1 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, May 19, 2012 9:31:53pm |
An excellent commercial film of the time, thanks for posting it. This was right after the end of World War 2, and everything was in short supply in the UK, including money. There was no question of an average worker or returning serviceman being able to afford the fuel for a car, let alone the car itself. Demand for bicycles was insatiable.
2 | dell*nix Sat, May 19, 2012 9:34:02pm |
Modern post war production. Try riding one here in Houston and get run over.
3 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 9:43:59pm |
Gotta love that fresh thread smell!
Evening all. Chelsea beat Bayern Munich in a classic rope-a-dope final in the Champion's League and all is right with the world.
4 | sagehen Sat, May 19, 2012 9:49:11pm |
Mark Zuckerberg got married today, to his long-time girlfriend. They kept it secret by inviting everyone to the house for her graduation party (she finished med school last week).
(California is a community property state... every dollar he ever made before today, including the IPO payout, is entirely his. Same for dividends from stock he owned before the wedding. His $1/year salary, plus whatever she earns as a doctor, belongs equally to both of them.)
5 | Dark_Falcon Sat, May 19, 2012 10:07:20pm |
re: #4 sagehen
Mark Zuckerberg got married today, to his long-time girlfriend. They kept it secret by inviting everyone to the house for her graduation party (she finished med school last week).
(California is a community property state... every dollar he ever made before today, including the IPO payout, is entirely his. Same for dividends from stock he owned before the wedding. His $1/year salary, plus whatever she earns as a doctor, belongs equally to both of them.)
In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.
8 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:23:54pm |
re: #7 freetoken
Progress through capitalism!!
Careful. You know how some people are always "on." //
10 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:37:33pm |
I tell ya. Sometimes I think I should be taking a Valium when having to deal with a lot of the strong personalities.
11 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, May 19, 2012 10:37:45pm |
re: #7 freetoken
Progress through capitalism!!
Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."
12 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:39:15pm |
re: #11 Shiplord Kirel
Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."[Embedded content]
Yeah. Freetoken was being serious.
//
14 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 10:40:16pm |
re: #11 Shiplord Kirel
Commies didn't have electricity? Ayn Rand once claimed that Soviet citizens never smiled, so anything is possible. I do remember hearing in about the second grade that Russian children liked ice cream. It figures.
"Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream."[Embedded content]
Purity of Essence. Precious Bodily Fluids.
15 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 10:42:44pm |
*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...
16 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 10:47:06pm |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.
The heavenly rays of the sanctity of marriage burn me as I read these words.
17 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:47:32pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice
*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...
That's always been my policy. Maybe on the internet I'll argue but even then. I like to keep it short. Basically you're trying to engage with zealot that you can't convert even in a 100 years.
18 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:23pm |
re: #15 Targetpractice
*sigh* One of these days, I'll realize the futility of arguing with a bigot and just walk away instead of engaging. One of these days...
Just mock. It's fun!
19 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:32pm |
re: #17 Gus
That's always been my policy. Maybe on the internet I'll argue but even then. I like to keep it short. Basically you're trying to engage with zealot that you can't convert even in a 100 years.
I know, I'd have better luck taking a corkscrew to my frontal lobe. But something in me just will not let me back down.
20 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:48:51pm |
re: #16 It's a cookbook!
The heavenly rays of the sanctity of marriage burn me as I read these words.
All hail Mark Zuckerberg! For he has given us life and blood. Shelter for us to live in. Olmmmmm.
//
21 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:49:59pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice
I know, I'd have better luck taking a corkscrew to my frontal lobe. But something in me just will not let me back down.
What was the who, what, and why?
23 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 10:50:22pm |
re: #13 Gus
We now await a 500 page rebuttal.
//
Of progress through capitalism? Actually it worked very well until capitalists broke through the separation of economy and state. Would that the Constitutional Father's had been prescient on the power of money. Religion doesn't pose half the threat to our country.
Businesses are now people. Mitt says so, and he is viable presidential candidate.
Gaah! I just threw up a little in my throat.
24 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 10:52:48pm |
I have a confession to make.
I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.
There, I said it.
26 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 10:54:06pm |
re: #24 It's a cookbook!
I have a confession to make.
I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.
There, I said it.
I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.
27 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:30pm |
re: #26 austin_blue
I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.
I could very well end up rooting for the Queen because of this.
28 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:32pm |
re: #26 austin_blue
I'll watch anything that Charlize Theron is in.
Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: Charlize Theron
29 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 10:56:56pm |
re: #21 Gus
What was the who, what, and why?
Dipshit on another board, who by this point might as well have "Stereotypical conservative" tattooed on his forehead. Cultural views that haven't evolved since 1952, thinks liberals are the root of all of society's problems, believes the reason that society's falling apart is that people aren't big enough assholes anymore, and so forth.
Been having a back and forth with him for hours now about gay marriage, the general theme of his "logic" being that homosexuality is a choice, one that he doesn't accept, and thinks that there's a dark agenda of all gays to force homosexuality on society as a whole. But at the same time, swears that his views have nothing to do with religion.
Oh, and he's a Paulian to boot, which at this point shouldn't shock me one bit.
30 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 10:58:14pm |
re: #23 austin_blue
Of progress through capitalism? Actually it worked very well until capitalists broke through the separation of economy and state. Would that the Constitutional Father's had been prescient on the power of money. Religion doesn't pose half the threat to our country.
Businesses are now people. Mitt says so, and he is viable presidential candidate.
Gaah! I just threw up a little in my throat.
Wasn't it "corporations are people my friend?" Which was followed by a lot of heckling and booing. By a Republican crowd no less. Welcome to the new strange reality of corporate victimhood.
31 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, May 19, 2012 10:58:22pm |
Reminds me of a story about Winston Churchill. It was 1946 and the new Labour government had started nationalizing all the major industries in Britain (including electric power). Churchill, then the opposition leader, went into the parliamentary men's room and found the Labour PM, Clement Atlee, relieving himself at one end of the long trough-like urinal. Churchill took up a position at the opposite end, a good ten feet away, and proceeded to do the same. Atlee said, "What's wrong, Winston, feeling unsociable today?"
Churchill responded, "No, Clem, it's just that every time you see something big, you try to nationalize it."
32 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:02:30pm |
re: #31 Shiplord Kirel
Reminds me of a story about Winston Churchill. It was 1946 and the new Labour government had started nationalizing all the major industries in Britain (including electric power). Churchill, then the opposition leader, went into the parliamentary men's room and found the Labour PM, Clement Atlee, relieving himself at one end of the long trough-like urinal. Churchill took up a position at the opposite end, a good ten feet away, and proceeded to do the same. Atlee said, "What's wrong, Winston, feeling unsociable today?"
Churchill responded, "No, Clem, it's just that every time you see something big, you try to nationalize it."
I really fucking hate urinal troughs.
33 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:05:18pm |
re: #29 Targetpractice
Dipshit on another board, who by this point might as well have "Stereotypical conservative" tattooed on his forehead. Cultural views that haven't evolved since 1952, thinks liberals are the root of all of society's problems, believes the reason that society's falling apart is that people aren't big enough assholes anymore, and so forth.
Been having a back and forth with him for hours now about gay marriage, the general theme of his "logic" being that homosexuality is a choice, one that he doesn't accept, and thinks that there's a dark agenda of all gays to force homosexuality on society as a whole. But at the same time, swears that his views have nothing to do with religion.
Oh, and he's a Paulian to boot, which at this point shouldn't shock me one bit.
One has to ask is society falling apart? How when we compare the society of today with those in our past does it match up? What decade should we pick. Are we better of as a society today compared to 1972, 1952, or 1912? What part of society is falling apart? Of course when people like him say "society is falling apart" they're referring to the progression of social issues that have become the norm.
A Paulian in the form of what? A libertarian? A true libertarian shouldn't give a thought about gays or gay marriage other than supporting their choice regardless of origin. They could believe in state regulation of marriage. But a true libertarian would have to support it. Much like Ayn Rand was a strong supporter of abortion rights. There is no dark agenda and it's stupid to think as much. I imagine he spends a lot of time on the internet?
34 | Shiplord Kirel Sat, May 19, 2012 11:05:29pm |
35 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:06:23pm |
re: #30 Gus
Wasn't it "corporations are people my friend?" Which was followed by a lot of heckling and booing. By a Republican crowd no less. Welcome to the new strange reality of corporate victimhood.
It's through the looking glass....
36 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:06:54pm |
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel
Upding for the nic.
To Serve Man
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I prefer the arm and the leg.
38 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:09:40pm |
re: #33 Gus
One has to ask is society falling apart? How when we compare the society of today with those in our past does it match up? What decade should we pick. Are we better of as a society today compared to 1972, 1952, or 1912? What part of society is falling apart? Of course when people like him say "society is falling apart" they're referring to the progression of social issues that have become the norm.
He's a child of the 1950s, so of course he measures everything by his childhood memories and finds it lacking. He's completely convinced that part of the downfall of society in America was no-fault divorce. He's absolutely convinced that the statistics show that things were fine and dandy prior to then.
A Paulian in the form of what? A libertarian? A true libertarian shouldn't give a thought about gays or gay marriage other than supporting their choice regardless of origin. They could believe in state regulation of marriage. But a true libertarian would have to support it. Much like Ayn Rand was a strong supporter of abortion rights. There is no dark agenda and it's stupid to think as much. I imagine he spends a lot of time on the internet?
A Paulian in the sense that he's about a libertarian as his personal views allow. Against "big government" and all the "giveaways," but at the same time thinks that legislating morality and utilizing state resources to force people to stay married are okay.
39 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:11:38pm |
re: #37 Gus
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If corporations are people, can we place a restraining order against them?
40 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:11:42pm |
re: #34 Shiplord Kirel
Upding for the nic.
To Serve Man
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That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.
41 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:12:06pm |
re: #38 Targetpractice
Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.
42 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:14:08pm |
re: #28 Kragar
Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis: Charlize Theron
[Embedded content]
Ok, that's comedy!
43 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:14:50pm |
re: #40 It's a cookbook!
That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.
There was a god in that little corner of the Twilight Zone, and he fucking hated Henry Bemis.
44 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:15:01pm |
re: #41 Gus
Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.
I love libertarians who are against gay marriage. Those guys are a hoot.
45 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:15:35pm |
re: #41 Gus
Blaming no-fault divorce? Well damn. People that think that way are pretty extreme on issues. But yeah. These libertarian are basically all about liberty for me but not for thee.
He's one of those folks with pie-in-the-sky fantasies of what things were like back before "the liberals" ruined everything. You know, those nitwits who are convinced that social stigma or worse kept folks walking the straight and narrow, that things like kids born out of wedlock or men sleeping around were virtually unheard of because society frowned on it.
46 | AK-47% Sat, May 19, 2012 11:17:02pm |
re: #38 Targetpractice
Against "big government" and all the "giveaways," but at the same time thinks that legislating morality and utilizing state resources to force people to stay married are okay.
Santorum represented the viewpoint that the breakdown in morality and marriage are the root causes of our economic decline, not the other way around...
Time to call Bicycle Repairman!
Is it a stockbroker? is it a quantity surveryor? Is it a Church Warden? No!
47 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:17:15pm |
re: #44 Kragar
I love libertarians who are against gay marriage. Those guys are a hoot.
I know one just like that. Used to belong to some radical student libertarian group back in the 70s. Small government, pro-choice, etc. Right? Well. He can't stand gays. he's not only against gay marriage he just freaks out about gay men. Kind of guy that says "I'm not homophobic, I don't FEAR gays." He just hates them. Libertarian. Oh well. I don't argue with him.
48 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:18:11pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice
He's one of those folks with pie-in-the-sky fantasies of what things were like back before "the liberals" ruined everything. You know, those nitwits who are convinced that social stigma or worse kept folks walking the straight and narrow, that things like kids born out of wedlock or men sleeping around were virtually unheard of because society frowned on it.
Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, and Newt Gingrich don't seem to have a problem with no-fault divorce. Ah vell. Is he Catholic?
49 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:19:43pm |
re: #40 It's a cookbook!
That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.
Always sort of thought that "It's A Good Life" was the most fucked up, as nothing's quite as scary as the thought of unlimited power in the hands of a child who has no concept of right and wrong.
50 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:20:49pm |
re: #49 Targetpractice
Always sort of thought that "It's A Good Life" was the most fucked up, as nothing's quite as scary as the thought of unlimited power in the hands of a child who has no concept of right and wrong.
I dunno. Always been a kid at heart, so I'd probably shrug it off, sit down, and play GI Joes with him or something...
51 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:22:15pm |
re: #48 Gus
Rush Limbaugh, John McCain, and Newt Gingrich don't seem to have a problem with no-fault divorce. Ah vell. Is he Catholic?
I've really no clue, never questioned him on it. Though, like I said, he swears that religion has nothing to do with his views. I personally think he's full of shit, because if he's not actively religious, then he's had religious influence during his life.
52 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:24:23pm |
Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.
One version of the plane is designed for the Air Force, the F-35A, which will replace F-16 and F-18 fighter-bombers and the A-10 Thunderbolt ground-attack aircraft.
A second variant, the F-35C, is meant for aircraft carriers and will take the place of the US Navy's F/A-18s. A third version, the F-35B, is a jump jet that is due to succeed the military's aging Harriers.
53 | AK-47% Sat, May 19, 2012 11:26:13pm |
re: #51 Targetpractice
I've really no clue, never questioned him on it. Though, like I said, he swears that religion has nothing to do with his views. I personally think he's full of shit, because if he's not actively religious, then he's had religious influence during his life.
