Seth Meyers: Trump Melts Down at Rally After Getting Impeached
Seth takes a closer look at Trump’s deranged rally after becoming the third president in history to be impeached and Republicans threatening to rig the Senate trial in his favor.
Seth takes a closer look at Trump’s deranged rally after becoming the third president in history to be impeached and Republicans threatening to rig the Senate trial in his favor.
I like how he labels things so I know what things are.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) December 20, 2019
He makes McNaughton look relatively restrained and tasteful. pic.twitter.com/bqetPtq3OW
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) December 20, 2019
Ha ha hardly. https://t.co/soMvFni0CR
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
CL’ed downstairs
From whining about ‘fake polls’ to declaring ‘Merry Christmas is true,’ here are the wildest moments from Trump’s campaign speech the night he was impeached 👀 pic.twitter.com/NF62vue8Ig
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) December 20, 2019
There must be some kind of rule that in order to be a big tech CEO you need to have a really weird hair style.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
re: #5 A Cranky One
This one from the NY Times is great, too:
“It’s amazing to see what Adult Swim can accomplish with a $100 million budget. I never knew Tom Hooper was capable of making a surrealist nightmare that would rival Jodorowsky, that could baffle David Lynch, that would prompt even the dark god Cthulhu to emit an impressed eldritch shriek of ‘nehehehehehe’.”
re: #5 A Cranky One
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
I put up a lot of them downstairs. Daaaaaaamn.
Cats is so bad it makes Uwe Boll movies look Oscar worthy.
re: #5 A Cranky One
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
I saw the show on Broadway and came out of it thinking - how the fuck did it ever get considered a hit in the first place? It was a muddled mess, but Memory was a great song.
ALW knows how to write beautiful music, and yet none of that papers over the fact that the show is a mess.
So, what did anyone expect from this movie? Those actors in it figure to have their name associated with a “beloved” Broadway hit, much as those who participated in Les Mis movie did (and Les Mis the movie was far better in most ways other than Javert being horribly miscast with Russell Crowe).
This appears to be horribly conceived, staged, and produced in every way imaginable.
And I suspect, some will go to see it in all of its horribleness just to say that they did.
I wont be one of them.
re: #5 A Cranky One
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
Criswell Bacon predicts that Cats will duplicate Adam Sandler’s RAZZIE Grand Slam for Jack & Jill!
Just because you can CGI most anything doesn’t mean that you should try (see also Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, etc.)
re: #5 A Cranky One
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
A sampling:
If only they used cats instead of demons…
…awful movie. Plus, Taylor Swift is on there, which makes it even more intolerable.
More crotch shots than a Michael Bay movie. I felt like the FBI was going to raid the theater.
Would not go to again. However, I did enjoy the scene where it was just people’s names.
This is not a movie, it is chaos…I cannot tell if I am five minutes in or five hours. It is the death of all things.
I can feel the light inside me fading.
Cat-ass-trophic waste of effort by everybody conceptualizing, producing, promoting and even watching this film
Oh God, my eyes.
Spectacular disaster. This movie feels like a prank, but I don’t know on whom.
It’s more like being trapped inside the head of a crazy cat lady that’s tripping balls on peyote. I felt kind dirty afterwards… I can’t decide if I need to see it again or if I need therapy. Maybe both.
It’s kind of like a musical riff on the Star Wars Holiday Special, directed by Tommy Wiseau, if he was a furry-obsessed porn director with a deep love of bad disco from the late 70s.
re: #5 A Cranky One
Epic.
appropriate (https://t.co/mXWejFTMRa): pic.twitter.com/r22DYLKCpM
— David Farrier (@davidfarrier) December 19, 2019
re: #13 lawhawk
Just because you can CGI most anything doesn’t mean that you should try (see also Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, etc.)
Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….
From the Evening Standard review:
“Yet these cats are never even momentarily plausible as cats either, obviously. Rather they seem to be grotesquely deformed human beings. There are moments when this film seems not so much an adaptation of a nonsense classic as a horror story, nearly as obscene as The Human Centipede.”
And now for something completely different.
Best astrophotographs of the decade.
re: #18 Dr Lizardo
From the Evening Standard review:
Who thought that a musical version of The Island of Dr Moreau would be a good holiday movie?
re: #17 Scottish Dragon
Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….
I don’t mind it, but NO EP 9 SPOILERS PLEASE!
brutal pic.twitter.com/3d3Y5tgIkG
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) December 20, 2019
“To the class bully,
Rules apply to you, and you may come to class and deliver your “What I did this year” report on 2/4/2019.
Signed,
The Teacher.”— Rick (@Corteran) December 20, 2019
Speaking of lying liars who lie…
DOJ: Cohen Lied To Us About His Interest In Working For Trump’s White House
They all lie when the truth would do.
re: #17 Scottish Dragon
Do NOT bring the good name of Star Wars into this….
Read an individual’s “review” of TROS: Michael Bey has finally made a Star Wars movie.
I just downloaded my favorite film-review podcast—Kermode and Mayo—and am looking forward to hearing Mark Kermode go on a rant about Cats.
re: #17 Scottish Dragon
Prequels are a CGI mess - and yes, they helped get the industry to this point we are at with Cats.
ILM was deeply involved in the SFX for Cats.
re: #23 jaunte
JFC on a 3WB !
Only Nancy Pelosi could manage to turn a routine formal invitation into a sick burn: and her target may probably not even notice.
re: #29 Jay C
Oh he’ll notice. He has no skin left.
re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg
I don’t mind it, but NO EP 9 SPOILERS PLEASE!
Darth Vader is Luke’s Dad. Luke kissed his … .sister.
Obi Wan is a failure.
I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.
re: #32 Dave In Austin
I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.
May the intestinal force be with you!
The trailer was so surreal. Saw it at a theater since I was with my niece. She pretty much had the same wtf reaction that my brother and I did.it looked to me almost self parody and the bizarre landscape of a steampunk meets furries.
re: #29 Jay C
JFC on a 3WB !
Only Nancy Pelosi could manage to turn a routine formal invitation into a sick burn: and her target may probably not even notice.
I was going to say that his staff will probably simply not show it to him, but even if they wanted to, social media will make sure he sees it. He’s going to tweet out how he’ll show up only if Nancy says she’s sorry for being a meanie. It will be a thing of pathetic beauty.
re: #32 Dave In Austin
I’m on my way for Tex-Mex and Star Wars.
I’m going in.
May the frijoles be with you
Beltway access media gonna beltway access media. This is just pathetic. https://t.co/Z1Pe1ryPg7
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
This kind of self-congratulating BS is how you know the media are going to be even worse in 2020. They refuse to learn how destructive the both-sides mindset has become.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
The current plague of conspiracy sites and fake right wing news couldn’t exist without a mainstream media that relentlessly does their “both sides” dance with every issue, even the ones that are destroying the country.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
Lawyers representing migrants seeking asylum at the border say U.S. border agents are systematically writing the same wrong address on the migrants’ papers, leaving hundreds with no way to receive communications from the government about their cases and undermining their ability to win asylum in the United States.
Source: NBS News
The banality of evil.
re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
that should be a punishable crime
It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.
re: #22 jaunte
I’d have preferred:
“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”
re: #41 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.
except that you know that supervisors will wink and look the other way
re: #42 KGxvi
I’d have preferred:
“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”
Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?
re: #39 Teddy’s Person
The banality of evil.
Those families will always think lesser of our country. Trump is alienating a generation of Central Americans to the US government.
re: #41 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
It probably is once it is shown to be purposeful. it minimally should result in loss of employment with the CBP.
From the linked NBC story
Eighteen examples of migrants whose forms note their address as Casa del Migrante, a shelter in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, that they have never visited,…
re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?
Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.
I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.
re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
except that you know that supervisors will wink and look the other way
Which in turn can get them fired if a serious investigation and urge for reform gets going. So, to a degree, these people are openly betting on Trump getting re-elected.
re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Was there not a blowup about Nancy not inviting him to give a SOTU at one point?
Yeah earlier this year, when he was being a dick and keeping the government shut down. SOTU was a week late as a result.
re: #48 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.
re: #47 KGxvi
Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.
I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.
It’s a product of the age of mass media for sure. I don’t think we’ve had a SOTU not broadcast for close to a century.
re: #47 KGxvi
Probably. I also remember that being the plot to a whole episode of the West Wing.
I would sort of love for a president to just release a written report and skip all the bullshit that a speech entails. But I doubt that will happen in my life time… barring a freak illness or some such.
I expect that Trump will not give up an opportunity for a captive audience to spew crap about his achievements in front of. And knowing that roughly half of the audience with give him periodic standing ovations.
Is it just me, or have we not had many year/decade in review things this year?
Like, I remember 2009 going into 2010 and 1999 going into 2000 having a lot of that sort of decade in review. And the year in review stuff typically has been standard fare in December. But this year it seems very… reserved.
Or is that just me?
re: #50 Dr Lizardo
And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.
I think someone like Beto O’Rourke who understands border communities and has a strong empathy for immigrants and relationships on both sides of the border might be a good fit for CBP Director.
re: #51 HappyWarrior
It’s a product of the age of mass media for sure. I don’t think we’ve had a SOTU not broadcast for close to a century.
From wikipedia:
George Washington delivered the first regular annual message before a joint session of Congress on January 8, 1790, in New York City, then the provisional U.S. capital. In 1801, Thomas Jefferson discontinued the practice of delivering the address in person, regarding it as too monarchical (similar to the Speech from the Throne). Instead, the address was written and then sent to Congress to be read by a clerk until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson re-established the practice despite some initial controversy, and an in-person address to Congress has been delivered nearly every year since. However, there have been exceptions to this rule, with some messages being given solely in writing, and others given both in writing and orally (either in a speech to Congress or through broadcast media). The last President to give a written message without a spoken address was Jimmy Carter in 1981, days before his term ended after his defeat by Ronald Reagan.
