At Glenn Beck Tea Party: ‘Burn the Books!’

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At a “Project 912 Glenn Beck Tea Party,” an unnamed speaker rants about “infiltration by the Communist Party” (a John Birch Society talking point), says that digital cable boxes are “brainwashing machines” planted in our homes by the government, and swears to stop paying taxes. The rant begins at about 1:58.

This is some really deranged stuff, and the audience is eating it up.

And notice the comment about evolution at about 5:00:

Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah…”

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717 comments

1 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:21am

Uh oh. It seemed like such a good idea.

2 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:20:55am

Looks like the Tea Party people need to switch to decaf.

3 Mr. In get Mr. Out  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:21:18am

Damn fools.

4 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:32am

*facepalm*

5 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:36am

Wingnuts on the Right, moonbats on the Left....It's hard to know where the middle is, or even if I want to be in the middle of this craziness.

6 Phocid  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:40am

The right is having the same problems as the left, infiltration by loons. The left welcomed the loons with open arms (Code Pink, Michael Moore etc). What will the right do?

7 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:22:43am

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

8 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:00am

Maybe Keg parties would attract a more balanced and fun crowd?

9 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:38am
“infiltration by the Communist Party” (a John Birch Society talking point),

Not to mention (exaggerated but) disturbing historical reality.
These days, of course, it isn't infiltration of government by a foreign power, but of cultural institutions by idealogues.

10 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:51am

re: #8 Nevergiveup

Maybe Keg parties would attract a more balanced and fun crowd?

TOGA PARTY!

11 Diamond Bullet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:23:56am

Where's the tea?

12 PISSED  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:08am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I'M HERE! / raises hand

13 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:11am

re: #5 Ringo the Gringo

Wingnuts on the Right, moonbats on the Left....It's hard to know where the middle is, or even if I want to be in the middle of this craziness.

Above, stay above it all. Remain always enlightened, rational, sane.

14 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:20am

Fahrenheit 451 anyone?

15 Daria Emmons  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:36am

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

16 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:49am

No marketing!?

17 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:24:59am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

Here.

18 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:28am

Helping or hurting, Glenn? Helping or hurting?

19 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:30am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

The problem is that they were given airtime and the audience was allowed to respond in such a way as to show that they agreed with them: demonstrating the kinds of people who attend these kind of events.

20 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:39am

This makes conservatives look bad.

21 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:25:52am

re: #17 reine.de.tout

Here.

Right beside ya.

22 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:03am

I WANT fluoride in my water.

23 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:21am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

How about the organizers? Have you not been paying attention lately?

24 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:47am

re: #20 NYCHardhat

This makes conservatives look bad.

Understatement of the year!

25 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:48am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

Glenn Beck is nuts.

26 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:26:52am

re: #22 Son of the Black Dog

I WANT fluoride in my water.

And Chemtrails in my skies!

/;-P

27 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:10am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

Does "Glenn Beck" mean anything to you?

28 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:23am

"Video not available" it says for me. Hmmmm.

29 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:28am

re: #24 Fat Jolly Penguin

Understatement of the year!

I tried to be subtle. I tend to be very aggressive.

30 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:33am

re: #27 Jimmah

Does "Glenn Beck" mean anything to you?

Over paid?

31 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:44am

re: #22 Son of the Black Dog

I WANT fluoride in my water.

What about your precious bodily fluids?

32 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:51am

Lets have a LGF Tea Party. Charles picks the speakers, I select the venue, reine is in charge of the food and red is the bar tender.

33 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:27:52am

This is a time when a strong, balanced stance from the conservatives could capitalize on the deterioration of the Obama-hype as reality sets in and his policies show us what he really has planned. We could have another "Contract with America" or something and turn this liberal slip around.

But, instead, we have a vacuum being filled by the fringe. John Birch Society? That would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

34 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:17am

re: #5 Ringo the Gringo

Wingnuts on the Right, moonbats on the Left....It's hard to know where the middle is, or even if I want to be in the middle of this craziness.

Picture yourself standing off both sides. However, "bare is brotherless back", and your back won't be bare. Granted, it'll be a sister, but you can't have everything.

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:32am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

So you think this is unusual?

I promise you, it is not.

But feel free to go back to sleep while people are screaming about burning books. What could go wrong?

36 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:41am

Glen Beck does a lot more harm than good. His exterme comments, crying and addled behavior is disturbing.

37 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:48am

re: #7 Erik The Red

Here.

38 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:51am

re: #22 Son of the Black Dog

I WANT fluoride in my water.

I WANT carcinogenic levels of chlorine in my water.

39 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:56am

Why do I get the idea that these people are in it because it makes them feel very very good inside?

If so, what does that say about them ... as persons?

40 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:28:59am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Lets have a LGF Tea Party. Charles picks the speakers, I select the venue, reine is in charge of the food and red is the bar tender.

If Charles doesn't play guitar..I'm not going!
/

41 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:02am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Lets have a LGF Tea Party. Charles picks the speakers, I select the venue, reine is in charge of the food and red is the bar tender.

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

42 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:37am

looks more like a koolaid party

43 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:38am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Afraid of "Tea bags"?


/please don't hurt me

44 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:47am

Um, yeah....

45 TypicalWhiteLiberal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:29:57am

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

46 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:12am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?

It is not a shock that some unknown nutter attended the Tea Party event. The question is whether the named speakers are nutters who espoused this type of stuff.

If it were just one unknown nutter, then the rest should shout them down, with cries of "NO!". But I don't see that.

I can foresee violence at some of these events.

47 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:14am

Not sure if the Tea Party in question here was actually attended by Beck. He encourages folks who have signed up for the The 912 Project to do whatever it takes, book clubs, tea parties, etc...

These parties are happening because of the 912 Project but what is said there is not necessarily run by the Beck people...

The things that come out of some people's mouth that are ateending these things are insane...

48 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:40am

Where was this tea party held? I can't find any info about it at the Youtube posting.

49 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:43am

re: #20 NYCHardhat

This makes conservatives look bad.

Because we've let these people get away with calling themselves conservatives

50 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:46am

Maybe it's time for a new political party - the Sanity Party.

51 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:30:59am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Well we have has a suggestion for a Keg and Toga Party?

52 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:00am

re: #46 Ward Cleaver

If it were just one unknown nutter, then the rest should shout them down, with cries of "NO!". But I don't see that.

I can foresee violence at some of these events.

The crowd applauded her when she screamed "Burn the books!"

53 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:01am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Don't like tea?

/

54 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:13am

re: #33 Dainn

strong, balanced stance from the conservatives

That doesn't play well in the media.
/

55 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:15am

The worst thing about these crazies is not their deranged rantings, it's that it drowns out the real and legitimate criticisms of what the Obama Administration is doing.

The MSM allows the Administration to lump all criticism into the same deranged pile.

56 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:16am

re: #1 VegasRick

Uh oh. It seemed like such a good idea.

What? The "Tea Party"s?

No, they seemed like a horrible idea.

Protesting publicly inevitably makes your side look bad. It inevitably draws out the extremists and nutters. I've spent my blogging career proving this point -- that the craziest of crazy leftist nutballs took over the "anti-war" movement. Every protest only serves to undermine their cause, because it (accurately) makes them look like extremists.

Now the right is repeating the exact same mistake.

There's an old Arab saying: "A caravan is as slow as its slowest camel."

There's a new American saying: "A protest is as crazy as its craziest protester."

57 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:37am

re: #52 Charles

The crowd applauded her when she screamed "Burn the books!"

Just the opposite of what should happen.

58 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:38am

re: #50 Son of the Black Dog

Maybe it's time for a new political party - the Sanity Party.

Cleanliness is next to Godliness?

59 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:54am

re: #38 Hengineer

I WANT carcinogenic levels of chlorine in my water.

Yes, I do have to say... while people shouting about fluouridating water are held up as archetypal John Birchers, it's always struck me that if you tried to do a similar plan today, everyone would freak out. "We're going to dump enormous amounts of a chemical into everyone's drinking water, in order to attempt specifically targeting that chemical to peoples' teeth."

60 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:31:54am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

I'm attending one.

I see any thing like this, and after I've torn a few long, bloody strips off the idiots, I'm walking out.

61 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:01am

re: #53 Ward Cleaver

Don't like tea?

/

It does stain your teeth.

62 Claire  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:03am

At the end, there's one guy clapping and everybody else is looking sway, fairly mortified......

63 grahamski  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:38am

The room has a combined IQ level of 6.5

64 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:39am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

No kidding. It sounded good in the beginning. Make some public noise in protest of the Obama economic plans.

But it's been over run kooks.

Back to writing letters to my congress critters.

65 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:52am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Kaffeeklatsch?

Mocha Meetup?

Chai've Talkin'?

66 TypicalWhiteLiberal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:32:53am
I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."re: #41 Charles

I dunno, I think the current administration could stand to hear a little "No taxation without representation!" right now.

67 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:17am

re: #58 VegasRick

Cleanliness is next to Godliness?

Well, being sanitary would be good also.

68 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:22am

Liberals are allowed to act this way. We expect it, and the media allows it without much comment. When conservatives do it, it paints us all as wacko and out-of-touch.

I cringe at how stereotyped we are becomming in the media. My guess is that on April 15 the conservative movements in America are going to be made to look like complete asses by those in these "tea parties."

The Democrats are smiling.

69 Daria Emmons  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:25am

re: #25 NYCHardhat

Glenn Beck is nuts.

He is a mixed bag, but certainly less nuts tham people such as Olbermann.

And let's say the organizers have said some nuts things (I do not know - I have not followed all that they have said). If we agree on the central message of the Tea Parties (to defend the constitution against Obama's incursion of it), then why is there animosity against them?

Put another way, we live in a large country of 300 million citizens, and a worldwide population of billions. Is some random crazy spouting crap at a small meeting really that big a deal in the grand scheme of things?

Iran's nuclear program went operational yesterday, as the world dithers, hems, and haws. Are there not larger issues at stake, rather than the random rantings of an unknown idiot without any power to implement anything at this Tea Party meeting?

70 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:25am

re: #60 Dianna

I'm attending one.

I see any thing like this, and after I've torn a few long, bloody strips off the idiots, I'm walking out.

The one in NYC with Newt speaking sparked some interest in me. However, I don't want anything to do with this shit if it turns out to be a costume party on acid.

71 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:33am

And you thought populist rage was scary...wait till the End Timers crawl out of their holes...

72 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:34am

That guy in the rant wondered why Fox News didn't want to go there? Apparently he doesn't listen to his own rant.

73 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:49am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Kaffeeklatsch?

Mocha Meetup?

Chai've Talkin'?

How 'bout just keepin' it down to Tea for Two?

74 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:33:52am

re: #52 Charles

The crowd applauded her when she screamed "Burn the books!"

You're just worried that your favorite toy will be used to Kindle the flames!

/

75 NYCHardhat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:02am

re: #63 grahamski

The room has a combined IQ level of 6.5

Which room?

76 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:04am

re: #62 Claire

At the end, there's one guy clapping and everybody else is looking sway, fairly mortified......

I'll bet there were some there who were at their last meeting.

/the sane ones

77 Mad Al-Jaffee  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:09am

re: #8 Nevergiveup

Maybe Keg parties would attract a more balanced and fun crowd?


Whatever they do, please NO lemon parties!

78 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:14am

@marywheeler1954 Thank you so much Mary, yes we have to take back our party from radicals! xoxo
about 24 hours ago from web in reply to marywheeler1954

McCainBlogette
Meghan McCain

[Link: twitter.com...]

Memo to Meghan McCain: Just go away

79 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:17am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Yes, I do have to say... while people shouting about fluouridating water are held up as archetypal John Birchers, it's always struck me that if you tried to do a similar plan today, everyone would freak out. "We're going to dump enormous amounts of a chemical into everyone's drinking water, in order to attempt specifically targeting that chemical to peoples' teeth."

Just imagine the environmental impact statement on that project.

80 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:17am

re: #62 Claire

At the end, there's one guy clapping and everybody else is looking sway, fairly mortified......

They should have spoken up.

81 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:23am

re: #48 jaunte

The person who posted it is in Ohio.

82 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:27am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

The voice of sanity.

Neither do I!

When you march in a group, if someone unbeknownst to you carries a wrongheaded message or yells a nasty slogan, you are forever tarred by association with that message.

It is way, way too risky to make such a mistake. The Left does it all the time, which is why they look as bad as they do. Why follow their foolish example?

83 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:49am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

You're just worried that your favorite toy will be used to Kindle the flames!

/

*groan*

:D

84 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:34:55am

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Thanks.

85 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:17am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

I don't think its so much that they have been hijacked. If you are going to have a protest of any kind of size, you are going to need a simple message that appeals to as many people as possible. But the people you get will include excitable types that already tend towards being around the bend, and they are going to spout their pet theories or causes that the originator(s) probably doesn't agree with at all.

For example, "Obama & Congress spending are too much money on irresponsible projects with borrowed money" is probably agreed to by 30-40% of the population at this point. Among that number will be many who agree with each other on nearly nothing else, and plenty of them who don't bother keeping focused--not to mention mobies or other perpetually aggrieved sorts who show up to any protest.

This is probably unavoidable given the humanity we have, and some kooks can't discredit the movement, unless you expect someone to use force to keep everyone on message or plan on discrediting every protest ever.

The latter of which might actually be what is best, but it does limit your representation to the either the ballot box, which is slow and a bit suspect at times, or persuasion via letters, op eds, blogs, etc. which seems unlikely to work in this situation as most of congress is committed to the idea of transforming the state into a master, or at least parent, relationship with regard to the citizenry via untenable deficit spending (and not the comparatively mild deficits of Bush, either. Scale matters!).

86 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:21am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Kaffeeklatsch?

Mocha Meetup?

Chai've Talkin'?

Now, consarnit, I thought "Chai've Talkin'" was pretty good.

87 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:24am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

On LGF.
But only because Charles throws out the loonies.

88 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:32am

re: #56 zombie

What? The "Tea Party"s?

No, they seemed like a horrible idea.

Protesting publicly inevitably makes your side look bad. It inevitably draws out the extremists and nutters. I've spent my blogging career proving this point -- that the craziest of crazy leftist nutballs took over the "anti-war" movement. Every protest only serves to undermine their cause, because it (accurately) makes them look like extremists.

Now the right is repeating the exact same mistake.

There's an old Arab saying: "A caravan is as slow as its slowest camel."

There's a new American saying: "A protest is as crazy as its craziest protester."

Well, sitting on your hands and writing letters to our reps does not generate much attention. If this had been done right it might have been okay, but the loonies had to come out as well, end of story.

89 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:35am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

You're just worried that your favorite toy will be used to Kindle the flames!

/

Ironic, that name "Kindle".

90 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:35:56am

Alec Baldwin the Bush hating fat actor has a commercial on CBS Monday nights in which he says TV turns your brain into jello. Sorry I don't recall the exact channel or network Baldwin has in mind, but I can just imagine...

I'm sure it is a great poll-tested laugh line, especially when a leftist with BDS says something idiotic.

91 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:07am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Me neither. Weak or strong, it's a bitter witches' brew, no matter how much Splenda you stir in.

92 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:12am

re: #82 zombie

The voice of sanity.

Neither do I!

When you march in a group, if someone unbeknownst to you carries a wrongheaded message or yells a nasty slogan, you are forever tarred by association with that message.

It is way, way too risky to make such a mistake. The Left does it all the time, which is why they look as bad as they do. Why follow their foolish example?

I forget what movie I heard it in: "A Human being is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, stupid and you know it"

Its amazing when you get people individually what they say compared with what mobs together say.

93 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:18am

re: #70 NYCHardhat

The one in NYC with Newt speaking sparked some interest in me. However, I don't want anything to do with this shit if it turns out to be a costume party on acid.

Two representatives are attending, and I'm bent on talking to them.

I don't much care for this sort of thing, but I promised my Male that we'd go.

94 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:24am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

Not just the kooky right, some of the people showing up from following friends and subscribers in Youtube (not for this vid, but for other glen beck vids) turn out to be those very communist groups, as well as anarchist left. However mostly it's paleocons and paleolibs hubbing off of Lew Rockwell and Rockford institute. The roaches think it's ok to come out of the woodwork now the William F. Buckley is dead.

95 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:29am

re: #56 zombie

What? The "Tea Party"s?
Protesting publicly inevitably makes your side look bad. It inevitably draws out the extremists and nutters. I've spent my blogging career proving this point -- that the craziest of crazy leftist nutballs took over the "anti-war" movement. Every protest only serves to undermine their cause, because it (accurately) makes them look like extremists.


I agree that most of your work shows just how extreme these protests can be. But I also remember many counterprotests where the pro-military protesting actually helped the cause by their decency and restraint. A protest can work, but you have to be very organized and disciplined.

96 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #67 Son of the Black Dog

Well, being sanitary would be good also.

The new party, "hey look everybody! We don't have a bunch of shit all over us!"

97 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:36:50am

re: #2 Occasional Reader

OR - As usual, I posted on a dying thread and was responding to the "dead cat bounce" stock issue

Stock markets and recessions. Here's a link to an interesting article about stock rebounds and stock stagnation vis-a-vis recessions.

98 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:00am

re: #85 nikis-knight

I don't think its so much that they have been hijacked. If you are going to have a protest of any kind of size, you are going to need a simple message that appeals to as many people as possible. But the people you get will include excitable types that already tend towards being around the bend, and they are going to spout their pet theories or causes that the originator(s) probably doesn't agree with at all.

Just look at zombie's website for examples of that.

99 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:15am

re: #65 Occasional Reader

Kaffeeklatsch?

Mocha Meetup?

Chai've Talkin'?

* * * *
I'm wearing a Chai tea bag over to Lafayette Square on the 15th, to meet a friend for tea of course.

100 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:21am

re: #74 Occasional Reader

You're just worried that your favorite toy will be used to Kindle the flames!

/

It just burns you that you don't have one doesn't it?

101 grahamski  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:33am

re: #16 jaunte

MLM is the devil!...

102 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:43am

What really is the point of these tea parties (apart from boosting Glenn Beck's career)?

103 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:37:47am

re: #10 HoosierHoops

TOGA PARTY!

104 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:07am

re: #82 zombie

It is way, way too risky to make such a mistake. The Left does it all the time, which is why they look as bad as they do. Why follow their foolish example?

ED ZACHARY!

Nothing is going to be accomplished by attempting to out loon the loonies. Organize, educate and mobilize voters, not rabble. These public orgies of attention are at best embarassing and at worst severely damaging.

105 Opinionated  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:18am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

Anyone remember that the whole thing started spontaneously when Rick Santelli of CNBC spoke up against the Obama Administration rewarding the unproductive at the expense of the productive in society.

His "tea party" protest was then hijacked by the crazies.

106 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #102 Jimmah

What really is the point of these tea parties (apart from boosting Glenn Beck's career)?

I can understand the premise, to get together town halls to discuss problems affecting our country, but they're being attended by the wrong people.

107 wee fury  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:31am

re: #102 Jimmah

What really is the point of these tea parties (apart from boosting Glenn Beck's career)?

Tea drinking and eating crumpets?

108 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:48am

The John Birch Society? Didn't Buckley shoot them down back in the 1950s?
Oh, and I was almost sympathetic to the idea of tea parties a month or so ago. Now...not so much.

109 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:38:54am

lol brainwashing devises in my tv

110 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:20am

re: #91 Cato the Elder

Me neither. Weak or strong, it's a bitter witches' brew, no matter how much Splenda you stir in.

* * * *
Suck on a lemon and stay home then, or do as the spirit moves you.

Not everyone who wants to get out and breath fresh air and be counted, is nuts.

111 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:21am

re: #82 zombie

The voice of sanity.

Neither do I!

When you march in a group, if someone unbeknownst to you carries a wrongheaded message or yells a nasty slogan, you are forever tarred by association with that message.

It is way, way too risky to make such a mistake. The Left does it all the time, which is why they look as bad as they do. Why follow their foolish example?

Problem is that the MSM goes out of their way to avoid showing the kooky leftists, while making the occasional kooky rightist the center of media attention. How much of what you've so carefully documented ever makes it onto any media platform?

112 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:27am

There's an entire cottage industry out there that feeds off the end of the world types, and that industry also feeds them retreaded and new conspiracies periodically to keep their business going. The "Fema Camp" conspiracy vid for instance dates back to Clinton times.

113 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:39:30am

re: #103 Dustyvet

[Video]

114 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:08am

The problem is that these events are being held by regular folks who are not sophisticated when it comes to public speaking. They mix justified concern with wacky paranoia. He's correct when he says that our colleges are run by Leftists. He's correct when he describes the Presidency of Barack Obama as the culmination of a "50 year" plan by Marxists. He's correct when he says that the news media is "not on our side". But then you hear the woman in the crowd yelling "burn the books" and you just want to throw up you hands in frustration.

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:23am

Video from the same meeting....

At about :20 the speaker recommends everybody read the constitution, Thomas Paine and 5,000 year Leap by Skousen .

116 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:47am

re: #114 Ringo the Gringo

The problem is that these events are being held by regular folks who are not sophisticated when it comes to public speaking. They mix justified concern with wacky paranoia. He's correct when he says that our colleges are run by Leftists. He's correct when he describes the Presidency of Barack Obama as the culmination of a "50 year" plan by Marxists. He's correct when he says that the news media is "not on our side". But then you hear the woman in the crowd yelling "burn the books" and you just want to throw up you hands in frustration.

Especially when she keeps going with "That evolution crap"

117 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:50am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

Working.

118 haavamaal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:40:57am

My daughter and I are going to the April 15 Tea Party in San Antonio. Mr. Beck is going to be there, but that is certainly not why we are going. We are going to show our support for the fact that our government is no longer functioning like it was intended, that the stimulus bill, and national debt will lead to only one conclusion. That being the US will have to inflate its way out of debt (pictures of Zimbabwe come to mind).

I would much rather take the personal financial hit now and earn my savings and money back while I am in my 40's than have my daughter's future mortgages.

As to Glenn Beck. Maybe he's a nut bag, maybe not. Personally I don't believe all the BS he spews (not that I listen to him), but he has wrapped this warped message around some what I consider undeniable truths. Government is out of control. Politicians are not protecting our national interests, and something needs to be done at a grass roots level to either change the party structure (have the Republicans pull their heads out) or create a viable 3rd party.

Phew! What a rant!

Bob -- Peace out!

119 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:41:09am

"...marketing will get us out of this mess..."

Hmm.

120 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:41:35am

re: #110 alegrias

* * * *
Suck on a lemon and stay home then, or do as the spirit moves you.

Not everyone who wants to get out and breath fresh air and be counted, is nuts.

Upding.

121 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I can't hear the video, but...

*facepalm*.

It's all too much.

122 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:02am

re: #41 Charles

I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

How about a wine tasting?

123 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:05am

re: #112 Thanos

There's an entire cottage industry out there that feeds off the end of the world types, and that industry also feeds them retreaded and new conspiracies periodically to keep their business going. The "Fema Camp" conspiracy vid for instance dates back to Clinton times.

I am not too sure it's just a cottage industry anymore. Those peak oil guys are doing a bang up job getting money from their failed predictions.

124 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:06am

The pendulum has passed the center, moved past the center right, and is high tailing it to the apex at the fringe and far right. And it will come back with a vengeance slicing the necks of all of us unless we stand up to all of this.

125 Occasional Reader  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:09am

re: #100 jcm

It just burns you that you don't have one doesn't it?

Enough with the incendiary remarks, please.

(I did add a pretty neat iPhone app the other day, "Classics", for a mere 99 cents; gives you full text of 20 classic books, in a sort of imitation Kindle format. Includes nifty page-turn graphic interface.)

126 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:15am

re: #96 VegasRick

The new party, "hey look everybody! We don't have a bunch of shit all over us!"

Slogan works for me!

127 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:20am

re: #54 CyanSnowHawk

That doesn't play well in the media.
/


It has to exist before it can play at all. Republicans are acting like a beaten dog. When the liberals lost big to Bush in 2002 and 2004 they reorganized and came back stronger, just as the Republican self-discipline waned. Now they are sitting strong and their mistakes (which are many and obvious) are being unexploited because there is no conservative voice to attack with force.

Glen Beck is trying to be that voice. Look at that video again and decide if that is the future of the Conservative movement.

128 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:24am

re: #114 Ringo the Gringo

The problem is that these events are being held by regular folks who are not sophisticated when it comes to public speaking. They mix justified concern with wacky paranoia. He's correct when he says that our colleges are run by Leftists. He's correct when he describes the Presidency of Barack Obama as the culmination of a "50 year" plan by Marxists. He's correct when he says that the news media is "not on our side". But then you hear the woman in the crowd yelling "burn the books" and you just want to throw up you hands in frustration.

It's worse than that: When she yells "Burn the books!" she completely discredits all the true statements that have come before. She's completely poisoned the message forever. It's ruinous.

129 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:24am

Caption contest: Barry and Hill at recess

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Obama thinking " when is she going to shut up"?

130 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:42:47am

Clowns to the left of me jokers on the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you.

131 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:12am

re: #90 alegrias

Alec Baldwin the Bush hating fat actor has a commercial on CBS Monday nights in which he says TV turns your brain into jello. Sorry I don't recall the exact channel or network Baldwin has in mind, but I can just imagine...

