Seth Meyers: Trump and His Cronies Have a Plan - to Protect Themselves, Not You, Silly

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Seth takes a closer look at the Trump administration testing themselves, but not you, for COVID-19.

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austin_blue  May 7, 2020 • 9:37:28pm

CL’d:

re: #214 Backwoods_Sleuth

“over enthusiastic gardening”

pretty sure I don’t want to know details.

Pro-tip:

Never, EVER, question the lengths an Englishman will go to improve their garden. If that old tree trunk needs to come out and all you’ve got is a shooter shovel, dammit! it’s coming out! And if you rip out a glute trying to do it, by God you’ve given your best!

Really, the English are not like us when it comes to horticulture. They are fanatics. Truly.

Hilarious, but I can easily see my brother-in-law doing this in Bedfordshire, then saying “I’ll be fine, not to worry, just a bit of bother. Give me a week and I’ll get that bastard out of the ground.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  May 7, 2020 • 9:39:21pm

Apparently it’s ‘Poplar fluff’, not pollen

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2020 • 9:50:51pm
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jaunte  May 7, 2020 • 9:53:18pm
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EPR-radar  May 7, 2020 • 9:55:01pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s encouraging to see both-siderist pap from the media about lack of accountability for Republicans six months before the election where (hopefully) Trump and the Republicans will get their asses royally kicked.

They only do this when it looks like their precious Republican party is going to lose.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 7, 2020 • 10:16:16pm

Feeling like yelling a lot

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KGxvi  May 7, 2020 • 10:28:03pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

In a rational world, you don’t have to be partisan to recognize what a fucking mess this maladministration caused

I’m still of the mind that when trump loses, you won’t be able to find any republican who voted for him in 2016 or 2020. He’s going to get memory holed

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 7, 2020 • 10:29:52pm

re: #5 EPR-radar

I think it’s encouraging to see both-siderist pap from the media about lack of accountability for Republicans six months before the election where (hopefully) Trump and the Republicans will get their asses royally kicked.

They only do this when it looks like their precious Republican party is going to lose.

That used to be my fear. They will go on all the talk shows “now is not the time to blame, now is the time to forgive and forget.. and rebuild America.” Meanwhile, these same assholes are still bitching about Hillary… Fuck them. We need to investigate all the crimes or we will never heal.

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EPR-radar  May 7, 2020 • 10:34:55pm

re: #7 KGxvi

In a rational world, you don’t have to be partisan to recognize what a fucking mess this maladministration caused

I’m still of the mind that when trump loses, you won’t be able to find any republican who voted for him in 2016 or 2020. He’s going to get memory holed

I don’t think it will be that simple, since Trump is a creature of the GOP base in a way that W Bush never was.

The GOP donor class would like to memory hole Trump, since they see their political hirelings as easily replaced tools, but for the base Trump is the motherfucking Pig of Destiny that has fully occupied the pigsty of racism, corruption and rampant stupidity the GOP has created for itself since the 1960s.

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Dread Pirate  May 7, 2020 • 10:36:26pm
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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 7, 2020 • 10:52:36pm

re: #8 I Would Prefer Not To

That used to be my fear. They will go on all the talk shows “now is not the time to blame, now is the time to forgive and forget.. and rebuild America.” Meanwhile, these same assholes are still bitching about Hillary… Fuck them. We need to investigate all the crimes or we will never heal.

To many democrats are aware of the damage down by McConnell in addition to that done by Trump. So removing the one won’t be enough.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2020 • 10:55:28pm

re: #10 Dread Pirate

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Some years ago, my bud Harvey and I almost hit a dump truck that pulled onto the runway in front of us as we were on final at Town and Country Airport in Lubbock. There was some kind of dirt work going on just to the right of the runway. I saw the truck turn and head toward the runway, then stop. When we were too low to safely turn away, the dumb fuck suddenly pulled right onto the runway. I thought oh shit, we’re going to hit him. We were in a Grumman Lynx, a small plane with a low wing and fixed landing gear. I was hoping we could catch it with just the gear and just possibly make a belly landing farther down the runway. Harv hit the throttle and our sink rate slowed just enough for us to miss the truck. I braced myself for the impact of the wheels hitting the truck. The wheels would have hit right on the driver’s cab. We must have missed it by inches. The sudden increase in engine noise no doubt got the driver’s attention, and scared him shitless, to say nothing of an airborne plane swooping by inches away. I hoped it did anyway. We reported it to the FAA and the airport manager. I never did find out the result. I could just imagine the headline: “3 dead in plane-dump truck collision.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2020 • 11:07:15pm

In Vietnam, vehicles, people, dogs, monkeys and water buffalo would wander heedlessly around the aircraft operating areas. The noise of a chopper could usually scare them off, so it was not a real risk to us, but the fixed wing troops were not so lucky and runway collisions did happen.

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austin_blue  May 7, 2020 • 11:12:57pm

So, we had the Department of Justice turn into the Department of Just Us today.

The Executive Branch has decided to blame all of their failures in responding to Covid19 crisis on the Chinese.

They also plan to blame Obama and Biden for their incompetence.

When a new variant of the H1N1 virus hit us in 2009 (not a Novel Corona Virus, like this one, a variant of the 1918 virus which almost no one had old anti-bodies to fight) we instituted a carefully planned response which limited the death count in the US to (best guess) 12,469 deaths (cdc.gov).

In the last three days, we have had 6,017 deaths in the US. In the last month, we have had around 61,000 deaths.

Right now, our death total is pretty much linear.

worldometers.info

But “opening the country” is a huge gamble.

And it’s a gamble that politicians want to risk with other peoples’ lives.

My wife and I will not be going to movie theaters, restaurants, or any other businesses except for grocery stores where we need to buy food for the foreseeable future.

And you shouldn’t either.

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Dread Pirate  May 7, 2020 • 11:13:47pm

Everything we learn about this virus is bad news.

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uriel  May 7, 2020 • 11:14:18pm

re: #4 jaunte

This is officially my favorite thing ever.

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austin_blue  May 7, 2020 • 11:25:42pm

re: #10 Dread Pirate

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Well fuck. How did this idiot get access to a runway at an International Airport?

kvue.com

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austin_blue  May 7, 2020 • 11:29:24pm

Too weird tonight.

Night all, good luck with your dreams. I’m just hoping not to wake up screaming.

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Dread Pirate  May 7, 2020 • 11:34:44pm

because, of course.

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ericblair  May 8, 2020 • 12:34:09am

re: #11 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

To many democrats are aware of the damage down by McConnell in addition to that done by Trump. So removing the one won’t be enough.

There are too many of us who have been too angry for too long to sweep this under the carpet, but I will be calling my Dem congresscritter and senators after the election that I expect blood.

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Dave In Austin  May 8, 2020 • 12:47:22am

The Code Talkers - Body in the Lake

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Targetpractice  May 8, 2020 • 12:50:58am

Signs that you are bored out of your skull: Find yourself on Youtube, watching a channel that does reviews of old military rations.

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Dave In Austin  May 8, 2020 • 12:51:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2020 • 2:45:16am

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Apparently it’s ‘Poplar fluff’, not pollen

Join the Poplar Front!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 8, 2020 • 3:18:43am

Mary Lou Williams and the Trumpet Giants ( Full Album )

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ericblair  May 8, 2020 • 3:37:58am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 8, 2020 • 3:54:37am

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

When this pandemic is over, let’s avoid the partisan blame game, Mitch Daniels writes wapo.st

There’s a comment at that WaPo piece by Mitch Daniels that’s really good. I felt the need to share.

Where shall we start? Making fun of a handicapped journalist? Grabbing female parts? Asking Putin for help on video?

I blame you for abandoning what conservatives used to think our government and way of life meant by backing this horrible man.

I blame you for refusing to actually hold an impeachment trial.

I blame you for letting Mitch withhold a vote for Obama’s SCOTUS nomination because there was “only” a year and a half left of the 4 years the American voters awarded him.

I blame you for trying to scuttle, hamstring and end ACA without a single serious conversation of what might replace it.

I blame you for not even blinking when he told state governors they were on their own for PPEs and other medical supplies and then you allowed Kushner to seize them when they do.

I blame you for hearing him say clearly that only governors who begged and flattered him would get help.

I blame you for allowing him to whip up a white nationalist, anti government civil war from cold to hot over the last four years.

If he manages to perform a full on coup and not allow or honor a real election in November I will blame you all for that.

Mostly I blame you for non scientific, self serving swill like this “herd immunity” in Sweden nonsense. I blame you for pretending that our economy will magically heal itself when people are still afraid for their jobs and their health, there are roving shortages of common supplies and foods, hospitals and morgues are over run, workers are infecting each other on the job site and getting nothing but blame from your kind; for pretending all of this is fine as long as you can just push everyone off of unemployment and food stamps as quickly as possible while you bail out big business and give tax cuts to the rich and those who are still employed and healthy for now can go to the damn beach and get a hair cut.

You are all vile excuses for human beings without a shred of ethic or real morality and I spit on you.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 4:08:32am

re: #26 ericblair

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This shithead.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 8, 2020 • 4:16:00am

re: #10 Dread Pirate

Police and federal aviation officials are investigating the death Thursday night of a person who was on a runway at an Austin, Texas, airport as a Southwest jet landed trib.al

How many flights are happening now daily?

For some naive reason, I thought none were happening, and then I remembered the masks on flights thing and I’m like WHY ARE YOU FLYING? I realize that there are pandemic related reasons to fly (med people helping out in other places, etc.) but other than that, why?

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Amory Blaine  May 8, 2020 • 4:32:07am

re: #15 Dread Pirate

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Everything we learn about this virus is bad news.

The penis is evil.

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Teukka  May 8, 2020 • 4:32:35am

So this crossed my social feeds:

Taste from the contents

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Shropshire Slasher  May 8, 2020 • 4:33:16am

re: #29 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

How many flights are happening now daily?

For some naive reason, I thought none were happening, and then I remembered the masks on flights thing and I’m like WHY ARE YOU FLYING? I realize that there are pandemic related reasons to fly (med people helping out in other places, etc.) but other than that, why?

When I read that I thought a stowaway fell out of the landing gear.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 4:36:20am

re: #31 Teukka

So this crossed my social feeds:

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I don’t get too vocal on my TL but I had to call out that video and CT mindsets. Was touched to see family and friends that I’ve known for many years agree. I’m sick of this stupidity.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 4:40:39am
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Shropshire Slasher  May 8, 2020 • 4:42:34am

re: #31 Teukka

Russian trolls have been working overtime with the Covid-19 pandemic.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 8, 2020 • 4:47:23am

re: #31 Teukka

So this crossed my social feeds:

The first example isn’t contradictory. Force people to go to work to get them off unemployment. When they die some other poorer person will take the job until they die because we’re all expendable.

I get what they’re saying and doing (whick is righteous) but this isn’t wrong. A couple of others are a little “off” from what I’ve seen. Close but off. Off enough that what they’ve said was wrong but what had been said was right.

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jeffreyw  May 8, 2020 • 4:55:20am

Good morning!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 8, 2020 • 4:56:43am

Starting today, San Diego county is allowing retailers from florists to furniture stores to partially re-open, with curb-side service allowed.

I don’t know what curbside service means for a furniture store, but heh, if one can do it then I guess it’ll be a winner.

