Gordie: Mickey is a mouse, Donald is a duck, Pluto is a dog. What’s Goofy…?
Teddy: He’s a dog, he’s definitely a dog.
Chris: He can’t be a dog, he wears a hat and drives a car…
Vern: Yeah, that is weird. What the hell is Goofy?
— Stephen King, Stand By Me
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 1, 2009 11:43:13pm |
And, if Stephen King ever did Lizards.....WHOA!
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 1, 2009 11:44:22pm |
BEEG, F'n lizard, at that! With those black ears!
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redc1c4 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:45:19pm |
i never did understand the attraction of Steven King.....
does that make *me* Goofy?
/white smoke
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Edouard Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:03pm |
Goofy's original name, when he was in his original concept stages, was Dippy Dawg.
Goofy is most definitely a dawg.
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gmsc Fri, May 1, 2009 11:46:53pm |
The first Stephen King movie I ever saw was Maximum Overdrive. That put me off Stephen King movies for a long time!
Somebody finally got me to like his movies by showing me "The Shining", but fast-forwarding through the credits, so I wouldn't see King's name.
Now I realize that King has many excellent movies, and he's not just the bad writer that I initially believed. "The Green Mile" is still one of my favorites (Although I've never been able to understand the deal with the constant reference to peeing in Tom Hanks' movies?).
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Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 11:47:49pm |
If goofy is a dog, then whats up with the topiary in the Overlook Hotel?
(Apparently Kubrick co wrote the screen play for the Shining movie adaptation.)
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gmsc Fri, May 1, 2009 11:49:45pm |
re: #9 gmsc
(Although I've never been able to understand the deal with the constant reference to peeing in Tom Hanks' movies?).
Apparently, I'm not the only one:
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pat Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:14pm |
re: #4 gmsc
My dog sits up in the back of my car like a passenger. Hmmm
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redc1c4 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:51:22pm |
horrors..... i'm supposed to take an Engrish exam in the am, all muliple guess, that will help decide if i can take that paralegal class i just signed up for.....
what should i study in the time i have left?
%-)
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Van Helsing Fri, May 1, 2009 11:52:32pm |
re: #1 gmsc
Greetings, LDNT Lizards!
Is that the Late Drinking Night Thread or some obscure mathematical Masonic reference?
And I haven't even kippled much yet.
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gmsc Fri, May 1, 2009 11:53:32pm |
re: #15 Van Helsing
Is that the Late Drinking Night Thread or some obscure mathematical Masonic reference?
And I haven't even kippled much yet.
Sorry - I was trying to type fast enough to be first.
Yeah – Late Drinking Night Thread works for me!
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gmsc Fri, May 1, 2009 11:55:24pm |
re: #8 Edouard
Goofy's original name, when he was in his original concept stages, was Dippy Dawg.
Goofy is most definitely a dawg.
So, he's like a dog, but southern?
;)
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Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 11:55:35pm |
re: #14 redc1c4
horrors..... i'm supposed to take an Engrish exam in the am, all muliple guess, that will help decide if i can take that paralegal class i just signed up for.....
what should i study in the time i have left?
%-)
The Gate of a Hundred Sorrows. '
If the test is tomorrow, it is to late to study anything. But there is time for a very good short story.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, May 1, 2009 11:56:47pm |
Please. Sirs. Is white wine allowed? It's all I have....
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Van Helsing Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:11pm |
re: #9 gmsc
I'll admit to being a snob and not reading King just because 'everyone' was reading his books.
then I got stuck in an airport and all had was a copy of 'The Drawing of the Three' that someone left behind.
Done. From there I had to read The Whole Damn Series and that led to several other of his books.
He can craft a sentence, no doubt about it.
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redc1c4 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:57:47pm |
re: #15 Van Helsing
Is that the Late Drinking Night Thread or some obscure mathematical Masonic reference?
And I haven't even kippled much yet.
obscure mathematical obtuseness is likely to draw concentrated small arms fire from certain quarters.
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Syrah Fri, May 1, 2009 11:59:08pm |
re: #20 Floral Giraffe
Please. Sirs. Is white wine allowed? It's all I have....
All shared alcoholic beverages are allowed.
Whatchagot?
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Van Helsing Fri, May 1, 2009 11:59:20pm |
re: #22 redc1c4
obscure mathematical obtuseness is likely to draw concentrated small arms fire from certain quarters.
I hate getting shot at. I'll stop.
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redc1c4 Fri, May 1, 2009 11:59:37pm |
re: #20 Floral Giraffe
Please. Sirs. Is white wine allowed? It's all I have....
let me taste it, and i'll let you know......
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 12:00:00am |
Today in History, May 2nd:
Highlights of this day in history: Nazi Germany's capital Berlin falls in World War II; Artist Leonardo da Vinci dies; Civil War Gen. 'Stonewall' Jackson killed; Nelson Mandela claims victory in South Africa vote; Singer Bing Crosby born.
Other noteworthy May 2nd events include:
1885 – Good Housekeeping magazine goes on sale for the first time.
1918 – General Motors acquires the Chevrolet Motor Company of Delaware.
1920 – The first game of the Negro National League baseball is played in Indianapolis, Indiana.
1932 – Comedian Jack Benny's radio show airs for the first time.
1933 – Gleichschaltung: Adolf Hitler bans trade unions.
1952 – The world's first ever jet airliner, the De Havilland Comet 1, makes its maiden flight, from London to Johannesburg.
1955 – Tennessee Williams wins the Pulitzer Prize for Drama for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
1998 – The European Central Bank is founded in Brussels in order to define and execute the European Union's monetary policy.
2000 – President Bill Clinton announces that accurate GPS access would no longer be restricted to the United States military.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 12:00:04am |
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:00:49am |
re: #25 Van Helsing
I hate getting shot at. I'll stop.
getting shot at is nowhere near as bad as getting hit......
speaking of which, i should go check the local raton situation.
BRB.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, May 2, 2009 12:01:45am |
I'l warn you, it's from a box.
Sacred cows are falling.
It's decent thought....
Peter Vella Chardonay. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT try anything else of theirs.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:02:00am |
re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth
Multiple guess, you say?
Probability?
how likely it is that i'll still be a bit fried when i take this test?
%-)
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pat Sat, May 2, 2009 12:02:06am |
re: #9 gmsc
King is the worst movie person of all time. His interference in movies may demonstrate that he is a hack. He writes, others make movies. I frankly do not seem to understand his appeal. After the book, The Shining, he descended into a world of his own and his readers. Truly bad writing, plotting, science, and horror. If you like horror, read an author that , unfortunately, no longer writes the same. read Robert McCammon...
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:02:37am |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
I'l warn you, it's from a box.
Sacred cows are falling.
It's decent thought....
Peter Vella Chardonay. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT try anything else of theirs.
does it have an ethanol content?
/all that matters
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:02:55am |
re: #31 redc1c4
how likely it is that i'll still be a bit fried when i take this test?
%-)
Depends on time zone and if you take my advice.
I wouldn't take my advice.
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Cheechako Sat, May 2, 2009 12:02:55am |
re: #14 redc1c4
horrors..... i'm supposed to take an Engrish exam in the am, all muliple guess, that will help decide if i can take that paralegal class i just signed up for.....
what should i study in the time i have left?
%-)
First, check spell-check.
Then the alphabet......A, B, C, D, and sometimes E.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, May 2, 2009 12:03:32am |
re: #33 redc1c4
LOL!
The state of Ca. doesn't require that...
YET!
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Abu Al-Poopypants Sat, May 2, 2009 12:03:40am |
Goofy is a dog who's friends with Mickey Mouse. He talks and wears clothes.
Pluto is a dog. Mickey Mouse's dog.
What's up with that?
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:07am |
re: #29 redc1c4
getting shot at is nowhere near as bad as getting hit......
speaking of which, i should go check the local raton situation.
BRB.
Truth Typed There.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:09am |
Speaking of Stand By Me, they removed pretty much all of the trackage on Northern California's McCloud River Railway back in 2007. This was where the scene on the trestle was filmed....
I believe that the steam locomotive used in that scene is in nearby Yreka on the Yreka & Western railway, but the owners have put her up for sale.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:12am |
re: #34 Van Helsing
Depends on time zone and if you take my advice.
I wouldn't take my advice.
i'm on CST...... %-)
/Charles Standard Time
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:23am |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
I'l warn you, it's from a box.
Sacred cows are falling.
It's decent thought....
Peter Vella Chardonay. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT try anything else of theirs.
A chair, because a vest has no sleeves.
/What?!?
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:04:59am |
re: #37 Abu Al-Poopypants
Goofy is a dog who's friends with Mickey Mouse. He talks and wears clothes.
Pluto is a dog. Mickey Mouse's dog.
What's up with that?
where does Minnie fit into that equation?
/white smoke
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:05:01am |
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:06:16am |
re: #37 Abu Al-Poopypants
Goofy is a dog who's friends with Mickey Mouse. He talks and wears clothes.
Pluto is a dog. Mickey Mouse's dog.
What's up with that?
Sounds like a San Francisco thing. Check with Zombie.
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 12:07:03am |
re: #39 Fenway_Nation
Speaking of Stand By Me, they removed pretty much all of the trackage on Northern California's McCloud River Railway back in 2007. This was where the scene on the trestle was filmed....
I believe that the steam locomotive used in that scene is in nearby Yreka on the Yreka & Western railway, but the owners have put her up for sale.
TRAAAAAAAIN!
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Cato the Elder Sat, May 2, 2009 12:07:32am |
re: #27 gmsc
2000 – President Bill Clinton announces that accurate GPS access would no longer be restricted to the United States military.
On of America's great gifts to the world.
You're welcome, world. No, really, no thanks required. Enjoy.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 12:07:50am |
4 day work weeks for us military folks, glorious! 10 hours flight time per pilot max! (we usually average 20-25) The North Koreans are beating us right now (and they don't even wear socks). I don't see any change till the new fiscal in oct. Hell, many squadrons are shut down this next month, time to take some vacation. Some east coast squadrons are shut down for 2 months (and maybe more). This is the kind of sh@% we heard about in 91 with Riffs (forced reduction in forces). Hopefully it wont come to that.
Hopey f-n change indeed, 5 Billion to Acorn and the like for "community developement" to register Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan ten times for a pack of smokes on da streets.
Oh well, I just got back, so I am happy to hang with the fam. The new guys are sucking though, you cant be a trained killer sitting on your ass for months at a time. Nothing to see here, just move along...
Hell, its all just one mans anecdote (no layers on layers of fact checking, or rigorous peer review)
Hell, just one mans idea: If we lock Representative Jack Murtha in the closet for a f-n week, we could train pilots, purchase more Raptors and suitcase this shit. Sorry for the rant...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 12:08:58am |
re: #31 redc1c4
Well, I'll put it like this. Way back when, I fucked off half a semester in one class. The final was multiple choice, four answers per question. I had a 25% chance to pass the final.
Out of 125 questions, I actually knew the answers to less than ten, and guessed on the rest. I passed with a C, and "seas git degrees".
/Not proud, but multiple guess tests are what they are...
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Killian Bundy Sat, May 2, 2009 12:10:55am |
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Syrah Sat, May 2, 2009 12:11:44am |
re: #30 Floral Giraffe
I'l warn you, it's from a box.
Sacred cows are falling.
It's decent thought....
Peter Vella Chardonay. DO NOT, repeat DO NOT try anything else of theirs.
Boxed wine isn't too bad if you serve it to guests from a carafe or fancy decanter.
Some wines are better than others, but most are very good, and a few are very bad.
All the same, most of it is all in the expectations.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 12:11:53am |
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:12:07am |
re: #48 eddiespaghetti
4 day work weeks for us military folks, glorious! 10 hours flight time per pilot max! (we usually average 20-25) The North Koreans are beating us right now (and they don't even wear socks). I don't see any change till the new fiscal in oct. Hell, many squadrons are shut down this next month, time to take some vacation. Some east coast squadrons are shut down for 2 months (and maybe more). This is the kind of sh@% we heard about in 91 with Riffs (forced reduction in forces). Hopefully it wont come to that.
Hopey f-n change indeed, 5 Billion to Acorn and the like for "community developement" to register Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan ten times for a pack of smokes on da streets.
Oh well, I just got back, so I am happy to hang with the fam. The new guys are sucking though, you cant be a trained killer sitting on your ass for months at a time. Nothing to see here, just move along...
Hell, its all just one mans anecdote (no layers on layers of fact checking, or rigorous peer review)
Hell, just one mans idea: If we lock Representative Jack Murtha in the closet for a f-n week, we could train pilots, purchase more Raptors and suitcase this shit. Sorry for the rant...
this needs to be read twice: i remember when i couldn't even get a windshield wiper funded for my Deuce.... then they decided he head gasket was leaking, so it went NMC. the eventual fix about a year later was when they transferred it to another unit, so they could carry it on their books.
/it may never have been fixed.
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Dancing along the light of day Sat, May 2, 2009 12:12:51am |
Stay Scaly. Lizards.
I'm sleepy!
G'night, all!
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:13:19am |
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 12:14:04am |
Hmm....is it inappropriate for me to mention my monicker for wine-in-a-box at one point was MILF nectar?
/Not talkin' Moro Islamic Liberation Front, either.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:14:28am |
re: #52 Syrah
Boxed wine isn't too bad if you serve it to guests from a carafe or fancy decanter.
Some wines are better than others, but most are very good, and a few are very bad.
All the same, most of it is all in the expectations.
i beg to differ..... most of it is in the individual taste buds.
expensive crap is still crap. good and cheep is still good.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:15:00am |
re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth
WOOKIES DON'T LIVE ON ENDOR!
/imanerd
Duh! Everyone knows they live on on Kashyyyk.
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Edouard Sat, May 2, 2009 12:15:35am |
re: #14 redc1c4
horrors..... i'm supposed to take an Engrish exam in the am, all muliple guess, that will help decide if i can take that paralegal class i just signed up for.....
what should i study in the time i have left?
%-)
Obviously: this is the perfect website to study:
On the site: English as communicated in signs and on consumer products, mostly in Japan.
It's quite an education.
One of the funniest sites on the Internet, I kid you not.
Some of my favorite parts:
Thank You Stayed Here (Japanese hotel message on a bathroom door)
Natural Synthetic Homemade Cookie (Japanese treat)
Mobile Phone Warning in Engrish
Coolpis (Japanese drink sold in cartons)
Lots more Engrish on that site to study, I can assure you
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Killian Bundy Sat, May 2, 2009 12:15:58am |
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:16:11am |
re: #55 Floral Giraffe
Stay Scaly. Lizards.
I'm sleepy!
G'night, all!
You're leaving the box, aren't you?
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 12:16:14am |
re: #58 Fenway_Nation
Hmm....is it inappropriate for me to mention my monicker for wine-in-a-box at one point was MILF nectar?
/Not talkin' Moro Islamic Liberation Front, either.
Sounds like you could've just called it box-in-a-box, for short.
;)
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:17:35am |
re: #52 Syrah
Boxed wine isn't too bad if you serve it to guests from a carafe or fancy decanter.
Some wines are better than others, but most are very good, and a few are very bad.
All the same, most of it is all in the expectations.
My Uncle has a huge wine collection, he's somewhat of a connoisseur....
Bad thing is that it's spoiled the shit out of me. Really good wine is REALLY good.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 12:21:07am |
re: #61 Van Helsing
It is EPIC FAIL on YouTube's part that this is the only relevant clip featured.
/EPIC SUCK, as well... LAME!
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Syrah Sat, May 2, 2009 12:22:26am |
re: #59 redc1c4
i beg to differ..... most of it is in the individual taste buds.
expensive crap is still crap. good and cheep is still good.
I think that we are actually in agreement, more or less. Many people are taken in by the hype, but not everybody.
Good wine is still good no matter the price. Bad wine is still for OK for cooking.
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Neutral President Sat, May 2, 2009 12:23:13am |
re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
It is EPIC FAIL on YouTube's part that this is the only relevant clip featured.
/EPIC SUCK, as well... LAME!
That's because Viacom Nazis get South Park clips taken down pretty fast if they find them.
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Neutral President Sat, May 2, 2009 12:26:22am |
re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
Here's part of the Wookie defense... badly captured and it's past the part where Johnny Cochrane mentions Kashyyyk.
I hate it when people make videos by recording their tv screen with a video camera...
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:27:51am |
re: #67 Slumbering Behemoth
I've gotta agree. Star Trek silliness, anyone?Red Shirt Boogie
If I got this from someone here, I apologize and credit anyone with anything.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 12:28:09am |
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:28:59am |
re: #68 Syrah
Bad wine is still for OK for cooking.
Amazing things can happen to it if you distill it, too.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:30:11am |
re: #68 Syrah
I think that we are actually in agreement, more or less. Many people are taken in by the hype, but not everybody.
Good wine is still good no matter the price. Bad wine is still for OK for cooking.
i love cooking with wine: sometimes i even put it in the food.
/white smoke
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Neutral President Sat, May 2, 2009 12:31:40am |
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Killian Bundy Sat, May 2, 2009 12:32:45am |
re: #69 ArchangelMichael
Green Mountain Coffee Roasters, Inc.
Caught it on a $55.71 stop, $55.75 limit. I ended up with a good boatload of the stock at $55.75 on Tuesday, 4/26/09, sold it at $75.
/and you didn't like it
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 12:33:20am |
re: #54 redc1c4
Whats a Duece cost? Burned 35m in gas alone this deployment, parts are ludicris prices, but hell, lets hope the supplemental fills in the gap so we don't RIFF folks.
The shit has hit the fan on the deck level in the military for other priorities:
1: Universal health care
2: Cap and Trade
3: Levetron trains from LA to Vegas
4: Swine odor reduction
5: Mob Museum in Vegas
6: Ect, ect, ect....
The hell with the fact that China has Flankers from Russia for their new carrier, a new domestic 4th gen fighter. All is well! We apologized to the world, they love the messiah, its all good!
