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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 12:47:41pm

Billo trying to swat down all those accusations:

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BlueGrl21  Apr 10, 2017 • 12:49:55pm

I swear, John Oliver’s descriptions of the sounds of Bill O. having a personal moment with his right hand have scarred me for life.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:04:01pm

re: #2 BlueGrl21

I swear, John Oliver’s descriptions of the sounds of Bill O. having a personal moment with his right hand have scarred me for life.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:05:47pm

After I saw that clip…

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Kragar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:12:05pm
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Kragar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:15:34pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:18:48pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:21:25pm

Guilty Of Receiving Stolen Goods-Neil Gorsuch Sworn in as America’s 113th Supreme Court Justice
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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:22:34pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

What the hell spawned that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:24:40pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:26:38pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

First come, first serve for airline seats apparently didn’t work in this case because the passengers were bumped to make way for United personnel, not for later-arriving passengers.

This news will have no effect on my minimal air travel because I’ve had a rigid no-United rule in place for many years. What did it for me was United’s charming habit of canceling just enough of its many scheduled flights each day between the LA area and the SF bay area to ensure that the remaining flights were always completely full.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:26:46pm

This must really be bothering the hell out of Trump and his people. A Republican that can’t manufacture an approval rating bump via a military action is in deep trouble.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:28:37pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

First come, first serve for airline seats apparently didn’t work in this case because the passengers were bumped to make way for United personnel, not for later-arriving passengers.

This news will have no effect on my minimal air travel because I’ve had a rigid no-United rule in place for many years. What did it for me was United’s charming habit of canceling just enough of its many scheduled flights each day between the LA area and the SF bay area to ensure that the remaining flights were always completely full.

For me, it was the pain of having to be routed through O’Hare (United’s regional hub) every time I wanted to fly from the fishbowl back to fish country. Delta offered direct flights, so after a flight that got canceled in O’Hare that left me stranded in the charming Chicago suburbs and necessitated a rescue mission by fishfolk, I decided never to do that again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:28:59pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

First come, first serve for airline seats apparently didn’t work in this case because the passengers were bumped to make way for United personnel, not for later-arriving passengers.

This news will have no effect on my minimal air travel because I’ve had a rigid no-United rule in place for many years. What did it for me was United’s charming habit of canceling just enough of its many scheduled flights each day between the LA area and the SF bay area to ensure that the remaining flights were always completely full.

My question would be why they didn’t leave enough seats open for United personnel in the first place?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:29:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:30:27pm

re: #14 Big Beautiful Door

My question would be why they didn’t leave enough seats open for United personnel in the first place?

The United personnel were on standby.
Apparently “standby” for employees has different definition than for regular standby travelers.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:30:38pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Bots can’t read.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:32:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:34:51pm

re: #11 EPR-radar

First come, first serve for airline seats apparently didn’t work in this case because the passengers were bumped to make way for United personnel, not for later-arriving passengers.

LOL. That’s even worse. It’s hard to imagine a more fucked up customer service situation. You can always get people on a flight to give up their seat if you offer them enough. In this case their internal calculus figured that the dragging someone off was cheaper than just negotiating, and now they’ve got a PR disaster, a personal injury and (possibly) a civil rights lawsuit on their hands.

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:36:09pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

LOL. That’s even worse. It’s hard to imagine a more fucked up customer service situation. You can always get people on a flight to give up their seat if you offer them enough. In this case their internal calculus figured that the dragging someone off was cheaper than just negotiating, and now they’ve got a PR disaster, a personal injury and (possibly) a civil rights lawsuit on their hands.

They offered $800 to get off, but no one was taking it. They still should have found other arrangements for their employees.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:36:38pm

re: #14 Big Beautiful Door

My question would be why they didn’t leave enough seats open for United personnel in the first place?

Some bean-counting asshole wanted to sell seats that weren’t really available, is my guess.

Now United gets to deal with a real PR problem.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:37:17pm

re: #20 Belafon

They offered $800 to get off, but no one was taking it. They still should have found other arrangements for their employees.

I did that once on a Delta flight. It was a nice perk on a flight where I didn’t particularly care about getting on the next one.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:37:23pm

re: #14 Big Beautiful Door

My question would be why they didn’t leave enough seats open for United personnel in the first place?

Crappy supply-chain management and analytics?

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:39:33pm

re: #23 Timothy Watson

Crappy supply-chain management and analytics?

Plus some idiot in the loop making executive decisions. I’m sure it would have be infinitely cheaper for United to have just taken the hit from their people not being where they were supposed to be than to deal with this legal and PR disaster.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:39:38pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Some bean-counting asshole wanted to sell seats that weren’t really available, is my guess.

Now United gets to deal with a real PR problem.

This is standard operating procedure for airlines, by the way. They oversell every flight, based on a calculated percentage of people who will miss the flight, people who will want to go on standby for a previous flight, etc. I think the heinous part of this story - which I’m only inferring based on commentary - is that United personnel who are on standby should not be kicking paying customers off of flights. That’s the whole point of the standby system.

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EmmaAnne  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:39:39pm

re: #2 BlueGrl21

I swear, John Oliver’s descriptions of the sounds of Bill O. having a personal moment with his right hand have scarred me for life.

Tap tap tap!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:45:04pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:45:19pm

re: #2 BlueGrl21

I swear, John Oliver’s descriptions of the sounds of Bill O. having a personal moment with his right hand have scarred me for life.

Dog jowls, flapping in the wind from a moving car. Poetry.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:46:40pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Sir John Barron  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:46:52pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

DT/Sessions will want this picture-taker arrested for leaking information on law-enforcement.

half sarc

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:47:36pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

Plus some idiot in the loop making executive decisions. I’m sure it would have be infinitely cheaper for United to have just taken the hit from their people not being where they were supposed to be than to deal with this legal and PR disaster.

If their people needed to be somewhere, United should provide an alternate mechanism other than waiting on standby. To me, “employee standby” is for employees who are wanting to take a flight somewhere as a perk, and should be lowest priority. If they are being transported as part of business operations to get them in position for a future run, that’s not standby.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:48:31pm

re: #20 Belafon

They offered $800 to get off, but no one was taking it. They still should have found other arrangements for their employees.

The fundamental failure of their operational model is that “Take our offer or we’ll violently assault you” isn’t a business negotiation, it’s mob style coercion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:49:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:50:35pm
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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:52:06pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

The fundamental failure of their operational model is that “Take our offer or we’ll violently assault you” isn’t a business negotiation, it’s mob style coercion.

They’ve also worked into the calculus that they can afford the best/biggest law firms to defend them in the inevitable law suit, while the passenger is probably going to have to hire an under-resourced plaintiff’s firm working on contingency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:53:47pm

looks more like some kind of ninja weapon…

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:54:01pm

re: #35 KGxvi

They’ve also worked into the calculus that they can afford the best/biggest law firms to defend them in the inevitable law suit, while the passenger is probably going to have to hire an under-resourced plaintiff’s firm working on contingency.

I suspect there are a number of law firms lining up with that video. Had there been no video, it would have been harder to sue, but that video changes the balance.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:54:12pm

re: #32 goddamnedfrank

The fundamental failure of their operational model is that “Take our offer or we’ll violently assault you” isn’t a business negotiation, it’s mob style coercion.

You really can’t treat paying customers like this, even in the airline industry where a certain level of bureaucratic atrocity has come to be accepted as normal.

Some United middle-management dipshit tried to solve a fairly simple problem by going full Vogon.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:54:26pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

“See, LIBTARDS? Trump did it because it was the right thing to do! He don’t care ‘bout no ratings!!!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:54:41pm

re: #37 Belafon

I suspect there are a number of law firms lining up with that video. Had there been no video, it would have been harder to sue, but that video changes the balance.

And there are more videos from other passengers.