White House is now promoting Noah Feldman’s op-ed saying Trump isn’t yet impeached.
One op-ed they won’t be promoting, though: Jonathan Turley’s, which says Trump has in fact been impeached.https://t.co/FKZdRYWXeH— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) December 20, 2019
re: #50 Dr Lizardo
And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.
Good.
The US Naval Academy and US Military Academy at West Point said Friday that the hand gesture some cadets and midshipmen were seen making on camera was part of a game known as the “circle game” and not a white supremacist symbol.
Source CNN
Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?
The Senate, yesterday: we’re okay with white nationalists joining the military!
West Point, today: a bunch of young white men who should know that the “ok” hand symbol has been adopted by white nationalists didn’t actually display a white nationalist symbol.
Right… https://t.co/kFsgUYxJ9z— Pé Resists (@4everNeverTrump) December 20, 2019
The rot progresses.
re: #58 Teddy’s Person
Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?
My friends and I played it in high school/college in the 90s.
re: #53 KGxvi
Is it just me, or have we not had many year/decade in review things this year?
Like, I remember 2009 going into 2010 and 1999 going into 2000 having a lot of that sort of decade in review. And the year in review stuff typically has been standard fare in December. But this year it seems very… reserved.
Or is that just me?
Not at all. I did get a personalized one on Spotify based on my music but I haven’t seen much when it comes to print media.
Park Slope Woman Explains How A Rooster Named ‘Elizabeth Warrhen’ Wound Up In Her Bathroom https://t.co/QklIC2XACf via @gothamist
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 20, 2019
re: #58 Teddy’s Person
Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?
I vaguely remember it from middle school. That should tell you something. It’s a tween boy punching game.
re: #60 KGxvi
My friends and I played it in high school/college in the 90s.
Thanks for the info. I was in high school/college in the late 70s and early 80s.
re: #64 Scottish Dragon
And there’s no point to the circle game unless you punch the one who looks. Unless it’s not the circle game.
re: #64 Scottish Dragon
I vaguely remember it from middle school. That should tell you something. It’s a tween boy punching game.
Kind of like punch buggy? lol
re: #66 jaunte
And there’s no point to the circle game unless you punch the one who looks. Unless it’s not the circle game.
That’s right. It’s a punching game.
re: #62 HappyWarrior
I’m sort of surprised that Carter gave one in 1981. Usually the year after an election there isn’t technically a “state of the union” address. There’s usually an address to a joint session a couple months after the new president is sworn in, but an outgoing president giving such a speech strikes me as unusual.
re: #68 jaunte
Should the military be staffed with trolls?
Orcs are generally a more reliable fighting force.
/
re: #70 KGxvi
I’m sort of surprised that Carter gave one in 1981. Usually the year after an election there isn’t technically a “state of the union” address. There’s usually an address to a joint session a couple months after the new president is sworn in, but an outgoing president giving such a speech strikes me as unusual.
It strikes me as consistent with Carter as a person.
re: #68 jaunte
Should the military be staffed with trolls?
Well, it depends on the trolling. Soldiers find any and every sort of trouble possibly available.
The circle game was a thing in my junior high for about two months in 1965.
re: #75 jaunte
The circle game was a thing in my junior high for about two months in 1965.
Yeah, I remember it from about 1979 or some such.
re: #76 jaunte
And then we got bored with it.
I still have students trying to do that water bottle flip thing. Thank God they all got rid of the fidget spinners.
I think I remember it in the late 90’s/early 00’s. As SD said, very middle school kid shit. I thought I had heard there are concerns about Trump impacting the chain of command for his tendency to pardon people accused of crimes relating to civilians.
The Orange Moron just retweeted an account called “Jews for Trump”
re: #5 A Cranky One
So the Cats movie has spawned a ton of interesting reviews. My favorite :
There’s so many good “what-the-hell-did-I-just-watch” reviews out there…
“The only performance that resonated with me was Ian McKellan’s take on Gus the Theater Cat. His song about the good old days was a highlight, mainly because it reminded me of the good old days before I entered the theater to watch this horrible film.”
“Like the Ark of the Covenant, you won’t be able to look away as it melts your face off. “
“Cats is the kind of bad movie you’ll tell your kids about, and they probably won’t believe you. “
How wild is CATS? At one point, the colleague I sat next to literally leaned back in their seat and moaned “Stooooop! Stoooooop!”CATS had broken their mind, now and forever.
— Matt Singer (@mattsinger) December 19, 2019
Possible SW spoiler
dear diary today was a lot
— Emo Kylo Ren (@KyloR3n) December 20, 2019
re: #42 KGxvi
I’d have preferred:
“as there is no requirement that said report be given as a speech, we look forward to receiving a written report on the state of the union at your earliest convenience”
He should tweet the SOTU to own the libs..
Went took another look at the video from the Army-Navy game and have concluded that, if they were playing the circle game, they were doing it wrong. My second conclusion is that the US military should be embarrassed to have these young assholes in their ranks.
re: #82 Disloyal Archangel
There’s so many good “what-the-hell-did-I-just-watch” reviews out there…
“The only performance that resonated with me was Ian McKellan’s take on Gus the Theater Cat. His song about the good old days was a highlight, mainly because it reminded me of the good old days before I entered the theater to watch this horrible film.”
“Like the Ark of the Covenant, you won’t be able to look away as it melts your face off. “
” Cats is the kind of bad movie you’ll tell your kids about, and they probably won’t believe you. “
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They actually did show the trailer for it with the Lion King so heh a lot of kids saw it. As I said above, my niece pretty much had the same what the fuck did I watch moment I did.
re: #84 Dread Pirate
He should tweet the SOTU to own the libs..
He should send a six page screed that he penned in a plywood shack nut hut 200 miles outside Coeur d’Alene.
General Charles Lee. Backstabber, gossiper, haughty and snide and almost lost the Battle of Monmouth until GWashington showed up and demanded to know why the hell is everybody retreating. Insisted on his own court martial which he ended up being convicted at.
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) December 20, 2019
1. I see a lot of people castigating those who were concerned about this. I disagree. Let me explain why - but first note that I did serve in the (peacetime) military. https://t.co/4tWBbjfLDJ
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) December 20, 2019
8. There is a reason, btw, why West Point cadets are expected to read the newspaper daily and be prepared to be questioned on it. Precisely because of what I’ve been talking about here.
— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) December 20, 2019
re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
The Tweet of the Nation, I like it
Live from the 9th floor hole bathroom at Mar Al Lago & brought to you by KFC and McDonalds, it’s the Tweet of the Nation.
If white nationalists want to serve in uniform they’re welcome to time travel to 1930s Germany and contribute to that losing side. Not in my Army, they can’t sit with us.
— Victoria Kositz (@evo_kositz) December 20, 2019
OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows
“I think he sees it for what it is, which is really just raw partisan politics,” @IvankaTrump says of @realdonaldtrump ‘s mood on #impeachment as the probe moves to the Senate. WATCH —> https://t.co/02vyCF0wnC pic.twitter.com/QsZcoQ7yH1
— Face The Nation (@FaceTheNation) December 20, 2019
re: #94 Teddy’s Person
OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows
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This ought to be interesting.
re: #94 Teddy’s Person
OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows
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This is so fucking rich. They’ve accused the Bidens of the worst nepotism and they send out the face of his blatant nepotism.
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
This ought to be interesting.
Someone’s gonna bring up her and Jared. And then her dad will cry on Twitter about how the media is so unfair to beautiful Ivanka who has done so much.// They’re in crisis mode.
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
This ought to be interesting.
I watched that clip with the sound off, and when Ivanka talks, she looks like she has no idea what the words she’s saying mean. She’s memorized words and is trying so hard to say them correctly rather than making a point.
re: #83 Scottish Dragon
oh so now it is *cool* to wear a helmet and be a baby for decades
— Emo Kylo Ren (@KyloR3n) November 20, 2019
re: #97 HappyWarrior
Someone’s gonna bring up her and Jared. And then her dad will cry on Twitter about how the media is so unfair to beautiful Ivanka who has done so much.// They’re in crisis mode.
LEAVE THE KIDS OUT OF IT YOU CRUEL AND HEARTLESS LIBTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!
re: #96 HappyWarrior
This is so fucking rich. They’ve accused the Bidens of the worst nepotism and they send out the face of his blatant nepotism.
Won’t matter, she’ll get softball question after softball question and never face any sort of meaningful follow-up question. The media is thoroughly cowed.
re: #94 Teddy’s Person
OMG they’re trotting out Ivanka for the Sunday shows
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Watched that clip. During that one minute I came up with at least 6 follow-up questions that were never asked. Just more shitty news coverage.
re: #102 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Won’t matter, she’ll get softball question after softball question and never face any sort of meaningful follow-up question. The media is thoroughly cowed.
In the clip Face the Nation tweeted out, she’s asked how she feels personally about Trump’s impeachment. How is this impacting the Trump family? Her response is a vapid as you would imagine.
re: #85 Teddy’s Person
Maybe the circle game was different in TX — you only got punched if someone made the circle below their waist and you looked. Yes, it’s a stupid game, but that was the ONLY rule there was to it. Had to be below the waist.
That’s why I never thought they were doing anything other than trying to flash white power symbols on TV because they had the chance to.
re: #85 Teddy’s Person
And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:
Where are the photos of people trying to do this in photos before the era when this became a racist symbol ? When was this something people tried to slip into photos? If it was aren’t there photos from decades past of this? https://t.co/MJyCesV41Q
— Judd Apatow (@JuddApatow) December 20, 2019
Florida, man
WATCH: A speeding truck slammed into the Sarasota-Bradenton International Airport terminal early this morning: https://t.co/jCiWvYu0aZ pic.twitter.com/sxYr3g3jJq
— WESH 2 News (@WESH) December 19, 2019
re: #106 Teddy’s Person
I’ve seen some excerpts from the CBS-supplied transcript where they spend some time trying to rehabilitate Rudy.