Same with jewelers. I can’t conceive of curb-side sales of jewelry, unless we’re talking about those guys with fake watches hanging inside of their trench coats.

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Teukka  May 8, 2020 • 5:00:38am

re: #33 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I don’t get too vocal on my TL but I had to call out that video and CT mindsets. Was touched to see family and friends that I’ve known for many years agree. I’m sick of this stupidity.

I’m sick of it too, because not only does it slow a meaningful response to the crisis, it also puts people at risk.

re: #35 Shropshire Slasher

Russian trolls have been working overtime with the Covid-19 pandemic.

Indeed they are. I both fear and hope that their conspiracy theory manufacturing backfires badly on them.

re: #36 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

The first example isn’t contradictory. Force people to go to work to get them off unemployment. When they die some other poorer person will take the job until they die because we’re all expendable.

I get what they’re saying and doing (whick is righteous) but this isn’t wrong. A couple of others are a little “off” from what I’ve seen. Close but off. Off enough that what they’ve said was wrong but what had been said was right.

I think it may be that they’ve tried to use examples which mimic the initial belieivability of some conspiracy theories, which often is what sucks people into the wabbit hole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:03:43am

blech

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:04:27am
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Teukka  May 8, 2020 • 5:07:11am

re: #39 Teukka

Addendum: The same authors have a conspiracy theory handbook:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:12:08am

re: #39 Teukka

I’m sick of it too, because not only does it slow a meaningful response to the crisis, it also puts people at risk.

Indeed they are. I both fear and hope that their conspiracy theory manufacturing backfires badly on them.

I think it may be that they’ve tried to use examples which mimic the initial belieivability of some conspiracy theories, which often is what sucks people into the wabbit hole.

Yeah it puts people at risk. It’s dangerous.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:12:43am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:13:00am

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

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Dirtiest President ever says what.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:14:15am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He lied to the FBI. But he’s the real victim here. Sigh. Fucking Barr needs to be called out by the judge big time here for his repeated mockery of justice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:16:35am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:18:32am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He simply does not care about Covid because he’s going to get the best health care possible. I hope he gets it and I hope it’s painful as possible for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:20:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:23:19am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:23:41am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Always a whining victim. Everything about his 2016 campaign was projectile bullshit fueled by resentment.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  May 8, 2020 • 5:23:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2020 • 5:29:12am

This is so appalling:

‘What are we doing this for?’: Doctors are fed up with conspiracies ravaging ERs

At the end of another long shift treating coronavirus patients, Dr. Hadi Halazun opened his Facebook page to find a man insisting to him that “no one’s dying” and that the coronavirus is “fake news” drummed up by the news media.

Hadi tried to engage and explain his firsthand experience with the virus. In reply, another user insinuated that he wasn’t a real doctor, saying pictures from his profile showing him at concerts and music festivals proved it.

“I told them: ‘I am a real doctor. There are 200 people in my hospital’s ICU,’” said Halazun, a cardiologist in New York. “And they said, ‘Give me your credentials.’ I engaged with them, and they kicked me off their wall.”

“I left work and I felt so deflated. I let it get to me.”

Halazun, like many other health care professionals, is dealing with a bombardment of misinformation and harassment from conspiracy theorists, some of whom have moved beyond posting online to pressing doctors for proof of the severity of the pandemic.

And it’s taking a toll. Halazun said dealing with conspiracy theorists is the “second most painful thing I’ve had to deal with, other than separation of families from their loved one.”

Several other doctors shared similar experiences, saying that they regularly had to treat patients who had sought care too late because of conspiracy theories spread on social media and that social media companies have to do more to counteract the forces that spread lies for profit.

One of the forces in question: THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

And on that note, of course it gets worse:

Dr. Duncan Maru, a physician and epidemiologist in Queens, New York, said he had heard from colleagues that a young patient had come into the emergency room last week with damage to his intestinal tract after having ingested bleach. The incident occurred just days after President Donald Trump suggested that “injection” of disinfectants should be researched as a potential coronavirus treatment.

I highly recommend reading the whole thing and maybe keeping something handy to smash to pieces afterwards.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:32:43am

re: #52 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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I’m rooting for Pete Hegsmith to get it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:33:36am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

This is so appalling:

‘What are we doing this for?’: Doctors are fed up with conspiracies ravaging ERs

At the end of another long shift treating coronavirus patients, Dr. Hadi Halazun opened his Facebook page to find a man insisting to him that “no one’s dying” and that the coronavirus is “fake news” drummed up by the news media.

Hadi tried to engage and explain his firsthand experience with the virus. In reply, another user insinuated that he wasn’t a real doctor, saying pictures from his profile showing him at concerts and music festivals proved it.

“I told them: ‘I am a real doctor. There are 200 people in my hospital’s ICU,’” said Halazun, a cardiologist in New York. “And they said, ‘Give me your credentials.’ I engaged with them, and they kicked me off their wall.”

“I left work and I felt so deflated. I let it get to me.”

Halazun, like many other health care professionals, is dealing with a bombardment of misinformation and harassment from conspiracy theorists, some of whom have moved beyond posting online to pressing doctors for proof of the severity of the pandemic.

And it’s taking a toll. Halazun said dealing with conspiracy theorists is the “second most painful thing I’ve had to deal with, other than separation of families from their loved one.”

Several other doctors shared similar experiences, saying that they regularly had to treat patients who had sought care too late because of conspiracy theories spread on social media and that social media companies have to do more to counteract the forces that spread lies for profit.

One of the forces in question: THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

And on that note, of course it gets worse:

Dr. Duncan Maru, a physician and epidemiologist in Queens, New York, said he had heard from colleagues that a young patient had come into the emergency room last week with damage to his intestinal tract after having ingested bleach. The incident occurred just days after President Donald Trump suggested that “injection” of disinfectants should be researched as a potential coronavirus treatment.

I highly recommend reading the whole thing and maybe keeping something handy to smash to pieces afterwards.

Just saw that. I feel awful for these doctors just trying to do their jobs who have to deal with this shit.

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 5:35:42am

It’s just like the flu. This is anecdotal but these stories are not hard to find. Will take a while to assess the survivors burdened with long term or permanent damage from COVID.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:36:18am

Funny how we don’t hear takes on economic anxiety now. Unemployment is triple what it was when Obama left office. This is on Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:37:41am

sure, Jan…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:38:35am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:38:54am

re: #56 BigPapa

It’s just like the flu. This is anecdotal but these stories are not hard to find. Will take a while to assess the survivors burdened with long term or permanent damage from COVID.

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It’s just not going away. It’s also exposed inequalities that both far left and right miminized.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:39:19am

*THUD*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:39:53am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:39:56am

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sure, Jan…

This is him wishing the virus will disappear by Easter. He needs to be beaten badly in the Fall and then put on trial.

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 5:40:46am

The primary ‘Soft’ frame being pushed is ‘we have to get back to work.’ This narrative doesn’t push conspiracy theories but relies on fallacy and dissonance by focusing only on near term economics. It’s the ‘easy’ narrative to push when you want to push for returning to normal. It’s still insidious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:41:50am

re: #62 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:42:25am
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steve_davis  May 8, 2020 • 5:43:07am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Signs that you are bored out of your skull: Find yourself on Youtube, watching a channel that does reviews of old military rations.

been there. wait until you watch him think about eating some of the meat left in a tin from the Boer War. I think he finally talks himself out of it, but it’s touch and go. Oh god, I got curious and went back and found it. He DOES eat the rancid meat from the Boer War tin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:43:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:44:17am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:44:18am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump knows that if he tries this, Biden will have an ad with Trump’s baseball team number of accusers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 5:44:52am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:45:08am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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No empathy at all but plenty of pity parties for Flynn and himself who are Mandela and Lincoln. I want him in prison.

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ericblair  May 8, 2020 • 5:49:58am

re: #70 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump knows that if he tries this, Biden will have an ad with Trump’s baseball team number of accusers.

I think it’s simpler: he just can’t think of anything but himself because of his narcissism, so sexual assault allegations=false. He simply can’t consider anything tactically anymore because of his decaying mind.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 5:51:50am

re: #73 ericblair

I think it’s simpler: he just can’t think of anything but himself because of his narcissism, so sexual assault allegations=false. He simply can’t consider anything tactically anymore because of his decaying mind.

True but he loved using Bill Clinton’s accusers to attack Clinton.

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ericblair  May 8, 2020 • 5:57:57am

re: #74 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

True but he loved using Bill Clinton’s accusers to attack Clinton.

Yes, he did. But I think he’s a lot worse mentally since then, and seeing how he’s circling the drain now I think there’s a nontrivial chance he’ll be gone one way or another before November.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:01:15am

re: #75 ericblair

Yes, he did. But I think he’s a lot worse mentally since then, and seeing how he’s circling the drain now I think there’s a nontrivial chance he’ll be gone one way or another before November.

I hope so.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 6:08:55am

Fuck Trump, Fuck the GOP, and fuck his enablers in Trumpworld. (Oh, and greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!)

Trump’s conspiracy craziness is up to 11 this morning, precisely because this morning his own government is releasing the official unemployment rate for the past month, and it will be the absolute worst on record. Unemployment rate officially hit 14.7%, which is the worst since the Great Depression. The Trump Collapse is official. And as the Minnesota Fed chair has indicated, the true rate is probably closer to 20% because it’s not capturing all the gig economy jobs that vaporized too.

He destroyed the US economy within 6 weeks. That’s it. It took him six weeks to absolutely and totally fuck the economy over in ways few could have contemplated. His failures to act have reverberated throughout the economy, the health care system and it’ll persist long after Trump leaves.

He’s done more damage in less time than anyone else in our history.

And the recovery wont be immediate, or even complete by the end of the year. That’s just wishful thinking from Trumpists and economists who ignore that once a business goes under, it’s not coming back and those jobs aren’t coming back.

It also doesn’t even begin to take into account the massive disruption to the retail real estate and retail market as brick and mortar sees businesses that were already faltering collapse entirely, and resulting in a huge increase in vacancies, which has a ripple effect that will ultimately also affect the stock market too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 8, 2020 • 6:09:57am

When members of the Trump Death Cult die, other people suffer as well.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 8, 2020 • 6:15:03am

re: #77 lawhawk

Fuck Trump, Fuck the GOP, and fuck his enablers in Trumpworld. (Oh, and greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!)

Trump’s conspiracy craziness is up to 11 this morning, precisely because this morning his own government is releasing the official unemployment rate for the past month, and it will be the absolute worst on record. Unemployment rate officially hit 14.7%, which is the worst since the Great Depression. The Trump Collapse is official. And as the Minnesota Fed chair has indicated, the true rate is probably closer to 20% because it’s not capturing all the gig economy jobs that vaporized too.

He destroyed the US economy within 6 weeks. That’s it. It took him six weeks to absolutely and totally fuck the economy over in ways few could have contemplated. His failures to act have reverberated throughout the economy, the health care system and it’ll persist long after Trump leaves.

He’s done more damage in less time than anyone else in our history.

And the recovery wont be immediate, or even complete by the end of the year. That’s just wishful thinking from Trumpists and economists who ignore that once a business goes under, it’s not coming back and those jobs aren’t coming back.

