An Interesting LA Times Piece on the Legacy of NSA Leader Gen. Keith Alexander

“Once-fruitful tactics have become all but useless”
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Here’s a good piece by LA Times reporter Ken Dilanian on NSA leader Gen. Keith Alexander, and the vast expansion of NSA digital surveillance over which he presided: NSA Chief’s Legacy Is Shaped by Big Data, for Better and Worse.

The overhaul, which Alexander ordered shortly after taking leadership of the agency in August 2005, enabled U.S. ground commanders to find out when an insurgent leader had turned on his cellphone, where he was and whom he was calling.

“Absolutely invaluable,” retired Gen. David H. Petraeus, the former U.S. commander in Iraq, said in an interview as he described the NSA’s efforts, which led to the dismantling of networks devoted to burying roadside bombs.

Alexander “sped the place up,” Inglis said.

But something else seems likely to shape the legacy of the NSA’s longest-serving director, who retired Friday: something that Alexander failed to anticipate, did not prepare for and even now has trouble understanding.

An especially interesting note: the NSA’s spokespeople, after years of living in an insular culture protected from view, were clearly unprepared for the radical misrepresentations of Glenn Greenwald and his cronies and were too slow to make their case.

When Snowden’s disclosures began, Alexander and his deputies knew they were in for a storm. But they felt sure the American public would be comforted when they learned of the agency’s internal controls and the layers of oversight by Congress, the White House and a federal court.

“For the first week or so, we all had this idea that we had nothing to be ashamed of, and that everyone who looked at this in context would quickly agree with us,” [NSA top civilian official John “Chris”] Inglis said.

Instead, polls show, many Americans believe that the NSA is reading their emails and listening to their phone calls. A libertarian group put an advertisement in the Washington transit system calling Alexander, a 62-year-old career military officer, a liar. U.S. technology companies are crying betrayal.

The axis of Greenwald constantly denies there’s even a possibility that leaking these secret documents will cause harm to US national security, but the people who actually deal with these issues have a very different opinion:

…Eventually, in five or 10 years, the United States will recover from the Snowden affair, Alexander said. But for now, once-fruitful tactics have become all but useless.

Sophisticated adversaries already knew a lot about U.S. capabilities, of course. But often, “the reason that we’re successful is because people are lazy. They don’t do what they’re supposed to do,” said retired Lt. Gen. Richard Zahner, a former senior NSA official.
Now, Russian ground commanders and Al Qaeda cell leaders are on notice that the NSA is nearly everywhere.

Alexander leaves office not knowing how deep the damage will go. It’s a frustrating situation for a man who made his mark acquiring more information than anyone before him. Officials believe Snowden accessed as many as 1.7 million documents, but Alexander said investigators don’t know how many of those he actually took, nor what he’s passed to others.

“What the reporters have, what the Russians have, what the Chinese have” all remain questions, he said. “We don’t know for sure on a lot of those things.”

Read the whole thing for more details; meanwhile, this article has predictably sent the Mighty Glenn Greenwald into a rage. All morning he’s been tweeting insults at Ken Dilanian.

(He retweeted the next two insulting comments from his sycophants…)

In response, Ken Dilanian had a single comment about this barrage of abuse:

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331 comments
1 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 10:51:34am

Hmm, do I trust a man who has decades of experience in national security or the twit blogging from his house in Brazil on the state of US security operations?

Its really a toss up.
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2 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 10:57:04am
I genuinely don’t mind that @KenDilanianLAT reveres NSA & dutifully serves it - I just wish reporters would give up the “objectivity” farce

“…the way I have.”

3 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 10:57:06am

re: #1 Kragar

Hmm, do I trust a man who has decades of experience in national security or the twit blogging from his house in Brazil on the state of US security operations?

Its really a toss up.
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You’re supposed to see experience as evidence of corruptness. Because The Man is corrupt, irrevocably and intrinsically, Because Um Reasons, and therefore anyone with time dealing with The Man cannot be trusted.

Better to be a lily-white naive precious flower, because though you may have no clue about anything whatsoever, and least you’re honest and excited and pure about it!

Intrinsic Teahadi/Dudebro mindset is intrinsic.

4 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 10:57:58am

Once again, Greenwald claims to be the smartest guy in the room and thinks that he knows more than the seasoned experts and those who have actual intimate knowledge about national security. But that isn’t stopping Greenwald from insisting that he knows more, and is the holy last word on classified data, intel, and US national security.

The NSA underestimated the malfeasance and misrepresentations of Greenwald and the Dudebros. The series of articles that Greenwald and his cohorts (Poitras among them) have been heavy on ink, massive on innuendo and supposition, but light on actual violation of US law on US civil rights.

Instead of focusing on the civil rights, Greenwald and others continue going through the Snowden cache (which Snowden insisted was to reveal civil rights violations of Americans) and revealing all manner of program that are wholly legal under US law to surveil foreign entities, nations, and groups, including al Qaeda.

It’s not a crime for the US to spy on allies or foreign nations (or foreign nationals). It’s part of the NSA mission, except Greenwald has put up a massive smokescreen in claiming some US right has been trampled.

Of course, it’s rich for Greenwald to make these claims considering that he needed assistance in setting up his own secure email system, barely understands the technical documents he’s written about, and keeps getting supposition and fact mixed up.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, will get in the way of his narrative. Facts be damned.

5 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 11:01:50am

re: #2 GeneJockey

“…the way I have.”

Hah. I was just about to post that.

6 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 11:04:30am
7 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 11:06:41am

And just like clockwork, there’s Greenwald’s 8000-word article attacking Ken Dilanian.

firstlook.org

8 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 11:07:46am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

And just like clockwork, there’s Greenwald’s 8000-word article attacking Ken Dilanian.

firstlook.org

How many tens of dollars are you offering me to click that?

It’s a lot, right? It needs to be a lot.

9 jaunte  Mar 31, 2014 11:09:25am
“NSA blows its own top secret program in order to propagandize”

Hey, no fair, that’s Glenn’s thing!

10 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:10:14am

I honestly can’t think of one reason why anyone would listen to anything Greenwald has to say. He is a disreputable hack with a chip on his shoulder.

11 b.d.  Mar 31, 2014 11:10:26am

The world is passing Glenn by and Glenn can’t stand it. Greenwald is becoming Norma Desmondish in his cries to be heard.

12 Iwouldprefernotto  Mar 31, 2014 11:11:29am

re: #11 b.d.

The world is passing Glenn by and Glenn can’t stand it. Greenwald is becoming Norma Desmondish in his cries to be heard.

but is he ready for his closeup?

13 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 11:11:46am
14 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 11:13:06am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

And just like clockwork, there’s Greenwald’s 8000-word article attacking Ken Dilanian.

firstlook.org

Condensed version: Lies, all lies! How dare you challenge my integrity!!1 OW MY BUTT, IT HURTS!!!11

15 S'latch  Mar 31, 2014 11:14:42am

Ken Dilanian is correct: “That crowd” is absolutely “talking to itself.” It has to maintain its insularity to maintain its outrage.

16 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 11:14:55am

re: #12 Iwouldprefernotto

but is he ready for his closeup?

Now, because Norma could at least act classy and composed, whereas Glenn Greenwald can only alternate between smug and enraged. Mr. DeMille said that’s too narrow a range.

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17 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 11:15:10am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

And just like clockwork, there’s Greenwald’s 8000-word article attacking Ken Dilanian.

firstlook.org

When I was in journalism studies the one thing my professor HATED above all else was wordy articles loaded with unnecessary verbiage. He FAILED students for assignments that came in like that.

Just another fine example of how Glenn Greenwald is not a journalist, but a businessman/pundit.

18 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:15:40am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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50% seems like a tad low

19 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 11:16:19am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

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Are there any posters over there we might recognize?

20 jaunte  Mar 31, 2014 11:16:20am
“What is so extraordinary is that the NSA-at exactly the same time it is telling news organizations that disclosing its collect-it-all activities will endanger its personnel-runs to it favorite L.A. Times reporter and does exactly that, for no reason other than to make itself look good and to justify these activities.”

I hope this kind of self-interested whining is not the “future of journalism.”

21 b.d.  Mar 31, 2014 11:16:45am

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

When I was in journalism studies the one thing my professor HATED above all else was wordy articles loaded with unnecessary verbiage. He FAILED students for assignments that came in like that.

Just another fine example of how Glenn Greenwald is not a journalist, but a businessman/pundit.

Pierre must pay either by the word or by the insult.

22 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 11:17:18am

re: #20 jaunte

Is that seriously one sentence?!

Glenn is, outside of his various and sundry other failings, an objectively shitty writer.

23 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:17:37am

Any reading of Greenwald’s articles needs the appropriate music to set the mood

Youtube Video

24 jaunte  Mar 31, 2014 11:18:12am

Recent LA earthquake caused by entire NSA “running to its favorite L.A. Times reporter.”

25 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 11:19:09am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

And just like clockwork, there’s Greenwald’s 8000-word article attacking Ken Dilanian.

firstlook.org

“Experience had taught me that innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does. Innocence is a mighty shield, and the man or woman covered by it, is much more likely to answer calmly: ‘My life is blameless. Look into it, if you like, for you will find nothing.’”
—
Witness
, Whittaker Chambers

26 ericblair  Mar 31, 2014 11:20:18am

re: #18 Kragar

50% seems like a tad low

That’s what I thought. It’s really tiresome to read these kinds of screeds if you’re not a loon on the subject yourself.

To reel in the normals, you need the Washington pundit approach, where the writer spends the column asserting how reasonable and nonpartisan he is, then wrestling pseudo-rationally with the material, and finally coming to the inescapable logical conclusion that whatever the 0.1% wants is the right thing to do.

27 b.d.  Mar 31, 2014 11:20:57am
“I didn’t have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead.”

― Mark Twain

28 GunstarGreen  Mar 31, 2014 11:22:32am

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

“Experience had taught me that innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does. Innocence is a mighty shield, and the man or woman covered by it, is much more likely to answer calmly: ‘My life is blameless. Look into it, if you like, for you will find nothing.’”
—
Witness
, Whittaker Chambers

Eh, for me that quote strays dangerously close to “If you have nothing to hide…”.

If you search through my life you won’t find anything illegal. But you damned well better be producing a properly-filed warrant before you do.

29 RadicalModerate  Mar 31, 2014 11:22:34am

I can hear the “libertarians” screams of impotent anger already on this one with their “no government regulations!” and “nanny state” mantras.

NHTSA to require backup cameras on all vehicles

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration issued a regulation Monday requiring all vehicles, including new trucks and buses, to have rear-view visibility — in effect, requiring backup cameras.

