Caution, Virtuoso at Work: Pianist Kirill Gerstein: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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March 11, 2020 | Tom Huizenga — The last time pianist Kirill Gerstein was at NPR we gave him a full-size, grand piano to play in a big recording studio. But for this Tiny Desk performance, we scaled him down to our trusty upright. “What will you ask me to play the next time,” he quipped, “a toy piano?”

Even if we had handed him a pint-sized instrument, I’m sure Gerstein could make it sing. Just listen to how Chopin’s lyrical melodies, built from rippling notes and flamboyant runs, flow like a song without words in Gerstein’s agile hands.

The Chopin Waltz, Op. 42 is one of the composer’s hits, but the next two pieces Gerstein offers are rarities. The Berceuse for solo piano was written for Gerstein by Thomas Adès, adapted from his 2016 opera The Exterminating Angel. The work, both brooding and beautiful, receives its premiere recording at the Tiny Desk. Gerstein follows by dusting off a truly neglected – and quirky – Hungarian March by Franz Liszt. To my knowledge it’s been recorded only once.

The 40-year-old pianist, born in Voronezh, Russia, taught himself to play jazz by listening to his parents’ record collection. A chance meeting with vibraphonist Gary Burton landed him a scholarship to study jazz at Boston’s Berklee College of Music. At age 14, Gerstein was the youngest to enroll at the institution.

Although he is among the elite pianists of the classical world (he won the coveted Gilmore Award in 2010), Gerstein’s jazz background is still close to his heart. Which brings us to his lovely-rendered closer: Gershwin’s “Embraceable You,” arranged by the American pianist Earl Wild.

Like all master performers, Gerstein gives you the illusion that he’s making it all up as he goes along, even though the virtuosic transcription is intricately mapped out. And somehow, he makes that upright piano sound nine feet long.

SET LIST
Chopin: “Waltz in A-flat, Op. 42”
Adès: “Berceuse from The Exterminating Angel”
Liszt: “Ungarischer Geschwindsmarsch”
Gershwin-Earl Wild: “Embraceable You”

MUSICIANS
Kirill Gerstein: piano

CREDITS
Producers: Tom Huizenga, Morgan Noelle Smith, Kara Frame; Creative director: Bob Boilen; Audio engineer: Josh Rogosin; Editor: Melany Rochester; Videographers: Kara Frame, Melany Rochester, Shanti Hands; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Executive producer: Lauren Onkey; VP, programming: Anya Grundmann; Photo: Max Posner/NPR

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Belafon  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:08:03pm

washingtonpost.com

Bernie Sanders signaled Wednesday that he was open to ending his presidential run after another round of landslide losses to Joe Biden, and new signs emerged of communication between the two camps as some Democrats hoped for a swift end to a bruising primary.

Sanders campaign officials said the senator from Vermont planned to leave Washington and return home, where he and his wife, Jane, would talk to supporters and determine the future of his presidential run. The campaign also suspended its Facebook ads and, uncharacteristically, made no request for donations in an email to backers updating them on the situation.

Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield said that aides to the two candidates have been in touch regularly to discuss the public health crisis that has gripped the country, disclosing talks that could form the basis of a broader agreement on policies and might make Sanders more comfortable leaving the race.

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:22:44pm

re: #1 Belafon

Please, my Bern. Just go. Join with Joe and get your Talibern to join up.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:24:38pm

Left hanging last:

re: #127 Belafon

If Sanders does bow out, this will go as I predicted: By the time the primary hits my state, there will only be one active candidate.

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BigPapa  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:25:19pm

We need some doggo

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:25:26pm

re: #2 BigPapa

Please, my Bern. Just go. Join with Joe and get your Talibern to join up.

I’m a Bernie hater, but I have no problem with him taking a few more days to quit the race.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:37:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 10:54:16pm

Second case of community spread confirmed in Omaha, which is what triggered the new restrictions across the state.

In Douglas County (which includes Omaha), all bars are ordered closed, schools closed six to eight weeks, and all restaurants are carry-out, drive-through, or delivery only.

The person in question is a man who is forty-six. He is not known to have attended any public events or had contact with others who tested positive. He was in ICU in good condition, mostly coughing. He has been transferred out (but the county public release doesn’t say where).

Three additional cases were confirmed in Douglas County which were travel-related, a married couple in their sixties and another man in his forties.

Omaha Police will enforce the state ten-person limit. They have the option to issue a misdemeanour citation, or break up a group over ten.

The woman who is the first case in the state (a thirty-six year-old woman who picked up the virus in the United Kingdom) is still in critical condition but is considered stable tonight.

There are now twenty-three confirmed cases in Douglas County.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:02:39pm

So last summer, thinking about the cruise departing from Rome, I decided that even if I’d only be there for a day, I had to learn a bit of Italian in case of emergency… and then I got interested. I did NOT learn it so I could read horrifying reports about covid-19 in Italian newspapers, but here we are.

In La Reppublica, aside from the apocalyptic stories, there’s a report — from the Instituto Superiore di Sanità — on the fatalities (a total of 2004, so it’s a few days behind), with details about them. Only 17 of the dead were less than 50, and the five less than 40 (31 -39) were all male, and all with serious pre-existing illnesses.

(So no-one 30 or under.)

Aside from those, the average age of the victims was 80 (83.5 for women, 79.5 for men). 30% of the dead were women, 70% men.

I hope that makes the under-50’s among us breathe a little easier, don’t know if men should worry more or not. (About 11% of Italians are smokers, 37.5% women, but the place where I found those numbers also says that smoking is most prevalent among 25-44-year-olds. On the other hand, there are 75 men over 65 to every 100 women.)

ETA: average age of people who became ill is 63.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:05:55pm

re: #8 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Italy has a much older average age than the USA; as I understand it, they are second behind Japan.

Here in Nebraska almost all of the cases have been under fifty (Millenials and Gen-X).

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:08:35pm

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Italy has a much older average age than the USA; as I understand it, they are second behind Japan.

Here in Nebraska almost all of the cases have been under fifty (Millenials and Gen-X).

That report is on deaths, not all cases.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:13:43pm

re: #10 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

That report is on deaths, not all cases.

Thanks. I missed that for some reason. There have been no deaths here.

The kinds of letters we get in our regional newspaper:

After reading some of the letters of hate and propaganda rhetoric against President Trump in the Star-Herald by the minister Jay Mitchell (Disciples of Christ) and his flock, one must assume they watch CNN and MSNBC in church instead of reading the Bible and singing hymns.

starherald.com (just posted to the Website)

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:17:38pm

re: #11 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Thanks. I missed that for some reason. There have been no deaths here.

The kinds of letters we get in our regional newspaper:

starherald.com (just posted to the Website)

Who is Jay Mitchell and what does he say?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:26:18pm

re: #12 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Who is Jay Mitchell and what does he say?

He is a retired Disciples of Christ minister in Gering, Nebr. who wrote a letter to the paper a few days ago.

He wrote a guest column for the newspaper on Feb. 19. (All opinion columns are by syndicated conservatives such as Star Parker or Jonah Goldberg.)

JAY MITCHELL: The Sad Truth About our President (Goes to the Scottsbluff Star-Herald Opinion page.)

Several people wrote to say the opinion piece was “not balanced.” (I was not aware “balance” was a feature of opinion pieces.)

A wise person once said, “The mind, stretched by a new idea, can never return to its original shape!” another wise person said, “You’re entitled to your own opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts.” “Alternative facts” are not facts!

So, with that in mind, let’s consider the issue of “character”, regarding our President, from a Biblical, factual (as far as Christianity is concerned), point of view. Let’s begin with the 10 commandments (Exodus20):

(more)

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Dread Pirate  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:27:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:31:32pm

re: #14 Dread Pirate

Shame about those ICE raids.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:38:37pm

Got CL’d. Not enough coffee.

From downstairs:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:52:28pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Shame about those ICE raids.

I’m cynical enough to suspect that ICE is just setting traps.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:52:34pm

Pastor convicted of sex crimes is preaching at Jacksonville church, again (WJXT-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.)

He was sentenced to three years in prison in 2009 for molesting two girls. He was also accused in Texas and Oklahoma, but charges were not brought against him in those states.

The church he is working at now is also across the street from a school.

He is exempt from prohibitions against sex offenders working near children due to freedom of religion exceptions.

The Houston Chronicle reported on his previous stint in Texas as a Southern Baptist follower of Paige Patterson. Patterson accused the girls there of making up their stories.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:56:56pm

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹🎃

He is exempt from prohibitions against sex offenders working near children due to freedom of religion exceptions.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 18, 2020 • 11:58:44pm

Also at WJXT from three hours ago:

MIDDLEBURG, Fla. - A 70-year-old man in Clay County has died from the COVID-19 virus, according to Gov. Ron DeSantis and the Florida Department of Health in Clay County.

The patient at Ascension St. Vincent’s was one of four in Clay County who tested positive for coronavirus, according to numbers from the state health department.

(more)

news4jax.com

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:00:49am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:09:35am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:10:00am

Johannes Brahms & Felix Mendelssohn: Clarinet Sonatas (FULL ALBUM)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:12:29am
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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:24:24am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:04am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹🎃

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:39:26am

re: #26 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Well, that’s dead on arrival with Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:41:00am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:42:24am

I’m going to head off to bed.

It’s currently 42°F (6°Commie) here, and starting to sprinkle with fog and partly cloudy. Blizzard warning starts at 6AM Mythical Time.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:45:51am

re: #28 Dread Pirate

Michael Malice, author of the book “The New Right” (he’s a fascist)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:47:45am

Michael Malice (Wikipedia)

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:49:15am

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, that’s dead on arrival with Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul.

But at least (if passed) it will provide an example of Republican obstructionism, and one more campaign theme for the fall.

And yeah, I know that pushing for (what I am assuming are) popular responses to the Coronavirus crisis- I.e., ones that prioritize ordinary folks over the biggest corporations - knowing that they will be blocked or shot down by the GOP Senate may or may not be the most productive process. But if the Asshole Bloc in the Senate is going to derail these proposals, we might as well make them own it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:54:02am

re: #32 Jay C

But at least (if passed) it will provide an example of Republican obstructionism, and one more campaign theme for the fall.

And yeah, I know that pushing for (what I am assuming are) popular responses to the Coronavirus crisis- I.e., ones that prioritize ordinary folks over the biggest corporations - knowing that they will be blocked or shot down by the GOP Senate may or may not be the most productive process. But if the Asshole Bloc in the Senate is going to derail these proposals, we might as well make them own it.

Every bill they block or shoot down, a Democratic campaign advert gets its wings.

G’night, y’all.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:58:48am

re: #27 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Well, that’s dead on arrival with Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul.

Some of it seems too complicated to implement in the short term.

And this idea of sending checks to people immediately whether the $1k as Trump seems to accept, or $2k as Maxine Waters suggests - sure, I’ll take the money. But how will the government find how to send money to every adult? People who don’t submit IRS forms will not be in the IRS database. And the addresses the IRS have for many will be out of date. One can come up with a long list of issues that’s going to be hurdles.

A debt-holiday is probably workable… but does that mean people can just open new credit accounts at will and spend whatever credit said new accounts allow during this period, but not pay it back? Will a debt-holiday lead to lenders just not issuing new debt? If no new mortgages are written, then won’t that pretty much stop any house sales (other than the very rich who buy houses completely with cash.)

And so on.

I wonder if a better approach would be to take a clue from FDR. Why not just tell OPM that the US Gov’t has a job for anyone who has lost wages during this crisis? A massive works project. Surely there’s more than enough deferred repairs to this country, and enough tasks to be done during this crisis, to employ many millions of people. The OPM and US laws already allow for temporary government employment, so this can be implemented immediately.

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Chrysicat  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:59:17am
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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:00:45am

I don’t think Donald Trump would like this being retweeted.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:23:35am

“these shortages you speak of” HOLY FUCK!

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:25:07am

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Some of it seems too complicated to implement in the short term.

And this idea of sending checks to people immediately whether the $1k as Trump seems to accept, or $2k as Maxine Waters suggests - sure, I’ll take the money. But how will the government find how to send money to every adult? People who don’t submit IRS forms will not be in the IRS database. And the addresses the IRS have for many will be out of date. One can come up with a long list of issues that’s going to be hurdles.

I haven’t filed IRS forms in ages. One solution would be for people to apply using a Social Security number to either the IRS or SSA (whichever is given control of the putative money).

A debt-holiday is probably workable… but does that mean people can just open new credit accounts at will and spend whatever credit said new accounts allow during this period, but not pay it back? Will a debt-holiday lead to lenders just not issuing new debt? If no new mortgages are written, then won’t that pretty much stop any house sales (other than the very rich who buy houses completely with cash.)

That’s nice for people with debt. For those of us with no debt, it does nothing for us.

Not all houses are sold to the very rich with all cash. We bought our house with all cash. (That said, it was only $15,000 plus expenses for title insurance and such.)

And so on.

I wonder if a better approach would be to take a clue from FDR. Why not just tell OPM that the US Gov’t has a job for anyone who has lost wages during this crisis? A massive works project. Surely there’s more than enough deferred repairs to this country, and enough tasks to be done during this crisis, to employ many millions of people. The OPM and US laws already allow for temporary government employment, so this can be implemented immediately.

Maybe. I don’t know enough about economics. My understanding of the payment is it’s supposed to be for everyone (even children), to help put money in the economy by giving people money to spend.

Only giving jobs to the able-bodied does not do that.

Moreover, not everyone has a bank account; direct deposits would not work for that reason. Printing 320,000,000 cheques and processing all that would take a lot of paper, time, and work as well.

I imagine any approach would be difficult to implement.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:26:10am

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

Musk is offering to make ventilators. This is his counter-proposal to keep his companies’ doors open at full employment rather than reducing the staff to the maximum allowed gathering size.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:26:44am

Musk is really showing himself to be a monumental fuckwit.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:28:48am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Musk is really showing himself to be a monumental fuckwit.

I think that came when he accused the rescuer in Thailand of being a paedophile.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:30:50am

re: #39 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Musk is offering to make ventilators. This is his counter-proposal to keep his companies’ doors open at full employment rather than reducing the staff to the maximum allowed gathering size.

His profound ignorance of the scale of the pending disaster is bad enough, using it as a bargaining tool to continue cranking out vehicles is utterly despicable. This emergency is all hands on deck yet his first instinct is to buttress the free falling stock price his compensation package is tied to.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:32:26am

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Yes, these newly invented gimmicks are going to take time.

My suggestion - temporary government jobs for anyone who asks, regardless of skill or ability - can be done today. The funds are missing but Congress can pass a funding authorization supplemental bill before the first paychecks are sent.

The President can direct all hiring authorities in the Executive branch to open up as many temporary billets as necessary.

A bonus: if a temporary job exceeds 130 hours per month, then the employee is eligible for Federal Health Insurance benefit, meaning these unemployed get to sign up for a health insurance plan of their choice.

So open up 10 million billets. 20 million billets. As many as needed.

Why hasn’t this been done (at least not since WWII)?

Because it’s a direct path to a socialist economy, and heaven knows, that’s un-American.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:33:45am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:39:36am

Global case count blasted through 220k.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:41:37am

Thread, six tweets.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:48:03am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I had to do a doubletake on that one. After all, if Safeway (Vons) closed up shop, where the fuck would people get food? And what is this Jack Burkman’s game? Is he just an asswipe or Twitter troll or something?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:50:52am

re: #23 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Video

was enjoying the B&M until the ads kicked in…egad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:51:30am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

I had to do a doubletake on that one. After all, if Safeway (Vons) closed up shop, where the fuck would people get food? And what is this Jack Burkman’s game? Is he just an asswipe or Twitter troll or something?

disinformation campaign?

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:51:56am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

I had to do a doubletake on that one. After all, if Safeway (Vons) closed up shop, where the fuck would people get food? And what is this Jack Burkman’s game? Is he just an asswipe or Twitter troll or something?

Jack Burkman works with Jacob Wohl. Burkman is a wealthy Republican funder, lobbyist, podcaster, and conspiracy theorist.
en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:52:39am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Jack Burkman works with Jacob Wohl. Burkman is a wealthy Republican funder, lobbyist, podcaster, and conspiracy theorist.
en.wikipedia.org

sick fucks all

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:54:17am

What passes for breaking news in Morrill County, Nebraska.

New stop sign at 9th and N St. (Goes to the Bridgeport, Nebr. News-Blade if you’re really interested.)

Since I almost never drive through that intersection, I’ll have to make sure I pay attention (most streetcorners in Bridgeport are unsigned).

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:56:52am

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Jack Burkman works with Jacob Wohl. Burkman is a wealthy Republican funder, lobbyist, podcaster, and conspiracy theorist.
en.wikipedia.org

Ah, so IOW, he’s a piece of shit and a failed human being. OK.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:57:14am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

was enjoying the B&M until the ads kicked in…egad.

