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Ace Rothstein  Jun 25, 2017 • 6:53:47pm
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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2017 • 6:54:27pm

Interesting. I was just coming back to share this. In it’s own way, it’s a similar feeling.

Iframe

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 25, 2017 • 6:56:28pm

Hauled up from downstairs
Here is what I was doing all day==>

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 6:59:12pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Hauled up from downstairs
Here is what I was doing all day==>

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Can I have a loaf?

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:01:09pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Me some too.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:01:38pm

I’ll leave the comments to you guys…. Tiring they are…

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:03:02pm

Follow the money

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A Cranky One  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:04:02pm

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, including an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

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William Lewis  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:07:07pm

re: #8 A Cranky One

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, from an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

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Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

Looks nice. I’d be really interested if I didn’t already have a really nice - and for hand wired tube amp cheap at $400 - VHT Special 6 Ultra. Almost never hear of them either but they’re really sweet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:10:37pm

The BCRA (“Better” Care Reconciliation Act) acronym associated with TrumpCare has disturbed many non-Republicans: it’s too similar to BRCA — the gene that causes many cases of breast cancer. This tax cut legislation drafted exclusively by men will eliminate the free screening that the ACA provided for detection of this gene; my guess is that it will probably not pay for the preventive surgery that women who carry this gene often request.

To quote Eric Trump, “I’ve never seen hatred like this. To me, they’re not even people. It’s so, so sad. Morality’s just gone, morals have flown out the window, and we deserve so much better than this as a country.” As has been said before, whenever a Trump criticizes a Democrat, it’s because the words actually apply to Trump and Republicans.

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:15:04pm

re: #8 A Cranky One

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, including an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

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Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

We used to use a lot of Traynor stuff when I was a kid in Philly - a friend of mine’s got a bass head he’s been using for what must be 45 years now and it still hasn’t given out.

They’re like the Slant 6 of amplifiers. You just can’t kill ‘em.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:21:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:23:52pm

Must… not … get into… Twitter fight… with… Scott Dworkin…. must resist…. can’t solve… everything… by… myself…

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:25:02pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Must… not … get into… Twitter fight… with… Scott Dworkin…. must resist…. can’t solve… everything… by… myself…

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A Cranky One  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:31:18pm

re: #9 William Lewis

Looks nice. I’d be really interested if I didn’t already have a really nice - and for hand wired tube amp cheap at $400 - VHT Special 6 Ultra. Almost never hear of them either but they’re really sweet.

Yah, the Traynor list price is about double that, but I got mine for not much more than your VHT. Local store has a special sale for repeat customers and I took advantage of their sale to pick up the Traynor. My Telecaster vintage ‘52 reissue guitar sounds marvelous through the Traynor. I may change the speaker at some point but overall have been very happy with the amp.

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allegro  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:37:39pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

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How ‘bout he recuse himself from anything DC and government. He has no business being there.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:37:50pm

Here’s a photo I’ve never seen before. Wondering if it’s a fake.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:40:51pm

Looks like it’s genuine.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:41:11pm

re: #8 A Cranky One

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, including an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

[Embedded content]

Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

re: #11 makeitstop

We used to use a lot of Traynor stuff when I was a kid in Philly - a friend of mine’s got a bass head he’s been using for what must be 45 years now and it still hasn’t given out.

They’re like the Slant 6 of amplifiers. You just can’t kill ‘em.

I remember a lot of mid to late 60s garage bands in and around northern Ohio used to use a lot of Traynor amps. I didn’t know they were still around. Or, is that a classic? They were decent priced and I think that made them popular.

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Belafon  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:41:51pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Looks like it’s genuine.

Found a reference here: bbc.co.uk

Edit: There’s also a couple of important paragraphs at the link:

Removal of trade unions and their replacement with the German Labour Front (DAF) prevented strikes. Many Germans preferred low paid jobs to unemployment.

The German economy seemed to improve under the Nazis. Unemployment appeared to fall. This helped the Nazis portray themselves as the saviours of Germany.

In reality, the apparent fall in unemployement was due to propaganda and the exclusion of certain groups in official statistics. For example, women and Jews were sacked from their jobs but not counted as unemployed.

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Kafitrar  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:42:04pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Looks like it’s genuine.

I think so too. This page has a picture taken at a different angle.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:44:40pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Looks like it’s genuine.

Why wouldn’t it be real? Wasn’t the Beetle developed based on Hitler’s demands?

From the Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org

In April 1934, Adolf Hitler gave the order to Ferdinand Porsche to develop a Volkswagen (literally, “people’s car” in German, pronounced [ˈfɔlksvaːɡən]).[17] The epithet Volks- literally, “people’s-” had been applied to other Nazi-sponsored consumer goods such as the Volksempfänger (“people’s radio”).

In May 1934, at a meeting at Berlin’s Kaiserhof Hotel, Chancellor Hitler insisted on a basic vehicle that could transport two adults and three children at 100 km/h (62 mph) while not using more than 7 litres of fuel per 100 km (32 mpg US/39 mpg UK).[12] The engine had to be powerful for sustained cruising on Germany’s new Autobahnen. Everything had to be designed to ensure parts could be quickly and inexpensively exchanged. The engine had to be air-cooled because, as Hitler explained, not every country doctor had his own garage (ethylene glycol antifreeze was only just beginning to be used in high-performance liquid-cooled aircraft engines. In general, radiators filled with water would freeze unless the vehicle was kept in a heated building overnight or drained and refilled each morning).[18]

The “People’s Car” would be available to citizens of Nazi Germany through a savings scheme, or Sparkarte (savings booklet),[19] at 990 Reichsmark, about the price of a small motorcycle. (The average weekly income was then around 32RM.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:50:20pm

re: #3 The Vicious Babushka

Oh my! Break out the cream cheese and some of my grandmother’s fruit jelly! DEE-LISH!!!!

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2017 • 7:53:38pm

re: #19 ObserverArt

I remember a lot of mid to late 60s garage bands in and around northern Ohio used to use a lot of Traynor amps. I didn’t know they were still around. Or, is that a classic? They were decent priced and I think that made them popular.

They were manufactured in Canada - they got the nickname of ‘the Canadian Ampeg’ because they were every bit as rugged as the stuff St. Louis Music was making back then. Our local music store was a distributor, so quite a few local bands used their stuff.

I’m pretty sure that’s a newer one. The old ones were pretty non-descript, with black control panel and black Tolex. Same logo, though.

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stpaulbear  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:01:04pm

re: #24 makeitstop

They were manufactured in Canada - they got the nickname of ‘the Canadian Ampeg’ because they were every bit as rugged as the stuff St. Louis Music was making back then. Our local music store was a distributor, so quite a few local bands used their stuff.

I’m pretty sure that’s a newer one. The old ones were pretty non-descript, with black control panel and black Tolex. Same logo, though.

Traynor was really popular in the Twin Cities. The band I was in in the early 70’s had Ampeg amps with the big cabinets (I’m a drummer so I don’t know the details other than they were tall). I loved the sound of those amps. The Faces used those amps too.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:01:46pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

To quote Eric Trump, “I’ve never seen hatred like this. To me, they’re not even people. It’s so, so sad. Morality’s just gone, morals have flown out the window, and we deserve so much better than this as a country.” As has been said before, whenever a Trump criticizes a Democrat, it’s because the words actually apply to Trump and Republicans.

Bullshit, Eric!

Your Dad pushed the birther lie and he treated Obama like a litter box. Your Dad endlessly trashed Obama for 8 years and there was no lie about Obama that he would not repeat. And who the F are you or any other Trump Family members think you are to lecture us about morality. Your whole family’s morality stems right from Ayn Rand’s Look Out for #1 and F everyone else and Anything Goes philosophy.

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Charles Johnson  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:03:04pm

And now, I give you… the epitome of the dim-witted Trump follower.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:04:40pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

He looks like he just snorted a kilo of cocaine.

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The Madness of King Orange (aka Sophist)  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:08:02pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:08:21pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

And now, I give you… the epitome of the dim-witted Trump follower.

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In competition with Hannity to who can fellate Donnie the most.

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allegro  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:09:58pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

And now, I give you… the epitome of the dim-witted Trump follower.

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That’s OLD Ken doll. After a hair transplant and teeth veneers.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:14:28pm

I’ve seen that glazed look somewhere before.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:14:28pm

re: #31 allegro

That’s OLD Ken doll. After a hair transplant and teeth veneers.

Billy got that cosmetic work done because he’s getting ready to sing this…

Tomorrow belongs to me! (With Lyrics)

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A Cranky One  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:16:23pm

re: #19 ObserverArt

I remember a lot of mid to late 60s garage bands in and around northern Ohio used to use a lot of Traynor amps. I didn’t know they were still around. Or, is that a classic? They were decent priced and I think that made them popular.

I’ve had the amp about 9 years, but bought it new. They’re still around.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:17:43pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

And now, I give you… the epitome of the dim-witted Trump follower.

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ICKKKK!

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:18:37pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Fax machine.

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:22:38pm

re: #25 stpaulbear

Traynor was really popular in the Twin Cities. The band I was in in the early 70’s had Ampeg amps with the big cabinets (I’m a drummer so I don’t know the details other than they were tall). I loved the sound of those amps. The Faces used those amps too.

The Ampegs were probably SVTs - when I played bass I had one with an ATA flight case (AKA an Anvil case). Far and away the heaviest amp I’ve ever owned, both in terms of weight and the sound they produced. Lucky for me, I had a road crew in that band and never had to lift it.

The Stones got those amps before anybody - Ampeg gave them nine prototype heads after they fried all their Fender gear due to a voltage mix up. The story is here - ampeg.com

I also used a VT-22 combo for guitar for a while. Loved that amp.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:28:16pm
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jaunte  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:31:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:31:52pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

And now, I give you… the epitome of the dim-witted Trump follower.

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He looks like an Evil Patrick Warburton.

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ObserverArt  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:32:44pm

re: #37 makeitstop

The Ampegs were probably SVTs - when I played bass I had one with an ATA flight case (AKA an Anvil case). Far and away the heaviest amp I’ve ever owned, both in terms of weight and the sound they produced. Lucky for me, I had a road crew in that band and never had to lift it.

The Stones got those amps before anybody - Ampeg gave them six prototype heads after they fried all their Fender gear due to a voltage mix up. The story is here - ampeg.com

I also used a VT-22 combo for guitar for a while. Loved that amp.

I remember having to lug around an old Acoustic 360 Bass Cabinet; the one with the 18” folded horn design and the amp in the bottom of the cabinet (mixer only in the head). Those suckers were hefty. And they could move a concrete floor with bass vibrations.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:36:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:37:14pm

re: #38 goddamnedfrank

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Sigh. Rendon from what I read is trying to strengthen the bill but Sanders can’t resist poisoning the well again.

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makeitstop  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:38:57pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

I remember having to lug around an old Acoustic 360 Bass Cabinet; the one with the 18” folded horn design and the amp in the bottom of the cabinet (mixer only in the head). Those suckers were hefty. And they could move a concrete floor with bass vibrations.

The bass player in my band still has one of those! He’s used it in rehearsals, but he swears it will never leave his garage. Too bad, it does sound really good. But I wouldn’t wish having to move it on my worst enemy.

