Pamela Geller Pays to Publish Xenophobic Press Release

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Pamela Geller has taken the rambling xenophobic post she put on her blog earlier, and added even more scary adjectives for this paid press release through PRNewswire: SIOA Condemns Obama’s Blessing of Ground Zero Mega-Mosque; Bolton, Wilders, Gingrich to Speak… — NEW YORK, Aug. 14 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ —

NEW YORK, Aug. 14 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The human rights organization Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) strongly condemns Barack Obama’s blessing of the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque to be built at the hallowed ground of the September 11, 2001 jihad terror attack.

The earlier version of this artfully crafted opening run-on sentence:

President Obama came out Friday evening in favor of the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at the hallowed ground of the 9/11 attack.

The press release version leaves out the really crazy stuff from her blog post (which also went up at far right site Human Events) — the accusation that President Obama “stood with” the 9/11 hijackers. There appears to be a section of Pamela’s brain that still recognizes how crazy that makes her look, and goes into primitive cover-up mode, even though she already posted it on the interwebs. (Or maybe Robert Spencer is editing it out.)

The only new info: her anti-Muslim rally will also feature noted Internet smear artist and video fraudster, Andrew Breitbart.

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318 comments
1 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:37:55pm

Wasn't Pam pleading poverty back when she was bitching up a storm about Paypal labeling her blog a hate site? Saying that she was barely bringing in enough through donations to keep the place up and running?

2 freetoken  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:42:36pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wasn't Pam pleading poverty back when she was bitching up a storm about Paypal labeling her blog a hate site?

Now if she would only plea insanity in a local court then someone might be able to get her some help.

3 rikzilla  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:47:20pm

These people are selling decisions based on nothing but emotion. We did that before on this very same subject. That time we ended up in a war on the wrong front,...this time we'll simply be making war on the Constitution.

Basing important decisions upon emotion reduces us to a mob,...but I guess mob rule is what these people are really into promoting.

4 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:50:01pm

re: #1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Wasn't Pam pleading poverty back when she was bitching up a storm about Paypal labeling her blog a hate site? Saying that she was barely bringing in enough through donations to keep the place up and running?

Apparently she's found a sugar daddy.

5 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:52:23pm

Hardy har har on the cynical "human rights organization" appropriation. Ass clowns!

6 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:52:51pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently she's found a sugar daddy.

Heck, she never ran out of money. She's a widow and her husband owned a rather successful car dealership and lives in a big old McMansion off the Atlantic Ocean. I'm sure she also got a hefty advance for that latest drivel she's calling a book.

7 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:55:04pm

Birds of a feather.......

8 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 11:55:52pm

re: #5 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

Hardy har har on the cynical "human rights organization" appropriation. Ass clowns!

They're as much a human rights org as Hamas is a group of freedom fighters.

9 Gus  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:06:02am

Testing. Can't seem to post on another thread.

10 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:07:46am

re: #9 Gus 802

Testing. Can't seem to post on another thread.

You succeeded admirably. There's like six copies of the comment now.

11 Gus  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:09:25am

re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist

You succeeded admirably. There's like six copies of the comment now.

Six? I recounted and there are now 4. Maybe I'm seeing double. :)

12 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:27:20am

This might be against the TOS, but the next person to type without vowels is getting a beating.

13 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:30:19am

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

This might be against the TOS, but the next person to type without vowels is getting a beating.

Wht?

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:30:27am

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

This might be against the TOS, but the next person to type without vowels is getting a beating.

They hardly ever do it on purpose. Would you clobber a man that had already been disemvoweled?

15 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:32:11am

Oh. Geez.

16 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:32:28am

How this psychotic harpy can get any notice nationally is beyond me.

17 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:34:19am

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

How this psychotic harpy can get any notice nationally is beyond me.

14:57, 14:58....

18 simoom  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:37:07am

I don't know if anyone would find this interesting, but sometimes when I'm getting some exercise I watch old Bloggheads.tv diavlogs, and the one I was just watching (from last week) had a brief bit on the Park 51 community center / mosque. Here's a link just to the couple of minutes where Michael Moynihan of Reason and Heather Hurlburt of the National Security Network discuss the topic:

[Link: bloggingheads.tv...]

Anyway, Heather mentions how her employer attempted to encourage prominent national security figures to be more open with their dismay over all the US anti-mosque demagoguery, and here's my quick transcript of that bit:

Heather: There's a lot of people who should be hit for not saying anything and we, frankly -- we spent a little time trying to, sort of, gin up more serious national security types to go out and say things and the level of fear that has been instilled over, you know, 'what will happen to me if I say something on this issue', was really, as a civil libertarian, very, very dissapointing to me.
20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:38:40am

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

This might be against the TOS, but the next person to type without vowels is getting a beating.

a e a e i o oo u ee e a


^_^

21 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:40:01am

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

This might be against the TOS, but the next person to type without vowels is getting a beating.

Charles does it.

22 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:40:18am

re: #16 LudwigVanQuixote

How this psychotic harpy can get any notice nationally is beyond me.

Tits

23 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:40:23am

re: #20 WindUpBird

a e a e i o oo u ee e a

^_^

Let's face it. You just want a spanking.
/

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:41:12am

re: #23 Cannadian Club Akbar

Let's face it. You just want a spanking.
/

Actually, I could use some of that booze you got there, I've been soldering all day o_o

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:41:31am

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tits

OK, Savage has those too, but few people notice him, and judging by the latest teabag films, having breasts is a capital offence.

26 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:43:47am

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

OK, Savage has those too, but few people notice him, and judging by the latest teabag films, having breasts is a capital offence.

OK, then I'll have to go with a ultra low frequency hypnotic pulse under the shrieking.

27 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:43:48am

Please... someone stop this merry go round. I want it to stop. I want to get off and not see scary things. ....

I mean really folks... is there stupid juice in some peoples water? I am at a loss for words seeing otherwise "normal" folks buy into so much of this crap. the fact that Palin is named as a credible candidate for POTUS makes me think I did way too much mushrooms back in the day... aaaaarrrgggg

28 Gus  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:44:59am

Good night folks.

29 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:45:27am

re: #25 LudwigVanQuixote

having breasts is a capital offence.

step right up for your punishment all you breastistest offenders...

////

30 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:46:06am

re: #28 Gus 802

Good night folks.

nite

31 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:46:08am

re: #29 boxhead

step right up for your punishment all you breastistest offenders...

///

NO seriously did you see the film that is being pimped as teabag material?

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:46:24am

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tits

I have them as well, but no one is listening to ME.

33 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:46:57am

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

NO seriously did you see the film that is being pimped as teabag material?

not yet... is it the link in this thread?... watching now....

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:48:58am

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

I have them as well, but no one is listening to ME.

If I were not madly in love with another woman, I would make a comment that could either be seen as flattering or inappropriate.

35 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:49:22am

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

NO seriously did you see the film that is being pimped as teabag material?

i guess i missed that link... help?

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:50:18am

re: #34 LudwigVanQuixote

If I were not madly in love with another woman, I would make a comment that could either be seen as flattering or inappropriate.

And if I were not a married lady, I would be either flattered or offended.

37 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:50:34am

Alfred Bester has got to be one of my favorite villians in Sci-Fi history.

38 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:50:38am

re: #35 boxhead

i guess i missed that link... help?

Oer thar.Your text to link...

39 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:55:33am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

Oer thar.Your text to link...

watching now..... *shudder*

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:57:33am

re: #35 boxhead

i guess i missed that link... help?

Check eiterh my mini blog, or the featured pages, or the links under general.

41 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:57:53am

re: #31 LudwigVanQuixote

NO seriously did you see the film that is being pimped as teabag material?

I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I don't need the anger.

42 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:58:15am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Alfred Bester has got to be one of my favorite villians in Sci-Fi history.

Truth, but curious what made you think of him.

43 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:58:59am

re: #42 LudwigVanQuixote

Truth, but curious what made you think of him.

Watching B5 and its one of the Bester episodes

44 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:59:06am

re: #41 tnguitarist

I couldn't bring myself to watch it. I don't need the anger.

I understand that, but sometime when you are chilled out and ready, you should. I really think that people need to see what the teabag movement is heading to.

45 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 12:59:53am

re: #43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Watching B5 and its one of the Bester episodes

Walter Koenig will always be Bester first to me and Chekov second.

46 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:00:30am

re: #44 LudwigVanQuixote

I understand that, but sometime when you are chilled out and ready, you should. I really think that people need to see what the teabag movement is heading to.

I will, but I live in the middle of it. I see these assholes every day.

47 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:07:32am

That does it. I'm going to start building a database to keep track of the bad crazy across the spectrum (left, right, domestic, foreign, whatever).

Lizards, please get your lists ready as I'll be asking for assistance in the near future with compiling names of individuals, organizations, blogs, etc. and the relationships between them, where any exist.

It'll take months to complete, but I want to be able to click on a button and instantly be able to see relationships and track convergence. I think it'll be a good technical exercise as well as a useful tool.

48 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:08:02am

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Check eiterh my mini blog, or the featured pages, or the links under general.

the content is about as true as a Family Guy episode. what sucks is that I know people that have way too much anger over unfounded facts such as this video barfs across the interwebs. Overhearing conversations at a place where I hang out at tell me that these views are held by too many. I can only converse on these subjects with those that really know me so I do not cause problems.

It is painful to hear and not be able to have honest debate with so many....

49 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:11:46am

re: #45 LudwigVanQuixote

Walter Koenig will always be Bester first to me and Chekov second.

Yes.... but G'Kar and Londo Mollari where my favorites in the show.... I love B5, even bought the series and movie DVDs... :)

50 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:12:16am

Some thoughts about a movie where the tea baggers actually take on the army:

Trailer: a scene of a Dixie flag getting run over by tank treads.

And it would have to have this scene in it as well:

A burnt our barn, and son is cradling his dying pop, who is bleeding through his ragged bib overalls.

Son: But Pa, Sarah told us we would win! What was this for?

Pa: Son, freedom ain't free son. It doesn't matter what we done. It matters that a few stood up to many.

Son: But pa, pa... we was supposed to git em good!

Pa: Ever since them UN troops came in to reinforce the Gub'mint forces, we was licked. But our spirit will live on! Promise me boy! Promise me!

Son: Promise what pa?

Pa: That you will live on to fight for our constitution another day.
Promise that you will keep America white and Christian in your heart. Because as long as you do, the America the founding fathers believed in will never die.

Pa expires...

Son: Nooo! I promise Pa. I promise!

51 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:12:34am

re: #49 boxhead

Yes... but G'Kar and Londo Mollari where my favorites in the show... I love B5, even bought the series and movie DVDs... :)

I like Londo and Vir, the wife likes G'kar, but as for bad guys, Bester was the man.

52 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:13:05am

re: #49 boxhead

Yes... but G'Kar and Londo Mollari where my favorites in the show... I love B5, even bought the series and movie DVDs... :)

Ohh picking my fav from B5 is almost as tough as picking my fav from Firefly.

OK... G'kar... when it isn't Ivanova.

53 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:14:00am

re: #47 CuriousLurker

That does it. I'm going to start building a database to keep track of the bad crazy across the spectrum (left, right, domestic, foreign, whatever).

Lizards, please get your lists ready as I'll be asking for assistance in the near future with compiling names of individuals, organizations, blogs, etc. and the relationships between them, where any exist.

It'll take months to complete, but I want to be able to click on a button and instantly be able to see relationships and track convergence. I think it'll be a good technical exercise as well as a useful tool.

That would be a very elaborate project.

54 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:16:46am

You know what's a shame?

We used to lead the world in education.

We used to lead the world in innovation.

But now, because everything has become a political football, we lead the world in very little, except for consumption and teenage pregnancy.

55 freetoken  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:17:57am

re: #18 simoom

I like listening to Heather, but anytime there is a talking head on there from Reason I just skip that particular diavlog.

56 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:18:09am

re: #53 LudwigVanQuixote

That would be a very elaborate project.

