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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:32:51pm

circumstances have, fortunately i guess, made it difficult for me to track the noxious exhalations of the trumpenoids on my favorite source, but a quick look reveals that they are ignoring moore’s loss entirely and a preoccupying themselves with strenuously casting dirt on mueller

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:36:18pm

$5 Feminist over at Wonkette weighs in on the possible charges that might go up over the attempted rodent copulation of Senator Schumer:

Let’s put on our lawyer hat and think of some possible crimes committed here:

Forgery
Identity theft
Slander
Libel
Defamation
Wire Fraud
Conspiracy to Commit, all of the above

Mike Cernovich and Chuck C. Johnson Doing Fake Sex Crime News to Chuck Schumer LOL As If

Of note, Wonkette makes sure to differentiate between our esteemed host here and the Lesser Orange Menace. Too bad the mainstream media seems to have so much trouble with that.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:39:41pm
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:39:45pm
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stpaulbear  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:41:49pm

re: #3 jaunte

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I kind of hope that he never stops doing that. I hope it gets to the point that people divert their eyes whenever they have to walk past him.

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makeitstop  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:48:31pm

Rude Pundit has the right idea yet again.

Democrats need to understand that the black vote has now saved them in Alabama as it did in Virginia. It’s time to go even further and, to continue the quote above, “that means, in as many cases as it is possible, nominating and running non-white candidates.” African Americans, and especially African American women, are trying to save this country from the stupidity of our inexhaustible white ignorance. It’s time to center the concerns of non-white communities in the Democratic Party and not just ask them to vote, time and again, without those things being addressed.

2. As I’ve also said repeatedly, fuck the white working class. Fuck them. When their needs cross with those of the non-white working class voters you’re courting, then great. And you know what? Most of those needs do cross because they are class-based. They need health care, poverty programs, jobs programs, decent education. Democrats keep wanting to pretend that racist fucknuts can be appealed to based on class. It’s a comforting lie that is proven to be bullshit time and again. Roy Moore got 92% of the white vote, and that motherfucker was a wretched candidate before it was revealed he finger-fucked a 14 year-old. This country doesn’t belong exclusively to white people anymore. The Republicans are fighting a desperate battle to try to maintain that white dominance. They will lose.

So no more fucking speeches about how we “understand” the pain of the white working class. It’s up to the the white working class to fucking get that Democrats are the only ones who give a shit about their pain and economic hardship. And no more fucking articles about dumb fucks who are clinging to Donald Trump. They are dumb fucks. Let them drown in their stupidity for a few minutes before we throw them the life preserver.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:53:59pm

re: #3 jaunte

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I guess he’s running for CJ again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:57:04pm

re: #6 makeitstop

Rude Pundit has the right idea yet again.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

We try to talk and in fact do talk those issues and those voters vote Republican because they’d too ignorant to realize things like repealing ACA, CHIPS, etc hurts them and their families too. Doesn’t help when you’ve got Bernie going around saying the Dems forgot them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:57:59pm

That look on Ted Crocket’s face when he’s told “you don’t have to swear in on a Bible” is priceless.

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Scout  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:59:02pm

re: #6 makeitstop

And no more fucking articles about dumb fucks who are clinging to Donald Trump. They are dumb fucks. Let them drown in their stupidity for a few minutes before we throw them the life preserver.

They sure got that part right.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 13, 2017 • 7:59:52pm

I’m sure Sleuth is aware but for those not

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:05:23pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Dude was seriously fucked up right until the end.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:06:59pm

Awesome night.
Sewage pumping up into my bathtub.
Management not going to respond until tomorrow morning.
Thinking about pissing and crapping into a bucket, and dumping it at the leasing office door in the morning.

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Stanley Sea  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:07:33pm

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

Dude was seriously fucked up right until the end.

Reading the whole story, his family was complicit.

sad

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:10:41pm

We don’t ignore working class voters- we haven’t, that’s a lie, but we don’t ignore legitimate concerns of our base voters who stick with the party year after year. That includes PoC especially women.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:15:00pm

re: #6 makeitstop

Rude Pundit has the right idea yet again.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

Rude Pundit’s argument would be better if his numbers were right. Moore did not get 92% of the White vote. CNN shows 68%, and that doesn’t factor the GOP non-vote that stayed away/blew up a write-in.

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whitebeach  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:18:08pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I’m sure Sleuth is aware but for those not

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JFC. If this sickening creep’s suicide attempt hadn’t worked out, I’d be chanting “Try again.”

And the fucker was from Bastrop, a rotten little town in the Klaniest part of Louisiana. We used to play them in football. It was a pretty pitiful place.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:18:50pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Narcissist in the clinical sense.

Hence the suicide message that blames everyone else. It’s getting the last word in.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:20:54pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Uggh, so disturbing.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:21:49pm

I went to the boozer tonight to watch the Rockets game with a wingnut buddy of mine. I was expecting to hear nothing but talk about how Doug Jones is a George Soros-funded, atheist abortion lover. We had three beers and talked about nothing but basketball the entire time, and Jones never came up. It was a nice night.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:22:53pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

“Jesus taught us to be armed,” said Johnson

not exactly sure what verse that is

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:23:32pm

re: #21 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

not exactly sure what verse that is

Genesis, duh.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:26:24pm

re: #21 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

not exactly sure what verse that is

The one where Jesus mistakes his neighbor for a deer.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:26:47pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I’m sure Sleuth is aware but for those not

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Just read the article. Wow!

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:28:12pm

re: #21 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

not exactly sure what verse that is

The night Jesus was arrested, he told his disciples to gather arms. Then Jesus went and prayed, and finally came to terms with what God wanted him to do. When one of his disciples cut the ear off of one of the arresting soldiers, Jesus healed the ear, and told the disciples to put the weapons away.

These nuts skip the last part, and the humanity of Jesus having to deal with his own death. Which once again shows they’re not true Christians, because it was his following through on God’s plan for him that made him Christ.

From the lesson plan “Atheists knowing Christianity.”

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:28:36pm

re: #24 DodgerFan1988

Just read the article. Wow!

JFC. So did I.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:29:58pm

re: #21 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

not exactly sure what verse that is

Luke 1:51:
He hath shown strength with His arm; He hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:32:17pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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Ha. This is good.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:33:02pm

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The Major  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:36:35pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:37:27pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I’m sure Sleuth is aware but for those not

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I read this. Just another typical Pulpit Pimp that family members would gladly toss their $$$ at…

And here’s the story of another Pulpit Pimp I had the EXTREME DISPLEASURE of encountering. This is one of the fucking crooks that fleeced thousands of dollars from my brainwashed Aunt—Paul Risser

sfgate.com

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:38:52pm

Lemme try my hand at this Maggie, cause you continue with this incredulous posture and palace intrigue angle and it’s honestly pitiful.

The White House, where officials and Trump brandish a history of pushing verifiable lies while falsely indicting the media with more attacks on 1A, once again refuted by one of it’s own agencies as the Secret Service reports they deactivated Omarosa’s pass last night after WH asserts amicable separation.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:38:54pm

re: #31 The Major

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:39:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:41:20pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

I’m sure Sleuth is aware but for those not

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I said it downstairs…there were many, many scary things about Dan Johnson, not just the predator stuff. People knew but he had surrounded himself with his church people and like-thinkers, who kept propping him up as a godly man.
jeebus…he even referred to himself as “Pope Johnson”, that’s how weird he was.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:41:55pm

re: #35 jaunte

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KGB type operation? Yeah that’s why Obama appointed Comey, a Republican who had been a deputy AG in the previous Republican administration to run it. Keep on talking about the men and women who work for the FBI like this FNC and then act shocked when they talk negatively about you and Trumpy. Beyond disgusting to liken them to the KGB especially when FNC enables a man who bows to a former KGB man in Putin. FNC is doing everything it can to discredit the men and women investigating Trump. It’s disgusting and I wonder about the legality of it.

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jaunte  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:42:52pm

Thomas J. “Tom” Fitton is an American conservative activist. He is the President of Judicial Watch, a conservative “educational” foundation.
en.wikipedia.org

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:46:01pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

KGB type operation? Yeah that’s why Obama appointed Comey, a Republican who had been a deputy AG in the previous Republican administration to run it. Keep on talking about the men and women who work for the FBI like this FNC and then act shocked when they talk negatively about you and Trumpy. Beyond disgusting to liken them to the KGB especially when FNC enables a man who bows to a former KGB man in Putin. FNC is doing everything it can to discredit the men and women investigating Trump. It’s disgusting and I wonder about the legality of it.

While you can’t lie to the FBI, its perfectly legal to lie about the FBI.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:46:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:46:58pm

re: #39 Big Beautiful Door

While you can’t lie to the FBI, its perfectly legal to lie about the FBI.

True. It’s dangerous as hell what they’re doing and have been doing for years on that Prada wannabe network.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:47:24pm

re: #38 jaunte

Thomas J. “Tom” Fitton is an American conservative activist. He is the President of Judicial Watch, a conservative “educational” foundation.
en.wikipedia.org

Yeah I know Judicial Watch. They sued my hometown in the Bush years.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:48:55pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing: they’re going to make it true. They don’t care that it’s substance-less, or who it hurts. All they want is a story that lets them do what them want.

Evidence is whatever can be assembled, after the fact, after the conclusions are drawn, to act as stage props.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:51:55pm

re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea

Here’s the thing: they’re going to make it true. They don’t care that it’s substance-less, or who it hurts. All they want is a story that lets them do what them want.

Evidence is whatever can be assembled, after the fact, after the conclusions are drawn, to act as stage props.

The propaganda works. Saw that with my own eyes last night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:52:22pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

True. It’s dangerous as hell what they’re doing and have been doing for years on that Prada wannabe network.

Tearing down the trust in governmental institutions is key to setting up an authoritarian state.

Ronald Reagan did the same with his statements about the scariest words in the English language “we’re from the government and we’re here to help you.”

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:57:16pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

KGB type operation? Yeah that’s why Obama appointed Comey, a Republican who had been a deputy AG in the previous Republican administration to run it. Keep on talking about the men and women who work for the FBI like this FNC and then act shocked when they talk negatively about you and Trumpy. Beyond disgusting to liken them to the KGB especially when FNC enables a man who bows to a former KGB man in Putin. FNC is doing everything it can to discredit the men and women investigating Trump. It’s disgusting and I wonder about the legality of it.

This Deep State bullshit is just getting out of hand. The FBI are federal cops. They aren’t spies. They go out every day and bust their asses trying to catch crooks being investigated for violating Federal laws.

When Faux News pulls this kind of interview/commentary masquerading as “news”, they attack the Government as surely as Russia Today.

Fuck ‘em right up the ass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:58:31pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 13, 2017 • 8:59:28pm

Our political process has been fictionalized far more than ever before, at internet speed and with nation state actor depth.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:04:41pm
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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:05:58pm
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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:09:53pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

That rings very true to me. Great inspection!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:12:03pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:12:53pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Tearing down the trust in governmental institutions is key to setting up an authoritarian state.

Ronald Reagan did the same with his statements about the scariest words in the English language “we’re from the government and we’re here to help you.”

Yep Reagan got away with it because his admirers spun it as wit.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:15:42pm

re: #46 austin_blue

This Deep State bullshit is just getting out of hand. The FBI are federal cops. They aren’t spies. They go out every day and bust their asses trying to catch crooks being investigated for violating Federal laws.

When Faux News pulls this kind of interview/commentary masquerading as “news”, they attack the Government as surely as Russia Today.

Fuck ‘em right up the ass.

re: #46 austin_blue

This Deep State bullshit is just getting out of hand. The FBI are federal cops. They aren’t spies. They go out every day and bust their asses trying to catch crooks being investigated for violating Federal laws.

When Faux News pulls this kind of interview/commentary masquerading as “news”, they attack the Government as surely as Russia Today.

Fuck ‘em right up the ass.

Well said. It’s just man so fucked up. And these assholes have the nerve to say we’re the ones who are “anti police.” FNC as you say attack the federal government of this country the way RT does and as a son and grandson of two lifers with the feds, it disgusts me so much on a personal leven.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:15:58pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

King of the affable ‘heh’ and a real piece of shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:18:35pm

re: #40 JordanRules

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whitebeach  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:18:41pm

re: #40 JordanRules

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Probably I’d swear on the Interstate as I fled town at all possible speed.

But if I actually had to put my hand on a book, I think it would be shits and giggles to use Das Kapital.

Or if it had to be something holy, I guess Huckleberry Finn would do.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:20:17pm

The whole tax reform scam is like a bad “bank heist” movie where the bad guys hear the sirens, you can see the sweat beads forming as their locksmith demands silence so he can hear the mechanisms fall, and they hope to just get the loot and disappear before they get caught. Because if this tax reform goes through, it’s the end of the GOP, plain and simple.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:20:41pm

re: #55 JordanRules

King of the affable ‘heh’ and a real piece of shit.

I’ll never respect him for his race baiting. My dad’s dad was around the same age. Totally different approach to treating people of color and people who weren’t well off. In fact, my grandparents marriage was an interclass one as his father was in the banking industry and her father an elevator operator.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:22:34pm

re: #35 jaunte

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Seems like the FBI was hunky dory when they were leaking to Giuliani and Comey was putting out statements about re-opening the investigation into Hillary’s emails. Wonder what happened…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:23:16pm

On the issue of Texas Congressman Blake Farenthold (R) and his own sexual harassment problems, it appears that he has released the domain blow-me (dot) org, which he registered in 1999.

talkingpointsmemo.com

[Lauren] Greene alleges that Farenthold, a congressman who made headlines earlier this week for being listed as the registrant for the URL blow-me.org in 1999 —only recently releasing it, made a number of attempts to gauge whether she was interested in having sex with him. The complaint filed by Greene alleges that Farenthold told Greene that he was estranged from his wife and had not had sex with her in years. It also said that he suggested that something on her skirt looked like semen.

It would also appear that the operative sent over to Farenthold’s office by Darrel Issa to “clean up his image” is actually working against Farenthold.

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Interesting Times  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:23:43pm

re: #40 JordanRules

Wrenchwench had the best answer to this question of all time:

Someone should get sworn in on a Kindle with 5,000 books in it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:23:58pm

FNC is shocked that Trumps actions impact what FBI agents think of him.

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:25:18pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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“Toxic” is the operative word. The purity ponies helped give us Trump. I see them trying to walk back their positions, but it’s with the sincerity of embarrassed Fuckwits who have finally realized they screwed the pooch. My opinion is that they should be welcomed back to the Democratic Party like the silly children they are, as long as they admit their sins. They chose poorly, they must repent.

So, Susan Sarandon, you must repent and give us all a major mea culpa. And that goes for the rest of your fellow fools. We need a united Party going forward, and your ilk cannot be accepted back into the fold without confession and contrition.

I realize that my Catholic education informs this position, but a generalized “fuck off!” to former Bernie Bros is not going to help us in the long run. In the end, we need them.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:25:53pm

re: #62 Interesting Times

Wrenchwench had the best answer to this question of all time:

Not a bad answer. After all, many books influence us. Hell even though I’m not religious, I’m sure the Bible has me too but so have other holy texts. I’ve learned some wonderful Jewish and Islamic scriptures from VB and the late CL.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:27:38pm

re: #62 Interesting Times

That’s perfect!
Bibliophiles for POTUS!

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:27:45pm

re: #62 Interesting Times

Wrenchwench had the best answer to this question of all time:

Make the case say “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:27:57pm

re: #64 austin_blue

Maybe we need the so-called Bernie Bros, but we don’t need the rodent copulators who pose as Bernie Bros.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:28:14pm
If you were sworn in to a position in the US govt, what would you swear on?

A copy of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, with a towel draped over my shoulder.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:28:33pm

re: #67 Belafon

Make the case say “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.”

GMTA

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:29:01pm

re: #66 JordanRules

That’s perfect!
Bibliophiles for POTUS!

Can my wife the librarian swear in on the whole public library?

It would take a bit of work to get her safely to the roof of the Library of Congress (or even our village public library)… .

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:30:06pm

re: #64 austin_blue

The ones who want to come back are already back, the rest were just trying to get Joy Reid fired a week ago and then had the nerve to try to take credit for the W last night after doing none of the work.

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Targetpractice  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:31:06pm

Or perhaps I should just swear on a copy of Atlas Shrugged, then when the media give me shit about it declare “I’m just following the GOP’s lead.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:31:20pm

A book copy of Inherit the Wind would maybe work. We saw that play at Fords in 2000, the year of Gore v Bush and it shaped me. The idea of punishing a man over teaching evolution. Gideon v Wainwright end learning more about that case shaped me too.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:32:33pm

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

That would be amazing!!! I’m getting superhero visuals.