Certain members of the first family or the administration, maybe. But no one not associated with Trump.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:39:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:41:57pm

re: #45 goddamnedfrank

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Sigh. What the hell is wrong with them? They really have become as cultish as Trump’s supporters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:44:13pm

re: #39 jaunte

Orrin Hatch ✔ @OrrinHatch
I cannot support any bill that would jeopardize health care coverage for Medicare beneficiaries. #tcot #utpol
9:25 PM - 1 Dec 2009
454 454 Retweets 534 534 likes

Maybe Hatch would start caring about Medicaid if he understood that about 31% of its funds go to nursing homes to help the elderly and disabled. He obviously doesn’t care about those who are poor — since they vote D, or don’t vote or support Trump and won’t blame the Republicans when they lose health coverage. He does care about the elderly and AARP, because they will assign the blame appropriately.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:45:07pm

Fact check

He went to FDR’s hot springs.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:45:49pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Fact check

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He went to FDR’s hot springs.

Important to be honest, yes.

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:46:44pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Important to be honest, yes.

I retweeted the false claim, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:51:39pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

I retweeted the false claim, of course.

Well at least you acknowledge now it was wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:54:40pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

I retweeted the false claim, of course.

Months ago I repeated a claim without investigating it; then had to retract my comments. I try to be careful but it’s easy to make this mistake, when it’s something that confirms your views

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Stanley Sea  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:56:03pm
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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 25, 2017 • 8:59:52pm

re: #42 jaunte

Accurate depiction of how a bucket of fried chicken looks after fasting sunrise to sunset during summer.

Eid Mubarak to those that it’s relevant to, btw.

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jaunte  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:00:32pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Can’t wait for her biography, “Growing Up With A Tax-Mad Dad.”

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:05:22pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Of course, Mr. Norquist, you didn’t bother to explain to her that taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized country.

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allegro  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:08:06pm

re: #56 Romantic Heretic

Of course, Mr. Norquist, you didn’t bother to explain to her that taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized country.

Those guys just want everything for free. Plantation Republicans.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:09:46pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:12:02pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:14:04pm

re: #56 Romantic Heretic

Of course, Mr. Norquist, you didn’t bother to explain to her that taxes are what we pay to live in a civilized country.

I posted that exact statement to FB after a RW friend of mine had posted the ridiculous ice cream meme to facebook: “The best way to teach your kids about taxes is by eating 30 percent of their ice cream.”

Maybe Norquist should move to a libertarian paradise like Somalia — I don’t believe they collect taxes there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:19:31pm

You lucky devils, I am going to be off LGF for three or four days. Our water tower repair project started this evening.

You’d be amazed what you can put in a Smart car (like a seven and one-half foot water valve wrench, a fire hydrant wrench, and a pipe wrench big enough to serve as a boat anchor).

After fitting pressure relief valves to two hydrants to prevent the well pumps from blowing up our water system, and a fire hose to another to drain the water tower into the irrigation canal, the village chairwoman got dozens of calls within a few minutes from angry residents. They were complaining about low water pressure. (We’ve been warning them for a month about this, but it’s easier to call the chairwoman to complain, about which she can do nothing - and I’m the guy they’re supposed to be calling, and I’m the only one in the phone book.)

Went back out and re-adjusted the pressure relief valves on the hydrants to allow slightly higher pressure.

Went to the water tower to unlock the ladder so the iron company can access the tower for repairs, and about five of us were going through an ancient box of keys trying to figure out which key opens the lock on the ladder.

In the middle of that, a rattlesnake slithered up to all of us and set off its characteristic rattles. No one was bit as we slowly (then quickly) got the hell out of there, but I’m rattled now.

Tomorrow I’m on the hook for the iron company to call. The work is expected to last three days, after which we have to fill the tank, they have to disinfect it, we have to empty it, then we have to fill it again.

So lucky LGF, I won’t be around much to cause complaints… . I’ll be hitting the rack early tonight as this project kicks off shortly after dawn tomorrow.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:22:24pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

What do you use to keep supplying water to the town, and keep the pressure up?

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allegro  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:22:56pm

re: #62 retired cynic

What do you use to keep supplying water to the town, and keep the pressure up?

He blows real hard?

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Romantic Heretic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:22:57pm

re: #60 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe Norquist should move to a libertarian paradise like Somalia — I don’t believe they collect taxes there.

Not in the form of money. But he’ll pay for ‘protection’ at least since ‘libertarian paradises’ bear a remarkable resemblance to prisons.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:23:05pm

re: #61 Anymouse

What a nice look at how things really work. People don’t listen, but the water will have its way.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:29:54pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

If you can hit the snake with a hard spry from a hose. It will leave. That way you can spare its like to continue to eat rodents and other good things.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:31:46pm

re: #62 retired cynic

What do you use to keep supplying water to the town, and keep the pressure up?

Water TOWER will maintain head pressure by gravity.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:33:15pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

Water TOWER will maintain head pressure by gravity.

I meant while it is empty and under repair.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:34:13pm

re: #48 Stanley Sea

Fact check

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He went to FDR’s hot springs.

I mentioned that here in a comment a couple days ago. You may credit me for digging that up. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:41:31pm

re: #62 retired cynic

What do you use to keep supplying water to the town, and keep the pressure up?

Currently, one of the two water well pumps is switched to “manual” (meaning it runs continuously). The water tower is now cut out of the water system, so the well is pressurising the town directly.

However, the well pump pushes water at a far higher rating than our village water system pipes (and home pipes) are rated, hence the relief valves on the fire hydrants. (If the pressure in the water system gets too high, then the valves open and release pressure via the hydrants.)

Normally the water pumps push water directly up the water tower. After cutting the water tower out of the system, we opened the cross-connect valve at the tower to connect the pumps directly to the water system.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:41:41pm

re: #68 retired cynic

I meant while it is empty and under repair.

My guess is that the entire town is being fed direct by the well pumps. That’s why they’ve got the pressure relief valves attached to the hydrants, to deal with any transient spikes caused by switching latency. If I recall correctly they already have individual reverse osmosis machines in every house instead of a centralized purification plant and I think they’re still on a boil order because the disrepair was letting insect pests from a nearby farm operation pollute the water inside the tower.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:42:30pm

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

Currently, one of the two water well pumps is switched to “manual” (meaning it runs continuously). The water tower is now cut out of the water system, so the well is pressurising the town directly.

However, the well pump pushes water at a far higher rating than our village water system pipes (and home pipes) are rated, hence the relief valves on the fire hydrants. (If the pressure in the water system gets too high, then the valves open and release pressure via the hydrants.)

Normally the water pumps push water directly up the water tower. After cutting the water tower out of the system, we opened the cross-connect valve at the tower to connect the pumps directly to the water system.

Got it!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:43:13pm

re: #67 Dave In Austin

Water TOWER will maintain head pressure by gravity.

The water tower is cut out of the water system so we can drain it for the iron company in the morning. The only thing it is connected to at the moment is the fire hydrant right next to it, which is draining it into the irrigation canal. (Farmers are getting city water for free. If we could figure out how to bill them… .)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:44:27pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

My guess is that the entire town is being fed direct by the well pumps. That’s why they’ve got the pressure relief valves attached to the hydrants, to deal with any transient spikes caused by switching latency. If I recall correctly they already have individual reverse osmosis machines in every house instead of a centralized purification plant and I think they’re still on a boil order because the disrepair was letting insect pests from a nearby farm operation pollute the water inside the tower.

Yup. We’re not on a boil order now, but that is why we’re doing the repairs (no screens on the water tower vents, so insects can get in, and birds build nests in the vents).

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:47:39pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

You lucky devils, I am going to be off LGF for three or four days. Our water tower repair project started this evening.

You’d be amazed what you can put in a Smart car (like a seven and one-half foot water valve wrench, a fire hydrant wrench, and a pipe wrench big enough to serve as a boat anchor).

After fitting pressure relief valves to two hydrants to prevent the well pumps from blowing up our water system, and a fire hose to another to drain the water tower into the irrigation canal, the village chairwoman got dozens of calls within a few minutes from angry residents. They were complaining about low water pressure. (We’ve been warning them for a month about this, but it’s easier to call the chairwoman to complain, about which she can do nothing - and I’m the guy they’re supposed to be calling, and I’m the only one in the phone book.)

Went back out and re-adjusted the pressure relief valves on the hydrants to allow slightly higher pressure.

Went to the water tower to unlock the ladder so the iron company can access the tower for repairs, and about five of us were going through an ancient box of keys trying to figure out which key opens the lock on the ladder.

In the middle of that, a rattlesnake slithered up to all of us and set off its characteristic rattles. No one was bit as we slowly (then quickly) got the hell out of there, but I’m rattled now.

Tomorrow I’m on the hook for the iron company to call. The work is expected to last three days, after which we have to fill the tank, they have to disinfect it, we have to empty it, then we have to fill it again.

So lucky LGF, I won’t be around much to cause complaints… . I’ll be hitting the rack early tonight as this project kicks off shortly after dawn tomorrow.

Sounds fun!
Except the snake part.
Also, I find no reason to complain about you.
:)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:50:58pm

re: #61 Anymouse 🌹

You lucky devils, I am going to be off LGF for three or four days. Our water tower repair project started this evening.

We will miss you here. See you later this week!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:51:50pm

re: #75 Varek Raith

Sounds fun!
Except the snake part.
Also, I find no reason to complain about you.
:)

Aw, gee, thanks. (::

I’ve been known to cause trouble here on occasion.

Would be nice if this job paid… . (neither village board nor water operator pays here … which is partly why it’s tough to find someone to do either)

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:52:43pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. We’re not on a boil order now, but that is why we’re doing the repairs (no screens on the water tower vents, so insects can get in, and birds build nests in the vents).

When we were Really Farming, a man that worked for us also handled the water system for the nearest tiny hamlet (around the size of yours), and they kept having a problem. They suspected one of the farmers that the main line from the pump in the river bottom ground was tapping into it for irrigation water, and letting contaminants in, but it was hard to catch them. He stayed up nights, and finally caught them. They yelled bloody murder, and fought the case in court, saying they deserved to take what they wanted, and they never really paid the amount they actually cost the town. The drama kept our village occupied for many months.

Our well water out in the bottoms was just solid rust. Solid. With grit. Pipes and appliances would only last a couple of years before they filled up. When we moved, we got a well that was full of lime. It was such a relief to get city water. Some things are better not strained through your teeth!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 9:56:35pm

re: #78 retired cynic

When we were Really Farming, a man that worked for us also handled the water system for the nearest tiny hamlet (around the size of yours), and they kept having a problem. They suspected one of the farmers that the main line from the pump in the river bottom ground was tapping into it for irrigation water, and letting contaminants in, but it was hard to catch them. He stayed up nights, and finally caught them. They yelled bloody murder, and fought the case in court, saying they deserved to take what they wanted, and they never really paid the amount they actually cost the town. The drama kept our village occupied for many months.

Our well water out in the bottoms was just solid rust. Solid. With grit. Pipes and appliances would only last a couple of years before they filled up. When we moved, we got a well that was full of lime. It was such a relief to get city water. Some things are better not strained through your teeth!

Our village water system doesn’t require treatment (other than the RO units to remove arsenic and uranium). The water here is very clean.

Our village has been in a fight with one person who owns a house here (but doesn’t live here) which has an illegal well. The state is demanding the well be decommissioned, but the village board does not have the authority to go on this fellow’s property to do it. His issue is it costs too much, plus it isn’t contaminating anything (now).

