Attorney General William P. Barr is expected to hold a news conference at 9:30 a.m. to discuss special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s final report. Read more: https://wapo.st/2PepEAe.
It’s almost like he already knows what Barr’s going to say. https://t.co/Awu0qfXukX
— CAP Action (@CAPAction) April 18, 2019
I’ll let stephaniemiller.com listen and comment on this dumpster fire than you very much.
Man… There’s false bravado hatching out all over.
Here we go folks
The redacted Mueller report is going to be more blacked out than Brett Kavanaugh at a college party
— Edward Hardy (@EdwardTHardy) April 18, 2019
It’s a tell when AG Barr is releasing his redacted report on Mueller’s findings, and Bob Mueller, the author of the report investigating Trump and Russia interference in US elections, isn’t there.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 18, 2019
Hmm. I guess clicking your heels three times and saying “total exoneration” doesn’t make it so. https://t.co/i1PBKc4PnK
— Michael R. Bromwich (@mrbromwich) April 18, 2019
Translated: “See Rod over there? The guy who you praised for protecting the investigation? Yeah, he’s here to lend me cover. But he won’t be talking, because he knows what’s good for him.”
Here is AG Barr, with DAG Rosenstein behind him: “I am committed to ensuring the greatest possible degree of transparency concerning the Special Counsel investigation, consistent with the law” pic.twitter.com/AiNqnGgARN
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) April 18, 2019
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth
The fox news feed knows when to temporarily mute the sound:
“Trump was not cleared of any wrongdoing. In fact, he was so not innocent, he will not finish his term.”
I turned off the sound. I just can’t take the blatant crime in front of me.
Barr says that, thanks to Mueller, “we now know that the Russian operatives who perpetrated these schemes did not have the cooperation of President Trump or the Trump campaign.” (Caveat with all of these statements: we haven’t seen what the report does say.)
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
I’m heading to the deck to burn a bowl and listen to the birds…….
No American knowingly assisted the Russians, adds Barr.
— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) April 18, 2019
Knowingly? So they unwittingly coordinated with Russia. Trump asked for Russia to help and his campaign met with Russians to do what exactly?
Bulkshit in Costco quantities is being spewed here, and no one should trust anything said until we see the full unredacted report.
This is all about spinning the narrative to favor Trump.
Nothing will be resolved by all of this.
And I now suspect that all this theatre is intentional, as duress and confusion is the best possible cover for crimes.
Barr is mostly paraphrasing page 2 of his March 24 letter right now. (So this part of the presser would not seem to be necessary for a press conference.)
— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) April 18, 2019
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Your fucking boss denied that the Russians even interfered. You Mr. Barr have no credibility.
Is Rosenstein blinking in morse code yet?
So we’re getting Barr repeating the bulletpoints of his letter, but trying to explain them to us like we’re damned children.
re: #19 HappyWarrior
Barr is a disgrace.
He has a particular set of skills.
The narrative from anyone not Trump, Barr, or the GOP should be “This is useless. Where’s the whole report?”
Barr, paraphrasing, says Mueller found “no collusion” by any American with any of the Russian Internet Research Agency’s troll-disinformation effort.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
Basically Barr is defending his own damned letter.
And now we’re getting the portion of Barr’s speech that was written by the White House counsel.
Barr says that he and DAG Rosenstein “disagreed with some of the Special Counsel’s legal theories and felt that some of the episodes examined did not amount to obstruction as a matter of law,” but accepted Mueller’s legal framework in doing their analysis
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) April 18, 2019
Barr: “Russian operatives who perpetuated these schemes did not have the cooperation of Trump or his campaign.”
Mueller called it “coordinated.”
Barr is the first one to use “cooperation.”— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) April 18, 2019
Drink. And he just said it again. “Trump was frustrated and angered…but fully cooperated.”😂😂🤣 #ShillBarr https://t.co/I7UXCff9C8
— Laffy (@GottaLaff) April 18, 2019
Barr is repeating the expansive-sounding, but actually narrow claims he made in his letter: that Trump associates didn’t participate directly in the IRA and GRU conspiracies.
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) April 18, 2019
This is just shameless propaganda and torturing of law to place Trump above it. A complete disgrace.
— Brian Beutler (@brianbeutler) April 18, 2019
re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth
Is Rosenstein blinking in morse code yet?
He sure looks like he knows this is a steaming pile of Barr Bullshit. Hell, he might start to cry, but maybe the tranquilizers are working and that emotion is unavailable to him.
re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth
Which is why Mueller got to interview him. //
So basically what happened is the Russians interfered w our election to help Trump. Trump met with them and asked for it publicly. He then LIED about it & FIRED THE HEAD OF THE FBI to stop the investigation, replaced the AG with a lackey and now we’re watching that lackey speak.
— Mikel Jollett (@Mikel_Jollett) April 18, 2019
re: #32 ObserverArt
He sure looks like he knows this is a steaming pile of Barr Bullshit. Hell, he might start to cry, but maybe the tranquilizers are working and that emotion is unavailable to him.
His family will be released when Trump’s term ends.
Barr says Trump took “no act” to deprive Mueller of the documents or witnesses he needed in his investigation. He says, of his no-obstruction decision, that there was good evidence showing Trump had “non-corrupt motives.”
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
Like Cheney he can sell anything with that “I’m just reading a dinner menu” tone of voice. https://t.co/wjr51dalaK
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
This is an astounding moment in the history of bullshit.
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 18, 2019
I like how Mueller’s report releases with no sign of of Mueller at this press conference.
Barr elaborates on yesterday’s filing in Roger Stone’s case — he says that he’ll allow a bipartisan group of congressional leaders and congressional committees to see a version of the report with all information *unredacted* EXCEPT for grand jury material
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) April 18, 2019
re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth
“But your honor, I robbed the bank and killed the guard in order to pay my child’s medical bills.”
To me, Barr seems to be doing the equivalent of saying “Yeah he gave them a tip off about where the armored car would be but because he didn’t pull the gun on the driver, it means he didn’t do anything wrong.”
Nancy needs to put Barr’s impeachment on the table right now!
Rosenstein makes a weird side-eye look when Barr claims that Mueller was okay with Barr making the decision.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) April 18, 2019
This right here. https://t.co/TcKL2Cr97H
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
Barr says Mueller didn’t indicate his intention was to leave the obstruction call “to Congress.” He says he didn’t talk to Mueller directly about his decision to make his own call, but he’s been “told” that Mueller thought it was “my prerogative.”
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
I think the two assistants are there to simply help shovel the BS that Barr is pouring out.
Barr getting a little touchy there. Yeah, he knows he is shoveling shit.
Keep on him press.
Oh look, the questions are over…that was rather fast.
I noted the very careful, lawyerly language Barr used to say the Trump campaign did not actively or knowingly participate in Russian hacking, which might well be true. He did not say, however, whether the Trump campaign knowingly failed to report such hacking efforts or meetings with Russians discussing such efforts to the FBI or CIA. IOW, the report still paints a pretty bad picture that the Trump campaign allowed the Russians to meddle in the election, with the understanding (perhaps) that such meddling would probably benefit the Trump campaign.
Trump’s hands are not clean of this, no matter how much parsing of the English language Barr does.
re: #45 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Asked why Mueller isn’t here, given that it’s his report we’re discussing, Barr says, “No it’s not. It’s a report he did for me as the attorney general. He is required under the regulation to provide me with a confidential report. I’m here to discuss my response to that report.”
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
Last question: Don’t you think it creates an appearance of impropriety to look like you’re spinning the report before the public gets to see it?
Barr: “No.”— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) April 18, 2019
re: #48 ObserverArt
Barr getting a little touchy there. Yeah, he knows he is shoveling shit.
Keep on him press.
Oh look, the questions are over…that was rather fast.
Too many questions and the truth might come out.
re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth
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He got awful fucking touchy when giving that response. And immediately ended the presser.
I really hope Barr will be disbarred eventually. Such a disgraceful toady who obstructed another investigation to protect a GOP President. Trump tis the swamp and Barr is too.
Wish they had asked why he hadn’t requested the Court order release of the grand jury material.
re: #56 freetoken
So… all this ends with… more confusion.
That’s exactly what both Barr and Trump want. Confusion.
Barr acknowledges Russia tried to hack our election. Condemns Russia. Conveniently doesn’t mention Russia hacked our election to help Trump. @realDonaldTrump
— Brian J. Karem (@BrianKarem) April 18, 2019
Here is the uncomfortable truth for us all: enough of our fellow Americans are on board with Trump’s campaign of bigotry-inspired kleptocracy that it will be very very unlikely that Trump will get his just comeuppance.
re: #55 HappyWarrior
I really hope Barr will be disbarred eventually. Such a disgraceful toady who obstructed another investigation to protect a GOP President. Trump tis the swamp and Barr is too.
Truth is, Barr is doing what a personal lawyer should do - protect his client. Truth also is, that’s not his job. His job to represent the US Constitution and the people of the USA, which he is clearly failing at.
re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth
Is Rosenstein blinking in morse code yet?
Yes. Eyelids are spelling out “Trump cock holster.
Asked about his words that are “generous” to the president, Barr said, “The statements about his sincere beliefs are recognized in the report, that there was substantial evidence for that, so I’m not sure what your basis is for saying that I’m being generous to the president.”
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth
The rest of them want to believe it. Trump does believe it, which is one of the many problems with him.
re: #60 wrenchwench
HE DID THE REPORT FOR ME! MY report!
I’ll let you guys see it when I’m done coloring it.
FYI as legal analysists are saying now there is no crime called “Collusion.” AG Barr said this 6 times. https://t.co/KkJwLracdZ
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) April 18, 2019
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
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I just came here to post this same thing. Sweet Jesus he’s fucking insane.
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
He’s going to be like this for months now, like a middle school kid who just escaped punishment by the principal because there was no camera footage available of the vandalism he committed.
re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth
There’s also not a crime that says “It’s illegal to shoot Officer Bob.” But shooting Officer Bob is illegal.
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
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Oh it’s not over by a long shot. When Kamala or whoever beats you in 2020, you won’t have Barr and the DOJ to protect your sorry ass and you’re going to be in litigation until the day you finally die.
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
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Admitting it is a game Donny?
It is not over until you are out.
This presser seemed to be about trying to do what the letter failed: Hammer home repeatedly this idea that the Report totally “exonerates” Donny and there’s no point going further because there’s nothing to be found by digging deeper.
re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth
“I didn’t murder anyone! I just conveniently deprived them of oxygen for an extended period.”
re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
It’s like Dash in the Incredibles. He put the thumbtack on the teacher’s chair, and the camera caught a blur, but nothing concrete. Trump thinks this is an exoneration. Barr’s giving his all to further that notion, but the convictions, plea deals, and indictments show a completely different story.
re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
He’s going to be like this for months now, like a middle school kid who just escaped punishment by the principal because there was no camera footage available of the vandalism he committed.
“Evil, right wing Bart Simpson” is an apt description of Trump I’d say.
re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth
Malcolm Nance ✔
@MalcolmNance
FYI as legal analysists are saying now there is no crime called “Collusion.” AG Barr said this 6 times.
Everyone seems to be making a point of this and how it feeds into Trump saying it all the time.
Like Chuck Rosenberg just said on NBC…The reviews are in, but I wanna read the book.
re: #80 Eclectic Cyborg
“Evil, right wing Bart Simpson” is an apt description of Trump I’d say.
Nah Bart is actually a good kid in some ways.
re: #80 Eclectic Cyborg
“Evil, right wing Bart Simpson” is an apt description of Trump I’d say.
Did someone forget to check which side the scar is on?
re: #82 HappyWarrior
Nah Bart is actually a good kid in some ways.
Correct. Trump is his Evil right wing counterpart, sans goatee. :P
re: #79 lawhawk
It’s like Dash in the Incredibles. He put the thumbtack on the teacher’s chair, and the camera caught a blur, but nothing concrete. Trump thinks this is an exoneration. Barr’s giving his all to further that notion, but the convictions, plea deals, and indictments show a completely different story.
Right, and Barr’s careful language during the presser suggests there is damaging stuff in that report, just not any clear evidence of deliberate cooperation between Trump and the Russians to hack the election. If we take the meaning of collusion = Trump told the Russians to hack the election, then yeah, he’s exonerated. Even two-bit mafiosi are smart enough not to have a clear link between themselves and a hit job.
re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth
Donny Jr. held a meeting with Russian operatives to seek derogatory material on Secretary Clinton. How is that not cooperation?
re: #75 HappyWarrior
Oh it’s not over by a long shot. When Kamala or whoever beats you in 2020, you won’t have Barr and the DOJ to protect your sorry ass and you’re going to be in litigation until the day you finally die.
