An Unprecedented Moment: The Washington National Cathedral Denounces Donald Trump: "Have We No Decency?"

An Unprecedented Moment: The Washington National Cathedral Denounces Donald Trump: “Have We No Decency?”

PoliticsJuly 2019 • Views: 29,354

Another extraordinarily terrible moment in our nation’s history, as the leaders of the Washington National Cathedral issue a very rare public statement: Have We No Decency? A Response to President Trump.

The escalation of racialized rhetoric from the President of the United States has evoked responses from all sides of the political spectrum. On one side, African American leaders have led the way in rightfully expressing outrage. On the other, those aligned with the President seek to downplay the racial overtones of his attacks, or remain silent.

As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral ¬– the sacred space where America gathers at moments of national significance – we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough?

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 11:05:50am

IT’S AN UGLY CATHEDRAL. I WOULD HAVE BUILT A BETTER ONE. BELIEVE ME!

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2019 • 11:07:42am

It’s not a question of “Will he say something?” so much as “How fucking petty is he going to get this time?”

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:08:42am

GOP moves Washington National Cathedral to the UNAMERICAN column.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2019 • 11:09:02am

The Great American Religious Schism of 2019; Pro vs Anti-Trump factions

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:09:05am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

IT’S AN UGLY CATHEDRAL. I WOULD HAVE BUILT A BETTER ONE. BELIEVE ME!

Yeah I can see it now…The Trump® National Cathedral built with Chinese steel and cheap concrete. Stained glass windows with images of Trump. Pews stocked with copies of Art Of The Deal and Atlas Shrugged. And at the pulpit is a portrait of Trump’s God Ayn Rand with a Golden Elephant in front of the pulpit where his RepubliKKKlan disciples kneel down and pray to…

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2019 • 11:10:31am

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yeah I can see it now…The Trump® National Cathedral built with Chinese steel and cheap concrete. Stained glass windows with images of Trump. Pews stocked with copies of Art Of The Deal and Atlas Shrugged. And at the pulpit is a portrait of Trump’s God Ayn Rand with a Golden Elephant in front of the pulpit where his RepubliKKKlan disciples kneel down and pray to…

Don’t forget the Altar of Prosperity, where the faithful drop “donations” to the church.

The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 11:11:11am

WTFITS

Forking amazing. pic.twitter.com/ne6ccavCAT

— Jim Swift (@JimSwiftDC) July 31, 2019

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:11:30am

re: #6 Targetpractice

Don’t forget the Altar of Prosperity, where the faithful drop “donations” to the church.

You got to swipe your Mastercard, Visa, American Express or that New Apple Credit card to open the cathedral doors…

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:12:12am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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You would have to be on amphetamines to attend that insanity.

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2019 • 11:12:32am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Not so much a “Who’s Who?” as a “Who Cares?”

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 11:12:46am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Grift.

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 11:13:32am

re: #10 Targetpractice

Not so much a “Who’s Who?” as a “Who Cares?”

For people who hate Washington, they sure love going to it to whine.

rhuarc Jul 31, 2019 • 11:13:34am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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Where we hope he meteor lands? :D /s

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:14:17am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

Dumbpalooza!

Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 11:15:40am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Great American Religious Schism of 2019; Pro vs Anti-Trump factions

The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 11:18:14am

Trump just used “Never again” to refer to the Mueller investigation.

If you care about Holocaust comparisons being misused, now is the time to speak out. pic.twitter.com/CuuajnEBbl

— Elad Nehorai (@PopChassid) July 31, 2019

The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 11:19:38am

JFC

Trump administration may end protected status for Syrians, leaving many fearing “a death sentence” https://t.co/iFyBJclubt pic.twitter.com/P4x9MEHoKd

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) July 31, 2019

Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2019 • 11:20:30am

Crazy racist grandpa is now growing ever more paranoid.

President Donald Trump has been quizzing friends, advisers, and media allies about the loyalty of Fox News, once his favorite cable network, the Daily Beast reported on Tuesday.

Citing three sources who have spoken with the president about the subject recently, the outlet reported that it is very much on the president’s mind.

The sources said Trump had repeatedly asked “What the hell is going on at Fox?” and remarked that he’s “been good to them.”

According to the report, Trump has expressed concern that the Fox owner Rupert Murdoch’s sons, who are playing key roles running their aging father’s media empire, are “very liberal” and has asked his allies at the network whether the younger Murdochs can be trusted.

He has also reportedly instructed senior aides to do more interviews with networks other than Fox News, which has previously enjoyed unparalleled access to senior members of the administration.

businessinsider.com

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 11:21:09am

BREAKING: Federal Reserve CUTS rates by 0.25%

— Rebecca Jarvis (@RebeccaJarvis) July 31, 2019

Is Trump the reason the Fed is about to cut rates? - Reuters https://t.co/vf1rogdHnC

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) July 31, 2019

But for Trump’s idiotic trade policies, the economy would likely be growing somewhat faster.

It’s also clear that Trump/GOP tax cuts did not grow the economy as they claimed/promised. It was a smash and grab to massively grow debt and give 1% bulk of benefit.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) July 31, 2019

Teddy's Person Jul 31, 2019 • 11:22:01am

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

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AMP Fest: American Malicious Palaver Fest

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 11:22:28am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

Crazy racist grandpa is now growing ever more paranoid.

businessinsider.com

OFFS.

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 11:23:03am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

And those other outlets will be all too happy to trade access for scoops, even if they don’t bother fact-checking or holding Trumpworld accountable for the nonstop hose of bulkshit spewed at the public to misinform, misdirect, and miss the big picture of criminality, graft, and corruption across Trumpworld.

Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2019 • 11:25:58am

re: #22 lawhawk

And those other outlets will be all too happy to trade access for scoops, even if they don’t bother fact-checking or holding Trumpworld accountable for the nonstop hose of bulkshit spewed at the public to misinform, misdirect, and miss the big picture of criminality, graft, and corruption across Trumpworld.

I figure it won’t be much longer before Trump and his administration are going to end up relying just as much on OANN as they do on FNC.

One American News Network is for people who think FNC is run by a bunch of commies.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:26:07am

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

Crazy racist grandpa is now growing ever more paranoid.

businessinsider.com

Nothing would bring me more joy than to see Trump dump Fox for OANN and then see Trump go after Slumlord Sean!

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:28:14am

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

I figure it won’t be much longer before Trump and his administration are going to end up relying just as much on OANN as they do on FNC.

One American News Network is for people who think FNC is run by a bunch of commies.

I’m so glad I dumped the cable box and replaced it with an Apple TV.

I had Sling TV but cancelled when they started to carry Glen Beck’s Bullshitfest channel.

Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 11:28:55am

It’s pretty impressive when you can be such a hate filled racist asshole that even FOX NEWS has second thoughts about you.

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 11:31:24am

re: #19 lawhawk

Replying to @lawhawk
It is due to Trump’s reactionary know nothing actions, including his idiotic trade war that casts uncertainty on business decisions and hikes costs to consumers. It slows economic activity. It’s a drag, and the Fed is trying to keep economy on level ground.

lawhawk
@lawhawk
But for Trump’s idiotic trade policies, the economy would likely be growing somewhat faster.

It’s also clear that Trump/GOP tax cuts did not grow the economy as they claimed/promised. It was a smash and grab to massively grow debt and give 1% bulk of benefit.

spot on, chris

Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2019 • 11:32:31am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s pretty impressive when you can be such a hate filled racist asshole that even FOX NEWS has second thoughts about you.

FNC is the GOP’s media outlet. Indeed, that’s what it was created for. The FNC bigwigs are more concerned about protecting the Republican Party and advancing the GOP’s goals and interests; if they conclude Trump poses a genuine threat to the GOP, they’ll turn on him.

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:35:01am

Rusal was only able to make the $200M investment after it won sanctions relief from Treasury in April 2018.

Attention over the sanctions relief deal has focused on McConnell, given his role in halting a bipartisan congressional effort to stop the sanctions rollback.

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) July 31, 2019

Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 11:37:00am

re: #29 jaunte

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Putin’s mitch

makeitstop Jul 31, 2019 • 11:38:35am

re: #24 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nothing would bring me more joy than to see Trump dump Fox for OANN and then see Trump go after Slumlord Sean!

Conversely, I’d love to see Fox start to go after Trump. I might even tune in for that.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:39:10am

#MoscowMitch and #RussianRand in action selling out America.

As long as they said Jesus Jesus Jesus and play the race card they will get re-elected.

Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 11:40:43am

re: #31 makeitstop

Conversely, I’d love to see Fox start to go after Trump. I might even tune in for that.

Unfortunately Fox will continue to propagandize for the fascist elite. That won’t change.

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 11:41:14am

re: #30 Old Liberal

Putin’s mitch

you shouldnt call him that
mitch doesnt like it
/s

Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 11:41:56am

re: #33 Old Liberal

Unfortunately Fox will continue to propagandize for the fascist elite. That won’t change.

The fascist elite isn’t enough of a majority. They need white supremacists as well.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:42:57am

re: #33 Old Liberal

Unfortunately Fox will continue to propagandize for the fascist elite. That won’t change.

Yeah but I would love to see the Three Assholes on Fox and Friends shed crocodile tears and beg Trump to come back when he bashes them and gives exclusives to OANN!

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 11:43:27am

The U.S. has obtained intelligence that the son and potential successor of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, Hamza bin Laden, is dead, NBC News reports.

see if trump tries to take credit
“on my watch”, etc

Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 11:44:34am

Another in the series of “Let them fight!” But, if I’m forced to choose, I’ll vote Sanders:

I’m angry because multi-millionaires like you and Trump have rigged our economy at the middle class’ expense.

I’m angry because millions are living paycheck to paycheck.

I’m angry because 34 million Americans are uninsured.

Why doesn’t that anger you? https://t.co/bhpn8Kgb9T

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) July 31, 2019

Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 11:45:07am

re: #35 Belafon

The fascist elite isn’t enough of a majority. They need white supremacists as well.

Man, if Trump was able to turn white supremacists against Fox News things could get real interesting.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 11:45:08am

re: #37 DangerMan

see if trump tries to take credit
“on my watch”, etc

Not only that. He will claim that Hamza was the real mastermind behind Osama. You can count on the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine cranking up to 11 to spread those lies.

Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 11:45:16am

re: #38 Belafon

Reload

Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 11:48:28am

re: #41 Belafon

Reload

Bernie does make some good points there.

Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 11:48:50am

re: #35 Belafon

The fascist elite isn’t enough of a majority. They need white supremacists as well.

Yes, I meant they will mislead the rubes for the benefit of the fascist rich.

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:49:15am

When you think about it, it’s actually crazy that the parties hand off their signature talent showcases to cable orgs whose sole incentives are ratings and gotcha moments. Dems should just run their own debates with their own moderators and invite the networks to come.

— David Faris (@davidmfaris) July 31, 2019

Why is this not the plan, Tom Perez?

Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 11:51:51am

re: #44 jaunte

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Why is this not the plan, Tom Perez?

This 100%. The Democratic leadership needs to take control. But then the squealers will squeal “unfair” to their third tier candidate

Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2019 • 11:52:42am

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Built by Polish immigrants that never see a paycheck.

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:54:07am

re: #45 Old Liberal

I’d really like for them to take charge of the primary process instead of leaving it to the news/entertainment businesses.

Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 11:58:13am

The Fed did a middllng rate cut and the Dow crapped itself—down about 300 in an hour.

jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 11:59:00am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

Shorter version of Powell: The economy is doing fine except for the specific problems that Trump promised to fix or improve.

— Binyamin Appelbaum (@BCAppelbaum) July 31, 2019

Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 12:00:21pm

re: #47 jaunte

I’d really like for them to take charge of the primary process instead of leaving it to the news/entertainment businesses.

I agree. But the squealers do a lot of damage (see Sanders 2016). And I wouldn’t be happy if our choice were between Biden or Tim Ryan thanks to party insiders, so I can’t totally diss the squealers.