I'm sure it is a great poll-tested laugh line, especially when a leftist with BDS says something idiotic.

The Hulu ads, where actors say they're brain-eating aliens that want you to soften your brains to mush by watching Hulu.

And while we're on the subject of TV:

132 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:19am

re: #118 haavamaal

The question is are you going to stand up and bitch out the birchers once they start ranting? Are you going to stand up for an adult Republican party?

133 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:23am

re: #112 Thanos

There's an entire cottage industry out there that feeds off the end of the world types, and that industry also feeds them retreaded and new conspiracies periodically to keep their business going. The "Fema Camp" conspiracy vid for instance dates back to Clinton times.

End of the world? Waaaaa?
I'd better go out an buy that yellow convertible Beemer I've always wanted...
My wife claims she'll divorce me if I do..So its a win-win situation..
/

134 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:31am

re: #111 Son of the Black Dog

Problem is that the MSM goes out of their way to avoid showing the kooky leftists, while making the occasional kooky rightist the center of media attention. How much of what you've so carefully documented ever makes it onto any media platform?

I agree completely. It is all a question of what the media chooses to focus on and they chose a side in this fight a long time ago.
the media is the prism through which we view life and that prism is intentionally distorted to support the leftist agenda.
In that way, the media is engaging in brainwashing.
I respect Zombie's viewpoitnand his caution is wise but the alternative is to stay at home and not do anything? That's what we've been doing for the last 30 years as the leftist tide relentlessly rolls in.

135 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:41am

Anti- protest sign at protest:

Start Chanting
Stop Thinking

136 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:43:45am

re: #128 zombie

It's worse than that: When she yells "Burn the books!" she completely discredits all the true statements that have come before. She's completely poisoned the message forever. It's ruinous.

Exactly. What irritates me more is that the audience applauded her instead of coming out and refuting it.

137 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:09am

Beware of rallies.

Useful for firing up the base. Useful for blasting the message to the populace at large. Useful for letting like-minded souls know that they are not alone.

But rallies and mobs share disturbing commonalities. Like being a many-headed beast without a brain.

Ringo said it better @114.

138 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:19am

re: #128 zombie

It's worse than that: When she yells "Burn the books!" she completely discredits all the true statements that have come before. She's completely poisoned the message forever. It's ruinous.

That's the point I was trying to make.

139 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:21am

re: #126 Son of the Black Dog

Slogan works for me!

* * * * *
John McCain's mother told you to HOLD YOUR NOSE and vote for her son, but NOOOOOOOOO!

Some of you delicate types couldn't stand the stench, and sat it out, and now we're up to our necks in B.S.

Hope you're happy now.

140 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:28am

Pirates with U.S. Captain vow to fight if attacked

"We are not afraid of the Americans,"

"How long can you lads tread water?"


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

141 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:41am

re: #134 LGoPs

I agree completely. It is all a question of what the media chooses to focus on and they chose a side in this fight a long time ago.
the media is the prism through which we view life and that prism is intentionally distorted to support the leftist agenda.
In that way, the media is engaging in brainwashing.
I respect Zombie's viewpoitnand his caution is wise but the alternative is to stay at home and not do anything? That's what we've been doing for the last 30 years as the leftist tide relentlessly rolls in.

No, the alternative is if you actually attend one of these things, stand out and let a reasonable voice be heard, to show that they really are in the fringe.

142 ladycatnip  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:45am

Was Beck always this loony? Birds of a feather applies here.

143 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:47am

re: #100 jcm

It just burns you that you don't have one doesn't it?

Hey, if we could see the code inside those things, maybe we could start a new wacked-out conspiracy. What if the developers used names like TORCH, FLAME, et cetera?

*salivate*

/

144 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:55am

I was very hopeful about the Tea Party movement, and I hate that it's been hijacked by crazies, like almost everything else. The media will focus on the tinfoil hate brigade and the real small government message will never be heard.

145 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:44:59am

re: #110 alegrias

* * * *
Suck on a lemon and stay home then, or do as the spirit moves you.

Not everyone who wants to get out and breath fresh air and be counted, is nuts.

I get my fresh air walking my dog.

146 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:00am

re: #88 VegasRick

Well, sitting on your hands and writing letters to our reps does not generate much attention. If this had been done right it might have been okay, but the loonies had to come out as well, end of story.

I don't think it is possible to have a narrowly focused protest--at least not unless many many people think what you are protesting is more important than whatever they feel strongly about.
Or at least it is very hard. Remember, nearly every revolution but ours ended in mindless bloodshed. "The American Revolution" is virtually the only non-metaphorical context that that word is in any way a good thing, and it's unlikely to be repeated, imo.

147 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:19am

re: #143 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Hey, if we could see the code inside those things, maybe we could start a new wacked-out conspiracy. What if the developers used names like TORCH, FLAME, et cetera?

*salivate*

/

Rainbow

148 VegasRick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:31am

re: #139 alegrias

* * * * *
John McCain's mother told you to HOLD YOUR NOSE and vote for her son, but NOOOOOOOOO!

Some of you delicate types couldn't stand the stench, and sat it out, and now we're up to our necks in B.S.

Hope you're happy now.

Another upding, damn you're good today.

149 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:39am

re: #140 Dustyvet

Pirates with U.S. Captain vow to fight if attacked

"We are not afraid of the Americans,"

"How long can you lads tread water?"


[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Has the Navy considered having a sub surface right under them? That solves the stand off.

150 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:45am

re: #122 Ringo the Gringo

How about a wine tasting?

* * * *
Whine tastings, for the more effete, effective, and organized civilized citizens among us.

151 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:46am

There's been a lot of whining about the media not covering the Tea parties, if this is what they are going to see then they better be damned happy the media is not covering these.

At several points in his diatribe the loon made gestures that looked like the zieg heil salute -- innocent or not you know the picture that presents.

152 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:45:52am

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

153 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:09am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Enough with the incendiary remarks, please.

(I did add a pretty neat iPhone app the other day, "Classics", for a mere 99 cents; gives you full text of 20 classic books, in a sort of imitation Kindle format. Includes nifty page-turn graphic interface.)

I'll quit fanning the flames then.

(Cool! I don't have an iPhone, even though I worked on the development of a little part of it.)

154 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:28am

re: #130 kansas

Clowns to the left of me jokers on the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you.

That's the problem: We're not in the "middle" at all, because the single-line dichotomy of "Left.....middle......Right" has totally disintegrated. We're in the sweet spot of sanity, and everyone else is on a completely different matrix.

I just got to get that essay written!

155 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:36am

re: #128 zombie

It's worse than that: When she yells "Burn the books!" she completely discredits all the true statements that have come before. She's completely poisoned the message forever. It's ruinous.

And what if that woman is a plant? I would fully expect the left to plant nuts exactly like this. That's why they are the left. They always operate out of bad faith and any tactic is acceptable if it supports the greater cause. I don't know how you combat that.

156 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:49am

re: #139 alegrias

* * * * *
John McCain's mother told you to HOLD YOUR NOSE and vote for her son, but NOOOOOOOOO!

Some of you delicate types couldn't stand the stench, and sat it out, and now we're up to our necks in B.S.

Hope you're happy now.

Will you McCain people stop it? We get it, I did vote for him but its too late now. Obama is president so stop your bitching and focus on the next election cycle and what voters can do NOW to take care of things, instead about whining about past losses.

157 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:55am

re: #127 Dainn

* * * *
Glenn Beck is a tv entertainer, not an elected member of Congress.

158 rightymouse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:46:57am

This is Good Friday.

May His light guide your path.
May His love grace your heart.
And may His sacrifice strenthen your soul.

Off to spend time with my family.

159 ladycatnip  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:03am

#139 alegrias

Some of you delicate types couldn't stand the stench, and sat it out, and now we're up to our necks in B.S B.O.

FIFY

160 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:06am
Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”

Someone call her village and tell them we've found their idiot.

161 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:16am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Yes, I do have to say... while people shouting about fluouridating water are held up as archetypal John Birchers, it's always struck me that if you tried to do a similar plan today, everyone would freak out. "We're going to dump enormous amounts of a chemical into everyone's drinking water, in order to attempt specifically targeting that chemical to peoples' teeth."

As a water engineer I can tell you that we still do it... And it's done for people's teeth and nothing more...

162 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:16am

Hmmm, not as much outrage as I expected on this thread but I guess most of the regular lizards were prepared to see this.
I suspect this one is going to upset a lot of other blogs.

163 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:16am

Ugh.

There are major points to be made by conservatives, about Obama's government's flailing, its lack of fiscal discipline, and its governmental prescriptions for non-governmental problems.

I just cannot stand to see the wild-eyed loonies bump reasonable conservatives off the stage to poison the ability to communicate these critical concerns.

164 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:31am

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

upding for that, its what i've been saying.

165 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:47:40am

re: #147 Hengineer

Rainbow

166 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:48:23am

re: #155 LGoPs

And what if that woman is a plant? I would fully expect the left to plant nuts exactly like this. That's why they are the left. They always operate out of bad faith and any tactic is acceptable if it supports the greater cause. I don't know how you combat that.

I doubt it, her private discussion with the man next to her proved she truly is a creationist and thinks anything else is brainwashing and should be burned.

167 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:48:34am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

Ongoing Tea Parties are a really bad idea. The first couple were great; although protests rarely affect any real change. Now we see these Tea Parties morphing into something ugly.

Stay with action, conservatives. Keep writing/calling/pestering your state and national congresspeople. Get involved with actions that will actually DO something - like the recalls in California and the grassroots info campaigns to defeat additional tax propositions.

168 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:48:51am

re: #157 alegrias

* * * *
Glenn Beck is a tv entertainer, not an elected member of Congress.

Oh, crap I hope he dosen't get the idea of running for office...

169 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:00am

re: #149 ConservatismNow!

Has the Navy considered having a sub surface right under them? That solves the stand off.

It wouldn't have to surface, just release Seals.

170 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:20am

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

I don't think that's downding worthy. I'm kind of shocked but pleased that a victim of BDS was shouted down at a liberal gathering. And yes, free speech is vital, and crazy speech demands a response. You are making sense.

171 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:21am

re: #161 tfc3rid

As a water engineer I can tell you that we still do it... And it's done for people's teeth and nothing more...

Meanwhile we have this low levels of toxic substance building up in our body, when simple brushing can take care of it. Flouride is good, when applied directly to people's teeth, when its consumed and swallowed, is it really so good?

172 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:26am

re: #151 Thanos

There's been a lot of whining about the media not covering the Tea parties, if this is what they are going to see then they better be damned happy the media is not covering these.

At several points in his diatribe the loon made gestures that looked like the zieg heil salute -- innocent or not you know the picture that presents.

This isn't unusual at all. I've been watching quite a few videos from "tea parties," and they're being overrun by birth certificate kooks, Birchers, book burners, Ron Paul drones, and every other variety of far right nutjob -- including neo-Nazis.

173 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:28am

Looking at the comments going down the thread...oy jeez; if we aren't careful, everytime Charles brings the subject up he may have to bring down the ban stick on a regular.
I like the back and forth, but it's still a bit unnerving.

174 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:33am

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, not as much outrage as I expected on this thread but I guess most of the regular lizards were prepared to see this.
I suspect this one is going to upset a lot of other blogs.

You know it's been thrashed out, and it's down to the personal views.

I'd rather not go. But...my Male wants to, and so do our closest friends. I've been mentally prepping for the tearing of long, bloody strips off idiots, wing-nuts and mobies, and I've already made it clear that I'm leaving if I see a bunch of Paul-bots.

175 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:34am

re: #22 Son of the Black Dog

There's a reason I'm still cavity-free after 22 years!

176 lost of earth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:38am

The "tea parties" weren't organized by Glenn Beck. Many of these "tea parties" were planned after the first bailout in Sept. in opposition to government spending, borrowing and increasing the national debt. Santelli spoke of it on tv and the movement grew.

It is not a conservative movement but an all inclusive group of folks (blue dogs, conservatives, republicans, libertarians). Since these gatherings are held in public places, it is difficult to keep people out of the group.

Beck started something called "We Surround Them". [Link: www.glennbeck.com...]
Groups of people met in restaurants and houses to watch a Beck airing of the show, cameras were at certain events and aired on Beck's show.

177 ConservativeAtheist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:38am

Sigh. "Clowns to the left of me. Jokers to the right..."

178 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:39am

re: #2 Occasional Reader

Looks like the Tea Party people need to switch to decaf.

As a grassroots effort, the Tea Party's appeared to be an effective way for Middle America to speak out against the statist policies of the Obama Administration (tax and spend) - but with Birchers and nitwits calling for the burning of books involved, the entire effort will be compromised and marginalized.

Instead, Tea Parties are going to be linked with nutters and fascists.

This is why all of us have to continue to expose these nitwits and condemn / distance ourselves from them if we hope to remain relevant. Remember William F. Buckley's efforts to clean out the Conservative movement in the 1960's - well, we have some major cleaning to do as well.

179 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:49:53am

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..


By the way, are you aware that the Obama administration argued before the supreme court (I believe, might have been a lesser) that they had the right to ban books under campaign finance laws?

180 ConservatismNow!  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:01am

re: #169 Kosh's Shadow

It wouldn't have to surface, just release Seals.

If the sub surfaces, it tips the boat over. Problem solved.

181 ladycatnip  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:07am

#158 rightymouse

Thank you for the reminder - today is Good Friday. I'll sign off now so I don't continue to be sidetracked by the shiny thing called politics.

Blessings to you all,
ladycatnip

182 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:07am

re: #157 alegrias

* * * *
Glenn Beck is a tv entertainer, not an elected member of Congress.

Considering the liberal morons voting in Al Franken, just wait until Glenn Beck actually runs for office.

183 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:08am

re: #155 LGoPs

And what if that woman is a plant? I would fully expect the left to plant nuts exactly like this. That's why they are the left. They always operate out of bad faith and any tactic is acceptable if it supports the greater cause. I don't know how you combat that.

I seriously doubt if she's a plant. There are in fact anti-evolution nutballs out there who would gladly burn all the books.

But even if she was a plant, that's the whole point: She still discredited the whole meeting. She got away with it.

That's why one must be very very careful if one is to ever hold a public rally like this. Better plan: Don't hold one.

184 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:09am

Enlighten me, what's a Bircher?

185 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:11am

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Hmmm, not as much outrage as I expected on this thread but I guess most of the regular lizards were prepared to see this.
I suspect this one is going to upset a lot of other blogs.

Yeah, well fuck them if they can't handle reality.

186 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:15am

re: #175 wiffersnapper

There's a reason I'm still cavity-free after 22 years!

You actually brush your teeth?

187 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:24am

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

You really have no clue why you get so many down dings do you?

This will not set a record -ive number for you. In fact you may come up with more +ive dings.

188 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:30am

re: #137 razorbacker

Beware of rallies.

Useful for firing up the base. Useful for blasting the message to the populace at large. Useful for letting like-minded souls know that they are not alone.

But rallies and mobs share disturbing commonalities. Like being a many-headed beast without a brain.

Ringo said it better @114.

* * * * *
When 2 million plus showed up at the Inauguration Jan 20th, was it a mob?
Many attendees were classless boors who boo'd President Bush and wet their pants over Obama.

We still have the freedom of assembly and free speech.

189 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:32am

re: #157 alegrias

* * * *
Glenn Beck is a tv entertainer, not an elected member of Congress.


Which elected official shall we rally to then? Beck is trying to be that rallying point.

190 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:50:48am

What I say: Less tea parties, more churchical drum and bass for the people -

Baptazia - Super Sunday - Master x / Rhymes & Noisia

SELECTAH!

191 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:10am

re: #139 alegrias

* * * * *
John McCain's mother told you to HOLD YOUR NOSE and vote for her son, but NOOOOOOOOO!

Some of you delicate types couldn't stand the stench, and sat it out, and now we're up to our necks in B.S.

Hope you're happy now.

I ain't delicate, and I proudly voted for McCain.

192 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:11am

re: #183 zombie

I seriously doubt if she's a plant. There are in fact anti-evolution nutballs out there who would gladly burn all the books.

But even if she was a plant, that's the whole point: She still discredited the whole meeting. She got away with it.

That's why one must be very very careful if one is to ever hold a public rally like this. Better plan: Don't hold one.

but for the Bible.

193 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:18am

re: #152 avanti

I don't think you should expect down dings for saying something reasonable.
It absolutely right to say we should be pointing out the criminal stupidity of calling for book burning.

194 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:27am

The Daughter has hijacked her mom and taken her into town for manicures, pedicures, and whatever the hell else wymyns do at those places.

I'm going to fix a meatloaf for dinner, so I can cook it real slow and it won't hurt if they're late.

I've got ground beef, ground bison, ground elk, and a little ground pork (Hmmm, the defining characteristic seems to be that I can't hit a flying target). Wonder what kind of meatloaf that's going to make?

I'll let you know tomorrow, should you be interested.

195 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:51:39am

re: #155 LGoPs

And what if that woman is a plant? I would fully expect the left to plant nuts exactly like this.


That's nonsense and I think you know that. Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds have already been pushing the conspiracy theory that lefties are going to infiltrate the Tea Parties to make the look bad. There's no need to infiltrate. The organizers, the speakers and the attendees are insane. There's no need to add anything. This video was proudly posted by a supporter. There are dozens more videos, pictures and Tea Party webpages out there that show the same thing.
Don't embarrass yourself by trying to turn this into a conspiracy.

196 haavamaal  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:05am

In fact after reading this I have had my daughter start on the back of a sign reads "Only fools burn books".

197 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:18am
198 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:20am

re: #172 Charles

This isn't unusual at all. I've been watching quite a few videos from "tea parties," and they're being overrun by birth certificate kooks, Birchers, book burners, Ron Paul drones, and every other variety of far right nutjob -- including neo-Nazis.

I probably souldn't say this, but: Isn't Pajamas TV spending a lot of air time covering the Tea Parties? And becoming associated with them thereby? Maybe you should express your concerns to the decision-makers over there.

199 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:41am

re: #184 wiffersnapper

Enlighten me, what's a Bircher?

A member or someone sympathetic to the John Birch Society, a 20th century radical right group. Commie infiltration everywhere, flouridation is a commie plot, lots of General Ripper stuff. William F. Buckley spoke for the nascent Goldwater and co. conservative movement and told them to go stuff it in public (in print, I think).

200 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:52:44am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

Looking for Galt's Gulch.

201 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:53:03am

re: #157 alegrias

* * * *
Glenn Beck is a tv entertainer, not an elected member of Congress.

One member of Congress from Kansas City quoted in local paper with a quote from a local representative, Emmanual Cleaver, who went to Cuba with the Congressional Black Caucus.
Speaking of Raul Castro "He's one of the most amazing human beings I've ever met."
Crazy shit disguised as rational thinking.

202 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:53:31am

re: #193 jaunte

I don't think you should expect down dings for saying something reasonable.
It absolutely right to say we should be pointing out the criminal stupidity of calling for book burning.

/stupid criminals burn the books... smart ones cook the books.

203 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:53:41am

re: #186 Hengineer

heh

204 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:03am

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Enough with the incendiary remarks, please.

(I did add a pretty neat iPhone app the other day, "Classics", for a mere 99 cents; gives you full text of 20 classic books, in a sort of imitation Kindle format. Includes nifty page-turn graphic interface.)

You know your iPhone is already a Kindle, right? There's a free app that lets you buy any Kindle book on Amazon. It downloads straight onto your 'phone and you can choose from thousands of titles. I've got the Complete Shakespeare, Dickens, G.K. Chesterton, Victor Hugo and a bunch more.

They'll never catch me reading "People" at the dentist's office again.

I'll get back to you with the link.

205 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:15am

re: #199 davinvalkri

*bangs head against the wall*

206 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:23am

re: #140 Dustyvet

Pirates with U.S. Captain vow to fight if attacked

"We are not afraid of the Americans,"

"How long can you lads tread water?"

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Some of the pirates need and up-close and personal demonstration of the Phalanx. Instant chum.

207 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:26am

re: #201 kansas

One member of Congress from Kansas City quoted in local paper with a quote from a local representative, Emmanual Cleaver, who went to Cuba with the Congressional Black Caucus.
Speaking of Raul Castro "He's one of the most amazing human beings I've ever met."
Crazy shit disguised as rational thinking.

Idiots on both sides of the aisle, I see...
The world's insane! Burn the world! HA HA!
/meds

208 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:33am

re: #204 Cato the Elder

You know your iPhone is already a Kindle, right? There's a free app that lets you buy any Kindle book on Amazon. It downloads straight onto your 'phone and you can choose from thousands of titles. I've got the Complete Shakespeare, Dickens, G.K. Chesterton, Victor Hugo and a bunch more.

They'll never catch me reading "People" at the dentist's office again.

I'll get back to you with the link.

I would but I'm an Apple-hater.

209 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:54am

I think we were doing better when strange ladies were distributing magic swords.


/////

210 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:54:58am

re: #205 wiffersnapper

*bangs head against the wall*

?

211 quickslow87  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:00am

That video was pretty crazy. I wish only sane people would protest.

212 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:01am

re: #201 kansas

Charles keeps mentioning it. There's a bad craziness loose in the world, and it's everywhere.

213 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:14am
214 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:18am

re: #198 zombie

I probably souldn't say this, but: Isn't Pajamas TV spending a lot of air time covering the Tea Parties? And becoming associated with them thereby? Maybe you should express your concerns to the decision-makers over there.

I've been trying to stay out of the "tea party" stuff entirely, but when I saw this one I realized I couldn't ignore it any more. Believe me, Pajamas Media knows my feelings about this kind of stuff.

215 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:21am

re: #184 wiffersnapper

Enlighten me, what's a Bircher?

John Birch Society

It started out as heavily anti-communist, since to become popular any group needs to adopt a populist cause. It very quickly became heavily laced with white supremacists, neo-fascist right (the only thing they hate more than american capitalism is communism) neo-confederate states rights orgs, Jew hating kookspiricists, and any other loon who professed to hate communists.

216 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:36am

re: #184 wiffersnapper

Enlighten me, what's a Bircher?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

217 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:37am

re: #161 tfc3rid

As a water engineer I can tell you that we still do it... And it's done for people's teeth and nothing more...

Huh, uh, and Chemtrails are just condensation....

We know better!

/kook!

218 loudguitars  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:38am

Glenn Beck doesn't advocate burning anything! There are fruits and nuts on both sides of ALL issues. Take this blog's crusade against Glen Beck
as what it is. Their opinion!

Ask yourself this question. When was the last time this blog said ANYTHING positive about the impact or contribution of any religion on humanity? This is a great site! I read it daily. I don't understand the preoccupation with Glen Beck? He is not George Soros! He is for smaller, responsible government and increased personal liberty. What is wrong with that!

219 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:39am

re: #209 The Other Les

I think we were doing better when strange ladies were distributing magic swords.

/////

Except for the repressed peasant brutally attacked by his oppressive tyrant of a monarch.

220 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:55:50am

re: #194 razorbacker

The Daughter has hijacked her mom and taken her into town for manicures, pedicures, and whatever the hell else wymyns do at those places.

I'm going to fix a meatloaf for dinner, so I can cook it real slow and it won't hurt if they're late.

I've got ground beef, ground bison, ground elk, and a little ground pork (Hmmm, the defining characteristic seems to be that I can't hit a flying target). Wonder what kind of meatloaf that's going to make?

I'll let you know tomorrow, should you be interested.


If it turns out well, send it to reine for the new cookbook.

221 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:03am
222 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:06am

re: #69 Daria Emmons

Put another way, we live in a large country of 300 million citizens, and a worldwide population of billions. Is some random crazy spouting crap at a small meeting really that big a deal in the grand scheme of things?

Yes. Because we have a moral and intellectual responsibility to call the crazies out when the spout crap. If we do not and remain silent, our silence will be taken as acceptance of that crap and we lose our moral and intellectual standing. We will be seen as bankrupt as those crazies.

223 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:09am

Thanos & I, same idea, same time...

224 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:22am

re: #41 Charles

"I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

But, Charles! Alice is waiting! We said we'ed come to her party!

225 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:32am

Here they come.

226 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #176 lost of earth

Right. That's part of what I was trying to get at. This isn't simply a conservative protest, or a message that only appeals to moderate conservatives. Quit taking my money is a message that a great many believe in, kooks and reasonable people alike. Everyone but those who believe you can borrow and print money indefinately without consequence.

I think tangential issues that make the 'parties' look nuts are bad, but might not diminish the impact so much if all that gets reported is that huge numbers gathered in objection to Obama/Pelosi's money plans.

But I doubt too much in the efficacy of such to bother going even if I wasn't worried about associating with God only knows who.

227 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:34am

re: #156 Hengineer

Will you McCain people stop it? We get it, I did vote for him but its too late now. Obama is president so stop your bitching and focus on the next election cycle and what voters can do NOW to take care of things, instead about whining about past losses.

* * * *

I made an analogy about the downside of sitting on the sidelines throwing pot shots while others are in the arena, voting or risking their lives like that Captain.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

Obama is my president now, and I'm doing what I can to make sure he is my one term president. Like his mentor Carter.

228 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:35am

re: #212 Dianna

Charles keeps mentioning it. There's a bad craziness loose in the world, and it's everywhere.

