Are You Ready for the Mini-Schwein?

Charles Johnson

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From the children’s zoo at Zoo Basel, the inexorable mini-schwein. (Hat tip: ZooBorns.)

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588 comments

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:34:14am

Aw.
Terminal cuteness.

pelkabo Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:34:35am

Those cute little piggies offend me.

Blackacre Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:36:43am

I'd like to dedicate this picture to Ahmadasahatter.

schnapp Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:37:30am

They may have Mini-Schwein Flu!

Jim in Virginia Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:39:12am

Oooh, Pig Sooiee!
(Where is razorbacker when we need him?)

Jim in Virginia Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:42:00am

I'm seeing one ad for Ann Coulter, six ads for sexual abuse lawyer, sexual abuse children, molestation accusation, sex offender records...
Aaagh. More coffee, stat.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:42:17am

re: #5 Jim in Virginia

Oooh, Pig Sooiee!
(Where is razorbacker when we need him?)

Up-Ding!
Classic

Bloodnok Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:43:07am

Youtube Video

coquimbojoe Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:48:04am

Set as desktop: check
Now off to bed: check
Have a great Saturday Lizardim!

Sharmuta Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:49:16am

Awwwwwww!

Sharmuta Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:50:10am

Let's name it Spot.

Mithrax Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:51:15am

re: #11 Sharmuta

Let's name it Spot.

I was gonna name it breakfast, but spot sounds just as yummy :)

Sabnen Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:51:19am

re: #6 Jim in Virginia

We may not see any Muslim dating ads with this 'Schwein' thread.

coquimbojoe Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:53:49am

re: #12 Mithrax

I was gonna name it breakfast, but spot sounds just as yummy :)

I thought Oscar Meyer would be a good name.... But that's just my way of thinking.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:55:14am

re: #14 coquimbojoe

I thought Oscar Meyer would be a good name.... But that's just my way of thinking.

*WHACK*

/prefaced by a LOL!

right_wing2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:55:27am

This little piggy stayed home...

VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 4:58:54am

Let's not mention 'links' on a little piggie thread.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:00:36am

Charles,

After double-checking Webster's, I'm puzzled about why they're "inexorable"

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:02:55am

OT #iranelections is burning up on twitter. I can't figure out which are actually from Iranians and which are people at a distance wanting to be part of the action... It still appears to be a call for change in domestic issues. I haven't seen any Iranian calls to stop threatening Israel and the EU or, what would be even better, calls for Mousavi to say he no longer favors nuking up and obliterating Israel and the EU.

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lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:12:58am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I don't dig on swine.

rustler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:13:15am

re: #17 VioletTiger
Lol my friends little sister named her Pot bellied pig Link after Brandon fraser in Encino man. The pig was 2 years old (she was then 7) before she realized why her brother and Dad laughed so hard at the poor piggies name.

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:17:01am

re: #21 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I don't dig on swine.

That'swine.

[deleted] Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:18:06am

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:20:34am

re: #19 Sunlight

OT #iranelections is burning up on twitter. I can't figure out which are actually from Iranians and which are people at a distance wanting to be part of the action... It still appears to be a call for change in domestic issues. I haven't seen any Iranian calls to stop threatening Israel and the EU or, what would be even better, calls for Mousavi to say he no longer favors nuking up and obliterating Israel and the EU.

Typo. No "s" at the end. Put #iranelection into search place. 100+ new tweets to refresh at the top by the time you've read one page.

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:22:54am

Eat more chicken

/wait, that's a cow...

Rustler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:24:56am

re: #26 SasquatchOnSteroids
I'm still waiting for someone to do hte turducken thing with red meat you know stuff a hog in a cow stuff that with a lamb then a rabbit in that.

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:30:34am

They're all cute when they're new, then they just turn into big pigs, start fighting over the trough, laying around for 22 hrs out of the day...

Sorta like Congress.

Sharmuta Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:31:18am

If we buy a baby gift, would that be considered pork spending?

Rustler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:32:31am

re: #28 SasquatchOnSteroids
Comparing Congress to pigs is an insult to pigs everywhere. Compared to Congress the nastiest most ill mannered rabid pigs come out looking like fluffy perfectly well behaved kittens.

eon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:33:13am

Ooh. Pig puppies.

/but can they play fetch?

cheers

eon

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:33:47am

re: #30 Rustler

Point taken. Sorry, Petunia.

eon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:37:27am

Drat. Got to run.

Have a great day, Lizards.

cheers

eon

Rustler Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:39:33am

re: #32 SasquatchOnSteroids Thats ok I called Congress scum the other day and had to think even the nasty scum residing in the NY city sewers probably come out smelling cleaner before it runs thru the sani plant than congress. Hence I have now determined Congress to be the nastiest foulest insult possible. This is the real reason Senator boxer insist on being called Senator. She hasn't earned the right to be called ma'am.

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:41:21am

Rushing headlong into confrontation. The demonstrations in Tehran should have started about an hour ago. So far, no video or photos of today's demonstrations, and there's word that several Iranian bloggers inside Iran haven't posted.

Even the NYT is relying on Facebook and Twitter for its news coverage.

The Guardian Council said that they'd recount 10% of the vote, but no one is buying - Mousavi didn't appear before the Council to plead his case.

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:45:16am

Cripes - expecting an Open Thread, and here I am confronted with little piggies!

And look at the time!
Charles - have you now also got a dog that wakes you up at four, with a huge face-lick, no matter if you like that or not?

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:45:56am

Recent tweets. No telling how accurate these are.

jonacon: RT Thousands of people attempting to enter Tehran protest site have been blocked by heavily armed police, eyewitness says. #iranelection
ErikaMadelene: BBC: it is not possible to gather, forces are breaking up the ppl--- #iranelection #gr88 omg [Link: tinyurl.com...]

ree4alln: RT @EnghelabeAzadi: Huge basij pressence in tehran. You have terrified the gov, don't let them stop you. #iranelection #iranelections #gr88

mimzkie: RT @Rezaliteit Oilice/basij trying to block yr way. Get round them or sit on ground in front of them in silence. #iranelection

loreleisigma: RT @leonspencer @CNN stupid interviewing woman say only 1st name will be given. they show her full name in caption #IranElection #CNNFail

photo, supposedly from today

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:46:30am

I have a dreadful feeling that I'm going to be harping on this subject today... #281 pre-Boomer Marine brat

After reading the letter Winston posted, things began coming to mind from the past.

I came of age in the early Sixties, in the day of Buddhist monks immolating themselves in the streets of Saigon, protesting the tyranny of the Diem regime.

Mid-Sixties, in a near-empty bar in Baguio, a Filipino man explained the facts of daily life in the thug-ocracy, talking soft, frequently glancing over his shoulder.

Back in college from the Navy, I saw our fair-weather "radicals", so full of their own rhetoric, so clueless about what real revolution involves.

Barack Obama is a big talker. He is a child.
The streets of Tehran today, Saturday, is the last place he'd choose to be.

Just words, Barack, just words.

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:48:02am

re: #35 lawhawk

Rushing headlong into confrontation. The demonstrations in Tehran should have started about an hour ago. So far, no video or photos of today's demonstrations, and there's word that several Iranian bloggers inside Iran haven't posted.

Even the NYT is relying on Facebook and Twitter for its news coverage.

The Guardian Council said that they'd recount 10% of the vote, but no one is buying - Mousavi didn't appear before the Council to plead his case.

Here is what John Leyne, the Beeb reporter in Tehran, has to say:

' The situation is very tense and very confused. We don't have direct, immediate reports from the scene because of course we're not allowed to go there.

It's not even entirely clear whether the opposition wanted the demonstration to go ahead. There were a lot of mixed messages through the day whether or not it had been called off. My instinct is that I think opposition supporters are so fired up, they're going to turn up anyway.

They've been very good at getting messages between themselves very quickly, so it's possible they might move the demonstration if there are riot police in the planned location.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:49:19am

And here is another excellent CARTOON - today's TIMES/London

Roll-aid Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:49:29am

Testing private thread feature on a quiet Saturday AM

This is only a test. Opera V9.64

In the event of a real thread, you would be instructed to comment properly.

Spelling - check
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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 5:50:54am

More from 'madyar':

HARD conflict between the people and the Special Guard. people: down with khamenee #IranElection'

'Heavy clashes on azadi street, chants of death to khameni! The street is full of rocks and fire. #IranElection'

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:01:35am

re: #59 yma o hyd

I got that from TweetDeck.

The same things are showing up both places; more "twitterers" on tweetgrid, but tweetdeck is set so we know that we're following the same ones that we think are accurate.

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:01:36am

re: #37 reine.de.tout

I saw that one, and one reputedly showing the Basij. Reports via Twitter claiming large crowds, and a large police presence.

VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:09am

Reine, the grid is very cool.

Best wishes for your kitty to get better. Tuna will help! :)

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:17am

"perverse irony" indeed....
Rich Lowery and Iran

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:38am

re: #63 lawhawk

I saw that one, and one reputedly showing the Basij. Reports via Twitter claiming large crowds, and a large police presence.

Lots of conflicting information on "tweet grid" because it's pulling in all "tweets".
I have my tweetdeck set to follow only those twitterers that have been tweeting all along.

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:53am

re: #64 VioletTiger

Reine, the grid is very cool.

Best wishes for your kitty to get better. Tuna will help! :)

Heh.
Tuna - cocaine for cats.

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:02:54am

re: #38 pre-Boomer Marine brat

excellent comment1

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:15am

re: #56 VioletTiger

Reine,

How do you tell the real Iranians from the well-wishers and hangers on?

Also, somebody already had my LGF nic on twitter. weird.

Dunno how reine does it, especially in 'tweet grid' - but on her advice I isntalled 'TweetDeck', and they will sort things - one column for all outside friends - and the one I mostly rely on are the ones I 'follow'. They are in a different column.
Works good!

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:28am

Another photo showing police lining up vehicles.

Via Twitter, the following comment, the veracity unchecked:

DominiqueRdr RT @Amysco: They've started chanting death to khameni. Streets full of rocks and fire. @Azadi st. #iranelection

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:43am

rows of riot police

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:47am

re: #49 albusteve

VDH...this guy is relentless...check out the WH presser with Gibbs answers to BOs lack of historical accuracy...as usual VDH is on fire

[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

Wow! That needs to be sent to o. VDH hits him with a cluebat.

3 wood Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:49am

Then there's this charming comment at HuffPo, equating the Iranian thuggery with US police:

- NSAGuy20755
Thats right, why aren't they tasering little old ladies and little kids like the good old American cops?
Posted 08:54 AM on 06/20/2009

rain of lead Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:04:54am

re: #67 reine.de.tout

Heh.
Tuna - cocaine for cats.

does that mean shrimp is a gateway drug?

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:06:20am

re: #68 Kenneth

excellent comment1

Thanks

/*grin* ... you may get tired of my ranting before the day's over

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:06:27am

re: #73 3 wood

Then there's this charming comment at HuffPo, equating the Iranian thuggery with US police:

lovely....

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:07:10am

OMG

'Voice of shooting in Azadi street in Tehran #IranElection'
(madyar)

'gunshots have started, being fired into the air.'
'via FB: "people are trapped between Behboodi and Enghelaab."'
'until we hear anything, i will put out info from friends' FB and Twitter alerts'
(Tehranbureau)

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:08:04am

GeorgieP: RT @zbob1: CNN finally admitted twitter reports were more reliable than Iran State TV. Duh. #IranElection
henksijgers: RT: @kriszensufi: RT #iranelection Tweets from inside Iran say rally is on and police clashing with protesters

EnghelabeAzadi: MSG FRONTLINE: Basij now shooting. Unsure whether victims. People running but not backing down! #Iranelection

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:08:08am

AP and Al Jazeera both reporting that tear gas is being used...

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:08:27am

re: #65 albusteve

"In a perverse irony, we are witnessing the most serious threat to the Islamic Republic since its establishment, at the same time the first American president explicitly to accept the regime's legitimacy happens to be in office. Whatever credibility the mullahs have lost in the street, they have picked up in the Oval Office"

I truly loath Obama.

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:08:51am

A running blog - the link came from our Winston08, via tweet:
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:10:05am

Police are attempting protesters from congregating in the meeting areas.

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:10:07am

Tehran Bureau, which is usually accurate:

gunshots have started, being fired into the air.

clashes between forces and people on Azadi Street

alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:13am

OT
While Nuclear Tehran burns, Democrat led Senate apologized for US Slavery and plans to pay RESTITUTIONS.

Black Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree helped write this writ, and is big into restitutions for "his people" and grievance hustling.

But NOT liberty and justice for ALL.

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:27am

re: #75 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Rant on my friend!

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:11:29am

'ust in: heavy clashes in #tehran's enghelab Sq. #iranelection'
(Winston08)

'clashes between forces and people on Azadi Street'
'clashes at enghelaab square'
(Tehranbureau)

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:12:22am

This isn't really "realism," but a stubborn commitment to an illusory belief in the power of talks with an ill-intentioned, reform-resistant dictatorship. Beneath the veneer of its hardheaded distancing from the protesters, Obama's policy has a goopy, naïve heart.

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:12:43am

'5:40
police using tear gas, water cannons to disperse thousands of protesters in Tehran,They are beating "people" in Enghelab St., not only the protesters!
5:42
people are trapped between Behboodi and Enghelaab
5:48
people are trapped between Behboodi & Enghelaab. gunshots being fired into the air...'

[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

(My emphasis)

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:13:06am

re: #80 Kenneth

I truly loath Obama.

loath is too good a word....but accurate...every single thing about BO makes me sick in my guts

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:02am

re: #84 alegrias

OT
While Nuclear Tehran burns, Democrat led Senate apologized for US Slavery and plans to pay RESTITUTIONS.

Black Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree helped write this writ, and is big into restitutions for "his people" and grievance hustling.

But NOT liberty and justice for ALL.

I wonder where Marie Terese Coin-Coin fits into this scheme.

The Melrose story begins with Marie Therese Coincoin, a slave born in 1742 eventually she was sold to a Frenchmen, Claude Thomas Pierre Metoyer, in time Metoyer freed Marie Therese and ten Franco-African children. Evidence points to Metoyer as the Father of these children. Marie Therese and son Louis Metoyer received large grants of land including the present Melrose plantation. Marie Therese and her sons would eventually build Yucca House (c.1796) the colonial residence, African House (c.1800) slave-fort and provision house, Big House (c.1833). Early Louisiana plantation home. Marie Therese and her children purchased slaves to help in clearing the land, and cultivating indigo, tobacco, corn, cotton, and raising cattle. Marie Therese would see her children and grandchildren live prosperous lives, owners of thousands of acres of land and numerous slaves.

Kenneth Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:14:03am

re: #86 yma o hyd

It's on. The people must have figured out their choice was either to stand up and some die quickly, or lie down and all die slowly.

God protect the Iranian peopl.

alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:25am

NOW is the time for all good Iraqis to come to the aid of their Shiite neighbors.

(return some of their terrorist IEDs).

Mr. Al Maliki, the PResident of Iraq, spent many years hiding out in Iran, he should speak out against this terrorist regime as Pres. George Bush did, and distinguish himself from Pres. Obama the Carterite weakling terrorist accomodator.

jacksontn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:34am

re: #73 3 wood

Then there's this charming comment at HuffPo, equating the Iranian thuggery with US police:

3W ... charming ... I remember just the other day here someone said something like ... I should write a post at DKos ... "I have read LGF and they are us" ... I almost fell out of my chair ... HuffPo and DKos spew crap and have for a long long time ... one article by Andrew Sullivan does not change who they are ...

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:15:53am

tollwut: #gr88 #iran09 #iranelection #Tehran RT DO NOT PROVOKE BASIJI SPEC OPS, CARRYING AK47 IN BLACK MASKS.
edlopez101: Eyewitness report: Enghelab street is fulll of people between ghods st. and Enghelab square #iranelection #gr88 DEATH TO KHAMENEI REVOLUTION

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:03am

re: #91 Kenneth

It's on. The people must have figured out their choice was either to stand up and some die quickly, or lie down and all die slowly.

God protect the Iranian peopl.

I pray that this doesn't become Tiananmen Square MkII.

I've had this terrible feeling ever since last week that state violence was on teh cards - now I pray that more and more of the police and of the ordinary people will come out on the side of the dissenters.

May God protect them all!

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:17:07am

re: #87 Kenneth

Obama's policy has a goopy, naïve heart.

A Sixties Child, caught in the briar patch of reality.

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:18:38am

re: #93 jacksontn

3W ... charming ... I remember just the other day here someone said something like ... I should write a post at DKos ... "I have read LGF and they are us" ... I almost fell out of my chair ... HuffPo and DKos spew crap and have for a long long time ... one article by Andrew Sullivan does not change who they are ...

I have not forgotten that post nor will I....I don't fall for that cozy-up, sugar coated garbage either

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:19:13am

'shooting reported in Azadi Sq.' - from tehranbureau.

As we've had these reports from several sources, I think we can be reasonably certain that some shooting is actually happening and that its not some panic rumour.

Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:19:35am

Tacky sunset at Stonehenge.

Image: stonehenge_sunset1.gif

Yuck.

100

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:19:49am

re: #98 yma o hyd

'shooting reported in Azadi Sq.' - from tehranbureau.

As we've had these reports from several sources, I think we can be reasonably certain that some shooting is actually happening and that its not some panic rumour.

TehranBureau has been accurate all along.

101

alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:01am

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A Sixties Child, caught in the briar patch of reality.

* * * *
Nah, a democrat willing to sell out allies like Democrats did to Vietnam & Cambodia--let the killing fields happen.