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 12:01:45pm

North Carolina Elections Chief Resigns After Joke

tasteless or not
inappropriate or not

- apparently he’s a dem, appointed by a dem governor

- dem says something bad, does the honorable thing, takes responsibility, and steps down.

- meanwhile “grab em by the pu$$y” (times 1,000 other things) is sitting in the oval

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 12:03:23pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Bernie does make some good points there.

as did romney…

gocart mozart Jul 31, 2019 • 12:03:39pm

“Major Major’s father was a sober God-fearing man whose idea of a good joke was to lie about his age. He was a long-limbed farmer, a God-fearing, freedom-loving, law-abiding rugged individualist who held that federal aid to anyone but farmers was creeping socialism.” pic.twitter.com/r9xkZP1BF4

— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) July 31, 2019

gocart mozart Jul 31, 2019 • 12:04:26pm

You wouldn’t know a truth if it crawled from your hole and began nibbling on the dried husk of your scrotum. https://t.co/VLGN9vyI60

— David Simon (@AoDespair) July 31, 2019

gocart mozart Jul 31, 2019 • 12:04:45pm

Shut up, @benshapiro. And get back in the locker. https://t.co/x7AZV2RP3h pic.twitter.com/4g026CRRp8

— Vic Berger (@VicBergerIV) July 31, 2019

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 12:09:25pm

re: #55 gocart mozart

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What do either of Shapiro or Lopez know about child psychology? Oh and Ben if he were disagreeing with your sick transphobia, you’d be saying he should shut up about politics but we get it, you are a transphobic dipshit.

Skip Intro Jul 31, 2019 • 12:09:45pm

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:10:49pm

This thread and responses spark joy

I mean… pic.twitter.com/hPmYhyl5tE

— Copy McPasty, Writer (@KashannKilson) July 31, 2019

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 12:11:29pm

re: #52 DangerMan

as did romney…

I mean I get where Bernie is coming from but he’s had 28 years to make a real impact on these issues and now he wants potus? Screw Romney though, he’s a hack too.

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:13:11pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

This thread and responses spark joy

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No, the shoe left him due to shame.

— Mr. Butter Chicken (@MrButterChicken) July 31, 2019

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:14:24pm

Fists weight 60lbs apiece.

Only thing that man is scared of is his blood sugar.

— Copy McPasty, Writer (@KashannKilson) July 31, 2019

Patricia Kayden Jul 31, 2019 • 12:15:44pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

Romney needs to shut the hell up.

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 12:16:24pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

There’s actual video of this, and I think we can confirm that dude got knocked clean out of his shoes. We have the photo/video evidence. Myth - confirmed.

Gotta Love an OG Knockin out a youngin in KC 😂 pic.twitter.com/I098C8psZh

— ✩ T ✩ R ✩ V ✩ P ✩ (@TheRealTrvpZeus) July 30, 2019

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 12:18:26pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

Romney needs to shut the hell up.

He definitely does. Bernie ranting is nothing compared to the racist in the WH that Mitt paved the way for.

Patricia Kayden Jul 31, 2019 • 12:19:12pm

Interesting that John Delaney says he’s against socialism but allowed himself to be publicly owned. https://t.co/OqSiaKicb0

— jsaon (@thickyrubio) July 31, 2019

Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 12:19:13pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The Fed did a middllng rate cut and the Dow crapped itself—down about 300 in an hour.

MAGA!

makeitstop Jul 31, 2019 • 12:20:15pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

This thread and responses spark joy

Arby’s gets the last word.

Knuckle sandwiches are 2 for $5. Today only.

— Arby’s (@Arbys) July 31, 2019

makeitstop Jul 31, 2019 • 12:21:18pm

re: #63 lawhawk

There’s actual video of this, and I think we can confirm that dude got knocked clean out of his shoes. We have the photo/video evidence. Myth - confirmed.

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And the old dude didn’t even rear back! Just kinda half swung.

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:22:18pm

re: #63 lawhawk

There’s actual video of this, and I think we can confirm that dude got knocked clean out of his shoes. We have the photo/video evidence. Myth - confirmed.

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I love how he didn’t even hit him that hard, just a nice bop on the nose.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2019 • 12:22:53pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

This thread and responses spark joy

It looks more like a friendly match than an actual altercation.

Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2019 • 12:24:52pm

Lots of talk from Democrats about their competing ideas for health plans, which is good, I suppose.

However, the bottom line is that unless the Democrats retake the Senate, none of these plans will ever be law.

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 12:25:30pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Lots of talk from Democrats about their competing ideas for health plans, which is good, I suppose.

However, the bottom line is that unless the Democrats retake the Senate, none of these plans will ever be law.

Yep.

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 12:26:31pm

Wait. Wut?

Exclusive: Jeffrey Epstein told scientists and others that he planned to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating scores of women at his New Mexico ranch. Blockbuster by @JamesStewartNYT @MattGoldstein26 @jbsgreenberg https://t.co/sHbRuGxEI9

— David Enrich (@davidenrich) July 31, 2019

Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

And the other guy in that photo? Dershowitz. Epstein is wearing a Harvard sweatshirt, despite never attending (he’s a college dropout).

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:27:10pm

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It looks more like a friendly match than an actual altercation.

You’re mistaking restraint for friendliness. That end boss level uncle isn’t engaging in any “friendly” matches in an Arby’s parking lot with tattooed bros in tank tops.

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 12:27:39pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

Creepy fuck.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 12:30:56pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

And the other guy in that photo? Dershowitz. Epstein is wearing a Harvard sweatshirt, despite never attending (he’s a college dropout).

Put Short Eyes in the general prison population.

calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 12:32:44pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

And the other guy in that photo? Dershowitz. Epstein is wearing a Harvard sweatshirt, despite never attending (he’s a college dropout).

Wouldn’t that require women willing to bear his children? Or was he planning on enslaving enough women to make a genetic difference in pool of some 7.5 billion people?
Not the brightest bulb in the string, is he?

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:33:39pm

Dude in the Red hat is definitely an Alien!!!!!!! pic.twitter.com/UzWsRqR23R

— … (@JuVeeTCl) July 29, 2019

Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 12:33:55pm

re: #77 calochortus

Wouldn’t that require women willing to bear his children? Or was he planning on enslaving enough women to make a genetic difference in pool of some 7.5 billion people?
Not the brightest bulb in the string, is he?

Or laws bent in his favor.

calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 12:36:22pm

re: #79 Belafon

Or laws bent in his favor.

He’d be better off bribing sperm banks to stock his “brand” exclusively, but that’s probably not his plan.

The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 12:39:33pm

Yeah well, they don’t have a Holiday Inn Express at Yasgur’s Farm.

Woodstock 50 has been cancelled. https://t.co/CFuvVNx9T6

— NBC News (@NBCNews) July 31, 2019

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2019 • 12:42:56pm

re: #77 calochortus

Wouldn’t that require women willing to bear his children? Or was he planning on enslaving enough women to make a genetic difference in pool of some 7.5 billion people?
Not the brightest bulb in the string, is he?

He was a billionaire preying on desperate young runaways. The fucked up thing isn’t how realistic the scale of his stated end goal was but that we live in a society with so much structural inequality and power imbalance that someone with his resources could actually view that as a plausible mass reproductive strategy.

Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Jul 31, 2019 • 12:45:43pm

And everyone is shocked! Shocked! Round up the usual suspects.

(“Casablanca” means “White House” in Spanish. Coincidence? I don’t think so!) https://t.co/OLmz1L32Ny

— Harry Turtledove (@HNTurtledove) July 30, 2019

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 12:46:46pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Lots of talk from Democrats about their competing ideas for health plans, which is good, I suppose.

However, the bottom line is that unless the Democrats retake the Senate, none of these plans will ever be law.

at least half the things they talk about in the debates will never happen

that type of presidency is gone - that of a president having the chops, vision, relationships and sway to get lots (let alone one) of sweeping ideas through congress

there wont be a prez with both houses of congress for a while
and even then with (dream on) veto proof majorities there are factions within the dems, factions within the r’s…

no. there will be some progress. maybe not even a lot. there will not be sweeping progress.

DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 12:48:02pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

And the other guy in that photo? Dershowitz. Epstein is wearing a Harvard sweatshirt, despite never attending (he’s a college dropout).

it’s like an old law and order episode
the ivf doc seeded all the eggs with his sperm

Patricia Kayden Jul 31, 2019 • 12:48:10pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Apparently the video is in reverse. Still cool though.

Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Jul 31, 2019 • 12:49:48pm

re: #73 lawhawk

Wait. Wut?

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Unfuckingbelievable. I got nothing with this… Epstein is truly the worst.

And the other guy in that photo? Dershowitz. Epstein is wearing a Harvard sweatshirt, despite never attending (he’s a college dropout).

Epstein was an Evangelical preacher? Whoduhthunkit!

Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2019 • 12:50:38pm

Another one bites the dust.

Texas GOP lawmaker Conaway announces retirement

Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) said Wednesday that he plans to retire at the end of his term during a press conference in Midland, Texas, on Wednesday.

thehill.com

Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 12:51:17pm

Delaney needs to exit gracefully (ok, maybe that’s too late) but he was right in one aspect of his exchange on taxation: an annual wealth tax (except for the estate tax which should be increased) is impractical but an increase in capital gains tax is simple and practical.

Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 12:51:42pm

re: #88 Kilroy was here

Another one bites the dust.

Texas GOP lawmaker Conaway announces retirement

thehill.com

Just think of all the new Trump critics we’ll have in 2021.

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 12:51:48pm

re: #88 Kilroy was here

Is that 5 or 6 in just the past week announcing that they’re rats fleeing the sinking ship?

Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Jul 31, 2019 • 12:54:26pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Joe Biden was born November 20, 1942; THE VERY DAY ALLIED FORCES CAPTURED BENGHAZI IN WORLD WAR II (YES, THE SAME BENGHAZI!) No coincidences indeed! https://t.co/Twvnqtifz4

— Lord Piltdown (@jimreynolds54) July 31, 2019

calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 12:54:53pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

He was a billionaire preying on desperate young runaways. The fucked up thing isn’t how realistic the scale of his stated end goal was but that we live in a society with so much structural inequality and power imbalance that someone with his resources could actually view that as a plausible mass reproductive strategy.

Well, of course. But I think we knew he was a piece of work before this additional item came out.
Fathering All the Children seems to be a fairly common male goal-which makes sense on a genetic level. The alternate strategy of fathering some of the children and making sure they survive to reproduce and supporting those grandchildren as well, seems a more civilized strategy.

Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire Jul 31, 2019 • 12:59:18pm

Sadly, they only booted him for not asking to use their property for his presser. He just showed up and expected to be allowed.

Ben Carson Booted From Baltimore Church Property; Defends Trump Tweets While Discussing City’s Problems

lawhawk Jul 31, 2019 • 1:00:00pm

I’ve been reading releases by the U.S. Catholic Bishops over the past weeks, criticizing/opposing Trump Administration policies, and something struck me: the omission of the word “Trump” in these releases.

I want to show you a side-by-side comparison with the Obama years:

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— Michael Bayer (@mbayer1248) July 30, 2019

Go figure that U.S. Catholic Bishops purposefully couch Trump admin criticism as just “The Administration” but when they were criticizing the admin under Obama, it was “The Obama Administration”.

A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2019 • 1:02:34pm

re: #67 makeitstop

OMG that whole thread is like the best thing ever, except for maybe GSD puppy videos. This has been an exceptionally shitty day, this actually made me giggle like a dipshit for like 10 minutes. Thanks GDF for that.

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:03:42pm

re: #94 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Sadly, they only booted him for not asking to use their property for his presser. He just showed up and expected to be allowed.

Ben Carson Booted From Baltimore Church Property; Defends Trump Tweets While Discussing City’s Problems

He’s had plenty of time to help Baltimore as HUD Secretary. Carson is a disgrace to the medical profession.

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:04:21pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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Go figure that U.S. Catholic Bishops purposefully couch Trump admin criticism as just “The Administration” but when they were criticizing the admin under Obama, it was “The Obama Administration”.

