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1 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:13:47pm
Chinese gooeseberries actually come from New Zealand.
2 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:14:42pm

re: #1 klys

I was hoping Cruz would tell us that the human head weighs eight pounds.

3 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:16:31pm

Lol.

4 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:17:21pm

It’s funny that Colbert frequently doesn’t stay in character these days.

5 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:17:52pm

Hahaha, Jimmy Stewart gets some bad acid and talks to a coat rack for 12 hrs.

6 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:17:58pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

It’s funny that Colbert frequently doesn’t stay in character these days.

I really can’t blame him. Can you imagine dealing with all of this with a straight face?

(Watch the interview with JGL. It’s epic.)

7 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:18:25pm

re: #5 Justanotherhuman

Hahaha, Jimmy Stewart gets some bad acid and talks to a coat rack for 12 hrs.

I loled.

8 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:20:43pm

re: #1 klys

Except I think they originated in China and were improved and rebranded as kiwifruit in NZ

9 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:22:01pm

re: #8 calochortus

Except I think they originated in China and were improved and rebranded as kiwifruit in NZ

It’s quite possible that this is true - I don’t dispute this - but as an argument against Obamacare it fails.

And since he wasn’t even filibustering, I’m free to analyze his arguments on that level.

10 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:25:15pm

Speaking of Comedy Central shows: what’s our boy GG had to say about South Park, now that it’s clear they weren’t exactly taking his side?

11 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:26:37pm

re: #9 klys

I just have a large amount of useless information which I’m always happy to share.

12 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:26:38pm

Guys, I found an American Legion music CD full of bombastic synthesized patriotic music that sounds exactly like stuff Colbert would play

13 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:28:03pm

re: #11 calochortus

I just have a large amount of useless information which I’m always happy to share.

Wait, you think I have useful information???

14 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:28:56pm

re: #13 klys

Wait, you think I have useful information???

You’re my go-to person on glass…

15 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:29:11pm

re: #10 Mattand

Looking at his twitter feed, it looks like he’s moved that topic to the drooling unmentionable column.

16 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:30:05pm

The National Fruit of China.

In Chinese, the current word for most wild or local varieties of the kiwifruit is the Macaque peach. The imported varieties are often referred to as wonder fruit (qí yì guǒ) as qí yì (wonder) sounds similar to kiwi. See the table below for other Chinese words for kiwifruit.

Sunny peach 陽桃 yáng táo
Macaque peach 獼猴桃 mí hóu táo
Wonder Fruit 奇異果 qí yì guǒ
Macaque pear 獼猴梨 mí hóu lí
Vine pear 藤梨 téng lí
Wood berry 木子 mù zi
Hairy bush fruit 毛木果 máo mù guǒ

en.wikipedia.org

Teehee! Hairy bush fruit…

17 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:30:35pm

re: #14 calochortus

You’re my go-to person on glass…

I HAVE A PURPOSE.

re: #10 Mattand

Speaking of Comedy Central shows: what’s our boy GG had to say about South Park, now that it’s clear they weren’t exactly taking his side?

He’s ignoring it.

Upding if you’re not surprised.

/shameless plug for updings

18 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:31:03pm

re: #15 jaunte

Looking at his twitter feed, it looks like he’s moved that topic to the drooling unmentionable column.

I haven’t been banned by him. Thinking about kicking the hornet’s nest…

19 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:31:32pm

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

Hairy bush fruit? I see a marketing bonanza somewhere in there.

20 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:31:50pm

I didn’t realize exactly how stupid Ted Cruz was until just now.

21 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:32:00pm

re: #19 calochortus

Hairy bush fruit? I see a marketing bonanza somewhere in there.

/cry

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:33:19pm

Greenwald has been having little spats with anarchists all day, who think he’s “hoarding” the documents and should just release everything unedited.

These are Greenwald’s fans. They’re disappointed in him because he isn’t loony enough for them.

23 Political Atheist  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:34:14pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Arsonist at a Fire Sale.

24 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:34:16pm

re: #20 Kragar

I didn’t realize exactly how stupid Ted Cruz was until just now.

I didn’t realize that he sounds as bad as he looks.

25 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:35:46pm

re: #20 Kragar

I didn’t realize exactly how stupid Ted Cruz was until just now.

Cruz has a nontrivial educational background (Princeton, Harvard Law). So he knows the art of faking it on college applications and/or is deliberately wallowing in ignorance in order to rile up the base.

Edited to add: Cruz was one of the GOP FL recount goons in 2000. Too funny.

26 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:38:17pm

re: #20 Kragar

I didn’t realize exactly how stupid Ted Cruz was until just now.

Clever enough to get where he is; dumb enough to miss the point of a children’s book he claimed was his “favorite.”

27 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:38:29pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Cruz has a nontrivial educational background (Princeton, Harvard Law). So he knows the art of faking it on college applications and/or is deliberately wallowing in ignorance in order to rile up the base.

Edited to add: Cruz was one of the GOP FL recount goons in 2000. Too funny.

Wasn’t he a Supreme Court clerk as well? (maybe Scalia-I’m too lazy to look.)

28 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:40:01pm

re: #27 calochortus

Wasn’t he a Supreme Court clerk as well? (maybe Scalia-I’m too lazy to look.)

Rehnquist.

29 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:40:28pm

re: #27 calochortus

Wasn’t he a Supreme Court clerk as well? (maybe Scalia-I’m too lazy to look.)

Rehnquist.

30 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:40:46pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Cruz has a nontrivial educational background (Princeton, Harvard Law). So he knows the art of faking it on college applications and/or is deliberately wallowing in ignorance in order to rile up the base.

I’d say neither. I’m getting the impression (particularly after reading this TPM article) is that he’s a really smart guy who thinks he and his ideology are never ever wrong.

Which is why he and the current incarnation of his party need to driven from the reigns of power as much as possible. Case in point: we’re looking at a real possibility of another Republican-created government shutdown, and these asswipes are okay with that.

31 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:41:24pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

re: #29 Justanotherhuman

Thanks.

32 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:42:00pm

re: #30 Mattand

I’d say neither. I’m getting the impression (particularly after reading this TPM article) is that he’s a really smart guy who thinks he and his ideology are never ever wrong.

Which is why he and the current incarnation of his party need to driven from the reigns of power as much as possible. Case in point: we’re looking at a real possibility of another Republican-created government shutdown, and these asswipes are okay with that.

It comes from a steady diet of “Conservatism can never fail; only we can fail conservatism.”

33 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:42:10pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has been having little spats with anarchists all day, who think he’s “hoarding” the documents and should just release everything unedited.

These are Greenwald’s fans. They’re disappointed in him because he isn’t loony enough for them.

You know who else fights with anarchists? Mr. Burns from the Simpsons.

Just saying…

34 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:43:04pm

re: #30 Mattand

I’d say neither. I’m getting the impression (particularly after reading this TPM article) is that he’s a really smart guy who thinks he and his ideology are never ever wrong.

Which is why he and the current incarnation of his party need to driven from the reigns of power as much as possible. Case in point: we’re looking at a real possibility of another Republican-created government shutdown, and these asswipes are okay with that.

Well, you’d never know it now, would you?

“At Princeton he was a champion debater. From there he went to Harvard Law School. “Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant,” Prof. Alan Dershowitz told the National Review. Cruz was a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review. “

Who is Ted Cruz?

washingtonpost.com

35 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:43:50pm

re: #30 Mattand

Sadly, having a leader who is absolutely sure is very attractive to a lot of people.
I read recently that when people work in groups they will generally follow the lead of the person who is most confident, not the guy who gets the best results or is the smartest.

36 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:46:04pm

I’m absolutely sure Ted Cruz is an habitual liar.

37 Justanotherhuman  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:46:17pm

I think while Cruz may be smart, hubris gets in his way and overtakes his intelligence.

38 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:46:45pm

re: #20 Kragar

I didn’t realize exactly how stupid Ted Cruz was until just now.

Nope. Cruz and Jindal test out as extremely smart under most of our definitions. Something else is missing in them.

39 b.d.  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:47:06pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has been having little spats with anarchists all day, who think he’s “hoarding” the documents and should just release everything unedited.

These are Greenwald’s fans. They’re disappointed in him because he isn’t loony enough for them.

Almost makes we want to pretend to be a purist DudeBro and mess with Glenn but he’d fold if he ever thought he would lose the FireBagger crowd.

40 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:47:15pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Nope. Cruz and Jindal test out as extremely smart under most of our definitions. Something else is missing in them.

Empathy, or perhaps a soul.

41 erik_t  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:47:21pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Nope. Cruz and Jindal test out as extremely smart under most of our definitions. Something else is missing in them.

Common decency?

42 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:48:03pm

re: #36 jaunte

I’m absolutely sure Ted Cruz is an habitual liar.

Good training for the 2016 presidential campaign.

43 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:48:13pm

re: #35 calochortus

Sadly, having a leader who is absolutely sure is very attractive to a lot of people.
I read recently that when people work in groups they will generally follow the lead of the person who is most confident, not the guy who gets the best results or is the smartest.

Military dictum: “A bad plan sharply executed beats a good plan badly executed every time.”

44 Mattand  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:48:25pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Empathy, or perhaps a soul.

Beat me to it. I’d say that’s a problem with the whole freaking party right now.

45 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:49:29pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

re: #41 erik_t

First deficiencies I’d be looking for.

46 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:50:01pm

re: #44 Mattand

Beat me to it. I’d say that’s a problem with the whole freaking party right now.

Too true. The one thing that is nearly certain about the 2016 GOP nominee is that he will be so awful that even Mitt Romney will start to look better by comparison.

47 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:50:22pm

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Military dictum: “A bad plan sharply executed beats a good plan badly executed every time.”

So, maybe one of those great holdovers from several thousand years ago that generally worked well for life then.

48 wrenchwench  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:54:21pm

Later, lizards.

49 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:54:33pm

re: #47 calochortus

So, maybe one of those great holdovers from several thousand years ago that generally worked well for life then.

Based on the theory that when all the shit is in the wind, the defense of Troy is just like the defense of Dien Bien Phu.

50 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:54:42pm

re: #47 calochortus

So, maybe one of those great holdovers from several thousand years ago that generally worked well for life then.

Like don’t eat shellfish.

51 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:54:49pm

Well, unlike last night, dinner did get itself tonight. (OK, my husband made it.)
But I get to eat it too.

52 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:54:54pm
53 calochortus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:55:22pm

re: #50 Kragar

Or pork?

54 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:55:58pm

Yes, it’s Texas.

Youtube Video

55 EPR-radar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:56:21pm

re: #30 Mattand

I’d say neither. I’m getting the impression (particularly after reading this TPM article) is that he’s a really smart guy who thinks he and his ideology are never ever wrong.

Which is why he and the current incarnation of his party need to driven from the reigns of power as much as possible. Case in point: we’re looking at a real possibility of another Republican-created government shutdown, and these asswipes are okay with that.

Good point. Blinkered ideological zealot is a likely possibility. Since my education is in the physical sciences, I have a tendency to assume that anyone with an education has had to confront reality at some point in time.

56 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:56:46pm


So the GOP should stop negotiating with Boehner and Cruz?

57 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:57:20pm

re: #53 calochortus

Or pork?

None of you should eat pork,

More for me that way.

58 SnowdenBaggerVance  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:58:05pm

That wasn’t a filibuster, it was a SillyBuster.

Replete with Children’s Stories.

59 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:58:28pm

re: #57 Kragar

None of you should eat pork,

More for me that way.

Speaking of pork - we bought another half-pig - comes out to about $3.50 a pound fully butchered. Down to the last pound of bacon and two hams from our last pig, so the timing is perfect.

60 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:59:09pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Nope. Cruz and Jindal test out as extremely smart under most of our definitions. Something else is missing in them.

Not a shortage, an over abundance of motivated reasoning. The more intelligent, the more confident in their own reasoning ability, the harder it is for them to accept information contrary to their beliefs.

61 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 5:59:34pm
62 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:01:34pm

re: #60 b_sharp

Not a shortage, an over abundance of motivated reasoning. The more intelligent, the more confident in their own reasoning ability, the harder it is for them to accept information contrary to their beliefs.

Ah. A shortage of humility, one of the cardinal virtues.

63 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:01:59pm

re: #59 darthstar

- we bought another half-pig

front, or back?

Or perhaps top or bottom !?!?!
/

64 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:02:08pm

re: #62 Decatur Deb

Ah. A shortage of humility, one of the cardinal virtues.

OK, a shortage. You win.

65 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:02:16pm

re: #61 jaunte

Yeah…nice banner pic they’ve got there. Assholes.Image: Screen_Shot_2013-09-26_at_6.01.31_PM.png

66 darthstar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:02:33pm

re: #63 sattv4u2

- we bought another half-pig

front, or back?

Or perhaps top or bottom !?!?!
/

Left or right.

67 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:02:48pm

re: #66 darthstar

Left or right.

oh

68 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:03:12pm

re: #64 b_sharp

OK, a shortage. You win.

Don’ make no never-mind, as long as they don’t.

69 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:03:39pm

It’s Monday Night..Are you bored? How about a little light reading?
I provide updates of my life here from time to time.. After these many days at LGF and the thousands of stories we have shared..It is a joy when I get to bang out a few thoughts here..
So many of you knew I was close to an early retirement and buying a place in Paradise to move to..Just Winston and I and well whomever would enjoy the visit in paradise. *wink*
The last 5 years of my life has been a mix of about everything..Great Love..Great loss..A divorce..Jordan going to Iraq..Nikki graduating from UC Davis..What a life it has been and I’ve always been open with you lizards telling classic stories of Love and hate and change in my life…You know..Just sharing with you guys has helped me in so many blessed ways..We’ve all shared love and hate, evil and jaw dropping stupid stupid, bigot, heroes and more folks we admire and follow. ‘ve been following my targets and has invested thousands in my new place..This really is my Green Acres moment in time…
About 6 months ago my ex and I started talking as usual about our families and kids and stuff..And it started slowly getting deeper and forgiveness on both of us..We have talked about an hour or more a week..Like on a Sunday Afternoon..Sometimes we have talked for effening hours..We laugh and share..And it’s nice..really nice to be close again even if I still hate her fucking guts somewhere in my heart behind a door..And look..Things were said that hurt..And will never go away..Maybe just maybe we are both just over it and can just..like I said..Just get over it..I remember why I fell madly in love with her and we raised our kids together.. I guess a rare loving family that got just blown up in all our faces..So now…I continue to plan to talk to her on a regular basis..I don’t know what is going to happen..We are going in completely different directions…She bought a great house in the hills of Napa Valley far from everybody in her paradise..Our kids live in and around Napa.
I am moving to my paradise.. We both have stopped in time. All things have stopped moving for us..The world is whirling by like a raging hurracanne and time stopped and it’s calm..

