A Song Still Sadly Relevant: Bruce Hornsby and the Noisemakers, “The Way It Is”

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Bruce Hornsby & the Noisemakers performing “The Way It Is”, live at Town Hall, New York City, 2004
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Chorus:
(That’s just the way it is) well, they passed a law in ‘64
To give those who ain’t got a little more
But it only goes so far
Because the law don’t change another’s mind
When all it sees at the hiring time
Is the line on the color bar, no, no
That’s just the way it is
And some things will never change
That’s just the way it is
That’s just the way it is, it is, it is, it is

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:40:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:42:53pm

Amazon just brought the new Grace Digital radio to replace the Bose that died right after the warranty ended.

Now just sitting here listening to Sinatra.

Don’t want to do anything else…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:42:56pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:42:56pm

Damn, this performance is just amazing.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:43:34pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:57:53pm

re: #405 b.d.

If I chose being a Trekkie as opposed to a political junkie I’d probably be happier and have the same amount of political influence.

I am at the Las Vegas Star Trek convention, and I’m dropping in to say you can be both.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:58:13pm

Thread, four tweets.

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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 7:58:34pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:00:25pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Thread, four tweets.

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If Stephen Miller reminds me of Boorman, Bannon reminds me of Alfred Rosenberg, a self fancied philosopher.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:01:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:02:47pm

Breitbart, FNC, all merchants of hate. You hear how immigrants are threatening your way of life and yeah you grtvradicslisrd.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:04:26pm

re: #6 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I am at the Las Vegas Star Trek convention, and I’m dropping in to say you can be both.

SWEET!

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:05:42pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:07:37pm

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:08:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:09:16pm

re: #13 Patricia Kayden

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They say mental ill and then they cut funds to mental health services. Abbott is full of shit.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:10:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:13:31pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

They say mental ill and then they cut funds to mental health services. Abbott is full of shit.

Republicans are full of it. They all say that, and when in power they all do that, including the VA.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:15:40pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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This was a MAGA killing and I have no interest in making any donations of any kind!

Enough!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:16:32pm
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Teddy's Person  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:17:15pm

And it keeps on coming.

Driver plows through crowd gathered at anti-violence rally in Wisconsin

Luckily, no reported injuries.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:19:20pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

I don’t think it should be ignored, but I don’t think the raw text needs to be published (although that’s too late, it’s already out there thanks to 8ch).

I’d really like to see The Philippines seize 8ch, but with Duterte in power that isn’t happening. If we didn’t have a feckless conservative government, we could apply pressure to Manila to move against the site and seize it, or face sanctions from us.

What’s going on here is asymmetrical warfare inside and outside our country, and conservatives want to quit the field so they can stuff their pockets and amass more power.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:21:53pm

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I don’t think it should be ignored, but I don’t think the raw text needs to be published (although that’s too late, it’s already out there thanks to 8ch).

I’d really like to see The Philippines seize 8ch, but with Duterte in power that isn’t happening. If we didn’t have a feckless conservative government, we could apply pressure to Manila to move against the site and seize it, or face sanctions from us.

What’s going on here is asymmetrical warfare inside and outside our country, and conservatives want to quit the field so they can stuff their pockets and amass more power.

His published manifesto is the one weapon we have that turns people like Greg Abbott from saying “This Antifa member attacked Latinos in order to frame patriotic Trump supporters” to claiming it’s mental illness. And if you don’t believe he’d like to say that, I’ve god some Jade Helm to sell you.

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Interesting Times  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:23:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:23:48pm

re: #24 Interesting Times

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He’s a terrorist.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:23:53pm

re: #19 b.d.

This was a MAGA killing and I have no interest in making any donations of any kind!

Enough!

That’s fine. The City of El Paso is listing vetted organisations raising money for the victims’ families for things like medical care or funerals or assistance while healing.

I don’t have the money to donate.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:24:24pm

O’Rourke: Trump is a ‘racist,’ responsible for El Paso shooting
thehill.com

and Jeb’s son
George P. Bush denounces ‘white terrorism’ after El Paso shooting
thehill.com

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:25:08pm
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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:25:40pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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The main problem seems to be that we are constantly given the impetus and the cause for shootings, but rarely the visceral consequences and effects of such. We are soaked in the mindset that lead to the shooting, but we only get the aftermath as a number unless we are directly connected to the victims or the locale.

I agree that we need to understand the mindset because as you’ve said before, ignoring it just causes it to fester. The problem is that there’s just a super-massive disconnect with the actual casualties for most Americans. We don’t see the bodies, just the stats. And the growing discouragement of any sort of actual empathy or sympathy just means less and less people actually care outside of the same sort of sadness we feel when a fictional character dies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:26:15pm

re: #27 Kilroy was here

O’Rourke: Trump is a ‘racist,’ responsible for El Paso shooting
thehill.com

and Jeb’s son
George P. Bush denounces ‘white terrorism’ after El Paso shooting
thehill.com

Good on both of them.

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:27:15pm

Starting on TCM in 5 minutes:

Guys & Dolls (1955)

Marlon Brando, Frank Sinatra.

If you haven’t seen it… SEE IT!!

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:27:16pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

He’s a terrorist.

Not under federal law he isn’t. Unless he attacks critical infrastructure or a railroad, a domestic mass-murderer, regardless of motivation, is not defined as a terrorist. That’s why abortion clinic bombers and shooters aren’t tried as terrorists, even though it’s clearly in the name of an ideology (religion) to effect fear.

That’s another law which could be updated with a Democratic government.

The only reason the Unite the Right douchecanoe here in Nebraska was charged with federal terrorist statutes was because he hijacked an Amtrak train. He was not charged under those statutes for threatening to kill all the African-Americans on board.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:29:26pm

re: #29 Citizen K

That’s why wingnuts made sure that after the Vietnam War, the display of bodies returning home or reporters free to report and photograph what they saw would never occur again.

They were condemning the press back then as well for “losing” the war.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:30:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:30:45pm

re: #27 Kilroy was here

Well, there goes Jeb P. Bush’s career as a Republican politician.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:31:21pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Not under federal law he isn’t. Unless he attacks critical infrastructure or a railroad, a domestic mass-murderer, regardless of motivation, is not defined as a terrorist. That’s why abortion clinic bombers and shooters aren’t tried as terrorists, even though it’s clearly in the name of an ideology (religion) to effect fear.

That’s another law which could be updated with a Democratic government.

The only reason the Unite the Right douchecanoe here in Nebraska was charged with federal terrorist statutes was because he hijacked an Amtrak train. He was not charged under those statutes for threatening to kill all the African-Americans on board.

I wasn’t speaking legally.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:31:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:32:06pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Exactly. I hear how we need the 2A to safeguard against tyrants. Well…

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:32:23pm

This is so depressing. I’m just getting to the “just can’t even” point.
And how do the wingnuts manage to convince themselves this is a false flag operation and still have enough brain cells left to tie their shoes?

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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:33:17pm

The more things change….hah. That’s the joke, they never changed.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:33:23pm

re: #39 calochortus

This is so depressing. I’m just getting to the “just can’t even” point.
And how do the wingnuts manage to convince themselves this is a false flag operation and still have enough brain cells left to tie their shoes?

I swear it’s like they live in an alternate reality.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:34:05pm
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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:38:06pm

Way to buy into the right-wing frames, Mr. Lefter-Than-Thou.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:39:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:39:31pm

re: #43 Citizen K

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Way to buy into the right-wing frames, Mr. Lefter-Than-Thou.

He was literally out for Mexicans. I’m surprised he didn’t blame Wall Street.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:40:25pm

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

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This is disgusting. People are murdered in his state by a racist and he’s bitching about Antifa.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:40:39pm

re: #23 Belafon

His published manifesto is the one weapon we have that turns people like Greg Abbott from saying “This Antifa member attacked Latinos in order to frame patriotic Trump supporters” to claiming it’s mental illness. And if you don’t believe he’d like to say that, I’ve god some Jade Helm to sell you.

Agreed, his manifesto should be out there for the same reason that his name and picture should be made public, contrary to many voices that say such should be kept secret because “They want the publicity.” In a world where these things were hidden from the public, Abbott could likely get away with screaming that this guy was an “Antifa terrorist” or Trump could blame the “radical Left” for this man’s crimes.

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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:41:17pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

He was literally out for Mexicans. I’m surprised he didn’t blame Wall Street.

For some, it’s apparently impossible for these kinds of things to be racist in nature unless the attacker is wearing a white hood and Sieg Heil-ing all through the attack. And I say ‘and’ because many of these assholes are all but Sieg Heil-ing through their own attacks already.

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b.d.  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:42:28pm

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹🎃

That’s fine. The City of El Paso is listing vetted organisations raising money for the victims’ families for things like medical care or funerals or assistance while healing.

I don’t have the money to donate.

I didn’t mean to come about as crass but we live in the United States of America and cities should not have to ask for donations during times of crisis, the families of fallen first responders shouldn’t have to hold fund raisers when one dies and people shouldn’t have to beg on GoFundMe pages to help pay their health care bills.

Sorry but I thought we were the best country on earth.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:43:22pm

re: #48 Citizen K

For some, it’s apparently impossible for these kinds of things to be racist in nature unless the attacker is wearing a white hood and Sieg Heil-ing all through the attack. And I say ‘and’ because many of these assholes are all but Sieg Heil-ing through their own attacks already.

I know. This is yet another reason why Bernie is low on my list.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:43:30pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I wasn’t speaking legally.

My apologies. I took the word literally.

Words can be slippery things, like when “traitor” gets thrown around. There’s the legal definition, and the colloquial one.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:44:12pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

I swear it’s like they live in an alternate reality.

While Freepers are beyond hope and help, I was really interested to note that many commenters at The Resurgent (Erickson’s site) were pretty clear eyed about who was carrying out these mass shootings and that Trump’s rhetoric played a significant role. Not all of course, but a significant number. Now, they’re not a pro-Trump group by and large, but they do buy into a lot of the current conservative policies.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:44:23pm

re: #6 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Forgot to mention: Discovery season 2 out on dvd November 12.

Also, Star Trek: Picard looks awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:44:31pm

re: #49 b.d.

I didn’t mean to come about as crass but we live in the United States of America and cities should not have to ask for donations during times of crisis, the families of fallen first responders shouldn’t have to hold fund raisers when one dies and people shouldn’t have to beg on GoFundMe pages to help pay their health care bills.

Sorry but I thought we were the best country on earth.

I’m with you. This gets spun as being heartwarming but it’s actually messed up for the reasons you pointed out.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:45:23pm

re: #49 b.d.

I didn’t mean to come about as crass but we live in the United States of America and cities should not have to ask for donations during times of crisis, the families of fallen first responders shouldn’t have to hold fund raisers when one dies and people shouldn’t have to beg on GoFundMe pages to help pay their health care bills.

Sorry but I thought we were the best country on earth.

I didn’t perceive it as crass.

Until we can change things however, that’s how they are now.

Then there is the issue of the Mexican citizens wounded in the attack. I imagine they don’t have US health insurance to cover what are going to be very expensive hospital bills.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:45:29pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🎃

My apologies. I took the word literally.

Words can be slippery things, like when “traitor” gets thrown around. There’s the legal definition, and the colloquial one.

It’s fine. Just yeah I was speaking colloquially. The statute needs to be updated that said.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:46:05pm

re: #52 calochortus

While Freepers are beyond hope and help, I was really interested to note that many commenters at The Resurgent (Erickson’s site) were pretty clear eyed about who was carrying out these mass shootings and that Trump’s rhetoric played a significant role. Not all of course, but a significant number. Now, they’re not a pro-Trump group by and large, but they do buy into a lot of the current conservative policies.

That’s pleasantly surprising.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:47:32pm

re: #53 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Forgot to mention: Discovery season 2 out on dvd November 12.

Also, Star Trek: Picard looks awesome.

Meh and YEAH! respectively.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:52:45pm

re: #43 Citizen K

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Way to buy into the right-wing frames, Mr. Lefter-Than-Thou.

How bad is this going to look for Bernie? That he’s jumping on the wingnut “mental illness” bandwagon when Joe F-in’ Walsh is calling it like it is:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:55:20pm

re: #52 calochortus

While Freepers are beyond hope and help, I was really interested to note that many commenters at The Resurgent (Erickson’s site) were pretty clear eyed about who was carrying out these mass shootings and that Trump’s rhetoric played a significant role. Not all of course, but a significant number. Now, they’re not a pro-Trump group by and large, but they do buy into a lot of the current conservative policies.

RedState is claiming the so-called manifesto is not confirmed by any official sources as the work of the alleged mass-murderer. They state that only politicians have asserted that.

They also cite it was posted on 8ch (without referencing the site’s name), as a well-known site for trolling and extreme views.

There are only three comments on the article, but they are abhorrent. I’m not going to go into my Disqus account to go after them; all that will accomplish is they will ban me for bringing facts to a fantasy fight.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:56:52pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

How bad is this going to look for Bernie? That he’s jumping on the wingnut “mental illness” bandwagon when Joe F-in’ Walsh is calling it like it is:

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We live in such weird times.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:57:21pm

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹🎃

RedState is claiming the so-called manifesto is not confirmed by any official sources as the work of the alleged mass-murderer. They state that only politicians have asserted that.

They also cite it was posted on 8ch (without referencing the sites name), as a well-known site for trolling and extreme views.

There are only three comments on the article, but they are abhorrent. I’m not going to go into my Disqus account to go after them; all that will accomplish is they will ban me for bringing facts to a fantasy fight.

I didn’t bother with RedState. I reached my limit for idiocy with the Freepers.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:57:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:58:20pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

How bad is this going to look for Bernie? That he’s jumping on the wingnut “mental illness” bandwagon when Joe F-in’ Walsh is calling it like it is:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2019 • 8:59:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:00:45pm

The mental health shit is a cop out. And it’s always always done with exclusively white peeps.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:02:57pm

On the issue of Disqus I mentioned a couple comments above.

Up the thread someone noted that Disqus does nothing to enforce its terms, leaving that up to the Website owners which use the service. It was noted that Deadbart is a notorious Dumpster fire of hate. RedState can get that way occasionally.

But they do in fact have moderation. If a liberal goes on those sites and brings facts in, they will be swiftly banhammered. My rose and pumpkin emojis would get me banned just for those, even if I praised Trump like the Golden Calf in the Bible. So would my comment history from other sites.

