rebuttal (the RWNJ pundits will, of course, twist it in some misogynistic manner) and then I fully expect tRump to pull the scene from Nip/Tuck when Dr. Sean McNamara drop his pants to show off the size of his manhood to awe the group of doctors he is trying to impress.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:58:18am

re: #80 Dr. Matt

Absolutely.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:58:24am

re: #79 GlutenFreeJesus

Michelle Fields and Jamie Weinstein should carry pepper spray with them. Next time Chuck gets close, nail him and his gang right in their faces.

Put it this way: If they defended themselves against UpChuck and UpChuck got warrants out on them, I would gladly contribute $500 for a legal defense fund.

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 21, 2016 • 4:59:47am

re: #81 Le Lapin Tueur

Maybe Trump will make the Rick Lazio mistake.

First Debate Clinton-Lazio, 2000 - Part 6

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:03:54am

re: #81 Le Lapin Tueur

Yeah the other major obvious difference between general election debates and the GOP primaries Trump was able to dominate is the diversity of audience. The GOP primary audience is famously atavistic, they want a strongman and don’t care how much of a blowhard asshole he is. The general election audience far more interested in thinks like poise, preparation and actual knowledge of policy. She’ll be able to provoke him into saying something utterly disqualifying without even looking like that’s what she’s trying to do.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:05:17am

re: #84 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Maybe Trump will make the Rick Lazio mistake.

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All bets are off. I’ve said before I wouldn’t be surprised if he physically attacks and tries to bite her.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:09:19am
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Jayleia  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:09:47am

re: #84 Emptor scriptor Remorse

The who mistake? Because I think that’s the first time in 15 years that I’ve heard that name…

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Emptor scriptor Remorse  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:10:51am

re: #86 goddamnedfrank

Maybe Trump can leave an ash tray on Clinton’s lectern.

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Ming5000  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:14:32am

re: #84 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Maybe Trump will make the Rick Lazio mistake.

Ha. Lazio made a “Worst Debate Moments Ever” list

* 2000 New York Senate debate: The Senate campaign of Rep. Rick Lazio (R-N.Y.) all but collapsed when he walked over to former First Lady Hillary Clinton’s podium with a piece of paper and demanded she sign a pledge against soft money. Lazio came off as bullying and inappropriate.

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:16:28am

re: #54 Nyet

Hey Nyet,

I got that Hungarian letter translated:

August 25, 1946

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Pollak,

I’m writing to let you know that I’m well and healthy, and I am eager to hear from you. I am feeling very anxious that I haven’t heard anything from my family. I ask you to inquire about how my family is. From my uncle in Salgotarjan, (Horrom, Jenu?), about him I have heard nothing. I’d really ask you to please do some inquiries of anybody. And would you be willing to extend my greetings to them. About this family of Genricz and Lazar, I would especially like to send my greetings, together with our Jewish friends of Szigeti [now a town in Romania] that I am alive and well. I don’t have anything else to say. I hope it won’t be long before we see each other again. Till then, best wishes and kisses,

Cimi [unclear where she is from]

We never seem to be logged in at the same time, but I hope you find this.

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Alyosha  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:20:09am

re: #91 KerFuFFler

Kudos :)

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:32:52am

re: #91 KerFuFFler

Put it in a private to him tag and he’ll get an email.

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:39:48am

re: #93 MsJ

Put it in a private to him tag and he’ll get an email.

I tried that three times in former threads but I don’t know that he ever noticed.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:40:40am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Shuster’s sources are in direct conflict with other accounts, including from Trump himself.

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Like I said from what I gather he did ad lib at certain points, but reportedly there was never an endorsement in the original script nor the promise of one.

Halperin being his usual Trump asskissing self…

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:40:48am

Chuccubus gets savaged in the comments section of his post on this ‘story,’ A shitshow by every measure. This man has some serious issues.

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jeffreyw  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:41:40am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:42:35am

re: #59 boredtechindenver

I had this realization early Wednesday. Pence also looks like a smooth faced Orson Bean.

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Ah Orson the #1 supporter of Prop H8te here in California and whose deceased son in law was…Andy BreitFART…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:43:38am

This could get ugly

Edit:

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:46:59am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s blog has coverage of Chuck’s juvenile behavior, written by Peter Duke.

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GotNews “Editor”. I’m just having a chuckle here….

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:47:22am

re: #84 Emptor scriptor Remorse

Maybe Trump will make the Rick Lazio mistake.

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Reminds me of how GOP asskisser Tim Russert “moderated” that debate by his total deference to Lazio.

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fern01  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:53:55am

re: #81 Le Lapin Tueur

Trump will be debating Hillary and the media. If he manages to speak in sentences rather than 140 character phrases the media will claim he has done so well for a newcomer to the debates.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 5:58:05am

Note for the innkeeper: My sidebar ads have included Dinesh D’Souza’s new hatchet job film. Happened a couple times this morning.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:05:52am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

Note for the innkeeper: My sidebar ads have included Dinesh D’Souza’s new hatchet job film. Happened a couple times this morning.

Same here, Deb!

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:06:55am

Cruz is really giving Trump a run for his money in the Self-Serving Sweepstakes.

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Ming5000  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:07:25am

re: #105 De Kolta Chair

Who has the popcorn GIF? :P

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:09:28am

re: #101 Joe Bacon

Reminds me of how GOP asskisser Tim Russert “moderated” that debate by his total deference to Lazio.

And that is why the Clintons had Russert killed….

//

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:11:34am

re: #99 FormerDirtDart

Laws against driving a gas cylinder laden car into a police station just won’t work.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:16:37am

Caught Ted Cruz’s creep-fest of a speech. Man that guy would give the inmates in the psych ward at San Quentin the heebie jeebies. And while I was heading out to dinner and didn’t get to see the “analysis” of his non-endorsement (though the boos were good), I know it was not taken well by the Trump campaign as Newt Gingrich’s first three minutes were a lesson in damage control. He almost turned ‘vote your conscience’ into a positive slogan.

I’m glad he’s not Trump’s VP pick. I almost forgot what a good salesman he is.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:17:52am

Tonight we should all be out to keep the country’s dumpsters safe.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:18:05am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:18:09am

re: #109 darthstar

Caught Ted Cruz’s creep-fest of a speech. Man that guy would give the inmates in the psych ward at San Quentin the heebie jeebies. And while I was heading out to dinner and didn’t get to see the “analysis” of his non-endorsement (though the boos were good), I know it was not taken well by the Trump campaign as Newt Gingrich’s first three minutes were a lesson in damage control. He almost turned ‘vote your conscience’ into a positive slogan.

I’m glad he’s not Trump’s VP pick. I almost forgot what a good salesman he is.

Definitely. Newt would’ve been real trouble. Pence……not so much.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:18:17am

re: #99 FormerDirtDart

This could get ugly

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Sydney? Wouldn’t it be cylinders filled with petrol?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:18:42am

re: #113 darthstar

Sydney? Wouldn’t it be cylinders filled with petrol?

Natural gas.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:19:17am

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. Newt would’ve been real trouble. Pence……not so much.

Yeah, I watched part of his speech (as he was sold on the news in the afternoon as a great speaker) and thought, Oh, he’s just another asshole Republican politician.

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:19:52am

re: #113 darthstar

Sydney? Wouldn’t it be cylinders filled with petrol?

It would be litres, so not as much petrol and less boom boom. Plus the fireball would spin opposite than fireballs in the Northern Hemisphere.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:20:54am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Natural gas.

So he drove into the station and tried to grill himself?

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Bubblehead II  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:22:10am

re: #106 Ming5000

Who has the popcorn GIF? :P

Which one?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:22:44am

Is anyone else watching Cruz right now on CNN?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:23:42am

re: #112 Dr Lizardo

Definitely. Newt would’ve been real trouble. Pence……not so much.

OTOH, Gingrich has been out of government for more than a decade and amplifies Trump’s craziness. Pence seems somewhat more normal. Trump could have used Pence to “pivot” to an actual, real kind of campaign. There was a moment in time when Trump had a chance to go straight. But that’s not gonna happen now. Which is good for Hillary and probably better for all of us that Trump and his followers are seen for what they are.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:24:40am

re: #76 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Chuck’s blog has coverage of Chuck’s juvenile behavior, written by Peter Duke.

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Almost exactly how I said Rage’s gang would spin it shortly after the video came out testerday.

Link

Legally the long video does shut that down. But his followers will still say all Rage was doing was going to say something to her and he was jumped by her partner. And they will all have a twitter rage about it and life in Altmanville will march on to the next event.

So, so easy…

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Ming5000  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:24:59am

re: #118 Bubblehead II

This one always makes me smile. (just a picture. I don’t know how to upload GIFS. They always seem too large to upload)

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:27:12am
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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:28:19am
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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:28:49am

And here I thought this shit show was just coming to an end…

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:30:00am

Morning, Lizards!

I see while I was at the Jeff Beck show last night (he was great), all hell broke loose.

Good.

BTW - Seen Randy Rainbow’s latest yet? Pretty good.

Ya Got Trump Trouble! - Randy Rainbow Song Parody

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Bubblehead II  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:30:10am

re: #122 Ming5000

This one always makes me smile. (just a picture. I don’t know how to upload GIFS. They always seem too large to upload)
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Just click on upload image and select which one you want to upload. As long as it is 500k or less you shouldn’t have a problem.

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Archangelus  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:30:18am

re: #106 Ming5000

Who has the popcorn GIF? :P

Here you go :)

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:30:27am

re: #125 darthstar

And here I thought this shit show was just coming to an end…

It’s wild!

He wont forgive trump for the attack on Heidi & has cray father.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:30:29am

re: #125 darthstar

And here I thought this shit show was just coming to an end…

Oh, no, not at all.

This week’s shitstorm has been even more than I could have expected, given the wreckage of the past year.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:31:29am

If Trump gets a positive bounce out of this shit parade, even if only for one day from one poll, it will shatter my faith in the American electorate.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:32:22am

re: #125 darthstar

And here I thought this shit show was just coming to an end…

It’s like a nightmare…it just keeps getting worse and worse

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SoundGuy 2016  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:32:53am

Trump’s persona is a deal-making successful business man (Art of the Deal). The reality is a huge amount of deal making results in the other party getting the short end.

Business transactions are supposed to be mutually beneficial. With Trump, they typically aren’t.

And people want him to be president. Is this because they actually want others to get screwed, taken advantage of, come out the short end?

This guy is a shyster, a huckster, plastic as they come.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:33:05am
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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:33:42am

Greets and saluts from the #TedWedding. It couldn’t have happened to a worse party. Vote your conscience he said. That’s rich coming from a guy who has none, and thinks that helping America and honoring the Constitution is to ignore the Article 1 General Welfare Clause while spewing nonsense about how we need to restore a constitutional government. Merrick Garland couldn’t be reached for comment (as his SCT nomination rots in limbo for the longest time in the nation’s history because the Senate GOP refuses to do its job in advising and consenting - another Constitutional obligation of the Senate).

Perhaps, the best part is that Cruz’s speech and nonendorsement trampled all over the Pence speech, which means that Pence’s speech isn’t getting nearly the attention it should.

That means that we get to dissect what he said, and all his boisterous claims about the Indiana government. Pretty hilarious about how the GOP claims the economy sucks, but their states’ are doing fabulously well. Indiana among them, except that Indiana’s doing just average, and Pence’s idea of tax cuts is to shave the personal income tax from 3.4% to 3.3%, which means someone making $50,000 saves all of $85, while the state loses revenue to maintain roads, pay for schools, and all the other things that a government is supposed to do (which is the point - the GOP wants to starve govt and end it as we know it).

In fact, while the national unemployment rate is 4.7%, Indiana is at 5%.

More debunking of his claims are here and here (and includes the Trump campaign claims about how Pence has done).

Meanwhile, over on the Democrats’ side, looks like Hillary’s narrowing down her field of potential VP picks.

Among them apparently is NJ Senator Cory Booker.