70 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:03:55pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

Good point. Blinkered ideological zealot is a likely possibility. Since my education is in the physical sciences, I have a tendency to assume that anyone with an education has had to confront reality at some point in time.

I know a couple fervent AGW deniers who should know better, based on their obvious intelligence and their training. The problem is, they’re ideologically driven to believe it’s not true, so they are walking examples of confirmation bias.

Add the arrogance of always being the smartest kid in the room, and you get a recipe for really dumb smart people.

Another point - Science is about the questions, and constantly questioning what you know. It’s about the DATA, and the data always trump any argument no matter how compelling, even if it takes a while for everyone to realize it.

Law is about making the most compelling argument, no matter what the truth is.

71 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:04:27pm

re: #69 A Man for all Seasons

It’s Monday Night..

I know you’re in a different time zone, but ,, damn!!!!

72 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:07:29pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

“The world is whirling by like a raging hurracanne and time stopped and it’s calm..”

73 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:11:12pm

re: #72 jaunte

“The world is whirling by like a raging hurracanne and time stopped and it’s calm..”

I would have had it stop on a Saturday!!
/

74 GlutenFreeJesus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:15:40pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Nope. Cruz and Jindal test out as extremely smart under most of our definitions. Something else is missing in them.

Common sense.

75 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:16:52pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

It’s Monday Night..

I know you’re in a different time zone, but ,, damn!!!!

whoa..Time has stopped.. I saw Football on TV and thought MNF. Long day.

76 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:18:04pm

re: #75 A Man for all Seasons

whoa..Time has stopped.. I saw Football on TV and thought MNF. Long day.

I’ve been to Oklahoma. i know they sell calenders there! (even on Mondays)

77 jaunte  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:21:05pm
78 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:23:00pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

I’ve been to Oklahoma. i know they sell calenders there! (even on Mondays)

Shrug..What good is a Calender if you don’t know what day it is?
/Damn I’m exhausted and on a roll here..My inner Bob Dylan is showing..

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:24:00pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

Shrug..What good is a Calender if you don’t know what day it is?
/Damn I’m exhausted and on a roll here..My inner Bob Dylan is showing..

But you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

80 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:25:19pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

Shrug..What good is a Calender if you don’t know what day it is?
/Damn I’m exhausted and on a roll here..My inner Bob Dylan is showing..

Like when you ask the teacher how to spell a word, and she tells you to look it up in the dictionary.

To look it up in the dictionary, I have to fucking SPELL IT, don’t I?

81 GeneJockey  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:25:48pm

re: #79 Feline Fearless Leader

But you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

And you don’t need a flaming asshole to see behind yourself in the dark.

82 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:28:18pm

re: #78 A Man for all Seasons

Shrug..What good is a Calender if you don’t know what day it is?
/Damn I’m exhausted and on a roll here..My inner Bob Dylan is showing..

Calender would be for Winston, not you

The smart, better looking one in the group should always be in charge of tracking what day it is

83 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:34:07pm

And on that note

The long quiet drive home beckons!

84 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:34:53pm

‘Bottled mucus’ may help gut disease

They showed that a mucus was not only acting as barrier between bacteria and immune system, but a component of the mucus, called MUC2, was also calming the immune response.

So does this mean people with post-nasal drip shouldn’t bother coughing it up?

/

85 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:35:09pm

re: #79 Feline Fearless Leader

But you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

You might if you are interested in which way the wind is blowing some place where you are not.

86 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:37:36pm

re: #85 b_sharp

You might if you are interested in which way the wind is blowing some place where you are not.

No matter where you go, there you are.

Youtube Video

87 klys  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:41:35pm

re: #79 Feline Fearless Leader

But you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAKLAHOMA where the wind blow swift-ly down the plain…

88 Carlos Danger  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:44:14pm

Key Nations at U.N. Reach Agreement on Syria Weapons

Syria, the resolution states, “shall not use, develop, produce, otherwise acquire, stockpile or retain chemical weapons, or transfer, directly or indirectly, chemical weapons to other States or non-state actors.”

The measure notes that “in the event of noncompliance with this resolution, including unauthorized transfer of chemical weapons, or any use of chemical weapons by anyone in the Syrian Arab Republic,” the Security Council can decide to “impose measures under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter.

THANKS OBAMA

89 b_sharp  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:53:15pm

re: #86 Kragar

No matter where you go, there you are.

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My favourite truism.

90 EmmaAnne  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 6:53:34pm

re: #35 calochortus

Sadly, having a leader who is absolutely sure is very attractive to a lot of people.
I read recently that when people work in groups they will generally follow the lead of the person who is most confident, not the guy who gets the best results or is the smartest.

I saw that on a jury one time. Horrifying.

91 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:02:57pm

re: #87 klys

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAKLAHOMA where the wind blow swift-ly down the plain…

The rain in spain….

92 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:04:40pm

I think one of the main things Republicans are afraid about Obamacare is that it will free up millions of currently job locked people to pursue their dreams. This isn’t good for big business because a lot of those people dream of going into business for themselves, but couldn’t qualify for insurance on the individual market before because they have a pre-existing condition like high blood pressure. It would also obviously undermine their rhetoric if the law led to a boom in small business and innovation.

93 iossarian  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:45:54pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

I think one of the main things Republicans are afraid about Obamacare is that it will free up millions of currently job locked people to pursue their dreams. This isn’t good for big business because a lot of those people dream of going into business for themselves, but couldn’t qualify for insurance on the individual market before because they have a pre-existing condition like high blood pressure. It would also obviously undermine their rhetoric if the law led to a boom in small business and innovation.

I think you’re being too generous. My take is that there are essentially two kinds of Republicans: rich, cunning ones and poor, not cunning ones.

The rich cunning ones don’t like Obamacare because it means (to some extent) rich people subsidizing poor people’s health care.

The poor, not cunning ones don’t like Obamacare because the rich cunning ones tell them not to.

94 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #93 iossarian

I think you’re being too generous. My take is that there are essentially two kinds of Republicans: rich, cunning ones and poor, not cunning ones.

The rich cunning ones don’t like Obamacare because it means (to some extent) rich people subsidizing poor people’s health care.

The poor, not cunning ones don’t like Obamacare because the rich cunning ones tell them not to.

ACA doesn’t cost rich people much if anything. It is almost certainly though going to cause a brain drain away from big business and into self employment unless big business adapts and raises salaries and benefits to match worker productivity.

96 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:06:05pm

Rollin’ rollin’ rollin’,
dubiety keeps a rollin’
Roll onnnn….

CBS declares:

Globe not warming as previously thought: U.N. report

A new U.N. report on climate change is expected to blame man-made greenhouse gases more than ever for global warming, but since 1998, air temperature has not continued to rise with greenhouse gases. Mark Phillips reports.

97 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:07:50pm

If you’re a rich self employed individual or early retired person then the ACA works just as well for you. A platinum plan can lock in your worst case scenario for all non-elective health care at around $7 to 10K depending on age. If you get the Platinum family plan your out of pocket expenditures are capped at $8K per year, for the entire family. The same family attempting to self insure with a bond can easily tie up twenty to forty times that much money with absolutely no floor to the downside risk.

98 SpaceJesus  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:09:02pm

In which freep tries to reconcile the fact that an American vet who served in Iraq and lost her legs can also be a Democrat

freerepublic.com

99 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:14:44pm

Once the labor pains are finished and the unwanted child sees light of day, you’ll be able to read it here:

ipcc.ch

100 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:17:10pm

re: #95 ProTARDISLiberal

A Whovian in Norway noticed something about the new PM.

Oh, its worse than you know.

Professor Lazarus

Julian Assange

101 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:21:24pm

Errol Morris’s Standard Operating Procedure is playing on the SonyHD channel. Seen it before but it’s a pretty shocking and graphic reminder of how fucked up the whole Abu Ghraib situation was.

102 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:25:49pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

In which freep tries to reconcile the fact that an American vet who served in Iraq and lost her legs can also be a Democrat

freerepublic.com

i wonder how many wounded vets there are in the teabagger part of the GOP?

103 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:31:55pm

I’m getting amusement out of all those wingnuts who are pointing to companies who are cutting hours, cutting jobs, or cutting benefits and blaming the ACA for doing so. Do they really think all of this will magically come back if the ACA is repealed tomorrow?

104 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:38:38pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

I’m getting amusement out of all those wingnuts who are pointing to companies who are cutting hours, cutting jobs, or cutting benefits and blaming the ACA for doing so. Do they really think all of this will magically come back if the ACA is repealed tomorrow?

at least half the time the companies involved deny that they are cutting back, or if they are they deny that it has anything to do with the ACA

wingnuts keep on talking about how businesses and wealthy people are fleeing california because of the high taxes, yet the papers here are full of stories of poor people getting kicked out of their apartments which are being torn down to build condos for influx of well off people attracted to the high tech industry which continues to expand rapidly

105 Targetpractice  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:45:28pm

re: #104 dog philosopher

at least half the time the companies involved deny that they are cutting back, or if they are they deny that it has anything to do with the ACA

wingnuts keep on talking about how businesses and wealthy people are fleeing california because of the high taxes, yet the papers here are full of stories of poor people getting kicked out of their apartments which are being torn down to build condos for influx of well off people attracted to the high tech industry which continues to expand rapidly

I had reached the conclusion by this point that most of these cuts supposedly induced by the ACA have more to do with companies seeing an opportunity to “cut costs” while blaming something that they view as unpopular. “I didn’t cut your job/hours/benefits, Obama did!”

106 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 8:45:34pm

Along the lines of ACA freeing up job locked employees, you California lizards should should know that non-compete agreements/contracts are in almost every circumstance totally unenforceable in California. It’s been that way ever since California became a state, it’s in the state constitution.

If any of you have had to sign a non-compete clause as a condition of your employment then realize that it was a total bluff on the part of your employer, an utterly pointless, impotent scare tactic. The only time such clauses carry any weight is for business owners selling their ownership stake in a business and where the sale also includes the business’s “goodwill.”

107 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:01:22pm

OT, but what are the chances that “Jack the Ripper” was “Jill the Ripper?”

108 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:11:08pm

re: #107 ProTARDISLiberal

OT, but what are the chances that “Jack the Ripper” was “Jill the Ripper?”

I’m not going to rule it out categorically, but frankly the idea sounds massively implausible. I’ve studied a fair amount of criminology, took a class in college titled Murder, and have never in my life heard of a single female piquerist. For whatever reason when women do kill they don’t kill that way.

109 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:18:00pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going to rule it out categorically, but frankly the idea sounds massively implausible. I’ve studied a fair amount of criminology, took a class in college titled Murder, and have never in my life heard of a single female piquerist. For whatever reason when women do kill they don’t kill that way.

The only times I can remember women killing other women Jack-the-Ripper style was when the victims were pregnant and the killers wanted to steal the baby.

110 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:26:08pm
Okay, I don’t like that anymore. At first it was funny but these people are going too far. I ended your letter last night because it was time to wake the MI prisoners and “mess with them” but it went too far even I can’t handle whats going on. I cant get it out of my head. I walk down stairs after blowing the whistle and beating on the cells with an asp to find “the taxicab driver” handcuffed backwards to his window with some underwear over his head and face. He looked like Jesus Christ. At first I had to laugh so I went on and grabbed the camera and took a picture. Again I thought, okay that’s funny then it hit me, that’s a form of molestation. You can’t do that. I took more pictures now to “record” what is going on. They started talking to this man and at first he was talking “I’m just a taxicab driver, I did nothing.” He claims he’d never try to hurt US soldiers that he picked up the wrong people. Then he stopped talking. They turned the lights out and slammed the door and left him there while they went down to cell #4. This man had been so fucked that when they grabbed his foot through the cell bars he began screaming and crying. After praying to Allah he moans a constant short Ah, Ah every few seconds for the rest of the night. I don’t know what they did to this guy. The first one remained handcuffed for maybe 1 1/2-2 hours until he started yelling for Allah. So they went back in and handcuffed him to the top bunk on either side of the bed while he stood on the side. He was there for a little over an hour when he started yelling again for Allah. Not many people know this shit goes on. The only reason I want to be there is to get the pictures and prove that the US is not what they think. But I don’t know if I can take it mentally. What if that was me in their shoes. These people will be our future terrorist. Kelly, its awful and you know how fucked I am in the head. Both sides of me think its wrong. I thought I could handle anything. I was wrong.

-Sabrina

111 A Man for all Seasons  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:42:20pm

Tech News:
It’s hereeeeee! Woot.
Cisco reveals its Internet of Everything router ..

” Cisco says the NCS can transport the entire NetFlix library in less than one second in a full multi-chassis deployment. It converges IP and optical networks in the service provider realm with Cisco Unified Computing System (UCS) server and Dynamic Fabric Automation networking”

Now..we are talking balls to the walls…
Linky:
networkworld.com

112 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 9:57:52pm

This is America (specifically, Minnesota), 2013:

NUACT production of ‘Inherit the Wind’ canceled

The New Ulm Actors Community Theatre’s production of “Inherent the Wind”?was canceled last week due to cast dropouts stemming from objections by Martin Luther College professors and local WELS members over the play’s depiction of the evolution/creationism debate.

NUACT originally slated the play as its fall production with MLC student Zach Stowe as director. The play deals with a fictionalized version of the evolution/creationism debate in the 1925 Scopes “Monkey Trial.” The play is also a metaphor for criticizing the suppression of free expression under the McCarthyism of the 1950s.

The play was not slated to be performed at MLC, but a final audition was scheduled on campus on Friday, Aug. 30. NUACT previously used MLC for auditions, rehearsals and performances.

After seeing the poster for the audition, several MLC professors raised objections about the play’s subject to the administration.

[…]

MLC is the college of ministry for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS), which believes in creationism that teaches the Genesis story as a factual, historical account. Schone said MLC was concerned about making it absolutely clear to its students, WELS members and the public about its beliefs and teachings on creationism. He said he recognizes the subtext of the play, but feels it is unfairly critical of creationism and that most people would only see the criticism.

[…]

Evolution is still too radical for large segments of America. Even if only a college’s facilities are used for practice and not performance, it’s still too radical.

113 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:00:35pm

re: #111 A Man for all Seasons

Ooops, Cisco is a waxy solid, gooey mess, that comes in a can….

114 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:04:04pm

this is a truly (unintentionally) remarkable piece of music

Youtube Video

115 freetoken  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:12:16pm

Speaking of college students and religion:

College students divided on God, spirituality

College students are almost evenly divided into three camps when it comes to faith, according to a new study released Thursday.