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Neutral President Sat, May 2, 2009 12:36:02am |
re: #80 Killian Bundy
You didn't make 20 points on that due to technical buy signals though, and that was the point of the discussion at the time if I remember correctly.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 12:36:12am |
re: #81 eddiespaghetti
Well, yeah. As long as they know we're like really sorry and we we're different know that that bad old Bush guy isn't CIC anymore, what could go wrong?
| 84 |
Syrah Sat, May 2, 2009 12:37:03am |
A last bit of Kipling and then I am out for the night.
Just something To be Held for Reference.
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 12:38:52am |
re: #80 Killian Bundy
Green Mountain Coffee Roasters, Inc.
Caught it on a $55.71 stop, $55.75 limit. I ended up with a good boatload of the stock at $55.75 on Tuesday, 4/26/09, sold it at $75.
/and you didn't like it
Here we go with the IBD commercials again....
| 88 |
Killian Bundy Sat, May 2, 2009 12:41:33am |
re: #82 ArchangelMichael
You didn't make 20 points on that due to technical buy signals though, and that was the point of the discussion at the time if I remember correctly.
Could have bought it at $ 52.
/placed a stop limit ($55.71 stop, $55.75 limit) order, to catch it only if it broke through the $55.71 technical ceiling
| 89 |
Killian Bundy Sat, May 2, 2009 12:43:52am |
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Wendya Sat, May 2, 2009 12:50:20am |
re: #32 pat
If you like horror, read an author that , unfortunately, no longer writes the same. read Robert McCammon...
I've read McCammon. I've also read King. I thought McCammon was probably the better of the two but I admit enjoying King's pre-accident books.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 12:57:35am |
re: #83 Van Helsing
Indeed, its GWB's fault.
Oh wait, it's not. This congress is passing a budget that does the 3 things that the dems are know for:
1) Cut the military
2) Raise Taxes (this time back door via carbon tax)
3) increase spending and adding to the debt.
1.85 Trillion dollar deficit this year. As of now, we have a n 11.8 Trillion national debt. Servicing on the debt will only decrease the amount of discretionary spending in the future...
2 options; Raise taxes, cut benefits. Guess which one will win?
The standard Insti Debt chart:
[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]
For F@#k's sake.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 12:59:42am |
re: #92 eddiespaghetti
my advice to you is to start drinking heavily......
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 1:03:42am |
re: #93 redc1c4
my advice to you is to start drinking heavily......
Thank you. Don't mind if I do. Good morning all.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 1:04:24am |
re: #93 redc1c4
I just switched from scotch (little ice, splash of water) to coffee from Dunkin Donuts about an hour ago (damn that Sh@T is good). But sage advice indeed....
I will throw in a chew in here in a minute to keep the vibe going. Still pissed though...
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:05:45am |
re: #92 eddiespaghetti
Yeah, and don't even get me started about where the carbon tax goes.
Cuz while we're looking at that we'll get gubmint health care rammed (nevermind).
Here's a shiny... keep looking at that....
Can't count on the MSM to point these things out. I'm sure there will be no equivalent to Cronkite after Tet declaring the war lost saying that gubmint healthcare will break the country, and when, by the by, did it become the jobe of the federal government to regulate the cost of health care?
We let them slip this to us, it's time to say no more.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:06:54am |
re: #93 redc1c4
my advice to you is to start drinking heavily......
Sage advice from a wise m-- er, whatever.
Still sage, though. Just don't want to make assumptions.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 1:08:40am |
re: #95 eddiespaghetti
I just switched from scotch (little ice, splash of water) to coffee from Dunkin Donuts about an hour ago (damn that Sh@T is good). But sage advice indeed....
I will throw in a chew in here in a minute to keep the vibe going. Still pissed though...
no worries GI: i've gotta hit it, since i'm supposed to take that test in a fe hours, and it would help if i could at least make out the little circles to fill them in.
hasta y'all..............
L8r!
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 1:09:33am |
re: #97 Van Helsing
Sage advice from a wise m-- er, whatever.
Still sage, though. Just don't want to make assumptions.
californian native sage at that..... %-)
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:09:51am |
OK. Now I'm whining.
The eldest kid calls me from the sandbox on Thursday AM. We chat for a bit and then he sez, "Oh shit dad. Gotta go."
I'm waiting for the 'no biggie' call.
Otherwise, I'd be asleep.
Probably not drinking.
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redc1c4 Sat, May 2, 2009 1:12:58am |
re: #100 Van Helsing
OK. Now I'm whining.
The eldest kid calls me from the sandbox on Thursday AM. We chat for a bit and then he sez, "Oh shit dad. Gotta go."
I'm waiting for the 'no biggie' call.
Otherwise, I'd be asleep.
Probably not drinking.
probably the new 2LT wanted to have a surprise in ranks inspection.....with Class A's.
/we'll hope for the best
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:15:28am |
re: #101 redc1c4
That's what I'm thinking.
I don't worry about him. Much.
He's good, trained, well equipped and been there before.
But thanks, sage one.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 1:23:07am |
re: #87 traderjoe9
The world will miss Western civilization. I found the "call to action" thing a little ominous.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 1:25:39am |
re: #96 Van Helsing
Of course the tax goes to the investors (see All Gore) who have invested in companies heavily involved in the AGW bullshit. This will be ENRON x 11
If we loose universal health care to all, (and it looks like Nancy is going to use reconciliation to avoid the Senate Filibuster) the country will be dramatically changed. Talk to any military doc, 90% of their time is spent on 5 percent of the malingerers. Hell, look at your own family, we all have them, hypo's, fatties, smokers, ect. Why should I pay for their life choices? F-them. Part D Medicare added a huge burden on our generation with the boomers (be that as it may). And this was GWB's fault. Just watch what portion of "discretionary spending" is left after the messiah reshapes our current system.
Again: Punish John Gault and he says F-it, why should I work hard to give a marginal tax rate approaching 50-75% to the malingerers.
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 1:25:43am |
re: #104 BatGuano
The world will miss Western civilization. I found the "call to action" thing a little ominous.
They can always pick up Atlas Shrugged to remember what the last days were like.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:26:23am |
re: #104 BatGuano
The world will miss Western civilization. I found the "call to action" thing a little ominous.
They left out that Western Civilization has tipping point where it can get real ugly.
I pray not to be a part of it.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 1:29:39am |
re: #100 Van Helsing
Set up Skype with you man in the box, free VTC, works great:
[Link: www.skype.com...]
Free VTC and you get to see his pretty face, you need a camera or its just voice only.
| 109 |
Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:35:16am |
re: #105 eddiespaghetti
We've just gotten a tiny taste of how the government will be dealing with this by the way CRBBHO treated the investors in Chrysler.
Not going to be pretty. Fight it now, for whatever it is worth tell your congresscritters this is not acceptable.
That will be a start.
re: #108 eddiespaghetti
Set up Skype with you man in the box, free VTC, works great:
[Link: www.skype.com...]
Free VTC and you get to see his pretty face, you need a camera or its just voice only.
We have comms, it's just the abrupt leaving that concerned me. Evening, Baghdad time on Thursday. Wouldn't be the first time he forgets that people get worried.
It's interesting talking with my dad who was in Korea about the differences in 'war' between then and now.
He'd get mail - maybe - once a month. Now I get twitchy when I haven't heard from the kid for a couple of days.
No, I'm not really worried. I'd just like to know WTF is going on.
| 111 |
BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 1:36:43am |
re: #107 Van Helsing
If I am "lucky", I will live to see some of the ramifications. Western civilization is not compatible with Islam. One or the other (or both) will have to compromise to avoid unpleasantness.
| 112 |
gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 1:39:42am |
There! Chicago, Illinois! Have I ever told you how I cleaned out the Chicago racketeers?
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 1:41:12am |
My bro in law is in Iraq right now (I just left shipboard from the gulf with Iraq and the Gulf of Oman with Afghanistan) and every time we were in port Skype worked great. Ichat works well too if you are both Mac users. I find Ichat does not play well with PC's however. I get to talk to him via Facebook chat or Skype all the time. It is tons better than just 10 years ago with shitty e mail, or even worse snail mail. There are many options out there now to keep in touch on a daily basis. They love it as much as u do, I assure u.
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schnapp Sat, May 2, 2009 1:43:08am |
I feel the need to write about this somewhere . . .
There was a friends of palestine rally today and my friend and I went to "suss it out". They were calling people to boycott the supermarket chain IGA because they sold Israeli products, particularly oranges.
btw. I checked out the particular IGA that they were outside spewing their disgusting rhetoric and they only sold Australian grown oranges.
Anyway, the little hamas cheer squad of about a dozen people (one of whom was our agent) were standing ouside handing out leaflets and not causing much trouble to the people around enjoying their lunch and my friend and I sat around for a while to see how things would play out and we were getting ready to leave.
We then decided to take some pictures of them. They saw this and we lied and said we were tourists from Melbourne but we had been hanging around for a while and they knew what we were doing there.
One bloke had a video camera and came up to us with the camera rolling and demanded an apology for taking a photo of them without asking.
I mean, for fuck's sake, THEY WERE PROTESTERS! They wanted to be seen. Anyway, it's not a crime to take a photo of anyone in public. This guy pestered us demanding that we justify ourselves as Jews for "Israel's crimes". He then went on a rant about how Israel is slaughtering palestinians. Note: I am 18. I went to a Jewish school and led a sheltered life in the Jewish community in Perth. I wanted to say something but i didn't know what to say. It would have been better to keep walking but the temptation was too great. My friend spoke up. He knew people who had been victims of terrorism. There was a heated argument between the two. The man with the camera then descended into a tirade about how Judaism is a disgusting religion, how he has read the Talmud and the Tanach and how it says that all the Gentiles deserve to die blah blah blah. How Jews are racist murderers who only care about themselves. He went on for about 10 minutes on this same line. Security asked us to move on so we did. It was just so tempting to stay. People were looking on while this dickhead was screaming anti-semetic bullshit i have heard before from jew watch ie. that 40 million Christians were killed in Russia by the Jews and that all Jews are racist fanatics hell bent on murder.
My friend, stan, tried to shut his camera and got hit in the face. People were looking on at us. The guy told us his name: brendan o'connor. apparently he has a blog.
AUJS (Australian Union of Jewish Students) attended a palestinian land day thing once on campus to suss them out and they held back from declaring their anti-semetic attitudes, pretending to care more about the plight of the palestinians. But this guy let the veil drop. In front of everyone there (to whom we probs looked a bit stupid to as well, seeing as the smart thing to do would have been to walk away) he unleashed all these millenia old conspiracy theories and blood libels against they jews. He claimed that they had broken into his house, been tracking his phone, monitoring his blog. He revealed the true intentions of this little terrorist support squad.
Well, brendan o'connor, you are 100% right AT THE LAST PROTOCOLS OF ZION MEETING (UNDERNEATH THE PERTH CONVENTION AND EXHIBITION CENTRE, but shhh, don't tell anyone the locations of our secret bunker). THE ELDERS MADE SECRET PLANS TO AMBUSH AND NEUTRALIZE THE GREATEST THREAT TO WORLD DOMINANCE THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS EVER KNOWN (you) FROM LAST WEEK'S MEETING, BETWEEN PLOTTING THE NEXT FLU PANDEMIC AND ORGANIZING MRS ZUCKERMAN'S 90TH BIRTHDAY PARTY AT THE RETIREMENT HOME.
YOU GOT US!
now i know this wasn't really relevant, but i just wanted to talk about it somewhere, because it made me so mad to hear in public today, the unashamed anti-semetic rantings of a lunatic in front of people just trying to eat their lunch. I wish we had just turned away. Next time I will. But God help me next time I won't stay silent either when someone insults me, my family and my religion.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 1:45:32am |
re: #87 traderjoe9
[Video]Scary
"The German government, the first to talk about this publicly.."
Yeah, scary indeed. The tone of that vid is reminiscent of an ugly part of human history. Do. Not. Want.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:49:44am |
re: #111 BatGuano
If I am "lucky", I will live to see some of the ramifications. Western civilization is not compatible with Islam. One or the other (or both) will have to compromise to avoid unpleasantness.
And that is the crux of the matter.
If it were not so far into the EMDT (where's LoL with fruitcup, by the by. I have doughnuts and coffee. Get you're own Baily's) I'd try to make a parallel between the 'radical' spread of Christianity, which pretty much ended in the 17th century and the spread of Islam by the sword - which hasn't stopped yet.
Again, one of the really, really, basic things to remember about western civilization is that we bend well - we do not break, and the snap back can be painful.
| 118 |
eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 1:51:49am |
re: #115 schnapp
To quote Team America: "This is my shocked face:.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:52:59am |
re: #112 gmsc
I loved Tennessee Tuxedo...
What was the other one they had... Cavalry Fort... gopher Indian... Smart Lt dog, stupid Col dog...
Now I'm gonna have to look.
| 120 |
gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 1:53:22am |
re: #119 Van Helsing
I loved Tennessee Tuxedo...
What was the other one they had... Cavalry Fort... gopher Indian... Smart Lt dog, stupid Col dog...
Now I'm gonna have to look.
Go-Go Gophers!
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 1:54:04am |
re: #115 schnapp
It's an open thread.
BTW...feel free to swing by the nittrogen-filled chamber underneath Denver International Airport if you think your subterranian protocols of Zion meetings in Perth are in danger of being compromised.
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 1:56:10am |
re: #119 Van Helsing
I loved Tennessee Tuxedo...
What was the other one they had... Cavalry Fort... gopher Indian... Smart Lt dog, stupid Col dog...
Now I'm gonna have to look.
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 1:57:04am |
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 1:58:11am |
Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Bee...
/oh, nevermind!
| 129 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 1:58:40am |
Still not sharing your sedative, are ya littleoldlady?
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 1:58:42am |
re: #117 Van Helsing
I was thinking the same thing about how the Church ruled Europe for all those years until the culture of freedom, inexorably, moved toward secular rule. Victor Davis Hanson had some things to say about the "western way of war".
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 1:58:52am |
re: #115 schnapp
Now you've gone and told them.
We have to send in a scrub team straight away.
This will cost you.
Never stay silent, schnapp.
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:00:30am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!
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schnapp Sat, May 2, 2009 2:00:49am |
re: #121 Fenway_Nation
It's an open thread.
BTW...feel free to swing by the nittrogen-filled chamber underneath Denver International Airport if you think your subterranian protocols of Zion meetings in Perth are in danger of being compromised.
thanks, i thought i wasn't going to get the chance to practice world domination anymore :P
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 2:01:08am |
re: #132 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you! Yummers!
| 136 |
BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:02:11am |
re: #132 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!
Thank you, littleoldlady. It's been too long.
| 138 |
BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:03:49am |
I noticed this thread got more active as fruit cup approached.
| 139 |
eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 2:03:53am |
re: #132 littleoldlady
Is Fruitcup Atkins compliant? Trying to keep my girl-ish figure...
| 140 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 2:04:06am |
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 2:04:26am |
re: #132 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Help yourselves!
Good morning!
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 2:04:48am |
re: #124 gmsc
Oh yeah. I'm going to retreat to my happy 6 year old place now,
Thank goodness it's just a short walk.
Tennessee Tuxedo and Mr. Whoopee is what got me into engineering.
They did a cartoon on TV that explained CRTs and raster pictures and all kinds of cool stuff.
LoL...
Put the coffee on the sideboard by the fruitcup, and add the doughnuts if you would be so kind.
Thanks.
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:05:26am |
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:07:04am |
re: #140 Slumbering Behemoth
Veh iz mir. :-/
Slumbering! ;-)
Matrix! :-)
Van Helsing! :-)
Donuts? You have donuts?
/don't tell eddie...
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gmsc Sat, May 2, 2009 2:07:50am |
re: #142 Van Helsing
Oh yeah. I'm going to retreat to my happy 6 year old place now,
Thank goodness it's just a short walk.Tennessee Tuxedo and Mr. Whoopee is what got me into engineering.
They did a cartoon on TV that explained CRTs and raster pictures and all kinds of cool stuff.LoL...
Put the coffee on the sideboard by the fruitcup, and add the doughnuts if you would be so kind.Thanks.
Oh, good, then you could help out with this telephone problem in the zoo...
| 146 |
TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 2:08:31am |
re: #144 littleoldlady
Veh iz mir. :-/
Slumbering! ;-)
Matrix! :-)
Van Helsing! :-)
Donuts? You have donuts?
/don't tell eddie...
Doughnuts sound great right now.
I had four items from Taco Bell at 11:30pm after a 10 hour shift @ Baskin :-/...the only thing I had all day!
| 148 |
eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 2:11:31am |
re: #143 littleoldlady
I'm currently at a stalemate with an ambien (taken 10 minutes ago) and 3rd cup of dunkin donuts coffee.
Lets see who the best man wins! Although I'm getting sleepy. Maybe I should add some beef like you alluded to.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 2:12:00am |
re: #132 littleoldlady
™
Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------->
Too kind, as usual.
/Although, Red's secret formula version would be nice, as I trudge through some nasty websites...
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:13:19am |
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 2:13:33am |
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 2:14:36am |
re: #145 gmsc
AAARRRRGGGHHHH!
I used that one to make a telephone science show thing in elementary school!
Stop!
Or
We go Tudor Turtle...
Help Mr Wizard! I don't wanna be an engineer any more!
Twizzle twazzle twazzle twone...
Time for this one to come home.
Yes. I'm old enough where s looked like f.
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:17:16am |
'Night, gmsc! :-)
Thanks for the tearjerker...
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 2:18:07am |
I'm off (more than my rocker).
So for the indeterminate time zones -
Good night - Good night
Or Good Morning
I'll just be watching.
| 156 |
littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:19:26am |
'Night, Van Helsing! :-)
Good to see you!
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:19:39am |
re: #153 Van Helsing
I was trying to remember that show. Thanks! " Be what you is, not what you is not". Or something like that.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 2:20:12am |
re: #115 schnapp
If you have some interesting photos from the whole ordeal, why don't you write up the experience and see if Zombie (or someone similar) could host the story on line?
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:23:10am |
Anyone remember the 2000 year old man?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 2:24:35am |
I am still troubled by this video, linked on this thread.
In an era of recent past, similar propaganda was focused on a different group for certain devastating ends.
Charles has drawn attention to growing fascist movements, here and abroad, and for good reason. We would all be wise to be wary of those elements.