It also doesn’t even begin to take into account the massive disruption to the retail real estate and retail market as brick and mortar sees businesses that were already faltering collapse entirely, and resulting in a huge increase in vacancies, which has a ripple effect that will ultimately also affect the stock market too.

The economy especially won’t be able to recover quickly because a vaccine probably won’t be ready for mass inoculation until 2022, and that is being optimistic. We are going to go through many waves of infections and death, which will keep economic activity sputtering at a low level.

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Dr Lizardo  May 8, 2020 • 6:16:38am

re: #56 BigPapa

It’s just like the flu. This is anecdotal but these stories are not hard to find. Will take a while to assess the survivors burdened with long term or permanent damage from COVID.

The line about COVID-19 being the “polio of our generation”….I agree entirely. There’s going to be long-term health effects that we’re going to have be prepared to deal with. I can tell my lung capacity has been reduced, though I can’t make a guess as to the percentage. When things settle down here in a month or so, I’ll go visit my doc.

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Dr Lizardo  May 8, 2020 • 6:20:30am

re: #77 lawhawk

Unemployment rate officially hit 14.7%, which is the worst since the Great Depression. The Trump Collapse is official. And as the Minnesota Fed chair has indicated, the true rate is probably closer to 20% because it’s not capturing all the gig economy jobs that vaporized too.

Yeah, those gig economy jobs aren’t being put into the unemployment tally. Those jobs vanished like a fart in a hurricane.

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Jay C  May 8, 2020 • 6:20:39am

re: #70 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump knows that if he tries this, Biden will have an ad with Trump’s baseball team number of accusers.

Yeah, Trump’s response was (quite uncharacteristically) pretty logical: sex-related accusations are probably the last thing he wants to get out into public discussion; though I’m sure Trump’s team will find enough other sewage to pump out into the campaign…

BTW: (vis dKos) an interesting take on the Tara Reade flap from Laura McGann at Vox (a reporter to whom Reade has been flogging her story for a year): The agonizing story of Tara Reade. Though just in my personal analysis, the only real “agonizing” seems to be in Ms. McGann’s reluctance to call bullshit on Tara’s tall tale: RTWT, YMMV (as they say…..)

To me, the core of the “accusation” against former-VP Biden is that, basically, he is a product of a different era with considerably different attitudes towards (what we now recognize and condemn as) “sexual harassment” - and gender-related behavior in general - though by, say, Bob Packwood standards, Joe has been a thorough gentleman, regardless.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:25:10am

re: #82 Jay C

Yeah, Trump’s response was (quite uncharacteristically) pretty logical: sex-related accusations are probably the last thing he wants to get out into public discussion; though I’m sure Trump’s team will find enough other sewage to pump out into the campaign…

BTW: (vis dKos) an interesting take on the Tara Reade flap from Laura McGann at Vox (a reporter to whom Reade has been flogging her story for a year): The agonizing story of Tara Reade. Though just in my personal analysis, the only real “agonizing” seems to be in Ms. McGann’s reluctance to call bullshit on Tara’s tall tale: RTWT, YMMV (as they say…..)

To me, the core of the “accusation” against former-VP Biden is that, basically, he is a product of a different era with considerably different attitudes towards (what we now recognize and condemn as) “sexual harassment” - and gender-related behavior in general - though by, say, Bob Packwood standards, Joe has been a thorough gentleman, regardless.

Agreed.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 6:27:09am
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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 6:27:21am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Sorry if I missed it, but did you get hit with Rona? I think there are 3-4 of us that have.

I do recall many people who have fully recovered had reduced lung capacity for a while after other symptoms ended.

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Decatur Deb  May 8, 2020 • 6:29:54am

US markets open in a minute, expected to be up 1-2%. These are not your friends.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2020 • 6:30:51am

Trump’s best option is now to destroy the US electoral process to the same extent he trashed the economy to secure his re-election. I am not only not ruling out his re-election, I see a stronger chance for it every day that his grip on the legal and regulatory system tightens.

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Dr Lizardo  May 8, 2020 • 6:31:15am

A comment from a friend of mine here about the unemployment numbers in the US (and apparently, they’re catastrophic in Ireland, too)

“Americans are experiencing what happens when the head of state is a businessman who has bends his knee to worship the dollar. And if it weren’t for the pressure of epidemiologists, he would let the workers take a daily bleach enema, just so that the billionaires wouldn’t lose some of that money.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2020 • 6:33:28am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

A comment from a friend of mine here about the unemployment numbers in the US (and apparently, they’re catastrophic in Ireland, too)

“Americans are experiencing what happens when the head of state is a businessman who has bends his knee to worship the dollar. And if it weren’t for the pressure of epidemiologists, he would let the workers take a daily bleach enema, just so that the billionaires wouldn’t lose some of that money.”

The 1% is not about to surrender any of the 40% of America that it owns just to save a few miserable proletarian lives.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 6:33:55am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

US markets open in a minute, expected to be up 1-2%. These are not your friends.

The markets care only about making money and the expectations were met. In any other universe, the markets would collapse on the news that 10% of the jobs in the country vaporized and wont return anytime soon. They see meeting the expectation as a positive result.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:34:09am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

A comment from a friend of mine here about the unemployment numbers in the US (and apparently, they’re catastrophic in Ireland, too)

“Americans are experiencing what happens when the head of state is a businessman who has bends his knee to worship the dollar. And if it weren’t for the pressure of epidemiologists, he would let the workers take a daily bleach enema, just so that the billionaires wouldn’t lose some of that money.”

We need a statesman not a businessman and that’s why I can’t wait to vote Biden over Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 6:34:31am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:34:53am

This crisis has revealed social disparities as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 8, 2020 • 6:36:49am

re: #93 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This crisis has revealed social disparities as well.

and how pay is not at all related to how essential a particular job is to society

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 8, 2020 • 6:36:51am

he’s nutz

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Decatur Deb  May 8, 2020 • 6:39:35am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s nutz

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Not if “nutz” is a social construct. Nearly half of the country thinks he’s normal or better.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:39:39am

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 8, 2020 • 6:40:02am

re: #22 Targetpractice

I am interested in survival rations for some reason that has NO RELATION to current events…I am now intrigued by this channel…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:40:33am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and how pay is not at all related to how essential a particular job is to society

I’m talking explicitly about how racial minorities have been disproportionately impacted here.

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Patricia Kayden  May 8, 2020 • 6:42:26am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:45:08am

re: #100 Patricia Kayden

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The Reagan question needs to be asked.

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 6:46:10am

Conspiracy Theorists are intellectual vampires, vandals, arsonists. They destroy knowledge it took work to achieve. They steal time away from professionals and experts to refutre their endless bullshit. We laughed at them for years but now they’re killing people. Innoculate yourselves, use disinfectants and social media distancing judiciously. Hold no quarter. Your life or the lives of ones you love may depend on it.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:46:48am

re: #73 ericblair

I think it’s simpler: he just can’t think of anything but himself because of his narcissism, so sexual assault allegations=false. He simply can’t consider anything tactically anymore because of his decaying mind.

Simpler even:. He’s an iDJT

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:47:23am

re: #102 BigPapa

Conspiracy Theorists are intellectual vampires, vandals, arsonists. They destroy knowledge it took work to achieve. They steal time away from proffesionals and experts to refutre their endless bullshit. We laughed at them for years but now they’re killing people. Innoculate yourselves, use disinfectants and social media distancing judiciously. Hold no quarter. Your life or the lives of ones you love may depend on it.

They’re dangerous and you can see their fingerprints behind every authoritarian movement you can think of.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:48:33am

re: #77 lawhawk

Fuck Trump, Fuck the GOP, and fuck his enablers in Trumpworld. (Oh, and greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!)

Trump’s conspiracy craziness is up to 11 this morning, precisely because this morning his own government is releasing the official unemployment rate for the past month, and it will be the absolute worst on record. Unemployment rate officially hit 14.7%, which is the worst since the Great Depression. The Trump Collapse is official. And as the Minnesota Fed chair has indicated, the true rate is probably closer to 20% because it’s not capturing all the gig economy jobs that vaporized too.

He destroyed the US economy within 6 weeks. That’s it. It took him six weeks to absolutely and totally fuck the economy over in ways few could have contemplated. His failures to act have reverberated throughout the economy, the health care system and it’ll persist long after Trump leaves.

He’s done more damage in less time than anyone else in our history.

And the recovery wont be immediate, or even complete by the end of the year. That’s just wishful thinking from Trumpists and economists who ignore that once a business goes under, it’s not coming back and those jobs aren’t coming back.

It also doesn’t even begin to take into account the massive disruption to the retail real estate and retail market as brick and mortar sees businesses that were already faltering collapse entirely, and resulting in a huge increase in vacancies, which has a ripple effect that will ultimately also affect the stock market too.

But didnt you “enjoy” him on the teevee this morning?

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Decatur Deb  May 8, 2020 • 6:49:18am

re: #103 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Simpler even:. He’s an iDJT

If a democracy finds itself governed by an IDJIT, there are wider implications.

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 6:50:28am

The little sleet balls are starting to come down here in NW PA. Nothing accumulating on the ground yet.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:54:28am

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

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The line about COVID-19 being the “polio of our generation”….I agree entirely. There’s going to be long-term health effects that we’re going to have be prepared to deal with. I can tell my lung capacity has been reduced, though I can’t make a guess as to the percentage. When things settle down here in a month or so, I’ll go visit my doc.

All of a sudden some pre existing conditions are gonna be covered by insurance. You know because Rs have them

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wrenchwench  May 8, 2020 • 6:55:16am

re: #107 Eventual Carrion

The little sleet balls are starting to come down here in NW PA. Nothing accumulating on the ground yet.

Now I’m picturing little sleet balls hovering a few inches above the ground.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 6:56:11am

re: #107 Eventual Carrion

The little sleet balls are starting to come down here in NW PA. Nothing accumulating on the ground yet.

It’s been a cold Spring here in Va so far. Only a few days of what I call shorts weather. I wore a t-shirt, hoodie, & jeans when I walked the dog yesterday. Usually it’s 70-75 regularly by now. Not now. I guess that’s not the worst thing since people aren’t rushing outside yet. Seeing other families as I walk which is fine. I give em distance tho.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:56:22am

re: #81 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, those gig economy jobs aren’t being put into the unemployment tally. Those jobs vanished like a fart in a hurricane.

I estimated by swag that about 20% of the jobs just lost would not come back under any circumstances. For myriad reasons.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 6:59:03am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 6:59:14am

re: #84 lawhawk

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The virus DOES know political parties//

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2020 • 7:00:33am

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Almost all the job growth achieved during the 11-year recovery from the Great Recession has now been lost in one month.”

Amazing how fast the fucking clock can be reset, isn’t it?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:01:18am

re: #112 lawhawk

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They don’t even hide their hypocrisy. For that reason alone despite my usual want of caution in the judiciary I’m open to expanding the court.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:02:09am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

A comment from a friend of mine here about the unemployment numbers in the US (and apparently, they’re catastrophic in Ireland, too)

“Americans are experiencing what happens when the head of state is a businessman who has bends his knee to worship the dollar. And if it weren’t for the pressure of epidemiologists, he would let the workers take a daily bleach enema, just so that the billionaires wouldn’t lose some of that money.”