I go as far as establishing the direction and nature of their bigotry, make due note and then leave the issue.
Have have been doing that with a religious bigot on a German blogsite I frequent (mostly to practice my written German, I don't get enough opportunity to use it otherwise)
54 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:26:58pm |
re: #52 Gus
Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.
I believe it can replace the A-10 when it lands safely with wings torn to swiss cheese and an engine out.
Oh, that's right, there's only one engine...
55 | freetoken Sat, May 19, 2012 11:27:46pm |
re: #52 Gus
I wonder if they could come up with a variant that would peel my loquats for me?
56 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:09pm |
re: #52 Gus
Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.
That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.
57 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:22pm |
re: #55 freetoken
I wonder if they could come up with a variant that would peel my loquats for me?
The peeling is part of the journey.
58 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:35pm |
re: #54 It's a cookbook!
I believe it can replace the A-10 when it lands safely with wings torn to swiss cheese and an engine out.
Oh, that's right, there's only one engine...
Yeah. That sentence is pretty messed up. There are no AF F-18s. I laughed when I saw them mention the F-35 as an A-10 replacement. Just don't see it happening or at least not correctly. The F-35 is another watch.
59 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:28:46pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice
That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.
*giggles*
60 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:29:04pm |
re: #52 Gus
Ugh. Hate to bring up the F-35 again but this is pretty funny.
Why does the AF need replacements for a fighter they don't use?
61 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:29:05pm |
re: #56 Targetpractice
That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.
Eek!
62 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:08pm |
re: #58 Gus
Yeah. That sentence is pretty messed up. There are no AF F-18s. I laughed when I saw them mention the F-35 as an A-10 replacement. Just don't see it happening or at least not correctly. The F-35 is another watch.
Heh. It's "channelnewsasia," not Jane's. :D
63 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:15pm |
re: #60 Kragar
Why does the AF need replacements for a fighter they don't use?
Exactly. I think they meant F-15.
64 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:30:46pm |
re: #63 Gus
Exactly. I think they meant F-15.
F-16, actually. The F-22's supposed to be an F-15 replacement, but the Eagle's still going strong while the Raptor remains grounded.
65 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:32:32pm |
re: #64 Targetpractice
F-16, actually. The F-22's supposed to be an F-15 replacement, but the Eagle's still going strong while the Raptor remains grounded.
It would have to be the F-15E Strike Eagle but I doubt that it would happen anytime before 2020.
66 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:32:48pm |
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
67 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:33:45pm |
re: #66 Kragar
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
Or a Sparrow missile that worked.
//
68 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:33:52pm |
re: #66 Kragar
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
It did have it's own unique type of beauty, though.
69 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:34:42pm |
re: #68 It's a cookbook!
It did have it's own unique type of beauty, though.
Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.
70 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:35:16pm |
re: #66 Kragar
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
I liked the downward ejecting ejection seat of the F-104 myself.
//
71 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:35:31pm |
re: #69 Kragar
Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.
Not fighting you on that, just saying that she's easy on the eyes.
72 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:36:21pm |
re: #66 Kragar
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.
73 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:36:44pm |
re: #69 Kragar
Aesthetics should be secondary for weapons.
Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.
74 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:33pm |
re: #73 Gus
Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.
The F-4 Phantom: the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.
75 | AK-47% Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:43pm |
re: #73 Gus
Well. The Phantom was never really known for its looks to be honest. Just for a certain select group of Phantom Phans.
they are a menace...
76 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:38:52pm |
I was watching an episode of the Avengers cartoon earlier. Hulk throws something at an attack helicopter. You see a puff of smoke and, after that clears, a parachute drifting to earth. I laughed my ass off.
77 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:11pm |
re: #40 It's a cookbook!
That one is very close to being my number one pick, but Time Enough At Last is just so fucked up beyond words that it's at the top.
There are just a few Speculative Fiction writers whose body of short story work transcends their peers. There is a huge population that generated a few great short stories, but the masters of the form are few and far between. Harlan Ellison, Roger Zelazny, James Tiptree Jr. (Alice Sheldon), Samuel R. Delaney, and Bruce Sterling come to mind. Go to your local used bookstore, buy their collections, and be amazed.
78 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:42pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice
Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.
Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.
79 | goddamnedfrank Sat, May 19, 2012 11:39:43pm |
More on the Tinley Park restaurant attack. If these guys aren't taking actual credit they're toeing right up to the line, and targeting specific individuals:
On Saturday, May 19th a group of 30 anti-fascists descended upon Ashford House restaurant in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park where the 5th annual White Nationalist Economic Summit and Illinois White Nationalist Meet-and-Greet was taking place. The White Nationalists were targeted inside the restaurant and physically attacked, causing several injuries and completely shutting down their meeting. The anti-fascist group was privy to anonymous inside information. This fascist event had been in secret planning for six months. The attendees have attempted to cover up the true intent of the event with mainstream media reports initially reporting the white nationalist conference as a wedding party and then as an Irish heritage meeting. The event was advertised on stormfront dot org (edit: URL deliberately broken by GDF to prevent link creation), an established white nationalist fascist internet forum.
I won't supply a link, URL or even a cached version of the page because it contains a hit list of specific individuals with photos and identifying information.
80 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:40:23pm |
re: #74 Targetpractice
The F-4 Phantom: the triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.
Let's start first with this brick.
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81 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:41:14pm |
re: #78 Kragar
Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.
I'm reminded of a joke about the German Panthers that everyone here has probably heard already...
83 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:41:45pm |
re: #76 It's a cookbook!
I was watching an episode of the Avengers cartoon earlier. Hulk throws something at an attack helicopter. You see a puff of smoke and, after that clears, a parachute drifting to earth. I laughed my ass off.
Old School G.I. Joe, machine guns, anti aircraft missiles, flame throwers, and every one bales out of their vehicle before it explodes.
I remember watching Robotech when it came on TV when I was a kid and freaking out because it showed characters dying all the time. It was awesome.
84 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:42:52pm |
re: #81 It's a cookbook!
I'm reminded of a joke about the German Panthers that everyone here has probably heard already...
I'm reminded of the one about eggs and one basket.
85 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:43:04pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice
Hell, that's been the point of fighter development in the US for decades now, the pursuit of a fighter that has no need for guns or maneuverability because its radar and stealth will help it wipe the sky of opponents before they can get within range.
The old Cold War standard was essentially based on suicide missions. Some of which included catching up with Russian strategic bombers and firing of a nuclear Genie missile then escaping that and coming hime, ditching out over sea or somewhere in friendly territory in Europe.
86 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:43:35pm |
re: #83 Kragar
Old School G.I. Joe, machine guns, anti aircraft missiles, flame throwers, and every one bales out of their vehicle before it explodes.
I remember watching Robotech when it came on TV when I was a kid and freaking out because it showed characters dying all the time. It was awesome.
I'm not a fan of subjecting kids to images of violence while whitewashing the consequences of said violence. My logic tells me that's even worse.
87 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:44:25pm |
88 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:45:28pm |
re: #78 Kragar
Kill ratios work great as long as the other side is scared of the ratio. Its when they say "20 to 1? Shit, send up 21." that you have a problem.
I've noticed that kill ratios tend to speak more to the skill of the pilots than the birds they flew. On paper, fighters like the F4F Wildcat and F-86 Sabre were either disadvantaged or barely even in every measurable way to their enemies.
89 | Kragar Sat, May 19, 2012 11:45:30pm |
90 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:47:54pm |
re: #88 Targetpractice
I've noticed that kill ratios tend to speak more to the skill of the pilots than the birds they flew. On paper, fighters like the F4F Wildcat and F-86 Sabre were either disadvantaged or barely even in every measurable way to their enemies.
Yep. At least in Viet Nam it wasn't until the Top Gun school opened for business. That and figuring out what was going wrong with the Sparrow missile. With the Navy other than the F-8 Crusader you were going in gunless.
91 | Targetpractice Sat, May 19, 2012 11:47:59pm |
re: #85 Gus
The old Cold War standard was essentially based on suicide missions. Some of which included catching up with Russian strategic bombers and firing of a nuclear Genie missile then escaping that and coming hime, ditching out over sea or somewhere in friendly territory in Europe.
The 50s and 60s was mostly because raw speed and climb, running on the idea that fighters would be primarily used as interceptors to knock out high-flying intercontinental bombers. Then the 70s saw more emphasis on maneuverability as the art of dogfighting came back in vogue. And the 80s distilled all that, plus started adding stealth in order to regain the edge lost to increasingly faster and smarter enemy fighters.
92 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:48:49pm |
re: #66 Kragar
I still love the days when the F-4 Phantom was being designed, when all the designers thought no interceptor would ever need a cannon again now that they had missiles.
Interestingly enough, It was an Israeli export version of the F-4 that had the first integral 20 mm gun installed in the wing root.
93 | Varek Raith Sat, May 19, 2012 11:49:05pm |
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I see 000G got banned.
Sigh.
95 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:50:24pm |
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99 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:52:29pm |
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That doesn't seem right. I didn't see anything that would lead to that. Nor did I catch any buzz about that about to happen.
100 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:52:32pm |
101 | austin_blue Sat, May 19, 2012 11:53:08pm |
re: #99 Gus
That doesn't seem right. I didn't see anything that would lead to that. Nor did I catch any buzz about that about to happen.
Charles?
103 | Varek Raith Sat, May 19, 2012 11:54:33pm |
104 | AK-47% Sat, May 19, 2012 11:54:56pm |
re: #96 prairiefire
There were a handful of outstanding songs that came out of the disco era, this was one of my faves.
105 | Lidane Sat, May 19, 2012 11:56:03pm |
re: #24 It's a cookbook!
I have a confession to make.
I... I want to see Snow White and Huntsman.
There, I said it.
I'll watch it only because Chris Hemsworth is the Huntsman. I'm also going to wait for it to hit Redbox first, since it's expensive as shit to go to the movies these days. I spent nearly $30 just walking in the door to see The Avengers, and that was before the popcorn and soda. WTF.
106 | Gus Sat, May 19, 2012 11:56:33pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Cool beans.
Yeah. Didn't see or hear about anything that would have led to this so I'm thinking just a wrong mouse click.
107 | Mocking Jay Sat, May 19, 2012 11:59:23pm |
re: #105 Lidane
I'll watch it only because Chris Hemsworth is the Huntsman. I'm also going to wait for it to hit Redbox first, since it's expensive as shit to go to the movies these days. I spent nearly $30 just walking in the door to see The Avengers, and that was before the popcorn and soda. WTF.
Were you paying for someone else?
108 | prairiefire Sun, May 20, 2012 12:02:48am |
109 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 12:03:12am |
re: #91 Targetpractice
The 50s and 60s was mostly because raw speed and climb, running on the idea that fighters would be primarily used as interceptors to knock out high-flying intercontinental bombers. Then the 70s saw more emphasis on maneuverability as the art of dogfighting came back in vogue. And the 80s distilled all that, plus started adding stealth in order to regain the edge lost to increasingly faster and smarter enemy fighters.
Of course the F-86 Sabers were rather nimble.
110 | prairiefire Sun, May 20, 2012 12:03:47am |
111 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:04:31am |
re: #107 It's a cookbook!
Were you paying for someone else?
Yeah. I went with the boyfriend. Since he'd paid for us to see The Hunger Games, I paid for The Avengers. Maybe it cost a lot more because we saw it in 3D? Anyhow, it was almost $30 just to walk in the door, and two small drinks, a small popcorn for me and a pretzel for him ran us another $20.
I'm really picky now in terms of what I'll go see in the theaters just because it's so damn expensive. Everything else can wait for Netflix or Redbox.
112 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:05:09am |
re: #111 Lidane
Yeah. I went with the boyfriend. Since he'd paid for us to see The Hunger Games, I paid for The Avengers. Maybe it cost a lot more because we saw it in 3D? Anyhow, it was almost $30 just to walk in the door, and two small drinks, a small popcorn for me and a pretzel for him ran us another $20.
I'm really picky now in terms of what I'll go see in the theaters just because it's so damn expensive. Everything else can wait for Netflix or Redbox.
Did you at least think it was worth it?
113 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:09:15am |
re: #112 It's a cookbook!
Did you at least think it was worth it?
Oh god yes. LOVED it. It's a damn good film. I would actually pay to see it again, which coming from me is a high compliment. If you haven't seen it yet, definitely go.
114 | prairiefire Sun, May 20, 2012 12:10:21am |
re: #110 prairiefire
Oh, yeah. Several.
I mean by the way of Mark Ruffalo (excellent) and Robert Downey Jr. (always excellent).
It was good!
115 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:11:00am |
re: #113 Lidane
Oh god yes. LOVED it. It's a damn good film. I would actually pay to see it again, which coming from me is a high compliment. If you haven't seen it yet, definitely go.
Oh, I've seen it three times...
117 | prairiefire Sun, May 20, 2012 12:15:28am |
re: #115 It's a cookbook!
Oh, I've seen it three times...
I have always had a crush on Bill Bixby, but I think that is the best Hulk yet.
118 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 12:16:26am |
Never read superhero comics as a kid, never really got into superhero comic films. Waiting for the next film about the Rock 'em Sock 'em Robots! It'll knock your block off!!!
119 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:16:44am |
re: #115 It's a cookbook!
Oh, I've seen it three times...