I’m a big Booker fan, but don’t think he’s right for the job given that Christie is still governor and I think Booker needs to be in the Senate to give the Democrats every advantage they can get there (especially if the Senate remains close or flips to a narrow Democrat advantage). That’s one reason I don’t think the pick will come from the Senate.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:35:17am

re: #106 Ming5000

Pass the popcorn
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fern01  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:35:32am

re: #131 Sir John Barron

If Trump gets a positive bounce out of this shit parade, even if only for one day from one poll, it will shatter my faith in the American electorate.

Get ready to be shattered - the media is singing his praises - and the convention has had one theme for 4 days - attack Hillary.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:35:44am

re: #135 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the #TedWedding. It couldn’t have happened to a worse party. Vote your conscience he said. That’s rich coming from a guy who has none, and thinks that helping America and honoring the Constitution is to ignore the Article 1 General Welfare Clause while spewing nonsense about how we need to restore a constitutional government. Merrick Garland couldn’t be reached for comment (as his SCT nomination rots in limbo for the longest time in the nation’s history because the Senate GOP refuses to do its job in advising and consenting - another Constitutional obligation of the Senate).

Perhaps, the best part is that Cruz’s speech and nonendorsement trampled all over the Pence speech, which means that Pence’s speech isn’t getting nearly the attention it should.

That means that we get to dissect what he said, and all his boisterous claims about the Indiana government. Pretty hilarious about how the GOP claims the economy sucks, but their states’ are doing fabulously well. Indiana among them, except that Indiana’s doing just average, and Pence’s idea of tax cuts is to shave the personal income tax from 3.4% to 3.3%, which means someone making $50,000 saves all of $85, while the state loses revenue to maintain roads, pay for schools, and all the other things that a government is supposed to do (which is the point - the GOP wants to starve govt and end it as we know it).

In fact, while the national unemployment rate is 4.7%, Indiana is at 5%.

More debunking of his claims are here and here (and includes the Trump campaign claims about how Pence has done).

Meanwhile, over on the Democrats’ side, looks like Hillary’s narrowing down her field of potential VP picks.

Among them apparently is NJ Senator Cory Booker.

I’m a big Booker fan, but don’t think he’s right for the job given that Christie is still governor and I think Booker needs to be in the Senate to give the Democrats every advantage they can get there (especially if the Senate remains close or flips to a narrow Democrat advantage). That’s one reason I don’t think the pick will come from the Senate.

I’m reminded of what someone said after the Comey FBI press conference on Hillary’s emails when the House GOP followed it up by attacking Comey: Comey gave the GOP a pony and the GOP shot it in the face.

The RNC has been pretty much a continuance of that.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:35:59am
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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:36:00am

Nate’s adopted one of my favorite terms for the GOP.

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LastYearsMan  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:36:26am

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I’m really inclined to believe that the noise of this convention — the plagiarism, Cruz — were part of Trump’s plan. He said weeks ago that conventions are boring, and his background is in reality TV. I think he really believe that any publicity is good publicity.

Yeah, Cruz earned brownie points for speaking doofus to power. But Trump earned marks too for staring down his biggest enemy and saying “Yeah, sure, take your best shot … why not?”

Unfortunately, Trump needs help reaching out, not firming up his base. But I could imagine all this shite being a conscious choice, with Trump thinking it would help him.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:36:32am

hahahaha Ted is burning the house down.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:36:51am

re: #139 Stanley Sea

Trump: This is fine….

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:37:45am

re: #134 darthstar

Not for lack of the cop shooting him. The cop shot at him 3 times. He’s lucky he got out of the encounter with only a leg wound.

It could have been so much worse for him.

And I can’t wait for the GOP and right wing loons to claim that this was somehow his fault. Because they always do.

This also comes as the GOP claims that law enforcement is beyond reproach and that there’s a war on cops (both are indisputably false). Cops do a tough job and there are cops who shouldn’t be on the force because they abuse their power and put lives in danger. This incident is only the latest evidence that law enforcement is too quick to shoot, even when the circumstances don’t warrant it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:37:46am

re: #142 Stanley Sea

hahahaha Ted is burning the house down.

Talking Heads “Burning Down the House” ‌‌ - Bohemia Afterdark

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:37:52am

re: #132 Sir John Barron

It’s like a nightmare…it just keeps getting worse and worse

Nightmares are like a free horror movie.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:38:32am

re: #142 Stanley Sea

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:38:38am
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Frankie Five Angels  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:38:46am

Uh, do you really want to be associating with this guy?

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:39:36am

re: #149 Frankie Five Angels

She doesn’t care. She’s associating with Trump. Wilders is only a bit further down the spectrum towards madness.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:40:52am

re: #149 Frankie Five Angels

Uh, do you really want to be associating with this guy?

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No big romance. They’re just goose-stepping through the park together.

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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:41:54am

re: #111 De Kolta Chair

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Trump’s statement about NATO is the kind of loose talk that encourages stuff like Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait.

(Obviously not specifically the NATO part. Just the general ambivalence.)

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:42:27am

Shitshow.

Chris Christie will spew whatever fake outrage his masters instruct, like a trained seal barking for another herring.

Read more at: nationalreview.com

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:42:48am

re: #118 Bubblehead II

Which one?

Go industrial. There can never be enough for this election cycle!

You might even need to order two. I have a feeling this insanity is going to go on after the election when Trump does something really stupid.

2016 Election Industrial Sized Popcorn Supply.
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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:42:53am

re: #149 Frankie Five Angels

Uh, do you really want to be associating with this guy?

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She did a Nazi salute. On TV. Wilders is right up her alley.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:43:37am

Fun fact!

Las Vegas casino owner Phil Ruffin claimed Wednesday night in a speech at the Republican National Convention that Donald Trump “always pays his bills promptly.” Some contractors and workers who’ve done business with the real estate mogul say otherwise.

“I think he’s tough, smart, he knows what he is doing,” Ruffin said. “He always pays his bills promptly. You won’t hear that. Promptly. No discounts. Nobody lost any money on it.”

Yet in a June analysis, USA Today reported that Trump shortchanged workers out of thousands of dollars. According to the report, 60 out of 3,500 lawsuits leveled against Trump over the years were from workers who were employed by Trump and his businesses and alleged that they were shortchanged.

In addition, Trump’s companies have been cited for at least 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005 as a result of unpaid wages, USA Today found.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:45:08am

re: #148 lawhawk

This is why the Estonian president tweeted in a cold panic immediately after Trump’s interview appeared online: “Estonia is 1 of 5 NATO allies in Europe to meet its 2% def[ense] expenditures commitment.” The president, Toomas Hendrik Ilves, also noted that Estonia fought “with no caveats” with NATO in Afghanistan.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:45:42am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Poisoning pigeons in the park?

Tom Lehrer - Poisoning Pigeons In The Park

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:46:50am

re: #154 ObserverArt

Go industrial. There can never be enough for this election cycle!Image: 2016 Election Industrial Sized Popcorn Supply.

The Pentagon’s got our backs.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:46:54am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

No big romance. They’re just goose-stepping through the park together.

Speaking of which - was Laura Ingraham’s ‘unusual wave’ discussed last night?

Laura Ingraham Nazi Salute at RNC Speech

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:47:56am

re: #156 De Kolta Chair

Fun fact!

Have you seen the Hillary ad about trump stiffing the PIANO supplier to his casinos?

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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:48:42am

re: #131 Sir John Barron

If Trump gets a positive bounce out of this shit parade, even if only for one day from one poll, it will shatter my faith in the American electorate.

Never forget: “Solid blue” California elected Republican Schwarzenegger governor. In a freakshow election that had a 2nd rate porn star also running.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:48:46am

re: #155 jonhendry

Not that she deserves ANY fairness, but I don’t think that was a Nazi salute. It was a split second caught in a still photo where she was waving to people in the crowd. From most accounts (I know someone who met her in person at a restaurant, as a fan-ick-and she was an asshole to them-and drunk) she’s not a decent human being, she’s mean and hateful, and I am not defending her. She has a long enough record of being a complete ass, no need to jump on a still photo. They do this to liberal/democratic women all the time, catch a bad moment in a half second still and use it to show them as ugly. YMMV of course.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:48:59am

re: #160 makeitstop

The GOP shitshow just became the American Nazi party rally, complete with their fascist calls to imprison or kill the opposition party leaders (Hillary).

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:49:51am

re: #160 makeitstop

Speaking of which - was Laura Ingraham’s ‘unusual wave’ discussed last night?

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It was actually a speech gesture, but it created this image. It is attested to be real—no shop, bro:

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:50:44am

re: #162 Stanley Sea

Have you seen the Hillary ad about trump stiffing the PIANO supplier to his casinos?

That one’s a beaut!

hillaryupdates.com

Changed the link. Video stopped for me right after the beginning.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:51:28am

re: #164 A Mom Anon

Not that she deserves ANY fairness, but I don’t think that was a Nazi salute. It was a split second caught in a still photo where she was waving to people in the crowd. From most accounts (I know someone who met her in person at a restaurant, as a fan-ick-and she was an asshole to them-and drunk) she’s not a decent human being, she’s mean and hateful, and I am not defending her. She has a long enough record of being a complete ass, no need to jump on a still photo. They do this to liberal/democratic women all the time, catch a bad moment in a half second still and use it to show them as ugly. YMMV of course.

Dunno, Mom. It looked like a conscious pose to me - only because she starts actually waving after she does it.

I only knew about it because on an NBA forum I frequent they’re going nuts over it.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:51:53am

re: #156 De Kolta Chair

Fun fact!

Oh that old weird guy with the young wife is a casino owner?

great job GOP.

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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:52:16am

re: #164 A Mom Anon

Not that she deserves ANY fairness, but I don’t think that was a Nazi salute. It was a split second caught in a still photo where she was waving to people in the crowd.

I don’t buy it. I’ve seen the video. She clearly held it for a beat. Then she switched into a wave-and-point-point-point to the crowd. Her demeanor in that first moment of the salute is also more serious and intent than during the following wave.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:52:37am

re: #141 LastYearsMan

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I’m really inclined to believe that the noise of this convention — the plagiarism, Cruz — were part of Trump’s plan. He said weeks ago that conventions are boring, and his background is in reality TV. I think he really believe that any publicity is good publicity.

Yeah, Cruz earned brownie points for speaking doofus to power. But Trump earned marks too for staring down his biggest enemy and saying “Yeah, sure, take your best shot … why not?”

Unfortunately, Trump needs help reaching out, not firming up his base. But I could imagine all this shite being a conscious choice, with Trump thinking it would help him.

He sure does think that way. He has all of the old school huckster con tricks down. He’s been well practiced.

But he needs to control it. He will have no control on anything once this Republican convention is over. Now it is Hillary and the Dem’s control for the next cycle. I hope Trump remembers you want to be last.

Then after the Democratic National Convention, the National media and we the people take over.

Trump will try to do stuff that gets him attention, but I think it will come out desperate because it is in a public arena he’s never really had to deal with.

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LastYearsMan  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:54:05am

So much stupid shit, so much noise. But, really, they’re mostly distractions. What really matters is: 1) We’re seriously talking about jailing and executing a political opponent, and 2) We wants to pull draw back from NATO?

I hate to recommend Jeff Goldberg, but his new article is spot on.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:55:26am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

It was actually a speech gesture, but it created this image. It is attested to be real—no shop, bro:

Image, this time:

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:55:30am

re: #159 De Kolta Chair

The Pentagon’s got our backs.

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Thanks! I was wondering where I could get bulk butter.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:56:56am

re: #171 ObserverArt

He sure does think that way. He has all of the old school huckster con tricks down. He’s been well practiced.

But he needs to control it. He will have no control on anything once this Republican convention is over. Now it is Hillary and the Dem’s control for the next cycle. I hope Trump remembers you want to be last.

Then after the Democratic National Convention, the National media and we the people take over.

Trump will try to do stuff that gets him attention, but I think it will come out desperate because it is in a public arena he’s never really had to deal with.

This convention, at least what I’ve read of it, reassures me that this talking yam won’t ever be president.

Of course I didn’t think he’d be the GOP nominee either….

