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1 rumcrook  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:51:22pm

yes

2 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:51:25pm

Maybe for controlling an un manned drone.............

3 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:51:57pm
4 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:52:19pm

hmm, link not working in Safari or IE7. Maybe blocked?

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:52:25pm

My fault, reload...

6 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:52:38pm
7 rumcrook  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:53:11pm

re: #2 reloadingisnotahobby

well thier ya go, youve answered in the afirmative.

8 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:53:52pm

Reminds me of their piece cheerfully detailing how Harry Potter was helping children introduce themselves to the wonders of Satanism.

9 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:07pm

reloaded, now I see the initial image, video won't play though, Safari 4 or IE7

10 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:15pm

Mine no worky either.

11 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:41pm

Hmm. The Onion changed their video embed format. Will fix.

12 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:44pm

re: #7 rumcrook
My 8 year old Grandson flyies my remote chopper better
than I can!
*pimp*

13 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:47pm

re: #9 dentate

reloaded, now I see the initial image, video won't play though, Safari 4 or IE7

Moi aussi.

14 n in wi  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:54:52pm

re: #6 taxfreekiller

Need a new game:

Obama's best lie, 100,000,000 guesses.


A game like that would be out dated 1 week after it was released.

15 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:55:55pm

re: #12 reloadingisnotahobby

.....But he still holds a water pistol side ways..like a banger!
Damn!

16 oh_dude  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:56:27pm

re: #5 Charles

Charles, side-bar question...

Why does the URL of the last site we posted on the "Links" section of LGF show up in the "Web site:" field when we go to post a comment on a thread?

17 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:56:52pm

Works now. Reload.

18 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:56:55pm

Viewing it directly off the Onion site works fine. Glenn Beck has ordered 1000 copies.

19 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:57:42pm

re: #17 Charles

Works now. Reload.

"RELOADING!"

/Navy SeAL voice

20 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:57:52pm

They mention Zombie bites!

21 jamgarr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:57:54pm

I heard today that Phil Collins, Phoebe Snow and Phil Specter are going to collaborate on a new album of Mott the Hoople covers - the working title is "All The Wrong Dudes".

22 Dianna  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:58:17pm

Charles, I don't know if this is significant or not, but when I double-clicked on the video, I got redirected to some site for "long-tailed video".

It didn't open in another window, it actually over-rode LGF.

23 Occasional Reader  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:58:43pm

Still won't start for me (IE7... yes, I know, I know).

Off to the gym, anyway.

24 screaming_eagle  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:58:55pm

Is the current education system adequately preparing children?

25 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:59:00pm

biased yahoo headlines.

26 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:59:26pm

re: #12 reloadingisnotahobby

My 8 year old Grandson flyies my remote chopper better
than I can!
*pimp*

/no match for cats

27 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 2:59:27pm

72% know how to use medicine packs to heal Zombie bites....

28 solomonpanting  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:00:07pm

re: #24 screaming_eagle

Is the current education system adequately preparing children?

No, but the Violent Video Games are preparing them for school.

29 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:00:34pm

"most kids will become mutants themselves once the apocalypse hits"

Guess they haven't checked out a local high school lately.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:00:44pm

I'm always impressed by the comedic acting from the folks at the Onion. SNL should take lessons.

31 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:00:51pm

the throwing around of statistics is a jab at our joke of an MSM.

32 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:01:32pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I'm always impressed by the comedic acting from the folks at the Onion. SNL should take lessons.

SNL is just Air America for late night TV.

33 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:01:56pm

Darkfall comes out today. It's an MMO that lets you kill and loot other players. Blood baths are great entiretainment.

34 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:02:17pm

re: #26 Killian Bundy

LOL!
Should video my dog chasing a laser pointer
dot all over the house!
Too dangerous tho!

35 pegcity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:02:21pm

that was funny

36 jamgarr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:02:31pm

20% of people are right 80% of the time, but
80% of people are right 20% of the time

37 Dayenu  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:02:49pm

Did anyone notice that one of the characters you can play in Left 4 Dead looks like Obama?

38 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:02:59pm
39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:03:28pm

re: #37 Dayenu

I'm still Playing TF2.

40 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:04:08pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I'm always impressed by the comedic acting from the folks at the Onion. SNL should take lessons.

Thought the same thing, better acting & better writing.

41 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:04:15pm

"Most of these kids are gonna be zombies themselves..."

"That's a huge problem!"

I laughed out loud.

42 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:04:18pm

Do the games have the "UN Seal Of Approval"?

43 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:04:24pm

re: #24 screaming_eagle

Is the current education system adequately preparing children?

you need to prepare yourself. the sooner a kid takes the reponsiblity for him/herself the better.

44 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:04:59pm

re: #24 screaming_eagle

Is the current education system adequately preparing children for high tech video games?

45 Dianna  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:05:01pm

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

As long as you have some lavender soap, a nice imported backbrush, and some candles.

And dedicated servants to take care of disposing of the bodies.

46 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:05:04pm
47 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:05:13pm

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

As long as you have some lavender soap, a nice imported backbrush, and some candles.

You forgot the girl...
without her..why bother?
/

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:05:42pm

The last combat video game I played was back in the DOS-running days of the early 90's. Will I be dogmeat when the Apocalypse arives?

49 oh_dude  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:06:02pm

I just finished Call of Duty 4.

I give the graphics and storyline an "A" but the actual game-play a "C+"

The Ghost Recon series had much better game-play.

50 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:06:23pm

how to collect the morning dew off of human skulls. LOL
studies show... irradiated beetles need hacking with an ax.

51 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:06:55pm

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

i usually just stand under a hose.

52 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:06:56pm

re: #49 oh_dude

I just finished Call of Duty 4.

I give the graphics and storyline an "A" but the actual game-play a "C+"

/try the multiplayer

53 Clemente  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:05pm

re: #34 reloadingisnotahobby

LOL!
Should video my dog chasing a laser pointer
dot all over the house!
Too dangerous tho!

Put the camera on the dog!

54 nikis-knight  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:29pm

I'm doing my part to make more violent video games.

55 Dave the.....  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:35pm

Who says we can't get along? Iraqi journalist Haider Hamza is speaking tonight at the Univ of Minnesota. Some of the sponsors:

Hillel (Jewish group on campus)
Muslim Student Association
Interfaith Campus Coalition
UMN Dept. of Gender, Women, and Sexuality Studies
UMN Dept. of African American & African Studies
Army ROTC

56 LionofDixon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:43pm

Why not....my countless hours of playing Duke Nukem' certainly qualified me for my job as Chief Mutant Killer at our local nuclear power plant.

57 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:47pm

re: #52 Killian Bundy

I hear the multiplayer is really addictive.

58 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:07:52pm
59 Bobblehead  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:08:19pm
60 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:08:51pm

"But, dad, why do I need to know how to stalk, shoot, gut, skin and bone out a deer when the zombies will have them all anyway?"

61 fighton  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:08:51pm

too true, but i find there is little mention of the dangers of eating radioactive food in their portrayals of post-apocalyptic wastelands

62 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:09:12pm

re: #55 Dave the.....

Who says we can't get along? Iraqi journalist Haider Hamza is speaking tonight at the Univ of Minnesota. Some of the sponsors:

Hillel (Jewish group on campus)
Muslim Student Association
Interfaith Campus Coalition
UMN Dept. of Gender, Women, and Sexuality Studies
UMN Dept. of African American & African Studies
Army ROTC

odd assortment.

63 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:09:17pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

I hear the multiplayer is really addictive.

That it is. ;)

64 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:09:25pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The last combat video game I played was back in the DOS-running days of the early 90's. Will I be dogmeat when the Apocalypse arives?

You have me beat...Asteroids and Space Invaders here pBMb.

65 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:09:43pm

I have never played any of the contemporary video games. Feeling kind of like a freak on this thread.

66 midwestgak  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:09:44pm

Bloodbath and Beyond Gun Shop.

-Simpsons

67 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:10:54pm

I got The Kid an Xbox 360 so that he could play Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned. Kinda' pricey but it's worth it just knowing that he can rampage, maim and kill with the best of them.

I'm so proud.

68 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:11:10pm

re: #64 jorline

You have me beat...Asteroids and Space Invaders here pBMb.

Looks like we need to find a cave to hide in out in the Big Bend country.

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:11:53pm

re: #67 MandyManners

I'm jealous. I have to wait for a year before it comes out on pc.

70 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:11:56pm

re: #67 MandyManners

I got The Kid an Xbox 360 so that he could play Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned

/your kid is like eight?

71 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:12:29pm

I was hell on wheels at PacMan.
All yur noms belongs to moi!

72 Dianna  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:12:46pm

re: #61 fighton

too true, but i find there is little mention of the dangers of eating radioactive food in their portrayals of post-apocalyptic wastelands

Remember when they find the irradiated veg in 28 Days Later?

73 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:12:56pm

re: #70 Killian Bundy

I think I saw her tongue firmly implanted in her cheek for that comment.

74 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:13:01pm

re: #67 MandyManners

I got The Kid an Xbox 360 so that he could play Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned. Kinda' pricey but it's worth it just knowing that he can rampage, maim and kill with the best of them.

I'm so proud.

Did you forget your sarc tag?

75 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:14:01pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was hell on wheels at PacMan.
All yur noms belongs to moi!

/Free classic arcade Pac Man for your PC!

76 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:14:03pm
77 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:14:06pm

re: #68 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Looks like we need to find a cave to hide in out in the Big Bend country.

LOL...I'll bring the popcorn and matches.

78 Bobblehead  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:15:19pm

When I got through Super Mario Brothers I thought I was the cat's pajamas.

79 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:15:28pm

Wait... to prepare for the apocalypse it may help to play violent video games? This is going to cause Glenn Beck's head to explode!

80 Ruebacca  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:15:38pm

re: #46 Iron Fist

I always liked the chainsaw action you could get in Unreal Tournament. Chainsaws are fun!

I play PvP games. Fighting a human player is so much more fun than killing npc's (non-player characters). Ruebacca was my Star Wars Galaxies Commando. The first time I used "Ruebacca" on a blog was Jihad watch lol. Right-wing Wookiee ftw.

81 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:15:41pm

re: #75 Killian Bundy

/Free classic arcade Pac Man for your PC!

Heck, Killian, I'm not sure if I even have a joystick around here anymore.

82 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:15:50pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

They're full of useful new exciting skills, like sniping (for real snipe) ant the appropriate usage of optically detonated mines. Nothing really beats the chainsaw, though. It is fun for all ages :-)

I'm like feeling sooooo missing out.
/my basement brain

83 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:16:59pm

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heck, Killian, I'm not sure if I even have a joystick around here anymore.

/that's why Bill Gates made the arrow keys

84 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:17:05pm

re: #77 jorline

LOL...I'll bring the popcorn and matches.

Does the Cookbook have a recipe for horned toad?

85 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:17:10pm

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heck, Killian, I'm not sure if I even have a joystick around here anymore.

There's a quip just hovering.....

86 Eowyn2  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:17:13pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was hell on wheels at PacMan.
All yur noms belongs to moi!

I figured out how to win simons quest.

87 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:17:31pm

two words...
COD4
I'm prepared should I find myself in a world of violent Nazi killers taking over ...I can save humanity

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:17:48pm

re: #83 Killian Bundy

/that's why Bill Gates made the arrow keys

He made Microsoft Bob, too.

90 Bobblehead  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:13pm

I thought Metroid was pretty cool.

91 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:14pm

Ok, this makes me want to go kill some supermutants and collect some more Nuka cola, I'll be back later.

/gotta prep for the post Barackolyptic future ya know

92 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:19pm

re: #85 rightymouse

There's a quip just hovering.....

*WHACK*

93 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:22pm

My favorite was Mech Warrior.. Kids think I'm so old fashion

94 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:32pm
95 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:18:49pm
96 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:19:08pm

re: #92 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*WHACK*


OUCH!

/lol!

97 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:19:18pm

re: #76 Iron Fist

Nothing really beats the chainsaw, though. It is fun for all ages :-)

/I have every version of Doom, you're bringing tears to my eyes

98 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:19:57pm

re: #94 albusteve

Rush has jumped the shark

Irrelevancy does that...

99 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:21:14pm

I learned from Doom that you don't need to shoot them directly, just shoot a barrel of green shit and it will explode and kill several of them. Saves ammunition.

100 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:21:43pm

re: #98 Basho

Irrelevancy does that...

I can only insult whoever is logged on here if I have to...he just insulted millions of people with one quick lash of the tongue....fuck him

101 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:21:59pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

Rush: If you think Jindal reeked last night, I don’t want to hear from you again

I heard Jindal on Hannity's radio show tonight. Unscripted, he sounds just fine.

102 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:17pm

no need....I'll be Raptured out before the shit hits the fan............

//////lighten up!

103 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:21pm

re: #99 BatGuano

I've done that several times at the Supermarket. Too many people around the cheese.

104 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:22pm

I love it.

Charles, can you put up one of Beck's clips to go with it? Pretty please.

105 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:22pm

re: #99 BatGuano

I learned from Doom that you don't need to shoot them directly, just shoot a barrel of green shit and it will explode and kill several of them. Saves ammunition.

one of the best games ever Doom 2

106 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:25pm

re: #99 BatGuano

I learned from Doom that you don't need to shoot them directly, just shoot a barrel of green shit and it will explode and kill several of them. Saves ammunition.

Before I played first person shooters, the idea of shooting nearby explosive barrels to clear a room of enemies would have never occurred to me.

107 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:45pm

re: #98 Basho

Irrelevancy does that...

I'm really starting to believe that there are some very skillful undercover trolls that comment here on LGF. Not pointing any fingers at any individual/s. Yet.

108 kansas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:22:51pm

Jindal did reek last night, and I'm gonna go home and ad an axe to kill giant mutant cockroaches to my survival kit.

109 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:23:43pm

re: #106 Basho

Before I played first person shooters, the idea of shooting nearby explosive barrels to clear a room of enemies would have never occurred to me.

In Fallout 3 it's nuclear car engines, but ... you better not be anywhere close.

110 MandyManners  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:23:54pm

We'll be first in line to get GTA5 even if we hafta' camp out all night in 2010! Screw school the next day! We have our priorities, ya' know.

111 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:24:26pm

More historical obfuscation from Obama's address to Congress

President Obama opined, "History reminds us that at every moment of economic upheaval and transformation, this nation has responded with bold action and big ideas. In the midst of civil war, we laid railroad tracks from one coast to another that spurred commerce and industry."

The expansion of the railroads was accomplished by, primarily, British railroad speculators and a land bribe, giving a section (one square mile) of land along each mile of railroad bed right-of-way. It cost taxpayers nothing, and created hundreds of thousands of jobs and planted the seeds of the great catalog retailers, Sears Roebuck and Co. and J.C. Penney. To suggest that the great railroad expansion was a Federal program is patently silly.

/oops, he did it again, doesn't anyone vet his speeches?

112 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:25:05pm

re: #107 Soona'

I'm really starting to believe that there are some very skillful undercover trolls that comment here on LGF. Not pointing any fingers at any individual/s. Yet.

You're thinking I'm an undercover troll? Nah. I was never a fan of Rush. John Gibson is my favorite talk radio guy.

113 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:25:59pm

re: #105 albusteve

I still play it after 13 years.

114 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:03pm

re: #71 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was hell on wheels at PacMan.
All yur noms belongs to moi!

Ms. PacMan was my forte!

MWAH!

115 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:13pm
116 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:17pm

A record of my misdeeds in the 'DC wastelands' of Fallout 3:

Should give a fair idea of what the game is like for those who haven't played/seen it, not to mention lots of handy tips on surviving in a post apocalyptic world of course;-)

117 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:23pm

re: #112 Basho

I'd be listening to Gibson now if the geniuses at Fox didn't move him to afternoons. Sigh...

118 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:42pm

Son of a beyoch! I just got a call form my wife. It is all over the news that the Obamas are getting a Portuguese Water Dog.
We have one. It would not have been my first choice, but I deferd to my daughter.
this dog is smart, loyal & a woderful companion. That is all common in the breed. We have had ours for 12 years & I do not want the Obamas to have one . The kids are fine but Thing One & Thing two will have that dog too. Damn it!

119 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:45pm

re: #84 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Does the Cookbook have a recipe for horned toad?

When in doubt add mustard.

120 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:26:50pm

re: #106 Basho

Before I played first person shooters, the idea of shooting nearby explosive barrels to clear a room of enemies would have never occurred to me.

you learned to shoot everything...in Duke Nukem trash barrels hid ammo for example...."come get some"

121 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:27:03pm

re: #106 Basho

Before I played first person shooters, the idea of shooting nearby explosive barrels to clear a room of enemies would have never occurred to me.

/in COD4, one of the hardest challenges is to shoot through a wall to detonate C4 and kill an opponent

122 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:27:28pm

re: #101 rightymouse

I heard Jindal on Hannity's radio show tonight. Unscripted, he sounds just fine.

He had a bad night.

123 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:27:41pm

re: #111 Killian Bundy

More historical obfuscation from Obama's address to Congress


/oops, he did it again, doesn't anyone vet his speeches?

The libs have been re-writing history for years and thoroughly infested the public school systems with trash like this. Sad part about it is that so many people don't know any better and will believe anything he says.