Democrats knew full well genocide was on the menu, and let it happen without thinking twice.

Jon Voight said recently he stopped being a liberal, when he witnessed liberals let genocide happen.

102

freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:13am

re: #99 Jimmah

tacky

103

JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:22am

re: #99 Jimmah

Tacky sunset at Stonehenge.

[Link: www.activemind.com...]

Yuck.

Jimmah ... beautiful ... it almost looks photoshopped ...

104

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:33am

re: #99 Jimmah

Tacky sunset at Stonehenge.

[Link: www.activemind.com...]

Yuck.

Pretty awful.
I have "stonehenge" pic as my background on my computer
One of the places I would love to see someday.

105

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:43am

re: #99 Jimmah

Tacky sunset at Stonehenge.

[Link: www.activemind.com...]

Yuck.

I bet that again, as usual, at sunrise tomorrow, Summer Solstice - it will rain over Stonehenge!

106

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:20:51am

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

A Sixties Child, caught in the briar patch of reality.

(yes, the metaphor was deliberate, but 180 out, in a certain sense, from the way it was originally intended)

107

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:21:35am

Unconfirmed report of a bomb blast in Tehran; possibly mosque where Khamenei preaches.

108

freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:22:04am

Since Stonehenge came up:

Huge Pre-Stonehenge Complex Found via "Crop Circles"

Given away by strange, crop circle-like formations seen from the air, a huge prehistoric ceremonial complex discovered in southern England has taken archaeologists by surprise.

Was going to put it in spinoffs but perhaps it is too dated (last week.) Interesting stuff.

109

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:22:16am

re: #100 reine.de.tout

TehranBureau has been accurate all along.

Yes - as have StopAhmadi and persiankiwi.
The others (change for iran, iran09, madyar) are as accurate as they can be, but do not seem to check as diligently as the other three.

110

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:22:38am

Vanak Square reportedly full of civilian-dressed forces (lebas shakhsi)

from a live blog:

5:55
Houses in alleys opening doors to injured protestors,hallway is full of beaten people!
5:56
Police have closed off Tehran University

111

snowcrash Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:22:47am

re: #65 albusteve

Great link. Love Rich Lowry and consider him to be the next Charles Krauthammer.

112

pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:23:03am

re: #107 lawhawk

Unconfirmed report of a bomb blast in Tehran; possibly mosque where Khamenei preaches.

Uh oh!

If true, it could easily be a "plant", designed to give a pretext for extreme suppression.

113

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:23:10am

re: #109 yma o hyd

Yes - as have StopAhmadi and persiankiwi.
The others (change for iran, iran09, madyar) are as accurate as they can be, but do not seem to check as diligently as the other three.

Watch for one called "stopahmadi2", I think it's different from StopAhmadi.

114

Lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:23:47am

re: #107 lawhawk

I understood it was Khomeini's shrine. (Uncomfirmed of course) Wow.

115

Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:23:59am

This is what that Stonehenge sunset reminds me of:

Image: 37489717__1239537846__1__1-0995c15d00d9ca02af074cbb5103632b.__big__.jpg

116

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:24:02am

Latest tweets:
'Vanak Square reportedly full of civilian-dressed forces (lebas shakhsi)'
(tehranbureau)

'iranbaan reports of mass arrests in #tehran. ppl gathered for #iranelection rally r being detained'
(Winston08)

117

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:24:38am

JoanneMichele: RT Iran-Battles between riot police and protesters Enghelab sq, two injured in bomb attack Khomeini shrine. #iranelection #GR88 #Mousav

from Winston:

rt @iranbaan says police preventing ppl from gathering #iranelection

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:24:46am

re: #115 Jimmah

This is what that Stonehenge sunset reminds me of:

[Link: nottingham.gumtree.com...]

Jimmah ... whacked ... you need a nap ...

119

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:25:20am

re: #113 reine.de.tout

Watch for one called "stopahmadi2", I think it's different from StopAhmadi.

I'm not following him/her, so those tweets don't show up on my Tweetdeck.
There are many attepts by the security forces to thwart the real twitters, and to spread misinformation.

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:25:42am

...Opponents of the Bush Doctrine, including Obama, first claimed that Arabs, and Muslims in general, are not ready for democracy. Once this was proved not to be the case in so many countries, the same people claimed that democracy would only bring the Islamists to power. However, that, too, was proved wrong. In Pakistan’s latest general election, the Islamist share of the vote shrunk from 11 percent to 3 percent. In Iraq, the Islamist parties were defeated across the board in municipal elections. In Kuwait, the Islamist bloc in the parliament was cut by half. In Lebanon, Hezbollah won 11 of the 128 seats in the parliament, and the coalition under its leadership failed to win a majority.
The statement, “Democracy cannot be imposed by force,” is often made by Obama as if it were the cleverest of philosophical observations. However, we know that democracy can be imposed by force, as happened in West Germany, Japan, and Italy, among other places, after the Second World War. In any case, what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq was not the imposition of democracy by force, but the use of force to remove impediments to democracy. Imagine using force to topple the despots in Burma or Zimbabwe. Would that not remove impediments to democracy?

In the case of Iran, the phrase was used to reduce the debate to a choice between preemptive war, regarded as the original sin, and preemptive surrender. Because we don’t want war with Iran, let us surrender to the mullahs! Opponents of the Bush Doctrine had hoped for “a shot at a democratic election” to prove that there was no need for regime change in Tehran. Something that looked like a free election would have made it easier for Obama to sell his appeasement policy. We now know that the theory of “evolution within the Islamic regime,” so dear to Joe Biden, is pure nonsense. Totalitarian regimes cannot reform themselves.
...

Light on the Night
Inside Iran.

Obama is a coward.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:07am

Iran...the unwelcome distraction

3) Obama has no idea what to do about Iran, and he knows it. Our President has always resembled Chance the gardener in Being There. It is easy to imagine that he is acutely aware that a few short years ago he was a State Senator in Illinois and that he is utterly unqualified to deal with matters as weighty as what is now transpiring in Iran. On this theory, his silence manifests an appropriate modesty.

[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:38am

BlackMagic63: RT @WomanWrites RT BREAKING NEWS mausoleum Khameini been hit by bomb. #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 #Mousavi
belfastangel: Bomb are not part Mousavi protests, may be other groups such as MKo or gov itself. #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 #Mousavi

RT @Rduk Blast at Khomeini Shrine: laying the blame on protesters --> legitimation to mass killing #iranelection #gr88
less than a minute ago from web

MoraJamesLaw: RT @oxfordgirl: Police use tear gas and water cannon at Enghelab sq, raging battles being reported Press TV. #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 ...

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snowcrash Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:47am

re: #115 Jimmah

Reminded me of the album cover of the Houses of the Holy. Albums...long time ago. lol

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:26:50am

re: #120 J.D.

He is - certainly a moral coward.

(I bet he's now smoking three packs of ciggies a day!)

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Sharmuta Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:27:19am

Witnesses: police clash with Tehran protesters

Witnesses say police are using tear and water cannons to disperse thousands of protesters rallying in Tehran to demand a new presidential election.

English-language state TV says a blast at the Tehran shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wounded two people. The report could not be independently confirmed.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:27:27am

re: #111 snowcrash

Great link. Love Rich Lowry and consider him to be the next Charles Krauthammer.

indeed...he has been well groomed and is very bright...there really are some brilliant conservatives out there

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:27:32am

re: #110 reine.de.tout

Houses in alleys opening doors to injured protestors,hallway is full of beaten people!

How horrible.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:27:57am

re: #115 Jimmah

Gotta go with this one

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:28:11am

re: #125 Sharmuta

Witnesses: police clash with Tehran protesters

Witnesses say police are using tear and water cannons to disperse thousands of protesters rallying in Tehran to demand a new presidential election.

English-language state TV says a blast at the Tehran shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wounded two people. The report could not be independently confirmed.

Tweets about that. Accuracy unknown.

belfastangel: Bomb are not part Mousavi protests, may be other groups such as MKo or gov itself. #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 #Mousavi

RT @Rduk Blast at Khomeini Shrine: laying the blame on protesters --> legitimation to mass killing #iranelection #gr88
less than a minute ago from web

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jim in virginia Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:28:20am

re: #122 reine.de.tout

Reichstag fire.

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Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:28:57am

re: #118 JacksonTn

Jimmah ... whacked ... you need a nap ...

I've actually got a splitting headache now, so I think I'll take your advice and have a lie down for a while.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:28am

'Shooting directly to the people in Azadi ST #IranElection'
From madyar.

'central tehran: "crowds are out there and police force, riots and basijs."'
From tehranbureau

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:31am

re: #131 Jimmah

I've actually got a splitting headache now, so I think I'll take your advice and have a lie down for a while.

Jimmah .... hey ... I was just kidding ... but hope you get better ...

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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:29:31am

The worst part of these sort of things (as an outsider) is that while I'm fervently rooting for the Iranians to prevail, I know for that to happen it all has to come to a head. When it does, violence is inevitable, so it gives me the uncomfortable feeling that I'm "rooting for" violence.

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Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:30:15am

re: #123 snowcrash

Reminded me of the album cover of the Houses of the Holy. Albums...long time ago. lol

I remember that - that was pretty garish. BBL.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:31:45am

'6:01
metro/subway is closed...'
[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

Makes sense - prevent people from fleeing to safety, from getting away from the bullets and teargas and beatings.

Security force tactics used the world over ...

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:31:52am

supergeekygrrl: Several news outlets are reporting a bombing at Khomeini Shrine; supposedly 2 deaths, but unconfirmed. #iranelection #gr88 #iran

rrothfeldt: RT@TehranBureau: central tehran: "crowds are out there and police force, riots and basijs." #iranelection

supposedly today

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:31:54am

re: #134 Lincolntf

The worst part of these sort of things (as an outsider) is that while I'm fervently rooting for the Iranians to prevail, I know for that to happen it all has to come to a head. When it does, violence is inevitable, so it gives me the uncomfortable feeling that I'm "rooting for" violence.

ironic isn't it...how else can it be...freedom is bloody expensive and only the bravest earn it...precisely why the Mullahs don't want a high body count...imo

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:33:58am

The bomb explosion in the tomb of Khomeini has now been tweeted by more people.

Does anybody here really think this was done by the dissenters?
It looks to me as if this was much more something done by the government, to inflame the Ahmadinejad/Khamenei followers ...

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:34:52am

re: #139 yma o hyd

The bomb explosion in the tomb of Khomeini has now been tweeted by more people.

Does anybody here really think this was done by the dissenters?
It looks to me as if this was much more something done by the government, to inflame the Ahmadinejad/Khamenei followers ...

Some of the "tweets" are suggesting just that.

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TheMatrix31 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:35:43am

re: #134 Lincolntf

The worst part of these sort of things (as an outsider) is that while I'm fervently rooting for the Iranians to prevail, I know for that to happen it all has to come to a head. When it does, violence is inevitable, so it gives me the uncomfortable feeling that I'm "rooting for" violence.

You gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:11am

re: #140 reine.de.tout

Some of the "tweets" are suggesting just that.

It would make sense to me - I cannot imagine the security forces would leave that tomb, especially, unguarded!

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SlartyBartfast Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:36:12am

I'd closed my laptop in the bottom of another thread last night so when I opened it this morning and saw the title of the current front page article I thought, "Hmmmm...a small bicycle?"

(Mini-Schwinn)

Man, I should drink my first cup o' coffee then read the news...

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:37:19am

Adam503: #iranelection The bomb is a false flag attack

NOTainanmen: This is out of military coup playbook: blow something up and declare martial law.-- #iranelection #gr88

artispolitical: RT AlJazeera saying state controlled PressTV broke Imam Khomeini shrine bomb story. #iranelection #gr88 #tehran

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:38:04am

Music intermission ...

Don't Let Me Down ...

Youtube Video

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:18am

re: #143 SlartyBartfast

I'd closed my laptop in the bottom of another thread last night so when I opened it this morning and saw the title of the current front page article I thought, "Hmmmm...a small bicycle?"

(Mini-Schwinn)

Man, I should drink my first cup o' coffee then read the news...

You can ride a pig.
Ref : Mr. Pelosi

/ok that was mean but I despise her

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:39:24am

foreign policy disaster

[Link: toledoblade.com...]

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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:25am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Adam503: #iranelection The bomb is a false flag attack

NOTainanmen: This is out of military coup playbook: blow something up and declare martial law.-- #iranelection #gr88

artispolitical: RT AlJazeera saying state controlled PressTV broke Imam Khomeini shrine bomb story. #iranelection #gr88 #tehran

That would make sense. Wish there were some way to confirm the news. The tweets could be accurate or just one big rumor mill.

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:33am

re: #147 albusteve

foreign policy disaster

[Link: toledoblade.com...]

albusteve ... one-trick pony ... very accurate ...

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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:33am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

That was quick. It took Twitter about 3 minutes to declare it a "false flag" op. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was.
Though, we should bear in mind that there is the possibility that some of the protesters will use paramilitary tactics. By many reports, they're being shot at. That'll bring out the fight in people.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:40:53am

re: #145 JacksonTn

Music intermission ...

Don't Let Me Down ...

the rooftop gig...sweet, and the fifth Beatle on keys

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:41:54am

oren: RT @PhotoMad Blast news comes via gov, possibly to incite anger against protesters. DO NOT RETWEET about blast. Likely false. #IranElection

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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:16am

re: #147 albusteve

foreign policy disaster

[Link: toledoblade.com...]

I think they are calling the TOTUS a pamby.
I think they are right!

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:29am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Adam503: #iranelection The bomb is a false flag attack

NOTainanmen: This is out of military coup playbook: blow something up and declare martial law.-- #iranelection #gr88

artispolitical: RT AlJazeera saying state controlled PressTV broke Imam Khomeini shrine bomb story. #iranelection #gr88 #tehran

This is what the Guardian reports:
'2.25pm:
One person has been killed in an explosion near the shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, in Tehran, according to the Fars News Agency.

Two people were injured, Reuters quotes it saying. State TV has the same report, according to AP.'

My emphasis.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

If the state TV reports it - what chnces that the state had its dirty hands in that 'bomb' ...?

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:50am

re: #134 Lincolntf

The worst part of these sort of things (as an outsider) is that while I'm fervently rooting for the Iranians to prevail, I know for that to happen it all has to come to a head. When it does, violence is inevitable, so it gives me the uncomfortable feeling that I'm "rooting for" violence.

I understand the uncomfortable feeling. I've had it before.

You're not rooting for "violence" itself. How do I know? Because you say what you just did.

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freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:42:51am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

If course the problem is verifying the claims in those tweets. What is to be believed?

Other than actual (unmodified) video of events can be gathered, the truth is like a whisper, hidden by a 100,000 wildly bellowing football fans.

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KansasMom Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:01am

re: #150 Lincolntf

That was quick. It took Twitter about 3 minutes to declare it a "false flag" op. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was.
Though, we should bear in mind that there is the possibility that some of the protesters will use paramilitary tactics. By many reports, they're being shot at. That'll bring out the fight in people.

The sad thing is that I'm beginning to trust the twitters more than I would have trusted reports from the MSM, if there wasn't a blackout.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:20am

oren: RT @PhotoMad Blast news comes via gov, possibly to incite anger against protesters. DO NOT RETWEET about blast. Likely false. #IranElection

TruthTempest: #IranElection #CNN #gr88 @CNN just mentioned that they could believe that Mausoleum Blast may not have happened. May be cover for shootings.

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Lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:23am

re: #152 reine.de.tout

One more time, thanks for the Tweets since this began. I finally broke down and am now a Twitterer, too. A silent one, but a twitterer all the same.

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:43:50am

re: #157 KansasMom

The sad thing is that I'm beginning to trust the twitters more than I would have trusted reports from the MSM, if there wasn't a blackout.

KM ... many tweeters are slamming CNN ... saying they are relying on Iran television ... figures ...

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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:11am

An Australian senator whose crying toddler was ejected from parliament during a political vote has prompted a review of chamber rules and sparked a heated debate over child-friendly work practices.

Australian Greens Senator Sarah Hanson-Young said she was "humiliated" when Senate President John Hogg ordered her teary 2-year-old daughter removed from the parliamentary chamber before a vote, in accordance with parliamentary rules.

"It shows that parliament is still based on a very male model and I just think it's absolutely ridiculous," said Women's Electoral Lobby Chairwoman Eva Cox.

Hogg said he was responsible for "proper conduct" in the upper house, but supported a review of rules which bar children and other outsiders from the Senate during votes.

The Senate leader of the conservative Nationals party Barnaby Joyce said Hanson-Young had staged a stunt and could have avoided being caught out during a locked-door vote, with bells alerting all lawmakers beforehand.

"Within that Senate are votes for things that might send people to war, that might get people killed. This requires certain sacrifices," Joyce said. "The child is a prop and the Senate has become a stage."

SNIP

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:30am

Newest reports are that the shrine bomb was reported by state TV; could very well be false reports.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:36am

Now that has to be a rumour:
'rt @iranbaan the blast in khomeini's grave was the work of a shoe-bomber. @mkhammer @cnn'
(From Winston)

How can they know, after such short time, that it was a shoe bomber?
Rumour!

164

FrogMarch Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:38am

cute vittle piggies.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:44:51am

re: #153 VioletTiger

I think they are calling the TOTUS a pamby.
I think they are right!

where are his supporters here at LGF?...this is not Letterman or a bank takeover...this is where the rubber hits the road and good people die and his droolers are elsewhere...where is their liberalism now?