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:57:26am

re: #168 makeitstop

I’ve probably done that waving at people in the distance too at some point. Again, not defending her, cannot at all STAND her. Now, if someone could show a pattern of behavior where she’s done this more than a couple of times, I’d gladly retract what I said.

I just think what she had to say was far worse than a blip on camera. This is what happens all the time, optics are all that gets the focus and then the message is diluted. This RNC hot mess is, quite frankly, terrifying and picking on these types of moments while ignoring what this evil little shit has to say is a mistake. The message without that outstretched arm is more important, IMO. Again, YMMV

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:57:40am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

Was a casino owner four or five bankruptcies ago.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:59:07am

re: #128 Archangelus

Here you go :)

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Oh that’s not enough for tonight!

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:59:15am

Someone is trying to suck all of the oxygen out of Trump’s big day…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 6:59:22am

re: #177 De Kolta Chair

Was a casino owner four or five bankruptcies ago.

Oh, he’s had multiple bankruptcies, too, just like Trump?

Moar better greatness, GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:00:21am

re: #176 A Mom Anon

I’ve probably done that waving at people in the distance too at some point. Again, not defending her, cannot at all STAND her. Now, if someone could show a pattern of behavior where she’s done this more than a couple of times, I’d gladly retract what I said.

I just think what she had to say was far worse than a blip on camera. This is what happens all the time, optics are all that gets the focus and then the message is diluted. This RNC hot mess is, quite frankly, terrifying and picking on these types of moments while ignoring what this evil little shit has to say is a mistake. The message without that outstretched arm is more important, IMO. Again, YMMV

I believe it was an accident, just Fate, Karma, Justice, or her own twisted subconscious fucking her. She’s Scott Walker’s biggest fangirl, so her suffering is low on my list of concerns.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:00:37am

re: #176 A Mom Anon

I’ve probably done that waving at people in the distance too at some point. Again, not defending her, cannot at all STAND her. Now, if someone could show a pattern of behavior where she’s done this more than a couple of times, I’d gladly retract what I said.

I just think what she had to say was far worse than a blip on camera. This is what happens all the time, optics are all that gets the focus and then the message is diluted. This RNC hot mess is, quite frankly, terrifying and picking on these types of moments while ignoring what this evil little shit has to say is a mistake. The message without that outstretched arm is more important, IMO. Again, YMMV

Yeah, can’t stand Ingraham, but not going to make a federal case of this. The content of her speech, essentially demanding Cruz bow and lick Trump’s ring far more disturbing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:00:49am

Good morning. I see embedded Tweets are still borked.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:00:58am

Misogyny and the GOP - it’s baked in.

Gov. Christie doesn’t think there are women’s issues. This is the same BS line of thinking that gives you all lives matter as a retort to the BLM.

Don’t think that women aren’t paying attention. They are.

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:02:58am

My wife woke up, saw I was on my computer, said “The Trump kids look like Slytherin” and went back to sleep.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:06:29am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

I believe it was an accident, just Fate, Karma, Justice, or her own twisted subconscious fucking her. She’s Scott Walker’s biggest fangirl, so her suffering is low on my list of concerns.

I think she realized too late what her first gesture would imply, and quickly changed to waving and pointing as a cover.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:07:18am

re: #177 De Kolta Chair

Was a casino owner four or five bankruptcies ago.

Shocking that a business built on booze, hookers, and gambling so rarely turns a taxable profit.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:07:47am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Image, this time:

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Fox “news” and the conservative media would be foaming at the mouth if this happened at the DNC.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:07:47am

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

You mean the booed GOD????

///

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:09:05am

Is that image of Trump and Ingraham heiling each other real? If it is, there’s not much room for doubt about what she was doing.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:09:23am

re: #188 Dr. Matt

Fox “news” and the conservative would be foaming at the mouth if this happened at the DNC.

Hillary’s perfidy drove Ingraham to it.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:09:36am

re: #137 fern01

Get ready to be shattered - the media is singing his praises - and the convention has had one theme for 4 days - attack Hillary.

I am putting $5 down that Hillary gets a bump from the GOP convention.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:09:53am

re: #164 A Mom Anon

Not that she deserves ANY fairness, but I don’t think that was a Nazi salute. It was a split second caught in a still photo where she was waving to people in the crowd. From most accounts (I know someone who met her in person at a restaurant, as a fan-ick-and she was an asshole to them-and drunk) she’s not a decent human being, she’s mean and hateful, and I am not defending her. She has a long enough record of being a complete ass, no need to jump on a still photo. They do this to liberal/democratic women all the time, catch a bad moment in a half second still and use it to show them as ugly. YMMV of course.

To me the actual video is more damning than the still. This was not just a raise hand to wave. It was deliberate, snap to salute.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:10:17am

re: #190 Skip Intro

Is that image of Trump and Ingraham heiling each other real? If it is, there’s not much room for doubt about what she was doing.

It’s real for a half-second, but probably just one of those happy accidents.

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Kryptik: Just Done With It.  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:10:49am

re: #184 lawhawk

Misogyny and the GOP - it’s baked in.

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Gov. Christie doesn’t think there are women’s issues. This is the same BS line of thinking that gives you all lives matter as a retort to the BLM.

Don’t think that women aren’t paying attention. They are.

Yep. Pretend it’s a totally even playing field so you can blame the other side when they don’t reach the absurd standard. The easiest way to diminish someone’s disadvantages is to pretend they don’t exist or they don’t matter. That way, if they fail at something it’s their own damn fault and how dare you punish US for their failings by giving THEM ‘special treatment’.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:12:19am

re: #149 Frankie Five Angels

Uh, do you really want to be associating with this guy?

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Can I speculate and say Yes!?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:14:58am

Hey you know that meme where wingnuts claim HURR HURR TEH DEMOCRATS BOOED G-D!!!!!!

Well here is a video of REPUBLICANS AS THEY BOO THE MENTION OF G-D. Enjoy.

Ted Cruz booed by RNC crowd

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:18:10am

Anyone having global problems with Chrome? It has been very, very slow and laggy. I’m actually switched to IE and not having problems.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:18:31am
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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:19:11am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

This morning RCP reports Hillary has gained 0.1 in the polls.

And that’s just by staying out of the news for a few days.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:19:17am

re: #194 Decatur Deb

It’s real for a half-second, but probably just one of those happy accidents.

Yep. And you know what happens with some of those happy second images. They live on forever.

I don’t watch any Fox and I sure as hell don’t listen to wingnut radio but I bet she is going to be working real hard to blame that image on people making more of it then there was. Just like she does to everything every day about images and situations that look like something they are not.

The fun thing about this GOP convention is a lot of asses are being exposed. They just can’t help themselves.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:20:48am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Sorry Sir John, I thought you meant Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:21:57am

re: #202 ObserverArt

Yep. And you know what happens with some of those happy second images. They live on forever.

I don’t watch any Fox and I sure as hell don’t listen to wingnut radio but I bet she is going to be working real hard to blame that image on people making more of it then there was. Just like she does to everything every day about images and situation that look like something they are not.

The fun thing about this GOP convention is a lot of asses are being exposed. They just can’t help themselves.

Some of that is the consequence of framing an American convention with stagesetting fit for a Nuremberg rally.

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fern01  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:22:26am

re: #192 MsJ

I am putting $5 down that Hillary gets a bump from the GOP convention.

I’ll happily pay that 5 times over if you are right

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:23:39am

re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

This morning RCP reports Hillary has gained 0.1 in the polls.

One of these things is not like the others.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:24:01am

re: #199 Dr. Matt

Anyone having global problems with Chrome? It has been very, very slow and laggy. I’m actually switched to IE and not having problems.

Some days it seems Chrome just does whatever it wants, and then it goes back to being decent. One thing to do is make sure you shut it down after a lot of browsing and also restart your computer from time to time.

I particularly like it when some sound from a video clip viewed earlier and now not even in the damn open tabs any longer decides it is time to blurt out for a few seconds. That scared the crap out of me the first time it happened.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:24:15am

re: #201 darthstar

And that’s just by staying out of the news for a few days.

That must come from the LOCK HER UP chants at the RNC.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:25:23am

re: #205 fern01

I’ll happily pay that 5 times over if you are right

See re: #198 The Vicious Babushka

This morning RCP reports Hillary has gained 0.1 in the polls.

Fastest $25 evah!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:25:29am

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

That must come from the LOCK HER UP chants at the RNC.

(Actually just drift from the way RCP cycles their polls.)

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:26:45am

Hmm, what candy should I have to celebrate National Junk Food Day after my deep dental cleaning this morning?

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:26:46am

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

That must come from the LOCK HER UP chants at the RNC.

I think they underestimated that a lot of people actually watched at least part, if not all, of the 11 hour GOP witch hunt that showed Clinton being nothing but poised, forthcoming and open.

They really do live in a bubble of their own making.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:29:44am

re: #206 MsJ

If you go with the gymnastics approach of throwing out the high and low scores (as they’d be outliers), it looks even better…

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darthstar  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:30:45am

Working from home today and sigining my refi paperwork (It’ll be nice lowering my mortgage by $1200 a month - no more PMI and it won’t be an FHA loan anymore…plus a 1% drop in rate).

But WFH means only one thing to Banjo…we’ve missed the normal walk time so you gotta take me to the beach! Smart dog.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:33:33am

re: #213 lawhawk

If you go with the gymnastics approach of throwing out the high and low scores (as they’d be outliers), it looks even better…

HRC will seem to drop as that 11% outlier falls out of the selection unless it’s replaced (not likely) by one as high. Fact is, the polling dates listed don’t pick up any real measure of the RNCon timeframe.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:35:24am

re: #176 A Mom Anon

I’ve probably done that waving at people in the distance too at some point. Again, not defending her, cannot at all STAND her. Now, if someone could show a pattern of behavior where she’s done this more than a couple of times, I’d gladly retract what I said.

I just think what she had to say was far worse than a blip on camera. This is what happens all the time, optics are all that gets the focus and then the message is diluted. This RNC hot mess is, quite frankly, terrifying and picking on these types of moments while ignoring what this evil little shit has to say is a mistake. The message without that outstretched arm is more important, IMO. Again, YMMV

Understood. What I saw of her speech was pretty slimy. And her sarcasm grates after about 3 seconds. Some people do sarcasm well. Ingraham just comes off as relentlessly mean - which we knew already from her history, when she and Dinesh D’Souza used their college newspaper to out gay students.

But I’m looking at this convention, and this party, as a whole. Every single one of them is way too comfortable with the trappings of fascism. And what they’re implying is as important a message as what they’re actually saying, IMO.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:36:11am

The idiot Sarah Palin, who quit her job as governor, is whining about broken pledges to voters:

Turns out Ted Cruz’s partner, Carly Fiorina, had a more graceful exit from the political stage than he had.

Cruz’s broken pledge to support the will of the people tonight was one of those career-ending “read my lips” moments. I guarantee American voters took notice and felt more unsettling confirmation as to why we don’t much like typical politicians because they campaign one way, but act out another way. That kind of political status quo has got to go because it got us into the mess we’re in with America’s bankrupt budgets and ramped up security threats.

It’s commonplace for politicians to disbelieve their word is their bond, as evidenced by Cruz breaking his promise to endorse his party’s nominee, evidently thinking whilst on the convention stage, “At this point, what difference does it make?” We’ve been burned so horribly by that attitude that voters won’t reward politicians pulling that “what difference does it make” stunt again. Politicians will see — it makes all the difference in the world to us.

Talk about living life in a vacuum.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:37:28am

re: #217 Dr. Matt

The idiot Sarah Palin, who quit her job as governor, is whining about broken pledges to voters:

Talk about living life in a vacuum.

There’s no way Palin wrote that. It’s too coherent.

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:38:18am

So, according to Morning Joe, everything that happened was good for Trump. This is the new “This is good news for John McCain”.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:41:33am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

There’s no way Palin wrote that. It’s too coherent.

Subjects and verbs bein’ all agreeable….

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:43:04am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

Subjects and verbs bein’ all agreeable….

I bow to her expertise. If anyone knows about career-ending….