About a third, 32%, are true believers. Another 32% are spiritual but not religious. And 28% consider themselves secular.

Researchers from Trinity College in Hartford, Conn., asked students nationwide a series of questions about their spiritual, political and moral values, ranging from belief in God and worship attendance to climate change and same-sex marriage.

About 70% of the religious students were Christian, as were about 43% of the spiritual students.

[…]

That widely circulated USA Today story doesn’t link back to the original report, but I found it:

trincoll.edu

Some of the survey seems to me to be forced categorization and it also relies on word association (i.e., students self-declaring, wanting to be identified with a certain label). Some of it seems a bit daft to me. The researchers for instance still want to put science not with the humanities, a not uncommon failing.

Anyway, I do take away from the survey that the wingnut religious right is losing the college the crowd. The majority who still identified as “religious” supports gay marriage and the right of gays to adopt children, for example.

116 dog philosopher  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:19:30pm

re: #115 freetoken

Speaking of college students and religion:

College students divided on God, spirituality

That widely circulated USA Today story doesn’t link back to the original report, but I found it:

trincoll.edu

Some of the survey seems to me to be forced categorization and it also relies on word association (i.e., students self-declaring, wanting to be identified with a certain label). Some of it seems a bit daft to me. The researchers for instance still want to put science not with the humanities, a not uncommon failing.

Anyway, I do take away from the survey that the wingnut religious right is losing the college the crowd. The majority who still identified as “religious” supports gay marriage and the right of gays to adopt children, for example.

in the online dating world, ‘atheist’ is a choice but in my experience some people react badly to it. the overwhelmingly popular option is ‘spiritual but not religious’

it seems to me to mean ‘yeah well i’m not especially like a christian particularly certainly not a fundie and maybe i don’t even believe in god or maybe i do, but i’m still a nice person who has idealistic thoughts and wants to treat people well and atheist sounds to me like some cynical crank who hates people’

i base this on reactions to my listing myself as ‘atheist’ on my dating profile

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:22:35pm

Well that was a good night. Nice date, small talk with musicians on the metro, and some kicking a soccer ball around once I got back to my stop.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:31:55pm

re: #112 freetoken

This is America (specifically, Minnesota), 2013:

NUACT production of ‘Inherit the Wind’ canceled

Evolution is still too radical for large segments of America. Even if only a college’s facilities are used for practice and not performance, it’s still too radical.

OFFS. We saw this play when I was in 8th grade. But I guess i can see why they object, they don’t want people questioning fundamentalist religion which is what I did after seeing the play performed at Ford’s Theatre. It’s an excellent play for it’s worth. I’m a Henry Drummond/Clarence Darrow man all the way.

119 Kragar  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:32:25pm

Jon Stewart tracks differences between Pope Francis and ‘incredibly fallible’ religious Republicans

Stewart highlighted the contrast between the Pope’s criticism toward the Catholic Church’s preoccupation with topics like abortion and same-sex marriage and the GOP’s repeated harping on those issues based on their interpretation of church doctrine.

Stewart also singled out Rep. Steve Southerland (R-FL) for invoking the Book of Genesis while voting for a House bill cutting the “food stamp” program by billions.

“Work is not a penalty,” Southerland argued at the time. “Work is a blessing.”

“You know, that’s so true,” Stewart said in response. “It reminds me of the Sermon on the Mountain: ‘Consider the lilies — they toil not, so f*ck them, lazy lillies, with their stamens and their pistils.’”

But just as Stewart was pointing out that internal disagreements aren’t always a bad thing, a clip of Pope Francis’ improvised remarks rebuking the worship “of this god called money” set him straight.

“Oh no, now sh*t is on,” Stewart warned. “You better watch it, or we’re gonna end up invading the Vatican.”

120 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:33:54pm

re: #119 Kragar

Jon Stewart tracks differences between Pope Francis and ‘incredibly fallible’ religious Republicans

I say this as a baptized Catholic but when the Vatican is more advanced than you on an issue, you’re a dinosaur.

121 simoom  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 10:38:32pm

What the Guardian reports:
theguardian.com

Wyden and his fellow Democrat Mark Udall used the public hearing to press the intelligence chiefs on aspects of the top-secret surveillance infrastructure.

Asked by Udall whether it was the NSA’s aim to collect the records of all Americans, Alexander replied: “I believe it is in the nation’s best interest to put all the phone records into a lockbox - yes.”

What was actually said (@ ~1h:27m):
c-span.org

Sen. Udall:
“Is it the goal of the NSA to collect the phone records of all Americans? You talk about building a haystack, you want the haystack to be the ultimate size.”

Gen. Alexander:
“I believe it is in the nation’s best interest to put all the phone records into a lock-box, that we can search when the nation needs to do it, yes. And the reason — and the way we do it — and the way we comply would ensure better security for this nation. So the oversight and compliance regime we have is going to be key to that. And does this give us the authority to collect other records? Well, as I noted, footnote number five, the court has said, hold off if you want to do cell site data, or plan to do that, you have to come back to the court.”

What was dropped:

Sen. Udall:
“Is it the goal of the NSA to collect the phone records of all Americans? You talk about building a haystack, you want the haystack to be the ultimate size.”

Gen. Alexander:
“I believe it is in the nation’s best interest to put all the phone records into a lock-box, that we can search when the nation needs to do it, yes. And the reason — and the way we do it — and the way we comply would ensure better security for this nation. So the oversight and compliance regime we have is going to be key to that. And does this give us the authority to collect other records? Well, as I noted, footnote number five, the court has said, hold off if you want to do cell site data, or plan to do that, you have to come back to the court.”

122 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Sep 26, 2013 11:19:13pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

I’m not going to rule it out categorically, but frankly the idea sounds massively implausible. I’ve studied a fair amount of criminology, took a class in college titled Murder, and have never in my life heard of a single female piquerist. For whatever reason when women do kill they don’t kill that way.

Examine the possibility that that belief may be why none have ever been caught…… :-O

123 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:42:51am

MP3 Audio

124 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:47:04am
U.S. military police were targeted and killed by Obama in the Washington DC Navy Yard shooting. Why? Agents from the U.S. military’s criminal investigation units had uncovered a plot to detonate a nuclear device in the heart of the nation’s capitol as part of an Obama government false flag. Officials from NCIS (United States Naval Criminal Investigative Service) and the U.S. Office of the Provost (both with field offices inside the Washington DC Navy Yard) had threatened to arrest Obama for planning to attack Syria without Congressional approval following a planned nuclear detonation false flag in Washington DC. The Office of the Provost is on the second floor of Building 34, One First Avenue, Charlestown Navy Yard and NCIS is located at 716 SICARD STREET SE, SUITE 2000, WASHINGTON NAVY YARD, DC.

DailyPaul.com, giving you a lifetime supply of DERP in one paragraph.

125 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 12:57:08am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Please stop making my head hurt at 4 am.

Thanks ever so much. : )

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:00:51am

re: #16 Justanotherhuman

Hairy bush fruit 毛木果 máo mù guǒ

my name of choice

127 simoom  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:44:37am

NBC Sports Network under fire for elephant killing on NRA show

NBC Sports Network is facing a flurry of criticism over an episode of the outdoor sports program “Under Wild Skies” in which a National Rifle Assn. strategist shoots and kills an African elephant.

In the episode, which aired Sunday night (a highlight reel is posted above), host Tony Makris and a guide stalk an elephant in the Okavango Delta of Botswana — “a mecca for elephant hunting,” according to a narrator.

…

The episode has sparked an online petition calling for NBC Sports to cancel the NRA-sponsored “Under Wild Skies.” The series is not produced by the network but is what’s known as a “time buy,” in which outside producers pay to air content — not unlike an infomercial.

…

As detailed by the Washington Post earlier this year, Makris is a public relations strategist who has helped manage the NRA’s image for the last 30 years. In the 1990s, he helped install Charlton Heston as president of the lobbying group. More recently, his firm, Mercury Group, a subsidiary of the advertising and public relations agency Ackerman McQueen, was behind a highly controversial NRA ad accusing President Obama of hypocrisy for his skepticism over the group’s proposal to put armed guards in schools across the country. It was produced shortly after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

BuzzFeed describes the episode:
buzzfeed.com

In the episode, which aired Sunday night, NRA strategist Tony Makris and a hunting guide track an elephant in Botswana’s Okavango Delta. Makris spots an elephant and shoots it in the face twice, causing the injured elephant to trumpet and run away. “Somebody got a little cheeky there,” Makris chuckles as the animal attempts to escape. He and his guide eventually catch up to the elephant and Makris delivers the fatal blow. After posing next to the elephant’s body with his his “lethal” Tyrannosaur rifle and .577 ammunition, Makris and his guide return to their lodge to celebrate with champagne.

128 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:13:37am

Since Wendy Davis is in all likelihood running for gov in TX, the reaction from commenters over at Politico are just what you’d expect. She’s the “abortion” candidate. All those mythical babies out there are doomed!

politico.com

I still think the old saying we had back in the day holds: “If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”

Alternatively, if you don’t want to be a father and the responsibility that entails, don’t have sex if you can’t have it responsibly, too. Sex can be fun and games, but that’s not all it is ultimately, because we’re human animals, designed to reproduce our own kind. That’s the real physical side of our species, but we are also sentient, and not expected to have it as the only reason for our existence. Choosing not to have children can be just as much work and as taxing on ourselves as having them, esp when the other partner abrogates their responsibility.

Why not just have freely available contraception for everybody who wants it? And protect yourself—no glove, no love. Not just protection from pregnancy, but from STDs which can be rampant with multiple partners. And you are, in essence, fucking everyone your partner does. Just one little slip-up, a few minutes of passion, can change your life forever.

All the responsibility and burden of pregnancy, or not getting pregnant, seems to be on the woman, but face it, it takes two to tango, and a woman doesn’t get pregnant by herself.

129 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:19:18am

re: #127 simoom

Tony Makris: facebook.com

What the hell is that with those “brides” running? Are they targets, too?

What is this idiot trying to say?

130 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:22:04am

re: #127 simoom

NBC deserves to get flak for this “show.” African elephants are listed as a “vulnerable” species by conservationists, and killing any for mere sport is in my book a sin. Even worse, this Great White Hunter failed to kill or at least immobilize the beast with his first shot, causing great pain to the animal.

Botswana, meanwhile, should end big game hunting. There may be local overpopulation of elephants (I am not sure if there is), but letting non-experts hunt like this yokel is a crime. Capture and release, though much harder, would be better for the elephant population.

131 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:26:03am

No big surprise here, but the conclusion of the much discussed UN climate report is that humans are causing global warming.
washingtonpost.com

Take that, LA Times!

132 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 2:43:17am

Very interesting…and a revelation about Hugh Hefner who also could not have a “normal” relationship with women, something many of us figured out a long time ago.

Brain scans of porn addicts: what’s wrong with this picture?

Scan images show that watching online ‘adult’ sites can alter our grey matter, which may lead to a change in sexual tastes

theguardian.com

“The Cambridge University neuropsychiatrist Dr Valerie Voon has recently shown that men who describe themselves as addicted to porn (and who lost relationships because of it) develop changes in the same brain area - the reward centre - that changes in drug addicts. The study, not yet published, is featured next week in the Channel 4 TV show Porn and the Teenage Brain. Neurosceptics may argue that pictures of the brain lighting up in addicts tell us nothing new - we already know they are addicted. But they do help: knowing the reward centre is changed explains some porn paradoxes.

(snip)

“Until recently, scientists believed our brains were fixed, their circuits formed and finalised in childhood, or “hardwired”. Now we know the brain is “neuroplastic”, and not only can it change, but that it works by changing its structure in response to repeated mental experience.

(snip)

“In her book, Bunny Tales: Behind Closed Doors at the Playboy Mansion, Izabella St James, who was one of Hugh Hefner’s former “official girlfriends”, described sex with Hef. Hef, in his late 70s, would have sex twice a week, sometimes with four or more of his girlfriends at once, St James among them. He had novelty, variety, multiplicity and women willing to do what he pleased. At the end of the happy orgy, wrote St James, came “the grand finale: he masturbated while watching porn”.

133 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:15:35am

re: #130 wheat-dogghazi

Botswana, meanwhile, should end big game hunting. There may be local overpopulation of elephants (I am not sure if there is), but letting non-experts hunt like this yokel is a crime. Capture and release, though much harder, would be better for the elephant population.

Botswana is a poor country that needs all the revenues it can get.

“Morals is for them what can afford them”

Alfred P. Doolittle, Pygmalion

134 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:22:27am

re: #133 Sol Berdinowitz

Botswana is a poor country that needs all the revenues it can get.

“Morals is for them what can afford them”

Alfred P. Doolittle, Pygmalion

That is no longer true. Bots has become one of the better economies in Africa, thanks to its diamond and other natural resources. It may help that its entire population is only about 2 million people. They don’t need to sacrifice elephants to improve their bottom line.

135 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:26:58am

My favorite facebook conservative is the one who’s always posting about how lucky they are and how awesome their life is. That’s nice, more people should acknowledge the luck in their lives. However it kind of undermines the message when it gets sandwich it between expressions of resentment over others finally getting something as basic as access to the health insurance market.

136 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:29:20am

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi

The PDF of the “summary” section is now online:

climatechange2013.org

137 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:37:35am

re: #136 freetoken

Nice

138 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:38:21am

This is America (specifically, Colorado), 2013:

From creationism to kindergarten

Creationism should be taught alongside science, some candidates for the Montrose County School District board indicated during a League of Women Voters forum, where question topics ranged from kindergarten to school funding.

The nonpartisan League does not endorse specific candidates, although the state body does take positions on issues. The question-and answer-part of Thursday night’s forum did not include candidates who are unopposed.

Curricula change over time, said Jessica Crane, a candidate for District E, in response to a league-asked question. Creationism should be part of the district’s curriculum, she said. “I think it’s part of science.”

[…]

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:39:04am

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi

That is no longer true. Bots has become one of the better economies in Africa, thanks to its diamond and other natural resources. It may help that its entire population is only about 2 million people. They don’t need to sacrifice elephants to improve their bottom line.

Ahead of Mexico but behing Malaysia.

I agree that they should not be elephant hunting, but I am not going to preach down to those who earn less than where I live.

140 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:43:52am

Botswana also has a large resource of coal, quite a bit for a country of such small population.

photos.state.gov

Climate be damned.

