Yes, the Republicans and Democrats have magically reached a deal right at the end of the day, on a Friday, right before the weekend.
Exactly as I predicted last night. Call me Little Green Nostradamus.
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notutopia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 4:58:20pm |
Okay, Charles, You are the "Little Green Nostradamus".
UGH! on us though.
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logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 4:59:31pm |
As long as we're on the subject of the porkulus bill....
In The Know: Should The Government Stop Dumping Money Into A Giant Hole?
Via the Onion, the last legitimate news source.
| 10 |
phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:01:33pm |
what idiots with R after their name voted for it?
| 12 |
JammieWearingFool Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:01:51pm |
When the Democrats get smoked in the midterms in 2010, they can blame Rush Limbaugh.
| 13 |
Lincolntf Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:01:58pm |
re: #8 Sharmuta
Which means they finally have to stop stealing from us. We win!
| 17 |
brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:02:11pm |
Mortgage, is a rather polite term me thinks.
| 18 |
Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:02:11pm |
My son will be needing a passport and a ticket on a steamer to Australia for his fifth birthday at this rate.
| 19 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:02:20pm |
It was a foregone conclusion that we were going to get some type of bill, it was always just an argument over how much and what is "stimulus".
/$780B is better than $900+B, remember, we still need to bail out the banks again Monday and that's actually more important, if we want to see an economic recovery
| 20 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:03:34pm |
Heads up: Ashley Judd is going on Larry King Live tonight, bitching about how Sarah Palin is single-handedly slaughtering all of the wolves here in Alaska.
ASHLEY JUDD - CLOWN IN WOLF GUARDIAN'S CLOTHING
Michelle Malkin:
Actress Ashley Judd has finally earned her Hollywood stripes and provided award-winning comic relief. With Washington poised to shove a trillion-dollar “stimulus” pork pie down our throats, we need all the distractions we can get. I give Judd’s unintentionally entertaining performance in a new Sarah Palin-bashing animal rights ad two diversionary thumbs up.
The Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund sponsored the YouTube video starring Judd. They’ve dubbed their campaign, launched this week, “Eye on Palin.” With all the serious, socially responsible celebrity earnestness she could muster, Judd decried aerial hunting of wolves in the GOP Alaska governor’s state. “It is time to stop Sarah Palin, and stop this senseless savagery,” Judd intoned.
Casting herself as an environmental expert, Judd attacked Palin for “casting aside science and championing the slaughter of wildlife.” The video shows a wolf being shot, writhing in pain, with an ominous soundtrack throbbing and menacing photos of Palin flashed across the screen. “Riddled with gunshots, biting at their backs in agony, they die (pause for quiver) a brutal death,” Judd enunciates slowly as wolf squeals punctuate the video. Defenders of Wildlife assails Gov. Palin for proposing a $150 bounty for every dead wolf killed by aerial hunters. She’s cruel and bloodthirsty and she must be stopped!
It’s a compelling, black-and-white story line. But like the world Ashley Judd inhabits, this plot is make-believe.
Fact is, the policy is intended to protect other animals – moose and caribou – from overpopulation of wolves. Alaskans rely on caribou and moose for food. Not all Americans care to live on environmentally-correct starlet diets of tofu salad and Pinkberry yogurt.
.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:03:52pm |
I'd call them a bunch of whores, but whores actually do something useful.
| 22 |
itellu3times Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:04:06pm |
I'm lost, how does a bill become law, is this the senate bill that still has to be reconciled with the house bill, or what?
| 23 |
Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:04:10pm |
It's like all my paranoid fantasies about commies and collapse and idiots and traitors and terrorists are all coming true in two months.
Guinness, don't fail me now!
| 24 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:04:16pm |
re: #15 logboy
Does this mean the sky isn't falling?
Only for a few months... then it will be the end times again unless they pass Porzilla II.
| 25 |
BingoBunny Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:04:28pm |
Hip Hip Hooray.. now only 300 million Americans will lose their jobs each month.
| 26 |
abolitionist Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:04:32pm |
This is from earlier today:
Say It Ain't So: Science, Energy on Stimulus Chopping Block
Below is a list of some of the cuts they have asked for.National Science Foundation : $1.4 billion (100% cut)
Department of Energy, Efficiency and Renewable Energy: $1 billion (38% cut)
NASA exploration: $750 million (50% cut)
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration: $427 million (35% cut)
Department of Defense, Alternative Vehicle Tech, Procurement: $100 million (100% cut)
Department of Energy Office of Science: $100 million (100%)And taking an even bigger hit is education with a proposed cut of $15 billion, the bulk of the funding in the House bill.
| 29 |
gregg Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:06pm |
re: #19 Killian Bundy
/$780B is better than $900+B, remember, we still need to bail out the banks again Monday and that's actually more important, if we want to see an economic recovery
From the GOP via The Corner:
The $780 billion figure doesn't include the $46.5 billion in amendments added to the stimulus bill this week. According to our numbers, the deal is at least $827 billion, $7 billion MORE than the House passed bill. With debt, that comes to $1.175 trillion total cost for the new deal.
Only in Washington can an increase over the original bill cost be sold as a cut.
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
| 30 |
logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:15pm |
I feel much better now that 500 million Americans won't be losing their jobs.
| 31 |
JammieWearingFool Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:20pm |
Now they'll move on to destroying the medical industry with socialized medicine.
Oh, and if you try and make more money to pay all your taxes, Braney Frank will cap your salary.
| 32 |
Shug Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:26pm |
America's future mortgaged.
A nice interest rate too.
1 trillions at 2% for 5 years then something called a Chinese Balloon payment whatever that is
| 33 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:43pm |
re: #17 brookly red
Mortgage, is a rather polite term me thinks.
I think Charles is too polite to put "Whoring" in a thread title.
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kingkenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:05:52pm |
Collins and Specter moving this bill to conference is a no-brainer for them. They are basically in charge of the contents of the final bill - and they don't have to vote for the final package if negotiations go sour, so if the heat from the angry masses gets too high they can walk away. So voters in Maine and Pennsylvania need to let them feel the heat.
| 35 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:06:14pm |
re: #22 itellu3times
I'm lost, how does a bill become law, is this the senate bill that still has to be reconciled with the house bill, or what?
/the House'll probably just vote the Senate version to get it on Obama's desk
| 36 |
Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:06:19pm |
re: #20 Tamron
Heads up: Ashley Judd is going on Larry King Live tonight, bitching about how Sarah Palin is single-handedly slaughtering all of the wolves here in Alaska.
ASHLEY JUDD - CLOWN IN WOLF GUARDIAN'S CLOTHING
Michelle Malkin:
.
Deceiver Skewers her as well:
Ashley Judd Doesn’t Care About Hooved Creatures
Now, okay. I’m a dog person. I see something like the Michael Vick situation and it makes my blood boil. So when Ashley Judd pouts about the poor puppies getting shot at by the mean mans in the airy-planes, there’s a second or two where I’m like, “Awww! You cut that out, Sarah Palin!”
But then the ol’ logic centers kick in. (Assuming you have any.) “Wait a sec… why are they killing these wolves? Just to be cruel? Are they placing bets on it?” Well, no. They’re trying to protect moose and caribou, which have been almost wiped out because of wolf overpopulation. Why is there a wolf overpopulation in Alaska? Because for a long time it was illegal to hunt them. And why are they shooting the wolves from planes? Well, because there aren’t a lot of roads up there.
| 37 |
Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:06:26pm |
re: #20 Tamron
There are no remedies for this kind of stupidity short of a good bitch-slap from an amused, giggling God.
| 38 |
nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:06:40pm |
everyone who thought it couldn't happen here needs to do some more thinking..
| 39 |
saberry0530 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:06:46pm |
re: #19 Killian Bundy
It was a foregone conclusion that we were going to get some type of bill, it was always just an argument over how much and what is "stimulus".
/$780B is better than $900+B, remember, we still need to bail out the banks again Monday and that's actually more important, if we want to see an economic recovery
ANd I repeat courtesy of Newt. "80% of a bad bill is still bad"
| 40 |
phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:09pm |
re: #38 nyc redneck
everyone who thought it couldn't happen here needs to do some more thinking..
anyone who voted for obama should be water boarded
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:19pm |
re: #10 phoenixgirl
what idiots with R after their name voted for it?
The record of the bill isn't up yet just the votes on the amendments.
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session (2009)
| 42 |
jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:26pm |
Hey Charles -- any advice for albusteve?
Also, remind him the Cardinals lost.
| 43 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:29pm |
re: #31 JammieWearingFool
Now they'll move on to destroying the medical industry with socialized medicine.
Oh, and if you try and make more money to pay all your taxes, Braney Frank will cap your salary.
Socialized medicine won't work for long. There is no highly advanced wealthy nation doing all the research and development for drugs that we will have to put artificial price caps on.
| 44 |
Kosh's Shadow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:52pm |
re: #26 abolitionist
This is from earlier today:
Say It Ain't So: Science, Energy on Stimulus Chopping Block
National Science Foundation : $1.4 billion (100% cut)
So the're eliminating the NSF? Or does someone at wired.com not understand math?
| 45 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:07:57pm |
I don't know is Ms. Manners is around or not, so, I'll take the honors:
I hope those who didn't support McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are happy.
| 46 |
Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:08:45pm |
re: #41 jcm
The usual ones. The ones that like to be invited to junkets and cocktail parties.
| 47 |
JammieWearingFool Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:08:46pm |
Now don't forget, and our media overlords will be sure to remind us:
59 Democrats + 2 RINO's = Bipartisan!
| 48 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:08:46pm |
One more Off-Topic Palin blurb. Refreshingly true, fair and balanced:
THE MEANING OF SARAH PALIN
By Yuval Levin - Feb 2009
Palin was assigned every view and position the Left considered unenlightened, and the response to her brought into the light all manner of implicit liberal assumptions about cultural conservatives. We were told that Palin was opposed to contraception, advocated teaching creationism in schools, and was inclined to ban books she disagreed with. She was described as a religious zealot, an anti-abortion extremist, a blind champion of abstinence-only sex education. She was said to have sought to make rape victims pay for their own medical exams, to have Alaska secede from the Union, and to get Pat Buchanan elected President. She was reported to believe that the Iraq war was mandated by God, that the end-times prophesied in the Book of Revelation were nearing and only Alaska would survive, and that global warming was purely a myth. None of this was true.
...
Sarah Palin embodied a very different notion of politics, in which sound instincts and valuable life experiences are considered sources of knowledge at least the equal of book learning. She is the product of an America in which explicit displays of pride in intellect are considered unseemly, and where physical prowess and moral constancy are given a higher place than intellectual achievement. She was in the habit of stressing these faculties instead—a habit that struck many in Washington as brutishness.
This is why Palin was seen as anti-intellectual when, properly speaking, she was simply non-intellectual. What she lacked was not intelligence—she is, clearly, highly intelligent—but rather the particular set of assumptions, references, and attitudes inculcated by America’s top twenty universities and transmitted by the nation’s elite cultural organs.
...
The reaction of the intellectual elite to Sarah Palin was far more provincial than Palin herself ever has been, and those who reacted so viscerally against her evinced little or no appreciation for an essential premise of democracy: that practical wisdom matters at least as much as formal education, and that leadership can emerge from utterly unexpected places. The presumption that the only road to power passes through the Ivy League and its tributaries is neither democratic nor sensible, and is, moreover, a sharp and wrongheaded break from the American tradition of citizen governance.
...
The striking thing about the last two months of the 2008 presidential race was not Palin’s inability to turn things around decisively for McCain, but her success in giving McCain a lead for even a short while. She seized the imagination of the public in a way that scared the Left, and rightly so. It is not Palin’s fault that McCain was incapable of harnessing the phenomenal response to his running mate to his own advantage.
...the Palin moment shed a powerful light on the power, the potential, and the ultimate inadequacy of a conservatism grounded solely in cultural populism. It also exposed the vulnerability of the Left to a challenge to its most cherished claims—as the sole representative of the interests of the working class and the only legitimate path to political power for an ambitious woman.
.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:02pm |
re: #45 Guanxi88
I don't know is Ms. Manners is around or not, so, I'll take the honors:
I hope those who didn't support McCain because he wasn't conservative enough are happy.
You left out a key word..........
| 50 |
Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:15pm |
re: #31 JammieWearingFool
Now they'll move on to destroying the medical industry with socialized medicine.
Oh, and if you try and make more money to pay all your taxes, Braney Frank will cap your salary.
What do you mean "pay all your taxes"? Why would I pay? I'm shooting for a cabinet position.
| 51 |
phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:15pm |
re: #41 jcm
The record of the bill isn't up yet just the votes on the amendments.
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session (2009)
thank you..... not a done deal but on the way to being one...
| 52 |
screaming_eagle Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:39pm |
Grab your torch and pitchfork. . .. .. . .. . ..
| 53 |
wrenchwench Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:53pm |
re: #20 Tamron
Sheesh. You reposted, now I gotta repost.
Here's my favorite story about an Alaskan wolf. It's a .pdf file.
| 54 |
Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:57pm |
re: #39 saberry0530
ANd I repeat courtesy of Newt. "80% of a bad bill is still bad"
They've got the votes now. Obama, arrogant as he is, is right, they won.
/what're you gonna do?
| 55 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:57pm |
| 56 |
brookly red Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:09:59pm |
re: #33 Guanxi88
I think Charles is too polite to put "Whoring" in a thread title.
That would still be polite under the circumstance.
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:10:07pm |
re: #48 Tamron
One more Off-Topic Palin blurb. Refreshingly true, fair and balanced:
THE MEANING OF SARAH PALIN
By Yuval Levin - Feb 2009
.
And favorited! Thanks for the post!
| 58 |
jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:10:09pm |
re: #52 screaming_eagle
Grab your torch and pitchfork. . .. .. . .. . ..
I got the tar and feathers!
| 59 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:10:52pm |
I knew I bought that bottle of Makers Mark for a reason.
Liver you are taking one for the team!
| 60 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:10:57pm |
| 62 |
nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:11:22pm |
| 63 |
saberry0530 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:11:30pm |
re: #54 Killian Bundy
They've got the votes now. Obama, arrogant as he is, is right, they won.
/what're you gonna do?
Look in the garage for some axle grease. That way it won't hurt so much.
| 64 |
CyanSnowHawk Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:11:47pm |
| 65 |
FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:11:50pm |
re: #47 JammieWearingFool
Now don't forget, and our media overlords will be sure to remind us:
59 Democrats + 2 RINO's = Bipartisan!
Exactly.
| 66 |
quickjustice Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:12:29pm |
There are enough "squishy" GOP senators that this outcome was inevitable. The GOP desperately needs new blood in the U.S. Senate.
| 67 |
The Shadow Do Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:12:57pm |
re: #10 phoenixgirl
what idiots with R after their name voted for it?
Collins, Specter, other players to be named later
| 68 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:12:58pm |
re: #48 Tamron
We were told that Palin was opposed to contraception, advocated teaching creationism in schools, and was inclined to ban books she disagreed with. She was described as a religious zealot, an anti-abortion extremist, a blind champion of abstinence-only sex education. She was said to have sought to make rape victims pay for their own medical exams, to have Alaska secede from the Union, and to get Pat Buchanan elected President. She was reported to believe that the Iraq war was mandated by God, that the end-times prophesied in the Book of Revelation were nearing and only Alaska would survive, and that global warming was purely a myth. None of this was true.
Uh. Wait a minute.
Sarah Palin IS opposed to contraception, she did say she thought creationism should be taught in schools (and later took it back), she attended a hardcore Pentecostal church, she IS an abortion extremist (she advocates a constitutional amendment to ban abortions with NO exceptions), she did say that global warming was a myth, etc. etc.
There were distortions of her viewpoints, true. But this summary of her positions is dishonest.
| 69 |
cblesz Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:01pm |
Whoever the "Republicans" are that vote for this pile of dogshit...ought to never get elected ever again...at least under the Republican party.
| 70 |
Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:03pm |
So any chance the turncoats can get booted from the GOP?
Vermin
| 71 |
Shug Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:06pm |
Screw Susan Collins. Vote her out. Replace her with a Democrat. What's the difference?
Her voice is annoying anyway
| 72 |
screaming_eagle Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:13pm |
re: #59 DEZes
I knew I bought that bottle of Makers Mark for a reason.
Liver you are taking one for the team!
Gonna be a loonngg 4 yearsss
| 73 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:15pm |
I really am not sure if IU want a frontal lobotomy,
Or a bottle in front of me.
Its gonna be a long four years!
| 74 |
nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:17pm |
re: #59 DEZes
I knew I bought that bottle of Makers Mark for a reason.
Liver you are taking one for the team!
i wanted to up ding you for that but i don't want to encourage irresponsible drinking.
what the heck, i'll up ding you.
| 75 |
rightymouse Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:47pm |
I'm going couchular now. Nice fire going in the fireplace and teenlet is watching "Braveheart".
Am going to say a prayer for some Dem hold-outs.
| 76 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:13:56pm |
| 77 |
grahamski Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:14:17pm |
| 78 |
Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:14:20pm |
And by the way, I voted for McCain and Palin. But I don't like it when people try to blow smoke up my tuchis.
| 79 |
phoenixgirl Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:14:37pm |
| 80 |
ArchangelMichael Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:14:47pm |
re: #26 abolitionist
Mark Belling went through some of these on Rush this morning and explained what they really were for. I remember the NOAA part specifically mentioned and it was funding for something stupid (iirc) at the NOAA. Regardless, none of this has to do with stimulus, its PORK. Even if some of it (like NASA) is pork we agree with, its still pork. Funding for this stuff needs to be in separate appropriations bills or the annual budget, not an emergency economic stimulus package.
| 81 |
Elektra Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:14:55pm |
re: #12 JammieWearingFool When the Democrats get smoked in the midterms in 2010, they can blame Rush Limbaugh.
Hi, folks! My first post~
Yes, they sure will try, especially since the package looks a lot like the Obama/Limbaugh Plan if you define it in one sentence: 42% tax cuts, 58% spending.
*Points and laughs at Barack
| 82 |
albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:15:36pm |
| 83 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:15:52pm |
re: #74 nyc redneck
i wanted to up ding you for that but i don't want to encourage irresponsible drinking.
what the heck, i'll up ding you.
