Bad Lip Reading Debate Remix: ‘Eye of the Sparrow’
But first, I want you to turn and look at each other
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:43:25pm |
Even Bad Lip Reading can't cut the sting from that debate.
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R.M, Ramallo Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:46:56pm |
Really, Obama looked like he couldn't believe what he was hearing.
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JamesWI Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:54:30pm |
A video history, Romney has held 9 different positions on abortion since 1994. buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynsk…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) October 10, 2012
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:56:18pm |
This one was the best.
"Paul Ryan's Video Diary" — A Bad Lip Reading of Paul Ryan
The voice really works. Sounds like a Paul Ryan.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:57:05pm |
re: #5 Reverend Mother Ramallo
The snoozing President characterture is, sadly, not that far off the mark.
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:58:51pm |
re: #10 freetoken
The snoozing President characterture is, sadly, not that far off the mark.
I think Obama got some bad advice.
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R.M, Ramallo Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:59:29pm |
re: #10 freetoken
The snoozing President characterture is, sadly, not that far off the mark.
Unfortunately.
That part stung a little.
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:00:37pm |
Did you know trying to stuff a cat into a tube just pisses him off?
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:01:15pm |
re: #13 reflections of a raging redneck
Did you know trying to stuff a cat into a tube just pisses him off?
The snake monkey bit the banana locomotive.
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:02:19pm |
re: #14 Gus
The snake monkey bit the banana locomotive.
But the wind swept up the frog's riding wings.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:03:11pm |
re: #15 reflections of a raging redneck
But the wind swept up the frog's riding wings.
Jim Morrison knew the attack butterfly wouldn't be catapulted right from the wheat berries.
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R.M, Ramallo Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:03:31pm |
I'm callin it a night.
I stay up waaaay to late.
Have fun!
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:09:21pm |
re: #19 reflections of a raging redneck
Many stones turned lemming yellow rode the money belt.
The weeping willow trees of independence drove in on a cement bucket with stools as tires.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:09:44pm |
Ah, I see that the real Americans haven't been duped by all those phony polls in September:
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:11:09pm |
re: #21 freetoken
Ah, I see that the real Americans haven't been duped by all those phony polls in September:
If you use the margin of error for all of these polls? It's 50/50.
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jaunte Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:12:06pm |
"There's no corporation in America that would have a CEO, no COO, just a CEO, with 30 direct reports. So I would probably have super-cabinet secretaries, or at least some structure that McKinsey would guide me to put in place. I'm not kidding. I probably would bring in McKinsey."
--Mitt Romney, to the Wall Street Journal, 2007
Czars!
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:15:35pm |
re: #20 Gus
The weeping willow trees of independence drove in on a cement bucket with stools as tires.
Poop shoot winner.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:15:37pm |
Trying to envision Romney as winning the election...
I need moar chocolate.
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andres Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:17:18pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Trying to envision Romney as winning the election...
I need moar chocolate.
I'd need to have a little chat with that Jose fellow. Think his last name is Cuervo.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:18:15pm |
re: #25 reflections of a raging redneck
Darn, Mongo (Alex Karras) is dying of kidney failure.
Mongo only pawn in game of life.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:18:31pm |
Anyone else having problems with the Spy windows automatically refreshing?
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:20:02pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Anyone else having problems with the Spy windows automatically refreshing?
No, but maybe if you hum a few bars...
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palomino Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:21:43pm |
re: #23 Gus
If you use the margin of error for all of these polls? It's 50/50.
Which just tells you how soft about 10% or so of the support is...for both candidates. If polls can bounce around like this due to a convention and one debate, then there's still fluidity. But the clock is running and all of a sudden, the veep debate and the next two prez debates seem far more important than they should.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:23:12pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Anyone else having problems with the Spy windows automatically refreshing?
Main thread windows don't refresh properly for me. Haven't tried spy since the great Reddit Massacre ...
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b_sharp Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:24:45pm |
re: #33 William Barnett-Lewis
Main thread windows don't refresh properly for me. Haven't tried spy since the great Reddit Massacre ...
We'll be telling our grandchildren about the Great Reddit Massacre for many years.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:28:18pm |
re: #30 freetoken
Anyone else having problems with the Spy windows automatically refreshing?
Mine stops after I comment.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:32:29pm |
Stopped again (at Charles' #37).
And that's without me entering a comment.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:35:08pm |
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jaunte Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:36:42pm |
Three Republican lawmakers in Arkansas are in hot water following the release of their remarks about slavery, Jesus and Muslims over the weekend. The Arkansas Republican Party immediately distanced itself by denouncing their comments as offensive and pulling their campaign funding.
....
In a 2009 self-published book, Representative Jon Hubbard of Jonesboro calls slavery a “blessing in disguise” for blacks, who otherwise would have still struggled as “African tribesmen” instead of becoming the citizens of “the greatest nation” on earth.
[Link: newsfeed.time.com...]
Hey, it's only been public knowledge since 2009. How could the Republican Party of Arkansas have known?
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Interesting Times Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:37:57pm |
@mittromney is like a mood ring - changes positions depending on whose hand is holding him by the balls— Greytdog (@Greytdog) October 10, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:39:11pm |
re: #49 Gus
Combat sim?
Not sure. I know at least one of Microsoft's flight sims eventually got the 219 as a flyable aircraft, mostly because it was the only prop-driven Luftwaffe aircraft that was capable of reliably intercepting the Mosquito. Goering's dislike of Heinkel kept it from being given production priority, though, luckily for the RAF.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:40:23pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
I'll see your Mosquito and raise you an He 219:
Feh, here's the best twin fighter of the war: Image: 300px-Northrop_P-61_green_airborne.jpg
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:41:10pm |
re: #51 Interesting Times
MittRomney is like a mood ring - changes positions depending on whose hand is holding him by the balls
Speaking of which:
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:41:23pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
Not sure. i know at leas one of Microsoft's flight sims eventually got the 219 as a flyable aircraft, mostly because it was the only prop-driven Luftwaffe aircraft that was capable of reliably intercepting the Mosquito. Goering's dislike of Heinkel kept it from being given production priority, though, luckily for the RAF.
I can autoland a 747 in zero viz with flight sim. Once the RW is in sight taking over on manual.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:45:02pm |
Try to imagine this headline running on the AP say, 50 years ago:
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:45:32pm |
re: #53 William Barnett-Lewis
Feh, here's the best twin fighter of the war: Image: 300px-Northrop_P-61_green_airborne.jpg
A shame about the buffeting from the turret, though.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:45:56pm |
Tune in tomorrow to find out who Mitt Romney is.— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:46:17pm |
re: #55 Gus
I can autoland a 747 in zero viz with flight sim. Once the RW is in sight taking over on manual.
Back around 2003, people finally took a really close look at the "Flyer" and modeled it in MS Flight Sim. I doubt there is anything remotely as nasty to fly that has been successful since. Yet, they managed because they built off of the gliders they'd built. It was how they expected a plane to fly. We've learned much better since then ...
'Cause, damn, Curtis' pusher birds were bad enough but the actual early Wright Brother's aircraft were some seriously nasty airplanes to fly.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:46:54pm |
re: #53 William Barnett-Lewis
Feh, here's the best twin fighter of the war: Image: 300px-Northrop_P-61_green_airborne.jpg
not disagreeing, but I've got a soft spot for some of the lesser-known but still excellent aircraft of WWII. The P-47N is also on that list for me. the Soviet YAK-3 as well.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:47:33pm |
re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis
'Cause, damn, Curtis' pusher birds were bad enough but the actual early Wright Brother's aircraft were some seriously nasty airplanes to fly.
The downside of asking bike mechanics to design the first workable airplane is that you're going to get something weird and squirrely and dynamically unstable.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:48:02pm |
re: #57 freetoken
Try to imagine this headline running on the AP say, 50 years ago:
The really impressive thing is that Deng's been dead for 15 years and Mohammed for 1380. But they really came alive in tonight's game.
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Tigger2 Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:48:20pm |
re: #5 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Really, Obama looked like he couldn't believe what he was hearing.
I couldn't. lol
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:48:24pm |
Our America, 9 October 2012:
Kachur: Faith needed on evolution
Accepting evolution requires faith
Rep. Paul Broun, the Republican representing northeast Georgia in Congress, is being excoriated for his Christian beliefs, as we see from recent letters to the editor, in addition to TV and radio reports, on his recent speech calling evolution and other aspects of science “lies straight from the pit of hell.”
Christians and Jews alike [oh, really?] are anticipating the appearance of the Messiah. We just don’t agree whether it will be the first or second arrival. We both read the Torah, or Old Testament, which tells of how God created this world and all in it. If we didn’t believe it to be true, we could save a lot of time and money by not attending temple or church, and not putting money into the collection plate. [finally, someone gets to the point.]
If the story of creation is not true, how can we believe any part of the Scriptures? If you know that someone habitually stretches the truth, do you believe anything he says?
The statistical odds against evolution being the beginning of all life on this earth, with all its varieties, are staggering. It takes a lot more faith — yes, faith — to believe in evolution rather than intelligent design.
Truth is not hard to find if you honestly seek it.
Clifford Kachur
So there.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:48:36pm |
re: #58 erik_t
A shame about the buffeting from the turret, though.
They did fix that in time though, and when the problem was fixed the turret was added back onto the design. Late model P-61s helped defeat the Luftwaffe's final intruder missions into British airspace.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:49:47pm |
We're still getting traffic surges from Reddit, folks. When it subsides I have some things planned to improve this situation, but I can't start working on it while it's still surging.
It's better than being completely off-line, though...
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:49:49pm |
re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis
Back around 2003, people finally took a really close look at the "Flyer" and modeled it in MS Flight Sim. I doubt there is anything remotely as nasty to fly that has been successful since. Yet, they managed because they built off of the gliders they'd built. It was how they expected a plane to fly. We've learned much better since then ...
'Cause, damn, Curtis' pusher birds were bad enough but the actual early Wright Brother's aircraft were some seriously nasty airplanes to fly.
I could fly anything in the sim. Except for landing the F-104. That was my widow maker.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:50:07pm |
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:50:25pm |
re: #58 erik_t
A shame about the buffeting from the turret, though.
Yeah, the photo-rec version (F-15 at the time) was originally a fighter with the 20's in the nose & a two seat bubble canopy. If it had been built first? Alas...
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:50:43pm |
re: #65 freetoken
Our America, 9 October 2012:
Kachur: Faith needed on evolution
So there.
I'm not really fond of the "nonbelievers save money" meme. I'll put my charitable contributions up against those of most believers. And mine goes to actually help people.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:50:57pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
Mustang.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:53:14pm |
The Mustang was able to provide excellent defense for high altitude bombing runs by B-17s and B-24s. Originally a British design that wound up with North American.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:53:23pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
XF5U, if experimentals count.
F6F isn't lesser-known, per se, but it doesn't get a tenth the respect it deserves.
You may be detecting a slight Navy bias. And you're right.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:53:52pm |
re: #61 Dark_Falcon
not disagreeing, but I've got a soft spot for some of the lesser-known but still excellent aircraft of WWII. The P-47N is also on that list for me. the Soviet YAK-3 as well.
The Yakovlevs, the Sturmovik, the T-34 & Detroit 2 1/2 ton trucks saved the Soviets from the Nazi's.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:54:02pm |
re: #73 Gus
The Mustang was able to provide excellent defense for high altitude bombing runs by B-17s and B-24s. Originally a British design that wound up with North American.
A design for the British, which is a very different statement.
(dreams about P-38s with Merlins)
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:54:47pm |
re: #76 erik_t
A design for the British, which is a very different statement.
(dreams about P-38s with Merlins)
Sad. He died of cancer.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:55:06pm |
re: #21 freetoken
Ah, I see that the real Americans haven't been duped by all those phony polls in September:
Um, none of the actual polls mentioned in the article had Romney ahead.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:55:20pm |
re: #68 Gus
I could fly anything in the sim. Except for landing the F-104. That was my widow maker.
Oy, dude, that's nasty snark. The luftwaffe would slap you for that one... ;)
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:56:14pm |
re: #79 William Barnett-Lewis
Oy, dude, that's nasty snark. The luftwaffe would slap you for that one... ;)
Carrier landing was easier.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:56:27pm |
re: #79 William Barnett-Lewis
Oy, dude, that's nasty snark. The luftwaffe would slap you for that one... ;)
Who in God's green earth takes a pointy dart MOAR SPEED MOAR point interceptor and turns it into a mud-mover?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:58:25pm |
re: #72 Gus
Mustang.
Lesser known, Gus. The P-51 is one of the best known WWII aircraft, in no small part because there are more P51s still flying than any other WWII aircraft.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:59:33pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
How lesser do you want to go? Prototype level failures or mass produced bud ignored?
For the former, the P-75 Eagle. As misbegotten a POS as has ever flown, it's so ugly it's cute.
If the latter, either the P-61 or P-36 in the French service - they shot down more Germans with American made Hawks than with French made fighters... The P-36 gave a good account at Pearl as well, all things considered.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:00:33pm |
re: #76 erik_t
A design for the British, which is a very different statement.
(dreams about P-38s with Merlins)
There was a proposal to convert the 38 to Merlin power, but it never went anywhere. Not only was there no guarantee of a performance improvement over the Allison, the Army had already earmarked Merlin production to the 51.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:02:10pm |
re: #84 Targetpractice
There was a proposal to convert the 38 to Merlin power, but it never went anywhere. Not only was there no guarantee of a performance improvement over the Allison, the Army had already earmarked Merlin production to the 51.
I think it can be stated with a high level of certainty that the P-38 would have seen a high-altitude performance improvement with the Merlin. Basically nothing with the Allison did well high over Europe; nothing with the Merlin did badly.
The point regarding production numbers is spot-on, of course. You can't have everything. P-38 did just fine at more modest altitudes in the Pacific.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:02:56pm |
re: #81 erik_t
Who in God's green earth takes a pointy dart MOAR SPEED MOAR point interceptor and turns it into a mud-mover?
Someone who was paid really insanely huge bribes by Lockheed?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:03:10pm |
re: #75 William Barnett-Lewis
The Yakovlevs, the Sturmovik, the T-34 & Detroit 2 1/2 ton trucks saved the Soviets from the Nazi's.
The A-20 Havocs we supplied the USSR with didn't hurt either. They also received P-39 Airacobras, P-63 King Cobras, B-25 Mitchells, and the Soviets built C-47s under license. The UK also supplied the USSR with Hurricanes and Spitfires.
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Gus Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:03:43pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
Lesser known, Gus. The P-51 is one of the best known WWII aircraft, in no small part because there are more P51s still flying than any other WWII aircraft.
P-51. P-47.
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erik_t Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:04:00pm |
The P-38 with a pair of R-2600 or R-2800 is left as an interesting exercise to the reader.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:04:43pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
The A-20 Havocs we supplied the USSR with didn't hurt either. They also received P-39 Airacobras, P-63 King Cobras, B-25 Mitchells, and the Soviets built C-47s under license. The UK also supplied the USSR with Hurricanes and Spitfires.
Was gonna point out one or both as falling under your "lesser known" question. The Soviets absolutely loved them, both in the early air war where their performance was totally adequate, but later in the war the 37mm cannon served as one hell of a can-opener.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:05:06pm |
This is what the internet was made for.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:06:45pm |
re: #85 erik_t
I think it can be stated with a high level of certainty that the P-38 would have seen a high-altitude performance improvement with the Merlin. Basically nothing with the Allison did well high over Europe; nothing with the Merlin did badly.
The point regarding production numbers is spot-on, of course. You can't have everything. P-38 did just fine at more modest altitudes in the Pacific.
In the Pacific it became the aircraft used by Ira "Dick" Bong (40 kills) and Thomas McGuire (38 kills), the top-scoring American pilots of WWII.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:07:12pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
The A-20 Havocs we supplied the USSR with didn't hurt either. They also received P-39 Airacobras, P-63 King Cobras, B-25 Mitchells, and the Soviets built C-47s under license. The UK also supplied the USSR with Hurricanes and Spitfires.
Meh, they helped but the they would have survived without any of the lend lease stuff except for the trucks. Having the trucks allowed the Soviets to concentrate their own manufacturing on tanks and planes.
The C47 license did seriously help but those were still all built in Rodina. The planes were useful but not "necessary" the same way the trucks were.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:07:43pm |
re: #89 erik_t
The P-38 with a pair of R-2600 or R-2800 is left as an interesting exercise to the reader.
It's called an F-15 Reporter...
