US Kills Iran’s Most Powerful General in Baghdad Strike
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Happy New War from our impeached president.
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Reaction from Iran’s foreign minister: https://t.co/sE6DGzpuXU
— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) January 3, 2020
I would love it if the House filed an impeachment article for not notifying Congress.
re: #4 Belafon
I would love it if the House filed an impeachment article for not notifying Congress.
It would be a good moment to force a decision on the constitutionality of the War Powers Act.
Oh man I hope martyrdom isn’t like some huge fuckin’ deal in Iran or anything
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) January 3, 2020
re: #4 Belafon
I would love it if the House filed an impeachment article for not notifying Congress.
They definitely should. Throw it right back in his bloated orange face.
Oh goodie, I see production on “Wag the Dog 2: Electric Boogaloo” is proceeding nicely.
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re: #4 Belafon
I would love it if the House filed an impeachment article for not notifying Congress.
Under the War Powers Act, was Trump required to notify anyone in Congress before launching a strike (never mind it was a high Iranian government official)?
Moreover, if he did notify someone (McConnell or Graham say), does that qualify, and would we know if he did?
re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Under the War Powers Act, was Trump required to notify anyone in Congress before launching a strike (never mind it was a high Iranian government official)?
Moreover, if he did notify someone (McConnell or Graham say), does that qualify, and would we know if he did?
I wouldn’t be surprised id McConnell and Graham lie about that.
Iranian sources are signaling that they may strike US forces. https://t.co/h1A9J0d9mj
— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) January 3, 2020
Gonna get bad.
Made a new batch of tinfoil. Good/Bad?
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What if Qassem Soleimani wasn’t behind the attack on the US embassy in Baghdad, rather, instrumental in getting the militias pulled back from the compound?
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re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Fifty bucks says he will say he used the AUMF.
Little leery of sleeping tonight. What will we wake up to?
Get ready for an unending barrage of moral blackmail from the folks who sit and nod while Trump heaps praise on Kim Jong Un and praises every lowlife thug world leader he meets. https://t.co/ychoOaxMgD
— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) January 3, 2020
“If you agree that this guy deserved to die, how can you say Trump was wrong for killing him!?”
re: #16 William Lewis
Hey Teukka, from our exchange downstairs, this came to my mind:
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His Requiem remains my favorite. Gentle, beautiful & hopeful. The only reason I have to die rich is to pay for it to be sung at my funeral mass.
These two either one of the two, or both, are what I request at my funeral:
No “Sailing” or “Bridge over troubled water” or I’ll haunt your sorry ass to Judgement Day.
Oh, and this one, this one I hope I never get to see the perfect setting for.
re: #17 Rightwingconspirator
Little leery of sleeping tonight. What will we wake up to?
Oy, tell me about it. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.
re: #15 Ace Rothstein
Fifty bucks says he will say he used the AUMF.
Further clarification: there was a presidential finding which is sometimes coupled with 127e. I’m going to have to speak to some more people to get this point nailed down. https://t.co/jZVUnHtV8c
— James LaPorta (@JimLaPorta) January 3, 2020
Looking forward to right-wingers asking me why I sympathize with the terrorists.
My friend’s son is being deployed in 6 days. Before today she wasn’t nearly as angry/afraid/despondent. Sigh.
re: #19 Teukka
These two either one of the two, or both, are what I request at my funeral:
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The corvidae - crows - are bright birds. Perhaps a heat adapted version of them will be the next species that the Lord tries sentience with…
And what the fuck. We kill this asshole, thinking it will solve anything? We are in for a world of hurt. AQ and Bin Laden did what they did with such limited resources compared to the Iranian military.
re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus
And we’re still there. 18 years later.
re: #23 GlutenFreeJesus
My friend’s son is being deployed in 6 days. Before today she wasn’t nearly as angry/afraid/despondent. Sigh.
To what general area and with what unit, if you don’t mind my asking?
re: #27 William Lewis
All I can say is aircraft carrier.
re: #25 GlutenFreeJesus
And what the fuck. We kill this asshole, thinking it will solve anything? We are in for a world of hurt. AQ and Bin Laden did what they did with such limited resources compared to the Iranian military.
We killed this guy because the guy in the Oval Office suffered a bruise to his ego and couldn’t allow it to go unanswered. And of the options the Pentagon likely offered him, he went with the flashiest one that he could. With the assumption that if this led to a war, it would be good for his “ratings” because it would give the press something else to talk about and might turn public opinion against impeachment.
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
—Isaac Asimov, 100 years old today https://t.co/AfvJ2D4C8s— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) January 3, 2020
re: #31 Ace Rothstein
Someone with deep emotional problems.
re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus
All I can say is aircraft carrier.
Ok, understand. It’s good to be a squid these days. Better that than a tread head on the ground locally (so says the old tread head)… :(
This is where timing comes into play. If true, then that is several days that WH knew plan. And if that’s the case, long enough to change Pompeo’s plans, then the failure to tell Gang of 8 seems hard to defend. https://t.co/Cr0lfEQkxv
— Juliette Kayyem (@juliettekayyem) January 3, 2020
Article from a few days ago that was looking at the legalities of the airstrikes in late December. Yesterday’s hit is an escalation, and will probably depend on the same legalities. Whether all this is playing to Iran’s favor? Maybe. Is it going to get more young Americans (and other nationalities) killed in the region. Quite likely.
What a way to push all the younger pro-Western Iranians towards the Mullahs.
re: #35 jaunte
Juliette Kayyem
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@juliettekayyem
This is where timing comes into play. If true, then that is several days that WH knew plan. And if that’s the case, long enough to change Pompeo’s plans, then the failure to tell Gang of 8 seems hard to defend.Pompeo canceled his trip to Eastern Europe in order to be near Trump and advise him in advance of strike on Soleimani. https://t.co/BJrNZKDsfr
— Shane Harris (@shaneharris) January 3, 2020
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Do we know that the Gang of 8 was not informed of this strike? Or is it just speculation?
re: #38 Hecuba’s daughter
Do we know that the Gang of 8 was not informed of this strike? Or is it just speculation?
Listening to Rachel right now. Nancy released a statement—she was not told…
The continued worship by the chuds and proclamations of Trump’s amazing strength and resolve over this shit proves again what should have been fairly obvious before: they don’t want a president. They want a fucking Emperor. They want him to be their unilateral God-King who decides shit by fiat, because that, to them, is true strength, that’s true leadership, doing shit without care of the consequences because fuck everyone else, selfishness and short-sightedness is sign of a true man.
re: #38 Hecuba’s daughter
Do we know that the Gang of 8 was not informed of this strike? Or is it just speculation?
Democrats were mentioning earlier today that no one was notified.
I wonder which Trump property will be the first attacked by Iran?
re: #41 Belafon
Democrats were mentioning earlier today that no one was notified.
Not surprised. That Trump would start ignoring even the relatively loose restrictions of the AUMFs is simply another step in the process.
re: #41 Belafon
Democrats were mentioning earlier today that no one was notified.
Look for some BSing about how Repubs were told but not Dems, the excuse being that the WH didn’t inform them for fear of “leaks.”
This time I have no children to sacrifice on the altar of the Republican Party.
re: #42 Joe Bacon 🌹
I wonder which Trump property will be the first attacked by Iran?
That would be perhaps too clever for the Iranians to think of. And I wonder if Trump’s properties are way over-insured or under-insured in relation to their actual value. (It’s gotta be one or the other.)
Boy I can’t wait for the reinstatement of the draft.
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re: #47 SteelPH
Boy I can’t wait for the reinstatement of the draft.
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You can count on Benjyboy to chicken out from serving again!
This is the least self aware take I’ve ever seen. Quite impressive
— Mitch Motlagh (@iririririrkrjfk) January 3, 2020
re: #28 GlutenFreeJesus
And blockade the Straits of Hormuz.
re: #17 Rightwingconspirator
Little leery of sleeping tonight. What will we wake up to?
whatever the morning holds, will be easier to face well-rested than twitchy and sleep-deprived.
Much like al-Baghdadi, wingnuts are desperately spinning Gen. Soleimani as the greatest monster in the Middle East and thus Trump got a bigger fish than Obama did with OBL. And buying totally into the idea that Iranians and Iraqis alike will celebrate the man’s death, despite polls from earlier this year showing he enjoyed 82% approval of the Iranian people for…wait for it…defeating ISIS.
re: #54 HappyWarrior
Sigh. Shit is going to get real.
The only question is where will the retaliation take place!
re: #54 HappyWarrior
Sigh. Shit is going to get real.
As it migrates sideways, in a pear shape, into the rotary air distribution apparatus…
re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹
The only question is where will the retaliation take place!
I don’t know. Man this is bad.
re: #56 Teukka
As it migrates sideways, in a pear shape, into the rotary air distribution apparatus…
I was really hoping the New Year would not have us on the brink of a new war. Sigh. He needs to go now more than ever. He put so many American lives in danger.
re: #57 HappyWarrior
I don’t know. Man this is bad.
I imagine military bases in the US are now on a higher threat level than normal. That’s fine for military bases but doesn’t help other much easier targets.
My wife notes that Iran’s computer capabilities are quite good. In an asymmetrical attack, military hackers might do something like switch every traffic light in Chicago green at the same time.
I really fear this could be that Franz Ferdinand moment.
This is what the Neocons have been hoping for and it’s going to blow up in their faces even worse than their Iraq debacle.
re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹
This is what the Neocons have been hoping for and it’s going to blow up in their faces even worse than their Iraq debacle.
Iran is after all a lot bigger than Iraq is and not as politically isolated as Hussein’s Iraq. This is so bad.
re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹
This is what the Neocons have been hoping for and it’s going to blow up in their faces even worse than their Iraq debacle.
John Bolton has to be kicking himself for getting canned from the maladministration.
This was the moment he’s been living for his entire time in politics.
The Left actually wants Iran to attack America so they can blame it on Trump
That’s where they’re at right now
This is real life— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) January 3, 2020
They are really working their marks:
After 3 years of telling us to go to war with Russia, a nuclear power, Democrats are now saying it was wrong to kill a terrorist #Soleimani, because that might lead to war with Iran, a non-nuclear power with a population that despises the regime.
F-ck off!— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) January 3, 2020
re: #65 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
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Uh no. We’re upset that he very likely violated international law as well as our own and put US troops in danger but thanks for playing guy who will just shit talk on Twitter while other people worry about their loved ones. Fucking asshole.
re: #65 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
Moran says what? I imagine “the left” will be out protesting if Trump tries to start a war, just as “the left” did with the last GOP maladventure in Iraq.
[hat tinfoil] There’s no way Trump even knew who this guy was, nor any of his idiotic children. Why pick him for retaliation? Perhaps John Bolton is still talking to Trump? Adding tinfoil, maybe this was Erik Prince’s idea? [/hat]
re: #66 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus
They are really working their marks:
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So I expect to see Cernovich at the next enlistment ceremony then. Sanctioning Russia for the shit they did isn’t the same as what happened tonight.
re: #68 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Moran says what? I imagine “the left” will be out protesting if Trump tries to start a war, just as “the left” did with the last GOP maladventure in Iraq.
[hat tinfoil] There’s no way Trump even knew who this guy was, nor any of his idiotic children. Why pick him for retaliation? Perhaps John Bolton is still talking to Trump? Adding tinfoil, maybe this was Erik Prince’s idea? [/hat]
Pompeo or Esper would know who he was. Pompeo’s an ass but he’s not completely uninformed about who’s who.
re: #69 HappyWarrior
So I expect to see Cernovich at the next enlistment ceremony then. Sanctioning Russia for the shit they did isn’t the same as what happened tonight.
If I was still in my Navy recruiting job, he’s the sort of person I would turn away (someone who wants to go kill [insert slur here]).
re: #71 Anymouse 🌹🎃
If I was still in my Navy recruiting job, he’s the sort of person I would turn away (someone who wants to go kill [insert slur here]).
Sarcasm. Really fuck these assholes. They called Clinton a warmonger and Trump just got us closer to WWIII. I swear. This is gonna be a long decade.
re: #72 HappyWarrior
Sarcasm. Really fuck these assholes. They called Clinton a warmonger and Trump just got us closer to WWIII. I swear. This is gonna be a long decade.
My sympathies go out to Joe Bacon tonight; this can’t be good on him with the GOP trying to start another unjustified war.
re: #74 Targetpractice
And to the surprise of…absolutely no one, the “peace doves” drop the act and admit they were warhawks all along.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Substitute “chickenhawks.”
“THIS GUY WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF AMERICANS, WHICH IS WHY THE APPROPRIATE RESPONSE IS PROVOKING A WAR THAT WILL LEAD TO THE DEATHS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS INSTEAD!”
re: #73 Anymouse 🌹🎃
My sympathies go out to Joe Bacon tonight; this can’t be good on him with the GOP trying to start another unjustified war.
