‘My Grandfather Was Not a Monkey!’

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The Texas Board of Education hearings on science curriculum have now concluded, and while the pro-science side did get some of the worst anti-evolution stuff out of the standards, the creationists on the board also managed to pass several amendments that will allow them to pressure textbook authors into including pseudoscience—which will undoubtedly lead to lawsuits from parents who object to their children being indoctrinated with fundamentalist religion, and end up costing the state of Texas both in money and in credibility.

Steve Schafersman live-blogged the whole mess today, and here he sums up the situation:

What is the bottom line? Did we win or lose? Neither. We got rid of the worst language, but a great deal of qualifying language remains. I am not going to claim either victory or defeat. I realize that Casey Luskin of Discovery Institute will declare complete, unqualified victory, but it is not that for them. Neither is it for us. The standards adopted were generally good, but there are several that are flawed, fortunately most in minor ways that textbook authors and publishers can deal with. I think we can work around the few flawed standards. But the point is that there shouldn’t be ANY flawed standards. The science standards as submitted by the science writing teams were excellent and flaw-free. All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creationism.

This will become apparent in 2011 when the Biology textbooks come up for adoption. Rule 3A and several other poor amendments in Biology—all the contribution of SBOE members who know nothing about science but a lot about pseudoscience—will be used to attack Biology textbooks. Cynthia Dunbar said so: “All we need is Rule 3A as now written and we have everything we want” (I am paraphrasing, but she said this in so many words). Gentle Readers, this is not the way to develop educational policy in one of the most wealthy and powerful state in the most wealthy and powerful country in the world in the 21st century. The process you just experienced, by reading my live blog columns, was deplorable and should be deeply embarrassing to every Texas citizen.

The policy (science standards) that resulted are not the best they could be. They are acceptable but could have been pseudoscience- and Creationism influence-free. However, I can also say the standards could be much worse. The votes were so close, and several members switched their votes back and forth several times, sometimes voting with the antiscience radical right wing members and sometimes with the pro-science members, that anything could have happened. I suppose I should be grateful the results are not worse.

I remain astounded that this is an issue in the 21st century, and that 83 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial there are still people whose attitude is expressed in statements like this: “My grandfather was not a monkey!

UPDATE at 3/27/09 2:42:26 pm:

Steve Schafersman’s prediction comes true; the Discovery Institute is crowing about their “huge victory:”

TEXAS NOW LEADS NATION IN REQUIRING CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF EVOLUTION IN HIGH SCHOOL SCIENCE CLASSES

Austin, TX – In a huge victory for those who favor teaching the scientific evidence for and against evolution, Texas today moved to the head of the class by requiring students to “critique” and examine “all sides of scientific evidence” and specifically requiring students to “analyze and evaluate” the evidence for major evolutionary concepts such as common ancestry, natural selection, and mutations.

“Texas has sent a clear message that evolution should be taught as a scientific theory open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can’t be questioned,” said Dr. John West, Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute. “Contrary to the claims of the evolution lobby, absolutely nothing the Board did promotes ‘creationism’ or religion in the classroom. Groups that assert otherwise are lying, plain and simple. Under the new standards, students will be expected to analyze and evaluate the scientific evidence for evolution, not religion. Period.”

The new requirements were contained in revised science standards approved today by the Texas State Board of Education. The science standards include language requiring students to “analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations…including examining all sides of scientific evidence… so as to encourage critical thinking by the student.” Equally important, the high school biology standards now require students to “analyze and evaluate” the scientific evidence for key parts of evolutionary theory, including common ancestry, natural selection, and mutations.

Discovery Institute has long endorsed the idea that evolution should be fully and completely presented to students, including its unresolved issues.

Absolutely pathetic.

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1040 comments
1 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:06pm

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

2 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:08pm
3 jdog29  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:16pm

Mine was

4 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:21pm

There is madness all around. Just pile this one on the heap.

5 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:29pm

I hold Jindal partly responsible for the momentum this movement has achieved in our nation's public schools. He will never get my vote.

6 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:11:52pm

re: #5 pink freud

I hold Jindal partly responsible for the momentum this movement has achieved in our nation's public schools. He will never get my vote.

re: #5 pink freud

I hold Jindal partly responsible for the momentum this movement has achieved in our nation's public schools. He will never get my vote.

Who would? Obama?

7 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:12:13pm

I like monkeys.

8 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:12:32pm

No, but your Great X googol Grandfather was!

9 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:12:39pm

My grandfather might or might not have been a monkey but I got a few relatives that definitely would be classified as horse's asses?

10 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:12:54pm

re: #7 Sharmuta

I like monkeys.

So do I, they throw their poo

That's funny

11 jdog29  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:05pm

on my mother's side I've got a little bit of eagle, hawk and pteradactyl, on my father's side I've got a little bit of saber tooth, wooly mammoth and tricerotops.

so, you know, it all equals out.

12 2-Drink Minimum  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:15pm

Grandfather's grandfather's father's grandfather was . . .

13 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:15pm

Neither of my grandfathers were monkeys. But I do have these relatives in Rochester...

14 Lazarus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:15pm

When you insist on feeding innocent children this mystical assault on the rational mind, it's your grandchildren that will be monkeys.

15 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:26pm

Tell the court 'Bright Eyes', what is the second article of faith?

Tell us why do men have no souls? What is the the proof that a divine spark exists in the simian brain?

16 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:13:40pm

When pigs fly, NYC Hardhat. There should be no doubt about that. I believe he may make it to the primaries in 2012, but he will not have my support.

17 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:07pm
18 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:10pm

re: #10 Hengineer

So do I, they throw their poo

That's funny

See, now when *I* do that at work, nobody laughs, and it's all "performance review" this and "company psychologist" that. Total double standard!

19 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:12pm

re: #14 Lazarus

When you insist on feeding innocent children this mystical assault on the rational mind, it's your grandchildren that will be monkeys.

Do you know something about my future son in laws that I don't?

20 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:13pm

That's just primordial thinking.

/

21 jdog29  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:21pm

I'm just one environmental pressure from evolving into a Democrat.

22 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:22pm

re: #16 pink freud

When pigs fly, NYC Hardhat. There should be no doubt about that. I believe he may make it to the primaries in 2012, but he will not have my support.

I was just pushing a button. Nothing personal. ;)

23 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:35pm

re: #1 jcm

Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.

24 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:51pm

Should've had Romney.

25 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:14:55pm

re: #20 DaddyG

That's just primordial thinking.

/

That comment oozes with elitism.

26 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:00pm

re: #15 ArchangelMichael

Tell the court 'Bright Eyes', what is the second article of faith?

Tell us why do men have no souls? What is the the proof that a divine spark exists in the simian brain?

I updinged your filthy post, you damned dirty ape.

27 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:12pm

re: #22 NYCHardhat

No worries! I knew that. :-)

28 Hengineer  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:38pm

Love to stay and throw monkey jokes some more, but I have to eat dinner.

mm bananas!

29 jdog29  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:39pm

The palestinians believe the Jews are apes and pigs, does that mean they believe in evolution too?

30 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:15:52pm
31 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:10pm

It's a bit appalling to think of a school board dictating to text book publishers what should and should not be included in their books if the material isn't factual.

32 DaddyG  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:14pm

re: #26 Occasional Reader

Heh!

"Get your hands off of my curricula you damned dirty ape!"

33 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:24pm
34 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:35pm
The process you just experienced, by reading my live blog columns, was deplorable and should be deeply embarrassing to every Texas citizen.

Not just every Texas citizen, actually.

35 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:43pm

re: #26 Occasional Reader

I updinged your filthy post, you damned dirty ape.

36 jdog29  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:16:46pm

gotta run, have fun

37 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:17:43pm

re: #6 NYCHardhat

You gotta remember, I am here in Louisiana. This is a much more personal issue for me. If any of you want to keep an eye on the daily going on and get a feel for the nuances of what Jindal is about, this is a good site (ala drudge format).

The Dead Pelican

38 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:18:10pm

If his grandfather was an ape, that would mean he's either 4 million years old or his great grandmother was involved in some spooky shenanigans.

39 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:18:58pm

Maybe they should put in the textbooks that we came from space aliens like it says in Genesis 9. That is way cooler than apes.

40 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:07pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

It's a bit appalling to think of a school board dictating to text book publishers what should and should not be included in their books if the material isn't factual.

Just another form of government infringing on private business.

41 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:29pm
Cynthia Dunbar makes a motion to the science standards that will revise standard 3A in a very complicated way. The motion adds the words "critique" and "evidence that is supportive and not supportive" to encourage critical thinking among students."

Dunbar is inserting the word "critique" so that rule 3A reads "analyze, evaluate, and critique scientific explanations using empirical evidence, logical reasoning, and experimental and observational testing by examining scientific evidence that is both supportive and not supportive of those scientific explanations to encourage critical thinking by the student." The words "supportive and not supportive" are the unscientific aspect of this amendment. Dunbar supported her amendment by making the false claim that the legislative intent of removing "strengths and weaknesses" will make the SBOE subject to litigation. This argument is legal nonsense and Dunbar knows it. The SBOE is not a legislative body and removing words is not illegal; it is the Board's job. She made this mendacious argument to scare her fellow Board members. How unethical.

I agree completely. The scientific method already is the means by which science analyzes, evaluates, and critiques scientific explanations. That those answers don't agree with their pre-existing ideas of what the answers should be is their problem, and shouldn't be foisted upon other people's children.

42 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:31pm

My grandfathers were all bears, and I'm proud of that.

43 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:19:32pm

Did you say minkey?

44 Lazarus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:02pm

re: #19 NevergiveupI just hoope they're not brainwashed with that garbage.

45 grahamski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:05pm

Outside my window theres a
Whole lot of trouble comin' the cartoon killers and the
Rag cover clones
Stack heels kickin' rhythm
Of social circumcision
Cant close the closet on
Shoe box full of bones

Kangaroo lady with her bourbon
In a pouch
Cant afford the rental on
A bamboo couch
Collecting back her favors cause her
Well is running dry
I know her act is terminal,
But she aint gonna die

Slim intoxicado drinkin' dime
Store hooch
Is always in a circle with his
Part-time pooch
Little creepys playing dollies in the
New york rain
Thinkin? bowies just a knife
Ooh the pain

I aint seen the sun since I don't
Know when
The freaks come out at nine
And its twenty to ten
Whats this funk
That you call junk
To me its just monkey business

Blind man in the vox that will
Probably die
The village kids laugh as they walk by
A psycho is on the edge of this human
Garbage dump
And the vultures in the sewers
Are telling
Him to jump

Into the fire from the frying pan
Tripping on his tounge
For a cool place to stand
Wheres this shade
That you've got it made
To me its just monkey business

Monkey business
Slippin? on the track
Monkey business
Jungle in black
Aint your business if I got
No monkey on my back

Monkey business
Slippin' on the track
Monkey business
Jungle in black
Aint your business
If I got
Monkeys on my back

The vaseline gypsies and silicone souls
Dressed to the society
Hypocrite heartbeat and cheap alibis
Cant get you by that monkey

46 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:16pm

Funny. I just went to our Natural History Museum here in OK. Why do people have such a problem with apes? If I was a creationist, I'd have a problem with my ancestor being a lungfish. I'm a terrible swimmer! Why couldn't I have gotten those genes!

47 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:22pm

re: #43 Nevergiveup

Arrest the minkey.

48 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:43pm

Ok, its time to teach the kids simian says. ;)

49 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:52pm

there is big money in Creationism....makes me wonder who is in for the twisted principle and who's agenda is for the money

50 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:20:58pm
51 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:16pm

A young pet monkey had an accident and needed a brain transplant. The veterinarian told the monkey's human family, "Brains are very expensive, and you will have to pay the cost yourselves."

"Well, how much does a brain cost?" asked the family.

"For a male brain, $500,000. For a female brain, $200,000," replied the vet.

All the men in the family nodded because they thought they understood. But the mother was unsatisfied and asked, "Why the difference in price between male and female brains?"

"Standard pricing practice," said the vet. "The female brains have to be marked down because they’ve actually been used!".

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:29pm

re: #35 gmsc

Evolution is a Mystery

53 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:31pm

So. The creationists text book authors are adapting to pressure from scientists.

54 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:38pm

re: #39 rawmuse

Maybe they should put in the textbooks that we came from space aliens like it says in Genesis 9. That is way cooler than apes.

I thought that was Scientology.
Wait until they want their ideas in textbooks.
What's worse, is they'll sue to get the beliefs in, and then sue for copyright violations.

55 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:39pm

re: #49 albusteve

there is big money in Creationism....makes me wonder who is in for the twisted principle and who's agenda is for the money

What makes you think they're separate?

56 acwgusa  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:21:55pm

My Grandfather was a marmoset, dammit!

57 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:22:12pm

Phil just posted at Bad Astronomy his take of Texas schoolboard vote..[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

58 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:22:32pm

First ding down already.

59 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:22:59pm
60 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:11pm

re: #58 Sharmuta

First ding down already.

CJW again.

61 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:32pm

Once upon a time, there lived a poor hat seller in a small village in India. He earned his livelihood stitching hats and selling them in the neighboring villages. Once when going to another village through a forest, he fell asleep under a tree. When he woke up, he was surprised to find his basket empty and all the hats missing. Then he noticed a troop of monkeys sitting in the tree wearing his hats. He came up with a brilliant idea to retrieve his hats. He lifted the hat on his head and threw it to the ground. Out of their aping habits the monkeys followed suit. The hat seller then collected all the hats and triumphantly proceeded to the market.

As the years pass by, the hat seller has a grandson who too ends up being a hat seller. One day he has to pass through the same forest to sell hats in the village on the other side. As he is leaving, his grandpa tells him of the monkeys and how he outsmarted them and warns the grandson to be careful in the forest and remember his grandpa's trick if the monkeys cause any trouble.

So the grandson sets forth on his journey. While passing through the forest, he gets tired and falls asleep to wake up and find the basket empty and all the hats gone. Then he notices the monkeys on the tree wearing the hats. Smiling to himself he says, "Aha ! I know how to deal with this. I'll use my grandpa's trick ! So he hurls his hat to the ground expecting the monkeys to do the same. All this time, there is a young hatless monkey sitting in the tree. This monkey jumps down from the tree, quickly picks up the grandson's hat and puts it on his head. Then as he is scampering away, he says to the grandson sarcastically:

"HA! HA! DID YOU THINK ONLY HUMANS HAVE A GRANDPA!?"

62 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:34pm

re: #55 Sharmuta

What makes you think they're separate?

nothing really....people will sell out for profit all day, altho I'm sure there are some Creationists drumming for the power alone

63 acwgusa  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:34pm

re: #59 buzzsawmonkey

If he met your grandmother through a matchmaker, it would be game, marmoset, and match.

Oh, that was a horribly bad pun!

64 rumcrook  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:23:53pm

its all fun and games until someone starts flinging poo

65 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:15pm

re: #62 albusteve

nothing really....people will sell out for profit all day, altho I'm sure there are some Creationists drumming for the power alone

Good thing elections protect us from that, huh? /////

66 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:24:55pm

re: #64 rumcrook

its all fun and games until someone starts flinging poo

Wheres the fan?

67 opnion  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:25:03pm

To deny that some human beings are decended fromapes is an Insult to Islam. Others of course decended from pigs. I can never keep it straight if Christians are the apes or is it Jews or the other way around or who comes from pigs.
Very confusing. Behead those who insult Islam!

68 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:25:05pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Evolution is a Mystery

Yes, but it will rock you!

69 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:25:06pm

First down-dinger already...

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:25:11pm

re: #29 jdog29

The palestinians believe the Jews are apes and pigs, does that mean they believe in evolution too?

Nope. It was a divine punishment...
Based on Koranic Verses, Interpretations, and Traditions, Muslim Clerics State: The Jews Are the Descendants of Apes, Pigs, And Other Animals

According to Islam, the ancient Jews were turned into animals for transgressing the word of God.[11] This divine punishment is mentioned in the most important sources of Islamic religious law, in both the Koran's recounting of the divine revelation, and in the extremely reliable Hadiths (traditions of the Prophet Muhammad) compiled by the leading ninth-century sages Muslim and Al-Bukhari,[12] which mention also mice, lizards, and other animals in the same context.

The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses: "... They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine..." (5:60); "...You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised" (2:65);[13] and "when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised" (7:166).[14]

71 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:25:45pm

Come to think of it, I kinda have a chest like Austin Powers. Yeah. I'm a monkey.

72 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:26:15pm

CJW used to comment here. I guess we know why he's been scarce.

73 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:26:25pm

The young earth creationists all gathered round

It was pure Velosi-Rapture

74 gmsc  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:27:27pm

re: #71 NYCHardhat

Come to think of it, I kinda have a chest like Austin Powers. Yeah. I'm a monkey.

Boy, have I got a T-shirt for you!

75 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:27:28pm

We already have a down ding, perhaps I should put 200 Republic Credits on post 143 for the first meltdown.

"Do you want to touch my grandfather? Touch him! Love him! Lieb meine Affe!"

76 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:27:34pm

Can't wait until the afternoon open thread. (sigh)

77 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:27:49pm

re: #65 Sharmuta

Good thing elections protect us from that, huh? /////

oh man....that depresses me...one of the reasons I hate the feds so much is they too often fail to deliver....they run from principle and pad their wallets on my dime....and it so futile to try to change anything because once they shoot the dope they are gone....not every single one and it's a bit narrower brush....but really I hate the feds

78 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:28:08pm
79 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:28:20pm

re: #69 Charles

Perhaps Buzzsawmonkey can come up with new words for

"Don't (Br)Ding me down,..."

80 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:28:26pm

re: #69 Charles

First down-dinger already...

I've noticed this same person always down dings these threads

81 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:28:36pm

re: #76 Soona'

Can't wait until the afternoon open thread. (sigh)

What's wrong with this thread? At least we're not discussing Congress.

82 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:28:48pm
83 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:00pm

re: #78 lesbianrainforest

Is that sarcasm?
/sarc

84 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:11pm

re: #74 gmsc

Boy, have I got a T-shirt for you!

Ooooooohhhhhhh shit! Jimi Hendrix too That is awesome

85 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:20pm

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

OK !

86 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:24pm

This is a pitiful reflection of the state my State. The real test comes in two years when new textbooks will be selected. Then the Board (the large minority of whom should be required to drive around in a clown car with wigs and rubber noses) will determine which books pass muster based on the standards now adopted. Hopefully, there will be fewer Shiite Baptists on the Board in 2011.

87 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:34pm
88 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:29:43pm
89 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:30:15pm
90 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:30:23pm

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

Not this close to Friday sundown, I can't.

I KNEW IT! JOOS ARE VAMPIRES!

oh wait that's sunrise... nevermind

91 acwgusa  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:30:52pm

re: #87 albusteve

fuck off....go read a comic book

Be nice, it may be uh-lit-r-it. It is only a rain forest.

92 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:31:05pm

re: #89 lesbianrainforest

Piss off.

93 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:31:17pm
94 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:31:35pm

re: #88 acwgusa

Are you related to the Lesbian Seagull?

Musical interlude.

95 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:31:59pm

re: #93 Soona'

There's an open thread downstairs- go knock yourself out. NO ONE is making you participate on this thread.

96 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:13pm

Melt down in isle 6. ;)

97 acwgusa  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:34pm

Hey! The rainforest got the stick! Hah!

98 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:45pm

re: #95 Sharmuta

There's an open thread downstairs- go knock yourself out. NO ONE is making you participate on this thread.

I mean, no shit.
People act like they are handcuffed to this discussion against their will. GAWD !~

99 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:32:49pm

If you have nothing to contribute to this discussion except to complain about the mere existence of it, I suggest you move to one of the dozens of other threads on the front page. I'm going to delete comments that whine about the topic.

100 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:11pm

If a lesbian falls in the rainforest and nobody cares, does it still make noise?

101 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:20pm

re: #97 acwgusa

No stick, just deleted comment.

102 acwgusa  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:23pm

re: #97 acwgusa

Hey! The rainforest got the stick! Hah!

That was bad tree humor.

103 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:28pm

re: #78 lesbianrainforest

It's really terrible that Charles keeps bucking the rules that you make up for him.

104 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:34pm

re: #96 DEZes

200 Republic credits down the drain already?

105 RandomUK  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:57pm

Found a brilliant satire on the blindness of religious fundamentalists to the most basic of science today. This guy has a lot of good videos!

106 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:33:58pm

re: #98 Shug

I mean, no shit.
People act like they are handcuffed to this discussion against their will. GAWD !~

If nothing else- go read some spinoff links. Plenty of other stuff to do on this blog besides the thread at the top of the front page.

107 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:04pm

i'm here to hand out up-dings & cupcakes.

if there's a down-dinger to do battle with me, then bring it.

(fear my fearsome up-ding with chocolate frosting!)

108 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:09pm

re: #89 lesbianrainforest

I believe I am........

that says more about yourself than you know

109 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:21pm

re: #100 Shug

If a lesbian falls in the rainforest and nobody cares, does it still make noise?

lesbianrainforest in action.......

110 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:35pm

re: #99 Charles

If you have nothing to contribute to this discussion except to complain about the mere existence of it, I suggest you move to one of the dozens of other threads on the front page. I'm going to delete comments that whine about the topic.

We need the whine to marinate trolls in.

111 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:41pm

Somewhere along the line we lost our prehensile tails & I would like to shift the gears in my Ferrari with a tail, but alas I haven't one.

112 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:34:44pm

re: #108 albusteve

that says more about yourself than you know

Quite insightful on your part.

113 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:35:09pm

re: #104 ArchangelMichael

200 Republic credits down the drain already?

Good thing it wasn't quatloons. :0

114 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:35:24pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Somewhere along the line we lost our prehensile tails & I would like to shift the gears in my Ferrari with a tail, but alas I haven't one.

As a Dilbert showed, it would be great to be able to type with both hands and use the tail for the mouse.

115 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:35:28pm

re: #103 Occasional Reader

It's really terrible that Charles keeps bucking the rules that you make up for him.

really...he's out of control again
/

116 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:35:58pm

re: #102 acwgusa

That was bad tree humor.

Oh no, not the pluck yew story again...:)

117 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:04pm

re: #106 Sharmuta

If nothing else- go read some spinoff links. Plenty of other stuff to do on this blog besides the thread at the top of the front page.

I have a stupid question Sharm..In my Fav's it only shows me part of the link.
Is there anyway to read it all without going back and searching for the link?

118 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:06pm

at least the meltdown was early so we don't get 200 comments about when the meltdown will happen

back to topic: This really scares me. Ignorant extremists attacking education. Shit, Texas Young earth Creationists and the taliban have a lot in common when it comes to education

119 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:24pm

re: #114 Kosh's Shadow

I'm doing my best to evolve a tail. Married, with kids you know...

120 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:25pm

re: #116 Dustyvet

Oh no, not the pluck yew story again...:)

You're just pining for a good pun thread.

121 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:36:59pm

re: #113 DEZes

Good thing it wasn't quatloons. :0

Yeah these are about as worthless as a USD will be after 3 more Obama budgets.

122 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:03pm

re: #111 Ojoe
a tail, or a Ferrari?

123 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:07pm

Gawd, this is like trying to explain to Republicans how saying you want Obama to fail isn't going over so well.


"My grandfather was not a monkey!" one woman shouted at a crowd before the meeting began.

When asked for a response grandpa was unable to answer.

Image: flach-tim-monkey-face-2410296.jpg

124 CERDIP  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:16pm

"My grandfather was not a monkey"

Of course, that's not how evolution is supposed to work. That's a straw monkey argument.

Now if that woman really does believe that evolution suggests that her grandfather was a monkey, then I respectfully submit that, most likely, he really was.

125 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:22pm

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

You're just pining for a good pun thread.

Nah, I'm pining for the fjords...:)

126 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:25pm

re: #117 HoosierHoops

I have a stupid question Sharm..In my Fav's it only shows me part of the link.
Is there anyway to read it all without going back and searching for the link?

I don't understand. You stuck something in your favorites, just click on the favorite and it will show you the entire comment, article or spinoff link.

127 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:49pm

And if you combine your whining with insults, your account will be history.

128 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:37:59pm

re: #122 Querent

I have neither unless you count hot wheel cars, then I have about 20 Ferraris.

Vroom Vroom

129 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:38:02pm

re: #86 austin_blue

This is a pitiful reflection of the state my State. The real test comes in two years when new textbooks will be selected. Then the Board (the large minority of whom should be required to drive around in a clown car with wigs and rubber noses) will determine which books pass muster based on the standards now adopted. Hopefully, there will be fewer Shiite Baptists on the Board in 2011.

Are they Baptists?

130 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:38:19pm

re: #125 Dustyvet

Nah, I'm pining for the fjords...:)

This is larching from one pun concept to another.

131 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:38:29pm

re: #124 CERDIP

"My grandfather was not a monkey"

Of course, that's not how evolution is supposed to work. That's a straw monkey argument.

Now if that woman really does believe that evolution suggests that her grandfather was a monkey, then I respectfully submit that, most likely, he really was.


I've been a monkey's uncle.

132 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:38:33pm

And hey- these people that don't understand evolution- they vote! Should I really have faith in these people?

133 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:38:59pm
134 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:00pm

re: #128 Ojoe
oh, but those are just the seeds of Ferraris.

You're supposed to plant them, and water them with lots of money.

LOTS of money.

135 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:03pm

I'm just wondering how teaching our kids that man and dinosaur walked the earth 6000 years ago is going to help produce the next generation of scientists and critical thinkers.

MIT might have to close it's doors for lack of qualified students

136 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:08pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Somewhere along the line we lost our prehensile tails & I would like to shift the gears in my Ferrari with a tail, but alas I haven't one.

re: #120 Kosh's Shadow

Oh no. This tree pun thread could get very chlorophyll.

137 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:33pm

re: #124 CERDIP

"My grandfather was not a monkey"

Of course, that's not how evolution is supposed to work. That's a straw monkey argument.

Now if that woman really does believe that evolution suggests that her grandfather was a monkey, then I respectfully submit that, most likely, he really was.

They scream my Grandfather was not a monkey, and then go ape shit.

138 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:43pm

re: #135 Shug

I'm just wondering how teaching our kids that man and dinosaur walked the earth 6000 years ago is going to help produce the next generation of scientists and critical thinkers.

MIT might have to close it's doors for lack of qualified students

Or an electorate capable of holding politicians accountable.

139 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:58pm

and several members switched their votes back and forth several times

140 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:39:58pm

Well, one grandfather was a stone mason, the other a firefighter. The firefighter grandfather, so I am told, liked fried banana sandwiches. The grandfather comparison these idiots use is ridiculous. I understand the analogy and it is lame. There is no doubt we evolved as a species from another apelike species, and the proof is before us, because apparently none of these creationists have yet to lose the knuckle dragging trait that most of us have managed to overcome via evolution.

141 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:00pm
142 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:51pm

I dunno, I am pretty sure my grandpa was part ape. He shaved down to his collarbones, and when he took his shirt off, you would swear he was still wearing one. I took my shower after him, and I would look down and it looked like a drowned hamster was on the drain...

143 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:53pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

I don't understand. You stuck something in your favorites, just click on the favorite and it will show you the entire comment, article or spinoff link.

I went back and clicked comment by..Hoosierhoops and it worked..I was clicking the link for the thread..
I told you It was a Stoopid question..
Thanks Sharm

144 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:40:59pm

re: #134 Querent

In this economy they are all destined to remain about 2-3/4 inches long.

BBL

145 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:02pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

And hey- these people that don't understand evolution- they vote! Should I really have faith in these people?

Do people that do understand evolution ALL vote?

I think not.

146 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:11pm

OT: Don't know if this news was in another thread earlier, but there is only one reaction possible-

Keep up the good work, IAF!

Robert Dreyfuss Robert Dreyfuss – Thu Mar 26, 10:08 am ET

The Nation -- Israel's (outgoing) prime minister, Ehud Olmert, has pretty much confirmed the news -- first reported by CBS yesterday -- that Israel bombed a convoy of arms dealers in Sudan in January to destroy a reported shipment of weapons from Iran to Hamas."Israel hits every place it can in order to stop terror, near and far," said Olmert.

An analysis from Amos Harel in Haaretz says that Israel's concern was that Iran might be sending advanced missiles to Hamas:

A reasonable assumption would be that Iran sought to provide Hamas with Fajr missiles, whose deployment in Gaza would constitute what the IDF terms as "a weapon that shifts the balance." During the Gaza lull, Hamas smuggled Katyusha rockets with an increased range from 20 kilometers to 40 kilometers. If it successfully managed to obtain Fajrs, Hamas could have placed Tel Aviv within missile range, which is exactly the coup it has sought in an effort to create the impression of a victory over Israel.

I'm not sure if that is a "reasonable assumption" or not, though it isn't outlandish. But the raid, which reportedly killed between 30 and 40 people and destroyed 17 trucks, is a big deal, even though it occurred months ago, and it could severely destabilize Sudan, inflame relations between Arab countries, Iran, and the United States, and set the stage for a response by Iran.

As Reuters reports:

Any public confirmation of a foreign attack would have a major impact in Sudan, where relations with the West are already tense following the International Criminal Court's decision this month to issue an arrest warrant for President Omar Hassan al-Bashir on charges of Darfur war crimes.