Rudy is one of those other people in Trump’s inner circle that I don’t understand what exactly he does. Yes I know the official title but I don’t recall Obama or Bush’s personal attorneys doing shady shit like Rudy. Presidential counsels, sure. Rudy had no business interfering with the embassy’s work in Kyiv. Can you imagine how frustrated that station must be?
re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Florida, man
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What I find somewhat worrying is that the truck got all the way into the edge of a baggage claim area. Timed a bit differently that area could be full of passengers, and what if it was more than just a truck?
re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl
And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:
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That is a good point. Kids these days aren’t posting an infinite number of videos to YouTube playing this game.
re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
That is not how FastPass or Global Entry works.
re: #110 HappyWarrior
Rudy is one of those other people in Trump’s inner circle that I don’t understand what exactly he does. Yes I know the official title but I don’t recall Obama or Bush’s personal attorneys doing shady shit like Rudy. Presidential counsels, sure. Rudy had no business interfering with the embassy’s work in Kyiv. Can you imagine how frustrated that station must be?
Rudy’s the court jester.
re: #114 Teddy’s Person
Rudy’s the court jester.
I thought that was Don Jr. Or is he the dim witted heir who thinks everyone thinks he’s a bad ass and everyone including his dad laugh about behind his back.
Rudy strikes me as a bumbling Luca Brasi type if I want to play Corleone.
Good:
The officer who fired through a window killing Atatiana Jefferson in her own home has been indicted. https://t.co/eltggmI8Mn
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) December 20, 2019
re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl
And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:
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They don’t get it. That cadet is now going door to door and punching all the people that saw it on TV. It might take a bit for him to get through everyone.
Woman calls in to berate the two pundits on the show.
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re: #115 HappyWarrior
I thought that was Don Jr. Or is he the dim witted heir who thinks everyone thinks he’s a bad ass and everyone including his dad laugh about behind his back.
This quote applies to all the Trump spawn.
An unnamed Indian diplomat told Bobby Ghosh, the editor-in-chief of the Hindustan Times: “We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It’s in our national interest to flatter them.”
re: #109 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
The idiot was speeding on the freeway and trying to pass, went through the freeway edge fence and just kept right on going without breaking. Almost certainly was drinking.
I think someone wants grandbabies.
President Obama gracefully walked up and asked to hold my niece Riley. He was golfing in Hawaii. My niece is the GOAT period. #Hawaii #obama #President #MichelleObama pic.twitter.com/u6gmhGqzx4
— Andrea Jones (@itsanicholle) December 19, 2019
JUST IN: US Steel closing mill, laying off 1,500 Detroit workers https://t.co/7X5ZmwWBZ0 pic.twitter.com/fZWFYRNK4E
— The Hill (@thehill) December 20, 2019
They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”
re: #112 Teddy’s Person
That is a good point. Kids these days aren’t posting an infinite number of videos to YouTube playing this game.
The whole point of the White Power hand gesture is that it is easily brushed off when it is caught out. It makes them think they are being really cunning and getting one over on the Litbards
Okay, this is wild. Those fake FB accounts that were shut down? The Saudis behind the fakes were generating admin photos with AI. Thread.
What’s interesting in the US groups, which were all variants on a theme of pro-Trump messaging and TheBL content, was the faces of the admins.
They were AI-generated. How can you tell? Well, human faces tend to asymmetry. Glasses, not so much. pic.twitter.com/lVIyiNaZG2— Ben Nimmo (@benimmo) December 20, 2019
re: #126 makeitstop
Okay, this is wild. Those fake FB accounts that were shut down? The Saudis behind the fakes were generating admin photos with AI. Thread.
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That’s pretty scary. A whole new evolution in the bot wars.
re: #124 DodgerFan1988
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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”
Aren’t there thousands of steel plants opening all over the US per tRump?
re: #122 Teddy’s Person
Obama, notoriously good with babies :D
re: #129 Nyet
Obama, notoriously good with babies :D
Having read Becoming, it’s not a surprise. He was and still is an engaged father from the start.
re: #124 DodgerFan1988
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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”
Dying of whiteness.
re: #122 Teddy’s Person
What are:
Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.
re: #132 lawhawk
What are:
Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.
Yet he’s both…
And this, my friends, is why I’ll never shut up. pic.twitter.com/VkQVO1M2bR
— Prof Stavrakopoulou (@ProfFrancesca) December 20, 2019
re: #124 DodgerFan1988
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They will still vote for Trump because of “illegals.”
Nah, they’ll vote for him because of assurances that he’s “winning” the trade war and that this is just a temporary closing because a second Trump term will mean greater demand for American steel.
re: #134 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Can you explain?
re: #132 lawhawk
What are:
Things we’ll never ever see Trump do anywhere at any time. He never interacts with children in any normal way, and he’s similarly avoiding interactions with animals.
The way he talks about Barron is weird. Remember “Barron knows cyber. Barron is a genius on the computer.” I’m not saying Barron is dumb but Trump has a weird way of talking about his son.
Don’t Try This At Home pic.twitter.com/pHXijHgf0O
— jeffreyw (@imjeffreyw) December 20, 2019
re: #113 lawhawk
That is not how FastPass or Global Entry works.
He was in a rush to turn in his keys at the rental counter
re: #137 HappyWarrior
Trump has no normal personal interactions with anyone. Not his family. Not his children.
Not anyone else’s children.
He’s so absorbed in his own fragile ego, he can’t think beyond himself.
It’s the two-year anniversary of Trump’s only major legislative accomplishment: his tax law. Did it deliver on all the economic promises he made?
Over at CNN, I take a look at the numbers. The short answer is that the Trump tax scam is an economic flop.https://t.co/fNf7OOXk7S— Michael Linden (@MichaelSLinden) December 20, 2019
re: #136 Nyet
Can you explain?
Not sure about what you’re inquiring.
If you mean Prof Stavrakopoulou, she’s an OT and ancient NE scholar who also writes quite a bit about women’s empowerment.
re: #122 Teddy’s Person
I think someone wants grandbabies.
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re: #137 HappyWarrior
The way he talks about Barron is weird. Remember “Barron knows cyber. Barron is a genius on the computer.” I’m not saying Barron is dumb but Trump has a weird way of talking about his son.
Meaning compared to His father Bannon probably knows how to turn the PC on, find the Chrome icon, and fire up Fortnite. None of which Trump knows how to do.
Listening to Mitch McConnell talk about the decline of bipartisanship is like listening to Jeffrey Dahmer complain about the decline of dinner party etiquette.
— Al Franken (@alfranken) December 19, 2019
re: #142 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Oh, the image got cut through embedding, so I didn’t read the ending. Blergh.
re: #145 Florida Panhandler
Meaning compared to His father Bannon probably knows how to turn the PC on, find the Chrome icon, and fire up Fortnite. None of which Trump knows how to do.
Right. I mean I’m sure Barron understands computers decently enough since kids his generation are exposed to them so young and they are vital to K-12 education but he doesn’t know hacking or how cyber security works. And Trump definitely didn’t when he put Mayor Buttdial in charge of his cyber security task force.
Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.
JC just stop. For the love of God, shut up and stop. You have no freaking idea what the hell you are talking about and this statement is veering off into *Cats* movie review dreadfulness.
— Deirdre🇺🇸🏴 (@celtichumanscum) December 20, 2019
Probably why Trumpers feel the US is the center of the universe:
— Terrible Maps (@TerribleMaps) December 20, 2019
re: #149 Scottish Dragon
Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.
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— The 3-D Zanti Regent (@josephebacon) December 20, 2019
re: #149 Scottish Dragon
I used to really like Sullivan. He was one of my regular reads in the earliest days of the blogosphere. He was also probably one of the reasons I started blogging while in law school (besides needing something to do with my free time that wasn’t gambling).
This last decade has left me wondering what the actual fuck when it comes to him (ok, honestly, the last decade has left me wondering that when it comes to a lot of things)
re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Probably why Trumpers feel the US is the center of the universe:
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One side is Asia, the other side is the orient.
“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”
Crazy backyard science experiment pic.twitter.com/Gxjn9OxSLI
— Domenico Calia (@CaliaDomenico) December 20, 2019
re: #152 KGxvi
I used to really like Sullivan. He was one of my regular reads in the earliest days of the blogosphere. He was also probably one of the reasons I started blogging while in law school (besides needing something to do with my free time that wasn’t gambling).
This last decade has left me wondering what the actual fuck when it comes to him (ok, honestly, the last decade has left me wondering that when it comes to a lot of things)
He has always been a racist with an extreme devotion to promoting white superiority via The Bell Curve.
re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”
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re: #153 b.d. (Lock Him Up!)
One side is Asia, the other side is the orient.
one side is Eurasia, one is Eastasia. The rest is Oceania…
re: #150 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.
re: #141 Dread Pirate
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re: #154 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
“What do you mean the formula was in Liters, not Gallons?”
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re: #149 Scottish Dragon
Andrew Sullivan has beshat himself.
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You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.
I’m guessing the emperor doesn’t win… pic.twitter.com/3DSMZGmdEB
— Kevin Baron 🎄 (@DefenseBaron) December 20, 2019
Would “Cats” have been less uncanny valley creepy if it was a Pixar-type animation?
re: #164 The Pie Overlord!
Would “Cats” have been less uncanny valley creepy if it was a Pixar-type animation?
I recall reading that years and years ago, there was an idea to make an animated film out of “Cats” but then it got stuck in development hell and eventually, the idea was dropped.
re: #161 HappyWarrior
You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.
Well, you can: if you deliberately distort history to minimize it. IOW, like the most of American History has been taught since, like, forever.
It seems to fairly common on the Right: I saw this yesterday while reading Rod Dreher’s transphobic gibberish: he spared a stock gripe about the New York Times’ “1619 Project”, bitching that it posited “America as a slaveocracy” - a concept he seemed to be quite offended by…..
re: #163 plansbandc
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re: #158 Dr Lizardo
Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.