I'm not sure its irresponsible, it may keep me from losing what little hope is left. ;)
And an Up-ding back at you.
| 84 |
SurferDoc Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:16:00pm |
re: #81 Elektra
When the Democrats get smoked in the midterms in 2010, they can blame Rush Limbaugh.
Hi, folks! My first post~
Yes, they sure will try, especially since the package looks a lot like the Obama/Limbaugh Plan if you define it in one sentence: 42% tax cuts, 58% spending.
*Points and laughs at Barack
Hi and welcome, Electra!
| 85 |
logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:16:17pm |
re: #36 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I was on that subject last night on here. Some jackass (from San Fran no less) started talking about what a fan they were of wolves, that they look so cuddly. I asked him, "have you ever seen a pack of wolves bring down a deer and start to eat it while its still alive?" Wild animals are exactly that:wild. Thats why they're in nature. Wolves have no predators other than man. If not kept in check their numbers get out of control, like they are in Northern WI right now.
Every time I hear some tree hugging bunny thumper I can't help but think of the guy that was mauled by the Panda Bear at the zoo when he got too close. "But he looked so cute and cuddly."
Yup, the panda was cute and cuddly. Then it attacked the guy and tried to eat him.
| 86 |
FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:16:18pm |
All Rino's should lose their seats. If the Democrats are going to control everything - lets let them control it.
| 87 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:16:19pm |
You did indeed predict this last night.
Little Green Nostradamus, indeed.
| 88 |
quickjustice Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:16:40pm |
I held my nose as I voted for McCain. Haven't let go yet, which makes it difficult to drive and perform intimate acts! ;-)
| 89 |
IslandLibertarian Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:17:07pm |
All this fussing and fighting, man, you know I sure can't stay.
Now baby, pack your leaving trunk, you know we've got to leave today.
Just exactly where we're going I cannot say,
but We might even leave the USA
'Cause there's a brand new game that I want to play............
| 90 |
jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:17:31pm |
re: #81 Elektra
When the Democrats get smoked in the midterms in 2010, they can blame Rush Limbaugh.
Hi, folks! My first post~
Yes, they sure will try, especially since the package looks a lot like the Obama/Limbaugh Plan if you define it in one sentence: 42% tax cuts, 58% spending.
*Points and laughs at Barack
Welcome!
You picked a bad night to start off. Gonna' be a lot of heavy drinking, and by tradition hatchlings stand duty at the bar.
;-)
| 92 |
abolitionist Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:03pm |
re: #44 Kosh's Shadow
re: #26 abolitionist
So the're eliminating the NSF? Or does someone at wired.com not understand math?
Eliminating, is my take on it. Ditto for
Department of Energy Office of Science: $100 million (100%)
Can't have credible critics of campaign promises to bankrupt the coal industries, and cap-and-trade schemes, can we?
| 93 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:05pm |
re: #88 quickjustice
I held my nose as I voted for McCain. Haven't let go yet, which makes it difficult to drive and perform intimate acts! ;-)
Held my nose too.
But I'm glad I voted for McCain and was no part of electing the O.
| 94 |
logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:09pm |
re: #78 Charles
And by the way, I voted for McCain and Palin. But I don't like it when people try to blow smoke up my tuchis.
You prefer something else blown up your tuchis? ;-)
| 96 |
Findalis Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:13pm |
They mortgage America and the interest rate will destroy us all. Talk about a sub-prime mortgage! We are doomed!
| 97 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:24pm |
Attention: all those who accumulated their wealth and assets on the strength of past deficits, vast increases in the national debt and artificially low interest rates.
Kindly step forward if you are now willing to lose your remaining assets in a severe deflationary cycle as an alternative to the massive proposed borrowing and spending program?
...
..
.
Me neither.
| 98 |
ciaospirit Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:18:52pm |
re: #31 JammieWearingFool
Now they'll move on to destroying the medical industry with socialized medicine.
Oh, and if you try and make more money to pay all your taxes, Braney Frank will cap your salary.
Japan has a near socialist health care system. It's failing.
Man dies in Japan after 14 hospitals reject him
TOKYO — A 69-year-old Japanese man injured in a traffic accident died after paramedics spent more than an hour negotiating with 14 hospitals before finding one to admit him, a fire department official said today.The man, whose bicycle collided with a motorcycle in the western city of Itami, waited at the scene in an ambulance because the hospitals said they could not accept him, citing a lack of specialists, equipment, beds and staff, according to Mitsuhisa Ikemoto.
It was the latest in a string of recent cases in Japan in which patients were denied treatment, underscoring the country's health care woes that include a shortage of doctors.
| 100 |
Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:19:28pm |
re: #81 Elektra
When the Democrats get smoked in the midterms in 2010, they can blame Rush Limbaugh.
Hi, folks! My first post~
Yes, they sure will try, especially since the package looks a lot like the Obama/Limbaugh Plan if you define it in one sentence: 42% tax cuts, 58% spending.
*Points and laughs at Barack
Welcome. Wo bleibt Elektra?
| 101 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:19:47pm |
re: #26 abolitionist
This is from earlier today:
Say It Ain't So: Science, Energy on Stimulus Chopping Block
Have any of these been "funded" somewhere else (that happens sometimes).
The GOP gets "blamed" for being anti-science, but the O's budget cuts the funding for science programs?
| 102 |
Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:19:52pm |
On Fox, Glenn Beck, Ben Stein and, as if O'Reilly wasn't bad enough, Laura Ingrahm is filling in for him. All talking about the stimulus bill as if this pack of creationists had a milligram of credibility. With voices like these for the Republicans, the Democrats can look froward to a long long reign to do any frakking thing they want.
| 103 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:20:21pm |
re: #99 Iron Fist
"No one is as stupid as Biden looks."
Biden is. ;}
| 105 |
jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:20:41pm |
re: #99 Iron Fist
No one is as stupid as Biden looks. That simply isn't possible. Their stupidity would collapse in on itself falling forever into a black hole from which no thought can escape, sucking down the intellect of all those who come near...
Patty Murray. (D) WA.
The elevator was never installed.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:20:45pm |
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:21:19pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
Who voted for it?
Ace and Hot Air have good updates.
It looks like 59 dems and 2 Rino's.
[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
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coquimbojoe Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:21:37pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
Who voted for it?
Idiots, socialists and assholes. Who are the repubs that voted for it?-
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Digital Display Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:22:04pm |
I was kind of Hoping that Congress would change it's age old ritual of passing laws on Friday nights after the media has gone home..
If I was an adviser to Barry..I'd tell him to sit on the Tarmac of LAX and get a haircut or something...2 1/2 weeks...LOL jay Leno's writers couldn't dream this up..
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:22:10pm |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
Have any of these been "funded" somewhere else (that happens sometimes).
The GOP gets "blamed" for being anti-science, but the O's budget cuts the funding for science programs?
These are the Days of the Messiah, man! The One has come to resolve all points of dispute or uncertainty; we don't need science anymore.
Walter! Drag out the Blue Book of Truth (the one by Barry, not the Other Blue Book) and see what wisdom awaits. Slop some pearls before us swine from the Great One.
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Rose Parade Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:22:30pm |
2010 elections won't come soon enough. It's going to be a long wait, but I look forward to seeing the turnover in Congress.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:22:36pm |
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:22:41pm |
They have a deal but they won't vote until Sunday.
A lot can happen in 48 hours. 50 50 chance this falls apart. If it does pass, they have to go to conference and everyone, House and Senate, has to vote on it again.
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:23:49pm |
"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."--Lenin
Little did we know we would slip it on ourselves.
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abolitionist Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:24:07pm |
re: #64 CyanSnowHawk
That is just the piece they were getting from the stimulus, not their entire funding.
I've not read the bill, so I'll take your word for it. So my #92 may have been overly pessimistic, as there may still be some critics around.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:24:42pm |
re: #113 Jim in Virginia
They have a deal but they won't vote until Sunday.
A lot can happen in 48 hours. 50 50 chance this falls apart. If it does pass, they have to go to conference and everyone, House and Senate, has to vote on it again.
nobody here seems to notice that....the House appropriates spending not the senate...it aint over by a ways yet
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:03pm |
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saberry0530 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:10pm |
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stuiec Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:14pm |
I wouldn't worry too much, folks. It's going to be a long time before this gets finalized into law, if Nancy Pelosi has anything to say about it.
In a statement sure to rile Republicans, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Friday dismissed calls for bipartisanship as “process” arguments extraneous to passing a stimulus bill — and warned Senate Democrats against slashing proposed increases to education spending.Pelosi — speaking to reporters on the second day of her retreat with House Democrats at a swank Williamsburg, Va., golf resort — was clearly annoyed with Senate attempts to slash up to $100 billion in spending from the $819 billion package the House passed last week.
At the same time, she urged the need for speed in passing the package — and stopped short of saying that she’d insist on her demands during upcoming conference negotiations with the Senate.
“Washington seems consumed in the process argument of bipartisanship, when the rest of the country says they need this bill,” the California Democrat said, seeming to sweep aside the Obama administration initial desire to have broad GOP support for the plan.
“We must have a bill [quickly],” she said, in a clear message to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has spent the past two days wrangling with moderates who want to cut proposed education funding for the states by as much as $50 billion.
“These cuts are very damaging — [the House bill] was put together very carefully. ... The funding goes directly to school districts, they are stimulative because they maintain jobs instead of cutting jobs.”
Brad Dayspring, a spokesman for House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-Va.), said: “Her comment really makes one wonder whether she understands the concerns of not only the majority of struggling Americans seeking tax relief and job creation, but many members from her own party.”
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nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:25pm |
re: #98 ciaospirit
and all these dead beats here think they are going to get free health care.
it might be free but it certainly won't be health care.
old people, poor people, even middle class people they have it better now than they will ever have it when they get DMV and U.S. post office quality health care.
it's the idea of "free" that suspends their common sense.
libs know this.
O know this.
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KingKenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:38pm |
re: #107 FrogMarch
Ace and Hot Air have good updates.
It looks like 59 dems and 2 Rino's.[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
58 Dems, since Franken is not a senator yet. They are unpacking Kennedy from deep freeze and reviving him with Hennessy to be vote no. 58.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:42pm |
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:46pm |
re: #107 FrogMarch
It looks like 59 dems and 2 Rino's.
And people should stop whining about the RINOs, they've always been there.
/it's the 59 Bonkeys that are the huge problem that been in the making since '06
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Last Mohican Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:25:49pm |
OT: I'm concerned that we haven't spent enough time worrying about Cher's well-being. You know, Cher, the surgically altered, talentless singer who was once married to Sonny Bono? Cher says that living under Republican rule almost killed her. Almost, but not quite. Phew, that was close. Poor Cher.
Also, in case you were under the impression that Cher was not a blithering idiot with the mental capacity of a roll of desiccating duct tape, here's her opinion of Obama, from the same article:
[Obama's] intelligence is so great and his spirit is so great, I believe he will be able to do as much if not more than anyone could possibly do.
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:26:09pm |
After listening to Snow and Specter, it's a crap sandwich of epic proportions. They were appalling in their glee.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:26:29pm |
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:26:29pm |
So, there's still time to call and email and fill the airways.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:26:41pm |
re: #124 Shug
I hope Lynn Swann runs against Specter next time.
what'd you think about my guy Bob Hayes making the Hall?
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:26:47pm |
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stuiec Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:00pm |
re: #99 Iron Fist
No one is as stupid as Biden looks. That simply isn't possible. Their stupidity would collapse in on itself falling forever into a black hole from which no thought can escape, sucking down the intellect of all those who come near...
That already happened. How do you think he got the VP nom?
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:05pm |
re: #125 reine.de.tout
LOL!
I shoulda thought of that!But you had me worried, I was checking and rechecking my links.
LOL! I remember my sisters watching that.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:19pm |
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KingKenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:35pm |
re: #113 Jim in Virginia
They have a deal but they won't vote until Sunday.
A lot can happen in 48 hours. 50 50 chance this falls apart. If it does pass, they have to go to conference and everyone, House and Senate, has to vote on it again.
I'm hoping some red state Dem senators get an earful. But I think the real action will happen on the final bill.
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Elektra Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:41pm |
Very happy to be here, thx! :)
Thoroughly enjoyed the opera, Guanxi.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:27:50pm |
re: #107 FrogMarch
Ace and Hot Air have good updates.
It looks like 59 dems and 2 Rino's.[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins. I've never heard of her.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:04pm |
re: #122 nyc redneck
and all these dead beats here think they are going to get free health care.
it might be free but it certainly won't be health care.
old people, poor people, even middle class people they have it better now than they will ever have it when they get DMV and U.S. post office quality health care.
it's the idea of "free" that suspends their common sense.
libs know this.
O know this.
I need the healthcare I'm getting now. Ain't cheap, but it keeps me alive.
I am really frightened that the changes Obama wants will reduce my access to the healthcare I need.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:08pm |
re: #113 Jim in Virginia
If it does pass, they have to go to conference and everyone, House and Senate, has to vote on it again.
/the "conference" will consist of the House adopting the Senate version and it'll be on Obama's desk Monday or Tuesday
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:08pm |
re: #102 Salem
On Fox, Glenn Beck, Ben Stein and, as if O'Reilly wasn't bad enough, Laura Ingrahm is filling in for him. All talking about the stimulus bill as if this pack of creationists had a milligram of credibility. With voices like these for the Republicans, the Democrats can look froward to a long long reign to do any frakking thing they want.
Laura Ingram is an excellent conservative voice. She's not bombastic, she explains the importance of moral values, and she doesn't go in for fake bipartisan gestures. You are wrong about her.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:33pm |
re: #139 Elektra
Very happy to be here, thx! :)
Thoroughly enjoyed the opera, Guanxi.
Not at all. Strauss (of that famous family) was a rotten, vicious Nazi SOB, but he was a genius when it came to the music.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:35pm |
re: #112 reine.de.tout
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:38pm |
re: #136 Guanxi88
What? that was some good stuff there. Taught me a lot.
It is a good cartoon.
I remember my daughter watching it.
Over and over and over and over and over . . .
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:46pm |
re: #140 MandyManners
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins. I've never heard of her.
I think she's the one whose voice quavers like she's sitting in a bath of ice.
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screaming_eagle Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:28:59pm |
Next time the One holds a press conference it would be really nice if he would just sing us a song.
Take this job and shove it. I ain't working here no more
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KingKenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:01pm |
McCain, Kyl, and Thune are giving good speeches against the bill. McCain was much more forceful than he ever was as a presidential candidate.
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saberry0530 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:14pm |
re: #136 Guanxi88
What? that was some good stuff there. Taught me a lot.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:15pm |
re: #133 reine.de.tout
re: #119 Guanxi88
re: #120 saberry0530
You guys all had the same idea.
Notice it is YOU GUYS who came up with the kiddie cartoon version.
Hey, now! I read lots and lots......
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gogman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:28pm |
Who were the Republicans that rolled over? They needed 60 votes.
Time for tar and feathers.
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:36pm |
re: #99 Iron FistNo one is as stupid as Biden looks. That simply isn't possible. Their stupidity would collapse in on itself falling forever into a black hole from which no thought can escape, sucking down the intellect of all those who come near...
Biden is that blowhard clown that is in every company or family.
The one people shrink from and cringe if they are caught in a corner by him and have to listen to his assholiness.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:41pm |
re: #142 Killian Bundy
/the "conference" will consist of the House adopting the Senate version and it'll be on Obama's desk Monday or Tuesday
and you said the Steelers would massacre the Cards....wait and see
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:47pm |
re: #151 saberry0530
Cripes, they played that one constantly when I was a kid.
I also like the Interjections! one they did.
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:58pm |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
Laura Ingram is an excellent conservative voice. She's not bombastic, she explains the importance of moral values, and she doesn't go in for fake bipartisan gestures. You are wrong about her.
Fine. She's no worse than O'Reilly.
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:58pm |
re: #107 FrogMarch
Ace and Hot Air have good updates.
It looks like 59 dems and 2 Rino's.[Link: ace.mu.nu...]
The rest of the Republicans need to blanket party the 2 RINO's. Tell them that their party is calling and needs their support to make the Democrats own this. That in and of itself will give some Democrats pause......
Voting with them serves no other purpose than to give them the bipartisan cover they want......
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HillJack Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:29:59pm |
And so it begins. The slow downward spiral of the once great and powerful United States of America into the dark abyss of socialism. Unfortunately Obama has proven all my fears true in less than 100 days. For the first time in my 45 years on this earth I am truly worried whether my country will be able to crawl out of the hole that will be dug for the next four years. I fill with rage and disgust every time I hear this false profit speak. I always held out hope that intelligence and common sense would always prevail in this country. I no longer feel that way after seeing the way Obama duped all those sheep that voted for him. I think we are all in for a rough four years folks if not eight.
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:02pm |
re: #105 jcm
Patty Murray. (D) WA.
The elevator was never installed.
A thousand updings. But you're still better off than me: I'm represented by Jim Moran and Jim Webb.
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KingKenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:09pm |
re: #140 MandyManners
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins. I've never heard of her.
Your brain would shut off after 5 minutes of listening to her talk. She speaks like someone mentally challenged (and I'm being kind).
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grahamski Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:21pm |
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Last Mohican Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:23pm |
re: #150 KingKenrod
McCain, Kyl, and Thune are giving good speeches against the bill. McCain was much more forceful than he ever was as a presidential candidate.
I've been thinking about this. I have come to the conclusion that McCain probably voted for Obama.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:35pm |
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pat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:30:45pm |
What a disaster. Obama is disassembling America out of sheer, obstinate ignorance.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:03pm |
re: #146 Jim in Virginia
hahahaha!
I love it.
All my animals want their "spot", no one else can have it.
And each cat has his "own" bowl, won't eat out of a general all-purpose bowl.
I love my pets, add so much to my life.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:06pm |
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Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:08pm |
Call me Little Green Nostradamus.
OK, but I'll have to call you collect after the government takes the CHANGE out of my pockets.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:26pm |
re: #158 LGoPs
The rest of the Republicans need to blanket party the 2 RINO's. Tell them that their party is calling and needs their support to make the Democrats own this. That in and of itself will give some Democrats pause......
Voting with them serves no other purpose than to give them the bipartisan cover they want......
exactly why they should be whipped senseless if it passes...whores
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:45pm |
re: #121 stuiec
I wouldn't worry too much, folks. It's going to be a long time before this gets finalized into law, if Nancy Pelosi has anything to say about it.
Lots of big egos in the eay of passing this bill.
