Obama Tries to Sell the Spendulus
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Barack Obama is speaking to a “retreat” for House Democrats; it’s on all the cable news channels. Here’s a thread to discuss it…
929 comments
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:43:52pm |
perhaps we could conjur up a titanboa to accompany them
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:05pm |
Wow. He just said that the trillion dollar bill might not be big enough to satisfy all the Dems' pet projects, "we may have to sacrifice".
A TRILLION DOLLARS ISN'T ENOUGH.
Good God.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:19pm |
Does this guy ever shut up about the sky is falling?
Overplayed that hand yet, Obummer?
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:47pm |
If the American public buys into this line of BS, they will get what they deserve.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:44:52pm |
it will not pass the senate as written...back to the drawing board...BO is gonna have a cow...should be fun
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:14pm |
Oh, and as noted on the previous thread, he was having trouble remembering when the "package" was first introduced.
He's been in office for 17 days.
But Bush is stupid, never forget that.
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Beach Lover Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:14pm |
I am sick of this guy already.
and he is delusional
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:23pm |
"What's wrong wth the government replacing its' cars with hybrids? It'll create jobs for the people who build them"
True, except those jobs will be in Japan, dumbass.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:35pm |
re: #5 jwb7605
If the American public buys into this line of BS, they will get what they deserve.
No shit.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:45:46pm |
When this 'cast started, it looked like Obama was trying to be a stand-up comedian, cracking jokes like "Thank you for an excuse to use Air Force One to come here..." :-%P%
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:46:09pm |
Up to us to let the cat out of the bag.
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:46:26pm |
Does this shill ever stop campaigning?
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:46:40pm |
And now, ah, he's pining for the campaign trail again. Oh my.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:46:44pm |
Oh boy, Obummer's on the TV again bad mouthing the economy for at least the third time today!
He wants stimulus?
/what a dildo!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:03pm |
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:06pm |
Campaign Promise : No entitlements
Reality: What bill of this magnitude doesn't have entitlements ?
Bull*cough*
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Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:16pm |
The sad thing is that the bailout will pass. Even the Republicans said they'd cave in as long as some changes were made. Either the Democrats will try to force it or they'll make the small changes and get it passed. It's really a choice between ultra-mega-super-deluxe screwed and just regular screwed :-p
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:19pm |
The Dems have come a long way from the philosophy of "The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself."
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Beach Lover Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:25pm |
hey, I think it's great he's not backing off this fiasco. Better to let it blow up in his face.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:27pm |
re: #16 taxfreekiller
Reid just came on the floor with the R leader and they agreed to shut down tonight, something is cooking..
10:00 tomorrow votes on amendments
I think they have the necessary 3 RINOS. They have, in effect, a veto-proof majority.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:32pm |
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:47pm |
re: #17 CynicalConservative
Does this shill ever stop campaigning?
No. We're you here for the Clinton years?
This is Slick Willie on steroids.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:49pm |
re: #21 Moonbat Serenade
Campaign Promise : No entitlements
Reality: What bill of this magnitude doesn't have entitlements ?
Bull*cough*
Well, you heard about his "most ethical administration ever" and "no lobbyists" rules, too, right?
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:47:56pm |
re: #17 CynicalConservative
Does this shill ever stop campaigning?
The era of the Perpetual Campaign™.
More seriously, give him a rest; running a campaign is the only "job" he's ever known.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:48:17pm |
He's trying to ram this mutherfrakking thing down our throats FAST because he knows that the more time people have to examine the details, the more they realize it's full of really bad stuff and turn against it.
When someone tells you "We gotta do this NOW! NOW!" you just KNOW they're trying to frell you over.
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Capitalistincharge Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:48:20pm |
Boy, Fox News is sure up his butt. He blames them all the time. This is a bunch of BS. Now he's speaking to everyones emotions...Americans elected a professional campaigner.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:48:46pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
they're talking to themselves in a mirror
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:48:49pm |
re: #17 CynicalConservative
Does this shill ever stop campaigning?
No. He learned well from his Secretary of State's husband.
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:48:54pm |
re: #25 jwb7605
I think they have the necessary 3 RINOS. They have, in effect, a veto-proof majority.
Veto Proof or Fillibuster proof? I can't imagine bambi vetoing anything his pocket congress sends to him.
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:21pm |
re: #30 Fat Jolly Penguin
The era of the Perpetual Campaign™.
More seriously, give him a rest; running a campaign is the only "job" he's ever known.
F@ck. Whur's ma sarc tag?!
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:32pm |
re: #34 Capitalistincharge
Boy, Fox News is sure up his butt. He blames them all the time. This is a bunch of BS. Now he's speaking to everyones emotions... some Americans elected a professional campaigner.
fixed it for you
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:39pm |
"No politics. We need to work together to get something done."
Rest of speech:
Politics
Politics
Politics
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:39pm |
What a great campaign speech!
Er, wait a minute...
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:47pm |
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:49:48pm |
re: #31 phoenixgirl
this is his "i have a nightmare" speech
Moonbats are scary enough, but this is a full blown Marxist moonbat, be afraid, very afraid.
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:06pm |
re: #30 Fat Jolly Penguin
The era of the Perpetual Campaign™.
More seriously, give him a rest; running a campaign is the only "job" he's ever known.
I hope there's a missing sarc tag there, I will never, ever give this shill a rest as long as he's hell-bent on selling our country down the river.
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trailortrash Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:16pm |
not even a God Bless America on the way out...
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:32pm |
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
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gman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:33pm |
Meanwhile, we're footing the bill for this "retreat".
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:42pm |
re: #42 Fat Jolly Penguin
F@ck. Whur's ma sarc tag?!
Ahhhh, much relieved. No offense on my first response.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:45pm |
Hell if things are gonna be that bad we need to up the price of this bill to 45 trillion. Build more printing presses and get them running NOW
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Fat Jolly Penguin Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:50:47pm |
re: #49 CynicalConservative
I hope there's a missing sarc tag there, I will never, ever give this shill a rest as long as he's hell-bent on selling our country down the river.
See #42.
Only sarc on the give-him-a-rest bit, though.
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HippieforLife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:05pm |
re: #5 jwb7605
Those who voted for him have already bought it! (in more ways than they ever imagined).
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vxbush Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:08pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
Careful; you'll end up sounding like tfk. Who is starting to sound more sane every day.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:10pm |
No questions on camera? What's the matter po' wittle Barry? Can't run the prompter for them, sound like an idiot?
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godfrey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:11pm |
The more he yells Now, the more Americans should smell a rat.
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USCMSNE Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:18pm |
I don't think I've ever heard anyone so condescending. I never thought the President could ever be so un-Presidential.
Someone needs to remind him, before he disrespects past presidents anymore, that the Congress is responsible for the majority of this nations problems. They control the budget, they control the intake of revenue, they are the ones who fucked over the housing market and they are the ones who are going to drive us into hyperinflation.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:28pm |
Interesting, they cut to colorbars Really Dang Quick there. Usually they just let the camera keep running. What's up with that?
Didn't want to run the risk of an offhand comment by someone in the room might be picked up and run with by the Blogosphere?
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:36pm |
re: #52 gman
Meanwhile, we're footing the bill for this "retreat".
You could get a used corporate jet for that kind of money.
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:50pm |
PLEASE write or call your representatives in Congress and raise hell. Does this bill still include billions for ACORN or is it being siphoned through Bank of America and then given to ACORN? I've been hearing/reading so many different possible versions of this stimulus package, I'm punchy.
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:51:50pm |
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GotFrags? Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:06pm |
Someone please correct me, but did he attempt a bit of comedy by saying at the outset that, in his spare time, Rahm Emmanuel teaches profanity to underprivileged youth?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:23pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
It's good to finally have you with us brother.
/s
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Capitalistincharge Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:33pm |
re: #51 Charles
I've been feeling the same way. It feels like the world is upside down er something.
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CynicalConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:37pm |
re: #56 Fat Jolly Penguin
See #42.
Only sarc on the give-him-a-rest bit, though.
Perpetual Campaign is so true.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:47pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
That would be a heavy blow to this community as well as whats good for our country, if nothing else you help keep me sane, and I thank you for that.
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:52:52pm |
re: #67 GotFrags?
Someone please correct me, but did he attempt a bit of comedy by saying at the outset that, in his spare time, Rahm Emmanuel teaches profanity to underprivileged youth?
Yep. Now THAT'S Presidential !
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JacksonTn Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:07pm |
re: #6 albusteve
it will not pass the senate as written...back to the drawing board...BO is gonna have a cow...should be fun
Delicious ...if it were not for the country having to bend over because of the democrats spendorama ...
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:08pm |
I don't think that Obamao understands that most people in America are not miserable and defeated ignoramuses who need stuffed pork to make their lives worth living.
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VioletTiger Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:12pm |
I left the room after he told them they acted with restraint. They're like pigs at the trough, looking for their socialist slop.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:24pm |
re: #67 GotFrags?
Someone please correct me, but did he attempt a bit of comedy by saying at the outset that, in his spare time, Rahm Emmanuel teaches profanity to underprivileged youth?
Well, the next generation of rap artists have to come from somewhere.
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:25pm |
Just give him the effin money. Then he'll at least say things are better, and walah, they will be. Except for 900 billion dollars in pork.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:39pm |
How soon till this over-the-top campaign speach press conference shows up on YouTube and LiveLeak for us to kibitz?
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:52pm |
Obama's mobilizing the vocal left, which of course includes the media. Watch for an all-out blitz tomorrow designed to make anyone who doesn't eat this giant shit sandwich a pariah.
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tjexcite Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:53:52pm |
re: #31 phoenixgirl
this is his "i have a nightmare" speech
Absolutely. He is still campaigning even though he has the job.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:07pm |
re: #65 twincitiesgirl
PLEASE write or call your representatives in Congress and raise hell. Does this bill still include billions for ACORN or is it being siphoned through Bank of America and then given to ACORN? I've been hearing/reading so many different possible versions of this stimulus package, I'm punchy.
Why? Both the Dems and Repubs want this, in one flavor or the other. They all have a lot of special interest to pay back. Calling or writing or what ever is not going to change anything.
Stone cold bet.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:10pm |
re: #63 CyanSnowHawk
You could get a used corporate jet for that kind of money.
$500k?
Not one I'd fly on.
Add a zero, and you could probably find an old Lear or something.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:11pm |
re: #59 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
No questions on camera? What's the matter po' wittle Barry? Can't run the prompter for them, sound like an idiot?
Transparency
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Empire1 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:16pm |
I am so glad we don't have children to be pauperized by this "man" and his policies!
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:26pm |
CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.
CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.
So, who are we supposed to believe, Obama or the Congressional Budget Office?
/because someone's lying their ass off
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:36pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
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gman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:54:37pm |
re: #1 Viking6
perhaps we could conjur up a titanboa to accompany them
This stimulus bill in its present form is a titanboa poised to constrict.
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:05pm |
Wasn't it the Dems who claimed that Republicans were the ones who used fear to sell their proposals?
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:11pm |
re: #73 JacksonTn
Delicious ...if it were not for the country having to bend over because of the democrats spendorama ...
for two years at the best...these bills can be overturned then and the donks discredited...that's the plan anyway...it's not the end of the world but it might be the end of BO
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GotFrags? Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:17pm |
re: #72 Moonbat Serenade
Yep. Now THAT'S Presidential !
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Good grief......it's worse than I could have ever imagined.
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:21pm |
re: #63 CyanSnowHawk
You could get a used corporate jet for that kind of money.
The engines and avionics would be extra.
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:30pm |
I also liked the opening line-
Thanks for giving me an excuse to use Air Force 1. It's nice.
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Roses Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:44pm |
He has just gone to war against the American people. Anyone who criticizes this bill is clinging to the past, the same old tired ways... he says.
The framing has begun. He is positioning, he is CAMPAIGNING! Not for office, but to win on this issue.
Anyone who criticizes the PORK bill is being portrayed as holding on to the past.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:49pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
I hearted your comment Charles.. I think all of us at one time or another just want to throw up our hands and walk away..Sometimes the frustrations are unbelievable and frankly sometimes just stupid..
But we walk away..stop..turn around..roll up our sleeves and go back to work..
Because we love America..
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:55:55pm |
re: #74 rightymouse
I don't think that Obamao understands that most people in America are not miserable and defeated ignoramuses who need stuffed pork to make their lives worth living.
Hell I wonder if he understands he is the President.
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:05pm |
re: #88 gman
I was thinking on a more positive note, something that big can swallow a lot of pork producers..er product.
/
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:05pm |
re: #82 lobo91
$500k?
Not one I'd fly on.
Add a zero, and you could probably find an old Lear or something.
But I was assuming that there is currently an oversupply in the market for them right now.
/Try not to overanalyze the jokes please.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:21pm |
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:25pm |
Came in late down thread but this also fits here:
This is where the term "the hustle" originated. (no, no not the dance craze. shut up)
This is the time during a scam that the mark is kept busy with trying to keep track of stuff that has no bearing on the important thing -- the money. He's bombarded with rapid fire frantic speech and confusing directions sometimes even physically pushed along/around. All the while the actual money is being switched out for bad or hidden and a container that is supposed to have the cash in it is produced. In magic it's called "patter" this is where the performer chats up the audience, makes them laugh, directs their attention elsewhere while the target object is palmed or hidden. Then after a whirlwind of action and talk all of a sudden the deed is done and the mark is standing there with an empty wallet/envelope/handkerchief and the "players" have all disappeared.
This is what the Osshole is doing now. Get the stuff out there now while the media is still in love with him (you remember the beginning of a love affair? When you do anything and overlook anything for the object of your affection.) and isn't asking the right questions cause THEY WANT TO BELIEVE but deep down they know he's going to break their hearts.
His goal is to get the money approved NOW then deal with the fallout later when it's too late to stop.
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:41pm |
re: #77 kansas
Just give him the effin money. Then he'll at least say things are better, and walah, they will be. Except for 900 billion dollars in pork.
Thing is it's been tried before.
Hoover / Roosevelt lengthened the depression by at least 7 years more likely 11.
We follow the Reagan model we're out in 2-4.
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JacksonTn Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:44pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
Sing it brotha ...ITA ..
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curt9988 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:45pm |
Playing on our fears to expand the power of government. Where have I heard this before?
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:48pm |
maybe al gore is on to something, we all are thinking the "old" way...we need to start thinking the "new" way
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:49pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
Why? Both the Dems and Repubs want this, in one flavor or the other. They all have a lot of special interest to pay back. Calling or writing or what ever is not going to change anything.
Stone cold bet.
some of us are still in the game...it aint over yet
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huckfunn Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:56:53pm |
WOW! What we really need is a Czar for the Department of Malaise. I recommend dhimmie carter. But, wait.... doesn't he have peanut problems? What will we do?
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Roses Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:57:16pm |
That's all he knows how to do is campaign. That's what he is doing now. Campaigning against us.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:57:30pm |
re: #79 Sosigado
Obama's mobilizing the vocal left, which of course includes the media. Watch for an all-out blitz tomorrow designed to make anyone who doesn't eat this giant shit sandwich a pariah.
If they try to hard at it, though, it could backfire. Majorly.
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:57:45pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
Why? Both the Dems and Repubs want this, in one flavor or the other. They all have a lot of special interest to pay back. Calling or writing or what ever is not going to change anything.
Stone cold bet.
You're undoubtedly more pragmatic about the way you look at this than I am. I'm not going down without a fight. I have kids, and they will have kids and I will not abandon ship on my watch or whatever the saying is.....and leave this mess to our kids.
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DEZes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:00pm |
re: #100 Charles
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
Thats so we can smell where its coming from. ;)
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:12pm |
re: #108 Roses
That's all he knows how to do is campaign. That's what he is doing now. Campaigning against us.
it's for our own good... we don't know any better.../
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committed Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:13pm |
When is he going to realize he's not on the campaign trail any longer? The polls don't show support for this package. Period.
But he professes to want to listen to the people. BAH!
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HippieforLife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:14pm |
re: #67 GotFrags?
Someone please correct me, but did he attempt a bit of comedy by saying at the outset that, in his spare time, Rahm Emmanuel teaches profanity to underprivileged youth?
Boy that was a real knee slapper! NOT
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tjexcite Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:23pm |
Barry was acting like he was at one of the campaign rallies. That is not what a president does so close to being in. The fact he even needs to get some support or cover tell that this whole thing is DOA and his political capital is already in default.
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iceman1960 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:58:28pm |
I find it amusing that Barry talked of changing the way things were done in Washington but when he talks about the pork in this package he tries to white wash it with "you guys all know this is how it goes around here"
Barry is full of BS and has been from day one.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:08pm |
re: #102 jcm
Thing is it's been tried before. Hoover / Roosevelt lengthened the depression by at least 7 years more likely 11.
We follow the Reagan model we're out in 2-4.
There's no more Reagan's left. It's over.
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:18pm |
re: #97 screaming_eagle
Hell I wonder if he understands he is the President.
The Presidency is a means to an end for him, it seems.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:27pm |
re: #100 Charles
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
What kind of wine Charles? It better be Napa! *wink*
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:28pm |
re: #100 Charles
I'm glad you feel better. Please don't give up, we need people like you. You have true voice, you reach out to people in ways some of us only dream about. If you wave the white flag, I will know we really are doomed.
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:29pm |
He tried to equate the last 8 years as being the problem with overspending? Bush failed because he didn't overspend enough based on this monstrosity they are trying to sell.
It seems he's trying to beat Bush right out of the gate with MORE spending to show he has a BIGGER deficit?
JUST SAY NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:36pm |
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pink freud Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:41pm |
re: #116 iceman1960
I find it amusing that Barry talked of changing the way things were done in Washington but when he talks about the pork in this package he tries to white wash it with "you guys all know this is how it goes around here"
Barry is full of BS and has been from day one.
Barack 0bama is a con man of the highest order.
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:50pm |
"This is not a game"
Further down in the speech
"You all know how the game is played around here."
Where's my blood pressure medicine ?
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committed Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:50pm |
Don't you guys know that "stimulus" means spend, spend, spend? sarc/
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 5:59:54pm |
re: #100 Charles
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
The stink won't change, Charles. The only good news is that it stinks less than most all other political systems.
/well, used to, anyway.
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:00pm |
Suppose re: #118 rightymouse
The Presidency is a means to an end for him, it seems.
The end of the USA perhaps?
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:00pm |
re: #109 NomadOfNorad
If they try to hard at it, though, it could backfire. Majorly.
They don't care. The left in this country is maniacally emboldened right now.
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HippieforLife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:03pm |
re: #74 rightymouse
Exactly. He is also under the impression that ALL of the people in this country voted for him.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:05pm |
re: #119 HoosierHoops
What kind of wine Charles? It better be Napa! *wink*
Are you trying to implement a "buy American" rule?
Trying to start a trade war, are we?!
/
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:07pm |
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:26pm |
re: #113 committed
When is he going to realize he's not on the campaign trail any longer? The polls don't show support for this package. Period. But he professes to want to listen to the people. BAH!
The poles didn't show support for the package Bush pushed, but the politicians passed it anyway.
Why do you think our position on the bill has any effect on it?
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:46pm |
re: #110 twincitiesgirl
and leave this mess to ourmy kids.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:00:51pm |
re: #109 NomadOfNorad
If they try to hard at it, though, it could backfire. Majorly.
PIMF: Try TOO hard at it!
[Starts stomping on his keyboard...]
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:01:05pm |
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Syrah Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:02:07pm |
The left has convinced themselves that Reagan was nothing but a politician with charisma. Thats how they can justify in their mind comparing Obama to Reagan.
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pat Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:02:13pm |
Wonder if Barney Frank will suggest that Americans should be allowed to make a bit extra opening gay whorehouses in their basements?
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:02:27pm |
re: #131 Charles
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
Yep, last week, it was the GOP at a luxury retreat, now the Dems. Didn't they get the memo.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:02:45pm |
re: #131 Charles
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
Why does everyone forget the hookers... sleek, expensive hookers... ?
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Capitalistincharge Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:02:50pm |
He is treating everyone who disagrees with this spending bill as though we are idiots and don't know enough to understand why he thinks it is all necessary. He minimized and insulted 50% of the American population in this speech. His ego dismisses critics as imbeciles which will, eventually, bring his administration down. He does not treat Americans with respect.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:17pm |
This may sound alarmist or sophmoric but;
TAX STRIKE. They can't spend it if they don't have it.
Maybe there's some good to come out of this. Maybe these nutjobs have finally taken one step too far and now even the moonbats can see they're making no sense.
I like the teabag idea. Carry it one step further; file your tax return with no payment. The catch is that enough folks have to do it for it to work.
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mean Gene Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:22pm |
re: #131 Charles
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
Hasty Generalization much?
I know plenty of poor Democrats and near-poor Republicans.
Clarify that you meant officeholders or appointees or something.
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phoenixgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:29pm |
re: #138 avanti
Yep, last week, it was the GOP at a luxury retreat, now the Dems. Didn't they get the memo.
they were too busy telling banks, insco's and car co.'s what they were allowed to do...
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:32pm |
re: #131 Charles
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
We've developed a political class, the very thing the founders worried about.
The idea of the citizen legislator is long gone.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:35pm |
re: #37 CynicalConservative
Veto Proof or Fillibuster proof? I can't imagine bambi vetoing anything his pocket congress sends to him.
Both.
(sorry for the late reply, I got called for supper, and it was an offer I could not refuse!)
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:44pm |
just heard this on Hewitt...........
The New Diplomacy
By Tarzana Joe
A hopeful day is dawning
And the changing has begun
Let’s all get down to business
But remember that I won
We’re going to change America
And reason not the cost
I’d love to hear your thinking
But remember that you lost
To this little wine and cheese
I bi-partisan-ly greet you
Before we get to the agenda
Did I mention that I beat you
When it comes to picking policy
There can only be one chooser
Now I am the decider
And you, friend, are the loser
The deficit is larger
And the GDP is thinner
But that’s the way I want it
And guess what? I’m the winner
The government is growing
And I hope you know your place in it
And every chance I get
I’m going to rub your face in it.
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pat Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:54pm |
This may be the most irresponsible spending bill in the history of the nation. As good as Roosevlts roads to nowhere.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:03:57pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
Because it's all about feelings, doncha know. Everybody needs to feel like life is great.
And to make life great for everyone, well, gee, we can't have our leader encouraging people to count their blessings for what they do have, for what all of us in this country have, now can we?
Nope, he's got to make sure people are upset over whatever it is people don't have at this particular moment in their lives, wah-wah-wah - so that he can be The Best President Evah and provide it for us.
Instead of people counting their blessings for what they do have.
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:01pm |
re: #127 kansas
Suppose
The end of the USA perhaps?
What would that serve him, exactly? Not much.
That said, socialists don't much understand that socialism is a losing proposition even for the elitists. Things fall down and go 'boom' pretty quickly.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:01pm |
re: #137 pat
Wonder if Barney Frank will suggest that Americans should be allowed to make a bit extra opening gay whorehouses in their basements?
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but not funny. If it was just a slam on Frank, then, he's a public figure and he "opens" himself to it.
Bringing other Americans into this, gay or otherwise seems like a really cheap shot.
IMHO
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:10pm |
Socialism is coming to a theater near you. Whatever you do, don't buy a ticket.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:11pm |
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:18pm |
re: #128 Sosigado
They don't care. The left in this country is maniacally emboldened right now.
Which means they'll overreach, and it'll backfire. Majorly. Limbaugh has been predicting THAT since even before Obama was elected.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:18pm |
re: #79 Sosigado
Obama's mobilizing the vocal left, which of course includes the media. Watch for an all-out blitz tomorrow designed to make anyone who doesn't eat this giant shit sandwich a pariah.
They're also innoculating themselves against the eventual failure of this mess to fix anything.
Once it blows up in their faces, they'll be able to go back and blame all the evil right-wing talk radio people and such for causing it to be delayed by stupid stuff like debating what was in it, and bingo! They're off the hook.
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Archimedes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:24pm |
re: #100 Charles
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
Not the system, the people in it!
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Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:31pm |
That was the most frightening political speech I have ever heard in my life.
And from the previous topic, Bill O'Reilly is the larve of the new media. Yetzer hatov/yetzer hara.
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committed Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:38pm |
It takes someone special to be a politician.........There is an ongoing fight in their brains. "How can I pay back the people who financed my campaign to get me here and do the right thing at the same time?" Impossible!
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:04:39pm |
re: #140 Capitalistincharge
He is treating everyone who disagrees with this spending bill as though we are idiots and don't know enough to understand why he thinks it is all necessary. He minimized and insulted 50% of the American population in this speech. His ego dismisses critics as imbeciles which will, eventually, bring his administration down. He does not treat Americans with respect.
Knda like a leftie on a conservative blog.:)
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anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:05:01pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
Because they'd choke on trying to tell the truth...
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:05:19pm |
re: #141 jcw46
This may sound alarmist or sophmoric but;
TAX STRIKE. They can't spend it if they don't have it.Maybe there's some good to come out of this. Maybe these nutjobs have finally taken one step too far and now even the moonbats can see they're making no sense.
I like the teabag idea. Carry it one step further; file your tax return with no payment. The catch is that enough folks have to do it for it to work.
exactly...no funds no feds
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iceman1960 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:05:42pm |
Barry needs a moniker like "Honest" Barry.
I mean we are talking used car salesman leadership here.
He reminds me of a guy known as Honest Pod (a used car salesman that used to live around here).
He would have crap like a used bread delivery truck setting on his gravel lot and he'd write things on the windows like "Sweet Baby" or "Too hot to handle".
I'm sorry Barry but it doesn't matter what you call a used Hugo it's still a piece of crap.
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:05:51pm |
re: #129 HippieforLife
Exactly. He is also under the impression that ALL of the people in this country voted for him.
We didn't. He'll have to get over that fact one of these days.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:06:00pm |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but not funny. If it was just a slam on Frank, then, he's a public figure and he "opens" himself to it.
Bringing other Americans into this, gay or otherwise seems like a really cheap shot.
IMHO
Isn't Sen. Frank known for allowing just that sort of operation to operate from his basement? Seemed to be a pretty spot-on joke to me.
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Irenike Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:06:17pm |
I detest the way this president is making it all sound so urgent. It's like the con artist who says: "You gotta buy this right now, right now, don't wait!"
I'll bet he put more planning into his wardrobe than he did into this horrible "stimulus" package. The whole thing stinks of government expansion on borrowed money. Mark my words, this will do nothing to stimulate anything, except the egos of those who vote for it. The rest of us will get taxed to death to keep the government solvent.
I wish the f-ing Republicans would stand firm and tell him to shove it. Then, when it all explodes, they can say: "I told you so." But the Republicans seem to be trying to decide at what price they'll allow President Spendthrift to buy them off.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:06:44pm |
Republicans need to start fighting back. This is a knife fight and their bullshit collegial ‘my esteemed colleague’ approach doesn’t work…mainly because the Democrats started the knife fight and know they’re in one.