I've been consumed by it, which has the boyfriend laughing at me because I have never been the comic book type. I read the occasional graphic novel or series like The Walking Dead, but I'm not going to go to the comic book shop and load up on the latest from Marvel and DC every week.
I'm actually hoping they do a SHIELD film. I don't know that Hawkeye and Black Widow could carry their own individual films, but in the context of a SHIELD film with them at the center of it? Yeah, that I'd want to see.
120 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:18:37am |
re: #119 Lidane
I've been consumed by it, which has the boyfriend laughing at me because I have never been the comic book type. I read the occasional graphic novel or series like The Walking Dead, but I'm not going to go to the comic book shop and load up on the latest from Marvel and DC every week.
I'm actually hoping they do a SHIELD film. I don't know that Hawkeye and Black Widow could carry their own individual films, but in the context of a SHIELD film with them at the center of it? Yeah, that I'd want to see.
To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.
121 | Kragar Sun, May 20, 2012 12:21:17am |
re: #120 It's a cookbook!
To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.
I want some fricking Deadpool.
Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.
122 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:21:23am |
re: #120 It's a cookbook!
To be fair, Renner was the leading man in an Oscar winner, but I concede the point. But fuck that and give us the Black Panther.
Oh, Jeremy Renner is a damn good actor. I like him. I don't doubt that he carries his own films. I just don't think that Hawkeye on his own would be good enough for a solo film. Same for Black Widow, since both characters were introduced as SHIELD agents in this movie 'verse. Put the two of them together with Nick Fury and Maria Hill and have SHIELD kick some ass. There's plenty of material there.
123 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:23:05am |
re: #121 Kragar
I want some fricking Deadpool.
Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.
I want a real Deadpool, dammit. Smartass guy who breaks the fourth wall and is completely insane and hilarious. It would be nice to see.
Weren't the guys who wrote Zombieland supposed to be doing a Deadpool film?
124 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:23:53am |
re: #121 Kragar
I want some fricking Deadpool.
Or Cloak and Dagger, that would be a pretty cool movie.
There's been talk of a Cloak and Dagger TV series for a while.
And Deadpool, well, that might've been hobbled by the craptacular Wolverine movie that he was in.
125 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:24:42am |
re: #123 Lidane
I want a real Deadpool, dammit. Smartass guy who breaks the fourth wall and is completely insane and hilarious. It would be nice to see.
Umm, you know a lot about this for someone who claims to not read the stuff.
Just sayin'...
126 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 12:27:28am |
re: #125 It's a cookbook!
Umm, you know a lot about this for someone who claims to not read the stuff.
Just sayin'...
Haha. I have a boyfriend who has a ridiculous number of comic book longboxes in the house. I may not read a lot of this stuff, but he does and I've learned by osmosis.
He's a Marvel fanboy, so I end up watching every animated film and animated series just because I'll be sitting in the same room working on whatever else. And he'll tell me about whatever the latest storyline that's going on.
127 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 12:28:52am |
re: #123 Lidane
Ryan Reynolds Shares Updates on 'Deadpool', Claims It Won't Be Connected to 'Wolverine'
And with that I'm off the sleep.
128 | austin_blue Sun, May 20, 2012 12:32:45am |
re: #109 Gus
Of course the F-86 Sabers were rather nimble.
But they had shit engines. The Russian MIGs were worse, but those early J-47s sucked.
131 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 1:10:12am |
One of the guys arrested and released without charge showed up at DK (not TarheelDem):
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
I was one of the people arrested and released... (4+ / 0-)
I would be glad to answer any questions you may have."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:18:56 PM PDT
did you see weapons? (1+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobsby We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:24:04 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Nope (4+ / 0-)
It was a small apartment. If there were any weapons they were completely out of site and most certainly never brandished."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:33:47 PM PDT
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How about beer? Where they really brewing beer? (0+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobsby We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:06:58 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
The guy who rented the apartment... (1+ / 0-)
had just moved in and was still in the process of moving both he and his brother's stuff in. I had been staying there since May 1st. I can't remember exactly when they brought in the beer equipment, but I think it was about the end of the first week. Mind you this man is not among those arrested, and has already made a public statement about his beer.The entire time the beer equipment was there I never saw anyone touch them.
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:51:14 PM PDT
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132 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 1:11:45am |
re: #131 May Day! May Day!
Would you have the time to do a diary? (1+ / 0-)
It would certainly be helpful. The hearsay, some of it quite contradictory in detail, makes it almost impossible to pose an intelligent question...If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!
by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:26:36 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Thinking about it, but... (1+ / 0-)
Quite honestly I'm not the best writer, and so much has happened to me the past few days I wouldn't know where to begin. I feel more comfortable just trying to answer questions right now."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:37:04 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Just structure it as a timeline (0+ / 0-)
If you want to message anything to me, I'd be happy to help. Used to be a newspaper copy editor, among other things...But you're probably tired, too!
If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!
by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 09:42:08 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Extremely tired. (1+ / 0-)
I've been walking all day and was forced to check into a hostel as I've lost track of my friend who was in the march tonight. The police still have my phone and lost my drivers license which is making everything very difficult for me. I will diary tomorrow."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:03:22 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Get some rest (0+ / 0-)
And have a good breakfast! You've spoken to a Guild attorney, yes?If only donkeys could have elephant balls... Occupy!
by chuckvw on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:15:03 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Thanks and yes. (1+ / 0-)
I was held over 30 hours without EVER BEING QUESTIONED by police and then suddenly released. The first 18 hours were spent in a place that is known to be a black area that no lawyer has ever been permitted to go to. The NLG lawyer that met with all of us was the first lawyer that's ever been there. Someone has also contacted the ACLU on my behalf."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:20:59 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
Where you held separately or together? (0+ / 0-)
Jobs, Jobs, Jobsby We Won on Sat May 19, 2012 at 10:25:49 PM PDT
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The first 18 hours we were seperated (2+ / 0-)
into individual interrogation rooms. After that we were moved to another jail and put in one large holding cell together. I was in the first group that was released. The next 3 people released later that day told me that they were given separate jail cells shortly after I left. These cells were your typical rows of jail cells and did not prevent people from talking to each other."The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeis
by Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 11:05:04 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
*I meant the next two people released. (1+ / 0-)
"The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding."--Justice Louis Brandeisby Spiffydigs on Sat May 19, 2012 at 11:11:35 PM PDT
[ Parent ]
133 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 1:13:42am |
135 | EdDantes Sun, May 20, 2012 1:47:52am |
When I hear the Avengers, I think of Emma Peel. When I hear Emma Peel, I think of Diana Rigg. When I think of Diana Rigg I remember being a 12 year old boy watching Diana Rigg and thinking things.
136 | researchok Sun, May 20, 2012 1:53:33am |
138 | EdDantes Sun, May 20, 2012 2:04:30am |
re: #137 freetoken
Reminds me of the opening sequence. She is in black leather high kicking. I'll be back in a minute...
139 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 2:50:44am |
Headline from the FreeRepublic frontpage just now:
Fags have a Parade in PA
140 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 3:01:51am |
Apparently a black man stabs a white woman. Freepers react:
To: Postman
and the feral black male animal stabbed a female!War on women, indeed...by the angry blacks living in the best country on the face of the earth.
7 posted on Sun May 20 2012 07:15:28 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Postman
He should have been put down when the police found him. These animals are not fully domesticated.
8 posted on Sun May 20 2012 07:20:04 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by BigCinBigD
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141 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 3:07:37am |
re: #140 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
From another thread about the incident:
To: lowkeys
We need to start eliminating this trash from our society.
15 posted on Sat May 19 2012 20:13:02 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by thethirddegree
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
They have been doing stuff like this (and worse) in Africa against whites for over a decade, and no one has said a word. They are getting bolder now.. and it is now spreading to America.Until the whites in charge can shake their white guilt and have the fortitude to do what’s needs to be done, however un-pc it may be protrayed by the lying media, then this will only get worse.
They will pray on older whites first, because they are easy targets, but will eventually get down to the rest of us.
20 posted on Sat May 19 2012 20:18:11 GMT+0400 (Russische Normalzeit) by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. and the economy died.)
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142 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 3:58:57am |
re: #133 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
For context:
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
Is that the right link? It's a Christie interview on Imus.
143 | freetoken Sun, May 20, 2012 4:10:59am |
re: #141 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Yes, the Freepers are Stormfront. Stormfront is the Freepers.
At least the ones who aren't wanting to kill the Jews, that is.
144 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:18:55am |
Morning all!
Been awake for a couple of hours and playing on Photoshop. Don't worry, I won't force you to see the results, this time.
How is it going?
145 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:49am |
'Morning, all.
I've gone back to reading Freep and a spectrum of rw-lw blogs because it gets interesting in election year. Freepers are maintaining their niche, which I place at about an '8' scale towards rw(readable). Their handling of religion is the most characteristic thing about them.
It's good that this crap is coming out in the open.
146 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:24:00am |
re: #145 Decatur Deb
'Morning, all.
I've gone back to reading Freep and a spectrum of rw-lw blogs because it gets interesting in election year. Freepers are maintaining their niche, which I place at about an '8' scale towards rw(readable). Their handling of religion is the most characteristic thing about them.
It's good that this crap is coming out in the open.
I don't know dd, If I went over there and read, I'd probably get so mad I've have to make a t-shirt rant about it.
147 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:26:08am |
re: #146 ggt
I don't know dd, If I went over there and read, I'd probably get so mad I've have to make a t-shirt rant about it.
Gotta know about this stuff. (And it makes me feel a little better about the local barber shop.)
148 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:26:45am |
re: #145 Decatur Deb
I unintentionally lied to you the other day:
Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
The $50,000 bond Marion County Judge Sheila Carlisle set for 35-year-old Bei Bei Shuai is unusual; defendants in Indiana murder cases are rarely given the chance. Carlisle denied Shuai's bond request last June, but a state appeals court agreed with Shuai's attorneys that there was enough evidence to cast doubt on the murder and feticide charges she faces.
....
Prosecutors argue that Shuai intended to abort the fetus.Her attorneys, though, contend that she meant to kill herself, not simply end her pregnancy, and that she was suffering from depression.
149 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:30:12am |
re: #148 RogueOne
I unintentionally lied to you the other day:
Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
Ah. Don't know that that changes much--I'd expect the prosecutors to put the most criminal face on it and the defense to go most sympathetic. She still seems pretty messed up to use that method and so late in the pregnancy.
150 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:30:16am |
re: #148 RogueOne
I unintentionally lied to you the other day:
Bond OK'd for woman who killed fetus by eating rat poison
Chinese immigrant charged with murdering her fetus says she will fight charges
[Link: www.indystar.com...]
HMmmm, this is interesting. I've never heard of fetal homocide. Well, in the of a pregnant women being killed, it counts as 2 murders, but other than that.
151 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:35:03am |
Remember the scene in Grease where they talked about Rizzo (?) possibly being pregnant and they heard that if you ride the roller coaster, it would cause a miscarriage?
from Rogue's link at #148
Several medical and women's rights groups, including the National Organization for Women and the National Alliance for Mental Illness, have filed friend-of-the-court briefs in support of Shuai, claiming that prosecuting her could set a precedent under which pregnant women could be prosecuted for smoking or other behavior that might be deemed a danger to the fetus. They said that could discourage women from seeking prenatal care.
Nice the prosecutors in that state are so concerned about the fetus and that they could read the woman's mind as to her intentions. I'd be afraid to get pregnant in some states as it stands.
152 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:11am |
re: #131 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
A. I want to see the pictures of the supposed Molotov Cocktails.
B. I saw the video they mention in the news story on another site yesterday. I find it highly (HIGHLY!) suspicious that the 3 guys they harassed a few days earlier are the ones that ended up arrested.
Video:
153 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:52am |
re: #152 RogueOne
A. I want to see the pictures of the supposed Molotov Cocktails.
B. I saw the video they mention in the news story on another site yesterday. I find it highly (HIGHLY!) suspicious that the 3 guys they harassed a few days earlier are the ones that ended up arrested.Video:
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Chicago cops are taking no shit this weekend. Best to stay out of the City.
154 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:20am |
re: #150 ggt
HMmmm, this is interesting. I've never heard of fetal homocide. Well, in the of a pregnant women being killed, it counts as 2 murders, but other than that.
That seems like the impetus behind passing such laws, but there is no way to stop them from being 'elaborated' once passed. Bloggers are calling for the anti-Mafia RICO act to be used against political demonstrators. Sloppy wording might be stretched that far.
155 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:38:47am |
re: #153 ggt
Chicago cops are taking no shit this weekend. Best to stay out of the City.
Which is precisely their goal.
156 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 4:39:11am |
re: #56 Targetpractice
That was the argument behind pursuing the damn thing in the first place. Some genius(es) at the Pentagon decided that an Air Force fighter could also pull triple duty as a Navy bomb truck and a Marine close-support fighter. Apparently nobody took them aside and reminded them of the last time such an error in judgment was made.
The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.
157 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:39:33am |
I think it boils down to a self-defence issue for women. That somehow our life and well-being is forfeit for a group of cells that have the potential to be a human life pisses me off.
It is something most men can never understand. Although they bear half the responsibility, the Whackos always force the morality on the woman.
158 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:40:34am |
re: #151 ggt
They have a point (I think every law can and will be abused) but the feticide law has been around this state for a couple decades now and there isn't much (if any) evidence that the situations they're worried about are occurring and they don't mention any cases in their brief that are similar.
159 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:13am |
re: #155 Decatur Deb
Which is precisely their goal.