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ayatollah ghilmeini Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:31:48pm |
A different perspective
Folks, I have some problems with this turd of a bill. It is bad. It will not do much.
That said, I am somewhat relieved it passed in the same way I felt some relief when the bailout turd came out.
We are in a deep recession, throwing 600k/mo. into unemployment. The bank bailout, bad as it was, prevented the banking system from completely imploding. It saved 10 million people from losing their homes jobs and worse.
As the folks in opposition, it is vital to let the dems hang themselves. This recession may last to 2012 even longer. The Golden Child may be a one term wonder with kind of leadership he has so far exhibited. While I would have preferred deep tax cuts and credits for job creation by private enterprise and liberalized rules on smaller sized companies going public (nothing stimulates the economy and pays taxe revenues like and IPO), but right now, the challenges are stemming the bleeding, getting banks bank on their feet and restoring investor and consumer confidence. Anyone not worried by current circumstances should be.
I talk to very smart people who handle bank workouts and M&A, there are hundreds of thousands of businesses out there hanging on by their fingernails and in deep risk of going under. If you love your country buy an American car today! Can't afford a car, take a romantic weekend or the kids someplace fun.
Everyone is pulling back, hunkering down, filled with uncertainty and worry. To hell with that. If its all going under, we will all go with it so pick up your heads America and proudly declare- he who dies with the most toys, wins! As members of the right we need to celebrate the idea that we will not let this leftist idiot and Kossacks prevent us from living life to its fullest. We are going to have to work harder and to enjoy the same quality of life over the next four years so dang it that means we have to PARTY harder.
Ignore the gloom and doom and live! We are free, our nation is still the wonder of the world and the COUTUS (Community Organizer of the United States), he too shall pass.
I am sick and tired of the negativism, whining and mean-spiritedness. For the next four years, Barack owns this mess and he will make the business case for our way of thinking for another generation in the same way Carter gave us 28 years of conservatives and conservative Democrats.
I am working harder than ever. I am working on two new companies and the prospects for both of them are excellent. One of the businesses has me in the ironic role of making money from building things lefties like; demand is never wrong!
By the way, oil is under $40 and there are great deals on SUVs.
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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:32:14pm |
re: #121 stuiec
Pelosi:
“These cuts are very damaging — [the House bill] was put together very carefully. ... "
..with a chainsaw and a 300 ton dump truck.
Send a shoe to Pelosi via USPS. Vote now, vote often.
They liked it before. Now they can savor....
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:32:23pm |
re: #155 albusteve
and you said the Steelers would massacre the Cards....wait and see
They can't change the Senate version or it'll fall apart.
/Pelosi can shove anything through the House
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traderjoe9 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:32:33pm |
If you spent $1,000,000 every day since Jesus was born...you still wouldn't have a trillion dollars!
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winston06 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:32:39pm |
Dems are going to bankrupt the United States. Like their minions in the Communist block did in 1980s
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Digital Display Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:32:52pm |
re: #144 Salem
That's right, ding me down. Don't tell me why I'm wrong.
who is dinging you Salem? Links?
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ciaospirit Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:33:14pm |
re: #153 gogman
Who were the Republicans that rolled over? They needed 60 votes.
Expected Specter and Sunshine Collins.
They don't want to see us dividing along partisan lines on the most serious crisis confronting our country," said Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, one of two GOP senators who signaled support for the bill.
In addition to Collins, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he would vote for the bill.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:33:26pm |
re: #159 HillJack
"I fill with rage and disgust every time I hear this false profit speak."
The mis-spell works. No profit with "0".
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:33:48pm |
re: #155 albusteve
and you said the Steelers would massacre the Cards....wait and see
/and actually, I never said anything about the Super Bowl either
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Lee Coller Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:33:51pm |
re: #172 ayatollah ghilmeini
That's a pretty high cost just to make the Dems look bad.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:21pm |
re: #175 traderjoe9
If you spent $1,000,000 every day since Jesus was born...you still wouldn't have a trillion dollars!
I'd like to test your claim. Somebody get me into Congress, and we'll see if it's true.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:25pm |
re: #174 Killian Bundy
They can't change the Senate version or it'll fall apart.
/Pelosi can shove anything through the House
the wild card here as I see it is the public....we ned an onslaught over the weekend...when I sober up tomarrow my keyboard will be on fire...how about you?
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KingKenrod Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:40pm |
Coburn: This is generational theft. What's going to happen to your children if this passes?
I think that's an idea that the GOP could really sell. It's short and easy to understand.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:50pm |
re: #175 traderjoe9
If you spent $1,000,000 every day since Jesus was born...you still wouldn't have a trillion dollars!
I did a little different calculation earlier.
There are just over 1 billion minutes in 2000 years.
You'd have to spend $780 dollars a minute for 2000 years.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:53pm |
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Gort Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:34:54pm |
I'm watching this under-the-dark-of-the-night swindle unfold on C-Span, and Tom Coburn (R) just said it all:
"This is the Largest Generational Theft Bill in History
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:35:05pm |
re: #155 albusteve
and you said the Steelers would massacre the Cards....wait and see
The Steelers can't even play baseball. What a dumb thing to say.
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nyc redneck Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:35:08pm |
re: #141 reine.de.tout
I need the healthcare I'm getting now. Ain't cheap, but it keeps me alive.
I am really frightened that the changes Obama wants will reduce my access to the healthcare I need.
{reine}, i'm thinking that when americans see the damage he is doing we can turn it around. think 2010.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:35:15pm |
re: #183 Guanxi88
I'd like to test your claim. Somebody get me into Congress, and we'll see if it's true.
Congress can do it with one vote!
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:35:27pm |
re: #186 jcm
I did a little different calculation earlier.
There are just over 1 billion minutes in 2000 years.
You'd have to spend $780 dollars a minute for 2000 years.
Fine; make me the CFO for a high-tech start-up company, and I'll test that theory, too.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:35:45pm |
re: #180 Killian Bundy
/and actually, I never said anything about the Super Bowl either
dont be ridiculous...I was there bro
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:36:33pm |
re: #189 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The Steelers can't even play baseball. What a dumb thing to say.
why I oughta....
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:36:45pm |
re: #189 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
The Steelers can't even play baseball. What a dumb thing to say.
Neither can the Cards.
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:00pm |
re: #68 Charles
Uh. Wait a minute.
Sarah Palin IS opposed to contraception, she did say she thought creationism should be taught in schools (and later took it back), she attended a hardcore Pentecostal church, she IS an abortion extremist (she advocates a constitutional amendment to ban abortions with NO exceptions), she did say that global warming was a myth, etc. etc.
There were distortions of her viewpoints, true. But this summary of her positions is dishonest.
Here are the reasons I voted for her:
In all these respects, Palin was an uncanny match for John McCain. Her political style and priorities resembled McCain’s in a way that no other senior Republican elected official’s did. Her conservatism, like McCain’s, was more an attitude than an ideology: it was a kind of moralistic anti-corruptionism, obsessed with honest dealing and powerfully allergic to excess and waste. Palin did not, of course, share McCain’s foreign-policy expertise or his heroic biography, but she shared what he often stressed most about himself, and what he most wanted to run on: she was, as the public would soon be informed ad nauseam, a reforming maverick.
It follows Walter's desire to "throw the bums out and start fresh", although as Walter correctly points out, she is a "career politician".
Also:
It seemed to matter not a whit that Palin had never taken any action on abortion in her time as governor, and rarely had much to say on the subject.
You are correct in your views about her religion, etc.
She doesn't push it legislatively. Bobby Jindal does.
Therein lies the difference in my attitude toward both.
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:00pm |
re: #194 Iron Fist
Oh, no, he isn't doing this out of ignorance. He knows exactly what he is doing. The best case scenario is that he just doesn't care, that he's doing this shit to stick a thumb in America's collective eye, as it were.
The other possibility is that he knows what he is doing, and it is going to get him exactly what he wants. That is a truly frightening prospect...
Did you see his rant yesterday?
He is pushing this simply because he does NOT know how to handle being told NO.
The arrogance of this clown is astounding!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:11pm |
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:11pm |
re: #164 Dark_Falcon
Please see my #143.
The crux of it is, people who are thinking they might have made a mistake voting for Obama are going to see these promoters of theocracy on the other side and think again. And I won't blame them. The Republican party needs to do some real soul-searching.
If I thought the fairness doctrine was only going to alienate the IDiot pundits, I'd be all for it.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:21pm |
re: #192 Guanxi88
Fine; make me the CFO for a high-tech start-up company, and I'll test that theory, too.
The startup I was with we only burned $10 million a year for the first 4 years. Last year we had a $180 million in revenue on the product.
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screaming_eagle Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:41pm |
re: #183 Guanxi88
I'd like to test your claim. Somebody get me into Congress, and we'll see if it's true.
Where's BLAGO when you need him..
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:50pm |
re: #199 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Now that hurts... :-)
I'm not a baseball fan, Vet. Just talking out my ass...
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:53pm |
re: #194 Iron Fist
Oh, no, he isn't doing this out of ignorance. He knows exactly what he is doing. The best case scenario is that he just doesn't care, that he's doing this shit to stick a thumb in America's collective eye, as it were.
The other possibility is that he knows what he is doing, and it is going to get him exactly what he wants. That is a truly frightening prospect...
A few days ago, i was here arguing that the guy had no character, substance, or guiding principles, and that the daily clusterf*cks we saw were proof of it. Now, I begin to think he must have some idea of what he's doing - I mean, even a complete f*ck-up does something right every now and then - the odds alone should work in his favor at least once in a while. But, no, he's missing the mark too often, and by too wide a margin, for it to be accidental.
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Arbalest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:37:58pm |
A what-if scenario that I posted earlier at MM:
Suppose the Democrats have less than 50 guaranteed votes, maybe much less, and those on the fence want to see some Republican votes first. I bet a lot of Democrats have a barely-controlled case of upset stomach right now.
After all, $800 billion is a lot of money (do we have it?). There’s at least $250 billion that could be easily cut (neither jobs, nor tax-breaks), and there’s a Democratic Congressman who’s coming up with a no-pork $175 billion stimulus bill on his own.
If this bill fails, we will likely see many new faces in Congress in 2010.
The Question: what happens if, during the roll-call vote, no Republicans vote for the bill?
Remember, Obama’s record of spending money is essentially a $150 million failure.
How many remaining Democrats will vote for it?
How many will change their vote?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:38:13pm |
re: #193 albusteve
dont be ridiculous...I was there bro
Linky?
/good luck, because you won't find one
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:38:38pm |
re: #194 Iron Fist
Oh, no, he isn't doing this out of ignorance. He knows exactly what he is doing. The best case scenario is that he just doesn't care, that he's doing this shit to stick a thumb in America's collective eye, as it were.
The other possibility is that he knows what he is doing, and it is going to get him exactly what he wants. That is a truly frightening prospect...
I think it's the latter.
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Lynn B. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:38:45pm |
re: #124 Shug
I hope Lynn Swann runs against Specter next time.
Yeah, 'cause he did so well against Rendell.
/
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logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:02pm |
re: #200 Salem
The crux of it is, people who are thinking they might have made a mistake voting for Obama are going to see these promoters of theocracy on the other side and think again. And I won't blame them. The Republican party needs to do some real soul-searching.
If I thought the fairness doctrine was only going to alienate the IDiot pundits, I'd be all for it.
Are you serious about the Fairness Doctrine? Are you really that stupid?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:07pm |
re: #203 rightwinger3
I'm not a baseball fan, Vet. Just talking out my ass...
That's OK, it will probably be reactionary to be a baseball fan under our new commie overlords.
The People's game is soccer, right Comrade?
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:32pm |
Back a while ago I said here that if you really want to stimulate the economy, and if the circumstances are really that dire, suspend the income tax for a year.
Use the money you have designated for this package to cover the governments expenses in the meantime.......
That would be a revolutionary idea and it would probably work. Think fo the spending spree people would be likely to go on..... which is what a stimulus needs.
I actually heard a conservative pundit on the radio last night say the same thing. Wonder if he reads LGF.
If we're really in that much trouble, this would be an innovative and idea and certainly worth a discussion......
Of course it would ruin the Democrats plans to use this as a Pirate raid on the treasury.......
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wolfie Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:56pm |
re: #160 Jim in Virginia
A thousand updings. But you're still better off than me: I'm represented by Jim Moran and Jim Webb.
Too many Jims here in Virginia, if you ask me.
Oh wait......I'm sorry!
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The Shadow Do Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:59pm |
re: #159 HillJack
And so it begins. The slow downward spiral of the once great and powerful United States of America into the dark abyss of socialism. Unfortunately Obama has proven all my fears true in less than 100 days. For the first time in my 45 years on this earth I am truly worried whether my country will be able to crawl out of the hole that will be dug for the next four years. I fill with rage and disgust every time I hear this false profit speak. I always held out hope that intelligence and common sense would always prevail in this country. I no longer feel that way after seeing the way Obama duped all those sheep that voted for him. I think we are all in for a rough four years folks if not eight.
Hell young'un. We survived Carter (and all the duped sheep he enlisted) and we'll survive this fool (future Idiotarian of the Year award winner) as well. Really.
*slams another three fingers of Canadian Club*
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:39:59pm |
re: #201 jcm
The startup I was with we only burned $10 million a year for the first 4 years. Last year we had a $180 million in revenue on the product.
Piker! Why, with my virtual high-tech incubator concept, I could have a burn-rate that would make Zimbabwean inflation jealous.
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:40:02pm |
re: #175 traderjoe9
If you spent $1,000,000 every day since Jesus was born...you still wouldn't have a trillion dollars!
This reminds me of the reporter who asked what Ty Cobb would hit if he were playing today, and the old timer said "Probably about .275".
Startled, the reporter asked "Why? Are the pitchers stronger today? The fielders better?"
The old timer said, "No, if Cobb were playing today he'd be 122 years old..."
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:40:10pm |
I just called Senator Spector's office, his phone mailbox is full, thus I was unable to leave my message.
My message, when his phone lines open, will mention philly's budget woes which have closed 3 Fire Stations, then I'll let him know I do not see any money in the Stimulus package that will fix that need.
After all that my county here on the out side of philly has done for him to keep him sittin' in that senate seat, he's got some serious answering to do - oh yeah, a trip to Spector's office is necessary!
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Digital Display Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:40:41pm |
re: #102 Salem
On Fox, Glenn Beck, Ben Stein and, as if O'Reilly wasn't bad enough, Laura Ingrahm is filling in for him. All talking about the stimulus bill as if this pack of creationists had a milligram of credibility. With voices like these for the Republicans, the Democrats can look froward to a long long reign to do any frakking thing they want.
If you would have just edited out the highlighted part..I might have up dinged you.. Nevertheless..I will not down ding you.
Regards..
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:40:55pm |
re: #209 logboy
Are you serious about the Fairness Doctrine? Are you really that stupid?
You need someone to look the word "if" up for you?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:41:05pm |
re: #200 Salem
The crux of it is, people who are thinking they might have made a mistake voting for Obama are going to see these promoters of theocracy on the other side and think again. And I won't blame them. The Republican party needs to do some real soul-searching.
If I thought the fairness doctrine was only going to alienate the IDiot pundits, I'd be all for it.
I don't see how Laura Ingram is promoting theocracy, nor Glen Beck either. And Ben Stein did not deal with the subject of evolution but rather with the porkilus bill, a subject on which he had some useful hings to say. I honestly do not understand how you are reaching your conclusions. I'm not going to down-ding you, because I want to hear your reasoning.
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n in wi Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:41:07pm |
re: #172 ayatollah ghilmeini
This bill,with all the Gov. spending, is going to lead to Hyper inflation. That is a tax on everything,and everybody. That will be followed by high interest rates. Welcome back Carter.
The Alinsy Dems are working at making the elections of 2010,and beyond irrelevant. Welcome back FDR.
Hard to see any good in this .
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Shr_Nfr Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:41:54pm |
Boy o boy, I am going to get a chance to sell the $99,600 of doorbell stimulus in Laurel, Md. aren't I. Oh, I'm not, I see. I do not get stimulated, I just get taxed. ha, but I have now trotted out my perfectly legal tax avoidance strategy. Since I am retired, I can determine how much I draw from my IRA and guess what boys and girls, it is going to be around 30% of what I did last year. I do not need the extra cash at the moment and these guys are not going to get me to pay taxes. Legally. Hey Obama go screw a goat and I hope it has muscle spasms when you do and you can't pull out.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:41:55pm |
re: #210 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
That's OK, it will probably be reactionary to be a baseball fan under our new commie overlords.
The People's game is soccer, right Comrade?
Yep. And I know the Steelers and the Cards can't play that. Hell, for that matter neither can the Galaxy.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:42:10pm |
re: #217 outsidephilly
I just called Senator Spector's office, his phone mailbox is full, thus I was unable to leave my message.
He's gotten the message.
/he just doesn't care, he never has, and yet he keeps getting reelected
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LGoPs Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:42:46pm |
re: #205 Arbalest
A what-if scenario that I posted earlier at MM:
Suppose the Democrats have less than 50 guaranteed votes, maybe much less, and those on the fence want to see some Republican votes first. I bet a lot of Democrats have a barely-controlled case of upset stomach right now.
After all, $800 billion is a lot of money (do we have it?). There’s at least $250 billion that could be easily cut (neither jobs, nor tax-breaks), and there’s a Democratic Congressman who’s coming up with a no-pork $175 billion stimulus bill on his own.
If this bill fails, we will likely see many new faces in Congress in 2010.
The Question: what happens if, during the roll-call vote, no Republicans vote for the bill?
Remember, Obama’s record of spending money is essentially a $150 million failure.
How many remaining Democrats will vote for it?
How many will change their vote?
That's why Republicans need to follow what I said in # 158
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:43:00pm |
re: #206 Killian Bundy
Linky?
/good luck, because you won't find one
I dont have to...I clearly remember you saying the Cards will be crushed etc and you talked about some point spread of like 14 or even more...you made several posts about the subject....frankly I thought you knew little about football or the NFL and was surprised you'd write them off like that...you know what you posted
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n in wi Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:43:06pm |
re: #192 Guanxi88
Fine; make me the CFO for a high-tech start-up company, and I'll test that theory, too.
O.K. but you can't make more than 500k per year.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:43:32pm |
re: #216 jcbunga
This reminds me of the reporter who asked what Ty Cobb would hit if he were playing today, and the old timer said "Probably about .275".