They do have moderation. They allow their despicable commentary.

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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:03:53pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

The mental health shit is a cop out. And it’s always always done with exclusively white peeps.

It’s almost like it’s just another bludgeon for them to use against whatever they don’t like. If it’s not using mental health as a bludgeon against gun control, it’s using the homeless and unemployed against undocumented immigrants, or children’s health against women’s health, or the working class against black people.

In each case, they only care about the former insomuch as they can use it to not only minimize the latter but demonize it.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:04:15pm

re: #25 HappyWarrior

No, he’s white. Can’t be a terrorist.
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:07:18pm

Has the orange blob commented on this terrorist act yet?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:07:18pm

re: #68 Citizen K

It’s almost like it’s just another bludgeon for them to use against whatever they don’t like. If it’s not using mental health as a bludgeon against gun control, it’s using the homeless and unemployed against undocumented immigrants, or children’s health against women’s health, or the working class against black people.

In each case, they only care about the former insomuch as they can use it to not only minimize the latter but demonize it.

Schrödinger’s mental health patient, the same as Schrödinger’s disabled or homeless vet.

Only invoked to distract from another topic (or in the case of vets, additionally for faux patriotism).

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:09:17pm

re: #70 Ace Rothstein

Has the orange blob commented on this terrorist act yet?

He fired off a short tweet earlier, followed by a staffer-written statement a little while later. There’s been no public statement yet, but you can be sure that when there is one, it will be in the same rambling style as most every other statement.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:12:43pm

Sorry, Rep. Womack (R-AR3). Not senseless.

It was agitprop. Say the word. It was on-line radicalisation by the hate groups in Movement Conservatism. Say the words.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:15:14pm

While Gov. Abbot is busy bashing Antifa, he has not ordered the flag in his state to half-mast for the deadliest mass-murder in Texas as of yet.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:19:48pm

They blame “mental illness” for the same reason they blame “evil” when talking about such shootings: They want to portray the image of powerlessness, to say that there’s “nothing that can be done” to absolve themselves of any responsibility for such acts. When it’s “gang violence” or “terrorism,” they’re off to the races with ideas about how they can stop such and protect us from “those people.” But when it’s a white guy in the grip of “mental illness” or motivated by “evil,” all they can do is throw up their hands and moan that there’s just nothing they can do to stop such acts.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:22:48pm

Wingnuts are all over that tweet going after Mayor Buttigieg. Whatabout whatabout whatabout.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:27:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:28:45pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

They blame “mental illness” for the same reason they blame “evil” when talking about such shootings: They want to portray the image of powerlessness, to say that there’s “nothing that can be done” to absolve themselves of any responsibility for such acts. When it’s “gang violence” or “terrorism,” they’re off to the races with ideas about how they can stop such and protect us from “those people.” But when it’s a white guy in the grip of “mental illness” or motivated by “evil,” all they can do is throw up their hands and moan that there’s just nothing they can do to stop such acts.

It’s out of their hands because evil is created by God (but they won’t put it that way, even though that is printed right in the Bible). It must have some greater “plan” or good than a murderous ass was radicalised by Movement Conservatism (it can’t fail, you can only fail it).

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:31:06pm

Night people. Enough hate for one day/year/life. tomorrow will be another. Peace.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:32:44pm

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

Night people. Enough hate for one day/year/life. tomorrow will be another. Peace.

Good-night, IWPNT.

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:33:01pm

I need to unplug too. Hasta mañana, all.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:33:14pm

re: #76 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Wingnuts are all over that tweet going after Mayor Buttigieg. Whatabout whatabout whatabout.

And it’s always the same BS “whataboutism”: “What about (insert blue city)?!”

But yet there’s not enough IQ points between the whole rancid bunch of them to recognize that they’re helping make the argue for gun control. If there’s hundreds of shootings in a city in any given year, let alone a month or week, then that would indicate that this country does not have a problem with “mental illness” or “evil.” We have a gun problem and the wingnut answer of “MOAR GUNZ!” is not working.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:36:56pm

This is something a civilised nation should never have to do. Charity from funeral parlours.

Local funeral homes offering free funeral services for victims of mass shooting in El Paso (WJLA television).

They are offering this service on both sides of the border for victims.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:44:02pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:45:52pm
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Dread Pirate  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:50:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 9:53:12pm

re: #84 DodgerFan1988

Folks in there saying he was changed either to the Democratic Socialist Party (not a thing) or the Democratic Party.

As for MyLife, it’s a search engine optimisation service, except for your on-line reputation. You don’t change anything in it.

Even though they don’t lie well and can’t even agree on a lie, plenty of people will swallow that codswallop.

I knew nothing about MyLife until I went to their site, and right on the front page it tells you what they do. The prophets are banking on the faithful to not actually check and see what it says.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:05:12pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Folks in there saying he was changed either to the Democratic Socialist Party (not a thing) or the Democratic Party.

As for MyLife, it’s a search engine optimisation service, except for your on-line reputation. You don’t change anything in it.

Even though they don’t lie well and can’t even agree on a lie, plenty of people will swallow that codswallop.

I knew nothing about MyLife until I went to their site, and right on the front page it tells you what they do. The prophets are banking on the faithful to not actually check and see what it says.

Yeah, shocking that his online reputation would change so suddenly. It’s almost like there was some national event involving him that would lead people to assuming things about him…

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:08:11pm

I’m off to bed.

Conservatives are throwing ten metric fuquetonnes of bulk chickenshit out there to try to make anything stick, and overpower both factual reporting and victims (I just learned that Wal*Mart was in on the false flag with crisis actors and maybe paid them for some nefarious agenda).

I also learned that to open carry a firearm in Texas you have to pay an impossibly high concealed carry license fee (internal consistency in a conservative lie is not necessary for the faithful to believe it).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:08:49pm
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Citizen K  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:09:46pm

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I’m off to bed.

Conservatives are throwing ten metric fuquetonnes of bulk chickenshit out there to try to make anything stick, and overpower both factual reporting and victims (I just learned that Wal*Mart was in on the false flag with crisis actors and maybe paid them for some nefarious agenda).

I also learned that to open carry a firearm in Texas you have to pay an impossibly high concealed carry license fee (internal consistency in a conservative lie is not necessary for the faithful to believe it).

I mean, judging from the last 3 dozen or times or so this has happened, it’s good money that they’ll probably succeed, and ‘thoughts and prayers’ win the day per always.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:20:10pm
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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:22:46pm

re: #91 Citizen K

I mean, judging from the last 3 dozen or times or so this has happened, it’s good money that they’ll probably succeed, and ‘thoughts and prayers’ win the day per always.

Why doesn’t the NRA change it’s name to the NRMA (National Rifle Manufacturers Association)?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:33:35pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Both of those terms also instantly takes someone who is Of The Body and makes them Not Of The Body. So not only are they not responsible, the killer was not them all along, so there’s no reason to self-reflect.

Which is why they don’t get into particulars about what “mental illness” is, ever.

Because—and this applies to the misogynists shooters too—any level of analysis beyond conjuring with term “mental illness” would have to address how the killer’s worldview was entirely consistent with the culture of internet people and “thinkers” and reactionary politicians and priests, but for the killing.

That every single bit of “logic” about how little the dead people mattered, how they deserved to die, bounces around both on- and off-life. The world’s full of people with kinds of mental illness—anxiety, melancholy, delusion, in varying degrees of intensity…whose struggles do not end in violence. And when mentally ill people become violent, it does not tidily replicate a fully-articulated pre-existing cultural explanation of why you should kill people.

Anything to admit that the values and prejudices that include a belief in (1) an natural hierarchy, (2) the inherent threat of The Other logically proceed to violence.

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:48:54pm

re: #94 The Ghost of a Flea

Both of those terms also instantly takes someone who is Of The Body and makes them Not Of The Body.

Which is why they don’t get into particulars about what “mental illness” is, ever.

Because—and this applies to the misogynists shooters too—any level of analysis beyond conjuring with term “mental illness” would have to address how the killer’s worldview was entirely consistent with the culture of internet people and “thinkers” and reactionary politicians and priests, but for the killing.

That every single bit of “logic” about how little the dead people mattered, how they deserved to die, bounces around both on- and off-life. The world’s full of people with kinds of mental illness—anxiety, melancholy, delusion, in varying degrees of intensity…whose struggles do not end in violence. And when mentally ill people become violent, it does not tidily replicate a fully-articulated pre-existing cultural explanation of why you should kill people.

Anything to admit that the values and prejudices that include a belief in (1) an natural hierarchy, (2) the inherent threat of The Other logically proceed to violence.

I believe you are overthinking this. This was a woke white supremicist, egged on by every Trumpian rally, who had access to an AK knockoff and high cap magazines who drove 500 miles from DFW to El Paso to kill as many Meskins as he could in a Wal-Mart. It was absolutely premeditated and his mental health is not an issue. He is a domestic terrorist, attacking random citizens in a retail establishment.

It is that simple and that tragic. The only reason he could do that was because he was able to buy an AK knockoff and high cap magazines.

The fix is pretty clear, is it not?

The solution seems pretty simple, does it not?

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:50:12pm

And goodnight all, I for one will have very troubled scaly drams.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 3, 2019 • 10:57:18pm

re: #95 austin_blue

What you say is true but orthogonal to my point.

I’m pissed because “mentally ill” is a fucking copout used to cover for terrorism, when the terrorism is a radical extension of normative white American bullshit…and being actually mentally ill it’s one that has consequences for me and people like me.

I agree that we should focus on background checks and just generally not letting assholes have all the guns, but the dangerous blame-diverting excuse needs to be labelled as such as clearly as possible.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:15:29pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:19:43pm

re: #98 Dread Pirate

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The same “moral guardians” who were convinced a generation ago that listening to Black Sabbath led to Satanic worship and ritual sacrifices.

And that’s totally ridiculous…because everybody knows it was Alice Cooper that led to that./////

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:28:14pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

The same “moral guardians” who were convinced a generation ago that listening to Black Sabbath led to Satanic worship and ritual sacrifices.

And that’s totally ridiculous…because everybody knows it was Alice Cooper that led to that./////

And before that, that ni*CLANG jungle music (rock ‘n’ roll, and before that jazz) which corrupted the pure morals of fragile delicate teenage whites.

I went to an Alice Cooper concert in Independence, Mo. The only thing I was angered about was the parking.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:30:21pm

What the f*ck!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:37:46pm

re: #101 DodgerFan1988

DAYTON — UPDATE @ 2:24 a.m.:

Police scanner traffic has indicated that there may be as many as 7 dead, and police are searching for a second possible shooter that may have left the area in a dark-colored Jeep.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:38:06pm

This is also part of the wingnut defense mechanism: Talk about everything but the gunman. Talk about mental illness, talk about video games, talk about music, talk about “violent rhetoric,” talk about everything but who the gunman was and what he was saying aloud. All we’re missing now is the “victim” narrative, where we’re presented with a “Movie of the Week” sob story about he grew up under negative circumstances and that shaped him into a killer.

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BigPapa  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:42:06pm

I got a couple of shitposters whatabouting Chicago right now. Totally depraved cretins.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:45:16pm

Trump’s so-called spiritual advisor weighs in.

That wasn’t an abundance of rain in the name of Jesus. That was an abundance of blood because you support a white supremacist and Jesus wasn’t there.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:50:20pm

re: #101 DodgerFan1988

What the f*ck!

And already the wingnuts are at it again, blaming Antifa, democrats, atheists, all of the above. In that thread they’re also still pushing the idea that the party affiliation of the shooter in El Paso is Democratic.

They must defend their faith at all costs. This is what causes crusades.

At some point, if conservative politicians aren’t going to do anything to stop the reign of terror, it’s going to take a France-style general strike until their owners (businesses) force them to compromise.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:51:43pm

Senator Cornyn with the “great replacement” dogwhistle back in June:

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 3, 2019 • 11:52:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:04:45am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:06:09am

re: #101 DodgerFan1988

You gotta be fuckin’ kiddin’ me…….

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:19:33am

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

You gotta be fuckin’ kiddin’ me…….

We are now counting mass-murders by hours between events.

The Women’s March put millions in the streets on the Facebook post of one woman in Hawai’i.

There was a march from the Capitol to the White House during the night over El Paso, and now this.

It’s past time for a nationwide general strike that shuts the whole damn country down. McConnell can’t ignore that. My craven representative and senators can’t ignore that.

Businesses certainly won’t ignore it. They will have their pet poodles’s head in the GOP on metaphorical platters.

An alternative for the so-called great dealmaker in the White House would be for the world to sanction trade with the USA. While we have the largest economy in the world, we are not indispensable to the rest of the world’s trade.

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Chrysicat  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:35:06am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹🎃

We are now counting mass-murders by hours between events.

The Women’s March put millions in the streets on the Facebook post of one woman in Hawai’i.

There was a march from the Capitol to the White House during the night over El Paso, and now this.

It’s past time for a nationwide general strike that shuts the whole damn country down. McConnell can’t ignore that. My craven representative and senators can’t ignore that.

Businesses certainly won’t ignore it. They will have their pet poodles’s head in the GOP on metaphorical platters.

An alternative for the so-called great dealmaker in the White House would be for the world to sanction trade with the USA. While we have the largest economy in the world, we are not indispensable to the rest of the world’s trade.

Is there any possibility that these weren’t even “lone nuts” as far as the timing goes and that this is our Kristallnacht?

I hate asking, but you know the WS side of the country has been waiting for one, even if it hasn’t been planning to be part of it.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:38:20am

re: #112 Chrysicat

That is a possibility, but I don’t give them sufficient credit of planning or strategy to plan such a thing.

The Talibanjo at Mahleur Wildlife Refuge had to put out a call for vanilla coffee creamer, and got a drum of KY lube from the Cards against Humanity guy and a couple boxes of dildos from Wonkette.

They are also a very loud minority.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:40:44am

re: #112 Chrysicat

Unfortunately…it is entirely feasible that they are separate events, because targeted mass killings driven by ideology are a sub-set of mass killings driven by general fucked up masculinity issues, and the means to commit such a killing are ubiquitous.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:44:58am

Dayton shooting around 1-2am local time? Sounds like something that will involve a bar or night club.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:46:18am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:47:21am

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

Dayton shooting around 1-2am local time? Sounds like something that will involve a bar or night club.