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:56:27pm

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

of course there’s a danger to people when nations use chemical weapons. That’s why one of the first multilateral treaties in the 20th century was intended to ban the use of biological and chemical weapons. We saw what they did on the battlefields in the Great War and collectively said, “that’s enough.” It’s also why something like 180 out of 185 countries have signed onto multiple treaties banning their use and prompting their destruction.

But you can’t just bomb them. When you bomb shit, it tends to blow up. In the case of gases, that creates plums. Which leads to people dying.

There’s no good answer in Syria. There’s only a lot of bad answers. And I don’t trust this administration to pick the least bad answer. Hell, I’m not sure I trust them to pick any of the ten least bad answers.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:56:49pm

re: #38 EPR-radar

You really can’t treat paying customers like this, even in the airline industry where a certain level of bureaucratic atrocity has come to be accepted as normal.

Some United middle-management dipshit tried to solve a fairly simple problem by going full Vogon.

In general, it is poor business practice to physically assault one’s own customers. Exceptions to this are martial arts studios.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:57:38pm

re: #35 KGxvi

They’ve also worked into the calculus that they can afford the best/biggest law firms to defend them in the inevitable law suit, while the passenger is probably going to have to hire an under-resourced plaintiff’s firm working on contingency.

The law suit is the least of United’s problems, even though the passenger will probably end up being well-represeted.

The PR hit is going to be severe all by itself, and United’s competitors may even end up using this in their advertising.

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makeitstop  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:58:40pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

And there are more videos from other passengers.

The one of the guy getting back on the plane is really sad. He was fucking bleeding from the head after being knocked out, and he was running up and down the aisle just saying ‘I have to get home, I have to get home…’

I think if he wants it, he can take ownership of what’s left of United if it goes to trial. There was no reason to do that to anyone.

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wrenchwench  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:59:41pm

Customers. Sheesh!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 1:59:42pm

File this under “no shit, Sherlock”:

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:00:40pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

The law suit is the least of United’s problems, even though the passenger will probably end up being well-represeted.

The PR hit is going to be severe all by itself, and United’s competitors may even end up using this in their advertising.

I don’t know that the PR hit is going to be all that bad. I can’t imagine that airlines have much better approval ratings than Congress. Anyone who flies tends to hate flying, we tend to expect it to be a bad experience. And there are so few choices: you can go cheap with Southwest or Alligent; you can go nice ajace with Virgin or JetBlue; or you can take the standard airlines like United, Delta, or American.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:00:43pm

re: #44 makeitstop

The one of the guy getting back on the plane is really sad. He was fucking bleeding from the head after being knocked out, and he was running up and down the aisle just saying ‘I have to get home, I have to get home…’

I think if he wants it, he can take ownership of what’s left of United if it goes to trial. There was no reason to do that to anyone.

United’s entire legal department now has one job — finding a way to force this case to be tried in a jurisdiction where ‘tort reform’ is in effect.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:02:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:03:43pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:05:00pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:05:18pm

Holy crap! That Republican soon to be Ex-Governor of Alabama sure had a kinky side!

talkingpointsmemo.com

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:05:58pm

re: #48 EPR-radar

United’s entire legal department now has one job — finding a way to force this case to be tried in a jurisdiction where ‘tort reform’ is in effect.

I’m sure there’s already something buried in the contract language when you buy a ticket governing choice of law and venue.

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wrenchwench  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:06:28pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s just proper etiquette to resign before you’re fingerprinted.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:08:57pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I’m sure there’s already something buried in the contract language when you buy a ticket governing choice of law and venue.

Hopefully that normal one-sided contract bullshit can be challenged on the grounds that its choice of law and venue provisions are intended to cover civil disputes related to getting from point A to B, as opposed to whatever this clusterfuck ends up being.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:13:35pm

re: #47 KGxvi

I don’t know that the PR hit is going to be all that bad. I can’t imagine that airlines have much better approval ratings than Congress. Anyone who flies tends to hate flying, we tend to expect it to be a bad experience. And there are so few choices: you can go cheap with Southwest or Alligent; you can go nice ajace with Virgin or JetBlue; or you can take the standard airlines like United, Delta, or American.

There’s bad experiences and then there’s assault. This wasn’t a”bad experience”.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:17:54pm

re: #44 makeitstop

The one of the guy getting back on the plane is really sad. He was fucking bleeding from the head after being knocked out, and he was running up and down the aisle just saying ‘I have to get home, I have to get home…’

I think if he wants it, he can take ownership of what’s left of United if it goes to trial. There was no reason to do that to anyone.

Everyone involved was on their own little private power trip.

It seems to be a reflection of the times and Trump helps it by being the Chief Power Tripper.

Too many times there is no actual human equal relationship, it is all “what can I do to get over on this person or what can I do to show this person who is stronger and in charge and never to be messed with.”

Decency…what’s that?

Treat people the way you want to be treated….what’s that?

Fuck ‘em…yeah that’s the ticket.

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scottslemmons  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:19:54pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon

Holy crap! That Republican soon to be Ex-Governor of Alabama sure had a kinky side!

talkingpointsmemo.com

So clearly, Bentley sounds like a guy who’s maybe not a hundred percent sane, but this one bit here made me laugh:

“He warned that because of his political office, Alabamians “bow to his throne,” according to Hannah’s account.”

Can you imagine being such an egomaniac that you’d imagine the governor gets worshiped by people in his state? I have no idea how hard I’d laugh if the governor of my state tried to claim something like that. (Probably some combination of laughing myself sick and throwing him through a window while laughing myself sick.)

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:20:37pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

Everyone involved was on their own little private power trip.

It seems to be a reflection of the times and Trump helps it by being the Chief Power Tripper.

Too many times there is no actual human equal relationship, it is all “what can I do to get over on this person or what can I do to show this person who is stronger and in charge and never to be messed with.”

Decency…what’s that?

Treat people the way you want to be treated….what’s that?

Fuck ‘em…yeah that’s the ticket.

It’s real easy to see why it happened: A bunch of United employees really needed to get somewhere to do their job, and a bunch of other United employees rallied around them, and no one thought “Maybe the way we’re doing this isn’t right.” Tribal tendencies took over. Similar to what we’ve seen with other groups, like the police.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:21:35pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon

Holy crap! That Republican soon to be Ex-Governor of Alabama sure had a kinky side!

talkingpointsmemo.com

That’s so cute. Here’s so desperately in love (with a married woman) here just couldn’t contain himself.

Pro-tip: Get a divorce first. Her, too. Then you can get as smoochy as you want. People will think it’s cute. Oh, and always use your own money. No one will think it’s cute when they’re financing your torrid affair.

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scottslemmons  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:21:58pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

Everyone involved was on their own little private power trip.

It seems to be a reflection of the times and Trump helps it by being the Chief Power Tripper.

Too many times there is no actual human equal relationship, it is all “what can I do to get over on this person or what can I do to show this person who is stronger and in charge and never to be messed with.”

Decency…what’s that?

Treat people the way you want to be treated….what’s that?

Fuck ‘em…yeah that’s the ticket.

We’ve spent over a decade living in a world where the media continually rewards and exalts cruelty, so we see more people who indulge in gleeful cruelty because they know they probably won’t suffer any punishment. We get the world Fox wants for us, unfortunately.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:23:44pm

Sad to see General Mattis peddling such obvious bullshit.

Mr Mattis said the “measured response” by the US had “resulted in the damage or destruction of fuel and ammunition sites, air defence capabilities and 20% of Syria’s operational aircraft”.

He added: “The Syrian government has lost the ability to refuel or rearm aircraft at Shayrat airfield and at this point, use of the runway is of idle military interest.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:23:50pm

About 35 years ago my flight from Midway airport to the Virgin Islands (with a stopover in Miami) had too much weight in the cargo hold (lots of mail, they said), so the airline (I can’t remember which one) offered $500 to anyone who was willing to wait until the next day. I didn’t take the offer because I lived an hour away from the airport and didn’t want to make a return trip.