Oh absolutely. Joe knows the human cost of war quite well as does yourself. I can’t see this ending well. Tehran is going to make this guy into a martyr and it’s going to complicate efforts big time in that region.
re: #74 Targetpractice
And to the surprise of…absolutely no one, the “peace doves” drop the act and admit they were warhawks all along.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
They just didn’t like Iraq because Bush sold it in part as a war of liberation and Obama got stuck handling it.
i think assassinating archduke souleimani shouldn’t have any repercussions
re: #70 HappyWarrior
Pompeo or Esper would know who he was. Pompeo’s an ass but he’s not completely uninformed about who’s who.
Looks like Pompeo is a neocon: one of many online references to this policy perspective.
re: #79 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
i think assassinating archduke souleimani shouldn’t have any repercussions
I’m glad I’m not the only who sees the similarity. They’re going to want to avenge this and there’s gonna be a cost to it. At best economic, at worst economically and in terms of American military lives and geopolitical standing.
re: #81 Hecuba’s daughter
Looks like Pompeo is a neocon: one of many online references to this policy perspective.
In the end, it’s Trump. Goddamn. All this shit because Trump could not take that Obama reached a deal with Iran. Goddamn.
re: #82 HappyWarrior
I’m glad I’m not the only who sees the similarity. They’re going to want to avenge this and there’s gonna be a cost to it. At best economic, at worst economically and in terms of American military lives and geopolitical standing.
Yep — earlier this evening a friend and I had a long discussion, comparing this to the event that triggered WWI
re: #84 Hecuba’s daughter
Yep — earlier this evening a friend and I had a long discussion, comparing this to the event that triggered WWI
Yeah and sure enough Iraq as a nation state in 2020 resembles the Balkan states of 1914. We also don’t have a diplomatic apparatus that inspires confidence at all. Makes me all the more nervous about this.
re: #84 Hecuba’s daughter
Yep — earlier this evening a friend and I had a long discussion, comparing this to the event that triggered WWI
re: #85 HappyWarrior
Yeah and sure enough Iraq as a nation state in 2020 resembles the Balkan states of 1914. We also don’t have a diplomatic apparatus that inspires confidence at all. Makes me all the more nervous about this.
It’s just amazing how many people I see taking the position of ‘But a bad guy died, and that’s that, didn’t he do the world a favor?’, like the very fucking concept of diplomacy is so alien to them that it simply doesn’t exist. Which, I’m not sure is all that much better than the overt contempt for diplomacy the maladministration has.
All that crap about how Hillary was gonna start a war huh. I hate the fake doves more than I do the neoconservatives. At least the latter are honest, the former sell themselves as anti intervention but prove their only problem is Obama was CinC.
re: #86 Citizen K
It’s just amazing how many people I see taking the position of ‘But a bad guy died, and that’s that, didn’t he do the world a favor?’, like the very fucking concept of diplomacy is so alien to them that it simply doesn’t exist. Which, I’m not sure is all that much better than the overt contempt for diplomacy the maladministration has.
I was actually thinking about enrolling in a year or so to AU’s School of International Service. I want to get into the intercultural communication program. I’ve really through my genealogical research and travel met people from many different backgrounds.
And there are rumors Eric Trump knew about the attack before Congressional Dems did. Goddamn. How much national security is he going to put at risk due to his nepotism and refusal to realize Congress is a coequal branch.
re: #87 HappyWarrior
All that crap about how Hillary was gonna start a war huh. I hate the fake doves more than I do the neoconservatives. At least the latter are honest, the former sell themselves as anti intervention but prove their only problem is Obama was CinC.
The fake doves were always chickenhawks in disguise. They were the people whose only real complaint about Obama’s foreign policy and drones and all that rot was that he wasn’t sending troops pouring into these places for a proper war.
Today’s events might explain the sharp increase in gasoline prices when we came back to the hotel from the restaurant this evening.
It looks like going back to Nebraska will cost a lot more than getting to Chicago. Good thing my car gets about 50 mpg.
Iran has threatened shutting the Straits of Hormuz before. If they did that now, there would be an instant economic collapse around the world.
here’s some irony for ya
HILLARY WILL START A WAR: Is Your Daughter Prepared To Fight? (VIDEO) Powerful and SCARY Video Shows Why We MUST Vote TRUMP.
By Dan Sessions - October 29, 201605207
re: #90 Citizen K
The fake doves were always chickenhawks in disguise. They were the people whose only real complaint about Obama’s foreign policy and drones and all that rot was that he wasn’t sending troops pouring into these places for a proper war.
See, Gabbard, Tulsi.
re: #92 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
here’s some irony for ya
HILLARY WILL START A WAR: Is Your Daughter Prepared To Fight? (VIDEO) Powerful and SCARY Video Shows Why We MUST Vote TRUMP.
By Dan Sessions - October 29, 201605207
There’s also a Trump tweet where he says Obama will start a war with Iran to try to win re-election. Trump is everything that Obama and Clinton were accused of.
re: #90 Citizen K
The fake doves were always chickenhawks in disguise. They were the people whose only real complaint about Obama’s foreign policy and drones and all that rot was that he wasn’t sending troops pouring into these places for a proper war.
Drones are a lot more accurate and kill far fewer people. Despite occasionally hitting the wrong target, they kill far fewer non-combatants than missiles or bombing missions on cities.
There are those (mostly on the left as far as I can tell) who don’t like drones, but not because they want a more “flashy” war.
re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Drones are a lot more accurate and kill far fewer people. Despite occasionally hitting the wrong target, they kill far fewer non-combatants than missiles or bombing missions on cities.
There are those (mostly on the left as far as I can tell) who don’t like drones, but not because they want a more “flashy” war.
All I can say is when I was protesting Iraq in 2003, most of these fakers were the ones saying we should nuke Iraq as payback for 9/11. When shit started going south, then they decided they hated intervention.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
There’s also a Trump tweet where he says Obama will start a war with Iran to try to win re-election. Trump is everything that Obama and Clinton were accused of.
It’s projection all the way down. It’s always ever been projection. It’s all the GOP really ever has, mostly because it’s all it ever really needed because of the gullibility and credulity of our political atmosphere.
re: #95 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Drones are a lot more accurate and kill far fewer people. Despite occasionally hitting the wrong target, they kill far fewer non-combatants than missiles or bombing missions on cities.
There are those (mostly on the left as far as I can tell) who don’t like drones, but not because they want a more “flashy” war.
I’m talking about the folks who treated Obama like a unilateral warmonger and tyrant, and lifted Hillary up as the same, but are now super gung-ho about how every single one of Trump’s military misadventures and middle fingers to diplomacy are somehow super brilliant tactics to show the world how strong America is, one punch to the face at a time.
Trump’s maladministration designated Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a sponsor of terrorism back in April.
How is this attack on one of their leaders going to affect the Revolutionary Guard’s investment in his hotel in Azerbaijan?
independent.co.uk
re: #99 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Trump’s maladministration designated Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a sponsor of terrorism back in April.
How is this attack on one of their leaders going to affect the Revolutionary Guard’s investment in his hotel in Azerbaijan?
independent.co.uk
Maybe Uncle Vlad will make a loan.
re: #98 Citizen K
It’s projection all the way down. It’s always ever been projection. It’s all the GOP really ever has, mostly because it’s all it ever really needed because of the gullibility and credulity of our political atmosphere.
I’m talking about the folks who treated Obama like a unilateral warmonger and tyrant, and lifted Hillary up as the same, but are now super gung-ho about how every single one of Trump’s military misadventures and middle fingers to diplomacy are somehow super brilliant tactics to show the world how strong America is, one punch to the face at a time.
They were always so blatantly fake to me because they never cared about the people on the ground or supporting pro democracy and US elements. It was just to attack Obama for having to deal with the situation he inherited that many of them were all for in 2002-3 or indifferent about.
re: #101 HappyWarrior
They were always so blatantly fake to me because they never cared about the people on the ground or supporting pro democracy and US elements. It was just to attack Obama for having to deal with the situation he inherited that many of them were all for in 2002-3 or indifferent about.
Which all boiled down to the same thing that continues to pop up in politics: “If a Democrat does something, it must be inherently wrong and anything bad must be the Dems complete fault and theirs alone.”
re: #102 Citizen K
Which all boiled down to the same thing that continues to pop up in politics: “If a Democrat does something, it must be inherently wrong and anything bad must be the Dems complete fault and theirs alone.”
I mean you do have some that did oppose Iraq but the Trump “anti intervention” crap was born from Obama being in charge. Pence was an enthusiastic and uncritical voice on Iraq in the House but somehow HRC was this Uberhawk and Trump who literally suggested stealing resources was made out to be a dove. I don’t consider HRC a dove but her FP was a lot more complicated than her detractors will admit.
re: #101 HappyWarrior
They were always so blatantly fake to me because they never cared about the people on the ground or supporting pro democracy and US elements. It was just to attack Obama for having to deal with the situation he inherited that many of them were all for in 2002-3 or indifferent about.
We’re hearing about the killing of the leader of Iran’s elite military force, but that was by drone strike at an airport. How many other people were killed in that attack?
With Russia and China having just signed a pact with Iran, a shooting war with them could cause other asymmetrical responses (for example, China dumping all its Treasury bills to tank the US economy).
re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃
We’re hearing about the killing of the leader of Iran’s elite military force, but that was by drone strike at an airport. How many other people were killed in that attack?
Found the answer to my question.
The U.S. launched strikes against targets linked to Iran, officials told Reuters. The strike at the Baghdad International Airport in Iraq killed five people, including Suleimani and Abu Mahdi-Muhandis, a pro-Iranian militia leader who was a senior official in Iraq’s government-linked Popular Mobilization Forces, according to The New York Times.
Democrats Warn Of Massive Consequences After Assassination Of Suleimani (goes to Huffington Post)
re: #104 Anymouse 🌹🎃
We’re hearing about the killing of the leader of Iran’s elite military force, but that was by drone strike at an airport. How many other people were killed in that attack?
Good question
re: #105 Anymouse 🌹🎃
I doubt China would cut off it’s nose just to please Iran. The reason anyone buys US Treasuries to to make money, or at least to hold onto money.
re: #106 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Found the answer to my question.
Democrats Warn Of Massive Consequences After Assassination Of Suleimani (goes to Huffington Post)
I’ve seen the suggestion floated elsewhere that Mahdi-Muhandis was the intended target and Soleimani was in the proverbial “wrong place at the wrong time.” And really, would that surprise anyone at this point? That Trump saw a “bigger fish” and jumped at the hook rather than waiting until the two men were separated to go after the intended target?
Good morning to all from the flu-ridden lizard in the Middle East. What have I missed?
Oh.
Oh no.
Oh hell no.
JFC.
Suleimani wasn’t a bad guy.
He was a VERY bad guy: Khomenei’s beloved right-hand man responsible for thousands of deaths worldwide, including hundreds of Americans & Israelis. And yet even the Israelis didn’t risk trying to take him out.
There will be consequences for this.— Disloyal Arch (@Arch_LGF) January 3, 2020
Well, I need to hit the rack. If we’re going to have a war, I need to be rested for it.
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— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) January 3, 2020
“Why are people mad that we just kicked a hornet’s nest? We killed one hornet!” — Ted Cruz
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 3, 2020
Jack seems to be having second thoughts…
Yes, Soleimani did fight ISIS
And the US also created ISIS
Our grand schemes in the Middle East never end up the way we seem to plan
This is why regime change with Iran is such a bad idea— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) January 3, 2020
re: #116 Targetpractice
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You know damn well why people are upset Ted but keep on playing stupid.
re: #118 Targetpractice
Jack seems to be having second thoughts…
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This is the man you forced on us, Jagoff. If Trump’s actions start a war, it’s on your cult.
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Biggest issue for Repubs who are gonna spend the weekend declaring that this was the greatest move by a president in their lives: Most Americans didn’t know who Soleimani was before yesterday, but they do know that they don’t want to go to war with Iran. So the messaging on this is going to be mostly explaining to the American people why they should be thrilled that this guy is dead, but why they shouldn’t worry that his death means war with Iran.
And, as the saying goes, if you’re explaining then you’re losing.
re: #123 Targetpractice
Biggest issue for Repubs who are gonna spend the weekend declaring that this was the greatest move by a president in their lives: Most Americans didn’t know who Soleimani was before yesterday, but they do know that they don’t want to go to war with Iran. So the messaging on this is going to be mostly explaining to the American people why they should be thrilled that this guy is dead, but why they shouldn’t worry that his death means war with Iran.
And, as the saying goes, if you’re explaining then you’re losing.
It’s definitely not going to be an unifying event like Trump and his cronies are gonna want it to be. It was a reckless move that ignored the law and could start something far worse than whatever Soleimani would if he lived.