That brings up something I heard Lawrence O’Donnell say a couple weeks back.
The full Mueller Report and all of the evidence will come out. It may be after the election, but it will come out and it will be used politically.
re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg
Correct. Trump is his Evil right wing counterpart, sans goatee. :P
Trump actually reminds me of a gangster. The closest thing we’ve had to Gotti or Capone in the WH.
So when will the redacted report be available?
re: #87 ObserverArt
That brings up something I heard Lawrence O’Donnell say a couple weeks back.
The full Mueller Report and all of the evidence will come out. It may be after the election, but it will come out and it will be used politically.
I think that’s part of the reason why Donald Jr talks openly about running in 2024. Who better to continue to protect Trump’s Presidency than a Trump?
re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth
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This is the part in the trial where the defense attorney submits testimonials and newspaper clippings in as “evidence” about how his client while also calling up friends and colleagues to talk about how there’s no way that their best bud could ever do the things he’s been accused of.
re: #90 HappyWarrior
I think that’s part of the reason why Donald Jr talks openly about running in 2024. Who better to continue to protect Trump’s Presidency than a Trump?
If Trump Jr. becomes President I’m moving back to Canada.
re: #77 Targetpractice
This presser seemed to be about trying to do what the letter failed: Hammer home repeatedly this idea that the Report totally “exonerates” Donny and there’s no point going further because there’s nothing to be found by digging deeper.
And now it’s up to House Democrats to initiate impeachment proceedings, get the unredacted Mueller report and dig into the 10 episodes where Trump acted to obstruct the investigation. Democrats need to put Trump on the defense between now and next November.
re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg
If Trump Jr. becomes President I’m moving back to Canada.
I don’t blame you. I don’t think he will though.
re: #89 Eclectic Cyborg
So when will the redacted report be available?
Around 11 AM…or when Bill Barr and the two stiffs are back in their protected quarters away from any Democrats or press.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
I don’t blame you. I don’t think he will though.
Junior has zero charisma, and less brains than his old man.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
I don’t blame you. I don’t think he will though.
Nor do I, but then I didn’t think his father would become President either…
re: #96 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
Junior has zero charisma, and less brains than his old man.
Yep. The whole family are Fredos but Trump Jr is Fredo on steroids.
re: #97 Eclectic Cyborg
Nor do I, but then I didn’t think his father would become President either…
Yeah I know. I’m never going to get over that we elected him. Never.
I just realized that the ideal Russian ploy at this stage is over the next few month to reverse the polarity of their manipulation and to start supporting Sanders to win the nomination and election. They have pretty much compromised the GOP completely, so now time to play games with the other party and finish tearing the edifice down. And the Bernie-bro compliment will swallow this stuff wholeheartedly while I also suspect that the Sanders campaign will also be Trump-ish enough in trying to gain power to look the other way and take whatever they are given.
So far Barr has not succeeded in getting cable news to fill screen banners with “no collusion.”
— Lawrence O’Donnell (@Lawrence) April 18, 2019
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
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— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) April 18, 2019
(“are” would work just as well in the above sentence)
re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader
I just realized that the ideal Russian ploy at this stage is over the next few month to reverse the polarity of their manipulation and to start supporting Sanders to win the nomination and election. They have pretty much compromised the GOP completely, so now time to play games with the other party and finish tearing the edifice down. And the Bernie-bro compliment will swallow this stuff wholeheartedly while I also suspect that the Sanders campaign will also be Trump-ish enough in trying to gain power to look the other way and take whatever they are given.
Right, that’s Putin’s game. We have to be very wary of what comes out of the Sanders campaign.
Once the report becomes public, enterprising journalists (and prosecutors) are going to follow the leads contained therein.
From Barr’s summary, you would think that Mueller’s report makes no mention of the 7 members of Trump’s campaign who have been charged and have either pleaded guilty or are in jail, including for lying about their contacts with Russia
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) April 18, 2019
re: #103 HappyWarrior
Right, that’s Putin’s game. We have to be very wary of what comes out of the Sanders campaign.
Watch also for Jill Stein to try running again.
re: #104 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
Once the report becomes public, enterprising journalists (and prosecutors) are going to follow the leads contained therein.
Hell, I’M going to follow the leads contained therein.
He had all this time to make his little GoT tweet https://t.co/lyvz8jzqIH
— Laffy (@GottaLaff) April 18, 2019
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
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You know, this is an odd reaction for guy who has spent days freaking the fuck out over this report’s release.
OK, I have to go to bed now. Long day today. Long day tomorrow. See you all later!
re: #106 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
Watch also for Jill Stein to try running again.
Right. Or any other upstart “independent.”
Now that President @realDonaldTrump’s campaign press conference is over:
It’s time for Congress and the American public to see the #MuellerReport.— Chuck Schumer (@SenSchumer) April 18, 2019
Chris Wallace on Fox: “The Attorney General seemed almost to be acting as the counselor for the defense, the counselor for the president, rather than the Attorney General, talking about his motives, his emotions… Really, as I say, making a case for the president.”
— Michael M. Grynbaum (@grynbaum) April 18, 2019
It really does seem like America is now a sitting jury about to get the facts of the case to render a verdict on Trump.
But before everyone is read the judges notes, the procedures and are sequestered, the prosecutor, a friend of the guy on trial, enters to tell you all about the guy being really bummed he is on trial and he really is a good guy that got himself into a wee bit of trouble due to his ignorance of the law.
And the prosecutors expects us to find him not guilty because that is just how it is.
But hey, it’s up to you now.
re: #113 SteelPH
Exclusive preview of the redacted report:
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That’s the black & white version.
re: #109 Targetpractice
You know, this is an odd reaction for guy who has spent days freaking the fuck out over this report’s release.
Barr co-ordinated this. He’s trying to get the messaging out before the report hits. It’s all PR.
re: #109 Targetpractice
You know, this is an odd reaction for guy who has spent days freaking the fuck out over this report’s release.
My guess is Pea-brain asked his handlers if the report showed there was “collusion” and they said, no it didn’t, but there was other stuff in it that’s kinda bad for you … sir. So, he crows there’s no collusion but also is clearly worried about all that other stuff he doesn’t really understand too well. Remember, we are not dealing with a mental giant here.
re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #115 ObserverArt
If you watched that press conference and can’t understand its exclusive purpose was to coverup for Trump, I can’t help you
There was literally no other reason to hold the presser
He’s trying to establish a narrative before people read the report https://t.co/Cvwhac4w96— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) April 18, 2019
re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth
Agreed. Barr was not acting like an AG.
Since we’re talking about the next election, some thoughts:
A few things about @PeteButtigieg’s branding, because (ahem https://t.co/7KKj9qjzoO) indeed, I still have thoughts about political branding!https://t.co/0rlCS6azYp
— Lindsay Ballant (@lindsayballant) April 16, 2019
re: #113 SteelPH
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I see fat Trump’s prison suit.
re: #121 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam
Agreed. Barr was not acting like an AG.
That’s a feature, not a bug, in Trumpville.
VLADIMIR PUTIN DIRECTED RUSSIAN MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE ASSETS TO MANIPULATE AN AMERICAN ELECTION TO PUT DONALD TRUMP IN OFFICE. THIS IS THE DIRECT CONCLUSION OF THE US INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY, CONGRESS, AND THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION.
2/— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 18, 2019
THAT’S WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
THAT’S WHAT THE PRESS SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT’S WHAT CONGRESS SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT.
We were attacked, and our president benefited directly from that attack and continues to benefit from it.
THAT’S COLLUSION.
4/4— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 18, 2019
So “Game over”what the Right are going shout at ever-increasing volume whenever people start talking about the findings in the Mueller Report…
Also William Barr: The Russians attacked the United States and directly manipulated our election SPECIFICALLY TO PUT DONALD TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE. But, that’s cool. That’s fine. Russia has our best interests in mind. Conservatives are good, because we got what we wanted. Yay! https://t.co/v9hTW6ZBOs
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 18, 2019
I seem to remember Trump constantly saying “Wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia.” Well Trump’s own toady admits that Russia interfered in our election.
“Game Over”……Wait, where else have I seen that exact phrase tweeted this morning?
— Kevin Roberts (@ripkevinroberts) April 18, 2019
re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth
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And what’s sick is you know some wingnuts are thinking “Thank goodness for Russia and Putin for interfering on Trump’s behalf.”
Russia saw a weakness and exploited it.
To our great detriment.
re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth
Remember, Barr took his position because the Republicans in the Senate voted to put him in there.
Given that, there is no reason to believe that even if impeachment charges pass the House, even with good evidence, that the Senate will remove the President.
Here is the political task for the rest of our lives: make our elected officials accountable for their actions.
re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Russia saw a weakness and exploited it.
To our great detriment.
Yeah it’s called our white conservative population that couldn’t accept changes in our society and it’s also called our holier than thou lefties who are too full of themselves to admit they got played and played along with disinformation campaigns against the best chance to beat Trump.
re: #133 freetoken
Remember, Barr took his position because the Republicans in the Senate voted to put him in there.
Given that, there is no reason to believe that even if impeachment charges pass the House, even with good evidence, that the Senate will remove the President.
Here is the political task for the rest of our lives: make our elected officials accountable for their actions.
And we do that by nominating transparent men and women for our own positions. Our next nominee needs to be unlike Trump. Hint, that’s not Bernie.
My “sad violin” music bed will get a workout on today’s podcast. Trump’s emotional distress, etc. One of the great ironies of this era: it’s Trump and his disciples who are the real beta snowflakes.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
Here’s Barr’s prepared text from this morning. The obstruction section was noteworthy. https://t.co/5aIUIBpxUZ pic.twitter.com/rw429upsap
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
Breathe. This is exactly what we expected. Barr doing cover up. This is going to drag out. Even when the full report comes out the right will spin. The Senate republicans won’t convict no matter what comes out. The answer is the ballot box in 2020 and keep exposing until then.
This is the whole point of that presser. For an hour (at least), cable news is going to need something to play, as people excitedly tune in for the Mueller report. And for an hour, all there will be is Barr. https://t.co/2k7aF9bRXB
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) April 18, 2019
I saw Trump’s meme & I immediately thought it said COMB OVER.
re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth
But there’s going to be a lot of “But he didn’t say anything he hadn’t said before.” And hopefully a few others will act like Chris Wallace and point out Barr was not acting like the AG for America, but Trump’s attorney.
This is a total goatfuck.
This isn’t a briefing. It’s a full-throated defense of Trump.
Barr just admitted he disagreed with Mueller’s legal opinion on obstruction.— Angry Staffer (@AngrierWHStaff) April 18, 2019
Mueller is the guy to present the report. All else is bullshit.
re: #138 Old Liberal
Breathe. This is exactly what we expected. Barr doing cover up. This is going to drag out. Even when the full report comes out the right will spin. The Senate republicans won’t convict no matter what comes out. The answer is the ballot box in 2020 and keep exposing until then.
Precisely. Still keeping my powder dry. The presser won’t matter by even the nightly news shows. We’re way past that. There’s too much information already out and collated. The remaining real investigative journalists with platforms know what questions to ask. Mueller’s absence at the presser will matter because his first public testimony will be an enormous spectacle. Most Americans sadly couldn’t tell you who the Attorney General is.
tl;dr: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes.
GIVE THIS CHONKY BOI SOME SAUSAGES FROM THE BBQ https://t.co/wfHvyTZ62E
— darth™ (@darth) April 18, 2019
Does…anyone at that White House understand the significance of that song? https://t.co/IK9h8fOwNj
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) April 18, 2019
re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth
House Democrats need to drag Barr’s ass before a committee and pepper him with questions about that and other aspects of Trump’s obstruction. This is outrageous. His job is not to defend Trump as if he were a personal attorney for the President. His job is to defend the laws of the United States for all Americans.
re: #143 Unshaken Defiance
Mueller is the guy to present the report. All else is bullshit.
AND 23 ANGRY DEMOCRATS HOAX RUSSIA INVESTIGATION PRESIDENTIAL HARASSMENT!!!
How fucked up is Barr that he makes Sessions look ethical?