Startled, the reporter asked "Why? Are the pitchers stronger today? The fielders better?"
The old timer said, "No, if Cobb were playing today he'd be 122 years old..."
Story is actually better than that and true.
Reporter asking Ty Cobb himself, same line of thought, ended with something like:
"No, because I'm 80 f*cking years old."
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:43:46pm |
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:43:46pm |
re: #207 MandyManners
I think it's the latter.
O is not that smart.
He's a lucjy politician who got just what he wanted and has no idea what to do.
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Lynn B. Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:02pm |
I posted my thoughts on this bleeping mess here.
But trying to look at the glass half full (or at least not completely empty) ...
As part of the deal, spending in the bill was reduced while tax cuts were increased.
That's better than nothing. I think.
And what Killian said (#19).
Time for wine.
And dinner.
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pat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:08pm |
re: #221 n in wi
This follows an outrageous tobacco tax that will not begin to fund the billions committed to the unending SHIP entitlement which will eventually cost as much as Medicare. Insanity. He will next suggest we disarm to pay for these entitlements.
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gregg Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:20pm |
TigerHawk suggests a way to fight the bill once it is passed:
Now, it has become very difficult to do big projects in this country because of the labyrinth of federal and state regulation and the propensity of anti-growth and environmental activists to delay projects by litigation. This ability to prevent development has been one of the great "accomplishments" of the left of the Democratic Party in the last generation, in symbiosis with the merely self-interested trial bar.
So, what if conservatives filed lawsuits to block, delay, harrass, and vex every project funded by the stimulus bill? You know, use the tactics of the left to prevent the waste of taxpayer money.
Sounds interesting, but I doubt it would work.
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notutopia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:38pm |
McCain speaking live on Cspan
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:57pm |
re: #224 Iron Fist
Interestingly enough, I got something in the mail talking about the bailouts and refinancing I just did a refy last summer, but I may call the se people and see if I can get some cash out and get a lower interest rate. Put the money into essential things like tattoos :-)
Hell, yes. I won't say they last forever, but it will last until a short while after you are gone.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:44:58pm |
re: #215 Guanxi88
Piker! Why, with my virtual high-tech incubator concept, I could have a burn-rate that would make Zimbabwean inflation jealous.
LOL! 10 years ago you might have found the venture capital!
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n in wi Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:45:19pm |
re: #233 pat
This follows an outrageous tobacco tax that will not begin to fund the billions committed to the unending SHIP entitlement which will eventually cost as much as Medicare. Insanity. He will next suggest we disarm to pay for these entitlements.
Like I said, welcome back Carter.
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Last Mohican Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:45:32pm |
re: #224 Iron Fist
Interestingly enough, I got something in the mail talking about the bailouts and refinancing I just did a refy last summer, but I may call the se people and see if I can get some cash out and get a lower interest rate. Put the money into essential things like tattoos :-)
Interest rate, schmintrest rate. Paying your mortgage is so 1990's. Just buy that Mercedes you've had your eye on and take a trip to Hawaii. Someone will come and bail you out later.
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:45:38pm |
re: #225 Killian Bundy
He's gotten the message.
/he just doesn't care, he never has, and yet he keeps getting reelected
I can't just let it go . . . . , I want to hear his reasoning
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Arbalest Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:45:49pm |
re: #226 LGoPs
Agreed, but I want to see just how serious the Democrats are in backing this amount of spending and the projects listed.
My guess is that they'll crumble if the bill does not pass, and be voted out if the bill causes the economic misery it seems likely to cause.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:45:53pm |
re: #237 rightwinger3
Hell, yes. I won't say they last forever, but it will last until a short while after you are gone.
Not sure here, mine are now 30 years old... very smudgy at this point. Hard to read.
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:46:01pm |
re: #229 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Story is actually better than that and true.
Reporter asking Ty Cobb himself, same line of thought, ended with something like:
"No, because I'm 80 f*cking years old."
Your version sounds more plausible. Excellent!
Cobb probably spiked him and walked away. lol
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sawblade88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:46:06pm |
Apparently when you are in a hole, you get a bigger backhoe so you can dig faster. Or so we would learn from our leaders in Washington.
Throw out every one of them that votes for this atrocity.
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Guanxi88 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:46:09pm |
re: #238 jcm
LOL! 10 years ago you might have found the venture capital!
I know, i know. I missed my calling - I shoulda been an entrepreneur in the 90's, or a pick-pocket in the 50's.
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jaunte Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:47:01pm |
From The Corner:
Senate Bill Still Costs More than House Bill
[Mark Hemingway]
Senate GOP sending this out:
The $780 billion figure doesn't include the $46.5 billion in amendments added to the stimulus bill this week. According to our numbers, the deal is at least $827 billion, $7 billion MORE than the House passed bill. With debt, that comes to $1.175 trillion total cost for the new deal.
Only in Washington can an increase over the original bill cost be sold as a cut.
This figure includes:$780 B (for base deal)
$46.5 B (for amendments added during debate)
$348 B (for debt service)Total equals $1.175 Trillion
To put that in perspective, the total cost of House bill is $1.168 trillion ($820 billion for bill and $348 billion for debt service)
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:47:17pm |
re: #243 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Not sure here, mine are now 30 years old... very smudgy at this point. Hard to read.
Ah shit. Mine are coming up on being that old soon. Look okay now though.
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ciaospirit Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:47:55pm |
Obama Hussein.
CAIR WELCOMES PRESIDENT’S ISLAMIC REFERENCE AT PRAYER BREAKFAST
(WASHINGTON, D.C., 2/5/2009) - The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today welcomed President Barack Obama’s use of a quote from Islam’s Prophet Muhammad in his remarks at Thursday’s National Prayer Breakfast.
In his prepared remarks, President Obama quoted the prophetic tradition, or “hadith,” which states: “None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.” That hadith may be found in Sahih Al-Bukhari, one of the most respected collections of the Prophet Muhammad’s statements and actions.
“We welcome President Obama’s use of one of the most beloved sayings of the Prophet Muhammad and appreciate the desire for religious inclusion and tolerance that apparently motivated his choice of references,” said CAIR Legislative Director Corey Saylor. “This reference, along with the president’s ground-breaking statement to the Muslim world in his inaugural address, can only serve to increase respect for religious diversity in America and help repair our nation’s damaged image worldwide.”
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:48:06pm |
If anyone sees Wyatt would you let him know I'm visiting Spector's philly office next week
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:48:28pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
I don't see how Laura Ingram is promoting theocracy, nor Glen Beck either. And Ben Stein did not deal with the subject of evolution but rather with the porkilus bill, a subject on which he had some useful hings to say. I honestly do not understand how you are reaching your conclusions. I'm not going to down-ding you, because I want to hear your reasoning.
Do I need to clarify that this is my opinion? They are all on the record as supporting giving ID equal time with evolution in public schools. Hence, I don't need to hear another word from them on any other topic. They are kooks. If the Republican party wants to hang their fate on the ranting of a bunch of fringe kooks who someone has seen fit to put behind a microphone, then the Republican party is driving down a dead-end beyond 2010.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:48:38pm |
re: #215 Guanxi88
Piker! Why, with my virtual high-tech incubator concept, I could have a burn-rate that would make Zimbabwean inflation jealous.
LOL! 10 years ago you might have found the venture capital!
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logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:48:49pm |
re: #219 Salem
You need someone to look the word "if" up for you?
You just said if the Fairness Doctrine censored the voices you didn't want to hear (you said idiot pundits) you'd be OK with it. Perhaps you've never heard of this wonderful thing called free speech. What gives ANYONE the power to judge what should and should not be heard? I don't care if it only censored Liberals and not Conservatives, it still wouldn't be right. The great thing about our country is the ability to openly share ideas, and to agree to disagree with people.
Don't try to play this off like you're joking either. After the earlier blanket bashing statement you made about the reporters at Fox its clear you don't like hearing things you disagree with.
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abolitionist Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:48:51pm |
re: #101 reine.de.tout
Have any of these been "funded" somewhere else (that happens sometimes).
The GOP gets "blamed" for being anti-science, but the O's budget cuts the funding for science programs?
% cut in funding vs % cut in supplementary (stimulus) funding was not clear to me.
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:49:01pm |
re: #248 jaunte
From The Corner:
Senate Bill Still Costs More than House Bill
[Mark Hemingway]
It was going up as the guys on Fox were discussing it...they were tallying amendments from the week.
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Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:49:05pm |
re: #217 outsidephilly
How come every time I see Specter crawl out of his rathole it's to vote with Democrats?
Do they have they only key to his crypt or something?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:49:29pm |
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
Two of them were previously banned. One of these previously banned users told me to block his account, he was sick and tired of my obsession with evolution, and it was time to move on. Gotta love it.
I'm leaving both of these accounts open, but this is a heads-up to them -- you're not fooling me.
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MikeyHunt Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:49:52pm |
re: #23 Sifty
Although I'm late to the fight today...(damn rain)..you have stated my feelings, eloquently & exactly!
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:50:09pm |
re: #249 rightwinger3
Ah shit. Mine are coming up on being that old soon. Look okay now though.
My dad's from WW2 were never something I could figure out, they were 42 years old when he died, I couldn't make them out 10-15 years earlier.
Never did find out what they were.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:50:52pm |
re: #231 Jim in Virginia
O is not that smart.
He's a lucjy politician who got just what he wanted and has no idea what to do.
Horsefeathers. He's a fucking Commie.
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Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:51:10pm |
re: #68 Charles
Uh. Wait a minute.
Sarah Palin IS opposed to contraception, she did say she thought creationism should be taught in schools (and later took it back), she attended a hardcore Pentecostal church, she IS an abortion extremist (she advocates a constitutional amendment to ban abortions with NO exceptions), she did say that global warming was a myth, etc. etc.
There were distortions of her viewpoints, true. But this summary of her positions is dishonest.
I hear what you're saying, Charles, but this situation is really not that extreme. Sarah is a friend of mine, she's a sane, balanced and popular executive who has no visible wacko tendencies, and I'm simply stating (ya just gotta trust me) that the above summary of her positions isn't dishonest at all. From what little I know of you and your excellent value system, I'm convinced that you'd really like to get to know the whole Palin family, and wouldn't put any extremist labels on them at all.
The Palin's are a liberal nightmare: A happy, respected, well-adjusted self-sustaining American family with a great value system, and lots of genuine love for each other, with no strings attached.
It just isn't that big of a deal.
(Come visit Alaska, and maybe we can arrange a wolf hunt!)
/sarc off
.
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Wishing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:51:12pm |
re: #172 ayatollah ghilmeini
1000 updings!
Are you running for office? If not, consider it.
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:51:15pm |
re: #258 Sifty
How come every time I see Specter crawl out of his rathole it's to vote with Democrats?
Do they have they only key to his crypt or something?
. . . , yeah, why is that?
I think I'll visit his DC office instead of his philly office. . . . ,
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:51:23pm |
re: #259 Charles
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
OK now THIS reminds me of my 7th grade science teacher...on the day of the final exam he walked over to a bulletin board and pulled the exam off the wall...it had been there all semester. He said it was a lesson in being observant.
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wolfie Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:51:33pm |
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re: #233 pat
This follows an outrageous tobacco tax that will not begin to fund the billions committed to the unending SHIP entitlement which will eventually cost as much as Medicare. Insanity. He will next suggest we disarm to pay for these entitlements.
The tobacco tax has already hit the top of the Laffer curve, IMO, and will provide NO added revenue past the first few months.
Insanity is the word.
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IslandLibertarian Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:52:44pm |
re: #253 Salem
They are all on the record as supporting giving ID equal time with evolution in public schools.
link? footnote? reference?
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:52:57pm |
re: #244 godfrey
Why not also try to flip moderate Dems?
re: #227 albusteve
I dont have to...I clearly remember you saying the Cards will be crushed etc and you talked about some point spread of like 14 or even more...you made several posts about the subject....frankly I thought you knew little about football or the NFL and was surprised you'd write them off like that...you know what you posted
Look, I said the Eagles would beat the Arizona and that the spread should have opened in double digits for the Super Bowl.
/I never said the Steelers would crush the Cardinals
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Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:53:23pm |
re: #260 MikeyHunt
I think I would prefer to go back to thinking that I'm full of shit and nothing really bad like that could happen here.
But I guess once you break the code, put on the glasses, and see the aliens, you just can't go back.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:53:49pm |
re: #259 Charles
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
Two of them were previously banned. One of these previously banned users told me to block his account, he was sick and tired of my obsession with evolution, and it was time to move on. Gotta love it.
I'm leaving both of these accounts open, but this a heads-up to them -- you're not fooling me.
The rest of us haven't even noticed, Charles.
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:54:16pm |
So we probably won't see this bill posted on the White House site for that 5 day review that the O promised, will we?
At least we can be confident that we'll be seeing results rolling up here Recovery website any minute now...
Yup. Comin' Real Soon Now...
Isn't it?
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:55:07pm |
re: #158 LGoPs
The rest of the Republicans need to blanket party the 2 RINO's. Tell them that their party is calling and needs their support to make the Democrats own this. That in and of itself will give some Democrats pause......
Voting with them serves no other purpose than to give them the bipartisan cover they want......
Blue dogs dems are going to pay for this. big time.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:55:11pm |
re: #253 Salem
Do I need to clarify that this is my opinion? They are all on the record as supporting giving ID equal time with evolution in public schools. Hence, I don't need to hear another word from them on any other topic. They are kooks. If the Republican party wants to hang their fate on the ranting of a bunch of fringe kooks who someone has seen fit to put behind a microphone, then the Republican party is driving down a dead-end beyond 2010.
We can't use support for ID as litmus test. Simply put, there just aren't enough Republicans who believe in evolution for us to win without support for people who are creationist. This does not, repeat not, mean that we don't talk about why ID and creationism are wrong. It does mean that we need to find ways to work with people with whom we disagree on this issue on those issue we agree on, and in my mind those issues are more numerous.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:55:19pm |
re: #244 godfrey
Why not also try to flip moderate Dems?
/they're being threatened with a political backlash, at least in the Senate, if they bolt the party line
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jcbunga Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:55:50pm |
re: #275 van helsing
At least we can be confident that we'll be seeing results rolling up here Recovery website any minute now...
My browser blocked it as a porn site.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:21pm |
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Ledger1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:29pm |
The democrats control the Executive Branch.
The Democrats control the Senate.
The Democrats control the House.
The republican control very little and fear retaliation. Obama clearly stated “We Won.” He meant it.
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n in wi Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:29pm |
re: #268 wolfie
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The tobacco tax has already hit the top of the Laffer curve, IMO, and will provide NO added revenue past the first few months.
Insanity is the word.
Why do Dems understand that taxing tobacco will decrease it's use,yet fail to get the same holds true for work,savings, and investment?
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Dirk Diggler Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:37pm |
In other dire economic news...
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Sifty Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:42pm |
re: #275 van helsing
If we wait to read it, another 350,000,000,000,000,000 jobs will be lost every month!
-San Fran Nan
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:56:53pm |
re: #274 rightwinger3
The rest of us haven't even noticed, Charles.
The 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth is coming up. I know it's a really unpopular opinion on the right, but I think the 200th anniversary of the birth of one of history's greatest scientific pioneers is important.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:12pm |
re: #259 Charles
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
Two of them were previously banned. One of these previously banned users told me to block his account, he was sick and tired of my obsession with evolution, and it was time to move on. Gotta love it.
I'm leaving both of these accounts open, but this is a heads-up to them -- you're not fooling me.
So we literally have been walking on eggshells today? Or did the hatchlings clear their shells up? :)
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:15pm |
I'd congratulate you Charles, but I'm sure this is one win you wish you hadn't won.
So... how does this break down? How much is it going to cost per taxpayer?
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:17pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:18pm |
So who were the Pubbies that rolled over?
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:20pm |
re: #255 logboy
You just said if the Fairness Doctrine censored the voices you didn't want to hear (you said idiot pundits) you'd be OK with it. Perhaps you've never heard of this wonderful thing called free speech. What gives ANYONE the power to judge what should and should not be heard? I don't care if it only censored Liberals and not Conservatives, it still wouldn't be right. The great thing about our country is the ability to openly share ideas, and to agree to disagree with people.
Don't try to play this off like you're joking either. After the earlier blanket bashing statement you made about the reporters at Fox its clear you don't like hearing things you disagree with.
Promoters of theocracy are vile and dangerous and anything that will shut them up I support. Obviously, the fairness doctrine has a wider scope than that and threatens free speech in it's entirety. That's why the qualifier "if". Obviously, it was a hypothesis and I'm not going to go on trying to explain that concept to you. You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:36pm |
re: #280 DistantThunder
Man, that's a whole bunch of digits.
How long before the fed budget starts showing up in scientific notation?
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:57:59pm |
re: #279 jcbunga
My browser blocked it as a porn site.
I was gonna tell you you were wrong, and then I thought for a second...
Well, hell.
Can't argue with you. It is OBSCENE.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:58:18pm |
re: #286 Charles
The 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth is coming up. I know it's a really unpopular opinion on the right, but I think the 200th anniversary of the birth of one of history's greatest scientific pioneers is important.
Hmmm, Charles Johnson, Charles Darwin....
I think there is more here than we've been told....
/
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Jim in Virginia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:58:25pm |
The deal ain't done yet. Feinstein reserves the right to vote against the stimulus.
NRO also reports that the Dems may need Kenendy (who is recuperating in Florida) to pass the bill.
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smokefire Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:58:28pm |
I need help. I just designed a Remember the Cole sign, and would like to get it to LGF. It is a Microsoft word. Can anyone help me?
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:58:39pm |
I wonder if philly's local news media will do a man-on-the-street interview about this bill for tonight's news . . . . ,
I'm gonna call the TV stations.
I'm gonna suggest they send their top news reporters out and chat with the regular people about this bill.
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Dolphin Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:58:47pm |
New to the thread and have not read the entire thread but.. I don’t get the rush and push into the vote on the stimulus bill. I don’t understand the rush to shut down Gitmo. Why is he in such a hurry? What are we not seeing that he is planning? What exactly is in this bill that NO-ONE has had the chance to read? What is the real storied behind the meeting with the Cole families that had to be hushed up. The big O is keeping everyone confused, so that he does not look stupid and they don’t realize that he has NO clue to what he is doing. My BS radar is going off!