When I was coming back from Scotland in 2005, we switched planes in Detroit for the final leg to Bluegrass Airport. It was a smallish puddlejumper commuter aircraft and, again, there was a weight problem. That airline (Northwest) elected to send our checked luggage on a different flight and delivered it to our homes the next day. (I live about 100 miles away from Bluegrass Airport.)

There are ways to handle stuff like this without physically dragging paying customers off an aircraft.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:24:25pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon

Holy crap! That Republican soon to be Ex-Governor of Alabama sure had a kinky side!

talkingpointsmemo.com

Of course. He’s a conservative gawd-fearing ‘merican.

Goes with the territory.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:24:36pm

re: #60 MsJ

That’s so cute. Here’s so desperately in love (with a married woman) here just couldn’t contain himself.

Pro-tip: Get a divorce first. Her, too. Then you can get as smoochy as you want. People will think it’s cute. Oh, and always use your own money. No one will think it’s cute when they’re financing your torrid affair.

Grrrrrr. My fucking phone keeps changing He to HERE. Shoot me now.

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fern01  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:24:51pm

re: #58 scottslemmons

So clearly, Bentley sounds like a guy who’s maybe not a hundred percent sane, but this one bit here made me laugh:

Can you imagine being such an egomaniac that you’d imagine the governor gets worshiped by people in his state? I have no idea how hard I’d laugh if the governor of my state tried to claim something like that. (Probably some combination of laughing myself sick and throwing him through a window while laughing myself sick.)

So you’ve perfectly described the president of the United States and the republican premise being the “divine right to rule”.

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scottslemmons  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:26:49pm

re: #66 fern01

So you’ve perfectly described the president of the United States and the republican premise being the “divine right to rule”.

Yeah, I reckon Trump thinks we’re required to worship him like the pagan god he aspires to be.

I think I’d read somewhere recently that Kushner was mad at one of the networks because they hadn’t fired their anti-Trump pundits yet…

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:28:42pm

re: #58 scottslemmons

So clearly, Bentley sounds like a guy who’s maybe not a hundred percent sane, but this one bit here made me laugh:

Can you imagine being such an egomaniac that you’d imagine the governor gets worshiped by people in his state? I have no idea how hard I’d laugh if the governor of my state tried to claim something like that. (Probably some combination of laughing myself sick and throwing him through a window while laughing myself sick.)

Hell, even Jesse Ventura isn’t crazy enough to think that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:29:32pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:29:41pm
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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:29:44pm

bloomberg.com

Trump’s 10 most-engaged Twitter followers over the past 30 days include five confirmed robots and three accounts that appear to be bots, according to audience data collected by Social Rank. Trump’s most prolific respondent, @Trump2016_Fan, has posted more than 18,000 times in the past year, mostly all-caps messages of support for the 45th president. The account appears to be automated and did not respond to a request for an interview. […]

We set out to profile the lovers, haters, and robots that can be found in the replies to @realDonaldTrump to understand their motivations. Most, but not all, of the individuals interviewed are men. According to beta content-analysis software used by Social Rank, 19 percent of Trump’s followers are women. Among Trump’s 20 most-engaged followers, only two had traditionally female names—and both of those accounts appear to be automated.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:30:58pm

Bentley’s hearing about to begin:

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:31:27pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bentley’s hearing about to begin:

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[Pops popcorn.]

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scottslemmons  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:32:48pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

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Now there’s a smile that don’t reach the eyes…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:33:54pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

2017 estimates for the Syrian Air Force are 461 operational aircraft. The previous and probably also somewhat inflated US estimate for aircraft damaged or destroyed in the raid was 20. Not 20 percent, 20 aircraft. Given that we gave the Russians advance warning and they in turn told the Syrians it was coming, the probability is those 20 were mostly junkers the repair shop keeps around for parts and a few grounded aircraft that were in for repairs.

So, you tell me how the Pentagon takes that and officially sells it as “20 percent” of the Syrian operational air fleet damaged or destroyed by one telegraphed raid at a relatively minor airbase?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:34:47pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

duh…have you already forgotten “alternative facts”?

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whitebeach  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:34:55pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

There are ways to handle stuff like this without physically dragging paying customers off an aircraft.

The flight was Chicago to Louisville. They were willing to pay four customers $800 each, plus a night in a presumably decent Chicago hotel. For that money surely they could have booked a general aviation flight to ferry their four employees to Louisville and avoided the whole problem.

I wonder if Wharton even has a course devoted to customer relations.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:37:05pm

re: #59 Belafon

It’s real easy to see why it happened: A bunch of United employees really needed to get somewhere to do their job, and a bunch of other United employees rallied around them, and no one thought “Maybe the way we’re doing this isn’t right.” Tribal tendencies took over. Similar to what we’ve seen with other groups, like the police.

You still need a mind set of an asshole to join the group. As a good person you can always point out how wrong it is to the group and maybe get some reasoning going. But if you are already an asshole, it is easier to join up with the others and be a group of assholes.

To me it always comes down to the individual choice. If you don’t want to be an ass, you don’t go with the group. A group is just a pack of individuals that have chosen to be asses.

Now maybe Untied has gotten to the point the entire company has chosen to be asses to people because they feel they can because they have a service people need in an industry that doesn’t have enough choices.

Maybe someone sees this as an opening to compete with United and others. Sure seems like United is open to become extinct…just need the competition to take them down. Just a little too big for their britches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:37:48pm

re: #77 whitebeach

The flight was Chicago to Louisville. They were willing to pay four customers $800 each, plus a night in a presumably decent Chicago hotel. For that money surely they could have booked a general aviation flight to ferry their four employees to Louisville and avoided the whole problem.

I wonder if Wharton even has a course devoted to customer relations.

As I said downstairs, they could have rented a limo for the United employees and driven them to Louisville in the same time wasted by this debacle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:38:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:41:29pm

re: #52 Joe Bacon

He asked his freaking staff to break up with his mistress for him? Holy crap what a pussy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:41:32pm
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Puss Power  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:42:26pm

Hey, United, this story made the BBC World Service! You must be so proud….

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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:44:16pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re told the Gov left the jail about 5 mins ago, Acting AG Brooks,Matt Hart are sitting at state’s table in the courtroom

It was only a while ago that we let Gov. Seigleman out of stir. They really haven’t had time to freshen up the Gubernatorial Suite.

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:44:43pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:45:29pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah but watch that shit get appealed to the Supreme Court and BAM! Voter ID for everyone, courtesy of Gorsuch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:47:13pm

“I hate to break up the 100 percent white male card game in the retiring room, but I think this is an important debate,” Hortman said.

Her remark apparently cut Republicans close to the bone. Rep. Bob Dettmer (R) said, “I’m a white male — I respect everybody. But I really believe that the comments made by the minority leader were really not appropriate.”

Dettmer asked Hortman to apologize, but that wasn’t happening.

“I have no intention of apologizing,” she said, adding that she’s “really tired of watching women of color in particular being ignored. So I’m not sorry.”

snip

On Friday, dozens of Republicans signed a letter that will be entered in the House’s official journal saying Hortman’s comments “needlessly invoked the race and gender of her colleagues, and called into question the motives of members during a lengthy floor debate.”

“We the undersigned members of the Members of the House of Representatives admonish Minority Leader Hortman for her statements,” it continues. “We implore Minority Leader Hortman to apologize for her actions and strive to repair damage she has caused to the collaborative work environment at the Minnesota House of Representatives.”

Hortman responded later Friday with a four-word statement: “I’m still not sorry.”

heh

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:47:58pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:48:08pm

re: #81 Eclectic Cyborg

He asked his freaking staff to break up with his mistress for him? Holy crap what a pussy.