Afraid of triggering their fragile white flocks.

steve_davis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:04:35pm

re: #48 Decatur Deb

The Fed did a middllng rate cut and the Dow crapped itself—down about 300 in an hour.

I give up. Every goddamned time I buy a stock, something happens that just kicks the legs out from under it. In the last six months, I’ve owned Johnson and Johnson, Abbvie, and Exxon. A week after JNJ purchase, it turns out they’re responsible for killing babies during the Holocaust. Billions of dollars in liability. Abbvie, responsible for killing everyone who wasn’t a baby during the holocaust. Stock dives days after purchase. Yesterday, I bought Exxon. They didn’t kill anybody during the holocaust, but they very much wanted to. Down a buck today. Just fuck it.

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calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 1:05:37pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

He’s had plenty of time to help Baltimore as HUD Secretary. Carson is a disgrace to the medical profession.

Actually, I think he was a pretty good surgeon. He’s more a disgrace to humanity in general.

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calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 1:07:29pm

re: #99 steve_davis

I give up. Every goddamned time I buy a stock, something happens that just kicks the legs out from under it. In the last six months, I’ve owned Johnson and Johnson, Abbvie, and Exxon. A week after JNJ purchase, it turns out they’re responsible for killing babies during the Holocaust. Billions of dollars in liability. Abbvie, responsible for killing everyone who wasn’t a baby during the holocaust. Stock dives days after purchase. Yesterday, I bought Exxon. They didn’t kill anybody during the holocaust, but they very much wanted to. Down a buck today. Just fuck it.

May I suggest an index fund? Vanguard and Schwab have some some with suitably low fees.

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steve_davis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:07:54pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

What do either of Shapiro or Lopez know about child psychology? Oh and Ben if he were disagreeing with your sick transphobia, you’d be saying he should shut up about politics but we get it, you are a transphobic dipshit.

I don’t know anything about child psychology either, but I’ll admit, if a 3 year-old boy told me he was a girl, I would assume it was a phase, because 3 year-olds don’t know shit about anything. If a 12 year-old boy tells me he’s a girl, then that’s a different story.

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Skip Intro Jul 31, 2019 • 1:10:39pm

re: #99 steve_davis

Fed cuts interest rates by .25%, market falls 333 points.

Apple reports decreasing sales of iPhones, up $4 share.

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steve_davis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:13:47pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

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he did that in loafers for crying out loud!

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 1:13:58pm

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:14:21pm

re: #100 calochortus

Actually, I think he was a pretty good surgeon. He’s more a disgrace to humanity in general.

Fair.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:15:21pm

re: #102 steve_davis

I don’t know anything about child psychology either, but I’ll admit, if a 3 year-old boy told me he was a girl, I would assume it was a phase, because 3 year-olds don’t know shit about anything. If a 12 year-old boy tells me he’s a girl, then that’s a different story.

I do think the latter occurs far more often but yeah.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 1:15:33pm

re: #100 calochortus

Actually, I think he was a pretty good surgeon. He’s more a disgrace to humanity in general.

Peter Principle — The fault is not his — he is totally incompetent and should never have accepted the appointment but then the fault really lies with the Senate who should never have approved him. Surgeon General — maybe — but HUD? no way. I don’t blame Trump for this — Trump knows and understands nothing about government. But the GOP Senators — they are the ones who knowingly and deliberately failed their responsibilities

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steve_davis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:15:48pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

You’re mistaking restraint for friendliness. That end boss level uncle isn’t engaging in any “friendly” matches in an Arby’s parking lot with tattooed bros in tank tops.

that was the “fresh meat” level on Diablo.

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 1:15:55pm

re: #101 calochortus

May I suggest an index fund? Vanguard and Schwab have some some with suitably low fees.

Index funds are great for the long term. Right now I’m selling more than buying.
As much as I hate cash it’s not a great time to buy. If you need to buy go with the Index fund and save some cash for when the market crashes.

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The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 1:16:33pm

Largest fucking deficit in the history of our country. Your #TradeWars,#Tariffs have destroyed farming, manufacturing jobs, #Putin must be proud of his puppet. #TrumpPutinAlliance #OccupiedAmerica #RiseUp #FightBack #DefendDemocracy #MARINESagainstTrump #VeteransAgainstTrump pic.twitter.com/WXGrNO57ci

— 1st Sergeant (First Shirt) (@Top_Sergeant) July 31, 2019

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 1:19:18pm

re: #102 steve_davis

I don’t know anything about child psychology either, but I’ll admit, if a 3 year-old boy told me he was a girl, I would assume it was a phase, because 3 year-olds don’t know shit about anything. If a 12 year-old boy tells me he’s a girl, then that’s a different story.

My 5 year old grand niece was in class with another child last year who announced they were now a boy and is being treated as one. I share your feelings that this age is too young to make such a decision.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:20:21pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

Peter Principle — The fault is not his — he is totally incompetent and should never have accepted the appointment but then the fault really lies with the Senate who should never have approved him. Surgeon General — maybe — but HUD? no way. I don’t blame Trump for this — Trump knows and understands nothing about government. But the GOP Senators — they are the ones who knowingly and deliberately failed their responsibilities

lets see what they do with ratcliffe

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William Lewis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:20:43pm

re: #102 steve_davis

With some kids it does start that early. The key is to pay attention over so long period and see if the disphoria continues. Never denigrate those feelings, but hope that every one can handle things if it is more than a phase
.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:21:50pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

Peter Principle — The fault is not his — he is totally incompetent and should never have accepted the appointment but then the fault really lies with the Senate who should never have approved him. Surgeon General — maybe — but HUD? no way. I don’t blame Trump for this — Trump knows and understands nothing about government. But the GOP Senators — they are the ones who knowingly and deliberately failed their responsibilities

I can definitely blame Trump. It doesn’t take a genius to know a surgeon doesn’t belong at HUD.

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calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 1:22:06pm

re: #110 I Would Prefer Not To

Index funds are great for the long term. Right now I’m selling more than buying.
As much as I hate cash it’s not a great time to buy. If you need to buy go with the Index fund and save some cash for when the market crashes.

Yeah, we’re a little cash-heavy right now too, but slowly moving money from specific stocks to an index fund, because the markets make no sense whatsoever.

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Citizen K Jul 31, 2019 • 1:22:15pm

Intent > Tone
Impact > Intent

Tone policing minimizes the actual intent behind what’s being said, and absolutely ignores the actual impact of the issues, elevating decorum over substance. It’s almost always used to shout down people who have a right to be angry. #JustSaying

— Make Cruelty Un-American, K? (@Citizen_Kryptik) July 31, 2019

This dude is just plain embarrassing in every way.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:22:40pm

re: #111 The Pie Overlord!

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I’m so sick of this lie that he repeatedly gets away with it. Asshole inherited the Obama economy and thinks he’s fucking FDR.

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sagehen Jul 31, 2019 • 1:23:06pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

He’s had plenty of time to help Baltimore as HUD Secretary. Carson is a disgrace to the medical profession.

He’s had plenty of time to help Baltimore since way before that:

Carson was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland from 1984 until his retirement in 2013.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:23:09pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I can definitely blame Trump. It doesn’t take a genius to know a surgeon doesn’t belong at HUD.

and trump claimed, bragged “i only hire the best’, so yeah, we can blame him directly

otoh, HUD is not rocket surgery /s

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steve_davis Jul 31, 2019 • 1:23:30pm

re: #101 calochortus

If I bought an index fund, they’d kill everybody in the fucking world.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:24:31pm

re: #119 sagehen

He’s had plenty of time to help Baltimore since way before that:

Carson was the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland from 1984 until his retirement in 2013.

Exactly. Which is why I called him a disgrace to his profession.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 1:24:57pm

re: #114 William Lewis

With some kids it does start that early. The key is to pay attention over so long period and see if the disphoria continues. Never denigrate those feelings, but hope that every one can handle things if it is more than a phase
.

Sometimes the problem (for girls) may be that the child is really a tomboy and doesn’t understand that doesn’t mean they are a boy but just that they prefer activities that are promoted for boys instead of typical girl activities.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:26:17pm

re: #120 DangerMan

and trump claimed, bragged “i only hire the best’, so yeah, we can blame him directly

otoh, HUD is not rocket surgery /s

Exactly. Carson was a terrible pick and Trump bears fault for that. If my hospital hired an urban planner to be chief of surgery, you’d be furious. The Buck Stops Here. Trump doesn’t get an excuse for being a novice. Novices shouldn’t be President.

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The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 1:26:44pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

I’m so sick of this lie that he repeatedly gets away with it. Asshole inherited the Obama economy and thinks he’s fucking FDR.

And he is well on the way to fucking things up & blame whoever comes after him who has to clean up his mess.

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calochortus Jul 31, 2019 • 1:27:04pm

re: #121 steve_davis

If I bought an index fund, they’d kill everybody in the fucking world.

OK then, better scratch that idea!

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:27:40pm

re: #114 William Lewis

With some kids it does start that early. The key is to pay attention over so long period and see if the disphoria continues. Never denigrate those feelings, but hope that every one can handle things if it is more than a phase
.

We owe the kid our ear to listen. If a kid said he was sad, we wouldn’t dismiss it. Gender disphoria isn’t different.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:28:45pm

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

And he is well on the way to fucking things up & blame whoever comes after him who has to clean up his mess.

And then the GOP will just blame the Dems and expect everyone to forget.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:29:51pm

I like boy stuff versus I feel like a boy is different. My niece has some tomboy traits but she’s very traditionally feminine tooZ

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sagehen Jul 31, 2019 • 1:34:35pm

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

Sometimes the problem (for girls) may be that the child is really a tomboy and doesn’t understand that doesn’t mean they are a boy but just that they prefer activities that are promoted for boys instead of typical girl activities.

The first time I got in trouble at school was in pre-K; I was in the sandbox with the boy next door (we carpooled), when he snatched the Tonka truck out of my hands and said those were just for boys. I responded by smearing paste in his hair.

Both our mothers were called; we both got in trouble.

5 years later, my brother’s dog chased him up a tree and I had to rescue him. 2 years after that, my other brother’s dog ate half his sister’s goat and left the other half on their front lawn. But 3 years after that, he was my date for my first cotillion. And another 2 years after that, he taught me how to roll a joint.

Haven’t seen him since we went off to different colleges.

Neighbors are complicated.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 1:37:52pm

To add to the discussion of Williamson’s performance last night — from today’s NYTimes column by Frank Bruni:

That’s not to say I didn’t enjoy Marianne Williamson. How can you not? She says big things and loopy things and impassioned things and sometimes they’re even the same thing. And she’s constantly chiding Democrats for what clichéd, banal, uneducable windbags they can be. More than a few of them need to hear that.

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sagehen Jul 31, 2019 • 1:38:43pm

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

And he is well on the way to fucking things up & blame whoever comes after him who has to clean up his mess.

Black Man Given Nation’s Worst Job
politics.theonion.com
11/04/08 11:30pm

WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation’s broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, “It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can’t catch a break.”

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:42:03pm

re: #132 sagehen

Black Man Given Nation’s Worst Job
politics.theonion.com
11/04/08 11:30pm

WASHINGTON—African-American man Barack Obama, 47, was given the least-desirable job in the entire country Tuesday when he was elected president of the United States of America. In his new high-stress, low-reward position, Obama will be charged with such tasks as completely overhauling the nation’s broken-down economy, repairing the crumbling infrastructure, and generally having to please more than 300 million Americans and cater to their every whim on a daily basis. As part of his duties, the black man will have to spend four to eight years cleaning up the messes other people left behind. The job comes with such intense scrutiny and so certain a guarantee of failure that only one other person even bothered applying for it. Said scholar and activist Mark L. Denton, “It just goes to show you that, in this country, a black man still can’t catch a break.”

I really feel not only did the right screw him over politically but part of the left too whom had unrealistic expectations for him as both a President and the First African American one.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:45:15pm

re: #125 The Pie Overlord!