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:43:11am

THE JUSTICES WILL DESTROY US ALL!!!!

Hahaha. This guy is the nominee. What a clown.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:45:02am

Tonight’s theme is “Making America One,” which is just plain sad. Which side wants justices who will tear away hard-won civil rights and liberties?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:45:59am
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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:46:27am

re: #216 makeitstop

Understood. What I saw of her speech was pretty slimy. And her sarcasm grates after about 3 seconds. Some people do sarcasm well. Ingraham just comes off as relentlessly mean - which we knew already from her history, when she and Dinesh D’Souza used their college newspaper to out gay students.

But I’m looking at this convention, and this party, as a whole. Every single one of them is way too comfortable with the trappings of fascism. And what they’re implying is as important a message as what they’re actually saying, IMO.

Whut? I never heard that bit. Gonna have to look that up.

So, I saw you got to see Beck last night. Cool. Did he bring any other guests along to sing like he sometimes does?

Also, was Tal Wilkenfeld still playing bass with him, or someone else?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:46:35am

re: #218 Dr Lizardo

There’s no way Palin wrote that. It’s too coherent.

Considering plagiarism and ghostwriters are 100% acceptable when a republican does it, it is not a stretch of the imagination that someone else wrote it. Perhaps it was Branch Palin, or Bucket Palin, or Snow Tire Palin??

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:47:36am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

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Exhibit #64 in Trump’s list of things that would end any normal presidential campaign.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:48:07am

The right wing media would have absolutely destroyed a Democrat if they’d said this. But because Trump, they’ve absolutely ignored all of it.

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:48:30am

Still not embedding tweets on my end.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:49:01am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Exhibit #64 in Trump’s list of things that would end any normal presidential campaign.

Every batcrap insane thing Trump says or does maintains or increases his standing among the GOP core. They don’t care.

Everyone else should take heed.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:49:44am

re: #223 Barefoot Grin

Tonight’s theme is “Making America One,”

One what?

And despite the labelling, I expect a full evening Benghazi/email/Lucifer shots at Hillary. It’s the only note they’ve got and they’re gonna sing the fuck out of it.

And Trump? He’ll go way off-script and spend a good part of his speech trying to get back at Cruz for pissing on his coronation cake. Won’t be able to restrain himself.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:49:49am

“Lock her up” is an even more pathetic meme than the RNC 2012’s “You didn’t build that”

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:49:57am

re: #148 lawhawk

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Is it just me, or isn’t what Drumpf is doing awfully close to treason?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:51:30am

re: #229 Jenner7

Still not embedding tweets on my end.

Nope

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:51:42am

re: #230 lawhawk

Every batcrap insane thing Trump says or does maintains or increases his standing among the GOP core. They don’t care.

Everyone else should take heed.

Would they call it a “re-education camp” if we just sent 20% of our adults back to Highschool Civics for a semester?

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:52:40am

re: #152 jonhendry

Trump’s statement about NATO is the kind of loose talk that encourages stuff like Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait.

(Obviously not specifically the NATO part. Just the general ambivalence.)

You’re absolutely right.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:53:08am

re: #233 Teukka

Is it just me, or isn’t what Drumpf is doing awfully close to treason?

If it comes to that, the ballerina/ghostwriter will just have to take another one for the team.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:53:25am

re: #152 jonhendry

Trump’s statement about NATO is the kind of loose talk that encourages stuff like Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait.

(Obviously not specifically the NATO part. Just the general ambivalence.)

And I come from a nation which Russia is lusting after. Not fun.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:53:33am

re: #230 lawhawk

Every batcrap insane thing Trump says or does maintains or increases his standing among the GOP core. They don’t care.

Everyone else should take heed.

Even scarier, the news media pick them up and discuss them as if they were normal utterances from qualified candidates…

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:55:27am

Just started reading the NYT interview with Trump. My. god.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:58:24am

re: #225 ObserverArt

Whut? I never heard that bit. Gonna have to look that up.

So, I saw you got to see Beck last night. Cool. Did he bring any other guests along to sing like he sometimes does?

Also, was Tal Wilkenfeld still playing bass with him, or someone else?

Beck was, as always, just amazing. When it comes to guitarists, there’s him and then there’s everybody else. As many times as I’ve seen him, I always end up asking ‘How in the world is he doing that?’

Tal is no longer with the band. But he’s got Esperanza Spalding back, and she is rock solid. The drummer (dunno who he was) was really good, and he’s got a singer named Rosie Bones (from a UK band called Bones) who did the new album with him. The rhythm guitarist is also from Bones.

Jimmy Hall from Wet Willie came out to sing 3 or 4 songs and played harp. He knocked Sam Cooke’s ‘A Change Is Gonna Come’ way out of the park.

His rig was pretty usual for him - Marshall JCM 800 and a Magnatone Super 59, which had a custom ‘Becktone’ name plate. And he’s playing a Strat with a lefty headstock this time, with detours to a Tele for two songs and a cigar box guitar for slide.

When Beck comes ot, I pay very close attention. :)

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 7:58:49am

re: #240 Jenner7

Just started reading the NYT interview with Trump. My. god.

Link?

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:00:11am

Well, one delegate at the convention defended why he would never vote for Trump:

“I wouldn’t support a man who congratulated a Chinese dictator on how he handled the protesters in Tiananmen Square and called them troublemakers. Even Hillary Clinton wouldn’t say that! She wouldn’t even think it!”

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:01:01am

re: #233 Teukka

Is it just me, or isn’t what Drumpf is doing awfully close to treason?

Every so often I have the thought that he and Putin have a deal worked out to join up and conquer the world. Then he could own half of everything.

And that’s treasonous in my book.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:03:37am

re: #244 makeitstop

Every so often I have the thought that he and Putin have a deal worked out to join up and conquer the world. Then he could own half of everything.

And that’s treasonous in my book.

I’m having the same thoughts myself, they’re carving up the world between them. And aye, treasonous, if not by the letter of law, then in spirit of law.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:04:32am

re: #241 makeitstop

I saw Beck back in the early 2000s and it remains one of my favorite shows of all time.

The best part was when the band “took a break” on stage with a fully-outfitted dining table, which they promptly turned into a musical instrument.

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:11:00am

re: #242 Teukka

nytimes.com

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blueraven  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:12:02am

I know tweets are not embedding properly (get it together Twitter!) so….
Goldberg goes there.

It’s Official: Hillary Clinton Is Running Against Vladimir Putin

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:12:45am

I’m afraid to ask, but is there some sort of symbolism behind Rage Furby’s “ok” hand sign? Nearly every picture of him at the RNC has him flashing the same pose.

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blueraven  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:14:45am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

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I’m afraid to ask, but is there some sort of symbolism behind Rage Furby’s “ok” hand sign? Nearly every picture of him at the RNC has him flashing the same pose.

It means I have a tiny dick, so I act like a child. Look at me! /

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:15:37am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

He’s flashing gang signs…. /

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BlackPearl  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:16:45am

re: #249 Dr. Matt

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I’m afraid to ask, but is there some sort of symbolism behind Rage Furby’s “ok” hand sign? Nearly every picture of him at the RNC has him flashing the same pose.

If you google “alt right ok sign” about halfway down there’s this result

Breitbart’s Milo Says It Is Okay for Grown Men to Sodomize Boys
renegadetribune.com
May 29, 2016 - You will notice he is doing his signature “OK” hand sign, which … a shirt that is sold by The Right Stuff, which is a leading outlet for the Alt Right, …

Which my work network won’t let me access - which I AM FINE with, tho a bit curious.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:16:57am

re: #246 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I saw Beck back in the early 2000s and it remains one of my favorite shows of all time.

The best part was when the band “took a break” on stage with a fully-outfitted dining table, which they promptly turned into a musical instrument.

I’ve seen him with Beck, Bogert and Appice way back when, in the mid-90s with Jennifer Batten playing second guitar, and now with the current lineup. Nothing less than stellar every single time.

The wife and I are toying with the idea of going to LA for his Hollywood Bowl show in August - it’s a ‘50 Years of Beck’ show with a full orchestra. Those amazing arrangements that Sir George did for ‘Blow By Blow’ will get quite the workout that night, I’m thinking.

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:17:12am

BBL, hubby wants computer…

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Lidane  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:17:41am

ICYMI, Ted Cruz was on a roll this morning:

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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:19:38am

re: #225 ObserverArt

Whut? I never heard that bit. Gonna have to look that up.

So, I saw you got to see Beck last night. Cool. Did he bring any other guests along to sing like he sometimes does?

Also, was Tal Wilkenfeld still playing bass with him, or someone else?

She didn’t just use the paper, she secretly taped a meeting of a campus gay organization, and sent the tapes to the parents of the members.

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Nyet  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:20:33am

re: #91 KerFuFFler

Thank you very very much!

{{{Kerfuffler}}}

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:21:13am

My Jaime Lannister lookalike dentist just called to postpone this morning’s deep cleaning, ruining what looked to be the highlight of National Junk Food Day. But who could stay mad at that face?

That’s me on the right. I wish!
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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:21:24am

re: #255 Lidane

ICYMI, Ted Cruz was on a roll this morning:

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A comment dredged up from deep in a 538 article:

Dennis Poledna * UC Berkeley
I’ll say this for Cruz, as far as national politics go, he’s the most ruthless little shite since Richard M. Nixon.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:23:28am

re: #258 De Kolta Chair

My Jaime Lannister lookalike dentist just called to postpone this morning’s deep cleaning, ruining what looked to be the highlight of National Junk Food Day. But who could stay mad at that face?

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Spoiler cuz GoT.

I doubt it’ll happen, given GRRM’s general habit of not allowing his characters to find happiness or comfort in any way, but I hope those two get together in some fashion before the end of the series.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:23:54am

re: #144 lawhawk

Not for lack of the cop shooting him. The cop shot at him 3 times. He’s lucky he got out of the encounter with only a leg wound.

It could have been so much worse for him.

And I can’t wait for the GOP and right wing loons to claim that this was somehow his fault. Because they always do.

This also comes as the GOP claims that law enforcement is beyond reproach and that there’s a war on cops (both are indisputably false). Cops do a tough job and there are cops who shouldn’t be on the force because they abuse their power and put lives in danger. This incident is only the latest evidence that law enforcement is too quick to shoot, even when the circumstances don’t warrant it.

If all you have is a gun, everything looks like a target.

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jonhendry  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:25:15am

re: #244 makeitstop

Every so often I have the thought that he and Putin have a deal worked out to join up and conquer the world. Then he could own half of everything.

And that’s treasonous in my book.

That’s basically what Franklin Foer thinks. Manafort has even worked for Putin’s puppets in other countries.

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Botsplainer  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:25:16am

I finally looked at shitweasel’s little stalker video.

He really needs to go to a gym if he’s going to act like this. He’s got itty bitty tyrannosaur stick arms, narrow shoulders and a body shaped like a pear.

At some point in time, somebody who is less slight of build than the guy in the vid (good on him for getting in between, by the way) is going to take offense at his conduct. That person isn’t going to squeal, or shout, or talk about court orders. That person is going to destroy him physically, face first.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:25:34am

He has words. He has the best words.

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Botsplainer  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:26:41am

re: #255 Lidane

Cruz shuld have closed his remarks with “the Lannisters send their regards”.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:28:08am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

He has words. He has the best words.

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All over Europe people are putting packed bags under their beds. Some have had one there for decades.

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Nyet  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:28:23am

re: #257 Nyet

Interesting, the Yad Vashem description says it’s a letter from Bea Wiesel to Samuel Jakobovits (Elie and Samuel were together in Sighet and Buchenwald). Although Elie is mentioned (Lazar), the text refers to Pollaks - who were IIRC acquaintances of the Wiesels. However I omitted the Yiddish portion of the letter - I guess the Hungarian portion was just a quote. Now I have to ask VB to read the Yiddish portion ;)

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:29:08am

re: #228 lawhawk

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The right wing media would have absolutely destroyed a Democrat if they’d said this. But because Trump, they’ve absolutely ignored all of it.