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jaunte Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:12:55pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
The Italian Cant Z.506 seaplane; it stayed in service from 1936 to 1960.
[Link: www.targeta.co.uk...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:14:54pm |
re: #95 jaunte
The Italian Cant Z.506 seaplane; it stayed in service from 1936 to 1960.
Seriously good choice.
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jaunte Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:16:52pm |
re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis
I like the amphibians: [Link: www.targeta.co.uk...]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:21:06pm |
re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis
Meh, they helped but the they would have survived without any of the lend lease stuff except for the trucks. Having the trucks allowed the Soviets to concentrate their own manufacturing on tanks and planes.
The C47 license did seriously help but those were still all built in Rodina. The planes were useful but not "necessary" the same way the trucks were.
they did enable the Red Army to effectively use its airborne troops in their intended "deep battle" operational role, which did at times disrupt German defenses and enabled assaults to be carried out a significant reduction in casualties.
And the Soviets did build their own GAZ-series trucks, tens of thousands of them.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:23:28pm |
re: #98 Dark_Falcon
And the Soviets did build their own GAZ-series trucks, tens of thousands of them.
As many as there was, and there were a huge number, they still weren't enough. Even with GAZ & Detroit they still needed more... fortunately for the world, they had enough...
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:23:37pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
B-24 Liberator.. built on an assembly line not too far from here..
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SteveMcG Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:24:25pm |
The Privateer was a B-24 with a single rudder. It was really tall.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:24:48pm |
re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis
Seriously good choice.
And often a priority target for Allied fighters, as it was capable of carrying a torpedo. Despite the 'low and slow' approach torpedo carrying planes had to make, they were still feared as torpedoes were the most efficient way to sink a ship.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:25:59pm |
re: #91 Mocking Jay
This is what the internet was made for.
Andrew is a twit and this is all I will say about the polls from now on.
I don't know what the electorate will look like this year, but this is the breakdown from 2008.
[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]
Any poll with a cross tabs that are wildly outside of this is probably crap. So from now on if I say a poll is crap this was my reference.
Jut as an example:
2008 electorate: 74% white, 47% male, 43% over 45, and 32% South
Yesterday's Pew Poll: 84% white, 45% male 70% over 50 and 38% South
The only measure that was close was the gender breakdown.
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jaunte Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:27:52pm |
re: #101 SteveMcG
The Privateer was a B-24 with a single rudder. It was really tall.
It got around:
Other post war service included 22 Privateers provided to Aeronautique Navale for service with the French colonial forces in Vietnam. They were used as bombers until after Dien Bien Phu, with four lost in combat. Six were returned to U.S. service, the remaining twelve were flown to North Africa where they fought in Algeria and later during the Suez Incident.
[Link: www.aviation-history.com...]
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:29:16pm |
re: #105 jaunte
It got around:
The ones in US service were instrumental in making sure the Sidewinder worked properly though ... ;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:32:31pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
Big fan of the Mosquito; also like the Typhoon and Tempest.
On the US side the F6F and F8F (Bearcat). I also think the Tigercat would have proved pretty interesting. I'm not a Mustang nut, fan of the P-38 and P-47 more than the P-51.
Not too impressed with the Japanese stuff. They went down the wrong design path IMO. While the Zero was outstanding in certain ways, it also had some serious weaknesses. And their later designs never got over development bugs and issues with designing larger engines.
And for the Luftwaffe I am essentially a FW-190 fan. And I think the FW-189 is neat as well. :)
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darthstar Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:32:53pm |
I still think the Rick Perry "Save a pretzel for the gas jets!" BLR soundbite was the best. But this was entertaining enough.
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makeitstop Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:34:16pm |
Tom Levenson over at Cole's place lays the smack down on Josh Romney:
The President of the United States—the one who steered the country through the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the one who passed the most significant health care reform in two generations, the one who saved the auto industry (in which your own family once took pride, as I recall), the one who steered a very delicate course that ended with the fall of more than one dictator and the transformation of autocratic Arab regimes into something much closer to one their own people recognize as legitimate, the guy who got Bin Laden and all the rest—that great American is to you “an obstinate child.”
Really?
Oh—and I forgot to mention. That president, our president, your president, like it or not, happens to be the first African-American to hold that office, which among many other things means he has to deal with a level of identity pressure unlike anything a born-rich, never-has-to-wonder-about-your-children’s-children’s-material-well-being guy like yourself. And with all of that you’re going to call that man “an obstinate child.” Just a brat arguing with Daddy-knows-best at the dinner table. A servant, perhaps, a member of the lower orders, who should, by rights, know his place?
As I said, the word you are looking for is “boy.” Really, you just said it.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:35:17pm |
Another little-known WWII aircraft, the Piaggio P.108. The Soviet Union was indeed lucky that these 4 engine heavy bombers were kept in the Mediterranean theater: Had they been sent to the Eastern Front instead, the Tankograd plant at Chelabinsk would have been within their range. Had such bombers disrupted T-34 production there, Zhukov might never have been able to amass enough armor for his Operation: Saturn and Operation: Uranus counterattacks in late 1942 that trapped the German 6th Army at Stalingrad.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:37:00pm |
I think the Dems should congratulate Mitt and Ryan for abandoning the far right and veering toward the center going into the general election.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:40:25pm |
re: #111 Mich-again
I think the Dems should congratulate Mitt and Ryan for abandoning the far right and veering toward the center going into the general election.
This has been their plan all along...and it could work. And if it does, Mitt can do whatever damage he likes to the middle and lower class and they'll vote for him again because, hey, the black guy left this country a fuckin' mess! And if shit gets better under Mitt, he can pretend he succeeded George W. Bush and we never had a Kenyan in the White House. Yeah, Mitt's a fucking asshole. When Obama wins, I hope the IRS and the Justice Dept. both come down hard on Mitt's ass for a few months so he pleas out a 'shut-the-fuck-up and stay off TV' agreement. I want that guy to go away faster than Palin.
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Targetpractice Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:40:53pm |
re: #107 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Big fan of the Mosquito; also like the Typhoon and Tempest.
On the US side the F6F and F8F (Bearcat). I also think the Tigercat would have proved pretty interesting. I'm not a Mustang nut, fan of the P-38 and P-47 more than the P-51.
Not too impressed with the Japanese stuff. They went down the wrong design path IMO. While the Zero was outstanding in certain ways, it also had some serious weaknesses. And their later designs never got over development bugs and issues with designing larger engines.
And for the Luftwaffe I am essentially a FW-190 fan. And In think the FW-189 is neat as well. :)
Problem with the Japanese is the same as the problem with the Germans: They didn't have the equipment or chemicals on hand to produce the sort of high-octane avgas that the Allies could. They were stuck with lower octane fuel, which necessitated larger engines that put greater stress on then existing materials science. Likewise, the Japanese relied primarily on radial engines due to their reliability, something very important when you're an island nation surrounded by hundreds of miles of ocean all around it.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:42:40pm |
re: #110 Dark_Falcon
Another little-known WWII aircraft, the Piaggio P.108. The Soviet Union was indeed lucky that these 4 engine heavy bombers were kept in the Mediterranean theater: Had they been sent to the Eastern Front instead, the Tankograd plant at Chelabinsk would have been within their range. Had such bombers disrupted T-34 production there, Zhukov might never have been able to amass enough armor for his Operation: Saturn and Operation: Uranus counterattacks in late 1942 that trapped the German 6th Army at Stalingrad.
This presumes the could have gotten there. I'd have to rate that as about ... oh, I dunno, Highly un-fucking-likely? While it's true they built a decent bomber with good range, it couldn't have survived without escort - we couldn't have without resources far deeper than every other nation in WWII combined and the B-17 (for all it's very real flaws) did have by far the best on board protection of any pre-war bomber - the losses would have ended their attempts within a month.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:47:29pm |
USA! USA! The USA has the least amount of required work time to buy a half-liter of beer.
[Link: www.economist.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:48:05pm |
re: #114 William Barnett-Lewis
This presumes the could have gotten there. I'd have to rate that as about ... oh, I dunno, Highly un-fucking-likely? While it's true they built a decent bomber with good range, it couldn't have survived without escort - we couldn't have without resources far deeper than every other nation in WWII combined and the B-17 (for all it's very real flaws) did have by far the best on board protection of any pre-war bomber - the losses would have ended their attempts within a month.
That would have been hard for the Soviets to do: Their interceptors were best at low-levels, and the P-108 could fly high enough as to give the BF-109 greater strength against them. And even in that, the P-108 would have done a service: every fighter and 85mm AA gun it kept positioned east of the Urals would have been one unable to protect the Red Army's tanks from FW-190 fighter-bombers and JU-87 Stukas.
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darthstar Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:50:53pm |
Peter Gabriel is the least fucked-up long-time rock star I know. And that's a list.— John Perry Barlow (@JPBarlow) October 10, 2012
I love Barlow's work...he wrote a lot of songs for the Dead.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:51:05pm |
Probably good that we'll never really know, isn't it, DF?
And with that, good night all.
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Lidane Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:52:11pm |
Evening, all!
Finally redeemed my nerd fail and saw The Dark Knight Rises. I liked it. Good ending to the Nolan trilogy, and Anne Hathaway was great. My fangirl self liked The Avengers better, though.
Up next: finding a way to see The Bourne Legacy. I liked all the Damon films, and I want to see Renner's take on that world.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:52:39pm |
re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis
Probably good that we'll never really know, isn't it, DF?
And with that, good night all.
True indeed, friend.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:54:08pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
That would have been hard for the Soviets to do: Their interceptors were best at low-levels, and the P-108 could fly high enough as to give the BF-109 greater strength against them. And even in that, the P-108 would have done a service: every fighter and 85mm AA gun it kept positioned east of the Urals would have been one unable to protect the Red Army's tanks from FW-190 fighter-bombers and JU-87 Stukas.
I've been reading a "70 years ago in WW2" thread over on COMSIMWORLD*. And I didn't know that the *Russians* bombed Berlin a few times in 1942 using their relatively small number of 4-engined bombers until I read it there.
* - It is in a forum thread for a submarine game, but the writer covers non-naval stuff as well.
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William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:54:33pm |
re: #117 darthstar
I love Barlow's work...he wrote a lot of songs for the Dead.
Why is that supposed to be a good thing? /// Sorry, couldn't resist the snark as I never liked the Dead pretending to play music.
See you all in the morning.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:57:43pm |
re: #112 darthstar
This has been their plan all along...and it could work. And if it does, Mitt can do whatever damage he likes to the middle and lower class and they'll vote for him again because, hey, the black guy left this country a fuckin' mess! And if shit gets better under Mitt, he can pretend he succeeded George W. Bush and we never had a Kenyan in the White House. Yeah, Mitt's a fucking asshole. When Obama wins, I hope the IRS and the Justice Dept. both come down hard on Mitt's ass for a few months so he pleas out a 'shut-the-fuck-up and stay off TV' agreement. I want that guy to go away faster than Palin.
The reason I want the Dems to point this out is that I think Mitt is in a zero sum game when it comes to adding voters now. If he wants to abandon the far right to posture more to the center, then the Dems need to point that out so it deflates some of his support from the far right. They are already suspicious of his credentials, if they start to see more proof that Mitt and the GOP establishment played them to derail Rick Santorum or Ron Paul, Mitt could lose votes not through conversion but apathy.
This sort of thing happened to Sarkozy in France, he attracted the far right to help him win, but in the end, they the far right sniffed him out as a too much of a centrist and they pulled the chair out from under him on election day.
So if Mitt wants to move to the center at the last minute, make sure the Paulbots and creationists and supremacists he's been courting all know..
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darthstar Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:59:10pm |
Here's a good ole fashioned chunk of right wing paranoia clipped from an email I got from my dad.
...Sheriff Margaret Mims wants to grant concealed carry permits to all who are qualified. Columnist Jim Boren, among the most bleeding of the bleeding heart liberals, says it's time for Fresno residents to arm themselves. LOAD up, you can bet this is happening in places other than Fresno ..David Rayburn
I was asked to send this to everyone in my address book. Some of those I'm sending it to WILL NOT forward it! To those I say, Get your head out of the sand and look around with an open mind or before you know it we will no longer be living in the land of the free and the brave!"We are under attack from ahidden enemy that is everywhere. They are a cancer that WILL attack us and KILL as many as they can to further the Islamic doctrine of Shiria law. They
Behead, cut off limbs, stone people to death and worse. Beware, there IS a holy war coming. The signs are everywhere if you care to look and listen.
What do we expect from Homeland Security not wanting to admit anything since they are being run by devout Muslims in charge of Homeland Security Posts.Well, boys and girls, today the fox is guarding the hen house. The wolves will be herding the sheep!
Obama appointed two devout Muslims to homeland security posts.
Obama and Janet Napolitano appointed Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development. DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim, who was born in Damascus, Syria, as...
THE WOLVES WILL BE HERDING THE SHEEP!
...yeah, we get to fuck those...not the wolves.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:02:18pm |
re: #124 darthstar
Here's a good ole fashioned chunk of right wing paranoia clipped from an email I got from my dad.
my dad's kookier than your dad.. nya nya nya...
ha.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:03:52pm |
re: #124 darthstar
Here's a good ole fashioned chunk of right wing paranoia clipped from an email I got from my dad.
...yeah, we get to fuck those...not the wolves.
Old-fashioned religious bigotry. I'm sorry your dad has fallen prey to that. Still, I know how hard you work to counter that mental toxin in him and for that you have my sincere commendation.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:07:44pm |
re: #125 Mich-again
my dad's kookier than your dad.. nya nya nya...
ha.
mine has had anti-Islam riffs but of a comparatively minor variety. Of course, he is protected by his dislike of TV news, which means he doesn't watch FNC (a fact for which i am profoundly grateful). Prior to this year I at times tried to get my dad to check out the cable newsnets, but since hearing about what FNC has done to other lizards' fathers i have stopped such attempts and am now just glad my efforts failed.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:09:43pm |
Obstinate Voodoo Child...
Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand
Well, I pick up all the pieces and make an island
Might even raise a little sand
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:14:27pm |
re: #127 Dark_Falcon
mine has had anti-Islam riffs but of a comparatively minor variety. Of course, he is protected by his dislike of TV news, which means he doesn't watch FNC (a fact for which i am profoundly grateful). Prior to this year I at times tried to get my dad to check out the cable newsnets, but since hearing about what FNC has done to other lizards' fathers i have stopped such attempts and am now just glad my efforts failed.
Me and pops have the same name and live in the same town and he likes to write kooky wingnut letters to the editor sometime and I never know if my kid's teachers or neighbors ever see those letters and think its me. ha. It would be a funny TV show, me and my dad yapping about politics over some banana bread.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:14:39pm |
re: #128 Mich-again
ObstinateVoodoo Child...[Embedded content]
Well, I stand up next to a mountain
And I chop it down with the edge of my hand
Well, I pick up all the pieces and make an island
Might even raise a little sand
Classic guitar riff to open that song. Truly a piece of American music history.
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Mich-again Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:16:30pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
Classic guitar riff to open that song. Truly a piece of American music history.
Not even Stevie Ray could improve that. boom.
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dragonath Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:42:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:48:21pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:57:58pm |
re: #132 dragonath
When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom. I eat, live, and breathe this company every minute of the day, every day of the week. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. I know many of you work hard and do a great job, but I'm the one who has to sign every check, pay every expense, and make sure that this company continues to succeed. Unfortunately, what most people see is the nice house and the lavish lifestyle. What the press certainly does not want you to see, is the true story of the hard work and sacrifices I've made.
his life is so much worse than that of mere employees that we should fell sorry for him
well, that story certainly makes for a powerful incentive to become successful
by the way, i suppose i never worked 80 hour weeks or over the weekend in all my years in silicon valley
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Lidane Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:01:14pm |
re: #132 dragonath
In other news, a lot of his employees just started to update their resumes to try and find a boss that isn't a raving lunatic.
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Only The Lurker Knows Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:11:13pm |
Night Lizards. Who Knows What Evil Lurks Within The Hearts Of Lizards?
The Lurker Knows. Cue Evil Laugh.
As always Lizards. May The Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.
Hey, It's October, There are other things that are scarier than the RR ticket out there, I Think
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:14:16pm |
A man returning to the United States from Japan via South Korea has been arrested at LAX for having a smoke bomb in his luggage...
What alerted agents to check his suitcase? It might have been the bullet-proof vest or the flame-retardant pants that he was wearing under his trench coat.