And he is well on the way to fucking things up & blame whoever comes after him who has to clean up his mess.

he can blame whoever he wants

the sober reflection of history will not be kind to him and no amount of spin will be able to change it

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:46:18pm

it’s a thing

moscow mitch online store

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:46:29pm

re: #131 Hecuba’s daughter

To add to the discussion of Williamson’s performance last night — from today’s NYTimes column by Frank Bruni:

I really am not interested in the normalizing of a presidential campaign for Williamson given her actions during the AIDS crisis. And frankly I’m sick of cranks like her and Trump thinking the Presidency is some game. There is a wisdom to not running for President.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:48:37pm

re: #135 DangerMan

it’s a thing

moscow mitch online store

Live by the me, die by the meme. Moscow Mitch is perfect for him.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:49:14pm

here’s a fun chart from cnn business

From Reagan to Trump: Here’s how the market performed under each president

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:49:59pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I really am not interested in the normalizing of a presidential campaign for Williamson given her actions during the AIDS crisis. And frankly I’m sick of cranks like her and Trump thinking the Presidency is some game. There is a wisdom to not running for President.

lots of wise folks hang around lgf

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 1:51:03pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Live by the me, die by the meme. Moscow Mitch is perfect for him.

that and putin’s mitch
‘moscow fool’ is a little elite if you dont know what a moscow mule is

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 1:51:13pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I really am not interested in the normalizing of a presidential campaign for Williamson given her actions during the AIDS crisis. And frankly I’m sick of cranks like her and Trump thinking the Presidency is some game. There is a wisdom to not running for President.

Also, we are trying to get rid of a fasist. It’s not the time for games.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:51:36pm

re: #139 DangerMan

lots of wise folks hang around lgf

I’m declaring now. I will never be a candidate for President. I mean I’m okay with Marianne giving her 2 cents. That’s fine. But my God, you’re not qualified ma’am.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:52:16pm

re: #141 I Would Prefer Not To

Also, we are trying to get rid of a fasist. It’s not the time for games.

Yep. It’s absurd.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 1:55:35pm

I’m old enough to remember when Dennis Kucinich was a joke candidate but at least he had elected experience and thus experience with the process of government.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 1:59:00pm

re: #138 DangerMan

here’s a fun chart from cnn business

From Reagan to Trump: Here’s how the market performed under each president

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These charts are deceptive; both Reagan and Obama entered the WH during financial crises when markets were significantly depressed. In these cases, you would expect an upsurge when the economy was being handled competently in response to these crises. Trump’s situation is different; the market was rising over the years prior to his election. The question is can he continue this increase until November 2020; if not, and the market has a significant correction, there may be many who would turn against him.

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 1:59:05pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when Dennis Kucinich was a joke candidate but at least he had elected experience and thus experience with the process of government.

At this point, I’m fuck anyone that is polling at less than 5%. Not going to happen. trump wants to fuck us over. Drop out or face a lifetime of scorn.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 2:01:17pm

re: #146 I Would Prefer Not To

At this point, I’m fuck anyone that is polling at less than 5%. Not going to happen. trump wants to fuck us over. Drop out or face a lifetime of scorn.

Unfortunately, Bernie is well over 5% and, if nominated, he will definitely lose the election, unless, of course, Putin decides he prefers a sane puppet to the master of chaos he installed in 2016.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:03:24pm

re: #146 I Would Prefer Not To

At this point, I’m fuck anyone that is polling at less than 5%. Not going to happen. trump wants to fuck us over. Drop out or face a lifetime of scorn.

Yeah I think they need to narrow the field.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 2:04:14pm

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

These charts are deceptive; both Reagan and Obama entered the WH during financial crises when markets were significantly depressed. In these cases, you would expect an upsurge when the economy was being handled competently in response to these crises. Trump’s situation is different; the market was rising over the years prior to his election. The question is can he continue this increase until November 2020; if not, and the market has a significant correction, there may be many who would turn against him.

If you’re going by that criteria, so did Clinton. GWB had an economy that was due for a correction but implemented the Republican solution, tax cuts, which did nothing to strengthen the economy later. It’s a fairly good description of the appropriate reponses.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:05:29pm

re: #149 Belafon

If you’re going by that criteria, so did Clinton. GWB had an economy that was due for a correction but implemented the Republican solution, tax cuts, which did nothing to strengthen the economy later. It’s a fairly good description of the appropriate reponses.

Trickle down economics is a fairy tale.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 2:05:53pm

re: #149 Belafon

If you’re going by that criteria, so did Clinton. GWB had an economy that was due for a correction but implemented the Republican solution, tax cuts, which did nothing to strengthen the economy later. It’s a fairly good description of the appropriate reponses.

the article points out the circumstances of each administration

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:08:58pm

From the last thread (why am I up in the afternoon)?

re: #300 Patricia Kayden

She was arrested for freaking sex work and possession of drugs. Sex work needs to be decriminalized. Just awful that they would put someone with epilepsy in solitary confinement.

I am terrified that someone might jail me without medications. Because they are prohibited to sell to state governments with the death penalty, that would be a death sentence for me.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jul 31, 2019 • 2:10:31pm

In which is discovered, to no one’s surprise, that xenophobic tweeting-Brexiteers are as dim as xenophobic tweeting-Trumpers:

Tweeting Brexiteer dubbed ‘thick as mince’ after saying Cornish speaker was foreign

A Brexiteer has been mocked on Twitter after sending a hostile message to a person he thought was foreign - because their profile was written in Cornish.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:12:05pm

re: #224 DangerMan

virtually no one wants to ‘take your guns”

what we want is for every gun owner to control his weapon at all times. and to be held 100% totally personally, financially and legally responsible for everything done with that gun

that includes storing, brandishing, illegally carrying or transporting, “unintentional” discharges, irresponsible temporary or permanent transfers (sales or loans) to other people….

*everyone* should be for gun accountability

I own a gun. I have no trouble with registering it.

Interestingly, new guns are like any other product; the manufacturer has you sign a mail-in postcard to register the date you bought it for the manufacturer’s warranty.

If the government wanted to “round up guns,” they could just get the records from firearms manufacturers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:13:47pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I own a gun. I have no trouble with registering it.

Interestingly, new guns are like any other product; the manufacturer has you sign a mail-in postcard to register the date you bought it for the manufacturer’s warranty.

If the government wanted to “round up guns,” they could just get the records from firearms manufacturers.

Who else has a gun registry?

The Tiny Penis Club!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:14:31pm

re: #7 The Pie Overlord!

WTFITS

Got it. @MollyJongFast $100 to the charity of YOUR choice if you attend. A selfie with Charlie and you giving Trump-style thumbs up and it’s $200.

— JP Davis (@Karl_Dilkington) July 31, 2019

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:15:44pm

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

You would have to be on amphetamines to attend that insanity.

or barbiturates.

Hey, I have a bunch of those. Someone want to pay me to live-blog the insanity?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jul 31, 2019 • 2:17:10pm

Apparently it is national Avocado Day. Who knew?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus Jul 31, 2019 • 2:20:03pm

And, for those of you back East who eat our avocados, yes, that is how we get our avocados: they wash up on the shore, a gift of the Pacific ocean.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 2:20:35pm

re: #88 Kilroy was here

Another one bites the dust.

Texas GOP lawmaker Conaway announces retirement

thehill.com

GOOD! Good good good good good.

Beto, run for something in TX!! You’d be a shoe in!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:23:29pm

re: #16 The Pie Overlord!

Conservative parrots going on with Soviet-level whataboutism: Whaddabout AOC calling detention centres “Nazi concentration camps.”

I don’t believe “Nazi” was ever part of her statements regarding those camps, but Nazis didn’t invent the concept.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 2:25:26pm

re: #160 MsJ

GOOD! Good good good good good.

Beto, run for something in TX!! You’d be a shoe in!

He’s a resident of El Paso, meaning he’d have to run against the person who replaced him. If he ran for Senator, he’d have to run against MJ Hegar. And he could, but I’m supporting Hegar this year. Statewide elections are in 2022.

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William Lewis Jul 31, 2019 • 2:28:00pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservative parrots going on with Soviet-level whataboutism: Whaddabout AOC calling detention centres “Nazi concentration camps.”

I don’t believe “Nazi” was ever part of her statements regarding those camps, but Nazis didn’t invent the concept.

The first modern era ones were made by the British in South Africa against the Boers. Also not designed as death camps, the death toll was still appalling.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 2:34:25pm

re: #154 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I own a gun. I have no trouble with registering it.

Interestingly, new guns are like any other product; the manufacturer has you sign a mail-in postcard to register the date you bought it for the manufacturer’s warranty.

If the government wanted to “round up guns,” they could just get the records from firearms manufacturers.

sure, some they could
a lot they couldnt because so many have changed hands without a trail - ie privately

i long since gave up on ideas like ‘taking the guns’ and mandatory state or federal registration databases and the like: lists, checks, bans, limits, training, other “behavior” requirements, etc.

they are non starters with 2A activists and there will never be compliance.
the argument that it’s the first step on a slippery slope to confiscation becomes null and void when i concede: no databases.

no one should be against 100% personal responsibility. if not you, the owner, then who?

in fact all their arguments become null and void when the focus is on culling out those who are demonstrably irresponsible. i’m even for juries only of gun owners.

while no one should be against 100% personal responsibility and strict liability they still are. and it’s obvious why.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 2:35:23pm

re: #158 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Apparently it is national Avocado Day. Who knew?

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housing prices plummet as no one can afford to buy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 2:38:27pm

Are you fucking kidding me? https://t.co/bfvp4ZFpDy

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2019

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:41:16pm

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Conservative parrots going on with Soviet-level whataboutism: Whaddabout AOC calling detention centres “Nazi concentration camps.”

I don’t believe “Nazi” was ever part of her statements regarding those camps, but Nazis didn’t invent the concept.

She didn’t. She could have easily been talking about Gulags too. They just assumed Nazi because they know they’re supporting evil.

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DangerMan Jul 31, 2019 • 2:41:44pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sean couldnt get a real job
trump ruined his career (of course sean let him)

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:42:13pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who needs a meritocracy when you can just give jobs to your pals.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:43:36pm

re: #163 William Lewis

The first modern era ones were made by the British in South Africa against the Boers. Also not designed as death camps, the death toll was still appalling.

The Nazi camps weren’t all death camps either and the first ones were built in 1942.

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A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2019 • 2:43:45pm

re: #114 William Lewis

Yes! And if the kid wants dolls or cars and trucks and to like what the other gender is “supposed” to like, then let them do it. My daughter used to play Barbies in the mud while wearing boys sneakers and a dress. She is still she. At 3 such things are hard to sort out for everyone, mom,dad, kid, everyone. Patience and love and just letting them be a kid is really the best approach, part of being a family is figuring shit out as you go. A teenager will be much more articulate and understanding concepts like gender and sexuality. Figuring yourself out is a process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 2:44:52pm

Today is the 400th anniversary of the 1st enslaved Africans landing in America. We had 246 years of slavery followed by a century of JimCrow. That’s why I was proud passing our nation’s 1st apology, H Res 194 in 2008 and why I proudly held the first hearing on #reparations. https://t.co/lx4GSmNoB0

— Steve Cohen (@RepCohen) July 31, 2019

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2019 • 2:45:40pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stonekettle
@Stonekettle
Are you fucking kidding me?

JUST IN: Trump taps Sean Spicer for role on Navy Academy board https://t.co/tc2IkuowE6 pic.twitter.com/MQkE3XDsGO

— The Hill (@thehill) July 31, 2019

…

The Hill
✔
@thehill
JUST IN: Trump taps Sean Spicer for role on Navy Academy board hill.cm

So Sean has been in the US Navy Reserve since 1999 and he did get a master’s from the Naval War College in 2012. But he has never served in active duty. On what basis is he qualified for this position, or is this a typical background for those assigned to the board?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:46:20pm

re: #17 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

By absolute numbers of Syrian refugees, my state falls somewhere in the middle of acceptance.