The rule applies to all vehicles with a gross weight rating up to 10,000 pounds — from the smallest subcompact to commercial vans. It begins phasing in with 2016 models and takes full effect in May 2018.

The rule follows an outcry from consumer groups and families that have been touched by tragedies involving back-over accidents, especially those involving children in parking lots. They had been pushing hard against delays in implementing tougher standards. NHTSA says it has been listening.

30 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 31, 2014 11:23:48am

Been trying for an hour and a half to re-install my minimalist HP Deskjet printer on Windows 7. Win-doze housekeeping software is designed to be useless. I finally managed to get the driver, and shit stupid win-doze has been grinding away for 7 minutes trying to install it. It takes the control panel pages 20 or 30 seconds to load. It ground away for half an hour looking for a driver before it told me I had to authorize it to download one. I found and downloaded the driver myself twice but there is no way to cue win-doze to install from a download file without it going through its glacially slow search routine first.
Damn Monopolosoft, this is just evil. All evil at every turn. I think they do this kind of shit just to fuck with people, to rub their monopoly in our faces. A lot of fundies believe Bill Gates is the Antichrist. I disagree, I think he is Satan himself.

31 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:24:00am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

You know who else insisted on rear mounted safety cameras?
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32 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 11:25:44am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

I simply crammed in stick after stick of ram into my computer until, stuffed to the gills, it can run Windows 7 without slowly sinking into the swamp.

33 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 11:28:22am

re: #32 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I simply crammed in stick after stick of ram into my computer until, stuffed to the gills, it can run Windows 7 without slowly sinking into the swamp.

The third computer burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp!

34 GunstarGreen  Mar 31, 2014 11:28:55am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

I can hear the “libertarians” screams of impotent anger already on this one with their “no government regulations!” and “nanny state” mantras.

NHTSA to require backup cameras on all vehicles

Don’t have the time to look over the wording just yet, but I suspect that this is likely targeted towards vehicles like buses and box trucks. Most consumer-grade vehicles already have rear-view mirrors that would satisfy most common notions of “rear-view visibility”, but buses or large vans/trucks with no clear LoS to the rear have to resort to a lot of mounted mirrors that are cumbersome and don’t always provide the best view, especially in squirrely atmospheric conditions. In these cases a backup cam is a low-cost measure that can dramatically improve safety.

When I bought the Prius I insisted on having them install a backup cam (I got one of the lower badges that didn’t come with it standard, higher badges have it as part of the software package on the console) because the car’s unique backend has really terrible LoS issues. They basically took the rearview mirror and camera system out of one of Toyota’s pickups and put it in there. The system’s pretty robust, even has adaptive low-light mode so that it still works clearly at night.

35 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 11:30:52am

And when Greenwald and his cohorts aren’t busy ginning up outrageous outrage over non-violations of civil rights in the US, they’re attacking those who point out his advocacy “journalism” as being anything but journalism.

He’s advocating, not reporting. Huge difference.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 31, 2014 11:31:12am

Finally gave up and used ctl/alt/del to close the installation window after 16 minutes of grinding. Fuck Monopolosoft and its idiots anyway. I’ll buy another printer, install it from disk, and park the HP until I get a different OS.

37 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 11:31:37am

re: #28 GunstarGreen

Eh, for me that quote strays dangerously close to “If you have nothing to hide…”.

If you search through my life you won’t find anything illegal. But you damned well better be producing a properly-filed warrant before you do.

I can see that, but that really wasn’t what Chambers was getting at. What he was pointing out was that people who did not do what they are accused of tend not to go on the attack and fling counter-accusations or try to destroy the person who made the accusation. They are more likely to focus upon their innocence.

One interesting situation to examine regarding such maxims is a that of a person who is not guilty of the thing they have been accused of doing but nevertheless wants to head off investigation that would likely reveal an wrong, unknown to the investigators, that the accused actually has committed.

38 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 11:33:15am

re: #33 Testy Toad T

The third computer burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp!

BUT THE FOURTH ONE… BOOTED UP.

And that’s what you’re going to get, lad, the strongest computer in all of England.

39 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 11:34:36am

I also feel that every other aspect of computer technology has improved over the past twenty years except printers.

I have wireless headphones, voice activation for my computer’s media stuff, I watch movies in HD, the search function works quickly and well, if I plug in my camera it imports my photos fine, but if I buy a new printer it basically is just prayer and sobbing as I reinstall the driver over and over and over.

My current printer when I updated the driver stopped working, had to roll it back.

40 RadicalModerate  Mar 31, 2014 11:36:46am

re: #31 Kragar

You know who else insisted on rear mounted safety cameras?
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I’m surprised that it took this long to require it as standard equipment. The price of digital cameras is negligible nowdays - parts and vehicle changes to accommodate new hardware would run about $100/vehicle, and the latest body designs, especially for trucks and SUV’s historically have severe ‘blind spot’ issues that these cameras would easily address.

41 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 11:37:09am

re: #34 GunstarGreen

It would apply to all vehicles with limited visibility when in reverse, including passenger cars, SUVs, and light trucks and buses under 10,000lbs.

Rear-view mirrors are insufficient to provide a clear view directly behind vehicles, especially those with a high trunk deck or obstructed rear view. The camera option is the best option to fulfill the rule with present technology.

The rationale for the rule is sound:

Our assessment of available safety data indicates that on average there are 292 fatalities and 18,000 injuries (3,000 of which we judge to be incapacitating2) resulting from backover crashes every year. Of those, 228 fatalities and 17,000 injures were attributed to backover crashes involving light vehicles (passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, buses, and low-speed vehicles) with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 10,000 pounds or less.

In analyzing the data, we made several tentative findings. First, many of these incidents occur off public roadways, in areas such as driveways and parking lots and involve parents (or caregivers) accidentally backing over children. Second, children under five years of age represent approximately 44 percent of the fatalities, which we believe to be a uniquely high percentage for a particular crash mode. Third and finally, when pickups and multipurpose passenger vehicles strike a pedestrian in a backover crash, the incident is four times more likely to result in a fatality than if the striking vehicle were a passenger car.

42 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 11:37:13am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

I can hear the “libertarians” screams of impotent anger already on this one with their “no government regulations!” and “nanny state” mantras.

NHTSA to require backup cameras on all vehicles

My new car has a rear view camera. It is so cool that I can back up without having to twist my neck looking over my shoulder. Of course it is a hard habit to get out of.

Also: blind spot sensors on the driver & passenger side mirrors. My previous vehicle had an insert “blind spot mirror” but the sensors are even better!

This car has just about every toy on it, but not a dash cam (that I know of).

43 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 11:37:33am

re: #39 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I also feel that every other aspect of computer technology has improved over the past twenty years except printers.

I have wireless headphones, voice activation for my computer’s media stuff, I watch movies in HD, the search function works quickly and well, if I plug in my camera it imports my photos fine, but if I buy a new computer it basically is just prayer and sobbing as I reinstall the driver over and over and over.

My current printer when I updated the driver stopped working, had to roll it back.

On the plus side, they no longer go “gZEEEEK,gZEEEEK,gZEEEEK”.

44 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:39:19am

The good news: The neighbors from hell lost their court case and were told they had to be out of the apartment by today.

The bad news: as of this morning, they have done zero packing, no signs of a moving truck, nothing.

WTF is wrong with some people?

45 danarchy  Mar 31, 2014 11:39:40am

The thing with printers that drives me nuts is when they don’t provide a simple printer driver and you have to download a 300Mb suite of printer stuff. This especially sucks when you are just trying to install a driver on a terminal server or something and you don’t want to install the whole damn suite. You have to play all sorts of games to just extract the driver from the install package. Seriously, I just want to print, I don’t want you monitoring my toner level, or giving me some silly popup every time I print. I don’t want the fax and scanning software… just give me a basic damn driver.

46 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 11:39:48am

re: #39 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I also feel that every other aspect of computer technology has improved over the past twenty years except printers.

Here’s my theory.

Printers have the blessing/curse of not pushing very much data, really, compared to anything else. Even if you’re printing a full page full-color, you’re probably talking about single-digit megabytes of data per page. And given how fast printers are physically able to print, you can get away with very slow and stupid interfaces.

Compare and contrast with modern monitor interconnects, like HDMI or DVI. VGA just couldn’t push data fast enough to realistically handle more than, oh, 1024x768 at 60Hz. You need to come up with new interfaces, which radically and fundamentally break backwards-compatibility. Once you’ve broken the compatibility on the hardware level, you can throw away a lot of old crufty bullshit code, because the only peripherals that would use that code can’t plug in anyway.

If printers had been forced away from parallel ports in 1995 or so, because they just couldn’t keep up, I bet we’d be in some sort of magical fairyland paradise now. Imagine, if you will, a printer that just has an Ethernet jack on it. You send PDFs, always PDFs, to the printer, and it just spits out WYSIWYG. It can handle that because it’s got a phone microprocessor, or something, inside it. It doesn’t have the dreadful archaic internal architecture of the printers that curse us, even today, in 2014.

Just say no to parallel ports.

47 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:40:13am

re: #43 GeneJockey

On the plus side, they no longer go “gZEEEEK,gZEEEEK,gZEEEEK”.

Bring back the perforated sheets with the eyelet feeds!

48 RadicalModerate  Mar 31, 2014 11:42:14am

re: #29 RadicalModerate

I can hear the “libertarians” screams of impotent anger already on this one with their “no government regulations!” and “nanny state” mantras.

NHTSA to require backup cameras on all vehicles

The press release for the new regulations is now up on the NHTSA website:

nhtsa.gov

49 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2014 11:42:32am

re: #9 jaunte
“NSA blows its own top secret program in order to propagandize”

Hey, no fair, that’s Glenn’s thing!

Because I know that there is no way the NSA has a process that any public announcement has to go through to be scrubbed, to make sure that information isn’t disclosed that would harm national security. Just like Glenn does.

RBS

50 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 11:48:36am
51 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2014 11:49:04am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel

Windows is on the “never again” list for me. I have one machine running XP for my son and that’s it. Everything else is a unixen of some sort.

52 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 11:49:23am

re: #47 Kragar

Bring back the perforated sheets with the eyelet feeds!

I spent the first 5 years of my career at Genentech with the green-and-not-as-green fanfold paper. We had an HIV viral sequence all annotated by hand that was our go-to reference for all kinds of stuff, since there was no way to annotate the sequence on the computer in 1985. It was handled gingerly, kind of like how they probably handle the Constitution at the national Archives.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 11:49:45am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

Finally gave up and used ctl/alt/del to close the installation window after 16 minutes of grinding. Fuck Monopolosoft and its idiots anyway. I’ll buy another printer, install it from disk, and park the HP until I get a different OS.