A real executive is good at delegating.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:48:15pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

#sorrynotsorry

Good for her.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:48:20pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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heh

We’re so tired of how easily everyone offends these days. She called us white males. We’re outraged! Fucking grow a pair.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:49:01pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:49:21pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

2017 estimates for the Syrian Air Force are 461 operational aircraft. The previous and probably also somewhat inflated US estimate for aircraft damaged or destroyed in the raid was 20. Not 20 percent, 20 aircraft. Given that we gave the Russians advance warning and they in turn told the Syrians it was coming, the probability is those 20 were mostly junkers the repair shop keeps around for parts and a few grounded aircraft that were in for repairs.

So, you tell me how the Pentagon takes that and officially sells it as “20 percent” of the Syrian operational air fleet damaged or destroyed by one telegraphed raid at a relatively minor airbase?

Because they have a Fox crowd predisposed to believe it. There are too few of your type Frank, so they can just ignore you and your fact based reasoning.

And the strange thing, which we see all the time now (instantly with Twitter), they will deny anyone with actual facts and shout you down believing against all reason they are right.

Being right no longer means you have to be right with the facts. It does seem you have to be “right” with the largest group that also believe like you no facts needed.

I think all of that worked against Clinton in the election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:49:44pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Republicans complaining about racism. Oh that’s rich…

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:50:27pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

As I said downstairs, they could have rented a limo for the United employees and driven them to Louisville in the same time wasted by this debacle.

Yeah, but think of the fun they would have missed out on.

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:50:34pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

Typical misdirection:

“I hate to break up the 100 percent white male card game in the retiring room, but I think this is an important debate,” Hortman said.

Her remark apparently cut Republicans close to the bone. Rep. Bob Dettmer (R) said, “I’m a white male — I respect everybody. But I really believe that the comments made by the minority leader were really not appropriate.”

Since you were on the floor, she wasn’t talking about you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:50:50pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Republicans complaining about racism. Oh that’s rich…

white male Republicans…snowflakes, all of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:51:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:51:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:53:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:53:23pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

white male Republicans…snowflakes, all of them.

Anti PC until they’re the ones being talked about.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:53:57pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:54:33pm

re: #85 gocart mozart

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OK, is this where everyone at Fox starts to sing “Good Vibrations”?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 10, 2017 • 2:58:57pm

re: #5 Kragar

In what way is Russia our ally? Interesting observation by Trump spokesman on the eve of Tillerson’s meeting with Putin.

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retired cynic  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:04:21pm

Just heard talk on NPR about the Gorsuch ceremony, and the gossip that Justice Kennedy would resign at the end of the term, so DT could have another “staunch conservative” to put on the court. Now that would hurt, if true.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:04:21pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:05:58pm

re: #85 gocart mozart

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:06:21pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:06:42pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

We’re so tired of how easily everyone offends these days. She called us white males. We’re outraged! Fucking grow a pair.

That whole group of male politicians would have expected her to take the very same type of comment.

Apparently thin skin is in fashion with a lot of GOP pols.

What is amazing is they are so full of themselves they can’t even see how dickish they are being. And then they put it in writing to make a record of their being dicks.

Good job boys!

A buddy of mine wrote a song many years ago called “I don’t want to be a man (if I have to be like you).” If that is manly, then I am not a manly man…just fine with who I am.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:08:00pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:08:44pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the Party which elected a President who made bigoted comments about women, racial minorities and Muslims. They really need to get a grip.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:11:43pm

re: #85 gocart mozart

Bill O as a kid:

Wobbly sausage

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:13:31pm

re: #106 retired cynic

Just heard talk on NPR about the Gorsuch ceremony, and the gossip that Justice Kennedy would resign at the end of the term, so DT could have another “staunch conservative” to put on the court. Now that would hurt, if true.

Our ultimate nightmare; it would give the conservatives free reign on the Court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:13:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:13:51pm

re: #7 goddamnedfrank

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I would assume that that is what normally happens. I don’t understand how United let things get so out of hand. And then the police lied in an official statement and claimed that the Doctor fell and hit his head. What a mess. The police need to be fired and United needs to pay out of its nose.

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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:19:33pm

Its good to see Banksters not walk away from the crimes they commit completely unscathed for a change. They still, however, need to be indicted, convicted and sent to prison.

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:21:19pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

An over-exaggerated non-apology would have been nice, too:

I’m sorry you were offended by my comment that obviously hit too close to home for you. When next I speak, I will be certain to consider your delicate feelings and concerns. I did not realize how difficult it is to be a white man in the world today. In the meantime, might I suggest you man the fuck up.

Ok, that last line might be a bit over the top.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:24:06pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:25:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:25:22pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:25:24pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow. This Administration is desperate to keep complete control over the media, aren’t they?

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:29:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:30:29pm
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bratwurst  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:30:46pm
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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:31:21pm

re: #125 bratwurst

What the ever-loving fuck did the Huckster do to deserve a Pulitzer (in his brain, anyway)?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:32:25pm
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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:32:29pm

re: #126 thedopefishlives

What the ever-loving fuck did the Huckster do to deserve a Pulitzer (in his brain, anyway)?

Played bass to power on Fox News?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:34:04pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:34:33pm

re: #126 thedopefishlives

What the ever-loving fuck did the Huckster do to deserve a Pulitzer (in his brain, anyway)?

Top Conservative Humorist.

Yeah, they are all that bad at having an actual sense of humor.

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:36:03pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because that TOTALLY makes it all better!

What a complete clusterfuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:37:22pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Because that TOTALLY makes it all better!

What a complete clusterfuck.

apparently their crisis management skills are just as good as their customer service.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:38:55pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

Top Conservative Humorist.

Yeah, they are all that bad at having an actual sense of humor.

We sold you a ticket in good faith.

However, in bad faith we decided you have to be the one to leave the plane for another flight.

I think United has a culture of assholes and they just can see the jam they are in. They got it bad.

Fly the friendly skies!

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:39:46pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

Top Conservative Humorist.

Yeah, they are all that bad at having an actual sense of humor.

I was going to say, I don’t think he’s all that funny, myself. He’s a clown, sure, but not the funny kind, more the scary kind.

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:41:28pm

re: #58 scottslemmons

So clearly, Bentley sounds like a guy who’s maybe not a hundred percent sane, but this one bit here made me laugh:

Can you imagine being such an egomaniac that you’d imagine the governor gets worshiped by people in his state? I have no idea how hard I’d laugh if the governor of my state tried to claim something like that. (Probably some combination of laughing myself sick and throwing him through a window while laughing myself sick.)

All I want to know is when does he get appointed to the Trump administration, and for what position? Surgeon General perhaps?

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:43:14pm

re: #135 Skip Intro

Or perhaps he could be O’Reilly’s replacement.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:43:57pm

re: #135 Skip Intro

All I want to know is when does he get appointed to the Trump administration, and for what position? Surgeon General perhaps?

FCC. He has deep experience with modern communication devices.

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:48:11pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

I don’t come across many crazy doctors, but every one I do is an elected Republican.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:51:19pm

re: #131 thedopefishlives

Because that TOTALLY makes it all better!

What a complete clusterfuck.

You want to know how bad this United thing is? Canadian Sports Network (TSN, the ESPN of the great white north) is discussing the United debacle on air.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:52:14pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:53:15pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

A United spokesman said that the man was “asked several times, politely” to give up his seat before force was used

“Nevertheless, he persisted”?

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whitebeach  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:54:47pm

Capitalism doesn’t totally suck in every respect, but it sucks really bad in plenty. For instance, today United airline stock went up but nearly one percent. This is because, while people with actual beating hearts and living souls look at the video and see a human tragedy and public relations disaster, many investors read the story and say, “Wow, United is really booking its flights, packing ‘em in like sardines.”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:55:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:57:17pm

re: #143 whitebeach

Capitalism doesn’t totally suck in every respect, but it sucks really bad in plenty. For instance, today United airline stock went up but nearly one percent. This is because, while people with actual beating hearts and living souls look at the video and see a human tragedy and public relations disaster, many investors read the story and say, “Wow, United is really booking its flights, packing ‘em in like sardines.”

“Whatever the market mob will bear before rising up in a murderous rampage.”