Bashir, of Sudan, was in Cairo yesterday meeting Egypt's President Mubarak. Sudan has also confirmed that the attack took place.

That same report, from the Times of London, quotes an Israeli source suggesting that US intelligence cooperated with Israel in planning the attack:

Eitan Ben Eliyahu, a former Israeli air force chief, told [Israeli] army radio that the reported Sudan raid showed that it was still too early to draw up a final assessment of the offensive in Gaza.

"One of the essential elements of this operation was the strengthening of co-operation, particularly with the United States, to prevent arms smuggling to Hamas," he said.

And the scope of Israel's operations may have been bigger:

In recent weeks, the outgoing Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has alluded to a series of "major operations" carried out during his term of office.

In another unexplained incident, warplanes bombed five fishing boats off Sudan's Red Sea coast on January 16, wounding 25 people, Sudanese security sources told AFP.

147 KenJen  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:18pm

Didnt mean to re you Ojoe. My prehensile tail has a mind of its own.

148 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:20pm

re: #142 rawmuse

I dunno, I am pretty sure my grandpa was part ape. He shaved down to his collarbones, and when he took his shirt off, you would swear he was still wearing one. I took my shower after him, and I would look down and it looked like a drowned hamster was on the drain...

Grandpa?
Image: flach-tim-monkey-face-2410296.jpg

149 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:26pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

No problem!

150 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:34pm

Well if we didn't come from monkeys then where did Rhesus Pieces come from.....huh?

151 Ojoe  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:41:38pm

re: #137 DEZes

LOL

152 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:42:37pm
153 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:42:41pm

re: #139 albusteve

and several members switched their votes back and forth several times

where is their principle?...they are deep into this debate and still don't have a stand to take?....votes are being bought and sold here...I'm very cynical at this point

154 Emerald  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:42:48pm

Why in God's name does the Republican Party cater to these nuts? The damage done to the party's credibility with the mainstream far outweighs the small percentage of votes they gain. And I'm not even sure they gain any votes by supporting these measures. It's not like creationists are going to support the Democrat's abortion stances.

155 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:00pm

re: #150 LGoPs

Well if we didn't come from monkeys then where did Rhesus Pieces come from.....huh?

M&Ms failed to evolve and do a product placement with ET.

156 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:18pm
157 doppelganglander  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:40pm

re: #135 Shug

I'm just wondering how teaching our kids that man and dinosaur walked the earth 6000 years ago is going to help produce the next generation of scientists and critical thinkers.

MIT might have to close its doors for lack of qualified students

Sadly, there will be plenty of qualified foreign students to fill their places.

158 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

We need a little Noah's Sarc for this thread.

Could Noah build his ark today?

If Noah had lived in the United States today the story may have gone something like this:

And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the righteous people and two of every kind of living thing on earth. Therefore, I am commanding you to build an Ark." In a flash of lightning, God delivered the specifications for an Ark. In fear and trembling, Noah took the plans and agreed to build the ark. "Remember," said the Lord, "you must complete the Ark and bring everything aboard in one year."

Exactly one year later, fierce storm clouds covered the earth and all the seas of the earth went into a tumult. The Lord saw that Noah was sitting in his front yard weeping. "Noah!" He shouted. "Where is the Ark?" "Lord, please forgive me," cried Noah. "I did my best, but there were big problems.

* First, I had to get a permit for construction, and your plans did not meet the building codes. I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
* Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the Ark needed a sprinkler system and approved floatation devices.
* Then, my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a variance from the city planning commission.
* Then, I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the Spotted Owl. I finally convinced the U.S. Forest Service that I really needed the wood to save the owls.
* However, the Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me take the 2 owls.
* The carpenters formed a union and went on strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor Relations Board before anyone would pick up a saw or hammer. Now, I have 16 carpenters on the Ark, but still no owls.
* When I started rounding up the other animals, an animal rights group sued me. They objected to me taking only two of each kind aboard. This suit is pending.
* Meanwhile, the EPA notified me that I could not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of the Creator of the Universe.
* Then, the Army Corps of Engineers demanded a map of the proposed flood plain. I sent them a globe.
* Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing discrimination by not taking atheists aboard.
* The IRS has seized my assets, claiming that I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to register the Ark as a 'recreational water craft'.
And finally, the ACLU got the courts to issue an injunction against further construction of the Ark, saying that since God is flooding the earth, it's a religious event, and, therefore unconstitutional.

I really don't think I can finish the Ark for another five or six years." Noah waited. The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine, and the seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across the sky. Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you're not going to destroy the earth, Lord?" "No," He said sadly. "I don't have to. The government already has."

159 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:44pm

re: #150 LGoPs

Well if we didn't come from monkeys then where did Rhesus Pieces come from.....huh?

I don't have those Rhesus pieces though. I must be descended from those Cylons that decided to 'go native' in Tanzania 150,000 years ago.

160 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:55pm
161 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:56pm

Going boldly where no curry has gone before....
A team of Indian military scientists has been tasked with developing a curry fit to be consumed by astronauts in space.

“Curry tends to be spicy, high in fat content and uses many ingredients; all these factors present significant challenges,” he told the paper. “We cannot afford the stomach of an astronaut to be strained.”

Dr Bawa said spicy meals and hot sauces had to be avoided because they could be hard to digest in zero gravity.

“When an astronaut is happy on all fronts, we would like to think his performance is enhanced . . . but so far, we are limited to very mild dishes,” he said.

The astronauts were expected to miss traditional snacks - such as the pancake-like dosa - the most, he said.

“Developing a dosa for space? It’s never been done before . . . fried bhajis? Very challenging — we can use only minimal oil. But if the mission demands it, we are ready to look into it."

162 Occasional Reader  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:43:58pm

Well, GREAT, if Charles is going to do another evolution thread, instead of an Adriana Lima lingerie pics thread, then I'm damn well leaving!

[storming out angrily]

(have a good Friday night, y'all)

163 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:07pm

I have a cousin who's a grease monkey. Does that count?

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:09pm

re: #31 Sharmuta

It's a bit appalling to think of a school board dictating to text book publishers what should and should not be included in their books if the material isn't factual.

Texas is big business in the textbook world.

165 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:19pm

They are already painting this as total victory even though "strengths and weaknesses" was excluded, From Robert Crowther at the DI Blog:

In a huge victory for those who favor teaching the scientific evidence for and against evolution, Texas today moved to the head of the class by requiring students to “critique” and examine “all sides of scientific evidence” and specifically requiring students to “analyze and evaluate” the evidence for major evolutionary concepts such as common ancestry, natural selection, and mutations.

"Texas has sent a clear message that evolution should be taught as a scientific theory open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can't be questioned," said Dr. John West, Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute. “Contrary to the claims of the evolution lobby, absolutely nothing the Board did promotes ‘creationism’ or religion in the classroom. Groups that assert otherwise are lying, plain and simple. Under the new standards, students will be expected to analyze and evaluate the scientific evidence for evolution, not religion. Period.”

The new requirements were contained in revised science standards approved today by the Texas State Board of Education. The science standards include language requiring students to "analyze, evaluate and critique scientific explanations…including examining all sides of scientific evidence… so as to encourage critical thinking by the student." Equally important, the high school biology standards now require students to “analyze and evaluate” the scientific evidence for key parts of evolutionary theory, including common ancestry, natural selection, and mutations.

Discovery Institute has long endorsed the idea that evolution should be fully and completely presented to students, including its unresolved issues.

Now the question is how do we get those board members or the person(s) who put them in place in TX deselected? When are the elections that affect this so we can get the cretins out of office?

166 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:20pm

re: #154 Emerald

Hey, just try being a Californian and preaching to a Texan.
That goes over like a fart in a wet suit.

167 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:46pm

re: #162 Occasional Reader

Well, GREAT, if Charles is going to do another evolution thread, instead of an Adriana Lima lingerie pics thread, then I'm damn well leaving!

[storming out angrily]

(have a good Friday night, y'all)

Link please?

168 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:44:57pm

Neither of my grandfathers particularly cared for monkeys, although I was called one from time to time when I was a kid.

169 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:45:03pm

re: #154 Emerald

Why in God's name does the Republican Party cater to these nuts? The damage done to the party's credibility with the mainstream far outweighs the small percentage of votes they gain. And I'm not even sure they gain any votes by supporting these measures. It's not like creationists are going to support the Democrat's abortion stances.

They are not much different than the left, really. It's just the flip side of the same coin- busy bodies trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

170 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:45:05pm

re: #154 Emerald

Why in God's name does the Republican Party cater to these nuts? The damage done to the party's credibility with the mainstream far outweighs the small percentage of votes they gain. And I'm not even sure they gain any votes by supporting these measures. It's not like creationists are going to support the Democrat's abortion stances.

I remember GWB;s campaign manager being interviewed on some show after the 2000 elections saying that they lost every demographic and still won the election because they got something like 95% of the Evangelical Vote and that all you needed to do was to get all of the evangelicals and get a whole bunch of them

I think that's the path they've taken and it's a loser

171 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:45:36pm

re: #165 Thanos

They are already painting this as total victory even though "strengths and weaknesses" was excluded, From Robert Crowther at the DI Blog:

Now the question is how do we get those board members or the person(s) who put them in place in TX deselected? When are the elections that affect this so we can get the cretins out of office?

I got an email from their PR person. Apparently the Discovery Institute has thoughtfully included me on their mailing list.

172 rawmuse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:45:57pm

Later, lizards. I am off to have some fun.

173 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:09pm

re: #166 rawmuse

Hey, just try being a Californian and preaching to a Texan.
That goes over like a fart in a wet suit.

We have enough problems in Texas without emulating California.

Obviously, given this.

174 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:24pm
175 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:27pm

re: #172 rawmuse

Later, lizards. I am off to have some fun.

We're not fun? :(

176 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:34pm

re: #171 Charles

I got an email from their PR person. Apparently the Discovery Institute has thoughtfully included me on their mailing list.

they have a 'Conversion Dept.'.....you are a target

177 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:42pm
178 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:52pm

re: #170 Shug

I remember GWB;s campaign manager being interviewed on some show after the 2000 elections saying that they lost every demographic and still won the election because they got something like 95% of the Evangelical Vote and that all you needed to do was to get all of the evangelicals and get a whole bunch of them

I think that's the path they've taken and it's a loser

Evangelical =! Creationist Nutburger

179 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:52pm
This will become apparent in 2011 when the Biology textbooks come up for adoption.

Perhaps the easiest fix, and a good idea anyway....put off adopting any new textbook series for 3 or 4 more years. Biology, chemistry, geology, and physics don't change in ways that require states to purchase new basic science texts every couple of years.

Math is the same, as is basic American and world history, etc, etc. Have the rules of grammar changed?

But states buy all new textbook series every couple of years for all those subjects. What a colossal waste of money.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:53pm

re: #100 Shug

If a lesbian falls in the rainforest and nobody cares, does it still make noise?

Ones I know would probably take the Lord's name in vain if that happened.

181 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:46:58pm

re: #169 Sharmuta

They are not much different than the left, really. It's just the flip side of the same coin- busy bodies trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.


Exactly!

A gazillion updings!

182 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:17pm
183 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:18pm

re: #167 kansas

Link please?

Adriana Lima

Uhhhh huh, huh, huh, huh, uhhh

*Butthead voice*

184 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:47:19pm

re: #165 Thanos

Now the question is how do we get those board members or the person(s) who put them in place in TX deselected? When are the elections that affect this so we can get the cretins out of office?

Sadly, it likely means supporting democrats for these seats.

185 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:05pm

re: #183 NYCHardhat

Adriana Lima

Uhhhh huh, huh, huh, huh, uhhh

*Butthead voice*

They're not real, you know.

186 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:06pm

re: #183 NYCHardhat

Adriana Lima

Uhhhh huh, huh, huh, huh, uhhh

*Butthead voice*

Great googly mooglys!

187 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:06pm

re: #171 Charles

From: Admiral Akbar
To: Johnson, Charles
Subject: Re: Discovery Institute Mailing List

IT'S A TRAP!

188 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:08pm

re: #181 rightymouse

Thanks, righty. I need a couple of reasons to smile right about now.

189 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:12pm

re: #171 Charles

I got an email from their PR person. Apparently the Discovery Institute has thoughtfully included me on their mailing list.

That was nice of them. Could save you lots of time scouring the interwebs for evidence of their actions.

190 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:24pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

Sadly, it likely means supporting democrats for these seats.

That's why I"m asking now, Republican primary challengers are much better than turning Texas purple.

191 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:37pm

The Dept Of Defense briefed the president this morning and told OBAMA that two Brazilian soldiers were killed in Iraq. To everyone's surprise, all the color drained from Obama's face.
Then he collapsed onto his desk, head in his hands, visibly shaken, almost in tears.

Finally, he composed himself and asked, 'Just how many is a brazilian?'

192 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:45pm

re: #154 Emerald

Why in God's name does the Republican Party cater to these nuts? The damage done to the party's credibility with the mainstream far outweighs the small percentage of votes they gain. And I'm not even sure they gain any votes by supporting these measures. It's not like creationists are going to support the Democrat's abortion stances.

Probably the same reason why the Democrat party caters to far-left communist/anarchist moonbats and the libertarian party caters to troofers and Alex Jones clones. Variations of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' or 'if I can humor these idiots they will help me get the things I want'.

193 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:48pm

re: #185 Russkilitlover

They're not real, you know.

Uhhhhh.... What?

194 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:48:58pm

re: #161 Killgore Trout

Going boldly where no curry has gone before....
A team of Indian military scientists has been tasked with developing a curry fit to be consumed by astronauts in space.

Kormanauts instead of cosmonauts........

195 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:01pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

Sadly, it likely means supporting democrats for these seats.

Oh, come on. It means actually participating in the local Republican Party process, and keeping some pressure on the candidates.

196 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:16pm
197 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:16pm

re: #183 NYCHardhat

Adriana Lima

Uhhhh huh, huh, huh, huh, uhhh

*Butthead voice*

Hehheheheheheheh. Oops, here comes my wife.

198 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:35pm

re: #190 Thanos

That's why I"m asking now, Republican primary challengers are much better than turning Texas purple.

Are the Texas GOP voters willing to learn the lessons of Kansas? I hope so, but I have little faith in the electorate today.

199 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:46pm

re: #188 Sharmuta

Thanks, righty. I need a couple of reasons to smile right about now.

Happy to oblige. :)
Lousy week? If so, join the club.

200 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:50pm

re: #154 Emerald

Why in God's name does the Republican Party cater to these nuts? The damage done to the party's credibility with the mainstream far outweighs the small percentage of votes they gain. And I'm not even sure they gain any votes by supporting these measures. It's not like creationists are going to support the Democrat's abortion stances.

thank Karl Rove

201 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:49:57pm

re: #177 taxfreekiller

Republicans have these loons as a minority.

Democrats are ruled by 90% commie loons, the leadership of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama and the likes are not even competent commies they are "loss leader" commies.

Those are the discounted ones they are using to get us into the store? Seems a little counter-productive.

202 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:03pm

re: #160 NYCHardhat

VA Hospital Hep C.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that not one of those 16 veterans is compensated one thin dime for this "MISTAKE"

*spit*

/S

203 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:18pm

re: #195 OldLineTexan

Oh, come on. It means actually participating in the local Republican Party process, and keeping some pressure on the candidates.

I'm not in Texas, so I fully encourage you to do just what you suggested.

204 kansas  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:19pm

Almost 5 in Kansas. Time to drinky.

205 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:22pm
206 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:25pm

re: #190 Thanos

That's why I"m asking now, Republican primary challengers are much better than turning Texas purple.

But either is far better than having these proselytizing nimrods retained in office.

207 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:31pm

re: #200 funky chicken

thank Karl Rove

Surely you jest.

208 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:55pm

re: #203 Sharmuta

I'm not in Texas, so I fully encourage you to do just what you suggested.

Too late, I already do.

Because I'm not tucking tail and running.

209 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:50:57pm

re: #185 Russkilitlover

They're not real, you know.

Like that matters.

210 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:07pm

re: #174 buzzsawmonkey

Is the ghost of a monkey an ape-arition?

And a monkey's offspring would be a chimp off the old block......

211 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:09pm

re: #187 ConservatismNow!

From: Admiral Akbar
To: Johnson, Charles
Subject: Re: Discovery Institute Mailing List

IT'S A TRAP!

212 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:12pm

re: #193 NYCHardhat

Uhhhhh.... What?

Da boobs.

213 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:24pm

I'd be pretty pissed if I were a Texas Tax payor forking over for this shit.

214 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:32pm

re: #186 DEZes

Great googly mooglys!

Are you trying to turn this into a goog thread?

215 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:44pm

Monkeys, Monkeys everywhere and not a feces to throw....

216 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:45pm

re: #197 kansas

Hehheheheheheheh. Oops, here comes my wife.

Adriana just got married this year, so you're safe?

217 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:50pm
218 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:51:55pm

re: #194 LGoPs

"Sari, I can't do that Dave"
2001: A Punjab Odessy

219 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:02pm

re: #200 funky chicken

thank Karl Rove

OldLineTexan called you Shirley.......

220 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:07pm

re: #214 CyanSnowHawk

Are you trying to turn this into a goog thread?

Someone claimed they were synthesized googs, i.e. Moogs.

/

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:08pm

re: #213 Nevergiveup

I'd be pretty pissed if I were a Texas Tax payor forking over for this shit.

Wouldn't you just?

222 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:09pm
“My grandfather was not a monkey!”

If she's Jewish, Islamists would consider her a monkey two times over.

223 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:13pm

re: #198 Sharmuta

Are the Texas GOP voters willing to learn the lessons of Kansas? I hope so, but I have little faith in the electorate today.

People not living in a state this happened in don't realize how huge and sudden the backlash on this will come. Once parents realize they are being laughed at by other states and that their children's education is really at risk the smackdown is usually total.

224 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:13pm

re: #199 rightymouse

Happy to oblige. :)
Lousy week? If so, join the club.

No- depressing day. It's all on the last thread. Everyone wants some real ideas for how to turn things around, but suggesting we resuscitate the Balanced Budget Amendment was met with some resistance. It depressed me.

225 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:32pm

re: #185 Russkilitlover

They're not real, you know.

Define real.
*Morpheus*

226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:35pm

re: #172 rawmuse

Later, lizards. I am off to have some fun.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more.

227 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:49pm
228 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:51pm

re: #212 Russkilitlover

Da boobs.

Oh sorry. You were saying something? Oh yeah. Her breasts. They're fake. *sigh* oh well, I guess I will get over that fact.

229 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:52:58pm

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

Like that matters.

Jus sayin'.

230 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:05pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

Wouldn't you just?

What, I would feel better in California maybe?

231 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:13pm

re: #213 Nevergiveup

I'd be pretty pissed if I were a Texas Tax payor forking over for this shit.

each and every board member should be accountable for every vote....who is on the take and why?....they don't have to answer for it...I hate the MSM

232 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:17pm

re: #211 ArchangelMichael

Nice.

233 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:27pm

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more.

D'ya think she's a goer?

/

234 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:34pm

re: #184 Sharmuta

Sadly, it likely means supporting democrats for these seats.

Trust me, there are a lot of Texas Dems that would be very comfortably Republican in other states.

235 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:39pm

re: #209 CyanSnowHawk

Like that matters.


My husband told me about this one gal he dated long ago who had fake ta-tas. He said it was like playing with Play-Doh that had baked in the sun too long.

236 Cognito  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:40pm

One of my grandfathers was sort of a monkey. Little bit.

237 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:42pm

re: #222 HelloDare

If she's Jewish, Islamists would consider her a monkey two times over.

Wait, Islamists are creationist. What the hell, she's a monkey either way.

238 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:42pm

Okay, I'm back and my mind is right. (There wasn't hardly anyone on the other threads. I got lonely)

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:52pm

That reminds me NY Nanna emailed me this link yesterday....
Love Mera Hit Hit - Billu Barber

240 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #223 Thanos

People not living in a state this happened in don't realize how huge and sudden the backlash on this will come. Once parents realize they are being laughed at by other states and that their children's education is really at risk the smackdown is usually total.

People don't like it when you start messing with their children and their children's education.

241 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:53:56pm

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more.


you got feces on the brain

242 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:10pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

I see she has a collagen education.


Let's not get lippy so early in the evening, shall we?

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:17pm

re: #230 OldLineTexan

What, I would feel better in California maybe?

So far we haven't got a biology problem here. So far. I'm sure you would find something else to be cranky about--the entire state budget or lack thereof comes to mind.

244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:21pm

re: #241 albusteve

You calling me a shit-head?

245 Pygmalienation  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:41pm
I remain astounded that this is an issue in the 21st century, and that 83 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial there are still people whose attitude is expressed in statements like this: “My grandfather was not a monkey!”

A grandfather who was a monkey may be an improvement for some of these folks... as in projection.

Seriously though, as a Texan with several science teachers and only a couple of monkeys in my family, I am indeed embarrassed.

246 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:51pm
247 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:54:56pm

darn, i'm running low on up-dings already...

keep the snark comin'...

248 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:55:04pm

re: #242 rightymouse

Let's not get lippy so early in the evening, shall we?

Ok. I'm going to nip/tuck this right now. No more plastic surgery puns.

249 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:55:32pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

So far we haven't got a biology problem here. So far. I'm sure you would find something else to be cranky about--the entire state budget or lack thereof comes to mind.

Or the banned gun collection list. Or the granola weirdos. No doubt.

250 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:55:40pm

lol texas

251 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:55:50pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You calling me a shit-head?

not exactly...but um...well...no

252 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:55:58pm

For people who don't think they're monkeys, they sure throw a lot of shit around.

253 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:06pm

re: #244 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You calling me a shit-head?

That's how I read it.

/goad

254 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:19pm

re: #235 rightymouse

My husband told me about this one gal he dated long ago who had fake ta-tas. He said it was like playing with Play-Doh that had baked in the sun too long.

Shouldn't have gotten the Silicon implants.

255 Cognito  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:24pm

re: #242 rightymouse

Let's not get lippy so early in the evening, shall we?

Don't be a kiss-up. Better to be cheeky.

256 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:25pm

re: #249 OldLineTexan

I'll you take that one at #250!

257 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:40pm

Hey, jeebus is here. Now there's a case where a monkey for a grandpa would be a BIG improvement.

258 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:45pm

re: #250 spacejesus

lol texas

homeschool capital of the world...

259 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:52pm

My favorite take down of Creationists.. Watch the video also.
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

260 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:56:54pm
261 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:57:09pm

re: #208 OldLineTexan

Too late, I already do.

Because I'm not tucking tail and running.

And thank God for you. I am quickly losing the pittance of faith I have left in this party and the electorate, so if you can get some rationality back into this party, I applaud you. You have my full support.

262 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:57:12pm
263 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:57:21pm

re: #224 Sharmuta

No- depressing day. It's all on the last thread. Everyone wants some real ideas for how to turn things around, but suggesting we resuscitate the Balanced Budget Amendment was met with some resistance. It depressed me.


Will go take a look.

It IS frustrating and perhaps it's because we've lost our way so badly and allowed too many detrimental interest groups to form policy that perhaps we need to chuck everything in the shredder and start from square one.

264 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:57:34pm

re: #256 jcm

I'll you take that one at #250!

jeebus isn't much fun, really. I played with him once; it was like wrassling a pig.

265 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:57:49pm

re: #246 buzzsawmonkey

It's called an "excrementality."

People like that often get sued for Defecation of Character.........

266 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:58:20pm

re: #265 LGoPs

People like that often get sued for Defecation of Character.........

heh...what a load

267 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:58:24pm
268 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:58:28pm

re: #265 LGoPs

People like that often get sued for Defecation of Character.........

I saw the written up in the Anals of Legal Review.

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:58:42pm

My grandfather was Scottish...does that count for anything?

270 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:58:45pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

You kidding? They each have 10 gigabytes of memory!

But can the memory be erased when you get a new boyfriend?

271 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:07pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

You kidding? They each have 10 gigabytes of memory!

Should have went for the tetra bytes. ;)

272 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:13pm

re: #263 rightymouse

Will go take a look.

It IS frustrating and perhaps it's because we've lost our way so badly and allowed too many detrimental interest groups to form policy that perhaps we need to chuck everything in the shredder and start from square one.

It would be more difficult to start over than it would be to pass a constitutional amendment.

273 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:14pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My grandfather was Scottish...does that count for anything?

yes but don't brag about it for gods sake

274 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:15pm

re: #270 Nevergiveup

But can the memory be erased when you get a new boyfriend?

They just re-boob.

275 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:20pm

re: #261 Sharmuta

And thank God for you. I am quickly losing the pittance of faith I have left in this party and the electorate, so if you can get some rationality back into this party, I applaud you. You have my full support.

If my state Senator doesn't answer my letter soon, I am going to call his radio station and harangue him a bit. I also happen to know where my local Congresscritter's office is, and he knows the lot of 'em.

276 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:22pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

You kidding? They each have 10 gigabytes of memory!

I'll admit that won't fit on my little finger, but I can fit more on my thumbdrive.

277 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:26pm

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

We need a little Noah's Sarc for this thread.

All about Noah's ark


1. Plan ahead. It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.


2. Stay fit. When you're 600 years old, someone might ask you to do something REALLY big.


3. Don't listen to critics - do what has to be done.


4. Build on high ground.


5. For safety's sake, travel in pairs.


6. Two heads are better than one.


7. Speed isn't always an advantage. The cheetahs were on board, but so were the snails.


8. If you can't fight or flee - float!


9. Take care of your animals as if they were the last ones on earth.


10. Don't forget that we're all in the same boat.

278 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:39pm

re: #258 albusteve

homeschool capital of the world...

Well if had children in public school and creationism was rammed into the curriculum where I was, I would probably be home schooling too. The leftist indoctination is bad enough, pile the right's moonbattery on top of it, and going to public school is asking to please please please come out stupid.

279 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:40pm

Another down-dinger who never comments.

280 teleskiguy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 2:59:53pm

Keep hitting them, Charles! As far as fundamentalism and the right is concerned, you are shiny beacon on the hill! Bravo Sir!

The Onion asked during the Scopes trial:
Is science being taught in our schools?
Should children be exposed to the facts?
Are reason and empirical evidence suitable school subjects?

281 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:00:12pm

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

I'm out. 'Bye, all.

מאי אלוהים להעניק לך שלום החסד הלילה חבר שלי

282 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:00:15pm

re: #263 rightymouse

Will go take a look.

It IS frustrating and perhaps it's because we've lost our way so badly and allowed too many detrimental interest groups to form policy that perhaps we need to chuck everything in the shredder and start from square one.

Old Army rule: When things are fundamentally broken, it's best to go back to the basics.

283 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:00:28pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My grandfather was Scottish...does that count for anything?

Well, at least it ain't crap!

284 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:00:38pm

And another.

285 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:02pm
286 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:03pm

The problem is, if you give the YEC/OEC/ID folk an inch, they will take a light-year.

In this case, 13.7 billion light years (or perhaps 40 billion, depending if you want to count distance or time...).

The Houston Chron blogger is very biology/evolution oriented (and understandably so), but the Texas SBOE also wanted to get rid of the age of the universe and the Earth.

So, I don't see a victory here for the rationalists. And, given the political climate in the US today with heated exchanges on science being fed at least in part by hardening social/economic/regional differences, I don't see it getting better.

287 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:07pm
288 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:09pm

S'matter, jeebus? Sensitive about ol' Grampy?

289 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:12pm

re: #279 Charles

Another down-dinger who never comments.

CJW, LeonidasOfSparta, Presort;

Come on down! You got something to say?

Say it to our faces.

Or are you chickenshit?

290 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:14pm

Just in.
Since I was fourteen I read every book and the articles in National Geography about Jane Goodall. Which is how these great apes have earned my deep respect and I have also learned a great deal about human behavior. So I proudly state: “My grandfather was a monkey!”

291 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:01:59pm

re: #289 jcm

CJW, LeonidasOfSparta, Presort;

Come on down! You got something to say?

Say it to our faces.

Or are you chickenshit?

Ape shit!

292 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:02:05pm

re: #290 callahan23

Just in.
Since I was fourteen I read every book and the articles in National Geography about Jane Goodall. Which is how these great apes have earned my deep respect and I have also learned a great deal about human behavior. So I proudly state: “My grandfather was a monkey!”

Just put the poo down, and we'll all be okay with it!

/;-P

293 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:02:39pm

re: #266 albusteve

heh...what a load

I rectum so.

294 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:02:46pm

re: #248 ConservatismNow!

Ok. I'm going to nip/tuck this right now. No more plastic surgery puns.

You really know how to cut a girl down to size, don't you?

**sob**

295 Emperor Norton  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:02:50pm

God made Man
But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan
We're all here to prove it
I can walk like an ape
Talk like an ape
Do what a monkey can do
God made man
But a monkey supplied the glue

--Devo

296 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:06pm

California does have creationist pinheads too:

[Link: ncseweb.org...]

297 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:14pm

re: #268 jcm

I saw the written up in the Anals of Legal Review.

Is this the poop thread?

298 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:19pm

re: #265 LGoPs

People like that often get sued for Defecation of Character.........


Bwahahahahahahahaha!

299 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:38pm

Charles,

You're a fan of cute animals. You got to head over to Cute Overload and see the baby red panda and the baby manatee. Okay, maybe the manatee isn't all that cute.