One idea is for Republicans to start using the words Radical and Extreme in all of their talking points describing the Democrats. The Democrats and their media PR firm have been labeling everything extreme when it comes to Republicans, no matter how patently untrue. And it works. It’s branding and they have succeeded in associating that word in much of the public’s mind with Republican and conservative ideas.
And there’s an added bonus for any weak knees that might think this is going over the line……..it’s actually true when describing Democrats.
Time to goddammed fight back and start using their tactics on them. I’m tired of this fight being a one way street.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:06:48pm |
re: #156 Sheepdogess
That was the most frightening political speech I have ever heard in my life.
And from the previous topic, Bill O'Reilly is the larve of the new media. Yetzer hatov/yetzer hara.
Good cop/bad cop, it's all for ratings. Not for journalistic integrity, not for anything.
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Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:06:55pm |
One of the great mysteries of life in America... Mary Matalin and John Carville.
Whoda thunk it?
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:07:09pm |
re: #141 jcw46
This may sound alarmist or sophmoric but;
TAX STRIKE. They can't spend it if they don't have it.Maybe there's some good to come out of this. Maybe these nutjobs have finally taken one step too far and now even the moonbats can see they're making no sense.
I like the teabag idea. Carry it one step further; file your tax return with no payment. The catch is that enough folks have to do it for it to work.
They already don't have it, and are spending twice that theoretical amount.
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:07:36pm |
re: #141 jcw46
This may sound alarmist or sophmoric but;
TAX STRIKE. They can't spend it if they don't have it.Maybe there's some good to come out of this. Maybe these nutjobs have finally taken one step too far and now even the moonbats can see they're making no sense.
I like the teabag idea. Carry it one step further; file your tax return with no payment. The catch is that enough folks have to do it for it to work.
Obama wants to be Lincoln, so he divides the country, pushes people into lawlessness, tax cheating, advocating violence against the governmnet, secession.....I've heard that's all on the net. What did Lincoln do? Suspended habeas corpus, arrested judges that didn't agree with him, and saved the union with the army.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:07:46pm |
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:07:48pm |
re: #150 Walter L. Newton
I think that was a not so well thought out slam at frank cause of his lover running a gay whorehouse in frank's basement. I know I can't speak for him I'm just guessing.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:08:08pm |
re: #161 iceman1960
Barry needs a moniker like "Honest" Barry.
I mean we are talking used car salesman leadership here.
He reminds me of a guy known as Honest Pod (a used car salesman that used to live around here).
He would have crap like a used bread delivery truck setting on his gravel lot and he'd write things on the windows like "Sweet Baby" or "Too hot to handle".
I'm sorry Barry but it doesn't matter what you call a used Hugo it's still a piece of crap.
I'm thinking that everybody should probably stay away from 'Black-Barry.'
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:08:55pm |
re: #172 CyanSnowHawk
I'm thinking that everybody should probably stay away from 'Black-Barry.'
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Crack-Barry?
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thefarmer Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:08:55pm |
re: #93 Moonbat Serenade
I also liked the opening line-
Thanks for giving me an excuse to use Air Force 1. It's nice.
Well it showed his true colors. We're headed for a financial "CATASTROPHE", but it's nice he gets an excuse to use his perks.
THAT is the line that should be headlines tomorrow, sadly it won't.
T
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:09:30pm |
re: #171 jcw46
I think that was a not so well thought out slam at frank cause of his lover running a gay whorehouse in frank's basement. I know I can't speak for him I'm just guessing.
I took it the same way.
When it's something that's actually happened, don't think it's a cheap shot.
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:09:55pm |
re: #161 iceman1960
Barry needs a moniker like "Honest" Barry.
I mean we are talking used car salesman leadership here.
He reminds me of a guy known as Honest Pod (a used car salesman that used to live around here).
He would have crap like a used bread delivery truck setting on his gravel lot and he'd write things on the windows like "Sweet Baby" or "Too hot to handle".
I'm sorry Barry but it doesn't matter what you call a used Hugo it's still a piece of crap.
A used Hugo? A Hugo is a gold statue they award great science fiction writers with. I think you meant a used Yugo here.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:10:07pm |
re: #161 iceman1960
Barry needs a moniker like "Honest" Barry.
I mean we are talking used car salesman leadership here.
He reminds me of a guy known as Honest Pod (a used car salesman that used to live around here).
He would have crap like a used bread delivery truck setting on his gravel lot and he'd write things on the windows like "Sweet Baby" or "Too hot to handle".
I'm sorry Barry but it doesn't matter what you call a used Hugo it's still a piece of crap.
Considering what he's doing to our economy, any play on "Barry" and "Bury" would be appropriate.
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:10:21pm |
re: #141 jcw46
This may sound alarmist or sophmoric but;
TAX STRIKE. They can't spend it if they don't have it.Maybe there's some good to come out of this. Maybe these nutjobs have finally taken one step too far and now even the moonbats can see they're making no sense.
I like the teabag idea. Carry it one step further; file your tax return with no payment. The catch is that enough folks have to do it for it to work.
Unfortunately he has tied that idea up with the masses getting credits. He is borrowing against the future and taking from the very rich (who he hopes he can send to jail and confiscate ALL their holdings, except Soros' ... oh and any democrat in his vicinity who might have unpaid taxes)
The sad thing is he will tax US businesses out of business. His solution is to enlist the population in community service, tie everyone to his big government boob....eew!
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:10:27pm |
I would equate the current status of the One's governance to the description provided by Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity...
as mass is added to a degenerate star a sudden collapse will take place and the intense gravitational field of the star will close in on itself. Such a star then forms a "black hole" in the universe.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:10:34pm |
re: #130 Occasional Reader
Are you trying to implement a "buy American" rule?
Trying to start a trade war, are we?!
/
I like French wine..Does that count?
Growing up in Napa Valley..we had access to wine our whole young under 21 life..
When we would sneak our high school parties..If somebody came over on the friday night when no parent was home..and they would bring you a bottle of wine..It was like..
Dude they are 20 cases in the friggin garage..Doesn't anybody know how to buy a beer? We can't find one guy that looks 21 to buy us a f'n 6 pack?
Beer was like gold..
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Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:10:44pm |
re: #164 Irenike
I detest the way this president is making it all sound so urgent. It's like the con artist who says: "You gotta buy this right now, right now, don't wait!"
Call in the next 10 minutes and we'll double the spending for free !
This bill isn't ShamWow's, Barry....
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committed Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:15pm |
Barrack is like a dog chasing a car. He caught the car and now he doesn't really know what to do with it. Its bigger than he is.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:17pm |
re: #182 Moonbat Serenade
Call in the next 10 minutes and we'll double the spending for free !
This bill isn't ShamWow's, Barry....
...and I don't like that he's nuts!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:19pm |
re: #174 thefarmer
Well it showed his true colors. We're headed for a financial "CATASTROPHE", but it's nice he gets an excuse to use his perks.
THAT is the line that should be headlines tomorrow, sadly it won't.
T
Wait... that retreat was in WVa, right?
What does it cost to fire up Air Force 1 to go from Andrews AFB the, what? 200 miles, short hop to WVa?
Talk about over-indulgence... no more lectures to Detroit execs for you buster!
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:27pm |
re: #176 lobo91
I took it the same way.
When it's something that's actually happened, don't think it's a cheap shot.
I thought it was funny and timely as well...some people have a stunted sense of humor
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FlakMusic Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:29pm |
re: #156 Sheepdogess
That was the most frightening political speech I have ever heard in my life.
Second only to his SCHIP speech yesterday in which he subtly positioned big government as mommy and daddy, and said that the new and expanded SCHIP was just the first step on his pledge to achieve universal coverage.
It was chilling.
He only cares about the economy insofar as it aids him in getting the country good and socialized.
He's America's first Community Activist In Chief.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:51pm |
re: #183 committed
Barrack is like a dog chasing a car. He caught the car and now he doesn't really know what to do with it. Its bigger than he is.
Perfect description of his election! Updinged and favorited!
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:11:55pm |
re: #131 Charles
And now all these Democrats will go and eat the best food, drink the best liquor, and drift off to sleep in luxurious suites.
Just like the Republicans are doing.
The MSM shows CEO's on private company jets, their salaries and the retreats of bailout corporations.
This meeting is on our tab also, but will we see the price tag?
Hey government...if we're eating spam and beans I expect you to do the same.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:04pm |
re: #171 jcw46
I think that was a not so well thought out slam at frank cause of his lover running a gay whorehouse in frank's basement. I know I can't speak for him I'm just guessing.
I know what the reference was. But I just didn't think "pat" should be speaking for OTHER gay Americans. As cliche as it sounds, being in theatre I know a lot of gay people, and none of them I know would be ever considering opening a gay brothel in their basement, house, apartment or travel trailer.
I thought the remark was bigoted. Ok.
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J.S. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:13pm |
re: #8 Occasional Reader
Oh, and as noted on the previous thread, he was having trouble remembering when the "package" was first introduced.
I believe that Obama has a "problem" with numbers...(i'm not joking). Is Obama number blind?
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:30pm |
re: #177 NomadOfNorad
A used Hugo? A Hugo is a gold statue they award
greatpopular science fiction writers with. I think you meant a used Yugo here.
It's a fan vote for the Hugo, but even at that, it does manage to find the good stuff.
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iceman1960 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:32pm |
re: #177 NomadOfNorad
Yeah it made such an impact on the auto industry I forgot what the commies were calling it.
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Roses Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:35pm |
Don't knock the Republicans. They are our only hope. reluctant maybe, kicking and screaming, maybe, but we need them. And we need them to stand strong!
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mfarmer1 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:12:58pm |
re: #100 Charles
OK, I washed my face, had a glass of wine, and I'm feeling a little better.
And our political system still reeks.
Most of us here I believe have long ago if ever looked to Washington or our respective state capitals for guidance or assistance. We're already way better off, especially in difficult economic times than those who have called "all in" and are just hoping that someone/something else comes to take care of their every need.
In my case...Washington D.C.? Sacramento? No big woop.
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:03pm |
re: #185 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Really he could have taken Marine One instead.
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committed Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:18pm |
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:28pm |
re: #158 avanti
Knda like a leftie on a conservative blog.:)
Don't you have a boxed wine and Cheeze Whiz grassroots economic party to organize or something for Obama? If so, you better get cracking and get those engraved invitations ready.
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Yankee Division Son Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:38pm |
He's gonna give another speech Monday? So I'm wondering if every time there's a problem he'll just give a speech. Sir, with all due respect, it may have worked for you in the past, and it may have worked to get you into the office, but I think you're in for a rude awakening...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:43pm |
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:13:52pm |
re: #179 Right mind left
Unfortunately he has tied that idea up with the masses getting credits. He is borrowing against the future and taking from the very rich (who he hopes he can send to jail and confiscate ALL their holdings, except Soros' ... oh and any democrat in his vicinity who might have unpaid taxes)
The sad thing is he will tax US businesses out of business. His solution is to enlist the population in community service, tie everyone to his big government boob....eew!
Well, NO. That's my point. I think enough people (people that voted for this a$$face) are seeing that HE'S COMING FOR THEIR MONEY. If that becomes widespread, He's toast and so are the DEMS.
You know the old saying; "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves"
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:00pm |
re: #192 J.S.
I believe that Obama has a "problem" with numbers...(i'm not joking). Is Obama number blind?
You're not kidding:
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:04pm |
re: #179 Right mind left
The sad thing is he will tax US businesses out of business. His solution is to enlist the population in community service, tie everyone to his big government boob....eew!
Well, he does seem to want everybody sucking off the government's teat.
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Bob Dillon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:14pm |
re: #9 Beach Lover
I am sick of this guy already.
and he is delusional
I am sure you meant it started 2 years ago and still are sick of him.
/
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McJenny50 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:33pm |
How hard do you suppose it would be to recall the whole lot of them?
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:43pm |
re: #158 avanti
To be honest Avanti, I consider myself conservative, and I would qualify LGF as probably leaning more libertarian.
Perhaps I could be wrong, and certainly no offense meant if I am.
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:14:48pm |
re: #180 Viking6
I would equate the current status of the One's governance to the description provided by Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity...
as mass is added to a degenerate star a sudden collapse will take place and the intense gravitational field of the star will close in on itself. Such a star then forms a "black hole" in the universe.
Oooh, quote mining time
Affirmative Action interprets this to be:
According to Albert Einstein........."A degenerate .....collapse..... will take place..then form...the universe."
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blangwort Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:15:27pm |
re: #17 CynicalConservative
Does this shill ever stop campaigning?
No. And neither did Bill Clinton. GWB could have done the same, but I doubt that he'd have gotten a fair shake from those people who call themselves Journalists.
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Irenike Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:15:43pm |
The reason Obama won is because he promised to give people something for nothing. He promised a free lunch. And people believe this crap. They think they will come out ahead, on somebody else's dime.
A musician friend of mine voted for him because he said he would support the arts. My friend didn't take into account the fact that the rich folks might quit coming to her concerts, or paying for her private lessons, when Uncle Sam takes too big a bite out of their earnings.
Something will give. Either the taxpayers will quit working so hard (and so wealth will decline and people will lose jobs) or the most productive brains will move somewhere else where they won't get taxed as much. And then, what you have left is a place like France: Quasi-socialist, embittered, crappy service, no innovation, but lots of vacation time and lots of welfare.
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Truck Monkey Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:15:44pm |
re: #144 jcm
We've developed a political class, the very thing the founders worried about.
The idea of the citizen legislator is long gone.
Do you mean Bawneey Fwank is not a farmer?
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Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:15:55pm |
re: #187 FlakMusic
Second only to his SCHIP speech yesterday in which he subtly positioned big government as mommy and daddy, and said that the new and expanded SCHIP was just the first step on his pledge to achieve universal coverage.
It was chilling.
He only cares about the economy insofar as it aids him in getting the country good and socialized.
He's America's first
Communitycommie Activist In Chief.
FTFY
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:15:57pm |
re: #187 FlakMusic
Second only to his SCHIP speech yesterday in which he subtly positioned big government as mommy and daddy, and said that the new and expanded SCHIP was just the first step on his pledge to achieve universal coverage.
It was chilling.
He only cares about the economy insofar as it aids him in getting the country good and socialized.
He's America's first Community Activist In Chief.
DING DING DING
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J.S. Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:01pm |
re: #200 Yankee Division Son
I get the feeling that the "speech" on Monday (which has been repeated over and over by the MSM -- "Wait for that speech on Monday!") I don't think it's going to be "just words" -- it will be doing something...(something drastic? nationalization of banks? what does The Zero have planned?)
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:14pm |
Ooooohhhhh boyyyyy..... Whoopi Goldberg is on Hannity right now... :-%P%
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:22pm |
re: #195 Roses
Don't knock the Republicans. They are our only hope. reluctant maybe, kicking and screaming, maybe, but we need them. And we need them to stand strong!
Help me Obi Ron Kenobi, you're our only hope.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:27pm |
re: #191 Walter L. Newton
Yeah, that's why I said it wasn't well thought out. Too much leeway to be taken wrong.
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Syrah Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:30pm |
Not to worry folks.
The Republicans will do the right thing . . . after they have exhausted all the other options.
(Apologies to W.Churchill.)
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Viking6 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:16:42pm |
re: #201 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
probably didn't want to wait in line.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:17:01pm |
re: #207 formercorpsman
To be honest Avanti, I consider myself conservative, and I would qualify LGF as probably leaning more libertarian.
Perhaps I could be wrong, and certainly no offense meant if I am.
My philosophy is that eventually all things boil down to a binary decision.
Which means you are either left or right of the mythical center.
Libertarian passes for Conservative, which passes for Classic Liberal nowdays.
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Der Hirn Fanger Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:17:15pm |
You know, I didn't despise Obama until this very speech. I've always generally disagreed with him, but he really came off, not as a president here, but as an a**hole. He is condescending and offers up ridiculous straw man arguments instead of answering legitimate criticism.
How about when he said "They ask why spend 800 million when we have huge deficits...but those deficits were here when I moved in." Then he goes on blaming Bush?
He blatantly lies about what affect this bill will have on the economy. He talks about greening buildings to save money? He says that letting the NHS spend 81 million to MOVE into a new building will save lives?
Even Clinton had more class than Obama.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:17:33pm |
re: #199 rightymouse
Don't you have a boxed wine and Cheeze Whiz grassroots economic party to organize or something for Obama? If so, you better get cracking and get those engraved invitations ready.
No, it's beer, nacho's and e-mail kind of grass works group.
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:17:43pm |
re: #218 Syrah
Not to worry folks.
The Republicans will do the right thing . . . after they have exhausted all the other options.
(Apologies to W.Churchill.)
there is merit in what you say...let's hope so
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:18:36pm |
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:19:17pm |
Democrats can't compete on ideas and they are incapable of making a reasoned argument on anything. They trade in emotional blackmail, fuzzy logic and vague feel-good promises. When that doesn't work, they bully and throw tantrums. They don't believe that words have any meaning other than what they ascribe to them, so it's perfectly okay to call the mother of all pork barrel spending bills a stimulus plan. Americans are not as stupid as the Democrats believe. This bill is dead, IMHO, and the nasty personal attacks that Obama is making on anyone who disagrees with him are going to permanently tarnish his halo.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:19:20pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:19:34pm |
re: #210 Irenike
The reason Obama won is because he promised to give people something for nothing. He promised a free lunch. And people believe this crap. They think they will come out ahead, on somebody else's dime.
A musician friend of mine voted for him because he said he would support the arts. My friend didn't take into account the fact that the rich folks might quit coming to her concerts, or paying for her private lessons, when Uncle Sam takes too big a bite out of their earnings.
Something will give. Either the taxpayers will quit working so hard (and so wealth will decline and people will lose jobs) or the most productive brains will move somewhere else where they won't get taxed as much. And then, what you have left is a place like France: Quasi-socialist, embittered, crappy service, no innovation, but lots of vacation time and lots of welfare.
Tell you friend (and this is coming from someone who makes a living right now in the arts) that Obama is asking for 50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts.
After administrative cost are taken out of there, the money left won't be enough to do diddly squat for the arts in the country.
In Denver alone, 28 million goes to over 400 art organizations, the money is collected locally, and willingly, and distributed according to how well your arts group is managed. If you are doing crappy, sloppy work, you will not get as much money.
So, how is 50 million gonna help her? Ask her.
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Luigi Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:20:34pm |
Why Obama is just like all those people he nominates for cabinet positions who pay 17 year old fines and back taxes a week before they get his nomination.
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Obama paid late parking tickets
Racked up penalties while at Harvard
Two weeks before the US senator from Illinois launched his presidential campaign, he paid parking tickets he received while attending Harvard Law School, officials said yesterday.Obama received 17 parking tickets in Cambridge between 1988 and 1991, according to the city's Traffic, Parking & Transportation Department.
Of those tickets, he paid only two while he was a student and paid them late, said Susan Clippinger, the office's director.
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anotherindyfilmguy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:20:43pm |
Mebbe we wouldn't be a trillion dollars in the hole if Dem leadership started paying their taxes outside of "when caught" trying to get a cabinet position...
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:20:51pm |
re: #220 jwb7605
My philosophy is that eventually all things boil down to a binary decision.
Which means you are either left or right of the mythical center.Libertarian passes for Conservative, which passes for Classic Liberal nowdays.
The libertarians are too dovish, open borders for me.
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:00pm |
when will they learn:
Just giving a good speech don't get things done.
And "0" don't need a moniker. Let time take its toll. Soon enough, Obama will take on the same image as "Edsel".
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:02pm |
Whoopi: "Blacks didn't have the right to vote in the whole country until 1968."
Say what?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:45pm |
re: #230 avanti
Libertarians are to much like anarchists for my taste.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:51pm |
re: #220 jwb7605
My philosophy is that eventually all things boil down to a binary decision.
Which means you are either left or right of the mythical center.Libertarian passes for Conservative, which passes for Classic Liberal nowdays.
I've never understood how someone can claim to be "in the center" politically, anyway. There are pretty much two choices on most issues, either "yes" or "no," or "more" or "less."
I guess you end up as a centrist through some sort of mathematical calculation. If you hold the liberal view on 5 issues, and the conservative view on 5 issues, it averages out and you're a centrist.
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JacksonTn Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:21:54pm |
re: #230 avanti
The libertarians are too dovish, open borders for me.
What? you really want open borders? you are kidding right? ...
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:18pm |
re: #230 avanti
Just so I get this straight, you want open borders?
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:22pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Whoopi: "Blacks didn't have the right to vote in the whole country until 1968."
Say what?
She's only 98 years off - it was 1870.
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:42pm |
re: #222 avanti
No, it's beer, nacho's and e-mail kind of grass works group.
If my zip code area on the Obama website is any indication of how well you lefties are doing at this local grassroots party thing, it's looking bleak.
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solomonpanting Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:51pm |
We certainly don't need the government to make the country grow, as the past demonstrates:
Well, my telephone rang it would not stop,
It's President Kennedy callin' me up.
He said, "My friend, Bob, what do we need to make the country grow?"
I said, "My friend, John, Brigitte Bardot,
Anita Ekberg,
Sophia Loren.
Country'll grow."
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:22:59pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
Do you consider Boortz an anarchist?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:00pm |
re: #238 formercorpsman
Just so I get this straight, you want open borders?
I think he was calling libertarians as "to open borders" for him.
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OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:14pm |
Why are the Democrats and Republicans stealing money from the treasury
like there's no tomorrow? I mean they got the next 4 to 8 years to steal
us blind. There will be a tomorrow, right?
ORG
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:14pm |
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JHW Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:21pm |
I don't know what to make of this analysis (excerpt below), it seems fairly optimistic regarding the USA. Perhaps a better informed lizard will critique it. It comes from this firm,World Journal a Toronto advisory business. from what I understand its mission is advice on world trends, not just financial.
In 2008 we presented a long term historical overview of among others the Credit Crisis, Insurance Risks, the Housing Bubble, and Stock Markets and Economics.In fact if money is akin to water, then a liquidity crisis is analogous to a very low tide that exposes a host of dangers lurking beneath the surface. And by now , the United States sports the fewest of these dangers. For example, the mortgage brokers who made subprime possible are all already out of business, and most of the investment houses that gorged on securities linked to subprime — up to and including Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch — have either gone bankrupt or been acquired by more stable institutions.
This hardly means that the American recession is a fun time — for one thing, the liquidity crisis has triggered a painful broad-based credit rollback — but the United States is not facing any deeper structural issues.
The same cannot be said elsewhere. To extend the low-tide analogy, the aftermath of the liquidity crunch has certainly made American life harder and the water certainly has some murk, but there are no reefs to get caught on. Lower water levels in Europe, however, confront the Europeans with such a maze of debris and navigation hazards that their downward slide into recession is only now beginning.
The primary cultural difference between the United States and Europe is a higher European concern for social stability. The United States has integrated change and disruption into everyday life, while most Europeans prefer a system in which economics are somewhat managed in order to buffer the citizenry from daily shocks. ...
Europe’s primary difficulty at the end of 2008 — which will dominate European life in 2009 — as we indicated was a banking crisis. European banks play a central role in European development that dwarfs the still-important role of American banks to American economic life. Yet European banks are not nearly as well capitalized as American banks. European banks are often used as tools of the state, so their investment portfolios tend to be less profitable, and currency variations have exposed many European banks to massive risks from the carry trade. European companies are more dependent upon financing from banks than their American counterparts (U.S. companies gain more of their financing from stock markets); regions of Europe have their own subprime housing crises which are only now beginning to manifest; the virgin nature of many European regions in financial terms has led to credit gorging and now credit hangovers; European banks find it difficult to compete with U.S. banks in attracting Asian capital; and so on. With less liquidity available, these problems and more are erupting simultaneously, hamstringing Europe
And there is more. While many malign the slow decision-making process of the American governing structure, it moves at light speed compared to its European equivalent. The U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve have remarkable powers to act independently to address problems as they see fit.
Table of contents of this publication , varied subjects and forecasts, world trends World Journal
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:31pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Why, why, why. Why? So they didn't pay attention in History. Do they not have google, either?
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ClosetConservative Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:34pm |
Has this been Youtubed yet? I missed the original broadcast.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:34pm |
re: #230 avanti
The libertarians are too dovish, open borders for me.
This is one of those times where all the odd coalitions and factions are going to have to band together ... on both sides ... and the binary decision is about to happen.
I'll take libertarians given the apparent options.
Afterwards, we can go back to arguing and bickering about what parts of whose philosophies suck.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:23:45pm |
re: #237 JacksonTn
What? you really want open borders? you are kidding right? ...
No, that's one disagreement with them I have.
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:03pm |
This whole plan sucks harder than Traci Lords.
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:04pm |
re: #230 avanti
The libertarians are too dovish, open borders for me.
Small L - libertarian, small C - conservative, Classical liberal.
Rooted in Lock's phrase, the right to Life, Liberty & Property.
From that core a political philosophy can be built.
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twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:17pm |
re: #165 LGoPs
Republicans need to start fighting back. This is a knife fight and their bullshit collegial ‘my esteemed colleague’ approach doesn’t work…mainly because the Democrats started the knife fight and know they’re in one.
One idea is for Republicans to start using the words Radical and Extreme in all of their talking points describing the Democrats. The Democrats and their media PR firm have been labeling everything extreme when it comes to Republicans, no matter how patently untrue. And it works. It’s branding and they have succeeded in associating that word in much of the public’s mind with Republican and conservative ideas.
And there’s an added bonus for any weak knees that might think this is going over the line……..it’s actually true when describing Democrats.Time to goddammed fight back and start using their tactics on them. I’m tired of this fight being a one way street.
I hope you've sent along these excellent ideas to your representatives, state and federal. States are in deep sh*t right now and are frantic to have anything passed so they have money to operate. We don't want them to be that desperate, but without other options left--what are they going to do? WHAT A MESS!
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:19pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Whoopi: "Blacks didn't have the right to vote in the whole country until 1968."
Say what?
She may be referring to the civil rights act that removed the last 'legal' impediments to the black vote.
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wkeller Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:29pm |
Mind numbingly ignorant. I watch the leader of our country show not a single ounce of leadership. The country is exhausted with the cry wolf routine. Now we hear 10% of the October TARP funds have simply disappeared. 70 BILLION dollars? Really? I sat slack jawed - in stunned disbelief. Our nation is truly in danger.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:32pm |
re: #245 OldRiverGuy
Why are the Democrats and Republicans stealing money from the treasury
like there's no tomorrow? I mean they got the next 4 to 8 years to steal
us blind. There will be a tomorrow, right?ORG
Depending on what the Repubs in the Senate do, it's only the Donks (and not all of them) voting for Crapapalooza.
| 259 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:44pm |
re: #242 Sosigado
Charles has asked that we don't make remarks like that on this blog. And let me tell you, I have been one of the mouthiest proponents of what you said.