The village attorney has been working up the paperwork through the usual progressive set of legal remedies that the village will seek if the well is not closed. (Eventually, if he refuses, the state will get involved.)

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:01:53pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Our village water system doesn’t require treatment (other than the RO units to remove arsenic and uranium). The water here is very clean.

Our village has been in a fight with one person who owns a house here (but doesn’t live here) which has an illegal well. The state is demanding the well be decommissioned, but the village board does not have the authority to go on this fellow’s property to do it. His issue is it costs too much, plus it isn’t contaminating anything (now).

The village attorney has been working up the paperwork through the usual progressive set of legal remedies that the village will seek if the well is not closed. (Eventually, if he refuses, the state will get involved.)

People who don’t live in tiny villages have no idea of the drama they miss.

During floods, we had folks wandering around with guns to protect their rights to stay dry, and during droughts, vice versa. We had a man named Bad Eye who lived in a basement near us. No house, just a basement. Sometimes people who wouldn’t fit in anywhere else manage quite nicely in a tiny place, where others accommodate their rough edges. Seems like we don’t have as many characters as we used to, ‘tho. Pity!

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:02:09pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Our village water system doesn’t require treatment (other than the RO units to remove arsenic and uranium). The water here is very clean.

Our village has been in a fight with one person who owns a house here (but doesn’t live here) which has an illegal well. The state is demanding the well be decommissioned, but the village board does not have the authority to go on this fellow’s property to do it. His issue is it costs too much, plus it isn’t contaminating anything (now).

The village attorney has been working up the paperwork through the usual progressive set of legal remedies that the village will seek if the well is not closed. (Eventually, if he refuses, the state will get involved.)

Could you, I dunno, send me some of that uranium? I need it for, uh, stump removal.
Yeah.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:03:45pm

re: #80 retired cynic

People who don’t live in tiny villages have no idea of the drama they miss.

During floods, we had folks wandering around with guns to protect their rights to stay dry, and during droughts, vice versa. We had a man named Bad Eye who lived in a basement near us. No house, just a basement. Sometimes people who wouldn’t fit in anywhere else manage quite nicely in a tiny place, where others accommodate their rough edges. Seems like we don’t have as many characters as we used to, ‘tho. Pity!

I’m not sure how guns would work better than sandbags, but that’s just me. /s

“Bad Eye?” Sounds like you live in the Old West. (Wait, I live in the Old West.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:05:51pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Could you, I dunno, send me some of that uranium? I need it for, uh, stump removal.
Yeah.

LOL. You’d have to get it out of the water filters when the service company removes and replaces the filters. (I’m not sure there is much at any one time … maybe I should take a Geiger counter to my RO unit and see what sorts of things I’m collecting under my kitchen sink.)

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teleskiguy  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:07:20pm

The game is given away.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:07:39pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not sure how guns would work better than sandbags, but that’s just me. /s

“Bad Eye?” Sounds like you live in the Old West. (Wait, I live in the Old West.)

This is Very Old West. And we have had thousands of sandbags in our lives, TYVM. We finally Lost the Farm after 5 big river floods, the last in that gigantic flood down the Missouri-Mississippi-Illinois in 1993. The water was 14 feet deep on our “high ground.” Seen it, got the t-shirt.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:17:46pm

re: #85 retired cynic

Sorry. TMI? The guns were when keeping one side of town from flooding, made the other side of town get wet.

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The Ghost of Senator Incitatus  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:23:27pm

re: #84 teleskiguy

Giant radioactive mutation of the Just World Fallacy.

Anything goes wrong, it’s because you deserve it. And when they make things go wrong…you will still deserve it.

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Varek Raith  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:23:34pm

re: #85 retired cynic

This is Very Old West. And we have had thousands of sandbags in our lives, TYVM. We finally Lost the Farm after 5 big river floods, the last in that gigantic flood down the Missouri-Mississippi-Illinois in 1993. The water was 14 feet deep on our “high ground.” Seen it, got the t-shirt.

Yeesh.
What was “low ground” like?

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:26:36pm

re: #88 Varek Raith

Yeesh.
What was “low ground” like?

Thirty or so… It’s a wide river bottom, maybe five miles where we were, and it was well up on the bluff on either side. Looked like the ocean. Had big waves and white caps. After the levee broke, and the water started going down, the rest of the levee helped hold it in. So for months it was all under water. Killed all the trees.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:29:41pm

re: #85 retired cynic

This is Very Old West. And we have had thousands of sandbags in our lives, TYVM. We finally Lost the Farm after 5 big river floods, the last in that gigantic flood down the Missouri-Mississippi-Illinois in 1993. The water was 14 feet deep on our “high ground.” Seen it, got the t-shirt.

Yikes. That’s a lot of water.

We’re on the valley side-slope of the North Platte about forty feet and about a mile away, so we should be safe from flooding here (unless the water tower collapses, then we’re done).

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Mattand  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:38:02pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Thanks so much for posting that. I’m coming off of two of the shittiest weeks of my life. Watching Norquist get stomped into the ground on his own turf has brought me a bit of joy.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:39:10pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

Yikes. That’s a lot of water.

We’re on the valley side-slope of the North Platte about forty feet and about a mile away, so we should be safe from flooding here (unless the water tower collapses, then we’re done).

It was so much water coming down the Mississippi, that the Illinois ran backwards. That’s how we got wet. Some school children put a bottle in the North Platte up in your neck of the woods, and it came down there, down the Missouri, down the Mississippi for a ways, and then came backwards and landed up north of here. Satellite photos from that period were something.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:49:47pm

This is a link to a satellite photo, showing the St Louis area normally and during the flood. We were to the north of this about 40 miles.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 10:58:08pm

re: #92 retired cynic

It was so much water coming down the Mississippi, that the Illinois ran backwards. That’s how we got wet. Some school children put a bottle in the North Platte up in your neck of the woods, and it came down there, down the Missouri, down the Mississippi for a ways, and then came backwards and landed up north of here. Satellite photos from that period were something.

Wow.

Right now the North Platte is very high (and there has been a flood warning just downstream from us for a month), because of overfilled water impoundments upstream in Wyoming. To prevent something like what happened in Oroville, California, they opened many dams upstream from us.

(The village of Lewellyn, downstream about thirty miles from us, has had its park underwater for about a month.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:00:01pm

re: #93 retired cynic

This is a link to a satellite photo, showing the St Louis area normally and during the flood. We were to the north of this about 40 miles.

Wow. The area between the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi in that photograph is completely flooded for about 15km. The Illinois River looks like a lake.

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:00:36pm

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

Wow. The area between the confluence of the Missouri and Mississippi in that photograph is completely flooded for about 15km. The Illinois River looks like a lake.

Yeah, one of the Great Lakes! /

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:02:04pm

re: #96 retired cynic

Yeah, one of the Great Lakes! /

Lake Illinois.

The water tower just called me to tell me its lonely. I’m guessing I’m going to get these calls all night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:06:19pm

Australian lawmaker makes history by breastfeeding while addressing Parliament. (with video)

huffingtonpost.com

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BigPapa  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:18:40pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:32:54pm

Seantor Ron Johnson (R-Wisc) says “no way healthcare vote should occur this week.”

huffingtonpost.com

Senator Johnson is an extremely right-wing politician, so I can’t say if this is kabuke theatre or if he is truly concerned for his constituents or if he is concerned for his Senate seat. (He just got reëlected so the latter seems not to be it to me.)

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:34:14pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

IIRC, he didn’t think it went far enough, along with Rand Paul, xxx Lee and Ted Cruz.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:37:33pm

re: #101 retired cynic

IIRC, he didn’t think it went far enough, along with Rand Paul, xxx Lee and Ted Cruz.

About the only thing helping us is the far-right wing in the GOP can’t agree with the further-right-wing. Every time someone makes a concession to one side, the other says “no way.”

I’m guessing if they actually get a bill together, they’ll all vote for it (allowing for Republicans in threatened seats to “vote their conscience” such as Susan Collins).

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retired cynic  Jun 25, 2017 • 11:47:18pm

It’s too late here; I’ve got to call it a night. Sorry to talk so much.

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Kragar  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:10:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:18:06am

re: #103 retired cynic

It’s too late here; I’ve got to call it a night. Sorry to talk so much.

I have to get to bed too. Fun times with rattlesnakes, water towers, and fire hydrants tomorrow. G’night y’all.

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Lupin  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:23:48am

American likely to be sidelined and treated as pariah by rest of the world at forthcoming G20:

The Guardian

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Kragar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:28:29am

re: #106 Lupin

American likely to be sidelined and treated as pariah by rest of the world at forthcoming G20:

The Guardian

Elections have consequences.

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Kragar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:29:26am
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Kragar  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:48:01am
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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 1:59:40am

re: #109 Kragar

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God help us. The Idiocracy is here.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:09:50am

This will end when Republican stupidity reaches the point at which large segments of the base forget to breathe, start walking out in front of speeding trucks, and try to emulate Jesus by walking across the local pond. We will see mass die-offs from simple household accidents and preventable poisonings. This trend will first be evident in densely Republican areas like Maricopa County and Lubbock.

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teleskiguy  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:11:18am

re: #111 Shiplord Kirel

Don’t forget about all those “hunting accidents” on the weekends.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 2:22:54am

re: #112 teleskiguy

Don’t forget about all those “hunting accidents” on the weekends.

We can cite the Republicans’ own hatred of regulation when we refuse to ban new Republican-oriented products like shower stall microwave ovens, explosive tipped lawn darts, and tiger-stocked petting zoos.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:26:17am

re: #8 A Cranky One

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, including an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

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Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

I never use a Traynor as a guitar amp. It’s all about the bass…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:27:53am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Here’s a photo I’ve never seen before. Wondering if it’s a fake.

Whether the photo is fake or not, the history of the VW Beetle is clear: it was intended as Germany’s “People’s Car”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:32:17am

re: #52 Hecuba’s daughter

Months ago I repeated a claim without investigating it; then had to retract my comments. I try to be careful but it’s easy to make this mistake, when it’s something that confirms your views

only cowards retract claims. don’t retreat, reload!!! invent new facts!!! The answer is Bowling in the Green!!!

/

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:33:13am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never use a Traynor as a guitar amp. It’s all about the bass…

No treble

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:38:18am

re: #84 teleskiguy

Kellyanne Conway: Those on Medicaid who will lose health insurance can always get jobs

It is an article of faith that once the nation is relieved of the oppressive economic burden of ACA, that everyone, even the lowliest retail or food-service worker, will be able to find a well paying job with benefits and an insurance plan to cover any possible condition.

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Shiplord Kirel  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:38:19am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Here’s a photo I’ve never seen before. Wondering if it’s a fake.

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I believe that’s real. That is definitely one of the pre-war prototype Beetles and Hitler, its leading promoter, would not have missed the official roll out.

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:38:32am

Hitler was in fact photographed several times with the Beetle.

Here’s another photo with him sitting in the back of one.
Image: 99721_f520.jpg

Trump’s version of a people’s car would be a golf cart.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:39:40am

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never use a Traynor as a guitar amp. It’s all about the bass…

re: #117 wheat-dogg

No treble

Go to your room!

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:40:18am

The internet tries to teach Grover Norquist to think before tweeting/speaking…it probably won’t make any difference…

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 3:53:27am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:10:20am

Numerous Ohio state Websites were hacked, apparently by Daesh (so-called Islamic State), including Gov. Kasich’s and the Department of Corrections.