I am all for opposing the spread of islamofacism, but this video... damned if it doesn't stink of nazi propaganda.
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 2:29:13am |
re: #159 BatGuano
LOVE.IT.
I'm still looking for the clip where the 2000 year old man explains how they started believing in God.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:32:36am |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
It is troubling. There is the element of truth in that western civilization is in Jeopardy, and there is the appeal this might have to more reactionary groups.
There will be a conflict. I just don't know what form it will take. I hope everyone will keep their cool and not descend into barbarism.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:36:12am |
re: #161 littleoldlady
I don't remember that one, but I will search for it.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:39:19am |
Good news! Justice Souter is retiring. Bad news. TOTUS will choose his replacement without opposition.
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eddiespaghetti Sat, May 2, 2009 2:43:34am |
3 cups of Dunkin Donuts coffee are no match for this time of night. I will finish off a goodnight with a Jawa style War Pron vid:
Nice secondaries for the Viper guys in Iraq. Nite Yall.
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schnapp Sat, May 2, 2009 2:44:19am |
re: #158 freetoken
If you have some interesting photos from the whole ordeal, why don't you write up the experience and see if Zombie (or someone similar) could host the story on line?
we didn't get too many photos, which is a pity. we only got one (bad) photo of them from a distance.
but thanks for the suggestion, i'll remember that next time :)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 2:48:33am |
re: #162 BatGuano
I find the tone of that particular video to be repellent. It has overtones of pure breeding, and not so subtle undertones of blood and soil.
Again, I am opposed to the spread of sharia-style oppression, and islamofascism, but that video, and it's not so subtle message, unnerves me.
If this is the kind of rhetoric that becomes both popular and acceptable with politicians and their constituents, the rest of us need to be on our toes. Always.
This is not good.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 2:55:09am |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
I think I agree with you. As I posted at #104 the "call to action" was ominous. I also agree it has Nazi overtones. I accept changing demographics as inevitable (I don't like it) but I hope we can preserve western civ without war. If the west becomes ruled by sharia, we are all lost.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:00:31am |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
The power of xenophobia ought not be under-rated.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:01:03am |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
Do you think we can hope that the younger generation of Muslims might actually like the freedom of democracy and reject Islamic law?
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 3:03:56am |
re: #160 Slumbering Behemoth
I am still troubled by this video, linked on this thread.
In an era of recent past, similar propaganda was focused on a different group for certain devastating ends.
Charles has drawn attention to growing fascist movements, here and abroad, and for good reason. We would all be wise to be wary of those elements.
I am all for opposing the spread of islamofacism, but this video... damned if it doesn't stink of nazi propaganda.
What's the quick write-up of the video? Can't check it through my miniscule bandwidth.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:08:15am |
re: #171 Slumbering Behemoth
Any time I hear (or read) "It's time to wake up", a red light goes off in my brain. Whether it is Beck, or in this video's case (of explicit culture war, xenophobia, and implied Nazi-like breeding concerns), it almost always means someone is trying to pull a cover over some sort of hatred.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:09:15am |
re: #176 haakondahl
What's the quick write-up of the video? Can't check it through my miniscule bandwidth.
It's a demographics "analysis" of sorts, essentially warning that Moslems are breeding like rabbits and the western culture is doomed.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 3:13:02am |
re: #172 BatGuano
The "Call To Action" part is ominous indeed. Is it intended to inspire those who are of European descent to boink like bunnies and procreate, or...
Another thing I noticed about the video is it's quality. Not the work of some fringe, underfunded group. It looks rather professional.
This is not good. (Or if you prefer: This does not bode well.)
| 180 |
BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:16:29am |
re: #178 freetoken
The video's fact are essentially correct, but it somehow asks us to take action that might be more consonant with a "final solution", that is repugnant to most of the west.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:19:07am |
re: #176 haakondahl
I should also add that the video is supposedly a Christian evangelistic video. The idea, and this was proposed some time ago among Protestant US evangelical groups, is that there was an urgent need to evangelize Islamic countries. I remember that there were specific groups (I can't remember exactly, perhaps I should do some research on the net to remind me) that had outlined a part of the globe, bounded by certain latitudes, which were the most Moslem in population. Those were to be the targets.
Now this effort seems to have morphed into a more defensive one.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 3:20:49am |
re: #175 BatGuano
Do you think we can hope that the younger generation of Muslims might actually like the freedom of democracy and reject Islamic law?
It is the western style constitutional separation of church and state and constitutional protections afforded to individual rights, not democracy, which is inconsistent with Islamic (Sharia) law. We have examples in Iran and Gaza of how democracy alone, without an underlying functional constitution, is no guarantee of good government.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:06am |
Ahh- fruitcup and friends. It doesn't get much better than this.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 3:22:36am |
re: #175 BatGuano
Do you think we can hope that the younger generation of Muslims might actually like the freedom of democracy and reject Islamic law?
Absolutely! But only if they are able to clearly see the difference. This is why it is critically important to have nothing to do with the crypto-fascists and neo-fascists, especially as they come out of the closet, when they are most likely to take some previously reasonable followers with them.
Why fight for one form of oppression, when you can have another form with no fight? This is the question posed to people who have an opportunity to join us, but who see hateful souls like Geller masquerading as the mainstream right.
Our friends on the Muslim side of the fence (if there is a fence) will win this fight in a way that we cannot, but only if our friendship is genuine, and widespread.
| 186 |
Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:25am |
re: #184 haakondahl
I wish I could up ding you a million times for that.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:23:55am |
re: #179 Slumbering Behemoth
Agreed. The professional quality hit me at a subconscious level, until you brought it up: Now it is obvious.
I'm all for those of us of European descent to "boink like bunnies", it's the "or"...that worries me.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:28:25am |
re: #182 Spare O'Lake
Absolutely right. From what I understand (and I might be wrong) Allah, takes precedence over any man-made laws. Democracy is in direct opposition to God.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:13am |
re: #184 haakondahl
My understanding from reading a couple of books on Afghanistan is that they were relatively progressed for that region before the taliban took over- at least in the cities. They had decent schools that both sexes were allowed to attend, including university. So they do have a history of a more progressive society then just being a 3 world hell hole.
Same is true in Iraq, where despite his evil rule, Saddam promoted public education. The Iraqis overall are better educated than some of their neighbors.
I think both countries can beat the odds and make a better future for themselves, but not if we fail to support their fledgling democracies.
| 191 |
Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:31:36am |
re: #189 littleoldlady
Sorry I'm late! I was having keyboard issues.
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:01am |
Was half-heartedly job hunting in another window and lost track of the time...
G'nite lizards!
/who ya got in the Derby?
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littleoldlady Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:22am |
re: #191 Sharmuta
Well, I'm glad I got to see you before I left! :-)
/verybigsigh :-/
Good day, ALL!™
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schnapp Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:26am |
re: #188 BatGuano
Maybe there should be a Divine Congress. I wonder who God would vote for?
:p
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:33:45am |
re: #184 haakondahl
This is why it is critically important to have nothing to do with the crypto-fascists and neo-fascists,
No problem here. A fascist is a fascist. Let's work with changing demographics and do what we can to preserve our tradition of freedom.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, May 2, 2009 3:34:09am |
Some things should be left to the Italians or those qualified to prepare Italian food.
I just had a vegetable pizza..........with lima beans on it along with other vegies...wish I could get my hands on a fruit cup....
| 199 |
Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 3:37:37am |
Hmm....why do I post after telling everyone I'm leaving?
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Fenway_Nation Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:12am |
re: #196 IslandLibertarian
Sounds horrible....should I console you by describing the pepperoni, sausage, tomato, salami and mushroom pizza I had tonight?
/NO pineapples whatsoever...
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 3:39:41am |
re: #178 freetoken
It's a demographics "analysis" of sorts, essentially warning that Moslems are breeding like rabbits and the western culture is doomed.
Well, I could get behind a F***ing for Freedom program, with all requisite patriotic fervor.
It sounds like the video has something a little less respectable in mind.
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schnapp Sat, May 2, 2009 3:41:01am |
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:12am |
re: #194 schnapp
That's above my pay grade (That answer worked for Barry).
:)
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:39am |
re: #175 BatGuano
Do you mean in the U.S.? Yeah, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated./
Though we hear of some tragic stories of young muslim kids being murdered by their parents here in the U.S., our secular freedom is a compelling concept that tends to overwhelm religious oppression.
Despite the shit-headed-ness of multiculturalism, America is still a melting pot. Freedom is contagious.
| 205 |
haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 3:42:46am |
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 3:44:07am |
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:46:00am |
re: #199 Fenway_Nation
Hmm....why do I post after telling everyone I'm leaving?
Because you love us and just can't tear yourself away?
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:47:46am |
Ok, you didn't like the last video...
Here is a more level headed, less religious discussion of the problem:
(the first few minutes is a boring introduction)
/indeed, I find the whole presentation boring, but just posted it to show that not everyone out there is a raving looney.
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IslandLibertarian Sat, May 2, 2009 3:48:33am |
re: #200 Fenway_Nation
To be honest, there was enough mozzerella and olive oil to make it a tasty "pizza", even if it really wasn't a pizza.......and the incredible coffee after made up for it.
After dinner I had to track down an receptacle adapter for my laptop. If you're ever in Shinjuku, stop in at Yodobashi Camera & Electronics...........saw the most amazing Sony digital........love this country.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:48:49am |
re: #198 freetoken
I cut it off early. I have a bad reaction when I hear "Christian" or "White people". I have hearing those words as pejoratives for years.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:02am |
re: #205 haakondahl
Of course I noticed. I'm a girl- we notice stuff, and junk.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:49:33am |
re: #201 haakondahl
Well, I could get behind a F***ing for Freedom program, with all requisite patriotic fervor.
.
Do you remember from last year (I may have posted a link) that the Russian government had set aside a special weekend at certain locations, to hold large parties, to do... well, essentially what you said.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 3:50:45am |
To advocate an increase in birthrates among non-Muslims as a strategy to combat Islamification is racist and reactionary.
re: #188 BatGuano
Absolutely right. From what I understand (and I might be wrong) Allah, takes precedence over any man-made laws. Democracy is in direct opposition to God.
Not necessarily.
If a majority of the electorate votes for Sharia law, that is a democratic result. But it is a result which is antithetical to our constitutional guarantee of separation of church and state.
In an Islamic Republic, you have a constitutional guarantee that Sharia law trumps democratically enacted legislation. This is the exact opposite of the US constitutional separation of church and state.
Democracy alone, without constitutional guarantees that religious beliefs cannot be passed into law, is simply not good enough.
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TheMatrix31 Sat, May 2, 2009 3:51:23am |
re: #208 freetoken
Ok, you didn't like the last video...
Here is a more level headed, less religious discussion of the problem:
(the first few minutes is a boring introduction)/indeed, I find the whole presentation boring, but just posted it to show that not everyone out there is a raving looney.
Damn, lol. An hour and a half? Is that a rebuttal to the original video?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 3:51:53am |
re: #211 Sharmuta
I'm a girl- we notice stuff, and junk.
I left my webcam on again, didn't I? Damnit!
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:53:11am |
re: #214 TheMatrix31
Damn, lol. An hour and a half? Is that a rebuttal to the original video?
No, it is a presentation at the NewAmericaFoundation (think tank) that discusses the problems that will happen in the developed world as World demographics change.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 3:56:35am |
re: #215 Slumbering Behemoth
I left my webcam on again, didn't I? Damnit!
Yeah- those dust bunnies under the bed are getting a bit out of hand.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 3:56:55am |
Look, the world is changing.
That is one of the reasons I find so much of the "grass roots" efforts, such as the "Tea Parties", as wastes of time. Almost always they are just people who want to stick their heads in the sand, and somehow magically turn the clock back 200 years.
Today is 2009, and we face 21st century problems.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 3:58:14am |
Good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?
( Did I miss the fruitcup again?)
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 3:58:59am |
re: #213 Spare O'Lake
It's late (for me) so I can't see where we disagree. Voting for Sharia law? Has that ever happened. I would think only in a democracy would one have the opportunity.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 4:04:44am |
re: #221 BatGuano
Good morning, Hoosier.
Good Morning! I just read through my spam mail...Why does the world want to make me bigger? such concern
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:04:54am |
re: #190 Sharmuta
My understanding from reading a couple of books on Afghanistan is that they were relatively progressed for that region before the taliban took over- at least in the cities. They had decent schools that both sexes were allowed to attend, including university. So they do have a history of a more progressive society then just being a 3 world hell hole.
I am still surprised whenever I read books and see pictures about how it used to be over here. As I understand it, the society was fairly well split between urban and rural communities who had little in common day to day, but whose shared cultures (plural) and history united them even while the "tribal" affiliations usually dictated much that remains transparent to us, even to this day. What looks very old to us here is not old--the brutal repression is new.
Strains of it go wa-a-ay back, but they have a more visible version of a problem that we in the west also have--our war against Marxism has left a force of anti-Americans who are adapting the tactics and strategies (from Beria to Gramsci) of the old totalitarians to the flexibility of insurgency.
They can get organized and dis-organized, as necessary, up and down the spectrum from local intimidation to worldwide subversion, in a way that we cannot. This warfare will continue to be highly asymmetric; it will never become a war fought in a conventional way, although that *component* will be brought to bear from time to time. But it will be battles, not the war.
The Counterinsurgency Manual is a fantastic book. I'm no expert, but I continue to learn from everybody I can talk to about this, and it seems to me that the most important aspect available to local commanders is to make risk decisions appropriate to the mission, which would be *inappropriate* in conventional fighting.
More on this later.
Meanwhile, we could all do well to understand the so-called tribal relationships over here. I confess that it is largely a mystery to me, and I believe that even most Afghans will debate the connections, much the same way that we debate politics, because over here, that is a huge component of politics.
I'm still not sure how it even fits in, on a daily, tactical, operational, strategic, or global level in the society. Even the vocabulary I'm using isn't particularly well-suited to the task at hand--another problem.
For now, I'd be happy just to get people to recognize our own shortcomings in comprehension.
This is not so that we can "see everything clearly and get done exactly what we want", which cannot be done, but rather, so that when we speak to Afghans, we have some clue who we are tlalking to. Many of the folks here are quite good at this, and understand pretty well. Of course, that is not a universal trait, and it doesn't have to be--I don't know how the milkman votes, but I know how he delivers milk.
Even defining the problems is frustrating. I try to take it one piece at a time. It's going so-so.
But the relationships I have here are a source of hope and an inspiration to me to spread the good news about Afghanistan. THere's plenty of bad news, and I don;t want to snow anybody. But the fact is that there is a lot going right here, even if as some say, things are getting worse. We are not evacuating the last choppers from Saigon; we are learning the same way we did in Iraq, but it's taking some time.
Realistic people have always admitted that it will take a long time, and I share the fear that American willpower will give out. I guess that my "plot summary" would read that we definitely can succeed, and it remains to be seen whether we actually will.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:06:43am |
re: #209 IslandLibertarian
To be honest, there was enough mozzerella and olive oil to make it a tasty "pizza", even if it really wasn't a pizza.......and the incredible coffee after made up for it.
After dinner I had to track down an receptacle adapter for my laptop. If you're ever in Shinjuku, stop in at Yodobashi Camera & Electronics...........saw the most amazing Sony digital........love this country.
The Yodobashi at Yokohama Nishiguchi has a T.G.I.Friday's right around the cor-nerrrrr...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, May 2, 2009 4:07:17am |
re: #217 Sharmuta
Yeah- those dust bunnies under the bed are getting a bit out of hand.
And that's what you notice? Ouch! I spent $80 on this pirate costume for nothing!
/
I am knocking off, but I will link this one more time. Lizards, Lizardoids, and Lizardettes, am I off my nut, or is this vid a bit of "old school" blood & soil soul propaganda?
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:08:01am |
re: #212 freetoken
Do you remember from last year (I may have posted a link) that the Russian government had set aside a special weekend at certain locations, to hold large parties, to do... well, essentially what you said.
I *do* remember that! I knew that there was something rattling around in my brain when I posted--that was it. Wow.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 4:08:09am |
re: #222 HoosierHoops
They are obsessed with your hoo hoo dilley. They want you to satisfy all of your women.
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BatGuano Sat, May 2, 2009 4:11:39am |
Good night, all. That last post means I have jumped the shark.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 4:13:19am |
re: #228 BatGuano
Good night, all. That last post means I have jumped the shark.
Good Night! weet dreams!
you jump the shark..I'll cook it..with a nice dill sauce
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 4:16:28am |
re: #220 BatGuano
It's late (for me) so I can't see where we disagree. Voting for Sharia law? Has that ever happened. I would think only in a democracy would one have the opportunity.
The USA is more than a democracy. It has a constitution which would prevent imposition of Sharia law even if a majority of Americans voted for it.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:18:37am |
re: #213 Spare O'Lake
To advocate an increase in birthrates among non-Muslims as a strategy to combat Islamification is racist and reactionary.
It's cultural, not racial, as Islam is not a religion. If we assume Muslims of European descent and Christians of Middle-Eastern descent, then what is passed down *in common* through these groups is tradition,or culture, but not race.
If a majority of the electorate votes for Sharia law, that is a democratic result. ... [snip] ... Democracy alone, without constitutional guarantees that religious beliefs cannot be passed into law, is simply not good enough.
And this, to me, is one of the defining differences between the left and the right. YMMV.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:21:08am |
If a majority of the electorate votes for Sharia law, that is a democratic result. ... [snip] ... Democracy alone, without constitutional guarantees that religious beliefs cannot be passed into law, is simply not good enough.
And this, to me, is one of the defining differences between the left and the right. YMMV.
Actually, I need to clarify this. The left are the folks complaining that our Republic isn't set up right, and should become a Democracy. I view this as definitional. At the same time, they are the ones who live in fear that a Christian theocracy is just around the corner whenever a Republican walks by. You would think that they would understand the connection.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 4:29:02am |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dp. ejsy od i[z
Good morning Veggie..hope today finds you well..
Now what the heck does that mean? :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 4:29:03am |
re: #234 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Dp. ejsy od i[z
Which translates to...
So, what is up.
Used my "qwerty" board as a "wertyu" board.
Perhaps coffee'd work.