Just make sure to turn on the HP every once in a while to clean the heads and/or make copies of something. You don’t want the ink to clog up the lines and jets because, given any chance to do so, that will happen (says a person who has a number of printers that are now paperweights…)

54 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 11:52:18am

re: #50 Kragar

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That’s not good. Prepare to Russia’s move to provide security.

55 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 11:53:16am

Duke Farms bald eagle cam is up and showing 2 of the 3 hatchlings; the 3d should arrive any day now.

dukefarms.org

56 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 11:53:36am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

That’s not good. Prepare to Russia’s move to provide security.

Envelope pushing 101!

57 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 11:55:58am

re: #56 sattv4u2

Envelope pushing 101!

Provokatsiya!
Understanding Provocation

One of the most powerful tools the Kremlin has in its secret arsenal of Special War is provocation, what they call provokatsiya. While Moscow cannot claim to have invented this technique, which has existed as long as there have been secret services, there’s no doubt that Russians have perfected the art and taken it to a whole new level of sophistication and deviousness. At times, it can become a strategy all on its own (not always, mind you, with edifying results).

Provokatsiya simply means taking control of your enemies in secret and encouraging them to do things that discredit them and help you. You plant your own agents provocateurs and flip legitimate activists, turning them to your side. When you’re dealing with extremists to start with, getting them to do crazy, self-defeating things isn’t often difficult. In some cases, you simply create extremists and terrorists where they don’t exist. This is causing problems in order to solve them, and since the Tsarist period, Russian intelligence has been known to do just that.

58 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 11:59:27am

re: #50 Kragar

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Hmmmm. That has kind of a Sarajevo smell about it….

And it is a century later…

59 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 12:01:46pm

re: #58 GeneJockey

Hmmmm. That has kind of a Sarajevo smell about it….

Archduke Ferdinand unavailable for comment

60 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 12:04:00pm

Maybe he just criticized plot holes in the Walking dead. People get touchy about that, things happen

61 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 12:04:23pm

ouch

62 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 12:06:14pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Maybe he just criticized plot holes in the Walking dead. People get touchy about that, things happen

Especially when one of the ‘plot holes’ is just the person not actually paying any attention to or using basic logic when watching the episode, you poor persecuted flower, you.

63 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 12:09:51pm

ouch

64 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 31, 2014 12:13:59pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Maybe he just criticized plot holes in the Walking dead. People get touchy about that, things happen

THERE ARE NO PLOT HOLES IN THE WALKING DEAD!! WHAT ARE YOU? A SUBVERSIVE, A SABOTEUR, OR WORSE, A MICROSOFT CODE WRITER? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

65 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 12:15:27pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

Too many plot holes.
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66 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 12:16:06pm

ALSO: LOTS OF HELP FROM FRANCE, WHICH THEN CAUSED THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR RULING CLASS.

67 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 12:17:14pm

re: #64 Shiplord Kirel

THERE ARE NO PLOT HOLES IN THE WALKING DEAD!! WHAT ARE YOU? A SUBVERSIVE, A SABOTEUR, OR WORSE, A MICROSOFT CODE WRITER? WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?

I forget who it was, but one media theorist has the approach that all narratives, no matter how inconsistent-appearing, must actually be consistent in their own reality. So when Darrin changed to another person, well, that’s easy because that universe has actual magic. For a lot of narratives, where people just act fucking weird all the time, like horror movies, the explanation is these people are fundamentally different than us, that we are actually looking at an alternate universe, normally with much stupider people but often also people with ESP.

The movie Arlington Road, for example, doesn’t make any sense unless Tim Robbins character is telepathic and clairvoyant: his entire plan involves perfectly predicting Jeff Bridges’ actions and the time at which they’ll occur.

68 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 12:21:05pm

re: #67 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

I forget who it was, but one media theorist has the approach that all narratives, no matter how inconsistent-appearing, must actually be consistent in their own reality. So when Darrin changed to another person, well, that’s easy because that universe has actual magic. For a lot of narratives, where people just act fucking weird all the time, like horror movies, the explanation is these people are fundamentally different than us, that we are actually looking at an alternate universe, normally with much stupider people but often also people with ESP.

The movie Arlington Road, for example, doesn’t make any sense unless Tim Robbins character is telepathic and clairvoyant: his entire plan involves perfectly predicting Jeff Bridges’ actions and the time at which they’ll occur.

Don’t get me started on how ridiculous the Batman movies are: why The Joker does unpredictable shit that will turn out badly for him NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE ELSE DOES, or why Bane is really nothing but a drug-addicted wuss.

69 b.d.  Mar 31, 2014 12:21:16pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

ALSO: LOTS OF HELP FROM FRANCE, WHICH THEN CAUSED THE DESTRUCTION OF THEIR RULING CLASS.

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8,000 US troops died in the entirety of the US revolutionary war.

Freedom isn’t free but it wasn’t as expensive as they misremember it.

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 12:21:18pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

Because nobody ever uses knives or bombs in war anymore.

71 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 12:21:46pm

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

Because nobody ever uses knives or bombs in war anymore.

Or planes, or drones.

72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 12:22:29pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

It took a well organized militia and a government-run army. Guns alone don’t to the trick. But do not tamper with the Myth: they see the revolution as being won by a bunch of minutemen hiding behind rocks and trees with their squirrel guns.

73 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 12:24:45pm

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It took a well organized militia and a government-run army. Guns alone don’t to the trick. But do not tamper with the Myth: they see the revolution as being won by a bunch of minutemen hiding behind rocks and trees with their squirrel guns.

That worked up to a point but them the colonials were getting mowed down in actual battle formations because they lacked the military discipline of the trained redcoats and their German mercenaries. It took a Prussian general to teach them actual warfare.

74 b.d.  Mar 31, 2014 12:25:13pm

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It took a well organized militia and a government-run army. Guns alone don’t to the trick. But do not tamper with the Myth: they see the revolution as being won by a bunch of minutemen hiding behind rocks and trees with their squirrel guns.

A well regulated militia…

Words always forgotten.

75 Lidane  Mar 31, 2014 12:26:15pm

OT, but Google has done it again for April Fool’s Day. :D

Step 1: Go to Google Maps on your phone.

Step 2: Click in the Search bar.

Step 3: Press Start.

Step 4: Catch ‘em all!

76 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 12:26:21pm

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

A gay prussian general.

77 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 12:27:28pm

re: #74 b.d.

A >well regulated militia…

Words always forgotten.

That is the part of the Second Amendment that they blithely ignore when they start invoking the Sacred Talisman of the Armed Population.

78 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 12:27:52pm

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

Sep 30, 1776: Washington blames militia for problems

Just as the British had discovered the difficulties of waging war with obstreperous Yankees for soldiers during the Seven Years’ War, Washington, the Virginia planter-cum-soldier, was unimpressed upon meeting his supposed army outside Boston upon his appointment as commander in chief of Continental forces in 1775. Just as the British had, he saw “stupidity” among the enlisted men, who were used to the easy familiarity of being commanded by neighbors in local militias with elected officers. Washington promptly insisted that the officers behave with decorum and the enlisted men with deference. Although he enjoyed some success with this original army, the New Englanders went home to their farms at the end of 1775, and Washington had to start fresh with new recruits in 1776.

Washington fought an uphill battle for military order until Friedrich, Freiherr von Steuben arrived at General Washington’s encampment at Valley Forge on February 23, 1778. The Prussian military officer commenced training soldiers in close-order drill, instilling new confidence and discipline in the demoralized Continental Army. Before von Steuben’s arrival, colonial American soldiers were notorious for their slovenly camp conditions. Von Steuben insisted on reorganization to establish basic hygiene, ordering that kitchens and latrines be put on opposite sides of the camp, with latrines facing a downhill slope. Just having latrines was a novelty to the Continental troops, who were accustomed to living in their own filth.

79 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 12:28:22pm

re: #76 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

A gay prussian general.

Well, that explains this:

80 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 12:28:45pm

re: #79 Pie-onist Overlord

Oh myyyyyy.

81 Shiplord Kirel  Mar 31, 2014 12:30:34pm

re: #79 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, that explains this:
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Fabulous!

82 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 12:35:02pm

re: #73 Pie-onist Overlord

That worked up to a point but them the colonials were getting mowed down in actual battle formations because they lacked the military discipline of the trained redcoats and their German mercenaries. It took a Prussian general to teach them actual warfare.

It says something when even The Patriot, the movie wingnuts like to fantasize as being the absolute truth when it came to the wonders of the militia against the redcoats, still had to acknowledge that militia broke and run when it actually had to meet more than a handful of enemy soldiers at once and scattered like roaches when cannons were involved.

83 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 12:40:54pm
84 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 12:43:49pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

It says something when even The Patriot, the movie wingnuts like to fantasize as being the absolute truth when it came to the wonders of the militia against the redcoats, still had to acknowledge that militia broke and run when it actually had to meet more than a handful of enemy soldiers at once and scattered like roaches when cannons were involved.

They had neither bayonets nor the training to stand and fight. The only militia to stand and fight for more than two volleys was the 2nd line at Guildford Courthouse. Those militiamen, however, were mostly former Continental regulars from Virginia and Maryland who had been trained by Gen. von Steuben. They weren’t in regular uniform, but they retained sufficient bayonets and discipline to hold out longer.

85 TedStriker  Mar 31, 2014 12:48:20pm

re: #83 Kragar

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Egads…

86 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 12:49:37pm

re: #85 TedStriker

“There is a natural law out there that is higher than government, than man-made law,” she explained. “That’s what we need to return to.”

HAHAHA! No. Now get out.

87 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 12:51:31pm

Fuck, is there something in the water?

In a discussion with Eric Metaxas at last year’s Florida Family Policy Council summit, Sen. Marco Rubio said that the separation of church and state is a myth, arguing that the First Amendment only precludes an “officially sanctioned denomination.”

88 Dark_Falcon  Mar 31, 2014 12:54:10pm

BBL

89 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 12:55:26pm

Greensnow must be crowing like hell, even more than we see online.

After all, they managed to frame this entire crime exactly the way they want it and now will make plenty of money from keeping it in the spotlight, even separating a billionaire from a large chunk of his change.

90 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 12:56:35pm

re: #83 Kragar

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Thomas and his wife need to be investigated throroughly.

91 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 12:57:30pm

re: #87 Kragar

Fuck, is there something in the water?

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Yes, the Constitution prevents an officially sanctioned denomination, but you’ll hear all sorts of wingnuts and Republicans argue with a straight face that we’re a “Christian nation” and the Founding Fathers intended such from the very beginning.

92 Lidane  Mar 31, 2014 12:58:57pm

re: #87 Kragar

Fuck, is there something in the water?