By percentage of population, we are the number one state.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 2:46:47pm

re: #173 Hecuba’s daughter

So Sean has been in the US Navy Reserve since 1999 and he did get a master’s from the Naval War College in 2012. But he has never served in active duty. On what basis is he qualified for this position, or is this a typical background for those assigned to the board?

He’s one of the few remaining people willing to work with Trump.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:47:23pm

re: #173 Hecuba’s daughter

So Sean has been in the US Navy Reserve since 1999 and he did get a master’s from the Naval War College in 2012. But he has never served in active duty. On what basis is he qualified for this position, or is this a typical background for those assigned to the board?

Do you need to ask? Sorry to snark but this is definitely patronage.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 2:48:06pm

Raised 4 kids past age 3. Those little mofos will tell you they’re dinosaurs and ewoks.

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2019 • 2:51:13pm

re: #158 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Apparently it is national Avocado Day. Who knew?

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I’m in Orlando & by chance saw a guac themed food truck by the library. I stopped & celebrated the day.🥑

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:52:33pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

Crazy racist grandpa is now growing ever more paranoid.

businessinsider.com

Let him get more paranoid. The more enemies he thinks he has around him (like Nixon), the more he will make criminal mistakes.

Tossing FOX under a bus would be just the dessert Sean Hannity deserves.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 2:54:48pm

This is abuse of power and should be one of a LONG list of articles of impeachment. https://t.co/XOzy7I32bW

— Ed Bott (@edbott) July 31, 2019

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 2:55:14pm

re: #29 jaunte

That tweet has been deleted

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 2:56:01pm

re: #180 jaunte

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Impeach, put on trial, and then imprison him.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 2:56:45pm

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Trump’s?

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 2:56:54pm

re: #180 jaunte

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The nation is safer every day that the POTUS ticks-off the DoD.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 2:57:33pm

If you read the citation excerpts, the awards were given specifically because of the immense amount of work that was needed in a short time b/c of the turn over. pic.twitter.com/lkcYxS1GVJ

— Owen Barcala (@obarcala) July 31, 2019

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Dread Pirate Jul 31, 2019 • 3:01:45pm

Sen. Mitch McConnell: “There’s total agreement that the Russians were trying to impact the 2016 election. There’s also almost total agreement that in 2018 they failed totally, because of the great job done by the administration.” pic.twitter.com/FU29fPt1tt

— The Hill (@thehill) July 31, 2019

bullshit

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 3:02:59pm

re: #186 Dread Pirate

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bullshit

Bullshit. It was in spite of the administration. You and Trump need to share a cell and watch everything you’ve built fall.

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Dread Pirate Jul 31, 2019 • 3:05:32pm

Two of the Senate Majority Leader’s former top staffers lobbied on the development of a Kentucky mill backed by a $200 million investment from the Russian aluminum giant Rusal https://t.co/hDwF7ZDPjB

— POLITICO (@politico) July 31, 2019

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 3:08:13pm

re: #188 Dread Pirate

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The Kentucky Kremlin.

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The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 3:09:10pm

Police: Dozens of protesters arrested for blocking Detroit-Windsor Tunnel. https://t.co/dxUwLv8MCB pic.twitter.com/SzH8gTv540

— The Detroit News (@detroitnews) July 31, 2019

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 3:11:38pm

re: #188 Dread Pirate

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Just in: Sen. @RonWyden statement on our @politico story about McConnell’s former staffers lobbying for the Russian-backed Kentucky mill project: https://t.co/ENSRyXClqP pic.twitter.com/RTCkDVn4SP

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) July 31, 2019

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Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 3:12:10pm

re: #190 The Pie Overlord!

Good reminder that Trumps bullshit immigration policies have impacts that go beyond the Southern border.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 3:12:22pm

re: #49 jaunte

Wait a minute. I thought the trillion dollar tax cut for rich people was going to solve our economic problems.

— #TimeToImpeach - #IStandWithIlhan 🌹 (@MidSentryModern) July 31, 2019

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 3:19:17pm

Just a reminder about this Kentucky aluminum mill thing:
It was one of Bevin’s early pet projects in April 2017. There was a groundbreaking ceremony for it last year.
It was a deal between Bevin and Braidy Industries. Some background here.

It’s a $1.8 billion project and neither Braidy nor Kentucky has that kind of money.
Thus, Mitch’s Russians.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:28:10pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

So the money-raising is still not complete?

The company says it recently completed the “crowdfunding” portion of its common stock offering, which was capped at just over $1 million worth of shares.

Braidy CEO Craig Bouchard says Kentuckians make up an overwhelming majority of the 700 shareholders participating in the crowdfunding offering.

Bouchard says he expects all necessary financing for the project to be obtained within a few months. United Co. Rusal, a Russian aluminum company, plans to invest $200 million in the project. Rusal was under U.S. sanctions until earlier this year.

The proposed aluminum plant near Ashland is expected to create 550 jobs once production starts, expected in 2021
courier-journal.com.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 3:28:34pm

re: #195 jaunte

So the money-raising is still not complete?

not by a long shot

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:29:27pm

“…Rusal’s subsidiary can suspend or terminate its obligation to make the final, $100 million payment (or its monthly, $5 million installments) if Braidy has failed to secure its own $300 million contribution by the time they have surpassed the “fourth monthly anniversary” of the July 5 initial closing of the investment deal, the SEC filing said.”
courier-journal.com

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 3:32:30pm

re: #195 jaunte

So the money-raising is still not complete?

550 jobs. Ashland draws its workforce from KY, OH and WV.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 3:34:58pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Ashland draws its workforce from KY, OH and WV.

also, the plant is actually supposed to be built in South Shore, which really isn’t Ashland, just in the same county.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 3:35:59pm

re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, the plant is actually supposed to be built in South Shore, which really isn’t Ashland, just in the same county.

So it’s not much about KY jobs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 3:37:19pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

So it’s not much about KY jobs.

indeed.
I’d like to hear more about these “highly skilled” jobs that will pay $70K+ and how many eastern Kentuckians are qualified to get them.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 3:38:28pm

re: #77 calochortus

Wouldn’t that require women willing to bear his children? Or was he planning on enslaving enough women to make a genetic difference in pool of some 7.5 billion people?
Not the brightest bulb in the string, is he?

Large and small “L” libertarians constantly go on about eliminating age-of-consent laws, or arguing any woman you find on your property is now also your property.

There’s a reason there are so few women in the Libertarian Party.

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Dave In Austin Jul 31, 2019 • 3:39:35pm

Now every time I see Marianne Williamson I thing Madeline Kahn….. Now and Forever More.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 3:42:20pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Delaney needs to exit gracefully (ok, maybe that’s too late) but he was right in one aspect of his exchange on taxation: an annual wealth tax (except for the estate tax which should be increased) is impractical but an increase in capital gains tax is simple and practical.

Coward. You could stay and argue against Trump. However, in the remainder of your term you’re still going to vote religiously for everything Trump demands.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 3:43:36pm

re: #204 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Coward. You could stay and argue against Trump. However, in the remainder of your term you’re still going to vote religiously for everything Trump demands.

I think you’re quoting the wrong person.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 3:44:12pm

re: #205 Belafon

I think you’re quoting the wrong person.

Delaney isn’t in Congress period.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:45:11pm

Let’s note amid it all that today the Senate confirmed Kelly Knight Craft to be ambassador to the UN, an important post that will now be diminished by her complete unsuitability for it. Which is the intention.

— David Rothkopf (@djrothkopf) July 31, 2019

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 3:45:45pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Go figure that U.S. Catholic Bishops purposefully couch Trump admin criticism as just “The Administration” but when they were criticizing the admin under Obama, it was “The Obama Administration”.

As I’ve noted before, no Christian denomination’s official body, none, has called out Trump’s racism or graft, just as they won’t call out Evangelical organisations such as the NIFB.

There is a reason I call church organisations “fifth columnists.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Jul 31, 2019 • 3:45:58pm

In response to the question about which major cities went Trump in 2016, none other than Lubbock, Texas voted 68% Trump. This is the highest infestation I can find among the 100 largest American cities (Lubbock is 87th on that list.)
google.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 3:46:44pm

re: #205 Belafon

I think you’re quoting the wrong person.

Correct. I hit “reply” on the wrong comment. I meant the one about Rep. Conaway announcing he’s not seeking another term in Congress.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 3:47:40pm

re: #44 jaunte

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Why is this not the plan, Tom Perez?

I guess the first question is, where do you get the moderators? If they’re not members of the media, who will they be and what are their qualifications?

The second question would be, how would it be any different than what we have now? The party set the requirements to get on stage (and obviously set them too low since 20 candidates qualified).

Third question: what happens if the networks decline the invitation to cover the event?

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Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 3:49:14pm

re: #211 KGxvi

I guess the first question is, where do you get the moderators? If they’re not members of the media, who will they be and what are their qualifications?

The second question would be, how would it be any different than what we have now? The party set the requirements to get on stage (and obviously set them too low since 20 candidates qualified).

Third question: what happens if the networks decline the invitation to cover the event?

Youtube live, Facebook live, Hulu live, etc. There are plenty of options on that one at least.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 3:50:21pm

re: #211 KGxvi

I guess the first question is, where do you get the moderators? If they’re not members of the media, who will they be and what are their qualifications?

The second question would be, how would it be any different than what we have now? The party set the requirements to get on stage (and obviously set them too low since 20 candidates qualified).

Third question: what happens if the networks decline the invitation to cover the event?

Put all of them on stage, each randomly to answer questions from bright highschool students in the audience.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 3:50:42pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Delaney needs to exit gracefully (ok, maybe that’s too late) but he was right in one aspect of his exchange on taxation: an annual wealth tax (except for the estate tax which should be increased) is impractical but an increase in capital gains tax is simple and practical.

The wealth tax, as offered is also probably unconstitutional. Per Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers

That apportionment requirement is why we don’t have federal property taxes, they’re incredibly complex.

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 3:51:11pm

re: #211 KGxvi

I guess the first question is, where do you get the moderators? If they’re not members of the media, who will they be and what are their qualifications?

The second question would be, how would it be any different than what we have now? The party set the requirements to get on stage (and obviously set them too low since 20 candidates qualified).

Third question: what happens if the networks decline the invitation to cover the event?

Goodness, if we had someone like Jim Lehrer now. He wasn’t perfect—no one is—but he was perfect at giving the impression of complete objectivity.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:51:29pm

re: #211 KGxvi

I don’t have all the details worked out, but I think it could be handled better than what’s currently going on, including tougher requirements.
More one on one debates would be good. Highlights reels provided to the media.
Third: Promise the media wrestling and fireworks.

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Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 3:52:25pm

re: #102 steve_davis

I don’t know anything about child psychology either, but I’ll admit, if a 3 year-old boy told me he was a girl, I would assume it was a phase, because 3 year-olds don’t know shit about anything. If a 12 year-old boy tells me he’s a girl, then that’s a different story.

My friend felt he was a girl and lived that way until they entered school. Spent the next 50 years pretending to be a boy. Tired of depression they transitioned to a woman. Finally at peace, more than that ecstatic to be herself. . I think we’re all better off getting rid of gender based shit. Who cares who wears pants or a skirt or who plays with which toys. That’s the fucking problem in so many ways.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:53:10pm

Imagine how much more time the network prime-time newscasts would have to report *news* if they didn’t repeat their teases over & over.

— Don McKennan (@donmckennan) July 31, 2019

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jaunte Jul 31, 2019 • 3:54:24pm

It would add at least 15% more time to news segments if all the “introductions” were just superimposed in type.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 3:55:34pm

For what it’s worth, I do think that these early presidential debates are probably the worst way we could do them. I’m just not sure there’s a better way, especially with a wide open field like the Dems have this year and the GOP had in 2016.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 3:55:52pm

re: #217 Old Liberal

My friend felt he was a girl and lived that way until they entered school. Spent the next 50 years pretending to be a boy. Tired of depression they transitioned to a woman. Finally at peace, more than that ecstatic to be herself. . I think we’re all better off getting rid of gender based shit. Who cares who wears pants or a skirt or who plays with which toys. That’s the fucking problem in so many ways.