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:33:07pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

GMTA

And yes, there’s an xkcd for that: xkcd.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:33:27pm

The UN universal declaration of human rights.
un.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:33:43pm

re: #75 JordanRules

That would be amazing!!! I’m getting superhero visuals.

SuperBeth!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:35:49pm

I guess if I had to swear on anything, I’d use the book with all the swear words. The Urban Dictionary.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:35:52pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Conqueror of DailyKos Rec Lists and slayer of censorship!

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:41:06pm

More of the “interesting times” we live in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:44:14pm

LOL

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:46:00pm

re: #81 JordanRules

More of the “interesting times” we live in.

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The R’s are fracturing. Please, continue the trend. Three Senators, please, to torpedo the tax bill.

Just three people of conscience to do the right thing. The New Year is a new day.

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whitebeach  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:49:27pm

Come to think of it, on this swearing thing, there’s the true but often ignored aphorism that politicians swear on the Bible to defend the Constitution, not the other way around. So why not cut out the extraneous literature and just swear on the Constitution to begin with?

Either that, or when the Chief Justice or whoever says “Do you solemnly swear to blah-blah-blah,” you flat-out go ahead and do it: “Fuckin A.”

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Belafon  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:50:31pm

re: #81 JordanRules

More of the “interesting times” we live in.

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While I don’t want any Republicans in office right now, imagine if through various appointments, half of the Senate became women. I believe, given the chance, women, on average, will do no better or worse than men (I see lots of women speeding on my way to work), but just think of the freak-out among some men if the gender division became equal.

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retired cynic  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:50:45pm

re: #84 whitebeach

Come to think of it, on this swearing thing, there’s the true but often ignored aphorism that politicians swear on the Bible to defend the Constitution, not the other way around. So why not cut out the extraneous literature and just swear on the Constitution to begin with?

Either that, or when the Chief Justice or whoever says “Do you solemnly swear to blah-blah-blah,” you flat-out go ahead and do it: “Fuckin A.”

I like that. No books. Just “I swear to uphold the constitution.” Period.

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LadyBehir  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:53:27pm

re: #65 HappyWarrior

Not a bad answer. After all, many books influence us. Hell even though I’m not religious, I’m sure the Bible has me too but so have other holy texts. I’ve learned some wonderful Jewish and Islamic scriptures from VB and the late CL.

I do like the idea of the Kindle packed with many many books. But you reference “the late CL” - I lurk here often enough to recognize names but hardly ever in a timely fashion to contribute. I had not heard what happened to CL. Could someone enlighten me?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:54:01pm

LOL Driftglass and Blue Gal in a Red State’s podcast starts with a commercial for a fake company, Heritage Hole. Heritage Hole helps you burnish your memories and forget inconvenient things like cheerleading the Iraq War when you loudly claim you are now an independent.

bgalrstate.blogspot.com

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:55:25pm

re: #84 whitebeach

Come to think of it, on this swearing thing, there’s the true but often ignored aphorism that politicians swear on the Bible to defend the Constitution, not the other way around. So why not cut out the extraneous literature and just swear on the Constitution to begin with?

Either that, or when the Chief Justice or whoever says “Do you solemnly swear to blah-blah-blah,” you flat-out go ahead and do it: “Fuckin A.”

J. Q. Adams swore his oath as President on a book of Constitutional Law rulings. Basically the same thing. Yeah, swearing on the Constitution to uphold the Constitution makes perfect sense. No religion, no bullshit. When I took the oath as an officer in the USAF, there were no books, just my solemn word, heartfelt and true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:56:42pm

re: #89 austin_blue

J. Q. Adams swore his oath as President on a book of Constitutional Law rulings. Basically the same thing. Yeah, swearing on the Constitution to uphold the Constitution makes perfect sense. No religion, no bullshit. When I took the oath as an officer in the USAF, there were no books, just my solemn word, heartfelt and true.

Taking my affirmations in the Navy I simply held up my hand and made my declarations.

Taking my affirmations for the village board were done with the US and state constitutions.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:57:12pm

re: #87 LadyBehir

I do like the idea of the Kindle packed with many many books. But you reference “the late CL” - I lurk here often enough to recognize names but hardly ever in a timely fashion to contribute. I had not heard what happened to CL. Could someone enlighten me?

She passed away last year sadly. Such a great poster and friend.

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:59:24pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

She passed away last year sadly. Such a great poster and friend.

We all mourn her loss. What a lovely, insightful, and intelligent woman.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 9:59:57pm

re: #89 austin_blue

J. Q. Adams swore his oath as President on a book of Constitutional Law rulings. Basically the same thing. Yeah, swearing on the Constitution to uphold the Constitution makes perfect sense. No religion, no bullshit. When I took the oath as an officer in the USAF, there were no books, just my solemn word, heartfelt and true.

And JQ Adams was far from hostile to religion but rightfully didn’t like mixing politics with it. I think he’s an underrated figure. A real jack of all trades- diplomat, legislator,President, and legislator again. Also a fine abolitionist.

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:00:55pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

And JQ Adams was far from hostile to religion but rightfully didn’t like mixing politics with it. I think he’s an underrated figure. A real jack of all trades- diplomat, legislator,President, and legislator again. Also a fine abolitionist.

He was his Father’s son.

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JordanRules  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:01:40pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:01:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:01:52pm

re: #92 austin_blue

We all mourn her loss. What a lovely woman.

She had so many friends here. I enjoyed her stories about being a cab driver. Just as you said, a lovely woman who made LGF a better place to post.

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LadyBehir  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:02:42pm

I had enjoyed her posts also. I had noticed no posts from her but people do take breaks or move on. Will keep her in my prayers (and not in a “thoughts and prayers” manner).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:02:58pm

re: #94 austin_blue

He was his Father’s son.

Indeed. A fine heir. A little weird heh but I’d take him over Calhoun and Jackson.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:05:08pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

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WTF is he babbling about? Listen Tucker, most women are probably fine with you saying they’re attractive but it crosses into harassment when you’re telling your female coworkers how hot they are constantly and giving them sex toys. Stop whining about being told you should have class, asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:06:34pm

re: #98 LadyBehir

I had enjoyed her posts also. I had noticed no posts from her but people do take breaks or move on. Will keep her in my prayers (and not in a “thoughts and prayers” manner).

Yeah. It happens. I think RWC is the one who talked to her son. He was particularly close with her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:06:45pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

There is a difference between the officer’s oath for commissioning and the enlistment oath (differences highlighted)

Officer’s oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. (optional)

Enlistment oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God. (optional)

The mental reservation clause does not appear in the enlistment oath, because an enlistee can be drafted. The obedience clause in the enlistment oath does not appear in the officer’s oath.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:09:25pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

She had so many friends here. I enjoyed her stories about being a cab driver. Just as you said, a lovely woman who made LGF a better place to post.

I miss Curious Lurker here, and we did not have much overlap time between the day I joined and the day she passed away. She was a loss to this community that will echo for a long time to come.

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:21:34pm

Dan Johnson.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:23:43pm

The Star Wars: Concept Trailer from The DAVE School on Vimeo.

The Star Wars: Concept Trailer

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:30:15pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

The Star Wars: Concept Trailer from The DAVE School on Vimeo.

The credits at the end are literally twice as long as the trailer portion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:30:18pm

huffingtonpost.com

Huffington Post has an article up with speculation that Paul Ryan may end his time in Congress as soon has he gets his tax reform destruction of the social safety net.

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teleskiguy  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:35:28pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

David Lynch’s Return of the Jedi

In 1981 George Lucas approached David Lynch to direct the final installment of the STAR WARS trilogy. For years fans of Lynch and Lucas have wondered what that surreal vision would look like. Now we finally know…. in David Lynch’s RETURN OF THE JEDI.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:41:39pm

re: #108 teleskiguy

I feel like I need to do a stint in rehab now

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austin_blue  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:50:15pm

Night all. Sweet dreams. Today was a good day. Let’s see what tomorrow brings.

I’m hopeful, but wary. The tax bill hangs over our heads like an ax.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 13, 2017 • 10:58:42pm

re: #86 retired cynic

I like that. No books. Just “I swear to uphold the constitution.” Period.

instead i end up watching politicians on tv and exclaiming “i swear!!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 13, 2017 • 11:15:32pm

Off to bed for me. Long drive tomorrow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 13, 2017 • 11:58:53pm

re: #40 JordanRules

If you were sworn in to a position in the US govt, what would you swear on?

There are plenty of sophisticated RW arguments about Islam and its supposed incompatibility with democratic values, but Moore’s spokesperson could only come up with one completely idiotic argument about Moslems not being able to swear on a Bible and gaped like a deer in the headlights when confronted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:01:30am

re: #64 austin_blue

“Toxic” is the operative word. The purity ponies helped give us Trump.

They also gave cover and support to tons of bots and Machiavellian RNC ratfuckers who just wanted to see the weaker candidate prevail, and failing that, to at least attack HRC in the process.

And these fuckwits were too ideologically blindered to see how they were being played.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:27:09am

re: #57 whitebeach

Probably I’d swear on the Interstate as I fled town at all possible speed.

But if I actually had to put my hand on a book, I think it would be shits and giggles to use Das Kapital.

Or if it had to be something holy, I guess Huckleberry Finn would do.

“Battle Cry of Freedom”.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:27:53am

re: #115 sagehen

“Battle Cry of Freedom”.

I read that whole book in jail.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:50:45am

Fully functional snowboard beer bong.

Instagram

Tbt funnel board @illfonzicks #ipickedupthecandontsendhatemail

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:52:45am

Not sure if anyone has reported it:

FRANKFORT, Ky. — Dan Johnson, a Republican state lawmaker in Kentucky who defiantly denied allegations that he sexually assaulted a teenage girl in the basement of his home, died in an apparent suicide Wednesday night, the county coroner said. He was 57.

Bullitt County Coroner Dave Billings said Johnson died of a single gunshot wound on Greenwell Ford Road in Mount Washington, Kentucky. Billings said Johnson stopped his car at the end of a bridge in a secluded area, then got out and walked to the front of the car. He said an autopsy is scheduled for Thursday morning.

msn.com

I used to live in Bullitt County, so I kinda know where this place is. Some of those areas are still very rural, with little traffic, foot or otherwise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:54:17am

re: #118 wheat-dogg

Not sure if anyone has reported it:

msn.com

Conservative white male driven to suicide by fake allegations of sexual impropriety. Another method of white genocide!

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:58:52am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conservative white male driven to suicide by fake allegations of sexual impropriety. Another method of white genocide!

THE HONKEYCAUST!

ooga booga

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:05:33am

re: #120 teleskiguy

THE HONKEYCAUST!

ooga booga

driving them out of office isn’t enough…

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:13:09am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Conservative white male driven to suicide by fake allegations of sexual impropriety. Another method of white genocide!

Johnson posted on Facebook about suffering from PTSD before he committed suicide. I don’t know much about him, or how he ended up with PTSD, but I can’t gloat over his death. The man clearly had some serious issues, which (it is worth noting) his church and religion did nothing to allay. He may have decided death would be easier on his family than having all his sexual proclivities discussed in public. Or easier on him.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:13:44am

I’m still rather dumbfounded by Doug Jones’ victory in Alabama. I want to temper my “something big is happening in American politics” feeling because on balance this country is heavily populated by ignorant savages. Doug Jones prevailing in Alabama makes it hard to be measured and cynical in these things. In short, I have a li’l hope.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:15:34am

re: #122 wheat-dogg

Read this. The guy was a complete scumbag and he took the easy way out rather than face justice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:21:16am

re: #122 wheat-dogg

Johnson posted on Facebook about suffering from PTSD before he committed suicide. I don’t know much about him, or how he ended up with PTSD, but I can’t gloat over his death. The man clearly had some serious issues, which (it is worth noting) his church and religion did nothing to allay. He may have decided death would be easier on his family than having all his sexual proclivities discussed in public. Or easier on him.

I was just commenting on the sort of spin this is going to see in the media. Every case is different and needs to be discussed on its own merits. That is difficult to impossible in our current climate of discourse, which is all abut tweets, talking points and internet memes, totally devoid of nuance.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:21:18am

re: #124 teleskiguy

Read this. The guy was a complete scumbag and he took the easy way out rather than face justice.

Oh, I know that part of his story. He was a scumbag, and had I been living in Bullitt County when he ran for office, I would have campaigned for his opponent. I won’t miss Johnson at all. But I can’t revel in his death.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:23:08am

If you have not read this op-ed piece by Salma Hayek about Harvey Weinstein, do it. Talk about scumbags; Weinstein was a total putz on many different levels.

nytimes.com

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:27:12am

I’m ambivalent about evil people killing themselves. Yeah, their victims will never get justice in the flesh, but the evil person voluntarily rid themselves from this planet and that’s not all bad.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:28:18am

re: #118 wheat-dogg

The exposé on Johnson by the KYCIR is astounding. It’s a mind-boggling read.

longcon.kycir.org

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:31:39am

re: #124 teleskiguy

Read this. The guy was a complete scumbag and he took the easy way out rather than face justice.

I just realized I have visited this church. When I was with my ex, she had gotten into Pentacostalism and dragged me to this church one time. I found it so revolting I refused to go there again, and I’ve put the experience completely out of my mind. So, I’m not sure if Johnson was the preacher that day. Probably he was.

Louisville has several born-again megachurches, and my ex dragged me to those, too, before her fascination with Pentacostalism finally waned. Southeast Christian (or Six Flags Over Jesus, as a friend calls it) is the biggest, but there’s an Assembly of God church whose name I’ve forgotten that’s a close second. Scary places.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:33:11am

If James Holmes - the Aurora theater gunman who shot 70 people, 12 of whom died, including a 6-year-old girl - killed himself, I would say that’s a good thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:37:59am

re: #127 wheat-dogg

If you have not read this op-ed piece by Salma Hayek about Harvey Weinstein, do it. Talk about scumbags; Weinstein was a total putz on many different levels.

nytimes.com

Just started watching a rather interesting Civil War-era horror movie on Amazon: “Dead Birds”. I am finding it enjoyable and very well done even though the captions indicate that it is a Harvey Weinstein production.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:52:39am

Thread. Add this to the canon of ‘men are awful.’

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:01:23am

China’s 70-year-old shuffle dancer.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:07:45am

Mike Pence’s wet dream.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 2:48:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:03:03am

file this under “no shit, dick tracy”:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:07:29am

oh…

By Devra First Globe Staff December 13, 2017

At a campaign rally Monday night, Kayla Moore spoke in support of her husband, Roy, who at the time was running for Alabama senator. Last night, the seat went to opponent Doug Jones, a Democrat, whom Donald Trump congratulated via Twitter for his hard-fought victory. (“It never ends!” Trump tweeted, telling the truth.)

But before that all happened, Kayla Moore felt the need to declare how much she and Roy Moore like Jews. “One of our attorneys is a Jew. We have very close friends that are Jewish, and rabbis, and we also fellowship with them.”

Something about that last sentence didn’t quite pass the smell test. Were the Moores really fellowshipping with rabbis? There was only one way to find out. I decided I would try to call every rabbi in Alabama. Here is what happened.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:09:19am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

file this under “no shit, dick tracy”:

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I’m sure I’m just imagining what looks like a satisfied smirk on his face in that pic…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:10:55am

I’m seeing on twitter that the Geminids are awesome right now. Too overcast here to see anything…damnit…

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:12:03am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Isn’t one of VB’s offspring an Alabama rabbi?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:14:04am

re: #141 sagehen

Isn’t one of VB’s offspring an Alabama rabbi?

IIRC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:17:58am

who would have guessed?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:24:04am

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

We tried to find the rabbi Roy Moore’s wife said they’re friends with. Here’s what happened.

was there any question that they were just making up shit in order to get elected?

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:29:59am

In the process of eating another of my knit hats. I have a lot of knit hats, they’re pretty much required in winter in the colder reaches of planet Earth.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:38:03am

re: #145 teleskiguy

In the process of eating another of my knit hats. I have a lot of knit hats, they’re pretty much required in winter in the colder reaches of planet Earth.

I have one that says Aspen, though I have never actually been to Aspen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:40:06am

re: #145 teleskiguy

In the process of eating another of my knit hats. I have a lot of knit hats, they’re pretty much required in winter in the colder reaches of planet Earth.

look, the fact that there was a realistic chance of a fellow like that winning at all was bad enough.

and remember, the GOP had a backup plan: Alabama is going to change its laws to allow the governor to appoint a new senator for two years should the current one(s) be unable to serve.

they would have seated Moore, then run him out on an ethics charge, thus projecting the image that they still have the least shred of of moral decency, let him be replaced by another R, who, in two years, would have been established enough to be re-elected easily even if Moore chose to run again.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:42:44am

re: #146 wheat-dogg

I have one that says Aspen, though I have never actually been to Aspen.