Don’t really need that part. Any craven politician will do
And plus, he’s really not

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 7:02:21am

re: #110 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s been a cold Spring here in Va so far. Only a few days of what I call shorts weather. I wore a t-shirt, hoodie, & jeans when I walked the dog yesterday. Usually it’s 70-75 regularly by now. Not now. I guess that’s not the worst thing since people aren’t rushing outside yet. Seeing other families as I walk which is fine. I give em distance tho.

Supposed to be warming up again here after a couple days of it being cooler. Really isn’t that extraordinary for sleet or hail to happen this late. I remember days when I was in little league seeing little hail balls hitting and dancing on the field during a game. I was a catcher so had a good vantage point at almost ground level of them bouncing, it was cool looking.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:02:53am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

“Almost all the job growth achieved during the 11-year recovery from the Great Recession has now been lost in one month.”

Amazing how fast the fucking clock can be reset, isn’t it?

We didn’t appreciate Obama as a President. So we elected a buffoon who has less civics knowledge than a preschooler.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:05:36am

re: #117 Eventual Carrion

Supposed to be warming up again here after a couple days of it being cooler. Really isn’t that extraordinary for sleet or hail to happen this late. I remember days when I was in little league seeing little hail balls hitting and dancing on the field during a game. I was a catcher so had a good vantage point at almost ground level of them bouncing, it was cool looking.

Yeah my mom’s cousin lives in your neck of the woods. She says snow or hail in April isn’t uncommon. I never played any LL in those conditions.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:07:32am

re: #112 lawhawk

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Even though we assumed a Hillary presidency, We knew someday this was gonna happen way back when that happened.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:09:03am

re: #118 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We didn’t appreciate Obama as a President. So we elected a buffoon who has less civics knowledge* than a preschooler.

* And socialization

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ericblair  May 8, 2020 • 7:10:08am

re: #102 BigPapa

Conspiracy Theorists are intellectual vampires, vandals, arsonists. They destroy knowledge it took work to achieve. They steal time away from professionals and experts to refutre their endless bullshit. We laughed at them for years but now they’re killing people. Innoculate yourselves, use disinfectants and social media distancing judiciously. Hold no quarter. Your life or the lives of ones you love may depend on it.

I’m not a philosopher or a pope or nothin, but it seems that a large component of evil is desecration. The evil take things that are good and true and replace them with crude and deformed copies to destroy the originals. We have conspiracy theories that mock and debase science; we have a depraved conman as a president because an honest black president was too much for them to take; and we have transparent hackery as justice because a fair legal system might give the disadvantaged a fighting chance.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:10:28am

The number of workers who have tested positive for the coronavirus at an Iowa meat plant doubled on the same day that the facility reopened following a two-week closure, the Des Moines Register reports

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:12:04am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:12:55am

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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 7:16:25am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:17:00am

re: #122 ericblair

I’m not a philosopher or a pope or nothin, but it seems that a large component of evil is desecration. The evil take things that are good and true and replace them with crude and deformed copies to destroy the originals. We have conspiracy theories that mock and debase science; we have a depraved conman as a president because an honest black president was too much for them to take; and we have transparent hackery as justice because a fair legal system might give the disadvantaged a fighting chance.

I don’t disagree
And there’s the problem

What you describe is what we see
It’s not what they see

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 7:19:29am

re: #122 ericblair

I’m not a philosopher or a pope or nothin, but it seems that a large component of evil is desecration. The evil take things that are good and true and replace them with crude and deformed copies to destroy the originals. We have conspiracy theories that mock and debase science; we have a depraved conman as a president because an honest black president was too much for them to take; and we have transparent hackery as justice because a fair legal system might give the disadvantaged a fighting chance.

No doubt there is a component of destruction required in authoritarianism. The concept of ‘the people’ needs to be remodeled dramatically. I’ve been in construction biz for 30+ years and I’m struck by the analogy of a minor remodel vs a full gut vs a complete demo/bulldozer (which isn’t a remodel). Much of authoritarianism cannot be based on a foundation of education, empowerment, of/for/by the people. That all needs to go away. One of the best ways to achieve that is to destroy truth itself. Disinformation and conspiracy are extremely effective at that. Lies don’t need to convince you their true: they’re still effective if they wear you down and you DGAF any more.

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Jay C  May 8, 2020 • 7:20:39am

re: #120 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Even though we assumed a Hillary presidency, We knew someday this was gonna happen way back when that happened.

However, without the absolute control over the Senate a GOP Majority (and a Mitch McConnell Leadership) provides, confirming/not conforming a SCOTUS nomination isn’t going to be the same thing. Moscow Mitch’s disgraceful shelving of the Garland nomination was, well, a disgrace: but it’s unlikely to be able to be repeated. Except, of course, in the tragic instance of a sudden vacancy between now and the election.
Just a prediction: I think Justice Ginsburg is going to hang on until after the election, and submit her resignation to (what we fervently hope will be) President Biden soon after he’s sworn in (or RBG finishes up her final caseload). And outside of a classic stand-in-the-well-of-the-Senate-reading-the-phonebook type of filibuster, there will probably not be a lot the GOP can do to derail her replacement’s nom.
I’m sure they will try, but I’m guessing there is going to be a way lower level of toleration for these sort of shenanigans in the next session. And most likely, said shenanigans quashed by rules old McTurtle put in himself….

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:22:16am

re: #128 BigPapa

No doubt there is a component of destruction required in authoritarianism. The concept of ‘the people’ needs to be remodeled dramatically. I’ve been in construction biz for 30+ years and I’m struck by the analogy of a minor remodel vs a full gut vs a complete demo/bulldozer (which isn’t a remodel). Much of authoritarianism cannot be based on a foundation of education, empowerment, of/for/by the people. That all needs to go away. One of the best ways to achieve that is to destroy truth itself. Disinformation and conspiracy are extremely effective at that. Lies don’t need to convince you their true: they’re still effective if they wear you down and you DGAF any more.

To me, it’s no coincidence that conspiracies spread during times of crisis. That could be during a pandemic, economic downturn, or general upheaveal. It’s why I’ve always worried that Trumpism’s most dangerous effects would be in a time like where we are now even though I’m more optimistic than most lizards about Biden beating Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:23:11am

re: #129 Jay C

However, without the absolute control over the Senate a GOP Majority (and a Mitch McConnell Leadership) provides, confirming/not conforming a SCOTUS nomination isn’t going to be the same thing. Moscow Mitch’s disgraceful shelving of the Garland nomination was, well, a disgrace: but it’s unlikely to be able to be repeated. Except, of course, in the tragic instance of a sudden vacancy between now and the election.
Just a prediction: I think Justice Ginsburg is going to hang on until after the election, and submit her resignation to (what we fervently hope will be) President Biden soon after he’s sworn in (or RBG finishes up her final caseload). And outside of a classic stand-in-the-well-of-the-Senate-reading-the-phonebook type of filibuster, there will probably not be a lot the GOP can do to derail her replacement’s nom.
I’m sure they will try, but I’m guessing there is going to be a way lower level of toleration for these sort of shenanigans in the next session. And most likely, said shenanigans quashed by rules old McTurtle put in himself….

I think as soon as she retires, she should get the nation’s highest civilian honor. RBG is the nation’s best living judge.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 8, 2020 • 7:23:22am

re: #112 lawhawk

That means that Ginsburg needs to be protected by any and all means necessary.

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Decatur Deb  May 8, 2020 • 7:25:28am

re: #132 Eric The Fruit Bat

That means that Ginsburg needs to be protected by any and all means necessary.

Seems to be doing fine on her own.

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 7:26:14am

re: #130 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

To me, it’s no coincidence that conspiracies spread during times of crisis. That could be during a pandemic, economic downturn, or general upheaveal. It’s why I’ve always worried that Trumpism’s most dangerous effects would be in a time like where we are now even though I’m more optimistic than most lizards about Biden beating Trump.

Yup. CT’s are pushed to ‘soften the beach head’ and wear us down, information overload, pessimism, cynicism.

Hold in formation.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 7:26:23am

re: #37 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  May 8, 2020 • 7:27:40am
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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 7:28:57am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:29:54am

re: #134 BigPapa

Yup. CT’s are pushed to ‘soften the beach head’ and wear us down, information overload, pessimism, cynicism.

Hold in formation.

It’s been Alex Jones’ business model from day one. I wish people who watch and listen to Infowars would realize that Alex, Paul Joseph Watson, and all these scam artists don’t give two shits about you. They care about using your fear and worries about uncertain times to enrich themselves and their brands. Conspiracy bullshit spread in Germany after WWI just like it has spread in Russia under Putin. We want easy answers to complex realities.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:30:41am

re: #136 Patricia Kayden

I’m not surprised to hear that unfortunately.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 8, 2020 • 7:31:41am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Seems to be doing fine on her own.

Many moons ago when we were installing IMS (IBM’s Hierarchical Database System, which pre-dates DB2) and it’s DBRC (Data Base Recovery Control) we operated on one statement:

“Trust no one but the computer.”

Today, it’s “Trust no one but Ginsburg.”

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Mattand  May 8, 2020 • 7:36:30am

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

When this pandemic is over, let’s avoid the partisan blame game,

Republican Pandemic Talking Point #2.

#1 being “Everyone’s at fault for how the US handled this.”

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 7:36:34am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was his last comment something like “Maybe he shouldn’t have been born black.”?
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Just a mite pissed off this morning already.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 7:37:15am

I smell bulkshit coming from Trumpworld. Unless we saw contents, assume it’s empty. There’s no reason to trust anything or anyone coming out of Trumpworld.

They don’t deserve that fucking basic courtesy.

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Jay C  May 8, 2020 • 7:38:43am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

e: #132 Eric The Fruit Bat

That means that Ginsburg needs to be protected by any and all means necessary.

Seems to be doing fine on her own.

So far. But she is 87 years old, and not in the best of health. I’m sure, like so many other SCOTUS Justices, RBG is going to leave the Court either on her own terms, or the Grim Reaper’s. But her seat is going to be vacant sooner rather than later: and it really IS a matter of the gravest importance that that vacancy NOT be filled by anyone selected by Donald Trump.

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 7:41:07am

This made me laugh this morning.

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BigPapa  May 8, 2020 • 7:41:20am

re: #138 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s been Alex Jones’ business model from day one. I wish people who watch and listen to Infowars would realize that Alex, Paul Joseph Watson, and all these scam artists don’t give two shits about you. They care about using your fear and worries about uncertain times to enrich themselves and their brands. Conspiracy bullshit spread in Germany after WWI just like it has spread in Russia under Putin. We want easy answers to complex realities.

I’m struck by the concept of Infotainment as stated by Ailes when questioned about journalism. Talk about walking up and seeing the problem then shrugging and walking away. InfoWars, Limbaugh, all can hide behind the shield of Infotainment when scrutiny is applied and once removed, act as a reliable and objective source again. Or, everybody is biased, don’t you want to be on the winning biased team? One is not encumbered by the rules when you operate on the fringes of them, stepping outside when convenient only to step back inside when it’s safe.

There’s an old saying about camel’s nose in a tent because the whole camel will soon be inside. This applies to the early days of Limbaugh up and through CNN’s ‘paid commentators’ who were political party surrogates. The camel is most definitely in the tent.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 8, 2020 • 7:41:23am

re: #117 Eventual Carrion

Supposed to be warming up again here after a couple days of it being cooler.

Not here in MD. Polar vortex approacheth

Brrrrrrr, it’s cold out there…

.