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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:14am

re: #159 Lincolntf

One more time, thanks for the Tweets since this began. I finally broke down and am now a Twitterer, too. A silent one, but a twitterer all the same.

I signed up too, but somebody already had my nic. And here I thought I was so original.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:24am

TehranBureau, generally accurate:

Very suspicious of reports from state tv about blast at Khomeini Shrine. if it did indeed happen, will obviously be used against protesters

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:43am

In Iran, you win or you die
By David Warren, The Ottawa Citizen

Everything is on the line in Iran, at present -- not only the future of the Iranian regime, but also of the Middle East, and by extension, the most tangible western interests.

Consider: if the Iranian regime were to fall, by far the largest organized threat to peace in the region would be removed. This includes not only a fairly proximate nuclear threat to Israel (for all we know North Korea's second nuclear test was actually Iran's first), but sponsorship of the most efficient part of the world's Islamist terror apparatus.

Hezbollah and Hamas are both, today, for all practical purposes, Iranian proxies. Through them, and through other channels, the regime of the ayatollahs makes money, materiel, and expertise available to terror cells as far away as Argentina, Sweden, the Philippines.

But more significantly, Hezbollah and Hamas together represent an Iranian veto on any Palestinian settlement, or any attempt to ameliorate that conflict, with all that that implies.

The Syrian regime, most dangerous of Israel's neighbours, would, in the absence of Iranian support, have to make accommodations, indeed find new allies.

North Korea's chief conduit into the illicit Middle Eastern arms trade would be lost.

The principal external threat to Iraq would be removed, along with sponsorship of Iraq's own domestic insurgencies. Afghanistan would also be more secure.

In economic terms, the threat of a world crisis provoked by the interdiction of oil shipments from the Persian Gulf would disappear.

Both Russia and China would lose a very important lever of influence on world affairs.

If the ayatollahs come down, the whole world situation is changed, and in every conceivable way for the better. It is impossible to overestimate the stakes of the insurrection in Iran.

As I've written before, the "election rigging" fiasco was of no consequence, except as the spark that ignited this latest and largest of several successive popular insurrections.

As Amir Taheri has put it, the opposition candidate who lost the rigged election, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is just "a balloon that a section of the Iranian middle class inflated to show its anger not only at Ahmadinejad but also at the entire Khomeinist regime."

Likewise, very naive foreigners, such as Barack Obama of the United States, vested foolish hopes in him as some kind of velvet revolutionary.

But in the course of the last week, events have transformed the issue.

Ayatollah Khamenei's extremely forthright statement to the demonstrators Friday clarified the situation. The regime understands that its very existence is at stake. So do its opponents. You win, or you die.

The demands of the people in the streets -- and there have been quite literally millions of them, turned out in every significant Iranian town, invisible to western media holed up under house arrest in Tehran, but quite apparent through the Internet -- are unambiguous.

They want "regime change." They do not want an amelioration, but an end, to the morality laws, the thugs who enforce them, the secret prisons, the international brinkmanship, the terror networks, and the rest of the regime's infrastructure of power.

They explicitly want an end to the "Islamic Republic of Iran," which, as Taheri and others have long been explaining, is a triple oxymoron (it isn't Islamic in any orthodox sense, it isn't a Republic in any political sense, and it does not recognize Iran as a nation).
...

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:45:51am

re: #165 albusteve

where are his supporters here at LGF?...this is not Letterman or a bank takeover...this is where the rubber hits the road and good people die and his droolers are elsewhere...where is their liberalism now?

albusteve ... they pick and choose which threads are Obama friendly ... tag teams ...

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:01am

re: #144 reine.de.tout

AlJazeera saying state controlled PressTV broke Imam Khomeini shrine bomb story.

Gee! ... ya' think?!?!

/I'm inclined to trust al Jazeera's motives in this matter

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SlartyBartfast Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:18am

re: #147 albusteve

Great article. Thanks for the linky.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:46:44am

re: #166 VioletTiger

I signed up too, but somebody already had my nic. And here I thought I was so original.

Well it is original!
Can't believe someone already had it.
Change it to French:
Le.Tigre.de.Violette
Or something.

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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:24am

re: #165 albusteve

where are his supporters here at LGF?...this is not Letterman or a bank takeover...this is where the rubber hits the road and good people die and his droolers are elsewhere...where is their liberalism now?

Eventually, reality will sneak up and smack even the most ardent supporters in the head. Eventually.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:46am

re: #169 JacksonTn

albusteve ... they pick and choose which threads are Obama friendly ... tag teams ...

they need a cozy room, and to play with ding buttons...fuck them

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:47:52am

re: #156 freetoken

If course the problem is verifying the claims in those tweets. What is to be believed?

Other than actual (unmodified) video of events can be gathered, the truth is like a whisper, hidden by a 100,000 wildly bellowing football fans.

Yes - it is a huge problem, verying these tweets.

On the other hand - as no 'foreign' reporter is even allwoed out of his office, and since especially these bomb news are reported in Iranian state-run TV - should we believe what they say?
We can't verify that either - and I'm inclined to make up my own mind using the tweets from those who have consistlently been accurate in distinguishing between what is confirmed and what is rumour.

Some of them are not tweeting right now - I hope they are all right!

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:18am

re: #174 albusteve

they need a cozy room, and to play with ding buttons...fuck them

We can play with ding buttons, too.
Just dinged you up.
And Jax'n.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:48:48am

re: #159 Lincolntf

One more time, thanks for the Tweets since this began. I finally broke down and am now a Twitterer, too. A silent one, but a twitterer all the same.

Heh - me too!

'twas reine who got me cracking ...!

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brucee Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:49:15am

re: #92 alegrias

NOW is the time for all good Iraqis to come to the aid of their Shiite neighbors.

(return some of their terrorist IEDs).

Mr. Al Maliki, the PResident of Iraq, spent many years hiding out in Iran, he should speak out against this terrorist regime as Pres. George Bush did, and distinguish himself from Pres. Obama the Carterite weakling terrorist accomodator.

He did distinguish himself. Maliki was one of the first ones congratulating Ahmadimonkey, alongside Thugo Chavez and Hamas. I believe Karzai was one of the early ones too.

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:49:50am

re: #176 reine.de.tout

We can play with ding buttons, too.
Just dinged you up.
And Jax'n.

well that didn't come out exactly right...but you get my drift....I get pissy sometimes

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:04am

Interesting tweet:
bellichka: Jesus Christ on a Stick, WHY the fuck is CNN using Iran's state-run media as a credible source? Are they stupid? #iranelection #cnnfail

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:24am

re: #166 VioletTiger

I signed up too, but somebody already had my nic. And here I thought I was so original.

That happened to me as well - ws going to sign up as 'yma' - nope, no chance!

Had to fall back on some other Welsh nic.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:25am

Good morning y'all! From a hot (78 degrees going up to 99 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?! Well, I hope!
Oh and just to help you perk up your day, here's a song I posted very early this AM which I think some of you will like - but toin up dem speaker and let 'er rip for at least a minute or so until it get's really rollin'!

Youtube Video

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:32am

re: #179 albusteve

well that didn't come out exactly right...but you get my drift....I get pissy sometimes

We all do.
Sometimes it's best to walk away for a bit.

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VioletTiger Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:50:58am

Breakfast!
BBL
(I'll skip the bacon for today)

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:51:19am

re: #181 yma o hyd

That happened to me as well - ws going to sign up as 'yma' - nope, no chance!

Had to fall back on some other Welsh nic.

How the heck could anybody else be using "Yma"?
I used to think it was "amy" spelled backwards, but then it didn't work for the whole nic, and so I was confused. Finally looked it up.

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:51:23am

...Steve Clemons, an analyst at the New America Foundation, a policy research institute in Washington, said the situation exposes the confines of Obama’s approach to foreign affairs.
“Obama is in a bind because he’s realizes that to some degree he is seen as this transformational figure” who speaks to the people over the heads of the leaders, Clemons said. “And now he seems to be wanting to talk to the leaders and not their people whom he was reaching out to before.”

“There are limits to this transformation mystique that Obama has,” he said. “There are limits on what he can deliver on.”

Amen.
Iran’s Turmoil Creates Dilemma for Obama at Home and Overseas

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Mad Al-Jaffee Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:51:51am

Five or six of those little guys would easily fit in my smoker.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:52:16am

Winston08 also thinks this bomb was state-sponsored:

'my gut feeling is that the blast @ khomeini shrine was done by regime. it is their signature tactic at the hr of need #iranelection'

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:52:37am

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Interesting tweet:
bellichka: Jesus Christ on a Stick, WHY the fuck is CNN using Iran's state-run media as a credible source? Are they stupid? #iranelection #cnnfail

heh ... Iraq ... pre-invasion

/and CNN also ran the "Juba, the Baghdad Sniper" video, produced by none other than The Islamic Army In Iraq.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:04am

re: #185 reine.de.tout

How the heck could anybody else be using "Yma"?
I used to think it was "amy" spelled backwards, but then it didn't work for the whole nic, and so I was confused. Finally looked it up.

Must've been some other Welsh twitterer ...

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:16am

re: #180 reine.de.tout

Interesting tweet:
bellichka: Jesus Christ on a Stick, WHY the fuck is CNN using Iran's state-run media as a credible source? Are they stupid? #iranelection #cnnfail

Reine ... glad they are exposing CNN on this ... where is Christine Amanpourcrap? ... thought she was the CNN girl on Iran ... but hey ... she could be on tv now for all I know ... don't watch CNNObama Network ...

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:28am

andfashioned: RT @oxfordgirl: Mullahs seen out w/ protesters. Reps say many more on strts than being reptd in media. #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 #Mousavi

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freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:30am

re: #185 reine.de.tout

How the heck could anybody else be using "Yma"?

Well, Yma Sumac has had a cult following, of sorts. Perhaps a fan of hers is using that name?

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:54am

re: #189 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh ... Iraq ... pre-invasion

/and CNN also ran the "Juba, the Baghdad Sniper" video, produced by none other than The Islamic Army In Iraq.

Oh surely they are not that stupid.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:53:55am

re: #190 yma o hyd

Must've been some other Welsh twitterer ...

Don't welsh on us!

/*running like hell*

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:54:31am

re: #176 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine - I just updinged those two and you!
How are you feeling today and what the heck did the dentist do to you to cause you so much pain the other day?!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:09am

re: #192 reine.de.tout

Mullahs seen out w/ protesters

Potentially explosive.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:19am

re: #193 freetoken

Well, Yma Sumac has had a cult following, of sorts. Perhaps a fan of hers is using that name?

Yma Sumac is, I think, a backwards spelling of Amy Camus.

Yma O Hyd is a Welsh phrase for "still here", I believe.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:31am

Youtube Video

via tweet from madyar

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:55:48am

re: #197 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Potentially explosive.

exploding Mullahs are always a good thing

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:04am

re: #193 freetoken

Well, Yma Sumac has had a cult following, of sorts. Perhaps a fan of hers is using that name?

Could very well be!

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:27am

Good morning. Yesterday the Ayatollah Khamenei told a rally of the Bisiji & other thugs of his personal ailments & how the demonstrations bothered him.
He cried & they cried. It is interpreted as a signal to violently crack down.
Today should be pivotal.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:29am

re: #196 realwest

Good morning reine - I just updinged those two and you!
How are you feeling today and what the heck did the dentist do to you to cause you so much pain the other day?!

Oh, golly.
Tooth that had been crowned and root canaled, the root of the tooth cracked, and all they could do was extract. Back tooth, very difficult to get out. Plus they grafted some bone.

Much better today, though my jaw is still very sore.

204

SlartyBartfast Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:31am

re: #186 J.D.

“Obama is in a bind because he’s realizes that to some degree he is seen as this transformational figure” who speaks to the people over the heads of the leaders, Clemons said. “And now he seems to be wanting to talk to the leaders and not their people whom he was reaching out to before.”

"...to some degree he is seen as this transformational figure"? He's been selling that snake oil for almost two years now!

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:56:36am

re: #194 J.D.

Oh surely they are not that stupid.

IIRC, CNN ran it, at least on their website.
It's been a long time, but that's what a note I made to myself says.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:57:12am

re: #195 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Don't welsh on us!

/*running like hell*

You can run - but you can't hide from a properly angry Welsh ddraig!

(Thats 'dragon', in case you don't yet know!)

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:57:35am

wonder who this effin' idiot is:
redf: #iranelection EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP, TWITTERING ABOUT IRAN IS GOING TO DO SHIT ALL, GTFO OF MY INTERNET

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:08am

re: #204 SlartyBartfast

"...to some degree he is seen as this transformational figure"? He's been selling that snake oil for almost two years now!

And for him, personally, it worked.
To hell with the rest of the world.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:18am

Bomb story just might be a fake:

drew46n2: BREAKING BULLSHIT: CNN audience experiences electronic lobotomy after bing fed State TV bomb story & anchor yapping. #iranelection #CNNFAIL

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:49am

re: #200 albusteve

exploding Mullahs are always a good thing

Heh ... No, I meant that if clergy are actually out in the demonstrations, it seriously damages The Illustrious Supreme Leader's sanctimony.

/two Grand Ayatollahs have made public statements against the election

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freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:53am

re: #198 reine.de.tout

Yma Sumac is, I think, a backwards spelling of Amy Camus.

So the story goes... Yma Sumac was a stage name.

Maybe there are more Welsh fans out there than one would expect.

Many times I've tried to register a certain handle on a website, only to be told it was taken. Not what I would call common handles either (as you could tell from my LGF name.)

212

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:58:54am

nierika2012: RT According to people on the ground, Iranian State Television Reported on the blast, BEFORE it actually went off. #IranElection #gr99

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 6:59:41am

re: #206 yma o hyd

You can run - but you can't hide from a properly angry Welsh ddraig!

(Thats 'dragon', in case you don't yet know!)

*whimpering, limping down the street, heading for the ER*

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:22am

re: #207 reine.de.tout

wonder who this effin' idiot is:
redf: #iranelection EVERYBODY SHUT THE FUCK UP, TWITTERING ABOUT IRAN IS GOING TO DO SHIT ALL, GTFO OF MY INTERNET

There are quite a few of these idiots around - he's probably a raving moonbat.
The LLL seems to think - at least here in the UK - that this is no big deal, and dinenrjacket is not that bad surely ...

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:22am

Video supposedly from today.

Youtube Video

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:34am

re: #212 reine.de.tout

nierika2012: RT According to people on the ground, Iranian State Television Reported on the blast, BEFORE it actually went off. #IranElection #gr99

OMG!
If that turns out to be true!
ROFLMAO!

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SlartyBartfast Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:00:35am

re: #208 J.D.

Maybe if Alinsky had published, "Rules for Foreign Policy," BHO would have something to go on. As it is, he's "like Ned in the First Reader" (to borrow one of my father's phrases) and it shows.

God help all freedom-loving people in this world!

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:15am

Is it too much to ask for My President to at least get on board with The French?

Good lord, I never thought I'd say that.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:30am

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh ... No, I meant that if clergy are actually out in the demonstrations, it seriously damages The Illustrious Supreme Leader's sanctimony.

/two Grand Ayatollahs have made public statements against the election

And these are actually real ayatollahs, having studied and all.
Khamenei isn't, he was given the title as a honorific, so he could be amde into that 'supreme Leader'.

Grand Ayatollah Motazeri, btw, has been under house arrest for years - he came out first against the election fraud.

220

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:42am

I just went to CNN. They are actually running feeds from Iranian state television , just as was mentioned earlier in the thread.
They are saying that they are looking for other sources.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:02:51am

re: #203 reine.de.tout
OY! {reine} I'm so sorry - I've had all of my back teeth pulled, mostly for the same reason - root canaled, crowned, broken. VERY painful indeed. Glad you're feeling a little better today.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:03:10am

re: #213 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*whimpering, limping down the street, heading for the ER*

That'll teach you!

;-))

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:04:24am

re: #220 opnion

I just went to CNN. They are actually running feeds from Iranian state television , just as was mentioned earlier in the thread.
They are saying that they are looking for other sources.

opnion ... the did themselves in a long time ago and went over the edge when they started drooling over Obama ... they are not a news ...

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:04:38am

Good morning lizards!

Here are the most recent twitter comments from IranAnon in Tehran:

haven't seen any now but they always even have ambulances ready for us! if u can take ppl with ur own cars #iranelection

Do NOT briiiiiing ur small childreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen people! PLZ! #iranelection

text messaging service is still not active. only in some cases, irancell to irancell #iranelection

Streets look like its a rally for the police! stay calm please, it will only work if we r millions #iranelection

police have asked shops at enghelab to close at 1 and go home #iranelection

call whoever u want b4 u leave cuz when u leave there will be no cellphone sommunication #iranelection

our hearts r beating 10times faster but we r getting ready to go, it seems that they have started and so far so good #iranelection

just heard news, its getting as crowded as the other day at enghelab! Great, wish us luck, i'm going, bye #iranelection

new news! close to azadi they are starting to beat ppl up #iranelection

large groups please, stick together, they cant beat millions of us up! #iranelection

they r starting to beat ppl up areound azadi, stick in large groups #iranelection

when going home is the best time for basij to attack, stick together on the way back #iranelection

Let basij get tired first then go after them! #iranelection

THEY R BEATING EVERYONE UP #iranelection

They didn't let ppl gather in one place there are 2 policemen for 1 person #iranelection

bastards are all over the city SO MANY OF THEM #iranelection

ppl crying everywhere from the scenes they have encountered #iranelection

injured ppl in ppl's houses all aching all over #iranelection

SO MANY INJURED son't know if dead or not, even women are beaten #iranelection

everyone is injured and frightened SO BAD, so frightened, so full of hatred #iranelection

God help them.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:09am

re: #220 opnion

I just went to CNN. They are actually running feeds from Iranian state television , just as was mentioned earlier in the thread.
They are saying that they are looking for other sources.

no, duh!
Ya think?