It is essential that Special Counsel Bob Mueller come before Congress and address the validity of his report that has been redacted and released. Is this the report he issued? (2/6)
— Gov. Bill Weld (@GovBillWeld) April 18, 2019
I resigned from the Justice Department in 1988 when I felt strongly that the actions of the Justice Department betrayed the confidence of the American people and threatened confidence in our institutions and rule of law. (4/6)
— Gov. Bill Weld (@GovBillWeld) April 18, 2019
I have known Bob Mueller for over 30 years and I have every confidence in his ability and his integrity.” (6/6) - BW #Weld2020
— Gov. Bill Weld (@GovBillWeld) April 18, 2019
Barr’s entire career has been as a “fixer” for the GOP. So he is being who he has always been.
heh
The smoke looks like it’s emerging from your gigantic ass. https://t.co/2OqQ6Z2jAL
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader
Barr’s entire career has been as a “fixer” for the GOP. So he is being who he has always been.
Yep. For a bunch of people who raged against “busienss as usual”, Trump just benefited from what Barr did for the Iran Contra people.
re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth
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He has no chance to primary Trump but I hope Weld can at least dent Trump by denying him unanimous renomination.
Didn’t we just do this a couple of weeks ago?
I’ll wager right now that Barr’s dog and pony show (with Rosenstein as the dog and the other dude as the pony) ain’t gonna move the needle. Just like last time.
If I were a true and honest Never Trumper, I’d put all my resources and influence behind Weld and then endorse the Dem nominee when Weld loses the nomination and then use the years after Trump loses to try to create something resembling an adequate conservative movement that isn’t Trump inspired.
re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I’ll pass on this. I can only hear NO COLLUSION so many times.
The Trump regime has gotten high off their own stash. They’re acting as if facts don’t matter, only the spin. “Alternative facts” and all. I don’t think it’ll hold up this time. Mueller’s report will be the primary text in black and white that they’ll get hammered on over and over again. I think they’ve trapped themselves because the report itself can only be so much worse than the “nothing to see here” claims of innocence.
Human nature comes into play. Tribal dynamics and such. It’s like a sports championship, or Mission Accomplished. Once you declare “game over” even your own side starts to wonder if you could’ve won bigger or spikes the ball. I think the couple of weeks of triumphalism from the MAGA tribe will have sapped their ability to handle what’s coming next - the real questions finally, based on and quoting the real report. Now the game actually begins.
This guy is a joke. I’d be embarrassed for him if he weren’t such a loathsome person. pic.twitter.com/wdpXFRshTS
— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) April 18, 2019
re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Barr’s language is ✌🏾stunningly emphatic✌🏾 about the findings.
I’m sure he used emphatic language when he covered up the Iran-Contra Affair too, you ding dong— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) April 18, 2019
re: #149 HappyWarrior
How fucked up is Barr that he makes Sessions look ethical?
Life is like Game of Thrones. Evil comes in a wide variety of forms. Sessions’ evil is different from but not lesser than Barr’s.
“FUCKING HELL, GRAHAM. what did i just say?” pic.twitter.com/ooKpfaFwLg
— Paul Bronks (@SlenderSherbet) April 18, 2019
re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth
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It’s certainly a weird world where the far left and far right are eager to clear the Trump campaign of any wrongdoing.
re: #162 Ferdinand
Life is like Game of Thrones. Evil comes in a wide variety of forms. Sessions’ evil is different from but not lesser than Barr’s.
That’s true.
re: #164 HappyWarrior
It’s certainly a weird world where the far left and far right are eager to clear the Trump campaign of any wrongdoing.
neither wants to piss off Putin
re: #159 Ferdinand
The Trump regime has gotten high off their own stash. They’re acting as if facts don’t matter, only the spin. “Alternative facts” and all. I don’t think it’ll hold up this time.
My observations of Trumpers tell me that exactly nothing will change.
And Trump has a complicit Republican Senate who are willing to let Trump burn down the country as long as their own power and wealth are untouched.
Trump drinking game - Do a shot every time he says NO COLLUSION!
I just confirmed this with Rudy Giuliani. So now it is clear that President Trump, the WH, and President Trump’s personal lawyers have known for a while what’s in the redacted Mueller Report while Congress and the public wait to see it. https://t.co/vpcSJoJtGf
— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) April 18, 2019
re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Actually, this is a very scary thought. What if instead of redacting parts of the Mueller report, Barr, under direction from Trump actually REWROTE parts of the report to paint Trump in a more favorable light? For any other politician, this would be firmly in tinfoil-hat territory, but this is the Trump White House we are talking about here, and there is absolutely nothing that I would say is beyond their machinations.
re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth
neither wants to piss off Putin
The far right I get. The far left I don’t.
re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg
Trump drinking game - Do a shot every time he says NO COLLUSION!
I value my liver, thank you very much.
re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth
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This btw as pointed out earlier is different than the Starr Report.
re: #170 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Actually, this is a very scary thought. What if instead of redacting parts of the Mueller report, Barr, under direction from Trump actually REWROTE parts of the report to paint Trump in a more favorable light? For any other politician, this would be firmly in tinfoil-hat territory, but this is the Trump White House we are talking about here, and there is absolutely nothing that I would say is beyond their machinations.
Nothing would shock me with this administration anymore.
re: #171 HappyWarrior
The far right I get. The far left I don’t.
The far left *is* convinced that the Democrats are as bad as the GOP. So they want to destroy both, or at least co-op the Democrats with their preferred candidate.
re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth
I didn’t know his lawyers were allowed to see the unredacted report.
re: #170 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Actually, this is a very scary thought. What if instead of redacting parts of the Mueller report, Barr, under direction from Trump actually REWROTE parts of the report to paint Trump in a more favorable light? For any other politician, this would be firmly in tinfoil-hat territory, but this is the Trump White House we are talking about here, and there is absolutely nothing that I would say is beyond their machinations.
If that’s the case, then Mueller better step the fuck up.
re: #170 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Actually, this is a very scary thought. What if instead of redacting parts of the Mueller report, Barr, under direction from Trump actually REWROTE parts of the report to paint Trump in a more favorable light? For any other politician, this would be firmly in tinfoil-hat territory, but this is the Trump White House we are talking about here, and there is absolutely nothing that I would say is beyond their machinations.
This is my concern too, but I have faith that Muellers people would promptly call that shit out if it happened.
re: #175 Feline Fearless Leader
The far left *is* convinced that the Democrats are as bad as the GOP. So they want to destroy both, or at least co-op the Democrats with their preferred candidate.
True but you would think that Putin’s state homophobia, hostility towards ethnic and religious minorities, and expansionist FP would be a turnoff. For perspective, there were plenty of Socialists that opposed the USSR.
re: #170 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Actually, this is a very scary thought. What if instead of redacting parts of the Mueller report, Barr, under direction from Trump actually REWROTE parts of the report to paint Trump in a more favorable light? For any other politician, this would be firmly in tinfoil-hat territory, but this is the Trump White House we are talking about here, and there is absolutely nothing that I would say is beyond their machinations.
Hopefully if this is the course underway someone with some integrity does something since this would simply be cover up piled on cover up. That will be discovered eventually, but the question is how long will it take.
re: #167 freetoken
My observations of Trumpers tell me that exactly nothing will change.
And Trump has a complicit Republican Senate who are willing to let Trump burn down the country as long as their own power and wealth are untouched.
Oh I’m sure Senate and House Republicans will ride the bomb all the way down a la Dr Strangelove. And Biff may even remain in office until January 2021.
But I think this saga has gotten bigger than politics, and that we may well crack the GOP down to the 27% crazification coalition from its 40%ish support today. While also stoking the passion and power of the majority opposition. Which seems about what it took for the accomplishments of the civil rights movement to take hold.
I’m more optimistic today than I was two weeks ago. We shall see.
re: #171 HappyWarrior
The far right I get. The far left I don’t.
There’s probably money involved. In the cases of Stein, Greenwald, and maybe even Sanders.
Outstanding debts are leverage. Ask Trump.
re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg
Trump drinking game - Do a shot every time he says NO COLLUSION!
You trying to kill off the Lizard Nation?
re: #181 Ferdinand
Oh I’m sure Senate and House Republicans will ride the bomb all the way down a la Dr Strangelove. And Biff may even remain in office until January 2021.
But I think this saga has gotten bigger than politics, and that we may well crack the GOP down to the 27% crazification coalition from its 40%ish support today. While also stoking the passion and power of the majority opposition. Which seems about what it took for the accomplishments of the civil rights movement to take hold.
I’m more optimistic today than I was two weeks ago. We shall see.
Here’s my thought. I think most people know how they’re going to vote in 2020. Trump isn’t going to have a 9/11 moment where he gains the trust of people who may not have trusted him before then. People know how they feel about Trump and from what I can gather most people don’t like it and want to give him a second term. I think most of the Dems running can beat Trump but to me what needs to happen is not only to beat Trump but to ensure that we don’t get a 2024 or 2028 situation where amnesia sets in and the holier than thous that do exist on our side forget why we need a Dem executive in the first place.
re: #182 makeitstop
There’s probably money involved. In the cases of Stein, Greenwald, and maybe even Sanders.
Outstanding debts are leverage. Ask Trump.
Of course.
re: #181 Ferdinand
My Facebook timeline tells me the closeted (and now some out-of-the-closet) bigots are still enamoured with Trump.
And even the non-troglodytes who are still clinging to the GOP (as in many of the so-called “purple” states like Iowa and Pennsylvania) do so because of local politics and that is not going to change quickly. To these folk, who may even admit that Trump is horrible on this or that aspect of being human, it is more important to not be a Democrat for some reason (often abortion.)
We need to defeat Trump, yes but we need to defeat the forces that made Trump possible. I don’t know what the next Dem president should do with Russia but I would do anything possible to weaken Putin’s presence where he’s grown stronger in the years since Trump took over. I would also like to give him a taste of his own medicine too.
re: #144 Ferdinand
Precisely. Still keeping my powder dry. The presser won’t matter by even the nightly news shows. We’re way past that. There’s too much information already out and collated. The remaining real investigative journalists with platforms know what questions to ask. Mueller’s absence at the presser will matter because his first public testimony will be an enormous spectacle. Most Americans sadly couldn’t tell you who the Attorney General is.
tl;dr: Wait until you see the whites of their eyes.
I think we were seeing the white of Rod Rosenstein’s eyes.
re: #186 freetoken
My Facebook timeline tells me the closeted (and now some out-of-the-closet) bigots are still enamoured with Trump.
And even the non-troglodytes who are still clinging to the GOP (as in many of the so-called “purple” states like Iowa and Pennsylvania) do so because of local politics and that is not going to change quickly. To these folk, who may even admit that Trump is horrible on this or that aspect of being human, it is more important to not be a Democrat for some reason (often abortion.)
The whole he’s a sob but he’s our sob. Yep, that’s what got many of them to vote for him over Clinton in the first place.
Right. Because that’s how it works. If you elect a gay person, literally everybody becomes gay. Just, gay, right there. Men, women, children, babies, pets, trees. Everybody, just gay gay gay all day. The whole nation. Gay.
Weird that it doesn’t work the other way though. https://t.co/h8WWzqtAJY— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) April 18, 2019
Best part of today is Barr heatshielding Rod Rosenstein around town like the wronged wife at his I’m so sorry presser.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 18, 2019
re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth
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MSNBC just quickly scrolled through the table of contents. Looks like EXACTLY ALL THE THINGS ANYONE READING LGF RELIGIOUSLY WOULD HAVE KNOWN ABOUT ALL ALONG.
Wish more people paid attention to what we already know here.
Baghdad Bill Barr AKA Brooks Brothers Bannon pic.twitter.com/U4YxWbQahv
— Basqueing Snark (@Basquerading) April 18, 2019
re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth
Greenwald isn’t going to cut his line to the only thing he has left in America…Fox News.
BREAKING: Mueller’s report reveals Trump’s efforts to seize control of Russia probe and force the special counsel’s removal. https://t.co/lCgaeyZiK6
— The Associated Press (@AP) April 18, 2019
Reload
Totally a dick move, totally not unexpected. There will be more. https://t.co/tMFMY1Femg
— 🦈DETodd🦈 (@DaveoutofAustin) April 18, 2019
re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth
Mueller’s report reveals Trump’s efforts to seize control of Russia probe and force the special counsel’s removal.
Barr better check the settings on his spin machine. Seems not to be working that well right now…
re: #175 Feline Fearless Leader
The far left *is* convinced that the Democrats are as bad as the GOP. So they want to destroy both, or at least co-op the Democrats with their preferred candidate.