Is that what wants to build artificial trees to soak up CO2 and shoot particulate matter into the atmosphere to protect the ice caps from melting? Totally nuts it is.

229 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:56:44am

re: #175 wiffersnapper

There's a reason I'm still cavity-free after 22 years!

I read something awhile back..They did an MRI on a mummy that was about 30 or 40 years old..The mummy didn't have one single cavity. Sugar wasn't in their diet.. I'll bet dentists have stock in cola companies.

230 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:57:18am

re: #209 The Other Les

I think we were doing better when strange ladies were distributing magic swords.


/////

Come on a watery tart handing out swords is no way to form a country is it?

231 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:57:25am

re: #127 Dainn

It has to exist before it can play at all. Republicans are acting like a beaten dog. When the liberals lost big to Bush in 2002 and 2004 they reorganized and came back stronger, just as the Republican self-discipline waned. Now they are sitting strong and their mistakes (which are many and obvious) are being unexploited because there is no conservative voice to attack with force.

Glen Beck is trying to be that voice. Look at that video again and decide if that is the future of the Conservative movement.

Can't see the video, blocked at work. These tea parties sound like a possibly good idea turning into a cluster-f**k. The extremist noise is certainly ratcheting up to a level that is going to keep the more moderate elements away, adding to the extremist noise level. All of which will be used to cast the Republicans as the raging kooks that we know the extreme left to be.

The GOP however, is in disarray now, with no indication that it will recover anytime soon. The party has produced no strong or focused leaders due to internal divisions that are the results of power struggles among many factions, all of which claim that "the party has no chance without us."

I wonder if these tea parties will prove embarrassing enough to get the party on track to recovery?

232 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:57:30am

News reports starting to surface of Captain Phillips' escape attempt.

CNN

233 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:57:54am

re: #224 Earick

"I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

But, Charles! Alice is waiting! We said we'ed come to her party!

I will always upding an Alice comment!

234 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:01am

re: #225 Charles

Here they come.

Shields up!

Fire at will!

235 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:24am

re: #214 Charles

I've been trying to stay out of the "tea party" stuff entirely, but when I saw this one I realized I couldn't ignore it any more. Believe me, Pajamas Media knows my feelings about this kind of stuff.

Integrity is a bitch.

///

Keep calling 'em as you see 'em.

236 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:31am

Rally's and demonstrations always get hijacked by crazies. There has got to be a better way for conservatives to get their point across. I just don't know what is is yet.

237 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:37am

re: #229 HoosierHoops

I read something awhile back..They did an MRI on a mummy that was about 30 or 40 years old..The mummy didn't have one single cavity. Sugar wasn't in their diet.. I'll bet dentists have stock in cola companies.

And, Cadbury, Nestle, Hershey....

238 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:58:58am

re: #234 MandyManners

Shields up!

Fire at will!

Aimed fire, conserve ammo, it's gonna' be a long fight.

239 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:27am

re: #236 KenJen

Rally's and demonstrations always get hijacked by crazies. There has got to be a better way for conservatives to get their point across. I just don't know what is is yet.

The Internet!
The internet is really really great...
/for porn!

240 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:34am

Screw the books, what about our precious bodily fluids?

I'd laugh if it were not so sad. Again, no one studies history. If they did, they would know that human nature, being what it is, would not allow for such monstrous covert conspiracies. Four or five guys planning to rob or kill--that works.

Dozens or hundreds of highly influential people with a master plan to enslave a population of hundreds of millions--nope; won't work. This is nothing more than normal human nature; assigning a cause/reason why they seemingly have no perceived control over their lives.

On the same line we have discussed ad nauseum over here; they don't get how moronic the media makes them seem. They never heard of the adage, "The harder you try, the dumber you look."

241 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:48am
242 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:50am

re: #15 Daria Emmons

Charles, I do not understand. Why does this concern you?


You really don't see a problem with someone urging a crowd to burn books and being greeted with cheers? Do you have any understanding of history and movements that start off by burning books?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I sure as hell don't want to be associated ever remotely with a group that tolerates that type of fanaticism. It never ends well.

243 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:51am

re: #218 loudguitars

Glenn Beck doesn't advocate burning anything! There are fruits and nuts on both sides of ALL issues. Take this blog's crusade against Glen Beck
as what it is. Their opinion!

Ask yourself this question. When was the last time this blog said ANYTHING positive about the impact or contribution of any religion on humanity? This is a great site! I read it daily. I don't understand the preoccupation with Glen Beck? He is not George Soros! He is for smaller, responsible government and increased personal liberty. What is wrong with that!

If you actually read this site daily, you can't have missed all of the prayers from commenters, and related and commentary about the positive aspects of sincere religion. You may be reading selectively.

244 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 9:59:52am

re: #228 kansas

Is that what wants to build artificial trees to soak up CO2 and shoot particulate matter into the atmosphere to protect the ice caps from melting? Totally nuts it is.

Among other bad ideas, like the government guaranteeing a car warranty.

Though the madness seems to be spreading, and I'm starting to feel like I'm standing on a not-very-high rock, with the waters rising all around me.

245 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:11am

re: #208 Hengineer

I would but I'm an Apple-hater.

There is an e-book reader for most other platforms called Mobipocket
They also give free software to convert from various other formats (Word, HTML, etc.) to their format, but I haven't tried it yet. That way, you can go to project Gutenberg and get their free e-books onto your device.
I've been using it for a little while now on a BlackBerry, but I'm still on the few decent free mobi books that are in English.
Note that they are, I believe, owned by Amazon France.

I'll have to buy or convert some books once I finish Dianna's book.

246 ConservativeAtheist  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:13am

re: #197 MandyManners

Thanks, Mandy. Youtube doesn't work for me in the office!

247 razorbacker  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:16am

re: #188 alegrias

I have 'rights' that I've never exercised, because that's just not what I do.

Attending rallies and mobs fall into that category.

As for your question about attendees for the inauguration, I don't consider myself a member of a mob or rally when I attend a Razorback football game, either.

Although on a couple of occasions the difference has been one of degree.

248 katemaclaren  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:22am

Well, this gives a new twist to "sheeple."

And while everyone is very serious, here's something sheepish that will give you a smile today:

Your text to link...

Please look--it's priceless. Shows what happens when shepherds get bored! They're called the Baa Studs.

249 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #236 KenJen

Rally's and demonstrations always get hijacked by crazies. There has got to be a better way for conservatives to get their point across. I just don't know what is is yet.

Rallies. Not the burger joint. I'm tired.

250 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:39am

re: #241 taxfreekiller

find a bed, hide under it

No room, full of guns.....

/;-P

251 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:42am

You Earth people are frickin' nuts!

252 tfc3rid  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:49am

re: #171 Hengineer

Meanwhile we have this low levels of toxic substance building up in our body, when simple brushing can take care of it. Flouride is good, when applied directly to people's teeth, when its consumed and swallowed, is it really so good?

Well, it is NYC policy to chlorinate and flouridate all water supply... We don't treat so chlorination is required for disinfection...

253 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:00:59am

re: #209 The Other Les

I think we were doing better when strange ladies were distributing magic swords.

/////

You wouldn't think so if you were repressed for being a bloody peasant!
/Dennis

254 Claire  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:12am

Do

these people

look crazy to you?

/My peeps.

255 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:12am
256 Wild Knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:15am

I'm sick and tired of this evolution crap. If accepting evolution makes you an atheist, I ought to be a fully-paid member of the brigade. I suppose these people would say that my pastor(one Benedict XVI, current residence: Rome) is anti-Christian/anti-religion/anti-Christ (take your pick) so this just proves their point. Personally I blame all these translations of the Bible. Perhaps if really are to be REAL fundamentalists and book-burners, we ought to burn all translations of the Bible and read the text in the original languages only... Now THAT's fundamentalism.

257 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:19am

re: #224 Earick

"I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

But, Charles! Alice is waiting! We said we'ed come to her party!

Let's go ask her!


258 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:24am

re: #218 loudguitars

Glenn Beck doesn't advocate burning anything! There are fruits and nuts on both sides of ALL issues. Take this blog's crusade against Glen Beck
as what it is. Their opinion!

Ask yourself this question. When was the last time this blog said ANYTHING positive about the impact or contribution of any religion on humanity? This is a great site! I read it daily. I don't understand the preoccupation with Glen Beck? He is not George Soros! He is for smaller, responsible government and increased personal liberty. What is wrong with that!

Where to start? First of all, the positive impact of religion is not the topic of this blog. Second, no one is on a crusade against Glenn Beck, except to the extent that he says crazy things and needs to be called out on them. Yes, there's a whole granola bowl of crazy on each side of every issue, and it's the responsibility of the sane to pick out the nuts and flakes and disassociate themselves from the kooks. Beck has gained a large audience and he offers a platform for other crackpots. He damages the cause he claims to espouse. That's why it's important to point out the over-the-top things he says.

259 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:29am

re: #238 jcm

Aimed fire, conserve ammo, it's gonna' be a long fight.

Check your ammo; watch your back; and never cut a deal with a dragon.

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:01:38am

re: #214 Charles

I've been trying to stay out of the "tea party" stuff entirely, but when I saw this one I realized I couldn't ignore it any more. Believe me, Pajamas Media knows my feelings about this kind of stuff.

Good for you.

261 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:18am

re: #172 Charles

This isn't unusual at all. I've been watching quite a few videos from "tea parties," and they're being overrun by birth certificate kooks, Birchers, book burners, Ron Paul drones, and every other variety of far right nutjob -- including neo-Nazis.

* * * *
I only plan to go ONCE for a look see, on Tax Day itself, April 15th, in front of the White House at beautiful Lafayette Square in Washington DC on a lovely spring day. I plan to peaceably assemble and wear my chai tea bag on my lapel.

Couldn't make myself go celebrate Inauguration Day Jan 20th which was brutally cold and a mob scene if there ever was one.

Once, that's all.

262 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:27am

re: #218 loudguitars

Glenn Beck doesn't advocate burning anything! There are fruits and nuts on both sides of ALL issues. Take this blog's crusade against Glen Beck
as what it is. Their opinion!

Ask yourself this question. When was the last time this blog said ANYTHING positive about the impact or contribution of any religion on humanity? This is a great site! I read it daily. I don't understand the preoccupation with Glen Beck? He is not George Soros! He is for smaller, responsible government and increased personal liberty. What is wrong with that!

I'm praying right now, isn't that religious?
I pray that your reading comprehension skills improve and that you get a clue.

263 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:35am

re: #225 Charles

Here they come.

Walkin' down the street
Get the funniest looks from
Everyone we meet.

264 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:54am

For those of you wondering about the Constitution Party mentioned, it's a paleo-conservative party for Dominionists:

The Constitution Party is a conservative United States political party. It was founded as the U.S. Taxpayers' Party in 1992. The party's official name was changed to the Constitution Party in 1999; however, some state affiliate parties are known under different names. Considered a "third party", the Constitution Party generally seeks "to restore our government to its Constitutional limits and our law to its Biblical foundations.

They run under the guise of an anti tax outfit, but their real goal is overthrowing parts of the constitution.

265 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:57am

re: #244 Dianna

Among other bad ideas, like the government guaranteeing a car warranty.

Though the madness seems to be spreading, and I'm starting to feel like I'm standing on a not-very-high rock, with the waters rising all around me.

OK, so you drive your government car off the government road & end up in a government hospital... what could go wrong?

266 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:02:58am

I don't think burn-burner lady is a lefty plant, but she may have been spontaneously mocking Mr. Brainwash, her disclaimer not withstanding. Note the casual tone of her admonition, she sounds almost facetious in making it. I think she is more amateur comedian than conspiracy kook.
Even so, there is no doubt at all that Brainwash is serious, with all the arrogance and zealotry of the truly deranged. If he were a lone nut this would be merely be amusing if ultimately rather sad, but this kind of insanity has a substantial following, especially in small business circles.

There is some bad craziness loose on the right and LGF is increasingly an oasis of sanity.

267 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:00am

re: #244 Dianna

Hi Dianna..Did you get my email the other day?

268 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:22am
269 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:36am
270 The Other Les  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:43am

re: #234 MandyManners

Shields up!

Fire at will!

Which one is Will?

271 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:03:47am

re: #232 pink freud

News reports starting to surface of Captain Phillips' escape attempt.

CNN

I've been following the breaking stories on that. Damned little info, and some of what the official spokesman has said (or what's been reported that he's said) is utter crap.

272 Cato the Elder  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:06am

re: #204 Cato the Elder

I'll get back to you with the link.

Occasional Reader: No link (iTunes Store doesn't "do" links), but the app is simple called "Kindle for iPhone". Free!

273 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:24am

Fluoride.

They forgot that Fluoride in water is a communist plot.

274 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:29am

re: #245 Kosh's Shadow

I'll have to buy or convert some books once I finish Dianna's book.

And how's that going?

*pleading smile*

re: #267 HoosierHoops

Hi Dianna..Did you get my email the other day?

I did - Did you get the reply, with attached pdf.?

275 mfarmer1  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:36am

There's no getting away from it folks. The Republican party has a substantial percentage of ultra religious kooks, period. They're no different than the far left nutjobs, as both want to curb your freedoms.

This tea party stuff seemed kinda cool, and I'm sure that most everyone attending doesn't want to burn books and all of that. But the fact remains that Republicans and conservatives in general can't shake this large and seemingly growing band of creationists and their lunacy.

The original Boston Tea Party participants were far more religious overall, and yet even they knew how to separate politics from worship. The founders and our ancestors make us all look like fools.

Hopefully these tea parties can help form a 21st century Whig Party. If they accomplish that, they were well worth the effort in my opinion.

276 Formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:37am

Well, this looks like another good idea on the surface going down the drain.

Although I was not really familiar with the inner workings of this movement, my impression of what a tea party should be synonymous with should actually represent what the original tea party was representative of.

Although I disagree on certain issues with some folks here, one central argument tantamount in pursuing common ground as it relates to finding ourselves back to the mooring of the Constitution, (smaller, less intrusive government, true freedom, will of the people) would be shedding the lunatic fringe, and not allowing them to co opt this effort.

The original "The Destruction of Tea at Boston Harbor" was a watershed moment. Like the "Shot heard 'round the world" it commemorates a true moment in time upon which people took the mantle in an effort to secure their own destiny, free from a government who sought the fruits of their labor.

These tea parties will be reduced to mockery. While I would not label everyone who attends, as a willing party to such asshattery, (people are truly afraid of what their government has already accomplished in just 2-3 months) finding an outlet, and recognizing your voice is a good thing.

Sadly, I think what could have been an effective method of discourse if the message stayed on target, will now be the flea market for snake oil salesmen.

277 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:43am

re: #174 Dianna

You know it's been thrashed out, and it's down to the personal views.

I'd rather not go. But...my Male wants to, and so do our closest friends. I've been mentally prepping for the tearing of long, bloody strips off idiots, wing-nuts and mobies, and I've already made it clear that I'm leaving if I see a bunch of Paul-bots.

Just don't leave without articulating your position.

278 J.D.  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:04:52am

re: #273 karmic_inquisitor

Fluoride.

They forgot that Fluoride in water is a communist plot.

They hate dentists!

279 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:13am

re: #270 The Other Les

Which one is Will?

LEAVE WESLEY ALONE!

280 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:14am

Back on the thread regarding the "outrage" over a Tea Party being required to get a permit, it was noted that unless someone stepped up and took charge of the Tea Party movement it was going to be taken over by loons. I'm willing to bet it's too late to prevent that.

This is not good. With their dismal performance, the Democrats should be on the defensive for the midterm elections, but this type of insanity helps them. They can point to things like this and ask: Is this the type of nut you want running things?

Trust me, the mainstream doesn't agree with these extremists. The craziness of the left was never fully displayed by the MSM. I doubt if they'll be so restrictive in showing the nuts on the right.

281 Challenger  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:18am

Wow, what a bunch of fruitcakes. This is what gives true conservatism a bad name. LOL @ the decaf comment #2.

282 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:24am

re: #273 karmic_inquisitor

Fluoride.

They forgot that Fluoride in water is a communist plot.

Not at all.

Its CIA mind control.

We need to keep our conspiracy theories straight.

283 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:36am

re: #164 Hengineer

upding for that, its what i've been saying.

OK, since I got away with that one, let me share a trade secret. When the Obmabots have their meet and greets, it's a multilevel deal starting with the administration, down to the local neighborhood meet and greets. When we show up in a local bar far example, we are greeted by a local guy or gal that is "in charge'.
He or she knows what to learn from the voters attending and what conduct would be harmful. More then anything, there is some organization, someone is "in charge"
It seems the tea parties are loose cannons, some may be wonderful, others may be loon fests and no one is there to control it.
The idea of a citizens grass root protest is a fine one, but a 1000 good citizens best intentions can be hijacked by one loon with the MSM watching. For us, it would be Code pink or the like for the left, for you, maybe John Birch'ers.

284 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:38am

re: #191 Son of the Black Dog

I, also, voted McCain! And damned if it didn't hurt!

I just wanted someone I could respect!

Oh, well! Now I just want my country back!

285 Teh Flowah  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:42am

lol. The DTV transition is a brainwashing device. Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahaha.

286 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:43am

re: #218 loudguitars

You're off-target. Glenn Beck is getting a lot of play because he has a huge audience but is attracting a LOT of extreme kooks of the PrisonPlanet variety with his style of truly incendiary rhetoric. He is causing big collateral damage to conservatism, given the reach of his TV/radio shows and I really wish he would walk it back a little (OK, more than a little) on the overheated rhetoric.

Your charge that "no one ever says anything positive about the impact or contribution of any religion on humanity" is way off. There are many deeply religious people around here, but the reasonable ones do not go all pop-eyed and froth at the mouth about it and have plenty to say about such contributions.

287 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:05:53am

re: #266 shiplord kirel

I don't think burn-burner lady is a lefty plant, but she may have been spontaneously mocking Mr. Brainwash, her disclaimer not withstanding. Note the casual tone of her admonition, she sounds almost facetious in making it. I think she is more amateur comedian than conspiracy kook.
Even so, there is no doubt at all that Brainwash is serious, with all the arrogance and zealotry of the truly deranged. If he were a lone nut this would be merely be amusing if ultimately rather sad, but this kind of insanity has a substantial following, especially in small business circles.

There is some bad craziness loose on the right and LGF is increasingly an oasis of sanity.

That would be an excellent rotating title.

288 alegrias  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:13am

re: #189 Dainn

Which elected official shall we rally to then? Beck is trying to be that rallying point.

* * * *
Have you checked out your local city council, state delegates, state congressional representatives, or U.S. Senators?

Do you know them, have you contacted them? They are there to listen to you & serve you & represent you.

If you don't like those people, elect new ones.

C'mon, Beck is a tv person, not a REAL elected official with real responsibilities.

289 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:21am

re: #270 The Other Les

Which one is Will?

What did Will do?

290 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:24am

re: #194 razorbacker

The Daughter has hijacked her mom and taken her into town for manicures, pedicures, and whatever the hell else wymyns do at those places.

I'm going to fix a meatloaf for dinner, so I can cook it real slow and it won't hurt if they're late.

I've got ground beef, ground bison, ground elk, and a little ground pork (Hmmm, the defining characteristic seems to be that I can't hit a flying target). Wonder what kind of meatloaf that's going to make?

I'll let you know tomorrow, should you be interested.

Diversity Meatloaf!

291 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:24am

re: #240 calcajun

Screw the books, what about our precious bodily fluids?

I'd laugh if it were not so sad. Again, no one studies history. If they did, they would know that human nature, being what it is, would not allow for such monstrous covert conspiracies. Four or five guys planning to rob or kill--that works.

Dozens or hundreds of highly influential people with a master plan to enslave a population of hundreds of millions--nope; won't work. This is nothing more than normal human nature; assigning a cause/reason why they seemingly have no perceived control over their lives.

On the same line we have discussed ad nauseum over here; they don't get how moronic the media makes them seem. They never heard of the adage, "The harder you try, the dumber you look."

But what if aliens were secretly controlling millions of people, making their own robot army that looks human but does their masters' wills?
/YES I AM SARC
but I'm also writing a science fiction novel based on the idea; I figure if I can't get a publisher, I can self-publish on Amazon, and advertise it on the UFO sites. Then I can take the idiot's money, and if anyone asks me if I think it is real, I can say that it is fiction.

292 Daria Emmons  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:06:27am

re: #172 Charles

This isn't unusual at all. I've been watching quite a few videos from "tea parties," and they're being overrun by birth certificate kooks, Birchers, book burners, Ron Paul drones, and every other variety of far right nutjob -- including neo-Nazis.

This is the first video you posted (as far as I know) wherein a tea party showed evidence of this.

I have no affiliation with tea parties right now, but I do not see one random meeting as indicative of the broader movement which is across the country.

If you have other videos of tea parties which show this sort of material, I believe it would be productive to post it.

293 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:07:41am

'No tv - that's brainwashing'...'take your kids out of college'.

Gotta laugh when nuts like this go on about protecting kids from 'brainwashing' by keeping them away from all external influences. Free their minds - lock 'em up in a tinfoil-lined commie proof shack!

294 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:07:47am

re: #231 CyanSnowHawk

I sincerely hope there is some strong counter to the Democrats soon. Without a foil, by the time conservatives can regain control the whole system will be changed.

295 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:07:57am

re: #285 Teh Flowah

lol. The DTV transition is a brainwashing device. Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaah aha.



The DTV converter boxes are watching and listening..........

296 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:08:01am

I think the problem is it is very hard to rally people to action around moderation. You can get some brave people to stand and protest/fight genuine tyranny in their own country, sometimes, but most people aren't going to protest policies that have a very good chance of having a negative fiscal impact some time in the future, even if they're kind of angry about it, without firing up the nuts.
So, I'm with zombie, these protests will probably always turn out bad, but I'm also a fatalist about things getting better before they get much worse. Americans these days want socialism, so they'll get it.

297 davinvalkri  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:08:20am

re: #282 Racer X

re: #285 Teh Flowah

How many different conspiracy theories are there?!
Flouridation, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, Freemasons, Chemtrails, AIDS is a bio-weapon...it's like some kind of giant scratch on the hard drive of teh human brain.

298 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:08:52am

re: #285 Teh Flowah

lol. The DTV transition is a brainwashing device. Hahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaah aha.

Sure, you laugh now.

Wait until you start chanting Oh-Ba-Ma! Oh-Ba-Ma! Oh-Ba-Ma!

299 humpty dumpty was pushed  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:08:56am

Friends of mine have been lining up a tea party out here in West Texas. Their intent is active protestation of massive gov`t spending in a fun, let`s have hotdogs and music kind of way. Interest has been high. Unfortunately, a few people are trying to "help" by pushing agendas beyond the desired, limited scope of the rally. (Abortion, religion, etc.) There is no way to exclude these people from the public festivities and it is discouraging to know that the message of fiscal restraint will be supplanted to some degree by coat tail riders. Even so, April 15th will be a fun day here.

300 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:10am
301 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:22am

re: #277 Russkilitlover

Just don't leave without articulating your position.

I won't.

Ask mikalm about my ability to speak extemporaneously.

302 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:29am

re: #128 zombie
Hey zombie - I agree with you. Regrettably when the people assemble freely, you are inevitably gonna get some real whackos in the crowd. And THAT is what the MSM will cover and make a big deal out of - not what the majority of folks come to say and hear.
Unless, of course, it's a LEFTIST assembly of people (which, for anarchists is obviously necessary; they aren't going to organize anything!) where you will hear at least 10 times as many horrible things. But the MSM will not cover it or will only cover it to show the "police brutality" that was used to control them or a confrontation between whatever Leftist groups are protesting and counter-protesters.
Hearing this "burn the books" crap makes me nauseous and brings my admittedly always on a low boil anger level to a high boil.
But then what do the "right" people do zom? Do we give up our rights to peacefully assemble and have a public discourse (and yes, sometimes a public discourse is shouting back and forth)? How do we keep the weirdos (our version, if you will, of the anarchists) out of the demonstration?
And frankly I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover that some folks have been planted in attendance to yell things like burn the books or worse.
I DO hate the fact that people yell things like "burn the books" or even worse, but I just don't know how to avail ourselves of our constitutionally granted freedom of assembly. Shout them down - absolutely, but I suspect many clear thinking individuals are or have been so shocked that someone would say such a thing that they don't have the reflexes to respond before some other nutter joins the fray followed by his or her fellow nutters.
I wish I had an answer to this because the Vietnam War showed that LARGE demonstrations - when covered by the MSM in a fair manner - CAN have an impact on governmental policy.
Shit.

303 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:32am

re: #283 avanti

OK, since I got away with that one, let me share a trade secret. When the Obmabots have their meet and greets, it's a multilevel deal starting with the administration, down to the local neighborhood meet and greets. When we show up in a local bar far example, we are greeted by a local guy or gal that is "in charge'.
He or she knows what to learn from the voters attending and what conduct would be harmful. More then anything, there is some organization, someone is "in charge"
It seems the tea parties are loose cannons, some may be wonderful, others may be loon fests and no one is there to control it.
The idea of a citizens grass root protest is a fine one, but a 1000 good citizens best intentions can be hijacked by one loon with the MSM watching. For us, it would be Code pink or the like for the left, for you, maybe John Birch'ers.