I enjoy the City, but it is a challenge in the best of situations for me. I'm not there on a regular basis so it's easy for me to get turned-around and traffic is always fun.
I heard about the NATO conference and immediately blocked off my calendar to be sure I didn't plan anything.
160 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:35am |
161 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:42:32am |
re: #158 RogueOne
They have a point (I think every law can and will be abused) but the feticide law has been around this state for a couple decades now and there isn't much (if any) evidence that the situations they're worried about are occurring and they don't mention any cases in their brief that are similar.
I would probably think of feticide as when someone specifically attacks a pregnant woman in order to kill the fetus. There are the occassional case --usually whackos wanting a baby.
Another reason for safe, legal abortion, IMHO.
162 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:42:34am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.
Once you name a plane 'the Aardvark' it's pretty much doomed.
163 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:01am |
164 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:47am |
re: #160 RogueOne
BTW, that t-shirt was "distributed by the Denver police union during the '08 Democratic National Convention"
165 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 4:45:43am |
re: #155 Decatur Deb
Which is precisely their goal.
As it needs to be. A protest that gets out of control would be extremely embarrassing to both Mayor Emmanuel and President Obama. It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".
166 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:35am |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
As it needs to be. A protest that gets out of control would be extremely embarrassing to both Mayor Emmanuel and President Obama. It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".
could be that those in charge don't want people getting hurt --especially cops.
167 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:39am |
re: #165 Dark_Falcon
..... It would also put Obama in the position of supporting a crackdown on the far-left, which he would prefer to avoid. He'll support that if he has to, but he'd prefer not to make "enemies to the left".
If it's true that they were planning on fire-bombing his state HQ....It might be a little late to be worrying about making enemies on the left...
168 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:47am |
Well, I think I might be able to go back to sleep.
Night all/Morning all!
169 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 4:50:51am |
re: #164 RogueOne
BTW, that t-shirt was "distributed by the Denver police union during the '08 Democratic National Convention"
You haven't seen the t-shirt the gift shop at the NBC Tower in Chicago has been selling, have you?
I work in the NBC Tower and spoke to the gift shop manager about it. He said the biggest buyers were Chicago and Illinois State Police, and the third shipment he got of those shirts was purchased entirely by the state police before it even arrived at the shop.
170 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 4:53:12am |
re: #167 RogueOne
If it's true that they were planning on fire-bombing his state HQ...It might be a little late to be worrying about making enemies on the left...
He'll never win over the true radicals, who have the same sort of problem with compromise that the Paulians do, but he's in a better position if he retains those who allow for some compromise, even if only with liberals.
171 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 4:55:25am |
re: #166 ggt
could be that those in charge don't want people getting hurt --especially cops.
"Police riot".
--The Walker Report
[Link: chicago68.com...]
172 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:04:42am |
10 Of The Most Awkward Couples In America
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
173 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 5:06:47am |
re: #172 RogueOne
10 Of The Most Awkward Couples In America
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
Isn't there supposed to be some little dude in that group?
174 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:03am |
re: #173 Decatur Deb
What's wrong with this country when a little old lady can't walk her gimp around town on a leash without people calling them "awkward"?
175 | Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:49am |
re: #142 RogueOne
Is that the right link? It's a Christie interview on Imus.
Yes. It's highly unlikely that the guy who wrote that had anything to do with alleged planned attacks on Obama's office, no matter what dishonest partisans might say.
176 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 5:14:34am |
Found my copy of the Walker Report on the bookshelf. It was between this:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
And this:
[Link: www.blackpast.org...]
I was hoping we might not go this way again.
177 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:19:31am |
Another OWS bomb conviction!
Cameraman convicted of obstructing police
[Link: www.nctimes.com...]
After a two-day trial in which attorneys argued over the rights of a citizen or member of the press when dealing with police, a jury on Thursday convicted a photojournalist of obstructing a sheriff's deputy at the scene of a bomb scare.
So far it sounds pretty treacherous but then it gets funny:
Bottle causes panic
The incident began with a bottle of urine on the curb, next to a coffee mug, outside of the prominent Republican congressman's office, not long after a group of Occupy movement protesters had left.An Issa supporter called his Vista office to report that a demonstrator might intend to splash urine on an Issa staffer. Somehow, that brought the San Diego County sheriff's bomb squad to the scene. Deputies evacuated the building and a 90-minute crisis followed.
Long story short. Cop observes man holding a camera and assumes he's trying to detonate the bottle of urine with his cellphone. Luckily for him the judge didn't buy the prosecutors story or the juries verdict and gives the guy zero time and no probation.
178 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:20:45am |
re: #175 I'm back in the USSR (sigh)
Yes. It's highly unlikely that the guy who wrote that had anything to do with alleged planned attacks on Obama's office, no matter what dishonest partisans might say.
I'm confused. They guy who got arrested wrote the Imus diary last year?
179 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 5:21:22am |
re: #176 Decatur Deb
Found my copy of the Walker Report on the bookshelf. It was between this:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
And this:
[Link: www.blackpast.org...]
I was hoping we might not go this way again.
We'll see. The Chicago police have much better training this time and the protestors are in general much less likely to be violent. It won't be 1968, but if some people start destroying property, then those people are going to get their asses hauled off to jail.
180 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 5:23:07am |
re: #179 Dark_Falcon
We'll see. The Chicago police have much better training this time and the protestors are in general much less likely to be violent. It won't be 1968, but if some people start destroying property, then those people are going to get their asses hauled off to jail.
This won't be '68. Could be '66.
181 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:23:11am |
re: #178 RogueOne
Never mind, went back and checked. He is.
182 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 5:27:23am |
re: #180 Decatur Deb
This won't be '68. Could be '66.
Unlikely, but it could happen. It depends on more the protestors than the police.
BBIAB
183 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:49:35am |
A Seventh-Grader’s Letter To Ronald Reagan
As a kid, Andy Smith thought the only way he could get his room cleaned was by declaring it a disaster area and requesting disaster relief with the President. Here is President Reagan's response to the boy.
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
184 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 5:53:16am |
The jokes write themselves....
New York man charged with obstruction after police find concealed marijuana
[Link: www.nj.com...]
READINGTON -- A 31-year-old Staten Island, N.Y. man was charged with obstruction of the law and more after he allegedly attempted to conceal marijuana in his rectum, according to State Police at the Perryville station.
Police stopped Lawrence Browning at about 7:15 a.m. on Monday, May 14, near milepost 24.5 on Route 78 westbound in Readington Township.
Trooper Bruce Sanderson approached the vehicle and immediately smelled raw marijuana, police said. Browning and his passenger, Edward Black, 32, also of Staten Island, were removed from the vehicle and searched. Nothing was found during a search of the vehicle, but Trooper Sanderson continued to smell marijuana.
Browning was searched again. Throughout the process he continued to stand awkwardly, police said.
185 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 6:30:08am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
The Air Force doesn't care. Its brass hates the A-10, first for not being a hyper-advanced fighter, and second for being an aircraft designed to 'play second fiddle to the Army'.
It is a venerable old tradition that goes back to the days of the Air Superiority theorists: anything that distracts the Air Force from its "primary" task of bombing out the enemy's strategic capabilities is frowned on by the brass.
Which is why the RAF was still sending bombing raids against chemical plants in Mannheim while the German Wehrmacht was pouring over the River Meuse at Sedan to trap the BEF at Dunkirk...
186 | RogueOne Sun, May 20, 2012 6:43:14am |
Finally some good news out of Libya:
Libyan convicted in Lockerbie bombing is dead
[Link: www.ktiv.com...]
BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) - Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, a Libyan intelligence officer who was the only person ever convicted in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, died Sunday nearly three years after he was released from a Scottish prison to the outrage of the relatives of the attack's 270 victims. He was 60.
187 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, May 20, 2012 6:44:32am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
You can't do ground support doing mach 3, they learned that in 'nam. I know preaching to the choir.
Good morning lizards, "if you find yoursef walking in endless fields do not worry, for you are walking in the fields of elysiun... and you're already dead!"
188 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 6:58:30am |
re: #187 Tommy's cone of shame
You can't do ground support doing mach 3, they learned that in 'nam. I know preaching to the choir.
Good morning lizards, "if you find yoursef walking in endless fields do not worry, for you are walking in the fields of elysiun... and you're already dead!"
"What we do in life, echos in eternity."
Just got back. I woke up to find weak airflow from my furnace/central AC. The reason was a dirty filter. Thankfully, the local Home Depot opens at 8am on Sunday. New filter is in and everything is cool again.
189 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, May 20, 2012 7:04:22am |
Not one stitch of tp in the house...
190 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 7:05:03am |
re: #189 Tommy's cone of shame
Not one stitch of tp in the house...
Just pretend you're a constipated monkey and call a zookeeper...
191 | Shropshire_Slasher Sun, May 20, 2012 7:07:20am |
re: #190 Expand Your Ground
I was just going to go outside and rub my ass in the grass like my dogs should (they do it on the carpet)
192 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:13:46am |
re: #191 Tommy's cone of shame
I was just going to go outside and rub my ass in the grass like my dogs should (they do it on the carpet)
Better yet, find a 7-11 or a Walgreens instead.
193 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:15:42am |
re: #186 RogueOne
Finally some good news out of Libya:
Libyan convicted in Lockerbie bombing is dead
[Link: www.ktiv.com...]
Good. Rot in pieces.
194 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:17:47am |
Another arrest in the OWS terrorism plot
Man faces terrorism charges in Molotov cocktail plot
A Northwest Side man has been charged with terrorism and making a false threat, accused of planning to make a Molotov cocktail to be used during the NATO summit.
Sebastian Senakiewicz, 24, of the 3600 block of North Odell Avenue, is the fourth person to be hit with terrorism-related charges this week, but police would not say whether he is connected to three people arrested in a Bridgeport raid earlier this week.
....
Senakiewicz "had been planning/conspiring with more than two other individuals in the building of explosives, including molotov cocktails which were to be used/detonated during the NATO summit," according to the report.
195 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:22:17am |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
Another arrest in the OWS terrorism plot
Man faces terrorism charges in Molotov cocktail plot
Objection: Occupy Chicago (OCC) as an organization has not been implicated in this plot. There is no evidence that OCC's official organization (such as it is, though) was in an way aware of or complicit in this plot.
196 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:22:39am |
OWS idiots attack police van (video)
More video here: [Link: storyful.com...]
As you can clearly see in the last video he was on the hood on the van voluntarily.
197 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 7:23:48am |
re: #195 Dark_Falcon
Objection: Occupy Chicago (OCC) as an organization has not been implicated in this plot. There is no evidence that OCC's official organization (such as it is, though) was in an way aware of or complicit in this plot.
Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...
198 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:27:09am |
Motherfuckin' Tennessee? Holy shit...Mornin' all.
President Obama has pulled into a virtual tie with Republican Mitt Romney in traditionally conservative Tennessee tennessean.com/article/201205...— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) May 20, 2012
199 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:28:26am |
re: #197 Expand Your Ground
Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...
As it should. The movement has been using violence since the very beginning and it has only escalated. The White powder mailings, bomb threats and terror plots are becoming more common. There's an endemic problem with the movement.
200 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:15am |
re: #197 Expand Your Ground
Too late. This is going to hang on the Occupy movement like a bad smell...
I know. But if I point out facts and lines of reasoning favorable to George Zimmerman (as I have a times in analyzing the criminal case against him), then I must by rights do the same thing for OCC. One must be fair, after all.
201 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:39am |
re: #196 Killgore Trout
OWS idiots attack police van (video)
More video here: [Link: storyful.com...]
As you can clearly see in the last video he was on the hood on the van voluntarily.
Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.
202 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 7:31:46am |
re: #199 Killgore Trout
As it should. The movement has been using violence since the very beginning and it has only escalated. The White powder mailings, bomb threats and terror plots are becoming more common. There's an endemic problem with the movement.
If it were a movement.
The point I have been making from the very start is that it is not a movement, it is a group of people who have something to protest and come together at the same time and place to voice their protests.
It is a group of individuals. There are some groupings associated with it, most of whom, since they are publicly identifiable, lean towards a provocative-but-peaceful approach.
203 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:02am |
re: #201 Gus
Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.
The Chicago tribune reporter says they saw at least two people slashing the van's tires, the guys on the hood are there by their own free will.
204 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:11am |
re: #201 Gus
Mornin' KT. Funny thing. I don't see any people attacking the police van.
It's VIOLENCE AND CHAOS! OWS JUST ATE A GRANDMOTHER AS SHE CROSSED THE STREET! BE AFRAID OF THE ENVIORNMENTALISTS AND UNIONS!
205 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:34:13am |
re: #198 darthstar
Motherfuckin' Tennessee? Holy shit...Mornin' all.
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That poll was taken among "all adults". If you read on you'll find that Romney has a 7 point lead among registered voters. His lead among likely voters is probably higher still. Vanderbilt should not have taken the 'all adults' part of the poll at all, as it is deceptive.
206 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:19am |
re: #203 Killgore Trout
The Chicago tribune reporter says they saw at least two people slashing the van's tires, the guys on the hood are there by their own free will.
Yes. The guy on the hood seemed like a loon. But it didn't look like the end of the world for all involved either.
207 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:27am |
re: #205 Dark_Falcon
That poll was taken among "all adults". If you read on you'll find that Romney has a 7 point lead among registered voters. His lead among likely voters is probably higher still. Vanderbilt should not have taken the 'all adults' part of the poll at all, as it is deceptive.