300 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:46pm

re: #297 Alouette

Is this the poop thread?

no..poop is beneath me

301 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:51pm

Clarence Darrow? Spinning.

/furiously

302 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:03:57pm

re: #279 Charles

Another down-dinger who never comments.

I would counter with my Sockpuppet, but SOMEBODY blocked it!
/

303 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:04:20pm

I don't know how I'm supposed to think the electorate will ever be able to weigh the evidence and arrive at a sound conclusion if we don't teach a method of doing such. The religious right is actually helping the left promote weak thinking skills that have been and will continue to bite the country in the ass with an ill informed electorate incapable of real critical thinking skills.

The so-called religious right are not the allies they've told the conservatives they are.

304 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:04:25pm

re: #297 Alouette

Is this the poop thread?

Yeah, get on deck with it. ;)

305 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:04:26pm

re: #292 jcm

Just put the poo down, and we'll all be okay with it!

/;-P

The poo thing only happens in the zoo, not in the wild.
Alright then I disposed of the poo. Not to worry!
/

306 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:04:55pm

re: #296 Charles

However, the ICR did feel it had to move out of Santee, CA to TX in order to continue its work.

307 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:04pm

Blazing saddles is on and they are doing camp town racers

308 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:08pm
309 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:20pm

re: #272 Sharmuta

It would be more difficult to start over than it would be to pass a constitutional amendment.


That's what's scary.

310 jaunte  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:30pm

CJW, LeonidasOfSparta, Presort:

One of the things that distinguishes us from the apes is the ability to make a reasoned argument to support our point of view. Even a monkey can push a button.

311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:31pm

re: #289 jcm

I am not the boss of Charles, and it is his house, but I think that a certain number of comments (100 or so) need to be made before the privilege of dinging (up or down) is granted.

312 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:54pm

re: #288 OldLineTexan

S'matter, jeebus? Sensitive about ol' Grampy?


i'd take a monkey over for a grandfather over a texan anyday

313 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:05:57pm

re: #287 taxfreekiller

California would never do something like this with books.

California would open its borders to illegal drug gangs.

California would and has via commie Democrats spent itself broke on its ass.

California would and has turned itself over to environmental bat shit crazy Nancy Pelosi loon Democrats and the Global Warming Lies and Fraud.

California will have rolling black outs.
California has no way of obtaining more water without a war on other states.
California jumped the shark wolf pack of commie Democrats.

All's we got in Texas is 5,000 or so zealot ID loons who are a noisy ass nutty problem about books and shit, but they do have enough sense to allow the State to balance the books and build up a surplus.

like that

I don't think that CA buys textbooks statewide like Texas does.

314 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:06:01pm

re: #310 jaunte

CJW, LeonidasOfSparta, Presort:

One of the things that distinguishes us from the apes is the ability to make a reasoned argument to support our point of view. Even a monkey can push a button.

When I give an up ding, I get a cookie.

315 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:06:10pm

re: #306 freetoken

However, the ICR did feel it had to move out of Santee, CA to TX in order to continue its work.

But they apparently left their Flintstones museum here and someone is running it still.

316 jcm  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:06:22pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am not the boss of Charles, and it is his house, but I think that a certain number of comments (100 or so) need to be made before the privilege of dinging (up or down) is granted.

Sounds good to me!

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:08pm

re: #307 Nevergiveup

I get no kick, from champagne...
(ooooooo)
Mere alcohol, don't thrill me at all...

Love that movie.

318 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:10pm

re: #287 taxfreekiller

California would never do something like this with books.

California would open its borders to illegal drug gangs.

California would and has via commie Democrats spent itself broke on its ass.

California would and has turned itself over to environmental bat shit crazy Nancy Pelosi loon Democrats and the Global Warming Lies and Fraud.

California will have rolling black outs.
California has no way of obtaining more water without a war on other states.
California jumped the shark wolf pack of commie Democrats.

All's we got in Texas is 5,000 or so zealot ID loons who are a noisy ass nutty problem about books and shit, but they do have enough sense to allow the State to balance the books and build up a surplus.

like that

Thanks, tfk.

319 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:16pm

What is it that ain't exactly water and it ain't exactly earth?

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:23pm

re: #313 CyanSnowHawk

I don't think that CA buys textbooks statewide like Texas does.

You're right.

321 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:43pm

re: #319 Nevergiveup

What is it that ain't exactly water and it ain't exactly earth?

QUICKSAND!

322 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:45pm

re: #319 Nevergiveup

What is it that ain't exactly water and it ain't exactly earth?

Obama?

323 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:50pm

re: #303 Sharmuta

I don't know how I'm supposed to think the electorate will ever be able to weigh the evidence and arrive at a sound conclusion if we don't teach a method of doing such. The religious right is actually helping the left promote weak thinking skills that have been and will continue to bite the country in the ass with an ill informed electorate incapable of real critical thinking skills.

The so-called religious right are not the allies they've told the conservatives they are.

they are using the GOP as a hostage and I think it's despicable....they know exactly what they are doing...they need a vehicle and the GOP provides it because they are incapable of finding new votes....bad news

324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:51pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

When I give an up ding, I get a cookie.

Dear God! Woman, how much you must weigh.

325 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:07:58pm

re: #319 Nevergiveup

What is it that ain't exactly water and it ain't exactly earth?

Muck.

326 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:07pm

re: #312 SpaceJesus

i'd take a monkey over for a grandfather over a texan anyday

Starting up already SJ?

327 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:12pm
Christie Todd Whitman

Administrator, Environmental Protection Agency (2001-2003); governor of New Jersey (1993-2000)


As soon as the Supreme Court had decided that George W. Bush was to be the next president of the United States, Karl Rove focused on 4 million evangelicals who had not gone to the polls in 2000. And he felt they were Bush voters, and they should go out for him, and if he was able to capture those 4 million, that the president would be re-elected. I mean, he's done a brilliant job for what he's supposed to do, which is to ensure that the president has a Republican Congress and was re-elected. And he did all those things exceedingly well. My fear is at what cost to governance and what cost to the future of the party, because by hardening the base, by everything being aimed at that base of the evangelicals and the social fundamentalists, there was no effort to reach out to the middle. …


When you talk about the base, describe the base you are talking about.

Well, to me, the base was those 4 million evangelicals and the evangelicals who did vote for him, as well as the 4 million who had not voted for him. Karl has been pretty open, or was pretty open early on, I guess, in the administration, saying that that was where his focus was. And you certainly saw that, again, with the weekly luncheon meetings that he had with members of some of the most conservative groups, and giving them a feeling of empowerment which you're now seeing being played out when you have people that think SpongeBob SquarePants is a bigger threat to the future of this country than tax reform, because they get all caught up in that, and that's where their focus is.

That, I think, is going to be difficult for the president. And that's one of the concerns that I have. His ability to be the kind of leader he's going to want to be I think in some instances is going to be stymied by his own party. ...


… Can you govern from only a base strategy?

I don't think so. And that's what is very concern[ing] to me, because as an elected official, you're not representing just the base; you're representing all the people who elected you. And the president recognized that. He said it in his acceptance speech. He said it in his inaugural address. I mean, he wants to bring people together. I just believe that he's going to have an exceedingly hard time, because you've got people in the Congress who are standing up saying: "No, it's our turn now. This is our agenda. You may want some of these things, but we're not going to give them to you until you do some other things that we think are more important on issues that are divisive." …

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

328 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:18pm

re: #321 ArchangelMichael

QUICKSAND!

You're right! Obama was such a stupid answer!

329 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:28pm

re: #282 LGoPs

Old Army rule: When things are fundamentally broken, it's best to go back to the basics.

Wipe the slate clean and then start listing those things that work.

When did the far right get a foothold in politics anyway? Did it start with Falwell's "Moral Majority"?

330 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:29pm
331 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:08:42pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dear God! Woman, how much you must weigh.

LMAO!

332 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:09:51pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dear God! Woman, how much you must weigh.

RUN!

333 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:10:01pm

We bemoan the state of education in this country as conservatives because we understand a better educated society will make for a better informed electorate, so why are we suffering fools in our ranks who are trying to undermine our efforts to improve education? These folks simply must be drummed from the party. They are, in fact, undermining us and they do not care that they're doing so.

334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:10:31pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

When I give an up ding, I get a cookie.

CRAP! read that wrong...read "When I get an up ding, I get a cookie...

I am probably in a world of poop right now.

335 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #312 SpaceJesus

i'd take a monkey over for a grandfather over a texan anyday

what a stupid thing to say...there are 25 million Texans....I'm sure you can find fault with every single one of them eh?...get out of the basement much?

336 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:10:33pm

re: #324 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dear God! Woman, how much you must weigh.

About 120 lbs. I was "cursed" with the I can eat whatever I want genes.

337 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:10:53pm

is there a way we can talk mexico into taking back texas

338 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:07pm

re: #307 Nevergiveup

Blazing saddles is on and they are doing camp town racers

What channel?

339 Mr Secul  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:14pm

re: #111 Ojoe

Somewhere along the line we lost our prehensile tails & I would like to shift the gears in my Ferrari with a tail, but alas I haven't one.

You had one as an embryo, if only you'd kept it...

340 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:40pm

re: #335 albusteve

what a stupid thing to say...there are 25 million Texans....I'm sure you can find fault with every single one of them eh?...get out of the basement much?

Why should he want to go out, his bunkie is a monkey...:)

/S

341 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:42pm

re: #337 SpaceJesus

is there a way we can talk mexico into taking back texas

Is there anyway we can talk you back into Space?

342 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:44pm

re: #336 Sharmuta

About 120 lbs. I was "cursed" with the I can eat whatever I want genes.

You?

343 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:45pm

#312 SpaJe's

i'd take a monkey over for a grandfather over a texan anyday

Oh no'se, here we go again. :(

344 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:46pm

Great, possible light snow flurries overnight, here in Dallas.

/damn you, al gore!

345 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:47pm

re: #312 SpaceJesus

i'd take a monkey over for a grandfather over a texan anyday

you still here?
too bad

346 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:48pm

re: #337 SpaceJesus

is there a way we can talk mexico into taking back texas

Can we talk you into going back to outer space?

347 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:51pm

re: #335 albusteve

what a stupid thing to say...there are 25 million Texans....I'm sure you can find fault with every single one of them eh?


yes. actually, i probably could.


NM > TX

348 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:55pm

re: #334 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

CRAP! read that wrong...read "When I get an up ding, I get a cookie...

I am probably in a world of poop right now.

you are always in a world of poop

349 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:11:56pm

re: #338 Ward Cleaver

What channel?

Its on the AMC channel. On Fios it is 231

350 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:12:29pm

re: #342 NYCHardhat

No- that's not me.

351 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:12:31pm

re: #336 Sharmuta

About 120 lbs. I was "cursed" with the I can eat whatever I want genes.

That's a curse? Can I get that curse invoked on me, please?

352 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:12:54pm

re: #337 SpaceJesus

is there a way we can talk mexico into taking back texas

Is there any way we can talk kos into taking back spacejesus?

353 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:12:58pm

re: #337 SpaceJesus

is there a way we can talk mexico into taking back texas

*record player abruptly stops.*

354 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:13pm

re: #323 albusteve

they need a vehicle and the GOP provides it because they are incapable of finding new votes....

Yup... I wonder if they people who complain about Charles' posting of evolution threads grasp this very point.

355 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:20pm

can't we just have a good time making fun of texas and republicans in this thread without getting all up in spacejesus's grill

356 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:28pm

re: #351 LGoPs

That's a curse? Can I get that curse invoked on me, please?

Me too! I'll pay!

357 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:34pm

re: #328 NYCHardhat

You're right! Obama was such a stupid answer!

You were just thinking Obama's brain, right?

358 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:42pm

re: #319 Nevergiveup

We damn near lost a 400 dollar handcart! Well don't just lay around trying to get a sunburn. It wont do you boys no good anyhow!

359 guitarguy  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:42pm

Creationists/ID'ers paint evolutionists as wackos who believe that mankind sprang from a puddle of ooze struck by lightning.

Yet those same people firmly believe that man was created from dust, and woman was created from the dust man's rib.

360 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:47pm

re: #355 SpaceJesus

can't we just have a good time making fun of texas and republicans in this thread without getting all up in spacejesus's grill

You still in braces?

361 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:13:48pm

re: #355 SpaceJesus

can't we just have a good time making fun of texas and republicans in this thread without getting all up in spacejesus's grill

Ummm, no.

362 Bloodnok  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:14:04pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

We bemoan the state of education in this country as conservatives because we understand a better educated society will make for a better informed electorate, so why are we suffering fools in our ranks who are trying to undermine our efforts to improve education? These folks simply must be drummed from the party. They are, in fact, undermining us and they do not care that they're doing so.

+1859!

:)

363 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:14:10pm

re: #333 Sharmuta

We bemoan the state of education in this country as conservatives because we understand a better educated society will make for a better informed electorate, so why are we suffering fools in our ranks who are trying to undermine our efforts to improve education? These folks simply must be drummed from the party. They are, in fact, undermining us and they do not care that they're doing so.

And it's galling that so many Republicans are grumbling about leaving the party because of these folks. Let the creationists IDers leave and come up with their own party!

364 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:14:58pm
365 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:03pm

re: #336 Sharmuta

About 120 lbs. I was "cursed" with the I can eat whatever I want genes.

I hate you. My daughters hate you. We curse you!

366 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:06pm

re: #355 SpaceJesus

can't we just have a good time making fun of texas and republicans in this thread without getting all up in spacejesus's grill

Um- I've been critical of creationist republicans in this thread and previous ID threads, and yet I don't get down dings or people up in my grill. Perhaps it's your presentation.

367 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:40pm

re: #363 Russkilitlover

And it's galling that so many Republicans are grumbling about leaving the party because of these folks. Let the creationists IDers leave and come up with their own party!

There is one, it's the Constitution party but they arent *that* dumb to leave a real party for a joke one. We need a different solution.

368 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:45pm

re: #365 Alouette

I know. ;)

369 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:58pm

re: #352 pink freud

Is there any way we can talk kos into taking back spacejesus?

I'm not allowed there :(

370 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:15:59pm

Spacejesus is just ahead of the curve. In 2011 when the textbook wars start a lot of people are going to be pointing and laughing at Texas.

371 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:16:11pm

re: #366 Sharmuta

Um- I've been critical of creationist republicans in this thread and previous ID threads, and yet I don't get down dings or people up in my grill. Perhaps it's your presentation.

Jesus needs PowerPoint skills?

372 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:16:22pm

re: #369 SpaceJesus

I'm not allowed there :(

Hahahahaha!

373 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:16:35pm

re: #344 Ward Cleaver

Great, possible light snow flurries overnight, here in Dallas.

/damn you, al gore!

Perhaps three to six inches here in Okla. City.

374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:16:52pm

re: #371 CyanSnowHawk

Jeebus lacks de soshul skeels.

375 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:17:01pm

re: #359 guitarguy

Creationists/ID'ers paint evolutionists as wackos who believe that mankind sprang from a puddle of ooze struck by lightning.

Yet those same people firmly believe that man was created from dust, and woman was created from the dust man's rib.

Anyone less religious than I is a heathen.
Anyone more religious than I is a fanatic.

My wacky beliefs are a matter of faith.
Your wacky beliefs are proof of how gullible you are.

376 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:17:17pm

Spacejesus is the uber nightmare of parents with daughters. Please God, don't let her bring that home, Please God...

377 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:17:40pm

re: #372 pink freud

SJ: What'jya do to piss off the koskiddies?

378 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:17:53pm
379 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:18:28pm

re: #370 Thanos

In 2011 when the textbook wars start a lot of people are going to be pointing and laughing at Texas.

Will it be anything like the clone wars?

380 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:19:08pm

re: #379 freetoken

Will it be anything like the clone wars?

Where's Yoda?

381 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:19:32pm

re: #374 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Jeebus lacks de soshul skeels.

he types...therefore he is

382 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:19:39pm

re: #378 NYCHardhat

Another politically incorrect word in today's 0-zone.

I saw yesterday where a Japanese firm has six floors leased.

383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:19:46pm

re: #378 NYCHardhat

They can call it whatever they want. Triumph Tower works for me.

384 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:20:22pm

re: #369 SpaceJesus

I'm not allowed there :(

I thought they were the Island of Misfit Toys?

385 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:20:23pm

re: #370 Thanos

Spacejesus is just ahead of the curve. In 2011 when the textbook wars start a lot of people are going to be pointing and laughing at Texas.

It seems to me that a lot of people who are reading about the McElroy Mob are pointing and laughing already...when they're not pointing and crying...

386 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:20:51pm

re: #380 NYCHardhat

Where's Yoda?

* Yoda, you seek Yoda*

387 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:21:15pm

re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They can call it whatever they want. Triumph Tower works for me.

I have a bad feeling that something like "Dhimmi Tower" is more what they are looking for.

388 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:21:16pm

re: #383 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They can call it whatever they want. Triumph Tower works for me.

Its going to be called One World Trade Center.

389 gringo69  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:21:25pm

Is the president part monkey? Sorry, had all day dose of NPR along the rio.

390 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:21:41pm

re: #386 DEZes

* Yoda, you seek Yoda*

Take you to him, I will.

391 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:21:53pm

re: #389 gringo69

No- he's all jackass.

392 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:02pm

re: #388 NYCHardhat

Its going to be called One World Trade Center.

Original. Ya gotta give em that?

393 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:05pm

re: #366 Sharmuta

Um- I've been critical of creationist republicans in this thread and previous ID threads, and yet I don't get down dings or people up in my grill. Perhaps it's your presentation.

Maybe..just maybe Spacedipshit has been a smartass to too many Lizards.
There is no mercy rule until he can be civil in the discussions here. and play nice with the Lizards..Period.
You feeling me spacejesus?

394 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:06pm

re: #384 NYCHardhat

I thought they were the Island of Misfit Toys?

Beer through the nostrils, GAK.

395 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:15pm

re: #389 gringo69

Is the president part monkey? Sorry, had all day dose of NPR along the rio.

racist/

396 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:19pm

re: #378 NYCHardhat

RIP: Freedom Tower

Coincidence?

The spat coincided with the signing on Thursday of the building's first commercial tenant -- a 21-year deal with China's Vantone Industrial Company.

The Chinese company will take up the entire 65th and 69th floors and part of the 64th with a business and cultural facility dubbed the China Center.

Freedom and China - does not compute.

397 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #370 Thanos

Spacejesus is just ahead of the curve. In 2011 when the textbook wars start a lot of people are going to be pointing and laughing at Texas.


Textbook Wars sounds like a pretty awesome chapter in history.

I predict a Texas blitzkrieg that will reach the outskirts of Riverside, before finally being pushed back by the limitless legions of atheist liberal muslim queers in a bloody struggle. The Texans will be led by Bobby "The Desert Fox" Jindal, and the rest of civilization led by Field Marshall Richard "Zhukov" Dawkins. By 2013, the rainbow flag with a darwin fish will fly over Houston.

398 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:22:39pm

re: #394 DEZes

Beer through the nostrils, GAK.

Sorry. I'm too drunk to laugh at my own jokes.

399 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:23:02pm

re: #393 HoosierHoops

Cool new avatar, HH.

400 Steve Rogers  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:23:07pm

I know this type of thing is hurting the Republicans and helping the Democrats. Apparently many Republicans -- especially the ones doing it -- don't know they are hurting themselves.

So aside from writing to various Republican leaders expressing disappointment with what their party is doing, what else can one do to help alleviate this situation?

Is it a generational thing? Will we have to wait for the next generation of Republicans to try and take back that party? By that time, the Democrats will have rigged the system so much in their favor, the U.S. could, for all practical purposes, be a one-party country.

What can we do?

401 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:23:37pm

Dance monkey dance!

402 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:23:40pm

re: #393 HoosierHoops

Well- perhaps my comment will give him food for thought, and he'll try a bit more civility in the future. Or not. I mostly ignore him.

403 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:23:44pm

re: #396 callahan23

Freedom and China - does not compute.

9/11 They are just trying to go on like it never happened. Well fuck them, I will never forget.

404 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:24:00pm

re: #390 NYCHardhat

Take you to him, I will.


Duct Tape...the Force it is like. Both a light side and a dark side it has. Binds the universe together it does!

405 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:24:20pm

re: #401 Charles

Dance monkey dance!


[Video]

ahhhh....I had that booked once....great!

406 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:24:38pm

re: #401 Charles

Dance monkey dance!


[Video]

I hate people who dance better than me.

407 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:24:44pm

re: #399 pink freud

Cool new avatar, HH.

Why thank you...I'm a proud Marine Parent..I can't help it

408 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:25:01pm

re: #404 Dustyvet

Duct Tape...the Force it is like. Both a light side and a dark side it has. Binds the universe together it does!

Thats awesome.

409 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:25:44pm

re: #400 Steve Rogers

I know this type of thing is hurting the Republicans and helping the Democrats. Apparently many Republicans -- especially the ones doing it -- don't know they are hurting themselves.

So aside from writing to various Republican leaders expressing disappointment with what their party is doing, what else can one do to help alleviate this situation?

Is it a generational thing? Will we have to wait for the next generation of Republicans to try and take back that party? By that time, the Democrats will have rigged the system so much in their favor, the U.S. could, for all practical purposes, be a one-party country.

What can we do?

We must get involved locally in the party and stop these people at that level before they move up the ladder.

410 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:25:52pm

re: #404 Dustyvet

Duct Tape...the Force it is like. Both a light side and a dark side it has. Binds the universe together it does!

Further proof that there is nothing Duct tape can't fix. ;)

411 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #403 NYCHardhat

9/11 They are just trying to go on like it never happened. Well fuck them, I will never forget.

And I will never forget 'n never forgive.
No sarc granted!

412 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:26:04pm

re: #404 Dustyvet

Duct Tape...the Force it is like. Both a light side and a dark side it has. Binds the universe together it does!

I cannot teach him. IQ of 30 has he. Hangs upside down in ice caves.

413 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:26:09pm

Christie Todd Whitman, interesting:

Along comes Ronald Reagan and the Reagan presidency. How important ideologically as a shift, as another place in the Republican arc, was the Reagan candidacy and presidency?

Reagan was very important. He was the kind of nationally acceptable face of conservatism. He was also very smart. He was someone who, while he was a strong supporter of the anti-abortion groups, he never went and talked to them personally when they were in Washington for their big rally. He kept a distance. He talked to people; he was inclusive. He said it. He said, "You don't get to be a majority party if you're always looking for groups with whom you won't associate."

He understood it. And he was able to reach out to people and make them feel OK. Even though they may not have agreed with him on every issue, they at least felt that he would respect them, he would listen to their opinion, and they felt comfortable with him. The nickname "the Great Communicator" meant something, and he really understood what it meant, and he understood how to do it.

And if you look at the policy he drove, there are some who will say on the far left, on the Democrat side, it was a radical shift to the right. It really wasn't. And it was more reflective of where the country was. And he was able to bring people together.


… How important was the pursuit of the vital center, the pursuit of the Reagan Democrat?

Clearly it was very important to his election. But the thing about it that differentiates it from what we're seeing at the hard edges, those who I call social fundamentalists now, is they were more centrist. And while it was still further off to the right than we'd been in the past, it wasn't as extreme as what we see today. And Ronald Reagan was very -- I mean, he's the one who said the 11th commandment, "Thou shall not speak ill of another Republican." That's totally gone by the boards.

And it's interesting, because while he was important to the conservative cause because of the legitimacy he gave to conservative representation and governance, it has been interpreted by some of those who want to develop very narrow litmus tests for what makes a good Republican as this is just the cover for us to really do what we want to do, [and] that Ronald Reagan would have approved. I don't think he would have for an instant [approved of] what's going on today.

And we've had another quantum shift. But there's been a gradual movement of the country to the right, let's say. There's nothing wrong with conservativism; I mean, I'm conservative on a lot of issues. But we have seen this movement toward the more hard edge on the social issues. And I think Ronald Reagan would have been very uncomfortable with much of what he would see today.


Help me understand what the shift is about. How did it happen? When did it start? When did you first notice that the Republican Party was moving toward the hard edges, as you say?

Well, it's been really with the last couple of election cycles, because Ronald Reagan, one of the things he did do was to reach out to dissident Democrats. He was building a base. What I see happening now, and we've seen over the last maybe eight years, starting in his second term when he was no longer going to be the nominee, this idea that instead of building your base once you're in office, you harden that base.

414 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:26:32pm

re: #411 callahan23

And I will never forget 'n never forgive.
No sarc granted!

Exactly.

415 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:26:45pm

re: #406 Nevergiveup

I hate people who dance better than me.

I can't hate everybody.

I'm losing weight by doing exercises like the Hula Hoop with the Wii Fit. Mrs. Hawk is losing weight by laughing at me doing exercises like the Hula Hoop with the Wii Fit.

416 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:26:53pm

re: #412 Dustyvet

I cannot teach him. IQ of 30 has he. Hangs upside down in ice caves.

LMAO! keep them coming! I need a reason to laugh.

417 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:28:13pm

re: #412 Dustyvet

I cannot teach him. IQ of 30 has he. Hangs upside down in ice caves.

Luke was an Ice planet moonbat?
Bwhahaha.

418 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:28:32pm
419 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:07pm

re: #408 NYCHardhat

Thats awesome.


Never underestimate the power of the dark side... or duct tape.

420 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:08pm

re: #413 funky chicken

Great post- thanks for sharing that. I completely agree with her assessment.

421 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:11pm

re: #418 NYCHardhat

I'm all for the Green Party.

On it, bring!

422 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:29:24pm

HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. (AP) - A patron at the I Don't Care Bar & Grill evidently didn't care about leaving until it was way past closing time and the door was locked.
The man, whose name was not released, told police in western Kentucky that he fell asleep inside the bar and when he got up to leave he set off the alarm.

Hopkinsville, Ky., police officers arrived a few minutes before 3 a.m. Friday to find him still locked inside the establishment and unable to find a way out.


So they helped him leave the bar.

No one was arrested. Evidently it's not a crime to be left behind after closing time at I Don't Care.

Hum? I should try that?

423 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:30:20pm

SLAM!....Dodd takes a hit

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

424 Olderthandirt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:30:34pm

My Grandfather wasn't a monkey although monkeying around was fun in my misspent youth. However, a few of my neighbors and certainly many politicians seem to be most simian in appearance, especially those of the Marxist/Socialist variety!

Maybe we need to take DNA samples from those of a simian nature and make sure they're really homo sapiens rather than just being saps. Well, now that I'm through monkeying around today, it's time to get ready for my weekly dose of Sarah Connor or perhaps Battlestar Galactica.

425 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:30:39pm

re: #393 HoosierHoops

You feeling me spacejesus?


no

426 Dustyvet  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:30:41pm

re: #416 NYCHardhat

LMAO! keep them coming! I need a reason to laugh.


So how did you like the funhouse in the cave, Luke?

427 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:31:28pm

re: #356 SanFranciscoZionist

Me too! I'll pay!

Oh, heck, yeah, same here.

Not descended from a monkey?

Truth in advertising; I look like a monkey. I'm talking the big, "Gorillas in the Mist" type, not the cute little playful type. Michael Chiklis with glasses from the neck up, and from the neck down... well, let's just say my pilocity level falls into the "Monk Mayfair" bracket (Doc Savage fans know what I mean).

When I read Origins by Dr. Louis S.B. Leakey at age 14, it made perfect sense to me. All I had to do to get the point was look in a frickin' mirror.

Which is why these IDiots and similar mysticism-obsessed clowns seriously annoy me. I personally don't care how delusional they want to be, but we have serious business to conduct in education in this country, especially in the sciences, and these a-holes are just getting in the way.

And sooner or later it's bound to backfire on them. Say, when some religious group they really don't like much demands that their version of Creation get equal time.

(Zymurgy's Law of Evolving Systems Dynamics; Once you open a can of worms, the only way to recan them is to get a bigger can.)

Since Texas is the biggest textbook market in the U.S., it's no wonder these bozos picked it to launch their "holy war" on science (that's what it is, in their minds). I think the best thing to do for the near future, other than not buy textbooks in the "hard" sciences (As a previous poster aid, biology and geology texts don't change much- I know, having used both a good bit), is to tell the publishers that any textbook that tries to push Creationism is DOA- because of Separation of Church and State.

In other words, let's call these IDiots' bluff.

See you in court, Discovery Institwits.

cheers

eon

428 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:31:38pm

re: #415 CyanSnowHawk

I can't hate everybody.

I'm losing weight by doing exercises like the Hula Hoop with the Wii Fit. Mrs. Hawk is losing weight by laughing at me doing exercises like the Hula Hoop with the Wii Fit.

My gf might be getting me a PS3 or Xbox360 for my birthday later this year. I'm actually seriously considering getting DDR and a pad for exercise, despite years of pointing and laughing at people doing it. I just hope theres a way to pick your own music for it.

429 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:31:44pm

re: #413 funky chicken

Christie Todd Whitman, interesting:

The American electorate has had "hard edges" on both sides of the aisle long before Reagan. It's one of the things we must tolerate in a free society.

430 Thor-Zone  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:32:07pm

Charles said, and I quote..

Absolutely pathetic.

I couldn't agree more! In fact "pathetic" doesn't even begin to describe this situation.