He may delete it.
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:44pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Whoopi: "Blacks didn't have the right to vote in the whole country until 1968."
Say what?
Hannity looks like a Rhodes scholar next to that moron.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:24:58pm |
re: #240 rightymouse
If my zip code area on the Obama website is any indication of how well you lefties are doing at this local grassroots party thing, it's looking bleak.
Are you in a blue state or urban area ?
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:25:03pm |
re: #244 Walter L. Newton
Precisely why I put my answer in the form of a question.
I think Avanti would admit, even though I disagree with him, I have been cordial.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:25:49pm |
re: #248 ArmyWife
Why, why, why. Why? So they didn't pay attention in History. Do they not have google, either?
They have been fed a pile of lies about this evil country... it's their world view.
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brookly red Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:07pm |
re: #242 Sosigado
We may be sitting on the cusp of our very own modern version of a revolution. The 'haves' are being successfully pitted against the 'have nots'. We're being told that cake is about to be served.
interesting... but maybe it is more like both ends against the middle?
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NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:14pm |
re: #239 gmsc
She's only 98 years off - it was 1870.
Where there any counties or small islands in the USA where blacks couldn't vote yet in 1968? If blacks had the vote in less than 100% of the country in 1968, then technically she could be right about that.
(Just playing devil's advocate here...) (Tho quite often she's wrong about stuff... BIG stuff... like metal never ever melting in fires, even really, really, really really hot fires.)
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:25pm |
re: #255 CyanSnowHawk
She may be referring to the civil rights act that removed the last 'legal' impediments to the black vote.
Poll taxes and hurdles to register I'd guess.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:31pm |
re: #252 Noam Sayin'
This whole plan sucks harder than Traci Lords.
Why are you so bigoted against vacuum cleaners? I know vacuum cleaners that suck much harder than Tracy.
Er, that didn't come out the way I wanted it to.
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rightymouse Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:35pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
Libertarians are to much like anarchists for my taste.
They can come across that way at times. The LeFevre trained types. Interesting bunch. My husband is a libertarian. He's probably more conservative now because of me, but I have to give him credit for dragging me over the lefty line.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:37pm |
re: #243 formercorpsman
Do you consider Boortz an anarchist?
All I jknow about his is that he support the wacky and discredited "Fair Tax" along with Ron Paul. That's abother problem with Libertarianism; it's become a dumping ground for quacks and kooks.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:42pm |
re: #246 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Grading on a curve, eh? :-)
Well, she also famously once said something about "becoming a slave again" if Kerry didn't win.
If Whoopi Goldberg was ever a slave in the US (as opposed to certain parts of Africa, say), she's a lot older than she looks...
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:26:54pm |
re: #255 CyanSnowHawk
She may be referring to the civil rights act that removed the last 'legal' impediments to the black vote.
You mean the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Still wrong.
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:27:10pm |
re: #228 Luigi
Why Obama is just like all those people he nominates for cabinet positions who pay 17 year old fines and back taxes a week before they get his nomination.
[Link: www.boston.com...]
Obama paid late parking tickets
Racked up penalties while at Harvard
Back during the campaign in some puff-piece interview, Michelle Obama spoke of how she shopped online for some of her clothes. I wonder if the Obama's filed the ST-44 tax form to pay the appropriate sales tax to the State of Illinois. Hmm.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:27:15pm |
re: #235 Killgore Trout
Libertarians are to much like anarchists for my taste.
The logical conclusion of the pure libertarian philosophy ends up with anarchy.
The libertarians I know don't view that as a problem. They think self-reliance and cooperation would result.
I disagree, but I do like most of the philosophy.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:27:38pm |
re: #259 Walter L. Newton
Charles has asked that we don't make remarks like that on this blog. And let me tell you, I have been one of the mouthiest proponents of what you said.
He may delete it.
Just speaking my mind. If it get's deleted, so be it. Certainly not my call.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:27:46pm |
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:27:59pm |
re: #269 Killgore Trout
Well, I agree it has become sort of a dumping ground. But it seems all parties have that problem.
McKinney comes to mind as well.
Are you referring to the flat tax?
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:28:04pm |
re: #251 avanti
No, that's one disagreement with them I have.
Just that little old thing?
So let's say they favor free Medical care and it costs nobody 1 cent..It was just free..Would you be willing to give up our borders for that? You sure there isn't just a few more disagreements you might find with this fringe group..put your thinking cap on...
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:28:22pm |
re: #270 lobo91
Well, she also famously once said something about "becoming a slave again" if Kerry didn't win.
If Whoopi Goldberg was ever a slave in the US (as opposed to certain parts of Africa, say), she's a lot older than she looks...
Well who knows what her and Ted Danson got up to late at night? :>
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:28:28pm |
re: #271 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
You mean the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Still wrong.
Voting Rights Act of 1965?
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:28:47pm |
re: #255 CyanSnowHawk
The Voting Rights Act of 1965? Removing the literacy testing?
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:28:59pm |
re: #266 avanti
Poll taxes and hurdles to register I'd guess.
Yes, that sort of thing. It would help her argument if she would give examples like that to support her bombshells.
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OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:29:24pm |
re: #257 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Depending on what the Repubs in the Senate do, it's only the Donks (and not all of them) voting for Crapapalooza.
True, but I believe most of the Republicans voted for the bail out.
ORG
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:29:38pm |
re: #266 avanti
Poll taxes and hurdles to register I'd guess.
Difficult or expensive does not equal "couldn't".
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:29:57pm |
re: #277 Sosigado
I point it out not to be tacky or something. Charles has asked that we don't go there, and I noticed that you were new. I have no way of knowing if you have been lurking for a while, if you know about some of the topics that we don't get into here, I was just being helpful, before it blew up into something bigger.
And really, I was the biggest mouth here on that subject.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:06pm |
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:09pm |
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:13pm |
re: #279 formercorpsman
Well, I agree it has become sort of a dumping ground. But it seems all parties have that problem.
McKinney comes to mind as well.
Are you referring to the flat tax?
No no. Fair Tax. You might know it as a European import known as the VAT or value added tax. this would be a national sales tax on EVERYTHING sold in the country at the point of production or service.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:15pm |
re: #254 twincitiesgirl
I hope you've sent along these excellent ideas to your representatives, state and federal. States are in deep sh*t right now and are frantic to have anything passed so they have money to operate. We don't want them to be that desperate, but without other options left--what are they going to do? WHAT A MESS!
Help me. Cut and paste and send them along to yours as well.....
:)
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:28pm |
re: #280 sagamoregal
Not interested in comments like that. I wish no harm to the President.
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:30pm |
re: #280 sagamoregal
I have to admit, you seem a little angrier anymore.
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MANDYMANNERS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:42pm |
I hope all those who refused to vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough are FUCKING HAPPY NOW.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:48pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:30:52pm |
I'm not going to tolerate 'revolution' talk at LGF. Continue, and you will lose your account.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:31:29pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Whoopi: "Blacks didn't have the right to vote in the whole country until 1968."
Say what?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:31:50pm |
re: #292 jcw46
It's similar to the European system only much much worse.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:00pm |
re: #280 sagamoregal
Where the hell did come from? That was a disgusting remark...
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:06pm |
re: #289 Walter L. Newton
I point it out not to be tacky or something. Charles has asked that we don't go there, and I noticed that you were new. I have no way of knowing if you have been lurking for a while, if you know about some of the topics that we don't get into here, I was just being helpful, before it blew up into something bigger.
And really, I was the biggest mouth here on that subject.
There are revolutions, and there are revolutions.
If he's referring to the non-armed type (via the ballot box), I think he might be on to something.
It's entirely possible that we'll see street protests from the "silent majority". That never, ever, happens.
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:08pm |
re: #296 MANDYMANNERS
Mandy, why don't you set up a poll, and find out who all of these people are.
Seriously, is there anyone here that freely admits they did not vote for McCain out of spite?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:10pm |
re: #283 doppelganglander
Voting Rights Act of 1965?
The answer was 1968, still wrong, and she's old enough to been around then (and 1870, for that matter).
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jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:30pm |
You guys have to stop quoting those overthetop messy comments.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:33pm |
re: #298 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
I dunno... but expect a barrage of spitballs any second.
WHY! What the hell did I do now. Ok, if this doesn't stop. I'm going to take my "Pocket Obama" and run home. You won't have me and my keyboard to push around anymore.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:38pm |
'sagamoregal' is out of here after that comment.
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:43pm |
re: #254 twincitiesgirl
I hope you've sent along these excellent ideas to your representatives, state and federal. States are in deep sh*t right now and are frantic to have anything passed so they have money to operate. We don't want them to be that desperate, but without other options left--what are they going to do? WHAT A MESS!
The states need to learn some fiscal restraint too. They've expanded pointless programs with federal money just as much as Congress has. If my Republican governor is one of those calling for the shamulus bill to be passed, he'll be hearing from me.
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:32:46pm |
re: #280 sagamoregal
Frustration gets to everyone, but that's a remarkably ugly thing to say.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:08pm |
At this rate, Carter 2 will get us Reagan 2 in record time.
Bambi isn't looking too good. He's getting twitchy and foamy a little bit.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:12pm |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
Fuck off. He is the president, not some piece of slime you are kicking around in the school yard. Which is just what you sound like.
Holy crap, Walter, can I buy you a cold one. :)
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:32pm |
re: #289 Walter L. Newton
Thanks for the heads-up, I guess. I don't feel what I said was in any way incendiary. It was merely a musing. I'll move on.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:52pm |
re: #287 OldRiverGuy
True, but I believe most of the Republicans voted for the bail out.
ORG
Watch and see if they got their minds right after the drubbing last election.
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:56pm |
re: #300 ArmyWife
You are brilliant.
You too! I admit to using my Google-fu to confirm the exact date, though.
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:33:57pm |
re: #312 Charles
'sagamoregal' is out of here after that comment.
Hmmm . . . I'm usually pretty good at seeing the controversial comments before they're deleted. Oh, well, I missed one.
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opilio Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:34:05pm |
re: #301 Walter L. Newton
Fuck off. He is the president, not some piece of slime you are kicking around in the school yard. Which is just what you sound like.
Thou shalt not quote a deleted comment.
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:34:09pm |
re: #303 avanti
A free country, yes.
However, this is Charles' blog, and he has standards.
Think of it as his living room.
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lobo91 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:34:25pm |
re: #264 brookly red
interesting... but maybe it is more like both ends against the middle?
That's certainly the way it looks to me. Those who already depend on government handouts to survive have nothing to lose and everything to gain if Obama gets the massive entitlement expansions he wants. The very wealthy won't really lose anything as a result of the inevitable tax increases.
The people who will be hurt are those in the middle to upper-middle class, who will see their standard of living go down as a result of his policies.
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LC LaWedgie Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:34:41pm |
re: #232 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
She's only a few years off - 1965 - but in her mind it's probably some sort of intellectual continuum warp.
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:34:54pm |
I CAN'T STAND how he is selling his pious "you NEED me" big government...it is profoundly frightening. Too many people voted this guy into office and his hypnotism works on them.
I am deeply afraid the majority won't WAKE UP in time to stop what he is planning to do. His CHANGE is to end democracy. It eerily comes across clearly to me when I hear him speak, the things he does not say and the obvious fallacies to his logic and position.
PRAY (and SCREAM) for shutting this insanity down.
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:35:23pm |
re: #292 jcw46
Ok, now I know a little better what you are referring to.
I know some of the arguments around it, but not so much in depth.
IIRC, one of the angles of this was for people who fly under the radar by working under the table, etc.
So much stuff to read up on, not enough time.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:35:46pm |
re: #296 MANDYMANNERS
I hope all those who refused to vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough are FUCKING HAPPY NOW.
In light of the continuing scandal of democrats not paying their taxes can I add something........ IS IT OK NOW FOR US TO CALL THEM FUCKING UNPATRIOTIC!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:35:57pm |
re: #320 gmsc
Hmmm . . . I'm usually pretty good at seeing the controversial comments before they're deleted. Oh, well, I missed one.
Me, too... I feel left out. :-(
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:04pm |
re: #324 Dianna
A free country, yes.
However, this is Charles' blog, and he has standards.
Think of it as his living room.
I know, that's why I use a coaster under my beer.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:07pm |
re: #316 avanti
Holy crap, Walter, can I buy you a cold one. :)
Nope, too mad to tell you what I think of your comment. [deleted].
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:31pm |
re: #284 ArmyWife
The Voting Rights Act of 1965? Removing the literacy testing?
Well, 1968 would be the first Presidential election after that, so that may have been her point.
I'm not defending her. I think she is a somewhat funny comedienne that goes off the rails when it comes to politics. She's not the worst of the bunch, and not yet in the 'used to be funny' group like Garafalo and Franken, who won't stop talking about politics.
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screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:31pm |
re: #277 Sosigado
Just speaking my mind. If it get's deleted, so be it. Certainly not my call.
Trust me, I feel the tension too. It's a scary word but when you hear is spoke more and more you know things are turning sour. It could happen in a hurry I think, if we all truly get pushed to that point. Fear of our Gov is what keeps it from happening.
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solomonpanting Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:44pm |
re: #89 mean Gene
Wasn't it the Dems who claimed that Republicans were the ones who used fear to sell their proposals?
But the Republicans were merely using prior acts of terrorism carried out around the world. The Dems, OTOH, are using speculation, lies, and the prior acts of past Adminstrations that have been shown to either been ineffective or else cause for a prolonged depression. Whose fear is real? You make the call.
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Colonel Panik Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:44pm |
re: #1 Viking6
perhaps we could conjur up a titanboa to accompany them
No, it's more like "Jurassic Pork". I think the Democrats have found a way to breed Giant Prehistoric Proto-Hogs.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:36:51pm |
re: #296 MANDYMANNERS
I hope all those who refused to vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough are FUCKING HAPPY NOW.
Once more I ask for any facts showing that the number of conservatives who refused to vote for McCain was large enough to overcome the margin of victory. You can't just keep saying this in hopes of it being true. Here's why;
1. it's pointless. we're here and if they did put us here, pointing fingers and yelling at them won't help
2. It's non-productive as the people you're trying to assign blame to are the very people we will need to help keep these loons from more damage.
3. From past reading you're a bigger/better person than this so I'm guessing you're playing troll-for-a-day.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:07pm |
re: #312 Charles
'sagamoregal' is out of here after that comment.
Sorry Charles you have to put up with that..That was just disgusting in the venom and scope of that post..
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Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:09pm |
Come on folks, the Democrats have "looked into our eyes", what more can we expect from them? To actually touch the unwashed masses?
Everyone knows that a Democrat can learn everything they ever need to know about America in a political campaign.
/
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:10pm |
re: #328 taxfreekiller
Who are the Southern Law Center people, have they been talked about here on lgf's prior, I do not know much about them who is the resident expert on the Southern Law Center?
Southern Poverty Law Center? Just to be sure we're on the same page?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:14pm |
re: #331 LGoPs
In light of the continuing scandal of democrats not paying their taxes can I add something........ IS IT OK NOW FOR US TO CALL THEM FUCKING UNPATRIOTIC!
What did they call soldiers once for picking the best states as their homes of record... oh yeah:
TAX EVADERS!
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thefarmer Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:18pm |
re: #185 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Wait... that retreat was in WVa, right?
What does it cost to fire up Air Force 1 to go from Andrews AFB the, what? 200 miles, short hop to WVa?
Talk about over-indulgence... no more lectures to Detroit execs for you buster!
Actually I think the retreat was in Williamsburg. If it cost the taxpayers one dime to get him there it was a waste of money, cause all I heard was a lousy campaign speech.
And as someone upthread pointed out, his third(?) speech today talking down the economy. Great leadership there, has this neophyte ever heard of consumer confidence? Color me less than impressed.
T
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:24pm |
re: #324 Dianna
A free country, yes.
However, this is Charles' blog, and he has standards.
Think of it as his living room.
I had a neighbor, whom I'll call Fred for this discussion. When someone complained to him about not being able to say whatever they wanted to in his house, and that it was a free country, his reply was, "The free country ends at my front door! This is Fred-ville!"
/Fred-onia?
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IslandLibertarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:42pm |
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
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Mich-again Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:37:46pm |
She said it quite proudly..
"Actually, this is a J. Crew ensemble," the wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama told comedian Jay Leno on Monday on his talk show. She wore a yellow sweater, skirt and blouse ensemble."You can get some good stuff online," she added.
Obama said she and her husband have a policy of spending their own money on their clothes.
and from the instructions from the ST-44 form..
When do I owe Illinois Use Tax?
You owe Illinois Use Tax and must complete Form ST-44 if the
person or business from which you bought general merchandise
or food, drugs, and medical appliances did not collect
Illinois Sales Tax (e.g., purchases from catalogs, TV advertisements,
magazines, the Internet); and
• the items purchased are taxable in Illinois;
• you will use or consume these items in Illinois; and
• you have not yet paid Illinois Sales Tax or an equivalent
amount to another state.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:38:26pm |
re: #334 Walter L. Newton
Nope, too mad to tell you what I think of your comment. [deleted].
Fine, I'll drink yours. Still, that was a very appropriate comment and I thank you.
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formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:38:41pm |
Last kid to bed, and then Burn Notice with my wife.
Pretty much the only show I will watch with her.
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:38:49pm |
re: #307 jwb7605
There are revolutions, and there are revolutions.
If he's referring to the non-armed type (via the ballot box), I think he might be on to something.
It's entirely possible that we'll see street protests from the "silent majority". That never, ever, happens.
Cause we all have jobs so we can keep doing our patriotic duty and paying taxes.....
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:38:57pm |
re: #303 avanti
More then a little too hateful a comment for my taste, but it's a free country.
Hey, do you read the rules, do you pay attention to the tone and construction of the questions here, and the suggestions from other Lizards? Do you ever think of anyone else but yourself. There are subject, topics, certain ways of looking at things that Charles' would prefer we don't address in those ways.
Do we have your permission to follow through that way?
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:39:03pm |
re: #336 CyanSnowHawk
I don't expect everyone to be Masters of Historical Dates, but if you are going to spout off, and you have a public forum and stage in which to do so, please make an effort to get facts straight. If she said "I don't think black American's had unfettered rights to vote prior to the mid-60s" she would have been just fine.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:39:21pm |
re: #303 avanti
Don't quote comments that should be deleted.
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JHW Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:39:44pm |
re: #328 taxfreekiller
Who are the Southern Law Center people, have they been talked about here on lgf's prior, I do not know much about them who is the resident expert on the Southern Law Center?
Here ya' go tfk,
SPL Center
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Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:39:55pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from
politics.parenting. I don't want anything to do with any of thesepeoplechildren ,Democrats or Republicanscompletely screwed up or challenging. Our family system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
FTFY
Welcome.
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OldRiverGuy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:39:58pm |
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:06pm |
Watching Hannity right now and that democratic dweeb is talking about how Bush ran the economy into the ground and they are now going to FIX everything with this pretty stimulus package!
How is spending MORE going to rectify the prior overspending?
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:13pm |
The Commander and Chief is going to have a hard time selling this one to the military and veterans.
Charges Dropped Against USS Cole Bombing Suspect
The legal move by the Hon. Susan J. Crawford upholds President Obama's Guantanamo order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center in Cuba.
The military charges against suspected Al Qaeda bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay.
Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being.
Tough sell here.
Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama.
Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer."
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:37pm |
re: #345 thefarmer
Actually I think the retreat was in Williamsburg. If it cost the taxpayers one dime to get him there it was a waste of money, cause all I heard was a lousy campaign speech.
And as someone upthread pointed out, his third(?) speech today talking down the economy. Great leadership there, has this neophyte ever heard of consumer confidence? Color me less than impressed.
T
They paid for the retreat, the tax payers picked up the train fare and security.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:39pm |
Ok folks, remember, I didn't start this tonight, I was just trying to offer a little friendly advice to some new Lizards, and some off and on older Lizards.
I'm still trying to get my vacuum cleaner to blow harder.
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Sosigado Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:45pm |
On that note, I believe I'll go back to 'lurking'. Have a good evening, everyone.
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Colonel Panik Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:40:45pm |
re: #328 taxfreekiller
Who are the Southern Law Center people, have they been talked about here on lgf's prior, I do not know much about them who is the resident expert on the Southern Law Center?
David Horowitz has some background on them here.
As part of the Intelligence Project, the SPLC website currently features a map of "Active U.S. Hate Groups." Deeming racism the the nearly exclusive province of the "radical right," Intelligence Project reports mostly ignore groups on the left. And although SPLC denounces extremist religious organizations like the Jewish Defense League and Westboro Baptist Church, no mention is made of any extremist Muslim groups. (In 2007, SPLC identified 888 separate "active hate groups" in the United States.)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:41:05pm |
re: #345 thefarmer
Actually I think the retreat was in Williamsburg. If it cost the taxpayers one dime to get him there it was a waste of money, cause all I heard was a lousy campaign speech.
And as someone upthread pointed out, his third(?) speech today talking down the economy. Great leadership there, has this neophyte ever heard of consumer confidence? Color me less than impressed.
T
More, bigger disaster means more green-lights to roll the country hard left. Porkzilla won't work, look for another one (or the sky will surely fall) in a few months.
/because we are too stupid to know that much of the spending in the original Porkzilla won't kick in until 2010...
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:41:08pm |
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:41:09pm |
re: #346 gmsc
I had a neighbor, whom I'll call Fred for this discussion. When someone complained to him about not being able to say whatever they wanted to in his house, and that it was a free country, his reply was, "The free country ends at my front door! This is Fred-ville!"
/Fred-onia?
Your neighbor is quite right!
I have rules in my house, too. Abide by them, or leave. I respect the rules in anyone's house, even a virtual, electronic one.
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Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:41:34pm |
re: #323 jwb7605
It's entirely possible that we'll see street protests from the "silent majority". That never, ever, happens.
Would be nice.
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:41:57pm |
re: #352 LGoPs
Cause we all have jobs so we can keep doing our patriotic duty and paying taxes.....
/
If the unemployment numbers hit 15% and inflation hits 20%, we will be redefining "patriotic duty" in vocal groups.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:42:29pm |
they pushed the bank bail out like this,
forced on us or the world would end.
now no one has any idea where the money is.
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opilio Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:42:33pm |
re: #347 IslandLibertarian
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
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yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:42:43pm |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Ok folks, remember, I didn't start this tonight, I was just trying to offer a little friendly advice to some new Lizards, and some off and on older Lizards.
I'm still trying to get my vacuum cleaner to blow harder.
SWITCH IT TO 'SUCK'
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NY Nana Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:42:50pm |
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gareth Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:42:59pm |
Although the figures on the bailouts are massive, politicians are politicians.
The figures will be announced, re-announced and announced again for good measure. It makes them look more important and more useful. Besides which, saying you'll spend money isn't the same as getting around to actually spending it. The economic stimulus is as much about convincing the public to spend their own money as much as it is Governments spending the public's money for them. It doesn't appear to be all that popular with the public though, anywhere.
In the UK we are suffering policies that seem to be made on the hoof, announced with much fanfare but then very quietly discarded when they think no one is looking. The comments in this discussion about President Obama continuing his campaigning strike a familiar note. Labour employed the same trick. Tony Blair was the British Bill Clinton, Barack Obama is the US Tony Blair. Gordon Brown is no Barack Obama, Tony Blair or Bill Clinton. Even so, they get more shallow and less sincere with each iteration. All they do is campaign. Everything becomes an issue. All they spout is a never ending stream of promises. The tactic did no harm when economies were doing okay. Time will tell if it still holds sway while economies wither.
The relationship between the public and our Governments appear to be a bit like banking regulations - conventions made when things were going well cannot cope with a slowdown/crisis/catastrophe. Arguably President Obama has some mandate from the people being recently elected. In the UK we have given no such stamp of approval to enormous taxpayer funded spending plans and the thought of cutting spending is beyond the comprehension of most MPs.(This stems from Labour framing all spending as 'investment' and as such any suggestions that Government spending be reduced puts 'investment' in public services at risk. The opposition willingly play the same game.)
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:43:12pm |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Ok folks, remember, I didn't start this tonight, I was just trying to offer a little friendly advice to some new Lizards, and some off and on older Lizards.
I'm still trying to get my vacuum cleaner to blow harder.
Don't. It sucks.
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Colonel Panik Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:43:23pm |
re: #368 taxfreekiller
Diana
#343Do not know, could be the same org. Charles linked them about anti immigration org's , when I google it comes up a deal that grew out of a law firm in the south that was about civil rights ect.
?
Same outfit.
They are trying to tar anti-illegal immigration groups with the white supremacist brush.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:44:10pm |
I just had a great idea for "stimulus spending".
Since, we're told, pretty much anything goes, and the more we spend, the better things will be; why not build a 1,000-foot tall statue of Barack Obama on the National Mall? It would create jobs, and, um, stimulate, you know, stuff. Indeed, I think it would be incredibly irresponsible NOT to build it. Did I say "irresponsible"? I meant criminal.
Look, we can go back to the old, tired way of doing things, the failed policies of the past. OR, we can build a 1,000-foot statue of Barack Obama on the National Mall. The choice is clear.
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:44:28pm |
re: #374 jwb7605
If the unemployment numbers hit 15% and inflation hits 20%, we will be redefining "patriotic duty" in vocal groups.
The sick thing about Obama and his plan is that he is banking on those 15% for his enlisted community organizers. Upset they lost their job, they'll be ripe for his picking.
He obviously has studied some history, the masses that would accept communism have to be desperate.
| 385 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:44:48pm |
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:45:08pm |
re: #382 Colonel Panik
Many of them are connected to white supremacists. Charles linked to a great source up thread. You may wish to check it out.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:45:09pm |
re: #368 taxfreekiller
Tonight is probably not a good night to contest Charles' request to not link to certain sites with racist/white power backgrounds. Also...forget about refuting the source. If you have doubts about the information it can be verified from many different sources.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:03pm |
re: #383 Occasional Reader
1,000? If we don't break ground on a 3500 foot 18k gold statue RIGHT NOW NOW NOW we are ALL GONNA DIE!
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:17pm |
re: #368 taxfreekiller
Diana
#343Do not know, could be the same org. Charles linked them about anti immigration org's , when I google it comes up a deal that grew out of a law firm in the south that was about civil rights ect.
?
Yes, that's the Southern Poverty Law Center.
A couple people already linked good information up-thread. David Horowitz has some good tracking information on them.
They're very focused on white racism, and the concept of institutional racism. They receive substantial government grants for various projects. I haven't had much to do with them, as they're only peripherally involved in the sort of projects my nonprofit funds, but I've read a fair amount of their material (many studies all bent on proving that racism is still rampant among whites), and some critiques of their methods.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:17pm |
re: #367 Colonel Panik
Who cares if they don't label "extremist Muslim groups?"