141 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:45:17am

And speaking of carbon:

Norway abandons full-scale CCS project

The Norwegian government is abandoning its project to build a full-scale carbon capture and storage (CCS) facility at an oil refinery and gas-fired power plant in Mongstad.

Norway still aims to have a full-scale CCS facility in operation somewhere in the country by 2020, but ‘the risk connected to the Mongstad facility is too high,’ according to a statement from Ola Borten Moe, the minister for petroleum and energy.

The government is committing NOK400 million (£41 million) over four years to the CCS technology development centre in Mongstad. However, the move essentially takes the most advanced CCS programme in Europe back to the drawing board in terms of looking for new projects to back.

Political instability in support for CCS, coupled with badly-administered funding programmes, have dogged projects across Europe, leaving actual progress well behind the targets set for reducing emissions.

142 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 3:56:20am

Schumann’s op. 98, “Requiem für Mignon”:

MP3 Audio

143 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:13:50am

re: #140 freetoken

Botswana also has a large resource of coal, quite a bit for a country of such small population.

photos.state.gov

Climate be damned.

They simply claim the right to be as unaware and irresposible to the environment as we were back when we were a delevloping nation…

144 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:40:07am

re: #143 Sol Berdinowitz

They simply claim the right to be as unaware and irresposible to the environment as we were back when we were a delevloping nation…

Developing nations see the developed nations’ insistence on environmental protection and sustainability as a subtle way to hold them back from “joining the club.” After all, the “First World” got to where we are now by ravaging the environment. the “Third World” figures why not do the same.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:44:13am

re: #144 wheat-dogghazi

Developing nations see the developed nations’ insistence on environmental protection and sustainability as a subtle way to hold them back from “joining the club.” After all, the “First World” got to where we are now by ravaging the environment. the “Third World” figures why not do the same.

Not that I agree, but I understand their point of view…like asking your kid not to make the same stupid mistakes you made when you were their age.

146 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:46:05am

Kenya’s Westgate siege: MPs to quiz security chiefs

bbc.co.uk

“Kenya’s security chiefs have been summoned to appear before parliament’s defence committee for questioning over the Westgate mall siege.

“The BBC’s David Okwembah says a blame game is playing out in the Kenyan media, with various security agencies pointing the finger at each other.

“Sixty-seven people are known to have died in the attack, while Kenya’s Red Cross says 61 people are still missing.”

147 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:50:23am

You asked for it, you got it:

This chart presents every sci-fi ship ever in an accurate size-comparison illustration.

This comparison chart presents a seemingly accurate size-comparison between famous sci-fi starships. Created by DeviantARTist Dirk Loechel, the chart includes ships from Star Wars to Warhammer to EVE Online to Halo and more.

Here

148 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:55:56am

re: #146 Justanotherhuman

That’s not uncommon after an event like that; sadly, it’s pretty much universal.

149 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 4:59:20am

This sounds suspect:

Miss Teen USA Cassidy Wolf ‘sextortion’ case: college student arrested for hijacking webcams

A college student was arrested Thursday for allegedly hijacking the webcams of young women — among them reigning Miss Teen USA Cassidy Wolf — taking nude images, then blackmailing his victims to send him more explicit material or else be exposed.

Jared James Abrahams, a 19-year-old computer science student from Temecula, California, surrendered on Thursday to the FBI on federal extortion charges, the agency announced. Authorities say he victimized young women surreptitiously, by taking control of their computers then photographing them as they changed out of their clothes.

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Hmmm… sounds like something the NSA would do…

150 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:02:01am

Samuel L Jackson Tells Obama To Be ‘F***Ing Presidential’

HOLLYWOOD ACTOR Samuel L Jackson has criticised Barack Obama for “dumbing down” the way he speaks and has urged him to “be f***ing presidential”.

Jackson questioned the US president for changing his speech and dropping the “g’s at the end of his words”.

The Django Unchained star said: “First of all, we know it ain’t because of his blackness, so I say stop trying to relate.

“Be a leader. Be f***ing presidential. Look, I grew up in a society where I could say, ‘It ain’t’ or ‘What it be’ to my friends.

“But when I’m out presenting myself to the world as me, who graduated from college, who had family who cared about me, who has a well-read background, I f***ing conjugate.”

Obama, who studied at Harvard, has been criticised in the past for being elitist and for not understanding the average American.

Despite his harsh words, which were made in an interview with Playboy magazine, the Pulp Fiction actor is an Obama supporter having backed the president in the 2008 and 2012 elections.

Jackson, 64, also said the president was trying too hard to “relate” to normal people instead of being true to who he really is and said that educated men like the president who actively try to speak less correctly encourage mediocrity.

[…]

What Jackson doesn’t appreciate is the President has a grammar-limiter installed that stops at 10th grade level language - and 10th grade grammar these days ain’t what it used to be.

151 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:05:12am

Speaking of the NSA and sex:

Report: Some NSA employees spied on love interests

Several National Security Agency employees misused surveillance to spy on their love interests, the agency’s inspector general said.

The internal watchdog reported a dozen instances in which the technology was abused and six of those cases were referred to the Justice Department for possible prosecution, CNN reported Friday.

[…]

Maybe Jared James Abrahams can show them a thing or two.

152 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:06:36am

re: #145 Sol Berdinowitz

I just don’t get how you can shoot an elephant and be all proud of yourself and shit. It’s one thing to shoot a deer or elk for food, or even ducks, or yes, cute little wabbits. Or the errant copperhead that’s hiding in the firewood pile or something. But an elephant? And then walk away and go have champagne at the club? That’s just fucked.

And really NRA? You couldn’t find a better way to promote hunting? Oh what the hell am I saying, of course they can’t. Sigh.

153 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:08:37am

Chris Mooney tries to scare us:

6 Scary Conclusions in the UN’s New Climate Report

154 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:11:05am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

The guy didn’t even bag the elephant on the first shot. He and his guide had to track the wounded animal to kill it. Reminds me of Caribou Barbie’s hunting expedition for that lame TV show she did.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:11:38am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

I just don’t get how you can shoot an elephant and be all proud of yourself and shit. It’s one thing to shoot a deer or elk for food, or even ducks, or yes, cute little wabbits. Or the errant copperhead that’s hiding in the firewood pile or something. But an elephant? And then walk away and go have champagne at the club? That’s just fucked.

And really NRA? You couldn’t find a better way to promote hunting? Oh what the hell am I saying, of course they can’t. Sigh.

Maybe he thought he was shooting a RINO, and not an actual elephant.
//

(Odds are that the elephant was butchered and skinned - just that the hunter and guide left that to the carriers and other support staff.)

156 freetoken  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:12:04am

This is America (Kansas style), 2013:

Anti-evolution group sues to block Kansas school science standards

An anti-evolution group filed a federal lawsuit Thursday to block Kansas from using new, multistate science standards in its public schools, arguing the guidelines promote atheism and violate students’ and parents’ religious freedom.


The group, Citizens for Objective Public Education, had criticized the standards developed by Kansas, 25 other states and the National Research Council for treating both evolution and climate change as key scientific concepts to be taught from kindergarten through 12th grade. The Kansas State Board of Education adopted them in June to replace evolution-friendly standards that had been in place since 2007.

[…]

157 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:12:21am

re: #152 A Mom Anon

I just don’t get how you can shoot an elephant and be all proud of yourself and shit. It’s one thing to shoot a deer or elk for food, or even ducks, or yes, cute little wabbits. Or the errant copperhead that’s hiding in the firewood pile or something. But an elephant? And then walk away and go have champagne at the club? That’s just fucked.

And really NRA? You couldn’t find a better way to promote hunting? Oh what the hell am I saying, of course they can’t. Sigh.

The simple fix is in the hunter’s ethic. If you shoot an elephant, you have to eat it. Before it rots.

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:24:03am

Good morning Lizards!

Issues with reading comments from work cleared up (for now) - so you folks have to tolerate me being around in the morning for at least a little longer.

For those of you who board game there is an interesting superhero genre cooperative game out in the last year or so called “Sentinels of the Multiverse”. Uses cards (but not a collectable game) and the base set costs about $40. Essentially the players running one of a variety of heroes attempting to bring down a boss villain.

I also tried the posted slow cooker oatmeal over night. Goooooood.

159 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:26:05am

re: #156 freetoken

This is America (Kansas style), 2013:

Anti-evolution group sues to block Kansas school science standards

Oh, I like this group’s doublespeak title: Citizens for Objective Public Education. It implies that all that verified science-y stuff is not objective because Jesus.

Then, they say the standards promote atheism (How, exactly?) and infringe on the religious freedom of parents and students (How, exactly?) So, if I as a teacher don’t teach creationism, this somehow means I am promoting atheism and taking my students’ religious freedom away.

Logic failure. Process ended.

160 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:27:15am

re: #157 Decatur Deb

The simple fix is in the hunter’s ethic. If you shoot an elephant, you have to eat it. Before it rots.

That’s a lotta burgers.

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:28:02am

re: #156 freetoken

This is America (Kansas style), 2013:

Anti-evolution group sues to block Kansas school science standards

Read part of that article, saw the name “John Calvert” show up, and knew where it was going to go from there.

162 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:28:40am

re: #161 Feline Fearless Leader

Read part of that article, saw the name “John Calvert” show up, and knew where it was going to go from there.

Who dat?

163 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:29:30am

re: #160 wheat-dogghazi

That’s a lotta burgers.

Open a McMammoth’s.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:30:24am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi

Who dat?

Founded the Intelligent Design Network.

165 Flounder  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:34:40am

re: #153 freetoken

6. Much of Global Warming is Irreversible and Will Continue for Centuries. In the most somber part of the report, the IPCC provides a truly geological perspective on the changes that we are causing. It notes that much of what we are doing to the planet is “irreversible on a multi-century to millennial time scale” and that temperatures will remain “at elevated levels for many centuries,” even if we completely stop emitting carbon dioxide. Indeed, the report states, much of the carbon dioxide that we’ve emitted “will remain in the atmosphere longer than 1,000 years.”

166 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:36:26am

re: #149 freetoken


He made a dick move from dumb moves—leaving the computer and webcam on just because it’s in your “private” space.

I’ve always said that the internet is probably the least private space in the world.

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:38:16am

re: #165 Flounder

Got into the whole “carbon cycle” canard with someone about global warming a few weeks back. About how plants need CO2, etc. and that what we make gets used by plants and it goes round and round.

The conversation ended when I said, “Yes, and all the coal, oil, and gas, is plant-based carbon that got collected *and buried* millions of years ago - which took it out of the cycle. Then we dug it up, burned it, and put that extra CO2 into the system.”

I think what surprised me was that he appeared to actually be listening to what I said since he did not respond with some additional dodge.

168 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:42:55am

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Founded the Intelligent Design Network.

Oh, now a bell has rung in my head. I’ve heard of the IDN.

169 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:44:27am

re: #168 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, now a bell has rung in my head. I’ve heard of the IDN.

One of the main groups stirring up the Kansas science education standards since at least 2000.

170 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:45:41am

re: #159 wheat-dogghazi

Oh, I like this group’s doublespeak title: Citizens for Objective Public Education. It implies that all that verified science-y stuff is not objective because Jesus.

Then, they say the standards promote atheism (How, exactly?) and infringe on the religious freedom of parents and students (How, exactly?) So, if I as a teacher don’t teach creationism, this somehow means I am promoting atheism and taking my students’ religious freedom away.

Logic failure. Process ended.

I don’t have a problem teaching creationism in classrooms - in a religion class or a comparative sociology class. Creationism does not belong in a science classroom because it is inherently not science. It’s a belief based system.

171 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:46:14am

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

One of the main groups stirring up the Kansas science education standards since at least 2000.

Yeah. Their name came up frequently at the science education sites I visited. One of the loonier groups, as I recall.

172 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:50:07am

re: #170 lawhawk

I don’t have a problem teaching creationism in classrooms - in a religion class or a comparative sociology class. Creationism does not belong in a science classroom because it is inherently not science. It’s a belief based system.

The thing is, no teacher in any public school would want to address creationism from a sociological or theological angle, because they would be bound to hurt the delicate feelings of some believer or another. Plus, many high school students don’t have the intellectual chops to deal with such questions yet.

173 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 5:54:14am

What happens once they get a taste of the money?

Cuba lets athletes compete in foreign leagues

hosted.ap.org

“The measure promises to greatly increase the amount of money baseball players and others are able to earn, and seems geared toward stemming a continuing wave of defections by athletes who are lured abroad by the possibility of lucrative contracts, sapping talent from national squads.

“It was not immediately clear if the ruling would let Cuban baseball players jump to the U.S. Major Leagues without restrictions at home or under U.S. laws that restrict money transfers to the communist-led island.

“Athletes will be eligible to play abroad as long as they fulfill their commitments at home, the Communist Party newspaper Granma reported.”

174 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:02:07am


Gov. Beshear takes the GOP, and his own state’s senators to task for putting politics in the way of improving the health of Kentucky residents. Kentucky residents who have among the worst health situations of any in the nation; where 1 in 6 lack insurance, and would benefit among the most of any state to get ACA exchanges and Medicaid expansion coverage. Yet it’s Congressional representatives are stuck fighting the past - fighting to delay, defund, and destroy a program that would expand access to health insurance to hundreds of thousands of their constituents - improving their health and the health of hospitals and work towards improving the economic vitality of the state.

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:03:23am

re: #174 lawhawk

Gov. Beshear takes the GOP, and his own state’s senators to task for putting politics in the way of improving the health of Kentucky residents. Kentucky residents who have among the worst health situations of any in the nation; where 1 in 6 lack insurance, and would benefit among the most of any state to get ACA exchanges and Medicaid expansion coverage. Yet it’s Congressional representatives are stuck fighting the past - fighting to delay, defund, and destroy a program that would expand access to health insurance to hundreds of thousands of their constituents - improving their health and the health of hospitals and work towards improving the economic vitality of the state.

Sounds like a reason for the citizens of Kentucky to change their representatives at the soonest opportunity.

176 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:05:11am

re: #159 wheat-dogghazi

I don’t think “objective” should ever be used in any way whatsoever with the term “belief” because I don’t think “belief” itself is objective, because independent verification and empirical data tend to uphold science theories whereas there is far more division and opinions, brought on by subjective elements, in religions themselves.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:07:10am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think “objective” should ever be used in any way whatsoever with the term “belief” because I don’t think “belief” itself is objective, because independent verification and empirical data tend to uphold science theories whereas there is far more division and opinions, brought on by subjective elements, in religions themselves.

And it’s not like people would get all upset if you honestly called your group “Citizens for Subjective Public Education”.

178 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:07:44am

re: #175 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds like a reason for the citizens of Kentucky to change their representatives at the soonest opportunity.