A longer bit of that quote deserves a close reading:

I think right now when it comes to civil liberties, our country has a lot of problems, and I think it’s very hard for us to get involved in other countries when we don’t know what we are doing and we can’t see straight in our own country. We have tremendous problems when you have policemen being shot in the streets, when you have riots, when you have Ferguson. When you have Baltimore. When you have all of the things that are happening in this country — we have other problems, and I think we have to focus on those problems. When the world looks at how bad the United States is, and then we go and talk about civil liberties, I don’t think we’re a very good messenger.

The first bolded section suggests that the US has a very bad track record regarding civil liberties. One could imagine Trump supports BLM from that isolated line——-though his fans are probably thinking of their own right to discriminate against gays, Muslims, immigrants.

Then in the second bolded part he lists “problems”———Baltimore, Ferguson, riots and police shootings———clearly signaling that unrest by minorities is an important threat.

There is a lot of muddled incoherence in this statement. What I fear Trump really means is that he intends to quell unrest with a strongman approach that will shred any last bit of our reputation for standing up for civil liberties. He does not want to criticize Erdogan now because he wants the freedom to adopt similar policies.

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Belafon  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:31:26am

re: #243 KerFuFFler

Well, one delegate at the convention defended why he would never vote for Trump:

“I wouldn’t support a man who congratulated a Chinese dictator on how he handled the protesters in Tiananmen Square and called them troublemakers. Even Hillary Clinton wouldn’t say that! She wouldn’t even think it!”

And that alone could be the single most devastating ad the Clinton campaign could run, listing all of the leaders Trump has praised. Imagine putting his words over the images of Tiananmen Square.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:33:59am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

All over Europe people are putting packed bags under their beds. Some have had them there for decades.

One of my students FB messaged me and said, “Good lord, this man is insane! Is he on Putin’s payroll or something? Him being elected would be very dangerous to us.”

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:34:17am

re: #263 Botsplainer

He doesn’t seem concerned about his physique.

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blueraven  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:34:28am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:35:50am

re: #269 Belafon

And that alone could be the single most devastating ad the Clinton campaign could run, listing all of the leaders Trump has praised. Imagine putting his words over the images of Tiananmen Square.

Dictators | The Briefing

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:39:55am

re: #269 Belafon

And that alone could be the single most devastating ad the Clinton campaign could run, listing all of the leaders Trump has praised. Imagine putting his words over the images of Tiananmen Square.

It is so bizarre the way the RWNJ’s want their guns to protect themselves from tyrannical government, but huge numbers of them support Trump even though he has openly admired tyrants and their methods. But because he is hinting that he would crack down hard on protesters———he calls them rioters——-in other words minorities, they don’t give a purple, turding damn.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:40:18am

re: #256 jonhendry

She didn’t just use the paper, she secretly taped a meeting of a campus gay organization, and sent the tapes to the parents of the members.

Wow. Thanks for the info. I don’t much about her, I try to stay away from people like her on general principle.

That shows she was scum from the get-go.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:40:49am

Oh goodie a bunch of Trump bots complaining I blocked someone b/c they came at me fact free.

I then offered them opportunity to provide a single fact about Trump or Pence…

And they failed.

So yeah, they’re blocked too. Damned eggs…

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Kilroy01  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:42:08am

OT
I’m going to miss this woman.

First Lady Michelle Obama Carpool Karaoke

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:42:19am

re: #268 KerFuFFler

Bingo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:43:03am

re: #274 KerFuFFler

It is so bizarre the way the RWNJ’s want their guns to protect themselves from tyrannical government, but huge numbers of them support Trump even though he has openly admired tyrants and their methods. But because he is hinting that he would crack down hard on protesters———he calls them rioters——-in other words minorities, they don’t give a purple, turding damn.

He’ll be THEIR tyrant, protecting them from swarthy foreigners and Black Panthers. They have nothing against tyranny per se. It’s just ‘tyranny’ that doesn’t punish the people they hate that they don’t like.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:43:21am

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This. It’s horrifying.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:43:22am

The GOP wants to make comparisons to Israel? Or Netenyahu?

The GOP is vehemently against so much of what Israel represents, unless it’s in furtherance of an apocalyptic end times or realpolitik. There’s scant evidence that the GOP loves Israel any more than Democrats do, despite the GOP consistently saying that Democrats have abandoned Israel countless times.

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BeachDem  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:43:31am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

He has words. He has the best words.

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And with a nice dressing, they would make a massive salad. Words, so many words, and with no coherent message to be found.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:46:26am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:48:10am

re: #269 Belafon

And that alone could be the single most devastating ad the Clinton campaign could run, listing all of the leaders Trump has praised. Imagine putting his words over the images of Tiananmen Square.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:48:42am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:51:24am

The Trump Files: The Time Donald Sued Someone Who Made Fun of Him for $500 Million

He wants to “fix the libel laws” to make it easier to ruin people who say something he doesn’t like.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:51:59am

re: #277 Kilroy01

OT
I’m going to miss this woman.

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Video

That is so good.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:52:19am

re: #285 lawhawk

Good luck with that.

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makeitstop  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:57:55am

re: #277 Kilroy01

OT
I’m going to miss this woman.

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Video

Those segments are so brilliant. It amazes me that James knows every word to every song.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 8:58:03am
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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:01:02am

re: #290 De Kolta Chair

Meanwhile the Trump clan have resting dictator face.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:01:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:01:55am

re: #280 plansbandc

This. It’s horrifying.

Nobody had the nerve to call these people out on their insanity, so they just kept getting more insane to the point that it no longer seems so.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:03:21am

re: #292 Charles Johnson

Escalate the Fields-Weinstein sitch?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:05:47am

re: #294 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Escalate the Fields-Weinstein sitch?

He’s talking about filing a police report, I’m sure.

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:06:32am

In other news, an unarmed black man lying down with his hands up was shot by police.
Fortunately he survived, but the way he was treated is outrageous.

He was worried about the safety of his autistic patient because he might do something erratic that would set off the police. He never thought they would shoot his own self.

Ironically, Kinsey said he didn’t have any fear that he would be shot.

“I was really more worried about [the patient] than myself, because as long as I’ve got my hands up, they’re not going to shoot me,” Kinsey told WSVN. “This is what I’m thinking, ‘They’re not going to shoot me.’ Wow, was I wrong.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:08:01am

re: #296 KerFuFFler

In other news, an unarmed black man lying down with his hands up was shot by police.

Anyone who protests police brutality advocates killing cops!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:08:55am

re: #295 Charles Johnson

He’s talking about filling a police report, I’m sure.

I’m almost certain, given the reaction of Fields’ fiance, that Chuckie had been repeatedly harrassing them before this, and was coming back for the denouement. The overt checking that the camera was in place, the immediate reaction - it had to have been set up by one or more previous encounters.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:09:22am

According to sources in the Kremlin, Vladimir Putin has pre-ordered the first ten dozen “Trump/Pence - Four More Years” posters.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:12:32am

re: #295 Charles Johnson

He’s talking about filling a police report, I’m sure.

He has no case. He approached with deliberate attempt to provoke a reaction. And he has no proof of injury.

Loser.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:12:50am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

He has words. He has the best words.

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That really is Sarah Palin quality word salad.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:13:10am

About that whole Alpha male thing…..

I’m no zoology expert or anything, but don’t females kind of sort out who the alpha males are in a herd? I mean, if the females choose who to mate with out of instinct for strong genetic material and characteristics, then that means it’s kind of up to the ladies who the alphas are, right?

So doesn’t that blow a hole in the MRAs whole Manly Men Doing Manly Things In A Manly Way and Why Aren’t You Bitches Impressed With Me thing these guys keep running in circles over? And guys, here’s a helpful hint: If you outwardly act hostile towards women, say degrading shit about them, stalk them and get pissed off that they don’t consider you, shall we say, “relationship material” you might want to think about who you’re REALLY trying to impress here. You’re spending so much time trying to impress your “boys” that you might want to ask why that is. Just sayin’.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:13:24am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:17:20am

re: #302 A Mom Anon

They have their head stuck in an outdated and patriarchal view of men, women and society. We no longer need to be aggressive or intimidating to survive, but some people just enjoy acting that way.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:19:31am
Ben Sargent/Texas Observer
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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:20:42am

Trump’s foreign policy interview went exactly as expected. It was a disaster A fisked sample:

SANGER: So that suggests that you would not, as, say, President Bush did, the last President Bush, make the spread of democracy and liberty sort of a core of your foreign policy. You would say, “We need allies, we’re not going to lecture them about what they do inside their borders.”

TRUMP: We need allies.

We need allies, all while throwing NATO and other allies under the bus and reneging on our treaty obligations and longstanding relationships all to improve relations with who exactly? Who benefits, if not rivals like Putin in Russia

SANGER: And lecture inside their borders?

TRUMP: I don’t know that we have a right to lecture. Just look about what’s happening with our country. How are we going to lecture when people are shooting our policemen in cold blood. How are we going to lecture when you see the riots and the horror going on in our own country. We have so many difficulties in our country right now that I don’t think we should be, and there may be a time when we can get much more aggressive on that subject, and it will be a wonderful thing to be more aggressive. We’re not in a position to be more aggressive. We have to fix our own mess.

If any Democrat said this, let alone Hillary, the GOP would be demanding resignations and firings. Instead, Trump’s saying this while the GOP and right wingers are all cheering his foreign policy prowess. That’s a mighty huge double standard.

SANGER: You said that they could be much more helpful with ISIS. I’m sure perhaps they can. The big difference they’ve had is that we’ve been supporting Kurdish forces that have been very effective ——

TRUMP: I’m a fan of the Kurds, you understand.

SANGER: But Erdogan is not. Tell us how you would deal with that?

TRUMP: Well, it would be ideal if we could get them all together. And that would be a possibility. But I’m a big fan of the Kurdish forces. At the same time, I think we have a potentially — we could have a potentially very successful relationship with Turkey. And it would be really wonderful if we could put them somehow both together.

SANGER: And what’s your diplomatic plan for doing that?

TRUMP: Meetings. If I ever have the opportunity to do it, meaning if I win, we will have meetings, we will have meetings very early on.

His solution is meetings. As if that hadn’t been tried before.

And he’s a fanboy of Erdogan and Kurds, but doesn’t seem to get that they’re on opposite sides and Erdogan wouldn’t mind seeing the Kurds gone since the Kurds have been agitating for a country for decades (and Turkey treats the PKK as a terrorist group and routinely goes after Kurds living in Turkey as well as inside Iraq).

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KerFuFFler  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:22:26am

re: #302 A Mom Anon

About that whole Alpha male thing…..

I’m no zoology expert or anything, but don’t females kind of sort out who the alpha males are in a herd? I mean, if the females choose who to mate with out of instinct for strong genetic material and characteristics, then that means it’s kind of up to the ladies who the alphas are, right?

It is more complicated than that because there are so many species with different mating strategies. Among herding animals males will often battle one another for control over a “harem”. Elephants and deer are common examples.

Female birds on the other hand often select their mate based on various characteristics: plummage, songs, nice nests and dances are examples of what some different species focus on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:24:49am

re: #307 KerFuFFler

It is more complicated than that because there are so many species with different mating strategies. Among herding animals males will often battle one another for control over a “harem”. Elephants and deer are common examples.

Female birds on the other hand often select their mate based on various characteristics: plummage, songs, nice nests and dances are examples of what some different species focus on.

And in some groups, the Beta males take advantage of the Alphas’ constant fighting and posturing to move in on the females, who are obviously not as impressed with Alphahood as some people think…

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Lidane  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:25:31am

re: #306 lawhawk

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:26:37am

Would a President Trump keep wearing that stupid fucking hat everywhere he goes?

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TK-421  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:29:05am

Been off this week, getting a bunch of stuff done around the house. There’s been a plumbing job I’ve been putting off that’s been gnawing at me, basically about 30% of the plumbing and the kitchen sink. I was monitoring the RNC yesterday and thought ” hmm, I think I’d rather start a dreaded plumbing job than watch Ted Cruz”. So far so good, monitoring for leaks, only had to resolder one joint!