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thedopefishlives  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:57:21pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Someone who obviously was rooting for the airline employees in this encounter. While it may have been all kosher according to airline policy, how the fuck can anyone look at this and say, “Yeah, okay, I’m fine with that?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:57:43pm
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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:58:15pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Someone who obviously was rooting for the airline employees in this encounter. While it may have been all kosher according to airline policy, how the fuck can anyone look at this and say, “Yeah, okay, I’m fine with that?”

The banality of evil?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 3:59:23pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Monday in Alabama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:01:00pm

dammit

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:01:34pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:02:21pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wrong thing to say, United spokesperson.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:03:22pm
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Puss Power  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:03:22pm

re: #143 whitebeach

Capitalism doesn’t totally suck in every respect, but it sucks really bad in plenty. For instance, today United airline stock went up but nearly one percent. This is because, while people with actual beating hearts and living souls look at the video and see a human tragedy and public relations disaster, many investors read the story and say, “Wow, United is really booking its flights, packing ‘em in like sardines.”

Are you sure? Sites I checked say it went down.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:03:34pm
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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:03:49pm

Guess something good is not going to happen anytime soon:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:05:32pm

re: #150 Backwoods_Sleuth

dammit

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:08:01pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was spoken to, he was warned. Nevertheless he persisted…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:09:15pm

Murder suicides make me so angry. You want to take yourself out? Fine, but leave others the hell out of it, ESPECIALLY children.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:09:49pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:09:51pm

re: #153 Ace Rothstein

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:10:33pm

re: #147 Backwoods_Sleuth

The suspended justice in question is Roy “Ten Commandments” Moore.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:10:42pm

Oops. Nm lol

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Belafon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:11:01pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not the crime that’s the problem, it’s the exposure. where have i heard that before?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:11:13pm

re: #163 GlutenFreeJesus

Post gone?

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Archangelus  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:11:22pm

re: #143 whitebeach

Capitalism doesn’t totally suck in every respect, but it sucks really bad in plenty. For instance, today United airline stock went up but nearly one percent. This is because, while people with actual beating hearts and living souls look at the video and see a human tragedy and public relations disaster, many investors read the story and say, “Wow, United is really booking its flights, packing ‘em in like sardines.”

It’ll go down fast soon enough - this story’s made headlines all over the world by this point (was even a featured item in Israeli media today), and seems the web and social media is now gushing with folks bringing up other United offenses that went underreported in the past. Boycotts are already being launched, and I see no scenario at this point where united can undo the damage…

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:11:34pm
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Stanley Sea  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:12:40pm
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whitebeach  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:12:57pm

re: #154 Puss Power

Are you sure? Sites I checked say it went down.

Just heard it on NPR’s MarketPlace or whatever their late afternoon business show is called. But what do I know? Way the hell back I heard the demo of “You Light Up My Life” and predicted it would bomb like a B-52.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:14:19pm

I gave up on United a few years ago when ALL FOUR legs of my trip were the subjected to major delays, in some cases over three hours.

The only reason I didn’t miss my connection in one instance was because that plane was badly delayed too.

I was supposed to be home by 8 that night. Didn’t make it until almost 2 am.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:16:18pm

And look who comes to the defense of Robert Bentley—why it’s none other than Brit Hume of FAUX!

Video

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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:16:24pm

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

The suspended justice in question is Roy “Ten Commandments” Moore.

“Suspended” hardly does him justice. He was removed by a judicial panel for violating the Canons of Judicial Ethics, re-elected to his position by morons, and then Moore re-offended. His current suspension is permanent—to the end of his term. He cannot run again because he aged out.

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Archangelus  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:16:49pm
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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:17:16pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

God that’s so tragic.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:19:34pm

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:20:00pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:20:46pm

re: #175 Timothy Watson

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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All the GOP would have to do is show footage of the Baltimore disturbances and O’Malley would have crashed and burned.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:21:33pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

Post gone?

Facebook post. Said it was private. Oh well!

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:22:28pm

Re-accomodate. Weasel word of a fascist. Only thing missing were masks on the goons that assaulted that poor man. USA! USA! USA! No worries though. Golden parachute for Job Creator Man. I assume they’ll pay for legal expenses by sucking it out of the riffraffs paychecks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:22:45pm

re: #178 GlutenFreeJesus

Facebook post. Said it was private. Oh well!

Screenshot?

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:22:52pm

Never mind, this is a fake Bill Mitchell account.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:22:56pm

re: #177 Joe Bacon

All the GOP would have to do is show footage of the Baltimore disturbances and O’Malley would have crashed and burned.

Yep, and liberals were anti-O’Malley because of the “tough on crime” policies he implemented while he was mayor in Baltimore.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:23:38pm

re: #179 Amory Blaine

Re-accomodate. Weasel word of a fascist. Only thing missing were masks on the goons that assaulted that poor man. USA! USA! USA! No worries though. Golden parachute for Job Creator Man. I assume they’ll pay for legal expenses by sucking it out of the riffraffs paychecks.

Golden Parachute, Aw heck! According to the Peter Principle, Oscar’s performance will get him a gig at the Trump White House!

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:24:24pm

No facts can penetrate Bill Mitchell’s silver dome of emptiness.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:25:14pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:25:16pm

re: #184 Amory Blaine

No facts can penetrate Bill Mitchell’s silver dome of emptiness.

You can put the New Horizons Probe into orbit around Bill Mitchell’s head and it would find no trace of life.

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Timothy Watson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:25:56pm

re: #186 Joe Bacon

You can put the New Horizons Probe into orbit around Bill Mitchell’s head and it would find no trace of life.

Beam us up, there’s no intelligent life down here.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:26:12pm

That’s a fake Bill Mitchell account, but he’s just as stupid so I don’t know why they’re bothering.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:26:37pm

re: #184 Amory Blaine

No facts can penetrate Bill Mitchell’s silver dome of emptiness.

Mitchell: “I may be a complete blockhead, but I sure is pretty!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:27:15pm

FWIW, Kay Ivey ain’t no prize her ownself.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:28:18pm
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makeitstop  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:28:23pm

re: #156 electrotek

Guess something good is not going to happen anytime soon:

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That’s unbelievable. I think Paul Tollitt is really underestimating his audience.

And given the chance, Kate would blow that crowd away.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:28:25pm

Does she even lift bro?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:28:29pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:28:59pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:30:11pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FWIW, Kay Ivey ain’t no prize her ownself.

She looks like she could be Jefferson B. Sessions’ sister.

What, does everyone white in ‘bammy look the same??? /

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:32:16pm

re: #192 makeitstop

That’s unbelievable. I think Paul Tollitt is really underestimating his audience.

And given the chance, Kate would blow that crowd away.

If you were at Coachella 2013 on the first weekend like I was when The Stone Roses were headlining their first US show since 1995, you would understand where he is coming from. I went that year specifically for The Stone Roses AND Blur (which was also their first US show since 2003 at that time). There was already a small crowd for Blur on the Main Stage so when The Stone Roses closed Friday night at that same stage, the crowd got even smaller. It was ridiculous because this is an act that was the epitome of Madchester and its influence is ENORMOUS in rock and electronic music (Madchester anyone?). I was fortunate to witness such a spectacle so I will always forever treasure that, but a shame that the typical Coachella demographic will never experience it again.

Coachella is slowly pandering to the bottom-feeding douche fratbro Trump-loving types with their horrible taste in music (consisting of trashy EDM). Expect Coachella to stray further from its roots in order to maintain its commercial viability and immense stature in the music scene, so no Kate Bush or even a Talking Heads reunion if that ever happens. I wouldn’t even caught dead if Daft Punk played there again (and yes I did see them perform live at Red Rocks 10 years ago), because I’m not going to risk getting crushed Roskilde-style in the crowd for DP.

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:33:34pm

Smart move, United…

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:34:03pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

I gave up on United a few years ago when ALL FOUR legs of my trip were the subjected to major delays, in some cases over three hours.