Pretty much what I was going to say. The far left continues to believe deeply that the DNC is corrupted by “the establishment,” that Bernie would have won if Hillary had not “cheated,” and so her loss in 2016 was solely due to her being such a poor candidate.
For those who may not remember those immediate hours and days after Election Night ‘16, the far left was absolutely gleeful over the results because they believed it would be the “Come to Jesus” moment they’d been waiting for. That the DNC would see that “establishment” candidates like Hillary were losers and embrace Bernie’s style of “progressive” politics. Which is why when the initial questions about Russia’s involvement began, they joined the far right in asserting that it was “sour grapes” and that the whole “hoax” was an attempt by the Clinton campaign to make excuses.
The Mueller report says that the lies to Congress and to the special counsel from “several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign” “materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth
but no obstruction….
Of course the DOJ website is down. Fuck these people.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth
Translation: Trump and co did some really shady and likely illegal shit but we feel it would be hard to prove to an acceptable standard in a court of law.
re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth
My surprise, etc.
re: #200 Targetpractice
Pretty much what I was going to say. The far left continues to believe deeply that the DNC is corrupted by “the establishment,” that Bernie would have won if Hillary had not “cheated,” and so her loss in 2016 was solely due to her being such a poor candidate.
For those who may not remember those immediate hours and days after Election Night ‘16, the far left was absolutely gleeful over the results because they believed it would be the “Come to Jesus” moment they’d been waiting for. That the DNC would see that “establishment” candidates like Hillary were losers and embrace Bernie’s style of “progressive” politics. Which is why when the initial questions about Russia’s involvement began, they joined the far right in asserting that it was “sour grapes” and that the whole “hoax” was an attempt by the Clinton campaign to make excuses.
I think it’s also that they don’t want to admit that their disappointment with Bernie not being the nominee allowed them to be used. No one likes to admit being maniuplated and the far left in this country was willfully or not manipulated by Russian propaganda to see HRC as being no different or even in some cases worse than Trump. The people who push it like Greenwald? I think Greenwald’s motive is financial and I think he has a genuine hatred for the liberal establishment. Why that is in specific, I don’t know but he’s not doing this for ideological reasons. He’s doing it for Glenn Greenwald reasons.
NEW: Mueller wrote in his report that if his office had confidence that Trump clearly didn’t commit obstruction, “we would so state.” But Mueller wrote that based on the facts and legal standards, they were “unable to reach that judgment” https://t.co/g44EqTjeUv
— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) April 18, 2019
I’ve got the report downloaded from the link Zoe gives.
re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Yeah I think if Mueller was going to let Trump off the hook for obstruction, it would be pretty clear. A note to Trump and his lackeys but Nixon wasn’t done in by the Watergate Burglary itself, he was done in by covering up the fact that people in his inner circle knew and authorized it.
From Amee Vanderpool’s live tweet thread:
Barr says the Mueller Report “recounts 10 episodes involving the President and discussed potential legal theories for connecting those activities to the elements of an Obstruction offense.” 🔥
There it is. TEN separate times where Trump crossed the line at the very least. 13/— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) April 18, 2019
Obstruction. Even Barr admits it.
And now we know why Donny ordered Barr to hold this presser.
Mueller explains why he didn’t subpoena Trump to testify (C-2 appendix) pic.twitter.com/ou7v5K6Z1g
— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) April 18, 2019
re: #210 makeitstop
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Obstruction. Even Barr admits it.
But he was upset. //
First page of Mueller report:
“The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systemic fashion.”
Again, this is still something Trump largely refuses to admit happened at all: https://t.co/09umWamnz0— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) April 18, 2019
re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth
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That isn’t a legal conclusion. That’s a closing argument to the court of public opinion. It’s a emotional plea completely uncoupled from law or fact.
re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Translation: We weighed the cost of dragging his saggy ass in versus what we expected to get out of it…and decided it wasn’t worth it.
from page 9: “the investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign”
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) April 18, 2019
Well, we should just accept whatever AG Barr says because as we all know, the GOP has totally just accepted at face value without any pushback or opposition at all everything said by Democratic attorneys general like Eric Holder and Janet Reno.
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another link:
BREAKING: READ THE FULL REDACTED MUELLER REPORT. https://t.co/5Gqtms89Rh
— NBC News (@NBCNews) April 18, 2019
re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Exactly. And that’s something that every Democrat needs to bring up when this is discussed. Yeah we don’t know for sure whether Trump and his team actively conspired with the Russians but we do know that the Russians interfered in the election and guess what, Trump hasn’t acknowledged that once. And that definitely speaks to his credibility. IMO the reason why Mueller’s conclusions are incomplete is exactly because of the obstruction that even Barr acknowledges was done. The difference between my opinion and Barr’s is Barr believes it was okay for Trump to do what he did because he was upset and anyone who knows anything about anything knows that’s a load of shit.
“PERJURY TRAP! PERJURY TRAP! PERJURY TR…”
“We got what we needed from other sources and other testimony.”
“Wait, what just happened?”
“vindication” — pretty certain it doesn’t mean what the WH thinks it means…
White House after the release of the redacted Mueller report: “This vindication of the President is an important step forward for the country and a strong reminder that this type of abuse must never be permitted to occur again.”
— NBC News (@NBCNews) April 18, 2019
re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth
“vindication” — pretty certain it doesn’t mean what the WH thinks it means…
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Well a lot of them don’t know the law and the ones that do are too afraid to tell Trump the truth.
This tweet will age nicely:
No Collusion, No Obstruction, Complete and Total EXONERATION. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 24, 2019
re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth
“vindication” — pretty certain it doesn’t mean what the WH thinks it means…
What? I thought Baghdad Bob was dead.
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re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth
“vindication” — pretty certain it doesn’t mean what the WH thinks it means…
Well it’s not like DJT or Sarah read the Mueller Report.
From page 4 of the Obstruction section (page 216 of the PDF): Trump’s response to Mueller’s appointment: telling advisers it was “the end of his presidency” and demanding Jeff Sessions resign for allowing it to happen.https://t.co/ZKwnnJ1ymw pic.twitter.com/qtxv4MzjjW
— The Moscow Project (@moscow_project) April 18, 2019
— Crvfx (@crvfx) April 18, 2019
Mueller: Trump made a concerted effort to get Corey Lewandowski to get then-attorney general Jeff Sessions to limit the Mueller investigation to…preventing future election interference. pic.twitter.com/0kYkASGQ4i
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 18, 2019
re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Totally the behavior of someone who doesn’t have anything to hide///
Tell me again how this is “lightly redacted?”#BarrCoverUp pic.twitter.com/PgQgiEIaLg
— Steve Marmel (@Marmel) April 18, 2019
re: #187 HappyWarrior
We need to defeat Trump, yes but we need to defeat the forces that made Trump possible. I don’t know what the next Dem president should do with Russia but I would do anything possible to weaken Putin’s presence where he’s grown stronger in the years since Trump took over. I would also like to give him a taste of his own medicine too.
Way too early (and/or too optimistic) to start talking about post-Trump politics (we should definitely wait til that chicken has hatched before starting discussing recipes) - but one thing that should be kept in mind is that dealing with Putin will be a lot easier than dealing with the domestic political forces Trumpism has summoned up from the swamps.
Reviving/revamping our nation’s foreign policy is probably much the easier part, IMO: all the next President has to do (whatever the actual policies entail) is refrain from conducting our relations with the ROW on Trump’s program of insults, resentments, grandstanding and cheapjack posturing. Amazing what a little positive PR might be able to accomplish…
But on the domestic side, I think that no matter what the next Administration may be able to accomplish (which may be a considerable lot - and positive), it will have to come at the cost of alienating (still more) that 27% crazy-factor “fringe”. Who sadly, will
still be with us - and even more pissed off at not having “God’s Anointed” in the WH….
I just did a skim through the file. There are considerable redactions in Volume I, not so much so for the other volumes. Most of the redactions are classified as “harm to ongoing matter”.
re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg
I just did a skim through the file. There are considerable redactions in Volume I, not so much so for the other volumes. Most of the redactions are classified as “harm to ongoing matter”.
Ongoing matter likely refers to Manafort and Stone. But there are still ongoing investigations in the EDVA and SDNY.
re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth
Yeah strange initial reaction of investigation from someone TOTALLY VINDICATED BY MUELLER REPORT!
re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth
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re: #235 lawhawk
Ongoing matter likely refers to Manafort and Stone. But there are still ongoing investigations in the EDVA and SDNY.
That could include the kiddos too.
Literally the only thing on this entire page that’s not redacted is a definition of trolling … pic.twitter.com/0Riap35oJy
— Eric Mann (@EricMann) April 18, 2019
re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth
“vindication” — pretty certain it doesn’t mean what the WH thinks it means…
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“… a strong reminder that this type of abuse must never be permitted to occur again.”
What? The Mueller investigation, or the Trump campaign??
5 RULES FOR WHEN NEWS ABOUT MUELLER REPORT COMES OUT.
1. Believe only the text of the Report, not others’ characterizations of it. This WH in particular spins “up” as “down” (like the Nunes documents).— Neal Katyal (@neal_katyal) March 20, 2019
The immediate thing that stands out in Barr’s redacted Mueller report is that the official .pdf DOJ released isn’t text searchable. I’m sorry but that’s absolutely deliberate af.
It’s just bad faith all the way down with these assholes.— Harm to Ongoing Matter (@goddamnedfrank) April 18, 2019
re: #216 Targetpractice
Translation: We weighed the cost of dragging his saggy ass in versus what we expected to get out of it…and decided it wasn’t worth it.
Yeah, they knew he would continue to obstruct.
Oh wait…
re: #241 lawhawk
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Looks like Barr should have tap danced for a while longer.
The media, by and large, seems to be going straight for the points that completely contradict the White House spin.
They can scream ‘game over’ all they want. This ain’t over. Congressional subpoenas incoming…
re: #237 Targetpractice
So the White House that Barr just presented as giving all sorts of support to the investigation…spent the early days trying to shut it down and (failing that) limit its scope.
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
re: #246 makeitstop
Looks like Barr should have tap danced for a while longer.
The media, by and large, seems to be going straight for the points that completely contradict the White House spin.
They can scream ‘game over’ all they want. This ain’t over. Congressional subpoenas incoming…
“Game over” seems to be what they’re going for but the media thankfully to their credit isn’t going to let hat happen. I have a lot of qualms with the media but I really think there’s a lot of men and women in the media who want to do anything possible to properly scrutinize this administration in part due to the administration’s attacks on the free press.
re: #242 goddamnedfrank
“Trump is too smart and Congress is too dumb to make the document text searchable.”
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re: #179 HappyWarrior
True but you would think that Putin’s state homophobia, hostility towards ethnic and religious minorities, and expansionist FP would be a turnoff. For perspective, there were plenty of Socialists that opposed the USSR.
They’re authoritarians as well. If they have to obtain their power through less than honest means, well, the end justifies it.
re: #247 Sir John Barron
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
This is pretty accurate if you’re a Republican politician.
Why do white people redact on the 1 and 3?
— Harm to Ongoing Matter (@goddamnedfrank) April 18, 2019
I’d go so far as to say since it is now known Russia meddled in the election we must assume Trump is not a legitimate president based on the closeness in voting in key states and the fact that Clinton won the popular vote.
Whether caused by Trump or not, that election was rigged in his favor. That is established fact.
re: #252 goddamnedfrank
Nice nickname change. ;)
re: #246 makeitstop
Put simply, Congress must act on the obstruction actions, and move for impeachment and removal. That’s the conclusion of Mueller, and the only takeaway that matters. https://t.co/Xb5Fi5ctiP
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) April 18, 2019
There’s enough evidence in this report that Mueller says that it’s up to Congress to act.
That means that it’s up to Congress to impeach and consider removal. Let’s not dance around this. There are clear grounds for impeachment, and 10 acts of obstruction are 10 acts too many. One could argue that Mueller has lumped together multiple incidents to get to just 10, but even if you make that argument, Trump’s actions taken together constitute impeachable offenses (as I’ve long held).
Nothing in this report exonerates Trump in the slightest.
In fact, on the issue of conspiring with Russia, it couldn’t make definitive conclusions, but rather that Trump and his cronies were either too stupid or duped into benefiting from Russian interference? That’s damning with faint praise. You didn’t conspire because you were too stupid to realize what you’re doing? Ummm… conspiracy doesn’t work that way, but the obstruction as to what actually happened is the more easily proven path to impeachment.