Yes, it’s in the bar/restaurant/nightclub district known as the Oregon District.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:48:19am

re: #115 Feline Fearless Leader

Dayton shooting around 1-2am local time? Sounds like something that will involve a bar or night club.

Yep police seem to be working around Ned Pepper’s Bar. they were staging victims over at Dublin Pub at 5th and Wayne Ave.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:51:17am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:54:04am

While the killing was going on in Texas, Mitch McConnell was speaking in Kentucky.

McConnell Says He ‘Saved the Supreme Court for a Generation’ (Bloomberg)

About all those Bernouts who said they would not be guilt-tripped by arguments “it’s about the courts.”

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell told a crowd in his home state of Kentucky that he “saved the Supreme Court for a generation” by blocking President Barack Obama’s nominees ahead of the 2016 presidential election.

The Republican added that he “led the way” for Supreme Court Justices Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, both nominated to the bench by President Donald Trump.

(more)

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Dread Pirate  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:55:26am

Now they are at Blind Bob’s bar. might be multiple locations.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:04:45am

Well, El Paso has been pushed off the Twitter worldwide trending list by Dayton, Ohio.

Even the rest of the world can’t keep up.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:07:46am

re: #121 Dread Pirate

Now they are at Blind Bob’s bar. might be multiple locations.

If Google Maps is right it’s right across the street from Ned Pepper’s which I think was the first location mentioned.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:13:27am

Scam alert;

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:17:47am

re: #121 Dread Pirate

Now they are at Blind Bob’s bar. might be multiple locations.

Police in Dayton giving a press conference now.

whio.com (WHIO radio, Dayton)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:21:13am

The Dayton Police in the press conference say the murderer is deceased (killed by multiple police officers), and he used a long gun (but not what type).

The FBI, ATF, and departments from other jurisdictions are present.

He notes the timeline of violence was “very short.”

Nine dead, plus the suspect, sixteen hospitalised in unknown condition.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:44:22am

Republican word of the day: “senseless.”

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marcusgorillius  Aug 4, 2019 • 2:21:17am

Just another day in America. What the hell is it going to take for these politicians to realize that something has to be done. It just goes on and on, nothing changes. Some one needs to step up and LEAD on this.

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marcusgorillius  Aug 4, 2019 • 2:23:50am

And by the way, fuck the NRA

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 2:52:23am

re: #128 marcusgorillius

Just another day in America. What the hell is it going to take for these politicians to realize that something has to be done. It just goes on and on, nothing changes. Some one needs to step up and LEAD on this.

I am not on social media; I cannot. It’s going to take someone who is, and who’s willing to invest a lot of time in organising it, such as the woman in Hawai’i who organised the Women’s March, the teens who organised March for Our Lives, or the scientists who organised the Science March.

A march is being organised for Columbus, Ohio now. As for the rest of the country, the only way to get their attention is a French version of a nationwide strike, such that businesses pull the rug out of their bought-and-paid for politicians.

They cannot resist 150,000,000 people on a continuous strike.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:01:47am

This is getting worse and worse. Something needs to be done but won’t be because Republicans are beholden to the NRA’s whims.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:11:30am

re: #86 Dread Pirate

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Yep sigh.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:14:07am

re: #77 DodgerFan1988

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Ben Shapiro is a racist little dipshit. His “prediction” was wrong. In fact, there was an African American hero in El Paso but Shapiro loves blaming minorities for the fantasies his readers have for dealing with demographic change. Fuck him.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:14:18am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

See my #130.

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”—Warren Buffett

That script needs to be flipped. Republicans do not even respond to their own voters, because their real constituents are the businesses who own them. Since Ronald Reagan was elected, Movement Conservative has sought to conserve and expand power wherever it can.

The NRA is in real trouble between the courts in New York and the scandal within its own board. Their own members have been stripped of the power to replace board members, but board members are attacking and suing each other already. When conservatives have no external enemies, they cannabilise themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:21:11am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🎃

See my #130.

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”—Warren Buffett

That script needs to be flipped. Republicans do not even respond to their own voters, because their real constituents are the businesses who own them. Since Ronald Reagan was elected, Movement Conservative has sought to conserve and expand power wherever it can.

The NRA is in real trouble between the courts in New York and the scandal within its own board. Their own members have been stripped of the power to replace board members, but board members are attacking and suing each other already. When conservatives have no external enemies, they cannabilise themselves.

I don’t disagree. Two in one day. Fuck me. We’ve got a serious problem.

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fern01  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:26:19am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

This is getting worse and worse. Something needs to be done but won’t be because Republicans are beholden to the NRA’s whims.

A starting point is for the media to STOP showing trump rallies - just stop - show nothing and for twitter to enforce their hate speech rules and BAN trump.

It won’t get rid of the guns but it might get rid of the hate speech that is leading young people to kill.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:27:38am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I don’t disagree. Two in one day. Fuck me. We’ve got a serious problem.

The non-voters were the biggest voting bloc in almost every state in 2016. They have to be reached to break the conservative lie “both sides are the same.” Voter suppression doesn’t have to include pulling polling stations or disenrolling voters; convincing voters they have a choice between “evil A” and “evil B” works just as well.

That’s going to take messaging better than I can do. However, the overwhelming majority of young voters lean Democratic, and voting patterns tend to be fixed for life. They need to be motivated to vote as if their lives depend on it (hence voter drives by March for Our Lives), because they do. The future belongs to them, and they damn well need to vote like their elders do. The Silent Generation and the older Baby Boomer Generation always vote, but their numbers are shrinking. The younger generations already outnumber them if they turn out to vote.

It’s up to us, individually or collectively, to teach and reinforce the most important civic duty a citizen has, exercising the vote.

Use your rights or lose them.

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fern01  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:30:24am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹🎃

While the killing was going on in Texas, Mitch McConnell was speaking in Kentucky.

McConnell Says He ‘Saved the Supreme Court for a Generation’ (Bloomberg)

About all those Bernouts who said they would not be guilt-tripped by arguments “it’s about the courts.”

(more)

There is no rule of law for republicans. Gerrymander, stack the courts, obey no rules. This is the GOP

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:32:07am

re: #137 Anymouse 🌹🎃

The non-voters were the biggest voting bloc in almost every state in 2016. They have to be reached to break the conservative lie “both sides are the same.” Voter suppression doesn’t have to include pulling polling stations or disenrolling voters; convincing voters they have a choice between “evil A” and “evil B” works just as well.

That’s going to take messaging better than I can do. However, the overwhelming majority of young voters lean Democratic, and voting patterns tend to be fixed for life. They need to be motivated to vote as if their lives depend on it (hence voter drives by March for Our Lives), because they do. The future belongs to them, and they damn well need to vote like their elders do. The Silent Generation and the older Baby Boomer Generation always vote, but their numbers are shrinking. The younger generations already outnumber them if they turn out to vote.

It’s up to us, individually or collectively, to teach and reinforce the most important civic duty a citizen has, exercising the vote.

Use your rights or lose them.

My generation does need to vote more. The problem is too many people want simple answers to complex goings on.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:35:59am

re: #136 fern01

A starting point is for the media to STOP showing trump rallies - just stop - show nothing and for twitter to enforce their hat speech rules and BAN trump.

It won’t get rid of the guns but it might get rid of the hate speech that is leading young people to kill.

It makes me so sad and angry to see so many young people buying this rhetoric and then doing this. It’s not “senseless.” It’s inflamed. Trump inspires hate through the bully pulpit of the presidency. And his allies make it worse by going but Antifa. When’s the last time an Antifa member killed someone? Antifa is nothing but a boogeyman to distract from the fact that all the violent rhetoric has been on the right.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:50:13am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

My generation does need to vote more. The problem is too many people want simple answers to complex goings on.

I’m not sure what generation you’re part of (forgive me, I have a poor memory for associating names with things I’m supposed to know about them).

Millennial and Gen X voter turnout increased in 2016…and among millennials, black turnout decreased (Pew Research, voter turnout by generation from Greatest to Millennial, 2012 and 2016)

Part of the reason for the fall in voting amongsts African-Americans and Millennials can be attributed to voter suppression tactics against those groups. That doesn’t change the fact that the younger you are, the less likely you are to vote.

Waiting for Greatest/Silent/both cohorts of Baby Boomers to die off is not a viable voting strategy. Assuming I have a normal lifespan as a younger Boomer, I should have at least thirty years worth of voting left in me. Most of my cohort votes for Republicans.

Amongst Milennials, voting went up about 3% but did not crack 50%.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:56:19am

Gagaliano is about to start his show on CNN, and it seems he’s going to push the video game trope to all of CNN’s audience.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 3:57:56am

I’m off to bed. (I said that several hours ago.) G’night.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 4:07:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 4:51:50am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 4:55:51am

re: #144 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Motherfucker.

That makes almost 30 dead and 50 wounded from mass shootings in this country in LESS THAN 24 FUCKING HOURS!!!

We are past the point of insanity here and a pre-emptive “Fuck you!” on the thoughts and prayers bullshit.

Prayers didn’t save those people from ending up in body bags.

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Targetpractice  Aug 4, 2019 • 4:58:28am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Cue “WE NEED MOAR GUNZ BECAUSE WE CAN’T RELY ON THE COPS!”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 4:59:17am

re: #145 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Further illustrating why “Good guy with a gun” is such bullshit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:07:05am
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Targetpractice  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:14:53am

Two mass shootings in 24 hours. In any other civilized country, that would be cause for a massive public uproar.

In America? Anybody suggesting that this is a major issue will be told that they need to quiet down, because it’s “too early” to talk about it.

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Citizen K  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:18:36am

re: #150 Targetpractice

Two mass shootings in 24 hours. In any other civilized country, that would be cause for a massive public uproar.

In America? Anybody suggesting that this is a major issue will be told that they need to quiet down, because it’s “too early” to talk about it.

And never to “politicize” it, because otherwise that’s disrespectful to the victims, who clearly would never want this politiczed to where future shootings could be reduced or prevented.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:22:28am

I’ll bet Tx. Governor A-Butt and his gang will propose a “faith based” mental health initiative to deal with mass shootings. This would be a huge win for his grifter/inbred/gentry base.
Besides the primary objective of taking the heat off the sacred penis extenders, it would allow the diversion of public funds to the superstition lobby, further stigmatize mental illness (always an important priority for fundies) and give the authorities more reason to intrude into people’s private lives. The usual suspects will love it.

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jeffreyw  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:30:40am

Good morning!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:33:14am

re: #153 jeffreyw

Incoming. Ahh. All filled up with food. Perfect.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 5:43:33am

Qre: #150 Targetpractice

Two mass shootings in 24 hours. In any other civilized country, that would be cause for a massive public uproar.

In America? Anybody suggesting that this is a major issue will be told that they need to quiet down, because it’s “too early” to talk about it.

Imagine if the disloyal rightwing of 1941, the pro-Axis isolationists, had figured out this strategy.
“We must have the decency to take time to mourn the dead of Pearl Harbor before we allow the Democrat party to politicize this tragedy with a special session of Congress.”

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i(m)p(each)sos  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:01:57am

Good for Chuck Todd (for once). He’s opening Press the Meat with a stark declaration of “domestic terrorism in El Paso.”

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:07:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:10:47am

Again sucking the teat of Law Enforcement:

And more tots and pears…

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:13:35am

I wrote Guns. Sensibly, Responsibly, Constitutionally in April 2016

I wrote littlegreenfootballs.com in June 2016

Absolutely nothing has changed for the better. It’s gotten worse.

I’ve been working on a real detailed comprehensive post for about a year.

Every time this happens i get; i cant even describe it any more.
I’m just out of words.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:18:53am

re: #155 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Today feels about the same level of dystopia as if back just before WW2 the American Nazi Party, in their packed Madison Square Garden hate-fest, marched outside and actually took over the government.

We have a federal government and a solid chunk of state governments that have voters openly supporting and voting into power naked White Supremacist leadership. We have a sitting President at open war with the actual majority of the country and representing a minority White Supremacist plurality. We are living in this scenario right now. We have federal, local, and state governments enacting laws and revisionist court decisions that are specifically designed to eliminate minority power and imprison and kill minority populations. Gun Freedom is a declaration of war to use violence to subjugate and kill “the other” that to the, don’t belong here.

Yesterday’s dystopian fantasy is today 100% reality. White supremacist Christian Fascists have seized power.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:31:26am
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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:33:25am

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lawhawk  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:35:17am

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It’s mourning in America.

Wake up to learn that there’s a mass shooting. No, not that one. The next one.

Dayton Ohio. 9 dead there.

That’s hours after the El Paso massacre.

I lay this at the foot of the cult of GOP and NRA gun fetishists who put their right to guns of all kinds over public safety. I blame Trump directly for El Paso.

Trump is a stochastic terrorist whose actions and statements are indistinguishable from the manifesto and utterances of recent white supremacist domestic terrorists.

Where did these white supremacists radicalize? At Fox News and listening to Trump demonize minorities, immigrants, and treat them as subhuman.

I blame McConnell who has blocked election security and gun control packages already passed by the House. He must resign. The body count is on him. He’s refused to act and he protects Trump with his actions. This is on them.

And I’m sure as fuck politicizing the hell out of all of these mass shootings. It’s been decades since Columbine. It’s been years since Sandy Hook and VA Tech and even Parkland. The GOP blocks all sensible and reasonable gun control measures that have worked everywhere they’ve been implemented.

Gun control in the US is only as good as the weakest states. That’d be like Texas, where gun culture is insane and the per capita gun death rate matches.

Gun death rates are a way to compare states or countries to each other.

States with strong gun laws in the US have low per capita gun death rates. That’d be like NY and CA.

States with lax gun laws have high per capita gun death rates. This is indisputable empirical evidence. European countries have low per capita gun death rates compared to the US.

That means lower health care costs, lower crime rates, etc. It means far fewer mass shootings and murder suicides.

The GOP is perfectly content with the status quo, because they put gun maker profits over public safety. McConnell and Trump have no interest in changing it.

Trump is just pissed that this eats into his golf time at his golf resort today. He can’t be bothered to meet with the press before his rounds of golf. He can’t and wont demand Congress take up gun control now and call Senate back to session.

He’s responsible for this. Trump is a stochastic terrorist and he is fine with the body count.

He’s also redirected the FBI to look not at right wing violent extremists but at illegal aliens. He’s diverted resources away from going after white supremacists, who have a body count to pander to his white nationalist base who thinks immigrants are the threat. Again, this is stochastic terrorism in action.