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:59:20pm |
Stimulus Update: Senate Bill $7.5 billion Higher Than House Version
Senate spending whores
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 5:59:45pm |
re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Man, that's a whole bunch of digits.
How long before the fed budget starts showing up in scientific notation?
They'd like that suggestion since most of the public school educated citizens would just think it was a smaller number.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:00:04pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
Stimulus Update: Senate Bill $7.5 billion Higher Than House Version
Senate spending whores
$7.5 billion is chump change in the scope of this bill.
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:00:07pm |
re: #293 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Man, that's a whole bunch of digits.
How long before the fed budget starts showing up in scientific notation?
As soon as they find someone in congress smart enough to tell them what 'scientific notation' is.
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Digital Display Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:00:23pm |
re: #259 Charles
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
Two of them were previously banned. One of these previously banned users told me to block his account, he was sick and tired of my obsession with evolution, and it was time to move on. Gotta love it.
I'm leaving both of these accounts open, but this is a heads-up to them -- you're not fooling me.
The most fun regisistration was when Rancher for months tried to get in..It was so funny cause he would always be on the way home from work and just miss it..or be sleeping..He'd lurk and see we were begging him to sign up..It went on for like 2 months..best entertainment..and great laughs.right rancher?
So I propose this..just an idea..If a long time lizard of good standing emails Charles with a suggestion for membership to LGF's.. and tells him this person would just rock as a lizard..I would hope Charles would email him/her a password...
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:02pm |
re: #288 irish rose
I'd congratulate you Charles, but I'm sure this is one win you wish you hadn't won.
So... how does this break down? How much is it going to cost per taxpayer?
Carl Sagan amounts of money by the time my grandkids are fully grown adults.
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pat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:32pm |
I love it. Reporters are denied access to Obama at press conferences unless their questions and answers are provided by the White House, they are relegated to the backwoods, and physically restrained from approaching the Messiah or his staff, all Obama's people must go through the commissar before talking to the public, and they are roughed up ([Link: www.politico.com...] and they still kiss his ass like he has some deep thoughts. When does it occurr to them that they are fools?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:32pm |
re: #302 DistantThunder
They'd like that suggestion since most of the public school educated citizens would just think it was a smaller number.
$7.8 x 1012
Sounds almost like a lunch price....
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:33pm |
re: #306 HoosierHoops
The most fun regisistration was when Rancher for months tried to get in..It was so funny cause he would always be on the way home from work and just miss it..or be sleeping..He'd lurk and see we were begging him to sign up..It went on for like 2 months..best entertainment..and great laughs.right rancher?
So I propose this..just an idea..If a long time lizard of good standing emails Charles with a suggestion for membership to LGF's.. and tells him this person would just rock as a lizard..I would hope Charles would email him/her a password...
I've done that lots of times, but I don't want to advertise it and make a whole lot of work for myself.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:47pm |
re: #292 Iron Fist
You should see the next one I'm going to get. It's kind of a winged chimera-looking thing twelve inches across. It's going to take up most of my lower back.
Too cool, but I have to wait a week or two before I can do it.
Sounds cool. I want to get another "Ed" Iron Maiden album cover. I'm thinking Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. But that will have to wait until 0bama takes over my mortgage payment or bails me out.
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:01:59pm |
re: #304 Charles
$7.5 billion is chump change in the scope of this bill.
A trillion here a a trillion there pretty soon we're talking real money.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:02:19pm |
"If they need Kennedy's vote that's not exactly a sign of Democratic confidence."
[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]
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winston06 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:02:20pm |
re: #298 smokefire
hmmm, can you turn it to a JPEG format image and upload it on one of the image hosting websites?
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wolfie Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:01pm |
re: #282 n in wi
Why do Dems understand that taxing tobacco will decrease it's use,yet fail to get the same holds true for work,savings, and investment?
Well, when they're taxing tobacco to discourage its use, they understand that use will go down. When they're taxing tobacco to fund an expensive health program, suddenly they assume use will stay the same and the money will roll in.
I guess they "understand" only what they want to understand for the purposes of the moment!.........and work, savings, etc. is not a part of their purpose.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:12pm |
re: #21 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I'd call them a bunch of whores, but whores actually do something useful.
And with whores, you actually know what you're getting, and get what you pay for. Still, there as some things a whore won't do for money...
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CynicalConservative Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:20pm |
re: #311 Charles
I've done that lots of times, but I don't want to advertise it and make a whole lot of work for myself.
Ummm, You just did...
//#17?
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:28pm |
What would you say identifies a person that asks for seconds at dinner - but has a whole heap of food left over from "firsts"? In fact 1/2 the plate still piled high with food? (Remember we still haven't spent the second 1/2 of the first rescue bill.)
Pig! This bill is Political Gluttony pure and simple.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:29pm |
re: #313 jcm
A trillion here a a trillion there pretty soon we're talking real money.
Glad I insisted all foreign aid to Kragaristan be paid with gold and other material assets.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:30pm |
re: #304 Charles
$7.5 billion is chump change in the scope of this bill.
It's still unwelcome. Every wasted government dollar comes out our pockets. I know you know this, Charles. I'm saying it to get it said, not trying to upbraid you.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:42pm |
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Dolphin Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:46pm |
re: #311 Charles
I've done that lots of times, but I don't want to advertise it and make a whole lot of work for myself.
And yet, you have gone and done it! Hope you didn't do yourself in! LOL.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:55pm |
re: #301 FrogMarch
Stimulus Update: Senate Bill $7.5 billion Higher Than House Version
Senate spending whores
/reportedly, they scrubbed out all the House pork, STDs, money for ACORN, mini golf courses, etc . . . we'll see
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:03:57pm |
re: #298 smokefire
I need help. I just designed a Remember the Cole sign, and would like to get it to LGF. It is a Microsoft word. Can anyone help me?
Nic is email blue send it over.....
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:07pm |
re: #43 CyanSnowHawk
Socialized medicine won't work for long. There is no highly advanced wealthy nation doing all the research and development for drugs that we will have to put artificial price caps on.
Sorry, but you just don't get this socialism thing.
Drug companies pare WAY back on how much they spend on new drugs, and eventually either go out of business or become puppets of the govt. People in high-paying jobs, who are working to improve the health of the entire world, are then out digging holes and filling them back in for the govt.
So it "works" just fine! Highly-paid, highly productive, self-supporting people no longer cause their neighbors to be envious of them, and they are now beholden to - and controlled by - the small group of plutocrats who run the govt.
When the lines get long, and the advancements and productivity dwindle, we say we just need to develop more stuff in govt labs, throw more money at it, and raise taxes even more. And when that produces little, we say "even more" again. So that's a "plus", too. It's an endless cycle of glorious socialism Comrade!
When people die an untimely death because of this (probably including some Lizards, here), they will say, "It was necessary - as a matter of principle!"
Not work!?! You didn't really think this was about making people healthier, did you?
/ And remember! It's NOT "socialism" unless The One CALLS IT "socialism"! Our fellow citizens VOTED FOR this! Welcome to the new America.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:14pm |
re: #309 pat
I love it. Reporters are denied access to Obama at press conferences unless their questions and answers are provided by the White House, they are relegated to the backwoods, and physically restrained from approaching the Messiah or his staff, all Obama's people must go through the commissar before talking to the public, and they are roughed up ([Link: www.politico.com...] and they still kiss his ass like he has some deep thoughts. When does it occurr to them that they are fools?
The page has moved or cannot be found.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:19pm |
re: #313 jcm
A trillion here a a trillion there pretty soon we're talking real money.
Nancy Peolsi meant cotillion.
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:30pm |
re: #304 Charles
$7.5 billion is chump change in the scope of this bill.
True. But after all the bitching from the House about what a horrible package it was - the number wasn't trimmed, it was instead expanded. /Such discipline in action.
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:36pm |
I wonder how the markets will react come Monday?
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:04:48pm |
re: #298 smokefire
I need help. I just designed a Remember the Cole sign, and would like to get it to LGF. It is a Microsoft word. Can anyone help me?
You did design work in word, um, wow this is a 1st.
Do you have any graphics software at all?
I will help if I can.
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mean Gene Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:05:14pm |
re: #330 irish rose
I wonder how the markets will react come Monday?
What markets?
Who will be investing?
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:05:19pm |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
It's still unwelcome. Every wasted government dollar comes out our pockets. I know you know this, Charles. I'm saying it to get it said, not trying to upbraid you.
Walter Williams said it's like taking water from the deep end of the pool to add water to the shallow end. DUH!
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pat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:05:31pm |
re: #316 wolfie
Well, when they're taxing tobacco to discourage its use, they understand that use will go down. When they're taxing tobacco to fund an expensive health program, suddenly they assume use will stay the same and the money will roll in.
I guess they "understand" only what they want to understand for the purposes of the moment!.........and work, savings, etc. is not a part of their purpose.
Harry Reid has a special math he uses that no one else understands. Two sets of books. Pelosi don't need no stinkin math.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:05:32pm |
re: #313 jcm
A trillion here a a trillion there pretty soon we're talking real money.
/even Republicans were originally talking around $650B
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:05:57pm |
re: #286 Charles
The 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth is coming up. I know it's a really unpopular opinion on the right, but I think the 200th anniversary of the birth of one of history's greatest scientific pioneers is important.
Me, too. I was one who didn't necessarily agree with you at first, but over time here have come to realize that the scientific evidence is hard to refute. I fall into the Lao Stinky camp.
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wiffersnapper Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:00pm |
Next on the list: Creating the North American Union.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:29pm |
re: #21 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I'd call them a bunch of whores, but whores actually do something useful.
With whores you get what you paid for....with Congress they rape our wallets and still screw us.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:31pm |
re: #271 Killian Bundy
Look, I said the Eagles would beat the Arizona and that the spread should have opened in double digits for the Super Bowl.
/I never said the Steelers would crush the Cardinals
my bad....you said the line should be at least -10....from that I assumed you meant 12, 13, or 17 pts....it was implied...everybody laughed at me when I said repeatedly said the Cards could win it....could...it's over now
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Capitalistincharge Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:32pm |
re: #172 ayatollah ghilmeini
Thank you for that. I have been struggling with the final commitment to open a second location for my retail operation. It's a great opportunity but, I've been a little hesitant. I've been beating my head against the wall for the past couple of days because I have to have my decision on Monday. Fear holds us back from success. Screw the economic fear monsters, I'm in....I've decided. You wrote exactly what I needed to hear.
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HelloDare Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:40pm |
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:41pm |
re: #269 IslandLibertarian
They are all on the record as supporting giving ID equal time with evolution in public schools.
link? footnote? reference?
Look man, when I hear someone say something on television, that's it. They said it. I heard it. I heard Glenn Beck mocking evolutionary theory as fraud just the other day on his radio show. Before that, I didn't know he was an IDiot, I just knew he was a general run-of-the-mill hysterical idiot. You want to argue that Ben Stein isn't a creationist? Laura Ingram has argued for ID while filling in for O'Reilly previously. Believe what you want but I don't see the profit in chasing down a bunch of links for something that isn't even seriously in doubt for someone who probably isn't interested in the truth, anyway.
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Kragar Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:06:41pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:07:02pm |
Does any one know who the dirty dog Republicans were that rolled on this?
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:07:24pm |
re: #335 Killian Bundy
/even Republicans were originally talking around $650B
[deleted] [deleted]
Look at the difference between parties.
$300 billion!
*spit*
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freedomplow Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:07:37pm |
Anybody know how to copy or embed this video?
Nouri al Maliki wins by a landslide, crushing Shiite religious parties.
It was on ABC yesterday and it needs more exposure.
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logboy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:07:46pm |
re: #259 Charles
I've noticed that when I don't announce open registration, we get a lot fewer hatchlings. It's been open all day, and only 29 so far.
Two of them were previously banned. One of these previously banned users told me to block his account, he was sick and tired of my obsession with evolution, and it was time to move on. Gotta love it.
I'm leaving both of these accounts open, but this is a heads-up to them -- you're not fooling me.
I say you turn it into an LGF gameshow. Let them in. The first person to correctly identify who they are based on their comments wins an LGF T-shirt. Or dinner for two. Or a Senate Seat in Illinois. Whatever you choose Charles.
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pat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:00pm |
re: #327 MandyManners
Interesting. That story was about a reporter for The Congressional Daily who tried to ask a question to Paneta and was roughed up by unknown people surrounding Paneta. A first in Congress.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:00pm |
re: #330 irish rose
I wonder how the markets will react come Monday?
Probably to the upside.
/it's been advertised as bank bailout announcement day again
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Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:05pm |
re: #258 Sifty
How come every time I see Specter crawl out of his rathole it's to vote with Democrats? Do they have they only key to his crypt or something?
Arlen Specter has an interesting background, for example he's the individual responsible for the JFK assassination SINGLE-BULLET THEORY.
The single bullet theory was created by Warren Commission attorney Alen Specter to account for the three shots admitted to by the Commission and the seven wounds to President Kennedy and Govenor Connally. Several Commissioners went on record that they didn't believe in the SBT but evidently didn't understand its importance to the Lone Nut conclusion.
Wouldn't it be fun to put HIM on a lie-detector?
.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:06pm |
re: #345 DistantThunder
Does any one know who the dirty dog Republicans were that rolled on this?
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins.
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:27pm |
Anyone know if they still have the American Content crap in this bill? Or any details on exactly what they mean by 43% of the bill is tax cuts?
It's really time to get these power-hunger scum out of office and out of our wallets.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:41pm |
re: #349 pat
Interesting. That story was about a reporter for The Congressional Daily who tried to ask a question to Paneta and was roughed up by unknown people surrounding Paneta. A first in Congress.
Are you sure you had the correct link?
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:08:45pm |
re: #322 DistantThunder
My avatar.
Well written. Hard to tell whether you're conservative or liberal, which is the way all articles should be.
That the article is on Breitbart is a hint, but only that.
Good job!
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:09:16pm |
re: #348 logboy
I say you turn it into an LGF gameshow. Let them in. The first person to correctly identify who they are based on their comments wins an LGF T-shirt. Or dinner for two. Or a Senate Seat in Illinois. Whatever you choose Charles.
... a trip for two to Aruba? Count me in.
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:10:08pm |
re: #352 MandyManners
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it could not have passed without them.
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karmic_inquisitor Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:10:22pm |
1 year ago everyone was wondering if their town would get free wifi.
Now everyone is expecting their town is going to get a free refi.
CHANGE!
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gregg Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:10:56pm |
re: #354 MandyManners
Are you sure you had the correct link?
Here it is:
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:10:59pm |
re: #340 albusteve
my bad....you said the line should be at least -10....from that I assumed you meant 12, 13, or 17 pts....it was implied...everybody laughed at me when I said repeatedly said the Cards could win it....could...it's over now
If it would have a regular season game the line would have been at least Steelers -10.
/Vegas gets all PC with their Super Bowl lines, IMO
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:11:04pm |
re: #352 MandyManners
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins.
Spector's phone mailbox is filled as of an hour ago . . . . , I'm gonna visit with Mr. Spector next week!
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:11:23pm |
re: #358 irish rose
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it could not have passed without them.
59 Democrats, 2 Republicans.
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Typicalwhitey Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:11:37pm |
re: #358 irish rose
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it could not have passed without them.
You are correct.
And their voicemail boxes are FULL.
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Sharmuta Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:11:58pm |
re: #360 gringo69
We are not liberals or anarchists. We will continue to abide by the law.
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committed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:12:12pm |
Shouldn't this package contain just those things that will actually stimulate the economy? What is wrong with these people?
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:12:18pm |
re: #365 Typicalwhitey
You are correct.
And their voicemail boxes are FULL.
I'll bet they damned well are...
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:12:29pm |
re: #365 Typicalwhitey
You are correct.
And their voicemail boxes are FULL.
Has this actually passed, or is it still on the floor?
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:12:44pm |
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Digital Display Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:12:45pm |
re: #311 Charles
I've done that lots of times, but I don't want to advertise it and make a whole lot of work for myself.
LOL Thanks Charles..Oh yea...If you ever get anybody registering as a Mrs.Hoops..I would just reject in out right...
*wink*
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:13:04pm |
re: #363 outsidephilly
Spector's phone mailbox is filled as of an hour ago . . . . , I'm gonna visit with Mr. Spector next week!
Have fun!
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:13:07pm |
re: #172 ayatollah ghilmeini
A different perspective
Folks, I have some problems with this turd of a bill. It is bad. It will not do much.
That said, I am somewhat relieved it passed in the same way I felt some relief when the bailout turd came out.
We are in a deep recession, throwing 600k/mo. into unemployment. The bank bailout, bad as it was, prevented the banking system from completely imploding. It saved 10 million people from losing their homes jobs and worse.
As the folks in opposition, it is vital to let the dems hang themselves. This recession may last to 2012 even longer. The Golden Child may be a one term wonder with kind of leadership he has so far exhibited. While I would have preferred deep tax cuts and credits for job creation by private enterprise and liberalized rules on smaller sized companies going public (nothing stimulates the economy and pays taxe revenues like and IPO), but right now, the challenges are stemming the bleeding, getting banks bank on their feet and restoring investor and consumer confidence. Anyone not worried by current circumstances should be.
I talk to very smart people who handle bank workouts and M&A, there are hundreds of thousands of businesses out there hanging on by their fingernails and in deep risk of going under. If you love your country buy an American car today! Can't afford a car, take a romantic weekend or the kids someplace fun.
Everyone is pulling back, hunkering down, filled with uncertainty and worry. To hell with that. If its all going under, we will all go with it so pick up your heads America and proudly declare- he who dies with the most toys, wins! As members of the right we need to celebrate the idea that we will not let this leftist idiot and Kossacks prevent us from living life to its fullest. We are going to have to work harder and to enjoy the same quality of life over the next four years so dang it that means we have to PARTY harder.
Ignore the gloom and doom and live! We are free, our nation is still the wonder of the world and the COUTUS (Community Organizer of the United States), he too shall pass.
I am sick and tired of the negativism, whining and mean-spiritedness. For the next four years, Barack owns this mess and he will make the business case for our way of thinking for another generation in the same way Carter gave us 28 years of conservatives and conservative Democrats.
I am working harder than ever. I am working on two new companies and the prospects for both of them are excellent. One of the businesses has me in the ironic role of making money from building things lefties like; demand is never wrong!