So much about potential collusion with Russia - Trump Tower meeting, Wikileaks - is blacked out! This really is bullshit! pic.twitter.com/SphUU8DZF2
— Amy Siskind 🏳️🌈 (@Amy_Siskind) April 18, 2019
actually, it would appear that the Trump Tower meeting investigation is still happening.
re: #250 Belafon
They’re authoritarians as well. If they have to obtain their power through less than honest means, well, the end justifies it.
That’s very true. See the blip about Sanders supporters contenting themselves with the idea that Bernie could win the nomination with only 30% of the vote despite the fact that they think HRC who got a higher percentage of the popular vote against Bernie than Obama did against HRC 11 years ago “robbed” Bernie. They’re very undemocratic and they’re definitely willing to use undemocratic and unscrupulous means to get their far left vision. IMO you lose your ability to complain about closed primaries when you support more caucuses and the shenanigans that the Sanders campaign pulled 3 years ago and now.
The problem is that Congress won’t do shit. The House might, but the GOP senate will jump on grenades for Trump until the bitter end.
Reading pages 5-7 and I’m seeing an entire conga line of meetings and willing cooperation between the campaign and Russian officials culminating in Flynn/Kislyak sanction talk. Combined with Trump’s loyalty to Russia, how can this not be a series of quid pro quos?
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
Things people say when they are accused of something ridiculous that they absolutely did not do: “Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I’m fucked.” https://t.co/pLuErdXjM1
— Seth Cotlar (@SethCotlar) April 18, 2019
re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg
The problem is that Congress won’t do shit. The House might, but the GOP senate will jump on grenades for Trump until the bitter end.
Right, I think the House would impeach him but I’d be shocked if you could get any Republican in the Senate to vote to convict let alone the number we need. There aren’t any Congressional Republicans anymore like the ones that existed in Watergate.
re: #257 HappyWarrior
That’s very true. See the blip about Sanders supporters contenting themselves with the idea that Bernie could win the nomination with only 30% of the vote despite the fact that they think HRC who got a higher percentage of the popular vote against Bernie than Obama did against HRC 11 years ago “robbed” Bernie. They’re very undemocratic and they’re definitely willing to use undemocratic and unscrupulous means to get their far left vision. IMO you lose your ability to complain about closed primaries when you support more caucuses and the shenanigans that the Sanders campaign pulled 3 years ago and now.
In reference to that…
“26% of current Bernie Sanders supporters said that they would rather vote for President Donald Trump over Senator Elizabeth Warren, if that were the eventual 2020 matchup” — @Forbes
“🤮” — @JenaFriedman— Jena Friedman (@JenaFriedman) April 18, 2019
LOL drinking game? Starting at 7:30am on a Thursday, um workday. Stuck with this stone cold sober. First world-falling democracy problems.
re: #260 jaunte
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Yep. He knows he’s guilty and he’s been acting like a guilty man from the very start.
I’m only reading snippets of the report here and there, but this has a real chance to blow up in their faces spectacularly.
A stunning section. Mueller says that many Trump aides would not be charged with obstruction *because* they refused Trump’s orders to obstruct. The natural takeaway is Trump’s intent was to obstruct justice. Flies in the face of Barr’s claims. https://t.co/YNVCBOF68w
— Ian Sams (@IanSams) April 18, 2019
re: #262 gwangung
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Awful people. I’m not even peachy keen on Warren but Warren unlike Bernie has actually accomplished shit despite being in public office for a much shorter period of time. Bernie’s a left wing Trump. I stand by that.
Now that people have the report, Barr’s presser will only play on FOX.
re: #267 HappyWarrior
The more I see Warren speak on her policy proposals, the more I like her.
re: #268 Belafon
Now that people have the report, Barr’s presser will only play on FOX.
We know what Trump will be RTing.
Jesus, the snippets that are coming out are pretty damning.
Give this a few days and Trump’s approval numbers are going to tank.
I don’t think they’ve got enough spin to cover this. And I think the media might go in for a little score-settling at this point. One can hope.
re: #266 Stanley Sea
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re: #269 jaunte
The more I see Warren speak on her policy proposals, the more I like her.
I will say this about her. Warren has a plan to actually do shit. I guess I shouldn’t worry about her becoming a lightening rod of hatred to the right since I think whoever we nominate will be that man or woman but I worry that she may already be that but who knows, that may be to her advantage. I’m glad she’s running. She’s a doer. That’s more than you can say about the guy on his fifth President in Congress who still acts like he’s this outsider. If Bernie is an outsider in Washington, it’s because Bernie acts like his shit doesn’t stink.
re: #269 jaunte
The more I see Warren speak on her policy proposals, the more I like her.
At least she HAS policy proposals, unlike Buttigieg, who is deliberately not being forthcoming about specifics.
Unfortunately, I think Mayor Pete will be rewarded for it.
re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg
We now go live to the Fox News comment section on the Mueller Report…
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Delusion is a helluva drug. Dumb fools don’t know that Barr is the swamp and the swamp is why Trump won’t be forced out of office.
re: #273 HappyWarrior
Given the high degree of misogyny in the country, I’m not betting on her to be the one, but I hope she gets a cabinet position.
re: #266 Stanley Sea
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Well, it seems to me that some of those that refused to obstruct for Trump need to be heard from, especially Don McGahn. He was the lawyer and he would know more about all the obstruction efforts than anyone.
To me if they admit they were asked, then it is proof Trump tried to obstruct.
Of course, we all know this and have from the day he fired Comey…but these are witnesses to the obstruction attempt which is still obstruction whether carried out fully or not.
What is that smell? Why I think it is burning Trump…
re: #274 Eclectic Cyborg
We now go live to the Fox News comment section on the Mueller Report…
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A few Freepers have noticed there’s some stuff in there that doesn’t sound good, but not to worry. The Mueller Report is basically the prosecutor’s side of the story so it’s bound to sound bad. That’s why Trump’s lawyers have been given access so they can come up with a rebuttal.
This is the second sentence of the #MuellerReport that the Republican party desperately does not want you to see: “The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.” https://t.co/qSJoaoETVu
— Steve Silberman (@stevesilberman) April 18, 2019
re: #275 gwangung
At least she HAS policy proposals, unlike Buttigieg, who is deliberately not being forthcoming about specifics.
Unfortunately, I think Mayor Pete will be rewarded for it.
And you know what pisses me off is if he were a woman, he would be getting shit but he’s allowed to get away with being vague because he’s a guy. I like Mayor Pete. I do but I definitely think male politicians are allowed to get vague about their policy proposals in a way that woman politicians can’t. I’m still undecided and I think I will be until I get in the booth next winter but there’s definitely sexism that has benefited the Democratic men that are leading the field right now.
re: #277 jaunte
Given the high degree of misogyny in the country, I’m not betting on her to be the one, but I hope she gets a cabinet position.
Of the women running, the one I think that has the best chance honestly is Harris.
re: #134 HappyWarrior
Yeah it’s called our white conservative population that couldn’t accept changes in our society and it’s also called our holier than thou lefties who are too full of themselves to admit they got played and played along with disinformation campaigns against the best chance to beat Trump.
and the fact that our people are poorly educated, especially in the areas of history, government, civics & media matters, and cannot distinguish between a real person, a corporate entity and an Internet presence.
Anyone have a link to a searchable version yet?
William Barr is a polical hack in attorney general’s clothing.
It’s simply disgusting.— Ana Navarro-Cárdenas (@ananavarro) April 18, 2019
Baghdad Barr
A proposal:
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Barr today (paraphrased): “The decision to conclude that obstruction had occurred had nothing to do with DOJ policy barring indictment of a sitting president.”
Reality:
You know how Barr kept saying that Mueller’s decision “not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment” had “nothing” to do with DOJ’s policy against indicting a sitting president. That. Was. A. Flat-out. Lie. Here’s what Mueller said: pic.twitter.com/lvs5MyYCtS
— Elizabeth de la Vega (@Delavegalaw) April 18, 2019
re: #275 gwangung
At least she HAS policy proposals, unlike Buttigieg, who is deliberately not being forthcoming about specifics.
Unfortunately, I think Mayor Pete will be rewarded for it.
Now that Mayor Pete had officially entered he claims he will be putting out policy positions. He mentioned the other day that he needs to define what he is running on. Up until last weekend he was in ‘exploratory’ mode. We shall see.
Word searchable version of the Mueller report: https://t.co/IOBR89L0Zg pic.twitter.com/OsXcw9q3LZ
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) April 18, 2019
re: #285 Dave In Austin
Anyone have a link to a searchable version yet?
I got you!
Word searchable version of the Mueller report: https://t.co/IOBR89L0Zg pic.twitter.com/OsXcw9q3LZ
— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) April 18, 2019
re: #278 ObserverArt
Well, it seems to me that some of those that refused to obstruct for Trump need to be heard from, especially Don McGahn. He was the lawyer and he would know more about all the obstruction efforts than anyone.
To me if they admit they were asked, then it is proof Trump tried to obstruct.
Of course, we all know this and have from the day he fired Comey…but these are witnesses to the obstruction attempt which is still obstruction whether carried out fully or not.
What is that smell? Why I think it is burning Trump…
Sure seemed like the only reason Lewandowski didn’t do what Trump wanted was due to scheduling conflicts.
Destroying evidence definitely meets the bar for obstruction of justice.
This is pretty cut and dry grounds for impeachment. https://t.co/3XlRtyyoNu— Kaz Weida (@kazweida) April 18, 2019
re: #284 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
and the fact that our people are poorly educated, especially in the areas of history, government, civics & media matters, and cannot distinguish between a real person, a corporate entity and an Internet presence.
I don’t know if we’re less educated than the average country. The Brexit propaganda worked on the Brits and it’s worth nothing that unlike Brexit, more people (just not enough) people voted for Clinton over Trump. I think the Russians have discovered how to push people’s buttons. That’s the advantage of having a former spy as their commander. What I’m hoping is when we get rid of the Russian toady, we make Vlad’s life hell for him and he has to worry about retaining his own power rather than fucking around in our and our allies’ elections. And hopefully he’ll get his ass ousted.
re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg
Also, check out this banner ad for Fox Nation:
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Now, come on. Does THIS look like a dude who would ever, EVER sign up for Fox Nation?
He looks like the kind of guy that Fox Nation would scare their viewers about.
re: #295 HappyWarrior
He looks like the kind of guy that Fox Nation would scare their viewers about.
EXACTLY. smdh
re: #293 jaunte
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Yeah they obstructed justice. I think Mueller wants Congress to act on this. I hope Nancy and Chuck do because I think he did obstruct justice. It’s not “Game Over.” This may be as Winston said “the end of the beginning.”
re: #280 jaunte
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Russia wanted Trump to win. Trump knew what they were doing would benefit him. Yet, Trump et al did nothing.
re: #299 Mike Lamb
Russia wanted Trump to win. Trump knew what they were doing would benefit him. Yet, Trump et al did nothing.
Because Trump didn’t care. He wanted the Presidency at all costs and I’m sure the Russians had some dirt on him too.
First question to Mueller when he appears before Congress: “Given the evidence you collected and the testimony you heard, would you charge an ordinary citizen with obstruction of justice?”
Given what we’re seeing, the answer would be “Yes.”
re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth
Right. Because that’s how it works. If you elect a gay person, literally everybody becomes gay. Just, gay, right there. Men, women, children, babies, pets, trees. Everybody, just gay gay gay all day. The whole nation. Gay.
Dominionism: the belief that we enjoy God’s special favor as a nation because our laws embody (their bigoted, backwards and narrow-minded view of) God’s Divine Will
Allowing things that are (in their fundamentalist view) abominations unto God, such as abortion, homosexuality and socialized medicine are simply invitations for God to not only cancel our Most Favored Nation status, but to open up a big can of ass-smitin’ all over us.
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Of the women running, the one I think that has the best chance honestly is Harris.
She is second in donations to her campaign. She is doing well in her appearances. And she is under the media radar even though she is doing well. She is stronger than many want to admit. I expect her to be strong in debates as she does have that prosecutors background. I think she can eat Bernie’s lunch if given the chance.
re: #197 Dr Lizardo
So, I think I’m just gonna sit back and watch The Rockford Files, which sounds much better for this Thursday evening here in Europe.