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Mithrax Sat, May 2, 2009 4:31:49am |
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 4:32:02am |
re: #233 haakondahl
Actually, I need to clarify this. The left are the folks complaining that our Republic isn't set up right, and should become a Democracy. I view this as definitional. At the same time, they are the ones who live in fear that a Christian theocracy is just around the corner whenever a Republican walks by. You would think that they would understand the connection.
When you get the time, you should read Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions. The left-right dichotomy isn't a good indicator of political philosophy. While the left tends towards one vision, there are some on the right that hold to that vision, just with different end results in mind. Conversely, there are some on the left who agree more with the opposite vision- one that protects the system and allows society to evolve naturally based on traditions and customs working within an established framework. You have a good grasp on civics- I think this book will make a lot of sense to you, and you'll see politics in a whole new light.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 4:32:18am |
Hoops! Celtics play today? Can't believe the Bulls have pushed them this far; even without KT.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:34:09am |
re: #230 Spare O'Lake
The USA is more than a democracy. It has a constitution which would prevent imposition of Sharia law even if a majority of Americans voted for it.
The U.S. is of course not a Democracy. It is a Republic. This is one of the reason the we are "conservatives" while they are "progressives". We want to defend the structure of our government from what we see as the mindless or feckless depredations of those who do not understand how to run a Republic, while they want to move toward what they see as a more utopian, less archaic model of government, run by people who know how to run *everything*.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 4:36:06am |
re: #239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hoops! Celtics play today? Can't believe the Bulls have pushed them this far; even without KT.
Hey you..The view is that the Bulls-Celts game may be one of the best Basketball series of all time..7ot's in one series is an all time record.
unfricking believable!
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 4:37:39am |
I'm going to go get an omelet. For those leaving soon- have a great day, otherwise I'll see you guys & gals later.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 4:37:53am |
re: #242 HoosierHoops
Oh, yeah. It's been amazing. Noah has had a greater impact on the NBA than I thought he would. This Derrick Rose guy is wicked good.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 4:38:17am |
re: #241 haakondahl
The U.S. is of course not a Democracy. It is a Republic. This is one of the reason the we are "conservatives" while they are "progressives". We want to defend the structure of our government from what we see as the mindless or feckless depredations of those who do not understand how to run a Republic, while they want to move toward what they see as a more utopian, less archaic model of government, run by people who know how to run *everything*.
You have a constrained vision, my Dear. (That's a good thing)
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 4:39:43am |
re: #233 haakondahl
Actually, I need to clarify this. The left are the folks complaining that our Republic isn't set up right, and should become a Democracy. I view this as definitional. At the same time, they are the ones who live in fear that a Christian theocracy is just around the corner whenever a Republican walks by. You would think that they would understand the connection.
I suppose there are those on the left who may oppose parts of the Constitution.
Unfortunately however, there are elements of the religious right which advocate for legislative imposition of what are essentially religious values. These elements have more in common with advocates of Sharia than they may care to admit.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:41:44am |
Rambling on...
To me, the big contradiction of the left os that while they go on about "Democracy Now!" and so forth, a Democracy is actually even farther fromo what they create than it is from a Republic. To oversimplify Democracy, every citizen votes on whether to fix each pothole. To oversimplify a Republic, small groups vote on whether to fix small groups of potholes. But what the Democrats consistently come up with, due to the unworkability of true Democracy in large groups, is instead ( to oversimplify) a single person who adjudicates to disposition of each pothole.
So while they song they play is Democracy, they march toward Dictatorship.
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 4:42:19am |
re: #247 Spare O'Lake
Just because certain values are picked up on by religions doesn't make the values in and of themselves religious. And the United States was founded on religious values. Seperation of the church and states is to ensure the church doesn't hold all the power not to render the church a non entity.
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 4:43:43am |
re: #249 Rustler
Bah "religious values" was supposed to be in quotes I got ahead of myself.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 4:44:15am |
re: #248 haakondahl
And, I have decided that my LGF Rapper name is Sir-PIMF-A-Lot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 4:52:12am |
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 4:56:45am |
May 2, 2009Obama's first 100 days from a black's perspective
By Lloyd Marcus
Remember the Soup Nazi on the Seinfeld sitcom? If you annoyed the chef, he would yell, "No soup for you!" When I hear the mindless reasoning of Obama supporters, I want to scream, "NO VOTE FOR YOU!"
All of our spending as a nation up until this point in time is dwarfed by Obama's spending in only 100 days. And yet, he promises fiscal responsibility. Our great grand kids will be paying his debt. Various areas of private sector freedoms are being infringed upon as Obama boldly goes where government has never trespassed before. My goodness, he fired the CEO of a private company, GM, and nobody cares. Such government overreaching should scare the 'bee-gee-bas' out of you.
And yet, I realize those embittered with 'class envy' love Obama's power grab and redistribution plans. Manipulative politicians have suckered you into believing that you have little because others have too much. What a tragic, dis-empowering and repulsive mindset. Losers. Losers. Losers. Winners think completely the opposite. America is the greatest nation on the planet with opportunity for ALL who are willing to GO FOR IT!
Now, let's talk national defense. In a nutshell, Obama wants to make 'nice-nice' with those who want us dead. Believing his own fawning press, Obama thinks the power of his charisma will transform evil megalomaniacs and religious zealots into allies. How arrogant, narcissistic, and scary is that? Mr President, what part of "we will kill ALL (infidels) who do not embrace our religion" do you not understand?
And another thing, despite my flaws, my wonderful wife thinks I'm the best thing since sliced bread. Is it too much to ask that our president feel such pride and affection for his country? Obama is constantly trashing our way of life and referencing policies abroad as the lead we should follow.
I realize this is after the fact, but what the heck were you Christians thinking? You voted for a guy who voted to let babies die that survive abortions. Sadly, I believe it all comes down to two mindless emotional things. Obama is black and his speeches make you feel good.
While I am ranting, if one more conservative congratulates me because we have our first black president, I am going to slap them. Well, not physically, but in my brain. In essence, they're saying, "Obama is wrecking our country, but you should be proud, Lloyd, because he is black like you." Lord, help us!
© Lloyd Marcus
from [Link: www.renewamerica.us...]
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 4:59:07am |
re: #255 Rustler
I liked the article so posted it not sure if anyone else will get a little "tingle" in hteir leg watching Obama get trashed :P
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 5:00:49am |
re: #255 Rustler
I wonder If he will be derided as a musician sticking his nose in politics like the Drunk Beck tryed to do to Charles.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:05:17am |
re: #247 Spare O'Lake
I suppose there are those on the left who may oppose parts of the Constitution.
Unfortunately however, there are elements of the religious right which advocate for legislative imposition of what are essentially religious values. These elements have more in common with advocates of Sharia than they may care to admit.
DING DING DING!
It was this contradiction that motivated me to clarify. I could have been even more clear and mirrored the left's contradiction with the right's, which you have put very well above.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 5:07:24am |
re: #255 Rustler
www.renewamerica.us...]
Should I poison the well and reveal that site is a classic creationist site"
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pittrader1988 Sat, May 2, 2009 5:13:27am |
Article in WSJ magazine about Desiree Rodgers. She manages Brand Obama from the White House.
He isn't the teflon President (Reagan)
He's the "Madison Avenue President"
or
President Smoke and Mirrors
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jill e Sat, May 2, 2009 5:14:24am |
Glanced through the thread..."Stand by Me" is the movie (directed by Rob "Meathead" Reiner) is based the short story by Stephen King titled "The Body." I read the story about a year before the movie came out and had major deja vu when I saw the movie.
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 5:14:28am |
Well, I guess that shut down conversation.
I'm still following up on the video posted way up stream... about the demographic issues wrapped in evangelical/xenophobic robes. I never realized how many racist videos really existed on Youtube....
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:14:50am |
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SixDegrees Sat, May 2, 2009 5:16:20am |
re: #178 freetoken
It's a demographics "analysis" of sorts, essentially warning that Moslems are breeding like rabbits and the western culture is doomed.
Similar charges have been leveled against all sorts of groups on the "out" over the years - Catholics, Mexicans and blacks, within my own memory.
It's a fundamentally derogatory accusation that attempts, as in your own summary, to lower a group to the level of animals and thereby make them less than human.
I won't be going there.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:18:01am |
re: #253 Iron Fist
Why is this seen as somehow worse than non-religious values? Especially when you look at how the Soviets enforced their explicitously non-religious values. Or, closer to home, those who would simply ignore entire articles of the Bill of Rights simply because they don't like the Right detailed therin?
I feel that it is not worse, but that the problem is with the imposition of any values which are not a part of our charter, the Constitution. The government should not be in the business of pushing any values except for those which it is necessary and reasonable for the government to make its concern, and which the people have consented to get the government involved in at all.
Valuing life is not some miraculous universal constant--it is a value which we have decided that it is well and good for the government to take on. I would be happy to see the government out of the marriage business altogether, except that it is already so taxably, legally, punitively involved, that we cannot now simply stop being concerned. For this reason, I support a States-Rights approach to marriage definition, through a prohibition on Federal rulings on the matter. This is in the category of stopping further inivolvement, but it only works if we can also undo earlier involvement. Leaving the ecumenical aspects to the churches, I would favor something even *less* endorsing than "civil unions", and fortunately we already have a well-developed body of law and precedent: Corporate Law.
I would have no problem with the Feds allowing two gay men to simply incorporate as a business, indeed a limited partnership, same as any other group of people can. Heck, all Federal involvement could move that way.
It's not perfect, and many avenues of abuse are open, but these could probably be dealt with if it is done as a completely indifferent set of transactions, as far as the Feds are concerned.
I'm certainly open to hearing how this is a dumb idea--I haven't given this potential course of action much thought, although the problem has bothered me (and about 200 million other people) for years.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:18:37am |
It is very early on a Saturday morning, guys.
Holy cow! My head hurts.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:23:39am |
That's not what I meant!
gotta run anyway.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:24:23am |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is very early on a Saturday morning, guys.
Holy cow! My head hurts.
I take it Friday evening is your night under the desk?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:25:59am |
re: #270 haakondahl
Saturday mornings, it's LGF or Cartoons. Cartoons suck nowadays!
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 5:26:11am |
Good morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards. What's up?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:26:55am |
re: #270 haakondahl
Where are you anyway? You seem to be amazingly lucid this morning.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 5:26:56am |
re: #272 Erik The Red
Good morning/Afternoon/Evening Lizards. What's up?
Good Morning Erik! How are you today bro?
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 5:28:24am |
re: #249 Rustler
re: #253 Iron Fist
I view the issue as one of finding the right place on a continuum of basic societal values vs. strictly religious values.
For example it is debatable whether prohibitions against killing derive from religious or secular values, but noone could challenge the criminal law against murder on the basis of the separation of church and state.
At the other end of the spectrum, it is I trust by now perfectly clear that a law which purports to require observance of a religious custom, such as mandatory recital of prayers in public schools, is clearly unconstitutional.
However, when it is not clear whether something is a foundational societal value or just a religious belief, that is where the rubber hits the road.
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 5:30:27am |
re: #260 freetoken
Fischer is a kook as are a few other former contributers there but he isn't the man who wrote the article I linked. Doug Hagin is another contibuting creationist who writes for them. But I have yet to find an Article by Mr. Marcus advocating ID.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:31:01am |
re: #273 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Where are you anyway? You seem to be amazingly lucid this morning.
Afghanistan. Please pardon the interruption--the normal shoddy service will be resumed shortly.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:31:39am |
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 5:31:40am |
re: #274 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Erik! How are you today bro?
Hey 2H. I am GREAT. Hope you are well.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:32:06am |
re: #277 haakondahl
Oh yeah! No wonder you are lucid. I'm still stumbling around a little.
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goddessoftheclassroom Sat, May 2, 2009 5:33:09am |
Good morning, Lizards!
{Spare O'Lake}
{Hoosier Hoops}
{FBV}
{Erik The Red}
{haakondahl}
{SixDegrees}
{freetoken}
{jill e}
{pittrader1998}
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 5:35:05am |
re: #281 goddessoftheclassroom
Good morning Beautiful..Hope you are well this morning...
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 5:35:24am |
re: #275 Spare O'Lake
...when it is not clear whether something is a foundational societal value or just a religious belief, that is where the rubber hits the road.
This simple. My first preference is that the government stay out of it. Failing that, the government simply asks me what to do, and I tell them. If that didn't make sense later, then it already had quite soon, once I got my Time Machine together. We already will have this conversation!
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 5:35:30am |
re: #268 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is very early on a Saturday morning, guys.
Holy cow! My head hurts.
OK, so you would rather mooooooooove on?
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 5:35:51am |
More details about the Chrysler deal are coming out:
Yale, Halliburton, Gates Foundation Listed as Chrysler Lenders
May 2 (Bloomberg) -- Chrysler LLC’s secured lenders included Yale University, Oaktree Capital Management and assets managed for the University of Kentucky, Halliburton Co., Kraft Foods Master Retirement and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a court filing in the carmaker’s bankruptcy shows.
Chrysler, the nation’s third-largest automaker, filed for Chapter 11 protection after a group of 20 Chrysler secured lenders calling itself the “Committee of Chrysler Non-Tarp Lenders” rejected an offer by the government that would have paid them $2.25 billion on $6.9 billion of debt, or 33 cents on the dollar.
The government plans to ask the bankruptcy judge to let it pay the creditors in that group $2 billion, or 29 cents on the dollar, to end their claims.
But several of the secutred lenders decided to take the deal anyway. Why/ Well one of the bankruptcy attorneys, Tom Lauria offers this answer - direct threat and intimidation by the White House:
Frank talks with Tom Lauria, who represents a group of lenders that object to the Chrysler sale
During the interview, Lauria says that one of his clients was threatened by the White House to either accept the deal or else be attacked by the White House press corps.
I thought the President swore to protect and defend the Constitution, not upend it.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 5:35:57am |
re: #283 HoosierHoops
Good morning Beautiful..Hope you are well this morning...
Ok crap..good morning Goddess..excuse my spelling..
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 5:36:25am |
re: #275 Spare O'Lake
Which is why our government was set up with religious values, however sereration of church and state seperates church from the state it doesn't seperate "God"(by whichever name you refer to him/her) from the state. As a matter of fact the rights mentioned in the Declaration life liberty and pursuit of happiness are derived from the Creator.
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 5:40:59am |
re: #287 3 wood
Yeah but Obama believes the Constitution is old and outdated.
In the 2001 interview, Obama said:
If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.
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aussiemagpie Sat, May 2, 2009 5:43:49am |
G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!
Erik the Red! It's all your fault! I haven't worked, washed, shaved my legs, slept in a month!
Yes Erik introduced me to a game on Facebook and I'm addicted....and it's all his fault!
Lucky for him that he's got an ocean and most of Australia between us :-)
*Just kidding* :-)
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goddessoftheclassroom Sat, May 2, 2009 5:44:04am |
re: #288 HoosierHoops
Ok crap..good morning Goddess..excuse my spelling..
TYPOS are NOT spelling mistakes! :)
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goddessoftheclassroom Sat, May 2, 2009 5:44:22am |
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 5:46:51am |
re: #293 aussiemagpie
G'day from Down Under to {everyone}!
Erik the Red! It's all your fault! I haven't worked, washed, shaved my legs, slept in a month!
Yes Erik introduced me to a game on Facebook and I'm addicted....and it's all his fault!
Lucky for him that he's got an ocean and most of Australia between us :-)
*Just kidding* :-)
Hi aussie :) I am getting ready to watch the Sharks vs The Highlanders. I hope we can get back to our winning ways today. How have you gotten so many people in you city? I need some more.
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aussiemagpie Sat, May 2, 2009 5:47:57am |
re: #295 goddessoftheclassroom
{aussiemagpie}
How are things?
Hi {goddessoftheclassroom}
All is well, thanks for asking, we're having a quiet Saturday night at home watching footy, and of course Mr Aussiemagpie +couch = Mr Asleep Aussiemagpie
So it's me and the kitties watching the footy..
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 5:48:54am |
re: #294 goddessoftheclassroom
TYPOS are NOT spelling mistakes! :)
And spelling mistakes are all typos. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 5:53:06am |
re: #290 Rustler
Yeah but Obama believes the Constitution is old and outdated.
What really strikes me in that clip, is the statement of the White House threatening to use the full force of the White House press corps to destroy the reputation of these firms.
First, if true, this is an incredible open admission of the press being biased shills and hit men for this President. Second, would explain the lack of hard questions from the adoring MSM. Third, might there not be some sort of RICO statute implications here?
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aussiemagpie Sat, May 2, 2009 5:54:01am |
re: #297 Erik The Red
Hi aussie :) I am getting ready to watch the Sharks vs The Highlanders. I hope we can get back to our winning ways today. How have you gotten so many people in you city? I need some more.
Helle {Erik} and I hope all your moving preparations are going to plan!
Yes, I'm just watching some rugby league and then I'll switch over to the rugby in a few minutes - should be a good game!
As for my city, I have been getting connections madly this week, now at 356 - the best way to get people! I'll send some your way if you want...
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 5:55:38am |
BBL Lizards. Needz to watch a real man's sport. Rugby.
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right_wing2 Sat, May 2, 2009 5:56:44am |
Well, it's moving day (part 1). My fiance' & I get to start moving bookshelves, a dresser and a desk into my small house. We're thinking of putting at least some of the bookshelves on wheels so we can get to the rest of the books. Of course, she's got all the quality furniture, so most of what I own will end up in storage until we can have a garage sale. I'm gonna miss my 17' bean bag.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 5:58:46am |
The hoopsters Saturday morning movie review...Sorry I missed last week.
I went old school this morning..Sorry no new movie this week..Well do the iron man summer block buster crap during the summer.
Touch and go (1986) A Hockey star becomes involved with an impoverished mother (drama) 2 stars
yea..Another sports movie..who would have thought it?
OK folks..you guys know I love sports movies..I could watch field of dreams or We are Marshall a million times..
This was a really great cutting edge script..The dude who is a pampered superstar athlete starts to fall in love with a Hispanic maid who is a single mother..Very enjoyable script..Cutting edge for 1986..Sound like a movie J-Lo tried to pull off? Hey J-Lo! you can't act..But you are cute..