By the way, oil is under $40 and there are great deals on SUVs.
I disagree. I feel cheated on. I feel betrayed by politicians and elites that knew they were creating a doomsday machine.
We worked hard and followed the rules - they did not.
We built wealth through sweat equity - they did not.
We believe in the principles of rational expectations for the economy - they tell us to go deeper into debt.
They can't stab me in the back if I refuse to turn my back to them.
I refuse to get on my knees to them by going further into debt.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:13:34pm |
This is all going to get amazingly ugly faster than anyone can imagine.
The variables:
...loans from China?
...printing money?
...Inflation? Hyperinflation?
...Nationalization of industries?
...another package mere months from now when Obama gets on the "end of times" schtick again when the earth doesn't spit forward unicorns and skittles.
We're toast.
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:13:50pm |
re: #366 Sharmuta
We are not liberals or anarchists. We will continue to abide by the law.
Well, I'm ready to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances. We just need about 10,000 people to make it hard to ignore.
I'll leave the pitchfork at home, too.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:13:52pm |
re: #360 gringo69
What in the world?! We're a civlized people.
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:15pm |
re: #357 Iron Fist
Sounds very cool. You have pics at all? My first Maiden tat was first Maiden album. My sons think it's cool and are thinking to carry on that "tradition", and, wonder of wonders, their mother doesn't like the idea.
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Killian Bundy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:20pm |
re: #359 karmic_inquisitor
1 year ago everyone was wondering if their town would get free wifi.
Now everyone is expecting their town is going to get a free refi.
CHANGE!
They tried it in Minneapolis.
/the service sucked and cost way more than they thought it would, so they gave up on it
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:25pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:25pm |
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committed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:32pm |
Brand new government spending. What you want to bet this spending will become a permanent part of the budget while the tax cuts will expire next year this time?
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:42pm |
re: #362 Killian Bundy
If it would have a regular season game the line would have been at least Steelers -10.
/Vegas gets all PC with their Super Bowl lines, IMO
Vegas has to consider the house...I had 21pts over two bets and cleaned up...pass the Red Stripe
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:14:59pm |
re: #376 van helsing
Well, I'm ready to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances. We just need about 10,000 people to make it hard to ignore.
I'll leave the pitchfork at home, too.
Can I bring my torch? Pleeeeeeeeeze?
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:17pm |
re: #98 ciaospirit
There's just no excuse for not seeing this stuff coming! How do socialists live with themselves?
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:28pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:30pm |
re: #343 Salem
Once again, Salem, I think you are arguing that we cannot work with creationists. I answer that we must; Otherwise we just don't have the number we need to win. We should not yeild an inch on the matter of evolution and on that issue we should denounce Ben Stein's wrong-headed opinions. However, much of what Stein said tonight about the porkilus bill was right on. Should we still not work with him to get that bill modified or defeated? To win, we need a coalition and that means we work with the people who will work with us and share many of our values.
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:47pm |
I just spoke with philly's channel 29 news department. I suggested they send out a reporter or two to philly's republican suburbs to speak with the American citizens who voted for Senator Spector. The person answering the phone said that the stations reporters were already out on other assignments - UGH!
I'm heading to DC next week - time for a meet and greet with Mr. Spector!
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:49pm |
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jwb7605 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:52pm |
re: #382 FrogMarch
I think she'll vote "yes" anyway.
There seems to be serious, serious pressure on the Dems.
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HelloDare Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:55pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:15:57pm |
re: #382 FrogMarch
I saw her say this that she wants to reserve the right to vote against it if she thinks it won't work- hahahaha.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:16:06pm |
re: #391 outsidephilly
I just spoke with philly's channel 29 news department. I suggested they send out a reporter or two to philly's republican suburbs to speak with the American citizens who voted for Senator Spector. The person answering the phone said that the stations reporters were already out on other assignments - UGH!
I'm heading to DC next week - time for a meet and greet with Mr. Spector!
Good luck.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:16:38pm |
re: #387 Optimizer
There's just no excuse for not seeing this stuff coming! How do socialists live with themselves?
simple...the electorate is stupid
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:04pm |
re: #377 MandyManners
What in the world?! We're a civlized people.
We are? Does this mean I have to but my pants back on, again?
/
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:14pm |
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:17pm |
re: #311 Charles
I've done that lots of times, but I don't want to advertise it and make a whole lot of work for myself.
Did Dissident Frogman ever manage to register? He was complaining that open registration was always in the middle of the night (French time).
He hasn't posted since October, curiously. I wonder what's up.
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irishlass Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:38pm |
What a surprise! NPR reported this morning that earmarks are good. Every stimulus bill should have tons!
Silly us!
//
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:44pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:46pm |
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Killgore Trout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:17:48pm |
re: #400 MandyManners
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't seen it in ages.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:01pm |
re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth
We are? Does this mean I have to but my pants back on, again?
/
And take that underwear off your head. This is not the time for fun.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:10pm |
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sleepyone Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:11pm |
I guess I will file for bankruptcy next week so I don't have to pay my debts. And Obama will pay my mortgage too! Why produce when I can suckle at Lady Liberty's teat?
Hooray!
//do I need it?
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:24pm |
re: #397 Iron Fist
Like I said earlier (this thread? Anyway sometime today) they'll get just enough RINO votes that they can claim it is a "bipartisan" effort. Which will become a Republican effort if it fails, or a Democrat-led bill if it succeeds.
How can it be really bipartisan if only two Republicans vote for it?
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thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:26pm |
Thank, God I'm pretty well lit right now or I'd have to buy a new laptop after reading that. Hmmmm...maybe I'll switch to Bourbon now.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:42pm |
re: #401 Slumbering Behemoth
We are? Does this mean I have to but my pants back on, again?
/
Boxers or briefs?
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:18:48pm |
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:19:38pm |
re: #412 MandyManners
How can it be really bipartisan if only two Republicans vote for it?
And what if those two are drummed out of the party? It would send a strong signal to other Republicans. Imagine if they didn't budge.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:19:42pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:19:43pm |
re: #406 FurryOldGuyJeans
Them Rs certainly are not Conservatives.
Their photographs should be in the Dictionary next to the word "RINO".
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:19:48pm |
re: #364 MandyManners
59 Democrats, 2 Republicans.
No, its 58 Dems (one of Minnesota's seats still vacant) and three RINOS: Snowe, Collins and Specter.
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:19:59pm |
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:20:06pm |
re: #414 Racer X
I need whiskey. Preferably bourbon.
get a book and make your own...toilet paper too
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:20:07pm |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't seen it in ages.
I thought some of us might need some humor.
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gregg Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:20:17pm |
One possible scenario: Issuing that much debt will scare investors (China in particular), so they will demand higher rates for the higher risks, which will drive up mortgage rates, which will mean less people can buy homes and more people will default, which will mean deep do-do.
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:20:36pm |
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:20:58pm |
re: #394 HelloDare
re: #382 FrogMarch
Liberal Sen. Dianne Feinstein Doubts Stimulus Will WorkBecause she doesn't think tax cuts will work in this economy.
Senator Feinstein doesn't think tax cuts work, ever. It's a Keynesian zero-sum game, donchya know.
:^þ
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:05pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
No, its 58 Dems (one of Minnesota's seats still vacant) and three RINOS: Snowe, Collins and Specter.
Meaning if our people held the line, we would have stopped this abomination.
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Racer X Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:16pm |
re: #425 albusteve
get a book and make your own...toilet paper too
I got about 2 gallons of homebrew left in the fridge outside. I need something harder right about now.
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thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:17pm |
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committed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:18pm |
re: #429 gregg
One possible scenario: Issuing that much debt will scare investors (China in particular), so they will demand higher rates for the higher risks, which will drive up mortgage rates, which will mean less people can buy homes and more people will default, which will mean deep do-do.
We're screwed either way.....
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:20pm |
re: #409 DistantThunder
And take that underwear off your head. This is not the time for fun.
The only reason their on my head is 'cuz they ain't mine, and I'm hoping someone will claim them. Sorta like the whole glass slipper thing.
/now if I could just find the gal whose butt fits this thong...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:22pm |
I certainly was not surprised to hear that a compromise had been reached this Friday evening. The stock market is closed, the weekend looms so the FMSM has days to spin this as positive. 60 people have just voted for socialism for 300+ million.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:27pm |
Political Gluttony - Should be one of the mortal sins.
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rawmuse Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:28pm |
I am so glad it was mostly young people voting for Obama. They are the ones that will have to pay for all this.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:28pm |
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:21:38pm |
re: #368 ploome hineni
From that story, about Barack's stepmother:
After our bingo session we return to Mrs O's little bungalow. Her home is warm and cosy, but there's mould on the bathroom and kitchen walls.'I've phoned the council, but they haven't done anything about it,' she says. 'It's a mess.'
Sometimes you need to give these lazy town hall bureaucrats a push. In these cases, it can help if she knows someone with a bit of clout, someone with connections, who could get on the case for her...
When I get mold, I clean it up.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:14pm |
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:25pm |
re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth
The only reason their on my head is 'cuz they ain't mine, and I'm hoping someone will claim them. Sorta like the whole glass slipper thing.
/now if I could just find the gal whose butt fits this thong...
I've been looking everywhere for that, gimmee.
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committed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:29pm |
Where is the line to toss shoes at these bozos and their dear leader?
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:29pm |
re: #420 DistantThunder
And what if those two are drummed out of the party? It would send a strong signal to other Republicans. Imagine if they didn't budge.
How can they be drummed out?
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:34pm |
re: #439 FurryOldGuyJeans
I certainly was not surprised to hear that a compromise had been reached this Friday evening. The stock market is closed, the weekend looms so the FMSM has days to spin this as positive. 60 people have just voted for socialism for 300+ million.
The Bee has stung, now comes the allergic reaction.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:42pm |
re: #404 irishlass
What a surprise! NPR reported this morning that earmarks are good. Every stimulus bill should have tons!
Silly us!
//
Earmarks and pork are bad only when there was a Republican majority. Now that Dems are in the majority ballooning deficits and increased government spending is good.
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albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:43pm |
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:22:53pm |
re: #423 Dark_Falcon
No, its 58 Dems (one of Minnesota's seats still vacant) and three RINOS: Snowe, Collins and Specter.
Olympia? Good gravy.
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HelloDare Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:23:09pm |
Obama thanks Crist for support of stimulus plan
The push for stimulus money has put Florida's GOP governor and U.S. senator at odds.
By LESLEY CLARK AND LUCY MORGAN
Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau
WASHINGTON -- The White House on Tuesday amped up the pressure to speedily pass a giant economic-stimulus package, with President Barack Obama dialing three Republican governors -- including Florida's Charlie Crist -- to thank them for backing the measure.
But even as Obama spoke with Crist -- along with Govs. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and M. Jodi Rell of Connecticut -- Republican senators, including Florida's Mel Martinez, rolled out an alternative plan that narrows spending and focuses on tax breaks.
Crist was one of 19 governors -- four Republicans and 15 Democrats -- to sign a letter urging passage of Obama's stimulus package. The president called the governor over the lunch hour to thank him.
''He wanted help with the stimulus package,'' Crist said.
Crist, who has lobbied the Florida delegation on the issue, said he would do all he could to see that the state gets its fair share.
''I'm happy to help,'' Crist added.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:23:11pm |
re: #441 rawmuse
I am so glad it was mostly young people voting for Obama. They are the ones that will have to pay for all this.
Only the Republican little people - seem the libs don't like paying their fair share.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:23:33pm |
re: #434 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Meaning if our people held the line, we would have stopped this abomination.
Correct. I think that I'm going to call my sister (She lives in Reading, Pa) and get her to call Specter's office. Maybe some negative constituent reaction will get him to reconsider (he's up for re-election next year).
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:23:40pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:23:40pm |
re: #415 MandyManners
Boxers or briefs?
Whatever you like, I'll wear it.
/
Actually it's boxers for everyday, briefs for exercising.
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:00pm |
re: #433 Spiny Norman
Senator Feinstein doesn't think tax cuts work, ever. It's a Keynesian zero-sum game, donchya know.
:^þ
You know, it slays me when gubmint goobers don't think tax cuts. You take a situation where people are concerned about the economy and let them keep more of their money to spend as they need, AND THAT WON'T STIMULATE THE ECONOMY?
The only people that don't get as much to spend are the gubmint goobers -
Oh.
I just got it.
Nevermind...
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:01pm |
Well, its after 9pm here, looks like I'll have my morning coffee and donut with my local Republican Chairman tomorrow morning.
Wonder what we'll talk about. . . . .
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:01pm |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
Once again, Salem, I think you are arguing that we cannot work with creationists. I answer that we must; Otherwise we just don't have the number we need to win. We should not yeild an inch on the matter of evolution and on that issue we should denounce Ben Stein's wrong-headed opinions. However, much of what Stein said tonight about the porkilus bill was right on. Should we still not work with him to get that bill modified or defeated? To win, we need a coalition and that means we work with the people who will work with us and share many of our values.
No, I think he's poison. Any coalition with flat-earthers isn't worth the paper it's written on, as far as I'm concerned.
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sleepyone Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:07pm |
re: #352 MandyManners
Arlen Specter and Susan Collins.
I sent Collins (my senator) an email about this bill the other day. She was on the local radio programs talking big about opposing this as it was (then) written. I guess I'll have to send her another one reminding her that it is we the people that she works for. Who am I kidding? ... she doesn't listen to the folks.
I must admit that while she is a terrible conservative the alternative up here would be horrible in this lefty winter wonderland.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:22pm |
re: #441 rawmuse
I am so glad it was mostly young people voting for Obama. They are the ones that will have to pay for all this.
The Kid didn't vote but, his generation will pay for it. So will his kid's generation.
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:24:36pm |
re: #442 MandyManners
Fuck Al Gore.
I think I will pass on that, unless we get to use your torch.
:}
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Racer X Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:03pm |
"I told you so" is going to sound really hollow in about 2 years.
We're Focked.
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:13pm |
re: #449 DistantThunder
The Bee has stung, now comes the allergic reaction.
The problem is that any corrective medicine is two years away. By then the allergic reaction may well have proved fatal to America.
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outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:23pm |
re: #462 sleepyone
I sent Collins (my senator) an email about this bill the other day. She was on the local radio programs talking big about opposing this as it was (then) written. I guess I'll have to send her another one reminding her that it is we the people that she works for. Who am I kidding? ... she doesn't listen to the folks.
I must admit that while she is a terrible conservative the alternative up here would be horrible in this lefty winter wonderland.
I'll be chatting with Mr. Spector about his vote, also!
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rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:27pm |
re: #446 Iron Fist
Agreed. Very wrong. The boys won't get theirs until they are 18. I wouldn't stand for it. Plus I would get beat up by a girl...their mom. Who is very tough but still...wouldn't look good for me.
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:28pm |
re: #455 Dark_Falcon
Correct. I think that I'm going to call my sister (She lives in Reading, Pa) and get her to call Specter's office. Maybe some negative constituent reaction will get him to reconsider (he's up for re-election next year).
Get on it... the freaking vote hasn't happened yet. These people need an earful.
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ciaospirit Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:29pm |
re: #387 Optimizer
There's just no excuse for not seeing this stuff coming! How do socialists live with themselves?
I work with a lot of educated higher level Japanese and they tell me that if it's something serious, they want American medical care. I'm also told that Japan has a law that forbids anyone under 16 from having a heart transplant. And, yes, they let them die. Unless they raise enough money to come to America.
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Sarge1984 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:31pm |
re: #456 Spiny Norman
I'm hoping the cliche holds true: "This, too, shall pass."
I'm just not looking forward to 2 years of constipation.
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:34pm |
re: #459 van helsing
You know, it slays me when gubmint goobers don't think tax cuts. You take a situation where people are concerned about the economy and let them keep more of their money to spend as they need, AND THAT WON'T STIMULATE THE ECONOMY?
The only people that don't get as much to spend are the gubmint goobers -
Oh.
I just got it.
Nevermind...
No, it's much deeper than that. To the Democrats, IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY!
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:46pm |
re: #461 Salem
No, I think he's poison. Any coalition with flat-earthers isn't worth the paper it's written on, as far as I'm concerned.
I'm sorry sir, but I cannot agree. We will have to disagree on this matter.
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wolfie Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:57pm |
re: #443 reine.de.tout
You racist, capitalist, hegemonist running dog!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:58pm |
re: #445 irish rose
I've been looking everywhere for that, gimmee.
Not so fast, I gotta see ya fit into 'em first.
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Sharmuta Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:25:59pm |
As if this joyous news was not enough:
Obama considering Iraq withdrawal options
The White House is considering at least two troop withdrawal options as it weighs a new Iraq strategy — one that would preserve President Barack Obama's campaign pledge to get all combat brigades out within 16 months and a second that would stretch it to 23 months, two officials said Friday.
A third, in-between option of 19 months is also being weighed, according to the officials, neither of whom would discuss the sensitive topic without being granted anonymity. One of the officials said the main focus appears to be on the 16-month and 23-month options; 23 months would run to the end of 2010.
0bama hates the Iraqis.
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reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:17pm |
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:25pm |
So, anyone here who still thinks that John McCain wasn't conservative enough?
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:27pm |
Check out the new thread. AQ Khan has been released.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:36pm |
re: #453 HelloDare
Obama thanks Crist for support of stimulus plan
The push for stimulus money has put Florida's GOP governor and U.S. senator at odds.
By LESLEY CLARK AND LUCY MORGAN
Herald/Times Tallahassee BureauWASHINGTON -- The White House on Tuesday amped up the pressure to speedily pass a giant economic-stimulus package, with President Barack Obama dialing three Republican governors -- including Florida's Charlie Crist -- to thank them for backing the measure.
But even as Obama spoke with Crist -- along with Govs. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California and M. Jodi Rell of Connecticut -- Republican senators, including Florida's Mel Martinez, rolled out an alternative plan that narrows spending and focuses on tax breaks.
Crist was one of 19 governors -- four Republicans and 15 Democrats -- to sign a letter urging passage of Obama's stimulus package. The president called the governor over the lunch hour to thank him.
''He wanted help with the stimulus package,'' Crist said.
Crist, who has lobbied the Florida delegation on the issue, said he would do all he could to see that the state gets its fair share.
''I'm happy to help,'' Crist added.
Do you know where I can find a list of the governors who supported it?