McConnell needs to resign. He’s responsible for this as much as Trump is.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:37:29am

No, seriously, WATCH MEET THE PRESS. Chuck Todd and his panel are just going to town on Pat McCrory right now. Zero fucks are being given.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:41:10am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

It makes me so sad and angry to see so many young people buying this rhetoric and then doing this. It’s not “senseless.” It’s inflamed. Trump inspires hate through the bully pulpit of the presidency. And his allies make it worse by going but Antifa. When’s the last time an Antifa member killed someone? Antifa is nothing but a boogeyman to distract from the fact that all the violent rhetoric has been on the right.

Nailed it
+1

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:48:34am

re: #165 DangerMan

Nailed it
+1

I was reading about the Dayton shooting. 9 dead in one minute and 35 wounded. The Fundies are right: we don’t value life but it’s not for the reasons they say.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:51:40am

Trump could have prevented the shooting in El Paso.

How?

By building The Wall as he promised. To stop the Hispanic Invasion of Texas that the shooter felt he had to prevent by mass murder.

He had two years of majority in House and Senate, enough time to have a planning commission submit a design, resolve all property issues and earmark a budget to commence work.

And then send the bill to Mexico and send a punitive expedition there to collect if they failed to pay up.

But it seems he lacked the will or the expertise to live up to his promises.

It could be all but finished by now, and the only people coming in through the Big Beautiful Door would be ones approved by the US government.

THIS IS HIS FAILURE!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:52:08am

FYI: There is currently a service outage impacting Facebook.

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sagehen  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:52:50am

Presidential hopefuls invited to gun control forum in Vegas
apnews.com

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Two prominent gun control organizations said Thursday that they will host a forum for Democratic presidential candidates in Las Vegas on Oct. 2, the day after the city marks the second anniversary of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

The Giffords group and March For Our Lives said the forum focused on gun violence will be the first of its kind for presidential hopefuls and will be open to all candidates who meet the Democratic National Committee’s polling and fundraising thresholds for the September debate.

The organizations did not yet have details on which candidates would be attending. They have until Aug. 28 to qualify for the September debate.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:54:34am

Blunt enough?

Democratic White House candidate Beto O’Rourke on Saturday blamed Donald Trump in part for the deadly El Paso shooting that killed 20 people because he said the president’s “racism” leads “to violence.”

O’Rourke criticized Trump when he was asked by an ABC News reporter if Trump bore any responsibility for the violence in El Paso.

“Yes,” O’Rourke flatly responded.

“We’ve had a rise in hate crimes every single one of the last three years, during an administration where you have a president who’s called Mexicans rapists and criminals,” said the former Texas congressman and El Paso native. He referred to Trump’s rhetorical attacks on Mexicans when the New Yorker announced his presidential candidacy in June 2015.

Trump “is a racist, and he stokes racism in this country,” O’Rourke said.” It does not just offend our sensibilities; it fundamentally changes the character of this country and it leads to violence

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:55:04am

re: #169 sagehen

Presidential hopefuls invited to gun control forum in Vegas
apnews.com

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Two prominent gun control organizations said Thursday that they will host a forum for Democratic presidential candidates in Las Vegas on Oct. 2, the day after the city marks the second anniversary of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

The Giffords group and March For Our Lives said the forum focused on gun violence will be the first of its kind for presidential hopefuls and will be open to all candidates who meet the Democratic National Committee’s polling and fundraising thresholds for the September debate.

The organizations did not yet have details on which candidates would be attending. They have until Aug. 28 to qualify for the September debate.

I’m gonna pay attention to this. We need leadership on this issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:55:44am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

I’m gonna pay attention to this. We need leadership on this issue.

and straight talk.

politicians are seeing that the NRA is falling apart and is no longer a force to be feared

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b.d.  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:56:27am

re: #164 i(m)p(each)sos

No, seriously, WATCH MEET THE PRESS. Chuck Todd and his panel are just going to town on Pat McCrory right now. Zero fucks are being given.

You are asking a lot and I will never forgive you if you’re wrong!!

//

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:56:33am

re: #168 Eclectic Cyborg

Hopefully it’s forever.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 6:59:31am

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:00:09am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and straight talk.

politicians are seeing that the NRA is falling apart and is no longer a force to be feared

Actual straight talk like hey dumbass you don’t need an AK-47.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:00:13am

In case anyone forgot: After the Christchurch shooting, New Zealand got new gun restrictions passed in like three weeks.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:00:25am

re: #164 i(m)p(each)sos

Are you sure it’s safe to?

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:01:24am

Holy shit, Meet the Chuck just comes right out and calls it “domestic terrorism.” Unfortunately he refers to the terrorist as a “gunman.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:02:00am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

In case anyone forgot: After the Christchurch shooting, New Zealand got new gun restrictions passed in like three weeks.

My mom pointed that out.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:03:18am

My former roommate who is African American pointed out a horrifying reality. This guy in El Paso shot 59 people and he’s(Roomie) nervous about going for his wallet with the police.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:05:30am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

My former roommate who is African American pointed out a horrifying reality. This guy in El Paso shot 59 people and he’s(Roomie) nervous about going for his wallet with the police.

There’s something not white about that, isn’t there?

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:09:32am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

In case anyone forgot: After the Christchurch shooting, New Zealand got new gun restrictions passed in like three weeks.

Except that I doubt that New Zealand has a well-financed, all-pervasive “gun lobby” which has taken the time to buy up enough of the political structure to prevent such awful occurrences*.

Nor, AFAICT, a nearly-all-pervasive culture of glorifying guns and violence as part of the core national identity.

NOTE: “awful occurrences” is a [sarc] comment on the “NRA mentality” - the “awful occurrences” being gun-control legislation, not the mass-murders.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:09:36am

Has Trump issued gun control executive orders yet? Oh wait. He only uses those to make he and his friends money. Never mind. I wasn’t thinking.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:10:27am

re: #179 Ace Rothstein

Holy shit, Meet the Chuck just comes right out and calls it “domestic terrorism.” Unfortunately he refers to the terrorist as a “gunman.”

See? This was not the usual both-siderism festival that Chuck tends to lead.

But I’m sure he’ll be back to that next week.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:11:07am

Jake pointing out the cowardice

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:12:19am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s something not white about that, isn’t there?

It’s almost like we have a problem. Obviously I am glad the shooter was taken alive but if he can, if Dylann Roof can be treated for burgers after shooting up a church, then Eric Garner should not have to be strangled for selling cigarettes or Tamir Rice shot without warning for playing with a BB gun. I’ve seen some gun control opponents claim that strict gun control laws would be harmful to minorities. Got news for them, with lax gun laws, it’s happening. Maybe fucking white people should realize the bod they get as gun owners that minorities never do.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:12:25am

re: #175 Ace Rothstein

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When he’s white it’s “him”
When he’s not it’s “them”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:13:16am

re: #186 DangerMan

Jake pointing out the cowardice

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Greg’s too busy crying that California sells more guns than Texas.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:13:59am

I’m so old, I remember when Trump said he wasn’t afraid of the NRA.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:16:01am

re: #183 Jay C

Except that I doubt that New Zealand has a well-financed, all-pervasive “gun lobby” which has taken the time to buy up enough of the political structure to prevent such awful occurrences*.

Nor, AFAICT, a nearly-all-pervasive culture of glorifying guns and violence as part of the core national identity.

NOTE: “awful occurrences” is a [sarc] comment on the “NRA mentality” - the “awful occurrences” being gun-control legislation, not the mass-murders.

Exactly. It’s not just a gun problem, it’s a cultural problem.

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:16:13am

re: #186 DangerMan

Jake pointing out the cowardice

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Good: but unfortunately, the partisan imbalance here is likely to be exploited by the usual suspects to cast the shade of “politicization” of mass-shootings onto Democrats.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a response from one of those Texas GOPers on Tapper’s list along the lines of “See? THEY’RE using a mass tragedy as a foil for cheap political criticism - WE’RE in church praying for the victims

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:16:19am

In case anyone noticed or cares I figured out the syntax to embed a tweet

Not having a Twitter account, It took me 2 years

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:16:29am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:18:02am
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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:19:03am

re: #192 Jay C

Good: but unfortunately, the partisan imbalance here is likely to be exploited by the usual suspects to cast the shade of “politicization” of mass-shootings onto Democrats.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a response from one of those Texas GOPers on Tapper’s list along the lines of “See? THEY’RE using a mass tragedy as a foil for cheap political criticism - WE’RE in church praying for the victims

That’s ok with me
Apparently Republicans are impotent when theyre not strapped

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:19:04am

re: #194 Ace Rothstein

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He’s such a shameless asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:19:54am

re: #195 jaunte

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Bernie will never get it. That’s why he’s unequipped to be President.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:20:25am

re: #192 Jay C

Good: but unfortunately, the partisan imbalance here is likely to be exploited by the usual suspects to cast the shade of “politicization” of mass-shootings onto Democrats.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a response from one of those Texas GOPers on Tapper’s list along the lines of “See? THEY’RE using a mass tragedy as a foil for cheap political criticism - WE’RE in church praying for the victims

The kids from Parkland speaking out has broken some of that. It’ll still be there, but they seem to have put a serious dent in it.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:20:45am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Apparently it’s too much to ask for him to avoid NRA talking points today.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:22:12am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Bernie will never get it. That’s why he’s unequipped to be President.

Of course he gets it. He will still get gun lobby help until they are driven out of existence.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:22:43am

re: #192 Jay C

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a response from one of those Texas GOPers on Tapper’s list along the lines of “See? THEY’RE using a mass tragedy as a foil for cheap political criticism - WE’RE in church praying for the victims

Nah, they’ll just label CNN Fake News and call it a day.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:23:35am

What can Trump do, Chuck? How about stop being a racist asshole?

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:23:53am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:24:03am

re: #200 jaunte

Apparently it’s too much to ask for him to avoid NRA talking points today.

What amuses me is all his fans who hate Pelosi for being conservative on impeachment, Bernie’s been very conservative on that but I guess there’s different rules when you’re being promised the world.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:25:00am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

We don’t need another cult.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:25:01am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Bernie will never get it. That’s why he’s unequipped to be President.

Oh, he gets it - the white “working class” voters that he has only ever concentrated on think guns are only good so he will never be against guns. Vermont being nearly completely white and gun happy is the perfect exemplar to what he panders to. If that pisses off the young and destroys his chances for the presidency, well, he’ll keep his job stealing a paycheck for sitting in the senate accomplishing nothing and keeping he NRA happy with Vermont.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:25:07am

re: #201 Belafon

Of course he gets it. He will still get gun lobby help until they are driven out of existence.

And he will join, Tulsi, Williamson, & Delaney as the four I hope are nowhere near the ticket.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:27:02am

re: #204 jaunte

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Exactly but people without mental disabilities need to feel like they’re not like these killers. As someone with anxiety and an autism spectrum disorder, stop acting like sound mental minds can’t carry out murders. They do.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:27:12am

re: #206 jaunte

We don’t need another cult.

Nope

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:27:45am

re: #207 William Lewis

Oh, he gets it - the white “working class” voters that he has only ever concentrated on think guns are only good so he will never be against guns. Vermont being nearly completely white and gun happy is the perfect exemplar to what he panders to. If that pisses off the young and destroys his chances for the presidency, well, he’ll keep his job stealing a paycheck for sitting in the senate accomplishing nothing and keeping he NRA happy with Vermont.

True. He’s an enabler.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:38:29am
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Citizen K  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:40:21am

“Man, this ramp up in white supremacist violence is so strange, especially with all the ‘invasion’ and ‘infestation’ language toward their victims. Who knows where it came from. Meanwhile, President Trump today made racially tinged remarks that…”

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garzooma  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:41:16am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

Nah, they’ll just label CNN Fake News and call it a day.

Josh Marshall made an interesting point: not only did Trump’s racism inspire the El Paso killer, but also Trump’s gaslighting:

There’s abundant evidence the shooter is a big fan of President Trump and certainly of his worldview. And yet the manifesto includes a sort of preemptive rebuttal of any claims that he is a Trump supporter or that Trump influenced. He predicts that “the media” will identify him as a white supremacist and blame President Trump’s racist and xenophobic rhetoric for radicalizing him and provoking the attack. Such claims would be “fake news” and such claims will indeed only prove that “the media” is “fake news.

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jeffreyw  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:42:13am

re: #154 PhillyPretzel

I keep hope that there will be a photo of a nice rainbow of little birds one of these days.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:44:08am

Mick Mulvaney, FUCK YOU!

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jeffreyw  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:44:27am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Bernie will never get it. That’s why he’s unequipped to be President.

It’s hard to get a man to see something he’s being paid not to see.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:44:46am

“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:45:07am

re: #217 jeffreyw

It’s hard to get a man to see something he’s being paid not to see.

Is he still taking their dough?

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:45:21am

Texas Senator Calls For Terrorism

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:45:42am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Is he still taking their dough?

He’s still keeping them from endorsing the GOP opponent.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:45:54am

re: #218 jaunte

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“Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?”

Not even two months old. I hope he lives to see Texas turn bluer than his balls.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:46:29am

re: #221 Belafon

He’s still keeping them from endorsing the GOP opponent.

Yeah thought so. So much for money in politics being bad eh?

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:48:40am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Not even two months old. I hope he lives to see Texas turn bluer than his balls.

(I know the scene from Braveheart is fake, but) I hope that when he’s on his deathbed, one of his children whispers in his ear that they voted for Hegar.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:49:20am

re: #218 jaunte

[Texas gained almost nine Hispanic residents for every additional white resident last year”

What’s your point John?
Why post this? (Yes I know it was June)

Go ahead and say it

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:50:25am

re: #224 Belafon

(I know the scene from Braveheart is fake, but) I hope that when he’s on his deathbed, one of his children whispers in his ear that they voted for Hegar.

Ha.

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jeffreyw  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:50:31am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Is he still taking their dough?

The NRA, specifically? Don’t know I’m sure he sees his senate salary as such.

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Citizen K  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:52:30am

It all comes back to the racism.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:52:37am

re: #225 DangerMan

What’s your point John?
Why post this? (Yes I know it was June)

Go ahead and say it

He says so representing a state with a Spanish name and that was Spanish longer than it’s been American and have many especially in the border between us and Mexico who have been there longer than the English language has been in the US.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:56:01am
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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:57:20am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

True. He’s an enabler.