So anyway good movie...and yes they get together in the end so it is a romantic drama.. one little problem...And I believe why this movie will always be a 2 star instead of a 3 1/2 to 4 star movie.
The main actor..The superstar Hockey player is no other than Micheal Keaton..Talk about a mis-casting..Big time...Pretty boy never once convinced me he was a hockey player...Just because the producers thought they could have him play a hockey player I'm down grading a sports movie down to 1 star...
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 5:59:49am |
re: #296 Iron Fist Aye I agree with you that Homosexual couples should have all the same basics rights as heterosexual couples. However the Term Marriage originally had religious connotations and definition. I find the fact that way back when the option of a civil union with all the same rights as mnarriages was offered it was thrown out to be evidence of this being them thumbing noses at the Straights.
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Rustler Sat, May 2, 2009 6:00:23am |
re: #301 3 wood
Yeah the connotations and precedence set by Obama in his first 100 days scare the hell outta me.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:00:57am |
re: #296 Iron Fist
I would love to see the government also get out of the Social Security business. Make laws which require certain performance points from employers and insurance compaines, sure, but the result of having that giant pot of money within the government's control has repeatedly proven to be a risk we cannot afford.
So you can see what I think of the bailouts (with the exception of the first one, the credit meltdown / liquidity halt).
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 6:02:28am |
re: #305 right_wing2
Old Emo Phillips joke
I went to the doctor the other day. Asked a man in the waiting room beside me, "Why are you here?"
He said, "Hemorrhoids."
I said, "Is that why you're sitting on that red bean bag chair?"
He said, "What red bean bag chair?"
(lose the bean bag chair.)
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:03:49am |
Morning, folks. Surfing the net, gathering my knowledge of the day. Thought I'd stop by and say hi before I have to go to work.
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right_wing2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:04:03am |
re: #287 3 wood
Very disturbing, if true.
The Obamessiah's comment "It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf." shows he doesn't understand the PURPOSE of the Constitution. The Constitution was designed as a way to LIMIT the power of government, NOT to EXPAND it's power.
Good God. We Are SO Screwed. (WASS)
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:05:00am |
re: #311 vxbush
Morning, folks. Surfing the net, gathering my knowledge of the day. Thought I'd stop by and say hi before I have to go to work.
You gotta work on Saturday! Bummer..I'm off for 3 days and this is a HUGE sports Day..
Hope you have a wonderful day...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sat, May 2, 2009 6:05:06am |
Saturday is still a workday! Bye y'all!
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right_wing2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:05:27am |
re: #310 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Yeah, but it's so COMFORTABLE! Of course, as I'm getting older (and fatter), it's getting harder & harder to get out of.
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right_wing2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:06:30am |
re: #312 right_wing2
Very disturbing, if true.
The Obamessiah's comment "It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf." shows he doesn't understand the PURPOSE of the Constitution. The Constitution was designed as a way to LIMIT the power of government, NOT to EXPAND
it'sits power.Good God. We Are SO Screwed. (WASS)
D'OH!
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:07:34am |
re: #313 HoosierHoops
You gotta work on Saturday! Bummer..I'm off for 3 days and this is a HUGE sports Day..
Hope you have a wonderful day...
Yes, it's annoying and frustrating, but necessary as I'm taking extra time off next weekend--and certain things *must* be done if I'm going to do that.
But there's a bonus: I get to stop by an open house where there will be Tupperware! And believe it or not, I need some. I've had to throw some stuff away and I could use some new storage containers.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:10:56am |
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:13:17am |
re: #318 vxbush
Yes, it's annoying and frustrating, but necessary as I'm taking extra time off next weekend--and certain things *must* be done if I'm going to do that.
But there's a bonus: I get to stop by an open house where there will be Tupperware! And believe it or not, I need some. I've had to throw some stuff away and I could use some new storage containers.
Sounds great! You won't believe this crap..Friday..2 pm..things are going sweet..I've got music blasting in the headphones..I'm reading LGF and cruising the GWAN when half of the whole friggin network crashes..
That was my Friday afternoon..Logging into to Routers world wide trying to figure out what the hell just happened...
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:13:18am |
re: #307 Rustler
Aye I agree with you that Homosexual couples should have all the same basics rights as heterosexual couples. However the Term Marriage originally had religious connotations and definition. I find the fact that way back when the option of a civil union with all the same rights as mnarriages was offered it was thrown out to be evidence of this being them thumbing noses at the Straights.
Agreed. Like HAMAS getting everything they had asked for and more, but turning it down because the real goal was not met: the Destruction of Israel.
Note for the dense: I am not comparing Andrew Sullivan to Yasser Arafat (although I suppose that to the left, that would be an insult to Arafat, huh?), just something in the refusal to accept an improvement in one's position because it does not also wound the other party.
If the government gets out of the straight marriage business, then it is also conveniently out of the gay marriage business. Let's draw a line between what churches do and what the government must recognize. You can be church married all you want, but if you want legal benefits and encumbrabces, then incorporate under a separate, government-concerned set of laws. Or you can simply incorporate, and not be married in the eyes of the Lord, as they say. You will always find an institute of religion which is seasoned to your taste with the presence or absence of actual religion.
It seems to me that the biggest legitimate problem is the full faith clause, by which a couple married in one state should certainly enjoy the legal benefits of marriage in another. The less the goverenment has to do with the whole thing, the less this is a problem.
I won't hold out for ideologically perfect, mind-bendingly simple, elegant one-size fits all solution to this, but would rather see a pretty good solution which requires some tweaking along the way. It would certainly be better than what we have now, and would allow conservatism *and* progressivism to get their boundaries a little better-defined. Theres an odd spiral at the four-courners border of federalism, centralilsm, conservatism, and progressivism, which is mind-bending enough on its own. Voters and legislators alike often get lost in there and come out the wrong door.
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:13:23am |
re: #319 Van Helsing
Which is what makes him CRBBHO.
What he wants to do is not American. As the Constitution defines it.
And yet, no one is filing lawsuits again his actions; no one is doing anything to stop him. Interesting. He seems to have the backing of legislative branch, and no one in business is attempting to prevent his actions except in meetings behind doors.
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:14:38am |
re: #320 HoosierHoops
Sounds great! You won't believe this crap..Friday..2 pm..things are going sweet..I've got music blasting in the headphones..I'm reading LGF and cruising the GWAN when half of the whole friggin network crashes..
That was my Friday afternoon..Logging into to Routers world wide trying to figure out what the hell just happened...
Whoa! Someone patch into it for a radio antenna?
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:16:56am |
re: #320 HoosierHoops
Sounds great! You won't believe this crap..Friday..2 pm..things are going sweet..I've got music blasting in the headphones..I'm reading LGF and cruising the GWAN when half of the whole friggin network crashes..
That was my Friday afternoon..Logging into to Routers world wide trying to figure out what the hell just happened...
What do you do? What, er, sector is your employer in? Sometimes I'm a "System Administrator", but I shun windows work and instead make databases.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:16:57am |
Mornin' all! FNC has the Magnificent Bastard Rove on. The one in 100 days has had 44 hours of press coverage 53% positive, Klintoon had 40, with 44% positive, GWB had less than 20 hours with 34% positive. Nah, the msm is fair and balanced!///Rove is going to talk about Jindal and some others who want to take the repubs in a new 'direction'. Gaaah.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:19:22am |
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (64 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) but heavy T-Storms predicted for today, Charlotte!
How are y'all doing today?
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:19:48am |
re: #323 vxbush
Whoa! Someone patch into it for a radio antenna?
Of course, given the size of some networks these days, you could pick up radio signals from Alpha Centauri...
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:20:59am |
re: #324 haakondahl
What do you do? What, er, sector is your employer in? Sometimes I'm a "System Administrator", but I shun windows work and instead make databases.
Cool...I Admin The one of the biggest GWAN's in the world..
Our team is about 240 admins..
I'm also big into Dbases..Nice meeting you
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:21:03am |
re: #327 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (64 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) but heavy T-Storms predicted for today, Charlotte!
How are y'all doing today?
Morning, real! I hope you're well. I'm putting off going to work, but it's a necessary evil today. BTW: I have half a mind to jump on a plane and fly over to your place and fix your computer. I think I know what's wrong, but it's not something that's easily fixed halfway across the country.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:21:16am |
Hello RW, The better half is wigging out. The big Apple Blossom Parade kicks off in 4 hours and her drill team totally fubared the rehersal yesterday! She's been up since 5am pdt!
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 6:21:21am |
re: #327 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (64 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) but heavy T-Storms predicted for today, Charlotte!
How are y'all doing today?
Morning rw. How is Dusty doing?
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:21:55am |
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:22:04am |
re: #322 vxbush
Why is that?
I can see challenges to the current administration. Is it just my imagination? I suppose the laws have to be challenged before ...
Sorry. Major enlightenment. It's not so much laws as it is regulations which don't any scrutiny....
This requires thought....
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:22:13am |
re: #331 pingjockey
Hello RW, The better half is wigging out. The big Apple Blossom Parade kicks off in 4 hours and her drill team totally fubared the rehersal yesterday! She's been up since 5am pdt!
Oh, dear. That will cause stress, as will all those teenage hormones....
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:22:48am |
re: #327 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (64 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) but heavy T-Storms predicted for today, Charlotte!
How are y'all doing today?
Good morning RealWest..Did you read my weekly movie review upthread?
Hope today finds you well
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:23:14am |
re: #309 haakondahl
I would love to see the government also get out of the Social Security business. Make laws which require certain performance points from employers and insurance compaines, sure, but the result of having that giant pot of money within the government's control has repeatedly proven to be a risk we cannot afford.
The problem we have though, is that giant pot of money is gone. Spent. Replaced with IOU's.
The "plan" was to handle the SS cost via cash flow,with hopefully growing tax revenues from a hopefully growing economy.
Now overlay that with the reality of Obama's massive deficits (and budget assumption of a GDP growing at 4% annually), and the punishment of high income people via jumping the income and capital gains tax rates.
The numbers just don't work.
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 6:23:38am |
re: #333 HoosierHoops
I think the service is going to be Sunday
Thanks I will say a few words to the BIG GUY in mass tomorrow.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:23:42am |
re: #330 vxbush
Hi {vxbush} - no need to fly out (although you're always welcome!) cause I fixed it myself by figuring out (with help from Kosh's Shadow) how to uninstall IE 8 and go back to IE 7! That's all it was.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:24:22am |
re: #336 vxbush
Oh yeah! Me and the 9 yr old are going to watch the rc planes instead of the parade!
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:24:43am |
re: #335 Van Helsing
Why is that?
I can see challenges to the current administration. Is it just my imagination? I suppose the laws have to be challenged before ...Sorry. Major enlightenment. It's not so much laws as it is regulations which don't any scrutiny....
This requires thought....
The impression I get--and which is strengthened by 3 wood's article above on the Chrysler bailout--is that Obama is the MSM's president and that he can tell them who to go after. And they will. They will chew up anyone he says to go after, and they will dig up dirt until that person caves. It seems that the threat of that kind of negative coverage is enough to make most people toe the line.
That, or there ARE lawsuits going forward and the media is very carefully not mentioning those legal actions.
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 6:24:44am |
re: #342 realwest
Hi {vxbush} - no need to fly out (although you're always welcome!) cause I fixed it myself by figuring out (with help from Kosh's Shadow) how to uninstall IE 8 and go back to IE 7! That's all it was.
GET FIREFOX NOW.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:25:27am |
HEY PARENTS! Your spoiled little shits do not need to go hundreds of miles to go on spring break!
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:25:40am |
re: #331 pingjockey Hey ping! Sorry to hear about the Drill Team but they'll hopefully make up for yesterday with their performance today!
How are YOU doing? Was Master Rove masterful as always?
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:26:05am |
re: #342 realwest
Hi {vxbush} - no need to fly out (although you're always welcome!) cause I fixed it myself by figuring out (with help from Kosh's Shadow) how to uninstall IE 8 and go back to IE 7! That's all it was.
Well, good! Of course, you miss the opportunity to engage in witty repartee, so you'll just have to deal with that remotely. :D
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:26:07am |
re: #305 right_wing2
Of course, she's got all the quality furniture, so most of what I own will end up in storage until we can have a garage sale. I'm gonna miss my 17' bean bag.
Take the advice of an old married man (26 years this June), save yourself the cost of the storage and throw out your old stuff now. She will never let it back in the house and you will not get as much for it at a garage sale as the storage will cost.
Been there.
Done it.
Got the tee shirt.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:27:16am |
re: #332 Erik The Red
Morning Erik - last I heard he's doing ok, funeral is tomorrow so I've sorta left him alone - he knows to e-mail or call me (collect if he wants or needs to) but I think he'd rather be with what there is of his family now.
How are you doing today?
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:27:52am |
re: #347 realwest
We're fine! I have the interview next Friday! Rove really didn't go into specifics about some of the meetings the repub leadership is having. After seeing that stuff the OK repub party has in its plank I'm worried the rest of the leadership wants to jump off the same cliff.
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:28:23am |
re: #312 right_wing2
The Constitution was designed as a way to LIMIT the power of government, NOT to EXPAND it's power.Good God. We Are SO Screwed. (WASS)
I think he see's the Constitution as something to blow your nose on. As will be proven by this moonbat judge he appoints.
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 6:28:39am |
Harlow was fixing a door and he found that he needed a new hinge, so he sent
his wife Mary to the hardware store.
At the hardware store, Mary saw a beautiful teapot on a top shelf while she
was waiting for Carl, the manager, to finish waiting on a customer.
When Carl was finished, Mary asked "How much for the teapot?" Carl replied,
"That's silver and it costs $100!" "My goodness, that sure is a lotta
money!" Mary exclaimed.
Then she proceeded to describe the hinge that Harlow had sent her to buy,
and Carl went to the back room to find it. From the back room Carl yelled,
"Mary , you wanna screw for that hinge?"'
Mary replied, "No, but I will for the teapot."
This is why you don't send a woman to a hardware store
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:28:45am |
re: #337 HoosierHoops
Hey Hoops - well, I've been better, but whereabout is your movie review up thread? And more importantly, how the heck are you doing today?
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:29:12am |
re: #352 3 wood
I think he see's the Constitution as something to blow your nose on. As will be proven by this moonbat judge he appoints.
Yup. Almost a given. By the way, good morning, 3 wood. I hope you're well today. Are you going out to play anytime soon? You haven't mentioned your playing gigs in a while.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:29:34am |
re: #338 goddessoftheclassroom Hey, good morning {goddess} - I sure hope you're doing well today!?
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:29:54am |
re: #344 vxbush
The impression I get--and which is strengthened by 3 wood's article above on the Chrysler bailout--is that Obama is the MSM's president and that he can tell them who to go after. And they will. They will chew up anyone he says to go after, and they will dig up dirt until that person caves. It seems that the threat of that kind of negative coverage is enough to make most people toe the line.
That, or there ARE lawsuits going forward and the media is very carefully not mentioning those legal actions.
I've got a real bad feeling about this.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:30:38am |
re: #352 3 wood
This is what I was afraid of when the one got in office. 3 old libs on scotus and now obambi gets to appoint even far leftier(?) judges.
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aussiemagpie Sat, May 2, 2009 6:31:55am |
re: #327 realwest
Good morning y'all - from a moderate (64 degrees, going up to 79 degrees) but heavy T-Storms predicted for today, Charlotte!
How are y'all doing today?
*SMOOCH* darls :-) I'm watching the rugby, and so is Erik the Red, his team is pplaying and winning nicely :-)
We're having lovely warm weather again, and no heaters needed tonight as yet !
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:31:56am |
re: #356 taxfreekiller
tfk, you are right and I dearly pray these people come out and vote!
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:31:59am |
re: #359 pingjockey
This is what I was afraid of when the one got in office. 3 old libs on scotus and now obambi gets to appoint even far leftier(?) judges.
Friggin' commie rat bastard is not going to anoint someone most here will like.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:32:34am |
re: #340 3 wood Good morning my friend - I didn and replied to you before jumping on this DT today! YOU have mail! LOL!
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:32:35am |
re: #325 pingjockey
Nah, the msm is fair and balanced!///Rove is going to talk about Jindal and some others who want to take the repubs in a new 'direction'. Gaaah.
If you really want to get PO'd at the MSM go up to my #287 and click on the sound clip I linked about a bankruptcy lawyer named Tom Lauria and what he say's the White House is threatening his clients with.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:33:54am |
re: #366 3 wood
I don't need my bp up at 6:30 pdt! I'll check it later. Thanks.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:33:59am |
re: #345 Erik The Red
I've used FIREFOX and I don't like it, thankewverymuch!
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:34:57am |
re: #346 pingjockey
HEY PARENTS! Your spoiled little shits do not need to go hundreds of miles to go on spring break!
My spring breaks consisted of going several blocks to work at a local greasy spoon for all the hours I could get or doing yard work around the neighborhood for cash
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:35:39am |
re: #368 pingjockey
I don't need my bp up at 6:30 pdt! I'll check it later. Thanks.
Aww, that's one of my few joy's in life :)
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:35:57am |
re: #371 3 wood
Mine consisted of floating around the Persian Gulf while Jimmah dithered about the hostages!
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Kenneth Sat, May 2, 2009 6:36:10am |
Good morning folks!
In keeping with the original Goofy theme of the thread...
Why did Mickey Mouse dump Mini Mouse?
Because she was f*cking Goofy.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:36:12am |
re: #354 realwest
Hey Hoops - well, I've been better, but whereabout is your movie review up thread? And more importantly, how the heck are you doing today?
Good morning..It is a beautiful day..Winston is having a blast playing outside..
My weekly movie review is #306 today..
Hope today finds you well
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:36:30am |
3 wood--
no answer to my 355? Or are you just not awake enough? :D
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freetoken Sat, May 2, 2009 6:36:32am |
re: #351 pingjockey
Rove really didn't go into specifics about some of the meetings the repub leadership is having. After seeing that stuff the OK repub party has in its plank I'm worried the rest of the leadership wants to jump off the same cliff.