With women in combat MOSs, guns and model fighters are no longer “boy” toys.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 3:56:02pm

John Delaney was on Fox “News” this morning weeping about how mean Warren was to him last night.

He isn’t running for president. He’s trying out for the part of the guy on Fox who says everything the right-wingers say, but begins it with “I’m a Democrat and even I think…”

— Victor Laszlo (@Impolitics) July 31, 2019

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William Lewis Jul 31, 2019 • 3:59:32pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yep. Just as I predicted, the national cathedral is not national enough. Just like a rwnj complaining about liberal Muslims not condemning terrorists, we will never do enough because belief is inherently evil in your mind.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:02:03pm

re: #99 steve_davis

I give up. Every goddamned time I buy a stock, something happens that just kicks the legs out from under it. In the last six months, I’ve owned Johnson and Johnson, Abbvie, and Exxon. A week after JNJ purchase, it turns out they’re responsible for killing babies during the Holocaust. Billions of dollars in liability. Abbvie, responsible for killing everyone who wasn’t a baby during the holocaust. Stock dives days after purchase. Yesterday, I bought Exxon. They didn’t kill anybody during the holocaust, but they very much wanted to. Down a buck today. Just fuck it.

The stock market exists to transfer wealth from middle class people with enough money to wealthy people.

It does not exist as an investment except for the very rich.

Note during the Great Depression very few wealthy people actually lost money on the market.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2019 • 4:02:43pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Note during the Great Depression very few wealthy people actually lost money on the market.

The same is also true of the Great Recession.

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Patricia Kayden Jul 31, 2019 • 4:04:02pm

You literally asked the questions about the socialism at the debate you held https://t.co/arewRC0xx4

— the unstoppable huggernaut (@jesseltaylor) July 31, 2019

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:05:50pm

FTC warns those who choose cash in Equifax settlement will get ‘nowhere near’ $125 https://t.co/17R4SRQWWL

— WalterSmith-Randolph (@WalterReports) July 31, 2019

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:06:09pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹🎃

As I’ve noted before, no Christian denomination’s official body, none, has called out Trump’s racism or graft, just as they won’t call out Evangelical organisations such as the NIFB.

There is a reason I call church organisations “fifth columnists.”

Organized Christianity that isn’t willing to go “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” vs. the prosperity gospel and assorted other heresies of the US Religious Right isn’t worth much.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:06:15pm

re: #108 Hecuba’s daughter

Peter Principle — The fault is not his — he is totally incompetent and should never have accepted the appointment but then the fault really lies with the Senate who should never have approved him. Surgeon General — maybe — but HUD? no way. I don’t blame Trump for this — Trump knows and understands nothing about government. But the GOP Senators — they are the ones who knowingly and deliberately failed their responsibilities

I do. He appointed Carson to HUD because he’s a black guy, they know all about those “inner city hellholes” that blacks don’t want to live in.

Plus, deflect racism charges. “See, I have a black guy in my cabinet.”

Carson himself ran for President (early on in the race my county was flooded with Carson stickers). If he’s not qualified for HUD, he’s certainly not qualified for President.

Ultimately, Carson is a conservative, and they believe in grasping and expanding their power. Considering he’s also a religious wingnut, he fits right in.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:07:24pm

re: #228 EPR-radar

Organized Christianity that isn’t willing to go “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” vs. the prosperity gospel and assorted other heresies of the US Religious Right isn’t worth much.

Mandatory Jonathan Edwards upding.

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 4:07:32pm

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The stock market exists to transfer wealth from middle class people with enough money to wealthy people.

It does not exist as an investment except for the very rich.

Note during the Great Depression very few wealthy people actually lost money on the market.

I’m not rich and I’m made money since 2009. How? the market is going up. The problem is most people don’t have the money to invest. The game is rigged, you just got to know that going in.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:10:02pm

re: #112 Hecuba’s daughter

My 5 year old grand niece was in class with another child last year who announced they were now a boy and is being treated as one. I share your feelings that this age is too young to make such a decision.

The same argument I heard from my religious family members (before they disowned me); he’s too young to know he doesn’t believe in God, it’s just a phase, he can’t know that at five.

If she announced “I’m a girl” no one would bat an eyelid.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 4:11:25pm

re: #231 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m not rich and I’m made money since 2009. How? the market is going up. The problem is most people don’t have the money to invest. The game is rigged, you just got to know that going in.

Most ordinary people can’t be day traders. But you throw some money in an index fund or you invest in some quality long term brands, you’ll probably do ok… in the long run (meaning at least a decade).

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:13:02pm

re: #117 Citizen K

If we truly care about lifting up every voice and fighting on behalf of the issues that keep Americans up at night, let’s start by making our conversations civil and productive. #YouDontHaveToYell pic.twitter.com/OLsP1qeSze

— Tim Ryan (@TimRyan) July 31, 2019

Ooh, tone policing (let’s all be civil). Same argument used against suffragettes. Same argument used in the Civil Rights Era by racists.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 4:13:37pm

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The same argument I heard from my religious family members (before they disowned me); he’s too young to know he doesn’t believe in God, it’s just a phase, he can’t know that at five.

If she announced “I’m a girl” no one would bat an eyelid.

It’s strange… a lot of the anti-trans stuff I hear these days remind me of a lot of the anti-gay stuff I remember hearing as a kid/teenager. Just recycled for the new scary “other” group.

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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:14:17pm

re: #217 Old Liberal

My friend felt he was a girl and lived that way until they entered school. Spent the next 50 years pretending to be a boy. Tired of depression they transitioned to a woman. Finally at peace, more than that ecstatic to be herself. . I think we’re all better off getting rid of gender based shit. Who cares who wears pants or a skirt or who plays with which toys. That’s the fucking problem in so many ways.

I thought I was John Denver.

My parents rolled with it.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:15:01pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Ooh, tone policing (let’s all be civil). Same argument used against suffragettes. Same argument used in the Civil Rights Era by racists.

WHO THE FUCK IS TIM RYAN?

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2019 • 4:15:38pm

re: #163 William Lewis

The first modern era ones were made by the British in South Africa against the Boers. Also not designed as death camps, the death toll was still appalling.

From “Years and Years” —dramatic speech about the Boer camps. (I’ll hide it in case anyone hasn’t watched yet)

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2019 • 4:16:03pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

WHO THE FUCK IS TIM RYAN?

I have two rules:

1. Never trust a grown man with a little kids name (Jimmy, Timmy, Tommy, Johnny, etc)
2. Never trust a man with two first names

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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:17:14pm

re: #223 William Lewis

Yep. Just as I predicted, the national cathedral is not national enough. Just like a rwnj complaining about liberal Muslims not condemning terrorists, we will never do enough because belief is inherently evil in your mind.

It is LITERALLY the seat of the Episcopal Church in the U.S. 😂 There IS nothing higher.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:17:51pm

re: #239 KGxvi

I have two rules:

1. Never trust a grown man with a little kids name (Jimmy, Timmy, Tommy, Johnny, etc)
2. Never trust a man with two first names

3. John Wayne Anything.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches) Jul 31, 2019 • 4:18:35pm

re: #63 lawhawk

There’s actual video of this, and I think we can confirm that dude got knocked clean out of his shoes. We have the photo/video evidence. Myth - confirmed.

The full video shows the OG getting tossed to the ground, then the young kid kinda victory jogs away.

Then the OG gets up, puts his Kangol back on and takes care of business.

Here is the start of that fight pic.twitter.com/AVPhQP2y1T

— Beau Cotter (@RUN__BMC) July 31, 2019

As the comments say, in the aftermath, there was the moment where the kid on the ground got the lecture: “I didn’t want to have to do that to you, but apparently you needed a lesson. Now think on that.”

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:19:03pm

Flash flood watch just issued for tomorrow in SW South Dakota, NE Wyoming, and the Nebraska Panhandle, due to monsoon-type rain now in Wyoming.

forecast.weather.gov

The Beerline Canal (an irrigation canal which runs about half a block from my house and for which I have drawing rights on but that’s another story) is full to its banks. Any significant rain and my house will be flooded.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:20:09pm

With respect to the OP, roughly 40% of the US electorate does, in fact, have no decency.

That’s why US politics is so difficult.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:21:49pm

Fucking hell.

oomfies solve this pic.twitter.com/0RO5zTJjKk

— em ♥︎ (@pjmdolI) July 28, 2019

Show your work.
(No cheating by going to Twitter)

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Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 4:24:21pm

re: #231 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m not rich and I’m made money since 2009. How? the market is going up. The problem is most people don’t have the money to invest. The game is rigged, you just got to know that going in.

It would take a moron to have not made money since 2009. It’s amazing how just a month or two difference in date parameters makes a big difference in rate of return.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:24:43pm

re: #245 MsJ

That’s a severe trick question.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:25:19pm

re: #247 EPR-radar

That’s a severe trick question.

Why so? It seemed easy enough to me.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches) Jul 31, 2019 • 4:25:27pm

re: #104 steve_davis

he did that in loafers for crying out loud!

There are many quotes about how a hat like that, a thick-shouldered build like that, and loafers with dark jeans are warning signs, like the markings on a poisonous reptile, nature’s way of saying “Do not mess with.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:25:35pm

Equifax has botched its response to the data breach at every step. We can’t count on @Equifax to do the right thing. We need to pass laws that will actually hold them accountable—and I’ve got a bill to do just that. https://t.co/X8Q3ICoODU

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) July 31, 2019

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 4:25:39pm

re: #246 Old Liberal

It would take a moron to have not made money since 2009. It’s amazing how just a month or two difference in date parameters makes a big difference in rate of return.

My point is that if you do an index fund you will make money in the long run. and you don’t have to be rich.

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:26:18pm

re: #236 BlueGrl21

I thought I was John Denver.

My parents rolled with it.

You got the glasses, didn’t you!

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plansbandc Jul 31, 2019 • 4:27:27pm

re: #235 KGxvi

What’s sad is that there’s a way too big percentage of gay people who hate transgender people.

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:28:54pm

re: #248 MsJ

Why so? It seemed easy enough to me.

This is roughly where I ended my math career, so I’m an expert. 16

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Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 4:28:58pm

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Ooh, tone policing (let’s all be civil). Same argument used against suffragettes. Same argument used in the Civil Rights Era by racists.

Let’s discuss why kidnapping infants from parents as some kind of deterrence is ok or not ok. Let’s discuss why having a president who lies over 10,000 times in less than three years is a problem or not a problem. Civility will save the day when dealing with fascists.

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I Would Prefer Not To Jul 31, 2019 • 4:29:49pm

re: #255 Old Liberal

Let’s discuss why kidnapping infants from parents as some kind of deterrence is ok or not ok. Let’s discuss why having a president who lies over 10,000 times in less than three years is a problem or not a problem. Civility will save the day when dealing with fascists.

If we are civil, we lose.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:30:02pm

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

This is roughly where I ended my math career, so I’m an expert. 16

Show your work.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:30:15pm

re: #235 KGxvi

It’s strange… a lot of the anti-trans stuff I hear these days remind me of a lot of the anti-gay stuff I remember hearing as a kid/teenager. Just recycled for the new scary “other” group.

It’s the religious right’s new shift after losing the same sex marriage battle.

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Patricia Kayden Jul 31, 2019 • 4:30:46pm

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:32:16pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wife and I will gladly give up a potential $250 to see Equifax dissolved.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:32:21pm

re: #248 MsJ

Why so? It seemed easy enough to me.

Right to left or left to right for precedence of division is an arbitrary convention.

For multiplication it doesn’t matter, and for division fraction bars and parentheses should be used as needed to make what’s being divided by what clear.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:32:36pm

re: #254 Barefoot Grin

This is roughly where I ended my math career, so I’m an expert. 16

What were your order of operations?

This is my work:

D+UgVyUzI46u9hqQFI5i7pMdMMOtL3S7q8J/zNZmvLqformexdMNxo/kYZuGgz/t

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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:33:50pm

re: #252 Barefoot Grin

You got the glasses, didn’t you!