Not just an enabler - a fellow traveller. This is where my suspicions about his personal racism lead me: he left NYC for white bread Vermont and did as little as possible for the civil rights movement because he is personally racist. Perhaps he’s the classic “democrat who got mugged”. I don’t know, I don’t care, I want him away from the Democratic party and I want him to stop being the poster boy for the democratic socialist movement in America.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 7:59:30am

re: #230 jaunte

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Baby Snidely still thinks he won’t be one of the first killed if his buddies take full control of the nation. Idiot.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:03:16am

re: #231 William Lewis

Not just an enabler - a fellow traveller. This is where my suspicions about his personal racism lead me: he left NYC for white bread Vermont and did as little as possible for the civil rights movement because he is personally racist. Perhaps he’s the classic “democrat who got mugged”. I don’t know, I don’t care, I want him away from the Democratic party and I want him to stop being the poster boy for the democratic socialist movement in America.

He thinks improving the economy for everyone will make racism go away, which means he has no clue how even his constituents react around minorities.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:03:37am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

In case anyone forgot: After the Christchurch shooting, New Zealand got new gun restrictions passed in like three weeks.

Note: Prime Minister is a woman.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:04:29am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:04:38am

re: #186 DangerMan

You’d think of their case was so “god-givenly righteous”, they’d be begging to get in front of the tv.

And Mick Mulvaney on Meet the Chuck? He’s an awful, awful person. Chuck pushed back a bit but mostly let him slide with his “But Democrats have said bad things too!” bullshit.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:06:09am

re: #214 garzooma

Josh Marshall made an interesting point: not only did Trump’s racism inspire the El Paso killer, but also Trump’s gaslighting:

Gaslighting is a form of trolling. I expect more of it.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:06:19am

re: #235 jaunte

That quote should be used in every ad possible from tomorrow until election day next November.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:07:52am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:09:07am

re: #231 William Lewis

Not just an enabler - a fellow traveller. This is where my suspicions about his personal racism lead me: he left NYC for white bread Vermont and did as little as possible for the civil rights movement because he is personally racist. Perhaps he’s the classic “democrat who got mugged”. I don’t know, I don’t care, I want him away from the Democratic party and I want him to stop being the poster boy for the democratic socialist movement in America.

I agree with your take.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:09:57am

re: #235 jaunte

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:11:03am

re: #239 jaunte

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Yep Ben has helped incite a lot of bs too. He won’t own up to it though since he loves his fame as Ben Shapiro the Destroyer.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:11:04am
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:11:08am

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Rightwingconspirator  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:11:29am

Has this made the rounds here?
Pro Trump terrorists essentially.

FBI memo: Pro-Trump conspiracy theories like QAnon, Pizzagate pose a domestic terror threat

Scribd Document

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:12:31am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

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He should have called it Trump Chum (tm).

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:13:35am

Gaslighting

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:13:46am

re: #243 GlutenFreeJesus

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It’s so funny that a lot of cartoons I watch use that tilting of the head as a sign of the character being demented. They really were spot-on.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:13:58am

This actually reminds me of my research on 19th century Russia. These guys think they have Trump’s blessing just like the people who committed pogroms felt the Czar did and like the Czar, Trump incites.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:14:51am

re: #247 jaunte

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Gaslighting

If he were smart as he’s made out to be, he would realize how wrong on most everything he’s been but because he’s a hot air douche…

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ericblair  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:18:23am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Yep Ben has helped incite a lot of bs too. He won’t own up to it though since he loves his fame as Ben Shapiro the Destroyer.

All of these right wing young(ish) assholes are basically circus geeks, where instead of biting the heads off of live chickens they’re chucking out inflammatory racist shit to own the libs. They’re being paid to do things other normal people won’t do, not what they can’t do. And because they’re moral idiots, they can’t understand why other people don’t do this and reap the rewards, so that must mean that they’re so much smarter than me or you.

But when they go too far (which they can’t tell by themselves, because moral idiots) and they have to face any consequences, oh no, they never meant for that to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:19:20am

re: #251 ericblair

All of these right wing young(ish) assholes are basically circus geeks, where instead of biting the heads off of live chickens they’re chucking out inflammatory racist shit to own the libs. They’re being paid to do things other normal people won’t do, not what they can’t do. And because they’re moral idiots, they can’t understand why other people don’t do this and reap the rewards, so that must mean that they’re so much smarter than me or you.

But when they go too far (which they can’t tell by themselves, because moral idiots) and they have to face any consequences, oh no, they never meant for that to happen.

IT WAS SATIRE////

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:20:11am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Trump’s so-called spiritual advisor weighs in.

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That wasn’t an abundance of rain in the name of Jesus. That was an abundance of blood because you support a white supremacist and Jesus wasn’t there.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:20:19am

#TrumpsTerrorists is trending on twitter.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:21:55am

re: #254 I Would Prefer Not To

#WhiteSupremacistTerrorism has 5 times the number of Tweets…

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rhuarc  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:21:59am

Has the Dayton shooter been ID’d yet? I took a stroll through Twitter, but didn’t see anything. My first thought when I woke up and heard about it is that it was going to be an incel terrorist due to the location. Just curious.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:24:22am

re: #256 rhuarc

Has the Dayton shooter been ID’d yet? I took a stroll through Twitter, but didn’t see anything. My first thought when I woke up and heard about it is that it was going to be an incel terrorist due to the location. Just curious.

I don’t know if the author will update this diary, but as of 8:04 CT this morning, the police hadn’t released a name.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:30:29am

re: #230 jaunte

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:31:34am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:31:40am

Incel insurrection:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:33:21am

re: #260 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Incel insurrection:

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Not that their looks matter but more guys who probably blab about alpha males who are dorky as hell looking.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:33:54am

Another one? We gotta up those thoughts and prayers.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:35:59am

re: #262 Skip Intro

Only tots and pears will get us through this.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:36:28am

re: #260 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Incel insurrection:

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It’s a cult, with a costume and a haircut requirement.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:37:54am

Republican talking point for today: it’s the video games fault.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:39:08am

re: #265 DodgerFan1988

Republican talking point for today: it’s the video games fault.

And when your Fox watching “buddies” say it, tell them that Japan plays video games at a higher rate than we do.

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Citizen K  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:39:41am

re: #265 DodgerFan1988

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Republican talking point for today: it’s the video games fault.

Anything to not blame guns.

Here’s a shocker: games like Fortnite and the like are played in other countries too (shocking, I know), and yet they haven’t inspired the wave of violence the way things like…oh, I dunno…openly supported white supremacist rhetoric has. Just Fucking Saying, you know.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:40:20am

Here are 2 more sociopaths. This is getting eerie. Glitch in the matrix perhaps?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:41:04am

re: #265 DodgerFan1988

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Republican talking point for today: it’s the video games fault.

So pathetically predictable.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:41:33am
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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:43:32am

Guns don’t kill people. Video Games kill people.

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Citizen K  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:43:42am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

So pathetically predictable.

It’s all the old classics, same as before. And why not, they’ve successfully blameshifted every single other time before to the point that we have even less stringent gun laws since Newtown, and only getting worse.

Long as it works at making sure their sainted goddamn guns are never seen as the problem, they’ll keep doing it, and keep winning by doing it.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:45:08am

re: #270 The Pie Overlord!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:46:00am

re: #272 Citizen K

It’s all the old classics, same as before. And why not, they’ve successfully blameshifted every single other time before to the point that we have even less stringent gun laws since Newtown, and only getting worse.

Long as it works at making sure their sainted goddamn guns are never seen as the problem, they’ll keep doing it, and keep winning by doing it.

Hell I remember when the NRA blamed Natural Born Killers for Lanza when there was no evidence he saw it let alone was a fan. They’ll never talk about guns since we have this toxic belief about guns as being the solution. We don’t fucking value life and the proof is in how the NRA reduces preventing violence to good guys with guns and bad guys with guns.

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nowherenorth2  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:47:18am

Ahh the Lieberman argument for perpetrated violence by young white men.

I thought we were past it.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:47:51am

re: #272 Citizen K

It’s all the old classics, same as before. And why not, they’ve successfully blameshifted every single other time before to the point that we have even less stringent gun laws since Newtown, and only getting worse.

Long as it works at making sure their sainted goddamn guns are never seen as the problem, they’ll keep doing it, and keep winning by doing it.

You (the royal you), know how people complain that the old Democrats are still in a defensive formation because of what happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed, the Southern strategy was implemented, and Reagan did his thing to appeal to white racists? And how they need to be bold like the newer Democrats? I wonder if it’s time we stopped predicting what the GOP has gotten away with and do what the Parkland kids have done, and go after the GOP and others for their choices?

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nowherenorth2  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:48:58am

re: #271 BigPapa

It is funny they argue this, as I and many of the kids I work with use games as a release for their emotions. Fortnite and the like are also the new social connection for the bullied kids that I work with. It is where they are accepted. None of them have been radicalized at all. So goddamn done with this idea

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:49:25am

re: #276 Belafon

You (the royal you), know how people complain that the old Democrats are still in a defensive formation because of what happened after the Civil Rights Act was passed, the Southern strategy was implemented, and Reagan did his thing to appeal to white racists? And how they need to be bold like the newer Democrats? I wonder if it’s time we stopped predicting what the GOP has gotten away with and do what the Parkland kids have done, and go after the GOP and others for their choices?

I’m fine with pointing out that the GOP position on guns is soft on crime. It’s actually true unlike the crap they say about undocumented folks.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:49:38am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Hell I remember when the NRA blamed Natural Born Killers for Lanza when there was no evidence he saw it let alone was a fan. They’ll never talk about guns since we have this toxic belief about guns as being the solution. We don’t fucking value life and the proof is in how the NRA reduces preventing violence to good guys with guns and bad guys with guns.

And before that, Marilyn Manson got blamed for inspiring Harris and Klebold (Columbine Massacre).

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:52:11am

re: #271 BigPapa

Guns don’t kill people. Video Games kill people.

This is an oldie but goodie recycled from the past. Anyone remember the last time the GOP used this excuse?

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:52:22am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

And before that, Marilyn Manson got blamed for inspiring Harris and Klebold (Columbine Massacre).

We either need to address our gun issue or our white male issue. It’s time they chose.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:52:31am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

And before that, Marilyn Manson got blamed for inspiring Harris and Klebold (Columbine Massacre).

And before that, Tupac Shakur got blamed for “inspiring” gang violence in the black community.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:52:58am

re: #279 Dr Lizardo

And before that, Marilyn Manson got blamed for inspiring Harris and Klebold (Columbine Massacre).

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:54:04am

re: #282 DodgerFan1988

And before that, Tupac Shakur got blamed for “inspiring” gang violence in the black community.

The funny thing is country music has violent imagery too. Plenty of death in country music.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:54:37am

Can we make that the slogan: Guns don’t kill people, white males do. It’s time we limited white males. Full disclosure, I’m a white male with three white male children.

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Ming5000  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:54:49am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

So pathetically predictable.

Republicans will take video games away from White Supremacists.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:54:57am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Lots of vandalism too. “Before he Cheats.”

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:55:13am

re: #284 HappyWarrior

The funny thing is country music has violent imagery too. Plenty of death in country music.

Some “Christian” the other day declared that country music is no longer godly.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:55:20am

re: #285 Belafon

I’m a white male, too. We crazy as fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:56:02am

re: #288 Belafon

Some “Christian” the other day declared that country music is no longer godly.

I saw that. Crazy.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:58:12am

We have a “crisis of loneliness” in this country, and that’s why all these white males are lighting up Wal-Marts and bars according to the oracle Jonah Goldberg.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:58:47am

re: #288 Belafon

Some “Christian” the other day declared that country music is no longer godly.

Black people are singing it is why.

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makeitstop  Aug 4, 2019 • 8:59:17am

re: #288 Belafon

Some “Christian” the other day declared that country music is no longer godly.

That ‘Christian’ must have missed ol’ Hank, all those many years ago. He was totally not godly.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:01:29am

re: #291 Ace Rothstein

We have a “crisis of loneliness” in this country, and that’s why all these white males are lighting up Wal-Marts and bars, according to the oracle Jonah Goldberg.

Incel apologist.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:01:36am

re: #291 Ace Rothstein

We have a “crisis of loneliness” in this country, and that’s why all these white males are lighting up Wal-Marts and bars according to the oracle Jonah Goldberg.

I would call myself shy. I’m also single. And I’ve been underemployed more than not. But nope wouldn’t shoot up a Walmart nor think of it. I value life. Jonah can fo.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:02:19am

re: #292 Skip Intro

Black people are singing it is why.

That’s what I thought this was about and Lil Nas X came out too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:03:03am

re: #294 DodgerFan1988

Incel apologist.

He writes for Incel Snob- NRO.

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sagehen  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:03:33am

re: #293 makeitstop

That ‘Christian’ must have missed ol’ Hank, all those many years ago. He was totally not godly.

Johnny Cash-Cocaine Blues/Lyrics

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:04:15am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:05:01am

So, my Sony Vaio laptop has pretty much bit the dust: I figure it’s the CPU overheating (it is almost eight years old now).

So, I managed to get Ubuntu running on this little old Acer Aspire One netbook. Not bad, a little slow, as this particular model uses the Intel Atom chip. But…..it’s working (I picked this one up cheap about two years ago…it had a bootleg copy of Windows 7). This morning, I downloaded Ubutnu 18.04, and just made this little beast a straight-up Ubuntu machine.

Eventually, I’ll save up the money to see if I can get the Vaio fixed, or at least, running long enough to pull the vital data off it. Hopefully, someday in the next year or so, I’ll have the $$$ to buy a good used laptop.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:05:49am

JFC
This is the barely cold Dayton shooter, Connor Betts:


heavy.com
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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:07:02am

re: #292 Skip Intro

Black people are singing it is why.

As they have been before. And name me a black man more white than Darius Rucker, because I used to listen to Hootie. //

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:20am

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

What is that on his vest in the left picture?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:26am

So, I wake up this morning, and Twitter’s talking about the mass shooting. No, not THAT mass shooting. The OTHER mass shooting that happened later that same day.

Holy fuck! 29 or 30 people dead in less than 24 hours in two places because we NEED TO be able to buy a gun if you’re 18 and managed never to be convicted of a felony.

And the Right is predictably “we may never know…”, but it’s rock music. Or videogames. Or loneliness. Or Smartphones. Because we’re the only country with those, god knows.