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:31:14am

re: #260 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Spoiler cuz GoT.

Agreed. I think most if not all fans of the show would be disappointed if J and B didn’t meet up again at least once. Same goes for Arya and the Hound and those loveable scamps Tyrian and Bronn.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:31:47am

re: #311 Emptor scriptor Remorse

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:32:38am

re: #301 MsJ

That really is Sarah Palin quality word salad.

I don’t know. In some ways it is worse. Sarah says stupid stuff but it is still somewhat within sentence structure.

Trump starts a sentence, breaks it, starts another and then goes back to the original for a moment then off to another new one and back to the second. Dudes a mess.

And Sarah is funny because she uses her little catch phrases she creates an while they never work, they can cause some laughter.

Trump…nothing to laugh at and if you find his real meaning in it all it usually is hateful in one manner or another.

Trump must really rely on others to actually do the work, because there is no way that scatter brain of his can stick to a task. No way!

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:33:11am

re: #309 Lidane

Sasse and Graham. Two. Out of … 54 Senators. 3.7% of the GOP senators stood up against Trump’s NATO insanities.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:36:12am

re: #314 GlutenFreeJesus

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lol

(Is Pokemon about chasing buttholes? Asking for a friend.)
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TK-421  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:36:37am

Koch brothers pull ad buy backing Ron Johnson

A day after U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin spoke at the Republican National Convention, a group affiliated with the conservative Koch brothers pulled more than $2 million in ad time in the Badger State.

The move came a day after the National Senate Republican Committee modified its planned help for Johnson, pushing back an ad campaign that was to start next month until October.

Wednesday’s development provides another sign Johnson could get less outside support than had been expected. Johnson faces former Sen. Russ Feingold in one of the most closely watched Senate races in the country.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:37:52am

re: #307 KerFuFFler

I guess what I mean is, in this day and age, it’s going to be women that decide what is attractive to them, just as men have done in the past. It’s complex, what we are and aren’t attracted to as humans, what works for one does not work for all. And dare I say it, there may be a bit of evolution or at least quite a bit of cultural influence on these things. Not saying it’s healthy all around, because both genders can have some warped ideals of what floats their boat.

When it comes to all these Alphas (or the ones who think that’s what they are) and their obsessions with “cucks” (which is so gross I can’t even with that shit) they are completely clueless that their preening and pandering to each other is precisely the opposite of what women find appealing. They work so hard to impress each other and show off that they end up sabotaging themselves, which leads to a downward spiral of constant rejection and/or relationships that either don’t work or could be abusive.

I’ve dealt with MRAs a few times, they are not reachable at all, especially if you’re “just a girl” or “some bitch”. They seem locked into a cycle that can’t be broken. I’d almost feel sorry for them if they weren’t so blatantly horrible human beings.

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:38:15am

re: #316 lawhawk

Sasse and Graham. Two. Out of … 54 Senators. 3.7% of the GOP senators stood up against Trump’s NATO insanities.

It’s a crazy world in which we find common cause with the likes of Kasich, Sasse, Graham, and Cruz.

Maybe as this trainwreck continues, more GOPers will come back to the side of sanity.

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:39:03am

re: #318 TK-421

Koch brothers pull ad buy backing Ron Johnson

This is big. Love it!

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gocart mozart  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:40:28am
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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:41:01am

re: #306 lawhawk

Trump’s foreign policy interview went exactly as expected. It was a disaster A fisked sample:

We need allies, all while throwing NATO and other allies under the bus and reneging on our treaty obligations and longstanding relationships all to improve relations with who exactly? Who benefits, if not rivals like Putin in Russia

If any Democrat said this, let alone Hillary, the GOP would be demanding resignations and firings. Instead, Trump’s saying this while the GOP and right wingers are all cheering his foreign policy prowess. That’s a mighty huge double standard.

His solution is meetings. As if that hadn’t been tried before.

And he’s a fanboy of Erdogan and Kurds, but doesn’t seem to get that they’re on opposite sides and Erdogan wouldn’t mind seeing the Kurds gone since the Kurds have been agitating for a country for decades (and Turkey treats the PKK as a terrorist group and routinely goes after Kurds living in Turkey as well as inside Iraq).

He just needs a signed contract…the election…and then the meetings will begin. Great meetings. Big meetings. The best.

Who knows maybe he and his new best bud Vladimir Putin can sit at the head of the conference table and stare down anyone that doesn’t want to get in line. And then during breaks in the meetings some of Trumps buddies along with some of Putin’s can rough up the other countries leaders and tell them they are never leaving this meeting room until the papers are signed. And then point to the body bags stacked in the corner, ready.

See, easy.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:41:07am

re: #322 gocart mozart

A real gaystapo?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:42:21am

re: #310 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Would a President Trump keep wearing that stupid fucking hat everywhere he goes?

I think he hinted at one point that he would be “too busy” to tend to his combover, which means he would be wearing his cap a lot…

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Skip Intro  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:45:55am

As GOP trashes China, Beijing warns of potential war with U.S.

usatoday.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:46:32am

re: #326 Skip Intro

As GOP trashes China, Beijing warns of potential war with U.S.

usatoday.com

Those things that come out of his mouth have consequences…

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A wild WITHAK appeared!  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:49:08am

re: #325 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think he hinted at one point that he would be “too busy” to tend to his combover, which means he would be wearing his cap a lot…

I’ll admit, I’m pretty attached to my hair, and I’m thankful that I’ve kept most of it as I get older. Watching my dad do the combover thing since I was a kid, I can sympathize quite a bit with the self-image stuff Trump deals with regarding his hair.

But my glob, man, he just needs to give the fuck up. That abomination atop his head just needs to go, and hiding it with a stupid ballcap is even worse.

He’d be much more intimidating with full cueball action going on. Kingpin-like. Which would be fitting, wouldn’t it?

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:50:22am

Right wing “Christian” values and compassion at work

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:50:38am

re: #322 gocart mozart

The gay fascism movement hype reminds me of the clown sex party hype of fifteen years ago, only this time with more clowns.

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Joe Bacon  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:53:33am

re: #322 gocart mozart

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SGMOTI and Milo’s Minions will get the shock of their lives when Republicans break out the pink triangles…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:54:40am

re: #328 A wild WITHAK appeared!

I’ll admit, I’m pretty attached to my hair, and I’m thankful that I’ve kept most of it as I get older.

I am still intact, got a reverse yarmulke on the back of my head and thinning temples, but it still mostly there at 57.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:55:28am

re: #331 Joe Bacon

SGMOTI and Milo’s Minions will get the shock of their lives when Republicans break out the pink triangles…

They RWNJs seem to hate Islam more than they hate gays…at least for now.

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:56:25am

re: #322 gocart mozart

Does anyone recall that long piece by The Independent and The Guardian journalist Johann Hari in 2008 about the historical presence of homosexuals in various fascist movements and how it’s not really a misnomer?

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b_sharp  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:56:55am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am still intact, got a reverse yarmulke on the back of my head and thinning temples, but it still mostly there at 57.

Most of my hair has moved south, where it’s warmer.

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 9:57:07am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They RWNJs seem to hate Islam more than they hate gays…at least for now.

Unless the gays go out of line, of course.

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Lidane  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:00:11am
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retired cynic  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:00:59am

re: #310 A wild WITHAK appeared!

Would a President Trump keep wearing that stupid fucking hat everywhere he goes?

Holds his hair on.

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Lidane  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:02:11am
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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:07:20am

re: #335 b_sharp

Most of my hair has moved south, where it’s warmer.

Do you wear a polar ice cap?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:08:31am

re: #339 Lidane

Betting Reince has graduated from Bailey’s + bran flakes by now]

he stopped adding the bran flakes weeks ago…

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b_sharp  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:08:46am

re: #340 ObserverArt

Do you wear a polar ice cap?

Too often.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:09:26am

re: #324 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

How many people were there and how long was their “party”? While I loathe these freaking hateful fools, I wonder how popular they are and how much power they actually have? While the anti LGBT part of the GOP is quite large, I don’t think Milo and Friends are as important as they believe they are. But they are certainly spewing hatred into an overflowing tank and that needs to be watched, carefully. I have a feeling there’s a LOT we do not know about any of these people and it might be time for oppo research to see where they came from, who is funding them and what things are in their past they might not want known. Sunlight.

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:10:16am

re: #343 A Mom Anon

How many people were there and how long was their “party”? While I loathe these freaking hateful fools, I wonder how popular they are and how much power they actually have? While the anti LGBT part of the GOP is quite large, I don’t think Milo and Friends are as important as they believe they are. But they are certainly spewing hatred into an overflowing tank and that needs to be watched, carefully. I have a feeling there’s a LOT we do not know about any of these people and it might be time for oppo research to see where they came from, who is funding them and what things are in their past they might not want known. Sunlight.

Milo was a nobody prior to Gamergate in 2014.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:12:17am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And in some groups, the Beta males take advantage of the Alphas’ constant fighting and posturing to move in on the females, who are obviously not as impressed with Alphahood as some people think…

But more to the point, if you claim that Alpha Males are the ones women are attracted to, and you can’t get laid, you’ve just defined yourself as NOT an Alpha Male.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:14:16am

re: #345 Blind Frog Belly White

But more to the point, if you claim that Alpha Males are the ones women are attracted to, and you can’t get laid, you’ve just defined yourself as NOT an Alpha Male.

It is not all just as simple as a matter of letters in the alphabet…but some people’s minds are too stoopid to grasp that.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:16:17am

re: #344 electrotek

He’s still a nobody. He just thinks that his twitter following means that he’s famous and worth paying attention to.

Well, scratch that. He is worth paying attention to as a cautionary tale of what happens when you decide to become a screech monkey who harasses, stalks, or otherwise engages in activities worthy of being banned from online services. Given that Milo’s still claiming to be a reporter, he’s got other outlets to get his sewer stench of a message out there and speak his mind.

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:17:42am
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Scottishdragon  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:18:03am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Anyone who protests police brutality advocates killing cops!

My mother just basically accused me of that on the phone 5 minutes ago.

She said “Your father was a cop and I am loyal to your father. I know you are not loyal to your father!”

I hung up. I am so angry right now I don’t even know what to do.

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plansbandc  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:18:28am

Off topic, but powerful.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:18:36am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yep. And who defines what “alpha” is in humans? I mean it’s a bit easier if you’re talking about an elk or a bighorn sheep or something, but with humans it’s a lot more complicated. Like someone with a neckbeard, running around in a Trump cap in khakis with a long sleeved shirt in the summer. That really doesn’t scream “alpha” to me, it screams” I have no common sense nor can I groom myself properly” . Most grown ass women don’t want to take care of an adult person to that degree. Self sabotage, not attractive.

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:20:20am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:21:09am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not all just as simple as a matter of letters in the alphabet…but some people’s minds are too stoopid to grasp that.

In this case, it IS as simple as a matter of letters in the alphabet, because they’re the ones defining ‘Alpha Males’ in such a way it excludes them.

BTW, it’s funny that one of the guys who LOVES to use the word ‘cuck’ spends SO MUCH TIME away from HAW……

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:22:28am

re: #353 Blind Frog Belly White

In this case, it IS as simple as a matter of letters in the alphabet, because they’re the ones defining ‘Alpha Males’ in such a way it excludes them.

BTW, it’s funny that one of the guys who LOVES to use the word ‘cuck’ spends SO MUCH TIME away from HAW……

Five will get you ten that HAW has something going on on the side.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:23:17am

re: #352 Kragar

That timeline is full of scary…

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:24:54am

re: #352 Kragar

Deleted?

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:25:31am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:26:08am

re: #352 Kragar

So, Mr. Oafcreeper thinks that all 25 Million would happily take part in the destruction of the 1st Amendment, as well as the 5th, 6th, and 14th?

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:26:41am

re: #339 Lidane

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I do not recommend rum and granola. Yes, based on actual experience. Why yes, it was my freshman year of college.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:27:05am

re: #357 lawhawk

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Oh God, yes!!!