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It’s an article of faith in the GOP that the United States is an explicitly Christian nation and that the only thing the First Amendment does is stay neutral on the question of which Christians are the “correct” ones.

93 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 1:01:36pm

re: #87 Kragar

Fuck, is there something in the water?

FLUORIDE!!!11!!

94 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 1:01:47pm

re: #87 Kragar

Fuck, is there something in the water?

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In a discussion with Eric Metaxas at last year’s Florida Family Policy Council summit, Sen. Marco Rubio said that the separation of church and state is a myth, arguing that the First Amendment only precludes an “officially sanctioned denomination.”

Marco, that would be the separation of church and state you apparently don’t understand.

96 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:04:17pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marco, that would be the separation of church and state you apparently don’t understand.

The idea that some people object to Christian based Sharia law really grates on some people.

97 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:05:15pm

Yes, the Founding Father’s intended the USA to be a Christian Nation, that’s why our country’s earliest documents repeatedly refer to ‘Christ’, ‘Jesus’, ‘Christianity’, and ‘Christian’.

98 Lidane  Mar 31, 2014 1:07:21pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marco, that would be the separation of church and state you apparently don’t understand.

Give Marco a break. He’s still working on trying to understand that whole “reality” thing.

99 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 1:09:37pm

re: #98 Lidane

Give Marco a break. He’s still working on trying to understand that whole “reality” thing.

Probably also needs a drink of water. Badly.

100 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 1:10:17pm

re: #1 Kragar

twit blogging

probably the most common form of blogging

101 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 1:10:38pm

re: #98 Lidane

Give Marco a break. He’s still working on trying to understand that whole “reality” thing.

Poor guy’s still trying to deal with going from “Great Brown Hope” to being another also-ran before the primaries even began.

102 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 1:11:30pm

re: #97 Dr. Matt

Yes, the Founding Father’s intended the USA to be a Christian Nation, that’s why our country’s earliest documents repeatedly refer to ‘Christ’, ‘Jesus’, ‘Christianity’, and ‘Christian’.

that’s what is meant by the first amendment, which states “thou shalt sell no wine before its time”

103 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2014 1:16:18pm

re: #102 dog philosopher

that’s what is meant by the first amendment, which states “thou shalt sell no wine before its time”

“Hey Ernest… What time is it?”

“It’s About 3 PM Julio…”

“Ok, It’s time. Start selling this batch”

RBS

104 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:16:19pm

The other bit problem wingnuts have with the Establishment Clause is they will continually tell you how it only applies to Congress and not to states, county or local governments.

Damn that pesky 14th Amendment!

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States”

Obviously uttered by Satan himself.

105 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 1:22:47pm

Speaking of 2016, I see Jeb Bush is being promoted as another “front-runner” again, as if we needed a reminder of how the “smart one” got passed over for the White House for Dubya.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 1:23:45pm

heh…

107 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:24:37pm

re: #97 Dr. Matt

Yes, the Founding Father’s intended the USA to be a Christian Nation, that’s why our country’s earliest documents repeatedly refer to ‘Christ’, ‘Jesus’, ‘Christianity’, and ‘Christian’.

But the Declaration refers obliquely to The Creator, and the Constitution says “In the year of our Lord! Clearly they meant to establish a Protestant Christian nation!!!

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 1:27:01pm

re: #38 Testy Toad T

BUT THE FOURTH ONE… BOOTED UP.

And that’s what you’re going to get, lad, the strongest computer in all of England.

Quoted from The History of Stonehenge?
;)

109 GunstarGreen  Mar 31, 2014 1:27:27pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marco, that would be the separation of church and state you apparently don’t understand.

It is the belief of these types that the establishment clause does not preclude the government from passing laws who’s only basis is in the bible — only that the government cannot force you into a pew at gunpoint.

As myopic biblical literalists, they are also myopic constitutional literalists. They genuinely believe that it’s okay to make a de-facto state religion by way of making laws of all of its tenets, so long as there is not an actual law that plainly states “Christianity is the official state religion”.

Coincidentally, this is why hardcore religious fundamentalism should not be tolerated or coddled in the way that it has been up to this point. These people are enemies of freedom, and should be considered serious threats to the nation. Their problem with “Sharia Law” is not that it forces you to follow the whimsical decrees of a skydad, only that it is not the correct skydad. Calling them “The American Taliban” is not an exaggeration or a jest, it is simple fact.

110 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:28:24pm

re: #38 Testy Toad T

BUT THE FOURTH ONE… BOOTED UP.

And that’s what you’re going to get, lad, the strongest computer in all of England.

But I don’t want it. I want to si-i-i-ngg!

111 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 1:28:53pm

Writer for The Intercept tries to ‘gotcha’ me:

He’s referring to this tweet:

However:

Oops, sorry, no gotcha this time.

112 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:28:57pm

re: #107 GeneJockey

The Constitution says “In the year of our Lord! Clearly they meant to establish a Protestant Christian nation!!!

This Lord? Because that would be pretty cool….
Lord Shiva

113 Timothy Watson  Mar 31, 2014 1:29:46pm

re: #104 Kragar

The other bit problem wingnuts have with the Establishment Clause is they will continually tell you how it only applies to Congress and not to states, county or local governments.

Damn that pesky 14th Amendment!

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States”

Obviously uttered by Satan himself.

Made even funnier because:
OF COURSE THE 14TH AMENDMENT MEANS THE GUBERMENT CAN’T TAKE MY GUNS AND LAND!!1!

114 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:30:33pm

Breaking: The Detroit Tigers have the best record in the MLB.

115 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:31:06pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

This Lord? Because that would be pretty cool….
Lord Shiva

Does the bull have ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ painted on its hindquarters?
//

116 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:31:36pm

re: #114 Dr. Matt

Breaking: The Detroit Tigers have the best record in the MLB.

What, the season started today and they won the first game?

117 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:32:13pm

re: #116 GeneJockey

What, the season started to day and they won the first game?

Minor technicality.

118 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:32:48pm

re: #117 Dr. Matt

Minor technicality.

So, mathematically eliminated by the weekend?

119 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 1:33:39pm

120 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 1:34:43pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

This Lord? Because that would be pretty cool….
Lord Shiva

as long as i don’t have to sit shiva

121 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 1:34:53pm

re: #113 Timothy Watson

Made even funnier because:
OF COURSE THE 14TH AMENDMENT MEANS THE GUBERMENT CAN’T TAKE MY GUNS AND LAND!!1!

Yeah, that’s what you gotta love. According to wingnuts, the 1st amendment only applies to Congress, so states and local governments can establish an “official” religion if they like, BUT the 2nd amendment is absolute and states are just as forbidden as Congress is from banning guns.

122 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:35:33pm

re: #118 GeneJockey

So, mathematically eliminated by the weekend?

Heck no. The team is stacked with talent (again) and in good position to win the Central for the 4th season in a row.

123 EPR-radar  Mar 31, 2014 1:36:27pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s what you gotta love. According to wingnuts, the 1st amendment only applies to Congress, so states and local governments can establish an “official” religion if they like, BUT the 2nd amendment is absolute and states are just as forbidden as Congress is from banning guns.

For wingnuts Because I say so! is the entirety of the law. All else is commentary.

124 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 1:37:10pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

This Lord? Because that would be pretty cool….
Lord Shiva

And don’t forget that if you muck with Shiva he arranges for Dr Jones and companions to drop in on you and set things straight!
;P

125 lawhawk  Mar 31, 2014 1:37:14pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

Wow. The establishment news gets it right, while the fact check [my ass] new media dudebro outlet spins wheels and claims you’re jumping the gun.

That’s a double Heh! rating.

126 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:37:17pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

This Lord? Because that would be pretty cool….
Lord Shiva

If I’m reading their material and comparing it to their actions correctly, then I can only assume they mean this one:

127 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 1:37:26pm

Thunder and lightning, very very frightening.

128 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:38:34pm

I can only assume I’ll be be receiving a billion dollars shortly because “Team I don’t give a shit about” is poised to win some tournament or something.

129 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 1:41:07pm

New NRA Headquarters//

130 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:41:18pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

For wingnuts Because I say so! is the entirety of the law. All else is commentary.

I got into an argument with a Libertarian this weekend when I told him the ACA was constitutional, because the constitutionally-provided arbiter of constitutionality had found it so.

He said the SCOTUS had found slavery constitutional.

I said, yes, it was. There had to be an amendment to make it not so.

He said if I thought slavery had been constitutional, then I didn’t understand it.

So, apparently the Constitution means things the Founders didn’t even think, since a hefty percentage of them owned slaves, and it was ratified by a bunch of states that allowed slavery. What a maroon.

131 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 1:41:41pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Wow. The establishment news gets it right, while the fact check [my ass] new media dudebro outlet spins wheels and claims you’re jumping the gun.

That’s a double Heh! rating.

My tweet right before that one was a link to a news article about Obama’s plan to meet with the Saudi women’s rights advocate. Guess he missed it. Gotcha denied.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 1:41:54pm

Only if the wedding isn’t held in a boxcar at Terminus…

Sometimes I can’t believe the utter tripe that shows up on my Twitter TL (Tweets from @TripeUK excluded, obviously)

133 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 1:42:16pm

re: #129 Amory Blaine

New NRA Headquarters//

Approximately as well-supported as their rhetoric.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 1:43:36pm

re: #130 GeneJockey

I got into an argument with a Libertarian this weekend when I told him the ACA was constitutional, because the constitutionally-provided arbiter of constitutionality had found it so.

He said the SCOTUS had found slavery constitutional.

I said, yes, it was. There had to be an amendment to make it not so.

He said if I thought slavery had been constitutional, then I didn’t understand it.

So, apparently the Constitution means things the Founders didn’t even think, since a hefty percentage of them owned slaves, and it was ratified by a bunch of states that allowed slavery. What a maroon.

ummm… wasn’t 2nd Amendment, like, an AMENDMENT? Given the maroon’s argument logic, then the 2nd Amendment isn’t constitutional either.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 1:43:40pm

WTFITS I just can’t even.
BECAUSE DUMBASS, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT CONTAIN EVERY DETAIL OF EVERY LAW EVER MADE.
All this Derping is that they want to INPEECH Obama for extending the signup deadline HURR HURR IT’S AGAINST TEH CONSTITION!!!!!!

136 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2014 1:44:14pm

re: #115 GeneJockey

Does the bull have ‘Yes’ and ‘No’ painted on its hindquarters?
//

I thought the exact same thing… I guess we’re going to get recycled together in the next life.

RBS

137 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:45:36pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm… wasn’t 2nd Amendment, like, an AMENDMENT? Given the maroon’s argument logic, then the 2nd Amendment isn’t constitutional either.