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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 7:41:27am

re: #144 Jay C

She HAS to make it to 2/1/21. Oh, please!

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 7:43:08am

Seriously? A polar vortex in May?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 7:43:10am

re: #93 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

This crisis has revealed social disparities as well.

It revealed the underlying class war quite clearly since it’s very hard to truly pin COVID-19 on the “other” trying to take your job.

Blaming China is simply deflection and any conservative with a lick of sense knows this as well and is simply using it as a excuse to continue voting conservative since for the most part they like the policies - and have no experience of what it was like to live in the late 1800s and not be of the upper class.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 7:45:45am

re: #118 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

We didn’t appreciate Obama as a President. So we elected a buffoon who has less civics knowledge than a preschooler.

What is this “we” of which you speak?

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 7:46:30am

re: #110 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s been a cold Spring here in Va so far. Only a few days of what I call shorts weather. I wore a t-shirt, hoodie, & jeans when I walked the dog yesterday. Usually it’s 70-75 regularly by now. Not now. I guess that’s not the worst thing since people aren’t rushing outside yet. Seeing other families as I walk which is fine. I give em distance tho.

It’s been a relatively cold and wet spring. Some of the local plants seem to have liked it. I think due to there not having been a real frost here since sometime in February I think.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:47:23am

re: #146 BigPapa

I’m struck by the concept of Infotainment as stated by Ailes when questioned about journalism. Talk about walking up and seeing the problem then shrugging and walking away. InfoWars, Limbaugh, all can hide behind the shield of Infotainment when scrutiny is applied and once removed, act as a reliable and objective source again. Or, everybody is biased, don’t you want to be on the winning biased team? One is not encumbered by the rules when you operate on the fringes of them, stepping outside when convenient only to step back inside when it’s safe.

There’s an old saying about camel’s nose in a tent because the whole camel will soon be inside. This applies to the early days of Limbaugh up and through CNN’s ‘paid commentators’ who were political party surrogates. The camel is most definitely in the tent.

What honestly does trouble me is seeing there’s a part of the left that sees what Ailes and Jones have done and has tried to apply that on the left. I’m seeing it with how the Biden-Reade story has spread.

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 7:47:54am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 8, 2020 • 7:48:09am

re: #144 Jay C

But her seat is going to be vacant sooner rather than later: and it really IS a matter of the gravest importance that that vacancy NOT be filled by anyone selected by Donald Trump.

If Ginsburg passes before we get a sane president then it will require that her seat not be filled by any and all means necessary - barring that, then it will require that a Democratic president pack the court, assuming they win.

The last thing we need is Mao’s solution - but barring a miracle pharmaceutical solution, it may come to pass.

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Omar Comin’ Yo  May 8, 2020 • 7:51:13am

It’s Friday, and what a beautiful October Friday it is…..////

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 7:52:24am

re: #111 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I estimated by swag that about 20% of the jobs just lost would not come back under any circumstances. For myriad reasons.

I think a lot of people are going to cut back from public group locations for an extended period of time - and that’s going to hit a lot of service industry jobs for an extended period of time. All the local restaurants, etc. could fully reopen right now and I’d not enter one anyways.

And there will be some long-lasting social behavior changes as well. I think the isolation thing has extended understanding/use of social media communities to a large number of older people who otherwise wouldn’t use it. And on-line education and remote working for jobs got a bit shot in the arm out of necessity. It will be interesting if it blossoms further from there.*

* - And on-line education will have a marked negative effect on university-oriented in-person social organizations such as fraternities and sororities.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 7:52:42am

There’s a growing number of cases among Trumpworld’s staffers.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 7:57:01am

re: #129 Jay C

If Biden wins and the GOP holds the Senate you will likely see McConnell do nothing with a Biden nomination for a vacant SC seat for four years.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:57:08am

re: #158 lawhawk

There’s a growing number of cases among Trumpworld’s staffers.

I still think Mulvaney had it and it’s crazy how he just disappeared completely from public life after Trump replaced him with Meadows.

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Renaissance_Man  May 8, 2020 • 7:58:34am

re: #159 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If Biden wins and the GOP holds the Senate you will likely see McConnell do nothing with a Biden nomination for a vacant SC seat for four years.

They would allow a replacement of RBG. But replacing a Republican judge will never be allowed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 7:58:50am

re: #159 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

If Biden wins and the GOP holds the Senate you will likely see McConnell do nothing with a Biden nomination for a vacant SC seat for four years.

You will, that’s why I’m going to donate to McGrath. I’m not worried about Warner winning re-election here. But I’ll help a fellow Commonwealth out with some money Amy’s way. Might help out Cal Cunningham in North Carolina too. I can’t help everyone who is running for office but I do want to help those in close geographic proximity to me plus my Uncle- a cancer survivor is a NC resident. Might also help out Hicknelooper in Colorado too since my aunt lives there.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 7:59:41am

re: #158 lawhawk

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There’s a growing number of cases among Trumpworld’s staffers.

maybe the virus does have an agenda afterall?

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 8:00:36am

re: #157 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

* - And on-line education will have a marked negative effect on university-oriented in-person social organizations such as fraternities and sororities.

I think there’s serious doubt about that. People like clubs and in-groups, also getting together. Maybe not fraternities and sororities per se, but there will always be groups.

(And I’m doubtful about online education as the wave of the future, but there’s plenty of room for intermediate “solutions.”)

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 8:00:50am

re: #161 Renaissance_Man

They would allow a replacement of RBG. But replacing a Republican judge will never be allowed.

They just couldn’t accept that Obama would replace Scalia. I don’t know Merrick Garland personally but if I were him, I would definitely hold a grudge against McConnell and the Senate GOP. He worked his ass off first to become a lawyer and then a judge and McConnell held up the nomination simply for a Fed Society stooge. I really want those assholes to lose their influence in the judicary world. They’re not impartial. They’re right wing hacks and the right wing judges are only getting worse since they’re Trump appointed.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 8:00:58am

re: #140 Eric The Fruit Bat

Many moons ago when we were installing IMS (IBM’s Hierarchical Database System, which pre-dates DB2) and it’s DBRC (Data Base Recovery Control) we operated on one statement:

“Trust no one but the computer.”

Today, it’s “Trust no one but Ginsburg.”

The Computer is your friend. The Computer is crazy.
The Computer wants to make you happy. This will drive you crazy.
(Paranoia)

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 8, 2020 • 8:01:42am

re: #158 lawhawk

There’s a growing number of cases among Trumpworld’s staffers.

And it will only get worse without a vaccine - a treatment won’t do squat. Hell, even the current antviral’s for influenza can at best reduce the symptoms by only a few days.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 8:02:08am

re: #164 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I think there’s serious doubt about that. People like clubs and in-groups, also getting together. Maybe not fraternities and sororities per se, but there will always be groups.

(And I’m doubtful about online education as the wave of the future, but there’s plenty of room for intermediate “solutions.”)

I think online education has some positives to it but it can and should not be the only way. Maybe I’m slightly old fashioned in a way but I like being in an in person lecture. I like being able to engage my instructor one on one.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 8:05:51am

they really were having a good time at tanglewood 1970

YouTube

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 8:07:07am

re: #146 BigPapa

I’m struck by the concept of Infotainment as stated by Ailes when questioned about journalism. Talk about walking up and seeing the problem then shrugging and walking away. InfoWars, Limbaugh, all can hide behind the shield of Infotainment when scrutiny is applied and once removed, act as a reliable and objective source again. Or, everybody is biased, don’t you want to be on the winning biased team? One is not encumbered by the rules when you operate on the fringes of them, stepping outside when convenient only to step back inside when it’s safe.

There’s an old saying about camel’s nose in a tent because the whole camel will soon be inside. This applies to the early days of Limbaugh up and through CNN’s ‘paid commentators’ who were political party surrogates. The camel is most definitely in the tent.

Same model as professional wrestling. Claim to be sport/athletics up to the point that standards thereof need to be applied and then it transforms into entertainment with a totally different set of standards.

The University of Pittsburgh toes that line as well. Claims to be a public university when that is the beneficial tack to take and then switches to claiming to be a private university when other challenges appear. It’s a “state-related” university and thus has this hybrid public-private status.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 8:07:23am

re: #167 Eric The Fruit Bat

And it will only get worse without a vaccine - a treatment won’t do squat. Hell, even the current antviral’s for influenza can at best reduce the symptoms by only a few days.

even a ‘treatment’ will not necessarily counter the types of temporary and/or permanent damage reported upthread and elsewhere

lungs, kidneys, liver, brain, blood clots, etc etc

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 8, 2020 • 8:09:53am

re: #166 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The Computer is your friend. The Computer is crazy.
The Computer wants to make you happy. This will drive you crazy.
(Paranoia)

DBRC stopped dead in is tracks being able to update a database whose jobs failed until the database backout was executed successfully.

You would be surprised how many of the largest banks in the country use IMS as the core platform for their deposits systems simply because it’s so bullet-proof.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 8:10:36am

re: #170 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Same model as professional wrestling. Claim to be sport/athletics up to the point that standards thereof need to be applied and then it transforms into entertainment with a totally different set of standards.

The University of Pittsburgh toes that line as well. Claims to be a public university when that is the beneficial tack to take and then switches to claiming to be a private university when other challenges appear. It’s a “state-related” university and thus has this hybrid public-private status.

Yeah WWE does that in the labor stuff. The problem and I blame Reaganism for this but it’s this idea that “public” is some kind of bad or negative thing. TBH I’ve been feeling very put off by economic dogmatism. I guess that’s why if I have a favorite economist, it’s Keynes because he wasn’t an ideologue rigid asshole who cared more about his theories than the data.

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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 8:10:58am

“…Jupiter in thermal infrared light; bright regions are clear air where heat from inside the planet can leak out, while darker regions are where clouds block that heat. Credit: International Gemini Observatory/NOIRLab/NSF/AURA M.H. Wong (UC Berkeley) and team Acknowledgments: Mahdi Zamani”

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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 8:11:03am

re: #149 plansbandc

Seriously? A polar vortex in May?

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We had a small group of hummingbirds. We freeze tonight. I’m afraid it will kill them. And we go back down into the cellar on Sunday. GAH!

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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 8:13:54am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Sally forth to annoy the English”. Rapidly followed by the English response: “Hey, you probably haven’t heard of Oradour-sur-Glane, but let us show you how that goes.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 8:16:36am

re: #172 Eric The Fruit Bat

DBRC stopped dead in is tracks being able to update a database whose jobs failed until the database backout was executed successfully.

You would be surprised how many of the largest banks in the country use IMS as the core platform for their deposits systems simply because it’s so bullet-proof.

I worked with hierarchical DBs a bit in the late 80s at the USDA as a contractor. Very robust, but also very picky. And nowhere as flexible as the relational DBs once there was memory and computing power enough to implement them efficiently.

(My databases class in 1985 at Pitt was primarily book work. So computer work with a hierarchical system on the DEC-10 mainframe. The relational DB work was all on paper. It did get put to use later on since by 1991 the relational DBs were all over and I at least had a solid theoretical background on how to construct an efficient one.

I told someone once that the mid-80s was actually probably the worst time to get a Computer Science degree. A lot changed in a very short time after that; relational DBs, the PC revolution, the C language, and Moore’s Law really kicking in.)