431 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:33:02pm

re: #12 2-Drink Minimum

Grandfather's grandfather's father's grandfather was . . .

my former roommate?

432 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:33:33pm

re: #419 Dustyvet

Never underestimate the power of the dark side... or duct tape.


Obama definitely reminds me of Emperor Palpatine.

433 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:33:35pm

another Hollywood moron speaks...gadzooks!


[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

434 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:33:40pm

re: #431 Eowyn2

my former roommate?

What does that make us?

Absolutely nothing.

435 pink freud  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:33:42pm

I wonder if he'll be laughing.

President Obama On "Face The Nation" Sunday

436 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:34:07pm

re: #409 Sharmuta

We must get involved locally in the party and stop these people at that level before they move up the ladder.

That wasn't good enough on the last thread, though. What's the difference?

437 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:34:13pm

re: #428 ArchangelMichael

My gf might be getting me a PS3 or Xbox360 for my birthday later this year. I'm actually seriously considering getting DDR and a pad for exercise, despite years of pointing and laughing at people doing it. I just hope theres a way to pick your own music for it.

We are getting the Disney DDR when it's available, which should be soon.

438 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:35:01pm

alas, she has finally made her way from the dank and solitude open thread into the holly go lightly of the current thread.

439 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:35:07pm

re: #432 NYCHardhat

Obama definitely reminds me of Emperor Palpatine.

Which one is the apprentice? Obama or the Teleprompter?

440 Eowyn2  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:35:41pm

re: #434 Sharmuta

I'm so glad someone else rides the same brainwaves as I do. Else they get too choppy.

441 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:35:51pm

re: #439 CyanSnowHawk

Which one is the apprentice? Obama or the Teleprompter?

Good one! I don't know. It's too early to tell.

442 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:36:25pm

re: #440 Eowyn2

I'm so glad someone else rides the same brainwaves as I do. Else they get too choppy.

Your Schwartz is as big as mine!

443 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:36:47pm

re: #441 NYCHardhat

Good one! I don't know. It's too early to tell.

Teleprompter, your fired!

444 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:37:24pm

re: #443 DEZes

Teleprompter, your fired!

I thought Obama was the dumb one. Shit!

445 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:37:40pm

re: #388 NYCHardhat

Its going to be called One World Trade Center.

Call it the Triumph of Multiculturalism Tower, Port Authority. That at least would be an honest expression of your mindset.

Sort of like The One and his minions talking about "Overseas Contingency Operations".

I suspect both lots go to bed at night wishing they could make 9/11 disappear Down The Memory Hole so they could Get Back To Business As Usual all over the world.

/We won't let it happen. Ever.

cheers

eon

446 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:37:44pm

re: #433 albusteve

another Hollywood moron speaks...gadzooks!

[Link: www.cnsnews.com...]

Oh no, not Wonder Woman!
She needs to be fighting for our rights, in her silky tights, not complaining of our pains, with her tiny brain.

447 karl__lembke  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:38:50pm
...the creationists on the board also managed to pass several amendments that will allow them to pressure textbook authors into including pseudoscience...


Maybe textbook authors should be pressured to include "both sides" in other fields, including (but not limited to):
• Crystals, aromatherapy, and spellcraft "theory" in health textbooks!
• Astrology "theory" in psychology textbooks!
• Flat Earth and Geocentrism "theory" in geography and geology textbooks!
• The IHR's "theory" on the Holocaust in history books!

The people have demanded it, let them have it, good and hard.

448 Thor-Zone  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:38:52pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My grandfather was Scottish...does that count for anything?

Aye! Break out the hagus and good bottle of scotch!

449 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:39:23pm

re: #435 pink freud

The last time he was on prime time TV, he was giggling like a nitrous-addled tweener at her first Phish concert
Let's just hope that this time he doesn't humiliate the nation with his pathetic attempts to seem charming while displaying his decidedly un-charming ignorance.

450 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:39:47pm

re: #436 wrenchwench

That wasn't good enough on the last thread, though. What's the difference?

No one suggested party involvement on the last thread as a means to control Congressional spending.

451 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:40:07pm

re: #444 NYCHardhat

I thought Obama was the dumb one. Shit!

He is. ;)

452 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:40:14pm

re: #446 CyanSnowHawk

Oh no, not Wonder Woman!
She needs to be fighting for our rights, in her silky tights, not complaining of our pains, with her tiny brain.

Wasn't she the one they found in a storm drain, barking at the moon?

453 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:40:38pm

re: #439 CyanSnowHawk

Which one is the apprentice? Obama or the Teleprompter?

Definitely The One. I suspect the Teleprompter of being a Twonky.

/If you get that reference, you are either a serious SciFan, or an even more serious Hans Conreid fan

cheers

eon

454 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:41:11pm

re: #436 wrenchwench

That wasn't good enough on the last thread, though. What's the difference?

Still waiting for you or anyone else to show me how elections are an effective means by which to control Congressional spending, BTW.

455 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:41:27pm

re: #452 Soona'

Wasn't she the one they found in a storm drain, barking at the moon?

I thought that was Lois Lane (Margot Kidder)?

456 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:41:28pm

re: #445 eon


Unfortunately, I wish I was free from sin. I however suffer from the 7th deadly sin of wrath. And I'm not even that religious.

457 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:41:54pm

Spacejesus is like a raccoon. Feed him, pay attention to him and he'll keep coming around. Ignore him and he'll eventually go away. He's just here to provoke people.

458 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:42:26pm

re: #453 eon

Definitely The One. I suspect the Teleprompter of being a Twonky.

/If you get that reference, you are either a serious SciFan, or an even more serious Hans Conreid fan

cheers

eon

All those conspiracy theorists, they were looking in the wrong direction. Obama is just a distraction. The Teleprompter controls the world now--and you fools didn't even see it coming!

Maniacal laughter, etc., etc.

459 USBeast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:42:55pm

re: #456 NYCHardhat

Unfortunately, I wish I was free from sin. I however suffer from the 7th deadly sin of wrath. And I'm not even that religious.

Unfortunately I wish more of my sins were free.;)

460 Yashmak  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:11pm

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Sic semper Tyrranosaurs!

Nice to see another Lizard is also a fan of Venture Brothers, the best cartoon series in the history of animation.

461 jaunte  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:22pm

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462 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:24pm

re: #459 USBeast

Me too.

463 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:24pm

re: #455 CyanSnowHawk

I thought that was Lois Lane (Margot Kidder)?

Maybe so. I get all the drug-addicted Hollywood types all mixed up.

464 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:47pm

re: #457 HelloDare

Spacejesus is like a raccoon. Feed him, pay attention to him and he'll keep coming around. Ignore him and he'll eventually go away. He's just here to provoke people.

Like a raccoon, however, he really doesn't do much harm. Knocks over a trash can or two. Sometimes sits up and looks human with his little paws.

If he starts bringing baby ones and raising them in the attic, though, I'm done.

465 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:43:57pm

Totally OT.

Tomorrow night is 'Earth Hour'.

I, for one, am going to turn on every light in my house during that hour. The only places on earth that are dark at night are the hell-holes of the world. Progressives are really regressive in their ideology.

466 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:44:12pm

re: #453 eon

Definitely The One. I suspect the Teleprompter of being a Twonky.

/If you get that reference, you are either a serious SciFan, or an even more serious Hans Conreid fan

cheers

eon

Had to look it up. Good description.

467 Shug  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:44:38pm

re: #465 rightymouse

Totally OT.

Tomorrow night is 'Earth Hour'.

I, for one, am going to turn on every light in my house during that hour. The only places on earth that are dark at night are the hell-holes of the world. Progressives are really regressive in their ideology.


I say we send every moonbat to Baghdad where as Michael Totten shows, it's dark at night

468 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:45:32pm

Last Christie Todd Whitman excerpt. I don't agree with everything she says, especially now that Specter, Snowe, and Collins voted for the ridiculous porkfest. But her comments about the "social fundamentalists" are pretty sharp.

We've been to Texas; we've been everywhere. Lots of people say what Rove did was he swallowed the bitter pill in the first term. He knew he had to do some bad stuff to keep the conservatives in line. So first term was really all about let's marginalize EPA, let's talk about gay initiatives and all that stuff, let's do all the bad stuff, and let's move more toward the center in the second term. Any sense from where you're sitting and the observations you've made that that's likely to be what's really going to happen?

I think they've created a monster in many ways, because of that focus during the first term on the base and on those hot-button issues, they brought in a number of senators. When you have a United States senator who says that if you allow gay marriage, that means you're going to have to have your children accept the fact that a man can marry a box turtle -- I mean, it's mind-boggling to me. And a very intelligent man said that, but that's the mind-set.

When you have someone who has come into office now who says that any doctor, whoever performs an abortion should get the death penalty, that's pretty extreme. Again, important issues perhaps that need a lot of discussion, [but] I would say that probably the majority of the American people would say they care more about tax reform and Social Security reform and Medicare and Medicaid reform than they do about those issues. But they still can believe passionately about those issues.

I think in many ways they're going to find that it's not going to be so easy to move back to the center, because these people feel very empowered. They know this is the president's last term. He is not going to be re-elected, and ... he can have a big impact on their re-election if he comes in to work for them. There's been redistricting now. They're pretty locked into those districts. They don't have to compromise. They don't feel they have to compromise.

And since they were elected and encouraged to be elected on some of these very harsh principles, they're going to look and say: "Well, why should I change? I'm going to be here. You're going to leave; I'm going to be here. This is my district. I won being this way, so there's nothing in it for me to change."

It's a great image, the idea that they created a monster. The unintended consequences --

The unintended consequences, I think, are going to be a problem. …

Is it your sense that ... they really are hopeful about laying down a Republican legacy for a long, long time? ...

I think the president really wants to leave a policy legacy. He wants to leave it internationally, and he wants to leave it domestically, and he always has. That's been his focus. It's interesting; Bob Novak wrote a column not too long ago saying, "Is the president moving to the middle?," as if that was the worst thing he could say, saying that there were all these signs from things that the White House had been saying that they might be trying to move to the middle. And that was scaring the conservatives.

That's ridiculous. This is their president. He is probably, as I indicated in the book, the most conservative president on social issues that I've known. But I still support him because of the other issues that are out there. The litmus test is going to get very, very hard for even the president to meet. ...I care deeply about the Republican Party, and that's why I wrote the book, and that's why I have the Web site. I have a Web site there that's mypartytoo.com, in order to give people, moderates, a place to go, a place to get reinforcement and to support other moderate candidates around the country, starting at the grassroots level.
We've got to be as good at starting at the grassroots level as the social fundamentalists have been over the last 10 years.

469 USBeast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:45:38pm

re: #465 rightymouse

Totally OT.

Tomorrow night is 'Earth Hour'.

I, for one, am going to turn on every light in my house during that hour. The only places on earth that are dark at night are the hell-holes of the world. Progressives are really regressive in their ideology.

Ditto. I'm constantly looking for ways to increase my carbon footprint.

470 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:45:55pm

You also can't legally bar creationists from public office as it's unconstitutional. The only way to keep them out of office is to not elect them to those positions.

On the other hand, you can pass an amendment forcing Congress to balance the budget if you find elections are not an effective enough tool by which to control spending.

Please, again, someone show me how elections have been an effective method to prevent deficit spending.

471 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:46:10pm

We Need Federal Legislation and Public Agitation to Save the Planet
Congressman Jim McDermott

Let me give you some idea of the challenges we have to overcome to have any hope of reversing the effects of climate change before it is too late. A few weeks ago the House Ways and Means Committee, of which I am a Member, held a hearing on climate change. One prominent witness called by the other party to testify said he didn't think climate change was real. He said it with a straight face and using deep tones meant to convey that he was the expert and we were rank amateurs. In other words, he believes the rest of us are just making a big fuss over nothing at all. When he was finished, I was incredulous - but worried that his denial might be appealing to a lot of people who would prefer to keep living in the dark until the lights literally go out.

I believe we not only have to act urgently, as if the future of the planet depended upon it (because it does), but also I believe we need to address one of the fundamental issues around the crisis – providing a stable market that will both allow producers of greenhouse gas emissions to finance their transformation to clean energy, and encourage separate investments directly in new clean and renewable energy.

472 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:46:23pm

re: #467 Shug

I say we send every moonbat to Baghdad where as Michael Totten shows, it's dark at night

Better yet => North Korea.

473 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:47:00pm

re: #465 rightymouse

Totally OT.

Tomorrow night is 'Earth Hour'.

I, for one, am going to turn on every light in my house during that hour. The only places on earth that are dark at night are the hell-holes of the world. Progressives are really regressive in their ideology.

I was tempted to go out and get a new bulb for my outdoor safety light on the corner of the garage, but I'm not spending that money to make a point that most of my neighbors will miss.

474 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:47:19pm

re: #470 Sharmuta

You also can't legally bar creationists from public office as it's unconstitutional. The only way to keep them out of office is to not elect them to those positions.

On the other hand, you can pass an amendment forcing Congress to balance the budget if you find elections are not an effective enough tool by which to control spending.

Please, again, someone show me how elections have been an effective method to prevent deficit spending.

Other than 94 I can't

475 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:47:30pm

re: #467 Shug

I say we send every moonbat to Baghdad where as Michael Totten shows, it's dark at night

Also much of Africa and of course, North Korea.

476 Basho  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:47:59pm

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

Once again, the ID camp shows themselves to be less a research group than a gaggle of stumblebum clowns, with the capacity to embarrass themselves with their own incompetence.
477 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:48:12pm

re: #450 Sharmuta

No one suggested party involvement on the last thread as a means to control Congressional spending.

Now that it has come up, is it a valid idea?


re: #454 Sharmuta

Still waiting for you or anyone else to show me how elections are an effective means by which to control Congressional spending, BTW.

That's just snark. It's worked in the past, it will work in the future. That fact that it's not working right now demonstrates that elections change things. So we must win elections, and yes, get involved in the party.

478 USBeast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:48:15pm

re: #471 JCM

We Need Federal Legislation and Public Agitation to Save the Planet
Congressman Jim McDermott

"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."

479 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:48:29pm

re: #465 rightymouse

Totally OT.

Tomorrow night is 'Earth Hour'.

I, for one, am going to turn on every light in my house during that hour. The only places on earth that are dark at night are the hell-holes of the world. Progressives are really regressive in their ideology.

My house is pretty much lit up anyway. Earthers can eat my......., just sayin'.

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481 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:48:51pm

re: #478 USBeast

"When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."

Oh Crumb!

482 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:49:04pm

re: #474 NYCHardhat

Other than 94 I can't

You mean 1994 when republicans ran on, among other things, a constitutional amendment to balance the budget?

483 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:49:19pm

re: #465 rightymouse

Celebrate the abundance and prosperity afforded by Western Civilization and its offspring capitalism and freedom. That's what I'm going to do.

484 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:49:35pm

re: #473 CyanSnowHawk

I was tempted to go out and get a new bulb for my outdoor safety light on the corner of the garage, but I'm not spending that money to make a point that most of my neighbors will miss.

I live in the middle of the boonies and nobody will notice, so I'm doing it just...well...because.

485 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:49:48pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

You mean 1994 when republicans ran on, among other things, a constitutional amendment to balance the budget?

Yes.

486 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:50:08pm

re: #477 wrenchwench

I need a link to show where elections have controlled congressional spending.

487 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:50:37pm

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

488 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:50:38pm

re: #456 NYCHardhat

Unfortunately, I wish I was free from sin. I however suffer from the 7th deadly sin of wrath. And I'm not even that religious.

I can truthfully say that I have never been "angry" about that day. "Anger clouds judgment" as Sun-Tzu once said. I prefer that my enemy get angry- then, he's not thinking clearly. Which is to my advantage.

Besides, I was always taught that getting mad was never nearly as satisfying, useful, or efficient as getting even.

In this case, like Pearl Harbor, with one f**k of a lot of interest tacked on to the bill.

/Did I mention that I have, in the past, made people around me nervous?

cheers

eon

489 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:50:41pm

re: #470 Sharmuta

You also can't legally bar creationists from public office as it's unconstitutional. The only way to keep them out of office is to not elect them to those positions.

On the other hand, you can pass an amendment forcing Congress to balance the budget if you find elections are not an effective enough tool by which to control spending.

Please, again, someone show me how elections have been an effective method to prevent deficit spending.


I like that idea.

490 gringo69  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:51:02pm

re: #418 NYCHardhat

Use the force Luke. Teleprompter strong his is, but beaten he can be!

491 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:51:29pm

Snark? What snark? Why are you so opposed to making congress control it's spending? And why are you so determined I should accept the electorate is capable of holding these people's feet to the fire?

492 Yashmak  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:51:55pm

Well, at least they got rid of the worst of the verbiage.

I long for the day when rationalism re-asserts itself in our society, and we move away from this sort of knee-jerk reactionary b.s. (from both sides of the political aisle).

Politicizing our schools is bad for our children, regardless of the issue. The point of education is to provide the young with the tools to provide for themselves as adults, and to engage in critical thinking. . .

Now we seem to be muddying the waters between evidentiary matters of science and fact, and faith-based matters of belief. How are our children supposed to learn to differentiate between the two?

493 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:51:58pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Gracious as ever. The little putz.

494 Gus  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:52:22pm

"My Grandfather Was Not a Monkey!"

Another product of "critical thinking."

//

495 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:52:31pm

re: #479 Soona'

My house is pretty much lit up anyway. Earthers can eat my......., just sayin'.

Amen.

496 Thor-Zone  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:52:41pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Note to Sen Reid.....BITE ME!

497 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:52:49pm

re: #488 eon

I can truthfully say that I have never been "angry" about that day. "Anger clouds judgment" as Sun-Tzu once said. I prefer that my enemy get angry- then, he's not thinking clearly. Which is to my advantage.

Besides, I was always taught that getting mad was never nearly as satisfying, useful, or efficient as getting even.

In this case, like Pearl Harbor, with one f**k of a lot of interest tacked on to the bill.

/Did I mention that I have, in the past, made people around me nervous?

cheers

eon

Anger is a gift.

498 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:10pm

re: #497 NYCHardhat

Anger is a gift.

Rage Against the Machine.

499 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:20pm

re: #457 HelloDare

Spacejesus is like a raccoon. Feed him, pay attention to him and he'll keep coming around. Ignore him and he'll eventually go away. He's just here to provoke people.

Thank you for that...My issue with him is that he has come here in the past late at night and then acts like a jerk to some sweet lizards. uncalled for IMHO. He has never been an asshole to me..But probably smart on his part.
Ok Lizards! March Madness starts in 10 minutes! I'll post at half time either really happy or ask how many knots go into a noose..LOL
The best feature Charles has here is the autopilot checkbox.. Kudo's Charles!
Kind Regards Lizards...

500 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:21pm

re: #483 ArchangelMichael

Celebrate the abundance and prosperity afforded by Western Civilization and its offspring capitalism and freedom. That's what I'm going to do.


Speaking of abundance and prosperity, it's time for dinner. Grilled steak and veggies with choco martinis for me. :)

501 jaunte  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:37pm

Sorry all, I put a bad link in previously. Here's the link to contribute to Texas Freedom Network, the folks who are doing the front-lines work to preserve science standards in Texas textbooks. Show them some lizard love.

[Link: www.tfn.org...]

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:42pm
503 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:53:48pm

re: #498 Sharmuta

Rage Against the Machine.

Have I told you that you are awesome today? I think I'm behind my quota.

504 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:54:12pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Just like Bush misled him on the war. Pretty gullible for a guy in such a responsible position.

505 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:54:12pm

re: #503 NYCHardhat

506 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:55:16pm

re: #499 HoosierHoops

Spacewho?

507 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:55:43pm

Juan Williams/ Beetle Barnes are on Fox. Juan thinks that Al Gore's "reporters" are being held as a chip lest we shoot down the NoKo rocket. Let the conspiracy theorists run with that one.

508 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:55:49pm

AIG Bailouts were a problem.
Why not the GE Bailouts?

So while the Obamaphiles in the press fell "hook, line and sinker" for the AIG bail-out madness, General Electric got a bail-out that was nearly as large and they were handing out salaries as well.

[snip]

In a wild rant on MSNBC—owned by General Electric–Keith Olbermann denounced Citigroup CEO Vikram Pandit’s salary, AIG, Northern Trust, and other bailouts recipients, which he called “vast engorged gluttonous multinational corporations whose sneezes can be fatal to our jobs, whose mistakes can turn us into the homeless, whose accounting errors can be so panoramic that they can make our economy tremble and force us to hand them billions after billions in a blackmail scheme that has come to be known as ‘bailout.’”
509 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW, the funniest thing I have seen on SNL in a couple of years.

That is sooooooo fucking funny.

510 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:56:31pm

re: #497 NYCHardhat

Anger is a gift.

Anger?

511 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:57:06pm

re: #505 Sharmuta

[Video]

It kinda makes sense now.

512 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:57:18pm
Rudy: GOP Becoming "Ideologically Narrower"
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said that the Republican Party is becoming ideologically and geographically narrower, and said that social issues have driven away many former GOP voters.
Giuliani said the Republicans must learn how to again become competitive in states like California, New York, and Illinois — particularly in those states' suburban communities — during an interview with the conservative website The New Majority.
"We have to deliberately have a policy of running candidates that can win in the New Yorks, the Californias, the Illinois, and in the satellite states," Giuliani said. "We have to be able to emphasize the issues that are of concern to the voters, and not alienate them on issues that just don't work in certain parts of the country."
Giuliani said that means running candidates who are more centrist on social issues like gay rights and abortion, while maintaining a stronger focus on fiscal, military, and foreign policy stances.
"Those are issues on which we can get a majority of the American people, if we don't drive them away with the social issues," the onetime Republican presidential nominee said. He added that electoral math does not support the idea that Republicans would have won the 2008 election had they been more conservative.
"Our base is our base, and is not getting bigger. If anything, it's getting smaller," Giuliani stated. "[Democrats] focused on their broadest organizing principles, and left room for disagreement, whereas we focused on our narrowest organizing principles and didn't leave room for disagreement."

[Link: www.republican-leadership.com...]

513 Mirage  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:57:19pm

re: #471 JCM

We Need Federal Legislation and Public Agitation to Save the Planet
Congressman Jim McDermott

Isn't McDermott another of those elected officials that needs to go?

514 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:58:02pm

re: #511 NYCHardhat

What does the billboard say?
Come and play, come and play!
Forget about the movement.

515 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:01pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Can we apply the same rule to whining senators that Charles applies to whining posters?

516 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:06pm

re: #513 Mirage

Isn't McDermott another of those elected officials that needs to go?

Absolutely.

The Felon Baghdad Jim McDimwitt should go. But those moonbats in Seattle keep electing him with 80% margins (including ACORN voters).

517 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:07pm

re: #514 Sharmuta

What does the billboard say?
Come and play, come and play!
Forget about the movement.

I miss the comfort in being sad.

518 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:16pm

re: #514 Sharmuta

What does the billboard say?
Come and play, come and play!
Forget about the movement.


Wwwrrreeeeehhhhaaaaaaa!

519 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:31pm

re: #512 funky chicken

Rudy, while a swell guy, has been 100% wrong about what would "work" for the Republican Party since at least 2003.
I'm not taking hitting advice from a guy who batted .120.

520 Mirage  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 3:59:33pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

And Reid tells the truth whenever he speaks ... what a lame duck.

521 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:00:49pm

re: #517 NYCHardhat

I miss the comfort in being sad.

522 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:00:54pm

Sharmuta, you might be interested in this group:


The Republican Leadership Council supports:

* Low taxes with balanced budgets;
* Strong national defense;
* Engaged foreign policy;
* Protection of the environment; and
* Less government interference in individual lives.

This is an agenda that the majority of Americans already support. The responsibility of ensuring that the GOP follows the proper path lies with those Republicans who are willing to work to make it happen. Join us in reclaiming our Party and ensuring a return to the core values the Republican Party has advocated for generations.

This site is a meeting ground for all Republicans who want to make a difference – and expand the Republican party - check out our blog, news, candidates or volunteer today! Thank you for visiting – we look forward to seeing you on the campaign trail.


Sincerely yours,

Gov. Christie Whitman & Sen. Jack Danforth

[Link: www.republican-leadership.com...]

523 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:01:33pm

re: #504 HelloDare

Just like Bush misled him on the war. Pretty gullible for a guy in such a responsible position.

LOL, that was always my argument when a moonbat whined that GWB had tricked us, or stolen 2 elections. I always counter with, If GWB is so stupid, then how has a moronic knuckle dragging baboon, the likes of which you are convinced he is, "trick" the majority of the USA twice in a row? They hate that question.

524 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:01:42pm

re: #517 NYCHardhat

Mesa fired?
* No, mesa fried*

[Link: www.atom.com...]

525 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:01:43pm

re: #487 CapeCoddah

Anyone seen this yet? the Honorable/ Sen. Reid whining that Chief Justice Roberts "misled" them during his confirmation about how conservative he is?
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

When will he start complaining that Obama misled him about his 'lack of experience' not being a problem for a POTUS?

526 Lee Coller  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:02:26pm

re: #525 CyanSnowHawk

When will he start complaining that Obama misled him about his 'lack of experience' not being a problem for a POTUS?

Did you hear Cindy Sheehan complaining about him the other night?

527 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:02:31pm

re: #515 Lee Coller

Can we apply the same rule to whining senators that Charles applies to whining posters?

Now THAT would be worthy of a Constitutional Amendment!

528 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:02:42pm

re: #521 Sharmuta

I like this game.

529 Mirage  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:02:51pm

re: #432 NYCHardhat

Obama definitely reminds me of Emperor Palpatine.

Palpatine spoke without a teleprompter and could electrify his audience (quite literally) :D

530 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:03:29pm

re: #526 Lee Coller

Did you hear Cindy Sheehan complaining about him the other night?

If she were standing in front of me using a bullhorn I wouldn't hear what she was saying.

531 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:03:35pm

re: #482 Sharmuta

You mean 1994 when republicans ran on, among other things, a constitutional amendment to balance the budget?

The congressional repubs. really had few choices when GW (moderate) was elected.

532 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:03:39pm

re: #529 Mirage
You see my point.

533 USBeast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:04:04pm

The Constitution originally required that Senators be selected by the legislatures of the several states. The 17th Amendment changed that and now the Senate is filled with bought and paid for nincompoops who spend most of their time sucking up to the money instead of attending to the Republic's business. A balanced budget amendment might be a good thing, but, in my view, the repeal of the 17th Amendment would have a far greater effect.

534 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:04:06pm

re: #471 JCM

We Need Federal Legislation and Public Agitation to Save the Planet
Congressman Jim McDermott

Allow producers of greenhouse gas emissions to finance their transformation to clean energy, and encourage separate investments directly in clean and renewable energy.

Congressman McDermott's Things To Do List;

1. Reinstitute the ban on offshore drilling

2. Sequester all land everywhere to prevent any exploration for oil or mineral resources

3. Kill nuclear power once and for all

4. Build solar plants- everywhere except where they might actually work (get with Feinstein about blocking them in the Mojave)

5. Ditto wind farms (get with Kennedy to keep them off Martha's Vineyard and Vashon Island)

6. Repeal Ohm's Law

7. Repeal the Second Law of Thermodynamics

8. In fact, repeal all three Laws of Thermodynamics

9. Demand the U.S. Patent Office release all designs for Perpetual Motion Machines, Free Energy Engines, and 100-MPG carburetors (for our limos and their motorcycle escorts) immediately

That ought to teach the peasants who they're dealing with!

///// Do I need to?

cheers

eon

535 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:04:14pm

re: #527 CapeCoddah

Now THAT would be worthy of a Constitutional Amendment!

The Stinky Amendment!

/Might need a little work on the name.

536 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:05:22pm

re: #522 funky chicken

Thanks.

And just so I'm crystal clear on this- I've never said that there shouldn't be party involvement to deal with issues. I suggested the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and the response has been I should have faith in the election process. Sorry, but I don't have that faith anymore. Congress needs more than a nudge to balance the budget besides an empty threat of removal from office. Why is it an empty threat? Because we don't follow through. Should we get more involved? Absolutely. Still don't believe it will constrain spending.

537 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:05:36pm

re: #523 CapeCoddah

LOL, that was always my argument when a moonbat whined that GWB had tricked us, or stolen 2 elections. I always counter with, If GWB is so stupid, then how has a moronic knuckle dragging baboon, the likes of which you are convinced he is, "trick" the majority of the USA twice in a row? They hate that question.

That's why they said that Rove was Bush's brain and made Cheney into such a villain. But of course, Obama was totally responsible for the success of his campaign. Wonder who they'll pin the blame on for all his screw-ups? Obama is pushing the "inherited deficit" meme but it's not being received all that well.

538 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:06:47pm

re: #531 Soona'

The congressional repubs. really had few choices when GW (moderate) was elected.

They had the choice to remain true to fiscally conservative principles. They lost the majority. Now we have even worse spenders in Congress. And I'm supposed to think elections will control this. I say, FEH!

539 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:07:06pm

re: #535 CyanSnowHawk

The Stinky Amendment!

/Might need a little work on the name.

The Pipe Wrench, or Attitude Adjustment Amendment

I think Stinky should be installed as the head of the sorely needed Congress Patrol. Mandy and Walter at the doors to each chamber, respectively.