No, no - you see it’s all about original intent, but perhaps including intent not even known by the guys who wrote and ratified it!

Besides, we all know that the first 10 amendments are the only ones that count.

138 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:46:15pm

re: #136 RealityBasedSteve

I thought the exact same thing… I guess we’re going to get recycled together in the next life.

RBS

Which side of the body do you want?

139 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2014 1:46:45pm

re: #138 GeneJockey

Which side of the body do you want?

Front side.

RBS

140 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 1:47:49pm

re: #139 RealityBasedSteve

Front side.

RBS

I guess that’s better than what I feared, that you’d want the lower half and always be asking me to …well, you see where I’m going with this, right?

141 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 1:48:46pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sometimes I can’t believe the utter tripe that shows up on my Twitter TL (Tweets from @TripeUK excluded, obviously)

That’s hilarious.

Please take a leisurely look at our website - there is no charge. You’ll see we mean business.

To those who question the humorous tone of this website, let me say this. Consumption of tripe has fallen every year since 1958 and, according to our research, most people would rather eat a plastic bag than eat tripe. Drastic measures were called for. We have it on good advice that a humorous, self-deprecating tone is the way to sell tripe. It has worked for other foods and it can work for us.

Since we launched the campaign in 2012, the number of daily visits to this website has increased by 500% and we are now in double figures. Tripe is making a comeback.

We may not have the budget of our colleagues at the Potato Council or the National Beef Association but, thanks to a legacy from a recently deceased lover of tripe who wished to remain anonymous, we have been able to launch our new publishing arm, TMB Books. Find out what we have in store for you.

Tripe tastes just as good today as it always has. So why not take a look at our nutritious and delicious recipes - I’m confident you won’t be disappointed! There’s something for everyone on our website. So whether you’re 65 or 75, I hope you enjoy your visit half as much as we enjoy marketing tripe!

Sir Norman Wrassle
Chairman

142 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:49:08pm

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1

Article II, Section 3, Clause 5

Provides the base reasoning to allow executive orders to faithfully execute laws as intended.

143 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:50:26pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only if the wedding isn’t held in a boxcar at Terminus…

Ribs and liver pate will be served at the reception.

144 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 1:50:50pm

So I’ve started developing my own sci-fi/fantasy magazine that will be published (well, actually primarily e-published with a limited print run), to start, 4 times a year.

I’m having a really tough time deciding on typefaces for my content titles and text.

I feel like a woman trying to pick the right drapes for her bedroom.

145 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 1:51:52pm

re: #142 Kragar

Article II, Section 1, Clause 1

Article II, Section 3, Clause 5

Provides the base reasoning to allow executive orders to faithfully execute laws as intended.

The only CONSTITION that wingnuts know by heart if TEH SECUND AMENDMENT!!!!!!! IT TEH ONLY CONSTITION THAT WE NEED!!!!!!!

146 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mar 31, 2014 1:51:53pm

re: #112 Dr. Matt

Baseball games would take 3 hours to start because of all the requisite song-and-dance routines.

147 RealityBasedSteve  Mar 31, 2014 1:53:07pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

So I’ve started developing my own sci-fi/fantasy magazine that will be published (well, actually primarily e-published with a limited print run), to start, 4 times a year.

I’m having a really tough time deciding on typefaces for my content titles and text.

I feel like a woman trying to pick the right drapes for her bedroom.

Comic Sans for the Body, and Papyrus for the titles. You can never go wrong with the classics.

RBS

148 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 1:54:09pm

re: #145 Pie-onist Overlord

The only CONSTITION that wingnuts know by heart if TEH SECUND AMENDMENT!!!!!!! IT TEH ONLY CONSTITION THAT WE NEED!!!!!!!

ANd only the second clause, that bit with the milishus is too complicated

149 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 1:54:54pm

re: #147 RealityBasedSteve

Comic Sans for the Body, and Papyrus for the titles. You can never go wrong with the classics.

RBS

Brush script for the body….can’t go wrong.

150 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 1:55:59pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Tripe is making a comeback.

I can’t imagine a more horrifying five words.

151 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 1:56:20pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

So I’ve started developing my own sci-fi/fantasy magazine that will be published (well, actually primarily e-published with a limited print run), to start, 4 times a year.

I’m having a really tough time deciding on typefaces for my content titles and text.

Sci-Fi = the future.

Wingdings!

152 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 1:57:10pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I can’t imagine a more horrifying five words.

“All hail President-Elect Perry!”

153 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mar 31, 2014 1:58:17pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

“Parasites are eating your tongue.”

154 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 1:58:35pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I can’t imagine a more horrifying five words.

Apparently it’s not much of a comeback, and the account is in the UK, so we may be safe here for a while.

As the descendent of renderers, I have decided to follow that account.

155 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 1:59:19pm

re: #152 Kragar

“All hail President-Elect Perry!”

I was convinced he was gonna step up and walk away with the GOP nomination in 2012, now he claims he was tanked up on muscle relaxants for his back pain…

156 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 1:59:27pm
Consumption of tripe has fallen every year since 1958

The year I was born, coincidentally.

157 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 1:59:37pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I can’t imagine a more horrifying five words.

Santorum is the new black.

158 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 1:59:49pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Apparently it’s not much of a comeback, and the account is in the UK, so we may be safe here for a while.

As the descendent of renderers, I have decided to follow that account.

It’s a very fun account to follow!

159 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:02:57pm

re: #147 RealityBasedSteve

Comic Sans for the Body, and Papyrus for the titles. You can never go wrong with the classics.

RBS

Good god man, I’m not sadistic!

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:03:03pm

FOUR terrifying words…

161 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:03:37pm

I am currently experimenting with Bembo but I’m not sure I’m entirely sold on it yet.

162 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mar 31, 2014 2:03:44pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

As the descendent of renderers, I have decided to follow that account.

I read that as “reindeers” and was momentarily intrigued.

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:05:32pm

re: #162 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I read that as “reindeers” and was momentarily intrigued.

Rudolph XIV

164 jaunte  Mar 31, 2014 2:06:37pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Tripe tastes just as good today as it always has.

Key finding!

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:07:09pm

re: #154 wrenchwench

Apparently it’s not much of a comeback, and the account is in the UK, so we may be safe here for a while.

As the descendent of renderers, I have decided to follow that account.

It never quite went away in Philadelphia. You can find it on the menu in diners around here all the time.

166 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:07:15pm

Unrelated:

167 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:07:21pm

Fascinating story at Mother Jones on the secretive cultish religious group that bought Newsweek: motherjones.com

I did not know International Business Times was run by this group, but it explains why they publish some pretty crazy stuff.

168 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:07:30pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

I can’t imagine a more horrifying five words.

spam

spam terrifies me more than tripe

169 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:08:03pm

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

It never quite went away in Philadelphia. You can find it on the menu in diners around here all the time.

It’s everywhere, disguised as Menudo.

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:08:35pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Fascinating story at Mother Jones on the secretive cultish religious group that bought Newsweek: motherjones.com

I did not know International Business Times was run by this group, but it explains why they publish some pretty crazy stuff.

Remind me again why wingnuts claim they are being drowned out by “evil Liberal media”

171 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:08:39pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

It’s everywhere, disguised as Menudo.

A very, very thin disguise.

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:08:44pm

re: #168 dog philosopher

spam

spam terrifies me more than tripe

spam spam spam spammity spam?

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:08:56pm

re: #166 wrenchwench

Unrelated:

[Embedded content]

Third photo is very timely however. Eiffel Tower is 125 years old today.

174 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:10:04pm

re: #172 Feline Fearless Leader

spam spam spam spammity spam?

spam spam tripe spam and spam?

175 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:10:20pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

A very, very thin disguise.

Never enough red chile.

176 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 2:10:23pm

I confess. I like lardo.

177 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 2:10:27pm

I like menudo. You also have to try the corn on the cob with mayonnaise, cotija cheese, chili powder and lime juice. Smells like a dirty foot but man once you get going… There is very little that I won’t eat. I remember as a kid happily humming with a jar of pickled pigs feet, sucking on the briny knuckles. I won’t eat canned spinach though.

178 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 2:11:30pm

The most frustrating part of my job is having to deal with IE instead of having a real browser on my work computer.

179 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:11:58pm

re: #177 Amory Blaine

I like menudo. You also have to try the corn on the cob with mayonnaise, cotija cheese, chili powder and lime juice. Smells like a dirty foot but man once you get going… There is very little that I won’t eat. I remember as a kid happily humming with a jar of pickled pigs feet, sucking on the briny knuckles. I won’t eat canned spinach though.

Canned spinach might be the one thing that can’t be saved by lots of butter.

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:12:40pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

Canned spinach might be the one thing that can’t be saved by lots of butter.

Maybe some tripe would help…

181 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 2:13:08pm

My bird will eat chicken and she likes eggs too.

182 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:13:26pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

FOUR terrifying words…

speaking of birds, what with the migrating season i see some unusual birds which i have no idea what the hell they are but perhaps a birdie watcher might be interested

saw in size midway in between a finch and a sparrow but mostly rather bright blue with an orange-red belly

183 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:13:33pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe some tripe would help…

Spit take. Fortunately, mouth was empty, save for a little spit.

184 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 2:13:52pm

I’ve never seen her eat another cockatiel however.

185 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 2:13:58pm

Two horrifying words:

Wiener Spaghetti

186 Testy Toad T  Mar 31, 2014 2:14:52pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Fascinating story at Mother Jones on the secretive cultish religious group that bought Newsweek: motherjones.com

The Club for Growth bought Newsweek?

//////

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:15:03pm

re: #182 dog philosopher

speaking of birds, what with the migrating season i see some unusual birds which i have no idea what the hell they are but perhaps a birdie watcher might be interested

saw in size midway in between a finch and a sparrow but mostly rather bright blue with an orange-red belly

Something like this?
en.wikipedia.org

188 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:15:45pm

re: #182 dog philosopher

speaking of birds, what with the migrating season i see some unusual birds which i have no idea what the hell they are but perhaps a birdie watcher might be interested

saw in size midway in between a finch and a sparrow but mostly rather bright blue with an orange-red belly

Only one that comes immediately to mind is Eastern Bluebird.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:16:41pm

re: #187 Feline Fearless Leader

Something like this?
en.wikipedia.org

oh, snap!

190 Dr. Matt  Mar 31, 2014 2:17:02pm
GM recalling another 1.51 million cars for steering problem. detroitnews.com

I’m sure the right will figure a way to blame or link this to Obama.

191 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:17:05pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, snap!

ninja’d!

192 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:17:36pm

re: #177 Amory Blaine

I feel you. Where you work I’m stuck with either IE7 (yes, you read that right) or a more recent version of Firefox, which is only slightly better.