Tennessee is headed toward Swingstatesville. Your man needs to start plugging those leaks.
208 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:35:37am |
EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!
209 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:36:32am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!
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BEHAVE YOURSELVES! BEHAVE YOURSELVES! STOP RAPING PEOPLE! STOP RAPING PEOPLE!
210 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:36:47am |
re: #204 darthstar
Actually, the nurse's union protest on Friday was entirely peaceful, and the Chicago Tribune reported it as such.
212 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:04am |
re: #207 darthstar
If you believe a bad poll like that, then you'll believe any lame swill the left pushes on you.
213 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:17am |
More projection than an IMAX theater:
Marco Rubio calls Obama most 'divisive figure' in US politics
"The man who today occupies the White House and is running for president is a very different person," Rubio said at a high-profile GOP fundraiser, where he claimed Obama has abandoned the ideals he ran on in 2008. "We have not seen such a divisive figure in modern American history than we have over the last three and one-half years."
Right. Because Barack Obama has gone out of his way to be overly entitled, divisive, refuses to work with his political opponents, and relies on propaganda and ignorance to advance his agenda.
Oh, wait. Sorry. I was thinking about the Republican party. Never mind.
214 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:38:29am |
216 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:27am |
re: #213 Lidane
More projection than an IMAX theater:
Marco Rubio calls Obama most 'divisive figure' in US politics
Right. Because Barack Obama has gone out of his way to be overly entitled, divisive, refuses to work with his political opponents, and relies on propaganda and ignorance to advance his agenda.
Oh, wait. Sorry. I was thinking about the Republican party. Never mind.
Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.
217 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:28am |
Gay neighbor twitpic.com/9n9cmj
— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) May 20, 2012
218 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:39:59am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
EAT THE RICH! SMASH THE STATE!
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Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.
With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.
219 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:21am |
220 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:34am |
221 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:40:36am |
re: #218 darthstar
Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.
With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.
WHYY
222 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:05am |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.
Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.
The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.
223 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:14am |
224 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:41:32am |
225 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:42:01am |
re: #222 Lidane
Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.
The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.
Naw, they are to busy being distracted by the Barbie Dolls.
226 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:42:58am |
re: #221 Gus
WHYY
Oops...Typing in bed with a cat under one arm and the wife under the other...missed that. Sorry, Terry.
227 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:43:10am |
re: #218 darthstar
Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.
With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.
Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread. I don't like that group, and I hope they wither away, but I do not blame them for things that they do not do.
229 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:43:56am |
re: #218 darthstar
Those are just the same anarchist fucktards that show up at everything from Mother's Day Pet parades to Rodeo Week pancake breakfasts. They're not part of OWS, CNN, MLB, or WKYY in Philadelphia (shout out to Terry Gross!). They're agitator assholes. I didn't realize you and DF were getting hard ons over these people and assuming they were representative of the movements you detest. Now it all makes sense.
With all due respect, you guys are a little loony on this subject.
The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.
230 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:18am |
re: #224 ggt
That is a bad thing?
No, the bad thing is that it wasn't working right before I changed it. After I changed the filter, things got better.
231 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:31am |
And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:
Eduardo Saverin Bill Backed By John Boehner
Eduardo Saverin's decision to renounce his United States citizenship in order to avoid paying taxes on his Facebook stock was "absolutely outrageous," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC's George Stephanopolous on "This Week."
Boehner said that his move was "already against the law," likely referring to legislation written in the 1990s by now-Sen. Jack Reed (R-R.I.).
Saverin, a Facebook cofounder, could save tens or hundreds of millions in taxes by ditching his American citizenship. In a statement responding the outcry, Saverin said that it was unfortunate that his personal decision had created "a public debate." But if there is a debate about his behavior, it's decidedly one-sided, with everyone from Boehner to Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer on the same side, and Saverin and Rush Limbaugh on the other.
233 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:36am |
re: #222 Lidane
Bullshit. Total bullshit. Stop buying into the NRO and Faux News lies and pay attention for once.
The GOP has made it their mission since day one to make him fail and to oppose him at every turn. Fuck them.
You're talking to a wall.
234 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:44:41am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread....
Saw that. Made my eyes pop out of my head.
235 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:45:38am |
re: #231 Lidane
And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:
Sure, and when they stop putting their money in off-shore accounts to dodge taxes they can pass their bill.
/gah
236 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:45:54am |
re: #231 Lidane
And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:
I'm a little confused because last I read Eduardo Saverin was going to pay his taxes.
237 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 7:46:54am |
re: #229 Killgore Trout
The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.
They included themselves. That is what OWS is about.
238 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:10am |
re: #229 Killgore Trout
The plot to blow up the bridge and this latest plot in Chicago were both planned by anarchists who were long time participants in OWS. The inclusion of anarchists in OWS was a very bad idea.
Inclusion? They're uninvited guests, at best. You still think they're part of the "organized" group we call the occupy movement (which still, by the way, has no actual organization, but is just a bunch of grass-roots activists from around the country).
239 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:28am |
re: #236 Gus
I'm a little confused because last I read Eduardo Saverin was going to pay his taxes.
When has reality ever gotten in the way of politics?
240 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:47:54am |
I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.
241 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:51:25am |
re: #240 Gus
I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.
I'm not sure any of them had an opinion of you . . .
242 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:51:39am |
re: #240 Gus
I don't like any of those guys though. The turds that started Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.
I don't mind them. I don't begrudge them their success, either.
I just think it's hilarious that anyone in the GOP is complaining about a billionaire leaving the country.
243 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:02am |
re: #239 Lidane
When has reality ever gotten in the way of politics?
I could have been wrong. Anywho. Americans like to lick boots so I'll let people lick the boots of Eduardo Saverin and Mark Zuckerberg. In the end the billions Facebook makes will hardly make the jobs that that same sum would have made decades ago. It's still a rather closed system no reflective of traditional American ingenuity and enterprise. Technologically Facebook has made no advances.
244 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:07am |
Anti-fascists Attack White Nationalists in Chicago Suburb
“Tables were being thrown and chairs were broken,” the employee said. “Then they were gone. They flashed in and out. They had people waiting for them outside.”
The assailants attacked at least one restaurant employee, the employee said. They also painted something unclear on a restaurant wall, the employee said.
....
Up to 20 people clad in black clothing and wearing black hoods walked into the Ashford House Restaurant in Tinley Park and began attacking patrons inside the restaurant with hammers and clubs, witnesses said.
245 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:18am |
re: #216 Dark_Falcon
Actually, Obama does do the items in the bolded section.
That's a completely false statement. Obama has repeatedly worked with Republicans on a large number of issues. If you mean that he doesn't give in 100% to the demands of Republicans, that's true.
246 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 7:52:36am |
re: #241 ggt
I'm not sure any of them had an opinion of you . . .
Yes GGT. I'm sure you don't have any opinions of others either.
247 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:53:55am |
re: #231 Lidane
And here I thought the GOP was all about rich people going Galt. Cue the RWNJs going after Boehner for this:
John Boehner wants to be House Speaker. Backing Saverin's obvious tax dodge would only help Boehner lose that job. Rush can fire up his ditto-heads in response, but ditto-heads are not a majority in the Speaker's district in Ohio.
248 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, May 20, 2012 7:55:42am |
re: #246 Gus
Yes GGT. I'm sure you don't have any opinions of others either.
No, none at all. I'm poli-neutral.
/:0
249 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 7:58:16am |
re: #243 Gus
Facebook has done one thing, along with Twitter -- it created another bubble that is set to burst at some point:
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
I like both Facebook and Twitter, but there's got to be a point where one or both of them gives way to something new.
250 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 7:58:47am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
This bunch "Anti-Racist Action" (ARA) predates Occupy by a number of years. I don't know of any of ARA acts of violence at any Occupy events or camps, nor has Occupy ever voted support of any ARA violence.
251 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:06am |
Everyone I disagree with is part of an enormous (fill in blank)-wing conspiracy.
252 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:28am |
re: #250 Dark_Falcon
This bunch "Anti-Racist Action" (ARA) predates Occupy by a number of years. I don't know of any of ARA acts of violence at any Occupy events or camps, nor has Occupy ever voted support of any ARA violence.
Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.
253 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:01:52am |
re: #249 Lidane
Facebook has done one thing, along with Twitter -- it created another bubble that is set to burst at some point:
[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]
I like both Facebook and Twitter, but there's got to be a point where one or both of them gives way to something new.
Always. I'm old enough to have seen these things come and go. Just a big yawn from me. I like Twitter but if it went belly up tomorrow I would move on to something else.
254 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:04:22am |
re: #252 Killgore Trout
Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.
LOL
255 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:06:10am |
re: #252 Killgore Trout
Agreed but even the koskidz are speculating that these people were possibly in town for the nato protests. I wouldn't pin this directly on OWS but it might be related.
In that sense, you are correct.
One point of terminology: Given that different "Occupy" groups around the US have had varying degrees of law-breaking (Occupy San Francisco has been non-violent while Occupy Oakland has been seriously violent), i would ask that we identify any Occupy groups by their city. In that vein, I call Occupy Chicago OCC (OC in my mind refers to Orange County), and I ask you to do the same.
256 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 8:06:51am |
re: #237 Expand Your Ground
They included themselves. That is what OWS is about.
Obvious is obvious. But not to all.
257 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 8:08:46am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.
Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."
258 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:10:00am |
They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.
"Ack! Ack!"
260 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:04am |
re: #258 darthstar
They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.
Exactly.
261 | Renaissance_Man Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:13am |
re: #258 darthstar
They could hold the NATO meetings at a sub-station in the Antarctic and groups of protesters would show up just to make the local penguins look bad.
"Ack! Ack!"
Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.
262 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 8:12:19am |
re: #257 Shiplord Kirel
Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.
Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
263 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 8:13:08am |
re: #261 Renaissance_Man
Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.
March of the Penguins is clearly an anarchist conspiracy.
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264 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:13:30am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
We should probably find out where they live and bulldoze their homes.
//
265 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:14:11am |
re: #257 Shiplord Kirel
Wow! Looks like a very well-planned large scale assault. Even if the targets are whack-job racists, organized political violence is beyond the pale in this country and the captured perps need to go away for a long time.
Drudge has headlined this today, along with numerous other stories of violence and chaos from Chicago. The headline on the restaurant attack links to a Sun-Times story that does not mention the victimized "diners" being a gang of racists. It does mention that the victims were all from "out of state."
Really, this next vid is mandatory for this story:
266 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:14:46am |
re: #261 Renaissance_Man
Oh dear God, and then we'd have to put up with KT posting endless clips from Happy Feet like it proves something.
Watching Happy Feet makes me want to kill penguins...and they apparently don't taste very good.
267 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:16:15am |
I think it's funny to see all of the neutrality about George Zimmerman yet with other criminal suspects no amount of neutrality with the added massive conspiracy theories before even have on single piece of evidence. Not a big deal for me. Internet people will be internet people.
268 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:16:38am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
The local Scottish festival in the Chicago metro area is the "Highland Games", and they don't advertise on Stormfront. Don't take your dislike of left-wing nut jobs so far that you end up covering for right-wing nut jobs.
269 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:17:44am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
I'm pissed off that they blamed the Irish. I have half a mind to go to their hospitals and put ice in their bedpans.
270 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:18:29am |
re: #269 darthstar
I'm pissed off that they blamed the Irish. I have half a mind to go to their hospitals and put ice in their bedpans.
The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.
//
272 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:19:24am |
re: #270 Gus
The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.
//
Baptizing babies.
273 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:20:41am |
re: #270 Gus
The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.
//
Running Chicago for decades on end.
274 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 8:20:55am |
re: #268 Dark_Falcon
I'm not covering for them, just noticing that none of the articles mention who the victims were. It does seem that they were indeed white supremacists.
Anti-Racist Action Group Claims Credit for Attack Inside Chicagoland Restaurant
The apparent other side of this story developed in the comments section of an article by the Tinley Park Patch, one of AOL’s subsidiary websites devoted to “hyper-local” news. The attack was reported there (and elsewhere) as a strange, random incident possibly linked to the Occupy-associated anti-N.A.T.O. protests that have been revving up in downtown Chicago since mid-week.
A message thread at Stormfront.org dating back to April matches Anti-Racist Action’s statements regarding the date and nature of the meeting. User “Sgathaich” posted about the event on April 3 and added, “If you are a business owner/self employed bring your info. All ideas are welcome. White’s working for White’s [sic]. White’s supporting White’s [sic]. We are taking back what is ours.”
275 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 8:21:41am |
re: #270 Gus
The Irish. What are they good for besides organizing parades and putting out fires.
//
Also starting fires.
276 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 8:22:04am |
278 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 8:22:55am |
re: #274 Killgore Trout
I'm not covering for them, just noticing that none of the articles mention who the victims were. It does seem that they were indeed white supremacists.
Anti-Racist Action Group Claims Credit for Attack Inside Chicagoland Restaurant
The same unnamed employee told Patch that the woman who made reservations for the group that was attacked claimed they travel the country touring ‘Irish festivals.’
281 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 8:28:16am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
The thugs from ARA call the event the "White Nationalist Economic Summit" and name 3 well-known white supremacists as having attended. One of them, CCC and Stormfront puke Brandon Spiller, was treated at a hospital for his injuries. I won't link to their article because it includes home address information. The other two, Beckie Williams and Thomas Stuart Burns, are well-known white nationalists with connections to CCC and various other racist groups. All have Stormfront handles. Williams, in fact, is one of the top Stormfront posters ("SGATHAICH").