Youtube ads?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:05:46am

re: #54 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Youtube ads?

yup. I cut and pasted it into youtube so I could pause it easier

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unproven innocence  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:12:45am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹🎃

[Embedded content]

It’s not just a lie. Unless they are 24-hr-a-day stores, OF COURSE they are (almost surely) going to close on Friday. So it’s a damned lie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:14:49am

re: #45 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Global case count blasted through 220k.

Germany over 12K, still nearly doubling every three days

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:19:51am

Last of the night.

Snowdrifts of fifty feet. A blizzard which lasted for months.

From Nebraska Educational Television (4:07)

The Blizzard of 1949 | Nebraska Stories

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:26:00am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Last of the night.

Snowdrifts of fifty feet. A blizzard which lasted for months.

From Nebraska Educational Television (4:07)

[Embedded content]

Video

we will likely be seeing more things like that as the climate goes wacky on us

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:30:46am

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder if a better approach would be to take a clue from FDR. Why not just tell OPM that the US Gov’t has a job for anyone who has lost wages during this crisis? A massive works project. Surely there’s more than enough deferred repairs to this country, and enough tasks to be done during this crisis, to employ many millions of people. The OPM and US laws already allow for temporary government employment, so this can be implemented immediately.

That would have worked for the 2008 crisis; but it’s really not compatible with a lockdown social-distancing flatten-the-curve conditions.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:35:33am

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Some of it seems too complicated to implement in the short term.

And this idea of sending checks to people immediately whether the $1k as Trump seems to accept, or $2k as Maxine Waters suggests - sure, I’ll take the money. But how will the government find how to send money to every adult? People who don’t submit IRS forms will not be in the IRS database. And the addresses the IRS have for many will be out of date. One can come up with a long list of issues that’s going to be hurdles.

A debt-holiday is probably workable… but does that mean people can just open new credit accounts at will and spend whatever credit said new accounts allow during this period, but not pay it back? Will a debt-holiday lead to lenders just not issuing new debt? If no new mortgages are written, then won’t that pretty much stop any house sales (other than the very rich who buy houses completely with cash.)

And so on.

I wonder if a better approach would be to take a clue from FDR. Why not just tell OPM that the US Gov’t has a job for anyone who has lost wages during this crisis? A massive works project. Surely there’s more than enough deferred repairs to this country, and enough tasks to be done during this crisis, to employ many millions of people. The OPM and US laws already allow for temporary government employment, so this can be implemented immediately.

Problem with work projects and such is how do you organize and run them while the country is in a lock-down/quarantine state? And set up the infrastructure to carry them out. It sounds workable as a potential solution for starting to pick up the pieces as the various small businesses collapse and shed workers, but that further down the road and not a solution for a month or two from now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:35:49am

re: #60 sagehen

That would have worked for the 2008 crisis; but it’s really not compatible with a lockdown social-distancing flatten-the-curve conditions.

right now, it is just hand out the cash and let people use it to stave off financial ruin, severance of utilities and eviction.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:41:32am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

right now, it is just hand out the cash and let people use it to stave off financial ruin, severance of utilities and eviction.

IOW, a spread out bail-out to help get an (important!) section of the economy through a bumpy stretch. And employing it at the level where its multiplicative factor in the economy is maximized as well.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:01:55am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yup. I cut and pasted it into youtube so I could pause it easier

I use Adblocker and it blocks the youtube ads for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:04:05am

re: #64 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I use Adblocker and it blocks the youtube ads for me.

aha…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:04:50am

re: #63 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

IOW, a spread out bail-out to help get an (important!) section of the economy through a bumpy stretch. And employing it at the level where its multiplicative factor in the economy is maximized as well.

and just hand it out…no time to means-test every American. Just make it taxable income so that the people who don’t need it as much have to pay some of it back.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:14:45am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and just hand it out…no time to means-test every American. Just make it taxable income so that the people who don’t need it as much have to pay some of it back.

Well then, $1k is not enough, $2k is not enough. Make it $10k and I’m all in.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:18:57am

There are 210M adults in the US. Give each one $10k. That’s $2.1T . That’s not even significant compared to the M0 money supply, but $10k/adult will help many people get by for a few months.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:27:17am

re: #68 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

There are 210M adults in the US. Give each one $10k. That’s $2.1T . That’s not even significant compared to the M0 money supply, but $10k/adult will help many people get by for a few months.

and again, if it is taxable, the ones who have enough can pay it back in taxes and the poor folks can keep it all. and that is not much more than they pumped into the stock market to make it dead-cat bounce before collapsing again.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:30:26am

Here’s the M2 graph from the Fed:

So dumping $2T will make the supply higher, rising it from $16T to $18T. Yes, it’s inflationary. But the employment and liquidity crisis calls for it now.

The long run is clear: the US money and financial system as a whole is on an exponential curve (not unlike an epidemic) that will have to end some day with pre-WWII Germany-type hyper inflation.

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Axolotl  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:32:05am

re: #69 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and again, if it is taxable, the ones who have enough can pay it back in taxes and the poor folks can keep it all. and that is not much more than they pumped into the stock market to make it dead-cat bounce before collapsing again.

This makes a lot of sense. Somewhere I read they were going to make this a tax credit which is really dumb.

Even my republican neighbors think the money should go directly to the people this time.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:36:25am

So Maxine proposes $2k/month/adult. Over the expected 5-month long social distancing measure that does come to $10k. I think the whole amount should be dumped at once, but I suppose some wonks are concerned that the foolish will spend all the money at once on luxuries and still end up in trouble in a month.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:37:49am

re: #72 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So Maxine proposes $2k/month/adult. Over the expected 5-month long social distancing measure that does come to $10k. I think the whole amount should be dumped at once, but I suppose some wonks are concerned that the foolish will spend all the money at once on luxuries and still end up in trouble in a month.

I hate to say it, but given human nature, that is a prudent approach…

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:38:42am

And a good morning to the Lizards.

Cold (40s), rainy, and drinking coffee while waiting for the sun to come up.* Going to do a supply run today; buy gas for the car, and if the supermarket** is not clogged get some groceries to top off the stock and pick up some fresh produce and dairy.

* - Not getting out enough to walk. So combined with my spring cold/allergy thing my sleep schedule is currently badly out of wack.

** - Wegmans went from 24-hour to 7am-10pm hours. I expect they’ll be busier than I want right at 7am, so I will drive past about an hour later and see how crowded they look.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:40:35am

re: #74 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

* - Not getting out enough to walk. So combined with my spring cold/allergy thing my sleep schedule is currently badly out of wack.

weather is fine here, 60-ish and sunny…need to kick my ass out the door.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:43:28am

Where is the Batman? | Batman [4k, 30th Anniversary Edition]

“Who do you trust? I’m giving away free money!”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:45:21am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hate to say it, but given human nature, that is a prudent approach…

The problem is $2k/month is not enough to replace most full time jobs. Yes, it’s more than minimum wage at 40 hours/wk. But minimum wage is a joke these days.

Mnuchin projected 20% unemployment. That’s a lot of lost jobs and not all of them are minimum wage. The median household income in the US is about $62k. Losing such incomes will cause a massive default in mortgages and smaller loans (e.g., car loans).

$2k/month is not enough to keep the economy from the biggest deconstruction since the Great Depression.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:57:48am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and just hand it out…no time to means-test every American. Just make it taxable income so that the people who don’t need it as much have to pay some of it back.

Trying to means-test these handouts runs into the same problem as means-testing Social Security… the administrative costs of that means-testing (and closely examine appeals from people who are near the line and get refused) would outweigh the savings of excluding 5-10% of people who don’t need it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:59:17am

The global death count spent nary a day in the eight thousand range:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:00:12am

re: #77 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The problem is $2k/month is not enough to replace most full time jobs. Yes, it’s more than minimum wage at 40 hours/wk. But minimum wage is a joke these days.

…
$2k/month is not enough to keep the economy from the biggest deconstruction since the Great Depression.

It will at least help people stave off hunger, eviction or disconnected utilities.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:00:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:01:17am

re: #79 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The global death count spent nary a day in the eight thousand range:

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Germany just topped 13K cases and 31 deaths.

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unproven innocence  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:05:04am

Found on news.ycombinator.com (HackerNews):
threadreaderapp.com
Excerpt:

We can now read the Imperial College report on COVID-19 that led to the extreme measures we’ve seen in the US this week. Read it; it’s terrifying. I’ll offer a summary in this thread; please correct me if I’ve gotten it wrong.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:07:00am

Coronavirus: Dutch government adopts package of new measures designed to save jobs and the economy

Under the newly announced measures, billions of euros will be invested into the economy every month, for as long as necessary.

We can afford to do so because our debt level was reduced in better days.

Contrary to the past 3 years under the Republican Senate, where the supposed conservative party didn’t care about blooming deficits because their rich friends matter more.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:21:28am

re: #82 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Germany just topped 13K cases and 31 deaths.

That’s an exceedingly low fatality rate. What are the Germans doing that others aren’t? Early detection?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:36:16am

re: #34 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I wonder if a better approach would be to take a clue from FDR. Why not just tell OPM that the US Gov’t has a job for anyone who has lost wages during this crisis? A massive works project.

How do you do that AND self-isolate?

I agree about the logistics.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:42:07am

re: #86 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

How do you do that AND self-isolate?

I agree about the logistics.

Those who have been infected and survived will not have to isolate, assuming they are immune (which is the best guess right now.)

And the recovery will take many months.

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Sherlock Hound  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:00:25am

I’ve been anticipating the nihilists. Here they come.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:02:24am

re: #88 Sherlock Hound

I’ve been anticipating the nihilists. Here they come.

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Biden has articulated how I feel. It’s not playing favorites with who suffers from it.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:19:10am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:30:06am

re: #87 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Those who have been infected and survived will not have to isolate, assuming they are immune (which is the best guess right now.)

And the recovery will take many months.

Ok, I can see that long term, definitely. I don’t see that as a viable option for minimally six months though. And for those who recovered, what has been the experience thus far? I recall reading that many who did survive are permanently damaged in lung capacity.

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steve_davis  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:53:16am

I was trying to come up with something better than Orange Moron, because WSJ keeps filtering my stuff when I use the word “moron.” I thought Trump most reminds me of an incompetent Mussolini, so maybe Li’l Duce?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:55:23am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 5:56:30am

re: #92 steve_davis

I was trying to come up with something better than Orange Moron, because WSJ keeps filtering my stuff when I use the word “moron.” I thought Trump most reminds me of an incompetent Mussolini, so maybe Li’l Duce?

Li’l Dopo?

Orang Foolius is good. The KnowsNothing in the White House.

I started to us dumdum and stuff like that on twitter because they filter things like idiots, moron, etc., and put it into the hidden responses.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:01:29am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

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“Suing for slander”?? Who’s advising Hannity here? Devin Nunes?

Maybe he should hire Nunes’ lawyer: he can piggyback Sean’s suit on the one against the “Cow” blogger: a class(less) action suit…..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:04:39am

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

That’s an exceedingly low fatality rate. What are the Germans doing that others aren’t? Early detection?

A lot of testing, I guess: Germany has one doctor for every 200 residents, in China it is something like one doctor for every 5,000.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:05:39am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

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Discovery will be a bitch for Old Lumpy.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:07:14am

re: #97 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hannity’s gone to Twitter/Trump U and thinks he can SLAPP suit his way into silencing critics of Faux.

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:09:40am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Pastor convicted of sex crimes is preaching at Jacksonville church, again (WJXT-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.)

He was sentenced to three years in prison in 2009 for molesting two girls. He was also accused in Texas and Oklahoma, but charges were not brought against him in those states.

The church he is working at now is also across the street from a school.

He is exempt from prohibitions against sex offenders working near children due to freedom of religion exceptions.

The Houston Chronicle reported on his previous stint in Texas as a Southern Baptist follower of Paige Patterson. Patterson accused the girls there of making up their stories.

*darkly* Paige Patterson has a LOT to answer for. A LOT.

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jeffreyw  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:15:01am

Good morning!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:15:47am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:17:32am

enjoy the day, if you can.

YouTube

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:20:18am

re: #28 Dread Pirate

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:23:30am

re: #101 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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I don’t even know who Joe Biden’s son in law is. Google search shows he’s a doctor tho.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:25:09am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

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I’d love to see discovery on that suit. Imagining getting access to a bunch of internal Fox News emails and meeting notes about what and how they are going to run stories.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:26:35am

re: #103 Belafon

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actually you have to repent
and sincerely
you think that all powerful, almighty, all knowing god doesnt already know you’re being disingenuous or phoney - ie pascal’s wager??

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:27:33am

re: #104 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t even know who Joe Biden’s son in law is. Google search shows he’s a doctor tho.

as long as he stays away from the WH and the admin, i dont care who he is or what he does. same with hunter

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:28:44am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

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float away, big boy.
truth is a defense.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:30:36am
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A Cranky One  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:31:10am

Shit just got real.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:33:20am

re: #110 A Cranky One

Shit just got real.

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We already have my uncle’s old one in the attic. But I’m more Celtic than Slavic in my musical orientation.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:34:13am

re: #109 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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There needs to be trials after this.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:34:32am

Supermarket trip completed. I hand-washed before leaving, used hand sanitizer after fueling up the car and again upon entering and exiting the supermarket. And then hand-washed after getting home. Plus the clothes I wore, keys, and credit card were put aside or washed off as well.

Supermarket itself was not very busy. Produce present, but not in normal amounts.* Posted limits on amount of potatoes that could be purchased. (And similar limits on a lot of items in the store liked canned goods.) Pretty much found everything I was looking for except salted butter (but unsalted was available). Certain areas were totally cleaned out, toilet paper, paper towels, lunch meat, frozen chicken and many similar entrees.

Check-out was slow since they maintained distance between checker and customer and also wiped down the check-out lane before they checked out the next customer. While I was waiting in line they also opened up two more check-out lanes. I got to talk to a young man who normally worked produce and was doing check-out since they needed extra people there temporarily.

They also had staff wiping down the carts before putting them back in the queue for customers to use.

Customers were fairly silent and just going about their business. Some people with carts filled to overflowing while others, like me, seemed to be topping off on perishables and a few other items.

* - I think it be partly slower delivery schedules but also possibly doing restocks as needed as compared to fully restocking shelves in the early morning since they are operating on fewer hours currently.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:35:22am

re: #111 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We already have my uncle’s old one in the attic. But I’m more Celtic than Slavic in my musical orientation.

Celtic music is full of accordions, too.

Phil Cunningham & Aly Bain live at Celtic Colours International Festival 2014

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:38:20am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Celtic music is full of accordions, too.

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Yeah true.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:38:45am

I knew there was one, but there’s actually two congresspeople that tested positive:

What if the only way God could get Trump to stop putting children in cages was to get government shut down.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:44:09am
Alan Abramowitz: “Based on the results of presidential elections since World War II with running incumbents, a president with an upside-down approval rating and an economy in recession would have little chance of winning a second term in the White House. If President Trump’s net approval rating remains where it is now or declines further, and if the recession is severe, with real GDP shrinking by three points or more in the second quarter, the result could well be a defeat of landslide proportions

Yes, please

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:45:31am

re: #117 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Yes, please

We need to completely repudiate this pig fucker.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:48:39am

The last eight xkcd strips have all been about Covid-19.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:50:40am

re: #113 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I went to the Bulk Barn last night. I checked Google for their least busy times (nice option, thanks Google!) and there were very few people there. The store had a notice on their corporate website about what they were doing, cleaning everything throughout the day (which is very time consuming as all the items have their own scooper). They have sanitizer at the door and give you a plastic glove to do the scooping. They had everything I wanted but powdered milk. All regular powdered milk was sold out except for the buttermilk, so i got some of that because I think I can use it for baking if need be.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:51:57am

Wapo:

Stuart Stevens: “Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better.”

“But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way.”

“Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done.”

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:52:05am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

If his normal lawyer is in jail, maybe he needs an abnormal one. /s

re: #100 jeffreyw

Cardinal in the upper right blurred to protect the innocent.

re: #71 Axolotl

This makes a lot of sense. Somewhere I read they were going to make this a tax credit which is really dumb.

Even my republican neighbors think the money should go directly to the people this time.

A tax credit is useless to me, anyway.

re: #77 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The problem is $2k/month is not enough to replace most full time jobs. Yes, it’s more than minimum wage at 40 hours/wk. But minimum wage is a joke these days.

Mnuchin projected 20% unemployment. That’s a lot of lost jobs and not all of them are minimum wage. The median household income in the US is about $62k. Losing such incomes will cause a massive default in mortgages and smaller loans (e.g., car loans).

$2k/month is not enough to keep the economy from the biggest deconstruction since the Great Depression.

$2,000 a month. That’s about what I get in disability and is a whole lot more than what others get. We’ll take it.

Median income is touted as a better measure of income than average because it ignores the extremes at the end. The example given is often what if you take the average of Joe Blow and Bill Gates? The average says they are both millionaires.

It also ignores the extreme of those of us who have $0 income.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:52:57am

re: #37 goddamnedfrank

“these shortages you speak of” HOLY FUCK!