According to ICE, a search of his checked bag turned up the smoke grenade as well as "three leather-coated billy clubs, a collapsible baton, a full-face respirator, various knives, a hatchet, body bags, a biohazard suit, handcuffs, leg irons, and a device to repel dogs."
[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]
I DO NOT even want to know why he had all that stuff, but it sounds as though the police might want to keep their eye on this guy after he settles up the smoke bomb thing.
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AK-47% Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:40:42pm |
re: #135 engineer cat
When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have that freedom .
A lot of those people leave the office to go work their second (and third) jobs to get by
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AK-47% Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:50:11pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
The Vultee Vengeance (A 31) dive-bomber. Never widely built because its wing lift was so powerful that it was hard to fly level. For that it could dive nearly perendicularly.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 9, 2012 11:58:23pm |
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"Dancing With The Stars: All-Stars" elimination: Bristol rolls as two go home
Yup, tea partying America kept low scoring (of the previous night and the season) in while two former champs were bumped.
Watching the performances last night I find it surprising that Helio was sent packing, as he is a very natural dancer and overall it was a great performance up to the point of one mishap, and indeed the judges scored it highly even with the boo-boo.
But, ABC picked Bristol to be on this season for a reason. Now, I don't want to lay at Bristol's feet all the idiocies of her parents (though she seems to be embracing those things now that her rebellion (her pregnancy) is past), and she has come quite far (in regards to dancing and performing) since she began, but it is clear from watching the performances that she is just not in the same league as the others.
However, DWTS is not a dance competition but a popularity contest.
Bristol's mother has been at the show every week, and ABC makes sure to put shots of her on the screen, or position Tom Bergeron in front of her when they have him speaking.
Bristol is the "heel" (aka antagonist) of the show, since the judges have abandoned that role (none of them are very critical.) She also gets the mysterious packages, death threats, etc. So ABC gets a two-fer with Bristol - a heel, and a sympathetic character - and that is difficult to do in say a real drama written for TV.
Anyway, this is America.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 12:04:35am |
I can say without reservation that XCOM is probably one of the best video games I've played in a long time. Everything I loved about the old game, updated and in a bright new package.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 12:07:20am |
For our longhair entertainment of the evening, here is Gounod's "Messe solenelle a Sainte-Cecile", a large choral piece of which the "Sanctus" portion is sometimes pulled out and performed (or sold) alone (and I linked one such performance last night.) Scores high on the "pretty" scale:
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 12:09:02am |
BTW, the Spy(s) are still failing for me, and it's midnight so the traffic can't be that high, can it?
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 12:36:59am |
That Gounod piece is a fucking great Mass.
If "fucking great" is allowable as an adjective for a Mass, that is.
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researchok Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:54:47am |
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:22:30am |
A problem I have with so many TV (and some cinema too) dramas (light or heavy) is that the protagonists are written to be just too stupid.
Tonight I watched the first episode of "666 Park Avenue", and while it has its pluses as far as a "horror" genre TV show, the chief male protagonist is presented as particularly clueless for being a lawyer, and his live-in girlfriend (the main character) is presented very inconsistently.
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researchok Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:27:11am |
re: #148 freetoken
I hear that.
On the comedic (and not so comedic) side, it's kind of like the way so many TV dads are portrayed- bumbling, foolish, clueless, at the mercy of the kids/wife. etc.
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ozbloke Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:39:23am |
DNA dating study kills off Jurassic Park
Reconstructing dinosaurs from ancient DNA has been dealt a blow with a new study finding genetic material can only last 1 million years.
An international team of researchers reached the finding after analysing DNA extracted from bones of the extinct New Zealand moa.
They found that while short fragments of DNA could possibly survive up to 1 million years, sequences of 30 base pairs or more would only have a half-life of around 158,000 years under certain conditions.
Lead author Dr Morten Allentoft from Murdoch University's Ancient DNA lab in Perth says their results contradict earlier studies which claimed to have extracted DNA fragments several hundred base pairs long from dinosaur bones and preserved insects, claims which underpinned the storyline of the 1993 movie Jurassic Park.
"What we show here with the decay rate of DNA is that this is never going to be possible," Dr Allentoft said.
"It may be that you can have extremely short fragments of DNA, only a few base pairs that persist for maybe a million years, maybe even longer."
Dr Allentoft says the earlier findings may have been due to contamination with human DNA.
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ozbloke Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:22:07am |
re: #151 AK-47%
buzzkill
Yeah, sorry bout that.
I thought it was interesting at first, then a few minutes later I thought.
Bugger, what a shame.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:37:45am |
re: #152 ozbloke
Well, the real buzzkill is that any dinosaurs we might possibly be able to clone would have no resistance against the diseases and parasites that have evolved over the past 60 million years.
We have seen in the case of smallpox in human or rinderpest in cattle what can happen when popuations are suddenly exposed to viruses and bacteria after even a few thousand years.
Our Jurassic Park specimens would probably take one deep breath and keel over on the spot from some pathogen to which modern species have already developed an immunity.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:01:08am |
Someone's not listening:
Voters strongly favor government funding for PBS, poll finds
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:13:10am |
re: #132 dragonath
He sells freaking time shares, the biggest scam of the 20th century. The sales staff who work for him are scum sucking bottom feeders selling worthless goods of no value.
Who has ever bought or wanted a time share? That's what, a vacation condo that you share with a bunch of other random people?
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:30:08am |
Damn lazy ass hamsters, prolly union hamsters.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40:54am |
re: #156 Shropshire_Slasher
Honey Boo Boo haunts us still?
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:50:22am |
Hobbit coins to become legal tender in New Zealand
No rings, though.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:17:07am |
re: #156 Shropshire_Slasher
Damn lazy ass hamsters, prolly union hamsters.
Those are job creating hamsters who are already letting us know what will happen if Obama gets re-elected.
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Stephen T. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:27:51am |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
So for our other military history buffs: What's your favorite lesser-known WWII aircraft and why?
I have two. The First is the North American F-82 Twin Mustang. The second is the Grumman J2F Duck. I'm not really sure why, the just "look neat" is all I've ever come up with.
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A Mom Anon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:33:18am |
re: #141 freetoken
All those shows are popularity contests. It's high school only on a bigger scale. I'm not a fan,I'd rather watch nothing. (another test for me to see if I can post,or if the page will actually load without that little circle of doom spinning on the page)
edited to add: success!!!
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Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:05:13am |
Led Zeppelin reunion tour unlikely, says some old hairy dude, he looks strangely familiar...
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:09:18am |
re: #162 Shropshire_Slasher
Led Zeppelin reunion tour unlikely, says some old hairy dude, he looks strangely familiar...
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I was mere blocks away from that press conference. They were at MoMA, I was at Museum of Natural History. Shoulda convinced the wife to go look at art rather than dinosaurs. Can't win 'em all.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:21:50am |
Mornin' bipartisans.
Gov. #Romney says he "worked w/ #Democrats in Mass." Here's the thing: He broke state veto record w/ over 800; nearly all were overridden.— Abou Amara (@AbouAmara) October 10, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:29:14am |
re: #152 ozbloke
Yeah, sorry bout that.
I thought it was interesting at first, then a few minutes later I thought.
Bugger, what a shame.
Not really. It's only been 5,000 years since the dinosaurs.
//
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:35:08am |
re: #164 darthstar
Mornin' bipartisans.
Gov. #Romney says he "worked w/ #Democrats in Mass." Here's the thing: He broke state veto record w/ over 800; nearly all were overridden.
I was most impressed by the way he both defended and distanced himself from Romneycare in the debates: He pointed out that Romneycare was a "bipartisan effort", whereas Obamacare was "rammed down Congress' throat" without bipartisan support.
WTF?
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:37:25am |
re: #166 AK-47%
I was most impressed by the way he both defended and distanced himself from Romneycare in the debates: He pointed out that Romneycare was a "bipartisan effort", whereas Obamacare was "rammed down Congress' throat" without bipartisan support.
WTF?
Yeah, well it's easy to be "bipartisan" when you're the Republican and you're dealing with Democrats who want to get shit done.
Quite different when it's the other way around.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:38:46am |
re: #166 AK-47%
I was most impressed by the way he both defended and distanced himself from Romneycare in the debates:
WTF?
Speaking of which...
Today, the "Mitt Romney debates himself" video will surpass the most-watched Romney campaign video in total views. dailykos.com/story/2012/10/...— Jed Lewison (@jedlewison) October 10, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:42:45am |
Oh my god...Mitt Romney isn't so far off from me on most positions.
[Link: www.roboromney.com...]
Who knew?
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:44:12am |
re: #169 darthstar
Oh my god...Mitt Romney isn't so far off from me on most positions.
[Link: www.roboromney.com...]
Who knew?
He knows what you are going to think and agrees with you in advance, even...
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:44:51am |
re: #168 darthstar
Speaking of which...
[Embedded content]
The comments from that youtube video are going strong debating whether Jesus was a real historical figure.
Only in America* do people make their political decisions based on such theosophistic ramblings.
* Oh, and Iran.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:47:21am |
Fox had Dick Morris on to warn that the UN will impose taxes by treaty in Obama's second term: bit.ly/PnylqF— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 10, 2012
Dear Moron,
Treaties DON'T WORK THAT WAY. Neither does the American government.
Go back and watch a few Schoolhouse Rock songs and stop listening to David Barton.
No love,
Me
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:49:30am |
re: #171 iossarian
The comments from that youtube video are going strong debating whether Jesus was a real historical figure.
Only in America* do people make their political decisions based on such theosophistic ramblings.
* Oh, and Iran.
Heh...I've never followed Jed's videos to youtube to see the comments he gets. That place is just a vacuum of jesus freaks who post the same crap regardless of what the video is about. Post a video of your dog, and someone will write about end-times.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:50:10am |
re: #173 darthstar
Heh...I've never followed Jed's videos to youtube to see the comments he gets. That place is just a vacuum of jesus freaks who post the same crap regardless of what the video is about. Post a video of your dog, and someone will write about end-times.
Yes! They're going on about the end-times right now.
"Stay off those atheist websites if you want the TRUTH!"
"There was no fiat currency in Nero's time."
Classic.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:51:56am |
re: #175 Sionainn
Would someone please explain Spy Mode to me?
There's this hole in the wall between the boys' and girls' showers, and...
Oh, you mean in LGF?
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:53:24am |
re: #176 iossarian
There's this hole in the wall between the boys' and girls' showers, and...
Oh, you mean in LGF?
Smart ass.//
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:54:05am |
re: #177 Sionainn
Smart ass.//
Guilty as charged. I also can't tell you about the LGF spy mode, so I'm an unhelpful smartass to boot.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:01:52am |
Maybe Romney has a personal secretary who records everyone he meets and then, if anything should befall them, he can recall them fondly...
[Link: mynorthwest.com...]
According to Ellefsen, Romney introduced himself to Doherty four separate times during the gathering.
"He said it was very comical," Ellefsen said, "Mitt Romney approached him ultimately four times, using this private gathering as a political venture to further his image. He kept introducing himself as Mitt Romney, a political figure. The same introduction, the same opening line. Glen believed it to be very insincere and stale."
Ellefsen said Doherty remembered Romney as robotic.
"He said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen's face."
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:03:09am |
re: #175 Sionainn
Would someone please explain Spy Mode to me?
Spy mode has the comments streaming with most recent on top. Try it...it takes some getting used to, and if it's busy it can be a challenge to keep up.
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:03:33am |
No, I didn't kill the thread. Okay, I don't get this Spy Mode thing!
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:03:37am |
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:04:14am |
re: #182 darthstar
Spy mode has the comments streaming with most recent on top. Try it...it takes some getting used to, and if it's busy it can be a challenge to keep up.
Thanks. I have it on Spy Mode and it didn't post your comment. Weird.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:04:24am |
re: #180 darthstar
"Honestly it does make me sick. Glen would definitely not approve of it. He probably wouldn't do much about it. He probably wouldn't say a whole lot about it. I think Glen would feel, more than anything, almost embarrassed for Romney. I think he would feel pity for him."
Ouch.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:04:51am |
re: #132 dragonath
You know, I never bought into that old meme, that employers weren't hiring because they didn't like the Obama administration and were holding out until the Republicans got back into office.
I've always maintained that the desire to make money trumps everything else.
But when I read crap like this, I can't help but wonder.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:09:08am |
Panetta: US sends forces to Jordan in case of Syrian escalation
BRUSSELS — The United States has sent military troops to the Jordan-Syria border to help build a headquarters in Jordan and bolster that country’s military capabilities in the event that violence escalates along its border with Syria, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Wednesday.
Speaking at a NATO conference of defense ministers in Brussels, Panetta said the U.S. has been working with Jordan to monitor chemical and biological weapons sites in Syria and also to help Jordan deal with refugees pouring over the border from Syria.
But the revelation of U.S. military personnel so close to the 19-month-old Syrian conflict suggests an escalation in the U.S. military involvement in the conflict, even as Washington pushes back on any suggestion of a direct intervention in Syria.
It also follows several days of shelling between Turkey and Syria, an indication that the civil war could spill across Syria’s borders and become a regional conflict.
“We have a group of our forces there working to help build a headquarters there and to insure that we make the relationship between the United States and Jordan a strong one so that we can deal with all the possible consequences of what’s happening in Syria,” Panetta said.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:12:06am |
re: #187 Reverend Mother Ramallo
You know, I never bought into that old meme, that employers weren't hiring because they didn't like the Obama administration and were holding out until the Republicans got back into office.
I've always maintained that the desire to make money trumps everything else.
But when I read crap like this, I can't help but wonder.
This guy is such a freaking asshat, who would want to work for him? He sells timeshares. Freaking TIMESHARES! How sleazy do you have to be to participate in this scam? It's worse than selling used cars.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:15:55am |
re: #189 Sheila Broflovski
This guy is such a freaking asshat, who would want to work for him? He sells timeshares. Freaking TIMESHARES! How sleazy do you have to be to participate in this scam? It's worse than selling used cars.
Absolutely.
I can't think of a better term than asshat.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:21:56am |
Dear Journalists: Shouldn't it be news that Romney's campaign keeps saying he does not agree with statements he just made in public?— rootless (@root_e) October 10, 2012
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:22:46am |
Morning Lizards. Any word on the next attempt by Baumgartner to break the free fall altitude record?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:23:57am |
re: #164 darthstar
Mornin' bipartisans.
That qualifies as "working with". He was vetoing in order to create "jobs" (additional work) for the legislature.
///
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:26:11am |
re: #184 darthstar
It's not dead. It's just resting.
It's pining for the fjords, and a bit of lutefisk with a nice white sauce.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:27:25am |
Scott DesJarlais, Pro-Life Republican Congressman And Doctor, Pressured Mistress Patient To Get Abortion huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012...— Ed Schultz (@edshow) October 10, 2012
Sheesh...just read it.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:31:54am |
re: #195 darthstar
[Embedded content]
Sheesh...just read it.
God will forgive him, but his mistress will go to hell.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:33:55am |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:36:40am |
Freaking asshole thinks wind turbines ruining the view from "his" golf course.
Dumbass, get your stupid golf course out of the way of the wind turbines.
How can British PM Cameron spend so much money on Scottish windmills which are ruining the countryside?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:38:09am |
just here for a short while. Had an immposible time logging -on the last two days.
How is everyone?, I've missed it here.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:38:56am |
re: #195 darthstar
[Embedded content]
Sheesh...just read it.
So it's ok for him and his party to try to dictate the medical decisions of private citizens, but pointing out the fact that he, a public figure, is an unabashed hypocrite is a personal attack...
Got a set of brass ones, that one does.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:39:16am |
re: #196 AK-47%
God will forgive him, but his mistress will go to hell.
Like some of the more fundamental of "other" religions the Whacko Chrisitans are still totally fearful of - - -it seems men can't be expected to control themselves.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:39:59am |
re: #187 Reverend Mother Ramallo
You know, I never bought into that old meme, that employers weren't hiring because they didn't like the Obama administration and were holding out until the Republicans got back into office.
I've always maintained that the desire to make money trumps everything else.
But when I read crap like this, I can't help but wonder.
can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E ?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:40:45am |
re: #182 darthstar
Spy mode has the comments streaming with most recent on top. Try it...it takes some getting used to, and if it's busy it can be a challenge to keep up.
I can't keep up with Spy Mode. I quit trying.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:43:12am |
Very dangerous times in Paris. Thankfully they busted these guys before they attacked.