Which they probably won’t. This is the state that gave us Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell, the senators from a time long, long ago. Never underestimate the ignorance of my fair state’s voters.

179 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:09:08am

re: #176 Justanotherhuman

I don’t think “objective” should ever be used in any way whatsoever with the term “belief” because I don’t think “belief” itself is objective, because independent verification and empirical data tend to uphold science theories whereas there is far more division and opinions, brought on by subjective elements, in religions themselves.

Hence the irony contained within the very name of the group.

180 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:09:13am

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

I also tried the posted slow cooker oatmeal over night. Goooooood.

Glad you liked it. It’s adapted for two people from an Alton Brown recipe. We eat it most days now.

181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:11:19am

re: #147 freetoken

You asked for it, you got it:

This chart presents every sci-fi ship ever in an accurate size-comparison illustration.

Here

I don’t see any ships from ‘The Culture’ of Ian M. Banks, but since the largest of those are 200 kilometers long, they really wouldn’t fit.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:12:46am

re: #180 William Barnett-Lewis

Glad you liked it. It’s adapted for two people from an Alton Brown recipe. We eat it most days now.

It bordered on over-cooked. So I need to adjust time down a bit (e.g. start it later), or make a larger batch.

I did a raisin-cherry mix, but think a different combo would work better. Perhaps using apple or cranberry. I also will consider just a dusting of something nutty, perhaps almonds or hazelnuts, if using cherries again.

183 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:13:30am

re: #165 Flounder

I have a feeling this conclusion will be cited by those opposed to regulating carbon emissions.

After all, if it doesn’t matter, why cap emissions?

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:14:15am

re: #183 Internet Tough Guy

I have a feeling this conclusion will be cited by those opposed to regulating carbon emissions.

After all, if it doesn’t matter, why cap emissions?

Maybe we should make those advocating that live in low-lying or near-desert areas.

185 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:14:31am

re: #179 wheat-dogghazi

Hence the irony contained within the very name of the group.

And I actually don’t like the idea of teaching any kind of religious dogma, as if “belief” has to be “learned”, in schools—unless they are specifically privately and religiously run and then they can have all the fun with it they want.

OTOH, churches themselves would never teach “comparative religions”, either, because religion is subjective and each sect the “only true” one.

186 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:14:58am


The UN is now investigating additional reports of chemical weapons usage in Syria beyond the previously reported upon August 21 attacks by Assad’s forces that killed hundreds in a Damascus suburb. Several of these alleged attacks occurred after the August 21 attack.

The incidents also include an alleged chemical weapons attack in March in the northern town of Khan al-Assal, where authorities say rebels killed 25 people, including 16 soldiers. Rebels said government forces were behind it.

The two other cases from earlier this year both date back to April - one in the Aleppo district of Sheikh Maqsoud and another in the town of Saraqeb in the northern province of Idlib.

The three most recent incidents were in Bahhariyeh and Jobar, both east of central Damascus, on August 22 and 24, and Ashrafiat Sahnaya to the southwest of the capital on August 25, the U.N. statement said.

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:15:51am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

And I actually don’t like the idea of teaching any kind of religious dogma, as if “belief” has to be “learned”, in schools—unless they are specifically privately and religiously run and then they can have all the fun with it they want.

OTOH, churches themselves would never teach “comparative religions”, either, because religion is subjective and each sect the “only true” one.

Excepting things like UU I presume?

188 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:16:52am

I don’t have enough counter space/storage space to add another appliance like a slow cooker to the arsenal, so I have to take a pass on them for now, but my SIL swears by ‘em. She cooks entire week’s worth of dinners and beyond that way on weekends and has them ready to go for the week.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:19:51am

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

It bordered on over-cooked. So I need to adjust time down a bit (e.g. start it later), or make a larger batch.

I did a raisin-cherry mix, but think a different combo would work better. Perhaps using apple or cranberry. I also will consider just a dusting of something nutty, perhaps almonds or hazelnuts, if using cherries again.

I find I love apples & apricot the best followed by apple & either raisins or craisins (dried cranberries) but I like the nut idea. I’m out of raisin right now - I wonder how apple & walnut would work?

190 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:20:42am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

And I actually don’t like the idea of teaching any kind of religious dogma, as if “belief” has to be “learned”, in schools—unless they are specifically privately and religiously run and then they can have all the fun with it they want.

OTOH, churches themselves would never teach “comparative religions”, either, because religion is subjective and each sect the “only true” one.

Back in the days before the conservatives ruined took over the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, one of their professors would require his students to visit non-Baptist services to see how other folks worship. As he was one of the moderates there, he was pushed out when the Mohler-ites assumed control.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:21:50am

re: #188 lawhawk

I don’t have enough counter space/storage space to add another appliance like a slow cooker to the arsenal, so I have to take a pass on them for now, but my SIL swears by ‘em. She cooks entire week’s worth of dinners and beyond that way on weekends and has them ready to go for the week.

I have some space just barely in reach on top of my cabinets. That holds large platters, the slow cooker, and the rice cooker. Have to dust things off when I take them down, but it does allow me to store some additional items.

I also put one of those narrow racks usually put in bathrooms that fit above toilets at the end of the kitchen. Narrow enough I can get the pantry and oven doors open (which lie to either side). And the clearance of the first rack above the ground serves two purposes - can put cat food dishes at floor level; and hang cast iron skillets from the rack itself. The higher racks hold some oils, spices, cookbooks, and my array of teas.

192 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:22:11am


GOP screwing over breast cancer patients by continuing playing games with the budget and thinking the sequester furthers their goals of chopping the budget.

Not all spending is equal. Spending on biomedical research is one area where every dollar of research creates much more in new research, products, and health care improvements. It’s one area where the US leads other countries on developing new treatments and techniques.

193 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:25:24am

re: #185 Justanotherhuman

And I actually don’t like the idea of teaching any kind of religious dogma, as if “belief” has to be “learned”, in schools—unless they are specifically privately and religiously run and then they can have all the fun with it they want.

OTOH, churches themselves would never teach “comparative religions”, either, because religion is subjective and each sect the “only true” one.

I have taught about Islam, Judaism, the varieties and differences between various protestant sects, Rome vs Canterbury, as well as talking about the similarities and differences of Buddhism and Christianity in my Sunday School classes over the years. I also teach that even if you take the bible as the Word of God, it is still transcribed by fallible human hands. Of course this is the Episcopal church and we’re heathens almost as much as the UU’s to the far right.

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:27:41am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

I find I love apples & apricot the best followed by apple & either raisins or craisins (dried cranberries) but I like the nut idea. I’m out of raisin right now - I wonder how apple & walnut would work?

Probably pretty well. I make rolled oat scones all the time and the common fruit-nut-spice combos for those are:
raisin-cinnamon
apple-walnut
cherry-hazelnut*
almond-lemon zest

Most of these should work with the slow cooker as well. You can probably also experiment with adding some additional grains for flavor, texture, etc. Perhaps flax or buckwheat. I might give some of those a shot since I have them on-hand and then report back.

*- Nuts are usually roasted a bit to bring up the oils before being used. For the hazelnuts this is roasting and then rubbing off the bitter outer seed coat (if using raw hazelnuts). The issue I have is that I have to roast twice as many as I need for the recipe since I start eating the whole roasted hazelnuts before they’re done cooling!

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:30:05am

Lizard Friday morning discussion - church and the best fruit combo to cook with oatmeal.

196 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:42:15am

Greetings from America’s capital, where a small minority of teabag congresscritters insist on shooting the hostage sooner (October 1) rather than later (October 17):

Washington stumbled toward a shutdown as the Republican Party’s rebellious right wing on Thursday blocked a strategy by House Speaker John A. Boehner for navigating a series of deadlines to keep the government funded and avoid a first-ever default.

Boehner (R-Ohio) and his leadership team revealed the first step of that plan to rank-and-file lawmakers early Thursday, urging conservatives to shift their ­assault on President Obama’s health-care law to the coming fight over the federal debt limit.

That would allow lawmakers in the meantime to try to reach an agreement on a plan to fund federal agencies into the new fiscal year, which begins Tuesday, and avoid a shutdown.

But about two dozen hard-liners rejected that approach, saying they will not talk about the debt limit until the battle over government funding is resolved.

“Quite frankly, I think that’s primarily where we need to be putting our attention,” said Rep. Tom Graves (R-Ga.), who has led the drive in the House to use the threat of a shutdown to defund the health-insurance initiative, Obama’s signature legislative achievement.

Late Thursday afternoon, Boehner convened an emergency meeting of his leadership team to try to hash things out. They emerged with no answers, and no clear path forward for any piece of legislation, either to keep the lights on in Washington or to make sure the Treasury Department can continue to pay the nation’s bills by raising the borrowing limit.

“We’re getting a lot of feedback, so there hasn’t been a decision that’s been made yet,” said Rep. Peter Roskam (Ill.), a top vote counter for the House GOP. “Our members are . . . very reasonable, they’re thoughtful, and they want to move forward. But they want to move forward on something that’s significant.”

As Republicans struggled in the House, GOP hard-liners also were blocking progress in the Senate, where most members of both parties were ready to vote late Thursday on a plan to keep the government operating through Nov. 15.

But Sens. Mike Lee (R-Utah) and Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) objected. Although both men voted earlier this week to advance the measure, they argued Thursday that Republicans should now unite to kill it.

Nobody in his caucus cares what their own GOP House Speaker, let alone the American public, wants. Inmates running the asylum, etc

Right now I put my odds of showing up for work as a federal bureaucrat as scheduled this Tuesday at about 10%.

197 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:47:59am

Dude… bros:

198 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:49:05am

re: #197 lawhawk

Dude… bros:

They can join up to default the debt and bust the budget, too. //

199 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:49:33am

Mornin’ gang…want some entertainment? Go see Kanye West’s twitter page…apparently Jimmy Kimmel upset him.

200 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:50:11am

re: #199 darthstar

Ima let you finish but first…

201 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:51:29am

re: #198 Bulworth

How we end the new American surveillance state — a coalition of progressives and Tea Partiers

Fixed for actual result.

202 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:51:48am

re: #196 Bulworth

None of the GOP caucus cares who is the Speaker. They have their sights set on delay, defund, and destroy Obamacare by any means necessary.

If it means destroying the full faith and credit of the US government, so be it.

If it means defaulting on the debt, absolutely.

If it means shutting down the government, even better.

They couldn’t care about the consequences, only the absolute hatred of Obamacare is their guiding principle and one that dominates all other discussion.

The worst possible outcome for the GOP is that October 1 passes, the ACA begins registering people for the exchanges and the numbers show that millions now have insurance that they previously couldn’t afford.

Will there be hiccups? Absolutely. No program ever instituted by Congress is ever perfect. But the ACA is preferable to the alternatives, which the GOP essentially wants as the status quo ante - no ACA, no insurance to millions, and the health for millions at risk.

203 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:53:22am

re: #197 lawhawk

How we end the new American surveillance state — a coalition of progressives and Tea Partiers

who use Facebook, Google and Twitter to complain about surveillance.

204 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:54:51am

Dudebros probably want the shutdown, think the NSA people will have to go home. But no doubt most if not all NSA workers are considered essential.

205 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:56:10am

I wonder how Snowden’s doing?

/

206 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:56:44am

Kanye u mad bro?

207 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:57:39am

re: #203 wheat-dogghazi

who use Facebook, Google and Twitter to complain about surveillance.

Eric Cartman.

208 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 6:57:54am

re: #181 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

24 km long.

The Tardis isn’t there either, but considering it’s only about 2 m tall, and one meter wide (on the outside), it wouldn’t even be a pixel.

Interior dimensions? Enormous.

209 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:01:35am

re: #205 Bulworth

I wonder how Snowden’s doing?

/

The temperature is dropping as fall approaches. Hawaii seems so far away. Like a distant memory. And his “doorman” always greets him with, “Hey Edvard, you want hear secret? Ha!”

210 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:04:38am

Dear celebs,
Don’t get into a war of words with a comedian. Even low level ones will kick your ass.

211 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:05:43am

re: #209 darthstar

And his “doorman” always greets him with, “Hey Edvard, you want hear secret? Ha!”

That part made me smile just writing it. I just want him to be uncomfortable enough that he begs the US to bring him home and put him in prison.

212 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:06:23am

re: #204 Bulworth

Dudebros probably want the shutdown, think the NSA people will have to go home. But no doubt most if not all NSA workers are considered essential.

Yeah shutdown isn’t going to really hurt the NSA because of just that. But when have the DB’s ever looked at the big picture rather than just being self-righteous asswipes.

213 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:08:25am

Should note that the Doctor Who Fandom is going to go riot mode. Why?

The Grand Moff said this.

The subtext - the thing that’s happening this time that you haven’t really quite seen with the Doctor before is… we’ve seen him fall in love loads of times, we’ve seen him have secret crushes, we’ve had him… we’ve had all of that very much in the Doctor - I don’t think we’ve quite seen him just straight-forwardly fancy someone that he thinks he shouldn’t. He really should not fancy this girl. But he REALLY does.

214 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:08:58am

re: #209 darthstar

The temperature is dropping as fall approaches. Hawaii seems so far away. Like a distant memory. And his “doorman” always greets him with, “Hey Edvard, you want hear secret? Ha!”

Current temperatures:
Moscow 6 degrees Celsius
Honolulu 22 degrees Celsius

215 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:11:21am

What right wing racism?

216 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:13:30am

re: #215 darthstar

What right wing racism?

GOP official says Obama “shucking and jiving” on health care law

shucking: passing a piece of legislation
jiving: implementing passed legislation

217 Carlos Danger  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:16:52am

re: #215 darthstar

What right wing racism?

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Oh god:

“There are plenty of folks who are shuckers and jivers,” Ash said. “There is nothing in my lexicon that has racial overtones.”

218 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:17:27am

re: #193 William Barnett-Lewis

I note those 2 exceptions.

And yes, they’re considered most heathen, esp down south. I once went to a Unitarian church to study Buddhism, so I know they are pretty eclectic in their beliefs.

219 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:17:35am

re: #196 Bulworth

re: #202 lawhawk

I’m really curious as to how many Americans will blame this on the GOP (aka, reality) and how many will go full metal Balance Fairy (“Oh, Obama just as much to blame for this, because all politicians are the same.”)

The cynic in me think many in the GOP are counting on the latter.

220 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:19:46am

Fuck going Godwin, O’Reilly is GOING GOD!

221 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:21:11am

re: #219 Mattand

What’s interesting to observe is the in-fighting among the GOP, especially in the Senate, with Bob Corker railing against Cruz on the Floor.