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:05:57am

re: #203 reine.de.tout

I had that. Took two bone grafts.
Darvocet time.
Hope you feel better soon!

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:06:16am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Is that from "iranelection09", or just "iranelection"?

I know "iranelection09" is fairly accurate.
Don't know about "iranelection", that's a fairly new twitter.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:06:41am

From 'Cyberiranian:
'RT GUSDEEZ MSG FRONTLINE: Brave ppl not backing down. In fact they keep comming! Massive uprising going , #gr88 #Iranelection #tehran'

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:06:43am

re: #223 JacksonTn

opnion ... the did themselves in a long time ago and went over the edge when they started drooling over Obama ... they are not a news ...

CNN credibility has been shot for a long time & ABC has joined them.
Obama owns NBC. He mocks FNC because they do not fawn over him.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:07:30am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Here are the most recent twitter comments from IranAnon in Tehran:

God help them.

AMEN.

231

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:08:13am

Morning {real}.
It's going to be even hotter in Charlotte than here! We're supposed to end up at 93°. Drink lots and lots of H₂O!

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:09:09am

re: #225 reine.de.tout

no, duh!
Ya think?

Just wonder how hard that they are looking for other sources.
They are now saying that the State run feed needs to be taken with a grain of salt, so I'll at least give them that.

233

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:09:22am

So, what did President Bush know when he called North Korea and Iran the Axis of Evil.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:09:32am

re: #219 yma o hyd

Probably as a fantasy ... wouldn't it be something to see Motazeri walking down the street, surrounded by tens of thousands of silent Iranians?

/wouldn't the Supreme Leader crap in his pants!

235

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:10:26am

Reports: Iranian Police Clash with Protesters
By VOA News
20 June 2009

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:10:35am

re: #231 J.D. Good morning {J.D.} I intend to and to spend the day laying out on a beach towel.................under my air conditioner! LOL!
Hope you're well.
And I'm really pissed off that we can't seem to get truly reliable news from Iran.
Anyone heard from Winston 06 - his sources have proven themselves very reliable in the past?

237

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:10:41am

Monitoring this twitterfeed reminds me of sitting with all of you while streaming from Mumbai and the roosterfeed. The Iranian govt seems to have quite a lid on comms. Glad ways to twitter are working out.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:10:42am

re: #222 yma o hyd

That'll teach you!

;-))

*sob*

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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:10:55am

CNN?

Eason Jordan.

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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:08am

re: #233 lawhawk

So, what did President Bush know when he called North Korea and Iran the Axis of Evil.

And when did he know it?

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:15am

'Confirmed bomb at/near Khomeini Sqr. Iran state TV set up cameras to tape before blast occurred. Def govt. #iranelection RT'

[Link: twitter.com...]

Haven't come across this twitter before - so can't vouch for accuracy and reliability.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:15am

re: #227 reine.de.tout

Is that from "iranelection09", or just "iranelection"?

I know "iranelection09" is fairly accurate.
Don't know about "iranelection", that's a fairly new twitter.

Not sure. I've been reading IranAnon for days. This person posts comments now and then, usually a bunch at a time.

Name: Iran-e-Azad
Location: Tehran

I get the feeling this person is real the way they have been posting messages the past week.

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:31am

tweeting_nerd: CNN is reporting Press TV (Iran state tv) is masking any information about anything except info given by gov't.#iranelection

gee, ya think?

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:59am

re: #233 lawhawk

So, what did President Bush know when he called North Korea and Iran the Axis of Evil.

The score?

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:11:59am

re: #234 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably as a fantasy ... wouldn't it be something to see Motazeri walking down the street, surrounded by tens of thousands of silent Iranians?

/wouldn't the Supreme Leader crap in his pants!

Gawd - thats a wonderful fantasy!

I'd love to see that!

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:12:00am

re: #233 lawhawk
Good morning lawhawk! Presidnet Bush didn't know anything - he was just a dumb, hick cowboy, remember?!
I mean, really, Iran and N. Korea?
/

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:13:38am

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

Not sure. I've been reading IranAnon for days. This person posts comments now and then, usually a bunch at a time.

Name: Iran-e-Azad
Location: Tehran

I get the feeling this person is real the way they have been posting messages the past week.

Thanks - good to know!

After these last few days, one does get a sense of which twitter is reliable and which aren't.

The more reliable voices we have, the better!

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:13:43am

Today is the most dangerous day so far. The Regime has forbidden demonstrations & yet they are happening. The government is fighting for its life.
Obama has to say something, voting present ain't gettin it.

249

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:14:01am

First video of today's demonstrations?

Youtube Video

250

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:14:22am

Poster

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:14:33am

re: #247 yma o hyd

Thanks - good to know!

After these last few days, one does get a sense of which twitter is reliable and which aren't.

The more reliable voices we have, the better!

Agreed. I don't trust most of them.

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:14:39am

re: #246 realwest

I mean, really, Iran and N. Korea?
/

Pshaw.

253

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:15:09am

From winston08, a re-tweet:
'rt @iranbaan reports ppl fight the anti-riot police back by throwing stones'

I think winston knows this one, he uses him a lot.

254

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:15:39am

From Winston:
rt @iranbaan reports ppl fight the anti-riot police back by throwing stones #iranelection

255

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:16:26am

re: #253 yma o hyd
Afternoon {Yma} do y'all have Winston O6's blog addy handy?

256

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:01am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

Agreed. I don't trust most of them.

I've found these the most reliable:
* StopAhamdi
* persiankiwi
* iran09

These are real people, and reliable, but more excitable:
* madyar
* change for iran

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:37am

In the "let us hope" dept:

tollwut: #gr88 #iran09 #iranelection #Tehran BULLETIN -- HUNDREDS OF IRANIAN SECURITY FORCES INJURED IN RECENT CLASHES [Link: ff.im...]

This is interesting:

incognito23: RT Al jazeera asking why if no fraud in election, why would an innocent goverment crack down like this? #iranelection #Tehran #GR88 #Mousavi

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lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:17:49am

Youtube Video

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:18:33am

re: #255 realwest

Afternoon {Yma} do y'all have Winston O6's blog addy handy?

Hiya, {rw}!

Here it is:
[Link: thespiritofman.blogspot.com...]

He is also tweeting, here:
[Link: twitter.com...]

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:18:42am

re: #256 yma o hyd

I've found these the most reliable:
* StopAhamdi
* persiankiwi
* iran09

These are real people, and reliable, but more excitable:
* madyar
* change for iran

Thanks for those! Add IranAnon to most reliable.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:18:56am

re: #245 yma o hyd

Gawd - thats a wonderful fantasy!

I'd love to see that!

And if the IRGC riot police or the Basij laid a finger on him .... ?
Both Khamenei and ShortShit would meet Mussolini's fate.

262

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:19:23am

re: #258 lawhawk lawhawk it says Embedding disabled by request!

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:20:06am

re: #262 realwest

lawhawk it says Embedding disabled by request!

Click thru to youtube, and you can see it.
Just click it twice.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:00am

re: #255 realwest

Afternoon {Yma} do y'all have Winston O6's blog addy handy?

Here

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:17am

'Bastards! RT @ThinkIran Confirmed: Stay in Large Groups. Basij Uniformed or not, Beating Women & Children'

[Link: twitter.com...]

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:42am

Drago507: RT: @iraneema: Smoke covered all of Enghelab sq. and people are fighting back with stones. #iranElection #gr88
Sat Jun 20 - 9:20:37 am

jonacon: RT RT RT Basidj leaving after being confronted with the masses of people! #iranelection #gr88
Sat Jun 20 - 9:20:35 am

rosa6384: RT journalist from Iran: Imam Khomeini shrine explosion was the work of the regime, not terrorists, not the protesters. #iranElection #gr88

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:45am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks for those! Add IranAnon to most reliable.

Will do!

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:21:49am

re: #259 yma o hyd
Thanks {yma} but I don't twitter! And this is probably gonna be the only time I regret that I don't.

269

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:22:45am

Where is the Army , physically & mentally?
If the people are over brutalized today will the Army rally to the people or stay in their barracks?
Any regular army develops a code of honor, they do not like to turn on their own people & the Mullahs have to know that.

270

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:23:54am

re: #263 reine.de.tout
Thank you and OMG those are clearly gunshots - lots of gunshots!

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:24:20am

From VOA, in this order...
US Congress Condemns Violence Against Demonstrators in Iran
By Dan Robinson
Washington
19 June 2009

White House Welcomes US Congress Condemnation of Iran Violence
By Kent Klein
White House
19 June 2009

Both houses of Congress passed a resolution Friday condemning the Iranian government's violent response to protests after the disputed presidential election.
The resolution was introduced by Republicans who are frustrated that U.S. President Barack Obama has not more directly criticized the crackdown and Tehran's suppression of the Internet and mobile phones.

But White House spokesman Robert Gibbs Friday told reporters the resolution reflects the views Mr. Obama has consistently made clear. "Obviously, we welcome the resolution. We believe, despite the question, that it echoes the words of President Obama throughout the week," he said. ....

Sure it does.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:24:36am

re: #269 opnion

Where is the Army , physically & mentally?
If the people are over brutalized today will the Army rally to the people or stay in their barracks?
Any regular army develops a code of honor, they do not like to turn on their own people & the Mullahs have to know that.

Precisely!

273

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:25:04am

Another twitter not known to me, but for what its worth:
'Cntct frm Tehran: "We outnumber them We outnumber them." Protesters starting to figure out the numbers game '

[Link: twitter.com...]

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sngnsgt Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:25:20am

Obama Jib-Jab

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:13am

re: #268 realwest

Thanks {yma} but I don't twitter! And this is probably gonna be the only time I regret that I don't.

You don't need to twitter to read winston's tweets - just type that addy in and there you go!

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Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:42am

re: #273 yma o hyd

I wonder if they'll try to overrun the police.

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freetoken Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:49am

re: #269 opnion

You mean the army that dutiful sent a million young (very young) men to their deaths on Khomeni's wishes, to fight a useless war against Iraq? That army?

278

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:26:56am

re: #270 realwest
And there is scattered automatic gunfire too. But it doesn't look like those protestors are leaving, either!

279

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:27:14am

'Omid007 Reports: About 5000 Protesters pushing back Police, Bassij and Hezbollah to Azadi St.'

From Tehranbureau

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:27:52am

re: #279 yma o hyd

'Omid007 Reports: About 5000 Protesters pushing back Police, Bassij and Hezbollah to Azadi St.'

From Tehranbureau

Just saw that one.
Some other folks have "tweeted" that too.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:27:58am

re: #276 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I wonder if they'll try to overrun the police.

I think, from what I can see on twitter, that they will ahve a jolly good try!

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:28:40am

re: #276 Mr. In get Mr. Out

I wonder if they'll try to overrun the police.

I should think that'd be a plan...otherwise whats the point?...yake down the cops, strip them of their riot stuff and move on point to point

283

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:29:04am

winston08's blog has a link to this one. From what they are posting it sounds like the protesters are taking it to the security forces.

Two bomb blasts in Tehran
5:59
Many of people arrested
6:00
An explosion near the shrine of Khomeini,killing one person and minimum 2 people are injured
6:01
metro/subway is closed...
6:05
Shooting directly to the people in Azadi ST
6:07
Vanak Square reportedly full of civilian-dressed forces
6:08
Fars news agency: the blast occurred near the shrine of Iran's revolutionary founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
6:09
Amirabad was closed of my plain clothes basij, tear gas was used
6:10
50-60 basij bikers were present . the amount of people were 2000 in that area due to blockages of roads
6:35
HUNDREDS OF IRANIAN SECURITY FORCES INJURED IN RECENT CLASHES
6:42
Hard conflict in Enghelab Sq,Shooting directly to the people
6:50
Basidj leaving after being confronted with the masses of people!
6:53
polices & basijs are Launching Tear gas to people intermittently
6:55
injured protestors have nosebleeding due to gas used by police
6:56
Tehran protesters coming in waves, will go on till dark and beyond. This no longer rally but street fighting.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:29:45am

'Clashes spreading all over central Tehran, including Vali Asr Cr.'
'People reportedly attacking police near Laleh Park and pushing them back, first injury transferred to Khomeini Hospital near the clashes'
(Tehranbureau)

Apparently ppl r trying to assemble in another major Sq of #tehran. '
(Winston)

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:30:31am

re: #271 J.D.
What Gibbs meant to say was that it echoes what Obama has been thinking of saying - ya know, sorta like the day he thought about joining the Army during peacetime?!

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JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:30:36am

Obama needs to look at his video to the Iranian people during Norouz ...

hahaha ... he tries to speak Farsi at the end ...

The common humanity that binds us together? ... looking to the future for a renewed sense of hope? ...

A New Beginning? ... they are trying jerk ...

Youtube Video

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Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:31:17am

re: #282 albusteve

At some point, it seems, they'll need to do more than protest on the streets. If dinnerjacket has reached for power with the Revolutionary Guard, things may get a whole lot worse for the people on the streets.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:31:21am

re: #281 yma o hyd

I think, from what I can see on twitter, that they will ahve a jolly good try!

The riot police and Basij aren't out with heavy weapons.
You'll know the crap has hit the fan if the regime sends in the IRGC infantry

289

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:31:33am

re: #277 freetoken

You mean the army that dutiful sent a million young (very young) men to their deaths on Khomeni's wishes, to fight a useless war against Iraq? That army?

That Army had been purged of any suspected counter revolutionaries.
The Army has had a chance to mature & develop it's own culture since then. I doubt that the Mullahs are confident that the Army will act against their own people

290

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:32:01am

re: #285 realwest

What Gibbs meant to say was that it echoes what Obama has been thinking of saying - ya know, sorta like the day he thought about joining the Army during peacetime?!

You think he really thinks?

291

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:32:12am

'7:04
Shiraz: Intense conflict in Alam sq
7:05
Gunfire/sirens heard Tohid SQ
7:06
forces dont let ppl use cell phones. they beat anyone with a cell phone in hand'

[Link: shooresh1917.blogspot.com...]

292

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:32:17am

riot police have caught ppl in streets not letting them add up to ppl in enghelab street #iranelection
5 minutes ago from web

everywhere full of tear gases, esp in streets around enghelab-azadi #iranelection
4 minutes ago from web

293

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:33:13am

re: #281 yma o hyd
They're gonna need a helluva lot more than 5,000 people to do that.
Wonder if other protestors couldn't get there or decided to stay home?
What happened to the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated?!

294

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:33:44am

Here's another video, just came in, from madyar:

Youtube Video

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:33:57am

re: #289 opnion

That Army had been purged of any suspected counter revolutionaries.
The Army has had a chance to mature & develop it's own culture since then. I doubt that the Mullahs are confident that the Army will act against their own people

/unless they come out and flip it's over, the crowds will just get systematically beaten down

296

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:34:04am

re: #287 Mr. In get Mr. Out

At some point, it seems, they'll need to do more than protest on the streets. If dinnerjacket has reached for power with the Revolutionary Guard, things may get a whole lot worse for the people on the streets.

of course it will get worse...alot worse...this is just the opening salvo...the Mullahs are doing what they do best, earning the condemnation of the world, except for BO that is....he is way behind the curve at this point

297

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:34:23am

re: #270 realwest

Thank you and OMG those are clearly gunshots - lots of gunshots!

I would guess some gunshots, as the people cleared the street. It also would be that burning vehicle popping. I know this because some gangsters burned a vehicle on our street last spring at about 2am. There were lots of pops. We thought they might be gunshots also. And brilliant as we are, we ran outside to go make sure the neighbors next to the fire were awake, etc. The cops didn't show up until after the fire dept, which didn't arrive for more than 20 min. So, if it were a gang situation involving shooting and/or self defense, we would be on our own. I personally see the Iranian video as a public service announcement for Americans not to let the govt disarm all of us. People need to be choosing what level of defense they want for their homes and neighborhood streets.

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:34:51am

re: #293 realwest

They're gonna need a helluva lot more than 5,000 people to do that.
Wonder if other protestors couldn't get there or decided to stay home?
What happened to the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated?!

The government got on Twitter etc & spread disinformation that demonstrations were cancelled.

299

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:35:16am

re: #290 J.D.

You think he really thinks?

Gibbs? Yeah I think he really thinks!

300

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:35:21am

re: #291 yma o hyd

7:07
1 young man shot dead near Vali Asr Cr

7:08
Basij in EVERY square in Tehran

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:35:40am

re: #293 realwest

They're gonna need a helluva lot more than 5,000 people to do that.
Wonder if other protestors couldn't get there or decided to stay home?
What happened to the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated?!

Apparently, many were prevented from assembling by the security forces, many were 'dispersed' by teargas and shootings.

That they still gather so many is amazing.

Also - as I reported from tha blog a few posts up - there are protests going on in other towns, like Shiraz.

This is not just happening in Tehran.

302

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:36:19am

Reports claiming that the police are loading protesters onto trucks en masse.

303

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:36:30am

Yea, WAY TO GO... you tell them United Nations... That'll stop that nasty government... (/////)

"The legal basis of the arrests that have been taking place, especially those of human rights defenders and political activists, is not clear," said Navi Pillay, high commissioner for human rights . "It is the responsibility of the government to ensure that militia members and regular law enforcement agencies do not resort to illegal acts of violence."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:36:44am

Anonymous said...