French Police Find Explosives While Investigating Islamist Suspects
PARIS (Reuters) - French authorities said on Wednesday they had rooted out an "extremely dangerous terror network" after uncovering weapons and bomb-making materials in their investigation of suspected radical Islamists detained at the weekend.
Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said a dozen people arrested on Saturday would be held for a further 24 hours after chemicals used to make explosives were found at a garage in the Paris suburbs belonging to one of them.
The raids were triggered by a grenade attack on a kosher grocery store outside Paris last month, and have further unsettled Europe's largest Jewish community, which was shaken when an al Qaeda-inspired gunman shot dead three Jewish children and a rabbi in Toulouse in March.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:43:16am |
re: #202 ggt
can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E ?
Yep.
And I'll add that he's cutting off his nose to spite his face.
I could never understand how employers justify mistreating the very people who work so hard to make them wealthy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:46:08am |
re: #205 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Yep.
And I'll add that he's cutting off his nose to spite his face.
I could never understand how employers justify mistreating the very people who work so hard to make them wealthy.
Probably thinks a good amount of his employees are cowered enough to do whatever he says. Feudal Overlord thinking --he really needs to be vigilent, his Feline Overlord may take offense.
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blueraven Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:46:26am |
re: #180 darthstar
Maybe Romney has a personal secretary who records everyone he meets and then, if anything should befall them, he can recall them fondly...
[Link: mynorthwest.com...]
Oh brother. And the really sad part is Mitt made it all about himself
"You can imagine how I felt"
Yes, that is the important thing, how bad Mitt felt. gag
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:47:15am |
Pam has a real howler posted this morning. check out her thread "Obama's ring: 'There is no god but Allah'".
lol
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:48:07am |
re: #206 ggt
Probably thinks a good amount of his employees are cowered enough to do whatever he says. Feudal Overlord thinking --he really needs to be vigilent, his Feline Overlord may take offense.
I don't mean this in jest.
While I often joke about FO, there are those who truly believe in a sky god. They seem to also be the ones who try to usurp his power. They really need to watch-out for their sky god's wrath.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:50:15am |
re: #208 Killgore Trout
Pam has a real howler posted this morning. check out her thread "Obama's ring: 'There is no god but Allah'".
lol
Since Allah is just another name for the G-d of Abraham, it seems, in the Judeo-Christian realm, he would be correct.
Unless, of course, Pam is one of those who thinks the G-d of Abraham takes offense if the wrong name is used.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:50:23am |
Police investigate whether terror suspect is NHS doctor
Police are looking into whether the male worked as a doctor for the NHS.
The pair had returned from Syria via Egypt and are suspected of being involved with a jihadi group in the war torn country.
It is understood one line of inquiry for the police is whether they were part of a group that held veteran war photographer John Cantlie and Dutch colleague Jeroen Oerlemans for a week in July.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:50:32am |
re: #187 Reverend Mother Ramallo
You know, I never bought into that old meme, that employers weren't hiring because they didn't like the Obama administration and were holding out until the Republicans got back into office.
I've always maintained that the desire to make money trumps everything else.
But when I read crap like this, I can't help but wonder.
I've often wondered if there's money to be made in guillotine manufacturing. It would be a little uncomfortable trying to get capitalized, though.
"So, why do you want to build guillotines?"
"Oh, umm... Just 'because', I guess."
"Do you think there's a market for them?"
"Well, I think it's, umm, a high-potential niche market."
"And who do you think the target audience will be?"
"Uh... 'historical re-enactors'. Sorta."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:50:40am |
I'm outta here.
Have a Brat Puppy play date to get to.
Have a great morning all!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:51:12am |
Have you seen this video yet?! youtu.be/sJeVRFWzdkIMBB— William Shatner (@WilliamShatner) October 9, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:51:33am |
re: #212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I've often wondered if there's money to be made in guillotine manufacturing. It would be a little uncomfortable trying to get capitalized, though.
"So, why do you want to build guillotines?"
"Oh, umm... Just 'because', I guess."
"Do you think there's a market for them?"
"Well, I think it's, umm, a high-potential niche market."
"And who do you think the target audience will be?"
"Uh... 'historical re-enactors'. Sorta."
It's supposed to be the most humane execution device ever invented.
Hella messy, but humane.//
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:52:12am |
re: #210 ggt
Since Allah is just another name for the G-d of Abraham, it seems, in the Judeo-Christian realm, he would be correct.
Unless, of course, Pam is one of those who thinks the G-d of Abraham takes offense if the wrong name is used.
I'm pretty sure she's imagining things. The pattern on his ring looks like a decorative celtic style rope pattern. To Pam those squiggly lines look like Arabic.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:52:55am |
re: #198 Sheila Broflovski
Freaking asshole thinks wind turbines ruining the view from "his" golf course.
Dumbass, get your stupid golf course out of the way of the wind turbines.
How can British PM Cameron spend so much money on Scottish windmills which are ruining the countryside?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 10, 2012
I know Donald. We should stick with petroleum and coal. They will only ruin the water, air, soil, etc. And who the fuck needs water and air.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:53:38am |
re: #217 Eventual Carrion
I know Donald. We should stick with petroleum and coal. They will only ruin the water, air, soil, etc. And who the fuck needs water and air.
Except they are running out of petroleum, the North Sea reserves are in decline and growing more expensive to recover...
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:58:03am |
Whew. I get a little funky sometimes. Anywho, this was a little popular. :)
Tune in tomorrow to find out who Mitt Romney is.— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:58:03am |
What did this guy expect would happen when bringing stuff like this to the airport?
Found in suitcase at LAX: Smoke grenade, billy clubs, hatchet, body bags, leg irons ...
A Massachusetts man has been charged with illegally transporting a smoke grenade in his checked suitcase while returning from a trip to Japan.
Agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Yongda Huang Harris, 28, a naturalized U.S. citizen of Chinese descent, Friday in Los Angeles. He was flying from Japan, through South Korea and then Los Angeles, on his way to Boston.
What alerted agents to check his suitcase? It might have been the bullet-proof vest or the flame-retardant pants that he was wearing under his trench coat.
According to ICE, a search of his checked bag turned up the smoke grenade as well as "three leather-coated billy clubs, a collapsible baton, a full-face respirator, various knives, a hatchet, body bags, a biohazard suit, handcuffs, leg irons, and a device to repel dogs."
But he did make it pretty far before getting caught.
...Court documents say his trip originated in Kansai, Japan, stopped over in Inchon, Korea, and then in Los Angeles on his way to Boston. A federal official says the Japan to Korea flight was not on a U.S. carrier.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 7:59:18am |
Damn...RIP Alex...
Alex Karras, NFL lineman who went on to star in "Webster" and famously punched a horse in "Blazing Saddles," has died: apne.ws/RwvYhx— The Associated Press (@AP) October 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:01:43am |
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:05:24am |
re: #226 Gus
Mongo sad.
No need to be...I'd like to think that he'd just joined up with the Blazing Saddles cast members who went before him (Little, Korman, Kahn, Pickens, etc.) and they're all having a fine old time.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:06:00am |
re: #228 MittDoesNotCompute
Still pawn in game of life though....
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:06:08am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
I'm pretty sure she's imagining things. The pattern on his ring looks like a decorative celtic style rope pattern. To Pam those squiggly lines look like Arabic.
So Sharia Law has already taken over Ireland. That means the whiskey is contaminated!
:p ///
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:08:00am |
re: #230 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
So Sharia Law has already taken over Ireland. That means the whiskey is contaminated!
:p ///
So I guess that means someone has to drin....err, dispose of it all, right?
/
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:08:24am |
The Fact Checkers not impressed with Obama's Big Bird strategy.
WaPo: Does Mitt Romney want to ‘kill’ Big Bird?
The Pinocchio Test
How did “I love Big Bird” turn into “kill Big Bird”? Only through a spin machine going on hyper drive.
Romney may have been off base in suggesting PBS funding has much to do with the deficit, but that’s no excuse for the Obama campaign to declare that means the demise of a popular children’s character. According to the financials of Sesame Workshop, Big Bird should do just fine, with or without public funding.
Four Pinocchios
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:09:07am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
The Fact Checkers not impressed with Obama's Big Bird strategy.
WaPo: Does Mitt Romney want to ‘kill’ Big Bird?
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:11:10am |
Stupid -->
Romney may have been off base in suggesting PBS funding has much to do with the deficit, but that’s no excuse for the Obama campaign to declare that means the demise of a popular children’s character.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:11:12am |
Didn't Mitt Romney say something about not caring about the fact checkers?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:12:36am |
re: #235 Lidane
Didn't Mitt Romney say something about not caring about the fact checkers?
The fact checkers are alternately hated and loved by both sides depending on who's being checked.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:14:36am |
Massive butthurt in the comments to the WaPo Big Bird article. lol
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:14:41am |
re: #236 Killgore Trout
The fact checkers are alternately hated and loved by both sides depending on who's being checked.
That's not fact checking; that's an opinion piece mixed in with some facts. And another thing. If saying one would fire Big Bird would help cut the deficit why isn't Mitt Romney called out on that as being bullshit in the first place?
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:15:55am |
re: #237 Killgore Trout
Massive butthurt in the comments to the WaPo Big Bird article. lol
Early morning trolling is a sure sign of you going psycho stalkerish.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:16:58am |
Moonbat news of the day...
Activist: Pro-Palestinian boat en route to Gaza
An activist says a boat of pro-Palestinian advocates from eight countries is en route to Gaza in the latest attempt to break Israel's naval blockade.
Dror Feiler, an Israeli activist on board, says the boat left Naples on Sunday and aims to reach Gaza in mid-October. He said Monday the boat is carrying items such as cement, basketballs, musical instruments and theater lighting equipment.
Hamas greeted the news with fireworks...
The Israel Air Force activity followed the firing of over 40 rockets at Israel this week
Israeli Air Force (IAF) aircraft targeted a terror tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip overnight. Direct hits were confirmed.
The targeting is in response to over 40 rockets that were fired at Israel this week, with seven of them fired in the past 24 hours.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:17:55am |
The point of the Obama ad was more to highlight that Romney is very, very cozy with a lot of the people who helped wreck the economy, and wants to deflect attention from it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:21:43am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
Moonbat news of the day...
Activist: Pro-Palestinian boat en route to Gaza
Hamas greeted the news with fireworks...
The Israel Air Force activity followed the firing of over 40 rockets at Israel this week
With the tunnels closing down they're going to deplete their stockpile of rockets soon. Hopefully they won't hit anything.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:24:25am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
The Fact Checkers not impressed with Obama's Big Bird strategy.
WaPo: Does Mitt Romney want to ‘kill’ Big Bird?
And I'm not impressed by the fact checkers.
Obsess much?
Seriously.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:25:38am |
re: #238 Gus
That's not fact checking; that's an opinion piece mixed in with some facts. And another thing. If saying one would fire Big Bird would help cut the deficit why isn't Mitt Romney called out on that as being bullshit in the first place?
One thing that KT and the Mitt Defenders are missing on this whole Big Bird brouhaha is that if PBS went away tomorrow, Sesame Street would indeed survive, even in syndication or on one of the commercial kids' channels, simply because it's been on the air for over 40 years and has significant mindshare worldwide. It's the other shows that run on PBS stations that aren't as well-known or well-established that would likely get the ax; not only that, the stations themselves across the nation would have to find a way to get the money formerly disbursed by the feds (about $500,000,000 a year, IIRC), go commercial, or go dark.
I'll give you that the "Mitt wants to fire Big Bird" meme, strictly speaking, is political grandstanding by the Obama campaign, but when one takes a gander at the comments that Mitt himself made about PBS during the first debate, it's nothing but bad news for public television.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:28:42am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:30:01am |
re: #158 freetoken
Hobbit coins to become legal tender in New Zealand
No rings, though.
Who cares?!1 The coins are made of Gold, GOLD!!1 Smart people will buy them in order survive the collapse of fiat money!!1
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:31:39am |
Looks like the 47% is pretty frickin talented. Activist Video Stand up for #Obama #p2youtube.com/watch?feature=...— I-AM* (@politaire) October 10, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:32:55am |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:34:15am |
re: #248 MittDoesNotCompute
Blazing Saddles, Webster...and don't forget about Porky's.
Heh...I never realized he was the Sheriff in Porky's.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:35:04am |
re: #249 darthstar
Yes, indeed...he was one of the few actors in the first movie with any name recognition at the time. Hell, Kim Cattrall was in it (rawrrrr!!!) in one of her first roles, but she didn't really break out until later.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:36:27am |
re: #243 Reverend Mother Ramallo
And I'm not impressed by the fact checkers.
Obsess much?
Seriously.
You know, I get that you think Big Bird is being used to deflect attention away from a bad debate.
But here's the question: Who wouldn't?
The fact remains, however, that Mitt Romney's lying ass used Big Bird as a set of shiny keys to distract from the fact that his economic policies, at least the ones we know about, are detrimental to the middle class.
Not only that, but he was serving up PBS as red meat to his base.
(This is the last time I am going to bang my head on that wall. I'm not insane...yet.)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:36:47am |
re: #246 Dark_Falcon
Will the coins be blank-faced unless they are heated up in a fire in order to make the struck lettering appear?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:38:19am |
Big Bird's political clout is hot right now, but it turns out he ran for president in 1976 [PHOTO] | bit.ly/TgvVoZ— UPI Debates (@UPIDebates) October 10, 2012
Heh. He probably would have been much better than Carter.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:40:59am |
Do right-wingers charge Carter for the space he rents in their heads?
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:41:47am |
I think it's hilarious that the political take-away from the 1970s is Jimmy Carter memes that never end while one of the most criminal and corrupt administrations and president, Richard M. Nixon, gets a free pass.
No one ever went to prison in the Carter administration.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:42:01am |
re: #243 Reverend Mother Ramallo
And I'm not impressed by the fact checkers.
Obsess much?
Seriously.
Big bird has almost reached "rapey stabby" status. I keep hoping he'll come back down to earth after his real candidate, Mittens, loses but that just may make for one final real flounce.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:43:42am |
re: #204 NJDhockeyfan
Very dangerous times in Paris. Thankfully they busted these guys before they attacked.
French Police Find Explosives While Investigating Islamist Suspects
France had best get itself ready: It's large Muslim population living in ghettos is almost tailor-made for radicalization. France will need both anti-terrorist and economic planning to get through this problem.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:44:11am |
re: #239 Gus
Early morning trolling is a sure sign of you going psycho stalkerish.
There's a PhD thesis in there. Unfortunately, it would require studying stalkers.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:47:13am |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
The Fact Checkers not impressed with Obama's Big Bird strategy.
WaPo: Does Mitt Romney want to ‘kill’ Big Bird?
Just so. Mitt said he would be willing to fire Big Bird, but in the sense of terminating government funding, not in terms of killing the character. But the statement got distorted while bouncing around in the left echo-chamber.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:47:34am |
re: #255 Gus
I think it's hilarious that the political take-away from the 1970s is Jimmy Carter memes that never end while one of the most criminal and corrupt administrations and president, Richard M. Nixon, gets a free pass.
No one ever went to prison in the Carter administration.
No one? What about these guys?
1977–1981 James E. Carter Administration
Executive Branch
Debategate: briefing book of President Jimmy Carter stolen and given to Ronald Reagan before U.S. presidential election, 1980[227]
Bert Lance (D), Director of OMB, resigned amidst allegations of misuse of funds during the sale of a Georgia bank to BCCI. No charges were ever filed.(1977)[228]
Legislative branch
Daniel J. Flood (D-PA) During the 96th United States Congress, Flood was censured for bribery. The allegations led to his resignation on January 31, 1980.(1980)[229]
Fred Richmond (D-NY) – Convicted of tax fraud and possession of marijuana. Served 9 months in prison. Charges of soliciting sex from a 16-year-old boy were dropped after he submitted to counseling. (1978)[230]
Charles Diggs (D-MI), convicted on 29 charges of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms which formed a kickback scheme with his staff. Sentenced to 3 years (1978)[231]
Herman Talmadge Senator (D-GA), On October 11, 1979 Talmadge was denounced by the Senate for "improper financial conduct." He failed to be re-elected. (1979)[232]
Michael Myers (D-PA) Received suspended six-month jail term after pleading no contest to disorderly conduct charged stemming from an incident at a Virginia bar in which he allegedly attacked a hotel security guard and a cashier.[233]
Charles H. Wilson (D-CA) censured after he converted $25,000 in campaign funds to his own use and accepted $10,500 from a man with a direct interest in legislation before Congress. This was a later non-Park incident.[234]
John Connally (R-TX), Milk Money scandal. Accused of accepting a $10K bribe. He was acquitted. (1975)[235]
Richard Tonry (D-LA) pleaded guilty to receiving illegal campaign contributions.[236]
Koreagate scandal involving alleged bribery of more than 30 members of Congress by the South Korean government represented by Tongsun Park. Several other Koreans and Congressmen were allegedly involved, but not charged or reprimanded.[237] The most notable are:
Richard T. Hanna (D-CA) pleaded guilty[238] and sentenced to 6–30 months in federal prison.[239] Wound up serving a year in prison.[240]
Otto E. Passman (D-LA) was accused of bribery and other charges,[241] but found innocent.[242]
John J. McFall, Edward Roybal, and Charles H. Wilson, all (D-CA). Roybal was censured and Wilson was reprimanded,[243] while McFall was reprimanded,[244]
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:48:25am |
Obama's debate performance. How Twitter has done us wrong...