540 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:07:19pm

re: #537 HelloDare

That's why they said that Rove was Bush's brain and made Cheney into such a villain. But of course, Obama was totally responsible for the success of his campaign. Wonder who they'll pin the blame on for all his screw-ups? Obama is pushing the "inherited deficit" meme but it's not being received all that well.

The cabinet that he has populated with sacrificial anodes.

541 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:07:59pm

Right now, Krauthammer is on Hugh Hewitts show.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:08:25pm

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

543 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:08:45pm

For NYCHardhat- All of which are American dreams.....

544 lostlakehiker  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:09:14pm

There's something fishy about an evolution thread that just monkeys around. Why does the DI object when even Primates of the Church are on board? We're all prellated. It's Friday, and the Mollusques are chanting agreement. On Sunday, there will be Rheims of evidence, presented with nicely colored Chartres.

If I keep on in this vein, I'll surely earn my coveted Darwin Award for best exposition of how monkeys at a keyboard can write and make as much sense as a lizard, so I'll just clam up.

/drunk

545 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:09:18pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

It already has. It topped the 40.1 ft. mark this morning.

546 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:09:34pm

Louisville vs Arizona--fine dandy--but I am on the east coast--why can't I see Syracuse?

547 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:13pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

Louisville vs Arizona--fine dandy--but I am on the east coast--why can't I see Syracuse?

Oh OK I see--staggered starts

548 Mirage  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:23pm

re: #540 CyanSnowHawk

The cabinet that he has populated with sacrificial anodes.

Throw in a few cathodes and maybe it'll spark something useful?

549 CapeCoddah  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:28pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

It's the South Pole Ice Caps melting, dummy! It is warmer in the South!//

550 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:28pm

Has anyone seen this? And the government wants to socialize healthcare. There's already a good example of the problems in the VA.

551 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:39pm

re: #547 Nevergiveup

Oh OK I see--staggered starts

Don't worry I always talk to myself?

552 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:10:56pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

Since you asked.....

Obama cites North Dakota floods in call for climate change action

President Obama says potentially historic flood levels in North Dakota are a clear example of why steps need to be taken to stop global warming. Heavy rain and blizzards have caused eight rivers in the state to swell to flood levels and emergency management officials are warily watching the Red River, which could surpass record levels late this week.
553 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:11:24pm

re: #538 Sharmuta

They had the choice to remain true to fiscally conservative principles. They lost the majority. Now we have even worse spenders in Congress. And I'm supposed to think elections will control this. I say, FEH!

Wellllll, if people would vote out pork kings like Stevens, Lott, Cochran, et al in GOP primaries, elections could change spending. Unfortunately voters aren't informed enough, or just don't care. It's very frustrating. But it would certainly help to get voters behind candidates who care about fiscal discipline. How else would you get a balanced budged amendment going?

554 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:11:41pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

Louisville vs Arizona--fine dandy--but I am on the east coast--why can't I see Syracuse?

I think it's staggered starts. Not sure tho...

Maybe I should check with Nevergiveup...

555 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:12:45pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

Dude, the huge amounts of snow melted. Don't you know that it has to be warm for snow to melt?

//

556 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:12:50pm

re: #543 Sharmuta

I don't know how you are in regards to the "new" stuff. I'll give it a try.

People won't be people when they hear this sound
That's been glowing in the dark at the edge of town.

557 Randall Gross  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:13:16pm

re: #522 funky chicken

I got a letter from Danforth today asking for funds, looks like CTW is going to take a run at something to me.

558 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:13:30pm

re: #550 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Has anyone seen this? And the government wants to socialize healthcare. There's already a good example of the problems in the VA.

The First Rule; Read The Instructions.

Sadly, you are correct. This is a foretaste of what is to come.

cheers

eon

559 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:13:33pm

re: #546 Nevergiveup

Louisville vs Arizona--fine dandy--but I am on the east coast--why can't I see Syracuse?

Don't know.. Isn't Lucas Oil Stadium awesome? Great place to visit..You can walk around the 2nd level and see every kind of race car..Dragsters, Indy, NASCAR, F-1..Great food..You can just walk around and have fun.

560 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:13:42pm

OMG global warming causes blizzards in North Dakota

good grief

561 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:14:37pm

re: #560 funky chicken

OMG global warming causes blizzards in North Dakota

good grief

How much Al Gore is expected to fall?

562 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:14:46pm

re: #559 HoosierHoops

Don't know.. Isn't Lucas Oil Stadium awesome? Great place to visit..You can walk around the 2nd level and see every kind of race car..Dragsters, Indy, NASCAR, F-1..Great food..You can just walk around and have fun.

Food. Gee I'm hungry for something good that's bad for me.

563 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:15:05pm

re: #552 JCM

Wow. Silly me, I thought it was Spring that caused thaws like this.

564 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:15:06pm

re: #560 funky chicken
I'm still waiting for "the planet to begin to heal" like Barry promised.
I assume these floods are just mild abrasions.

565 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:15:30pm

re: #536 Sharmuta

Thanks.

And just so I'm crystal clear on this- I've never said that there shouldn't be party involvement to deal with issues. I suggested the return of the Balanced Budget Amendment, and the response has been I should have faith in the election process. Sorry, but I don't have that faith anymore. Congress needs more than a nudge to balance the budget besides an empty threat of removal from office. Why is it an empty threat? Because we don't follow through. Should we get more involved? Absolutely. Still don't believe it will constrain spending.

I agree with you, Sharm. But what do we do besides the things we can't discuss. I sit here and listen to everyone, trying to think of anything that would be civil, like voting (which is really the only civil recourse we have). What else is there? Our so-called representatives are no longer listening to us, so trying to communicate verbally or in writing has become a useless exercise. What do we do?

566 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:15:51pm

re: #563 CyanSnowHawk

Wow. Silly me, I thought it was Spring that caused thaws like this.

It can't be a natural cycle, it must be caused by man!

567 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:15:59pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am truly concerned for the folks of the upper midwest, especially Fargo.

{Fargo}

This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

I hope Obama handles the tragedy well. The loss of human life aside, this could be very embracing for Kanye West . What if Barack doesn't care about white people.

568 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:16:49pm

Connecticut School Bans Physical Contact
East Shore M.S. Outlaws "High-Fives," "Hugging" And Horseplay Of Any Kind; Violators May Face Expulsion

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

What's next, Prohibition?

569 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:16:57pm

re: #557 Thanos

I got a letter from Danforth today asking for funds, looks like CTW is going to take a run at something to me.

I hope it's the US Senate. She'd actually have a shot at unseating a dem Senator there in NJ.

570 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:17:21pm

re: #568 Nevergiveup

No. Obama plans to call off Christmas.

571 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:17:43pm

re: #552 JCM

I think some of that flood water creating pressure on Obama's brain.

572 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:17:56pm

re: #567 HelloDare

I hope Obama handles the tragedy well. The loss of human life aside, this could be very embracing for Kanye West . What if Barack doesn't care about white people.

At least, it appears North Dakota knows what it is doing.

573 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:18:13pm

re: #570 NYCHardhat

No. Obama plans to call off Christmas.

Kwanzaa? Or however you spell that?

574 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:18:20pm

re: #570 NYCHardhat

No. Obama plans to call off Christmas.

Great, and for the first time in my life I started shopping early.
/

575 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:18:35pm

re: #569 funky chicken

I hope it's the US Senate. She'd actually have a shot at unseating a dem Senator there in NJ.

NJ is a mess. I hope Christie gets in.

576 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:19:16pm

re: #524 DEZes

That hurt.

Still laughing.

577 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:20:05pm

well, dogs say it's time for some attention. see ya guys.

578 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:20:16pm

re: #552 JCM

Of course, it would never occur to The Exalted One, or his Energy Guru, Dr. Chu, that the excessive snow buildup necessary to cause that sort of flooding is inconsistent with global warming.

After all, they regard a preoccupation with insignificant details like the actual amount of environmental water available in the area to be the meaningless carpings of lesser minds than their own brilliant ones.

/ There is nothing more dangerous than a zealot who is also an arrogant idiot.

cheers

eon

579 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:20:23pm

re: #553 funky chicken

The failure of the 1994 "revolution" is that as soon as they thought we weren't watching they reverted back to big spending. Sure, we can use elections to try to deal with this issue, but it fails because instead of getting a more fiscally responsible person on the ballot and in office, we usually get a democrat who could care less about controlling spending. There's nothing you can do to stop the spending except make them via legislation/amendment, because elections are the weakest form spending control I can think of. They have utterly failed us as a mechanism to control spending. While we spend years working within the system to deal with republican socialist, in the meantime spending is out of control.

I have suggested bringing the balanced budget amendment back to the front, use it as a campaign platform to get back in power, and push for this measure. When it fails, instead of abandoning it, continue to run on it until we get the votes needed to pass it. This would bring fiscal responsibility back to the forefront of conservatism, where I think it should be. Then the next time they think we're not watching their spending habits, they still have to keep spending in check because we forced the issue. They will never control themselves on their own, and the threat of removal from office isn't taken seriously by them, so why should I take it seriously?

580 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:20:45pm

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

I see she has a collagen education.

She does look extra smart.

581 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:21:05pm

re: #572 Mr. In get Mr. Out

At least, it appears North Dakota knows what it is doing.

No surprise. John Hoeven, the Governor of N.D., is a Republican.

582 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:21:29pm

re: #576 Fat Jolly Penguin

That hurt.

Still laughing.

Sorry. ;)

583 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:22:09pm

rested, refreshed, & reloaded, with a freshly-baked batch of up-dings, cupcakes, and /sarc tags...

584 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:22:39pm

Welcome to the New Dark Ages!

585 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:23:31pm

I wanna be sedated.

586 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:23:36pm

re: #579 Sharmuta

The failure of the 1994 "revolution" is that as soon as they thought we weren't watching they reverted back to big spending. Sure, we can use elections to try to deal with this issue, but it fails because instead of getting a more fiscally responsible person on the ballot and in office, we usually get a democrat who could care less about controlling spending. There's nothing you can do to stop the spending except make them via legislation/amendment, because elections are the weakest form spending control I can think of. They have utterly failed us as a mechanism to control spending. While we spend years working within the system to deal with republican socialist, in the meantime spending is out of control.

I have suggested bringing the balanced budget amendment back to the front, use it as a campaign platform to get back in power, and push for this measure. When it fails, instead of abandoning it, continue to run on it until we get the votes needed to pass it. This would bring fiscal responsibility back to the forefront of conservatism, where I think it should be. Then the next time they think we're not watching their spending habits, they still have to keep spending in check because we forced the issue. They will never control themselves on their own, and the threat of removal from office isn't taken seriously by them, so why should I take it seriously?

And how does any ammendment or repeal of an ammendment get started? Congress. Good luck with that.

587 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:23:39pm

re: #583 Querent

rested, refreshed, & reloaded, with a freshly-baked batch of up-dings, cupcakes, and /sarc tags...

I'm fresh out of cupcakes.:(
But I have a pineapple upside down cake. ;)

588 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:23:43pm
589 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:24:26pm

re: #566 JCM

It can't be a natural cycle, it must be caused by man!

That would sound more effective if you said it like Capt. Kirk.

It. can't! be. a. natural! cycle., it. must! be. caused. by. man!

590 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #585 Racer X

I wanna be sedated.

591 kawfytawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:25:10pm

OT

Can anyone point me in the right direction to get a list of earmarks in the stimulus bill. I found one for the omnibus...but not the stimulus.

My congressman sent me a letter stating why, after dissent from his constituency, he voted for it...the creep....he honestly said not one dime was spent on earmarks.

592 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:25:50pm

re: #586 Soona'

Running on a fiscally sound platform including the balanced budget amendment gave us control of both houses of Congress in 1994. I believe it would work again. First we take back Congress, then we take back our wallets in no uncertain terms- Washington must balance their own checkbook like the rest of us do.

593 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:25:53pm

re: #583 Querent

rested, refreshed, & reloaded, with a freshly-baked batch of up-dings, cupcakes, and /sarc tags...

So you're au querent

594 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:26:04pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


This flood is expected to break the previous flood record set 112 years ago. How can people talk about global warming stuff with this?

Because increased precipitation in the upper latitudes is expected as one of the results of increased energy content in the lower atmosphere and oceans.

595 eon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:26:07pm

Well, I have to sign off for the night. Early morning tomorrow.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

cheers

eon

596 Zimriel  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:26:21pm

A budget amendment would trigger a run to the courts, if the legislature and executive failed to balance the books. It's an antidemocratic gesture.

I guess that's why I like it.

597 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:26:36pm

re: #586 Soona'

And how does any ammendment or repeal of an ammendment get started? Congress. Good luck with that.

It's going to take individuals pushing for it every chance. If they begin to win landslide elections, others will follow.

598 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:26:58pm

re: #590 wrenchwench

Really- please tell me why you're so opposed to my suggestion. Why do you feel a balanced budget amendment is wrong?

599 Nevergiveup  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:27:03pm

OK lets go orangemen!

600 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:27:08pm

re: #588 ploome hineni

:}

they don;t care

yeah sorry, fake breasts are gauche.

601 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:27:30pm

re: #595 eon

Well, I have to sign off for the night. Early morning tomorrow.

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep well.

cheers

eon

take care eon.

602 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:27:55pm

re: #591 kawfytawk

OT

Can anyone point me in the right direction to get a list of earmarks in the stimulus bill. I found one for the omnibus...but not the stimulus.

My congressman sent me a letter stating why, after dissent from his constituency, he voted for it...the creep....he honestly said not one dime was spent on earmarks.

Stimulus Watch

603 brookly red  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:28:10pm

re: #590 wrenchwench

he, ho, let's go!

604 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:28:12pm

re: #570 NYCHardhat

No. Obama plans to call off Christmas.

No Christmas?

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:28:28pm

re: #587 DEZes

But I have a pineapple upside down cake. ;)

I freakin' love pineapple upside down cake...

606 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:28:46pm

re: #604 CyanSnowHawk

No Christmas?

thats effin scary.

607 kawfytawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:29:26pm

re: #602 Racer X

thank ya, thank ya very much ~ in my best Elvis voice

608 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:29:34pm

re: #592 Sharmuta

Running on a fiscally sound platform including the balanced budget amendment gave us control of both houses of Congress in 1994. I believe it would work again. First we take back Congress, then we take back our wallets in no uncertain terms- Washington must balance their own checkbook like the rest of us do.

And how do "we" take back Congress? Elections. Now we're back where you didn't want to go.

609 HelloDare  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:29:38pm

re: #600 NYCHardhat

yeah sorry, fake breasts are gauche.

Droit et gauche.

610 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:29:38pm

re: #605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I freakin' love pineapple upside down cake...

I had never had it before, sis made it for a party that got canceled.
I got half. me likes!

611 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:29:50pm

"All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creationism."

Could we please get supposedly sane writers like Steve Schafersman to drop this stupid meme?

If their agenda calls for using the power of the State to impose the teaching of religious belief in public schools, then I submit to you that such an agenda is fascist, not right-wing. Historically, fascism is a leftist movement, working for the aggrandizement of the State, and of the collective, and not for the rights of the individual.

We have been conditioned to see Fascism as a "right-wing" movement simply because it was so demonized by Stalin, who wanted to destroy a rival Socialist entity, meanwhile conveniently slandering those people who believe in freedom and individual rights.

Blame Josef Stalin, blame Walter Duranty.

Everyone here should buy, and read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. Use Charles' link to buy it from Amazon, and give our host a little kickback.

612 stevieray  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:30:49pm

re: #604 CyanSnowHawk

No Christmas?

Well, they arrested Santa... and his elf too!

613 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:31:01pm

"It is in the area of spending that the Republican Party's performance, in its seven years of power, has been most disappointing."

~Barry Goldwater

I believe it's time to force the issue because the problem of out of control spending has gone on long enough. We must MAKE THEM control spending, and elections are not enough.

614 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:31:38pm

re: #608 Russkilitlover

And how do "we" take back Congress? Elections. Now we're back where you didn't want to go.

My problem isn't elections. My problem is thinking elections control spending. They don't.

615 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:31:57pm

re: #612 stevieray

... and his elf too!

OMG, they got Hanover Fist.

616 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:31:59pm

re: #600 NYCHardhat

yeah sorry, fake breasts are gauche.

Enhanced ones are OK though, right?

617 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:32:34pm

re: #615 CyanSnowHawk

OMG, they got Hanover Fist.

Heavy Metal?

618 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:32:42pm

re: #592 Sharmuta

Running on a fiscally sound platform including the balanced budget amendment gave us control of both houses of Congress in 1994. I believe it would work again. First we take back Congress, then we take back our wallets in no uncertain terms- Washington must balance their own checkbook like the rest of us do.

I don't know. Sometimes I think that this country has turned the corner into the socialist/spending maze and it'll be a long time, if ever, that we'll see balanced budgets or free market capitalism re-emerge.

619 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:33:02pm

re: #598 Sharmuta

Really- please tell me why you're so opposed to my suggestion. Why do you feel a balanced budget amendment is wrong?

You got me all wrong, Sharm. I don't think I ever said I'm opposed to your suggestion. I certainly didn't say a balanced budget amendment is wrong. I'm only opposed to the negativity you've been sharing today, which is not like you (correct me if I'm wrong) and I don't think going for the amendment is the most practical way to get the result you seek.

620 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:33:03pm

re: #616 Racer X

Enhanced ones are OK though, right?

that depends on what the meaning of the word is is?////

621 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:33:44pm

re: #613 Sharmuta

I believe it's time to force the issue because the problem of out of control spending has gone on long enough. We must MAKE THEM control spending, and elections are not enough.

But WE (the electorate) want THEM to spend money on US!

/Don't we? Otherwise, why does the total debt always go up, regardless of which part controls congress or the whitehouse?

622 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:34:19pm

re: #612 stevieray

Well, they arrested Santa... and his elf too!

Fuck! Me!

623 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:34:25pm

re: #617 DEZes

Heavy Metal?

It's your one way ticket to midnight!

624 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:34:37pm

re: #618 Soona'

I don't know. Sometimes I think that this country has turned the corner into the socialist/spending maze and it'll be a long time, if ever, that we'll see balanced budgets or free market capitalism re-emerge.

There are socialists in the republican party. There is only one way to deal with this in my opinion- we make them control their spending with a Constitutional mechanism.

625 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:34:38pm

re: #603 brookly red

he, ho, let's go!

626 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:35:25pm

re: #609 HelloDare

Droit et gauche.

Droit for all of the elections.

627 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:35:31pm

Flowers for the lady Lizards!

Click anywhere. Click and drag to enhance the effect.

Enjoy!

628 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:35:58pm

re: #623 CyanSnowHawk

It's your one way ticket to midnight!

The beasts are ready to devour all the metal they can hold!

629 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:36:03pm

re: #626 NYCHardhat

Droit for all of the elections.

These are not the Droits you are looking for.

630 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:36:10pm

re: #619 wrenchwench

My negativity stems from being told I have to accept the status quo. I'm not here to accept the status quo. I'm here to tell the status quo to go fuck itself.

631 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:36:54pm

I'm afraid that Obama and his fellow travelers will consider this a "sign of progress".
Massive Paki attack

632 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:36:58pm

re: #629 CyanSnowHawk

These are not the Droits you are looking for.

Yeah. The left have weak and feeble minds.

633 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:37:22pm

re: #588 ploome hineni

:}

they don;t care

He cared. Grossed him out.

634 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:37:23pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

My negativity stems from being told I have to accept the status quo. I'm not here to accept the status quo. I'm here to tell the status quo to go fuck itself.

Whammo!

635 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:37:49pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

My negativity stems from being told I have to accept the status quo. I'm not here to accept the status quo. I'm here to tell the status quo to go fuck itself.

Who told you that you have to accept it? Not me.

636 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:38:08pm

And I did not develop from some homely little embryo....oh, wait.....never mind.

The Visible Embryo

Those early states are so unflattering......

637 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:38:20pm

re: #630 Sharmuta

My negativity stems from being told I have to accept the status quo. I'm not here to accept the status quo. I'm here to tell the status quo to go fuck itself.

Damn I love this kid! ;)

638 Russkilitlover  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:38:22pm

re: #627 Racer X

Flowers for the lady Lizards!

Click anywhere. Click and drag to enhance the effect.

Enjoy!

How lovely! Thank you!

639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:38:30pm

re: #612 stevieray

Well, they arrested Santa... and his elf too!

Did y'all see the Sham Wow Guy in those mug-shots? Holy Shit!

640 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:38:42pm

re: #633 rightymouse

He cared. Grossed him out.

Thats right. The real thing is beautiful.

641 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:39:11pm

re: #637 DEZes

Kid? Bwahhahahhahhha!

642 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:39:39pm
MARCH 27, 2009
A LOOK AT making gas from coal. But of course, there’s a downside: “It’s the very fact that coal-to-liquids could work that make them such a scary idea for people devoted to fighting climate change.”

Then they should demonstrate their sincerity by supporting nuclear power, so that we can have electric or hydrogen-powered cars without greenhouse emissions. They may not like those either, of course, but if we’re facing a greenhouse crisis everyone will have to sacrifice something. Right?

Meanwhile, progress in making biodiesel from algae.

Posted at by Glenn Reynolds at 1:35 pm

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

643 Gella  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:39:55pm

he was an amoeba

644 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:39:59pm

re: #636 DistantThunder

And I did not develop from some homely little embryo....oh, wait.....never mind.

The Visible Embryo

Those early states are so unflattering......

Click on anyone of the little pictures and it pulls up an explanation of the stage of development - very cool.

645 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:40:07pm

re: #636 DistantThunder

And I did not develop from some homely little embryo....oh, wait.....never mind.

The Visible Embryo

Those early states are so unflattering......

Does this umbilical cord make my tail look big?

646 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:40:29pm

re: #640 NYCHardhat

Thats right. The real thing is beautiful.

It must be spring, cause things are busting out.

647 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:40:49pm

re: #646 DEZes

It must be spring, cause things are busting out.

You gotta love women.

648 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:40:56pm

re: #635 wrenchwench

Who told you that you have to accept it? Not me.

You read the last thread. If I'm going to be told the solution is to continue to have faith in the electorate, then I will tell you we're fucked and I will come across as negative, because to me that solution is a negative.

649 crimeshark  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:41:02pm

Protesters and activists gathered nearby, fervently arguing their sides of the debate. "My grandfather was not a monkey!" one woman shouted at a crowd before the meeting began.

YUP. You're right. MY grandfather was a monkey.

YOUR grandfather was a horse's ass.

650 Steve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:41:22pm

I know that this is OT but then again maybe not:

On Saturday night at exactly 8:30, at least 538 cities in 75 countries worldwide, including the Philippines, will turn off the lights for one full hour in observance of Earth Hour, a global initiative that seeks to show everyone that it is possible to unite despite geographic distance, and take action against global warming.

Lights off, lights on.

I will be turning on all my lights for the hour. My kids suggested we get some spot lights for the outside of the house.

651 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:41:56pm

re: #647 NYCHardhat

You gotta love women.

I have tried to love too many. ;)

652 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:42:17pm

re: #651 DEZes

I have tried to love too many. ;)

damn restraining orders....

653 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:42:38pm

re: #648 Sharmuta

If you don't have faith in the electorate (which is YOU) then why bother having faith in anything?
Just chalk your entire life up to random chance and quit caring.

654 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:42:57pm

re: #624 Sharmuta

There are socialists in the republican party. There is only one way to deal with this in my opinion- we make them control their spending with a Constitutional mechanism.

But my question is still the same. How, Sharm. How do we do that. It seems that we elect seemingly conservative candidates to congress, but once they get within the Washington DC beltway, all bets are off.

655 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:43:26pm

re: #453 eon

Definitely The One. I suspect the Teleprompter of being a Twonky.

/If you get that reference, you are either a serious SciFan, or an even more serious Hans Conreid fan

cheers

eon

I remember that movie! It was really great. In a chilling sort of way.

656 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:43:33pm

re: #651 DEZes

I never had a problem. They usually just ran from me.
/////

657 Steve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:44:40pm

re: #639 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did y'all see the Sham Wow Guy in those mug-shots? Holy Shit!

you'll love what she did to his nuts:-)

658 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:45:03pm

re: #656 NYCHardhat

I never had a problem. They usually just ran from me.
/////

*Access not allowed*, not sure that was intentional, but its damned funny.

659 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:46:02pm

re: #658 DEZes

*Access not allowed*, not sure that was intentional, but its damned funny.

Me too. How does it know I'm not authorized to view the page?

660 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:46:02pm

re: #640 NYCHardhat

Thats right. The real thing is beautiful.

I don't get the fake boob bit at all. They're ugly.

661 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:46:13pm
662 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:04pm

re: #658 DEZes

*Access not allowed*, not sure that was intentional, but its damned funny.

No. This is what I really look like.

663 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:09pm

Global Warming Update (L) (50th in a series of GW Posts)


Seattle weather --

Last March: 5 record lows, 0 record highs

This March: 7 record lows, 0 record highs (so far)

I'm just saying.

664 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:20pm

re: #660 rightymouse

I don't get the fake boob bit at all. They're ugly.

Too small a data set to reach conclusion. Show more.

665 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:39pm
666 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:44pm

re: #650 Steve

I know that this is OT but then again maybe not:

On Saturday night at exactly 8:30, at least 538 cities in 75 countries worldwide, including the Philippines, will turn off the lights for one full hour in observance of Earth Hour, a global initiative that seeks to show everyone that it is possible to unite despite geographic distance, and take action against global warming.

Lights off, lights on.

I will be turning on all my lights for the hour. My kids suggested we get some spot lights for the outside of the house.

Did this start a few years back? Maybe it was last year. I'll be turning my lights on too.

667 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:47:49pm

re: #653 Lincolntf

I care deeply about this country. I proposed some real change, which some rejected in favor of the status quo, which has done nothing but disappoint. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in saving this country from socialism. I think a great way to get the electorate more aware of this issue to to propose this amendment.

I mean- for Pete's sake. I've proposed it here, and we're all talking about it and I think that's great. Imagine if it was on the nightly news and water cooler conversations around the country started talking about this. Maybe it would have a bigger impact than just altering spending. Maybe people would start looking at the real issue in Washington- the out of control spending. If you want to change the narrative, sometimes you need a big idea tossed into the mix.

668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:48:19pm

Anybody notice how many empty seats at the Oklahoma/Syracuse game?

Anybody watching the game?

669 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:48:38pm

I found a vestigal tail video - but it's too weird for words.

670 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:48:47pm

re: #664 CyanSnowHawk

Too small a data set to reach conclusion. Show more.

lol!

Ok - how about this one?

671 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:48:47pm

re: #654 Soona'

But my question is still the same. How, Sharm. How do we do that. It seems that we elect seemingly conservative candidates to congress, but once they get within the Washington DC beltway, all bets are off.

One is involvement, which I feel is important. The other is to take away their ability to fuck over the People by making them balance the budget.

672 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:48:53pm

re: #665 NYCHardhat

This is what I look like really.

Then on my command, unleash hell. ;)

673 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:49:28pm

re: #670 rightymouse

lol!

Ok - how about this one?

Don't know about the boobs, but that face has to be fake.

674 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:49:59pm

re: #611 Alberta Oil Peon

"All the flaws were added by politically unscrupulous SBOE members with an extreme right-wing religious agenda to support Creationism."

Could we please get supposedly sane writers like Steve Schafersman to drop this stupid meme?

If their agenda calls for using the power of the State to impose the teaching of religious belief in public schools, then I submit to you that such an agenda is fascist, not right-wing. Historically, fascism is a leftist movement, working for the aggrandizement of the State, and of the collective, and not for the rights of the individual.

We have been conditioned to see Fascism as a "right-wing" movement simply because it was so demonized by Stalin, who wanted to destroy a rival Socialist entity, meanwhile conveniently slandering those people who believe in freedom and individual rights.

Blame Josef Stalin, blame Walter Duranty.

Everyone here should buy, and read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. Use Charles' link to buy it from Amazon, and give our host a little kickback.

Well, you may have a point about the ideological ancestors of this kind of thinking, but the fact is that in the current day, the creationists are ALL in the Republican party, and they're all fundamentalist Christians. So I really can't agree that Schafersman is off base with that statement.

675 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody notice how many empty seats at the Oklahoma/Syracuse game?

Anybody watching the game?

Who's ahead?

676 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:50:59pm

re: #643 Gella

he was an amoeba

song w minimal video

I prefer to think of our common ancestors as blue-green algae, probably the amoeba's great-nth parent. Except maybe the religious amoeba, who thought differently.

677 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:51:21pm

Down-dingers so far:

CJW, goforbroke, LeonidasOfSparta, Minister of Chlorine, Presort

678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:51:28pm

16-9 ok, 9 minutes left in 1st half.

679 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:51:28pm

re: #668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Anybody notice how many empty seats at the Oklahoma/Syracuse game?

Anybody watching the game?

I'm pissed off Veggie..Indy looks half full.. I could be there in 20 minutes and get in for 10 bucks after the game starts.. I'm calling my buds...Weekend plans have just changed..

680 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:51:31pm

I bet a 100$ Charles puts up a Ry Cooder thread tonight....

681 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:51:42pm

Time to go home. Have a good one lizards.

682 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:52:03pm

re: #673 CyanSnowHawk

Don't know about the boobs, but that face has to be fake.

Ok - here's a real face with two different sets of ta-tas. Vic Beckham before and after.