News News News News News News News News News News News News News News News

The people are stronger than ever, old and young, student and others are all together on streets. We stand together, fall with each other.

People shout "I will kill, he who killed my brother".

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:36:56am

re: #295 Killian Bundy

/unless they come out and flip it's over, the crowds will just get systematically beaten down

That's what I think, the Iranian Regular Army is key.
If they move out & support the people, Obama will have to find the Mullahs tropical beach houses

306

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:37:10am

'VOA Persian Service is in touch live with protesters in #tehran'

From winston

307

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:37:29am

re: #299 realwest

Gibbs? Yeah I think he really thinks!

You give him more credit than I do.

308

MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:38:33am

Andy Barr from Politico.com. Has he always been a whore for FCBBHO?

309

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:38:35am

re: #302 lawhawk
reports from where?

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albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:38:48am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

Yea, WAY TO GO... you tell them United Nations... That'll stop that nasty government... (/////)

"The legal basis of the arrests that have been taking place, especially those of human rights defenders and political activists, is not clear," said Navi Pillay, high commissioner for human rights . "It is the responsibility of the government to ensure that militia members and regular law enforcement agencies do not resort to illegal acts of violence."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

don't forget their Al-Mirandi Rights!

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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:05am

re: #308 MandyManners

Andy Barr from Politico.com. Has he always been a whore for FCBBHO?

I just saw him on CNN.

312

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:08am

re: #310 albusteve

don't forget their Al-Mirandi Rights!

Good one Steve.

313

lawhawk Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:27am

More photos.

314

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:30am

ppl r not allowed to look out the window if they do their windows r broken #iranelection
less than a minute ago from web

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Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:36am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

Everyday the UN gives me another reason hate them and their efficiency to placate the enemy through lack of threat.

316

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:47am

re: #312 Walter L. Newton

Good one Steve.

I hate the UN with a burning passion...did you know that?

317

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:39:51am

'VOA Persian Service is in touch live with protesters in #tehran'
(Persiankiwi)

'From Tehran: they're killing people here'
(Tehranbureau)

318

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:40:53am

Looks like the protestors have rocks at a gunfight. Ugh.

319

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:41:07am

'VOA Persian is taking call from across #iran. callers sound angry & report heavy clashes -

winston

320

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:41:10am

'Today the world can see why we want our freedom from fascists - #Iranelection'
(Persiankiwi)

321

EmeraldLakeEyes Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:41:28am

Charles,
Do you have any idea why the little green football has replaced the blue circle in the address bar when I visit other sites? Very strange.

322

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:41:33am

re: #310 albusteve

don't forget their Al-Mirandi Rights!

ROFLMAO! Very funny.

323

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:41:50am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton
UNHCR Concerned About Arbitrary Arrests in Iran

..."She strongly urges the authorities to ensure that official and semi-official forces act strictly in accordance with the law," he said. "It is the responsibility of the government to ensure that militia members and regular law enforcement agencies do not resort to illegal acts of violence. If they are perceived to be acting outside the law, it could provoke a serious deterioration in the security situation, which would be a great tragedy and is in nobody's interests," he added.
The High Commissioner has reminded the Iranian authorities they have signed several International Conventions that guarantee no one should be subjected to arbitrary arrest or detention and guarantee the right of freedom of speech and assembly. She said they should live up to their legal obligations.

Good luck with that.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:42:03am

re: #303 Walter L. Newton

Ms. Pillay should be parachuted into Tehran to do an on-site inspection.
I volunteer to pack the chute.

/heh ... I know nothing about it

325

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:42:18am

tehranbureau:
the city is boiling over, is a mess

some forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people

326

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:42:23am

re: #313 lawhawk

More photos.

They aren't from today I don't think - haven't seen any home video or cameraphone video showing that many people in the streets.
The camels humping, maybe from today!

327

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:43:07am

7:13
Heavy clashes on azadi street, chants of death to khameni Street full of rocks & fire

7:15
City closing down w/antiriot forces & police. People beaten with knives, batons.Things going downhill.

7:16
Tehran police fire shots into the air to disperse rival supporters in Karegar street

328

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:43:09am

'some forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people'
Tehranbureau

'tonight to the streets - for freedom - #Iranelection RT RT RT'
Persiankiwi

'the military is there too'
Tehranbureau

329

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:43:31am

re: #318 Sunlight

Looks like the protestors have rocks at a gunfight. Ugh.

This Bisiji group seem like the equivalent of the Hitler Youth.
They are cruising on motorcycles & accosting protestors.

330

Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:44:08am

re: #325 reine.de.tout

some forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people

/the "refusing to attack" need to pick a side

331

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:44:13am

re: #325 reine.de.tout

tehranbureau:
the city is boiling over, is a mess

some forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people

These forces are the folks speaking with foreign accents reported yesterday to be Hizzies and/or Palis?

332

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:44:27am

'trucks blasting water at the people'
'also blasting "water guns" at people'

Tehranbureau

333

lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:44:38am

Fox just showed video with a running crowd in the street, a fiery (small) explosion, smoke in the air, a few people pushing waste bins, etc. around the street (possibly to light afire?). The video was id'ed as being from today.

334

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:45:17am

re: #329 opnion Hey opnion - well based on some of the twitter reports above some of the Bisiji group are being attacked and yanked off their motorcycles.

335

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:45:52am

re: #316 albusteve

I hate the UN with a burning passion...did you know that?

I know, they have a black helicopter with your name on it. :)

336

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:45:54am

'they're throwing something, i don't know what exactly, at people's bodies'

'basij is even attacking young girls and women'

Tehranbureau

337

itellu3times Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:46:44am

Che Guevara's granddaughter poses semi-naked for animal rights... with a string of carrots for ammo

338

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:47:04am

Just coming back over here to check in and laugh at Albusteve's post... then I go back to twitter where it says 1227 more results... refresh to see them.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:47:19am

re: #336 yma o hyd
{yma} "'basij is even attacking young girls and women' " Well why the hell wouldn't they - it's not like they're civilised people after all.

340

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:47:30am

re: #334 realwest

Hey opnion - well based on some of the twitter reports above some of the Bisiji group are being attacked and yanked off their motorcycles.

Hi Real , I have heard that. The Bisiji seem like the real psycho bully boys.
They need to be neutralised somehow.
In your opinion will the Army get involved?

341

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:48:10am

Certainly in some places the basiji are going in with excessive force, it would seem.

We must keep in mind that tehse tweets are from single people, who cannot see and know everything that happens - there seem to be many different groups clashing with the police in Tehran. Its not just happening in one place.

342

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:48:16am

Suicide Bomber in Tehran?

A blast at a Khomeini shrine, according to Reuters:
TEHRAN (Reuters) - A suicide bomber blew himself up near the shrine of Iran's revolutionary founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, in Tehran on Saturday, Iran's semi-official Mehr news agency reported.

"A few minutes ago a suicide bomber blew himself up at the shrine," Mehr quoted a police official, Hossein Sajedinia, as saying.
Two other people were wounded in the incident in the northern wing of the shrine, another news agency, Fars, said.

I think some skepticism is in order about who's behind this incident.

343

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:48:31am

7:18
one person dead at sattar khan st.

344

Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:49:00am

Anyone still believe this is about the election?

/just sayin'

345

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:49:28am

re: #339 realwest

{yma} "'basij is even attacking young girls and women' " Well why the hell wouldn't they - it's not like they're civilised people after all.

True!

But it must be very shocking for those young people out on the streets just now - I don't think they've seen anything like that in their lives.

346

Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:49:56am

re: #344 Killian Bundy

Anyone still believe this is about the election?

/just sayin'

Not me. Sad to say its looking like the bad guys are going to win.

347

JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:50:36am

re: #344 Killian Bundy

Anyone still believe this is about the election?

/just sayin'

KB .. no .... the scab was just pulled off .. I am thinking these young people are not wanting to get blown to bits by Israel or anyone else because of the jerkoffs who now control their country ...

348

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:50:50am

re: #342 J.D.

People ahve said that this was filmed by the state TV - and the cameras were there even ebfore the 'bomb' went off.

The general opinion coming from Tehran twitetrs is that this was a ploy by the security forces - it ahd nothing to do with the dissenters.

349

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:51:24am

TehranBureau:

ome forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people

they're throwing something, i don't know what exactly, at people's bodies

basij is even attacking young girls and women

one of my friends got smacked so hard she has lost hearing in one ear

another friend's arm has broken

things are horrible, please pray for us

my young sister has taken to the streets as well
she hasn't returned

i'm dying with worry. please pray for us.

there are massive amounts of people at Enghelaab Sq

pedestrians have filled up Qods street and the square

350

albusteve Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:51:37am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Not me. Sad to say its looking like the bad guys are going to win.

too soon to tell...the basij will tire sooner or later

351

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:52:32am

TehranBureau:
forces dressed as civilians are beating on people and using tear gas to keep them from entering the square, they are being dispersed into lower streets

352

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:52:32am

re: #344 Killian Bundy

Anyone still believe this is about the election?

/just sayin'

Not any more. They are fed up and see an opportunity I think. Read this letter posted on winston08's blog.

I may die...

This is a brief letter written by an Iranian woman who is going to attend the anti-regime rally tomorrow:
I'll participate in the rally tomorrow in Tehran. It might be violent. I may be one of those who will die tomorrow. I want to listen to all beautiful tunes that I have heard in my life, again. I want to listen to some cheap Los Angeles made Iranian music. I always wanted to have much narrower eyebrows too. Yeah, I'll check in with my hair-dresser tomorrow before I go to the rally. Oh, there are some excellent scenes in the famous Iranian movie Hamoon I want to see before I leave. And I gotta re-visit my own bookshelf. Iran's poets Shamloo's and Farrokhzad's poems are worth re-reading. I've to see the family photo albums once again.

I'll have to call my friends and say good-bye to them. In this big world, my possession is only two bookshelves. I've already told mom and dad whom to give these books to in case I never come back. There are only two more courses left for me to get my BA degree but to hell with the degree. I'm anxious and excited.

I wrote these scattered words for the future generations so that they know we were not sentimental or uselessly emotional. I'm writing this so they know we did every thing in our power to make this work for them and so that they realize if our forefathers surrendered to the Arab and Mongolian invaders physically, but they didn't give in to their tyranny with their spirits. They resisted it. And I wrote this for tomorrow's children...

353

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:53:06am

I think this paragraph, at the end of a CNN on line article, is part of the larger reason why the main stream media is loosing their position as the "go to" people for truth..

"Because of the Iranian government's restrictions on newsgathering, CNN could not independently verify the reports."

What has happened to the journalistic spirit, to find the truth, to dig for it if needed, to show some mettle the get the facts and then the courage to stand behind what you are reporting?

354

MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:53:16am

CNN has a guest on who's wearing a distinctive green tie.

355

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:53:17am

re: #340 opnion

Hi Real , I have heard that. The Bisiji seem like the real psycho bully boys.
They need to be neutralised somehow.
In your opinion will the Army get involved?

I don't know enough about the Iranian Army - but I sorta doubt it - they are no match in terms of equipment or frankly, zeal, for the Revolutionary Guards. But geez, if they supplied AK-47's, ammo and some RPG's to the "dissidents" the regime would be in BAD shape.

356

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:53:18am

They are not giving up:
'There are massive amounts of people at Enghelaab Sq'

Tehranbureau

357

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:53:36am

CNN not getting a lot of respect:

TBJ: BREAKING NEWS: Ted Turner announces merger between CNN & Iran State TV. Fact checkers reassigned to janitorial duties #CNNFAIL #iranelection

358

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:54:16am

we hear shooting sounds everywhere #iranelection
4 minutes ago from web

359

MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:54:35am

re: #353 Walter L. Newton

I think this paragraph, at the end of a CNN on line article, is part of the larger reason why the main stream media is loosing their position as the "go to" people for truth..

"Because of the Iranian government's restrictions on newsgathering, CNN could not independently verify the reports."

What has happened to the journalistic spirit, to find the truth, to dig for it if needed, to show some mettle the get the facts and then the courage to stand behind what you are reporting?

They are not allowed to be there, Walter. Haven't their visas expired?

360

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:54:36am

re: #348 yma o hyd

It doesn't make much sense... not that that is unusual...

361

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:54:42am

re: #357 reine.de.tout

CNN not getting a lot of respect:

TBJ: BREAKING NEWS: Ted Turner announces merger between CNN & Iran State TV. Fact checkers reassigned to janitorial duties #CNNFAIL #iranelection

Ha, dovetails nicely with my comment re: #353 Walter L. Newton

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:54:58am

re: #350 albusteve

too soon to tell...the basij will tire sooner or later

Its a contest between breaking points. However, in such a contest fanatics always have the advantage. Hopefully the protesters are acting in waves so that once the Basiji are worn down they can be broken.

363

JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:02am

re: #357 reine.de.tout

CNN not getting a lot of respect:

TBJ: BREAKING NEWS: Ted Turner announces merger between CNN & Iran State TV. Fact checkers reassigned to janitorial duties #CNNFAIL #iranelection

Reine ... good send Roland Martin over to the Tehran bureau ... hell send the whole lot of them ... Anderson better watch out tho I hear they don't like gays over there ... can you tell I hate CNN? ...

364

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:13am

'From Enghelab Square up to Azadi Square tow helicopters are pouring down boiling water over poeples head #iranElection'
)madyar)

Dunno about 'boiling' water - but these helicopters have been mentioned by Winston as well.

365

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:25am

With the report of the bomb blast at the Shrine of Khomeine , I am reminded of a great moment in Iranian history.
When he died & was being paraded in his coffin through the streets, he actually fell out of it. It was a moment.

366

Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:46am

Winston80 brings up the shah's son, who has spoken out. He lives in the U.S. now. Maybe he can help them re-organize and *really* elect their leaders. And then maybe he can help us here figure out how to get voting back to non-cheater status.

367

MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:54am

I'm going fishing. Bye.

368

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:55am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Not me. Sad to say its looking like the bad guys are going to win.

It's early yet, Dark_Falcon - and access by public transportation has been cut off by the Regime - this is not gonna end today.
Especially not if some of the dissidents get weapons -AK's and RPG's.

369

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:55:57am

re: #361 Walter L. Newton

Ha, dovetails nicely with my comment re: #353 Walter L. Newton

Yep, LOL.
I posted it then noticed your comment.

370

J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:56:14am

Have fun Mandy!

371

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:56:27am

re: #359 MandyManners

They are not allowed to be there, Walter. Haven't their visas expired?

There are people all over the world that are "where" they shouldn't be. There is no honor in most journalist anymore. I don't care if their visas have expired.

People run around countries all the time with expired visas. Look around your neighborhood.

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MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:56:47am

re: #366 Sunlight

Winston80 brings up the shah's son, who has spoken out. He lives in the U.S. now. Maybe he can help them re-organize and *really* elect their leaders. And then maybe he can help us here figure out how to get voting back to non-cheater status.

Didn't Reza Pahlavi say the other day that he'd be willing to return as the leader of a constitutional monarchy?

373

reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:57:09am

re: #363 JacksonTn

Reine ... good send Roland Martin over to the Tehran bureau ... hell send the whole lot of them ... Anderson better watch out tho I hear they don't like gays over there ... can you tell I hate CNN? ...

I don't much like any of 'em anymore.
Twitter has better 'coverage' than anybody righ tnow.

374

MandyManners Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:57:11am

Gotta' go kill a few worms.

375

NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:57:17am

re: #367 MandyManners

I'm going fishing. Bye.

I predict a story about the big one that got away.

376

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:58:00am

Good Morning Lizards! After last night's nastiness, It is glorious in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

So, how is life this morning?

377

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:58:05am

re: #372 MandyManners

Didn't Reza Pahlavi say the other day that he'd be willing to return as the leader of a constitutional monarchy?

He was actually going to iran 'within the enxt 36 hours' - that was on Monday ... then it was '48 hours' - and now he's sill in the USA ...
Not saying that he didn't want to go - I am sure the iranians didn't let him in ...

378

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:58:22am

re: #362 Dark_Falcon

Its a contest between breaking points. However, in such a contest fanatics always have the advantage. Hopefully the protesters are acting in waves so that once the Basiji are worn down they can be broken.

And remember, the Basiji line AMONG the people, like the "block captains" in Cuba. The residents KNOW who these Basiji are. If there were SO many people in my neighborhood as mad as they are, and I was a Basiji, I'd get the hell out.

379

Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:58:32am

re: #357 reine.de.tout

CNN not getting a lot of respect:

TBJ: BREAKING NEWS: Ted Turner announces merger between CNN & Iran State TV. Fact checkers reassigned to janitorial duties #CNNFAIL #iranelection

LMAO!

380

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:58:33am

re: #374 MandyManners

Gotta' go kill a few worms.

Be gentle!

And don't let PETA know!

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reine.de.tout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:59:01am

Various from winston and TehranBureau:

reports from Azadi square and that whole area say very brutal clashes taking place

caller from tehran on VOA Persian says every body in #tehran street s beaten badly

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:59:18am

re: #366 Sunlight

Winston80 brings up the shah's son, who has spoken out. He lives in the U.S. now. Maybe he can help them re-organize and *really* elect their leaders. And then maybe he can help us here figure out how to get voting back to non-cheater status.

But the Supreme Leader said that voter fraud was against Muslim law. So there can't have been any shenanigans going on. Major Daley says the same thing about Chicago so they both have to be right.