It would indeed. I actually started working on database tables last night, and being that I'm not a db wizard I'm sure I'll make some mistakes with something so complex. I think it'll be worth it in the long run though.

57 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:19:26am

re: #56 CuriousLurker

It would indeed. I actually started working on database tables last night, and being that I'm not a db wizard I'm sure I'll make some mistakes with something so complex. I think it'll be worth it in the long run though.

Good luck. It would be interesting to categorize them by linked delusions. Like the set that has chem trails and the set that has black helicopters etc...

58 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:19:40am

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like Londo and Vir, the wife likes G'kar, but as for bad guys, Bester was the man.

Bester was as cold as they come.... The episode where he found his lover in the stasis transport gave him some heart, but overall he played it like ice. The best thing about him is that his character believed the whole, "The Core is your Mother, The Core is your Father" stuff. Fanatics are always scary...

That reminds me of stuff happening today... :(

59 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:19:55am

re: #54 tnguitarist

You know what's a shame?

We used to lead the world in education.

We used to lead the world in innovation.

But now, because everything has become a political football, we lead the world in very little, except for consumption and teenage pregnancy.

Well, we still lead the world in physics - barely.

60 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:21:14am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Good luck. It would be interesting to categorize them by linked delusions. Like the set that has chem trails and the set that has black helicopters etc...

Oooh, see? You helped already. I hadn't thought of a table for individual conspiracy theories. Thanks!

61 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:21:22am

re: #47 CuriousLurker

Where would you put this lady?

Youtube Video
62 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:22:13am

re: #54 tnguitarist

You know what's a shame?

We used to lead the world in education.

We used to lead the world in innovation.

But now, because everything has become a political football, we lead the world in very little, except for consumption and teenage pregnancy.

When education is thought to be a sign of anti-Americanism, we should be worried. I am worried.

63 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:22:38am

re: #58 boxhead

Bester was as cold as they come... The episode where he found his lover in the stasis transport gave him some heart, but overall he played it like ice. The best thing about him is that his character believed the whole, "The Core is your Mother, The Core is your Father" stuff. Fanatics are always scary...

That reminds me of stuff happening today... :(

Bester's best quote:

"A pinata, huh? So, you think of me as something bright and cheerful, full of toys and candy for young children. Thank you! That makes me feel much better about our relationship."

64 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:23:25am

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lol.. :) nice!

65 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:24:22am

re: #61 tnguitarist

Where would you put this lady?

[Video]

Um, apparently I'm going to need an "extra special kind of guano crazy" category. Sheesh.

66 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:25:16am

re: #59 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, we still lead the world in physics - barely.

It's not that we don't have the minds here, but I'm afraid scientists will start to take more and more positions in countries that allow them to pursue things more freely. That, and I'm scared to death what our educational system will look like 20 or 30 years down the road.

67 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:28:05am

I'm out. Have a good night/morning, all.

68 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:28:24am

re: #67 CuriousLurker

I'm out. Have a good night/morning, all.

nite....

69 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:33:07am

re: #66 tnguitarist

It's not that we don't have the minds here, but I'm afraid scientists will start to take more and more positions in countries that allow them to pursue things more freely. That, and I'm scared to death what our educational system will look like 20 or 30 years down the road.

yep.... not sure how we can turn this around.... too much money is being spent on promoting stupid.

70 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:38:09am

re: #69 boxhead

yep... not sure how we can turn this around... too much money is being spent on promoting stupid.

It's become a damn badge of honor.

71 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:48:33am

Am I the last one standing? That's what happens when you take a nap late in the day. I win.

72 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:49:02am

re: #71 tnguitarist

Am I the last one standing? That's what happens when you take a nap late in the day. I win.

still here... lol

73 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:50:07am

re: #72 boxhead

still here... lol

Well, crap....

74 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:50:36am

re: #70 tnguitarist

It's become a damn badge of honor.

In one group you have those actually believe this stuff. Right behind them are those that, at least to me appear to only mouth the words for some reward down the road. The latter makes me ill.

75 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:52:26am

re: #74 boxhead

In one group you have those actually believe this stuff. Right behind them are those that, at least to me appear to only mouth the words for some reward down the road. The latter makes me ill.

They'll do anything to get back in power.

76 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:54:38am

re: #75 tnguitarist

They'll do anything to get back in power.

To what end? Those that are deluded don't have a clue. Those that delude don't give a rat's ass about USA. They only care about their wallets.

77 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:56:47am

re: #76 boxhead

To what end? Those that are deluded don't have a clue. Those that delude don't give a rat's ass about USA. They only care about their wallets.

All these tea party folks are being used and they are gonna be pissed when they wake up and figure it out.

78 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:00:33am

re: #77 tnguitarist

All these tea party folks are being used and they are gonna be pissed when they wake up and figure it out.

I think they won't know that that are being used cause their favorite source of info will say all is good and if it isn't, the *insert scary people here* are at fault.

pisses me off.......

79 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:04:40am

re: #78 boxhead

I think they won't know that that are being used cause their favorite source of info will say all is good and if it isn't, the *insert scary people here* are at fault.

pisses me off...

I wonder how ugly it will get if R's take back the house. Impeachment, anyone?

80 Lidane  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:08:19am

re: #79 tnguitarist

I wonder how ugly it will get if R's take back the house. Impeachment, anyone?

Let them try. There aren't any grounds for impeachment unless you believe the nirther assholes. Also, if the R's get bogged down and spend the next two years trying to oust Obama instead of focusing on issues people care about, they'll just succeed in pissing off the electorate in 2012.

81 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:09:28am

re: #79 tnguitarist

I wonder how ugly it will get if R's take back the house. Impeachment, anyone?

arg... and it will be a birther argument!!!! Obama has not done anything to warrant High Crimes or Misdemeanors. Doesn't anyone remember Civics class? What happened to critical thinking? bah!

Maybe that crazy lady with the rainbow conspiracy has it right. There IS something in the water.

82 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:11:22am

re: #80 Lidane

Let them try. There aren't any grounds for impeachment unless you believe the nirther assholes. Also, if the R's get bogged down and spend the next two years trying to oust Obama instead of focusing on issues people care about, they'll just succeed in pissing off the electorate in 2012.

I don't think it will stop them from trying.

83 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:13:02am

re: #80 Lidane

Let them try. There aren't any grounds for impeachment unless you believe the nirther assholes. Also, if the R's get bogged down and spend the next two years trying to oust Obama instead of focusing on issues people care about, they'll just succeed in pissing off the electorate in 2012.

If the R's win, then the powers that be will work very hard to keep deceiving the electorate. It is hard to reach folks that think only FOX tells the truth.

84 Lidane  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:14:14am

re: #82 tnguitarist

I don't think it will stop them from trying.

Oh, I don't doubt that. However, it'll go over about as well as Newt's brilliant plan to shut the government down did back in the 90's.

85 boxhead  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 2:14:23am

OK brothers/sisters in arms.... I am sufficiently riled up to have interesting dreams.... G'nite all...

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:04:34am

Happy Birthday Steve Carell! Born on the exact day in history as lil' ole' me.

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:07:30am

Crap! I share a birthday with George Galloway!

88 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:13:22am

Happy Birthday, FBV!
And many happy returns...

89 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:15:47am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crap! I share a birthday with George Galloway!

And Amos Alonzo Stagg...

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:16:47am

I share a birthday with Julie Newmar.

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:17:29am

Thanks, guys. 48 today...Ain't scared of fifty...

92 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:30:38am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fifty's the new 15!

Happy Birthday, FBV!

93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:36:23am

re: #92 MandyManners

Crap. Looks like I'm gonna have acne again.

94 Pass The Moonbaticide  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:39:17am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I share my birthday with your president.

Seriously
(Obama was early evening of 4th Aug in Hawaii.
I was 6AM of 5th, in Glasgow, Scotland. So allowing for the 10 hr behind ... )

/ You may all bow

PS If the astrologers are right, why am I not President ?

95 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:49:06am

In my opinion I really doubt that the Harpy would spend her own funds, which makes you wonder .

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:56:12am

re: #94 Pass The Moonbaticide

He says he was born on August 4th!

I'll bet he is not even a LEO!

97 Pass The Moonbaticide  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:01:44am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
He was born on August 4th.
I was born on 5th, but less than two hours later, allowing for the time difference

98 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:04:08am

re: #93 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crap. Looks like I'm gonna have acne again.

Good meds for it this time!

99 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:05:16am

re: #94 Pass The Moonbaticide


I share my birthday with your president.

Seriously
(Obama was early evening of 4th Aug in Hawaii.
I was 6AM of 5th, in Glasgow, Scotland. So allowing for the 10 hr behind ... )

/ You may all bow

PS If the astrologers are right, why am I not President ?

Show us your Nirth Sertifikit!!!

100 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:07:35am

re: #97 Pass The Moonbaticide

He might be a Virgo... I'm just sayin'...

101 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:02am

re: #98 MandyManners

Good meds for it this time!

Don't take the Accutane...
(he says two blown Achilles tendons later)

102 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:34am

re: #95 Thanos

In my opinion I really doubt that the Harpy would spend her own funds, which makes you wonder .

I wonder why she thinks anyone will really care.

BTW, has anyone else already noticed that PRNewswire is also used by CAIR and the Discovery Institute?

103 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:10:20am

re: #101 Taqyia2Me

Don't take the Accutane...
(he says two blown Achilles tendons later)

I've been hearing about bad side effects lately. Wasn't it tested enough before release?

104 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:06am

Gotta' git. I have a few tales about the scrimmage game that I might share when I get back.

105 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:02am

re: #103 MandyManners

I've been hearing about bad side effects lately. Wasn't it tested enough before release?

I'm nor sure about the adequate testing, but I sincerely hope there are now other, better treatments that do not have the bad side effects.

106 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:58am

re: #102 MandyManners

I wonder why she thinks anyone will really care.

BTW, has anyone else already noticed that PRNewswire is also used by CAIR and the Discovery Institute?

Yep, it's how they get their spam out. There are also a few fake "press outlets" for each as well as PRN that are set up to auto reprint their swill like it was a real news story instead of a paid for press release. It's how agitprop works. Horowitz is a master at it as well.

107 Wayne A. Schneider  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:36am

The human rights organization Stop Islamization of America

Ironic that a group of people who couldn't rightly be called "human" have created what they claim is a "human rights organization". I guess Freedom of Religion is not one of the human rights they believe in.

108 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:45:04am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

They hardly ever do it on purpose. Would you clobber a man that had already been disemvoweled?

Yes.

109 Virginia Plain  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:47:33am

re: #102 MandyManners

I wonder why she thinks anyone will really care.

BTW, has anyone else already noticed that PRNewswire is also used by CAIR and the Discovery Institute?

And the Church of $cientology too.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:53:23am

re: #107 Wayne A. Schneider

Yeah, that is ironic.

Of course, now that I think of it, women are human...

111 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:02:19am

Interesting article regarding the use of 9/11 families in this dispute.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

112 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:03:01am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Alfred Bester has got to be one of my favorite villians in Sci-Fi history.

Oh yeah. Loved to loathe that racist scumbag.

113 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:24am

re: #52 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh picking my fav from B5 is almost as tough as picking my fav from Firefly.

OK... G'kar... when it isn't Ivanova.


G'Kar for me. Didn't like him at first. Just another ardent nationalist.

But the shit he went through, and the way it never broke him, and the way he came out the other side a much better person than he had been? Gotta love that.

The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. The language is not Narn, or Human, or Centauri, or Gaim or Minbari. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognise this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one.

My favorite bit of G'Kar.

114 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:39am

re: #105 Taqyia2Me

I'm nor sure about the adequate testing, but I sincerely hope there are now other, better treatments that do not have the bad side effects.

I remember when it came out, the warnings that women of child-bearing age should in no way take this medicine unless they were either sterile or on reliable BC.

115 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:15:52am

Good Morning LGF.