Most of the programs I used are web based so if my IE crashes, so a good portion of my tools. Fun times.

193 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:18:10pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

Only one that comes immediately to mind is Eastern Bluebird.

images:

google.com

yeah, it looked a lot like that!

i am in california, though, so if that is what it was it is way offa its beaten path

194 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:19:24pm

re: #192 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel you. Where you work I’m stuck with either IE7 (yes, you read that right) or a more recent version of Firefox, which is only slightly better.

Most of the programs I used are web based so if my IE crashes, so a good portion of my tools. Fun times.

We’re on IE8 (and looking to migrate to IE9) at work. Due to being in IT and having occasional admin access to my laptop I also have Firefox installed.

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 31, 2014 2:21:16pm

re: #193 dog philosopher

images:

google.com

yeah, it looked a lot like that!

i am in california, though, so if that is what it was it is way offa its beaten path

Should be a link on that Wiki page to the Western Bluebird.

Beyond that it gets weird due to the Rockies. They’re pretty much the major divide between bird species in North America. To the point that there are separate field guides.

196 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:21:39pm

re: #193 dog philosopher

images:

google.com

yeah, it looked a lot like that!

i am in california, though, so if that is what it was it is way offa its beaten path

global warming….

197 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:21:57pm

Here, have a bookmarklet that counts characters and words in selected text on a web page:

javascript:(function(){var a=(document.selection?document.selection.createRange().text:document.getSelection()).toString();alert(a.length?"Characters: "+a.length+"\nWords: "+a.replace(/\s{2,}/g," ").split(" ").length:"No text selected.")})();

I bashed this out today because I wanted to easily be able to see how many words were in a given article; I used to copy and paste the article into a new BBEdit window and see the count there, but this is much simpler - just select the text and click the bookmarklet.

You can just drag this code to your browser’s bookmarks bar.

198 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:22:48pm

re: #193 dog philosopher

images:

google.com

yeah, it looked a lot like that!

i am in california, though, so if that is what it was it is way offa its beaten path

OK, Western Bluebird!

en.wikipedia.org

199 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 2:23:59pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Fascinating story at Mother Jones on the secretive cultish religious group that bought Newsweek: motherjones.com

I did not know International Business Times was run by this group, but it explains why they publish some pretty crazy stuff.

Sad, really, that such supposedly “smart” people can be taken in by these charlatans.

200 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:24:18pm

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #198 Backwoods_Sleuth

must be onna them there bluebirds of happiness they’re always a talkin’ about

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:25:45pm

re: #200 dog philosopher

must be onna them there bluebirds of happiness they’re always a talkin’ about

Cover yer nose…

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:26:25pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Here, have a bookmarklet that counts characters and words in selected text on a web page:

[Embedded content]

I bashed this out today because I wanted to easily be able to see how many words were in a given article; I used to copy and paste the article into a new BBEdit window and see the count there, but this is much simpler - just select the text and click the bookmarklet.

You can just drag this code to your browser’s bookmarks bar.

very cool! And it will come in handy for me.

203 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:27:58pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

It could be refined some more — right now it won’t count selected text that’s inside a frame or iframe, for example, in an embedded tweet.

204 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:29:37pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Here, have a bookmarklet that counts characters and words in selected text on a web page:

[Embedded content]

I bashed this out today because I wanted to easily be able to see how many words were in a given article; I used to copy and paste the article into a new BBEdit window and see the count there, but this is much simpler - just select the text and click the bookmarklet.

You can just drag this code to your browser’s bookmarks bar.

Shall we call this one the Greenwald Special?

205 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 2:30:59pm

re: #194 Feline Fearless Leader

We’re on IE8 (and looking to migrate to IE9) at work. Due to being in IT and having occasional admin access to my laptop I also have Firefox installed.

I have my “work” laptop which has to meet the government standards and a “company” laptop for other business on the outside network.

I make sure to filter as much work as possible thru the company laptop, like everyone else in the office.

206 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 2:31:04pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

That’s hilarious.

Better still:

How to prepare tripe

Nowadays, tripe is usually bought ready to cook but in the old days it was prepared in the following way. Please do not follow these instructions as it is not safe to drink bleach under any any circumstances whatsoever, even under the influence of alcohol or illegal substances.

1. Put the tripe in a washing machine on the non-whites heavy soiling cycle.
2. Add 2 bottles of industrial strength bleach. This will impart a lovely white colour and improve the flavour of the tripe. You may wish to reserve some of the bleach for use as a tasty sauce.
3. When the cycle is complete, remove the tripe from the washing machine and let it dry, preferably outside on a washing line. Please don’t worry about the birds. They won’t touch it.
4. When the tripe is dry, boil it for between 3-4 days. Please ensure all windows are kept open. You may wish to wear a sturdy pair of goggles.

207 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 2:32:29pm

re: #190 Dr. Matt

I’m sure the right will figure a way to blame or link this to Obama.

208 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 2:32:54pm

re: #206 darthstar

I recall an old Scottish recipe for haggis that involved boiling the stomach for at least four hours - with the windpipe still attached and hanging out over the edge of the pot with the lid on it so that impurities can escape

209 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 2:33:04pm

DREDD WINS THE PENNANT! DREDD WINS THE PENNANT! DREDD WINS THE PENNANT!

amazon.com

210 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:33:12pm

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s partly why I thought of it, but I often want to count words in other articles too. Just seemed like a handy thing to have.

211 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 2:33:30pm

re: #206 darthstar

Better still:

so, basically, prepare it the same way as lutefisk

212 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 2:35:18pm

re: #206 darthstar

Better still:

I worked at a lovely Mexican restaurant one summer which had excellent food, and the menudo was VERY popular on Sunday mornings. So on Saturday, they would thaw a 20 pound block of tripe, and boil the shit out of it.

Sturdy goggles, indeed.

213 Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 31, 2014 2:37:58pm

re: #209 Kragar

DREDD WINS THE PENNANT! DREDD WINS THE PENNANT! DREDD WINS THE PENNANT!

amazon.com

I AM THE LAW CHAMP!

214 Amory Blaine  Mar 31, 2014 2:37:59pm

215 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2014 2:37:59pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

The year I was born, coincidentally.

Damn, you’re old.

You were born the same year as my younger brother.

216 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:39:57pm

I just called my girlfriend to share the headline of Baba’s Pages Post. She said, yes, she just throws her cars away when they break and buy new ones because she is too busy sitting in her counting room spitting on her jewelry.

First time I’ve LOL’s since Saturday.

217 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 2:43:48pm

HURR HURR!!!! U POORS ARE JUST LAZY & JELLOUS OF TEH SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WHO WORK HARDER & EARNED THERE OWN BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!! HURR HURR GET A JRRB MOOCHERZ!!!!!!!!

218 klys  Mar 31, 2014 2:44:26pm

It turns out I should be able to go to Ireland in May. Hooray!

Any advice/suggestions from the Lizardbrain? A decent chunk of time will be spent in Dublin while the husband visits with colleagues (the reason we’re getting to go) but we should be able to take a little bit of time and do 1-2 things in the countryside.

219 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:44:32pm

What are the chances a Museum of Science Fiction will be built?

A $20 donation is quite a deal.

220 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:45:43pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

It could be refined some more — right now it won’t count selected text that’s inside a frame or iframe, for example, in an embedded tweet.

baby steps. As it is right now, it works for me just fine.

221 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Mar 31, 2014 2:45:53pm

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

Envy over income ‘inequality’ isn’t what built America

No, but a fair and just distribution of income to the middle and working classes is what built America: it allowed them to buy American goods, educate their children and build a society in which more and more people are accepted and invited to play an active role.

222 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2014 2:45:58pm

re: #218 klys

It turns out I should be able to go to Ireland in May. Hooray!

Any advice/suggestions from the Lizardbrain? A decent chunk of time will be spent in Dublin while the husband visits with colleagues (the reason we’re getting to go) but we should be able to take a little bit of time and do 1-2 things in the countryside.

Lick the Blarney Stone.

223 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:46:06pm

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! U POORS ARE JUST LAZY & JELLOUS OF TEH SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WHO WORK HARDER & EARNED THERE OWN BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!! HURR HURR GET A JRRB MOOCHERZ!!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

#WhatNobility

is my new meme

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:47:38pm

re: #214 Amory Blaine

[Embedded image]

Looks like tripe during the boiling process.

226 Kragar  Mar 31, 2014 2:48:08pm

Yeah, why didn’t we just have a single payer plan to begin with, you commies?

227 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 2:48:12pm

Here’s that bookmarklet in a more readable form with indentation, before being minified. (You can’t drag this code to the bookmarks bar - use the one above for that.)

It’s very simple, actually - just gets the selected text (compatible with IE or everything else), then puts up an alert box showing the count. The only tricky part is the regular expression in line 9 - it replaces all runs of more than one whitespace character with just one space, so when it splits the text by spaces it doesn’t end up with blank words in the array.

(function() {
	var selected = (
		document.selection
		? document.selection.createRange().text
		: document.getSelection()
	).toString();
	alert(
		selected.length
		? 'Characters: ' + selected.length + '\nWords: ' + selected.replace(/\s{2,}/g,' ').split(' ').length
		: 'No text selected.'
	);
}());
228 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:48:36pm

re: #218 klys

It turns out I should be able to go to Ireland in May. Hooray!

Any advice/suggestions from the Lizardbrain? A decent chunk of time will be spent in Dublin while the husband visits with colleagues (the reason we’re getting to go) but we should be able to take a little bit of time and do 1-2 things in the countryside.

I have a friend in Dublin who has serious Guinness brewery connections.

229 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:50:05pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have a friend in Dublin who has serious Guinness brewery connections.

I hear they have some awesome used book stores in Ireland. Where? I have no idea.

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:52:16pm

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

I hear they have some awesome used book stores in Ireland. Where? I have no idea.

They do indeed! I can ask my friend for specifics.

231 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:52:16pm
232 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 2:52:46pm

re: #217 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR!!!! U POORS ARE JUST LAZY & JELLOUS OF TEH SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE WHO WORK HARDER & EARNED THERE OWN BOOTSTRAPS!!!!!! HURR HURR GET A JRRB MOOCHERZ!!!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Which is hilarious when you think about it, because these same capitalists will play up that that’s how things should be, that someone sees others living a good life and strives to reach that same level. But then again, those same capitalists refuse to acknowledge that when the deck is stacked against you, ambition quickly sours into resentment and anger.

233 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 31, 2014 2:53:13pm

OK, what is KimJong Un up to NOW????!!