683 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:52:11pm

re: #678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

16-9 ok, 9 minutes left in 1st half.

Are they playing football or basketball?

;-P

684 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:52:14pm

re: #673 CyanSnowHawk

Don't know about the boobs, but that face has to be fake.

T-Shirt

685 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:52:21pm

re: #679 HoosierHoops

Shoot, get there now! You can see the end of this game, and the entire next game!

686 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:52:50pm

re: #682 rightymouse

Ok - here's a real face with two different sets of ta-tas. Vic Beckham before and after.

Wow. Fake boobs turn you blond.

687 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:53:22pm

re: #679 HoosierHoops

I'm pissed off Veggie..Indy looks half full.. I could be there in 20 minutes and get in for 10 bucks after the game starts.. I'm calling my buds...Weekend plans have just changed..

Are they having the game in a football stadium? If so, I'm not surprised the game isn't sold out.

688 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:53:32pm

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:54:09pm

re: #687 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Are they having the game in a football stadium? If so, I'm not surprised the game isn't sold out.

yeah, but lots of seats near the court.

690 debutaunt  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:54:12pm

re: #660 rightymouse

I don't get the fake boob bit at all. They're ugly.

My husband calls them 'bolt-ons'.

691 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:54:16pm

re: #678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

16-9 ok, 9 minutes left in 1st half.

I still can't believe how low-scoring college basketball has become nowdays.

692 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:54:29pm

re: #677 Charles

CJW is the only nic that rings a bell. I don't remember seeing any of the others ever post a comment.

693 Querent  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:56:21pm

spontaneously generated boob thread... (do not puncture its equilibrium!)

694 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:56:30pm

WTF is is an amp? What amperage is coming out of my socket?

695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:56:47pm

re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I stand by what I said up there.

re: #692 Killgore Trout

696 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:56:47pm

re: #689 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

yeah, but lots of seats near the court.

Damn, I wish I was close enough to go. I noticed the game in Arizona too had a lot of open seat when Memphis and Missouri played last night.

697 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:56:59pm

Let me try putting this another way.

We can't trust our elected officials to control themselves when they're spending our money. Even republicans will disappoint us. By the time we get the chance to vote them out of office, the damage has been done. We need something more proactive to guarantee our fiscal interests. I suggest the balanced budget amendment, which will allow for necessary deficit spending in cases of crisis with a 3/5 vote by both houses. There is nothing else I can see that will control Congress otherwise. If anyone has another idea besides the status quo, I'd love to hear it.

698 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:17pm

re: #694 Killgore Trout

Entirely without a clue...

699 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:28pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

W=VA
Watts = Volts x Amps

To solve look on the device and see if you can find an Amp rating.

700 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:29pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

volts * amps = watts?

701 phoenixgirl  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:31pm

my grandpa wasn't a monkey either, my brother......well that's another story

702 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:39pm

re: #686 CyanSnowHawk

Wow. Fake boobs turn you blond.

and skeletal, I guess

703 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:40pm

Cumulus?

(boobs and clouds)

704 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:46pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

gotta know the amps.

705 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:57:53pm

re: #693 Querent

Funny. But I can match you tit for tat.

706 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:58:38pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

This will help.

707 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:15pm

re: #686 CyanSnowHawk

Wow. Fake boobs turn you blond.

Come to think of it, hubby's ex-girlfriend dyed her hair blonde too.

708 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:18pm

re: #687 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Are they having the game in a football stadium? If so, I'm not surprised the game isn't sold out.

yea..but when the finals were here a couple years ago the tiks were like a 1000 dollars..It was sold out..I never even checked this year cause you know I play 700 dollars for Colts season Tiks but not a thousand for one game...
That was my thinking anyway..Looks like a fun time this weekend with some friends..dinner..hang out till the game starts and buy a ticket from a scalper..Which is very legal here..In California it isn't...
Louisville is looking tough..Defense and speed! speed kills

709 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:19pm

re: #703 Racer X

Cumulus?

(boobs and clouds)

Dead link. :(

710 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:35pm

re: #680 albusteve

I bet a 100$ Charles puts up a Ry Cooder thread tonight....

Maybe Ry Cooder, and John Hiatt, and Nick Lowe (and of course Jim Keltner)?

711 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #690 debutaunt

My husband calls them 'bolt-ons'.

That's about the size of it. :)

712 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 4:59:58pm

re: #706 NYCHardhat

This will help.

Reductionist! Athiest! Your grandfather was an electron!

713 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:00:30pm

Just in -- did a Find on the thread for "deleted"
I see supper came early.
Is there any desert left?

714 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:00:52pm

re: #690 debutaunt

My husband calls them 'bolt-ons'.

I like calling it the "plastic grill"

715 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:00:58pm

re: #708 HoosierHoops

yea..but when the finals were here a couple years ago the tiks were like a 1000 dollars..It was sold out..I never even checked this year cause you know I play 700 dollars for Colts season Tiks but not a thousand for one game...
That was my thinking anyway..Looks like a fun time this weekend with some friends..dinner..hang out till the game starts and buy a ticket from a scalper..Which is very legal here..In California it isn't...
Louisville is looking tough..Defense and speed! speed kills

Yeah, I can see a lot of people going to the final. But when did the NCAA move the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight to the larger venues?

716 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:08pm

re: #699 JCM

W=VA
Watts = Volts x Amps

To solve look on the device and see if you can find an Amp rating.

W=VA is Ohms Law rewritten, V=IR.

717 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:10pm

re: #699 JCM

It says something about 1200 mA. Is that amps?

718 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:20pm

whoops!...I thought the thread was dead...so like the Japanese say when one states the obvious..."no Ry"

719 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:28pm

re: #712 itellu3times

So I guess you like it?

720 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:40pm

re: #713 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just in -- did a Find on the thread for "deleted"
I see supper came early.
Is there any desert left?


It didnt get the stick, but sure got the point.

721 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #714 NYCHardhat

I like calling it the "plastic grill"

How about rubber baby buggy bumpers?

722 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:01:46pm

re: #706 NYCHardhat

I'm struggling with the amps question.

723 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:02:28pm

re: #719 NYCHardhat

So I guess you like it?

Yes.

724 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:02:39pm

re: #721 itellu3times

How about rubber baby buggy bumpers?

Thats good. I'm going to have to practice.

725 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:02:44pm

E=RI (Volts = Ohms x Amps) ohm's law

and

P = EI (Power = volts x amps)

For direct current.....

for alternating current, you have to throw in some other stuff (like power factor and such...)

726 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:02:46pm

re: #710 wrenchwench

Maybe Ry Cooder, and John Hiatt, and Nick Lowe (and of course Jim Keltner)?


[Video]

whoohoo!...some kick butt stuff there!

727 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:02:54pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

It says something about 1200 mA. Is that amps?

1200 milliAmps = 1.2 amps.

What did I win?

728 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:03:09pm

mAmps is milliAmps (or Amps/1000)

729 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:03:11pm

re: #720 DEZes

It didnt get the stick, but sure got the point.

If you're talking about lesbianrainforest, its data says it's blocked.

730 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:03:58pm

re: #671 Sharmuta

One is involvement, which I feel is important. The other is to take away their ability to fuck over the People by making them balance the budget.

Will do some reading this weekend re: what John Adams, Jefferson thought about this. If I'm not mistaken, John Adams gave John Q grief over using taxpayer money for things like infrastructure?

731 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:04:02pm

re: #726 albusteve

whoohoo!...some kick butt stuff there!

No ry.

732 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:04:07pm

do I have that right? 1200 mA = 1.2 amps

733 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:04:34pm

re: #717 Killgore Trout

It says something about 1200 mA. Is that amps?

Yep. 1.2 Amps.

So

V=WA

24V=W x 1.2A

24V / 1.2A = W

20 Watts, a small light bulb. Run it for 50 hours will be 1 kilowatt hour. Check you bill to see how much that will cost.

734 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:04:44pm

re: #691 Soona'

I still can't believe how low-scoring college basketball has become nowdays.

Some games are very high scoring..But we have tough complex defenses played by super athletes that are fast..very fast...
A weakness in the college play I think is the lack of great point guards...The Chris Pauls of the world just aren't there.. They are diamonds...
but you can't hardly buy a great point guard..

735 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:04:56pm

re: #727 itellu3times

A cargo plane will air drop a crate for you at midnight. If the feds ask you don't know me.

736 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:05:06pm

re: #732 Windhorse

do I have that right? 1200 mA = 1.2 amps

I hope Killgore can get that cold fusion thing working soon, with all the info we're giving him.

737 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:05:07pm

re: #709 DEZes

Dead link. :(


re: #703 Racer X

Cumulus?

(boobs and clouds)

Right mouse click -> Copy Link Address -> Paste into the address bar of a new tab, there you go.

738 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:05:29pm

re: #730 rightymouse

Will do some reading this weekend re: what John Adams, Jefferson thought about this. If I'm not mistaken, John Adams gave John Q grief over using taxpayer money for things like infrastructure?

Well- I feel a balanced budget amendment would certainly put the focus on what our spending priorities should be.

739 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:05:47pm

re: #729 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If you're talking about lesbianrainforest, its data says it's blocked.

Oh then it did get the stick, thanks.
Charles allowed it to play just a bit then.

740 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:08pm

re: #735 Killgore Trout

A cargo plane will air drop a crate for you at midnight. If the feds ask you don't know me.

Very timely, thanx!

741 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:15pm

re: #733 JCM

are you sure about that? V=WA

742 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:18pm

My mother, yes my mother went through a mid-life crisis and got implants - and then she had to have them removed and her chest muscles recontructed after one of the ruptured. It was a nightmare for her.

743 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:20pm

re: #733 JCM

Yeah, that's not too bad.

744 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:27pm

re: #731 wrenchwench

No ry.

Little Village was such a fucking KILLER band...they always said they would cut another record....I'm still waiting

745 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:06:31pm

re: #722 Killgore Trout

I'm struggling with the amps question.

24 volts X 1.2 Amps. = 28.80 watts

746 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:07:12pm

re: #745 NYCHardhat

i agree.

747 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:07:22pm

re: #737 callahan23

Right mouse click -> Copy Link Address -> Paste into the address bar of a new tab, there you go.

I didn't post the cumulus link and it is indeed a dead one.

748 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:07:25pm

re: #737 callahan23

Thank you.

749 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:07:45pm

re: #674 Charles

Well, you may have a point about the ideological ancestors of this kind of thinking, but the fact is that in the current day, the creationists are ALL in the Republican party, and they're all fundamentalist Christians. So I really can't agree that Schafersman is off base with that statement.

Well, I'd suggest that the impulse to use organs of the State to advance the interest of their collective (i.e. Biblical literalists) is, at it's heart, a Fascist impulse, even if the promoters themselves don't recognize that. It's time that the rational people within the GOP wake up and see this movement for what it is.

IMHO, the whole notion that one's political position can be adequately defined by assigning it a point in one-dimensional space is very limiting and out of date, but proves useful to demagogues of any stripe. There are some 2-dimensional representation schemes for political analysis out there, and we should work to give them more currency.

So, instead of calling Creationists "right-wing loonies", could we agree to call them "fascists posing as right-wing Republicans?"

What I want to get away from is the idea, promoted by leftists, that the rational Right somehow "owns" these clowns.

750 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:07:56pm

re: #745 NYCHardhat

24 volts X 1.2 Amps. = 28.80 watts

Watt?

Of course that may be max power capacity and not average usage.

751 Wishing  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:04pm

OT Did you watch the funerals of the Oakland PD who were killed? Very moving, though I missed the last part. (working tonight, had to get some sleep)

752 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:06pm

re: #745 NYCHardhat

24 volts X 1.2 Amps. = 28.80 watts

I think it's volts divided by amps......

753 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:21pm

I can get you a good deal on a replica Rolex too......

754 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:33pm

re: #747 rightymouse

I didn't post the cumulus link and it is indeed a dead one.

I tried as he said and it worked that way.

755 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:34pm

re: #667 Sharmuta

Maybe. But many people subscribe to mountain climbing magazines, put carabiners on their key chains, and endlessly talk about the magnificence of the sport. Then they actually see a mountain and say "Whooaaa, that's really steep, let's just find another way up".
A balanced budget amendment (we have one here in NC, and it's routinely ignored) is an ineffective shortcut to the ultimate goal of rational government.

756 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:08:51pm

p = (e) x (i)

757 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:06pm

I'm good with light switches...anyone need a hand my nic is blue...

758 Racer X  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:37pm
759 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:41pm

pie are round.

760 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:41pm

re: #751 Wishing

OT Did you watch the funerals of the Oakland PD who were killed? Very moving, though I missed the last part. (working tonight, had to get some sleep)

I heard a bastard last night that was praising the killer. Don't want to say any more about what I think of him........

761 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:53pm

re: #744 albusteve

Little Village was such a fucking KILLER band...they always said they would cut another record....I'm still waiting

I didn't know they said they would. Now I'm waiting too.

762 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:09:53pm

re: #750 itellu3times

Watt?

Of course that may be max power capacity and not average usage.

Isn't that what he asked? How much wattage its sucking up?

763 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:04pm

re: #132 Sharmuta

And hey- these people that don't understand evolution- they vote! Should I really have faith in these people?

No, you can have a little faith in me though...

764 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:21pm

re: #756 Windhorse

E+I(e-I)/o=old Macdonald!

765 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:28pm

re: #749 Alberta Oil Peon

What I want to get away from is the idea, promoted by leftists, that the rational Right somehow "owns" these clowns.

Part of the solution is people on the right standing up and saying we don't accept these people, and that's exactly what Charles has been doing. His thanks for this is smear jobs by those who would accept these people either because they agree with the creationists or haven't figured out what a poison it is to do so.

766 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:42pm

re: #752 LGoPs

I think it's volts divided by amps......

Converting Volts to Watts

The conversion of Volts to Watts is governed by the equation Watts = Amps x Volts

Right?

767 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:44pm

re: #741 Windhorse

are you sure about that? V=WA


Ohms Law V=IR.

768 Sheepdogess  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:10:49pm

Liberal (cynical)

One who tolerates all beliefs and opinions except those with which he disagrees; a benevolent soul who advocates progressive measures for the sake of the people with whom he would never associate.

769 Wishing  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:11:04pm

re: #760 LGoPs

I heard a bastard last night that was praising the killer. Don't want to say any more about what I think of him........

Apparently there is a whole group in Oakland who are calling the guy a hero, for petes sake.
Talk about stupid!

770 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:11:12pm

re: #715 Mr. In get Mr. Out

Yeah, I can see a lot of people going to the final. But when did the NCAA move the Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight to the larger venues?

The NCAA loves the spotlight...The finals when they were here were played in the RCA Dome...
Last summer I was at a party and I was talking sports with this young dude and he told me his mother was some editor for the Official NCAA mag..
I said whatever..And he goes really..give me your address and I'll put you on the mailing list.. I did and I get the most awesome slick mag every couple of months for free...It covers all NCAA sports..It just totally rocks...
You just never know who you will meet

771 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:11:14pm

re: #762 NYCHardhat

Isn't that what he asked? How much wattage its sucking up?

Well sure, but my car's speedometer maxes out at 140, even standing still.

Killgore, are you sure you turned it on?

/

772 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:11:22pm

re: #751 Wishing

OT Did you watch the funerals of the Oakland PD who were killed? Very moving, though I missed the last part. (working tonight, had to get some sleep)

The asshole that shot them is being worshipped adoringly by some other worthless assholes.

773 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:11:37pm

I'm going to bed to nurse my cold. Mr DT has been gone for 10 days in sunny Santa Monica while I languish in dreary South Jersey. 10 days Down, and 10 more to go.....

774 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:12:01pm

re: #767 JCM

Ohms Law V=IR.

Stimulus bill:

V = IR/700000000000

775 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:12:15pm

re: #766 NYCHardhat

Converting Volts to Watts

The conversion of Volts to Watts is governed by the equation Watts = Amps x Volts

Right?

Ohms Law V=IR :: V=AW
Volts = Current * Resistance.

776 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:12:26pm

re: #772 Soona'

The asshole that shot them is being worshipped adoringly by some other worthless assholes.

Sick twisted shits.

777 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:13:02pm

re: #773 DistantThunder

Mentioning "nurse" on a boob thread brings up entirely different visuals.

778 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:13:07pm

re: #757 albusteve

I'm good with light switches...anyone need a hand my nic is blue...

IIRC, you're a builder. It must be YOUR people who installed my apartment's master bedroom light switch about 8'' further from the door frame than usual. I've been living here 12 years and I STILL occasionally miss that bastard!

/you were building apartments in Dallas 30 years ago, weren't you?!?!?

779 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:13:18pm

re: #774 itellu3times

Stimulus bill:

V = IR/700000000000

Stimulus is creationist in nature.

Creating something out nothing requires a miracle.

780 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:13:33pm

re: #767 JCM

I agree, but you had said that V=WA...... and not meaning to be argumentative, but power = volts x amps

781 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:14:30pm

Bill Clinton is on "Family Guy" right now smoking a doobie with Peter Griffin. Good stuff.

782 Soona'  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:14:32pm

Gettin' out of here before the blizzard starts (damn, that global warming).
See ya'z.

783 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:14:43pm

re: #778 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IIRC, you're a builder. It must be YOUR people who installed my apartment's master bedroom light switch about 8'' further from the door frame than usual. I've been living here 12 years and I STILL occasionally miss that bastard!

/you were building apartments in Dallas 30 years ago, weren't you?!?!?

I only go to Dallas for Cowboy games and rock and roll gigs...I'm innocent

784 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:14:44pm

(I had assumed that W= power)

785 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:14:57pm

re: #766 NYCHardhat

Converting Volts to Watts

The conversion of Volts to Watts is governed by the equation Watts = Amps x Volts

Right?


V=WA

24V=W x 1.2A

24V / 1.2A = W

20 Watts, a small light bulb. Run it for 50 hours will be 1 kilowatt hour. Check you bill to see how much that will cost.

I was using JCM's formula above where you would divide volts by the amps. I'
m not an electician so I'm not the right source. Sorry for butting in - just wanted to point out the disconnect.

786 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:15:20pm

I'm thinking I don't want to be awake anymore.

Probably won't be able to get to sleep and will be back in a bit, but going to try.

G'night Folks! (maybe)

787 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:15:50pm

re: #772 Soona'

The asshole that shot them is being worshipped adoringly by some other worthless assholes.

Unbelievably, evil stupidity with a total lack of moral values. That's what these 'sociologist'-apologists are.
grrrr!

788 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:15:53pm

re: #779 JCM

Stimulus is creationist in nature.

Creating something out nothing requires a miracle.

*shrugs*
Dilbert's pointy-haired boss did it all the time.

789 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:15:56pm

re: #754 DEZes

I tried as he said and it worked that way.

Annnnnnnnd, I found a brunette with fake ones too. So much for the blonde theory.

790 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:16:06pm

re: #775 JCM

Ohms Law V=IR :: V=AW
Volts = Current * Resistance.

So. 20 watts. No wonder I'm in EH&S.

791 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:16:28pm

re: #769 Wishing

Apparently there is a whole group in Oakland who are calling the guy a hero, for petes sake.
Talk about stupid!

They should all go on a "No response list" to be kept at the 911 operators desk.

792 Haverwilde  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:16:42pm

re: #758 Racer X

I like your Cumulus boobs!

793 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:17:00pm

re: #783 albusteve

I only go to Dallas for Cowboy games and rock and roll gigs...I'm innocent

*grin*
And I'm CERTAIN you watch the players on the field.

794 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:17:14pm

re: #772 Soona'

The asshole that shot them is being worshipped adoringly by some other worthless assholes.

Disgusting. :(

795 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:17:24pm

re: #790 NYCHardhat

So. 20 watts. No wonder I'm in EH&S.

LOL! I worry about nA, nanoamps. An amp is a whole lot of current in my world.

796 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:17:32pm

re: #761 wrenchwench

I didn't know they said they would. Now I'm waiting too.

they are all very good amigos...but there is always conflict with time....two years ago I saw Hiatt and he said they will always try to get it going again...they dig each other....it's a 'Big Love'

797 DistantThunder  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:17:46pm

One MOre thing

There is a God and I have PROOF

Enjoy!

798 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:18:31pm

re: #795 JCM

LOL! I worry about nA, nanoamps. An amp is a whole lot of current in my world.

I work around HRSG's and HP boilers and turbines. 500+ megawatts. Scary stuff.

799 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:18:54pm

re: #795 JCM

Thanks for al the answers. I just wanted a ballpark estimate so I xould compare it to a light bulb.

800 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:19:33pm

re: #793 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
And I'm CERTAIN you watch the players on the field.

heh....all three of my wives put any cheerleader to shame....SHAME!

801 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:19:51pm

While I never met the man, I have it on good authority my grandpa was not a monkey.

Now, grandma on the other hand...

802 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:19:55pm

re: #795 JCM

LOL! I worry about nA, nanoamps. An amp is a whole lot of current in my world.

Do you guys put guard rings around low-level analog inputs on your test boards?

803 hazzyday  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:20:05pm

I think ID will eventually be a Pyrrhic_victory Some enterprising teacher when faced with the ID question in class will bring a bible or two. Then will use them as focus of reason and show the students how reason functions in science and why the stories in the bible are myths. That's not what I believe but that is what will happen. That's why you can legally consider the Discovery Institute and it's minions and board of education members to be minions of Satan and in accord with the Bible. They have no real love of the Bible, just an urgent need to control other people except themselves. They are people that live in fear. They are not leading Christian lives.

804 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:20:20pm

re: #789 rightymouse

Annnnnnnnd, I found a brunette with fake ones too. So much for the blonde theory.

WTF, lol.

805 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:20:28pm

re: #765 Sharmuta

Part of the solution is people on the right standing up and saying we don't accept these people, and that's exactly what Charles has been doing. His thanks for this is smear jobs by those who would accept these people either because they agree with the creationists or haven't figured out what a poison it is to do so.


I don't care if they vote Republican or not, what I don't want is for them to have influence over policy using the Republican Party as their bully pulpit.

806 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:20:58pm

re: #769 Wishing

Apparently there is a whole group in Oakland who are calling the guy a hero, for petes sake.
Talk about stupid!

I also heard on a report last night that there is DNA evidence linking the perp to a rape of a 12 year old. Some hero. I don't know which is worse - the dead fuck, or the fucks praising him.
There is a bad sickness in the Bay area.

807 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:21:08pm

groovin with Little Village...."I need a 50' woman to wrap these arms around"...heh...get some

808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:21:20pm

re: #789 rightymouse

Must've been cold in there.

809 Windhorse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:21:53pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

JCM gave you a ballpark answer. NYC Hardhat gave you the right answer

:)

810 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:22:26pm

re: #808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Must've been cold in there.

Must have been before Obama turned up the thermostat.

811 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #806 LGoPs

I also heard on a report last night that there is DNA evidence linking the perp to a rape of a 12 year old. Some hero. I don't know which is worse - the dead fuck, or the fucks praising him.
There is a bad sickness in the Bay area.

To the rape of a 12-year-old girl who was dragged off the street at gunpoint. (according to sfgate.com)

812 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:23:08pm

re: #804 DEZes

WTF, lol.

lol!

813 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:23:10pm

re: #810 DEZes

Must have been before Obama turned up the thermostat.

He shoots he scores!

814 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:23:37pm

re: #813 NYCHardhat

He shoots he scores!

Nuttin but net. ;)

815 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:23:45pm

1776 karma. what a year.

816 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:00pm

Descent from a monkey/ape - Bishop Wilberforce was one of the first to speak in such terms to a large semipublic audience. In this portrayal, Wilberforce's mocking summary of Darwin's ideas can be seen (now) as astoundingly prescient and accurate. Much of the genetic science evidence for this has become available only after this BBC docudrama was aired in 1978.

The Voyage of Charles Darwin - Final Episode (Part 4 of 6)

The Voyage of Charles Darwin - Final Episode (Part 5 of 6)

The Voyage of Charles Darwin (Complete Series)

817 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:04pm

re: #755 Lincolntf

Maybe. But many people subscribe to mountain climbing magazines, put carabiners on their key chains, and endlessly talk about the magnificence of the sport. Then they actually see a mountain and say "Whooaaa, that's really steep, let's just find another way up".
A balanced budget amendment (we have one here in NC, and it's routinely ignored) is an ineffective shortcut to the ultimate goal of rational government.

We no longer have elected officials serving in the spirit of disinterestedness, and I doubt we ever will again. If we should, by some miracle, ever get back to that principle of governance, it will be after a very, very long time. But it is my opinion we could bring some of that back by forcing the issue with this proposal. It's in the public's best interest that Congress control its spending. If they won't do this freely and because it's the right thing to do, then I feel it's incumbent upon us to make them. We do this by bringing the issue to the forefront, getting politicians who support it into office and see it through instead of dropping it at the first sign of resistance from the other side of the aisle.

Would I prefer real statesmanship to return to politics? Yes, but I think that's more of a fantasy than my proposal. It's certainly an uphill battle, one I'm not shying away from either, as I support real education to help future generations keep this republic. But if we're going to stop the socialist encroachment, then I'm not seeing many other options. Waiting for statesmanship to return will be too late. The republic will already be gone.

818 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:15pm

re: #799 Killgore Trout

Thanks for al the answers. I just wanted a ballpark estimate so I xould compare it to a light bulb.

Your welcome. re: #802 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Do you guys put guard rings around low-level analog inputs on your test boards?

We ground flood the entire boards. The new testers we have digital ground, analog ground, signal ground, signal grounds for groups of signals. grounds for each power supply channel up to 16, chassis grounds.

Analog signal inputs will be shielded with analog ground.

819 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:20pm

re: #815 NYCHardhat

1776 karma. what a year.

Im workin on ya there feller. ;)

820 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:36pm

re: #694 Killgore Trout

WTF is is an amp? What amperage is coming out of my socket?

About 15 Amps, if it's a typical residential branch circuit. That's the usual breaker size for such an application.

Ohm's Law: E=IR, where E is voltage, I is current (in Amps or fractions thereof), and R is resistance, measured in (surprise) Ohms.

So if you have 120 volts at your outlet, and plug in a 240 Ohm load, you can find the current drawn by transposing (standard algebra) Ohm's Law to solve for I. I=E/R, in this case 120/240=0.5 Amp.

Power, measured in Watts is determined by the following: P=EI. Staying with our example, P=120X0.5=60 watts. Typical light bulb, eh?

Note: Power is the rate at which a device consumes (or generates) energy. Energy is power integrated over time. Your electric meter essentially is a calculator that does integration.

If you have a 24 volt adaptor, and the load on the output of that adaptor is, say, 1.5 amps, then the power being delivered by that adaptor would be 36 Watts. The adaptor itself would draw, nominally, 36 Watts from the AC outlet. That would work out to a little over 0.25 Amp. In practice, it would be slightly more, as AC adaptors are not 100% efficient, and waste a little energy as heat. Most "wall warts" I've seen get noticeably warm in operation, but rarely hot.

821 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:38pm

expletive ... just received an email telling me to vote yes on the California budget ballot propositions, clicked to their site and the writeups tell you nothing - which tells you everything.

[Link: www.cabudgetreformnow.com...]

Clicked up to the actual state site, and the ballot summaries still tell you almost nothing, but reading carefully (and going to the lengthy full text as necessary) - they are all frauds.

[Link: www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov...]

I amend my earlier statement from yesterday, I will be out voting early and often on all of these, against.

822 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:24:57pm

re: #815 NYCHardhat

1776 karma. what a year.

Want me to down-ding you, so you can hit 1776 again?!

823 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:25:01pm

re: #819 DEZes

Im workin on ya there feller. ;)

You got a better average there Tony Gwynn.

824 JCM  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:25:11pm

Later gotta run......

825 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:25:17pm

re: #822 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Want me to down-ding you, so you can hit 1776 again?!

shit yeah

826 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:25:52pm

re: #818 JCM

We ground flood the entire boards. The new testers we have digital ground, analog ground, signal ground, signal grounds for groups of signals. grounds for each power supply channel up to 16, chassis grounds.

Analog signal inputs will be shielded with analog ground.

Heh. I love the way you guys do it.

827 LGoPs  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:26:34pm

Gotta run. Good night my friends.

828 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:27:01pm

re: #825 NYCHardhat

shit yeah

LOL!

829 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:27:10pm

re: #827 LGoPs

Gotta run. Good night my friends.

G'night!

830 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:27:12pm

re: #817 Sharmuta

well said...some serious juju there

831 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:27:16pm

re: #823 NYCHardhat

You got a better average there Tony Gwynn.

My posts out numbered my dings a few days ago, weird.
I guess im no spacejesus.

832 rightymouse  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:27:49pm

Time for me to toddle off too.

Sharm - keep up the good fight, toots! :)

833 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:28:09pm

re: #831 DEZes

My posts out numbered my dings a few days ago, weird.
I guess im no spacejesus.

No. Not at all. You hit for the average unlike the free-swinger I am.

834 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:29:00pm

re: #831 DEZes

My posts out numbered my dings a few days ago, weird.
I guess im no spacejesus.

Just looked, after seeing the comment string.
That's a damned fine ratio you've got there!