116 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:17:21am

re: #106 Thanos

Yep, it's how they get their spam out. There are also a few fake "press outlets" for each as well as PRN that are set up to auto reprint their swill like it was a real news story instead of a paid for press release. It's how agitprop works. Horowitz is a master at it as well.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with an organization/individual paying to have a press release. It's up to the MFM outlet to determine if the information is correct.

117 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:33am

re: #109 Virginia Plain

And the Church of $cientology too.

Why don't they just hire Travolta's or Cruise's PR agency?

118 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:01am

re: #106 Thanos

Yep, it's how they get their spam out. There are also a few fake "press outlets" for each as well as PRN that are set up to auto reprint their swill like it was a real news story instead of a paid for press release. It's how agitprop works. Horowitz is a master at it as well.

BTW, the US government is a master of agit-prop, too. I studied the run-up to our bombing Libya in 1986, analyzing the coverage in the Wall Street Journal, the Christian Science Monitor, the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. Beautiful use of agit-prop.

119 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:31am

re: #115 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.

How's it haning?

120 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:18am

Pretty good post IMO:

Stuck on Stupid about Ground Zero

That was my experience, and each New Yorker has his or her own story. I won't even go into how I had to return to work the next Tuesday, computers working on generators as our only lights, trying hard to churn out urgent legal work in the midst of a pungent, choking haze of burning plastic, metal and bodies. We all got through it. Well, some of the secretaries in the firm decided to never come back. To take a break, I'd walk the six blocks from my office to Ground Zero and gaze upon the remains of the twin towers, reaching upward like a skeletal hand. Sure, I hated the stark architecture of the twin towers and wished they hadn't been built - but I didn't want them to be taken down this way, and now the remains are deeply beloved.

With all that past still very much present within me, I have no problem welcoming a mosque to lower Manhattan, just as I welcome any other place of worship to service and give comfort to the people who live and work in the area. Those of you on the outside who have long disdained New York, who are you to suddenly dictate what should be built in our neighborhood? And those family members of 9/11 victims opposed to the mosque, I'm sorry for your loss, but don't lecture me about loved ones dying. I've lost both parents and several other loved ones, but I'm not going to claim the location of their death as a personal cemetery. All New Yorkers suffered a huge loss that day, when the government failed to protect us and we as Americans finally learned what it means to be under attack. No New Yorker or American will ever be the same.

We are building a memorial for those who died and we will always honor the incredible sacrifice of the first responders and the ordinary people who became heroes because they died simply for going to their jobs. But those few who would appropriate the whole area out of a misguided sense of self-righteousness or to advance narrow political objectives are wrong.

As you can see, New York, and especially lower Manhattan, is moving forward, thriving in our country's freedom and the comfort of knowing that our country's ideals of equality and justice govern. There's much to do. If a mosque can attract capable and productive residents, go ahead and build it! All who are smart, talented, skilled and forward-looking, you are most welcome. We do not discriminate based on religion, but rather on skills, intelligence and a broad worldview. Those who are stuck on stupid, who have, in effect, let the terrorists win by forcing us to abandon our core constitutional values, please get out of the way. We're too busy for this nonsense.

121 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:35:00am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, guys. 48 today...Ain't scared of fifty...

Congrats. You're going to have to change your nick to Old Fat Bastard.

122 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:42am

Good morning, all!

An amazingly interesting page (and thread) from LVQ - Political Pornography.

And for anyone who wants to, here is a page for well-wishes for Albusteve. Everyone is invited to send him their thoughts; we'll send him the link to the page when he's up and around (which may be a bit)

123 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:46am

g

124 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:37:46am

re: #91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Thanks, guys. 48 today...Ain't scared of fifty...

Fifty's not bad. Neither is 57 (argh! Where did that old hag come from when I look in the mirror??? oops. Nevermind).

It's the same as the 40's, except older.

125 Bubblehead II  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:38:25am

Morning all. Just a drive by post.

Coming to the fever swamps near you.

Proof! I tell you, Proof, that the "Ground Zero" Mosque is an evil plot by those evil muslims to build a shrine to the 9-11 hijackers.


//

I only wish. But I just have this feeling the Harpy and Company will take this ball and run with it as far as they can.

Now, time to get ready for work.

L8R

126 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:39am

re: #120 negativ

Pretty good post IMO:

Stuck on Stupid about Ground Zero

Nice piece. As she says, everyone who lives or works downtown has a similar story.

127 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:53:32am

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Good luck. It would be interesting to categorize them by linked delusions. Like the set that has chem trails and the set that has black helicopters etc...

Sprinkler rainbows!

128 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:59:56am

re: #126 garhighway

Nice piece. As she says, everyone who lives or works downtown has a similar story.

Here is the story of Tilly, a Lizard who was in one of the WTC buildings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

129 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:11:35am

Has everyone seen this already?

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
[Link: www.salon.com...]


In a story last week, the New York Times, which framed the project in a largely positive, noncontroversial light last December, argued that it was cursed from the start by "public relations missteps." But this isn't accurate. To a remarkable extent, a Salon review of the origins of the story found, the controversy was kicked up and driven by Pamela Geller, a right-wing, viciously anti-Muslim, conspiracy-mongering blogger, whose sinister portrayal of the project was embraced by Rupert Murdoch's New York Post.

I'm not sure Geller deserves all the credit/blame for the media relations nightmare that is the Cordoba house.

130 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:15:46am

Recent CNN Poll certainly accounts for Obama's "clarification":

41. As you may know, a group of Muslims in the U.S. plan to build a mosque two blocks from the site in New York City where the World Trade Center used to stand. Do you favor or oppose this plan?
Aug. 6-10
2010
Favor 29%
Oppose 68%
No opinion 3%
The CNN poll, which surveyed 1,009 adults, has a margin of error of ±3.0 percentage points.


Instead of sticking with his pro-mosque Ramadan speech, he just couldn't resist the chance to pander to the popular anti-mosque sentiment by later stating that the mosque development is not necessarily a wise decision by Muslims.

Apparently the vast majority of Americans, like Obama, do not necessarily believe that the location of the mosque is a wise decision.

131 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:20:22am

re: #130 Spare O'Lake

Recent CNN Poll certainly accounts for Obama's "clarification":


Instead of sticking with his pro-mosque Ramadan speech, he just couldn't resist the chance to pander to the popular anti-mosque sentiment by later stating that the mosque development is not necessarily a wise decision by Muslims.

Apparently the vast majority of Americans, like Obama, do not necessarily believe that the location of the mosque is a wise decision.

I think those numbers are similar to the ones from Fox.

BTW, didn't BHO refuse to go into his thoughts on the wisdom of the decision?

132 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:20:32am

re: #114 MandyManners

I remember when it came out, the warnings that women of child-bearing age should in no way take this medicine unless they were either sterile or on reliable BC.

Yep, let's hope this drug is off the market now.

133 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:03am

re: #129 RogueOne

Has everyone seen this already?

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
[Link: www.salon.com...]


I'm not sure Geller deserves all the credit/blame for the media relations nightmare that is the Cordoba house.

Sheer idiocy to ascribe that kind of influence to the shreiky harpy.

134 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:13am

re: #130 Spare O'Lake

So you ignore Charles' post about this again, wait for another day, and drop your self-fulfilling opinion again. Think you'll get some new converts this time?

135 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:24:05am

re: #130 Spare O'Lake

It isn't the presidents fault that so many people jumped the gun and misread his remarks as an endorsement of the Cordoba house. All he was saying is that they have a right to build on private property as long as it satisfies local ordinances and laws. It wasn't meant to be an endorsement, just a clarification of the legalities involved.

Greenwald:
[Link: www.salon.com...]


But by insisting now that he was merely commenting on the technical "rights" of the project developers -- as a way of responding to Republican criticism that he was advocating for the project itself -- he has diminished his remarks from a courageous and inspiring act into a non sequitur, somewhat of an irrelevancy. After all, the "right" of the mosque isn't really in question and didn't need a defense.
136 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:20am

re: #134 Stanley Sea

So you ignore Charles' post about this again, wait for another day, and drop your self-fulfilling opinion again. Think you'll get some new converts this time?

I am now seeing nothing but full agreement with my criticism of Obama on both CNN and Fox.

137 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:48am

Moe Bullshit?

And Now, Hamas

How do you gas up the Ground Zero Mosque story as it heads into week four? Talk to Mahmoud al-Zahar and get Hamas to endorse it.

"We have to build everywhere," said Mahmoud al-Zahar, a co-founder of Hamas and the organization's chief on the Gaza Strip.

"In every area we have, [as] Muslim[s], we have to pray, and this mosque is the only site of prayer," he said on "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC.

"We have to build the mosque, as you are allowed to build the church and Israelis are building their holy places."

The medium is the message here. Aaron Klein is the Jerusalem-based author of "The Manchurian President," one of the most wild anti-Obama books out there (among other things, it presents evidence that President Obama is not an American citizen and that Bill Ayers wrote "Dreams From My Father"). He's also tried this trick before. In 2008, he conducted an interview with Ahmed Yousef in which the Hamas political adviser "endorsed" Obama. Cue: Days of headlines and weeks of "why isn't the media covering this" blog posts about Klein's great scoop. This is the guy you want running your news cycle?

138 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:28am

re: #132 Taqyia2Me

Yep, let's hope this drug is off the market now.

According to its Wiki, it's not. Also according to Wiki, it was developed as chemotherapy for brain and pancreatic cancer.

139 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:29:37am

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Sheer idiocy to ascribe that kind of influence to the shreiky harpy.

Is it analogous to MSNBC's portraying Pat Buchanan as a leading voice in the GOP?

140 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:30:03am

re: #131 MandyManners

I think those numbers are similar to the ones from Fox.

BTW, didn't BHO refuse to go into his thoughts on the wisdom of the decision?

Correct. His "clarification" was an off-the-cuff (i.e. unscripted) response to a CNN reporter's question and was a stupid PR gaffe.

141 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:34:08am

Ayn Rand cultist goes on world's dumbest roadtrip

One man drove 12,238 miles across 30 states to scrawl a message that can only be viewed using Google Earth. His big shoutout: “Read Ayn Rand.”

Nick Newcomen did a road trip over 30 days that covered stretches from the Pacific to the Atlantic Ocean. First, he identified on a map the route he would need to drive to spell out the message. He put a GPS device in his car to trace the route he would follow. Then, he hit the road.

O Superman!

142 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:12am

The idiocy abounds when it comes to Cordoba House. Geller and her friends are busy conflating matters by claiming the mosque and community center will be built at Ground Zero when it is several blocks away.

They claim that it somehow violates the sanctity of the site, but ignore the pawn shops, porn shops, tittie bars, saloons, and trinket shops all within blocks of Ground Zero.

But if you think the idiocy is confined to Geller and the SIOE, you'd be wrong.

Mike Lupica, a sports reporter who fancies himself as an opinionist would rather let the issue be decided by the families of 9/11 victims.

That would be the same bunch of people who couldn't agree on what should be built within Ground Zero itself. Some wanted no office space. Some wanted a rebuilt Twin Towers. Some wanted nothing but memorials and museums. Some wanted the debris carted back to Ground Zero because of the possibility of remains found pulverized among the millions of tons of debris that was carted to Fresh Kills.

No. The matter was decided by the local community - and they're the ones in a position to know what their community wants. They weighed the pros and cons. They voted for its approval. They voted to deny landmarking status. They took measure of the situation and the construction of a mosque and community center near Ground Zero and decided that this was in their interests.

143 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:47am

Ex-inmate, now cleared, ponders the value of 27 years

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]


He ponders, he says, whether to take a $2.2 million compensation payment from the state or file a lawsuit in the hope of exposing the truth about the investigation that led to his incarceration. To receive the compensation, he must waive the right to sue.

"What I really need to do is to make them pay for what they done to me," he says. "Two-point-two million dollars is nothing when it comes to 27 years of my life."