Deal with the facts they post. There are white supremacist groups posing as "Republicans," and the SPLC is keeping track of them. They may be leftists, they may be liberals, but they're not wrong on this. There ARE hate groups in America, and a lot of them are on the "conservative" side.
When the Tanton groups appear on neo-Nazi radio shows, we should all condemn them, not make excuses. Good grief.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:22pm |
Moderates in Senate trying to trim the bill down to the 800 billion the POTUS wants.link
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:25pm |
re: #383 Occasional Reader
Just think of the lawyers who would have jobs to get the DC law changed to allow a structure built taller than the Washington Monument. /
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LGoPs Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:31pm |
Later lizards. Gotta drive home. Keep up the fire...........
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:47pm |
I'm outta here for a while. I hope to return later and find most of you still here.
/Off to pwn some n00bs on TF2
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:54pm |
I'm beginning to think the President starts his day with Post Alphabits cereal.
...and tries to find the letters "Who am I going to piss-off today".
| 397 |
RememberSekhmet? Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:46:58pm |
I just had a thought:
My guess here is that the next move will be the actual-in-name budget. And that budget will be all thrifty and balanced and stuff (the stupid, costly silly stuff having been tacked onto Porkulus). Thus the Demos will try to argue that it took Obama to finally balance the budget (totally ignoring all the BS on the Porkulus bill--that was "stimulus," not "budget")
Thoughts?
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:09pm |
re: #328 taxfreekiller
Who are the Southern Law Center people, have they been talked about here on lgf's prior, I do not know much about them who is the resident expert on the Southern Law Center?
Southern Poverty Law Center, comin' right up. They've sued a number of white supremacist organizations into oblivion. That's great, but they spend vast amounts of time and money clucking over the tiny and toothless white power groups without doing much to help actual poor people.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:20pm |
i bet O doesn't even know what is in the pork bill.
just that it is plenty of pork for socialism.
he is the dem yes man for all these assholes going after power.
it is just plain wrong.
and so ugly to watch.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:38pm |
re: #354 ArmyWife
I don't expect everyone to be Masters of Historical Dates, but if you are going to spout off, and you have a public forum and stage in which to do so, please make an effort to get facts straight. If she said "I don't think black American's had unfettered rights to vote prior to the mid-60s" she would have been just fine.
And that is the whole problem with high-school educated celebrities telling us how the world is.
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jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:40pm |
re: #303 avanti
More then a little too hateful a comment for my taste, but it's a free country.
Stinky is warming up the big stick. Over the line, way over.
(It may be a free country but it's Charles' blog)
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:49pm |
| 404 |
Colonel Panik Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:47:54pm |
re: #394 taxfreekiller
#382
never heard of them until now,
where does their money come from
where do the atty's who work there come from
stuff like that,
The link from David Horowitz I posted has all the answers to your questions.
| 405 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:00pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
Charles -
Because beyond being Democrats, many have become Faux Populists -
"FAUPULISTS" if you will. The mood of the many at any given time is that they are getting a RAW DEAL for the amount of work they do to earn their daily bread versus their rewards. Without an understanding of how the "Dismal Science" of economics actually works, this is natural, and results in the Crayfish in a Bucket mentality - i.e. the majority pull down any that might be smart enough to crawl to the top of the bucket, and freedom. Leaves them ALL in the bucket - to be had FOR DINNER.
The question is - how to foster the mentality that applauds and emulates the CLIMBING CRAYFISH as broadly as possible. When that happens on a permanent basis, Conservatism will have triumphed. Until then....
As to the promoters of FAUPULISIM - they are in the main Hypocrites and have been from time immemorial. I know - I was once ONE of THEM.
-S-
| 406 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:05pm |
Later all... keep an eye on the Porkers on the Potomac.
| 407 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:07pm |
re: #376 opilio
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
No longer as true as it was.
/Pocket Obama
| 408 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:11pm |
Hillary Clinton 'to reach out to Muslim world'
US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has chosen to visit Indonesia as part of her first overseas trip because she wants to "reach out" to the Muslim world, a spokesman said.
"It's the biggest Muslim country in the world," said a state department spokesman, Robert Wood, when asked why she included Indonesia on her visit to Asia. "The secretary feels it's important to reach out."
Rotary Club a ‘threat’ to Islam
INDONESIAN Islamic hardliners have called for a ban on international organisations the Rotary Club and the Lions Club, saying they are part of a Zionist conspiracy, reports said today.
The People’s Ulema Forum (FUU) said the clubs were “infidel” fronts for Freemasonry and the world Zionist movement and threatened Islam in the world’s most populous Muslim country.
“They gather funds and give them to America and the Israeli Zionists,” FUU chairman Atian Ali Mohammad Da’i was quoted as saying in The Jakarta Globe daily.
“We urge all Muslims to renounce membership in the Rotary Club and the Lions Club. Otherwise they can consider themselves infidels.”
He called on President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono to ban the groups.
/good luck with the "reaching out"
| 409 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:15pm |
re: #384 Right mind left
The sick thing about Obama and his plan is that he is banking on those 15% for his enlisted community organizers. Upset they lost their job, they'll be ripe for his picking.
He obviously has studied some history, the masses that would accept communism have to be desperate.
The people who get employed as "community organizers" or similar tasks won't be complaining.
The people who refuse that type of work will.
I have enough cockeyed optimism left that I think the majority of Americans will not tolerate nearly pure socialism once they recognize it. I also don't think it will get to the "revo" point in the get-the-stick-from-here definition.
| 410 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:30pm |
Because if we don't, Mr. President, and Friday’s financial markets look at us not having been able to accomplish anything, it is a bad day not only for America, but the rest of the world.
[Censored]
| 411 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:33pm |
re: #388 ArmyWife
1,000? If we don't break ground on a 3500 foot 18k gold statue RIGHT NOW NOW NOW we are ALL GONNA DIE!
Eighteen carat? Only eighteen carat?!
Why do you hate America so much? Do you WANT 500,000,000 Americans to lose their jobs next month?!
| 412 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:36pm |
the senate bill will not pass...if it does I'll eat my shorts
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:48:40pm |
re: #377 taxfreekiller
#357
Who are they and who do they back D's or R's or are the non political?
They promote a far-left legal agenda that favor the Dems. They should be considered part of the lefty legal establishment.
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:49:16pm |
re: #382 Colonel Panik
Same outfit.
They are trying to tar anti-illegal immigration groups with the white supremacist brush.
Yes, they are.
I honestly think that every single community services nonprofit should have a plan to go out of business. Really. Set a goal and a time-table, and make it achievable. Then, when the goal is met, dissolve.
I'm sure it's happened somewhere.
| 417 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:49:42pm |
re: #408 Killian Bundy
So where the heck is my Rotary Funded Zionist check already?!?!
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yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:49:47pm |
re: #390 Charles
I'm not kidding.
Who cares if they don't label "extremist Muslim groups?"
Deal with the facts they post. There are white supremacist groups posing as "Republicans," and the SPLC is keeping track of them. They may be leftists, they may be liberals, but they're not wrong on this. There ARE hate groups in America, and a lot of them are on the "conservative" side.
When the Tanton groups appear on neo-Nazi radio shows, we should all condemn them, not make excuses. Good grief.
The SPLC has blinders on it does not look for bigotry on the left. for example far left anti semitism or the bigotry of black nationalists.
| 419 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:50:03pm |
re: #412 albusteve
the senate bill will not pass...if it does I'll eat my shorts
[Link: www.politico.com...]
do your laundry soon.
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:50:43pm |
re: #412 albusteve
the senate bill will not pass...if it does I'll eat my shorts
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Prepare to eat your shorts. The porkfest will pass. They'll make superficial changes, and one or two GOPers will go along with the Democrats, and so $1 trillion in wholly unrelated spending gets shoved down our throats in pursuit of "appearing to do something" about the recession. Tax cuts? Never really considered. Only massive new spending.
| 422 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:50:44pm |
re: #391 avanti
Moderates in Senate trying to trim the bill down to the 800 billion the POTUS wants.link
"As I have explained to people in that group, they cannot hold the president of the United States hostage," said Reid, D-Nev. "If they think they're going to rewrite this bill and Barack Obama is going to walk away from what he is trying to do for the American people, they've got another thought coming."
Yep, they don't work for us. Most of us don't think this bill is in any way good, but that don't matter. Reid (and every other damn politician in DC) a
| 423 |
A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:51:02pm |
re: #411 Occasional Reader
Eighteen carat? Only eighteen carat?!
Why do you hate America so much? Do you WANT 500,000,000 Americans to lose their jobs next month?!
No i Don't..but if there are a 1/2 million jobs open next month..There are going to be some sweet openings..
Is it too early to order the yellow beemer?
| 424 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:51:28pm |
re: #412 albusteve
the senate bill will not pass...if it does I'll eat my shorts
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Can we just call you "Bart" (Simpson) instead?
| 425 |
Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:51:48pm |
The SPLC: We pretend to be the good guys in the John Grisham novels.
| 427 |
screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:09pm |
re: #384 Right mind left
The sick thing about Obama and his plan is that he is banking on those 15% for his enlisted community organizers. Upset they lost their job, they'll be ripe for his picking.
He obviously has studied some history, the masses that would accept communism have to be desperate.
Only if the think it's Wall Streets fault. That's not exactly the case. Most people know Washington is most to blame. Which is why MSM and the One are whipping people up in anger over Wall Street. To divert attention. The people around here don't see it that way, but then again we're small town bitter clingers.
| 428 |
Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:14pm |
re: #409 jwb7605
The people who get employed as "community organizers" or similar tasks won't be complaining.
The people who refuse that type of work will.
I have enough cockeyed optimism left that I think the majority of Americans will not tolerate nearly pure socialism once they recognize it. I also don't think it will get to the "revo" point in the get-the-stick-from-here definition.
I understand your optimism however with the media in his pocket it is pretty hard to hear the truth for most of the ignorant wanna-believers.
There are jails for those that refuse. He is pals with the creator of Prairie Fire, the manifesto that states it would be necessary to eliminate millions of dissenters for the "cause".
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:26pm |
re: #411 Occasional Reader
Eighteen carat? Only eighteen carat?!
Why do you hate America so much? Do you WANT 500,000,000 Americans to lose their jobs next month?!
Good grief, OR, 24kt gold is TOO SOFT for a 1,000 ft statue.
Use platinum, you nitwit!
| 430 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:27pm |
Man I go to school for 4 hours and wen I get back the bill is at a TRILLION dollars! What the hell are they doing in DC?
| 431 |
aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:39pm |
| 432 |
Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:43pm |
re: #394 taxfreekiller
#382
never heard of them until now,
where does their money come from
where do the atty's who work there come from
stuff like that,
Here's their site: Southern Poverty Law Center.
Their annual report will list at least the larger donors and tell you what they spend their money on. Their staff and contributors will also be listed, along with their other affiliations.
| 433 |
Moonbat Serenade Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:52:49pm |
The speech is up on YouTube. I found it with "Obama Speech 2-5-09.
I'll be a sumbitch if I'll link to it, though.
afk washing hands
| 434 |
jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:53:14pm |
| 435 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:53:39pm |
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Can we just call you "Bart" (Simpson) instead?
what have you done to pressure your senators against it?
| 436 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:53:39pm |
re: #428 Right mind left
I understand your optimism however with the media in his pocket it is pretty hard to hear the truth for most of the ignorant wanna-believers.
There are jails for those that refuse. He is pals with the creator of Prairie Fire, the manifesto that states it would be necessary to eliminate millions of dissenters for the "cause".
No shit?
Prairie Fire, I hope, is different from GrassFire?
| 437 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:53:57pm |
re: #415 Dianna
Yes, they are.
I honestly think that every single community services nonprofit should have a plan to go out of business. Really. Set a goal and a time-table, and make it achievable. Then, when the goal is met, dissolve.
I'm sure it's happened somewhere.
Thank you for that.
I happen to think that group is a cure looking for a disease.
| 439 |
formercorpsman Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:54:22pm |
re: #391 avanti
You do recognize you used the word trim, to describe an 800 billion dollar graft.
800 billion dollars.
| 440 |
Researcher...MO Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:18pm |
Ok, I normally lurk, and I'm late to the thread, but has anyone else seen the creepy ad for the "stimulus" featuring Dear Leader on TV? I saw it yesterday, and my first crazy thought was "I thought the campaign was over"...my next thought was WTF?!?! Why is a sitting President making a television ad for a bill, ANY bill, ever?
| 441 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:24pm |
re: #429 OldLineTexan
You guys are both America Haters Squared. This 85,000 foot statute should be made of titanium. With diamond eyeballs.
| 442 |
LC LaWedgie Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:32pm |
re: #383 Occasional Reader
Yeah, then we could rename every institute of learning from sea to shining sea "Barack Hussein Obama" school and give the sign painters and monument chiselers a raft of business. or is that a scad?
| 443 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:32pm |
re: #421 lawhawk
Prepare to eat your shorts. The porkfest will pass. They'll make superficial changes, and one or two GOPers will go along with the Democrats, and so $1 trillion in wholly unrelated spending gets shoved down our throats in pursuit of "appearing to do something" about the recession. Tax cuts? Never really considered. Only massive new spending.
Yep, I predict a handful of GOP votes, maybe 2-5 and passage. Maybe a few more if the moderates can do some trimming.
| 444 |
yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:35pm |
the 'zero' sculpture should be made of iron pyrite not gold.
| 445 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:55:48pm |
re: #435 albusteve
what have you done to pressure your senators against it?
My Senators are Dick Durbin and Roland Burris. They would not listen to me no matter what I say, since they think I'm evil for voting Republican.
| 446 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:26pm |
re: #440 Researcher...MO
WHAT? Did you check to see if it's on youtube? I haven't heard this yet!
| 447 |
kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:31pm |
| 448 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:34pm |
I've got a question..."Why does the Messiah need a stimulus bill?"
| 449 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:43pm |
re: #444 yochanan
the 'zero' sculpture should be made of iron pyrite not gold.
Perfect! I'll not spoil it by mentioning the usual term!
| 451 |
yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:54pm |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
My Senators are Dick Durbin and Roland Burris. They would not listen to me no matter what I say, since they think I'm evil for voting Republican.
mine too welcome to chicagostan COMRADE
| 452 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:56:59pm |
re: #440 Researcher...MO
Ok, I normally lurk, and I'm late to the thread, but has anyone else seen the creepy ad for the "stimulus" featuring Dear Leader on TV? I saw it yesterday, and my first crazy thought was "I thought the campaign was over"...my next thought was WTF?!?! Why is a sitting President making a television ad for a bill, ANY bill, ever?
Bush wouldn't use the bully pulpit.
Obama will reshape it.
A campaign built on image and soundbites will become a Presidency built on image and soundbites.
And the masses will eat it up.
| 453 |
Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:01pm |
re: #436 jwb7605
No shit?
Prairie Fire, I hope, is different from GrassFire?
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]
Prairie Fire...I would suspect that GrassFire was built as an offshoot. Seriously, read up.
| 454 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:15pm |
re: #448 Jetpilot1101
I've got a question..."Why does the Messiah need a stimulus bill?"
I think it's called tithing.
| 455 |
Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:21pm |
re: #425 Sifty
The SPLC: We pretend to be the good guys in the John Grisham novels.
They've done some good work. But as time goes on, they do seem to become less and less useful.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:32pm |
re: #436 jwb7605
No shit?
Prairie Fire, I hope, is different from GrassFire?
Prairie Fire was a communist book written for the terrorist Weather Underground by William Ayers, one of Barack Obama's political mentors in Chicago.
| 457 |
golly_wog Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:33pm |
I posted this solution a few days ago on a dying thread:
Here's an idea for a real stimulus plan: Each of the 58 states (*wink*) gets 10 BILLION dollars. Each state has to build a pyramid twice as large as the one at Giza.
It's a budget half as large as what is being proposed.
It will create lots of jobs for a very long period.
Once created, it will become the worlds greatest tourist attraction and spread tourist dollars to each state.
It will stop global warming by changing the wind patterns (this is bull, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander)
The quarries become fishing lakes
The One gets to feel like a Pharaoh, and that will keep his butt distracted and out of our hair while he preens.
First one finished gets a bonus of 10 BILLION dollars
| 458 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:33pm |
People. Get a grip. I know you've been hearing a lot of propaganda that tells you not to listen to the SPLC, but the John Tanton groups ARE linked to neo-Nazis and white supremacists. In the real world.
The SPLC is not wrong. I don't link to them without checking their claims.
| 459 |
albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:34pm |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
My Senators are Dick Durbin and Roland Burris. They would not listen to me no matter what I say, since they think I'm evil for voting Republican.
so you do nothing but post you disgust here?
| 460 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:37pm |
re: #412 albusteve
the senate bill will not pass...if it does I'll eat my shorts
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I am not as optimistic as you.
You might want to order these.
| 461 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:57:46pm |
re: #441 ArmyWife
You guys are both America Haters Squared. This 85,000 foot statute should be made of titanium. With diamond eyeballs.
Bah. Titanium. I mean, it's a great metal, but it's not PRECIOUS.
| 462 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:00pm |
re: #426 NY Nana
/But does he even eat pork?
he probably grimaces when "pork" is even used an adjective.
| 463 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:06pm |
re: #453 Right mind left
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]
Prairie Fire...I would suspect that GrassFire was built as an offshoot. Seriously, read up.
I managed to get off all those mailing lists a couple years ago, and I'll take your word for it.
| 465 |
kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:12pm |
re: #448 Jetpilot1101
I've got a question..."Why does the Messiah need a stimulus bill?"
Because the teleprompter says so?
| 466 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:16pm |
charles; apologies for 202. After your banning of another, I realized that I skirted the edges of appropriate phraseology and although I had no thought in mind of actual physical harm, it could be misconstrued by the tightly strung who seek out examples to parade to others in order to cast this site and yourself in a light that would be false.
Please double check if you haven't already. I will keep this incident in mind for the future. thanks.
| 467 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:24pm |
I am going to need "a retreat" for my health, if, I survive this presidential term. My head spins when I look at the line item allocations of this proposed spending blitz. We will never be able to have an accountable fiscal budget that is not in the red for our great grandchildren's lifetimes. This is so appalling and a direct slap in the face and pocketbook of each and every citizen that has ever worked and contributed tax paying dollars to this government to manage this country.
I am so ANGRY at this 111th Congress and at the POTUS and his "expert" finance committees. They are NOT representing us, the majority, any longer. They will not be able to print new fiat money fast enough to meet the oncoming inflation as a result of this ludicrous porkfest spending. This is a travesty to us and our country, and will cause the devaluation of our US dollar both here and abroad.
*SPIT*
| 468 |
Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:35pm |
re: #430 Jetpilot1101
Man I go to school for 4 hours and wen I get back the bill is at a TRILLION dollars! What the hell are they doing in DC?
Snarfing up the goodies, what did you expect?
| 469 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:58:44pm |
re: #221 Der Hirn Fanger
The O has to get his way. Screw the rest of us.
| 470 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:01pm |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
I live in the People's Republic of Maryland. I called my commie representative's staffers and let them know how I felt. Business cards from political soirees come in handy every now and again.
| 471 |
Natasha Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:05pm |
I could stand all of 5 minutes of Obama's blabbering. The man annoys me, and that is an understatement. I hope against hope that this insane bill will not pass. But, I am afraid it will. It is horrible, and the consequences of it will most likely destroy this country and what it used to stand for.
| 473 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:18pm |
OT: Word is just coming in that a can of Pepper Spray went off on board a flight at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas, bound for Kansas City. Hazmat is already rushing to the scene.
| 474 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:21pm |
re: #365 Walter L. Newton
Ok folks, remember, I didn't start this tonight, I was just trying to offer a little friendly advice to some new Lizards, and some off and on older Lizards.
I'm still trying to get my vacuum cleaner to blow harder.
It's SUCK, walter. BLOW is just a figure of speech.
| 475 |
Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:27pm |
re: #452 OldLineTexan
"Up with good things!"
"Down with bad things!"
/typical Obama speech 2009-2011
| 476 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:28pm |
re: #421 lawhawk
Prepare to eat your shorts. The porkfest will pass. They'll make superficial changes, and one or two GOPers will go along with the Democrats, and so $1 trillion in wholly unrelated spending gets shoved down our throats in pursuit of "appearing to do something" about the recession. Tax cuts? Never really considered. Only massive new spending.
I don't know how I missed your comment. Are you sure you didn't clip and paste one of my paragraphs from LGF. Spot on and one hundred percent correct.
No one is going to say us from this bill. No one. Get us to it. And remember it.
| 477 |
Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:31pm |
re: #461 OldLineTexan
Bah. Titanium. I mean, it's a great metal, but it's not PRECIOUS.
OOOOOH my PRECIOUSSSSSS....
| 478 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:32pm |
re: #456 Dark_Falcon
Prairie Fire was a communist book written for the terrorist Weather Underground by William Ayers, one of Barack Obama's political mentors in Chicago.
That, I did know. I thought there was a "grassroots" movement calling itself PrairieFire.
Otherwise, I'm an idiot.
| 479 |
Researcher...MO Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:45pm |
re: #446 ArmyWife
I kid you not, if it hadn't bothered me so much, I wouldn't have posted. It was on some local channel (I'm rural, so local is a little misleading). I don't even really remember the overall message (big surprise), just the jaw-dropping shock...
| 480 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 6:59:58pm |
re: #459 albusteve
so you do nothing but post you disgust here?
No, I give money to GOP candidates, I go to Republican events, I always make sure to vote, and I do my best to convince those around me that the candidates and policies I support are the right ones.
| 481 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:00:29pm |
re: #473 gmsc
OT: Word is just coming in that a can of Pepper Spray went off on board a flight at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas, bound for Kansas City. Hazmat is already rushing to the scene.
Breaking News: Hazmat Crews handling Southwest flight incident at McCarran International
A Southwest Airlines flight is on the ground at McCarran International after passengers complained about eye irritation.
Initially, the FAA thought a pepper spray can had exploded.
Now, McCarran officials say Metro believes an electrical issue may be the reason behind the eye irritation.
Scott Allison, the Clark County Fire Department PIO, believes the irritation is due to the pepper spray.
Southwest Airlines Flight 756 took off from Kansas City, Missouri at 4:30pm CDT and was bound for Las Vegas.
116 people are on board the Boeing 737 that landed at 5:18pm.
Everyone on board was using oxygen masks when it landed.
Six people were affected by this incident, four of them were transported to local hospitals.
TSA is handling the investigation.
According to the TSA, pepper spray is not allowed in carry on luggage.
It can be put in checked luggage, however, it must have a safety cap on it to prevent it from exploding.
| 483 |
Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:00:39pm |
re: #437 OldLineTexan
Thank you for that.
I happen to think that group is a cure looking for a disease.
They compile some interesting reports. I sometimes wonder, reading them, though, if they've lost all perspective.
| 486 |
yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:00:58pm |
Dick Durbin and Roland Burris ARE MY SEN
jan s. is my congresscrook
no wonder i offen want a stiff drink or a full keg of beer
| 488 |
MANDYMANNERS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:01:26pm |
re: #458 Charles
People. Get a grip. I know you've been hearing a lot of propaganda that tells you not to listen to the SPLC, but the John Tanton groups ARE linked to neo-Nazis and white supremacists. In the real world.
The SPLC is not wrong. I don't link to them without checking their claims.
Any connections between them and VB? BNP?
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:01:35pm |
re: #472 MANDYMANNERS
I see I missed a melt-down.
really..just a disgusting sort of post..you didn't miss a thing Mandy
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:01pm |
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yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:07pm |
re: #465 kansas
Because the teleprompter says so?
why would the zero need a stimulus bill he already has the MSM IN FULL SWALLOW MODE
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:13pm |
re: #441 ArmyWife
You guys are both America Haters Squared. This 85,000 foot statute should be made of titanium. With diamond eyeballs.
Totally off. Platinum is much more expensive than titanium. But now I've realized what the Eight Mile High Obama statue must be made of: Californium-252. Estimated value; $350 billion per pound. Imagine all that stimulus.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:33pm |
i'm going to make a pork roast tomorrow.
why not?
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:46pm |
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NY Nana Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:47pm |
re: #462 nyc redneck
he probably grimaces when "pork" is even used an adjective.
And stutters when he does, with a few uuh's thrown in.
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:48pm |
re: #448 Jetpilot1101
I've got a question..."Why does the Messiah need a stimulus bill?"
Shut up, Kirk!
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:50pm |
re: #484 buzzsawmonkey
I'm a bill, just a bill
Full of pork, full of swill
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill...
More appropriately
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albusteve Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:53pm |
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:02:54pm |
re: #491 yochanan
why would the zero need a stimulus bill he already has the MSM IN FULL SWALLOW MODE
Sorry. You'll have to ask the teleprompter. I have no clue.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:08pm |
re: #483 Dianna
They compile some interesting reports. I sometimes wonder, reading them, though, if they've lost all perspective.
I have followed them since the Clinton days, although without your expertise. I will say no more.
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:21pm |
re: #458 Charles
I was late to the thread, and didn't see your link.
I have read that report, and was going to send you an email about it.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:40pm |
re: #492 Occasional Reader
With diamond eyeballs, though, right?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:47pm |
re: #488 MANDYMANNERS
Any connections between them and VB? BNP?
Yes, the racialists led by Marcus Epstein and Pat Buchanan's Taft Club are the main US promoters of allying with the Vlaams Belang.
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:47pm |
re: #273 Mich-again
Back during the campaign in some puff-piece interview, Michelle Obama spoke of how she shopped online for some of her clothes. I wonder if the Obama's filed the ST-44 tax form to pay the appropriate sales tax to the State of Illinois. Hmm.
Mich-again -
As you probably have noticed, fewer and fewer legitimate websites do NOT charge sales tax for the appropriate jurisdiction. Of those who "don't" - bet very strongly that they actually DO remit -though it "tastes better" to think that they do not. I have had enough experience in the automobile business to know that with enough profit - always make the customer feel as if they have "gotten over" - AND - always remit the proper amount to the taxing authorities, as they license your business.
-S-
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:48pm |
re: #486 yochanan
Dick Durbin and Roland Burris ARE MY SEN
jan s. is my congresscrookno wonder i offen want a stiff drink or a full keg of beer
You and I are from the same congressional district. Small world.
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Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:03:51pm |
re: #470 ArmyWife
I live in the People's Republic of Maryland. I called my commie representative's staffers and let them know how I felt. Business cards from political soirees come in handy every now and again.
I'm in Maryland too, and I also call my rep's office to let the staff know what I want my rep to do, even though my rep is not just a Dem leftie - he's the son of a Dem leftie retired senator. Alas. Sometimes, I call Roscoe Bartlett's office just to talk to someone with a little sanity, even though that's not my district. His staffers are much nicer than my rep's staffers. And much righter. Also, I've met Rep. Bartlett, and he is a sharp cookie. If only we could clone him.