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re: #161 HappyWarrior
You can’t teach American slavery without acknowledging white supremacy’s omnipresence.
If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.
re: #169 Teddy’s Person
If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.
Or probably any history book used in Texas. I’m sure they would never mention that one reason the Texan Rebellion started was that Mexico was outlawing slavery.
re: #167 HappyWarrior
I don’t disagree with them on everything but libertarians have some of the worst hot takes to societal problems. They’re very dogmatic like tankies.
a whole lot of the libertarian movement is extrapolating “keep my taxes low and leave me the fuck alone” to things where that doesn’t really work. nor does it help that a lot of people within the movement think they’re smarter than average.
re: #164 The Pie Overlord!
Yes - if they did voiceovers, instead of “live action” it would eliminate much of the visual mess that it makes, but the story remains awful/nonexistent as it was in the Broadway show.
re: #166 Jay C
Well, you can: if you deliberately distort history to minimize it. IOW, like the most of American History has been taught since, like, forever.
It seems to fairly common on the Right: I saw this yesterday while reading Rod Dreher’s transphobic gibberish: he spared a stock gripe about the New York Times’ “1619 Project”, bitching that it posited “America as a slaveocracy” - a concept he seemed to be quite offended by…..
I’m a Virginian as you know. Slavery built this state first as a colony and then a state. You just can’t escape it. People like Dreher hurt society by acting like we should just ignore things. There’s a reason why the unfortunate African Americans caught by the CSA during the war were treated so cruelly. There’s a reason why Jefferson’s white heirs fought so hard to deny Sally Hemings mothered his kids.
re: #169 Teddy’s Person
If you want to see how it’s done, check out a history book published for the evangelical home schooling set.
Agh. I don’t want to know.
re: #58 Teddy’s Person
Until this incident, I had never heard of the circle game. Does anyone know when this became a thing?
One minute after the picture went public
re: #173 HappyWarrior
I’m a Virginian as you know. Slavery built this state first as a colony and then a state. You just can’t escape it. People like Dreher hurt society by acting like we should just ignore things. There’s a reason why the unfortunate African Americans caught by the CSA during the war were treated so cruelly. There’s a reason why Jefferson’s white heirs fought so hard to deny Sally Hemings fathered his kids.
Ah… doesn’t that last sentence need slight rewording.
Maybe he was referring to some other publication he reads regularly, like Entertainment Today or the Extortion Times.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
re: #171 KGxvi
a whole lot of the libertarian movement is extrapolating “keep my taxes low and leave me the fuck alone” to things where that doesn’t really work. nor does it help that a lot of people within the movement think they’re smarter than average.
That’s the best take on the movement I’ve seen. It’s an easy enough basic philosophy to get. But the smugness especially on the economic matters because a lot of em fancy themselves enlightened because they can cite Hayek in discussion when they’re really no more smarter than the average person in economic matters. They’re really in a way like doctrinaire Marxists. Legalize and privatize everything. They get why police brutality is a problem but they thumb their noses at those who think privatized prisons are shady af. Always mistrusting of any government but willing to let business misdeeds go unpunished.
re: #108 Flying Squirrel Girl
And here’s a good point regarding the West Point controversy:
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look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.
imagine spending $$$ to convince *Fox viewers* that impeaching Trump is wrong https://t.co/jIdlrXF9QK
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) December 20, 2019
re: #176 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Ah… doesn’t that last sentence need slight rewording.
I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc. I’m an idiot. Sorry. Sleep pattern is way off.
re: #181 Dread Pirate
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re: #182 HappyWarrior
I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc.
Sally didn’t “father” his children.
Hah sorry. It’s really been stressful here as you all know.
re: #186 HappyWarrior
Hah sorry. It’s really been stressful here as you all know.
No worries. Take care of yourself!
re: #174 HappyWarrior
Agh. I don’t want to know.
We analyzed one in a class for grad school. If I recall correctly, the textbook didn’t even mention slavery. I’ll have to poke around in my files to see if I kept anything from that class.
re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
The whole point of the White Power hand gesture is that it is easily brushed off when it is caught out. It makes them think they are being really cunning and getting one over on the Litbards
They are cowards
Afraid to stand up unequivocally for what they “believe”
re: #188 Teddy’s Person
We analyzed one in a class for grad school. If I recall correctly, the textbook didn’t even mention slavery. I’ll have to poke around in my files to see if I kept anything from that class.
We thankfully learned Virginia history in school so when I heard 1619 project, I immediately got the reference to Jamestown. What’s unfortunate though is we never learned about the role of The Byrd Organization here in preserving Jim Crow. Senator Kaine’s father in law and a Republican at that was one of the first Virginia governors to support integration. He’s now a Democrat.
re: #170 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Or probably any history book used in Texas. I’m sure they would never mention that one reason the Texan Rebellion started was that Mexico was outlawing slavery.
And the Civil War was all about tariffs and states’ rights…
re: #182 HappyWarrior
I thought the white Randolph descendants fought the Hemings descendants for acknowledgement. Jefferson left the Hemings children out of his will iirc.
This is a great book that lays out all the ways Jefferson’s white family tried to dodge the rumors of the Hemmings kids’ paternity.
Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings: An American Controversy by Annette Gordon-Reed
re: #180 steve_davis
Thanks to the Trump administration emboldening this kind of behavior I’ve learned that a LOT of institutions are actually infested with white supremacists, so I don’t doubt that West Point could be as well. As was pointed out, the circle game involves punching the person who looked at the circle. So who were these cadets going to punch since they were doing it on TV? Or is the circle game excuse just plausible deniability? “You guys get upset at everything LOL, I was just making the OK sign/playing the circle game/etc.”
re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
And the Civil War was all about tariffs and states’ rights…
Even ours sort of forgot to mention that secession began before Lincoln even took office. Virginia seceded after Lincoln was President and blamed his actions for that but wtf was he supposed to do after Fort Sumter was fired on? And as much as they try to portray Lee as noble for staying with his state, Virginia had plenty of unionists including some fine generals and even Stonewall Jackson’s sister.
jfc
Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2019
re: #195 The Pie Overlord!
jfc
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re: #194 HappyWarrior
Even ours sort of forgot to mention that secession began before Lincoln even took office. Virginia seceded after Lincoln was President and blamed his actions for that but wtf was he supposed to do after Fort Sumter was fired on? And as much as they try to portray Lee as noble for staying with his state, Virginia had plenty of unionists including some fine generals and even Stonewall Jackson’s sister.
Whenever the revisionists get going on all about they culchah an’ heyritage, I pull out this quote from Virginia-born Union General George “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:
Efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism.
re: #195 The Pie Overlord!
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for the good of the nation
Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2019
re: #195 The Pie Overlord!
jfc
This is revealing. Implies to me he doesn’t know that Congress members can’t be impeached. They can be expelled or censured sure. Really. I have never seen such a fundamentally flawed understanding of civics from a President. Not to mention, I’M NOT IMPEACHED, YOU’RE IMPEACHED.
re: #198 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?
I really believe he is that fucking dumb and not just bandying about a talking point.
You know something is happening
But you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mr. President* https://t.co/HxP0CxJ2OS— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
re: #199 HappyWarrior
This is revealing. Implies to me he doesn’t know that Congress members can’t be impeached. They can be expelled or censured sure. Really. I have never seen such a fundamentally flawed understanding of civics from a President. Not to mention, I’M NOT IMPEACHED, YOU’RE IMPEACHED.
Most of the rs have been spouting such constitutional nonsense I wonder about them too.
Though I’m pretty sure most of them know they are wildly spinning (ok lying)
Trump never read it and if he did, he certainly didn’t study it. He’s no con scholar
re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I really believe he is that fucking dumb and not just bandying about a talking point.
It’s embarrassing how ingnorat our prez is about so many things not even job related
re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Whenever the revisionists get going on all about they culchah an’ heyritage, I pull out this quote from Virginia-born Union General George “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:
Efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism.
Poor guy got the stink eye from his family but he was a patriot. Lee was not. Lee didn’t take his oath to the commonwealth of Virginia. I love Virginia too but Virginia was wrong in seceding and he knew that. He chose his state and his personal interests (slavery) over his nation’s and morality. Southern propaganda really is why Lee is not properly understood today. It doesn’t change that he definitely had some skill as a general but he benefited too from poor generalmanship from his counterparts. Until the Richmond campaign, I’d argue the best counterpart he faced in the Eastern Theater was Meade. McCllelan was way too cautious and Hooker, McDowell, and Burnside were not commanders of entire armies which is why Chancellorsville, Bull Run, and Fredericksburg were disasters. That also helped the Jackson legend too. IMO the CSA general that doesn’t get the respect he deserves is Longstreet. They still taught his defensive techniques at West Point well into the 40’s but Longstreet was hated by the Southern friendly writers because he became a Republican, Catholic, criticized Lee in his memoirs, and took a job in the Grant administration.
2. @TheJusticeDept attorneys say 2,062 emails and attachments didn’t turn up in their initial searches because of a “technical error,” adding many of these documents are duplicates of docs already disclosed for lawsuits over the now-blocked citizenship question. pic.twitter.com/vhxwJpXUli
— Hansi Lo Wang • 8️⃣3️⃣ DAYS (@hansilowang) December 20, 2019
the first two of a long thread
re: #201 Charles Johnson
I apologize for thinking George W. Bush was as dumb as a President could be. This guy is dumb.
re: #195 The Pie Overlord!
jfc
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Just your most recent reminder that Fuckface can be manipulated with an ease heretofore unknown from a President. I wonder if he’s actually ever negotiated an objectively good deal at anything. He’s probably fallen ass backwards into a couple. Maybe.
re: #193 Flying Squirrel Girl
Thanks to the Trump administration emboldening this kind of behavior I’ve learned that a LOT of institutions are actually infested with white supremacists, so I don’t doubt that West Point could be as well. As was pointed out, the circle game involves punching the person who looked at the circle. So who were these cadets going to punch since they were doing it on TV? Or is the circle game excuse just plausible deniability? “You guys get upset at everything LOL, I was just making the OK sign/playing the circle game/etc.”