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Elon the Sea Lion. Almost rhymes.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:54:50am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Ah, so IOW, he’s a piece of shit and a failed human being. OK.

And his fly is unzipped.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:56:17am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 6:57:36am

re: #109 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Ah gmta

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unproven innocence  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:00:08am

About an hour ago:

‘Zero new cases’ of local transmission of virus in Hubei, China

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:00:28am

re: #118 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We need to completely repudiate this pig fucker.

A Carter level loss would be nice, though not likely

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:01:13am

re: #128 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

A Carter level loss would be nice, though not likely

Yeah unfortunately a lot of people are deluded about this monster.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:01:50am

re: #125 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

There are two damning parts to that:
1. Some Republicans knew it was bad but kept quiet.
2. The rest of them are stupid.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:02:22am

re: #91 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Ok, I can see that long term, definitely. I don’t see that as a viable option for minimally six months though. And for those who recovered, what has been the experience thus far? I recall reading that many who did survive are permanently damaged in lung capacity.

The official number of “recovered” in the US is nine. The official number of cases is about 10,000 — out of 325 million. Surely there are more, since so many have mild cases or no symptoms at all, but we’d need tests for the sick and serum tests to find the recovered.

(They’re finding that those who recovered after hospitalization have a high incidence of lung complications, but that’s 20% or less of former patients.)

So fixes that involve putting people to public works probably aren’t practical.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:02:58am

What strikes me about the president’s supposedly “new tone” is….that it still doesn’t seem particularly urgent. Rather he still sounds pretty disinterested in the whole thing. No real sense of urgency. He’s mouthing the words about “social distancing” he’s been told to say, but you can tell his heart really isn’t in it. He thought he was going to skate through his WH years without a crisis, amusing himself by shitposting on Twitter and having his rubes eat up every word.

And his rubes, especially at Fox News and on talk radio, don’t know how to respond either. In the span of a week they’ve leap frogged from LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX CRISIS, to Look How Great MAGA POTUS is Dealing With This Crisis, to Well None of This is Really The Federal Government’s Responsibility, all while other misanthropes on the Right are still leading with the LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX GO SHOPPING AND EATING OUT TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:04:32am

re: #132 Sir John Barron

He’s fundamentally incapable of being interested in other people.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:04:44am

re: #121 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Wapo:

Stuart Stevens: “Don’t just blame President Trump. Blame me — and all the other Republicans who aided and abetted and, yes, benefited from protecting a political party that has become dangerous to America. Some of us knew better.”

“But we built this moment. And then we looked the other way.”

“Many of us heard a warning sound we chose to ignore, like that rattle in your car you hear but figure will go away. Now we’re broken down, with plenty of time to think about what should have been done.”

Notice if you read that article carefully, like Jennifer Rubin, like Rick Wilson, like all the never-Trumpers, he doesn’t apologise for how he helped build this.

If we dig ourselves out of this mess, they’ll go right back to being cheerleaders for the GOP.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:05:31am

re: #132 Sir John Barron

What strikes me about the president’s supposedly “new tone” is….that it still doesn’t seem particularly urgent. Rather he still sounds pretty disinterested in the whole thing. No real sense of urgency. He’s mouthing the words about “social distancing” he’s been told to say, but you can tell his heart really isn’t in it. He thought he was going to skate through his WH years without a crisis, amusing himself by shitposting on Twitter and having his rubes eat up every word.

And his rubes, especially at Fox News and on talk radio, don’t know how to respond either. In the span of a week they’ve leap frogged from This is No Crisis to Look How Great MAGA POTUS is Dealing With This Crisis to Well None of This is Really The Federal Government’s Responsibility, all while other misanthropes on the Right are still leading with the LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX GO SHOPPING AND EATING OUT TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON.

It was more fun for him when he could enrich himself by the Presidency and now he’s going down in history as American Nero. Tweeting while Washington burns.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:06:14am

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was more fun for him when he could enrich himself by the Presidency and now he’s going down in history as American Nero. Tweeting while Washington burns.

“Tweeting while Washington burns” is a pretty apty depiction.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:07:38am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

“Tweeting while Washington burns” is a pretty apty depiction.

It would be nice if someone told him gtfo Twitter for once and act like a fucking adult.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:07:47am

re: #132 Sir John Barron

What strikes me about the president’s supposedly “new tone” is….that it still doesn’t seem particularly urgent. Rather he still sounds pretty disinterested in the whole thing. No real sense of urgency. He’s mouthing the words about “social distancing” he’s been told to say, but you can tell his heart really isn’t in it. He thought he was going to skate through his WH years without a crisis, amusing himself by shitposting on Twitter and having his rubes eat up every word.

And his rubes, especially at Fox News and on talk radio, don’t know how to respond either. In the span of a week they’ve leap frogged from This is No Crisis to Look How Great MAGA POTUS is Dealing With This Crisis to Well None of This is Really The Federal Government’s Responsibility, all while other misanthropes on the Right are still leading with the LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX GO SHOPPING AND EATING OUT TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON.

trump is a sociopath. he has no idea how to pretend to be human (which sociopaths actually do fairly well). he knows no other way to act than how he acts every day. tbh, I don’t think Ivanka dying would affect him. He’s broken mentally.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:08:15am

They knew.

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lizardofid  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:08:29am

re: #125 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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I’d love for the SEC to take a quick look at Mr. Burr’s activities around that time.

Oh, good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:08:43am

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was more fun for him when he could enrich himself by the Presidency and now he’s going down in history as American Nero. Tweeting while Washington burns.

The rallies were great fun for him, too.

I can’t help but think that even Drump is surprised by how many, and by how fervently and devotedly, he created a gullible worshipful army of rubes who hang on and regurgitate every word.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:08:53am

re: #130 Belafon

There are two damning parts to that:
1. Some Republicans knew it was bad but kept quiet.
2. The rest of them are stupid.

I’ll add a third
Those who will speak off the record candidly but not on.
They are lying when speaking on the record.

Profiles in courage

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:09:23am

re: #100 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Good morning to you!

We’ll join you shortly.
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:09:32am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Notice if you read that article carefully, like Jennifer Rubin, like Rick Wilson, like all the never-Trumpers, he doesn’t apologise for how he helped build this.

If we dig ourselves out of this mess, they’ll go right back to being cheerleaders for the GOP.

That is exactly how I feel about all of them. I see Bill Kristol saying nice things and cannot, no matter how hard I try, forget that he (and all of them) built this.

Yeah, yeah, friends of my enemy and all, but I cannot and will not forget.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:09:47am

re: #133 jaunte

He’s fundamentally incapable of being interested in other people.

Being a sociopath will do that

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:11:01am

re: #135 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It was more fun for him when he could enrich himself by the Presidency and now he’s going down in history as American Nero. Tweeting while Washington burns.

+1 and +2

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:12:23am

re: #132 Sir John Barron

What strikes me about the president’s supposedly “new tone” is….that it still doesn’t seem particularly urgent. Rather he still sounds pretty disinterested in the whole thing. No real sense of urgency. He’s mouthing the words about “social distancing” he’s been told to say, but you can tell his heart really isn’t in it. He thought he was going to skate through his WH years without a crisis, amusing himself by shitposting on Twitter and having his rubes eat up every word.

And his rubes, especially at Fox News and on talk radio, don’t know how to respond either. In the span of a week they’ve leap frogged from LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX CRISIS, to Look How Great MAGA POTUS is Dealing With This Crisis, to Well None of This is Really The Federal Government’s Responsibility, all while other misanthropes on the Right are still leading with the LIBERAL MEDIA HOAX GO SHOPPING AND EATING OUT TURN THE MACHINES BACK ON.

Never before has the Grand Canyon-sized gap between wingnut fantasy and reality been wider. And we’re watching this play out in real time to what will undoubtedly be catastrophic consequences in the country (see, beaches, Florida). And none of the bad stuff has really happened yet. Yeah, much of the country is just getting used to home confinement, but the fatalities from all of this have barely begun.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:12:31am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

The rallies were great fun for him, too.

I can’t help but think that even Drump is surprised by how many, and by how fervently and devotedly, he created a gullible worshipful army of rubes who hang on and regurgitate every word.

I disagree. This has always been his life. Years before he thought politics would be fun, he was delivering his BS real estate seminars, and my old boss was interviewed in the local paper and he wasn’t a fan of trump or the seminar. He got hate mail. People looked up his name and then his contact info and sent him hate mail.

This was always trump’s life.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:13:30am
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William Lewis  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:13:34am

re: #94 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Li’l Dopo?

Orang Foolius is good. The KnowsNothing in the White House.

I started to us dumdum and stuff like that on twitter because they filter things like idiots, moron, etc., and put it into the hidden responses.

I’ve been using Mango Moron but if they don’t like Moron, say Mango Mussolini instead.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:17:42am

re: #147 Sir John Barron

Never before has the Grand Canyon-sized gap between wingnut fantasy and reality been wider.

It has always been that wide, but it was shrouded in the fog of rhetoric. The Corona crisis has blown that fog away and we can finally see the North Rim…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:18:14am

Gov. DeSantis is a member of the Greed Over People Party though. Good luck with that.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:19:40am

Had dinner with the family last night… it was mine and my sister’s birthday. A lot of the talk was about the pandemic. I mostly stayed quiet because they are mostly Trumpers and I just don’t have it in me to fight them anymore. They’re mostly in denial. My brother in law was like “they just need to give it to everyone” and I explained what happened in the UK and how they realized nearly a million people would die and in the US the death toll would be equal to the Holocaust. They didn’t have an answer for that. I told my dad, who is probably the most reasonable of the bunch, later that I think it’s a leadership issue, that Trump wasn’t proactive and when these things happened before the government would move early to try and contain it in the areas where it broke out, but he just sort of scoffed. They didn’t have many answers but still think most people are overreacting.

It’s frustrating. But at the same time I’ve just gotten used to it.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:20:15am

re: #144 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That is exactly how I feel about all of them. I see Bill Kristol saying nice things and cannot, no matter how hard I try, forget that he (and all of them) built this.

Yeah, yeah, friends of my enemy and all, but I cannot and will not forget.

Yup, and they did it with a smile on their face and a very nice paycheck in their bank every payday. They sold a large portion of the populist an atavistic, selfish, and hateful view of the USA, and demonised the rest of us so they could make (a lot of) bucks.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:20:58am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🎃

Notice if you read that article carefully, like Jennifer Rubin, like Rick Wilson, like all the never-Trumpers, he doesn’t apologise for how he helped build this.

Rubin, Joe Walsh, Ana Navarro have all apologized. Repeatedly. Walsh is pledging to actively campaign for Biden.

Careful swinging the broad brush.

And for my money, they can go right back to being Republicans after the election, as long as they help swing the hammer to get Trump removed.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:21:49am

re: #155 makeitstop

Rubin, Joe Walsh, Ana Navarro have all apologized. Repeatedly. Walsh is pledging to actively campaign for Biden.

Careful swinging the broad brush.

And for my money, they can go right back to being Republicans after the election, as long as they help swing the hammer to get Trump removed.

Yeah, this is my feeling as well. Right now we’ll take all the help we can get.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:23:15am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

The rallies were great fun for him, too.

I can’t help but think that even Drump is surprised by how many, and by how fervently and devotedly, he created a gullible worshipful army of rubes who hang on and regurgitate every word.

It’s dangerous. The idea that one person alone would solve our problems. I’m not naive. Biden isn’t going to be able to fix everything and we will be cleaning this mess up for a long time. We fucked ourselves.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:26:31am

re: #155 makeitstop

Rubin, Joe Walsh, Ana Navarro have all apologized. Repeatedly. Walsh is pledging to actively campaign for Biden.

Careful swinging the broad brush.

And for my money, they can go right back to being Republicans after the election, as long as they help swing the hammer to get Trump removed.

I read that Ana Navarro was going to vote for Hillary Clinton.

As for the apologies, I didn’t see those. Perhaps I missed them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:27:26am

re: #155 makeitstop

Rubin, Joe Walsh, Ana Navarro have all apologized. Repeatedly. Walsh is pledging to actively campaign for Biden.

Careful swinging the broad brush.

And for my money, they can go right back to being Republicans after the election, as long as they help swing the hammer to get Trump removed.

I’m honestly tired of having the argument/ We’re in uncharted waters right now. I have no idea what’s going to happen with Trump’s internal GOP and conservative detractors after this but right now I honestly don’t care. They’re using their influence to call this shit out. That doesn’t change that they were wrong in the past but to me anyhow I’m not in the mood for a dick waving battle especially because I know our own host got shit for quite a while for having been a supporter of the Bush administration’s foreign policy. And I’ll note that my own views and activities from 01-09 were at odds with that but I don’t hold a grudge against Charles or any of you who did.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:27:59am

So a couple of minutes ago I felt an earthquake… but it didn’t immediate register on the USGS map site, but is there now:

earthquake.usgs.gov

Not very large, and close enough that the different waves were not discernible. Shook the building though.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:35:27am

re: #160 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Quake is placed in a gravel pit:
goo.gl

But at 5.2km estimated depth it can’t be blasting. Or the depth estimate will have to be reworked if it indeed was blasting.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:35:54am
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Dave In Austin  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:36:03am

Would anyone here like to send me a $91 “Seed”?
I’ll just be honest and say I need the moneyz.

Think that will work with the Twitter/FB masses?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:37:11am

re: #161 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Quake is placed in a gravel pit:
goo.gl

But at 5.2km estimated depth it can’t be blasting. Or the depth estimate will have to be reworked if it indeed was blasting.

some sort of major collapse?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:37:20am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:38:38am

Trump’s is the worst of all possible administrations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:40:29am

re: #166 jaunte

Trump’s Agriculture Department said that it would appeal a judge’s ruling that it would be “arbitrary and capricious” to move forward during a global health crisis with food stamp changes that could force hundreds of thousands from the program.

If we don’t cut Food Stamps in the midst of this pandemic, people will have no incentive to learn how to get by without Food Stamps during the next pandemic…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:40:59am

re: #166 jaunte

Trump’s is the worst of all possible administrations.

But Trump is going to outleft the Demccrats on this. //

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:41:42am

re: #168 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s like if he doesn’t tweet the policy, no one knows it’s happening.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:44:21am

How is everyone holding up on a personal level though? I have to admit although health wise I feel fine, I’m getting a little bit on edge. I was preparing to cook some French toast this morning when a porcelain plate crashed and gashed my right pinky. Hurt like hell but I got some hot water on it and then some alcohol and bandaged it up. Fortunately, it’s not my dominant hand. Hurts still a bit though. Maybe I’ll get a neat little scar of it I dunno.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:45:28am

re: #169 jaunte

It’s like if he doesn’t tweet the policy, no one knows it’s happening.

His enablers I say are worse than him in a lot of ways because they continue to feed him the delusion that he’s a great leader. He’s not. His entire Presidency we’ve been lacking leadership at that position.

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rhuarc  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:47:39am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m fine right now. Both my wife and I are probably pretty safe when it comes to our jobs. I believe it would take an interruption on an even bigger scale than what Covid-19 is expected to do for us to have our jobs be in jeopardy. However, my anger at Republicans is starting to get worse every day. Not sure how this is possible considering the anger I already have for them, but it is happening.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:51:03am

re: #158 Anymouse 🌹🎃

I read that Ana Navarro was going to vote for Hillary Clinton.

As for the apologies, I didn’t see those. Perhaps I missed them.

Walsh

I’d go find the other ones, but I’ve got work to do.

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:51:54am

Information is great, but I could do without the daily Gov. Cuomo stream of consciousness press conferences.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:52:40am

re: #174 danarchy

Information is great, but I could do without the daily Gov. Cuomo stream of consciousness press conferences.

Ditto for Trump’s bullshit pressers, yeah?

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:55:20am

re: #144 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That is exactly how I feel about all of them. I see Bill Kristol saying nice things and cannot, no matter how hard I try, forget that he (and all of them) built this.

Yeah, yeah, friends of my enemy and all, but I cannot and will not forget.

My version is this: The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but we may have common cause.

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:56:12am

re: #175 makeitstop

Ditto for Trump’s bullshit pressers, yeah?

Well, that goes without saying. I was done with his BS long before the current situation. He doesn’t so much have a stream of consciousness as a stream of derp.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:57:02am

Well I did not see this coming.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:57:55am

re: #172 rhuarc

I’m fine right now. Both my wife and I are probably pretty safe when it comes to our jobs. I believe it would take an interruption on an even bigger scale than what Covid-19 is expected to do for us to have our jobs be in jeopardy. However, my anger at Republicans is starting to get worse every day. Not sure how this is possible considering the anger I already have for them, but it is happening.

Yeah I’m getting really angry thinking about this too. I heard the Burr clip. I’m also feeling infuriated with the same right wingers who shat talk on Facebook about ohw this was no big deal being xenophobic pieces of shit to Chinese people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:58:53am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

Well I did not see this coming.