The message left was:

“Anti: Govt all word
You will be held accountable Trump, you and all your people for every drop of blood flowing in Muslim countries.
I love the Islamic state”

Numerous state Websites have been pulled down. More at:
cleveland.com

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2017 • 4:19:20am

re: #121 Teukka

Go to your room!

That’s the only line from the song I can remember, since she repeats it about 100 times.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:02:36am

Eric Garland’s response to the Grover Norquist $35 guitar tweet:

I wanna hang with this Garland dude one of these days.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:09:58am

re: #125 wheat-dogg

That’s the only line from the song I can remember, since she repeats it about 100 times.

I know. It wormed its way into my ears as well. o.o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:12:29am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Numerous Ohio state Websites were hacked, apparently by Daesh (so-called Islamic State), including Gov. Kasich’s and the Department of Corrections.

The message left was:

Numerous state Websites have been pulled down. More at:
cleveland.com

That’s what we get for letting hateful liberals murder President Trump every night on stage in Central Park…

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:13:04am
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jeffreyw  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:14:57am

Imgur
Good morning!

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:28:57am

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Numerous Ohio state Websites were hacked, apparently by Daesh (so-called Islamic State), including Gov. Kasich’s and the Department of Corrections.

The message left was:

Numerous state Websites have been pulled down. More at:
cleveland.com

Russian hackers causing chaos?

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:33:59am

re: #131 Eventual Carrion

Russian hackers causing chaos?

Could be. Or it could be Daeshbag hackers.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:40:09am

Wait, so all the talk about a $35 guitar originated from a Grover Norquist tweet? Eeccch, I feel dirty now.

*read all of the thread, alpuz… all. of. the. thread.*

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:40:20am

re: #132 Teukka

Could be. Or it could be Daeshbag hackers.

Could be either. But when I heard of this this morning on NPR as I was coming into work, first thought was Russians stirring up some shit.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:42:42am

re: #133 (Bert the Turtle)

Wait, so all the talk about a $35 guitar originated from a Grover Norquist tweet? Eeccch, I feel dirty now.

*read all of the thread, alpuz… all. of. the. thread.*

I read most of that thread this morning.

Grover learned about the Law of Unintended Consequences yesterday.

And the thread is still going.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:45:03am

re: #132 Teukka

Could be. Or it could be Daeshbag hackers.

we will never know…remember, chaos and misinformation are the easiest things to spread in today’s current political and media climate…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:45:52am

re: #133 (Bert the Turtle)

Wait, so all the talk about a $35 guitar originated from a Grover Norquist tweet? Eeccch, I feel dirty now.

*read all of the thread, alpuz… all. of. the. thread.*

order it on line from out of state. problem solved. If daddy is too cheap to kick in the five bucks sales tax, then shut up and get a decent job

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Weaselone  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:48:51am

re: #126 makeitstop

Eric Garland’s response to the Grover Norquist $35 guitar tweet:

Someone or multiple someones also found the guitar in question for a lower price. So not only did Norquist not teach his daughter about sales tax prior to the purchase, he also forgot to teach her about price shopping.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:49:04am

re: #133 (Bert the Turtle)

Wait, so all the talk about a $35 guitar originated from a Grover Norquist tweet? Eeccch, I feel dirty now.

*read all of the thread, alpuz… all. of. the. thread.*

Grover is why I hoped his daughter learns the punk ethos & aesthetic. It would be appropriate karma.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:51:48am
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Weaselone  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:52:31am

re: #138 Weaselone

Which when you think of it is pretty much the modern conservative movement in a nutshell. Ignorant rage puppets spreading their ignorance to create more ignorant rage puppets.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:52:39am
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:52:43am

What’s Ivanka’s title again? Oh yeah…daughter.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:53:27am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:54:23am

re: #139 William Lewis

Grover is why I hoped his daughter learns the punk ethos & aesthetic. It would be appropriate karma.

Yeah, I see it now, but that went completely over my head yesterday.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:57:00am

re: #109 Kragar

Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!

— Donald J. Trump

This is the day that dTumpR became presid….

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 5:58:15am

Trump’s awake.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:00:02am

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Closing in on 4,000 replies to this Tweet —>

— Steven Dennis

Grover thinks this is a compliment. See, I made all the big-government, tax-loving liberals mad.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:01:20am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:02:05am

re: #140 darthstar

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:03:59am
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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:04:01am

re: #37 makeitstop

The Ampegs were probably SVTs - when I played bass I had one with an ATA flight case (AKA an Anvil case). Far and away the heaviest amp I’ve ever owned, both in terms of weight and the sound they produced. Lucky for me, I had a road crew in that band and never had to lift it.

The Stones got those amps before anybody - Ampeg gave them nine prototype heads after they fried all their Fender gear due to a voltage mix up. The story is here - ampeg.com

I also used a VT-22 combo for guitar for a while. Loved that amp.

I loved the sound the Stones got out of those. Driving and Crying made the claim once that they had some of the Stones originals.*

*Check that. A friend who helped D&C as a volunteer in the Atlanta area told me that they made that claim.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:06:20am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Your dad’s the President, you have an office in the west wing, you just flew to see Angela Merkel, and your husband is doing the Secretary of State’s job (and doing a shitty job of it), and you like to stay out of politics?

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:09:14am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

EXCLUSIVE!!!! We at FOX NEWS are working extra hard to get you our loyals fans viewers EXCLUSIVE interviews with America’s greatest president and family.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:09:32am

There is a quote from the Talmud: “Someone who is always finding flaws in others, that is his own flaw.”

Every insult, every accusation that Trump hurls, describes HIM and something HE HIMSELF HAS DONE.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:09:56am

re: #153 darthstar

Your dad’s the President, you have an office in the west wing, you just flew to see Angela Merkel, and your husband is doing the Secretary of State’s job (and doing a shitty job of it), and you like to stay out of politics?

“OK, but besides all that I really like to stay out of politics.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:09:57am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

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Sure.

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Teukka  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:10:38am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

There is a quote from the Talmud: “Someone who is always finding flaws in others, that is his own flaw.”

Every insult, every accusation that Trump hurls, describes HIM and something HE HIMSELF HAS DONE.

Another quote from the Talmud, relevant to righties: “Three things come unexpected: a scorpion, something found, and the Messiah.”

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:11:16am

Trump’s on a good rage for a Monday…I’m guessing there may be a shoe about to drop today…maybe one with film…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:12:21am

re: #159 darthstar

..under a magnifying glass, they have zero “tapes” of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!

— Donald J. Trump

Somebody seems upset….

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:12:36am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:12:48am

There’s that famous “good temperament” he talked about during the debates I see.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:13:29am

re: #153 darthstar

Your dad’s the President, you have an office in the west wing, you just flew to see Angela Merkel, and your husband is doing the Secretary of State’s job (and doing a shitty job of it), and you like to stay out of politics?

She does not want to have to give a deposition, so suddenly she is just a concerned citizen…

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:13:32am

re: #159 darthstar

..under a magnifying glass, they have zero “tapes” of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!

— Donald J. Trump

Some day there will be an America free from a dTrumf presidency.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:15:32am

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

I loved the sound the Stones got out of those. Driving and Crying made the claim once that they had some of the Stones originals.*

*Check that. A friend who helped D&C as a volunteer in the Atlanta area told me that they made that claim.

Imagine having just one of those prototypes! Ampeg gave them nine of them, every prototype they had.

Imagine Mick trying to sing over Wyman, Keef and Taylor, at 300w each.

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steve_davis  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:17:00am

re: #8 A Cranky One

Carryover from last thread: I have a number of guitar amps, including an old Magnavox tube amp, several modeling amps and one really nice tube amp I’ve never seen mentioned by other players here:
Traynor YCV40R amp

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Build quality is excellent. Uses a classic CelestionTM Vintage 30 speaker. Sounds great. Surprised more folks haven’t noticed them.

I not only noticed these, I used to own both that and the wine-red cab extension. Really outstanding sound.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:17:01am

re: #155 The Vicious Babushka

There is a quote from the Talmud: “Someone who is always finding flaws in others, that is his own flaw.”

Every insult, every accusation that Trump hurls, describes HIM and something HE HIMSELF HAS DONE.

Or as my social-worker sister and her colleagues say: “you spot it, you got it.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:17:05am

re: #164 Sir John Barron

Some day there will be an America free from a dTrumf presidency.

That day can’t come soon enough. He’s an absolute embarrassment. He never acts remotely like a President.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:18:23am

re: #167 Barefoot Grin

Or as my social-worker sister and her colleagues say: “you spot it, you got it.”

I think Wharton in the Age of Innocence had a good line about how moral hypocrites understand morality better than others since they’re constantly violating it.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:21:46am
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:22:07am

re: #160 Sir John Barron

Somebody seems upset….

And a bit worried about tapes.

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covfefe  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:22:18am
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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:24:17am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She does not want to have to give a deposition, so suddenly she is just a concerned citizen…

She’s a high ranking government official in court - exempt, executive privilege, immune from prosecution.

She’s just a concerned citizen on Fox and Friends because brand marketing.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:25:12am

re: #172 covfefe

And “pee”…

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:26:08am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:26:10am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

Man, irony just can’t catch a break. It’s being steamrolled by the GOP.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:28:29am

re: #159 darthstar

..under a magnifying glass, they have zero “tapes” of T people colluding. There is no collusion & no obstruction. I should be given apology!

— Donald J. Trump

Shame everybody is picking on him. It’s not like he’s President of the United States or that he campaigned on the pledge to LOCK HER UP! Why’s everyone giving this private citizen with little wealth and no power so much hassle?

////

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:29:12am

Okay…just saw Gollum J Trump…kind of cute for the Middle Earth crowd to enjoy.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:29:20am

re: #165 makeitstop

Imagine having just one of those prototypes! Ampeg gave them nine of them, every prototype they had.

Imagine Mick trying to sing over Wyman, Keef and Taylor, at 300w each.

This was my Ampeg head. I’m pretty sure the Ampeg cab I used had a metal bar built into the back. It was like a self-contained dolly.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:30:14am

Ha!

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:32:13am

Good Morning.

Ahhh. Finally back in the country(Dominican Republic). Took my wife there for our 10th Anniversary (2 years late, but that’s another story). I was completely unplugged last week. Got some thread catch up to do. Did read a good book while I was gone.
Ghosts of Mississippi

Good to be back home.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:36:31am
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:38:13am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s been busy this morning with nonstop tweets. Guess he got bored with PDBs and didn’t want to consider nominating anyone for the 100s of positions that are still unfilled across key national security and foreign policy positions, as well as at the Justice Department.

He’s got Russia on his mind, and it’s all Obama’s fault that Obama didn’t stop Russia from meddling in the election (which means identifying and stopping Trump and his cronies who were busy meeting with Russians all over the place and excluding those meetings from security clearance forms that are specifically clear that if you omit meetings, you are subject to federal felonies for perjury).

Today’s also the last day of the Supreme Court term, which means that Trump’s Muslim ban is upcoming….

Oh, and Masterpiece Cakeshop was granted cert, which means that case will get heard in the fall. That’s odd considering that the Court declined to hear a similar case previously and had denied cert in the case previously.