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:04:14pm |
re: #484 buzzsawmonkey
I'm a bill, just a bill
Full of pork, full of swill
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill...
Cartoon featuring a paper Jabba the Hutt-like creature.
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:04:27pm |
If the left is really hoping that a deep enough financial crisis will drive us all into the arms of socialism, I think they have another thing coming. Suppose we do get 15% unemployment. At least half of those people will probably be moderate or conservative. They will be very upset at the inept response from Washington, and they'll have plenty of free time to protest.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:04:49pm |
Hey lets all look on the bright side. We know that this bill will pass and that it will fail miserably. Since we know that will happen, this alone will sink the Obama administration and most likely the democrat control of Congress. I'm an eternal optimist and while I know that if this bill passes there will be a metric s---ton of pain to go around, I also know that it will spell the end of the zero and most likely the end of this countries brief experiment with socialism. It's going to suck in the interim but the light that Obama sees at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train and the American voters are the drivers.
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:04:57pm |
re: #494 nyc redneck
i'm going to make a pork roast tomorrow.
why not?
Slow roasted and it might just fall apart! (wishing...wishing)
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Researcher...MO Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:05:01pm |
Oh, and I don't know if it's on youtube, haven't looked...Back to my usual lurk state now...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:05:27pm |
Hmmm. Stargate or News coverage. Hmmmm.
What to watch?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:05:28pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:03pm |
re: #492 Occasional Reader
Totally off. Platinum is much more expensive than titanium. But now I've realized what the Eight Mile High Obama statue must be made of: Californium-252. Estimated value; $350 billion per pound. Imagine all that stimulus.
Let's just make it out of Mexican pot.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:11pm |
re: #516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmmm. Stargate or News coverage. Hmmmm.
What to watch?
Have a piece of cake and watch Stargate.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:27pm |
In a move to adhere to Obama's order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center at Guantanamo, the Hon. Susan J. Crawford drops charges against USS Cole bombing suspect
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jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:31pm |
re: #511 doppelganglander
If the left is really hoping that a deep enough financial crisis will drive us all into the arms of socialism, I think they have another thing coming. Suppose we do get 15% unemployment. At least half of those people will probably be moderate or conservative. They will be very upset at the inept response from Washington, and they'll have plenty of free time to protest.
Upding. I suggested that with less eloquence earlier.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:36pm |
re: #516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmmm. Stargate or News coverage. Hmmmm.
What to watch?
I'd go for Hmmmm.
| 523 |
Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:42pm |
re: #516 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hmmm. Stargate or News coverage. Hmmmm.
What to watch?
Both have jumped the shark.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:06:52pm |
re: #512 Jetpilot1101
Hey lets all look on the bright side. We know that this bill will pass and that it will fail miserably. Since we know that will happen, this alone will sink the Obama administration and most likely the democrat control of Congress. I'm an eternal optimist and while I know that if this bill passes there will be a metric s---ton of pain to go around, I also know that it will spell the end of the zero and most likely the end of this countries brief experiment with socialism. It's going to suck in the interim but the light that Obama sees at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train and the American voters are the drivers.
And if the Dems loose the control of the COngress, that leave us with... ?
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:01pm |
re: #513 Right mind left
Slow roasted and it might just fall apart! (wishing...wishing)
Nope, like the roast, we are forked.
| 527 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:07pm |
re: #489 HoosierHoops
really..just a disgusting sort of post..you didn't miss a thing Mandy
You'd think Lizards would know....
| 528 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:12pm |
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Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:30pm |
re: #511 doppelganglander
It worked to get us Reagan last time. Never underestimate the power of a blithering liberal idiot in the White House to bring about a Conservative landslide.
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:07:39pm |
I heard on John Gibson's radio show this afternoon that there's a list is out on the banks that received bailout money. I thought it was just big banks, but it sounds like the list may contain 100 banks.
Has anyone seen the list?
Gibson's point was a lot of bank presidents will be living on capped salaries.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:06pm |
re: #524 Walter L. Newton
And if the Dems loose the control of the COngress, that leave us with... ?
Not much but at least the Republicans we have left are beginning to find a backbone. And we can vote them out to and start over; a wholesale cleansing; a congressional enema if you will.
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TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:09pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
Because they're our betters, dontcha know?
/retch...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:11pm |
re: #523 Occasional Reader
Both have jumped the shark.
Not the TV show silly, the movie.
Bed is sounding good.
It is winning. I have no cake. Fruit cocktail was nummy tho.
Bed it is. G'night folks!
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Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:18pm |
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OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:28pm |
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:28pm |
re: #532 jorline
I heard on John Gibson's radio show this afternoon that there's a list is out on the banks that received bailout money. I thought it was just big banks, but it sounds like the list may contain 100 banks.
Has anyone seen the list?
Gibson's point was a lot of bank presidents will be living on capped salaries.
I'm pretty sure the bank Presidents around here would work for 500 Grand.
| 540 |
screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:08:42pm |
re: #494 nyc redneck
i'm going to make a pork roast tomorrow.
why not?
WoW, you got that kind of money?
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:06pm |
re: #511 doppelganglander
No, they'll be too busy working odd jobs or looking for work.
We're just not the kind of folks who go out in the street, much.
| 543 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:07pm |
GE chief warns on US depression threat
"The US economy is suffering its steepest downturn since at least the 1970s and could descend into a depression, Jeff Immelt, General Electric’s chief executive, warned on Thursday."
Gee is that comment any wonder. If all this money goes through, GE holds so many government contracts that they will probably get the biggest benefit from the bill.
[Link: www.ft.com...]
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van helsing Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:14pm |
re: #502 kansas
Sorry. You'll have to ask the teleprompter. I have no clue.
Why is everyone picking on the teleprompter? Teleprompter XD235
| 546 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:33pm |
re: #512 Jetpilot1101
Hey lets all look on the bright side. We know that this bill will pass and that it will fail miserably. Since we know that will happen, this alone will sink the Obama administration and most likely the democrat control of Congress. I'm an eternal optimist and while I know that if this bill passes there will be a metric s---ton of pain to go around, I also know that it will spell the end of the zero and most likely the end of this countries brief experiment with socialism. It's going to suck in the interim but the light that Obama sees at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train and the American voters are the drivers.
And if it succeeds, and the country turns around, you might want a fall back plan. To be honest, the economy almost always bounces back in less then 4 years and the Dems will get the credit.
| 547 |
twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:34pm |
re: #65 twincitiesgirl
PLEASE write or call your representatives in Congress and raise hell. Does this bill still include billions for ACORN or is it being siphoned through Bank of America and then given to ACORN? I've been hearing/reading so many different possible versions of this stimulus package, I'm punchy.
I knew I read this somewhere, it was on Michelle Malkin two days ago:
Your tax dollars at work: Bank of America forks over $2 million to ACORN
Just imagine how much of this shady shifting of stimulus money has happened already, and no doubt more to come.
| 548 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:09:36pm |
re: #530 Sifty
It worked to get us Reagan last time. Never underestimate the power of a blithering liberal idiot in the White House to bring about a Conservative landslide.
Too bad there is no Reagan on the horizon. More likely we will get yet another RINO candidate that does well in the election because the Dem in the White House sucks so bad.
| 549 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:04pm |
re: #534 Jetpilot1101
Not much but at least the Republicans we have left are beginning to find a backbone. And we can vote them out to and start over; a wholesale cleansing; a congressional enema if you will.
No they're not. IMHO. They will screw us too!
| 550 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:10pm |
re: #543 Walter L. Newton
GE chief warns on US depression threat
"The US economy is suffering its steepest downturn since at least the 1970s and could descend into a depression, Jeff Immelt, General Electric’s chief executive, warned on Thursday."
Gee is that comment any wonder. If all this money goes through, GE holds so many government contracts that they will probably get the biggest benefit from the bill.
[Link: www.ft.com...]
Immelt! Boy, I'm going to pay close attention now! What a [deleted].
| 551 |
Syrah Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:11pm |
I am so eager to work my ass off to help pay for this stimulus pork bill.
/
| 552 |
Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:25pm |
re: #541 buzzsawmonkey
Will
worksit around and not pay taxes and put my hand out for bailout.
| 553 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:26pm |
re: #533 ArmyWife
Sarbanes, huh? His father was a schmuck.
Yep. And calling his office does as much good as throwing yourself under a bus, but I call anyway. Civic duty, yada yada. It's frustrating, though.
My district would elect Sponge Bob Square Pants if he was the Dem candidate.
| 555 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:34pm |
re: #520 reine.de.tout
In a move to adhere to Obama's order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center at Guantanamo, the Hon. Susan J. Crawford drops charges against USS Cole bombing suspect
She was under an EXECUTIVE order.
Crikey, I only thought I was angry. Can you imagine how Lippold must feel?
snip............Retired U.S. Navy Cmdr. Kurt Lippold, who was commander of the USS Cole when it was attacked in Yemeni waters in 2000, told FOX News that he was invited to the White House on Friday for a special meeting with Obama.
Lippold decried Obama's request to delay all pending trials at Guantanamo. But he told FOX News he "will go with an open mind and wait to see and hear what President Obama has to offer."
| 556 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:34pm |
re: #531 Iron Fist
Obama certainly seems to put the Emporer in the Imperial Presidency, doesn't he? Perhaps because he knows that the Democrat with the will to oppose him hasn't been born, and is never likely to be born (if conceived, he or she will be aborted).
I'm not worried about Imperial. That's been tossed around since Nixon, IIRC.
I am worried that being an empty suit will become de rigeur for the POTUS.
| 557 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:10:43pm |
re: #506 Charles
Yes, the racialists led by Marcus Epstein and Pat Buchanan's Taft Club are the main US promoters of allying with the Vlaams Belang.
This might sound strange but, would you consider making a permanent link listing such groups over here and their connections--if any--to those over there? It might save a lot of time for both you and your guests.
| 558 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:19pm |
Geez. My Siamese cat just tripped. Cats aren't supossed to trip. Snicker.
| 559 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:19pm |
re: #546 avanti
And if it succeeds, and the country turns around, you might want a fall back plan. To be honest, the economy almost always bounces back in less then 4 years and the Dems will get the credit.
If you think the economy will bounce back after this colossal pork bill is passed you are out of your mind. Adding upwards of 2 Trillion to the national debt in 2009 alone is no way forward to prosperity. The dems won't get credit, it will get worse, much worse.
| 560 |
CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:23pm |
re: #534 Jetpilot1101
Not much but at least the Republicans we have left are beginning to find a backbone. And we can vote them out to and start over; a wholesale cleansing; a congressional enema if you will.
I'd like to point out that even a clean colon only produces one thing, and it don't smell pretty, no matter what the PR people say.
| 561 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:23pm |
re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Not the TV show silly, the movie.
Bed is sounding good.
It is winning. I have no cake. Fruit cocktail was nummy tho.
Bed it is. G'night folks!
I blame BOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHH!
| 562 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:31pm |
re: #554 Dianna
Very bad idea.
I view it as Obama's way of saying "Bring it on".
They probably will, now.
| 563 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:11:35pm |
re: #458 Charles
People. Get a grip. I know you've been hearing a lot of propaganda that tells you not to listen to the SPLC, but the John Tanton groups ARE linked to neo-Nazis and white supremacists. In the real world.
The SPLC is not wrong. I don't link to them without checking their claims.
Charles -
SPLC/Morris Dees dates back to the time when Jim Crow was REAL and EVIL.
The date on the secular calendar I look at is 2009. The President I see on TV for better or worse is Barack Hussein Obama. Things are not perfect - AND - are certainly improved. The "problem" with SPLC is the general failure to ADMIT the IMPROVEMENT. My 2 cents in the matter.
-S-
| 564 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:08pm |
re: #549 Walter L. Newton
No they're not. IMHO. They will screw us too!
They may and in that case it's time for my last words, A CONGRESSIONAL ENEMA!
| 565 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:21pm |
re: #520 reine.de.tout
In a move to adhere to Obama's order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center at Guantanamo, the Hon. Susan J. Crawford drops charges against USS Cole bombing suspect
and O thinks this is going to make him look like a such a good person to the "world community. "
there is no possibility that any respectable person any where will think he looks like anything but a stupid poser.
| 567 |
Right mind left Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:28pm |
re: #547 twincitiesgirl
I knew I read this somewhere, it was on Michelle Malkin two days ago:
Your tax dollars at work: Bank of America forks over $2 million to ACORNJust imagine how much of this shady shifting of stimulus money has happened already, and no doubt more to come.
I'll bet that was part of the performance requirement when they took the bailout.
| 568 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:29pm |
re: #546 avanti
If this country's economy improves over the next four years it will have nothing to do with this bill, and nothing to do with this government, and everything to do with the ordinary citizens who will have to work even harder to make it happen.
| 569 |
Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:43pm |
re: #548 CyanSnowHawk
I'll take what I can get.
So far this dope makes McCain look like Abraham "Teddy" Roosevelt-Reagan.
| 570 |
BryanS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:49pm |
Some conservatives mocked Lindsay Graham and called him RHINO, but it sure helps when he--and McCain who suffered similar criticism--call this spending bill out for the boondoggle that it is.
| 572 |
seagreenroom Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:56pm |
TheOne has proclaimed that, "We may never recover!".. if we don't hurry up and sign his TRILLION dollar blank check.
Somebody needs to slap this poser silly.
| 573 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:56pm |
re: #529 NY Nana
/Did she wave a white flag?
apparently.
She actually may be as disgusted as I am by Obama's order to halt proceedings.
In discussions here the other day about this, I thought his exec order had no real authority to stop these proceedings, and somebody mentioned that what would probably happen is that they would drop the charges.
It's happened.
| 574 |
kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:12:57pm |
re: #564 Jetpilot1101
They may and in that case it's time for my last words, A CONGRESSIONAL ENEMA!
And Barney Frank will..........
| 575 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:13:26pm |
re: #551 Syrah
I am so eager to work my ass off to help pay for this stimulus pork bill.
/
I am so eager to send my kid off to work instead of college so we can pay for this stimulus bill.
| 576 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:13:57pm |
For a while, Pres. O's demeanor (when the hopey changey mask slips) has made me think "Nixon." It's really creepy, because his actions and intentions make me think "Carter." It's like he embodies the worst qualities of each of them.
| 577 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:01pm |
re: #520 reine.de.tout
In a move to adhere to Obama's order to halt court proceedings at the Navy detention center at Guantanamo, the Hon. Susan J. Crawford drops charges against USS Cole bombing suspect
| 578 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:15pm |
re: #558 Catttt
Geez. My Siamese cat just tripped. Cats aren't supossed to trip. Snicker.
Did you get the "I ment to do that look?"
| 579 |
Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:23pm |
re: #548 CyanSnowHawk
And if that don't work, gawddamn it I'll run the country.
| 580 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:28pm |
re: #548 CyanSnowHawk
Too bad there is no Reagan on the horizon. More likely we will get yet another RINO candidate that does well in the election because the Dem in the White House sucks so bad.
CyanSnowHawk -
Whaddabout the one who wears a SKIRT?
-S-
| 581 |
screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:47pm |
re: #546 avanti
And if it succeeds, and the country turns around, you might want a fall back plan. To be honest, the economy almost always bounces back in less then 4 years and the Dems will get the credit.
You got 2 years not 4. If thinks really suck these next 2 years it's all over. Why do you think your President is pushing so much so fast. The clock is ticking.
| 582 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:48pm |
re: #568 jaunte
If this country's economy improves over the next four years it will have nothing to do with this bill, and nothing to do with this government, and everything to do with the ordinary citizens who will have to work even harder to make it happen.
Ah yes, but wait for the spin.
| 583 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:49pm |
re: #530 Sifty
It worked to get us Reagan last time. Never underestimate the power of a blithering liberal idiot in the White House to bring about a Conservative landslide.
Yeah, but who? Reagan was in the pipeline for twenty years before he became president. I look around and wonder who could fill that role. I like Sarah, but I think she's hopelessly damaged by the media pile-on. Bobby Jindal was looking good until he inexplicably championed ID. I love Mitt, but he has a Ken-doll quality that doesn't play well. (My daughter says he's quite charming in person, however.) Honestly, if anyone can identify an up-and-comer who's got the right stuff, I'm all ears.
| 584 |
Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:49pm |
re: #512 Jetpilot1101
Had the same feeling, but I wish the country didn't have to suffer so much because of it. And as a personal matter, my dad's lake property value pretty much tanked, and it's unlikely we could sell it any time soon for enough value to keep part of it (we'd like to keep the cabin, sell the house).
On the upside, which is far more important to me, his oncologist could not find his tumor on the last visit. For those of you in goddess's prayer circle, I thank you for your support. You have my eternal gratitude.
| 585 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:14:56pm |
I'm feeling nuurd. (that's when you are so sober and can see reality very, very, very clearly)
Time for a drink. A little Black Velvet Reserve with water chaser. (if i'm feeling especially wimpy, I'll put some coke in (the brown liquid, not the white powder)
NO POOPSI for me.
| 586 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:15:08pm |
re: #557 MandyManners
This might sound strange but, would you consider making a permanent link listing such groups over here and their connections--if any--to those over there? It might save a lot of time for both you and your guests.
Ummmmmm...time for you in having to delete any posts that cite them.
| 587 |
Syrah Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:15:12pm |
re: #575 reine.de.tout
I am so eager to send my kid off to work instead of college so we can pay for this stimulus bill.
Actually, considering how bad the colleges have become, that might be the better choice.
| 591 |
jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:15:54pm |
re: #539 kansas
I'm pretty sure the bank Presidents around here would work for 500 Grand.
How are you tonight, kansas?
I agree, but I live in a city with a population of 300K...I know one bank president that makes well over 500K and I bet his bank is on the list.
| 592 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:15:55pm |
re: #584 Noam Sayin'
Awesome to hear about your father! We'll keep praying.
| 593 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:04pm |
re: #557 MandyManners
This might sound strange but, would you consider making a permanent link listing such groups over here and their connections--if any--to those over there? It might save a lot of time for both you and your guests.
Great idea Mandy. Or, better yet, just block all offending
affiliated with Nazi sites so we don't err in posting that trash on spin offs on the front page.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:21pm |
re: #587 Syrah
Actually, considering how bad the colleges have become, that might be the better choice.
Well, you have a point.
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BryanS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:24pm |
re: #583 doppelganglander
Yeah, but who? Reagan was in the pipeline for twenty years before he became president. I look around and wonder who could fill that role. I like Sarah, but I think she's hopelessly damaged by the media pile-on. Bobby Jindal was looking good until he inexplicably championed ID. I love Mitt, but he has a Ken-doll quality that doesn't play well. (My daughter says he's quite charming in person, however.) Honestly, if anyone can identify an up-and-comer who's got the right stuff, I'm all ears.
Paul Ryan. Maybe not for Pres, but he should be speaker of the House or Majority Leader in Senate one day.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:36pm |
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kansas Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:51pm |
re: #587 Syrah
Actually, considering how bad the colleges have become, that might be the better choice.
Actually kids should go to work in order to get themselves through college. Time to get out of the wagon and push. In the day, kids actually helped out instead of being a big drain.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:16:57pm |
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:06pm |
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Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:18pm |
re: #578 Dustyvet
Did you get the "I ment to do that look?"
I pretended not to notice. :D He's on my shoulder now (his favorite place) - trip already forgotten. Heh.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:22pm |
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Dianna Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:24pm |
I'm going to pour some wine for my Male and me, and cuddle.
I need a cuddle.
Take care.
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CyanSnowHawk Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:37pm |
re: #580 Dr. Shalit
CyanSnowHawk -
Whaddabout the one who wears a SKIRT?
-S-
I don't see her as ready yet, nor in 4 years. She may prove me wrong, but I don't think she is the one. I'll let you know in '12.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:38pm |
re: #598 kansas
and they pushed that wagon 6 miles uphill barefoot in the snow. Those were they days, weren't they?
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:17:41pm |
re: #546 avanti
And if it succeeds, and the country turns around, you might want a fall back plan. To be honest, the economy almost always bounces back in less then 4 years and the Dems will get the credit.
It probably would bounce back quicker than that, if they'd keep their damn hands off it. If they manage to pass this crap sandwich, it'll be closer to 6 or 8, not to mention whatever additional harm they can do in the coming months. If they want the credit for that, I'm happy to give it to them.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:02pm |
re: #584 Noam Sayin'
Had the same feeling, but I wish the country didn't have to suffer so much because of it. And as a personal matter, my dad's lake property value pretty much tanked, and it's unlikely we could sell it any time soon for enough value to keep part of it (we'd like to keep the cabin, sell the house).
On the upside, which is far more important to me, his oncologist could not find his tumor on the last visit. For those of you in goddess's prayer circle, I thank you for your support. You have my eternal gratitude.
Great to hear!
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aic4ever Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:13pm |
Remember Letterman with Blago?
"The more I see you talking on TV trying to defend yourself, the more I say, 'Man, that guy's guilty'!"
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:25pm |
re: #582 avanti
Ah yes, but wait for the spin.
True, as far it goes but that means that it is our job to counter the spin. When a liberal talks up the porkulus bill, we should be hammering back with the truth. The key to stopping liberal spin is to be ready for it and counter-attack.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:33pm |
re: #594 jaunte
? Needs more detail.
If it turns around the Dems will take credit, claiming it was the stimulus bill that did it.
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Spar Kling Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:39pm |
re: #315 Sifty
At this rate, Carter 2 will get us Reagan 2 in record time.
I hope so. Here's a bumper sticker idea:
[Principles NOT promises - Vote Republican next time]
Assuming, of course, that the Republican party is tired of losing and gives up on pandering to Democrats who will not vote for them in any case.
-sk
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:57pm |
Hocking our children's future to bail out bankers who made mistakes helps us how?
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:18:58pm |
re: #598 kansas
Actually kids should go to work in order to get themselves through college. Time to get out of the wagon and push. In the day, kids actually helped out instead of being a big drain.
Well, actually, it's a given that she will have to work and help pay for college.
But our college savings fund is not what it used to be. She's gonna have to work AND get a scholarship or two, OR choose a college in-state.
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jcbunga Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:19:25pm |
The leading edge of the baby boomers have already begun retiring. We're entering 20 years of a historic decline in the working population.
If it were possible to pay for this, who's gonna pay for it?
Our islamic masters?
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:19:32pm |
re: #593 notutopia
Great idea Mandy. Or, better yet, just block all offending
affiliated with Nazi sites so we don't err in posting that trash on spin offs on the front page.
That and, maybe a diagram of some sort would be instructive in helping us see the connections.
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Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:19:38pm |
re: #583 doppelganglander
The Rudy or Palin may do it. A repackaged Duncan Hunter might work. Mitt strikes my focus group as too "Stepford".
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jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:19:47pm |
re: #612 avanti
Privatizing profits and socializing risk will not improve the economy.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:08pm |
re: #612 avanti
If it turns around the Dems will take credit, claiming it was the stimulus bill that did it.
IF is the operative word. The point is this bill will sink the economy and it will take a long time to really recover. Spending your way to prosperity never worked and it isn't going to work this time.
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iLikeCandy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:12pm |
re: #440 Researcher...MO
..."I thought the campaign was over"...my next thought was WTF?!?! Why is a sitting President making a television ad for a bill, ANY bill, ever?
He knows only campaigning. His surprise rock-star visits reveal much. The one to the White House press room didn't go so well -- he didn't like being questioned -- so he chose an easier audience for his next surprise rock star visit, to an elementary school with well-mannered kids, glamorous wife in tow as backup singer.
What he doesn't know is governing. He doesn't know rigorous review by hard-headed lawyers, judges, and doctors. He doesn't know thinking many steps ahead. His silly defense to Katie Couric of bailout money for weatherizing homes was a lazy, fact-free thought experiment that would serve, among serious thinkers, as a sketch of an idea in a brainstorming session at best.
I think when he realizes that the campaign has burned out, he'll make the Malaise speech, only ten times more bitter.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:12pm |
re: #614 Ojoe
Hocking our children's future to bail out bankers who made mistakes helps us how?
It puts a lot of money in certain peoples pockets.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:33pm |
Tomorrow, I'm going to do something positive. This porkulus is just too depressing. I've decided to plan a Victory Garden. THen at least I will have vegetables!
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Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:48pm |
I just remembered, with all this pork talk - I have some nice Italian sausage in the freezer. Spaghetti sauce!
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Occasional Reader Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:20:56pm |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:21:07pm |
re: #558 Catttt
Geez. My Siamese cat just tripped. Cats aren't supossed to trip. Snicker.
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine.
I have no clue what's after him . . .
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:21:08pm |
re: #613 Spar Kling
I hope so. Here's a bumper sticker idea:
[Principles NOT promises - Vote Republican next time]
Assuming, of course, that the Republican party is tired of losing and gives up on pandering to Democrats who will not vote for them in any case.
-sk
Finally a chance to UP-DING you.
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:21:30pm |
The democrats (corruptocrats) will never learn or understand (becasue they are economic illiterates who have never had to preform in the private sector) that cutting tax rates for businesses will jump start hiring. Cutting capital gains will jump start hiring. cutting payroll tax will help also. etc...
This is all about pay back to political donors.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:21:43pm |
re: #584 Noam Sayin'
Noam- good news. Blessings to you and your dad and family.
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Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:21:50pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine.
I have no clue what's after him . . .
It's the occasional cat madness. Or maybe a ghost is after him. :D
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notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:01pm |
re: #614 Ojoe
Hocking our children's future to bail out bankers who made mistakes helps us how?
It doesn't help anyone but the irresponsible bankers and spenders Ojoe. We have worked our asses off for this?
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doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:04pm |
re: #596 BryanS
Paul Ryan. Maybe not for Pres, but he should be speaker of the House or Majority Leader in Senate one day.
He could be a contender. My daughter knows someone on his staff and she (the daughter) thinks the world of him. He's very young but definitely one to watch.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:06pm |
re: #618 Sifty
The Rudy or Palin may do it. A repackaged Duncan Hunter might work. Mitt strikes my focus group as too "Stepford".
If none of them could do it against McCain, then how in the world do you think they can do it later. They gonna get some balls in the next 4 years?
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NY Nana Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:17pm |
re: #573 reine.de.tout
apparently.
She actually may be as disgusted as I am by Obama's order to halt proceedings.In discussions here the other day about this, I thought his exec order had no real authority to stop these proceedings, and somebody mentioned that what would probably happen is that they would drop the charges.
It's happened.
Yes, I agree. And that it happened is tragic. And we are only into Day 16 of his dictatorship.
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jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:21pm |
re: #545 yochanan
west rodgers park CHICAGOSTAN here.
Used to live on N. LaSalle st. about 2 blocks s from the drugstore that had the tylenol deaths (division?). also uses to live over near Lincoln park off n clark st. Love chicago.