282 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:29:07am |
re: #279 Gus
Mooo!
The famed Union Stockyards. Back when Chicago was know as "Hog Butcher to the World", and slaughtered cattle by the hundreds of thousands each year. Nowadays, a slaughterhouse in an urban area would be picketed by lefties non-stop, so they tend to be in more remote areas (though livestock are still transported through Chicago by trains on their way to slaughter).
I must also note, to come back to the main topic, that the Union Stockyards were the setting of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle".
283 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:31:53am |
re: #281 Shiplord Kirel
The thugs from ARA call the even the "White Nationalist Economic Summit" and name 3 well-known white supremacists as having attended. One of them, CCC and Stormfront puke Brandon Spiller, was treated at a hospital for his injuries. I won't link to their article because it includes home address information. The other two, Beckie Williams and Thomas Stuart Burns, are well-known white nationalists with connections to CCC and various other racist groups. All have Stormfront handles. Williams, in fact, is one of the top Stormfront posters ("SGATHAICH").
Dirtbags all, and none here should shed any tears for them. But we should take note that ARA violated their rights. Even racist dirtbags have the right to free assembly and to their own body not being attacked, and ARA violated those rights.
284 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 8:38:29am |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
White Supremacists assassinated to ARA leaders back in '98. It's been pretty violent since then, in lots of small confrontations. This seems bigger, but maybe it just got reported on.
286 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:43:56am |
You know how people are always talking about "if you could go back in time and assassinate Hitler?" Today, how would people react if there was an attack in a modern day Hofbrauhaus Sterneckerbräu? Hitler would have been assassinated and people would have been asking "moral questions." Maybe the ARA is from the future.
//
288 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 8:48:42am |
re: #286 Gus
Maybe the guy who pushed me off a roof was actually doing me a favor.
289 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:50:00am |
re: #284 Obdicut
White Supremacists assassinated two ARA leaders back in '98. It's been pretty violent since then, in lots of small confrontations. This seems bigger, but maybe it just got reported on.
I'm presuming you meant 'two', and I thank you for the information.
290 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 8:50:04am |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
Dirtbags all, and none here should shed any tears for them. But we should take note that ARA violated their rights. Even racist dirtbags have the right to free assembly and to their own body not being attacked, and ARA violated those rights.
If they persist with these assaults, and they might if they get away with it this time, a real tragedy is almost inevitable. Spiller had this to say in a now deleted comment at Patch News:
I had my gun in my car but couldn't get it to it due to Illinois law. If I was able to CCW they would have been stopped and I wouldn't have been typing this from the hospital.
Nazis like guns and they aren't always so punctilious about local law, even where this does not allow them to go armed (they are ALWAYS armed where it is legal). They play for keeps, ARA folk. If you go down the road of violence, be prepared for the consequences.
291 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 8:51:37am |
re: #288 Obdicut
Maybe the guy who pushed me off a roof was actually doing me a favor.
I'd explain further but I'll leave it at that.
293 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 8:55:22am |
re: #290 Shiplord Kirel
If they persist with these assaults, and they might if they get away with it this time, a real tragedy is almost inevitable. Spiller had this to say in a now deleted comment at Patch News:
Nazis like guns and they aren't always so punctilious about local law, even where this does not allow them to go armed (they are ALWAYS armed where it is legal). They play for keeps, ARA folk. If you go down the road of violence, be prepared for the consequences.
And I need to point out that if Spiller or one of the Nazis had gotten a gun and started shooting the ARA attackers, his actions would have almost certainly ruled "defense of self and others". ARA is asking to get shot pulling shit like this.
294 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 8:59:40am |
re: #293 Dark_Falcon
And I need to point out that if Spiller or one of the Nazis had gotten a gun and started shooting the ARA attackers, his actions would have almost certainly ruled "defense of self and others". ARA is asking to get shot pulling shit like this.
Absolutely. If they go after someone with a hammer or a club, it's lethal force and the law allows gunfire in response.
Can you imagine the publicity? It would be huge propaganda coup for racist elements, and ARA seems hell-bent on setting it up.
295 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 9:01:53am |
re: #227 Dark_Falcon
Don't make me part of this! I just defended OCC on this thread. I don't like that group, and I hope they wither away, but I do not blame them for things that they do not do.
1 up for loyalty to facts over perceptions as best ya can.
296 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 9:11:51am |
297 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 9:24:08am |
If Stormfront and the Black Bloc decide to kick the shit out of each other I will be compelled to post a strongly-worded comment.
298 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 9:26:42am |
Thought I'd check out the freeper response to the Chicago incident.
(I actually typed "feverswamp" in the URL line at first. Hey, I'll be 63 next month, what can I say?)
I soon came to my senses and made the necessary correction. The swampers have 2 threads. Their initial assumption was that the attackers were a "feral mob" of black teenagers, as per years of Drudge indoctrination. Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.
299 | Dark_Falcon Sun, May 20, 2012 9:31:42am |
re: #298 Shiplord Kirel
Thought I'd check out the freeper response to the Chicago incident.
(I actually typed "feverswamp" in the URL line at first. Hey, I'll be 63 next month, what can I say?)
I soon came to my senses and made the necessary correction. The swampers have 2 threads. Their initial assumption was that the attackers were a "feral mob" of black teenagers, as per years of Drudge indoctrination. Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.
Prediction: They'll soon discover that "Soros is behind ARA, and ordered the attack to keep brave men and women from informing Real America about Teh Troof about his eeeevvviilll plans to turn the US into a socialist dictatorship!!1" Those assholes are nothing if not predictable.
300 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 9:33:44am |
Maybe Hoops is watching Indy qualifying.. But Kathryn Legge just qualified for her first Indy 500
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
301 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 9:34:25am |
re: #298 Shiplord Kirel
Now, with the revelation that the perps were white and the victims Nazis, the swampers are milling around in some confusion.
Boy, that must have fucked with their view of the world. After all, the only white people that are violent against other white people are "lone wolves", not part of a mob.
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303 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 9:43:42am |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
ARA, in general, are very socially liberal, so that's a good bet.
304 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 9:44:00am |
A second new arrest in the Occupy terror plot
2 more activists charged as part of ongoing investigation related to NATO summit in Chicago
Prosecutors say two men will make initial appearances in court in Chicago as part of what they describe as an ongoing investigation of activists who planned to take part in demonstrations at the two-day NATO summit.
The Cook County State Attorney's office said in a statement Sunday that 28-year-old Mark Neiweem is charged with attempted possession of explosives or incendiary devices and 24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn-uh-KAY'-vich) is charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.
Prosecutors are expected to offer more details at the hearing later Sunday.
306 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 9:47:58am |
re: #305 Lidane
*sigh*
He cannot denounce it, if he does, he gets labelled "Obama Lover" and loses his job.
307 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49:12am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.
How does one "falsely" make a terrorist threat?
Either you make a threat, or you don't!
308 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 9:49:52am |
re: #307 sattv4u2
charged with falsely making a terrorist threat.
How does one "falsely" make a terrorist threat?
Either you make a threat, or you don't!
He'd be off the hook if he followed through.
309 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 9:50:16am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
A second new arrest in the Occupy terror plot
2 more activists charged as part of ongoing investigation related to NATO summit in Chicago
Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.
310 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 9:51:24am |
re: #308 Decatur Deb
He'd be off the hook if he followed through.
Thank God I made off with that satchel of cash from my local bank branch yesterday.
If not i'd be in jail for "falsely" trying to rob a bank!
311 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 9:51:39am |
re: #309 blueraven
Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.
Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.
312 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 9:52:03am |
re: #309 blueraven
Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.
The ends justify the means with Occupy LGF.
313 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:52:21am |
Not that I condone their actions, but the ARA did demonstrate one thing...White Supremacists are pussies.
314 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:53:41am |
re: #311 Lidane
Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.
They're protesting their fate...in five years they'll all be graduating business majors entering the world as young Republicans.
315 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 9:53:46am |
re: #311 Lidane
Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.
Breaking: man steals cigarettes, has dreads and smells like patchouli. Suspected of attending Occupy protests.
316 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 9:54:46am |
re: #313 darthstar
Not that I condone their actions, but the ARA did demonstrate one thing...White Supremacists are pussies.
These are people who have never developed any of the character traints that make up real manhood, which is why they cling so closely to all the symbols and trappings associated with it.
317 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 9:54:58am |
re: #309 blueraven
Occupy? I see no mention of any Occupy connection.
The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"
318 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:03am |
re: #311 Lidane
Duh. Anarchists are protesting something. Clearly it's Occupy related.
Right. Anarchist and black bloc tactics have only been around since the Occupy movement. //
319 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:26am |
More details:
Tinley Park brawl between white supremacists, 'anti-racists'
The "anti-fascists" boasted of the violent attack on their own website, promising more to come. The first of four key unity principles cited on the website states: "Whenever fascists are active or organizing in public, we're there. We don't believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the Nazis have the street."
Apparently they don't believe in letting the Nazis have dinner either.
One witness told Fox Chicago News that, just before the brawl, the attackers gathered in a lot near the restaurant. They were dressed entirely in black, wearing hoodies and bandannas to conceal their identity. He said the attackers were all white, including a mix of young men and women who may have been in their 20s. He said they loudly chanted political slogans. Then, armed with baseball bats, nunchuks and hammers, they ran screaming through the restaurant's front door. "
What a bunch of fools. Jail the lot of them.
320 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 9:55:59am |
re: #314 darthstar
They're protesting their fate...in five years they'll all be graduating business majors entering the world as young Republicans.
As someone with two business degrees, I can say with certainty that I'm not a Republican. One doesn't lead into the other, especially if you're taught to look at more than just the bottom financial line.
321 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:56:59am |
re: #316 Expand Your Ground
These are people who have never developed any of the character traints that make up real manhood, which is why they cling so closely to all the symbols and trappings associated with it.
That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.
322 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 9:57:12am |
re: #320 Lidane
As someone with two business degrees, I can say with certainty that I'm not a Republican. We can't all be doesn't lead into the other, especially if you're taught to look at more than just the bottom financial line.
We can't all be Anthropology majors.
323 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:10am |
re: #321 darthstar
That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.
No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.
324 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:26am |
325 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 9:58:39am |
re: #321 darthstar
That's why I don't fear conservative separatists/militias. They're basically as big a threat to America as Renaissance nerds when you come right down to it...though Renaissance nerds actually engage in hand to hand combat.
And not only that, you get to see wenches eating delicious turkey legs!!
326 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 9:59:15am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"
That's pretty funny KT. Also, lame.
327 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 9:59:32am |
re: #323 Decatur Deb
No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.
Yeah...that's the downside and I thought about it. But if they don't inspire the occasional nut then some church will. Human nature and all that.
328 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:00:39am |
re: #262 Killgore Trout
There is a mention somewhere in the updates about the person who made the reservation does something with Celtic festivals. They might have been White supremacists but anti-fascist/Back Bloc types aren't really known for their fact checking. It might have just been a bagpipe convention.
There's a problem with Celtic festivals?
329 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:05am |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a problem with Celtic festivals?
Too much green, not enough beer. Haha.
330 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:08am |
331 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:01:38am |
332 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:02am |
re: #326 blueraven
The also found the apartment on an Occupy message board.
‘NATO 3’ plotted attacks on Obama election HQ, Rahm’s house, police stations, prosecutors say
Vassilakis, a community activist who grew up in suburban Naperville, put his phone number on an Occupy Chicago housing board and met personally with any takers before deciding if they were welcome.
333 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:35am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
Stop making excuses.
Huh? Who are 'making excuses?'
You must be confused at what you deem 'making excuses.' You're being mocked for your incessant OWS obsession. Again. You're a smart dude, surely you can tell the difference.
334 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:02:35am |
re: #325 sattv4u2
And not only that, you get to see wenches eating delicious turkey legs!!
I did like drinking mead from a glass wedged between the bodacious ta-tas of a wench at a Renaissance Faire.
335 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:03:19am |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a problem with Celtic festivals?
No. I think that must be what she told the restaurant to make the reservation. Reserving a table for Nazis might cause problems.
336 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:35am |
re: #335 Killgore Trout
No. I think that must be what she told the restaurant to make the reservation. Reserving a table for Nazis might cause problems.
"Goebbels,,, your table for 8 is ready ,,,, the Goebbels party,,, your table is ready"
337 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:43am |
338 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:04:54am |
Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?
339 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:25am |
re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a problem with Celtic festivals?
I think these kids played Ren-fairs in your area, as Circa Paleo.
340 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:30am |
re: #338 Daniel Ballard
Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?
As usual we're overcast here. I miss all the celestial events.
341 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:40am |
re: #338 Daniel Ballard
Just for a change of subject, anyone going to an eclipse event/viewing today?
not viewable here in the east
{grumble ,,,, grumble grumble,,, mutter,,, mutter mutter}
342 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:05:50am |
re: #336 sattv4u2
"Goebbels,,, your table for 8 is ready ,,, the Goebbels party,,, your table is ready"
Don't Goebbels your food...chew before swallowing.
343 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 10:06:28am |
re: #323 Decatur Deb
No, most of them are bullshitters, but they provide the seedbed where McVeighs are grown.
This is a guy who thought he had to kill dozens of people to prove he was a Real Man.
344 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:06:48am |
re: #342 darthstar
Don't Goebbels your food...chew before swallowing.
Sorry, but we're in a hurry
The next reservation are Russian us!