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:37pm |
re: #465 Racer X
"I told you so" is going to sound really hollow in about 2 years.
We're Focked.
Don't wait... start now.
We've had a three ring circus for two weeks now. Proof enough for me.
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:39pm |
re: #471 Sarge1984
I'm hoping the cliche holds true: "This, too, shall pass."
I'm just not looking forward to 2 years of constipation.
More like kidney stones.
(Had them more than once... )
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:26:41pm |
re: #441 rawmuse
I am so glad it was mostly young people voting for Obama. They are the ones that will have to pay for all this.
By the time those young people leech the life form all the other hosts they will have bred a new generation to push the bill onto.
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MandyManners Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:27:07pm |
re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth
Whatever you like, I'll wear it.
/Actually it's boxers for everyday, briefs for exercising.
As long as it's not thongs, you'll be fine
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thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:27:24pm |
re: #478 irish rose
So, anyone here who still thinks that John McCain wasn't conservative enough?
I don't think he was, but he's better than this
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irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:27:25pm |
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Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:27:29pm |
re: #471 Sarge1984
I'm hoping the cliche holds true: "This, too, shall pass."
I'm just not looking forward to 2 years of constipation.
It's gonna take a century to get rid of this budget.
/That's assuming it is even possible. Ever.
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:27:52pm |
re: #194 Iron Fist
Oh, no, he isn't doing this out of ignorance. He knows exactly what he is doing. The best case scenario is that he just doesn't care, that he's doing this shit to stick a thumb in America's collective eye, as it were.
The other possibility is that he knows what he is doing, and it is going to get him exactly what he wants. That is a truly frightening prospect...
I'm afraid there is absolutely no doubt that it is the latter.
| 490 |
DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:28:05pm |
Really, isn't this financial rape - we don't want to give it but it is taken from us anyway?
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:28:13pm |
re: #476 Sharmuta
As if this joyous news was not enough:
Obama considering Iraq withdrawal options
0bama hates the Iraqis.
I am not so sure he is fond of Americans...
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:28:37pm |
re: #483 FurryOldGuyJeans
By the time those young people leech the life
formfrom all the other hosts they will have bred a new generation to push the bill onto.
*sigh* PIMF.
| 494 |
albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:28:45pm |
re: #484 MandyManners
As long as it's not thongs, you'll be fine
I wear my Speedo in the tub and pretend people are watching me....
| 495 |
thefallingman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:29:13pm |
We can handle this. Fannie Mae buys bad mortgages, right?
| 496 |
Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:29:15pm |
| 497 |
DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:29:53pm |
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FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:30:00pm |
re: #490 DistantThunder
Really, isn't this financial rape - we don't want to give it but it is taken from us anyway?
60 people have just legislated that essentially you no longer own anything, only the government does that.
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irishlass Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:30:01pm |
re: #450 FurryOldGuyJeans
Earmarks and pork are bad only when there was a Republican majority. Now that Dems are in the majority ballooning deficits and increased government spending is good.
Ahhhh!
| 501 |
Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:30:23pm |
re: #478 irish rose
So, anyone here who still thinks that John McCain wasn't conservative enough?
From Hot Air quotes:
“This is not bi-partisan, this is two Republican Senators that decided to meet with Democrats behind closed doors.”- John McCain
Unless he suddenly switched over in the last few minutes and is now voting for Porkzilla, I don't see what the problem is.
| 502 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:30:25pm |
re: #484 MandyManners
As long as it's not thongs, you'll be fine
Nope, those are for head wear, apparently.
| 505 |
Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:31:16pm |
re: #490 DistantThunder
Really, isn't this financial rape - we don't want to give it but it is taken from us anyway?
I call it theft.
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sleepyone Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:31:40pm |
re: #420 DistantThunder
And what if those two are drummed out of the party? It would send a strong signal to other Republicans. Imagine if they didn't budge.
I gotta say that if a genuine conservative challenged either Collins or Snowe here in Maine and actually won the primary they would lose in a landslide in the general election. Unfortunately this state has become a crazy left majority. The only counties that swing republican are the sparsely populated ones up north. The dense (relatively speaking) Cumberland county is overwhelmingly Democrat, and kook left at that. I think the only reason Snowe and Collins keep getting re-elected is that they have been around so long and they aren't too offensive to the local Democrats.
I fear that if Collins or Snowe ever get ousted it will be by a Democrat and not an authentic conservative.
I'm not defending either of these two phonies either. Just spouting off....
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:31:47pm |
| 508 |
Perplexed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:32:01pm |
re: #266 outsidephilly
Specter was anti war during the Viet Nam War. He is not to be trusted.
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:32:18pm |
re: #501 Spiny Norman
Scratch that. Sorry irish rose, I misread your comment.
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sleepyone Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:32:34pm |
re: #467 outsidephilly
I'll be chatting with Mr. Spector about his vote, also!
I've written both Collins and Snowe so often I'm sure I'm on their "pay no mind" list.
| 513 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:32:39pm |
| 514 |
Florida Lady Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:32:42pm |
re: #453 HelloDare
This is one of many reasons why conservatives can't stand Crist.
And wow, if Shamnesty Mel opposes you by rolling out alternative plans, you must be really bad . . .
BTW, I'm been feeling like I'm gonna hurl since 2:00 this afternoon. Found out The Chosen One is coming here to SW Florida next Tuesday for a campaign stop town meeting. Blech!
I'll need 50 drinks after seeing the slobberfest that will be going on here. Every nutcase within 100 miles will be descending on Fort Myers to worship this loser.
| 515 |
Edge Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:33:10pm |
When the Pork Bill finally passes, the recession officially becomes Obama's.
| 516 |
FurryOldGuyJeans Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:33:44pm |
re: #515 Edge
When the Pork Bill finally passes, the recession officially becomes Obama's.
The FMSM will never let that happen.
| 517 |
Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:33:59pm |
re: #503 Iron Fist
I wouldn't fuck 'em with your chainsaw.
/
| 518 |
gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:34:55pm |
re: #388 jcm
Watching the United States being thrown into the crapper? Not cool!
| 519 |
albusteve Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:35:22pm |
| 520 |
FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:35:22pm |
re: #453 HelloDare
Ugh - Crist was probably hoping for those tax payer funded water parks.
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DEZes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:35:29pm |
The thread is in death throws, lets go to the new one.--------->
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Spiny Norman Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:35:51pm |
re: #508 Perplexed
Specter was anti war during the Viet Nam War. He is not to be trusted.
Arlen Spector has been the walking definition of RINO (a liberal running as Republican because he'd lose as a Democrat) for years, but now I would not be surprised if he feels confident enough now to switch Parties (especially if a Committee Chairmanship is in the offing).
| 524 |
irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:37:36pm |
re: #513 Slumbering Behemoth
How will I know they're yours, then?
Are they sheer, with a split crotch and a bit of shamrock bling?
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notutopia Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:37:43pm |
C-Span just said that Reid announced that The final Senate vote will come in a day or two.
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
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gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:38:57pm |
I'm sorry about the riot comment. How do we protest and get any results? I'm just so frustrated. Our family business is on the verge of going under and the stress is killin me. The left hates the oilfield and has made trucking holy hell. What can I do to help myself and my employees?
| 527 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:39:02pm |
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Promethea Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:41:16pm |
re: #23 Sifty
It's like all my paranoid fantasies about commies and collapse and idiots and traitors and terrorists are all coming true in two months.
Guinness, don't fail me now!
Due to some LGF poster's (I forget who, but thank you) remarks about Alger Hiss and communist infiltration in the 1930s and 1940s U.S., I just started reading Witness by Whitaker Chambers.
I was surprised to discover that Witness is a real page turner, so far, a kind of non-fiction novel, with secret identities, chase scenes, Soviet murders on the streets of U.S. cities, etc. Very very interesting. Chambers remarks in passing that the actual government of the Soviet Union was only a lesser interest of the Communist party. You probably all knew that, but think about it in today's terms--Transnational Progressives ruling a huge country by whim according to their visions of utopia and power-seeking. The Party was everything, the country was just their "base."
Now I don't want to sound like a looney here, but it's always interesting to review old material from a new perspective.
| 530 |
jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:41:31pm |
re: #518 gringo69
Watching the United States being thrown into the crapper? Not cool!
True, but this is Charles' house his rules.
Advocating rioting is against the house rules.
| 531 |
apb1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:41:38pm |
Eh -
What everyone griping about? This bill's only about $4000 bucks for every man, woman, and child in the Country ... er, wait - the bottom 40% pay nothing, so make it... hmmm... $5600 apiece for the rest...carry the 2 ...
About $22,400 for a family of 4.
Who would really want to take out a $22K loan and give it to the Congress-stooges to spend? If the douchebags gave tax cuts to those of us that pay the taxes, WE would get the ball rolling again...
What a fuckin' disgrace...
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:42:58pm |
re: #524 irish rose
Are they sheer, with a split crotch and a bit of shamrock bling?
Oh, that's what that is? Thank goodness, I was getting a bit worried.
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DistantThunder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:43:09pm |
re: #526 gringo69
I'm sorry about the riot comment. How do we protest and get any results? I'm just so frustrated. Our family business is on the verge of going under and the stress is killin me. The left hates the oilfield and has made trucking holy hell. What can I do to help myself and my employees?
Put a bumpersticker on your vehicles that says - "Democrats are killing my business."
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van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:44:18pm |
re: #534 DistantThunder
Put a bumpersticker on your vehicles that says - "Democrats are killing my business."
How about 'The Government is Stealing Our Money'?
| 537 |
sleepyone Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:44:41pm |
re: #534 DistantThunder
Put a bumpersticker on your vehicles that says - "Democrats are killing my business."
That's an awesome idea for a bumper sticker.
I already have the one with Obama's face with the sticker saying "Don't Tax Me Bro" but the wife won't let me put it on the car.
| 538 |
van helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:45:42pm |
Better! The Government is Stealing Your Children's Money!
Always better when it has children as the victims.
Which, sadly, they are...
| 539 |
jhrhv Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:45:43pm |
There's been a lot of awful stuff in the news this week but this takes the cake. What a fing terrible week. And this is only week 3. Scotty beam me up please Scotty beam the F up!
| 540 |
Dark_Falcon Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:45:49pm |
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jcm Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:45:57pm |
re: #535 gringo69
I apologized, please accept.
Good enough!
We talk about torches and pitch forks metaphorically.
How do we protest.
Email, fax and phone or congress critters.
Talk to friends.
Vote.
| 542 |
FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:46:31pm |
re: #525 notutopia
C-Span just said that Reid announced that The final Senate vote will come in a day or two.
[Link: www.c-span.org...]
The dems will back-slap each other - but this will be a hollow victory for them. The dems now own this recession - and all of this spending will do nothing to create jobs. OK - Maybe a few government union jobs- but nothing substantial - and NOTHING in the private sector - where it counts. Democrats hate the private sector.
| 543 |
gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:47:15pm |
re: #536 van helsing
Charles, possible money maker here! Open new bumper sticker department!
| 544 |
rightwinger3 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:48:17pm |
re: #528 Iron Fist
Yeah, roger that Iron Fist. Tattoo's are very addicting. I need to finish my leg "sleeves" (socks?).
| 545 |
gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:48:34pm |
re: #539 jhrhv
I am so ready for some good news i can't stand it!
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Perplexed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:48:35pm |
Things I've seen:
IGY
Cuban Missile Crisis
Kennedy being shot
Martin Luther King being shot
Kennedy being shot
War in Viet Nam
Cowards running from an ally
Nixon run out of office
Malaise of Carter
Regan fixing things
Regan being wounded
A sex addict in the White House
Numerous global crisis
Cold War ending
George Bush getting elected and thrown into the fray
Georege Bush being vilified by loons
Financial crisis
Stupid response to financial crisis
Out of all of these the one posing the greatest threat to our way of life is the last. We lag roughly 40-50 years behind the UK and right now we're in the same financial straits they were in during the 50's and 60's. We've lost our industrial base and jobs to tax and spend politicians. This is serious and if the US fails then we take down with us the rest of the world. The next big failure will probably be with the cell phone companies as they are doing what led to the financial sector failing.
| 547 |
irish rose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:48:40pm |
re: #541 jcm
Good enough!
We talk about torches and pitch forks metaphorically.
How do we protest.
Email, fax and phone or congress critters.
Talk to friends.
Vote.
Impeach.
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Edge Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:50:45pm |
re: #542 FrogMarch
The dems will back-slap each other - but this will be a hollow victory for them. The dems now own this recession - and all of this spending will do nothing to create jobs. OK - Maybe a few government union jobs- but nothing substantial - and NOTHING in the private sector - where it counts. Democrats hate the private sector.
Yep, and when Obama's PorkFest actually makes things worse, what will he do next? It's about at this point that dictators around the world start looking for ways to distract the public.
| 549 |
SteveC Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:50:50pm |
re: #547 irish rose
Impeach.
"You are speaking of Treason, Thomas."
"If this is Treason, then by God, let us make the most of it!"
| 550 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:50:54pm |
re: #387 Optimizer
There's just no excuse for not seeing this stuff coming! How do socialists live with themselves?
The same way a tapeworm lives with itself. Give it a break, it has to live, too!
(I recall an interesting paper someone had to write in college entitled INTERVIEW WITH A TAPEWORM. Their assignment was to describe a tapeworm's viewpoint on why it should be afforded the same rights to have a life, just like everyone else. It's all a matter of perspective.)
.
| 551 |
Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:51:36pm |
re: #278 Killian Bundy
/they're being threatened with a political backlash, at least in the Senate, if they bolt the party line
That's no excuse. I had hopes for my new Blue Dog Senator, and I think she just lost my vote (which was NOT already lost) forever.
| 552 |
Scion9 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:54:17pm |
re: #66 quickjustice
The GOP desperately needs new blood in the U.S. Senate.
I also have some ideas involving the GOP, the Senate and blood, but shall refrain from airing them here.
| 553 |
gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:54:26pm |
Maybe the passing of this stupid package and its inevitable failure will lock up Obama for the rest of his term. This sucks, but maybe some good will come of it?
| 554 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:54:44pm |
re: #547 irish rose
Impeach.
I think I'll catch some rays on a flat rock beside a big cactus in the desert.
| 555 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:56:28pm |
re: #438 Slumbering Behemoth
The only reason their on my head is 'cuz they ain't mine, and I'm hoping someone will claim them. Sorta like the whole glass slipper thing.
/now if I could just find the gal whose butt fits this thong...
Uhhh.... that's not a thong, it's a jock strap...
.
| 556 |
anubis_soundwave Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:56:31pm |
re: #175 traderjoe9
Nope; only $730,000,000,000 (730B). (I used 2,000 years x 365 (days in a year; I could have added the .24...except that 365 was a nice, even number) x $1M.)
Someone ought to send a bill to Congress giving each American man, woman and child $1M USD. 300M people * 1M...nah. That's $3T.
OT: On the bright side, I will get back a sizable a tax refund pre-Stinkulus. I'm in the market for a new PC; I need it for graphics programs (mainly Adobe CS3 or CS4). Though I use a Mac in my Photoshop class, I'm having a hard time keeping up with my instructor--mainly because for me (being a Windows user for around 15 years), the Mac GUI...bugs me. For example, if I highlight an object in any program running on Windows, then press the delete key, the object will either be deleted or (if a file, directory or shortcut) pop over to the Recycle Bin (the same as Mac's Trash). If I press "Delete" on a Mac...it does nothing; I have to drag it to the trash can. This and other differences between Mac's interface and Windows (at home and work) is making it difficult for me to switch between the two.
So I've opted to give Steve Ballmer a cut of my tax refund, by purchasing a PC. To LGF tech-lizards: which is the best of the Windows machines? Which company is good at building a custom machine with Windows XP? (I do not want Vista, as I suspect it may give me the same transition issues I'm having with the Mac GUI at college.)
[I've gone back to college to pursue a career in animation; Trident Technical College is my first step towards that goal.]
| 557 |
Edge Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:56:38pm |
re: #551 Optimizer
That's no excuse. I had hopes for my new Blue Dog Senator, and I think she just lost my vote (which was NOT already lost) forever.
The Blue Dogs should be called Blue Pups. They might yelp and pee the floor now-and-then, but when Obama and Pelosi show up with newspapers in hand, they roll over and show them their belly.
| 558 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:57:09pm |
re: #526 gringo69
I'm sorry about the riot comment. How do we protest and get any results? I'm just so frustrated. Our family business is on the verge of going under and the stress is killin me. The left hates the oilfield and has made trucking holy hell. What can I do to help myself and my employees?
Is that you J.R.? How's Miss Ellie?
| 560 |
Scion9 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:59:14pm |
re: #553 gringo69
Maybe the passing of this stupid package and its inevitable failure will lock up Obama for the rest of his term. This sucks, but maybe some good will come of it?
The spending of that bill will not be done until '11, so any damage caused will not be apparent until his reelection is already wrapped up. So, if the economy tanks even more between here and then, it will have nothing tangible to do with this bill, except for it terrifying investors, so the claim that the bill caused any continued crisis can be spun by Obama. If the economy takes an upturn, this bill will have nothing to do with it but Obama can claim that it did and that he came to the rescue.
I don't see anything good coming from this bill.
| 561 |
Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:59:19pm |
re: #288 irish rose
I'd congratulate you Charles, but I'm sure this is one win you wish you hadn't won.
So... how does this break down? How much is it going to cost per taxpayer?
According to Newt Gingrich, The Spendulous is equivalent to about 8 months of Federal tax revenues. I figure if I look at how much I pay in taxes on my 1040, and multiply by 2/3, I'm in the ballpark. That should be thousands of dollars for me.
| 562 |
smokefire Fri, Feb 6, 2009 6:59:42pm |
OK, I finally got this done.
I think it's pretty good. Well for me anyway.
I will take any constructive criticism. Matter of fact, I will even take destructive criticism too.
| 563 |
gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:01:12pm |
re: #558 Spare O'Lake
No J.R. or Miss Ellie here! Just some hard working people with families who are scared shiftless! We get working at 6:15 and quit when we're done.
| 564 |
Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:01:39pm |
re: #296 Jim in Virginia
The deal ain't done yet. Feinstein reserves the right to vote against the stimulus.
NRO also reports that the Dems may need Kenendy (who is recuperating in Florida) to pass the bill.