The only reason I didn’t miss my connection in one instance was because that plane was badly delayed too.

I was supposed to be home by 8 that night. Didn’t make it until almost 2 am.

I was flying San Francisco to Chicago on United (last time I flew with them). It was Sunday at 10:00 AM. I was starting a new job on Monday and figured I had enough time to deal with some flight issue, which is usual if you fly, well, anytime. Shit happens all the time.

They had two flights to Chicago at the same time and one was cancelled due to mechanical failure. All the people with Status (members with their frequent flier program) from the cancelled flight were moved to my flight…and every other flight throughout the day (with confirmed seats). One minute I had a seat (that they gave me at the gate) the next I didn’t (even with Status!). I bitched and moaned so loudly and constantly I was finally able to get the last available seat (after giving all the rest to Executive level Status people - and their family members). Having low level Status was the only thing that got me on that flight.

There was no other availability to get back to the Chicago airport until 11:00 AM the next day. The day I was supposed to start the new job. At 9:00 AM.

I. Was. Pissed. Even though I got on the flight it was a very stressful serveral hours.

That was the last time I ever flew without having an assigned seat; ticket in hand. And it was the last time I flew United.

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:35:05pm
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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:35:15pm

Honest question about the Alabama governor… does this mean there’s even the slightest chance that the Democrats could field a competitive candidate next year? Or is it just lost?

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makeitstop  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:35:23pm

re: #197 electrotek

If you were at Coachella 2013 on the first weekend like I was when The Stone Roses were headlining their first US show since 1995, you would understand where he is coming from. I went that year specifically for The Stone Roses AND Blur (which was also their first US show since 2003 at that time). There was already a small crowd for Blur on the Main Stage so when The Stone Roses closed Friday night at that same stage, the crowd got even smaller. It was ridiculous because this is an act that was the epitome of Madchester and its influence is ENORMOUS in rock and electronic music (Madchester anyone?). I was fortunate to witness such a spectacle so I will always forever treasure that, but a shame that the typical Coachella demographic will never experience it again.

Coachella is slowly pandering to the bottom-feeding douche fratbro Trump-loving types with their horrible taste in music (consisting of trashy EDM). Expect Coachella to stray further from its roots in order to maintain its commercial viability and immense stature in the music scene, so no Kate Bush or even a Talking Heads reunion if that ever happens.

Sad.

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:37:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:38:01pm

re: #201 KGxvi

Honest question about the Alabama governor… does this mean there’s even the slightest chance that the Democrats could field a competitive candidate next year? Or is it just lost?

No Democrat holds statewide elected office here. Saturday our local prog group met to plan a 2018 suicide run for Representative, in case the incumbent is indicted or hit by a stagecoach in the week before election day.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:38:24pm

I don’t see how one can even avoid an airline. There’s like one plane that goes from mke to las, Frontier. I suppose you could do a 2 or 3 layover but you’re only fucking yourself.

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:38:53pm

re: #202 makeitstop

Sad.

Tell me about it. I would have killed to attend the inaugural Coachella in 1999. Just look at the lineup here:

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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:38:59pm

Meanwhile, the former United CEO pours more gas on the fire…

cnbc.com

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KGxvi  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:41:37pm

re: #197 electrotek

If you were at Coachella 2013 on the first weekend like I was when The Stone Roses were headlining their first US show since 1995, you would understand where he is coming from. I went that year specifically for The Stone Roses AND Blur (which was also their first US show since 2003 at that time). There was already a small crowd for Blur on the Main Stage so when The Stone Roses closed Friday night at that same stage, the crowd got even smaller. It was ridiculous because this is an act that was the epitome of Madchester and its influence is ENORMOUS in rock and electronic music (Madchester anyone?). I was fortunate to witness such a spectacle so I will always forever treasure that, but a shame that the typical Coachella demographic will never experience it again.

Coachella is slowly pandering to the bottom-feeding douche fratbro Trump-loving types with their horrible taste in music (consisting of trashy EDM). Expect Coachella to stray further from its roots in order to maintain its commercial viability and immense stature in the music scene, so no Kate Bush or even a Talking Heads reunion if that ever happens. I wouldn’t even caught dead if Daft Punk played there again (and yes I did see them perform live at Red Rocks 10 years ago), because I’m not going to risk getting crushed Roskilde-style in the crowd for DP.

I’ve never been to Coachella, despite living in Southern California. There’s been a couple of times I’ve been tempted (the year GNR reunited was probably the closest I came to buying tickets). Then I talk to people who have been and I realize that it seems like a generally shitty experience, especially now with how big it’s become (and I’m not much into EDM anyway).

I am, however, looking forward to going to Viva Las Vegas this weekend. Horton Heat, Wanda Jackson, Brenda Lee, Freddy Cannon. That’s going to be fun.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:46:03pm

Its like shopping for lumber around here. Menards-asshole. Home depot-asshole. Lowes- asshole. I’d have to cut my own fucking trees down.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:47:30pm

re: #201 KGxvi

No, because generally speaking, Democrats don’t get much party support in the South. Also, any Democrat who does get elected is usually a Blue Dog.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:48:44pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

No Democrat holds statewide elected office here. Saturday our local prog group met to plan a 2018 suicide run for Representative, in case the incumbent is indicted or hit by stagecoach in the week before election day.

Your comment makes me think (not in a bad way) of Anymouse and his constant plead for an all-states participation of the DNC.

Does Alabama have any Democratic structure or is it pretty dead in the weeds from years of neglect and being beaten down?

The differences in the two states are fairly clear, but the results seem to be the same. No real Democrats in office.

However, the similarities are also evident.

So, the answers to Anymouse’s plea may be in a study of the two and those similarities. But, I don’t know enough of all the details to know if it is money, organization, hate of liberals, etc.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:50:07pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:50:48pm

re: #206 electrotek

Tell me about it. I would have killed to attend the inaugural Coachella in 1999. Just look at the lineup here:

[Embedded content]

So, it is held on a polo field.

That says a lot.

It sort of fits the impression the concert gives me. Your comments are adding to that impression.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:51:32pm

re: #207 Joe Bacon

Meanwhile, the former United CEO pours more gas on the fire…

cnbc.com

Not really. He said the passenger was being immature not United. Fuck them. Seriously.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:53:56pm

re: #167 Joe Bacon

All the money and none of the responsibility is how things are for CEOs in the US.

More blessings of feral capitalism.

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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:54:42pm

re: #209 Amory Blaine

Its like shopping for lumber around here. Menards-asshole. Home depot-asshole. Lowes- asshole. I’d have to cut my own fucking trees down.

At one time Columbus had a lot of really great lumber yards where the common person could get hardwoods, real good pine of all kinds, straight 2x4s that stayed straight once you got them out of the stack and high quality hardware, etc.

We are almost in the same exact position now with the big box crap stores.

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:55:59pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:58:25pm

I can only imagine the howls of Joe Walsh if the same thing happened to him on a United flight.

So shake you damn head Joe, meanwhile I’m flying the finger your way.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:59:04pm

re: #57 ObserverArt

As the Athenians noted to the Melians, “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

They may have given us democracy, philosophy, tragedy, comedy and history but the Athenians were generally major douchebags, and way too many people forget about the good stuff they created and follow the bad stuff.

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wrenchwench  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:59:48pm

The guy who brought me a burrito finally came back. With a different bike. And another burrito. And he borrowed a screwdriver and did his own work. So I gave him a locking cable so he can keep this bike a little longer. Looks like a nice one. Now I’m closed until Friday afternoon. Gotta do an overnighter to the big city to get my brain checked. Hopefully it won’t have to come out. [insert Monty Python .gif] Gotta get this burrito home and share it with Mr. w.

Later, lizards.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 10, 2017 • 4:59:56pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:00:13pm
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Joe Bacon  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:01:49pm

re: #222 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Every time I see that sequence I can’t stop laughing!

Somedays you just can’t get rid of a bomb!