He is nearly as popular as Columbo but not as popular as Magnum PI.
Trump’s campaign chairman handed a former KGB agent internal polling data including important data about the battleground states Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, which provided the extremely narrow electoral college win for Trump.
Huh.
Barr calls this “no collusion.”— digby (@digby56) April 18, 2019
re: #303 ObserverArt
She is second in donations to her campaign. She is doing well in her appearances. And she is under the media radar even though she is doing well. She is stronger than many want to admit. I expect her to be strong in debates as she does have that prosecutors background. I think she can eat Bernie’s lunch if given the chance.
I’d be down with a Harris/Duckworth ticket.
re: #293 jaunte
I want to ask these people if they think it’s enough for conviction.
re: #303 ObserverArt
She is second in donations to her campaign. She is doing well in her appearances. And she is under the media radar even though she is doing well. She is stronger than many want to admit. I expect her to be strong in debates as she does have that prosecutors background. I think she can eat Bernie’s lunch if given the chance.
Yeah she’s proving to be apt at fundraising. And I agree, I think she will impress at the debates. I expect her to emerge as the one that Bernie’s team will try to knee cap the most.
re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg
I’d be down with a Harris/Duckworth ticket.
I would too but I think two women especially two women of color is unlikely. I hate that because you would think nothing of two white guys on a ticket and indeed with the exception of Palin, that’s every GOP presidential ticket.
re: #179 HappyWarrior
True but you would think that Putin’s state homophobia, hostility towards ethnic and religious minorities, and expansionist FP would be a turnoff. For perspective, there were plenty of Socialists that opposed the USSR.
That’s “identity politics”.
The Bernie Bros only care about their tax rates, medicare for all, and other strictly $$$ issues.
re: #308 HappyWarrior
Barr is acting more like Trump’s defense attorney than the nation’s Attorney General. His press conference was a stunt, filled with political spin and propaganda.⁰ ⁰Americans deserve the unvarnished truth. We need Special Counsel Mueller to testify publicly in Congress.
— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) April 18, 2019
re: #86 Patricia Kayden
Donny Jr. held a meeting with Russian operatives to seek derogatory material on Secretary Clinton. How is that not cooperation?
Manafort gave the campaign’s private polling data to a Russian operative. How is that not cooperation?
re: #308 HappyWarrior
Yeah she’s proving to be apt at fundraising. And I agree, I think she will impress at the debates. I expect her to emerge as the one that Bernie’s team will try to knee cap the most.
Good luck with that. I don’t know much about Kamala, but I sense if you get her pissed off look out for the comebacks as they are going to be hot and hard. I get the feeling she can be light but when she needs to be strong she can be real strong.
re: #311 jaunte
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I really do like her the most of those who have consistently polled pretty high. I like the idea if she’s the nominee of pairing her with a Midwestern type.
re: #316 HappyWarrior
I really do like her the most of those who have consistently polled pretty high. I like the idea if she’s the nominee of pairing her with a Midwestern type.
Beto!
re: #315 ObserverArt
Good luck with that. I don’t know much about Kamala, but I sense if you get her pissed off look out for the comebacks as they are going to be hot and hard. I get the feeling she can be light but when she needs to be strong she can be real strong.
Yeah I don’t doubt that she’ll handle herself against the attacks. I just know they will be coming. I think she’s going to emerge as a top tier candidate and I’d argue she is at the top of those who are running for the first time. I’d put her ahead of Pete and Beto, both whom I like but I think Kamala is more qualified for the job.
re: #301 Targetpractice
First question to Mueller when he appears before Congress: “Given the evidence you collected and the testimony you heard, would you charge an ordinary citizen with obstruction of justice?”
Given what we’re seeing, the answer would be “Yes.”
It’s a weird kind of logical dilemma though where an ordinary citizen wouldn’t have been in the position to pull most of this bullshit and Trump gained legal immunity by virtue of the very position he abused.
re: #316 HappyWarrior
I really do like her the most of those who have consistently polled pretty high. I like the idea if she’s the nominee of pairing her with a Midwestern type.
Here is a take from out of the blue…
Harris Bennet
re: #294 HappyWarrior
I don’t know if we’re less educated than the average country. The Brexit propaganda worked on the Brits and it’s worth nothing that unlike Brexit, more people (just not enough) people voted for Clinton over Trump. I think the Russians have discovered how to push people’s buttons.
The British, save for the people who attend private schools (which they call “public schools”) are even more clueless than our American masses.
And the new media are so new and foreign to most of us that the only ones who fully grasp them are only just coming into voting age…
re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg
Also, check out this banner ad for Fox Nation:
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Now, come on. Does THIS look like a dude who would ever, EVER go on Fox Nation?
Did Diamond or Silk have a sex change operation?
Super fucking comforting that an ordinary citizen would have been charged and Trump seems to have only gained legal immunity by virtue of the very position he abused.
— Harm to Ongoing Matter (@goddamnedfrank) April 18, 2019
re: #322 ObserverArt
Here is a take from out of the blue…
Harris Bennet
I’d like to learn more about Bennet. I was actually thinking and I know you just re-elected him and you don’t want to lose him but Sherrod Brown. I’m interested in someone who could help us regain ground in staets we lost in 2016 but without dismissing what’s important to our base. Your Senator Brown has the blue collar message down without dismissing PoC, women, and immigrants and I admire him deeply for it. And I have no doubt that he would be great next to Pence but as I said Mayor Pete, Beto, or someone else could work too.
If ordinary people could use these defences to avoid prosecution there’d be nobody in jail.
-I’m too stupid to be a criminal.
-I knew the car was stolen, but I didn’t steal it myself.
-I didn’t even know there was a law against driving stolen cars.— Danny Boy (@Care2much18) April 18, 2019
re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg
Now, come on. Does THIS look like a dude who would ever, EVER sign up for Fox Nation?
I am sure that you could find him in a Shutterstock search…
re: #326 goddamnedfrank
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That to me is the most maddening thing about all this. Trump employed shady methods to obtain the Presidency which now protects him from being punished for obstructing investigation into the shady methods that got him elected President. That’s not right IMO.
When Trump learned he was personally being investigated, he began encouraging witnesses not to cooperate and secretly trying to control the investigation.
That is what it is. pic.twitter.com/Paz9LabGuN— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) April 18, 2019
re: #331 jaunte
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That’s obstruction of justice. If Trump were anyone other than the President, Mueller would be prosecuting him right now.
re: #327 HappyWarrior
I’d like to learn more about Bennet. I was actually thinking and I know you just re-elected him and you don’t want to lose him but Sherrod Brown. I’m interested in someone who could help us regain ground in staets we lost in 2016 but without dismissing what’s important to our base. Your Senator Brown has the blue collar message down without dismissing PoC, women, and immigrants and I admire him deeply for it. And I have no doubt that he would be great next to Pence but as I said Mayor Pete, Beto, or someone else could work too.
Remember this passionate speech? It made me very aware of Bennet. It shows to me he has some of that same Midwest type sensibility. He is moderate, etc. I think he would make a fine VP as he would be a great backup/protector. This speech convinced me of that.
He may still announce as a presidential candidate yet too.
“Speak softly and carry a big stick.” - Teddy Roosevelt
“The only thing we have to fear is fear itself” - FDR
“Ask not what your country can do for you ….” - JFK
“I’m fucked.” - Donald Trump— Ward Q. Normal (Lightly Redacted) (@WardQNormal) April 18, 2019
re: #333 ObserverArt
Remember this passionate speech? It made me very aware of Bennet. It shows to me he has some of that same Midwest type sensibility. He is moderate, etc. I think he would make a fine VP as he would be a great backup/protector. This speech convinced me of that.
He may still announce as a presidential candidate yet too.
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I do. I just want to learn more about him and his policy interests.
re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Dominionism: the belief that we enjoy God’s special favor as a nation because our laws embody (their bigoted, backwards and narrow-minded view of) God’s Divine Will
Allowing things that are (in their fundamentalist view) abominations unto God, such as abortion, homosexuality and socialized medicine are simply invitations for God to not only cancel our Most Favored Nation status, but to open up a big can of ass-smitin’ all over us.
Now ask them why God seems perfectly delighted that Israel allows, even encourages, such things.
re: #303 ObserverArt
She is second in donations to her campaign. She is doing well in her appearances. And she is under the media radar even though she is doing well. She is stronger than many want to admit. I expect her to be strong in debates as she does have that prosecutors background. I think she can eat Bernie’s lunch if given the chance.
California has TRUCKLOADS of convention delegates.
Love or hate social media, you have to admit that it has its uses. Such as allowing thousands/millions of people to pick through a 400+ page report in real time and plastering the relevant portions of them out to the public instead of forcing us all to wait on the press to decide what we can and can’t see.
They decided Trump Jr., Kushner and Manafort were too dumb to know they were acting illegally and that is why they weren’t charged?
Meanwhile, a Texas woman is doing 8 years in prison for voting illegally while she thought she was doing so legally. https://t.co/MlVTObFfIw— Jennifer Hayden (@Scout_Finch) April 18, 2019
re: #337 sagehen
California has TRUCKLOADS of convention delegates.
Yeah, but Democrats distribute them proportionally, though I do expect her to win the lions share.
The House Intelligence Committee has formally invited Special Counsel Mueller to testify on the counterintelligence investigation.
After a two year investigation, the public deserves the facts, not Attorney General Barr’s political spin. pic.twitter.com/PWIXvl7MLv— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) April 18, 2019
re: #275 gwangung
At least she HAS policy proposals, unlike Buttigieg, who is deliberately not being forthcoming about specifics.
Unfortunately, I think Mayor Pete will be rewarded for it.
I see a Log Cabin Republican in Mayor Pete. He is not among those I would consider primary voting for.
re: #334 jaunte
Re: Donald Trump.
In the sacred words of Bachman Turner Overdrive:
“Here’s something that you never gonna forget
B-b-b-baby, you just ain’t seen n-n-nothin’ yet”— 🐄 Teo 🐄 (@Teukka72) April 18, 2019
re: #336 sagehen
Now ask them why God seems perfectly delighted that Israel allows, even encourages, such things.
Well, AFAIK, the real answer is that in their particular/peculiar “worldview”, “Israel” is less an actual state/country with actual people and actual laws, than an abstract concept; and whose people are also - mostly - slated for the Big Cosmic Incinerator when the Last Day dawns (or sets, or whatever). So in the meantime, whatever “abominations” the State tolerates may be Evil, but ultimately irrelevant.
re: #330 HappyWarrior
That to me is the most maddening thing about all this. Trump employed shady methods to obtain the Presidency which now protects him from being punished for obstructing investigation into the shady methods that got him elected President. That’s not right IMO.
benefiting from the crime that got him there.
i’ve been saying this since day 1
- it’s faint comfort to know this was not some premeditated machievellian scheme
- they just cluelessly fell into it
re: #290 ObserverArt
Now that Mayor Pete had officially entered he claims he will be putting out policy positions. He mentioned the other day that he needs to define what he is running on. Up until last weekend he was in ‘exploratory’ mode. We shall see.
Needs moar focus groups to tell him what to say.
re: #346 allegro
Needs moar focus groups to tell him what to say.
As we all know, Warren released all of her policy positions on day one. //
Please don’t go the Brian J. route with respect to Pete.
The Qwazy Q’s posting that the redactions cover up Hillary’s crimes…
re: #331 jaunte
Mueller explicitly rejects the dumb “things Trump did publicly can’t be obstruction” argument:
“many of the President’s acts directed at witnesses…took place in public view…no principle of law excludes public acts from the reach of the obstruction laws”
remember way back when while this nonsense was going on and we were all hoping mueller was paying attention?
he was.
re: #342 allegro
I see a Log Cabin Republican in Mayor Pete. He is not among those I would consider primary voting for.
Really? I’m not seeing that with him. What specifically?
re: #341 jaunte
The House Intelligence Committee has formally invited Special Counsel Mueller to testify on the counterintelligence investigation.
After a two year investigation, the public deserves the facts, not Attorney General Barr’s political spin.
Patience. Everybody.
re: #346 allegro
Needs moar focus groups to tell him what to say.
I can see you are not a Mayor Pete fan. Is he a little too perfect and pat?
He does seem to be a boy scout.
I heard someone the other day say he is perfect for women!
That made me cringe.
5? The Overton Window of low expectations.
— Harm to Ongoing Matter (@goddamnedfrank) April 18, 2019
re: #350 Man, DangerMan
remember way back when while this nonsense was going on and we were all hoping mueller was paying attention?
he was.