Aspen is in the upper reaches of the next drainage to the south, about 30 miles from here. It’s a 75 mile drive because mountains.

I’ve always thought Aspen as a beautiful little town with quirky people, still do. That said, I also know the town is decadent and depraved, that routinely chews up and spits out lots of good people (some of whom are dead).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:43:36am

re: #148 teleskiguy

Aspen is in the upper reaches of the next drainage to the south, about 30 miles from here. It’s an 85 mile drive because mountains.

I’ve always thought Aspen as a beautiful little town with quirky people, still do. That said, I also know the town is decadent and depraved, that routinely chews up and spits out lots of good people (some of whom are dead).

Hunter S. Thompson made his home there, that speaks volumes…

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:46:26am

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hunter S. Thompson made his home there, that speaks volumes…

He lived up Woody Creek, about 10 miles by road to downtown Aspen, to this day it’s still really out of the way from anywhere. I’ve driven by Owl Farm a few times, it’s a little place.

Sure, HST called himself an Aspen local, but he lived very far away from Aspen proper.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:47:16am

re: #150 teleskiguy

He lived up Woody Creek, about 10 miles by road to downtown Aspen, to this day it’s still really out of the way from anywhere. I’ve driven by Owl Farm a few times, it’s a little place.

Sure, HST called himself an Aspen local, but he lived very far away from Aspen proper.

Did he not run for mayor there?

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:48:49am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did he not run for mayor there?

In 1970 HST ran for Sheriff of Pitkin County (Aspen is the county seat). He almost won. Carried the votes of Aspen city proper, got completely denied outside city limits.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:49:49am

re: #148 teleskiguy

Aspen is in the upper reaches of the next drainage to the south, about 30 miles from here. It’s a 75 mile drive because mountains.

I’ve always thought Aspen as a beautiful little town with quirky people, still do. That said, I also know the town is decadent and depraved, that routinely chews up and spits out lots of good people (some of whom are dead).

I’ve heard it’s like a Hollywood away from Hollywood, with the usual celebrity hijinx and excess. Probably worth a visit, just to see if I could find any celebs in the wild.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:53:44am

re: #153 wheat-dogg

I’ve heard it’s like a Hollywood away from Hollywood, with the usual celebrity hijinx and excess. Probably worth a visit, just to see if I could find any celebs in the wild.

A few years ago I was there for some Umphrey’s McGee concerts at Belly Up. I woke up early, hooked some of the band crew members up with equipment, and took a couple of runs. I got hungry. It was 10 or 10:30 in the morning. I went to a breakfast joint I knew of and they sat me and a friend of mine down. And who do we see three tables away but Ivanka, Jared, and their three kids. My friend was the first to notice, we sat down and she nudged me and whispered in my ear “Ivanka Trump is right over there.” Sure enough…

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:55:19am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did he not run for mayor there?

Here’s his poster he made and distributed around Aspen in the fall of 1970.

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teleskiguy  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:56:54am

I am officially a Democrat on voting rolls. But on Facebook - which is nosy as fuck and asks you all kinds of questions, including political affiliation - I am a member of the Freak Power Party.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:58:28am
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DodgerFan1988  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:03:56am

The Right blaming Dan Johnson’s suicide on his victim and her “false accusations” of rape. Of course.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:09:35am

re: #158 DodgerFan1988

The Right blaming Dan Johnson’s suicide on his victim and her “false accusations” of rape. Of course.

Kentucky State Rep. Dan Johnson commits suicide on bridge in Mt. Washington. He shot himself! - SO LEFTIST SCUM, THIS IS WHAT YOU DROVE A MAN TO. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AN INNOCENT MAN’S DEATH, YOU SICK PEOPLE!

I was joking last night about how this was going to be spun as a man driven to desperate acts by false allegations from leftist scum.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:10:05am
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jeffreyw  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:16:59am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:22:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:22:52am

Aren’t these the same people who adamantly believe Pizzagate was real? Or that the DNC killed Seth Rich? Yes we have due process. We also have a right to report crimes against us. I’m not happy Johnson killed himself but I definitely don’t see his suicide as proof of innocence. And frankly I don’t want to see people who support Trump gripe about due process given his call for executing the Central Park Five snd his/their own actions on Kate in SF. It really is unbelievable and I’ve seen this with people I actually know. The right doesn’t live in reality in this country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:24:05am

re: #163 HappyWarrior

These are all just talking points, remember these people do not retreat, they reload.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:30:06am

I’m old enough to remember when Liberals we’re accused of not caring about crimes by conservatives. Now these same people attack people who have been victims of crimes. They have no proof Johnson was innocent. And yes we do have innocence until proven guilty which they themselves violate when they accuse accusers of wrongful accusations.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:31:06am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These are all just talking points, remember these people do not retreat, they reload.

They get worse daily & I’m continuing to be distressed that they’re my countrymen and women.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:35:13am

I’m prolly pushing it here but Oh Well.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:38:20am

re: #167 Dave In Austin

I’m prolly pushing it here but Oh Well.

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He’s got no proof at all. He just can’t accept that decency prevailed in Alabama. The other thing is the CTs about the votes flipping. When you’re a party that overwhelmingly is shit in urban and areas of high population, that will happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:38:22am

re: #166 HappyWarrior

They get worse daily & I’m continuing to be distressed that they’re my countrymen and women.

It is an attention-seeking downward spiral, and we are from from hitting bottom.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:39:40am

We outnumber the bastards. We need to get out the vote in our cities and large suburbs. There’s only so much votes GOP areas provide.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:40:13am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

He’s got no proof at all. He just can’t accept that decency prevailed in Alabama. The other thing is the CTs about the votes flipping. When you’re a party that overwhelmingly is shit in urban and areas of high population, that will happen.

Considering the troubles AL voters encountered voting, I doubt any MS voters would have had an easier time sneaking their votes in.

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:42:57am

May dog help us all

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:43:37am

re: #171 wheat-dogg

Considering the troubles AL voters encountered voting, I doubt any MS voters would have had an easier time sneaking their votes in.

Those are inconvenient facts that the right can’t accept. They really do believe they’re the majority in this country even though a Republican presidential nom has only gotten over 50% once since 1992.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:44:17am

re: #172 wheat-dogg

May dog help us all

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Sigh. I hate this new normal.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:45:12am

The fact that he doesn’t know abt briefing critical of Russia. I don’t even know where to begin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:47:46am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Those are inconvenient facts that the right can’t accept. They really do believe they’re the majority in this country even though a Republican presidential nom has only gotten over 50% once since 1992.

we have a system that allows them to stay in power without a majority of votes.

again, recall the George Carlin quote: “Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half of them are stupider than that”.

Now imagine a system that allows the stupid half to control a majority the Senate and the Electoral vote, and has gerrymandered voting districts to give them control of the House of Representatives…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:49:03am

re: #171 wheat-dogg

Considering the troubles AL voters encountered voting, I doubt any MS voters would have had an easier time sneaking their votes in.

Precisely! Republicans thought they had this election in the bag thanks to Voter ID and KKKobach’s KKKroscheKKK which threw lots of poor and colored people off of the rolls. Now Republicans are going to double down on Voter ID which is a clear violation of the 24th Amendment. And they’ll also ignore the 14th and 15th Amendments by continuing to block Democrats from voting.

It’s time to blow the dust off of Section 2 of the 14th Amendment and punish states denying people the right to vote by stripping Representatives away from them. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see people like Grothman, Farenthold, Hice and Gohmert removed from the House under the 14th Amendment provisions!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:49:29am

re: #172 wheat-dogg

Totally normal for a president’s intelligence briefings to be “structured to avoid upsetting him.”

just like it was acceptable in Communist Romania to avoid reporting winter temperatures below -10°C so people did not feel as cold when their building heating was not working…

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nowherenorth2  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:49:44am

The Dan Johnson thing ia interesting because is an unclean man (that article was good and well written) and yet the right defend him like he is clean and dirt free

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:50:19am

Texas gun range employee accidentally shoots and kills man while working on rifle

A Texas gun range employee accidentally shot and killed a man while working on a weapon Tuesday, authorities said.

Joshua Cummings, 36 was fatally shot when the employee’s hunting rifle accidentally went off at the Hot Wells Gun Range in Cypress after 9 a.m., the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said.

Deputies arrived at the range and found Cummings with a “traumatic gunshot wound.” Another employee told KPRC-TV that Cummings was shot in the head.

Cummings was taken to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead, authorities said.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:50:58am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we have a system that allows them to stay in power without a majority of votes.

again, recall the George Carlin quote: “Think about how stupid the average person is. Then remember that half of them are stupider than that”.

Now imagine a system that allows the stupid half to control a majority the Senate and the Electoral vote, and has gerrymandered voting districts to give them control of the House of Representatives…

I know about the system. Doesn’t change they’ve only received the popular vote once since ‘92.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:51:04am

re: #179 nowherenorth2

The Dan Johnson thing ia interesting because is an unclean man (that article was good and well written) and yet the right defend him like he is clean and dirt free

because he can be painted as a victim of liberal hate

and so desperate and helpless that baseless accusations were enough to drive him to kill himself without challenging them

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:51:35am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I know about the system. Doesn’t change they’ve only received the popular vote once since ‘92.

but they won in 2000 and 2016 and our nation is going to pay for that for a long time

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:52:40am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they won in 2000 and 2016 and our nation is going to pay for that for a long time

I know. I’m just emphasizing this. We not them are the majority and when we vote, we win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:53:50am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I know. I’m just emphasizing this. We not them are the majority and when we vote in the right places, we win.

that seems to be the trick…less than 100K votes in the Midwest would have changed 2016

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nowherenorth2  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:55:01am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Agreed. Because liberal lies and liberal tears and what not…ugh delusional.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 4:56:38am

One interesting detail in the long expose of Rep Johnson from KY is that he was getting disability payments from the State of New York from PTSD he got from being an on scene clergy on 9/11. Except he wasn’t there. No one remembers him, he’s in no photos or videos, and he would not have had any resources to set up the so called makeshift morgue he says he did.

His suicide was an escape from the life of lies he constructed coming undone. That was HIS call, no one else’s.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:02:00am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This same range offered free firearms classes to “Pastors, Assistant Pastors, Priest, Deacons, Ministers, Assistant Ministers, and Rabbis” after the Sutherland Springs mass shooting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:04:31am

re: #141 sagehen

Isn’t one of VB’s offspring an Alabama rabbi?

My son used to live in Birmingham but he has moved to Florida.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:05:30am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Texas gun range employee accidentally shoots and kills man while working on rifle

Are they sure it was an accident?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:07:48am

Louie is so mad bro

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:09:07am

re: #179 nowherenorth2

The Dan Johnson thing ia interesting because is an unclean man (that article was good and well written) and yet the right defend him like he is clean and dirt free

He had Gawd and Jaysus … and was a Republican.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:09:47am

re: #190 sagehen
I have a hard time with the word accident when it comes to guns. Negligence is better. I prefer Fucking Careless Stupid Shit, but that’s just me…

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:11:55am
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danarchy  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:17:52am

More Reps behaving badly. Why do I have a feeling the next few months are going to lead to a lot of turnover in congress.

thehill.com

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wheat-dogg  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:19:19am

re: #195 danarchy

More Reps behaving badly. Why do I have a feeling the next few months are going to lead to a lot of turnover in congress.

thehill.com

Well, it’s one way to clean house. /half

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:23:23am

re: #193 A Mom Anon

I have a hard time with the word accident when it comes to guns. Negligence is better. I prefer Fucking Careless Stupid Shit, but that’s just me…

handguns are designed to shoot people. When something like that happens, it is not an accident, that is just them fulfilling their purpose. That should be the basis of a new set of liability laws.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:24:33am

re: #190 sagehen

Are they sure it was an accident?

Pretty sure. The victim had just gotten out of his car and was walking up to the office when he was hit. The sheriff has referred the case to the grand jury, which is SOP in cases like this.
The doofus who shot me in 1982 wasn’t expecting much in the way of consequences, other than being fired (since he worked with me) but the grand jury surprised him (and me) by returning a reckless conduct indictment. He pled guilty and got off with a fine and probation, in addition to the misdemeanor fine he paid for discharging a firearm in the city limits.
A fatality should obviously rate much stiffer penalties but given the crazy atmosphere today, especially in Texas, the shooter may get off with no legal consequence at all. The range’s insurance company will be out millions however.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:27:07am

re: #193 A Mom Anon

100% preventable, same with backing accidents in vehicles.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:27:19am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:27:49am
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nowherenorth2  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:30:11am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:32:15am

This thread was some quality live tweeting of the press conference.

Some sounds familiar, just more polished.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:41:23am
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BlueSpotinAL  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:44:16am

Dang it! Beat to the punch.
A woman who gets out the vote
al.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:48:55am

Doug Jones will have to run again in 2020, I wonder if Trump will have coattails?

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:56:39am

re: #199 Shropshire Slasher

One small problem with that comparison. Guns have one specific job and that is for killing. Cars are not designed to kill, it is not their primary use. Back over accidents are accidents.They are more preventable now with technology/rear facing cameras, but not everyone has a new car with those options. Cars are also more heavily regulated, licensed and insured. Hence the constantly updated safety features. Guns, not so much these days.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 14, 2017 • 5:58:57am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:11:07am
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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:18:41am

re: #123 teleskiguy

I’m still rather dumbfounded by Doug Jones’ victory in Alabama. I want to temper my “something big is happening in American politics” feeling because on balance this country is heavily populated by ignorant savages. Doug Jones prevailing in Alabama makes it hard to be measured and cynical in these things. In short, I have a li’l hope.

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they won in 2000 and 2016 and our nation is going to pay for that for a long time

This is why neither wins nor losses get me all that worked up. After a win, I wake up in the morning and have to go to work. After a loss, I wake up in the morning and have to go to work. After this win, Republicans are still intent on gutting the government. We have a lot of work to do. I’m optimistic that 2018 and 2020 are going to rock the Republican party to the core, because a majority of Democrats are finally woke. But we’ll still have a lot of work to do, and I’ll still have a kid in college and one at home.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:19:23am

I find Portugal and Spain quite troubling. And Turkey, you folks just keep that stuff inside your own homes. OK?
And Ireland, just try to keep the world ending paradoxes to a minimum.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:23:25am

re: #46 austin_blue

This Deep State bullshit is just getting out of hand. The FBI are federal cops. They aren’t spies. They go out every day and bust their asses trying to catch crooks being investigated for violating Federal laws.

When Faux News pulls this kind of interview/commentary masquerading as “news”, they attack the Government as surely as Russia Today.

Fuck ‘em right up the ass.

Blue lives matter, until they are looking into your past dealings.

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:23:54am

Of course accidents are preventable, with guns more so given their sheer simplicity of operation. One injury is too many. But progress is ongoing. A gun range presents less of a threat to a customer or employee than the drive to and from. But thousands of ranges each with hundreds or of customers, not sure zero is actually achievable.

Shooting range death rare, but reverberates
pe.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:24:39am

re: #203 JordanRules

Asked about the absence of a serious political challenger/number 2, Putin says it isn’t his job to cultivate opponents to himself

he “cultivates” them by planting them in the ground…

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nowherenorth2  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:27:20am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Zing

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:30:45am

re: #213 Unshaken Defiance

Of course accidents are preventable, with guns more so given their sheer simplicity of operation. One is too many. But progress is ongoing. A gun range presents less of a threat to a customer or employee than the drive to and from. But thousands of ranges each with hundreds or of customers, not sure zero is actually achievable.

Shooting range death rare, but reverberates
pe.com

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At least that’s one place they’re trying, and getting results. No, you won’t ever get it to zero, but if you closed all the gun ranges, the places these people would go and shoot would put many more lives in danger. It looks like they do that gun range deaths seriously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:34:10am

re: #216 Belafon

At least that’s one place they’re trying, and getting results. No, you won’t ever get it to zero, but if you closed all the gun ranges, the places these people would go and shoot would put many more lives in danger. It looks like they do that gun range deaths seriously.

again, if someone gets killed by a car, that’s an accident as cars are not designed to kill people. Handguns are designed for one purpose, namely to kill or injure people, and for that reason, the approach to liability must be a different one.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:35:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:36:24am

re: #218 Dr. Matt

Roy Moore refuses to concede the election. Does he think he won the popular vote by historic numbers but lost the election due to archaic rules?

busloads of ringers brought in from MS

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:37:55am

re: #219 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

busloads of ringers brought in from MS

And the buses were paid for by Soros and then everyone got a Tesla.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:37:58am

re: #213 Unshaken Defiance

Of course accidents are preventable, with guns more so given their sheer simplicity of operation. One injury is too many. But progress is ongoing. A gun range presents less of a threat to a customer or employee than the drive to and from. But thousands of ranges each with hundreds or of customers, not sure zero is actually achievable.