Finally caught up after a busy New Year’s Eve and Day. I was around US 15 (Frederick) and US 11 (Hagerstown) in Maryland visiting friends. Fortunately, I did not have the excitement Mescalero had. Although there were sufficient crazy drivers and the local constabulary had plenty of ‘paying customers’ by the roadside.
Seems to me that the entire US Embassy takeover episode was aimed at the Iraqi Government much more than at the US. But it looks like we have forced the Iraqi Government hand with our bungling far more than the Iranians did with their subtility.
I just hope that Trump does not get us into the equivalent of the Peloponnesian War. Basically Athens and Sparta were at war. And neither side could really do much to the other. So some politicians in Athens decided to commit most of their army and navy to attack a third party city. And totally bollixed it up. In the process, Athens lost their army, their navy. And shortly thereafter, the war and with it, their future.
re: #91 Anymouse 🌹🎃
Today’s events might explain the sharp increase in gasoline prices when we came back to the hotel from the restaurant this evening.
It looks like going back to Nebraska will cost a lot more than getting to Chicago. Good thing my car gets about 50 mpg.
Iran has threatened shutting the Straits of Hormuz before. If they did that now, there would be an instant economic collapse around the world.
If Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz - and as you noted, they’ve threatened it before - yeah, there would be a pretty much overnight global recession.
re: #126 Dr Lizardo
If Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz - and as you noted, they’ve threatened it before - yeah, there would be a pretty much overnight global recession.
Which could do just as much damage as a conventional war. There’s no way that there isn’t a negative repercussion for our country in the wake of this.
re: #124 HappyWarrior
It’s definitely not going to be an unifying event like Trump and his cronies are gonna want it to be. It was a reckless move that ignored the law and could start something far worse than whatever Soleimani would if he lived.
The “rally ‘round the flag” effect really only ever seems to work in US politics when an outside force acts to injure the nation. Generally that means either the a deliberate attack on the US or its interests or the US being forced into action in order to enforce international law (ex: UN Sec. Resolutions).
Blundering into a war because your ego was bruised and you needed something to make your balls feel big again tends to have the exact opposite effect.
And don’t forget Kim in North Korea too. This is a natural consequence of electing someone profoundly ignorant of global affairs and disdainful of people who understand it.
re: #127 HappyWarrior
Which could do just as much damage as a conventional war. There’s no way that there isn’t a negative repercussion for our country in the wake of this.
Yep. And those negative repercussions could well end up being global.
One thing to consider, if Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz, they will also shut down a good portion of their oil exports. And also Iraqi oil exports. Which will not make those governments more popular.
But this might help Russian oil exports. And help the Russians to pressure on our former allies in Europe and Asia who are dependent upon oil imports.
re: #128 Targetpractice
The “rally ‘round the flag” effect really only ever seems to work in US politics when an outside force acts to injure the nation. Generally that means either the a deliberate attack on the US or its interests or the US being forced into action in order to enforce international law (ex: UN Sec. Resolutions).
Blundering into a war because your ego was bruised and you needed something to make your balls feel big again tends to have the exact opposite effect.
Correct. This isn’t Pearl Harbor or post 9/11. Plus impeachment has allowed a lot of Americans to see how clueless he is about FP.
re: #131 ckkatz
One thing to consider, if Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz, they will also shut down a good portion of their oil exports. And also Iraqi oil exports. Which will not make those governments more popular.
But this might help Russian oil exports. And help the Russians to pressure on our former allies in Europe and Asia who are dependent upon oil imports.
Agh so of course Vlad benefits from this.
re: #129 HappyWarrior
And don’t forget Kim in North Korea too. This is a natural consequence of electing someone profoundly ignorant of global affairs and disdainful of people who understand it.
Yeah, just wait until Kim successfully tests a thermonuclear device - and a successful ICBM to deliver it on (something akin to a Russian SS-18).
re: #130 Dr Lizardo
Yep. And those negative repercussions could well end up being global.
It ain’t good. This year is already exhausting and it’s only the 3rd.
re: #134 Dr Lizardo
Yeah, just wait until Kim successfully tests a thermonuclear device - and a successful ICBM to deliver it on (something akin to a Russian SS-18).
And sigh looks like even more clean up work for the next Democratic President. I’m tired of Democratic Presidents cleaning up Republican messes and dealing with a dishonest opposition.
re: #135 HappyWarrior
re: #136 HappyWarrior
I know it’s unlikely to happen, but I really wanna see the GOP investigated in a public setting - something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Trials.
Of course, the Republicans will scream. But you know what?
Fuck ‘em.
re: #131 ckkatz
One thing to consider, if Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz, they will also shut down a good portion of their oil exports. And also Iraqi oil exports. Which will not make those governments more popular.
But this might help Russian oil exports. And help the Russians to pressure on our former allies in Europe and Asia who are dependent upon oil imports.
An act that would have much the same effect without hurting their own exports would be another attack on Saudi oil fields/refineries, conducted in the same fashion as last time by providing drones/cruise missiles to intermediaries who’ve a beef with the House of Saud. With oil futures already spiking in the wake of Soleimani’s death, any further disruption to oil exports could have a serious knock-on effect to the global economy.
re: #137 Dr Lizardo
I know it’s unlikely to happen, but I really wanna see the GOP investigated in a public setting - something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Trials.
Of course, the Republicans will scream. But you know what?
Fuck ‘em.
The Republican Party more than any political body has harmed this nation the most the past decade and it all was because their asshole base could not accept Obama. I said it as recently as yesterday, Trump doesn’t get anywhere near where he does without Romney’s whistles he made in 2012.
re: #138 Targetpractice
An act that would have much the same effect without hurting their own exports would be another attack on Saudi oil fields/refineries, conducted in the same fashion as last time by providing drones/cruise missiles to intermediaries who’ve a beef with the House of Saud. With oil futures already spiking in the wake of Soleimani’s death, any further disruption to oil exports could have a serious knock-on effect to the global economy.
Very true.
And as you point out, the Iranians did proof of concept testing some months ago on both Saudi oil infrastructure and on Saudi oil tankers.
Edit - cleaned up my writing so that it would actually make sense. Or maybe, at least, a bit more sense.
I’ve never noticed NATO planes on ADS-B tracking before, especially 2 NATO AWACs up at the same time.
re: #140 ckkatz
Very true.
And I have no doubt that you are remembering the Iranian proof of concept testing they did some months ago on both Saudi oil infrastructure and on Saudi oil tankers.
Ayep. Iran has ways of crippling oil exports without a blockade, acts that would be neither overt nor disruptive to their own exports. And higher oil prices means greater revenue from their own exports, which would go towards stabilizing the situation at home.
re: #138 Targetpractice
I remember seeing a fictional docudrama years ago and the flashpoint of a massive Mideast conflict was an attack on a Saudi refinery, one of their really big ones….that refinery was rendered completely inoperable as it had been totally destroyed. In this docudrama, and I forgot the name of it now, gasoline prices in the US skyrocketed to about $7 or $8/gallon within a week or so and naturally, that had a devastating impact on the US (and world) economy.
While the Saudis probably should become familiar with the phrase ETTD (Everything Trump Touches, Dies) I suspect that they will more likely just switch sides. With, or without, the Saudi family.
Well, I’m out.
Sweet Lizard Dreams to all and to all a Good Night!
One thing to watch for…Beau’s t-shirt game is awesome, at least in newer videos.
Rota pic.twitter.com/NxwqhAjvIC
— Manu Gómez (@GDarkconrad) January 3, 2020
re: #143 Dr Lizardo
It was bugging me so I used my Google-Fu powers - it was a 2005 mockumentary called Oil Storm and the attack on the Ras Tanura refinery complex wasn’t what set the plot in motion, but it was a major contributing factor to gas prices getting to around $8/gallon. And while in that mockumentary everything was ultimately resolved (it’s TV, after all), it was noted at the end of the show that the US had gone through an economic shock as great as the 1929 Wall Street Crash, and worse than the 1973 OPEC embargo.
re: #30 jaunte
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
—Isaac Asimov, 100 years old today
I think a lot of it arises from a certain intellectual and cultural/scientific inferiority complex directed at Europe, which was the undisputed world leader until the 20th century.
The notion behind this anti-intellectualism was that although we were a bit more rustic and uncultivated, we were not as effete and decadent as those Euroweenies.
re: #148 Dr Lizardo
the attack on the Ras Tanura refinery complex wasn’t what set the plot in motion, but it was a major contributing factor to gas prices getting to around $8/gallon.
Oops. It was actually $9.29/gallon at the height of the fictional crisis - which would pretty much be game over the US economy.
re: #126 Dr Lizardo
If Iran shuts down the Straits of Hormuz - and as you noted, they’ve threatened it before - yeah, there would be a pretty much overnight global recession.
That is the move I am expecting. Killing Americans would only strengthen Trump’s standing, but making them bleed at the gas pump will really make them howl.
re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
That is the move I am expecting. Killing Americans would only strengthen Trump’s standing, but making them bleed at the gas pump will really make them howl.
Either that or an attack big enough to seriously hurt Saudi oil production and/or refining capacity. Of course, that would almost certainly start a war with Saudi Arabia, which Iran would probably like to avoid, so shutting down the Straits of Hormuz, while not painless for Iran either, might be a more palatable solution from their POV.
From a civilization that can’t even unfuck their own world, let alone geoengineer an alien planet.
These theoretical ‘stellar engines’ could hypothetically move the entire solar system https://t.co/VmsPScaDL6 pic.twitter.com/QEbyuEmJBu
— CTV News (@CTVNews) January 3, 2020
In the meantime the pro-Iranian/anti-USA propaganda in Iraq can play up the blatant violations of Iraqi sovereignty over the past couple of weeks. A set of air strikes that the Iraqi governments asked the US to *not* do. And now a drone strike on their capital’s airport that they probably were not even notified about until it happened.
And from some things I read the trends in Iraq were running negatively towards Iran and the militias they supported as interfering too much. Plus I saw at least a few comments that the “attack” on the US embassy had been arranged and carried out in order to provoke an over response by the US and achieve exactly this sort of diplomatic rupture.
And further erosion of the US influence in the Middle East benefits Russia, China, and Iran. Whether the Saudis begin to freak out about this at some point is an interesting point to consider since if the USA draws further back into isolation they don’t have the military power to hold off Iran by themselves and Iraq as a buffer seems to be eroding away as well.
re: #154 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
And further erosion of the US influence in the Middle East benefits Russia, China, and Iran. Whether the Saudis begin to freak out about this at some point is an interesting point to consider since if the USA draws further back into isolation they don’t have the military power to hold off Iran by themselves and Iraq as a buffer seems to be eroding away as well.
Russia and China have little to lose no matter how this all plays out.
re: #154 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Another thing to consider is that the Iranian general was not the only one killed in the attack. The leader of the Shia militia in Iraq also was killed, and here on Czech radio, they said that his power and influence was comparable to that of Iraq’s Prime Minister.
That Shia militia falls under the PMU, which is officially a branch of the Iraqi security forces; the US attacked not only Iran but Iraq as well. From what I’m hearing on Czech news, the Iraqi government is rumored to be convening in order to draft a bill to demand that the US get the fuck out of their country.
re: #156 Dr Lizardo
Another thing to consider is that the Iranian general was not the only one killed in the attack. The leader of the Shia militia in Iraq also was killed, and here on Czech radio, they said that his power and influence was comparable to that of Iraq’s Prime Minister.
That Shia militia falls under the PMU, which is officially a branch of the Iraqi security forces; the US attacked not only Iran but Iraq as well. From what I’m hearing on Czech news, the Iraqi government is rumored to be convening in order to draft a bill to demand that the US get the fuck out of their country.
Yep. And if that happens things get much easier for Iranian influence in Iraq. And their proxies are that much closer to having a direct border with Saudi Arabia.
re: #157 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Yep. And if that happens things get much easier for Iranian influence in Iraq. And their proxies are that much closer to having a direct border with Saudi Arabia.
And the Saudis (the Nervous Nellies of the Middle East, as P.J. O’Rourke once called them) will be in full-on freakout mode. Standing on their own, I frankly wouldn’t really give the Saudis much of a chance against Iran…look at the difficulties they’re facing in Yemen, FFS. They come across as utterly hapless.
re: #158 Dr Lizardo
And the Saudis (the Nervous Nellies of the Middle East, as P.J. O’Rourke once called them) will be in full-on freakout mode. Standing on their own, I frankly wouldn’t really give the Saudis much of a chance against Iran…look at the difficulties they’re facing in Yemen, FFS. They come across as utterly hapless.