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Weaselone  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:38:14am

re: #170 darthstar

In Trump’s defense, the current Secretary of State is probably even less suited to that task than his son-in-law.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:39:41am

re: #183 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s been busy this morning with nonstop tweets. Guess he got bored with PDBs and didn’t want to consider nominating anyone for the 100s of positions that are still unfilled across key national security and foreign policy positions, as well as at the Justice Department.

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He’s got Russia on his mind, and it’s all Obama’s fault that Obama didn’t stop Russia from meddling in the election (which means identifying and stopping Trump and his cronies who were busy meeting with Russians all over the place and excluding those meetings from security clearance forms that are specifically clear that if you omit meetings, you are subject to federal felonies for perjury).

Today’s also the last day of the Supreme Court term, which means that Trump’s Muslim ban is upcoming….

Oh, and Masterpiece Cakeshop was granted cert, which means that case will get heard in the fall. That’s odd considering that the Court declined to hear a similar case previously and had denied cert in the case previously.

All he does is bitch or congratulate himself.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:43:04am

re: #179 (Bert the Turtle)

This was my Ampeg head. I’m pretty sure the Ampeg cab I used had a metal bar built into the back. It was like a self-contained dolly.

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Yep, and a pair of wheels where the reflex angled back on the bottom.

The SVT cabs had 8 10” speakers, but I later found an Ampeg reflex guitar cabinet the called the G-60, with 6 tens. It was a little easier on the road crew than the Big Boy.

My SVT and G-60 now reside in a friend’s recording studio. Once I went back to guitar in 1992 I sold the rig to him. It still works, and the output levels can still hurt you.

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sagehen  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:43:47am

Translation of Trump tweets:

“I’m rubber, you’re glue
whatever you say bounces off me
and sticks to you.”

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:44:05am

re: #179 (Bert the Turtle)

This was my Ampeg head. I’m pretty sure the Ampeg cab I used had a metal bar built into the back. It was like a self-contained dolly.

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And my back hurts just looking at that thing. :)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:49:24am

re: #167 Barefoot Grin

Or as my social-worker sister and her colleagues say: “you spot it, you got it.”

The one that smelt it, dealt it.
Whoever denied it, supplied it.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:50:43am

re: #170 darthstar

I get that sometimes having an envoy handling specific foreign policy matters makes sense. The US has used envoys to deal with Middle East politics for decades, but none of them were as inexperienced or ignorant as Kushner.

Kushner doesn’t even pass the smell test when it comes to understanding his role and what his goal and outcome was supposed to be. It’s all bullshit all the time from Trump, and he thinks Kushner is some kind of genius when it comes to everything?

Why? What has Kushner done, besides getting married to his daughter? He manages his family’s real estate fortune - a situation not unlike Trump and his spawn. They haven’t worked to get where they are. They inherited their wealth and privilege, and in these parts (Bergen County) it’s known that Kushner wasn’t seen as the brightest bulb in the room and that daddy paid his way to Harvard.

Money has its privileges, but it wont solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict when you don’t know what the issues are (and then make them worse by apparently taking sides when you’re supposed to be the neutral 3d party).

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:53:01am

re: #190 lawhawk

I get that sometimes having an envoy handling specific foreign policy matters makes sense. The US has used envoys to deal with Middle East politics for decades, but none of them were as inexperienced or ignorant as Kushner.

Kushner doesn’t even pass the smell test when it comes to understanding his role and what his goal and outcome was supposed to be. It’s all bullshit all the time from Trump, and he thinks Kushner is some kind of genius when it comes to everything?

Why? What has Kushner done, besides getting married to his daughter? He manages his family’s real estate fortune - a situation not unlike Trump and his spawn. They haven’t worked to get where they are. They inherited their wealth and privilege, and in these parts (Bergen County) it’s known that Kushner wasn’t seen as the brightest bulb in the room and that daddy paid his way to Harvard.

Money has its privileges, but it wont solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict when you don’t know what the issues are (and then make them worse by apparently taking sides when you’re supposed to be the neutral 3d party).

Quite frankly, Jared’s as qualified as I am to be an envoy for Israeli/Palestine. You’re absolutely right. The only reason why Jared got this job was because of his wife is. Trump practices some of the most blatant nepotism you’ll ever see but his base doesn’t care because he’s not Hillary or Obama and he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants according to them.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:53:38am

Add Sammy Hagar to the list of entitled d-bag has-been rock stars who, in between talking about his private jet and meals in Seville, says the rest of us slobs should STFU and let Trump make mistakes, because they’re not gonna impact him in any meaningful way (except maybe make him even more money)…

How would you grade Trump as a president so far?

I don’t think you can grade him yet, because the poor guy can’t get anything done. The opposition has become so crazy that they’re not gonna even give him a chance. I’d like to see him have a chance. He’s the president of the United States, and without getting any changes he ain’t helping us. So maybe he makes some changes that don’t work, and then maybe the next guy will come in and say, “That didn’t work, I’ll do it this way.” Because I don’t think anybody knows what the fuck they’re doing out there right now.

Take a seat, Sammy. Nobody cares, except maybe Rolling Stone who got another page of print out of it.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:53:52am

re: #190 lawhawk

I’m pretty sure nobody told Jared he was supposed to be neutral. Just go ‘make the deal’…throw Netanyahu’s demands out there, and see what you can negotiate…

Not exactly a well thought out plan.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:54:02am

re: #140 darthstar

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:55:18am

re: #192 makeitstop

Add Sammy Hagar to the list of entitled d-bag has-been rock stars who, in between talking about his private jet and meals in Seville, says the rest of us slobs should STFU and let Trump make mistakes, because they’re not gonna impact him in any meaningful way (except maybe make him even more money)…

Take a seat, Sammy. Nobody cares, except maybe Rolling Stone who got another page of print out of it.

Yawn indeed.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:56:02am

re: #165 makeitstop

Imagine having just one of those prototypes! Ampeg gave them nine of them, every prototype they had.

Imagine Mick trying to sing over Wyman, Keef and Taylor, at 300w each.

I know why that guy screams “goddamn” in the break of “Midnight Rambler” on the “Get Yer Ya-Yas” take; it must have been smashing his sternum.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:56:25am

re: #194 lawhawk

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Then you should vacate your WH office and we shouldn’t expect to see you going on official WH business. Oh wait though, you got your stupid brand to promote. I’m sorry but I loathe this family. I loathe how blatantly corrupt and bigoted they are.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:56:43am

re: #192 makeitstop

Add Sammy Hagar to the list of entitled d-bag has-been rock stars who, in between talking about his private jet and meals in Seville, says the rest of us slobs should STFU and let Trump make mistakes, because they’re not gonna impact him in any meaningful way (except maybe make him even more money)…

Take a seat, Sammy. Nobody cares, except maybe Rolling Stone who got another page of print out of it.

Not surprised. Sammy’s one of the more wingnutty rockers.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:57:39am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

Not surprised. Sammy’s one of the more wingnutty rockers.

I do remember hearing that. Still though. He wants to talk about Trump’s opposition. Obama literally had opposition that questioned his citizenship but yeah it’s so crazy to bring up Trump and Russia. I mean it’s not like Trump repeatedly kissed Putin’s ass during the election.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:58:09am

re: #198 Sir John Barron

Not surprised. Sammy’s one of the more wingnutty rockers.

I’d value David Lee Roth’s take before SH. And that ain’t much at all.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 6:59:44am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

I do remember hearing that. Still though. He wants to talk about Trump’s opposition. Obama literally had opposition that questioned his citizenship but yeah it’s so crazy to bring up Trump and Russia. I mean it’s not like Trump repeatedly kissed Putin’s ass during the election.

His song V.O.A. (Voice of America) is pretty jingo-y. Catchy tune. But not really indicative of deep thought. Doesn’t sound like he’s matured much since then.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:03:22am

re: #200 Barefoot Grin

I’d value David Lee Roth’s take before SH. And that ain’t much at all.

At least Roth would have said something funny.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:04:48am

In other news - Happy Monday from my boy Beano, AKA Senor Awesome.

Yes. I am awesome.
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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:06:52am

re: #201 Sir John Barron

His song V.O.A. (Voice of America) is pretty jingo-y. Catchy tune. But not really indicative of deep thought. Doesn’t sound like he’s matured much since then.

I mean there are talented wingnut entertainers out there. Just seems like many of them don’t think.

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Weaselone  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:09:27am

re: #194 lawhawk

Got to love it. It’s like the Trump version of wave particle duality. She’s simultaneously unable to attend a deposition because she’s a “high ranking government official”, while totally trying to keep from being involved in politics. I’d say it was hack-huckster duality, but I’m not sure that has quite the connotation I’m looking for.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:12:24am

re: #205 Weaselone

Got to love it. It’s like the Trump version of wave particle duality. She’s simultaneously unable to attend a deposition because she’s a “high ranking government official”, while totally trying to keep from being involved in politics. I’d say it was hack-huckster duality, but I’m not sure that has quite the connotation I’m looking for.

It’s the Trump family way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:13:15am
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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:14:48am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

I do remember hearing that. Still though. He wants to talk about Trump’s opposition. Obama literally had opposition that questioned his citizenship but yeah it’s so crazy to bring up Trump and Russia. I mean it’s not like Trump repeatedly kissed Putin’s ass during the election.

The GOP still wont address how and why the GOP platform suddenly became pro-Russia during the convention.

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No Depression  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:16:03am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I mean there are talented wingnut entertainers out there. Just seems like many of them don’t think.

And even then, their talent is usually very superficial. Hagar’s the perfect example. Yeah, he’s probably a “better” vocalist than David Lee Roth technically speaking, but he completely lacks Roth’s energy and charisma, and Van Halen’s material suffered as a result when he came on board.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:17:11am

It makes me sick that so many american’s health care is dependent on the whims of merchants.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:21:09am

Speaking of old rock stars…Rush’s Geddy Lee Gigs as One Man Band at Area Mall

Canadian musician Geddy Lee made an appearance today at the at Sarnia’s Lambton Mall playing a variety instruments in a “one man band” configuration called “Doctor Lee’s One Man Band.” The famous multi-instrumentalist, who is known as the lead singer for the Canadian progressive rock band Rush, was largely ignored by mall goers who didn’t seem to recognize the famous musician.

“I was just trying to American Eagle,” said 17 year old Alicia Murphy who seemed annoyed that Mr. lee was blocking the entrance to her favorite store. “You know, this is why everyone is shopping online because they don’t want to be harassed by all these people asking for money.”

According to several shoppers, Mr. Lee setup a small ensemble featuring a Ukulele, horn, a few cymbals and foot-controlled snare drum. His set included a variety of crowd-pleaders including “Smoke on the Water,” “Brown-eyed Girl,” and a particular rocking rendition of “Old MacDonald,” which pleased many children in attendance.

(I know, fake news. But I’d take this over Sammy Hagar’s blithering in a minute.)

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:21:34am

re: #180 darthstar

Ha!

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Zoinks! She blocked me for a retweet. Fingers sure are twitchy these days.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:23:43am

re: #209 No Depression

And even then, their talent is usually very superficial. Hagar’s the perfect example. Yeah, he’s probably a “better” vocalist than David Lee Roth technically speaking, but he completely lacks Roth’s energy and charisma, and Van Halen’s material suffered as a result when he came on board.

Right.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:28:35am

re: #209 No Depression

And even then, their talent is usually very superficial. Hagar’s the perfect example. Yeah, he’s probably a “better” vocalist than David Lee Roth technically speaking, but he completely lacks Roth’s energy and charisma, and Van Halen’s material suffered as a result when he came on board.