124 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:27:45pm

re: #113 BatGuano

I still play it after 13 years.

I'd give anything to play those games again...Duke Nukem way way cool

125 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:01pm

re: #122 opnion

He had a bad night.

You only get one chance to make a first impression.

126 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:09pm

re: #122 opnion

He had a bad night.

Agreed.

127 Randall Gross  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:37pm

From Rush:

So we have a guy, Bobby Jindal, 37 years old, first time on the national stage, shows up last night to make a response to The Messiah. All he did was articulate what we believe. All he did was articulate opposition to what Obama is doing, with the obligatory when he’s right, we’ll work with him, just like we worked with Clinton on NAFTA, just like we worked with Clinton on welfare reform after we brought him in.

It's kinda hypocritical of Rush since he pissed all over McCain, and Jindal basically crimped his speech from McCain's campaign speeches.

128 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:44pm
129 kansas  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:50pm

re: #122 opnion

He had a bad night.

So Rush jumped the shark by pointing that out?

130 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:28:57pm

re: #112 Basho

You're thinking I'm an undercover troll? Nah. I was never a fan of Rush. John Gibson is my favorite talk radio guy.

I gathered that from some other posters the other day. Never heard him.

131 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:29:03pm

re: #128 buzzsawmonkey

A Vichy Water Dog would be more apropos.

Excellent!

132 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:29:15pm

re: #120 albusteve

I still play Duke Nukem 3D.

133 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:29:57pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

My favorite was Mech Warrior.. Kids think I'm so old fashion

Back in the Fifties and before, there were gamers who "played" (serious stuff, though) with tin soldiers. These were historically accurate, and most often hand-painted by the individual "player". The ones I saw were based upon the Napoleonic War era.

134 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:30:13pm

re: #27 dentate

72% know how to use medicine packs to heal Zombie bites....

Oh how woefully unprepared they will be when the real zombiepocalypse comes.

135 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:30:33pm

re: #132 BatGuano

I still play Duke Nukem 3D.

never played it...are those games still available?...used maybe?...where would I find a copy?

136 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:30:47pm

re: #127 Thanos

From Rush:


It's kinda hypocritical of Rush since he pissed all over McCain, and Jindal basically crimped his speech from McCain's campaign speeches.

He may have had to. The RNC hasn't been overhauled quite yet.

137 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:30:56pm

My Favorite Duke Nukem Line" I'm going to rip off your head and S**t down you neck". And then he does it.

138 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:31:15pm

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Back in the Fifties and before, there were gamers who "played" (serious stuff, though) with tin soldiers. These were historically accurate, and most often hand-painted by the individual "player". The ones I saw were based upon the Napoleonic War era.

They still do. It's a favorite pasttime of many military servicemen and former servicemen. Lots of different games out there.

139 Afrocity  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:31:23pm

Ha ha Library Of Congress official said Obama was wrong about the automobile. Germany invented it.

140 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:31:53pm

re: #125 dentate

re: #126 rightymouse

He caused himself some serious damage. Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton gave one of the most painful speaches in the history of mankind at the Dem convention & redeemed himself.

141 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:32:39pm

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Ms. PacMan was my forte!

MWAH!

I don't remember anything of substance about that game.
Did she daintily wipe her mouth after every bite?

142 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:32:39pm

re: #135 albusteve

You know, I have no Idea. Some older games are available free by download. Google it. Great question.

143 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:32:52pm

re: #137 BatGuano

My Favorite Duke Nukem Line" I'm going to rip off your head and S**t down you neck". And then he does it.

Ive got balls of steel used to crack me up.
Damned shame they never made Duke Nukem forever

144 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:32:57pm

re: #128 buzzsawmonkey

A Vichy Water Dog would be more apropos.

Are they little wussy dogs? I see Obama with a sneaky feline.

145 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:32:58pm
146 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:33:29pm

I never played any of this stuff. Chased for real Russian subs for a living and couldn't get into more video! I'm also of the 3 channels and you had to change them yourself generation. The inventor of the remote control should get a Nobel prize! Same with the folks who invented duct tape,10 in one tool.

147 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:05pm

re: #138 ConservatismNow!

They still do. It's a favorite pasttime of many military servicemen and former servicemen. Lots of different games out there.

Didn't know that.
Thanks.

148 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:14pm

re: #128 buzzsawmonkey

A Vichy Water Dog would be more apropos.

Portuguese water dog: swims through water to retrieve. Protects owner in emergencies.

Vichy Water Dog: Passes water in emergencies. Tail has white flag.

149 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:15pm
150 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:20pm

Call of Duty 4-evah! If not for that how will the little tykes appreciate the unbridled joy of firing the (soon to be illegal?) M-1 Garand

151 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:25pm

re: #141 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I don't remember anything of substance about that game.
Did she daintily wipe her mouth after every bite?

LOL. {deleted}

152 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:33pm

re: #139 Afrocity

Hey Afrocity. I just heard that! You listening to Bret Baer too?

153 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:47pm

re: #139 Afrocity

Ha ha Library Of Congress official said Obama was wrong about the automobile. Germany invented it.

Report to your Obama Block Club at 0800 hours for transport to a reeducation camp.

154 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:34:54pm

re: #137 BatGuano

My Favorite Duke Nukem Line" I'm going to rip off your head and S**t down you neck". And then he does it.

I remember...long time ago bro...it was the first talking game if I recall...lots of great sound effects...I remember charging into the pool hall and killing pigs...I jumped onto a table and finished them off...then I heard these clicking noises...I couldnt figure it out...finally I looked down and it was me kicking the pool balls!...that was cool

155 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:35:37pm

Call of Duty 4 - 52 Kill Streak - THE DPO

/impressive, although I hate the Bloc map

156 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:35:37pm

re: #25 FrogMarch

biased yahoo headlines.

CNN just dissected the volcano thing too. He should have found better examples.

157 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:35:40pm

re: #137 BatGuano

My Favorite Duke Nukem Line" I'm going to rip off your head and S**t down you neck". And then he does it.

Not unlike Clarance Beeks', "I'll rip out your eyes and piss on your brain". Poetry. Sheer poetry.

158 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:35:42pm

re: #148 Kosh's Shadow

Portuguese water dog: swims through water to retrieve. Protects owner in emergencies.

Right, that's why the comment that this breed was recommended by Ted Kennedy, who owns one, is so amusing

159 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:36:11pm

re: #143 DEZes

Last time I checked (months ago) there was a new one in the works but no release date.

160 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:36:12pm

re: #148 Kosh's Shadow

Portuguese water dog: swims through water to retrieve. Protects owner in emergencies.

Vichy Water Dog: Passes water in emergencies. Tail has white flag.

I could not have said that better. Portuguese Water Dogs are fantastic pets.

161 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:36:46pm

re: #130 Soona'

I gathered that from some other posters the other day. Never heard him.

Never heard of John Gibson? He was mentioned here on LGF not long ago:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

162 Killian Bundy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:37:13pm

re: #150 calcajun

Call of Duty 4-evah! If not for that how will the little tykes appreciate the unbridled joy of firing the (soon to be illegal?) M-1 Garand

/I think you need COD 1,2 or 5 for the Garand

163 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:37:26pm

re: #140 opnion

re: #126 rightymouse

He caused himself some serious damage. Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton gave one of the most painful speaches in the history of mankind at the Dem convention & redeemed himself.

Let's wait and see if Jindal makes the same mistake again.

164 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:38:03pm

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

No, just a joke on the Vichy collaborationist regime in France during WWII, the bottled Vichy Water, and the Portuguese Water Dog. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a "Vichy Water Dog."

And of course that is essential to understanding the scene in Casablanca when Capt. Renault throws the bottle of Vichy water in the trash.

165 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:38:37pm

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey

No, just a joke on the Vichy collaborationist regime in France during WWII, the bottled Vichy Water, and the Portuguese Water Dog. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing as a "Vichy Water Dog."

Right over my head. If there is a dog breeder on the thread , he or she will probably develop the breed in a couple of years. Designer dogs, what we do to them!

166 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:38:43pm

re: #148 Kosh's Shadow

Portuguese water dog: swims through water to retrieve.

For example ...

167 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:38:53pm

re: #161 Basho

Never heard of John Gibson? He was mentioned here on LGF not long ago:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I've read what people were writing about him here, but I've never heard his program.

168 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:09pm

re: #164 Kosh's Shadow
Do you have any idea of how many people under 50 have no idea what Vichy was?!

169 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:12pm

re: #154 albusteve

I know what you're talkin' bout. Click on the women and he offers them money. After all, he's a real man.

170 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:25pm

re: #163 rightymouse

Let's wait and see if Jindal makes the same mistake again.

Twice would probably not be forgiven.

171 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:26pm

Next game I'll be playing is "Call of Cthulhu". No idea if it's any good, but I enjoyed Lovecraft's story of the same name so it should be interesting. A reminder of the great first paragraph of that story:

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

172 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:35pm

re: #155 Killian Bundy
I will always hate that map, but I love the game!

173 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:39:57pm

re: #162 Killian Bundy

/I think you need COD 1,2 or 5 for the Garand

I used to play 1 and 2 with nothing but a Garand...way cool

174 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:11pm

re: #170 opnion

Twice would probably not be forgiven.

Not from a Rep, that's for sure.

175 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:14pm

re: #168 pingjockey

some kinda soup, right? :D

176 Cato the Elder  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:17pm

Good evening.

Any survivalist meltdowns yet?

177 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:34pm

re: #169 BatGuano

I know what you're talkin' bout. Click on the women and he offers them money. After all, he's a real man.

"be careful where you point that thing!"

178 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:41pm

re: #175 ConservatismNow!
Heh.

179 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:41pm

re: #168 pingjockey

Do you have any idea of how many people under 50 have no idea what Vichy was?!

Boy, the teaching of history has gone down the tubes!
Sometimes, I think we'll be hoist by our own Petain.

180 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:49pm

re: #159 BatGuano
its been in the works on and off for well over a decade, I gave up hopeing years ago. :(

181 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:40:54pm

re: #168 pingjockey

Do you have any idea of how many people under 50 have no idea what Vichy was?!


Boy. Ain't that the truth?

182 JHW  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:41:02pm

I'm a bit surprised this game hasn't been mentioned,many awards, developed in Poland. Medieval style, Gothic, great story line. The main character is a real bad-arse, but likable, quite popular with the numerous ladies he meets (if you want him to be). Loads of fun, atmospheric; The Witcher

183 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:41:16pm

re: #168 pingjockey

Do you have any idea of how many people under 50 have no idea what Vichy was?!

Isn't that the type of grass that they're going to produce ethynol from and replace oil?
//

184 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:41:31pm

re: #179 Kosh's Shadow
We have more punsters per capita than any other blog.

185 rawmuse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:41:42pm

re: #179 Kosh's Shadow

The problem with History is that, every year, there is more of it to teach.

186 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:42:47pm

re: #179 Kosh's Shadow

Boy, the teaching of history has gone down the tubes!
Sometimes, I think we'll be hoist by our own Petain.

Yeah, the de Gaulle of some people! Not knowing their own history!

187 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:43:15pm

re: #171 Jimmah

Next game I'll be playing is "Call of Cthulhu". No idea if it's any good, but I enjoyed Lovecraft's story of the same name so it should be interesting. A reminder of the great first paragraph of that story:

Let me know. I have read all of Lovecraft. And even tried writing something similar, here at LGF. I present, The Call of Obamathotep

188 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:43:30pm

re: #180 DEZes

Me too. That's why don't check anymore.

189 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:43:55pm

re: #186 ConservatismNow!

Yeah, the de Gaulle of some people! Not knowing their own history!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

190 doppelganglander  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:17pm

re: #165 opnion

Right over my head. If there is a dog breeder on the thread , he or she will probably develop the breed in a couple of years. Designer dogs, what we do to them!

A Vichy Water Dog would excel at rolling over.

191 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:17pm

re: #161 Basho

I kinda went off him after that "five in the noggin" incident with the Brazilian guy who got shot by the British anti-terror police.

192 UncleRancher  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:30pm

Forget the details. A game that teaches adaptability will be helpful no matter what the future.

193 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:33pm

re: #181 rightymouse

Yeah. Idiots. It's cold potato soup.

194 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:46pm

re: #183 Soona'
Another heh! We're sitting here having fun and I'm listening to Brett Bair(sp) running sound bites of Barney Fwank, Harry Asshat Reid, Nancy Blinky Pelosi and the One merrily planning the death of the republic. I can see where a vast amount of the population has tuned out. It is hard to fight this kind of lunacy.

195 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:50pm

re: #188 BatGuano

Me too. That's why don't check anymore.

Oh well, for now I have COD4, and I love my saw. ;)

196 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:52pm

re: #189 rightymouse

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Pattonly stupid

197 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:44:59pm

re: #186 ConservatismNow!

Yeah, the de Gaulle of some people! Not knowing their own history!

Finally, the puns. I've been Stalin since the beginning of this thread.

198 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:45:29pm

re: #102 IslandLibertarian

no need....I'll be Raptured out before the shit hits the fan............

//////lighten up!

The you'll need the post rapture pet care link again.

199 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:46:02pm

re: #195 DEZes

I need a new game. I'm going to check it out.

200 reine.de.tout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:46:05pm

Here's what Jindal should have sounded like last night.

201 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:46:22pm

The portuguese Water Dog was used as a sheep dog in antiquity.
The Portuguese fishermenn realised what smart working dogs that they are & trained them to go on the boats & swim the nets in & out.
Nature provides , they now have water repellent hair, seperations in their teeth for the nets & webbed paws , that are like paddles.
After the Gael were defeated by Ceasar, they refugeed down the Iberian Penninsula & took a great many of these dogs to Ireland, so there are also Irish Water Dogs.

202 Achilles Tang  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:47:20pm

Funny; but are there any lip readers in the room?

203 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:47:31pm

re: #199 BatGuano

I need a new game. I'm going to check it out.


I built a new PC to run the game at high settings, thats how much I like the game.

204 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:48:03pm

re: #191 Jimmah

Looked that up in google. Yeah, I can see why you would stop listening.

205 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:48:08pm

re: #179 Kosh's Shadow

Boy, the teaching of history has gone down the tubes!
Sometimes, I think we'll be hoist by our own Petain.

Yeah, we are headed for educational Waterloo.

206 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:49:39pm

Forgive me for this;

Call of Duty 4 FTW!

Ugh. Brain cells dying...gamerspeak killing them....

207 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:49:51pm

BBL, you'll have to continue the puns without me.
Back in a few hours.

208 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:49:52pm

re: #205 opnion

Yeah, we are headed for educational Waterloo.

we will be Hurtgen for sure

209 UFO TOFU  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #111 Killian Bundy

/oops, he did it again, doesn't anyone vet his speeches?

Guess not.

OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."
THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.
210 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:50:02pm

re: #203 DEZes

OK. I'm do'in it.

211 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:50:25pm

re: #187 Kosh's Shadow

Let me know. I have read all of Lovecraft. And even tried writing something similar, here at LGF. I present, The Call of Obamathotep

Funniest thing I have ever seen on television was Saturday Night Live's Lovecraft parody, "Toad Island." I can still see Lorraine Newman puffing out her throat sack. Can't find it on Youtube anywhere now.

212 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:50:26pm

The Onion Crew stomps and makes Jon Stewart seem staid and boring - even - predictable. They go after everyone. The true proof of courage.

213 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:50:26pm

re: #207 Kosh's Shadow

BBL, you'll have to continue the puns without me.
Back in a few hours.

It wouldn't be any pun without you.

(I'm a genius)

214 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:50:54pm

re: #197 Soona'

Man! You had that one ready Togo!

215 opnion  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:51:09pm

re: #208 albusteve

we will be Hurtgen for sure

Not if we leap FROG

216 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:51:47pm

re: #214 ConservatismNow!

Man! You had that one ready Togo!

it really was a Pearl eh?

217 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:53:26pm

re: #209 UFO TOFU

It doesn't even sound like this shit-for-brains ever knows what he's going to say in a speech until he reads it on the tele-prompter.

218 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:54:13pm

Obama seeks $634 billion over 10 years for health care reform

Obama, you are Brain dead, over-spending, bankrupting, health care destroying FOOL! Where the hell is this money going to come from?

My call: Bankrupt America within the year.

219 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #215 opnion

Not if we leap FROG

lets check with the Overlord first

220 TheAntichrist  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:54:23pm

Well I've been playing Call of Duty for several hours and have just stormed the Reichstag. But now I'm calling everyone "comrade" and saying "ura!".

221 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:54:46pm

re: #216 albusteve

it really was a Pearl eh?

As ex-Navy I should do better at this, but when I Salvo Island in the water.

222 Macker  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:55:07pm

re: #67 MandyManners

I got The Kid an Xbox 360 so that he could play Grand Theft Auto IV: The Lost and Damned. Kinda' pricey but it's worth it just knowing that he can rampage, maim and kill with the best of them.

I'm so proud.

And what about the Ho's?

223 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:55:18pm

re: #218 acwgusa

Obama seeks $634 billion over 10 years for health care reform

Obama, you are Brain dead, over-spending, bankrupting, health care destroying FOOL! Where the hell is this money going to come from?