345 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:07:41am |
Hackers Launch Cyber Attack on City of Chicago Websites
NATO protests in Chicago have prompted hackers to launch a cyber attack on both the City of Chicago’s website and the Chicago Police Department’s website on Sunday, according to published reports.
On cyberwarnews.info, a YouTube video was posted that says the hackers, who claim to be part of the group Anonymous have started “an operation toward the Chicago police department and its websites.”
The statement, in part, reads: “Greetings fellow citizens of the world, we are AntiS3curityOPS.” The statement goes on to say, “We are actively engaged in actions against the Chicago Police Department, and encourage anyone to take up the cause and use the AntiS3curityOPS Anonymous banner. For those able, chicagopolice.org should be fired upon as much as possible. We are in your harbor Chicago, and you will not forget us.”
347 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:08:45am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
Sorry, but we're in a hurry
The next reservation are Russian us!
Are they Chechen their watches?
350 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:36am |
re: #349 Gus
We're doomed!
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, 'cause they be occupyin' everythin' up in here!
351 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:41am |
re: #347 darthstar
Are they Chechen their watches?
Their watches broke. They slipped and fell on a Greece spot while carrying their China
352 | jamesfirecat Sun, May 20, 2012 10:10:49am |
re: #347 darthstar
Are they Chechen their watches?
Don't forget to have the waiters re-Polish the silverwear when they're done.
353 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:11:25am |
354 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:12:37am |
re: #350 It's a cookbook!
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, 'cause they be occupyin' everythin' up in here!
Creepin' Sharia Occupyin' is takin' over teh universe! Watch out for them Occupy Butterball™ turkey meat. It's workin' it's way into the American systems!!
//
355 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:04am |
re: #349 Gus
We're doomed!
Yeah
Major cities police dept. computer system gets hacked,, communications disrupted,, no big deal
So what if 911 dispatch software calls get screwed up
PARTY!!!
356 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:22am |
re: #351 sattv4u2
Their watches broke. They slipped and fell on a Greece spot while carrying their China
Did they spill Chile all over their Turkey?
357 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:14:40am |
re: #355 sattv4u2
Yeah
Major cities police dept. computer system gets hacked,, communications disrupted,, no big deal
So what if 911 dispatch software calls get screwed up
PARTY!!!
10 years!
358 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:02am |
re: #355 sattv4u2
Their computer system didn't get hacked, their website did.
This is a website. this is not Charles's computer system. if you hacked LGF, you wouldn't be hacking into Charles' computers.
Do you understand?
359 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:05am |
360 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:18am |
Off to the farmer's market across the street. All this talk about violence at restaurants is making me Hungary.
361 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:45am |
362 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:15:52am |
re: #358 Obdicut
Their computer system didn't get hacked, their website did.
This is a website. this is not Charles's computer system. if you hacked LGF, you wouldn't be hacking into Charles' computers.
Do you understand?
Yes I do
So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step
Do you understand?
363 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:12am |
364 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:30am |
re: #360 darthstar
Off to the farmer's market across the street. All this talk about violence at restaurants is making me Hungary.
You have violins at your restaurant? Must be Romanian.
365 | Mocking Jay Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:46am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
Yes I do
So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step
Do you understand?
Oh brother, we're in Die Hard 4 territory now.
366 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:16:52am |
Today Chicago! Tomorrow the world!!!!
[Runs around screaming.]
This message was brought to you by the John Birch Occupyin' Society.
367 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:17:34am |
re: #365 It's a cookbook!
Oh brother, we're in Die Hard 4 territory now.
Run for safety before it's too late!
368 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:17:34am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
Yes I do
So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step
Do you understand?
A firewall.
369 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:26am |
re: #362 sattv4u2
Yes I do
So whats to stop one of them from taking the next step
It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems, than it is to hack a website. A website is customer-facing, it has to interact with the outside world a lot. There's lots of ways to attack it.
People keep saying dumb shit like "They hacked the stock exchange!" No, they didn't. They hacked the website for the stock exchange. The actual network of the stock exchange was never touched.
It's the difference between spray-painting the outside of a building and breaking into it and taking out all the contents.
370 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:33am |
Ah, nevermind
Most likely just some "yutes" out of school early looking for some summer highjinks!
371 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:47am |
Birth of the anti-Occupy movement right here in this beyatch.
372 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:18:54am |
re: #361 Decatur Deb
No'way I'm keeping up with this.
Yes you Cancun...you just need to Belize in yourself.
373 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 10:19:49am |
re: #371 Kronocide
Birth of the anti-Occupy movement right here in this beyatch.
Don't say 'beyatch'...the dogs get excited and I just brought them back from swimming at the beyatch a few minutes ago.
374 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:07am |
re: #317 Killgore Trout
The original 3 are long time OWS protesters, were in town for the occupy protests and assembling bombs and making plans in an apartment housing occupy protesters. Stop making excuses. Is pointless at this stage, even the MSM is noticing.
"occupy terrorist"
Two can play this ridiculous game
tea party terrorist
Does anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?
Stop it.
375 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:18am |
re: #373 darthstar
Don't say 'beyatch'...the dogs get excited and I just brought them back from swimming at the beyatch a few minutes ago.
Squirrel!
377 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:32am |
re: #369 Obdicut
And yet they have done exactly that elsewhere... I'm not going to link to the tutorial on how to do that which took about two seconds.
378 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:44am |
re: #368 Kronocide
A firewall.
Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
379 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:20:59am |
City Of Chicago Website Target Of Cyber Attack?
A press liaison for Occupy Chicago praised the apparent hack in a tweet:
Rachael P @plussone
We
380 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:21:20am |
re: #377 Daniel Ballard
And yet they have done exactly that elsewhere... I'm not going to link to the tutorial on how to do that which took about two seconds.
Done exactly what?
381 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:21:32am |
re: #374 blueraven
Two can play this ridiculous game
tea party terroristDoes anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?
Stop it.
No, no one believes that, but when the Tea Party people go off the rails, the Tea Party usually comes in for some share of blame, even if it's only for being the kind of thing an asshole like the perp would have been into.
383 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:12am |
re: #369 Obdicut
It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems
"much, much, much" does not equal impossible
Maybe if you put three more "much"s in!!
384 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:38am |
re: #374 blueraven
Two can play this ridiculous game
tea party terroristDoes anyone believe the tea party are all terrorist?
Stop it.
I don't see any of those articles relating to Tea Party affiliated terrorism.
385 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:22:57am |
re: #379 Killgore Trout
We
She's really got a way with words.
The various Occupies have now, I think, pretty fully transformed into the fringiest of the fringe, which is what I thought would happen.
What is silly is to pretend that's what they were from the start, or that the people in Occupy now are all the same people as were there from the beginning.
386 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:23:35am |
re: #385 Obdicut
She's really got a way with words.
The various Occupies have now, I think, pretty fully transformed into the fringiest of the fringe, which is what I thought would happen.
What is silly is to pretend that's what they were from the start, or that the people in Occupy now are all the same people as were there from the beginning.
Took me about 2 hours to read it.
//
387 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:23:46am |
re: #383 sattv4u2
It's much, much, much harder to hack into those systems
"much, much, much" does not equal impossible
Maybe if you put three more "much"s in!!
You asked what's to stop them. I answered-- the very large degree of difficulty. That should be reassuring to you.
388 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:09am |
re: #380 Obdicut
Penetrated security and hacked servers. I do not underestimate the abilities of Anon hackers. And now I have utterly free ID protection courtesy of Anthem Medical when my information along with thousands of others was obtained from their data servers. Not the web site the data center.
389 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:32am |
re: #387 Obdicut
You asked what's to stop them. I answered-- the very large degree of difficulty. That should be reassuring to you.
I'm wondering how reassuring it is to the Chicago PD
390 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:24:37am |
re: #375 Gus
Squirrel!
Yeah, if beyatch gets the dogs worked up, Squirrel! will make them explode in a furry blur.
391 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:25:51am |
re: #389 sattv4u2
Not at all if they are smart. Underestimating hacker skill or overestimating your firewall etc. is a recipe to get hit.
[Link: www.google.com...]
392 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 10:25:54am |
re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist
No, no one believes that, but when the Tea Party people go off the rails, the Tea Party usually comes in for some share of blame, even if it's only for being the kind of thing an asshole like the perp would have been into.
That's fine, but to refer to them as Occupy terrorists or Tea Party terrorists is just wrong.
There are extremes that find their way into legitimate political movements. KT has been trying to paint Occupy as terrorists for a long time now.
393 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:26:41am |
re: #389 sattv4u2
I'm wondering how reassuring it is to the Chicago PD
Probably decently reassuring. Most of these guys do not have the capacity or the balls to carry out truly damaging hack attacks.
Of course, the same can be said for Illinois Nazis and the like. It doesn't make me think any better of them.
394 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:08am |
re: #390 Kronocide
Yeah, if beyatch gets the dogs worked up, Squirrel! will make them explode in a furry blur.
Interesting conversation isn't it?
//
395 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:30am |
re: #384 Killgore Trout
I don't see any of those articles relating to Tea Party affiliated terrorism.
I used the same lame tactic as you did KT. Deal with it.
396 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:27:33am |
re: #388 Daniel Ballard
Penetrated security and hacked servers. .
Um, I hope you didn't think i was saying that hacking servers is impossible, or very hard.
I do not underestimate the abilities of Anon hackers.
There's nothing special about Anon hackers vs. hackers who don't say they're part of Anon. Especially since there's nothing to being part of Anon other than claiming it.
And now I have utterly free ID protection courtesy of Anthem Medical when my information along with thousands of others was obtained from their data servers. Not the web site the data center
Yeah, i'm talking about the difficult of hacking into things like the 911 call center's software system, not stealing data. That happens all the time and is going to continue to happen all the time. Security or large amounts of personal data is impossible; if nothing else, human failure will always occur.
397 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:28:55am |
re: #378 sattv4u2
Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
Bad example. They didn't get into/through a firewall.
Not to mention those are public sites created for customers to utilize.
398 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:29:33am |
re: #396 Obdicut
And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.
399 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:29:49am |
BBL
MAJOR crisis here at home
Got up and there was only enough coffee beans in the house to make about 2/3rds a pot
2/3 RDS
ON MY DAY OFF!!!! ,,,,,,
GGGAAAHHHHH
400 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:30:12am |
re: #378 sattv4u2
Wonder if MasterCard, PayPal, et al had one?
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
They did. And it worked.
401 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:30:42am |
re: #396 Obdicut
I did get the impression you were saying it's very hard with the implication it just will not happen in Chicago.
402 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:31:35am |
re: #398 Daniel Ballard
And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.
Thanks
Chicago is drawing a large amount of interest from the "usual suspects" anarchists
One "motivated' one that wants to do more, make his mark, than just leaving a nasty gram on the cities web site is all it takes
403 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:32:50am |
re: #398 Daniel Ballard
And so Sat has a legit point.
No, he doesn't.
Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks.
It's not about self-limiting. It's about how hard it is to do. It's very, very hard to get into dedicated systems and proprietary stuff. you generally have to know it very well already, otherwise you have no clue what it is you're even doing in there.
The number of people that could crack into something like, the stock exchange, or a banking system, and actually do anything-- like transfer money from an account-- is incredibly small.
Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.
How capable? Attacking a website is script kiddie shit. How do you know that they're very capable hackers?
406 | sattv4u2 Sun, May 20, 2012 10:34:16am |
re: #405 Kronocide
What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?
fast running kittens,, OR ,, slow running hackers!
407 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:03am |
The reason the story about the attack on the water system stuff was at all credible-- and it wound up being presumably bogus-- was because it's a GUI interface. It's, again, customer-facing. Most systems aren't like that, they're not going to have a handy-dandy internet-enabled remotely-accessible GUI built, and if they are, you've already fucked up.
408 | jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:14am |
re: #405 Kronocide
The PreCrime unit is on it.
Image: precogs-minority-report.jpg
409 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:17am |
re: #405 Kronocide
What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?
Wenn die Polizei von Chicago und das Federal Bureau of Investigation nicht steuern die Linke Anarchisten und schwarzen Block terrrorists ziemlich bald alle Kätzchen sterben! Bald werden die Kommunisten übernimmt das Vaterland!
//
410 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:35:33am |
re: #405 Kronocide
What's to stop this hackers from murdering kittens?
What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?
411 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 10:36:13am |
re: #410 Obdicut
What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?
Beware the Mooslamic Occupy Raygunz!!
412 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 10:37:41am |
413 | jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 10:38:26am |
Wonkette:
...here is where we get all concern troll and disagree with most of our Occupy NATO protester pals about dudes arrested for either bomb-making equipment or “brewing” equipment: we don’t care if the cops coaxed them into it. MAYBE DON’T BOMB RAHM EMANUEL, OR ANYONE ELSE. YOU ARE NOT EMMA GOLDMAN, the end.
414 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:39:06am |
re: #398 Daniel Ballard
And so Sat has a legit point. Those guys may or may not self limit to web site hacks. Anon or not. And this Chicago deal seems to be a strong focus for these activists. Some of which are very capable hackers.
Satt's point was to sarcastically imply that nobody cares if these hackers get into majorly important computer systems.
My point (and Obdi's) was that it's much harder to hack into critical systems than a public side website.
Satt backed up his point with examples of other similarly annoying (but otherwise harmless) hacks. Which didn't back up his point at all, it pretty much made mine.
The hackers would probably cause more havoc if they could.
415 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:40:34am |
re: #404 Gus
Yawn.