In the House it seems like a minority of a minority (two dozen, as noted in the Post story) who seem to be wagging the dog in the GOP caucus.

222 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:21:37am

re: #220 darthstar

Fuck going Godwin, O’Reilly is GOING GOD!

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Whut

223 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:22:15am

re: #220 darthstar

Fuck going Godwin, O’Reilly is GOING GOD!

It’s why Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple. //

224 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:22:36am

-9C average in Moscow in winter.

worldweatheronline.com

“Winter season, on the other hand, remains extremely chilly in Moscow with the average low of -9°C. November and December are the two coldest months of the year, when temperature stands at -11°C. Snowfall is very much common during the time. The average high too remains cold enough for the tourists with -3°C. Moreover, the city receives a moderate level of rainfall that can spoil your plan of visiting outdoors.

225 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:24:15am

re: #220 darthstar

Fuck going Godwin, O’Reilly is GOING GOD!

[Embedded content]

Oh sweet lord. When you return could you swing by Fox first and use a clue-by-4 on those twits pretending to speak for you? Thanks. Amen.

226 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:26:26am

re: #208 ProTARDISLiberal

24 km long.

The Tardis isn’t there either, but considering it’s only about 2 m tall, and one meter wide (on the outside), it wouldn’t even be a pixel.

Interior dimensions? Enormous.

Maybe I just didn’t see it, but I also didn’t notice the Yamato from “Space Battleship Yamato”; certainly, a famous fictional starship.

227 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:29:42am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

Maybe I just didn’t see it, but I also didn’t notice the Yamato from “Space Battleship Yamato”; certainly, a famous fictional starship.

Affirmative.

228 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:29:49am

re: #221 Bulworth

What’s interesting to observe is the in-fighting among the GOP, especially in the Senate, with Bob Corker railing against Cruz on the Floor.

In the House it seems like a minority of a minority (two dozen, as noted in the Post story) who seem to be wagging the dog in the GOP caucus.

That’s even more rage inducing. A clutch of about 24 fanatics are about to fuck over approximately 349, 999, 976 of their fellow citizens because they’ve lost grip on reality.

229 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:30:32am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

No, it isn’t there either. It is a very Euro/America-centric grouping.

I am fascinated by the lack of scale Star Wars, Warhammer, and EVE have. Battleship those sizes are a waste.

I’ve been spoiled by Doctor Who. By in large, the ships (Extra-dimensional TARDIS aside.) have been rational in size.

230 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:32:23am

Christie: It’s ‘irresponsible’ to threaten a government shutdown

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

“Christie is often mentioned as a potential 2016 Republican presidential candidate along with Sens. Ted Cruz, Rand Paul and Marco Rubio, who have all been at the front of the defund-Obamacare effort that could lead to a shutdown.

“Some conservatives say they’re not trying to shut down the government; rather, they say their plan keeps the government afloat. If the measure fails, it’s the Democrats who are voting against it, they say.

“But moderate Republicans in the Senate tend to argue the tactic is too dangerous. And Christie agrees.”

Are there still “moderate Republicans” as we used to know them?

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:32:26am

re: #229 ProTARDISLiberal

No, it isn’t there either. It is a very Euro/America-centric grouping.

I am fascinated by the lack of scale Star Wars, Warhammer, and EVE have. Battleship those sizes are a waste.

I’ve been spoiled by Doctor Who. By in large, the ships (Extra-dimensional TARDIS aside.) have been rational in size.

That’s no space station. It’s a small moon.

232 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:34:02am

Here’s what I don’t get: If you’re going to tweet something this hateful & disgusting, how are you in any way better than the racist, knuckle-dragging wingnuts that post similarly nasty stuff? I thought I’d unfollowed all the really nasty libs, but every once in a while one will still manage to piss me off.

233 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:35:00am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

Maybe I just didn’t see it, but I also didn’t notice the Yamato from “Space Battleship Yamato”; certainly, a famous fictional starship.

My problem is that most of my favorite ships are too small for this scale. Even the largest in Traveller is only a couple of hundred meters long and PC sized ships are much more interesting, er, smaller.

Fighters and tramp freighters make for better stories than battleships unless there’s an unshielded exhaust port nearby … ;)

234 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:35:26am

re: #229 ProTARDISLiberal

No, it isn’t there either. It is a very Euro/America-centric grouping.

I am fascinated by the lack of scale Star Wars, Warhammer, and EVE have. Battleship those sizes are a waste.

I’ve been spoiled by Doctor Who. By in large, the ships (Extra-dimensional TARDIS aside.) have been rational in size.

Eve Titans are that big to accommodate jump portal arrays and their power cores.

235 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:36:06am

re: #219 Mattand

I’m really curious as to how many Americans will blame this on the GOP (aka, reality) and how many will go full metal Balance Fairy (“Oh, Obama just as much to blame for this, because all politicians are the same.”)

The cynic in me think many in the GOP are counting on the latter.

The polling seems to suggest full metal magical balance fairy is in effect. The polling in that respect favors GOP because even though they’ve instigated this crisis by pushing completely unrealistic and unconscionable actions are getting people to buy in to the possibility that the Administration is the one at fault for attempting to implement the law.

236 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:36:19am

re: #227 Varek Raith

Affirmative.

That’s a shame. That, along with the U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701) of “Star Trek” was one of the first spaceships of my childhood.

I thought the Yamato was one of the coolest starships ever.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:36:46am

Ah, here’s a much more interesting set of charts that varies the scale so you can get a much better idea of how the little ships fit in.

st-minutiae.com

238 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:37:29am

re: #229 ProTARDISLiberal

No, it isn’t there either. It is a very Euro/America-centric grouping.

I am fascinated by the lack of scale Star Wars, Warhammer, and EVE have. Battleship those sizes are a waste.

I’ve been spoiled by Doctor Who. By in large, the ships (Extra-dimensional TARDIS aside.) have been rational in size.

Yeah, it is a rather Euro/America-centric list. Still cool to look at, though.

239 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:37:58am

re: #226 Dr Lizardo

I dont think I saw the Saratoga from Space: Above and Beyond or the Eagles on Space:1999 either.

240 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:38:41am

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

A small moon is less than 50-25 km across.

That is not a small moon. That is Mimas sized. Not small at all.

Hell, Pluto’s Nix and Hydra are large (50 km+)

241 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:40:18am

re: #239 lawhawk

I dont think I saw the Saratoga from Space: Above and Beyond or the Eagles on Space:1999 either.

Heh.

I certainly remember the Eagles from “Space: 1999”. Cool show, another one I grew with up.

242 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:41:35am

re: #232 CuriousLurker

SgBz is this guy: smashwords.com

243 piratedan  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:44:35am

re: #232 CuriousLurker

Here’s what I don’t get: If you’re going to tweet something this hateful & disgusting, how are you in any way better than the racist, knuckle-dragging wingnuts that post similarly nasty stuff? I thought I’d unfollowed all the really nasty libs, but every once in a while one will still manage to piss me off.

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It’s hard to not respond in kind when you’re constantly being labelled as unamerican, unpatriotic, willfully ignorant, sympathetic to mass murderers, devoid of all morals, stupid, moronic and in many cases, not even treated as being human, all the while watching them march lockstep into a mindset of theocratic fascism that would gladly allow them to marginalize you even further.

Not everyone feels the need to turn the other cheek or rise above the tactics of three year olds, especially when it appears that the other side has no intention of ever growing up, in other words, while it doesn’t help, I can’t blame people for wanting to count coup themselves. I often wonder if baseball bats to knees are what is needed in order to get some attention to the issues because speaking to these folks rationally hasn’t exactly worked well. Those moments pass and I do try to set the better example but they come with the understanding that there are a good many folks on the other side, whipped up by the rhetoric who would just as soon not give me a chance to be the better person at all.

244 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:46:24am

re: #241 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I certainly remember the Eagles from “Space: 1999”. Cool show, another one I grew with up.

But the main premise — a nuclear blast blows the Moon out of the solar system into interstellar space — was pretty weak. Even as a kid, I knew a blast of that magnitude would have vaporized the Moon.

Still, assuming it held together, would the Moon then qualify as a spacecraft?

245 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:46:24am

re: #235 lawhawk

The polling seems to suggest full metal magical balance fairy is in effect. The polling in that respect favors GOP because even though they’ve instigated this crisis by pushing completely unrealistic and unconscionable actions are getting people to buy in to the possibility that the Administration is the one at fault for attempting to implement the law.

…and that’s why America can’t have nice things.

246 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:46:50am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

SgBz is this guy: smashwords.com

Biography

Christian, Grandfather, Liberal, Poet, Humorist: in that order. […]

I guess he thinks eugenics/forced sterilization is humorous? WTF? *smh*

247 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:47:09am

re: #245 Interesting Times

the Administration is the one at fault for attempting to implement the law.

That PBO, so divisive. ////

248 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:48:14am

re: #245 Interesting Times

…and that’s why America can’t have nice things.

At some point we stopped teaching people about how science works. We got the creationist agenda.

We never really started teaching people about human sexuality, we got abstinence only and high rates of teen pregnancy and STDs

We stopped teaching people how government works and got the Tea Party.

249 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:48:14am

KKK group gets permit for rally at Gettysburg battlefield

pennlive.com

“Preston said his group does not intend to harm or endanger anybody and that the klan is not about racism. “We just want people to come hear what we have to say,” he said. “It’s never been about racism. We’re not white supremacists, we’re white separatists. This is about America for Americans. The only thing we want is our country back.” (my emphasis)

You mean there’s a difference? In South Africa, it was called apartheid.

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:49:39am

kittehs at the vet for their spay, so it’s quiet in the house.

The cement truck out back, on the other hand….

251 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:49:41am

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

KKK group gets permit for rally at Gettysburg battlefield

pennlive.com

We’re not white supremacists, we’re white separatists. This is about America for Americans. The only thing we want is our country back.” (my emphasis)

You mean the country you took from the non-whites and then brought ohter non-whites over to work as slaves?

252 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:50:45am

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

This is about America for Americans.

So some people in America are Americans and some people in America are not Americans. OK, got it.

////

253 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:51:46am

re: #239 lawhawk

I dont think I saw the Saratoga from Space: Above and Beyond or the Eagles on Space:1999 either.

Yeah, not seeing it either.

254 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:54:27am

re: #252 Bulworth

So some people in America are Americans and some people in America are not Americans. OK, got it.

////

Because they refuse to see any racial link or connotation to the people they brand as “non-Americans”.

255 steve_davis  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:57:39am

re: #1 klys

And senators from Texas actually come from Canada, by way of Cuba.

256 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:57:58am

re: #243 piratedan

It’s hard to not respond in kind when you’re constantly being labelled as unamerican, unpatriotic, willfully ignorant, sympathetic to mass murderers, devoid of of morals, stupid, moronic and in many cases, not even treated as being human, all the while watching them march lockstep into a mindset of theocratic fascism that would gladly allow them to marginalize you even further.

As a Muslim I see myself labeled as all those things and worse every single day, and it’s been going on for a long time. Pushing back using the same tactics would only further marginalize Muslims.

Not everyone feels the need to turn the other cheek or rise above the tactics of three year olds, especially when it appears that the other side has no intention of ever growing up, in other words, while it doesn’t help, I can’t blame people for wanting to count coup themselves. I often wonder if baseball bats to knees are what is needed in order to get some attention to the issues because speaking to these folks rationally hasn’t exactly worked well. Those moments pass and I do try to set the better example but they come with the understanding that there are a good many folks on the other side, whipped up by the rhetoric who would just as soon not give me a chance to be the better person at all.

Look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, how has the payback thing worked out for them? That conflict has been dragging on for decades on end and shows no signs of changing anytime soon. Maybe the Israelis should just go for the “baseball bats to knees” solution? Yeah, I’m sure that’ll work out swell. //

257 chadu  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:58:13am

re: #2 jaunte

I was hoping Cruz would tell us that the human head weighs eight pounds.

River Tam: The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.

258 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:59:01am


Fun with polling. Amazing that Ruffini thinks that this polling favors GOP. It clearly shows the polling favors the Administration’s position on health care, jobs, employment, gay marriage, taxes Medicare, environment, womens’ rights, and immigration.

On a few issues, the GOP has a slight advantage (within Margin of Error) - 1 pt on foreign policy, and a slight advantage on Israel.

But for anyone to really think that the GOP is going to benefit from the shutdown is deluding themselves - skewing the polls.

259 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 7:59:14am

re: #223 Bulworth

It’s why Jesus chased the money changers out of the temple. //

“Render unto Caesar”

260 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:01:53am

Let’s unravel those laws. NC’s 20 wk law which requires an ultrasound to be made and “explained” to the patient by the dr is being challenged by the ACLU as unconstitutional: capitaltonight.news14.com

Planned Parenthood takes Texas abortion laws to court

tv.msnbc.com

“A trio of women’s and civil liberties groups-Planned Parenthood, the Center for Reproductive Rights and the ACLU of Texas-filed a federal lawsuit Friday against some provisions of the law, including restrictions on medication abortion and the regulations openly intended to shut down many of Texas’s abortion clinics. They were joined by more than a dozen Texas women’s health providers.”

261 brennant  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:09:12am

Tom Coburn. Ugh.

It’s 5 p.m. somewhere right? [sip]

262 chadu  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:11:10am

re: #158 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards!
For those of you who board game there is an interesting superhero genre cooperative game out in the last year or so called “Sentinels of the Multiverse”. Uses cards (but not a collectable game) and the base set costs about $40. Essentially the players running one of a variety of heroes attempting to bring down a boss villain.

I’ve played it a couple times. Really fun.

263 piratedan  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:11:59am

re: #256 CuriousLurker

ty for cherry picking the parts that suited you for feeling morally superior, hope you can bask in your self satisfaction long enough to read and take in the complete context next time. Let me know when you obtain the media network that allows you to spread your kumbaya to masses, perhaps you’ll take a page from the Monty Python “How to do it” sketch as far as the implementation goes.

I get that you don’t think resorting to the same tactics employed by those that disagree with us politically isn’t the answer, I don’t believe that it serves the purpose either but I do understand that folks want to push back and retaliate and that human nature in and of itself, doesn’t always reflect the better nature of our angels.

Or perhaps I’m also a tad to sensitive to really feel that snark tags are simply there to give you cover in your own way of feeling the need to snipe at someone, anyone to allow you to vent your own frustrations…..

or you could simply be a better human being than me in just about every way…. that wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to believe either…

/////

264 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:12:25am

Gah, clients with issue. BBL

265 Mattand  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:14:33am

re: #235 lawhawk

The polling seems to suggest full metal magical balance fairy is in effect. The polling in that respect favors GOP because even though they’ve instigated this crisis by pushing completely unrealistic and unconscionable actions are getting people to buy in to the possibility that the Administration is the one at fault for attempting to implement the law.