The House of Saud is a feudal Monarchy that needs to be replaced, but it will lead to a massive clusterfuck and economic/political shock to the US.
re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
The House of Saud is a feudal Monarchy that needs to be replaced, but it will lead to a massive clusterfuck and economic/political shock to the US.
Yemen has pretty much been a Saudi/Iranian proxy war for decades. And underlying Iran is a feudal theocracy that I’m pretty sure would want to roll things back to the 11th century if they could. Though they are not monolithic in that regards and the mullahs to a certain degree have to constantly watch the pot of their own citizenry to prevent it from boiling over.
re: #160 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Yemen has pretty much been a Saudi/Iranian proxy war for decades. And underlying Iran is a feudal theocracy that I’m pretty sure would want to roll things back to the 11th century if they could. Though they are not monolithic in that regards and the mullahs to a certain degree have to constantly watch the pot of their own citizenry to prevent it from boiling over.
I see a distinction between Medieval (as in the Iranian mullahs’ view of Islam) and feudal, (as in a ruling royal house). Remember that the US reinstated the Shah, who was feudal but actually western and progressive in many ways, one of the things that sparked such a medieval backlash in Iran.
Be sure to ask any all cultist crowing about the current events if they are ready to sacrifice their children and siblings at the alter of Fat Donny from Queens.
Then ask it again and again.
re: #162 Dave In Austin
Be sure to ask any all cultist crowing about the current events if they are ready to sacrifice their children and siblings at the alter of Fat Donny from Queens.
Then ask it again and again.
Quick, offer a bunch of dark-skinned foreigners a path to US citizenship if they join the military!!!
re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I see a distinction between Medieval (as in the Iranian mullahs’ view of Islam) and feudal, (as in a ruling royal house). Remember that the US reinstated the Shah, who was feudal but actually western and progressive in many ways, one of the things that sparked such a medieval backlash in Iran.
Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a few other countries in that region are caught in a web where they want to reject western thought, technology, and any foreign influence (or presence in some cases) in order to maintain cultural and tribal controls. However, they are beholden to marketing/trading with the west (or foreigners in general) since they need hard currency income to prop up their own economies and power structures. In addition some have ideas of gaining at least regional power status (like the Shah of Iran wanted.)
Many of these countries had societal and cultural issues while under Ottoman control. And the post-WW1 British and French interference, exploitation for oil concessions, and use as proxies for the Cold War has done little to improve things in the last century plus.
Well, I’d imagine most of us here at LGF saw this coming a mile away.
The leader of Iran-backed militia Hizbollah in Lebanon has issued a call to “resistance fighters” around the world to punish those responsibility for the killing of top Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani.
Hassan Nasrallah, in a speech delivered on Friday morning, said he would “continue on the path” of Soleimani, who headed the external operations Quds Force for the Revolutionary Guard Corp.
“Meting out the appropriate punishment to these criminal assassins… will be the responsibility and task of all resistance fighters worldwide,” he said.
Today we learned two things from the Pentagon:
1. They told Trump withholding aid from Ukraine for political reasons was illegal and he did it anyways.
2. They made clear to us Trump ordered them to start the war with Iran.
Trump has commented on neither.— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) January 3, 2020
re: #166 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
The Pentagon subtly throwing Trump under the bus. Except Trump’s not smart enough to see it.
Two days ago. https://t.co/TSFzI4HW0p
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) January 3, 2020
She Warned Us. pic.twitter.com/bzGwv5SOUY
— Cole (@ColeAlderman) January 3, 2020
Biden’s response
New from Joe Biden: “We could be on the brink of a major conflict across the Middle East.” pic.twitter.com/zBiBDWoNMf
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) January 3, 2020
I made some delicious molasses cookies for today. I didn’t know that they made motion detecting LED lights! I bought two and now the cats will probably freak out every time the light comes on in the laundry room where their litter boxes are.
Note: 10 hours ago
This would be the 75th Ranger Regiment deploying.#Iraq #Iran https://t.co/R1Mq7vKHse
— Petri Mäkelä (@pmakela1) January 3, 2020
Straight from the horse’s, uh, mouth:
There’s also a vidhttps://t.co/x8l9qm9ou5
— Ubi Frank (@Ubi_Frank) January 3, 2020
re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Everyone knows you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
re: #174 Shropshire Slasher
Everyone knows you don’t negotiate with terrorists.
But they might need a hotel or condo development?
I heard this interview on Morning Joe earlier. Jesus. I feel sick.
Conservative host Hugh Hewitt stumped Trump with a question about Iran’s special Quds Force: http://t.co/KTSAR97q9J pic.twitter.com/Qtd3I6Bqoi
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 4, 2015
re: #86 Citizen K
It’s just amazing how many people I see taking the position of ‘But a bad guy died, and that’s that, didn’t he do the world a favor?’, like the very fucking concept of diplomacy is so alien to them that it simply doesn’t exist. Which, I’m not sure is all that much better than the overt contempt for diplomacy the maladministration has.
Will they think that way when Iran assassinates tRump because of the same reasons?
re: #24 William Lewis
The corvidae - crows - are bright birds. Perhaps a heat adapted version of them will be the next species that the Lord tries sentience with…
I’m going with heat-adapted cats. If they could just learn how to tip 20% to waitstaff, they’d already be fully in control.
Right. And Saddam had WMDs and assisted on 9/11. Sure. https://t.co/e1zDOabI3O
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) January 3, 2020
Several Iraqis were also killed. The two SUVs were hit by Hellfires right in front of the airport entrance.
Report that FOUR senior members of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard (elite military force) were killed along with Soleimani in US strike https://t.co/faNubFgioZ
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) January 3, 2020
[dr manhattan voice] It is 2003. I am listening to Ari Fleischer explain that the Middle Eastern country we’re going to war with will greet us as liberators.
It is 2020. I am listening to Ari Fleischer…etc, etchttps://t.co/Q5sSIBvy0E— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) January 3, 2020
flower showers!
“Having now placed you in great damger, good luck. You’re on your own. We’re closed.” https://t.co/MCwIKP7RYZ
— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 3, 2020
The Gang That Couldn’t Lie Straight:
Note how Graham stating he was briefed prior to operation ALSO suggests type of action requires a president to get Congressional authorization.
Graham: was response to Dec. attack that killed American
U.S. Constitution: not an imminent threat so POTUS must get Congress approval https://t.co/48ITomUUws— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) January 3, 2020
re: #132 HappyWarrior
Correct. This isn’t Pearl Harbor or post 9/11. Plus impeachment has allowed a lot of Americans to see how clueless he is about FP.
Impeachment didn’t demonstrate that Trump was clueless about FP — but that he was willing to use it to benefit himself. Indeed, he has successfully convinced tens of millions that Biden was corrupt; he has Benghazi’ed his leading opponent.
re: #181 Targetpractice
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Well, seems history has lost its stutter and is truly repeating verbatim.
re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter
He’s pretty much only convinced the people he could convince to down a bottle of antifreeze that Biden is corrupt.
re: #139 HappyWarrior
The Republican Party more than any political body has harmed this nation the most the past decade and it all was because their asshole base could not accept Obama. I said it as recently as yesterday, Trump doesn’t get anywhere near where he does without Romney’s whistles he made in 2012.
It wasn’t the base that forced McConnell to decide to obstruct everything Obama did from the day he took office — it wasn’t the base that forced Congressional Republicans to refuse to support the ACA, it wasn’t the base that stopped the nomination of Merrick Garland. With the help of Fox, the GOP created this malevolent, racist base and now is subject to its demands. Except is there any evidence that the party hierarchy objects to this base and its demands?
re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I see a distinction between Medieval (as in the Iranian mullahs’ view of Islam) and feudal, (as in a ruling royal house). Remember that the US reinstated the Shah, who was feudal but actually western and progressive in many ways, one of the things that sparked such a medieval backlash in Iran.
It wasn’t that the US reinstated the Shah, it was that Iran had a democratically elected government which we overthrew at the behest of BP. Who knows how they would have evolved if we hadn’t intervened?
.JPG)
re: #188 Weaselone
He’s pretty much only convinced the people he could convince to down a bottle of antifreeze that Biden is corrupt.
And those people were enough to get him elected in 2016. Of course a war isn’t necessarily good for the stock market so maybe this conflict will actually help with removing Trump from office.
Man, John Bolton is gotta be BUMMED that we’re finally going to war with Iran, his lifelong dream, and he’s gonna miss it.
Tough break, Bro.— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) January 3, 2020
More on France stabbing attack: man attacked 3 people in a park (apparently randomly) and was then shot and “neutralized” by police. One of the victims is apparently dead, according to this report. https://t.co/Xikteih5yF
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) January 3, 2020
Greets and saluts from the foggy and damp NYC metro area. While the Aussies fight devastating wildfires that are scorching so much of their continent, Trump’s looking to start an entirely new war that would devastate much of the Middle East.
Taking out an IRGC commander in Baghdad isn’t good strategically even if tactically it seems like a win. No one was there to tell him that this wouldn’t be a good idea. It’s not like al Qaeda or ISIS where there’s a limited pool of people who could assume mantle of leadership. IRGC is Iranian military force. This is a nation-state, and Iran knows how to fight asymmetrically. They don’t need to carry out airstrikes. They don’t need to start a shooting war with tanks, though they certainly could do that.
They’ll use tactics that are harder to defend against, and can negate technical advantages for the US. That includes everything from mining the Strait of Hormuz to giving Hizbullah a green light to start another conflict in Lebanon - civil war or war against Israel. Terrorism against soft targets around the world - like targeting a US leader somewhere. Diplomats. Diplomatic facilities.
And then there’s the oil. Blocking the Strait would do that, but so too would attacking Saudi oil fields or processing facilities or drilling platforms or loading facilities.
Guess who benefits from rising oil prices?
Iran to be sure. But so too does Venezuela. Russia too. Russia is more than happy to fuel a conflict that the US can’t win in the region to go along with the ongoing conflicts there.
Then, there’s the nukes. Ours, held by Trump who has shown an itchy trigger finger to use them, but also Iran. Iran has abided by the 6 party deal (JCPOA), but this may result in ending all cooperation and hastening the construction of nukes - as a defensive measure against the US.
None of this was taken into account by Trump. He thinks this is over? He thinks that this was a show of strength? It’s a sign of desperation - anything to deflect from impeachment and thinks war will be the answer?
Things just got a whole lot more dangerous even as Trump has even fewer adults in the room who know what they’re talking about or doing.
re: #193 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
There’s a goddamned tweet for every situation.
US Government-Thanks to the air strike, Americans are safer. Any Americans in Iran or Iraq should flee immediately as it’s not safe to stay there.
The question isn’t whether Solemaini was a bad guy. The questions are:
1. What are the likely consequences of his assassination?
2. Do you trust the Trump administration to have planned for those consequences and to manage what comes next?— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) January 3, 2020
re: #198 Rightwingconspirator
Cognitive dissonance as American foreign policy.
Of course, in the middle of the drums of war with Iran, we learn that Hannity was conspiring with Manafort to pass info along to Trump.
Hannity should have been prosecuted as an accessory and for conspiracy. He wasn’t acting as a journalist. He was acting like a courier in felony conduct.
Let’s say someone is trying to convince you that an opossum should perform brain surgery on your mother, and they provide you with MRI images and a team of experts who unanimously agree she has an aggressive tumor.
This does not change the fact that the opossum can’t do it.— Starfish Who Sold Out Botswana to the French (@IRHotTakes) January 3, 2020
re: #199 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
1. No one in Trumpworld knows or cares. They’ll cheer his death without understanding the consequences of knocking off an Iranian top level commander of the IRGC. It’s the equivalent of someone taking out a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or a US theater commander.
Why does no one in Trumpworld know or care? Because there isn’t anyone advising Trump outside the military who understands anything about the geopolitics of the region. When every solution to Trump looks like a military airstrike, that’s the only thing he cares about. He doesn’t listen to anyone who doesn’t tell him what he wants to hear. He tunes out everyone else.
2. There is no contingency plan and no next steps, because Trump can’t think that far.
See 1.
Of course, none of this stops the Trumpist cult members from claiming that Trump’s playing 10D chess while everyone else can’t see what Trump’s done. All these trolls and bots apparently got their foreign policy experience at Trump U. Because they certainly haven’t studied ME politics for the past decade, let alone studied/followed ME politics and foreign policy for 25 years.
re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter
Impeachment didn’t demonstrate that Trump was clueless about FP — but that he was willing to use it to benefit himself. Indeed, he has successfully convinced tens of millions that Biden was corrupt; he has Benghazi’ed his leading opponent.
The process definitely did that. I don’t think he’s Benghazied Biden anyone who didn’t hate Biden before.
The stupendous bulkshit is breathtaking in its sheer ignorance.