FTA:
Not surprisingly, like many people who gravitate toward long-form writing, Obama’s strengths don’t translate very well to the world of debate, or at least the kind of debate that our new journalistic culture of instantaneous opinion values so highly. For one thing, when he speaks extemporaneously, he pauses frequently and often says “uh.” That sound drove journalists nuts during the debate last week; but where many of my colleagues heard lack of preparation, I heard the tic of a writer wanting to self-edit, trying to buy himself the time to carefully measure his words.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:50:00am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
No one? What about these guys?
Exactly one member of the administration who resigned, with no charges filed. The rest are members of Congress.
Nice try.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:50:15am |
re: #243 Reverend Mother Ramallo
And I'm not impressed by the fact checkers.
Obsess much?
Seriously.
Sorry, but if it on an Obama campaign site then Obama owns any Pinocchios the WaPo sees fit to issue.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:51:44am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
No one? What about these guys?
Uh. Those are federal scandals during the Carter administration time line.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:52:26am |
re: #264 Gus
Uh. Those are federal scandals during the Carter administration time line.
Yup. I stand corrected.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:52:46am |
WHOEVER BROUGHT UP BIG BIRD ANYWAY?— Mexican Mitt Romneez (@MexicanMitt) October 10, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:52:58am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
You do realize that within the executive branch even Lance wasn't convicted, let alone charged.
The legislative branch was, is, and continues to be a cesspool of corruption and criminality. That in no way reflects upon any given Administration.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:53:25am |
re: #259 Dark_Falcon
Just so. Mitt said he would be willing to fire Big Bird, but in the sense of terminating government funding, not in terms of killing the character. But the statement got distorted while bouncing around in the left echo-chamber.
I think the big bird thing is a misstep on many different levels. It was a mistake.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:53:44am |
DARVO aka "turnspeak"
It's easy to win a debate against Obama. Just use 'facts' and Obama will be unable to rebut them.— Kevin Eder (@keder) October 10, 2012
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:54:58am |
Hot Air (yes, outrageous) has video of Chris Mathews panning the Big Bird ad. It's a loser.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:55:03am |
re: #261 Reverend Mother Ramallo
There are ways to confront that in debate/argument/public speaking. You have to work on it to eliminate verbal tics that can be distracting.
However, some of the better public speakers out there still have verbal tics - such as repeating words or inserting ums, uhs, like, if, etc.
Public speaking, like other things, is something you have to work at to perfect, especially when engaging in extemporaneous speaking.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:55:56am |
re: #263 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, but if it on an Obama campaign site then Obama owns any Pinocchios the WaPo sees fit to issue.
I'm really not being partisan on this one.
What I'm saying is, that I form my own opinions, and I'll check the facts myself. "I don't have to depend on fact checkers" to tell me what to think.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:56:09am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
Not really. Big Bird is well known and makes it easy to point out just how small of a slice of the federal pie PBS and NPR and other librul indoctrination centers get from the government.
Using Big Bird is a way to point out Mitt's bullshit hypocrisy at wanting to cut PBS and "fire" the Muppets while he throws even more money at defense while cutting taxes and cutting revenue.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:56:29am |
re: #268 Killgore Trout
I think the big bird thing is a misstep on many different levels. It was a mistake.
The Dems decided to turn up the wattage of their attack on Romney over his Big Bird comment to 'ELEVENTY!!1' and the Washington Post just called "bullshit!" on them.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:56:49am |
re: #270 Killgore Trout
Hot Air (yes, outrageous) has video of Chris Mathews panning the Big Bird ad. It's a loser.
Why not get back to the real issue here and that is that Republicans want to destroy PBS and NPR. The only one that keep yapping about Big Bird this morning seems to be you.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:57:04am |
re: #270 Killgore Trout
Hot Air (yes, outrageous) has video of Chris Mathews panning the Big Bird ad. It's a loser.
The Daily Caller has MSNBC's Morning Joe not happy about the ad.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:58:26am |
Letting people vote is HARD! Eleventy!
Ohio Asks Supreme Court to Curb Early Weekend Voting owl.li/emWkO— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) October 10, 2012
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:58:44am |
re: #275 Gus
Why not get back to the real issue here and that is that Republicans want to destroy PBS and NPR. The only one that keep yapping about Big Bird this morning seems to be you.
And that the bigger lie Romney told was bringing up PBS while talking about the deficit. PBS doesn't have anything to do with the deficit.
But that would be too basic a fact for a factchecker to factcheck.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:59:06am |
re: #276 NJDhockeyfan
Because The Daily Caller is a trusted source. ROFL.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 8:59:54am |
re: #279 Lidane
Because The Daily Caller is a trusted source. ROFL.
It's not even a "source." It's mostly opinion.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:00:08am |
re: #273 Lidane
Not really. Big Bird is well known and makes it easy to point out just how small of a slice of the federal pie PBS and NPR and other librul indoctrination centers get from the government.
Using Big Bird is a way to point out Mitt's bullshit hypocrisy at wanting to cut PBS and "fire" the Muppets while he throws even more money at defense while cutting taxes and cutting revenue.
And as we've seen before with wingnuts, that's a point that could have been made sanely and calmly, as you are now doing. But that's not what the Dems did: They decided jam their finger down on the "ELEVENTY!!1" button, which is also the "Credibility Burn" button.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:00:42am |
'Nonpartisan' Religious Right Leaders Demand that Christians Vote for Romney bit.ly/ReR4Ua— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 10, 2012
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:01:09am |
re: #281 Dark_Falcon
Again: One out of the forty ads put out has big bird in it. How is that eleventy?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:01:41am |
re: #279 Lidane
Because The Daily Caller is a trusted source. ROFL.
It's a video from this morning's Morning Joe. Do you not trust MSNBC?
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:02:06am |
re: #283 Obdicut
Again: One out of the forty ads put out has big bird in it. How is that eleventy?
Because shut up, that's how.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:02:56am |
re: #284 NJDhockeyfan
So I'm supposed to care that Joe Scarborough had a problem with an ad? Last I checked he also facepalmed at Mitt Romney's incompetence in front of a crowd.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:03:59am |
re: #276 NJDhockeyfan
The Daily Caller has MSNBC's Morning Joe not happy about the ad.
Man, and I suppose if I gave a flying fuck what anyone else thought it might matter. But I guess I'm one of those outliers that just doesn't give a fuck what some talking head on the tube thinks about anything, I have this bad habit of thinking for myself. If my and their thoughts happen to mesh, fine and dandy. If not, I couldn't give two shits.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:05:00am |
re: #286 Lidane
So I'm supposed to care that Joe Scarborough had a problem with an ad? Last I checked he also facepalmed at Mitt Romney's incompetence in front of a crowd.
"Get it off the air immediately. It shows such weakness. It really, really does."
~Donny Deutsch
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:05:38am |
re: #288 Eventual Carrion
Man, and I suppose if I gave a flying fuck what anyone else thought it might matter. But I guess I'm one of those outliers that just doesn't give a fuck what some talking head on the tube thinks about anything, I have this bad habit of thinking for myself. If my and their thoughts happen to mesh, fine and dandy. If not, I couldn't give two shits.
If you're an outlier, then so am I.
The only difference is that you probably type faster.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:06:21am |
re: #289 NJDhockeyfan
So? It's an OPINION. How does that affect anything?
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:07:37am |
I can't keep track of Mitt Romney's position on anything. Which is the point, but proves to me that he has a serious issue with charecter— just julie (@vintagegoddess) October 10, 2012
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:08:31am |
re: #270 Killgore Trout
I see you're doing well. Want me to put out a contract "hit" on Ojoe? His one comment has kept you from a rare sweep!!
//
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:08:41am |
re: #288 Eventual Carrion
Man, and I suppose if I gave a flying fuck what anyone else thought it might matter. But I guess I'm one of those outliers that just doesn't give a fuck what some talking head on the tube thinks about anything, I have this bad habit of thinking for myself. If my and their thoughts happen to mesh, fine and dandy. If not, I couldn't give two shits.
That would be a good strategy if you were the only person deciding the election.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:08:42am |
The point of the Big Bird ad was not so much Big Bird, but rather the fact that Romney is very cozy with the people who helped wreck our economy.
And if we elect him, these people will be given full rein to do it again.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:09:53am |
re: #293 sattv4u2
I see you're doing well. Want me to put out a contract "hit" on Ojoe? His one comment has kept you from a rare sweep!!
//
Lol. Let it be. I have enough clean sweeps under my belt.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:10:44am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:10:48am |
re: #296 Gus
Troll city here this morning.
Just keep using those snappy comebacks of yours. How did it go again? Oh yeah ,,
Blah, blah, blah, blah.That'll kill em!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:11:04am |
re: #297 Killgore Trout
Lol. Let it be. I have enough clean sweeps under my belt.
Ojoe lives another day!!
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:11:10am |
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:11:13am |
If people are upset at dishonesty, then they're going to be a lot more upset at the dishonesty of Romney's comments than the figurative dishonesty of saying that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.
The kind of person who would get turned off or annoyed by the Big Bird ad but not far, far, far, far more by Romney is someone who obviously has another agenda.
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alpuz Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:11:30am |
Who is Donny Deutsch? From wiki:
He is the former host of the CNBC talk show The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch (2004–2008). The television audience first became familiar with him on February 11, 2005, when he appeared as a contestant on NBC's reality-television series The Apprentice hosted by Donald Trump.[2]
BFD. Why is he on Morning Joe? Why should I care about what he thinks.. about anything?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:11:47am |
re: #289 NJDhockeyfan
"Get it off the air immediately. It shows such weakness. It really, really does."
~Donny Deutsch
Also I think the fact that Sesame Street wants the ad taken down should be the deciding factor. I don't think it an effective ad and the fall out is only going to get worse if Sesame Street keeps complaining.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:15:14am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Also I think the fact that Sesame Street wants the ad taken down should be the deciding factor. I don't think it an effective ad and the fall out is only going to get worse if Sesame Street keeps complaining.
Sesame Street wants to appear neutral in this issue, I can understand their point of view. Their statement makes that clear.
But it is fair game, as if GM would ask them not to mention Romney stating that he though that it should fail.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:15:31am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Also I think the fact that Sesame Street wants the ad taken down should be the deciding factor. I don't think it an effective ad and the fall out is only going to get worse if Sesame Street keeps complaining.
Here's their one and only statement:
Sesame Workshop is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization and we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and, as is our general practice, have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials.
See Also:
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Emphasis added. They don't really care, they issued a pro forma statement.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:16:44am |
Obama attended Martha Raddatz' wedding! Holy crap! How can we expect her to be fair with a man who attended her nuptials?
oh it was over 20 years ago why the hell am I supposed to care about this?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:16:47am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Also I think the fact that Sesame Street wants the ad taken down should be the deciding factor. I don't think it an effective ad and the fall out is only going to get worse if Sesame Street keeps complaining.
The Obama supporters who are going to vote for him anyway are loving that ad, the Romney supports who are going to vote for him see it as a stupid ad. The folks who the WH may be targeting with that ad are the Independents who haven't made up their mind yet. I don't think this ad is helping them make a decision at all.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:17:11am |
re: #306 wrenchwench
They don't really care, they issued a pro forma statement.
"pro forma" or not, they really DO care, or else they wouldn't "have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials."
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:18:20am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
They don't really care, they issued a pro forma statement.
"pro forma" or not, they really DO care, or else they wouldn't "have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials."
OK, they care exactly enough to issue a pro forma statement.
Not much.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:19:06am |
once again, peole are obsessing over big bird when the point of the ad was something different entirely: Romney wants to finance billion-dollar tax cuts for greedy bastards by cutting relatively insignificant programs that benefit a lot of people.
That is called nuance, and it is a dying art these days.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:19:19am |
Wingnut tweeps chirping about some O'Keefe "bombshell"
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:19:31am |
re: #304 Killgore Trout
Also I think the fact that Sesame Street wants the ad taken down should be the deciding factor. I don't think it an effective ad and the fall out is only going to get worse if Sesame Street keeps complaining.
I can hear the independents now:
"Sure, Romney won't actually state any of economic positions, flip flops weekly on things like abortion access, lied his ass off during the debates, and leads the political party that trashed the economy in '08
"But I'm choosing him over Obama because of that Big Bird ad."
You know, now that I'm reading it back, maybe it's not as snarky as I think. There's plenty of American voters who are stupid enough to think like that.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:19:52am |
Sandusky sentenced: "This is the worst loss of my life" huff.to/VKbIy0— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) October 10, 2012
Because the kids he molested didn't lose anything.
Fuck this guy. And fuck Penn State for looking the other way while he abused kids. They shouldn't have a football program right now.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:20:33am |
re: #312 Sheila Broflovski
Wingnut tweeps chirping about some O'Keefe "bombshell"
You're like the canary in the twittermine.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:20:58am |
re: #314 Lidane
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Because the kids he molested didn't lose anything.
Fuck this guy. And fuck Penn State for looking the other way while he abused kids. They shouldn't have a football program right now.
Don't punish the football players or fans, just the folks who allowed Sandusky to prey and molest for so long
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:22:43am |
Well now I have to cancel my vacation plans...crap.
Visit Detroit at your own risk, police union warns
The Detroit Police Officers Association is warning citizens and out-of-towners that they enter Detroit at their own risk, saying that the "grossly understaffed" and overworked police force cannot adequately protect the public in the increasingly violent city.
“Detroit is America’s most violent city, its homicide rate is the highest in the country and yet the Detroit Police Department is grossly understaffed,” DPOA Attorney Donato Iorio told WWJ over the weekend. “The DPOA believes that there is a war in Detroit, but there should be a war on crime, not a war on its officers.”
So sad to see a big city deteriorating like that.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:23:10am |
re: #311 AK-47%
once again, peole are obsessing over big bird when the point of the ad was something different entirely: Romney wants to finance billion-dollar tax cuts for greedy bastards by cutting relatively insignificant programs that benefit a lot of people.
That is called nuance, and it is a dying art these days.
But the fact checkers! Romney doesn't really want to fire Big Bird!
Seriously. Folks are so hung up on Big Bird that they miss the larger point being made by the Obama campaign. Mitt Romney is a liar and a hypocrite who wants to cut insignificant government funding that actually does a public service and provides a public good while he turns around and throws money at defense and other larger programs like it's going out of style.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:23:51am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
Moonbat news of the day...
Activist: Pro-Palestinian boat en route to Gaza
Hamas greeted the news with fireworks...
The Israel Air Force activity followed the firing of over 40 rockets at Israel this week
Just read the cargo of the ship. Bunch of crazy moonbats who won't succeed and want to make Israel look like a ogre to the gullible.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:24:38am |
re: #260 NJDhockeyfan
No one? What about these guys?
John Connally? You're citing a guy who later ran against Carter as proof that the Carter administration was corrupt? All you did was copy a list from wiki of federal political scandals that occurred in the Carter years.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:25:09am |
re: #316 AK-47%
Don't punish the football players or fans, just the folks who allowed Sandusky to prey and molest for so long
The folks who allowed Sandusky to prey and molest for so long were the ones running the football program.
If SMU could get the death penalty for paying its players, then Penn State sure as fuck deserves it for allowing a coach to molest kids under his watch.
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steve_davis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:25:21am |
The most ironic part about the song is that the lyrics actually made more sense than 80% of anything sung by Yes.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:25:36am |
re: #309 sattv4u2
They don't really care, they issued a pro forma statement.
"pro forma" or not, they really DO care, or else they wouldn't "have requested that both campaigns remove Sesame Street characters and trademarks from their campaign materials."