Yeah, that’s what I was worried about.

I got called out a few weeks back for being less than charitable about the American voter being stupid enough to keep putting the GOP in office, despite evidence of how around the bend they’ve become.

I didn’t apologize then, and I sure as hell am not apologizing now.

266 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:16:58am

re: #263 piratedan

ty for cherry picking the parts that suited you for feeling morally superior, hope you can bask in your self satisfaction long enough to read and take in the complete context next time. Let me know when you obtain the media network that allows you to spread your kumbaya to masses, perhaps you’ll take a page from the Monty Python “How to do it” sketch as far as the implementation goes.

I get that you don’t think resorting to the same tactics employed by those that disagree with us politically isn’t the answer, I don’t believe that it serves the purpose either but I do understand that folks want to push back and retaliate and that human nature in and of itself, doesn’t always reflect the better nature of our angels.

Or perhaps I’m also a tad to sensitive to really feel that snark tags are simply there to give you cover in your own way of feeling the need to snipe at someone, anyone to allow you to vent your own frustrations…..

or you could simply be a better human being than me in just about every way…. that wouldn’t be too much of a stretch to believe either…

/////

So you went straight for the personal attack and armchair psychoanalysis, I see. My half of this conversation is over, effective immediately.

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:17:19am

re: #249 Justanotherhuman

KKK group gets permit for rally at Gettysburg battlefield

pennlive.com

“Preston said his group does not intend to harm or endanger anybody and that the klan is not about racism. “We just want people to come hear what we have to say,” he said. “It’s never been about racism. We’re not white supremacists, we’re white separatists. This is about America for Americans. The only thing we want is our country back.” (my emphasis)

You mean there’s a difference? In South Africa, it was called apartheid.

I think everything is going to hinge on their definition of “American”. And that definition is going to be full of major logical fail beyond “it is whomever we say it is - and then we’ll throw some of them out when they disagree or we discover they lied about their lineage.”

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:19:29am

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

kittehs at the vet for their spay, so it’s quiet in the house.

The cement truck out back, on the other hand….

I have piles of noise across the street due to building construction. Usually consists of one or more of the following from about 8:30am - 6:00pm
- cement trucks (pouring floors)
- rivet/nail guns (attaching frames to concrete floors and I-beams
- mechanical devices (smoothing concrete and moving frames)

I don’t mind the big crane since it is actually pretty quiet.

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:27:10am

re: #262 chadu

I’ve played it a couple times. Really fun.

re: #262 chadu

I’ve played it a couple times. Really fun.

I described the hero ‘Ra’ to a friend as follows:
Does fire damage. Does more fire damage. Hey, did I mention that he does lots of fire damage?

:)

270 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:29:56am

usnews.nbcnews.com

High school football player dies after helmet-to-helmet hit. Team votes to end season. Ugly comment section.

Given the one player’s quote it is a pretty ugly way to learn that there is more to life than football at that age.

271 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:34:22am

re: #270 Feline Fearless Leader

All those people sound nice. /

272 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:34:49am

He got one thing wrong (well, one I care to comment on).

It’s duct tape and MOAR duct tape.

not extension cords.

273 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:36:53am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi

But the main premise — a nuclear blast blows the Moon out of the solar system into interstellar space — was pretty weak. Even as a kid, I knew a blast of that magnitude would have vaporized the Moon.

Still, assuming it held together, would the Moon then qualify as a spacecraft?

Heh. Yeah, the premise was a bit dopey.

I’m all for the ‘willing suspension of disbelief’ as much as the next guy, but there’s a point when it gets pushed a bit far.

274 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:38:35am

re: #32 Kragar

It comes from a steady diet of “Conservatism can never fail; only we can fail conservatism.”

Naw, it’s Christianity is going to win—or else.

I really don’t think they are even trying anymore to sugar-coat it by calling it Conservatism.

It’s Fundamentalism.

275 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:40:01am

re: #258 lawhawk

The poll in question is here:

ipsos-na.com

276 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:40:23am

BTW, did anyone else have a disturbance in the Force? LGF appeared down for a bit.

277 piratedan  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:40:59am

re: #266 CuriousLurker

ty for reading this part….

I often wonder if baseball bats to knees are what is needed in order to get some attention to the issues because speaking to these folks rationally hasn’t exactly worked well

and then completely dismiss this part that immediately follows

Those moments pass and I do try to set the better example

278 Internet Tough Guy  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:43:04am

re: #258 lawhawk

Maybe they’re just leading from behind.

279 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:43:27am

re: #276 lawhawk

BTW, did anyone else have a disturbance in the Force? LGF appeared down for a bit.

The Matrix was inserting agents, or the NSA was changing tapes - take your pick.
/

280 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:43:58am

re: #276 lawhawk

Yeah there was a blip of sorts. All systems seem ready to go now.

281 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:45:56am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi

I would likely be a rogue planet.

282 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:49:26am

re: #162 wheat-dogghazi

Who dat?

Encyclopedia of American Loons entry for John Calvert.

283 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:53:53am

re: #282 Romantic Heretic

Encyclopedia of American Loons entry for John Calvert.

Yeah, the Cold War is over, Communism lost.

There seem to be people who never got the memo. Some of them are convinced they should be POTUS.

284 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:56:24am

Is it a slow Friday, or is it me?

285 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:58:03am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Is it a slow Friday, or is it me?

Y

286 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:58:07am

o

287 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:58:10am

u

288 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 8:58:13am

re: #285 Varek Raith

Y

ah!

289 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:03:31am

re: #282 Romantic Heretic

Encyclopedia of American Loons entry for John Calvert.

I scrolled through the whole list for 2013 and did not, I say DID NOT, read the name GOHMERT!

The creators of this page have some ‘splainin to do.

290 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:04:11am

re: #275 lawhawk

The poll in question is here:

ipsos-na.com

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I am very leery of these online polls. They just seem so out of whack with all other polling (except maybe Fox News polls)

Look at the Obama approval here at RCP

realclearpolitics.com

291 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:14:39am

re: #289 Bulworth

I scrolled through the whole list for 2013 and did not, I say DID NOT, read the name GOHMERT!

The creators of this page have some ‘splainin to do.

Because of Blogger they started over from the beginning of the alphabet back in February.

They posted Gohmert!’s entry a couple of years ago.

292 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:19:19am

Happy Friday, lizards! A few days ago I mentioned that there was a job opening at a digital marketing agency here in town that was mentioned in a university alumni group I’m in on FB. Talked to the guy who posted the job, sent him my resume, and he forwarded me to both the hiring managers for account management and marketing, since they’re alums too.

I got an email about an hour ago. I have a phone interview on Monday with the account management director! Here’s hoping. :)

293 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:26:46am

re: #292 Lidane

Good luck!

294 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:28:37am

re: #292 Lidane

Best of luck to you!

295 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:29:09am

re: #277 piratedan

ty for reading this part….

and then completely dismiss this part that immediately follows

Those moments pass and I do try to set the better example

Your ‘spread your kumbaya’ remark is hilariously misplaced snark when aimed at CL.

Just sayin’, as someone who knows CL a little bit.

296 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:30:47am

The Senate is voting now for cloture of CR bill stripped of defund Obamacare amendment.

297 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:33:41am

re: #296 blueraven

The Senate is voting now for cloture of CR bill stripped of defund Obamacare amendment.

I shall have to get a flask ready for WINGNUT TEARZ!!!

298 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:34:21am

re: #297 Dr Lizardo

Will 6, or whatever the necessary number is, Republicans vote for cloture?

299 brennant  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:35:16am

re: #297 Dr Lizardo

I shall have to get a flask ready for WINGNUT TEARZ!!!

..and now this goes back to the House. This is going to be a crazy weekend.

300 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:35:48am

re: #298 Bulworth

Will 6, or whatever the necessary number is, Republicans vote for cloture?

I think so, as they do not want to be the ones to shutdown the government. They prefer to send it back to the House.

301 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:36:43am

Meanwhile, in the House, Speaker Boehner is designating a list of hostages for the teabag caucus to burn at the stake.

302 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:38:00am

re: #300 blueraven

I think so, as they do not want to be the ones to shutdown the government. They prefer to send it back to the House.

I can’t believe our economic future is in the hands of the howler monkeys in the House GOP. *sigh*

303 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:38:12am

re: #299 brennant

..and now this goes back to the House. This is going to be a crazy weekend.

Oh yes, it will. The GOP Kamikaze corp is warming up their engines and getting ready to head off down the runway.

304 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:40:44am

Was watching C-span’s twitter feed and it was sad watching all those folks thinking that the GOP is righteous in engaging in overt extortion in trying to defund, delay, and destroy Obamacare as part of their CR, the debt ceiling talks, etc.

They think that the ones engaging in obstruction and who are threatening default are Democrats. It’s asinine. But that’s where the GOP is getting its support from.

Add to that the same folks thinking that Obamacare is communism (skipping socialism in the process) ignores the fact that Obamacare creates a health exchange where multiple insurance companies (private for profit companies listed on stock exchanges like Aetna, as well as nonprofits) offer multiple plans to people who get to choose the plans that meet their needs at rates that are affordable due to the purchasing power of having more people eligible. Government isn’t providing the insurance. Government isn’t setting the rates. Government created a new marketplace. But that’s communism in the eyes of the rabid right.

305 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:44:16am

It’s funny how the ad right below this point (right now at least) is Glenn Beck hawking overpriced gold for gold line.

306 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:45:48am

re: #304 lawhawk

Add to that the same folks thinking that Obamacare is communism (skipping socialism in the process) ignores the fact that Obamacare creates a health exchange where multiple insurance companies (private for profit companies listed on stock exchanges like Aetna, as well as nonprofits) offer multiple plans to people who get to choose the plans that meet their needs at rates that are affordable due to the purchasing power of having more people eligible. Government isn’t providing the insurance. Government isn’t setting the rates. Government created a new marketplace. But that’s communism in the eyes of the rabid right.

THE NEXT STEP IS SINGLE PAYER AND DEATH PANELS AND THEN THEY’LL TAKE AWAY YOUR GUNS!!!!!!!!!11TY

307 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:48:16am

These people can’t be compromised with.

308 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:48:30am
309 brennant  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:49:11am

Anyway… Ted Cruz for Pres!

310 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:50:51am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

They expect Obama to compromise by giving the GOP everything it wants. But they themselves don’t want to compromise on anything. Here, Michael Gerson goes off the crazy train long enough to point out the problems with this.

311 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:52:13am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

These people can’t be compromised with.

Which is why POTUS has already told them he’s not negotiating. He’s tired of making deals with himself and wants Congress to do their damn jobs. And of course, the House GOP responds by putting the Republican Party platform into a bill as a laundry list of conditions to keep things running.

Fuck these people sideways. If the American people had wanted what the GOP was selling, Romney would be POTUS right now. They have to learn that being an adult means compromise.

312 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:52:45am

re: #310 Bulworth

They expect Obama to compromise by giving the GOP everything it wants. But they themselves don’t want to compromise on anything. Here, Michael Gerson goes off the crazy train long enough to point out the problems with this.

He must, Jesus votes GOP

313 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:53:16am

re: #309 brennant

Anyway… Ted Cruz for Pres!

If he thought about some of the other brief front runners of the recent past, he wouldn’t be smiling so much.

314 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:54:04am

re: #311 Lidane

For a lot of folks on the right, ‘compromise’ is weakness.

315 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:56:21am

And yesterday, I coulda swore I read this from Jen F0cking Rubin.

316 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:58:38am

re: #314 Dr Lizardo

For a lot of folks on the right, ‘compromise’ is weakness.

Which is idiotic. We’re being held hostage by a bunch of ideological purists who are willing to burn everything down to “save” it.

317 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:58:53am

When you lose Jen “Romney will win!” Rubin you are seriously off the deep end.

318 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 9:59:10am

CR passes cloture 79 - 19; final vote coming up soon

No votes on cloture

Vitter
Paul
Lee
Cruz
Crappo
Enzi
Fischer
Roberts
Scott
Heller
Grassley
Toomey
Moran
Rubio
Shelby
Risch
Inhoffe
Portman
Sessions

319 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:00:19am

re: #318 blueraven

Portman. Just when I was thinking there might be a sane member of that caucus.

320 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:00:37am

re: #318 blueraven

Primaries for all the other RINOs.//

321 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:01:06am

re: #318 blueraven

That was a higher vote number than I expected.

322 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:01:48am

re: #292 Lidane

Happy Friday, lizards! A few days ago I mentioned that there was a job opening at a digital marketing agency here in town that was mentioned in a university alumni group I’m in on FB. Talked to the guy who posted the job, sent him my resume, and he forwarded me to both the hiring managers for account management and marketing, since they’re alums too.

I got an email about an hour ago. I have a phone interview on Monday with the account management director! Here’s hoping. :)

WOOT! WOOT WOOT!

323 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:01:55am

Ari Fleischer’s idiocy is contagious.

324 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:01:57am

re: #316 Lidane

Which is idiotic. We’re being held hostage by a bunch of ideological purists who are willing to burn everything down to “save” it.

Yes, we are. The Teahadis would have no problem whatsoever destroying the United States in order to ‘save’ it.

That’s why I’m hoping that Boehner will wise up, suspend the Hastert Rule, and work with the Democrats to get things done; if he did that, he could largely neutralize the Tea Partiers. They’re only 80 or so in the House; granted, the GOP base would be on the verge of insurrection at that point, and perhaps that’s exactly what he’s afraid of, as well as the GOP leadership.

325 sagehen  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:01:58am

re: #230 Justanotherhuman

“But moderate Republicans in the Senate tend to argue the tactic is too dangerous. And Christie agrees.”

Are there still “moderate Republicans” as we used to know them?

What we now call “moderate Republicans” used to be called “conservative Republicans”… but all of what we used to call moderate or liberal Republicans are long since out of office, and what used to be called conservative are now called moderate insomuch as they’re not insane.

326 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:02:34am

re: #309 brennant

Anyway… Ted Cruz for Pres!

I’d love to see him try debating Hillary Clinton. I’m not the biggest fan of hers, but at least she’s grounded in reality, and reality is like kryptonite to wingnuts like Cruz.

327 darthstar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:03:11am
328 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:03:22am

re: #323 darthstar

Varek unsure if GOP voters have functioning brains.

329 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:04:10am

re: #318 blueraven

Crappo

Fitting name for a wingnut.