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:28:26am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not all just as simple as a matter of letters in the alphabet…but some people’s minds are too stoopid to grasp that.

Yup. Not married to an alpha male. Very happy with my non-alpha spouse over many, many years.

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Alephnaught  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:28:37am

re: #344 electrotek

Milo was a nobody prior to Gamergate in 2014.

Apparently before GamerGate and a failed tech mag, he was a really awful poet who ripped off Tori Amos. Oh, and the biog in his self published second book of poetry says something him about him being an “accomplished musician”.

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:29:20am

re: #358 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Mr. Oafcreeper thinks that all 25 Million would happily take part in the destruction of the 1st Amendment, as well as the 5th, 6th, and 14th?

And none of those veterans are muslims?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:30:07am

Twitter embeds still hosed.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:34:36am

Seems to be working for me.

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:34:42am

re: #363 calochortus

And none of those veterans are muslims?

So thin-skinned he blocked me lol

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:34:48am

The other thing about the whole ‘Alpha Male’ nonsense is that our closest living relatives, Bonobos, have a matriarchal society without longterm monogamous pair bonds. Thus, trying to extrapolate from wolves and lions and such to justify Men’s Rights bullshit is totally without foundation.

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:34:56am

re: #356 lawhawk

Yeah

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:35:20am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

Twitter embeds still hosed.

Are you using Chrome?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:35:48am

re: #368 Kragar

Yeah

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So, the internet is not just for porn, but also forever.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:35:50am

re: #364 The Vicious Babushka

Twitter embeds still hosed.

And then right below one magically works.

weird.

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Le Lapin Tueur  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:36:02am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Are you using Chrome?

Embeds are hosed here on Firefox and Windows 7

edit - and on my iPad

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:37:05am

re: #292 Charles Johnson

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Jamie and Michelle need to use RF’s own video to obtain a restraining order against him.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:37:14am

re: #372 Le Lapin Tueur

Embeds are hosed here on Firefox and Windows 7

And chrome.

OH SO NOW IT WORKS

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:37:24am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Are you using Chrome?

Yeah.

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Bubblehead II  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:37:38am

re: #372 Le Lapin Tueur

Embeds are hosed here on Firefox and Windows 7

I am using the same. F.F Build 47.0 and Win 7

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gocart mozart  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:37:53am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:38:10am

re: #369 Dr. Matt

Are you using Chrome?

Tweet embeds are hosed again. Lidane’s 10:02 tweet shows up correctly. Kragar’s at 10:17 and any subsequent don’t.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:38:24am

Some one on CNN just said they read Ivanka’s speech & it is majestic.

hoo boy.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:38:28am

re: #358 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Mr. Oafcreeper thinks that all 25 Million would happily take part in the destruction of the 1st Amendment, as well as the 5th, 6th, and 14th?

Isn’t that direct and public incitement to genocide?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:38:45am

re: #349 Scottishdragon

My mother just basically accused me of that on the phone 5 minutes ago.

She said “Your father was a cop and I am loyal to your father. I know you are not loyal to your father!”

I hung up. I am so angry right now I don’t even know what to do.

They have sold a lot of people on the notion that Obama got up and incited people to seek revenge on police officers. People who are exposed to nothing but the Fox News World view of things have bought into that narrative wholeheartedly. I have blocked more than a few people who have posted similar sentiments on FB.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:39:20am

re: #380 Teukka

Isn’t that direct and public incitement to genocide?

Probably why they tried to disappear it.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:40:19am

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

Probably why they tried to disappear it.

Destruction of evidence of a violation of 18 USC 1091 (c). Oh wow.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:40:44am

re: #379 Stanley Sea

Some one on CNN just said they read Ivanka’s speech & it is majestic.

hoo boy.

I think that means it’s Queen Victoria’s.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:41:49am

So, you know that Trump sent a C/D (cease and desist) letter to Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter of Trump’s The Art of the Deal. Well the author’s lawyer responded, and it’s glorious.

Let’s just say that Trump ought to spend more time boning up on politics 101 than trying to sue someone for giving their informed opinion. And Trump’s legal team really ought to pay more attention to what defamation actually is, and couldn’t actually proffer a single example of a defamatory statement.

It’s Trump playing lawfare - hoping to get someone who doesn’t have nearly the same kind of deep pockets as he does to back down or pay him.

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:42:39am

re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing about the whole ‘Alpha Male’ nonsense is that our closest living relatives, Bonobos, have a matriarchal society without longterm monogamous pair bonds. Thus, trying to extrapolate from wolves and lions and such to justify Men’s Rights bullshit is totally without foundation.

Yeah, it’s also my theory that different species need totally different things from their mates. Lady wildebeests probably are very happy to let the guys fight it out and the genetically fittest one can father their calves and keep the other guys from pestering them. Males with a harem couldn’t possibly control all the females if they really didn’t want to be there. Maybe they can keep one or two from wandering off, but not all of them.
Primates have a variety of needs and lifestyles. Generally females are not as well controlled by an alpha male (if any) as it appears on the surface. A lot of male researchers early on made assumptions about the Power of the Male.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:44:59am

re: #383 Teukka

Destruction of evidence of a violation of 18 USC 1091 (c). Oh wow.

We-e-ell…

What they’ll say is they weren’t talking about KILLING Muslims, but rather DEPORTING them, which would take a considerable force. And if deleting a tweet is destroying evidence, then every time someone here deletes an ill-considered post that may have advocated violence, we’d be destroying evidence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:45:15am

re: #386 calochortus

Primates have a variety of needs and lifestyles. Generally females are not as well controlled by an alpha male (if any) as it appears on the surface. A lot of male researchers early on made assumptions about the Power of the Male.

And many of our notions of gender roles and society still date back to patriarchal nomadic societies where women were seen as property. But some folks call that “Biblical” and still seek to emulate it.

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Scottishdragon  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:46:10am

re: #381 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They have sold a lot of people on the notion that Obama got up and incited people to seek revenge on police officers. People who are exposed to nothing but the Fox News World view of things have bought into that narrative wholeheartedly. I have blocked more than a few people who have posted similar sentiments on FB.

It has reached the point that I cannot actually talk to my parents about anything but hot weather and my kid did something yesterday.

I have an autistic kid (though nowhere nears as severe as the young man in the street in Miami).

I work with autistic kids who absolutely are as severe as that young man…and I work with them in the classroom and in public just like what you see in that video.

Autistic school students on a work track go out and learn work skills at stores and restaurants for a couple of hours a week.

That means I go with them as a facilitator. If one has a melt down in public…the person with his or her hands up and looking at angry cops is me!

This is real fucking personal and scary…and my mom just insulted me and blew it off that I hate all police and I am a disloyal child to my father.

My folks were not like this 30 years ago. Fox News happened.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:47:17am
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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:47:18am

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

We-e-ell…

What they’ll say is they weren’t talking about KILLING Muslims, but rather DEPORTING them, which would take a considerable force. And if deleting a tweet is destroying evidence, then every time someone here deletes an ill-considered post that may have advocated violence, we’d be destroying evidence.

You don’t have to kill to commit genocide…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:47:21am

re: #388 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And our notions of gender roles and society still date back to patriarchal nomadic societies where women were seen as property. But some folks call that “Biblical” and still seek to emulate it.

Note also that many patriarchal societies put quite a bit of effort into eliminating any kind of matriarchal power. See also Hunt, Witch.

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Jay C  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:48:13am

re: #380 Teukka

Isn’t that direct and public incitement to genocide?

Actually, direct and public incitement to ethnic cleansing - but who’s counting???

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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:48:18am

re: #386 calochortus

Generally females are not as well controlled by an alpha male (if any) as it appears on the surface. A lot of male researchers early on made assumptions about the Power of the Male.

Confirmation bias is a real thing.

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Alephnaught  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:48:22am

re: #358 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Mr. Oafcreeper thinks that all 25 Million would happily take part in the destruction of the 1st Amendment, as well as the 5th, 6th, and 14th?

Not to mention: How many of the 25 million are Muslim? Or, people of colour? Or gay? Or women? these “Oathkeepers” (They’re certainly not keeping the oath they made when they signed up to the army.) seem to think 25 million vets = 25 million “Oathkeepers”. They might be in for a shock….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:48:36am

re: #391 Teukka

You don’t have to kill to commit genocide…

No, but per 18 USC 1091, you do have to do more than simply round up and deport them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:48:59am

re: #392 Blind Frog Belly White

Note also that many patriarchal societies put quite a bit of effort into eliminating any kind of matriarchal power. See also Hunt, Witch.

See also any church that forbids women from holding any ecclesiastical office…

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:49:26am

re: #393 Jay C

Actually, direct and public incitement to ethnic cleansing - but who’s counting???


Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such—
(1) kills members of that group;
(2) causes serious bodily injury to members of that group;
(3) causes the permanent impairment of the mental faculties of members of the group through drugs, torture, or similar techniques;
(4) subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part;
(5) imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
(6) transfers by force children of the group to another group;

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:50:27am

re: #396 Blind Frog Belly White

No, but per 18 USC 1091, you do have to do more than simply round up and deport them.

Rounding up and deporting them will have consequences which fall afoul of 18 USC 1091 (a)….

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jaunte  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:51:50am

Michael Ian Black dealing with a nasty antisemite.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:52:11am

re: #399 Teukka

Rounding up and deporting them will have consequences which fall afoul of 18 USC 1091 (a)….

Sorry, but I think you’re overinterpreting that. I think defending against such a legal argument would be straightforward.

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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:52:25am

re: #387 Blind Frog Belly White

We-e-ell…

What they’ll say is they weren’t talking about KILLING Muslims, but rather DEPORTING them, which would take a considerable force. And if deleting a tweet is destroying evidence, then every time someone here deletes an ill-considered post that may have advocated violence, we’d be destroying evidence.

For starters, they’re advocating ignoring or violating any number of federal laws, including several notable portions of the US Constitution, to say nothing of the international Genocide Convention.

At a bare minimum, they’re advocating ethnic cleansing. Or they’re pushing for genocide as defined under US law (18 U.S.C. 1091)

Section 1091 of Title 18, United States Code, prohibits genocide whether committed in time of peace or time of war. Genocide is defined in § 1091 and includes violent attacks with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. There is Federal jurisdiction if the offense is committed within the United States. There is also Federal extraterritorial jurisdiction when the offender is a national of the United States.

This is exactly what they’re advocating.

Oath keepers, who claim to be current/former military/law enforcement, are openly advocating engaging in genocide/ethnic cleansing, and some of these people may still be current law enforcement.

These people are a domestic terror group. This is just more proof.

The deleted tweet is just proof of their intentions/state of mind (they deleted because they knew it was wrong and would bring all kinds of attention down on them).

Addendum:

(4) subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part;
(5) imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group; or
(6) transfers by force children of the group to another group;

Incitement to carry out any of the aforementioned acts is also criminal act under 1091(c). Attempt and conspiracy are covered at 1091(d).

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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:52:55am

re: #39 Blind Frog Belly White

I disagree with your last sentence. I’d say that the Never Trumps who love Cruz can tell that Trump doesn’t mean anything he says, and they likely know that he has NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT HE’S DOING! The NYT article on Trump’s Foreign Policy should cause anyone, but especially anyone on the GOP side, scream, vomit, and faint. The man’s talking about abandoning allies in the face of Russian aggression, for Christ’s sake! I mean, I know they wingnuts LUV ol’ Vlad Putin, but seriously?

So, while Trump’s speeches are Cruz’s policies turned to 11, his actual policy knowledge and proposals are the diammetric opposite of projecting strength.

I mean, he SAYS our allies don’t think they can trust us anymore, and then he talks about not coming to their aid. He says our enemies don’t fear us anymore, and then he talks about pulling our troops out of bases in other countries around the world.

You’re right. A lot of the NeverTrump folks see that Trump is an idiot and a rolling dumpster fire. I think what they miss is that Cruz is simply the non-idiot version of that same rolling dumpster fire.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:53:49am

re: #401 Blind Frog Belly White

Sorry, but I think you’re overinterpreting that. I think defending against such a legal argument would be straightforward.