No one in Iran will see this as a liberating moment for them. If anything, it means Iran will be more free to conduct asymmetrical warfare against the US and our interests overseas. Trump will turn to nukes.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 3, 2020
re: #189 Hecuba’s daughter
It wasn’t the base that forced McConnell to decide to obstruct everything Obama did from the day he took office — it wasn’t the base that forced Congressional Republicans to refuse to support the ACA, it wasn’t the base that stopped the nomination of Merrick Garland. With the help of Fox, the GOP created this malevolent, racist base and now is subject to its demands. Except is there any evidence that the party hierarchy objects to this base and its demands?
It all started with how they responded to Obama’s nomination and election.
The Fox propagandists haven’t met a war they didn’t like and cheer on - knowing that it isn’t them who are going to war. Other folks kids will be going to war.
And not a single one of them understand the consequences of going to war with a country vastly larger than Iraq.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 3, 2020
re: #208 lawhawk
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God I hate these dipshits. They think war is one fucking game. No family member of Geraldo or Kilmeade is gonna be deployed.
O_o
….of PROTESTERS killed in Iran itself. While Iran will never be able to properly admit it, Soleimani was both hated and feared within the country. They are not nearly as saddened as the leaders will let the outside world believe. He should have been taken out many years ago!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 3, 2020
re: #208 lawhawk
Lis Power
@LisPower1
* 53m
Geraldo: Don’t for a minute start cheering this on, what we have done, what we have unleashed —Kilmeade: I will cheer it on. I am elated.
Geraldo: Then you, like Lindsey Graham, have never met a war you didn’t like.
That exchange was amazing. Geraldo was sane and concerned in his pushback to those who are promoting this action as a huge victory.
Fox host suggests that Soleimani’s assassination means that Trump should not be removed following impeachment pic.twitter.com/EPa3ta4Mbe
— Media Matters (@mmfa) January 3, 2020
I told you this was coming. https://t.co/xOM0osdcUM
— Machine Pun Kelly (@KellyScaletta) January 3, 2020
Fox priming their audience to demand that you can’t impeach Trump when there’s a war on.
This is a coordinated propaganda effort to try and protect Trump at all costs from the consequences of his actions while sending our nation into a conflict for which we are unprepared to deal with.
re: #206 lawhawk
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I just saw a tweet from a reporter or academic, can’t recall, who is in Tehran at the moment. He said that there is widespread respect for Soliemani and the mood now runs the spectrum from sadness to anxiety to rage, but not joy.
re: #118 Targetpractice
Jack seems to be having second thoughts…
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And his second thoughts seem just as much stupid hackery as the first.
“The US created ISIS”?.
Though he’s right about “regime change” - the blind squirrel found at least one nut…
Loony
This loony idea has no substance. The Senate cannot “dismiss” articles of impeachment that have been voted by the House but have yet to be filed in the Senate. Neither the Senate rules nor the Constitution permit any such move. https://t.co/VmaMHyWEm3
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) January 2, 2020
Sanity break - Jonah the keyboard player from recent LGF favorites Dirty Loops has a solo record, and it’s pretty fonky.
I can see why Quincy Jones is working with him. He’s the closest thing to Michael Jackson we’ve had since MJ went off to the Great Gig in the Sky.
(Anything to take my mind off the shit stew the world is sinking into this morning.)
re: #213 lawhawk
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Fox priming their audience to demand that you can’t impeach Trump when there’s a war on.
This is a coordinated propaganda effort to try and protect Trump at all costs from the consequences of his actions while sending our nation into a conflict for which we are unprepared to deal with.
Did he do what the articles assert or not?
Anything else is a distraction
I told you this was coming. https://t.co/xOM0osdcUM
— Machine Pun Kelly (@KellyScaletta) January 3, 2020
re: #211 Hecuba’s daughter
That exchange was amazing. Geraldo was sane and concerned in his pushback to those who are promoting this action as a huge victory.
I notice a complete and utter lack of anyone on Fox News who is elated over war with Iran actually lining up at their nearest Army recruitment center- or their families either. It somehow seems they expect others to fight their wars they’ve always dreamed of.
This is the same military and intel community Trump claimed lies and set him up but trusts them when talking about Iran?
The cognitive dissonance by Trump is staggering, but failing to note how Trump is buying what they’re selling re: Iran - and media just regurgitating is worse— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 3, 2020
Thank you for taking responsibility for all this as well as the potential loss of American (or should I say “Republican”) lives lost as the result of said actions.
I’m assuming there is a withdrawal plan in place for whatever the outcome might be?— And the Wind Cries “196 to Nothing!” (@DaveoutofAustin) January 3, 2020
re: #176 Barefoot Grin
Do you think he doesn’t recall that the mistreatment of the Kurds was at his order?
Hold my beer while I see how high I can kick my leg. pic.twitter.com/Wf9X01guQY
— Hold My Beer (@holdmyale) January 3, 2020
re: #221 lawhawk
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President Trump says the Iranian military commander killed by a U.S. airstrike in Iraq was “plotting to kill” many Americans. Trump also said Gen. Qassem Soleimani was responsible for killing and wounding thousands…
He and pompeo both said this
Where’s the proof to back it up?
And why didn’t you brief any democrat?
You told Lindsey and apparently Eric. Not Nancy.
re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
lol. Unstrap the &^%* shoe.
re: #214 Barefoot Grin
I just saw a tweet from a reporter or academic, can’t recall, who is in Tehran at the moment. He said that there is widespread respect for Soliemani and the mood now runs the spectrum from sadness to anxiety to rage, but not joy.
Soliemani had an 82% approval rating in Iran, because they see him as instrumental in the defeat first of Al Qaeda, then more recently ISIS.
And no, killing him will not in any way diminish Iran’s military capabilities. When Patton died, did the US Army fall to pieces?
re: #223 Colère Tueur de Lapin
Do you think he doesn’t recall that the mistreatment of the Kurds was at his order?
I don’t think he has anything but situational ethics. He’s done with the Kurds now.
re: #227 sagehen
All this did was turn everyday Iranians against us.
Hey, not funny - I’m in the mislabeled portion!
dear iran,
dis the map btw pic.twitter.com/2796WILuKs— heri (@herihdz17) January 3, 2020
Imagine being one of the Marines in the Baghdad Embassy right now.
re: #231 Rightwingconspirator
They are living a nightmare.
Good point:
Trump assumed Americans would rally around the flag like they did when we attacked Iraq.
In 2002, Americans were tired of terrorism.
In 2020, Americans are tired of war.— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) January 3, 2020
My grandmother passed away guys. I knew when I was posted in the early morning about this but kept silent because we hadn’t notified my brother and my grand aunt and my grandmother’s other family yet. I really am worried about this. This at the very least is going to be a huge crisis.
re: #222 Dave In Austin
What “hundreds and hundreds” of Americans has Soleimeni killed?
re: #234 HappyWarrior
My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. May you be comforted by the memories and good times you shared with her. Take care of yourself and your family.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
My grandmother passed away guys. I knew when I was posted in the early morning about this but kept silent because we hadn’t notified my brother and my grand aunt and my grandmother’s other family yet. I really am worried about this. This at the very least is going to be a huge crisis.
So sorry to hear this, HW. My condolences to you and your family for this loss. May your grandma R.I.P.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
I am sorry to hear of your loss. You and your family are in my prayers.
{{HW}}
re: #234 HappyWarrior
My grandmother passed away guys. I knew when I was posted in the early morning about this but kept silent because we hadn’t notified my brother and my grand aunt and my grandmother’s other family yet. I really am worried about this. This at the very least is going to be a huge crisis.
My condolences.
Part of his wiki page:
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Ryan Crocker, a senior State Department official in the United States, flew to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats who were under the direction of Soleimani with the purpose of collaborating to destroy the Taliban, which had targeted Shia Afghanis. This collaboration was instrumental in defining the targets of bombing operations in Afghanistan and in capturing key Al-Qaeda operatives, but abruptly ended in January 2002, when President George W. Bush named Iran as part of the “Axis of evil” in his State of the Union address.
Thanks everyone. It’s definitely tough. A whole new chapter is about to begin it seems like and I’m trying to keep optimistic because my Grandma did have a good and long life but I selfishly wanted to see her see the end of this madness. She was aware and happy to know Trump was impeached before Christmas. I think she’s probably why I became a Democratic supporter in the first place. She never forgot where she came from.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
It hurts to lose family, so sorry for your pain and loss.
re: #242 Rightwingconspirator
It hurts to lose family, so sorry for your pain and loss.
It doesn’t matter how old you get. It never gets easier.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
My grandmother passed away guys. I knew when I was posted in the early morning about this but kept silent because we hadn’t notified my brother and my grand aunt and my grandmother’s other family yet. I really am worried about this. This at the very least is going to be a huge crisis.
My deepest sympathy to you and your family. May you be comforted by your memories of your times together.
re: #233 Interesting Times
Good point:
We were attacked here in 2001. Whatever has been happening in Iraq is happening not in America.
re: #240 sagehen
Part of his wiki page:
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Ryan Crocker, a senior State Department official in the United States, flew to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats who were under the direction of Soleimani with the purpose of collaborating to destroy the Taliban, which had targeted Shia Afghanis. This collaboration was instrumental in defining the targets of bombing operations in Afghanistan and in capturing key Al-Qaeda operatives, but abruptly ended in January 2002, when President George W. Bush named Iran as part of the “Axis of evil” in his State of the Union address.
The guy was obviously bad news but at the same time, we killed a high ranking general of a military we are not at declared war with. We also potentially turned Iraq into the Balkans of the 2020’s which is something I feared when we invaded seventeen years ago.
re: #240 sagehen
Part of his wiki page:
Following the September 11 attacks in 2001, Ryan Crocker, a senior State Department official in the United States, flew to Geneva to meet with Iranian diplomats who were under the direction of Soleimani with the purpose of collaborating to destroy the Taliban, which had targeted Shia Afghanis. This collaboration was instrumental in defining the targets of bombing operations in Afghanistan and in capturing key Al-Qaeda operatives, but abruptly ended in January 2002, when President George W. Bush named Iran as part of the “Axis of evil” in his State of the Union address.
Abba Eban once said that the Palestinians “never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity”. It certainly seems the same is true of our relationship with Iran, especially when Republicans are in charge.
What incentive does Iran have to hit back anywhere but here on US shores?
Nothing.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
My grandmother passed away guys. I knew when I was posted in the early morning about this but kept silent because we hadn’t notified my brother and my grand aunt and my grandmother’s other family yet. I really am worried about this. This at the very least is going to be a huge crisis.
Please accept my condolences on the loss of someone who meant so much to you, HW.
re: #247 Hecuba’s daughter
Upding for Abba Eban. I have not heard him quoted in a long time.
en.wikipedia.org
Well, what a great fucking way to start the new year. A few thoughts on this:
- It seems only certain Republicans and NO Democrats were briefed on this strike. Totally on brand for the Trump Admin but totally NOT cool for National Security.
- It’s already starting, but expect the RWNJs to start beating the “We must support the President in wartime!” drum even harder in the coming days.
- Just a friendly reminder that Trump has, in the past, used very strong language to imply he would be in favor of a potential nuclear strike against an enemy nation.
- And finally, I really question the American appetite for war at this time. It’s 2020, we’re almost 19 years out from 9/11 and the beginning of the “War on Terror”. If you do the math, that means we have adults walking around that have only seen perpetual war in Afghanistan and Iraq their ENTIRE LIVES. We still haven’t really gotten those countries stabilized and now we’re deciding to try our luck in Iran? Good fucking grief.
- We are almost 16 years removed from the Iraq War and you can expect all the stupid fucking arguments that led us into that one to rear their ugly head once more. We can not let these warmongers pull the wool over our eyes AGAIN.
re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
What incentive does Iran have to hit back anywhere but here on US shores?
Nothing.
Iran will fight asymmetrically. They don’t have to hit us domestically. They can hit a HVT anywhere in the world.
Imagine if they fired salvos of missiles at one of our carrier task forces, hitting one of the carriers. That’s a direct military on military engagement, and Iran would end up worse for it.
But they could carry out sabotage/terror attacks against diplomatic facilities, assassinate key American diplomats. Force shuttering of diplomatic facilities because of security risks. Start war in Lebanon and drag Syria and Israel into it. Chaos. Trump doesn’t have a plan for any of it. But that’s how asymmetrical warfare works. We can fight and beat those engaging in a straight up military engagement, but everyone also knows that - so they’ll fight in different ways. Heck, mining the Strait of Hormuz would be effective and costly - driving up oil prices (something the Saudis, Russians, and others would benefit from, though it would likely cause a recession).
None of this would get communicated to Trump because he doesn’t listen to those who tell him what he needs to hear.
re: #252 lawhawk
If he heard it, it wouldn’t mean anything to him, because if it doesn’t seem to benefit him in the immediate future, he doesn’t perceive it. Can’t perceive it, in his pathology.
re: #252 lawhawk
Iran will fight asymmetrically. They don’t have to hit us domestically. They can hit a HVT anywhere in the world.