Yes, and they called me John for a year.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:34:15pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

Right to left or left to right for precedence of division is an arbitrary convention.

For multiplication it doesn’t matter, and for division fraction bars and parentheses should be used as needed to make what’s being divided by what clear.

Isn’t there a specific order of operations where L/R don’t matter?

PADMAS, BADMAS, Something?

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:34:31pm

re: #262 MsJ

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:35:58pm

re: #263 BlueGrl21

Yes, and they called me John for a year.

You’ll like this then. My little niece knows Country Roads almost by heart. Never thought I’d see the day where my brother whose youthful tastes included the Wu Tang Clan would be listening to John Denver lol. But both are and were great at what they do.

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Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 4:36:01pm

re: #263 BlueGrl21

Yes, and they called me John for a year.

I think that’s amazing. Bravo.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:36:03pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I can’t get any of the several pithy quotations out of here, due to sticky cookies.

from outside or inside the deck looks stacked

Elizabeth Warren in 2014

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:36:43pm

re: #257 MsJ

Show your work.

I’m so far in the thread I can’t even remember the problem, dude [me as an 8th grader]

I would have done the 8/2 and then x 2+2, which would be 16. Though now I guess it could be 8/ 2(2+2), which would be 1.

I haven’t looked at your work yet, but will after I post this.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:36:48pm

re: #264 MsJ

Isn’t there a specific order of operations where L/R don’t matter?

PADMAS, BADMAS, Something?

Yes PADMAS I believe and I was promised no more math in 2007.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:37:19pm

re: #211 KGxvi

I guess the first question is, where do you get the moderators? If they’re not members of the media, who will they be and what are their qualifications?

The League of Women Voters has long experience in this.

The second question would be, how would it be any different than what we have now? The party set the requirements to get on stage (and obviously set them too low since 20 candidates qualified).

Set higher requirements.

Third question: what happens if the networks decline the invitation to cover the event?

Livestreams. YouTube. PornHub. If the media wants to make themselves irrelevant that’s on them. My guess is they would cover it anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:38:52pm

re: #262 MsJ

What were your order of operations?

This is my work:

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I agree with your work. I saw 2(2+2) as an actual complete expression.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2019 • 4:39:29pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Old Liberal Jul 31, 2019 • 4:39:42pm

re: #271 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The League of Women Voters has long experience in this.

Set higher requirements.

Livestreams. YouTube. PornHub. If the media wants to make themselves irrelevant that’s on them. My guess is they would cover it anyway.

I’m all for this. But as with all institutions it will get corrupted. Fucking people are the problem. Cheating lying fucking people.

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Teddy's Person Jul 31, 2019 • 4:40:12pm

re: #257 MsJ

Show your work.

Here are the order of operations:
Parenthesis or other grouping symbols (brackets, braces, fraction bars)
Exponents
Divide and multiply from left to right (like reading a sentence)
Add and subtract from left to right

8 (divided by) 2(2+2)
8 (divided by) 2(4)
4(4) = 16

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:40:15pm

re: #214 KGxvi

The wealth tax, as offered is also probably unconstitutional. Per Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

That apportionment requirement is why we don’t have federal property taxes, they’re incredibly complex.

Capital gains tax (cough), inheritance tax (cough).

Wealth taxes are not inherently unconstitutional. They are if they target specific people. A wealth tax targets piles of hoarded money.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:41:28pm

re: #275 Teddy’s Person

Here are the order of operations:
Parenthesis or other grouping symbols (brackets, braces, fraction bars)
Exponents
Divide and multiply from left to right (like reading a sentence)
Add and subtract from left to right

8 (divided by) 2(2+2)
8 (divided by) 2(4)
4(4) = 16

There we go. It was Pedmas
People
Enjoy
Donuts
Mostly
Always
Saturday

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:41:57pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

I agree with your work. I saw 2(2+2) as an actual complete expression.

I suck at math so I questioned myself. I asked my math-tutoring engineer husband and he said I was right. Then I look at Twitter and I was like FUCKING HELL.

Like 80% said my solve was right and 20% said the other answer was right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:42:13pm

re: #275 Teddy’s Person

Here are the order of operations:
Parenthesis or other grouping symbols (brackets, braces, fraction bars)
Exponents
Divide and multiply from left to right (like reading a sentence)
Add and subtract from left to right

8 (divided by) 2(2+2)
8 (divided by) 2(4)
4(4) = 16

[Marianne Williamson]:
This is just a mathematical distraction from the self-actualizing energy that divides us rather than multiplies us!!!

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Teddy's Person Jul 31, 2019 • 4:42:57pm

re: #264 MsJ

Isn’t there a specific order of operations where L/R don’t matter?

PADMAS, BADMAS, Something?

No, the left to right matters. I’ve taught math. Student learn PEDMAS, and it drove me crazy because the acronym doesn’t include that instruction.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:43:21pm

re: #278 MsJ

I suck at math so I questioned myself. I asked my math-tutoring engineer husband and he said I was right. Then I look at Twitter and I was like FUCKING HELL.

Like 80% said my solve was right and 20% said the other answer was right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Is this like that 2 color dress?

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:43:31pm

And remember folks, don’t drink and derive…

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:44:14pm

re: #278 MsJ

I suck at math so I questioned myself. I asked my math-tutoring engineer husband and he said I was right. Then I look at Twitter and I was like FUCKING HELL.

Like 80% said my solve was right and 20% said the other answer was right. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That’s a sign that this isn’t really a math question — it’s a question about which rules are being used to deal with ambiguity. E.g., en.wikipedia.org

However, in some of the academic literature, multiplication denoted by juxtaposition (also known as implied multiplication) is interpreted as having higher precedence than division, so that 1 ÷ 2x equals 1 ÷ (2x), not (1 ÷ 2)x.

For example, the manuscript submission instructions for the Physical Review journals state that multiplication is of higher precedence than division with a slash, and this is also the convention observed in prominent physics textbooks such as the Course of Theoretical Physics by Landau and Lifshitz and the Feynman Lectures on Physics.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2019 • 4:45:11pm

re: #283 EPR-radar

That’s a sign that this isn’t really a math question — it’s a question about which rules are being used to deal with ambiguity. E.g., en.wikipedia.org

This also comes up only with the short forms of division (using /, or ÷) - if you use the full form of division, with the numerator and denominator explicit, the ambiguity disappears.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:45:38pm

I remember seventh grade math. I had it seventh period. Teacher was a legitimate hard ass at least to 12 year old me. Closest I ever got to summer school was that class but I passed thanks to the other teacher in that class. So when right wing policies cut special ed, it’s personal here.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:45:42pm

re: #283 EPR-radar

That’s a sign that this isn’t really a math question — it’s a question about which rules are being used to deal with ambiguity. E.g., en.wikipedia.org

So 20% of the Mars launches will arrive at Titan.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:45:54pm

re: #283 EPR-radar

That’s a sign that this isn’t really a math question — it’s a question about which rules are being used to deal with ambiguity. E.g., en.wikipedia.org

It’s always the juxtapositioning.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:47:38pm

re: #280 Teddy’s Person

No, the left to right matters. I’ve taught math. Student learn PEDMAS, and it drove me crazy because the acronym doesn’t include that instruction.

I did not know that.

Apparently they teach different things in different countries (per Twitter). I was thinking like Asia vs the West but Canada used BEDMAS (neither of which I know… Just the operations without the L/R) which results in 1.

So my math skills still suck.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:48:23pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

Is this like that 2 color dress?

Apparently. That bloody dress thing originated in England, IIRC. 😁

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:49:05pm

re: #283 EPR-radar

That’s a sign that this isn’t really a math question — it’s a question about which rules are being used to deal with ambiguity. E.g., en.wikipedia.org

there ya go. For the answer to be 16 the expression should be written:
(8÷2)(2+2)=?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:49:09pm

re: #223 William Lewis

Yep. Just as I predicted, the national cathedral is not national enough. Just like a rwnj complaining about liberal Muslims not condemning terrorists, we will never do enough because belief is inherently evil in your mind.

I said church organisations, not individuals or specific churches. And the National Cathedral doesn’t include the people who are not Christians, so it does not represent the whole country.

The National Cathedral is an important church, but only one Episcopal Church. Its oversight body has not condemned Trump’s racism by name (see the comment made above about the organsation of Catholic bishops and the Catholic Church’s selective outrage against Obama versus Trump).

They have not condemned the NIFB’s desire to use the State to kill LGBT people (though individual churches and parishioners have). No church organsiation has.

The key word in all that is “organisation.”

Nice strawman, by the way, saying “all belief is evil in your mind.” I never said nor implied any such thing. I don’t believe any religious assertion has met a burden of proof sufficient for adoption. That is not “belief is evil.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:50:39pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

there ya go. For the answer to be 16 the expression should be written:
(8÷2)(2+2)=?

I prefer clarity to ambiguity.

sometimes.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 4:51:51pm

re: #226 Patricia Kayden

CNN apparently missed this said in the debate they moderated:

If we embrace a far-left agenda, they’re going to say we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. If we embrace a conservative agenda, they’re going to say we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. So let’s stand up for the right policy, go up there, and defend it. #DemDebate pic.twitter.com/5bkwuC1wLl

— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) July 31, 2019

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Teddy's Person Jul 31, 2019 • 4:52:19pm

re: #288 MsJ

I did not know that.

Apparently they teach different things in different countries (per Twitter). I was thinking like Asia vs the West but Canada used BEDMAS (neither of which I know… Just the operations without the L/R) which results in 1.

So my math skills still suck.

They do. I’ve had students from China in my class, and I always enjoyed talking with them about they way they learned things in China.

The biggest problem with the acronym was PEDMAS suggests that division come before multiplication (and addition before subtraction) instead of the left to right rule. Once I acknowledged PEDMAS as something they heard of before, I never spoke it again. The students that did the best in the course were the students who mastered the order of operations or never relied on PEDMAS.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 4:52:23pm

re: #288 MsJ

I did not know that.

Apparently they teach different things in different countries (per Twitter). I was thinking like Asia vs the West but Canada used BEDMAS (neither of which I know… Just the operations without the L/R) which results in 1.

So my math skills still suck.

I was great at basic math. I can still do quick calculations in my head faster than most but get to algebra and I’m useless. I have a love hate relationship with mathematics.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:52:51pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

I prefer clarity to ambiguity.

sometimes.

What percentage of the time?

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 4:54:34pm

re: #284 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

This also comes up only with the short forms of division (using /, or ÷) - if you use the full form of division, with the numerator and denominator explicit, the ambiguity disappears.

Exactly. In fact, if I were doing technical editing for a living, I’d reject any equations with ambiguous division like this.

The reason the same issue doesn’t show up for subtraction is that something like this
a + b - c + d
is always interpreted as a + b + (-c) + d, and then there’s no way to get to a different result by adding in different orders.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:54:35pm

re: #296 wrenchwench

What percentage of the time?

50/50?

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Dread Pirate Jul 31, 2019 • 4:54:43pm

It’s PEMDAS

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:54:55pm

Lest anyone get comfortable, there are two geographic/historical definitions of “billion”.

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Teddy's Person Jul 31, 2019 • 4:54:56pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

there ya go. For the answer to be 16 the expression should be written:
(8÷2)(2+2)=?

Saying that to a mathematician is like telling a writer you want more commas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:55:37pm

re: #301 Teddy’s Person

Saying that to a mathematician is like telling a writer you want more commas.

LOL

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:55:50pm

re: #298 MsJ

50/50?

That works for almost everything. It either will, or it won’t.

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2019 • 4:56:46pm

re: #303 wrenchwench

That works for almost everything. It either will, or it won’t.

indica/sativa, for example.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 4:57:04pm

just in time for another “debate”:

Some are born without a purpose other than prolonged demise in ornate ways. pic.twitter.com/n54IM0Hb9H

— Black Metal Cats (@evilbmcats) July 31, 2019

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 4:57:08pm

re: #303 wrenchwench

That works for almost everything. It either will, or it won’t.