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avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:27pm |
re: #619 jaunte
Privatizing profits and socializing risk will not improve the economy.
Many economists disagree and think the stimulus is needed, but that stuff is above my pay grade.
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:33pm |
I had the pleasure of seeing Defiance - the new movie with Daniel Craig. The book is supposed to be better. it made me feel so much better about what we are suffering through.
I felt real hope that the we can figure out how to survive and flourish-eventually.
RE o's behavior: Standard narcissist. He's way out of his league, rolled by Pelosi and Reid, and this is panic.
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:33pm |
re: #602 Catttt
I pretended not to notice. :D He's on my shoulder now (his favorite place) - trip already forgotten. Heh.
LOL, I once had a Tortie Shell who loved to ride on my shoulder, she was with me for 16 and half years. She's missed.
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:34pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
He heard WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE IF WE DON'T PASS THIS BILL from our President.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:38pm |
i don't want to be hog tied w/ this pork bill.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:22:54pm |
re: #616 jcbunga
The leading edge of the baby boomers have already begun retiring. We're entering 20 years of a historic decline in the working population.
If it were possible to pay for this, who's gonna pay for it?
Our islamic masters?
I read a story early today about an elderly Japanese man who died after being hit by a motorcycle because no hospital would take him--too many patients, not enough doctors. Things to come here?
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Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:02pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine.
I have no clue what's after him . . .
One dirty big mouse?
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:03pm |
re: #536 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It is winning. I have no cake. Fruit cocktail was nummy tho.
I can offer Pi!
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stevieray Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:09pm |
re: #619 jaunte
Privatizing profits and socializing risk will not improve the economy.
... and privatizing freedom while socializing responsibility will not improve the society.
/just my little addition to your excellent point.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:29pm |
re: #623 Floral Giraffe
All the varieties of tomato seeds. "Tomato Grower's Supply" company.
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Syrah Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:51pm |
re: #623 Floral Giraffe
Tomorrow, I'm going to do something positive. This porkulus is just too depressing. I've decided to plan a Victory Garden. THen at least I will have vegetables!
My employer required all of the company's employees to take a 20% reduction in hours for the month of February.
I will be spending my "off" time building a green house in the backyard.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:23:54pm |
re: #635 NY Nana
Yes, I agree. And that it happened is tragic. And we are only into Day 16 of his dictatorship.
OMG, you are right!
It seems like forever.
Has anyone else been able to do such damage in such a short time?
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jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:24:00pm |
re: #638 avanti
Many economists disagree and think the stimulus is needed, but that stuff is above my pay grade.
In my judgment, they are incompetents or liars.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:24:12pm |
re: #632 notutopia
Sonofabitch, but I still have both buns so far.
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:24:42pm |
re: #652 jaunte
In my judgment, they are incompetents or liars.
With either an axe to grind or dreams of money to be made when the stimulus passes.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:24:51pm |
Did Wall Sreet start this or, did CRA promoted by the Democrats?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:00pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine. I have no clue what's after him . . .
Animals do that all the time. They can see "things" that we can't see, things that live on the edge of our reality. Maisey the Parrot will do that. I will be watching her, or talking to her, and she will sudden;y turn her head, or stretch up straight, like something just walked into the room.
When any animal starts doing that, I advise you not to turn off any more lights, and if you are already in the dark, then it may be best to turn on some lights, or move to a room with more lights.
And one other thing, watch where you step.
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aic4ever Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:03pm |
re: #637 Sifty
LOL...we'd just need to find him someone named Sonny to run with...
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ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:15pm |
Did we include this in our porkapalooza bill? It seems fitting, somehow.
[Link: jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com...]
(yay JWF!)
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:16pm |
The stimulus bill is going to pass. Probably tomorrow.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:20pm |
re: #613 Spar Kling
I hope so. Here's a bumper sticker idea:
[Principles NOT promises - Vote Republican next time]
Assuming, of course, that the Republican party is tired of losing and gives up on pandering to Democrats who will not vote for them in any case.
-sk
Good line, Spar. For once, I can upding you. Thank you.
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notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:46pm |
re: #617 MandyManners
That and, maybe a diagram of some sort would be instructive in helping us see the connections.
Superb idea! There are so many insidious partnerships supporting extremist causes now, I cannot keep up with them.And I surely don't want to inadvertently advocate to or for them. Or, financially support any cause that they are involved in/with.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:25:55pm |
re: #615 reine.de.tout
Well, actually, it's a given that she will have to work and help pay for college.
But our college savings fund is not what it used to be. She's gonna have to work AND get a scholarship or two, OR choose a college in-state.
{reine}.. I know I have crazy ideas about college..But if I ran things..
I would invest in America.. All State Colleges would be free ...You want to go to brown at 30k a yr.? Fine..But a state school..Totally free..
I could probably pay for the whole thing if I cut the dept. of education out of the budget..pretty ironic isn't it?
| 663 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:00pm |
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NY Nana Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:07pm |
re: #589 jwb7605
I think she is stuck on stupid when it comes to what actually constitutes torture. I wonder if she saw NYC pre-and post-9/11? But I doubt it would have helped.
| 665 |
Keyboard Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:08pm |
Will people just please calm down? Everyone's unicorns can't be mailed out if we don't pass this bill.
| 667 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:11pm |
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Noam Sayin' Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:31pm |
re: #647 Ojoe
Can't wait to get some Mr. Stripey maters in the ground.
Best frickin' tomato you'll ever eat.
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jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:33pm |
re: #655 MandyManners
Did Wall Sreet start this or, did CRA promoted by the Democrats?
Here's part of what happened:
The proposed Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999 would do away with restrictions on the integration of banking, insurance and stock trading imposed by the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, one of the central pillars of Roosevelt's New Deal. Under the old law, banks, brokerages and insurance companies were effectively barred from entering each others' industries, and investment banking and commercial banking were separated.The certain result of repeal of Glass-Steagall will be a wave of mergers surpassing even the colossal combinations of the past several years. The Wall Street Journal wrote, "With the stroke of the president's pen, investment firms like Merrill Lynch & Co. and banks like Bank of America Corp., are expected to be on the prowl for acquisitions." The financial press predicted that the most likely mergers would come from big banks acquiring insurance companies, with John Hancock, Prudential and The Hartford all expected to be targeted.
[Link: www.wsws.org...]
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BryanS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:55pm |
re: #659 Charles
The stimulus bill is going to pass. Probably tomorrow.
Why do you say that? I hope not...see, Obama can inspire hope even in me :) Really, do you see Republicans caving on this when there are enough Democrats in the Senate siding with them to give cover?
| 674 |
Sifty Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:57pm |
re: #659 Charles
Let them own it. This mess will only Change presidents in 2012.
| 675 |
devil in baggy pants Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:26:59pm |
| 676 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:08pm |
re: #597 Walter L. Newton
Constipated?
didn't want to give them a plug. No wait, I didn't mean to say that ....
| 677 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:09pm |
My idea of a pork buster...:)
| 678 |
stevieray Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:13pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine.
I have no clue what's after him . . .
Ghost dog!
Apparently, my house has one as well...
| 679 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:21pm |
re: #640 Dustyvet
LOL, I once had a Tortie Shell who loved to ride on my shoulder, she was with me for 16 and half years. She's missed.
:D
I'm glad my domestic shorthair doesn't like to get on my shoulder (or lap). She weighs about 15 pounds. My Siamese weights about 9 pounds. Even though he's about half her size, he starts all of the fights.
| 680 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:38pm |
re: #656 Walter L. Newton
Animals do that all the time. They can see "things" that we can't see, things that live on the edge of our reality. Maisey the Parrot will do that. I will be watching her, or talking to her, and she will sudden;y turn her head, or stretch up straight, like something just walked into the room.
When any animal starts doing that, I advise you not to turn off any more lights, and if you are already in the dark, then it may be best to turn on some lights, or move to a room with more lights.
And one other thing, watch where you step.
Walter - I've got a dog and 4 cats.
I always watch where I step.
There is usually something creepy on the floor daily (hairball, throw-up, chunks of fur, the debris of life)
| 681 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:27:46pm |
re: #655 MandyManners
Did Wall Sreet start this or, did CRA promoted by the Democrats?
The long answer: Saving Our Economy: What'$ Next?
| 683 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:28:00pm |
Charges dropped vs. suspect in 2000 USS Cole blast
The Pentagon says the senior military judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay has dropped charges against a suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing.
The military charges against suspected al-Qaida bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active war crimes case at Guantanamo Bay.
The legal move by Susan J. Crawford, the top legal authority for military trials at Guantanamo, brings all cases into compliance with President Barack Obama's executive order to halt all terrorist court proceedings at the U.S. Navy base in Cuba.
/well. I guess the matter's out of Judge Pohl's hands now
| 684 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:28:24pm |
re: #51 Charles
I'm almost ready to completely resign from politics. I don't want anything to do with any of these people, Democrats or Republicans. Our political system stinks to high heaven, from all sides.
You will then be entitled to:
1-Pell Grant
2-Medicaid
3-Section 8
4-A NEA Grant
5-Reduced Fare Bus Card
6-Four Hour/Day Home Health Aide
7-Meals-On-Wheels
8-Free Nicotine Patches
| 686 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:28:51pm |
re: #636 jcw46
Used to live on N. LaSalle st. about 2 blocks s from the drugstore that had the tylenol deaths (division?). also uses to live over near Lincoln park off n clark st. Love chicago.
There was a Osco at Clark and Division, though I don't know if its still there. I think though, that the drug store that was hit with the poisoned bottles was a Walgreens at the corner of Wells and North Avenue, a store that is still extant.
| 687 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:29:12pm |
re: #667 Jetpilot1101
We're FUCKED!
I know you mean that in the bad sense of the term, as opposed to the Lenny Bruce sense of the term.
| 688 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:29:48pm |
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gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:15pm |
re: #666 Ojoe
An anagram of "Stimulus": is
"It slums us."
It slum us - there's only 2 s's in "stimulus".
I like:
"US litmus"
"Slum suit"
"US lit sum"
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aic4ever Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:16pm |
re: #663 doppelganglander
I just know he's the only Republican Governor not waffling in his beliefs in arguing against the stimulus, and every time I see him speaking, he impresses me more and more.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:18pm |
re: #661 notutopia
Superb idea! There are so many insidious partnerships supporting extremist causes now, I cannot keep up with them.And I surely don't want to inadvertently advocate to or for them. Or, financially support any cause that they are involved in/with.
I'm wondering if there is still a connection between European Nazis and Arab Nazis. I wouldn't be surprised.
| 693 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:36pm |
re: #662 HoosierHoops
{reine}.. I know I have crazy ideas about college..But if I ran things..
I would invest in America.. All State Colleges would be free ...You want to go to brown at 30k a yr.? Fine..But a state school..Totally free..
I could probably pay for the whole thing if I cut the dept. of education out of the budget..pretty ironic isn't it?
Hoops, you're not gonna believe this.
In Louisiana, there is a program that pays the state college or university tuition for students who have a certain score on the ACT, or have a high GPA (not sure exactly what the cut-off is).
Program intended to keep the best and brightest here in Louisiana. It is strictly merit-based, not need-based.
If she will go to LSU or UNO or any of the state colleges, her tuition will be paid in full.
So, we have your program!
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Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:38pm |
re: #605 CyanSnowHawk
I don't see her as ready yet, nor in 4 years. She may prove me wrong, but I don't think she is the one. I'll let you know in '12.
CyanSnowHawk-
We will respectfully disagree here -AND- remembering the vilification and ridicule heaped on REAGAN (which to my shame I was a part of) suspect Ms. Heath will eventually have them eating Moose Chili as well as their words.
-S-
| 695 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:30:51pm |
re: #680 reine.de.tout
Walter - I've got a dog and 4 cats.
I always watch where I step.
There is usually something creepy on the floor daily (hairball, throw-up, chunks of fur, the debris of life)
Sounds like my house. One cat is such a persistent offender, she is probably not going to last the year in our house. She's great in other ways, very affectionate, and I think she'd make a good only cat for someone. Anyone want a fluffy black cat, spayed female, about 5 years old?
| 697 |
Hobbes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:09pm |
| 698 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:25pm |
| 699 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:28pm |
It started at 800billion.
now it's up to 900b - and the jokers say they want to trim 1b off.
Oh - how grand. thanks.
We know the rinos will sign on. I can only hope the rest of the R's in the senate vote no. Let the democrats own this piece of crap.
| 701 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:53pm |
re: #692 MandyManners
I'm wondering if there is still a connection between European Nazis and Arab Nazis. I wouldn't be surprised.
Between Aryans and Iranians?
;)
(Before you post back - YES, I know Iranians aren't Arab! It's the only way the joke would work.)
| 702 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:58pm |
re: #619 jaunte
Privatizing profits and socializing risk will not improve the economy.
Socializing risk leads to risk homeostasis - people feeling that since they don't have to bare the full brunt of thier choices - they make riskier choices.
The advent of antilock breaks brought about more accidents from people speeding because they felt safer going faster BECAUSE they now had antilock breaks.
Applies to teenagers, sex and condoms that allegedly make sex "safe" - led to 1/4 of all teenage girls now has a sexually transmitted disease. They were willing to take bigger risks, with the promise of greater safety.
Applies to states make more and more generous welfare benefits and figuring they will just appeal to the feds to bail them out.
| 703 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:59pm |
| 704 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:31:59pm |
| 705 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:03pm |
re: #659 Charles
The stimulus bill is going to pass. Probably tomorrow.
I'm not as sure of that as you are, Charles. We'll have to see what happens. I'm still hoping the bill goes down in flames.
| 706 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:03pm |
| 707 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:18pm |
re: #688 Ojoe
huh. I'll read in detail later, but for now, I'm off to read a bit.
| 708 |
Randall Gross Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:28pm |
We don't need the stimulus, but we do need the toxic waste loans bought off. Money is all about trust, it's a lot of things, banked time, banked energy, banked interest, but mostly it's trust and faith. Right now there's not a lot of trust or faith because of those tangled toxic waste securities. Whether you like the bankers or not, this is what it is. Trust has got to be put back, and to do that there are some clear steps to take.
1. Get the toxic waste off the books, nobody knows which bank or insurance co is holding it, remove that unknown.
2. The dems must tell people clearly what they are going to do on taxes the next four years. The beancounters don't know, they can't plan.
You do those two things, this all turns around. The rest of that bill is 100 percent pork, you can't buy yourself out of recession anymore than a company can buy true employee loyalty.
Right now my co. hasn't set their budget this year, the latest we've ever been in this state - including 2002 when the budget was final in Jan. They are sitting on five billion in cash above normal operating budget because they can't predict what they will need, what interest rates will be, what the value of a dollar will be. Two things, and we move forward.
| 709 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:44pm |
re: #675 devil in baggy pants
why do you think so?
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
| 710 |
wee fury Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:45pm |
With Spendulus . . . I fear we are on the road to nowhere.
| 711 |
jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:46pm |
I sent this to reine this afternoon.
This a great basketball story...even if you don't like the game.
| 712 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:49pm |
re: #650 Syrah
My employer required all of the company's employees to take a 20% reduction in hours for the month of February.
I will be spending my "off" time building a green house in the backyard.
Oh Syrah, it will pay for itself in no time, if you sprout your own heirloom seed and plant your own starts and transplants. It will save you lots of money.
I set up a hydroponic seed starter last year in my greenhouse. I don't even need to use soil to get my garden plants sprouted this way.
| 713 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:56pm |
re: #668 FrogMarch
SENATOR DEBBIE STABENOW (D-MI): I think it’s absolutely time to pass a standard. Now, whether it’s called the Fairness Standard, whether it’s called something else — I absolutely think it’s time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves. I mean, our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency. You know, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And, I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place.
UPDATE: A commenter points out that Stabenow is married to Tom Athans, a liberal talk radio executive.
| 714 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:32:59pm |
| 715 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:01pm |
re: #641 ArmyWife
He heard WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE IF WE DON'T PASS THIS BILL from our President.
Obama: Michelle's gonna be so mad if this this bill doesn't pass. Please help me!
| 716 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:02pm |
re: #695 doppelganglander
Sounds like my house. One cat is such a persistent offender, she is probably not going to last the year in our house. She's great in other ways, very affectionate, and I think she'd make a good only cat for someone. Anyone want a fluffy black cat, spayed female, about 5 years old?
She doesn't get along with the others?
She sounds great. Two of my cats are black; one very fluffy calico who is seriously demented; and an 18-year-old tabby.
| 717 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:29pm |
I hear Reid put off the Senate vote until tomorrow.
If the Senate passes a bill it won't bear any resemblance to the House bill- and the conference negotiations are going to be an absolute cluster. If it doesn't pass Obama, Pelosi and Reid look like idiots- bad politicians as well as bad policy geeks.
The Dow will drop like a rock whether the stimulus bill passes or doesn't.
They're in a no win situation. It looks like Obama has cast his lot with Pelosi and the House Democrats. Bill Clinton would pull up a focus group and know real fast how unpopular the bill is. Obama was supposed to be smart.
| 718 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:37pm |
re: #711 jorline
I sent this to reine this afternoon.
This a great basketball story...even if you don't like the game.
Is indeed a very very great story.
Have tissues at the ready.
| 720 |
ArmyWife Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:52pm |
re: #707 ArmyWife
ummm...that sounded dumb. Off to read a book, in bed, then sleep.
| 721 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:33:54pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
I hope all the Republicans who vote for it know WE'RE WATCHING.
| 722 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:00pm |
re: #668 FrogMarch
And notice, it is already barreling along, full speed ahead. He said he was going to do all this and no one is going to stop him. He will posture and fawn for the camera's, making it appear that he is in trouble, and then he becomes victorious.
That's what happened this evening. He didn't need to make that appeal to the public, since Washington is not listening to us anyway. So why the show. Because it makes it look like he out their fighting.
And then, tomorrow, it passes. And Obama wipes his brow and thanks all Americans for supporting him (gee, how many phone calls in support of the bill did they get tonight).
In reality, NOTHING HAPPENED. It was all a show, a public display of your Chairman in action. This is no difference than the public displays that any Marxist mounts, the flag waving, the speeches, the feeling that WE ALL ARE PART OF IT.
Does anyone really think that we had anything to do with the bill passing, or could have had any effect on changing it? Of course not.
Right out of the Marxist playbook. Expect more of these public appearances, these pleas for support, watching our leader battle in the trenches for us.
Long live Big Brother.
| 723 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:06pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
FNDT Cancelled ?
| 724 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:10pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
and over the cliff we tumble.
| 725 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:20pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
Excellent answer. They might throw another cabinet nominee under the bus for cover, too.
| 726 |
jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:25pm |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
Is indeed a very very great story.
Have tissues at the ready.
lol...I lost it.
| 727 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:27pm |
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
| 728 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:33pm |
re: #686 Dark_Falcon
There was a Osco at Clark and Division, though I don't know if its still there. I think though, that the drug store that was hit with the poisoned bottles was a Walgreens at the corner of Wells and North Avenue, a store that is still extant.
yep that's it, one block over. Hell of a landmark but I was living there then and used to go to that store for stuff. yeeeeuwwwww. man was I creeped out.
| 729 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:50pm |
re: #672 jcbunga
I want 2 horns on my unicorn.
If you get a dairy goat or two, you'll have fresh milk, and cheese, year round. Much more functional than that unicorn.
| 730 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:34:52pm |
re: #641 ArmyWife
He heard WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE IF WE DON'T PASS THIS BILL from our President.
hahahaha!
Yes, that's it!
Well, Charles says it will be passed tomorrow.
So I will tell the cat and maybe he will calm down LOL.
| 732 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:35:24pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
The counter to that is as follows: Those with Senators who are not not crazy left but who might vote this monstrosity should call said senators tomorrow morning. Don't let them think you aren't watching.
| 733 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:35:38pm |
| 735 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:35:54pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
Is that a guess, qualified opinion, or do you have inside info?
| 737 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:36:11pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
Without Republicans, and some Dems. I hope.
| 738 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:36:14pm |
re: #692 MandyManners
I'm wondering if there is still a connection between European Nazis and Arab Nazis. I wouldn't be surprised.
What's the difference? (btw that would make a great question on a quiz show.)
| 739 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:36:35pm |
| 740 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:36:40pm |
re: #713 MandyManners
UPDATE: A commenter points out that Stabenow is married to Tom Athans, a liberal talk radio executive.
funny.
The left can't make it on their own on talk radio - Lord knows they keep trying. Nobody wants to listen to assholes like Randi Rhodes all day. So the left feels cheated - and now they must force themselves upon us. Free speech be damned. It's not fair that Air America is shitty. So force "right wing" talk radio out.
Fascists.
| 741 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:36:57pm |
| 742 |
devil in baggy pants Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:07pm |
re: #724 nyc redneck
and over the cliff we tumble.
Nah, that happened last fall. Now we are just taking bigger bounces on our way down.
Don't forget that Bush, Boehner, Cantor, et al all started this ball rolling with the BBO (Big Bail Out) in the fall... Obama's just taking the ball and running with it, so to speak.
| 743 |
jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:31pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
[DELETED]
Cowards, turncoats, yellow striped, chicken livered cowards.
THEY WILL HAVE FAILED THEIR SWORN DUTY!
| 744 |
Kosh's Shadow Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:32pm |
re: #732 Dark_Falcon
The counter to that is as follows: Those with Senators who are not not crazy left but who might vote this monstrosity should call said senators tomorrow morning. Don't let them think you aren't watching.
That lets those of us in Moonbattachusetts out.
Kerry and Kennedy, two specimens of Moonbatticus Senatus
| 745 |
jcbunga Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:40pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
Everyone in office has failed. Even the quasi-conservatives. They've all failed and need to go.
There are only 2 possibilities--
--If they actually believe this will stimulate the economy, they are morons and no nothing of history or economics.
--If they know it won't work, they have betrayed the nation at a dire time of need.
In either case, they all have to go.
| 746 |
Stonemason Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:47pm |
re: #693 reine.de.tout
Hoops, you're not gonna believe this.
In Louisiana, there is a program that pays the state college or university tuition for students who have a certain score on the ACT, or have a high GPA (not sure exactly what the cut-off is).Program intended to keep the best and brightest here in Louisiana. It is strictly merit-based, not need-based.
If she will go to LSU or UNO or any of the state colleges, her tuition will be paid in full.
So, we have your program!
Georgia has a similar program, based on High School grades and paid for by state lottery proceeds.
(disclaimer, I live in PA, my wife is from GA, her family is still there)
| 747 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:50pm |
re: #736 jcm
Ban extra bottle or case, where gonna' need it.
And the Bong too........[No offense to Michael Phelps]
| 748 |
Randall Gross Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:37:55pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
I agree, because there is one "must do" in the bill, and some pork they want.
| 750 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:38:07pm |
re: #713 MandyManners
Saw that...here it comes...this is a war on liberty and the constitution. I think many people will express their displeasure over this.
| 752 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:38:45pm |
re: #701 gmsc
Between Aryans and Iranians?
;)
(Before you post back - YES, I know Iranians aren't Arab! It's the only way the joke would work.)
HA!
| 753 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:38:51pm |
re: #745 jcbunga
Everyone in office has failed. Even the quasi-conservatives. They've all failed and need to go.
Not George Soros. He succeeded.
| 754 |
irish rose Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:38:55pm |
Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.
And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
| 755 |
jcbunga Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:39:01pm |
re: #745 jcbunga
Everyone in office has failed. Even the quasi-conservatives. They've all failed and need to go.
There are only 2 possibilities--
--If they actually believe this will stimulate the economy, they are morons and no know nothing of history or economics.
--If they know it won't work, they have betrayed the nation at a dire time of need.In either case, they all have to go.
I'm so pissed I can't type.
| 758 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:39:50pm |
re: #693 reine.de.tout
Hoops, you're not gonna believe this.
In Louisiana, there is a program that pays the state college or university tuition for students who have a certain score on the ACT, or have a high GPA (not sure exactly what the cut-off is).Program intended to keep the best and brightest here in Louisiana. It is strictly merit-based, not need-based.
If she will go to LSU or UNO or any of the state colleges, her tuition will be paid in full.
So, we have your program!
Georgia has the HOPE scholarship. Any high school grad in the state who has a 3.0 average or better gets full tuition and a book allowance at state schools, and a smaller amount at Georgia private colleges. The problem is, there's rampant grade inflation in the high schools, especially in urban and rural areas where the schools are not very good. So you've got thousands of underqualified kids chasing a finite number of slots. You have to keep that 3.0 in college to keep getting the scholarship. At UGA, less than a third of freshman keep HOPE as sophomores. So it's almost impossible to get into UGA with less than a 4.0, yet you could probably transfer in a year or two later with no trouble at all.
| 759 |
Dustyvet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:39:58pm |
re: #754 irish rose
Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Yummy...:)
| 760 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:00pm |
What would be the political advantage for Repubilcans to whore themselves for this bill that only 37% of people approve of? Undoubtedly, those people are all Democrats.
| 761 |
aic4ever Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:12pm |
If this thing passes tomorrow, I think we can all rejoice in having become subjects to our own personal Chavez or Putin. If this abortion survives (with nobody to throw it out with the old magazines instead) then we all better be leery of the eventual bill to eliminate the two-term limit on the presidency as well
| 762 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:22pm |
re: #728 jcw46
yep that's it, one block over. Hell of a landmark but I was living there then and used to go to that store for stuff. yeeeeuwwwww. man was I creeped out.
so was I. But after a couple of months my father and I started going to that Walgreen's again. It's a good place to buy some things that the Treasure Island next door doesn't carry. I know the Walgreen's is still open though I haven't been in there in about 16 months.
| 763 |
thefarmer Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:31pm |
re: #364 avanti
They paid for the retreat, the tax payers picked up the train fare and security.
I'm confused. You're telling me Obama took the train? We were talking about the cost of the president traveling.
From what I understand it's his first trip outside of DC. I really don't begrudge the cost of his travel. It's the silly azz campainging nonsense he spouted, all partisan while decrying partisainship, that bugs me. Simply not presidential. He's the one saying it calls for a rise above the politics as usual and seconds later, says the way it's always done.
T
| 764 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:31pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
There's not much else they can do if they don't have the votes to block it.
/if it passes, at least Obama might shut up about the economy
| 765 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:35pm |
re: #760 DistantThunder
What would be the political advantage for Repubilcans to whore themselves for this bill that only 37% of people approve of? Undoubtedly, those people are all Democrats.
Not according to Charles.
| 766 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:50pm |
re: #748 Thanos
I agree, because there is one "must do" in the bill, and some pork they want.
Of course there is pork they want. The ones that are sitting in office in DC didn't get there because they are boy scouts or something. They are there because they now owe someone, some company, something, they owe something.
And one way or another, that bill probably contains something that will pay the deals off.