I didn’t either.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 7:59:27am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How is everyone holding up on a personal level though? I have to admit although health wise I feel fine, I’m getting a little bit on edge. I was preparing to cook some French toast this morning when a porcelain plate crashed and gashed my right pinky. Hurt like hell but I got some hot water on it and then some alcohol and bandaged it up. Fortunately, it’s not my dominant hand. Hurts still a bit though. Maybe I’ll get a neat little scar of it I dunno.

Cabin fever. My wife and I were laughing yesterday because going to the supermarket is now the height of our social calendar. :) All my gigs into April have been cancelled along with rehearsals and other related stuff, so I’m perfecting the art of thumb-twiddling.

Speaking of the supermarket - my local Stop & Shop has instituted early morning hours (6:00 to 7:30) for geezers like me to get in there and do our shopping. We made up a list and I was going to go this morning, but we ran out yesterday and got a lot of what we needed so my wife let me sleep in until 8:00. I told her I was disappoint because I wanted to go to the store and hang out with the olds. :)

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:00:17am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

Well I did not see this coming.

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Well, damn.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:01:57am

re: #176 cat-tikvah

My version is this: The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy, but we may have common cause.

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

Winston Churchill

(never forget, we allied with Stalin for that war.)

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:03:14am

Second thought: Tulski’s endorsement of Biden is being done out of sheer self-interest. It indicates that she realizes the danger of losing her existing gig. I doubt it will help at this point.

Also - Bernie, you’re next.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:04:37am

re: #183 sagehen

“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”

Winston Churchill

(never forget, we allied with Stalin for that war.)

That’s right. So yeah I can handle having Rubin as an ally. Doesn’t mean I agree with her general philosophy but she understands the present situation which is to her credit. She’s been after Trump and his enablers from the start. Meanwhile there were some left wing dumbasses who convinced themselves that Clinton was worse than Trump. I’m more angry at them than I am Rubin.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:05:05am

re: #184 makeitstop

Second thought: Tulski’s endorsement of Biden is being done out of sheer self-interest. It indicates that she realizes the danger of losing her existing gig. I doubt it will help at this point.

Also - Bernie, you’re next.

Hoping Warren makes her endorsement soon too.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:05:05am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:06:36am

re: #187 jaunte

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He always doubles down on the bigotry.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:06:49am

re: #184 makeitstop

Second thought: Tulski’s endorsement of Biden is being done out of sheer self-interest. It indicates that she realizes the danger of losing her existing gig. I doubt it will help at this point.

Also - Bernie, you’re next.

She doesn’t have an existing gig, IIRC. Didn’t she already say she was leaving Congress after this term? I think there’s a new (and better) Democrat already running there.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:07:12am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:08:03am

re: #189 i(m)p(each)sos

She doesn’t have an existing gig, IIRC. Didn’t she already say she was leaving Congress after this term? I think there’s a new (and better) Democrat already running there.

State Senator yeah. Anyhow I’m glad it’s done. Bernie hopefully realizes this too.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:08:05am

re: #188 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And he could care less if hundreds of random Asian Americans get beaten or worse by random bigots.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:08:40am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s right. So yeah I can handle having Rubin as an ally. Doesn’t mean I agree with her general philosophy but she understands the present situation which is to her credit. She’s been after Trump and his enablers from the start.

Navarro, too. Walsh was late to the party, but I continue to be surprised at how he’s opposing Trump without equivocation. He’ll likely go back to being a right wing douche once Trump is gone - leopard, spots, etc. But for now I applaud his honesty in acknowledging just how wrong he was.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:08:49am

re: #192 jaunte

And he could care less if hundreds of random Asian Americans get beaten or worse by random bigots.

Nope. Goddamn him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:09:23am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:09:32am

I just came back from my local supermarket. It is Thursday an they are thankfully restocking. One of the stockers told me they only got enough for one week. I picked up some seltzer and bagels. I saw one of my neighbors and said hello. Otherwise it is quiet on the streets.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:10:17am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

Well I did not see this coming.

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Is she going for reelection?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:11:11am

re: #193 makeitstop

Navarro, too. Walsh was late to the party, but I continue to be surprised at how he’s opposing Trump without equivocation. He’ll likely go back to being a right wing douche once Trump is gone - leopard, spots, etc. But for now I applaud his honesty in acknowledging just how wrong he was.

Yeah Ana and Jen were anti-Trump early on. Walsh was relatively late but he’s been forceful in his opposition. I’m just tired of having the argument about them. I don’t think anyone here wants them to shape American liberalism for the 2020’s but they want to make sure there is an America for the 2020’s and beyond so yeah I’ll take their help. I appreciated Stevens op-ed. And I talked to my Dad today. He talked to a guy he knows. Gun owner, self described Republican who doesn’t like Biden who ended up voting Joe in the primary. It’s far from over but we have the potential if we unite, we can blow Trump out.

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BigPapa  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:11:15am

I cried last night. Went to dinner with my wife, paranoid. Feeling of ‘this may be our last meal out for a while.’ Told her if the place fills up we need to bounce.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:11:25am

re: #197 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Is she going for reelection?

Don’t think so.

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:11:45am

re: #192 jaunte

And he could care less if hundreds of random Asian Americans get beaten or worse by random bigots.

This is in the Philadelphia Inquirer today, looks like it was in WaPo a day or two ago. If you’re a subscriber/reader, demand they drop Thiessen immediately. Ordinarily his right wing hackery is something to ignore. This is incitement.
washingtonpost.com

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:12:07am

re: #189 i(m)p(each)sos

She doesn’t have an existing gig, IIRC. Didn’t she already say she was leaving Congress after this term? I think there’s a new (and better) Democrat already running there.

Ah, I didn’t know that.

Hooray for the better Democrat, and good luck to Tulski on her upcoming gig on Fox.

/

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:12:27am

re: #187 jaunte

Is there a link to the page where this is posted? I just want to make sure it’s real before I spread it around.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:12:54am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

Well I did not see this coming.

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Wants to keep her “Democrat” credentials? Or Putin has figured out that weakening the US during a pandemic might not make short-term sense?

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:13:12am

Thiessen column if behind paywall (excerpts)
By
Marc A. Thiessen
Columnist
March 17, 2020 at 1:47 p.m. EDT
Want to know why the U.S. economy is in free fall? Why restaurants and bars are closing, putting millions out of work, and why the airline industry is facing possible bankruptcy? Why schools across the nation are shutting down, leaving students to fall behind and parents without safe places to send their children everyday? Why the stock market is plummeting, wiping out the retirement and college savings of millions of Americans? Why the elderly are isolated in nursing homes and tens of millions who don’t have the option of teleworking have no idea how they will pay their bills?

Answer: Because China is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship.

We are in the midst of a pandemic lockdown today because the Chinese Communist regime cared more about suppressing information than suppressing a virus.

This is what totalitarian regimes do. First, they lie to themselves, and then, they lie to the world. The system creates such fear that people are terrified to report bad news up the chain, causing “authoritarian blindness.” Then, when those at the top finally discover the truth, they try to cover it up — because leaders who abuse their people are less concerned with saving lives than making sure the world does not discover the deadly inefficiency of their system. (blind spot/irony meter imploded)

And we can lay the blame for this crisis where it belongs: at the feet of the Chinese Communist Party. Once the crisis has passed, President Trump should calculate the damage and demand that Beijing pay for the death and destruction it unleashed on the United States and the world.

Some have suggested that calling this pathogen the “Wuhan virus” — or as President Trump recently called it, the “Chinese virus” — is racist. That is absurd. MERS is called the “Middle East Respiratory Syndrome” because that is where it originated. Moreover, the Chinese regime continues to lie, spreading a conspiracy theory that the source of the virus is really the U.S. Army.

It is important this virus be forever linked to the brutal regime that facilitated its spread. The virus grew in the cesspool of Chinese Communist tyranny. It’s time to drain the swamp.

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lizardofid  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:14:13am

re: #186 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Hoping Warren makes her endorsement soon too.

Yep. He’s endorsed her bankruptcy reform. There must be a bit more policy negotiation going on behind the scenes. Which is fine with me. : )

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aatharuv  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:14:43am

I suspect that Gabbard was just pissed at Bernie Sanders for actually running rather than endorsing her campaign, especially after she quit her post on the DNC to endorse hi last time around.

I haven’t done the math to see if Gabbard actually cost Bernie delegates anywhere…

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:14:47am

re: #203 Skip Intro

Is there a link to the page where this is posted? I just want to make sure it’s real before I spread it around.

Yes, it’s here:

donaldjtrump.com

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Amory Blaine  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:14:57am

re: #163 Dave In Austin

Would anyone here like to send me a $91 “Seed”?
I’ll just be honest and say I need the moneyz.

Think that will work with the Twitter/FB masses?

Needs more Jesus.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:15:33am

re: #205 cat-tikvah

Thiessen column if behind paywall:
By
Marc A. Thiessen
Columnist
March 17, 2020 at 1:47 p.m. EDT
Want to know why the U.S. economy is in free fall? Why restaurants and bars are closing, putting millions out of work, and why the airline industry is facing possible bankruptcy? Why schools across the nation are shutting down, leaving students to fall behind and parents without safe places to send their children everyday? Why the stock market is plummeting, wiping out the retirement and college savings of millions of Americans? Why the elderly are isolated in nursing homes and tens of millions who don’t have the option of teleworking have no idea how they will pay their bills?

Answer: Because China is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship.

More coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

We are in the midst of a pandemic lockdown today because the Chinese Communist regime cared more about suppressing information than suppressing a virus. Doctors in Wuhan knew in December that the coronavirus was capable of human-to-human transmission because medical workers were getting sick. But as late as Jan. 15, the head of China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention declared on state television that “the risk of human-to-human transmission is low.” On Jan. 18, weeks after President Xi Jinping had taken charge of the response, authorities allowed a Lunar New Year banquet to go forward in Wuhan where tens of thousands of families shared food — and then let millions travel out of Wuhan, allowing the disease to spread across the world. It was not until Jan. 23 that the Chinese government enacted a quarantine in Wuhan.

If the regime had taken action as soon as human-to-human transmission was detected, it might have contained the virus and prevented a global pandemic. Instead, Chinese officials punished doctors for trying to warn the public and suppressed information that might have saved lives. According to the Times of London, Chinese doctors who had identified the pathogen in early December received a gag order from China’s National Health Commission with instructions to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news.

This is what totalitarian regimes do. First, they lie to themselves, and then, they lie to the world. The system creates such fear that people are terrified to report bad news up the chain, causing “authoritarian blindness.” Then, when those at the top finally discover the truth, they try to cover it up — because leaders who abuse their people are less concerned with saving lives than making sure the world does not discover the deadly inefficiency of their system.

The ongoing pandemic should serve as a reminder of the lesson that President George W. Bush tried to teach us after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks: What happens thousands of miles away in a foreign land can affect us here at home. Both viruses and virulent ideologies fester in the fever swamps of totalitarianism and then emerge to kill us in our cities and our streets. Two decades ago, it was a terrorist attack; today, it is a once-in-a-generation pathogen. But in both cases, the lack of freedom in a distant land created conditions that allowed an unprecedented threat to grow, bringing death and destruction to our country.

What Bush called the “freedom agenda” is out of vogue today. But we can now see that caring about freedom is putting America first, because how China treats its people affects the health and security of the American people. The same totalitarian system that lied about putting 1 million Uighurs in concentration camps lied about the outbreak of this virus, creating a global pandemic. If China were an open and transparent society, with an accountable government, Americans might not be on lockdown today.

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What can we do about it? We obviously can’t turn China into a democracy. But we can hold China accountable for its behavior and put a price on its lies and oppression. We can reaffirm that the advance of freedom, transparency and rule of law are central objectives of U.S. foreign policy, because the lives and safety of our citizens depend on it. And we can lay the blame for this crisis where it belongs: at the feet of the Chinese Communist Party. Once the crisis has passed, President Trump should calculate the damage and demand that Beijing pay for the death and destruction it unleashed on the United States and the world.

Some have suggested that calling this pathogen the “Wuhan virus” — or as President Trump recently called it, the “Chinese virus” — is racist. That is absurd. MERS is called the “Middle East Respiratory Syndrome” because that is where it originated. Moreover, the Chinese regime continues to lie, spreading a conspiracy theory that the source of the virus is really the U.S. Army.

It is important this virus be forever linked to the brutal regime that facilitated its spread. The virus grew in the cesspool of Chinese Communist tyranny. It’s time to drain the swamp.

Theissen is such a fucking bootlicking dipshit. Fuck him and everyone who insists on calling the virus “Chinese Virus” just because they want to be assholes. They’re helping Xi and they don’t fucking care because they need to be “anti PC.” Well here’s something anti PC for all the Theissens out there, you’re a bunch of enabling cowards who have ruiend our country by your devotion to lying for Trump nonstop rather than ever calling him out on it. Fuck you Marc and the horse you rode on.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:16:16am

re: #208 jaunte

Thank you.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:17:04am

re: #206 lizardofid

Yep. He’s endorsed her bankruptcy reform. There must be a bit more policy negotiation going on behind the scenes. Which is fine with me. : )

Yeah. It’ll come. I think we’re going to get a progressive platform. I just want voters to be patient because if Biden wins and I’m cautiously optimistic he will, it’s not going to be fixed immediately so for the love of fuck, please continue to vote and stay engaged.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:17:05am

re: #201 cat-tikvah

These people haven’t bothered to learn anything about viruses constantly moving from animal populations to human. It could just as easily come from the Huckabee family’s squirrel diet as from anything in China.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:18:15am

re: #213 jaunte

These people haven’t bothered to learn anything about viruses constantly moving from animal populations to human. It could just as easily come from the Huckabee family’s squirrel diet as from anything in China.

They only care about their stupid games. Just call it Corona or COVID-19. Why do they insist on calling it the Chinese virus as people are actually being attacked for being Chinese, Chinese American, or even looking Chinese.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:19:21am

re: #125 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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Yep, only a small group gets the real story. Gotta keep the lower citizens in the dark.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:19:54am

re: #210 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This “Marc” person is also a Fox News contributor. That would explain quite a bit.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:21:02am

re: #181 makeitstop

Cabin fever. My wife and I were laughing yesterday because going to the supermarket is now the height of our social calendar. :) All my gigs into April have been cancelled along with rehearsals and other related stuff, so I’m perfecting the art of thumb-twiddling.

Speaking of the supermarket - my local Stop & Shop has instituted early morning hours (6:00 to 7:30) for geezers like me to get in there and do our shopping. We made up a list and I was going to go this morning, but we ran out yesterday and got a lot of what we needed so my wife let me sleep in until 8:00. I told her I was disappoint because I wanted to go to the store and hang out with the olds. :)

You could join the #togetherathome concert series.

John Legend, Charlie Puth, Chris Martin, Common, Keith Urban… If this thing really goes on for six months, we’re going to run out of famous top 40 types.

(also… all the best museums have most of their collection on-line. Now you’ve got time.

Harvard, Yale and Stanford have for a long had a lot of their most famous professors’ lectures online, and now you’ve got the time. David Blight’s civil war course is 27 hours

YouTube.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:21:14am

re: #216 PhillyPretzel

This “Marc” person is also a Fox News contributor. That would explain quite a bit.

Former Bush staffer IIRC. I see his columns in the WaPo. They’re usually the most slobbery towards Trump. I’m hoping that being linked with Trump when all this is done is going to be toxic for one’s influence in American politics though i also expect a lot of revisionism too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:21:58am

re: #217 sagehen

You could join the #togetherathome concert series.

John Legend, Charlie Puth, Chris Martin, Common, Keith Urban… If this thing really goes on for six months, we’re going to run out of famous top 40 types.

(also… all the best museums have most of their collection on-line. Now you’ve got time.

Harvard, Yale and Stanford have for a long had a lot of their most famous professors’ lectures online, and now you’ve got the time. David Blight’s civil war course is 27 hours

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Video.

The lectures sound neat.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:22:03am

re: #218 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly.

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BigPapa  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:23:39am

I got a little worked up and pissed off yesterday.

House guest of luxury home, ocean front, was supposed to come in Saturday but showed up early Tuesday. From Seattle.

WiFi issues. My guy didn’t want to go there and our policy any employee has a right to reject a service call if they feel unsafe. I tried remote support. Next day, still issues. I got to the dude direct to cut away proxies, got some data, told him I would look at and we’ll see if a call needs to made and if we need to come in. He said ‘if you need to come in then just come in, my son has to turn in his homework and my wife works too.’

Completely fucking clueless and oblivious. If I even go out I may tell him to GTFO and take his family with him.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:24:05am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How is everyone holding up on a personal level though? I have to admit although health wise I feel fine, I’m getting a little bit on edge. I was preparing to cook some French toast this morning when a porcelain plate crashed and gashed my right pinky. Hurt like hell but I got some hot water on it and then some alcohol and bandaged it up. Fortunately, it’s not my dominant hand. Hurts still a bit though. Maybe I’ll get a neat little scar of it I dunno.

Holding up. But it’s only day two of a 30 day furlough. Since the last two days have been my weekend, we normally stay in anyways. The next 28 days are what’s going to be a blast. Health whys, Still doing good as well.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:24:10am

re: #205 cat-tikvah

Answer: Because China is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship.