Of course they want to remain, as a non-profit org, politically neutral, because their biggest client (the PBS stations) is perpetually under the gun from GOP dickhead throwbacks who don't give a damn about people having access to educational resources that don't involve the Bible/churches or require a cable subscription.
The Sesame Workshop statement was a CYA exercise, nothing more.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:25:41am |
re: #283 Obdicut
Again: One out of the forty ads put out has big bird in it. How is that eleventy?
birg bird and elmo have also been mentioned at just about every stump speech since the debate. I think it is a good laugh line and don't have an issue with it, but the advertising doesn't exist in a vacuum.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:25:48am |
re: #318 Lidane
Seriously. Folks are so hung up on Big Bird that they miss the larger point being made by the Obama campaign. Mitt Romney is a liar and a hypocrite who wants to cut insignificant government funding that actually does a public service and provides a public good while he turns around and throws money at defense and other larger programs like it's going out of style.
Yes but details get lost because of the conspicuous character involved. Now of course Big Bird's used that kind of attention. He's 8 feet tall, so he'd have to be.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:26:01am |
re: #317 NJDhockeyfan
Well now I have to cancel my vacation plans...crap.
Visit Detroit at your own risk, police union warns
So sad to see a big city deteriorating like that.
My brother-in-law, the homeless doctor (or "Dr. Houseless" as we call him) attended some medical conference in the D a couple of months ago. Because he is persona non grata at our house, he decided, instead of paying money he could well afford to stay at a hotel near the convention, to sleep in his car! He was rousted by Detroit PD telling him to move on unless he wanted his pasty white ass to be robbed and possibly raped & stabbed.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:26:46am |
re: #325 Dark_Falcon
Yes but details get lost because of the conspicuous character involved. Now of course Big Bird's used that kind of attention. He's 8 feet tall, so he'd have to be.
It has a lot to do with the fact that the Lowest Common Denominator is getting lower with each passing day...and our attention spans are getting shorter, as are our tempers.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:27:34am |
re: #323 MittDoesNotCompute
Because they want to remain, as a non-profit org, politically neutral, because their biggest client (the PBS stations) is perpetually under the gun from GOP dickhead throwbacks who don't give a damn about people having access to educational resources that don't involve the Bible/churches or require a cable subscription.
The Sesame Workshop statement was a CYA exercise, nothing more.
I agree but appearing in Obama campaign material makes them even more of a target. They don't want their brand associated with the Democratic party. .
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:27:36am |
re: #326 Sheila Broflovski
My brother-in-law, the homeless doctor (or "Dr. Houseless" as we call him) attended some medical conference in the D a couple of months ago. Because he is persona non grata at our house, he decided, instead of paying money he could well afford to stay at a hotel near the convention, to sleep in his car! He was rousted by Detroit PD telling him to move on unless he wanted his pasty white ass to be robbed and possibly raped & stabbed.
Good god. Why would anyone want to go there right now. That's insane.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:28:27am |
The point of the Sesame Street ads and Big Bird talk is Romney has tried to make the argument that programs like PBS are what have made the debt what it is. And that's patently false. We had PBS in the prosperous times of the 1990's. Obama's made the point many a time on the stump that Romney sees PBS as the problem more so than Wall Street. If people don't want to hear that, that's their own problem. And I don't blame Sesame for being upset about the ads. At the same time, however, I think it's perfectly reasonable to ridicule Romney for what he said and continues to say.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:28:33am |
re: #329 NJDhockeyfan
Good god. Why would anyone want to go there right now. That's insane.
Some of us live around here.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:30:06am |
re: #327 AK-47%
It has a lot to do with the fact that the Lowest Common Denominator is getting lower with each passing day...and our attention spans are getting shorter, as are our tempers.
I blame television.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:30:56am |
re: #331 Sheila Broflovski
Some of us live around here.
You have my sympathy. The biggest crimes in the area I live in are drag racing and hunting without a license.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:31:00am |
re: #296 Gus
Troll city here this morning.
It's all he has anymore. Perhaps we need to just stop feeding The Troll?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:31:55am |
re: #333 NJDhockeyfan
You have my sympathy. The biggest crimes in the area I live in are drag racing and hunting without a license.
I would rather live here than in Brooklyn.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:32:35am |
Pro-life congressman only pressured his mistress to get an abortion to protect the sanctity of his nightlife. on.cc.com/QSsOa2
— Indecision (@indecision) October 10, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:34:13am |
re: #335 Sheila Broflovski
I would rather live here than in Brooklyn.
The crime rate in Brooklyn isn't as high as it used to be. My nephew is a cop there. I haven't heard anything bad about it.
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:34:14am |
re: #329 NJDhockeyfan
Good god. Why would anyone want to go there right now. That's insane.
re: #331 Sheila Broflovski
Some of us live around here.
Heh. You hear that all time from people around here, complaining about Camden, NJ. "Burn it down and start over" is one of the more enlightened proclamations.
The read-between-the-lines moment on that statement is that anyone who lives there is either a mental case or a vicious criminal.
Because it's real easy to shit all over someone else when you live in a relatively stable town.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:34:28am |
re: #334 William Barnett-Lewis
It's all he has anymore. Perhaps we need to just stop feeding The Troll?
KT: Bitter clinger to all things rapey, stabbey, and Big Bird-y.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:34:33am |
re: #329 NJDhockeyfan
They used to say the same thing about NYC, and it turned around within a generation. It could happen again in Detroit, if they focus on the basics of law enforcement and making the appearance of safe living and working environment a reality. Putting cops on the street and maximizing their visibility will go a long way to improving the situation.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:34:36am |
re: #314 Lidane
. They shouldn't have a football program right now.
Agreed but there's too much TV money at stake for justice to happen. NCAA doesn't exist to help students, it only exists to help colleges make more money.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:36:16am |
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:36:31am |
re: #335 Sheila Broflovski
I would rather live here than in Brooklyn.
Dems' fighting words.
/no sleep til BROOKLYN
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:36:38am |
re: #340 lawhawk
My wife watched Law and Order a lot, and it's always weird to see the old, bombed-out looking New York.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:37:49am |
D.C has a bad reputation too. But I feel safe when I'm down there and I'm down there quite a bit.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:38:19am |
re: #294 Killgore Trout
That would be a good strategy if you were the only person deciding the election.
No, I am the only one deciding for myself. If others want to be led around by someone else there is nothing I can do about it except shake my head. The election will be decided of millions of individuals, not any single entity (hopefully, unlike the 2000 clusterfuck).
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:38:25am |
re: #341 William Barnett-Lewis
Agreed but there's too much TV money at stake for justice to happen. NCAA doesn't exist to help students, it only exists to help colleges make more money.
Reforming a program like that puts the NCAA in the same dilemma as the Allies occupying Germany after WWII. How many of the old "party membes" to you have to leave in place just to make sure the trains and telephones are still working?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:38:28am |
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:38:49am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
re: #339 MittDoesNotCompute
Better to name call than to actually, you know, have a conversation!
{sigh}
Why so serious?
Anyway, it's hard to have a conversation with anyone that has checked logic and reason at the door, because that ends in nothing but this:
Image: double_facepalm.jpg
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:40:45am |
re: #345 HappyWarrior
D.C has a bad reputation too. But I feel safe when I'm down there and I'm down there quite a bit.
Same as the Blue Hill Ave area of Mattapan in Boston. Can't tell you how many times I was warned not to go there to do business. Glad I ignored those warnings. Some of my best clients were there
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:40:59am |
re: #340 lawhawk
They used to say the same thing about NYC, and it turned around within a generation. It could happen again in Detroit, if they focus on the basics of law enforcement and making the appearance of safe living and working environment a reality. Putting cops on the street and maximizing their visibility will go a long way to improving the situation.
I hope they find someone soon. The just lost another police chief.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:41:10am |
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:42:03am |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:42:57am |
re: #340 lawhawk
They used to say the same thing about NYC, and it turned around within a generation. It could happen again in Detroit, if they focus on the basics of law enforcement and making the appearance of safe living and working environment a reality. Putting cops on the street and maximizing their visibility will go a long way to improving the situation.
The problem is that Detroit does have the tax base to support such an effort, and the rest of the state won't finance the effort unless an agency outside the control of the city government has oversight over the money. Detroit rejects that sort of arrangement. Thus, nothing is being done.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:43:50am |
re: #342 sattv4u2
re: #339 MittDoesNotCompute
Better to name call than to actually, you know, have a conversation!
{sigh}
The only "conversation" he's had since OWS started is about his frogs. Otherwise it's only "concern" this and "concern" that and anyone who says otherwise isn't willing to have a "conversation". Sorry Satt but a concern troll is still a troll.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:45:23am |
re: #318 Lidane
"Mitt Romney is a liar and a hypocrite who wants to cut insignificant government funding that actually does a public service and provides a public good while he turns around and throws money at defense and other larger programs like it's going out of style."
Romney isn't the only one.
It's actually a bipartisan effort.
Army To Congress Thanks But No Tanks
From The article.
To be exact, 173 House members - Democrats and Republicans - sent a letter April 20 to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, urging him to continue supporting their decision to produce more tanks.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:47:34am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:48:04am |
re: #356 William Barnett-Lewis
The only "conversation" he's had since OWS started is about his frogs. Otherwise it's only "concern" this and "concern" that and anyone who says otherwise isn't willing to have a "conversation". Sorry Satt but a concern troll is still a troll.
Simple then. You see something someone posts you don't want to talk about ,, then, well,, DON'T
As stated in #384
OR , (as I do) just ignore posts I care nothing about
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:48:39am |
re: #358 Mocking Jay
o.O
Joe Walsh Attacks Tammy Duckworth With Photo Of Her Picking Out Dress
Can't wait for Congressman Deadbeat Dad to be former Congressman Deadbeat Dad. What a fucking loser this man is.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:49:28am |
re: #356 William Barnett-Lewis
The only "conversation" he's had since OWS started is about his frogs. Otherwise it's only "concern" this and "concern" that and anyone who says otherwise isn't willing to have a "conversation". Sorry Satt but a concern troll is still a troll.
Sorry, you may disagree with Killgore Trout's opinions but troll? No, he's not a troll.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:49:59am |
re: #329 NJDhockeyfan
Good god. Why would anyone want to go there right now. That's insane.
Go to downtown any big city and it is the same thing. You act as if this is something new in big cities. Shit in 1979 a cop warned me and my buddy hitch hiking in Houston that people were getting killed hitch hiking. People were just running them down on the side of the road.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:51:10am |
The wingnut Classical Liberal is thick in here today.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:51:46am |
re: #358 Mocking Jay
o.O
Joe Walsh Attacks Tammy Duckworth With Photo Of Her Picking Out Dress
He deserves to have his ass handed back to him on a platter.
IMHO
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:51:53am |
re: #358 Mocking Jay
o.O
Joe Walsh Attacks Tammy Duckworth With Photo Of Her Picking Out Dress
I cannot begin to understand this dickface.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:53:36am |
re: #357 Only The Lurker Knows
And that's a tacit admission that government spending creates jobs. Mind you, we're talking about the kinds of jobs that GOPers prefer (military contractors) over those that Democrats generally prefer, but when those jobs include factory workers/manufacturing in their districts, they're going to fight to extend the spending to preserve those jobs rather than see those facilities idled.
If that $180 million spending could create those X numbers of jobs, what could a significant portion more do when addressing construction of new modern infrastructure or rehab/overhaul of existing infrastructure. And at the other side, everyone needs to work on getting the costs of such construction down so that it is comparable to European or Japanese construction for the same kind/level of engineering. There's no reason that comparable projects in the US cost more than those elsewhere in the world. And it's not as though we can't get projects done in a reasonable time and at a reasonable cost. It's just the exception - not the rule.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:55:00am |
re: #362 Eventual Carrion
Go to downtown any big city and it is the same thing. You act as if this is something new in big cities. Shit in 1979 a cop warned me and my buddy hitch hiking in Houston that people were getting killed hitch hiking. People were just running them down on the side of the road.
I know there are some nice places to go in Detroit but when the police union warns people to enter at their own risk it shows there is a serious problem there.
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AK-47% Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:56:10am |
re: #366 lawhawk
...when those jobs include factory workers/manufacturing in their districts, they're going to fight to extend the spending to preserve those jobs rather than see those facilities idled.
and it is an indirect recognition of the fact that labor and laborers are more than commodities, there is a social component to employment that cannot always be expressed in a corporate bottom line.
Mitt's background, however, is all about maximizing that bottom line regardless of the social costs.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:57:44am |
Two terrorist groups are working together for more attacks on Israel.
Gaza’s Hamas and Islamic Jihad formally join forces to fight Israel
Already firing mortars together, Hamas’s Al-Qassam Brigades and Islamic Jihad’s Al-Quds Brigades may continue coordination
Peace!
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:57:48am |
re: #367 NJDhockeyfan
I know there are some nice places to go in Detroit but when the police union warns people to enter at their own risk it shows there is a serious problem there.
Or they are pushing an agenda that that statement helps move along. Like "we need more cops here". Hard to justify more cops if things are perceived as just fine.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:00:26am |
re: #361 NJDhockeyfan
Sorry, you may disagree with Killgore Trout's opinions but troll? No, he's not a troll.
Define 'troll'. Can someone do some trolling without being a troll?
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:00:37am |
Want to start a Kickstarter campaign to pay Carl Weathers to hang out w/ Obama the next 27 days screaming, "There IS no tomorrow!"— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) October 10, 2012
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:01:18am |
I WILL REPLACE BIG BIRD WITH MY NEW CHARACTER THAT WILL UNTEACH KIDS, CALLED "BIG BURRO" #FutureRepublicans— Mexican Mitt Romneez (@MexicanMitt) October 10, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:04:07am |
re: #365 AK-47%
I cannot begin to understand this dickface.
It's the classic "women are frivolous and more concerned with the looks that policy" attack. Throwback to the 1950's.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:04:57am |
re: #371 wrenchwench
Define 'troll'. Can someone do some trolling without being a troll?
According to Urban Dictionary...
An angry monster who lives under a bridge, eats goats, and vents his rage on youtube.
Not that one.
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
Not that either. You have a different definition?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:05:43am |
re: #371 wrenchwench
Define 'troll'.
Personal opinion. Someone who has had an account for years and years and comes in here once every blue moon derailing the topic du jour PRIOR to 100 comments just to stir up shit, NOT someone who is here on a daily/ weekly basis and after 100 comments (or if the topic has died , sooner) posts something that interests them
At that point, as stated, either have a convo or ignore it!
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:05:49am |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
As I've repeatedly pointed out in comments here, the major terror groups, such as Hamas and PLO have had splinter groups that engage in ever more violent attacks because the core group has been more willing to engage in the status quo. Also, there's cross-pollination between groups, creating new terror groups like the PRCs, which combine terrorists formerly of Hamas and Fatah. That includes current and/or former members of the al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and PFLP.
But this coordination means that if/when Israel strikes back, it will be along the lines of an Operation Cast Lead, and not merely at the groups carrying out the launches. Hamas nominally governs Gaza, and is therefore going to be held responsible. By loosely allowing groups like PIJ to occasionally fire off rockets/mortars at Israel, Hamas can retain its triangle offense against Israel - plausible deniability that they weren't involved in the attacks and spare their core group from direct attacks.
Their tacit involvement in these rounds of attacks eliminates a key factor in their triangle offense system of attacking Israel, and makes it easier for Israel to sign off on military action against Hamas and its core leadership, as well as those directly involved in the attacks/launches.
Another thing to keep in mind is that Hamas could be acting at the behest of Iran to try and take the pressure off Assad, but there's signs of fractures among Hamas leaders inside and outside Syria over Assad's ongoing brutalization of the Syrian people. That makes that particular scenario more remote.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:06:38am |
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:08:59am |
#Romney #ConArtist logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:12:39am |
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) has spent the week appearing on news programs promoting Wednesday’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing to investigate a possible cover-up of lax security in Benghazi that led to the death of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and other Americans.
“The heart of what I’m concerned about in this situation is there was a conscious decision: Politics were driving the decisions rather than security,” Chaffetz recently told The Hill.
During his multiple appearances on CNN and Fox News, Chaffetz used the same line of attack and met little resistance. That is, until he faced off with O’Brien on Wednesday.
“So where there are complaints that, in fact, that there was not enough security, you’ve just said ‘absolutely’ that you cut — that you were the one to vote against, to increase security for the State Department, which would lead directly to Benghazi,” O’Brien told Chaffetz. “It seems like you are saying you have a hand in the responsibility for this? Right? The funding of the security, you’re happy to cut it.”