I've been saying this for months and all I get is they won't fail us. Bullshit. They did that years ago, most of us just missed the memo.
| 767 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:53pm |
re: #754 irish rose
Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Damn.
I was just about to get rid of the temptation to go finish off the ice cream in my freezer.
Think I'll just go get it . . .
| 768 |
jcw46 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:54pm |
re: #740 FrogMarch
funny.
The left can't make it on their own on talk radio - Lord knows they keep trying. Nobody wants to listen to assholes like Randi Rhodes all day. So the left feels cheated - and now they must force themselves upon us. Free speech be damned. It's not fair that Air America is shitty. So force "right wing" talk radio out.
Fascists.
the "fairness" doctrine has nothing to do with promoting liberal radio. it's about stifling conservatives. nothing more, nothing less.
| 771 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:57pm |
re: #722 Walter L. Newton
And then, tomorrow, it passes. And Obama wipes his brow and thanks all Americans for supporting him (gee, how many phone calls in support of the bill did they get tonight).In reality, NOTHING HAPPENED. It was all a show, a public display of your Chairman in action. This is no difference than the public displays that any Marxist mounts, the flag waving, the speeches, the feeling that WE ALL ARE PART OF IT.
really - spot on.
| 772 |
Stonemason Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:40:59pm |
re: #758 doppelganglander
Thanks for that insight, I didn't realize it was so tough to maintain.
| 773 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:10pm |
re: #738 jcw46
What's the difference? (btw that would make a great question on a quiz show.)
One kind has more melanin?
| 774 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:17pm |
re: #626 reine.de.tout
My youngest cat just tore through the room, literally bounced off a wall, ran into the laundry room and hid behind the washing machine.
I have no clue what's after him . . .
Halp, mai tale iz pozezd!
| 775 |
BryanS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:22pm |
re: #688 Ojoe
Check out the revived Whig party.
No kidding.
Hmmm interesting. But a centrist party--not sure if such a thing taking root would ever be a good thing. Imagine the centrist party allying with the far left party and horse trading far left policies for the support. That's what happens in European countries.
| 776 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:30pm |
re: #750 DistantThunder
Saw that...here it comes...this is a war on liberty and the constitution. I think many people will express their displeasure over this.
Not anyone that matters.
| 777 |
tackle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:35pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
From Malkin's site:
Buzz on the Hill is that the Senate may vote today on the Generational Theft Act of 2009. Harry Reid and the Dems are desperate to end public debate.
And then there’s this oh-so-important consideration (hat tip: Rob Neppell):
“An analyst on Bloomberg just said the talk in Washington is that the Stimulus bill must pass today because many Senators are booked to a security “junket” to Munich tomorrow. Your govt. at work.”
| 778 |
A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:37pm |
re: #726 jorline
lol...I lost it.
Hey..Is that the story i woke up to at 6am on ESPN.. The kid that was a senior in high school on the basketball team. He has downs syndrom and just did everything..water boy...drill guy, towel boy..And on the final game of the year..on Senior night..they let him play and he scored 6 points...It was a heart warming story..But at 6am..no coffee..lawdy...TIVO it..
| 779 |
Hobbes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:42pm |
re: #480 Dark_Falcon
No, I give money to GOP candidates, I go to Republican events, I always make sure to vote, and I do my best to convince those around me that the candidates and policies I support are the right ones.
I do that also. But, others really don't understand Illinois politics. If there is a chance a Democrat won't win, (very unlikely in areas near Chicago), they just change their party...but, they are still Democrats. The Republican party in Illinois is pretty much a schill for the Democrats to blame as part of the problem when things go down the toilet, as they are now
| 780 |
Catttt Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:41:44pm |
OK. I'm turning of this work comp. Going to relax, take a nice hot bath, and read Twilight again. Be back later.
| 781 |
devil in baggy pants Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:02pm |
re: #766 Walter L. Newton
Of course there is pork they want. The ones that are sitting in office in DC didn't get there because they are boy scouts or something. They are there because they now owe someone, some company, something, they owe something.
And one way or another, that bill probably contains something that will pay the deals off.
I've been saying this for months and all I get is they won't fail us. Bullshit. They did that years ago, most of us just missed the memo.
DING DING DING! We have a winnah!
| 782 |
Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:13pm |
re: #740 FrogMarch
funny.
The left can't make it on their own on talk radio - Lord knows they keep trying. Nobody wants to listen to assholes like Randi Rhodes all day. So the left feels cheated - and now they must force themselves upon us. Free speech be damned. It's not fair that Air America is shitty. So force "right wing" talk radio out.
Fascists.
Totalitarians.
| 783 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:22pm |
re: #708 Thanos
We don't need the stimulus, but we do need the toxic waste loans bought off.
Look for another big announcement Monday night.
| 784 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:34pm |
Not to beat a dead meme here, but, seeing this clusterf*ck in progress, I join Mandy et al in extending my congratulations to those who sat out the last election because McCain wasn't conservative enough.
And don't gimme that : "Well, he might have been just as bad" stuff, either.
I disagreed with him on many matters, and think he was wrong on a number of issues, but he couldn't have been as bad as what we are watching now if he'd been shell-shocked, lobotomized, drunk, and had just dropped three tabs of acid before smoking Angel Dust and shooting a quick speedball.
And think - we're only two weeks and two days into it!
| 785 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:41pm |
re: #769 Jetpilot1101
Charles has requested that we not use this blog to discuss that subject. He has deleted a number of posts on this thread already.
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Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:43pm |
Maybe my family of four is in hock for this bill to the tune of 900 billion divided by 300 million, times four, so:
$12,000 & that is if there is no interest on it...
I don't think I will get my money's worth...
| 787 |
NY Nana Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:48pm |
| 789 |
Dublin(CA)Dude Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:53pm |
I'm getting some word of a proposed grass roots movement: A Tax Revolt.
The idea is until Daschle, Geithner, Rangel, Dodd, etc., are all charged and brought to trial on tax evasion charges, all citizens should just sign their tax returns, mark them "Rangel Rule", and file without claiming refunds or paying what is due. No numbers entered, period. Blank, but signed, returns. If a few million of us "little people" did that, it might just get the attention of THE ONE. And the feds don't have the manpower to get us all. I'm giving this idea some serious thought. I hope others do as well.
| 790 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:42:56pm |
re: #740 FrogMarch
funny.
The left can't make it on their own on talk radio - Lord knows they keep trying. Nobody wants to listen to assholes like Randi Rhodes all day. So the left feels cheated - and now they must force themselves upon us. Free speech be damned. It's not fair that Air America is shitty. So force "right wing" talk radio out.
Fascists.
It's deeper than that. This is the means to utterly undermine the Constitution. America can withstand financial crises but, obliterating the First Amendment?
WOLVERINES!
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Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:02pm |
re: #760 DistantThunder
What would be the political advantage for Repubilcans to whore themselves for this bill that only 37% of people approve of?
In some cases half the calls they were getting were for this bill. The opposition is well organized, we tend to sit around and call each other RINO's.
| 792 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:22pm |
re: #754 irish rose
Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Obama does not approve, and the rest of the world will not either, DistantThunder excepted.
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nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:23pm |
re: #742 devil in baggy pants
Nah, that happened last fall. Now we are just taking bigger bounces on our way down.
Don't forget that Bush, Boehner, Cantor, et al all started this ball rolling with the BBO (Big Bail Out) in the fall... Obama's just taking the ball and running with it, so to speak.
only a socialist power monger like O push lard like this. this is obscene.
| 795 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:50pm |
re: #716 reine.de.tout
She doesn't get along with the others?
She sounds great. Two of my cats are black; one very fluffy calico who is seriously demented; and an 18-year-old tabby.
She's very jealous. She'll hiss at the others if they come near her. She's also damaging my marriage. She loves my husband and wants to cuddle with him at night. This also involves her walking on my head to get to him. He goes in the other room to let me get some rest. I could probably put up with all that because she's very sweet when she wants to be, but I can't handle what she's done to my carpets and baseboards.
| 796 |
Scion9 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:53pm |
re: #638 avanti
Many economists disagree and think the stimulus is needed, but that stuff is above my pay grade.
Many of those same economists, such as Krugman, were also supporters of the programs that caused the recession as well, on the premise that they were good for the economy. Hell, Krugman had the misfortune of having a book hit the market about how great bubbles are for the economy, just as the Housing bubble collapsed. Just in time to collect his little award too. There is a seriously credibility issue here.
So of all the economists that spotted this coming down the pipe, which ones are involved in this nightmare? None that I am aware of.
| 797 |
MandyManners Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:43:58pm |
re: #753 Boxy_brown
Not George Soros. He succeeded.
Not yet.
Those who love freedom still draw breath.
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Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:44:35pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:44:45pm |
re: #754 irish rose
Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.And there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Good evening.. The lizards are here for you..
/just don't drop any ice cream..grrrrr.. :)
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Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:44:48pm |
re: #785 Walter L. Newton
Charles has requested that we not use this blog to discuss that subject. He has deleted a number of posts on this thread already.
Then I apologize to Charles and he may delete the post at his leisure. It was not a call for it, just an observation.
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Sheepdogess Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:44:54pm |
| 802 |
republic Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:45:24pm |
re: #26 Charles
He's sensed the people's deep frustrations.
Why do Democrats always talk like this?
Charles, it's called "Abused Liberal Syndrome".
It's like the abused woman who keeps going back to her abusive husband, "I promise I won't hurt you again".
The Democrats promise, and promise and promise, and the poor get poorer, and the middle class get poorer, and the Democrats laugh all the way to the bank, just ask Jane Harmon(D)CA, who is worth more than $500 million, while pretending to care about the Americans that she is supposed to SERVE.
These sick Democrats could care less about anybody, but the power and control over every American, that is what they have always craved, and their actions over the past 4 decades are living proof.
The idiot Americans who voted these sick Democrats to office, deserve the living hell that is coming their way.
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DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:45:32pm |
re: #791 Boxy_brown
In some cases half the calls they were getting were for this bill. The opposition is well organized, we tend to sit around and call each other RINO's.
But they know the gallup and rasmussen numbers and they suck, calls or no calls.
| 804 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:45:46pm |
re: #794 jcm
Mr. Smith where are you.
[Video]
Mr. Smith was a fictional movie character. We don't need any more of them in Washington. We already got the American Idolization of the President.
| 805 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:04pm |
re: #793 nyc redneck
only a socialist power monger like O push lard like this. this is obscene.
Called dictator - the temper is the big giveaway.
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aic4ever Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:09pm |
re: #789 Dublin(CA)Dude
It started 30 years ago. Wikipedia Irwin Schiff...Peter Schiff's dad...currently serving 13 years for refusing to pay the IRS because it, and the Tax Court are unconstitutional.
| 807 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:11pm |
re: #775 BryanS
A BIG centrist party could throw both sets of extremists out into the howling political wilderness where they belong.
There needs to be at least three big parties, you cannot have a center with two; with the number two there is no center.
| 808 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:28pm |
re: #804 Walter L. Newton
Mr. Smith was a fictional movie character. We don't need any more of them in Washington. We already got the American Idolization of the President.
Damn, Walter! On a roll tonight!
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jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:33pm |
re: #778 HoosierHoops
Hey..Is that the story i woke up to at 6am on ESPN.. The kid that was a senior in high school on the basketball team. He has downs syndrom and just did everything..water boy...drill guy, towel boy..And on the final game of the year..on Senior night..they let him play and he scored 6 points...It was a heart warming story..But at 6am..no coffee..lawdy...TIVO it..
Hey Hoopster.
It's a different story HH. Watch the video...it's great. This was a CBS story.
| 810 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:39pm |
re: #786 Ojoe
I'll be happy if $12,000 is all it costs my family.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:45pm |
re: #779 Hobbes
I do that also. But, others really don't understand Illinois politics. If there is a chance a Democrat won't win, (very unlikely in areas near Chicago), they just change their party...but, they are still Democrats. The Republican party in Illinois is pretty much a schill for the Democrats to blame as part of the problem when things go down the toilet, as they are now
There are good Republicans in my state, sir. Congressmen Peter Roskum and Mark Kirk are two such men. I am of the firm belief that the GOP can take back the Governor's Mansion in 2010 if we run a good candidate here.
| 812 |
Dr. Shalit Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:46:55pm |
re: #670 jaunte
jaunte -
Always remember that repeal of Glass-Steagall did NOT result in much more to the average BANK customer that another Desk in their Bank where financial instruments - Not FDIC Insured - and clearly labeled as such - were sold. As such, it was a convenience - with returns generally a bit below those of most major name Money Market or Mutual Funds. Please advise where Glass-Steagall repeal is to blame for the "Mess."
As for ENFORCEMENT of existing law in the last dozen or so years - Different Story.
-S-
| 814 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:47:39pm |
re: #803 DistantThunder
But they know the gallup and rasmussen numbers and they suck, calls or no calls.
They are craven cowards and they respond to their constituencies, not to gallup and rasmussen. If they are getting a bazillion calls from Moveon "community organizers" they are going to take notice.
| 815 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:47:42pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
How many and which ones?
If he gets more than ten I'll become a Whig. (Straight ticket voter since 1976.)
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FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:47:53pm |
re: #790 MandyManners
It's deeper than that. This is the means to utterly undermine the Constitution. America can withstand financial crises but, obliterating the First Amendment?
WOLVERINES!
How's this for transparency you idiot...people like to listen to conservative talk radio and not so much for liberals. There, transparent enough? If you want the numbers call up Arbitron, I'm sure they'll be happy to help you out.
| 817 |
HelloDare Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:47:59pm |
And to think that Obama won because Iraq was off the table because of the Surge that he was against.
| 818 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:02pm |
NY Times Moonbat Libtards Sink Into Depression: Obama Pre-Ejaculation Ruined His Honeymoon:
Is the Honeymoon Over?
By DAVID BROOKS AND GAIL COLLINS
Gail Collins: David, have I detected a note of sadness in your writing these days? I know it’s hard being an upbeat kinda guy when you’re watching legislation go through Congress. Urging legislators to do the right thing is like trying to housebreak a difficult puppy. You begin the day with great hopes and they always let you down — and don’t even look embarrassed about it.
Urging legislators to do the right thing is like trying to housebreak a difficult puppy.
But, to switch metaphors, I find it helpful to think of Congress as the political equivalent of abused children. Right now the Republicans are howling that the Democrats didn’t really consult with them. And of course the Democrats are snickering because they remember that when the Republicans were in charge they didn’t even accept Democratic input on the dining room menu. (All that red meat — geesh.)
And the Republicans who did the ignoring had their souls corroded from being under the Democrats’ heels for all those years before 95.
Anyhow, instead of putting the whole crew in therapy, maybe we should just accept them for what they are. Downgrade your expectations and keep a lot of old newspapers on hand.
Stay warm!
David Brooks: Gail, if there’s a dose of sadness in the stimulus columns, it’s because I’ve been robbed of my honeymoon.
I fully expected to get to support Obama right off the bat, because I think in his heart he is headed in a bunch of good directions. But this stimulus bill is just a mess, and I sense the tide of opinion is swinging away from it as currently constituted. It’s not only people like me, but also writers ranging from Bob Samuelson to Jeffrey Sachs, to editorial boards ranging from The Washington Post to The Philadelphia Inquirer who are critical of the hodgepodge nature of the thing. What’s the matter with a big payroll tax holiday? Helps the working class. Works fast. Can be shut off when the time comes.
What I’m really annoyed by, though, is the withdrawal of Tom Daschle. What are we, a nation of virgins?
Obama’s heart is headed in a bunch of good directions, but this stimulus package is a mess.
Passing legislation is hard, especially on something as tricky as health care. There are very few people who have the human capital to do it, and now those people are being wasted because of some hyper-Swedish standards about who is pure enough to serve in public office. This is like firing General Grant in the middle of the Civil War because he was known to have a few drinks.
Of course, Obama asked for all this with his cynical promise to ban lobbyists from his administration. There’s a word for lobbyists: experts. Some are sleazy and many are quite admirable, but the idea of trying to run Washington without them is absurd. I assumed Obama understood all this and the campaign blather was just for show. But it turns out he’s created a climate of Puritanism in which any error is grounds for disqualification.
In short order, he’s lost one potential official because she owed a few hundred dollars in back taxes over household help, and Daschle too.
In my view the whole culture is out of whack. We’ve leaned too far in the purity direction at the expense of competence. Bring back Dan Rostenkowski and Bob Packwood. Government worked better with folks like them in charge.
Gail Collins: David, this is the 21st century. Things move fast. If you get to honeymoon for a week, you’re lucky."
| 819 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:13pm |
| 820 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:25pm |
re: #763 thefarmer
I'm confused. You're telling me Obama took the train? We were talking about the cost of the president traveling.
From what I understand it's his first trip outside of DC. I really don't begrudge the cost of his travel. It's the silly azz campainging nonsense he spouted, all partisan while decrying partisainship, that bugs me. Simply not presidential. He's the one saying it calls for a rise above the politics as usual and seconds later, says the way it's always done.
T
The question was about the Dems travel to the retreat, the POTUS uses AF1.
| 821 |
Doubleview Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:32pm |
0bama responds to critics of further spending in the stimulus bill:
"First of all, I found this deficit when I showed up!"
Translation: He found himself in a hole, and decided to dig some more.
We all know how Charles hates that!
| 822 |
hazzyday Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:35pm |
The alinsky playbook at work to bookend the Lewinsky plan. This is what happens when a community activist who is a poor leader gets ahold of the purse strings. He will rob Peter to pay Paul. And if Peter was already in bad economic straits no stimulus will be achieved. Your neighbor just gets your car, while Patrick the union guy and Philip the teacher achieve windfalls while stimulating no one.
It's funny money with a political objective designed to let people game the economy on top of the Bank and Mortgage companies. People in Washington state do not need tax money from Oregon to build their highways when Washington staters send their tax money to Oregon to build their highways. The government then siphons off the fees and makes political regulations to achieve their values. The problem is system wide. Before long we will have prices controls and long gas lines again.
It's better to identify people with failing mortgages and loss of jobs and route the assistance to them. Also remove the 2005 bankruptcy laws so an individual can achieve the same situation as WAMU and start over. Individuals are still being hit with pre crash laws while the big boys have been able to get congress to change the rules for them.
No government agency should receive a dime of stimulus money.
| 823 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:47pm |
we need someone like john bolton in office now.
a strong, intelligent patriot.
| 824 |
yochanan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:48:52pm |
re: #578 Dustyvet
Did you get the "I ment to do that look?"
my cat would put out a 'HIT' so as to remove the witness
| 825 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:49:07pm |
re: #794 jcm
Mr. Smith where are you.
[Video]
Where have you gone, Joe Dimaggio? The nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
| 826 |
FrogMarch Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:49:16pm |
re: #816 FrogMarch
How's this for transparency you idiot...people like to listen to conservative talk radio and not so much for liberals. There, transparent enough? If you want the numbers call up Arbitron, I'm sure they'll be happy to help you out.
I love how Bill Press is agitating for this. It's the only way a fool like him will last on radio...if someone is forced to hire him.
And if conservative talk radio 'overwhelms people's opinions' (as Stabenow says), how exactly did the Democrats manage to take control of the Executive and Legislative branches of government?
Somebody should write a book about this kind of illiberal thinking. Maybe they could call is "Liberal Fascism" or something like that.
.
| 827 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:49:28pm |
re: #821 Doubleview
0bama responds to critics of further spending in the stimulus bill:
"First of all, I found this deficit when I showed up!"Translation: He found himself in a hole, and decided to dig some more.
We all know how Charles hates that!
Almost exactly 0bama's own words:
| 828 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:49:39pm |
re: #772 Stonemason
Thanks for that insight, I didn't realize it was so tough to maintain.
It shouldn't be. I told my oldest when she went to college, if she got below a 3.0 I was pulling the plug because anything below that clearly indicates you are not college material.
Some legislators a few years ago tried to introduce a minimum SAT requirement for HOPE but it got shot down because it was considered, you guessed it, racist.
| 829 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:49:41pm |
re: #812 Dr. Shalit
I think repealing Glass-Steagall made enforcement more complex, and so less likely. It was fine for the banks to gamble, and compete internationally when times were good, but we're all having to cover their bets now.
| 830 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:00pm |
| 831 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:01pm |
re: #758 doppelganglander
Georgia has the HOPE scholarship. Any high school grad in the state who has a 3.0 average or better gets full tuition and a book allowance at state schools, and a smaller amount at Georgia private colleges. The problem is, there's rampant grade inflation in the high schools, especially in urban and rural areas where the schools are not very good. So you've got thousands of underqualified kids chasing a finite number of slots. You have to keep that 3.0 in college to keep getting the scholarship. At UGA, less than a third of freshman keep HOPE as sophomores. So it's almost impossible to get into UGA with less than a 4.0, yet you could probably transfer in a year or two later with no trouble at all.
These are great programs. Ours requires a taking a "core" college prep curriculum in H.S., GPA of 3.0 or better, and min 23 on ACT (24 for LSU). If the student chooses a private university or college in-state, the program pays an average of the state univ. tuition costs.
Actually, one year in-state tuition at LSU is less than what we pay for her H.S. tuition. It's the on or off-campus living that would be expensive, and I just feel like when the kid goes to college, it's time to be out of the house.
| 832 |
TedStriker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:35pm |
re: #81 Walter L. Newton
Why? Both the Dems and Repubs want this, in one flavor or the other. They all have a lot of special interest to pay back. Calling or writing or what ever is not going to change anything.
Stone cold bet.
What, are you just gonna lay down and take it, Walter? The difference between the Republican and Democratic parties may be nil nowadays, but there's still plenty of differences between liberals and conservatives; as for myself, I may be a registered Republican, but I'm a conservative first.
Sometimes, it's tough to maintain in the face of ignoramuses who treat the presidential election as a popularity contest or a potential piggy bank. Dear Leader and his rubber-stamp Congress are trying to make things even tougher, but I ain't dead yet....
| 833 |
hazzyday Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:51pm |
re: #754 irish rose
That's advertising. Now I might have to buy some.
| 834 |
iLikeCandy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:50:58pm |
re: #709 Charles
Because it's Friday tomorrow, and the politicians we've elected know that they can get almost anything over on the American public if they do it on the weekend.
They'll argue and debate all day, then pass it right before they close for the weekend. Bam. Done.
The House and Senate bills still have to be put together in a conference committee, so it's not quite bam done yet. I say we keep calling Washington.
| 835 |
BryanS Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:08pm |
re: #807 Ojoe
A BIG centrist party could throw both sets of extremists out into the howling political wilderness where they belong.
There needs to be at least three big parties, you cannot have a center with two; with the number two there is no center.
Actually, I think quite the opposite happens. Moderates must belong to one of two parties. They exercise influence over their party to moderate their policies. Imagine a leftist party gaining control with 34% of the vote--happens all the time in Europe. They get to push policy hard to the left. And we all know how easy it is to undo government programs. I think splitting the parties more than two ways favors entrenchment of the left.
| 836 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:16pm |
re: #774 OldLineTexan
Halp, mai tale iz pozezd!
Thought for a minute you were speaking Hungarian, or something!
Several theories were offered above, but I like yours best. In fact, I have two cats who are pozezd. Or ADHD.
| 837 |
Inquisitive Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:19pm |
re: #727 Charles
The Republicans are going to sign off on this bill.
Charles... you will be pleased to know that I have deleted a couple of my post before pressing...post this comment. Just trying to keep you from doing any extra work....or making any comment that might look bad on your site. I am trying hard to be a polite guest. Thanks for letting me vent.....even though no one will ever know.....LOL.
| 839 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:40pm |
re: #818 ted
That's interesting, and it led me to realize something. The MSM is going to take all the hits for him. They are going to feel sad for him, they are going to wonder what he is up to for him, they are going to do all the pontificating for him, which is basically painting him with teflon.
| 840 |
A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:55pm |
re: #809 jorline
Hey Hoopster.
It's a different story HH. Watch the video...it's great. This was a CBS story.
Hey you! The sound has gone out of my home laptop..So I watch the videos and add my own vocals..But they are never right..I go to work and listen. Ruins everything.. *wink* It's the ending of the lakers game..one point..46 secs..exciting..
| 841 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:51:55pm |
re: #786 Ojoe
Maybe my family of four is in hock for this bill to the tune of 900 billion divided by 300 million, times four, so:
$12,000 & that is if there is no interest on it...
I don't think I will get my money's worth...
Don't forget we have regressive tax rate. The top 10% will probably get stuck with 80% of the tab.
| 842 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:53:12pm |
re: #821 Doubleview
0bama responds to critics of further spending in the stimulus bill: "First of all, I found this deficit when I showed up!"
Translation: He found himself in a hole, and decided to dig some more. We all know how Charles hates that!
What? I don't understand your comment.
| 843 |
nyc redneck Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:53:17pm |
and we have a socialist who is hell bent on destroying the very foundation and principles that made out country great.
oddly he sees us as a failed state.
he is a menace to the well being of the civilized world because he courts the praise of barbarians who would destroy it.
| 844 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:53:34pm |
re: #795 doppelganglander
She's very jealous. She'll hiss at the others if they come near her. She's also damaging my marriage. She loves my husband and wants to cuddle with him at night. This also involves her walking on my head to get to him. He goes in the other room to let me get some rest. I could probably put up with all that because she's very sweet when she wants to be, but I can't handle what she's done to my carpets and baseboards.
Ah.
My cats leave my carpets and baseboards alone; but they are outside doing cat-stuff during the day, and I think that makes a big difference.
The cat who just tore through here like he was possessed sleeps with us. He doesn't too often walk over me, but he does "pad" on my back, which actually feels pretty good so I don't mind.
| 845 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:53:51pm |
re: #834 iLikeCandy
The House and Senate bills still have to be put together in a conference committee, so it's not quite bam done yet. I say we keep calling Washington.
Agreed.
| 846 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:53:53pm |
re: #839 Walter L. Newton
That's interesting, and it led me to realize something. The MSM is going to take all the hits for him. They are going to feel sad for him, they are going to wonder what he is up to for him, they are going to do all the pontificating for him, which is basically painting him with teflon.
True..........But lopk how narcissistic and infantile these idiots are. Deluded too.
| 847 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:54:04pm |
re: #840 HoosierHoops
Hey you! The sound has gone out of my home laptop..So I watch the videos and add my own vocals..But they are never right..I go to work and listen. Ruins everything.. *wink* It's the ending of the lakers game..one point..46 secs..exciting..
And that Brittney video, she is really saying "Oops, I did hoosier again!"
| 848 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:54:07pm |
re: #841 avanti
The top 10% (in 2006) was anything over $108,904.
[Link: www.ntu.org...]
| 849 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:54:09pm |
The terrorist have blown the bridge at the Kyber pass this week - major complication for troop insertion.
| 850 |
jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:54:16pm |
re: #801 Sheepdogess
He's dead.
re: #804 Walter L. Newton
Mr. Smith was a fictional movie character. We don't need any more of them in Washington. We already got the American Idolization of the President.