The question is... and the answer will become evident over the next three years... how much will the grassroots (poll workers) Republicans, a majority of which (in many states) may fall into the same ideological camp as those in OK who wrote their platform(s), try to push the elites in the GOP to conform to the more populist (and likely religious) views, versus the often elitist positions espoused by those who are the senior Washington types.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:37:40am |
re: #351 pingjockeyNext Friday? WHOO-HOO! Way to go my friend - I told you that you'd get the job, didn't I? I know, I know, it's just an interview but it means you got past the phone interview and I have NO DOUBT AT ALL that they're gonna love you in that interview!
Way to go my friend!
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:37:57am |
re: #349 3 wood
...throw out your old stuff now. She will never let it back in the house and you will not get as much for it at a garage sale as the storage will cost.
Been there.
Done it.
Got the tee shirt.
Truer words were never spoken. Except for the obvious lie about the T-shirt. She wouldn't let that in the house either.
Throw your old crap away, and it will go about ninety-seven kerjillion miles toward SHOWING that you are committed. More important than having a job, sex, or even a wedding to her sense of your commitment is your willingness to write off some old junk.
Trust me.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:38:10am |
re: #372 3 wood
That sounds like the mafia not the WH! Is this how they do stuff in Chicago?
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:38:50am |
re: #373 pingjockey
Mine consisted of floating around the Persian Gulf while Jimmah dithered about the hostages!
That was madness.
Day XXX of the hostage crisis...
Carter (whom I voted for) was such a damn o2 thief.
Listening to Steppenwolf.. The Wall...
And every EVERY damn time i hear it I tear up.
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:39:08am |
re: #355 vxbush
Yup. Almost a given. By the way, good morning, 3 wood. I hope you're well today. Are you going out to play anytime soon? You haven't mentioned your playing gigs in a while.
Yes, I was so busy with my teaching schedule that I got sidetracked. Been playing a lot lately at private gigs, plus there's a bookstore by a grocery store I'm sure you are familiar with who has used us a bit as their standard back ground music when they have authors in doing book signings.
I will be gone most of next week playing at a music festival in Cumberland Gap. Can't wait.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:39:56am |
re: #379 realwest
Thank you so much. The household, y'all here have kept my positive thoughts on the straight and narrow over this. I can do the job, it's just me being nervous about the interview!
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:41:08am |
re: #373 pingjockey
Mine consisted of floating around the Persian Gulf while Jimmah dithered about the hostages!
I was there nine years later when under President Reagan, we sank half of Iran's Navy. Just celebrated the 21st anniversary of Operation Praying Mantis.
Then, as now, the Iranian sailors were brave and disciplined. Unlike now, we sank them.
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:41:20am |
re: #358 Van Helsing
re: #344 vxbushThe impression I get--and which is strengthened by 3 wood's article above on the Chrysler bailout--is that Obama is the MSM's president and that he can tell them who to go after. And they will. They will chew up anyone he says to go after, and they will dig up dirt until that person caves. It seems that the threat of that kind of negative coverage is enough to make most people toe the line.
That, or there ARE lawsuits going forward and the media is very carefully not mentioning those legal actions.
I've got a real bad feeling about this.
The word PRAVDA keeps coming to mind.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:41:30am |
re: #382 Van Helsing
And the song has a clip from the speech... I don't think JFK worked off a Teleprompter U-237.
Sorry. I despise our president.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:41:54am |
re: #378 freetoken
We have to, damn I can't articulate what I want to say. The elitists are out of touch and if we go the way the OK folks did we can throw out a whole lot of the middle and Zell Miller type dems we could pick up.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:41:59am |
re: #359 pingjockey
This is what I was afraid of when the one got in office. 3 old libs on scotus and now obambi gets to appoint even far leftier(?) judges.
I'm more afraid of one of the conservatives leaving in the next 4 years. Trading one lib for another does nothing as far as the balance of the court goes, but losing a Thomas and replacing him with Bill or Hillary or worse gives me nightsweats
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vxbush Sat, May 2, 2009 6:42:43am |
re: #383 3 wood
Yes, I was so busy with my teaching schedule that I got sidetracked. Been playing a lot lately at private gigs, plus there's a bookstore by a grocery store I'm sure you are familiar with who has used us a bit as their standard back ground music when they have authors in doing book signings.
I will be gone most of next week playing at a music festival in Cumberland Gap. Can't wait.
Oh, excellent! Yes, I know the bookstore, and that seems like a nice little side business. I was there a few weeks ago with a friend and happened to be there during some author's gig, but I don't recall hearing any music that day. Otherwise, I would have find out! :D
Good luck at the festival, and have fun. The son is finally yelling at us, so we need to get him up--and that's my cue to get myself ready, once he's eating breakfast.
Later, everyone!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:43:06am |
re: #385 haakondahl
I actually felt sorry for those guys. Like shooting fish in a barrel.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:44:31am |
re: #356 taxfreekiller
Good morning TFK! From your lips to God's ears my friend.
I'm afraid too many Americans just don't pay attention to poitics. That's why the Left has continuously put down the Tea Parties - they are afraid of the "silent majority" who, once the Bush tax cuts lapse, once the new taxes (including, I'm convinced, removal of the cap on earnings subject to Social Security payments, the true cost of Cap and Trade, that the Tea Parties this year will look like a typical "day at the beach in January".
HEY, how are you doing my friend?
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:45:40am |
re: #381 pingjockey
That sounds like the mafia not the WH! Is this how they do stuff in Chicago?
That is exactly how the Chicago media works. They are extensions of the Democratic Machine.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:46:24am |
re: #361 aussiemagpie
Hey there {aussie} *smooches* back to you! Glad Erik's team is playing well - how's your team doing?
And of far more importance, how are you doing and how is Julie doing?
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:46:32am |
re: #394 taxfreekiller
I know that movie! 12 O'Clock High(?) I can't think of the name. We had to watch it for a leadership class when I made E-6 and critque Gregory Pecks leadership qualities.
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haakondahl Sat, May 2, 2009 6:47:02am |
re: #388 pingjockey
We have to, damn I can't articulate what I want to say. The elitists are out of touch and if we go the way the OK folks did we can throw out a whole lot of the middle and Zell Miller type dems we could pick up.
Need to motivate the center-right GOTV. This is, of course, difficult.
Hugh Hewitt should (probably will) update his "Paint the Map Red". Hmm. I should go download some podcasts--it has been a long time.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:47:24am |
re: #393 pingjockey
That is a scary thought.
Expect Ginsburgh to leave within the next year or so. Again, a zero sum game, trading one libber for another
PRAY that conservatives have 4-8 years left in them!
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:48:08am |
re: #399 pingjockey
I know that movie! 12 O'Clock High(?) I can't think of the name. We had to watch it for a leadership class when I made E-6 and critque Gregory Pecks leadership qualities.
I know there was a TV series 1200 high with peck...
Movie? I dunno.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:48:54am |
re: #394 taxfreekiller
BTW it was the squadron adjutant who went back. The guy that was the lawyer in civilian life and jiggered all the transfer requests so Peck had time to get the squadron squared away.
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A Man for all Seasons Sat, May 2, 2009 6:49:29am |
re: #399 pingjockey
I know that movie! 12 O'Clock High(?) I can't think of the name. We had to watch it for a leadership class when I made E-6 and critque Gregory Pecks leadership qualities.
That's what I was going to say..I've always loved the movie the Memphis Belle..
oh Danny boy
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:49:36am |
re: #402 Van Helsing
I can't think of the movies name. I AM old enough to remember the tv show though!
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3 wood Sat, May 2, 2009 6:49:40am |
re: #401 sattv4u2
Expect Ginsburgh to leave within the next year or so. Again, a zero sum game, trading one libber for another
PRAY that conservatives have 4-8 years left in them!
I'm not an attorney, but from what I've been told even if they lose a vote, their wacked out written opinions will then be used as the basis for even further bizarre law suits until they finally get their way.
They are rigging the game, in other words.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 6:51:58am |
In general boys and girls, we're screwed.
It's Cook County politics and we're not equipped to deal with it.
On their terms.
When it gets down to OUR terms it is going to hurt.
a whole lot.
I'm taking my morose ass to bad.
Another day, lizards.
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sattv4u2 Sat, May 2, 2009 6:52:00am |
re: #406 3 wood
I'm not an attorney, but from what I've been told even if they lose a vote, their wacked out written opinions will then be used as the basis for even further bizarre law suits until they finally get their way.
They are rigging the game, in other words.
That is true, but the "defendant" in a case involving those "whacked opinions" always has the hammer that "even though judge such and such wrote that in the dissenting opinion, the COURT ruled otherwise. So it's a double edge sword to use a losing argument as a basis for a lawsuit
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:52:19am |
re: #366 3 wood
Hey 3 wood - for some reason it won't play for me (and I have the latest version of Windows Media Player!) do you know if there's a transcript anywhere?
I'm not surprised that Obama would threaten the creditors with the WH Press Corps - but he'll never do it, NEVER.
For one thing it means they'd have less time to spend on worshipping him!
BTW, did you receive my e-mail?!
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aussiemagpie Sat, May 2, 2009 6:53:20am |
re: #398 realwest
Hey there {aussie} *smooches* back to you! Glad Erik's team is playing well - how's your team doing?
And of far more importance, how are you doing and how is Julie doing?
{realwest} Julie is much better, I'm really relieved and so is she that there was no hospital visit this time :-)
LOL! It's just Erik's home team, and they're playing a team from NZ the Highlanders, and this ream has now snuck back and it's a close game :-)
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 6:55:07am |
Good morning. I read this morning that the judge in the AIPAC case imposed the burden on the prosecution that they had to prove intent to harm the U.S.
This seems like an unreasonable burden & that reckless disregard should have been enough, kind of like running a red light not meaning to hit a predestrian, but ignoring the possibility.
I wonder why the government didn't try to venue away from that judge?
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 6:57:19am |
Good morning, lizards.
I missed another great Friday evening thread, I see.
I'm gratified to see that Charles is finally taking on some of the vile commentary over at Malkins' in his mission to expose extremism on the right... thank goodness. That place is a cesspool.
I'm trying very hard to find reasons to continue linking to Hot Air, but I'm running out of 'em and I fear that the days are growing short.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:57:48am |
re: #416 opnion
Is this the spying case? I'm not a judge, nor did I stay in a Holiday inn, but reckless disregard should be enough?!
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BignJames Sat, May 2, 2009 6:58:49am |
re: #402 Van Helsing
I know there was a TV series 1200 high with peck...
Movie? I dunno.
Thought Robert Stack was in the series....Peck in the movie?
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 6:59:46am |
re: #375 HoosierHoops
Whoa, Hoops, a little tough there on ole Michael Keaton aren't you (btw, what ever happened to him?) he was no "pretty boy" and iirc he did play hockey all the way from whatever you call hockey little league through high School!
I'm doing ok, been better, been worse. Sure do hope Dusty is holding up ok though.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 6:59:59am |
re: #418 taxfreekiller
The Black Sheep squadron was Pappy Boyington in the Pacific Theatre. It was a Marine Fighter squadron. I saw a show on the history channel, when the B-17 was built it was faster! than most of the USAAFs fighters.
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Mich-again Sat, May 2, 2009 7:01:06am |
In Germany the far-left is called the anti-far-right. But I give the anarchists some credit for the sign. No Farking Nazis
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 7:02:39am |
re: #419 pingjockey
Is this the spying case? I'm not a judge, nor did I stay in a Holiday inn, but reckless disregard should be enough?!
Yes this is the spying case. I have never heard of the standard of proof being imposed before. It goes to the state of mind of the defendants, which is a tough row to hoe.
At the Risk of sounding like a cynic, I wonder if the involvement of Congresswoman, Jane Harmon had anything to do with the effort to make this thing go away.
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Van Helsing Sat, May 2, 2009 7:02:52am |
I'm taking my morose ass to bed.
Sheesh. Can't edit no more....
Use wiki 12 o clock
Even THEY aren't likely to screw this up.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:03:14am |
re: #384 pingjockey
I understand that you're nervous my friend but hey, you were in the military - the interview is a cakewalk - I have NO DOUBTS that you'll do well and that you'll get the job.
Just remember - this is just a part of Life, not Life itself!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:07:50am |
re: #427 realwest
Oh yeah RW. It just that being a trained tech and what I'm doing now just sucks. But, it is a job and right now that is a large plus. It is pregame jitters is all. I get up to bat and the butterflies will be gone!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:09:11am |
For you sports nuts, today is massive. Kentucky Derby, Game 7 Bulls/Celtics, Sprint Cup race tonight.
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:09:54am |
Deal would prevent split Boeing-Northrop tanker contract
White House officials and Democratic congressional leaders have staved off a plan to divide new aerial refueling tankers between Boeing and a team made up of Northrop Grumman and Airbus parent European Aeronautic Defense and Space (EADS). But some C-17 cargo planes and F/A-18 fighters may be added back.
Let's buy some damn tankers already. The newest KC-135 is over 40 years old. Out global power projection is tanker dependent.
Those [deleteds] on the Hill are playing politics with National Security.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, May 2, 2009 7:10:01am |
re: #287 3 wood
During the interview, Lauria says that one of his clients was threatened by the White House to either accept the deal or else be attacked by the White House press corps.
I thought the President swore to protect and defend the Constitution, not upend it.
Par for the course. Par for the course. Obama is what I have said all along, a product of the Cook County Democratic Organization. They operate as does the mafia, making the Chicago Outfit subservient to them. Watch for more of this type of intimidation bullshit over the next four years. He's gonna try to make offers we can't refuse.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:10:07am |
re: #417 Irish Rose
Just dump them. Ed showed yesterday he can't even read.
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Honorary Yooper Sat, May 2, 2009 7:11:02am |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Just dump them. Ed showed yesterday he can't even read.
I've been ignoring them for a while now. There really isn't much there I can't find in the spinoff links here.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:12:42am |
re: #394 taxfreekiller
Ah geez TFK - I'm always nice - especially to the spouses of my friends out here.
I wish I could remember the movie, but the only air force type movie I remember well was Twelve O'Clock High - is that it?
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:12:56am |
re: #433 Honorary Yooper
I'm registered over there and have posted something twice, IIRC. That's how much I think of that place.
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:13:12am |
re: #435 taxfreekiller
Ms tfk is mo-great,
been that way from the day she fluffed my pillow on the way back from VC land, she was a looker then , is a looker now, and still fluffs the pillows and she likes to dance, likes to honky tonk, likes to take care of her own guns and stuff she acquired on her own, she and I have the same mind set, if we can not do it on our own, we do not do it,we take nothing off any one,
we made every dime we have ourselves
no family $, we donate any that comes from parents or grand parents to good things, or back into the till for later generations,TFK ... you one lucky man ... Good Morning Lizards ...
ps
she wears WWII fighter pilot sun glasses every where she goes,,,nice effect
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 7:13:37am |
re: #431 Honorary Yooper
Par for the course. Par for the course. Obama is what I have said all along, a product of the Cook County Democratic Organization. They operate as does the mafia, making the Chicago Outfit subservient to them. Watch for more of this type of intimidation bullshit over the next four years. He's gonna try to make offers we can't refuse.
This White House likes to publicly attack those that they see as enemies, Limbaugh, Hannity & hedge fund managers. BHO even mocked the Tea Party people. It seems very childish & an attempt to chill dissent.
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:14:28am |
re: #435 taxfreekiller
Guess it is too early for my posting skills (which are low anyway) ...
meant to say ...
TFK ... you are one lucky man ... Good Morning Lizards ...
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rain of lead Sat, May 2, 2009 7:16:56am |
re: #438 JacksonTn
Hey JT!
mornin, did you get those cookies made?
gonna be at the shop this afternoon?
me and the momcat are gonna come by after the scout meeting.
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:17:14am |
re: #439 opnion
This White House likes to publicly attack those that they see as enemies, Limbaugh, Hannity & hedge fund managers. BHO even mocked the Tea Party people. It seems very childish & an attempt to chill dissent.
Op ... yes, because you are not one of the "cool" kids in school .. if you are not a part of his group ... this administration is like junior high ...
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:17:55am |
re: #442 taxfreekiller
I love that description..."evil 2 party money cult" very true description.
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:18:04am |
re: #434 pingjockey
Why do we want to give Airbus DoD contracts?
I don't but this is getting out of hand. I don't want parts supplies for the tanker fleet depended on the Euros.
They changed the specs after Boeing submitted, and have been yanking this process around for years.
Any time now we're going start losing -135's from fatigue issues. If that starts happening I hope Congressional malfeasance is listed as the primary cause.
We should have had new tankers 10 years ago.
Congress needs to pull it's head out and order some damn planes, or people are going start dying
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:18:26am |
re: #443 rain of lead
Hey JT!
mornin, did you get those cookies made?
gonna be at the shop this afternoon?
me and the momcat are gonna come by after the scout meeting.
RoL ... call me when you come to town ... I will be around this afternoon ... yeah was up late and early this morning ...
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:19:58am |
Hey, I have a good investment if anyone is interested. I am going to set up an anti-social networking site called "MyVirus" which will be sort of a Facebook for H1N1 virus sufferers.
This should really take off, considering the hype and the world wide panic that has ensued.
I just need some seed money.
Any takers?
/
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:20:11am |
re: #446 jcm
I know you don't, I meant we as in congress. Having to depend on the EU for parts is double plus ungood. Those folks have a tendency to go on strike at bad times.
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rain of lead Sat, May 2, 2009 7:20:24am |
re: #447 JacksonTn
cool will do
momcat says she will need her afternoon dose of coffee by then
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:21:06am |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
Hey, I have a good investment if anyone is interested. I am going to set up an anti-social networking site called "MyVirus" which will be sort of a Facebook for H1N1 virus sufferers.
This should really take off, considering the hype and the world wide panic that has ensued.
I just need some seed money.
Any takers?
/
Walter ... I think this would be a good opportunity for you and Avanti to get together ... I am sure he would give you some of his Studebaker money ...
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:21:35am |
re: #449 pingjockey
I know you don't, I meant we as in congress. Having to depend on the EU for parts is double plus ungood. Those folks have a tendency to go on strike at bad times.
It so symptomatic of the whole major procurement process. Major systems are held hostage by congress handing out goodies and our troops get the short stinky end of the stick.