Shooting range death rare, but reverberates
pe.com

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One factor is likely that the percentage of households with a firearm has been trending downward
Trends in Gun Ownership in the United States, 1972-2014

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:41:07am

re: #218 Dr. Matt

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Moore is pissed that the voter suppression tactics failed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:42:37am

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

Moore is pissed that the voter suppression tactics failed.

GOP learned that running a theocratic serial child molester is a great way to motivate the Democratic base.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:44:31am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

GOP learned that running a theocratic serial child molester is a great way to motivate the Democratic base.

Most of them probably not. They are learning that G-d is putting them through an ordeal of faith by allowing an agent of satan into the senate until the next election.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:46:21am

re: #224 Barefoot Grin

Most of them probably not. They are learning that G-d is putting them through an ordeal of faith by allowing an agent of satan into the senate until the next election.

That is PRECISELY what lying Pulpit Pimp Preachers like Franky Graham KKKraKKKer said when Obama was elected!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:47:35am

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

That is PRECISELY what lying Pulpit Pimp Preachers like Franky Graham KKKraKKKer said when Obama was elected!

weren’t they quoting some scripture about “wishing death to the tyrant over” Obama?

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:47:43am

re: #225 Joe Bacon 🌹

That is PRECISELY what lying Pulpit Pimp Preachers like Franky Graham KKKraKKKer said when Obama was elected!

I know some of them personally. See also: mass shootings are the price we pay for our freedom. Considerable, though not complete, overlap on the Venn diagram.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:48:33am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

weren’t they quoting some scripture about “wishing death to the tyrant over” Obama?

They certainly were.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:48:54am

Hell I remember some of these religious right types that wished death for the whole Obama family

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:50:47am

they will explain that God can forgive Roy Moore but never forgive babykiller democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:56:13am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they will explain that God can forgive Roy Moore but never forgive babykiller democrats.

Except Jimmy Carter. They hate him anyhow.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 6:57:27am

War on Christmas heats up!! 11ty!

Facebook Post

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:00:03am

re: #172 wheat-dogg

Why are they doing that? So what if it upsets him. He’s the goddamn President of the United States of America.

Does no one in the White House have the strength of character to tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up and listen? Is there no one to simply say, “Quit acting like a little bitch” when he throws a temper tantrum?

WTF?

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:00:04am

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

In general I suppose so, but many factors involved. It’s a little surprising given all the CCW permits issued.Those accident numbers are also tragic at every level above zero, but do not seem to have come up with the rate of permits issued. Perhaps these are 2 subsets of those at least a little (often far more) more careful than the “buy it and forget it in the nightstand” types.

Accidents at the ranges? That would be a popularity/participation of the sport kinda measure. There are fewer ranges in many areas, but those remaining get and stay busy as heck. And It’s a challenge to oversee the public as they shoot. An overlooked point sometimes is those that teach and enforce safety. Those folks deserve some credit.

Setting aside the discussion of what guns are designed for a moment, I’m more fearful of a cell phone in a car drivers hands than a ccw gun in a holster. Especially at 65 mph on the way to the range on a sunny Saturday.

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Lupin  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:01:53am

Trump about to fire Mueller?

rawstory

What do you think?

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:03:06am

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

One factor is likely that the percentage of households with a firearm has been trending downward
Trends in Gun Ownership in the United States, 1972-2014

Lots of factors: 1. Fewer gun owners per capita like you said. Also related, far fewer people go hunting combined with the increased popularity of bow hunting. 2. Guns have gotten a lot safer with magazine disconnects and loaded chamber indicators becoming more common. Safe storage laws in many States further reduce the number of kids handling guns unsupervised. 3. Freakonomics: Average intelligence has gone up. No more leaded gas emissions poisoning people’s brains. Legal abortion leads to fewer unwanted kids getting into shit. 4. Law enforcement investigative tools and forensic science has gotten a better leading to fewer murders are being misclassified as accidental. Also the stigma against suicide has diminished and some life insurance policies even pay out on suicide after a certain number of years, so there’s less motive for the “while cleaning his gun” whitewashing narrative.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:03:22am

re: #233 Dr Lizardo

Why are they doing that? So what if it upsets him. He’s the goddamn President of the United States of America.

Does no one in the White House have the strength of character to tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up and listen? Is there no one to simply say, “Quit acting like a little bitch” when he throws a temper tantrum?

WTF?

anyone who has ever worked with trump knows that their job is to feed his ego when it is hungry and soothe it when it feels offended

anyone who tries anything else is shown the door

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:03:53am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:04:25am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:04:33am

re: #235 Lupin

Trump about to fire Mueller?

rawstory

What do you think?

I assume they have a counter-strategy and this is a sound one.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:06:26am

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

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Your daughter doesn’t get a pass from feminists for being a woman, Mike, and if you actually knew anything about feminism, you’d know that feminists don’t believe women are beyond criticism. It’s understandable that he feels the need to defend his daughter but he should STFU anyhow since she’s the one who chose to enter public life.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:07:14am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:07:17am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

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Only in this administration sigh.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:08:59am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:11:04am

re: #235 Lupin

Trump about to fire Mueller?

rawstory

What do you think?

Had Roy Moore won I think it’d be a lot easier for Trump to find traction among elected Republicans for such a move. Now it’s harder, all many of them really want now is to ram through the tax bill to reward their rich donors and then get as far from Trump politically as they can.

Rosenstein also made it clear yesterday that he’s not down with any plan to fire Mueller, so any firing would involve a Saturday Night Massacre scenario followed by massive protests, even possibly a general strike.

The real danger here is that Trump probably accurately feels like he’s cornered and ultimately fucked no matter what he does and he’s the kind of guy who tends to lash out.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:14:13am

re: #235 Lupin

Trump about to fire Mueller?

rawstory

What do you think?

The writer assumes that 1) they’ll pass the tax bill, and 2) that it will be good for Trump (read step 5). It’s the most unpopular piece of legislation in decades and it’s going to hurt a whole lot of Republicans. He will gain no leverage from this bill, and will most likely lose some.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:17:55am

“Let there be no mistake, NPCA strongly opposes this bill. It would set a dangerous precedent by making grazing among the primary purposes of the national park instead of protecting this remarkable landscape for all who visit it. The bill calls for a management council that consists of Utah county officials, without appropriate oversight or input from the National Park Service, the federal agency charged with managing and protecting America’s more than 400 national park sites.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:18:45am

re: #244 FormerDirtDart

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Won’t happen. That freak has been drooling over this moment for years. It would be like trying to get Ryan to cancel a single vote to destroy medicare, social security and food stamps when he has a sure majority to kill hundreds of thousands.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:21:12am
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garzooma  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:21:46am

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Had Roy Moore won I think it’d be a lot easier for Trump to find traction among elected Republicans for such a move.

This. Not only did Black Women Save America from Roy Moore. They may have saved America period.

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goddamnedfrank  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:22:07am
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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:22:10am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

I find Portugal and Spain quite troubling. And Turkey, you folks just keep that stuff inside your own homes. OK?
And Ireland, just try to keep the world ending paradoxes to a minimum.

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I like England…

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:22:13am

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Rosenstein also made it clear yesterday that he’s not down with any plan to fire Mueller, so any firing would involve a Saturday Night Massacre scenario followed by massive protests, even possibly a general strike.

That will never happen successfully. We’re too divided politically - even the GOP that hates and fears the damage of Pumpkin Pinochet would oppose it and without widespread support? That’s when your likely to get the first shots of the 2nd ACW - when the fascists open fire on the “traitorous” strikers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:23:15am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:32:43am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

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Somehow I doubt this person gave a shit when Trump was literally pushing the death penalty for the Central Park Five. I haven’t read the specifics of the Johnson case but attacking the accusers is so pathetic and typical of wingnuttia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:34:58am

THIS THREAD

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:35:12am

re: #250 garzooma

This. Not only did Black Women Save America from Roy Moore. They may have saved America period.

They recognized and voted in their best interests. Something that a lot of voters are no longer able to do for some reason.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:35:36am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Somehow I doubt this person gave a shit when Trump was literally pushing the death penalty for the Central Park Five. I haven’t read the specifics of the Johnson case but attacking the accusers is so pathetic and typical of wingnuttia.

Deplorables only care about one thing: Is there a “R” or a “D” after their name?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:37:06am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Somehow I doubt this person gave a shit when Trump was literally pushing the death penalty for the Central Park Five. I haven’t read the specifics of the Johnson case but attacking the accusers is so pathetic and typical of wingnuttia.

The details are irrelevant, he is being made into a martyr to left-wing hateful smear tactics.

And a victim, obviously too weak and desperate to stand up to the “baseless” accusations

these people do not retreat, they reload. with rock salt and nails

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:39:27am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

Here’s my being cruel:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:40:34am

re: #261 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The details are irrelevant, he is being made into a martyr to left-wing hateful smear tactics.

And a victim, obviously too weak and desperate to stand up to the “baseless” accusations

these people do not retreat, they reload. with rock salt and nails

You already said that :).

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I cannot.  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:41:35am

re: #262 Belafon

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:41:44am

O_o

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:42:02am

re: #258 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD

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Accusing black voters of fraud is how Republicans and conservatives console themselves in elections they feel they should have won. It’s racist bullshit done by people who still aren’t over the fact that legally blacks have the same rights as they do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:42:51am

re: #264 I cannot.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:43:17am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

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“Coward knew he was going to die in a prison cell for rape and took the easy way out back to his master in hell” is a far more accurate narrative than that tripe.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:43:28am

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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It just astounds me how not only unpresidential he is but unprofessional.

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The Major  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:45:02am

Dow Jones hits record high after News Corporation agrees to sell some 21st Century Fox assets to Disney

U.S. stocks traded higher on Thursday after Disney agreed to buy some of 21st Century Fox’s assets.

The Dow Jones industrial average gained 52 points and reached an all-time high. The S&P 500 rose 0.1 percent, with financials and industrials leading advancers. The Nasdaq composite advanced 0.2 percent.

Disney said Thursday it will pay $52.4 billion in stock to buy Fox’s movie studios, network Nat Geo, and Asian pay-TV operator Star TV, among other assets.

The acquisition bolsters Disney’s plans to become a dominant streaming service platform, making it a bigger threat to Netflix.

“While this deal has been rumored for the past few weeks, Iger & Co. making the deal official this morning is a transformational event for the future of the content and streaming landscape in our opinion,” said Dan Ives, head of technology research at GBH Insights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:45:30am

The deputy leader of far-right group Britain First has been re-arrested after appearing in a Belfast court over a speech she gave in the city.

Jayda Fransen, 31, of Beeches Close, Anerley, London, was in court over two charges relating to behaviour intended to or likely to stir up hatred.

Her lawyer told the court that she intended to plead not guilty.

Britain First leader Paul Golding, 35, was also arrested outside the courtroom before the hearing.

Mr Golding was accompanying Ms Fransen to the hearing.

The police confirmed they have arrested a 35-year-old man as part of their investigation into the “Northern Ireland Against Terrorism” rally in August.

It is believed Ms Fransen has been re-arrested over social media posts she made from a peace wall in Belfast on Wednesday.

Peace walls are used to separate Catholic and Protestant residents in areas where tension between the two communities can run high.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:47:13am

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

Moore is pissed that the voter suppression tactics failed.

Or they worked because even the GOP didn’t want him. 🤔😄

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:47:22am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Is Jayda trying to stir up shit in Ulster too? Man she’s not really much older than I am. HOw the hell did so many my age become so hateful?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:48:44am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:49:12am

re: #274 FormerDirtDart

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:49:43am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They recognized and voted in their best interests. Something that a lot of voters are no longer able to do for some reason.

because it has nothing to do with reason

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:50:15am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:51:19am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Accusing black voters of fraud is how Republicans and conservatives console themselves in elections they feel they should have won. It’s racist bullshit done by people who still aren’t over the fact that legally blacks have the same rights as they do.

reality’s a bitch

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:53:02am

re: #262 Belafon

Here’s my being cruel:

Not cruel at all. I have no sympathy for the man. I say good riddance to white trash scum. If I, like most sane people, was falsely accused of something, I would fight to prove my innocence. It’s no coincidence that most Nazi GOP scum are denying the claims while the Democrats are resigning over such claims.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:53:31am

re: #160 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:53:53am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:55:26am

re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:55:33am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bye Flounder.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:56:52am

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

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The sad epilogue to that story is not only did many of those parents lose their kids, they dealt with harassment from Alex Jones inspired people. I don’t despise Alex Jones for his politics, I despise him for creating ignorant monsters who go after families of people who have suffered great sorrow and hardship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:57:06am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 7:59:04am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:01:05am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What was that about how the GOP was going to have such a huge advantage because it would stand by its sex predators?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:01:29am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Surprised I am not.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:02:27am

re: #288 Big Beautiful Door

Rage Furby better lawyer up.

He’s been awfully quiet on FB over the last 24 hours. Not a single post since his “the dog ate my homework” excuse.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:03:40am

re: #289 Big Beautiful Door

What was that about how the GOP was going to have such a huge advantage because it would stand by its sex predators?

Come back and ask that if it costs them the house. It won’t matter otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:04:52am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

He’s been awfully quiet on FB over the last 24 hours. Not a single post since his “the dog ate my homework” excuse.

He might actually be in deep shit for once.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:05:00am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Democrats get forced to resign, Republicans just “promise/pledge” not to run for reelection while serving out the remainder of their terms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:06:37am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

It just astounds me how not only unpresidential he is but unprofessional.

I refuse to be drawn into any extended discussion of Trump, either with supporters or opponents. I simply comment that I find him unqualified in terms of education, background or character, and leave it at that.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:07:16am

re: #289 Big Beautiful Door

What was that about how the GOP was going to have such a huge advantage because it would stand by its sex predators?

Talk to me when Smith and Jones are seated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:08:02am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:08:10am

re: #295 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I refuse to be drawn into any extended discussion of Trump, either with supporters or opponents. I simply comment that I find him unqualified in terms of education, background or character, and leave it at that.

You’re on a political blog and he’s POTUS. Extended discussion of Trump is to be expected.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:08:50am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:09:48am

re: #206 Shropshire Slasher

Doug Jones will have to run again in 2020, I wonder if Trump will have coattails?

Just grab the tie and hang on …

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:09:59am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

You’re on a political blog and he’s POTUS. Extended discussion of Trump is to be expected.

Sorry, I should have been more specific; I refuse to be drawn into a discussion of him on social media or in social settings. I come here to rag on him and explain why I find him unqualified.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:10:05am

Damn they’re getting rid of NN. And of course all the Capitalism Uber Alles types I know are thrilled.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:10:07am

re: #292 William Lewis

Come back and ask that if it costs them the house. It won’t matter otherwise.

Its already cost them half their margin of error in the US Senate, and created a realistic possibility of the Democrats winning control of the Senate in the mid-terms.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:10:35am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry, I should have been more specific; I refuse to be drawn into a discussion of him on social media or in social settings. I come here to rag on him and explain why I find him unqualified.

Oh no doubt. I rant on social media politically but it’s but a fraction of my SM.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:11:33am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Democrats get forced to resign, Republicans just “promise/pledge” not to run for reelection while serving out the remainder of their terms.

And Republican sex predators lose US Senate seats no normal Republican could possibly lose.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:11:58am

An interesting stat I saw from Tuesday is Jones actually slightly edged Moore with voters who thought he shared their values. That’s incredibly for a socially liberal Democrat in Alabama running against a Christian theocrat like Moore.

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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:12:05am

re: #291 Dr. Matt

He’s been awfully quiet on FB over the last 24 hours. Not a single post since his “the dog ate my homework” excuse.

Probably waiting to see if the fecal tornado is actually going to descend in his vicinity: and then, most likely, he’ll be spending his time composing bleating screeds about how the poor crusading truthseekers at GotNews are being cruelly persecuted by the Evil Deep State Establishment - so send money for his defense fund…….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:13:20am

re: #307 Jay C

Probably waiting to see if the fecal tornado is actually going to descend in his vicinity: and then, most likely, he’ll be spending hi time composing bleating screeds about how the poor crusading truthseekers at GotNews are being cruelly persecuted by the Evil Deep State Establishment - so send money for his defense fund…….

He’s probably fuming at Roger Stone and thinking he’s behidn this and honestly it wouldn’t shock me if Stone wouldn’t try to screw over CCJ. Stone hates the Furby as much as we do.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:13:22am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

LOL

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:13:35am

re: #305 Big Beautiful Door

And Republican sex predators lose US Senate seats no normal Republican could possibly lose.