In this book on p. 55 there’s a punchless version:
re: #197 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.
It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).
Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.
re: #203 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
It’s embarrassing how ingnorat our prez is about so many things not even job related
We know he didn’t pay attention in his briefings. It’s an easy bet that he didn’t in any classes relating to government either. He’s simply not informed about what his job does. I really think so much of his political existence is the ultimate publicity stunt and him being annoyed that Obama mocked him and that the people nearby him in his NYC days rightfully saw him as a pompous joke.
re: #209 lawhawk
Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.
It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).
Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.
And you know what, as much as I see Republicans like to pant themselves on the back for not being the party of slavery and secession, the post war Republican presidents outside of Grant really dropped the ball in protecting the African-Americans that stayed in the South and that was the vast majority of the population until the Great Migration began. The Republican Party after Reconstruction had presidents uninterested in doing much on the inhumane way African-Americans were treated in the South.
An Iowa woman is charged with attempted murder after telling authorities that she drove over a teenage girl because she was Hispanic, police say https://t.co/6jGhpPgobT
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 20, 2019
Another “hero” of the Republican Party.
re: #212 DodgerFan1988
Stochastic terrorist Trump has another victim.
I think about it. I think the North really just wanted to move on. And I get why that happens after a long, bloody war but whereas you had friendly reunions at Gettysburg well into the early 20th century between white CSA and Union vets, the surviving black Union vets had to worry about offending the local Southern governments, the Klan, or really any white person with power in the South. That’s what makes the takes defending Emmett Till’s lynching so absurd. He was a child. Even if that whistling story was true which we now know it is not, the fact that it was used to murder a child. And you know what, we still see relics of that today when people try to justfiy the Treyvon Martin murder because of Treyvon either having smoked pot or gotten in trouble at school, all things that happen with children of all racial backgrounds at that age but go out of their way to talk about the white kid credibly accused of rape of “Being a good kid aside from that” as if rape isn’t a horrible crime not deserving of punishment by the law.
What we’ve really discovered in the past 48 hours is that, despite the constant refrain for much of the past three years, Trump never wanted to be impeached and doing so was not “playing into his hands.” What he wanted was to be “acquitted,” particularly for the Russia investigation, because then he could run in 2020 on the lie that he was the “victim” of a partisan conspiracy that had failed to remove him in a “coup.” And it’s driving him nuts that the woman he once believed would never impeach him is now standing in the way of that “acquittal.”
I don’t imagine that life is very good for Sen. Yertle right now, with Donny screaming in one ear and his wife screaming in the other about scrutiny finally falling upon her obvious influence peddling.
re: #179 HappyWarrior
That’s the best take on the movement I’ve seen. It’s an easy enough basic philosophy to get. But the smugness especially on the economic matters because a lot of em fancy themselves enlightened because they can cite Hayek in discussion when they’re really no more smarter than the average person in economic matters. They’re really in a way like doctrinaire Marxists. Legalize and privatize everything. They get why police brutality is a problem but they thumb their noses at those who think privatized prisons are shady af. Always mistrusting of any government but willing to let business misdeeds go unpunished.
It’s not just legalize and privatize, it’s legalize, privatize, and don’t regulate. Which misses the whole idea of ordered liberty that Hamilton talked about. They see government as “tyranny vs liberty” and don’t recognize that the opposite of tyranny isn’t liberty but license (or anarchy, whichever term you’d prefer). One of these days, I’m going to write a political philosophy book called ‘the balance of liberty”.
re: #212 DodgerFan1988
Another “hero” of the Republican Party.
I won’t lie. I really worry for my niece sometimes in Trump’s America. Nothing’s ever happened but I don’t want her to be ashamed to share she speaks Spanish and is a Hispanic-American. And that’s what Trump has inspired. This whole idea that Hispanics are criminals.
re: #209 lawhawk
Another reason why I’ll post in Twitter about the Confederacy and their revisionist progeny that they launched an insurrection and secession from the Union to protect their right to own slaves and the institution of slavery.
It should be referred to as the War of Southern Insurrection or War (as far too many in the South consider it the War of Northern Aggression - which itself is a lie as the first shots were fired by the South against the Union at Fort Sumter).
Statues and monuments should be taken down. We don’t give awards for second place losers of a war whose antagonists started to protect the right to own slaves. We don’t fly their flag as a badge of honor. It’s one of shameful history and one that needs to be treated accordingly.
I like the phrase “the War of Southern Treason”, personally.
re: #141 Dread Pirate
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It gave the wealthy a lot more money for their offshore accounts (5% of which will be recycled into donations for Republican senators.) It gave publicly traded companies a bunch of money they used for stock buy-backs, raising their share price (which is often the criteria by which senior management bonuses are calculated), and again 5% will be recycled back into donations to Republican senators.
I’d say it’s working exactly as intended.
Extra icing is how much it costs Californians and New Yorkers/New Jerseyites by fucking with their SALT deductions.
re: #216 KGxvi
It’s not just legalize and privatize, it’s legalize, privatize, and don’t regulate. Which misses the whole idea of ordered liberty that Hamilton talked about. They see government as “tyranny vs liberty” and don’t recognize that the opposite of tyranny isn’t liberty but license (or anarchy, whichever term you’d prefer). One of these days, I’m going to write a political philosophy book called ‘the balance of liberty”.
Yeah the lack of regulations is another. As I said, they just have some really bad hot takes. As I’ve mentioned, I know some libertarians and I don’t always disagree but there’s no understanding on to why maybe schools don’t want kids vaping. If someone’s over 18, I’m fine with them doing whatever they want in regards to that the same way I am pot, booze, and cigs. Plus their attitude on immigration bothers me. They may not be nativist but they seem okay with a permanent underclass that isn’t paid well because paying them well that would hurt business.
re: #208 Nyet
In the age of Trump, I’m not inclined to give them benefit of the doubt. Were they really playing a game on live TV, or jumping at the chance to flash a WP symbol on live TV? In my opinion, it is the latter.
re: #222 Flying Squirrel Girl
In the age of Trump, I’m not inclined to give them benefit of the doubt. Were they really playing a game on live TV, or jumping at the chance to flash a WP symbol on live TV? In my opinion, it is the latter.
The fact that we don’t know one way or the other is part of the problem. Honestly, I don’t know what the symbol’s original intention was but this childish trolling bullshit is just ridiculous. It’s not funny or edgy like they think it is. It just makes them look like dickbags.
re: #206 HappyWarrior
I apologize for thinking George W. Bush was as dumb as a President could be. This guy is dumb.
Then he was
Now he isnt
re: #224 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
Then he was
Now he isnt
Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.
ALMOST.
re: #223 HappyWarrior
One possibility: ignorant of the news about white supremacists, which would be a major flaw for a potential future officer.
Second possibility: perfectly aware and engaged in a white supremacist troll, which should be disqualifying for future leadership roles.
American Justice. Land of the white and home of the rich.
re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg
Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.
ALMOST.
I mean Bush belongs in the bottom tier of Presidents for good reason but can you imagine him praising Kim Jong Un for having beautiful letters like that? I mean as I said, give the man the scorn he gets but Trump really stands alone in how clueless he is.
re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg
Hell, Trump almost makes Bush look like an accomplished statesman.
ALMOST.
Then you remember he said shit like this
“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.”
― George W. Bush
re: #210 HappyWarrior
We know he didn’t pay attention in his briefings. It’s an easy bet that he didn’t in any classes relating to government either. He’s simply not informed about what his job does. I really think so much of his political existence is the ultimate publicity stunt and him being annoyed that Obama mocked him and that the people nearby him in his NYC days rightfully saw him as a pompous joke.
History will definitely see him as hand waving and misdirection vs scholarship and deep analysis
re: #172 lawhawk
Yes - if they did voiceovers, instead of “live action” it would eliminate much of the visual mess that it makes, but the story remains awful/nonexistent as it was in the Broadway show.
I wouldn’t care how bad the story is, if they’d had costumes I liked.
Good costumes and good songs would be enough to make it an everlasting repeat kind of film for me. No story needed.
re: #229 Teddy’s Person
Then you remember he said shit like this
“Too many OB/GYN’s aren’t able to practice their love with women all across the country.”
― George W. Bush
I really think he talked before he thought a lot. I’m not saying W is smart but I think some of it was more like Biden than we may think. I do think one thing is for sure. W had no business being President and he wouldn’t have been President if his father who certainly was a smart guy (honestly the most intelligent Republican standard bearer since Nixon) but I don’t see him as absurdly stupid the way Trump is.
re: #220 HappyWarrior
Yeah the lack of regulations is another. As I said, they just have some really bad hot takes. As I’ve mentioned, I know some libertarians and I don’t always disagree but there’s no understanding on to why maybe schools don’t want kids vaping. If someone’s over 18, I’m fine with them doing whatever they want in regards to that the same way I am pot, booze, and cigs. Plus their attitude on immigration bothers me. They may not be nativist but they seem okay with a permanent underclass that isn’t paid well because paying them well that would hurt business.
In the aughts, when I was much more tapped into the discussions among libertarians there were two hot spots where the No True Scotsman would appear:
1. abortion. it used to be that if you were pro-life you couldn’t be considered a libertarian because you were telling other people what they could or couldn’t do with their bodies.
2. immigration. there was a lot more talk about the free movement of people and not having restrictions on the right to work
It got really weird in the late Bush years because so many people didn’t want to be part of the “conservative” movement they tried to take over the libertarian one.
Around that time I went to bed one night as a center-right libertarian and woke up a center-left libertarian.
re: #180 steve_davis
look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.
1. So your contention is that the screening process is sufficient to remove racists, but porous enough to allow individuals who would engage in juvenile punching games on national television through.