Damn, you guys are no fun ;-)
TBO in '10.
Throw the Bastards Out!
But everyone ends up saying "our bastards isn't so bad, he brings home the bacon." So they all stay, we get the same old shit.
We whine and gripe about DC. When We The People have given it to them for the last 70 years.
*sigh*
Maybe if it all does coming crashing down, we can pick up the pieces.
| 851 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:54:28pm |
re: #783 avanti
Look for another big announcement Monday night.
From and about?
Don't tease us. Tell.
| 854 |
Jetpilot1101 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:55:33pm |
Goodnight Lizards. Tomorrow is a new day.
Charles, I apologize for my previous comment. Have a great evening all.
| 855 |
Randall Gross Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:55:43pm |
re: #842 Walter L. Newton
Charles often tags the latest outrage in media bias and moonbat posts with "X hits bottom, Keeps Digging", usually when he has to do a follow up regarding further lunacy after the first lunacy.
| 856 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:55:47pm |
re: #831 reine.de.tout
These are great programs. Ours requires a taking a "core" college prep curriculum in H.S., GPA of 3.0 or better, and min 23 on ACT (24 for LSU). If the student chooses a private university or college in-state, the program pays an average of the state univ. tuition costs.
Actually, one year in-state tuition at LSU is less than what we pay for her H.S. tuition. It's the on or off-campus living that would be expensive, and I just feel like when the kid goes to college, it's time to be out of the house.
I like yours better. To compute the HOPE GPA, Georgia only counts the academic courses, but there's no core courses required. Of course the colleges have their own requirements (4 years of English and so forth). I think the ACT makes the difference. If Georgia had passed something similar, it would save millions of dollars by locking out people who are not ready for college level work. Or maybe a two-tier requirement, where if you get a low SAT score, you can attend community college and eventually transfer. I'm a big fan of community college for people who are unprepared for college work.
| 857 |
Doubleview Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:55:48pm |
"Evening, lizards... just coming home from a hellish ten-hour shift.
I have a half gallon of Breyers Strawberry Ice Cream in the freezer, and a big bowl of it in my hands.
Going to eat it all.
I might even have *seconds*.
And there's nothing you can do to stop me"
re: #754 irish rose
Maybe not yet. But your "gluttony" will before too long be deemed a threat to the nation's health, and it will be our responsibility as loyal servants of the state to turn you in!
| 858 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:56:13pm |
re: #818 ted
Corruption and lack of integrity aren't cheap.
| 859 |
Guanxi88 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:56:18pm |
re: #849 DistantThunder
The terrorist have blown the bridge at the Kyber pass this week - major complication for troop insertion.
Interesting, is it not? I seem to recall the Taliban making a major strategic move (i.e., a decapitation attack on a Northern Alliance commander) shortly before pulling one of those "passionate inner struggles against personal immorality" using civilian airliners. Not fear mongering, but that's the first thing that popped into my head when I read the news.
| 861 |
solomonpanting Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:57:04pm |
re: #786 Ojoe
Maybe my family of four is in hock for this bill to the tune of 900 billion divided by 300 million, times four, so:
$12,000 & that is if there is no interest on it...
I don't think I will get my money's worth...
The only problem here is that all 300 million don't pay/contribute. The pool of contributors is much smaller, so the portions are higher than $3,000/citizen.
| 863 |
screaming_eagle Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:57:53pm |
re: #843 nyc redneck
and we have a socialist who is hell bent on destroying the very foundation and principles that made out country great.
oddly he sees us as a failed state.he is a menace to the well being of the civilized world because he courts the praise of barbarians who would destroy it.
That's why he says he wants to remake America.
| 864 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:57:54pm |
"0bama responds to critics of further spending in the stimulus bill:
"First of all, I found this deficit when I showed up!"
This is the response of a sociopath.
What he really is saying is it's not my responsibility now or its outcome.
| 865 |
Mich-again Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:57:55pm |
Obama's orders being complied with.. Charges dropped vs. suspect in 2000 USS Cole blast
WASHINGTON – The Pentagon's senior judge overseeing terror trials at Guantanamo Bay dropped charges Thursday against an al-Qaida suspect in the 2000 USS Cole bombing, upholding President Barack Obama's order to freeze military tribunals there. The charges against suspected al-Qaida bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri marked the last active Guantanamo war crimes case.
| 866 |
ted Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:58:47pm |
| 867 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:59:04pm |
re: #849 DistantThunder
The terrorist have blown the bridge at the Kyber pass this week - major complication for troop insertion.
Change! US To Delay Adding Troops To Afghanistan
Um, I seem to remember a certain candidate for President beating up on a then President about the need to focus on Afghanistan and add resources to the fight there.
ABC News has learned that Defense Secretary Robert Gates has decided to delay a decision to send additional troops into Afghanistan until after the Obama administration concludes its ongoing review of the strategy for Afghanistan.
The surprising decision comes after the much anticipated proposal to send three additional combat brigades to Afghanistan -- or 17,000 troops as reported by ABC News last week -- was presented to Secretary Gates for his approval this afternoon. The Pentagon troop proposal anticipated a large Marine brigade to be followed by two Army Brigade Combat Teams, including a Stryker Brigade. The top US general in Afghanistan , Gen. David McKiernan favors using the armored vehicles as a way of extending his troops' presence to remote regions of Afghanistan.
Gates told Congress last week that he anticipated that should a decision to send additional brigades be made, "we could have two of those brigades there probably by late spring, and potentially a third by mid-summer."
It's unclear how long the decision will be delayed given that the reviews are expected to go on for at least another few weeks and possibly a few months.
It makes no sense to drop troops in if you don't have a strategy for them but I fear this is simply the beginning of a very long wind down militarily around the world in the Age of Obama.
Ah remember the old days when Obama demanded troops be added to Afghanistan? And by 'old days' I mean 5 days ago.
Obama said he wants to add troops to turn back the Taliban, but he has not gone beyond the approximately 30,000 additional forces already under consideration by the previous administration. Those troops will nearly double the U.S. presence in Afghanistan this year. But they amount to a finger in the dike while Obama recalibrates a chaotic mishmash of military and development objectives.
Apparently the AP did not get the memo that we have always wanted to freeze troop levels in Afghanistan.
I wonder if Secretary Gates is feeling a little suckered right about now.
| 868 |
solomonpanting Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:59:25pm |
re: #861 solomonpanting
The only problem here is that all 300 million don't pay/contribute. The pool of contributors is much smaller, so the portions are higher than $3,000/citizen.
That should be " higher than $3,000 per contributor."
| 869 |
A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:59:38pm |
re: #847 Walter L. Newton
And that Brittney video, she is really saying "Oops, I did hoosier again!"
LOL
She pulls in 720/k a month Walter...She is an artist..
//
She must be good right Walter? That's 3/4 of a million dollars a month Walter..
All you can do is laugh..Cause really..that shit is really funny..Overtime lakers games..brb
| 870 |
Stonemason Thu, Feb 5, 2009 7:59:56pm |
re: #828 doppelganglander
It shouldn't be. I told my oldest when she went to college, if she got below a 3.0 I was pulling the plug because anything below that clearly indicates you are not college material.
Some legislators a few years ago tried to introduce a minimum SAT requirement for HOPE but it got shot down because it was considered, you guessed it, racist.
Of course by 'tough' I meant tough for those that supposedly need it most, which leads to your point on being called racist. Funny though, there are a large number of northern liberal types who consider anyone living south of the mason-dixon to be dumb, so how can racism come in to the picture...cognative dissonence, that is how.
HOPE is a good thing though, is it not? It is a help for some?
| 871 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:00:24pm |
| 872 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:00:26pm |
re: #860 HelloDare
“I do believe that at this moment that we’re going to be able to achieve it,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) described himself as “cautiously optimistic” that the bill can pass late Friday.
Time to call/e-mail Susan Collins and tell her not to be a sleazy collaborator. (In the nicest way possable.)
| 873 |
avanti Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:00:27pm |
re: #851 Jim in Virginia
From and about?
Don't tease us. Tell.
Prime time news conference to push the stimulus bill, maybe a announcement about more bank help.
| 874 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:02:04pm |
re: #836 reine.de.tout
Thought for a minute you were speaking Hungarian, or something!
Several theories were offered above, but I like yours best. In fact, I have two cats who are pozezd. Or ADHD.
We have a dog wth OCD.
| 875 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:02:05pm |
re: #873 avanti
Prime time news conference to push the stimulus bill, maybe a announcement about more bank help.
Try not to drool on yourself during your special Obama moment.
| 876 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:02:13pm |
re: #856 doppelganglander
I like yours better. To compute the HOPE GPA, Georgia only counts the academic courses, but there's no core courses required. Of course the colleges have their own requirements (4 years of English and so forth). I think the ACT makes the difference. If Georgia had passed something similar, it would save millions of dollars by locking out people who are not ready for college level work. Or maybe a two-tier requirement, where if you get a low SAT score, you can attend community college and eventually transfer. I'm a big fan of community college for people who are unprepared for college work.
Yes, I am too a fan of community college for those unprepared for college work. Many people can get prepared at the CC.
The Louisiana TOPS program is also a tiered program, what I gave you was the lowest tier requirements. People who have higher grades/ACT scores get additional funds for books, etc.
And the "core" requirements are a must, imo.
| 877 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:02:38pm |
re: #865 Mich-again
Obama's orders being complied with.. Charges dropped vs. suspect in 2000 USS Cole blast
He said he would consult first with the families.
Speaking of David Brooks - It's hard to admit that you've been the victim of a GRIFTER. It's humiliating and embarrassing. David, David, David....we're here for you.
| 878 |
jwb7605 Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:03:22pm |
re: #861 solomonpanting
The only problem here is that all 300 million don't pay/contribute. The pool of contributors is much smaller, so the portions are higher than $3,000/citizen.
You guys are such pessimists.
Once inflation kicks in, that will be like ten bucks.
Look on the bright side ...
| 879 |
Stonemason Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:03:31pm |
re: #839 Walter L. Newton
That's interesting, and it led me to realize something. The MSM is going to take all the hits for him. They are going to feel sad for him, they are going to wonder what he is up to for him, they are going to do all the pontificating for him, which is basically painting him with teflon.
The amount of times I heard the phrase "set the ethics bar too high" the other day was astounding. It was on GMA, I heard it on a CBS radio news report, I heard it many times on NPR, and I read it on several news sites. This wasn't the quote from the Administration, this was news-people making excuses for Obama. It was sickening.
| 880 |
Killian Bundy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:03:37pm |
White House to Bypass Commerce on Census
The director of the Census Bureau will report directly to the White House and not the secretary of Commerce, according to a senior White House official.
The decision came after black and Hispanic leaders raised questions about Commerce Secretary nominee Judd Gregg ’s commitment to funding the census.
/well, that ought to make it much easier for the Bonkeys to gerrymander the Congressional districts
| 881 |
gmsc Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:03:44pm |
Blue Dogs push back against stimulus
Conservative Democrats in the House are pushing back against their leaders’ economic stimulus plan even as President Obama steps up his push for the spending package.
The leadership of the Blue Dog Coalition, a group of conservative Democrats concerned about the federal deficit, sent an open letter to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) Thursday complaining about the size of the House bill and supporting a Senate effort to toss out much of the spending.
“We believe that’s a highly worthwhile goal, and that there are additional provisions that would be better left for consideration in regular order,” said the letter, signed by Blue Dog leader Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.) and the rest of the Blue Dog leadership.
Eleven Democrats voted against the stimulus package in the House, most of them Blue Dogs from conservative districts bothered by the spending. The letter said that many others voted for it because they expected it to be trimmed back in the Senate or in the conference committee that will hammer out the final package.
The letter came as Obama, along with Pelosi, stressed the urgency of passing the package. In an appearance at Energy Department headquarters, Obama said, "The time for talk is over, the time for action is now."
Congressional leaders had hoped to send the package to Obama before the Presidents Day holiday weekend, a deadline that appears increasingly unlikely in the face of growing opposition.
| 882 |
DistantThunder Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:03:48pm |
re: #867 gmsc
We're back to the bad ole "Dereliction of Duty" Days.
| 883 |
reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:04:21pm |
re: #874 Jim in Virginia
We have a dog wth OCD.
What does he do?
Or do I not want to know?
Our dog seems to have epilepsy - he has the occasional seizure. Nothing that is dangerous to him or to us, he just sort of "blacks out" while he's still awake, yelps a little, then pushes himself backwards in a circle. Strange.
| 884 |
Macker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:05:01pm |
re: #878 jwb7605
You know what they say about excuses and a**holes, right?
| 885 |
Boxy_brown Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:05:29pm |
re: #878 jwb7605
Once inflation kicks in, that will be like ten bucks.Look on the bright side ...
Yeah, the bright side. Look at all it did for the Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe.
:-)
| 886 |
Stonemason Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:06:22pm |
re: #850 jcm
Damn, you guys are no fun ;-)
TBO in '10.
Throw the Bastards Out!
But everyone ends up saying "our bastards isn't so bad, he brings home the bacon." So they all stay, we get the same old shit.We whine and gripe about DC. When We The People have given it to them for the last 70 years.
*sigh*
Maybe if it all does coming crashing down, we can pick up the pieces.
Hell, Murtha called his voters stupid racist rednecks and they voted for him. You should see all the stuff out there with his name on it...
| 887 |
doppelganglander Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:06:57pm |
re: #870 Stonemason
Of course by 'tough' I meant tough for those that supposedly need it most, which leads to your point on being called racist. Funny though, there are a large number of northern liberal types who consider anyone living south of the mason-dixon to be dumb, so how can racism come in to the picture...cognative dissonence, that is how.
HOPE is a good thing though, is it not? It is a help for some?
Oh, sure, it helps a lot of people and I think it's generally a good thing. The SAT requirement was labeled racist by a group of black legislators because that's the fastest way to kill a bill, but it would hurt a lot of white students, too. In metro Atlanta, the schools are mostly above the national average in SAT scores. Out in rural areas, some of them are just abysmal. Every year the paper runs stories about UGA freshmen who were at the top of their class but who struggle with introductory courses. To me, the problem isn't access to higher education, but lack of preparation. Better qualified teachers and a more rigorous curriculum would be a good start.
And don't get me started on the number of people who don't even need college but ought to be in a good vocational/technical program instead. I'm really leaving this time!
| 888 |
Doubleview Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:07:32pm |
re: #864 ted
While I'm not sure I'd call him a sociopath, I think it very significant that his first response to criticism of the bill is that the nation already carries a large debt. I agree with you that he believes the Nation's debt shouldn't hamper what He wants to do. He didn't make the Debt, so why should it limit him? Very unsettling to my mind.
| 889 |
irishlass Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:07:48pm |
re: #727 Charles
NOOOOOOO!
And btw, hello to all. New here. Silly clan of kidlets keeps me from reading too much during the day!
| 890 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:07:57pm |
re: #873 avanti
Prime time news conference to push the stimulus bill, maybe a announcement about more bank help.
If the bill passes tomorrow, next I'd expect O to announce his tax plan.
Higher corporate taxes. Carbon tax. End the cap on Social Security payroll tax. Increase percentage for upper income brackets. And a "credit" for low incomes.
| 891 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:08:38pm |
re: #836 reine.de.tout
Thought for a minute you were speaking Hungarian, or something!
Several theories were offered above, but I like yours best. In fact, I have two cats who are pozezd. Or ADHD.
I would like to learn some Hungarian curses. Or at least curse words.
| 892 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:09:31pm |
re: #891 OldLineTexan
I would like to learn some Hungarian curses. Or at least curse words.
Basically so I could malign George Soros and be sure he would understand.
| 893 |
jcm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:10:04pm |
re: #886 Stonemason
Hell, Murtha called his voters stupid racist rednecks and they voted for him. You should see all the stuff out there with his name on it...
McDimwitt in Seattle gets 80%. We consistently send THE DUMBEST person in the Senate back again and again, Patty Murray.
*sigh*
| 894 |
Hobbes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:10:10pm |
re: #811 Dark_Falcon
There are good Republicans in my state, sir. Congressmen Peter Roskum and Mark Kirk are two such men. I am of the firm belief that the GOP can take back the Governor's Mansion in 2010 if we run a good candidate here.
Sure we have some good Republicans, Peter and Mark. Then what?
| 895 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:10:54pm |
re: #873 avanti
Prime time news conference to push the stimulus bill, maybe a announcement about more bank help.
I'll bet you twenty quatloos he won't have a press conference. He may make a prime time speech but he won't risk embarassing questions from Jake Tapper.
| 896 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:10:59pm |
re: #879 Stonemason
The amount of times I heard the phrase "set the ethics bar too high" the other day was astounding. It was on GMA, I heard it on a CBS radio news report, I heard it many times on NPR, and I read it on several news sites. This wasn't the quote from the Administration, this was news-people making excuses for Obama. It was sickening.
Bingo, you got my meaning. Yes, they were making excuses for Obama, but by proxy, they were making excuses for themselves.
It a trick, a way to control. You get a group of people (MSM) so wrapped up in your success, that this group has an ego buy in, and their ego can't be deflated. It help if you start with a group who are in an ego based occupation to start with (the MSM).
So, now, they have to find and excuse for everything that Obama does, even if it is necessary for them (the MSM) to start blaming themselves for the problem.
Then they reexamine their beliefs, and instead of going back to the source an questioning the validity of the source, then adjust their understanding of the "truth," and the next thing you know, Obama is still their Messiah, and they have a "new" understanding that they can hit the streets with and repaint their master.
Gee, does that sound like religion?
| 897 |
notutopia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:14:40pm |
re: #810 jaunte
I'll be happy if $12,000 is all it costs my family.
Jaunte, why? We shouldn't have to pay one more red
alloy penny, other than what the government has already allocated in past budgets and spending. I am not happy about having to pay for an additional blitz porkfest of irresponsible spending that is NOT going to resolve our current financial crisis!
| 898 |
OldLineTexan Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:14:44pm |
re: #896 Walter L. Newton
Gee, does that sound like religion?
If you think personality cults are religions, I guess it does.
| 899 |
Miss Molly Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:16:12pm |
There are an awful lot of very angry Republican Senators around so I still hope that the stimulus package will not be passed tomorrow or any other day.
| 900 |
Jim in Virginia Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:17:03pm |
re: #883 reine.de.tout
What does he do?
Or do I not want to know?
.
To begin with, he's a sweetie but he is a Dog of Very Little Brain.
His food bowl has to be in the exact correct spot. Off the plastic mat, four inches from his water bowl, eight inches from the wall. Or he'll whine. Then he'll bark for attention.
I yell at him: "Just eat it." Eventually he does.
| 901 |
iLikeCandy Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:18:19pm |
re: #899 Miss Molly
There are an awful lot of very angry Republican Senators around so I still hope that the stimulus package will not be passed tomorrow or any other day.
Miss Molly, as I noted above, the House and Senate bills are very different, so they'll have to go to a conference committee to be reconciled and rewritten. This isn't anywhere near over. Keep calling your congressperson.
| 902 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:21:33pm |
re: #897 notutopia
Jaunte, why? We shouldn't have to pay one more red
alloy penny, other than what the government has already allocated in past budgets and spending. I am not happy about having to pay for an additional blitz porkfest of irresponsible spending that is NOT going to resolve our current financial crisis!
Ok, happy was the wrong word. Relieved at getting off cheaply, maybe.
"There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."
--- Kurt Vonnegut
| 903 |
jorline Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:22:31pm |
re: #778 HoosierHoops
Hey..Is that the story i woke up to at 6am on ESPN.. The kid that was a senior in high school on the basketball team. He has downs syndrom and just did everything..water boy...drill guy, towel boy..And on the final game of the year..on Senior night..they let him play and he scored 6 points...It was a heart warming story..But at 6am..no coffee..lawdy...TIVO it..
Hooster, it is the same kid...ESPN's story is a lot better. I found it on youtube.
| 904 |
Ojoe Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:22:34pm |
re: #835 BryanS
I think what has happened is that the extremists have flavored each party so much that many people just stay home or do not register at all.
See Charles' comment No. 51, this thread, for example.
That's where politics is now.
The centrist is not welcome anywhere, does not feel comfortable anywhere.
Good night all.
| 905 |
Hobbes Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:24:09pm |
re: #811 Dark_Falcon
There are good Republicans in my state, sir. Congressmen Peter Roskum and Mark Kirk are two such men. I am of the firm belief that the GOP can take back the Governor's Mansion in 2010 if we run a good candidate here.
Let me help you recall the actions of Judy Barr Topinka which led to the candidacy of Alan Keyes and the election of Barack Obama to the US Senate. Let me also help you recall the drubbing of Oberweis, an honest conservative, by his fellow so-called Republicans. Point to Mark Kirk and Peter Roskum if you will, but you and I both know that they are the exceptions. And if you'd like to bet on a GOP governor in 2010, then I'll take your bet if you set aside the qualifier of running a good candidate - and I'll give you odds. Our problem has been and I think will continue to be those at the top of the party.
| 906 |
Miss Molly Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:25:00pm |
iLikeCandy-- I notify my congressman often about this mess and I do not mince words when I express myself to him. Unfortunately I am located in California which is a one party State and as corrupt as Ill. But this congressman gets a little nervous because there are a large number of Republicans in his district.
I know there will have to be a conference committee to reconcile all differences from the House and the Senate -- that could be quite a yelling session.
| 909 |
mattm Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:38:51pm |
This is the campaign that doesn't end
It just goes on and on my friends...
| 910 |
DisturbedEma Thu, Feb 5, 2009 8:43:55pm |
re: #909 mattm
This is the campaign that doesn't end
It just goes on and on my friends...
some people started spewing it not knowing what it was, and they'll continue spewing it forever just because. . .
| 911 |
NomadOfNorad Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:01:52pm |
re: #902 jaunte
Ok, happy was the wrong word. Relieved at getting off cheaply, maybe.
"There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president."
--- Kurt Vonnegut
Wasn't there a line by Douglas Adams about how a person WANTING to run for office should automatically disqualify him from office? :D :D :D :D
If only answers where that simple... :-%P%
| 912 |
Teacake! Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:07:26pm |
This "president" probably owes more favors to more people than any other in all of the US history. I fear there will be nothing but chaos and insanity during his term.
| 913 |
twincitiesgirl Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:08:49pm |
I found this video on You Tube and started crying, thinking about our country and what the future may hold.
All Hands on Deck:
/time to wash my face and get a little wine
| 914 |
Macker Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:13:18pm |
re: #905 Hobbes
I wonder if Mike Ditka is kicking his own ass? He could have saved the country from БХО.
| 915 |
jaunte Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:15:18pm |
All hands on deck, we've run afloat! I heard the captain cry
Explore the ship, replace the cook: let no one leave alive!
Across the straits, around the horn: how far can sailors fly?
A twisted path, our tortured course, and no one left alive
We sailed for parts unknown to man, where ships come home to die
No lofty peak, nor fortress bold, could match our captains eye
Upon the seventh seasick day we made our port of call
A sand so white, and sea so blue, no mortal place at all
We fired the gun, and burnt the mast, and rowed from ship to shore
The captain cried, we sailors wept: our tears were tears of joy
Now many moons and many junes have passed since we made land
A salty dog, this seamans log: your witness my own hand
| 916 |
BingoBunny Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:17:47pm |
Are we a third world country yet?
/wake me when I have to give you my guns.
| 917 |
capitalist piglet Thu, Feb 5, 2009 9:24:12pm |
re: #914 Macker
I wonder if Mike Ditka is kicking his own ass? He could have saved the country from БХО.
No kidding. Arrrgh.
| 918 |
Roses Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:23:41pm |
The reaction against the spendulous bill shocked Obama a bit. He lost his footing temporarily.
But the Think Tanks went to work, and got him his talking points. Now he's back in stride. He used 'em tonight - you heard the beginning of the drum beats that will be repeated ad nauseum through every democratic senator's mouth, and spokesmouth over the next few days.
They are pushing to win - it is democrats v republicans, and the country be damned.
Obama wants to WIN. Does he forget that means we all lose? Or doesn't care.
| 919 |
Roses Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:25:31pm |
The good news is, Obama is no longer denying this is a SPENDING bill.
No more pretense.
| 920 |
Dark_Falcon Thu, Feb 5, 2009 10:39:43pm |
re: #905 Hobbes
Let me help you recall the actions of Judy Barr Topinka which led to the candidacy of Alan Keyes and the election of Barack Obama to the US Senate. Let me also help you recall the drubbing of Oberweis, an honest conservative, by his fellow so-called Republicans. Point to Mark Kirk and Peter Roskum if you will, but you and I both know that they are the exceptions. And if you'd like to bet on a GOP governor in 2010, then I'll take your bet if you set aside the qualifier of running a good candidate - and I'll give you odds. Our problem has been and I think will continue to be those at the top of the party.
How would suggest we improve the party leadership? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking.
| 921 |
Wendya Thu, Feb 5, 2009 11:10:07pm |
re: #34 Capitalistincharge
Americans elected a
Whining child.
Nothing is his fault and anyone who doesn't agree with him is "stupid".
It's going to be a loooooong four years.
| 922 |
GinnyPub Fri, Feb 6, 2009 2:03:40am |
Reminds me of a little foot-stomping kid acting like a brat in a store because the clerk just told him they are out of gummy-bears.
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Hawk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 4:56:50am |
So ... We have a war going on and Bush is accused of selling fear over rabid insane people who really do want to kill us.
Obama is in office and he is selling what? FEAR that our whole system will fold if we don't spend BILLIONS MORE just like the left says we do in a war that they say we shouldn't be fighting.
And now the capitalist people who were previously saying "survival of the fittest" are lining up at the government teat with their hands out for their share.
Meanwhile, they take the money AND still lay people off and tighten up on lending while spending a million on re-decorating some corporate officer's office.
Survival of the fittest! Let them fold and quit spending OUR TAX MONEY on these fat cats and black list every corporate officer that ran a company into the ground.
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Ron Shaw Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:54:32am |
Bendus overus and grabus heelsus as scandalus stimulus maximus sigmoidsus usus assus!
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Thunderbottom Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:55:24am |
The way this guy was ranting last night, he was sounding a little like "Comrade Bob" Mugabe. Anyone want to bet that, in a few years, we'll be seeing hyperinflation near the same level as in Zimbabwe? Thanks, Count Porkula!
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Roses Fri, Feb 6, 2009 2:03:22pm |
Does anybody have a list of email addresses for all the Senators? Or know of a link to one?
This is the best I have so far
[Link: senate.gov...]
It is painful going through each one of their webmail submission forms. It would be nice to send ONE email that goes to ALL of them...
Or any online petitions that will be putting pressure on? Links?
Here's one from McCain - [Link: www.countryfirstpac.com...]
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