My call: Bankrupt America within the year.

out of your pocket...here, have an onion

224 UFO TOFU  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:55:42pm

re: #217 Soona'

Perhaps, but what about his speech writers? He probably vets them as well as his appointees.

225 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:55:55pm

re: #187 Kosh's Shadow

Let me know. I have read all of Lovecraft. And even tried writing something similar, here at LGF. I present, The Call of Obamathotep

Maybe not too far from the truth. I've actually heard of strange swamp dwelling simpletons who were found making bizarre sacrifices in the woods at night and making sounds which rendered into words as "Hopn C'than'ge"

Heh. I'm not really that much of an Obama basher but I had to go along with the spirit of that one just for laughs.

226 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:55:59pm

re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Gaaah. That's only about Midway to a pun.

227 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:56:23pm

re: #208 albusteve

we will be Hurtgen for sure

Then it's time to Taiwan on!

228 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:56:35pm

re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat

We are already Midway between the puns and you're falling behind

229 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:56:36pm

re: #221 pre-Boomer Marine brat

As ex-Navy I should do better at this, but when I Salvo Island in the water.

well Wake up!

230 Basho  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:56:55pm

re: #218 acwgusa

My call: Bankrupt America within the year.

Eh... I'm sure management will be transferred to China long before America declares bankruptcy.

231 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:57:10pm

re: #216 albusteve

it really was a Pearl eh?


Yes, but we wont harbor any bad feelings. ;)

232 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:57:21pm

re: #226 pingjockey

Gaaah. That's only about Midway to a pun.

Samar better than others.
/Surigao back to WWII for material! After all, I read a lot about it as a kid.

233 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:57:58pm

re: #224 UFO TOFU

Perhaps, but what about his speech writers? He probably vets them as well as his appointees.

Goes without saying.

234 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:58:37pm

re: #230 Basho

Eh... I'm sure management will be transferred to China long before America declares bankruptcy.

re: #223 albusteve

out of your pocket...here, have an onion

Or the Iranians will nuke us, and then the Obama admin will be the least of our problems.

235 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:58:46pm

re: #232 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Bravo. BTW, did you the Battle of Surigao Strait was the last all gun duel between battleships?

236 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:59:42pm

re: #231 DEZes

Yes, but we wont harbor any bad feelings. ;)

the Dutch Harbor no ill will

237 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 3:59:50pm

Better than the NEA does and a lot cheaper too. Of course reading books puts them all to shame.

238 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:00:00pm

re: #193 BatGuano

Yeah. Idiots. It's cold potato soup.

**snort**

239 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:00:04pm

re: #210 BatGuano

OK. I'm do'in it.


See you in the game. ;)

240 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:00:35pm

re: #226 pingjockey

Gaaah. That's only about Midway to a pun.

Attu-boy. I just came a Wake and stumbled on this pun thread......

241 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:00:38pm

HuffPo is blaming the down market today on the Housing Report.

"Stocks end down as week's back-and-forth continues"

One up day in two weeks and they're keying in on this week lone positive.

242 snowcrash  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:00:48pm

re: #222 Macker
I think she is joking. He son is young. I will recommend Mario Kart on Wii with the extra steering wheels to hold the controllers. My 17 year old son and his guy and girl friends love it. I play, but stink.

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:01:16pm

re: #235 pingjockey

Bravo. BTW, did you the Battle of Surigao Strait was the last all gun duel between battleships?

I'd hardly call it a "duel", but yes ... it was.
"Duel" implies something of an even match.
Surigao was a massacre.

Was it the 2nd Santa Cruz where Washington and South Dakota got into it with a Japanese task force?

244 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:01:30pm

re: #236 albusteve

the Dutch Harbor no ill will


Oh, I sea.

245 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:01:33pm

re: #240 LGoPs

Yep, its been Lenin toward silliness.

246 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:01:46pm

re: #133 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Back in the Fifties and before, there were gamers who "played" (serious stuff, though) with tin soldiers. These were historically accurate, and most often hand-painted by the individual "player". The ones I saw were based upon the Napoleonic War era.

Winston Churchill had an amazing collection of tin soldiers. They're on display at Blenheim Palace just outside Oxford, England.

247 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:01:52pm

re: #240 LGoPs

Attu-boy. I just came a Wake and stumbled on this pun thread......

just Truk on...it gets even better

248 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:02:05pm

re: #196 albusteve

Pattonly stupid


But Bulging with humor.

249 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:03:03pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat
If it was off of Guadalcanal yes. Surigao strait, Adm Lee crossed the enemy T and some of the Pearl Harbor battleships got revenge.

250 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:03:55pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd hardly call it a "duel", but yes ... it was.
"Duel" implies something of an even match.
Surigao was a massacre.

Was it the 2nd Santa Cruz where Washington and South Dakota got into it with a Japanese task force?

I think it whas been variously called the 2nd or 3rd Battle of Savo or also Part II of the Naval Battle of Gudalcanal. Took place the day after the first Naval Battle of Guadalcanal or Battle of Friday the 13th......

251 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:04:10pm
252 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:04:27pm

re: #249 pingjockey

If it was off of Guadalcanal yes. Surigao strait, Adm Lee crossed the enemy T and some of the Pearl Harbor battleships got revenge.

I guess you could call him an Avenger.

253 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:04:27pm

re: #248 rightymouse

But Bulging with humor.

Your puns are Bataan .500.

254 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #249 pingjockey

If it was off of Guadalcanal yes. Surigao strait, Adm Lee crossed the enemy T and some of the Pearl Harbor battleships got revenge.

it was a blood bath....alot of people died in those Staits

255 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:04:37pm

re: #246 goddessoftheclassroom

Winston Churchill had an amazing collection of tin soldiers. They're on display at Blenheim Palace just outside Oxford, England.

I bet you saw them while you were over there.

256 Ziggy Standard  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:01pm

re: #204 Basho

Looked that up in google. Yeah, I can see why you would stop listening.

My girlfriend (who is a compatriot of the guy that was shot) kinda freaked out over it. I could probably watch him again now, especially if he had apologised for those remarks - not sure if he has - but it was about the same time that I stopped finding Billo funny, so I just got out of the habit of watching Fox news altogether.

257 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:28pm

re: #247 albusteve

just Truk on...it gets even better

With the way people are tearing thru the puns there won't be anything but Rabaul left soon to dig through.......

258 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:29pm

re: #252 Gus 802

I guess you could call him an Avenger.

you get a Zero for that pun

259 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:35pm
260 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:37pm

re: #255 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I bet you saw them while you were over there.

Yes. Blenheim Palace is one of my favorite places to visit in England. Churchill is buried there, too.

261 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:41pm

re: #250 LGoPs
IIRC, that's correct. I also remember reading the S.D. took a round that jammed her steering. So she was steaming in circles and every time she came around the right way they'd get rounds off, on target.

262 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:42pm

OT

Lou Dobbs tonight (airing right now on CNN) will have on Christopher Hitchens. Although I'm not a huge fan of Hitchens, this might be a debate worth watching. Hitchens will be arguing against a proposal of the United Nations which would make "blaspheming against Islam" an offense of some sort. Hitchens is outraged and suggests that this would severely limit Freedom of Speech. Anyway, Hitchens will be on air momentarily...

263 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:44pm

re: #247 albusteve

just Truk on...it gets even better

I'm gonna bypass that.

264 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:05:45pm

The people that do these for The Onion are REAL actors, not a punk like, sean penn. If HE won Oscars, they should make higher categories for these folks.

Hilarious.

265 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:06:10pm

re: #253 Soona'

Your puns are Bataan .500.

Good one!

266 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #225 Jimmah

There is nothing hotep about Obama. Hotep translates as "to be satisfied", "be at peace", "go to rest", "set" (when talking about the sun), "to satisfy", "to make content". Making Obama content is an oxymoron, he will not rest until the rest of us are slaves. The pharaohs names like Amunhotep translate as "Amun is pleased".

Now hopped up, I could agree with.

267 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:06:37pm

re: #258 albusteve

you get a Zero for that pun

Damn, you're as quick as Lightning.

268 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:06:52pm

re: #265 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good one!

Betty can do better tho

269 bulwrk  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:07:03pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey

Probably hates the neighbors

270 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:07:06pm

re: #259 buzzsawmonkey Dude, I loved that song as a little girl. Still do in fact. Good catch ; )

271 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:07:09pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd hardly call it a "duel", but yes ... it was.
"Duel" implies something of an even match.
Surigao was a massacre.

Was it the 2nd Santa Cruz where Washington and South Dakota got into it with a Japanese task force?

Santa Cruz was the carrier battle o/a 26 Oct 42 where the Hornet was lost and Enterprise damaged and left as the only operational carrier in the fleet.......

272 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:07:56pm

re: #251 buzzsawmonkey

Haven't you heard about the Administration's new Tooth Fairy Initiative? The President is calling upon all citizens to voluntarily leave at least one tooth under the pillow, and donate the tooth fairy proceeds to establishing the National Health Care Agency.

Older people with false teeth will of course bear the heaviest burden, because they cannot leave only one tooth under the pillow--but the increased donation they will make by donating the proceeds of full dentures to the Tooth Fairy will fund the increased health care they will need in their declining years, as well as all the pap they can gum down.

Well, if we're going down the road to becoming France, I'm going to have a carbecue. There's a Bentley down the street....

273 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #261 pingjockey

IIRC, that's correct. I also remember reading the S.D. took a round that jammed her steering. So she was steaming in circles and every time she came around the right way they'd get rounds off, on target.

The Japanese spotted her.
Did NOT spot the Washington.
/awshit time

274 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:08:15pm

You "guys" are incorregidor. You're on the luzon side.

275 lostlakehiker  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:08:31pm

Why do you have to rub our noses in the grim realities of the world, Charles? Can't you ever bring up a lighthearted, fun topic like the stock market, or something warm, fluffy and uncontroversial, such as evolution?
/whinger

276 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:08:35pm

re: #254 albusteve

it was a blood bath....alot of people died in those Staits

Isn't that the battle where four of five Sullivan brothers were on the one ship when it was hit?

277 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:08:43pm

re: #198 avanti

The you'll need the post rapture pet care link again.

the dam cat brings in a bird every night.......and I have to clean up in the morning.......the little killer can look after himself!

278 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:09:08pm

re: #271 LGoPs

Santa Cruz was the carrier battle o/a 26 Oct 42 where the Hornet was lost and Enterprise damaged and left as the only operational carrier in the fleet.......

That's right. It's been a number of years since I read about it.

279 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:05pm

re: #274 Elcid

You "guys" are incorregidor. You're on the luzon side.

Not if we make like Higgens and get on the boat.

280 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:06pm

Are you Föchers on another punstravaganza?

281 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:08pm

re: #267 Gus 802

Damn, you're as quick as Lightning.


I gotta go clean up the Messerschmitt in the living room.

282 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:19pm

re: #268 albusteve

Betty can do better tho

Oscar did Betty during the entire war.

283 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:31pm

re: #276 Soona'

Isn't that the battle where four of five Sullivan brothers were on the one ship when it was hit?

yes...the Juneau, a cruiser

284 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:33pm

re: #273 pre-Boomer Marine brat
We were onloading ammo at Seal Beach, Ca. Outside the Ops building they have 2 16" shells. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of that. GWI we were on the gun line and Wisconsin was shooting at the Iraqis. Those shells would go over and it sounded like a freight train on steroids.

285 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:10:53pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

My favorite was Mech Warrior.. Kids think I'm so old fashion

Is that based on the Battletech board game?

286 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:11:21pm

re: #276 Soona'
IIRC, the Sullivan boys got sunk in the North Atlantic.

287 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:11:29pm

My oldest boy (now in active duty with the US Army) grew up playing violent video games.....Ive seen him chop, shoot, blow up, punch, kick, run over, stab and chain-saw enemies to death.

Has it prepared him for the Apocalypse? I'm not sure, but we sure have alot of fun....I'm in my mid-40's and I used to have to go to the arcade to play stuff like this.

Ive been playing Gears of War 2 on Hardcore level for the last couple of weeks.

288 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:11:50pm

The only reason I can understand these puns is from YEARS of abuse. My bro watched every damned war movie ever made...and made me sit through them too.

/it sucks being the youngest

289 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:12:01pm

re: #282 Soona'

Oscar did Betty during the entire war.

Running....out...of....steam.

290 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:12:18pm

re: #286 pingjockey
Oops, albusteve got it!

291 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:12:29pm

the Sullivans

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

292 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:12:38pm

re: #288 UberInfidel67

The only reason I can understand these puns is from YEARS of abuse. My bro watched every damned war movie ever made...and made me sit through them too.

/it sucks being the youngest

That must be one Torch to bear.

293 BatGuano  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:09pm

re: #288 UberInfidel67

Youngest of three boys. But I'm the toughest. Had to be :)

294 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:21pm

re: #292 Gus 802
**runs around the room screaming* TORA TORA TORA!

295 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:28pm

re: #286 pingjockey

IIRC, the Sullivan boys got sunk in the North Atlantic.

No, they dide on the Juneau the day after the Battle of Friday the13th. All 5 brothers dies and only 10 survived out of a 700 man crew.

Navy changed policy after that to not allow brothers to serve on the same ship.....

296 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:44pm

re: #286 pingjockey

IIRC, the Sullivan boys got sunk in the North Atlantic.

You sure? (going to look)

297 Sancho_Pansa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:47pm

Big fan of the Call of Duty Games. The newest World at War is great, plus the multi-player server out there.

298 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:13:50pm

re: #284 pingjockey

We were onloading ammo at Seal Beach, Ca. Outside the Ops building they have 2 16" shells. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of that. GWI we were on the gun line and Wisconsin was shooting at the Iraqis. Those shells would go over and it sounded like a freight train on steroids.

I toured the Wis over at Norfolk...one hell of a piece of combat hurt em

299 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:04pm

re: #295 LGoPs
You are quite correct. You get a BZ.

300 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:16pm

re: #294 UberInfidel67

**runs around the room screaming* TORA TORA TORA!

Up ding for the LOL of the day.

301 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:19pm

re: #293 BatGuano
Someone saw me on Facebook and asked if I was "Georges little sister". I am 41 damn years old! I haven't been a "little sister" in a looooong time. lol

302 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:20pm

re: #281 DEZes

If these puns keep up I am going to be a real spitfire.

303 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:23pm

re: #295 LGoPs

No, they dide on the Juneau the day after the Battle of Friday the13th. All 5 brothers dies and only 10 survived out of a 700 man crew.

Navy changed policy after that to not allow brothers to serve on the same ship.....


battle was off of Guadalcanal.....

304 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:23pm

Utter trivia: Battle of Penang, WWI, the German light cruiser Emden

Also WWI, German raider Seeadler, a three-masted windjammer which captured 16 Allied ships ... and seldom fired a shot.

305 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:24pm

re: #294 UberInfidel67

**runs around the room screaming* TORA TORA TORA!

You're Jewish?

306 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:14:55pm

re: #300 DEZes
Thank you kindly : )

307 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:01pm

re: #294 UberInfidel67

**runs around the room screaming* TORA TORA TORA!

Faster then a Screming Mimi!

308 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:03pm

re: #276 Soona'

Isn't that the battle where four of five Sullivan brothers were on the one ship when it was hit?

No, that was first night of the battle of Guadalcanal. And all five Sullivan brothers died when then Juneau was sunk. Despite the IJN was also hard hit in the battle and and the damaged BC Hiei was sunk by US aircraft the next day.

309 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:06pm

re: #295 LGoPs

No, they dide on the Juneau the day after the Battle of Friday the13th. All 5 brothers dies and only 10 survived out of a 700 man crew.

Navy changed policy after that to not allow brothers to serve on the same ship.....

Wasn't just the Navy. The entire Military changed.

310 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:14pm

re: #291 albusteve

the Sullivans

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ah! Thanks.

311 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:23pm

re: #301 UberInfidel67

Don't worry. I am the eldest and I am still known as the big brother. :p

312 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:25pm

re: #302 BlueCanuck

If these puns keep up I am going to be a real spitfire.

Better than a Hurricane....

313 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:27pm

::than::

314 madisonsfriend  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:32pm

I saw posters today in DC- Answer is planning another march. My question is since these are not advertisements but just posters slapped up here and there- is it legal for me to tear them down or "deface" them(slapping paint over them)

315 jorline  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:54pm

re: #287 Maximu§

My oldest boy (now in active duty with the US Army) grew up playing violent video games.....Ive seen him chop, shoot, blow up, punch, kick, run over, stab and chain-saw enemies to death.

Has it prepared him for the Apocalypse? I'm not sure, but we sure have alot of fun....I'm in my mid-40's and I used to have to go to the arcade to play stuff like this.

Ive been playing Gears of War 2 on Hardcore level for the last couple of weeks.

Code Pink Alert!
//

316 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:15:55pm

My brother also liked to run into a room and grab me and toss me to the floor while yelling INCOMING!

317 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:00pm

re: #298 albusteve
We had a video, taken from a UAV that was used for spotting the fall of shot, the poor damn Iraqis saw this thing, knew what was coming and came boiling out of their bunkers with anything white to wave. I mean, towels, shirts, skivys. etc.

318 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:02pm

Those pesky irresponsible big spending socialists on the right.
ahh - I mean Democrats.