More coverage of the coronavirus pandemic

We are in the midst of a pandemic lockdown today because the Chinese Communist regime cared more about suppressing information than suppressing a virus.

Among the problems with this allegation is that it solves nothing except to declare war against China which we won’t do and in absence of a declaration of war will just lead to attacks on Asian Americans.

Great Job Marc. Helpful! ////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:24:13am

re: #205 cat-tikvah

Thiessen column if behind paywall:
By
Marc A. Thiessen
Columnist
March 17, 2020 at 1:47 p.m. EDT
Want to know why the U.S. economy is in free fall? Why restaurants and bars are closing, putting millions out of work, and why the airline industry is facing possible bankruptcy? …

Answer: Because China is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship…

It’s time to drain the swamp.

So these are the established talking points about how Trump did not botch his leadership, this is all the fault of a brutal foreign dictatorship which Donald Trump is doing his best to protect us from.

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BeachDem  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:24:34am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

That’s right. So yeah I can handle having Rubin as an ally. Doesn’t mean I agree with her general philosophy but she understands the present situation which is to her credit. She’s been after Trump and his enablers from the start. Meanwhile there were some left wing dumbasses who convinced themselves that Clinton was worse than Trump. I’m more angry at them than I am Rubin.

Case in point for Rubin:

The descent of the GOP into authoritarian know-nothingism

It is not as if anti-intellectualism suddenly appeared with the election of President Trump. The habitual rejection of expertise on everything from climate change to the economic impact of immigration has been rampant in the Republican Party for some time…

Trump has merged the know-nothingism of right-wing populism with a far more dangerous intellectual evolution from defense of limited-government conservatism, which was formerly at the heart of modern conservatism, to outright worship of authoritarianism. Now, far too many conservatives have reverence for executive power and reject constitutional government.

washingtonpost.com

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:26:43am

re: #224 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So these are the established talking points about how Trump did not botch his leadership, this is all the fault of a brutal foreign dictatorship which Donald Trump is doing his best to protect us from.

And also we’re mimicking the “Authoritarian Chinese Dictatorship Suppressing Information” model, Marc.

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:27:22am

re: #210 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

inquirer.letters@inquirer.com Drop them a line; demand they drop Thiessen

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BigPapa  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:28:47am

Calling it the Wuhan virus to punish communists? Not only is this not serious, it foments hate and xenophobia. Fuck that.

If we’re going to do that let’s call it the Communist/Conservative Virus because the American conservatives did the same thing the Chinese communist government did. Except wingnuts took longer to take it serious and were more glib assholes about it, and continue to be glib assholes.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:28:48am

re: #218 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Former Bush staffer IIRC. I see his columns in the WaPo. They’re usually the most slobbery towards Trump. I’m hoping that being linked with Trump when all this is done is going to be toxic for one’s influence in American politics though i also expect a lot of revisionism too.

He’s an automatic skip every time his stuff appears in the Post, along with Hugh Hewitt.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:29:08am

re: #181 makeitstop

Cabin fever. My wife and I were laughing yesterday because going to the supermarket is now the height of our social calendar. :) All my gigs into April have been cancelled along with rehearsals and other related stuff, so I’m perfecting the art of thumb-twiddling.

Speaking of the supermarket - my local Stop & Shop has instituted early morning hours (6:00 to 7:30) for geezers like me to get in there and do our shopping. We made up a list and I was going to go this morning, but we ran out yesterday and got a lot of what we needed so my wife let me sleep in until 8:00. I told her I was disappoint because I wanted to go to the store and hang out with the olds. :)

Being able to take long walks on the empty streets and campus is going to save my sanity, as well as keeping me exercised. I’m making a habit of going out once a day to pick up takeout and whatever else I need.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:29:13am
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:29:39am

re: #217 sagehen

You could join the #togetherathome concert series.

John Legend, Charlie Puth, Chris Martin, Common, Keith Urban… If this thing really goes on for six months, we’re going to run out of famous top 40 types.

(also… all the best museums have most of their collection on-line. Now you’ve got time.

Harvard, Yale and Stanford have for a long had a lot of their most famous professors’ lectures online, and now you’ve got the time. David Blight’s civil war course is 27 hours

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.

The entire MIT lecture series is free online. Become that quantum physicist or AI expert you never thought you’d have time to become.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:29:48am

re: #225 BeachDem

Case in point for Rubin:

The descent of the GOP into authoritarian know-nothingism

It is not as if anti-intellectualism suddenly appeared with the election of President Trump. The habitual rejection of expertise on everything from climate change to the economic impact of immigration has been rampant in the Republican Party for some time…

Trump has merged the know-nothingism of right-wing populism with a far more dangerous intellectual evolution from defense of limited-government conservatism, which was formerly at the heart of modern conservatism, to outright worship of authoritarianism. Now, far too many conservatives have reverence for executive power and reject constitutional government.

washingtonpost.com

Honestly, as a caretaker/transitional President, I think Biden might be the best we could hope for. A career legislator who respects the role of Congress in the federal government might help us backtrack from some of the abuses of power. PS, I am almost positive I knew who Joe was talking about when he promised a black woman on SCOTUS and she’s a great pick. And hell I think would have been Obama’s had the Dems the Senate when Scalia died.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:30:00am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How is everyone holding up on a personal level though? I have to admit although health wise I feel fine, I’m getting a little bit on edge. I was preparing to cook some French toast this morning when a porcelain plate crashed and gashed my right pinky. Hurt like hell but I got some hot water on it and then some alcohol and bandaged it up. Fortunately, it’s not my dominant hand. Hurts still a bit though. Maybe I’ll get a neat little scar of it I dunno.

I can work from home and will still get a pay check, and I’m introverted anyway, so I’m handling things well so far. But I know i’ll soon miss my weekly church service and fellowship, along with my regular exercise routine—I started up with a personal trainer at a crossfit gym at the end of January. My back is already starting to stiffen up again. My personal trainer has sent me some workouts to do at home and I borrowed some equipment from the gym before it closed. Overall, doing well, but the longer this goes on, and it may go on for quite some time, the more unintended will be the consequences.

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:30:06am

re: #229 Skip Intro

He’s an automatic skip every time his stuff appears in the Post, along with Hugh Hewitt.

Oh God I LOATHE HEWITT

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:30:08am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:30:48am

re: #230 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Being able to take long walks on the empty streets and campus is going to save my sanity, as well as keeping me exercised. I’m making a habit of going out once a day to pick up takeout and whatever else I need.

I’m compiling a list of local places that do takeout and now delivery.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:30:51am

Something I’m concerned about is if this thing becomes really bad, a lot of people will default their mortgages and then property values will sink. Which means it would take me years for my property value to go back to where it is now. I’d be trapped in it. is this a legitimate concern, and if so, should I sell now?

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:31:52am

re: #217 sagehen

You could join the #togetherathome concert series.

John Legend, Charlie Puth, Chris Martin, Common, Keith Urban… If this thing really goes on for six months, we’re going to run out of famous top 40 types.

(also… all the best museums have most of their collection on-line. Now you’ve got time.

Harvard, Yale and Stanford have for a long had a lot of their most famous professors’ lectures online, and now you’ve got the time. David Blight’s civil war course is 27 hours

I did catch Dropkick Murphys’ St. Pat’s show the other night, and LeftyRambles alerted me to the amazing Frank Turner’s Facebook concert Tuesday afternoon.

My wife and I signed up for membership at The Met, and we’re disappointed that we aren’t able to go and see their exhibits in person. But online may be the way to go.

I do have a smattering of web work to keep me busy, and I’ve got a guitar here in the office and I’m taking breaks to get some practice in, for whenever the gigs start up again.

It’s been overcast and raining on and off here for a couple of days, and that always kinda kills my mood. It would be so much easier to self-isolate if it were sunny outside…

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:32:02am

re: #228 BigPapa

Calling it the Wuhan virus to punish communists? Not only is this not serious, it foments hate and xenophobia. Fuck that.

If we’re going to do that let’s call it the Communist/Conservative Virus because the American conservatives did the same thing the Chinese communist government did. Except wingnuts took longer to take it serious and were more glib assholes about it, and continue to be glib assholes.

Gonna stick with coron-al-lago virus.

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:32:24am

re: #205 cat-tikvah

Thiessen column if behind paywall:
.

I am pretty sure our host frowns on posting columns in their entirety, probably especially ones behind a paywall.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:33:14am

He looks more orange than usual.

“Everything looks much nicer, now.”

We’ve always been at war with the Chinese Virus.

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BigPapa  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:34:00am

re: #240 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Gonna stick with coron-al-lago virus.

Yes. It is hereby decreed, henceforth and forevermore.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:34:06am

re: #232 Belafon

The entire MIT lecture series is free online. Become that quantum physicist or AI expert you never thought you’d have time to become.

I sincerely hope we’re not all cooped up for THAT long!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:34:07am

Bragging about getting hostages out of Lebanon now.

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lizardofid  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:34:49am

re: #238 Ace Rothstein

Something I’m concerned about is if this thing becomes really bad, a lot of people will default their mortgages and then property values will sink. Which means it would take me years for my property value to go back to where it is now. I’d be trapped in it. is this a legitimate concern, and if so, should I sell now?

I’m curious. Are you thinking of renting for a while?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:35:15am

Bragging about getting rid of the ISIS caliphate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:35:43am

re: #230 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Being able to take long walks on the empty streets and campus is going to save my sanity, as well as keeping me exercised. I’m making a habit of going out once a day to pick up takeout and whatever else I need.

I got vineyards to hike through. Lovely spring weather today, 60-ish and mostly sunny.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:37:05am

“it’s too bad because we had the best economy ever just two weeks ago….”

This guy

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:37:29am
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BigPapa  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:37:38am

Infrastructure Week is fucking lit!

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:37:50am

re: #230 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Being able to take long walks on the empty streets and campus is going to save my sanity, as well as keeping me exercised. I’m making a habit of going out once a day to pick up takeout and whatever else I need.

We went to a nearby park and walked out on the beach for a bit. Cuomo has waived all state park fees, so a lot of people had the same idea - but the closest we got to another human was about 50 feet.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:38:34am

Bragging now about slashing red tape

This is a profoundly unserious person.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:38:41am

re: #246 lizardofid

I’m thinking of renting forever lol.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:39:30am

Guy’s talking about vaccines which are a long way away.

What about Supplies!??!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:39:53am

He’s babbling

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:40:27am

re: #170 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How is everyone holding up on a personal level though? I have to admit although health wise I feel fine, I’m getting a little bit on edge. I was preparing to cook some French toast this morning when a porcelain plate crashed and gashed my right pinky. Hurt like hell but I got some hot water on it and then some alcohol and bandaged it up. Fortunately, it’s not my dominant hand. Hurts still a bit though. Maybe I’ll get a neat little scar of it I dunno.

I’m doing okay. I went almost nuclear level anxious from last Wednesday to this Monday, to the point my doctor prescribed me anti-anxiety meds. However, my anxiety levels went down sharply on Monday night (not sure why) and I’ve been okay since. I was planning to start the anti-anxiety meds this weekend but I am little nervous because that’s not the kind of medication you can just stop and if shortages become an issue…

I also found out my brother MAY have been exposed to the virus from a coworker last week. He’s been working from home since Monday so if he was exposed it would had to have been this past Friday if not before. As of yesterday, he was not symptomatic.

I’m limiting my exposure to news to a few daily check ins and focusing on those things in my life that still bring me happiness: spending time with my pets, listening to music, spending time outdoors, writing, reading, etc, etc.

I have a number of important kids under the age of four in my life. One thing keeping me going has been my desire to, years from now, sit around a fire with them and tell them stories about the great pandemic of 2020. To that end, I’ve considered starting a daily journal so I have a record of my thoughts and feelings during this time.

Just got to keep it going one day at a time.

One good thing is I work for a communications company and our products will be needed by millions who are stuck at home, so my employment situation is stable for the time being.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:40:43am

re: #238 Ace Rothstein

I put my house up for sale in the fall, now on pins and needles waiting for the closing to go through in a few weeks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:41:30am

It is true that the economy, had it continued to thrive as it was doing until the start of March, could well have buoyed Trump to another victory.

Which also fully explains the way he prioritized his “response”:

Bankers and stock brokers first.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:41:54am

now bragging about…right to drive?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:42:12am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

now bragging about…right to drive?

Sorry, Right to Try?

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:42:13am

re: #237 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’m compiling a list of local places that do takeout and now delivery.

Also check the delivery services like Door Dash, Grub Hub, and whoever else there is.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:42:27am

Heh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:42:30am

re: #259 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is true that the economy, had it continued to thrive as it was doing until the start of March, could well have buoyed Trump to another victory.

Which also fully explains the way he prioritized his “response”:

Bankers and stock brokers first.

I had this same thought last night.

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cat-tikvah  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:42:45am

re: #241 danarchy

Thanks, will remember that. Edited original post.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:43:05am

I put the sourdough loaves in the oven and then grabbed the spray bottle to spritz water on them to make steam.

Something felt different about the spray bottle in my hand and I looked at it and realized I AM HOLDING THE FREAKING WINDEX.

Fortunately I did not squeeze the trigger & put the Windex back in its place under the sink and not on the island cart next to the water bottle.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:43:05am

re: #249 Sir John Barron

“it’s too bad because we had the best economy ever just two weeks ago….”

This guy

All he understands is what his dad taught him: Racism and the worth of a person measured in dollars.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:43:39am

Talking about drugs, spouting off names of things.

How about tests and supplies?

Hasn’t said anything about tests or supplies yet.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:44:08am

He’s still babbling

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:44:25am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:45:14am

re: #267 Belafon

All he understands is what his dad taught him: Racism and the worth of a person measured in dollars.

A woman’s worth = (how much money she has) - (how much she weighs)

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:45:44am

No one gets to be a star but Trump. So no expert can have the mic.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:46:40am

Thiessen is projecting like IMAX.

The Chinese covered up the extent of the crisis. Fact check: True.
Trump covered up the extent of the crisis: Fact check: True.
Trump sought to minimize the count to maximize the stock market gains and keep the economy humming. Fact check: True
Trump called it a hoax. True.
Trump said it would go from 15 to zero or almost zero within weeks. True.
Trump gutted the pandemic prevention team at the NSC and sought to gut funding for pandemic programs in NIH, CDC, etc., and still seeks massive and deep cuts to SNAP and health care programs in his FY 20-21 budget. True.

Even if the Chinese lied at the outset, they ultimately admitted to a huge problem, and the WHO indicated a major problem. We had 15 cases in January. Trump didn’t make aggressive testing a priority. We had 546 cases in March 9. Trump didn’t make aggressive testing a priority. We now have pushing 10,000 cases and 150 dead. Trump still isn’t making aggressive testing a priority. Want to limit the spread? Everyone needs testing in a given location. Italy did it in a town of 3,000. That got the spread of new cases down to zero. South Korea has blunted the spread in the same fashion.

The US continues to see exponential growth.

We saw 4 rounds of doubling in 10 days. It doubled every 2.5 days. That means in another 10 days - we could see… 20,000; 40,000; 80,000; and 160,000 confirmed diagnosed. If 15% of those are hospitalized, you’d have 24,000 additional hospitalizations. With a mortality rate of 1% (10x higher than the flu, you’re looking at 1,600). But if this spreads through nursing homes, active adult communities, and high risk populations, the death rate would be much higher. Current mortality rate in US (9415/ 150 dead via JHU - 1.5% or 15 higher than the annual flu). That pushes the death toll at the end of the month to 2,400.

It’s the math. Bend the curve, and those numbers go down.

Don’t test, and don’t social distance? The numbers go up. Don’t act aggressively early enough? The numbers go up. Don’t test, and you watch it spread without anyone knowing that they’re carrying because mild cases are asymptomatic and can spread to those who could require hospitalization or die as a result of the exposures.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:46:42am

re: #238 Ace Rothstein

Something I’m concerned about is if this thing becomes really bad, a lot of people will default their mortgages and then property values will sink. Which means it would take me years for my property value to go back to where it is now. I’d be trapped in it. is this a legitimate concern, and if so, should I sell now?

I was just looking at real estate data for San Diego county. At least here there has been pretty steady appreciation since 2012. However, housing stock on the market is getting very low. This was up to a couple of weeks ago.

The bottom must have fallen out of the market this week. Given that even going to open houses is now on hold, though private showings are of course possible.

Just looked on Zillow and in certain neighborhoods several properties just came on the market this week. These neighborhoods usually sell very quickly. I saved some of those properties to see how they will play out in weeks to come.

The very top of the market (over $2.5M) has for a year or so seen houses sit on the market for two or three hundred days. Very sluggish in the luxury house market.

If you want to sell now go to Zillow and see what other properties are for sale in your neighborhood, and how long they’ve been on the market. Then look for a website that collates real estate data for your town and see how the prices have tracked and the available stock.

My belief is that the crisis is going to wreck the market in most places, because mortgage writers are going to be very skittish and buyers are afraid of losing their sources of income.