M5.0 - 132km SW of Ongjin, North Korea

earthquake.usgs.gov

234 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 2:53:30pm

re: #231 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Uhm, shouldn’t Republicans be totally okay with this? I mean, don’t they care about government waste and think that if it’s good enough for the common man, then it’s good enough for their representatives?

235 thedopefishlives  Mar 31, 2014 2:53:41pm

Evening Lizardim.

236 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 2:58:01pm

SCOTUS disses Priests!

U.S. top court declines to hear new contraception cases

As a compromise, the administration agreed to an accommodation for non-profits affiliated with religious entities that was finalized in July 2013. But the various Catholic groups said the compromise process still violated their religious rights, prompting a new wave of litigation.

Courts across the country have granted the groups injunctions which prevent the administration from enforcing the mandate during the litigation.

The cases are Roman Catholic Archbishop of Washington v. Sebelius and Priests for Life v. U.S., U.S. Supreme Court, 13-891 and 13-829. (Reporting by Lawrence Hurley; Editing by Howard Goller and James Dalgleish)

237 [deleted]  Mar 31, 2014 2:58:11pm
238 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 2:58:58pm

Note: GG tweeted this under his own moniker, too.

And BTW, fuck you, Glenn. You wouldn’t recognize the truth if it hit you between the eyes.

239 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 2:59:38pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Here’s a button version you can drag to your browser’s bookmarks bar.

Nice.

240 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 3:00:23pm

re: #239 darthstar

Nice.

Just in case anyone was wondering.

241 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 3:01:54pm

re: #240 darthstar

Just in case anyone was wondering.

That can’t be right. We have a lot more than four characters here.

242 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 3:02:23pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Here’s a button version you can drag to your browser’s bookmarks bar.

Characters: 69nWords: 12

243 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2014 3:03:38pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

That can’t be right. We have a lot more than four characters here.

Couple dozen at least.

244 thedopefishlives  Mar 31, 2014 3:09:50pm

re: #243 b_sharp

Couple dozen at least.

And I highly doubt we’d all be sharing one word between us. Give us 8 bytes, at least.

245 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 3:10:30pm

Better than tripe!

246 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:10:54pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

Uhm, shouldn’t Republicans be totally okay with this? I mean, don’t they care about government waste and think that if it’s good enough for the common man, then it’s good enough for their representatives?

#WHATNOBILITY

247 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 3:11:55pm

Sorry, button version won’t work, so I deleted my comment. I forgot that there’s code to strip out javascript links, for security reasons.

If you installed that one, please replace it with this code:

javascript:(function(){var a=(document.selection?document.selection.createRange().text:document.getSelection()).toString();alert(a.length?"Characters: "+a.length+"\nWords: "+a.replace(/\s{2,}/g," ").split(" ").length:"No text selected.")})();
248 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:12:14pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

Uhm, shouldn’t Republicans be totally okay with this? I mean, don’t they care about government waste and think that if it’s good enough for the common man, then it’s good enough for their representatives?

Actually, they probably think it will be cutting jobs for the drivers and those who manufacture the limos.

249 Charles Johnson  Mar 31, 2014 3:13:15pm

And posting it actually revealed a little bug in that security code too, now fixed, so that was good.

250 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:15:19pm
251 freetoken  Mar 31, 2014 3:15:33pm

re: #218 Pie-onist Overlord

Cal Thomas is yet another one whose “history” is just glossed over propaganda.

The rich-poor dynamic has been part of history since writing was invented.

Pretending that social life isn’t strongly colored by that is just whitewash.

252 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 3:18:19pm

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Jeb Bush as the GOP establishment’s 2016 candidate? Two words: Terri Schiavo.

253 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:18:39pm
254 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:19:11pm

re: #252 Targetpractice

Jeb Bush as the GOP establishment’s 2016 candidate? Two words: Terri Schiavo.

excellent!

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2014 3:19:59pm

Ah… clam & mushroom marinara over linguine. Very nummy :)

256 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 3:21:17pm

This is what “Pro-Lifers” want for everybody:

257 dog philosopher  Mar 31, 2014 3:22:09pm

re: #252 Targetpractice

Jeb Bush as the GOP establishzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz snork

259 wrenchwench  Mar 31, 2014 3:23:42pm

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This is what “Pro-Lifers” want for everybody:

[Embedded content]

She can volunteer to do that, but if she’s forced to, that’s murder.

260 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:23:43pm
261 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:24:09pm

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This is what “Pro-Lifers” want for everybody:

[Embedded content]

And it makes it meaningful because it was her INDIVIDUAL CHOICE.

262 Targetpractice  Mar 31, 2014 3:24:27pm

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This is what “Pro-Lifers” want for everybody:

[Embedded content]

Because a child growing up knowing that they’re why mommy is no longer around is a great way to go through life.

/////

263 thedopefishlives  Mar 31, 2014 3:24:31pm

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

‘Dirty Old Man’ Judge Wants To Tell Women Lawyers What To Wear

“Dirty old man” judge needs to learn to control his own damn desires.

265 Eventual Carrion  Mar 31, 2014 3:25:31pm

re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS I just can’t even.
BECAUSE DUMBASS, THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT CONTAIN EVERY DETAIL OF EVERY LAW EVER MADE.
All this Derping is that they want to INPEECH Obama for extending the signup deadline HURR HURR IT’S AGAINST TEH CONSTITION!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

Oh Feisty Floridian,
Congress passes a law, president executes it. While executing it the president has the authority to implement it as he and the Executive branch see fit. If there are questions, go to the courts (you know, that other branch that doesn’t really have to listen to your shit either).

266 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 3:25:33pm

re: #260 FemNaziBitch

[Embedded content]

Reminds me of this:

267 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 3:26:00pm

Russia seeks to increase sale of arms in Venezuela

The director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation said Russia has developed many contacts with its “fine” Latin American partners

269 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:28:05pm

This is powerful

*trigger* warning

270 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:29:04pm

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Cancel Mozilla!
OkCupid Asks Users to Boycott Mozilla Due to Browser CEO’s Gay Marriage Opposition

Okay
I cancelling it right n,,,,,,,,

271 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:29:44pm

re: #267 Killgore Trout

Russia seeks to increase sale of arms in Venezuela

envelope,,,,, push ,,,,,,, push ,,,,,,, push ,,,,,,,,

272 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:30:08pm

re: #262 Targetpractice

Because a child growing up knowing that they’re why mommy is no longer around is a great way to go through life.

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This is the thing. If a woman didn’t want to do this, her child would never know. If the law compelled her to — no one would ever tell the child that it wasn’t her mother’s wish.

These are the things no one talks about. Children are given a rosey picture and never question what they were told.

273 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:31:04pm

re: #256 Pie-onist Overlord

This is what “Pro-Lifers” want for everybody:

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Nonsense! Refusing an abortion means she had the choice. They don’t want her to have the choice.

274 Pie-onist Overlord  Mar 31, 2014 3:31:16pm

HURR HURR WHO NEED OBAMACARE, WERE GONNA SHOOT THAT DIABETES & LUNG CANCER!!!!!!!

275 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:31:50pm
276 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:32:40pm

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR WHO NEED OBAMACARE, WERE GONNA SHOOT THAT DIABETES & LUNG CANCER!!!!!!!

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There are more atheists than NRA members.
What’s his point???

277 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:32:48pm

re: #274 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR WHO NEED OBAMACARE, WERE GONNA SHOOT THAT DIABETES & LUNG CANCER!!!!!!!

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Actually not true, since the ACA applies to everyone.

278 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:34:34pm

re: #245 wrenchwench

Better than tripe!

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I’d say “It’s already loaded with bacteria, what more could go wrong?”, but I’ve SEEN what more can go wrong.

279 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:35:09pm
280 Killgore Trout  Mar 31, 2014 3:35:18pm

re: #276 Varek Raith

There are more atheists than NRA members.
What’s his point???

If you look at the lists of political donations NRA is surprisingly small, Ranked way down at #60 or so. Their myth far exceeds their reach.

281 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:37:12pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

If you look at the lists of political donations NRA is surprisingly small, Ranked way down at #60 or so. Their myth far exceeds their reach.

Except it doesn’t.
Most Americans may not give a hoot about the NRA, but our politicians sure as hell do.

282 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:37:23pm

OT, but for those who saw my earlier mention of the older boy having a girfriend, she has actually change her relationship status on Facebook to ‘In A Relationship’ with him! So, I guess that’s relatively serious, right?

Now I’m wondering if she’s too clingy….

NO! JUST KIDDING!! WOOHOO!!! Somebody else knows what a sweet guy lies under his sardonic, curmudgeonly exterior!

283 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:37:26pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

If you look at the lists of political donations NRA is surprisingly small, Ranked way down at #60 or so. Their myth far exceeds their reach.

I’m sure the Koch brothers bribed the list makers to make it just look that way!

284 William Barnett-Lewis  Mar 31, 2014 3:38:08pm

Funny little proposal to change the way hurricanes are named…

Youtube Video

285 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:39:03pm

re: #282 GeneJockey

Maybe she just LIKES sardonic, curmudgeonly exteriors!!!

286 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:40:32pm

re: #283 sattv4u2

Their organizations actually write laws for state legislatures to sign.
Hell, most of the legislatures just copy and paste it.
Kind of hard to pretend otherwise.

287 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:41:02pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

If you look at the lists of political donations NRA is surprisingly small, Ranked way down at #60 or so. Their myth far exceeds their reach.

Monetarily yes, but what chance would any GOP candidate have who openly defied them? You have 45% of the Senate, and a majority of the House who will not vote for, let alone propose, anything the NRA opposes. And the NRA itself has become more extreme in their demands.

In any sensible world, they’d end up overreaching and have their comeuppance, but I don’t see it happening.

289 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:41:34pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

Maybe she just LIKES sardonic, curmudgeonly exteriors!!!

Let’s hope she doesn’t discover the soft, chewy center, then!

290 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:42:33pm

re: #286 Varek Raith

Their organizations actually write laws for state legislatures to sign.
Hell, most of the legislatures just copy and paste it.
Kind of hard to pretend otherwise.

And they differ from other K Street lobby groups ,,,,, how!?!?!

Oh ,, wait ,, they write “RIGHTY” laws for state legislatures to sign!!

Got it

291 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:43:39pm

re: #289 GeneJockey

Let’s hope she doesn’t discover the soft, chewy center, then!

Congrats, How old is he? Ours is 19 and we’re still waiting. There was one girl VERY sweet on him, and he seemed to like her ,, but ,,, nada

292 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:44:45pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

And they differ from other K Street lobby groups ,,,,, how!?!?!

Oh ,, wait ,, they write “RIGHTY” laws for state legislatures to sign!!