319 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:07pm

Saving Private Ryan....whoa

320 BlueCanuck  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:11pm

re: #312 LGoPs

Better than a Hurricane....

Keep that up and I will bother you worse than a mosquito.

321 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:29pm
322 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:53pm

*whisper*
If the Aussie lizards are off-thread ... I'll mention the Kormoran.

323 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:16:58pm

re: #253 Soona'

Your puns are Bataan .500.

Yap, Yap, Yap...holds no Truk with me.

324 Intifan  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:17:34pm

re: #312 LGoPs

Better than a Hurricane....

Yeah, they often contain Thunderbolts.

325 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:17:47pm

re: #317 pingjockey

We had a video, taken from a UAV that was used for spotting the fall of shot, the poor damn Iraqis saw this thing, knew what was coming and came boiling out of their bunkers with anything white to wave. I mean, towels, shirts, skivys. etc.

I can only imagine...my dad remembered them shelling Tarawa before he went in and described it to me

326 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:17:49pm

01:49 U.S. to send terror suspects only to countries with clean human rights records (AP

And we are only going to send them with a clean change of underwear and a nice baggie lunch.

327 madisonsfriend  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:18:23pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

It may not have been legal for them to have been put up. There are laws against posting bills in most municipalities, even if they are seldom enforced.


I know in Maryland- we have laws about posting- not that they are always observed. If we get annoying posters in our neighborhood, people will check with the county- and if they are not legal, the county will remove them and fine the organization. I am not sure DC has that law or that they ever enforce it.

328 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:18:40pm
329 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:18:51pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

OR vice versa

330 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:01pm

re: #320 BlueCanuck

Keep that up and I will bother you worse than a mosquito.

Oh yeah. well I'll take care of your mosquito with a DeHavilland Moth.....

331 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:02pm

re: #302 BlueCanuck

If these puns keep up I am going to be a real spitfire.


Hey I went out with a hellcat once, just once. ;)

332 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:02pm

re: #323 rightymouse

Yap, Yap, Yap...holds no Truk with me.

You're missing The Point.

/obscure ... Peleliu ... bloody

333 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:12pm

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey
Mwahahaha! That's great!

334 Maximu§  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:37pm

is Fallout 3 any good?

335 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:19:44pm

re: #332 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're missing The Point.

/obscure ... Peleliu ... bloody

I'm reaching but I'm afraid this might be an Enigma!

336 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:20:25pm
337 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:20:28pm

re: #320 BlueCanuck

Keep that up and I will bother you worse than a mosquito.

heh...there isnt much worse than a Mosquito if you want to fuck somebody up

338 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:20:31pm

re: #335 Gus 802

I'm reaching but I'm afraid this might be an Enigma!

You just lack Enterprise (either one, the US carrier or UK cruiser).

339 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:20:46pm

re: #324 Intifan

Yeah, they often contain Thunderbolts.

Accompanied by Lightnings......

340 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:03pm

Purchased a wok, today... the Saipan

341 solomonpanting  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:19pm

All your plane talk makes me hungry for red baron pizza.

342 madisonsfriend  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:23pm

re: #328 buzzsawmonkey
I wasn't thinking of anything that smart or that difficult- I was thinking of a a giant paint marker to make a big X- or slash out lines or just ripping the poster down if I could(I was driving past so I couldn't see how securely they are pasted up). I did note that the one in front of Walter Reed was partially torn down.

The last time I encountered the Answer creeps in person I gave them the verbal finger.

343 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:50pm

re: #341 solomonpanting

All your plane talk makes me hungry for red baron pizza.

Spad idea...watch your fats!

344 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:54pm

re: #325 albusteve

I can only imagine...my dad remembered them shelling Tarawa before he went in and described it to me

And the @%#&$ cocoanut log bunkers withstood it.

345 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:21:55pm

re: #307 Gus 802

Faster then a Screming Mimi!

I was thinking more like a Banshee.

346 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:14pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

You just lack Enterprise (either one, the US carrier or UK cruiser).

Oh Boyd, I forgot about that.

347 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:17pm

I'm Guam'a smack you all.

348 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:49pm
349 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:54pm

re: #332 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're missing The Point.

/obscure ... Peleliu ... bloody

Yes, it was bloody. Dreadful, actually.

350 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:56pm

re: #347 pingjockey

THAT, is a DAMN good one.

351 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:22:58pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

No, that was first night of the battle of Guadalcanal. And all five Sullivan brothers died when then Juneau was sunk. Despite the IJN was also hard hit in the battle and and the damaged BC Hiei was sunk by US aircraft the next day.

But wasn't most of the combat events at sea around Guadalcanal considered the same battle. Especially in the initial stages?

352 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:23:06pm

re: #343 albusteve

Spad idea...watch your fats!

You fokker.......

353 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:23:20pm

re: #348 buzzsawmonkey

Midway through the thread and the punsters are still going strong.

We can keep going until the Overlord shows up.

354 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:24:17pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

No, that was first night of the battle of Guadalcanal. And all five Sullivan brothers died when then Juneau was sunk. Despite the IJN was also hard hit in the battle and and the damaged BC Hiei was sunk by US aircraft the next day.

Savo Island.

355 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:24:31pm

re: #347 pingjockey

I'm Guam'a smack you all.

That's Aprapos

356 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:24:47pm

re: #344 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And the @%#&$ cocoanut log bunkers withstood it.

yes indeed....my dad waded in with the third wave....crossfire from the pier...point blank heavy machine guns etc...the battle ships made little difference for all the ordnance they put on that heap of sand...small arms were like rain on the water

357 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:24:54pm

re: #353 Gus 802

We can keep going until the Overlord shows up.

Is he the one with the Husky voice?

358 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:25:14pm

re: #353 Gus 802

We can keep going until the Overlord shows up.

Or until the Enola goes Gay.

359 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:25:17pm

re: #352 LGoPs

You fokker.......

ha!

360 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:25:34pm

re: #316 UberInfidel67

My brother also liked to run into a room and grab me and toss me to the floor while yelling INCOMING!

I'm sure that Bawney Fwank has that done to him too.
//different context, of course.

361 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:25:46pm

re: #357 calcajun

Is he the one with the Husky voice?

Yeah, sounds like a Burp Gun.

362 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:25:53pm

re: #344 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you ever see an engineering drawing of those bunkers? Absolutely fantastic design. Some used no concrete, just sand, sand bags and logs. Had to hit them direct or do them in with shaped charges or flamethrowers. I don't think the public has any idea of how terrible war is. I think the WWII generation was the last to really understand.

363 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:01pm

Here is my submission: A great-uncle of mine really left Bismarck on the world.

364 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:05pm

re: #357 calcajun

Is he the one with the Husky voice?

Yup they used to write alot of Torch songs about him

365 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:16pm

re: #353 Gus 802

We can keep going until the Overlord shows up.

Nahh, Cgarles is probably splashing on some cologne and dresden to go out.

366 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:37pm

re: #358 ConservatismNow!

Or until the Enola goes Gay.

That should light the place the up

367 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:40pm

re: #360 Soona'
LMAO*******

368 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:43pm

re: #358 ConservatismNow!

Or until the Enola goes Gay.

Hmm, Enola did get her start in some Manhattan project.

369 Elcid  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:51pm

shit....cHarles

370 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:26:51pm

re: #351 Soona'

But wasn't most of the combat events at sea around Guadalcanal considered the same battle. Especially in the initial stages?

Yes, the Battle of Guadalcanal was a three-day affair.The battle ended when the Japanese battlecruiser Kirishima was sunk by 16" gunfire for the battleship USS Washington.

371 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:27:35pm

re: #360 Soona'

I'm sure that Bawney Fwank has that done to him too.
//different context, of course.

Wait! Wait! That came out really bad. My apologies.

372 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:27:54pm

re: #356 albusteve
My hats off to your dad.

373 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:27:57pm

re: #368 Gus 802

Hmm, Enola did get her start in some Manhattan project.

Didn't she go out with a fat man and have a little boy with him

374 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:27:58pm

re: #351 Soona'

But wasn't most of the combat events at sea around Guadalcanal considered the same battle. Especially in the initial stages?

No, there were multiple battles starting with savo Island which was a debacle. Lost 4 heavy cruisers to no Japanese ships lost.
then there was Batlle of the eastern Solomons - carrier battle protecting the island - end of Aug 42
Then came Cape esperance, an American victory off of Gudalcanal again.
Then First battle of Gudalcanal (aka friday the 13th). 'Barroom brawl with the lights shot out' as it was called by one participant
then 2nd Battle of Guad with the washington and South Dakota engaging a BB and heavy cruisers the next night.
Then Tassaforanga on the 30th of Nov - also off of Guadalcanal. An American disaster.
At the end of this the Sound off Guadalcanal was renamed Iron Bottom Sound due to all the sunken ships........

375 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:27:58pm

re: #371 Soona'
I caught your meaning. lol

376 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:28:02pm

re: #354 calcajun

Savo Island.

No, Savo Island was in August of 1942, while Guadalcanal was fought in November of the same year.

377 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:28:04pm

re: #362 pingjockey

Did you ever see an engineering drawing of those bunkers? Absolutely fantastic design. Some used no concrete, just sand, sand bags and logs. Had to hit them direct or do them in with shaped charges or flamethrowers. I don't think the public has any idea of how terrible war is. I think the WWII generation was the last to really understand.

squad action...pin them and maneuver...satchel and grenades, flame throwers and direct fire...move on

378 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:28:38pm

re: #349 rightymouse

Yes, it was bloody. Dreadful, actually.

Chesty Puller's First Marine Regiment was pulled out of the line on about the fifth day, after taking well over 500 casualties. A third of those were sustained by K Company, 3rd Bn., in taking and holding the Point.

379 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:28:42pm

re: #373 Nevergiveup

Didn't she go out with a fat man and have a little boy with him

Yep. Later she found out the fat man was a Tail Gunner.

380 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:28:57pm

re: #374 LGoPs
Are YOU my brother? Ya sound just like him. : )

381 Lincolntf  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:29:10pm

re: #326 Nevergiveup

Libya, Iran, Cuba and Russia are the tops in that category, apparently. Good luck, Gitmoids.

382 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:29:32pm

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

No, Savo Island was in August of 1942, while Guadalcanal was fought in November of the same year.

it went on for months...the Marines fought their asses off for that real estate

383 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:29:48pm

Forgot to add Santa Cruz - another carrier battle in October - again trying to protect Gudalcanal

384 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:29:59pm

re: #381 Lincolntf
More like "Gitroids"

385 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:30:02pm

re: #377 albusteve
I have so much respect for the infantry, be it marine or army. We had some recon marines aboard my tin can. Dudes were batshit crazy!

386 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:30:08pm
387 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:30:10pm

re: #372 pingjockey

My hats off to your dad.

yes...indeed, and many more

388 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:30:50pm

re: #356 albusteve

yes indeed....my dad waded in with the third wave....crossfire from the pier...point blank heavy machine guns etc...the battle ships made little difference for all the ordnance they put on that heap of sand...small arms were like rain on the water

*salute* to your Dad!

Mine enlisted in Dec. '39, but didn't get out into the island campaigns until Eniwetok (sp?, typing fast)

389 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:00pm

re: #380 UberInfidel67

Are YOU my brother? Ya sound just like him. : )

Ha......I only have 2 sisters.

maybe we're brothers from anotha mother.......

390 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:26pm

re: #386 buzzsawmonkey
Thanks, that is what I wanted to say and couldn't get the phrasing I wanted.

391 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:47pm

re: #382 albusteve

it went on for months...the Marines fought their asses off for that real estate

True, I was specifically referring to the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal. Please excuse my lack of clarity.

392 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:51pm
393 DEZes  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:52pm

Well gotta go, have a great evening all.

394 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:31:59pm

re: #378 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Chesty Puller's First Marine Regiment was pulled out of the line on about the fifth day, after taking well over 500 casualties. A third of those were sustained by K Company, 3rd Bn., in taking and holding the Point.

God bless our troops past and present.
What amazes me is that the violent enemy we faced then is now our ally.

395 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:32:14pm

re: #382 albusteve

it went on for months...the Marines fought their asses off for that real estate

Was just in Guadalcanal and the Solomons last November, on a scuba trip. Amazing place. Not much has happened since the war. People still make their homes in old abandoned war structures, and the shallow waters are full of stuff that the Americans just shoved off the docks because it would have cost too much to ship it home--upside down jeeps with the tires still intact, together with old coke bottles etc

396 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:32:17pm

re: #389 LGoPs
I'll have to ask my mother about those years she "refuses to talk about". lol And you only have two sisters? Well hell, I have a sister, so that makes us your two sisters! OMGWTF?

397 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #382 albusteve

it went on for months...the Marines fought their asses off for that real estate

For every piece of land held by the Japs in the Pacific. "the US can't fight a war on two fronts!" Pfft! My ass it can't! One branch took the Pacific (Navy) and the other branch took the Atlantic (Army).

398 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:32:56pm

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Respects to your father, and glad he made it through.

just a thing he did...he was my best friend ever and I miss him dearly

399 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:34:09pm

re: #395 dentate

Was just in Guadalcanal and the Solomons last November, on a scuba trip. Amazing place. Not much has happened since the war. People still make their homes in old abandoned war structures, and the shallow waters are full of stuff that the Americans just shoved off the docks because it would have cost too much to ship it home--upside down jeeps with the tires still intact, together with old coke bottles etc

Hallowed Ground....it was where it all started

400 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:34:16pm

re: #396 UberInfidel67

I'll have to ask my mother about those years she "refuses to talk about". lol And you only have two sisters? Well hell, I have a sister, so that makes us your two sisters! OMGWTF?

LoL......
:)

401 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:34:20pm

re: #394 rightymouse

What amazes me is that the violent enemy we faced then is now our ally.

Somewhat ... but true enough.

402 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:34:34pm
403 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:34:52pm

re: #397 ConservatismNow!
My bro and a bunch of other Marines rode with the Navy to Iwo Jima about 2 years ago just for the hell of it. He and his men put on all their gear? and ran up the beach....they way it was done in WW2. He said it was so damned hard to run up that beach with all their gear. He was amazed at how the others did it back then.

404 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:35:05pm

re: #394 rightymouse

God bless our troops past and present.
What amazes me is that the violent enemy we faced then is now our ally.

One of the few we have left also

405 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:35:25pm

re: #377 albusteve

squad action...pin them and maneuver...satchel and grenades, flame throwers and direct fire...move on

Vietnam was no cakewalk.

406 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:35:25pm

re: #397 ConservatismNow!
We didn't have a disloyal opposition then. Also the enemy was very clearly defined, wore uniforms, etc. Now, they don't wear uniforms, are a bunch of zealots and we can't say stuff about their religion beacause it isn't PC. Goddamn spoiled brats we've become.

407 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:36:05pm

re: #401 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Somewhat ... but true enough.


I doubt they'll ever rise up to be the kind of enemy we faced in WWII or commit the same kind of atrocities, i.e. what they did in China.

408 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:36:17pm

re: #402 buzzsawmonkey

I hear that; the tenth anniversary of my father's death comes up next week.

oh boy....good luck amigo....there is little worse than a boy without a father...time marches on and now I myself am that father I miss so much

409 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:36:47pm

re: #405 Soona'
Good Lord, no. We started with WWII puns and have went from there.

410 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:36:52pm

re: #406 pingjockey

We didn't have a disloyal opposition then. Also the enemy was very clearly defined, wore uniforms, etc. Now, they don't wear uniforms, are a bunch of zealots and we can't say stuff about their religion beacause it isn't PC. Goddamn spoiled brats we've become.

I hope we can survive this PC crap and come thru on the other side safe and sound?

411 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:37:06pm

re: #404 Nevergiveup

One of the few we have left also


I think our allies get the short stick when it comes to singing their praises.

412 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:37:29pm

re: #403 UberInfidel67

My wife's grandfather, mother's side, was a Marine Raider on Okinawa. One of the greatest men I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. After I got back from Iraq, I sent him an email telling him "Now I've got some stories for YOU!" Her grandfather on her dad's side was a Navy diver in WWII. He died before she was born, so she never got to meet him. I wish I could have as well.

413 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:37:29pm

re: #405 Soona'

Vietnam was no cakewalk.

I presume getting shot at never is

414 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:37:53pm

re: #388 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*salute* to your Dad!

Mine enlisted in Dec. '39, but didn't get out into the island campaigns until Eniwetok (sp?, typing fast)

My dad got caught up in the Phillipine campaign.

415 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:38:08pm

re: #284 pingjockey

We were onloading ammo at Seal Beach, Ca. Outside the Ops building they have 2 16" shells. I cannot imagine being on the receiving end of that. GWI we were on the gun line and Wisconsin was shooting at the Iraqis. Those shells would go over and it sounded like a freight train on steroids.

I served on the Newport News, call sign Thunder, and we could actually put more ordnance on a target per minute with our 8 inch guns then the New Jersey since they were automatic loads. No powder bags, just a big ass bullet and brass cartridge.

416 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:38:11pm

re: #407 rightymouse

I doubt they'll ever rise up to be the kind of enemy we faced in WWII or commit the same kind of atrocities, i.e. what they did in China.

That is true. The overtly feudal mindset is discredited.

417 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:38:25pm

re: #410 Nevergiveup
I refuse to surrender. RWR and Winston Churchill are 2 of my heroes and called a spade a spade. Me too.