/////

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 7:59:24am

7:20
some forces are refusing to attack the people, but basij and special forces are attacking people

7:22
Shiraz, Elm Square: very bad clash between the protesters and the basidj

7:23
pedestrians have filled up Qods street and the square

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:27am

re: #355 realwest

I don't know enough about the Iranian Army - but I sorta doubt it - they are no match in terms of equipment or frankly, zeal, for the Revolutionary Guards. But geez, if they supplied AK-47's, ammo and some RPG's to the "dissidents" the regime would be in BAD shape.

You think that the Revolutionary Guard can outgun the Regular Army?
You sure?

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:30am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

And remember, the Basiji line AMONG the people, like the "block captains" in Cuba. The residents KNOW who these Basiji are. If there were SO many people in my neighborhood as mad as they are, and I was a Basiji, I'd get the hell out.

Great comment Walter - but I suspect that the Basiji are not working their own neighborhoods - especially not the thugs on motorcycles.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:33am

Our Wisnton has this to tweet:
'I think #iranelection unrest is now bordering regime change & revolution in #iran. this wont stop until the regime s gone'

I hope he's right - and I hope its not going to be too costly in blood and death of the innocent.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:37am

Riot pilice standing at every street not letting ppl even go near enghelab #iranelection
3 minutes ago from web

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lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:43am

Alyssa Milano seems to be Tweeting about Iran. I clicked on her name and it seems to really be her. Just sayin'.
One more reason to dig that chick. Big baseball fan, too.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:00:45am

re: #377 yma o hyd

He was actually going to iran 'within the enxt 36 hours' - that was on Monday ... then it was '48 hours' - and now he's sill in the USA ...
Not saying that he didn't want to go - I am sure the iranians didn't let him in ...

Sure they would, and then they would hang him

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:01:34am

re: #389 Nevergiveup

Sure they would, and then they would hang him

Perhaps his Mom forbade him to go ...

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:02:05am

re: #378 Walter L. Newton

And remember, the Basiji line AMONG the people, like the "block captains" in Cuba. The residents KNOW who these Basiji are. If there were SO many people in my neighborhood as mad as they are, and I was a Basiji, I'd get the hell out.

The problem is that the Basiji are out in force. They're not going to be broken with one gallant rush. You have to wear them down. As realwest noted, this won't be over in a day.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:02:24am

'Eye Witness: At Least 20 injured Protesters transfred to Loghman Hospital in last 30 [now 50] mins.'
(Tehranbureau)

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:02:56am

It seems to be getting worse by the minute.

7:24
Enghelaab Sq is full of smoke/gas

7:26
From Enghelab Square up to Azadi Square tow helicopters are pouring down boiling water over poeples head

7:27
some forces refuse to attack the people

7:30
Gunshots continuously heard from Ghasr-ol-dasht street

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:03:23am

re: #384 opnion

You think that the Revolutionary Guard can outgun the Regular Army?
You sure?

I already said I don't know much about the Iranian Army, so no I can't be sure. I DO KNOW that the IRG has received the very best in equipment and are "zealous" beyond belief - and that they are supposedly controlled by Amadinnerjacket.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:03:31am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

Humans want Liberty!

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:03:34am

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that the Basiji are out in force. They're not going to be broken with one gallant rush. You have to wear them down. As realwest noted, this won't be over in a day.

Good points, both yours and Realwest.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:03:43am

'two ppl injured in ehghelab square--theyr aiming at ppl's legs-well I guess thts blood kind of them! #iranelection'

From madyar

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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:04:41am

re: #386 yma o hyd

Our Wisnton has this to tweet:
'I think #iranelection unrest is now bordering regime change & revolution in #iran. this wont stop until the regime s gone'

I hope he's right - and I hope its not going to be too costly in blood and death of the innocent.

And I hope the Iranians are looking for a regime that wants to live well on this earth, and not wipe the Israelis, Euro cities, etc. off the map (which would be someone other than Mousavi, from what people write). I still haven't seen a single tweet with that message. I take it Winston isn't monitoring over here...

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quiet man Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:04:43am

Really, how long will the Mullahs allow this to go on? How long will the people allow this to go on? Something has to give.

We have seen this before; the last guy to speak is usually the one with the gun in his hand.

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:05:28am

I'm just tuning in this morning.

Sadly, it looks like today in Iran is turning out to be as ugly as we had feared it might be.

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:06:14am

Christiane Amanpour now on CNN.
She is spouting the company line that the blast at the Khomeine Shrine was caused by a suicide bomber.
She did not even caution that it could have been caused by the government.

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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:06:41am

7:31
Shooting directly to the people in Amirabad ST

7:32
Gunfire at Satarkhan St.

7:34
At Least 20 injured Protesters transfred to Loghman Hospital in last 30st 20 injured Protesters transfred to Loghman Hospital in last 30

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:06:49am

re: #397 yma o hyd

'two ppl injured in ehghelab square--theyr aiming at ppl's legs-well I guess thts blood kind of them! #iranelection'

From madyar

Smart tactic: You immobilize the protester forcing his fellows to carry him to aid, thus further reducing their numbers. (I'm not approving of the Basiji, but from their perspective its a good tactic.)

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:07:32am

re: #398 Sunlight

And I hope the Iranians are looking for a regime that wants to live well on this earth, and not wipe the Israelis, Euro cities, etc. off the map (which would be someone other than Mousavi, from what people write). I still haven't seen a single tweet with that message. I take it Winston isn't monitoring over here...

I haven't made myself an expert on this. Mousavi does seem to be pretty much more of the same, but his wife has made many statements that really do seem to be radical and, dare I say it, progressive.

But it does it occur to me, as I prepare to drive out to Trader Joe's and buy a carload of Israeli products today, that many of these pro-Mousavi demonstrators would probably like to beat me to a pulp for doing that.

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:07:39am

re: #401 opnion

Christiane Amanpour now on CNN.
She is spouting the company line that the blast at the Khomeine Shrine was caused by a suicide bomber.
She did not even caution that it could have been caused by the government.

She's a useless bitch, isn't she?

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:08:05am

re: #394 realwest

I already said I don't know much about the Iranian Army, so no I can't be sure. I DO KNOW that the IRG has received the very best in equipment and are "zealous" beyond belief - and that they are supposedly controlled by Amadinnerjacket.

They are indeed zealots, but I think that they just have small arms.
I have to believe that the Regular Army has the big guns.

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lincolntf Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:08:18am

re: #401 opnion

She was on earlier. Totally minimizing the protesters and the protests. She was all pinched and stiff while trying hard to not mention the violent beatdowns we've been seeing for days.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:08:48am

And here is the official voice (via the Grauniad):

'3.55pm:
The police have attempt to portray the protesters as rioters by detailing the damage they have caused, and claimed public backing for a violent crackdown.

Iran's deputy police commander, Ahmad-Reza Radan, said 400 police have been wounded since last Friday's vote.

He claimed 10,000 complaints have been been made, according to state-run Press TV. "They have called on the police to deal with rallies firmly," he said.

"The recent rallies destroyed 700 buildings, burst 300 banks into flame, damaged 300 cars and 300 public properties," Radan added. '
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

A likely story!
Smears and spin, in the hope that something will confuse the Western onlookers ...

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

She's a useless bitch, isn't she?

Annoying as hell.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:09:11am

re: #407 lincolntf

She was on earlier. Totally minimizing the protesters and the protests. She was all pinched and stiff while trying hard to not mention the violent beatdowns we've been seeing for days.

Farkin' tool.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:09:37am

re: #398 Sunlight

And I hope the Iranians are looking for a regime that wants to live well on this earth, and not wipe the Israelis, Euro cities, etc. off the map (which would be someone other than Mousavi, from what people write). I still haven't seen a single tweet with that message. I take it Winston isn't monitoring over here...

Yes, he is - he has relatives living in Tehran, and gets twitter updates from people he trusts.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:03am

re: #406 opnion
Why do you say that? I mean in Iraq, Saddam's Republican guard had the best tanks, small arms and most of the RPG's (and don't underestimate what RPG's can do in a crowd of people).

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:06am

re: #400 Last Mohican

I'm just tuning in this morning.

Sadly, it looks like today in Iran is turning out to be as ugly as we had feared it might be.

And this is going to sound cold, maybe, but there would not have been any other outcome. The people are making their stand, and the Iranian government are responding as most people expected.

And I suspect the protestors knew this before hand. That's the chance they took, and they appear to be standing by their decision.

There is no way to erase what the world is seeing, the Iranian government has been forced to show the world it's heart of terror, in real time. No way to cover this up.

If anything, in the least, the world has been handed all the evidence they need about Iran and it's homicidal leadership.

Now, the next step will be up to the democracies of the world, and what they do with this evidence.

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:12am

re: #410 SasquatchOnSteroids

Farkin' tool.

And not the sharpest tool in the shed, either.

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:10:30am

re: #407 lincolntf

She was on earlier. Totally minimizing the protesters and the protests. She was all pinched and stiff while trying hard to not mention the violent beatdowns we've been seeing for days.

She is still doing that. She does not want to analyize why the demonstrations are smaller, even though teh host keeps pushing her.

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:12am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

And this is going to sound cold, maybe, but there would not have been any other outcome. The people are making their stand, and the Iranian government are responding as most people expected.

And I suspect the protestors knew this before hand. That's the chance they took, and they appear to be standing by their decision.

There is no way to erase what the world is seeing, the Iranian government has been forced to show the world it's heart of terror, in real time. No way to cover this up.

If anything, in the least, the world has been handed all the evidence they need about Iran and it's homicidal leadership.

Now, the next step will be up to the democracies of the world, and what they do with this evidence.

They'll do nothing, because to do something would mean war and they don't really want that.

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yochanan Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:30am

re: #146 SasquatchOnSteroids

you really have to go ask forgiveness from the pigs for that one.

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:37am

re: #405 Dark_Falcon

She's a useless bitch, isn't she?

If this keeps up in Iran, she is not going to come out smelling any better than the government there.

419

SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:11:43am

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

And not the sharpest tool in the shed, either.

Yep, she's just a dull used up hoe.

420

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:12:25am

re: #412 realwest

Why do you say that? I mean in Iraq, Saddam's Republican guard had the best tanks, small arms and most of the RPG's (and don't underestimate what RPG's can do in a crowd of people).

I'm speculating. I was not referring to the Revolutionary Guard's capability against the crowd, but against the Iranian Army with tanks & APC's etc.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:12:38am

From Iran09:
'Tehran is awake again! Police and militia forces on all major sq.s! Ppl are fighting back. Gotta go out again! #iranelection '

His first tweet this afternoon - I pray he keeps safe!

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:12:52am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

Now, the next step will be up to the democracies of the world, and what they do with this evidence.

I wish there were more evidence. It has occurred to me a few times that, though smuggling in guns and explosives for the demonstrators would probably be a counterproductive thing for the U.S. to do, sneaking them some video cameras might be useful. And sneaking their videotapes out, so that people can see what's going on.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:13:21am

re: #417 yochanan

you really have to go ask forgiveness from the pigs for that one.

Lord, I apologize for that Farkin' tool.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:14:20am

Photo, tweeted by both madyar and tehranbureau:

[Link: twitpic.com...]

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:14:55am

re: #412 realwest

Saddam's Republican guard had the best tanks

/73 Easting

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Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:15:10am

re: #420 opnion

I'm speculating. I was not referring to the Revolutionary Guard's capability against the crowd, but against the Iranian Army with tanks & APC's etc.

IRGC has better equipment than most of the army. The army has also been confined to barracks. They are not going to get involved, IMO.

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:15:11am

I know nothing about twitter. Do all these tweets from Iran get saved for posterity somewhere?

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:15:19am

And iran09 again:

'RT: We been beaten tortured & killed for 30yrs! Nothing the SUPREME LIAR says can break our will! #Iranelection #gr88'

This will not be over any time soon, I don't think ...

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:16:42am

re: #427 Last Mohican

I know nothing about twitter. Do all these tweets from Iran get saved for posterity somewhere?

I have no idea.
Perhaps they'll be saved on the individual twitter accounts?

(I'm not a twitterer - have only signed up to get these tweets from iran!)

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:16:49am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton
Just an excellent comment Walter.
Indeed, the facade has fallen off the regime and now the entire world can see whats going on - except of course for Chirstina Annapour or however she spells it,
and CNN.

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:17:38am

...The Associated Press reported that 50 to 60 protesters were seriously beaten by police and militiamen and taken to a hospital in central Tehran. Demonstrators could be seen dragging away comrades bloodies by baton strikes, AP said.
Members of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard Corps, riot police in full gear and members of the pro-government Basij militia were deployed in force to try to keep protesters from gathering or to corral them in side streets and alleys so they could not get to the square, the main starting point of the planned rally.

In a separate development, state-run news media reported that a bomb exploded near a shrine to the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the father of Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution. The semi-official Fars News Agency said one person was killed and two others wounded in the blast.

Witnesses said police appeared to be having a difficult time controlling the protesters. Many of the riot police were riding around on motorcycles in their efforts to head off marchers. A number of Shiite Muslim clerics joined the protesters and were trying to lead them to Revolution Square, the witnesses said.

The Iranian government has prohibited foreign reporters from covering the protests.

Women pleaded with security forces to stop fighting the people, witnesses said. Some of the women chanted, "Help us, security force," as the police pushed protesters back. ...

...The prospect of a violent crackdown posed a quandary not only for the Iranian opposition but also for the Obama administration. U.S. officials said Khamenei's speech would not change President Obama's hands-off approach toward Iran's internal turmoil or his policy of seeking dialogue with Iran on its nuclear program and other critical issues. But they said that violent repression could force a reevaluation of Obama's overtures to Tehran. ...Opposition Protesters Clash With Riot Police in Tehran

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:17:47am

'caller on VOA Persian s saying heavy clashes in Shiraz south of #iran #iranelection'

`winston

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:13am

Persian BBC

Youtube Video

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:16am

re: #428 yma o hyd

And iran09 again:

'RT: We been beaten tortured & killed for 30yrs! Nothing the SUPREME LIAR says can break our will! #Iranelection #gr88'

God help them. This person, at least, seems determined not just to get Mousavi named president, but to eject the whole regime.

I'm thinking more and more that, if more pictures showing the degree of brutality being exercised by the government could be released, it might help to tip things over the breaking point.

How are these tweets getting out? Don't they require internet access? Hasn't the government disabled internet access?

435

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:24am

From winston:
'caller on VOA Persian s saying heavy clashes in Shiraz south of #iran #iranelection'

There have been reports about clashes in Shiraz today already - I wonder if there are other demos going on in the other cities, of which we haven't heard anything?

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:25am

re: #425 Killian Bundy
Oh yeah and one of LGF's posters was a US tank commander there - got Silver Star for his bravery. I didn't say it was the best equipment around, just that the IRG has the best equipment in Iran!

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irish rose Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:29am

Good morning, lizards.
I bright and sunny Saturday on tap, and I can't get the damned lawnmower to start again... I guess this means that I won't be able to get the grass cut today. I'm crushed.

/not

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Mr. In get Mr. Out Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:29am

re: #418 Walter L. Newton

She's only trying to keep CNN access in Iran, though it's at the same cost of how they kept it in Iraq.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:18:39am

EU and US leaders, as well as Amnesty International, on Friday condemned Iran's threat of crackdown on reformist protesters

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Amnesty International, What a freak en joke.

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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:19:06am

re: #430 realwest

Just an excellent comment Walter.
Indeed, the facade has fallen off the regime and now the entire world can see whats going on - except of course for Chirstina Annapour or however she spells it,
and CNN.

It's Chritiana Imawhore.

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:19:23am

Amanpour speculated that the demonstrations may be smaller today, because they are heeding the Ayatollahs commnad.
Ten minutes later a report said that the security forces shot tear gas into subways & used excessive force to keep people from getting to the demonstrations.
She is a beyooch.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:20:01am

Morning Honcos,

Woke up this morning and was so thankful for those who have gone before and bought my, our freedom.

And prayed for those in Iran seeking theirs.

Witnesses report fierce clashes on Tehran streets
By Jeffrey Fleishman and and Borzou Daragahi, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
7:16 AM PDT, June 20, 2009

Reporting from Cairo and Tehran -- Iranian security forces reportedly used tear gas and water cannons to disperse as many as 3,000 people who attempted to gather in central Tehran today, defying warnings from the country's Supreme Leader against further protests over disputed elections.

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:20:27am

There are some re: #344 Killian Bundy

Anyone still believe this is about the election?

/just sayin'

This statement yesterday from Mohsen speaking on behalf of Mousavi would appear to be the game changer, I speak for Mousavi. And Iran.

If Supreme Fubar & Ahmadi 'the still living terrorist' Nejad were looking for an excuse to go after the 'reformists & moderates' -on the council's or within the majlis- the specific attack directed against Supreme Fubar in this statement opened the floodgates.

444

Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:20:34am

Although things are certainly heating up it looks like police are still using tear gas and batons. Protesters still using stick and rocks.

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:20:46am

re: #426 Dark_Falcon

IRGC has better equipment than most of the army. The army has also been confined to barracks. They are not going to get involved, IMO.

If the Army stays on the sidelines, it would be really bad for the opposition.

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:21:44am

re: #438 Mr. In get Mr. Out

She's only trying to keep CNN access in Iran, though it's at the same cost of how they kept it in Iraq.

Well, according to CNN, they don't have access right now...

"Because of the Iranian government's restrictions on newsgathering, CNN could not independently verify the reports."

So, what the fuck is she worried about? She's a tool.