“You have to prioritize things,” Chaffetz insisted. “Libya before 9/11, two bombings on our consulate out there. Of course, that’s got to be a higher priority than making sure that we’re protecting some other interest.”
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:14:05am |
BREAKING: U.S. Anti-Doping Agency says 11 of Lance Armstrong's teammates testified against him in probe: apne.ws/RwDjh3 -CJ— The Associated Press (@AP) October 10, 2012
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:14:36am |
re: #381 Kragar
He's saying embassy security funding shouldn't be a priority? Yeah, that's smart..... But making Papa Grover happy with endless tax cuts should be one huh.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:15:09am |
Detroit...
Detroit & Public Act 4
FTA:
State intervention should come in the form of consultation and assistance, not takeover, said Greg Bowens, spokesman for the group Stand Up for Democracy, which headed the petition drive to put the issue before voters.
Bowens said the new law was designed to place the burden of addressing a financial crisis on public employees like teachers, police officers and firefighters, rather than asking for shared sacrifice, especially from those who hold municipal debt. Unmanageable debt is the single biggest contributor to the financial crises in local government, Bowens said, but lenders and bondholders have little incentive to restructure debt when they believe an emergency manager will balance the books through employee concessions.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:15:21am |
NIST Scientist Wins Nobel For Quantum Computing Work
And yet, according to the GOP and so many wingnuts, government "jobs" are not real jobs.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:17:14am |
K Kiddies
1st day "flying solo" since surgery. Been weening off the drugs for a few days and I can ALMOST focus on what I'm doing!!
CAUTION,,, if you're out and about in South Gwinnett/ Monroe counties in Georgia, give wide birth to a man driving a White Ford Explorer.
//
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:17:36am |
re: #383 HappyWarrior
He's saying embassy security funding shouldn't be a priority? Yeah, that's smart..... But making Papa Grover happy with endless tax cuts should be one huh.
Shouldn't be a priority for HIM. It should have been for Obama. See Obama should have just sent money to the embassies and said fuck the lawmakers decision. Since he didn't he is responsible, and of course if he had done that then he should be impeached for over stepping his authority. Chrystal clear, a classic no win situation. Fuck that asshole.
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:18:17am |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
[Embedded content]
A perhaps silly thought. Throughout his career, Armstrong was tested for the doping he's accused of doing and came up negative.
His accusers now say the methods of negating the test are commonly known and used.
So, doesn't this by definition mean he was most likely cycling against other dopers? In other words, he won on a (so to speak) level playing field?
The more I look the more I become convinced the whole thing is simply French rage that an American dominated "their" sport.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:18:19am |
re: #385 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Detroit...
Detroit & Public Act 4FTA:
State intervention should come in the form of consultation and assistance, not takeover, said Greg Bowens, spokesman for the group Stand Up for Democracy, which headed the petition drive to put the issue before voters.Bowens said the new law was designed to place the burden of addressing a financial crisis on public employees like teachers, police officers and firefighters, rather than asking for shared sacrifice, especially from those who hold municipal debt. Unmanageable debt is the single biggest contributor to the financial crises in local government, Bowens said, but lenders and bondholders have little incentive to restructure debt when they believe an emergency manager will balance the books through employee concessions.
I disagree. given Detroit's history of corrupt and incompetent government, takeover is the best option. Michigan doesn't have a lot of spare money, and can't afford to have monies put into Detroit wasted.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:19:33am |
Bring this cockbag up on voter intimidation charges.
Billionaire CEO threatens to fire employees if Obama is re-elected
David Siegel, the founder and CEO of Westgate Resorts, on Monday sent a letter to his 7000 employees warning that the company would be downsized if President Barack Obama was elected to a second term.
Siegal, a billionaire who building the biggest house in America for himself, told Gawker the email was based on a chain letter that has been widely circulated. He said the email gave his employees “something to think about when they go to the polls.”
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:20:13am |
re: #388 Eventual Carrion
Shouldn't be a priority for HIM. It should have been for Obama. See Obama should have just sent money to the embassies and said fuck the lawmakers decision. Since he didn't he is responsible, and of course if he had done that then he should be impeached for over stepping his authority. Chrystal clear, a classic no win situation. Fuck that asshole.
That's pretty much how I feel reading any GOPer in the House. Damned if Obama does, damned if he doesn't because he's a damn commie. Really, I hope people have learned what a joke the Tea Party is and throw many of their officials out of office. All they do is bellyache about Obama and live in a fantasy world where only spending cuts fix the debt.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:20:27am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
According to Urban Dictionary...
Not that one.
Not that either. You have a different definition?
Also from urban dictionary:
Concern Troll
In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.
I've never liked the concern troll label, too easy to just dismiss someone you don't agree with by saying they are a concern troll, but take it for what it's worth.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:21:21am |
re: #391 Kragar
Bring this cockbag up on voter intimidation charges.
Billionaire CEO threatens to fire employees if Obama is re-elected
Lovely guy. What corporate thuggery? He can build a large ass mansion for himself but he'll downsize- read cut people's jobs like a little baby if things don't go his way politically. What a pantload.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:22:25am |
re: #393 danarchy
I've never liked the concern troll label, to easy to just dismiss someone you don't agree with by saying they are a concern troll
Repeated just because ,,,,,
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:22:57am |
re: #391 Kragar
Bring this cockbag up on voter intimidation charges.
Billionaire CEO threatens to fire employees if Obama is re-elected
It's not intimidation, technically. He's not threatening to downsize anyone based on their vote, he's threatening to downsize over the (perceived) impact of Obama's policies. That's not illegal.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:23:12am |
re: #390 Dark_Falcon
I disagree. given Detroit's history of corrupt and incompetent government, takeover is the best option. Michigan doesn't have a lot of spare money, and can't afford to have monies put into Detroit wasted.
Monies put into police, fire and schools are not what I would consider waste.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:23:36am |
re: #391 Kragar
Bring this cockbag up on voter intimidation charges.
Billionaire CEO threatens to fire employees if Obama is re-elected
Looks like he is also a SCAMMER.
And fined for violating the "Do Not Call" telemarketing law.
SCUMBAG.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:23:46am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
It's not intimidation, technically. He's not threatening to downsize anyone based on their vote, he's threatening to downsize over the (perceived) impact of Obama's policies. That's not illegal.
He's being a dick. What would you say to a simliar executive who threatened to downsize if Romney won?
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:25:57am |
re: #393 danarchy
Also from urban dictionary:
Concern Troll
In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.I've never liked the concern troll label, to easy to just dismiss someone you don't agree with by saying they are a concern troll, but take it for what it's worth.
Killgore Trout has been called a troll by lizards who don't like his views. I have been called a troll for the same reasons. It doesn't made it correct. KT could call lots of other people trolls on here but it's not true either. There have been troll on here but they tend to not last very long. Flinging names on here doesn't help civil debates, it just makes a person look like a fool.
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:26:01am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
It's not intimidation, technically. He's not threatening to downsize anyone based on their vote, he's threatening to downsize over the (perceived) impact of Obama's policies. That's not illegal.
Actually, it technically is intimidation. It's a statement of consequence that he ties directly to the addressees' actions.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:26:21am |
Sorry folks but if things don't go my way politically, we're downsizing! Waaaaaah!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:26:58am |
re: #397 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Monies put into police, fire and schools are not what I would consider waste.
They can be waste if they are misappropriated or spent on things that do not improve the performance of said agencies.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:27:18am |
re: #402 HappyWarrior
Sorry folks but if things don't go my way politically, we're downsizing! Waaaaaah!
Looks like he'll have to outsource the telemarketing to India, and the scamming to Nigeria.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:27:51am |
re: #399 HappyWarrior
He's being a dick. What would you say to a simliar executive who threatened to downsize if Romney won?
That he was a horse's ass. I think the same thing of this turkey, I just don't think his actions were criminal.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:28:33am |
Killed former SEAL used in stump speech thought Romney was ‘pathetic’: friend
The friend of a former Navy SEAL who was recently killed during attacks in Libya says that his friend “would definitely not approve” of Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney invoking his name to score political points.
Over the past week, Romney has been recalling a chance meeting with former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty years ago to get an edge on President Barack Obama after attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi that resulted in the death of the veteran, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and other Americans.
The former Massachusetts governor appeared to get choked up on Tuesday as he told a crowd in Iowa that he had met Doherty when he mistakenly attended the wrong neighborhood party.
Continues.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:28:37am |
re: #405 Dark_Falcon
That he was a horse's ass. I think the same thing of this turkey, I just don't think his actions were criminal.
Fair enough.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:28:41am |
Random funny anti-Obama whine...
In 2003, when Bush was president, I took a male cat to be fixed. It cost $40, pain meds were free.
Today, I took a female cat to be fixed. For the exact same procedures, it cost $80, plus $13 for pain meds.
Thank you, Mr President.
(emphasis added)
Uhh, "fixing" a female is actual internal surgery and always costs more than "snipping" a male.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:29:10am |
re: #405 Dark_Falcon
That he was a horse's ass. I think the same thing of this turkey, I just don't think his actions were criminal.
He has been convicted of criminal actions, and there are a lot of complaints about Westgate being a scam.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:30:12am |
Mother of Navy Seal killed in Libya speaks out
BOSTON (WHDH) -- The attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya became a major issue on the campaign trail and the mother of a Navy Seal killed in the violence is voicing her anger that Mitt Romney is speaking about her son on the campaign trail...
7News spoke with Doherty’s mother.
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama,” said Barbara Doherty, Glen’s mother.There was no response from the Romney camp.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:30:45am |
re: #400 NJDhockeyfan
Killgore Trout has been called a troll by lizards who don't like his views. I have been called a troll for the same reasons. It doesn't made it correct. KT could call lots of other people trolls on here but it's not true either. There have been troll on here but they tend to not last very long. Flinging names on here doesn't help civil debates, it just makes a person look like a fool.
To me it has more to do with the way one's views are presented than what those views are. I probably agree less with Dark_Falcon than I do with you or KT, but I don't think he ever (or extremely rarely) trolls, whereas I think you and KT do troll sometimes.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:30:54am |
re: #410 Gus
Of course not. This is typical Romney. Being an asshole because it's all the guy knows.
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blueraven Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:31:22am |
re: #406 Gus
Killed former SEAL used in stump speech thought Romney was ‘pathetic’: friend
His mother has also made a statement, saying she doesn't trust Romney and he is politicizing her son's death.
She is right. He is.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:31:23am |
I don't care how many times I listen to this CD, Mumford & Sons are still awesome. Such a great band.
OK. Back to the apartment hunt.
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:31:53am |
re: #383 HappyWarrior
He's saying embassy security funding shouldn't be a priority? Yeah, that's smart..... But making Papa Grover happy with endless tax cuts should be one huh.
Fuck Grover Norquist. This guy is an unelected official who came up with a no tax pledge when he was 12, and what seems like every Republican in federal government fears him as if he were some sort of god.
Just once, I want to see some Republican tell him to fuck off.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:32:19am |
re: #408 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Random funny anti-Obama whine...
(emphasis added)
Uhh, "fixing" a female is actual internal surgery and always costs more than "snipping" a male.
Yeah, I think it's the same for human beans. Except that it's not $80.
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:32:31am |
re: #414 Lidane
The old one or the new one (Babel)? Not that it really matters - their old one is great and am waiting with anticipation in getting the new one...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:32:48am |
re: #411 wrenchwench
To me it has more to do with the way one's views are presented than what those views are. I probably agree less with Dark_Falcon than I do with you or KT, but I don't think he ever (or extremely rarely) trolls, whereas I think you and KT do troll sometimes.
It's the latter. That Mark Steyn column I posted was trolling: I knew the reaction would be negative but I wanted to stir things up with it.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:33:42am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
Fits to a tee, if you ask me.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:33:48am |
re: #417 lawhawk
The old one or the new one (Babel)? Not that it really matters - their old one is great and am waiting with anticipation in getting the new one...
The new one. Babel is amazing. I've had it on repeat for days now.
Buy the deluxe version from iTunes. It's got three bonus songs including a fantastic cover of the Simon & Garfunkel song "The Boxer".
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:34:02am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:34:36am |
re: #415 Mattand
Fuck Grover Norquist. This guy is an unelected official who came up with a no tax pledge when he was 12, and what seems like every Republican in federal government fears him as if he were some sort of god.
Just once, I want to see some Republican tell him to fuck off.
They won't. And that's the frustrating thing. Really, Grover Norquist should be a goddamn joke but no Congressional Republcians are so afraid of him calling them not real conservatives when they even so much as consider tax increases as necessary that they continue going with this tool, a guy who has openly disrespected the Greatest Generation.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:36:00am |
re: #403 Dark_Falcon
They can be waste if they are misappropriated or spent on things that do not improve the performance of said agencies.
If Detroit's rate of crime is exploding, then they are not serving the public interest. Cuts don't work.
In essence, they're making a bad situation worse.
They need stimulate growth, and they can start with rebuilding the city.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:36:01am |
re: #401 kirkspencer
Actually, it technically is intimidation. It's a statement of consequence that he ties directly to the addressees' actions.
Just like with the owner of that coal company; the take-away message to their employees is "vote for who I support (that means Republicans) or find new jobs...if you can!"
There's no way shit like that can be legal...
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:37:17am |
re: #420 Lidane
I've had it on repeat for days now.
Oh, good. I'm not the only one who listens to music that way.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:37:18am |
re: #422 HappyWarrior
They won't. And that's the frustrating thing. Really, Grover Norquist should be a goddamn joke but no Congressional Republcians are so afraid of him calling them not real conservatives when they even so much as consider tax increases as necessary that they continue going with this tool, a guy who has openly disrespected the Greatest Generation.
He's a dangerous man to cross politically. Most Republicans who have done so have subsequently lost their next primary, since he than supports a primary challenge against said "offender".
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:38:21am |
re: #408 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Random funny anti-Obama whine...
(emphasis added)
Uhh, "fixing" a female is actual internal surgery and always costs more than "snipping" a male.
Damn, I got ripped off, when I got my dog spayed I ended paying over $300 between the procedure antibiotics and painkillers.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:38:28am |
re: #423 Reverend Mother Ramallo
If Detroit's rate of crime is exploding, then they are not serving the public interest. Cuts don't work.
In essence, they're making a bad situation worse.
They need stimulate growth, and they can start with rebuilding the city.
We were talking about control, not cuts. Detroit doesn't like the strings that would be attached to additional state funding.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:38:36am |
re: #415 Mattand
Fuck Grover Norquist. This guy is an unelected official who came up with a no tax pledge when he was 12, and what seems like every Republican in federal government fears him as if he were some sort of god.
Just once, I want to see some Republican tell him to fuck off.
Papa Bush did, but no one listened.
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:39:03am |
re: #424 MittDoesNotCompute
Just like with the owner of that coal company; the take-away message to their employees is "vote for who I support (that means Republicans) or find new jobs!"
There's no way shit like that can be legal...
some quotes from the letter:
So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job?
and shortly after
My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.
Signed, your boss
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:39:19am |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
He's a dangerous man to cross politically. Most Republicans who have done so have subsequently lost their next primary, since he than supports a primary challenge against said "offender".
When whackos like Norquist and Barton and blowhards like Limbaugh have the GOP by the balls, there's a serious problem.
And it's not with us who don't like them...
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:40:22am |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
He's a dangerous man to cross politically. Most Republicans who have done so have subsequently lost their next primary, since he than supports a primary challenge against said "offender".
Yeah, and i am saying it sucks that he has the political influence he does. Let make me this clear. If there was a Democratic version of Norquist who ruined the career of anyone who didn't toe the line on social programs, I would hate that guy because I have neither patience or respect for people who engage in political purism.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:40:39am |
re: #429 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Papa Bush did, but no one listened.
Bush the Elder also lost his reelection bid, in no small part over "Read My Lips". He decided to focus on policy, not on politics and paid the price often charged for doing so.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:41:35am |
re: #430 kirkspencer
My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about.
Signed, your boss
Considering that most of his employees are telemarketers and his sales staff are timeshare scammers, they are probably better off getting real jobs.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:42:04am |
re: #411 wrenchwench
To me it has more to do with the way one's views are presented than what those views are. I probably agree less with Dark_Falcon than I do with you or KT, but I don't think he ever (or extremely rarely) trolls, whereas I think you and KT do troll sometimes.