2. Many elite universities also require straight As, heavy/exemplary extra curricular activities and solid recommendations. Am I to assume that means any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism?
3. Something around half of our US Senators are racist crackers. Their endorsement means little.
re: #230 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
History will definitely see him as hand waving and misdirection vs scholarship and deep analysis
Do you remember when we used to hear that Obama and even Bush were reading particular books? There’s not a scholastic bone in Trump’s body. No curiousness to the the world beyond how he benefits.
re: #228 HappyWarrior
I mean Bush belongs in the bottom tier of Presidents for good reason but can you imagine him praising Kim Jong Un for having beautiful letters like that? I mean as I said, give the man the scorn he gets but Trump really stands alone in how clueless he is.
Bush had some reasonably smart people around him and guiding him
(I did say some)
re: #180 steve_davis
look, i understand there’s undoubtedly some endemic racism built into the military hierarchy, but West Point kids are the absolutely best fucking kids in the country. It is a complete meritocracy. You want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy? Make straight A’s in school. Do a shit ton of extracurricular stuff, to the point where your freaking senator is willing to write a letter of recommendation on your behalf. I am just remarkably skeptical that after having survived background checks, personal entrance interviews, and the esprits d’corps of the best officer training school in the world, the place is actually infested with a bunch of white supremacist crackers.
Counterpoint: Mike Pompeo is a West Point grad.
And the senator’s or congressman’s recommendation — what sort of people would a Steve King or Louie Gohmert or Mitch McConnell be likely to recommend?
I’m no W fan, but the one thing I always did respect him for is that he treated Hispanics very fairly.
re: #232 HappyWarrior
I really think he talked before he thought a lot. I’m not saying W is smart but I think some of it was more like Biden than we may think. I do think one thing is for sure. W had no business being President and he wouldn’t have been President if his father who certainly was a smart guy (honestly the most intelligent Republican standard bearer since Nixon) but I don’t see him as absurdly stupid the way Trump is.
To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing there is worth knowing.
re: #239 Teddy’s Person
To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing
there is worth knowing.
Ummmm
re: #233 KGxvi
In the aughts, when I was much more tapped into the discussions among libertarians there were two hot spots where the No True Scotsman would appear:
1. abortion. it used to be that if you were pro-life you couldn’t be considered a libertarian because you were telling other people what they could or couldn’t do with their bodies.
2. immigration. there was a lot more talk about the free movement of people and not having restrictions on the right to work
It got really weird in the late Bush years because so many people didn’t want to be part of the “conservative” movement they tried to take over the libertarian one.
Around that time I went to bed one night as a center-right libertarian and woke up a center-left libertarian.
I had a lot of exposure to them since GMU’s economics program is famous for them and I worked with a couple economics majors on the newspaper together. Nice enough people but really just so absolutist on economics. Most of the left wingers I knew in college were more pragmatic. There were a few die hard leftists but most of the libertarians I met were dyed in the wool about things like ACA being awful awful legislation. Plus from what I learned from one of the few left of center people in the economics majors, they weren’t really given too much head room for free thought on academic papers. I never had that problem in the history department. That’s why I get amused at brobertarians who act like they’re the guardians of free speech. I’ve seen how libertarian institutions deal with dissenting thoughts. They’re not authortarian but dismissive and have I think unfortunately a bit of an oligarchical world view. Where wealth determines a person’s selfworth.
re: #239 Teddy’s Person
To me, the biggest difference between W and Trump is W knew he wasn’t the brightest bulb in the box and embraced the idea of Rove being “Bush’s Brain.” Trump is an intellectually incurious narcissist who thinks he knows every thing there is worth knowing.
That is a key difference. Hell I think what bugged me was he was too aware of it sometimes. I remember one time he told the C students of the world they too could be President and it annoyed me given his pedigree. I don’t remember W ever being outright malicious to his opponents but he just had a cluelnessness that often annoyed me. Iraq on the heels of Afghanistan is another example. And he definitely had no problem smearing the critics of the Iraq War through his allies including a lot of the now Trump right wingers who insist they’re against “intervention” which of course bothered me too.
re: #241 HappyWarrior
I had a lot of exposure to them since GMU’s economics program is famous for them and I worked with a couple economics majors on the newspaper together. Nice enough people but really just so absolutist on economics. Most of the left wingers I knew in college were more pragmatic. There were a few die hard leftists but most of the libertarians I met were dyed in the wool about things like ACA being awful awful legislation. Plus from what I learned from one of the few left of center people in the economics majors, they weren’t really given too much head room for free thought on academic papers. I never had that problem in the history department. That’s why I get amused at brobertarians who act like they’re the guardians of free speech. I’ve seen how libertarian institutions deal with dissenting thoughts. They’re not authortarian but dismissive and have I think unfortunately a bit of an oligarchical world view. Where wealth determines a person’s selfworth.
As I posted before, when I was an undergrad at Pitt in the 70s, the Economics department was split between Milton Friedman’s Monetarists and Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarians.
re: #50 Dr Lizardo
And if Trump’s not re-elected, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw resignations en masse from not only CBP but ICE as well.
Put an exit sign over the entrance to a large cage. Once they are all in, they will each have a chance to prove they committed no crimes against humanity.
Eventually.
re: #242 HappyWarrior
That is a key difference. Hell I think what bugged me was he was too aware of it sometimes. I remember one time he told the C students of the world they too could be President and it annoyed me given his pedigree. I don’t remember W ever being outright malicious to his opponents but he just had a cluelnessness that often annoyed me. Iraq on the heels of Afghanistan is another example. And he definitely had no problem smearing the critics of the Iraq War which of course bothered me too.
Rove was really successful in branding W as an aw-shucks good ole boy. The original candidate you’d like to have a beer with.
Memo to @senatemajldr McConnell: A huge risk you run if you keep guys like Bolton & Mulvaney from testifying at trial: when they finally DO go public — and they will — it’ll be clear to everyone exactly what you were hiding. That time bomb is bound to explode eventually.
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) December 20, 2019
re: #212 DodgerFan1988
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Another “hero” of the Republican Party.
She looks like a relative of Iowa’s white nationalist congressman Steve King
re: #226 jaunte
One possibility: ignorant of the news about white supremacists, which would be a major flaw for a potential future officer.
Second possibility: perfectly aware and engaged in a white supremacist troll, which should be disqualifying for future leadership roles.
third possibility: they’re a bunch of 18 year olds who don’t know white supremacist memes because that is something that has just never occurred to any of them. And yes, 18 year olds are remarkably oblivious of current events—even ones who come out of really good prep schools and wind up in my classes. They don’t watch news. They don’t read news. My students look at me blankly when I mention television that was on 10 years ago. They were 8 years old at that time. They don’t know what The Wire is. They’ve never seen the Sopranos. The vast majority have no idea who Elton John is, or an ability to name the presidents in order after, say, Franklin Roosevelt.
re: #243 Joe Bacon 🌹
As I posted before, when I was an undergrad at Pitt in the 70s, the Economics department was split between Milton Friedman’s Monetarists and Murray Rothbard’s Anarcho-Capitalist Libertarians.
I’ve always been fascinated about the divides within movements Joe. One of my favorite things to learn about was the Sino-Soviet split. I took classes from both sides of it- the Chinese and Soviet.
re: #248 steve_davis
This meme is new and spreads through the internet.
re: #245 Teddy’s Person
Rove was really successful in branding W as an aw-shucks good ole boy. The original candidate you’d like to have a beer with.
And it worked. And you know what, I could probably be civil to Bush if I ever met him. I get why people were pissed off at Ellen for saying what she said obviously but I get why people like her and Michele Obama have pointed him out as a person especially Michele. Michele dealt with a lot of ugliness from the right wing media but the Bushes to their credit were cordial to the Obamas from the start. That’s what I think people need to consider when they get upset at Michelle for declaring W her friend. The Obamas took a lot of shit from a lot of people for not doing the “right” thing but Laura and Dubya didn’t engage in that. Obviously I know Dubya disagreed with Obama’s policies but I never got the impression that he thought less of Obama as a person the way Romney did and certainly Trump does. I think McCain was a bit jealous of Obama but not contempt.
re: #234 Weaselone
1. So your contention is that the screening process is sufficient to remove racists, but porous enough to allow individuals who would engage in juvenile punching games on national television through.
2. Many elite universities also require straight As, heavy/exemplary extra curricular activities and solid recommendations. Am I to assume that means any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism?
3. Something around half of our US Senators are racist crackers. Their endorsement means little.
1. Yes, the screening process is the most rigorous of any university in this country. Elitism, yes. Racism? Skeptical. 50 years ago? Sure. Completely different culture. Today? Seriously? No. Not at the service academies.
2. Jesus Christ. You’ve known me on this board for how long now? And you seriously imagine that I said something suggesting that “any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism”? Come on. As Capablanca said to Nimzovitch during a chess game, “Please make better moves.”
3. Okay, giving up now. Not worth my time.
re: #248 steve_davis
They don’t know what The Wire is. They’ve never seen the Sopranos. The vast majority have no idea who Elton John is, or an ability to name the presidents in order after, say, Franklin Roosevelt.
Which makes it even more incredulous that they know a game that was played when I was in high school and college 25 years ago.
I remember hearing that the Air Force Academy had a problem, not so much with white supremacy, but with Dominionists (I’m sure there’s some overlap there). I have a friend who just took a job in the English dept. there. She said that the guy who hired her discussed this and said it isn’t a problem now. All anecdotal, I know.
re: #252 HappyWarrior
And it worked. And you know what, I could probably be civil to Bush if I ever met him. I get why people were pissed off at Ellen for saying what she said obviously but I get why people like her and Michele Obama have pointed him out as a person especially Michele. Michele dealt with a lot of ugliness from the right wing media but the Bushes to their credit were cordial to the Obamas from the start. That’s what I think people need to consider when they get upset at Michelle for declaring W her friend. The Obamas took a lot of shit from a lot of people for not doing the “right” thing but Laura and Dubya didn’t engage in that. Obviously I know Dubya disagreed with Obama’s policies but I never got the impression that he thought less of Obama as a person the way Romney did and certainly Trump does. I think McCain was a bit jealous of Obama but not contempt.
Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.
re: #256 Teddy’s Person
Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.
I get both sides of Ellen. I really wish W would start acknowledging his fuck ups. That could go a long way.
re: #122 Teddy’s Person
I think someone wants grandbabies.
President Obama gracefully walked up and asked to hold my niece Riley. He was golfing in Hawaii. My niece is the GOAT period.
Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.
re: #257 HappyWarrior
I get both sides of Ellen. I really wish W would start acknowledging his fuck ups. That could go a long way.
Maybe he could paint a mural called my many fuck ups.
re: #258 Decatur Deb
Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.
Well sometimes it is good to remember what we lost.
re: #258 Decatur Deb
Could we please stop posting videos of our President being a mensch until we have unburdened ourselves of the Current Embarrassment? The dissonance is…uncomfortable.
I sometimes wonder if Trump’s election wouldn’t have been so shocking if he replaced Bush instead of Obama and come to the conclusion that I would have been just as shocked (I spent election night texting variations of wtf to my friend).
re: #256 Teddy’s Person
Personally, I wouldn’t piss on W if he was on fire. I see Michele and Ellen differently. The Bushes and Obamas are part of the elite club of former presidents and first ladies and have to behave a particular way at public events. Ellen, on the other hand, has no such obligations and cultivates a personality of being upbeat and positive. I just wish she’d not engage in rehabilitating the guy who lied us into a war.
Bush is and will always be a war criminal. Don’t matter if you call it enhanced interrogation. So yeah, I would also be conserving my urine.
re: #260 HappyWarrior
Well sometimes it is good to remember what we lost.
When I’ve feeling particularly masochistic, I rewatch Obama singing Amazing Grace and have a good cry.
re: #262 Jebediah, RBG
Bush is and will always be a war criminal. Don’t matter if you call it enhanced interrogation. So yeah, I would also be conserving my urine.
Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…
re: #264 Nyet
Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…
So far, at least.
Trump threatened to shut down the government if Democrats didn’t strip out a provision for prompt Ukraine aid. Seems like the president is sensitive about Ukraine aid, for some reason. https://t.co/pgUWhFGXQa
— Mark Jacob (@MarkJacob16) December 20, 2019
re: #263 Teddy’s Person
When I’ve feeling particularly masochistic, I rewatch Obama singing Amazing Grace and have a good cry.
I listened to both his and Michelle’s memoir on Audible. It was just so good to hear their voices again. Good people. Really. I really wish I had volunteered for the Obama campaigns but I never did. I was transferring to college in 2008 and I had recently graduated in 2012 so no time really focus on politics which I wasn’t really doing in 2008 anyhow since 2004 had been such a disappointment for me since I thought no way Bush would lose.
re: #264 Nyet
Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…
That’s very true. I do fear though Trump may be causing more long term damage.
re: #266 jaunte
Why, it’s almost like he’s uninterested in what actually happens to Ukraine.
re: #265 Eclectic Cyborg
So far, at least.
I don’t see Trump as being the one who starts a war. I see Trump being the one whose ignorance leads to a war.
re: #261 Teddy’s Person
I sometimes wonder if Trump’s election wouldn’t have been so shocking if he replaced Bush instead of Obama and come to the conclusion that I would have been just as shocked (I spent election night texting variations of wtf to my friend).
Lincoln was between Buchanan and Johnson just like poor Obama got stuck between Dubya and Trump. I really think the purer than thou on the left had unrealistic expectations of Obama’s presidency.
re: #266 jaunte
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re: #215 Targetpractice
What we’ve really discovered in the past 48 hours is that, despite the constant refrain for much of the past three years, Trump never wanted to be impeached and doing so was not “playing into his hands.” What he wanted was to be “acquitted,” particularly for the Russia investigation, because then he could run in 2020 on the lie that he was the “victim” of a partisan conspiracy that had failed to remove him in a “coup.” And it’s driving him nuts that the woman he once believed would never impeach him is now standing in the way of that “acquittal.”
I don’t imagine that life is very good for Sen. Yertle right now, with Donny screaming in one ear and his wife screaming in the other about scrutiny finally falling upon her obvious influence peddling.
I truly hate to say it, but I think your “acquitted” scenario (or, as our Moron-in-Chief is likely to put it, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY ACQUITTED!!!1!!!!11!!!) is still likely to be the Administration’s go-to talking-point for dealing with the whole impeachment mess, and that loud, repeated protestations of (COMPLETE INNOCENCE!!!), and blaming his political enemies (RADICAL LEFT-WING COMMIE ATHEIST TRAITORS!!!!!) for his (UNPRECEDENTED ILLEGAL HARASSMENT!!! and UNCONSTITUTIONAL COUP!!!!! ) is going to be the standard Trump/GOP “strategy” i.e. media blitz - from here on.
re: #272 HappyWarrior
Lincoln was between Buchanan and Johnson just like poor Obama got stuck between Dubya and Trump. I really think the purer than thou on the left had unrealistic expectations of Obama’s presidency.
Oooh, nice historical analogy!
Was expecting a few downdings for my libertarian post, TBH. I thought it was pretty funny, because whenever I take a test to determine my political leanings, it inevitably comes back solid libertarian.
I’m so NOT a libertarian. OK, maybe for a few seconds when I was a kid, but no. I want a lot less frivolous laws. I want much more personal freedom. But I also want my damn food inspected and the firemen to save my house if it goes up in flames.
Society works better with cooperation.
re: #264 Nyet
Despite all Trump is doing, Bush is still responsible for many more deaths…
True, and I hope lots of people do not forget that.
re: #277 plansbandc
Was expecting a few downdings for my libertarian post, TBH. I thought it was pretty funny, because whenever I take a test to determine my political leanings, it inevitably comes back solid libertarian.
I’m so NOT a libertarian. OK, maybe for a few seconds when I was a kid, but no. I want a lot less frivolous laws. I want much more personal freedom. But I also want my damn food inspected and the firemen to save my house if it goes up in flames.
Society works better with cooperation.
Everyone has a bit of libertarian and socialist in them. To me the key is balance.
re: #276 Teddy’s Person
Oooh, nice historical analogy!
It’s of course different since Johnson was Lincoln’s VP. I always wonder what history looks like if Lincoln keeps Hamlin as VP.
re: #280 HappyWarrior
It’s of course different since Johnson was Lincoln’s VP. I always wonder what history looks like if Lincoln keeps Hamlin as VP.
But the general point stands. An inspiring leader between two duds.
oh god no not another one https://t.co/7rEH4BQj0Q
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 20, 2019
re: #281 Teddy’s Person
But the general point stands. An inspiring leader between two duds.
Yeah I can’t think of any other time you had a great president sandwiched in between two awful ones.
re: #274 Teddy’s Person
So, Trump’s under investigation for withholding aid from Ukraine, demands to be allowed to keep withholding aid from Ukraine and Congress goes along with it because otherwise Trump will burn it all down. We’re being held hostage by the world’s orangest toddler. How the fuck did we get here?
Fox News.
FLAKE: “My simple test for all of us: What if President Barack Obama had engaged in precisely the same behavior? I know the answer to that question with certainty, and so do you.” https://t.co/hrMTlFVvGY
— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) December 20, 2019
FLAKE: “If there ever was a time to put country over party, it is now.” https://t.co/hrMTlFVvGY
— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) December 20, 2019
FLAKE: “Call it the founders’ blind spot: They simply could not have envisioned the Article I branch abetting and enabling such dangerous behavior in the Article II branch. And when we are complicit, we cede our constitutional responsibilities.” https://t.co/hrMTlFVvGY
— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) December 20, 2019
re: #287 Dread Pirate
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Nice to hear but can’t help but to think what he be saying if he still had to answer to Republican voters.
re: #287 Dread Pirate
He could have stuck around and fought for what he believed. Instead, Martha McSally will rubber-stamp whatever Mitch tells her to do.
re: #287 Dread Pirate
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Thanks Jeff. If only you had been in some position to provide a check to Trump’s power, we wouldn’t be in this mess. ////
re: #289 i(m)p(each)sos
He could have stuck around and fought for what he believed. Instead, Martha McSally will rubber-stamp whatever Mitch tells her to do.
McSally is there because she replaced Kyl. Sinema won Flake’s seat but he’s definitely not a profile in courage.
NEW exclu:Pompeo was supposed to go to Kyiv in November but Trump pulled the plug at the last minute in part because of the release of Taylor’s deposition transcript. Pompeo wanted to avoid the embassy and conduct meetings at hotel room https://t.co/Aa7hWQIpQo
— Erin Banco (@ErinBanco) December 20, 2019
I’ll give Amash credit for first leaving the GOP and then not making any excuses for Trump. I don’t like him but he’s got integrity.
re: #31 lawhawk
Darth Vader is Luke’s Dad. Luke kissed his … .sister.
Obi Wan is a failure.
I blame Obiwan for everything that happened. He was a crappy mentor and it left scars for generations.
re: #294 Belafon
I blame Obiwan for everything that happened. He was a crappy mentor and it left scars for generations.
In defense of Obi-Wan, he, like the rest of the Jedi, tried to warn Qui-Gon that Anakin was bad news. He ultimately agreed to train Anakin because of a promise made to a dying Qui-Gon.
Bascially, Obi-Wan took the gig because had that much respect for his master, not because he actually really wanted to do it.