That was Mickey Roark’s come-on line in Berlin, I Llove You. Saw it last night.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:57:09pm

re: #301 Teddy’s Person

Saying that to a mathematician is like telling a writer you want more commas.

We hadd,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, one of those…

hi tfk

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2019 • 4:57:31pm

re: #297 EPR-radar

Exactly. In fact, if I were doing technical editing for a living, I’d reject any equations with ambiguous division like this.

The reason the same issue doesn’t show up for subtraction is that something like this
a + b - c + d
is always interpreted as a + b + (-c) + d, and then there’s no way to get to a different result by adding in different orders.

To be fair, though, you can write x / y * z as x * (1 / y) * z, which is how you apply the left-to-right rule to multiplication and division.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 4:57:52pm

re: #301 Teddy’s Person

Saying that to a mathematician is like telling a writer you want more commas.

FTR, I’m pro more commas. 😂

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2019 • 4:58:52pm

re: #309 MsJ

FTR, I’m pro more commas. 😂

Oxford Comma, Walken Comma, or Shatner Comma?

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 4:59:09pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

That was Mickey Roark’s come-on line in Berlin, I Llove You. Saw it last night.

I got it from my cousin who majored in statistics, so I took it as truth.

maybe.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 4:59:10pm

re: #212 Eclectic Cyborg

Youtube live, Facebook live, Hulu live, etc. There are plenty of options on that one at least.

Appealing to the people who are already paying attention.

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The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 4:59:19pm

re: #245 MsJ

Fucking hell.

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Show your work.
(No cheating by going to Twitter)

The answer is: the absolute value of e**i**π

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 5:00:26pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oxford Comma, Walken Comma, or Shatner Comma?

Yes. Like that. 😁

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 5:00:31pm

Morning: The president puts his own self-compliment in quotation marks to create the impression that someone else said it

Evening: The president misquotes himself https://t.co/os6C8u6Jp9

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 31, 2019

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:01:51pm

re: #231 I Would Prefer Not To

I’m not rich and I’m made money since 2009. How? the market is going up. The problem is most people don’t have the money to invest. The game is rigged, you just got to know that going in.

Not much different than a casino really. The huge investment houses and banks which literally try to situate their trading servers as close as possible to those recording the trades at the NYSE because milliseconds count make trading through a broker out here in Tumbleweedlandia a lost cause.

That, and you need money anyway, and I don’t have that.

In a dramatic downturn of the market, who are the brokers and traders going to pay attention to in the “sell” orders first? The ultra-wealthy investors, or mom and pop with ten shares of AT&T. They’ll get around to mom and pop after they’re finished with the million shares to sell from a hedge fund.

That’s the part I mean about the stock market being about wealth transfer from the middle class to the rich. Hundreds of thousands of people were wiped out in the Dot-Com bubble. Other than Dot-Com companies, no significant business or trading house was.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 5:02:08pm

heh

Be the reason why a nun clutches her Rosary when you walk by.

— Doth (@DothTheDoth) July 31, 2019

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:02:28pm

re: #315 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s fucking deluded.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:02:53pm

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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Are my tats good enough?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 5:03:32pm

Next: she knows more than the generals about military strategy. https://t.co/93J5DmJV9v

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2019

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 5:04:02pm

re: #308 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

To be fair, though, you can write x / y * z as x * (1 / y) * z, which is how you apply the left-to-right rule to multiplication and division.

I just learned something interesting. Left to right like this is equivalent to replacing the division signs as above even in more complicated cases, like a / b x c / d x e.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 5:05:00pm

In a cab in Yorkshire.

My (v nice but v alpha male) taxi driver has ‘蛋炒饭’ tattooed on his forearm.

For non Mandarin speakers, this translates to ‘Egg fried rice’.

Either a big fan or someone, somewhere is using a takeaway menu in their tatt parlour.

Am too scared to ask.

— James Wong (@Botanygeek) July 31, 2019

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2019 • 5:05:30pm

The irony of Trump believing he needs to clarify “dumb” here. https://t.co/uBKgcrAwRL

— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) July 31, 2019

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 5:05:38pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

I got it from my cousin who majored in statistics, so I took it as truth.

maybe.

At 0:58.

BERLIN, I LOVE YOU Official Trailer (2019) Keira Knightley, Helen Mirren Movie HD

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The Pie Overlord! Jul 31, 2019 • 5:07:40pm

JFC the media is fucking PROMOTING Marianne like they want her to be the Dem nominee.

Remember at this time in 2015 Jeb was leading the pack & Trump was at 1%.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:08:04pm

re: #235 KGxvi

It’s strange… a lot of the anti-trans stuff I hear these days remind me of a lot of the anti-gay stuff I remember hearing as a kid/teenager. Just recycled for the new scary “other” group.

Yup, same arguments, different group under attack.

I’ve posted here before (so I won’t do it now) the video of a pastor in Springfield, Missouri using Biblical arguments speaking against an ordinance which would extend equal treatment rights to LGBT people.

He was trolling the city council and bigots attending the meeting, using exact quotes from the Jim Crow era against desegregation peddled by pastors in that city at that time.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:09:04pm

re: #325 The Pie Overlord!

JFC the media is fucking PROMOTING Marianne like they want her to be the Dem nominee.

Remember at this time in 2015 Jeb was leading the pack & Trump was at 1%.

If it’s her and Trump. I’m outta here.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 5:09:27pm

re: #247 EPR-radar

That’s a severe trick question.

It would be interesting to see how many people get

8 / 2 * 4

correct vs.

8 / 2(2+2)

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:10:05pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To be fair, I have pierogi power tattooed in Irish on my knee.//

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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:10:54pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“I can see Russia from my house.”

It disturbs me Williamson is being treated with affection by anyone. Her religious philosophy, especially towards mental health and medical care, is dangerous and I am confident has cost the lives of some of her adherents. Not being hyperbolic.

331

BeachDem Jul 31, 2019 • 5:11:03pm

Well, night two of the WWE debates is beginning. I need a drink. (and, preemptively, did you know Tulsi was in the military?)

332

Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel Jul 31, 2019 • 5:11:54pm

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

333

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:12:04pm

re: #330 BlueGrl21

“I can see Russia from my house.”

It disturbs me she is being treated with affection by anyone. Her religious philosophy, especially towards mental health and medical care, is dangerous and I am confident has cost the lives of some of her adherents. Not being hyperbolic.

Yeah it really is dangerous. God what the hell is wrong with this country?

334

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:12:56pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

I dunno. I hate stopping to their level but otoh I don’t give a fuck if they’re offended.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 5:13:14pm

re: #262 MsJ

What were your order of operations?

This is my work:

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eErt2zG+w1920jR0sy/G2t+EQhdFd71D4/pQHvnJVv7+eYDEs8y22mCv6Z5pddA6GQYkXqK8nqrC+yIOgIgwcwo667pY5eIQvrkNAjYZCtIeOpLriyZiABb0fSwJCDeze+P9gFbV2LYxiYni7MgUFw==

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 5:14:31pm

re: #269 Barefoot Grin

I’m so far in the thread I can’t even remember the problem, dude [me as an 8th grader]

I would have done the 8/2 and then x 2+2, which would be 16. Though now I guess it could be 8/ 2(2+2), which would be 1.

I haven’t looked at your work yet, but will after I post this.

You are correct. When the operations have the same precedence, you do them from left to right.

337

HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:14:36pm

Is there no place for the boring Obama Democrat with the media?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2019 • 5:15:00pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

If it’s her and Trump. I’m outta here.

We should just take off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

339

Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:15:08pm

I must offer an apology now.

The Washington National Cathedral did issue a statement about Trump’s racist statements (yesterday). Since I do not follow every religious outlet of every sect, I missed the statement by the Episcopal Church.

Have We No Decency? A Response to President Trump (Goes to the Washington National Cathedral official Website, more at the link):

The escalation of racialized rhetoric from the President of the United States has evoked responses from all sides of the political spectrum. On one side, African American leaders have led the way in rightfully expressing outrage. On the other, those aligned with the President seek to downplay the racial overtones of his attacks, or remain silent.

As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral ¬- the sacred space where America gathers at moments of national significance - we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough?

As Americans, we have had such moments before, and as a people we have acted. Events of the last week call to mind a similarly dark period in our history:

“Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. … You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency?”

That was U.S. Army attorney Joseph Welch on June 9, 1954, when he confronted Senator Joseph McCarthy before a live television audience, effectively ending McCarthy’s notorious hold on the nation. Until then, under the guise of ridding the country of Communist infiltration, McCarthy had free rein to say and do whatever he wished. With unbridled speech, he stoked the fears of an anxious nation with lies; destroyed the careers of countless Americans; and bullied into submissive silence anyone who dared criticize him.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 5:15:10pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

To my regret, we are all the same species.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 5:15:34pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

This could be viewed as dehumanizing the deplorables.

I’m fond of the term ‘pig-people’ for Trump supporters, since it’s both rude and explicitly not dehumanizing.

But proper style is always a judgment call.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:16:15pm

re: #338 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We should just take off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

Nah I think I’ll just fine a pub somewhere.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 5:16:29pm

re: #331 BeachDem

Well, night two of the WWE debates is beginning. I need a drink. (and, preemptively, did you know Tulsi was in the military?)

There are an amazing number of old Dr Jekyll movies on Netflix and Prime.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 5:16:42pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

Works for me.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2019 • 5:17:10pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Yeah it really is dangerous. God what the hell is wrong with this country?

And lots of morons will be like YEAH! THAT MAKES SENSE! 🙄

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2019 • 5:17:58pm

re: #332 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Note: I am thinking about referring to all Republican and other RWNJ gatherings as “infestations.”
Ok or not?

Nazi filmmakers sort of ruined the trope.

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HappyWarrior Jul 31, 2019 • 5:18:07pm

re: #345 MsJ

And lots of morons will be like YEAH! THAT MAKES SENSE! 🙄

I don’t know what happened to this country. I really don’t.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2019 • 5:21:34pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

I don’t know what happened to this country. I really don’t.

A big part of it is that now stupidity and greed are both virtues for nearly half the electorate.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:22:32pm

re: #260 Decatur Deb

Wife and I will gladly give up a potential $250 to see Equifax dissolved.

When people first brought up the settlement here, they noted right away that $125 wasn’t going to be the final payout.

Considering the alternative was credit monitoring (one year for the other companies and ten years for Equifax), I opted for that.

Others noted they have things such as Lifelock so credit monitoring isn’t an issue, but since I don’t I’ll let Equifax pay for it.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 5:23:34pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Especially by using two different braces.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃 Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:05pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

I can’t get any of the several pithy quotations out of here, due to sticky cookies.

from outside or inside the deck looks stacked

Elizabeth Warren in 2014

A telling anecdote involves a dinner that Ms. Warren had with Lawrence H. Summers, then the director of the National Economic Council and a top economic adviser to President Obama. The dinner took place in the spring of 2009, after the oversight panel had produced its third report, concluding that American taxpayers were at far greater risk to losses in TARP than the Treasury had let on.

After dinner, “Larry leaned back in his chair and offered me some advice,” Ms. Warren writes. “I had a choice. I could be an insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say whatever they want. But people on the inside don’t listen to them. Insiders, however, get lots of access and a chance to push their ideas. People — powerful people — listen to what they have to say. But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule: They don’t criticize other insiders.

“I had been warned,” Ms. Warren concluded.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2019 • 5:25:36pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Yeah it really is dangerous. God what the hell is wrong with this country?

We knew media people can be this idiotic. It will be up to voters to deal with it.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2019 • 5:33:41pm

re: #351 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That’s the pithiest. Good pluck!

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TedStriker Jul 31, 2019 • 5:44:02pm

re: #239 KGxvi

I have two rules:

1. Never trust a grown man with a little kids name (Jimmy, Timmy, Tommy, Johnny, etc)
2. Never trust a man with two first names

Someone would like a word with you on that…

///

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Eventual Carrion Aug 1, 2019 • 8:31:48am

re: #186 Dread Pirate

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bullshit

I’m sure they can enumerate what exactly was done.

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