Fuck.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:40am

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

JFC
This is the barely cold Dayton shooter, Connor Betts:

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heavy.com

It seems the glasses are also part of the wardrobe.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:41am

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

JFC
This is the barely cold Dayton shooter, Connor Betts:

[Embedded content]

heavy.com

Damn near three-of-a-kind.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:43am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:08:52am

You know. I’m a gamer like many my age. I actually kind of think I value life a little more because of games. Yeah I’ve shot people in games. But I’ve also wanted to protect characters even if their life wasn’t important to a game’s outcome. I remember one game. Medal of Honor Frontline.

One level you parachute into occupied Netherlands during Operation Market Garden. Beautiful orchestral music is playing. One of your comrades has his shoot stuck in a church. You can’t save him. The soldier who survives with you, his life isn’t important to beating the level but I still tried to protect him.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:10:18am

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

JFC
This is the barely cold Dayton shooter, Connor Betts:

[Embedded content]

heavy.com

Trump cult followers are already calling it a false flag operation.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:10:28am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

You know. I’m a gamer like many my age. I actually kind of think I value life a little more because of games. Yeah I’ve shot people in games. But I’ve also wanted to protect characters even if their life wasn’t important to a game’s outcome. I remember one game. Medal of Honor Frontline.

One level you parachute into occupied Netherlands during Operation Market Garden. Beautiful orchestral music is playing. One of your comrades has his shoot stuck in a church. You can’t save him. The soldier who survives with you, his life isn’t important to beating the level but I still tried to protect him.

I didn’t know about the guy getting stuck on the church until a couple of months ago, but it’s a real thing that occurred.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:10:59am

re: #300 Dr Lizardo

So, my Sony Vaio laptop has pretty much bit the dust: I figure it’s the CPU overheating (it is almost eight years old now).

So, I managed to get Ubuntu running on this little old Acer Aspire One netbook. Not bad, a little slow, as this particular model uses the Intel Atom chip. But…..it’s working (I picked this one up cheap about two years ago…it had a bootleg copy of Windows 7). This morning, I downloaded Ubutnu 18.04, and just made this little beast a straight-up Ubuntu machine.

Eventually, I’ll save up the money to see if I can get the Vaio fixed, or at least, running long enough to pull the vital data off it. Hopefully, someday in the next year or so, I’ll have the $$$ to buy a good used laptop.

Were you running Ubuntu on the Viao? If so, pull the drive out, use this: smile.amazon.com to copy the data off the drive to your new machine. Save the money towards a decent new machine (laptop or desktop - I built an AMD Ryzen 5 desktop with 16 gb ram and 1.5 tb disk for ~$400) instead of trying to fix the Viao - laptop repairs are pretty much useless IME & all that.

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lawhawk  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:11:48am

So, right wingers are again trotting out the canard that video games make the mass shooters act out their violent fantasies?

Fuck that.

South Korea and Japan have a far larger gamer culture. They don’t have mass shootings, let alone the gun deaths per capita seen here in the US. Asia-Pacific has nearly 6x the gamers, but a fraction of the gun violence.

That’s because it’s not about the video games, or the mental health (which is remarkably constant across societies around the world).

It’s the easy fucking availability of guns.

States with strong gun laws have lower per capita gun death rates.
Countries with strong gun laws have lower per capita gun death rates.

It’s the fucking guns. And every media outlet that allows any of these GOP fuckers to claim otherwise should use the facts and call them out on their dumbfucking nonsense and deflections.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:14:00am

re: #311 William Lewis

Thanks for the tip: yeah, I was using Ubuntu on the Vaio too.
Yeah, repairing a laptop is probably useless and not worth the time, effort or money.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:15:27am

re: #303 Ace Rothstein

What is that on his vest in the left picture?

The patch appears to say “Against all Gods.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:15:29am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:15:32am

re: #310 Belafon

I didn’t know about the guy getting stuck on the church until a couple of months ago, but it’s a real thing that occurred.

That actually happened in Operation Overlord. I’m happy to report Pvt John Steele not only survived being a sitting duck and then escaped captivity and served out the remainder of the war and won a Bronze Star & Purple Heart. Hmmm two things past GOP conventions and nominees have belittled. There’s a tavern in Normandy named for him too.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:16:53am

re: #312 lawhawk

Yep. If we tightened shit up to the level of even the Czech Republic (a gun loving nation in Europe) it we’d be rid of 90% of these shooters. Why? Becuase a psych eval is required to get your license. Pretty damned liberal once you have it, I might add, but the reality is that first step is what we desperately need and is in NO WAY a violation of the 2nd amendment. It’s not “mental health” the way the Right Wing wants us to believe but the nutjobs would still fail a proper eval.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:17:46am

re: #313 Dr Lizardo

Thanks for the tip: yeah, I was using Ubuntu on the Vaio too.
Yeah, repairing a laptop is probably useless and not worth the time, effort or money.

No prob, that’s how I got the data from my old laptop onto the new desktop. USB 3 is actually fairly quick at it too.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:18:11am

re: #312 lawhawk

So, right wingers are again trotting out the canard that video games make the mass shooters act out their violent fantasies?

Fuck that.

South Korea and Japan have a far larger gamer culture. They don’t have mass shootings, let alone the gun deaths per capita seen here in the US. Asia-Pacific has nearly 6x the gamers, but a fraction of the gun violence.

That’s because it’s not about the video games, or the mental health (which is remarkably constant across societies around the world).

It’s the easy fucking availability of guns.

States with strong gun laws have lower per capita gun death rates.
Countries with strong gun laws have lower per capita gun death rates.

It’s the fucking guns. And every media outlet that allows any of these GOP fuckers to claim otherwise should use the facts and call them out on their dumbfucking nonsense and deflections.

Exactly. Gaming is huge in those countries. But nope. The GOP are just a buncha gum hiding chicken shits.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:18:20am

Stay aware of this bit of both-siderist bs from news media.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:18:34am
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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:20:40am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I really feel sorry for the “other Connor Betts” - I’m thinking he’s likely to have to do a complete social-media change to avoid being tarred with the crimes of his namesake.

Just another casualty of the social-media age…..

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:20:48am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s why Wheat and I didn’t support the attempts to dox the Covington kid. The wrong people get identified and harassed.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:21:07am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh well, A quick look at young Connor Betts shows he’s a certified little MAGA shit

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:21:22am

re: #322 Jay C

I really feel sorry for the “other Connor Betts” - I’m thinking he’s likely to have to do a complete social-media change to avoid being tarred with the crimes of his namesake.

Just another casualty of the social-media age…..

I had a friend on the DNF list shared his name with a Scottish terrorist. Seems that would pale in comparison.

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mmmirele  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:21:40am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹🎃

While Gov. Abbot is busy bashing Antifa, he has not ordered the flag in his state to half-mast for the deadliest mass-murder in Texas as of yet.

When I went to UT Austin in 1980, the deadly Tower shooting was still alive in the memories of a lot of people there. Even we as students could wander the West and Main Malls and see the scars from the shooting. Now even the bullet scratches and missing chunks of rock have been buffed out of the metal and stonework, because we can’t be reminding people of the past. I am so damned tired of this. Very tired.

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jeffreyw  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:24:30am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

That actually happened in Operation Overlord. I’m happy to report Pvt John Steele not only survived being a sitting duck and then escaped captivity and served out the remainder of the war and won a Bronze Star & Purple Heart. Hmmm two things past GOP conventions and nominees have belittled. There’s a tavern in Normandy named for him too.

Around these parts we consider him a local boy.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:25:16am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

That’s why Wheat and I didn’t support the attempts to dox the Covington kid. The wrong people get identified and harassed.

This also happened after Boston too. Glenn Beck and the Saudi student.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:25:26am

re: #280 Skip Intro

This is an oldie but goodie recycled from the past. Anyone remember the last time the GOP used this excuse?

The South Koreans, Japanese, Germans and Dutch play just as much, if not more video games than Americans and yet they have no mass shootings. YOU CAN’T EXPLAIN THAT!!! /////////////////////////////////////////////

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:26:28am

re: #327 jeffreyw

Around these parts we consider him a local boy.

Hard to believe he was 32 in D Day. My grandfather’s oldest brother also was a 30 year old enlisted nab

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:27:59am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Thank you for calling the Normandy invasion by its proper name Operation Overlord.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:28:17am
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:30:16am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:30:42am

re: #331 PhillyPretzel

Thank you for calling the Normandy invasion by its proper name Operation Overlord.

No problem.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:33:07am

re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

An evli man on what can only be described as a totally evil media company.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:33:09am

re: #333 The Pie Overlord!

Fucking disgusting piece of shit.

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mmmirele  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:33:10am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Trump’s so-called spiritual advisor weighs in.

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That wasn’t an abundance of rain in the name of Jesus. That was an abundance of blood because you support a white supremacist and Jesus wasn’t there.

Wow! I’m blocked by Trump’s “spiritual advisor”! Hooray!

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:33:18am

re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If this weekend was the first time you saw Governor Jade Helm, you would secretly think so. If you knew what he was like during Obama, you would outright know.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:33:51am

re: #333 The Pie Overlord!

Stochastic terrorist.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:34:12am

If Obama…never mind.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:36:03am

re: #340 Ace Rothstein

If Obama…never mind.

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When trump is completely disgraced a photo of him at you wedding will be worth something.

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makeitstop  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:37:18am

re: #341 I Would Prefer Not To

When trump is completely disgraced a photo of him at you wedding will be worth something.

Worth putting in the ‘We shall never speak of this again’ pile.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:37:26am

re: #340 Ace Rothstein

If Obama…never mind.

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Trump gets Prima Nochte on all brides who have their weddings at his venues. It’s in the fine print. ///

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:38:56am

re: #343 The Pie Overlord!

An excellent reason not to get married at Mar-a-logo. (Or whatever his place is called.)

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:40:30am
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:40:43am

re: #343 The Pie Overlord!

Trump gets Prima Nochte on all brides who have their weddings at his venues. It’s in the fine print. ///

(Jus) primae noctis. Just saying.

/Latin pedant

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:42:35am

re: #344 PhillyPretzel

An excellent reason not to get married at Mar-a-logo. (Or whatever his place is called.)

It’s a feature. They love it. Trumpers all.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:42:41am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:43:49am

re: #310 Belafon

I didn’t know about the guy getting stuck on the church until a couple of months ago, but it’s a real thing that occurred.

re: #316 HappyWarrior

That actually happened in Operation Overlord. I’m happy to report Pvt John Steele not only survived being a sitting duck and then escaped captivity and served out the remainder of the war and won a Bronze Star & Purple Heart. Hmmm two things past GOP conventions and nominees have belittled. There’s a tavern in Normandy named for him too.

The church in Sainte-Mère-Église still hangs a parachute and mannequin from the roof

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:44:13am

If you gave every nutcake or morose incel in Japan or the Netherlands unrestricted access to AR-15s and ammunition there would be a lot of mass shootings there too. Mental health needs more attention here but the gun humpers’ focus on it is a classic red herring.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:44:54am

re: #348 jaunte

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Time for some NSA hackers to take down 4Chan and 8Chan.

They’ll scream, of course. But you know what?

Fuck ‘em. Let them scream.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:45:51am
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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:46:21am

I see Ivanka has weighed in with a tweet just as vapid as she is.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:47:40am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:48:52am

re: #351 Dr Lizardo

Time for some NSA hackers to take down 4Chan and 8Chan.

They’ll scream, of course. But you know what?

Fuck ‘em. Let them scream.

As I’ve mentioned before when right-wing media got slapped down, it could be worse: Zhukov’s men were armed with flamethrowers when they took down Radio Berlin in 1945.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:51:50am

re: #353 Skip Intro

I see Ivanka has weighed in with a tweet just as vapid as she is.

I hate Ivanka. Really hate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:52:43am

re: #337 mmmirele

Wow! I’m blocked by Trump’s “spiritual advisor”! Hooray!

Oh she blocked me too!

Just like J0el 0$teen when I asked if the $600K stolen from his church wound up in his Swiss bank account…

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:53:45am

re: #356 I Would Prefer Not To

I hate Ivanka. Really hate.

Princess Vapidonka

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:55:06am

re: #355 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As I’ve mentioned before when right-wing media got slapped down, it could be worse: Zhukov’s men were armed with flamethrowers when they took down Radio Berlin in 1945.

I’m reminded of when the French got tired of the Russian BS during the Berlin Airlift.

The allies were working on a second airport because Templehoff just wasn’t big enough and had apartment buildings lining the approach.The problem was the Russian radio towers were in the way and technically on land the French controled. Now, French/US/British relations have always been… _interesting_ but one day the Russian boss finally PO’d the French commander.

The other allied commanders were in a meeting when they heard an explosion. Thinking they were about to hear of another transport crashing, the phone rings. It was the French commander saying they didn’t need to worry about the radio tower anymore. They had dynamited it. :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 9:55:33am

re: #356 I Would Prefer Not To

I hate Ivanka. Really hate.

I truly detest the Xtians already setting up an Ivanka 2024 committee…

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:00:09am

According to an MSNBC journalist, Conor Betts appeared to have murdered his sister and her boyfriend prior to this shooting spree; their bodies were found in a vehicle. Nothing known yet about his motivation.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:00:53am

re: #360 Joe Bacon 🌹

I truly detest the Xtians already setting up an Ivanka 2024 committee…

If she runs from a jail cell, I’ll kick in 10 bucks.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:02:12am

re: #361 Hecuba’s daughter

According to an MSNBC journalist, Conor Betts appeared to have murdered his sister and her boyfriend prior to this shooting spree; their bodies were found in a vehicle. Nothing known yet about his motivation.

Go-For-Broke-Pattern. Sandy Hook murderer killed his mother in the overture.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:04:51am

Given that the NRA seems to be imploding now because of a combination of corruption and Russian ties, it’s certainly possible that Trump and the GOP may actually take some limited measures to pass some limited gun control measures.

Even our RW gun-loving Dallas brother said yesterday that he thought it was time for “red flag” laws

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Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:05:18am

re: #350 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If you gave every nutcake or morose incel in Japan or the Netherlands unrestricted access to AR-15s and ammunition there would be a lot of mass shootings there too. Mental health needs more attention here but the gun humpers’ focus on it is a classic red herring.