OK what did you do with the real Avanti?

304 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:09:45am

re: #274 Dianna

I did - Did you get the reply, with attached pdf.?

Good, but disturbing material, and hard to put down. I just don't have time to read it all in one sitting, or I would have.
I'm somewhat over halfway, and should be done during the weekend.

305 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:01am

re: #297 davinvalkri

re: #285 Teh Flowah

How many different conspiracy theories are there?!
Flouridation, Skull and Bones, Illuminati, Freemasons, Chemtrails, AIDS is a bio-weapon...it's like some kind of giant scratch on the hard drive of teh human brain.

Maybe these are descendants of the people who saw snakes everywhere, so they were placed at the mouth of the cave as nightwatchmen.

306 NY Nana  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:06am

I have proof that Glenn Beck really is a perfect a**hole:

307 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:27am

re: #279 MandyManners

LEAVE WESLEY ALONE!

Ensign Wesley Crusher, please report to the nearest airlock.

308 Daria Emmons  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:40am

re: #242 Emerald

You really don't see a problem with someone urging a crowd to burn books and being greeted with cheers? Do you have any understanding of history and movements that start off by burning books?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I sure as hell don't want to be associated ever remotely with a group that tolerates that type of fanaticism. It never ends well.

I have a problem with book burning. I am 100% against it. I just do not see evidence in that video that this random loon is representative of the larger tea party movement. If indeed this is representative of the larger movement, I would like to know so I can avoid tea parties in the future.

309 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:44am

re: #274 Dianna

I did - Did you get the reply, with attached pdf.?

No I didn't see it...Could you resend..Thanks

310 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:10:58am

re: #292 Daria Emmons

If you have other videos of tea parties which show this sort of material, I believe it would be productive to post it.

311 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:11:01am

re: #302 realwest
#128 Zombie - sorry my post #302 took me so long to write and post!

312 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:11:13am

Is the book a witch?

313 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:11:16am

re: #283 avanti

Why don't you just call that 'guy' what he is - a community organizer running the standard Alinsky playbook.

Also, ask yourself how often different points of view that are outside the preconceived approach and goals are addressed and seriously considered. Many of those meetings are nothing but examples of kabuki theater.

The tea parties may or may not be sufficiently organized - but as we saw with the run up to last year's election, the fringe on the right, the Birchers, the Paulbots, and the creationists have no compulsion to hijack and use any event possible to promote their agenda - and they count on intimidating anyone who might object. When there are no objections, they declare another success. That is why we real conservatives have to speak out and deny them that platform and forum. It taints us and empowers them.

314 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:02am

You know, Dickens captured human nature perfectly in his Madame LaFarge. The burning lady reminds me of her--she might as well be saying "Death to the aristos". She sounds like someone who has taken a personal slight/insult (yes, the killing of Madame LaFarge's husband was an insult--a gross one) and turned it into a huge vendetta. Let's also keep in mind that Hitler's antisemitism had a start, too.

315 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:07am

re: #292 Daria Emmons

This is the first video you posted (as far as I know) wherein a tea party showed evidence of this.

I have no affiliation with tea parties right now, but I do not see one random meeting as indicative of the broader movement which is across the country.

If you have other videos of tea parties which show this sort of material, I believe it would be productive to post it.

Ask Killgore Trout. He can send you lots and lots and lots and lots and lots.

KT is not happy. I think he's something like the official archivist for "bad crazy is breaking loose".

316 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:13am

Gah, I can't keep letting this madness between my ears.
What is the antidote?

317 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:23am

re: #255 Iron Fist

So we should cede the public airwaves to the Left and be done with it? "Oh, well, the Left will send mobies and make us look bad" may be the truth, but if we let them stop us, why won't they just hold their rally and put on nothing but their nutters ranting bullshit we all disagree with?

How do we stop that from happening? (short of violence, in any event)

The key is buried in your comment: "airwaves." Control of the media and the the "narrative" is what counts. Allowing leftists to run amok in the streets is not "ceding control of the airwaves," it is simply letting the idiots makes fools of themselves in public.

Think back to 1968. The public saw the Far Left run rampant at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. It left the electorate aghast. There were no similar protests at the Republican Convention. And the end result was, the "average" level-headed American repudiated the Democratic party that year -- because of the protests.

Or rather, more accurately, because of the media coverage of the protests.

What needs to happen is that a million citizen journalists need to pick up their cameras and recording devices and hit the streets, documenting the outrageousness of what's really going on. I'm reminded of that college-student girl who, on her own initiative, found bums and drug addicts voting multiple times illegally in Ohio, being bussed from polling station to polling station by ACORN. But all she was personally able to capture was that single instance. But what if there were a million people like her, like all of us citizen journalists? Now that would be a fearsome "protest."

Let the Left run wild in the street. I cede them that. Because it doesn't do them any good.

Where they're winning the battle is in "narrative control," and that's where we need to fight back and hard.

318 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:30am

re: #309 HoosierHoops

No I didn't see it...Could you resend..Thanks

On the way!

319 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:54am

re: #306 NY Nana

Yup, that is the video that really soured me.

I am fine with someone trying to illustrate their feelings, or speak from experience, but the way he acted in that video, was neither manly or flattering.

320 Dainn  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:55am

re: #288 alegrias

* * * *
Have you checked out your local city council, state delegates, state congressional representatives, or U.S. Senators?

Do you know them, have you contacted them? They are there to listen to you & serve you & represent you.


Yes, I am very active in my local politics, and my state reps know what I think if they care to read my letters. :) But I do live in California: the left coast.

My point is that until we get a national leader to rally behind, Glen Beck and people like him are going to fill in as substitutes. The Dems couldn't ask for anything better.

321 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:12:58am

re: #195 Killgore Trout

That's nonsense and I think you know that. Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds have already been pushing the conspiracy theory that lefties are going to infiltrate the Tea Parties to make the look bad. There's no need to infiltrate. The organizers, the speakers and the attendees are insane. There's no need to add anything. This video was proudly posted by a supporter. There are dozens more videos, pictures and Tea Party webpages out there that show the same thing.
Don't embarrass yourself by trying to turn this into a conspiracy.

I certainly don't think it is unreasonable to be on guard against people being planted. I'd be surpirsed if the left didn't try this. And no, I do not know whether she was or not. And I'm certainly not embarrassed for posing a question.

322 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:13:18am

re: #316 rawmuse

Gah, I can't keep letting this madness between my ears.
What is the antidote?

I could Rick Roll you and distract you, but that would be cruel.

323 SFGoth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:13:22am

I'm just going to get stoned and let the lunacy pass me by.

324 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:14:09am

re: #286 Edouard

Good points. Fundamentally, Beck and WND are doing the same thing that NBC / MSNBC did during the last election cycle. In the effort to gain eyeballs and ratings, they have decided to pander to the disaffected and angry by embracing the same extreme positions and conspiracy theories that the fringe embrace. The fringe, in the past, only had their own limited outlets with which to live within the echo chamber. Now we are having elements of the MSM pandering to them for the simple purpose of ratings and money.

325 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:14:45am

re: #316 rawmuse

Gah, I can't keep letting this madness between my ears.
What is the antidote?

10-year old single malt --and lots of it. Cigars help too. (About the only good thing we'll get if we normalize relations with Cuba)

326 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:02am

re: #254 Claire

Do


look crazy to you?

/My peeps.

That one doesn't look like it's been infiltrated yet. HOWEVER, still pretty embarassing that one sign says: Socialism Works - just look at Cuba and

East Germany

. ?

327 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:05am

re: #318 Dianna

On the way!

Hoops? It says it went.

328 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:09am

re: #316 rawmuse

Gah, I can't keep letting this madness between my ears.
What is the antidote?

You could replace it with this Madness.

329 kawfytawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:41am

I don't have a problem attending a local tea party...the one in Fort Worth had no such crazies. I would like to show my opposition to these huge spending bills, since my local congressman...Edwards....has turned a deaf ear to his constituents. If I see/hear a freak talking about book burning you can bet your sweet patooty...I will say something.

FWIW...I have heard that acorn and the like are planning to show up and disrupt.

330 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:15:50am

re: #7 Erik The Red

I thought the idea of the tea parties was a good one. Unfortunately they seem to have been hijacked by the kooky right.

Where are all the sane Conservatives?

At home, drinking the pain away.

331 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:16am

re: #325 calcajun

Already had my lifetime quotient of whiskey, but I do have a cigar when someone gives me a good one. Wouldn't want to insult them or anything :)

332 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #323 SFGoth

I'm just going to get stoned and let the lunacy pass me by.

Come on over and I'll pour you some Speyside.
[Link: www.speyside.com...]

333 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:26am

re: #179 nikis-knight

By the way, are you aware that the Obama administration argued before the supreme court (I believe, might have been a lesser) that they had the right to ban books under campaign finance laws?

There must be more to it then that, linky ?

334 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:35am

re: #292 Daria Emmons

It only takes one example to define and influence a perception. Reality becomes immaterial if one can define and influence a perception.

335 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:16:59am

re: #323 SFGoth

I'm just going to get stoned and let the lunacy pass me by.

Enjoy! (Try not to have any liquid in your mouth at 1:10 though)

Holy Ghost VS Pendulum & MC GQ - Baptazia part 2

336 SFGoth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:17:18am

re: #325 calcajun

10-year old single malt --and lots of it. Cigars help too. (About the only good thing we'll get if we normalize relations with Cuba)

Uhhh, Cuban women?
There are good blends. Single malts are overrated. I think the embargo of Cuba is as smart as the embargo of China and Vietnam. Oh, wait....

337 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #304 Kosh's Shadow

Good, but disturbing material, and hard to put down. I just don't have time to read it all in one sitting, or I would have.
I'm somewhat over halfway, and should be done during the weekend.

Thank you!

I promise not to harass my readers. I promise not to harass my readers. I promise not to harass my readers....

338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:17:20am

re: #331 rawmuse

Think that's why 0bama's trying to ease relations with Cubans? Got a bunch of friends who like Cuban cigars?

339 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:17:41am

re: #331 rawmuse

Already had my lifetime quotient of whiskey, but I do have a cigar when someone gives me a good one. Wouldn't want to insult them or anything :)

Good cigars are like sex. Never refuse cause you don't know when you'll get another chance.

340 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:33am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Think that's why 0bama's trying to ease relations with Cubans? Got a bunch of friends who like Cuban cigars?

Rush will be happy for that fact alone. Now, he'll be able to get them legally.

341 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:35am

re: #327 Dianna

Hoops? It says it went.

Thanks..my email is acting up i guess and I broke my Blackberry..
I'll check again in a while.. Thank you!

342 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:18:42am

re: #300 TimC

not sure if it's affiliated with Beck or what. The petition itself is reasonable/based on Constitution.


Yes it is affiliated with Glenn Beck, it's his site and his project.
The fact that you don't see anything wrong with that petition is a problem. There's a lot of misinformation out there being pushed by relatively "normal" people. It's tough to stay informed.

343 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:28am

re: #306 NY Nana

I have proof that Glenn Beck really is a perfect a**hole:


[Video]

What a Martyr!

344 pink freud  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:33am
345 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:49am

re: #299 humpty dumpty was pushed

Friends of mine have been lining up a tea party out here in West Texas. Their intent is active protestation of massive gov`t spending in a fun, let`s have hotdogs and music kind of way. Interest has been high. Unfortunately, a few people are trying to "help" by pushing agendas beyond the desired, limited scope of the rally. (Abortion, religion, etc.) There is no way to exclude these people from the public festivities and it is discouraging to know that the message of fiscal restraint will be supplanted to some degree by coat tail riders. Even so, April 15th will be a fun day here.

This is why "Tea Parties" are not a "movement builder" for the future.

There is a reason politics is hard. There is a reason you can't just walk into the Republican County Convention and throw out the ___________ whom you don't agree with. It takes a lot of talk to convince others what the important issues are, and what the successful strategy will be. The ones already in the room think they already know that stuff. You have some credibility walking into the room if you have a good idea, and they lost the last election. If they won, it will be harder to convince them to change.

346 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:19:56am

re: #338 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Think that's why 0bama's trying to ease relations with Cubans? Got a bunch of friends who like Cuban cigars?

No, those can already be had if you know where to look. Plus I think the Dominican ones are as good, sometimes better.

BTW, I have been to Cuba 3 times in the last 25 years. We don't want anything to do with their way of life.

347 SFGoth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:02am

re: #332 calcajun

Come on over and I'll pour you some Speyside.
[Link: www.speyside.com...]

Damn, tasting notes look tasty. I'm hosting a blind scotch-tasting at my place sometime next month. Mmmm, mmmm. Inviting some goth friends over. They're far more libertarian than people think (the scotch-drinking ones; scotch is not a liberal's drink). In fact, the latest thread on the S.F. gothic list is the right to pack, and few people are saying nay.

348 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:07am

re: #330 Pawn of the Oppressor

At home, drinking the pain away.

Much like I am doing right now :)

349 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:37am

re: #317 zombie
Hey zombie - please see my #302 above. In point of fact, the mass demonstrations against the Vietnam war did as much as anything to bring that war to an end. Street demonstrations (which, unlike the one you cited at the '68 Dem convention) that are more or less peaceful or are at least covered as peaceful by the MSM can have an ENORMOUS impact on public thinking. Let the Left run wild in the street is ceding to the Left that which ALSO belongs to us (I am, of course, talking about non-violent protests of which there were many, with hundreds of thousands of people in attendance during the Vietnam War).

350 MarineMomSue  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:20:44am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Lets have a LGF Tea Party. Charles picks the speakers, I select the venue, reine is in charge of the food and red is the bar tender.

Will there be popcorn? Fruitcup?

351 Edouard  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:34am

To an extent, some people's Internet habits are to blame for some of the lunacy that's bubbling out. It's easy as can be to create an Internet diet of Stormfront, PrisonPlanet, and a bunch of other whacked-out sites and just jump right into the stew and stay there, avoiding accountability to neighbors and community, and nurturing an antisocial rage. Unfortunately there are quite a few nuclear-resistant cockroaches created in just such ways nowadays.

352 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:42am

re: #321 LGoPs

I certainly don't think it is unreasonable to be on guard against people being planted. I'd be surpirsed if the left didn't try this. And no, I do not know whether she was or not. And I'm certainly not embarrassed for posing a question.

Good for you.

353 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:48am

re: #122 Ringo the Gringo

How about a wine tasting?

Sign me up.

354 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:21:51am

They are actually dong a poll on FOX "Capitalism vs Socialism"? What the F.. has this country come to?

355 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:18am

re: #347 SFGoth

Damn, tasting notes look tasty. I'm hosting a blind scotch-tasting at my place sometime next month. Mmmm, mmmm. Inviting some goth friends over. They're far more libertarian than people think (the scotch-drinking ones; scotch is not a liberal's drink). In fact, the latest thread on the S.F. gothic list is the right to pack, and few people are saying nay.

Hear hear. I like the idea of concealed carry. It's worked rather well in Texas. Of course, car thefts and burglaries have gone up, but rapes and muggings are way down.

356 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:36am

re: #316 rawmuse

Gah, I can't keep letting this madness between my ears.
What is the antidote?

Temporarily, at least ... try the Benny Goodman Quartet, early 70's

/Hey, it works for me

357 apachegunner  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:22:42am

re: #323 SFGoth

I'm just going to get stoned and let the lunacy pass me by.

pass it around please

358 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:23:25am

re: #302 realwest

Hey zombie - I agree with you. Regrettably when the people assemble freely, you are inevitably gonna get some real whackos in the crowd. And THAT is what the MSM will cover and make a big deal out of - not what the majority of folks come to say and hear.
Unless, of course, it's a LEFTIST assembly of people (which, for anarchists is obviously necessary; they aren't going to organize anything!) where you will hear at least 10 times as many horrible things. But the MSM will not cover it or will only cover it to show the "police brutality" that was used to control them or a confrontation between whatever Leftist groups are protesting and counter-protesters.
Hearing this "burn the books" crap makes me nauseous and brings my admittedly always on a low boil anger level to a high boil.
But then what do the "right" people do zom? Do we give up our rights to peacefully assemble and have a public discourse (and yes, sometimes a public discourse is shouting back and forth)? How do we keep the weirdos (our version, if you will, of the anarchists) out of the demonstration?...

The key, as I mentioned to Iron Fist, is how the assemblies are portrayed in the media, not necessarily what goes on in any particular assembly.

For example, I know an old hippie dude who went to the Altamont concert in 1969. Now, when the average person hears the word "Altamont," they think, "Oh, that was that disastrous rock festival where people were stabbed to death and the Hell's Angels beat people up and it was a big mess and the hideous end to the '60s -- the anti-Woodstock." And why does the average American think that? Because that's how it was protrayed by the MSM (including in this case a movie). But this old hippie dude was there, and all he remembers was a groovy concert. He was way too far back in the crowd to see or even hear about any stabbing, and he didn't even know the Hell's Angels were there at all.

So what happened is that 300,000 people came together to have a music festival with the world's greatest bands -- and a single act of violent by a single person completely ruined and discredited the entire event.

What is necessary is to wrest control of the mike back from the extremists who have taken over the MSM.

359 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:23:34am

re: #323 SFGoth

I'm just going to get stoned and let the lunacy pass me by.

Well, that seems to be the only option left.

Seriously, if these things are being renounced what's to do? What is appropriate for action for someone who is sickened by the spending, the incompetence, the collectivization, the government intrusion, the skewed priorities, etc, etc... I was thinking these would be good if only to get people involved and networked. If not this what? Calls don't work, letters get ignored, contributions go down a rat hole or to candidates that sell you out... Left right and middle it seems that you are thwarted and the only thing left is to just go back to work and give the government whatever it wants in the ope that it just goes away. Either that or get baked "and let the lunacy pass me by."

Sorry, It makes me lazy, eat too much and my eyes water so I am going to need another option. Anyone?

360 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:23:36am

re: #350 MarineMomSue

Will there be popcorn? Fruitcup?

lol makes the fruitcup and 2M or Sharmuta can bring the popcorn.

361 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:24am

re: #348 Erik The Red

Much like I am doing right now :)

Never drink in the afternoon
Never drink alone
But I sure do like a drink or two
When I get home

Let me tell you what I do
I sit here in this chair
I pour myself some whiskey
And watch my troubls vanish into the air

CHORUS
Rollin' rollin'
Ain't gonna worry no more
Rollin' rollin'
Ain't gonna worry no more

Used to worry about gamblin'
Throwin' my money away
Used to worry about wastin' time
And layin' round the house all day

But I'm all right now
I'm all right now
I never thought I'd make it
But I always do somehow
I'm all right

Rollin' by Randy Newman

362 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:26am

Island DIY: Kauai residents don't wait for state to repair road

Their livelihood was being threatened, and they were tired of waiting for government help, so business owners and residents on Hawaii's Kauai island pulled together and completed a $4 million repair job to a state park -- for free.

[snip]

And after only eight days, all of the repairs were done, Pleas said. It was a shockingly quick fix to a problem that may have taken much longer if they waited for state money to funnel in.

Wait till the state gets done fining them for lack of permits, EIS, failure to pay prevailing wages etc....

HT Rush.

363 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:32am

re: #248 katemaclaren

UP
Ding!
Ding!
Ding!
Ding!

Haven't laughed that hard in a long time! Thanks!

364 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:41am

re: #349 realwest

The difference with the protests against the war in Vietnam was that they were kept as strictly single issue events. This has not been replicated since. You can see at Zombietime that every lefty issue under the sun now shows up at each event. That's why they long for the "good old days."

365 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #92 Hengineer

I forget what movie I heard it in: "A Human being is smart. PEOPLE are dumb, stupid and you know it"

Its amazing when you get people individually what they say compared with what mobs together say.

Men in Black. Tommy Lee Jones.

366 Egregious Philbin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:24:53am

Angry ignorant folk getting all ginned up by a nutty entertainer.

Environmentalists? Code Pink?

Nope, people who are on our side.

I don't like where this is going, I'm sitting on the sidelines and letting these 'tards destroy themselves.

367 apachegunner  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:25:06am

re: #339 calcajun

Good cigars are like sex. Never refuse cause you don't know when you'll get another chance.

in bill clinton's case good cigars were FOR sex!

368 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:07am

re: #367 apachegunner

in bill clinton's case good cigars were FOR sex!

I'm with Freud on that one--and it would be a waste of a smoke.

369 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:19am
370 wiffersnapper  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:25am

re: #210 davinvalkri

It bothers me to no end with all the crazies out there, that I feel like I need to empathize with them a little bit by banging my head against the wall.

But to be honest, I should have just done *nerf nerf nerf* and said "idiots idiots idiots."

371 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:45am

re: #333 avanti

There must be more to it then that, linky ?

I think I read it in print; since I can't find a link right now I retract it, then, unless I can.

372 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:26:54am

re: #298 Racer X

Sure, you laugh now.

Wait until you start chanting Oh-Ba-Ma! Oh-Ba-Ma! Oh-Ba-Ma!

Resistance is futile.
the Borg

373 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:27:06am

re: #47 tfc3rid


These parties are happening because of the 912 Project but what is said there is not necessarily run by the Beck people...

Correct, Beck himself cannot control who attends every meeting.

However, presumably for the sake of his own pocketbook (TV ratings) he has not, so far as I know, publicly denounced the crazies who are showing up. Perhaps he will do that finally as time goes on? I'm not holding my breath.

I have also noticed on some of the "We surround them" meet-up boards explicit solicitation by the Birch Society to come to their own meetings, with a sadly missing set of rebukes.

There are ways to show opposition to the current political leadership without resorting to conspiracy theories, general nuttiness, or mob rule ("burn the books".)

374 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:27:36am

Is this a remake of the movie "Meet John Doe" gone wrong?

"Is there any room left in the movement for a minion, I think I'd make a great minion." Mark Twain

375 Defector01  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:28:08am

Don't assume that because at one of these a few nutjobs ran the show that people who joined and support the project believe in this

376 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:28:53am

The 912 org linked above is pimping skousen books and Fema camp vids in their forums, that's just from a quick glance.

377 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:29:00am

re: #282 Racer X

Not at all.

Its CIA mind control.

We need to keep our conspiracy theories straight.

The CIA mind control had me blaming the communists. Damn.

378 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:29:20am

re: #369 taxfreekiller

Yes, but I want my opposition not only to be organized, but somewhat intelligent. The mouth-breathing rabble should be kept to the back of the bus--or, T. Coddrington VanVoorhies VII said, driven back down to the orlop deck where they belong--at sword-point if necessary.

379 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:29:30am

re: #323 SFGoth

Amen, dude!

380 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:29:37am

re: #324 Athos Athos my friend, you are absolutely correct (although I also suspect money and ratings are behind most of the MSM's support for Obama).
But let's suppose we had a real leader (God knows not Glenn Beck or the Birchers or Neo-Nazi's) to lead us at these mass public assemblies - what would stop some nutters - genuine and plants - from still yelling out "burn the books"? And while I'd expect a a decent leader (think Rudy, Romney) would shout that person down, we both know what the MSM would show: the nutter yelling burn the books. And this time not just for the money and ratings, but because it would advance the (mostly) MSM agenda of supporting the extreme Left in this country.

381 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:06am

re: #303 johnnyreb

OK what did you do with the real Avanti?

The real Avanti wants a choice in the future, the Chosen one can only serve two terms. :)

382 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:30:45am

re: #375 Defector01

Don't assume that because at one of these a few nutjobs ran the show that people who joined and support the project believe in this

It's immaterial. The focus will be on the nutjob. Unless the others repudiated the nutjob, they will be linked, fairly or unfairly, with that nutjob. Perception is what counts.....

383 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:31:37am

re: #381 avanti

The real Avanti wants a choice in the future, the Chosen one can only serve two terms. :)

Does the real Avanti come out when you take your meds or when you forget?

384 karmasherabwangchuk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:31:49am

re: #5 Ringo the Gringo
wow great tune from the 70's!

Wingnuts on the Right, moonbats on the Left...
stuck in the middle with you. stuck in the middle with you

385 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:32:07am

re: #378 calcajun

God's problem... Free Will

Liberal's problem... Free Speech

386 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:32:42am

re: #349 realwest

Hey zombie - please see my #302 above. In point of fact, the mass demonstrations against the Vietnam war did as much as anything to bring that war to an end. Street demonstrations (which, unlike the one you cited at the '68 Dem convention) that are more or less peaceful or are at least covered as peaceful by the MSM can have an ENORMOUS impact on public thinking. Let the Left run wild in the street is ceding to the Left that which ALSO belongs to us (I am, of course, talking about non-violent protests of which there were many, with hundreds of thousands of people in attendance during the Vietnam War).

Again, it comes back to how they were protrayed.

About ten years ago in Berkeley there were a photo exhibit about the anti-war protests of the '60s and early '70s. It featured many rare and never-before-seen photos -- hundreds and hundreds of them.

I attended and look very carefully at many of the photos. And I was pretty shocked: The messages on most of the signs were as virulent, hateful and anti-American as any of the signs in my "Zombietime Hall of Shame." Extremist communist and Maoist rhetoric, calls for violent overthrow of the US, calls for race war, hopes for US soliders to get killed, etc. etc.