835 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:29:01pm

re: #817 Sharmuta

I know your motives are in line with mine, but trying to legislate legislators into doing their jobs has had a 100% failure rate in my experience. They all magically re-discover the Constitution when someone tries.
The best way to deal with that is to educate the electorate, not to try restrain their representatives.

836 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:29:28pm

re: #834 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just looked, after seeing the comment string.
That's a damned fine ratio you've got there!

I know. Its inhuman./

837 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:29:35pm

re: #806 LGoPs

He's bad. but the people praising him are dangerous. That's why they are worse overall.

838 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:30:56pm

re: #694 Killgore Trout

WTF is is an amp? What amperage is coming out of my socket?

Ampere is basically a count of electrons, voltage is something like their "speed".

Couple of amps at 120 volts is enough to fry you, if you're fully exposed and grounded - IOW, an amp is a fair amount of current,
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
6x10^18 electrons/second.

Same amps or even more amps at low voltage, probably won't go through you, so lower voltage is encouraged for higher-amp stuff, safety-wise.

But this all assumes that these little tiny invisible particles called electrons really exist, and I don't see them mentioned in the Bible, so draw your own conclusions.

839 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:31:06pm

re: #765 Sharmuta

Part of the solution is people on the right standing up and saying we don't accept these people, and that's exactly what Charles has been doing. His thanks for this is smear jobs by those who would accept these people either because they agree with the creationists or haven't figured out what a poison it is to do so.

Agree 100%.

I'm just saying that we should not accept, blindly, the notion that these Creationists are really Right. They may claim to be, and they may be congruent with the Right on other issues, but the impulse to use the organs of the State to advance their religious agenda is fundamentally Fascist, and we should call them on it.

We do need to marginalize these people, because they are useful to the Left.

840 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:31:43pm

re: #836 NYCHardhat

I know. Its inhuman./

Well, heck, just look at that AVATAR!
*whisper whisper whisper*
*stare*
*whisper whisper*

:D

841 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:32:23pm

re: #833 NYCHardhat

No. Not at all. You hit for the average unlike the free-swinger I am.

I'm mostly bland, sometimes a bastard, sometimes I hit one outta the park.
But I mostly read others thoughts as posted and digest them.
there are some very intelligent folks hanging around here, thats what keeps me around.

842 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:32:48pm

re: #840 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, heck, just look at that AVATAR!
*whisper whisper whisper*
*stare*
*whisper whisper*

:D

Just. dont. make. it. mad.


//////

843 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:33:24pm

re: #835 Lincolntf

I know your motives are in line with mine, but trying to legislate legislators into doing their jobs has had a 100% failure rate in my experience. They all magically re-discover the Constitution when someone tries.
The best way to deal with that is to educate the electorate, not to try restrain their representatives.

And this will be a socialist hell hole before the electorate is back to being informed.

844 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:33:59pm

re: #841 DEZes

I'm mostly bland, sometimes a bastard, sometimes I hit one outta the park.
But I mostly read others thoughts as posted and digest them.
there are some very intelligent folks hanging around here, thats what keeps me around.

Well. You hit one further than McGwire on the juice with that one. 9.3 trillion updings. (I will get it to you in roughly 10 years.)

845 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:34:10pm

re: #839 Alberta Oil Peon

Agree 100%.

I'm just saying that we should not accept, blindly, the notion that these Creationists are really Right. They may claim to be, and they may be congruent with the Right on other issues, but the impulse to use the organs of the State to advance their religious agenda is fundamentally Fascist, and we should call them on it.

We do need to marginalize these people, because they are useful to the Left.

I think they're socialists, and I've been trying to make that distinction in my comments lately to reflect that.

846 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:34:13pm

I'm going out singing this one:

847 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:34:39pm

re: #842 NYCHardhat

Just. dont. make. it. mad.

//////

/slowly ... softly ... slipping off into night ... *holding breath*

:D

848 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:35:22pm

re: #834 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just looked, after seeing the comment string.
That's a damned fine ratio you've got there!

Thanks.

849 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:35:27pm

Help me, my Lizard friends...

I'm shopping on Barnes & Noble--just ordered 2 copies of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny"--and I have enough left on my gift card for at least one more book.

I love History and fellow-Lizard "Bobblehead" recommended a great book for me about a year ago, "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

Anyone willing to suggest some reading material for me?

850 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:35:42pm

re: #843 Sharmuta

Again, NC has a balanced budget amendment. No balanced budget, though.
How many millions of (Republican) dollars and thousands of (Republican) man-hours were wasted on that useless initiative?
Let's not repeat it on a national scale.

851 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:36:14pm

i just can't imagine the mind set of these losers celebrating a rapist murderer.
do they just not make the connection that this animal could rape or murder a member of their family or a friend?
he wouldn't show them any respect.
and yet they call him a hero.

they remind me of the moslems who had the party for that lebanese pos
who bashed the little 4 yr. old girl's head in w/ a rifle butt.
it's the same mind set.
blind hate and stupidity.

852 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:36:22pm

re: #835 Lincolntf

Additionally- this would be a Constitutional Amendment. This will get a lot of debate as it needs to clear Congress and then 3/4 of the states. It is in a process like this that might really start to get the electorate thinking.

853 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:36:24pm

re: #849 SlartyBartfast

Help me, my Lizard friends...

I'm shopping on Barnes & Noble--just ordered 2 copies of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny"--and I have enough left on my gift card for at least one more book.

I love History and fellow-Lizard "Bobblehead" recommended a great book for me about a year ago, "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

Anyone willing to suggest some reading material for me?

Genre you prefer?

854 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:36:47pm

re: #841 DEZes

I'm mostly bland, sometimes a bastard, sometimes I hit one outta the park.
But I mostly read others thoughts as posted and digest them.
There are some very intelligent folks hanging around here, thats what keeps me around.

That's also the reason for me. Plus getting educated, accumulating info and having discovered the most balanced non-shrieking truly conservative blog.

855 Ateam  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:04pm

For all I know, even so I didn't know personally my grandfather (both of them - to be accurate), pictures shown reassembled to Human spices. On d other hand/front leg - my grand-grandmother looking suspicious monkey-like with her heavy beard.

856 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:07pm

This will be my mindset for the next couple of years.

857 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:19pm

re: #820 Alberta Oil Peon

AC adaptors are not 100% efficient, and waste a little energy as heat.


I was wondering about that.The adapter does generate some heat.

858 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:25pm

re: #836 NYCHardhat

I know. Its inhuman./

Im not human?
* whimpers.*

859 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:40pm

re: #850 Lincolntf

Why are you folks in North Carolina suffering the blatant illegality of your legislature's actions?

860 itellu3times  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:37:55pm

re: #843 Sharmuta

And this will be a socialist hell hole before the electorate is back to being informed.

Cynically, I'm not sure the electorate has ever been informed, nor is ever going to be informed.

But in olden days (say, most of the past 222 years or so), the electorate at least had good instincts, not to mention better choices. Remember the alternative the Republicans put up to Obama, and the alternatives the Republicans put up in Congressional and Senate seats all over the country (eg, basically -none- in most of California).

So, I might consider it a mistake to think this is about informing the electorate, as such.

861 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:38:15pm

re: #849 SlartyBartfast

Conscience of a Conservative by Barry Goldwater.

862 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:38:22pm

re: #858 DEZes

Im not human?
* whimpers.*

No. You're a superhero.

863 yesandno  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:39:19pm

REPARATIONS..............

Just introduced in the House.

ht

tp[Link: thomas.loc.gov...]

The commission will be appointed by Obama, Pelosi, and Biden. No Repbulicans.
Guess the results will come out before the 2010 elections.

We have got to do something about this right now.

The election wasn't about race.....sure.

864 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:39:26pm

re: #849 SlartyBartfast

The only history book I can recommend is Guns, Germs and Steel. I'm not a real history buff.

865 Aviator  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:39:44pm

re: #849 SlartyBartfast

Help me, my Lizard friends...

I'm shopping on Barnes & Noble--just ordered 2 copies of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny"--and I have enough left on my gift card for at least one more book.

I love History and fellow-Lizard "Bobblehead" recommended a great book for me about a year ago, "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

Anyone willing to suggest some reading material for me?

New Deal or Raw Deal - Burton Folsom

866 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:39:56pm

re: #853 Mithrax

History. Dad was a ww2 vet, so I have a soft place in my heart for that period. On the other hand, I recently read David Howarth's, "1066 - The Year of the Conquest" and it was great.

867 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:40:05pm

re: #839 Alberta Oil Peon

Agree 100%.

I'm just saying that we should not accept, blindly, the notion that these Creationists are really Right. They may claim to be, and they may be congruent with the Right on other issues, but the impulse to use the organs of the State to advance their religious agenda is fundamentally Fascist, and we should call them on it.

We do need to marginalize these people, because they are useful to the Left.

how do you marginalize such a large block of voters?....how is it possible to educate the electorate when the MSM is traitorous?....not gonna happen

868 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:40:15pm

re: #863 yesandno

REPARATIONS..............

Just introduced in the House.

ht

The commission will be appointed by Obama, Pelosi, and Biden. No Repbulicans.
Guess the results will come out before the 2010 elections.

We have got to do something about this right now.

The election wasn't about race.....sure.

Sure it was.
It will never pass.

869 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:40:52pm

re: #865 Aviator

New Deal or Raw Deal - Burton Folsom

Hey you! Hope you are doing well tonight...
what's new?

870 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:41:13pm

re: #840 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, heck, just look at that AVATAR!
*whisper whisper whisper*
*stare*
*whisper whisper*

:D

That lil guy is poping the cap on a cold one, only here for the beer.re: #849 SlartyBartfast

Liberal fascism.

871 rightwinger3  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:41:46pm

re: #835 Lincolntf

I know your motives are in line with mine, but trying to legislate legislators into doing their jobs has had a 100% failure rate in my experience. They all magically re-discover the Constitution when someone tries.
The best way to deal with that is to educate the electorate, not to try restrain their representatives.

Maybe they should take a look at the Declaration instead:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

872 Aviator  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:42:10pm

re: #869 HoosierHoops

Hey you! Hope you are doing well tonight...
what's new?

Doing Fine. SSDT. Yourself?

873 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:43:04pm

does anyone here seriously think McCain would strive to balance the budget?...or any viable candidate?

874 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:43:09pm

re: #871 rightwinger3

You're not advocating revolution, are you?

875 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:43:24pm

re: #862 NYCHardhat

No. You're a superhero.

My first birthday

876 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:43:45pm

re: #849 SlartyBartfast

Help me, my Lizard friends...

I'm shopping on Barnes & Noble--just ordered 2 copies of Mark Levin's "Liberty and Tyranny"--and I have enough left on my gift card for at least one more book.

I love History and fellow-Lizard "Bobblehead" recommended a great book for me about a year ago, "Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors."

Well, I considered this a good library book: The Real History Behind the Templars by Sharan Newman. My favorite section was the one where she goes through the pseudohistories and explains what to look out for.*

*Phrases like "all historians agree" and "everybody knows."
Anyone willing to suggest some reading material for me?

877 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:44:32pm

re: #872 Aviator

Doing Fine. SSDT. Yourself?

Good seeing you..couple of blow out games on TV..Just hanging..
I picked Louisville to win the Championship..They look like monsters tonight..
totally dismantling AZ.

878 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:44:44pm

re: #874 Sharmuta

You're not advocating revolution, are you?

the feds are almost begging for one it seems...they are out of control and people are suffering

879 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:45:02pm

re: #863 yesandno

REPARATIONS...
Can you try linky again?

880 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:45:05pm

I'm out of here for the evening.
Everyone have a good one!

Wow! I actually made it through without getting clawed by the CAT!

881 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:45:23pm

"Conscience of a Conservative" - only $8.99. What a BAR-GOOON...

882 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:45:36pm

re: #875 DEZes

My first birthday

Great find. LOL

883 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:46:25pm

re: #876 EmmmieG

Oops. Stuck my comment in the quote on accident. I was saying I liked Sharan Newman's book.

884 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:48:28pm

BO sees the American people as nothing more than a large pool of money to be tapped for his own socialist advantage....the govt has no money and no mens to get any except through taxation....history is quickly repeating itself...one cannot simply use the mechanics of legislation to rip off the people indefinately....there is a tipping point somewhere

885 Achilles Tang  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:49:06pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

Anyone here understand electricity and math?
Q: If I run a device that runs though a 24 volt adapter can I tell how much energy it's sucking up in watts?

I presume you mean a 120v to 24v converter when you say adapter.

However you can't get there from here, based on your question, because that much tells you nothing about what the device draws. You need to measure the current that is being drawn by both the device and the converter. That can be done (on the 120v end) by a fairly expensive little thingy that you can buy at Home Depot and clamps over the power cable, and gives you the average current being drawn (the device needs to be plugged into an extension cord so the thingy can be clamped around the extension cord).

I think the thingy can be set to calculate watts for you by taking the RMS voltage into account and so on, but I can't afford one.

Why do you ask? Going green?

886 yesandno  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:49:23pm

#863
Sorry.... here is a better link:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

887 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:49:56pm

re: #878 albusteve

the feds are almost begging for one it seems...they are out of control and people are suffering

I agree the officials in Washington are out of control.

And Lincolntf- you absolutely can legislate to politicians what their job is- that's what the Constitution is. It was designed to limit government's powers. The government is now going to far. We should restrict their power a bit more, imo, and that's what this amendment would do. And I think that it's our civic duty to do so.

888 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:50:20pm

re: #881 SlartyBartfast

"Conscience of a Conservative" - only $8.99. What a BAR-GOOON...

Get it- you will love it!

889 Mirage  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:50:35pm

re: #712 itellu3times

Reductionist! Athiest! Your grandfather was an electron!

But you're not positive, are you? :D

890 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:50:49pm

re: #833 NYCHardhat

No. Not at all. You hit for the average unlike the free-swinger I am.

You're spaceDEZes.

/heh

891 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:50:56pm

re: #867 albusteve

how do you marginalize such a large block of voters?....how is it possible to educate the electorate when the MSM is traitorous?....not gonna happen

I'm not so much interested in marginalizing the voters as I am the politicians that cater to the Creationist crowd. Let's start literally demonizing the Discovery Institute and their shills as frauds and Fascists. Let's deny them legitimacy as respected members of the rational Right, because their position is manifestly irrational.

892 Aviator  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:51:16pm

re: #877 HoosierHoops

Not doing much tonight either. I haven't watched a whole lot of the tournament. Watched a little of the Purdue game the other night and have flipped past OU a couple of times tonight.

893 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:51:22pm

Totally OT--my daughter had her tonsils out today. She had a nightmare last night about it--her nightmare was that when she came home she didn't like the flavors of ice cream we had.

That's my girl. Get your priorities straight.

894 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:52:07pm

re: #880 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm out of here for the evening.
Everyone have a good one!

Wow! I actually made it through without getting clawed by the CAT!

Im not human huh, well fine, but look what my cat can do.

895 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:52:39pm

re: #886 yesandno

#863
Sorry.... here is a better link:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

That's atrocious.

896 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:52:39pm

re: #893 EmmmieG

Totally OT--my daughter had her tonsils out today. She had a nightmare last night about it--her nightmare was that when she came home she didn't like the flavors of ice cream we had.

That's my girl. Get your priorities straight.

how is she doing?

897 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:53:44pm

re: #890 Ward Cleaver

You're spaceDEZes.

/heh

EEEEK!

898 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:54:55pm

re: #866 SlartyBartfast

History. Dad was a ww2 vet, so I have a soft place in my heart for that period. On the other hand, I recently read David Howarth's, "1066 - The Year of the Conquest" and it was great.

Well then, welcome to my parlor!

I'd suggest

"The terror" by Grahame Fife book on the French REvolution

Madness, Betrayal and the Lash by Stephen Brown, about George Vancouver's mapping of British Columbia.

Paths of Glory by Stephen Brumwell. The life and death of James Wolfe.

Troublesome Young Men by Lynne Olson. How a group of MP's got Churchill back in power in WWII

Generals by Mark Urban. Lives of 10 British Generals

Emperor of the North by James Raffan. The story of Sir George Simpson and the making the Hudson's Bay Company.

John Adams by David McCullough. Biography.

The Fall of Toulon by Bernard Ireland. How the allies buggered up and could have stopped the French Revoloution..

Sieze the Fire by Adam Nicolson. Good intro book to Trafalgar, the Royal Navy, and Nelson.

God's Secretaries by Adam Nicolson. The history and politics of the writing of the King James bible.

God's Secret Agents by Alice Hogge. Elizabethan history about the outlawed priests, and the gunpowder plot.

Forge of Empires. The lives of Lincoln, Otto Von Bismark, and Czar Alexander II and the idea of revolution.

899 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:55:07pm

re: #896 nyc redneck

how is she doing?

Really well, thank you for asking. However, they warned us that the really bad time is in a couple of days. Right now, it's all ice cream, all the time.

900 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:55:43pm

re: #891 Alberta Oil Peon

I'm not so much interested in marginalizing the voters as I am the politicians that cater to the Creationist crowd. Let's start literally demonizing the Discovery Institute and their shills as frauds and Fascists. Let's deny them legitimacy as respected members of the rational Right, because their position is manifestly irrational.

same question, different words now...you said we need to marginalize the Creationists...how do you demonize them without having egg on your face...demonizing is not cool these days...how do you deny them legitamacy when soon after you elect someone they cut your throat....all this talk is useless imo...voters are too stupid to deal with for the most part

901 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:56:37pm

re: #894 DEZes

Im not human huh, well fine, but look what my cat can do.

Is this your other cat?

902 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:57:26pm

re: #901 callahan23

Is this your other cat?

I ride that one to work. ;)

903 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:58:02pm

re: #895 callahan23

That's atrocious.

Here's a newsflash, Dems - Jefferson Davis is dead.

904 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:58:04pm

Historical biographies/books to read:

His Excellency, George Washington
The First American: The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin
Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation
American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson

905 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:58:52pm

re: #476 Basho

[Link: scienceblogs.com...]

That was quite an eye-opener about how stupid these people actually are.

A basic understanding of the idea of natural selection is all it takes to make it obvious that constructing a program to illustrate it will be an easy and straightforward thing to do. It looks from this that Dumbski - the DI's 'big maths guy' doesn't even have a grasp of the basic logic of natural selection.

What a complete arse!

906 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 5:59:52pm

Did someone say "ice cream"?

907 nyc redneck  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:00:33pm

re: #899 EmmmieG

Really well, thank you for asking. However, they warned us that the really bad time is in a couple of days. Right now, it's all ice cream, all the time.

the ice cream almost makes it worth it.
i hope she's feeling better soon.

908 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:00:50pm

liberalism has been forced upon the American people by the MSM and BDS...if that can happen than the reverse is true....fiscal conservatism likely will need to be forced onto the public...they will never know what hit em anyway...go for their wallets and they will stupidly respond imo

909 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:02:10pm

re: #901 callahan23

Is this your other cat?

Here are my over overachievers

910 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:02:14pm

re: #772 Soona'

The asshole that shot them is being worshipped adoringly by some other worthless assholes.

Yeah, O'Reilly took one of those jackasses to the woodshed tonight.

911 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:04:48pm

re: #908 albusteve

liberalism has been forced upon the American people by the MSM and BDS...if that can happen than the reverse is true....fiscal conservatism likely will need to be forced onto the public...they will never know what hit em anyway...go for their wallets and they will stupidly respond imo

I'm still trying to figure out how it's not our right to constitutionally limit congress, and if we're not obligated to do so in the face of such a wanton disregard for the fiscal interests of the people. It may not be the best solution, but it's surely better than the status quo.

912 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:05:20pm

re: #900 albusteve

same question, different words now...you said we need to marginalize the Creationists...how do you demonize them without having egg on your face...demonizing is not cool these days...how do you deny them legitimacy when soon after you elect someone they cut your throat....all this talk is useless imo...voters are too stupid to deal with for the most part

People, I'm not a creationist, nor do I want religion is public schools, but I have this to say about your disturbing discussion. This is a representative democracy. You are not allowed to deny the rights of creationists, nor their representatives that they duly elect to government, just because you believe they are wrong.

Saying you want to demonize and marginalize creationists puts you in the same category as very unsavory people. Think about what you are asking to be brought about

The battle is in the realm of our legally voted representatives, not in the mob and the guillotine..

913 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:05:45pm

Speaking of reparations (heh heh)...No seriously. I just got the good news that my niece and nephew (10 and 12 years old) will be spending the summer with me. They live in Germany and this will be only their 2nd time in the US.

I am planning a trip to Monticello and Colonial Williamsburg. I think they will like it. Then maybe we can drive to Washington DC. I like history and living in Germany, I am not sure how much they know about US history.

914 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:06:11pm

My grandfather was not a monkey, but I can understand the confusion. ;)

915 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:06:36pm

John Hiatt solo...

916 SummerSong  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:07:21pm

I hope you were able to fit in a bike ride today, Charles. It has been a spectacularly beautiful day!

917 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:07:43pm

re: #859 Sharmuta

Because the alternative would require violence. When the only people constrained by a piece of Legislation are the Legislators, exceptions are the norm.
The excuses offered by the usual suspects range from "emergencies" to "contingencies" to "the voters didn't know what they were voting for". We currently have our first (I think) billion-dollar plus deficit in State history.
The balanced budget amendment in NC is an afterthought, just as it would be if Barney Frank were allocating funds under a Federal balanced budget amendment.

918 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:07:50pm

Here we go!

919 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:08:44pm

re: #904 Sharmuta

Historical biographies/books to read:

His Excellency, George Washington
The First American: The Life and Times of Benjamin Franklin
Founding Brothers: The Revolutionary Generation
American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson

You forgot:

The Audacity of Being an Imbecile: The Life and Times of B. Hussein Obama

920 clgood  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:09:23pm

re: #1 jcm

921 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:10:14pm

re: #919 NYCHardhat

You forgot:

The Audacity of Being an Imbecile: The Life and Times of B. Hussein Obama

Is that on audio book? /

922 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:10:26pm

re: #919 NYCHardhat

You forgot:

The Audacity of Being an Imbecile: The Life and Times of B. Hussein Obama

Nice!
Or the alternate title, Stupid and Smug about it.

923 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:10:48pm

re: #912 Shay4l

People, I'm not a creationist, nor do I want religion is public schools, but I have this to say about your disturbing discussion. This is a representative democracy. You are not allowed to deny the rights of creationists, nor their representatives that they duly elect to government, just because you believe they are wrong.

Saying you want to demonize and marginalize creationists puts you in the same category as very unsavory people. Think about what you are asking to be brought about

The battle is in the realm of our legally voted representatives, not in the mob and the guillotine..

Creationists have no right to subvert science in public schools....and to save the GOP from them is not putting myself in their 'category'...I want them to come to their senses or leave the party period

924 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:10:49pm

Thanks, all, for the suggestions. Order has been placed. (Free shipping--WoooHooo!) Other interesting titles placed on the "wish list".

So many books, so little time...

925 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:10:57pm

re: #921 Afrocity

Is that on audio book? /

Every press conference he can get!

926 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:11:14pm

re: #887 Sharmuta

Restricting the government by adding more lines of script to a document that is already being ignored is worse than useless, it's counter-productive.
In theory you'd be right but in practice your approach couldn't be more wrong.
This is the reality, neither of us have to like it but we both have to deal with it.

927 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:11:33pm

re: #924 SlartyBartfast

Thanks, all, for the suggestions. Order has been placed. (Free shipping--WoooHooo!) Other interesting titles placed on the "wish list".

So many books, so little time...

That was only a small, small selection.

I have a reading addiction.

928 NYCHardhat  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:11:44pm

re: #921 Afrocity

Is that on audio book? /

I think you can get the one with the teleprompter.

929 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:12:08pm

re: #913 Afrocity

Speaking of reparations (heh heh)...No seriously. I just got the good news that my niece and nephew (10 and 12 years old) will be spending the summer with me. They live in Germany and this will be only their 2nd time in the US.

I am planning a trip to Monticello and Colonial Williamsburg. I think they will like it. Then maybe we can drive to Washington DC. I like history and living in Germany, I am not sure how much they know about US history.

At that age not much.
Where, in Germany did you live?

930 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:12:12pm

re: #917 Lincolntf

So- the threat of removal from office via elections doesn't work? Imagine that.

Can you find a link to the NC law? I'd like to read it. Was it set up so they can break it at will, or did it have a super majority threshold to cross?

931 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:12:25pm

re: #925 Mithrax

Every press conference he can get!

Hell, every speech he makes, sounds the same to me. I honestly can't remember anything the man says.

932 clgood  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:12:27pm

re: #912 Shay4l

People, I'm not a creationist, nor do I want religion is public schools, but I have this to say about your disturbing discussion. This is a representative democracy. You are not allowed to deny the rights of creationists, nor their representatives that they duly elect to government, just because you believe they are wrong.

Saying you want to demonize and marginalize creationists puts you in the same category as very unsavory people. Think about what you are asking to be brought about

The battle is in the realm of our legally voted representatives, not in the mob and the guillotine..

There are things which properly may be decided by democracy. Reality is not one of them. You can't change the value of pi by a vote, nor can you make creationism into a science by the democratic process.

933 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:13:16pm

re: #926 Lincolntf

How is making Congress balance the budget counter-productive?

934 albusteve  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:13:26pm

re: #926 Lincolntf

Restricting the government by adding more lines of script to a document that is already being ignored is worse than useless, it's counter-productive.
In theory you'd be right but in practice your approach couldn't be more wrong.
This is the reality, neither of us have to like it but we both have to deal with it.

why is an amendment worse than useless?...the others seem to work pretty good....what approach are you speaking of?

935 funky chicken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:13:49pm

re: #912 Shay4l

I agree with your points. The way to defeat the creationist faction is to support people like this group:

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The Republican Leadership Council supports:

* Low taxes with balanced budgets;
* Strong national defense;
* Engaged foreign policy;
* Protection of the environment; and
* Less government interference in individual lives.

This is an agenda that the majority of Americans already support. The responsibility of ensuring that the GOP follows the proper path lies with those Republicans who are willing to work to make it happen. Join us in reclaiming our Party and ensuring a return to the core values the Republican Party has advocated for generations.

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Bill Clinton came out of the DLC, which was a group founded to bring the democrat party back from the loony-bin. I think it's time to get behind folks who want to do the same for the GOP.

No demonization required. Marginalization through electoral defeat? sure

936 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:14:03pm

re: #930 Sharmuta

I'll get a link. The AG was "consulted" according to the newspaper, but obviously nothing came of that because we're running a fat deficit while the balanced budget law sits proudly in the State Constitution.

937 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:14:17pm

Stewart Lee on Princess Diana

938 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:15:08pm

Hang on, I have to go find a link that will clarify the situation in NC for you guys.

939 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:15:12pm

Just got back from son's baseball practice and 4 hours and 932 posts behind (new thread?). Quick synopsis anyone? Meltdowns?

940 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:15:56pm

re: #929 callahan23

Oh, sorry for the confusion. I am in Chicago. They are in Heidelberg, Germany.
I hope they do not think it is boring. Last time back in 2007 I took them to the Alamo in Texas. I can't do Disneyworld. I think the trip should be fun and educational. I think I will send them some starter books on the presidents and black history, civil war, the revolution so they can have a frame of reference.

Or am I being too strict and approaching this the wrong way.

941 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:16:22pm

Forget it. I offer what I feel is the best proposal fiscal conservatives have at taking back Congress and being held responsible by the people, and it seems no one is much interested. No one wants solutions. Perhaps we want to continue to feel helpless just so we can bitch instead of being proactive in taking our country back. I have nothing to offer then, because I'm not here to enable the status quo.

I need a walk to get some fresh air.

942 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #939 Unakite

Just got back from son's baseball practice and 4 hours and 932 posts behind (new thread?). Quick synopsis anyone? Meltdowns?

We had one melt down and early.
Lesbianrainforest, I think was the name.

943 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:16:31pm

re: #912 Shay4l

People, I'm not a creationist, nor do I want religion is public schools, but I have this to say about your disturbing discussion. This is a representative democracy. You are not allowed to deny the rights of creationists, nor their representatives that they duly elect to government, just because you believe they are wrong.

Saying you want to demonize and marginalize creationists puts you in the same category as very unsavory people. Think about what you are asking to be brought about

The battle is in the realm of our legally voted representatives, not in the mob and the guillotine..

Unfortunatley your post was the one quoted, but my comment was mostly direct to re: #891 Alberta Oil Peon

944 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:16:54pm

re: #940 Afrocity

Oh, sorry for the confusion. I am in Chicago. They are in Heidelberg, Germany.
I hope they do not think it is boring. Last time back in 2007 I took them to the Alamo in Texas. I can't do Disneyworld. I think the trip should be fun and educational. I think I will send them some starter books on the presidents and black history, civil war, the revolution so they can have a frame of reference.

Or am I being too strict and approaching this the wrong way.

Sounds like one hell of a good way to do it.

945 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:18:27pm

There is nothing to stop socialism. It is inevitable. The republic has failed.

946 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:18:50pm

re: #941 Sharmuta

{sharmuta}

I am ready to fight and would follow you into hell with a gasoline thong on.
I consider you to be my LGF big sis. So I back you 100%

947 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:18:53pm

re: #942 DEZes

We had one melt down and early.
Lesbianrainforest, I think was the name.

Yep, that was the troll. Charles swung the ban stick early, and the other trolls have confined themselves to downdings.