418 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:38:57pm
419 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:39:41pm

re: #405 Soona'

Vietnam was no cakewalk.

Why bring that up?
Are you Khe Sahn the joint, or sumpthin'?

420 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:39:43pm

re: #411 rightymouse

I think our allies get the short stick when it comes to singing their praises.

Amen. Especially our eastern European friends.

421 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:40:12pm

Good presentation by Christopher Hitchens on Lou Dobbs program (defending the U.S. Constitution and Free Speech)...my only quibble, it was far too short in terms of time! (Lou Dobbs has a poll question about UN's attempt to curtail Free Speech.)

422 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:40:21pm

re: #419 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why bring that up?
Are you Khe Sahn the joint, or sumpthin'?

We should get a Hue from this topic, yes?

423 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:40:49pm
424 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:40:51pm

re: #420 Soona'

Amen. Especially our eastern European friends.

You mean the ones we are about throw to the Bear in order to curry favor with them commie bastards in ruskie land?

425 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:10pm

re: #412 ConservatismNow!

My wife's grandfather, mother's side, was a Marine Raider on Okinawa.

In the Sixth Marine Division?!?!

426 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:32pm

re: #419 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why bring that up?
Are you Khe Sahn the joint, or sumpthin'?

Hue, stop that......

427 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:38pm

re: #422 ConservatismNow!

We should get a Hue from this topic, yes?

Should come in like Rolling Thunder.

428 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:42pm

re: #415 avanti
Those darn cruisers were going away as I went in. 1977. Those gun cruiser were the shit. I know the marines probably aren't pleased that the biggest gun in the fleet is a 5 inch. Sheesh. The did build a prototype 8 inch for the Spruance class DDs but it shook the hell out of the foc'sle and raised hell with the electronics. It was shelved.

429 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:44pm

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is true. The overtly feudal mindset is discredited.


My Dad was in a Japanese concentration camp in China during WWII. Feudal doesn't even come close to describing the mentality.

430 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:41:48pm

re: #422 ConservatismNow!

We should get a Hue from this topic, yes?

Straighten up. We're Saigon in the middle.

431 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:42:23pm

re: #420 Soona'

Amen. Especially our eastern European friends.

You betcha.

432 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:42:35pm

re: #364 Nevergiveup

Yup they used to write alot of Torch songs about him

And he wore a Diadem to the Jubilee?

433 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:43:10pm

re: #414 Soona'

My dad got caught up in the Phillipine campaign.

Hopefully in the Return, not the first one.

434 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:43:24pm

re: #415 avanti

I served on the Newport News, call sign Thunder, and we could actually put more ordnance on a target per minute with our 8 inch guns then the New Jersey since they were automatic loads. No powder bags, just a big ass bullet and brass cartridge.

She was a grand ship to be sure. USS Newport News was the last 8" gunned Heavy Cruiser to be built anywhere. Last of the 3 ship Des Moines-class, her automatic 8" guns were a designed to overcome previous 8" guns slow rate of fire. Sadly, Newport News was broken up for scrap while her two sisters Des Moines, and Salem are still extant, with Salem having been turned into a museum ship .

435 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:43:59pm

re: #423 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks. I was fortunate in that despite a period of estrangement we were able to have an adult relationship based on mutual respect for the last ten years of his life. A great man and a brilliant man, if difficult.

yes...whatever it takes is whatever you must do...nothing ventured nothing gained...good for you

436 Truck Monkey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:44:00pm

re: #417 pingjockey

I refuse to surrender. RWR and Winston Churchill are 2 of my heroes and called a spade a spade. Me too.

RACIST! We are no longer able to call a spade a spade and forget about even mentioning a chimp. The is the dawning of the age of OBAMA.

437 lostlakehiker  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:44:03pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'd hardly call it a "duel", but yes ... it was.
"Duel" implies something of an even match.
Surigao was a massacre.

Was it the 2nd Santa Cruz where Washington and South Dakota got into it with a Japanese task force?

Naval battle of Guadalcanal wikipedia South Dakota suffered an own-goal that put her electrical systems out of operation. The Japanese took full advantage and she was heavily damaged without much chance to reply. Washington used her radar-ranged guns to good advantage and shot up Japanese BB Kirishima.

The Japanese were in a position of needing decisive victories and getting instead a mix of tactical victories and marginal defeats in the naval fighting during the Solomon islands campaign. The U.S. would go on to field four Iowa class battleships, (of which Missouri is most remembered), some 20 or 30 new carriers, and a host of smaller vessels. Although sheer weight of numbers would have made U.S. victory inevitable, by 1943 the balance of advantage had shifted to the Americans in terms of air crew skill, design quality of airplanes, and the skill with which commanders handled their assets.

438 BingoBunny  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:44:22pm

#386

not to sound too doom and gloom.. but those skills will never apply to anyone attacking us.. if we miss a few steps in the arms race.. its major splat our civilians time.

439 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:44:28pm

re: #416 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is true. The overtly feudal mindset is discredited.

There was a woman that worked in my department that was bad-mouthing what the US did to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I told her if she really wanted a rapt audience she should shout those same accusations on a street corner in downtown Nanking, China. She had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.

440 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:45:08pm

re: #428 pingjockey

Those darn cruisers were going away as I went in. 1977. Those gun cruiser were the shit. I know the marines probably aren't pleased that the biggest gun in the fleet is a 5 inch. Sheesh. The did build a prototype 8 inch for the Spruance class DDs but it shook the hell out of the foc'sle and raised hell with the electronics. It was shelved.

Yea, the last of the big guns and teak decks. Here she is (or was)

link

441 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:45:14pm

re: #418 buzzsawmonkey
Would there have been enough to do that? Both of my grandfathers,grandmothers and Great grandmothers said people were bloody mad after Dec. 7.

442 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:45:25pm

re: #429 rightymouse

My Dad was in a Japanese concentration camp in China during WWII. Feudal doesn't even come close to describing the mentality.

I have read, and seen photos.
Was he military or civilian when captured?

443 debutaunt  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:45:48pm

re: #422 ConservatismNow!

We should get a Hue from this topic, yes?

What are you people Tonkin about?

444 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:45:56pm

Why do I feel like I am the only girl here? Thats me, always hanging with the guys where the fun is. : )

445 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:46:08pm

re: #425 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That I am unsure of. He was in first Raider Battalion. I know that much. I had the esteemed pleasure of going with him to the opening of the WWII memorial in Washington DC and to the Marine Corps Museum on Quantico

446 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:46:18pm

re: #436 Truck Monkey
Spade, spade, chimp. chimp, orangutan, orangutan.

447 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:46:50pm

re: #419 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Why bring that up?
Are you Khe Sahn the joint, or sumpthin'?

(Sai) Gon.

448 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:47:04pm

re: #436 Truck Monkey

By March the United Nations General Assembly will bring in a binding resolution which will require member Nation States to put into effect laws which will make it a crime to blaspheme against religions (most notably, Islam).

449 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:47:18pm

re: #442 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have read, and seen photos.
Was he military or civilian when captured?


He was a child - not even in his teens. Civilian.

450 vxbush  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:47:26pm

re: #444 UberInfidel67

Why do I feel like I am the only girl here? Thats me, always hanging with the guys where the fun is. : )

That's because I'm lurking.

451 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:47:58pm

re: #415 avanti
The Newport News made it into a Tom Clancy book, Without Remorse, IIRC. Got it around here somewhere, along with all the rest of his.

452 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:48:15pm

re: #428 pingjockey

Those darn cruisers were going away as I went in. 1977. Those gun cruiser were the shit. I know the marines probably aren't pleased that the biggest gun in the fleet is a 5 inch. Sheesh. The did build a prototype 8 inch for the Spruance class DDs but it shook the hell out of the foc'sle and raised hell with the electronics. It was shelved.

honestly the Navy did little for the Marines in the Pacific...not for lack of effort but those island fights were beyond the pale...they did put point blank 5" fire on Mt Suribachi and shut down that face of the mountain...and at Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese gave us the beaches

453 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:48:38pm

re: #448 J.S.
It's defamation of religions...and only islam is mentioned specifically. The UN can kiss my ass. If I don't like someone or something, tough shit. It's like they are trying to make us eat veggies and are little kids.

454 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:48:42pm

On Lou Dobbs there was also the suggestion that it could become a "crime" to criticize suicide bombings in the name of Islam.

455 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:49:14pm

re: #450 vxbush
I do gotta say that I feel very safe with this bunch of men though. : )

456 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:49:32pm

re: #451 pingjockey

The Newport News made it into a Tom Clancy book, Without Remorse, IIRC. Got it around here somewhere, along with all the rest of his.

Yes. It was.

457 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:49:50pm
458 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:49:52pm

re: #449 rightymouse
Oh my. My grandpas buddy survived the Bataan Death March. I saw him after my first cruise in '80 and he talked a little. Horrifying doesn't come close.

459 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:50:07pm

re: #434 Dark_Falcon

... and Salem are still extant, with Salem having been turned into a museum ship .

Trivia ... Salem was used in the making of the British movie "Pursuit of the Graf Spee" (aka "The Battle of the River Platte")

460 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:50:48pm

re: #454 J.S.

On Lou Dobbs there was also the suggestion that it could become a "crime" to criticize suicide bombings in the name of Islam.

I won't critisize then. I'll just make fun of the assholes.

461 gmsc  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:50:49pm

OT: I just saw the creepiest ad from Volkswagen. Obviously, they're going for the 0bama supporter market:

462 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:51:16pm

re: #448 J.S.

By March the United Nations General Assembly will bring in a binding resolution which will require member Nation States to put into effect laws which will make it a crime to blaspheme against religions (most notably, Islam).

If that passes, the NYPD should remove every delegation who voted for the resolution, and drive them to JFK for deportation to where ever they came from. After that, we should withdraw from the UN, and hand their site in NYC over Donald Trump for redevelopment into something worthwhile.

463 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:51:18pm

re: #451 pingjockey

The Newport News made it into a Tom Clancy book, Without Remorse, IIRC. Got it around here somewhere, along with all the rest of his.

I did not know that, now I need to get the book, thanks.

464 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:51:39pm

re: #453 UberInfidel67

Right now, the Resolution about not "blaspheming against religion" is a Non-binding resolution...in March the UN wants to make that a binding resolution...I say, it's about time the UN is kicked out of the United States and relocated to any one of the numerous totalitarian dictatorships around the world. Get the United Nations OUT of the United States.

465 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:51:58pm

re: #452 albusteve

honestly the Navy did little for the Marines in the Pacific...not for lack of effort but those island fights were beyond the pale...they did put point blank 5" fire on Mt Suribachi and shut down that face of the mountain...and at Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese gave us the beaches

Navy Corpsmen might disagree with that assessment?

466 vxbush  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:52:04pm

re: #455 UberInfidel67

I do gotta say that I feel very safe with this bunch of men though. : )

Oh, definitely.

467 rightwinger3  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:52:13pm

re: #448 J.S.

By March the United Nations General Assembly will bring in a binding resolution which will require member Nation States to put into effect laws which will make it a crime to blaspheme against religions (most notably, Islam).

The United States won't stand for it. Funny thing that 1st Amendment...

468 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:52:51pm
469 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:53:00pm

re: #463 avanti
You're welcome. It's how Mr. Clark became Mr. Clark. If you've read any Tom Clancy you'll know him.

470 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:53:32pm

re: #454 J.S.

On Lou Dobbs there was also the suggestion that it could become a "crime" to criticize suicide bombings in the name of Islam.

by who?....what country?

471 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:53:37pm

UN Resolution:

[Link: www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk...]

472 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:53:40pm

re: #463 avanti

I did not know that, now I need to get the book, thanks.

Was my summery of the Des Moines-class accurate, avanti?

473 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:54:12pm

re: #467 rightwinger3

I really don't know about that with The Zero in power right now...again, it would be a binding resolution (work against it, and there'd be "sanctions" applied.)

474 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:54:15pm

re: #465 Nevergiveup
You want to win a bar bet? Ask what is the most decorated rating in the Navy. Corpsmen of course.

475 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:54:25pm

re: #467 rightwinger3

The United States won't stand for it. Funny thing that 1st Amendment...

Ha! I wouldn't be surprised if we did go along with it.

That said, may I pimp my new blog, just this one time. It's a first foray, and if I am breaking Charles' rules, please let me know.

http://patrioticbeauty.blogspot.com/

476 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:54:37pm

The only religion actually mentioned in the document (PDF download) is Islam, of course. Here’s para 9:

Stresses the need to effectively combat defamation of all religions
and incitement to religious hatred, against Islam and Muslims in particular;

477 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:00pm
478 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:09pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey
That is a very ugly scenario. Sooner or later we wouldv'e had to fight Japan.

479 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:13pm

re: #468 buzzsawmonkey

Between the rightwing isolationists and the leftwing peaceniks who controlled the actual production of the plants that produced the war material, if Hitler had not invaded Russia it is unlikely that American industry would have gotten foursquare behind the war effort. We would have fought for a while, then--after "proportional response" sufficient to assuage domestic anger--would have probably cut a deal with the Japanese regarding spheres of influence in the Pacific, and would not have gotten into the European conflict at all.

Sorry I can't agree with that. FDR had enough of a grasp on the left to keep them in check and he would have still wanted Japan beaten.

480 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:15pm

re: #465 Nevergiveup

Navy Corpsmen might disagree with that assessment?

of course...I was talking about reducing the enemies ability to kill Marines...Navy Corpman are the stuff of legend

481 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:17pm

re: #445 ConservatismNow!

That I am unsure of. He was in first Raider Battalion. I know that much. I had the esteemed pleasure of going with him to the opening of the WWII memorial in Washington DC and to the Marine Corps Museum on Quantico

Holy Shit!

That put him in the 4th Marines -- the "New Fourth", formed in 1944 by consolidating the Raider battalions. My Dad was never in one of the Raider Bns, but IIRC, he WAS in the 4th on Okinawa.

482 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:27pm

re: #471 UberInfidel67

UN Resolution:

[Link: www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk...]

Another mandate from the sports shirt wearing hucksters at the UN.

483 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:55:43pm

re: #458 pingjockey

Oh my. My grandpas buddy survived the Bataan Death March. I saw him after my first cruise in '80 and he talked a little. Horrifying doesn't come close.


He doesn't like to talk about it very much, if at all. Suffice to say, from what he HAS told me, that as a child he saw adult Chinese males being used for bayonet practice, among other things.

484 rightwinger3  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:56:22pm

re: #473 J.S.

I really don't know about that with The Zero in power right now...again, it would be a binding resolution (work against it, and there'd be "sanctions" applied.)

It's the President's sworn duty to defend the constitution. I don't give a crap who the President is, he has to do that. They can sanction the hell out of us.

485 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:56:38pm

re: #475 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

You should link it to your nic.

486 pink freud  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:56:45pm

re: #461 gmsc

OT: I just saw the creepiest ad from Volkswagen. Obviously, they're going for the 0bama supporter market:

"the people"

/we are the ones we have been waiting for ...

gak

487 acwgusa  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #448 J.S.

By March the United Nations General Assembly will bring in a binding resolution which will require member Nation States to put into effect laws which will make it a crime to blaspheme against religions (most notably, Islam).

They can pass it. Let them try to enforce it. Our slobbering leftists in this country notwithstanding.

488 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:57:06pm

re: #477 buzzsawmonkey
I read "A Torch to the Enemy". It was an account of the firebombing of the Japanese cities. Many many more people were killed than in the 2 A bomb drops.

489 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:57:11pm

re: #480 albusteve

of course...I was talking about reducing the enemies ability to kill Marines...Navy Corpman are the stuff of legend

I figured you did, just kidding. But the dam Japanese were dug 30 feet under ground. We didn't have bunker busters just yet.

490 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:57:16pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

Was my summery of the Des Moines-class accurate, avanti?

Hell, probably better then mine would have been. I'm impressed that you knew so much about my old ship. Are you a Navy history buff ?

491 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:57:58pm

re: #481 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Holy Shit!

That put him in the 4th Marines -- the "New Fourth", formed in 1944 by consolidating the Raider battalions. My Dad was never in one of the Raider Bns, but IIRC, he WAS in the 4th on Okinawa.

My dad was with the 4th but on Iwo

492 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:58:06pm

re: #458 pingjockeye

Oh my. My grandpas buddy survived the Bataan Death March. I saw him after my first cruise in '80 and he talked a little. Horrifying doesn't come close.

A meat salesman who sold to my dad's store took me aside one day and told me about his experience on that march and his imprisonment. He talked all afternoon. My dad, I guess, wondered where I'd been for so long (I was working) came back to where we were, and when he listened and found out what the salesman was telling me, turned around and went back into the store. I guess it was time I started to face reality.

493 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:58:29pm

what a joke...the federal govt cannot impose it's will on me, let alone the UN

494 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:58:34pm

re: #475 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Ha! I wouldn't be surprised if we did go along with it.

That said, may I pimp my new blog, just this one time. It's a first foray, and if I am breaking Charles' rules, please let me know.

http://patrioticbeauty.blogspot.com/

We want pictures!

495 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:58:50pm

re: #482 Gus 802

Again I say...the UN can kiss my ass. Twice.