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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 8:17:55am
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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 8:19:51am

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

Maru also said he felt that tech platforms need to do more to deal with disinformation, but he acknowledged that there is no easy fix.

“I do think it’s a monumental task to hold these companies to account, but in the COVID case, they truly have blood on their hands,” Maru said.

The “journalist” is clearly twisting Maru’s words in the first, unquoted, paragraph. Maru doesn’t say “tech platforms need to do more” he says “they truly have blood on their hands”. He talks about holding them to account. He’s not saying they’re incompetent, he’s saying they’re guilty.

The truth is “tech platforms” don’t need to do “more”. They need to do “something”.

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 8:20:05am

re: #175 retired cynic

Oh no. :(

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 8:31:02am

re: #178 The Pie Overlord!

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do you think president trump should drop out as well?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 8, 2020 • 8:32:41am

re: #129 Jay C

However, without the absolute control over the Senate a GOP Majority (and a Mitch McConnell Leadership) provides, confirming/not conforming a SCOTUS nomination isn’t going to be the same thing. Moscow Mitch’s disgraceful shelving of the Garland nomination was, well, a disgrace: but it’s unlikely to be able to be repeated. Except, of course, in the tragic instance of a sudden vacancy between now and the election.
Just a prediction: I think Justice Ginsburg is going to hang on until after the election, and submit her resignation to (what we fervently hope will be) President Biden soon after he’s sworn in (or RBG finishes up her final caseload). And outside of a classic stand-in-the-well-of-the-Senate-reading-the-phonebook type of filibuster, there will probably not be a lot the GOP can do to derail her replacement’s nom.
I’m sure they will try, but I’m guessing there is going to be a way lower level of toleration for these sort of shenanigans in the next session. And most likely, said shenanigans quashed by rules old McTurtle put in himself….

If the GOP retains a Senate majority, I wouldn’t put it past McConnell to simply leave a vacancy on the Court for 4 years.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 8, 2020 • 8:33:53am

re: #175 retired cynic

We had a small group of hummingbirds. We freeze tonight. I’m afraid it will kill them. And we go back down into the cellar on Sunday. GAH!

Do hummingbirds migrate?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2020 • 8:34:30am

re: #158 lawhawk

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There’s a growing number of cases among Trumpworld’s staffers.

You mean people who downplay the virus and don’t take precautions are getting sick?

I am shocked. Shocked, I say!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 8:36:05am

re: #183 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Do hummingbirds migrate?

Yes.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 8:42:27am

re: #183 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Do hummingbirds migrate?

only if they dont know the words

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sagehen  May 8, 2020 • 8:49:31am

re: #166 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

The Computer is your friend. The Computer is crazy.
The Computer wants to make you happy. This will drive you crazy.
(Paranoia)

I’m sorry, Dave

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 8:58:16am

According to this diary, dailykos.com, the ‘Mourning in America’ ad from the Lincoln Project has been declared false on Facebook and has been pulled down. I can’t get on Facebook at work, so I can’t verify it.

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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 8:59:46am

re: #188 Belafon

EXCLUSIVE: Rick Wilson Blasts ‘Typical F*ckery’ After Facebook Slaps Warning Label on Lincoln Project’s Anti-Trump Ad
Mediaite

You can read PolitFact’s analysis for yourself here, but the foundation of their argument is that some of the CARES Act funds did go to small businesses, so therefore saying “Trump bailed out Wall Street, but not Main Street” is worthy of a red-light alarm PolitiFact rating of FALSE.

But the ad doesn’t actually claim that small businesses received zero help. Rather, it makes the point that Main Street America is still seriously struggling as the economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic continues.

How much you agree or disagree with the ad’s claim likely depends on how much you support or oppose Trump, but the bottom line is that it is a subjective, rather than an objective issue.

After PolitiFact’s rating, Facebook began taking punitive action against the Lincoln Project video, placing warning labels on the video, marking it as “Partly False.”

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 9:01:07am
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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 9:01:51am

re: #189 retired cynic

edited to add a quote from the text, so refresh

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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 9:03:40am

re: #192 retired cynic

and more:

This is a uniquely aggressive stance by Facebook. The social networking behemoth has previously taken a much more hands-off approach to political ads, with their own stated policy saying that “people should be able to hear from those who wish to lead them, warts and all, and that what they say should be scrutinized and debated in public.”

Unsurprisingly, Wilson was displeased with Facebook’s move.

Speaking exclusively to Mediaite, Wilson called the decision “the typical fuckery we’ve come to expect from both the Trump camp and their tame Facebook allies.”

“Facebook is perfectly content to allow content from QAnon lunatics, anti-vaxxers, alt-righters, and every form of Trump/Russian — but I repeat myself — disinformation,” he pointed out. “This is a sign of just how powerfully ‘Mourning In America’ shook Donald Trump and his allies. Their attempt to censor our ad isn’t a setback for us; it’s a declaration of an information war we will win.”

Jennifer Horn, former New Hampshire GOP chair and another Lincoln Project co-founder, pushed back hard against the accusation that the group’s ad was false. She sent Mediaite a long list of citations used to produce the ad and back up each claim, including articles published at Bloomberg Businessweek and Common Dreams making the same point: that small businesses across America have been devastated by the coronavirus pandemic, and the aid provided so far was wildly insufficient to sustain them.

“The Lincoln Project stands firmly behind every claim made in all of our ads,” said Horn, “including the devastating truths laid out in ‘Mourning in America.’ We will continue to take every available avenue to share the truth with the American people that the narcissistic, dangerous failures of this President have left America sicker, weaker and poorer.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2020 • 9:06:31am

So now we’re at the point where 75 000 dead Americans will be written of as “Collateral damage”?

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retired cynic  May 8, 2020 • 9:07:40am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

More likely at least double that, when all is said and done.

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 9:09:15am

re: #189 retired cynic

An even more pissed off Rick is an even stronger Rick. This will result in more brutal and better ads.

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KGxvi  May 8, 2020 • 9:16:37am

re: #196 plansbandc

An even more pissed off Rick is an even stronger Rick. This will result in more brutal and better ads.

I was listening to his pod with Molly Jong-Fast this morning, he mentioned that they raised $15m off of Trump’s rage tweeting about the ad… the kicker, they spent $5k to get it on Tucker Carlson’s show. It’s basically the daisy ad - they ran it once and it’s going to live forever.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:17:09am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

So now we’re at the point where 75 000 dead Americans will be written of as “Collateral damage”?

That may work in Trump’s cult but I don’t see it working outside of it. The truth of the matter is Trump has shown no empathy at all to the victims and only concern for his ratings. I can’t wait for the airwaves to be bombarded with Trump acting like the asshole he is throughout this whole process. I want Trump’s fall to be ugly and for him to be afraid to ever show his fat face in public again.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:18:55am

re: #196 plansbandc

An even more pissed off Rick is an even stronger Rick. This will result in more brutal and better ads.

I have to give the Lincoln guys credit. They’ve come to play. I just hope they acknowledge that they have some responsibility after this to build up a sane right of center because that needs to happen.

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 8, 2020 • 9:19:52am

re: #196 plansbandc

We have yet to see Wilson’s final form.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:20:29am

re: #197 KGxvi

I was listening to his pod with Molly Jong-Fast this morning, he mentioned that they raised $15m off of Trump’s rage tweeting about the ad… the kicker, they spent $5k to get it on Tucker Carlson’s show. It’s basically the daisy ad - they ran it once and it’s going to live forever.

I liked the Lincoln Memorial Ad. Biden’s had some good ones too. Haven’t seen too many from Trump yet. I really think what I’ve been saying remains the truth. Trump when he’s not controlling the narrative is fucked. I think that’s why he wanted to smear and was unsuccessful with the Hunter Biden fishing expedition in Ukraine.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:22:08am

re: #200 Sufficient unto the day…

We have yet to see Wilson’s final form.

If I have to compare Wilson and his bunch to anyone, I would compare them to the Republicans that put aside partisan politics and helped Truman with foreign policy in the aftermath of WWII. I don’t want them shaping our ideology but I’m find with them going after Trump. I just hope they have learned something from Trump’s rise.

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Mattand  May 8, 2020 • 9:22:55am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

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So now we’re at the point where 75 000 dead Americans will be written of as “Collateral damage”?

Yup. I know I’ve been complaining maybe too much about this, but the few conservatives I know are in Magic Balance Fairy mode, aka “It’s not just Trump, everyone’s to blame.”

IMO, the next shift will be “Pandemics happen, whaddya gonna do?” in order to cover for Trump further. That’s followed by “How dare you politicize this?” Which is all rationalization for voting for Trump again.

And, quite frankly, our idiot “independent” voters are probably thinking this way as well.

100,000 dead is coming soon, and I unfortunately don’t think 250,000 is out of the question. But the “logic” detailed above is why this election will be a nail biter again.

Or maybe not. Trump’s move with the Post Office pretty much signals they’re going to do their best to shut down the mail-in vote.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:23:13am

And yeah I know I’m more optimistic than most but I just can’t see Trump winning. The things I’m seeing that worked for Trump four years ago aren’t working now. SAd to say, some of that is the result of sexism and I think Biden knows this.

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 9:26:29am
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KGxvi  May 8, 2020 • 9:27:37am

re: #201 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I liked the Lincoln Memorial Ad. Biden’s had some good ones too. Haven’t seen too many from Trump yet. I really think what I’ve been saying remains the truth. Trump when he’s not controlling the narrative is fucked. I think that’s why he wanted to smear and was unsuccessful with the Hunter Biden fishing expedition in Ukraine.

I saw one Trump ad the other day while watching the Food Network (I think)… I remember absolutely nothing about it.

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Mattand  May 8, 2020 • 9:27:46am

So Politico is talking about Pence’s chance for 2024.

Jesus Christ, can we get though this fucking disaster first?

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 9:30:04am
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Decatur Deb  May 8, 2020 • 9:30:14am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

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So now we’re at the point where 75 000 dead Americans will be written of as “Collateral damage”?

Corona Fodder.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 9:30:14am

JFC

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:31:24am

re: #206 KGxvi

I saw one Trump ad the other day while watching the Food Network (I think)… I remember absolutely nothing about it.

I think Parscale is having a tough time going from the world of hashtags to the full blitz of a presidential campaign.

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KGxvi  May 8, 2020 • 9:32:03am

re: #204 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And yeah I know I’m more optimistic than most but I just can’t see Trump winning. The things I’m seeing that worked for Trump four years ago aren’t working now. SAd to say, some of that is the result of sexism and I think Biden knows this.

A big part of this is Trump didn’t have a resume to run on in 2016, his best pitch was literally “well, what do you have to lose”… now we know what we had to lose.

By the way, that’d be a helluva ad, right there.

And Clinton had a lot going against her beyond sexism.

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KGxvi  May 8, 2020 • 9:33:50am

re: #207 Mattand

So Politico is talking about Pence’s chance for 2024.

Jesus Christ, can we get though this fucking disaster first?

How’d that work out for Mondale?

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Hecuba's daughter  May 8, 2020 • 9:34:00am

re: #79 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The economy especially won’t be able to recover quickly because a vaccine probably won’t be ready for mass inoculation until 2022, and that is being optimistic. We are going to go through many waves of infections and death, which will keep economic activity sputtering at a low level.