Got it

I think there’s a difference between being in on the markup and “Here, pass this.” AFAIK, there’s no leftwing equivalent of ALEC, for example. If you know of one, please correct me.

293 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:46:05pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

And they differ from other K Street lobby groups ,,,,, how!?!?!

Oh ,, wait ,, they write “RIGHTY” laws for state legislatures to sign!!

Got it

The lobbyist push the lawmakers to pass laws they like.
Groups like ALEC actually write draft laws that GOP legislatures copy verbatim and pass.

294 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:46:13pm

re: #291 sattv4u2

Congrats, How old is he? Ours is 19 and we’re still waiting. There was one girl VERY sweet on him, and he seemed to like her ,, but ,,, nada

He’s 22, she’s… You know, I’m not sure. College age.

295 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:47:21pm

DERP. Comment fixed.

296 darthstar  Mar 31, 2014 3:47:38pm

re: #241 wrenchwench

That can’t be right. We have a lot more than four characters here.

Word.

298 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:48:54pm

re: #292 GeneJockey

I think there’s a difference between being in on the markup and “Here, pass this.” AFAIK, there’s no leftwing equivalent of ALEC, for example. If you know of one, please correct me.

google.com

299 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:50:48pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

Minn. man fatally shoots son over cable bill, then stabs self to fight son in the ‘afterlife’

That’s some crazy shit right thar.

Dad was 84 ,,,, 84!!!

the son refused to pay to install cable television.

300 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 3:52:32pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

Dad was 84 ,,,, >84!!!

the son refused to pay to install cable television.

Crazy shit, man.
What a world.

301 FemNaziBitch  Mar 31, 2014 3:53:26pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

Dad was 84 ,,,, >84!!!

the son refused to pay to install cable television.

You know, there comes an age in which a person should not have access to dangerous things.

I have to wonder if they man had a driver’s license. This could be a good indication if a person should stlll have a firearm.

My Dear Ole’ Dad voluntarily gave-up his firearms when his vision went on the skitz.

302 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:53:54pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

google.com

Didja look through those results, before you posted the link? I’m guessing not. They don’t help your point very much.

303 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:54:02pm

re: #300 Varek Raith

Crazy shit, man.
What a world.

There MUST have been more going on for quiet some time

This was probably just the the proverbial last straw breaking the back

304 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:55:05pm

re: #302 GeneJockey

Didja look through those results, before you posted the link? I’m guessing not. They don’t help your point very much.

From the 1st link ,,, 2nd paragraph

In an example a week and a half ago, the House passed a measure that would roll back a portion of the 2010 financial reforms known as Dodd-Frank. And reports from and revealed that language in the final legislation was nearly identical to language suggested by lobbyists.

305 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Mar 31, 2014 3:56:06pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

And your proof those lobbyists were left-wing is…?

306 BeenHereAwhile  Mar 31, 2014 3:56:17pm

re: #219 FemNaziBitch

What are the chances a Museum of Science Fiction will be built?

A $20 donation is quite a deal.

Do they need a copy of Ralph 124c41+ for their collection?

307 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:56:36pm

re: #299 sattv4u2

Dad was 84 ,,,, >84!!!

the son refused to pay to install cable television.

The older boy refuses to pull cable under the house anymore. He used to do it for $10/cable when he was little. Think I’ll show him this article…
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308 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:56:44pm

re: #305 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

And your proof those lobbyists were left-wing is…?

Lessee,,,,, The bill ,,,

DODD,,,, FRANK ,,,, nahh ,,, no clue there!!

{sigh}

309 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:56:56pm

re: #307 GeneJockey

The older boy refuses to pull cable under the house anymore. He used to do it for $10/cable when he was little. Think I’ll show him this article…
/////

ouch

310 EPR-radar  Mar 31, 2014 3:57:52pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

From the 1st link ,,, 2nd paragraph

In an example a week and a half ago, the House passed a measure that would roll back a portion of the 2010 financial reforms known as Dodd-Frank. And reports from and revealed that >language in the final legislation was nearly identical to language suggested by lobbyists.

Legislation to roll back Dodd-Frank is almost certainly some turd coming from the right. Also, anything this House passes is almost certainly some turd from the Right.

The quest for the mythical lefty (or even centrist) version of ALEC continues…

311 EPR-radar  Mar 31, 2014 3:58:48pm

re: #308 sattv4u2

Lessee,,,,, The bill ,,,

DODD,,,, FRANK ,,,, nahh ,,, no clue there!!

{sigh}

What part of “roll back” is not clear here?

312 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:58:50pm

re: #308 sattv4u2

Lessee,,,,, The bill ,,,

DODD,,,, FRANK ,,,, nahh ,,, no clue there!!

{sigh}

You understand that most folks on the Left think Dodd/Frank was practically useless, despite the apocalyptic wails from the Right.

313 Justanotherhuman  Mar 31, 2014 3:59:04pm

re: #275 FemNaziBitch

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They need to petition her ass off the bench.

314 klys  Mar 31, 2014 3:59:12pm

The incredible, amazing moving goalposts!

315 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 3:59:32pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

What part of “roll back” is not clear here?

THAT’S gonna leave a mark!

316 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:59:37pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

What part of “roll back” is not clear here?

you’re right
My bad

317 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 3:59:46pm

re: #315 GeneJockey

THAT’S gonna leave a mark!

not really

318 Varek Raith  Mar 31, 2014 4:00:06pm

Time for yard work.
Stupid wind knocking down stupid branches and sticks.

319 sattv4u2  Mar 31, 2014 4:01:05pm

re: #318 Varek Raith

Time for yard work.
Stupid wind knocking down stupid branches and sticks.

And time for work work

BBL

320 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 4:06:45pm

re: #317 sattv4u2

not really

That’s the point, though. Yeah, liberal lobbyists have had excessive access to bill writing, but ALEC send leigslators the bills they want passed as boilerplate - “Fill in your state’s name here”. It takes it to a whole new level.

In state after state that went Red in 2010, the newly Republican legislatures have been passing the same bills.

321 EPR-radar  Mar 31, 2014 4:09:01pm

re: #320 GeneJockey

That’s the point, though. Yeah, liberal lobbyists have had excessive access to bill writing, but ALEC send leigslators the bills they want passed as boilerplate - “Fill in your state’s name here”. It takes it to a whole new level.

In state after state that went Red in 2010, the newly Republican legislatures have been passing the same bills.

Standardization is one of the basics of efficient manufacturing. Seems to apply as well to GOP tools posing as politicians as to any other assembly line.

322 piratedan  Mar 31, 2014 4:10:51pm

re: #314 klys

as for things to see and do in Ireland…..

The Cliffs of Moher over on the west coast
Kilkenny Castle
Trinity University and do the Book of Kells tour
Waterford has a nifty city museum describing the history of the settlement and the Waterford Crystal Factory
I believe that the Jameson Distillery has a tour down in Cork
The Guinness Tour is also awesome

323 klys  Mar 31, 2014 4:12:17pm

re: #322 piratedan

as for things to see and do in Ireland…..

The Cliffs of Moher over on the west coast
Kilkenny Castle
Trinity University and do the Book of Kells tour
Waterford has a nifty city museum describing the history of the settlement and the Waterford Crystal Factory
I believe that the Jameson Distillery has a tour down in Cork
The Guinness Tour is also awesome

Our hotel is right by Trinity College, and oh I had totally forgotten about Waterford. Professional interest there. :)

324 GeneJockey  Mar 31, 2014 4:16:14pm

re: #323 klys

Our hotel is right by Trinity College, and oh I had totally forgotten about Waterford. Professional interest there. :)

You can probably get Jameson in a Waterford Crystal and combine vocation and avocation.

And vacation, come to think of it.

325 klys  Mar 31, 2014 4:17:11pm

re: #324 GeneJockey

You can probably get Jameson in a Waterford Crystal and combine vocation and avocation.

And vacation, come to think of it.

It’s a bummer we won’t be able to head over the England so I can explore some of the gins, but I wasn’t sure I was going to be able to go at all because of classes. So I’ll take this.

326 piratedan  Mar 31, 2014 4:19:24pm

re: #323 klys

ty for the higher education correction, I knew it was Trinity College but I must still be in NCAA hoops withdrawal hence my lack of proper synaptic firing….

I can say that the Cliffs were stunning (as was the countryside to get there), the views were awesome from atop and within the cliffs themselves.

also too, there’s a place that used to do a traditional Irish Evening of Entertainment (somewhere around Limerick methinks) and they served Mead… it was totally awesome, as were the pints of Smithwick’s and Murphy’s I consumed as we traveled about.

I’ll see if I can scare up some links…

327 klys  Mar 31, 2014 4:24:20pm

re: #326 piratedan

We’re going to get the dates sorted out this evening, I think (plane reservations and hotel stuff needs to be done soon) so hopefully we’ll have an idea of how much time we might get outside of Dublin.

The hotel the company will pay for for the company portion is much nicer than where we would normally spring to stay at. :)

328 piratedan  Mar 31, 2014 4:27:25pm

re: #323 klys

dingle-peninsula.ie

cliffsofmoher.ie

shannonheritage.com

I was wrong, not Limerick, but Shannon (sigh)

jamesonwhiskey.com

tcd.ie

Was there about 5 years ago as a graduation present for our oldest, instead of the traditional riding the bus as a tour group thing, we rented a cottage by a lake and rented a car and planned our own excursions… so we did a fair amount of driving to and fro and picked and chose our own itinerary with help from the web …

329 klys  Mar 31, 2014 4:28:02pm

re: #328 piratedan

Thank you! Will be helpful this evening. :)

330 Swift2991  Mar 31, 2014 4:35:43pm

re: #34 GunstarGreen

You did that Internet thing and didn’t read the article first. No, it’s “all vehicles.” That’s NEW vehicles, as of 2016. Never had a gadget like that, but yes, I back up a long driveway where there are lots of kids around. You can’t go zooming backwards in my neighborhood. But a kid can stop and pet a kitty just as you start moving off. You’re not going to pick that up with a rearview.

Better would be rear-facing radar, that goes off and stops the car when a moving, child-sized thing sat directly behind you.

331 b_sharp  Mar 31, 2014 5:50:06pm

re: #330 Swift2991

You did that Internet thing and didn’t read the article first. No, it’s “all vehicles.” That’s NEW vehicles, as of 2016. Never had a gadget like that, but yes, I back up a long driveway where there are lots of kids around. You can’t go zooming backwards in my neighborhood. But a kid can stop and pet a kitty just as you start moving off. You’re not going to pick that up with a rearview.

Better would be rear-facing radar, that goes off and stops the car when a moving, child-sized thing sat directly behind you.

Several deaths around here of kids being run over by a parent backing up in a driveway.


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