QFT.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:42:37am |
re: #429 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Papa Bush did, but no one listened.
Well, he did lose the re-election. Flip side of it is though is he's being remembered as a better president among the more reasonable for actually doing what was right as opposed to pandering to the likes of those who flip out at any tax increase. The mistake H.W Bush made was the stupid "no new taxes" pledge which from what I understand was reluctantly stated and inserted by a speechwriter- forget who.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:44:10am |
re: #428 Dark_Falcon
We were talking about control, not cuts. Detroit doesn't like the strings that would be attached to additional state funding.
That's because it's Union Busting.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:44:46am |
re: #418 Dark_Falcon
It's the latter. That Mark Steyn column I posted was trolling: I knew the reaction would be negative but I wanted to stir things up with it.
And that's another important difference - when you do Troll you don't pretend it's anything else. Your basic honesty is a critical part of you.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:44:53am |
re: #425 wrenchwench
Oh, good. I'm not the only one who listens to music that way.
Haha, no. You're not alone. I do that all the time, especially if something really moves me, like Babel has. I can't explain it, but this record has just gotten to me. Love love love it.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:46:03am |
I think the ideological mistake that hacks like Norquist make is thinking their opponents like taxes. I don't like taxes but would if I had the choice between paying a little more so I and my neighbors can have better roads, schools, etc. Yes, easily. Way I look at is you'll end up having to pay more if you underfund programs ultimately. And I guess that's why to me freaking out at any proposed tax increase is stupid.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:46:35am |
re: #436 HappyWarrior
Well, he did lose the re-election. Flip side of it is though is he's being remembered as a better president among the more reasonable for actually doing what was right as opposed to pandering to the likes of those who flip out at any tax increase. The mistake H.W Bush made was the stupid "no new taxes" pledge which from what I understand was reluctantly stated and inserted by a speechwriter- forget who.
He is the last of the Republicans who don't cause me to have night terrors.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:46:41am |
Jack Welch doubles down
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:48:18am |
re: #441 Reverend Mother Ramallo
He is the last of the Republicans who don't cause me to have night terrors.
I read an interview with him and Mrs. Bush this summer. Had to give him some props because it was obvious that he didn't like the political purity that seems to affect his party these days. Plus, I think he was decent on foreign policy too. The coalition put together for Desert Storm I was very impressively done.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:49:01am |
Another dickhead from Jersey heard from:
Spring Lake Business Window Display Depicts Obama As Witch Doctor
Another Republican that's too embarrassed to call himself one.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:51:16am |
re: #444 makeitstop
Another dickhead from Jersey heard from:
Spring Lake Business Window Display Depicts Obama As Witch Doctor
Another Republican that's too embarrassed to call himself one.
"I think he thinks he's the king." Uh huh.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:52:29am |
re: #444 makeitstop
Another dickhead from Jersey heard from:
Spring Lake Business Window Display Depicts Obama As Witch Doctor
Another Republican that's too embarrassed to call himself one.
It's just a Halloween display!1! Where's your sense of humor!!1!ty
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:53:30am |
Guy can't even us his own original image. Has to use that stupid Obama witch doctor photoshop. And funny, I had surgery on my heart with ACA being implemented and I not only didn't die but made a full recovery. But hey hyperbole to the rescue!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:53:51am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:54:24am |
Hey KT, here's a tidbit from Fox about what your Occupy buddies are really up to these days...
Occupy Atlanta members join police in bid to save detective's home
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:56:10am |
re: #389 kirkspencer
A perhaps silly thought. Throughout his career, Armstrong was tested for the doping he's accused of doing and came up negative.
His accusers now say the methods of negating the test are commonly known and used.
So, doesn't this by definition mean he was most likely cycling against other dopers? In other words, he won on a (so to speak) level playing field?
The more I look the more I become convinced the whole thing is simply French rage that an American dominated "their" sport.
This is an US anti-doping agency that has hounding after Armstrong for the past few years. A few months back Armstrong basically said he was going to stop fighting the issue since there was no chance of his getting a fair hearing from them.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:56:37am |
Moving to New York while blogging an election was probably too large a leap for an excitable chap like myself: thebea.st/PXAaoR
— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) October 10, 2012
New York can be exhausting. On my walk to work today a man was screaming incoherently at me about the world ending. It was Andrew Sullivan.
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 10, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:56:55am |
re: #437 Reverend Mother Ramallo
That's because it's Union Busting.
I don't care. Those unions refused to take a stand against the city government's corruption and incompetence for decades. As a direct result of that corruption, the state is insisting on control over funds to ensure that they are not mismanaged. I consider such a demand reasonable in light of the history, and what it does to the unions is what it does. Detroit's municipal workers unions helped sow the wind, and now they and their members deserve to reap the whirlwind.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:57:59am |
New From JMG: WND: President Obama's Ring Says "There Is No God But Allah": The latest from birther kingpin Jero... bit.ly/WRUZaj— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) October 10, 2012
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Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 10:58:05am |
re: #453 Dark_Falcon
Detroit's municipal workers unions helped sow the wind, and now they and their members deserve to reap the whirlwind.
Whenever you talk like this, I read it in the voice of a comic-book supervillain.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:02:29am |
#Romney #Suckers logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
#Romney #Backward logo. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:02:36am |
re: #453 Dark_Falcon
Criminals (Kwame Kilpatrick and his pals) loot the city treasury to line their own pockets and you blame the unions?
Blame the fucking criminals.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:02:45am |
Hmm, I see Gov. Christie is out today listening to his constituents in a Town Hall meeting.
In Ohio.
///
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:03:29am |
re: #458 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Hmm, I see Gov. Christie is out today listening to his constituents in a Town Hall meeting.
In Ohio.
///
Now, if there's a man who hopes Romney loses more than I do, there he is.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:03:38am |
re: #444 makeitstop
Another dickhead from Jersey heard from:
Spring Lake Business Window Display Depicts Obama As Witch Doctor
Another Republican that's too embarrassed to call himself one.
I don't see anything in there that necessarily says republican. He is likely racist or at the very least extraordinarily tone deaf, and he doesn't like the ACA.
I am not crazy about the ACA and disagree with a lot of Obama's economic, regulatory, and tax policies, but would never consider myself republican. I am pro-choice, support gay marriage and am a huge supporter of science(you know, evolution, climate change etc.)
| 461 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:04:29am |
re: #444 makeitstop
Another dickhead from Jersey heard from:
Spring Lake Business Window Display Depicts Obama As Witch Doctor
Another Republican that's too embarrassed to call himself one.
That photoshop has an infamous history on LGF. When Charles first posted criticizing it back in 2009, then-lizard Iron Fist mounted a spirited but nonsensical defense of the photoshop. His lack of sense in so doing and his refusal to admit the image's racist nature got him banned by Charles. IF promptly reacted by joining Rodan (AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus) on The Blogmocrasy (known here as the Stalker Blog). The admiration felt by some then on LGF for Iron Fist served as the catalyst for what is today called The Great Flouncing.
| 462 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:06:30am |
@realDonaldTrump just askin' questions. (No I'm not posting his disgusting, vile tweet here)
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:07:49am |
re: #426 Dark_Falcon
He's a dangerous man to cross politically. Most Republicans who have done so have subsequently lost their next primary, since he than supports a primary challenge against said "offender".
He's a fool, pure and simple. And it speaks volumes to idiocy and spinelessness of the Republican Party that they would kowtow to this idiot.
Although you do have one point: there are enough conservatives who are stupid enough to believe anything Norquist says to make re-election tough. I still think it's just going to take one Republican with a grip on reality to push back. Grover's fantasy world may be more fragile than people realize.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:07:49am |
re: #457 Sheila Broflovski
Criminals (Kwame Kilpatrick and his pals) loot the city treasury to line their own pockets and you blame the unions?
Blame the fucking criminals.
I do blame the criminals first, but the unions need to accept that in light of the threat of state monies being stolen, as has happened in the past, the state needs to have an agency outside the city government manage the funds. I understand that's humiliating for Detroit, but given the circumstances that sort of raw deal is the only deal the state can afford.
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:08:22am |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
That photoshop has an infamous history on LGF. When Charles first posted criticizing it back in 2009, then-lizard Iron Fist mounted a spirited but nonsensical defense of the photoshop. His lack of sense in so doing and his refusal to admit the image's racist nature got him banned by Charles. IF promptly reacted by joining Rodan (AKA Daedalus AKA Dorkus) on The Blogmocrasy (known here as the Stalker Blog). The admiration felt by some then on LGF for Iron Fist served as the catalyst for what is today called The Great Flouncing.
I just found out about the stalker blog. This does not surprise me, given the unhealthy obsessive behavior displayed over there.
| 466 |
lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:10:28am |
In another chapter of Honey Boo Boo - Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken, and Colin Farell recite lines....
Their recitation is funny, but seriously.... this is worse than a roadside crash...
| 467 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:11:13am |
re: #463 Mattand
He's a fool, pure and simple. And it speaks volumes to idiocy and spinelessness of the Republican Party that they would kowtow to this idiot.
Although you do have one point: there are enough conservatives who are stupid enough to believe anything Norquist says to make re-election tough. I still think it's just going to take one Republican with a grip on reality to push back. Grover's fantasy world may be more fragile than people realize.
Really that guys like him and Limbaugh have the influence they do on conservatism and the Republican Party is sad as shit. Norquist is just a nutcase who doesn't like paying his taxes. News to Grover, no one really likes it. It would be nice to see someone in the Republican party tell him to screw off. Of course, the sad part is there are people who think Norquist is an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood because of his Muslim wife which is hilariously insane.
| 469 |
engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:11:48am |
“I mean, lied about what?” [Anne] Romney said to host Martha MacCallum. “This is something he’s been saying all along. This is what he believes. This is his policy, these are his statements. I mean, lie, it’s sort of like someone that’s, you know, in the sandbox that like lost the game and they’re just going to kick sand in someone’s face and say, ‘you liar.’ I mean, it’s like they lost, and so now they just are going to say, okay, the game, we didn’t like the game.
this is the first example i know of a presidential candidate having a Trained Attack Wife
"I mean, lied about what?"
to coin a phrase, "i'm so glad you asked that question"
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:12:25am |
re: #466 lawhawk
In another chapter of Honey Boo Boo - Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken, and Colin Farell recite lines....
Their recitation is funny, but seriously.... this is worse than a roadside crash...
I can't wait for Seven Psychopaths. I loved Martin McDonagh's In Bruges and his brother's, The Guard.
| 471 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:12:59am |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:14:51am |
I've reverted back to the previous version of the Fancybox image popup script, because the latest version seems to be buggy, and was causing all kinds of problems.
That thing where the page would jump around in Firefox should be fixed now.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:15:33am |
re: #461 Dark_Falcon
The admiration felt by some then on LGF for Iron Fist served as the catalyst for what is today called The Great Flouncing.
More like, those who shared IF's crazed delusions realized en masse that their offensive opinions wouldn't be tolerated here.
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:15:37am |
re: #464 Dark_Falcon
I do blame the criminals first, but the unions need to accept that in light of the threat of state monies being stolen, as has happened in the past, the state needs to have an agency outside the city government manage the funds. I understand that's humiliating for Detroit, but given the circumstances that sort of raw deal is the only deal the state can afford.
I'm afraid I have to hesitate in accepting that given your history of being so totally against unions in the past.
And after a bit of thought I still have to do so. The criminals were robbing from the unions (too), and the unions among others complained. It appears the outside agency has decided that busting the union is the most important step in solving the city's fiscal issues, so they're complaining and trying to do something about it.
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Mattand Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:16:06am |
re: #467 HappyWarrior
Really that guys like him and Limbaugh have the influence they do on conservatism and the Republican Party is sad as shit. Norquist is just a nutcase who doesn't like paying his taxes. News to Grover, no one really likes it. It would be nice to see someone in the Republican party tell him to screw off. Of course, the sad part is there are people who think Norquist is an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood because of his Muslim wife which is hilariously insane.
LOL, the great conservative/Republican dilemma: "What do I hate more? Muslims, or taxes?"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:17:14am |
re: #475 Mattand
LOL, the great conservative/Republican dilemma: "What do I hate more? Muslims, or taxes?"
There must be something out there that blames Muslims for creating the concept of taxes in the first place. Or at least something like income taxes.
;P
| 477 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:17:25am |
re: #475 Mattand
LOL, the great conservative/Republican dilemma: "What do I hate more? Muslims, or taxes?"
Haha yep.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:18:07am |
re: #476 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
There must be something out there that blames Muslims for creating the concept of taxes in the first place. Or at least something like income taxes.
;P
Well we can blame Muslims for algebra. And believe me given the trouble I had in seventh grade math, if I were a smaller man, I would have sounded like Frank Gaffney in seventh grade.
| 479 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:18:20am |
re: #472 Charles Johnson
I've reverted back to the previous version of the Fancybox image popup script, because the latest version seems to be buggy, and was causing all kinds of problems.
That thing where the page would jump around in Firefox should be fixed now.
Fixed, after a reload.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:18:24am |
re: #466 lawhawk
In another chapter of Honey Boo Boo - Sam Rockwell, Christopher Walken, and Colin Farell recite lines....
Their recitation is funny, but seriously.... this is worse than a roadside crash...
Good gravy.
I'm not a big fan of the mafia, in general, but they should pay that woman a visit and explain what spaghetti sauce is and is not.
Ketchup and butter is not...edible, let alone a good marinara. Gag.
| 481 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:19:33am |
Now, spaghetti noodles with a good butter and herb sauce would be just fine.
| 482 |
Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:20:08am |
Ryan says Romney's position on abortion "is consistent and hasn't changed"— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) October 10, 2012
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:20:51am |
| 484 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:21:38am |
re: #450 William Barnett-Lewis
Hey KT, here's a tidbit from Fox about what your Occupy buddies are really up to these days...
Occupy Atlanta members join police in bid to save detective's home
They'll probably just rape him afterward.
| 485 |
jaunte Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:21:52am |
re: #482 Gus
These constant lies are inflaming the 'yeah whatever' nerve.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:22:02am |
re: #482 Gus
[Embedded content]
Bwahahahaha. I'm sorry but what? I think even Mitt admits his position changed.
| 487 |
Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:24:59am |
| 488 |
jaunte Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:29:58am |
Slain SEAL’s mom no Romney fan
"...In recent days, Romney had told the story of how he met Glen Doherty at a Christmas party in California as part of his stump speech, and used the story of Doherty’s death — he rushed toward the facility to defend it when he heard about the attack — to illustrate American bravery.
....
Meanwhile, a friend of Doherty’s told a Seattle radio station Doherty remembered Romney repeatedly introducing himself at the Christmas party.“He said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen’s face.”
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:31:46am |
re: #480 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Can't even get decent food. Right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. /henry hill
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:35:24am |
re: #489 lawhawk
Can't even get decent food. Right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. /henry hill
There was a similiar line said by Frank Perconte in Band of Brothers-
"Gonorrhea (Bill Guarenre) as an Italian, you should be offended. This is Army noodles and ketchup." But yeah that stuff looks nasty. I'm not a big spaghetti fan anyhow though.
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efuseakay Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:36:52am |
re: #412 HappyWarrior
Of course not. This is typical Romney. Being an asshole because it's all the guy knows.
Wait for the GOP attack dogs to go after them...
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:38:11am |
re: #436 HappyWarrior
The mistake H.W Bush made was the stupid "no new taxes" pledge which from what I understand was reluctantly stated and inserted by a speechwriter- forget who.
I remember the end line (with audience participation) of every appearance HW made was "Read my lips. No new taxes," for what seemed like years. Sure didn't sound reluctant to me.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:40:33am |
re: #492 Someone Please Beam Me Up!
I remember the end line (with audience participation) of every appearance HW made was "Read my lips. No new taxes," for what seemed like years. Sure didn't sound reluctant to me.
Thought I had heard it was but I'll defer to you here since I was five when he left office.
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A Mom Anon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 11:51:27am |
re: #484 Eventual Carrion
Say what you want about Occupy,but the Atlanta group has gone to bat for not only several home owners,but a church too. To stop foreclosures and get the banks to work with the homeowners and the church they helped. They haven't succeeded every time,but they have been trying to bring attention to the foreclosure problem. You'd think the banks would rather have the home occupied and kept up than to go into foreclosure and sit empty. An empty house is going to be vandalized or at least go to hell and whole neighborhoods experience a drop in home values. Why not work with the homeowner? It's stupid from a business angle.
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