The only upside to Hagar in VH was that he wasn’t Gary Cherone.

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:28:54am

re: #211 makeitstop

Speaking of old rock stars…Rush’s Geddy Lee Gigs as One Man Band at Area Mall

(I know, fake news. But I’d take this over Sammy Hagar’s blithering in a minute.)

Hah! I fell for it. Was going to say, maybe it wasn’t his presence so much as insistence on doing standards like “Brown-eyed Girl” in 7/8 that annoyed people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:29:46am

re: #126 makeitstop

Eric Garland’s response to the Grover Norquist $35 guitar tweet:

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I wanna hang with this Garland dude one of these days.

As others pointed out in the tweets, the Norquist position seems inconsistent with R ideology: Rs are all in favor of raising the regressive sales tax and reducing income tax so that the persecuted rich will pay an even lower share of the burden of running the country. Of course, Norquist is the one who wants to drown the government in a bathtub. He apparently is an Ayn Rand fan. So destroying this country is an embedded part of his faith and Trump voters have done their best to help achieve that goal.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:30:51am

re: #212 (Bert the Turtle)

Zoinks! She blocked me for a retweet. Fingers sure are twitchy these days.

When I find someone’s blocked me, I mute them. Then I don’t notice I’m unable to respond, which I find annoying as hell. I don’t know that I’ve ever blocked anyone except maybe a hostile troll or two.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:31:07am

re: #209 No Depression

And even then, their talent is usually very superficial. Hagar’s the perfect example. Yeah, he’s probably a “better” vocalist than David Lee Roth technically speaking, but he completely lacks Roth’s energy and charisma, and Van Halen’s material suffered as a result when he came on board.

Eddie finally got his chart-topping hit record w/ Van Hagar. At least that’s how I seem to remember it. Personally, I couldn’t stand it.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:32:30am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:35:36am

SCOTUS to hear Trump’s racist travel ban.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:36:56am

re: #209 No Depression

And even then, their talent is usually very superficial. Hagar’s the perfect example. Yeah, he’s probably a “better” vocalist than David Lee Roth technically speaking, but he completely lacks Roth’s energy and charisma, and Van Halen’s material suffered as a result when he came on board.

I had a buddy when I was in college who was a ‘roadie’ for local bands in the Sacramento music scene in the 80s…had a Van Halen tattoo right above a Sammy Hagar tattoo on his arm…when Sammy joined VH, I said, “Man, you must feel like the luckiest guy alive…”

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:40:25am

Yikes, this is a timely (for us) article from Wapo:
The slow, secret death of the electric guitar

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wheat-dogg  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:40:41am

re: #181 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Good Morning.

Ahhh. Finally back in the country(Dominican Republic). Took my wife there for our 10th Anniversary (2 years late, but that’s another story). I was completely unplugged last week. Got some thread catch up to do. Did read a good book while I was gone.
Ghosts of Mississippi

Good to be back home.

Give it a day or two, and you’ll want to go back to DR. /

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:42:09am

re: #219 (Bert the Turtle)

Eddie finally got his chart-topping hit record w/ Van Hagar. At least that’s how I seem to remember it. Personally, I couldn’t stand it.

If I have to listen to VH, I’ll take the early stuff - “Dance the Night Away” & “Jump” being my personal favorites.

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:44:18am

re: #221 Dr. Matt

SCOTUS to hear Trump’s racist travel ban.

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And they’re letting the ban take effect in the meantime too.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:47:48am

re: #226 Timothy Watson

And they’re letting the ban take effect in the meantime too.

From what I briefly heard on TV is that if someone entering the country has ties here (relatives, school, job, etc) will be exempt.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:49:59am

re: #221 Dr. Matt

SCOTUS to hear Trump’s racist travel ban.

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Can’t see them ruling for him at all.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:50:01am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

Yikes, this is a timely (for us) article from Wapo:
The slow, secret death of the electric guitar

Yeah, I’ve read it. As long as Harry doesn’t kill Gibson, things will be ok until the next superhero comes along. In the meantime people like Gary Clark Jr & The Edge will keep the flame.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:53:00am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:54:13am

re: #181 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Good Morning.

Ahhh. Finally back in the country(Dominican Republic). Took my wife there for our 10th Anniversary (2 years late, but that’s another story). I was completely unplugged last week. Got some thread catch up to do. Did read a good book while I was gone.
Ghosts of Mississippi

Good to be back home.

Hope you had a wonderful time!

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covfefe  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:55:03am

re: #220 darthstar

From the AP article:

But Trump and some others within his administration have been pressing for a full bilateral meeting. He’s calling for media access and all the typical protocol associated with such sessions, even as officials within the State Department and National Security Council urge more restraint, according to a current and a former administration official.

But he won’t give our reporters the time of day for press briefings…

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Unshaken Defiance  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:55:40am

re: #229 William Lewis

The guitar article reminds me of the disruption digital imaging has wrought upon photography and film making.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:56:49am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Why not? Especially if Kennedy retires. The institutions of our government are all failing us and it is not likely to recover in our life time.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:57:32am

re: #234 Hecuba’s daughter

Kennedy’s not retiring. He even made a joke about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 7:58:31am

re: #234 Hecuba’s daughter

Why not? Especially if Kennedy retires. The institutions of our government are all failing us and it is not likely to recover in our life time.

He’s not retiring and any judge that Trump would appoint to replace him would have to sit it out anyhow.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:00:35am

re: #235 Belafon

Kennedy’s not retiring. He even made a joke about it.

Finally some good news.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:01:32am

re: #233 Unshaken Defiance

The guitar article reminds me of the disruption digital imaging has wrought upon photography and film making.

Except that digital offered a qualitative difference & no darkroom needed while there is nothing out there that does a guitar’s job better than a guitar. We might see them mutate again ala the shift from the Lute to the Spanish guitar - far less of a difference than that of film to digital - but they won’t go away.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:02:59am

re: #223 Amory Blaine

Yikes, this is a timely (for us) article from Wapo:
The slow, secret death of the electric guitar

Do I have to pay a subscription to read this??

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Citizen K  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:04:37am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Can’t see them ruling for him at all.

Any bets on whether this little distinction will make it to CBP? My guess is ‘no’.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:04:56am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Do I have to pay a subscription to read this??

Reprinted at Chicago Tribune which is where I read it. chicagotribune.com

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Barefoot Grin  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:05:01am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Do I have to pay a subscription to read this??

It opened for me in private browser mode.

I’m not too worried about it. I don’t want music to be stagnant, and if that means less guitar but more interesting music—fine. Plus, I can’t afford anything new now anyway, so nanny nanny boobers.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:05:50am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:06:54am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

He’s not retiring and any judge that Trump would appoint to replace him would have to sit it out anyhow.

Glad to hear that!

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:08:08am

re: #241 William Lewis

Reprinted at Chicago Tribune which is where I read it. chicagotribune.com

Cool. Thanks.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:08:49am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Do I have to pay a subscription to read this??

Not if you browse it incognito or whatever private browser you use.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:10:38am

re: #246 Amory Blaine

Not if you browse it incognito or whatever private browser you use.

Whoa. That works too. I learned a new trick. Thanks

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:13:35am

re: #150 The Vicious Babushka

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She’s getting uglier every day.

Has a Trump ever said anything that was not a lie? I wouldn’t trust them in ordinary conversation.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:17:42am

re: #153 darthstar

Your dad’s the President, you have an office in the west wing, you just flew to see Angela Merkel, and your husband is doing the Secretary of State’s job (and doing a shitty job of it), and you like to stay out of politics?

Translation: I am losing money because my dad being President is exposing our family and all that fake aura we built up being so successful is being seen for what it is…fraud. So, I need to distance myself as soon as I can.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:20:19am

re: #243 Dr. Matt

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Must be nice when you can bitch about baking a cake gets you all the way to SCOTUS.

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makeitstop  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:25:00am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:25:40am

re: #230 The Vicious Babushka

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That sucked.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:27:25am

re: #251 makeitstop

I didn’t collude! She colluded! So collusion is OK! So I did collude! Not wrong! Just like her!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:27:38am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Must be nice when you can bitch about baking a cake gets you all the way to SCOTUS.

It took over 100 years after the Civil War before stores were barred from discriminating on the basis of race. As long as Kennedy is on the SC, the ruling will hopefully be the correct one. Otherwise, discrimination will return in full force.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:28:27am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Must be nice when you can bitch about baking a cake gets you all the way to SCOTUS.

“Hey, we didn’t get into business to have to serve those people.”

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:29:48am

Considering Bernie is not a Democrat, why wouldn’t HRC and the Democratic Party work together to defeat him? FFS, the math isn’t that difficult.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:29:53am

re: #255 Sir John Barron

“Hey, we didn’t get into business to have to serve those people.”

“Are bartenders going to have to start serving robots?!!”

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Timothy Watson  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:30:35am

re: #257 Belafon

“Are bartenders going to have to start serving robots?!!”

we don’t serve their kind here

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:31:38am

re: #192 makeitstop

Add Sammy Hagar to the list of entitled d-bag has-been rock stars who, in between talking about his private jet and meals in Seville, says the rest of us slobs should STFU and let Trump make mistakes, because they’re not gonna impact him in any meaningful way (except maybe make him even more money)…

Take a seat, Sammy. Nobody cares, except maybe Rolling Stone who got another page of print out of it.

You know Hagar has always bothered me. Now I have proof why I always suspected him to be a major asshole.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:32:30am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Considering Bernie is not a Democrat, why wouldn’t HRC and the Democratic Party work together to defeat him? FFS, the math isn’t that difficult.

Considering everyone involved on the Democratic side was American, you have no argument, Donald.

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FormerDirtDart  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:35:12am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:35:41am

Saga of the water tower continues …

I went through town at 2:30 this morning to check on the open hydrants keeping the water system pressure in check with the tower off line and the well directly connected to the system. Good to go.

Tower is continuing to drain, though the iron company said it didn’t have to be completely empty the first day.

Just got a call from the iron company: Our truck is broken down in the middle of nowhere, we won’t be there until tomorrow. (Gaa. Extra day of this now.)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:35:45am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Considering Bernie is not a Democrat, why wouldn’t HRC and the Democratic Party work together to defeat him? FFS, the math isn’t that difficult.

Exactly, I’m sorry but I’m far from furious that the DNC showed preference to someone who actually is in their party and doesn’t shit all over it the first chance he gets. Bernie wanted to use the Democratic Party for Bernie while at the same time attacking them. Bernie in many way should represent what people hate about politics but I think so few people know he’s not really a Dem so they buy the victim bs.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:36:37am

re: #261 FormerDirtDart

Ron Johnson: People with preexisting condition don’t deserve insurance like ‘somebody who crashes their car’ rawstory.com pic.twitter.com

— Raw Story

Some major Donald Trump logic there.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:36:43am

re: #260 Belafon

Considering everyone involved on the Democratic side was American, you have no argument, Donald.

Yeah it’s a stupid argument from a stupid man.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:37:20am
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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:38:18am

re: #159 darthstar

Trump’s on a good rage for a Monday…I’m guessing there may be a shoe about to drop today…maybe one with film…

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Per Tom Danehy, Tucson Weekly:

About all we have is that one moment in the morning between where we wake up and see that the sun is shining and when we remember who is the President of the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:38:41am

re: #261 FormerDirtDart

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Resisting the temptation to wish cancer on him or someone he loves. I didn’t choose my heart condition, it chose me or more accurately my genetics did. Sad to think WI once had Feingold and they’ve given this schmuck two chances now.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:39:09am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:39:23am

re: #264 Sir John Barron

Some major Donald Trump logic there.