You are assuming the Muslims will leave willingly. If you have a lot of trigger-happy rightos confronted with Muslims who don’t want to leave their homes, what do you expect to happen?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:53:49am

I restarted Chrome and now the Tweets embed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:56:01am

re: #402 lawhawk

For starters, they’re advocating ignoring or violating any number of federal laws, including several notable portions of the US Constitution, to say nothing of the international Genocide Convention.

At a bare minimum, they’re advocating ethnic cleansing. Or they’re pushing for genocide as defined under US law (18 U.S.C. 1091)

This is exactly what they’re advocating.

Oath keepers, who claim to be current/former military/law enforcement, are openly advocating engaging in genocide/ethnic cleansing, and some of these people may still be current law enforcement.

These people are a domestic terror group. This is just more proof.

The deleted tweet is just proof of their intentions/state of mind (they deleted because they knew it was wrong and would bring all kinds of attention down on them).

I bow to your greater legal knowledge, but would point out that their defense would likely center on not demanding Muslims be KILLED, but rather DEPORTED. LOTS of OTHER laws broken, but not Genocide, unless I’m missing something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:57:00am

re: #352 Kragar

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yowser….

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:57:20am

re: #406 Blind Frog Belly White

I bow to your greater legal knowledge, but would point out that their defense would likely center on not demanding Muslims be KILLED, but rather DEPORTED. LOTS of OTHER laws broken, but not Genocide, unless I’m missing something.

You don’t have to kill. It is enough to inflict serious bodily or mental harm, impose living conditions which cause a lot of deaths, sterilize or kidnap children…

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Kragar  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:58:17am
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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2016 • 10:58:44am

re: #395 Alephnaught

Not to mention: How many of the 25 million are Muslim? Or, people of colour? Or gay? Or women? these “Oathkeepers” (They’re certainly not keeping the oath they made when they signed up to the army.) seem to think 25 million vets = 25 million “Oathkeepers”. They might be in for a shock….

538 has an interesting piece today about what constitutes “real Americans” and how many of those “real Americans” actually exist.

If you’re one of these “real Americans,” you’re in the majority in almost every respect. Most Americans are white, most are Christian, most don’t have college degrees, and most live in the South or Midwest Census Bureau regions. And yet, only about 1 in 5 voters meets all of these descriptions.

I think the South/Midwest element probably matters the least - I see my share of real merkins in Southern California - but it is really puts all of the “the demographics are not on their side” talk into stark perspective.

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:00:28am

I just realized I’m going to miss the Trumpster’s speech tonight(and anything else in the last hour of the convention.) I’d be sad, except that I’ll be doing something more entertaining. But I won’t be able to enjoy LGF’s wisdom in real time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:00:29am

re: #404 Teukka

You are assuming the Muslims will leave willingly. If you have a lot of trigger-happy rightos confronted with Muslims who don’t want to leave their homes, what do you expect to happen?

No, I’m not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:02:27am

re: #408 Teukka

You don’t have to kill. It is enough to inflict serious bodily or mental harm, impose living conditions which cause a lot of deaths, sterilize or kidnap children…

Do not make the assumption that I’m doing anything more than pointing out the difficulty in trying to indict and try whoever posted that tweet for violating 18 USC 1091. There are plenty of OTHER laws that such an attempt would violate.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:02:31am

re: #412 Blind Frog Belly White

No, I’m not.

See #408

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Alephnaught  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:02:44am

re: #406 Blind Frog Belly White

I bow to your greater legal knowledge, but would point out that their defense would likely center on not demanding Muslims be KILLED, but rather DEPORTED. LOTS of OTHER laws broken, but not Genocide, unless I’m missing something.

It’s a bit of a rubbish defence though, given they specifically used the word “eliminate”. Not much wiggle-room there, as opposed to if they said “get rid of”. “Eliminate” on the hand, sounds like, well, eliminationist language.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:03:30am

I hope Trump starts an audience participation segment where half the stadium yells “Lock Her Up” and the other half yells “Make America Great”. I think it would be a perfect ending to such a huge shit show.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:03:59am

re: #415 Alephnaught

It’s a bit of a rubbish defence though, given they specifically used the word “eliminate”. Not much wiggle-room there, as opposed to if they said “get rid of”. “Eliminate” on the hand, sounds like, well, eliminationist language.

genocidewatch.net

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:04:13am

re: #413 Blind Frog Belly White

Do not make the assumption that I’m doing anything more than pointing out the difficulty in trying to indict and try whoever posted that tweet for violating 18 USC 1091. There are plenty of OTHER laws that such an attempt would violate.

Like kidnapping, the first time you forcibly move someone out of their living room.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:06:21am

re: #411 calochortus

I just realized I’m going to miss the Trumpster’s speech tonight(and anything else in the last hour of the convention.) I’d be sad, except that I’ll be doing something more entertaining. But I won’t be able to enjoy LGF’s wisdom in real time.

I already know I can’t tolerate the speech. I have not been able to watch any of the Convention, because every time I do I get filled with rage and anxiety. I have to view it as a reflection, rather than directly, like Perseus and Medusa.

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electrotek  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:06:37am
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Kragar  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:06:57am
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lawhawk  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:09:09am

re: #421 Kragar

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Decatur Deb  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:09:36am

Wife is sorting sheep and goats on her largely Catholic Church Lady FB traffic.

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BeachDem  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:10:07am

re: #421 Kragar

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What a lovely photo of Sponge Brain/Square Head.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:10:22am

re: #420 electrotek

It’s ok for Blacks & Muslims to advocate violence or even do it, but when a veteran says anything about revolution, the left goes nuts!

don’t forget, Obama got up just the other week and incited blacks to rise up and murder police officers…

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KGxvi  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:10:35am

re: #419 Blind Frog Belly White

I already know I can’t tolerate the speech. I have not been able to watch any of the Convention, because every time I do I get filled with rage and anxiety. I have to view it as a reflection, rather than directly, like Perseus and Medusa.

I’ve been saying for a while that Trump is bound to implode. The two best chances of that happening are tonight’s speech and at the debates (probably the first one). I keep trying to figure out what that implosion would be - I could easily see him saying something like “look here, little lady” at the debate and it completely ending his chances, but I’m less sure about the convention speech. Then again, him just giving one of his regular speeches might be enough to get whatever undecideds or soft Trump supporters there are to run away…

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calochortus  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:12:01am

re: #419 Blind Frog Belly White

I already know I can’t tolerate the speech. I have not been able to watch any of the Convention, because every time I do I get filled with rage and anxiety. I have to view it as a reflection, rather than directly, like Perseus and Medusa.

I do have some trouble listening to Trump, but I tend to listen more carefully to the opposition than “my side.” Know your enemy, and all that.

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ObserverArt  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:12:06am

re: #389 Scottishdragon

It has reached the point that I cannot actually talk to my parents about anything but hot weather and my kid did something yesterday.

I have an autistic kid (though nowhere nears as severe as the young man in the street in Miami).

I work with autistic kids who absolutely are as severe as that young man…and I work with them in the classroom and in public just like what you see in that video.

Autistic school students on a work track go out and learn work skills at stores and restaurants for a couple of hours a week.

That means I go with them as a facilitator. If one has a melt down in public…the person with his or her hands up and looking at angry cops is me!

This is real fucking personal and scary…and my mom just insulted me and blew it off that I hate all police and I am a disloyal child to my father.

My folks were not like this 30 years ago. Fox News happened.

It sounds to me you have your life in order and are doing good work. If your parents can’t see that, it is their issue.

Make yourself and those you can help happy and forget the rest.

That doesn’t mean you need to ignore or abuse those you can’t make happy, it just means don’t let them make you unhappy or abuse you. Keep the distance needed to keep peace.

I’ve seen too many people go through a full life trying to please relatives and friends that will never be pleased and it wrecks them. That is just giving the mean the control over you, which sadly is often what they want.

When I first saw the video, I was scared the cops wouldn’t understand the autistic young man and then they shoot him for making a threatening move which could come from them scaring him and causing him to act out.

This is why it was important that the Dallas Police chief and President Obama said it is bad for Police to have to be the parents, the doctors, the counselors, the psychs and the enforcers.

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Teukka  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:12:07am

re: #426 KGxvi

I’ve been saying for a while that Trump is bound to implode. The two best chances of that happening are tonight’s speech and at the debates (probably the first one). I keep trying to figure out what that implosion would be - I could easily see him saying something like “look here, little lady” at the debate and it completely ending his chances, but I’m less sure about the convention speech. Then again, him just giving one of his regular speeches might be enough to get whatever undecideds or soft Trump supporters there are to run away…

I’m hoping something more spectacular, like clearly falling afoul of the laws of the land by means of his mouth…

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Jenner7  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:12:22am
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gocart mozart  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:17:34am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:27:14am

re: #420 electrotek

So sayeth the leader who was disbarred for failing to provide competent legal services….

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unproven innocence  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:29:21am

re: #223 Barefoot Grin

Tonight’s theme is “Making America One,” which is just plain sad. Which side wants justices who will tear away hard-won civil rights and liberties?

I could be wrong, but I thot UNITED States of America did that already.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:35:15am

re: #420 electrotek

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De Kolta Chair  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:51:05am

re: #434 Eventual Carrion

oathkeepers.org @OathKeeper101st

It’s ok for Blacks & Muslims to advocate violence or even do it, but when a veteran says anything about revolution, the left goes nuts!

But if a black Muslim vet says anything about revolution… ?

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:52:53am

re: #426 KGxvi

I’ve been saying for a while that Trump is bound to implode. The two best chances of that happening are tonight’s speech and at the debates (probably the first one). I keep trying to figure out what that implosion would be - I could easily see him saying something like “look here, little lady” at the debate and it completely ending his chances, but I’m less sure about the convention speech. Then again, him just giving one of his regular speeches might be enough to get whatever undecideds or soft Trump supporters there are to run away…

Unfortunately I don’t think there is anything that will actually be bad enough to count as an ‘implosion’. The national consciousness is too poisoned, and the media too vested in the celebrity of Trump. Quite literally, the rules don’t apply to him. Any other political figure would be ruined by any one of his gaffes. Insulting the military? Denigrating America and kissing up to dictators? Complete and demonstrable lack of any knowledge of how government works? Pretending to be your own publicist? Mocking a disabled person on live television?

If any other political figure were to do even one of these, their career would be over. If, God forbid, it were Hillary, she would literally have to fear for her life. But all of them are summarily ignored, because it’s Trump, because the next entertaining dumpster fire is only hours away, and because the rules simply don’t apply to him.

Americans are looking for any excuse, any at all, to not vote for Hillary. Conversely, there are innumerable valid reasons to not vote Trump, and still, Americans insist on excusing every revolting thing he does. I fear we are entering a very, very dark age.

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MsJ  Jul 21, 2016 • 11:59:41am

re: #436 Renaissance_Man

Unfortunately I don’t think there is anything that will actually be bad enough to count as an ‘implosion’. The national consciousness is too poisoned, and the media too vested in the celebrity of Trump. Quite literally, the rules don’t apply to him. Any other political figure would be ruined by any one of his gaffes. Insulting the military? Denigrating America and kissing up to dictators? Complete and demonstrable lack of any knowledge of how government works? Pretending to be your own publicist? Mocking a disabled person on live television?

If any other political figure were to do even one of these, their career would be over. If, God forbid, it were Hillary, she would literally have to fear for her life. But all of them are summarily ignored, because it’s Trump, because the next entertaining dumpster fire is only hours away, and because the rules simply don’t apply to him.

Americans are looking for any excuse, any at all, to not vote for Hillary. Conversely, there are innumerable valid reasons to not vote Trump, and still, Americans insist on excusing every revolting thing he does. I fear we are entering a very, very dark age.

You’re being rather generic. Many Republicans are looking for a reason to vote for Clinton. The 27% dead end wingnuts will always vote GOP. Yes, the media sucks. And yes, it’s getting worse. But I think you’re being overly fatalistic. Yes, we have to remain vigilant, but not fatalistic.

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