Green, 45, was set free by a state judge two weeks ago after DNA tests on the rape victim's clothing proved that he could not have been responsible for the crime. His exoneration was the work of a new unit in the Harris County district attorney's office dedicated to reviewing claims of innocence.

144 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:40am

re: #142 lawhawk

Mike Lupica, a sports reporter who fancies himself as an opinionist would rather let the issue be decided by the families of 9/11 victims.

Like Olbermann.

145 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:40:51am

re: #143 RogueOne

Ex-inmate, now cleared, ponders the value of 27 years

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

Why not take the money and then work with crew or journalists to get the truth out there? Sell it to Hollywood?

146 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:40:52am

re: #137 Killgore Trout

Hamas sees controversy and flies to it like moths to a flame. It doesn't matter that the mosque is being built by Sufis, who wouldn't stand much of a chance with the Hamas thugs (they'd be considered apostates too). They just figure to make an even bigger muddled mess than there is now - and that's despite the fact that the local community already approved its site and plan for community center and mosque.

147 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:41:28am

re: #142 lawhawk

Excellent post!

148 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:42:01am

re: #142 lawhawk

The idiocy abounds when it comes to Cordoba House. Geller and her friends are busy conflating matters by claiming the mosque and community center will be built at Ground Zero when it is several blocks away.

They claim that it somehow violates the sanctity of the site, but ignore the pawn shops, porn shops, tittie bars, saloons, and trinket shops all within blocks of Ground Zero.

But if you think the idiocy is confined to Geller and the SIOE, you'd be wrong.

Mike Lupica, a sports reporter who fancies himself as an opinionist would rather let the issue be decided by the families of 9/11 victims.

That would be the same bunch of people who couldn't agree on what should be built within Ground Zero itself. Some wanted no office space. Some wanted a rebuilt Twin Towers. Some wanted nothing but memorials and museums. Some wanted the debris carted back to Ground Zero because of the possibility of remains found pulverized among the millions of tons of debris that was carted to Fresh Kills.

No. The matter was decided by the local community - and they're the ones in a position to know what their community wants. They weighed the pros and cons. They voted for its approval. They voted to deny landmarking status. They took measure of the situation and the construction of a mosque and community center near Ground Zero and decided that this was in their interests.

Yes, it should be a local issue. But the issue has now assumed national dimensions, and I expect it will be impossible to put the genie back into the lamp.

149 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:19am

re: #146 lawhawk

I doubt it's true. Aaron Klein has made up shit before.

150 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:31am

Expect to see more Democrats go over to the dark side...

But some top Florida Democrats were sharply critical of Obama. "President Obama has this all wrong," said Jeff Greene, who is running for U.S. Senate. "Freedom of religion might provide the right to build the mosque in the shadow of ground zero, but common sense and respect for those who lost their lives and loved ones gives sensible reason to build the mosque someplace else. President Obama had the chance to show leadership by calling on the mosque's supporters to find a more appropriate location."

Nationally, Democrats were largely quiet, but in Florida, Chief Financial Officer Alex Sink, a Democratic candidate for governor, joined in the criticism.

"Like all Floridians, I'm grateful for our constitutional right to freedom of religion. When it comes to what to build close to the hallowed site of ground zero, I think it ought to be up to the people of New York City to decide," she said. "It is my personal opinion that the wishes of the 9/11 victims' families and friends must be respected. They are opposed to this project and I share their view," Sink added.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

151 allegro  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:45:24am

re: #148 Spare O'Lake

Yes, it should be a local issue. But the issue has now assumed national dimensions, and I expect it will be impossible to put the genie back into the lamp.

Not as long as idiot hysterics keep pounding away at the lunacy. Honestly, aren't there enough real issues to keep y'all amused?

152 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:46:09am

re: #146 lawhawk

Hamas sees controversy and flies to it like moths to a flame. It doesn't matter that the mosque is being built by Sufis, who wouldn't stand much of a chance with the Hamas thugs (they'd be considered apostates too). They just figure to make an even bigger muddled mess than there is now - and that's despite the fact that the local community already approved its site and plan for community center and mosque.

Perhaps Hamas supports the Sufi mosque because the Imam has steadfastly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization.

153 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:47:35am

re: #149 Killgore Trout

I doubt it's true. Aaron Klein has made up shit before.

Was he making up the stuff in his audio interview that Charles linked to over the last two days? The audio material that WND failed to include in their article about the mosque, by Klein.

Can't have it both ways, he's either a source or not.

154 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:48:49am

OT: S.C. upholds sanction against Taitz

155 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:49:37am

re: #145 MandyManners

Why not take the money and then work with crew or journalists to get the truth out there? Sell it to Hollywood?

I would think he would need some form of discovery process to get to the bottom of his case although it probably doesn't matter. Even if he manages to prove the prosecutors intentionally put him in prison when they knew he couldn't have been guilty they still have immunity. Even if they lied to put him in prison they still have immunity.

156 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:52:45am

In case you are wondering where the right is headed today:

Image: hamasmosque.JPG

Via Greg Sargent.

Just watch it play out.

157 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:06am

re: #151 allegro

Not as long as idiot hysterics keep pounding away at the lunacy. Honestly, aren't there enough real issues to keep y'all amused?

"Idiot hysterics" is exactly right.

Now watch them to to make this into a process issue: "I agree they have the right to build it, but I am concerned about the process...."

Or: "I agree they have the right to build it, but I am concerned about the way BHO is handling this..."

Everyone loves the First Amendment. Except when it applies to people they don't like.

158 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:20am

The Independents join the dark side...

"Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal."

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

(Source - fair and balanced CNN)

159 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:58:35am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

Coincides with this poll:

[Link: thehill.com...]


Fifty-two percent of independents backed President Obama over Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008, and 49 percent went for Democratic House candidates to 41 percent for Republicans.

But the AP polling now shows just 32 percent of independents wanting Democrats to hold on to Congress in November's midterm elections.

My math tells me that means roughly 68% don't want dems to control the house any longer, basically a 20pt swing in 2 years.

160 darthstar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:01:26am

re: #129 RogueOne

Has everyone seen this already?

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
[Link: www.salon.com...]

I'm not sure Geller deserves all the credit/blame for the media relations nightmare that is the Cordoba house.

No, she doesn't deserve ALL of the credit. The national media was only too willing to play along. And once again, the Breitbart/O'Keefe/Gellar team manage to control the national dialog.

161 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:02:09am

Reason #1 for why I don't watch cable news programming:

Will Cable News Channels Ever Punish Incorrect Pundits?
[Link: www.mediabistro.com...]


Libertarian magazine Reason hosts a blog from Radley Balko that takes on the cable news pundit class, harshly criticizing the networks for allowing ideologues to effectively make up facts without repercussions.

Balko spends much of the piece discussing regular TV legal pundit Wendy Murphy (right), who he debated on fellow libertarian John Stossel's Fox Business show:

It's all theater, you see. She's just playing a part. It's fine if she slanders some people, ruins some reputations, spouts flat falsehoods, and generally dumbs down the public discourse. Because it's just entertainment. It's what pundits do.

Cable news is about lining people up on either side and letting them go at it. There's no room for subtlety. There's certainly no time for fact-checking a guest's claims, even after the segment airs. Murphy is pretty, provocative, and confrontational. She's great TV. That she's inaccurate, slanderous, and hysterical is beside the point.

162 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:02:18am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

And how many of those polled know where the mosque/community center will be built when compared to Ground Zero? How many know that there are two other mosques in situ near Ground Zero? How many know that a mosque/prayer space opened within the Pentagon after 9/11?

The media coverage on all this has been absolutely atrocious, and that adds to the mess. Politicians are pushing the issue as a hoped-for political advantage, and opponents are more than willing to run roughshod over the US constitution and the right to build there. They're moreover willing to run roughshod over the local community's right to decide what should be built in their community (the ultimate application of local control on issues of local concern).

163 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:03:28am

Records Show Military Surveyed Troops’ Attitudes Towards Jews In 1940s

Yesterday I returned to the National Archives to recover a military survey administered between 1946 and 1947 about troops’ attitudes towards not only black people, but also Jews. In one part of the survey, non-Jewish, white troops were asked to mark “agree” or “disagree” to a series of statements “mostly about stereotypes” of Jews.

Consider these:

“There is nothing good about Jews.” (Agree: 86%, Disagree: 13%)

I wonder how a politician who dared go against *that* majority opinion back in the 40s would have fared?

164 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:06:51am

re: #163 publicityStunted

And that would likely include US troops who liberated the death camps and concentration camps in Western Europe:

U.S. forces liberated the Buchenwald concentration camp near Weimar, Germany, on April 11, 1945, a few days after the Nazis began evacuating the camp. On the day of liberation, an underground prisoner resistance organization seized control of Buchenwald to prevent atrocities by the retreating camp guards. American forces liberated more than 20,000 prisoners at Buchenwald. They also liberated Dora-Mittelbau, Flossenbürg, Dachau, and Mauthausen.

In other words, those views persisted despite the horrors displayed for all the world to see with the liberation of the camps.

165 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:07:00am

What did Pam do before she found her calling as an anti-Islam extremist?

166 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:09:14am

re: #162 lawhawk

And how many of those polled know where the mosque/community center will be built when compared to Ground Zero? How many know that there are two other mosques in situ near Ground Zero? How many know that a mosque/prayer space opened within the Pentagon after 9/11?

The media coverage on all this has been absolutely atrocious, and that adds to the mess. Politicians are pushing the issue as a hoped-for political advantage, and opponents are more than willing to run roughshod over the US constitution and the right to build there. They're moreover willing to run roughshod over the local community's right to decide what should be built in their community (the ultimate application of local control on issues of local concern).

I am in 100 percent agreement with you and others about this mosque, but, populist opinion has a can shape policy. That's what is happening here, and I don't think it's going to stop. And bottom line, whether good, bad, indifferent, populist opinion, movements, policies are part of what moves our country, our politics, just as much as conservative principles and liberal principles and so on.

It's all part of the mix, and at times, it take the lead... like it or not, rational or not.

That's my point.

167 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:10:28am

re: #165 JasonA

What did Pam do before she found her calling as an anti-Islam extremist?

I think she worked in publishing. Odd career for an illiterate.

168 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:10:29am

re: #165 JasonA

What did Pam do before she found her calling as an anti-Islam extremist?

iirc,,, she was a regular here and the crazy was already starting to be apparent!

169 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:11:54am

re: #162 lawhawk

And how many of those polled know where the mosque/community center will be built when compared to Ground Zero? How many know that there are two other mosques in situ near Ground Zero? How many know that a mosque/prayer space opened within the Pentagon after 9/11?

The media coverage on all this has been absolutely atrocious, and that adds to the mess. Politicians are pushing the issue as a hoped-for political advantage, and opponents are more than willing to run roughshod over the US constitution and the right to build there. They're moreover willing to run roughshod over the local community's right to decide what should be built in their community (the ultimate application of local control on issues of local concern).

Of course, because it's ok to publicly hate Muslims.

The Dome of the Rock has been sitting on top of the Jewish Holy Temple for some 1300 years. We got over it. We get over A LOT.

Why doesn't that nasty skank go stand in front of The Temple and yell about the Muslims there? Because she can't. Because someone would knock her upside the head.

But here, it's ok to hate Muslims in public. God bless America.

I'm so sick to death of this argument already.

170 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:12:05am

re: #167 Killgore Trout

I think she worked in publishing. Odd career for an illiterate.

Lots of jobs in "publishing"

Unless she was a proof reader or editor being well versed in literacy is not a pre-requisite

171 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:12:49am

re: #167 Killgore Trout

She was at the NY Daily News and later became assistant publisher at the NY Observer.

173 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:14:10am

re: #152 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps Hamas supports the Sufi mosque because the Imam has steadfastly refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization.

Rauf has refused?

174 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:14:41am

re: #154 Radicchio ad Absurdum

OT: S.C. upholds sanction against Taitz

The USSC?