Right, because Al Franken resigning is what put it over the top, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:13:45am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:14:04am

re: #214 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he “cultivates” them by planting them in the ground…

But with his black thumb they never seem to grow

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:14:44am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seriously, @CNN. Apologize and retract. This is absolute bullshit. The ACA passed the Senate on December 24, 2009 with *60* votes. Brown was sworn in Feb 4. The companion reconciliation bill passed the Senate on March 25. You’re repeating a lie.

there’s another point:

there is no procedural or other reason why jones cannot be immediately seated

the ramifications of him being seated (or anyone for that matter) should not enter into it

this is merrick garland all over again

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:14:53am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

He’s probably fuming at Roger Stone and thinking he’s behidn this and honestly it wouldn’t shock me if Stone wouldn’t try to screw over CCJ. Stone hates the Furby as much as we do.

No honor among fuckheads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:15:20am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Oh no doubt. I rant on social media politically but it’s but a fraction of my SM.

I delete political posts on FB and block rampant political posters. All I want from my FB feed is news of where my peeps are hanging, interesting social/musical events coming up, cute kid or pet pics, or stupid jokes/videos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:15:33am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:15:35am

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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CNN, repeating a lie told to them by the White House without examination or fact-checking? Surely you jest!

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:15:43am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry, I should have been more specific; I refuse to be drawn into a discussion of him on social media or in social settings. I come here to rag on him and explain why I find him unqualified.

come for the music, stay to rag on the unqualified guy

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:16:47am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know, Mick, there are millions of us old enough to remember when those same networks were freaking out over the ACA and you lot were there to cheer them on.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:16:50am

“Why is Breitbart so slow?” will be such a hoot to hear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:18:15am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:18:26am

re: #309 MsJ

Roy seems to not understand that God is not on his side. God spoke. Roy just isn’t listening.

god’s plan was to humiliate you, roy.
he’s finished with you and is working on that next earthquake

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:19:15am

re: #310 Targetpractice

Right, because Al Franken resigning is what put it over the top, right?

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We don’t know, but it couldn’t have hurt. Would you concede that the fact that Democratic Senators came out so forcefully for Franken’s resignation might have had an effect on some Alabama voters?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:19:30am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:20:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:20:09am

re: #318 dangerman

come for the music, stay to rag on the unqualified guy

I came here for a good argument. Back in 2007 when the site was still a lot more conservative, but at least most of the arguments were reasonable and not immediately ad hominem when people’s views were challenged.

I must say that i was generally pleased at the change of sentiments and viewpoints that has come about since…

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:20:26am

re: #303 Big Beautiful Door

Its already cost them half their margin of error in the US Senate, and created a realistic possibility of the Democrats winning control of the Senate in the mid-terms.

We were in a better place to take over the senate before pissing away a sure seat in the senate for a toss up in a deeply divided state. But, hey, we’re PURE! < spit >

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:20:41am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

He might actually be in deep shit for once.

I hope so. But, we’ve been saying that for years about Rage Furby. Somehow he always comes out clean.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:21:47am

re: #323 Big Beautiful Door

We don’t know, but it couldn’t have hurt. Would you concede that the fact that Democratic Senators came out so forcefully for Franken’s resignation might have had an effect on some Alabama voters?

No, I will not, because I have seen no indication of such. I will not engage in this fantasy that the DNC needs to convene a lynch mob every time one of their own is accused simply to remain politically viable.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:21:48am

in case anyone is wondering “where in the world is lawhawk?”
keep an eye on his twitter account.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:22:57am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

in case anyone is wondering “where in the world is lawhawk?”
keep an eye on his twitter account.

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Lucky bastard.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:23:52am
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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:24:20am

re: #330 Backwoods_Sleuth

in case anyone is wondering “where in the world is lawhawk?”
keep an eye on his twitter account.

Hopefully he showers and disinfects after he leaves.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:24:22am

re: #327 William Lewis

We were in a better place to take over the senate before pissing away a sure seat in the senate for a toss up in a deeply divided state. But, hey, we’re PURE! < spit >

Much better to stand by sexual harassers. Just ask the GOP how glad it is that Trump endorsed Roy Moore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:24:59am

welp…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:25:09am

Just saw this on Reddit, and it made me chuckle:

If Xenomorphs are born from an Alien Queen, and Alien was produced by 20th Century Fox, and now Fox is owned by Disney, does that make Xenomorphs Disney Princesses?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:25:41am

re: #329 Targetpractice

No, I will not, because I have seen no indication of such. I will not engage in this fantasy that the DNC needs to convene a lynch mob every time one of their own is accused simply to remain politically viable.

Which isn’t what happened with Franken, or what anyone is suggesting.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:26:00am

re: #325 FormerDirtDart

For you Bob’s Burgers watchers, Adam Driver was Art the Artist in the Christmas episode.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:26:00am

re: #281 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rubber Ducky needs to resign right now!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:26:40am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:29:16am

re: #337 Big Beautiful Door

Which isn’t what happened with Franken, or what anyone is suggesting.

It is exactly what happened with Franken. Gillibrand stirred up a mob to force his resignation based upon nothing more than accusations. You can sit here and argue the “credibility” of those accusations all you like, but the fact remains that the man never had an opportunity to defend himself because doing so would be construed as an act of guilt.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:33:44am

re: #334 Big Beautiful Door

Much better to stand by sexual harassers. Just ask the GOP how glad it is that Trump endorsed Roy Moore.

Becaue Franken was somehow just as evil? SMH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:35:52am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:37:14am

re: #292 William Lewis

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:37:53am

re: #234 Unshaken Defiance

In general I suppose so, but many factors involved. It’s a little surprising given all the CCW permits issued.Those accident numbers are also tragic at every level above zero, but do not seem to have come up with the rate of permits issued. Perhaps these are 2 subsets of those at least a little (often far more) more careful than the “buy it and forget it in the nightstand” types.

Accidents at the ranges? That would be a popularity/participation of the sport kinda measure. There are fewer ranges in many areas, but those remaining get and stay busy as heck. And It’s a challenge to oversee the public as they shoot. An overlooked point sometimes is those that teach and enforce safety. Those folks deserve some credit.

Setting aside the discussion of what guns are designed for a moment, I’m more fearful of a cell phone in a car drivers hands than a ccw gun in a holster. Especially at 65 mph on the way to the range on a sunny Saturday.

Unless the guy in the car with cell phone gets pissed off because he thinks you cut him off because he wasn’t paying attention. Then at the next traffic light he pulls out his gun and comes to your side window and starts blasting away.

Yeah, that is what I am afraid of because since there are more guns were are seeing more people getting shot in road rage accidents.

Earlier this year a friend of mine had a woman, yes a woman, get pissed off at him thinking he cut her off and at a light in his own neighborhood (1/4 mile away from his home) she jumped out and flashed a pistol at him cursing him out. While she was still out of her car, he just gunned it, drove around her through a red light and got the hell out of there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:38:33am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:39:11am

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve Doocy: “Can you explain to me the idea why people don’t like the idea of a tax cut?”
Mick Mulvaney: “Because if you turn to any channel besides this one, all you’re going to hear is bad news about this particular bill.” (Fox)

they do

this bill isnt one

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:39:20am

re: #341 Targetpractice

It is exactly what happened with Franken. Gillibrand stirred up a mob to force his resignation based upon nothing more than accusations. You can sit here and argue the “credibility” of those accusations all you like, but the fact remains that the man never had an opportunity to defend himself because doing so would be construed as an act of guilt.

You have forgotten the photograph. Even if, like a Republican, you accuse all eight of the women of lying, that photograph shows Franken really did engage in actions degrading to women.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:39:46am

re: #346 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That in a nutshell is the difference between the two parties. You can disagree with the Democrats solutions but I don’t think you can really deny that they want to help out constiuents. I can’t extend the same belief to Republicans unless we’re talking about big corporations and the religious right.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:40:54am

re: #342 William Lewis

Becaue Franken was somehow just as evil? SMH.

So Democrats should stand by all sexual harassers who at least aren’t child molesters?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:41:45am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:42:57am

re: #349 Big Beautiful Door

You have forgotten the photograph. Even if, like a Republican, you accuse all eight of the women of lying, that photograph shows Franken really did engage in actions degrading to women.

And he apologized and the “victim” accepted his apology. She’s since said she didn’t feel what was done to him was right. You obsess about that single photo for one reason alone: It’s your only real piece of evidence against him. Everything else was “he said, she said.” The other photos don’t show inappropriate behavior, and several of the accusations were made “anonymously.” As a lawyer, would you seriously enter that photo into evidence that Franken is a “sexual predator” and expect it to hold up to scrutiny?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:43:01am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:43:26am

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pandering scmucks.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:43:47am

re: #351 Big Beautiful Door

So Democrats should stand by all sexual harassers who at least aren’t child molesters?

You’re right, Chuck Schumer should resign immediately. I mean there was an allegation made against him and it would be wrong to investigate it, right?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:44:05am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Clown show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:44:19am

heh…

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:45:48am

re: #353 Targetpractice

And he apologized and the “victim” accepted his apology. She’s since said she didn’t feel what was done to him was right. You obsess about that single photo for one reason alone: It’s your only real piece of evidence against him. Everything else was “he said, she said.” The other photos don’t show inappropriate behavior, and several of the accusations were made “anonymously.” As a lawyer, would you seriously enter that photo into evidence that Franken is a “sexual predator” and expect it to hold up to scrutiny?

This is politics, not a trial. Franken admitted that the photo showed him degrading and humiliating a woman, and he decided not to wait out an Ethics investigation after seven more women accused him.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:46:21am

re: #334 Big Beautiful Door

Much better to stand by sexual harassers. Just ask the GOP how glad it is that Trump endorsed Roy Moore.

be careful here

waiting for an investigation to start, let alone complete, is a far cry from “standing by harassers”

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:47:03am

re: #220 Dr. Matt

And the buses were paid for by Soros and then everyone got a Tesla.

Why do I never get these sweet deals?

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:47:39am

re: #356 Targetpractice

You’re right, Chuck Schumer should resign immediately. I mean there was an allegation made against him and it would be wrong to investigate it, right?

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And the strawmanning again. The fact that absolutely no-one is calling for Schumer’s resignation after that clumsy forgery fell apart shows that your hysterical complaints are false.

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CongoJack  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:49:25am

re: #351 Big Beautiful Door

BBD,
Your posts here are becoming tedious and a single note.

Was it a bad picture…yes… it was a comedian doing a juvenile thing. Should he have been run out of town a rail? No. The woman in the picture said he should have stayed in the Senate.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:50:50am

re: #359 Big Beautiful Door

This is politics, not a trial. Franken admitted that the photo showed him degrading and humiliating a woman, and he decided not to wait out an Ethics investigation after seven more women accused him.

He made that decision after a mob descended upon him and demanded his resignation. You keep leaving out bits of this story that are inconvenient to the narrative you wish to tell. Perhaps it’s because if you tell people he jumped rather than he was pushed, it helps the party avoid any responsibility for their actions.

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:51:44am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

My son and I enjoyed every moment of this. This was as good as Meyers’ own statement.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:52:03am
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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:52:29am

re: #363 CongoJack

BBD,
Your posts here are becoming tedious and a single note.

Was it a bad picture…yes… it was a comedian doing a juvenile thing. Should he have been run out of town a rail? No. The woman in the picture said he should have stayed in the Senate.

And then there were seven more women. Franken could have stood his ground and refused to resign until the investigation was complete. He chose not to, so its over now.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:52:44am
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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:52:54am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:52:55am

re: #362 Big Beautiful Door

And the strawmanning again. The fact that absolutely no-one is calling for Schumer’s resignation after that clumsy forgery fell apart shows that your hysterical complaints are false.

Right, because this was a one-time event and there will be no further attempts at rodent copulation.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:53:21am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want heeem! Squeeee!

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:54:38am

re: #367 Big Beautiful Door

And then there were seven more women. Franken could have stood his ground and refused to resign until the investigation was complete. He chose not to, so its over now.

Anonymous women, one whose waist he touched.

Give it a rest already. You won. Awesome! Congratulations. Here’s a fucking cookie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:55:30am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:56:17am

re: #368 MsJ

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Way to be fucking objective Doocy.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:56:22am

re: #364 Targetpractice

He made that decision after a mob descended upon him and demanded his resignation. You keep leaving out bits of this story that are inconvenient to the narrative you wish to tell. Perhaps it’s because if you tell people he jumped rather than he was pushed, it helps the party avoid any responsibility for their actions.

Pushing implies Franken was left without any choice. He had a choice; they weren’t going to expel him if he refused to resign before the investigation was complete. If I was innocent I wouldn’t have resigned; whether you like it or not, Franken wasn’t innocent, and US Senators expressing their belief he should resign are not a “mob.”

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:56:34am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:56:56am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hope he runs in 2020 and sabotages the GOP.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:57:09am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:57:58am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:58:35am

re: #378 Backwoods_Sleuth

On Conyers @SpeakerRyan urges him to “resign immediately”
On Farenthold - said agreed w/decision to not run for reelection

in a nutshell

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:58:55am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As always, Moore is delusional. Here’s hoping that he wins the GOP nomination for Senate in 2020!

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CongoJack  Dec 14, 2017 • 8:59:48am

re: #367 Big Beautiful Door

And then there were seven more women. Franken could have stood his ground and refused to resign until the investigation was complete. He chose not to, so its over now.

Other anonymous accusers. No investigation. No due process. Again tho - you are very tedious. Is there a way to mute you so I don’t have to see this discussed in circles again and again and again. Feels like “strawmanning” is the new “slippery slope.”

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:00:13am

re: #375 Big Beautiful Door

Pushing implies Franken was left without any choice. He had a choice; they weren’t going to expel him if he refused to resign before the investigation was complete. If I was innocent I wouldn’t have resigned; whether you like it or not, Franken wasn’t innocent, and US Senators expressing their belief he should resign are not a “mob.”

So then Moore must be innocent, because he continues to fight the charges and refuses to back down, right? If resignation implies guilt, then refusal to resign must indicate innocence, correct?

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danarchy  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:00:17am

re: #367 Big Beautiful Door

And then there were seven more women. Franken could have stood his ground and refused to resign until the investigation was complete. He chose not to, so its over now.

THIS right here. I don’t think he should have resigned, he should have apologized and taken a censure or whatever weak ass slap on the wrist he would have gotten. His colleagues had exactly zero power to push him out. He could have told them all to fuck off he wants an investigation. He could have done what Farenthold did and said he wouldn’t run for reelection and I bet his senate colleagues would have backed off. If he didn’t have the will or fortitude to stand up for himself then I sure as hell am not going to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:00:18am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:01:07am

re: #381 Big Beautiful Door

As always, Moore is delusional. Here’s hoping that he wins the GOP nomination for Senate in 2020!

Yeah, he is delusional. I said yesterday that it’s entirely possible that Moore is literally waiting for a sign from God - he simply cannot believe that God would let him down. Moore really believes he’s God’s righteous man.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:01:25am

re: #383 Targetpractice

So then Moore must be innocent, because he continues to fight the charges and refuses to back down, right? If resignation implies guilt, then refusal to resign must indicate innocence, correct?

The Alabama voters sure didn’t think so!

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:03:14am

re: #382 CongoJack

Other anonymous accusers. No investigation. No due process. Again tho - you are very tedious. Is there a way to mute you so I don’t have to see this discussed in circles again and again and again. Feels like “strawmanning” is the new “slippery slope.”

I hereby pledge I will not mention the name of the former Senator from Minnesota again. Beat me with a wet noodle if I ever post it again!

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:04:23am
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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:04:49am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:05:13am

re: #387 Big Beautiful Door

The Alabama voters sure didn’t think so!

The man was odious before the allegations came out against him. Jones was already trending higher against him than was expected for a Democrat in Alabama prior to the first accuser coming forward. And he made several controversial utterances days prior to the election, any of which could have tipped the balance against him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:05:38am

re: #368 MsJ

Everyone else: STOP FUCKING WITH MY INCOME TO GIVE IT TO THE ALREADY WEALTHY!!

The evil genius part of it is that enough middle-income people will receive enough short-term tax relief that they will continue to vote GOP. The true damages, and the budget shortfalls, will not set in until later.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:06:58am

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The evil genius part of it is that enough middle-income people will receive enough short-term tax relief that they will continue to vote GOP. The true damages, and the budget shortfalls, will not set in until later.

Ayep, bill’s constructed in such a way that the GOP can run in 2020 on promises to give more “relief” to taxpayers.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:07:33am

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The evil genius part of it is that enough middle-income people will receive enough short-term tax relief that they will continue to vote GOP. The true damages, and the budget shortfalls, will not set in until later.

teaser rate
rubes

and you are right. later = likely dem’s in charge

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:08:03am

re: #390 FormerDirtDart

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:08:32am

re: #394 dangerman

teaser rate
rubes

and you are right. later = likely dem’s in charge

the tax equivalent of a variable-rate mortgage. prepared by the same folks who brought you the latter

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:10:09am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:10:16am

I wish I could mute this conversation too! But I want to post one thing so those who continue to go round and round at least have a handy resource.