496 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:59:49pm

re: #491 Nevergiveup

My dad was with the 4th but on Iwo

I recall you mentioning that a few days ago.
That would put him in the 4th Marine Division.

497 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 4:59:59pm

re: #464 J.S.

Right now, the Resolution about not "blaspheming against religion" is a Non-binding resolution...in March the UN wants to make that a binding resolution...I say, it's about time the UN is kicked out of the United States and relocated to any one of the numerous totalitarian dictatorships around the world. Get the United Nations OUT of the United States.

In a couple of years it'll be there. And it won't have to move an inch.

498 Nevergiveup  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:00pm

re: #487 acwgusa

They can pass it. Let them try to enforce it. Our slobbering leftists in this country notwithstanding.

It wouldn't mean shit anyway until something like that got passed by congress. Kinda like that kyoto bullshit crap. Of course with this congress and President?

499 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:12pm

re: #491 Nevergiveup

My dad was with the 4th but on Iwo

the 4th was put together because the 2nd was totally shot to pieces on Saipan (my dads div)...he was out of the fight at Iwo, thank god

500 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:17pm

re: #495 UberInfidel67

Again I say...the UN can kiss my ass. Twice.

Hey I just noticed that China signed on. What a joke.

Free Tibet!

/

501 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:24pm

re: #495 UberInfidel67

Again I say...the UN can kiss my ass. Twice.

The UN needs a separation of church and state resolution, not this crap to coddle Islam.

502 vxbush  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:28pm

Gotta go put the son to bed, and myself. Later, everyone.

503 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:40pm
504 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:43pm

re: #458 pingjockey

Oh my. My grandpas buddy survived the Bataan Death March. I saw him after my first cruise in '80 and he talked a little. Horrifying doesn't come close.

My dad's cousin was a Bataan survivor.

505 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:51pm

re: #484 rightwinger3

It's the President's sworn duty to defend the constitution. I don't give a crap who the President is, he has to do that. They can sanction the hell out of us.

I agree it's his duty but I have little faith in the left's interpretation of duty. And I also have little faith in Obama's interpretation of the Constitution........

506 FrogMarch  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:55pm

re: #471 UberInfidel67

UN Resolution:

[Link: www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk...]

So it's ok for Muslims to chop off heads. But it's not ok if we put those head-choppers to death. Doesn't fit the proper proggie bleeding heart model.

507 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:00:58pm

re: #498 Nevergiveup
We'll have to change our battlecry from I Will NOT SUBMIT to I WILL NOT COMPLY

508 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:01:14pm

re: #485 Killgore Trout

You should link it to your nic.

How do I do that?

509 dentate  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:01:23pm

re: #457 buzzsawmonkey

Be careful, you will reveal your secret identity with quotes like that

510 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:01:31pm

re: #494 Alouette

We want pictures!

Will do soon!

511 rightwinger3  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:01:37pm

re: #501 avanti

The UN needs a separation of church and state resolution, not this crap to coddle Islam.

The U.N. needs to GTF away.

512 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:01:43pm

re: #483 rightymouse

He doesn't like to talk about it very much, if at all. Suffice to say, from what he HAS told me, that as a child he saw adult Chinese males being used for bayonet practice, among other things.

Yes, that did happen. An old WWII history book purchased by my grandfather (father's side) showed a pair of photos the Japanese had of two of their men doing just that. My father's father did not fight in WWII. Though he was only 29 when Pearl Harbor was bombed, he was entirely ethnic German and was thus regarded with suspicion by the local draft board (one of whom told him that he looked like a model SS man). He wasn't interned, though.

513 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:02:01pm

re: #501 avanti

The UN needs a separation of church and state resolution, not this crap to coddle Islam.

pffft...the UN is merely trying to advance it's deadly criminal agenda

514 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:02:42pm

re: #504 Alouette
Thanks.

515 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:03:08pm

re: #492 Soona'

e

A meat salesman who sold to my dad's store took me aside one day and told me about his experience on that march and his imprisonment. He talked all afternoon. My dad, I guess, wondered where I'd been for so long (I was working) came back to where we were, and when he listened and found out what the salesman was telling me, turned around and went back into the store. I guess it was time I started to face reality.

Read Donald Knox' "Death March"--all told from first-hand accounts of survivors. It's a book which will make you hate the Japanese of that era.

516 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:03:23pm

re: #513 albusteve But keep in mind the One worships at the altar of the UN.

517 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:03:28pm

Fears of Hopenchange increase torture at Gitmo....
Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama

"According to my clients, there has been a ramping up in abuse since President Obama was inaugurated," said Ghappour, a British-American lawyer with Reprieve, a legal charity that represents 31 detainees at Guantanamo.

"If one was to use one's imagination, (one) could say that these traumatized, and for lack of a better word barbaric, guards were just basically trying to get their kicks in right now for fear that they won't be able to later," he said.

"Certainly in my experience there have been many, many more reported incidents of abuse since the inauguration," added Ghappour, who has visited Guantanamo six times since late September and based his comments on his own observations and conversations with both prisoners and guards.

He stressed the mistreatment did not appear to be directed from above, but was an initiative undertaken by frustrated U.S. army and navy jailers on the ground.

518 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:04:24pm

re: #508 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Enter the url in the space for "website" right above the comment box.

519 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:05:00pm

re: #515 calcajun

Read Donald Knox' "Death March"--all told from first-hand accounts of survivors. It's a book which will make you hate the Japanese of that era.

Thanks.

"My Hitch in Hell" by Lester Tenney is one I would suggest.

520 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:05:02pm

re: #490 avanti

Hell, probably better then mine would have been. I'm impressed that you knew so much about my old ship. Are you a Navy history buff ?

Somewhat. My information is from M.J. Whitley's Cruisers of World War Two: An International Encyclopedia. It's a book I own that has entries for every class of cruiser that faught or was laid down during the war, even those that were not completed till after the war.

521 HelloDare  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:05:23pm

Link to replay of Mark Steyn interview coming up on Hugh Hewitt's radio show. Link at upper left of the page. Starts at around 5:06 pm Pacific.

522 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:06:41pm

re: #484 rightwinger3

Yes. I would hope the United States stands up against this nonsense....(here in Canada we are much more vulnerable -- no real constitutional protections as such, and Canada has a law against blasphemy still on the books -- in the criminal code, although not enforced at the present time.) Lou Dobbs stated that he wouldn't be at all surprised to discover Americans running about exclaiming about what a great idea (not allowing "blasphemy") that would be, even though it'd be in clear violation of the First Amendment...

523 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:06:44pm

re: #513 albusteve

pffft...the UN is merely trying to advance it's deadly criminal agenda

Why. Hasn't everybody heard? It's the "New World Order"!
(spit!)

524 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:06:57pm

re: #503 buzzsawmonkey

re: #479 Dark_Falcon

I could be wrong about the US not pushing for Japan's defeat, but we would certainly not have gotten involved in sending troops to Europe had the Soviet Union not been threatened--and had Hitler been intelligent enough to not declare war on us.

His doing so was particularly boneheaded. There was a lot of sentiment in this country that Europe was "not our fight"--some of it general isolationism, some of it from memories of WWI, and much of it, as I said, from the fact that Hitler and Stalin were pals until Hitler broke the treaty.

Remember that the Communists were anti-Nazi during the Spanish Civil War, but became aggressively pacifist when the Hitler-Stalin Pact was signed. All the peacenik stuff you remember from the Sixties, or echoes of the Sixties, got its first big run during the anti-interventionist sentiments expressed by the Communists in the period between the Pact and its abrogation.

The Communist-run unions would have tied up the American industrial effort with strikes and work to rule if we had gone against Hitler while he was still Russia's ally.

That is probably true.

525 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:07:10pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Fears of Hopenchange increase torture at Gitmo....
Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama

In one instance a guard stuck his tongue out and put his fingers in his ears and waggled them at a detainee. The detainee is undergoing intense therapy.
In another incident a guard made a snarky face at a detainee....repeatedly.

526 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:07:17pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout
Good.

527 pingjockey  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:08:25pm

BBIAB, never ending laundry. 3 boys, doncha know!

528 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:08:45pm

re: #499 albusteve

Grandpa Joe took some shrapnel from a grenade on Okinawa. He's still got it in his head to this day. He's not blood related but I love that man to death. He's the only guy in my family on both sides who can truly relate to what I've done.

529 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:08:48pm

"King Rat" is a good "fictional" account.

530 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:09:04pm

re: #525 LGoPs "Not so big and bad without that bomb vest on, are ya asshole?" LMAO

531 J.S.  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:09:40pm

re: #525 LGoPs

There are already law suits agains the U.S. government with the former Gitmo detainees suing on the grounds that they "were tortured! tortured!" they're expecting to get millions in compensation for any guards' rude behavior.

532 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:10:02pm
533 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:10:14pm

Well, I'll be sticking in here with you all. I was planning to go to a late service at church, but my throat is sore and I think I have a fever, so I'm going to stay home, as I may be contagious.

534 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:10:56pm

re: #528 ConservatismNow!

Grandpa Joe took some shrapnel from a grenade on Okinawa. He's still got it in his head to this day. He's not blood related but I love that man to death. He's the only guy in my family on both sides who can truly relate to what I've done.

my dad had three pieces of Japanese iron in his torso the remainder of his life...three jagged scares

535 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:11:06pm

re: #528 ConservatismNow!

Grandpa Joe took some shrapnel from a grenade on Okinawa. He's still got it in his head to this day. He's not blood related but I love that man to death. He's the only guy in my family on both sides who can truly relate to what I've done.

This is your wife's grandfather, who was a Raider?

536 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:11:08pm

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

Tradition. In the days of the Shogunate--which is to say, until Commodore Perry opened Japan in the 19th century--it was customary to test swordblades on condemned prisoners. Easy cut was severing the hand; the most difficult, through the pelvis and spine. High-quality blades could go through several bodies.

And particularly snarky prisoners would swallow rocks just to nick up the blade. One last poke in the eye at the establishment.

537 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:11:10pm

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

Somewhat. My information is from M.J. Whitley's Cruisers of World War Two: An International Encyclopedia. It's a book I own that has entries for every class of cruiser that faught or was laid down during the war, even those that were not completed till after the war.

You should have written me in 1968, and I'd have bought you a extra cruise book. (If you were born in 68) :)

538 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:11:32pm

re: #535 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Indeed.

539 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:12:11pm

re: #518 Killgore Trout

Enter the url in the space for "website" right above the comment box.

DOH!

540 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:13:16pm

Wow...technology is soo cool!

541 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:13:25pm

re: #531 J.S.

There are already law suits agains the U.S. government with the former Gitmo detainees suing on the grounds that they "were tortured! tortured!" they're expecting to get millions in compensation for any guards' rude behavior.

IIRC members of the US miltary cannot sue the government. It would be an outrage to allow these terrorists to do what US personnel cannot.
And the lawyers should not be allowed any fees on damages if these suits do come to trial. That would be the quickest way to dry up these suits........

542 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:13:40pm

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

Tradition. In the days of the Shogunate--which is to say, until Commodore Perry opened Japan in the 19th century--it was customary to test swordblades on condemned prisoners. Easy cut was severing the hand; the most difficult, through the pelvis and spine. High-quality blades could go through several bodies.

The top sword makers in Japan made very high quality blades, it is true. Many could indeed cut through bone with ease. Beautiful weapons, sad that they were used to such evil ends.

543 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:14:42pm

re: #538 ConservatismNow!

Indeed.

Did you see this reply up-thread? #481 pre-Boomer Marine brat
He and my Dad were in the same Regiment on Okinawa.

544 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:14:51pm

re: #533 Dark_Falcon

Well, I'll be sticking in here with you all. I was planning to go to a late service at church, but my throat is sore and I think I have a fever, so I'm going to stay home, as I may be contagious.

Well I updinged you.. I hope you feel better soon...
Be of good spirits...
/oh to answer you from like a 1000 posts ago..I don't know anything about board games..I played monopoly once...Mech Warrior is a great video game..how it came about? The hoopster pleads ignorance..common refrain I'm afraid.
Regards

545 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:15:05pm

Oh God, this has become a WWII thread and that is the area of history I love the most. And I gotta get a project done. Dammit.

OK, real fast:

1. FDR did not know in advance about Pearl harbor--he did not jst "let it happen"

2. There was never any chance of relieving the Philippines--those troops were doomed from the start (MacArthur made it worse by trying to defend the beaches)

3. Hitler's Operation: Sea Lion would have never worked (look at the logistics of Overlord)

4. A cross-channel invasion into France in 1942 would not have worked

5. Strategic bombing was a failure.

6. Germany could have won the war at several points, but was doomed after 1941.

7. Dropping the A-bomb was the right move.

8. Stopping at the Elbe was the wrong move.

9. No one has ever really caught the significance of the CBI Theater of War.

10. There ought to be a monument to General von Cholditz, the last German garrison commander of Paris--and the French should have a holiday in his name.

I could go on, but talk amongst yourselves. I gotta work.

546 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:15:07pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Fears of Hopenchange increase torture at Gitmo....
Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama

Cell floor has an arrow pointing to Mecca.

At same link: U.S. soldier must wear helmet and visor as protection from the feces hurled by the chimpanzees terrorists poor innocent lonely goatherds.

547 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:15:36pm

re: #515 calcajun

Read Donald Knox' "Death March"--all told from first-hand accounts of survivors. It's a book which will make you hate the Japanese of that era.

It's kind of like when I was in the military, getting ready for my tour in Germany, I had wanted to see many of the WWII battle sites and was looking foward to actually seeing all those historical areas. A woman that I knew that had lived there before told me to enjoy Germany and it's culture until it was time to come back. She instructed me that if I wanted to see any of the concentration camps (Dachau) that I should visit them during my last week in country. I now know why she told me that.

548 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:15:52pm

re: #529 Gus 802

"King Rat" is a good "fictional" account.

James Clavell was raised in Changi Prison.

549 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:16:14pm

re: #537 avanti

You should have written me in 1968, and I'd have bought you a extra cruise book. (If you were born in 68) :)

No, I wasn't born until 1977. I gained my interest in WWII stemming from a November 1989 article in National Geographic about the discovery of the German battleship Bismarck.

550 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:16:35pm

re: #543 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Oh yeah I did see that. Small world, ain't it?

551 avanti  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:16:47pm

re: #543 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Did you see this reply up-thread? #481 pre-Boomer Marine brat
He and my Dad were in the same Regiment on Okinawa.

Reminds me the the question I got from a sweet old lady. "My grandson is in the Navy, do you know him ? "

552 ArmyWife  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:17:01pm

Evening group! What are we talking about?

553 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:17:24pm

re: #545 calcajun

Oh God, this has become a WWII thread and that is the area of history I love the most. And I gotta get a project done. Dammit.

OK, real fast:

1. FDR did not know in advance about Pearl harbor--he did not jst "let it happen"

2. There was never any chance of relieving the Philippines--those troops were doomed from the start (MacArthur made it worse by trying to defend the beaches)

3. Hitler's Operation: Sea Lion would have never worked (look at the logistics of Overlord)

4. A cross-channel invasion into France in 1942 would not have worked

5. Strategic bombing was a failure.

6. Germany could have won the war at several points, but was doomed after 1941.

7. Dropping the A-bomb was the right move.

8. Stopping at the Elbe was the wrong move.

9. No one has ever really caught the significance of the CBI Theater of War.

10. There ought to be a monument to General von Cholditz, the last German garrison commander of Paris--and the French should have a holiday in his name.

I could go on, but talk amongst yourselves. I gotta work.

I'd add that if the fleet had gotten some advance notice of the Pearl Harbor attack, and had sortied...the loss of life would have been much higher. The BB's were vulnerable and sinking in blue water would have killed many more than did die.

554 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:17:52pm

re: #549 Dark_Falcon
Heh. My great uncle wrested control of the Bismarck from the captain who froze up. Kinda makes it easy to guess my last name though. lol

/True

555 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:18:25pm
556 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:18:29pm

re: #553 LGoPs

I'd add that if the fleet had gotten some advance notice of the Pearl Harbor attack, and had sortied...the loss of life would have been much higher. The BB's were vulnerable and sinking in blue water would have killed many more than did die.

Sometimes, the fleet lay at anchor in the anchorage outside of Pearl--which is 200' deep. All of those ships would have been lost.

557 lobo91  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:18:37pm

re: #517 Killgore Trout

Fears of Hopenchange increase torture at Gitmo....
Exclusive: Lawyer says Guantanamo abuse worse since Obama

I think this is the key quote from that article:

"If one was to use one's imagination, (one) could say that these traumatized, and for lack of a better word barbaric, guards were just basically trying to get their kicks in right now for fear that they won't be able to later," he said.

In other words, "I have no friggin' clue about what's actually happening, but Reuters' audience will believe any anti-American propaganda I send them."

558 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:19:10pm

re: #544 HoosierHoops

Well I updinged you.. I hope you feel better soon...
Be of good spirits...
/oh to answer you from like a 1000 posts ago..I don't know anything about board games..I played monopoly once...Mech Warrior is a great video game..how it came about? The hoopster pleads ignorance..common refrain I'm afraid.
Regards

I think the two games are related. MechWarrior 2, 3, and 4 are all directly related to Battletech (now called Classic Battletech, a board game I still play). Thank you for your sympathy and kind words.