Well, in a sense, an insurance plan is a sort of socialistic scheme (albeit a very bad one because insurance is run by corporations). Thus the reflexive actions by many Republicans against insurance, or people like Ron Johnson who don’t understand how it works.

Then there is the “just world fallacy” (in this case, you won’t get ill or injured unless you deserve it), a principle feature of Calvanist religious thought.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:39:35am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

Can’t see them ruling for him at all.

I wish I could be confident that will be the case. I am not.

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William Lewis  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:40:55am

So anyway, it’s my day off and I’ve been puttering with my guitar in between posts here. If anyone cares to listen to a bad recording made by putting my phone on top of my amp, I’ve got the first cut of the music for song I’m trying to write. The recording is poor & there are a bunch of hiccups in my playing as I’m still trying to get the rhythm and progression down (especially the shift from the key of G to C and back at the bridge) but if anyone wants to listen and comment, I’d not mind. It’s on my google drive:
drive.google.com

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:42:43am

re: #271 ObserverArt

I wish I could be confident that will be the case. I am not.

Long as we have Kennedy, I’m confident. Roberts may even rule the right way too. Alito and Thomas are useless. Dunno about Gorsuch, I’d love it if he stuck it to Trump here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:42:45am

re: #271 ObserverArt

I wish I could be confident that will be the case. I am not.

See Hobby Lobby.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:45:16am

That means I get to run around with a seven-foot long water valve wrench and a fire hydrant wrench in my Smart for another day.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:46:00am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s a stupid argument from a stupid man.

Not stupid at all. He is preparing his supporters for the verification of collusion. And they won’t care.

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Interesting Times  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:46:33am

re: #271 ObserverArt

I wish I could be confident that will be the case. I am not.

From Trump travel ban injunction lifted in part by Supreme Court:

The court also said it would allow a 120-day ban on all refugees entering the US to go into effect, allowing the government to bar entry to refugee claimants who do not have any “bona fide relationship” with an American individual or entity.

Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch wrote in the ruling that they would have allowed the travel ban to go into full effect, pending a review.

SCOTUS is well on its way to going full fascist.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:47:05am

re: #239 Dr. Matt

Do I have to pay a subscription to read this??

I might be late with a suggestion but try to open it in a private window.

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:47:54am

re: #256 Dr. Matt

Considering Bernie is not a Democrat, why wouldn’t HRC and the Democratic Party work together to defeat him? FFS, the math isn’t that difficult.

No, the “math” isn’t difficult, but the concept of Party organization (except as a convenient “establishment” whipping-boy for an ideological minority to excuse its unpopularity) seems to be an alien one to most of the Berniebots.

Hillary Clinton was a (mostly) lifelong Democrat: she worked with and for the Party all her career; was an elected Democratic Senator; served a Democratic President in his Administration, ran for President once already (on the Democratic ticket) - lost, and then spent years building up a campaign organization - as a Democrat - to try again in 2016. And won (despite the BoB crowd’s gibberings) fairly. With the help of the national Party structure she had been working with and supporting for eight years.

Bernie Sanders was a lifelong Socialist/Independent; he eschewed Party affiliation for his whole career, then jumped into the race late: as a Democrat: (despite not formally being one), and lost the delegate primaries fair and square.

Yet somehow, Hillary’s “collusion” with the DNC is somehow bad, wrong or corrupt? Do these idiots really not know how politics (pretty much everywhere) works?

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:50:43am

re: #277 Interesting Times

From Trump travel ban injunction lifted in part by Supreme Court:

SCOTUS is well on its way to going full fascist.

Okay, not hopeful at all with Gorsuch now.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:51:24am

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

See Hobby Lobby.

I was talking about the immigration EO.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:51:26am

re: #253 Sir John Barron

I didn’t collude! She colluded! So collusion is OK! So I did collude! Not wrong! Just like her!

That may be the issue: He (or whoever tweeted that for him) is trying to obfuscate in readers’ minds what the word “collusion” means.

“She colluded with the Democrats, and I colluded with the Russians and the Republicans, so it’s a push.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:52:09am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I was talking about the immigration EO.

Mixed up my wingnut EOs. Sorry.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:52:36am

re: #279 Jay C

No, the “math” isn’t difficult, but the concept of Party organization (except as a convenient “establishment” whipping-boy for an ideological minority to excuse its unpopularity) seems to be an alien one to most of the Berniebots.

Hillary Clinton was a (mostly) lifelong Democrat: she worked with and for the Party all her career; was an elected Democratic Senator; served a Democratic President in his Administration, ran for President once already (on the Democratic ticket) - lost, and then spent years building up a campaign organization - as a Democrat - to try again in 2016. And won (despite the BoB crowd’s gibberings) fairly. With the help of the national Party structure she had been working with and supporting for eight years.

Bernie Sanders was a lifelong Socialist/Independent; he eschewed Party affiliation for his whole career, then jumped into the race late: as a Democrat: (despite not formally being one), and lost the delegate primaries fair and square.

Yet somehow, Hillary’s “collusion” with the DNC is somehow bad, wrong or corrupt? Do these idiots really not know how politics (pretty much everywhere) works?

The thing is Sanders’ campaign had some shady shit going as well but everyone wants to present Bernie as this somehow ethically pure as the driven snow guy and he’s just not that. I’m not saying he’s the most corrupt politician or even corrupt but if you seriously think Sanders doesn’t do shady shit, then you’re lying to yourself.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:53:00am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Mixed up my wingnut EOs. Sorry.

All good. I’m with you on that one. I’m much less optimistic about it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:53:50am

re: #270 Anymouse 🌹

Well, in a sense, an insurance plan is a sort of socialistic scheme (albeit a very bad one because insurance is run by corporations). Thus the reflexive actions by many Republicans against insurance, or people like Ron Johnson who don’t understand how it works.

Then there is the “just world fallacy” (in this case, you won’t get ill or injured unless you deserve it), a principle feature of Calvanist religious thought.

What makes you think Ron Johnson doesn’t understand? He understands completely; he DOESN’T CARE. The chief attribute of the few R’s who are not psychopaths is that they don’t care about an issue unless it affects someone they love; for example, those who suddenly support gay rights when their child turns out to be gay.

Of course, they also care about an issue if it affects their re-election prospects. Unfortunately due to vote suppression, voter apathy, and voter ignorance, the R’s have no reason so far to care about that now either.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:53:51am

The key to the immigration EO will be Roberts and Kennedy. I think we can get at least one.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:57:40am

Alito is worse than Scalia was IMO. Scalia would occasionally find his blind squirrel nuts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 8:59:19am

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

What makes you think Ron Johnson doesn’t understand? He understands completely; he DOESN’T CARE. The chief attribute of the few R’s who are not psychopaths is that they don’t care about an issue unless it affects someone they love; for example, those who suddenly support gay rights when their child turns out to be gay.

Of course, they also care about an issue if it affects their re-election prospects. Unfortunately due to vote suppression, voter apathy, and voter ignorance, the R’s have no reason so far to care about that now either.

Well, his statement about car insurance seems to indicate there is something there he doesn’t understand, but maybe that’s just the way I read it because so may other Rs have made similar statements.

In the meantime, Theresa May gets her coalition with 10 MPs from the wingnut Dominionist DUP (I originally wrote dip) party, for a promise of £1 billion extra for Northern Ireland.
bbc.com

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KingKenrod  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:05:23am

SCOTUS will probably allow the immigration EO, ignoring Trump’s statements to the contrary as as political posturing.

But the point should be moot, right? The travel ban was only 90 or 120 days, temporary while Trump figured out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON and putting EXTREME VETTING in place. He’s done that, right? Right?

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:10:26am

In Ohio political news. We get to watch a guy that has held almost every freaking office in this state running for most likely his last…governor. I thought many voters say they hate established career politicians.

I sure hope Ohio Democrats can get someone young and with some political chops to run against this ass.

Columbus Dispatch - DeWine announces for governor, stresses better schools, fight against opioids

CEDARVILLE — Long-harbored plans finally were acknowledged Sunday afternoon featuring a candidate and down-home setting familiar to generations of Ohio Republicans.

Amid scoops of ice cream and slices of the 170 pies baked by wife Fran and her helpers, Attorney General Mike DeWine announced his candidacy for the GOP nomination for governor in 2018 at his family’s annual ice-cream social at their Greene County homestead.

Greeted by a crowd numbering around 1,000, one of Ohio’s best-known politicians stressed that he would work hard every day for Ohioans and focused, in particular, on tackling the state’s opioid addiction and death crisis and improving K-12 schools.

“Ohio is a great state. But, we have some very significant problems … the vision of the future for far too many Ohio adults is obscured by poverty, drugs and despair,” DeWine said.

“The tragedy of our state today is that too many Ohioans never will realize their dreams because they simply lack the education, the skills, the training, and in too many cases, the sobriety.

Here is an article from Ohio”s Democratic Party Chairman David Peppers that came out last week already working on a theme about that career politician issue I mentioned.

The Columbus Dispatch - Democrat chairman takes aim at DeWine as ‘status quo’

The same thing that makes Mike DeWine the favorite to win the Republican gubernatorial nomination could come back to haunt him.

At least, that’s the opinion of David Pepper, who became Ohio Democratic Party chairman after losing to DeWine in the 2014 attorney general race.

DeWine has signaled he finally will announce his candidacy on Sunday at his family’s annual ice cream social at their home near Cedarville.

Since he has held elective office nearly nonstop since 1977, including stints as U.S. senator and lieutenant governor, DeWine “is the best-known name in the field, clearly the favorite in that primary,” Pepper said Friday.

But, that same experience will prove a liability come the statewide races in 2018, which Pepper portrays as a “change election.”

“Mike DeWine does not represent change in any way. He represents the status quo as much as any official could,” the chairman said. “He is the worst-suited candidate to promise a change in direction when he has been on the scene so long.”

Ohioans are thirsting for a change of power in Columbus amid below-average job growth, a “stagnant economy,” a lethal opioid crisis and six-plus years of Republican leadership at all levels, Pepper said. “The overall model the Republicans have brought to Columbus is just not working … it’s the context for what 2018 will be about.”

The Democrat candidates — Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley, State Sen. Joe Schiavoni of Youngstown, former U.S. Rep. Betty Sutton of Barberton and former state Rep. Connie Pillich of Montgomery — will talk change and promote their names. They need not spend time and money tearing down the other since they are not generally well known statewide, Pepper said. “It’s going to be obvious who the change is.”

For the Republicans, Secretary of State Jon Husted, Lt. Gov. Mary Taylor and U.S. Rep. Jim Renacci of Wadsworth will have to spend some of their resources attempting to take down DeWine as the front-runner, he said. “It’s ramping up to what could be a nasty primary.”

The Democratic candidates will stage a series of regional forums/debates this fall to better introduce themselves to Ohioans, Pepper said.

“There still could be more (candidates) … I just don’t know, honestly. We have four good candidates so as a party, we are not our there recruiting anyone. But, I wouldn’t be shocked,” he said.