If there is a truly effective treatment that significantly shortens recovery time and prevents most deaths, that would be enough to open the economy.

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Citizen K  May 8, 2020 • 9:34:23am

Just…fucking hell…

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:35:29am

re: #212 KGxvi

A big part of this is Trump didn’t have a resume to run on in 2016, his best pitch was literally “well, what do you have to lose”… now we know what we had to lose.

By the way, that’d be a helluva ad, right there.

And Clinton had a lot going against her beyond sexism.

Exactly. He’s no longer an empty slate. As for the sexism, it was how Trump despite being unqualified for the job got a total pass against someone who was. I do concede that it wasn’t the entire story though because of the email issue, Benghazi, and her being a polarizing figure.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 9:36:05am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 8, 2020 • 9:36:53am

re: #207 Mattand

So Politico is talking about Pence’s chance for 2024.

Jesus Christ, can we get though this fucking disaster first?

Which one? The Pandemic or the Trump Admin?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:37:30am

re: #215 Citizen K

Just…fucking hell…

And this even though I literally froze my ass in 2005 protesting his second inaugural is why he is different than W. I mean I don’t have to explain to any of you why GWB was a bad President but I do think it’s fair to point out that W Bush is much more capable than Trump in acting like a decent person and yes he’s considerably smarter than Trump too.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 8, 2020 • 9:37:49am

re: #82 Jay C

Yeah, Trump’s response was (quite uncharacteristically) pretty logical: sex-related accusations are probably the last thing he wants to get out into public discussion; though I’m sure Trump’s team will find enough other sewage to pump out into the campaign…
……

Trump may be thinking of the E. Jean Caroll accusation, especially the demands for his DNA to be used as a sample to verify her story. This may be a situation where he really doesn’t want to promote the Biden charges because it would give more fuel to Caroll’s charges. Of course, that won’t stop social media from supporting Reade, but it might help in dampening the effects.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 9:37:53am

re: #197 KGxvi

I was listening to his pod with Molly Jong-Fast this morning, he mentioned that they raised $15m off of Trump’s rage tweeting about the ad… the kicker, they spent $5k to get it on Tucker Carlson’s show. It’s basically the daisy ad - they ran it once and it’s going to live forever.

trump et al do not understand the streisand effect

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:38:28am

re: #221 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

trump et al do not understand the streisand effect

What is the Streisland Effect?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 9:39:54am

re: #203 Mattand

Yup. I know I’ve been complaining maybe too much about this, but the few conservatives I know are in Magic Balance Fairy mode, aka “It’s not just Trump, everyone’s to blame.”

IMO, the next shift will be “Pandemics happen, whaddya gonna do?” in order to cover for Trump further. That’s followed by “How dare you politicize this?” Which is all rationalization for voting for Trump again.

And, quite frankly, our idiot “independent” voters are probably thinking this way as well.

100,000 dead is coming soon, and I unfortunately don’t think 250,000 is out of the question. But the “logic” detailed above is why this election will be a nail biter again.

Or maybe not. Trump’s move with the Post Office pretty much signals they’re going to do their best to shut down the mail-in vote.

plan
prepare
test the plans
have a cdc, nih
get and read pdb’s
embed people around the world to monitor world health
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:40:17am

re: #220 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump may be thinking of the E. Jean Caroll accusation, especially the demands for his DNA to be used as a sample to verify her story. This may be a situation where he really doesn’t want to promote the Biden charges because it would give more fuel to Caroll’s charges. Of course, that won’t stop social media from supporting Reade, but it might help in dampening the effects.

The thing is I think we sort of overestimate social media’s role. I think a lot of the “influences” are discovering that the skepticism directed towards the traditional media are and definitely should be directed their way. I’m definitely seeing it at the Intercept types who have shown their agenda in the Reade story exposed in real time.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 9:43:15am

re: #222 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What is the Streisland Effect?

The Streisand effect is a social phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of further publicizing that information, often via the Internet.

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garzooma  May 8, 2020 • 9:43:39am

Sen. Leahy is working to prevent future BridgeGate abuses:

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:43:41am

re: #225 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Danke.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 9:45:41am

re: #222 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

What is the Streisland Effect?

In 2003, Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for distributing aerial pictures of her mansion in Malibu. But Adelman was no paparazzo—he operated the California Coastal Records Project, a resource providing more than 12,000 pictures of the California coast for scientists and researchers to use to study coastal erosion. At the time Streisand sued Adelman for $50 million, the picture in question had been accessed a whopping total of six times—twice by Streisand’s lawyers. Nonetheless, her lawsuit stated that the photos explicitly showed people how to gain access to her private residence.

Of course, news outlets around the world reported on Streisand’s outrage, and before long, the photo on Adelman’s website (below) had received well over a million views. The photo was also picked up by the Associated Press and was reprinted countless times.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:47:10am

re: #228 The Pie Overlord!

In 2003, Streisand sued photographer Kenneth Adelman for distributing aerial pictures of her mansion in Malibu. But Adelman was no paparazzo—he operated the California Coastal Records Project, a resource providing more than 12,000 pictures of the California coast for scientists and researchers to use to study coastal erosion. At the time Streisand sued Adelman for $50 million, the picture in question had been accessed a whopping total of six times—twice by Streisand’s lawyers. Nonetheless, her lawsuit stated that the photos explicitly showed people how to gain access to her private residence.

Of course, news outlets around the world reported on Streisand’s outrage, and before long, the photo on Adelman’s website (below) had received well over a million views. The photo was also picked up by the Associated Press and was reprinted countless times.

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Thanks. Hadn’t heard about that when it happened. I have no idea why she would have thought that. Looks like just another aerial coastal shot to me and makes me wish I were at that beach RIGHT NOW.

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Teddy's Person  May 8, 2020 • 9:47:40am

JFC

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danarchy  May 8, 2020 • 9:49:03am

re: #204 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And yeah I know I’m more optimistic than most but I just can’t see Trump winning. The things I’m seeing that worked for Trump four years ago aren’t working now. SAd to say, some of that is the result of sexism and I think Biden knows this.

I don’t think Trump will win, but can I see it? Sure. He is consistently polling in the low to mid 40s but remember, he won last time with 46% of the vote. It is again largely going to come down to a few states, and states that currently poll pretty close. Also 6 months is forever in political time.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 9:49:50am

re: #194 Eclectic Cyborg

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So now we’re at the point where 75 000 dead Americans will be written of as “Collateral damage”?

More like 100,000-200,000+. Trump already shifted the goal post to 110,000 and we know that the number is still an underestimate.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 9:50:11am

re: #230 Teddy’s Person

JFC

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imagine your family one day looking back on the madness and horror of 2020 and realizing this was the mountain you chose to literally die on

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 9:52:38am

re: #210 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

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Deflect and deny since they don’t have a record to stand on that will attract voters outside of the deplorable set.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:53:05am

re: #231 danarchy

I don’t think Trump will win, but can I see it? Sure. He is consistently polling in the low to mid 40s but remember, he won last time with 46% of the vote. It is again largely going to come down to a few states, and states that currently poll pretty close. Also 6 months is forever in political time.

True it’s definitely possible. I’m just saying if I had to bet on it, I wouldn’t. And honestly being glass half full helps my general anxiety. A lot can definitely change between now and the Fall but Trump’s not off to a good start. I would be less sure if the economy was doing better tbh. .

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 9:53:50am

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

If there is a truly effective treatment that significantly shortens recovery time and prevents most deaths, that would be enough to open the economy.

Along with a solid testing regime in place to control spread when new cases crop up.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 9:54:22am

re: #233 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

People should just send a bunch of dildos to his office. After all, he was fine with prosecuting people for sex toys. He’s such a pathetic hack.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 9:56:24am

re: #219 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And this even though I literally froze my ass in 2005 protesting his second inaugural is why he is different than W. I mean I don’t have to explain to any of you why GWB was a bad President but I do think it’s fair to point out that W Bush is much more capable than Trump in acting like a decent person and yes he’s considerably smarter than Trump too.

GWB was also able to surround himself with competent people and listen to them. (That some of the competent people were also evil fucks like Cheney is beside the point.) Trump doesn’t want competency, he wants loyalty* and people who will look the other way while he and his family skim off money.

* - Loyalty which he, of course, is not required to return.

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makeitstop  May 8, 2020 • 9:58:55am

re: #130 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

To me, it’s no coincidence that conspiracies spread during times of crisis. That could be during a pandemic, economic downturn, or general upheaveal.

And we’ve got the trifecta right now.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 9:59:26am

im looking at the worldometers site

they’ve got columns for united states (among others)

total cases 1299772
total deaths 77559
total recovered 219485
leaving
active cases 1,002,728

if they’re not hospitalized, does anyone know how or even if all the ‘active’ cases are being tracked and/or resolved ?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:01:05am

re: #238 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

GWB was also able to surround himself with competent people and listen to them. (That some of the competent people were also evil fucks like Cheney is beside the point.) Trump doesn’t want competency, he wants loyalty* and people who will look the other way while he and his family skim off money.

* - Loyalty which he, of course, is not required to return.

Exactly l.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:03:10am

re: #239 makeitstop

And we’ve got the trifecta right now.

Yep. As I’ve said, I’m fairly bullish on beating Trump but Biden winning is only the beginning.

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The Pie Overlord!  May 8, 2020 • 10:20:46am

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 10:21:19am
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Hecuba's daughter  May 8, 2020 • 10:24:49am

re: #240 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

im looking at the worldometers site

they’ve got columns for united states (among others)

total cases 1299772
total deaths 77559
total recovered 219485
leaving
active cases 1,002,728

if they’re not hospitalized, does anyone know how or even if all the ‘active’ cases are being tracked and/or resolved ?

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the “unresolved” cases are people who actually recovered. If someone is diagnosed but can be treated at home, the final results may never be reported for the official records.

The remaining Diamond Princess cases are somewhat troubling. This is an instance where people would actually be carefully tracked — and, after over 2 months, 54 cases remain active and 4 remain in serious/critical condition. So what does it take to be considered recovered?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:25:30am

re: #244 Belafon

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Don’t underestimate his blue collar background in the Rust Belt.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2020 • 10:26:35am

re: #27 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

There’s a comment at that WaPo piece by Mitch Daniels that’s really good. I felt the need to share.

Couldn’t have said it better.

Republicans are lower than shit.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 10:29:19am

re: #245 Hecuba’s daughter

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the “unresolved” cases are people who actually recovered. If someone is diagnosed but can be treated at home, the final results may never be reported for the official records.

The remaining Diamond Princess cases are somewhat troubling. This is an instance where people would actually be carefully tracked — and, after over 2 months, 54 cases remain active and 4 remain in serious/critical condition. ***So what does it take to be considered recovered?***

Exactly
And why aren’t there lots more?
Not tracking this seems…negligent? Dangerous? Thought not surprising

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Dave In Austin  May 8, 2020 • 10:30:13am
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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 10:31:33am

re: #143 lawhawk

My only question is: why did they have empty boxes in the van?

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wrenchwench  May 8, 2020 • 10:32:08am

re: #249 Dave In Austin

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Preying Mantis.

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calochortus  May 8, 2020 • 10:32:31am

re: #250 John Hughes

My only question is: why did they have empty boxes in the van?

To make the van look full. More supplies to be delivered than there actually were.