Imagine if they fired salvos of missiles at one of our carrier task forces, hitting one of the carriers. That’s a direct military on military engagement, and Iran would end up worse for it.
But they could carry out sabotage/terror attacks against diplomatic facilities, assassinate key American diplomats. Force shuttering of diplomatic facilities because of security risks. Start war in Lebanon and drag Syria and Israel into it. Chaos. Trump doesn’t have a plan for any of it. But that’s how asymmetrical warfare works. We can fight and beat those engaging in a straight up military engagement, but everyone also knows that - so they’ll fight in different ways. Heck, mining the Strait of Hormuz would be effective and costly - driving up oil prices (something the Saudis, Russians, and others would benefit from, though it would likely cause a recession).
None of this would get communicated to Trump because he doesn’t listen to those who tell him what he needs to hear.
re: #252 lawhawk
Iran will fight asymmetrically. They don’t have to hit us domestically. They can hit a HVT anywhere in the world.
Imagine if they fired salvos of missiles at one of our carrier task forces, hitting one of the carriers. That’s a direct military on military engagement, and Iran would end up worse for it.
But they could carry out sabotage/terror attacks against diplomatic facilities, assassinate key American diplomats. Force shuttering of diplomatic facilities because of security risks. Start war in Lebanon and drag Syria and Israel into it. Chaos. Trump doesn’t have a plan for any of it. But that’s how asymmetrical warfare works. We can fight and beat those engaging in a straight up military engagement, but everyone also knows that - so they’ll fight in different ways. Heck, mining the Strait of Hormuz would be effective and costly - driving up oil prices (something the Saudis, Russians, and others would benefit from, though it would likely cause a recession).
None of this would get communicated to Trump because he doesn’t listen to those who tell him what he needs to hear.
It gives me so much dread thinking about it.
re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg
Well, what a great fucking way to start the new year. A few thoughts on this:
- It seems only certain Republicans and NO Democrats were briefed on this strike. Totally on brand for the Trump Admin but totally NOT cool for National Security.
- It’s already starting, but expect the RWNJs to start beating the “We must support the President in wartime!” drum even harder in the coming days.
- Just a friendly reminder that Trump has, in the past, used very strong language to imply he would be in favor of a potential nuclear strike against an enemy nation.
- And finally, I really question the American appetite for war at this time. It’s 2020, we’re almost 19 years out from 9/11 and the beginning of the “War on Terror”. If you do the math, that means we have adults walking around that have only seen perpetual war in Afghanistan and Iraq their ENTIRE LIVES. We still haven’t really gotten those countries stabilized and now we’re deciding to try our luck in Iran? Good fucking grief.
- We are almost 16 years removed from the Iraq War and you can expect all the stupid fucking arguments that led us into that one to rear their ugly head once more. We can not let these warmongers pull the wool over our eyes AGAIN.
If it comes out that his fucking son knew before Pelosi, people should demand another impeachment. Or hell even Graham. Who the fuck also knew before the Dem leadership? Putin?
A little bit of self promotion. I bought myself a new solar collection battery yesterday. Here is my review of the item: littlegreenfootballs.com
Trump’s starting a war with Iran, and has time to plug yet another book he hasn’t read.
Just a normal Friday.
So, between starting a war with a country you can’t find on a map, you’re plugging a book?
You can’t be bothered to pay attention to daily briefings more than a page in length.
This is insanity defined.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 3, 2020
re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg
- And finally, I really question the American appetite for war at this time. It’s 2020, we’re almost 19 years out from 9/11 and the beginning of the “War on Terror”. If you do the math, that means we have adults walking around that have only seen perpetual war in Afghanistan and Iraq their ENTIRE LIVES. We still haven’t really gotten those countries stabilized and now we’re deciding to try our luck in Iran? Good fucking grief.
People magazine every few years does an update on kids who were either born on 9/11, or whose moms were pregnant when their dads died in the towers and they were born shortly after.
Those kids are in college now.
And Iran’s cyber warfare game is formidable.
26. This past October, Microsoft published this corporate blog about cyber attacks and hacking organized and funded by the Iranian government. https://t.co/rAIXSDOlYo
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) January 3, 2020
We should probably be more concerned about this possibility than outright acts of war, because this country has done very little to lock down critical infrastructure.
What happens when billions of dollars are suddenly stolen from the banking system? Or if the electrical grid in a major city is disabled for a few weeks?
For a society as dependent on online activity as we are, the freakout if people’s internet went away would be enormous.
OTOH, maybe they’d figure out a way to jam Trump’s Twitter account…
re: #257 lawhawk
Trump’s starting a war with Iran, and has time to plug yet another book he hasn’t read.
Just a normal Friday.
I’m sure he’ll be plugging more books soon about how this was the most genius move ever made by a President.
re: #259 makeitstop
And Iran’s cyber warfare game is formidable.
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We should probably be more concerned about this possibility than outright acts of war, because this country has done very little to lock down critical infrastructure.
What happens when billions of dollars are suddenly stolen from the banking system? Or if the electrical grid in a major city is disabled for a few weeks?
For a society as dependent on online activity as we are, the freakout if people’s internet went away would be enormous.
OTOH, maybe they’d figure out a way to jam Trump’s Twitter account…
That or specifically attacking some of his properties would be the way to hurt him most.
re: #258 sagehen
People magazine every few years does an update on kids who were either born on 9/11, or whose moms were pregnant when their dads died in the towers and they were born shortly after.
Those kids are in college now.
Two of my cousins’ children were born in 2000-01. They’re both now in the military. I’m worried like hell for them.
re: #262 HappyWarrior
Two of my cousins’ children were born in 2000-01. They’re both now in the military. I’m worried like hell for them.
A friend of mines 18 year-old son enlisted about six months ago.
Drudge from above the fold:
Trump Rattles Mideast With Risky Strike…
Soleimani ‘torn to shreds’ by missile…
Body identified by ring…
Footage shows aftermath…
Terrorist general killed hundreds of US troops…
Pentagon says was planning new attacks…
Assassination triggers global alarm…
Huge gamble…
Americans urged to depart Iraq immediately…
Westerners ‘should leave Dubai’…
Thousands rally in Iran against ‘crimes’…
Israel braces for retaliation…
Oil prices surge…
Stocks shook…
UPDATES…
We are so much safer, which is why everyone’s bracing for Iran’s military/terror org response from Israel throughout the ME as Westerners are told to leave, seek safety/shelter, etc. Americans urged to leave Iraq.
But Pompeo is saying that we are safer for it? The cognitive dissonance is omnipresent with Trumpworld. And what is Pompeo basing this on? The same intel community that the GOP and Trumpworld ignore when it explicitly states that Russia interfered in the US elections in 2016 and is doing the same in 2020?
You know what really worries me?
With Obama this would still be a crisis, but at least we’d have a steady hand and good diplomat at the wheel.
With Trump? Yeah, we could be totally fucked very quickly.
re: #261 Eclectic Cyborg
That or specifically attacking some of his properties would be the way to hurt him most.
Or maybe they’ve got certain information that would lay bare his treason.
re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg
You know what really worries me?
With Obama this would still be a crisis, but at least we’d have a steady hand and good diplomat at the wheel.
With Trump? Yeah, we could be totally fucked very quickly.
I don’t trust Trump’s diplomatic team at all.
re: #267 makeitstop
Or maybe they’ve got certain information that would lay bare his treason.
I’m sure that Vlad has some dirt on him that he would love to use on him. That goddamn fool is going to find out the hard way that Vlad was never interested in friendship with him or our country.
Actually, that will happen in Nov 2020 by way of our election. https://t.co/nHxwZuyCSk
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) January 3, 2020
Villejuif is French for “Jew City” https://t.co/LedLA3xutc
— Pecan Sticky Buns Overlord (@Pie_Overlord) January 3, 2020
Nothing to see here. Just the President of the United States endorsing the view that the Senate minority leader is in cahoots with the hostile government we just attacked. pic.twitter.com/dsAfqywOsD
— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) January 3, 2020
re: #270 Patricia Kayden
Reducing the world to good guys and bad guys is such 20th century bs. Yeah he was an awful guy. Of course. He also was a powerful man with powerful allies in and outside of his country’s orbit.
re: #264 lawhawk
Drudge from above the fold:
Trump Rattles Mideast With Risky Strike…
Soleimani ‘torn to shreds’ by missile…
Body identified by ring…
Footage shows aftermath…
Terrorist general killed hundreds of US troops…
Pentagon says was planning new attacks…
Assassination triggers global alarm…
Huge gamble…
Americans urged to depart Iraq immediately…
Westerners ‘should leave Dubai’…
Thousands rally in Iran against ‘crimes’…
Israel braces for retaliation…
Oil prices surge…
Stocks shook…
UPDATES…We are so much safer, which is why everyone’s bracing for Iran’s military/terror org response from Israel throughout the ME as Westerners are told to leave, seek safety/shelter, etc. Americans urged to leave Iraq.
But Pompeo is saying that we are safer for it? The cognitive dissonance is omnipresent with Trumpworld. And what is Pompeo basing this on? The same intel community that the GOP and Trumpworld ignore when it explicitly states that Russia interfered in the US elections in 2016 and is doing the same in 2020?
Putin seeks medical attention for erection lasting longer than 4 hours….
re: #272 lawhawk
Time for another impeachment then. If fucking Eric knew and it appears he did, Trump needs to be impeached again. Time to get the trials ready when he goes too.
re: #268 HappyWarrior
I don’t trust Trump’s diplomatic team at all.
He doesn’t have much of one left. Most of the good diplomats we had started heading toward the exits months ago.
Pompeo Derided for Claiming ‘World is Safer’ as His Own State Department Issues Evacuation Warning https://t.co/UNLc3xrUj5 via @mediaite
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 3, 2020
Pompeo also claims that the intel showed that Soleimani was planning imminent attacks.
Bulkshit. Let’s see that evidence and intel. They’re buying the same intel from the same intel community they repeatedly ignore when they say Russia influenced the 2016 election and was interfering in our 2020 election? It’s all cognitive dissonance all the time from Trumpworld.
re: #276 Eclectic Cyborg
He doesn’t have much of one left. Most of the good diplomats we had started heading toward the exits months ago.
Yeah we had diplomats and now we have “diplomats” like Rudy, Jared, and Sondland. People who are where they are not because of great knowledge of the world but because they kiss his ass.
The Republicans see the Democrats as second class citizens within government and therefore not worthy of being treated with respect, dignity or recognized as equals.
Tulsi, GG, Jill and a host of others get their talking points…..
OMFG. The Kremlin is claiming that US intelligence services “took advantage of” and “framed” Trump, “who did not fully understand the importance of Soleimani.” https://t.co/J8hIO0qq4s
— Polly Sigh (@dcpoll) January 3, 2020
Seems to me that if, in fact, he is that pliable and uninformed, then he is manifestly incompetent and should be removed immediately under the 25th Amendment.
re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg
The Republicans see the Democrats as second class citizens within government and therefore not worthy of being treated with respect, dignity or recognized as equals.
They don’t believe in how a presidential Republic works. They do in how Vlad works.
re: #269 HappyWarrior
I’m sure that Vlad has some dirt on him that he would love to use on him. That goddamn fool is going to find out the hard way that Vlad was never interested in friendship with him or our country.
I’ve been thinking about that lately, and here’s what really scares me.
Putin’s plan has always been to lay the US low, and he has a willing participant in Trump. Think of all the prestige and clout we’ve lost since Trump took office. And it looks like that’s still a work in progress.
But think ahead to a time when Putin has degraded this country’s standing and influence to his satisfaction. What if, as a final act, he releases everything he’s got on Trump? Probably a lot of stuff we already know about, but probably also a lot of stuff we don’t know. Maybe murder, maybe bad shit with kids, maybe both. Mob stuff. Epstein stuff. Abortions. All the stuff the Enquirer buried over the years.
The Red Hats would lash out seeing their hero destroyed, and it would likely launch a bloodbath as they take out their rage on the nearest convenient target - media, government, progressive organizations.
And Putin would do it without a second thought. Trump, at the end of the day, means nothing to him.
(Sorry for being such a ray of sunshine this morning. We really are in dangerous times now.)
re: #280 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Tulsi, GG, Jill and a host of others get their talking points…..
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Seems to me that if, in fact, he is that pliable and uninformed, then he is manifestly incompetent and should be removed immediately under the 25th Amendment.
I almost don’t want to know how much dirt they have on him. Our Republic is going to be increasingly isolated in the years to come and it’s on Trump.
re: #282 makeitstop
I’ve been thinking about that lately, and here’s what really scares me.