But almost none of that was ever portrayed by the MSM. Just as now, they cherry-picked the one photo of the pretty girl with face paint putting a flower in the barrel of a national guardsman's gun, etc.

If the American public had seen what these protests were for the most part really like, perhaps their reaction would have been different.

It always comes down to who moderates the message: the mainstream media.

And lastly: The very notion that the street protests caused the end of the Vietnam War is itself a lie promoted by the Left. We won't delve into all the historical details here, but there were other reasons which brought our involvement in the war to an end.

387 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:17am

re: #291 Kosh's Shadow

Write it as though it were non-fiction and you'll make a bundle.

Self-publish? Might do that with two vampire/horror novels I banged out some years back. How much is needed to do that?

388 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:33:32am

OK, this is really cool.

Panorama of Whitney summit nr 2

389 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:01am

re: #358 zombie

The key, as I mentioned to Iron Fist, is how the assemblies are portrayed in the media, not necessarily what goes on in any particular assembly.

For example, I know an old hippie dude who went to the Altamont concert in 1969. Now, when the average person hears the word "Altamont," they think, "Oh, that was that disastrous rock festival where people were stabbed to death and the Hell's Angels beat people up and it was a big mess and the hideous end to the '60s -- the anti-Woodstock." And why does the average American think that? Because that's how it was protrayed by the MSM (including in this case a movie). But this old hippie dude was there, and all he remembers was a groovy concert. He was way too far back in the crowd to see or even hear about any stabbing, and he didn't even know the Hell's Angels were there at all.

So what happened is that 300,000 people came together to have a music festival with the world's greatest bands -- and a single act of violent by a single person completely ruined and discredited the entire event.

What is necessary is to wrest control of the mike back from the extremists who have taken over the MSM.

four people dies at Altamont...one murder, two run over by a car, and another passed out in a ditch and drowned....around a hundred people were treated for stabbing and beatings by the Hell's Angels who went utterly berzerk...the Dead would not even play...all kinds of stuff was thrown at the bands...photographers and writers were savagely beaten...crew members and security...the Angels went crazy...it was a total disaster

390 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:01am

FreedomWorks is the main national organizer of Tea Parties. Here are their articles on Ron Paul.
Be aware of what you are supporting by attending these Tea Parties. If you want to go that's fine by me, just be aware of what you're doing.

391 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:02am

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

392 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:35am

re: #385 Earick

God's problem... Free Will

Liberal's problem... Free Speech

The reason why some people have free speech is because no one want to pay them anything for it.

393 Earick  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:34:39am

The sun has finally come out. Time to go play with my bees!

All you Liziods play nice, now!

I'll be back to check on you later!

394 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:35:54am

re: #390 Killgore Trout

FreedomWorks is the main national organizer of Tea Parties. Here are their articles on Ron Paul.
Be aware of what you are supporting by attending these Tea Parties. If you want to go that's fine by me, just be aware of what you're doing.

I think there are utterly independent tea parties, but they should know what tar the brush will be dragged through before it paints them.

395 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:35:57am

re: #387 calcajun

Write it as though it were non-fiction and you'll make a bundle.

Self-publish? Might do that with two vampire/horror novels I banged out some years back. How much is needed to do that?

Amazon and others will do it on-demand for free, for a cut of the sales.
No need for expensive vanity publishers. Just have Amazon do it, and buy ads on the internet. Makes it really easy for people to buy, and they don't have to decide if they trust you with their credit card numbers. Amazon takes care of it.

396 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:35:59am

re: #391 Charles

Wait until Nuffpo discovers the Nesara UFO cult at the Tea Parties. It's gonna be funny.

397 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:08am

re: #380 realwest

Yes, I will give you the possibility that someone would focus on just the nutjob, not the leader responding to that person and repudiating their call.

However, that is easily countered by providing the full context and in doing so one further discredits and marginalizes the media outlet that showed only part of the story.

This becomes a double edged sword too, because not every heckler in a crowd deserves a response. Speakers are taught to remain on message as opposed to allowing themselves sidetracked to working the agenda of some heckler. But I feel that some statements are so outrageous, they have to ridiculed and repudiated from the podium or from others in the crowd.

398 johnnyreb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:18am

re: #382 Athos

It's immaterial. The focus will be on the nutjob. Unless the others repudiated the nutjob, they will be linked, fairly or unfairly, with that nutjob. Perception is what counts.....

Because nothing sells like nutjobs. Lets face it, the MSM will never ever show a peaceful demonstration that has well articulated and intelligent points and peaceful demonstrators. Their job is to sell or make the news. If they don't do that, they will not stay in business.

They have to cover the weird stuff to have those little "more at 11" teasers that boost their ratings numbers.

399 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:36am

Where was all this energy, resources and willingness to go and be associated with the lowest common denominators of society in the name of freedom...

BEFORE THE ELECTION?

Please don't tell me anything this adminstration has done or initiated has surprised anyone.

400 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:36:57am

re: #386 zombie

Excellent points Zombie.

Which is why the looming bankruptcy of the New York Times and others does not bother me a wit.

When journalism has to go completely on line, the power to moderate will diminish.

401 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:01am
402 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:05am

re: #358 zombie
"What is necessary is to wrest control of the mike back from the extremists who have taken over the MSM."
I couldn't agree more. But HOW is the real question. Keep in mind that while FOX has (more than) it's share of nutters on screen, we have to wrest the mikes back from all of the other MSM too - it's not just MSNBC and Keith and Chrissy - it's all of 'em.
And I don't see how that's gonna happen unless and until the MSM wakes up and stops playing kissy face with Obama.

403 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:06am

OT - Pirate Update from Drudge:


Pirate comrades steaming toward the standoff with ships of hostages.

Methinks our inaction is about to get people killed.

404 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:07am

re: #394 wrenchwench

No, they are the central hub. You'll see Freedom Works signs at pretty much every tea party.

405 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:13am

re: #395 Kosh's Shadow

Cool.

406 Perplexed  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:14am

Uh, the slogan "US out of the UN and UN out of the US" is originally a slogan from the John Birch Society.

407 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:22am

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Nuffpo.
/heh

408 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:36am

France frees yacht off Somalia, hostage killed
Published: 04.10.09, 20:21 / Israel News
French forces have freed a yacht captured by pirates off Somalia last weekend in an operation that left one hostage and two of the pirates dead, President Nicolas Sarkozy's office said on Friday.

Four other hostages, including a child, were saved, while three other pirates were captured, the statement said. (Reuters)

Maybe just maybe there is a pirate problem off Somalia?

409 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:37:49am

re: #396 Killgore Trout

Wait until Nuffpo discovers the Nesara UFO cult at the Tea Parties. It's gonna be funny.

*moan*

It will be hysterical.

410 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:48am

re: #391 Charles

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

It seems no different from Zombie's reports, or the ones that others of us do when we attend the anti-war / anti-US marches around the country. I hope that we don't give them too much in terms of looniness from the right - but I'm afraid that you are right Charles - they will get and use a lot of juicy stuff.

411 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:38:54am

re: #409 Dianna

I ws originally pretty angry about this but I've calmed down and accepted it. Now I can just laugh.

412 realwest  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:02am

WHOA JEEZ - Thunder and Lightning just starte here!
I'm outta here folks - hope y'all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

413 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:39:03am

Vatican denies it vetoed US choice for ambassador
Published: 04.10.09, 19:10 / Israel News
The Vatican is denying that it has rejected several candidates for US Ambassador to the Holy See because of their support for abortion rights.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said Friday that he checked the reports in the American and Italian media and there is no truth to them. He also told the US Catholic News Service that no names of proposed ambassadors had reached the Vatican from Washington. (AP)

Anybody believe this? I don't. I think the Vatican is sending a not to subtle message to Obama.

414 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:21am

re: #411 Killgore Trout

I ws originally pretty angry about this but I've calmed down and accepted it. Now I can just laugh.

For your sake, I'm happy. I worried that you were a little too worked up over it.

415 Perplexed  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:26am

re: #403 Russkilitlover

OT - Pirate Update from Drudge:

Pirate comrades steaming toward the standoff with ships of hostages.

Methinks our inaction is about to get people killed.

Nearly always does. Wish that they had some SEAL snipers on one of our ships. Match the pirates man for man then have simultaneous shots.

416 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:34am

re: #408 Nevergiveup

France frees yacht off Somalia, hostage killed
Published: 04.10.09, 20:21 / Israel News
French forces have freed a yacht captured by pirates off Somalia last weekend in an operation that left one hostage and two of the pirates dead, President Nicolas Sarkozy's office said on Friday.

Four other hostages, including a child, were saved, while three other pirates were captured, the statement said. (Reuters)

Maybe just maybe there is a pirate problem off Somalia?

So the Franch are willing to use force when Obama isn't.

We have unemployment, a decimated auto industry, a guy in the oval office who tells us to mind our thermostats and tire pressure, and a hostage crisis.

All proof that time travel is possible - it is 1979 all over again.

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:37am

re: #403 Russkilitlover

OT - Pirate Update from Drudge:

Pirate comrades steaming toward the standoff with ships of hostages.

Methinks our inaction is about to get people killed.

Let's hope "the people" that get killed are pirates.

418 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:50am

I'd also like to applaud Charles for taking on this issue. It's going to make him some very big enemies in the blogosphere. It does take courage to post about this.

419 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:40:56am

re: #413 Nevergiveup

I haven't the least.

420 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:14am

re: #403 Russkilitlover

President Barack Obama, who is getting regular updates on the standoff, declined to answer questions about it Friday for a second straight day.

"Present"

421 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:26am

Groundhog Day is boring. We need a When Pigs Fly Day (weather permitting).

422 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:40am

Obama’s good for Tehran
Iranians to benefit from president’s desire to curry favor with dictatorial Islam

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

A quick read and very accurate in my opinion.

423 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:41:45am

re: #391 Charles

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

The sad part is all of the normal citizens being sucked in by this, eventually they will pick up the stench emanating from the basement and leave, but that's going to take some time.

424 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:08am

Hey I pretty well inoculated. Living in San Francisco for more than 30 years, I am surrounded multiple types of Crazy. Yesterday however, I was downtown and noticing that the panhandlers are starting to outnumber the civilians. It is starting to look like a Village of the Damned.

425 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:41am

re: #400 karmic_inquisitor

Excellent points Zombie.

Which is why the looming bankruptcy of the New York Times and others does not bother me a wit.

When journalism has to go completely on line, the power to moderate will diminish.

Then we have the "solution" advocated by former LA Times columnist and still a nutjob Rosa Brooks - "We need government owned newspapers."

426 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:49am

re: #415 Perplexed

Sniping at sea with accuracy is very difficult because you have ship movement to contend with.

427 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:53am

re: #415 Perplexed

Nearly always does. Wish that they had some SEAL snipers on one of our ships. Match the pirates man for man then have simultaneous shots.

Who says they don't? As I understand there is an Amphib there or on it's way with a full contingent of Marines.

428 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:42:56am
429 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:43:05am

re: #389 albusteve

four people dies at Altamont...one murder, two run over by a car, and another passed out in a ditch and drowned....around a hundred people were treated for stabbing and beatings by the Hell's Angels who went utterly berzerk...the Dead would not even play...all kinds of stuff was thrown at the bands...photographers and writers were savagely beaten...crew members and security...the Angels went crazy...it was a total disaster

See? Thanks for proving my point.

Were you there? Doubtful. Your knowledge of it is limited to media coverage. And your impression of it is entirely colored by the media coverage.

Most of the people who were in attendance neither perceived nor participated in any of that violence. It was a huge crowd, 95% of which was wayyyy back from the stage.

Many people died at Woodstock too. More people than at Altamont. But you don't hear about that. A long time ago I read a feminist academic research paper which claimed that hundreds of women were raped at Woodstock as well. Overdoses galore, too. But Woodstock -- oh, Woodstock was a wonderful utopia of peace and love!

In reality, Woodstock and Altamont were approximately equal in the good-stuff/bad-stuff ratio. But one is portrayed as wonderful, the other as horrible. THE MEDIA CONTROLS YOUR PERCEPTIONS.

430 Emerald  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:43:39am

re: #308 Daria Emmons

The crowd cheered her. She was accepted. She's not a lone voice of this tea party; she became the voice of it.

431 reine.de.tout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:44:00am

re: #100 jcm

It just burns you that you don't have one doesn't it?

I love my kindle.

432 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:44:52am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

No, they are the central hub. You'll see Freedom Works signs at pretty much every tea party.

They have nothing in their Tea Party Headquarters listed for New Mexico. Claire linked a nice website for a biggie in Albuquerque, and there's a little one in my town. You may be mistaken about their centrality.

433 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:45:45am

Also keep in mind that just as the media went out of their way to avoid showing the kooks at Leftwing demonstrations, so will they go out of their way now no focus on the kooks at right-leaning demonstrations.

434 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:45:50am

re: #418 Killgore Trout

I'd also like to applaud Charles for taking on this issue. It's going to make him some very big enemies in the blogosphere. It does take courage to post about this.

Charles may be making enemies in some of the blogosphere, but that doesn't matter for sh*t IMO. He is establishing a sane course.

When people realize that Obama is not a moderate and has never had any intention of working with "the other side", and when the MSM can't focus the discussion by moderating information flows, people will lokk for the sane alternatives.

Charles will be one of the very few providing it.

Hyperventilating kookery can't sustain itself as a political force in a democracy.

Charles will be rewarded for his courage, though I imagine that is not why he is doing it.

435 JohnnyReb  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:06am

I am reminded of the 2006 Senate election here in CT. The leftwing blog guys and gals got extremely well organized and nearly gave a no name rich guy the senate seat over Lieberman. They did get Lamont the democrat nomination which IMO is no small feat. They had rallies all over the state and they did not seem to have the nutjob hangers on. I suspect the only reason this happened is that they had a well organized and very well funded staff to coordinate all of this. They did have a security staff as you could see them in the videos and events.

What I am trying to say is that the right can do the same thing. However it is going to take money and a more or less permanent organization. It can't be just spur of the moment type events.

436 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:23am

What I'm trying to say is:

If there was a Tea Party with 500,000 honest, level-headed patriotic American conservatives giving beautiful speeches and displaying insightful messages, and a single crackpot or leftist-plant were to stand in the back of the crowd and yell "Burn all the books!", then the MSM headlines about the rally would read

FASCIST BOOK-BURNING RALLY BRINGS MESSAGE OF HATE TO TULSA

437 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:30am

So anyone else have another option for getting organized and pushing back?

438 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:47:51am

re: #429 zombie

In reality, Woodstock and Altamont were approximately equal in the good-stuff/bad-stuff ratio. But one is portrayed as wonderful, the other as horrible. THE MEDIA CONTROLS YOUR PERCEPTIONS.

And that is a direct attack on the foundations of this Republic. Because the media has clearly chosen a side and dropped any pretense at objectivity or fairness. And I will say that it would be equally threatening if the media was skewed to my side of thinking.
They are derelict in their duty and are an enemy to freedom.

439 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:07am

re: #436 zombie

You are exactly right.

440 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:16am

re: #383 Erik The Red

Does the real Avanti come out when you take your meds or when you forget?

I don't take any, got some good ones ? It's actually funny you mention that. On another blog, there was a fellow that I thought was going to kill me, then had his meds adjusted and we're great buddies now.

441 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:19am

What you are seeing here is the Paleo nexus trying to rebrand and take the lead -- don't get sucked in.

442 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:27am

REPORTER:
"Who knew the big test Biden referred to in the campaign was going to be 8-12 guy in a dingy off the coast of Somalia holding one guy as hostage?"

PRESIDENT ACHMADINAJAD:
"It's not."

443 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:48:28am

re: #431 reine.de.tout

I love my kindle.

I sooo want one of those. My friend got one -- with the leather cover, it feels just like holding a book. But I already spend too much on books, and I just can't justify the expense right now. Sigh.

444 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:03am

Uhhh, I missed this. It explains a lot.......
Reading the Ron Paul Revolution
May 12, 2008 - by Glenn Reynolds

Beyond this disagreement (Foreign policy - ed) - which is a major cleavage among libertarians generally - I find much to agree with. Paul is surely right that the federal government has expanded its powers far beyond anything the Framers contemplated, involving itself in things, like public education, that are best left to the states and to private entities. He is also right that the federal government’s massive expansion is both the cause and the symptom of government corruption, with politicians favoring big government as a source of additional patronage and graft, and with efforts by interest groups to pursue their agendas leading to the creation of new, self-perpetuating bureaucracies (like the Department of Education).
....
I have a few other quibbles - Paul seems to take it for granted that libertarians should oppose abortion,when in fact that’s a highly contested issue among libertarians, and his enthusiasm for the gold standard and hatred of the Federal Reserve verge over toward crank territory - but ,fundamentally, I think it’s a terrific thing that large numbers of Americans are being exposed to these ideas. And, in fact, the areas of disagreement I’ve noted above are just that: disagreements, not fundamental flaws with his approach.


I deleted by bookmark to Instapundit earlier this week.

445 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:08am

re: #391 Charles

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

Of course you can't really keep them out, but you can make them feel unwelcome...or at least, verbally put them in their place.

BTW - I plan on visiting some of these events as well.

446 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:19am

re: #101 grahamski

MLM is the devil!...

Then Amway is a cult.

447 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:19am

re: #429 zombie

I'm telling you the history of events...it is well documented and has been since it happened...look it up for yourself...you can start with Stanley Booth's book about the Stones...he was there, and Stephen Davis also writing about the Stones documents the story in pretty good detail....they are not lying

448 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:49:23am

re: #391 Charles

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

It's over for the Tea Party movement. Over.

This is what I'm talking about. A handful of citizen journalists is more powerful than 100,000 protesters.

449 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:02am

re: #448 zombie

It's over for the Tea Party movement. Over.

This is what I'm talking about. A handful of citizen journalists is more powerful than 100,000 protesters.

Then it truly is OVER for the Right.

450 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:06am

re: #437 Boxy_brown

So anyone else have another option for getting organized and pushing back?

Elections.

451 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:11am

re: #215 Thanos

John Birch Society

It started out as heavily anti-communist, since to become popular any group needs to adopt a populist cause. It very quickly became heavily laced with white supremacists, neo-fascist right (the only thing they hate more than american capitalism is communism) neo-confederate states rights orgs, Jew hating kookspiricists, and any other loon who professed to hate communists.

We always called it the Birch John Society......

452 mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:18am

re: #434 karmic_inquisitor

Hyperventilating kookery can't sustain itself as a political force in a democracy.

How long till Glen Beck starts wearing his necktie on his forehead and dons camouflage face paint. Like Charlie Steiner at the end of this ESPN commercial.

453 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:41am

re: #429 zombie

See? Thanks for proving my point.

Were you there? Doubtful. Your knowledge of it is limited to media coverage. And your impression of it is entirely colored by the media coverage.

Most of the people who were in attendance neither perceived nor participated in any of that violence. It was a huge crowd, 95% of which was wayyyy back from the stage.

Many people died at Woodstock too. More people than at Altamont. But you don't hear about that. A long time ago I read a feminist academic research paper which claimed that hundreds of women were raped at Woodstock as well. Overdoses galore, too. But Woodstock -- oh, Woodstock was a wonderful utopia of peace and love!

In reality, Woodstock and Altamont were approximately equal in the good-stuff/bad-stuff ratio. But one is portrayed as wonderful, the other as horrible. THE MEDIA CONTROLS YOUR PERCEPTIONS.

NOT MINE!

454 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:50:59am

If you control the media, you control everything.

The left controls the media.

455 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:51:07am

re: #436 zombie

Then we have to infiltrate the media. Take it back.
Which is not my line of work. Journalism tends to attract activist liberals.

456 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:51:14am

re: #436 zombie

Sad but true. You are right -- we need to get the message out in a controlled way. I know you're in deep cover, but a You Tube channel might be good for this. When a video goes viral, that's exposure money can't buy. Which one of you attractive, articulate lizards is ready for prime time?

457 Hengineer  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:13am

re: #252 tfc3rid

Well, it is NYC policy to chlorinate and flouridate all water supply... We don't treat so chlorination is required for disinfection...

I know the purpose behind chlorine in the water, to prevent cholera and other water-born pathogens and bacteria making their way into people's bodies. I'm a ship's engineer, I participate in treating water myself (with bromine, but the ideas the same).

That being said, as a ship's engineer who makes and drinks distilled water, I can't stand the taste of tap water. Brita/Pur anyday.

458 mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:26am

re: #456 doppelganglander

Which one of you attractive, articulate lizards is ready for prime time?

I have a face made for radio.

459 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:29am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Other than not bringing up the racists ties discussed here, was there something in what you quoted that you disagreed with or found beyond decency?

460 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:37am

re: #444 Killgore Trout

Uhhh, I missed this. It explains a lot.......
Reading the Ron Paul Revolution
May 12, 2008 - by Glenn Reynolds


I deleted by bookmark to Instapundit earlier this week.

What does Beck have to say about Paul's associations with anti-Semites?

461 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:52:44am

re: #449 Racer X

Then it truly is OVER for the Right.

What we really need to do is come up with a completely new set of tactics.

Something that concentrates a mass of effort at a single point that is unavoidable as a story but can only have a single controlled message.

Like an electronic flash mob of some sort.

462 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:02am

With the media-government cabal nationalizing the banks and the auto industry, trying to disarm law-abiding people with an ammunition tax, and telling us what kind of light bulbs to buy, it would seem that there is no reason to make up crazy stuff like the mind-control TV tuner and FEMA concentration camps to make the case against the left and the Democrats.

Still, people do it and this is what makes me suspect the motives of the crazies. There are a lot of people who just like to make up stuff, preferential liars. To them, anyone can tell the simple truth, while there is power in getting away with an outrageous lie.

463 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:03am

re: #443 doppelganglander

I sooo want one of those. My friend got one -- with the leather cover, it feels just like holding a book. But I already spend too much on books, and I just can't justify the expense right now. Sigh.

I feel the same way - the expense is tough to justify. That's why I was thrilled when the iPhone app came out. Downloaded and read 3 books via this already. Far easier to just pull out the phone and read when waiting than to carry a book.

464 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:03am

re: #391 Charles

The Huffington Post is calling for "citizen journalists" to attend tea parties and take photos and video. Some right-wing bloggers are calling this "infiltration."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Looks like HuffPo is going to have lots of juicy stuff, because nobody seems to care at all about keeping the kooks out.

No question that will happen, just look at the second video you posted with the leftie searching out the nirthers.

465 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:11am

Seemingly appropriate for this thread.

I sense something...

466 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:13am

re: #450 Jimmah

Ok, well, I contributed, volunteered and worked to get out the vote and we had circles run around us by the opposition. Literally, everywhere we went we had had a dozen people from Acorn, or the young democrats, or the obama youth or whatever ahead of us. We were out organized, out spent and above all out worked. So voting is great. Is that it?

467 FightingBack  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:53:49am

re: #437 Boxy_brown

So anyone else have another option for getting organized and pushing back?

About 4 years ago I was at a Republican event for "small" business owners. We were kinda sorted as "small" by the size of the donations. I thought that I had gone to heaven. Owners of ethnic food markets, owners of print shops, small oil drillers, computer entrepreneurs, doctors in practice, etc. What a great bunch. Start with them.

468 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:01am

re: #456 doppelganglander

I speak well, but I have a face made for radio. And my voice was made for print.

469 SFGoth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:07am

re: #449 Racer X

Then it truly is OVER for the Right.

If the Right embodies kooks.... The Center is going to have to feel the pain of totalitarianism and wake up.

470 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:10am

wow....complete loonies

471 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:19am
472 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:33am

re: #458 mich-again

I have a face made for radio.

We can put you on the podcast, then.

473 Sunlight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:40am

OT So I guess the U.S. Military is now getting the treatment the Bush people gave Israel in summer '06. Don't fire. Don't protect your people. Don't get back kidnapped people. Really, the captive captain jumped off the boat like the hero these kinds of people are, which should have given the U.S. Military Sharpshooters their chance. The bottom line is that we are all expendable to the left. Remember, the captive captain is not a military man. He is a U.S. civilian on a civilian ship on an aid delivery mission. The left has endlessly complained that we haven't used special ops instead of bombs in dealing with confrontations. Well, here was their chance to show us how it is done and the Obama posse can't be bothered... or won't get out of the way and let our military end this pirate stuff.

474 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:44am

re: #468 Dianna

I speak well, but I have a face made for radio. And my voice was made for print.

You can be the teleprompter!

475 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:54:49am

Minions with opinions opining about whining winning with the underpinning of undermining the undertow of the undertakers taking the king literally.

476 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:32am

re: #32 Erik The Red

Lets have a LGF Tea Party. Charles picks the speakers, I select the venue, reine is in charge of the food and red is the bar tender.

And who is the bouncer?

477 redstateredneck  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:44am

Have a fan-tabulous weekend, all y'all.
Happy Easter!
/out

478 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:48am

re: #454 Racer X

If you control the media, you control everything.

The left controls the media.

You racing this weekend? Just saw something onFB from another Lizard that mentioned Racer X. Don't know if you are the same person?

479 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:55:57am

re: #471 Iron Fist

But only when they are backed up by an ovewrwhelmingly Liberal MSM. As you rightly say, we could get half-a-million good people at a rally, and the HuffPo send in one ringer, and all the media will report is the ringer. Or the Moby, really. That is the essence of Mobys.