559 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:19:11pm

re: #554 UberInfidel67

Heh. My great uncle wrested control of the Bismarck from the captain who froze up. Kinda makes it easy to guess my last name though. lol

/True

Something Irish? Tell me I'm wrong.//

560 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:00pm

re: #559 calcajun
Gee, you are wrong. lol

561 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:01pm

re: #532 buzzsawmonkey

Tradition. In the days of the Shogunate--which is to say, until Commodore Perry opened Japan in the 19th century--it was customary to test swordblades on condemned prisoners. Easy cut was severing the hand; the most difficult, through the pelvis and spine. High-quality blades could go through several bodies.


Charming.

562 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:09pm

re: #550 ConservatismNow!

Oh yeah I did see that. Small world, ain't it?

Heh, gets even smaller.

jwb7605 and I served on the same aircraft carrier during late-Vietnam. He was on her about 2 years after I left. His berthing compartment was about 50 feet aft of the avionics shop I had worked in.

563 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:20:45pm

re: #545 calcajun

What about the Battle of the Hurtgen Forrest? Mistake right?

564 ArmyWife  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:21:02pm

New thread - evolution, if you dare.


(actually, I'm glad to see some of the names on the list - there is hope, the good kind)

565 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:21:30pm

re: #560 UberInfidel67

Gee, you are wrong. lol

Korean?
///

566 Soona'  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:22:03pm

Gotta go. Later.

567 lobo91  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:22:10pm

re: #551 avanti

Reminds me the the question I got from a sweet old lady. "My grandson is in the Navy, do you know him ? "

I've gotten questions like that more than once, myself, when I stop at the grocery store in uniform on the way home or something.

568 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:22:31pm

re: #565 Gus 802
Yep. There was a ton of Koreans fighting with the Germans on the Bismarck.

///

569 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:22:50pm

re: #551 avanti

Reminds me the the question I got from a sweet old lady. "My grandson is in the Navy, do you know him ? "

"What's his name, ma'am?"
"oh ... uh ... er ... well, ah ... *gulp* ... no, ma'am, I don't"

/and then desperately tries to make an excuse to leave the room...

570 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:23:59pm

re: #561 rightymouse

Charming.

I had to put down Brady's book "Flyboys" when started equating the Japanese of the 1930's and 40's with the Americans who settled the west, and that more Americans were like John Chivington of Sand Creek Massacre infamy than not. Americans may have been brutal to the native Americans, but they did not have beheading contests like those after the fall of Nanking.

571 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:24:28pm

re: #554 UberInfidel67

Heh. My great uncle wrested control of the Bismarck from the captain who froze up. Kinda makes it easy to guess my last name though. lol

/True

Your name is Lindemann?

572 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:25:06pm

re: #571 Dark_Falcon
Give that man a cookie.

573 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:25:21pm

re: #570 calcajun

I had to put down Brady's book "Flyboys" when started equating the Japanese of the 1930's and 40's with the Americans who settled the west, and that more Americans were like John Chivington of Sand Creek Massacre infamy than not. Americans may have been brutal to the native Americans, but they did not have beheading contests like those after the fall of Nanking.

You too! Yes, thank you. Same here. I finished it but damn.

574 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:25:33pm

The other side of the family is worse...ever hear of Tito?

575 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:26:18pm

re: #574 UberInfidel67

The other side of the family is worse...ever hear of Tito?

Your last name is Jackson?

576 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:26:25pm

Still trying to find out if I am related to the lead singer of Rammstien though.

577 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:26:55pm

re: #575 ConservatismNow!
ROFLMAO********** Don't tell my secret internet identity!

578 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:27:25pm

re: #571 Dark_Falcon

Your name is Lindemann?

That was the name of Bismark's captain.

579 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:27:48pm

Ernst

580 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:27:49pm

re: #574 UberInfidel67

The other side of the family is worse...ever hear of Tito?

Puente?

581 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:29:06pm

re: #580 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Puente?

I saw him once. Damn he was good.

582 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:29:13pm

re: #579 UberInfidel67

Ernst

Hemingway?

583 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:30:29pm

Yes...to all of them.

584 UberInfidel67  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:31:21pm
585 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:31:36pm

re: #570 calcajun

I had to put down Brady's book "Flyboys" when started equating the Japanese of the 1930's and 40's with the Americans who settled the west, and that more Americans were like John Chivington of Sand Creek Massacre infamy than not. Americans may have been brutal to the native Americans, but they did not have beheading contests like those after the fall of Nanking.

Native Americans were brutal to the settlers here too. And that wasn't caused by anything we taught them. They had a history of tribe against tribe brutality before we ever set foot here.

What the Japanese did in China and other parts of the world during WWII was (as buzzsaw pointed out) from what they knew culturally and what was condoned by their own military and Emperor Hirohito. I doubt they thought about it for a second.

586 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:31:49pm

re: #563 Gus 802

What about the Battle of the Hurtgen Forrest? Mistake right?

there were Germans in the Hurtgen and that was the business of the US Army....killing Germans...judge for yourself

587 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:33:02pm

re: #563 Gus 802

We showed them trees a thing or two. Should have bypassed the whole thing.

Cripes, this place is addicting.

OK--real fast again. Since the public today seems to think that this country never had a military screw-up until Vietnam and that all wars are scripted by Hollywood, here's a list of uniquely American blunders from WWII

1. Kasserine Pass
2. Anzio
3. Not asking anyone how big the hedgerows were in the Norman Bocage countryside.
4. Leaving all winter gear on the Normandy Beaches because "the war will be over by Christmas" (that one belongs to Gen. Bradley)
5. B-17's don't need fighter escort
6. The advance through the Voseges Mountains in France
7. Lt. Gen. Clark's decision to take Rome instead of cutting off the line of retreat for the whole German Army in Italy
8. No tanks can move through the Ardennes (not only a mistake-but we repeated a FRENCH mistake)
9. Pelilu
10. Attu
11. Kiska--all three did not need to be taken
12. Market-Garden

back to work...really

588 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:33:06pm

re: #581 Gus 802

I saw him once. Damn he was good.

Ah the good life ... (IIRC, and don't mix up/combine the in-ports,) there was a night in the Navy in the 60's when I went to North Beach. Cal Tjader was at the El Matador (I think that was the club's name), Cannonball was at the Jazz Workshop, and the MJQ was at Basin Street West.

589 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:34:20pm

re: #573 Gus 802

I might pick it up again. I hate not finishing books. It took me nearly a year to get through "At Dawn We Slept".

590 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:44pm

'Citizen Soldiers' is one of the best books ever written about our fight with Germany...S Ambrose

591 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:35:49pm

re: #587 calcajun

We showed them trees a thing or two. Should have bypassed the whole thing.

Cripes, this place is addicting.

OK--real fast again. Since the public today seems to think that this country never had a military screw-up until Vietnam and that all wars are scripted by Hollywood, here's a list of uniquely American blunders from WWII

1. Kasserine Pass
2. Anzio
3. Not asking anyone how big the hedgerows were in the Norman Bocage countryside.
4. Leaving all winter gear on the Normandy Beaches because "the war will be over by Christmas" (that one belongs to Gen. Bradley)
5. B-17's don't need fighter escort
6. The advance through the Voseges Mountains in France
7. Lt. Gen. Clark's decision to take Rome instead of cutting off the line of retreat for the whole German Army in Italy
8. No tanks can move through the Ardennes (not only a mistake-but we repeated a FRENCH mistake)
9. Pelilu
10. Attu
11. Kiska--all three did not need to be taken
12. Market-Garden

back to work...really

Good list. Too many people know next to nothing about WWII. I can mention the Battle of Midway and get blank stares. Making matters even worse is the fact that Chicago's second airport is named after that battle!

592 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:36:09pm

re: #585 rightymouse

But Brady was writing as though there was some moral equivalence between the two; that the Japanese were only exercising their manifest destiny as we had a century earlier. I disagreed with that point and stopped reading.

593 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:36:40pm

re: #588 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ah the good life ... (IIRC, and don't mix up/combine the in-ports,) there was a night in the Navy in the 60's when I went to North Beach. Cal Tjader was at the El Matador (I think that was the club's name), Cannonball was at the Jazz Workshop, and the MJQ was at Basin Street West.

That quite a line up. Tito is up there with one of the few greats I saw/heard live.

594 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:36:54pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Good list. Too many people know next to nothing about WWII. I can mention the Battle of Midway and get blank stares. Making matters even worse is the fact that Chicago's second airport is named after that battle!

And it's main one is named after a hero of that battle; Butch O'Hare.

595 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:37:07pm

re: #585 rightymouse

Not to mention that Japanese caste system placed foreigners lower than Hinin, which was reserved for people who handled the dead, tanners, butchers, as well as ninja. Nanbaijin were completely outside (and below) of the Japanese caste system.

596 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:37:33pm

re: #590 albusteve

'Citizen Soldiers' is one of the best books ever written about our fight with Germany...S Ambrose

Agreed. Loaned mine out--never got it back.

597 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:37:50pm
598 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:38:23pm

re: #592 calcajun

But Brady was writing as though there was some moral equivalence between the two; that the Japanese were only exercising their manifest destiny as we had a century earlier. I disagreed with that point and stopped reading.

That's what almost stopped me in my tracks. This was either before or after I read "Flags of Our Fathers" which to me read more like a "tell all" or gossip revolving around the three men that put the flag up on Iwo Jima. The movie also left a lot to be desired.

599 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:38:37pm

I just can't see a thread like this one being written 10 years from now, not with this type of thing happening...

Students in the state where Paul Revere made his famous ride and the shot heard 'round the world was fired will not yet have to pass high-stakes history exams to get their high school diplomas.

The Massachusetts Board of Education voted Tuesday to delay a plan to add history and social science to the slate of state exams students must pass to graduate, citing state budget cuts and the grim economic outlook.

600 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:39:42pm

re: #599 Killer Tomato

I just can't see a thread like this one being written 10 years from now, not with this type of thing happening...

We are doomed. Our history is being erased and re-written.

601 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:01pm

re: #591 Dark_Falcon

Good list. Too many people know next to nothing about WWII. I can mention the Battle of Midway and get blank stares. Making matters even worse is the fact that Chicago's second airport is named after that battle!

*blink blink*
Y'mean something other than the starship Enterprise?
*blink blink*
Yur not talkin' about the car rental company, are you?
*blink blink*
Duh

/

602 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:40:57pm

re: #600 calcajun

We are doomed. Our history is being erased and re-written.

Pretty much. In 50 years they will be telling the conspiracy theories as history. Hence they'll be teaching that we started WWII. That Japan attacked the USA because of the blockade/embargo, etc.

603 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:41:23pm

re: #592 calcajun

But Brady was writing as though there was some moral equivalence between the two; that the Japanese were only exercising their manifest destiny as we had a century earlier. I disagreed with that point and stopped reading.

there were six flag raisers...it was an excellent account of that fight imo...I did not see the movie

604 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:20pm

re: #603 albusteve

Flags of our Fathers was a good book. I was talking about "Flyboys"

605 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:39pm

re: #603 albusteve

reply to 598....bad fu

606 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:55pm

re: #594 calcajun

And it's main one is named after a hero of that battle; Butch O'Hare.

True. Thankfully, Chicago has not forgotten entirely. A restored F4F Hellcat can be seen in Terminal 2 at O'Hare today. It was recovered from Lake Michigan (where it had been used for Carrier Landing Training) and after restoration it was painted in the colors of O'Hare's squadron. One of Richard M. Daley's better actions as Chicago's Mayor: Honest, respectful, and helpful to the public (that the people may remember their past, and learn why it matters).

607 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:42:58pm

re: #604 calcajun

Flags of our Fathers was a good book. I was talking about "Flyboys"

That would be me.

608 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:02pm
609 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:03pm

re: #603 albusteve

I loved the movie. I haven't seen Letters from Iwo Jima, but apparently it's better than Flags of our Fathers. It's incredibly sad how all three of them ended up. That should not have been how their story ended.

610 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:36pm

re: #602 Gus 802

Pretty much. In 50 years they will be telling the conspiracy theories as history. Hence they'll be teaching that we started WWII. That Japan attacked the USA because of the blockade/embargo, etc.

Revisionists have already tried that.
IIRC, the name of one of them began with an "N".

/BA History, Asian ... please be nice and don't ask how long ago

611 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:43:51pm

re: #602 Gus 802

Pretty much. In 50 years they will be telling the conspiracy theories as history. Hence they'll be teaching that we started WWII. That Japan attacked the USA because of the blockade/embargo, etc.

Kids think that now.

It's beyond pathetic.
The other day my nephew asked me what got us out of the Great Depression? I said, "that depends - do you want the story your teacher gave you, or the truth?"

612 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:37pm

re: #592 calcajun

But Brady was writing as though there was some moral equivalence between the two; that the Japanese were only exercising their manifest destiny as we had a century earlier. I disagreed with that point and stopped reading.

I disagree too. If you go way back in colonial times in New England, the restraint shown by our colonists in battle was remarkable in the face of an enemy who showed no quarter, including the slaughter of innocent women and children.

The Japanese had to be taught by the western civilized world to rid themselves of their barbaric ways.

There's no moral equivalency between the old ingrained Japanese culture and what happened on the battlefields in the 1800's or earlier here in America.

613 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:44:49pm

re: #609 ConservatismNow!

I loved the movie. I haven't seen Letters from Iwo Jima, but apparently it's better than Flags of our Fathers. It's incredibly sad how all three of them ended up. That should not have been how their story ended.

those are just moments frozen in time for combat vets....they move on and generally life does not revolve around those times...certainly not in all cases

614 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:45:23pm

re: #610 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Revisionists have already tried that.
IIRC, the name of one of them began with an "N".

/BA History, Asian ... please be nice and don't ask how long ago

Norman -- he thought all history could be explained by economics

615 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:45:51pm

re: #595 ConservatismNow!

Not to mention that Japanese caste system placed foreigners lower than Hinin, which was reserved for people who handled the dead, tanners, butchers, as well as ninja. Nanbaijin were completely outside (and below) of the Japanese caste system.


Women weren't thought of much, either.

616 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:46:47pm

re: #611 Killer Tomato

Kids think that now.

It's beyond pathetic.
The other day my nephew asked me what got us out of the Great Depression? I said, "that depends - do you want the story your teacher gave you, or the truth?"

Or beyond pathetic. Some of what they teach is not just from the conspiracy files but almost straight out of the propaganda handbook of the Axis powers. Some of which is prescribed for modern day supremacist groups.

617 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:47:34pm

re: #613 albusteve

I forget the names but I know Ira Hayes was an alcoholic and died from it. One of the other ones tried to call up some of the businessmen who offered him a job when he was famous and they all turned him down. He was stuck being a school janitor for the rest of his life.

618 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:48:07pm
619 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:48:34pm

re: #599 Killer Tomato

I just can't see a thread like this one being written 10 years from now, not with this type of thing happening...

I'll still be here in 10 years, or at least I plan to be. And history has not wholly been forgotten. You would be heartened if you came to Games Plus in Mt. Prospect, IL, where I regularly play board games. History is a frequent topic there and most of the gamers do have a proper working knowledge of history. We are a small minority, to be sure, but most of us have educated several other people about history. I share your fears, and I work to prevent them from becoming real.

620 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:49:26pm

re: #615 rightymouse

Women weren't thought of much, either.

True, but women were within the caste system though. A noblewoman was still a noblewoman.

621 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:49:29pm

Iwo Jima flag raisers

[Link: www.iwojima.com...]

622 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:50:43pm

re: #617 ConservatismNow!

I forget the names but I know Ira Hayes was an alcoholic and died from it. One of the other ones tried to call up some of the businessmen who offered him a job when he was famous and they all turned him down. He was stuck being a school janitor for the rest of his life.

Hayes was a mess and I think he was found beaten face down on some lonely street? The businessman died of a heart attack if I remember correctly at a rather young age. Gagnon.

Brady had a normal life and died not so long ago.

623 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:50:48pm

re: #619 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I volunteer my time demonstrating American history.
I guess we all do what we can where we are.

624 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:51:01pm

re: #612 rightymouse

I disagree too. If you go way back in colonial times in New England, the restraint shown by our colonists in battle was remarkable in the face of an enemy who showed no quarter, including the slaughter of innocent women and children.

The Japanese had to be taught by the western civilized world to rid themselves of their barbaric ways.

There's no moral equivalency between the old ingrained Japanese culture and what happened on the battlefields in the 1800's or earlier here in America.

Final comment--in all fairness, I have a hard time believing that out of garrisons of 20,000 men or more, that sometimes less than 200 Japanese soldiers were taken prisoner because the rest fought to the death. I recall seeing an old Marine training film where the instructor said, "if you have to take any chance to take a Jap prisoner, you don't take him." I know that many fought to the death or participated in suicidal charges, but I am convinced that many more wanted to surrender and get "three hots and a cot" than were actually taken prisoner--they were either murdered or never given a chance to surrender.

625 lobo91  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:52:21pm

re: #602 Gus 802

Pretty much. In 50 years they will be telling the conspiracy theories as history. Hence they'll be teaching that we started WWII. That Japan attacked the USA because of the blockade/embargo, etc.

I remember reading a column by someone a few years back about a visit to the Arizona memorial, where he spoke to a couple of college students about WWII.