When you compare us to other nations, even nations with high gun ownership, one thing stands out—slavery. Even “nice” Canada shares a history of genocide, but slavery is the cancer that is still in our blood stream.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:10:30am

re: #337 mmmirele

Wow! I’m blocked by Trump’s “spiritual advisor”! Hooray!

Congratulations on a job well done.

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makeitstop  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:12:47am

So that racist shitbag kid who got expelled from his school for being a racist shitbag and making racist gun videos is apparently the son of some GOP bigwig. Go figure.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:13:18am

re: #332 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #365 Decatur Deb

When you compare us to other nations, even nations with high gun ownership, one thing stands out—slavery. Even “nice” Canada shares a history of genocide, but slavery is the cancer that is still in our blood stream.

Slavery and not confronting its immediate legacy. Making Lee and those guys into romantic heroes fighting for a lost cause rather than slavery’s preservation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:13:23am

re: #365 Decatur Deb

When you compare us to other nations, even nations with high gun ownership, one thing stands out—slavery. Even “nice” Canada shares a history of genocide, but slavery is the cancer that is still in our blood stream.

One can tie slavery to the gun culture, since it was fear of slave revolts that led to the creation of armed militias and such in the South. And the fear of Those People rising up and raping and murdering white people persists to this day as the primary reason for being armed.

When Obama (one of Those People) was President, this expressed itself as the need to protect against ‘government tyranny’ - since the government was now run by Those People.

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:16:41am

re: #361 Hecuba’s daughter

According to an MSNBC journalist, Conor Betts appeared to have murdered his sister and her boyfriend prior to this shooting spree; their bodies were found in a vehicle. Nothing known yet about his motivation.

Great.
Now the RWNJs can deflect the blame for the Dayton massacre off into “domestic dispute” territory, and try to ignore any “social” or “political” motivations…..

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:18:04am

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:18:34am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

Slavery and not confronting its immediate legacy. Making Lee and those guys into romantic heroes fighting for a lost cause rather than slavery’s preservation.

The idea that not killing all the coconspirators that rebelled against the US was a very bad idea. They should have all been summarily executed; either hanging or shooting would have sufficed.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:19:41am

“Thoughts & Prayers” from someone who never thinks & never prays.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:20:19am

For once, I want someone in the media to ask Trump and every Republican this question: “Are mass shootings the price for the freedom of the Second Amendment?”

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:20:32am

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

One can tie slavery to the gun culture, since it was fear of slave revolts that led to the creation of armed militias and such in the South. And the fear of Those People rising up and raping and murdering white people persists to this day as the primary reason for being armed.

When Obama (one of Those People) was President, this expressed itself as the need to protect against ‘government tyranny’ - since the government was now run by Those People.

Only partially. The militia really was intended to be the sole means of defense of the nation as well because of the terrorism of the New Model Army during the English Civil War. The northern founding fathers were convinced that a standing army would create a tyranny. The south, with it’s tyranny already in place, was concerned with keeping it. The militia met both their needs and you get the 2nd Amendment and the Militia Acts of 1792 which included requirements for every male citizen to own a military class long gun (.69 caliber flintlock smoothbore) which would be the same as requiring every citizen today to own a M-4 carbine as is currently issued by the Army. They wouldn’t blink an eye at it if that kept there from being either a standing army or a slave uprising.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:21:13am

re: #373 The Pie Overlord!

“Thoughts & Prayers” from someone who never thinks & never prays.

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Your father’s policies and rhetoric made some of them not seek medical help. You’re nothing but a worse Marie Antoinette.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:21:35am

You may have noticed (or not) that when Baby Whiplash rants & raves about people who are “NOT REAL JUICE!!!!” or “JUICE IN NAME ONLY!!!” he never mentions Jared and Ivanka.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:22:30am

re: #372 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The idea that not killing all the coconspirators that rebelled against the US was a very bad idea. They should have all been summarily executed; either hanging or shooting would have sufficed.

We should have made the British response to the Jacobite risings seem tame.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:23:41am

6 of the 9 killed in Dayton were African-American.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:24:18am

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

One can tie slavery to the gun culture, since it was fear of slave revolts that led to the creation of armed militias and such in the South. And the fear of Those People rising up and raping and murdering white people persists to this day as the primary reason for being armed.

When Obama (one of Those People) was President, this expressed itself as the need to protect against ‘government tyranny’ - since the government was now run by Those People.

There are any number of pathways, but mainly how slavery corrupted the fundamental relationship of human-to-human. Sanctifying that in church doctrine, passing it through the generations, and continuing the economic exploitation through more sophisticated processes all carry it down to today’s elementary school playgrounds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:24:43am

re: #377 The Pie Overlord!

You may have noticed (or not) then when Baby Whiplash rants & raves about people who are “NOT REAL JUICE!!!!” or “JUICE IN NAME ONLY!!!” he never mentions Jared and Ivanka.

Yes that is interesting. But we know that deluded Benjyboy believes that Republicans are the Superior Race.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:25:11am

re: #379 jaunte

6 of the 9 killed in Dayton were African-American.

We do have a race war in our hands. It’s one sided, but it’s real.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:26:03am

re: #372 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The idea that not killing all the coconspirators that rebelled against the US was a very bad idea. They should have all been summarily executed; either hanging or shooting would have sufficed.

Remember that Andrew Johnson wanted to execute them. Grant pleaded with him to show mercy fearing it would cause an even bigger rebellion.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:30:50am
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:32:48am

OT I just got my new Tripp-Lite Bench Power Strip and finished installing it in the kitchen. Now all of my fluorescent lights, toaster oven, new microwave and telephone are all neatly placed on one power strip. And I saw another wasp. I still have wasp spray and I am going to use it tonight.

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Old Liberal  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:33:27am

re: #49 b.d.

I didn’t mean to come about as crass but we live in the United States of America and cities should not have to ask for donations during times of crisis, the families of fallen first responders shouldn’t have to hold fund raisers when one dies and people shouldn’t have to beg on GoFundMe pages to help pay their health care bills.

Sorry but I thought we were the best country on earth.

At the very least a gun excise tax could pay for funerals. An ammo tax for medical care. Personal responsibility and whatnot.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:34:23am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:35:22am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:37:25am

Mass shootings are another example of American exceptionalism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:40:58am

re: #373 The Pie Overlord!

“Thoughts & Prayers” from someone who never thinks & never prays.

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She’s getting absolutely hammered in the replies.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:41:40am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s getting absolutely hammered in the replies.

She’ll never see them. I doubt she even wrote those tweets herself.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:42:55am

Also, in other countries violent video games are the closest many people ever get to actually using an assault weapon.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:44:09am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:44:39am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:44:43am

There’s no reason whatsoever for Trump to say a word about these shootings. Why? Because Texas and Ohio should be locks to vote for him next November, and he can’t piss off the 2A purists.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:46:15am

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:50:58am

re: #395 Ace Rothstein

There’s no reason whatsoever for Trump to say a word about these shootings. Why? Because Texas and Ohio should be locks to vote for him next November, and he can’t piss off the 2A purists.

And let’s be brutally honest: If he loses TX and OH, he simply cannot get re-elected. Pretty much mathematical certainty.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:52:19am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:53:45am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

If he loses Texas he is 100% toast no matter what else happens. And he’s probably not. Texas will be a purple state in 2028, and quite possibly in 2024.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:53:48am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:55:14am

re: #398 Charles Johnson

Will never, ever happen. He’s all in with them.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:55:42am

re: #387 Charles Johnson

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Antisemites love you, Jack but I’m glad you’re showing your elitism by calling them toothless because it shows you don’t care about poor whites,

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:57:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:57:39am

re: #393 Charles Johnson

Oh Geraldo, you stupid mustachioed fuck.

You want heavily armed security at every school, every restaurant, every store, every gas station, every movie theater and every amusement park in America??

That is not a sane society. That’s a fucking POLICE STATE!!

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:57:43am

How is it that none of these shootings was ever stopped by a gun-totin’ 2A-Fan-Club-member Open-Carry citizen? Asking for a friend.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:59:04am

On this tragic and horrifying weekend, here is something that gave me a lift. McConnell being drowned out at Fancy Farm by chants of “Moscow Mitch!”

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 10:59:15am

re: #399 Ace Rothstein

If he loses Texas he is 100% toast no matter what else happens. And he’s probably not. Texas will be a purple state in 2028, and quite possibly in 2024.

I figure by 2024, Texas will be a swing state and by 2030, a blue state.

Once that happens, it’s all over for the GOP. They’re living on borrowed time.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:00:15am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

How is it that none of these shootings was ever stopped by a gun-totin’ 2A-Fan-Club-member Open-Carry citizen? Asking for a friend.

… It makes people sitting ducks for criminals. I’m not going to be a sitting dick…

Republican Club of Dayton has more than a few sitting dicks.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:00:54am

re: #403 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Dayton shooter was gunned down by police in about a minute. That was enough time for him to kill nine people and injure dozens others.

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jaunte  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:01:00am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

It’s only their *feelings* around competence and “taking action” they want to protect.
It doesn’t matter to them if they have no real effect.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:01:16am

re: #396 Skip Intro

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Kids do learn from their parents.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:01:40am
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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:02:01am

I’ve been reading about Texas being in play, it could be sooner than we think.

Trump has to be defeated handily to compensate for Russian Fuckery and voter disenfranchisement.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:02:38am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

How is it that none of these shootings was ever stopped by a gun-totin’ 2A-Fan-Club-member Open-Carry citizen? Asking for a friend.

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We’re all sitting ducks now and will continue to be until the GOP (R-Guns Over People) stops putting power and profits over American lives.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:04:01am
Texas Democrats seem to want Beto O’Rourke to run for the Senate against John Cornyn instead of trying to secure the Democratic presidential nomination. Only 27 percent of Texas Democrats want the El Paso Democrat to run for president versus 60 percent who want him to take on Cornyn. Still, Beto is the second choice of Texans, behind Biden, to take on Trump.

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:04:29am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:04:40am

re: #413 BigPapa

I’ve been reading about Texas being in play, it could be sooner than we think.

Trump has to be defeated handily to compensate for Russian Fuckery and voter disenfranchisement.

If, by some political miracle, the GOP were to lose TX next year, the GOP leadership would be running around in absolute, pants-shitting panic.

Truly, a sight to behold.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:05:28am

re: #415 BigPapa

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

Absolutely, and I think he could do it, too.

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Skip Intro  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:08:07am

re: #415 BigPapa

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

Or he could run for one of the open GOP seats and win. He’s has decades left to become president. Do something that counts now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:08:44am
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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:08:58am

re: #417 Dr Lizardo

Ya, I’m not calling it yet. But Beto and the DNC gotta see the polling and know they can take a shot.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:09:31am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

How is it that none of these shootings was ever stopped by a gun-totin’ 2A-Fan-Club-member Open-Carry citizen? Asking for a friend.

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Explain the gun violence here versus places with strict gun control.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:10:10am

re: #415 BigPapa

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

Agreed.

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DangerMan  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:10:11am

re: #390 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s getting absolutely hammered in the replies.

if she had any brains (i kid, i kid)
she wouldnt assume that twitter is the go to response format
better to put out a statement / press release and leave it at that

it cant be responded to directly
sure people can post it to their twitter or wherever and then drag her though the mud

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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:10:29am

Some sobering statistics.

[Mass Shootings] By decade

1950s: 0
1960s: 1 (University of Texas tower shooting)
1970s: 0
1980s: 6
1990s: 6
2000s: 7
2010s: 19 and counting

25 of these 39 mass shootings have taken place since 2007.

There have been as many of these shootings in the last 21 months as there were in any single decade prior to this one. We’ve gone from one such shooting every thirty years to one every three months. THERE HAVE BEEN MORE IN THE LAST 20 HOURS THAN THERE WERE COLLECTIVELY IN THE THIRTY YEARS BEFORE 1980.

Source: Paul Campos at LGM

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Decatur Deb  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:10:30am

re: #421 BigPapa

Ya, I’m not calling it yet. But Beto and the DNC gotta see the polling and know they can take a shot.

Might be enough to get Beto or Castro a VP slot.

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Old Liberal  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:11:39am

Many of these terrorists are seen carrying guns in the open. Here’s something the NRA Stand Your Ground morins should support:
See an open display of gun other than law enforcement you can kill them no questions asked. There is no way to know if someone carrying an AR15 into a store is a killer. So kill them. Pass this law and I’ll come back and do my part. Enough terrorism from these gun fuckers. One person’s “protection “ is another person’s threat. Enough one sided fight. We will never change an extremist’s mind just like you’ll never convert a Nazi.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:11:54am

re: #415 BigPapa

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

I still think Beto would make a good VP choice, but they have both him and Castro to choose from to target Texas.

As for Senator, I’m in for MJ Hegar now.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:13:10am

re: #265 DodgerFan1988

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Republican talking point for today: it’s the video games fault.

The GOPs video game talking point is showing us that they don’t care about the shootings. Every one can see the facts. They don’t care about the facts. They want us dead.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:14:25am

re: #419 Skip Intro

Or he could run for one of the open GOP seats and win. He’s has decades left to become president. Do something that counts now.

Senator is the only place he could run this year. He’s an El Paso resident, so he most likely be running against Democrats. State elections for higher offices aren’t until 2022.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:14:41am

re: #428 Belafon

I still think Beto would make a good VP choice, but they have both him and Castro to choose from to target Texas.

As for Senator, I’m in for MJ Hegar now.

I think both of them would be great for VP.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:14:47am

re: #421 BigPapa

Ya, I’m not calling it yet. But Beto and the DNC gotta see the polling and know they can take a shot.

The careerist theory is that if Beto loses a second consecutive senate campaign, his career is over. But I don’t see how losing a presidential campaign helps his career, and even if he narrowly loses to Corbyn he stands a good chance of being nominated for a Cabinet position in the next Democratic Administration.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:17:07am

Some clarification.
Gunman’s sister, and her boyfriend were among the 9 people killed at the singular mass murder event. Not at a separate location or time

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KGxvi  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:17:16am

re: #428 Belafon

I still think Beto would make a good VP choice, but they have both him and Castro to choose from to target Texas.

As for Senator, I’m in for MJ Hegar now.

I still wonder how much of an effect the VP pick has on putting states in play. I honestly can’t think of the last time one did. Kaine and Pence were from states that their nominees were probably going to win no matter what. Same with Biden and Palin in 2008. Ryan in 2012 always felt more like a “keeping the movement conservatives happy” pick by someone always considered a squish. Maybe Edwards in 2004? Cheney and Lieberman weren’t swinging any states in 2000. Otherwise you probably have to go back to like LBJ in 1960.