WTF? Don't tease me, man...
| 565 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:03:07pm |
re: #562 smokefire
[Link: img.photobucket.com...]
OK, I finally got this done.
I think it's pretty good. Well for me anyway.I will take any constructive criticism. Matter of fact, I will even take destructive criticism too.
Your flag is short 7 stars./
| 566 |
Hobbes Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:03:37pm |
re: #455 Dark_Falcon
Correct. I think that I'm going to call my sister (She lives in Reading, Pa) and get her to call Specter's office. Maybe some negative constituent reaction will get him to reconsider (he's up for re-election next year).
OT: I would like to respond to your comment last night.
"How would suggest we improve the party leadership? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking."
I know you weren't trying to be a jerk. You're just as frustrated as I am.
This new guy, Andrew J. McKenna Jr., who is the party chairman makes me scratch my head a little. But let's wait and see, I guess, come 2010.
My main concern is the way Democrats own the state, Republicans can only win by slowly taking a district at a time. But, what the heck, maybe if Republicans become Community Organizers like Obama did, we might win.
Takes awhile, but it seems to work!
On the lighter side: " There are good Republicans in my state,---" SIR"
I've GOT to start wearing darker lipstick while I'm here. :)
| 567 |
Van Helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:04:15pm |
re: #547 irish rose
Impeach.
Impeachment takes a crime...
How about violating their oaths of office?
I don't see s*** in there that defends and protects the Constitution, nor protect the American people.
Scum. It's well past time for real change,
| 568 |
smokefire Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:05:14pm |
| 569 |
Edouard Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:06:25pm |
The real disaster here is not the initial spending of $900BN or $780BN or whatever the hell the final number may be.
It's the creating of massive, massive new funding mandates.
Don't fool yourself that these expenditures are one-offs.
New government-created or government-dependent institutions need to be established now in order to receive and spend the lard.
We are creating a crowd of new pigs at the trough that will demand more, and more, and more funding into the future.
At a time when our country is best served economically by shrinking federal bureaucracies, we are proliferating bureaucracies like out-of-control, fast-growing kudzu.
It makes me sick to see this fast-metastasizing, virulent new cancer injected into the tissues of our beloved nation. Truly sick about it.
| 571 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:08:08pm |
re: #563 gringo69
No J.R. or Miss Ellie here! Just some hard working people with families who are scared shiftless! We get working at 6:15 and quit when we're done.
Sorry, I couldn't resist the wisecrack.
How many barrels/day are y'all pumping?
| 572 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:08:10pm |
re: #488 Optimizer
I'm afraid there is absolutely no doubt that it is the latter.
Hey, I thought we weren't going to air any conspiracy theories around here.
Whassup? Selective conspiracy theories are OK?
.
| 573 |
Van Helsing Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:10:29pm |
| 574 |
Perplexed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:12:36pm |
Here in Minnesota some companies are furloughing employees and in some cases moving out of state to other states with lower tax rates. I asked what the unions are doing to help those either laid off or furloughed and the answer was 'nothing.' So much for repaying the unions for their support.
| 575 |
Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:15:04pm |
re: #526 gringo69
I'm sorry about the riot comment. How do we protest and get any results? I'm just so frustrated. Our family business is on the verge of going under and the stress is killin me. The left hates the oilfield and has made trucking holy hell. What can I do to help myself and my employees?
Dang.
I hear you, Gringo. Wish I could say when and where the cavalry was coming from. My best wishes to you, For What It's Worth.
.
| 576 |
SFGoth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:15:32pm |
As soon as I have a chance, I'm going to drop Mr. Steele a polite note letting him know that there's soon going to be one less Republican in this country. How many electoral votes can you squeeze out of the religious right and the compassionate conservatives?
| 577 |
reine.de.tout Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:18:37pm |
re: #509 ploome hineni
lol
/I can;t say anything
What = when you get mold you call the local gov't to come clean it up?
OR,
you are pure as the driven snow and don't get mold.
| 578 |
outsidephilly Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:19:42pm |
re: #512 sleepyone
I've written both Collins and Snowe so often I'm sure I'm on their "pay no mind" list.
Nah, you're not on their 'pay no mind' list . . . , keep on contacting them, be the squeaky wheel! They'll get to recognize your name, and your communication may become, like mine, so familiar you might find you're being listened to.....
My name is easily remembered and when I go to events where PA's legislators gather, they 'sort-of' recognize my face - my hair color is always different, so that causes a, 'don't I know you' look.
I am hoping Spector will be around next week because I really want to talk to him, at this point I'll go to either office.
I want him to look at me when I express the disappointment I have for him as a human being, and as a representative of Pennsylvania.
I'll not be disrespectful as I talk. He'll see the sadness in my face, and he'll hear the sadness in my voice, and I'm sure he'll re-visit our meeting over, and over again long after we part ways.
Well, that's what I hope to do, I hope to make our words a permanent memory in his brain. I want to clearly, and tactfully, tell him that he has let many American citizens down......
| 579 |
Dancing along the light of day Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:21:42pm |
re: #222 Shr_Nfr
You might also look at some Roth conversions....
[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]
| 581 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:22:41pm |
re: #572 Tamron
Hey, I thought we weren't going to air any conspiracy theories around here.
Whassup? Selective conspiracy theories are OK?
.
Yep, as long as they don't make LGF look like a ... uh, sorry I gotta go save the darn Martians - the saucer just landed in my pool and the little green buggers can't even swim.
| 583 |
Caboose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:26:39pm |
re: #55 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Careful...
No problem, sir! I know enough to grab the end that isn't on fire and the pointy tines of the pitchfork face AWAY from me, sir. Any other instructions, SIR!
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Perplexed Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:30:19pm |
Might be a good time to send a letter containing a tea bag to our elected representatives if they voted for this crap.
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Caboose Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:31:35pm |
re: #536 van helsing
How about 'The Government is Stealing Our Money'?
"The Democrats are Stealing Our Money. Hope you can live on Change 'cuz that is ALL you will have Left in you pocket!" - a bit long for a bumpersticker, especially when we all have to drive glorified skateboards...
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Salem Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:34:04pm |
re: #200 Salem
The Fairness Doctrine is pure evil. I went too far suggesting there could ever conceivably be an upside to it, even in jest. It was foolish and never let me say that Ben Stein et al. shouldn't be free to embarrass whomever he wishes now and forever. I regret making the implication.
Of course, I would like to be able to shut up anyone fomenting violence and anarchy but the ID crowd aren't doing anything like that so far.
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gringo69 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:34:16pm |
re: #571 Spare O'Lake
No harm done! I don't know what they are pumping right now. I'm kinda on the services side of the business. I can say this howevah, production and exploration will continue to shrink while prices are bad. Reason: free underground storage! Get it ! Leave it in the ground till its worth something. There is no reason oil shouldn't be in the $80 barrel range and still let us enjoy 1.60 gal gas. We should all be working in this wonderful organic business, makin a little money, keepin jobs and all the good things! Organic? Oil is organic! When a well is stimulated, water and other stuff is pumped into it with extreme pressure, like 5000 psi. The water has bleach or peroxide in it that would turn you white. You can ruin a well with bacterial or microbial infestation! Oil is organic. Its Goya earth mothers gift to us as long as we are willing to go harvest it!
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FrogMarch Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:34:56pm |
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Sloppy Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:36:40pm |
A good friend is starting her own conservative blog and is looking to me for helpful tips. Think I'll suggest she study and mimic Charles' example in
dealing with obnoxious posters. Give 'em fair warning and if they don't shape up, block 'em.
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SFGoth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:38:32pm |
re: #579 Floral Giraffe
You might also look at some Roth conversions....
Speaking of which, when the Roth was first created, my dad told me to put money into it. I told him, no F'in' way. Long before I retire they're going to fuck with 'em. Looks like the old crystal ball was right, or so I've heard (on 1-sided scare radio ;-> )
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SFGoth Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:39:50pm |
re: #591 Sloppy
A good friend is starting her own conservative blog and is looking to me for helpful tips. Think I'll suggest she study and mimic Charles' example in
dealing with obnoxious posters. Give 'em fair warning and if they don't shape up, block 'em.
Is she cute? That does help, as shallow as it is. (Some people find Ann Coulter cute, so....)
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raregroove Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:44:33pm |
Its only going to get worse.
Pathetic, those 3 sellouts.
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:51:53pm |
re: #572 Tamron
Hey, I thought we weren't going to air any conspiracy theories around here.
Whassup? Selective conspiracy theories are OK?
.
"Conspiracy theory"? Hasn't Mr. Obama shown himself with abundant clarity at this point? What else do you want? You think he's just been lucky? You think his numerous associations with guys like Ayers was just some sort of professional accident? Where you been?
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Ayatollah Ghilmeini Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:54:42pm |
re: #374 DistantThunder
re: #341 Capitalistincharge
Couple of follow up comments- to Thunder and those who think we are doomed. We are in the minority- the steamroller is rolling on us. That is never pleasant. We know they are wrong and I understand how it rankles the heart to see these children screwing things up- well those children won, they kicked our buts and part of it was our fault. When we sat back and watched Republicans porking up bills and did nothing about it when we knew they were wrong but we were afraid to criticize them for fear of undermining Bush, we very much contributed to this mess and this is our just desserts (and I hate saying that as much as anyone else- but when you can't even be honest with yourself, then you have no hope). But I promise you, the worm will turn it always does. Obama is getting serious challenge from the New Axis powers, it is inevitable that he is going to screw up huge.
And as for your Capitalist. I can't promise you success but if you were able to grow a franchise enough to expand, you have what it takes to succeed. This is not the best time but you know your customers and your store better than I do. For retailers that keep their costs lean, you can expand in bad times. I am a third generation retailer on both sides of my family. My sincerest best wishes of good luck to you.
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 7:58:40pm |
re: #578 outsidephilly
... Well, that's what I hope to do, I hope to make our words a permanent memory in his brain. I want to clearly, and tactfully, tell him that he has let many American citizens down......
If you're still there...
Don't forget about the rest of the world. Not only does our economy have a huge effect on the rest of the world, but people look to US as the land of opportunity and freedom - and this Spendulus Bill is a significant step back from that. There's some sort of Reagan story where an immigrant from a Communist country says something like, "At least I had someplace to escape TO!"
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Cato the Elder Fri, Feb 6, 2009 8:06:38pm |
Yes, the Republicans and Democrats have magically reached a deal right at the end of the day, on a Friday, right before the weekend.Exactly as I predicted last night. Call me Little Green Nostradamus.
I'd happily call you that, Charles, but it would be an insult. Nostradamus only ever gets it right because his Latin gibberish is so vague and confusing that you can apply at least one of his verses to almost anything. Kind of like the "Bible Code".
Anyway, there's nothing like a Friday afternoon to magically clear the desks of work.
And they only gave themselves a $93K raise. Would you do overtime for chump change?
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Tamron Fri, Feb 6, 2009 8:25:20pm |
re: #595 Optimizer
"Conspiracy theory"? Hasn't Mr. Obama shown himself with abundant clarity at this point? What else do you want? You think he's just been lucky? You think his numerous associations with guys like Ayers was just some sort of professional accident? Where you been?
Where've I been? I've been forgetting to put the /sarc tag on some of my messages, that's where. You'd have trouble trumping me on any of the points that you brought up, for sure. I'm with you -- my sarcasm in that message was just an old carryover from a few past near-misses (undeserving, of course!) of the infamous "Conspiracy Theory Stinky Stick."
There are conspiracies, and then there are conspiracies. Sometimes there's only a foggy shade of gray separating them. Especially if you have a few friends who are retired Navy spooks. Truth is often stranger than fiction.
.
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MJBrutus Fri, Feb 6, 2009 8:32:41pm |
Could we please give Maine to the Canadians? With "Republicans" like Olympia and Snow we're better off without them. Aside from those two "caring, sensitive" butt heads Arlen was the only Republican in either house to vote for this historic fraud.
| 601 |
Wendya Fri, Feb 6, 2009 9:06:46pm |
I wish Collins, Snow and Specter would just go ahead and change party affiliation. Let the democrats have the axis of stupidity.
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 9:13:50pm |
re: #599 Tamron
Where've I been? I've been forgetting to put the /sarc tag on some of my messages, that's where. You'd have trouble trumping me on any of the points that you brought up, for sure. I'm with you -- my sarcasm in that message was just an old carryover from a few past near-misses (undeserving, of course!) of the infamous "Conspiracy Theory Stinky Stick."
There are conspiracies, and then there are conspiracies. Sometimes there's only a foggy shade of gray separating them. Especially if you have a few friends who are retired Navy spooks. Truth is often stranger than fiction.
.
I feel better now.
Funny, you remind me how I found myself thinking earlier today how much I'm starting to wish certain conspiracies were actually true. I can't elaborate, of course - but if you look in the dark, inappropriate part of your psyche you may find something like it there. Worrisome times.
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Outrider Fri, Feb 6, 2009 9:47:51pm |
Sens. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Susan Collins of Maine appeared to be the critical Republicans to sign onto the bill, giving Democrats the 60 votes needed to advance to a final vote. Democrats also voiced confidence that Republican Sen. Olympia Snow of Maine also would vote for the plan.
Why, oh why am I not surprised to see Specters name as one of the "Republicans" and two from Maine, to betray the needs of the country and sign off on this?
| 606 |
anti-looter Fri, Feb 6, 2009 9:54:23pm |
re: #21 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I'd call them a bunch of whores, but whores actually do something useful.
- Whores are more honorable.
Can anybody explain why maine continues to send these two traitors to the Senate, do they reall hate the US that much?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Feb 6, 2009 9:56:38pm |
That's enough out of 'gringo69'. Blocked.
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Ledger1 Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:36:40pm |
re: #439 FurryOldGuyJeans
I certainly was not surprised to hear that a compromise had been reached this Friday evening. The stock market is closed, the weekend looms so the FMSM has days to spin this as positive. 60 people have just voted for socialism for 300+ million.
I agree.
It is a well timed ambush for the markets. But, I think the bond market will figure it out and interest rates will rise and bonds will fall.
Over the long term I would expect inflation would rise. It will peak and quickly turn into horrendous deflation.
As par for the course a lot of money would be siphoned off by various 0bama lackeys. The average Joe will suffer.
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wee fury Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:39pm |
Hooray! It worked!
Umm, the tune above . . . reminds me of our politicians inability to speak except in gobblygook.
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Optimizer Fri, Feb 6, 2009 10:41:59pm |
re: #610 Ledger1
... It is a well timed ambush for the markets. But, I think the bond market will figure it out and interest rates will rise and bonds will fall.
Over the long term I would expect inflation would rise. It will peak and quickly turn into horrendous deflation. ...
Why the "horrendous deflation"?
| 613 |
Reluctant Democrat Fri, Feb 6, 2009 11:34:08pm |
Obama just spent every little bit of his political capital. This is like passing amnesty over the US public's objections.
Angry, angry, angry, Friday night or not.
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kawfytawk Sat, Feb 7, 2009 5:33:08am |
re: #613 Reluctant Democrat
Obama just spent every little bit of his political capital.
You may be right but I don't think he is bothered by that...he has thrown, by proxy, everything in this bill but the kitchen sink using the Rahm ideology of "never letting a good crisis go to waste". Obama captured most of what he wanted to do in these upcoming four years in one bill.
| 615 |
dgcosbie Sat, Feb 7, 2009 7:18:26am |
You are exactly right. This bill is literally mortgaging our children's future. We will pay a price for this insanity for decades to come.
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BigAl Sat, Feb 7, 2009 7:52:08am |
It may only get three Republican votes. The GOP didn't cave in.
The MSM will trumpet a victory for Obama, but even Biden is concerned that it will a pyrrhic win.
A trillion dollar down payment on hyper-inflation. Bad idea.
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hsmama Sat, Feb 7, 2009 8:30:44am |
Just read Specter's press release on his site about his "heartburn" from working on this mess. He is an idiot.
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Dr. Shalit Sat, Feb 7, 2009 8:50:18am |
Was tied up last night with building security. Fire Alarms went off twice. Not a good idea to cook when one is "zonked" or absent. Two different floors, two different tenants. Was not the Asbury Park FD's favorite guy for sure.
That said, here is my take on the compromise and its effects:
1. It is a CRAP SANDWICH.
2. With the "compromises" the side order is Potato - rather than POOP-TATO Chips.
3. The net effect will be an 8-12% devaluation of the US Dollar.
4. I hope/pray the net effect will NOT go beyond that.
-S-
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eaglewingz08 Sat, Feb 7, 2009 9:45:17am |
The bill is even worse than portrayed by republicans because it will set a baseline for next year's budget so that even any modest cuts in future budgets (who am I kidding-modest increases in rates of increases of future budgets) will be portrayed by the dems and the press as 'earthshaking drastic draconian cruel budget cuts'. This bill is enshrinement of socialist government with no emergency exit built in. For Spectre to say that this is the best we could get and so he has to go along is idiocy. He has been played willingly by the democraps just like Sen. Gregg has been played by Mr. Obama. Gregg is out of the Senate and can't oppose the machinations with respect to the 2010 census, and Obama has neutred Gregg so he will have nothing to do with the 2010 census. The dems have gotten, apparently the votes for the new bill (no reduced spending, it still will come in over the numbers in the House Bill) and after it's sent to Conference everything that Spectre and Collins supposedly voted against will be added back into the bill and then put in for an up or down vote. Do you really believe that Spectre and Collins would then vote against the final bill, after having pissed in the faces of their constitutents to pass it in the Senate?
So the crapola sandwich will go to Obama for signature and we will have generations mortgaged for something that will not work (See Japan's public works' projects as clear examples of bankrupt liberal ideology that failed to fix its economy for twenty years).
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ahabers Sat, Feb 7, 2009 9:59:29am |
It's time for conservatives to let Susan Collins and Arlen Specter know that if they vote for this atrocity we will all be sending A LOT of money to their next primary opponent in a country-wide effort to rid the Senate of their useless carcasses . The only thing they care about is being re-elected so the only way we may be able to stop them is to promise to support any Republican that will challenge them.
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747pilot Sat, Feb 7, 2009 3:43:50pm |
It is time to get rid of the likes of Specter and the Snow Queens (Collins and Snow), in the Republican Party. You all might send a note to the newly elected RNC chairman and tell him how upset we are with these three morons. I contacted Kyle, McConnell and the Snow queens & Specter and expressed my displeasure with their actions
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