So that is the problem. Now what do we do about it?

I'm working on it. Give me a little time.

480 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:56:17am

I remember a conservative film maker, Brian Coyne Maloney I think, had some pretty good shots of lefty kooks. Where did he go?

481 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:56:49am

re: #480 kansas

I remember a conservative film maker, Brian Coyne Maloney I think, had some pretty good shots of lefty kooks. Where did he go?

Evan Coyne Maloney.

He's still around.

482 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:56:52am

re: #181 ladycatnip

#158 rightymouse

Thank you for the reminder - today is Good Friday. I'll sign off now so I don't continue to be sidetracked by the shiny thing called politics.

Blessings to you all,
ladycatnip

"But God demonstrates His own love towards us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Romans 5:8

483 wkeller  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:05am

Not to be picky, but where exactly did Beck certify this party? The times I have listened to him recently, he has gone out of his way not to have any of these things done in his name. Not even sure I would call this a tea party, more like a pissing contest. However, if someone wants to discredit tea parties, I suspect this is a nice way go go about it.

484 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:18am

re: #475 jdog29

Minions with opinions opining about whining winning with the underpinning of undermining the undertow of the undertakers taking the king literally.

Are you fond of Danny Kaye movies?

485 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:40am

re: #452 mich-again

How long till Glen Beck starts wearing his necktie on his forehead and dons camouflage face paint. Like Charlie Steiner at the end of this ESPN commercial.

I'd like to see South Park do a number on Glenn Beck. It's been a while since they really took the gloves off with a public figure.

486 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:57:53am

re: #463 Athos

I feel the same way - the expense is tough to justify. That's why I was thrilled when the iPhone app came out. Downloaded and read 3 books via this already. Far easier to just pull out the phone and read when waiting than to carry a book.

That's cool. I never considered the iPhone because when I was with AT&T, the reception in my neighborhood was abominable. Verizon provides better service in my area.

487 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:09am

re: #481 zombie

Evan Coyne Maloney.

He's still around.

Thanks. Well, obviously someone needs to get some film of these meetings and show that they make some sense. If they do. And not just let James Carville frame the argument. Seems I remember you cover events pretty well.

488 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:20am

re: #476 2SoonOld2LateSmart

And who is the bouncer?

Stinky Beaumont is the bouncer, with that big wrench of his.

489 FightingBack  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:21am

re: #482 Cygnus

What does one say in greeting to you? "Happy Good Friday"? it doesn't seem right...

490 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:40am

re: #483 wkeller
Here: [Link: theglennbeck912project.com...]

491 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:50am

re: #461 karmic_inquisitor

What we really need to do is come up with a completely new set of tactics.

Something that concentrates a mass of effort at a single point that is unavoidable as a story but can only have a single controlled message.
Like an electronic flash mob of some sort.

I agree. Concentration is a key point because it will take that to overcome the diffusion that the media will use to dilute the message. In addition, I'd like to see some discipline among Republican legislators in focusing their message. As much as I hate listening to the robotic talking points from democrats, they do speak with one voice and consequently their message sinks in. It is much more important for Republicans to do that because the media will do everything in their power to downplay, distort or ignore conservative points.

492 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:58:58am

re: #478 Erik The Red

You racing this weekend? Just saw something onFB from another Lizard that mentioned Racer X. Don't know if you are the same person?

I follow Nascar - I do not race.

493 Erik The Red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:01am

re: #476 2SoonOld2LateSmart

And who is the bouncer?

CV's welcome:)

494 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:36am

re: #475 jdog29

Minions with opinions opining about whining winning with the underpinning of undermining the undertow of the undertakers taking the king literally.

Leave the blotter alone.

495 shiplord kirel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:44am

OT

Very bad news:

Military: Iraqi truck bombing kills 5 US soldiers

A suicide bomber rammed his explosives-laden truck into a sandbagged wall Friday in northern Iraq, killing five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen in the single deadliest attack against U.S. forces in more than a year.

A sixth American soldier and 17 Iraqi policemen were wounded in the blast that took place near the national police headquarters in southwestern Mosul — Iraq's third-largest city and al-Qaida's last urban stronghold.

Suicide bombings — a hallmark of al-Qaida's attack style — continue to threaten the city, which U.S. troops must leave by June 30 under an agreement with the Iraqis. The approaching deadline has raised fears about what will happen after American soldiers depart.

Lt. Col. Michael Stuart, chief of U.S. operations in Tikrit, an Iraqi city north of Baghdad, said the target was the Iraqi national police complex in Mosul and not the U.S. patrol. He said the American patrol just happened to be on the same street when the attack occurred.

496 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 10:59:55am
497 zombie  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:12am

re: #487 kansas

Thanks. Well, obviously someone needs to get some film of these meetings and show that they make some sense. If they do. And not just let James Carville frame the argument. Seems I remember you cover events pretty well.

My free time is extremely limited, especially these days. Pick up a camera and go for it!

498 mich-again  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:18am

Neither party has a monopoly on kooks. There are plenty to go around. And there isn't all that much difference in the political agenda of the far left and the far right. They want the same things, just for different reasons.

499 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:19am

re: #494 MandyManners

Leave the blotter alone.

I kind of liked it. It reminded me of that old movie.

500 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:00:53am

re: #446 Cygnus

Then Amway is a cult.

Yes, it is.

501 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:02am

re: #496 Iron Fist

It's true, people do not tend to flee when I show up.

502 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:04am
503 MandyManners  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:07am

Gotta' go shopping for the Easter Bunny stuff. bbl

504 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:35am
505 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:01:55am

Street politics will never be the answer for conservatives.

Conservativism should be the alternative to the politics of the street.

506 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:17am

re: #403 Russkilitlover

Pirate comrades steaming toward the standoff with ships of hostages.

Methinks our inaction is about to get people killed.

Re Phillips' escape attempt:

Around midnight local time, Phillips jumped off the lifeboat and began swimming, according to Defense Department officials speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to talk about the sensitive, unfolding operations.

One of the pirates then fired an automatic weapon, the officials said, although it was not clear if the shots were fired at Phillips or into the air, and he returned to the lifeboat.

The USS Bainbridge, which is several hundred yards away, has rescue helicopters and lifeboats but is keeping its distance, in part to stay out of the pirates' range of fire.

This is more detail than I've seen before. It confirms my initial suspicion, that the Bainbridge is either (1) utterly ill-equipped to deal effectively with the situation, or (2) that the Bainbridge was asleep at the switch ... (... or... #3 ... both.)

/bitting my tongue until more info's available

507 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:45am

re: #485 Jimmah

I'd like to see South Park do a number on Glenn Beck. It's been a while since they really took the gloves off with a public figure.

I would give them high marks if they spoofed Obama, but I won't hold my breath.
The late night comics & SNL act like Bush is still the president.
Their fear of lampooning BHO is too obvious.

508 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:02:47am
509 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:11am

re: #505 Ringo the Gringo

Street politics will never be the answer for conservatives.

Conservativism should be the alternative to the politics of the street.

I was going to say something like Real Republicans don't demonstrate but they always vote earlier.

510 rawmuse  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #505 Ringo the Gringo

Street politics will never be the answer for conservatives.

Conservativism should be the alternative to the politics of the street.

We're busy making a living, instead of screaming and extorting for some one to provide for us.

511 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:20am

re: #476 2SoonOld2LateSmart

And who is the bouncer?

Iron Fist, of course.

512 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:21am

re: #482 Cygnus

TGIF

513 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:28am

This hostage situation off Somalia is really heating up apparently with the "Pirates" rushing more ships and hostages TOWARDS the US Navy? What gives? I gotta think the pirates don't think the USA will take aggressive action? Wonder why they think that?

514 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #484 Dianna

Are you fond of Danny Kaye movies?

I am if they're anything like "Point Break"

515 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:39am

re: #505 Ringo the Gringo

Street politics will never be the answer for conservatives.

Conservativism should be the alternative to the politics of the street.

Right!

However, I've got a Male with the bit between his teeth. I'm not going to argue. I'm just prepared to explain things to idiots, while having a pair of very large men with martial arts training standing behind me to keep me from having a very bad day.

516 yesandno  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:53am

re: #458 mich-again

I have a face made for radio.

Used to be me
but the "Burqua" set me free!

517 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:03:53am

re: #460 MandyManners

No mention. Even without that Ron Paul is insane. He's very smart but still very insane. He's quite open about his philosophy that America need to be destroyed in order to be rebuilt. His economic policy is designed to do just that. I found it sort of odd that the Tea Party crowd adopted Ron Paul's economics. I thought most were just conservatives being duped into supporting something they didn't understand. I'm now starting to suspect that many of them do understand what they are supporting.
The Last straw for me with Glenn Reynolds was his link to a financial doomsday article written by a Utopian nutcase written for Lew Rockwell's blog. I though Reynolds made a mistake by linking to it but it now seems that he probably knew what he was linking to and is sympathetic to the cause.

518 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:04:09am

re: #506 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This is more detail than I've seen before. It confirms my initial suspicion, that the Bainbridge is either (1) utterly ill-equipped to deal effectively with the situation, or (2) that the Bainbridge was asleep at the switch ... (... or... #3 ... both.)

/bitting my tongue until more info's available

Or, the Bainbridge is under orders not to act would be my guess...

519 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:04:56am

re: #506 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well I assume the USS Bainbridge is standing far off at the moment and was really not in position to take immediate action.

520 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:04:57am

re: #511 doppelganglander

Iron Fist, of course.

With some assists from harmless looking types like me.

521 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:17am
522 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:42am

re: #513 Nevergiveup

This hostage situation off Somalia is really heating up apparently with the "Pirates" rushing more ships and hostages TOWARDS the US Navy? What gives? I gotta think the pirates don't think the USA will take aggressive action? Wonder why they think that?

I'm getting a real bad vibe from this thing...the Somalis have our number and are turning the tables....too much time has passed

523 cronus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:05:57am

Conservatives don't typically need mass rallies like the left does to build awareness and momentum around issues.

Every Repub but three voted against the Stimpak and the "tea party" effort was a non-factor in that. What mattered was that tens of thousands of conservatives emailed, called, and met with their Congressperson and voiced their opinion. You don't get unanimity like that unless Members of Congress are convinced their base is behind them.

524 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:05am

re: #514 jdog29

I am if they're anything like "Point Break"

There's a perfectly hysterical sequence in one of Danny's movies that involves very complicated rhyme and alliteration. You could never do it these days.

525 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:25am

re: #506 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This is more detail than I've seen before. It confirms my initial suspicion, that the Bainbridge is either (1) utterly ill-equipped to deal effectively with the situation, or (2) that the Bainbridge was asleep at the switch ... (... or... #3 ... both.)

/bitting my tongue until more info's available

3rd, and my suspicion.

The Bainbridge is weapons tight on orders from higher up the chain.

You don't get a DDG by by being a dummy, my guess is the Commander would have had things spooled up for an opportunity, but has other instruction.

526 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:26am
527 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #520 Dianna

With some assists from harmless looking types like me.

Definitely. I've never shot except for skeet, but you sound like you can really handle yourself at the range. I am most impressed with that.

528 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:07:53am

re: #527 doppelganglander

Definitely. I've never shot except for skeet, but you sound like you can really handle yourself at the range. I am most impressed with that.

Oh, and the martial arts, too. I am just such a girl -- I can't do any of that stuff.

529 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:08:05am

re: #466 Boxy_brown

Ok, well, I contributed, volunteered and worked to get out the vote and we had circles run around us by the opposition. Literally, everywhere we went we had had a dozen people from Acorn, or the young democrats, or the obama youth or whatever ahead of us. We were out organized, out spent and above all out worked. So voting is great. Is that it?

No, there are the next elections. You could lose them too, of course - but that's democracy for you. Learn lessons from your defeats, move on to the next goal.

530 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:01am

I'm giving the Republicans til 2010 to sort this shit out, if the Buchanan / Rockwell / Paul types are leading then, I'll be registering Democrat for the first time in my life. No shit.

531 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:26am

re: #528 doppelganglander

Oh, and the martial arts, too. I am just such a girl -- I can't do any of that stuff.

It's not hard - honestly, if it were, I couldn't do it.

Find a place you're comfortable with, and (after the really miserable first weeks when you hurt like hell because you're using muscles you didn't know you had) before long, you benefit like mad.

It's good for you, body, mind and soul.

532 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:30am

re: #513 Nevergiveup

This hostage situation off Somalia is really heating up apparently with the "Pirates" rushing more ships and hostages TOWARDS the US Navy? What gives? I gotta think the pirates don't think the USA will take aggressive action? Wonder why they think that?

Fox just said there are 200 other hostages on seven other ships to consider. Sadly, the insurance companies may yet pay a ransom to free the captain and kick the ball down the road. Just in, a another ship was just released after ransom was paid today.

533 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:09:57am

There was just a report on the radio, that the French had some kind of dust up with the pirates losing one seaman & killing several pirates.

534 calcajun  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:21am

The perfect song for this thread and for this day (yeah-I'm gonna burn for it)

535 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:27am

re: #533 opnion

There was just a report on the radio, that the French had some kind of dust up with the pirates losing one seaman & killing several pirates.

But they rescued the rest of the hostages, including a child.

536 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:41am

re: #57 Ward Cleaver

Just the opposite of what should happen.

No kidding. Reading the transcript above fills me with a sense of despair. Folks like that woman calling for book burning need to get a grip on themselves, and try READING a few books before they call for burning them. Ghosts of some very dark periods in world history are lingering about the fringes of conservatism.

537 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:51am

CAL THOMAS: Pirate Standoff — The Tyrants Are Watching Obama
Perhaps the major reason it has been 200 years since pirates dared challenge the United States of America on the high seas was the decisive action taken by Thomas Jefferson (the first Democrat) against them. Jefferson dispatched the schooner USS Enterprise in 1801 to the same Barbary Coast where today’s Somali (and as back then) Islamic pirates demanded financial tribute from the United States. The U.S. Navy soundly defeated the pirates.

The world’s tyrants are watching to see how President Obama reacts. The message they get will determine how they respond to America and whether we will be in greater peril.

Two years later the pirates were back for more. This time, they captured the USS Philadelphia along with its captain, William Bainbridge, the officers and crew and held them hostage. On the night of Feb. 16, 1804, Lt. Stephen Decatur, Jr. led a small band of the first American Marines. The Marines commandeered a Tripolitan ketch, which they re-christened USS Intrepid, to deceive the guards on board the Philadelphia and get close enough to the ship to storm the vessel. With support from American ships, the Marines set fire to the Philadelphia, preventing her use by the pirates and went on to capture the city of Tripoli. This is where the line came from in the Marine H ymn about “the shores of Tripoli”.

So far, the reaction by modern Democrats has been less than inspiring. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry has threatened to hold hearings! That should strike fear into the hearts of the pirates. What will the Obama administration do if the pirates are captured alive? He won’t sent them to Gitmo, which he is closing down. Will they get ACLU lawyers? Will there be testimony from a “pirates rights” group? Will they be released on a technicality after a trial in U.S. courts? If there is not as forceful a response as there was during the Jefferson administration, it will invite more of these incidents. The world’s tyrants are watching to see how President Obama reacts. The message they get will determine how they respond to America and whether we will be in greater peril.

538 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:10:54am

re: #519 Nevergiveup

Well I assume the USS Bainbridge is standing far off at the moment and was really not in position to take immediate action.

"several hundred yards" would still be well within the range of its .50 cal. and the 25mm amidships. If Phillips was off the boat and swimming, and a pirate was firing (either at him or in the air), start putting short bursts from the 25mm into the sea beyond the lifeboat. That'd sure as hell distract the pirates for a few moments.

/and yes, sniper fire at sea would be problematic, AND we don't know if there even are SEALS on board the Bainbridge.

539 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:11:04am
540 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:11:15am

From Stormfront....

Ladies and gentlemen, I think every WN (White Nationalist - ed) needs to not only attend the April 15th Tea Party nearest you (I'm going to the Alamo in San Antonio) but then stay involved and help provide leadership to this movement.

I believe that this is the white revolution we've been waiting for.

It doesn't look what we expected but this is it.

I've seen probably 50 videos on TV showing previous marches and what strikes me is that the participants are all WHITE. It stands to reason . . . we're the ones being taxed to support Affirmative Action, Welfare and other worthless social programs. It's our tax dollars going to ACORN and supporting the 12 million illegals swarming into our neighborhoods.

For the first time, white people (a.k.a. the lemmings) are finally awake and taking to the streets.

Right now the movement is about taxes . . . but with leadership and guidance we can help turn this movement into a lot more.

So turn off the computer. Take off the red laces and fold your jeans over your Doc Martins. Hang the storm trooper uniform in the closet. Take off the robe. Reverently fold your Confederate flag and put it away for now.

Become one of them. Join the marches and help organize future events in your neighborhood. Go slow . . . don't hit people with WN philosophy all at once.

Become a leader and a teacher. Show them the relationship between what they want and what we want. You can help convince the people you meet that even though they themselves don't see it yet, a return to white values and a white nation is the answer to what troubles them.

Remember . . . we don't need to convince 100% of the people. We just need to wake up a good number of them and momentum will do the rest.

541 rightside  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:11:41am

Oh SNAP!

You know it's bad when the fwench attack other somali pirates before we attack ours.

Yes, I know the source I linked, but still.

542 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:02am

re: #538 pre-Boomer Marine brat

"several hundred yards" would still be well within the range of its .50 cal. and the 25mm amidships. If Phillips was off the boat and swimming, and a pirate was firing (either at him or in the air), start putting short bursts from the 25mm into the sea beyond the lifeboat. That'd sure as hell distract the pirates for a few moments.

/and yes, sniper fire at sea would be problematic, AND we don't know if there even are SEALS on board the Bainbridge.

They've had enough time to get a team on board.

543 jdog29  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:06am

re: #522 albusteve

Looks like the whole thing is a set up to try and make his highness look like he's wearing clothes after all.

...or it's gonna go bad real fast.

I think that's one thing the left has going for it. Even in the worst of circumstances, conservatives hope for victory without caring who looks good.

Consider the economy; left wing loons aren't complaining as hard because they don't want they're guy to look bad, while conservatives continue to try and produce effectively and efficiently just because that is who we are. When the left is in power the right is not going to even try to sabotage the economy even if it means it will make their opponents look good.

On the other hand the left did such a great job cratering the economy with dishonest scales in the mortgage and banking business, even with unlimited power they are having a hard time pulling this thing out of the nosedive they initiated in the first place and are determined to pin on the previous administration.

544 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:07am

re: #541 rightside

Oh SNAP!

You know it's bad when the fwench attack other somali pirates before we attack ours.

Yes, I know the source I linked, but still.

Fox is reporting it also

545 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:15am

re: #507 opnion

I would give them high marks if they spoofed Obama, but I won't hold my breath.
The late night comics & SNL act like Bush is still the president.
Their fear of lampooning BHO is too obvious.

Going after the president has never been South Parks thing, whether it's Bush or Obama. Remember they got attacked over "That's my Bush" for presenting him as a likeable character?

546 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:25am

re: #525 jcm

3rd, and my suspicion.

The Bainbridge is weapons tight on orders from higher up the chain.

You don't get a DDG by by being a dummy, my guess is the Commander would have had things spooled up for an opportunity, but has other instruction.

Probably true.
See my #538.
It'd be a simple plan.

547 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:12:29am

re: #537 Nevergiveup

Heh, I said basically the same thing yesterday.

548 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:01am

re: #537 Nevergiveup

Pirates are to be dealt with as are wolves.

The old rule was, "killed where found," and "the lawful prey of all sovereign nations."

It worked.

549 The Shadow Do  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:02am

So, we have a pirate fleet underway to "reinforce" and that fleet is loaded up with hostages? What then?

How tough would it be to disable such fleet (take out their rudders and or propulsion)? I enjoy the picture of these assholes bobbing around, scratching their asses ...

Oh, and Glen Beck as the new face of conservatism? hoo boy

550 rightside  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:39am

re: #540 Killgore Trout

Jeeezus!

F*ck them, I don't want any of those turds at the tea party I am attending.

551 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:13:43am

re: #540 Killgore Trout

From Stormfront....

I can only hope that web site is not very popular.

552 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:07am

re: #535 Dianna

But they rescued the rest of the hostages, including a child.

Good news. That part was left out of the radio report.

553 kansas  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:22am

re: #537 Nevergiveup

CAL THOMAS: Pirate Standoff — The Tyrants Are Watching Obama
Perhaps the major reason it has been 200 years since pirates dared challenge the United States of America on the high seas was the decisive action taken by Thomas Jefferson (the first Democrat) against them. Jefferson dispatched the schooner USS Enterprise in 1801 to the same Barbary Coast where today’s Somali (and as back then) Islamic pirates demanded financial tribute from the United States. The U.S. Navy soundly defeated the pirates.

The world’s tyrants are watching to see how President Obama reacts. The message they get will determine how they respond to America and whether we will be in greater peril.

Two years later the pirates were back for more. This time, they captured the USS Philadelphia along with its captain, William Bainbridge, the officers and crew and held them hostage. On the night of Feb. 16, 1804, Lt. Stephen Decatur, Jr. led a small band of the first American Marines. The Marines commandeered a Tripolitan ketch, which they re-christened USS Intrepid, to deceive the guards on board the Philadelphia and get close enough to the ship to storm the vessel. With support from American ships, the Marines set fire to the Philadelphia, preventing her use by the pirates and went on to capture the city of Tripoli. This is where the line came from in the Marine H ymn about “the shores of Tripoli”.

So far, the reaction by modern Democrats has been less than inspiring. Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman John Kerry has threatened to hold hearings! That should strike fear into the hearts of the pirates. What will the Obama administration do if the pirates are captured alive? He won’t sent them to Gitmo, which he is closing down. Will they get ACLU lawyers? Will there be testimony from a “pirates rights” group? Will they be released on a technicality after a trial in U.S. courts? If there is not as forceful a response as there was during the Jefferson administration, it will invite more of these incidents. The world’s tyrants are watching to see how President Obama reacts. The message they get will determine how they respond to America and whether we will be in greater peril.

Cmon guys, we are talking about housing.

554 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:33am

re: #540 Killgore Trout

How do you stand it? I couldn't read that without growling.

555 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:34am

re: #542 jcm

They've had enough time to get a team on board.

Yes, they have.

556 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:41am

Another Stormfront thread.....

These folks who are organizing Tea Parties in protest of the massive government spending that Obama has proposed...could their anger over excessive taxation be redirected at something a bit more important? Perhaps, their existence as a race?

I was driving to grab some lunch today and a fellow in the turning lane next to me pulled back and complimented me on the Ron Paul sign in my window.

(Yes, I have a Ron Paul sign in my window even though I am a Monarchist/fascist (fascist with a small f). I supported Ron Paul for his views on abortion, immigration, and government spending. One cannot build a serious monarchy with the current government - states' rights would eventually provide more fertile ground for a monarchy. But I'm no screwball and I'll take what I can get in my lifetime .)

Anyway, the folks that stop at red lights to compliment you on your Ron Paul sign are the most devoted.

These Tea Party people are devoted. Does anyone think that their devotion could be just as passionate about opposition to miscegenation as cutting taxes?

In my view, this is a gradual discussion and one that must be performed patiently. Start out with immigration and the Tea Party folks will agree with you, more than likely. Then move on to other issues like affirmative action and inner city crime.

Inner city crime and affirmative action are natural springboards. They turn on the lightbulb in a lot of white folks' heads. Then discuss why blacks commit more crime. Mention low black scores on IQ tests. It's easily verifiable. Is IQ largely inherited? Yes.

Then leave it at that. You planted the seed, and they might try to verify what you said. And it will be true.

557 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:48am
558 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:14:59am

re: #540 Killgore Trout

Yuck.

559 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:06am

re: #506 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This is more detail than I've seen before. It confirms my initial suspicion, that the Bainbridge is either (1) utterly ill-equipped to deal effectively with the situation, or (2) that the Bainbridge was asleep at the switch ... (... or... #3 ... both.)

/bitting my tongue until more info's available

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Bainbridge crew didn't know he was in the water until the Somalis had him back under control.

Moreover, even Michael Phelps couldn't outswim the concussion wave from a grenade tossed into the water. Even at a distance it does fatal things to your internal organs.

560 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:08am

re: #548 Dianna

Pirates are to be dealt with as are wolves.

The old rule was, "killed where found," and "the lawful prey of all sovereign nations."

It worked.

It's illegal to shoot a Mexican Gray Wolf, unless it is attacking a human. Your pet dog? Let it go......

561 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:41am

re: #554 Dianna

I live in a moonbat city. I'm pretty numb to insanity.

562 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:56am

re: #547 jcm

Heh, I said basically the same thing yesterday.

Well being on the page as Cal Thomas or jcm is something to be proud of.

563 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:15:58am

re: #531 Dianna

It's not hard - honestly, if it were, I couldn't do it.

Find a place you're comfortable with, and (after the really miserable first weeks when you hurt like hell because you're using muscles you didn't know you had) before long, you benefit like mad.

It's good for you, body, mind and soul.