OTOH, if a super-stimulus goes through and dumps trillions of dollars into the economy, the ensuing inflation (eventually) will mean real estate is a good ride, if you can hang on a few years.

Just my opinion.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:46:50am

re: #263 teleskiguy

Heh.

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When Autocorrect gets it right.

Or a comedian gets it really right.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:47:14am

This is deeply embarrassing and infuriating.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:47:29am

re: #270 jaunte

Arrrgh. I knew this would fucking happen. I called it weeks ago.

Here’s what is ACTUALLY happening: Doctors are testing several existing drugs to see if they are effective against the virus. They are NOT cures, but being explored as a means of reducing symptoms and speeding recovery.

But it will take time to see if they work and even LONGER to mass produce and distribute if they do work.

There is a silver lining: Two of the meds being tested are easy to manufacture, low cost generic versions of brand name drugs, so IF (big IF) they are proven effective, it shouldn’t be difficult to mass produce and distribute them at a reasonable cost.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:47:35am

Is Trump speaking? Is that why the markets are rallying? Don’t they know by now every thing he says is a LIE?

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:47:48am

re: #266 The Pie Overlord!

Windex is the solution for all health ailments /My Big Fat Greek Wedding. /

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:47:49am

re: #270 jaunte

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Not listening, but is he referring to Favipiravir the Japanese drug that early tests show is pretty effective at alleviating the symptoms?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:48:55am

“A very exciting time for medicine….”

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:49:12am

“Everybody is staying home.”

My dude….

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:49:19am

re: #265 cat-tikvah

Thanks, will remember that. Edited original post.

The standard I was given these many years ago was four paragraphs max.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:49:40am

Back to the “best economy we ever had.”

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:49:54am

Maybe we should blame the virus on big ammo: Gun Sales Spike.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:50:06am

Is the stock market closed? I would hope so, or else he’s gonna bust it.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:50:11am

re: #266 The Pie Overlord!

A few days ago my wife used a plastic water bottle for vinegar while she was cleaning the bathroom. Of course that was the bottle I picked up in the middle of the night to grab a big refreshing swig of water.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:50:29am

re: #278 Dread Pirate

Is Trump speaking? Is that why the markets are rallying? Don’t they know by now every thing he says is a LIE?

When it speaks…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:51:20am

re: #286 Sir John Barron

Is the stock market closed? I would hope so, or else he’s gonna bust it.

It’s going up. I think this is mostly due to the fact that we’ve had several bad days in a row. It will not last.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:51:45am

Not sure why the FDA dude is the first one up here.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:51:49am

re: #280 danarchy

Possibly (see theguardian.com )

Doctors in Japan are using the same drug in clinical studies on coronavirus patients with mild to moderate symptoms, hoping it will prevent the virus from multiplying in patients.

But a Japanese health ministry source suggested the drug was not as effective in people with more severe symptoms. “We’ve given Avigan to 70 to 80 people, but it doesn’t seem to work that well when the virus has already multiplied,” the source told the Mainichi Shimbun.

Therapeutics will help in handling some cases that otherwise may overwhelm hospitals.

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Renaissance_Man  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:52:31am

re: #195 The Pie Overlord!

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unproven innocence  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:52:41am

[begin-sarcasm] Did some shopping on March 5 for my do-it-yourself Corona Virus home-testing and survival kit:
1) Electronic thermometer
2) Vitamin D (to be taken regularly and only as recommended)
3) Cough drops with Vitamin C
Results so far:
On March 16, and again March 18, I’ve noted very mild fever, but always under 100F. No other symptoms or changes to my general sense of well-being, except that I’m sleeping a little better. [end-sarcasm]

But in all seriousness, at some point (and we may be there already) instances of COVID-19 in the US will greatly outnumber instances of ordinary seasonal flu, and a cheap thermometer may then be as close as most of us can get to a practical check, for deciding when to self-isolate, if one can. And take at least 2 readings per day, so you can know what is normal for you.

Experts say that virus-shedding is highest when symptoms initially develop, and even shortly before. Mild fever seems to be at the top of the list of several symptoms/indicators of COVID-19.

I’m retired, so I’m self-isolating for the rest of March.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:52:47am

re: #280 danarchy

Not listening, but is he referring to Favipiravir the Japanese drug that early tests show is pretty effective at alleviating the symptoms?

There are several promising treatments being tried in many places. Unfortunately there are many patients and places to try them.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:52:54am
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:54:26am

The EU is trying to get all of the streaming services to stop showing HD movies to reduce the load on the internet: cnn.com.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:54:46am

Lre: #295 jaunte

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What leadership? Was it calling it a hoax or insisting he should be able to call it Kung Flu.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:54:50am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:55:20am

re: #297 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

L

What leadership? Was it calling it a hoax or insisting he should be able to call it Kung Flu.

Also China Virus. Very Leadership.

//

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:55:21am

re: #296 Belafon

The EU is trying to get all of the streaming services to stop showing HD movies to reduce the load on the internet: cnn.com.

Glad I have a big DVD/Blu Ray collection.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:56:29am

re: #296 Belafon

The EU is trying to get all of the streaming services to stop showing HD movies to reduce the load on the internet: cnn.com.

Good idea. We can all survive the resolution we all lived with a few years back.

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calochortus  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:56:43am

re: #160 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So a couple of minutes ago I felt an earthquake… but it didn’t immediate register on the USGS map site, but is there now:

earthquake.usgs.gov

Not very large, and close enough that the different waves were not discernible. Shook the building though.

We had one of those a few years ago. Quarter of a mile from us. S and P waves arrived simultaneously which was kind of interesting. Had it been larger it would have been less “interesting” and more of a problem.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:58:02am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:58:50am

re: #184 makeitstop

Second thought: Tulski’s endorsement of Biden is being done out of sheer self-interest. It indicates that she realizes the danger of losing her existing gig. I doubt it will help at this point.

Also - Bernie, you’re next.

Wow. When even Tulsi Gabbard does the right thing before you do…

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:58:52am

Is every fucking expert trotted out on stage ORDERED to provide Trump with a vigorous ball-washing? Christ. This is sickening.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:59:45am

Pence: “We continue to make steady progress. Trump has … harnessed the power of the private sector.”

TRANSLATION: We’re giving billions away to our cronies.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 8:59:54am

re: #233 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Honestly, as a caretaker/transitional President, I think Biden might be the best we could hope for. A career legislator who respects the role of Congress in the federal government might help us backtrack from some of the abuses of power. PS, I am almost positive I knew who Joe was talking about when he promised a black woman on SCOTUS and she’s a great pick. And hell I think would have been Obama’s had the Dems the Senate when Scalia died.

Whoever takes over after Trump is going to walk into a disaster so huge that it will make what Obama stepped into look like a time of calm and tranquility. BTW, as of today your share of the national debt is $400,000.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:00:01am

re: #299 Sir John Barron

Also China Virus. Very Leadership.

//

right because the other one was called “The Spain Flu” smdh

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:00:51am

re: #304 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Wow. When even Tulsi Gabbard does the right thing before you do…

Hell, she’s not even running for re-election in the House, so it’s not even about protecting her current gig. I thought for sure she’d be offered the Green Party nomination and take it.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:02:00am
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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:02:14am

re: #306 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Pence: “We continue to make steady progress. Trump has … harnessed the power of the private sector.”

TRANSLATION: We’re giving billions away to our cronies.

The private sector is responding by losing a third of the value of publicly traded businesses in a month.

So I got that goin for me which is nice

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:02:47am

re: #308 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

right because the other one was called “The Spain Flu” smdh

although there is no evidence it originated in Spain

FFS

but the talking point again is that it is something that was sent by a foreign dictatorship to wreck or economy and society and ultimately deprive us of our Greatest President Ever

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:03:15am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:03:32am

re: #266 The Pie Overlord!

I put the sourdough loaves in the oven and then grabbed the spray bottle to spritz water on them to make steam.

Something felt different about the spray bottle in my hand and I looked at it and realized I AM HOLDING THE FREAKING WINDEX.

Fortunately I did not squeeze the trigger & put the Windex back in its place under the sink and not on the island cart next to the water bottle.

Ah, Windex…..the secret ingredient that makes everything better, from sourdough to soup!!

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:04:16am

re: #312 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

although there is no evidence it originated in Spain

FFS

but the talking point again is that it is something that was sent by a foreign dictatorship to wreck or economy and society and ultimately deprive us of our Greatest President Ever

From what I’ve read recently, it got the name because the outbreak happened during WWI and since Spain was neutral, they didn’t have restrictions on the press, so a free(ish) press was able to report on the epidemic there.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:04:24am

re: #270 jaunte

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LOL he’s flailing. The stench of flop sweat is overwhelming - I can smell it all the way over here in Europe.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:07:19am

Thread

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peguyjaures  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:08:40am

The controversy about Ibuprofen and Covid-19 reminds me how much medicine is still an art as much as it is a science, with different cultural spheres. In fact the advice against Ibuprofen is pretty much rooted in the French medical culture: French doctor NEVER prescribe Ibuprofen when they suspect a viral infection. The idea being that fever is part of the body’s first line of defense against viruses, and that it is better to let it run its course so that the illness does not move to the next stage. Is this true? Well it’s probably a matter of culture, and other medical cultures feel differently.
More date would be needed to know is there is an effect regarding the evolution of Covid-19. In the meantime, I will follow the advice of French doctors if I feel sick, knowing that it might just be a cultural thing… Not that I use any kind of painkillers anyways - maybe about one or two pills of paracetamol/acetaminophen a year…

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:08:52am

People are dying from Trump’s ego sickness.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:08:53am

re: #273 lawhawk

True enough, initially, the Chinese covered up the extent of the COVID-19 outbreak. However, once they realized the sheer scope of it - along with the realization that it had gotten out of hand completely - they fessed up as to what was going on.

Should they have taken matters more seriously at first? Of course, that goes without saying. And heads will roll (quite like literally as well as figuratively) as a result. And the Chinese will have learned a painful lesson, and at great cost.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:09:50am

re: #278 Dread Pirate

Is Trump speaking? Is that why the markets are rallying? Don’t they know by now every thing he says is a LIE?

He’s going to do this every goddamed day until November, isn’t he?

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:10:11am

re: #317 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Thread

“Crimson Horror” (pronounced with a silent h) sounds so much better.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:10:30am

re: #291 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Possibly (see theguardian.com )

Therapeutics will help in handling some cases that otherwise may overwhelm hospitals.

That also tells me that early detection is paramount.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:11:05am

re: #319 jaunte

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People are dying from Trump’s ego sickness.

Looks like Trump is holding a gun on the doctor hidden by the podium…..

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:11:16am

If you take chloroquine you can not donate blood
I was banned from donations by the military for a few years.
I took chloroquine almost constantly from early 1985 until 1990

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aatharuv  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:11:33am

re: #309 KGxvi

Hell, she’s not even running for re-election in the House, so it’s not even about protecting her current gig. I thought for sure she’d be offered the Green Party nomination and take it.

See my comment above at being pissed off at Sanders.
re: #207 aatharuv

Or on a more cynical note, she would be more credible as a Fox contributor if she actually supported Biden.

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unproven innocence  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:13:11am

re: #323 Dr Lizardo

That also tells me that early detection is paramount.

I’ve decided that a thermometer, used 2 or more times per day, is as close as I (and most of us) can get to that.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:13:18am

Let the Force choking commence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:14:44am

re: #327 unproven innocence

I’ve decided that a thermometer, used 2 or more times per day, is as close as I (and most of us) can get to that.

it has been an early spring and early allergy season, so every time I sneeze I feel compelled to check the thermometer. Everything okay so far…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:15:37am

re: #328 jaunte

Asked why he isn’t pulling the trigger re using Defense Production Act, Trump says: “Governors are supposed to be doing a lot of this work…the federal government’s not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of item and then shipping. You know, we’re not a shipping clerk.”.

Translation “I’M NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!”

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:16:30am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:16:57am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:18:43am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:19:35am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:20:08am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:20:16am

Now I am craving waffles.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:22:02am

re: #328 jaunte

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Let the Force choking commence.

GOVERNORS DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMMANDEER FACTORIES AND MAKE THEM MAKE VENTILATORS AND MASKS. ONLY THE PRESIDENT HAS THAT AUTHORITY.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:22:49am

JFC

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:25:15am

JFC ON A BARBED WIRE TIGHTROPE OVER MT. DOOM.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:28:03am

re: #338 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Are the people who have to stand on stage with him every day the ones who drew the losing straw? Except Pence, of course. He loves basking in Dear Leader’s warmth and wisdom.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:28:22am

re: #338 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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The whining ffs

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:29:10am
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:30:03am

re: #337 sagehen

GOVERNORS DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMMANDEER FACTORIES AND MAKE THEM MAKE VENTILATORS AND MASKS. ONLY THE PRESIDENT HAS THAT AUTHORITY.

The governors of Michigan and California should start comandeering the factories and force them to convert and state that Trump has authorized it.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:32:12am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:33:10am

re: #344 jaunte

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:35:47am

The dow is now slightly in the red.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:37:18am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:39:43am

re: #263 teleskiguy

Heh.

Putin’s check bounced. The Saudi oil price war is working. //(maybe)

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:40:17am

re: #332 jaunte

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oh i think we have a good idea…

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:40:24am

More live stuff on the way, from Jack White…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:41:22am

re: #337 sagehen

GOVERNORS DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMMANDEER FACTORIES AND MAKE THEM MAKE VENTILATORS AND MASKS. ONLY THE PRESIDENT HAS THAT AUTHORITY.

you think anyone in this admin knows this?

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:42:17am

re: #351 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

you think anyone in this admin knows this?

Biden should give a press conference about it.

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BeachDem  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:45:38am

Boston—this will make you smile (even though you all hate the Red Sox and anything related to them in any way…)

thebull1017.iheart.com

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VegasGolfer  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:47:44am

Who is that DUNT that just asked drumph about all the news media that against him?

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:49:59am

Excerpts from a thread on the Burr recording.

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BeachDem  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:52:01am

Short, sweet and to the point:

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:56:13am

re: #354 VegasGolfer

Who is that DUNT that just asked drumph about all the news media that against him?

OANN

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:56:52am

re: #349 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

oh i think we have a good idea…

Narrator: None of it is in fact true.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:57:05am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:58:46am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:59:09am

re: #328 jaunte

Let the Force choking commence.

Also, “I have been Very serious about this the Whole time, very serious.”

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mmmirele  Mar 19, 2020 • 9:59:50am

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:05:17am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:07:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:07:06am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:07:30am
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Mattand  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:11:24am

Anyone send this to Dana Bash yet?

Trump Repeatedly Goes After Media In Meandering Press Conference

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:11:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:11:38am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:12:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:13:36am

The whole “Chinese virus” discussion is a red herring to divert us from the fact that he is doing very little to prepare us for a further spread of the virus. Instead it is all about directing blame on a foreign dictatorship and domestic traitors.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:14:00am

I think his line about how the purchasing and production is supposed to be done by the states is going to linger. He wants to be a War Time President and also to absolve himself of all responsibility.

A week from now he’ll be trying to disappear this statement, saying Oh Yeah I Was Always For The Federal Government Ordering This Production.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:14:32am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:14:48am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:15:31am

CRACKDOWN! Possession with intent to distribute.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:15:57am

re: #367 Mattand

Anyone send this to Dana Bash yet?

Trump Repeatedly Goes After Media In Meandering Press Conference

“Meandering” sounds awfully generous for this “press conference”.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:16:23am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The whole “Chinese virus” discussion is a red herring to divert us from the fact that he is doing very little to prepare us for a further spread of the virus. Instead it is all about directing blame on a foreign dictatorship and domestic traitors.

It’s not a diversion. It’s an invitation for his supporters to harass and attack Asian people.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:17:38am

re: #369 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

So it wouldn’t be a Chinese virus.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:18:07am

re: #370 Patricia Kayden

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+1 for “bungling crackpottery”

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Mattand  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:18:09am

re: #376 Sir John Barron

“Meandering” sounds awfully generous for this “press conference”.

I’m just starting to check in on the day’s news. It does look like TPM is really underselling the bullshit on this one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:18:23am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:18:46am

re: #371 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The whole “Chinese virus” discussion is a red herring to divert us from the fact that he is doing very little to prepare us for a further spread of the virus. Instead it is all about directing blame on a foreign dictatorship and domestic traitors.

he needs a bogeyman to focus on

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:20:53am

Latest Italian figures came in and wow, over 5k new cases, 427 more deaths.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:22:25am

re: #382 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

he needs a bogeyman to focus on

His whole career is boogeymen.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:23:50am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:25:40am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:26:31am

re: #384 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Latest Italian figures came in and wow, over 5k new cases, 427 more deaths.