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Jay C  May 8, 2020 • 10:32:33am

re: #250 John Hughes

My only question is: why did they have empty boxes in the van?

Goes with the empty suit in the VP’s seat….

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Mike Lamb  May 8, 2020 • 10:34:41am

re: #232 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

More like 100,000-200,000+. Trump already shifted the goal post to 110,000 and we know that the number is still an underestimate.

Yep. It’s May 8th and we are still seeing mortalities from M through F exceed 2k. Even if it was only the 1500 we see on weekends, we are well north of 100k by June 1st. I respect the IHME’s efforts, but there 134k by Aug. 4th seems like beyond wishful thinking. We would surpass that on current trends even if we stayed locked down. If Spain and Italy have taught anything is that there is a really, really long tail on this thing.

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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 10:34:46am

re: #158 lawhawk

Starting to remind me of the scenes in the bunker in Lifeforce.

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 10:35:29am

re: #251 wrenchwench

Preying Mantis.

Is there a difference? //

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 10:36:25am

re: #250 John Hughes

My only question is: why did they have empty boxes in the van?

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wrenchwench  May 8, 2020 • 10:37:19am

re: #256 Belafon

Is there a difference? //

Oh, Mantis, prey for us.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 10:38:03am

The bigger ones prefer land-bound prey

Edit: I had this already in my Image Library for some reason.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 10:39:03am

re: #255 John Hughes

Starting to remind me of the scenes in the bunker in Lifeforce.

That’s an underrated movie. Plus Patrick Stewart.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 10:40:05am

re: #248 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Exactly
And why aren’t there lots more?
Not tracking this seems…negligent? Dangerous? Thought not surprising

The last update I remember was a couple of weeks ago, so I’ll accept those numbers.

There aren’t lots more cases because they were quarantined in time to limit the spread and because no matter what people say, a cruise ship is neither a packing plant nor a prison. Keeping your distance from your fellow cruisers isn’t as easy as locking yourself in your home and seeing no-one, but the long periods of time you need to infect someone (according to the latest reports) aren’t much of a problem if you know you need to do it.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 10:40:09am

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 10:40:38am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:41:24am

re: #262 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Silence from all the so called private property activists on the right. Que shock.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:41:48am

re: #263 lawhawk

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So sorry dude.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 10:43:57am

re: #259 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

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Edit: I had this already in my Image Library for some reason.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 10:46:12am

re: #261 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

The last update I remember was a couple of weeks ago, so I’ll accept those numbers.

There aren’t lots more cases because they were quarantined in time to limit the spread and because no matter what people say, a cruise ship is neither a packing plant nor a prison. Keeping your distance from your fellow cruisers isn’t as easy as locking yourself in your home and seeing no-one, but the long periods of time you need to infect someone (according to the latest reports) aren’t much of a problem if you know you need to do it.

I wasnt clear
I’m talking total active cases versus recovered
1.2m vs 200k
It doesn’t seem like a lot of “recovered”

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 10:47:28am

re: #249 Dave In Austin

We have a metric fuckton of mantids in our country. I think they will keep the murder hornets from becoming a problem.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 8, 2020 • 10:47:45am

re: #263 lawhawk

My condolences.

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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 10:48:06am

re: #259 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

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Edit: I had this already in my Image Library for some reason.

The Magic School Bus went into that movie: imdb.com.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 10:48:59am

I recently did discover someone I know has Covid. I don’t know her that well- friend of my sister in law’s sisters but she has been at a few events i’ve gone to on my sister in law’s side of the family.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 10:49:05am

re: #267 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I wasnt clear
I’m talking total active cases versus recovered
1.2m vs 200k
It doesn’t seem like a lot of “recovered”

I think a lot of that falls out of the system. People don’t report. It’s question of followup, and whether health professionals are reporting recoveries as diligently as we would need for complete data.

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plansbandc  May 8, 2020 • 10:50:37am
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 10:51:08am

re: #267 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I wasnt clear
I’m talking total active cases versus recovered
1.2m vs 200k
It doesn’t seem like a lot of “recovered”

I imagine it’s much harder to track “recovered.” And probably there’s a lot less incentive to do it.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  May 8, 2020 • 10:53:38am

By the way, the Hourly History people have a new book out on the Spanish flu, kindle version free to me when I looked at it on Amazon, and probably to everyone. They’re usually pretty good summaries.

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austin_blue  May 8, 2020 • 10:54:13am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Signs that you are bored out of your skull: Find yourself on Youtube, watching a channel that does reviews of old military rations.

Ham and Mothers. Not good.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 10:59:45am
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makeitstop  May 8, 2020 • 10:59:58am

Look closely or you’ll miss it.

moron

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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 11:02:03am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 11:02:15am

re: #278 makeitstop

Look closely or you’ll miss it.

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moron

Putz

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 11:02:42am

Chester Count, PA COVID-19 stats:
Confirmed cases: 1770 (+54)
Total tests: 8275 (+254)
Deaths: 176 (+9)

3 of the deaths in the township just south of me. Which also saw a 0.04% increase in the confirmed cases there. (Townships population is ~10,000.) Makes me wonder if there has been an outbreak in a retirement community or apartment complex there. (There are two hospitals in the township, but do they report deaths in those based on the hospital address, or the home address of the patient?)

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2020 • 11:02:42am
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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 11:02:52am

There is no hell, there is only Republican “governance.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 11:03:39am

re: #279 jaunte

Fucker.

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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 11:04:29am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  May 8, 2020 • 11:05:34am

re: #285 jaunte

That about sums it up. Punish asylum seekers but reward those who mock public health orders. Full of fucking shit.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 11:06:38am

re: #285 jaunte

I see that photo and just cringe given what would be going on if that spray bottle was contaminated with the virus.

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 11:06:57am

re: #259 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

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Edit: I had this already in my Image Library for some reason.

MST3K S08E04 The Deadly Mantis

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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 11:09:33am

re: #252 calochortus

To make the van look full. More supplies to be delivered than there actually were.

Exactly. So whether Pence actually delivered empty boxes to the door we know that the stunt was fake. The van was filled with empty boxes to make it look impressive.

These people are not very bright, are they?

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jaunte  May 8, 2020 • 11:09:34am
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Belafon  May 8, 2020 • 11:16:24am
Israeli security firm Check Point Software Technologies traced a devastating new cyber-espionage tool to the Chinese military-affiliated Naikon hacker group. The Aria-body tool can be used to remotely hijack computers to copy, delete, or create files and sift through systems’ data, and to cover its tracks to thwart detection. Check Point determined Naikon had used Aria-body to infiltrate government agencies and state-owned technology companies throughout Asia and the Pacific. Aria-body also can penetrate any computer used to open the file in which it is embedded, and rapidly force the device to follow intruders’ commands—like establishing a secret, hard-to-detect line of communication by which data on the targeted system would flow to hacker-controlled servers. Aria-body also can render itself invisible by attaching itself to various types of files, leaving no set pattern of movement.

nytimes.com

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2020 • 11:18:33am
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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 11:20:26am

re: #292 gocart mozart

And you could easily dub Trump’s voice and the body language would mirror what Trump says daily.

That girl is adorable.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 11:21:01am

re: #287 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I see that photo and just cringe given what would be going on if that spray bottle was contaminated with the virus.

i assumed it was bleach

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 11:21:50am

re: #279 jaunte

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“Well people in hell want ice water too.”

And you’re just the demon to deprive them of it too.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 11:21:58am

re: #292 gocart mozart

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worthy of a second upding

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gocart mozart  May 8, 2020 • 11:22:26am

re: #293 lawhawk
She is much more well spoken and mature.

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 11:22:47am
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gocart mozart  May 8, 2020 • 11:24:36am
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Shropshire Slasher  May 8, 2020 • 11:24:43am

re: #289 John Hughes

Exactly. So whether Pence actually delivered empty boxes to the door we know that the stunt was fake. The van was filled with empty boxes to make it look impressive.

These people are not very bright, are they?

How do you know they aren’t boxes full of paper towels?

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 11:26:03am

re: #289 John Hughes

Exactly. So whether Pence actually delivered empty boxes to the door we know that the stunt was fake. The van was filled with empty boxes to make it look impressive.

These people are not very bright, are they?

It’s all for show, all of it. That is why I have been calling this the WWE presidency from the beginning. Bluster and cock-walking is all it is. And America is proving Idiocracy should be taken seriously now.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  May 8, 2020 • 11:26:06am

re: #300 Shropshire Slasher

How do you know they aren’t boxes full of paper towels?

Remaindered Trump products. Get that little bit of extra tax right-off in.

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 11:29:52am

re: #290 jaunte

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I got mine, fuck you!

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John Hughes  May 8, 2020 • 11:30:02am

re: #300 Shropshire Slasher

Doesn’t matter. Pence’s apologists are saying that the empty boxes are not the ones Pence was delivering. Ok, we don’t know, so give them that one. But Pence’s assistant told Pence that the other boxes were empty. There is no reason to have empty cardboard boxes in the van except to make the delivery look more impressive than it was. At some point they loaded the van up and someone said “damn, it’s half empty, best put some empty boxes in to make it look full”.

Potemkin PPE.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 8, 2020 • 11:30:57am

re: #304 John Hughes

Doesn’t matter. Pence’s apologists are saying that the empty boxes are not the ones Pence was delivering. Ok, we don’t know, so give them that one. But Pence’s assistant told Pence that the other boxes were empty. There is no reason to have empty cardboard boxes in the van except to make the delivery look more impressive than it was. At some point they loaded the van up and someone said “damn, it’s half empty, best put some empty boxes in to make it look full.

Potemkin PPE.

Pence lied trees died!

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lawhawk  May 8, 2020 • 11:34:08am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 8, 2020 • 11:36:44am

re: #57 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Funny how we don’t hear takes on economic anxiety now. Unemployment is triple what it was when Obama left office. This is on Trump.

Mainly because those who hated the black man in the Oval Office are brainwashed by bullshit like this!

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Eventual Carrion  May 8, 2020 • 11:38:23am

re: #306 lawhawk

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Great, the one that spits on reporters while lying.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 11:44:34am

re: #304 John Hughes

Doesn’t matter. Pence’s apologists are saying that the empty boxes are not the ones Pence was delivering. Ok, we don’t know, so give them that one. But Pence’s assistant told Pence that the other boxes were empty. There is no reason to have empty cardboard boxes in the van except to make the delivery look more impressive than it was. At some point they loaded the van up and someone said “damn, it’s half empty, best put some empty boxes in to make it look full”.

Potemkin PPE.

does it have to be said: because they dont have enough stuff to deliver

it was a stupid stunt anyway

a president ‘volunteering’ to stand in a food line dishing out food for an hour or so is not nothing

pushing a cart of boxes that we’re gonna be wheeled in anyway? what’s the point?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  May 8, 2020 • 11:46:00am

re: #306 lawhawk

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fuck their own health - maybe trump and/or pence gave it to their aides

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CleverToad  May 8, 2020 • 12:06:55pm

re: #279 jaunte

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“Well, people in Hell want ice water too.”

THAT needs to be a national ad, on TV and the internet. Along with the WI SC judge saying that the COVID cases at the meat packing plant didn’t matter because those aren’t ‘regular people.’

There are plenty of quotes. Get their words out in public, all over the place, to the folks struggling to make their rent and put food on the table.


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