Putin’s plan has always been to lay the US low, and he has a willing participant in Trump. Think of all the prestige and clout we’ve lost since Trump took office. And it looks like that’s still a work in progress.
But think ahead to a time when Putin has degraded this country’s standing and influence to his satisfaction. What if, as a final act, he releases everything he’s got on Trump? Probably a lot of stuff we already know about, but probably also a lot of stuff we don’t know. Maybe murder, maybe bad shit with kids, maybe both. Mob stuff. Epstein stuff. Abortions. All the stuff the Enquirer buried over the years.
The Red Hats would lash out seeing their hero destroyed, and it would likely launch a bloodbath as they take out their rage on the nearest convenient target - media, government, progressive organizations.
And Putin would do it without a second thought. Trump, at the end of the day, means nothing to him.
(Sorry for being such a ray of sunshine this morning. We really are in dangerous times now.)
No I agree completely. What we’ve been trying to say for years now is Vlad isn’t doing what he does because he truly likes Trump. He has a willing pawn in Trump that he can use to stir up instability in his nation’s greatest rival. He couldn’t do this with Obama and Bush. And he wouldn’t with Clinton either.
re: #277 lawhawk
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Pompeo also claims that the intel showed that Soleimani was planning imminent attacks.
Bulkshit. Let’s see that evidence and intel. They’re buying the same intel from the same intel community they repeatedly ignore when they say Russia influenced the 2016 election and was interfering in our 2020 election? It’s all cognitive dissonance all the time from Trumpworld.
I think they have photo’s of aluminium tubes around his office. And I also heard he was throwing babies out of incubators onto the floor. And he shot the archduke.
re: #261 Eclectic Cyborg
I don’t know….if they did something like attack Trump Tower in NYC, shit, Trump would probably order a nuke strike against Tehran or something equally batshit insane.
re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg
You know what really worries me?
With Obama this would still be a crisis, but at least we’d have a steady hand and good diplomat at the wheel.
With Trump? Yeah, we could be totally fucked very quickly.
Obama would have continued with the nuclear deal. He wouldn’t have killed Soleimani. We wouldn’t be anywhere near this situation.
some strategy maybe
“Senate Democrats are expected to almost unanimously declare President Trump guilty at the end of his impeachment trial. But senators across the party’s spectrum insist they haven’t made up their mind,” Politico reports.
“It’s a bid to entice a handful of Senate Republicans to join their push for new documents and witnesses involved in the president’s Ukraine scandal, particularly those who have expressed dismay with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s vow to coordinate closely with the White House.”
re: #234 HappyWarrior
I’m so sorry. ((((hugs))))
Pompeo just said “Americans in the region are much safer today”.
That’s obviously not true. We are immediately evacuating all Americans from Iraq.
At this perilous moment, the Administrarion must be truthful about what they did and the consequences.
This isn’t a good start. https://t.co/MLcC6wqXZn— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) January 3, 2020
re: #277 lawhawk
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Pompeo also claims that the intel showed that Soleimani was planning imminent attacks.
Yep, seems legit. Just like Saddam had all those WMDs right?
re: #287 Belafon
Obama would have continued with the nuclear deal. He wouldn’t have killed Soleimani. We wouldn’t be anywhere near this situation.
Oh, no doubt but I’m saying even if we somehow did end up near it with him, I’d feel way more confident in his ability to handle it than I am in Trumps.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
{{{HW}}}
I’m sure other will say his far more eloquently, but here goes:
Dear Susan Sarandon!
Fuck you, you stupid twat. Seriously.
Fuck.
You.
Signed,
All the American soldiers who are about to die
re: #234 HappyWarrior
Hugs and condolences to you, bro. My grandmother turns 93 and while she is in decent health for her age, I know her time draws ever closer. It’s going to hit me hard. The house she now lives in has been in my family for 60 years and I’m confident mom will sell it once Granny passes. I wish I could stop her but unfortunately she is the primary heir and it’s out of my hands.
I love that house. So many memories there. I can go there and parts of it look the same as they did in 1988. It’s like a family time capsule. Gonna kill me when it’s gone.
Sign here, please.
Reminder… https://t.co/HsoxED2fyA
— Claude Taylor (@TrueFactsStated) January 3, 2020
re: #278 HappyWarrior
Yeah we had diplomats and now we have “diplomats” like Rudy, Jared, and Sondland. People who are where they are not because of great knowledge of the world but because they kiss his ass.
sondland = $1,000,000.00
Just had a nice young guy stop by, canvassing for Bernie. (South Carolina)
I let him know Bernie isn’t my first choice, but I sincerely appreciate this guy being out here doing the work.
re: #282 makeitstop
But think ahead to a time when Putin has degraded this country’s standing and influence to his satisfaction. What if, as a final act, he releases everything he’s got on Trump? Probably a lot of stuff we already know about, but probably also a lot of stuff we don’t know. Maybe murder, maybe bad shit with kids, maybe both. Mob stuff. Epstein stuff. Abortions. All the stuff the Enquirer buried over the years.
The only people who’d believe it would be people who already believe he’s capable of all of it.
His cult would convince themselves that Democrats conspired with Russia to fabricate the evidence. It’ll be more “proof” of how godly he is.
re: #287 Belafon
Obama would have continued with the nuclear deal. He wouldn’t have killed Soleimani. We wouldn’t be anywhere near this situation.
that’s the point:
from 20 chess moves ago
which begs the question when trump executed this move today, what is he not seeing 20 moves down the line again (other than ‘everything’)
re: #300 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
that’s the point:
from 20 chess moves ago
which begs the question when trump executed this move today, what is he not seeing 20 moves down the line again (other than ‘everything’)
But I’ve got Trumpists saying that he’s playing 10D chess and we can’t see what is happening.
Really? Trump blew up the Iran deal that constrained Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Now, expect them to go all in on the nuclear program because they see no other choice. They see that North Korea is unconstrained and can push Trump around with empty promises of photo ops.
North Korea is more dangerous thanks to Trump.
Iran is more dangerous now. Again, thanks to Trump.
re: #299 sagehen
But think ahead to a time when Putin has degraded this country’s standing and influence to his satisfaction. What if, as a final act, he releases everything he’s got on Trump? Probably a lot of stuff we already know about, but probably also a lot of stuff we don’t know. Maybe murder, maybe bad shit with kids, maybe both. Mob stuff. Epstein stuff. Abortions. All the stuff the Enquirer buried over the years.
The only people who’d believe it would be people who already believe he’s capable of all of it.
His cult would convince themselves that Democrats conspired with Russia to fabricate the evidence. It’ll be more “proof” of how godly he is.
And that’s all part of Putin’s game. Get us to mistrust our institutions and turn to politicians who don’t threaten Putin’s dream of a 21st century dominated by Russia.
re: #299 sagehen
We are going to have to save ourselves. It won’t be up to anyone else.
How the Fox News Cabinet is responding to Soleimani’s killing: They’re going to shape Trump’s worldview and response to a complex situation, and they’re providing jingoistic cheerleading married to claims that critics are siding with the Iranian regime. https://t.co/qADJVxU8w2
— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) January 3, 2020
re: #300 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
that’s the point:
from 20 chess moves ago
which begs the question when trump executed this move today, what is he not seeing 20 moves down the line again (other than ‘everything’)
Nobody is seeing anything 20 moves from now, because killing Soleimani is going to have all sorts of second and third order blowback that we can’t predict. And I’m getting tired of seeing that This Is Good News For John McCain Vladimir Putin, because a lot of things can happen. Iran and Russia are sort-of allies, and if Iran perceives that Russia is just sitting around enjoying the situation, Iran can retaliate on Russia as well.
In much of the Arab world, and even in Iran, Qassem Soleimani was feared, and his death has been greeted with elation, @KimGhattas writes. https://t.co/CxPgZMtZd5
— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) January 3, 2020
re: #301 lawhawk
Iran would be foolish to not pursue nuclear weapons at this point - let’s be honest, it’s the reason we haven’t attacked North Korea. We don’t want to see Seoul go up in a mushroom cloud.
re: #304 The Pie Overlord!
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A bunch of chickenshits who have no idea what war really is.
re: #301 lawhawk
But I’ve got Trumpists saying that he’s playing 10D chess and we can’t see what is happening.
Really? Trump blew up the Iran deal that constrained Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Now, expect them to go all in on the nuclear program because they see no other choice. They see that North Korea is unconstrained and can push Trump around with empty promises of photo ops.
North Korea is more dangerous thanks to Trump.
Iran is more dangerous now. Again, thanks to Trump.
then why didnt he and his team see this way back when?
get prepared
gear up
etc
//
after all, everybody else knew what was going to happen eventually after we pulled out of the deal - maybe not specifically - ie a contractor being killed. but something.
now iran (and many others watching) will never never absolutely ever deal with us again. while trump is one man/president who is clearly not to be trusted, he ruined the future reputation of the entire country no matter who is president
re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg
The Republicans see the Democrats as second class citizens within government and therefore not worthy of being treated with respect, dignity or recognized as equals.
And the courts appear to be doing the same. No way would Democrats get to ignore subpoenas issues by a Republican Congress without any consequences whatsoever.
He didn’t even tell Moscow Mitch!
The Speaker of the House was not briefed but seems like Republicans who made it to Mar-a-lago were. https://t.co/wsmwsbAWsR
— Kate Nocera (@KateNocera) January 3, 2020
re: #310 Patricia Kayden
And the courts appear to be doing the same. No way would Democrats get to ignore subpoenas issues by a Republican Congress without any consequences whatsoever.
It’s clear Trump doesn’t think he has a legitimate opposition and he acts accordingly.
re: #311 makeitstop
So who was killed when four American servicemen were murdered in Niger?
re: #311 makeitstop
He didn’t even tell Moscow Mitch!
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So Eric knew but not the Majority Leader of the Senate.
Robert Reich: “And Trump did it without consulting Congress. He has no support from our allies. He has no exit strategy for a war with Iran. America is still bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has no credibility anywhere, with anyone, because he has lied about everything.”
If war is declared, I expect all the “Persian” exile douchebags in LA and DC that unanimously supported Trump and his blanket ban (which included Iran, of course) to be deployed and out in the front lines.
re: #314 HappyWarrior
So Eric knew but not the Majority Leader of the Senate.
Oh #MoscowMitch knew. His pal Putin told him!
re: #314 HappyWarrior
So Eric knew but not the Majority Leader of the Senate.
not only ‘knew’
he hint-tweeted about it two days ago for all to see
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re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹
Oh #MoscowMitch knew. His pal Putin told him!
Where the fuck do we go from here as a country? This isn’t going to end well and I’m feeling the same dread you no doubt did when your son got deployed. I have two cousins who are in the armed forces right now. One wasn’t even a year old when 9/11 happened and the other would be born that December. It never fucking ends.
re: #318 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
not only ‘knew’
he hint-tweeted about it two days ago for all to see
(now deleted)
Yep JFC.
re: #318 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
not only ‘knew’
he hint-tweeted about it two days ago for all to see
(now deleted)
Before you spread this conspiracy that’s already irresponsibly going around: Eric Trump’s deleted tweet very much does NOT show he knew of the Soleimani plans in advance. (I’m not saying I know anything. I’m saying the Eric tweet doesn’t show anything.) https://t.co/3UEJOqGcsa
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 3, 2020
Another Repub congressman with one foot out the door…
😂😂😂haaaaallllpppp😂😂😂oh God😂😂😂😂😂I cant control😂😂😂😂😂my😂😂😂😂😂snort😂😂😂😂laughing …so is Roe 25 or 26…I’ve lost count
Roe Retiring: Congressman won’t seek another term https://t.co/JYHoM5foIH— File411 (@File411) January 3, 2020
re: #315 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
He’s a genius for solving problems by expanding them. Instead of multiple fronts, there’ll be a single one - all the ME nations and South Asia in conflict thanks to Trump dumbassery and ignorance.
re: #322 makeitstop
at the same second!
Oil prices surge after US kills Iran’s top commander in airstrike, Brent crude nears $70 a barrelhttps://t.co/gBctbfSJzh https://t.co/qvMzSzHTUf
— Red T Raccoon (@RedTRaccoon) January 3, 2020
BREAKING: Democrat Jaime Harrison is virtually tied with Trump puppet Lindsey Graham in the latest polling of the Senate race in deep-red South Carolina!
RETWEET if you support Harrison as he fights to beat Graham and take back the U.S. Senate! pic.twitter.com/mvoRTDTYA3— Protect Robert Mueller ✊ (@DisavowTrump20) December 21, 2019
re: #321 The Pie Overlord!
That’s fair enough. I’ve learned to expect the worst with this bunch. That said, that he didn’t tell Pelosi is bad enough.
re: #327 The Pie Overlord!