I really should. I walk and hike all the time, but I need something that will tone my body (especially those all-important upper arms).

564 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:22am

re: #549 The Shadow Do

So, we have a pirate fleet underway to "reinforce" and that fleet is loaded up with hostages? What then?

How tough would it be to disable such fleet (take out their rudders and or propulsion)? I enjoy the picture of these assholes bobbing around, scratching their asses ...

Oh, and Glen Beck as the new face of conservatism? hoo boy

Sink them.

565 Dustyvet  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:23am

re: #546 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably true.
See my #538.
It'd be a simple plan.

but, but, is it a cunning plan?

/S

566 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:29am

re: #546 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Probably true.
See my #538.
It'd be a simple plan.

GMTA, said the same thing early today. Bainbridge is spun up, guns manned and ready for an opportunity. Zodiac in the water opposite side from the pirates.

Phillips goes in the water, Bainbridge opens up with .50s, M-60s and M-4s or -16 if in range to keep the pirates occupied. Zodiac zips out and makes the pick up. When the Zodiac is clear 5" time.

That this didn't happen, tells me the Bainbridge is not spun up. Why?

I don't the decision was made on the scene.

That's my read and my opinion.

567 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:48am

re: #545 Jimmah

Going after the president has never been South Parks thing, whether it's Bush or Obama. Remember they got attacked over "That's my Bush" for presenting him as a likeable character?

I loved the election night/Ocean's 11 episode.

568 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:53am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

This is turning out to be Ron Paul Revolution part deux.

569 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:16:55am

re: #509 Thanos

I was going to say something like Real Republicans don't demonstrate but they always vote earlier.

Yeah, but they only vote once.

570 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:02am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

From your post:

In my view, this is a gradual discussion and one that must be performed patiently. Start out with immigration and the Tea Party folks will agree with you, more than likely. Then move on to other issues like affirmative action and inner city crime.

They all sound alike....

Thanks for digging.

571 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:13am

re: #563 doppelganglander

I really should. I walk and hike all the time, but I need something that will tone my body (especially those all-important upper arms).

It's not just toning your body. It increases your general capability, and that's pretty much the most important thing you can do for yourself.

572 jaunte  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:20am

re: #556 Killgore Trout


I am a Monarchist/fascist...
But I'm no screwball.


Outstanding; that one's a collectors item.

573 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:45am

re: #557 Iron Fist

The real skill in being a bouncer is to not let it get to that point. If someone has already jerked a blade and started cutting, you are coming way late to the party.

I have a hilarious story about that. if you've not already heard it, come to the get-together next time I visit Sodom and Gomorrah and ask me about it :-)

I'd love to hear it. Where is Sodom and Gomorrah?

574 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:17:53am

re: #560 wrenchwench

I'm using the old phrasing, not the modern world's view of animals.

576 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:18:00am

When the garden is overrun with weeds do you stay out of the garden or do you chop out the weeds? Take a hoe to a tea party near you.

577 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:18:24am
578 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:18:38am

Look they could have a seal team come right up under that boat they are all in and it would be over in seconds. I think they could save the Captain, but the unexpected always happens and you have to be prepared to accept that lose if it occurs.

579 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:18:42am

re: #489 FightingBack

What does one say in greeting to you? "Happy Good Friday"? it doesn't seem right...

Just stick with Happy Easter. Good Friday is more of a day for reflection and remembrance of what Jesus did for us. And BTW, Happy Easter!

580 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:02am

re: #567 doppelganglander

I loved the election night/Ocean's 11 episode.

That was a really clever episode - made no political point about Obama or McCain/Palin, just played it for laughs. Although they did make some astute observations about the over-the top responses of both the winners and losers among the supporters though.

581 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:13am

I was a ground pounder, so I am out of my depth so to speak, but why not plastic charges on the ship hulls placed By divers?
Disable these ships. These pirates are not soldiers for Allah, they do not wish to die.
They should also know that their buddies in Somalia willl pay a terrible price if they start executing hostages.

582 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:38am

re: #530 Thanos

I'm giving the Republicans til 2010 to sort this shit out, if the Buchanan / Rockwell / Paul types are leading then, I'll be registering Democrat for the first time in my life. No shit.

Ridiculous.

There is no need to support EITHER political PARTY. Vote they way you like but if they are both idiots why support one of them financially? Why align yourself with one or the other?

583 Russkilitlover  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:50am

re: #532 avanti

Fox just said there are 200 other hostages on seven other ships to consider. Sadly, the insurance companies may yet pay a ransom to free the captain and kick the ball down the road. Just in, a another ship was just released after ransom was paid today.

Which is why, as I stated earlier, that our inaction will get people killed. I sure as shit hope we don't find out that our "talking" with the pirates was a directive from President Pantywaist.

584 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:52am

re: #568 Jimmah

This is turning out to be Ron Paul Revolution part deux.

Yup, I think it was pretty much from the beginning. We were just a little slow figuring it out.

585 SFGoth  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:19:58am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

I live in a moonbat city. I'm pretty numb to insanity.

You ain't the only one in MBC.

586 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:03am

re: #503 MandyManners

Gotta' go shopping for the Easter Bunny stuff. bbl

Solid chocolate bunnies. Mmmmmm!

587 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:19am

re: #572 jaunte

Ha!

588 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:22am

What a bunch of loons. I shall not be going to our local tea party.

589 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:33am
590 Pietr  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:20:40am

OT-is Razorbacker still here? Can't even try to catch up-I'm 2 threads back. But I'm still trying to untangle the pizza crap-I work from basics, one step at a time. So RB, give me a read and reply (and I'll accept all other pertinent input, from anyone), unless it's been resolved as I try to catch up-see my:

re: #1231 Pietr

591 rightside  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:08am

The US should put 100 or so of a combination of specially trained forces, i.e. seals, rangers, etc., on a container ship and park it directly off somalia, beyond the line of demarcation.

As they come out and try to board, take them out. Perfect live fire exercises, tactics and maneuvers. A perfect training opportunity to hone their skills, be graded on their success, and implement lessons learned.

That would make them think about sending another boat out.

592 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:14am

re: #559 Son of the Black Dog

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the Bainbridge crew didn't know he was in the water until the Somalis had him back under control.

Moreover, even Michael Phelps couldn't outswim the concussion wave from a grenade tossed into the water. Even at a distance it does fatal things to your internal organs.

If the Bainbridge didn't know he was in the water, then either (1) they don't have any night-vision binoculars on board, or (2) I wanna know WTF were they doing!

You point about the grenade is well taken.

My point is that Bainbridge should have had contingency plans, ready to go at an instant.

JCM's point (above) is that Bainbridge's skipper has had a choke-chain put around his neck.

593 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:39am

re: #565 Dustyvet

but, but, is it a cunning plan?

/S

Baldrick Barack, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it danced naked on a harpsichord singing "Cunning plans are here again."
/channeling Blackadder

594 Kragar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:21:51am

Dutch TV show exonerates Osama bin Laden

The show features star defense attorney Gerard Spong standing up for some of the world's worst criminals.

In the latest show, Spong was able to convince the jury that bin Laden's connection to Sept. 11 was a product of "Western propaganda." The jury also ruled there was insufficient evidence to prove bin Laden was the real head of terrorist network al-Qaida. However, the jury did rule that bin Laden is a "terrorist who has misused Islam."

595 rightside  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:11am

re: #592 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Those ships are equipped with night vision optics.

596 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #586 Cygnus

Solid chocolate bunnies. Mmmmmm!

I has an ex-gf addicted to "peeps" of all things. never understood that.

597 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:15am

re: #561 Killgore Trout

I live in a moonbat city. I'm pretty numb to insanity.

Clearly.

598 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:21am

re: #589 Iron Fist

Much higher.

We're not human to him, I think. I find that worrisome.

599 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:31am

re: #593 Kosh's Shadow

Baldrick Barack, you wouldn't know a cunning plan if it danced naked on a harpsichord singing "Cunning plans are here again."
/channeling Blackadder

All Blackadder references get auto-updings from me.

600 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:33am

The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want

601 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:22:43am

A random thought popped into my head and I decided to come on LGF and share it...

All those crazy e-mails and things like at this Glenn Beck Tea Party have really brought to life the meaning of that Marcus Aurelius quote:

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."

It's just so relevant, evenespecially in today's age.

602 jcm  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:23:27am

re: #578 Nevergiveup

Look they could have a seal team come right up under that boat they are all in and it would be over in seconds. I think they could save the Captain, but the unexpected always happens and you have to be prepared to accept that lose if it occurs.

In this situation saving the Captain is important, but there is a bigger issue at hand.

The World is watching, the Cal Thomas piece you linked.

A ineffective and weak response will insure more piracy, more hostages. It also means Thugs around the world are going to be more aggressive in the face of the weakness.

Many, many more lives hang in the balance than that of the Captain.

603 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:23:57am
604 wkeller  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:23:58am

Rely for 490 wrenchwench

I am aware of the site - my point was that to imply that Beck agrees with this ranter is silly. It would be like saying the same thing for Malkin or Google since they have maps up of locations and times. I suspect this exact tactic will be used by those opposed to conservatives to show that "all" those who attend are wackos. I plan to go to one in my area. For me it is a way to show the left they are getting way out of line. Spending is out of control at all levels of government - city, state and federal. I have had my own company for 25 years - a typical "Joe the Plumber". And the crew in Washington seem to see me as nothing more than their own private piggie bank. Piss on them. I have had it. If I can't spend like a drunken sailor because I can't print an extra Trillion, why the hell should I sit back quietly while our government does. The tea party is simply a preliminary symptom. Folks in our country are a lot more conservative in their life style than the left is willing to admit. And, they are tremendously tolerant. But, with Trillions being thrown around like pocket change, a limit is fast approaching. The left's only recourse will be to poo-poo those who object to out of control spending. And, a video like this certainly provides some good fodder.

605 Yashmak  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:09am

re: #556 Killgore Trout

Another Stormfront thread.....

I am always amazed and mystified when I read a bit like that, written by someone who is obviously intelligent enough to express themselves cogently, but who somehow simultaneously lack the ability to recognize the lunacy of their views. It seems such a destructive waste.

606 Sifty  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:17am

Screw the tea party.

I'm having a kegger.

I can get 30 friends and neighbors together to bitch and moan without the tinfoil hats and paper puppets coming out. I wonder why these people can't.

607 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:25am

re: #589 Iron Fist

Obama doesn't have the balls for that. One of the things that makes me slightly hopeful on the gun control front. obama doesn't have the balls to kill America's foreign enemies. What are the chances that he will declare us to be "Domestic Enemies" and kill us?

Obama is so tone-deaf, he doesn't really understand how unpopular a gun grab would be. He has a knack for going full tilt at the trivial and attempting an extreme makeover on things that work just fine, while ignoring true threats.

608 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:24:57am

re: #566 jcm

GMTA, said the same thing early today. Bainbridge is spun up, guns manned and ready for an opportunity. Zodiac in the water opposite side from the pirates.

Phillips goes in the water, Bainbridge opens up with .50s, M-60s and M-4s or -16 if in range to keep the pirates occupied. Zodiac zips out and makes the pick up. When the Zodiac is clear 5" time.

That this didn't happen, tells me the Bainbridge is not spun up. Why?

I don't the decision was made on the scene.

That's my read and my opinion.

they should guns on that boat every second waiting for just the opportunity that slipped passed them...something is wrong here

609 Dianna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:13am

re: #606 Sifty

Screw the tea party.

I'm having a kegger.

I can get 30 friends and neighbors together to bitch and moan without the tinfoil hats and paper puppets coming out. I wonder why these people can't.

Thirty's something like the upper limit for a sane gathering.

610 nikis-knight  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:13am

re: #591 rightside

The US should put 100 or so of a combination of specially trained forces, i.e. seals, rangers, etc., on a container ship and park it directly off somalia, beyond the line of demarcation.

As they come out and try to board, take them out. Perfect live fire exercises, tactics and maneuvers. A perfect training opportunity to hone their skills, be graded on their success, and implement lessons learned.

That would make them think about sending another boat out.

I think the problem with that is that there are still hundreds or thousands of ships taking that route for every vessel attacked.
I don't see why we can't put a carrier or two nearby and send some fighters to sink the pirates when we get a distress call for while, though.
At the least, you should never negotiate. Or if you do, you should sink the barbarians anyway. Enemies of man need be afforded no honor.

611 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:20am

ASU Denies Obama an Honorary Degree, Stating His "Body of Work" Is Yet To Come; Liberals Barnicle, Mitchell Go Crazy
—Ace

Everyone's goofing on ASU here, including Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

I guess I'm partisan, but I kinda get ASU's point.

Lots of elitist digs at ASU, too.

[Link: ace.mu.nu...]

Pretty funny

612 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:35am

re: #606 Sifty

Screw the tea party.

I'm having a kegger.

I can get 30 friends and neighbors together to bitch and moan without the tinfoil hats and paper puppets coming out. I wonder why these people can't.

Hurrah! Can I come? I can be the DJ..

613 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:37am

re: #566 jcm

GMTA, said the same thing early today. Bainbridge is spun up, guns manned and ready for an opportunity. Zodiac in the water opposite side from the pirates.

Phillips goes in the water, Bainbridge opens up with .50s, M-60s and M-4s or -16 if in range to keep the pirates occupied. Zodiac zips out and makes the pick up. When the Zodiac is clear 5" time.

That this didn't happen, tells me the Bainbridge is not spun up. Why?

I don't the decision was made on the scene.

That's my read and my opinion.

I suspect you're right -- more likely than incompetence on the bridge.

BTW, she's got a lo-tech, crew-served, 25mm on the 2nd or 3rd deck below the forward funnel. Nice psych-warfare pyrotechnics at night, firing OVER the lifeboat.

614 Cygnus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:25:53am

re: #596 Creeping Eruption

I has an ex-gf addicted to "peeps" of all things. never understood that.

The only things that would survive a nuclear holocaust are cockroaches, Twinkies, Cheez Whiz, and Peeps.

615 Nevergiveup  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:20am

re: #602 jcm

In this situation saving the Captain is important, but there is a bigger issue at hand.

The World is watching, the Cal Thomas piece you linked.

A ineffective and weak response will insure more piracy, more hostages. It also means Thugs around the world are going to be more aggressive in the face of the weakness.

Many, many more lives hang in the balance than that of the Captain.

I agree 110%.

616 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:34am

re: #600 Jimmah

The Rolling Stones - You Can't Always Get What You Want


[Video]

Jimmah!...get some

617 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:44am

re: #595 rightside

Those ships are equipped with night vision optics.

Thanks. I figured so, but didn't know for a fact.

618 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:26:47am

re: #614 Cygnus

The only things that would survive a nuclear holocaust are cockroaches, Twinkies, Cheez Whiz, and Peeps.

I'd eat the twinkeis, chiz whiz . . .and roaches (in a pinch). Peeps? Never.

619 KenJen  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:27:01am

re: #606 Sifty

Screw the tea party.

I'm having a kegger.

I can get 30 friends and neighbors together to bitch and moan without the tinfoil hats and paper puppets coming out. I wonder why these people can't.

Toga! Toga! Toga!

620 doppelganglander  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:27:18am

re: #603 Iron Fist

You've never heard that applied to San Francisco? The first time I came to town the indymediots just about pissed their pants that I was going to be on the same coast as them. It was funny as hell.

Oh, okay. SF was the first place that came to mind, but I wasn't sure. I only get out there about once every 20 years or so. It also used to be nicknamed Baghdad by the Bay. I think they meant it in an Arabian Nights sort of way, not an IED sort of way.

621 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:27:32am

We HAD our Tea Party. On November 4th, 2008.

We were overruled.

Deal with it.

The time for whining and bitching is long gone. Now is the time to WIN people over to the side of reason. Less government. Less spending.

The right keeps trying to win using the same tactics the left used. It will not work.

622 vxbush  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:27:47am

re: #614 Cygnus

The only things that would survive a nuclear holocaust are cockroaches, Twinkies, Cheez Whiz, and Peeps.

I think Cheetos would survive. They're already a radioactive orange color.

623 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:01am

Workers fighting for their livelihoods: entertainment on Fox

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Don't hold yer breath for Beck protesting about this disgusting shite.

624 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:15am

re: #424 rawmuse

Hey I pretty well inoculated. Living in San Francisco for more than 30 years, I am surrounded multiple types of Crazy. Yesterday however, I was downtown and noticing that the panhandlers are starting to outnumber the civilians. It is starting to look like a Village of the Damned.

I thought "the homeless" only existed during Republican administrations.
/sarc


Seriously I lived in Palo Alto during Bush I, Clintoon and Bush II and the same group of homeless hung out on University Avenue through all three admins, except those that O.D.'d or dead of alchohol related deaths.

625 albusteve  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:32am

the pirates will never give up all their hostages...they will always keep them around for leverage...this is getting bad

626 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:33am

re: #621 Racer X

We HAD our Tea Party. On November 4th, 2008.

We were overruled.

Deal with it.

The time for whining and bitching is long gone. Now is the time to WIN people over to the side of reason. Less government. Less spending.

The right keeps trying to win using the same tactics the left used. It will not work.

Comment of the day.

627 Sifty  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:42am

re: #609 Dianna

All are welcome on Sifty's Sanity Short Bus!

When in the Burbank area, please support your local gun store and liquor warehouse.

628 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:28:45am

re: #513 Nevergiveup

The Somalis are bringing in other foreign hostages to raise the risk of collateral damage.

629 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:29:16am
630 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:10am

re: #604 wkeller

I am aware of the site - my point was that to imply that Beck agrees with this ranter is silly.

Then it is up to Beck to disassociate himself from the kooks. And you too, if the kooks show up at your local event.

631 opnion  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:35am

re: #545 Jimmah

Going after the president has never been South Parks thing, whether it's Bush or Obama. Remember they got attacked over "That's my Bush" for presenting him as a likeable character?

Itris probably a good policy to avoid the President, I guess.

632 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:30:56am

re: #606 Sifty

Screw the tea party.

I'm having a kegger.

I can get 30 friends and neighbors together to bitch and moan without the tinfoil hats and paper puppets coming out. I wonder why these people can't.

Fun idea, but in the end you'll have a hangover and the loons will still be around. Better to take the keg to the tea party, have fun and try to change a few loon minds. That doesn't make you a loon.

633 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:31:00am

re: #401 Iron Fist

Yeah, I would have to agree. I think for the most part, the vast majority of the electorate vote from the slickest sound bite, or as Walter had opined some time ago, the issues both parties decide to put out there as fodder, and avoid having the public really discern the pro and con of well debated policy, and future ramifications of such action.

Zombie makes excellent points, especially given how history dictates the convention in 1968, and our recollection of it shaped by the media.

I was hopeful for this concept, because I am totally against socialism, and bureaucratic largesse. While not planning my own attendance, the thought that somehow, we might be able to strike a chord with the public about responsible representation, and really getting back to square one as intended was a refreshing idea.

Sadly, like everything else, they attach a name to draw an image, only to find out Jesus will be the next cover art of Boston's new album.

634 Creeping Eruption  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:31:33am

re: #612 HoosierHoops

Hurrah! Can I come? I can be the DJ..

LOL. Just as you posted that, this popped up on my itunes:

WARNING: NSFW

635 Racer X  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:31:35am

re: #626 karmic_inquisitor

Comment of the day.

Thank you.

When I see Lizards posting they will join the Democrat Party I want to stab myself in the eye with an ice pick.

How quickly we forget.

636 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:31:50am

re: #602 jcm

In this situation saving the Captain is important, but there is a bigger issue at hand.

The World is watching, the Cal Thomas piece you linked.

A ineffective and weak response will insure more piracy, more hostages. It also means Thugs around the world are going to be more aggressive in the face of the weakness.

Many, many more lives hang in the balance than that of the Captain.

What the left has never understood is that actions, or the lack of them sends strong messages to the world. There is a direct linear relationship between Clinton's inactions and the messages that inaction sent during the 90's and 9-11.
- Mogadishu. we get bloodied and he pulls out. Message sent and received.
- First World Trade Center. Courtroom action only. Message sent and received.
- Khobar Towers. Nothing but a few words in response. Message sent and received.
- Two American Embassies bombed. Words again. Message sent and received.
- USS Cole bombed. No action in response. Message sent and received.


- 9-11. Answer to our messages sent back loud and clear.

Words are meaningless. Actions count. Are you listening President Obama?

637 Sifty  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:33:08am

re: #632 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'm going down to the Santa Monica one. Got some nice signs that I don't want to waste. And I want the little boy to see a real mob.

638 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:33:50am

Something tells me that Obama's Presidency is going to turn out so awful that "tea parties" and street protests will ultimately not be necessary for conservatives to regain power.

In fact, street protests and "tea parties" will more likely serve as a hindrance to obtaining that goal.

639 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:27am

Hostage update from Fox on captain escape try.

He goes in the water without coordination with the Navy, the first thing they hear is gunfire driving him back, no chance to respond.

640 brookly red  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:33am

Just curious, but in a ramming situation how long would it take for a ship like the Bainbridge to travel one mile? just hypothetically... how fast are they?

641 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:35:40am
642 LGoPs  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:37:05am

re: #641 Iron Fist

I almost always agree with you so don't take this as a ding. You missed the event that made the most difference in how the Mohammedan world viewed the US: the 444 Days of Shame that Carter gifted us with. This is especially important as Obama seems to be taking the Carter Administration as the jumping-off point for his Administration.

Poor Clinton. Not even the Democrats want to be associated with him anymore.

You're exactly right. I missed the elephant standing in the room.....
Thanks for pointing it out.
:)

643 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:08am

re: #631 opnion

Itris probably a good policy to avoid the President, I guess.

It's too easy and obvious - I think that's the main reason they avoid it. They aren't afeared that's for sure.

644 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:38:35am

re: #529 Jimmah

No, there are the next elections. You could lose them too, of course - but that's democracy for you. Learn lessons from your defeats, move on to the next goal.

OK, one of the lessons of the defeat is that people on the "right" were apathetic and not involved. People on the "left" were energized and throwing money at the candidate, going door to door, pounding the pavement. I am not asking for the kind of unthinking mass hysteria that Obama got swept in on but how do we get people on the "right" to get involved. How do we exclude the kooks from that?

I realize that this has a lot to do with the candidates involved but the point is that the left has a gargantuan apparatus in this country geared to getting their own way. From the schools to the media to moveon.org, etc... Countering that used to be antiquated notions like "patriotism" or "responsibility" or "right"... Seeing as those have been delegitimized by the same "Leftist get your own way" apparatus something needs to be done to counter this whole thing. (As well as re-legitimizing and reaffirming some basic principals fundamental to the American experience and human dignity)

So, how do we build an organization from the ground up that can begin to counter what the left has assembled over the past 40 years while we were at work? What's the alternative?

Or do we just do nothing?

645 shiek al beif salami  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:39:26am

re: #612 HoosierHoops

How about an intergalactic kegger? Haven't had one of those in a while.

646 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:47am

re: #631 opnion

I remember them saying in an interview about "That's My Bush" that they decided the really subversive thing to do was to try to get people to like him. ;-)

647 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:40:59am

re: #645 shiek al beif salami

How about an intergalactic kegger? Haven't had one of those in a while.

With jello shots!

648 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #541 rightside

You know, it is. Our Navy, and the French strike first?

My eye is twitching.

649 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:44:21am

re: #644 Boxy_brown


I am not asking for the kind of unthinking mass hysteria that Obama got swept in on but how do we get people on the "right" to get involved. How do we exclude the kooks from that?

Lesson1: Don't allow yourself to be led by a kook. Learn to spot the Glenn Becks of this world and shun them right from the git-go.

650 Lee Coller  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:45:41am

If everyone who was attending a "Tea Party" instead called their Representative and Senators (regardless of party) and complained, they would have a much greater effect than any protest.

I've called my representative, Jane Harmon, who despite being a dem can at times be reasonable. I'm trying to build up the nerve to call Boxer and Feinstein.

651 Ayeless in Ghazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:10am

I'm booked in for some friday night baby sitting - see y'all later. :)

652 MarineMomSue  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:46:57am

re: #636 LGoPs

What the left has never understood is that actions, or the lack of them sends strong messages to the world. There is a direct linear relationship between Clinton's inactions and the messages that inaction sent during the 90's and 9-11.
- Mogadishu. we get bloodied and he pulls out. Message sent and received.
- First World Trade Center. Courtroom action only. Message sent and received.
- Khobar Towers. Nothing but a few words in response. Message sent and received.
- Two American Embassies bombed. Words again. Message sent and received.
- USS Cole bombed. No action in response. Message sent and received.


- 9-11. Answer to our messages sent back loud and clear.

Words are meaningless. Actions count. Are you listening President Obama?

Sure he's listening... to what the latest POLL says
taking 'action' that shows strength? not so much

653 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:33am

re: #648 formercorpsman

You know, it is. Our Navy, and the French strike first?

My eye is twitching.

I hope we don't wait a week like the French did.

654 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:35am

Man: “Which ones are those?”
Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”
Man: "Right, OK, I'm with you on that."
Woman: "Rock on."

The man goes on to say "I'm with you on that." The man that said this is wearing a white shirt. Looked like there were two people in the room wearing white shirts during the video. Was the man that said "I'm with you on that" was with the Constitution Party?