I’ve seen the damn facts misstated so much or just conveniently ignored. Not all accusations were anonymous and between Tweeden and the waist squeeze there are other allegations from different media outlets.

You all can still hold on to your current positions, but let’s keep the facts at the table.

cnbc.com

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:11:17am

Hopefully Moore’s loss will resonate with a few more Republicans and they’ll make Pence’s staying home from Israel unnecessary as there won’t be 50 votes.

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:12:28am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:13:44am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:16:25am

re: #401 MsJ

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Well said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:18:09am

good freaking grief

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:18:44am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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We don’t want your stupid tax cut.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:19:20am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

good freaking grief

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CongoJack  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:19:50am

re: #401 MsJ

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Seriously Sen. Murkowski,
You have so much leverage and you refuse to use it for the betterment of the USA and Alaska. If you and Sen. Collins also want to keep net neutrality this tax bill again can be used for leverage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:20:00am

re: #404 HappyWarrior

We don’t want your stupid tax cut.

“make your voices heard…”
He’s not listening to any voices other than the ones in his head, and the ones whispering in his ears.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:20:01am

Thread.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:20:16am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

It just astounds me how not only unpresidential he is but unprofessional.

Lyndon Johnson did it, too.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:21:25am

re: #370 Targetpractice

Right, because this was a one-time event and there will be no further attempts at rodent copulation.

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I am frankly more concerned that women who have been victimized decide to remain silent rather than accuse the “wrong” person.

slate.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:21:25am

re: #409 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Lyndon Johnson did it, too.

Doesn’t surprise me unfortunately but LBJ had a lot of other brilliance that Trump couldn’t even attempt to have.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:21:43am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s so full of shit that if he walked up to me and introduced himself to me, I’d ask to see some kind of I.D.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:21:43am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:23:28am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s so full of shit that if he walked up to me and introduced himself to me, I’d ask to see some kind of I.D.

“Nah, you’re Boris Johnson.”

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:24:32am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

“Nah, you’re Boris Johnson.”

LOL hard to say which of them has the zanier hairstyle.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:25:14am

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

LOL hard to say which of them has the zanier hairstyle.

Funny thing is even though Boris has a lot in common with Trumpy, he apparently dislikes him too.

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:25:25am

re: #408 MsJ

Thread.

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Teukka  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:25:48am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

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Good grief. *headdesks*

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:26:35am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

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Favorite comment: Trigging the libs by not knowing basic English lit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:26:50am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:27:24am

re: #417 darthstar

McCain is coming back to vote. So he’s a yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:30:06am

thread:

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:30:16am

re: #409 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Lyndon Johnson did it, too.

true but we didnt find out about it the next day

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:31:06am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:31:24am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread:

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I always thought the “We should have le them secede” are stupid. Goes against what Lincoln wanted and would have screwed black people.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:32:27am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Birthrates are lower in post-industralized countries, Paul. Maybe if you got your nose out of screwing poor people, you’d know that.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:33:50am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

That aligns nicely with the extremist aims of his party. Music to evangelicals ears.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:34:22am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Or we could…you know…grant citizenship to the millions of people already working in our economy, thus allowing us to tax them fully as we do those born in this country. Instead of continuing this fantasy that we’re going to deport all of them and somehow make up the difference 18+ years from now.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:35:33am
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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:35:48am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Birthrates are lower in post-industralized countries, Paul. Maybe if you got your nose out of screwing poor people, you’d know that.

Ryan’s hoping to force the poor to have more babies. Have five to ensure three survive is his motto for everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:36:15am

re: #428 Targetpractice

Or we could…you know…grant citizenship to the millions of people already working in our economy, thus allowing us to tax them fully as we do those born in this country. Instead of continuing this fantasy that we’re going to deport all of them and somehow make up the difference 18+ years from now.

Yeah but if we did that, he’d screw his own party and we can’t have that. // That’s the only reason why many in the GOP oppose immigration reform. It’s disgraceful.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:36:45am

re: #429 JordanRules

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As usual, it’s women making sense.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:37:10am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:39:21am
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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:40:58am

How to file an FCC complaint:
Net neutrality is about to disappear… unless there’s a national outcry. Please contact the FCC today!
There’s an easy way to do this & it will take a minute or so:
1. Go to gofccyourself.com (the shortcut John Oliver made to the hard-to-find official FCC comment page)
2. To the right of the 17-108 link (Restoring Internet Freedom), click on “+Express”
3. Be sure to hit “ENTER” after you type in your name — otherwise it won’t register! Then continue with the other info.
4. In the comment section write, “I strongly support net neutrality backed by Title 2 oversight of ISPs.”
4(a) click on email confirmation and “go to review screen”
5.Make sure you hit SUBMIT at the end.
THIS. IS. REAL.

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:41:07am

re: #434 FormerDirtDart

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No doubt to a very lucrative job as a lobbyist for one of the firms he’s about to sell the country to.

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:41:09am

re: #421 MsJ

McCain is coming back to vote. So he’s a yes.

Fuck

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:41:41am

re: #434 FormerDirtDart

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I think someone knows he won’t be Speaker after 2018 whether because it will be Speaker Pelosi or because he’ll be ousted.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:41:49am

re: #434 FormerDirtDart

The only question is which think tank or lobby shop makes him the best offer. Evil little pustule.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:42:08am

re: #436 Targetpractice

No doubt to a very lucrative job as a lobbyist for one of the firms he’s about to sell the country to.

That too. Or some nice offer.

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:42:17am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:42:46am

re: #439 A Mom Anon

The only question is which think tank or lobby shop makes him the best offer. Evil little pustule.

Isn’t DeMinted on the way out with Heritage?

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:45:08am

re: #435 darthstar

How to file an FCC complaint:
Net neutrality is about to disappear… unless there’s a national outcry. Please contact the FCC today!
There’s an easy way to do this & it will take a minute or so:
1. Go to gofccyourself.com (the shortcut John Oliver made to the hard-to-find official FCC comment page)
2. To the right of the 17-108 link (Restoring Internet Freedom), click on “+Express”
3. Be sure to hit “ENTER” after you type in your name — otherwise it won’t register! Then continue with the other info.
4. In the comment section write, “I strongly support net neutrality backed by Title 2 oversight of ISPs.”
4(a) click on email confirmation and “go to review screen”
5.Make sure you hit SUBMIT at the end.
THIS. IS. REAL.

done

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:45:33am
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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:47:07am
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Kilroy was here  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:48:46am

re: #435 darthstar

Done..

Thanks for reminder.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:50:12am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

WTF is he babbling about? Listen Tucker, most women are probably fine with you saying they’re attractive but it crosses into harassment when you’re telling your female coworkers how hot they are constantly and giving them sex toys. Stop whining about being told you should have class, asshole.

For me, anyway, I’m not comfortable with telling a woman she is attractive unless I am dating her 9or trying to)… in most situations, workplace especially, it’s irrelevant and, although I obviously can’t speak for women, I would think the unspoken reaction would be either “Oh shit, is he hitting on me?” or “Do you think my looks are the sum total of me?”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:50:37am

re: #413 The Vicious Babushka

I think that’s FDR’s copy of Dickens’s A Christmas Carol. It’s entirely possible that Sean is that dumb and has never heard of the novel, not by its correct title anyway. In my experience, many nominally educated conservatives display huge, all but incredible gaps in their general knowledge. I’ve mentioned the medical student who did not know that other countries have their own military forces, separate and distinct from those of the US . This came up during a discussion of her belief that the Moon landings were faked. She thought all “military” everywhere was part of the same organization and took orders from the same source, like a global corporation. Another example: A Lubbock school principal heard me mention that my daughter had gone to MIT and asked what that stood for. He then asked me in all seriousness if that was some kind of 2 year vo-tech school. I got pissed at him for disparaging my daughter’s school, but he managed to convince me that he was entirely serious. “This is Texas, why would we know about some little college in Massachusetts?” he asked.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:52:43am

re: #423 dangerman

true but we didnt find out about it the next day

And, Johnson was an asshole, too. My comment was not meant to excuse the orange shit-goblin of any malfeasance. But, to note that even is extreme inappropriateness is also not even an original thought.

The next day part is just another example of how pathetic this white house is.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:52:53am

re: #386 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, he is delusional. I said yesterday that it’s entirely possible that Moore is literally waiting for a sign from God - he simply cannot believe that God would let him down. Moore really believes he’s God’s righteous man.

The Lord uses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:53:01am

re: #448 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I think that’s FDR’s copy of Dickens’s A Christmas Carol. It’s entirely possible that Sean is that dumb and has never heard of the novel, not by its correct title anyway. In my experience, many nominally educated conservatives display huge, all but incredible gaps in their general knowledge. I’ve mentioned the medical student who did not know that other countries have their own military forces, separate and distinct from those of the US . This came up during a discussion of her belief that the Moon landings were faked. She thought all “military” everywhere was part of the same organization and took orders from the same source, like a global corporation. Another example: A Lubbock school principal heard me mention that my daughter had gone to MIT and asked what that stood for. He then asked me in all seriousness if that was some kind of 2 year vo-tech school. I got pissed at him for disparaging my daughter’s school, but he managed to convince me that he was entirely serious. “This is Texas, why would we know about some little college in Massachusetts?” he asked.

OFFS, MIT is internationally renowned! It’s reputation is truly global.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:54:40am

Are they really going kill Net Neutrality and pass this garbage tax bill on the SAME DAY??

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:54:53am

One thing that put me on the road to recovery from conservatism was the multiply repeated observation that conservatives are just fucking dumb. This was very heavily reinforced when I started posting on Free Republic. There are dumb liberals too, but not nearly as many or as dumb.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:55:42am

re: #447 Jebediah, RBG

WTF is he babbling about? Listen Tucker, most women are probably fine with you saying they’re attractive but it crosses into harassment when you’re telling your female coworkers how hot they are constantly and giving them sex toys. Stop whining about being told you should have class, asshole.

For me, anyway, I’m not comfortable with telling a woman she is attractive unless I am dating her 9or trying to)… in most situations, workplace especially, it’s irrelevant and, although I obviously can’t speak for women, I would think the unspoken reaction would be either “Oh shit, is he hitting on me?” or “Do you think my looks are the sum total of me?”

though it’s not a panacea, and may now be more complicated than it used to be, if it’s not work related and you wouldnt say it to a man, at work, dont say it to a woman, at work.

if it’s not work related, you are correct, it’s irrelevant

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:55:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:55:54am

re: #453 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One thing that put me on the road to recovery from conservatism was the multiply repeated observation that conservatives are just fucking dumb. This was very heavily reinforced when I started posting on Free Republic. There are dumb liberals too, but not nearly as many or as dumb.

Free Republic is a special kind of dumb: Malignant stupidity.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:57:09am

re: #449 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And, Johnson was an asshole, too. My comment was not meant to excuse the orange shit-goblin of any malfeasance. But, to note that even is extreme inappropriateness is also not even an original thought.

The next day part is just another example of how pathetic this white house is.

oh we’re on the same page for sure

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:57:21am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:57:50am

re: #453 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One thing that put me on the road to recovery from conservatism was the multiply repeated observation that conservatives are just fucking dumb. This was very heavily reinforced when I started posting on Free Republic. There are dumb liberals too, but not nearly as many or as dumb.

My one wingnut friend on Tuesday said that Soros and Pelosi paid off Moore’s accusers. I’ve known the guy for over 25 years and I didn’t want to go off on him but I was just astounded that someone could be that dumb. For me, my biggest problem with conservatives is how smug they are. I know that’s an accusation thrown liberals way a lot too but most liberals I know don’t claim to be the ideological heirs of the Founders.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:58:14am

re: #454 dangerman

though it’s not a panacea, and may now be more complicated than it used to be, if it’s not work related and you wouldnt say it to a man, at work, dont say it to a woman, at work.

if it’s not work related, you are correct, it’s irrelevant

Exactly. Try to maintain a professional relationship FFS.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 9:59:23am

re: #453 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One thing that put me on the road to recovery from conservatism was the multiply repeated observation that conservatives are just ** fucking dumb. This was very heavily reinforced when I started posting on Free Republic. There are dumb liberals too, but not nearly as many or as dumb.

** (can i add “willfully”)?

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:00:05am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:00:15am

re: #451 Dr Lizardo

OFFS, MIT is internationally renowned! It’s reputation is truly global.

Harvard? Don’t know it. And Yeah SK, I don’t blame you for being offended at all. You should be proud. MIT is said is internationally renowned in its rep. I’d be honored tf I had a close relative attend there especially a child.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:00:54am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:01:00am

re: #462 JordanRules

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I think it could get even closer. I definitely think Ryan could easily lose and that’s why he’s talking about leaving.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:01:44am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Try to maintain a professional relationship FFS.

get the goddamn work done. that’s why you’re there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:02:44am

he probably is this delusional

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:03:48am

Edit: Fuck it. Too dangerous at this point to even talk about Franken/Tweeden.

Sorry I posted that.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:04:56am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

he probably is this delusional

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I think it’s to go to the private sector for more money. Despite what he may want to, Ryan’s tied to Trump for good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:05:21am

lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:06:09am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:06:31am

this is not related to today’s net neutrality
im just musing

if there was no internets, in addition to not being connected to you all
i’d have no idea what half the cultural references that pass through here are
nor any clue who the smorgasbord of players is

i love the internets

(plus the music)

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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:07:21am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:08:27am

re: #473 darthstar

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“How do we make the numbers work for our cash grab for the rich?”

“We just stop the tax cuts for the rubes sooner.”

“BRILLIANT!!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:10:24am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:10:31am

Honestly the next time Republican politicians or voters call us elites, I’d direct them to what they vote for time and time after again. The precious WWC vote like millionaires even though they’re not even close to being that. But if you throw enough distractions like blaming “moochers” or scapegoating gays, immigrants, and racial minorities.

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garzooma  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:12:28am

re: #458 JordanRules

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Today, we unveil “All the President’s Profiting” - a tool you can use to track payments from political entities to properties still financially benefiting the #Trump family goo.gl

Another issue crying for a congressional investigation.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:12:52am
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darthstar  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:12:59am

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here comes the next great ground war.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:13:11am

re: #463 HappyWarrior

Harvard? Don’t know it. And Yeah SK, I don’t blame you for being offended at all. You should be proud. MIT is said is internationally renowned in its rep. I’d be honored tf I had a close relative attend there especially a child.

This is my older daughter, whose mother was my first wife, the evil “Jezebel” who ran off with my now deceased brother. When it first looked like our daughter would have a chance to go to MIT, Jezebel fretted about it.

“I don’t know, Jim, I hear the boys there are mostly gay.”
There was a long pause, but I finally answered, “So, is this a problem? Sounds like a perfect environment for her to me.”
“Acch! You have to make a joke out of everything! Can’t you take anything seriously?”
“You’re worried about stupid gossip when our daughter can go to one of the best schools in the world, but I can’t take anything seriously?

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:14:03am

re: #375 Big Beautiful Door

Pushing implies Franken was left without any choice. He had a choice; they weren’t going to expel him if he refused to resign before the investigation was complete. If I was innocent I wouldn’t have resigned; whether you like it or not, Franken wasn’t innocent, and US Senators expressing their belief he should resign are not a “mob.”

We do not know any of the details of what actually was said to Al by his Senate colleagues and if there was pushing or not. He still may feel innocent but could have seen it as being in a no win situation because too many think like you and trying to fight that was insurmountable.

Sometimes it may just be better to go away. And with the internet and the (anti)social media, that may just be a good choice. Off the grid and let this mess of a country go on without him.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:15:17am
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:15:47am

re: #480 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is my older daughter, whose mother was my first wife, the evil “Jezebel” who ran off with my now deceased brother. When it first looked like our daughter would have a chance to go to MIT, Jezebel fretted about it.

“I don’t know, Jim, I hear the boys there are mostly gay.”
There was a long pause, but I finally answered, “So, is this a problem? Sounds like a perfect environment for her to me.”
“Acch! You have to make a joke out of everything! Can’t you take anything seriously?”
“You’re worried about stupid gossip when our daughter can go to one of the best schools in the world, but I can’t take anything seriously?

I would be more worried about the dark magic MIT students perform. Like making automobiles appear on the tops of domes and towers and so forth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:13am

re: #482 FormerDirtDart

AND HERE COME THE FEES!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:21am

re: #480 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

So, Jezebel was more concerned about the daughter getting her Mrs. degree at college than the fact that she was accepted to MIT?