I suspect that most people vote for the top of the ticket and don’t really put much thought into the VP pick.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:18:10am

re: #433 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Some clarification.
Gunman’s sister, and her boyfriend were among the 9 people killed at the singular mass murder event. Not at a separate location or time

He went after her and her boyfriend, and the other people were just in the way.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:18:49am

More of this please.

In an appearance on MSNBC’s “AM Joy,” the former Assistant Director for Counterintelligence at the FBI set aside all niceties … “They need to hear the recruiter-in-chief, the radicalizer-in-chief condemn them in order to break that chain of radicalization,” he explained while discussing the growing white nationalist movement. … Source: Raw Story</blockquote>

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:19:14am

Last election there were 26 Senate Dem seats up compared to 9 GOP seats.

This election is 22 GOP Senate seats vs 12 Dem seats.

Senator O’Rourke sounds really nice right now. We need the Senate to start the long process of undoing the damage of the last several years. Shit, really, going back to Gingrich which was probably our first AM Radio politician.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:19:36am

re: #425 Teddy’s Person

It’s been noted that while violent crime overall is going down, mass shooting incidents are on the increase.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:20:47am

re: #434 KGxvi

I still wonder how much of an effect the VP pick has on putting states in play. I honestly can’t think of the last time one did. Kaine and Pence were from states that their nominees were probably going to win no matter what. Same with Biden and Palin in 2008. Ryan in 2012 always felt more like a “keeping the movement conservatives happy” pick by someone always considered a squish. Maybe Edwards in 2004? Cheney and Lieberman weren’t swinging any states in 2000. Otherwise you probably have to go back to like LBJ in 1960.

I suspect that most people vote for the top of the ticket and don’t really put much thought into the VP pick.

True, but the one time you listed that really helped was the last time a Texan was picked. As a VP pick, either one would have more reason than most to come here. And anything that makes Texas a target for 2020 would not only help Democrats here, but would hinder the GOP who are getting worried that Texas is swinging.

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KGxvi  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:21:36am

re: #432 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The careerist theory is that if Beto loses a second consecutive senate campaign, his career is over. But I don’t see how losing a presidential campaign helps his career, and even if he narrowly loses to Corbyn he stands a good chance of being nominated for a Cabinet position in the next Democratic Administration.

Losing a presidential primary doesn’t preclude a cabinet position in 2021 (see: Clinton, Hillary). And plenty of presidential candidates don’t win the nomination and still go on to have careers after. This is Biden’s third time running for president after all - what is a bit unique for Beto is that he’s not currently holding office. Running in this primary keeps his name and face in the news, which is likely helpful if he wants to run for something else in the next cycle - high name ID always makes you an early frontrunner (see: Sanders, Bernie)

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:22:40am

re: #405 The Pie Overlord!

How is it that none of these shootings was ever stopped by a gun-totin’ 2A-Fan-Club-member Open-Carry citizen? Asking for a friend.

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That’s a great way to get yourself killed by the police when they show up and see you with a gun and think you are the shooter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:23:22am

real headline…not the Onion

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:25:53am

re: #433 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Some clarification.
Gunman’s sister, and her boyfriend were among the 9 people killed at the singular mass murder event. Not at a separate location or time

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Does anyone know if her boyfriend was a minority?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:25:53am
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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:26:24am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:28:35am

Dark Falcon is on Twitter defending Dana Loesch today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:29:51am

re: #446 Charles Johnson

Dark Falcon is on Twitter defending Dana Loesch today.

That boy really let his freak flag fly once he gave up trying to be the Thoughtful Conservative here, didn’t he?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:31:14am
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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:33:01am

re: #413 BigPapa

I’ve been reading about Texas being in play, it could be sooner than we think.

Trump has to be defeated handily to compensate for Russian Fuckery and voter disenfranchisement.

That link goes to a commercial membership club page and advertising for some tech company in Hawai’i for me.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:33:55am

Gonna call it a day: up early for work tomorrow. Monday beckons.

Have a good one, Lizards.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:35:49am

re: #443 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Does anyone know if her boyfriend was a minority?

That’s my totally un-substantiated suspicion: sister had black boyfriend, he couldn’t handle it.

Video from the scene showed a balance of white/black folk but it’s hard to say at this point if he was selective after killing his sister and boyfriend.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:36:44am

re: #449 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I’m such a dumbass. I’ll fix, please delete.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:37:20am

re: #448 Charles Johnson

To be sure, there are a number of major states that do not register voters by party, such as Texas, Georgia, Washington, and the keystones of the industrial Midwest: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. If they did register by party, Texas, Georgia, and Indiana would almost certainly add to the Republican total; the industrial states probably less so.

rasmussenreports.com

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:38:22am

re: #452 BigPapa

S’alright. I’ve posted bad links too. It happens.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:38:44am

Yep, they’re moving. Sigh.

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BigPapa  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:38:59am

re: #452 BigPapa

I’m such a dumbass. I’ll fix, please delete.

Time expired! I’m hosed.

Here’s the link I meant to use:
Early Presidential Poll Shows that Texas May Be In Play in 2020

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:39:47am

re: #443 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Does anyone know if her boyfriend was a minority?

They haven’t identified who her boyfriend was yet
But, given the age ranges, my guess is either Cumer or McNichols

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:40:13am

re: #452 BigPapa

re: #454 Anymouse 🌹🎃

All of us make mistakes. It proves that we are humans. :)

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:41:00am

re: #456 BigPapa

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:41:03am
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Dave In Austin  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:43:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:43:37am

Mayor of Dayton:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:44:34am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:52:47am

Yes, his pee pee is that tiny!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:53:38am

re: #464 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, his pee pee is that tiny!

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Jesus was totally into sniper rifles.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:55:34am

re: #463 Charles Johnson

He was gleaning the wedding party for acting secretaries.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:57:01am

re: #455 Amory Blaine

Yep, they’re moving. Sigh.

[Embedded content]

Mikey Teeney Weeney is begging for Karmic retribution.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:57:12am

re: #370 Jay C

Great.
Now the RWNJs can deflect the blame for the Dayton massacre off into “domestic dispute” territory, and try to ignore any “social” or “political” motivations…..

And it’s already on:

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:57:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:58:21am

Really dreading waking up tomorrow morning and hearing of another pair of mass shootings…

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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:59:01am

re: #468 Anymouse 🌹🎃

And it’s already on:

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My speculation on the terrorist killing his sister is that she and her boyfriend tried to stop him.

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:59:36am

re: #437 BigPapa

Last election there were 26 Senate Dem seats up compared to 9 GOP seats.

This election is 22 GOP Senate seats vs 12 Dem seats.

Senator O’Rourke sounds really nice right now. We need the Senate to start the long process of undoing the damage of the last several years. Shit, really, going back to Gingrich which was probably our first AM Radio politician.

I should probably do a more-thorough analysis to not come across as The Complete Debbie Downer; but I recall reading a breakdown a few months ago of the 2020 Senate races, and (at least at that time), it was considered at best a 50-50 chance for the Dems to take control of that Chamber: I think the reason is that while many more (R) seats are at stake, they are mainly in “Red States”: and those are considered unlikely to flip.

Yeah. “Senator O’Rourke” sounds really nice, but unseating Cornyn is going to be an uphill climb: IMO, Texas is still not quite that “purple” yet.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 11:59:57am

re: #464 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes, his pee pee is that tiny!

[Embedded content]

That thing looks like a semi-automatic version of a punt gun.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:01:35pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:02:49pm
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mmmirele  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:05:17pm

I’ve had enough of this crap.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:05:38pm

Cook Political Report seems to think at least for now, there’s a good chance the Dems will retain the House in 2020.

cookpolitical.com

I recall (but can’t find now) that early on in the 2018 race pundits and pollsters thought it unlikely the Dems would take the House, due to the number of seats required. Enthusiasm for the race changed so that later on in the cycle the predictions moved to a likely flip.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:05:39pm

re: #475 DodgerFan1988

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And the Russian bots have already suspended her account.

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Teddy's Person  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:06:39pm

re: #475 DodgerFan1988

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Despicable, but not surprising. Who’s going to tell him that the internet is forever, and thousands of tweeters have screen shots of those tweets?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:07:21pm

re: #475 DodgerFan1988

Get Barr’s Justice Department to enforce it now.

They haven’t enforced it before on Trump, and they’re ignoring the courts ordering him to unblock people on his Twitter account.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:08:33pm

re: #474 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:09:05pm

re: #478 Joe Bacon 🌹

And the Russian bots have already suspended her account.

Or just plenty of conservatives. At this point there’s hardly a difference.

Twitter will do anything to protect Nazis under the rubric of “Freeze Peach.”

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:11:06pm

re: #471 Teddy’s Person

My speculation on the terrorist killing his sister is that she and her boyfriend tried to stop him.

Here’s a theory, he knew his “race traitor” sister was going to be at a mixed club and went and “killed them all”.

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:11:49pm

re: #472 Jay C

ADD: And, of course, in the Age Of Wikipedia, I don’t have to do a more-through analysis of the 2020 Senate races: they’ve done it for me .

However, as I had thought, from a Democratic viewpoint, it’s not a very heartening prospect: (IMO) the Ds are going to have to have a run of very good election luck to pick up the five seats necessary for control.
Very good luck.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:12:47pm

Dinesh D’Felon, aspiring socialist, being publicly owned again in the comments.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:13:44pm

re: #485 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Dinesh D’Felon, aspiring socialist, being publicly owned again in the comments.

[Embedded content]

he saw the headline but did not read the article

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mmmirele  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:15:45pm

re: #475 DodgerFan1988

She’s got a replacement up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:17:09pm

re: #487 mmmirele

She’s got a replacement up.

[Embedded content]

Isn’t that in violation of Twitter policy?

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Jay C  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:17:10pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

he saw the headline but did not read the article

Even if he he had read it, do we really think Imbecile D’Souza would realize that most Swiss don’t actually “own” all those guns (the military does, and retirees have to turn them back to the Army)?

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rhuarc  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:21:14pm

My new guess on the Dayton shooter is that his sister was in an interracial relationship and that’s why she and her boyfriend died. And then he tried to take out as many PoC as possible.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:21:22pm

re: #487 mmmirele

She’s got a replacement up.

Got her account unsuspended pretty quickly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:21:28pm

good fucking grief…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:22:51pm

re: #478 Joe Bacon 🌹

And the Russian bots have already suspended her account.

Maybe more likely she deleted and then re-tweeted corrected version?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:24:24pm

re: #486 Backwoods_Sleuth

he saw the headline but did not read the article

Dinesh knows his audience. They can barely read the headline, let alone the article, His purpose in life is to provide them with these comebacks - “Oh, yeah? Well the Swiss have lots of guns, too!”, or “Oh, yeah? Well the Democrats started the KKK!”

Like Jim Hoft, he’s smart enough to know what he’s doing. But he keeps doing it because dishonestly in the service of The Cause is okay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:24:27pm

*SPIT*

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:24:38pm
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DodgerFan1988  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:24:46pm

Good grief.

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John Hughes  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:24:58pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Words can be slippery things, like when “traitor” gets thrown around. There’s the legal definition, and the colloquial one.

Yes but the US “legal” definition of terrorism is wrong.

Terrorism is violence against a civil population for political means. If the law doen’t say that the law is wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:25:08pm

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step, Tailgunner Ted.

Now do Trump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:25:11pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the hot and sunny wild north country. It’s a beautiful day outside - inside, not so much, after reading the headlines from last night and this morning. It’s senseless slaughter and the gun nuts are already rolling out the usual talking points, seeking to shut down the conversation before it can even start. How go things among the lizardfolk on this tragic Sunday?

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:26:40pm

re: #494 Blind Frog Belly White

Dinesh knows his audience. They can barely read the headline, let alone the article, His purpose in life is to provide them with these comebacks - “Oh, yeah? Well the Swiss have lots of guns, too!”, or “Oh, yeah? Well the Democrats started the KKK!”

Like Jim Hoft, he’s smart enough to know what he’s doing. But he keeps doing it because dishonestly in the service of The Cause is okay.

His audience does risk getting exposed to facts, however, when he’s hammered into the dirt on his own Twitter feed.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:27:01pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:27:34pm

re: #485 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Dinesh D’Felon, aspiring socialist, being publicly owned again in the comments.

[Embedded content]

People can own as many guns as they want but the government controls all the ammo.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:28:02pm
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Old Liberal  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:28:09pm

re: #499 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step, Tailgunner Ted.

Now do Trump.

If Cruz won’t even defend his wife I doubt the cowardly liar will ever show courage.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:34:17pm

re: #502 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Chowderhead responds;

Mexicans are not safe in the USA. Three are dead from the El Paso mass-murder.

The United States is obligated under international treaties and our own laws to protect foreigners within our borders.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:43:09pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:44:32pm

It’s the title of a movie, dumbass.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 4, 2019 • 12:56:54pm

re: #492 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…

[Embedded content]

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A Mom Anon  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:00:48pm

re: #508 The Pie Overlord!

Blackcraft Cult is a clothing company that does have a satanic bent to their designs. Anti Christian even. I get their newsletter, because I like their bat themed stuff, lol. That’s where that hoodie is from. Now they’re gonna get hate slammed by satanic panic Christians. Yay.

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Anymouse 🌹🎃  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:06:35pm

re: #505 Old Liberal

If Cruz won’t even defend his wife I doubt the cowardly liar will ever show courage.

Not trying to blame the victim here (Heidi Cruz), but one of Cruz’s superpacs started it against Trump in Utah, taking out billboards across the state with lingerie shots of Melania Trump to paint Melania Trump as immoral to Mormon voters.

Trump saw his wife attacked, and went after Cruz’s wife in response.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 4, 2019 • 1:11:09pm

re: #446 Charles Johnson

Dark Falcon is on Twitter defending Dana Loesch today.

Ah Jeez. He just can’t help himself, can he?

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sagehen  Aug 4, 2019 • 2:00:26pm

re: #415 BigPapa

I like Beto but I don’t think he’s the best POTUS candidate. He can do more for the country becoming a solid Senator now. Take out Cornyn.

Maybe a little late for him to run for TX Senate. But he can stump endlessly for MJ Hegar.


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