655 debutaunt  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:48:42am

re: #393 Earick

The sun has finally come out. Time to go play with my bees!

All you Liziods play nice, now!

I'll be back to check on you later!

Eric?

656 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:49:09am

re: #649 Jimmah

Don't allow yourself to be led by a kook. .

I'm not.


Learn to spot the Glenn Becks of this world and shun them right from the git-go

OK, Seeing as I have watched him for the grand total of an hour in my life that's a cinch. Now what? Seriously. I just don't want to see people intellectualizing reasons for doing nothing.

657 UberInfidel67  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:50:56am

re: #413 Nevergiveup

Obi probably isn't interested in an ambassador to the Vatican. Remember, we need to emphasize the contributions muslims have made to America. The Catholics? Eh, not as important.

658 formercorpsman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:43am

re: #653 avanti

Avanti, you are responding to me?

I'm taken back.

We'll, I'm a knuckle dragger, and my first response is to just neutralize the threat. Across the bow. They should have never been within 1000 yards to begin with.

If this means placing a detail on the civilian ships, so be it.

659 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:52:45am

re: #604 wkeller

Rely for 490 wrenchwench

I am aware of the site - my point was that to imply that Beck agrees with this ranter is silly.

Where's the evidence that he doesn't? Beck promoted a well-known conspiracy book by a John Bircher on his show as one of the greatest books ever written, and actually wrote the foreword for its latest edition. Some of what the ranter is saying comes straight out of that book.

Sorry, you don't get to deny it that easily.

660 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:54:42am

re: #644 Boxy_brown

OK, one of the lessons of the defeat is that people on the "right" were apathetic and not involved. People on the "left" were energized and throwing money at the candidate, going door to door, pounding the pavement. I am not asking for the kind of unthinking mass hysteria that Obama got swept in on but how do we get people on the "right" to get involved. How do we exclude the kooks from that?

I realize that this has a lot to do with the candidates involved but the point is that the left has a gargantuan apparatus in this country geared to getting their own way. From the schools to the media to moveon.org, etc... Countering that used to be antiquated notions like "patriotism" or "responsibility" or "right"... Seeing as those have been delegitimized by the same "Leftist get your own way" apparatus something needs to be done to counter this whole thing. (As well as re-legitimizing and reaffirming some basic principals fundamental to the American experience and human dignity)

So, how do we build an organization from the ground up that can begin to counter what the left has assembled over the past 40 years while we were at work? What's the alternative?

Or do we just do nothing?

Maybe we buy up newspapers. There might be a few that are real cheap.
Publish the real news instead of propaganda, and people might actually start buying them again.
Pay people like Totten for the right to publish their material.

661 Crimsonfisted  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:27am

I wouldn;t be surprised if there were professional agitators at these events, to make conservatives look bad. Still, there are the kooks everywhere.

662 tutor turtle  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:27am

With all due respect, our country going to hell in a "community organizers hand-basket"; can we at least stay focused on those issues that are likely to kill us? This noise is like watching Jerry Springer, and about as important. Yeah, I'm having a bad day.

663 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 11:55:55am

re: #645 shiek al beif salami

How about an intergalactic kegger? Haven't had one of those in a while.

With pan-galactic gargle blasters, of course.

664 Boxy_brown  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:01:24pm

re: #660 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe we buy up newspapers. There might be a few that are real cheap.
Publish the real news instead of propaganda, and people might actually start buying them again.
Pay people like Totten for the right to publish their material.

OK, It's something. The Times will be having a fire sale any day... Im a bit strapped after the beating I took in the market though. Pinch Sulzberger would have to take a lot of useless stuff in trade.

You are correct though, we need better media manipulation, because the media can't be counted on to do it's job.

665 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:03:09pm

re: #664 Boxy_brown

OK, It's something. The Times will be having a fire sale any day... Im a bit strapped after the beating I took in the market though. Pinch Sulzberger would have to take a lot of useless stuff in trade.

You are correct though, we need better media manipulation, because the media can't be counted on to do it's job.

I don't exactly have enough money to pay the scrap metal value of the Boston Globe's printing presses, never mind dealing with the pickets from the unions when I'd refuse to recognize them, especially any one that had "lifetime employment" in their contract.

666 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:04:52pm

re: #390 Killgore Trout

FreedomWorks is the main national organizer of Tea Parties.

Don't forget too that the JBS is actively promoting the tea parties on one of their blogs (I doubt Charles wants me to link it here....), with recommended literature to bring, etc.

Quite the collection of malcontents the tea parties are turning out to be.

667 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:10:29pm

re: #654 Gus 802

Man: “Which ones are those?”
Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah...”
Man: "Right, OK, I'm with you on that."
Woman: "Rock on."

The man goes on to say "I'm with you on that." The man that said this is wearing a white shirt. Looked like there were two people in the room wearing white shirts during the video. Was the man that said "I'm with you on that" was with the Constitution Party?

The Constitution Party guy's shirt was kinda tan. I don't think that was him. But I didn't hear him object either....

668 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:14:55pm

re: #667 wrenchwench

The Constitution Party guy's shirt was kinda tan. I don't think that was him. But I didn't hear him object either....

Yeah, can't tell. But whoever it was agreed and in fact not had any objections. I think if I found myself in a meeting like that with someone screaming "burn the books" I would never go back again.

No books should be burned in my opinion and that's not how a Democracy should work. Some of these people are a threat and I in know way can support a party that would want a return to a pre Bill of Rights Constitution.

669 Athos  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:21:21pm

re: #665 Kosh's Shadow

Exactly. Besides, who would want to invest in a medium that at best features 12 hour old information as 'news'.

670 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:25:46pm

re: #667 wrenchwench

The Constitution Party guy's shirt was kinda tan. I don't think that was him. But I didn't hear him object either....

You do realize what the Constitution Party is, don't you?

671 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:29:32pm

re: #666 freetoken

Hmmm, I hadn't checked before but it seems the Birch society is very involved in the tea party movement. Not just attending them but organizing them as well.

672 shortshrift  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:33:36pm

Who knows how the mad-hatters vote, or even if they vote? Tea parties are not Republican events. Tax-protest itself is predominantly conservative, but carries many Independents and even some Democrats. Creationism, like many bad ideas (global warming, for instance), crosses party lines. Why should conservatives, any more than any educated, rational Americans, be embarrassed by book-burning nutters? They speak for themselves. And if people want to burn books, that is perfectly fine. They can make a bonfire of evolution books, while the lefties burn Bibles, pro-Western history books, anti AGW science, US flags and effigies of Dubya. It is the latter crowd that is in power now.
Certainly, the MSM will label the stupid face of religious America as conservative, but they see all conservatives as stupid in any case. For them, nothing is more stupid than a person who does not believe in paying taxes to government ? We can shout, "Not us, not us - we love books, we don't party with mad-hatters. Look at our white-gloved wringing hands and clothes-pegged noses" - and the fact that we are distancing ourselves will be spun as "Deep rifts within the stupid party". This is the two-party system at work. It is not pretty, but is more efficient than multi-party coalition government.
Even if non-stupid conservatives proposed a sensible political platform, and it was adopted by the Republican party, that will not purge the nutters. Neo-nazis, creationists, racists would still vote Republican. The ballot is secret.
We are in danger of political OCD. Stop cleansing yourselves. Go to the tea parties to protest taxes and mad government spending. Go in sufficient numbers to drown out the book-burners. Take over. Raise the voice of rational conservatism. Push the nutters to the fringe.

673 Mr. Sandman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:41:18pm

These people seem to mainly be leftover/warmed-over Palin-freaks--the very same people, recycled in this context, who were shouting things like "terrorist" in reference to Obama at the Palin-freak rallies.

674 Bloodnok  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:48:10pm

re: #673 Mr. Sandman

Don't fall for this troll's routine, folks. This is his M.O. and in all honesty his troll quality is slipping. He's getting desperate.

675 Ghostbuster  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:52:00pm

re: #462 shiplord kirel

With the media-government cabal nationalizing the banks and the auto industry, trying to disarm law-abiding people with an ammunition tax, and telling us what kind of light bulbs to buy, it would seem that there is no reason to make up crazy stuff like the mind-control TV tuner and FEMA concentration camps to make the case against the left and the Democrats.

Still, people do it and this is what makes me suspect the motives of the crazies. There are a lot of people who just like to make up stuff, preferential liars. To them, anyone can tell the simple truth, while there is power in getting away with an outrageous lie.


Uhhh, ya mean someone like Joe Biden?

676 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:23pm

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

That has to be the most commonsensical thing I've ever seen you say...duly updinged.

;-P

677 Mr. Sandman  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:54:58pm

re: #674 Bloodnok

What? Yo Adrian, what'd I do? (Just giving my opinion/impression here).

678 hazzyday  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 12:57:48pm

re: #541 rightside

Oh SNAP!

You know it's bad when the fwench attack other somali pirates before we attack ours.

Yes, I know the source I linked, but still.

Pres Obama is probably pacing the floor unable to make a decision at 3 PM. He's thinking. "I'm more important than this guy, how can I get out of these so that it's not as close to a headline anymore. Maybe the New York Times can help me."

Or more likely, he passes the blame onto the victim here and moves on to other business.

679 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:02:40pm

re: #670 freetoken

You do realize what the Constitution Party is, don't you?

Um, now I do. Thanks, google, and freetoken.

680 kynna  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:30:12pm

re: #152 avanti

OK, I'm about to set a down ding record with a comment. I was asked about the local Obama meet and greets by folks that were concerned about what went on there. We had a far left pacifist stand up and start a rant about trying Bush for war crimes and he was shouted down and told that was not on the evening agenda.
If someone starts talking about burning books, I don't care what side you support, speak the hell up. Both sides have their loons, and they hurt the rest of us. Everyone has a freedom to speak, but some speech must be challenged by right minded listeners. I happen to think many folks in that video were appalled by what they heard but kept quite, and that gives the impression of agreement..

I agree. No politeness. Especially since there is suspicion of plants. You definitely want to be seen shutting down the nonsense. So the smack down has to be video taped, as well, to counter the inevitable media barrage of the nutter.

Have ever gotten so many updings, Avanti?

681 Ben G. Hazi  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:32:39pm

re: #556 Killgore Trout

That's just f**king disgusting, KT...those Stormfront clowns oughta be worked over by a few Large Sicilian Gentlemen from New Jersey&trade...

682 Colonel Panik  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:56:56pm

Here is the central organizing website for Tea Parties, TaxDayTeaParty.com

Yes, Luap Nor's "FreedomWorks" is listed as a sponsor, but so are a lot of mainstream GOP and fiscon groups like GOPUSA, Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Assoc (for you Kahleefohnyuns), Top Conservatives On Twitter, Newt's American Solutions, etc.

The more mainstream GOPer's and fiscons get involved with the TeaParty movement, the less influence the kooks will have. I plan on being there.

There are some people here who want to see the Tea Party movement fail, and are pushing the "they're all kooks" meme.
They are the same people who did not vote for McCain because "Palin is teh hick". By their fruits ye shall know them.

Get off your duff, out from behind your computer, and have a say in your local area. Don't give in to fearmongers of any stripe.

683 Gus  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 1:59:33pm

THIS JUST IN!
===============

Little Green Footballs article just made Gawker. 16 minutes ago.

A Very Special Book-Burning Glenn Beck Tea Party

684 avanti  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:00:13pm

re: #680 kynna

I agree. No politeness. Especially since there is suspicion of plants. You definitely want to be seen shutting down the nonsense. So the smack down has to be video taped, as well, to counter the inevitable media barrage of the nutter.

Have ever gotten so many updings, Avanti?

I must have screwed up somewhere. :)

685 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:16:47pm

re: #224 Earick

"I don't want anything to do with "tea parties."

But, Charles! Alice is waiting! We said we'ed come to her party!

LOL! I think the Dormouse has the right idea about these tea parties - sleep in.

686 Summer Seale  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:22:03pm

Well, why does this not surprise me?

After all, the last time we had a great depression, the world spurned Nazis and fascists who thought they were the answer to the problem.

To paraphrase Sean Connery as Professor Jones for a moment: Maybe they would learn something from history if they read those books instead of burned them.

687 Summer Seale  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:23:51pm

re: #686 Summer

Er make that "the world created Nazis.."

I wish they had spurned them. Freudian wishful thinking slip there.

688 Zimriel  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:25:09pm

re: #683 Gus 802

THIS JUST IN!
===============

Little Green Footballs article just made Gawker. 16 minutes ago.
"A Very Special Book-Burning Glenn Beck Tea Party"

Awesome.

This is good reason to hope Obama succeeds in lowering unemployment: if fewer Obama-haters are unemployed, that's fewer angry, undisciplined people with time on their hands to support this garbage.

Of course, I expect his plans to lower employment to be Brezhnevian, or if you like Dilbertesque; most of the "employed" will be in make-work stuff that sucks. (Yeah, I'm still reading Mencius M...) But at least they'll be calmer, and likely to support a calm platform of "better jobs and freedom", over the current Republican mixed messages of "Obey Obama" and "BUGS BUGS GET THEM OFF OF ME!".

689 Laugh a Lot  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 3:46:56pm

OK, so you don't like Glenn Beck and you don't like the stupid tea parties. We get it. But the "book burning" loon was so obviously a lefty plant. I mean "evolution and stuff"? Give me a break. Go ahead and keep reminding the right not to go off the rails, but if you're going to report on this stuff, at least include links to the loony left sites like HuffPo that gave marching orders to their mental midgets to attend these gatherings and do exactly what that woman did. Yes, they should be shouted down by the sane folks there, but at the same time let's all understand that the people throwing out racist, ignorant, Bible-thumping red meat at these events are more than likely liberal democrats carrying the water for their guy. I'd like to see the other attendees scream "Go home, democrat!" every time one of those losers starts talking.

690 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:00:07pm

re: #689 Laugh a Lot

OK, so you don't like Glenn Beck and you don't like the stupid tea parties. We get it. But the "book burning" loon was so obviously a lefty plant.

Right.

It's a conspiracy.

691 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:05:40pm

re: #689 Laugh a Lot

Ah yes, the agent provocateur defense... of course the fact that no one objected (vocally) speaks volumes.

Well, it could have been a plant, I suppose. However, between the nutter with hang up with electronics, and the guy from the "Constitution Party", I'd say that group was already well on their way to fringe-ville.

692 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:14:02pm

So, judging from those that object to anyone pointing out the lunatic fringe that is a part of this Tea Party movement, I can see that meme is "If you don't toe my Tea Party line and get with the movement, you are a coward doing nothing but sitting on your ass". Like it's really an "either/or" thing. How cravenly dishonest.

There are many, many different things a concerned citizen can do to effect a positive change that don't involve gathering at protests or giving a pass to the kooks involved.

But noooo.... If you don't shut the hell up about the kooks and take to the streets with them, you're just a lazy coward.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll try and find more positive outlets for getting my voice heard that don't involve hanging with or giving a pass to Birchers, Paulbots, neo-facsists, and the like.

693 celtic templar  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:23:16pm

I want inflatable dove things and signs that read "Just Poop" ... that'd be cool

694 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:23:26pm

re: #692 Slumbering Behemoth

Birchers, Paulbots, neo-facsists, and the like.

Speaking of which, I'm watching a video of Paul at last fall's big JBS meeting. Interesting watching him give credit to the Birchers for helping him from the beginning (of his political career.) Very telling speech in some ways. No wonder Skousen Beck has had Paul on his show so many times (besides for the entertainment quality of it.)

It is such a tangled web of far-right groups and personalities. All of them depend upon, to some extent, a certain level of paranoia to maintain their momentum; that is one thing to watch for with Beck's future moves - see if he starts to project manifestations of paranoia, and through suggestion try to pass it on to his viewers.

695 jeremy1013  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:33:25pm

..There is no king, be his cause never so spotless, if it come to
the arbitrement of swords, can try it out with all unspotted soldiers.

-Henry V, before the battle at Agincourt


Insisting that all movements be perfect isn't standing on principle. It's a recipe for spinning your wheels.

696 Achilles Tang  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:41:18pm

Other than the last 30 seconds I don't get it. Was Beck talking all the time while the other loons were talking?

697 freetoken  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:47:33pm

re: #696 Naso Tang

Um, Beck himself wasn't there.

698 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 4:48:09pm

re: #695 jeremy1013

Insisting that all movements be perfect isn't standing on principle. It's a recipe for spinning your wheels.

It's not "insisting on perfection" to refuse to dive into a sewer.

699 kahall  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 5:03:01pm

This kind of crazy talk has got to stop. They can say it all they want but I will not stay and listen if anyone starts spewing crap like that at our local TP. This whole thing is going to back fire if someone does not get a handle on it.

700 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 5:59:50pm

THAT was Glenn Beck? Fox actually lets him speak on their network without disclaimers before and after each commercial? Conservatives—Rupublican, Libertarian, whatever—need to make sure he is not allowed to represent them. He needs psychiatric help. This is the first time I've heard him speak.

He reminds me of the crazy people you can hear on late night shortwave radio broadcasts.

I like both chlorine and fluoride in my water—no cholera or cavities for me, thank you.

701 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 6:06:09pm

re: #700 David IV of Georgia

THAT was Glenn Beck? Fox actually lets him speak on their network without disclaimers before and after each commercial? Conservatives—Rupublican, Libertarian, whatever—need to make sure he is not allowed to represent them. He needs psychiatric help. This is the first time I've heard him speak.

He reminds me of the crazy people you can hear on late night shortwave radio broadcasts.

I like both chlorine and fluoride in my water—no cholera or cavities for me, thank you.

No, that was not Glenn Beck. You must have missed the sentence with these words:

... an unnamed speaker ...

This meeting was billed as a “Project 912 Glenn Beck Tea Party,” though, and was obviously inspired by Beck.

702 Jaded  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 6:06:19pm

OK NOW lets don't get all twisted on these idiots the TEA Parties are a GREAT idea and the point of them is solid and grounded in STOPPING the bailouts and class warfare taxing on the rich and those who make anything close to 6 figures. This is a grassroots bottom up protest and having been to all the anti-war protest in DC to counter the TOOLS I will tell you WE will NOT allow the crazies or the leftists who infiltrate the parties to wrench them away. This is serious business for Federalist like myself and I and millions like me are not going to let the insipid wingnuts destroy the message. We will make them known and make them pariahs!

This is NOT a right or left issue this IS an American issue. Bush, Obama doesn't matter they are both spending our children and grandchildrens futures down the toilet and it MUST be STOPPED!

703 David IV of Georgia  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 6:14:21pm

re: #701 Charles

I watched the video from the next thread "Why don't you just set us on fire?" and realized my mistake.

The speakers at this meeting are a bit loony, though.

The libertarian and the Constitution party guys are the most level headed of the group—and I think that their platforms are 50% sage wisdom and 50% paranoid lunacy.

704 el guapo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 7:36:34pm

You are being silly. It is so obvious that the woman who made the comment was someone who didn't like what was being discussed and yelled that out facetiously as a dig at the crowd.

705 el guapo  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 7:39:02pm

and to add...if this board is any indication of the future of any sort of opposition to Obama's bat shiat crazy policies, we are doomed.

706 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 10, 2009 8:12:19pm

re: #704 el guapo

You are being silly. It is so obvious that the woman who made the comment was someone who didn't like what was being discussed and yelled that out facetiously as a dig at the crowd.

Right. It was a joke.

Or maybe it was a conspiracy.

Or a leftist infiltrator.

Couldn't possibly have been a real tea party person.

No way.

707 Salamantis  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 2:16:38am

re: #705 el guapo

and to add...if this board is any indication of the future of any sort of opposition to Obama's bat shiat crazy policies, we are doomed.

Whatever opposition we muster must be principled and not involve conspiracy theory kooks and neonazi racists. And it must present better alternative policies.

If we can't do that - if we have nothing and no one better or more responsible to offer than what's being done and who's doing it now, as horrifically bad as it is, we by all rights shouldn't prevail.

708 Emerald  Sat, Apr 11, 2009 5:26:43am

re: #689 Laugh a Lot

OK, so you don't like Glenn Beck and you don't like the stupid tea parties. We get it. But the "book burning" loon was so obviously a lefty plant.


Sure she was. And so was every single person in the audience who cheered her on.

709 Parker in US  Sun, Apr 12, 2009 11:26:37pm

This is a hit job the woman who yelled the comment was obviously running the camera this is nothing but fodder for the far left. However the other guy talking about the Digital boxes being a brainwash unit was a nut job. What he should have said was the TV is a brainwash unit! I went to a Tea Party Saturday and it was awesome couldn't believe how many people showed up and how diverse and pissed off the crowd was. You can say what you want but this is unacceptable to me and should be to everybody:

[Link: www.federalbudget.com...]

710 Parker in US  Sun, Apr 12, 2009 11:37:59pm

Oh and by the way that 11.1 Trillion debt = $37,000.00 for every man woman and child living in this country

Unacceptable!

That's the story you should be covering!

711 ModernDayPrayer  Mon, Apr 13, 2009 9:40:20am

Since the woman who posted the video lists Sagan videos among her favorites I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume she's a plant.

Beck is still crazy though.

712 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 13, 2009 3:22:09pm

re: #709 Parker in US

This is a hit job the woman who yelled the comment was obviously running the camera this is nothing but fodder for the far left. However the other guy talking about the Digital boxes being a brainwash unit was a nut job. What he should have said was the TV is a brainwash unit! I went to a Tea Party Saturday and it was awesome couldn't believe how many people showed up and how diverse and pissed off the crowd was. You can say what you want but this is unacceptable to me and should be to everybody:

[Link: www.federalbudget.com...]

You don't know who the hell was running the camera, or if it was or was not the same person who made the book-burning remark - you're just assuming what you's LIKE to be true, like any other conspiracy theorist. All those people who applauded the remark were not running the camera, though; they were right there in front of it - clapping and cheering.

713 Salamantis  Mon, Apr 13, 2009 3:25:17pm

re: #710 Parker in US

Oh and by the way that 11.1 Trillion debt = $37,000.00 for every man woman and child living in this country

Unacceptable!

That's the story you should be covering!

How nice of you to tell Charles what stories he should and shouldn't be covering on his own fucking blog.

Why don't you start your own fucking blog, so we can all run over and return the favor?

714 Lacus Odii  Mon, Apr 13, 2009 11:13:10pm

re: #706 Charles

Durhurhur, yeah maybe it could have been any of those things. Or, it could have been a joke. C'mon man, that was a cheap rhetorical trick.

First of all, he wasn't cheered on. For the duration of his speech people barely reacted to what he was saying, almost as if they were politely ignoring his idiocy. Then he said he wasn't paying his taxes anymore, and he was openly laughed at. Maybe your sense of humor isn't as dry as some people's but I would have done the exact same thing as that woman did, mock the idiot by yelling to burn the books. For crying out loud, he asked her what books and she said Oh, you know, those brainwashing books. And then she got in her jab at the creationists. Some people clapped, probably most of them sardonically, one person seemed to actually be responding to what the guy, and someone else off camera openly confronted him. At best he was comic entertainment for a few minutes.

I get it, you don't like Ron Paul crowd and you don't like the Tea Parties. Neither do I, but that's not an excuse to shut off your brain. In the 1990's my caucus voted for Alan Keyes, I know these people very, very well. That group had a mix of pissed off people, stupid people and a couple crazy people. It may be surprising because of the Ron Paul hoopla during the last election, but these people are overwhelmingly polite. It's difficult to get them to shut someone off in the middle of speaking. They have their craziness, but that's not one of them. On the other hand I personally watched a full grown adult in a business suit bust into a bizarre screaming temper tantrum during the 2004 caucuses during a speech that criticized George W. Bush, proving there are plenty of mixed nuts in the party proper.

715 Lacus Odii  Mon, Apr 13, 2009 11:18:07pm

re: #711 ModernDayPrayer

Maybe she's just not a creationist and so she doesn't have problems with guys like Sagan who dedicated their lives to subjects that have completely disproved that the universe was made in six days.

716 mike2fek  Tue, Apr 14, 2009 11:47:36pm

re:#715
If she's linking to Sagan because she's not a creationist, why is the one subject she mentions banning when someone challenges her on the book burning (quote) "that evolution crap"? You can be a conservative and love Carl Sagan, but to then honestly call for the burning of evolution related books doesn't seem to make much sense.

Sagan aside, it takes no more than a cursory glance at this woman's favorite videos on youtube to come to the quite reasonable conclusion that she was not a legitimate "right wing nutjob". There are plenty of right wing nutjobs out there, several of whom were probably in this meeting, but the book burning thing was likely just a joke on her part. I'm not saying its some insidious conspiracy of liberal plants, but the evidence is pretty strong that her sentiments on book burning are less than sincere.

What is disturbing is the fact that so many people have given such an obvious joke/hoax so much credibility. There are people who want to restrict free speech, this woman is not of them.

717 smitty1276  Thu, Apr 16, 2009 8:36:14pm

Actually, I didn't see anyone clapping or cheering on camera. I came away with the impression that the girl yelling was making fun on the nut speaking, and the people clapping and "cheering" were other people behind the camera who were amused at the whole ordeal.

The guy sitting right in front of the nut couldn't even look at him as he was speaking. Everybody in that room thought the guy was an idiot.


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