330 brennant  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:04:50am

re: #329 thecommodore

Fitting name for a wingnut.

So is Moran.

331 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:04:54am

re: #325 sagehen

What we now call “moderate Republicans” used to be called “conservative Republicans”… but all of what we used to call moderate or liberal Republicans are long since out of office, and what used to be called conservative are now called moderate insomuch as they’re not insane.

What we used to call conservatives are now called Democrats.

332 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:04:58am

Is it just me or does the new comments button not show new comments counter?

333 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:05:22am

Major whining on cspanchat:
twitter.com


334 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:05:53am

What’s missing from this picture? Okay well video.

boeing.com

335 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:06:44am

re: #334 Political Atheist

What’s missing from this picture? Okay well video.

boeing.com

A superlaser.

336 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:07:06am

I just go to the emergency room when I get sick!

337 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:07:18am

re: #320 Bulworth

Primaries for all the other RINOs.//

Freepers are already howling about spiritual warfare and how we’re in the End Times because only 19 Senators opposed cloture.

338 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:07:19am

re: #333 jaunte

Feel the love.

339 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:07:55am

re: #336 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I just go to the emergency room when I get sick!

Like the fact you guys/gals lost the last election???
BAM!

340 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:08:43am

re: #318 blueraven

CR passes cloture 79 - 19; final vote coming up soon

No votes on cloture

Vitter
Paul
Lee
Cruz
Crappo
Enzi
Fischer
Roberts
Scott
Heller
Grassley
Toomey
Moran
Rubio
Shelby
Risch
Inhoffe
Portman
Sessions

Alabama delegation front and center—they missed Pickett’s Charge.

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:08:57am

re: #328 Varek Raith

Varek unsure if GOP voters have functioning brains.

They activated their zombie-defense systems by accident. Unforeseen consequences.

342 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:09:47am

Watch out for the nuts.

343 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:09:52am

re: #336 jaunte

The explanation points! are impressive!

344 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:11:18am

re: #342 jaunte

No threat of violence here. Only libtards are violent. ///

345 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:12:03am

re: #336 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I just go to the emergency room when I get sick!

Life never happens to those who love Jesus

346 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:12:08am

re: #319 Bulworth

Portman. Just when I was thinking there might be a sane member of that caucus.

Keep in mind this is a “back of the envelope” total as it was going on live. Pretty sure it is accurate but it appears one Senator changed his vote or it was mis-cast. I think it was Cochran who first voted no then it was changed to aye.

347 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:12:35am

re: #332 Varek Raith

Is it just me or does the new comments button not show new comments counter?

Even after a reload….

348 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:12:39am

re: #342 jaunte

Watch out for the nuts.

[Embedded content]

Please proceed, wingnut; I see suicide by cop is going to be quite fashionable for the discerning “patriots” (LOLOLOL) this autumn.

349 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:13:29am

re: #345 FemNaziBitch

Life never happens to those who love Jesus

All you need is Jesus…and 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTIONS!!!1111

350 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:14:20am

All beauty pageants are stupid.

351 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:14:36am

CNN wants to seriously discuss the issues. So, in fifteen minutes they’re trotting out Michelle Bachmann to talk about Obamacare and the Shutdown.
///

352 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:11am

We’re Constitutional Conservatives except when we don’t get our way then we call for 2nd Amendment Solutions and million trucker marches!!!1111el3nty!!

353 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:17am

re: #347 wrenchwench

Even after a reload….

Wasn’t working for me, and then suddenly started working again. Must be related to magnets.

354 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:20am

re: #350 wrenchwench

All beauty pageants are stupid.

[Embedded content]

Yeah the fuck.

355 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:25am

re: #349 Bulworth

All you need is Jesus…and 2ND AMENDMENT SOLUTIONS!!!1111

If I want any more 2nd Amendment counteraguments, I’m going to need a bigger safe.

356 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:55am

re: #351 Feline Fearless Leader

CNN wants to seriously discuss the issues. So, in fifteen minutes they’re trotting out Michelle Bachmann to talk about Obamacare and the Shutdown.
///

Yeah and then they’ll wonder why Americans view Congress unfavorably.

357 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:15:55am

re: #353 Feline Fearless Leader

Wasn’t working for me, and then suddenly started working again. Must be related to magnets.

It’s HAARP.

358 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:16:48am

bbl

359 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:16:49am

re: #332 Varek Raith

Is it just me or does the new comments button not show new comments counter?

Mine is not displaying the number of new comments coming in either. Reloading the page used top work, doesn’t seem to be today.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:17:31am

re: #359 Eventual Carrion

Mine is not displaying the number of new comments coming in either. Reloading the page used top work, doesn’t seem to be today.

Might be a lame hamster there that needs to be put on IR.

361 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:18:16am

Seriously the GOP had its chance to stop ACA. They failed. They got the House out of the lies they spread about the issue. Move on. Instead of trying to destroy something that they knew President Obama and the Democrats will never defund, they should be trying to make it more efficient. That’s kind of what the Republicans in the 50’s did with the New Deal but then one remembers in the 50’s, the Republican Party wasn’t filled with people like Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann.

362 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:18:41am

Fuck…all this drama, just to fund government through Nov 15.
Not even 2 months.

sigh

363 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:18:48am

Meanwhile, we’re getting some more info about the terrorist setup before the attack in Kenya:

A small shop in Nairobi’s Westgate Mall was rented by al-Shabbab terrorists for a year before last week’s massacre that left at least 67 people dead, a Kenyan intelligence source tells CNN.

F0ckers.

364 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:19:44am

Illiterates in revolt!

365 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:20:47am

What’s a ‘comunist’???

366 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:20:55am

re: #364 jaunte

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Illiterates in revolt!

He’s only laughing at stupid hysterical idiots like you who think we can threaten to shut down the government because we don’t like ACA. Didn’t see the Democrats threatening a government shutdown when Bush had the idiotic tax cuts passed.

367 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #364 jaunte

Illiterates in revolt!

At least this tweeter defines himself adequately (psycho).

368 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:21:14am

RETIRE IS ASS!

Rotating title nominee.

369 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:21:37am

re: #365 Varek Raith

What’s a ‘comunist’???

It’s like a communist but only more comedic.

370 Political Atheist  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:21:39am

re: #332 Varek Raith

Is it just me or does the new comments button not show new comments counter?

Me 2

371 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:22:50am

re: #364 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Illiterates in revolt!

Depends on what the meaning of IS, is.

372 piratedan  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:23:10am

re: #295 wrenchwench

not a problem and I don’t have a problem in stating when I am wrong/mistaken/misunderstood/incorrect… which is apparently the case here….

as for apologies, CL, my apologies.. I really don’t see much in my original comment that indicates a disagreement with you but either my tone orthe way that I phrased my take caused your reaction and as such, down the rabbit hole we went.

so again, my apologies as I do believe that we’re still on the same side.

373 piratedan  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:23:45am

re: #353 Feline Fearless Leader

tides, gotta be tides

374 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:24:15am

re: #370 Political Atheist

Me 2

Soon as you note it doesn’t work, it does!

376 jaunte  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:25:53am

cspanchat:
There are some strange fantasies on display about how a civil society works.

377 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:26:29am

re: #365 Varek Raith

What’s a ‘comunist’???

Someone that wants the country to be ordinary, not extraordinary?

378 Kragar  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:27:06am

Daubenmire Defends Westboro Baptist Church Because ‘What If God Really Told Fred Phelps To Do That?’

Even the most militant anti-gay activists tend to distance themselves from the Phelps cult and decry their protests as vile and unchristian … but not “Coach” Dave Daubenmire who today defended Westboro on the grounds that Christians have no right to judge the way in which this church carries out its mission.

Defending both Koran-burner Terry Jones and Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church, Daubenmire said that while he personally might not do things the same way, he is in no position to criticize them because “what if God really told Fred Phelps to do that?”

Then God is a bigger asshole than previous shown.

379 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:27:29am

re: #374 wrenchwench

Soon as you note it doesn’t work, it does!

Sorcery is afoot!

380 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:27:59am

re: #376 jaunte

AM talk radio kills brain cells.

381 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:29:56am

re: #378 Kragar

Daubenmire Defends Westboro Baptist Church Because ‘What If God Really Told Fred Phelps To Do That?’

Then God is a bigger asshole than previous shown.

So if a dictator commits genocide and he claims he did it because “God told him to do it”, it’s okay? I’ll say it here loudly but religious fundamentalism is an illness.

382 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:30:53am

Senate vote to strip the defunding Obamacare amendment from CR

54 - 44

Final passage of CR bill coming up

383 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:31:32am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

So if a dictator commits genocide and he claims he did it because “God told him to do it”, it’s okay? I’ll say it here loudly but religious fundamentalism is an illness.

Yeah. What if god told me to burn down Westboro church?

384 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:33:19am

re: #383 Eventual Carrion

Yeah. What if god told me to burn down Westboro church?

He told me to take a dump in their pews. I mean that makes just as much sense as God telling Phelps to picket funerals.

385 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:35:13am

re: #382 blueraven

All the R Senators. Sheesh.

386 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:37:44am

re: #385 Bulworth

All the R Senators. Sheesh.

Of course. Even the ones who voted for cloture…knowing that was really a vote for, can claim they voted against. They had to.

387 Lidane  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:37:54am

I am amused. I’m sitting here reading John Cornyn’s FB page where he’s getting flayed alive for voting for cloture:

facebook.com

Threats of a recall and a primary against him are already flying. Haha.

388 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:38:05am

re: #378 Kragar

Daubenmire Defends Westboro Baptist Church Because ‘What If God Really Told Fred Phelps To Do That?’

Then God is a bigger asshole than previous shown.

I await Daubenmire to expand that same thought further out and apply it to his “enemies” as well.
/

389 blueraven  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #387 Lidane

I am amused. I’m sitting here reading John Cornyn’s FB page where he’s getting flayed alive for voting for cloture:

facebook.com

Threats of a recall and a primary against him are already flying. Haha.

These guys will get the treatment too…from the comments:

Each of these WORTHLESS TOOLBAGS must be REMOVED from office — for they are Statists who vote AGAINST the will of the American People, and are in D.C for themselves, alone:

~McConnell (Kentucky) … UP for reelection.
~Cornyn (TEXAS)
-Alexander (Tennessee) … UP for reelection.
~Corker (Tennessee)
~Graham (South Dakota) … UP for reelection.
~McStain (Arizona)
~Ayotte (New Hampshire_
~Ron Johnson (Wisconsin)
~Tom Coburn (OKLAHOMA)
~Thune (South Dakota)
~Boozman (Arkansas)
~Chambliss (Georgia)
~Isakson (Georgia)
~Collins (Canada)
~Chiesa (Christie-ville)
~Kirk (Illinois)
~Coats (Indiana)
~Wicker (Mississippi)
~Cochran (Mississippi)
~Hoeven (No one knows)
~Murkowski (Russia)
~Barrasso (WYOMING)
~Johanns (Nebraska)
~Blunt (Missouri)
~Burr (North Carolina) … UP for reelection.

Two despicable, disgraceful cowards failed to vote: Orrin Hatch (Utah) and Jeff Flake (Arizona)….

390 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:44:51am

re: #362 blueraven

Yup, and they’ll be right at this, pushing a 2-3 month kick the can because it’s all for show.

Everyone knows that this is getting the nation nowhere, but it’s going to generate $$$ for campaigns in to 2014 and 2016. You’ve got Cruz and other pretenders and preeners thinking that their histrionics are going to get them to the WH. So, we’ll be right back at this in no time at all because GOP/TPExtortionists want to be right back here attempting to delay/defund/destroy Obamacare, while Democrats want to show the TPExtortionists that they are out of control extremists who put their political aspirations above those of the country. They’re talking to two different constituencies so they’re both going ahead with this.

And the economy will limp along as a result.

Instead of the GOP leadership squashing this like a bug and ending the ACA defund/delay/destroy nonsense and actually fashioning an alternative that includes fixing/improving facets of the program that may really need to be fixed, they’re going along and encouraging the extortionists.

We’ll be into this all through to 2016. And by then, the GOP will be still be claiming the economy has been wrecked by Obamacare, even as the GOP has been courting disaster with their flirtations with defaulting to extort defunding/delaying/destroying Obamacare.

391 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 10:46:41am

re: #387 Lidane

I am amused. I’m sitting here reading John Cornyn’s FB page where he’s getting flayed alive for voting for cloture:

facebook.com

Threats of a recall and a primary against him are already flying. Haha.

Goes to show you no matter how hard you derp, you can’t derp enough for the GOP base. You know there’s someone out there who probably thinks Rand Paul and Ted Cruz don’t go far enough.

392 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 11:33:24am

re: #372 piratedan

not a problem and I don’t have a problem in stating when I am wrong/mistaken/misunderstood/incorrect… which is apparently the case here….

as for apologies, CL, my apologies.. I really don’t see much in my original comment that indicates a disagreement with you but either my tone orthe way that I phrased my take caused your reaction and as such, down the rabbit hole we went.

Thank you. In my original response to you I pointed out that as a Muslim I read & hear things about Muslims every single day that are just as bad if not worse than what the wingnuts say about liberals. Things like we’re all untrustworthy, a bunch of sub-human bloodthirsty thugs, we should be forced to convert, stripped of our constitutional rights & protections, placed in internment camps, deported, etc.

These things don’t all come from the far-right either, so I don’t have much sympathy for liberals who feel the need to lash out, especially when it comes to something like forced sterilization—a horror which tens of thousands of real people endured here in the U.S. up until the latter part of the last century (and even well into this one, if you count what happened in California). Some states, like North Carolina, have paid millions of dollars in compensation to victims of their past forced sterilization policies.

I also don’t return the insults in kind because 1.) from a practical perspective it would only make things worse & make me part of the problem, 2.) I think it’s flat out wrong to give voice to ugly shit like that which can get out of hand & result in real life harm, and 3.) “do unto others” and all that. As for Kumbaya, it has a much deeper history & meaning than the naive optimism that’s typically being implied when it’s used in a derogatory manner.

so again, my apologies as I do believe that we’re still on the same side.

Again, thank you—apologies accepted & appreciated. No harm, no foul. Consider the whole episode forgotten.

393 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Sep 27, 2013 1:49:30pm

This Colbert segment seems to be not as funny as usual. It is as though the Republican antics have gone so far that they are now defying humorous mockery.

394 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 28, 2013 9:13:19am

re: #392 CuriousLurker

As for Kumbaya, it has a much deeper history & meaning than the naive optimism that’s typically being implied when it’s used in a derogatory manner.

Thanks for the education. Cultural appropriation, whooda thunk it? /


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