175 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:20am

re: #173 MandyManners

Rauf has refused?

Stop feigning surprise... that's my job.

176 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:29am

re: #155 RogueOne

I would think he would need some form of discovery process to get to the bottom of his case although it probably doesn't matter. Even if he manages to prove the prosecutors intentionally put him in prison when they knew he couldn't have been guilty they still have immunity. Even if they lied to put him in prison they still have immunity.

Journalists can get to the paperwork through FOIA.

177 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:39am

re: #158 Walter L. Newton

How bad was work last night?

178 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:17:03am

Good Morning Lizards! Vacation day!

179 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:17:35am

re: #176 MandyManners

Journalists can get to the paperwork through FOIA.

but they can't interrogate the prosecutors/LEOs involved.

180 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:29am

re: #175 Walter L. Newton

Stop feigning surprise... that's my job.

I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same person.

181 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:56am

re: #179 RogueOne

but they can't interrogate the prosecutors/LEOs involved.

No but, they can hound the hell out of them.

182 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:19:26am

re: #174 MandyManners

The USSC?

NYT says Justice Alito denied her request to block the sanctions.

183 RogueOne  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:19:56am

Taking off for lunch, bbiab.....

184 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:21:14am

re: #177 sattv4u2

How bad was work last night?

Like I mentioned yesterday evening, I have no idea why ANYONE was scheduled until 11:30pm last night in the front end. The overnight cashier, who monitors self-scan and stocks the cereal aisle, comes in at 10:00pm and is there all night, It was a Sunday night, even a 24 hours store like ours doesn't get really busy up in the mountains at that time on a Sunday night.

Silly thing is, they had a HEAD CLERK scheduled until the same time. These "schedule blocks" all come from Kroger corporate, a computer, part of the Engineered Labor Management SYstem and the Key Retailing system... in short, software trying to figure out the nuances of staffing a large, 24 hour a day supermarket in the mountains alone a tourist route... doesn't work... Kroger has lost money because of these new systems, which were integrated into the business over the last few years.

185 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:23:03am

re: #18 simoom

Anyway, Heather mentions how her employer attempted to encourage prominent national security figures to be more open with their dismay over all the US anti-mosque demagoguery, and here's my quick transcript of that bit:

Heather: There's a lot of people who should be hit for not saying anything and we, frankly -- we spent a little time trying to, sort of, gin up more serious national security types to go out and say things and the level of fear that has been instilled over, you know, 'what will happen to me if I say something on this issue', was really, as a civil libertarian, very, very disappointing to me.

So let me get this straight...she claims as a civil libertarian she is disappointed that reputable people in national security did not want to ruin their reputations in a vulgar debate by endorsing the denial of civil liberties to a minority group...??!!

Up is down, black is white, and Big Brother loves me. Christ! Orwell was right.

186 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:23:21am

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Lizards! Vacation day!

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

I know what you mean

"Corporate" tried to take over our scheduling a few years back(we are also 24/7)

They had NO clue what a can of worms they had opened

They abandoned the project less than 1 month in

187 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:24:21am

re: #182 Radicchio ad Absurdum

NYT says Justice Alito denied her request to block the sanctions.

Fantastic!!!

188 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:24:56am

re: #182 Radicchio ad Absurdum

NYT says Justice Alito denied her request to block the sanctions.

My guess is she'll keep going. Think Scalia might bite? Although if Alito and Thomas already turned her down she's probably not going to get any further without getting contempt on top of what she's already been given.

189 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:24:58am

re: #182 Radicchio ad Absurdum

[Link: www.supremecourt.gov...]

10A56
TAITZ, ORLY V. MACDONALD, THOMAS D., ET AL.
The application for stay addressed to Justice Alito and
referred to the Court is denied.

That means that the $20,000 in fines against Taitz are upheld and the liens against her can be enforced.

She's said that she would pay the fine rather than allow the government to enforce the liens.

The $20k smackdown is just the start. Disbarment can't come soon enough for this disgrace to the legal system.

190 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:25:45am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Like I mentioned yesterday evening, I have no idea why ANYONE was scheduled until 11:30pm last night in the front end. The overnight cashier, who monitors self-scan and stocks the cereal aisle, comes in at 10:00pm and is there all night, It was a Sunday night, even a 24 hours store like ours doesn't get really busy up in the mountains at that time on a Sunday night.

Silly thing is, they had a HEAD CLERK scheduled until the same time. These "schedule blocks" all come from Kroger corporate, a computer, part of the Engineered Labor Management SYstem and the Key Retailing system... in short, software trying to figure out the nuances of staffing a large, 24 hour a day supermarket in the mountains alone a tourist route... doesn't work... Kroger has lost money because of these new systems, which were integrated into the business over the last few years.

Reminds me of the K-Mart deep in the Smokey Mountains that didn't sell snow shovels because corporate said there was no need to sell them.

191 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:26:26am

re: #177 sattv4u2

How bad was work last night?

I really didn't answer you question, did I. It was slow and boring, the head clerk let me leave at 10:40 instead of staying until 11:30, since it was evident I wasn't needed that late. I lost an hour, but I don't care, I could have stayed if I want. And I have a 4 hour shift this morning/early afternoon.

For a matter of fact, my schedule is crazy this week (and last week)... good old ELMS computer scheduling is loosing it's mind.

And they threw me into general merchandise again this week, still covering for some vacationing people, have a 6:00am-10:00am shift Tuesday and a 4:00am - 12:30pm shift on Thursday.

They are short in GM, and I told them point blank, I am not going to move over to GM as my regular job duties... I'll walk.

192 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:26:43am

re: #188 PT Barnum

She's made it clear that she doesn't care one whit for Supreme Court submission rules (forms and guides for appeals submissions). She's even questioned whether Justice Thomas signed the initial order against her.

She wont stop until she's disbarred, and even then, she isn't going to stop being a nutbar. The $20k in sanctions clearly wont be enough either.

193 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:27:13am

re: #189 lawhawk

[Link: www.supremecourt.gov...] 610zr.pdf


That means that the $20,000 in fines against Taitz are upheld and the liens against her can be enforced.

She's said that she would pay the fine rather than allow the government to enforce the liens.

The $20k smackdown is just the start. Disbarment can't come soon enough for this disgrace to the legal system.

What has she done that will lead to disbarment?

194 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:28:43am

re: #192 lawhawk

She's made it clear that she doesn't care one whit for Supreme Court submission rules (forms and guides for appeals submissions). She's even questioned whether Justice Thomas signed the initial order against her.

She wont stop until she's disbarred, and even then, she isn't going to stop being a nutbar. The $20k in sanctions clearly wont be enough either.

And the world will breathe a sigh of relief.

195 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:28:44am

re: #189 lawhawk

[Link: www.supremecourt.gov...] 610zr.pdf

Disbarment can't come soon enough for this disgrace to the legal system.

Lets hope her local Bar agrees with your assessment.

196 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:29:15am

re: #189 lawhawk

[Link: www.supremecourt.gov...] 610zr.pdf

That means that the $20,000 in fines against Taitz are upheld and the liens against her can be enforced.

She's said that she would pay the fine rather than allow the government to enforce the liens.

The $20k smackdown is just the start. Disbarment can't come soon enough for this disgrace to the legal system.

She still has that DDS to fall back on.

197 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:29:24am

re: #193 MandyManners

What has she done that will lead to disbarment?

An attorney can't abuse the system the way she has.

198 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:30:43am

re: #193 MandyManners

Frivolous actions, repeated filings of papers that aren't of proper form. Violating the state bar ethics guidelines, etc.

That's more than sufficient to be disbarred.

199 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:31:24am

re: #196 celticdragon

Somehow, I think her bedside manner is akin to this:

Youtube Video
200 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:32:07am

re: #197 marjoriemoon

An attorney can't abuse the system the way she has.

You can be sanctioned and/ or reprimanded and/or fined and/or held in contempt for that

But I don't believe you can be disbarred for that

LAWHAWK ,,,, your take ??

201 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:32:31am

re: #200 sattv4u2

You can be sanctioned and/ or reprimanded and/or fined and/or held in contempt for that

But I don't believe you can be disbarred for that

LAWHAWK ,,,, your take ??

Absolutely.

202 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:32:36am

re: #199 lawhawk

Can you imagine being stuck in her chair while she rattles off all of her latest insane theories? I swear there isn't enough novacaine in the world to compensate for that.

203 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:32:37am

re: #197 marjoriemoon

An attorney can't abuse the system the way she has.

She received her law degree from Taft Law School[3] (an online institution not accredited by the American Bar Association) and passed the California bar examination in 2002.[10]

So much for non-accredited online law degrees.

204 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:32:38am

re: #200 sattv4u2

heh ,,198 took care of that

Thanks Law

205 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:33:39am

re: #190 MandyManners

Reminds me of the K-Mart deep in the Smokey Mountains that didn't sell snow shovels because corporate said there was no need to sell them.

In Kroger Corporation's case, that's a system called Key Retailing. It compares past sales, staffing, inventory and other parameters and decides how many steaks should be in the meat cooler.

Customer be damned if there is a run on steaks on a given day, or say a weekend, say during a big local high school game or event, or a local concert, or really nice weather and people decide to have BBQ's or a lot of tourists come through and want to buy things for camping.

Doesn't matter, if Key Retailing says to have 6 steaks for that given day, and only 2 people staffing the meat department, tough shit for the customer.

From what I gather, these sort of automated staffing and inventory systems are the norm in the business, and they are also full of holes and very buggy... but these large retail chains are working off thousands and thousands of transactions, sales and customers, and they are only interested in the bottom line.

They will only adjust these silly schemes when it the bottom line changes, and only enough to tweak things. It's a constant cat and mouse game, cut cost, cut service, but don't loose customers.

206 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:33:47am

re: #203 celticdragon

She received her law degree from Taft Law School[3] (an online institution not accredited by the American Bar Association) and passed the California bar examination in 2002.[10]

So much for non-accredited online law degrees.

Probably had a hidden transmitter in one of her teeth feeding her the answers.

Okay, I know, but it's at least as sane as any of her batshit crazy ideas.

207 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:34:06am

re: #199 lawhawk

Somehow, I think her bedside manner is akin to this:

[Video]

LMAO! You have to wonder who her patients are, especially in California!

208 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:34:42am

re: #207 celticdragon

LMAO! You have to wonder who her patients are, especially in California!

California is like granola...full of fruits and nuts.

209 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:37:16am

re: #200 sattv4u2

[Link: ethics.calbar.ca.gov...]

Bringing frivolous lawsuits can be grounds for disbarment. She's clogging up the courts with her repeated claims, requests for orders, appeals, etc., and each court has repeatedly found against her - lacking standing, basis in fact, etc.

210 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:38:56am

re: #197 marjoriemoon

An attorney can't abuse the system the way she has.

re: #198 lawhawk

Frivolous actions, repeated filings of papers that aren't of proper form. Violating the state bar ethics guidelines, etc.

That's more than sufficient to be disbarred.

I'm sure judges everywhere will breathe a sigh of relief.

That'll really crank up her and other conspiracy theorists.

211 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:39:31am

re: #200 sattv4u2

You can be sanctioned and/ or reprimanded and/or fined and/or held in contempt for that

But I don't believe you can be disbarred for that

LAWHAWK ,,,, your take ??

Yea, you can.

Judge Clay Land in Georgia, the one who fined her the $20k for misconduct, wrote a scathing 43 page Order against her ([Link: www.law.com...]

"The absolute absence of any legitimate legal argument, combined with the political diatribe in her motions, demonstrates that Ms. Taitz's purpose is to advance a political agenda and not to pursue a legitimate legal cause of action," Land found. "[C]ounsel's wild accusations may be protected by the First Amendment when she makes them on her blog or in her press conferences, but the federal courts are reserved for hearing genuine legal disputes, not as a platform for political rhetoric and insults."