447

astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:22:02am

O/T;

Released Guantanamo detainee behind executions in Yemen?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Unfortunately, Fox News quotes Robert Spencer here, but this is big if true.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:22:18am

re: #434 Last Mohican

God help them. This person, at least, seems determined not just to get Mousavi named president, but to eject the whole regime.

I'm thinking more and more that, if more pictures showing the degree of brutality being exercised by the government could be released, it might help to tip things over the breaking point.

How are these tweets getting out? Don't they require internet access? Hasn't the government disabled internet access?

I think they have proxy servers - apparently Iranian students in the USA and Great Britain are doing their best to get these tweets out to the West. I also think they come via the web, and not predominantly via cell phones.
The Iranian twitters also seem to use satellite connections - and the Beeb was reproted yesterday as saying that the Iranian government was interfering with their 'World news' broadcasts in Farsi - so the Beeb twiddled some more satellites. Alledgedly.

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Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:22:30am

re: #413 Walter L. Newton

I think it was yesterday that Obama said the world is watching Iran to see what they do. A lot of people are also watching Obama to see what he does/says now.

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:23:44am

re: #449 Jimmah

I think it was yesterday that Obama said the world is watching Iran to see what they do. A lot of people are also watching Obama to see what he does/says now.

Well, I hope he keeps his mouth shut. The protestors don't need any "help" from him.
//////

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Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:23:53am

BBIAB

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Ziggy Standard Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:24:25am

Off to buy some ibuprofen...later.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:24:38am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Although things are certainly heating up it looks like police are still using tear gas and batons. Protesters still using stick and rocks.

"Quantity has a quality all it's own."

10 people with rocks and sticks will take the baton and tear gas from one.
10 people with batons and tear gas will take a rifle from one.

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Flavia Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:24:56am

My first thought (because am a terminal smart @$$) was, "Okay - and we can name them Mohammed, Khadija, Ahmanedijad-"

& then it hit me - what did these too-cute/precious-for-words little piggies ever do to me?

(Imagine what's going to happen when someone manages to do this to cats, so that they always look like kittens...!)

455

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:25:04am

re: #442 jcm
Good morning jcm - please keep on praying - we've seen numerous acts of bravery out here by commenters posting from Twitter accounts - Basij bad boys on motorcycles running into crowds to knock them back and peope in the crowds pulling 'em off their motorcyles and beating the living hell out of 'em.
But bottom line is that apparently the Regime has, so far, been able to keep masses of people from getting together at the meet-up point, even with real Ayatollah's or clerics leading them. It's bad, jcm. Saw footage, too, of gunshots (some automatic) fired from rooftops/balconies indiscriminately into the crowds of protestors as well.
It's just fucking awful.
So PLEASE keep on praying for the protestors - I am.

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:25:23am

re: #433 Killgore Trout

It's horrible to hear weapons firing like that in a residential neighborhood. This must be terrifying for the children living there. I think those shots are coming too fast to be tear gas grenades.

457

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:25:55am

Now StopAhmadi is tweeting, for teh first time this afternoon:
'Deeply concerned on what will happen in the coming hours.. #iranelectoin #gr88'

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J.D. Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:27:18am

re: #447 astronmr20

O/T;

Released Guantanamo detainee behind executions in Yemen?

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Unfortunately, Fox News quotes Robert Spencer here, but this is big if true.

I was just reading that.
Slaughter of Foreigners in Yemen Bears Mark of Former Gitmo Detainee, Say Experts

...The United States is negotiating with Yemen, according to Mohammed Albasha, spokesman for Embassy of the Republic of Yemen in Washington, over the possible release of the more than 100 Yemeni nationals currently behind bars in Gitmo to Saudi Arabia’s rehabilitation program — the same one al-Shihri attended.
Rep. Peter King (R-NY), Ranking Member on the House Homeland Security Committee, opposes closing Gitmo and says Obama is rushing "helter skelter" to find homes for the remaining detainees to meet his "arbitrary deadline," which he says may come at the cost of national security.

“The president’s policies are very very disturbing. He appears to have decided to close Guantanamo without any idea of where these detainees are going to go and is now trying desperately to find countries and places for these people to go,” King told FOXNews.com.

“By far largest number of detainees comes from Yemen, and they are hardcore dangerous people. Sending them back to Yemen, where prisoners who have been held there before somewhere magically escaped from prison, and is in many ways the centerpiece of the Al Qaeda movement — returning them to Yemen is just inviting disaster.

"Sending them to Saudi Arabia to the rehabilitation center is just putting off the inevitable threat to the United States,” King said. “I am very concerned that these prisoners will soon be back in the battlefield hurting Americans.”

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:27:54am

re: #448 yma o hyd

Ah. I think if I were the POTUS, I'd be asking the military if there were some way they could sneak in some cell phone antennae that could reestablish cellphone service by linking to satellites, or something.

The other thing I think I would do is keep a close eye on the nuclear sites, and prepare to send some teams in to secure them rapidly if necessary.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:29:18am

re: #455 realwest

I'm hoping the brutality of the regime does two things.
Stiffens the resolve of the revolutionaries.
And inspires the rest of the world to condemn the regime.

Brutal Thugocracies seldom go quietly.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:30:02am

re: #456 Last Mohican
Hey Last Mohican - earier tweeter reports/vidoeos clearly showed Regime supporters firing real rifles and auto/semi auto guns into the crowds on the streets. Definitely not tear gas alone.
What kind of person could open up with an automatic weapon on his own countrymen?

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:31:09am

re: #461 realwest

Vermin, subhuman, murderous zealots.

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:31:29am

re: #461 realwest

What kind of person could open up with an automatic weapon on his own countrymen?

It's an ugly thought, isn't it? I'm trying to remain hopeful that they were just firing into the air to try to disperse the demonstrators.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:32:22am

'rt @iranbaan #mousavi has come out & now talking to crowds in #tehran's Jeyhoon St #iranelection'

~winston

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:32:53am

re: #461 realwest

Hey Last Mohican - earier tweeter reports/vidoeos clearly showed Regime supporters firing real rifles and auto/semi auto guns into the crowds on the streets. Definitely not tear gas alone.
What kind of person could open up with an automatic weapon on his own countrymen?

Evil.

466

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:33:50am

Madyar:
'NOW / mousavi among people: I am ready for death #iranelection'

Winston:
'Rt @iranbaan #mousavi has come out & now talking to crowds in #tehran's Jeyhoon St #iranelection'

467

Dark_Falcon Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:33:55am

re: #461 realwest

Hey Last Mohican - earier tweeter reports/vidoeos clearly showed Regime supporters firing real rifles and auto/semi auto guns into the crowds on the streets. Definitely not tear gas alone.
What kind of person could open up with an automatic weapon on his own countrymen?

A fanatic who is convinced its what God whats him to do.

I have to go to work. BBT

468

right_wing2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:35:05am

I'd love to see some 'change' from the loons that are in charge over in Iran now.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:35:21am

re: #460 jcm

I'm hoping the brutality of the regime does two things.
Stiffens the resolve of the revolutionaries.
And inspires the rest of the world to condemn the regime.

Brutal Thugocracies seldom go quietly.

Well I hope it stiffens the resolve of the Iranian revolutionaries too, but don't count on the rest of the world really coming down hard on the regime, especially when the U.S. - the "defender of the Free World" has been mostly silent until Congress - House and Senate passed resolutions MUCH stronger than anything President Obama has ever said before and that mofo Gibbs saying that that's what Obama believes too - reckon Obama is too busy trying to swat flies to actually say something fucking meaningful about what's happening today.

And he is supposedly talking (and yes, silence is a way of talking) FOR US! Damnit.

470

Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:35:24am

re: #457 yma o hyd

There's a lot of talk on twitter about action picking up after sunset. protesters in the past have done well at night against the militia. They're dealing with the army now so it's going to be different.

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SasquatchOnSteroids Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:35:54am

re: #466 yma o hyd

Madyar:
'NOW / mousavi among people: I am ready for death #iranelection'

Winston:
'Rt @iranbaan #mousavi has come out & now talking to crowds in #tehran's Jeyhoon St #iranelection'

Big,Fat,Elephant testiculars right there.
Can't say he doesn't have a set.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:36:34am

'4.30pm:
There are Twitter accounts claiming that Mousavi has given a speech at Jeyhoon Street in which he said: "We all go back to God." Once again this is difficult to impossible to verify at this stage.'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Sure - verification is difficult, but surely, if this comes from several independent people, it cannot be made up?

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:36:38am

re: #462 pingjockey

Vermin, subhuman, murderous zealots.

Oh, ya mean Hezzbollah and Hamas thugs, brought in just for this type of situation?

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:36:51am

re: #470 Killgore Trout
Just woke up! The army is involved? I was hoping the army would help with the rope to string the mad mullahs up!

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:37:43am

re: #471 SasquatchOnSteroids

Big,Fat,Elephant testiculars right there.
Can't say he doesn't have a set.

Indeed!
Cojones or what!

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:37:47am

re: #472 yma o hyd

Sure - verification is difficult, but surely, if this comes from several independent people, it cannot be made up?

Well, but as Charles has said, Twitter is great for spreading false rumors. Who knows.

477

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:37:51am

re: #473 realwest
Them, the IIRG, etc...Firmly convinced "allah" is on their side. Bah!

478

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:06am

A CNN pundit just said that a bombing at the Shrine of the Ayatollah Khomeini who is viewed as a Saint will infuriate millions of Iranians.
Ok, who had motive, the government maybe?

479

Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:10am

re: #470 Killgore Trout

They're dealing with the army now

/that's news

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:40am

re: #474 pingjockey

Just woke up! The army is involved? I was hoping the army would help with the rope to string the mad mullahs up!

I think its not the whole army, just some units - but who knows!

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:38:51am

re: #469 realwest

And he is supposedly talking (and yes, silence is a way of talking) FOR US! Damnit.

I understand we are limited in what we can DO.

But silence in the face of evil is wrong.

Pastor Martin Niemöller, comes to mind.

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:39:16am

re: #480 yma o hyd
Damn.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:39:24am

re: #463 Last Mohican

It's an ugly thought, isn't it? I'm trying to remain hopeful that they were just firing into the air to try to disperse the demonstrators.

Well the tweeter reports we've been getting have been saying that bloody protestors were thrown in the backs of vans by the police/Basij thugs and taken Lord knows where. And there have been tweeter reports of folks being shot up too.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:39:56am

re: #480 yma o hyd

I think its not the whole army, just some units - but who knows!

Start with a few, once the damn breaks....

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:40:48am

re: #482 pingjockey

Damn.

Don't despair.

/it's a Killgore rumor, started just minutes ago

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:41:31am

re: #474 pingjockey

Just woke up! The army is involved? I was hoping the army would help with the rope to string the mad mullahs up!

I might be wrong on that. I was looking at pics like this and this. Camoflage lead me to believe they were military but some of the pics are labeled police. They are different that the police we were seeing earlier in the week who wore black and had "Police" written across their backs. I don't know who they are.

487

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:41:57am

re: #478 opnion
Government DEFINITELY.

488

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:42:03am

re: #485 Killian Bundy
Not despair, wish I could airlift the protestors some stuff to even out the odds.

489

opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:42:32am

Time to my the lawn. My best to the protestors, this could be a very violent night over there.

490

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:42:44am

Protestors = revolutionaries (?)

491

JacksonTn Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:42:54am

This day is a turning point ... we will see where it goes ... prayers for the Iranian people ...

Beware of Darkness ...

Youtube Video

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opnion Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:43:05am

re: #489 opnion

Time to my the lawn. My best to the protestors, this could be a very violent night over there.

Ah, mow the lawn.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:43:05am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

I might be wrong on that. I was looking at pics like this and this. Camoflage lead me to believe they were military but some of the pics are labeled police. They are different that the police we were seeing earlier in the week who wore black and had "Police" written across their backs. I don't know who they are.

There's going to be "liberated" weapons and uniforms in the mix also.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:43:18am

re: #476 Last Mohican

Well, but as Charles has said, Twitter is great for spreading false rumors. Who knows.

I think the iranian twitetrs are wll aware of this - and they have, in the last few days, repeatedly warned about security 'false flag' twitters.

One's got to sift out whom to trust and whom not, but otherwise, I regard this tweeting from Iran as reliable as the witnesses post factum which reporters ahd to chase up themselves in the good old days before the electronic age.

In fact - this removes the layer of interpretation and spin, which MFM reporters invariably will give to their 'sources' - who also cannot all have been totally reliable.
It gives us the freedom to make up our own minds (see the reports about Annanpour above!)

Therefore - two or three tweets about the same thing are as reliable as a reporter's write-up who has spoken to two or three people ... imho!

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:43:43am

re: #488 pingjockey

Not despair, wish I could airlift the protestors some stuff to even out the odds.

Like the 101st, the 82nd....

/Dreaming.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:44:13am

re: #485 Killian Bundy

They might be "Special Guard" (Whatever that is)....
9:01 AM ET

-- "Rocks and fire." Another reliable Iranian has sent 3 messages in the last 7 minutes:
-- "HARD conflict between the people and the Special Guard. people: down with khamenee"

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:44:27am

re: #488 pingjockey

Not despair, wish I could airlift the protestors some stuff to even out the odds.

/it's not like they didn't know what to expect when they took to the streets today. win or lose, today will not soon be forgotten

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:45:14am

re: #490 pingjockey
Hi ping - depends on who you listen too - some of the tweets sure are sounding like revolutionaries - I've been using "dissedents" because that's all I KNOW for sure, but if Mousavi did in fact show up and say what he's reputed to be saying the revolutionaries might not be too far off the mark.

499

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:45:18am

'Today is the day of rekoning - the day of GHIAMAAT - Allah Akbar - #Iranelection'
'Mousavi - declares results of 10th Presidential Election null and void - #Iranelection RT RT RT'
'Mousavi speaking to supporters in the street NOW - #Iranelection'
from Persiankiwi

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:45:25am

re: #488 pingjockey

Not despair, wish I could airlift the protestors some stuff to even out the odds.

Well, you and I can't, but various foreign governments could. But that could end up being very counterproductive if it appeared that the whole insurrection was a project of foreign troublemakers, rather than a legitimate grass-roots Iranian movement.

Right now is a critical time for world leaders to measure their words and actions very carefully.

501

Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:45:50am

re: #485 Killian Bundy

Don't despair.

/it's a Killgore rumor, started just minutes ago

Don't start this accusatory bickering bullshit again. We have a fast moving situation and everybody's doing their best to stay up to speed. Mistakes will happen. The last thing we need is more squabbling.

502

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:46:19am

re: #488 pingjockey

Not despair, wish I could airlift the protestors some stuff to even out the odds.

While I understand the emotion of your wish, I think recent history has shown that--overtime--citizens peacefully protesting and being physically abused by the "authority" has done more to create LASTING change than outright violent revolt.

The problem with violent revolt is that it takes a violent person to orchestrate. Then that person or groups of people are in charge and you just get more of the same.

Lasting peace and stability can take a generation. People who are willing to work within the system to change laws.

503

VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:46:36am

re: #499 yma o hyd

'Today is the day of rekoning - the day of GHIAMAAT - Allah Akbar - #Iranelection'
'Mousavi - declares results of 10th Presidential Election null and void - #Iranelection RT RT RT'
'Mousavi speaking to supporters in the street NOW - #Iranelection'
from Persiankiwi

If true, those are some WOW developments!

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:46:40am

re: #498 realwest
Well, if you are overthrowing your current overbearing,mad, theocracy for something more modern, I'd say it's a revolution.

505

[deleted] Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:46:57am

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Bobblehead Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:46:58am

re: #481 jcm

I understand we are limited in what we can DO.

But silence in the face of evil is wrong.

Pastor Martin Niemöller, comes to mind.

Does it not bother you that 0 seems to be working for a paymaster other than the American people?

Oh..and there's nothing cuter than a pile of piglets.

507

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:47:02am

re: #500 Last Mohican
True.

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[deleted] Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:47:31am

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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:47:33am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

I might be wrong on that. I was looking at pics like this and this. Camoflage lead me to believe they were military but some of the pics are labeled police. They are different that the police we were seeing earlier in the week who wore black and had "Police" written across their backs. I don't know who they are.

In that tyhe Basiji is by and large a "voluntary" security force, your second photo is most likely those (non conforming uniforms, wearing whatever they can find that looks "official" and/ ot military)

I hope your 1st photo isn't the Revolutionary Guard. If Kahmeinni has called on them to quell the protesters it will not end well

510

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:47:48am

Now here is something which I personally think are rumours:
'Helicopters pouring acid on people from the sky - #Iranelection'
(Persiankiwi)
And Winston asks back:
'@persiankiwi r u sure? is it confirmed? how do you kno?'

Indeed!
A while ago, madyar tweeted that it was 'boiling water' ...

So yes - one can sift the rumours from actual facts, even in tweets!

511

Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:48:38am

re: #509 sattv4u2

I hope your 1st photo isn't the Revolutionary Guard. If Kahmeinni has called on them to quell the protesters it will not end well

If he hasn't already, he will.

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:48:45am

re: #502 ggt
You are talking about 'normal' regimes. This is not a normal regime. The mad mullahs get their authority from the koran and therefore from allah, so they are infallible!

513

Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:50:05am

re: #510 yma o hyd

'Helicopters pouring acid on people from the sky - #Iranelection'
(Persiankiwi)

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

514

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:50:09am

A tweeter outside Iran is asking this:

'is real time journalism making a mockery of professional journalism covering the iran elections?'

Good question!

515

Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:51:03am

re: #510 yma o hyd

I don't believe that. Why would helicopters be pouring boiling water from the sky? Who's going to bring a crock pot and liters of extra water into a helicopter, when it would be far easier to drop various munitions on the people below? I think that whole thing is false.