*spit*
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:22:10am |
re: #451 JacksonTn
What? Avanti has Studebaker money? Is it a bailout from the one?!
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 7:22:15am |
re: #444 JacksonTn
Op ... yes, because you are not one of the "cool" kids in school .. if you are not a part of his group ... this administration is like junior high ...
That's a good analogy, except that I get the feeling that Barry saw himself as an outsider as a kid. He also has to have abandonment issues & I think that he is looking for payback.
I know all of that with just one Psych course, so I may be way off.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:22:54am |
re: #452 jcm
IIRC, it has been that way since the Civil War! It is a crock of shit.
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:23:42am |
re: #453 pingjockey
What? Avanti has Studebaker money? Is it a bailout from the one?!
Studebaker Bailout, no back then they let a crappy car company die a natural death.
*and I'm a Mopar guy*
| 457 |
Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, May 2, 2009 7:23:53am |
Harry's Place: LGF on Wilders
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
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songbird Sat, May 2, 2009 7:24:00am |
So, has the 1.5 billion additional requested by the Big O been spent already? I really want to know why it was not skimmed from the pork from the stiumulus bill.
Anyways, good morning, Lizards!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:24:12am |
re: #451 JacksonTn
Walter ... I think this would be a good opportunity for you and Avanti to get together ... I am sure he would give you some of his Studebaker money ...
You really know how to kill a laugh, don't you? :)
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:24:36am |
re: #457 Jimmah
Harry's Place: LGF on Wilders
[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]
I was just reading that in the spinoffs, and I have to laugh at the person over there bitching about my nic.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:24:51am |
re: #456 jcm
This whole mess in Detroit and the money thrown at it is madness.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:24:54am |
re: #432 Sharmuta
Just dump them. Ed showed yesterday he can't even read.
I dumped Michelle a long time ago.
I'm trying to give Allah a break because he doesn't seem to have any control over his unruly comment section. But I admit that I'm increasingly disturbed about the way that he allows people there to trash Charles relentlessly. It's disturbing and it makes me think that he might be in agreement with his commentors.
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songbird Sat, May 2, 2009 7:25:34am |
re: #458 songbird
So, has the 1.5 billion additional requested by the Big O been spent already? I really want to know why it was not skimmed from the pork from the stiumulus bill.
Anyways, good morning, Lizards!
Referring to the monies requested for the Swine, oops H1N1 flu, pandemic.
Geez....I need that morning coffee!
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 7:25:41am |
I can see it now. MyVirus. Major shareholders Walter and Avanti. A match made in heaven.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:25:58am |
re: #462 Irish Rose
Good morning Rose! How are you doing today?
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:26:23am |
re: #460 Sharmuta
I was just reading that in the spinoffs, and I have to laugh at the person over there bitching about my nic.
I saw that earlier this morning.
You sure are a popular target ;).
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:26:24am |
re: #462 Irish Rose
I have to wonder how much his hands are tied since it's a group run blog. Part of me wishes he'd leave hot air and strike out on his own.
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 7:26:56am |
re: #462 Irish Rose
Morning IR. Blogging in the nic this am?
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:27:06am |
re: #467 Irish Rose
I saw that earlier this morning.
You sure are a popular target ;).
Perhaps I've struck a nerve?
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:28:22am |
re: #455 pingjockey
IIRC, it has been that way since the Civil War! It is a crock of shit.
To true, to true.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:28:32am |
re: #468 Sharmuta
Hi Sharm! Good morning to you!
I haven't really been keeping a scorecard cause the only blogs I visit on a regular basis are LGF, A Blog For All (lawhawk's blog) and Jammiewearingfool, but which center or "center right" blogs do you think are still ok?
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:29:10am |
re: #466 realwest
Good morning Rose! How are you doing today?
Not too bad, thanks for asking.
Talked to my son last night and he hasn't been deployed yet.... he's somewhat frustrated with the waiting, but this is the way that it goes sometimes. If they still haven't sent him out by next month, he's going to try and schedule some leave time.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:29:30am |
re: #460 Sharmuta
I was just reading that in the spinoffs, and I have to laugh at the person over there bitching about my nic.
So, that person thinks that LFG is a Islam lovers site? It just shows you how the comprehension skills of some people just plain old stink.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:02am |
re: #465 pingjockey
Some one doesn't like your nic? WTF?
Yeah- someone is trying to claim that Charles is a hater because of my nic. Thing is- the radical islamists would most certainly consider me a sharmuta. That's why I figured I'd just embrace such a term for myself.
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avanti Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:05am |
re: #453 pingjockey
What? Avanti has Studebaker money? Is it a bailout from the one?!
Morning all. Other then my retirement checks, all I have is Studebaker money. I sell one or two a month. BHO stimulus bill just messed with me a bit. They are going to level the last of the factory buildings in the Studebaker corridor in South Bend with stimulus money to build a nano- technology center. Sad to see the last of the Studebaker buildings go.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:13am |
re: #464 Erik The Red
I can see it now. MyVirus. Major shareholders Walter and Avanti. A match made in heaven.
I was making a joke, but linking me and Avanti is NOT funny. You take that back :) Now.
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:37am |
re: #461 pingjockey
This whole mess in Detroit and the money thrown at it is madness.
The whole bailout meme s madness.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:44am |
re: #474 Walter L. Newton
Maybe they took the Evelyn Woodhead Sped Readin' course? Old snl skit.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:30:46am |
re: #469 Erik The Red
Morning IR. Blogging in the nic this am?
Not today, but I updated a couple of days ago.
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Erik The Red Sat, May 2, 2009 7:31:00am |
re: #477 Walter L. Newton
I was making a joke, but linking me and Avanti is NOT funny. You take that back :) Now.
ROTFLMAO.
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:31:47am |
re: #481 Erik The Red
ROTFLMAO.
EtR ... I think we pissed off Walter this morning .... check that off my list for the day ... (just kidding Walter) ...
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:32:07am |
re: #476 avanti
Ah ha. I thought they were having fun with you about the bailout money. Studebaker stock? Wow.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:32:38am |
re: #468 Sharmuta
Maybe.
I think it's long past time for him to either piss or get off the pot, myself.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:32:47am |
re: #481 Erik The Red
ROTFLMAO.
...and in season 5 we discover that Jack Shephard is gay. There, back at you :)
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:33:49am |
re: #471 jcm
and #455 ping - It's ALWAYS been that way - since the War for Independence, there have always been civilians out there (usually but not always the ones cheering on our troops the loudest) who have made fortunes off of America's wars. And they have been "overcharging" us since the War of Independence as well.
However, there are a lot -and I'm thinking of days past, of civilian contractors who lost money or just wrote off legitimate over-rides in expenses. I've heard that dealing with the Pentagon is like trying to wrestle an octopus - a whole lotta folks telling contractors what to add, or change to an already approved weapons system.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:34:04am |
re: #487 pingjockey
It's arabic for "whore". It's a derogatory term for any free-spirited, independent woman, though, and not just a literal term.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:35:44am |
re: #489 Sharmuta
It's arabic for "whore". It's a derogatory term for any free-spirited, independent woman, though, and not just a literal term.
I'm a whore too, according to the cretins over at TSTSNBN.
Badge of honor!
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, May 2, 2009 7:35:49am |
re: #460 Sharmuta
I was just reading that in the spinoffs, and I have to laugh at the person over there bitching about my nic.
What really is there to say about the sort of brain that even with all the clues given, can't figure out that 'Sharmuta' as used by yourself is not attempt to advocate Arab prostitutes?
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:36:27am |
re: #489 Sharmuta
Gotcha. One of those multi-use words that doesn't translate. They probably call the women in the Majik Kingdom, Iran, etc...who want to drive and have equal standing Sharmutas'.
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yochanan Sat, May 2, 2009 7:36:39am |
since we have a few 'whores' here any one set price?
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:36:45am |
re: #492 pingjockey
Gotcha. One of those multi-use words that doesn't translate. They probably call the women in the Majik Kingdom, Iran, etc...who want to drive and have equal standing Sharmutas'.
Exactly!
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:37:12am |
re: #488 realwest
and #455 ping - It's ALWAYS been that way - since the War for Independence, there have always been civilians out there (usually but not always the ones cheering on our troops the loudest) who have made fortunes off of America's wars. And they have been "overcharging" us since the War of Independence as well.
However, there are a lot -and I'm thinking of days past, of civilian contractors who lost money or just wrote off legitimate over-rides in expenses. I've heard that dealing with the Pentagon is like trying to wrestle an octopus - a whole lotta folks telling contractors what to add, or change to an already approved weapons system.
The "military industrial complex" that Eisenhower warned about (not what the lefty mean when they use the term). It's always been there, just the tanker deal is so over the top.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:37:15am |
re: #493 yochanan
since we have a few 'whores' here any one set price?
Honey- I'm above your pay grade. ;)
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:37:29am |
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:37:36am |
re: #473 Irish Rose
Sounds just like the Army, Rose - hurry up and wait....and wait....and wait!
But on the bright side, at least he's not in harm's way, although if he's a typical young Marine (or soldier, airman, navy, coast guard) type, he'd like to be where the action is. Just the nature of the truly incredibly great Armed Forces personnel this nation has been blessed to find in every war.
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 7:38:02am |
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:38:28am |
re: #491 Jimmah
What really is there to say about the sort of brain that even with all the clues given, can't figure out that 'Sharmuta' as used by yourself is not attempt to advocate Arab prostitutes?
They already have their set end point, which is LGF is baaaad, so they'll distort whatever other point along the way to fit with their desired conclusion.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:38:42am |
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JacksonTn Sat, May 2, 2009 7:39:20am |
re: #493 yochanan
since we have a few 'whores' here any one set price?
Yoch ... well, if all us girls get together and form a union ... maybe we can get some bailout money ....
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:40:00am |
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rain of lead Sat, May 2, 2009 7:41:13am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, May 2, 2009 7:41:40am |
re: #503 Sharmuta
They already have their set end point, which is LGF is baaaad, so they'll distort whatever other point along the way to fit with their desired conclusion.
And I think they generally know how full of shit they are and how invalid silly 'points' like that are - it's like they have an unspoken pact to applaud everything that is said that results in the conclusion you mentioned. This is a 'group' of people that's given itself full permission to be stupid.
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yochanan Sat, May 2, 2009 7:41:45am |
I got more and quicker reaction from that than anything i ever posted on here.
must have hit a nerve.
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avanti Sat, May 2, 2009 7:41:56am |
re: #456 jcm
Studebaker Bailout, no back then they let a crappy car company die a natural death.
*and I'm a Mopar guy*
I like MOPARS too. Here's a Roadrunner losing a round at the pure stock muscle car drags to a Studebaker :) Ted Harbit's stock, supercharged Studebaker Lark has been doing well.
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jcm Sat, May 2, 2009 7:43:33am |
re: #511 avanti
I like MOPARS too. Here's a Roadrunner losing a round at the pure stock muscle car drags to a Studebaker :) Ted Harbit's stock, supercharged Studebaker Lark has been doing well.
[Video]
Ouch! That hurts! Now my pride is wounded!
;-P
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rain of lead Sat, May 2, 2009 7:45:08am |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Sat, May 2, 2009 7:45:39am |
Gotta go and get my shopping in. Have a good one, folks :)
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yochanan Sat, May 2, 2009 7:46:25am |
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:46:37am |
So Sharmuta, is anyone else here a whore that you're aware of?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:46:54am |
re: #503 Sharmuta
They already have their set end point, which is LGF is baaaad, so they'll distort whatever other point along the way to fit with their desired conclusion.
The person that commented on your LGF user name also said that LGF user "Eowyn" is using a "Volk" name (Nazi name) on the blof here.
Sort of makes any of his points sound like shit since, correct me if needed, "Eowyn" is a name from the Lord of the Rings novels, and has nothing to do with Germans, Nazi's or anything like that.
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yochanan Sat, May 2, 2009 7:47:31am |
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:48:45am |
re: #519 Walter L. Newton
The person that commented on your LGF user name also said that LGF user "Eowyn" is using a "Volk" name (Nazi name) on the blof here.
Sort of makes any of his points sound like shit since, correct me if needed, "Eowyn" is a name from the Lord of the Rings novels, and has nothing to do with Germans, Nazi's or anything like that.
Indeed- just an ignorant thing to say, and really grasping at straws, if you ask me.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 7:48:54am |
This story is finally making the press.
'Racist' made mosque bomb threat
He telephoned and emailed Strathclyde Police to make the threats from a flat in Glasgow, between 30 January and 15 February 2007.
The court heard that the email read: "I'm a proud racist and National Front member.
"We as an organisation have decided to deal with the current threat from Muslims in our own British way, like our proud ancestors.
"Our demands are very small. Close all mosques in Scotland.
"If our demands aren't met by next Friday, we'll kidnap one Muslim and execute him or her on the internet, just like they did to our Ken Bigley."
MacGregor then followed up the email with a call threatening to blow up Central Mosque.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 2, 2009 7:49:00am |
Good morning Lizards from cloudy but mild central Connecticut. Has anyone on the board been discussing WAB's $540 sneakers?
I think they're kind of goofy looking, and I don't have any problem with her having them. But if I am being asked to sacrifice and Chrysler debtors are being told they're not getting money they're entitled to, I think it's a tad hypocritical for her to be so ostentatious in her footwear choices.
However, Imelda Marcos WOULD be proud of her!
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DEZes Sat, May 2, 2009 7:49:01am |
re: #518 Irish Rose
So Sharmuta, is anyone else here a whore that you're aware of?
Male gigolo's count?
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 7:50:10am |
Eric Holder on his European "Take a Jihadi off of our hands " tour has not done well. As far as I can tell, only France has agreed to take any & that it just one. Obama really thought that the world would bend to his will. Oops!
Why not return them to their country of origin? THe claim that they may face persecution is problematic & they should of thought of that before their Jihad.
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songbird Sat, May 2, 2009 7:50:15am |
re: #525 DEZes
Male gigolo's count?
I was just thinking the same thing.
/says the spirited independent woman
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avanti Sat, May 2, 2009 7:50:28am |
re: #513 jcm
Ouch! That hurts! Now my pride is wounded!
;-P
I did pick one of the slower Roadrunners. :) It was a six pack 440, but the hemi's run in the mid 12's on street tires, and would blow the doors off our fastest Studebaker that runs in the high 12's.
At the Pure stock drags, the MOPAR guys love us, since Plymouth is now a orphan car too.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:51:25am |
Huh - from a link by Thanos in the Spin-Off links:
RNC leader Steele says GOP needs to re-engage
LA CROSSE, Wis. - The Republican Party's national leader gave the faithful a dose of tough love at the Wisconsin GOP's convention Friday night, telling them to stop complaining and tearing each other apart if they hope to stop Democrats' taxing and spending.Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele opened the convention in a Radisson Hotel ballroom by acknowledging his party is trying to find itself after stinging defeats in last November's elections both in Wisconsin and nationally. Republicans got drunk on power and lost touch with families and business owners, he said.
The party must stop devouring itself and change tactics, he said.
"I need you to be strong and I need you to be less concerned about who's more conservative, who's less conservative, who's up and who's down in the party," Steele said. "If you want to win, let's win. If you want to moan and groan and complain, there's the door.
"Just go ahead and follow Arlen right out the door. I don't have time for pretenders. Nor should you," Steele said, referring to Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter's switch to the Democratic Party. The standing room-only crowd erupted in applause.
Steele became the GOP's first black chairman in January, promising to completely overhaul the GOP.
He told the crowd Republicans have grown too predictable and must stop telegraphing who they're going after in elections. Most of all, they must rally around their core belief in personal responsibility.
"You're going to stop your whining and moaning and complaining and be counted ... You're going to stand up as Republicans and say, `This far and no further. We want our country back now!"'
Wisconsin Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke issued a statement Friday slamming the GOP as being in disarray.
"Democrats continue to welcome new members into the party, including people of all religious and racial backgrounds, sexual orientations and political leanings," Wineke said. "Meanwhile, the Republicans are becoming nothing more than an ultra-conservative, right-wing fringe party."
Steele contended Democrats want to decide too much for people, trying to control families, businesses and children's education.
He called the president "Uncle Obama," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., "Nanny Pelosi" and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., "Grinch Reid."
"How can our nation sustain the level of spending this president has undertaken in 100 days?" Steele said.
The crowd erupted in another round of applause.
In an interview with reporters before his speech, Steele acknowledged the Bush administration was the first to start spending on stimulus payments. He called that a "mistake in leadership."
[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]
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VegasRick Sat, May 2, 2009 7:52:07am |
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:52:23am |
re: #529 avanti
Guy I used to work with, his dad has over a dozen Barracudas. He owns/owned 6 fishing boats in Alaska, and collects and restores Barracudas.
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DEZes Sat, May 2, 2009 7:53:05am |
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VegasRick Sat, May 2, 2009 7:53:33am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 7:54:10am |
re: #528 pingjockey
Yeah, the trial has been going on for a while but I guess there was a gag order on press coverage. The guy was a National Front member who watched too many beheading videos.
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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 2, 2009 7:54:25am |
re: #530 realwest
It's good to Steele out in public again. I was about to suggest we put his face on milk cartons ...
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 7:54:53am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
Which list? Is it a good list or a bad list?
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:55:45am |
re: #530 realwest
"Democrats continue to welcome new members into the party, including people of all religious and racial backgrounds, sexual orientations and political leanings," Wineke said. "Meanwhile, the Republicans are becoming nothing more than an ultra-conservative, right-wing fringe party."
He's going to get hate mail for that.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 7:56:07am |
The clerics will never go for this one......
Saudi Arabia mulls marriage ban for girls under 18
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:56:10am |
re: #537 Sharmuta
Rose- I think you can safely add Killgore to that list.
Which one? The whore list, or my super-secret hit list?
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:56:30am |
re: #540 Killgore Trout
Which list? Is it a good list or a bad list?
The list of LGFers that the stalkers consider to be whores. I think it's a good list to be on. Come keep me company, KT.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 7:56:52am |
re: #544 Irish Rose
Which one? The whore list, or my super-secret hit list?