Whatever else, lots of material for Democratic campaign ads.
re: #348 Joe Bacon 🌹
The Qwazy Q’s posting that the redactions cover up Hillary’s crimes…
Hillary and Bill have already been arrested and shipped to Gitmo.
Everything else is a lie.
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re: #353 ObserverArt
I can see you are not a Mayor Pete fan. Is he a little too perfect and pat?
He does seem to be a boy scout.
I heard someone the other day say he is perfect for women!
That made me cringe.
See what I like about the guy is he seems to be very intellectually curious. I like that in a person and President. I do agree with the criticisms that he’s been a little too vague about what his specific plans are though. But I just disagree with him seeming LCR. He’s more religious than I am but I think it’s nice to see an openly gay politician that is religious because the religious right and Pence is a big part of this bullshit that LGBT people hate Christianity and Christians. Yeah I’m sure there are LGBT people who do have a problem with Christianity but I’m a straight person who has problems with it too.
Manafort gave the GRU proprietary internal polling data on Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania —the states that won the presidency for Trump— with the obvious intention of focusing the IRA/GRU attacks on those battlegrounds. Trump is president because of Russia.
— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) April 18, 2019
re: #354 goddamnedfrank
Nate is very much about the magic mean.
re: #357 GlutenFreeJesus
MAGA POTUS will certainly yell at him for forgetting it.
Betty Cracker has the relevant parts that really do indicate that if the GOP cared about the country, they would be backing impeachment and conviction. I can’t copy the image over because of work.
BREAKING: In report, Mueller says he did not clear Pres. Trump on obstruction of justice: “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.” abcn.ws
This is exactly why we need to hear directly from Special Counsel Mueller and receive the full, unredacted report with the underlying evidence. pic.twitter.com/8nqoUWHjpI
— (((Rep. Nadler))) (@RepJerryNadler) April 18, 2019
re: #363 Man, DangerMan
BREAKING: In report, Mueller says he did not clear Pres. Trump on obstruction of justice: “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.” abcn.ws
Redacted “If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.” abcn.ws
so there
re: #362 Belafon
Betty Cracker has the relevant parts that really do indicate that if the GOP cared about the country, they would be backing impeachment and conviction. I can’t copy the image over because of work.
i clicked on your link and there’s someone over there commenting called “the dangerman”
who the hell is that? ;-)
I’m actually pretty stunned that Barr even did the presser at this point.
It’s clear that the spin did not work. All he did was stick his head up above the barricades, and now everybody gets to take (metaphorical) shots.
He got one chance to spin this shit. And we get unlimited opportunities to spin it back.
re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg
Also, check out this banner ad for Fox Nation:
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Now, come on. Does THIS look like a dude who would ever, EVER sign up for Fox Nation?
He’s on “The Five.” I have no idea who he is, but I’ve seen him as I scroll through channels.
re: #367 makeitstop
I’m actually pretty stunned that Barr even did the presser at this point.
It’s clear that the spin did not work. All he did was stick his head up above the barricades, and now everybody gets to take (metaphorical) shots.
He got one chance to spin this shit. And we get unlimited opportunities to spin it back.
And now he has committed Obstruction Of Justice that the whole world saw.
re: #355 Sir John Barron
Whatever else, lots of material for Democratic campaign ads.
i know there are tremendous opportunities for creative people
my favorite would be simply:
“I’m Fucked”
it’s clear, concise, accurate, true, and let the media try and report on it
(it might even be the ny daily news front page tomorrow)
re: #367 makeitstop
He convinced Chuck Todd that “this is a political win for the President.”
re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader
I just realized that the ideal Russian ploy at this stage is over the next few month to reverse the polarity of their manipulation and to start supporting Sanders to win the nomination and election. They have pretty much compromised the GOP completely, so now time to play games with the other party and finish tearing the edifice down. And the Bernie-bro compliment will swallow this stuff wholeheartedly while I also suspect that the Sanders campaign will also be Trump-ish enough in trying to gain power to look the other way and take whatever they are given.
During his career, Sanders has been pro-Putin in his Senate votes. Look the other way? he would be actively encouraging this.
re: #306 Eclectic Cyborg
I’d be down with a Harris/Duckworth ticket.
Honestly, I think Duckworth would be better remaining a Senator.
Now a Harris/Baldwin ticket would be good.
re: #294 HappyWarrior
I don’t know if we’re less educated than the average country. The Brexit propaganda worked on the Brits and it’s worth nothing that unlike Brexit, more people (just not enough) people voted for Clinton over Trump. I think the Russians have discovered how to push people’s buttons. That’s the advantage of having a former spy as their commander. What I’m hoping is when we get rid of the Russian toady, we make Vlad’s life hell for him and he has to worry about retaining his own power rather than fucking around in our and our allies’ elections. And hopefully he’ll get his ass ousted.
The EC poisons everything; Hillary could have received 65% of the votes and still lost if they weren’t in the right states. It has nothing to do with receiving “enough” votes but enough states.
re: #371 jaunte
He convinced Chuck Todd that “this is a political win for the President.”
Chuck Todd is every bit as stupid and credulous as any rando Red Hat. Screw that guy.
- the investigation established multiple links between Trump campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government
- including Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign
- In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away.
and yet zero times did any of these upright, patriotic ‘officials’ report anything to the FBI or anyone else.
re: #367 makeitstop
I’m actually pretty stunned that Barr even did the presser at this point.
It’s clear that the spin did not work. All he did was stick his head up above the barricades, and now everybody gets to take (metaphorical) shots.
He got one chance to spin this shit. And we get unlimited opportunities to spin it back.
“Hi, my name’s Bill Barr. I’m retired but I was an AG in the first Bush Administration, which might cause you to view me with some sense of regard, which I’m going to smash all to bits by coming to work for president Orange Face. Fact is, I just really hate my kids and want them to be saddled with this my final act of shutgrubbery.”
re: #375 makeitstop
Chuck Todd is every bit as stupid and credulous as any rando Red Hat. Screw that guy.
I saw him say that this morning, and I had to turn the set off.
re: #374 Hecuba’s daughter
The EC poisons everything; Hillary could have received 65% of the votes and still lost if they weren’t in the right states. It has nothing to do with receiving “enough” votes but enough states.
I know. That’s exactly the problem with the system.
Speaking of indictments:
Richard Quinn Sr., a legendary S.C. Republican consultant was indicted Thursday by a state grand jury on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice…
Quinn, 74, has helped the careers of Republicans Gov. Henry McMaster, U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham and Attorney General Alan Wilson, to name a few well-known S.C. politicians.
Have we gotten to the Junior meeting with the Russkies at Trump Tower part of the report yet? And the lies to cover that up?
re: #373 William Lewis
Honestly, I think Duckworth would be better remaining a Senator.
Now a Harris/Baldwin ticket would be good.
There is no way an all-female ticket could win in modern America. A woman of color balanced by a traditional white male like Bennett would be very competitive.
As others have said, I think Mayor Pete might be aiming for Indiana governor and this race will definitely boost his profile.
On Nov 9, 2016, someone wrote to the head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund Kirill Dmitriev that “Putin has won.” We don’t know who wrote that because it’s redacted. pic.twitter.com/egT08AeQQ6
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) April 18, 2019
re: #377 Sir John Barron
“Hi, my name’s Bob Barr. I’m retired but I was an AG in the first Bush Administration, which might cause you to view me with some sense of regard, which I’m going to smash all to bits by coming to work for president Orange Face. Fact is, I just really hate my kids and want them to be saddled with this my final act of shutgrubbery.”
Bill Barr. Bob Barr is the former House Republican turned Libertarian.
re: #384 HappyWarrior
Bill Barr. Bob Barr is the former House Republican turned Libertarian.
Thank you for the correction.
Hey, I finally got around to starting to read the biography of HHH. Interesting he went to grad school at LSU where he saw segregation up front.
Shocked https://t.co/Xvv39JNZyM
— Sam Stein (@samstein) April 18, 2019
Could Sarah Sammich be charged with obstruction, too?
- the president, directing his aides to do illegal things, is most likely in violation of the law
- even if the aides chose not to carry out his orders
- that seems to be the conclusion of ‘legal analysts’: the person issuing the illegal orders is guilty whether the orders are carried out or not.
- and once again, as I just said in 376, NOT ONE OF THEM TOLD ANYBODY and nobody quit on the spot.
Outcute me. Not quite purring raven, enjoying him-/herself :)
re: #371 jaunte
He convinced Chuck Todd that “this is a political win for the President.”
Chuck U remains true to his Presstituting form!
What are the odds Trump now tries to start a war somewhere as a distraction.
re: #353 ObserverArt
I can see you are not a Mayor Pete fan. Is he a little too perfect and pat?
He does seem to be a boy scout.
I heard someone the other day say he is perfect for women!
That made me cringe.
No, I am not. First, he is not qualified to leap from small city mayor to president. That he believes that he is speaks to me of narcissistic privileged white guy arrogance that I am sick to fucking death of. Yeah, admitted bias there.
Much more than that though, is not what he says but what he DID as mayor, his priorities. He did some (arguably) good stuff in revitalizing but much of it at the expense of poor POC, fining them thru code violations that cost them their homes.
His focus even now appears to be WWC, too much like Bernie, as evidenced not only by what he says frequently but by his interest in a Fox news town hall. Frankly, any Dem candidate who does this is disqualified to me. Too many people for too many years have spent thousands of hours of their time to diminish Fox destructive influence by going after its advertisers, successfully so, to see it all undone by Dems now. This is a flat-out okay to advertisers to return and a fuck you to dedicated Dems.
That’s a start.
re: #385 Sir John Barron
Thank you for the correction.
Hey, I finally got around to starting to read the biography of HHH. Interesting he went to grad school at LSU where he saw segregation up front.
Cool deal! I’m going to tackle that soon. I’m reading a DaVinci bio and Honus Wagner bio right now. I had no idea that HHH went to grad school at LSU and yeah that definitely would have impacted anyone who was unfamiliar with it.
re: #390 jaunte
What are the odds Trump now tries to start a war somewhere as a distraction.
Have we gotten to the TRUMP TOTALLY VINDICATED part of the report yet?
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re: #374 Hecuba’s daughter
The EC poisons everything; Hillary could have received 65% of the votes and still lost if they weren’t in the right states. It has nothing to do with receiving “enough” votes but enough states.
i wonder what the least number of states to win the ec by one and lose the popular vote by 5m or even 10m would be (if it’s possible at all)
i wonder if anyone’s done it as an exercise
re: #391 allegro
No, I am not. First, he is not qualified to leap from small city mayor to president. That he believes that he is speaks to me of narcissistic privileged white guy arrogance that I am sick to fucking death of. Yeah, admitted bias there.
Much more than that though, is not what he says but what he DID as mayor, his priorities. He did some (arguably) good stuff in revitalizing but much of it at the expense of poor POC, fining them thru code violations that cost them their homes.
His focus even now appears to be WWC, too much like Bernie, as evidenced not only by what he says frequently but by his interest in a Fox news town hall. Frankly, any Dem candidate who does this is disqualified to me. Too many people for too many years have spent thousands of hours of their time to diminish Fox destructive influence by going after its advertisers, successfully so, to see it all undone by Dems now. This is a flat-out okay to advertisers to return and a fuck you to dedicated Dems.
That’s a start.
That’s definitely fair especially about going from small town mayor to POTUS. I have to admit. It does bug me that he’s gotten tons of focus while Julian Castro who was mayor of a large city and was in charge of a cabinet department gets no attention. And you are right about the woe is me stuff for the WWC. That does rub me the wrong way too. And I wasn’t aware of that stuff that happened during his mayoralship so thanks. I’m not committed to anyone running so I’m open to anyone’s observations good or bad of those running.
re: #396 HappyWarrior
That’s definitely fair especially about going from small town mayor to POTUS. I have to admit. It does bug me that he’s gotten tons of focus while Julian Castro who was mayor of a large city and was in charge of a cabinet department gets no attention. And you are right about the woe is me stuff for the WWC. That does rub me the wrong way too. And I wasn’t aware of that stuff that happened during his mayoralship so thanks. I’m not committed to anyone running so I’m open to anyone’s observations good or bad of those running.
His whole ‘We have to empathize with Trump voters’ thing was an immediate dealbreaker. Immediate.