212 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:40:17am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

In Kroger Corporation's case, that's a system called Key Retailing. It compares past sales, staffing, inventory and other parameters and decides how many steaks should be in the meat cooler.

Customer be damned if there is a run on steaks on a given day, or say a weekend, say during a big local high school game or event, or a local concert, or really nice weather and people decide to have BBQ's or a lot of tourists come through and want to buy things for camping.

Doesn't matter, if Key Retailing says to have 6 steaks for that given day, and only 2 people staffing the meat department, tough shit for the customer.

From what I gather, these sort of automated staffing and inventory systems are the norm in the business, and they are also full of holes and very buggy... but these large retail chains are working off thousands and thousands of transactions, sales and customers, and they are only interested in the bottom line.

They will only adjust these silly schemes when it the bottom line changes, and only enough to tweak things. It's a constant cat and mouse game, cut cost, cut service, but don't loose customers.

A store loses me as a customer if I can't get what I want.

213 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:31am

BB later this afternoon... got to go to work...

214 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:43:19am

re: #211 marjoriemoon

I'm sorry

Did I miss the part in there where the judge asked for her disbarment??

215 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:43:30am

re: #212 MandyManners

A store loses me as a customer if I can't get what I want.

in bed

216 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:44:13am

re: #214 sattv4u2

I'm sorry

Did I miss the part in there where the judge asked for her disbarment??

I don't think that's how it works.

217 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:44:24am

re: #203 celticdragon

She received her law degree from Taft Law School[3] (an online institution not accredited by the American Bar Association) and passed the California bar examination in 2002.[10]

So much for non-accredited online law degrees.

State bars as well as medical boards don't revoke licenses easily. I worked for a med mal firm where we sued this doc who had what we called a "rap sheet". Case after case after case of malpractice. Operating on the wrong body parts, giving the wrong medication, and they just move him from hospital to hospital. You'd be surprised how often that happens.

I worked for a group of attorneys years ago where 3 were disbarred for conflict of interest breaches involving millions of dollars.

218 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:45:23am

re: #214 sattv4u2

I'm sorry

Did I miss the part in there where the judge asked for her disbarment??

Oh for goodness sake. That is the judge who fined her and complained about her. She has not been disbarred as Lawhawk pointed out, but she's getting to that point.

219 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:45:25am

re: #205 Walter L. Newton

In Kroger Corporation's case, that's a system called Key Retailing. It compares past sales, staffing, inventory and other parameters and decides how many steaks should be in the meat cooler.

Customer be damned if there is a run on steaks on a given day, or say a weekend, say during a big local high school game or event, or a local concert, or really nice weather and people decide to have BBQ's or a lot of tourists come through and want to buy things for camping.

Doesn't matter, if Key Retailing says to have 6 steaks for that given day, and only 2 people staffing the meat department, tough shit for the customer.

From what I gather, these sort of automated staffing and inventory systems are the norm in the business, and they are also full of holes and very buggy... but these large retail chains are working off thousands and thousands of transactions, sales and customers, and they are only interested in the bottom line.

They will only adjust these silly schemes when it the bottom line changes, and only enough to tweak things. It's a constant cat and mouse game, cut cost, cut service, but don't loose customers.

Walgreens has butchered their customer service (which had been the best reason to deal with their high prices) while keeping the prices up. On many weekends, they now refuse to staff any pharm techs in the pharmacy and the pharmacist works a 12 hour shift alone. All of their health and beauty middle management was let go nationwide. They were the people who trained the senior beauty adviser in each store (like my spouse) on upcoming products and how to sell them.

Sales went completely out the window. This last year, my spouse did nothing at all the entire day but stock shelves and do resets on aisles. Two years ago, she was a consistant district sales champion in health and beauty.

220 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:45:57am

re: #217 marjoriemoon

State bars as well as medical boards don't revoke licenses easily. I worked for a med mal firm where we sued this doc who had what we called a "rap sheet". Case after case after case of malpractice. Operating on the wrong body parts, giving the wrong medication, and they just move him from hospital to hospital. You'd be surprised how often that happens.

I worked for a group of attorneys years ago where 3 were disbarred for conflict of interest breaches involving millions of dollars.

Perhaps licenses to practice medicine should be done at the national level instead of the state level.

221 cliffster  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:00am

Men more likely to cheat if their wife makes more money.

wtf r u doing, get back in the kitchen, woman.

222 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:01am

re: #216 MandyManners

I don't think that's how it works.

I know

And I read LawHawks links and agree with/understand the system

223 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:47:26am

re: #220 PT Barnum

Perhaps licenses to practice medicine should be done at the national level instead of the state level.

why?

((parenthetically ,,, somewhere today, someone has an operation scheduled with THE worst surgeon in the world!!!!)))
//

224 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:49:20am

I'm trying to bounce back and forth between here and the pages and am really screwed up.

225 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:49:27am

re: #223 sattv4u2

why?

((parenthetically ,,, somewhere today, someone has an operation scheduled with THE worst surgeon in the world!!!)))
//

I'm thinking it would prevent such problems by creating a single place people could go to get a doctor's history.

Would enable the market to actually work as opposed to the system we have now, where costs and quality are completely detached.

226 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:50:00am

re: #220 PT Barnum

Perhaps licenses to practice medicine should be done at the national level instead of the state level.

It's definitely at the state level, both docs and lawyers, I surmise because of the differences between the states. And some bar exams are easier than others. Florida is pretty tough.

227 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:50:16am

re: #217 marjoriemoon

State bars as well as medical boards don't revoke licenses easily. I worked for a med mal firm where we sued this doc who had what we called a "rap sheet". Case after case after case of malpractice. Operating on the wrong body parts, giving the wrong medication, and they just move him from hospital to hospital. You'd be surprised how often that happens.

I worked for a group of attorneys years ago where 3 were disbarred for conflict of interest breaches involving millions of dollars.

Fucking around with clients' money is the quickest way to disbarment.

228 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:51:39am

re: #221 cliffster

Men more likely to cheat if their wife makes more money.

wtf r u doing, get back in the kitchen, woman.

Some men are more likely to cheat if the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

229 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:53:46am

Where is Gus' page about The Plum Line?

230 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:54:09am

re: #227 MandyManners

Fucking around with clients' money is the quickest way to disbarment.

Well my dream job would be a lawyer for the Mob in NYC with a nickname of Bruiser and wearing 1000 dollar Italian suits..
/up to the part when they shoot you outside some restaurant

231 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:56:23am

re: #228 MandyManners

Some men are more likely to cheat if the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

LOL Breathing and eating too! hehe

232 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:56:43am

re: #225 PT Barnum

I'm thinking it would prevent such problems by creating a single place people could go to get a doctor's history.

Would enable the market to actually work as opposed to the system we have now, where costs and quality are completely detached.

Sorry, I just don't see it as better

Each state has slightly different rules/ regs for doctors. How would that work?
ALSO, I would think it to be easier to get info on A doctor in a smaller data base (a few thousands doctors per state) as opposed to multiplying that data base by 50 states worth

233 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:57:04am

re: #225 PT Barnum

I'm thinking it would prevent such problems by creating a single place people could go to get a doctor's history.

Would enable the market to actually work as opposed to the system we have now, where costs and quality are completely detached.

The longstanding problem there is what to do with claims against a doctor that he or she disputes. The simple rule was to say that if the doctor prevailed, the claim didn't go into the database, but if he/she settled, it did. But that gives the doctor a powerful incentive to resist everything to the bitter end. (Which is probably a bad thing.) And most doctors have control over whether they settle.

The current trend is to give doctors a no-recourse way of saying they are sorry for a bad outcome, as studies seem to show that there would be significantly less malpractice litigation if the plaintiff had been communicated with in a nice and humble way early on. (Many doctors are lousy communicators.)

So how do you encourage the apology, have transparency about mistakes and encourage claims to settle, all at once? Beats me. If you can figure that out, you are very smart.

234 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:57:34am

re: #232 sattv4u2

Sorry, I just don't see it as better

Each state has slightly different rules/ regs for doctors. How would that work?
ALSO, I would think it to be easier to get info on A doctor in a smaller data base (a few thousands doctors per state) as opposed to multiplying that data base by 50 states worth

So how do you prevent someone from moving to a different state, and getting licensed regardless of what their past history is.

235 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:57:59am

re: #230 HoosierHoops

Well my dream job would be a lawyer for the Mob in NYC with a nickname of Bruiser and wearing 1000 dollar Italian suits..
/up to the part when they shoot you outside some restaurant

The next Bruce Cutler?

236 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:58:20am

re: #234 PT Barnum

So how do you prevent someone from moving to a different state, and getting licensed regardless of what their past history is.

Thats up to the new state to do a quick search on him from where he came

237 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:00am

I'm confused. bbiab

238 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:29am

re: #128 MandyManners

Here is the story of Tilly, a Lizard who was in one of the WTC buildings.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Good story definitely worth remembering.

239 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:47am

re: #234 PT Barnum

re: #236 sattv4u2

Thats up to the new state to do a quick search on him from where he came

FURTHER..when you move to a new state and go to get a license, they take your license from your previous state and do a quick search to make sure you have nothing outstanding there (tickets ,,,wants ,, warrants) before the "new" state gives you a license there

240 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:00:52am

re: #234 PT Barnum

re: #239 sattv4u2

re: #236 sattv4u2

FURTHER..when you move to a new state and go to get a license, they take your license from your previous state and do a quick search to make sure you have nothing outstanding there (tickets ,,,wants ,, warrants) before the "new" state gives you a license there

(meaning DRIVERS license)

(geezz ,, i'm only typing half thougts today!!)

241 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:01:19am

re: #236 sattv4u2

Thats up to the new state to do a quick search on him from where he came

Aren't conservatives the ones that say the market can do everything better than the government?

The more information we make available to the medical consumer the more likely costs will go down as a result of bad doctors being put out of business.

242 cliffster  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:01:24am

re: #228 MandyManners

Some men are more likely to cheat if the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Men and women can't be friends

Youtube Video
243 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:02:40am

re: #233 garhighway


So how do you encourage the apology, have transparency about mistakes and encourage claims to settle, all at once? Beats me. If you can figure that out, you are very smart.

Well, the first thing you do, you kill all the lawyers.

244 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:02:52am

re: #241 PT Barnum

Aren't conservatives the ones that say the market can do everything better than the government?

The more information we make available to the medical consumer the more likely costs will go down as a result of bad doctors being put out of business.

Oh for Gods sake
'
It has nothing to do with conservatives/ liberals,,,, left/ right,,,, repub/ dem

There already IS a record for that doctor (lawyer ,, driver) in the state he/she is in NOW

245 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:05:58am

re: #241 PT Barnum


The more information we make available to the medical consumer the more likely costs will go down as a result of bad doctors being put out of business.

The thing is, with the shortage of medical personnel everywhere, bad doctors aren't going to go out of business.

Sure, if you painted them with scarlet letters, maybe patients wouldn't voluntarily choose them. Except the millions without health insurance and nowhere to go. But there's so, so, so much to be done, in every hospital across the country, that no matter how awful a doctor may be, there'll be something that they can do somewhere. Something that won't cause too many problems or hurt too many people.

246 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:06:34am

#244 sattv4u2

Oh for Gods sake
'
It has nothing to do with conservatives/ liberals,,, left/ right,,, repub/ dem

There already IS a record for that doctor (lawyer ,, driver) in the state he/she is in NOW


But why should different states have different criteria for licensing? Why shouldn't there be a single national standard?

247 cliffster  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:48am

re: #246 PT Barnum

#244 sattv4u2


But why should different states have different criteria for licensing? Why shouldn't there be a single national standard?

why do we even have states, for that matter. get rid of 'em.

248 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:04am

re: #241 PT Barnum

Aren't conservatives the ones that say the market can do everything better than the government?

The more information we make available to the medical consumer the more likely costs will go down as a result of bad doctors being put out of business.