There's a whore list? Sign me up!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:57:16am |
re: #542 Sharmuta
Too bad, because it's becoming true. I don't know what in hell fiscal, small govt, tough military conservatives are going to do.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 7:57:18am |
re: #526 opnion Good morning opnion! That bit about the jihadist's home countries is, iirc, either a US law or an Excutive Order - it's not quite as discretionary as you might think.
Although I think President Obama IS surprised by the unwillingness of our European Allies to take the Gitmo prisoners - that or he gave no thought at all as to what the hell to do with them when he said he would close Gitmo. And that I just don't believe.
Personally, I think Holder ought to try Madrid - seems to me as if Zapetero would be willing to take at least a few, sorta as protection against Al-Q and their ilk striking in Spain.
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Sharmuta Sat, May 2, 2009 7:59:01am |
re: #551 Iron Fist
You mean you aren't an arabic prostitute? I'm crushed :-)
LOL! It's all good, because you're not an Iron Fist, but a fluffy, huggable kitten.
I'll keep your secret if you keep mine. ;)
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 7:59:12am |
re: #549 realwest
...Personally, I think Holder ought to try Madrid - seems to me as if Zapetero would be willing to take at least a few, sorta as protection against Al-Q and their ilk striking in Spain.
Of course, you don't mean to suggest that this would prevent AQ from doing anything they want, in Spain or any place else?
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 7:59:22am |
re: #545 Killgore Trout
What in hell are those people thinking? They fought a war with the nazis!
I understand the very real concern over the influx of islamic folks and their unwillingness to assimilate. But, fascism is not the answer.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 7:59:33am |
Do not hit post twice.
Repeat, do not hit post twice.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 8:00:54am |
Well hell, I only hit it once and got a triple header.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:01:34am |
Nazi jackpot.....
BNP could get £2m EU funds
The British National party could transform British politics and get up to £2m from the EU if the main political parties fail to prevent the far right organisation from winning six seats in the European elections in June, Peter Hain, the former cabinet minister and founder member of the Anti-Nazi League, warns today.
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 8:01:44am |
re: #549 realwest
Good morning opnion! That bit about the jihadist's home countries is, iirc, either a US law or an Excutive Order - it's not quite as discretionary as you might think.
Although I think President Obama IS surprised by the unwillingness of our European Allies to take the Gitmo prisoners - that or he gave no thought at all as to what the hell to do with them when he said he would close Gitmo. And that I just don't believe.Personally, I think Holder ought to try Madrid - seems to me as if Zapetero would be willing to take at least a few, sorta as protection against Al-Q and their ilk striking in Spain.
Good Mornig Real. Yeah, I know that their are legalities to returning people to places where they could face execution or torture.
It appears though that the Administration alternative is to place them in American Communities with taxpayer funded public assistance.
This strikes me as a very bad idea.
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callahan23 Sat, May 2, 2009 8:01:52am |
re: #544 Irish Rose
Which one? The whore list, or my super-secret hit list?
How about a super-secret whore hit list, a super whore-secret hit list, or a secret super whore hit list?
Hi all Lizards. Good morning, noon, afternoon and good'ay.
Harry C.
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Irish Rose Sat, May 2, 2009 8:02:00am |
OK, I'm dyin' here.
Someone pick up the red phone and wake Charles up.
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:02:29am |
re: #555 pingjockey
There are elections in the UK in a few days. Racial parties are expected to do well.
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DEZes Sat, May 2, 2009 8:03:08am |
re: #561 Irish Rose
OK, I'm dyin' here.
Someone pick up the red phone and wake Charles up.
I dont see any double posts from you.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:04:01am |
re: #558 Killgore Trout
They're frakkin' crazy across the pond.
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DEZes Sat, May 2, 2009 8:04:23am |
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:04:47am |
re: #562 Killgore Trout
There are elections in the UK in a few days. Racial parties are expected to do well.
It's no wonder. Just look at the support they have here in with a lot of the US blogs. They must be really doing good in their home country to have such a widespread audience.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:05:13am |
Oh wow! The Derby favorite has been scratched.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:05:50am |
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:06:23am |
re: #570 Walter L. Newton
You have a whole bunch of unemplyed youts over there, think soccer hooligans. Who don't like immigrants.
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:06:54am |
re: #572 Walter L. Newton
Nah, one of those big floppy hats.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:08:04am |
re: #539 _RememberTonyC
ROTFL! No I've developed an admittedly limited e-mail relationship with Michael Steele and have to say he's REALLY FOCUSED on the 2010 elections. I sent him one of Charles threads about the Texas Creationsists/School boards (well a quick summary and a link) and he said pretty much to me what he said in the quote from the Chicago Tribune - We have to own up to our responsibilities for financial irresponsibility and need to stop being one issue voters.
Course, we've only exchanged about 4 e-mails, one of which was a form e-mail response from him, but I think he really does understand what's going on with the GOP and how much we need to get back to INDIVIDUAL resposibility, stop most forms of corporate welfare and basically go smaller governments are better than bigger governments route( the pural on governments was cause I was bitching and moaning - politely! - about whatever the Fed deosn't take away from us the States tend to take away and that is certainly true in the matter of individual rights and liberty).
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Gusbenz Sat, May 2, 2009 8:09:06am |
I'm not sure King wrote those lines. He didn't write Stand By Me, he wrote The Body, the novella on which it is based. I haven't read the novella, so maybe it is in there. Why did I even post this? Forgive me. Open threads seem to have an odd effect on me.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:09:46am |
re: #574 pingjockey
You have a whole bunch of unemplyed youts over there, think soccer hooligans. Who don't like immigrants.
ANd think about it, that's the formula for a lot of Europe right now, ergo, VB and all the other continental groups that seem to be picking up steam. Not a good situation.
And even here, we have a president who is going to foster that sort of division. There are a lot of Americans out their who will not be careful and hook up with any group that seems to be opposing the Big O, and we have already seen the tendencies of some of these groups and their leaders, right here, in the good old US of A.
Whack a fascist today!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:11:53am |
re: #580 Walter L. Newton
That is spot on. IIRC, the EU as a whole, the unemployment rate for under 25 age group is over 20%. So a lot of unemployed young men with nothing to do. A LOT of resenment, no hope for improvement. Recipe for disaster.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:12:19am |
re: #579 Gusbenz
I'm not sure King wrote those lines. He didn't write Stand By Me, he wrote The Body, the novella on which it is based. I haven't read the novella, so maybe it is in there. Why did I even post this? Forgive me. Open threads seem to have an odd effect on me.
The lines are from the movie, screenplay by Raynold Gideon, so Raynold Gideon probably added those lines to the story. It's done all the time.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:12:31am |
re: #542 Sharmuta
Nah, that was a Democrat talking (it's awful reporting, I know, but that statement was made by Wisconsin Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke and was part of what Steele was responding to). Democrats don't get hate mail except from other Democrats!
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pingjockey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:13:23am |
BBIAB. The 9 yr old would like to look at transformers videos!
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callahan23 Sat, May 2, 2009 8:13:53am |
I am planning on going to see "Gran Torino" tonight.
Not to much overtures towards moonbats?
Worth the money?
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:14:54am |
Hopenchange for Pahkeestaahn.....
US commission adds Pakistan to religious freedom ‘watch list’
The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) – a US government-funded agency created to monitor the status of freedom of thought, conscience and religion – released its annual report on Friday, listing Pakistan as a ‘country of particular concern’ (CPC).
Countries are placed on the report’s list because their governments either discriminate against people for religious reasons or are unwilling or unable to stop religious violence by their citizens.
Pakistan joined Iran, Iraq, China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Vietnam, amongst others, as being the worst violators of religious freedoms.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:15:14am |
re: #554 Walter L. Newton
Hi Walter! No of course not, just that Zapetero probably thinks that. That's why he abruptly withdrew Spanish troops from Iraq immediately after he was elected.
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Miss Trixie Sat, May 2, 2009 8:15:14am |
♪ ♬ Good morning, {lizards!} ♬ ♪
A lovely day in the valley and should be warming up nicely if not for that bloody wind.
My mini roses made it through the winter and they're flourishing, the Charles Johnson day lillies are already 6 inches tall and my West Point tulips will bloom their little hearts out in a week or two.
Life is good.
{realwest} Good morning luv *smoochie-smooch* How are you today?
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opnion Sat, May 2, 2009 8:15:56am |
re: #587 callahan23
I am planning on going to see "Gran Torino" tonight.
Not to much overtures towards moonbats?
Worth the money?
Good movie & worth the price of the ticket. Silence & only nervous laughter for about the first 15 minutes, then everyone gets into it.
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DEZes Sat, May 2, 2009 8:16:17am |
re: #587 callahan23
I am planning on going to see "Gran Torino" tonight.
Not to much overtures towards moonbats?
Worth the money?
I saw it, it was okay, but will not make it into my movie collection.
I wont spoil it for you.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:17:37am |
re: #560 callahan23
Good morning Harry C.! I hate to say this but reading that gave me a slight headache! LOL!
Too many Secret, Super Secret and what not!
How are ya today?
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:18:15am |
re: #587 callahan23
I am planning on going to see "Gran Torino" tonight.
Not to much overtures towards moonbats?
Worth the money?
John Nolte, the movie reviewer formerly of dirtharrysplace.com, now at Big Hollywood.com, loved it.
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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Sat, May 2, 2009 8:19:26am |
re: #594 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
John Nolte, the movie reviewer formerly of dirtharrysplace.com, now at Big Hollywood.com, loved it.
Sorry, I posted the link without the review. Here's his review.
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Spare O'Lake Sat, May 2, 2009 8:23:08am |
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callahan23 Sat, May 2, 2009 8:23:25am |
re: #593 realwest
Good morning Harry C.! I hate to say this but reading that gave me a slight headache! LOL!
Too many Secret, Super Secret and what not!
How are ya today?
I was just playing with the possibilities of combining the two lists. ;-)
I am well. Thank you. Not the raucous, exalted kind of good though which I am not often anyway. :-)
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:23:34am |
re: #574 pingjockey Well that's true (about the unemployed youts, I mean) but that's what you get with socialist government. A lot of folks who are unemployed or underemployed - now add to that mix that a lot of the more recent immigrants don't want to assimilate and you have a truly toxic mix and mess.
And I just don't know enough about European Politics to be able to offer any acceptable remedies for our friends across the pond.
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:25:18am |
re: #599 realwest
Well that's true (about the unemployed youts, I mean) but that's what you get with socialist government. A lot of folks who are unemployed or underemployed - now add to that mix that a lot of the more recent immigrants don't want to assimilate and you have a truly toxic mix and mess.
And I just don't know enough about European Politics to be able to offer any acceptable remedies for our friends across the pond.
In the past, the remedy has been to go to war.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:26:16am |
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VegasRick Sat, May 2, 2009 8:26:20am |
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Think the Iraqi's will put a caterpillar in his cell?
Oh the humanity!
/
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:27:22am |
re: #602 VegasRick
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Think the Iraqi's will put a caterpillar in his cell?
Oh the humanity!
/
Wouldn't be very fair to the caterpillar.
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callahan23 Sat, May 2, 2009 8:28:34am |
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:30:46am |
re: #590 {Miss Trixie} Hey Gorgeous, I'm doing ok I guess - *smooches* back to you - and I hope you'll listen to and watch the entire video I posted at #601 !
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Killgore Trout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:32:10am |
Three more banks taken over by regulators
Regulators on Friday shut down Georgia's Silverton Bank N.A., New Jersey's Citizens Community Bank, and Utah's America West Bank, bringing the number of bank failures this year to 32.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:35:04am |
re: #606 realwest
I really like the way the music video of Stand By Me goes from New Orleans, to the Netherlands, to France, to New Mexico etc. etc. really cool version of that song!
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:37:44am |
Hiya, Lizard Nation!
How are you on this fine May Saturday?
My arms are dropping off - I did some planting up (just geraniums ...), and cut my front garden hedge ...
Tomorrow I won't be able to even lift my coffe cup!
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reine.de.tout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:41:20am |
re: #609 yma o hyd
Mornin', Yma!
How are the eyes doing?
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Pupdawg Sat, May 2, 2009 8:42:24am |
Goofy might be a man in a semi-dog's body who wears clothes, speaks English and walks upright on hind legs. Goofy has human hands with fingers, thumbs and feet fit for the days fashionable gloves and/or footwear.
Goofy must be a Republican since he has obviously evolved...Pluto would be the Democrat who relies totally on the support of another or others.
Mickey Mouse wears pants but Donald Duck doesn't. Mickey is evidently PC and possibly sexually aware while Donald is obviously clueless since he wears no pants. Donald may well sing in falsetto soprano voice.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:43:27am |
re: #609 yma o hyd
Hi there {Yma} Hope that, aside from your arms, you're doing well!
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:43:55am |
I keep seeing people with surgical masks on, trying to protect themselves from the Flu of the Americas (TM 2009 WLN).
I hear that helps, I hear it doesn't, I can't find any reference to whether is works or not. Anyone here have an answer.
Just curious. I'm not interested in wearing one, doesn't go with my bowler hat, or my Indiana Jones hat.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:43:55am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Hey good morning reine! How are you this morning?
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:43:57am |
re: #610 reine.de.tout
Mornin', Yma!
How are the eyes doing?
Hiya, {reine} - so far so good-ish.
No operation, check up in September - but its not brilliant.
Waiting for the allergy consultant - and am thinking about perhaps also seeing him privately.
Still - its a lovely day, warm and sunny - gardening, chatting with half the neighbourhood while hedge-cutting: them are the days!
How are you?
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Walter L. Newton Sat, May 2, 2009 8:45:14am |
re: #615 yma o hyd
...and am thinking about perhaps also seeing him privately....
Can't you be deported from the country for doing that?
/
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:46:08am |
re: #612 realwest
Hi there {Yma} Hope that, aside from your arms, you're doing well!
Hiya, {rw}!
I've decided, unilaterally, to totally disregard those wheezes and sneezes and just get on with things.
Can't waste a lovely sunny May day wrapping meself in cotton wool!
How are things with you, and how is your Mum?
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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 2, 2009 8:47:20am |
re: #578 realwest
ROTFL! No I've developed an admittedly limited e-mail relationship with Michael Steele and have to say he's REALLY FOCUSED on the 2010 elections. I sent him one of Charles threads about the Texas Creationsists/School boards (well a quick summary and a link) and he said pretty much to me what he said in the quote from the Chicago Tribune - We have to own up to our responsibilities for financial irresponsibility and need to stop being one issue voters.
Course, we've only exchanged about 4 e-mails, one of which was a form e-mail response from him, but I think he really does understand what's going on with the GOP and how much we need to get back to INDIVIDUAL resposibility, stop most forms of corporate welfare and basically go smaller governments are better than bigger governments route( the pural on governments was cause I was bitching and moaning - politely! - about whatever the Fed deosn't take away from us the States tend to take away and that is certainly true in the matter of individual rights and liberty).
That's great to hear. Is there a direct email address that he can be reached at? I like Steele and I am a right of center Independent with a pretty good understanding of the issues that might peel off some of my friends and family who vote Democratic by habit.
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:48:41am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
I keep seeing people with surgical masks on, trying to protect themselves from the Flu of the Americas (TM 2009 WLN).
I hear that helps, I hear it doesn't, I can't find any reference to whether is works or not. Anyone here have an answer.
Just curious. I'm not interested in wearing one, doesn't go with my bowler hat, or my Indiana Jones hat.
Doctors here in the UK say these masks prevent you from infecting other people, but don't do much in the way of protecting you when others are around.
General folk opinion here is that its all blown up out of proportion by the media, seeing that more people die of ordinary seasonal flu.
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:49:16am |
re: #616 Walter L. Newton
Can't you be deported from the country for doing that?
/
Let them try, is all I say!
:-)))
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:49:21am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
I've heard mostly stuff along the lines of "it wouldn't hurt to wear it" - which to me means it won't help much!
Y'all might want to try looking at this: [Link: healthmap.org...]
There appears to be two confirmed swine flu cases in
Douglas, Arapahoe - y'all just have to click on Colorado and it'll give you a summary as of today - or I guess this morning.
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reine.de.tout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:50:07am |
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reine.de.tout Sat, May 2, 2009 8:50:31am |
re: #619 yma o hyd
Doctors here in the UK say these masks prevent you from infecting other people, but don't do much in the way of protecting you when others are around.
General folk opinion here is that its all blown up out of proportion by the media, seeing that more people die of ordinary seasonal flu.
General folk opinion in my house is the same.
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:51:19am |
re: #617 yma o hyd Well good for you!
Mom and I have each received less than thrilling medical news this past week, but we're otherwise doing ok, thanks!
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:51:50am |
Here's a very suitable cartoon!
People here say that when they heard Gord tell that the UK is in the best position to combat this flu, thats when they started panicking, recalling his words about our economical situation ...
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:53:34am |
re: #618 _RememberTonyC
Hey there! Nope I don't have a direct link to Mr. Steele, just e-mail the RNC and put in the subject to line "Attn: Mr. Michael Steele" - and his e-mail replies come from the same e-mail addy - although he did mention he was in a different state when he e-mailed me once so I suppose he's got like e-mail forwarding or something.
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yma o hyd Sat, May 2, 2009 8:53:40am |
re: #625 realwest
Well good for you!
Mom and I have each received less than thrilling medical news this past week, but we're otherwise doing ok, thanks!
I'm so sorry to hear that - I hope you're being well looked after, medically and otherewise!
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realwest Sat, May 2, 2009 8:58:04am |
re: #628 yma o hyd
Well Mom is, but my onc is on vacation through next week and his "cover" onc has contradicted my onc at least twice so I reckon it's another week or so before I get any real med adice that I can trust (to be fair to the cover guy, he didn't have my records or my onc's notes).
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_RememberTonyC Sat, May 2, 2009 9:04:52am |
re: #627 realwest
Thanks Realwest .... I need to send Mr Steele some ideas.
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z Sat, May 2, 2009 9:32:59am |
Goofy is when you ride a skateboard backwards, right?
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kansas Sat, May 2, 2009 9:40:57am |
Maximum Irony Alert
O'Bummer might review Gitmo Courts. Hard to do if it's closed I suppose.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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