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Archangelus  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:02:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:05:48pm

re: #138 Skip Intro

I don’t come across many crazy doctors, but every one I do is an elected Republican.

I’ve known some pretty crazy doctors. I worked as an ER security guard while I was in grad school in the 80s. I would write a book about it, but nobody would believe me.

One doc in particular was both a complete asshole to patients and a far-gone gun nut. He kept 8 or 10 guns in his car in the parking lot. One day, he approached me and said, in a confidential tone, “Hey, if you ever need some extra firepower, I have a full-auto AR-15 out in my Jeep.” I thanked him but said if it gets that bad, I will just call the National Guard.
He was finally fired (a great rarity for a doctor) over an incident with a patient who had come in after taking an overdose of sleeping pills. The doc was mad because we had to wake him up to treat her. He got her fixed up and, as she was leaving, he went up to her in front of the nurses and other patients and said, “Next time why don’t you save us all the trouble and use a gun!”
At that point she lit into him, pushed him back into a corner and started beating the hell out of him. He was a scrawny little guy and she was a very big woman. He screamed at me, “Officer, are you just going to let her do this?” My first thought was “Sure, she seems to be handling it okay by herself.”
After a few more punches, I relented and got control of the woman. She didn’t resist which was a good thing since she weighed about 330 pounds. I hauled her outside and told her, “Look, I know the guy is an asshole, but you can’t beat people up in here; it’s against the law.” I told her how to file a complaint, wrote up my own report and found out the next day that the doctor had gotten the boot, forever, and including his admitting privileges.

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:06:30pm

re: #162 Eclectic Cyborg

The suspended justice in question is Roy “Ten Commandments” Moore.

I’m still amazed he wasn’t Trump’s first SC pick. There’s always next time and with no filibuster there will be nothing to stop him.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:06:33pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

I’m checking my local school district. Got to call tomorrow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:07:14pm

re: #224 Archangelus

[Embedded content]

all of that obvious bullshit aside, is the fact that this man is 79 fucking years old.

Way to go, United…beating up on a old man to show how powerful you are.

*SPIT*

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Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:09:42pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

She looks like she could be Jefferson B. Sessions’ sister.

What, does everyone white in ‘bammy look the same??? /

Inbreeding.

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BeachDem  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:12:56pm

re: #26 EmmaAnne

Tap tap tap!

The part that really got me was the reading O’Reilly did of his ridiculous novel. Who could listen to that voice and that horrible inflection (or lack thereof) through a whole book? I loved John’s statement about the fictional character who is most glad not to be real (paraphrase.)

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whitebeach  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:13:13pm

re: #201 KGxvi

Honest question about the Alabama governor… does this mean there’s even the slightest chance that the Democrats could field a competitive candidate next year? Or is it just lost?

Sure they could. If Nick Saban announces as a Dem with second-coming Jesus at his side and they both trash libruls and immigrants and anybody who grew up on welfare and doesn’t weigh 280 and run a 4.5 forty. It wouldn’t hurt if they could both be photographed firing assault rifles too.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:14:02pm

re: #224 Archangelus

Let’s strive for some accuracy here…United Express Flight 3411 is a commuter service flying under contract to United by Republic Airways, which is owned by Republic Airways Holdings, which is listed as an OTC Pink sheets corporation under the ticket symbol RJETQ.

But at the end of the day, Republic Airlines is taking orders from United Corporate, and they are the ones who are 100% on the hook for this fiasco.

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:15:25pm

re: #229 Skip Intro

Inbreeding.

I’ve been wondering about inadvertent inbreeding, ie where two people get married without realizing that they are biological half-siblings. What would a genetic analysis of a small southern town or a long-established mega-church might reveal about, say, a popular pastor’s or local rich guy’s contributions to the gene pool.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:16:12pm

Notice how all the comments from current and past United executives speak poorly about the passenger?

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Teukka  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:17:50pm

[vent]
I’m so ticked off right now. There is a photo circulating on social media of one the victims of the attack here in Stockholm, a 11-year old girl.
And right-wingers are trying to score points on it.
Blue coat, purple trousers. Died on the scene.
Not telling you what to do, but I’d appreciate that if you see it, report it and the assholes that post it.
And yeah, it’s gruesome. Don’t actively search for it.
[/vent]

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:19:55pm

re: #230 BeachDem

The part that really got me was the reading O’Reilly did of his ridiculous novel. Who could listen to that voice and that horrible inflection (or lack thereof) through a whole book? I loved John’s statement about the fictional character who is most glad not to be real (paraphrase.)

It was literally the least sexy sex “scene” I’ve ever heard. One can totally imagine how bad he is in the sack. He can’t even muster a little excitement - a little inflection at a bare minimum (no pun intended) - when he’s talking through a freaking sex scene. He said “breasts” like most people say “shoes”.

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EPR-radar  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:21:22pm

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

Let’s strive for some accuracy here…United Express Flight 3411 is a commuter service flying under contract to United by Republic Airways, which is owned by Republic Airways Holdings, which is listed as an OTC Pink sheets corporation under the ticket symbol RJETQ. It wasn’t United employees on the aircraft, but Republic Airways employees.

But at the end of the day, Republic Airlines is taking orders from United Corporate, and they are the ones who are 100% on the hook for this fiasco.

United Express is the worst of the worst. If United wants to be in the flying cattle-car business, I can understand having a separate brand for that. But why on earth call it ‘United Express’? Something like ‘Nihilist Airlines’ would make much more sense.

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BeachDem  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:21:36pm

re: #31 thedopefishlives

If their people needed to be somewhere, United should provide an alternate mechanism other than waiting on standby. To me, “employee standby” is for employees who are wanting to take a flight somewhere as a perk, and should be lowest priority. If they are being transported as part of business operations to get them in position for a future run, that’s not standby.

When I was coming back from Florida last month, the plane was at the gate; the crew was at the gate; they waited 2+ hours for some employees who were deadheading on the flight (this was Spirit—don’t even get me started.)

I just want to say though, that people who continually say “I’ll never fly again—I’d rather drive” don’t seem to get the idea that if you live on one coast and have to go to the other coast for work, flying is not just an option, it’s the only feasible way to get where you’re going.

And now that American has sucked up USAir, things are even worse from where I live. Worse connections and higher fares. Our stupid little airport has super high gate fees, so we lost the bidding war for Southwest and JetBlue. Flying is a gigantic pain in the ass, but when you have to go thousands of miles, it is definitely preferable to do it in hours rather than days.

One other thing—they used to be pretty generous if you were willing to take a bump—next flight, free trips, and if it was going to be overnight they’d give you hotel vouchers, meal vouchers and transport vouchers. Not any more. It’s travel vouchers and you can fucking sleep on the floor at the airport. No thanks.

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MsJ  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:22:14pm

re: #232 Eric The Fruit Bat

But at the end of the day, Republic Airlines is taking orders from United Corporate, and they are the ones who are 100% on the hook for this fiasco.

And they are apparently quite ok with what happened.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:22:17pm

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

Notice how all the comments from current and past United executives speak poorly about the passenger?

Indeed. Tom Peters in one of his “…Of Excellence” series of books talks about the case of Jan Carlzon, who took SAS Airlines from 14th of 17th most punctual airline to number 1 in punctuality and stopped it from bleeding money and returned it to profitability all in a year’s time.

So how did he manage to achieve such success?

The nutshell answer is he understood what his customers valued and then designed his company to produce that value. The longer version is contained within the pages of Moments of Truth.

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BeachDem  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:25:46pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah, instead of facing 4 felonies, he gets to plead it down and resign. It’s good to be king governor.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:26:30pm

re: #238 BeachDem

USAir

Heh-I fondly remember that being an acronym for “USAir Sill Allegehny Agony Airlines In Reality”

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gocart mozart  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:27:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:28:28pm

re: #243 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

“excuse me, pardon me, coming through, thank you for your cooperation…”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:37:35pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:37:44pm

Erik Wemple, Washington Post: Storm Lake Times Pulitzer winner: ‘They give you 15 grand. That’s worth it.’