And to your question,,, NO

Conservatives do NOT say the market can do everything better than the government

"The Market" can't control our borders better
"The Market" can't police our streets better
"The Market" can't engage in a war better

There are some things that the gov't MUST do, is mandated to do constitutionally

but nice canard. It looks good on you

249 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:46am

re: #225 PT Barnum

I'm thinking it would prevent such problems by creating a single place people could go to get a doctor's history.

I don't know about all states, but it's worth a look. I think most states do have an online government dept where you can up doctors. For instance, here is the FL site:

[Link: ww2.doh.state.fl.us...]

You have to kind of know what you're looking at, though. Since the plaintiff wants to go after the deepest pockets, not only do they sue the doctor, but the group (his practice/partners) as well as the hospital.

At the Florida site, you just see how much the doc was sued for and some minimal amount of info. If a doc was sued for $50,000, that's not a lot of money really and more than likely, it was his share of what he owed when his group was sued. Meaning he may not have ever seen the patient personally.

So just if a doc is sued doesn't necessarily mean he committed malpractice.

OTOH, if you see a judgment for 6 figures, $200,000, $500,000 or millions, you can be pretty sure HE (or she) did something wrong.

I hope that makes sense heh.

250 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:11:14am

re: #247 cliffster

why do we even have states, for that matter. get rid of 'em.

How is medical care different in Iowa than in Kansas or Ohio? I can see state level regulation on many things due to differences in population or geography, but medical practice ain't one of them.

251 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:14:42am

re: #248 sattv4u2

And to your question,,, NO

Conservatives do NOT say the market can do everything better than the government

"The Market" can't control our borders better
"The Market" can't police our streets better
"The Market" can't engage in a war better

There are some things that the gov't MUST do, is mandated to do constitutionally

but nice canard. It looks good on you

I dunno, the usual thing I hear from many conservatives (even if that doesn't include you) is to privatize everything.

I would argue that you are right, but that hasn't stopped the privatization of many of what used to be support jobs in the military, the privatization of prisons, and the increased presence of "private" border malitias.

252 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:15:25am

re: #246 PT Barnum

#244 sattv4u2


But why should different states have different criteria for licensing? Why shouldn't there be a single national standard?

Because we do not have a National Health Care SYSTEM

We have a market based system
If you WANT a NHC System you'll have to live with all that comes with it, the good AND the bad

meaning,,,, YOU won't get to pick a doctor, you'll be assigned one

And what differences do you now see state to state!?!?!?

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:16:21am

re: #233 garhighway

The longstanding problem there is what to do with claims against a doctor that he or she disputes. The simple rule was to say that if the doctor prevailed, the claim didn't go into the database, but if he/she settled, it did. But that gives the doctor a powerful incentive to resist everything to the bitter end. (Which is probably a bad thing.) And most doctors have control over whether they settle.

The current trend is to give doctors a no-recourse way of saying they are sorry for a bad outcome, as studies seem to show that there would be significantly less malpractice litigation if the plaintiff had been communicated with in a nice and humble way early on. (Many doctors are lousy communicators.)

So how do you encourage the apology, have transparency about mistakes and encourage claims to settle, all at once? Beats me. If you can figure that out, you are very smart.

But the patient always lies! Dr. House taught me that.

/

254 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #252 sattv4u2

Because we do not have a National Health Care SYSTEM

We have a market based system
If you WANT a NHC System you'll have to live with all that comes with it, the good AND the bad

meaning,,, YOU won't get to pick a doctor, you'll be assigned one

And what differences do you now see state to state!?!?!?

How can you call it a market based system when the customer isn't able to access the two things that define value? Cost and Quality?

255 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:25am

re: #251 PT Barnum

I dunno, the usual thing I hear from many conservatives (even if that doesn't include you) is to privatize everything.

I would argue that you are right, but that hasn't stopped the privatization of many of what used to be support jobs in the military, the privatization of prisons, and the increased presence of "private" border malitias.

Really? What conservative that you have talked too wants to privatize the military,,, the police forces ,,, the fire depts???

AND ,,, as far as the privatization of many of what used to be support jobs in the military it was the dept of defense who made that decision as it was THEY who found out that it was more efficient/ cost effective to "privatize" some military functions

256 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:19:08am

re: #252 sattv4u2

Because we do not have a National Health Care SYSTEM

We have a market based system
If you WANT a NHC System you'll have to live with all that comes with it, the good AND the bad

meaning,,, YOU won't get to pick a doctor, you'll be assigned one

And what differences do you now see state to state!?!?!?

Google is your friend.

257 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:19:44am

re: #254 PT Barnum

How can you call it a market based system when the customer isn't able to access the two things that define value? Cost and Quality?

Really ,,so if you get a sucky doctor, you can't leave his practice and go to the one down the hall??? REALLY !?!?!?!

heh ,,,, funny that ,,, I've changed primary care physicians 3 times in the last decade !!

258 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:20:14am

re: #254 PT Barnum

How can you call it a market based system when the customer isn't able to access the two things that define value? Cost and Quality?

It is precisely for this reason that the US system is not a free-market health care system at all.

259 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:20:29am

re: #257 sattv4u2

Really ,,so if you get a sucky doctor, you can't leave his practice and go to the one down the hall??? REALLY !?!?!?!

heh ,,, funny that ,,, I've changed primary care physicians 3 times in the last decade !!

That's not what he said.

260 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:18am

re: #257 sattv4u2

Really ,,so if you get a sucky doctor, you can't leave his practice and go to the one down the hall??? REALLY !?!?!?!

heh ,,, funny that ,,, I've changed primary care physicians 3 times in the last decade !!

But in a truly open market that information would be available before you even got the sucky doctor.

261 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:25am

re: #256 PT Barnum

Google is your friend.

Thats for State-specific Requirements for Initial Medical Licensure

NOT for practicing, which is what we're talking about

262 Political Atheist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:30am

Breaking News on Politico

Tom DeLay exonerated.

263 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:22:15am

re: #259 JasonA

That's not what he said.

Yes it is

Cost and Quality?

You don't think one doctors "quality" is better than anothers?

264 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:24:54am

re: #263 sattv4u2

Yes it is

Cost and Quality?

You don't think one doctors "quality" is better than anothers?

Can you tell me your current physicians rate of infection, average cost of treatment for various illnesses, Hospital readmission rate?

265 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:25:31am

re: #260 PT Barnum

But in a truly open market that information would be available before you even got the sucky doctor.

It is NOW

Each state has a board (called different things in different states) for doctors, dentists, physical therapists, nurses ,, etc etc

266 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:25:52am

re: #263 sattv4u2

Yes it is

Cost and Quality?

You don't think one doctors "quality" is better than anothers?

Did the motherfucker show you a goddamn pricelist before you switched? I'm guessing no. And that's the whole fucking point. You try calling around to find out which hospital in your area will give you the best deal on an appendectomy. Let me know what you find out.

267 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:26:29am

re: #261 sattv4u2

Thats for State-specific Requirements for Initial Medical Licensure

NOT for practicing, which is what we're talking about

Practicing is only possible if you can get and continue to keep your license. Different states have different requirements for Continuing Education, and depending on the medical board in your state and how well you know them you may be more likely to get a pass on something that would get a sanction in another state.

268 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:27:52am

re: #266 JasonA

Did the motherfucker show you a goddamn pricelist before you switched? I'm guessing no. And that's the whole fucking point. You try calling around to find out which hospital in your area will give you the best deal on an appendectomy. Let me know what you find out.

nice ,,,,

Anywho ,,,now we're talking rates, and yes, I do/can know prior wjat my costs are, whether insurance covers it (which is what you're really talking about here) or not

269 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:29am

re: #266 JasonA

Did the motherfucker show you a goddamn pricelist before you switched? .

Sure hope you soften up a bit before you go asking one of those motherfuckers for help

270 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:29:10am

re: #267 PT Barnum

Practicing is only possible if you can get and continue to keep your license. Different states have different requirements for Continuing Education, and depending on the medical board in your state and how well you know them you may be more likely to get a pass on something that would get a sanction in another state.

And that changes if "how well you know" a federal licenser how??

271 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:29:37am

Lets go all OT.. So I'm at the Colts party yesterday wearing my #18 Manning Jersey When I said there is no way I'll ever be able to root for the Colts this year in Oklahoma this year..It's to dangerous in Cowboy land..
Some girl across the room said that's not true at all...I said what?
She said there are 2 players from OU trying out for the Colts and if they make the team you can buy their Jersey and be safe in any bar in Oklahoma...
Silence..You are a genius girl! I'm not sure who that Blond was at the party
But she was right on...I could marry her just for that sort of Football knowledge...
/

272 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:29:46am

re: #269 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Sure hope you soften up a bit before you go asking one of those motherfuckers for help

Maybe I've been watching too much Sam Jackson lately?

273 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:29:57am

re: #269 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Sure hope you soften up a bit before you go asking one of those motherfuckers for help

"hey motherfucker ,,,, I have a pain in my chest ,,can you help me"

((I think saying PLEASE after that is moot!!!)

274 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:30:12am

re: #54 tnguitarist

You know what's a shame?

We used to lead the world in education.

We used to lead the world in innovation.

But now, because everything has become a political football, we lead the world in very little, except for consumption and teenage pregnancy.

The world has not stood still. Places like Japan, China, Singapore, S Korea have always had stellar potential. India, Brazil, and numerous other nations have considerable potential. All these nations have improved their freedom index and their educational opportunities. How can they not improve their world standing?

Rankings are a zero-sum game. Unless everybody else screws up, our relative standing has to go down because what was holding it up in the first place was the age-old mire of corruption and rigidity that until recently held this "high-potential" third world in check.

N Korea too has potential, and their educational system seems to be up to the challenge of building nukes. Perhaps these bright people will one day get to eat more than grass. The government there is showing signs of instability. For now, though, they're not an economic challenge.

275 Randall Gross  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:30:14am

re: #272 JasonA

Maybe I've been watching too much Sam Jackson lately?

What's on your wallet?

276 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:31:08am

re: #275 Thanos

What's on your wallet?

It's the one that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it!

277 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:31:52am

K folks , Gots to go do whats I gots to do

bbl

278 cliffster  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:34:48am

re: #276 JasonA

It's the one that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it!

bacon tastes gooood. pork chops taste goooood...

279 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:35:27am

re: #276 JasonA

It's the one that says "Bad Mother Fucker" on it!

And had a kitten on it

280 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:35:49am

re: #257 sattv4u2

Really ,,so if you get a sucky doctor, you can't leave his practice and go to the one down the hall??? REALLY !?!?!?!

heh ,,, funny that ,,, I've changed primary care physicians 3 times in the last decade !!

Doctors vary. Some are perceptive, others pedestrian. Some are meticulous hand-washers, others forgetful if nobody's watching. But the real decider of outcomes is hospital management.

Hospitals that adapt the same kind of approach to infections that NYC has to crime do much better than hospitals that haven't got around to making the issue a priority.

Another thing that matters is whether the hospital is overwhelmed or whether it has the resources to keep up with the work it takes on. Some ER's have such a mismatch between resources and peak demand that they must triage patients who look like they can wait, but actually can't.

281 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:36:03am

Gotta go fix a puter..later.

282 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:36:27am

re: #278 cliffster

bacon tastes goood. pork chops taste goood...

Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charming motherfuckin' pig...

283 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:38:54am

re: #50 LudwigVanQuixote

Some thoughts about a movie where the tea baggers actually take on the army:

Trailer: a scene of a Dixie flag getting run over by tank treads.

And it would have to have this scene in it as well:

A burnt our barn, and son is cradling his dying pop, who is bleeding through his ragged bib overalls.

Son: But Pa, Sarah told us we would win! What was this for?

Pa: Son, freedom ain't free son. It doesn't matter what we done. It matters that a few stood up to many.

Son: But pa, pa... we was supposed to git em good!

Pa: Ever since them UN troops came in to reinforce the Gub'mint forces, we was licked. But our spirit will live on! Promise me boy! Promise me!

Son: Promise what pa?