Having a black man in Strom Thurmond’s old Senate seat would be the best thing ever to happen to South Carolina since someone discovered how to make Shrimp and grits.
This tweet does not prove that Eric Trump was aware of what was going to happen. He seems to be quote-tweeting an announcement of the Marines arriving to protect the US embassy in Baghdad: https://t.co/Hzf01zRS9L The tweet has since been deleted. pic.twitter.com/In1lpYg4GZ
— Jane Lytvynenko 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ (@JaneLytv) January 3, 2020
re: #330 The Pie Overlord!
Good to know. I won’t post him knowing or seeming to know.
The Internet (& especially Twitter) is flooded with fake info now (more than the usual fake info that you see all the time) so BE AWARE. We already got pwn3d by that fucker who spread the out-of-context Biden clip.
re: #329 HappyWarrior
Having a black man in Strom Thurmond’s old Senate seat would be the best thing ever to happen to South Carolina since someone discovered how to make Shrimp and grits.
OR She-Crab Soup with the sherry on the side!
re: #333 Joe Bacon 🌹
OR She-Crab Soup with the sherry on the side!
I could definitely go for some Southern eating right now. I’m just devastated.
re: #332 The Pie Overlord!
The Internet (& especially Twitter) is flooded with fake info (more than the fake info that you see all the time) so BE AWARE. We already got pwn3d by that fucker who spread the out-of-context Biden clip.
I think this right here VB is why I love the community here. We try to get our facts right even if it’s about utterly horrible people like Eric. So Charles and all here, thank you for that.
Do let me know if any one finds out that Mr. Dark Falcon who slandered my son and said he was glad he was killed in Iraq volunteers to go fight for Gawd’s anointed King!
I have been blissfully ignorant of everything going on as I have spent that past couple weeks ignoring nearly all news while on a wonderful staycation and I come back to what sounds like the start of WW 3? Good grief.
re: #336 Joe Bacon 🌹
Do let me know if any one finds out that Mr. Dark Falcon who slandered my son and said he was glad he was killed in Iraq volunteers to go fight for Gawd’s anointed King!
All that shit DF used to say about “honor” used to tick me off since DF really I think had no idea what war does to families like yours. I think that was why my grandpa- Korean War vet hated the war industry complex so much. It wasn’t that he thought they were cowards for not fighting. It was that they had no regard for the well being of the men, women, and children who would be impacted by far and I mean both American families and the families of the countries where we are doing our actions. I think I lean dovish on war and peace in large part because of what he would tell me.
re: #332 The Pie Overlord!
The Internet (& especially Twitter) is flooded with fake info now (more than the usual fake info that you see all the time) so BE AWARE. We already got pwn3d by that fucker who spread the out-of-context Biden clip.
Tons of MAGA bots hard at work, too. Way more than usual, everybody’s threads are being overrrun.
Great thread from Elissa Slotkin
As a former Shia militia analyst who served multiple tours in Iraq and worked at the White House under both Presidents Bush and Obama, and later at the Pentagon, I participated in countless conversations on how to respond to Qassem Soleimani’s violent campaigns across the region.
— Rep. Elissa Slotkin (@RepSlotkin) January 3, 2020
Watch for news being quietly dumped today, because this will be one of the best take out the trash days ever.
— TwoArticleHat (@Popehat) January 3, 2020
re: #311 makeitstop
not to be all language-nazo, but what the fuck “without impunity”?
re: #343 ericblair
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In other news…
BREAKING: Deutsche Bank whistleblower has told the FBI a Russian state-owned bank (VTB) underwrote Trump’s loans.
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) January 3, 2020
Maybe this is what Popehat is referring to.
re: #344 Colère Tueur de Lapin
not to be all language-nazo, but what the fuck “without impunity”?
Drunk tweeting, probably.
I’m waiting for all of the idiots who *couldn’t* vote for Hillary Clinton because they said she’d be a warmonger to step forward with apologies for being dead-ass wrong.
— BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) January 3, 2020
re: #345 makeitstop
In other news…
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Maybe this is what Popehat is referring to.
Daily Kos has the details.
re: #348 plansbandc
Look at these little guys. <3
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Awwww. My gal is being super needy right now. She must have heard me setting up her first heart worm treatment for next week a little bit ago.
re: #345 makeitstop
BREAKING: Deutsche Bank whistleblower has told the FBI a Russian state-owned bank (VTB) underwrote Trump’s loans.
— Kaivan Shroff (@KaivanShroff) January 3, 2020
And that explains pretty much everything.
re: #347 Patricia Kayden
I’m waiting for all of the idiots who *couldn’t* vote for Hillary Clinton because they said she’d be a warmonger to step forward with apologies for being dead-ass wrong.
Would those be the same idiots who cried “don’t try to blackmail me with judges” when we tried to persuade them to change their minds?
Terrifying and true pic.twitter.com/iuQpMA3tss
— Quinn Sutherland (@ReelQuinn) January 3, 2020
re: #353 sagehen
Would those be the same idiots who cried “don’t try to blackmail me with judges” when we tried to persuade them to change their minds?
If those idiots take over the left, I’m going to be pissed.
Also, this…
FBI raids home, office of lobbyist Michael Esposito @DevlinBarrett @bethreinhard @OConnellPostbiz
https://t.co/LyVXNxR5qv— Carol Leonnig (@CarolLeonnig) January 3, 2020
Now watch as CNN beats the war drums as loudly as Fox News. Yes, I’m very cynical about this, for good reason. https://t.co/oVPpmq8ssY
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) January 3, 2020
In case anyone forgot about this:
To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2018
I’m listening to the Carter Family and trying not to cry my eyes out. We saw so much progress in her life and then as it ends, we may be approaching one of the most difficult periods in our country’s history. We don’t have reliable allies like we did in WWII. We don’t have men and women in the WH who care about humanity. And we have quite honestly someone who is a willing pawn of the Kremlin.
re: #361 HappyWarrior
I’m listening to the Carter Family and trying not to cry my eyes out. We saw so much progress in her life and then as it ends, we may be approaching one of the most difficult periods in our country’s history. We don’t have reliable allies like we did in WWII. We don’t have men and women in the WH who care about humanity. And we have quite honestly someone who is a willing pawn of the Kremlin.
Probably because he’s in hock to the Kremlin - up to his combover.
re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg
In case anyone forgot about this:
How the fuck did we go from Obama to this shitbucket? Rhetorical question so please don’t answer. I just feel sick.
re: #362 Dr Lizardo
Probably because he’s in hock to the Kremlin - up to his combover.
Yep just saw the bit about the DB whistlelblower revealing he got his loan from a Russian state owned bank. Goddamn it.
re: #359 Charles Johnson
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A rerun of 2002-2003. CNN once again becomes a full fledged stenographer for the Republican Party.
This guy doesn’t understand swordplay. It ain’t about who’s the biggest and strongest.
Daily Wire host reviews ‘The Witcher’: “No woman can fight with a sword. Zero women can fight with a sword” pic.twitter.com/RJuUoujkAG
— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) January 3, 2020
re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White
This guy doesn’t understand swordplay. It ain’t about who’s the biggest and strongest.
It’s a fucking movie based off of Polish folklore. Oh and you could read about Joan of fucking Arc sometime you incel losers who can’t stand any portrayal of a woman that isn’t submissive to her man.
re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White
This guy doesn’t understand swordplay. It ain’t about who’s the biggest and strongest.
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Somebody never watched any movies made by the Shaw Brothers…
re: #364 HappyWarrior
Yep just saw the bit about the DB whistlelblower revealing he got his loan from a Russian state owned bank. Goddamn it.
He got his loan from DeutscheBank - but VTB bank underwrote the loan. By the way, the main shareholder of VTB is…..the Russian government (60.9% stake).
Quelle surprise.
re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg
In case anyone forgot about this:
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Yeah, that’s my worry: that he will use any excuse to nuke Tehran to send a message to the rest of the world that they better not even think of fucking with the Imperial Trumpian States of America.
re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White
re: #368 HappyWarrior
re: #369 Joe Bacon 🌹
It is obvious that he never heard of the sport of Women’s Fencing.
en.wikipedia.org
.@kathleenparker — who is still employed by the @washingtonpost — wrote this in November 2016. pic.twitter.com/cIjHyNu8Gq
— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) January 3, 2020
re: #370 Dr Lizardo
He got his loan from DeutscheBank - but VTB bank underwrote the loan. By the way, the main shareholder of VTB is…..the Russian government (60.9% stake).
Quelle surprise.
Yeah I saw that. Shit.
re: #248 Rightwingconspirator
What incentive does Iran have to hit back anywhere but here on US shores?
Nothing.
Hit us where we live: in the Straits of Hormuz or the Saudi refineries…that will really make Americans hurt where it is the most sensitive.
re: #372 PhillyPretzel
It is obvious that he never heard of the sport of Women’s Fencing.
en.wikipedia.org
You know who I bet has never fenced a day in his life? Tucker Carlson. Because it would require something other than sticking his head in his ass. I am so sick of these sexist fuckwads.
Simeone calls me illogical
That makes no logical sense.
— Ðeplorable ÐO♏IŊO (@MMLynch01) January 3, 2020
DAily Wire is Tucker right? Or is it Whiplash? If it’s Whiplash, I stand by that too, just stop being sexist pigs and acknowledge that women can be tough and hell after what I went through be braver than men. One of my heroes is my distant kinswoman, Grainne O’Malie. Queen Elizabeth I of England and Mary Queen of Scots gets all the attention in that era but the Pirate Queen held her own pretty good too.
re: #349 Joe Bacon 🌹
I think that entire report is based on a thinly sourced site no one has ever heard of and is returning a 500 error when you click through on the link.
There’s been repeated efforts to verify that Russians ultimately laid out the credit/underwrote Trump business via Deutsche Bank, but never had any conclusive proof.
This is more of the same without actual evidence and paper trail.
re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White
Guess this fucknut never saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, and how Michelle Yeoh owned anyone who came her way.
Saw a gruesome photo of what was apparently Soleimani’s burned, broken and severed hand in the wreckage of the SUV, with his distinctive signet ring clearly visible. Now, I do not object to blowing people apart per se, and I am not going peacenik on you, but I cannot help but think that this kind of thing would be less common if more people understood, or at least acknowledged, what is really happening when we do this. Instead, though, we see people cheering as though it were a sporting event or, at worst, the schoolyard bully getting punched in the nose. Listen to those who have been there, war is truly Hell.
re: #368 HappyWarrior
It’s a fucking movie based off of Polish folklore. Oh and you could read about Joan of fucking Arc sometime you incel losers who can’t stand any portrayal of a woman that isn’t submissive to her man.
Or Queen Bodacia (from whom we get the word “bodacious)
re: #37 GlutenFreeJesus
What a way to push all the younger pro-Western Iranians towards the Mullahs.
Because nothing gets folks rallying around the flag than the US going and killing top Iranian military leader. Was the guy feared? Absolutely. With good reason.
But Iranians will also hear the mullahs say that all their warnings have been proven right - Trump can’t be trusted, they were forced to act and defend themselves, and that they’ll resume their nuclear weapons program because that’s the only way to defend themselves from the Trumpists.
re: #383 lawhawk
Because nothing gets folks rallying around the flag than the US going and killing top Iranian military leader. Was the guy feared? Absolutely. With good reason.
But Iranians will also hear the mullahs say that all their warnings have been proven right - Trump can’t be trusted, they were forced to act and defend themselves, and that they’ll resume their nuclear weapons program because that’s the only way to defend themselves from the Trumpists.
And if our next president is wonderful and trustworthy in every way… the rest of the world will still say “but you’re only one election away from another whackadoo, and we can’t trust you won’t do this again.”
re: #286 Dr Lizardo
I don’t know….if they did something like attack Trump Tower in NYC, shit, Trump would probably order a nuke strike against Tehran or something equally batshit insane.
Sounds like a plot from a Clancy novel. Try to goad the US President into nuking an important site in the Middle East to trigger the global jihad.
Oh wait, isn’t that _Sum Of All Fears_?
re: #385 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Sounds like a plot from a Clancy novel. Try to goad the US President into nuking an important site in the Middle East to trigger the global jihad.
Oh wait, isn’t that _Sum Of All Fears_?
that’s the one where they attacked the Super Bowl?
re: #287 Belafon
Bit like what would have happened after 9/11 if we’d had Gore at the helm rather than the odious Bush. One thing for sure, he wouldn’t have done what was tantamount to attacking Thailand for Pearl Harbor.
And we never would have seen Rump in office. Bush set the bar low enough for him to vault over it. IMHO.
re: #117 Dread Pirate
Interesting. Deer Jet is a Chinese luxury travel airline, the plane is the BBJ version of the Dreamliner. I suppose the UK could have chartered the airplane.
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