516

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:51:11am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

Any more difficult than dumping water on a forest fire? It's possible.

517

MacDuff Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:51:34am

re: #469 realwest

Well I hope it stiffens the resolve of the Iranian revolutionaries too, but don't count on the rest of the world really coming down hard on the regime, especially when the U.S. - the "defender of the Free World" has been mostly silent until Congress - House and Senate passed resolutions MUCH stronger than anything President Obama has ever said before and that mofo Gibbs saying that that's what Obama believes too - reckon Obama is too busy trying to swat flies to actually say something fucking meaningful about what's happening today.

And he is supposedly talking (and yes, silence is a way of talking) FOR US! Damnit.

The Iranian people are putting their lives in the line in the name of "Hope and Change" and President Hopenchange himself cannot even muster a word or two of encouragement.

When Germany and France (and even Congress) are out in front of the POTUS in defending democracy, you know you have a leadership problem.

518

Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:52:12am

Somebody wasn't being nice it seems?

519

sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:52:17am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

I am in no way saying it's happening, BUT it depends on how it's dumped. Think of how they dump water on a forest fire. Big bucket suspended under the chopper,,,,, pull a lever and the bottom opens,,, liguid drops straight down

520

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:52:22am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

Exactly!

Thats why i thought straightaway this was a rumour.

One needs a bit of commonsense to differentiate between a rumour and what is really happening - but as I said above, there are some twitters in iran who have shown over the last few days that they are very careful to make this distinction.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:52:26am

re: #512 pingjockey

You are talking about 'normal' regimes. This is not a normal regime. The mad mullahs get their authority from the koran and therefore from allah, so they are infallible!

I have a hard time thinking that the individual Mullahs are all mad. Given the history of Iran, the older generation does know what life can be like. They are an educated and civilized people. They are also human. Over time, humans cannot bear the obvious injustice of persecuting peaceful opposition. Sorry, I think Iran would be better to follow Ghandi and MLKjr in this situation.

522

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:52:31am

re: #516 Walter L. Newton
For a forest fire you use a big collapsible bucket. I don't think 500 gallons of boiling water is that easy to come by. Or acid.

523

KansasMom Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:53:14am

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

Any more difficult than dumping water on a forest fire? It's possible.

But unlikely. Could be a scare tactic. (?)

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:53:40am

re: #515 Last Mohican

I don't believe that. Why would helicopters be pouring boiling water from the sky? Who's going to bring a crock pot and liters of extra water into a helicopter, when it would be far easier to drop various munitions on the people below? I think that whole thing is false.

Exactly!
Thats why I said, when I reported this, it must be a rumour.
I mean - how do they keep this water boiling during the flight?
Aarrgghh!

525

Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:53:49am

re: #516 Walter L. Newton

Any more difficult than dumping water on a forest fire? It's possible.

It would be if you wanted to boil the water first.

526

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:53:57am

re: #521 ggt
Anybody whose front man espouses wiping Israel from the face of the earth in a firestorm, is in my definition mad.

527

realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:54:28am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

Well maybe if you just chucked it out the door, but we spread most of the "Agent Orange" by chopper and iirc, farmers are now using choppers to spray their crops and all.
Right now I just don't put anything past the Regime. Not saying that the acid or boiling water is true, but it could be. And it could be disinformation reports designed to keep people off the streets.

528

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:54:32am

re: #522 pingjockey

For a forest fire you use a big collapsible bucket. I don't think 500 gallons of boiling water is that easy to come by. Or acid.

It could be 30 gallons, and what is to say they are using the SAME delivery container that we normally see in pictures of firefighters and helicopters.

Hell, I could probably rig up something right here in my apartment that would dump 30 gallons of something, if hung from a helicopter.

We're thinking too hi-tech here.

529

Dar ul Harb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:54:43am

Firefighting helicopters?

530

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:54:47am

re: #523 KansasMom

But unlikely. Could be a scare tactic. (?)

Or a way to incite the world factions to act in such a way to support violence against the regime.

531

yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:55:22am

re: #525 Last Mohican

It would be if you wanted to boil the water first.

Even if the iranians had developed a method of keeping water boiling in those huge buckes - wouldn't it cool down the moment it was dispersed through the air?

532

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:55:36am

re: #521 ggt
How well would Gandis' tactics worked against the nazis'. Those tactics only work against people who have a conciense.

533

Walter L. Newton Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:55:54am

re: #527 realwest

Well maybe if you just chucked it out the door, but we spread most of the "Agent Orange" by chopper and iirc, farmers are now using choppers to spray their crops and all.
Right now I just don't put anything past the Regime. Not saying that the acid or boiling water is true, but it could be. And it could be disinformation reports designed to keep people off the streets.

And that was my point too. Whether it's true or not, it could be done if they wanted to. It doesn't take rocket science to drop some sort of something out of a helicopter.

534

sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:04am

re: #531 yma o hyd

Even if the iranians had developed a method of keeping water boiling in those huge buckes - wouldn't it cool down the moment it was dispersed through the air?

yes ,, enough that it woudn't be "boiling" anymore. Very warm at best

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:16am

re: #526 pingjockey

Anybody whose front man espouses wiping Israel from the face of the earth in a firestorm, is in my definition mad.

Yes, but we don't hear from all of them. We can't judge a whole country by what one leader says or publishes.

536

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:17am

re: #528 Walter L. Newton
Yah. It just seems far fetched is all.

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:38am

re: #521 ggt

I have a hard time thinking that the individual Mullahs are all mad. Given the history of Iran, the older generation does know what life can be like. They are an educated and civilized people. They are also human. Over time, humans cannot bear the obvious injustice of persecuting peaceful opposition. Sorry, I think Iran would be better to follow Ghandi and MLKjr in this situation.

Ghandi and MLK only work where the already governments have a respect for law and individual rights. Where the issues are the when the government in question is hypocritical in treatment of some. Ghandi and MLK hold up and mirror.

Ghandi and MLK end up dead in regimes based on repression.

538

Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:42am

Hey it's about to storm here in NJ/NY again, what a shock. Good bye golf

539

Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:56:58am

re: #523 KansasMom

But unlikely. Could be a scare tactic. (?)

Yes, maybe the water part is true, but the "boiling" part was an embellishment, or just a mistake. Many people are probably way too on-edge to get all the details right at the moment.

Alternatively, it could be an outright lie, spread be people out to make the regime look bad.

540

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:57:17am

re: #535 ggt
We hear what the mullahs allow I'magonnajihad to say.

541

astronmr20 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:57:54am

re: #450 Walter L. Newton

Well, I hope he keeps his mouth shut. The protestors don't need any "help" from him.
//////

Thy actually don't.

542

Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:58:25am

re: #518 Nevergiveup

Somebody wasn't being nice it seems?

/yeah. the army is involved as well as the helicopter rotors

543

VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:58:27am

re: #535 ggt

Yes, but we don't hear from all of them. We can't judge a whole country by what one leader says or publishes.

Really?

544

alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:58:36am

re: #532 pingjockey

How well would Gandis' tactics worked against the nazis'. Those tactics only work against people who have a conciense.

* * * *
Only Islam MEANS SUBMISSION.

Ghandi/Martin Luther King's nonviolent resistance worked against Western law abiding systems of government & people who believed in self-determination, NOT submission to totalitarian theology.

545

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:21am

re: #537 jcm

Ghandi and MLK only work where the already governments have a respect for law and individual rights. Where the issues are the when the government in question is hypocritical in treatment of some. Ghandi and MLK hold up and mirror.

Ghandi and MLK end up dead in regimes based on repression.

I agree. But we are talking about Iran, not Iraq, or Nazi Germany. If hundreds of thousands of people are willing to protest peacefully, consistently, latsting change will come.

I don't put Iran in the same category as the Taliban.

546

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:33am

re: #544 alegrias
True, very true.

547

Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:38am

11:37 AM ET --

Report: Police taking injured, dead. This story in Persian says that its reporters are trying to confirm deaths but the dead and injured are being grabbed by security forces and taken away.

548

jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 8:59:41am

re: #535 ggt

Yes, but we don't hear from all of them. We can't judge a whole country by what one leader says or publishes.

Not judging the country, judging the regime.

549

pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:00:19am

re: #545 ggt
Really? Hanging gays from cranes?

550

SixDegrees Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:00:33am

re: #513 Killgore Trout

I've seen that one a few times too. It doesn't make sense. dumping liquid out of a helicopter, the rotors would just disperse it. There's be no control.

Other reports have claimed "boiling water" was being dumped.

My bet's on capsaicin, or something similar.

As for dispersal - that's pretty much what you want, as long as the droplets remain large enough to fall on the crowd. The downwash would, in fact, help that to happen.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:00:50am

re: #542 Killian Bundy

/yeah. the army is involved as well as the helicopter rotors

I meant the person who got deleted

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Dar ul Harb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:01:47am

re: #550 SixDegrees

I suspect you're right. A crowd control agent.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:02:01am

re: #544 alegrias

* * * *
Only Islam MEANS SUBMISSION.

Ghandi/Martin Luther King's nonviolent resistance worked against Western law abiding systems of government & people who believed in self-determination, NOT submission to totalitarian theology.

Good morning alegrias! And your comment is Spot On. Ghandi was fighting against the British Empire which has some respect for non-violent protests. These bastards in the Regime have brought in "shock troops" from Hamas and Hezzbollah to help then do their dirty work.

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:03:20am

'4.40pm:
Mousavi has sent a letter to the guardian council alleging that there were plans to rig the election months in advance, according to his website.

Here's the Farsi version, and there is a very rough Google translation here.

The letter sets out a number of detailed complaints about counting discrepancies and concerns about how the ballot was conducted.

"These irritating measures (election rigging) was planned months ahead of the vote ... considering all the violations ... the election should be annulled," Mousavi said according to a Reuters translation.'
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Link to google translation:
[Link: translate.google.com...]

(It is indeed very very rough!)

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:03:26am

re: #549 pingjockey

Really? Hanging gays from cranes?

Ping, I don't think violent revolt in Iran will create lasting change.

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Dar ul Harb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:03:48am

re: #547 Killgore Trout

Saw recent tweets saying that wounded should be taken to foreign embassies rather than hospitals, out of concern that the hospitals will be traps.

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:04:12am

re: #551 Nevergiveup

I meant the person who got deleted

/that would be me, not claiming the Iranian army is in the streets of Tehran

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Last Mohican Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:12am

re: #550 SixDegrees

Good point. If some sort of irritant liquid were being dropped on people, they might be screaming something about it feeling like boiling water, as they ran away from the scene. Someone could hear that and tweet it. It's all part of the "fog of war" I guess. Part of the reason why I hope someone is recording all this in photos. I suspect that a lot more may come out later. Cell phone cameras still work even if the cell phone service doesn't.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:25am

re: #538 Nevergiveup

Hey it's about to storm here in NJ/NY again, what a shock. Good bye golf

a terrible way to ruin a nice walk

One which I will be doing at least a half dozen times in the next two weeks!

SATTV4U2 ITINERARY FOR THE NEXT 2 WEEKS

Golf
Beach
Pool
Golf
Pool
Beach
Pool
Beach
Golf
Mix in a liberal dash of food, reading and napping!

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:35am

re: #555 ggt
Well, I gaurentee you, that passive measures against hamas/hezbollock/IRG thugs will end up with thousands dead and the regime still in charge and more repressive than it is now.

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VegasRick Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:38am

re: #557 Killian Bundy

/that would be me, not claiming the Iranian army is in the streets of Tehran

I think the /lick you, deal might have been a factor.

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Nevergiveup Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:44am

re: #557 Killian Bundy

/that would be me, not claiming the Iranian army is in the streets of Tehran

Why would that get deleted?

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jcm Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:46am

re: #549 pingjockey

Really? Hanging gays from cranes?

Put the cable around the neck and hoist.

The slow painful way.

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alegrias Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:05:47am

re: #553 realwest

Good morning alegrias! And your comment is Spot On. Ghandi was fighting against the British Empire which has some respect for non-violent protests. These bastards in the Regime have brought in "shock troops" from Hamas and Hezzbollah to help then do their dirty work.

* * * * *
Soggy Good Day to you, RealWest Sir!

Tehranis are fighting totalitarian terrorists with no scruples but self survival.

Islamic "revolution" my ass. It's a terrorist state with terrorist tentacles & NUKES, and Pres. Obama's cool with that group.

Pres. Obama is no freedom defending, liberty loving hero to the Middle East anymore.

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realwest Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:06:32am

From Winston's Tweeter:" rt @persiankiwi hospital sources - #Tehran hospitals report hundreds of casualtys - #Iranelection
13 minutes ago from web "

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:06:55am

re: #550 SixDegrees

It's possible. I was also just reading that there's a crystal form of tear gas that can be mixed with water.

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:07:43am

All right...what the fuck is tweet/twitter?
From someone who was a teenager before Pong!

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:08:29am

re: #560 pingjockey

Well, I gaurentee you, that passive measures against hamas/hezbollock/IRG thugs will end up with thousands dead and the regime still in charge and more repressive than it is now.

We shall see.

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Dar ul Harb Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:09:04am

re: #567 pingjockey

All right...what the fuck is tweet/twitter?
From someone who was a teenager before Pong!

Looks a lot like the LGF Spy feature.

A micro-blogging tool. Limited of 140 characters, I recall.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:09:09am

"Down with the dictator"

Youtube Video

Looks like stuff burning in the distance.

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:09:12am

NEW THREAD!

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pingjockey Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:09:29am

re: #569 Dar ul Harb
Merci!

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yma o hyd Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:10:02am

'reports coming that mousavi has said: "I have prepared for martyrdom"'
From tehranbureau.

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Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:10:20am

Have a great day all!

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sattv4u2 Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:10:22am

re: #566 Killgore Trout

It's possible. I was also just reading that there's a crystal form of tear gas that can be mixed with water.

Anything is possible, but this seems highly improbabale. This isn;t Saddam gasing a region (the Kurds) where non of "his" people are. The police/army/basiji are all in the same proximity as the protesters. I think they would think very unkindly of the mullahs if they were in the line of the acid

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:11:08am

re: #566 Killgore Trout

It's possible. I was also just reading that there's a crystal form of tear gas that can be mixed with water.

/seriously?

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MacDuff Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:12:29am

re: #555 ggt

Ping, I don't think violent revolt in Iran will create lasting change.

At this point, they don't have much choice. Non-violent protests will be met with violent countermeasures - the "Supreme Leader" has promised that. I have no doubt that there are scores of "peaceful resisters" buried in unmarked graved throughout Iran.

Were we discussing a more civilized group of people it may be different, but we're not. We we discussing people who have even a scintilla of respect for human rights it may be different, but we're not.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:14:35am

re: #486 Killgore Trout

I might be wrong on that. I was looking at pics like this and this. Camoflage lead me to believe they were military but some of the pics are labeled police. They are different that the police we were seeing earlier in the week who wore black and had "Police" written across their backs. I don't know who they are.

The NIAC site has previously identified those green camouflage uniforms as being worn by the IRGC's crack riot police.

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:15:17am

Gee, I have some "crystalline tear gas".

/I wonder what happens when I add water to it, will I be able to contain it for future use against the evil doers?

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:15:30am

re: #578 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The NIAC site has previously identified those green camouflage uniforms as being worn by the IRGC's crack riot police.

Ah thanks. It's hard to tell who's who.

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pre-Boomer Marine brat Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:16:19am

Before I move onto the next thread ...

People, don't forget that there are TWO armies in Iran -- the IRGC/Sahab/Pasdaran and the regular Army.

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Killgore Trout Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:17:09am

re: #579 Killian Bundy

You can stay here and derail this thread into squabbling. Please don't bring it onto the new threads. It makes it harder to get real information from the posts when people are just arguing nonsense. Thanks.

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Killian Bundy Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:18:30am

re: #582 Killgore Trout

You can stay here and derail this thread into squabbling. Please don't bring it onto the new threads. It makes it harder to get real information from the posts when people are just arguing nonsense. Thanks.

/derail the thread at 582, crystalline tear gas, nonsense?

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Sunlight Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:19:24am

re: #404 Last Mohican

I haven't made myself an expert on this. Mousavi does seem to be pretty much more of the same, but his wife has made many statements that really do seem to be radical and, dare I say it, progressive.

But it does it occur to me, as I prepare to drive out to Trader Joe's and buy a carload of Israeli products today, that many of these pro-Mousavi demonstrators would probably like to beat me to a pulp for doing that.

In a way it's a little sad... impresses me that the mullahs may just be letting the non-in-crowd blow off some steam. Then they'll let them have Mousavi, which is another of their guys and Isael (the canary) and Euro cities and then the rest of us will be toast... because this uproar has taken pressure off the nuke program. Now they can finish up, no matter which candidate gets the star of approval from the mullahs.

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KansasMom Sat, Jun 20, 2009 9:21:27am

re: #545 ggt

I agree. But we are talking about Iran, not Iraq, or Nazi Germany. If hundreds of thousands of people are willing to protest peacefully, consistently, latsting change will come.

I don't put Iran in the same category as the Taliban.

Gotta disagree with you there. The Taliban is probably worse, but I'd rather not measure how good a regime is by comparing atrocities.
Bad is bad.

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razorbacker Sat, Jun 20, 2009 1:38:53pm

Dogs look up to us, and treat us as gods.

Cats look down on us, and treat us as servants.

Pigs look us straight in the eye, and treat us as equals.

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Spricio Sun, Jun 21, 2009 11:12:12am

Baby pigs have just surpassed baby cows as the cutest things in the universe. Discuss

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