…more at link

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Jay C  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:11:03am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Must be nice when you can bitch about baking a cake gets you all the way to SCOTUS.

Well, the cake itself may be trivial: but just remember: Plessey v. Ferguson was about buying a train ticket: and see how that decision affected things.

Not get too melodramatic, but this is potentially a huge victory for the forces of Hate: and if the SCOTUS rules for the plaintiff, I think it will have the practical effect of knocking the legal props out from under a huge number of anti-discrimination laws, by providing a “religious” exception for - AFAICT - almost any sort of discrimination: not just gay weddings. There is never going to be any shortage of bigots, and simply allowing overt bigotry to rule public commercial transactions simply on the excuse of “my religion says so” is, IMO, a gross step backwards for actual “liberty”.

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BeachDem  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:12:52am

re: #291 ObserverArt

In Ohio political news. We get to watch a guy that has held almost every freaking office in this state running for most likely his last…governor. I thought many voters say they hate established career politicians.

I sure hope Ohio Democrats can get someone young and with some political chops to run against this ass.

Columbus Dispatch - DeWine announces for governor, stresses better schools, fight against opioids

Here is an article from Ohio”s Democratic Party Chairman David Peppers that came out last week already working on a theme about that career politician issue I mentioned.

The Columbus Dispatch - Democrat chairman takes aim at DeWine as ‘status quo’

All I can say about DeWine is UGH. (And there are certainly more compelling arguments against him than “status quo.”)

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:13:43am

re: #292 Jay C

Well, the cake itself may be trivial: but just remember: Plessey v. Ferguson was about buying a train ticket: and see how that decision affected things.

Not get too melodramatic, but this is potentially a huge victory for the forces of Hate: and if the SCOTUS rules for the plaintiff, I think it will have the practical effect of knocking the legal props out from under a huge number of anti-discrimination laws, by providing a “religious” exception for - AFAICT - almost any sort of discrimination: not just gay weddings. There is never going to be any shortage of bigots, and simply allowing overt bigotry to rule public commercial transactions simply on the excuse of “my religion says so” is, IMO, a gross step backwards for actual “liberty”.

Absolutely. I mean, I’m talking about the bakers themselves here not the people suing. I’m sick of bigots going “my religious beliefs” won’t let me do that. You’re not a Christian baker, you’re a baker who happens to be a Christian. There’s a difference.

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lawhawk  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:13:44am

re: #264 Sir John Barron

Trump isn’t parroting some outlier logic here. He’s reciting GOP dogma when it comes to insurance and health insurance specifically. Where Trump is the outlier is his claim that he wont touch Medicare/Medicaid, when he’s already signaled approval to do just that - to gut those programs, which have long been on the GOP chopping block.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:14:16am

John Coryn (R-Asshole) has shut down his phone lines. He still has 5 yrs left of his term so you know where his loyalties lie.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:15:40am

re: #296 Dave In Austin

John Coryn (R-Asshole) has shut down his phone lines. He still has 5 yrs left of his term so you know where his loyalties lie.

Johnson has pretty much done the same thing in Wisconsin.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:16:06am

re: #293 BeachDem

The Columbus Dispatch - Democrat chairman takes aim at DeWine as ‘status quo’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:16:59am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. I mean, I’m talking about the bakers themselves here not the people suing. I’m sick of bigots going “my religious beliefs” won’t let me do that. You’re not a Christian baker, you’re a baker who happens to be a Christian. There’s a difference.

Public accommodation laws are anti-Christian. /s

The argument of “Well, they could just go back to another baker” might work in a large city, but not in small towns or rural areas.

(I dread the thought if folk around here got it in their heads they didn’t have to serve atheists because of religious convictions, I would be driving a hundred miles or more to go grocery shopping.)

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:17:56am

re: #296 Dave In Austin

John Coryn (R-Asshole) has shut down his phone lines. He still has 5 yrs left of his term so you know where his loyalties lie.

Illegal mass phone calls from George Soros paid protesters, etc.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:18:03am

re: #298 Sir John Barron

I was wondering how long it would take before someone caught that.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:19:40am

re: #299 Anymouse 🌹

Public accommodation laws are anti-Christian. /s

The argument of “Well, they could just go back to another baker” might work in a large city, but not in small towns or rural areas.

(I dread the thought if folk around here got it in their heads they didn’t have to serve atheists because of religious convictions, I would be driving a hundred miles or more to go grocery shopping.)

Exactly.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:20:13am

re: #295 lawhawk

Trump isn’t parroting some outlier logic here. He’s reciting GOP dogma when it comes to insurance and health insurance specifically. Where Trump is the outlier is his claim that he wont touch Medicare/Medicaid, when he’s already signaled approval to do just that - to gut those programs, which have long been on the GOP chopping block.

By Trump-logic I was thinking more of [I didn’t collude, but Hillary colluded so if I colluded with Russia OK because Hillary colluded with her own party, etc]. I.e. Trump-logic=no logic. Apples-oranges-peaches comparisons.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:20:50am

re: #120 wheat-dogg

Hitler was in fact photographed several times with the Beetle.

Here’s another photo with him sitting in the back of one.
Image: 99721_f520.jpg

Trump’s version of a people’s car would be a golf cart.

Kochswagen

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:20:52am

re: #303 Sir John Barron

By Trump-logic I was thinking more of [I didn’t collude, but Hillary colluded so if I colluded with Russia OK because Hillary colluded with her own party, etc]. I.e. Trump-logic=no logic. Apples-oranges-peaches comparisons.

Or apples to golf balls comparison.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:21:56am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

Or apples to golf balls comparison.

If I have pistachios and you have matchbox cars then 2 + 2 = 3.87.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:25:23am

re: #261 FormerDirtDart

Seems a good time to remind Sen. Johnson (& Republicans) of the parable inspired by 1 Corinthians: “There but for the grace of God go I”

Trump’s knowledge of the Bible begins and ends with 2 Corinthians…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:25:51am

The US firm that sells the cladding blocks used in the Grenfell Tower fire has suspended sales of the blocks around the world, citing inconsistency in building codes in different jurisdictions.

bbc.com

That inconsistency didn’t seem to be a problem before the place went up like a match.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:28:35am

dw.com

Salvador Dali’s body ordered exhumed in a paternity case.

A court in Madrid on Monday ordered that the remains of surrealist painter Salvador Dali be exhumed over a woman’s claim that she is the daughter of the world-famous artist.

The court said the exhumation aimed “to get samples of his remains to determine whether he is the biological father of a woman from Girona (in northeastern Spain) who filed a claim to be recognised as the daughter of the artist.”

It added, “The DNA study of the painter’s corpse is necessary due to the lack of other biological or personal remains with which to perform the comparative study.”

The court said the decision could be appealed.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:32:55am

USAF recon plane flying off the coast of Syria and Lebanon.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:38:50am

re: #290 KingKenrod

SCOTUS will probably allow the immigration EO, ignoring Trump’s statements to the contrary as as political posturing.

But the point should be moot, right? The travel ban was only 90 or 120 days, temporary while Trump figured out WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON and putting EXTREME VETTING in place. He’s done that, right? Right?

He can’t do that until he gets his ban. Then, when he gets the ban he won’t need to do that because he can extend it via EO every ninety days for the next three and a half years.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:39:25am

re: #311 darthstar

He can’t do that until he gets his ban. Then, when he gets the ban he won’t need to do that because he can extend it via EO every ninety days for the next three and a half years.

Also, he never had any intention of doing the heavy vetting thing. That was just words.

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ObserverArt  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:40:53am

re: #309 Anymouse 🌹

dw.com

Salvador Dali’s body ordered exhumed in a paternity case.

Dali had a pretty crazy start to life, a very colorful life as an artist and eccentric and it looks like it all continues after he is long gone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:41:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:44:26am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

Gay Pride, but no Christian Fries? Why not both?, Contact McD’s if you want, voice your truth, if that’s your heart. FREE SPEECH for ALL!

note the attitude that it is Christian VS Gay Pride…

Nor do these people have any concept of free speech. You want a Christian sandwich and fries, go to Chick-Fil-A (except on Sunday)

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:46:33am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

Christian fries should have holes at each end, they should be left out for three days, and when you bite into them, ketchup should ooze out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:47:21am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:47:59am

re: #316 Belafon

Christian fries should have holes at each end, they should be left out for three days, and when you bite into them, ketchup should ooze out.

Christian fries should have a little heretic attached to each one before being loaded into the fry oil.

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Belafon  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:48:14am

“Real Christian” fries should be a whole potato, and the server at McDonalds should say “Here you go you lazy moocher, make them yourself, it builds character.”

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:52:05am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Poor snowflake.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:55:11am

re: #317 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Such a boob. Can’t wait to see his reaction when they rule against him.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:56:30am

I mean yeah I think the gay fries are a little silly but it’s not violating anyone’s free speech or religious rights.

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Kafitrar  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:56:40am

re: #319 Belafon

“Real Christian” fries should be a whole potato, and the server at McDonalds should say “Here you go you lazy moocher, make them yourself, it builds character.”

Nah, the fries should be boiled in water. Then the server should say, “I was expecting the water to turn into oil.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 9:58:26am

re: #319 Belafon

“Real Christian” fries should be a whole potato, and the server at McDonalds should say “Here you go you lazy moocher, make them yourself, it builds character.”

your order consists of two fries and two mcnuggets, and Jesus should be able to help you feed your whole family on that.

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darthstar  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:01:11am
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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:01:27am

re: #314 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:02:22am

re: #319 Belafon

“Real Christian” fries should be a whole potato, and the server at McDonalds should say “Here you go you lazy moocher, make them yourself, it builds character.”

“We will now measure compassion by how many poor people we help not to eat fries, so the potatoes can be put to work serving our job creators.”

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KerFuFFler  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:04:13am
Within two weeks of taking office, Trump issued an executive order restricting visits from seven Muslim-majority countries ― the six previously listed plus Iraq ― for three months and suspending America’s refugee resettlement program, arguing that federal officials needed to review the vetting process in the interest of national security.

So, what progress has the administration made in “reviewing the vetting process”? The courts blocking the ban did nothing to keep the administration from improving the vetting process. They said they needed 3 months to improve it but now almost 6 months have gone by and they have no ideas for upgrading the vetting process? If they have any, why haven’t they implemented them? Wasn’t that the goal after all?

This point alone shows that the ban served no actual purpose other than allowing Trump to win points from his base for protecting them from scary brown people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:04:15am

Christianity is a religion, Pride is not.

This a dumb Apples and Oranges comparison.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:05:48am

I like how they present Christianity and gay as two totally different things that can never intersect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:05:53am

re: #329 Eclectic Cyborg

Christianity is a religion, Pride is not.

This a dumb Apples and Oranges comparison.

Gay Pride is an Abomination Unto the Lord, True Christianity (TM) is not…

/

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Amory Blaine  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:07:09am

re: #58 Joe Bacon 🌹

Without government oversight that $35 guitar Norquist was bleating about could be finished with lead paint.

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Dr. Matt  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:09:59am
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Stanley Sea  Jun 26, 2017 • 10:20:37am

re: #325 darthstar

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What are you doing in New Jersey?

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jun 26, 2017 • 12:44:59pm

re: #223 Amory Blaine

Yikes, this is a timely (for us) article from Wapo:
The slow, secret death of the electric guitar

In 1962, Decca’s rejection of the Beatles read, in part,
“Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein.”


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