Whatever term you choose, Cullen and his small newspaper have scared something out of the powers that be in a few counties of northern Iowa. Since the founding of the Storm Lake Times in 1990, says Cullen, he and his brother John have been obsessed with how Iowa has changed its mode of agriculture. Gone are the cattle and grazing pastures, he says — they’ve been herded into feed lots. Meantime, the landscape has been gobbled up by expanses of corn and soybeans. With the changeover has come nitrate pollution. One of the first stories that the newspaper did, he recalls, reported how its coverage area had become “the hottest spot in Iowa for nitrate pollution.”

As the newspaper reported, the Agribusiness Association of Iowa “bailed” on the setup “rather than disclose who its mystery donors are.”

Don’t get the notion that all this is just an Iowa thing. As Cullen’s paper has pointed out, pollution from Midwestern farming leeches into waterways and affects life hundreds of miles away, including the Gulf of Mexico. “They’ve changed the entire agricultural system since 1980, without any consideration how it affects groundwater or surface water. It’s a national story. It’s just that it happened in our front yard and we’re still reporting on it,” says Cullen, who says he was turned down three times by the Des Moines Register over his career.

Perhaps the sweetest part of the Pulitzer, says Art Cullen, is the vindication it brings. “We took a lot of heat,” he says, referring to attacks from people in Iowa that the Storm Lake Times and the Cullen family are “anti-farmer.” Not so, he says: “My wife grew up on a farm. I got sh−− on my boots. I ain’t anti-farmer, but I’m anti-pollution.”

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Shiplord Kirel  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:38:08pm

Update from Lubbock:
Vandals target Lubbock Co. Democratic Party headquarters

Crosshairs, Nazi code numbers “14” and “88”

“Support your pres” Is anyone surprised?

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Amory Blaine  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:38:12pm

Why American Farmers Are Hacking Their Tractors With Ukrainian Firmware

A dive into the thriving black market of John Deere tractor hacking.

To avoid the draconian locks that John Deere puts on the tractors they buy, farmers throughout America’s heartland have started hacking their equipment with firmware that’s cracked in Eastern Europe and traded on invite-only, paid online forums.

Tractor hacking is growing increasingly popular because John Deere and other manufacturers have made it impossible to perform “unauthorized” repair on farm equipment, which farmers see as an attack on their sovereignty and quite possibly an existential threat to their livelihood if their tractor breaks at an inopportune time.

“When crunch time comes and we break down, chances are we don’t have time to wait for a dealership employee to show up and fix it,” Danny Kluthe, a hog farmer in Nebraska, told his state legislature earlier this month. “Most all the new equipment [requires] a download [to fix].”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:38:24pm

re: #156 electrotek

Guess something good is not going to happen anytime soon:

Fuckers

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Puss Power  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:38:39pm

re: #221 Eric The Fruit Bat

Is “Commentary” their token “so we aren’t seen to give them all to liberals*” award?

* and by liberals, I mean people who actually construct their stories out of facts.

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Swampwitch  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:41:23pm

re: #246 Eric The Fruit Bat

Storm Lake is 25 miles from my house and the Times is the only local rag worth reading.

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Puss Power  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:42:56pm

re: #236 MsJ

It was literally the least sexy sex “scene” I’ve ever heard. One can totally imagine how bad he is in the sack. He can’t even muster a little excitement - a little inflection at a bare minimum (no pun intended) - when he’s talking through a freaking sex scene. He said “breasts” like most people say “shoes”.

I was struck by the “10 seconds.” Does he keep a stopwatch handy?

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Archangelus  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:44:15pm

re: #156 electrotek

Guess something good is not going to happen anytime soon:

[Embedded content]

What am i not seeing (only getting the text and a blank white window)?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 10, 2017 • 5:48:38pm

re: #242 Eric The Fruit Bat

Heh-I fondly remember that being an acronym for “USAir Sill Allegehny Agony Airlines In Reality”

We always called it USScare

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Decatur Deb  Apr 10, 2017 • 6:17:04pm

re: #211 ObserverArt

Your comment makes me think (not in a bad way) of Anymouse and his constant plead for an all-states participation of the DNC.

Does Alabama have any Democratic structure or is it pretty dead in the weeds from years of neglect and being beaten down?

The differences in the two states are fairly clear, but the results seem to be the same. No real Democrats in office.

However, the similarities are also evident.

So, the answers to Anymouse’s plea may be in a study of the two and those similarities. But, I don’t know enough of all the details to know if it is money, organization, hate of liberals, etc.

Alabama Dems are not unified. Constant defection of elected Dem officials, race/age antagonism, and economics render them almost useless except for a few urban strongholds. Still, they are the only realistic opposition. That’s why Wife and I spend our presidential year effort out-of-state.

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BeachDem  Apr 10, 2017 • 6:26:59pm

re: #242 Eric The Fruit Bat

Heh-I fondly remember that being an acronym for “USAir Sill Allegehny Agony Airlines In Reality”

Oh yeah—but here, we have Spirit carrying about 60% of the passengers, with horrible schedules and terrible service (I even hate their annoying website), Delta, some United, and the NEW American—which has totally screwed up any good connections through Charlotte that US Air had, raised fares and continues to such canal water.

I will only fly Spirit if it’s a non-stop flight of less than 2 hours, but even then, they can fuck things up. When I was going to NY last year, they said they were circling the airport—forgot to mention they were circling Baltimore, not LaGuardia. Landed in Baltimore to refuel, let everybody off the plane but had no plan for how to get them back ON the plane. Then the pilot went on a huge rant about how the FAA was fucking everything up. Was supposed to get to NY at 4 pm—got there at 9:30. Thank goodness I convinced my friend that we should get our Hamilton tickets for the next night, instead of the day we got there. I would have fucking lost it altogether if I had missed the show.

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 8:33:51pm

re: #213 ObserverArt

So, it is held on a polo field.

That says a lot.

It sort of fits the impression the concert gives me. Your comments are adding to that impression.

It has precedence, actually.

Pearl Jam originally set the precedent when they hosted their almost 2 hour long concert at the same locale in 1993:

Pearl Jam - 1993-11-05 Indio, CA (Full Concert)

So it made sense that Goldenvoice would follow suit by hosting Coachella at the same venue, which to its credit has worked out very well. Even with the dusty environment, the desert locale and ambiance makes it worthwhile of an experience.

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electrotek  Apr 10, 2017 • 8:35:17pm

re: #208 KGxvi

I’ve never been to Coachella, despite living in Southern California. There’s been a couple of times I’ve been tempted (the year GNR reunited was probably the closest I came to buying tickets). Then I talk to people who have been and I realize that it seems like a generally shitty experience, especially now with how big it’s become (and I’m not much into EDM anyway).

I am, however, looking forward to going to Viva Las Vegas this weekend. Horton Heat, Wanda Jackson, Brenda Lee, Freddy Cannon. That’s going to be fun.

The crowd is very douchey and not appreciative of the rare acts that get on the bill, so yeah it’s a shitty experience for many. I’m hesitant on going back precisely because of the ever-growing douche factor, especially in an age of Trump being the fucking President.


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This 91-Year-Old Woman Just Earned Her Bachelor’s Degree After 10 Years of Studying The back-to-school commercials have started airing. The summer reading lists are coming due. It’s almost that time of year. And if students aren’t quite looking forward to getting back into their classrooms this month for another school year, the ...
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Give the Gift of LifeCJ was a good kid, he was a gentle soul. I could see a little of his mother and father in him. I didn't know we were alike in one way, that we were both addicts, until he was brain ...
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15 Product Trademarks That Have Become Victims of Genericization - Consumerist Sometimes, we hurt the ones we love. Which is why even if we didn’t mean to be so harsh, many products we use every day have become the victims of trademark genericization, meaning they’ve morphed from a single product ...
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