One of them told him that she thought the Japanese were completely justified in attacking Pearl Harbor, because we had dropped atom bombs on their cities.

626 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:52:29pm

re: #624 calcajun

Final comment--in all fairness, I have a hard time believing that out of garrisons of 20,000 men or more, that sometimes less than 200 Japanese soldiers were taken prisoner because the rest fought to the death. I recall seeing an old Marine training film where the instructor said, "if you have to take any chance to take a Jap prisoner, you don't take him." I know that many fought to the death or participated in suicidal charges, but I am convinced that many more wanted to surrender and get "three hots and a cot" than were actually taken prisoner--they were either murdered or never given a chance to surrender.

little do you know...believe it or not most Japanese fought to the death...it is well documented

627 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:52:57pm

re: #620 ConservatismNow!

True, but women were within the caste system though. A noblewoman was still a noblewoman.

Didn't matter. She could still have her head whacked off if she displeased a man or forced to commit seppuku.

Honor systems like that really suck.

628 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:53:44pm

re: #625 lobo91

I remember reading a column by someone a few years back about a visit to the Arizona memorial, where he spoke to a couple of college students about WWII.

One of them told him that she thought the Japanese were completely justified in attacking Pearl Harbor, because we had dropped atom bombs on their cities.

Oh brother. I think someone had their chronology mixed up. Just think, this person might have children and teach them their version of history. A legacy in the making.

629 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:54:21pm

re: #620 ConservatismNow!

True, but women were within the caste system though. A noblewoman was still a noblewoman.

Heh, tell her about The Hidden Fortress.
The closing scene ... heh heh heh!

630 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:54:31pm
631 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:54:54pm

re: #625 lobo91

wow. Though...at least she knew the events that began and ended the war. She just had them backwards.

632 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:55:27pm

re: #627 rightymouse

Didn't matter. She could still have her head whacked off if she displeased a man or forced to commit seppuku.

Honor systems like that really suck.

Yep, and they imprison women in Islamic countries even unto this very day.

633 ConservatismNow!  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:55:42pm

re: #627 rightymouse

Indeed they do.

634 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:55:45pm

re: #624 calcajun

Final comment--in all fairness, I have a hard time believing that out of garrisons of 20,000 men or more, that sometimes less than 200 Japanese soldiers were taken prisoner because the rest fought to the death. I recall seeing an old Marine training film where the instructor said, "if you have to take any chance to take a Jap prisoner, you don't take him." I know that many fought to the death or participated in suicidal charges, but I am convinced that many more wanted to surrender and get "three hots and a cot" than were actually taken prisoner--they were either murdered or never given a chance to surrender.

I have but five words ... the civilian population of Saipan.

635 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:56:24pm

re: #630 buzzsawmonkey

You must be too young to remember the Japanese soldiers who came out of the jungles on several Pacific islands in the 1960s and 1970s, who were still fighting the war.

No joke.

No, it's not a joke. The last Japanese soldier to surrender did not do so until 1990.

636 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:57:28pm
637 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:57:59pm

re: #626 albusteve

ask yourself this...why did the Japanese have such an inferior battle rifle?...why were they renouned with the bayonet?....these guys were utterly fearless...they died by the boatload because they needed to...to be taken prisoner was the worst thing imaginable to them...

638 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 5:59:39pm

re: #626 albusteve

I know a hell of a lot-- and not to the extent of 200 out of 20K men were captured when we captured 10x that number of Germans (and lots more Italians). maybe not much more, but the risks of taking a Japanese prisoner were so great that often, you see them stripped naked in the stockade before being handed over to the provost--just to make sure there were no grenades in their straps. I'm not saying our troops were unjustified--the actions and the orders of the Japanese High Command made it very difficult for their troops to safely surrender.

639 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:00:04pm

re: #563 Gus 802

What about the Battle of the Hurtgen Forrest? Mistake right?

re: #594 calcajun

And it's main one is named after a hero of that battle; Butch O'Hare.

It's in the nature of war to make mistakes.

Actually Butch flew off the Lexington and earned his MOH during a raid in the South Pacific (near Rabaul I think) in Feb of '42. I think he was stateside being touted as a hero when Midway went down in June.
Not trying to sharpshoot........
:)
:)

640 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:00:09pm

re: #624 calcajun

Final comment--in all fairness, I have a hard time believing that out of garrisons of 20,000 men or more, that sometimes less than 200 Japanese soldiers were taken prisoner because the rest fought to the death. I recall seeing an old Marine training film where the instructor said, "if you have to take any chance to take a Jap prisoner, you don't take him." I know that many fought to the death or participated in suicidal charges, but I am convinced that many more wanted to surrender and get "three hots and a cot" than were actually taken prisoner--they were either murdered or never given a chance to surrender.

When you're in the heat of battle with people who prefer death to life culturally, you're not going stop and ask which ones prefer 'three hots and a cot'.

641 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:00:20pm

re: #637 albusteve

ask yourself this...why did the Japanese have such an inferior battle rifle?...why were they renouned with the bayonet?....these guys were utterly fearless...they died by the boatload because they needed to...to be taken prisoner was the worst thing imaginable to them...

That's because when they were issued the rifles they all looked down and saw...

"Made in Japan"

///

Sorry I couldn't resist.

642 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:00:48pm

re: #632 Dark_Falcon

Yep, and they imprison women in Islamic countries even unto this very day.


We should take this to heart.

643 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:00:56pm

re: #634 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I have but five words ... the civilian population of Saipan.

Again--a populace absolutely terrified by their leaders so that they saw no way to surrender. I've seen the movies and read the accounts--heartbreaking.

644 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:01:00pm
645 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:01:24pm

re: #635 Dark_Falcon

No, it's not a joke. The last Japanese soldier to surrender did not do so until 1990.

IIRC, he was reported as knowing that there had been a surrender, but he had been afraid to give himself up. In his day, he would have been disgraced by not having died in defense of the Empire. Knowing nothing of the post-war changes in Japan, he thought he'd have to commit hari-kiri upon his return to Japan. I recall an article describing his pleasant surprise.

646 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:01:38pm

re: #624 calcajun

Final comment--in all fairness, I have a hard time believing that out of garrisons of 20,000 men or more, that sometimes less than 200 Japanese soldiers were taken prisoner because the rest fought to the death. I recall seeing an old Marine training film where the instructor said, "if you have to take any chance to take a Jap prisoner, you don't take him." I know that many fought to the death or participated in suicidal charges, but I am convinced that many more wanted to surrender and get "three hots and a cot" than were actually taken prisoner--they were either murdered or never given a chance to surrender.

After what Japan did, in many cases (such as Mindanao) it would have been impossible to order prisoners taken. Japan's atrocities put her enemies into a killing rage when they were discovered, and in many cases that meant that any Japanese encountered would be killed without mercy.

647 lobo91  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:01:52pm

re: #628 Gus 802

Oh brother. I think someone had their chronology mixed up. Just think, this person might have children and teach them their version of history. A legacy in the making.

She's probably a high school history teacher today.

648 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:02:20pm

re: #639 LGoPs

It's in the nature of war to make mistakes.

Actually Butch flew off the Lexington and earned his MOH during a raid in the South Pacific (near Rabaul I think) in Feb of '42. I think he was stateside being touted as a hero when Midway went down in June.
Not trying to sharpshoot........
:)
:)

Yeah, I know. I'm not big on 20/20 hindsight exercises for my own personal goals. Now a military historian and trainer that might be a different story. I personally see Market Garden for example as a tactical failure yet it created a strategic success however small.

649 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:02:51pm

re: #630 buzzsawmonkey

You must be too young to remember the Japanese soldiers who came out of the jungles on several Pacific islands in the 1960s and 1970s, who were still fighting the war.

No joke.

Oh, I do remember reading the stories. Again, they were products of a command structure that made it almost impossible to surrender.

650 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:31pm

re: #638 calcajun

I know a hell of a lot-- and not to the extent of 200 out of 20K men were captured when we captured 10x that number of Germans (and lots more Italians). maybe not much more, but the risks of taking a Japanese prisoner were so great that often, you see them stripped naked in the stockade before being handed over to the provost--just to make sure there were no grenades in their straps. I'm not saying our troops were unjustified--the actions and the orders of the Japanese High Command made it very difficult for their troops to safely surrender.

at Iwo the last remaining Japanese fought it out to the death on the north end of the island...it was a huge problem all throughout the Pacific...I don't know what to tell you...read more I guess

651 rightymouse  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:42pm

Off to be a telly-tubby now. Later.

652 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:54pm

re: #649 calcajun

Oh, I do remember reading the stories. Again, they were products of a command structure that made it almost impossible to surrender.

They would get killed regardless.

653 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:03:56pm

re: #646 Dark_Falcon

Don't disagree. The Filipinos and Vietnamese didn't take many Japanese prisoners .

654 albusteve  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:05:06pm

re: #649 calcajun

Oh, I do remember reading the stories. Again, they were products of a command structure that made it almost impossible to surrender.

bullshit...study Shintoism for a start

655 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:05:53pm

re: #645 pre-Boomer Marine brat

IIRC, he was reported as knowing that there had been a surrender, but he had been afraid to give himself up. In his day, he would have been disgraced by not having died in defense of the Empire. Knowing nothing of the post-war changes in Japan, he thought he'd have to commit hari-kiri upon his return to Japan. I recall an article describing his pleasant surprise.

That was not the case with the last Japanese officer to surrender, whose name I cannot recall. He surrendered in 1989, only after a former commanding officer of his had sent his a written order to do so. Surprisingly, he made a successful transition to the modern world and now lives on his ranch in Brazil with his wife and 2 children.

656 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:06:49pm

re: #638 calcajun

I know a hell of a lot-- and not to the extent of 200 out of 20K men were captured when we captured 10x that number of Germans (and lots more Italians). maybe not much more, but the risks of taking a Japanese prisoner were so great that often, you see them stripped naked in the stockade before being handed over to the provost--just to make sure there were no grenades in their straps. I'm not saying our troops were unjustified--the actions and the orders of the Japanese High Command made it very difficult for their troops to safely surrender.

Fundamental cultural data:
The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, Ruth Benedict
Available on Amazon

657 Killer Tomato  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:08:26pm

re: #655 Dark_Falcon

Hiroo Onoda

658 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:09:32pm

The interesting point I see is not that mistakes were made in previous wars. As said earlier by calcajun, mistakes are in the nature of war.
What is notable is the historical illiteracy of the American people and the recent caterwauling about not having uparmored HMMVVs for example.
War is a come as you are exercise and HMMVV's were never intended as fighting vehicles. They are soft skinned and as such vulnerable to the IED attacks we faced.
We responded, as best as we could but the screaming from the left was ignorant and un-informed. By their standard every successful leader in the past should have been cashiered, e.g.:
- MacArthur for getting caught with his bombers on the ground in the Philippines a full 8 hours after the raid on Pearl
- Eisenhower for incorrectly interpreting the aerial reconnaissance photos of the Normandy hedgerows
- The entire Allied command for failing to miss the build-up for the Ardennes counteroffensive
- Halsey for leaving the Philippines undefended during the invasion
- I could go on and on.
People fuck things up. Of course the left never does.
/ Bastards

659 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:12:12pm

re: #658 LGoPs

Ack! December 16, 1944!

660 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:12:36pm

re: #650 albusteve

at Iwo the last remaining Japanese fought it out to the death on the north end of the island...it was a huge problem all throughout the Pacific...I don't know what to tell you...read more I guess

I've read Sledge and Jones and others. You didn't give them the chance to surrender--there was always the chance that one of them would pull a grenade or just come at you. Our troops did not have much choice in the matter. Orders; clear a cave. Let's see, send in five guys with a flashlight or use a flamethrower tank, toss in a couple of satchel charges THEN send in the five guys with a flashlight. Plan B wins. That's what we were reduced to. In brief, you chose "either them or me."

There is a scene in Wouk's War and Remembrance where the sub captain, Aster, orders his men to open fire on Japanese troops who have abandoned the transport Aster has just torpedoed. The men comply and essentially massacre the survivors in the water and the lifeboats. This was based on a true incident, for which the skipper was neither commended nor disciplined. Those troops, if rescued, would have kept fighting. Horrible as it sounds, it was war.

Gotta run, gang.

661 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:13:18pm

re: #656 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fundamental cultural data:
The Chrysanthemum and the Sword, Ruth Benedict
Available on Amazon

The Chrysanthemum and the Sword describes the various levels of obligation in pre-WWII Japanese society, and their role in forming the fight-to-the-last-man mindset of those Japanese who bought into the hyper-nationalistic militarist mindset.

662 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:13:55pm

re: #659 Gus 802

Ack! December 16, 1944!

I love the twin Mustangs in your avatar......
:)

663 calcajun  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:14:03pm

re: #661 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Chrysanthemum and the Sword describes the various levels of obligation in pre-WWII Japanese society, and their role in forming the fight-to-the-last-man mindset of those Japanese who bought into the hyper-nationalistic militarist mindset.

which was not all of them...

Bye now.

664 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:14:17pm

re: #657 Killer Tomato

Hiroo Onoda

Oops about the surrender date. I did read that he did in fact move to Brazil and still lives there on a ranch he bought.

665 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:15:17pm

re: #662 LGoPs

I love the twin Mustangs in your avatar......
:)

Thanks, I took that photo last June. I see you have Ike talking to the Airborne before the Normandy landings.

666 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:16:15pm

re: #663 calcajun

which was not all of them...

Bye now.

True. Not all of them.
That's why I added italics at the end of the sentence.
Believe me, the Japanese Army, by and large, bought into it.
The Navy was somewhat another story.

667 Gus  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:16:18pm

... Of course this would be December 5, 1944 since Airborne went in first after midnight.

668 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:16:52pm

re: #665 Gus 802

Thanks, I took that photo last June. I see you have Ike talking to the Airborne before the Normandy landings.

Yup. Little Groups of Paratroopers.......

669 woccam  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:19:55pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

I'm always impressed by the comedic acting from the folks at the Onion. SNL should take lessons.

Yes. SNL should feel ashamed. Onion videos are the funniest work I've seen for years.

670 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:22:50pm

I'm out for the night.
Everyone have a great evening!

671 LGoPs  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:38:34pm

re: #667 Gus 802

... Of course this would be December 5, 1944 since Airborne went in first after midnight.

Actually, June 5th, 1944.......

672 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 6:40:57pm

re: #660 calcajun

I've read Sledge and Jones and others. You didn't give them the chance to surrender--there was always the chance that one of them would pull a grenade or just come at you. Our troops did not have much choice in the matter. Orders; clear a cave. Let's see, send in five guys with a flashlight or use a flamethrower tank, toss in a couple of satchel charges THEN send in the five guys with a flashlight. Plan B wins. That's what we were reduced to. In brief, you chose "either them or me."

There is a scene in Wouk's War and Remembrance where the sub captain, Aster, orders his men to open fire on Japanese troops who have abandoned the transport Aster has just torpedoed. The men comply and essentially massacre the survivors in the water and the lifeboats. This was based on a true incident, for which the skipper was neither commended nor disciplined. Those troops, if rescued, would have kept fighting. Horrible as it sounds, it was war.

Gotta run, gang.

I believe that was Dealy on the Wahoo. The boat was lost later, so there was no chance to court-martial; he was too good a skipper to stop during the war.

673 yy  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 8:02:36pm

What's up with that dig at Jews at the end of the video?

That's a little weird/disappointing, etc. I (think I) have a sense of humor, but that one misses me.

Hmmmmm.

674 wiffersnapper  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:37:36pm

Violent gory games, can't get enough of 'em!

675 Cobdenite  Wed, Feb 25, 2009 11:39:14pm

Why walk, when you can fly? With Jet!

/FO2

676 Throbert McGee  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 2:45:18am

re: #673 yy

What's up with that dig at Jews at the end of the video?

That's a little weird/disappointing, etc. I (think I) have a sense of humor, but that one misses me.

Erm, it wasn't a dig at Jews. It was a variation on the "you think YOUR mother is an expert at inducing guilt, let me tell you about MY mom" theme that has been a staple of Jewish humor since before Moses.

677 yy  Thu, Feb 26, 2009 10:29:48am

re: #676 Throbert McGee

I am familiar with the Jewish guilt thing (trust me). It was probably written by Jews, but I still don't find it funny.

If it makes you feel better, I didn't laugh at the Spanish Inquisition scene in History of the World Part I or the anti-Jewish remarks made in the Borat clips I saw on YouTube.

Oh well. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

As far as the 'Jewish guilt" thing being a joke since before the time of Moses, I must say that I disagree.

This really became a big joke in America in the 1900's. Most Jews before that, and many since then, would never say anything negative about their parents (even if it is true). It's that whole "honor your father and mother" thing (not to mention the prohibitions against a) idle talk; b) slander; c) defamation; d) cursing your parents; and e) talebearing).

Man! Do Jews know how to have fun, or what!?

Be well.

678 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Feb 27, 2009 5:30:26am

This thread and the ignorance of alot of people about history reminds me of the film "Idiocracy" when they go to the time machine Charlie Chaplin is depicted as the leader of the Nazi Party, where dinosaurs were used to wage war and the U.N. "Un-Nazied the world forever". Thats a very scary thought!


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