Your completely blind support of all things OWS is duly noted for the record of all time forevers department of never forgets.
416 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:42:37am |
re: #410 Obdicut
What's to stop hackers from launching all the nuclear weapons in the world at a small, defenseless squirrel?
Dude, I thought up Bandname/Nuclear Kittens years ago. Don't one up me with Nuclear Squirrel.
417 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:43:58am |
re: #403 Obdicut
I'm not going to get into a subjective argument about what they can or can not do. They have hacked servers before not just web sites. I'll not assume Monsanto was negligent in their firewalls, so I'll not assume some invincibility at Chicago PD or city web servers. Or Alabama.
Or Apple.
Sat had a legit point. I hope nothing like that happens but as far as I'm concerned after a quick review of actual incidents... It could.
418 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:44:16am |
re: #392 blueraven
That's fine, but to refer to them as Occupy terrorists or Tea Party terrorists is just wrong.
There are extremes that find their way into legitimate political movements. KT has been trying to paint Occupy as terrorists for a long time now.
Yes, KT does not like the Tea Party. (And the concern about his concern is through the roof, not to mention my concern about the concern about his concern.) But certain portions of these discussions were reversed in the case of, say, the guy who shot his wife in Long Beach and was connected to the Tea Party.
419 | AK-47% Sun, May 20, 2012 10:44:23am |
re: #416 Kronocide
Dude, I thought up Bandname/Nuclear Kittens years ago. Don't one up me with Nuclear Squirrel.
Nuclear Moose and Squirrel.
420 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:47:08am |
re: #414 Kronocide
I found better links, real data server attacks. In and amongst the nuclear kitten thing. ;-)
421 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:48:45am |
re: #417 Daniel Ballard
All the hacks you listed are of customer-facing web servers, databases, or mail clients. That doesn't take a lot of hacking skill, nor does it have the same effect that hacking the 911 network would.
And every company I've ever worked at has been incredibly lax about network security. it's basically a lost cause: get your network all nice and secured, and some idiot VP sticks a flashdrive that someone gave him into the computer, and boom, all that network security is useless. That's why dedicated systems doing really important shit are generally isolated from the common computing network and are not customer-facing.
Hey, you know what's really easy to 'hack'? Road signs!
422 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 10:50:58am |
re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, KT does not like the Tea Party. (And the concern about his concern is through the roof, not to mention my concern about the concern about his concern.) But certain portions of these discussions were reversed in the case of, say, the guy who shot his wife in Long Beach and was connected to the Tea Party.
I don't mind at all saying someone is connected to a group if it is done honestly.
My issue is with his tactics.
And yes, I agree it happens the other way around also. But I haven't seen such a sustained relentless effort by anyone to paint the tea party as terrorist.
I don't like it either way.
423 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, May 20, 2012 10:51:09am |
One of my Facebook friends may be going to the great anti-Internet asifa at Citifield.
We've told him we want pictures.
424 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:51:11am |
re: #420 Daniel Ballard
Maybe you're not undrestanding what I'm saying.
There are indelibly insecure things: Webservers, databases, mail clients. Anything that is customer-facing, that is used to people connecting from the 'outside' in order to access data, is inherently unsecure. It can be secured to a certain point, but they are all, always crackable, and it's not incredibly challenging to do so in most cases.
Networks that handle actually critical shit, like traffic lights, radar, weather monitoring, 911 routing calls, etc. are generally on independent networks that are not at all customer-facing, and therefore are really, really hard to intrude upon.
425 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:55:37am |
re: #420 Daniel Ballard
I found better links, real data server attacks. In and amongst the nuclear kitten thing. ;-)
"In addition, this group also recently published publicly available information on approximately 2,500 individuals involved in the broader global agriculture industry."
Earlier this week, Anonymous posted online 90,000 military email addresses and passwords obtained from military consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton, which Tuesday acknowledged the breach. The company said it is "conducting a full review of the nature and extent of the attack. At this time, we do not believe that the attack extended beyond data pertaining to a learning management system for a government agency."
Satt's point was ladled with sarcasm about nobody caring about these dangerous hackers who might do much worse. That's not a good point to make.
As for the rest of the argument this isn't about semantics. It's about specifics. My networking/technology skills are on the residential side but what I do know is that these hacktivists are creating mischief and annoyance but are not otherwise creating real threats. I don't deny that they could create real havoc, but the examples provided are not real havoc, it's more along the lines of annoyance and graffiti.
They are not breaching firewalls of public agencies. This is an important distinction. Either they have tried and they can't, or they know if they do a world of hurt will come down on them for it.
426 | Daniel Ballard Sun, May 20, 2012 10:56:19am |
re: #424 Obdicut
Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server. Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.
Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.
427 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 10:58:47am |
re: #426 Daniel Ballard
Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.
I did not notice the concern in Satt's point. Still don't see it. His point was that nobody cares.
428 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 10:59:09am |
re: #426 Daniel Ballard
Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server.
I don't know what you mean by 'data server' in that case.
Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.
Right. So, there's a limit to how much we should be shitting the bed worrying about hackers.
Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.
But I didn't say we don't have to have any concern. What I said is that when idiots vandalize a web server, worrying about those same assholes penetrating a secure network like the stock exchange or 911 call centers is silly, because it's like worrying that someone who spray-painted your car is going to come in at night and crack your gun-case.
433 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 11:06:07am |
re: #429 Gus
Slow news day.
Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives
Prosecutors say an activist charged with terrorism allegedly said he could blow up a bridge in downtown Chicago.
Prosecutors in Cook County have charged two more people as part of their investigation into activists who planned to demonstrate at the 2-day NATO summit. On Sunday prosecutors told a judge 24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn ah KEHV' ich) bragged about having explosives, but searches didn't uncover any. Prosecutors say he also bragged about keeping explosives in a hollowed-out Harry Potter book.
Prosecutors say 28-year-old Mark Neiweem wanted to build a pipe bomb and wrote a list of needed ingredients
Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/
434 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:06:59am |
My favorite dick joke:
She said Give me 10 inches and make it hurt.
So I screwed her twice and punched her in the mouth.
435 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:07:42am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives
Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/
Pretty much.
(_|_)
436 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:09am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
A guy claiming to have explosives and not having them?
437 | CuriousLurker Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:31am |
re: #426 Daniel Ballard
Geez I get all that. "Some idiot VP with a flash drive." As if that very same thing could not happen at a PD or city municipal data server. Yes critical systems are harder to hack. And yes as you said many systems are generally not attached to the net.
Our difference comes down to this. I do not subscribe to "it's so hard we need not have any concern" so strongly as to dismiss Sat's point.
If I can jump in for a sec, I don't really think it's a case of "it's so hard we need not have any concern". Okay, let's be concerned. Then what? The vast majority of us can't do anything but worry about it, which doesn't help. There are network engineers out there who specialize in security. They're on it—all day, every day.
If you we want to be concerned, then it should start with education and trying to get college kids interested in network security careers. There aren't a lot of truly excellent, experienced network security specialists out there who can handle securing massive networks*, and the ones that are out there are severely overworked & under-appreciated. We need more of them, and the need will only continue to grow.
*I've seen diagrams of existing huge networks. They're terrifying in their complexity.
438 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:32am |
re: #433 Killgore Trout
Prosecutors: Activist bragged about explosives
Yeah, that's pretty unimportant.
/
Mr Overimportant takes issue with alleged Unimportance.
This is obviously important.
439 | jaunte Sun, May 20, 2012 11:08:33am |
24-year-old Sebastian Senakiewicz (sehn ah KEHV' ich) bragged about having explosives, but searches didn't uncover any
Channeling Saddam?
440 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:27am |
re: #438 Kronocide
Mr Overimportant takes issue with alleged Unimportance.
This is obviously important.
Pretty much. :)
441 | RadicalModerate Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:50am |
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it appears that the main FoxNews website has shut down commenting on articles completely. The FoxNation and FoxBusiness subdomains still appear to allow comments, but the "mothership" site no longer has a "comment" button even attached to the articles hosted.
442 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:09:59am |
re: #439 jaunte
Channeling Saddam?
I heard they found some yellow cake at one of the OWS encampments.
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443 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:11:32am |
re: #442 Gus
I heard they found some yellow cake at one of the OWS encampments.
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That was hummus with weed butter. Very important!
444 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 11:13:04am |
12:38 p.m. — Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy says an officer suffered a concussion after a protester punched him through the window of a van Saturday night. He says the officer's blood pressure also spiked briefly after the incident, which included protesters slicing the van's tires.
445 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 11:15:15am |
re: #436 Obdicut
A guy claiming to have explosives and not having them?
He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.
447 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:17:10am |
Lusting Mitt.
448 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 11:17:27am |
re: #445 Killgore Trout
He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.
He sounds like a real asshole. But not a very important one, though i'm sure he'd love to think so.
449 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:18:13am |
450 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:18:38am |
From the "about fucking time" files...the Lockerbie bomber has died.
[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]
451 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:19:01am |
re: #437 CuriousLurker
Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.
452 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 11:19:42am |
re: #445 Killgore Trout
He was trying to acquire the materials to make a bomb. the charge is Attempted Possession of Explosive device.
You can get everything you need at Walmart, without ID.
453 | CuriousLurker Sun, May 20, 2012 11:21:23am |
re: #451 Kronocide
Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.
Yeah, anything science related is borderline satanic. Ugh.
454 | Obdicut Sun, May 20, 2012 11:21:32am |
re: #452 Decatur Deb
You can get everything you need at Walmart, without ID.
Ampho is still terrifying in its simplicity.
455 | PhillyPretzel Sun, May 20, 2012 11:23:27am |
re: #453 CuriousLurker
Yeah, anything science related is borderline satanic. Then what do they consider solar energy? Idol worship?
456 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:25:29am |
re: #451 Kronocide
Can't send kids to college for computer related degrees, too many liberal teachers. Home schooling is the answer.
Better to just arrest all of them and send them into the judicial system. It's the best one in the world. Try any of this in Saudi Arabia and see what happens!!11ty
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458 | Lidane Sun, May 20, 2012 11:29:39am |
Haha:
Hey kids, are you a big fan of the game Battleship? Go see The Avengers again.
— The Batman (@God_Damn_Batman) May 19, 2012
459 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:34:46am |
I disapprove of your lack of Concern and Outrage as these serious Occupiers and Hackers. To Patriot class and Football Game.
460 | darthstar Sun, May 20, 2012 11:36:17am |
Uh oh...there goes the rubber-bull throwing demographic.
CNBC's Jim Cramer On Meet The Press: 'Romney Is Known As A Job Destroyer, Not A Creator' (VIDEO) mediaite.com/a/ttfai— Mediaite (@mediaite) May 20, 2012
461 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 11:37:41am |
1:15 p.m. — A large banner on stage at the Petrillo Music Shell links Obama to Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and George W. Bush, as well as Vietnam. Two protesters held a sign on Jackson Street that says, "Obama wants his own tril $ war in 2013." Another protester sported a shirt that said, "Impeach Bush and Obama." - NM
Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]
462 | Kronocide Sun, May 20, 2012 11:38:34am |
Treacher has called me a Birther on Twitter about 20 times.
He's got me right where he wants me... LOL.
463 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:53:05am |
re: #462 Kronocide
Treacher has called me a Birther on Twitter about 20 times.
He's got me right where he wants me... LOL.
@Lizardoid "We are re-taking the word 'birther' which is a word that was co-opted by the vast left wing conspiracy!!11ty" #BreitBirther— Gus (@Gus_802) May 20, 2012
464 | Gus Sun, May 20, 2012 11:55:50am |
Wingnuts: call out their racism, get called a racist. I was joking about this a couple of weeks ago. They really are that simple.
465 | sagehen Sun, May 20, 2012 11:59:58am |
re: #5 Dark_Falcon
In the modern world, a rich man needs to protecting his property when marrying. So there's nothing wrong with him timing things as he did. Facebook is his company, and he earned the money.
I bet she owns a piece of it too... they've been together since before he started the company, she must have invested or done some work or done *something* that earned her at least as big a piece as the guy who painted their offices (1/4 of 1%).
466 | Killgore Trout Sun, May 20, 2012 12:00:25pm |
OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ
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Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]
467 | sagehen Sun, May 20, 2012 12:02:01pm |
re: #441 RadicalModerate
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it appears that the main FoxNews website has shut down commenting on articles completely. The FoxNation and FoxBusiness subdomains still appear to allow comments, but the "mothership" site no longer has a "comment" button even attached to the articles hosted.
A wise decision.
468 | blueraven Sun, May 20, 2012 12:09:42pm |
re: #466 Killgore Trout
OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ___
Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]
Your link is bad
But do you think he might just be referring to people dressed in black clothing? Why should he be more concerned about the anarchist getting water? And once again there is no mention of OWS.
469 | Decatur Deb Sun, May 20, 2012 12:30:42pm |
re: #466 Killgore Trout
OWS Organizer concerned about the welfare of the anarchists
1:44 p.m. — An organizer of the main protest march is urging people in the crowd to get water, as the temperature neared 90 degrees. "Make sure you are well hydrated before we march against NATO. Especially our friends in black," Thayer said. -CKJ___
Source: [Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]
Nuns.
[Link: gothamist.com...]
470 | b_sharp Sun, May 20, 2012 12:36:27pm |
re: #468 blueraven
Your link is bad
But do you think he might just be referring to people dressed in black clothing? Why should he be more concerned about the anarchist getting water? And once again there is no mention of OWS.
All protest marches have become OWS.
All protesters have become anarchists.