Italy is about to overtake China in reported deaths, currently 2,978 vs. 3,249.
We aren’t getting the truth from the Chinese, nowhere close.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:26:36am

re: #386 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Cake - The Distance (Official Video)

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:26:50am

Looking for things to do: Watch the Aquatic Animals at Monterey Bay Aquarium via These Free Live Streams, This is Collosal.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:27:16am

I am so stressed right now only waffles can make me feel better.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:27:45am

re: #374 Patricia Kayden

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Mattand  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:28:36am

re: #383 The Pie Overlord!

God, I was thinking the other day how I have no memory of H1N1 being the apocalypse that Covid is. Came to this same conclusion. Thanks, Obama!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:29:43am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:32:39am

The Italian figures should scare people.

It’s what happens when a health care system is overwhelmed.

At the current pace, Italy will overtake China in cases in 8 days, or less. Italy has already overtaken China in deaths (at least the official death toll from China.)

Also, South Korea keeps reporting a steady stream of new cases and deaths. In no way is SARS-Cov-2 under control in that country.

Right now I fear for Florida - a lot of old folks in retirement communities and nursing homes, a lot of young people partying like there is no tomorrow, and a state government run by Republicans who were lackadaisical when they should have been locking down hard.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:32:59am

re: #391 The Pie Overlord!

I am so stressed right now only waffles can make me feel better.

I’m going to gain 50 pounds if I’m not careful.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:33:20am
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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:33:51am

re: #387 The Pie Overlord!

The FDNY had to break up Hasidic weddings over the past few days as they ignore the orders and requests to stop holding events over 500 people, and to cut attendance. Just because you move them outside doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:35:44am

re: #395 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Italian figures should scare people.

It’s what happens when a health care system is overwhelmed.

At the current pace, Italy will overtake China in cases in 8 days, or less. Italy has already overtaken China in deaths (at least the official death toll from China.)

Also, South Korea keeps reporting a steady stream of new cases and deaths. In no way is SARS-Cov-2 under control in that country.

Right now I fear for Florida - a lot of old folks in retirement communities and nursing homes, a lot of young people partying like there is no tomorrow, and a state government run by Republicans who were lackadaisical when they should have been locking down hard.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:35:56am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:36:21am

re: #395 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The Italian figures should scare people.

It’s what happens when a health care system is overwhelmed.

At the current pace, Italy will overtake China in cases in 8 days, or less. Italy has already overtaken China in deaths (at least the official death toll from China.)

Also, South Korea keeps reporting a steady stream of new cases and deaths. In no way is SARS-Cov-2 under control in that country.

Right now I fear for Florida - a lot of old folks in retirement communities and nursing homes, a lot of young people partying like there is no tomorrow, and a state government run by Republicans who were lackadaisical when they should have been locking down hard.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:36:36am

re: #184 makeitstop

Second thought: Tulski’s endorsement of Biden is being done out of sheer self-interest. It indicates that she realizes the danger of losing her existing gig. I doubt it will help at this point.

Also - Bernie, you’re next.

She announced that she’s not running for re-election months ago. The upside for her is that she wont’ be a pariah like the Republicans will.

IOW she can see where this is all headed.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:37:42am

re: #398 lawhawk

The FDNY had to break up Hasidic weddings over the past few days as they ignore the orders and requests to stop holding events over 500 people, and to cut attendance. Just because you move them outside doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

It’s a shame we already sent all of the telephone santizers off world.

Seriously, though, that’s going to be a line of work for a while. We’ll just have to figure out how to pay them.

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Mattand  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:38:50am

re: #398 lawhawk

The FDNY had to break up Hasidic weddings over the past few days as they ignore the orders and requests to stop holding events over 500 people, and to cut attendance. Just because you move them outside doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

Philly has been surprisingly quiet in comparison to next-door neighbor, Montgomery County. Right now it’s 33 vs 47 reported cases. I think both are underreported, but it’s seems like Philly may be seriously underreported.

Also just saw that Philly International Airport is laying off workers now. But the important thing is that Trump threatened the press for being mean to him.

God, I hate this guy…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:40:04am
“U.S. hospitals and medical professionals are asking for $100 billion in direct financial assistance from Congress to respond to the coronavirus pandemic, with some hospitals already running short of supplies for both patients and health care workers in virus hot spots like Seattle,” NBC News reports.

sorry, nope.

airlines asked first.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:41:12am

re: #173 makeitstop

Walsh

I’d go find the other ones, but I’ve got work to do.

Thanks for providing the article.

He apologises profusely in the original article that Huffington Post pulled from for working to elect Trump.

He does not apologise for supporting and continuing to support the religion that spawned Trump (conservatism), and continues to support it.

As someone above said, “I tire of this argument.”

I don’t because conservatism kills, in all countries and in all times throughout history where it takes root and drives the minds of society.

However, in the interest of comity here, I will stop talking about this religion too.

In the meantime, I have a blizzard to prepare for, along with my likely loss of power and Internet service.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:41:24am

re: #404 Mattand

I agree. DT is not well liked in Philly. At least Mayor Kenney and Gov Wolf are doing what they can with this situation.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:41:49am

re: #362 mmmirele

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:42:16am

re: #404 Mattand

I think the biggest unknown right now is just how many tests are being run in each of these places.

We know Trump hasn’t delivered on the million tests promised. They’re not available. They’re not being distributed at anything resembling 1 million tests in short order.

How many tests has Philly had? PA?

We know WV now has 2 cases, but they ran all of like 50 tests since this started before announcing their first case, so we know that they weren’t reporting because they weren’t testing.

We know that NYC is testing, and trying to get more aggressive in testing, but that’s running up against the availability of tests.

We are falling behind - quickly.

Trump had 6 weeks to be ready for this (losing all of February to ramp things up bigly), all while claiming it was a hoax until it was too late.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:42:22am

His whole “The states should buy their own supplies and order companies to produce the supplies on their own” is, beyond being totally BS garbage, not even logical given what he’s been doing this whole week, hosting these dog and pony shows with various affected industries. If governors and states are supposed to be responsible for ordering the production and the buying of all medical supplies, then by the same logic (I know, I know), the states should also be responsible for the companies operating from their states.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:44:11am

re: #410 Sir John Barron

His whole “The states should buy their own supplies and order companies to produce the supplies on their own” is, beyond being totally BS garbage…

He still wants to be able to use federal aid as leverage to get New York State to abandon its investigations into him.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:44:33am

re: #409 lawhawk

I think the biggest unknown right now is just how many tests are being run in each of these places.

We know Trump hasn’t delivered on the million tests promised. They’re not available. They’re not being distributed at anything resembling 1 million tests in short order.

How many tests has Philly had? PA?

We know WV now has 2 cases, but they ran all of like 50 tests since this started before announcing their first case, so we know that they weren’t reporting because they weren’t testing.

We know that NYC is testing, and trying to get more aggressive in testing, but that’s running up against the availability of tests.

We are falling behind - quickly.

Trump had 6 weeks to be ready for this (losing all of February to ramp things up bigly), all while claiming it was a hoax until it was too late.

“We’re going to deliver millions of millions of tests immediately and also all these tests are the states responsibility the federal government is not a purchasing clerk.”

/

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:45:01am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes. That sounds like DT.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:46:00am

Death is 8.3% of total cases and 43% of closed cases in Italy.

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garzooma  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:47:16am

re: #395 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

[…]
Right now I fear for Florida - a lot of old folks in retirement communities and nursing homes, a lot of young people partying like there is no tomorrow, and a state government run by Republicans who were lackadaisical when they should have been locking down hard.

Politico reported yesterday that it may already be in a number of nursing homes:

Coronavirus surfaces in 19 elder care facilities in Florida

Nineteen long-term care facilities in Florida have either a suspected or confirmed case of the coronavirus, including two confirmed cases in Duval and Broward counties.

Agency for Health Care Administration Secretary Mary Mayhew said she could not divulge the name or addresses of the nursing facilities, citing patient privacy requirements. She said she would look into providing more information in aggregate.

[…]

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:50:26am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

Well I did not see this coming.

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Maybe Tulsi did the right thing because she understands the magnitude of the crisis we are facing, that normal partisan politics needs to be put aside. No doubt if coronavirus had not appeared, she would have probably taken on the Green Party mantle; she is a very attractive and effective spokesperson for her ideas. But this is a nightmare that is bringing down the world economy and may engulf us in a new Great Depression.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:51:20am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:55:37am
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Teukka  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:56:07am

Shamelessly plugging Kurtzgesagt:

The Coronavirus Explained & What You Should Do

And for the soundtrack afficianados:

Click to Reveal

Corona Virus – Soundtrack (2020)

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 10:56:16am

re: #391 The Pie Overlord!

I am so stressed right now only waffles can make me feel better.

I feel a little better now.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:00:18am
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A Mom Anon  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:00:50am

re: #420 The Pie Overlord!

I made some chocolate chip ones last night for comfort food. I used whipped cream instead of butter and syrup on top.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:01:49am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:02:36am

re: #421 goddamnedfrank

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Why would 2/3 refuse?
2/3!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:04:30am

re: #424 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Why would 2/3 refuse?
2/3!

Why were they even allowed to refuse? It should have been a condition for getting off the boat.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:07:12am

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

Why were they even allowed to refuse? It should have been a condition for getting off the boat.

somebody at the top was giving orders

someone who does not want figures to explode…someone who “likes the numbers we have already”.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:07:23am

re: #398 lawhawk

The FDNY had to break up Hasidic weddings over the past few days as they ignore the orders and requests to stop holding events over 500 people, and to cut attendance. Just because you move them outside doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:08:39am

re: #321 Skip Intro

He’s going to do this every goddamed day until November, isn’t he?

No. He’s not going to make it that far.

Everyone is reacting to what’s happening now instead of actually trying to forecast seven months out. Public opinion is a massively lagging indicator because most Americans have decrepit imaginations.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:10:14am

Crackpot theory here!!!

Click to Reveal

What if Trump is actively trying to destroy this nation? We know that over the past years, he has had frequent private conversations with Putin. What if he has been following Putin’s suggestions on handling the virus?

Ok Ok — too tinfoil even for those who are tinfoilish?. Probably just Trump being the solipsist he is and thinking that the world revolves around him. It’s too difficult for him to listen to or understand any advice from experts on the right measures to implement. He needs to be stopped now — by November there may be tens of thousands of deaths.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:10:24am

re: #391 The Pie Overlord!

I am so stressed right now only waffles can make me feel better.

That’s the difference between Orthodox and Reform Judaism. For me and mine, it’s chocolate.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:11:01am

Forget all that nonsense about discussing scenarios like this pandemic during the transition.

Here is this admin last year according to NYT

The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.”

“That scenario, code-named ‘Crimson Contagion,’ was simulated by the Trump administration’s Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.”

“The simulation’s sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:11:14am

re: #430 sagehen

That’s the difference between Orthodox and Reform Judaism. For me and mine, it’s chocolate.

I am noshing on chocolate too, just not for breakfast.

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Schweppes7  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:12:33am

re: #426 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The article suggests federal officials dissuaded them from being tested and that they can go home if not tested but would be forced to stay if they tested positive. This is insanely irresponsible given their likelihood of infection and asymptomatic transmission. If I was giving officials the benefit of the doubt, they did this because of the continued shortage of tests and need to prioritize them. But that still seems insanely irresponsible and this seems more geared towards keeping the numbers down or just standard administration incompetence, like the travel restrictions without resources that likely infected many more at the airports…..

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:13:17am

I was going to go to the kosher bodega today, for milk. I missed the “Seniors Only” hour, which is 7:00am-8:00am. I used to get up at 6:00am every morning to go to work but since retirement I like to sleep in.

Set the alarm.

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Mattand  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:14:02am

re: #429 Hecuba’s daughter

Crackpot theory here!!!

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Honestly, I was looking at the results of the MO Legislature up above on emergency Covid funding and all I can think of their reasoning is “We’ll take the hit if it takes out more Democrats, minorities, people we hate, etc.”

Pure “Blow up the Earth if I can’t rule it” supervillian shit.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:14:36am

re: #398 lawhawk

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

My building’s been disinfecting like a beast.

Usually they vacuum the carpets, mop the lobby and wipe doorknobs/elevators/other surfaces twice a week; now they’re doing it twice a day. The common areas all smell like Pine-Sol.

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:14:42am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:14:49am

Ya think?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:15:22am

re: #433 Schweppes7

The article suggests federal officials dissuaded them from being tested and that they can go home if not tested but would be forced to stay if they tested positive. This is insanely irresponsible given their likelihood of infection and asymptomatic transmission. If I was giving officials the benefit of the doubt, they did this because of the continued shortage of tests and need to prioritize them. But that still seems insanely irresponsible and this seems more geared towards keeping the numbers down or just standard administration incompetence, like the travel restrictions without resources that likely infected many more at the airports…..

This is kids in cages level of stupidity and just plain evilness

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:16:10am

re: #424 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

Why would 2/3 refuse?
2/3!

The last bit there about dissuading tests (probably because they don’t have enough and/or “we like the numbers where they are”) probably has something to do with it. More often than not when an “authority” figure highly suggests you do or not do something, people are going to follow that suggestion.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:18:00am

re: #435 Mattand

Honestly, I was looking at the results of the MO Legislature up above on emergency Covid funding and all I can think of their reasoning is “We’ll take the hit if it takes out more Democrats, minorities, people we hate, etc.”

Pure “Blow up the Earth if I can’t rule it” supervillian shit.

In FLA they decided to enforce paying off all your fines and court costs for the re.enfranchised felons.

Turns out there were more r’s than D’s affected. Oops

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:19:58am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:20:51am
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:22:51am
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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:24:27am

re: #427 The Pie Overlord!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:25:28am

re: #444 The Pie Overlord!

It’s Trumpvirus now.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:25:46am

re: #443 jaunte

What was the alleged bullshit being spewed? Fugate was Obama’s FEMA director for basically the entire administration.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:26:09am

Trump really doesn’t care that everyone know he’s a xenophobic racist piece of crap.

He wants to ignore the public health experts and the official title, because he thinks it deflects from his massive and total failure to prepare in the 6 weeks leading up to the widespread outbreak in the US. You know - the weeks where he was calling it a hoax.

Of course, now Fauci is MIA, which raises questions too - was he sidelined because he was speaking too much and too honestly about the Trumpworld failures from day 1?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:26:14am

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

Why were they even allowed to refuse? It should have been a condition for getting off the boat.

THAT is the question. And fucking A… No test, stay on the damn boat.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:26:45am

re: #447 KGxvi

Everything I heard seemed to be accurate. Maybe he just felt like FEMA was taking too much blame.

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Schweppes7  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:27:02am

re: #445 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:27:40am

re: #440 KGxvi

They didn’t have the tests available, so rationed them by highly suggesting that they weren’t necessary if you weren’t that close to those who were sick (except who’d know that if you were asymptomatic).

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:28:40am

re: #440 KGxvi

The last bit there about dissuading tests (probably because they don’t have enough and/or “we like the numbers where they are”) probably has something to do with it. More often than not when an “authority” figure highly suggests you do or not do something, people are going to follow that suggestion.

The truth is the truth. You have it or you don’t
I’m amazed that 2/3 don’t want to know

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Dread Pirate  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:29:37am

re: #453 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

The truth is the truth. You have it or you don’t
I’m amazed that 2/3 don’t want to know

They must be conservatives.

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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:30:27am

you mad, bruh?

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:31:00am

re: #444 The Pie Overlord!

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Like i said it’s deliberate

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:32:15am

re: #451 Schweppes7

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:32:30am

My sister cancelled the seder which typically has over 30 attendees. So it will just be my sister, my brother-in-law, and me. I’m spending most of my time there — but my house is only a mile from theirs. And typically there are no pedestrians on our suburban streets even when it’s a beautiful day with no health threats.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:33:00am

re: #442 jaunte

What’s a Greg Fugate?

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:34:17am

re: #459 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Former FEMA Director.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:34:31am

re: #458 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister cancelled the seder which typically has over 30 attendees. So it will just be my sister, my brother-in-law, and me. I’m spending most of my time there — but my house is only a mile from theirs. And typically there are no pedestrians on our suburban streets even when it’s a beautiful day with no health threats.

that part I don’t get, it is safe to be out and about on a walk if there are no crowds.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:34:36am

re: #459 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s a Greg Fugate?

Likley an entranceway or an exit

..Or about $6 an hour
..Or about 4 pounds

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:34:44am

re: #443 jaunte

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:38:27am

re: #461 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that part I don’t get, it is safe to be out and about on a walk if there are no crowds.

Crowds — no crowds — sun — no sun — warm — cold — virus — no virus — , unless you have a dog, it violates some ancient suburban tradition to walk outside.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:38:51am

re: #463 Backwoods_Sleuth

Decentralize and speed up the response by empowering the Governors.

especially since the mango moron and federal administration aren’t doing the job

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:40:42am

re: #455 gocart mozart

you mad, bruh?

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Florida Panhandler  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:43:02am

re: #367 Mattand

Anyone send this to Dana Bash yet?