Pa: That you will live on to fight for our constitution another day.
Promise that you will keep America white and Christian in your heart. Because as long as you do, the America the founding fathers believed in will never die.

Pa expires...

Son: Nooo! I promise Pa. I promise!

That's a ridiculous plot.

Baby blue uniforms get out of the way when the shooting starts.

///

284 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:44:00am

OT: James "Jane, you ignorant slut" Kilpatrick died Sunday.

285 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:44:29am

Comic book university.

This is hilarious.

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

286 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:46:34am

re: #285 LudwigVanQuixote

Comic book university.

This is hilarious.

[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]

Hi Ludwig! How are you today?

288 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:11:40am

re: #287 lawhawk

Op ed: Blocking the Ground Zero mosque plays right into the hands of the very jihadis who carried out the attacks.

Agreed. It's like the nutjob fearmongerers of both sides are playing ball, passing each other volleys.

289 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:12:27am

re: #288 000G

Agreed. It's like the nutjob fearmongerers of both sides are playing ball, passing each other volleys.

I'd like to ship both sides to an island and forget about them.

290 deranged cat  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:12:30am

more about the Park51 Project from twitter user antderosa:

Currently within the "Hallowed Ground" of Ground Zero : Strip club, OTB, McDonalds, 9/11 Souvenir hawkers [Link: bit.ly...]

291 deranged cat  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:13:16am

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

agreed!

292 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:13:33am

re: #289 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd like to ship both sides to an island and forget about them.

Lord of the Lies.

293 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:15:28am

re: #288 000G

Agreed. It's like the nutjob fearmongerers of both sides are playing ball, passing each other volleys.

Who are the "nutjob fearmongerers" (sic) on the other side of Pamela, et al?

294 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:17:48am

re: #293 garhighway

Who are the "nutjob fearmongerers" (sic) on the other side of Pamela, et al?

The radical imans over in the ME who call America the Great Satan.

Politics of fear. Play on the emotion and how the "other" is going to come and get you (and/or your children) while you sleep. You will wake up and they will have stolen your culture, your jobs, your women, *and* your future.

If the two sides didn't exist already they would have needed to create each other. It's a natural alliance.

295 Kragar  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19:16am

re: #294 oaktree

symbiosis, not alliance.

296 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19:49am

re: #294 oaktree

The radical imans over in the ME who call America the Great Satan.

Politics of fear. Play on the emotion and how the "other" is going to come and get you (and/or your children) while you sleep. You will wake up and they will have stolen your culture, your jobs, your women, *and* your future.

If the two sides didn't exist already they would have needed to create each other. It's a natural alliance.

I don't see how radical imams are players in our domestic politics. Are they engaging in some sort of dialogue here that I missed?

297 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:20:52am

re: #290 deranged cat

Hallowed ground of Ground Zero. If we're talking about the 16 acres of the former WTC site and the location of 7WTC, Fiterman Hall, and Deutsche Bank building, (which is within Ground Zero) we have construction proceeding on:

1) 1 WTC (Freedom Tower - at 34 stories and rising at 3 stories a week);
2) 7WTC - completed office tower
3) 4 WTC - construction underway
4) PATH temporary station (permanent station under construction
5) 9/11 Museum - construction underway
6) 9/11 memorial - to be completed by 9/11/2011
7) Fiterman Hall - construction underway
8) former Deutsche Bank building - demolition continues
9) St. Anthony's Greek Orthodox Church - disposition of site pending and contingent on what happens with the Deutsche bank building site.

Outside those 16 acres, you've got several million sf of office space. You've got retail businesses ranging from designer department stores (century 21) to schlock shops. You've got porn palaces and tobacco shops.

You've got street hawkers selling counterfeit goods.
You've got guys selling photo books of the 9/11 attacks.

You've got fast food joints and restaurants and bars where construction workers (among others) go during lunch and after work. Heck, I've gone to Ho Yip more times than I can count for lunch (the Chinese restaurant facing onto Ground Zero next to the Burger King...

298 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:22:52am

re: #297 lawhawk

It is good to see WTC 1 finally gaining some momentum.

299 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:23:17am

re: #296 garhighway

I don't see how radical imams are players in our domestic politics. Are they engaging in some sort of dialogue here that I missed?

Yes. They make the outrageous statements about snuffing out Israel, promising further attacks on the West, etc. that get quoted here as the evidence that all Muslims are evil and not to be trusted.

And they use the nutjob quotes from our side of the pond as the evidence that the West is evil and out to get them.

A nice operational symbiosis (thanks for the correction).

300 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:26:30am

Hi, all.

Can't stay, but I wanted to bring attention to Albusteve's Well-Wishes Page, for anyone who hasn't seen it but is interested in posting good wishes to Albusteve.

301 garhighway  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:29:23am

re: #299 oaktree

Yes. They make the outrageous statements about snuffing out Israel, promising further attacks on the West, etc. that get quoted here as the evidence that all Muslims are evil and not to be trusted.

And they use the nutjob quotes from our side of the pond as the evidence that the West is evil and out to get them.

A nice operational symbiosis (thanks for the correction).

I respectfully disagree. The radical imams are not players here. They seek to sway no vote here, to get no one here elected.

The two sides here are nutjobs (and their fellow travelers) and non-nutjobs. The intolerant (or those willing to cynically stoke that intolerance for election cycle gain) and the tolerant.

302 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:29:52am

re: #298 garhighway

Absolutely. The delays to this point were maddening, but now that the hard part of coordinating construction of the foundations around the working PATH lines has passed, they can raise steel at a pretty quick clip. The same goes for 4 WTC, where foundation work was taking quite a long time, but steel is rising well above street level too.

[Link: www.panynj.gov...]

303 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:30:00am

It's a Monday..I'm on Vacation out at the deck ready to jump into the pool..The Beer is Cold..Winston is playing in the fallen leaves..So It's slow here and I have things to say...
Memories...As I leave here and my new found friends..I already miss them...Every couple of years I move...But I time stamp the people and places of every place I have lived..Does anybody else do this? You drive down the street realizing soon you will never drive here again? I will keep contacts of my dear friends here and be back for next years Indy 500 and stay at Paulies house for the weekend...But deep inside...I know my time here isn't long..It's exciting to move but depressing to leave here...I'm time stamping everything I can here in Indiana...It's been a great run.....
Somebody grab me a beer..I'm diving in the pool

304 SpaceJesus  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:33:48am

MEGA MOSQUE scoffs at your pathetic mortal attempt to impede its progress

305 webevintage  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:33:48am

re: #287 lawhawk

Op ed: Blocking the Ground Zero mosque plays right into the hands of the very jihadis who carried out the attacks.

I was thinking that today.
I know that using the words "the terrorists win" can be the butt of a lot of good humor, but really in this case the terrorists do "win" if the Park51 Mosque/Community Center is moved or not built.
We cannot act on emotion and fear.

and really I'm more disgusted to find out that there will be an actual underground mall on the WTC site going though the ground where there are bits of dead people killed on 9/11 in it. Now to me that is offensive.
Buying and selling inside a gravesite...nice.
Hallowed ground and all that.
I wonder what Pamela Geller and President Palin think about that?

306 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:34:59am

re: #304 SpaceJesus

MEGA MOSQUE scoffs at your pathetic mortal attempt to impede its progress

And when the Sinister Iman sets it to "Suck" all your freedom goes away!

(bwahahahaha)

//

307 allegro  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:37:39am

re: #303 HoosierHoops

Memories...As I leave here and my new found friends..I already miss them...Every couple of years I move...But I time stamp the people and places of every place I have lived..Does anybody else do this? You drive down the street realizing soon you will never drive here again? I will keep contacts of my dear friends here and be back for next years Indy 500 and stay at Paulies house for the weekend...But deep inside...I know my time here isn't long..It's exciting to move but depressing to leave here...I'm time stamping everything I can here in Indiana...It's been a great run...

I can so relate to this. Leaving my home of 20 years where I spent most of my married life with my late husband was the most difficult thing I've ever done... but it was time. Even now I feel almost overwhelming grief when I remember that last night I spent there, knowing I would never return. And I haven't, even to visit the old neighborhood. Just can't.

I did have the quite unique experience of seeing what happened to it after I left on national TV. It was sold to TBS for a 13 week reality show, "Lowe's House Rules." I found myself screaming at the TV, "WTF?!!! You're bricking in the control panel of the hot tub! Are you nuts?" Very surreal experience.

308 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:38:15am

re: #300 reine.de.tout

Hi, all.

Can't stay, but I wanted to bring attention to Albusteve's Well-Wishes Page, for anyone who hasn't seen it but is interested in posting good wishes to Albusteve.

Thanks for posting that, Reine. You're a sweetheart.

309 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:40:46am

re: #307 allegro

Great post!

310 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:42:55am

re: #305 webevintage

See you in the new thread... where I've got some thoughts about that...

311 webevintage  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:48:42am

re: #310 lawhawk

See you in the new thread... where I've got some thoughts about that...

Cool.
I really appreciate your remarks and insights on this.....

312 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:57:48am

Old school Blues song I just wrote in A
Dedicated to Steve-o


I'm going to go yes.. go..Got to walk away
I'm blow this town
Got to go away
I'm going leave this town
Got to drive away
I got friends here..Got to go away
Wave out the planes window..Got to go away
I'm going to leave this town..
Got to move away

I'm southbound baby...Climb on this car
Drop the cash bag.. run as fast as you can
We are going Southbound.. Jump on the train
Going to blow this town
And run fast away...

Hold me baby...It's colds at night
Time to run and start a fight
We are southbound baby
Follow the trains lights
We are southbound baby
Try to make this right

313 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:05:15am

re: #286 HoosierHoops

Hi Ludwig! How are you today?

Busy. Sorry I got called away. How are you?

314 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:18:24am

re: #65 CuriousLurker

Um, apparently I'm going to need an "extra special kind of guano crazy" category. Sheesh.

I think she may be a subset of the chemtrail crowd.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:23:18am

re: #129 RogueOne

Has everyone seen this already?

How the "ground zero mosque" fear mongering began
[Link: www.salon.com...]

I'm not sure Geller deserves all the credit/blame for the media relations nightmare that is the Cordoba house.

Maybe not, but she has certainly worked very hard to earn it.

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:26:17am

re: #148 Spare O'Lake

Yes, it should be a local issue. But the issue has now assumed national dimensions, and I expect it will be impossible to put the genie back into the lamp.

It's only assumed national dimensions because of people too stupid to mind their own business.

There are only two opinions that matter here--that of the local authorities in charge of the permits, and that of the U.S. Constitution.

Everyone else is SOL.

317 simoom  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 11:43:42am

re: #185 celticdragon

Anyway, Heather mentions how her employer attempted to encourage prominent national security figures to be more open with their dismay over all the US anti-mosque demagoguery, and here's my quick transcript of that bit:

Heather: There's a lot of people who should be hit for not saying anything and we, frankly -- we spent a little time trying to, sort of, gin up more serious national security types to go out and say things and the level of fear that has been instilled over, you know, 'what will happen to me if I say something on this issue', was really, as a civil libertarian, very, very disappointing to me.

So let me get this straight...she claims as a civil libertarian she is disappointed that reputable people in national security did not want to ruin their reputations in a vulgar debate by endorsing the denial of civil liberties to a minority group...??!!

Oops, I should have been more clear. It's the reverse. Their group was trying to get folks (who would be seen as credible on national security matters by the public) to speak up in support of religious liberty, and what they found were people who were too terrified by how politically poisonous the issue is right now, to enter into the debate.

318 Fozzie Bear  Mon, Aug 16, 2010 1:07:05pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

Really ,,so if you get a sucky doctor, you can't leave his practice and go to the one down the hall??? REALLY !?!?!?!

heh ,,, funny that ,,, I've changed primary care physicians 3 times in the last decade !!

If you are paying cash, sure you can. If you are like most people, your insurance company restricts what doctors you can see to ones participating in their particular plan.


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