948 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:18:58pm

re: #932 clgood

There are things which properly may be decided by democracy. Reality is not one of them. You can't change the value of pi by a vote, nor can you make creationism into a science by the democratic process.

My post was about trying to trying to marginalize and demonize people who believe a certain way, and their duly elected representatives, in a representative republic. Hope this makes my post clearer for everybody, now.

949 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:19:18pm

Thanks, {Afro}

950 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:19:19pm

re: #941 Sharmuta

Don't get huffy. I want a solution as much as you do. The general sense I get from my quick searches is that "mandated" spending (remember, that is also law) has been given precedence over the BB amendment. I'm still looking for a straightforward link to make the situation clear in 1,000 words or less. No luck so far.

951 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:19:26pm

re: #945 Sharmuta

There is nothing to stop socialism. It is inevitable. The republic has failed.

Actually, I would say that people have failed the Republic.

952 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:19:46pm

re: #100 Shug

If a lesbian falls in the rainforest and nobody cares, does it still make noise?

Talking about the lesbian or the rainforest? re: #96 DEZes

Melt down in isle 6. ;)

Here for less than five minutes, and I think I found the meltdown.

953 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:20:54pm

re: #952 Unakite

Here for less than five minutes, and I think I found the meltdown.

Yuppers, you found it.

954 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:20:57pm

re: #945 Sharmuta

There is nothing to stop socialism. It is inevitable. The republic has failed.

Sorry, Shar. I had to downding you for that. We're not beaten yet. There is not at present a constituency for real fiscal restraint, but that does not preclude us creating one. Do not despair.

955 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:21:11pm

re: #355 SpaceJesus

can't we just have a good time making fun of texas and republicans in this thread without getting all up in spacejesus's grill

So, there I was minding my own bidness and posting on teh LFGs, when I got told I just HAD to go out for free Tex-Mex and a couple of cervezas with Da Boys.

How was the grilled jeebus?

/

956 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:21:55pm

re: #950 Lincolntf

Who's huffy? I'm depressed, and deeply so. There is no place for a fiscal conservative in this country.

957 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:22:34pm

re: #946 Afrocity

{sharmuta}

I am ready to fight and would follow you into hell with a gasoline thong on.
I consider you to be my LGF big sis. So I back you 100%

Let's hope Sharm has a nice relaxing, refreshing walk tonight...
She has been brainstorming an idea all day..
I think she'll come up with good ideas...

958 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:22:42pm

re: #954 Dark_Falcon

I dinged you down right back for telling me what to do. I will despair if I fucking want to.

959 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:23:09pm

re: #957 HoosierHoops

Let's hope Sharm has a nice relaxing, refreshing walk tonight...
She has been brainstorming an idea all day..
I think she'll come up with good ideas...

Get someone else to come up with a fucking idea.

960 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:23:47pm

re: #955 OldLineTexan

So, there I was minding my own bidness and posting on teh LFGs, when I got told I just HAD to go out for free Tex-Mex and a couple of cervezas with Da Boys.

How was the grilled jeebus?

/

Sorry, he didn't get the boot yet. Just more downdings.

961 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:23:53pm

re: #945 Sharmuta

There is nothing to stop socialism. It is inevitable. The republic has failed.

Begun, the Clone Wars have.

/I tolded you guys stem cell cloning was from the Dark Side

962 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:24:36pm

re: #957 HoosierHoops

I'm sorry- that wasn't fair to you. I'm depressed and frustrated. I'm taking that walk now.

963 OldLineTexan  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:24:54pm

re: #960 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, he didn't get the boot yet. Just more downdings.

I do not wish the boot for anyone as unwittingly hi-larious as jeebus.

964 NukeAtomrod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:26:03pm

OT: In general, I think it's best to look at the evidence and make your own conclusions rather than to blindly trust experts, but when Freeman Dyson says there's something wrong with your theory, it's time to go back and check your work.

The New York Times, on the other hand, apparently thinks it's time to discredit Freeman Dyson.

965 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:27:04pm

re: #957 HoosierHoops

Let's hope Sharm has a nice relaxing, refreshing walk tonight...
She has been brainstorming an idea all day..
I think she'll come up with good ideas...

My LGF Big sis is the smartest person on this blog. She is and I smile whenever I see her avatar. She took me in and taught me about the evolution threads. Even though it is not something I am passionate about, I respect her position. I am a fiscal conservative, but I am pro choice. I agree with her.

I don't know what the GOP is doing in 2010 to win. All I see is a bunch of fighting amongst ourselves. That will get us no place and the jackass with the teleprompter will win again.

966 SlartyBartfast  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:27:14pm

re: #927 Mithrax

Me too. My problem is, I'm a slow reader...not because I read slowly but because I have a tendency to read a paragraph or page and think, "Wow! That was great!" and I'll read it again, savoring it.

I'm always reading something and there are a lot of kindred spirits on LGF.

Thanks again.

967 [deleted]  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:27:41pm
969 Mithrax  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:30:14pm

re: #966 SlartyBartfast

Welcome!

Admittedly, it's a little heavy towards certain large countries to the north of the United States, but hey, I should know my own country too right? :P

970 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:30:57pm

re: #956 Sharmuta

Who's huffy? I'm depressed, and deeply so. There is no place for a fiscal conservative in this country.

Your among a few here, we just seem to be a minority.
We are watching our nation becoming an assembly of despots?
Many are for sure, they believe its their right to have what others have earned.
No new law will ever keep criminals from being themselves.
And politicians are the worst of the worse, they ignore every law they pass, and point fingers at the little people while teasing us with handcuffs if we even think of crossing the line.
Maybe the answers are out there, but I dare say they would be brutal, and thats a path I dont want for America.

971 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:32:01pm

re: #960 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, he didn't get the boot yet. Just more downdings.

SpaceJesus mostly just likes a bit of banter. There's some real shitbirds around, he ain't one of them.

972 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:32:54pm

Cocteau Twins - Ribbed and Veined

973 SummerSong  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:33:29pm

re: #921 Afrocity

Is that on audio book? /

Only in the U.K.....

/

974 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:33:39pm

re: #971 Jimmah

SpaceJesus mostly just likes a bit of banter. There's some real shitbirds around, he ain't one of them.

Ooo do tell. /

975 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:34:04pm

re: #971 Jimmah

SpaceJesus mostly just likes a bit of banter. There's some real shitbirds around, he ain't one of them.

True. He's annoying but, like avanti, he's not a true troll. I think of the two of them as half-lizard, half-troll hybrids.

976 SteveC  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:34:06pm

Overheard standing in line at the gas station:

"Obama always says the wrong thing. He's like the guy who sings "Walk this Way" at church."

977 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:34:08pm

re: #973 SummerSong

Only in the U.K.....

/

WRONG REGION

978 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:34:36pm

He's home!

*twiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllll*

979 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:35:04pm

re: #978 MandyManners

He's home!

*twiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllll*

Your soldier?

980 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:35:14pm

Hello Mandy!

981 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:35:41pm

re: #975 Dark_Falcon

True. He's annoying but, like avanti, he's not a true troll. I think of the two of them as half-lizard, half-troll hybrids.

Some kind of genetic splicing.
Funny, Avanti does not annoy half as much as three others, but that is life.

982 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:35:42pm

re: #978 MandyManners

He's home!

*twiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrllllllllllll*

Your son?

983 Harry Tuttle  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:36:18pm

re: #913 Afrocity

Speaking of reparations (heh heh)...No seriously. I just got the good news that my niece and nephew (10 and 12 years old) will be spending the summer with me. They live in Germany and this will be only their 2nd time in the US.

I am planning a trip to Monticello and Colonial Williamsburg. I think they will like it. Then maybe we can drive to Washington DC. I like history and living in Germany, I am not sure how much they know about US history.

That sounds like fun for you AC.

If you go to Wiliamsburg you must get brunch at

[Link: oldchickahominy.com...]

You won't be disappointed. Go early to avoid line!

And they ship those hams and bacon to you if you want :-)

mmmm

984 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:36:36pm

re: #981 Afrocity

Some kind of genetic splicing.
Funny, Avanti does not annoy half as much as three others, but that is life.

No, he's not. avanti is just wrong, but he's not mean spirited or hostile.

985 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:36:47pm

re: #981 Afrocity

Some kind of genetic splicing.
Funny, Avanti does not annoy half as much as three others, but that is life.

If I am not annoying its because I am too old to try. ;)

986 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:37:15pm

re: #974 Afrocity

Ooo do tell. /

They can pop up anywhere but the best place to find them is on creationism threads.

987 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:37:36pm

re: #985 DEZes

You are never a problem. Always polite.

988 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:37:50pm

re: #908 albusteve

liberalism has been forced upon the American people by the MSM and BDS...if that can happen than the reverse is true....fiscal conservatism likely will need to be forced onto the public...they will never know what hit em anyway...go for their wallets and they will stupidly respond imo

Unfortunately, things tend towards disorder. Liberalism is a disorder.

989 yesandno  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:37:51pm

re: #965 Afrocity

My LGF Big sis is the smartest person on this blog. She is and I smile whenever I see her avatar. She took me in and taught me about the evolution threads. Even though it is not something I am passionate about, I respect her position. I am a fiscal conservative, but I am pro choice. I agree with her.

I don't know what the GOP is doing in 2010 to win. All I see is a bunch of fighting amongst ourselves. That will get us no place and the jackass with the teleprompter will win again.

I think we need to get out and do things. Get in everyone's face. Write to your Congressmen. Get involved. Read, study, pass it on. Don't expect for the GOP to come around to your way of thinking. Do your thing without party ID for a start. Be conservative and push for it everywhere you can. Eventually you will be the one that defines A PARTY....If it is the GOP, ok. But no longer sit back and let them tell you what YOU should be. You tell them what THEY should be.

Conservatism isn't dead. It didn't loose the last election any more the lack of regulation of Wall STreet lead to the housing crisis. These folks are smoke and mirrors forcing us to fight many different fronts all at the same time. It is time for the surge....everyone getting together and yelling that "WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE AREN'T TAKING IT ANY MORE!"

We have a large hill to climb. Look forward and start marching. We can do this.

990 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:38:11pm

re: #987 Afrocity

You are never a problem. Always polite.

I do try to be, thank you.

991 SteveC  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:38:29pm

re: #978 MandyManners

He's home!

Helloooooooooooooooooo baby!

Yeah, this is the Big Bopper speaking!

Oh, you sweet thing!

Do I what? Will I what?

Oooooooooooh baby you knooooooooooow what I like!

992 Afrocity  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:38:46pm

re: #986 Jimmah

Oh, I wouldn't know. I am not at the LGF difficulty level yet to go on the evolution threads. I try but I am out of my depth.

993 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:39:00pm

re: #965 Afrocity

My LGF Big sis is the smartest person on this blog. She is and I smile whenever I see her avatar. She took me in and taught me about the evolution threads. Even though it is not something I am passionate about, I respect her position. I am a fiscal conservative, but I am pro choice. I agree with her.

I don't know what the GOP is doing in 2010 to win. All I see is a bunch of fighting amongst ourselves. That will get us no place and the jackass with the teleprompter will win again.

Sharm is good people..And it's nice she took you under her wing...
I love ID threads cause that means I get to post my favorite Science sites and world class science blogs..Some Scientists get like 5 hits a month and they spend endless hours working out the math and science in our world..
Over the last many months alot of our fellow lizards have followed the links and left very inspiring comments and complements..
It's really neat to see how much that inspires them..

994 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:39:04pm

re: #988 Unakite

Unfortunately, things tend towards disorder. Liberalism is a MENTAL disorder.


FTFY

995 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:40:42pm

re: #967 taxfreekiller

[Link: www.marklevinshow.com...]

Liberty and Tyranny

Now in among the good flock there are the scouts and enablers of the wolves of the "Tyranny" pack.

From now to Nov. 2010 mid-term elections many sharp eyed sheep dogs will clean the good flock of these dangers within the fences of the original constitution. You do know something of, and what you are, soon it will be made clear to all. The time of choice is near.

Many declare in public clear.
[Link: www.petitiononline.com...]

46,000 here posted for all to see , "Communication in the Clear"

I will buy this book. There's no denying his intelligence, research and conclusions.

996 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:42:04pm

re: #991 SteveC

Helloooooooooooooooooo baby!

Yeah, this is the Big Bopper speaking!

Oh, you sweet thing!

Do I what? Will I what?

Oooooooooooh baby you knooooooooooow what I like!

997 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:42:06pm

re: #992 Afrocity

Oh, I wouldn't know. I am not at the LGF difficulty level yet to go on the evolution threads. I try but I am out of my depth.

You would do fine, your level headed, besides sometimes we have fun in them. ;)

998 callahan23  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:43:18pm

See you all around, Lizards. 'twas a pleasure, as usual.
It is 2:40am where I live. Am dead tired.
Nite, night.

999 MandyManners  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:43:33pm

The Kid's home! I swear, he's grown at least an inch and about two pounds. He has all kinds of new Bronco. My dad is a super guy!

1000 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:43:41pm

re: #997 DEZes

You would do fine, your level headed, besides sometimes we have fun in them. ;)

Um wait, arent we in one........?

1001 Digital Display  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:44:38pm

re: #999 MandyManners

The Kid's home! I swear, he's grown at least an inch and about two pounds. He has all kinds of new Bronco. My dad is a super guy!

I see those smiles..you can feel the warmth..Great news Mandy

1002 DEZes  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:45:48pm

re: #1001 HoosierHoops

I see those smiles..you can feel the warmth..Great news Mandy

I think she is busy, but glad she let us all know he is home and safe.
She wont sleep much tonight I would bet.

1003 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:46:04pm

re: #943 Shay4l

Unfortunatley your post was the one quoted, but my comment was mostly direct to re: #891 Alberta Oil Peon

I'll concede that "demonize" was a poor choice of words on my part, but I'll not take back my use of "marginalize". These people are on the lunatic fringe; they attach themselves to the Right, but the hobby-horse they hold near and dear is ultimately Fascist in nature.

Let's call them Fascist every chance we get, and make clear to the world that they are not part and parcel of the rational Right. Let's make it known to them that they are not welcome in responsible, fiscally-conservative politics.

If they want hold those crazy beliefs, fine and well. If they want to obtain political power in order to impose those beliefs upon the children of others, no way.

1004 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:46:28pm

Wholesale abandonment of media ethical standards.
Science under siege from religious fanatics.
Forced insertion of religion in public school science curricula.
Hatred and disdain for those who hold different political or religious beliefs.
Ruination of financial markets and fraudulent rape of investors.
Foreclosures and bankruptcies at historic highs.
Lack of respect for the government and the governed.

And you don't believe we're on the eve of destruction?

1005 SummerSong  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:46:37pm

re: #977 Afrocity

WRONG REGION

You are right, I was thinking DVD....

1006 quickjustice  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:48:15pm

The people hurt most by this are poor kids who must attend public schools in Texas. For them and their futures, it's a disaster. And as for the people who inflict this on the children of other people in the name of religion, they're allies of Satan straight from the pit of hell.

1007 Unakite  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:49:11pm

re: #998 callahan23

See you all around, Lizards. 'twas a pleasure, as usual.
It is 2:40am where I live. Am dead tired.
Nite, night.

Hmm...five hours ahead of me. I know where you live. And I guess it means I have five hours to go. :)

1008 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:50:08pm

re: #969 Mithrax

Welcome!

Admittedly, it's a little heavy towards certain large countries to the north of the United States, but hey, I should know my own country too right? :P

Yes, we have had our fair share of heroes, rogues, and brigands, and their stories are fascinating, too.

1009 Shay4l  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:51:01pm

re: #1003 Alberta Oil Peon

I'll concede that "demonize" was a poor choice of words on my part, but I'll not take back my use of "marginalize". These people are on the lunatic fringe; they attach themselves to the Right, but the hobby-horse they hold near and dear is ultimately Fascist in nature.

Let's call them Fascist every chance we get, and make clear to the world that they are not part and parcel of the rational Right. Let's make it known to them that they are not welcome in responsible, fiscally-conservative politics.

If they want hold those crazy beliefs, fine and well. If they want to obtain political power in order to impose those beliefs upon the children of others, no way.

That is the proper application of representative power; overcoming ideas that do not benefit the populace.

Thanks for your response.

1010 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:55:03pm

re: #975 Dark_Falcon

True. He's annoying but, like avanti, he's not a true troll. I think of the two of them as half-lizard, half-troll hybrids.

I think avanti just has a slightly different viewpoint to most here but presents his views honestly. Mos def not a troll. As for spacejesus, I think he can be funny as well. It all depends on how you perceive the intent. And whether you're from Texas ;)

1011 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:56:02pm

re: #1009 Shay4l

That is the proper application of representative power; overcoming ideas that do not benefit the populace.

Thanks for your response.

I think we are nearly all on the same side here; we are just debating tactics.

1012 Lincolntf  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:56:27pm

Hello, I'm back. reading the NC Constitution is like reading a time capsule. Very interesting.
Anyway, I believe the portion relevant to the earlier discussion is this:

The General Assembly shall have no power to contract debts secured by a pledge of the faith and credit of the State, unless approved by a majority of the qualified voters of the State who vote thereon, except for the following purposes:
(a) to fund or refund a valid existing debt;
(b) to supply an unforeseen deficiency in the revenue;
(c) to borrow in anticipation of the collection of taxes due and payable within the current fiscal year to an amount not exceeding 50 per cent of such taxes;
(d) to suppress riots or insurrections, or to repel invasions;
(e) to meet emergencies immediately threatening the public health or safety, as conclusively determined in writing by the Governor;
(f) for any other lawful purpose, to the extent of two-thirds of the amount by which the State's outstanding indebtedness shall have been reduced during the next preceding biennium.

Sections B and C are a little scary, maybe that's how they are able to get away with borrowing against the future without any plan for ever paying it back.

Is Realwest on? He's been in NC a lot longer than I have and might know how the balanced budget deal was originally sold to the public.

1013 hopperandadropper  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 6:56:38pm

Checking in late on this one, but although I am displeased that the outcome was not cleaner I think on the whole it's a big setback for the creationists. The "strengths and weaknesses" language had been in place for a long time and having that taken out is significant, even if they managed to shove in a couple of watered-down equivalents. Hey, at least the science standards talk a lot about critical thinking- not a bad trade-off if it's applied to Gorebull warming indoctrination.

1014 Alberta Oil Peon  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:02:45pm

re: #1013 hopperandadropper

Checking in late on this one, but although I am displeased that the outcome was not cleaner I think on the whole it's a big setback for the creationists. The "strengths and weaknesses" language had been in place for a long time and having that taken out is significant, even if they managed to shove in a couple of watered-down equivalents. Hey, at least the science standards talk a lot about critical thinking- not a bad trade-off if it's applied to Gorebull warming indoctrination.

What would be truly ironic would be to have a really gifted, science-savvy teacher use that "strengths and weaknesses" doctrine to to completely demolish the Intelligent Design nonsense in front of a room full of schoolkids. And put it on video.

And therein lies the crux of the matter: that doctrine is set up such that it practically requires individual teachers to editorialize.

1015 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:05:13pm

re: #992 Afrocity

Oh, I wouldn't know. I am not at the LGF difficulty level yet to go on the evolution threads. I try but I am out of my depth.

This IS an evolution thread here, you know. ;)

Evening, beautiful lady. :) Excellent news about your niece and nephew.

{Afrocity}

1016 Aye Pod  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:06:10pm

Had enough of weak-ass "smokin my little reefer of ganga" reggae? This may be for you...

Carlton Livingston - 100 Weight Of Collie Weed

Night folks:)

1017 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:13:26pm

re: #688 Killgore Trout

The power (watts) rating of the adapter is the max that it can safely deliver to its output. If your adapter can provide 24v at 2A, that would be 48W. The powered device may safely draw that much, or less.

In any case, the adapter itself will always draw more energy than it delivers. Typical efficiencies are 60% to 80%. Suppose 80% efficiency for the example above, and the powered device drawing 48W. The adapter would be drawing 60W, delivering 48W, and self-heating at 12W. That 12W may or may not be substantially reduced when the device is unplugged or turned off, depending on the design.

1018 Dr. Shalit  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 7:35:56pm

Ok Lizardim -

MY GRANDFATHER was a Minor League Bootlegger during Prohibition in the 1920's - AND - A Gun-Runner to the Hagannah in the 1940's - seems to me that in his life - HE STRUCK TWO (2) BLOWS FOR LIBERTY - making me PROUD to be His Grandson. That is all.

-S-

1019 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 8:04:21pm

re: #886 yesandno

#863
Sorry.... here is a better link:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

From your link, on reparations

One odd feature: The commission is supposed to have subpoena power. Just why do you think it needs that?

Political cover for people like Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters, Father Pfleger, Louis Farrakhan, Rev Wright and Michelle Obama when they are "compelled" to testify?

1020 Timbre  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 8:31:11pm

The main monkey business of the Discovery Institute and the Texas SBoE is acting like, well, monkeys! The Main Monkey Business of me is listening to Rush's fantastic 2007 instrumental, "The Main Monkey Business." Available on the Album, Snakes & Arrows, for those good capitalists with money left over.

1021 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 9:26:21pm

'My Grandfather Was Not a Monkey!'

Defending the honor of one's ancestors in defiance of fact is a characteristic trait of primitive cultures. I really thought we had gotten away from this here in Texas, where many people actually boast of their descent from horse-thieves and barmaids.
Hell, one of my ancestors was a Congressman and a Democrat to boot, but I do not feel any obligation to hide this shame, since I am not responsible for his deplorable associations.

1022 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 9:54:16pm

re: #816 abolitionist

Descent from a monkey/ape - Bishop Wilberforce was one of the first to speak in such terms to a large semipublic audience. In this portrayal, Wilberforce's mocking summary of Darwin's ideas can be seen (now) as astoundingly prescient and accurate. Much of the genetic science evidence for this has become available only after this BBC docudrama was aired in 1978.

The Voyage of Charles Darwin - Final Episode (Part 4 of 6)

The Voyage of Charles Darwin - Final Episode (Part 5 of 6)

The Voyage of Charles Darwin (Complete Series)

Actually, it'as a matter of both humans and great apes being descended from ancient common hominid ancestors. And all the genetic evidence supports this.

1023 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 10:07:41pm

re: #1003 Alberta Oil Peon

I'll concede that "demonize" was a poor choice of words on my part, but I'll not take back my use of "marginalize". These people are on the lunatic fringe; they attach themselves to the Right, but the hobby-horse they hold near and dear is ultimately Fascist in nature.

Let's call them Fascist every chance we get, and make clear to the world that they are not part and parcel of the rational Right. Let's make it known to them that they are not welcome in responsible, fiscally-conservative politics.

If they want hold those crazy beliefs, fine and well. If they want to obtain political power in order to impose those beliefs upon the children of others, no way.

What could possibly be more collectivist than the bizarre belief that empicial science reality itself will be forced to bend before a popular vote of nonscientist citizens?

1024 Benthoven  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 10:52:49pm

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

1025 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 10:54:27pm

Good grief.

1026 Sharmuta  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 10:57:59pm

re: #1024 Benthoven

Because we evolved from a common ancestor, not from apes.

1027 Salem  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:07:43pm

re: #1024 Benthoven

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

They formed a union.

1028 freetoken  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:21:21pm

re: #1024 Benthoven

Is your webpage still in service, because my DNS can't find it.

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

Besides forming a union, they voted in Card Check.

1029 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:37:54pm

re: #1022 Salamantis

Actually, it'as a matter of both humans and great apes being descended from ancient common hominid ancestors. And all the genetic evidence supports this.

Yes I know. But that's the oversimplified viewpoint that most people mistakenly take, on first exposure to Darwin's ideas, especially when that exposure comes from critics of evolution.

Wilberforce, mocking the new ideas, said:
What Mr Darwin would have us believe is that every beast, every creeping thing, every fish and plant and flies, fungus, elephant, turnip... is descended from one primordial form, into which life was first breathed.

That was fair, but then he fibbed a bit. Wilberforce concluded, saying, I see I have made little imresson on Mr Huxley. Let me ask him just one question. Is it through his grandfather or his grandmother, that he claims descent from a monkey?

The question reflects a distortion of what Darwin theorized - that chimpanzees, apes and Man had a common ancestor, and that more generally, so did all animals. And plants, too. That distortion has been repeated ad-nauseum to the present day.

1030 Salamantis  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:42:35pm

re: #1024 Benthoven

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

The ancient hominid common ancestors of humans and great apes are not still around.

1031 Salem  Fri, Mar 27, 2009 11:52:02pm

re: #1028 freetoken

Is your webpage still in service, because my DNS can't find it.

Besides forming a union, they voted in Card Check.

Those silly monkeys.

1032 Annar  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 4:14:08am

Counter pressure has to be applied to the publishing companies to not include any such material in ANY edition of their publications (no special versions for creationist state(s)). Leave those retrograde localities to Harun Yahya's Islamic books and maybe then the people will wake up.

1033 Mr Secul  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:07:54am

re: #1024 Benthoven

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

If Americans came from other countries, why are there still other countries?

Why are there still prop planes when jets can fly so much faster?

Why are there still books when we have computers?

Do you have cousins?

The apes and monkeys had a common ancestor. Humans, chimps, gorillas and orangutans are cousins. They are all apes.

We know that we are derived from ape ancestors because we are apes. That's a pretty big clue right there.

Chimps are apes, humans are apes, gorillas are apes, orangutans are apes.

They are also all primates and the primate category was invented by a Christian scientist: Linnaeus who died in 1778. That gives you an idea of how long we knew that we were apes.

It was Darwin who explained why we were like the other primates.

If you want to know more about primates.

If you want to know more about old world monkeys.

If you want to know more about apes.

Those pages are an interesting read and are certainly not too technical.

1034 Emerald  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 5:27:26am

re: #170 Shug

Then I doubt they really understand the dynamics of why they won, and why they lost this time around. It also doesn't give me a lot of confidence for the next go-round.

1035 Mr Secul  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:01:11am

re: #1033 Mr Secul

I was reading those links and came across this in the do-primates-make-good-pets? section.

As one monkey owner said "People find out when it's too late. After six months, they're like a two year-old that can fly."

I wouldn't want to have to deal with that! :-)

1036 Aye Pod  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 6:22:03am

'Benthovin' sounds like he gets his ideas from Kent Hovind.

1037 CharlieBravo  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:23:12am

Young people, after 'analyzing and evaluating', will come to the obvious conclusion. Those few who don't wouldn't have anyway due to exposure to outside 'religious' teachings. My opinion from my experience, since both science and bible stories were discussed openly throughout my school years.

1038 Benthoven  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:23:33am

re: #1033 Mr Secul

Is your webpage still in service, because my DNS can't find it.

Umm If we all evolved from monkeys, how come there's still monkeys?

Besides forming a union, they voted in Card Check.

Sorry, guys - I only asked the question because the question itself amuses me. FreeToken pretty much got the seriousness with which I take the whole subject. The science of evolution is pretty solid in my opinion, and Jimmah, I have no idea who Kent Hovind is. Guess I could google it, but I'm sure he's just another dyed-in-the-wool creationist giving republicans a bad name (as if we needed the help)

I do see Charles' point though - as long as we allow the party to be identified with (or by) the truly fringe social cons, we'll have an uphill battle to regain power. The only reason this is true though, is the bigotry and intolerance of the left.

PS: I just let the hosting expire on my site a few days ago - it was with "Mecca" hosting, so you can imagine why I don't want my money going there anymore. New site in progress.

1039 Mr Secul  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 11:57:50am

re: #1037 CharlieBravo

Young people, after 'analyzing and evaluating', will come to the obvious conclusion. Those few who don't wouldn't have anyway due to exposure to outside 'religious' teachings. My opinion from my experience, since both science and bible stories were discussed openly throughout my school years.

The Creationist talking points can be addressed but it takes too much time. It would be great if the evolution part of the school curriculum was at least a year long. Then all the points could be addressed and the pupils would be armed with enough knowledge to answer any further Creationist questions purely by applying first principles.

It would teach the children to evaluate arguments.

But there just isn't the time for this in the school time tables.

I think that the lessons would just degenerate into sessions were Creationism armed pupils would hog all the class time asking spurious questions that no teacher has the time to answer. For example: nonsense like, "why do bananas fit the human hand so well?", or "what about polystrate fossils?". Hours of class time can be taken up with unproductive nonsense like this leaving little time for the teaching of evolutionary theory.

The Creationists know this full well. They know that education is their enemy, a knowledgeable child can easily demonstrate the errors in Creationist arguments but that level of knowledge takes too much time to impart.

Its my impression that evolutionary theory has not been properly taught in America and this is probably down to Creationist tactics over the last century. It looks like they want to continue to deny American children basic education about how the world works.

1040 Aye Pod  Sat, Mar 28, 2009 8:27:45pm

re: #1038 Benthoven

Glad to see you were not serious, but there really wasn't anything there to indicate that in the post! It's a scary fact, but usually when someone posts something like that on a creationism related thread without sarc tags, they are actually being 'serious'.

Kent Hovind is a 'professional' creationist currently serving time for fraud. Apart from having a name with a coincidental yet creepy resemblance to your nick, he's famous for such cutting criticisms of evolutionary science as the one you gave, and "Have you ever seen a dog give birth to a cat?" etc.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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