Yikes.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:34am

re: #482 FormerDirtDart

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An unending series of abominations…..

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:36am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:39am

The Three FCC Stooges just voted to kill net neutrality. Now sit back and see all these right wingers throw fits when they’re blocked!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:16:56am

re: #480 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is my older daughter, whose mother was my first wife, the evil “Jezebel” who ran off with my now deceased brother. When it first looked like our daughter would have a chance to go to MIT, Jezebel fretted about it.

“I don’t know, Jim, I hear the boys there are mostly gay.”
There was a long pause, but I finally answered, “So, is this a problem? Sounds like a perfect environment for her to me.”
“Acch! You have to make a joke out of everything! Can’t you take anything seriously?”
“You’re worried about stupid gossip when our daughter can go to one of the best schools in the world, but I can’t take anything seriously?

Agh. My sympathies.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:18:57am

It never fucking ends.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:19:15am

re: #487 JordanRules

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Because our last war with North Korea went so so well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:19:19am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:19:42am

re: #490 MsJ

It never fucking ends.

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Shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:20:00am
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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:20:27am

re: #482 FormerDirtDart

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Swell. So another hugely-unpopular corporate-giveaway cost-boosting “deregulation” enacted on a “party-line vote”; despite (or rather, in direct contempt of) public opinion.

Wonder if any of the folks whose ISP bills are going to go up, and/or their broadband access degrade are going to remember which Party it was who did it?

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:20:46am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

AND HERE COME THE FEES!

Oh, they won’t come all at once, they never do. But keep a watch on your bills in the coming months, because they’ll start sneaking in there. As well as when you start trying to pull up Netflix on Comcast and find you can’t get on, but you can get HD-quality signal to XFinity.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:20:56am

So…which company will jack their rates up first?

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:21:03am

Link

Tavis smiley fights back

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piratedan  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:21:14am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

in Trump World, the only Americans who are “working every day” must be earning over a million a year, everyone else is just a serf.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:21:41am

smdh

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:22:06am

re: #497 Eclectic Cyborg

So…which company will jack their rates up first?

Comcast. Guaranteed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:22:38am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

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smdh

I hope she realizes what she is getting herself in to.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:22:52am

re: #487 JordanRules

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:07am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

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smdh

And she’ll probably win because she’ll milk the “I’m the widow of a fallen politician” sympathy card for all its worth.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:16am

re: #501 Targetpractice

Comcast. Guaranteed.

I’m already fucked with Comcast. This makes me livid.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:16am

re: #497 Eclectic Cyborg

So…which company will jack their rates up first?

I’m thinking Comcast or AT&T.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:25am

re: #497 Eclectic Cyborg

So…which company will jack their rates up first?

I’d reply but Charter says that they’re going to charge me 15 cents every time I hit post.

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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:46am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

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smdh

It’s Kentucky: is it being too snarky to assume she would get elected in a landslide?

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:23:49am

re: #503 JordanRules

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Right, because a war with China will do wonders for the GOP next year.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:25:27am

If Graham isn’t blowing smoke isn’t it time for the GOP to maybe consider removing Trump from office?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:25:36am

gaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:28:28am

Beijing’s already put us on notice that if we attack Pyongyang, they’ll be declaring war on us in defense of the Kim regime. So if Trump’s advisors are telling him that they can blow up a few targets with Tomahawks and JDAMs and it’ll be “show our resolve,” then they’re out of their fucking minds.

Oh wait, I forgot, the deaths will be “over there,” so they figure that a few million killed in the first day are “acceptable losses.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:28:59am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:29:03am

re: #510 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh no, he agrees with him now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:29:30am

20 million people will die in and around Seoul within 72 hrs.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:30:15am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:30:36am

re: #515 Colère Tueur de Lapin

20 million people will die in and around Seoul within 72 hrs.

And if he thinks it will be only “over there” he’s higher than a kite.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:32:12am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:32:21am

re: #517 MsJ

And if he thinks it will be only “over there” he’s higher than a kite.

Even still, does he really think there are no Americans “over there” ?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:32:48am

re: #503 JordanRules

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Russia just had people in NK. I bet they delivered another nuke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:33:00am

(my congresscritter)

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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:34:06am

re: #513 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This should make things interesting, since (IIRC) the same fuckwits who just voted to kill net neutrality also declared that state/local govts will be barred from passing their own laws.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:34:16am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:35:45am

re: #519 Eclectic Cyborg

Even still, does he really think there are no Americans “over there” ?

I am referring to Over Here. If China sees this as an attack on them, what makes anyone thing that bombs won’t start raining down on US soil?

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:36:47am
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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:37:00am

re: #522 Targetpractice

This should make things interesting, since (IIRC) the same fuckwits who just voted to kill net neutrality also declared that state/local govts will be barred from passing their own laws.

That was what I thought, too. But it will be interesting when states tell the feds to get fucked, which I am sure CA will start the ball rolling with.

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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:37:50am

re: #503 JordanRules

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I think it’s so nice with John McCain gone that Lindsey’s found a new friend.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:38:41am

re: #524 MsJ

I am referring to Over Here. If China sees this as an attack on them, what makes anyone thing that bombs won’t start raining down on US soil?

It won’t even have to be bombs. It’ll be economic and cyber too.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:41:07am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:42:31am

re: #528 GlutenFreeJesus

It won’t even have to be bombs. It’ll be economic and cyber too.

As I’ve been predicting! China dumps Treasury Securities as the world dumps the $ as the reserve currency!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:43:02am

Poor white trash Dotard supporters will now have to pay more money to visit StromFront. Congrats, idiots.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:43:18am
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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:43:32am

re: #527 Skip Intro

He really did bounce back nicely with a new buddy. They share blackmail stories and well done steak!

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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:44:28am

re: #518 JordanRules

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Congress can overrule the FCC”??

I mean, I’m all for this - but “Fightfortheftr” and anybody else who thinks this, Republican-led Congress is going to do jack-diddly-squat against the big-business interests that pay for their campaigns is frankly, dreaming/delusional.

Even leaving aside the fact that the Trump Admin has stacked every Federal agency they possibly can with blatantly pro-corporate hacks (with minimal opposition from Congress -if any), most Republican Reps (and Senators) are overtly proud of their “pro-business” - i.e. corporate whore - status, and convinced that “consumer protection” rules are some evil anti-American (probably Communist) plot against all that is Good.

Good f——-’ luck.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:44:39am

Wow, who is got pic’s of Paul Ryan?!
He go bye bye

politico.com

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:45:01am
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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:46:43am

re: #487 JordanRules

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Jeez—now Lindsey’s a “Trump confidant?” Quite the 180 for my feckless senator. Wonder how long till the yam totally humiliates him.

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S'latch  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:48:24am

Ajit Pai is a piece of shit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:49:26am

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THESE BLITHERING IDIOTS ANY MORE.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:49:27am
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Skip Intro  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:49:39am

re: #533 JordanRules

He really did bounce back nicely with a new buddy. They share blackmail stories and well done steak!

Best of all, they both love WAR, just like John did.

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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:49:55am

re: #538 S’latch

Ajit Pai is a piece of shit.

I’m really not sure there’s anyone more absolutely dedicated or gleeful about doing evil than Pai.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:50:09am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:50:12am

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THESE BLITHERING IDIOTS ANY MORE.

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I’m tired of hearing about these people too.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:50:16am

re: #537 BeachDem

Yup just a matter of when, not if.
Pathetic Lindsey!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:51:07am
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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:51:55am
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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:52:07am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:52:14am

re: #546 bill d. (b.d.)

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Is this Rubio actually being a decent person and not GOP hack?!?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:52:17am

so…we have Nikki pushing a war with Iran, and Lindsey pushing a war with North Korea.
And the GOP pushing massive tax cuts without any new revenue sources.

What could possibly go wrong?

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S'latch  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:52:41am

re: #542 scottslemmons

/NdBg0YiTUzFoLpe8Y9DJlGER6iB5cGZzaiSrsX+sOOKqw3pgwestToJNmBUS+48scyqNXFPo9eYyLNwcmeQoQ==

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:53:30am

re: #550 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…we have Nikki pushing a war with Iran, and Lindsey pushing a war with North Korea.
And the GOP pushing massive tax cuts without any new revenue sources.

What could possibly go wrong?

Bush years all over again.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:53:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:56:19am

JEEBUS

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:56:52am
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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:57:01am

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THESE BLITHERING IDIOTS ANY MORE.

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“Residents of [Wherever] voted for Donald Trump a year ago because he promised them jobs and prosperity. Ignoring every expert warning that Trump’s policy proposals were hot air that would only end up backfiring, that Trump himself was a con man who never kept a promise in his life, and that the economic model they hoped to bring back was dead and gone and could not be revived, they inexplicably remain firm in their unsustainable beliefs.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:57:36am

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

JEEBUS

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They still are deplorable and they’re stupid enough to think he gives a fuck.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:57:37am
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scottslemmons  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:57:51am

re: #551 S’latch

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:58:01am

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

JEEBUS

BWAHAHA!!! I can’t wait until these “forgotten” see their taxes go up.

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:58:14am

re: #550 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…we have Nikki pushing a war with Iran, and Lindsey pushing a war with North Korea.
And the GOP pushing massive tax cuts without any new revenue sources.

What could possibly go wrong?

There seems to be a south by dog carolina connection there somewhere…

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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:58:57am

re: #546 bill d. (b.d.)

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Wedges. We have to drive those wedges as deep as we can make them. The changes that would please Rubio will make Paul a no vote. The changes that will please Paul will force Collins’ hand to a no vote.

THEY CANNOT SPARE ANY MORE NO VOTES.

And the longer this mess remains in the sunlight, the more rancid it grows.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 10:59:50am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

They still are deplorable and they’re stupid enough to think he gives a fuck.

And that they’re actually gonna benefit

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:00:13am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:01:39am

re: #556 ipsos

“Residents of [Wherever] voted for Donald Trump a year ago because he promised them jobs and prosperity. Ignoring every expert warning that Trump’s policy proposals were hot air that would only end up backfiring, that Trump himself was a con man who never kept a promise in his life, and that the economic model they hoped to bring back was dead and gone and could not be revived, they inexplicably remain firm in their unsustainable beliefs.”

“These salt of the Earth, common clay of the new West folks don’t blame Trump for selling them a pack of lies that would never come true, but instead blame ‘Washington’ and ‘the establishment.’ In other words, the very institutions they spent years cheering when they were keeping ‘that ni-CLANG’ who’d stolen the election twice from fulfilling his own campaign promises.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:01:46am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

They still are deplorable and they’re stupid enough to think he gives a fuck.

HRC was very specific about what she meant by “deplorable”: outright white supremacists and neo-nazis.

But these snowflakes get all hurt feelings if you call them “racist”

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:02:24am
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Renaissance_Man  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:02:33am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

They still are deplorable and they’re stupid enough to think he gives a fuck.

It’s part of the constant media narrative to excuse evil white people for their evil acts. That’s why we all have to pretend it’s ‘economic anxiety’, or ‘gullibility’, when their vote was never about economics or promises. It was always about what they’re still getting from their media - the ability to express the rage they are fed against brown people and liberals without guilt or remorse.

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:03:03am

re: #424 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ryan of course means we need to ban abortion and restrict access to contraceptives so more teenagers get pregnant and have babies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:03:33am

uh huh…sure thing…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:04:22am

minority outreach in action:

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:04:26am

re: #566 The Vicious Babushka

HRC was very specific about what she meant by “deplorable”: outright white supremacists and neo-nazis.

But these snowflakes get all hurt feelings if you call them “racist”

Keep in mind a lot of people on the left thought that cost her the election and was by far the dumbest thing she ever said.

And no I am not kidding. I have heard that a lot.

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KGxvi  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:05:53am

re: #572 ObserverArt

Keep in mind a lot of people on the left thought that cost her the election and was by far the dumbest thing she ever said.

And no I am not kidding. I have heard that a lot.

Someone should make a definitive list of all the things that cost Clinton the race, so we can have it handy for 2020.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:06:04am

a rabbit…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:06:45am

re: #572 ObserverArt

Keep in mind a lot of people on the left thought that cost her the election and was by far the dumbest thing she ever said.

And no I am not kidding. I have heard that a lot.

She said “50% of Trump supporters were deplorables.”

She was wrong. It’s “all of them, Katie.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:08:11am

re: #441 darthstar

Keeper of holiest site in Christianity refuses to welcome Pence after Jerusalem decision

this is worse than not letting sean spicer go see the pope

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:08:41am

re: #575 The Vicious Babushka

She said “50% of Trump supporters were deplorables.”

She was wrong. It’s “all of them, Katie.”

The ones who still support him especially are.

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KGxvi  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:09:09am

re: #571 Backwoods_Sleuth

Roy Moore: We’d be better of without the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, and the 19th amendment too.

Black People: ah, hell nah.

Wingnuts: Just more of the plantation mindset

(And I think I just realized “plantation mindset” is also projection)

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:10:12am

re: #573 KGxvi

Someone should make a definitive list of all the things that cost Clinton the race, so we can have it handy for 2020.

I think I know some guys that could compose that list.

Another biggie I hear a lot; she tried too hard to appeal to moderate Republicans and got in bed with too many Neocons.

You want more? I could go on, but I am already pretty damn frustrated with all of this after reading through this thread.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:10:25am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:10:34am

re: #572 ObserverArt

Keep in mind a lot of people on the left thought that cost her the election and was by far the dumbest thing she ever said.

And no I am not kidding. I have heard that a lot.

You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America

.”

She was/is not wrong

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:12:37am
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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:13:26am

re: #581 dangerman

.”

She was/is not wrong

Hey…I didn’t post all that!!! : )

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:13:38am

News would be made if SHSanders said something accurate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:13:59am

*THUD*

WASHINGTON (AP) — Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur has told members of her caucus that revealing clothes worn by staffers and some members of Congress are an “invitation” for sexual harassment.

Kaptur’s remarks were first reported by Politico after a private Democratic caucus meeting on Wednesday. The news site reported that Kaptur, the longest serving member in the Ohio delegation, mentioned that she’d seen a member the day before with cleavage so deep “it was down to the floor.”

Kaptur subsequently issued a statement that said her office became a “refuge” for mistreated female staffers when she was first elected. She says it’s something she carries “to this day” and brought it up to during the caucus meeting.

Her statement added that “under no circumstances” is it the victim’s fault if they’re harassed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:14:08am

re: #560 Belafon

BWAHAHA!!! I can’t wait until these “forgotten” see their taxes go up.

We know who they will blame when their taxes go up—Pelosi!

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John Carter  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:14:14am

re: #572 ObserverArt

Keep in mind a lot of people on the left thought that cost her the election and was by far the dumbest thing she ever said.

And no I am not kidding. I have heard that a lot.

Wait she lost the election? That wasn’t just a shitty dream I had? For real???

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:15:13am

re: #582 jaunte

. .@SHSanders45 just said “most Americans” will get a “huge” tax cut. That’s not accurate.

Dave it’s a fucking lie

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:15:19am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

Time to hide those saucy ankles behind some good solid work boots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:16:41am
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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:17:09am

re: #518 JordanRules

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I just called all my reps.

I’ve been working on the net since 1997, and I’ve had my own business for 20 years. This repeal will likely put me out of business.

I told them all to stand up for small business or expect to be voted out of office.

Fuckers.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:17:17am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur has told members of her caucus that revealing clothes worn by staffers and some members of Congress are an “invitation” for sexual harassment.

Kaptur’s remarks were first reported by Politico after a private Democratic caucus meeting on Wednesday. The news site reported that Kaptur, the longest serving member in the Ohio delegation, mentioned that she’d seen a member the day before with cleavage so deep “it was down to the floor.”

Kaptur subsequently issued a statement that said her office became a “refuge” for mistreated female staffers when she was first elected. She says it’s something she carries “to this day” and brought it up to during the caucus meeting.

Her statement added that “under no circumstances” is it the victim’s fault if they’re harassed.

Last paragrapht does not equal the first

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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:17:23am

re: #559 scottslemmons

9WV2s5zuYwxSmsJdEqn6Sz7oxKt+sHNuZu57IpfoA/EkGZ+GuzO2Y3DBkyLzyi36jthvqNnEcEnqKKXMtH5S+F1WaSfjzjXDS4BjfcBoFaJj9YdtewGRoxACh6bAnLnHpUIuCeq9pR5McwI8NfrBn8GWocNybfYr0t4HHzl6TLB8/hrbwJI87IS+GH2oUJoU56rfkDfu6k40Ysc2GlgFbvZublH0THncNtKTXAtaJ/ZyzINfQNN0FO2V7pmfyoCDCRIEyOpaBBEKNlRakaH1Oay/FnRYMGLoX1uxNbJ/J9ZyMacP7Sfge/LinEPe3S6O94iRTg4FQarhBddcvyOeE82PG7UjqgpkgvvkY+KlNUE0W5dD3Go3J66ldUnxjdpU

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ObserverArt  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:17:27am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Ohio Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur has told members of her caucus that revealing clothes worn by staffers and some members of Congress are an “invitation” for sexual harassment.