Translation: we just made a shitload of money in the markets by lying to y’all …
— Tampons for 15 Flush Trump (@TamponsForTrump) December 20, 2019
I’ve been telling you guys for years now that Miller is easily the worst person in this administration. https://t.co/hf9fR9fIHV
— Angry Staffer (@AngrierWHStaff) December 20, 2019
“I don’t have a dog in this race” is such a weird phrase. I would never put my dog in a race. Unless the race involved the dog thrusting its head into snow banks, pulling out a frozen turd, gobbling it up, and running on to the next turd-laden snow while pulling me across icy and dangerous surfaces. I’d bet on her in a heartbeat.
Edit: ok, now I’m worried I got the wrong idiom. Should it be “horse in this fight”? “Rooster in this race”? “Bernie in this bag”?
re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I think I would call Miller the cruelest person in the admin, not necessarily the outright worst (that would probably be Trump).
re: #158 Dr Lizardo
Not to mention that the Mercator Projection minimizes the size of the African continent.
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My son is in geography, and had to learn a bunch of the maps and their problems.
Works with Trumpists, too. https://t.co/QIfeB09i7N
— Harry Turtledove (@HNTurtledove) December 20, 2019
Trump re-election adviser told Wisconsin Republicans the party “traditionally” relied on voter suppression to compete in battleground states but will be able to “start playing offense” due to relaxed Election Day rules, according to audio obtained by AP. https://t.co/4OgCW1CpDu
— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 20, 2019
re: #297 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Today, 25 Jewish Members of Congress called for the dismissal of White House Senior Advisor Stephen Miller for disseminating the views of hate groups supportive of white supremacy and virulently anti-immigrant tropes.
The letter to President Donald Trump was led by U.S. Representatives Brad Schneider (D-IL) and Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), and signed by all Jewish Democratic Members of Congress.
“The recently released emails show Stephen Miller trafficking the views of white supremacist hate groups that espouse a repugnant and extreme anti-immigrant agenda,” said the letter’s co-leads Schneider and Wasserman Schultz. “These hateful views have no place in our government, much less just steps from the Oval Office. At this time of rising antisemitism, xenophobia, racism and white supremacy, we must forcefully call out and refuse to accept intolerance or hate anywhere within our government. … Source”
re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
I really hope Trump gets crushed in the rust belt next year.
BREAKING NEWS: ACA open enrollment numbers are out. Total coverage will actually be HIGHER.
Trump’s and sabotage be damned.— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) December 20, 2019
Always always always look at @charles_gaba if you want the real details. https://t.co/VIUjlVEc96
— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) December 20, 2019
Our country is so f*cked up with these folk:
#ChristiansAgainstTrump
THESE so-called “Christians” support murdering babies, the shush fund payouts, illegals being allowed to vote.
“Christians”, who should know, if they know their Bible, that God puts in place who he wants to rule &they want to subvert that? Get after it. pic.twitter.com/on8yEQlHX7— That Woman 🖤 (@YaUsedToKnow) December 21, 2019
re: #253 steve_davis
1. Yes, the screening process is the most rigorous of any university in this country. Elitism, yes. Racism? Skeptical. 50 years ago? Sure. Completely different culture. Today? Seriously? No. Not at the service academies.
2. Jesus Christ. You’ve known me on this board for how long now? And you seriously imagine that I said something suggesting that “any graduate of these institutions is also free of racism”? Come on. As Capablanca said to Nimzovitch during a chess game, “Please make better moves.”
3. Okay, giving up now. Not worth my time.
Sorry about that. I’m in a sort of snarky and cynical mood, so you got a significantly more sarcasm and snark than merited in my response. Short, more reasonable summary.
1. I don’t think that West Point is riddled with racists, but I think it’s a bit naive at this point to assume that any institution is going to be so thorough as to keep a few from slipping in through the cracks here and there. It’s also a bit unfair to hold them to that high of a standard, especially as it’s known that the military and law enforcement are targets for infiltration. The institutions aren’t going to be perfect in screening. What they do need to do is their best to keep them from entering and kick them out as soon as they reveal themselves.
2. I actually buy that this might have actually been a bunch of juvenile BS and 3 not West Point Cadets maliciously or ironically throwing white power signs. There’s also a fair point it was 3 West Point cadets throwing white power signs and West Point’s more than happy to push accept this excuse, not because they’re into tolerating racism, but rather because they’re engaged in a bit of institutional ass covering.
re: #306 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Our country is so f*cked up with these folk:
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God puts in place who he wants to rule.*
*Not valid if a Democrat is elected.
VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available.
….and has my FULL Endorsement. This is a BIG win for our GOP and a BIG win for South Jersey. South Jersey is TRUMP COUNTRY, so I know ALL NJ Republicans will join me in supporting Jeff Van Drew. The Dems are already coming after him, so help Jeff win. https://t.co/whoUDnen12
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2019
“hating sure feels good doesnt it” - you can go to one of Trump’s rallies and sample hate, directly from Trump’s pulpit, directly from the ugly chants of his crowds.
— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) December 21, 2019
Christians have always argued over “who is really a Christian”. It’s a feature, not a bug.
— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) December 21, 2019
re: #309 Teddy’s Person
VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available.
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I’m sure the GOP in that district are quite happy being told that a turn-coat Democratic Party official is their best bet for winning an election in that district.
” defended Judeo-Christian principles” - yeah, principles such as lying, deceiving, obstructing justice, bigotry, sloth, and breaking many misc. laws. Not to mention being pro-torture, cowardice, and all around imbecility.
— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) December 21, 2019
Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.
re: #311 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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Christians have always argued over “who is really a Christian”. It’s a feature, not a bug.
Another feature Christianity picked up from Judaism…
“Three Jews, four opinions” is still a pretty reliable benchmark: toss in the “who is really a Jew” question, and it goes up to five or six.
re: #309 Teddy’s Person
VAn Drew might want to have a word with Matt Bevin. I hear he’s available
Guessing that Van Drew will be beat en by one of the other rupubs running I n that district; won’t even get a chance to run against the dem.
re: #316 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Guessing that Van Drew will be beat en by one of the other rupubs running I n that district; won’t even get a chance to run against the dem.
I would think the Dems have a good shot at keeping this district. His district can’t be all that red if he didn’t think he could explain a no to impeachment. I assume that the Republican will be pro-Trump and not the squishy middle. Full disclosure, I don’t know anything about Van Drew’s district. This is all speculation based on the fact that he won the last election in that district.
re: #317 Teddy’s Person
I would think the Dems have a good shot at keeping this district. His district can’t be all that red if he didn’t think he could explain a no to impeachment. I assume that the Republican will be pro-Trump and not the squishy middle. Full disclosure, I don’t know anything about Van Drew’s district. This is all speculation based on the fact that he won the last election in that district.
Southern quarter of NJ including Atlantic City and Ocean City. Cook PVI of R +1 according to Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org
re: #296 Dread Pirate
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This needy bastard needs to be praised for every single thing
I swear “Mommy look what I just did in the bathroom”
Because he’s so in over his head everything *is* an accomplishment
Trump says he had a “very good talk” with Chinese President Xi Jinping and that a formal signing of a trade agreement is being arranged https://t.co/DM1xxON8qe
— Bloomberg (@business) December 20, 2019
re: #212 DodgerFan1988
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An Iowa woman is charged with attempted murder after telling authorities that she drove over a teenage girl because she was Hispanic, police say
I’m trying to imagine what Christmas is going to be like for her family. I bet they consider themselves to be good Xians and patriots, and maybe think that the woman was justified in killing a kid. Damn them.
I only have sympathy for the poor family of the child. What horror they must be going through.
To all you old farts out there. There’s a “I Love Lucy” Christmas Special on CBS.
I highly recommend it.
And the Star Wars Movie was an entertaining Star Wars Movie.
Really nothing more.
More from Flake
To my former Senate Republican colleagues, I don’t envy you.”
“It might not be fair, but none of the successes, achievements and triumphs you’ve had in public office — whatever bills you’ve passed, hearings you’ve chaired, constituents you have had the privilege of helping — will matter more than your actions in the coming months.”
“President Trump is on trial. But in a very real sense, so are you. And so is the political party to which we belong.”
re: #292 Dread Pirate
“Pompeo wanted to avoid the embassy and hold meetings in his hotel room”—Why? To make it easier for the Russians to spy on him? Jesus, the stupidity of these people is astounding.
re: #314 prairiefire
Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.
That was a grandma face. Exponentially more powerful than a mom face.
Seriously
I’m sorry but if your wine cave isn’t inside an active volcano then who the fuck do you think you’re fooling?
— Jason McGoblin (@goddamnedfrank) December 21, 2019
re: #325 sagehen
That was a grandma face. Exponentially more powerful than a mom face.
Northern California equivalent of waving la chancla.
re: #324 mmmirele
“Pompeo wanted to avoid the embassy and hold meetings in his hotel room”—Why? To make it easier for the Russians to spy on him? Jesus, the stupidity of these people is astounding.
Probably some rules regarding the recording or steno of what was said in meetings. Much easier in a hotel room to arrange for a recorder to be turned off, person told to stop taking notes or simply being sent out of the room.
re: #314 prairiefire
Who were those who said Nancy could not control the squad? One flick of her wrist and a mom face and they were quiet.
I’m hoping that she can keep that discipline during the State of the Union speech. I want to see the Democrats stone silent and attentive, while the Republican side whoops and hollers at every insult and lie that Trump shovels out.
re: #329 stpaulbear
I think she might let them off the chain.
re: #315 Jay C
Another feature Christianity picked up from Judaism…
“Three Jews, four opinions” is still a pretty reliable benchmark: toss in the “who is really a Jew” question, and it goes up to five or six.
But Jews arguing with other Jews about who’s really a Jew… don’t bring swords to the discussion. That’s a Christian innovation.
The 30 Years War, the 100 Years War, 2 English Civil Wars…
re: #318 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Southern quarter of NJ including Atlantic City and Ocean City. Cook PVI of R +1 according to Wikipedia. en.wikipedia.org
Atlantic City HATES Donald Trump. With good reason. They may be right of center as a general rule, but they’re very very anti-Trump.