I’m in no mood to empathize with a bunch of shitheels who would toss me into a concentration camp if they had their way.
I don’t really think victory laps by the media are justified here. https://t.co/fn7eXsN8BK
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 18, 2019
let us never forget this slam dunk of a front page pic.twitter.com/YThv0G7nTI
— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) April 18, 2019
re: #394 Man, DangerMan
i wonder what the least number of states to win the ec by one and lose the popular vote by 5m or even 10m would be (if it’s possible at all)
i wonder if anyone’s done it as an exercise
The only election I know of where there wasn’t fishy business where the candidate who lost the PV but won the EC was 1888 with Harrison and Cleveland and Cleveland won his famous non-consecutive second term four years later anyhow. The others: 1824, 1876, and 2000 were full of fishy shit.
re: #397 makeitstop
His whole ‘We have to empathize with Trump voters’ thing was an immediate dealbreaker. Immediate.
I’m in no mood to empathize with a bunch of shitheels who would toss me into a concentration camp if they had their way.
Yeah I notice that it’s a certain type of candidate that does that- the white guys. The women and especially the candidates of color don’t do that shit. They don’t go out and attack the Trump voters but they don’t try to portray them as victims who got conned by Trump either and suggest we should try to bring them into the fold. I’m for maximizing our base and bringing in new voters.
re: #400 HappyWarrior
Yeah I notice that it’s a certain type of candidate that does that- the white guys. The women and especially the candidates of color don’t do that shit. They don’t go out and attack the Trump voters but they don’t try to portray them as victims who got conned by Trump either and suggest we should try to bring them into the fold. I’m for maximizing our base and bringing in new voters.
I give Pete B some credit for attacking the pseudo-Christians like Pence and his supporters. We need churchgoing Christian believers to lead the pushback on what those bastards have done to that religion
re: #401 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I give Pete B some credit for attacking the pseudo-Christians like Pence and his supporters. We need churchgoing Christian believers to lead the pushback on what those bastards have done to that religion
Yeah I do appreciate that. As I said, I like Mayor Pete but I understand allegro’s critique too. I just get tired of hearing about woe is the working class white especially the whtie working class white male. I hate to sound dismissive but those guys aren’t going back to us. They left the Democratic coalition first when Nixon race baited them and really started leaving when Reagan did it. And then they left even more when Trump did. I’d rather focus on maximizing our coalition and trying to bring in people who haven’t voted before either due to age, citizenship, and interest.
Not sure which I find a funnier mental image:
That Donny is sitting at the White House, still with a big shit-eating grin on his face because he believes that Barr totally hit it out of the park this morning and the public believes he’s been exonerated…
Or that he’s currently in danger of popping a blood vessel as he screams at anybody who will listen that he never should have let Barr agree to release the report, that he should have fired Mueller when he had the chance, and threatening vengeance on everybody who “ratted him out.”
re: #404 Targetpractice
Not sure which I find a funnier mental image:
That Donny is sitting at the White House, still with a big shit-eating grin on his face because he believes that Barr totally hit it out of the park this morning and the public believes he’s been exonerated…
Or that he’s currently in danger of popping a blood vessel as he screams at anybody who will listen that he never should have let Barr agree to release the report, that he should have fired Mueller when he had the chance, and threatening vengeance on everybody who “ratted him out.”
Both, of course.
re: #398 jaunte
Again and again and again and again, Mueller report is confirming the accuracy (in great detail) of stories by The NYT and WashPost, as reporters helped inform the public of the events related to the investigation in real time.
if you mean you accurately reproduced all of trumps tweets and quotes, then sure
re: #404 Targetpractice
Not sure which I find a funnier mental image:
That Donny is sitting at the White House, still with a big shit-eating grin on his face because he believes that Barr totally hit it out of the park this morning and the public believes he’s been exonerated…
Or that he’s currently in danger of popping a blood vessel as he screams at anybody who will listen that he never should have let Barr agree to release the report, that he should have fired Mueller when he had the chance, and threatening vengeance on everybody who “ratted him out.”
We will know soon enough. Certainly the Trumpers want to believe this is Story A where Trump is in the clear and Barr did his job as AG. But I suspect the reality is B because Trump knows that the Dems want Mueller to testify and I don’t think there’s anything Barr can do to prevent that.
The Mueller Report says @PressSec told investigators that her remarks in response to this question on May 10, 2017 “were not founded on anything.” https://t.co/UBTOcp7HeB
— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) April 18, 2019
no shit.
The trumpsters on my fakebook are gloating and calling Dems delusional.
I’m seriously considering quitting politics.
re: #408 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO
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no shit.
And yet, the press won’t change their approach to SHS. Because you goddamn well know it’s not the only time she’s done that.
How long before Trump claims that the Mueller team lied in the report?
re: #408 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO
“Countless,” just another word for zero.
re: #409 plansbandc
The trumpsters on my fakebook are gloating and calling Dems delusional.
I’m seriously considering quitting politics.
Let them laugh.
re: #399 HappyWarrior
The only election I know of where there wasn’t fishy business where the candidate who lost the PV but won the EC was 1888 with Harrison and Cleveland and Cleveland won his famous non-consecutive second term four years later anyhow. The others: 1824, 1876, and 2000 were full of fishy shit.
i wasnt going for fishy as much as flawed EC
it’s identifying the right states to get to 270, with the least number of votes
i know that’s kind of obvious
i just wonder if it could get to 5m or even 10. and im guessing not
because if the EC is that close (270 or so) then the chances of the popular vote being so skewed doesnt seem likely
3m is a lot though those 3 states were tipped by painfully few votes
re: #408 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO
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no shit.
I really want Sarah to get hers one day. Hopefully it will mean dying alone and in misery.
So now you have to explain how Hillary Witchcraft made that foreign government send that tip to the FBI.
— Rev. Magdalen ||This Machine Dismantles Patriarchy (@revmagdalen) April 18, 2019
re: #414 Man, DangerMan
i wasnt going for fishy as much as flawed EC
it’s identifying the right states to get to 270, with the least number of votes
i know that’s kind of obvious
i just wonder if it could get to 5m or even 10. and im guessing notbecause if the EC is that close (270 or so) then the chances of the popular vote being so skewed doesnt seem likely
3m is a lot though those 3 states were tipped by painfully few votes
Ah I’m talking about fishy because I think the EC system allows said fishiness to exist.
I wonder if Trumps aides will try to keep his phone away from him for as long as possible today?
[Checking Glenn Greenwald’s timeline…]
Yep, as expected, he’s ranting and gloating. SSDD.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 18, 2019
re: #404 Targetpractice
Not sure which I find a funnier mental image:
That Donny is sitting at the White House, still with a big shit-eating grin on his face because he believes that Barr totally hit it out of the park this morning and the public believes he’s been exonerated…
Or that he’s currently in danger of popping a blood vessel as he screams at anybody who will listen that he never should have let Barr agree to release the report, that he should have fired Mueller when he had the chance, and threatening vengeance on everybody who “ratted him out.”
mine is trump (you know, the president of the united stated) mesmerized by houseflies while he’s being briefed in the oval
re: #404 Targetpractice
Not sure which I find a funnier mental image:
That Donny is sitting at the White House, still with a big shit-eating grin on his face because he believes that Barr totally hit it out of the park this morning and the public believes he’s been exonerated…
Or that he’s currently in danger of popping a blood vessel as he screams at anybody who will listen that he never should have let Barr agree to release the report, that he should have fired Mueller when he had the chance, and threatening vengeance on everybody who “ratted him out.”
The latter. He is going to go after anyone he thinks betrayed him. I predict an exodious exodus from the White House in the coming weeks if not days.
Edit for spelling
re: #423 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
The latter. He is going to go after anyone he thinks betrayed him. I predict an exodious from the White House in the coming weeks if not days.
Yeah I think we’re going to see a bunch of people exit state right.
re: #409 plansbandc
The trumpsters on my fakebook are gloating and calling Dems delusional.
I’m seriously considering quitting politics.
quit facebook, stay in politics
On Nov 9, 2016, someone wrote to the head of Russia’s sovereign wealth fund Kirill Dmitriev that “Putin has won.” We don’t know who wrote that because it’s redacted. pic.twitter.com/egT08AeQQ6
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) April 18, 2019
Manafort.
re: #426 makeitstop
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Manafort.
Manafort if history is just will be remembered as one of the worst scoundrels in our history.
re: #423 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
The latter. He is going to go after anyone he thinks betrayed him. I predict an exodious from the White House in the coming weeks if not days.
an odious exit?
re: #425 Man, DangerMan
quit facebook, stay in politics
That’s what I did. I use Facebook to promote my band, and every once in a while I’d check in to see who’s saying what. Other than that, FB doesn’t rate a browser tab from me any more.
My mental state has improved nearly to the level it improved when I quit cable news all those years ago.
re: #416 jaunte
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Another question for Barr when he makes his future appearance before Congress: “How do you square your belief that the Trump campaign was ‘spied upon’ with the Mueller Report stating that the FBI investigation began after they were alerted by a foreign gov’t?”
O_o
As I have been saying all along, NO COLLUSION - NO OBSTRUCTION! pic.twitter.com/BnMB5mvHAM
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 18, 2019
re: #428 Man, DangerMan
e: #423 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire
The latter. He is going to go after anyone he thinks betrayed him. I predict an exodious from the White House in the coming weeks if not days.
an odious exit?
Good, if inadvertent coinage: “a mass departure of the hateful”??
re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth
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ARRRGH.
THANK YOU STUPID FUCKING MEDIA FOR TAKING THE BARR MEMO AT FACE VALUE.
Christ…
re: #432 Backwoods_Sleuth
O_o
I’ve been saying all along that I really am a billionaire. That one’s not true either.
WIFE: Where were you last night
ME: Harm to ongoing matter
WIFE: You never answered my texts
ME: Harm to ongoing matter
WIFE: Just be honest with me
ME: Okay, I was █████████████ █████ with ████████
WIFE: Just go— Michael (@Home_Halfway) April 18, 2019
re: #408 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO
no shit.
She can only be fired from her Press secretary job. She could be jailed for lying to Mueller. She told the truth to the correct people. What the press should do is go look up that day, and ask her the same questions again.
That reminds me Easter is coming up:
Hundreds of male Catholic devotees in the Philippines marked Maundy Thursday, a Christian holy day, with a bloody ritual that involves self-flagellating to honour the suffering of Jesus Christ on the cross.
The devotees, their faces covered with red or black cloth, walked along busy streets while beating their bodies with chains and whips.
The men prayed and laid on the ground as they were hit on the back with wooden paddles.
The Filipino devotees believe the painful ritual will help them atone for sins and allow them to ask for favours from God.
The ritual is often discouraged by Catholic Church officials.
re: #439 Belafon
She can only be fired from her Press secretary job. She could be jailed for lying to Mueller. She told the truth to the correct people. What the press should do is go look up that day, and ask her the same questions again.
Provided, of course, that she eventually conducts a proper press briefing. Those seem to have gone the way of the dodo.
re: #440 Shropshire Slasher
He will only allow them to ask Him to stop this ritual.
re: #414 Man, DangerMan
i wasnt going for fishy as much as flawed EC
it’s identifying the right states to get to 270, with the least number of votes
i know that’s kind of obvious
i just wonder if it could get to 5m or even 10. and im guessing notbecause if the EC is that close (270 or so) then the chances of the popular vote being so skewed doesnt seem likely
3m is a lot though those 3 states were tipped by painfully few votes
Don’t have time now to look in detail but it’s theoretically easy to get 10+ million more votes — what if Hillary won by 80% in all states that she won — and she also won Pennsylvania and Michigan. It could be a landslide popular vote victory, while losing the electoral college.
re: #374 Hecuba’s daughter
The EC poisons everything; Hillary could have received 65% of the votes and still lost if they weren’t in the right states. It has nothing to do with receiving “enough” votes but enough states.
While the EC was originally created in order to give Southern states more votes by counting non-voting Black slaves as 3/5 of a person, it currently functions by counting residents of sparsely populated non-coastal Western states as 5/3 of a person.
Barr comes out of this looking like a cheap hooker, although that’s a slander to prostitutes, in truth.
— Deirdre (@Celticlassy10) April 18, 2019
re: #286 Eclectic Cyborg
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He hosts a show on fox, name is Tyrus
I get it now. Mike is in an assisted living facility somewhere, and he doesn’t even know you guys are doing this in his name. Mike, if you’re out there, please let us know you’re OK…
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