Kaptur’s remarks were first reported by Politico after a private Democratic caucus meeting on Wednesday. The news site reported that Kaptur, the longest serving member in the Ohio delegation, mentioned that she’d seen a member the day before with cleavage so deep “it was down to the floor.”

Kaptur subsequently issued a statement that said her office became a “refuge” for mistreated female staffers when she was first elected. She says it’s something she carries “to this day” and brought it up to during the caucus meeting.

Her statement added that “under no circumstances” is it the victim’s fault if they’re harassed.

She has been an embarrassment to Ohio and the Democratic party for a long time. It is time for her to retire so we can get someone from this century in her district.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:17:59am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:18:31am

re: #592 dangerman

Last paragrapht does not equal the first

Marcy is backpedaling.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:19:12am
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Targetpractice  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:19:21am

re: #595 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Who are they ‘burdensome’ on?”

“Why, the companies trying to fleece the public blind.”

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:19:37am

re: #595 Backwoods_Sleuth

“The Trump administration supports the FCC’s effort to roll back burdensome regulations ways to skim more from the rubes.”

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:21:20am
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Mike Lamb  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:23:33am

re: #594 ObserverArt

She has been an embarrassment to Ohio and the Democratic party for a long time. It is time for her to retire so we can get someone from this century in her district.

That kind of statement should have her resigning.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:25:22am

re: #593 A Mom Anon

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there’s a good chance that the market will drive this.
if the isps raise rates, throttle, set up fast lanes, limit content and people bolt, they’d have to adjust

maybe the porn industry will lead the charge (1/2 ///)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:26:05am
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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:26:39am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:28:03am

re: #160 DodgerFan1988

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:28:49am
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plansbandc  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:29:15am

re: #529 JordanRules

Sounds like orange clown’s America in a nutshell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:29:20am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:29:39am

re: #585 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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WTF. I worked for her a long time ago. I know she’s old school but still.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:29:59am

re: #605 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s an insane claim. Innocent people don’t kill themselves when accused. You want to desperately support monsters and hate decent people, and this colors your worldview.

the third repeat: they are just taking advantage of an opportunity to paint this fellow as a victim of vicious, hateful liberal smears.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:30:09am

re: #594 ObserverArt

She has been an embarrassment to Ohio and the Democratic party for a long time. It is time for her to retire so we can get someone from this century in her district.

she’s a legislator ffs

this:

…revealing clothes worn by staffers and some members of Congress are an “invitation” for sexual harassment.

could easily have been:

no one has to do anything more than adhere to the job’s dress code

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:30:50am

re: #594 ObserverArt

She has been an embarrassment to Ohio and the Democratic party for a long time. It is time for her to retire so we can get someone from this century in her district.

In my HS’s poli sci program I was assigned to intern for her. She seemed reasonable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:30:57am

re: #606 Backwoods_Sleuth

Omarosa has already resigned and will still be on the payroll for 5 more weeks. Sarah Huckabee Sanders can’t explain why taxpayers are still paying the salary for someone who has resigned.

this says a lot about modern america and its labor laws…

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BeachDem  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:31:05am

re: #597 JordanRules

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Jim and Mignon Clyburn—the good peeps out of SC (polar opposites of Lindsey and Nikki)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:31:36am

re: #172 wheat-dogg

May dog help us all

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:32:01am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:32:48am

re: #606 Backwoods_Sleuth

Omarosa has already resigned and will still be on the payroll for 5 more weeks. Sarah Huckabee Sanders can’t explain why taxpayers are still paying the salary for someone who has resigned.

see spicer, sean and
iirc, priebus, reince

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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:32:54am

Holy shit, does he look like crap today. He sounds like he’s gasping for breath when he has any energy at all. I hope he’s sleeping very poorly and upping his Diet Coke consumption.

Also, showing up like this to brag about something so universally reviled as Net Neutrality repeal is really a bad political choice. I hope he keeps making those, too.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:34:12am

re: #603 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can they explain what taxpayers were paying for before she resigned?

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:34:33am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:34:37am

re: #618 ipsos

I think the one thing in this world that’s safe is Donnie Doll Hands’ ability to make shitty decisions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:35:38am

WTFITS

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:36:00am

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Louie is so mad bro

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:36:04am

JFC

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:37:47am

re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

They managed to make every word doublespeek.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:38:18am

re: #622 The Vicious Babushka

WTFITS
.@POTUS: “We ordered that for every one new regulation two old regulations must be eliminated.”

cause the # of regs, not need or purpose is a great way to govern

to preserve the “old” regs there’s gonna be a lot of “and”

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:38:28am

re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Oh, that thread should be fun reading. Going to look.

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ipsos  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:39:20am

Asshole sure does love his piles of blank paper, doesn’t he? Jesus.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:39:34am

re: #625 Belafon

They managed to make every word doublespeek lied.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:40:49am

re: #628 ipsos

Asshole sure does love his piles of blank paper, doesn’t he? Jesus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:40:52am
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Stanley Sea  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:43:20am

He’s cutting a ribbon in front of paper

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:43:24am

Tomorrow belongs to me Cabaret

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:43:42am
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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:44:13am

re: #633 The Vicious Babushka

As a small businessman I can attest that 83K number is bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:44:21am

Jim is having troll fun today:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:44:48am

re: #630 The Vicious Babushka

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Thre also was state sanctioned discrimination in 1960 too. Times change.

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KGxvi  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:45:27am

re: #622 The Vicious Babushka

regulations are written by lawyers, lawyers can be creative in combining regulations using subsections, so not entirely sure what this accomplishes beyond:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:45:28am

re: #633 The Vicious Babushka

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$83K…that’s close to what pajama boy spent in taxpayer money to settle a harassment claim.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:45:52am

re: #635 jaunte

As a small businessman I can attest that 83K number is bullshit.

asinine

otoh if you’re spending $83k in your first year complying with regs, you’re a big small business

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:46:13am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:47:11am

Look at this stupid stunt.

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KGxvi  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:47:40am

re: #630 The Vicious Babushka

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In 1960 we didn’t have:

cable television, satellite television, satellite radio, cell phones, personal computers, the internet, more than 2 credit cards, ATMs, and a billion other things.

We also had a block of states determined to deny basic civil rights to about a quarter of the population, if not more.

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:48:00am

re: #637 HappyWarrior

Thre also was state sanctioned discrimination in 1960 too. Times change.

there were no net neutrality regs either. qed we don’t need em

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:48:03am

re: #435 darthstar

Done.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:49:11am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #641 JordanRules

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all D’s
plus Sanders (not a D)

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:51:18am

re: #642 The Vicious Babushka

Look at this stupid stunt.

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if he’s doing this he’s not nuking NK or Iran

maybe the guys who “structure the security briefings” have a plan here…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:51:30am

re: #643 KGxvi

In 1960 we didn’t have:

cable television, satellite television, satellite radio, cell phones, personal computers, the internet, more than 2 credit cards, ATMs, and a billion other things.

We also had a block of states determined to deny basic civil rights to about a quarter of the population, if not more.

Exactly but it’s easy to just talk generalities and the rubes fall for it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:51:59am

GOLDEN SCISSORS.

Also, he is wandering around like he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing.

Also too: LOOK AT THOSE TEENY TINY LI’L FEETIES.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:52:20am

re: #647 dangerman

all D’s
plus Sanders (not a D)

I get the impression that the agent is a conservative Republican who hates what Trump has done to the integrity of the agency and DOJ.

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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:52:26am
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:52:50am

re: #634 FormerDirtDart

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:53:05am
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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:53:39am

re: #643 KGxvi

In 1960 we didn’t have:

cable television, satellite television, satellite radio, cell phones, personal computers, the internet, more than 2 credit cards, ATMs, and a billion other things.

We also had a block of states determined to deny basic civil rights to about a quarter of the population, if not more.

no epa
not much of an fda
no osha
et al

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Belafon  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:54:46am

re: #643 KGxvi

In 1960 we didn’t have:

cable television, satellite television, satellite radio, cell phones, personal computers, the internet, more than 2 credit cards, ATMs, and a billion other things.

We also had a block of states determined to deny basic civil rights to about a quarter of the population, if not more.

The population of the US was 179M, vs 323M today. The worlds population was 3B vs 7.6B.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:55:20am

re: #650 The Vicious Babushka

GOLDEN SCISSORS.

Also, he is wandering around like he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to be doing.

Also too: LOOK AT THOSE TEENY TINY LI’L FEETIES.

one would think that someone would have mentioned the bad optics of using enormously oversized scissors…it just makes his tiny hands look even smaller.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:55:23am

re: #653 Ace-o-aces

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Uh oh, those FBI agents are going to get a metric sh*t-ton of stuff from the Bernie Bros now.

THE FBI COST BERNIE THE NOMINATION!!!

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KGxvi  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:55:27am

re: #649 HappyWarrior

Exactly but it’s easy to just talk generalities and the rubes fall for it.

Cutting red tape is almost always a winner as talking points go. It sounds like you want to get shit done (which is kind of where the saying comes from). But how you get shit done is (or should be) as important as actually getting it done. And regulations are very much about how shit gets done in this country.

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William Lewis  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:55:54am

Cheap bacon.
Cheap tomato.
Head of Iceberg lettuce.
Chain store white bread, toasted.

And yet, all together, that BLT is far more than the sum of those parts.

We might not have the parts we want, or the best bits ever, but we can still build something better than we had before we started with what we have. Perhaps not the best or most perfect sandwich, but better than what we started with.

But if I’d thrown out that cheap bacon because it wasn’t good enough even though it wasn’t spoiled? Then no sandwich and we’re worse off than we were before.

A lesson for you while I eat my lunch.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:55:57am

re: #655 dangerman

no epa
not much of an fda
no osha
et al

Right. If you look at who has been hired to lead these organizations it’s clear that MAGA means “go back to pre-civil rights, pre-safety and protection era America.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:56:15am
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:57:01am

re: #657 Backwoods_Sleuth

one would think that someone would have mentioned the bad optics of using enormously oversized scissors…it just makes his tiny hands look even smaller.

His liddle’ feet are so tiny, you have to wonder how he can even balance his bloated body on such a small surface area.

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MsJ  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:57:17am

re: #646 FormerDirtDart

Seth Abramson/Eric Garland/Louise Mensch
These are the serial tweetstormers who show up any time something Russia-related happens to Trump, and then they act as if they have all the top-secret info to BLOW THIS WHOLE THING WIDE OPEN. They are…not reliable.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:57:45am

re: #662 FormerDirtDart

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Whoa! Go, Jake!

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:58:05am

Good thread.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:58:43am

re: #663 The Vicious Babushka

His liddle’ feet are so tiny, you have to wonder how he can even balance his bloated body on such a small surface area.

I was wondering if the podium was modified to accommodate that ever-expanding gut of his.
Imma gonna bet he’ll be reaching William Howard Taft proportions before this is all over.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 14, 2017 • 11:59:27am

Hmmm. No new thread yet?

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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:02:05pm

Rick Wilson’s take on the Alabama election. While I don’t agree with a lot of it, his takes on Trump and Bannon are deliciously brutal.

The con game Steve Bannon has pulled on Republicans in the last year-and-a-half goes something like this: Only Bannon and Breitbart have an ear to the ground and a finger on the pulse of the new nationalist movement that’s reshaping conservatism and its own image. The scam centers on the concept that a rising force of nationalists who hate brown people, gay people, and anyone who doesn’t toe the neo-nationalist line is unstoppable, implacable, and at the immediate disposal of Trump and Bannon. The scam puts hatred of the media and “elites” (by which they mean, “people who can read”) before any conservative principle.

We also realized Tuesday night that there is a Newtonian character to Donald Trump’s social-media power. Trump may motivate his part of the Republican base with whatever lunatic batshittery streams from his fingers to his Twitter account, but activating those individuals also brings an equal and opposite reaction from people who don’t breathe through their mouths, don’t read the comments section of Breitbart or /r/The_Donald, or believe that everything wrong in their lives comes from the conspiracy between George Soros and the lizard people.

Yes, Donald Trump gets the base riled up. His rock-bottom approval ratings mean he also activates women, African Americans, Hispanics, and every other demographic group that doesn’t fit into his 1950s (or is it 1850s?) fantasy of what America looks, works, and feels like. Those folks—and for many of you Trump readers, this is a complicated idea, so follow along—comprise what scientists call a majority of voters. And they hate him. They hate him so much they’ll crawl across broken glass to vote against him and any candidate he endorses.

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JordanRules  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:03:24pm
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Kragar  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:03:26pm
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makeitstop  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:03:39pm

re: #664 MsJ

Malcolm Nance calls them ‘Team Pillow Fort.’

I liked Garland. He seemed to have a good heart, at least. But at the end of the day, I can’t trust him.

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jaunte  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:04:31pm

re: #655 dangerman

Red tape is how people stopped getting poisoned by canned food.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:06:59pm

re: #662 FormerDirtDart

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I want bad things to happen ot that monster.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:09:08pm

re: #379 MsJ

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:11:30pm

re: #662 FormerDirtDart

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of course there was no alex jones in 1960 either

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:14:47pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Big Beautiful Door  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:15:14pm

re: #609 HappyWarrior

WTF. I worked for her a long time ago. I know she’s old school but still.

How old is she?

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:15:45pm

re: #669 makeitstop

…or believe that everything wrong in their lives comes from the conspiracy between George Soros and the lizard people.

we’re (in)famous

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dangerman  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:17:02pm

re: #673 jaunte

Red tape is how people stopped getting poisoned by canned food.

indeed

red tape may be how people stopped getting poisoned by actual red tape

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:25:19pm

re: #482 FormerDirtDart

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:29:13pm

re: #635 jaunte

As a small businessman I can attest that 83K number is bullshit.

Their idea of “small” is not what you would consider to be small.

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sagehen  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:38:38pm

re: #672 makeitstop

Malcolm Nance calls them ‘Team Pillow Fort.’

I liked Garland. He seemed to have a good heart, at least. But at the end of the day, I can’t trust him.

Is that maybe, possibly, a sorta-Freudian double-entendre dog-whistle reference to Fort Pillow?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:41:13pm

re: #518 JordanRules

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:42:26pm

re: #683 sagehen

Is that maybe, possibly, a sorta-Freudian double-entendre dog-whistle reference to Fort Pillow?

sometimes a pillow fort is just a pillow fort.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:51:37pm

re: #539 The Vicious Babushka

NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR ABOUT THESE BLITHERING IDIOTS ANY MORE.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 12:58:45pm

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

JEEBUS

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:01:11pm

re: #554 The Vicious Babushka

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:02:09pm

re: #556 ipsos

“Residents of [Wherever] voted for Donald Trump a year ago because he promised them jobs and prosperity. Ignoring every expert warning that Trump’s policy proposals were hot air that would only end up backfiring, that Trump himself was a con man who never kept a promise in his life, and that the economic model they hoped to bring back was dead and gone and could not be revived, they inexplicably remain firm in their unsustainable beliefs.”

Because he signaled that their bigotry is now acceptable again.

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Jay C  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:03:04pm

re: #676 dangerman

of course there was no alex jones in 1960 either

Oh I’m sure there were plenty of “Alex Jones” types around in 1960: the main difference between then and now is that fringe nutcases like Jones had to rely on limited, low-tech methods (mimeographed newsletters, grainy ads in “mens’” magazines, etc.) to spread their looney-tunes toxicity around. In the marvelous 21st Century, the media environment not only allows cranks like A.J. something like a national (international, really) platform, but also lets those Deplorables who believe in his BS to wallow in it to exclusion of pretty much all else.
Progress……

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:07:18pm

re: #580 Kragar

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:08:44pm

re: #667 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was wondering if the podium was modified to accommodate that ever-expanding gut of his.
Imma gonna bet he’ll be reaching William Howard Taft proportions before this is all over.

Hope they still have Will’s tub somewhere in the basement

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:11:23pm

re: #580 Kragar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:13:41pm

re: #580 Kragar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

re: #608 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:25:08pm

re: #624 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:26:34pm

re: #631 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Dec 14, 2017 • 1:29:20pm

re: #642 The Vicious Babushka

Look at this stupid stunt.

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carey94tt  Dec 14, 2017 • 3:06:51pm

re: #435 darthstar

Boy, they certainly didn’t make it easy.


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