Trump Repeatedly Goes After Media In Meandering Press Conference

As prison bars close in on Trump as the market has crumbled the Krazy from this administration us now in full swing. By this time next year prosecutors will be accepting plea bargains for cooperation in sending Trump, members of his family, and many members of his administration past and present to long jail sentences. But until then, the Krazy will continue and expand. The most fringe and militant of the hard right will be called upon to save this sorry excuse of a “President” from justice to no avail. By this time 2 years from now Trump, former President of the United States, will be in prison.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:43:05am

re: #465 Backwoods_Sleuth

especially since the mango moron and federal administration aren’t doing the job

and he’s telling the governors to do the (his) job

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:43:11am

re: #395 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

…..

Also, South Korea keeps reporting a steady stream of new cases and deaths. In no way is SARS-Cov-2 under control in that country.
…

South Korea has the highest number of new cases in over a week, 60% higher than yesterday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:44:49am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:45:52am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:46:09am

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

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file the ‘slander’ lawsuit
i dare you

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:47:48am

re: #468 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

and he’s telling the governors to do the (his) job

Bright side? He’s setting the stage for potential reforms that would make the presidency less powerful.

Not really sure anymore if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. But it’s definitely a thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:48:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:50:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:51:43am

re: #464 Hecuba’s daughter

Crowds — no crowds — sun — no sun — warm — cold — virus — no virus — , unless you have a dog, it violates some ancient suburban tradition to walk outside.

this is true…I recall that from my sister’s tract house in West Phoenix…nowhere to walk in any case except around the block and back.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:52:01am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:52:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:53:24am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

Carnival offers idled cruise ships as temporary hospitals

on the one hand, this could help redeem their reputation, but it also means that “Princess” and “Corona” will be even more closely linked in the public consciousness…

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:53:47am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:54:05am

With the latest France report the global death total is getting close to 10k. We didn’t even spend a full day in the nine thousand range.

I give Trump about another week before he gives up and goes golfing.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:54:06am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are the ravens still flying?

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:54:42am

re: #318 peguyjaures

The controversy about Ibuprofen and Covid-19 reminds me how much medicine is still an art as much as it is a science, with different cultural spheres. In fact the advice against Ibuprofen is pretty much rooted in the French medical culture: French doctor NEVER prescribe Ibuprofen when they suspect a viral infection. The idea being that fever is part of the body’s first line of defense against viruses, and that it is better to let it run its course so that the illness does not move to the next stage. Is this true? Well it’s probably a matter of culture, and other medical cultures feel differently.
More date would be needed to know is there is an effect regarding the evolution of Covid-19. In the meantime, I will follow the advice of French doctors if I feel sick, knowing that it might just be a cultural thing… Not that I use any kind of painkillers anyways - maybe about one or two pills of paracetamol/acetaminophen a year…

I can’t take Acetaminophen products. I have an artificial mechanical Aortic heart valve and take Warfarin (Jantoven) as blood thinner. They don’t play well together it seems.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:54:52am

re: #478 Backwoods_Sleuth

UNIT is responsible for that. They know the threat that this poses to their efforts to keep Earth safe from alien threats.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:55:27am

I need one of these.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:55:34am
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:57:22am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

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smart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:58:11am
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gocart mozart  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:58:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:59:28am
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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2020 • 11:59:31am

The “monitored source” is apparently Dave from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

These chucklekfucks have brain worms.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:00:16pm

re: #485 jaunte

I need one of these.

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sound!!! i want sound!!!

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:00:27pm

BTW, there’s no reason to believe that China has gotten the number of new cases down to nil. South Korea hasn’t done that. They’ve slowed the curve.

My guess is that China is back to suppressing information, and the WHO can only go on what they’re told by countries, including Iran and China. Neither should be treated as having contained this.

Trump was hoping he could following the Soviet apparatchik Chernobyl approach and lie away the problem and no one would notice.

The markets noticed.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:01:48pm

re: #489 gocart mozart

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you left out the birds. they’re birds, right?
if you have to explain it, there’s a reason we don’t see it ;-)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:02:04pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:03:58pm

re: #490 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i’ll tell you why: he’s trying to keep ‘the loss’ down.

he thinks invoking the act is like an expense.
it’ll take away the overall profitability of the thing.
“see i did it without it costing $xxx or spending $yyy”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:05:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:05:45pm

Late last night my Dad wanted to send a large letter with some docs in it to our cousin in Tacoma, and went with me to the Post Office. Then he wanted to go to Albertsons and … it was fucking stressful. It was late so there weren’t that many people but none of them seemed to be reacting, paying attention to his age or trying to keep distance. He’s also 81, has had a ton of spinal surgeries, barely feels his feet anymore, has a reconstructed femur and a five way bypass. So the entire fucking event felt like some kind of horror themed first person video game escort mission except, y’know, real fucking life. After we got back I didn’t notice that he took my wallet inside so I had a nice little 10 second panic attack over thinking I’d left it at the store.

Anyway, pretty sure my hair is going to go seriously goddamned grey over the next eighteen months. Called off all my shit for today, staying in, napping and trying to relax.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:06:35pm

This is the math problem we’re solving against.

Beds versus cases at peak.

We are failing. Cases are doubling every 2-3 days. About 15% of the cases require hospitalization. Of those about 1/3 require ICU.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:06:36pm

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

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he likes it. hey mikey!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:06:41pm

re: #489 gocart mozart

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Let us not overlook the 5 birds (belly buttons) either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:07:16pm
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:08:15pm

re: #479 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

on the one hand, this could help redeem their reputation, but it also means that “Princess” and “Corona” will be even more closely linked in the public consciousness…

We’re complaining about the publics memory being short. It will be short for this as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:09:40pm

jfc

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:10:08pm

re: #479 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

on the one hand, this could help redeem their reputation, but it also means that “Princess” and “Corona” will be even more closely linked in the public consciousness…

Yeah, I suspect a major rebranding will occur once things finally start to get going again.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:10:53pm

re: #498 goddamnedfrank

Late last night my Dad wanted to send a large letter with some docs in it to our cousin in Tacoma, and went with me to the Post Office. Then he wanted to go to Albertsons and … it was fucking stressful. It was late so there weren’t that many people but none of them seemed to be reacting, paying attention to his age or trying to keep distance. He’s also 81, has had a ton of spinal surgeries, barely feels his feet anymore, has a reconstructed femur and a five way bypass. So the entire fucking event felt like some kind of horror themed first person video game escort mission except, y’know, real fucking life. After we got back I didn’t notice that he took my wallet inside so I had a nice little 10 second panic attack over thinking I’d left it at the store.

Anyway, pretty sure my hair is going to go seriously goddamned grey over the next eighteen months. Called off all my shit for today, staying in, napping and trying to relax.

my mom (91) only just stopped driving. and she lives alone (about 8 miles from here)
i’ve been taking her places and we just started working out uber.
not any more

she’s not going out for the near future
i’m doing *all* the shopping and errands. it’s that simple.

since we dont know what’s happening, who has it, or doesnt (or will), the best thing is keep people away from her, and vice versa.

we’re even working on how often *I* should be going into her house - being that i do have the most contact with the ‘outside world.’

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danarchy  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:12:12pm

re: #487 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

smart

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The cynical side of me wonders if by donating the ships for use in this manner will allow them to claim the lost revenue as a charitable deduction…

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:12:45pm

re: #500 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

he likes it. hey mikey!

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i figured the oldz would get it ;-)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:12:56pm

re: #495 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #500 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:13:23pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:13:36pm

re: #506 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

My grandmother is almost 93 and lives by herself. She doesn’t go out much, but if one of the neighbors were to give her the virus she may well not make it.

And since she’s back in Canada, I would have a hell of a time even getting back home to mourn even IF I could get across the border in the first place.

I’m praying she holds on through this.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:14:31pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

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elect a clown, get a clown show

elect a failed ‘businessman’ get…a clown show

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:16:22pm

re: #507 danarchy

The cynical side of me wonders if by donating the ships for use in this manner will allow them to claim the lost revenue as a charitable deduction…

maybe hit the govt for the cost of ops while sidelined (crew, materials, etc) and the full cleaning at the end. actually not so unreasonable

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:16:33pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:16:43pm

re: #459 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What’s a Greg Fugate?

I Googled him. Didn’t help me understand the flounce. Not enough in that clip to understand.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:16:59pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

Psst Hey do you want some masks? ::: opens up trench coat :::

Actually I have a couple of these around the house.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:17:27pm
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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:17:36pm

re: #511 Eclectic Cyborg

My grandmother is almost 93 and lives by herself. She doesn’t go out much, but if one of the neighbors were to give her the virus she may well not make it.

And since she’s back in Canada, I would have a hell of a time even getting back home to mourn even IF I could get across the border in the first place.

I’m praying she holds on through this.

good thoughts all around
hope helps

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:18:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:18:39pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:18:50pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

No, they will not

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:19:23pm

re: #507 danarchy

The cynical side of me wonders if by donating the ships for use in this manner will allow them to claim the lost revenue as a charitable deduction…

Probably not. But it will help deflect criticism about them being flagged in a foreign country while they beg for bail out money from the U.S. Government.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:19:49pm

re: #521 Sir John Barron

No, they will not

He has no idea how bad this will get. Maybe neither do we.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:19:53pm

re: #514 jaunte

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there’s an R senate and they’re ok with it, so —shrug—

it’s not just the president
it is the Republican Party’s response to a national crisis
he is their leader, they are willing followers and they are inseparable

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:20:02pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:21:00pm

re: #517 jaunte

States, left to their own devices, can’t solve this. Maximum utility is not achieved by 50 different responses.

For instance, what if one state has a major manufacturer who can immediately produce thousands of masks. That state’s incentive is to hoard and protect, not share

Even with the Confederate army in desperate need of supplies, the State of Georgia would not release supplies from its warehouses, as they were only for troops from Georgia.

But then again, our current President’s constituency includes a lot of people who proudly display Confederate battle flags.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:21:07pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:23:09pm
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Ace Rothstein  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:23:56pm

God damn this country.
apple.news

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:25:02pm

re: #529 Ace Rothstein

Just tell me. There was a paywall.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:25:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:26:29pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:26:42pm

re: #480 jaunte

There’s a historical reason we want heath and safety overseen at the national lever l and why the commerce clause is used to regulate food and drugs. Take it back to the state level, we’re back at the turn of the 19th century with patent medicine, formaldehyde in food, and trade wars between states.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:26:52pm

Trump to every governor in this country: “Fuck you.”

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:27:26pm

re: #528 Backwoods_Sleuth

Communities that prep and are ready will be in a better position.
Those that don’t will face consequences of higher than normal mortality rates.

Trump considers all this as a net plus to him. If we get out of this alive, he will claim that he did a 10 out of 10 great job, even if thousands or tens of thousands (or 500k) die.

The GOP has sought to get out of the disaster prep/response game for decades.

Trump’s given them the out.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:28:01pm

People are saying that the ‘reporter’s’ question was set up.

Wouldn’t doubt it.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:28:11pm

re: #504 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

Job numbers aren’t people. They go down, they go up. They’re just numbers. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:28:33pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:28:34pm

re: #343 Belafon

The governors of Michigan and California should start comandeering the factories and force them to convert and state that Trump has authorized it.

Say he delegated that power to the states in his press conference (send the bill to the fed).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:28:35pm

re: #532 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:29:20pm

re: #507 danarchy

The cynical side of me wonders if by donating the ships for use in this manner will allow them to claim the lost revenue as a charitable deduction…

If they get paid for their ships to be used this way, that’s fine. They just shouldn’t get bailout money.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:29:32pm

re: #537 Belafon

Job numbers aren’t people. They go down, they go up. They’re just numbers. //

Unemployment claim numbers also go down when workers die…

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lizardofid  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:31:12pm

re: #510 Backwoods_Sleuth

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18 months to get the masks trump ordered? Hell, in in 18 months I can get a jumbo pack of Charmin from Amazon!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:32:46pm

Clearwater, Florida officials finally decide to close the beaches…at 6 AM this coming Monday.

Bloody hell.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:22pm

re: #543 lizardofid

18 months to get the masks trump ordered? Hell, in in 18 months I can get a jumbo pack of Charmin from Amazon!

In 18 months, I might be able to buy my own plane on ebay from Boeing for pennies. Delivery might be a bit tough, but that’s a cross I’d have to bear. /

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:23pm

re: #543 lizardofid

I am waiting for my Lysol from amazon. They say it is temporarily out of stock. They have been saying that since the beginning of the week.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:32pm

TRUMP TO STATES: DROP DEAD!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:53pm

re: #543 lizardofid

18 months to get the masks trump ordered?

Well, you know when you got 125 countries that put orders in ahead of us….

half /

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:33:54pm

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:34:53pm

re: #549 retired cynic

That is a good one. You made me smile. :)

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:35:27pm

re: #368 Dread Pirate

Ah, that tricky English idiom!

552
retired cynic  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:35:47pm

re: #550 PhillyPretzel

We need to, or go stark insane.

553
Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:35:56pm

Just posted this; I’m starting to see a the discussion in comment threads on Breitbart move from theoretical discussions of mass-murdering liberals … to more overt statements of intended action.

Trump’s supporters can no more sustain the destruction of the lie they’ve been telling themselves than Trump can sustain that blow to his man-baby ego. The alternative is the nationwide bloodbath they’ve longed for.

They DREAM of getting the green light to kill us all. Trump is going to give it to them.
554
Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:36:43pm

If there was a military attack on the US, no fucking way would dipshit say that it is up to the governors to handle it. There is absolutely no difference between this and a military strike in terms of the need for extensive federal leadership and control.

555
goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:39:25pm

re: #553 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:41:51pm

re: #553 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Just posted this; I’m starting to see a the discussion in comment threads on Breitbart move from theoretical discussions of mass-murdering liberals … to more overt statements of intended action.

Trump’s supporters can no more sustain the destruction of the lie they’ve been telling themselves than Trump can sustain that blow to his man-baby ego. The alternative is the nationwide bloodbath they’ve longed for.

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It will collapse on them, but most of them aren’t going to turn into violent people. There will be no conservative revolution, no matter what the Breitbarters hope for. Eventually, the deaths around them and the economic issues will break through, just like the economic issues did in 2008.

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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:42:29pm

re: #555 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:45:47pm

re: #556 Belafon

It will collapse on them, but most of them aren’t going to turn into violent people. There will be no conservative revolution, no matter what the Breitbarters hope for. Eventually, the deaths around them and the economic issues will break through, just like the economic issues did in 2008.

I think you’re broadly right, but I also think it’s likely we’ll see some horrific scattered incidents before this is over.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:46:43pm

re: #558 goddamnedfrank

I think you’re broadly right, but I also think it’s likely we’ll see some horrific scattered incidents before this is over.

I mean, we already are. Asians are being attacked, their lives are being directly threatened by Trump. We’re really just arguing about when it spills over.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:54:58pm

re: #355 Dread Pirate

Excerpts from a thread on the Burr recording.

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So Burr apparently secretly effectively advised a bunch of people in a way that would essentially allow them (if wealthy) to get out of the markets, etc.

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:58:46pm

re: #539 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Say he delegated that power to the states in his press conference (send the bill to the fed).

not official till he tweets it //

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 12:59:32pm

re: #543 lizardofid

18 months to get the masks trump ordered? Hell, in in 18 months I can get a jumbo pack of Charmin from Amazon!

you hope….

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I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:02:23pm

re: #555 goddamnedfrank

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:03:23pm

re: #425 goddamnedfrank

Why were they even allowed to refuse? It should have been a condition for getting off the boat.

They were apparently kept in deplorable conditions after disembarking. Maybe they don’t want to stay any longer.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:06:53pm

re: #438 The Pie Overlord!

Ya think?

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Is this a new insight, do you suppose?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:10:09pm

re: #485 jaunte

I need one of these.

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I have one - it’s called humans.
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:11:26pm

re: #492 I Don’t Take Responsibility At All (dangerman)

sound!!! i want sound!!!

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It’s a cow shine machine!

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 19, 2020 • 1:44:46pm

re: #418 jaunte

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All Lives Matter!

(sometimes)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2020 • 2:24:12pm

re: #398 lawhawk

The FDNY had to break up Hasidic weddings over the past few days as they ignore the orders and requests to stop holding events over 500 people, and to cut attendance. Just because you move them outside doesn’t make it any less dangerous.

There are pockets of severe outbreaks in NYC, and I wonder about those living in apartment buildings, where people are in close contact and have to share surfaces - elevators, stairs, garbage chutes, etc., and makes cross contamination all but certain.

The cases are rising all across the NYC metro area.

I have a bad feeling about this. /Han shot first.

I have relatives saying they won’t stop going for their Sunday brainwashing at the Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama Church…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2020 • 3:09:25pm

re: #458 Hecuba’s daughter

If I have to I will seder alone. Not the first time I’ve done that…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2020 • 4:22:44pm

re: #556 Belafon

It will collapse on them, but most of them aren’t going to turn into violent people. There will be no conservative revolution, no matter what the Breitbarters hope for. Eventually, the deaths around them and the economic issues will break through, just like the economic issues did in 2008.

You will see massive deaths in the Red States that rejected Medicaid expansion.


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